From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 00:43:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA12486; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:43:34 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA12477; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:43:30 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:43:13 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:43:00 -0800 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: in body/out of body Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:31 PM 1/31/96, SDream wrote: >I went back to a mainstream club recently for a friend's birthday. ... >I just smiled and told him I wasn't in the mood, then I'd turn the >conversation to something else. He's not into raves, and he just doesn't >understand that I no longer see the need to stress myself out in the "old" >scene when I can do all the dancing I want in the "new" scene. Damn, if that isn't the truth! I can't stand to be in a club scene anymore either, for the most part. I kinda go there every once in a while just to remind myself why I now do what I do. It really, really, really makes you appreciate our wonderful world of underground parties. -w ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 01:40:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA16314; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:40:32 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA16306; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:40:28 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08478; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:40:23 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9602010140.ZM8476@well> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:40:23 -0800 In-Reply-To: Eric Hill "Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete)" (Jan 31, 11:53pm) References: <199602010753.XAA21486@blob.best.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Eric Hill , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Uh oh. First of all, FMRs were never held "every month of yore" at Candlestick Park. In fact, I can't recall for sure but I don't believe even one was ever held there. The first and last Candlestick gathering I went to -- and it was a doozy -- was Xochipili which got moved from Greyhound Rock down Highway 1 after we dragged all the sound stuff down to the beach and the cops showed up and made us drag it all back up again. Then we went to Candlestick, Moonpup and the *old* Dub Tribe with about seven musicians played, among others, the sprinklers came on in the middle of our "dance floor" in the grass, we had a glorious sunrise over the Bay. That was June 1993. Occasional events were held there afterward, and at one there was a series of altercations with some tough guys who showed up, and a couple people were hurt. And no "ranger got shot," it's a city park. Just wanted to set the record right . . . phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 02:59:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA24505; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:59:16 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA24499; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:59:12 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id CAA24627; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:58:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:58:10 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Anarch cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Rocky Mullin Subject: Re: Perceptual effects (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Anarch, No offense is intended by the following, it is for mouth-corner-raising purposes only... I just couldn't resist! I have taken the liberty of using all the words in "for me/in my opinion" out of context and including pluralizing, where they seemed to "do the most good." :) [The words in brackets are meant to be ignored in this reading.] I was going to post it to the list, but thought I'd run it by you first out of courtesy since I am indulging my bizarre sense of humor here basically at your expense! If you find it funny, go ahead and forward it to the list, otherwise feel free to trash it if that's what it deserves. I had fun writing it, that's the important part. Luv & laughs, <<< Starchild >>> On Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Anarch wrote, IN MY OPINION: > [Note: feel free to insert "for me" and "in my opinion" below wherever you > think it will do the most good.] > > "Rocky Mullin" wrote: > > in the end, it is about what gets [you] ME off. > [...] > > i have seen this not IN MY OPINION, just at raves... > > actually the most intense time i experienced [this] ME was at a hemp > > festival put on FOR ME by the holy hemp sisters in santa cruz - my friend > > was hit by the rush so hard that it knocked him over. without > > question, this happened at dead OPINION shows. sufis, native american > > sundancers, jesus' yoga tricks FOR ME on the cross, 3 hours of masturbation FOR ME. > > whatever man. it's about getting MY OPINION off. > > Right on to that. As for some other [rave] ME alternatives, I'll mention that I > danced myself to a frenzy at Gwar not too long ago (a frenzy being about > the only way you *can* dance to Gwar) and just about lost my [mind] OPINION to Sonic > Youth last summer. But leaving all this ME, and indeed *everything* ME, > behind--beyond MY (G)rave, rock, rap, the Dead, Burning Man, sex, drugs, > bungee-ME jumping naked from collapsing bridges, or whatever other paltry > thrills you may turn to ME FOR for your occasional tot of ecstasy, that little > electric taste of The ME [Edge]--there is [CRASH] ME WORSHIP. You want to talk about > temporary autonomous [zones] OPINIONS? A [Crash] ME Worship show is, without exception or > reservation, the farthest remove from everyday reality, from normality, > from life itself as we know it, I've ever found. A [Crash] ME Worship show is > not a place, not an event--it's an [entity] OPINION, a single seething fusion of > audience and performers that can grow to be invested with an awesome, even > terrifying, elemental [force] ME. I've felt myself dissolved, become a single > swarming [cell] ME [within the greater being], catalyzed by the power and > intensity of [the performance] MY OPINIONS. Really, there are no words FOR ME. It's just WAY > OUT. IN MY OPINION. > > anarch@scruznet.com [aka ME] > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 03:15:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA25887; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 03:15:12 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA25882; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 03:15:09 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id DAA25187; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 03:14:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 03:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Anarch cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Rocky Mullin Subject: Ooops. :( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I screwed that one up big-time, didn't I... sorry Anarch. Little things like overlooking correcting the header on my email before I send it are probably my mind's way of saying it's tired of reading email and I should go to bed. 'Night all... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 04:21:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA01100; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:21:12 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA01094; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:21:09 -0800 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id EAA21508; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:21:07 -0800 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id EAA08442; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:21:06 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Sabin Cloud Macphee Subject: Racoons... To: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hung out with a whole posse of the lil' buggers tonite...they ate a bunch of my sunchips. They are really beautiful, and it was really cute the way they held their chips and made a really generic crunching noise as they ate. Then I realized I wasn't helping them much by giving them sunchips, so I stopped, bid them farewell, and left. I LOVE NATURE! I GIVE HER A HUGE WARM EMBRACE. Love* Sabin! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 05:32:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA04210; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 05:32:27 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA04205; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 05:32:24 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id FAA26973; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 05:32:19 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: ambient@netcom.com Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (313) Planet E Tour-West Coast Date: 31 Jan 1996 12:40:23 GMT Message-Id: <68784095.11247969@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Say, are you from La,-and did you shop at Aron's sometimes and go to Sunday Love? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 06:42:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA08202; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:42:27 -0800 Received: from python.magnet.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA08192; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:42:23 -0800 Received: from g34-211.citenet.net by python.magnet.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15855; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:42:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:42:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9602011442.AA15855@python.magnet.ca> X-Sender: spooky@mail.magnet.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: spooky@python.magnet.ca (renae satterley) Subject: taz Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk While everyone was discussing Taz's and Paz's a couple of weeks ago, i think someone/s mentioned pertinent web sites, relating to the subject. Could someone email me with details, please? Thanks, Renae ` ~~~ spooky@magnet.ca ~~~ aka renae satterley "Nothing is ever the same as they said it was.It's what I've never seen before that I recognize." -Diane Arbus From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 08:55:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA20907; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:55:26 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA20900; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:55:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199602011655.IAA20900@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 08:46:22 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: back in my day... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- allow me to rant and rave for a moment. NO MORE "BACK IN MY DAY"!!!! it drives me crazy to continually have "what the scene was" contrasted to "what the scene is". we are here, and we are now, and each time we have that discussion about older scenes, we cement ourselves within a mindset that is incapable of being here. something i learned from shawna at chrysalis: now is the perfect moment, here is the perfect place. any and all attempts to go to another time and place are 1) futile and 2) unhealthy. that's my .02 for the day, but a .02 that i'm rather concerned about. peace, love, and now- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 09:24:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA23424; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:24:25 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA23419; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:24:21 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29505; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:19:40 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:19:39 -0800 (PST) To: "Matthew D. P. K. Lanier" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: back in my day... In-Reply-To: <199602011655.IAA20900@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Matthew D. P. K. Lanier wrote: > > something i learned from shawna at chrysalis: now is the perfect moment, > here is the perfect place. any and all attempts to go to another time and > place are 1) futile and 2) unhealthy. that's my .02 for the day, but a .02 > that i'm rather concerned about. > Futile, perhaps. But unhealthy? Never. It always helps to look at where you have been in order to help see where you are going. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 10:07:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA27359; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:07:22 -0800 Received: from mail1.fw-sj.sony.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27349; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:07:11 -0800 Received: by mail1.fw-sj.sony.com id AA29016; Thu, 1 Feb 96 10:06:33 -0800 Received: by mail1.bc.in.sel.sony.com id AA23462; Thu, 1 Feb 96 13:06:30 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate.ssi.sony.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA823198022; Thu, 01 Feb 96 10:06:36 PST Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 10:06:36 PST From: "Jacqui Kolarik" Encoding: 30 Text Message-Id: <9601018231.AA823198022@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> To: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch), sfraves@hyperreal.com Cc: sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu Subject: Re[2]: crash worship Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you look in the latest issue of BAM there's a show listed within the next month or so, don't remember the date or the venue. Jacqui _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: crash worship From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) at Internet Date: 1/31/96 7:50 PM Amy R Starkey wrote: >I am really >curious about them now and would love to attend one of their shows. Does >anyone know how often they tour and when the next tour is expected? >How about a web page? Do they have one? There is a web page, as someone noted, but at present there's no info there about shows or tours. That page has only been around a short while, and the "upcoming performances" section has never been filled in at all. They used to play around the bay pretty frequently, every 3-4 months or so, but the last local show I know of was this past May. That was part of a tour that finished midsummer, so hopefully they'll be back playing soon. They can be tough to keep track of...their shows go on with varying degrees of underground-ness, so the level of advertising, promotion, etc can vary a lot as well. Assuming the web page gets updated regularly, it should be a good source of info--it's run by their publisher, Charnel Music. Asking on rec.music.industrial can also get answers. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 10:54:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02423; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:54:18 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02415; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:54:14 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA047690688; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:51:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Reply-To: Amy R Starkey Subject: my way of going off (was: in body/out of body) To: Diane Tabellija Cc: Grigsbeast , sfraves@hyperreal.com, 74230.370@compuserve.com, wshartle@eos.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: <9600318231.AA823133495@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > I'd be curious to hear other people's versions of what makes them go off > and where it takes them. Do others of you feel that you need to get into > your body before going off? And lastly, what music does what to you. > > Luv, > Diane Hard house or high NRG til around midnight then the hardest mind bending trance (be it acid, psychedelic, goa or whatever, it's all good!) til about 4:30. Then slowing it down a bit to some groovier tunes, then late morning more happy house - the reach out and love your brothers n' sisters type of stuff. Then I like to go home and chill to ambient til I go to sleep. That would be my perfect sequence to going off. love to all, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 10:55:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02551; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:55:45 -0800 Received: from oregon.uoregon.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02543; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:55:39 -0800 Received: from OREGON.UOREGON.EDU by OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #13764) id <01I0P31B7BKI96Y39B@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>; Thu, 01 Feb 1996 10:55:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 10:55:02 -0800 (PST) From: drenalin Subject: Re: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) In-reply-to: <9602010140.ZM8476@well> To: Fred Heutte Cc: Eric Hill , sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Regarding Full Moons there. The Full Moon in June '93 at the Water Temple was moved to Candlestick after it got busted. Just a historic note. =) love scott From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 10:58:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA02787; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:58:44 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02781; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:58:39 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA058090937; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:55:37 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Late Reviews.. To: CozmicSky@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960201024256_211487111@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > It doesn't seem to be that to many people are into wearing their > laminates, so maybe someone should think of something else. Any suggestions? > I think some people think laminates are corny and that is why you don't see > them out much. > > Pam I've been being forgetful as of late, but I don't think they are corny at all. They are rather cool looking! I don't care if some people think it is corny - with some of the get-ups I've seen people in, I think laminates are rather tame. So all of you out there with them -you really should wear them! Just cause you know alot of sfravers already doesn't mean there are other newer people who want to meet you! I'll still wear mine even if I'm the only sfraver left who does wear one because I always want to meet new people on sfraves. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 11:08:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA03604; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:08:00 -0800 Received: from inet-smtp-gw-1.us.oracle.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03599; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:07:56 -0800 Received: from mailsun2.us.oracle.com by inet-smtp-gw-1.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/37.7) id LAA20911; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:07:56 -0800 Received: by mailsun2.us.oracle.com (8.7.1/37.8) id LAA08851; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:09:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602011909.LAA08851@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Date: 01 Feb 96 10:50:20 -0800 From: "Aaron_Edsinger" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fwd: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Boundary-3080588-0-0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --Boundary-3080588-0-0 Acutally, I remember the June 3rd/4th FMR of 93 (It was my 21st b-day!), which was held at the Water Temple.....fantastic as usual, and then 30+ cops in riot gear showed up and everyone kept dancing, including some making 30 foot shadow dancers in the headlights of the cop cars, until they finally sent everyone home....so it was moved to Candlestick. I didn't make it, instead opting for the free breakfast at Denny's and a CS final. ---------------->aaron --Boundary-3080588-0-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Date: 01 Feb 96 01:40:23 From:"Fred Heutte" To: Eric,Hill,ehill@best.com,sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To: Eric Hill X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To: "Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete)" (Jan 31, 11:53pm) X-Orcl-Application: References: <199602010753.XAA21486@blob.best.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) X-Orcl-Application: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcl-Application: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Orcl-Application: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Orcl-Application: Precedence: bulk Uh oh. First of all, FMRs were never held "every month of yore" at Candlestick Park. In fact, I can't recall for sure but I don't believe even one was ever held there. The first and last Candlestick gathering I went to -- and it was a doozy -- was Xochipili which got moved from Greyhound Rock down Highway 1 after we dragged all the sound stuff down to the beach and the cops showed up and made us drag it all back up again. Then we went to Candlestick, Moonpup and the *old* Dub Tribe with about seven musicians played, among others, the sprinklers came on in the middle of our "dance floor" in the grass, we had a glorious sunrise over the Bay. That was June 1993. Occasional events were held there afterward, and at one there was a series of altercations with some tough guys who showed up, and a couple people were hurt. And no "ranger got shot," it's a city park. Just wanted to set the record right . . . phred --Boundary-3080588-0-0-- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 12:42:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA13810; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:42:40 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13804; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:42:37 -0800 Received: from default (ppp425.liberty.com [206.17.67.89]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10542; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:42:11 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960201204229.00a06a58@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 12:42:29 -0800 To: James From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Methamphedamine = Powdered Schizophrenia..... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Methamphedamine = Powdered Schizophrenia, just add one human. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 14:05:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18810; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:05:09 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18805; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:05:04 -0800 Received: from default (ppp426.liberty.com [206.17.67.90]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA18582 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:04:50 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960201220511.006c82bc@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 14:05:11 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: RavEs, # & Sex; RE: in body/out of body Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Regarding raves, #, & sex; for (ME) raves are very erotic. To say we are all of sudden not sexual beings at an event like a rave is poppy cock(no pun intended). Humans as a species, are definately sexual beings; ask any man who's around 17 - 21 years of age, or any womyn who's 33 - 38 years of age. We as species are suppose to, and have very little control over LIFE's energy/force. When I speak of LIFE's energy/force, I'm speaking about that spark, or that essences/feeling that pushes us to join with another being(no implied gay negatives) allowing the species to hopefully continue. That LIFE energy/force which, for awhile defies chaos. Sure we decide not to be sexual/erotic, but this requires a decision at some level, for the feelings are there. We just CHOSE not to act on them. I as a professional male licensed massage therapist performing massage on someone I'm attracted to, requires this decision a lot. Sure I feel that sexual energy when I working on someone I find attractive, I'm a man, and at the present state of evolution of the male of the human species, I find that I'm hopelessly wired that way. For massage is healing, but it's also very erotic at most levels for the giver & the receiver. But it would be wrong/unethical for me to engage in sexual relations with a client. For the very simple reason that when someone comes to me for a massage, there coming to so I can facilitate THEIR bodies natural healing ability, not so I can excersise MY sexual agenda. I become the taker then, when I'm suppose to be the giver. For me it's no different than a doctor doing it do his patients. I also understand when some people partake in every ravers favorite pastime, that they can go either way sexually. Some men can't come, and some womyn just don't enjoy it, or want to be touched that way. While other men like myself become the energizer bunny, and other womyn are just plain unsatisfiable, purrrrrrrrrrr. I understand sex on #, isn't real, it's just not that intense most of the time. But the experience sure is fun!!!! = >, + >. I would highly recommend it for older married folks so that it scould help them rekindle their sex life, and possibly even their marriage. It helped me recently end my fear of sex & sexual relations steming from years of sexual trauma experienced as a child. Finally freeing my sexual being trapped for almost 33 years. So that's my 2 cents anyway, but I would be interested in hearing back from people with regard to whether they enjoy sex more when on, or when not, or if they like both equally as much. I want this info for PURELY private satistical data, for my sense is that more people either can't do it, or don't like it, than can & do. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 14:11:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA19123; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:11:42 -0800 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA19118; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:11:38 -0800 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM (pinbot.nit.airtouch.com) by Zool.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-Zool:MLC:950320-01) id AA10242; Thu, 1 Feb 96 14:11:30 PST Received: from eon.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA17478; Thu, 1 Feb 96 14:10:48 PST From: eric@nit.AirTouch.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9602012210.AA17478@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: in body/out of body To: wayne@club.net (Wayne D. Correia) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:10:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: SDream@tgrigsby.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Wayne D. Correia" at Feb 1, 96 00:43:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1276 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wayne D. Correia writes... > > At 5:31 PM 1/31/96, SDream wrote: > >I went back to a mainstream club recently for a friend's birthday. > ... > >I just smiled and told him I wasn't in the mood, then I'd turn the > >conversation to something else. He's not into raves, and he just doesn't > >understand that I no longer see the need to stress myself out in the "old" > >scene when I can do all the dancing I want in the "new" scene. > > Damn, if that isn't the truth! I can't stand to be in a club scene anymore > either, for the most part. I kinda go there every once in a while just to > remind myself why I now do what I do. It really, really, really makes you > appreciate our wonderful world of underground parties. i guess it all depends what club you are talking about.. at meatmarket type clubs you definitely do stand out as a guy dancing by yourself. but if you go to a place like 1015 Folsom (main floor or basement), Sound Factory, DV8 (to some degree) people are more into dancing than anything else and generally pay you no mind. i do agree though, a proper "rave" is definitely the best atmosphere. -- Eric Pederson AirTouch Communications eric.pederson@airtouch.com 510-279-6185 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 15:27:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25275; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:27:45 -0800 Received: from python.magnet.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA25270; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:27:42 -0800 Received: from g34-214.citenet.net by python.magnet.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12184; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:27:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:27:54 -0500 Message-Id: <9602012327.AA12184@python.magnet.ca> X-Sender: spooky@mail.magnet.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: spooky@python.magnet.ca (renae satterley) Subject: re: back in my day... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just to add my 2 cents to this topic: Today i saw a wonderful sign: decouvrez la vitalite d'ici It translates as: Discover the vitality of/from here In a city (Montreal) that is slowly sinking into an economic depression (if it hasn't already completely), this is a very interesting sign to have displayed. Now you are wondering what in the world this has to do with sfraves right? Well, it's just a lovely thing to think about that we don't necessarily do: Discover (not just enjoy) the Vitality of the here and now. I'm not dissing anything that happened in the past, whether it be in or out of the rave scene. I'm just saying that there is a wealth of stuff to discover in the present moment. A wealth that is usually only scratched at by the majority, imho. Renae ~~~ spooky@magnet.ca ~~~ aka renae satterley "Nothing is ever the same as they said it was.It's what I've never seen before that I recognize." -Diane Arbus From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 15:32:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25514; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:32:09 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25509; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:32:06 -0800 Received: from sfasc178.slip.net (sfasc178.slip.net [206.14.14.178]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29786 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:31:49 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:31:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199602012331.PAA29786@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: PACKA-BOWL *TONIGHT*!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a FRIENDLY Reminder to.... PACKA-BOWL TONIGHT!!! Park Bowl 1855 Haight @ Stanyan >>18+ Admittance>><<21+ Ambient Bar>> Pool,Bowl,Get Down...$6. 8:30pm-2:00am From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 15:36:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25766; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:36:37 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25751; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:36:30 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA12983; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:31:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:31:50 -0800 (PST) To: renae satterley cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re: back in my day... In-Reply-To: <9602012327.AA12184@python.magnet.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, renae satterley wrote: > Now you are wondering what in the world this has to do with sfraves right? > Well, it's just a lovely thing to think about that we don't necessarily do: > Discover (not just enjoy) the Vitality of the here and now. I'm not dissing > anything that happened in the past, whether it be in or out of the rave > scene. I'm just saying that there is a wealth of stuff to discover in the > present moment. A wealth that is usually only scratched at by the majority, > imho. > Renae > Equally amazing is discovering that something new-found is merely something "old" rediscovered. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 15:50:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA26301; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:50:07 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26293; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:50:03 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.207] (u2w38.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.207]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA23301; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:49:58 -0800 X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:50:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Subject: Re: law and order. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> Everyone has a little bit (or a lottle bit, depending :) of "bad" in >> them... anarchy and greed are natural tendencies, IMO. > >Actually, you just pushed one of my buttons, by referring to anarchy as >something intrinsically evil and bad, just like the 10 o'clock news or >any random newspaper always do. OK, you're right, I used the wrong word... well actually I don't think I used the wrong word, but we seem to have differing opinions about the nature of anarchy. When I think of "anarchy," I don't think about a situation which merely doesn't have government or forced coersion, I think of disorder. And I hapen to believe that disorder is not a *good* (whatta subjective term!) goal to strive for. You seem to equate anarchy with, say, the situation of native americans before European intervention, and in that case anarchy is a good thing. Local self rule without coersion from a distance is the ideal form of government (yes, I think it is a form of government and I don't believe that government is by nature bad), but unforunately it's been tried (In spain after WW2... Barcelona I believe had a small anarchistic government for a while, but don't quote me on this or anything :) and while the results were good for a while, the small communities just didn't have the necessary clout to hold their own... In other words the only way to maintain an effective and long-lasting anarchistic government is if the entire world decides upon it simutaneously and completely... and that just won't happen because of the way we're used to living. Oppresive governments developed mainly in agricultural societies like the Middle East etc... the only effective anarchistic governments that I know of in history were used by nomads who followed their food around (i.e. Inuits, native americans, etc.). I think that's why I'm wary of people who think that you can be peaceful and anarchistic _and_ vegetarian at the same, becase it seems that large oppresive totalitarian states developed almost concurrently with farming and the large-scale agriculture that's necessary to feed a big population. Nomads did not have the same problems, because they had no deeply-ingrained concept of personal property that needed to be defended (because their home kept moving around, so they could only keep whatever they were carrying at the time). Whoa... I'm off on another tangent... back to the response... >Ask any native North or South American, or Ainu, or Irian Jayan, or >Tainos (all dead -- oh, well), or Tibetans, or any other tribal people >about how well big governments treat you. Or for government >vs. government, W.W. I and II, Korean War, Vietnam, Gulf War, Nazi >Germany, or Mexico (natives in the Yucatan), or Cambodians, or >Serbians, or the entire Middle East, ... the list goes on. These are >_governments_ killing people. "Civilized" nations, dig? And there >are hundreds more wars going on right now, I'm just working off the >top of my head. I do dig, but I'll give another example to show that survival in this modern world necesitates a strong government: East Timor. A small island country, that, after it was granted autonomy by Portugal (in the 70's), decided it was going to have a representative socialist government. Well, they got together all twelve ethnic groups on the island, and set up one of the most effectively democratic governments in the world at the time. It lasted four days... neighboring Indonesia (whose government was based on oppression of its minorities) saw this little socialist country as a "threat" and with the help of the US (I think george Bush helped draw up the invasion plans) they invaded and threw the country it into a chaos that still exists today. East Timor did its damndest to live in a civilized and "fair" way, and they did a good job of it, but you can't be isolated in a world as interconnected as ours. So, I think unfortunately government is necessary mainly due to overcrowding and competition for limited resources. I wish it wasn't but it just is. (I had a _really good_ high school history teacher... thanks mr. McCrystle!) >So I'm nice for selfish reasons. Sorry if that ruins it for anyone, >but I like to think that it's more genuine that way, since I'm basing >my attitude on sound judgement rather than faith in some religion or >principles. Faith comes and goes, but reason will always be there for >you if you need it. True enough... I'm nice for selfish reasons too, but I still think that being chritable and good is a denial of our animal instincts to conquer and dominate. >Someone tackle me! I'm being way too talkative today. That's OK I like talking... Open Dialogue keeps it poppin' -mikey. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 16:24:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28020; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:24:35 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA28015; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:24:32 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.207] (u2w38.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.207]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA02983 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:24:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:24:30 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Subject: A fresh alternative (was:Late Reviews..) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> It doesn't seem to be that to many people are into wearing their >> laminates, so maybe someone should think of something else. Any suggestions? How about SFRaves jumpsuits? they could be olive drab (to set us off from other, more "colorful" ravers and to provide for easy recognition) and big n'roomy to provide proper ventilation. Perhaps they'd be made of some kind of mesh material to facilitae airflow, and a giant "SFRAVES" embroidered on the front, back, and each arm and leg, so no one confuses an SFRaves jumpsuit with anyone else's... i.e. AlbanyRaves, ElCerritoRaves, TracyRaves, LodiRaves or StocktonRaves. -Although I think ElCerrotoRaves adopted the forehead tattoo plan, which allows for easy identification even in non-rave situation. Also, now that I think of it, LodiRaves and StocktonRaves have both changed their jumpsuit colors to Navy Blue and Grey respectively, because they were having some problems with unsolicited hugs from other municipalities due to similar jumpsuit color. p.s. I want my laminate!!! And I want it soon... Wayne, you're the one who makes laminates right? Will YOU be at mad on monday? -mikey. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 16:25:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28075; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:25:12 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA28069; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:25:10 -0800 Received: from sf-pm1-5.slip.net (sf-pm1-5.slip.net [204.162.173.37]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA11631 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:24:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:24:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199602020024.QAA11631@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: FREQUENCY 8 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FREQUENCY 8 Cyber-Trance Revelation Friday March 1,1996 D.J.'s MARS MYSTR-E ETHAN SOLAR Ambient room provided by Xogenix/Spirit Only 300 tickets available for this event. Tickets will be available at F-8(the record store), located at 1816 Haight St. $10 Store #(415)221-4142 Event line #(415)541-5019 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 16:31:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28234; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:31:54 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA28227; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:31:48 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA08689; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:31:43 -0800 Received: (from sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA29339; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:25:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy McIntyre Subject: good government (non-rave, most might say) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: ravers@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, just wondering if there was room for one more post on today's government/anarchy discussion. The following should have all of its sentences prefaced by "In my humble little possibly wrong opinion", but for the sake of length, it does not. Okay: I've been sifting through the day's posts, many of which seem have a strongly pessimistic position in regards to the general direction towards which human society is heading. Someone proposed anarchy as a possible "solution," which I found insulting. Is the suggestion here that humans should run away from the complexities of government, throw our hands in the air, and give up? Remove all laws? Government is often viewed by Americans as interfering, disruptive, and an annoyance. I would suggest the precise opposite: government is one of the most natural things on the planet. So are laws and rules. Human beings are the most social species on the planet: we have language, highly evolved emotions, and an overriding desire for human contact (for instance, the existence of sfraves). The only mammal that will die during the second stage of infancy without assistance from the rest of its species is the human baby: the lesson there is a huge one--people truly need each other. And if we need each other, that means that countless interactions between people will occur. If interactions occur between different people with different opinions, then there's going to be a need for a certain amount of lubrication to make sure that these meetings run smoothly. Rules will appear (for example, I put 'NON-RAVE' on this post, so that someone who is bored by this kind of debate won't waste time reading this) as humans try and make their lives run more smoothly, and rather than vote on every single possible issue, which would consume a tremendous amount of every citizen's time, the ancient Greeks came up with the idea of representation, where we elect others to wrestle with the fine print and technicalities. This is the system of government we have today. If you hate the job that Bill CLinton is doing, fine. You can vote for someone else. Upset that there isn't another satisfactory choice, and it seems like you're being forced to choose between the same-old Republican/Democrat system, then vote for an obscure third-party to make a statement. Or write in your own name, or anything, but vote, even if only for the right to disagree with whoever ends up winning any election. If you don't vote, then how will you ever be able to justify expressing a dissenting opinion? Someone could say, well, didja vote? And if you didn't, then there won't be any moral ground to stand upon. The word 'idiot' comes from the Greek word meaning 'non-voter'. Government is far from perfect, needs a lot of work, and could certainly use a bunch of fresh faces. But we live in a society where the majority rules, and, strangely, the voice of the people becomes clearest when all voices cry out together: the results of an election are most indicative of a society's wishes when everybody votes. And for the sake of preventing descent into anarchy, the people must accept the fact that other voices have to be heard, and must accept the voice of the majority and allow it to become law, with the knowledge from all sides that this law can be changed in the future if need be. Ultimately, then, judgment has to be suspended, and what better place is there to learn how to lay down one's judgment than at a rave? see you all out there, Timothy _______________________________________ sidewalk@uclink2 UC Berkeley "more hard trance, please" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 16:38:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28576; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:38:01 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA28568; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:37:58 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id QAA29289; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:37:52 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id QAA01845; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:37:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:37:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: back in my day... To: "Matthew D. P. K. Lanier" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199602011655.IAA20900@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Word!! While it is necessary to reflect and re-evaluate once every so often, the tired complaint of how it was is not what it is, is simply weak. Unless that energy is used to create a similar feeling, bitching only makes things worse. So people get real, do whatcha like, and be here now....Its all about love, kids! Peace*JamieOn Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Matthew D. P. K. Lanier wrote: > hello all- allow me to rant and rave for a moment. NO MORE "BACK IN MY > DAY"!!!! it drives me crazy to continually have "what the scene was" > contrasted to "what the scene is". we are here, and we are now, and each > time we have that discussion about older scenes, we cement ourselves within > a mindset that is incapable of being here. > > something i learned from shawna at chrysalis: now is the perfect moment, > here is the perfect place. any and all attempts to go to another time and > place are 1) futile and 2) unhealthy. that's my .02 for the day, but a .02 > that i'm rather concerned about. > > peace, love, and now- > > matt l. > > > matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, > lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. > cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, > home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." > / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace > / ++++ \ > "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, > window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. > unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, > saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart > reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, > the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back > the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, > the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. > for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, > and wondered, ++++ with all your heart > would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." > > -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 16:43:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29042; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:43:25 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29026; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:43:19 -0800 From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199602020043.QAA29026@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:43:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 16110 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Big shows this weekend - Area 51 seems to do large parties well, while Wicked hosts Tony Humphries that same night. Plus there's a party for trance fans - I didn't get any more info than what's below, but try F8 for details. Interesting new stuff in the weeklies - Pack-a-Bowl on Thursdays, Solid State on Fridays, and Energi on Wednesdays; the return of Mushroom Jazz this week, and check out MAD's lineup this week :)... -Derek THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrcal.html _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Friday, February 2nd - In Touch presents All in the Family w/DJs Barry Weaver, Jeno, Donald Glaude, Tony, Karizma, Crust & guests. $10. 415.267.3916 510.433.7216 Saturday, February 3rd - _Area 51 Abduction_ Carlos, Simon, Tony, Dutch, Tracy, Andrew, Allen, Mark & guests. Astral Matrix performing live. Ameba's Alien Ambient Chill Lab. Chris Autumn's Sonic Experiment. Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium. $25 admission, aliens $20. 415.615.8559 510.874.4733 408.327.9277 707.792.9993 916.554.7177 Saturday, February 3rd - _Wicked _ Jeno, Garth, Thomas, Markie and _Tony Humphries_ $15, 174 King St. 21+. 415.512.5713 Saturday, February 3rd - psychedelic trance party Room 1, psychedelic Goa trance w/DJs Jay dee (Germany - Gaia records), Happy Alien Life Force (F-8 records & Cieba), Surge (Housewares), Live acts possibly Kode 4 and Cieba. Room 2, Wibbly wobbly world of techno with the S.P.A.Z sound system and members of Spiral Tribe U.K Djing and playing live, Jack Acid. Room 3, Ambient drumming and fun. Invites available for a $5 dollar donation at F-8 later this week. More info to follow. Friday, February 9th - Nomad Interactive presents XNTRK Jeno, Markie, Donald Glaude, Simon, Mathew, BioJeff. 415-675-5605, 415-541-5646, 408-236-3398, 916-484-4213 Friday, February 9th - Space Children presents _Heads_ with Graeme, Cesar, Das, Abstract, Surge, and Radley. $5. (415)273-1622, (916) 554-7177, (408)327-9277. Saturday, February 10th - Vision: The sudden insight into the nature of things... Tony, Josh, Ethan, Spun, Markie, Trent, and Detroit's Blake Baxter. 415.905.9629 415.522.3994 Wednesday, February 14th - Dolphin & Friends 1-year anniversary Valentine's Celebration DJs Taj, Frank Nitty, Erika, Gouracandra. Live Keyboard mixing by Sen-Sei. $10/$7 w/can for SF AIDS Foundation. 10pm-6am. 415.303.5336 Friday, February 16th - _Brought to you By The People_ The return of the Supreme Love Gods live in concert with The Chunk (featuring former members of Psychefunkapus). Plus special guest dj's: Spun, Graeme, Tracy. 111 Minna St. 415.437.4462 Saturday, February 17th - _Organic _Third Year Anniversary tony, dj dan, graeme, terence toy (la) and dj sneak (chicago). 415.266.8215 415.266.9215 Saturday, February 17th - _Teknotika_ drc, jon santos, dial8, dj abstract & special surprise guest from the Detroit underground. 415.267.4890 Friday, February 23rd....One Nation Underground and West Coast of Mind presents _Second Chakra_ Djs Quest(Seattle), Spun, Tony, Travis, Garth and Tracy. 9pm-5am - $12 before 10pm, $15 after, 18+. Partial proceeds to Greenpeace. 510.895.3550 415.337.4928 408.749.6724 916.535.7652 Friday, February 23rd - Adonis and Giggles presents Devotion DJ Dan, Jeno, Garth, Carlos, Tracy, Utopia and Adonis 415.435.7570 Saturday, February 24th - GrooveKid Productions presents Techno Temple with djs Carlos (from Universe/UK) - Mach One spinnin on four with Graeme, Tony, Blesed, Miah, Max Factor, Spinner, Ivo; In Temple II, Alice Turner, Sausee, Dreamer and Pat Allen on four, Carlos, Binnie, Foster, Matty. In SF. L.S.D. visuals. 415-605-1915 408-488-1350 510-980-8861 Thursday, February 29th - _LEEEP_ Carlos, Dutch, BLeSeD, & guests. details to follow... Friday, March 1st - _Space Children: _Prometheus Unbound__ Guest DJs include techno-gods _Stacey Pullen and Derrick May_ from Detroit, as well as Gary O from Texas! (more information available later...) (415)273-1622, (916) 554-7177, (408) 327-9277. _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... T h u r s d a y Lift - David Harness, Aaron O, Jay-J, Black & guests - $5, 21+, 12mid-5:30am, 55 Natoma, SF - 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - 21+, $5. San Jose, call for location. 408.235.1556 uppercut - presented by btpo - djs george, aural b, tom thump, roman, cool chris, ck smart - 1151 Folsom Inferno - Grey, Darrell, Cisco, Dave - Graziano's Restaurant, 134 Pet blvd, Petaluma, CA. 707.762.4404. 21+, $2. Azul - Deep House & Soul w/Alfie & James. Casanova, 527 Valencia. Free! Swing Mode - Abstract Jazzy Grooves w/Mark Farina, Corbin, Everett & special guests. Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin. 10pm-4am. 415.773.8841 The Top - resident house player Preston - 424 Haight. $2, 8pm-2am. Full House - blinding beats and lovely skills w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen & Andrew Rawnsley, guests & live musicians. 21+. Miss Pearl's Jam House, 10pm-2am. $3. [2/1 - David Alvarado] [2/8 - cory black (vanilla fudge)] [2/15 - Mark farina] [2/22 - full house boys--finn, andrew rawnsley, matt (xlr8r)] [2/29 - john howard] Packa-Bowl - presented by Frequency-8 and Ameba. DJs Mars, Tracy & guests. Ambient Chill Bar. Park Bowl, 1855 Haight st.@ Stanyan. 8:30pm-2am. 18+, $6. FO MO INFO. *F-8* 415.221.4142, *AMEBA* 415.750.9368 F r i d a y Sound Factory DJs Pete Avila, David Harness & guests. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF - 9:30pm-7am, 21+ 415.543.1300 [2/2 - third anniversary party] Mecca - Jeno, Markie, Taj & guests. 1015 Folsom, 21+, $10 - 415.431.1200 Soul'd Out - house w/Julius Papp, Rick Preston on 4 turntables @ Oasis/San Jose. Nocturnal Transmission - DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John & guests. 55 Natoma St. $5 before midnight/$10 after. 11pm-5am. 415.957.1730 Go Fast - Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come too). 10pm-? 8th & Minna. The Top - robbie hardkiss & friends. 424 Haight, 9pm-2am, free! Liquid Fridays - house music w/various DJs. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento 10pm - 2am, 18+, FREE. 916.484.4285 Solid State - DJs Garth and guests playing the best in classic disco, funk, soul and rare groove. Free b4 11, $8 after, 21+. the End Up, 6th & Harrison, SF. S a t u r d a y Other Whirled - DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera & guests. saturday morning, 6am. 201 9th @ Howard. Club Universe - David Harness, Page Hodel, Aaron O & Pete Avila - 177 Townsend, SF - 9:30-7am, 21+, 415.985.5241 Sound Factory - big club sounds - 525 Harrison @ 1st. 9:30pm-4am. 21+ 415.543.1300 Release - Acid Jazz/Funk/70's/Reggae - Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr.Sulu, Randy Wong. 1015 Folsom. 415.337.7457 55 - Djs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez and guests with the Houseworks. Euro, House and late night grooves with Behrouz, Suiki, Danny and guests. 21+, 55 Natoma St. 415.267.1858 Vanilla Fudge - deep house and other fine hippie crap. Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights at 55 belden alley. 10pm-2am. 415.764.2903 (one of several DJ events Cafe Bastille hosts every Saturday) Vertigo - psychodiscotechnofunk w/Nikki Rivera, Ellen Ferrato, Steven Sque & Lewis. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research - live and pre-recorded ambient soundscapes, 7pm-11pm @ RAW Living Foods, 1224 9th @ Lincoln (across from Le Video). 415.789.8308 Liquid Vinyl - afterhours w/Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard & guests. $5 w/pass, $8 w/o. 2am-6am. 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 'Nuff Respect - Jungle Choons w/DJ StarEyes & DJ Thad. free; 5pm-9pm @ Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR Jungle at the Top w/DJs Shobhan, UFO, Noel & guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight St. 415.995.4699 Metro Jazz - Resident DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom Thump & Franky, plus guests. 111 Minna St, $7, 21+, 10pm til terminus. S u n d a y Bulletproof boat party - $25 includes afterparty and buffet, 6-10pm Ferry Building (one Sunday of each month) Tickets and info at Bulletproof 629 Haight (255.7168) Spundae + Teknotika - resident DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel plus weekly guests - 10pm-5:30am, 21+, free b4 10:30, $5 after. 55 Natoma. 415.974.9389 spundae@sirius.com [2/18 - 3-year anniversary] 'sup - DJ Mei-Lwun & Guests @ the Blue Lagoon, 923 Pacific, Santa Cruz 10pm-2am 408.684.3434 $1-$2, 21+. Sunday Love - with DJs Blesed & Darius & weekly guests. $6, 15698 E.14th, San Leandro (across from Bay Fair Mall). 10pm-3am. Leopard Lounge - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina & special guests. 2125 Lombard St @ Fillmore. 415.771.2583 jaba-jaba - 10am-5pm @ 76 Minna St (the Oddball Lounge) - 1.800.458.6916 Pleasuredome - DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B. 8pm-6am. 177 Townsend. 415.985.5256 Quench - resident Djs Rick Preston & Ryan Tapia + guests. Ambient-Space explorations by DJ Leath and guests in the front room. At The Usual - 21+, 400 South First St. San Jose. 408.535.0330. [1/28 - Rick / Ryan / Tamotsu] M o n d a y Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz w/Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius Papp & guests. $5, 9pm-3am. 330 Ritch St. 415-905-8811 Noc Noc - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJ Mohsen, 557 Haight St. 21+. (every other Monday) MAD - Ethan, Alex, Jon Santos & Joe Rice & guests w/techno, trance & electro. at Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin. 10pm, 18+, $1 before 11, $3 after. [1/29 - Ethan, Graeme, Joe Rice] [2/5 - Alex, Carl Craig (!), Joe Rice] [2/12 - Jon Santos, Tony, Ethan] [2/19 - Alex, Astral Matrix, Ethan] T u e s d a y Butterfly - Casanova, 527 Valencia, 21+, $2, 10pm-2am. DJs Charlotte (the Baroness), Dani & guests Groove Room - Upstairs at Old Town, 50 University Ave., Los Gatos DJs Cooley Mark Alonzo 408.395.8600 Breathe Deep - Househeads Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel + weekly guests. 1015 Folsom in the Gold Room. 10pm-4am. 21+, $5; free before 11:30 w/flyer. 415.998.9515 Begin.... - house, trip-hop, & trance. Rotating DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley, Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, and Anna. at The Inn of the Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati. 9pm-2am. All ages w/ microbrews for 21+. 707-524-4443. the Magic Circle - Tony Fader & DJ Sifu droppin' Space Funk. 9pm-1am, Your Mama's Cafe, 5329 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR the Five-O - drum'n'bass club. DJs Jonah Sharp and a man like malcolm with mc's rasta cue tip and green. at philip's french quarter, 9th & Howard. $5, $3 before 11pm, 21+. Mos Eisley Spaceport - cybertrance & techno w/Mars, Solar, John Howard, Mystr-E & guests. 10pm-2am, club Boomerang, 1840 Haight @ Stanyan. 21+, $3. 415.387.2996 Kinetic - dj Phil Salter and guests. 2325 clayton road, concord. 21+. free before 10pm, $5 after. 510-946-5005 Pure Space - DJ Spun & friends. Gregs' Bar, San Jose. 9p-2a. W e d n e s d a y Simply Done - Deep House residents: John Howard, Mark Farina, Loren + guests. $5; free b4 11. 10pm-late, 21+, 538 Howard [1/31 - Buck] Come/Unity - Simon, Jeno, Garth - usually first Weds each month - 415.241.8815. Afterparty at 201 Howard. Jive Samba - DJ's Roman & Chris Playing Latin Licks, Rock Steady Hits, and Jazz Picks. Live music with Josh Jones and Guests the Up&Down Club 1151 Folsom Boost - old school uplifting house - DJ Jamie J & Hector the ejector. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. free before midnight w/invite. 415.703.7105 Roots - Garth, Jeno & guests in the basement of 1015 Folsom and The Black Diamond - Felix the Dogge, Thomas + guests - in the lounge. 10-4. 415.512.5713 415.675.5660 cosmic lounge - space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle. DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth + special guests. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th. 10pm-2am. No cover. Reunion - Danny, Naz Cafe & guests. 21+, 9pm-, free. The Fulton Bar, 1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332 Europa - ambient + experimental industrial. DJs from House of Usher & Winter Gone By. $5, 21+, 9pm-3am. 540 Howard St - rear entrance, SF. 415.789.7359 Energi - jungle w/residents DJ Flux and Abstract, plus guests. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market. $3, 21+. [1/31 - DJ Thad & Stareyes] _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338 * The Groove Line - (415) 321.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" w/DJ Seth. Ambient, experimental, ethereal, acid-trance-techno, industrial and trip-hop on KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Ambient, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, Acid Jazz and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night midnight - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 47 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@netcom.com * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Saturday morning - "The Uncle Noah TV Show" 6-9am, KDVS 90.3, Davis. * Saturday afternoon - "Bustop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night - "Saturday Night Spin Out" w/Ronnie Libido. Trip hop, Jungle, Ambient, Experimental Sounds. 10pm-2am. KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com - 415.506.6195 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 16:59:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA00503; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:59:56 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA00495; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:59:53 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id QAA28139; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:59:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:59:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199602020059.QAA28139@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: FREQUENCY 8 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk When do tickets go on sale? Rick > FREQUENCY 8 > Cyber-Trance Revelation > > Friday March 1,1996 > > D.J.'s > MARS MYSTR-E > > ETHAN SOLAR > > Ambient room provided by Xogenix/Spirit > > Only 300 tickets available for this event. Tickets will be available at >F-8(the record store), located at 1816 Haight St. > $10 > > Store #(415)221-4142 Event line #(415)541-5019 > > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 17:57:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA05170; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:57:50 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA05163; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:57:43 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA24195; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:53:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:53:15 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Just wanted to know>>> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello my wonderful little rave buddies; I was just checking over the weeklies from the new calendar and didn't see any mention of DJs Pollywog or Erika. Can anyone tell me if either of these lovely ladies spin at weeklies and where?? Any info. would be much appreciated;). Thanks a lot;') Sending hugs galoreeee- Reagan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 18:13:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA06534; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:13:58 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA06519; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:13:49 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA21756 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:13:46 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:13:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199602020213.SAA21756@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Pictures of MDMA X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My apologies, I know certain topics are considered semi-taboo on this forum, but I have a friend that's doing research for a paper on controlled psychoactive drugs for one of her nursing courses. I mentioned to her that I had seen, somewhere, a web page with pictures of different forms of MDMA (e) with street names and descriptions of dosages. Now that I've opened my mouth, I can't seem to find that page. It was something I'd happened across a couple of months ago. If anyone knows the web address for this page, please let me know. Again, this is for research purposes only, and I apologize for opening up this non-rave topic, but I'm in a bit of a bind. Thanks in advance, S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 18:39:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08302; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:39:28 -0800 Received: from yvr.cyberstore.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA08193; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:39:18 -0800 Received: from lancet.cyberstore.ca (ylw-ppp-3.cyberstore.ca [204.244.6.3]) by yvr.cyberstore.ca (8.7.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20191 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:38:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960202023839.006786f8@cyberstore.ca> X-Sender: ylwm0232@cyberstore.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 18:38:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Harvey Susser Subject: Can anyone enligten me? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have heard rumours that Jon Howard will be visiting British Columbia Canada, sometime in the comming month. If anyone can confirm this hersey and give me dates & places I would appriciate it. Thanx in advance. Hopeful in Hoserland, Jen Sus ~ Increase Your Serenity ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 19:14:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA12592; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:14:13 -0800 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA12585; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:14:10 -0800 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM (pinbot.nit.airtouch.com) by Zool.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-Zool:MLC:950320-01) id AA13463; Thu, 1 Feb 96 19:14:01 PST Received: from eon.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA01922; Thu, 1 Feb 96 19:14:00 PST From: pauld@nit.AirTouch.COM (Paul Duey) Message-Id: <9602020314.AA01922@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: law and order. To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:13:59 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Michal Migurski" at Feb 1, 96 03:50:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1244 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wicked, is anybody with a laminate going to Wicked? I don't even know what they look like. I'd like to finally see some sfraves faces (besides the ones I see every day :) Michal Migurski wrote: > > You seem to equate anarchy with, say, the situation of native americans > before European intervention, and in that case anarchy is a good thing. > Local self rule without coersion from a distance is the ideal form of > government (yes, I think it is a form of government and I don't believe > that government is by nature bad), but unforunately it's been tried (In > spain after WW2... Barcelona I believe had a small anarchistic government > for a while, but don't quote me on this or anything :) and while the > results were good for a while, the small communities just didn't have the > necessary clout to hold their own... There were official Anarchist parties during the Spanish civil war, which started in the 20's and ended in '39 I think. The only parties I know of were in Catalonia, of which Barcelona is one province. If you are interested in knowing what it is like to fight for an Anarchist/Socialist/Communist/Anything-but-facism party, check out Homage to Catalonia by George Orwell. It's what Animal Farm is based on. -pauld From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 22:06:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA24602; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:16 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA24595; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:13 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA02451 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199602020606.WAA02451@shell1.best.com> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: Re: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 01:40 AM 2/1/96 -0800, Fred Heutte wrote: >Uh oh. First of all, FMRs were never held "every month of yore" at -znippy- >sunrise over the Bay. That was June 1993. > >Occasional events were held there afterward, and at one there was a >series of altercations with some tough guys who showed up, and a couple >people were hurt. And no "ranger got shot," it's a city park. Uh oh indeed. The time period I was talking about was two years before your time. Sorry for any confusion! >Just wanted to set the record straight . . . > >phred eh p.s TO ANYONE WHO READS THIS: I am sick of getting two copies of every reply. If you are making a public reply to the list (that we are all subscribed to), there is no need to send one privately! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 22:06:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA24646; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:25 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA24616; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:17 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA02692 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:14 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199602020606.WAA02692@shell1.best.com> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: Re: Pictures of MDMA Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I had seen, somewhere, a web page with pictures of different forms of MDMA > I would also like to get this URL. eh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 22:06:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA24657; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:30 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA24623; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:20 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA02808 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:06:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199602020606.WAA02808@shell1.best.com> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: Re: back in my day... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 04:37 PM 2/1/96 -0800, Jamie Pauline Smith wrote: >Word!! While it is necessary to reflect and re-evaluate once every so >often, the tired complaint of how it was is not what it is, is simply >weak. Unless that energy is used to create a similar feeling, bitching >only makes things worse. So people get real, do whatcha like, and be >here now....Its all about love, kids! >Peace*JamieOn Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Matthew D. P. K. >Lanier wrote: > >> hello all- allow me to rant and rave for a moment. NO MORE "BACK IN MY >> DAY"!!!! it drives me crazy to continually have "what the scene was" >> contrasted to "what the scene is". we are here, and we are now, and each >> time we have that discussion about older scenes, we cement ourselves within >> a mindset that is incapable of being here. >> >> something i learned from shawna at chrysalis: now is the perfect moment, >> here is the perfect place. any and all attempts to go to another time and >> place are 1) futile and 2) unhealthy. that's my .02 for the day, but a .02 >> that i'm rather concerned about. Whatever, how can we _not_ be here now? I'm typing aren't I? eh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 22:10:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA24880; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:10:53 -0800 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA24871; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:10:49 -0800 From: SkiSF@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA13410; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 01:10:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 01:10:11 -0500 Message-ID: <960202011009_212158133@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: ehill@best.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Pictures of MDMA Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk check out http://www.hyperreal.com lots of rave/music/drug/medical/graphics/etc info there peace ski From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 1 22:28:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA25907; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:28:34 -0800 Received: from newvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA25902; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:28:30 -0800 Received: from XYP3_PORT1.sonoma.edu by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I0PR8WXNEOHXJJQP@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 01 Feb 1996 22:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 22:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Jonas Hanning Subject: DJ Equipment (again!) X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I0PR8XMAR6HXJJQP@SONOMA.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yep, I have another question about equipment. I'm all new to this (I've been buying the CDs and going to the raves for years) DJing. And I plan to start DJing. But what am I best off buying, a pair of 1200s or dual CD-players? I have a LOT of CDs that I'd like to be able to incorporate in my new hobby. Also, should I decide that this was nothing for me, I still have a good set of CD-players. How do you see the future of vinyl vs. CD? What is the best choice for a newbie like me? (soon-to-be) DJ Eskimo .............................................................. ........:::::Jonas Hanning:::::.....:::::dabalhed:::::........ ...........:::::DJ Eskimo .. Plastiga Band Inc:::::........... .............................................................. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 00:08:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA04049; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:08:16 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA04044; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:08:13 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA07365 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:08:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:08:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199602020808.AAA07365@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Pictures of MDMA X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >The web site is called "E for Esctacy" >the address is- http://www.gold.net/users/bt22 >the topics that say "Ecstacy test results" are the ones with the pics. >The latest one was from Jan 1996 from Germany. That was it exactly! I was looking around earlier today and I must have gone right past these links half a dozen times. Oh well. Thanks everyone, and thanks from my friend. I'm sure this will help out a lot with the paper. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 02:02:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA12796; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:02:16 -0800 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA12788; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:02:11 -0800 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id CAA08699; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:03:48 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jeno To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) In-Reply-To: <9602010140.ZM8476@well> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just to correct some misinformation, yes we did throw a whole bunch of FMRs at Candlestick, beginning way back in '91. In fact we got quite settled until a nasty incident forced us to go elsewhere. Three people ended up in hospital, a partygoer who was beaten unconcious with the butt of an Uzzi, and a park gardener and a jogger were both shot and wounded. Now, because the trouble was caused by some drunken locals who stumbled across our celebration accidentally and not any FMRavers, we thought that that would be the end of the matter. Unfortunately though the local authorities were pretty upset and after playing cat and mouse with us for a few months let us know that if we didn't stop we'd be run out of town. Thankfully we didn't stop we just headed out of the city, but I must add that the forces of "law and order" gave us a whole lot more grief than the original incident ever did. I hope this helps jog a few memories. jeno.. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 02:10:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA13294; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:10:06 -0800 Received: from newvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA13208; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:10:00 -0800 Received: from XYP2_PORT8.sonoma.edu by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I0PYZIZCYOHXJNHC@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 02 Feb 1996 02:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 02:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Jonas Hanning Subject: DJ Dan X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu (Unverified) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I0PYZJHB6QHXJNHC@SONOMA.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone know anything about the whereabouts of DJ Dan? .............................................................. ........:::::Jonas Hanning:::::.....:::::dabalhed:::::........ ...........:::::DJ Eskimo .. Plastiga Band Inc:::::........... .............................................................. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 02:18:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA17079; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:18:46 -0800 Received: from newvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA17073; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:18:44 -0800 Received: from XYP2_PORT8.sonoma.edu by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I0PZA7DK4GHXJJ5C@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 02 Feb 1996 02:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 02:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Jonas Hanning Subject: Re: DJ Equipment (again!) X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I0PZA7UZ1UHXJJ5C@SONOMA.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>Just my point of view, I justed about 3 months ago spinning Trance. I picked >>up two technics SL22BD...there a belt driven version of SL-1200 technics, >>similar features but the knobs for the pitch or different. I also bought a >>mixer that will at least do the job. I had huge 15 inch woofer and some mid >>and tweets in a box for my old truck. I hooked it all up to a 12v converter >>and I'm using a car stereo amp 200w per channel. This is my practice and >>learning setup. I payed $149 a piece for the turn tables and $79 for the >>mixer at the Good Guys. I had the speakers and amp for my old truck stereo >>system. so all in all it didn't cost too much at all. It's good enough to >>learn and practice on. When I started getting to the point were I can spin at >>parties, I'll then buy a GOOD sound system. So to wrap it up as for as total >>cost it was around $375-$400..plus records. Not to bad for begining I think. Most definitively not too bad. I'm looking at a Gemini CD-9500 dual CDplayer, a MTX750 mixer, a 160 watt amp, a pair of 12" Soundtech's B2s and a Technics dual tape deck. That would set me back something like $2700 incl tax+s&h. Anyone know where I can get a better deal, or just have any comments on my choice of equipment? .............................................................. ........:::::Jonas Hanning:::::.....:::::dabalhed:::::........ ...........:::::DJ Eskimo .. Plastiga Band Inc:::::........... .............................................................. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 02:29:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA17684; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:29:34 -0800 Received: from mailhost.pi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA17679; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:29:30 -0800 Received: from pi-user.pi.net (Utr84.pi.net [145.220.194.84]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA13582; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:29:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 10:52:46 PST From: bart meijerink Subject: RE: DJ Equipment (again!) To: Jonas Hanning , sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk How do you see the future of >vinyl vs. CD? What is the best choice for a newbie like me? > >(soon-to-be) DJ Eskimo > Well DJ Eskimo,> my experience is that housemusic sound much better from vinyl than from cd. Everyone can hear that for themselves by comparing the same track heard from cd and vinyl. You will learn that vinyl has a much deeper sound. Why? I dunno. I guess it partly comes down to the fact that a cd is nothing but a long 44.1 khz sample from the real sound. Releases from the Britisch label Irdial had a sheet of paper in it for a while (1992-1993) where this whole analog thing is explained. I reccomend you find one, 'coz it's really fun to read. . And then there is the whole mixing thing. I've never had much fun mixing with cd's. I prefer contact with the soundcarrier to pushing buttons. Also with records you can tell by looking at them when there's a break coming on. I even know people that claim to be able to draw out the complete arrangement of a track by carefully examining the grooves (?) on the record. Hope you'll choose vinyl!!! Bart. |Bart Meijerink |phone.... +31 (0)30-2625693 |fax...... +31 (0)30-2625693 (call first!) |email.... barttm@pi.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 02:44:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA18146; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:44:01 -0800 Received: from franklin-fddi.cris.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA18135; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:43:57 -0800 Received: from galileo.cris.com by franklin-fddi.cris.com [1-800-745-CRIS (voice)] Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 05:43:51 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Keenan To: Brian DarknEs^2 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: RavEs, # & Sex; RE: in body/out of body In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960201220511.006c82bc@199.89.140.103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Brian DarknEs^2 wrote: > BY YOUR COMMAND; How refreshing to be said like this, to be sex-positive can be ones own to experience openly as an energy force or repressed, sometimes without realizing I imagine what it would be like if there were no labels dividing us so unions were natural attractions between a couple. I find the vibe erotic, but the experience is what is inside us, of our own creation. > > Regarding raves, #, & sex; for (ME) raves are very erotic. To say we > are all of sudden not sexual beings at an event like a rave is poppy cock(no > pun intended). Humans as a species, are definately sexual beings; ask any > man who's around 17 - 21 years of age, or any womyn who's 33 - 38 years of > age. We as species are suppose to, and have very little control over LIFE's > energy/force. When I speak of LIFE's energy/force, I'm speaking about that > spark, or that essences/feeling that pushes us to join with another being(no > implied gay negatives) allowing the species to hopefully continue. That LIFE > energy/force which, for awhile defies chaos. > > Sure we decide not to be sexual/erotic, but this requires a decision > at some level, for the feelings are there. We just CHOSE not to act on them. > I as a professional male licensed massage therapist performing massage on > someone I'm attracted to, requires this decision a lot. Sure I feel that > sexual energy when I working on someone I find attractive, I'm a man, and at > the present state of evolution of the male of the human species, I find that > I'm hopelessly wired that way. For massage is healing, but it's also very > erotic at most levels for the giver & the receiver. But it would be > wrong/unethical for me to engage in sexual relations with a client. For the > very simple reason that when someone comes to me for a massage, there coming > to so I can facilitate THEIR bodies natural healing ability, not so I can > excersise MY sexual agenda. I become the taker then, when I'm suppose to be > the giver. For me it's no different than a doctor doing it do his patients. > > I also understand when some people partake in every ravers favorite > pastime, that they can go either way sexually. Some men can't come, and some > womyn just don't enjoy it, or want to be touched that way. While other men > like myself become the energizer bunny, and other womyn are just plain > unsatisfiable, purrrrrrrrrrr. I understand sex on #, isn't real, it's just > not that intense most of the time. But the experience sure is fun!!!! = >, + > >. I would highly recommend it for older married folks so that it scould > help them rekindle their sex life, and possibly even their marriage. > > It helped me recently end my fear of sex & sexual relations steming > from years of sexual trauma experienced as a child. Finally freeing my > sexual being trapped for almost 33 years. > > So that's my 2 cents anyway, but I would be interested in hearing > back from people with regard to whether they enjoy sex more when on, or when > not, or if they like both equally as much. I want this info for PURELY > private satistical data, for my sense is that more people either can't do > it, or don't like it, than can & do. > > 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... > see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>5 4 3 2 one...relurk<<<<<< < < _______________________________________________________________________________ Daniel Keenan | Internet E-Mail: Gitane@cris.com Popular Productions | Voice Mail/Pager no: 415.207.1809 633 Post Street, Ste. #390 |Tour Guide, Events, Mobile-Motorhome, Dan San Francisco, CA 94109 |The Man With The Van, Interests of Asia - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strategy gamer competing in the Intl. Vsyop Tournament, deprived chessplayer searching for harmony of friends, vibe, Perpetual Tourists, kindred spirits. Remember, Friends don't Let Friends Vote Republican - Mar. 26 '96 CA primary! Anyone have a cheap room for rent in/near SF? $bonus if I can park my 24'rv. Anyone want to live-in my motorhome for cheap when I'm not using it? (a lot) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 03:36:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA20813; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:36:55 -0800 Received: from newvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA20804; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:36:53 -0800 Received: from XYP2_PORT8.sonoma.edu by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I0Q219GMC0HXJHQ8@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 02 Feb 1996 03:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 03:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Jonas Hanning Subject: RE: DJ Equipment (again!) X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I0Q219ZDHUHXJHQ8@SONOMA.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > How do you see the future of >>vinyl vs. CD? What is the best choice for a newbie like me? >> >>(soon-to-be) DJ Eskimo >> >Well DJ Eskimo,> >my experience is that housemusic sound much better from vinyl >than from cd. Everyone can hear that for themselves by comparing >the same track heard from cd and vinyl. You will learn that >vinyl has a much deeper sound. Why? I dunno. I guess it partly >comes down to the fact that a cd is nothing but a long 44.1 khz >sample from the real sound. Releases from the Britisch label >Irdial had a sheet of paper in it for a while (1992-1993) where >this whole analog thing is explained. I reccomend you find one, >'coz it's really fun to read. . That's a really interesting point. I have never thought about this problem from that angle. But I think I will try to find this sheet (anyone have a copy?). =) >And then there is the whole mixing thing. I've never had much >fun mixing with cd's. I prefer contact with the soundcarrier to >pushing buttons. Also with records you can tell by looking at >them when there's a break coming on. I even know people that >claim to be able to draw out the complete arrangement of a track >by carefully examining the grooves (?) on the record. WHOA! That's kinda neat. But I'm a newbie to this entire mixing business, and I need something that won't scare me away by being too hard. =) .............................................................. ........:::::Jonas Hanning:::::.....:::::dabalhed:::::........ ...........:::::DJ Eskimo .. Plastiga Band Inc:::::........... .............................................................. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 09:19:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA16808; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:19:38 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16799; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:19:33 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA00487 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:19:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:19:01 -0500 Message-ID: <960202121858_212433127@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re: fmr's, & sfr history Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ding, Idea. (lightbulb over head) Although I fully agree with the no more" back in my day comments", I love hearing about everyone's stories about fm's and raves of earlier days, or even of yesterday. All those "time standin still" moments that make us all know exactly why we're here. (i.e.: my "dancing high atop a bassbin at bonny dunes, sunrise behind me, moonset in front, head to the stars" story, (fmr 3yr ann)). Anyway, has anyone put together any sort of collection of these stories, some sort of local raves history book? What do we think about this? Personally I think history is very important, and can't see anything but good to come out of it, it's our "never enough, grass is always greener" type personalities that we need to curtail when telling the stories. Let me know what ya'll think. Love & Life, Steveo P.S. I'm afraid I wouldn't have the time dedication to compile such a thing, but would be able to help making it into hardcopy, and definitely could contribute to it. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 09:40:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA18717; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:40:27 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18697; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:40:20 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA24297 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:40:20 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:40:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199602021740.JAA24297@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: re: fmr's, & sfr history X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Steveo wrote: >... Anyway, has anyone put together any sort of collection of these >stories, some sort of local raves history book? What do we think about this? (snip) >P.S. I'm afraid I wouldn't have the time dedication to compile such a thing, >but would be able to help making it into hardcopy, and definitely could >contribute to it. Hardcopy? Why? Why not just submit it to Hyperreal and let them keep it online? Paperless society and all that... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 09:52:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA19671; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:52:19 -0800 Received: from nak.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA19433; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:48:50 -0800 Received: from ella.mills.edu (ella.mills.edu [144.91.4.6]) by nak.berkeley.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id JAA13512 for <@mailhost.berkeley.edu:sfraves@hyperreal.com>; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:46:50 -0800 Received: from [144.91.205.50] by ella.mills.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/920502.SGI) for id JAA09137; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:46:47 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:49:18 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: mariaca@ella.mills.edu (Maria C. Archuleta) Subject: Fwd: Re: la-motss-digest V1 #197 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey there! I've been on the list for a short time and due to my tangential nature, it's fitting that the first thing I'd post would not DIRECTLY relate to raves. The message I'm forwarding to you all does, however, have everything to do with being able to talk about rave culture including the drugs associated with it, without fear. The Religious Right's "Computer Decency Act "would endanger the free flowing exchange of ideas that take place on lists like hyperreal's. Read the message below and forward it to your friends. Protect your rights to free speech and freedom of association! Because talking about it is half the fun, Maria >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:23:37 -0500 >From: FFP1ACLUNC@aol.com >To: norman.furlong@sun.com, niraj4@itsa.ucsf.edu, alynd@zzyx.ucsc.edu, > PAULPALO@aol.com, eeis@cruzio.com, elaine_kihara@macmail.ucsc.edu, > MamieRig@aol.com, craigo@cats.ucsc.edu, Yen4jen@aol.com, > 40lsmith@sophia.sph.unc.edu >cc: dick_wasserstrom@macmail.ucsc.edu, marilyn_westerkamp@macmail.ucsc.edu, > merz@mednet.stanford.edu, tross@wested.org, pkaplan@wested.org, > severino@usa.pipeline.com, mbrown@hooked.net, mariaca, > DearLick@aol.com, mlgray@sfsu.edu >Subject: Fwd: Re: la-motss-digest V1 #197 > >To all ACLU activists, here is a good lead... >Please pass this on. >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >Subj: Fwd: Re: la-motss-digest V1 #197 >Date: 96-02-01 11:20:03 EST >From: PFLAGpom >To: PFLAGpom > > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: DaveCarter@gnn.com (David Carter) >Resent-from: jeggerton@fdic.gov (John Mark Eggerton) >CC: cwatson@nuevo.com, pflagpom@aol.com >Date: 96-01-31 14:07:05 EST > >Forwarded to: Patrick S. Vincent@Legal-oc@RTCDC >Valerie R. Zeman@Legal-oc@RTCDC >Mona Diaz@Legal-oc@RTCDC >Patrick McGlone@LEGAL CSLS@Washington >Ken Davis@DOR TAB@Washington > cc: internet[cwatson@nuevo.com, pflagpom@aol.com] >Comments by: John Mark Eggerton@Legal-oc@RTCDC >Comments: > > >For your information. Also a good way to run up the tab on the Xian >Coalition. > > -------------------------- [Original Message] ------------------------- > >FYI--have at it! >>X-State: 3 >>X-Total-length: 2167 >>+OK 2120 octets >>Received: from langevin.usc.edu (langevin.usc.edu >[128.125.104.71]) by >> mail-e1b.gnn.com(8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA07073 for >> ; Wed, 31 Jan 199613:43:29 -0500 (EST) >>Received: by langevin.usc.edu >> (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA028222467; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:21:07 >-0500 >>Received: from gramercy.ios.com by langevin.usc.edu with ESMTP >> (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA028182465; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:21:05 >-0800 >>Received: from ppp-4.ts-4.la.idt.net (ppp-4.ts-4.la.idt.net >> [206.20.223.4]) by gramercy.ios.com(8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id >NAA25242 >> for ; Wed, 31 Jan 199613:15:54 -0500 >>X-UIDL: 823113813.000 >>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:15:54 -0500 >>Message-Id: <199601311815.NAA25242@gramercy.ios.com> >>X-Sender: wmggwt@gramercy.ios.com >>X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>To: la-motss@langevin.usc.edu >>From: wmggwt@gramercy.ios.com (William Gordon) >>Subject: Re: la-motss-digest V1 #197 >>Sender: owner-la-motss@langevin.usc.edu >>Precedence: bulk >> >>> >>Good Morning Folks! >> >>I got this message forwarded to my e-mail address to share with everyone, >>and I think it's really worth knowing about! >> >>Regards, >>William >>> >>> FORWARD >>> >>>The Christian Coalition has set up a temporary 800- number service which >>>will direct your call to the office of any U.S. Congressperson, >>>ostensibly so that you can voice your support for the Computer Decency >>>Act. However, they do not ask any questions, so you can likewise voice >>>your concerns over the limitations the bill imposes or for any other >>>matter as far as that goes. I tried the number today and it really >>>works. If by chance you don't know your congressperson the operator will >>>ask for your zip code and then direct your call to the apporpriate >>>congressional office. The number is: >>> >>> 1-800-962-3524 >>> >>>The call is free so call as often as you like and let Ralph Reed pay for >> it. >>> >>>This message is part of a forward from the Gradaute Feminist Network at >>>the University of Southern California. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >> > > >This e-mail message is the property of the Federal Deposit Insurance >Corporation, a sometimes Agency of the U.S. Government. Be aware that this >message, or any message you send in response to this message becomes the >property of the U.S. Government, and therefore may be used in any way, legal >or commercial, by the U.S. Government. E-mail is not private. Even the >account you have purchased for home use is subject to search and seizure by >law enforcement authorities. Big Brother is watching YOU. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 10:09:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA19989; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:55:25 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA19977; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:55:19 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA23281; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:53:41 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA13962; Fri, 2 Feb 96 09:53:40 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21060; Fri, 2 Feb 96 09:53:39 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9602021753.AA21060@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: re: fmr's, & sfr history To: SteveOSac@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 9:53:38 PST Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960202121858_212433127@emout05.mail.aol.com>; from "SteveOSac@aol.com" at Feb 2, 96 12:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > All those "time standin still" moments that make us all > know exactly why we're here. (i.e.: my "dancing high atop a bassbin at bonny > dunes, sunrise behind me, moonset in front, head to the stars" story, (fmr > 3yr ann)). Anyway, has anyone put together any sort of collection of these > stories, some sort of local raves history book? You'll find a few local FMR along with other classic rave stories from around the world at http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/spirit/testimonials/ And then there's always the sfraves archives which contain everything ever posted to this list at http:/www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/archives/ Lee ___________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 10:27:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23227; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:27:32 -0800 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23216; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:27:21 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id KAA05575; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:21:16 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07499; Fri, 2 Feb 96 10:26:33 PST Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 10:26:33 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9602021826.AA07499@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: jeno@nexsys.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > but I must add that the forces of "law and order" gave us a whole lot > more grief than the original incident ever did. unless, of course, you were one of the people shot or beaten.... jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... LISTEN until you UNDERSTAND! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 10:34:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23751; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:34:32 -0800 Received: from actcom.co.il by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23734; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:34:19 -0800 From: amatoria@actcom.co.il Received: from p1.negev1.actcom.co.il by actcom.co.il with SMTP (8.6.12/actcom-0.1) id UAA18494 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:35:36 +0200 (rfc931-sender: p4.negev1.actcom.co.il [192.114.233.34]) Message-Id: <199602021835.UAA18494@actcom.co.il> X-Sender: amatoria@actcom.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 20:30:25 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ART.INDUST. X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk greetings ! i posted this originally to the ambient list ,=20 i'm sure you'll have an interest in this too ...=20 so , few words about myself : my name is Erez Fernando Jinno .=20 i`m 29 years old , born in uruguay and live in israel .=20 my commercial name is : ART.INDUST.=20 under this name i make chill-out-ambient (techno/trance/house-related) music= . my first ambient cd , was released in israel in october 95 ,=20 under the title : 'Amatoria' . (some trax on 'Amatoria' are very IDM) Jose=E9 Castro will be playing 'Amatoria' on : K.U.S.F (90.3 FM) Moondance (Friday-night 3:00am - 7:30am) . [http://www.usfca.edu/usf/kusf/] comments are most welcomed . Enjoy ! L8r . efj .=20 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 11:02:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25934; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:02:11 -0800 Received: from parcplace.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25922; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:02:05 -0800 Received: from [192.159.3.151] (2heads.parcplace.com [192.159.3.151]) by parcplace.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04240 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:59:18 -0800 X-Sender: snomura@central Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:06:26 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) Subject: behavior Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello ppl. I recently got sucked into an ego battle on sfraves. We began debating about a certain issue, and all that mattered after awhile was 'who would come out on top' in the end. A little white back, I almost got sucked into another one, but cut it off as soon as I recognized what was happening. As someone who has made self-improvement a daily practice, it is difficult for me to find excuses or to rationalize behaving on such a low level of consciousness as the instigation of, or the participation of conquest over another for the gratification of ego. And I think that the saddest thing about this is that the people who do it the most are the ones who are the most unaware that they are doing it. They are the ones, who, right now are trying to find 1,000,0001 ways to tear this post apart, piece by piece and put me in my place. It is because this is what they do. They do it often, and they do it well. It is in their personality makeup. They will find any word left out, any phallacy in logic or loophole at which they can pick apart. Going off on tangents and not sticking to the subjects at hand is another good one. Put simply, they are the ones who DO NOT debate about the subject matter, but go right after the jugular of their opponent's ego. And so, as one who can only take responsibility for his own behavior. I make a formal apology, and will endeavor to function on a higher level of consciousness in the future. -S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 11:12:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26927; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:12:50 -0800 Received: from inet-smtp-gw-1.us.oracle.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26917; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:12:43 -0800 Received: from mailsun2.us.oracle.com by inet-smtp-gw-1.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/37.7) id LAA26890; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:12:43 -0800 Received: by mailsun2.us.oracle.com (8.7.1/37.8) id LAA24169; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:14:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602021914.LAA24169@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Date: 02 Feb 96 11:07:40 -0800 From: "Aaron_Edsinger" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: good government (non-rave, most might say) X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To: UNX02.US.ORACLE.COM:owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com's message of 01-Feb-96 07:21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Boundary-3103841-0-0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --Boundary-3103841-0-0 IMHO: I think you are conveniently overlooking the fact that we do not live in a truly democratic society, but in a gross deformation of such, where votes, representatives, the media, even the very ideas we are coerced to believe are bought and sold on the marketplace of the elite. The majority does not rule, the agendas of a small minority rule this country. Just look at the mega-conglomerate corporations that control the media right now. A handful of people have the power to control the collective unconscious of the "majority" of this country any way they please.....and yes, I think all of this does apply to raves as they are equally tied into this sick, social organism. Consider how they have been made out to by our media minority to be a *danger* to society, requiring extensive permits, policing, etc. This has forced raves to yield to economic pressures and control and come above ground.......... have a good weekend all....... ----->aaron --Boundary-3103841-0-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Date: 01 Feb 96 16:25:38 From:"Timothy McIntyre " To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: good government (non-rave, most might say) Cc: ravers@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU X-Orcl-Application: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcl-Application: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcl-Application: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Orcl-Application: Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, just wondering if there was room for one more post on today's government/anarchy discussion. The following should have all of its sentences prefaced by "In my humble little possibly wrong opinion", but for the sake of length, it does not. Okay: I've been sifting through the day's posts, many of which seem have a strongly pessimistic position in regards to the general direction towards which human society is heading. Someone proposed anarchy as a possible "solution," which I found insulting. Is the suggestion here that humans should run away from the complexities of government, throw our hands in the air, and give up? Remove all laws? Government is often viewed by Americans as interfering, disruptive, and an annoyance. I would suggest the precise opposite: government is one of the most natural things on the planet. So are laws and rules. Human beings are the most social species on the planet: we have language, highly evolved emotions, and an overriding desire for human contact (for instance, the existence of sfraves). The only mammal that will die during the second stage of infancy without assistance from the rest of its species is the human baby: the lesson there is a huge one--people truly need each other. And if we need each other, that means that countless interactions between people will occur. If interactions occur between different people with different opinions, then there's going to be a need for a certain amount of lubrication to make sure that these meetings run smoothly. Rules will appear (for example, I put 'NON-RAVE' on this post, so that someone who is bored by this kind of debate won't waste time reading this) as humans try and make their lives run more smoothly, and rather than vote on every single possible issue, which would consume a tremendous amount of every citizen's time, the ancient Greeks came up with the idea of representation, where we elect others to wrestle with the fine print and technicalities. This is the system of government we have today. If you hate the job that Bill CLinton is doing, fine. You can vote for someone else. Upset that there isn't another satisfactory choice, and it seems like you're being forced to choose between the same-old Republican/Democrat system, then vote for an obscure third-party to make a statement. Or write in your own name, or anything, but vote, even if only for the right to disagree with whoever ends up winning any election. If you don't vote, then how will you ever be able to justify expressing a dissenting opinion? Someone could say, well, didja vote? And if you didn't, then there won't be any moral ground to stand upon. The word 'idiot' comes from the Greek word meaning 'non-voter'. Government is far from perfect, needs a lot of work, and could certainly use a bunch of fresh faces. But we live in a society where the majority rules, and, strangely, the voice of the people becomes clearest when all voices cry out together: the results of an election are most indicative of a society's wishes when everybody votes. And for the sake of preventing descent into anarchy, the people must accept the fact that other voices have to be heard, and must accept the voice of the majority and allow it to become law, with the knowledge from all sides that this law can be changed in the future if need be. Ultimately, then, judgment has to be suspended, and what better place is there to learn how to lay down one's judgment than at a rave? see you all out there, Timothy _______________________________________ sidewalk@uclink2 UC Berkeley "more hard trance, please" --Boundary-3103841-0-0-- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 11:13:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26989; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:13:24 -0800 Received: from tetons.examen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA26962; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:13:09 -0800 From: amyp@yosemite.examen.com Received: from examen.com by tetons.examen.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tiQux-002CQjC; Fri, 2 Feb 96 11:13 PST Received: from pongo.examen.com by examen.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12652; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:13:23 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: "All in the Family" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 11:12:58 PST Message-Id: <9602021912.3A4A34@pongo.examen.com> X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi guys! Wanted to let everyone know about a great party tonight. In Touch Productions presents "All in the Family" and only $10. Great line-up...Barry Weaver, Donald Glaude, Jeno, Karizma, Tony and Crust. Starts at 8pm and goes til 4am or so. The location is in a warehouse in Oakland/Emeryville area. Call tonight for directions - 415-267-3916 510-433-7126 Hope to see everyone there! peace and love, amyp and Mikey and the rest of the In Touch crew :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 11:15:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27208; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:15:37 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27202; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:15:31 -0800 Received: from mail.thestranger.com (mail.thestranger.com [199.238.224.12]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA18253 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:24:08 -0800 Received: from [199.238.224.10] by mail.thestranger.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b6); Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:12:12 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:12:11 -0700 To: Jonas Hanning , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tigger@thestranger.com (Glenn) Subject: Re: DJ Equipment (again!) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:18 AM 2/2/96, Jonas Hanning wrote: >Most definitively not too bad. I'm looking at a Gemini CD-9500 dual CDplayer, >a MTX750 mixer, a 160 watt amp, a pair of 12" Soundtech's B2s and a Technics >dual tape deck. That would set me back something like $2700 incl tax+s&h. >Anyone know where I can get a better deal, or just have any comments on my >choice of equipment? Hmm... If you're willing to spend around $2700, I would recommend checking out the Pioneer CDJ500-II CD players and the matching DJM500 mixer. The CDJ was modeled after the 1200's and has a large jog dial for queuing and manipulating the disk manually. It lies flat on a table just like a reqular turntable. It also has looping functions, master tempo controls for easy beat-matching and (when used with the mixer and another CDJ500-II) synchronized cross-faders that will start and stop the CD's depending on the cross-fader position. The DJM500 mixer was made to accompany the CDJ's and has 4 seperate channel controls and 5 or 6 built in digital effects (flange, reverb, delay, etc.) assignable to any of the four channels and sampling capabilities. I've been looking at them recently as I would like to learn how to mix music. All of my music is on CD. I've not really looked at other alternatives but, it seemed like the closest interface analagous to mixing on 1200's that I've seen. Please let me know what you end up with. I'd be interested in hearing from other folks who are using CD players to mix music with. Peace y'all Tigger ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Life is not a plate but a bowl to be filled... ~Mahatma Gandhi ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 11:54:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA00298; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:54:13 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA00286; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:54:06 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.27] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:53:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:59:56 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: John Carel Subject: Re: DJ Equipment (again!) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>>Just my point of view, I justed about 3 months ago spinning Trance. I picked >>>up two technics SL22BD...there a belt driven version of SL-1200 technics, >>>similar features but the knobs for the pitch or different. I also bought a >>>mixer that will at least do the job. I had huge 15 inch woofer and some mid >>>and tweets in a box for my old truck. I hooked it all up to a 12v converter >>>and I'm using a car stereo amp 200w per channel. This is my practice and >>>learning setup. I payed $149 a piece for the turn tables and $79 for the >>>mixer at the Good Guys. I had the speakers and amp for my old truck stereo >>>system. so all in all it didn't cost too much at all. It's good enough to >>>learn and practice on. When I started getting to the point were I can spin at >>>parties, I'll then buy a GOOD sound system. So to wrap it up as for as total >>>cost it was around $375-$400..plus records. Not to bad for begining I think. > >Most definitively not too bad. I'm looking at a Gemini CD-9500 dual CDplayer, >a MTX750 mixer, a 160 watt amp, a pair of 12" Soundtech's B2s and a Technics >dual tape deck. That would set me back something like $2700 incl tax+s&h. >Anyone know where I can get a better deal, or just have any comments on my >choice of equipment? > >.............................................................. >........:::::Jonas Hanning:::::.....:::::dabalhed:::::........ >...........:::::DJ Eskimo .. Plastiga Band Inc:::::........... >.............................................................. Jonas- I definately agree with bart on the vinyl thing. If you intend to only mix ambient, then CD's are good. A lot of ambient only comes out on CD's. But if you ever intend to mix dance music, then vinyl is crucial. I can't say that I've actually ever tried with CD's, but would imagine it nigh impossible. If you shop around long enough & check the classifieds, you should be able to pick up a pair of 1200's for $600 good luck. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 11:58:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA00522; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:58:07 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA00420; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:55:52 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA141640799; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:53:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: behavior To: Sean Nomura Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Sean Nomura wrote: > I recently got sucked into an ego battle on sfraves. We began debating > about a certain issue, and all that mattered after awhile was 'who would > come out on top' in the end. I have to be conscious of this all the time in dealing with people everywhere, not just on the internet. What I have to remember is that it is not who is right or who comes out on top that is important (ego as you said) but what you feel is your highest truth and what feels right for you. So much energy is wasted in debate and proving points of view that are never going to be changed no matter what! If you know what matters to you, live by that, and that proves the point better than any words could ever do! Live by your own example. This is why I stay away from the battle over "PLUR" that pops its head every so often on this forum. I don't care about all the arguements. I just know how I live my life and try the best I can to incorporate Peace Love Unity and Respect. No debate can change my behavoir. I act how I'm going to act - I walk the talk, so debates simply do not exist for me, therefore I have more energy to PRACTICE what I preach. So I totally agree with what Sean's post - every bit of it! :) love to all, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 13:15:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08908; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:15:02 -0800 Received: from parcplace.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08891; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:14:56 -0800 Received: from [192.159.3.151] (2heads.parcplace.com [192.159.3.151]) by parcplace.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA10831 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:12:07 -0800 X-Sender: snomura@central Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:19:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) Subject: Re: good government (long) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First of all, I'd like to state that this IS opinion. No one person could possibly carry all the [correct] answers to life in his own mind. And as for the intense amount of information available, I've barely absorbed even the most miniscule fraction.... I carry the belief, that whatever happens is what is suppose to happen, and that the universe is unfolding as it should. (At least I aspire to live my life based upon that belief). I'd like to applaud Timothy McIntyre for preaching acceptance of society in its present state of of evolution, and here is why: ________________________________________________________________________________ People have been aware of [the] UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE OF REALITY and its affect on consciousness (and personality) for centuries. According to theory, there are seven levels of consciousness. Levels 1-3 deal with the most basic (earthly) gratifications of stemming from imbalances in the personality (i.e. id, ego, superego). Most (all) of the motivations from these individuals come from fear-based programming. Disheartening as it is may seem, the majority of the population constantly moves between these three levels of of consciousness. It is these individuals whose pictures, ideals, and concepts of reality do not match actual reality. In other words, this person is strongly attached to the picture of the world programmed in his own mind. More often than not, the real world will not match that programmed world. The stronger the person's motivation to impose his own programmed ideal of what the world "should" or "shouldn't" be like on the real world is proportional to the strength of the person's attachment to his programmed (illusionary) picture. Stated thusly, an attachment to an ideal whose strength is such that it is a([n] illusionary) need, and is not congruent with reality, is an addiction. Let's take a look at a simple example. Let's say you're driving home from work and you suddenly run into what seems to be miles and miles of bumper to bumper traffic. Instead of calmly (and joyfully) accepting what is going on around you, you begin to feel a state change - a sense of irritation, and perhaps even anger. Why is this happening? It is because the picture (ideal) inside of your head does not match what is actually going on around you. So strong is the attachment (desire) of wanting to get home and the picture (ideal) of not wanting to be stuck in *that darned* traffic, that an undesireable state change sets in. Thus, the expression of the non-acceptance of the reality surrounding you. It is easy to see, that the more addictions a person may possess, the less sense of peace, love, and tranquility felt within. ________________________________________________________________________________ Anytime someone preaches their disdain and/or implants disdain toward society, or races or cultures, the police dept., etc., they are not only carrying themselves into lower levels of consciousness, but inviting it upon others. I have been personally accused of the desire for censorship. I guess anyone's right to label it how they wish. I choose to call it personal responsibility, towards themselves as individuals, and towards the people who share the world in which they live. Peace, Love, and Higher Consciousness, -S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 13:15:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08978; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:15:53 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08941; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:15:30 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA03250 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:13:58 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id NAA11218 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:13:56 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199602022113.NAA11218@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Re: DJ Equipment, vinyl vs. CD To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:13:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "bart meijerink" at Feb 2, 96 10:52:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1020 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The sampling rate of CDs has nothing to do with the bass response. It will kill highs over 22K (the Nyquist frequency) but given the heavy (5g!) stylus pressures used in DJing so the rekkids don't skip, vinyl will never have anything over 10K anyway unelss it's virgin. Plus no one who goes to raves will have enough hearing left to tell. >%^/ The boominess of vinyl bass has to do with the turntables physically feeding back with the huge speaker stacks. Hit a turntable while it's playing a record and you can hear your hand whacking it, right? Well, some with the low bass, which is loud enough to cause resonance with the DJ equipment. CDs are not subject to this as the information is digital and unaffected by vibration until it causes the CD to skip. Likely you could simulate this with some resonant EQ on the subsonics, if you like that boomy stuff. I personally don't. The Oasis in San Jose used to be really terrible for that -- all the basslines sounded the same no matter what was playing. // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 13:16:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09009; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:16:12 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08997; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:16:08 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA06682; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:16:03 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA19509; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:13:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:13:57 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: re: fmr's, & sfr history To: SteveOSac@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960202121858_212433127@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I posted something about this within the last month, but got no comment. I'd also be really interested in hearing "history" about raves in the bay area. It's interesting to know how the scene has changed, remained the same, etc. So, I second Steve's opinion!! --kc On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 SteveOSac@aol.com wrote: > Ding, Idea. (lightbulb over head) > Although I fully agree with the no more" back in my day comments", I love > hearing about everyone's stories about fm's and raves of earlier days, or > even of yesterday. All those "time standin still" moments that make us all > know exactly why we're here. (i.e.: my "dancing high atop a bassbin at bonny > dunes, sunrise behind me, moonset in front, head to the stars" story, (fmr > 3yr ann)). Anyway, has anyone put together any sort of collection of these > stories, some sort of local raves history book? What do we think about this? > Personally I think history is very important, and can't see anything but > good to come out of it, it's our "never enough, grass is always greener" type > personalities that we need to curtail when telling the stories. Let me know > what ya'll think. > Love & Life, > Steveo > P.S. I'm afraid I wouldn't have the time dedication to compile such a thing, > but would be able to help making it into hardcopy, and definitely could > contribute to it. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 13:42:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09235; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:18:31 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA09216; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:18:21 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16561(15)>; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:17:36 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <17118>; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:17:30 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA823296406; Fri, 02 Feb 96 13:26:06 PST Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:26:06 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9601028232.AA823296406@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Chakra Definition, OBE & Music Manipulation Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry for not defining the term "chakra" in my last post. I've been on such a roll w/people on the same wavelength as me that I didn't think about explaining it. In fact, I integrate so much info from different places that I had to look it up to give you a more reliable answer. Chakras (meaning wheel or vortex) defined in a really good book (Color & Crystals by Joy Gardner) defines it as the center of spinning energy. This energy can be received, transmitted, as well as related to social, sexual, and spiritual energy. There are seven chakra points on the body and each one has color(s), emotion(s), crystal(s), tones and chants associated with them. I don't know the history of origin but it can be traced back to yoga practices and to me, it seems to have a more Eastern philosophy associated with it. So when I referred to the lower chakras in my previous post, I was referring to the sexual, ego, physical realm desires that drive us. These chakras are located at your tailbone, and a little below the navel (to the left) as well as at your solar plexus. The other chakras include the heart, throat, third eye (between your eyebrows) and your crown (divination). These last four are more on the spiritual bend. There's lots of vague crossovers in Western society (AA's head, heart and guts comes to mind) but info related to chakra healing and power is usually sought out here rather than common everyday Western knowledge. I can go on lots more, but I don't think it's applicable. W/r/t Music manipulation, I do just want to say that there are specific tones and ranges that are associated with each chakra and they can vibrate specific parts of your body opening you up (hence my working through my chakras when dancing). Have you seen a crowd going off and when the dj plays the warm strings, high pitched sound and they raise their hands? To me, instincts are woken up deep within us and when we raise our hands, we're channeling divine light into us which is ineviteably to all of us and Mother Earth since were all connected. Again, just my opinion, and yeah, I know people raise their hands all the time to other tones/frequencies, but it seems accentuated when I hear warm strings. Your description below of what happens w/your energy w/tribal bass leads me to believe that you indeed feel a connection but didn't have the same terms to describe it as me...irregardless, it's all good! :) And w/r/t OBE, nah, you don't always have to indulge or imbibe to get out of your body but it's nice to sometimes ;) There's pathways each of us can tap into naturally to connect and transform...again, it's not common knowledge but training can be sought out. For me, just listening and dancing to music can transport me especially when dancing in the dirt barefoot outside. And yes, like you, I feel spirits and archetypical energies invoked some of these times. A friend of mine described his experimentation w/dancing and imbibing as follows: it's an elevator up to enlightenment and higher consciousness but you always come back down. The real task is to build the stepping stones in everyday life to reach the same station(s). I hope you like his description as much as I do. Building steps and getting higher... Love in white light, Diane ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: in body/out of body Author: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) at beluga-mail Date: 1/31/96 5:46 PM Diane Tabellija wrote: >Yes! A while back, I mentioned to the group that when I go off, I open up >and work through my chakras while dancing. ... (SNIP) > We spoke about how >the driving bass and funky groove lines get people to move their hips, >shake their booties and open up their lower chakras. Enlighten me: what is a chakra? >... so we're able to work through to our heart chakras and >ultimately to our crowns. Huh? I gotta tell you, when I dance, I'm not OB, I don't feel any chakras (or any other terms not part of the general public's vocabulary). On the other hand, I enjoy the hell out of dancing. I'm a bit of a show-off, so there's that, but with the right music -- usually something with tons of really heavy, driving, ancient, tribal bass -- there's a feeling of power, of energy coursing through me. In my mind, it's as though the other elements of the music are simply counterpoints to that booming; and then it's like something ancient, something that speaks to something eternal within. I feel the blood of ancestors long dead come to life within me, and we are one, dancing infinite, moving to that beat, the puissant thrum beyond hearing of the earth's timeless magma heart... Whoa...was I getting deep?...Sorry... 58-) > My brother, I like it when you get deep...it's beautiful because > it comes from the heart! At the Martin Luther King Jr. Spundae, I could have danced all night to some of the things that got spun, and it was because of that energy. But OBE? No, can't say that I have. I don't suppose this requires or is aided by chemical assistance? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 13:44:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11013; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:44:15 -0800 Received: from infobase.internex.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10975; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:43:53 -0800 Received: from pythagoras.pythagoras.org ([204.119.89.82]) by infobase.internex.net (post.office MTA v1.7 ID# 0-11031) with SMTP id AAA25727; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:43:46 -0800 X-Sender: andy-pythagoras@menlopark01.pop.internex.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 13:52:08 -0800 To: Sabin Cloud Macphee From: "Andrew Nourse" Subject: Re: Racoons... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: <19960202214345.AAA25727@pythagoras.pythagoras.org> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We have a whole family of them living under our deck (and sometimes in our kitchen, if we leave the cat-door open after dark). They are really cool critters, and the little ones are so cute... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 14:19:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA13700; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:19:10 -0800 Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA13690; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:18:59 -0800 Received: from mailsun2.us.oracle.com by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com with ESMTP (8.6.12/37.7) id OAA32216; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:17:31 -0800 Received: by mailsun2.us.oracle.com (8.7.1/37.8) id OAA15653; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:18:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602022218.OAA15653@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Date: 02 Feb 96 13:32:49 -0800 From: "Aaron_Edsinger" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Chronicle blurb on E MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wasting brain cells looking through the Chronicle at Macys ads and other trash, I came across an interesting blurb about E on page A9, accompanied by a cartoon of a happy chemist makin bacon..........:) ECSTASY CAN BE A PROBLEM The Netherlands seems to be supplying much of Europe with Ecstasy, a happy pill that can be produced with a school chemistry kit. When teenagers die from MDMA, patented in 1914 and originally used as an appetite suppressant for German troops, pressure grows on the Dutch government. France and Germany have told the Netherlands that its lenient drug policies threaten the European ideal of open borders. The Dutch argue that they treat Ecstasy as a "hard" drug but that the Netherlands happens to be one of the European Union's major distribution centers for all goods. Is it a sin to have a good infrastructure? The necessary chemicals, they say, come mainly from outside. And they have statistics to show that their drug seizure totals compare favorably with those of their accusers. Give the danger, especially to liver and kidneys, why would anyone take Ecstasy? Users report feelings of euphoria, love, and energy, just right for an all night Rave. Alix Sharkey, writing in the London Guardian, says teenagers recognize the "hype and hysteria" surrounding the drug and cannot be intimidated. Sharkey quotes a physician saying a person is five times more likely to die on a ski holiday in Switzerland than from taking Ecstasy. (The Guardian also provides a chart showing what the drug costs at various British locales--and where it's the real thing. Cheaper "cousins" abound.) Meanwhile, Dutch entrepreneurs keep making their product -- and huge profits. One producer, says the London Times, was convicted in 1992 and sentenced to a year and a half in prison, which he hasn't served because a Dutch prison has never "invited" him. Until it does, he can't go inside. As his lawyer acknowledges, he's probably working. ----------------->aaron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 15:32:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19692; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:32:19 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA19650; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:31:34 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA18996; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:31:05 -0800 Received: (from sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03623; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:26:51 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:26:50 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy McIntyre Subject: Re: good government (non-rave, most might say) To: Aaron_Edsinger cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199602021914.LAA24169@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=Boundary-3103841-0-0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --Boundary-3103841-0-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 2 Feb 1996, Aaron_Edsinger wrote: > IMHO: > I think you are conveniently overlooking the fact that we do not live in a > truly democratic society, but in a gross deformation of such, where votes, > representatives, the media, even the very ideas we are coerced to believe are > bought and sold on the marketplace of the elite. The majority does not rule, > the agendas of a small minority rule this country. Just look at the > mega-conglomerate corporations that control the media right now. A handful of > people have the power to control the collective unconscious of the "majority" > of this country any way they please.....and yes, I think all of this does > apply to raves as they are equally tied into this sick, social organism. > Consider how they have been made out to by our media minority to be a *danger* > to society, requiring extensive permits, policing, etc. This has forced raves > to yield to economic pressures and control and come above ground.......... > > have a good weekend all....... > > ----->aaron > > > But didn't you read what I wrote? My point was that if you don't like the representatives which you "have been coerced to believe", then you can always vote for someone else! Look at a ballot next time you vote--you'll find the green party, the peace and freedom party, and a host of other "alternative" (for lack of a better word) choices. Or, as I said before, you can write in candidates on the matter of principle. Or you can vote for a pro-education candidate, who will increase funding for schools if s/he wins, which will maybe result in the education of future generations and, with more knowledge, they will be better equipped to realize that there's more out there than the Clintons or Doles...the possibilities are endless. As for not living in a "truly democratic society", a democracy is defined by merely allowing every citizen one precious vote. The rest is left up to natural market forces, for better or worse. Okay, enough babbling from me... I do agree with you however that the media does have a lot of power, but there's still an internal check which provides Americans with more accurate news about their government than any other nation on earth: strangely, it's money. If I get a big scoop and uncover some big government scandal, I can make a fortune by putting it on tv if I'm the nightly news, or if I'm a newspaper, I'm constantly searching for fresher news than other newspapers have. I want the best scoop, so I work harder. Money fuels the watchdog, and I don't think that's bad at all. sorry, babbling again :) see ya Timothy --Boundary-3103841-0-0 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Date: 01 Feb 96 16:25:38 From:"Timothy McIntyre " To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: good government (non-rave, most might say) Cc: ravers@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU X-Orcl-Application: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcl-Application: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcl-Application: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Orcl-Application: Precedence: bulk Hi everybody, just wondering if there was room for one more post on today's government/anarchy discussion. The following should have all of its sentences prefaced by "In my humble little possibly wrong opinion", but for the sake of length, it does not. Okay: I've been sifting through the day's posts, many of which seem have a strongly pessimistic position in regards to the general direction towards which human society is heading. Someone proposed anarchy as a possible "solution," which I found insulting. Is the suggestion here that humans should run away from the complexities of government, throw our hands in the air, and give up? Remove all laws? Government is often viewed by Americans as interfering, disruptive, and an annoyance. I would suggest the precise opposite: government is one of the most natural things on the planet. So are laws and rules. Human beings are the most social species on the planet: we have language, highly evolved emotions, and an overriding desire for human contact (for instance, the existence of sfraves). The only mammal that will die during the second stage of infancy without assistance from the rest of its species is the human baby: the lesson there is a huge one--people truly need each other. And if we need each other, that means that countless interactions between people will occur. If interactions occur between different people with different opinions, then there's going to be a need for a certain amount of lubrication to make sure that these meetings run smoothly. Rules will appear (for example, I put 'NON-RAVE' on this post, so that someone who is bored by this kind of debate won't waste time reading this) as humans try and make their lives run more smoothly, and rather than vote on every single possible issue, which would consume a tremendous amount of every citizen's time, the ancient Greeks came up with the idea of representation, where we elect others to wrestle with the fine print and technicalities. This is the system of government we have today. If you hate the job that Bill CLinton is doing, fine. You can vote for someone else. Upset that there isn't another satisfactory choice, and it seems like you're being forced to choose between the same-old Republican/Democrat system, then vote for an obscure third-party to make a statement. Or write in your own name, or anything, but vote, even if only for the right to disagree with whoever ends up winning any election. If you don't vote, then how will you ever be able to justify expressing a dissenting opinion? Someone could say, well, didja vote? And if you didn't, then there won't be any moral ground to stand upon. The word 'idiot' comes from the Greek word meaning 'non-voter'. Government is far from perfect, needs a lot of work, and could certainly use a bunch of fresh faces. But we live in a society where the majority rules, and, strangely, the voice of the people becomes clearest when all voices cry out together: the results of an election are most indicative of a society's wishes when everybody votes. And for the sake of preventing descent into anarchy, the people must accept the fact that other voices have to be heard, and must accept the voice of the majority and allow it to become law, with the knowledge from all sides that this law can be changed in the future if need be. Ultimately, then, judgment has to be suspended, and what better place is there to learn how to lay down one's judgment than at a rave? see you all out there, Timothy _______________________________________ sidewalk@uclink2 UC Berkeley "more hard trance, please" --Boundary-3103841-0-0-- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 15:43:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20465; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:43:41 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA20426; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:43:20 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16197(7)>; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:42:37 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <17181>; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:42:30 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA823305105; Fri, 02 Feb 96 15:51:31 PST Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:51:31 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9601028233.AA823305105@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Chakra Definition, OBE & Music Manipulation Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if this made it through. Apologies if it's a duplicated mail msg. ---- Sorry for not defining the term "chakra" in my last post. I've been on such a roll w/people on the same wavelength as me that I didn't think about explaining it. In fact, I integrate so much info from different places that I had to look it up to give you a more reliable answer. Chakras (meaning wheel or vortex) defined in a really good book (Color & Crystals by Joy Gardner) defines it as the center of spinning energy. This energy can be received, transmitted, as well as related to social, sexual, and spiritual energy. There are seven chakra points on the body and each one has color(s), emotion(s), crystal(s), tones and chants associated with them. I don't know the history of origin but it can be traced back to yoga practices and to me, it seems to have a more Eastern philosophy associated with it. So when I referred to the lower chakras in my previous post, I was referring to the sexual, ego, physical realm desires that drive us. These chakras are located at your tailbone, and a little below the navel (to the left) as well as at your solar plexus. The other chakras include the heart, throat, third eye (between your eyebrows) and your crown (divination). These last four are more on the spiritual bend. There's lots of vague crossovers in Western society (AA's head, heart and guts comes to mind) but info related to chakra healing and power is usually sought out here rather than common everyday Western knowledge. I can go on lots more, but I don't think it's applicable. W/r/t Music manipulation, I do just want to say that there are specific tones and ranges that are associated with each chakra and they can vibrate specific parts of your body opening you up (hence my working through my chakras when dancing). Have you seen a crowd going off and when the dj plays the warm strings, high pitched sound and they raise their hands? To me, instincts are woken up deep within us and when we raise our hands, we're channeling divine light into us which is ineviteably to all of us and Mother Earth since were all connected. Again, just my opinion, and yeah, I know people raise their hands all the time to other tones/frequencies, but it seems accentuated when I hear warm strings. Your description below of what happens w/your energy w/tribal bass leads me to believe that you indeed feel a connection but didn't have the same terms to describe it as me...irregardless, it's all good! :) And w/r/t OBE, nah, you don't always have to indulge or imbibe to get out of your body but it's nice to sometimes ;) There's pathways each of us can tap into naturally to connect and transform...again, it's not common knowledge but training can be sought out. For me, just listening and dancing to music can transport me especially when dancing in the dirt barefoot outside. And yes, like you, I feel spirits and archetypical energies invoked some of these times. A friend of mine described his experimentation w/dancing and imbibing as follows: it's an elevator up to enlightenment and higher consciousness but you always come back down. The real task is to build the stepping stones in everyday life to reach the same station(s). I hope you like his description as much as I do. Building steps and getting higher... Love in white light, Diane ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: in body/out of body Author: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) at beluga-mail Date: 1/31/96 5:46 PM Diane Tabellija wrote: >Yes! A while back, I mentioned to the group that when I go off, I open up >and work through my chakras while dancing. ... (SNIP) > We spoke about how >the driving bass and funky groove lines get people to move their hips, >shake their booties and open up their lower chakras. Enlighten me: what is a chakra? >... so we're able to work through to our heart chakras and >ultimately to our crowns. Huh? I gotta tell you, when I dance, I'm not OB, I don't feel any chakras (or any other terms not part of the general public's vocabulary). On the other hand, I enjoy the hell out of dancing. I'm a bit of a show-off, so there's that, but with the right music -- usually something with tons of really heavy, driving, ancient, tribal bass -- there's a feeling of power, of energy coursing through me. In my mind, it's as though the other elements of the music are simply counterpoints to that booming; and then it's like something ancient, something that speaks to something eternal within. I feel the blood of ancestors long dead come to life within me, and we are one, dancing infinite, moving to that beat, the puissant thrum beyond hearing of the earth's timeless magma heart... Whoa...was I getting deep?...Sorry... 58-) > My brother, I like it when you get deep...it's beautiful because > it comes from the heart! At the Martin Luther King Jr. Spundae, I could have danced all night to some of the things that got spun, and it was because of that energy. But OBE? No, can't say that I have. I don't suppose this requires or is aided by chemical assistance? S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 15:51:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21094; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:51:41 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21082; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:51:34 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.205] (u2w36.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.205]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA29712 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:51:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:51:17 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Subject: Re: good government (long) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >First of all, I'd like to state that this IS opinion. No one person could >possibly carry all the [correct] answers to life in his own mind. And as >for the intense amount of information available, I've barely absorbed even >the most miniscule fraction.... > >I carry the belief, that whatever happens is what is suppose to happen, and >that the universe is unfolding as it should. (At least I aspire to live my >life based upon that belief). I'd like to applaud Timothy McIntyre for >preaching acceptance of society in its present state of of evolution, and >here is why: (snippitey snip) I agree with you partially, but I have a response to this: ever heard of Jean-Paul Sartre? He said almost exactly the same things you said; that something is only an obstacle if we choose to view it as such (I think the example used in my philosophy book from years ago was of a boulder in your path on a mountain road: you could either sit and whine about it which would get you knowhere or you could accept and have a picnic and be happy). Well, think that particular philosophy is problematic because it creates alot of "pushovers": people who don't see any reason to change the world so they just let it toss them around wherever it happens to move. I don't agree with that because it puts too much faith in mere chance and it denies any possibility of social change. How would the world look today if Martin Luther King had walked around Birmingham and seen all the injustices going on around him and said "well, what the heck, the back of the bus is pretty comfortable anyway so I might as well be happy there." Nothing would get done, and nothing would change. And you're right, this IS all opinion, and I don't claim to have all the answers either but I do enjoy a good friendly debate. (Which is why I stopped doing speech & debate in high school :) IMHO, -mikey. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 15:52:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21173; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:52:15 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21156; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:52:08 -0800 Received: from default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.66]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19335; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:51:30 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960202235152.006eb38c@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 15:51:52 -0800 To: "Aaron_Edsinger" From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Europe Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, John Carel Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; We(American's), at least me, could learn a lot from Europeans, and is. Attitudes, culture(a real appreiation for the classics which enters into their pop culture), laungage skills(we must end our monoligual society if we are to be true world citzens), law & order, & crime & punishment. I'm not saying that they can't learn a lot from us, as well. My friend tells me that they use to spin classical & trance together. OY!!!! SF, I dare a DJ here to try that. At 01:32 PM 2/2/96 -0800, you wrote: > >Wasting brain cells looking through the Chronicle at Macys ads and other >trash, I came across an interesting blurb about E on page A9, accompanied by a >cartoon of a happy chemist makin bacon..........:) > >ECSTASY CAN BE A PROBLEM > The Netherlands seems to be supplying much of Europe with Ecstasy, a >happy pill that can be produced with a school chemistry kit. When teenagers >die from MDMA, patented in 1914 and originally used as an appetite suppressant >for German troops, pressure grows on the Dutch government. France and Germany >have told the Netherlands that its lenient drug policies threaten the European >ideal of open borders. > The Dutch argue that they treat Ecstasy as a "hard" drug but that the >Netherlands happens to be one of the European Union's major distribution >centers for all goods. Is it a sin to have a good infrastructure? The >necessary chemicals, they say, come mainly from outside. And they have >statistics to show that their drug seizure totals compare favorably with those >of their accusers. > Give the danger, especially to liver and kidneys, why would anyone >take Ecstasy? Users report feelings of euphoria, love, and energy, just right >for an all night Rave. Alix Sharkey, writing in the London Guardian, says >teenagers recognize the "hype and hysteria" surrounding the drug and cannot be >intimidated. Sharkey quotes a physician saying a person is five times more >likely to die on a ski holiday in Switzerland than from taking Ecstasy. (The >Guardian also provides a chart showing what the drug costs at various British >locales--and where it's the real thing. Cheaper "cousins" abound.) > Meanwhile, Dutch entrepreneurs keep making their product -- and huge >profits. One producer, says the London Times, was convicted in 1992 and >sentenced to a year and a half in prison, which he hasn't served because a >Dutch prison has never "invited" him. Until it does, he can't go inside. As >his lawyer acknowledges, he's probably working. > > >----------------->aaron > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 15:59:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21776; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:59:21 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21769; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:59:15 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id PAA13786; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:59:05 -0800 X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:00:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: RE: DJ Equipment (again!) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk bart meijerink wrote: >Also with records you can tell by looking at >them when there's a break coming on. I even know people that >claim to be able to draw out the complete arrangement of a track >by carefully examining the grooves (?) on the record. You can see this stuff on CDs as well, though with much less detail. And not while they're playing, of course. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 15:59:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21815; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:59:36 -0800 Received: from blizzard.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA21728; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:58:57 -0800 Received: by blizzard.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA12708; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:58:43 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:48:07 -0800 (PST) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@blizzard.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) In-Reply-To: <9602010140.ZM8476@well> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Fred Heutte wrote: > Uh oh. First of all, FMRs were never held "every month of yore" at > Candlestick Park. In fact, I can't recall for sure but I don't believe > even one was ever held there. The Full Moon rave that was held at the water temple back a couple of years ago - there is a photo of it on the twenty hertz web page - was moved there after the San Mateo cops showed up and eventually got everyone to leave the water temple. There were no problems that time, but it is not the nicest area... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 16:01:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA22087; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:01:18 -0800 Received: from horatio.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA22027; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:00:28 -0800 Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by horatio.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id QAA24837 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:00:08 -0800 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9602021600.ZM24835@horatio.ucsf.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:00:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Chronicle blurb on E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi there, as a Dutch citizen/raver currently living in San Francisco (for three months now) it's pretty interesting to see the "Chronicle blurb on E" here on sfraves discussing the ecstasy situation back home: > The Netherlands seems to be supplying much of Europe with Ecstasy, a > happy pill that can be produced with a school chemistry kit. I'm afraid the synthesis (by coincidence, I am a chemist) is a bit trickier than what most people can do in their kitchen... :-( Several hard-to-get chemicals and equipment are required. > When teenagers > die from MDMA, patented in 1914 and originally used as an appetite suppressant > for German troops, pressure grows on the Dutch government. France and Germany > have told the Netherlands that its lenient drug policies threaten the European > ideal of open borders. yes, apparently Holland is one of the biggest exporters of MDMA in Europe, probably because of the Rotterdam harbor. An advantage is that usually prices are low and purity/quality is good, which makes life somewhat safer for the MDMA taking part of the population. There have been some reports of people dying at raves in the Netherlands but either these people took excessive amounts (25 pills in one go...) or already had liver problems at the time, overheated, dehydrated etc. Nothing new here. > The Dutch argue that they treat Ecstasy as a "hard" drug but that the > Netherlands happens to be one of the European Union's major distribution > centers for all goods. Is it a sin to have a good infrastructure? The > necessary chemicals, they say, come mainly from outside. Apparently former pharmaceutical industries in Eastern Europe have discovered a new market here... > And they have > statistics to show that their drug seizure totals compare favorably with those > of their accusers. The Dutch version of the "war on drugs" is to go mainly after the large-scale manufacturers/sellers and do not bother the individual user too much unless he/she uses in public or commits drug related crimes (theft, murder, whatever). > Meanwhile, Dutch entrepreneurs keep making their product -- and huge > profits. One producer, says the London Times, was convicted in 1992 and > sentenced to a year and a half in prison, which he hasn't served because a > Dutch prison has never "invited" him. Until it does, he can't go inside. As > his lawyer acknowledges, he's probably working. Being a small country we have a similar problem as the US, that is our prisons are overcrowded. In a case that there is little space, one prefers to put the rapist or murderer away first and the drug dealer later. I guess that makes some sense, doesn't it? Anyway it's fun lurking on this discussion group, in general, comparing to my experiences in The Netherlands for over the last 5 years, people here seem to be much more concerned with the "social" and "spiritual" aspects of the rave scene, while most people I hung out with in Europe appreciated "The Vibe" but for the rest took a more hedonistic point of view. Personally, on the attractions of the rave scene to me was the absence of an ideology like of the former generations punk & flower power. The peaceloving pot-smokers of the sixties are the politicians of today, and that is a scary thought... I haven't been raving much here in SF (yet), have been to Spundae at 1015 Folsom but found the music a bit slow. Perhaps I will check out the Mos Eisley out on Haight street which is not too far from where I live, is that considered to be good? Anyway, perhaps CU out there? The Frying Dutchman -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 16:04:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA22531; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:04:23 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA22507; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:04:09 -0800 Received: from default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.66]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA27200; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:03:56 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960203000417.006e6dd8@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:04:17 -0800 To: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: behavior Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; >They are the ones, who, right now are trying to find 1,000,0001 ways to >tear this post apart, piece by piece and put me in my place. It is because >this is what they do. They do it often, and they do it well. It is in their >personality makeup. They will find any word left out, any phallacy in logic >or loophole at which they can pick apart. Going off on tangents and not >sticking to the subjects at hand is another good one. Put simply, they are >the ones who DO NOT debate about the subject matter, but go right after the >jugular of their opponent's ego. Actually you do want some of these qualites at least one or two people around you, I usually look for these qualities in my lawyers. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 16:10:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA22955; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:10:12 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA22942; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:10:01 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id QAA14510; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:09:57 -0800 X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:11:28 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: "All in the Family" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk amyp@yosemite.examen.com wrote: >Wanted to let everyone know about a great party tonight. If anyone in the Santa Cruz area is thinking of heading up for this and can bring someone else along, let me know. Thanks. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 16:14:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23375; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:14:22 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23365; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:14:15 -0800 Received: from default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.66]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23363; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:00:49 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960203000112.006f5ccc@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:01:12 -0800 To: "Diane Tabellija" From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: Chakra Definition, OBE & Music Manipulation Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; I am aware of and feel certain chakra's; usually the water, fire & air chakra's. The water the most, this is cause I am a Cancer(Moonchild), and am the only sign exclusively ruled by the Moon(my mom). So of course what does the affect most, the earth gravity, what does gravity affect, water. Of course I've spent a lot of time inside myself(without chemicals, and it was part of my unformal training as a licensed massage therapist), and also with the guilded direction of others trying to help me become more AWARE of them. For they do exsist, as many other things do that we are just not aware of, yet!!!! 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 16:39:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25640; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:39:50 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25631; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:39:41 -0800 Received: from default (ppp418.liberty.com [206.17.67.82]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA10989; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:39:24 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960203003947.006dfc9c@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:39:47 -0800 To: "Ronald Knegtel" From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: In Defense of E, & Some E/Pharmaceutical Awareness Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; At 04:00 PM 2/2/96 -0800, you wrote: >I'm afraid the synthesis (by coincidence, I am a chemist) is a bit trickier >than what most people can do in their kitchen... :-( Several hard-to-get >chemicals and equipment are required. Damm straight it does. Anytime the word synthesis appears expect the difficulty level to increase by several orders of the magnitude, as well as cost. >> When teenagers >> die from MDMA, patented in 1914 and originally used as an appetite >suppressant >> for German troops, pressure grows on the Dutch government. France and >Germany >> have told the Netherlands that its lenient drug policies threaten the >European >> ideal of open borders. Ron, I'm not going off on you, hon. But I am sooooooooooo sick of the repressive, & anal right useing children & teenagers as the catch all save phrase for the nineties. Ok some facts people!!!! X was legal in this country until 1985, which means it had the gloriously conservative & anal FDA's seal of approval as a safe, nontoxic, therapuetic substance. Pick up a PDR, and you proabily won't find a medication listed in there that hasn't killed, harmed, or made a human being at least sick, not one, and in the name of health ta boot; hello!!!!! are you listening world. The level of understanding that's out there in the general public is sooo scary. These people typically think that human chemistry, medicine, & engineering are exact sciences, NOT!!!!!! Your constantly just trying to keep, what often seems like an infiniate number of variables down to some reasonable finite level. >people dying at raves in the Netherlands but either these people took >excessive amounts (25 pills in one go...) or already had liver problems >at the time, overheated, dehydrated etc. Nothing new here. I hear so many stories of people just being sooo unresponsible to themselves. 25 huh, I knew & saw this one aquaintance of mine in Florida take 8 of the Big Horse Pill dippled wafers, then do some uncut Special K(alot), & then some Heroin; and then actually wonder why he didn't feel good, ahHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, he lived, but I can say he was never quite the same. >> The Dutch argue that they treat Ecstasy as a "hard" drug but that the >> Netherlands happens to be one of the European Union's major distribution >> centers for all goods. Is it a sin to have a good infrastructure? The >> necessary chemicals, they say, come mainly from outside. > >Apparently former pharmaceutical industries in Eastern Europe have discovered >a new market here... > >> And they have >> statistics to show that their drug seizure totals compare favorably with >those >> of their accusers. > >The Dutch version of the "war on drugs" is to go mainly after the large-scale >manufacturers/sellers and do not bother the individual user too much unless >he/she uses in public or commits drug related crimes (theft, murder, whatever). > >> Meanwhile, Dutch entrepreneurs keep making their product -- and huge >> profits. One producer, says the London Times, was convicted in 1992 and >> sentenced to a year and a half in prison, which he hasn't served because a >> Dutch prison has never "invited" him. Until it does, he can't go inside. As >> his lawyer acknowledges, he's probably working. > >Being a small country we have a similar problem as the US, that is our prisons >are overcrowded. In a case that there is little space, one prefers to put >the rapist or murderer away first and the drug dealer later. >I guess that makes some sense, doesn't it? > >Anyway it's fun lurking on this discussion group, in general, comparing to >my experiences in The Netherlands for over the last 5 years, people here >seem to be much more concerned with the "social" and "spiritual" aspects >of the rave scene, while most people I hung out with in Europe appreciated >"The Vibe" but for the rest took a more hedonistic point of view. Personally, >on the attractions of the rave scene to me was the absence of an ideology >like of the former generations punk & flower power. The peaceloving pot-smokers >of the sixties are the politicians of today, and that is a scary thought... > >I haven't been raving much here in SF (yet), have been to Spundae at 1015 >Folsom but found the music a bit slow. Perhaps I will check out the >Mos Eisley out on Haight street which is not too far from where I live, >is that considered to be good? 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 18:10:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA01597; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:10:49 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA01590; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:10:46 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA14403 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:10:01 -0800 Received: (from sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA16254; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:05:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy McIntyre Subject: seeking wayne 'corea' (sp.?) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm trying to find wayne corea's (sp.?) email address/phone number/pager any of those three would be much appreciated; thanks sorry to post such a personal message see ya Timothy (sidewalk@uclink2) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 18:42:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05438; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:42:26 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05432; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:42:19 -0800 Received: from default (ppp412.liberty.com [206.17.67.76]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA15047 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:42:09 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960203024229.006df158@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 18:42:29 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: DJ Equipment (again!) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 15:40:51 -0800 >To: John Carel >From: Brian DarknEs^2 >Subject: Re: DJ Equipment (again!) > >BY YOUR COMMAND; > > A friend of mine in Florida is the total digital DJ, and he spins Trance using Denon CD stuff, he can be reached at djaj@dkmail.dkeep.com for comments or questions. Opps, he is also very good!!!!! > >At 11:59 AM 2/2/96 -0800, you wrote: >>>>>Just my point of view, I justed about 3 months ago spinning Trance. I picked >>>>>up two technics SL22BD...there a belt driven version of SL-1200 technics, >>>>>similar features but the knobs for the pitch or different. I also bought a >>>>>mixer that will at least do the job. I had huge 15 inch woofer and some mid >>>>>and tweets in a box for my old truck. I hooked it all up to a 12v converter >>>>>and I'm using a car stereo amp 200w per channel. This is my practice and >>>>>learning setup. I payed $149 a piece for the turn tables and $79 for the >>>>>mixer at the Good Guys. I had the speakers and amp for my old truck stereo >>>>>system. so all in all it didn't cost too much at all. It's good enough to >>>>>learn and practice on. When I started getting to the point were I can spin at >>>>>parties, I'll then buy a GOOD sound system. So to wrap it up as for as total >>>>>cost it was around $375-$400..plus records. Not to bad for begining I think. >>> >>>Most definitively not too bad. I'm looking at a Gemini CD-9500 dual CDplayer, >>>a MTX750 mixer, a 160 watt amp, a pair of 12" Soundtech's B2s and a Technics >>>dual tape deck. That would set me back something like $2700 incl tax+s&h. >>>Anyone know where I can get a better deal, or just have any comments on my >>>choice of equipment? >>> >>>.............................................................. >>>........:::::Jonas Hanning:::::.....:::::dabalhed:::::........ >>>...........:::::DJ Eskimo .. Plastiga Band Inc:::::........... >>>.............................................................. >> >> Jonas- I definately agree with bart on the vinyl thing. If you >>intend to only mix ambient, then CD's are good. A lot of ambient only comes >>out on CD's. But if you ever intend to mix dance music, then vinyl is >>crucial. I can't say that I've actually ever tried with CD's, but would >>imagine it nigh impossible. If you shop around long enough & check the >>classifieds, you should be able to pick up a pair of 1200's for $600 >>good luck. >> >> >> > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 18:44:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05541; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:44:01 -0800 Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05533; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:43:57 -0800 Received: from 206.80.8.44 (chum-44.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.44]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA03702 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:43:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3112BDF5.7ABE@hooked.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 18:44:21 -0700 From: stephan & Lydia X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfr Subject: shadows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi does any of you poeple know the # for shadow. I heard its tonight. thanks stephan :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 2 20:32:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA11746; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:32:21 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA11740; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:32:16 -0800 Received: from default (ppp408.liberty.com [206.17.67.72]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA09085 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:31:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3112E550.4D27@mail.liberty.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 20:32:16 -0800 From: Brian DarknEs^2 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ftp://hyperreal.com/drugs/mdma/mdma.heroin X-URL: ftp://hyperreal.com/drugs/mdma/mdma.heroin Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---------------------------713740268647" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -----------------------------713740268647 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BY YOUR COMMAND; Finally, someone with a brain, and I hope this ends the E/Herion farce. ftp://hyperreal.com/drugs/mdma/mdma.heroin sin bd > From: Nicholas Saunders > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 10:43:13 GMT > Newsgroups: alt.drugs > Subject: Ecstasy spiked with heroin and other rumours > > This is an edited version of an article in December issue of Eternity > mgazine > Rumours > You've probably heard stories of E being spiked with addictive and > poisonous substances. True, when you buy "Ecstasy" there's no quality > control and you may well get cocktails of other drugs, particularly when > the dealer has run out of MDMA. You may also get a dud. But not heroin or > poison. > Every day the police confiscate suspect drugs which are sent to a > forensic laboratory at Aldermaston specially equipped to detect drugs, > and they have never come across drugs sold as Ecstasy containing heroin. > People taken to hospital with possible drug problems have samples of > their blood sent to the National Poisons Unit which has special equipment > to detect drugs: heroin has not been found in the blood of patients > reported to have taken only Ecstasy. So how did the rumours start? > A year ago Time Out magazine ran a double page feature entitled "Bitter > Pills", subtitled "Ecstasy has turned to agony for thousands of E users" > as dealers spike tablets and capsules with heroin, LSD, rat poison and > crushed glass. The story was repeated all over the place, even in a > Danish newspaper. > I questioned the source quoted: Stephen Beard of the Newham Drugs Advice > Project. He was elusive, and when I finally I got him on the phone would > only say that the story came from a dealer who said he made fake Ecstasy > by crushing light bulbs. There was no supporting evidence such as lab > tests or reports from doctors who had treated users. The National Poisons > Unit told me there had been no recent cases of poisoning due to ground > glass or rat poison. Yet, in spite of my protests, Newham and Time Out > did nothing to correct the story. Likewise, Mixmag's recent feature on > Ecstasy omitted to mention the Glasgow tests showing that Ecstasy was not > contaminated, even though they had the results. Mixmag also said: "300mg > MDMA can kill a small girl" (the lowest lethal dose recorded in animal > trials was 20mg/kilo, or 300mg for someone weighing 15kg: a very small > girl); and "MDA is like strong LSD mixed with speed" (MDA has no LSD-like > effects, it is similar to MDMA but longer lasting and with less warmth). > Its as though no-one wants to undermine the established myths. > One of these came from a satirical song in the fifties called The Old > Dope Peddler: "He gives the kids free samples because he knows full well, > that today's young innocent faces will become tomorrow's clientele". Its > no more likely than your local wine merchant going to the trouble and > expense of injecting bottles with heroin, hoping that you will become an > addict to boost his sales. True, some dealers cheat by selling any old > white powder as Ecstasy, but cheats are unlikely to sell heroin at a loss > or go to the trouble of crushing light bulbs. > Most of the substitutes found in Ecstasy are not harmful, but can produce > unexpected effects. However, before you blame the pill, you should > realise just how important is the situation and you own expectations. In > fact, very few people realise and accept how much the effect of drugs > like Ecstasy depends on their own situation, and state of mind at the > time. My best E experience was caused by an identical tablet as one that > made a friend sick and another that had no effect (at a party in an > enclosed tunnel). > Remember that E is not simply a happy pill, but lowers your defences and > allows you to open up. However, it may be more comfortable to remain > defensive and reserved unless you are in a situation where you feel good. > E can bring up suppressed feelings which you may not be prepared to face. > More on situations to avoid and emotional dangers next month. > Deaths in Scotland > I have been trying to discover what caused the deaths at Hanger 13 - so > as to inform people and prevent more tragedies. I have even spoken to say > they know but can't tell because, mad though it seems, Scottish law > prohibits them from revealing cause of death. However, the Home Office > licensed Glasgow University to collect and analyse 15 samples of > "Ecstasy" after the deaths. 14 were pure MDMA and one was a capsule that > contained speed with just a trace of MDMA. So it seems unlikely that > these deaths were due to poisons sold as Ecstasy. Incidentally, doctors > who had talked to users of "Rhubarb and Custard" said they believed it > contained "MDMA plus a strong hypnotic" (e.g. heroin). In fact it was > pure MDMA. > A possibility, believed by the National Poisons Unit, is that these > people died from overheating which has been the cause of nearly all rave > deaths, particularly in clubs with nonstop hard core techno, no chill-out > area and no free water. The tragedy is that those people didn't know the > importance of avoiding overheating. The media love to say that people who > take Ecstasy risk dropping dead without warning, but the warning is clear > to those who look out for it: getting too hot. The risk can be avoided by > taking breaks, cooling off and drinking plenty of water. Overheating also > kills people who do not take drugs, but without drugs the discomfort is > more obvious. > Another theory is that the Scottish victims took Temazapam or Valium with > Ecstasy. Reports say the two taken together can "hit you like a hammer". > The lesson is: "Don't mix E with other drugs and don't take too much too > often". > > My book E for Ecstasy is completely sold out, but a revised edition is > freely available on Internet in two locations. You can download the book > in two files located at: ftp://ftp.hmc.edu/pub/drugs/mdma/e.for.ecstasy.Z > and e.for.ecstasy.append.Z. You can also browse through the book > on-screen and find references using hypertext: use World Wide Web and do > a Lycos search for Ecstasy. 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AAA03415; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 00:07:17 -0800 From: ptiger@sophistem.com (Purple Tiger) Newsgroups: list.sfraves To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: my way of going off Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 23:45:29 -0500 Organization: Purple Tiger Sophistems Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.84 with YES 0.20 Lines: 31 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk "I started trancing when I was about 12 during an interpretive dance class at a Catholic school." - Diane > I'd be curious to hear other people's versions of what makes them go off > and where it takes them. Do others of you feel that you need to get into > your body before going off? And lastly, what music does what to you. > > Luv, > Diane Since Amy took the trouble to snip out Diane's query, I thought I'd throw in my experiences. When I listen to trance, I tend to listen to it continously for weeks, at least 4 to 5 hours a day while I'm working or puttering around the house. I really like to listen to a kind of hard, fast trance, what Mars calls "cybertrance". Consequently, when I do get to a party, I've probably been going in and out of a trance state all day. I guess I don't need to warm up, and maybe that's why house doesn't have an attraction for me. Oddly enough, after listening to enough trance, I start to really enjoy jungle. It's like the trance stretches my brain enough so it can follow all the beats. PT -- < Purple Tiger (ptiger@sophistem.com) | http://www.cybernetix.com/~ptiger > < Sophistem = Sophisticated Software Systems > Do di di(TM) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 13:00:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16083; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:00:08 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16074; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:00:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Zimmerman To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ride to Area 51 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is anyone riding to Area 51 that would have extra space? three people if possilbe looking for rides from anyone heading down from the San Francisco area. we can meet up with at BART stations. or anywhere by public transportation. we can also generously reward anyone who could give a ride. includes free admission into the party (we pay) cost of gas and a dinner or breakfast (whichever one you would want) and maybe something else ;) if anyone can please give me a call at (415) 563-7572 =) doug ) ( doug@hyperreal.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 16:55:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA00966; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:55:55 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA00958; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:55:51 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:55:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: test note (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Eek - MoonPup's email address chenged from "moonpup@hooked.net" to "moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net", so the anti-spam part of majordomo kicked in and bounced messages instead of letting them pass. I'll forward the ones that didn't make it through... sorry MoonPup, it's all better now. :) Brian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:04:40 -0800 From: Milton Cecil To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: test note Hi, This is Monnpup testing the waters.......am I sending this to the correct e-mail address hi everyone I have been trying for too long (years) to figure out how to get hooked up on SFRaves, I think I have it now.................thanks to Wayne........ I never left S.F. just got tired of hearing rumors about me being a narc.....as well as all the negativaty etc.... perhaps I was looking (or playing) in all the wrong places.......I needed an ego check, as well as discover who I was a little more......blah blah blah !!!!old news........blah blah blah !!!!!! ..........I have enjoyed my recent gigs alot more as I no longer need to charge money to Dj...... ........I have a full time job that pays my bills...........my music is my hobby, no it's my passion..............I have seen too many Dj's just play records......I try to be creative in my appraoch to my sets..........I'm not over house music, but I do aim at a more funky and break beat style.......lots of tempo changes etc.....I love the trip hop sound.......as I used to play funk and rap etc.... in the PRE-RAVE (techno days 87'-88' etc....) so its natural to play funkier beats. only now I like the acid effects too. I have been going out a lot more lately........inspirational sets of late GARTH playing trip hop on the Santa Cruz Pier- this set was brought on by too much dancing and the records were skipping, so Garth wizely slowed it down and played about an hour of SERIOUS trip hop funky ass shit!!!!........I was in heaven Dj TOM from santa cruz -his set at the halloween party in Santa Cruz (in the ambient room) was fierce......fresh and original.......watch out for this Dj. he is very good !!! MINOR MINOR (Frank Minor) another very talented all around D.j. While minor minor is known for his techno music, I have heard him play slower tempos and he is very cool....... POLYWOG-I hit the shit when she played the theme from "close encounters of the 3rd kind" very fresh and original. Makes up her own rules etc......no faking it here. (and I wont say Woman Dj. she is a Dj period) which is more than I can say for some of the clowns I've heard lately..............!@#$%^&*(*#$%^&*)(*&^% DOC MARTIN -at the last wicked, doc blew me away with his set. The man has a charisma that is un-matched (although Carlos can work a crowd into a frenzy!!!!) his mixes were a tad sloppy, but his music and energy level overcame the mixing. thanks doc........I love you man.........honorable mention goes to Markie Mark, he played a remake of a JIMI HENDRIX track with the sample "excuse me while I kiss the sky" it was the shit.........I WANT THAT RECORD..........markie if your here, help me to find that record!!!!!! well enough of this shit ...............HI every one, thanks to all of those who has been supportive of me through my (retirement). i'm back and better than ever...PEACE my e-mail address is MOONPUP@hooked.net my phone # is 415-337-MOON (6666) P.S. I HAVE NEW AND OLD TAPES AT AMOEBA-OR YOU CAN ORDER TAPES FROM ME DIRECT........... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 16:58:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01134; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:58:44 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01114; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:58:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:41:10 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602021841.KAA18476@tuna.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: DJ choice ReSent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I feel Dj equipment is a personal choice.......while certainly tha technics 1200 has been the single most important item to any Dj in the last 15 plus years, it is possible to mix Cd's now. I have learned in the last 10 years how to mix Cd's. and like to incorperate any sound efx/tracks etc...I can offer...............I now find myself playing BOTH during a set..........as I did at the last Raindance........I could'nt have played a set if I was all viynl or all CD's.......I have learned to take the best of both, If I cant find a cut on vinyl but have a cd copy, I will play that copy. and vice versa..........so you see it is a total personal choice thing..........I do not condemn any Dj who only plays vinyl as he/she has yet to discover cd mixing.......similar to all this old school/new school rubbish.....you are who you are, you are what you play and and I enjoyed some special parties in the old days (L.A & S.F.) and I have enjoyed recent parties too, I think if you were lucky enough to have gone to full moons at candlestick (3com) more power to you..........I had some outragious times at the OLD full moons, but if I look carefully I can still find a outragious good time.....its all in how you pick your parties........the only difference now is you have a lot of new and unknown Dj's....... gone are the days of exclusively seeing Jeno.Garth,Thomas.Markie Mark, Doc Martin, Moonpup,Carlos,Ernie Munson,Dj Dan,Dutch, ETC ETC ETC......... these Dj's are all still around only now we have the likes of Tracy, Minor Minor, Dj Tom, Polywog, etc... etc.... etc....many many many unheard of talents...............so don't compare that was then and this is now Raving always was and always will be as fun as you allow it to be.......and personally I find as many good events to go to now as I found before........as many of you know I went into a retirement for 2 years because I got too involved in the negative side of raving.......who do I blame......ME ME ME, there was always a good positive side, it was me who allowed myself to be sucked in by the negative (drugs, rumors, posse's etc...) and it was me that allowed myself to see the positive again......and so now I am back better than ever (well I have been practicing) and healthier than ever...my spirits are so high now.....I have missed you all and hope to meet you again soon.....heres to the now..............and too the future !!!!!! P.s. without jeno, doc,garth, thomas etc..... there would be no carlos,dutch,moonpup, etc.......and so it goes ........without carlos, dutch, moonpup, etc...... there would be no tracy, polywog etc............and without todays working Dj's there would be no future Dj's to inspire............keep up the positive vibe............more power to the new generation.......we all inspire each other...................... moonpup@hooked.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 16:58:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01178; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:58:54 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01171; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:58:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:39:23 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602021939.LAA25282@chum.hooked.net> To: Jonas Hanning , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: denon cd player ReSent-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:58:50 -0800 (PST) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jonas, I have found that for approx $1100+ you can purchase the Denon DN2000F It has been an excellent tool for mixing cd,s with, I have had one approximately 1 year now. and have been able to fool people with tapes that they thought were vinyl mixes. if you want to come over to my place and try it out just call me at 415-337-MOON or e-mail me and we will set up a time. I live in the city by city college....easy access by car or public transportation...................... moonpup@hooked.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 16:59:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01233; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:59:42 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01224; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:59:39 -0800 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:59:39 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: A Concerned Note to Promoters (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:50:53 -0800 From: Tony Rotundo To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: A Concerned Note to Promoters Hi all you beautiful people! I want to bring up something that gets a lot of grumbling, but I don't know if it's been truly addressed yet. Acme Theater Safety. I will be to the point. From my observations there, I would like to recommend the following to promoters of parties there: 1) The person/people working the door can, and know how to open the garage door at the entrance. They should probably practice once or twice before a party. That door should probably be left unlocked. 2) Most people don't know that there's a door going from upstairs to down stairs in the middle of the building. Upstairs it's near the bathroom, and it leads to a closed section downstairs that is the "gallery." A door from there leads outside onto (is it) Howard Street. I think a sign should be posted on that door saying "Emergency Exit." Even if they can't be unlocked, those doors could be dislodged in the event of any emergency. 3) Fire extinguishers be present at parties. And the people be able to operate them. I have not seen the downstairs (basement), so I can't offer suggestions there. Please, I'm serious, if you have a party there, ask yourself how the hell you can get all of the people outside fast, in a panic situation. I don't know about you, but there are a hell of a lot of people I love that could get hurt or killed if we aren't proactive about taking precautions. This scene is a marvel, not only for a raving community, but for a community in general, in the way everyone looks out for one another. We should not lose sight of that. Thanks for taking this seriously. Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 17:16:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA02908; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:16:40 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA02891; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:16:36 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.87] (g34-87.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11736; Sat, 3 Feb 96 20:15:29 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 20:20:22 -0500 To: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: thoughts and a URL Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:19 PM 2/2/96, Sean Nomura wrote: >I carry the belief, that whatever happens is what is suppose to happen, and >that the universe is unfolding as it should. (At least I aspire to live my >life based upon that belief). I'd like to applaud Timothy McIntyre for >preaching acceptance of society in its present state of of evolution, and >here is why: > >___________________________________________________________________________ >_____ >People have been aware of [the] UNCONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE OF REALITY and its >affect on consciousness (and personality) for centuries. According to >theory, there are seven levels of consciousness. > >Levels 1-3 deal with the most basic (earthly) gratifications of stemming >from imbalances in the personality (i.e. id, ego, superego). Most (all) of >the motivations from these individuals come from fear-based programming. >Disheartening as it is may seem, the majority of the population constantly >moves between these three levels of of consciousness. > >It is these individuals whose pictures, ideals, and concepts of reality do >not match actual reality. In other words, this person is strongly attached >to the picture of the world programmed in his own mind. More often than >not, the real world will not match that programmed world. > >The stronger the person's motivation to impose his own programmed ideal of >what the world "should" or "shouldn't" be like on the real world is >proportional to the strength of the person's attachment to his programmed >(illusionary) picture. Stated thusly, an attachment to an ideal whose >strength is such that it is a([n] illusionary) need, and is not congruent >with reality, is an addiction. > >Let's take a look at a simple example. Let's say you're driving home from >work and you suddenly run into what seems to be miles and miles of bumper >to bumper traffic. Instead of calmly (and joyfully) accepting what is going >on around you, you begin to feel a state change - a sense of irritation, >and perhaps even anger. > >Why is this happening? It is because the picture (ideal) inside of your >head does not match what is actually going on around you. So strong is the >attachment (desire) of wanting to get home and the picture (ideal) of not >wanting to be stuck in *that darned* traffic, that an undesireable state >change sets in. Thus, the expression of the non-acceptance of the reality >surrounding you. > >It is easy to see, that the more addictions a person may possess, the less >sense of peace, love, and tranquility felt within. I'm totally in agreement with this, though i am finding it really really REALY hard to live it lately :( Well, anything of importance always comes with a bit of a struggle. I can't add much to what Sean said, other than point all of you in the direction of this one web site i found which has been really helpful for me to re-align my self and priorities lately. It's at: http://www.asc.org/mm_book.html Definitely worth a look-see! :) > >Anytime someone preaches their disdain and/or implants disdain toward >society, or races or cultures, the police dept., etc., they are not only >carrying themselves into lower levels of consciousness, but inviting it >upon others. Again, these are total words of wisdom, I am reminded of a section of "Be Here Now" (the book, not the party (one of my fave flyers of all time, btw) wherin there is a little cut out picture of a man and a woman with various "barbie-style" clothes that are put on, one of them being a police uniform, an other being 'hippy clothes,' we really are one species underneath. We all feel pain, we're all hurt by things regardless of our race, profession, hairstyle and musical choice. I'm doing my best to keep this in mind at all times so i can keep myself off (or at least on the periphery) of the bad vibes karma wheel ;) peace, brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 22:21:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA22129; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:21:52 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA22122; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:21:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199602040621.WAA22122@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 22:12:29 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: NON RAVE! GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- as the resident catholic on sfraves, i have taken the liberty to post the following message which is rather disturbing to me and other members of the glbt community, and, i would hope, all thinking, feeling, compassionate people. read and, if you're like me, weep, and wonder what you can do to stop the hate. peace, love, and rage- matt l. >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >Contact: Loren Javier > (213) 658-6775 > javier@glaad.org > >GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET > >LOS ANGELES, CA -- February 1, 1996 -- The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against >Defamation (GLAAD) reports the proliferation of Web sites devoted to hate >and anti-gay rhetoric is alarming. The Radical Right, White Supremacists >and the Neo-Nazis are among the top groups posting misleading information >about the gay and lesbian community on the Internet, the organization says. > > >"Such obvious hatred being transmitted via a public forum like the Internet >is a blatant example of how easy it is to marginalize a group of people in >an attempt to make them appear inferior," said Loren Javier, GLAAD's >Director of Information Systems, "One Web site entitled, 'Intolerance of, >Discrimination Against, and the Death Penalty for Homosexuals is Prescribed >in the Bible,' is a venomous attack on the gay community. It is >distressing when "pro-family" quasi-religious groups like the American >Family Association post articles and pamphlets in the form of educational >material which in fact threaten the existence of lesbians and gay men. >Both produce the same results - fear, hatred and intolerance." > >GLAAD is researching and monitoring the Internet and maintains a list of >URLs (Uniform Resource Locators) that link hate sites. "We are also >attempting to quantify the increase in violence acts against lesbians and >gay men and an increase in the availability of hate materials from groups >that maintain these Web pages," he said. According to the National Gay and >Lesbian Task Force, there has been close to a 100 percent increase >nationally in anti-gay homicides between 1992 and 1994. Anti-violence >projects nationwide also report an increase in other acts of violence >against lesbian and gay men. > >"The spread of hatred is reaching epidemic proportions and now has a much >wider audience because of the Internet," Javier said. "GLAAD is opposed to >censorship in any form, but these kind of lies and misinformation cause >extensive damage and that raises our concern. Whenever anyone attempts to >justify discrimination on the basis of age, sex, race, religion, disability >or sexual orientation, it gives a green light to those individuals who >think nothing wrong of acting on their impulses. Calling for a death >penalty for all homosexuals is but one extreme example," he said. > >Examples of extremist materials available via the Internet include >"Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths," "The Homosexual Lie," "The >True Objective of 'Gay Rights': Total Domination!," "Homosexual Groups: >Organized Sex Perverts on the March," "Homosexual Practices: Self-Loathing >In Action," "Homosexuals: A Clear and Present Danger to our Children," "The >Gay Agenda," "AIDS and God's Wrath!," and "The Homosexual Threat." > >Groups that consistently post anti-gay rhetoric on their Web sites include >the American Family Association, Skinheads USA, The Christian Coalition, >the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, American Life League, Aryan Nations, The >Creators Rights Party, Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum, The Constitution >Action Party, Promise Keepers, Stormfront White Nationalists, The Family >Research Council, National Alliance and Christian Leadership Ministries, >The Constitution Action Party, the 700 Club, Exodus International and the >Rutherford Institute. > >For a more complete list of hate web sites or to report a new hate site, >contact Loren Javier at javier@glaad.org or call (213) 658-6775. > >GLAAD is a national organization that promotes fair, accurate and inclusive >representation of individuals and events in the media as a means of >challenging discrimination based on sexual orientation or identity. > >## > >****************************************************************************** >Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) >glaad@glaad.org >http://www.glaad.org > >The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, GLAAD, is a national >organization that promotes fair, accurate and inclusive representation of >individuals and events in the media as a means of combatting homophobia and >all forms of discrimination based on sexual orientation or identity. >**************************************************************************** >** > > matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 22:30:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA22625; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:30:07 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA22620; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:30:05 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA12438 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:30:02 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA22598 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:29:47 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199602040629.WAA22598@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: new moon To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:29:46 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 218 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey kids, the moon is dark on the 20th...we're gonna gather...Come play with us! Vision circle around 10. Bring fruit, cozy stuff, sacred objects for alter and your groovin' happy vibes. Peace&Love michelle & ann From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 3 22:52:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA23603; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:52:02 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA23595; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:51:59 -0800 From: CU303@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA03540 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:51:26 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: <960204015125_311986319@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ** jon williams needing ride to Area 51 ** Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk jon's computer has crashed so i'm posting this for him - he's stuck without a ride so if anyone can get him from sf to santa cruz please call him at 415-626-7707 otherwise there'll be a long silent gap in the middle of the party! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 01:13:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA04788; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:13:33 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA04783; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:13:30 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA27482 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:13:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:13:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199602040913.BAA27482@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: NON RAVE! GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >hello all- > >as the resident catholic on sfraves, i have taken the liberty to post the >following message which is rather disturbing to me and other members of the >glbt community, and, i would hope, all thinking, feeling, compassionate >people. read and, if you're like me, weep, and wonder what you can do to >stop the hate. > >peace, love, and rage- > >matt l. First, given the semi-spiritual, love and peace topics this forum tends to generate, I think this is absolutely acceptable as a rave list subject. Second, I have to admit, I'm forever stunned and appalled at the crap that will bubble to the surface of society. Hate on the web. Amazing. I guess I just didn't think members of the KKK and other white supremist groups would be intelligent enough to type, much less use a computer. I mean, what with the limited gene pool extensive inbreeding results in, most of them don't have the correct number of fingers to type with anyway. What trash these people are, what unmitigated wastes of human life, of perfectly good space and air. Thanks so much for bringing this situation to light. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 01:35:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA05423; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:35:13 -0800 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA05414; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:35:10 -0800 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.3/UCD3.4.3) id BAA07426; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:35:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:35:03 -0800 (PST) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Record player thing (NONRAVE) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry to take up bandwidth again with something that might seem lame, but... I recently got ahold of a Scott Belt Drive Turntable (model PS60C Suffix A, manufactured May 1989) missing a belt and a cartridge. So I did what most people would think to do and went to my local Radio Shack and asked to be helped. Well, the guys at Radio Shack (including the guys on the other end of the phone behind the counter at Radio Shack) had no reference numbers at all for parts for this turntable. So they suggested I call Scott (H. H. Scott, Inc., 5601 West Side Ave., North Bergen, New Jersey 07047 U.S.A.) Seemed reasonable. So I called New Jersey in search of Scott and they had no listings for them. Sooooo what I am wondering is if any of you folks have any ideas about getting a belt and a cartridge for this puppy. It sure would be nice to be able to listen to records, so I hope you have some ideas (and no, I can't go out and bu a 1200 so don't suggest that :D). Thanks a lot again for all your help. Peace and happy vibes!! --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 03:01:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA12660; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 03:01:09 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA12655; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 03:01:07 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id DAA12415; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 03:00:30 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 03:00:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199602041100.DAA12415@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Test: ignore To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 07:31:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA25049; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 07:31:02 -0800 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA25037; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 07:30:59 -0800 Received: from pp000267 by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id JAA06012; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:40:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:40:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199602041440.JAA06012@smtp1.interramp.com> X-Sender: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com (Paul Richard) Subject: Re: NON RAVE! GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 01:13 AM 2/4/96 -0800, SDream wrote: >>hello all- >> >>as the resident catholic on sfraves, i have taken the liberty to post the >>following message which is rather disturbing to me and other members of the >>glbt community, and, i would hope, all thinking, feeling, compassionate >>people. read and, if you're like me, weep, and wonder what you can do to >>stop the hate. >> >>peace, love, and rage- >> >>matt l. > >First, given the semi-spiritual, love and peace topics this forum tends to >generate, I think this is absolutely acceptable as a rave list subject. > >Second, I have to admit, I'm forever stunned and appalled at the crap that >will bubble to the surface of society. Hate on the web. Amazing. I guess >I just didn't think members of the KKK and other white supremist groups >would be intelligent enough to type, much less use a computer. I mean, what >with the limited gene pool extensive inbreeding results in, most of them >don't have the correct number of fingers to type with anyway. What trash >these people are, what unmitigated wastes of human life, of perfectly good >space and air. > I am normally a lurker in temporary exile on the right coast, trying to keep abreast of the scene in my beloved Bagdhad by the Bay. As a Catholic, a member of the GLBT community (however defined), and a parttime member of the SF Senior Rave Posse, I have to throw in my $.02. The hatred and general lack of awareness that exists in our world and on the Net IS appalling. However, IMHO, calling people names, or casting aspersions on their geneology or genetic makeup will not bring them around to a more enlightened point of view. One of the things I have learned from raving is that exposure to and a trusting attitude toward people who are different from me goes a long way towards building a new community that doesn't labor under the old hatreds and stereotypes. One can pity the ignorance that causes irrational hatred without denying the humanity of those who spout such nonsense. None of which is to say we should expose our backs to the hatemongers. In the spirit of taking wisdom from wherever it's offered, I commend to all of you Ronald Reagan's famous line about the Russians, "trust, but verify." Yes, we have to educate, but we cannot afford to simply dismiss these folx as something less than human. A very happy weekend to all from the frozen wastes of our Nation's capital. Love, Paul Paul Richard pp000267@interramp.com Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita mi ritrovai per una selva piu' bella, che la diretta via era scoperta. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 08:02:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA26628; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:02:39 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA26622; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:02:35 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id IAA19623; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:02:32 -0800 X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:04:03 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Area 51 at the beach Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone know if the Area 51 post-party on the beach is going on? Where? anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 11:50:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09838; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:50:23 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAB09833; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:50:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199602041950.LAB09833@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 96 11:41:03 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: NON RAVE: life cycle of a mailing list Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- got this in the mail today from laugh of the day, and i found it appropriate, especially for the sfraverfamilymembers. enjoy it and laugh!!! peace, love, and chuckles- matt l. >****************************************************************************** > Be sure to visit LaughWEB (http://www.misty.com/laughweb/) >****************************************************************************** > >*File Description: The Natural Life Cycle Of a Mailing List* > > >THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS > >Every list seems to go through the same cycle: > >1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush alot about > how wonderful it is to find kindred souls). > >2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, > and brainstorm recruitment strategies). > >3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads > develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up). > >4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of > information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as > well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease > each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; > everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable asking > questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions). > >5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases > dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people > start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens > to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet > topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten > up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than > is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed). > >6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks > an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies > are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor > issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are > limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time > self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic > threads off the list). >OR > >6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants > stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; > many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list > lives contentedly ever after). > > >****************************************************************************** >LAUGH OF THE DAY - A service of LaughWEB (http://www.misty.com/laughweb/). > >To unsubscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@world.std.com, with text: > unsubscribe lotd email_address >Where "email_address" is the address you used when you subscribed to lotd. > >For more information about Laugh Of The Day or LaughWEB, send email to: > joeshmoe@world.std.com >with a SUBJECT header of: > info laugh > >To subscribe to lotd, point your web browser to: > http://world.std.com/~joeshmoe/laughweb/lotd_subscribe.html > >The URL of today's laugh: > http://www.misty.com/laughweb/computer/the.natural.life.cycle.of.a.mailing.list >****************************************************************************** >Warning - Material contained in this document might be considered offensive. >Please read our disclaimer: > http://www.misty.com/laughweb/laughweb.disclaimer.txt >****************************************************************************** > > matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 11:50:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA09870; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:50:35 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA09858; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:50:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199602041950.LAA09858@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 96 11:41:18 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: Re: GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- however angry i get at the hatred in the world, i must agree with paul when he states: >However, IMHO, calling people names, or casting >aspersions on their geneology or genetic makeup will not bring them around >to a more enlightened point of view. One of the things I have learned from >raving is that exposure to and a trusting attitude toward people who are >different from me goes a long way towards building a new community that >doesn't labor under the old hatreds and stereotypes. One can pity the >ignorance that causes irrational hatred without denying the humanity of >those who spout such nonsense. None of which is to say we should expose our >backs to the hatemongers. In the spirit of taking wisdom from wherever it's >offered, I commend to all of you Ronald Reagan's famous line about the >Russians, "trust, but verify." Yes, we have to educate, but we cannot >afford to simply dismiss these folx as something less than human. however angry i get, i cannot, while simultaneously calling myself a catholic and a raver, insult the people who call me names. the people who persecuts the glbt community (and would probably do the same to ravers if they knew about us) are people, too, and their feelings of hatred come from a genuine human soul, heart, and mind. this is the time when "love your neighbor" really comes to mind, however difficult it is, and it is very difficult for me to love them in the face of their lack of love. peace, love, and hope for the now- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 13:52:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA19080; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:52:52 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA19065; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:52:47 -0800 Received: from default (ppp408.liberty.com [206.17.67.72]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA32471; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:52:15 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960204215236.006ee0a4@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1996 13:52:36 -0800 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: NON RAVE! GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; I think if they can ban Gay & Lesbian Topics from the net, I think they should also ban hate topics, just to be fair. Because I find their so called views of love & religion disgraceful, & obsence. At 01:13 AM 2/4/96 -0800, you wrote: >>hello all- >> >>as the resident catholic on sfraves, i have taken the liberty to post the >>following message which is rather disturbing to me and other members of the >>glbt community, and, i would hope, all thinking, feeling, compassionate >>people. read and, if you're like me, weep, and wonder what you can do to >>stop the hate. >> >>peace, love, and rage- >> >>matt l. > >First, given the semi-spiritual, love and peace topics this forum tends to >generate, I think this is absolutely acceptable as a rave list subject. > >Second, I have to admit, I'm forever stunned and appalled at the crap that >will bubble to the surface of society. Hate on the web. Amazing. I guess >I just didn't think members of the KKK and other white supremist groups >would be intelligent enough to type, much less use a computer. I mean, what >with the limited gene pool extensive inbreeding results in, most of them >don't have the correct number of fingers to type with anyway. What trash >these people are, what unmitigated wastes of human life, of perfectly good >space and air. > >Thanks so much for bringing this situation to light. > >S > > 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 13:56:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA19680; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:56:53 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA19609; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:56:43 -0800 Received: from default (ppp408.liberty.com [206.17.67.72]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02155 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:56:31 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960204215652.006e3a78@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1996 13:56:52 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Gay & Lesbian Stuff (Very Brief) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Though I think I'm straight, I have a special relationship with the Gay community; for the way I look at it, they are the front line liberals. If they start openly discriminating against them, I can be assured that it's not to long before they will come for me. Think about where you're at in the hiearchey, I do and it scares be. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 15:35:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25871; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:35:15 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA25866; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:35:12 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tjDxC-000D8PC; Sun, 4 Feb 96 15:34 PST Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:34:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: rave related! Gay & Lesbian Stuff (Very Brief) To: Brian DarknEs^2 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960204215652.006e3a78@199.89.140.103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Feb 1996, Brian DarknEs^2 wrote: > BY YOUR COMMAND; > > Though I think I'm straight, I have a special relationship with the > Gay community; for the way I look at it, they are the front line liberals. > If they start openly discriminating against them, I can be assured that it's > not to long before they will come for me. Think about where you're at in the > hiearchey, I do and it scares be. > 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... > see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ yup, first they'll get rid of teh gay community, and then next up is those damn ravers, theyre too open minded, and stand out against the existence of racism and teh such.... how hard will it be to use the media to destroy our community. a lot harder if we are all together, and support teh gay and lesbian community and they can help support us. unity, and rave related:) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 16:20:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28431; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:20:16 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA28409; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:20:12 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA07034 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:20:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:20:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199602050020.QAA07034@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >hello all- > >however angry i get at the hatred in the world, i must agree with paul when >he states: >>However, IMHO, calling people names, or casting >>aspersions on their geneology or genetic makeup will not bring them around >>to a more enlightened point of view. (snip) >>One can pity the >>ignorance that causes irrational hatred without denying the humanity of >>those who spout such nonsense. (snip) >however angry i get, i cannot, while simultaneously calling myself a >catholic and a raver, insult the people who call me names. the people who >persecuts the glbt community (and would probably do the same to ravers if >they knew about us) are people, too, and their feelings of hatred come from >a genuine human soul, heart, and mind. Ok, yes, I was trying to be humorous, but I was serious to a certain extent. I'm angry to that point that I nearly mirror their hatred. I can't stand what these people represent. But let me share something with you. I've met some of these people, and you know what? They don't want to be enlightened. The extreme, and even not so extreme, ones honestly, fervently, and to their last breath believe it's their duty to socially, economically, and where possible, physically destroy anyone that's not a hetero WASP. You are absolutely correct that these views are born of a persistent ignorance that is handed down generation to generation. I've seen small children being taught to recite the most incredibly hateful things; galling, spiteful, ignorant things. Their minds are starting out from their earliest days twisted by an evil they can't possibly understand at that point. There was a special a while back on ShowTime about racism, and part of it dealt with how it's handed down to the children, how they're raised believing the most horrible things, taught to them by their parents. And these people are usually on the bottom rungs of our society, what folks back South call PWTs, or Poor White Trash. The ones I've met and seen on TV always seem to possess a poor education, live in equally discriminatory families, and perceive no real power or control over their lives. I have a theory that the pool of hatred in this country is kept burning by the jealousy they feel when they live futile, meaningless lives and they must put the blame on someone. Ok, having said all that, I agree, they're humans. We should follow the Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And as the Torah puts it (paraphrased), do not to others that which you would not have done to you. Let's turn the other cheek, let's treat them as humans with deep-seated and dangerous emotional problems. Let's do what we can to cure this disease, to open their eyes, to enlighten them and make them better people. But let's also keep in mind that this hatred will always be with us. The sentiments you express are beautiful and wise, but I'm a realist. I put it to you that they would instantly change if they looked around and saw no one else like themselves. The problem is, they are a distinct and complete society within themselves. They nurture and support each other's hate. We may win the occasional convert, but It is a living and breathing thing, and God help us, we are trapped here with It. And the frustration that I feel is what causes the bile to rise in me and the anger to burn. I would never act violently on it, but my conviction is strong and I will give no quarter to these people as long as they hold on to their hatred and continue to damage other people in the name of that hatred. Most Sincerely, Todd Grigsby From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 16:45:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29876; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:45:38 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29871; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:45:34 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA22935; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:45:29 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9602041645.ZM22932@well> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:45:28 -0800 In-Reply-To: Brian Behlendorf "test note (fwd)" (Feb 3, 4:55pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Brian Behlendorf , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: test note (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I can't tell y'all how pleased I am that good ole Moonpup finally showed up right here on sf-raves. Welcome, and welcome back! Anyone who's seen your CD mixing sets lately knows there's more than a few tricks in da dawg :) c u in the future phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 18:33:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05996; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:33:59 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA05991; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:33:55 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tjGkb-000D8iC; Sun, 4 Feb 96 18:33 PST Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:33:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: full moon tonite? To: anyone??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk does anyone know if theres a full moon tonite? i mean a party, looking outside my window, it looks pretty full... thanks:) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 19:26:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA10979; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:26:26 -0800 Received: from also.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10974; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:26:23 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by also.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA24875; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:26:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:26:20 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602050326.TAA24875@also.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: thank-you all !!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would just like to thank those of you who are welcoming me to SFRaves, I feel like I did when I first came to SF 4 years ago, I was welcomed by many at the time, and while many of those people turned their backs on me in my time of need, I have dicovered that I still have many fellow SFRavers who share some of the same visions that I do. It is so refreshing............. .............I would like to thank the FnF family and the gateway crew for giving me an opportunity to play when others wouldn't. Also thanks to Raindance. I needed your help & support to help to spread the music I have inside me.. ..I get so frustrated when I go out and get inspired by other Dj's (the good Dj's inspire me with awsome sets and music, while the shit Dj's inspire me to sound better than they did that night) and then come home and blow the tops off my speakers, with no one to share my creativity with........ ..........things are changing for me, and now I have outlets to release my energy again.....THANK YOU ALL AGAIN...... ......I am not too good at letting people get too close to me for fear of getting hurt, but I am meeting so many cool people in the last 6 months, that I am opening up again, those of you who are so good to me THANKS...... .......and I couldn't go without saying hi to all my favorite female friends.......you are all very inspirational to me, as I watch you dance and frolic your way in and out of my life.....I am so lucky to have friends like you....... moonpup 415-337-6666 moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 20:38:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA15489; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 20:38:42 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA15484; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 20:38:38 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA22145; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 20:33:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 20:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Lee Fogel cc: Grigsbeast , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Bad Apples & Bad Laws (was law & order) In-Reply-To: <9602010404.AA11196@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on Wed, 31 Jan 1996, Lee Fogel shared: > > > I would really love that, that would just tickle me pink, but I don't think > > > it's possible given the number of "bad apples" we have in our current > > > society... > > > > Every time I see this discussion go by, a similar point is made. It's > > never that _I_ would ever do anything bad, you see, it's all those > > _other_ people... > > > > Who are all these "other" people that we're so scared of? And how come > > none of us is one? > > Well, I'm one. For starters, If I knew that law-and-order wasn't > being enforced, I wouldn't be stopping at all the red lights. > Why? Because I trust my own judgement over a bunch of > blind rules. But do you? > > > Call me wacky... > > OK. Just don't drive that way while I'm on the road. > > Lee Lee just happened to touch on one of my favorite ideas that I like to throw out there when I want to hear people tell me just how nuts I really am... :) ...this being that traffic laws should be purely advisory. In other words, a red light means "It's a *very* good idea to stop here until it turns green, for your own safety and that of other drivers, but if you feel you can run it safely, go ahead -- it's your judgement call. There won't be a cop waiting to pull you over unless you cause an accident." There's no law against running down a crowded sidewalk, but surely there's more risk involved in this activity than say in going 75 mph on the freeway or running a red light at a deserted intersection at 2:00 am. I don't think Lee is a bad apple just because he trusts his own judgement in a given situation over that of a person who set a speed limit or put up a road sign or traffic light to cover all persons on the road and all possible circumstances. On the contrary, Lee's willingness to rely on his own judgement strikes me as evidence of his ability to function as an adult and take responsibility for his actions. I would only ask that he extend the same trust and respect to the rest of us. What's the "rave angle" in this post? Simply that all the hassle we get for dancing without permits, putting restricted substances into our own bodies, etc., is based on the same principle as the traffic laws -- that we're just too fucking dumb and reckless to take care of ourselves. Peace, <<< Starchild >>> ______________________________________________________________________________ "Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down." -Newsweek Magazine, April 25, 1960, p. 70 ______________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 21:49:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA20104; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:49:50 -0800 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA20099; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:49:48 -0800 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA01522; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:49:13 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:49:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199602050549.VAA01522@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Infinity Project To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all Just picked up a new cd, probably you all know about it, but for those of you who don't, check out "Mystical Experiences" by the Infinity Project, really killer ambient! (thanks to Adam & F8 for recommending it) My favorite is track 10, which is 20 minutes & 0 seconds long. Almost kinda spooky, I sat down to listen to it, closed my eyes, & found myself floating around in outer space for quite some time! Total meditation music, you come to with a nice smile on your face when its over. Highly recommended! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 22:12:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA21238; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:12:04 -0800 Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA21227; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:11:56 -0800 Received: from [206.104.207.17] (pm1-16.magicnet.net [206.104.207.17]) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA21004 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:11:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199602050611.BAA21004@magicnet.magicnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:20:19 +0000 To: From: cdb@magicnet.net (chris & perry domingo) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Promoter in Orlando looking to book DJ DUTCH from S.F. Can anyone help? Chris Domingo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 23:27:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA25215; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:27:00 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA25206; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:26:57 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA22285 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:25:37 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id XAA09349 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:25:36 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199602050725.XAA09349@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: non-rave: q for the law-and-order types To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:25:35 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1622 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk One of the arguments that keeps popping up for "why we need government" seems to be the "human nature" argument -- that people are basically aggressive, territorial, and nasty, and that we need a government to protect us from our nature. I have one question: Who runs this government? Impartial aliens from Betelgeuse? A government is an organization started, maintained, and entirely composed of people. Therefore, if you believe that human nature is essentially nasty, the government will also be composed of nasty people, and everything will always be hopeless, since who's going to tell us differently? Unless you believe that a world of nasty people will somehow permit a small clique of nice people to tell them what to do...? Isn't that against the very nature of nastiness that prompts this argument in the first place? I do not believe that humans are hopeless, and this list (for starters) is a great counterexample. And since I don't believe that humans are hopeless, or that government is composed of impartial aliens from Betelgeuse, I like to think that we can figure out how to survive without it, and that surviving without government is an easier and more satisfying challenge than trying to figure out how to avoid its depredations. ObRave: My bet for the next predominant musical style: grind, which is basically jungle played at more normal house speeds, or looking at it another way, drum&bass trip-hop. Anyway, it has the intricate drum patterns and deep bass of jungle, at a more SFO housey tempo. Precursor to the style: MBM's "Babylon" (?) (Lee An used to play it) // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 23:28:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA25302; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:28:49 -0800 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA25297; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:28:47 -0800 From: Wurzle@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA02656 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:28:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <960205022813_414762572@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: South African raves & South African Ravers Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tomorrow night a guy named Theo will be starting his stay at my house on a 3 week visit from South Africa. He's a foreign exchange student, not just a tourist. The school I go to payed for him and 4 other South Africans to come to America from the township Langa, and since he'll be staying with me I thought I'd try and show him a little about what I love to do most. If any of you would be charitable to let us tag along to a party with you (I'd be happy to bribe you with gas money, food money, drug money, any kind of money you like) I'd be much obliged. Something the weekend after next would be fantastic, and any help would be great! Hugs & Thanks in advance, Wurz§ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 4 23:45:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA26174; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:45:52 -0800 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA26166; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:45:49 -0800 From: Wurzle@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA19710 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:44:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:44:43 -0500 Message-ID: <960205024442_414767040@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: S.A. raves & S.A. ravers (more) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Heh, sorry, but I forgot to mention that I live down here in Santa Cruz (that's the complicated part). Wurz§ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 01:03:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA04049; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:03:26 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA04041; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:03:21 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id BAA13350; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:02:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:02:35 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Andrew Nourse cc: Sabin Cloud Macphee , sfraves@hyperreal.com, star@sfsu.edu Subject: Re: Racoons... In-Reply-To: <19960202214345.AAA25727@pythagoras.pythagoras.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Speaking of wildlife, a friend recently heard some sqwaking in his backyard and looked out to see five skunks scatter. A couple minutes later he looked out again & saw two of them having sex. The traditional skunk smell followed soon thereafter, he reported... Isn't it odd that an animal would give off the same scent during sex as when run over on the highway? What is nature trying to tell us?? :) I would like to report that the skunks were gathered to practice their DJing or something (by way of making this a rave-related post), but unfortunately my friend did not observe any such behavior... Laying it out in black & white, <<< Starchild >>> On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Andrew Nourse wrote: > We have a whole family of them living under our deck (and sometimes in our > kitchen, > if we leave the cat-door open after dark). They are really cool critters, > and the little > ones are so cute... > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 01:23:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA04893; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:23:10 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA04887; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:23:07 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id BAA14539; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:22:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:22:36 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Aaron_Edsinger cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Chronicle blurb on E In-Reply-To: <199602022218.OAA15653@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I saw this too, and even gave Lewis Dolinsky, the guy at the Chron who wrote it, a call, mainly to complain about the line "Given the danger, especially to liver and kidneys, why would anyone take Ecstasy?" He was actually pretty cool, and agreed with me that the risk seems to be low. He didn't seem at all familiar with the drug or its uses, so I mentioned Bruce Eisner's "Exstasy The MDMA Story" and Nicholas Saunder's "E Is For Exstasy" as good resource/info books. He didn't seem inclined to follow up with a second column painting a more accurate picture of the drug, but this is somewhat understandable given the fact that his column is on international affairs and the material is not terribly relevant. Nevertheless Dolinsky did seem surprised that I was calling to say he'd portrayed E in too negative a light, saying he'd expected the opposite when he took my call. A few more polite calls from sfravers with positive experiences to share couldn't hurt, just in case he does have occasion to write about it again (I told him I'd taken MDMA on multiple occasions, and invited him to use personal information from me if he liked.) Apparantly a major source for his story was the London Guardian article he mentions below, which he told me he has a copy of that he could make available to me if I contacted him in a couple days. It sounds like a great piece, I'd say anyone interested in the subject should try to check it out. The Chronicle's phone number is 777-7111. Peace, Luv, & Grooviness, <<< Starchild >>> On 2 Feb 1996, Aaron_Edsinger wrote: > > Wasting brain cells looking through the Chronicle at Macys ads and other > trash, I came across an interesting blurb about E on page A9, accompanied by a > cartoon of a happy chemist makin bacon..........:) > > ECSTASY CAN BE A PROBLEM > The Netherlands seems to be supplying much of Europe with Ecstasy, a > happy pill that can be produced with a school chemistry kit. When teenagers > die from MDMA, patented in 1914 and originally used as an appetite suppressant > for German troops, pressure grows on the Dutch government. France and Germany > have told the Netherlands that its lenient drug policies threaten the European > ideal of open borders. > The Dutch argue that they treat Ecstasy as a "hard" drug but that the > Netherlands happens to be one of the European Union's major distribution > centers for all goods. Is it a sin to have a good infrastructure? The > necessary chemicals, they say, come mainly from outside. And they have > statistics to show that their drug seizure totals compare favorably with those > of their accusers. > Give the danger, especially to liver and kidneys, why would anyone > take Ecstasy? Users report feelings of euphoria, love, and energy, just right > for an all night Rave. Alix Sharkey, writing in the London Guardian, says > teenagers recognize the "hype and hysteria" surrounding the drug and cannot be > intimidated. Sharkey quotes a physician saying a person is five times more > likely to die on a ski holiday in Switzerland than from taking Ecstasy. (The > Guardian also provides a chart showing what the drug costs at various British > locales--and where it's the real thing. Cheaper "cousins" abound.) > Meanwhile, Dutch entrepreneurs keep making their product -- and huge > profits. One producer, says the London Times, was convicted in 1992 and > sentenced to a year and a half in prison, which he hasn't served because a > Dutch prison has never "invited" him. Until it does, he can't go inside. As > his lawyer acknowledges, he's probably working. > > > ----------------->aaron > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 01:33:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA05276; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:33:00 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA05270; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:32:54 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id BAA14911; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:32:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Ronald Knegtel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Thanks for the smile, Ronald. :) In-Reply-To: <9602021600.ZM24835@horatio.ucsf.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My computer tells me that on Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Ronald Knegtel (of Holland) signed off as: > The Frying Dutchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 01:39:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA05901; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:39:32 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA05894; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:39:29 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.122] (Cust58.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.122]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA03691; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:39:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199602050939.BAA03691@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 01:39:07 +1000 To: Tom Leichardt From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: full moon tonite? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >does anyone know if theres a full moon tonite? >i mean a party, looking outside my window, it looks pretty full... > thanks:) tom I thought Gateway systems was to have it last night under an overpass, did that ever go off? Did anyone go? Please report on how it turned out. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 02:35:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA12849; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:35:17 -0800 Received: from infinity.c2.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA12844; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:35:14 -0800 Received: (from casy@localhost) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) id CAA20727; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:29:33 -0800 (PST) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: From: cute gay boy from San Francisco Message-Id: <199602051029.CAA20727@infinity.c2.org> Subject: Re: Racoons... To: star@sfsu.edu (Starchild) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:29:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Starchild" at Feb 5, 96 01:02:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Isn't it odd that an animal would give off the same scent during > sex as when run over on the highway? What is nature trying to tell us?? :) Oh it just means the scunc try to make the best out of all situations and they even find a way to view death as a kind of fun S&M session:). casy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 02:38:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA13020; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:38:17 -0800 Received: from infinity.c2.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA13014; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:38:15 -0800 Received: (from casy@localhost) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) id CAA21102; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:32:37 -0800 (PST) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: From: cute gay boy from San Francisco Message-Id: <199602051032.CAA21102@infinity.c2.org> Subject: where to go next weekend? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:32:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: casy@c2.org (cute gay boy from San Francisco) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone know which party is expected to be the most fun next weekend. peace casy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 06:24:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA26788; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:24:35 -0800 Received: from also.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA26782; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:24:32 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by also.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA17316; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:24:30 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:24:30 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602051424.GAA17316@also.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: area 51/wicked/full moon Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk did anyone go to either area 51, wicked, or the full moon party this weekend, if so how were they, I had to work this weekend.......I was supposed to spin at the full moon but alas (all work and no play makes moonpup a very dull boy !!) I was just wodering how those parties went off !!!!! moonpup 415-337-6666 moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 08:30:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06340; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:30:34 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA06332; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:30:26 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA09002; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:29:17 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA14460; Mon, 5 Feb 96 08:29:15 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04054; Mon, 5 Feb 96 08:29:14 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9602051629.AA04054@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: Bad Apples & Bad Laws (was law & order) To: star@sfsu.edu (Starchild) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96 8:29:13 PST Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Starchild" at Feb 4, 96 8:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Grigsbeast: > > > Who are all these "other" people that we're so scared of? And how come > > > none of us is one? Me: > > Well, I'm one. For starters, If I knew that law-and-order wasn't > > being enforced, I wouldn't be stopping at all the red lights. Starchild: > Lee's willingness > to rely on his own judgement strikes me as evidence of his ability to > function as an adult and take responsibility for his actions. Thanks for the vote of confidence. I can assure you that if I make a mistake and kill you & your family with my car, I will take full responsibility for my error. >I would > only ask that he extend the same trust and respect to the rest of us. I don't think so. I trust myself because I know me. I also know that there *are* lousy drivers with poor judgement on the road, and I'm not willing to place my life in their hands. Strange as it may be, traffic laws make me feel freer. It's rather pleasant to be able to come to an intersection and pretty much know what everyone is going to do. This frees my mind to spend it's energy on stuff that's more important to me, like bopping to that DJ set blaring out of my car stereo. > What's the "rave angle" in this post? Simply that all the hassle > we get for dancing without permits, putting restricted substances into > our own bodies, etc., is based on the same principle as the traffic laws > -- that we're just too fucking dumb and reckless to take care of ourselves. But many of us *are* dumb and reckless. Even ravers. We point fingers at the institutions that pollute and destroy the environment while blowing smoke at each other in clubs and leaving garbage around at free outdoor parties. Like Grigsbeat pointed out, the government is made up of people like us. And conversely, we're really not much different from the poeple who govern us. I don't believe that our problems reside with the "system", but with human nature itself. Some feel that given enough latitude, humans will somehow do the right thing. First of all, I don't think people will ever agree on what the "right" thing is (e.g. diversity). The other thing is that even if we did, it would get boring and people would start doing "wrong" things just for the hell of it. Nevertheless, I'm quite optimistic about human evolution. As people continue to gain more access to information they will learn to understand and tolerate each other and even cooperate with those whe seem different. And as technology continues to improve we will continue to find solutions to many of the problems we keep creating along the way. As people's standard of living improves, there will be more time and energy for our spiritual and intellectual evolution. I see raving as one example of our positive evolution. We have a long way to go and it has very little to do with the system of governemnt we are under. It has everything to do with the evolution taking place within each of us as we try to understand our place and purpose in this mysterious and wonderful Universe. Lee ___________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 10:40:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18512; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:40:23 -0800 Received: from horatio.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18505; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:40:19 -0800 Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by horatio.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id KAA02129; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:40:11 -0800 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9602051040.ZM2127@horatio.ucsf.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:40:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: Starchild "Thanks for the smile, Ronald. :)" (Feb 5, 1:32am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: Starchild Subject: Re: Thanks for the smile, Ronald. :) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, you're very welcome. To be honest, I haven't been much of a "Frying Dutchman" since I've arrived here. The very first time we (me + SO) turned on the TV here we were confronted with Real Horror Stories of the Highway Patrol, COP$ etc. This certainly suppressed the party-head in me somewhat... We have been clubbing a bit but until now have not found a place where good up-tempo techno/acid is played. I thought of going to Wicked this weekend but my SO was ill and I didn't like the thought of going to a not so attractive part of town like King street on my own. Well, maybe next time? I wouldn't mind getting to know some of you folks, anybody live near inner sunset? Have tapes with me from the Old Country + life, clues etc. and will be staying here for a year. This being a pretty much fragmented posting already, let me finish it with a song ID request. On a tape a Dutch friend of mine recently send me there's an acid track wich has as the only lyricks "It's our... phuture". Anybody know what this is? See you out there, The Frying Dutchman -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 11:34:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA22492; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:34:03 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA22478; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:33:55 -0800 Received: from parcplace.com (central.parcplace.com [192.159.3.12]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28427 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:30:06 -0800 Received: from [192.159.3.151] (2heads.parcplace.com [192.159.3.151]) by parcplace.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04486 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:17:19 -0800 X-Sender: snomura@central Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:24:35 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) Subject: Re: good government Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:51:17, Michal Migurski wrote: >I agree with you partially, but I have a response to this: > >ever heard of Jean-Paul Sartre? He said almost exactly the same things you >said; that something is only an obstacle if we choose to view it as such (I >think the example used in my philosophy book from years ago was of a >boulder in your path on a mountain road: you could either sit and whine >about it which would get you knowhere or you could accept and have a picnic >and be happy). > >Well, think that particular philosophy is problematic because it creates >alot of "pushovers": people who don't see any reason to change the world so >they just let it toss them around wherever it happens to move. I don't >agree with that because it puts too much faith in mere chance and it denies >any possibility of social change. How would the world look today if Martin >Luther King had walked around Birmingham and seen all the injustices going >on around him and said "well, what the heck, the back of the bus is pretty >comfortable anyway so I might as well be happy there." > >Nothing would get done, and nothing would change. ________________________________________________________________________________ Hello Michal. Funny thing is, these thoughts have run through my mind as well. I asked myself, "if someone accepts unconditionally everything around him, what motivation would he have to change any of it, either in a positive or negative manner?" As we've stated earlier, there are seven levels of consciousnes, levels one through three dealing with security, sensation, and power, respectively. And as we've stated before the majority of the population moves around within these three states of consciousness on a fairly consistent basis. Their main drives and motivations are to gratify these (Maslotic) levels through their (addictive) behaviors. Behaviors programmed from past experience. Having taken an extensive inventory of the past, and astutely observing behavior in the present, one may become aware of the addictive behaviors that he may possess. Through active reprogramming, turning these addictions into preferences, he is now ready to take 'the great leap' into the fourth level of consciousness - the love center of consciousnes. Instead of acting out of fear, this person now begins to act from a position of love. It is love that he feels inside, and it is love that becomes his motivation. Thus, this person has reached a 'turning point' where he has turned his life over to his 'higher purpose.' It is here that he surrenders his power (addictions) and paradoxically becomes extremely powerful, for he now has his 'higher direction' (intuition) to guide him and his helping hands to provide his motivation and push him along his path. In reference to Napoleon Hill - the mind, free from fear, and feeling the emotion of love, grants access to infinite intelligence - the collective consciousness of man. Add the emotion of sex (sexual transmutation) and he may be elevated to creative genius. It is here that a person becomes a conduit from which the sublime passes into the world. I believe that the wise geniuses who discovered higher consciousness had much 'higher' intentions than for someone to 'bliss out' and be pushed around in the ebb and flow. I'd like to believe that what they were teaching served a great common good, from the highest order of magnitude. It is this person, who has transcended himself that possesses great influence, and spreads great beauty, for instead of being servant to himself, he is now the instrument of his 'higher power'. Thanks for your interest and insights Michal. And thank you too, Ecto, for your insights as well. It's always a joy to read your posts. Peace. Sean From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 11:37:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23176; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:37:16 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23149; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:37:03 -0800 Received: from holonet.net (orac.holonet.net [198.207.169.1]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28264 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:10:29 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id KAA21347; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:46:23 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: brianvan@liberty.liberty.com Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, udu00521@isc.sjsu.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Methamphedamine = Powdered Schizophrenia..... Date: 02 Feb 1996 01:20:31 GMT Message-Id: <424791965.100762@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk howdy, maybe I'll cruise by, when the weather gets better............... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 11:37:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23226; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:37:27 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23175; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:37:14 -0800 Received: from holonet.net (orac.holonet.net [198.207.169.1]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA28268 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:10:45 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id KAA21352; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:46:32 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: wayne@club.net Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, SDream@tgrigsby.com Subject: Re: Re: in body/out of body Date: 02 Feb 1996 01:22:07 GMT Message-Id: <2332557278.100875@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey, Wayne,so what are you having tomorrow?.................orb..................magick.........and all that other stuffff? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 12:06:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA25738; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:06:23 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA25730; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:06:19 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id LAA25838; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:54:45 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: SPAz??!!!!!!!! Date: 04 Feb 1996 05:21:47 GMT Message-Id: <89522175.3732682@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow, what a spot, just got back..................old days revisited..........................Space KICKEd.........!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 12:09:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA25929; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:09:07 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA25920; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:09:03 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id MAA26682; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:06:32 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: does? Date: 04 Feb 1996 15:17:19 GMT Message-Id: <61406.5880084@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know about a party or a full moon today in the east bay? I heard something about it last night at the SPAZ/Sprial Tribe thing/................. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 12:26:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA27089; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:26:20 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA27084; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:26:14 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id LAA24551; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:34:38 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: ambient@netcom.com Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (313) Planet E Tour-West Coast Date: 03 Feb 1996 15:20:46 GMT Message-Id: <68784095.701939@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Not Meredith Chin........? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 13:01:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA02517; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:01:49 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02504; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:01:45 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id LAA25834; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:54:39 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: DJ choice Date: 04 Feb 1996 05:19:11 GMT Message-Id: <131038.3732552@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Right on MOONPUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!old fan from LA-have been in SF for two-ready to go to Vancouver B.C. (for school).and to Prague soon and Morroco....................orb.........................magick..................Media Asssseeesssiiinnnoozzzzz........................Speaker......................23...................out P.S.-By the way, how is Laryssa doing? Say :) for me , thanks.................... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 13:03:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA02604; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:03:17 -0800 Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02589; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:03:13 -0800 Received: from by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA24982; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:02:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:02:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199602052102.NAA24982@ix12.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: good government To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>I agree with you partially, but I have a response to this: >> >>ever heard of Jean-Paul Sartre? He said almost exactly the same things you >>said; that something is only an obstacle if we choose to view it as such (I >>think the example used in my philosophy book from years ago was of a >>boulder in your path on a mountain road: you could either sit and whine >>about it which would get you knowhere or you could accept and have a picnic >>and be happy). >> >>Well, think that particular philosophy is problematic because it creates >>alot of "pushovers": people who don't see any reason to change the world so >>they just let it toss them around wherever it happens to move. I don't >>agree with that because it puts too much faith in mere chance and it denies >>any possibility of social change. How would the world look today if Martin >>Luther King had walked around Birmingham and seen all the injustices going >>on around him and said "well, what the heck, the back of the bus is pretty >>comfortable anyway so I might as well be happy there." >> >>Nothing would get done, and nothing would change. Well as usual, I find myself right in the middle of the road between the two arguments, and I find the most practical way to look at it is of course the happy medium. A co-worker of mine has something posted on her cubey wall, it says something like "God, please grant me the strength to changes those things I can change, the serenity to accept those things that I cannot, and the common sense to bury the bodies of those people that pissed me off!" Supposed to be funny of course, but the first two really express how I try to be in my everyday life. Of course Martin Luther King wouldn't just sit there and just give up on the back-of-the-bus issue, there's something to really be done about things like that, but also, you're not gonna waste time screaming about the traffic cause there's nothing you can do at the time you're stuck in it except deal with it. So of course it's a judgement call on the part of an individual, can there be anything done about it? If so, do your best to implement changes if possible, but sometimes there's just nothing to be done about it, & then comes the acceptance part. When I am able to accomplish this second goal when the situation calls for it, it's amazing to me how quiet & peaceful I feel in spite of the fact that a million people at work have been screaming at me & everything's been going to the dogs around my head. Makes me feel like I've really managed to accomplish a bit of inner peace, if for just a little while. Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 13:27:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA04706; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:27:52 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA04699; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:27:48 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA00250; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:27:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:27:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199602052127.NAA00250@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Future sounds of London question? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all, Does anyone know if the entire Lifesongs album is on record? I have the cd and just love it love it love it! I'm just getting into mixing and would like to add that to my collection. If they have only released singles what's out there? I know I've heard some tracks at a F&F party. Also where can I hook up on their music? Muchos Gracias! love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 14:16:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA08301; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:16:22 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA08245; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:16:16 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA10922 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:16:01 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA13574; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:14:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Reply-To: KaySEE Subject: All in the Family Review To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I went to this event on Friday because I really had to go out and didn't want to posse on down to Sta Cruz and break my checking account with the $25 surcharge :) Went with some cool friends and my sista who's the coolest of all :) Had a fab time, but not because it was an awesome party. The party was located in a wherehouse on the Emeryville/West Oaktown border. Someone said Chrysalis was held there, but I wouldn't know. The hood was pretty dodgy; there was a car that had previously been broken into parked on the same street where we parked :( But we and our car survived! I'd say the party was probably not the greatest as far as vibe was concerned. I was in my best wanting-to-meet-people mood and therefore was in a great state of mind. I brought some flourescent markers to play with in the black light and tried to share them, but people weren't very receptive :( I really made an effort to be friendly, but people didn't really choose to respond to this. That was okay because I felt so good, nothing could get me down :) I just felt sad that people chose to remain so closed. The music was pretty good. I'd say Barry Weaver who did the last set was the best. I danced like a fiend and really felt the music take over my body. My friend was a bit disappointed with the vibe to. She was walking around yelling to the music trying to get others in the mood, but it just didn't work :( But our good spirits prevailed and my group had an excellent time. I'd have to agree with the threads that talk about each individual's responsibility in creating the vibe. My friends and I had a marvelous time, but only because we contributed our positive energies to our surroundings. The place was very dark. I guess this isn't such a bad thing for some people, but light really does something for me. I like to see other people's smiles and emotions and know what is going on around me. The darkness seemed to keep everyone at bay. There was lighting, but they reserved it for the last 1/2 hour, which confused me a bit. It would have been a bit nicer to have the light all night. I have to say the volume was excellent. You could move away from the sound system and not worry about your hearing (I always wonder about the people who stick their head in the speakers!) Oh yeah, they had nitrous tanks. (I suppose I'm not supposed to talk about DRUGS on this list, but, HEY, there is the first amendment) (sense the sarcasm and laughter I am emitting *smile* :) Anyway...nitrous is very interesting with techno:) Other than that it was a natural high night for me, and I have to say, music can be the best drug out there. It feels amazing to let it take your body away. I made my own energy through positive emotions, and was really surprised with the outcome. It felt excellent just like the recent threads on chakras etc. were talking about. So, I'll leave you all with my very positive experience with an event that could have been much less than that. happiness, kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 14:25:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA09244; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:25:04 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA09202; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:24:45 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id UAA09672; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:20:17 -0200 Received: from du-17.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-17.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.17]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id UAA20099; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:20:14 -0200 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:20:14 -0200 Message-Id: <199602052220.UAA20099@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: amatoria@actcom.co.il, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: ART.INDUST. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:30 PM 2/2/96 +0200, amatoria@actcom.co.il wrote: Hola... Can u actually tell me ( or us) where is teh ambient list located??? Muchas Gracias DIRCEU=20 >greetings ! > >i posted this originally to the ambient list ,=20 >i'm sure you'll have an interest in this too ...=20 > >so , few words about myself : my name is Erez Fernando Jinno .=20 >i`m 29 years old , born in uruguay and live in israel .=20 >my commercial name is : ART.INDUST.=20 >under this name i make chill-out-ambient (techno/trance/house-related)= music . >my first ambient cd , was released in israel in october 95 ,=20 >under the title : 'Amatoria' . (some trax on 'Amatoria' are very IDM) > >Jose=E9 Castro will be playing 'Amatoria' on : >K.U.S.F (90.3 FM) Moondance (Friday-night 3:00am - 7:30am) . >[http://www.usfca.edu/usf/kusf/] > >comments are most welcomed . > >Enjoy ! > >L8r . efj .=20 > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 14:25:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA09345; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:25:52 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA09333; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:25:42 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA22520 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:25:40 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA15942; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:20:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:20:57 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Serenity To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For Shawna and everyone else, --the original poem/prayer that you (Shawna) referred to is: God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. --Anonymous (this is know as the Serenity Prayer in 12-step programs, but one that we can surely all use) Another related one is: Yesterday is just a dream and Tomorrow is only a vision, but Today, well-lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of happiness and every Tomorrow a vision of hope. Just thought everyone might enjoy these, if you aren't already familiar with them. --kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 14:39:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA11059; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:39:26 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA11036; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:39:18 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id OAA00559; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:47:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3116852A.38A4@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 14:31:07 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: does? References: <61406.5880084@sfbayguardian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Area 51 was: surprise guest Jon Williams, SOLD OUT 2500 tickets by 2:00am very trancy ASTRAL MATRIX was awsome with songs made just for area 51 exta trippy Dutch gave speech about the 4 week court battle to try to use Richmond and we held hands all 1600 of us who were left we were allowed no beats in the ambient room so I played noise from 9-12 then a band played for an hour then mark ameba played the most brilliant ambient set I've ever heard one of the highlights.. I brought 1500 square feet of bubble pac and the people were poping them like crazy...Mark played a Haters 45 that was bubble pac popping..truly inter-active. highway 17 was carnage.. salutations allen@ameba From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 14:39:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA11079; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:39:35 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA11072; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:39:31 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA15163; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:39:02 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602052239.OAA15163@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: (313) Planet E Tour-West Coast To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:39:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: ambient@netcom.com, zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <68784095.701939@sfbayguardian.com> from "Marco A. Mancia" at Feb 3, 96 03:20:46 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Marco A. Mancia: > >Not Meredith Chin........? > > No, Merideth Ledger, Planet E's PR/business manager/whatever... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:13:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20687; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:13:34 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20675; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:13:30 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com (root@liberty.liberty.com [199.89.140.103]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA00124 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:07:35 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp410.liberty.com [206.17.67.74]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA17001 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:57:19 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206005742.006e1bd4@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 16:57:42 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: Florida DJ's Who Can You Get............ Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; HEY, ALL YOU PROMOTERS OUT THERE. This is an excellent opportunity to bring some really kick ass talent into the bay area, florida rocks, and raver to raver, cali to florida, will but anyone of us under the table, anyday, anyweek, anywhere, cause these people no how to party!!!!!!!!! >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 16:50:22 -0800 >To: cdb@magicnet.net (chris & perry domingo) >From: Brian DarknEs^2 >Subject: Re: Florida DJ's Who Can You Get............ > >BY YOUR COMMAND; > > I spent to vunderful years on the sene in North Central Florida. Who can you get me to come to California? I know a lot of people down there in the Southland, may even be taking a trip soon. Regardless, I'm associated with many of Cali's Bay Area promoters both small & big, house & trance. I've been trying to get people to come here for awhile. If you or a DJ you are assoicated with needs a place to stay feel welcome. I spent most of my time in Gainesville see ya!!!!!! >At 01:20 AM 2/5/96 +0000, you wrote: >>Promoter in Orlando looking to book DJ DUTCH from S.F. >>Can anyone help? 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:13:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20725; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:13:42 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20704; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:13:37 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp410.liberty.com [206.17.67.74]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26193; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:13:14 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206011339.006d2338@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 17:13:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, Ethan Miller , ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: MAD Tonight....Who? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Who's spinning tonight people's........ 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:13:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20788; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:13:59 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20774; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:13:52 -0800 From: Johnick808@aol.com Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com (emout05.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.37]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA29954 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:00:02 -0800 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA10411; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:49:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <960205194930_415355082@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: knegtel@horatio.ucsf.edu, star@sfsu.edu cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ID request: 'It's our... phuture' Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yeah, killer track huh? It's almost certainly AVeX's single 'floor control' on the UNity label, UK import only. There's also a solid Carl Cox remix in addition to the above mentioned mix, good luck finding it as I have tried without much success.. anyone here know where to find a (make that several) copies? also, I would heartily recommend the next Come-Unity (this Wed at 1015 folsom) for your next night out, its always a really nice time and is (i think ) representative of what's best, music and vibe-wise, in San Frandisco... here's their # 415.241.8815 enjoy! peace- *JOhnick* From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:14:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20789; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:14:00 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20781; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:13:55 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com (root@liberty.liberty.com [199.89.140.103]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA29984 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:02:51 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp410.liberty.com [206.17.67.74]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14298; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:52:31 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206005256.006e2fb0@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 16:52:56 -0800 To: Grigsbeast From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: non-rave: q for the law-and-order types Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; We the People; who ever that, & if ya find out; please let me know whp they are, I have a piece of my mind i would like to give them. At 11:25 PM 2/4/96 -0800, you wrote: > >One of the arguments that keeps popping up for "why we need government" >seems to be the "human nature" argument -- that people are basically >aggressive, territorial, and nasty, and that we need a government to >protect us from our nature. > >I have one question: Who runs this government? > >Impartial aliens from Betelgeuse? 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:17:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA21192; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:17:17 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21169; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:17:12 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp410.liberty.com [206.17.67.74]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA28166; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:16:51 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206011716.006ef544@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 17:17:16 -0800 To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: SPAz??!!!!!!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; SPAZ..... happened...... cry........ sob....... dinosore sounds.......... No one told me, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! ; + < At 05:21 AM 2/4/96 GMT, you wrote: >Wow, what a spot, just got back..................old days >revisited..........................Space KICKEd.........!!! 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:24:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA22180; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:24:26 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA22127; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:24:07 -0800 Received: from infinity.c2.org (S05rc/GOs/GVymrBto9avSKxdbnJPnFR@infinity.c2.org [140.174.185.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA29263 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:14:04 -0800 Received: (from casy@localhost) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) id PAA06164; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:58:28 -0800 (PST) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: From: casy - a gay boy from San Francisco Message-Id: <199602052358.PAA06164@infinity.c2.org> Subject: Re: good government To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:58:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: casy@c2.org (casy - a gay boy from San Francisco) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sean, Reading your post and the one you responded to I can't help but think of a question that I had been trying to answer for a long time as a young boy. When at school my teachers were telling me about ancient despotic societies I could not understand how in the world would people give so much control to an emperor that eventually they were worshipong him as a kind of god (eg faros,roman emperors). Now I believe I'm starting to understand how. I found that many people in America, believe that we are all free and that we should blame ourselves if we don't feel free. But that is exactly what gives way to negative social changes because that is how control freaks can take over our government. Being complasant is offering your liberty on a silver platter to those who would like to control your life. Your philosophy is beatiful but what do you do when dealing with someone like Pat Buchanan, Hitler, the KKK, Ginrich, etc. You can not go very far with love when dealing with organized hate or when dealing with a government that embaraces and insttutionalises hate. Think of the fact that half of the states in the US have sodomy laws meaning that you can be put in prison for making love. How is your philosophy going to save you from such injustices. When various forces come to take your librty away, if you stay passive, you are helping them. Think of how Hitler got to power. Most people said he wasn';t dangourous at first and no one really payed attention to the 'little painter' then by the time they payed attention to him it was way too late. Fear and paranoia is bad but we have to be careful and see who we have to put our armors up against or otherwise we'll have faros and Hitlers again. Your philosphy of love as a response to everything would only work if all people were like you. You are a wonderful person (I'm guessing based on your post) and I believe most of us are when we are born but many people become monsters as fears change their way of thinking as they get older. Once they are monsters love won't always help you when dealing with them. I'm cynical a bit I know, I wish I could share your ability to love everyone unconditionally but the more I learn about humans the more I understand that before you can talk to someone in tyhe language of love you have to make sure that you'll won't be destroyed before you even have a chance to speak (6 million Jews would probably support my argument if they were still alive but they were killed becasue no one has spoiken up in time ) peace & love (whenever possible) casy ps: sorry for the typos. I've been struggliung with my editor. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:26:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA22608; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:26:46 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA22598; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:26:41 -0800 Received: from infinity.c2.org (P5v2MiScyCzmL29Qsuo9wD0jw0UcFOl7@infinity.c2.org [140.174.185.11]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA29041 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:54:08 -0800 Received: (from casy@localhost) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) id PAA03465 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:38:34 -0800 (PST) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: From: cute gay boy from San Francisco Message-Id: <199602052338.PAA03465@infinity.c2.org> Subject: Re: good government To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:38:33 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: From casy@c2.org Mon Feb 5 15:37:46 1996 From: cute gay boy from San Francisco Message-Id: <199602052337.PAA03344@infinity.c2.org> Subject: Re: good government To: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:37:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: casy@c2.org (cute gay boy from San Francisco) In-Reply-To: from "Sean Nomura" at Feb 5, 96 11:24:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean, Reading your post and the one you responded to I can't help but think of a question that I had been trying to answer for a long time as a young boy. When at school my teachers were telling me about ancient despotic societies I could not understand how in the world would people give so much control to an emperor that eventually they were worshipong him as a kind of god (eg faros,roman emperors). Now I believe I'm starting to understand how. I found that many people in America, believe that we are all free and that we should blame ourselves if we don't feel free. But that is exactly what gives way to negative social changes because that is how control freaks can take over our government. Being complasant is offering your liberty on a silver platter to those who would like to control your life. Your philosophy is beatiful but what do you do when dealing with someone like Pat Buchanan, Hitler, the KKK, Ginrich, etc. You can not go very far with love when dealing with organized hate or when dealing with a government that embaraces and insttutionalises hate. Think of the fact that half of the states in the US have sodomy laws meaning that you can be put in prison for making love. How is your philosophy going to save you from such injustices. When various forces come to take your librty away, if you stay passive, you are helping them. Think of how Hitler got to power. Most people said he wasn';t dangourous at first and no one really payed attention to the 'little painter' then by the time they payed attention to him it was way too late. Fear and paranoia is bad but we have to be careful and see who we have to put our armors up against or otherwise we'll have faros and Hitlers again. Your philosphy of love as a response to everything would only work if all people were like you. You are a wonderful person (I'm guessing based on your post) and I believe most of us are when we are born but many people become monsters as fears change their way of thinking as they get older. Once they are monsters love won't always help you when dealing with them. I'm cynical a bit I know, I wish I could share your ability to love everyone unconditionally but the more I learn about humans the more I understand that before you can talk to someone in tyhe language of love you have to make sure that you'll won't be destroyed before you even have a chance to speak (6 million Jews would probably support my argument if they were still alive but they were killed becasue no one has spoiken up in time ) peace & love (whenever possible) casy ps: sorry for the typos. I've been struggliung with my editor. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:26:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA22643; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:26:56 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA22607; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:26:44 -0800 Received: from panix.com (panix.com [198.7.0.2]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA29123 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:01:41 -0800 Received: from 166.84.194.26 (cweric.dialup.access.net [166.84.194.26]) by panix.com (8.7/8.7/PanixU1.3) with SMTP id SAA04885 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:51:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3116530A.6DE@panix.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 18:57:14 +0000 From: "Hugh O'Connor" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: good government (long)]] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Received: from orion.sfsu.edu (root@orion.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.236]) by mail1.panix.com (8.7.1/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with ESMTP id RAA11732 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gardener@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA18554; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:42:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: TODD MICHAEL BOOSTROM X-Sender: gardener@orion To: "Hugh O'Connor" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: good government (long)] In-Reply-To: <31123E4B.76EA@panix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 823563954.006 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Hugh, could you forward this to the SF Rave list? Thanks, boyo. This is a reply to Sean Nomura's thought on life, the universe, and everything. His belief that "Whatever happens is supposed to happen..." Just who or what decides what is "supposed to happen"? There is no mention of God in Sean's essay, and who but an infinite God could possibly decide the outcome of everything that has happened, is happening, and has happened. There's nothing unusual in the rejection of an absurd universe in Western thought. The idea of a design, a telos, of the universe goes back to before the writing of Genesis. Teleological thought has been present in almost all major Western worldviews, including Judeo-Christianity, Hegelianism, and Marxism. The problem with faith in historically linear progress is its failure to explain the Holocaust, Stalin, Pol Pot, African famine and all other mass miseries of the twentieth century. Consciousness, the quality of life, whatever, is not getting better for the majority of human beings; it's getting worse. Further on, he states that "[a]ccording to theory, there are seven states of consciousness..." What theory? Scientology? Gnosticism? Why seven states? Why not two million, or two? In the lower three states of consciousness, "...the picture(ideal) inside of your head does not match what is actually going on around you." What is actually going on? My view of the environment would be incoherent without particular biases, a particular language to express those biases without, and a particular perspective. If there is some sort of universal, objective perspective by which to look at things, tell me about it. And if "[a]nytime someone preaches their disdain...toward society, or races or cultures, the police dept., etc., they are...carrying themselves into lower levels of consciousness...", then how are we to act upon anything at all? My grandfather was a cop, but I will protest police brutality, and still love the memory of my grandfather. I am also opposed to infanticide and female genital mutilation, but that doesn't mean I disrespect the cultures in which they are a problem. My own culture is, from my personal perspective, riddled with problems, but I still am proud of many aspects of Western civilization. All teleologies have a subject; for Marx it was the industrial proletariat, for Judaism it's the Jewish people. What is the subject of Sean's teleology? The residents of the seventh level of consciousness? Separation of human into "enlightened" and "unenlightened" categories can get dangerous. I for one don't want a Brave New World. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:29:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA23077; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:29:36 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA23022; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:29:21 -0800 Received: from void.agames.com (gate-void.agames.com [192.245.82.72]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA28912 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:39:59 -0800 Received: from [192.245.82.146] (murphy.agames.com [192.245.82.146]) by void.agames.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01311 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:32:18 -0800 X-Sender: radams@mail.agames.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:31:58 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: radams@agames.com (Rob Adams) Subject: Wicked... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ever feel sorry for the guy who picked door #2 and got the year's supply of anti-freeze? Why did we pick Wicked!? Yes, I know, we must generate our experience and feelings regardless of negative influences like (bad) environment, people, music, etc., but it helps when your surroundings are positive. Wicked was kind of a slap in the face of a pleasant string of amazing parties the last few months. Two words: meat market Oh, and alchohol, attitudes, I-work-at-the-gap ivy-league/macho-military/gangbanger/lamer/misc. attendees as well. This kind of event could make a non-believer out of anyone. Shirtless muscular but beer-bellied beat-up-corvette-driving white pimp-wannabes with thin mustaches flexing for my unwilling girlfriend, who almost got us killed with her reaction. Maybe 10 real people in the place, the rest were something else, I don't know and don't want to know. I'm not saying I'm better thant they are, I just don't like having people like this at parties when they act the way they do. Lesson #1: If there's a large alchohol bar inside and one floor, go someplace else. Lesson #2: If 5 college jocks with flattops standing behind you in line say amongst themselves, "Fu-k man, I can't believe people dance to this crap thump thump thump for fu-king hours!" then go someplace else. Ok, I just needed to tell my story. Somehow we blocked out the people and had some fun, but man was it hard. Looking forward to wiser choices, _________________________________________ Rob Adams, Animator Time Warner Interactive WK: radams@agames.com HM: radams71@aol.com (408)434-3700 http://www.rivendell.com/radams/dgpage/ "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:50:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA24796; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:50:30 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA24791; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:50:24 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp408.liberty.com [206.17.67.72]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA12532; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:50:04 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206015031.006d47c0@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 17:50:31 -0800 To: KaySEE From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: Serenity Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Though I respect your divine right to freedom of speech & expression, I would just like to say, that ****I***** feel 12 Step Rhetoric has no place on this list. I have found in my own experience that most of the 12 Step Programs & most of the so called theory behind them, though they help many people, are repressive, binding, depressing, filled wth hateful Christian Rhetoric, unempowering; especially for womyn, and a overall substitute for maturity. YOU are powerful, YOU are light, not some unseen, unproven, merricless ameba called God/Higher Power. I believe these programs are evil for they remove self awareness, which limits growth & change with the exception of their guide lines, as opposed to your own thoughts feelings & ideas. I would be more than happy to attempt to enlighten you with regard to these 12 Step programs and what they do to people who they can't help, through private e-mail......... At 02:20 PM 2/5/96 -0800, you wrote: >For Shawna and everyone else; --------(please spare me) >God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change, the >courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. > >--Anonymous----- (I clearly understand why) Ack, puke, vomit, lurch, scream, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! >(this is know as the Serenity Prayer in 12-step programs, but one that we >can surely all use) > >Another related one is: > Yesterday is just a dream and Tomorrow is only a vision, but >Today, well-lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of happiness and every >Tomorrow a vision of hope. More of the same............. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 17:52:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA24931; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:52:51 -0800 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA24923; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:52:47 -0800 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA04651; Mon, 5 Feb 96 17:51:33 -0800 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9602060151.AA04651@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Subject: Re: fmr's, & sfr history To: kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu (KaySEE) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:51:32 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "KaySEE" at Feb 2, 96 01:13:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1385 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 SteveOSac@aol.com wrote: > > > Ding, Idea. (lightbulb over head) > > Although I fully agree with the no more" back in my day comments", I love > > hearing about everyone's stories about fm's and raves of earlier days, or > > even of yesterday. All those "time standin still" moments that make us all > > know exactly why we're here. (i.e.: my "dancing high atop a bassbin at bonny > > dunes, sunrise behind me, moonset in front, head to the stars" story, (fmr > > 3yr ann)). Anyway, has anyone put together any sort of collection of these > > stories, some sort of local raves history book? What do we think about this? > > Personally I think history is very important, and can't see anything but > > good to come out of it, it's our "never enough, grass is always greener" type Although there is the collection of stories on hyperreal, much of it is dated and so I thought it might be fun to try to collect all the stories I could and devote a web page to the topic. Reviews of significant parties or just inspiring memories from our bay area scene. If anyone has any stories or history that they would like to share, you can submit them over the web at http://he.net/~swoosh/raves/ or email them directly to swoosh@he.net then if and when stories come in, I will make them available at the above web site. thanks- see you all at Vision... -john. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 18:15:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA26642; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:15:52 -0800 Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA26631; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:15:48 -0800 Received: from by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA23435; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:15:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:15:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199602060215.SAA23435@ix12.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: ok, #sfraves attempt #2! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! Okay, I've finally gotten around to trying this #sfraves thing again, so here's when I'll be doing it. Stop by #sfraves on the IRC once again at 8 pm on this Thursday, my provider seems to be a little more stable for the time being (knock on virtual wood!), so I thot I'd try it again. Anybody who still wants to know how to access it, please email me & I'll try to get it sorted out before the time actually comes. Once again, I'll be Cerulean on it, so look for me! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 18:31:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA27789; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:31:01 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA27775; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:30:57 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA19265 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:30:46 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:30:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199602060230.SAA19265@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Doc Martin X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HEY! Does anyone know if Doc Martin has a web page? I'd like to pay it a visit... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 18:43:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA00800; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:43:28 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA00757; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:43:21 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tjdNG-000D8iC; Mon, 5 Feb 96 18:43 PST Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:43:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: good government To: Sean Nomura cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Sean Nomura wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:51:17, Michal Migurski wrote: > > >I agree with you partially, but I have a response to this: > > > >ever heard of Jean-Paul Sartre? He said almost exactly the same things you > >said; that something is only an obstacle if we choose to view it as such (I > >think the example used in my philosophy book from years ago was of a > >boulder in your path on a mountain road: you could either sit and whine > >about it which would get you knowhere or you could accept and have a picnic > >and be happy). > > > >Well, think that particular philosophy is problematic because it creates > >alot of "pushovers": people who don't see any reason to change the world so > >they just let it toss them around wherever it happens to move. I don't > >agree with that because it puts too much faith in mere chance and it denies > >any possibility of social change. How would the world look today if Martin > >Luther King had walked around Birmingham and seen all the injustices going > >on around him and said "well, what the heck, the back of the bus is pretty > >comfortable anyway so I might as well be happy there." > > > >Nothing would get done, and nothing would change. > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > Hello Michal. > > Funny thing is, these thoughts have run through my mind as well. I asked > myself, "if someone accepts unconditionally everything around him, what > motivation would he have to change any of it, either in a positive or > negative manner?" > > As we've stated earlier, there are seven levels of consciousnes, levels one > through three dealing with security, sensation, and power, respectively. > And as we've stated before the majority of the population moves around > within these three states of consciousness on a fairly consistent basis. > Their main drives and motivations are to gratify these (Maslotic) levels > through their (addictive) behaviors. Behaviors programmed from past > experience. > > Having taken an extensive inventory of the past, and astutely observing > behavior in the present, one may become aware of the addictive behaviors > that he may possess. Through active reprogramming, turning these addictions > into preferences, he is now ready to take 'the great leap' into the fourth > level of consciousness - the love center of consciousnes. > > Instead of acting out of fear, this person now begins to act from a > position of love. It is love that he feels inside, and it is love that > becomes his motivation. Thus, this person has reached a 'turning point' > where he has turned his life over to his 'higher purpose.' It is here that > he surrenders his power (addictions) and paradoxically becomes extremely > powerful, for he now has his 'higher direction' (intuition) to guide him > and his helping hands to provide his motivation and push him along his > path. > > In reference to Napoleon Hill - the mind, free from fear, and feeling the > emotion of love, grants access to infinite intelligence - the collective > consciousness of man. Add the emotion of sex (sexual transmutation) and he > may be elevated to creative genius. It is here that a person becomes a > conduit from which the sublime passes into the world. > > I believe that the wise geniuses who discovered higher consciousness had > much 'higher' intentions than for someone to 'bliss out' and be pushed > around in the ebb and flow. I'd like to believe that what they were > teaching served a great common good, from the highest order of magnitude. > It is this person, who has transcended himself that possesses great > influence, and spreads great beauty, for instead of being servant to > himself, he is now the instrument of his 'higher power'. > > > Thanks for your interest and insights Michal. > > And thank you too, Ecto, for your insights as well. It's always a joy to > read your posts. > > Peace. > > Sean beautiful post man! ive been discovering that going with the flow is going with my intuition, and this intuitive drive is what will make me an instrument of change, and evolution! - you say it well! enlighten me- what are teh other states of consciousness you elude to.?. mind over matter, mind over energy:) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:05:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA02761; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:05:49 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA02752; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:05:45 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA19542; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:05:40 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602060305.TAA19542@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: MAD Tonight....Who? To: brianvan@liberty.liberty.com (Brian DarknEs^2) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:05:39 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, ethan@bass-station.com, ambient@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960206011339.006d2338@199.89.140.103> from "Brian DarknEs^2" at Feb 5, 96 05:13:39 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Brian DarknEs^2: > > Who's spinning tonight people's........ > >From their website (http://net.pickett-comm.com/FnF/Events.html): Alex, CARL CRAIG, Joe Rice -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:09:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA03144; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:09:40 -0800 Received: from mail by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA03131; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:09:34 -0800 Received: from [140.174.184.128] by mail (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA17008; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:08:22 -0800 X-Sender: ambient@netcom20.netcom.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:10:06 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: MAD Tonight....Who? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >BY YOUR COMMAND; > > Who's spinning tonight people's........ > Tonight's Carl Craig from Detroit, Alex, and myself. We expect a full house, so GET THERE EARLY! Extra sound from JK and lights from Gateway. Due to the extra cost to us this week, we won't be able to offer $1 admission before 11pm, but it's still only $3 all night. @ Bahia - Market & Franklin. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:11:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA03423; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:11:45 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA03390; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:11:38 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA19629; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602060311.TAA19629@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: Wicked... To: radams@agames.com (Rob Adams) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:11:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Rob Adams" at Feb 5, 96 03:31:58 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Rob Adams: > >Ever feel sorry for the guy who picked door #2 and got the year's supply of >anti-freeze? and we wonder what's wrong in the "scene" today...fuck this holier-then-thou attitude. -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:30:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA04898; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:30:44 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA04892; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:30:40 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.217] (u2w48.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.217]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA11012 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:30:36 -0800 X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:30:37 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Subject: drug info request --non-rave? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone... I've searched the hyperreal drug archives and _everything_ but I can't find the answer to a simple question: what does lithium do? I know it's an anti-depressant and everything, but there are people who take it recreationally--- why? what are its effects-- both positive and negative? thanks in advance-- -mikey. p.s. Marco Mancia are you around? I've sent you a couple of e-mails but no response; what's your address? it's Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com right? lemme know if I got it wrong. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:34:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA05263; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:34:17 -0800 Received: from void.agames.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA05256; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:34:11 -0800 Received: from [192.245.82.146] (murphy.agames.com [192.245.82.146]) by void.agames.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA05807; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:36:34 -0800 X-Sender: radams@mail.agames.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:36:13 -0700 To: Robert Smith From: radams@agames.com (Rob Adams) Subject: Re: Wicked... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Robert Smith said: >BEGIN QUOTE FROM Rob Adams: >> >>Ever feel sorry for the guy who picked door #2 and got the year's supply of >>anti-freeze? > >and we wonder what's wrong in the "scene" today...fuck this holier-then-thou >attitude. Sorry, but I tried to explain I didn't feel "better" or "superior" to the crowd in any way, just bummed that so many people there were not at the party to dance, have fun, and smile a little. I can't recall one person smiling at anyone else the _whole_ time! I apologize for offending anyone with my "attitude", it was not my intention. But, if I'm one of the people that's ruining the scene, explain how it is so? Please do so off the list, I hate long misc. threads as I'm sure many others do. _________________________________________ Rob Adams, Animator Time Warner Interactive WK: radams@agames.com HM: radams71@aol.com (408)434-3700 http://www.netchina.com/~radams/dgweb/ "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." --Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:34:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA05301; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:34:40 -0800 Received: from violet.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA05295; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:34:32 -0800 Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.7.1/1.33r) id TAA23889; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:34:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Rose To: Michal Migurski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: drug info request --non-rave? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My brother works at GNC and last christmas he gave me some lithium to take to "detoxify" my system...it made my skin feel sunburnt for a while, but I didnt see any particular reason to do this recreationally. And afterwards I felt pretty much the same so as to the detox effects...I dont know, ask your local GNC nutritionist :) Hope that this helps -Tony Rose On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Michal Migurski wrote: > Hi everyone... I've searched the hyperreal drug archives and _everything_ > but I can't find the answer to a simple question: > > what does lithium do? > > I know it's an anti-depressant and everything, but there are people who > take it recreationally--- why? what are its effects-- both positive and > negative? > > thanks in advance-- > -mikey. > > p.s. Marco Mancia are you around? I've sent you a couple of e-mails but no > response; what's your address? it's Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com > right? lemme know if I got it wrong. > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:43:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA05887; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:43:45 -0800 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA05878; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:43:38 -0800 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA18722; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:42:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:42:46 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Fogel Reply-To: Peter Fogel Subject: Re: good government To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199602052358.PAA06164@infinity.c2.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I find it fasinating how people are responding to sean's post. I don't know about this seven states of consciousness stuff, but I do beleive that one may experience a sense of harmony and disharmony about the same situation. I don't think sean was denying this(but I'll let him speak for himself). I think one can be motivated to change things that they don't agree with on one level, but can also except the reality of the existence of it and have a sense of peace and harmony from that. Now to relate this to raving; I think of the having a good time in spite of the bad vibe thread. There are times when I don't appreciate the vibe at a party, but find that I'm able to have a good time by taking some action to look within myself to find the non-judgemental place, the place of experience and a purer sense of existence. In that place, judgements about the vibe are not as overbearing, though they may still exist, and I'm able to have a good time. As I'm not being as overwhelmed by the "bad vibe" I can more easily find that good vibe that we all share. Sometimes it takes looking further below the surface than other times. Here's a wild thought, probably get flamed for it. If hitler was able to spend more time in a loving enviroment and got the opportunity to trance out by dancing to techno, he might not have done the horrible things he did. Of course if he was exposed to loving enviroments more in his life enough to make a difference, he wouldn't be hitler. :) peter From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:44:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA05950; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:44:21 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA05933; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:44:10 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp408.liberty.com [206.17.67.72]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA16939; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:43:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206034416.006fc34c@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 19:44:16 -0800 To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: drug info request --non-rave? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Lithium is used in the treatment of manic depression/mania/bi polar disorder. It's basically a salt that seems to control mood swings. It should not be used as far as I'm concerned fro recreational use, due to the fact that you can reach a toxic blood level if you are not careful. At 07:30 PM 2/5/96 -0800, you wrote: >Hi everyone... I've searched the hyperreal drug archives and _everything_ >but I can't find the answer to a simple question: > >what does lithium do? > >I know it's an anti-depressant and everything, but there are people who >take it recreationally--- why? what are its effects-- both positive and >negative? > >thanks in advance-- >-mikey. > >p.s. Marco Mancia are you around? I've sent you a couple of e-mails but no >response; what's your address? it's Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com >right? lemme know if I got it wrong. > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 19:50:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA06452; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:50:12 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA06437; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:50:06 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00970 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:50:00 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11106; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:49:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:49:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: NON RAVE: Amsterdam Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi! anybody have an info about amsterdam and their substance laws? and any other countries with similar policies? shame on our government for stripping the Native Americans of their religious freedoms! bren Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti Teleport Internet Services Shakti Internet Consulting Technical Support Staff shakti@teleport.com bb@teleport.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 20:02:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA07425; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:02:08 -0800 Received: from infinity.c2.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA07418; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:02:01 -0800 Received: (from casy@localhost) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) id TAA11499; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:56:19 -0800 (PST) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: From: casy - a gay boy from San Francisco Message-Id: <199602060356.TAA11499@infinity.c2.org> Subject: Re: good government To: peterf@netcom.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 19:56:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, casy@c2.org In-Reply-To: from "Peter Fogel" at Feb 5, 96 07:42:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Here's a wild thought, probably get flamed for it. If hitler was able to > spend more time in a loving enviroment and got the opportunity to trance > out by dancing to techno, he might not have done the horrible things he did. > Of course if he was exposed to loving enviroments more in his life enough > to make a difference, he wouldn't be hitler. > > :) > peter > OK...so probably it is a good thing thath one of the most active centres of rave is in Germany today. Let's hope if there are any would be Hitlers they dance out their anxiety before they start doing bad things:) My version of this is if that Christians truely wanted to end violence then they would argue for free love and love making instead of abstenence. One reason why European youth commits less crime is that they have more sex and they are too relaxed to run around killing people:) Think about it: French couples supposedly have sex 5 times a week, Americans 2.5 times a weeks. There is too much agression there still undrained:) peace & free love:) casy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 20:07:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA07795; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:07:10 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA07790; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:07:07 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA19314; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:05:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:05:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199602060405.UAA19314@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: ok, #sfraves attempt #2! To: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >lookin' forward to it... I tried last time but I ended up all alone on my >own little local sfraves channel (on the UCB network). :(. So, how do I get >hooked up to the "big" IRC channel that everyone'll be on? Hey! Well, the IRC works like this: if you enter into a channel doesn't already exist (as was probably the case when you tried, due to various difficulties people's providers were having), when you enter into it, it automatically pops into existence with you being the only one on it. If you leave it when being the only one on it, it disappears from existence again. However, if someone else has already started a channel & there are already people there, & you enter into it, you will not create a second little sfrave channel in addition to the first one. You will automatically go into the one already in existence. So, due to the aforementioned problems you probably read about, you probably were the only one on #sfraves at the time you tried to get on. Try right around 8 pm, I'll be there already! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 20:22:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA09334; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:22:02 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA09317; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:21:57 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA16588 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:21:54 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA14669; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:21:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:21:53 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: woops:NON RAVE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk in my previous post i mentioned something to the effect of prohibition of peyote in Native American ceremonies...after redoing some research it appears i have this backwards...the Native American Church are exempt from the DEA's scheduling of peyote for ceremonial use but the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church were denied this exemption for ceremonial use of marijuana (along with everyone everyone else) just thought i'd clarify, bren :) Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti Teleport Internet Services Shakti Internet Consulting Technical Support Staff shakti@teleport.com bb@teleport.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 20:39:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA10920; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:39:20 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA10913; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:39:15 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca (root@Island.islandnet.com [198.53.172.1]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00404 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:49:04 -0800 Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tjfBI-0005VcC; Mon, 5 Feb 96 20:39 PST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96 20:39 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Track ID 'Its Our...Phuture' Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >yeah, killer track huh? It's almost certainly AVeX's single 'floor >control' >on the UNity label, UK import only. There's also a solid Carl Cox remix in >addition to the above mentioned mix, good luck finding it as I have tried >without much success Wait a sec..I may have come to this late But what you described to me sounds like "It's Our Future" by AWeX not AVeX, and its on a Plastic City - America rekkid. There are 3 mixes by Blake Baxter - Techno, House and Electro and one track called Madness and another Its our Future mix by Norman (its act called the Norman Remix) It dosnt look like an import to me..the tele number is 212 777-2661 Maybe that might help in finding it ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** for dj's, musicians, artists, web-mistress'/masters and net-surfers come by and say Hi Today! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 20:43:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA11177; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:43:53 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA11171; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:43:49 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA29113; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:43:15 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:43:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199602060443.UAA29113@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: HARMONY! (BSP) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Since our anniversary party last Aug., 1995, we have been pretty much silent. (Busy, yet silent.) We had a blast at that party and we hope that you (who went) did too! Thank you for the support! We have decided to bring our family back together. So it gives us great pleasure to present the following... On Friday, February 16th join us as we celebrate peace, love, & HARMONY!!!!! Djs: Graeme Trent Greg Jon Carel Simon Harry Who? Brandon Tony BioJeff Rob Doran Terry Mullan (Chicago) Ambient/ Dub: Galen Minor Minor Shoam Claire $10 for presale tickets Availible @ Frequency-8 (San Francisco) & Solid Grooves (San Jose) (408) 486-9591 Call for more information (408) 450-3044 Tickets are very limited, hope to see you there! Until then, keep smiling! Peace, love, and harmony to all beautiful people!!!!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 20:45:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA11316; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:45:44 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA11311; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:45:41 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA11193 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:45:39 -0800 Received: (from krok@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00516; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:44:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: Kyung Rok Lee Reply-To: Kyung Rok Lee Subject: CD Quickpicks To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk READ THIS ONLY IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME CD REVIEWS: Funki Porcini, "Hed Phone Sex" -- 9/10 (EXCELLENT down-tempo perverted beats. Get the less expensive _2-CD domestic_ over the 1-CD import. Some of you may be more familiar w/these guys as Dj Food, Hedfunk, etc. NinjaTune continues to produce quality.) Pork, "A Collection of Pork" -- 8.5/10 (Pork is a UK record label that puts out ambient acts such as Fila Brazilia and Heights of Abraham. If you like your ambient interlaced with beats, and not just out there in gravityless space, you'll like this. Beautiful music, not of the trippy or abstract variety.) Air Liquide, "Red" -- 7.5/10 (Good, hard, funky. Mostly mid- to uptempo, some downtempo. Eclectic w/out being too disjointed.) Southern Fried, "Southern Fried House" -- 8/10 (Accessible, disco-ey and progressive house. First thing you got to get past is the name -- Southern Fried refers to a UK record label, not house on the Southern Methodist Baptist tip ;). Many of you may already be familiar with the "Magic Carpet Ride" track that gets airplay on commercial radio stations (the one with the latin brass section) I know, you're saying shit, if they're playing that stuff on wild 107 it must be cheesy. Well, this cd shows that that isn't necessarily true. This CD would be good for your friend who is warming up to house music, but is not ready for the harder stuff yet. Each track seems to have a recognizable sample from the progressive house and/or disco past.) Trip Hop Acid Phunk 2 -- 3/10 (Haven't really listened to it that much, but I already know that it isn't as good as the first one, which was pretty good. Has that "The Feeling" track, though, which I like. I'm returning it tomorrow.) 4Hero, "Parallel Universe" -- 7/10 (Purported to be the first jungle full-length. Abstract. This guy has a lot of equipment with which to tweak -- makes for good head-phone listening.) ps. I'm not a rich guy. I found most of these used. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 21:08:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA12683; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:08:40 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA12659; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:08:34 -0800 Received: from by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB25989; Tue, 6 Feb 96 00:05:08 EST X-Sender: ecto@citenet.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:11:11 -0500 To: "Diane Tabellija" From: ecto@magnet.ca (ecto) Subject: Re: Chakra Definition, OBE & Music Manipulation Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:26 PM 2/2/96, Diane Tabellija wrote: >Chakras (meaning wheel or vortex) defined in a really good book (Color & >Crystals by Joy Gardner) defines it as the center of spinning energy. This >energy can be received, transmitted, as well as related to social, sexual, >and spiritual energy. There are seven chakra points on the body and each >one has color(s), emotion(s), crystal(s), tones and chants associated with >them. I don't know the history of origin but it can be traced back to yoga >practices and to me, it seems to have a more Eastern philosophy associated >with it. > >So when I referred to the lower chakras in my previous post, I was >referring to the sexual, ego, physical realm desires that drive us. These >chakras are located at your tailbone, and a little below the navel (to the >left) as well as at your solar plexus. The other chakras include the >heart, throat, third eye (between your eyebrows) and your crown >(divination). These last four are more on the spiritual bend. > >There's lots of vague crossovers in Western society (AA's head, heart and >guts comes to mind) but info related to chakra healing and power is usually >sought out here rather than common everyday Western knowledge. I'd say that the most obvious symbol to me would be the caduceus, that pole with the two snakes wrapped around it, with the wings..ya know? and the disk at the top? That "medical symbol" that you used to see on "emergency" back in the 70's ;) I think that this is equally applicable, as the caduceus is symbolic of the intertwining rising of energies to a point at the 'top' (crown) where dualisms are united into a circle (infinity, or 'the sun/enlightenment', etc). You see it on some of alex grey's paintings if you're familiar w/them :) >A friend of mine described his experimentation w/dancing and imbibing as >follows: it's an elevator up to enlightenment and higher consciousness >but you >always come back down. The real task is to build the stepping stones in >everyday life to reach the same station(s). I hope you like his >description as >much as I do. That's NICE :) i had this realization this weekend that problems are not really 'problems' only the raw material to build a staircase to higher states of consciousness. I keep telling myself that and it's making everything a lot easier. In regards to Kundalini, i coincidentally just found a web site about a comparison between Kundalini awakening and psychedelic use which is at... http://csp.org/csp/www/docs_html/Kundalini_survey.html So, open those third eyes you all have and take a look ;) @) It's cool even though he doesn't know what DMT is (he says it's dimethyl tryptophan or something). So, make of it what you will. There's also a whole LOAD of stuff on this site about a variety of topics, i think it's one of the best finds i've had in while. Enjoy! Peace, brad "bringer of URLs, messenger of data" ;) ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 5 21:10:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA12931; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:10:49 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA12926; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:10:46 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA27458; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:10:38 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9602052110.ZM27456@well> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:10:36 -0800 In-Reply-To: radams@agames.com (Rob Adams) "Wicked..." (Feb 5, 3:31pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: radams@agames.com (Rob Adams), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Wicked... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hard to figure, I know. I thought last month's Wicked with Doc was really pretty good, the crowd was not the greatest I've ever been in but it wasn't bad, and people stayed to the end. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 00:10:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA26066; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:10:25 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA26057; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:10:21 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id AAA08968; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:09:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:09:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199602060809.AAA08968@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: ez056875@peseta.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: mswietzke@ucdavis.edu (Matthew Wietzke) Subject: Hanson and Nelson- Zone 1 X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know where to get this record? I will greatly reward anyone with info!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 01:55:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA03486; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:55:41 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA03481; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:55:39 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA16540; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:55:36 -0800 Received: (from sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA28002; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:52:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:52:55 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy McIntyre Reply-To: Timothy McIntyre Subject: Re: good government (non-rave, some might say) To: "Hugh O'Connor" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <3116530A.6DE@panix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On February 5, Hugh O'Connor wrote: "The problem with faith in historically linear progress is its failure to explain the Holocaust, Stalin, Pol Pot, African famine, and all other mass miseries of the twentieth century." I couldn't disagree more. First, to claim that believing that the world is making progress is a form of "faith" is somewhat insulting: I believe/know that the world is getting better based on my examination of historical data, not because I wear rose-coloured glasses and have 'faith' that things are improving. I consider my approach to be more scientific than it is religious, so using the word "faith" is misleading. That said, I should add that I don't think anyone ever wrote that progress moves linearly--of course it doesn't, that is self-evident. But it does lurch forward in stops and starts, with setbacks along the way. Society learns from these setbacks, and in that way the world evolves. You mention some catastrophic events of the 20th-century, which were indeed tragic, but are not representative of the century as a whole: over the past hundred years, the global standard of living, infant mortality rates, and human rights laws have all improved. Human beings are better-educated than ever before, and expanded technology means expanded global awareness of the world's problems. Disasters and catastrophes aren't proof that the world is going to pieces: they're downward turns on a long-term graph whose overall direction is tilted upward. Timothy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 03:44:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA13291; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 03:44:26 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA13136; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 03:44:19 -0800 From: CU303@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA04295 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 06:43:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 06:43:48 -0500 Message-ID: <960206064347_415720488@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Come-Unity this Wednesday Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wednesday February 7th 1996 Come-Unity's at 1015 Folsom with Simon Garth Jeno and in the basement: Jason and Velocett from 10pm till 4.30am (New entrance on Folsom St.) [The Come-Unity web site is sadly outdated and extremely boring due to the server being used was only temporary! When we sort out a more permanent site we'll post it. Thanks.] From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 07:08:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA26525; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:08:54 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA26510; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:08:49 -0800 Received: from by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB10013; Tue, 6 Feb 96 10:07:02 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:12:44 -0500 To: "Hugh O'Connor" From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: my illogical teleology ;) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:57 PM 2/5/96, Hugh O'Connor wrote: >The idea of a design, a telos, of >the universe goes back to before the writing of Genesis. Teleological >thought has been present in almost all major Western worldviews, including >Judeo-Christianity, Hegelianism, and Marxism. The problem with faith in >historically linear progress is its failure to explain the Holocaust, >Stalin, Pol Pot, African famine and all other mass miseries of the >twentieth century. Consciousness, the quality of life, whatever, is not >getting better for the majority of human beings; it's getting worse. What's your epistemological basis for this? Similarly, what's one's epistemological basis for saying things are getting better? One's own subjective perceptions, which are based upon a huge amount of factors. So, i try to say "things are getting more complex" which, imho, is the closest one can get to any sort of objective 'truth'. I suppose if one were able to inhabit 6 billion different subjectivities, and have some sort of 'better/worse' scale in which to measure their life experiences, and still believed in linear 'progress/regress'one might be able to say things are getting worse or better. > All teleologies have a subject; for Marx it was >the industrial proletariat, for Judaism it's the Jewish people. What >is the subject of Sean's teleology? The residents of the seventh >level of consciousness? Separation of human into "enlightened" and >"unenlightened" categories can get dangerous. I for one don't want a >Brave New World. Don't quote me on this, and i'm not speaking for Sean here but i would say that my own personal teleology is not found in "enlightened people" nor in "god" nor in "myself" nor in "the urban proletariat" nor in "god" or "God". I see things as having a 'grand design', one so intricate that it seems chaotic but chaos (IMHO) is only the lack of ability to discern pattern based on one's viewing of scale/perspective. "God" or "god" in my mind, is not 'out there', it's a small fragment of a whole that we are part of. We're merely a small equation in the 'god fractal' which _is_ part of a grand design. I think sean's point is that he (and i, and others) are trying to become more and more aware (awareness being somewhat synonymous with 'conscious') of our own position within the unfolding of the 'god fractal'. For me, this is something that appears to unfold over time, but this is only said because we view time in a linear way. A fractal exists in an infinite dimension, all points simultaneously. Our progression through it with our own subjectivities gives us the impression that 'time is passing' or 'the universe is unfolding' but it's been here all along, is now and will be in the 'future'. I guess the point would be to bootstrap one's self to higher states of perspective to take in larger synthesized visons of the world, and that process (for me at least) means ridding myself of desires to see things one way or another, to clean my doors of perception to see things 'as they are.' I'm not having much luck lately but it certainly feels right to me :) peace, brad ps-->i'm not even going to touch the whole: accepting everything/wanting to change things paradox. I'm TOTALLY lost on this one. Similarly, if you rid yourself of desire and expectation in your perceptions, how do you push yourself into the future, ie: without any sort of goal, or preconception? Akk! ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 07:21:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA27299; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:21:25 -0800 Received: from tuna.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA27291; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:21:22 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by tuna.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA02544; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:21:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 07:21:21 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602061521.HAA02544@tuna.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: good music Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i am looking for (amongst other things) a track called "MARCH" by THE LOOK. I heard it on a simon tape......(narcotic)....it's the shit. I actually need not one, but two copies.....(YEAH RIGHT !!!!!) but I will settle for one........ ............I will trade for one of my many records (I have over 35 crates of music).....some of which I'll never play again due to changes in my proggramming I do have a lot of old techno, and deep house trax....lots of diva wailing shit........great for the up and coming house Dj. many classics etc.....will trade or sell (within reason) I will compile weekly lists of the sort of tracks I am trading, and what I am looking for I am also looking for a track called "the night train"by Kadoc its on the "urban sounds of amsterdam" label- reletively new i think THANX - moonpup 415-337-6666 moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 08:04:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA00620; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:04:13 -0800 Received: from pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA00609; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:04:09 -0800 Received: from [128.32.192.224] (ch051.Chance.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.192.224]) by pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA11983; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:04:01 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:04:01 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu (David Ginsberg) Subject: Re: drug info request --non-rave? Cc: snowdeal@elwha.evergreen.edu Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tony - your description sounds like niacin, which is used to detox and which makes your skin flush for awhile while the capillaries near the surface of the skin become dialated. I've never heard of taking lithium for detox purposes. Are you sure this is what you took? Michal is right, it is commonly used as an antidepressent/mood stabilizer, and as far as I know it only works in that capacity with long-term consumption. I haven't heard of any recreational uses of lithium...but if anyone hears of anything let me know. love, David >My brother works at GNC and last christmas he gave me some lithium to >take to "detoxify" my system...it made my skin feel sunburnt for a while, >but I didnt see any particular reason to do this recreationally. And >afterwards I felt pretty much the same so as to the detox effects...I >dont know, ask your local GNC nutritionist :) Hope that this helps > >-Tony Rose > >On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Michal Migurski wrote: > >> Hi everyone... I've searched the hyperreal drug archives and _everything_ >> but I can't find the answer to a simple question: >> >> what does lithium do? >> >> I know it's an anti-depressant and everything, but there are people who >> take it recreationally--- why? what are its effects-- both positive and >> negative? >> >> thanks in advance-- >> -mikey. >> >> p.s. Marco Mancia are you around? I've sent you a couple of e-mails but no >> response; what's your address? it's Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com >> right? lemme know if I got it wrong. >> >> >> ****************************************************************************** David Ginsberg Student of Cognitive Science and the Human Experience University of California, Berkeley ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu http://www.geopages.com/athens/2001 **************************************************************************** ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 08:52:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA05334; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:52:06 -0800 Received: from shgc.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA05328; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:52:02 -0800 Received: from [171.65.76.81] by shgc.Stanford.EDU (8.6.10/inc-1.0) id QAA22481; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:52:00 GMT Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:52:00 GMT Message-Id: <199602061652.QAA22481@shgc.Stanford.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU (Mark Piercy) Subject: Re: Wicked... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I can sympathize with you!!, but one lesson I've learned is that the time you get to a party like Wicked matters alot, I got there at about 3:30 and by 4 or so all the people not really there to dance or for the Music/Vibe are long gone by then. I saw many smillin faces and even met a few new people and stayed till ~8. Oh ya another thing-no alcohol after 2 so most attidude starts to dissapate by then. Have Fun Mark! >Ever feel sorry for the guy who picked door #2 and got the year's supply of >anti-freeze? Why did we pick Wicked!? Yes, I know, we must generate our >experience and feelings regardless of negative influences like (bad) >environment, people, music, etc., but it helps when your surroundings are >positive. > >Wicked was kind of a slap in the face of a pleasant string of amazing >parties the last few months. > >Two words: meat market > >Oh, and alchohol, attitudes, I-work-at-the-gap >ivy-league/macho-military/gangbanger/lamer/misc. attendees as well. This >kind of event could make a non-believer out of anyone. > >Shirtless muscular but beer-bellied beat-up-corvette-driving white >pimp-wannabes with thin mustaches flexing for my unwilling girlfriend, who >almost got us killed with her reaction. > >Maybe 10 real people in the place, the rest were something else, I don't >know and don't want to know. I'm not saying I'm better thant they are, I >just don't like having people like this at parties when they act the way >they do. > >Lesson #1: If there's a large alchohol bar inside and one floor, go >someplace else. Lesson #2: If 5 college jocks with flattops standing behind >you in line say amongst themselves, "Fu-k man, I can't believe people dance >to this crap thump thump thump for fu-king hours!" then go someplace else. > >Ok, I just needed to tell my story. Somehow we blocked out the >people and had some fun, but man was it hard. Looking forward to wiser >choices, > > >_________________________________________ >Rob Adams, Animator Time Warner Interactive >WK: radams@agames.com HM: radams71@aol.com >(408)434-3700 http://www.rivendell.com/radams/dgpage/ >"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." > --Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 ____________________________________________________ ****************Sleep deprivation is a good high.***************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 08:54:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA05483; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:54:59 -0800 Received: from athens.SJSU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA05474; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:54:55 -0800 Received: (from g1pasqui@localhost) by athens.SJSU.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.11) id IAA07924; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:54:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Gioni D. Pasquinelli" To: Aaron_Edsinger cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Candlestick FMRs (was: law and order. and a little naivete) In-Reply-To: <199602011909.LAA08851@mailsun2.us.oracle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This was one of the better FMR's that I made it to as well, though it was short and it was cloudy so we didn't see much of the moon. Also after the cops had shown up and the system shut down, a drum circle started and kept everything going for a while... It was awesome! G On 1 Feb 1996, Aaron_Edsinger wrote: > Acutally, I remember the June 3rd/4th FMR of 93 (It was my 21st b-day!), which > was held at the Water Temple.....fantastic as usual, and then 30+ cops in riot > gear showed up and everyone kept dancing, including some making 30 foot shadow > dancers in the headlights of the cop cars, until they finally sent everyone > home....so it was moved to Candlestick. I didn't make it, instead opting for > the free breakfast at Denny's and a CS final. > > ---------------->aaron From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 09:42:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA09240; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:42:21 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA09234; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:42:15 -0800 Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tjrPF-0005WNC; Tue, 6 Feb 96 09:42 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 96 09:42 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Hi :) I need your views - reviews & toptens Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi Y'all Remember about a week ago...I shamelessly spammed my way across this fine list with the announcement of the online version of my new-ish magazine called ".com" Well here's another. I want some input from you. I created this zine for us..and our words. I want from you --> reviews, of whatever you spin, or listen to. I dont want my zine to be limited just to the 'underground'..I want it to read universally. I want --> toptens, I want to know and want everyone who visits to know what you think is up in your scene. Let us know :) I want --> to know whats going on in your area. I am creating a page for ppl selling gear and trax. I am also creating a page for you and YOUR scene. Parties..events..raves..git togethers of any sort. Pictures, write-ups, announcements. Give me a shout...I really want to hear from you :) Or just come by and say hi. (ps .com online can only be viewed with the latest versions of Netscape-at least vers 2.0 anyway :) well you can use other viewers...but why? ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** for dj's, musicians, artists, web-mistress'/masters and net-surfers come by and say Hi Today! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 09:55:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA10243; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:55:48 -0800 Received: from pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10207; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:55:27 -0800 Received: from [128.32.192.224] (ch051.Chance.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.192.224]) by pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA15554; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:55:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:55:14 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: casy - a gay boy from San Francisco From: ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu (David Ginsberg) Subject: sex & food for thought (was: good government) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Casy, My neurobiology profesor Walter Freeman has done soem really interesting research on meaning and intentionality, and one of his conclusions is that BRAINS NEED SEX! The release of oxytocin during lovemaking, and especially during orgasm, aids in the breaking down of the 'intentional structure' in the brain (the structure in which meaning is embodied.) Really interesting stuff. Without sex, we tend to become rigid & less able to cope with change, not to mention more fearful. Maybe that's what happened to Gingrich! peacelovejoy, David >> Here's a wild thought, probably get flamed for it. If hitler was able to >> spend more time in a loving enviroment and got the opportunity to trance >> out by dancing to techno, he might not have done the horrible things he did. >> Of course if he was exposed to loving enviroments more in his life enough >> to make a difference, he wouldn't be hitler. >> >> :) >> peter >> >OK...so probably it is a good thing thath one of the most active centres >of rave is in Germany today. Let's hope if there are any would be Hitlers >they dance out their anxiety before they start doing bad things:) > >My version of this is if that Christians truely wanted to end violence >then they would argue for free love and love making instead of >abstenence. One reason why European youth commits less crime is that >they have more sex and they are too relaxed to run around killing people:) >Think about it: French couples supposedly have sex 5 times a week, Americans >2.5 times a weeks. There is too much agression there still undrained:) > >peace & free love:) > >casy ****************************************************************************** David Ginsberg Student of Cognitive Science and the Human Experience University of California, Berkeley ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu http://www.geopages.com/athens/2001 "Always remember you are totally unique, just like everybody else..." ; ) **************************************************************************** ** From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 10:15:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA12433; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:15:50 -0800 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA12421; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:15:36 -0800 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM (pinbot.nit.airtouch.com) by Zool.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-Zool:MLC:950320-01) id AA23985; Tue, 6 Feb 96 10:15:29 PST Received: from eon.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA28488; Tue, 6 Feb 96 10:15:28 PST From: pauld@nit.AirTouch.COM (Paul Duey) Message-Id: <9602061815.AA28488@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: Wicked... To: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU (Mark Piercy) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:15:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199602061652.QAA22481@shgc.Stanford.EDU> from "Mark Piercy" at Feb 6, 96 04:52:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3173 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My first Wicked was in November. That was the best experience I had with raving up until then. (That was before the Gathering in December, could anything top that, ever?). I'd been to a few raves and had a decent time, but that first Wicked was a transforming experience. Was last Saturday's Wicked different, or is it me? How should I know? But I too had the feeling that many people were there just trying to mate. It added too much noise to the vibe. Thanks to Tony Humphries (that was Tony Humphries right?) for letting me just close my eyes and get into the music and dance despite it all. see you at Vision? -p Mark Piercy wrote: > > I can sympathize with you!!, but one lesson I've learned is that the time > you get to a party like Wicked matters alot, I got there at about 3:30 and > by 4 or so all the people not really there to dance or for the Music/Vibe > are long gone by then. I saw many smillin faces and even met a few new > people and stayed till ~8. Oh ya another thing-no alcohol after 2 so most > attidude starts to dissapate by then. > > Have Fun > Mark! > > >Ever feel sorry for the guy who picked door #2 and got the year's supply of > >anti-freeze? Why did we pick Wicked!? Yes, I know, we must generate our > >experience and feelings regardless of negative influences like (bad) > >environment, people, music, etc., but it helps when your surroundings are > >positive. > > > >Wicked was kind of a slap in the face of a pleasant string of amazing > >parties the last few months. > > > >Two words: meat market > > > >Oh, and alchohol, attitudes, I-work-at-the-gap > >ivy-league/macho-military/gangbanger/lamer/misc. attendees as well. This > >kind of event could make a non-believer out of anyone. > > > >Shirtless muscular but beer-bellied beat-up-corvette-driving white > >pimp-wannabes with thin mustaches flexing for my unwilling girlfriend, who > >almost got us killed with her reaction. > > > >Maybe 10 real people in the place, the rest were something else, I don't > >know and don't want to know. I'm not saying I'm better thant they are, I > >just don't like having people like this at parties when they act the way > >they do. > > > >Lesson #1: If there's a large alchohol bar inside and one floor, go > >someplace else. Lesson #2: If 5 college jocks with flattops standing behind > >you in line say amongst themselves, "Fu-k man, I can't believe people dance > >to this crap thump thump thump for fu-king hours!" then go someplace else. > > > >Ok, I just needed to tell my story. Somehow we blocked out the > >people and had some fun, but man was it hard. Looking forward to wiser > >choices, > > > > > >_________________________________________ > >Rob Adams, Animator Time Warner Interactive > >WK: radams@agames.com HM: radams71@aol.com > >(408)434-3700 http://www.rivendell.com/radams/dgpage/ > >"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." > > --Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 > > > > ____________________________________________________ > ****************Sleep deprivation is a good high.***************** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 11:39:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA19611; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:39:46 -0800 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19560; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:39:36 -0800 Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA15010; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:39:03 -0500 Date: 06 Feb 96 14:13:59 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: another Wicked opinion Message-ID: <960206191358_71165.755_GHL99-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I agree that Wicked was a little off this month -- they got started a little late (doors opened around 11:15 or so) but at least it wasn't raining in the line then -- and the music never really hit the groove that MAKES me get up and dance. Thomas's set was weird and often non-dancable, and Garth and Jeno trading off was good, but too short. Tony Humphries plays good hard classic house which I enjoyed, but I think 4 hours (or whatever it was) is too long for anyone to sustain a groove - sometimes we just need a change! I was there after being sick in bed for 6 days and probably shouldn't have been out at all, but I just had to go and hook up with my Wicked friends - who were there and made it worth it! -- The Wicked crowed is always a little clubbier, gangier, more streetwise than a lot of other parties - partly because it is over 21 only -- but I never see much heavy drinking going on there -- and maybe a lot of the regulars took that drive down to Santa Cruz Saturday -- I go out to all sorts of places (though avoid that cruisy meat-market-won't-you-go-home-with-me-tonight-energy), and choose them based primarily on the music, making sure it's a place I can happily dance alone without attracting unwanted advances. My advice, when you find yourself next to people whose vibe isn't what you need right then ... is to move somewhere else. Find the smiling people with the right energy and go near them! There were lots of groovy dancin' corners at Wicked Saturday night, and some good space upstairs too. I'd personally like to thank the people who made sure that there was toilet paper, etc -- this is the first time I remember no overflows all night long at that space -- so if that was the Wicked crew who asked King St to take care of it, thanks! Now, if we can just get the security people to chill about flashing their flashlights on us unexpectedly like we are in Cell Block 9, we're on our way! (Still would love to see this party move somewhere else though!) See you all soon! Leslie : ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 12:40:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA26294; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:40:52 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA26202; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:40:41 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA26798; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:40:38 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA01540; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:37:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Serenity To: Brian DarknEs^2 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960206015031.006d47c0@199.89.140.103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thank you for your glorious $0.02 and telling me just what is right or wrong for this list. I didn't post the poems as propaganda for a 12-step program. Shawna posted a mangled version of the Serenity prayer, and I thought I'd provide the real thing because it's a bit nicer. *EXCUSE ME* for caring. If you want a debate into the effectiveness of a 12-step program, go for it, but take it up with me privately. I probably won't debate because I don't care that much. If you don't think it has a place on this list, don't read that one post, but don't tell me not to post it. I was just contributing to the list as a whole. Somehow I don't get where you get off flaming me for a post with innocent intentions when you post a lot of stuff I find inane. But, I'd never tell you not to post because you have a right to do what you like. Oh yeah, I have plenty of experience with 12-step programs, but thanks for belittling me publicly about anything related to them. That surely has a place on this list according to you, oh high one. Everyone else, I deeply apologise for the bad feelings I am creating, etc. I would have posted this privately, but since Brian flamed me publicly, somehow I'm left feeling I should defend myself publicly. This is my last post on this topic, as flaming just isn't my forte. Nor will I feel bad for having good intentions. Sincerely, kirsten On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Brian DarknEs^2 wrote: > BY YOUR COMMAND; > > Though I respect your divine right to freedom of speech & > expression, I would just like to say, that ****I***** feel 12 Step Rhetoric > has no place on this list. I have found in my own experience that most of > the 12 Step Programs & most of the so called theory behind them, though they > help many people, are repressive, binding, depressing, filled wth hateful > Christian Rhetoric, unempowering; especially for womyn, and a overall > substitute for maturity. YOU are powerful, YOU are light, not some unseen, > unproven, merricless ameba called God/Higher Power. I believe these programs > are evil for they remove self awareness, which limits growth & change with > the exception of their guide lines, as opposed to your own thoughts feelings > & ideas. > > I would be more than happy to attempt to enlighten you with regard > to these 12 Step programs and what they do to people who they can't help, > through private e-mail......... > > At 02:20 PM 2/5/96 -0800, you wrote: > >For Shawna and everyone else; --------(please spare me) > > >God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change, the > >courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. > > > >--Anonymous----- (I clearly understand why) > > Ack, puke, vomit, lurch, scream, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! > > >(this is know as the Serenity Prayer in 12-step programs, but one that we > >can surely all use) > > > >Another related one is: > > > Yesterday is just a dream and Tomorrow is only a vision, but > >Today, well-lived, makes every Yesterday a dream of happiness and every > >Tomorrow a vision of hope. > > More of the same............. > > > 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... > see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 13:36:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA02701; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:36:47 -0800 Received: from violet.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02690; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:36:42 -0800 From: sboyer@violet.berkeley.edu Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.7.1/1.33r) id NAA05181; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:36:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199602062136.NAA05181@violet.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: drug info request (the straight dope) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:36:33 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A quick search of my notes on psychoactive drugs turned up some info you might be interested in. Lithium is a drug used primeraly to treat manic-depressive disorder. It's given as lithium carbonate in some pretty high doses. Typically, the drug takes about four to ten days to take effect at about 1 to 2 grams a day. Keep in mind you only take about a quarter to an eighth of this with a hit of E -- this is a lot of drug. The drug seems to work by inhibiting a neurotransmitter which promotes the manic episodes, which are caused by too rapid transmission of information back and forth in the brain. Is it a recreational drug? I don't think so. Given how much of it you have to take and the length of onset (I've witnessed this one through indirect experience), you'd be better off seeking thrills elsewhere. Another question is how being *on* lithium for a while effects your experiences of other drugs. I have heard of funky combinations, but have no idea what they were or what the effects were. I think that like most things, it's best not to mix your chemicals and leave the lithium on the shelf. take care, steve -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Steve Boyer sboyer@violet.berkeley.edu | | http://violet.berkeley.edu/~sboyer | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 13:48:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA03909; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:48:35 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA03890; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:48:25 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for sfraves@hyperreal.com id NAA08011; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:46:25 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9602061346.ZM8009@isis.source.net> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:46:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Flaming Serenity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey lets remember not to "kill the messenger"! Both Kirsten and Brian are saying the same thing, they just happen to package it differently. Many of us on this list are actively attempting to create "serenity" or "light" (fill in your word of choice) in our lives and in the lives of the people around us. Whatever you call it, its still the same thing! I feel like Brian's reaction to Kirsten's post of the Serenity prayer is obviously coming from some past "negative experiences" and so it prompted me to write the following (not just to Brian): To Brian and others who choose keep the past alive: The experiences that you have that you perceive as being "bad" or "negative" are really just incredible chances for you to learn something new. The most "horrible" experience will change you for the better, if you steer yourself without the crutch of "victim mentality". I believe that your experiences WILL make you stronger and more centered, but you need to stop feeding the past with energy stolen from today. I'm not trying to be a wiseguy or tell anyone else how to live, I say this only because it works for me. However, it takes a real commitment to change your perception to view even the harshest times as positive. with love and respect -a. -- Anne Petrie Third Wave Solutions, Inc. E-mail: anne@source.net Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 14:03:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA05357; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:03:40 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA05228; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:03:04 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA02783; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:02:59 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA15095; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:02:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers cc: nw-raves@hyperreal.com, Loredana Olson , "Randal L. Schwartz" , "Ted H. Drayton IV" , Darrin Fossella , Susie Kameny , Roy Kern , RANDY , Rick Lasarow , Brent Smith Subject: NON_RAVE -ALERT: 48 Hours of Protest: turn your WWW pages black Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >======================================================================== > > JOIN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF OTHER INTERNET USERS IN > > * 48 HOURS OF PROTEST * > > AFTER PRESIDENT CLINTON SIGNS THE BILL THAT WILL CENSOR THE INTERNET > > Update: -Latest News: Congress passed the net censorship language > on 2/1/96. > > -What You Can Do Now: Help demonstrate the extent of the > impact of the Internet Censorship legislation. Join > Hundreds of thousands of Internet Users in an > International protest for 48 hours after Clinton > Signs the bill. > > CAMPAIGN TO STOP THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT > Feb 3, 1996 (expires Feb 29, 1996) > > PLEASE WIDELY REDISTRIBUTE THIS DOCUMENT WITH THIS BANNER INTACT > > This alert and coalition coordinated by the > Voters Telecommunications Watch (vtw@vtw.org) >________________________________________________________________________ >CONTENTS > The Latest News > What You Can Do Now > Chronology of the CDA > For More Information > List Of Participating Organizations >________________________________________________________________________ >THE LATEST NEWS > >Last week Congress approved sweeping restrictions on online speech and >conduct, imposing fines of $250,000 and jail sentences of 2 years for >anyone who makes "indecent" material available in a public forum online. > >This legislation threatens the very existence of the Internet as a viable >means of free expression, education, and political discourse. > >Despite loud objections from civil liberties groups and the public, >the measure is part of a massive telecommunications bill that President >Clinton has already pledged to sign. Although you should feel free to >continue to express your objections directly to the President, there are >other ways to express our outrage for this legislation. The President >is expected to sign this bill into law during the week of Feb 5-9, 1996. > >For 48 hours after Clinton signs the Telecommunications Reform bill into law, >join hundreds of thousands of Internet users everywhere to show the far >reaching impact this bill will have on all Internet users. TURN YOUR >WORLD WIDE WEB PAGES BLACK with white lettering to demonstrate that the >Internet will not accept this kind of second class treatment from the >United States Government. > >________________________________________________________________________ >WHAT YOU CAN DO NOW > >1. For 48 hours after Clinton signs the net censorship language in the > Telecomm bill into law, TURN YOUR WORLD WIDE WEB PAGES BLACK with > white lettering. To know when the bill is signed, check these > sources: > > Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-disob > Email:vtw-announce@vtw.org (watch for mail on this list) > WWW:http://www.vtw.org/ > Finger:vtw@panix.com > > You can also just watch CNN; they'll announce the signing of the bill. > > To turn your pages black with white lettering, simply add the following > tag to your World Wide Web pages: > > > > > Put this right after your tags, and before any tags. > To explain to people who may be confused by the color change, temporarily > add the following link to your page: > > My World Wide Web Pages are > black for 48 hours to protest second-class treatment from the > US Government for free speech. Read about it at this WWW > page. > > The Center for Democracy and Technology has also agreed to mirror a > similar page at URL:http://www.cdt.org/speech.html > > If your pages get lots of hits from services that cache their pages like > America Online, you may wish to start turning your pages black early. > Please try and wait though until Clinton signs the bill, for maximum > effect. > > Also, urge your Internet Provider and any Internet WWW pages you > frequent to turn their pages black. Send us interesting sites that > comply to vtw@vtw.org. > > $ Mail vtw@vtw.org > Subject: ZTV.COM is turning their pages black! > > I'm the head of the ZTV Website and I've decided to turn our > pages black. Thought you'd like to know. > > ^D > Mail sent! > >2. Don't forget to send Clinton a message, contact him at: > > Email:president@whitehouse.gov > Telephone:202-456-1111 > Fax:202-456-2461 > > > Sample communique: > > > You're about to sign a bill into law that imposes a terrible > set of speech restrictions on the Internet that belong in the > broadcast medium, not the interactive one. > > I'm turning my World Wide Web pages BLACK for 48 hours after you > sign the bill as a symbol of protest to show how many people will > be affected by this bill. > > It is unlikely that he will veto the bill. > >3. Make a commitment become involved! There will be several court cases > coming up to challenge the Internet censorship legislation, as well as > an election that will put every single member of the House, and 1/3rd > of the Senate (most of whom voted for this legislation) onto the ballot. > > Don't let them get away with this. Make this a campaign issue, and > keep an eye out for legal defense funds for those challenging these > laws in court. > >________________________________________________________________________ >CHRONOLOGY OF THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT > >Feb 1, '96 The House and Senate pass the Telecomm Bill (S652/HR1555) > 414-16 and 91-5. >Jan 31, '96 The House and Senate prepare to signoff on the conference > report for the Telecomm bill and rush a vote to the floor. >Dec 7, '95 The House half of the Telecomm conference committee > votes the "indecency" standard for online speech into > the Telecomm Deregulation bill. >Sep 26, '95 Sen. Russ Feingold urges committee members to drop > Managers Amendment and the CDA from the Telecommunications > Deregulation bill >Aug 4, '95 House passes HR1555 which goes into conference with S652. >Aug 4, '95 House votes to attach Managers Amendment (which contains > new criminal penalties for speech online) to > Telecommunications Reform bill (HR1555). >Aug 4, '95 House votes 421-4 to attach HR1978 to Telecommunications > Reform bill (HR1555). >Jun 30, '95 Cox and Wyden introduce the "Internet Freedom and Family > Empowerment Act" (HR 1978) as an alternative to the CDA. >Jun 21, '95 Several prominent House members publicly announce their > opposition to the CDA, including Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), > Rep. Chris Cox (R-CA), and Rep. Ron Wyden (D-OR). >Jun 14, '95 The Senate passes the CDA as attached to the Telecomm > reform bill (S 652) by a vote of 84-16. The Leahy bill > (S 714) is not passed, but is supported by 16 Senators > who understand the Internet. >May 24, '95 The House Telecomm Reform bill (HR 1555) leaves committee > in the House with the Leahy alternative attached to it, > thanks to Rep. Ron Klink of (D-PA). The Communications > Decency Act is not attached to it. >Apr 7, '95 Sen. Leahy (D-VT) introduces S.714, an alternative to > the Exon/Gorton bill, which commissions the Dept. of > Justice to study the problem to see if additional legislation > (such as the CDA) is necessary. >Mar 23, '95 S314 amended and attached to the telecommunications reform > bill by Sen. Gorton (R-WA). Language provides some provider > protection, but continues to infringe upon email privacy > and free speech. >Feb 21, '95 HR1004 referred to the House Commerce and Judiciary committees >Feb 21, '95 HR1004 introduced by Rep. Johnson (D-SD) >Feb 1, '95 S314 referred to the Senate Commerce committee >Feb 1, '95 S314 introduced by Sen. Exon (D-NE) and Gorton (R-WA). > >________________________________________________________________________ >FOR MORE INFORMATION > >Web Sites (roughly in alphabetical order) > URL:http://www.vtw.org/ > URL:http://www.cdt.org/cda.html > URL:http://www.cpsr.org/ > URL:http://www.eff.org/pub/Alerts/ > URL:http://epic.org/ > >Email: > cda-info@cdt.org (General CDA information) > cda-stat@cdt.org (Current status of the CDA) > >________________________________________________________________________ >LIST OF PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATIONS AND BUSINESSES > >In order to use the net more effectively, several organizations have >joined forces on a single Congressional net campaign to stop the >Communications Decency Act. Because the list is so long, we've been >forced to omit many fine organizations. See the VTW Free Speech Web Page >at URL:http://www.vtw.org/speech/ for the whole list. > > >Public Interest Organizations Businesses > >Voters Telecommunications Watch (VTW) | ECHO (www.echonyc.com) > | Hotwired (www.hotwired.com) >Center For Democracy And Technology (CDT) | Mindvox (www.phantom.com) >Center for Public Representation (CPR) | Panix (www.panix.com) >Computer Professionals for | The WELL (www.well.com) > Social Responsibility (CPSR) | Wired (www.wired.com) >Cyber-Rights Campaign +------------------------- >Electronic Fronter Foundation (EFF), > and independent regional Electronic > Frontier organizations >Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) > Feminists for Free Expression Hands! Off The Net >Internet Users Consortium (IUC) Joint Artists' and Music >The Libertarian Party (LP) Promotions Political Action >National Campaign for Freedom of Expression Committee (JAMPAC) >National Coalition Against Censorship (NCAC) National Gay and Lesbian >National Writers Union (NWU) Task Force (NGLTF) >People for the American Way (PFAW) Republican Liberty Caucus > >________________________________________________________________________ > End Alert >======================================================================== > -- Carmen D. Nobel Northwestern University Medill School of Journalism c-nobel@nwu.edu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 14:09:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA05960; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:09:19 -0800 Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA05954; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:09:13 -0800 Received: from by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id OAA18705; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:08:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:08:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199602062208.OAA18705@ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: sunboy@ix.netcom.com (Matthew P. Korich ) Subject: CFMP review To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The communal full moon this weekend was pretty crazy. The rain was not defeating though. There were two meetings for this months project with many fun people working together. The party started out under a freeway overpass out between Vallejo and Fairfield however the police showed up and informed us that we could not be there just before the equipment got unloaded. (nice try) However a few of the planners talked to the cops and told them what was going on etc. and the police told us a place we all could go to have the celebration! Wow. A note was left telling people to call the voicemail back for new directions. The new location was really crazy out in the middle of a farmland road near the runway of an airforce base. The rain stopped for awhile however a while later was comming down pretty good. A tent was set up for the soundsystem and tables with a small area for keeping dry. A small altar with flowers, food, incense, candles, etc. was set up in front of the turntables which gave the cold wetness a little warmth. There was also a small fire built in the middle of the dance area which managed to burn even in the rain. It was a very tribal evening with an amazing set by MinorMinor. As the rain came down all who were present seemed to get down more and more. Monty came on next with a terrific sound that sent even more shouts and whistles into the air. About forty people were present and grovin. Unfortunately some board sherriffs showed up who had heard about the gathering via radio and actually went to the old location found the note and called the voicemail to chase us out in the rain. They said we couldn't be on the road in case of a emergancy on the runway? I personally believe they just wanted to be ass holes. We were told by the last police group that we would be left alone and that there wasn't anything we could damage or disturb out there. Oh well, everyone got together in a small circle to close. The rain started to pour at that point so everyone helped pack it up. There were some great hardcore groovers there that I can't wait to see soon! Hope no one gets too sick! Well that's it for my review hope everyone had a great weekend! -Claire From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 14:12:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA06139; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:12:40 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA06133; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:12:34 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp409.liberty.com [206.17.67.73]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA23526; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:11:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960206221232.006ceb5c@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 14:12:32 -0800 To: KaySEE From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: The Way I Usually Like To Handle......, Re: Serenity Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Sorry, I didn't handle her respondence very well. This is the way I usually like to clarify what someone posted rather than biting their head off. The following a few excerpts from a post about Goa Trance between me another person: Would you please clarify whether it's YOU personally who do not like Goa Trance, or are you saying Goa Trance as form or style of Trance is in bad taste, or artistically undesirable? At 08:04 PM 1/24/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>At 02:26 PM 1/23/96 -0800, you wrote: >> >>>Say there, Senor Darkness, perhaps you can educate a bright, if easily >>>distracted, young man. What exactly is "goa trance"? How would it >differ >>>from regular garden variety trance? > > IMO. "goa" trance is the "cheesy" or "unintelligent" side of >trance. Trance without passion. It's the only trance that isn't trance >inducing! I believe it only earned a reputation as being "goa" because >record companies tried SO hard. WHY? Maybe because it is totally easy >to mass produce. > I think goa is the opposite of underground. The difference is in >the artist's intentions when they create the piece of music. If it was >intended to trance them out, it will end up being more underground. If >it was intended to sell records it will end up being more "goa"ey. > It is hard to tell the difference at first, or distinguish what >is actually cheesy about it at all... But it is NOT a product of the >underground. When I and my friends go shopping for music, it has turned >into searching for the things that are the LEAST goa-ie. You could take this respondence to my post many ways, but that's what I did to get at the true clear meaning of what this person really meant: My final responance to them: > That's why I asked you to clarify your statements, before I bit you head off. = > >I'm becoming more & more convinced that the written word, without the aid of visual >ques, can often be interpreted many different ways by many different people. So >anymore, before I jump up on my soap box, I take a breath, and ask for more clarity >from the person in question. Anymore, and it's a real effort sometimes to always be >this aware; but I try & take what most people say, most of the time, in the most >positive, & care free interpretation that I can think of. They usually mean it that way >anyway; even though their are people who hate themselves so much, & are so blinded >by their own pain, they can see no good in anyone or anything. Or, I will take it as the >person in question is expressing THEIR likes, desires. opinions, & beliefs, with no >judgements toward me, or anyone else. But, I always expect them to be totally unlike >myself, and sometimes I'm pleasently surprised that I've found a soul mate. > We are all beautiful, we are all uniquely wonderful; even if it's just by virtual that >no one else in the world, in the UNIVERSE!!!, is like us. We are truly priceless works >of art, like the Last Supper or the Mona Lisa. Only they will stand the test of time >longer than we will, which makes us even more priceless. Yet we are so quick to hurt >& harm one other, including myself for I am human like you. When it's awareness, >and lack of tolerance/acceptance, clarity & understanding that are the real problems. > Thanks for getting back to me and clarifying your understanding of Goa Trance. At 07:46 PM 1/25/96 -0500, you wrote: >Whoa... didn't expect all that... I was only expressing what I >understand "goa" to mean. I was NOT trying to say "i'm right". I >love the beauty of individuality. Change is even better! I am exited and >open to understanding and incorperating your ideas. I would recommend this rather than the way I went about it, it's much better than just going off like I did. There are just some topics I find that choke any and all reason out of me for I find them so obsence & offensive. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 14:22:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA06904; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:22:49 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA06898; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:22:39 -0800 Received: from sfasc185.slip.net (sfasc185.slip.net [206.14.14.185]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06464 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:22:27 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:22:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199602062222.OAA06464@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Frequency 8) Subject: MOS EISLEY TONIGHT *bsp* Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tuesday Feb.6 MOS EISLEY SPACEPORT Cyber-trance/Techno with D.J.'s Solar Acid Casualty MYSTR-E from Spiral Tribe 10 P.M.-2 A.M. $3 21+ At Club Boomerang 1840 Haight St. @Stanyan (415) 387-2996 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 14:28:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA07606; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:28:34 -0800 Received: from hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA07595; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:28:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199602062228.OAA07595@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: by hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA037805937; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:32:17 -0800 From: Erik Bartels Subject: a.d. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 6 Feb 96 14:32:16 PST Cc: accompli@sirius.com Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk a.d. at bahia tonight erik,jack acid,liveSetDub(sp23,network23,spiraltribe),ufo&noel(funkateck) $3 18togetin 21+todrink 10p-2a.... mentaltechnomeetsdrumNbass.... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 17:11:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA21685; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:11:31 -0800 Received: from violet.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21678; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:11:25 -0800 Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.7.1/1.33r) id RAA10324; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:11:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Rose To: anne petrie cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Lithium? In-Reply-To: <9602061147.ZM5746@isis.source.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh shoot! I am such a dummy, I mistook lithium for niacin! So my previous comments about lithium are null and void and also devoid of any factual information and completely wrong! I have never took lithium but I have took niacin and it made me feel sunburnt , sorry for the mis-information. -Tony Rose On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, anne petrie wrote: > I was under the impression that Lithium was only available with a doctor's > prescription. Can you really get it at a GNC? Please let me know, I'm > interested! > > thanks! > -anne > > -- > Anne Petrie > Third Wave Solutions, Inc. > E-mail: anne@source.net > Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 19:13:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA02550; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:13:09 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA02536; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:13:00 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id TAA28981; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:12:40 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: SDream@tgrigsby.com Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Doc Martin Date: 06 Feb 1996 15:08:40 GMT Message-Id: <651197.9291471@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk DO you really think, Doc would put out a website??????!!!!!!!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 20:59:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA10239; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:59:14 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA10233; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:59:11 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:58:57 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:58:43 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: Doc Martin Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:08 AM 2/6/96, Marco A. Mancia wrote:>DO you really think, Doc would put out a website??????!!!!!!!!! I talked to Doc last night, and to the best of my knowledge, he doesn't have a web site. -w ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 21:38:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA12792; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:38:25 -0800 Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA12779; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:38:19 -0800 Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id AAA04183; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:37:04 -0500 Date: 06 Feb 96 23:54:22 EST From: mac <70730.2126@compuserve.com> To: cute gay boy from San Francisco Cc: sfraves Subject: Re: where to go next weekend? Message-ID: <960207045421_70730.2126_CHK49-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hi, >Does anyone know which party is expected to be the most fun next weekend. >peace >casy Try XNTRK Fri nite. ... the line up is fucking great... then go to Vision Sat nite, go to church Sunday and do MAD monday :) PLUS... dont forget Harmony on the 16th... this is prolly one of THE best parties around... These guys hardly ever do better than break even on on a party. Dont miss it... great vibe and great value. hugz :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 22:18:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA15773; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:18:39 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA15767; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:18:36 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA26765; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:18:35 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:18:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199602070618.WAA26765@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Doc Martin Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >DO you really think, Doc would put out a website??????!!!!!!!!! Well, yes. Is that so startling? If party promoters can put up web sites, why not DJs? And if not a website, then at least an email address. You know, so folks like yourself could find out where he'd be next? Perhaps some of the folks like yourself really like his music, y'know? Perhaps if you really, really, liked a DJ's sound, you'd target parties where you knew that DJ would be. Imagine that... 58-) S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 22:24:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA16014; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:24:11 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA16005; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:24:07 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tk3IM-000D8kC; Tue, 6 Feb 96 22:23 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:23:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Reply-To: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: my illogical teleology ;) To: ecto cc: "Hugh O'Connor" , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, ecto wrote: > At 1:57 PM 2/5/96, Hugh O'Connor wrote: > >The idea of a design, a telos, of > >the universe goes back to before the writing of Genesis. Teleological > >thought has been present in almost all major Western worldviews, including > >Judeo-Christianity, Hegelianism, and Marxism. The problem with faith in > >historically linear progress is its failure to explain the Holocaust, > >Stalin, Pol Pot, African famine and all other mass miseries of the > >twentieth century. Consciousness, the quality of life, whatever, is not > >getting better for the majority of human beings; it's getting worse. > What's your epistemological basis for this? Similarly, what's one's > epistemological basis for saying things are getting better? One's own > subjective perceptions, which are based upon a huge amount of factors. So, > i try to say "things are getting more complex" which, imho, is the closest > one can get to any sort of objective 'truth'. I suppose if one were able to > inhabit 6 billion different subjectivities, and have some sort of > 'better/worse' scale in which to measure their life experiences, and still > believed in linear 'progress/regress'one might be able to say things are > getting worse or better. > > > All teleologies have a subject; for Marx it was > >the industrial proletariat, for Judaism it's the Jewish people. What > >is the subject of Sean's teleology? The residents of the seventh > >level of consciousness? Separation of human into "enlightened" and > >"unenlightened" categories can get dangerous. I for one don't want a > >Brave New World. > > Don't quote me on this, and i'm not speaking for Sean here but i > would say that my own personal teleology is not found in "enlightened > people" nor in "god" nor in "myself" nor in "the urban proletariat" nor in > "god" or "God". I see things as having a 'grand design', one so intricate > that it seems chaotic but chaos (IMHO) is only the lack of ability to > discern pattern based on one's viewing of scale/perspective. "God" or "god" > in my mind, is not 'out there', it's a small fragment of a whole that we > are part of. We're merely a small equation in the 'god fractal' which _is_ > part of a grand design. I think sean's point is that he (and i, and others) > are trying to become more and more aware (awareness being somewhat > synonymous with 'conscious') of our own position within the unfolding of > the 'god fractal'. For me, this is something that appears to unfold over > time, but this is only said because we view time in a linear way. A fractal > exists in an infinite dimension, all points simultaneously. Our progression > through it with our own subjectivities gives us the impression that 'time > is passing' or 'the universe is unfolding' but it's been here all along, is > now and will be in the 'future'. I guess the point would be to bootstrap > one's self to higher states of perspective to take in larger synthesized > visons of the world, and that process (for me at least) means ridding > myself of desires to see things one way or another, to clean my doors of > perception to see things 'as they are.' I'm not having much luck lately but > it certainly feels right to me :) > peace, > brad > > ps-->i'm not even going to touch the whole: accepting everything/wanting to > change things paradox. I'm TOTALLY lost on this one. Similarly, if you rid > yourself of desire and expectation in your perceptions, how do you push > yourself into the future, ie: without any sort of goal, or preconception? *IMHO,* clearing the doors of percepton from wasting energy on notions of what "should" be happening, one posseses more energy to clearly see ones intuition, which in turn leads that one toward action. this action, the actulizing of our potential and intuitive drive is what brings about the change, because it is my natural tendency to flow toward love, and i (in all my imperfections) will strive for love. but i wont waste my time with stressing over what "should" be when the 'god fractal' just is, and im a part of it. dancing, spreading love, being myself, spinning a rockin' set:) -evolution- tom ps. this works for me, if anyone has a view or idea that works for them, cool too! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 22:31:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA16661; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:31:27 -0800 Received: from newvax.sonoma.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA16646; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:31:23 -0800 Received: from XYP2_PORT12.sonoma.edu by SONOMA.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #8366) id <01I0WQT8BKY8HXKUF8@SONOMA.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 06 Feb 1996 22:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 22:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by SONOMA.EDU From: Jonas Hanning Subject: Questions!!! X-Sender: hanning@sonoma.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I0WQT8ULR6HXKUF8@SONOMA.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, it's your favorite newbie again. I just have a few technical questions. 1. What's the difference between the SL1200 and the SL1210? I know that the 1210 is black and the 1200 gray, but apart from that? 2. Anyone know where I can find the Vestax PDT-5000? .............................................................. ........:::::Jonas Hanning:::::.....:::::dabalhed:::::........ ...........:::::DJ Eskimo .. Plastiga Band Inc:::::........... .............................................................. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 6 22:58:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA17931; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:58:46 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA17926; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:58:41 -0800 Received: from 198.53.172.102 by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tk3pt-0005YdC; Tue, 6 Feb 96 22:58 PST Message-ID: <3117DDBE.65B5@islandnet.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 23:01:18 +0000 From: "Will E. Reburn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonas Hanning CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Questions!!! References: <01I0WQT8ULR6HXKUF8@SONOMA.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jonas Hanning wrote: > > Yes, it's your favorite newbie again. I just have a few technical > questions. > > 1. What's the difference between the SL1200 and the SL1210? I know > that the 1210 is black and the 1200 gray, but apart from that? > 2. Anyone know where I can find the Vestax PDT-5000? > The following are the only differences... the 1210 has gold leads 1200 has normal (what is normal? ones) the 1210 has an international 110/220v switch for use in the uk the 1200 does not. no extra torque...or color...or anything. thats it. dj bill.e From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 00:54:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA28130; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:54:10 -0800 Received: from aurora.romoidoy.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA28124; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:54:07 -0800 Received: (from walrus@localhost) by aurora.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Non-Hub-112795) id AAA22041; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:54:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: Willis Wong To: SFRaves Subject: the search for vibe in Las Vegas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey I have a story: So I'm in Las Vegas visiting with some family. I go with my cousins to some cheesey casino club nite which apparently is one of the things to do there on Saturday night. It wasn't a rave and I didn't expect it to be. I expected the worst, actually... but I had to dance or I think my feet would have exploded so I was joe playalong. I report the following sensations: Waiting in line, in a casino, right next to the nickel slots, worried about the "dress code" at Club Rio. Stepping into a huge dance floor packed with hip grinders and drunken hipsters, watching themselves dance on big screens a-la club mtv. BIG HAIR asking the bartender for water, him showing me a crystal geyser bottle, me smiling and slapping down two bucks, and him pouring the water into a small, small, glass. (doh!) asking for chapstick all the time. (hey it's the desert, man) goin' off to some janet jackson song mixing into blondie and making eye contact with a middle aged german lady who was walking by watching me contort and smile and she just lights up and starts seriously boogying and wearing one of those famous "shit eating grins" and then dancing with her for over a half hour and it was just such a welcome place to be in the whole meet marlet. I found the vibe in las vegas. I realize now that this probably makes little sense. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 08:41:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA09520; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:41:25 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA09513; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:41:22 -0800 Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tkCvu-0005VFC; Wed, 7 Feb 96 08:41 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 08:41 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Your LOCAL scene Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi y'all Ive got a question. Here in my hometown there are only two promoters rrreally throwing parties. Every 2 or 3 weeks or so...ok events..I would call them 'dances' if anything. Good sound..ok lights..pretty good vibe. But just one problem. These promoters are hooked on not having ANY local dj's play at these parties. Everytime! The dj's are hired from out of town. All the dj's here are pretty choked but other than throw our own party..what are we to do? The dj's here have the skills to out play many, actualy most of the dj's coming here...but the promoters aren't cluing into what they are doing. In our opinion, they are ruining 'our' scene. The people here are stopping going to these parties because of it...often not missed and replaced by those following the dj's coming from out of town. I dont want to create any sort of a bad vibe...and am friends with the kids throwing these parties...but its getting to the point that things have to be taken control of here, before everything is ruined. The LOCAL scene is going right down the fu*&in tubes. And who's gonna pay for it? a)the dj's with no where to play b)the local partiers with no where to party c)local promoters 'cause no dj's are going to play for them. thanx for your time 8) Somebody out there...let me know what you think...we are getting painfully anxious and frustrated.... thanx for your time 8) ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- for dj's, musicians, artists, web-mistress'/masters and net-surfers come by and say Hi Today! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 09:44:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA16495; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:44:35 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16480; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:44:12 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id JAA02334; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:44:01 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: hanning@SONOMA.EDU Cc: zahed@sfbayguardian.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Questions!!! Date: 07 Feb 1996 08:12:41 GMT Message-Id: <5767167.12989055@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Nothing, and this thing about one being more precise than the other is HYPe............... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 09:49:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA16959; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:49:31 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16952; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:49:26 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id JAA02671; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:49:21 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: SDream@tgrigsby.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re: Doc Martin Date: 07 Feb 1996 08:18:49 GMT Message-Id: <651197.13007219@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't think you understood where I was coming from when I wrote this, no need to get sarcastic...................ok From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 10:06:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18948; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:06:23 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18940; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:06:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:06:17 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: MAD! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Excellent. Big thanks to everyone involved for bringing techno godfather Carl Craig to SF. Nice mix of detroit-techno & house from Mr. Craig, and a great tweaky techno set from Alex beforhand. Unfortunately I missed Joe's set so I can't comment. Extra sound and lighting for the occassion a big plus. It was cool to see such a huge turnout on a monday night. MAD seems to have generated quite a dedicated following and has definitely evolved into one of SF's best weeklies. Keep it up! Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 10:25:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21023; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:25:00 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21005; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:24:45 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA12042; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:24:40 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602071824.KAA12042@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: Your LOCAL scene To: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:24:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "solo" at Feb 7, 96 08:41:00 am URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM solo: > >Hi y'all > Ive got a question. Here in my hometown there are only two promoters >rrreally throwing parties. [...] > In our opinion, they are ruining 'our' scene. If it really is 'our' scene, take control and do something about it. What are these local dj's doing? Sitting around bitching about not getting hired sounds like a waste of time to me. Throw a party. Tell your friends to throw parties. House parties. Barbeques. Saturday in the park. whatever. Just do it. -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 10:46:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23140; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:46:47 -0800 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23127; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:46:40 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) id KAA09321; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:45:48 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:45:49 -0800 To: Andy Thomas , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Subject: Re: MAD! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I agree wholeheartedly with Andy's post. It's terribly unfortunate that some ASSHOLE felt the need, cathartic or otherwise, to tag the men's bathroom in big green magic marker. Personally I feel there was nothing magical about it, and I'm rather glad the perpetrator wasn't seen, or caught, for risking the loss of such a nice weekly would have caused swift and emotional ejection I'm sure. There's a time and place for almost everything, it's just unfortunate that people's egos, timid as they may be, override their judgement. It's more than just 2-cents, it's fucking common sense and a little bit of curtesy thrown in. The actions of the individual are reflections on the whole. Tony At 10:06 AM 2/7/96, Andy Thomas wrote: >Excellent. Big thanks to everyone involved for bringing techno godfather >Carl Craig to SF. Nice mix of detroit-techno & house from Mr. Craig, and a >great tweaky techno set from Alex beforhand. Unfortunately I missed Joe's >set so I can't comment. Extra sound and lighting for the occassion a big >plus. It was cool to see such a huge turnout on a monday night. MAD seems >to have generated quite a dedicated following and has definitely evolved >into one of SF's best weeklies. Keep it up! > >Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 11:03:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24398; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:03:04 -0800 Received: from webe.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24387; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:03:00 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by webe.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA16108; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:02:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:02:10 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602071902.LAA16108@webe.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: good vibrations !!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The good of the many outways the good of the few If you don't have something good to say don't say anything at all don't throw stones when you live in a glass house take a negative and turn it into a positive something good comes out of something bad These are all terms (or call them cliche's) that I have heard over the years, that come to mind when I read some of the tripe that some of US are posting, Even now I find myself guilty of being negative in trying to convey to you that WE as a community must ALL try to attain a higher ground. I have had my own self demise within "the scene" as we all like to call it, as many of you know. The opinion's that I have had of people, Dj's, promoters, clubs, music, drugs, etc.....basically any thing related to our life styles (clubbing or raving etc...) got me in such a bad place as a person that I had to drop out for several years to try to find myself. I don't claim to have found myself of become any less addicted to the lifestyle, but I do try to be more aware of what I say and do now, because it can offend or tred on someone elses dreams or aspirations. I try to take the same attitude as I have when I make a Dj tape, that is that I won't ever allow a tape to leave my house that doesn't have the top quality that I would expect of myself. That tape represents me and my style, mood, creativity, etc...at that time in my life.........my anal-ness about the quality level only helps to insure that who-ever listens to that tape (even years down the road) will be able to have a good impression of moonpup (as far as his ability to mix a Dj tape) of course if you dont like the style of music, you don't like the style of music and thats o.k. too. Thank goodness we all have different tastes, or this would be a boring world. But the point is If I post a lot of positive uplifting informational exchange etc.....rather than a bunch of critisism of others within my own community, am I not taking the steps to HELP make our community a better place (as we all preach that the raving lifestyle is) I cannot change any one else or their choices to rise higher or dig deeper, I can only help myself to become a better person, only then can I feel like I am a positive force within my own community. I paid a huge price....loss of status, loss of $$$, loss of self dignity, etc....It was only after I realized that everytime a negative event happened to me (hassles with promoters, $$$ hassles, Dj ego's, etc...) I was the common denominator, only then did I realize I needed to move on and sort ME out.........Not have every one else change their tune to suit me. I may still have a negative attitude towards certain issues, promoters, and other aspects of our community, but I try to keep that to myself now, or if I'm not enjoying a night out at a club or rave, I can always leave !!!!! No-one has to endure a shitty atmosphere, and If you don't go to shit events they can no longer survive. I hope that none of us are helping to support the lower elements that exist in our community, I personally feel that as far as the ongoing debate about the old days verses the current days.......I remember shitty events in the old days and I know that shit events can still occur today......and I remember great events from the old days and I have gone to some killer parties lately.........It will never change The reasons why we all go out and dance etc....are all different, just as the drugs we all like are different, we all like different music, have different sexual desires, etc.... .......so ultimately you will never find the perfect world........If you do more power to you............but if you don't ask yourself......... What are you doing to improve the situation ?? Take a look at yourself an ask yourself.....Are you the best you can be ?? I know from reading some of the postings here lately we have some really powerful people within our community, When I read Leslie Ayers postings, I am inspired. This woman knows how to turn someone elses negativity and turn it to a positive. YOU GO GIRL. People like me who are still trying to find the right balances and attitudes in life, lok to people like Leslie for guidence.......Thank you I am sorry to have to post a message with a message.......but I was just a little dissapointed in some of the negative energy I am seeing posted.....please forgive me I am a new member of SFR and by no means do I claim to have the answers, I just would like to think that we all aspire to be positive, and free of all the negativity that we have in the real world........This is a positive place for me to hang out.......and I want it to be for ALL of US !! peace and remember ITS ALL GOOD !!!! moonpup 415-337-6666 moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 11:17:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25505; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:17:10 -0800 Received: from webe.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25499; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:17:05 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by webe.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19087; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:17:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:17:03 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602071917.LAA19087@webe.hooked.net> To: solo@IslandNet.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: re-your LOCAL scene Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My advice to you is to start your own parties. go grass roots level start with small after hours or a small weekly in a dive that needs the help and will allow you to do whatever. Have small parties outdoors 20, 30, 100 people, small (it was never about the size, but the vibe.) create your own vibe and the other promoters will do what they will (if they are truly your friends, they will want to join of at least attend and support you events). But if they are about the wrong things ($$$, status, etc...) they will not support you, and thats probably just as well....... good luck and I wish you well . if things go good, before you know it you will be yourself wanting to hire outside Dj's to play......its a funny way that the world works Where are you from? (I am suspecting Maui). I went to a small party at the old schoolhouse in Paia (jan 95) It was fun......well keep us informed of your progress.... moonpup 415-337-6666 moonpup@mailhost.hooked.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 11:25:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26127; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:25:47 -0800 Received: from finland.it.earthlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26116; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:25:39 -0800 Received: from default (pool026.Max1.San-Francisco.CA.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.98.26]) by finland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA16502; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:25:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3118FBB0.71A1@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 11:21:20 -0800 From: "John O'Brien" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willis Wong CC: SFRaves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: the search for vibe in Las Vegas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Looking for some fun in Las Vagas, try these numbers.... Rhythm and Harmony Collective 702.224.0653 Getta-Gotta-Groove Line (DJ Grover) 702.225.0414 Desert Underground Network 702.223.8053 -- Me: John O'Brien Email: cti@earthlink.net @: Clockwork Tortoise Inc. Voice: 415-399-1429 Where: 211 Sutter Street, Suite 401 Fax: 415-399-0158 Why: San Francisco, CA 94108 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 11:36:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27103; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:36:35 -0800 Received: from parcplace.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27091; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:36:26 -0800 Received: from [192.159.3.151] (2heads.parcplace.com [192.159.3.151]) by parcplace.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00944 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:33:36 -0800 X-Sender: snomura@central Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:40:48 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) Subject: Re: good government Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ This will be my last post concerning this matter ] >This is a reply to Sean Nomura's thought on life, the universe, and >everything. First, I'd like to state that everything I believe about life and the universe has come from the collective works of others - Jesus, Leo Buscaglia, John Bradshaw, Dan Millman, Ken Keyes, Robert Ringer, Andrew Carnegie, Dale Carnegie, Napoleon Hill, Anthony Robbins, Buddha, Lao Tsu, and Confuscious to name a few. > His belief that "Whatever happens is supposed to happen..." >Just who or what decides what is "supposed to happen"? There is no >mention of God in Sean's essay, and who but an infinite God could >possibly decide the outcome of everything that has happened, is >happening, and has happened. Okay, so that's it? NOTHING but an INFINITE GOD could POSSIBLY decide the outcome of everything that has happened, is happening, and has happened? This is a classic example that man is arrogant enough, and possesses audacity to believe that he grasps the absolute truth of the makeup, structure, and meaning behind the design of the universe - even within the confines of his feeble language, his feeble reasoning ability with his extremely limited perception. I find this almost comical. Who's to say what 'it' is that really 'runs' this universe, if, in fact, that really is what is happening? Must 'something' be 'running' 'anything'? Can we, in our own limited language really slap a label on 'it'? Particularly, if something is beyond our perception, and our comprehension, then how could we even begin to define what 'it' is? >From my understanding dogs can only see in black and white. And could you imagine a caterpillar with the aptitude to count to ten, or a sea anenome that can comprehend what 'hearing' is? As I observe that they are unaware of their limited capacities for perception and intellect, and at the same time being in absolute awe of the genius, complexity, beauty, and harmony behind the universe's marvelous and intricate structure, I can only imagine how limited and fallible the perception and intellect of man must be. So, in reference to your question above, all I can say is, that for me, I've spent literally hundreds of hours trying to figure out what 'God' is for me. Thus far, I have not been able to come up with a definite answer. All I can say for sure is that I do indeed believe in a 'creative force,' as feeble as that defninition and terminology may be... but it's all I have to work with. 'Higher Force?' 'Higher Power?'... For 'sure' it's a 'Higher "Something"'. > There's nothing unusual in the rejection of >an absurd universe in Western thought. The idea of a design, a telos, of >the universe goes back to before the writing of Genesis. Teleological >thought has been present in almost all major Western worldviews, including >Judeo-Christianity, Hegelianism, and Marxism. The problem with faith in >historically linear progress is its failure to explain the Holocaust, >Stalin, Pol Pot, African famine and all other mass miseries of the >twentieth century. Consciousness, the quality of life, whatever, is not >getting better for the majority of human beings; it's getting worse. [ I believe that Ecto and Timothy have already commented on this. :) ] >Further on, he states that "[a]ccording to theory, there are seven states >of consciousness..." What theory? This is a good and fair question. If you're REALLY interested there are EXCELLENT books I can recommend, the first is "Sacred Journey of the Peaceful Warrior" by Dan Millman, and the second (much more in depth) is "Handbook to Higher Consciousness" by Ken Keyes, Jr. (This is an excellent book... cutting edge stuff!) > In the lower three states of >consciousness, "...the picture(ideal) inside of your head does not match >what is actually going on around you." What is actually going on? My >view of the environment would be incoherent without particular biases, a >particular language to express those biases without, and a particular >perspective. It would? If I observe that a ball of lead and a ball of plastic fall at the same rate in a vacuum there is NO bias as to which ball may or may not hit the ground first. Being coherent of the environment and having biases do not go hand in hand. Bias certainly does give rise to subjection, personal perspective and opinion, but is practically an antonym for the coherence of an objective environmental observation. > And if "[a]nytime someone >preaches their disdain...toward society, or races or cultures, the police >dept., etc., they are...carrying themselves into lower levels of >consciousness...", then how are we to act upon anything at all? My >grandfather was a cop, but I will protest police brutality, and still >love the memory of my grandfather. I am also opposed to infanticide and >female genital mutilation, but that doesn't mean I disrespect the >cultures in which they are a problem. My own culture is, from my personal >perspective, riddled with problems, but I still am proud of many aspects of >Western civilization. To answer this, I offer the following analogy: Let's say that this man (we'll call him John) is a really 'uppy' kinda guy. He (like most of us) worries about his job, his home, his security, and due to stress, the muscles in his neck and shoulders become tight and knotted. Due to the knots and tightening, he begins to have headaches and stomach ulcers. So now what is John most likely to do? Take an aspirin for his headache and an antacid for his ulcer. If they're persistent he'll probably visit the doctor for a STRONG presecription. Yeah. John's not going to let those ulcers and headaches get the better of him! And then let's say that these uclers and headaches persist for 2 or 3 years. John is highly likely to say "I'd be happy if it wasn't for these stupid headaches and ulcers!" The doctor may even have told him that they're due to stress. But what does John do? He keeps taking the medication. But you have to understand, this isn't John's fault. He's probably been 'trained' to handle these situations this way since he was born. Can you see the problem here? John is pointing the finger at the headaches and ulcers. What's more, he's using his time and energy doing blame and battle with them. He is doing nothing but treating symptoms. But what is the real culprit? John WORRIES. It's all John's choice, of his own state of mind. Should John decide to stop treating symptoms and go after the problem at the source, he is not only on his way to a more peaceful state of mind, but a healthier body. People (presently) are so quick to point the finger at society, the politicians, the companies dumping toxic waste into the rivers, the oil companies, the lust-for-money-and-power capitalists. These entities are not the problem with society. As Lee Fogel has addressed earlier, they are symptoms of the problems with the overall human condition. And because most people were trained to blame and battle these entities since birth, that is what they believe is the solution to solving the problems of society. If you're dissatisfied with society, then go after the problem at the source. Make people aware that they have a choice over their own states of mind. Have them utilize thier energy upon improving themselves (instead of attacking others). As one who preaches this philosophy, you do the same. As everyone begins to do their part to spread a philosphy of a peacful states of mind and higher consciousness, the overall standard in the states of the human condition begin to rise, and, slowly but surely, the symptoms that plague society by the lower states begin to fade. (This may sound a bit optomistic, but I believe that this is happening even now in mankind's societal evolution, or at least the seeds are being planted.) All teleologies have a subject; for Marx it was >the industrial proletariat, for Judaism it's the Jewish people. What >is the subject of Sean's teleology? The residents of the seventh >level of consciousness? Separation of human into "enlightened" and >"unenlightened" categories can get dangerous. I for one don't want a >Brave New World. Ecto and Timothy have already commented (very eloquently) on this as well. I would like to add something. It is lower states of consciousness, greed, power, fear that gives rise to separation between peoples and their environment. It employs a "I-them" and "me against the world" type of philosophy. Higher states of consciousness gives rise to feelings of CONNECTION between other people and with the environment. I, for one, do not opt for a world of separation, but one of unity, and a connectedness with nature. This is not meant to be taken sarcastically, but better a 'Brave New World' than a 'Fearful Old Scrapheap'. Thank you for your insights Hugh O'Connor. You ask very intelligent questions. Peace. Sean From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 11:51:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28193; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:51:13 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA28149; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:51:05 -0800 Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tkFtT-0005X6C; Wed, 7 Feb 96 11:51 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 11:51 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Our LOCAL Scene Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>Hi y'all >> Ive got a question. Here in my hometown there are only two promoters >>rrreally throwing parties. >[...] >> In our opinion, they are ruining 'our' scene. >If it really is 'our' scene, take control and do something about it. >What are these local dj's doing? Sitting around bitching about not >getting hired sounds like a waste of time to me. > >Throw a party. Tell your friends to throw parties. House parties. >Barbeques. Saturday in the park. whatever. Just do it. Bitching? whos bitching? Thanx...to you and all who say (sorry for the usage) "just do it" Its in the works.... The scene is sooooooooooooooo green here...virginal could even be used to describe it. Unpolluted..friendly.. Anyway..thanx again :) ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- for dj's, musicians, artists, web-mistress'/masters and net-surfers come by and say Hi Today! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 11:58:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28798; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:58:24 -0800 Received: from viola.rs.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA28790; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:58:16 -0800 Received: from lucentio.rs.com by viola.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05565; Wed, 7 Feb 96 11:59:07 PST Received: by rs.com (Sun-4.1) id AA05565; Wed, 7 Feb 96 11:59:07 PST Received: by lucentio.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14866; Wed, 7 Feb 96 11:59:06 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 11:59:06 PST From: george@rs.com (George Feil) Message-Id: <9602071959.AA14866@lucentio.rs.com> To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.com Subject: laminates, Vision, etc. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, with all the wild and wonderful things going on in my life, I'm finally taking time out to rave again this weekend at Vision. In fact, my friend is rounding up an large representative body of The Community Experience to show up at this one, so we can make a massive contribution to the vibe. I'm excited at the opportunity to seek out the faces associated with the e-mail addresses on this list. I've heard about the laminates, and downloaded the GIFS from hyperreal, but, alas, I have no access to a color printer! Is anyone out there in the process of making laminates? At the very least, is anyone willing to do a color printout of the images for me, so I can "roll my own"? P&L, George From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 12:06:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29426; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:06:47 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29412; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:06:39 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA01996 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:06:27 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA10488; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:06:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:06:27 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: thank you Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i just want to thank everyone for sharing their thoughts on higher consciousness and positive thinking because i'm having one of those days where it was especially uplifting to find in my mail box (overloaded at the office and my furnace broke down yesterday)...i mean i've read ken keyes and dan millman but when you're overtired it's nice to have a loving reminder...i'm proud to be a part of this group. love, bren :) Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti Teleport Internet Services Shakti Internet Consulting Technical Support Staff shakti@teleport.com bb@teleport.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 12:12:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29875; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:12:44 -0800 Received: from elaine14.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29863; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:12:39 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine14.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id MAA24525; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:12:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:12:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: telecom bill? (not really rave) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So does this telecom bill which Clinton promised to sign still contain the heinous communications decency act (a.k.a. asshole moral minority censorship)? I'm not sure what's going on... all I know is that the CDA is a bad thing. thx, jon BEEF-FAT From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 12:18:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00660; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:18:09 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00646; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:18:01 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA08604 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:17:59 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA11622; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:17:59 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:17:58 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: Re: Your LOCAL scene Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:10:44 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: solo Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Your LOCAL scene hi... get together with your local dj's and have a house party with your friends. i'm an old fogey (just kidding) but, i really like the intimacy of a smaller party and knowing the dj's, ect. that's what we're doing up here in portland and i've gotten a really good response from local dj's who really know how to spin and it creates a real community energy that adds to that ever wonderful VIBE. have fun! bren :) On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, solo wrote: > Hi y'all > Ive got a question. Here in my hometown there are only two promoters > rrreally throwing parties. Every 2 or 3 weeks or so...ok events..I would > call them 'dances' if anything. Good sound..ok lights..pretty good vibe. > But just one problem. These promoters are hooked on not having ANY local > dj's play at these parties. Everytime! The dj's are hired from out of > town. All the dj's here are pretty choked but other than throw our own > party..what are we to do? The dj's here have the skills to out play many, > actualy most of the dj's coming here...but the promoters aren't cluing > into what they are doing. > In our opinion, they are ruining 'our' scene. The people here are > stopping going to these parties because of it...often not missed and > replaced by those following the dj's coming from out of town. > I dont want to create any sort of a bad vibe...and am friends with the > kids throwing these parties...but its getting to the point that things > have to be taken control of here, before everything is ruined. > The LOCAL scene is going right down the fu*&in tubes. > And who's gonna pay for it? a)the dj's with no where to play > b)the local partiers with no where to party c)local promoters 'cause no > dj's are going to play for them. > thanx for your time 8) > Somebody out there...let me know what you think...we are getting painfully > anxious and frustrated.... > > thanx for your time 8) > > > > > > ****** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully v2.0 Netscapified ****** > -----> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <----- > for dj's, musicians, artists, web-mistress'/masters and net-surfers > come by and say Hi Today! > Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti Teleport Internet Services Shakti Internet Consulting Technical Support Staff shakti@teleport.com bb@teleport.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 13:35:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA10345; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:35:27 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10336; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:35:24 -0800 Received: from uclink2.berkeley.edu (uclink2.berkeley.edu [128.32.136.72]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA25177 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:35:21 -0800 Received: (from sidewalk@localhost) by uclink2.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA02619; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:32:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:32:02 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy McIntyre Subject: re: MAD! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow, it seems like every week the MAD reviews glow brighter and brighter... Could someone remind me of its location again? I'm going to try and check it out next week for the first time. MAD is a product of Ethan's handiwork, am I right? I think Ethan is the King Midas of the SF scene... see you guys out there, Timothy ______________________ sidewalk@uclink2 UC Berkeley "Frisbetarians believe that when they die their soul gets stuck on the roof." --U2's Bono From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 13:58:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA12665; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:58:06 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA12641; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:57:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199602072157.NAA12641@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: MAD! To: sidewalk@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Timothy McIntyre) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Bryce Ryan" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Timothy McIntyre" at Feb 7, 96 01:32:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 831 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My mailer says that Timothy McIntyre said: > > Wow, it seems like every week the MAD reviews glow brighter and brighter... > Could someone remind me of its location again? I'm going to try and check > it out next week for the first time. MAD is a product of Ethan's handiwork, > am I right? I think Ethan is the King Midas of the SF scene... > see you guys out there, > MAD is at Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market St at Franklin, in San Francisco. Actually, Mad was created by Alex, Joe Rice, and Jon Santos, as well as Ethan. They have all done a great job in establishing a weekly techno event. -- === Bryce Ryan ===== AMBIANCE ========= e-dress: brycer@ultima.org ========= === Internet services, education, and Toaster Net construction :-) ========= === Web Weather report at http://priscilla.ultima.org/stats.html ========= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 14:58:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18243; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:58:15 -0800 Received: from ea.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18233; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:58:09 -0800 Received: from pcsmtp2.ea.com (eahqpo02.ea.com [159.153.94.37]) by ea.com (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id OAA28377; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:57:25 -0800 Received: by pcsmtp2.ea.com with Microsoft Mail id <31192F70@pcsmtp2.ea.com>; Wed, 07 Feb 96 15:02:08 PST From: "Davis, Bryan" To: sfraves-owner , sidewalk Cc: sfraves Subject: RE: MAD! Date: Wed, 07 Feb 96 14:57:00 PST Message-ID: <31192F70@pcsmtp2.ea.com> Encoding: 37 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yep.....MAD is fun.....I almost miss it when it first started....cuz there aint no room to dance anymore ;) Oh well.....it loads of fun anyhow...anyone who hasn't gone should go. Bryan ---------- From: sfraves-owner[SMTP:sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 1996 1:57 PM To: sidewalk Cc: sfraves Subject: Re: MAD! My mailer says that Timothy McIntyre said: > > Wow, it seems like every week the MAD reviews glow brighter and brighter... > Could someone remind me of its location again? I'm going to try and check > it out next week for the first time. MAD is a product of Ethan's handiwork, > am I right? I think Ethan is the King Midas of the SF scene... > see you guys out there, > MAD is at Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market St at Franklin, in San Francisco. Actually, Mad was created by Alex, Joe Rice, and Jon Santos, as well as Ethan. They have all done a great job in establishing a weekly techno event. -- === Bryce Ryan ===== AMBIANCE ========= e-dress: brycer@ultima.org ========= === Internet services, education, and Toaster Net construction :-) ========= === Web Weather report at http://priscilla.ultima.org/stats.html ========= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 14:58:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18261; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:58:20 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18232; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:58:08 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.30] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:58:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:58:10 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Re: MAD! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Timothy McIntyre said: >> am I right? I think Ethan is the King Midas of the SF scene... >> see you guys out there, Oh stop, you're making me blush =) Actually, MAD was first conceived by Alex Windsor of Gaia Mantra fame; the rest of just glommed ourselves on as fast as we could =) It is definitely a group effort though and wouldn't be nearly what it is without the musical and other contributions of all its members (Joe, Jon, Alex and myself) not to mention the wonderful music and energy our guest DJs and friends bring every week. Special props to Gateway for lighting and lasers monday night and to Rob the Audio Angel for the biggest bass in town =) And of course to Carl Craig for techno in the first place, and for dragging his butt out here in the second. Nice one. Thanks again for the support, we really appreciate it! -----> Dave Clarke in April =) take it easy ethan -----------------------------( ethan miller )----------------------------- -------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------- ------( the good of the many always outweighs the good of the few )------- ----( -spock )---- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 15:40:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22376; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:40:52 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22363; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:40:45 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA21976; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:40:39 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA25771; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:38:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: telecom bill? (not really rave) To: Jonathan Mark Logan cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, it does. But, I read that if it is signed it will probably be held up in court for years because of 1st Amendment violations. --kc On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Jonathan Mark Logan wrote: > > So does this telecom bill which Clinton promised to sign still contain > the heinous communications decency act (a.k.a. asshole moral minority > censorship)? > I'm not sure what's going on... all I know is that the CDA is a bad thing. > > thx, > > jon > BEEF-FAT > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 16:05:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA24469; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:05:28 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA24462; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:05:25 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA14339 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:05:22 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01487; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:05:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:05:21 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: NON_RAVE: programmer wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the following opinions are solely mine and are not in representation of Teleport Internet Services... since i love you guys so much i thought i'd pass this opportunity onto those here who may be qualified for this project. our company, teleport internet services, is looking for someone to program a setup wizard for our win95 download. microsoft has offered to give us rights to MSIE which has a setup wizard in return for us only supporting MSIE (and we have to plug them on our web page...yuk!) no more netscape. my dept voted a unanimous NO! netscape wants to charge us a whole lot of money to use their version with the shiva dialler...we're still negotiating. what we want is to have our OWN wizard so we can continue to support our users no matter what browser, mail program, or news program they choose and we could probably do it ourselves but it would be a long project and we can't afford to lose any people to a long project since we have almost 18,000 users and adding about 300 a week (including RuPaul he he he). if you're interested, please email me personally for more details. brenda Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti Teleport Internet Services Shakti Internet Consulting Technical Support Staff shakti@teleport.com bb@teleport.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 16:33:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26794; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:33:13 -0800 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26787; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:33:08 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id QAA28079; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:32:22 -0800 Received: from ifs2.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00945; Wed, 7 Feb 96 16:32:29 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 16:32:29 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9602080032.AA00945@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: ethan@bass-station.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: MAD! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Like uh, could some of you MAD ones post a play list now and again? Thanks most muchly! jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... LISTEN until you UNDERSTAND! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 17:01:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA28731; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:01:20 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA28724; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:01:16 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15549(9)>; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:00:31 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <18413>; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:00:26 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA823741888; Wed, 07 Feb 96 17:09:52 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:09:52 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9601078237.AA823741888@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Looking for a couple of ravers... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can someone forward me the e-mail addresses of Mike Clay, and Gregory Sandler, and heck, while we're at it, the Harmony info line? Some spirited Santa Cruz folks wanna get in touch with them. Thanks! Diane From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 17:58:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA02852; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:58:12 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA02844; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:58:04 -0800 Received: from 198.53.172.44 by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tkLcQ-0005iAC; Wed, 7 Feb 96 17:57 PST Message-ID: <3118E8BF.2205@islandnet.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 18:00:31 +0000 From: "Will E. Reburn" Reply-To: solo@islandnet.com Organization: .com communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: North West Raves CC: San Francisco Raves Mailing List Subject: Thank-you all..(was: Our LOCAL Scene) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi again everybody. Thankyou for your support, ideas and kicks in the ass. I love all of you, you're the best. I blew off my orig post with the thought of maybe a handful responding and my in box has been full all day with your brilliant words of encouragement and enlightenment. I never know fully how to explain to people what it is I do when I spend my countless hrs online everyday, but the outpouring of support you all have shown today I will hold onto to show them. Ive already made the contacts I need..the plan is in the works..the vibe will again be alive and I can't wait. Im so hyped I want it to go tonight...but in time...hehehehe Anyway...to all who responded to my dilemma thankyou very much. Consider your self all invited...and I want you here if you can do it. (btw - I live in Victoria, B.C. Canada, for those who didn't know :) HUGS AND KISSES TO YOU ALL dj bill.e From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 18:12:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA04001; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:12:06 -0800 Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA03992; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:12:02 -0800 Received: from by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA17654; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:11:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:11:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199602080211.SAA17654@ix12.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: more info on #sfraves To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all #sfraves on Thursday February 8th at 8 pm: Okay, to all who have asked, & to all who are interested, here is some more info on joining up on #sfraves. Even those of you who know how to do this may want to read this cause there's some specific stuff to do to get on with optimum (hopefully!) irc performance. Ok, to get onto irc from a normal unix prompt, type: "irc nick ircserver" example, for me I would log like this "irc Cerulean irc.winternet.com" Black Adder has suggested we use irc.winternet.com cause it's part of the Undernet & he says it's gonna be faster (thanks for your help pat!). Therefore, less lag time & hopefully this should solve the problem some of us had, remember how you'd go on & talk, & nobody'd respond, or there didnt appear to be anybody else there? So just type like it says up there, with whatever nickname you wanna use in place of "nick"! For those of you intersted but not familiar with irc, a couple of other things (I cant remember if I mentioned it before or not) you can do once you get on are: To see who else is on the channel with you: type "/who #sfraves" To "talk": simply type whatever you want to say and hit enter. What you type will then appear on the computer screens of anybody else on the channel. To see more information on the identity of another person on the channel: type "/whois Cerulean" (for example) To leave the channel, I *think* you type "/leave". Those of you in the know about this one, please correct me if that's wrong. That should be enough to get us started! I do have a favor to ask, if it's okay, I was hoping people would show up reasonably close to the starting time of 8 pm. This is cause I have to show up a few minutes before 8 to "greet" people as they come on, and while I wait for people to show I have to sit there staring at my computer until somebody shows, so that when they do show I'll notice it and say something, & they don't think that nobody's there! No fun sitting there waiting for people to show for an hour! Even if just a couple people show that's cool, so I'll have somebody to talk to! Anyway, I hope to see you guys there, if you have any more questions, please email me. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 18:19:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA04550; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:19:38 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA04541; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:19:34 -0800 Received: from [] by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA23951; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:18:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199602080218.SAA23951@netcom11.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Quaker State Tapioca Rupture" Organization: Chaotic Systems, Inc. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:20:38 -0800 Subject: Re: Serenity Reply-to: quaker@netcom.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > expression, I would just like to say, that ****I***** feel 12 Step Rhetoric > has no place on this list. I have found in my own experience that most of > The Serenity Prayer was around *long* before the 12 Steps came along. I think the Serenity prayer is a great mantra; if you're athiest, then just meditate on serenity, courage, wisdom. Anyone got a problem with that? Persons of spiritual maturity, (and I percieve this group as valuing that) seperate religion - the "Cliff Notes" of enlightenment - from the original messages of adepts. They don't need to throw the baby [Jesus] out with the [holy] bathwater. Peace be with you on your quest, brother. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 19:46:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA12123; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:46:53 -0800 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA12118; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:46:50 -0800 Received: by netcom12.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA06425; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:45:58 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:45:58 -0800 From: mrfrog@netcom.com (d. durrell) Message-Id: <199602080345.TAA06425@netcom12.netcom.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Info line Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here's an Info number that I found at MAD... 415.331.1500 ext.4788 (G R U V) Keep Groovin'!! ciao- mrfrog From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 20:06:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA13360; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:06:52 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA13350; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:06:48 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA22986; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:06:41 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id UAA06606; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:06:40 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:06:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Harmony # To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk here's the harmony # for Diane and everyone else: 408-486-9591 408-450-3044 Peace*Jamie From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 20:12:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA13792; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:12:43 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA13787; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:12:39 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp417.liberty.com [206.17.67.81]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00689 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:12:27 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960208041325.006e90f8@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 20:13:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: Serenity Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Serenity is Eudora Pro with lots o cool filters.......ahhhhhhhhh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 20:14:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA13898; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:14:41 -0800 Received: from ecf2.puc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA13885; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:14:31 -0800 Received: (from amdice@localhost) by ecf2.puc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06191; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:14:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: Man With No Name To: sfravers Subject: Re: MAD! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Andy Thomas wrote:> > Excellent. Big thanks to everyone involved for bringing techno godfather > Carl Craig to SF. Nice mix of detroit-techno & house from Mr. Craig, and a > great tweaky techno set from Alex beforhand. Unfortunately I missed Joe's > set so I can't comment. Extra sound and lighting for the occassion a big Joe played some really good trance and still had the groove going when we left at 3. Austin Tinsau S.F. Born and Raved! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 20:50:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA16387; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:50:35 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA16381; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:50:32 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA21643; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:45:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:45:28 -0800 (PST) To: Shawna McGourty cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: more info on #sfraves In-Reply-To: <199602080211.SAA17654@ix12.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Shawna McGourty wrote: > Black Adder has suggested we use irc.winternet.com cause it's part of > the Undernet & he says it's gonna be faster (thanks for your help > pat!). Therefore, less lag time & hopefully this should solve the > problem some of us had, remember how you'd go on & talk, & nobody'd > respond, or there didnt appear to be anybody else there? So just type > like it says up there, with whatever nickname you wanna use in place of > "nick"! Actually irc.winternet.com is part of "Efnet" or the "Overnet," (just so there is no confusion for those coming through other sites.) You can also use irc.texas.net, which seems to be lightly loaded. > To leave the channel, I *think* you type "/leave". Those of you in the > know about this one, please correct me if that's wrong. Type "/leave #sfraves" (but who would want to) to leave the channel. Type "/quit" to exit IRC, or alternately you can kick your computer. The latter method is not suggested. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 22:29:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA25826; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:29:19 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA25819; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:29:17 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.69] (Cust5.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.69]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA04707; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:29:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199602080629.WAA04707@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:28:57 +1000 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Doc Martin Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>DO you really think, Doc would put out a website??????!!!!!!!!! > >Well, yes. Is that so startling? If party promoters can put up web sites, >why not DJs? And if not a website, then at least an email address. You >know, so folks like yourself could find out where he'd be next? Perhaps >some of the folks like yourself really like his music, y'know? Perhaps if >you really, really, liked a DJ's sound, you'd target parties where you knew >that DJ would be. > If Doc wants me to help him with a WEB site, have him contact me... I can give him some tips... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 22:50:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA27341; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:50:15 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA27336; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:50:12 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA05763 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:50:09 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA03401; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:49:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:49:23 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Soliciting the service of a DJ To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am posting this as a favor to a friend. She's throwing a small house party this Friday (9th). She has one dj who is spinning hard trance and is looking for another to spin who also has speakers and an amp. Right now all they have is stereo speakers and it is a sad state of affairs to ruin good music by using them:( Anyway, if any of you aspiring dj's would like to spin and has the required equipment, email me with your phone number and I will pass it on to her. Try to do this before 5 p.m. tomorrow (Thursday). I don't have any more information except that it is in Berkeley, near the campus, and is a student house. I don't promise roses, but you would get to meet cool people with smiley faces who would appreciate your music!! Thanks a ton, KC From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 23:19:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA00100; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:19:10 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA29995; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:19:08 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.217] (u2w48.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.217]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA29520 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:19:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:19:01 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Subject: Re: more info on #sfraves Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Actually irc.winternet.com is part of "Efnet" or the "Overnet," (just so >there is no confusion for those coming through other sites.) > >You can also use irc.texas.net, which seems to be lightly loaded. well, we have to decide on _one_ so we don't end up with the confusion of last time. Since irc.winternet.com was the first proposed, how about that one? -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 23:22:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA00410; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:22:44 -0800 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA00404; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:22:41 -0800 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA04767; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:22:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:22:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199602080722.XAA04767@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: more info on #sfraves To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >well, we have to decide on _one_ so we don't end up with the confusion of >last time. Since irc.winternet.com was the first proposed, how about that >one? Yes, we'll stick with irc.winternet.com, as previously planned. It seemed to work just fine for me before. If it is STILL a problem, we can figure it out from that point. Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 7 23:50:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA01699; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:50:16 -0800 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01693; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:50:12 -0800 Received: by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA14271; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:49:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael E. Clay" Subject: G. Coates NON-RAVE but cool To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just got my mailing from the George Coates Performance works about his new show which starts next week " Twisted Pairs "..... Annette Diva plays an Amish farm girl who finds a solar powered laptop, leaves the farm and joins a para-media militia. She meets a cast of characters from chat rooms and news groups: alt.support.relationships, alt.romance, alt.couples, alt.divorce, alt.bitterness, alt.sarcasm and alt.beer.... Coates has done some wonderful multi image, high art performance works during his many years in the Bay area and usually features excellent electronic scores of composer Marc Ream. For those who have never experienced him before - expect a zany twisted look at reality or surreality which combines comedy, music, theatre, and many types of projected images... great stuff kind of like theatre on LSD.... Preview shows this week Opening night Feb 14 ($15-$34) all seats are good since the Performance works is smallish on McAllister near Brooks Hall. Performances Fri, Sat, Sun thru March 10 . (Couple of bucks less on Sun ) 415-863.4130 or http://www.georgecoates.org for info... Mike says check him out - most people with an alternative eye view really enjoy his work.... meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 01:57:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA13630; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:57:01 -0800 Received: from hopf.dnai.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA13612; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:56:53 -0800 Received: from [140.174.162.206] (dynamic-206.dnai.com [140.174.162.206]) by hopf.dnai.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id BAA15124; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:56:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199602080956.BAA15124@hopf.dnai.com> X-Sender: jon@dnai.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:59:48 -0800 To: Ethan Miller , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jon@netnoir.com (Jonathan Santos) Subject: Re: MAD! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:58 PM 2/7/96 -0700, Ethan Miller wrote: >Special props to Gateway for lighting and lasers monday night and to Rob >the Audio Angel for the biggest bass in town =) And of course to Carl Craig >for techno in the first place, and for dragging his butt out here in the >second. Nice one. > >Thanks again for the support, we really appreciate it! Don't forget Tanya, Nancy, FIxer and Jake for helping with the door. It was a mess! No thanks to the Green Markered tagger. Dave and I spent 20 Minutes trying to scrub that shit off. -Jon From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 09:17:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA21149; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:17:42 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA21144; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:17:39 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA07565; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:12:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:12:55 -0800 (PST) To: Michal Migurski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: more info on #sfraves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Michal Migurski wrote: > >Actually irc.winternet.com is part of "Efnet" or the "Overnet," (just so > >there is no confusion for those coming through other sites.) > > > >You can also use irc.texas.net, which seems to be lightly loaded. > > > well, we have to decide on _one_ so we don't end up with the confusion of > last time. Since irc.winternet.com was the first proposed, how about that > one? > No, you can use either one interchangebly. They both have access to the same channels. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 11:09:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA00800; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:09:31 -0800 Received: from alink-gw.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA00793; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:09:22 -0800 Received: from A17_255_0_16.apple.com by alink-gw.apple.com with SMTP (921113.SGI.UNSUPPORTED_PROTOTYPE/7-Oct-1993-eef) id AA09903; Thu, 8 Feb 96 11:08:43 -0800 for sfraves@hyperreal.com Received: from gateway.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03414 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:07:07 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 8 Feb 1996 11:02:57 -0800 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Happy Thursday To: "sfraves" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.3 b1 d5 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi Everyone. I just wanted to wish everyone a great day. I was on sfraves a couple of months ago but for the past few months I've been E-mail-less so was unable to log on. Its great to be back and see everone's happy posts. Have a great Friday and a Great Weekend. I'm going Snow Boarding for the first time. Wish me luck! -M From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 11:26:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02258; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:26:27 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02253; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:26:24 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA25272 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:25:52 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA26869; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:22:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Humor (Not Rave Related) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1941094539-823807334:#21952" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. 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Speech, Press and Association (http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html#intro). You'll find information about the bill and its implications, plus a list of sites that could be banned. Worth reading, I think. Peace (and free speech!), Kathryn From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 12:04:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA05316; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:04:09 -0800 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA05304; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:04:01 -0800 From: TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA08280 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 8 Feb 96 12:03:58 -0800 Received: from tevm2.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA07756 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 8 Feb 96 12:03:55 -0800 Message-Id: <9602082003.AA07756@nsc.nsc.com> Received: from TEVM2 by tevm2.nsc.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8931; Thu, 08 Feb 96 12:04:28 PST Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 12:04:27 PST To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, mark-camp*@quickmail.apple.com Subject: Happy Thursday Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FROM: Robert Brown SUBJECT: Happy Thursday Welcome back, Mark. Good luck snowboarding. I went for the first time last Saturday and may, when feeling masochistic, give it another try. Despite the great bodily abuse and the fact that my butt was just a giant bruise I had a pretty good time. For some reason this raving skiing/snowboarding trip with a bunch of ravers headed to the slopes suddenly came to mind... -------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Forwarding note from SMTP --TEVM2 02/08/96 11:02 *** To: SFRAVES --HYPERREAL.COM "SFRAVES" FROM: "Mark Camp*" SUBJECT: Happy Thursday Hi Everyone. I just wanted to wish everyone a great day. I was on sfraves a couple of months ago but for the past few months I've been E-mail-less so was unable to log on. Its great to be back and see everone's happy posts. Have a great Friday and a Great Weekend. I'm going Snow Boarding for the first time. Wish me luck! -M Sender Path: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 12:26:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA06953; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:26:04 -0800 Received: from avalanche.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA06947; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:26:01 -0800 Received: by avalanche.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA29603; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:25:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:25:54 -0800 (PST) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@avalanche.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: MAD! In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Ethan Miller wrote: > -----> Dave Clarke in April =) Which monday? This is a another dream come true ;) dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 12:31:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA07369; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:31:47 -0800 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA07352; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:31:37 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA06686 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:31:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:31:05 -0500 Message-ID: <960208153104_139243276@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Claire, are you Thaire??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK, that was bad, sorry. : | but I'm looking for Claire K. (Gateway Family I think??) She posted a couple weeks ago, haven't heard from her since. Spit me some bits sister! Or call me, 916-443-8225 Thanks all, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 12:32:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA07462; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:32:25 -0800 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA07453; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:32:21 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19743; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:30:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:30:49 -0500 Message-ID: <960208153048_139243209@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, george@rs.com Subject: Galactic Laminates?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm starting to think the laminates were actually a gift from a cosmic traveler. He met some of the sfravers on a galactic raving roadtrip, and made these for them. Thats why no one can ever get one again, not until he returns. If anyone has info on our interstellar rave star who mints these precious little items, drop me a line. I'd really like to have one too! Love & Life, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 12:44:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA10257; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:44:29 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA10249; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:44:23 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA26647 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:44:05 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04326 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:44:00 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA07279 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:43:57 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:47:56 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Vision info # Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, y'all! Can someone please give me the info # for Vision? Anyone from the San Jose area planning on going? Maybe we could all hook up and caravan with my friends, collectively known as "The Crew." Thanx! - E From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 13:02:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA12128; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:02:01 -0800 Received: from void.agames.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12112; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:01:48 -0800 Received: from [192.245.82.146] (murphy.agames.com [192.245.82.146]) by void.agames.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA09815; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:03:43 -0800 X-Sender: radams@mail.agames.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:03:22 -0700 To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) From: radams@agames.com (Rob Adams) Subject: Re: Vision info # Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hey, y'all! > >Can someone please give me the info # for Vision? Anyone from the San Jose >area planning on going? Maybe we could all hook up and caravan with my >friends, collectively known as "The Crew." For you and anyone who wants it, The Vision # is: 415.905.9629 I'm from SJ as well, and am going with my ultra girl and 2 friends. We're taking 2 cars but three's company you know! I know this party is going to be one of the best of the season, and I can't wait!!! 8] _______________________________________________ Rob Adams, Animator Time Warner Interactive wk: radams@agames.com hm: radams@brainstorm.net wk: (408)434-3700 http://www.netchina.com/~radams/dgweb/ "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 13:28:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA13985; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:28:17 -0800 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA13976; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:28:12 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA22796; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:27:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:27:15 -0800 (PST) From: "d. durrell" Subject: NON-RAVE, Re:#sfraves To: blkadder@value.net cc: Michal Migurski , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk first of all, how does one diferentiate between OverNet, UnderNet (dalNet) and EFNet. I assume they are all different network systems. Also, Mr. Adder, if everyone goes on the same server, the likelihood of all of us experiencing a net-split would be reduced. I propose we go to irc.sdsc.edu, for in-state irc fun. mrfrog On Thu, 8 Feb 1996 blkadder@value.net wrote: > On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Michal Migurski wrote: > > > >Actually irc.winternet.com is part of "Efnet" or the "Overnet," (just so > > >there is no confusion for those coming through other sites.) > > > > > >You can also use irc.texas.net, which seems to be lightly loaded. > > > > > > well, we have to decide on _one_ so we don't end up with the confusion of > > last time. Since irc.winternet.com was the first proposed, how about that > > one? > > > > No, you can use either one interchangebly. They both have access to the > same channels. > > Black Adder > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 13:49:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA15446; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:49:28 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA15432; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:49:14 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.30] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:49:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:49:04 -0700 To: From: Ethan Miller Subject: Re: MAD! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:25 PM 2/8/96, 'Dave Bayer' wrote: >> -----> Dave Clarke in April =) > > Which monday? This is a another dream come true ;) Not exactly sure yet. Not to worry, you'll know =) take it easy ethan -----------------------------( ethan miller )----------------------------- -------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------- ------( the good of the many always outweighs the good of the few )------- ----( -spock )---- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 13:55:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA15976; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:55:49 -0800 Received: from avalanche.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA15960; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:55:44 -0800 Received: by avalanche.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA01147; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:55:37 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@avalanche.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Questions!!! In-Reply-To: <3117DDBE.65B5@islandnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am probably about to start a big uproar about this, which is not really my intention... My knowledge comes merely from experience and the FAQ On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Will E. Reburn wrote: > The following are the only differences... > the 1210 has gold leads 1200 has normal (what is normal? ones) > the 1210 has an international 110/220v switch for use in the uk > the 1200 does not. The 1200 and 1210 both have standard alloy/steel/aliumium leads, the 1200MKIII has the gold leads. Many of the 1200s have the voltage switch, this comes from the tables having supposed to be shipped to another countr (the model or serial number will tell you which). I have a pair that was suppose to end up in Austria if I remember the code correctly - SL1200MKII-xxxxxxxxx-au or maybe it was austrilia, the FAQ says). > no extra torque...or color... The color is actually the only thing different between the two - the 1200 is silver the 1210 is black. Someone once posted a way to make your 1200 into a 1210 cuz the 1210s were more aesticly pleasing to him in the dark... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 14:11:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17325; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:11:52 -0800 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17318; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:11:46 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA12156; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:11:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:11:00 -0500 Message-ID: <960208171100_417894152@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, mark-camp*@quickmail.apple.com Subject: Snow playing/boarding cabin trip! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hmmm, I think you've got something there! Last year I organized a snowboarding/cabin trip, some boarded some just chilled and spun records/hot tub'd at the cabin. It went quite well! I propose we do this again, on a slightly larger scale(15-25 happy peoples). I've got a connection on cabin rentals at tahoe, no discount, but good cabins. It ends up being really affordable, like as low as $20/person/wknd. Does anyone know anyone with a cabin up there? This sounds like an excellent opportunity for extra-ravicular bonding activity! Email me direct if you're interested. And remember, It's not just for snowboarders, there will be fun to be had by all boys & girls! I can bring decks & spekkers, but need amp & xfader. (BTW: It's a hanus myth that all snowboarders are beavis type punks w/attitudes) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 14:13:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17542; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:13:52 -0800 Received: from mail2 by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17537; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:13:49 -0800 Received: from [198.97.35.113] by mail2 (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA24911; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:12:48 -0800 X-Sender: ambient@netcom23.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:14:44 -0800 To: From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: MAD! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:49 PM 2/8/96, Ethan Miller wrote: >At 12:25 PM 2/8/96, 'Dave Bayer' wrote: > >>> -----> Dave Clarke in April =) >> >> Which monday? This is a another dream come true ;) > > >Not exactly sure yet. Not to worry, you'll know =) > Looking like 4/22. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 14:32:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA19222; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:32:12 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19217; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:32:06 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id OAA06584; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:40:42 -0800 Message-ID: <311A77F9.183D@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 14:23:53 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: ameba@netcom.com Subject: pac bowl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk from 9-2:00 this thurs nite bowl play pool and rave for $6 galen,alex graham on the alley tim and co (e.t.i.) in the bar -- salutations, allen@ameba _____________________________________ ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 mailto:ameba@netcom.com http://www.ameba.com | \ 415.750.9368 | \ ===================================== | / | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 14:33:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA19288; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:33:07 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19271; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:32:59 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id OAA05059; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:32:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:32:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199602082232.OAA05059@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SteveOSac@aol.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: Snow playing/boarding cabin trip! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm into it. I just bought a new snowboard yesterday. I'm totally into it. I can bring my new mixer(which has hardly had any use cuz two days after I got it one of my tables broke). It's a Numark PPD 2060. Works really nice. I can bring my cd player, cd's, and records and spin ambient to chill everyone out after a hard day snowboarding. Let me know what I gotta do. All we need now is an amp...and if I can get my friend Eric to go he would probably be willing to bring his amp and we'd be set. Let me know. Rick >Hmmm, I think you've got something there! Who's got something where? Where's the original post? Who was it from? >Last year I organized a snowboarding/cabin trip, some boarded some just >chilled and spun records/hot tub'd at the cabin. It went quite well! I >propose we do this again, on a slightly larger scale(15-25 happy peoples). > I've got a connection on cabin rentals at tahoe, no discount, but good >cabins. It ends up being really affordable, like as low as $20/person/wknd. >Does anyone know anyone with a cabin up there? This sounds like an excellent >opportunity for extra-ravicular bonding activity! Email me direct if you're >interested. And remember, It's not just for snowboarders, there will be fun >to be had by all boys & girls! I can bring decks & spekkers, but need amp & >xfader. (BTW: It's a hanus myth that all snowboarders are beavis type punks >w/attitudes) > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 14:49:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA21051; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:49:25 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21043; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:49:20 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA03332; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:44:35 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) To: "d. durrell" cc: Michal Migurski , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: NON-RAVE, Re:#sfraves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, d. durrell wrote: > > first of all, how does one diferentiate between OverNet, UnderNet > (dalNet) and EFNet. I assume they are all different network systems. > Also, Mr. Adder, if everyone goes on the same server, the likelihood of > all of us experiencing a net-split would be reduced. I propose we go to > irc.sdsc.edu, for in-state irc fun. Overnet and EfNet are the same thing. Undernet is different. Generally the greeting message will tell you which network you are connected to. I would definitely suggest that *no one* use irc.sdsc.edu. It is normally over-loaded as it is very popular and the last couple of times I have tried to connect it has denied access due to the over-loading. The two IRC addresses I have given are very lightly loaded and should offer excellent performance. I have chosen these as the default addresses for the system I administer, so I have had some chance to monitor them. Thus the chances of net-splits are low. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 15:01:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22168; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:01:07 -0800 Received: from alink-gw.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA22147; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:00:57 -0800 Received: from A17_255_0_16.apple.com by alink-gw.apple.com with SMTP (921113.SGI.UNSUPPORTED_PROTOTYPE/7-Oct-1993-eef) id AA29703; Thu, 8 Feb 96 15:00:12 -0800 for sfraves@hyperreal.com Received: from gateway.apple.com (in-out.eqm.apple.com [17.130.8.39]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA15317; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:58:48 -0800 Message-Id: Date: 8 Feb 1996 14:58:18 -0800 From: "Mark Camp*" Subject: Re: Snow playing/boarding ca To: mark-camp*@quickmail.apple.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, SteveOSac@aol.com, TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.3 b1 d5 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk RE>Snow playing/boarding cabin trip! 2/8/96 Ya, I'd be totally into this. My pop has a cabin in Sanora. but I dont think he'd be too happy about 25 Ravers invading his house for the weekend and its kinda far from Tahoe. I've got an amp I can contribute and can even play some live ambient stuff. Lets start thinking of some dates for this. I can do it anytime except the weekend of Feb 17th. -M -------------------------------------- Date: 2/8/96 2:13 PM To: Mark Camp* From: SteveOSac@aol.com Hmmm, I think you've got something there! Last year I organized a snowboarding/cabin trip, some boarded some just chilled and spun records/hot tub'd at the cabin. It went quite well! I propose we do this again, on a slightly larger scale(15-25 happy peoples). I've got a connection on cabin rentals at tahoe, no discount, but good cabins. It ends up being really affordable, like as low as $20/person/wknd. Does anyone know anyone with a cabin up there? This sounds like an excellent opportunity for extra-ravicular bonding activity! Email me direct if you're interested. And remember, It's not just for snowboarders, there will be fun to be had by all boys & girls! I can bring decks & spekkers, but need amp & xfader. (BTW: It's a hanus myth that all snowboarders are beavis type punks w/attitudes) ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by quickmail.apple.com with SMTP;8 Feb 1996 14:13:11 -0800 Received: from taz.hyperreal.com ([204.62.129.130]) by federal-excess.apple.com (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA12670; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:11:47 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17357; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:12:00 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17325; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:11:52 -0800 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17318; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:11:46 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA12156; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:11:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:11:00 -0500 Message-ID: <960208171100_417894152@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, mark-camp*@quickmail.apple.com Subject: Snow playing/boarding cabin trip! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 15:35:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA24581; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:35:39 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA24565; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:35:35 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA23629 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:35:30 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA16184; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:33:01 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:32:59 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Humor (Not Rave Related) (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm sorry to everyone who couldn't read this. I don't know unix well at all. Therefore, I don't know how to get my attachment to show up in my message NOT as an attachment. I tried to figure it out all day, but it obviously didn't work. The joke was the "Why did the Chicken cross the road." Then it goes on to give replies that famous ppl and celebs might give. I'm sure it's been seen before, but it is pretty funny. Sorry to take up bandwith with my silly babble!! --KC ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 13:13:19 -0800 (PST) From:SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com To: kirstenc@uclink.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: Humor (Not Rave Related) hey! howzabout one in uuencoded format for us unix peeples! Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 15:39:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA24870; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:39:52 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA24858; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:39:47 -0800 Received: from sfasc246.slip.net (sfasc246.slip.net [206.14.14.246]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA13360 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:39:28 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:39:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199602082339.PAA13360@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Frequency 8) Subject: PACKA-BOWL *TONIGHT*!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a FRIENDLY Reminder to.... PACKA-BOWL TONIGHT!!! Park Bowl 1855 Haight @ Stanyan >>18+ Admittance>><<21+ Ambient Bar>> Pool,Bowl,Get Down...$6. 8:30pm-2:00am From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 15:49:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25621; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:49:33 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25605; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:49:23 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA05487; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:48:28 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199602082348.PAA05487@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: pac bowl (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:48:24 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1316 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk regarding: > > from 9-2:00 this thurs nite > bowl play pool and rave for $6 > galen,alex graham on the alley > tim and co (e.t.i.) in the bar > -- > salutations, allen@ameba I went to this last Thursday and had a great time. They turn all the automatic scoring monitors into video displays with party videos, they have a large screen video too, they dim the lights a bit more than usual with the pins still well lit so the environment is more comfy than bowling alleys usually are. Everything is included! $6 pays for shoes, bowling, and pool tables. You can bowl as much as you want, or until your arm falls off (as mine almost did). The DJ is right behind you as you bowl, and the sound is good in front of the speakers. Last week DJs I say were Adam, Tracy, Mars, and Mark of Ameba (?) in the ambient bar. All these guys made me happy to hear'em. It's amazing how nice it is to dance on a wood floor with bowling shoes on! There's plenty of room too. It's really just a great place to hang out, even if you won't bowl. The idea of it all just kept me giggling with joy all night. I think lasers would match the linearity of a bowling alley in magical ways, and when I get all the little mirrors glued on to my bowling ball ... :) Bowling isn't just for punkers any more! -Darrel darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 15:50:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25755; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:50:59 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA25736; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:50:52 -0800 Received: from 198.53.172.69 by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tkg6s-0005YaC; Thu, 8 Feb 96 15:50 PST Message-ID: <311A1C34.AFD@islandnet.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 15:52:20 +0000 From: "Will E. Reburn" Reply-To: solo@islandnet.com Organization: .com communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: San Francisco Raves Mailing List Subject: Re: Questions!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 'Dave Bayer' wrote: > The 1200 and 1210 both have standard alloy/steel/aliumium leads, > the 1200MKIII has the gold leads. Many of the 1200s have the voltage > switch, this comes from the tables having supposed to be shipped to > another countr (the model or serial number will tell you which). I have a > pair that was suppose to end up in Austria if I remember the code > correctly - SL1200MKII-xxxxxxxxx-au or maybe it was austrilia, the FAQ > says). Thats the only reason why you have the switch. They weren't made for the US, they are supposed to be overseas. > > no extra torque...or color... > > The color is actually the only thing different between the two - > the 1200 is silver the 1210 is black. Someone once posted a way to make > your 1200 into a 1210 cuz the 1210s were more aesticly pleasing to him in > the dark... > > dave No its not...come see my black 1200's and Ill prove it. Just because its not available in the US, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. (Im not saying you are saying that....lots of people do tho :) You can order 1200's in BLACK or SILVER in Canada. Same price. Same TT. ** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully Netscapified ** --> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <-- (8 dj's/musicians/web-masters & mistress'/h@c/ From: scary@ix.netcom.com (Gary Burns ) Subject: Re: MAD! Cc: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Re: Dave Clarke in April =) O Fun. An insanely good DJ. ...Gary From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 17:44:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA04198; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:44:23 -0800 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA04192; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:44:20 -0800 Received: from unknown (crl8.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA10842 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:41:00 -0800 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Isolation tanks? (non-rave) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 01:44:38 GMT Message-Id: <311aa6f5.775430345@mail.crl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Any one know of a good place to take a dip in an isolation tank? David --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 18:14:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05935; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:14:10 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05930; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:14:02 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA23804; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:09:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:09:02 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Lee Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Bad Apples & Bad Laws (was law & order) In-Reply-To: <9602051629.AA04054@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Lee shared: > Grigsbeast: > > > > Who are all these "other" people that we're so scared of? And how come > > > > none of us is one? > > Me: > > > Well, I'm one. For starters, If I knew that law-and-order wasn't > > > being enforced, I wouldn't be stopping at all the red lights. > > Starchild: > > Lee's willingness > > to rely on his own judgement strikes me as evidence of his ability to > > function as an adult and take responsibility for his actions. > > Thanks for the vote of confidence. I can assure you that if I make a > mistake and kill you & your family with my car, I will take full > responsibility for my error. > > >I would > > only ask that he extend the same trust and respect to the rest of us. > > I don't think so. I trust myself because I know me. I also know that > there *are* lousy drivers with poor judgement on the road, and I'm > not willing to place my life in their hands. Strange as it may be, > traffic laws make me feel freer. It's rather pleasant to be > able to come to an intersection and pretty much know what everyone > is going to do. This frees my mind to spend it's energy on stuff that's > more important to me, like bopping to that DJ set blaring out of my > car stereo. Yes it's true, when life is safe and predictable we have less to worry about, and in a sense this makes our minds "free". A good example is someone who is in prison. They don't have to worry about job security, because they have no job. They don't have the stress of relationships, because most often they have none. They don't have to worry about roomates, school, family, or even safety on the road, because they won't be driving. Some writers and other people have had growth experiences from time spent in prison. But when it comes down to it, most of us don't want to be there, despite the relative security. > > What's the "rave angle" in this post? Simply that all the hassle > > we get for dancing without permits, putting restricted substances into > > our own bodies, etc., is based on the same principle as the traffic laws > > -- that we're just too fucking dumb and reckless to take care of ourselves. > > But many of us *are* dumb and reckless. Even ravers. We point fingers > at the institutions that pollute and destroy the environment while > blowing smoke at each other in clubs and leaving garbage around at free > outdoor parties. Like Grigsbeat pointed out, the government is made up > of people like us. And conversely, we're really not much different > from the poeple who govern us. I don't believe that our problems reside > with the "system", but with human nature itself. Some feel that given > enough latitude, humans will somehow do the right thing. First of all, > I don't think people will ever agree on what the "right" thing is > (e.g. diversity). The other thing is that even if we did, it would get > boring and people would start doing "wrong" things just for the hell > of it. We ravers are not perfect, as Lee is right to point out, and there is much room for improvement. But when Grigsbeast said that government is made up of humans, not aliens from Betelguese, I interpreted his remarks to mean that people in government, like people everywhere, will make mistakes -- NOT that people in government are just like people who go to raves. People who go to raves are usually interested in having fun. Fun is not high on the priority list of most people in government. If it were, they would be less interested in law and order, and more willing to let people do their own thing. I have to disagree, Lee. Many of our problems *do* lie within the system, because the values that we practice as ravers (aside from the littering and such, which seems to me to be much less evident at outdoor raves than at other outdoor events) are in conflict with the puritanical, consumer/control-driven values promoted by our government. > Nevertheless, I'm quite optimistic about human evolution. As people > continue to gain more access to information they will learn to understand > and tolerate each other and even cooperate with those whe seem different. > And as technology continues to improve we will continue to find solutions > to many of the problems we keep creating along the way. As people's > standard of living improves, there will be more time and energy for > our spiritual and intellectual evolution. I see raving as one > example of our positive evolution. We have a long way to go and it > has very little to do with the system of governemnt we are under. It > has everything to do with the evolution taking place within each of > us as we try to understand our place and purpose in this mysterious > and wonderful Universe. > > Lee If the human evolution Lee (and I) look forward to is based on access to information, technological improvement, and better standard of living, then the government we have today is clearly counter-evolutionary. Our government is trying to restrict information (as in the censorship of the Internet), while it frustrates technological improvement by taxing and regulating entrepeneurs, and reduces our standard of living by spending and borrowing at the expense of the younger generation. Because government is such a drain on the economy, we live in a society that is increasingly work-centered as people have to work longer and harder to maintain the same standard of living while government grows ever-larger. Americans are working longer and longer hours, yet have less spending power than 30 years ago. A work-centered welfare society does not value activities such as raves, and will not be inclined to respect the rights of those participating in such activities, because we will be seen as living at the expense of society rather than rolling up our sleeves for the "common good." This mindset explains comments like the one I heard at the San Francisco City Hall hearings on the ban on dancing after 2 a.m. for those under 18: "Dancing all night has no socially redeeming value," I recall one supporter of the ban saying. :( I do share Lee's view that the real path to evolution lies inside each of us. However our environment plays a big part in shaping our attitudes. Just as it may be difficult for "tough" kids from a "bad neighborhood" to adopt the peaceful way of the raver, so I feel it is more difficult for all of us to become loving, non-controlling, happy individuals when we live in an environment where the law takes people's earnings without their consent, restricts freedom, and devalues fun. This is the equivalent of living in a cultural ghetto. I am not sure that real evolution of conciousness is possible on a mass scale in such an atmosphere. As Bill Clinton put it, the era of big government is over. Now we must have the courage to change. Peace, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 19:04:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA10663; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:04:58 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA10658; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:04:54 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id BAA06682; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:00:56 -0200 Received: from du-41.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-41.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.41]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id BAA17840; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:00:51 -0200 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:00:51 -0200 Message-Id: <199602090300.BAA17840@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 04:20 PM 2/4/96 -0800, SDream wrote: >>however angry i get at the hatred in the world, i must agree with paul when >>he states: >>>However, IMHO, calling people names, or casting >>>aspersions on their geneology or genetic makeup will not bring them around >>>to a more enlightened point of view. >>>One can pity the >>>ignorance that causes irrational hatred without denying the humanity of >>>those who spout such nonsense. >You are absolutely correct that these views are born of a persistent >ignorance that is handed down generation to generation. I've seen small >children being taught to recite the most incredibly hateful things; galling, >spiteful, ignorant things. Their minds are starting out from their earliest >days twisted by an evil they can't possibly understand at that point. There >was a special a while back on ShowTime about racism, and part of it dealt >with how it's handed down to the children, how they're raised believing the >most horrible things, taught to them by their parents. Although I definitely can not agree with rascism, hatred, xenophoby and bias against other human beings, I can not condemn whoever does it and wants to put it on the WWW. Everyone has the right to express their ideas, even when we think it is wrong. If Aryan Nation wants to have a site in which they want to express their opinions, I can be offended but, hey.. they have a right to do so, as much as i have the right to publicly condemn them for that. It's just freedom and democrracy. That thing should even apply to this "GLAAD" thing. If I don't like gays and lesbians, why can't I dislike them??? If they can have WWW sites, propaganda, if they can do everything to promote their cause, why someone who hates them can't?? I hope you got my point. We can condemn other people, but we shall keep in mind that they have a right to have their opinions and express them in public. I publicly condemn this GLAAD thing, if they are willing to ban whoever hates them from the access to a public place such as the Internet. Take it from me, I can't even support rascism or sexism. I lived in the US for many years and I have been a victim of xenophoby and rascism at raves in the U.S., so I am pretty much aware of this subject. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 19:57:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA14851; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:57:06 -0800 Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA14844; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:57:03 -0800 Received: from by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA21435; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:56:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:56:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199602090356.TAA21435@ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Try something else to get onto #sfraves! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I just tried to get onto the IRC using irc.winternet.com & it booted me of cause "I can't deal with all the problems!" (the message it gave me.) So, if this happens to you guys, try the previous suggestion of irc.direct.ca instead, that worked for me the last time I did it. Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 20:02:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA16128; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:02:32 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA16119; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:02:27 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA07202; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:02:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: David Ginsberg cc: casy - a gay boy from San Francisco , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: sex & food for thought (NON-RAVE) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > My neurobiology profesor Walter Freeman has done soem really interesting > research on meaning and intentionality, and one of his conclusions is that > BRAINS NEED SEX! The release of oxytocin during lovemaking, and especially > during orgasm, aids in the breaking down of the 'intentional structure' in > the brain (the structure in which meaning is embodied.) Really interesting > stuff. Without sex, we tend to become rigid & less able to cope with > change, not to mention more fearful. Maybe that's what happened to > Gingrich! > > peacelovejoy, > > David If David is correct, this could also explain Bill Clinton. Back in the days of (Gennifer) flowers before he was elected, Bill probably got plenty of sex. He used to love the idea of change, and talked about it all the time, remember? Then once he got elected, something changed -- he did. Perhaps he was so busy and stressed out being Prez that he had no time for Hillary or anybody else. That would really be a shame. If you read between the lines though, Newt Gingrich may be trying to do something about this. Remember him complaining that he couldn't sit up at the front of the plane with Bill on that trip to Israel? Newt's sister is gay, and sometimes where you find one same-sex oriented sibling you will find others. Maybe the real reason Newt quit going to those closed-doors budget negotiating sessions is that Bill wouldn't put out. OK, maybe that's not the reason, but more sex couldn't hurt. For free love & free markets, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 21:55:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA22799; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:55:28 -0800 Received: from yvr.cyberstore.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA22790; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:55:24 -0800 Received: from lancet.cyberstore.ca (ylw-ppp-13.cyberstore.ca [204.244.6.13]) by yvr.cyberstore.ca (8.7.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08419 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:54:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.32.19960209055323.0067f0f4@cyberstore.ca> X-Sender: ylwm0232@cyberstore.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 21:53:23 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Harvey Susser Subject: #sfraves ...to B or not to B. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk One & all: At least more than one person showed up this time. Shawna. I missed you again...heard you were there but disappeared , never to return. Did talk with Bodok & Lodok ( Sunnyvale ) & JstPeachy ( Krista from Napa). It was nice talkin to them but I sure was expecting more ppl to be there. It must b a ragin' night in the city! We should keep trying this, I'll b there if ya name the night. HUGGZZ Jen Sus ~ Increase Your Serenity ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 22:01:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA23283; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:01:55 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA23271; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:01:51 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id WAA24070; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:01:47 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id WAA18539; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:01:46 -0800 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:01:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: stolen goods @ Area 51- HELP!!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My Brothers and Sistas... Unfortunately I have been too trusting too long. I brought a very expensive camera to the party, which I left unattended under a seat, under a jacket, in the stadium. A few hours later when I went to check it, it was gone. Stolen goods include: Minolta 400si camera, green umbrella, drivers license, school id (UCSC), lip balm,etc.... all neatly enclosed in a black "tam tek" camera bag, which had a yellow happy face pin on the front. I am just now posting this because the shock has finally diminished... booo hoo... Well, besides the hassle of getting new id's, I was taking pictures for a photography class which I happen to take very seriously. Now in quite a jam for finishing the class requirements. If anyone has any information regarding my belongings, please get in touch with me. If nothing more, I would at least like my Id's back, and the film. Fuck the camera, it's only a material thing. (not as if it would not be graciously accepted, should someone want to return it...) So... the other issue at hand is crime in our scene. We should be able to trust each other. Is this not one of our most basic values? If we cannot trust in the love we share with each other, it makes our efforts seem quite superficial. I am sadly in need of some reassurance and would appreciate your thoughts on this, and your help if possible in the search for my stolen goods. I suppose that about sums it up. Peace and Love, anyhow. Jamie spunk@cats.ucsc.edu (408)471-5020 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 23:11:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA27446; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:11:42 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA27434; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:11:38 -0800 From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199602090711.XAA27434@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:11:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 17447 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Vision and XNTRK deserve a look this weekend. Last week Tony Humphries brought Wicked into the house, and Carl Craig got a big crowd at MAD movin and groovin. The SFRaves home page and calendar pages have been turned black as part of the Telecom Bill protest. For more info, follow the links at the hyperreal home page, http://www.hyperreal.com/. THE SFR CALENDAR http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrcal.html _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Thursday, February 8th - _Seismic_ Acid Casualty, DRC, Henrik, Jon Williams, Radley, Marius, David Michael. $5. 415.552.2458 Friday, February 9th - Nomad Interactive presents XNTRK Jeno, Markie, Donald Glaude, Simon, Mathew, BioJeff. 415-675-5605, 415-541-5646, 408-236-3398, 916-484-4213 Friday, February 9th - Space Children presents _Heads_ with Graeme, Cesar, Das, Abstract, Surge, and Radley. $5. (415)273-1622, (916) 554-7177, (408)327-9277. Friday, February 9th - _Abduction_ DJ Trance (LA), Zee-que (Chicago), DJ Gabe, Ton:E, Jam-n-j. 8pm-4am, $8 before 10pm, $10 after. 1017 Santa Cruz @ Lone Oak Hall in Modesto. 209.491.1308 209.569.8561 Saturday, February 10th - Vision: The sudden insight into the nature of things... Tony, Josh, Ethan, Spun, Markie, Trent, and Detroit's Blake Baxter. 415.905.9629 415.522.3994 Saturday, February 10th - _Rebirth_ with DJ's Mitch, Chach, Danny plus guests in Madera. 209.661.6576 Wednesday, February 14th - Dolphin & Friends 1-year anniversary Valentine's Celebration DJs Taj, Frank Nitty, Erika, Gouracandra. Live Keyboard mixing by Sen-Sei. $10/$7 w/can for SF AIDS Foundation. 10pm-6am. 415.303.5336 Wednesday, February 14th - _Strategically Pleased_..._bringing you The Goods_ DJ Dan, Jim Hopkins, Jon Allan Jr, Tasho. $8, starts at 10pm. 415.273.1913 Friday, February 16th - _Brought to you By The People_ The return of the Supreme Love Gods live in concert with The Chunk (featuring former members of Psychefunkapus). Plus special guest dj's: Spun, Graeme, Tracy. 111 Minna St. 415.437.4462 Friday, February 16th - _Harmony_ DJs Graeme, Trent, Greg, Jon Carel, Simon, Harry Who?, Brandon, Tony, BioJeff, Rob, Doran, Terry Mullan (Chicago). Ambient/ Dub: Galen, Minor Minor, Shoam, Claire. $10 for presale tickets. Availible @ Frequency-8 (San Francisco) & Solid Grooves (San Jose) (408) 486-9591 Call for more information (408) 450-3044 Friday, Februarty 16th - _Planet Fantasy_ DJs Donald Glaude, Tracy, Frank Nitty, Carlos, Billy, Gyn. 1.800.RAVE.081 Saturday, February 17th - _Organic _Third Year Anniversary tony, dj dan, graeme, terence toy (la) and dj sneak (chicago). 415.266.8215 415.266.9215 Saturday, February 17th - _Teknotika_ drc, jon santos, dial8, dj abstract & special surprise guest from the Detroit underground. 415.267.4890 Sunday, February 18th - _Spundae_ Three Year Anniversary Spundae Starship: DJ EFX, Jeno, Taylor (LA), Jam & Spoon (Germany). Deep Zone: Pete Avila, Aaron O, Mark Lewis (LA). Mother Earth: DJ Dan, Tony, Carlos, Jon Williams, Simon, Henrik Garden of Eden: Miquel, Thomas, Felix. 21+, 9pm-10pm, 1015 Folsom St. 415.974.9389 Tuesday, February 20th - _new moon party_ Friday, February 23rd....One Nation Underground and West Coast of Mind presents _Second Chakra_ Djs Quest(Seattle), Spun, Tony, Travis, Garth and Tracy. 9pm-5am - $12 before 10pm, $15 after, 18+. Partial proceeds to Greenpeace. 510.895.3550 415.337.4928 408.749.6724 916.535.7652 Saturday, February 24th - GrooveKid Productions presents Techno Temple with djs Carlos (from Universe/UK) - Mach One spinnin on four with Graeme, Tony, Blesed, Miah, Max Factor, Spinner, Ivo; In Temple II, Alice Turner, Sausee, Dreamer and Pat Allen on four, Carlos, Binnie, Foster, Matty. In SF. L.S.D. visuals. 415-605-1915 408-488-1350 510-980-8861 Saturday, February 24th - Raindance Productions presents _Satori_ Harry Who, Markie, Jeno, Garth, Tracy, Tom, Jay Hartley, Mei-Lwun. 415.337.4142 510.895.7558 408.425.3316 Thursday, February 29th - _LEEEP_ Carlos, Dutch, BLeSeD, & guests. details to follow... Friday, March 1st - _Space Children: _Prometheus Unbound__ Guest DJs include techno-gods _Stacey Pullen and Derrick May_ from Detroit, as well as Gary O from Texas! (more information available later...) (415)273-1622, (916) 554-7177, (408) 327-9277. Friday, March 1st - _Frequency-8 _- Cyber-Trance Revelation DJs MARS, Myster-E, Ethan, Solar. Ambient room provided by Xogenix/Spirit Only 300 tickets available for this event. Tickets will be available at F-8(the record store), located at 1816 Haight St. $10 Store #(415)221-4142 Event line #(415)541-5019 Friday, March 1st - _Batteries Not Included!_ w/ Tony, Dutch, Rick Preston, Ghost, Pat Allen, Frank Nitty, Dj R K Tech, and Dj Friction (Texas) and Guests. 415-273-1902 510-485-2582 Saturday, March 2nd - _Planet Rock Strikes Back_ DJ Trance, Terry Mullen, Nigel Richards, Hipp-E, Karizma, Jim Hopkins, Graeme, Surge, Das, Abstract, Cesar, Radley. E.B.E. Visuals. 415.267.3916 510.433.7216 Thursday, March 21st - benefit party for 'A' Abbas Rezaei DJ's Jeno, Simon, Spun,Garth, Markie, Tony, Ellen Ferrato, Dubtribe and many more. 10pm-4am. 1015 Folsom. Saturday, March 23rd - Adonis and Giggles presents _Devotion_ DJ Dan, Jeno, Garth, Carlos, Tracy, Utopia and Adonis 415.435.7570 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... T h u r s d a y Lift - David Harness, Aaron O, Jay-J, Black & guests - $5, 21+, 12mid-5:30am, 55 Natoma, SF - 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - 21+, $5. San Jose, call for location. 408.235.1556 uppercut - presented by btpo - djs george, aural b, tom thump, roman, cool chris, ck smart - 1151 Folsom Inferno - Grey, Darrell, Cisco, Dave - Graziano's Restaurant, 134 Pet blvd, Petaluma, CA. 707.762.4404. 21+, $2. Azul - Deep House & Soul w/Alfie & James. Casanova, 527 Valencia. Free! Swing Mode - Abstract Jazzy Grooves w/Mark Farina, Corbin, Everett & special guests. Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin. 10pm-4am. 415.773.8841 The Top - resident house player Preston - 424 Haight. $2, 8pm-2am. Full House - blinding beats and lovely skills w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen & Andrew Rawnsley, guests & live musicians. 21+. Miss Pearl's Jam House, 10pm-2am. $3. [2/8 - cory black (vanilla fudge)] [2/15 - Mark farina] [2/22 - full house boys--finn, andrew rawnsley, matt (xlr8r)] [2/29 - john howard] Packa-Bowl - presented by Frequency-8 and Ameba. DJs Mars, Tracy & guests. Ambient Chill Bar. Park Bowl, 1855 Haight st.@ Stanyan. 8:30pm-2am. 18+, $6. FO MO INFO. *F-8* 415.221.4142, *AMEBA* 415.750.9368 F r i d a y Sound Factory DJs Pete Avila, David Harness & guests. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF - 9:30pm-7am, 21+ 415.543.1300 Mecca - Jeno, Markie, Taj & guests. 1015 Folsom, 21+, $10 - 415.431.1200 Soul'd Out - house w/Julius Papp, Rick Preston on 4 turntables. Red Light District, San Jose. Nocturnal Transmission - DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John & guests. 55 Natoma St. $5 before midnight/$10 after. 11pm-5am. 415.957.1730 Go Fast - Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come too). 10pm-? 8th & Minna. The Top - robbie hardkiss & friends. 424 Haight, 9pm-2am, free! Liquid Fridays - house music w/various DJs. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento 10pm - 2am, 18+, FREE. 916.484.4285 Solid State - DJs Garth and guests playing the best in classic disco, funk, soul and rare groove. Free b4 11, $8 after, 21+. the End Up, 6th & Harrison, SF. S a t u r d a y Other Whirled - DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera & guests. saturday morning, 6am. 201 9th @ Howard. Club Universe - David Harness, Page Hodel, Aaron O & Pete Avila - 177 Townsend, SF - 9:30-7am, 21+, 415.985.5241 Sound Factory - big club sounds - 525 Harrison @ 1st. 9:30pm-4am. 21+ 415.543.1300 Release - Acid Jazz/Funk/70's/Reggae - Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr.Sulu, Randy Wong. 1015 Folsom. 415.337.7457 55 - Djs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez and guests with the Houseworks. Euro, House and late night grooves with Behrouz, Suiki, Danny and guests. 21+, 55 Natoma St. 415.267.1858 Vanilla Fudge - deep house and other fine hippie crap. Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights at 55 belden alley. 10pm-2am. 415.764.2903 (one of several DJ events Cafe Bastille hosts every Saturday) Vertigo - psychodiscotechnofunk w/Nikki Rivera, Ellen Ferrato, Steven Sque & Lewis. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research - live and pre-recorded ambient soundscapes, 7pm-11pm @ RAW Living Foods, 1224 9th @ Lincoln (across from Le Video). 415.789.8308 Liquid Vinyl - afterhours w/Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard & guests. $5 w/pass, $8 w/o. 2am-6am. 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 'Nuff Respect - Jungle Choons w/DJ StarEyes & DJ Thad. free; 5pm-9pm @ Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR Jungle at the Top w/DJs Shobhan, UFO, Noel & guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight St. 415.995.4699 Metro Jazz - Resident DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom Thump & Franky, plus guests. 111 Minna St, $7, 21+, 10pm til terminus. S u n d a y Bulletproof boat party - $25 includes afterparty and buffet, 6-10pm Ferry Building (one Sunday of each month) Tickets and info at Bulletproof 629 Haight (255.7168) Spundae + Teknotika - resident DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel plus weekly guests - 10pm-5:30am, 21+, free b4 10:30, $5 after. 55 Natoma. 415.974.9389 spundae@sirius.com [2/18 - 3-year anniversary] 'sup - DJ Mei-Lwun & Guests @ the Blue Lagoon, 923 Pacific, Santa Cruz 10pm-2am 408.684.3434 $1-$2, 21+. Sunday Love - with DJs Blesed & Darius & weekly guests. $6, 15698 E.14th, San Leandro (across from Bay Fair Mall). 10pm-3am. Leopard Lounge - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina & special guests. 2125 Lombard St @ Fillmore. 415.771.2583 jaba-jaba - 10am-5pm @ 76 Minna St (the Oddball Lounge) - 1.800.458.6916 Pleasuredome - DJs Neil Lewis, Shawn Janes, Phil B and guests. 8pm-6am. 177 Townsend. 415.985.5256 Quench - resident Djs Rick Preston & Ryan Tapia + guests. Ambient-Space explorations by DJ Leath and guests in the front room. At The Usual - 21+, 400 South First St. San Jose. 408.535.0330. M o n d a y Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz w/Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius Papp & guests. $5, 9pm-3am. 330 Ritch St. 415-905-8811 Noc Noc - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJ Mohsen, 557 Haight St. 21+. (every other Monday) MAD - Ethan, Alex, Jon Santos & Joe Rice & guests w/techno, trance & electro. at Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin. 10pm, 18+, $1 before 11, $3 after. [2/12 - Jon Santos, Tony, Ethan] [2/19 - Alex, Astral Matrix, Ethan] T u e s d a y Butterfly - Casanova, 527 Valencia, 21+, $2, 10pm-2am. DJs Charlotte (the Baroness), Dani & guests Groove Room - Upstairs at Old Town, 50 University Ave., Los Gatos DJs Cooley Mark Alonzo 408.395.8600 Breathe Deep - Househeads Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel + weekly guests. 1015 Folsom in the Gold Room. 10pm-4am. 21+, $5; free before 11:30 w/flyer. 415.998.9515 Begin.... - house, trip-hop, & trance. Rotating DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley, Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, and Anna. at The Inn of the Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati. 9pm-2am. All ages w/ microbrews for 21+. 707-524-4443. the Magic Circle - Tony Fader & DJ Sifu droppin' Space Funk. 9pm-1am, Your Mama's Cafe, 5329 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR the Five-O - drum'n'bass club. DJs Jonah Sharp and a man like malcolm with mc's rasta cue tip and green. at philip's french quarter, 9th & Howard. $5, $3 before 11pm, 21+. Mos Eisley Spaceport - cybertrance & techno w/Mars, Solar, John Howard, Mystr-E & guests. 10pm-2am, club Boomerang, 1840 Haight @ Stanyan. 21+, $3. 415.387.2996 Kinetic - dj Phil Salter and guests. 2325 clayton road, concord. 21+. free before 10pm, $5 after. 510-946-5005 Pure Space - DJ Spun & friends. Gregs' Bar, San Jose. 9p-2a. a.d. - mentaltechnomeetsdrumNbass - $3, 18+, 10p-2a. at bahia, 1600 Market. W e d n e s d a y Simply Done - Deep House residents: John Howard, Mark Farina, Loren + guests. $5; free b4 11. 10pm-late, 21+, 538 Howard Come/Unity - Simon, Jeno, Garth - usually first Weds each month - 415.241.8815. Afterparty at 201 Howard. Jive Samba - DJ's Roman & Chris Playing Latin Licks, Rock Steady Hits, and Jazz Picks. Live music with Josh Jones and Guests the Up&Down Club 1151 Folsom Boost - old school uplifting house - DJ Jamie J & Hector the ejector. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. free before midnight w/invite. 415.703.7105 Roots - Garth, Jeno & guests in the basement of 1015 Folsom and The Black Diamond - Felix the Dogge, Thomas + guests - in the lounge. 10-4. 415.512.5713 415.675.5660 cosmic lounge - space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle. DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth + special guests. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th. 10pm-2am. No cover. Reunion - Danny, Naz Cafe & guests. 21+, 9pm-, free. The Fulton Bar, 1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332 Europa - ambient + experimental industrial. DJs from House of Usher & Winter Gone By. $5, 21+, 9pm-3am. 540 Howard St - rear entrance, SF. 415.789.7359 Energi - jungle w/residents DJ Flux and Abstract, plus guests. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market. $3, 21+. _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338 * The Groove Line - (415) 321.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" w/DJ Seth. Ambient, experimental, ethereal, acid-trance-techno, industrial and trip-hop on KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Ambient, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, Acid Jazz and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night midnight - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 47 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@netcom.com * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday morning - "The Uncle Noah TV Show" 6-9am, KDVS 90.3, Davis. * Saturday afternoon - "Bustop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night - "Saturday Night Spin Out" w/Ronnie Libido. Trip hop, Jungle, Ambient, Experimental Sounds. 10pm-2am. KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. 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Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com - 415.506.6195 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 8 23:27:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA28114; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:27:57 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA28109; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:27:54 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.206] (u2w37.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.206]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA21978 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:27:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:27:19 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Subject: attn. KaySEE... uddurz pleeez =?iso-8859-1?Q?i=F1or=21?= Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi KC... I was the one who asked you about that (invite-only) Berkeley party that you needed a dj for.... well, through a bizarre twist of fate I have an invite (I know a guy who knows a girl who lives there and one of the guys who was going to go with them isn't so I am :) so I hope to see you there! me: 6'0" top-of-the-ear-length brown hair with bleached bangs, blue jeans, big green n' white striped polo shirt, dark brown Airwalks... -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 00:39:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA04883; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:39:59 -0800 Received: from elaine43.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA04801; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:39:53 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine43.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id AAA22360; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:39:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:39:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: blacken your web pages! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey kids, This is a bit late, but... better than never. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: axis@leland, web-all@mednet Subject: BANNED!!! Internet Free Speech (fwd) I considered this of sufficient importance to post to this list because of the unique interplay of TECHNOLOGY & SOCIETY which it represents. All varieties of moral, ethical, legal, economic and other issues are bound up in this situation. This is a real STS tar baby if ever there were one. For more information, please point your web browser to Yahoo's home page at http://www.yahoo.com/ before Feb. 10. Surely, information will be available after that date, however, for this issue is far from being resolved for millions of netizens. ---- Feb. 8, 1996 --- Yahoo! has turned its pages black for 48 hours in support of the Coalition to Stop Net Censorship. Today, President Clinton signed legislation that includes a provision which limits freedom of expression on the Internet. With this act, the very same materials which are legally available today in book stores and libraries could be illegal if posted on World Wide Web sites or Usenet newsgroups. The Coalition to Stop Net Censorship is asking everyone, everywhere to turn their World Wide Web pages black until 11 a.m. EST on February 10 to show just how many people will be affected by this legislation. --- ---- Michael Silverton michael@shaolin.Stanford.EDU PGP Public Key available at pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 00:58:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA06881; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:58:22 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA06876; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:58:20 -0800 From: elmo@cats.ucsc.edu Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id AAA13454; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:58:15 -0800 Received: by am.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id AAA18663; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:58:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:58:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199602090858.AAA18663@am.UCSC.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Harmony tickets in Santa Cruz... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everybody. I just wanted to let you know that there are Harmony tickets available in Santa Cruz for those people that are unable to get to San Jose or SF... If you are interested in buying some tickets, please email me and we'll arrange a way to pick them up. I'll be away this weekend, but will be back monday... So please let me know if you're interested.... smiles- matt cantu elmo@cats.ucsc.edu Toy House Crew =) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 01:15:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA07696; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:15:51 -0800 Received: from franklin-fddi.cris.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA07691; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:15:48 -0800 Received: from fs1.cris.com by franklin-fddi.cris.com [1-800-745-CRIS (voice)] Received: from galileo.cris.com by fs1.cris.com (8.7.1) id EAA08251; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:14:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:14:54 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Keenan To: Dirceu Pereira cc: SDream , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (NonRave) GLAAD ALARMED BY HATE WEB SITES ON THE INTERNET In-Reply-To: <199602090300.BAA17840@fama.ibase.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Very good points! Just remember freedoms are very good when used, not exploited just as ones freedom to swing ones fist ends where another person's nose begins...I still wouldn't want to make it too easy for these spewers of hate. If it was me making the rules, I would have all register like sex offenders then their propaganda can be monitored if they cross over the line by proposing illegal activities, their assets can be seized just as they can and do when property is connected to drugs...Once these groups have demonstrated a willingness to brake the law or advise others to break the law then a judge in the jurisdiction of the internet service provider COULD order a warrant or writ of examination, including a record of all e-mails and data transacted, thereby having access to their root. You could then determine who are the principals, lieutenants, soldiers along with the recruits and followers. At this point we need a new surgeon generals warning to the rank and file pointing out that following the path of hate could be dangerous to their health and freedom as well as that of others, and that Johnny Law would be watching. This could legally be done right now, with the possible exception of registration, these are extreme measures but these are extremists. Once their material is identified and documented we would have the ability to do outreach, education and analysis of both their subtle and not so techniques of recruitment. I find everything about these disguting low-lifes distasteful but will defend entirely their right to say it just the same. On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Dirceu Pereira wrote: > At 04:20 PM 2/4/96 -0800, SDream wrote: > > >>however angry i get at the hatred in the world, i must agree with paul when > >>he states: > >>>However, IMHO, calling people names, or casting > >>>aspersions on their geneology or genetic makeup will not bring them around > >>>to a more enlightened point of view. > >>>One can pity the > >>>ignorance that causes irrational hatred without denying the humanity of > >>>those who spout such nonsense. > >You are absolutely correct that these views are born of a persistent > >ignorance that is handed down generation to generation. I've seen small > >children being taught to recite the most incredibly hateful things; galling, > >spiteful, ignorant things. Their minds are starting out from their earliest > >days twisted by an evil they can't possibly understand at that point. There > >was a special a while back on ShowTime about racism, and part of it dealt > >with how it's handed down to the children, how they're raised believing the > >most horrible things, taught to them by their parents. > > Although I definitely can not agree with rascism, hatred, xenophoby and bias against other human beings, I can not condemn whoever does it and wants to put it on the WWW. > > Everyone has the right to express their ideas, even when we think it is wrong. If Aryan Nation wants to have a site in which they want to express their opinions, I can be offended but, hey.. they have a right to do so, as much as i have the right to publicly condemn them for that. It's just freedom and democrracy. > > That thing should even apply to this "GLAAD" thing. If I don't like gays and lesbians, why can't I dislike them??? If they can have WWW sites, propaganda, if they can do everything to promote their cause, why someone who hates them can't?? > > I hope you got my point. We can condemn other people, but we shall keep in mind that they have a right to have their opinions and express them in public. I publicly condemn this GLAAD thing, if they are willing to ban whoever hates them from the access to a public place such as the Internet. > > > Take it from me, I can't even support rascism or sexism. I lived in the US for many years and I have been a victim of xenophoby and rascism at raves in the U.S., so > I am pretty much aware of this subject. > ^^^^^^^^^^^By the way, no one can tell you whom you can like or not, that's the best thing about this country, YOU choose, you change the channel, hit the 'D' Key or You Go Girl! IMHO even bigots, racists, or whatever variation has been put on this fine planet for a purpose...wonder what that could be? ? ? Could it be as the example to show the people how disgusting this human weakness can manifest? I saw Leaving Las Vegas and myself, I enjoy a few beers though I was so grossed-out by the portrayal here it was enough aversion therapy to make me temporarily want to quit, though I chose to see the film, it would be controversial for government to be promoting any kind of aversion though I'm sure a capitalistic angle could be found for our wonderful sector of private enterprise, I wonder if they'd have a market as an ASP (Aversion Service Provider) heh, heh, really I'm kidding just kinda offering a little food for thought to all of us holier than thou, more politicaly correct than the next bloke, liberals. I recognize there's plenty of flame-bait in this post so if I've somehow got you seething I'd love to receive any / all private e-mails on this or? Though of course if I'm due for a more public flogging than spare no smiles, my other cheek is churned . Peace & Love, Daniel Ok! relurk already. . . . . . _______________________________________________________________________________ Daniel Keenan Danzman@backdoor.com | Internet E-Mail: Gitane@cris.com Popular Productions | Voice Mail/Pager no: 415.207.1809 633 Post Street, Ste. #390 |Tour Guide, Events, Mobile-Motorhome, Dan San Francisco, CA 94109 |The Man With The Van, Interests of Asia - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 01:34:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA08389; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:34:23 -0800 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA08384; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:34:20 -0800 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA18458; Fri, 9 Feb 96 01:33:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 01:33:02 -0800 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9602090933.AA18458@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Rave History Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To anyone out there that is interested in exploring or sharing the history of raves in the bay area, I've created a web page for the purpose. I went through the sfrave archives and have started compiling some sets of reviews of significant parties throughout the years. I only have a few up now (the gathering, basics, sunsets, wicked) but will do more soon. There is also a form so that people can submit personal stories of their greatest moments or parties... You can also just mail submissions directly to swoosh@he.net and I'll put them up. Anonymous is fine... most any topic that you find interesting is fine (the history of the music, the lasers, the vibe, the whistle... whatever.) It might be interesting to see what we can can make of it. The address is: http://www.he.net/~swoosh/raves/ thanks, and see you at Vision. -john. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 02:03:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA11039; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:03:23 -0800 Received: from franklin-fddi.cris.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA11034; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:03:20 -0800 Received: from fs1.cris.com by franklin-fddi.cris.com [1-800-745-CRIS (voice)] Received: from galileo.cris.com by fs1.cris.com (8.7.1) id FAA08509; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:01:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:02:07 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Keenan To: Starchild cc: Lee Fogel , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Bad Apples & Bad Laws (was law & order) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Starchild wrote: [much excellent progression snipped] > We ravers are not perfect, as Lee is right to point out, and there is > much room for improvement. But when Grigsbeast said that government is made > up of humans, not aliens from Betelguese, I interpreted his remarks to > mean that people in government, like people everywhere, will make > mistakes -- NOT that people in government are just like people who go to > raves. People who go to raves are usually interested in having fun. Fun > is not high on the priority list of most people in government. If it > were, they would be less interested in law and order, and more willing to > let people do their own thing. I have to disagree, Lee. Many of our > problems *do* lie within the system, because the values that we practice > as ravers (aside from the littering and such, which seems to me to be > much less evident at outdoor raves than at other outdoor events) are in > conflict with the puritanical, consumer/control-driven values promoted by > our government. Hey, how about a new political party, 'Fun' . Could have conventions, nominate canditates, swear allegiance to fun, hold "political" conventions and everyone has fun! :) Yeah! Daniel _______________________________________________________________________________ Daniel Keenan Danzman@backdoor.com | Internet E-Mail: Gitane@cris.com Popular Productions | Voice Mail/Pager no: 415.207.1809 633 Post Street, Ste. #390 |Tour Guide, Events, Mobile-Motorhome, Dan San Francisco, CA 94109 |The Man With The Van, Interests of Asia - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 02:16:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA15002; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:16:06 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA14997; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:16:03 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:15:58 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:15:44 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: (BSP) XNTRK tonite -- Friday, Feb 9th Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Friday, February 9th - Nomad Interactive presents Jeno, Markie, Donald Glaude, Simon, Mathew, BioJeff. 415-675-5605, 415-541-5646, 408-236-3398, 916-484-4213 These parties are getting better and better each time. This is the first XNTRK party of the new year, so come on out! See you there!!! -wayne ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 02:17:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA15045; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:17:21 -0800 Received: from franklin-fddi.cris.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA15040; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 02:17:17 -0800 Received: from fs1.cris.com by franklin-fddi.cris.com [1-800-745-CRIS (voice)] Received: from galileo.cris.com by fs1.cris.com (8.7.1) id FAA08586; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:16:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:17:08 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Keenan To: Mark Camp* cc: mark-camp*@quickmail.apple.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, SteveOSac@aol.com, TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com Subject: Re: Snow playing/boarding ca In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a reminder that I've got a 27' motorhome with 5000 watt generator if can get through the snow...... _______________________________________________________________________________ Daniel Keenan Danzman@backdoor.com | Internet E-Mail: Gitane@cris.com Popular Productions | Voice Mail/Pager no: 415.207.1809 633 Post Street, Ste. #390 |Tour Guide, Events, Mobile-Motorhome, Dan San Francisco, CA 94109 |The Man With The Van, Interests of Asia - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 08:33:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06825; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:33:40 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA06814; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:33:36 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA20804; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:32:32 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA12044; Fri, 9 Feb 96 08:32:31 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12459; Fri, 9 Feb 96 08:32:30 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9602091632.AA12459@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Politics of Fun (was Re: Bad Apples... To: star@sfsu.edu (Starchild) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 8:32:29 PST Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Starchild" at Feb 8, 96 6:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Starchild: > People who go to raves are usually interested in having fun. Fun > is not high on the priority list of most people in government. Sure it is. Everyone likes to have fun! > If it > were, they would be less interested in law and order, Hasn't it occurred to you that implementing law & order is one of the ways that *they* have fun? > Many of our > problems *do* lie within the system, because the values that we practice > as ravers [...] are in > conflict with the puritanical, consumer/control-driven values promoted by > our government. Which is not much different than saying that many of our problems are due to people who like to have fun in conflicting ways. > This mindset explains comments like the one I heard at the San > Francisco City Hall hearings on the ban on dancing after 2 a.m. for those > under 18: "Dancing all night has no socially redeeming value," I recall > one supporter of the ban saying. :( Yes, that is about as bad as someone saying that people in government aren't interested in having fun. > [...] an environment where the law takes people's > earnings without their consent, restricts freedom, and devalues fun. > This is the equivalent of living in a cultural ghetto. I am not > sure that real evolution of conciousness is possible on a mass scale in > such an atmosphere. I'm not sure either. But generally speaking, things tend to evolve toward their most natural state - so wherever we end up most likely will be where we are meant to be, as we, like all things, continue to travel with the currents of change. Lee ___________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 08:40:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA07408; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:40:00 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA07382; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:39:53 -0800 From: Trolup@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA12801 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:39:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: <960209113918_139965433@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Friday Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY FRIDAY TO EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Luv Jen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 09:09:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA09500; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:09:17 -0800 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA09488; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:09:09 -0800 Received: from nunki.usc.edu (tsheets@nunki.usc.edu [128.125.253.160]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id JAA10414 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by nunki.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id JAA22606 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:09:05 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199602091709.JAA22606@nunki.usc.edu> Subject: Take the ravers bowling... take them bowling. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:09:04 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey kids, I am back on sfraves after being off for a whole year while I finished school in Los Angeles. I'm back in the bay area now. The bowling party was pretty fun... We just kind of wandered around doing random things.... throwin' balls, playing videogames, hanging out in the bar (but not for too long, as it was pretty smokey). It was fun watching neat videos on the scoring screens. We were even able to pac-bowl in the alley itself... being sneaky like that makes you feel so young! The sound system was the just the stock bowling alley system, which was not very good. Things that would really make pac-bowl great is a decent sound system being used with the stock system... it would be nice to have something setup in a designated dancing area. No one was really dancing that much... which is too bad becuase the music was good. sfraves run-ins: Bryan C., Wayne. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Living life in the carpool lane. troy sheets http://www-scf.usc.edu/~tsheets tsheets@scf.usc.edu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 09:49:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12576; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:49:03 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA12557; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:48:54 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06373; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:44:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Trolup@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Friday In-Reply-To: <960209113918_139965433@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk YESSSSSS happy happyyyyy Friday;) HUGS- Reagan On Fri, 9 Feb 1996 Trolup@aol.com wrote: > I JUST WANTED TO SAY HAPPY FRIDAY TO EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Luv > Jen > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 11:05:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA18179; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:05:20 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA18162; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:05:14 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA10617 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:16:18 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07290 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:02:06 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id LAA04600 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:02:04 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199602091902.LAA04600@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Re: (NonRave) GLAAD ALARMED etc. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:02:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Keenan" at Feb 9, 96 04:14:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1648 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I changed four words from Daniel's spiel, and look what happened. This is why I do not believe in censorship. Just like any deadly weapon, it can be turned on its owner. [...] "I still wouldn't want to make it too easy for these spewers of filth. If it was me making the rules, I would have all homos register like sex offenders then their propaganda can be monitored if they cross over the line by proposing illegal activities, their assets can be seized just as they can and do when property is connected to drugs..." "Once these groups have demonstrated a willingness to brake the sodomy laws or advise others to break the law then a judge in the jurisdiction of the internet service provider COULD order a warrant or writ of examination, including a record of all e-mails and data transacted, thereby having access to their root. You could then determine who are the principals, lieutenants, soldiers along with the recruits and followers. At this point we need a new surgeon generals warning to the rank and file pointing out that following the path of sodomy could be dangerous to their health and freedom as well as that of others, and that Johnny Law would be watching." "This could legally be done right now, with the possible exception of registration, these are extreme measures but these are extremists. Once their material is identified and documented we would have the ability to do outreach, education and analysis of both their subtle and not so techniques of recruitment. I find everything about these disguting low-lifes distasteful but will defend entirely their right to say it just the same." Just a thought. // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 11:05:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA18185; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:05:21 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA18169; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:05:16 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA07479 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:05:14 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03383; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:03:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:03:38 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Black Lights To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone know how harmful the blacklights one finds at a party are? I've been wondering this for sometime. Some people tell me that the UV that causes stuff to flouresce is very bad for your eyes. But, in my lab, we use black lights and the lower levels aren't supposed to be harmful. Anyone know anything about this? Thanks, KC From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 11:31:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20316; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:31:22 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20299; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:31:13 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id LAA15424; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:31:05 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602091931.LAA15424@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51- HELP!!! To: spunk@cats.ucsc.edu (Jamie Pauline Smith) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:31:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Jamie Pauline Smith" at Feb 8, 96 10:01:45 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jamie Pauline Smith: > > So... the other issue at hand is crime in our scene. We should >be able to trust each other. Is this not one of our most basic values? >If we cannot trust in the love we share with each other, it makes our >efforts seem quite superficial. I am sadly in need of some reassurance >and would appreciate your thoughts on this, and your help if possible in >the search for my stolen goods. > Not to make light of your loss and hurt, but I'll say this again. Not everyone does or should subscribe to anyone else's belief system, especially revolving around music. I really get tired of the forced "spirituality" aspects of the techno & house appreciators here in SF. I don't want to take 15 minutes for a hand-holding circle or a group hug or any rituals. I will make my own meaning and significance of the music. This sort of "group think" about what the "Scene" should or shouldn't be seems to limit individuals freedom to make it whatever *they* want it to be. -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 12:12:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA22973; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:12:32 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA22965; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:12:26 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA12674 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:12:05 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA03083; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:12:04 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA18981; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:11:57 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:15:38 -0800 To: Robert Smith From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51- HELP!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Woa! I can smell another explosive, emotionally-charged discussion a-brewin' on this one...I can just see it: "So, does this mean that it's OK for people to steal, if that's what they want to do?" sort of thing. Of course, it's NOT OK to steal, no matter what the reasons. In a perfect society, there would be no stealing, because there would be no possessions ("Who's perfect society?"...). But, as Chrsitian Slater's character in Heathers said, "The only place that people of different social types can truly get along is in Heaven." Believe it! Let's tread lightly, eh? Peace, - E >BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jamie Pauline Smith: >> >> So... the other issue at hand is crime in our scene. We should >>be able to trust each other. Is this not one of our most basic values? >>If we cannot trust in the love we share with each other, it makes our >>efforts seem quite superficial. I am sadly in need of some reassurance >>and would appreciate your thoughts on this, and your help if possible in >>the search for my stolen goods. >> > > >Not to make light of your loss and hurt, but I'll say this again. >Not everyone does or should subscribe to anyone else's belief >system, especially revolving around music. I really get tired of >the forced "spirituality" aspects of the techno & house appreciators >here in SF. I don't want to take 15 minutes for a hand-holding circle >or a group hug or any rituals. I will make my own meaning and significance >of the music. This sort of "group think" about what the "Scene" should >or shouldn't be seems to limit individuals freedom to make it whatever >*they* want it to be. > > >-- >fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a > person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts > matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 12:33:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA25061; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:33:36 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA25047; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:33:29 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp414.liberty.com [206.17.67.78]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA29378; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:32:55 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960209203352.0067aef8@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 12:33:52 -0800 To: Robert Smith , sfraves@hyperreal.com, Robert Smith From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: (NON-RAVE) A PC-SCSI Deal To Good To Pass.......... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Sorry to take up bandwidth with this; a reseller in Southern California purchased a VERY large quantity of discontinued Fujitsu Model #M2694EQA 1GB, Wide, Fast, Single Ended, 5400RPM, average 8.5ms seek time, maximum data transfer rate of 20mb/sec burst, SCSI-2 Drives, & is selling them at $249.00 non-reseller, & $199.00 reseller. My calculator tells me that's about $0.25/mb, that's a fantastic deal!!!!! I called Fujitsu, and they called the vendor with me via conference call, to verify that this particular vendor is not selling the differential version of this drive like some other vendors here in California are. The differential version will not work with standard SCSI-1 or SCSI-2, without the aid of a the extra cost of a bandwidth eating adapter. The model according to Fujitsu was just discontinued due to SCSI-3 eventually coming available/absolessance. I have technical specifications from Fujitsu via their fax back service telephone #408-438-2620; request document #1305. The hard drive vendor is Bason Hard Drive Warehouse, telephone number #800-238-4453, ask for Barry in sales. Note, I have no affiliation with this company, and I'm just passing on what appears to be a great deal on to you all. Also, I can send this info on to you as well just e-mail me. TO: Robert/fixer please call me regarding the modem at cpu, thanks....... 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 12:49:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28042; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:49:43 -0800 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28036; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:49:37 -0800 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA11804; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:49:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:49:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199602092049.MAA11804@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Re: Snow playing/boarding ca Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Great idea! I would love to go but probably can't make it until mid March. Even than my time is short. Keep me informed and if I can make it I am there!!! love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 13:10:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA29947; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:10:33 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA29928; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:10:26 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA21704; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:09:35 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA17961; Fri, 9 Feb 96 13:09:34 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17638; Fri, 9 Feb 96 13:09:33 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9602092109.AA17638@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51- HELP!!! To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 13:09:32 PST Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Eric P. Peterson" at Feb 9, 96 12:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Woa! I can smell another explosive, emotionally-charged discussion > a-brewin' on this one...I can just see it: "So, does this mean that it's OK > for people to steal, if that's what they want to do?" sort of thing. Of > course, it's NOT OK to steal, no matter what the reasons. Actually, you are wrong. Many of us respect fixer's right to steal from us as long as he respects our right to beat the living shit out of him after we come out of our group hug. (that was a joke) Lee > > I don't want to take 15 minutes for a hand-holding circle > >or a group hug or any rituals. I will make my own meaning and significance > >of the music. This sort of "group think" about what the "Scene" should > >or shouldn't be seems to limit individuals freedom to make it whatever > >*they* want it to be. > > > >-- > >fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 13:20:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA00764; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:20:31 -0800 Received: from horatio.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA00759; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:20:27 -0800 Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by horatio.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id NAA12854 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:20:24 -0800 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9602091320.ZM12852@horatio.ucsf.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:20:23 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jamie Pauline Smith: > > So... the other issue at hand is crime in our scene. We should >be able to trust each other. Is this not one of our most basic values? >If we cannot trust in the love we share with each other, it makes our >efforts seem quite superficial. I am sadly in need of some reassurance >and would appreciate your thoughts on this, and your help if possible in >the search for my stolen goods. > > Not to make light of your loss and hurt, but I'll say this again. > Not everyone does or should subscribe to anyone else's belief > system, especially revolving around music. I really get tired of > the forced "spirituality" aspects of the techno & house appreciators > here in SF. Right on. Let's be realistic, we're not all angels in this scene, in fact I feel that in any scene which involves drugs, there will be people around who are there for a quick profit. With that kind of attitude you won't lose a night sleep over robbing people. On top of that, I know of girls who sold themselves for E. It's not all about spirituality and unity, I guess. Funny isn't it, it's not so different from the rest of the world, one meets assholes and beautiful people. And on another topic, raving in a bowling alley, that must be the weirdest idea I have ever come across in this scene. One wonders what they will come up next with, full moon parties at the golf course with day glo golf balls? Still pining of the green, green grass of home, The Frying Dutchman -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 14:05:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA04194; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:05:28 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04163; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:05:19 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA17446 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:04:56 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA09613 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:04:51 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05673 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:04:44 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:08:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah, I find that it's easier to love some people than to like them. How about this, then: those of us who promote kindness, let's commit ourselves to caring for and looking out for each other. That might help. I also hope more people will take all the joy and fellowship feelings with them when they (we) leave parties and spread it out to the rest of the world. I'm doing my part, and I love it! :-) - E >BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jamie Pauline Smith: >> >> So... the other issue at hand is crime in our scene. We should >>be able to trust each other. Is this not one of our most basic values? >>If we cannot trust in the love we share with each other, it makes our >>efforts seem quite superficial. I am sadly in need of some reassurance >>and would appreciate your thoughts on this, and your help if possible in >>the search for my stolen goods. >> > > >> Not to make light of your loss and hurt, but I'll say this again. >> Not everyone does or should subscribe to anyone else's belief >> system, especially revolving around music. I really get tired of >> the forced "spirituality" aspects of the techno & house appreciators >> here in SF. > >Right on. Let's be realistic, we're not all angels in this scene, in >fact I feel that in any scene which involves drugs, there will be people >around who are there for a quick profit. With that kind of attitude >you won't lose a night sleep over robbing people. On top of that, >I know of girls who sold themselves for E. It's not all about spirituality >and unity, I guess. Funny isn't it, it's not so different from the rest >of the world, one meets assholes and beautiful people. > >And on another topic, raving in a bowling alley, that must be the weirdest >idea I have ever come across in this scene. One wonders what they will >come up next with, full moon parties at the golf course with day glo golf >balls? > >Still pining of the green, green grass of home, > > >The Frying Dutchman > >-- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 14:09:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA04605; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:09:40 -0800 Received: from horatio.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA04593; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:09:34 -0800 Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by horatio.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id OAA13024 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:09:31 -0800 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9602091409.ZM13022@horatio.ucsf.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:09:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) "Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!!" (Feb 9, 2:09pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Feb 9, 2:09pm, Eric P. Peterson wrote: > Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!! > So, where are these girls who sell themselves for E? > Just kidding!!! > > - E Looking for a good time, raver? ;-) TFD > >BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jamie Pauline Smith: > >> > >> So... the other issue at hand is crime in our scene. We should > >>be able to trust each other. Is this not one of our most basic values? > >>If we cannot trust in the love we share with each other, it makes our > >>efforts seem quite superficial. I am sadly in need of some reassurance > >>and would appreciate your thoughts on this, and your help if possible in > >>the search for my stolen goods. > >> > > > > > >> Not to make light of your loss and hurt, but I'll say this again. > >> Not everyone does or should subscribe to anyone else's belief > >> system, especially revolving around music. I really get tired of > >> the forced "spirituality" aspects of the techno & house appreciators > >> here in SF. > > > >Right on. Let's be realistic, we're not all angels in this scene, in > >fact I feel that in any scene which involves drugs, there will be people > >around who are there for a quick profit. With that kind of attitude > >you won't lose a night sleep over robbing people. On top of that, > >I know of girls who sold themselves for E. It's not all about spirituality > >and unity, I guess. Funny isn't it, it's not so different from the rest > >of the world, one meets assholes and beautiful people. > > > >And on another topic, raving in a bowling alley, that must be the weirdest > >idea I have ever come across in this scene. One wonders what they will > >come up next with, full moon parties at the golf course with day glo golf > >balls? > > > >Still pining for the green, green grass of home, > > > > > >The Frying Dutchman > > > >-- > >-- End of excerpt from Eric P. Peterson -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 14:15:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA04993; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:15:16 -0800 Received: from SSD.intel.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04987; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:15:06 -0800 From: hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com Received: from cadev6.intel.com by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20982; Fri, 9 Feb 96 14:13:59 PST Received: from cad614.sc.intel.com by cadev6.intel.com with SMTP id AA18128 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:09:40 -0800 Received: by cad614.sc.intel.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/ICES-RS6000) id AA32089; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:09:25 -0800 Message-Id: <9602092209.AA32089@cad614.sc.intel.com> Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!! To: knegtel@horatio.ucsf.EDU (Ronald Knegtel) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9602091320.ZM12852@horatio.ucsf.edu> from "Ronald Knegtel" at Feb 9, 96 01:20:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1762 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk who died and made you judge of "acceptable" sites to rave at ? if they want to rave on the moon, let them. if you don't want to go, don't. "One wonders" indeed. regards, -harsh > > BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jamie Pauline Smith: > > > > So... the other issue at hand is crime in our scene. We should > >be able to trust each other. Is this not one of our most basic values? > >If we cannot trust in the love we share with each other, it makes our > >efforts seem quite superficial. I am sadly in need of some reassurance > >and would appreciate your thoughts on this, and your help if possible in > >the search for my stolen goods. > > > > > > Not to make light of your loss and hurt, but I'll say this again. > > Not everyone does or should subscribe to anyone else's belief > > system, especially revolving around music. I really get tired of > > the forced "spirituality" aspects of the techno & house appreciators > > here in SF. > > Right on. Let's be realistic, we're not all angels in this scene, in > fact I feel that in any scene which involves drugs, there will be people > around who are there for a quick profit. With that kind of attitude > you won't lose a night sleep over robbing people. On top of that, > I know of girls who sold themselves for E. It's not all about spirituality > and unity, I guess. Funny isn't it, it's not so different from the rest > of the world, one meets assholes and beautiful people. > > And on another topic, raving in a bowling alley, that must be the weirdest > idea I have ever come across in this scene. One wonders what they will > come up next with, full moon parties at the golf course with day glo golf > balls? > > Still pining of the green, green grass of home, > > > The Frying Dutchman > > -- > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 14:15:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA05032; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:15:30 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA04997; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:15:19 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:14:39 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:14:32 -0800 To: Troy Sheets From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: Take the ravers bowling... take them bowling. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 9:09 AM 2/9/96, Troy Sheets wrote: > The sound system was the just the stock bowling alley system, >which was not very good. Things that would really make pac-bowl >great is a decent sound system being used with the stock system... >it would be nice to have something setup in a designated dancing area. >No one was really dancing that much... which is too bad becuase the >music was good. Normally (as in, last week, the first week) there is an additional sound system there. In fact, JK Sound's really nice EAW system was there but there were problems getting it going for some reason last night. -w ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 14:43:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA07124; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:43:02 -0800 Received: from horatio.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA07102; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:42:56 -0800 Received: (from knegtel@localhost) by horatio.ucsf.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/GSC4.24) id OAA13070 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:42:49 -0800 From: "Ronald Knegtel" Message-Id: <9602091442.ZM13068@horatio.ucsf.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:42:48 -0800 In-Reply-To: hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com "Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!!" (Feb 9, 2:09pm) References: <9602092209.AA32089@cad614.sc.intel.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Feb 9, 2:09pm, hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com wrote: > Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!! > who died and made you judge of "acceptable" sites to rave at ? Noone. Is "weird" (see below) that strong a judgement? I was more amazed by the fact that actual bowling is going on during the party (if any, since apparently few people danced). It is quite unusual wouldn't you say? Many people still see raving as something different than going to bars, bowling alleys, playing pool or even clubbing judging from many of the postings here. > if they want to rave on the moon, let them. Sure, in fact, zero gravity would be a great idea. And I never stated one shouldn't do this or that one place is better than another. I just thought the idea was _funny_ (as did the "take the ravers bowling" posting, although that didn't state it that obviously), not bad, immoral or whatever. In fact I did suggest other possible locations like the golf course. > if you don't want to go, don't. Again, I never stated I hated it, I cannot even say that since I wasn't there. Why such an aggressive reaction? > "One wonders" indeed. Sure... love, peace and respect, right? Don't take everything you read here too seriously, you'll live longer. And wouldn't it be marvelous to get the golf-playing-crowd raving? Might solve some world problems. > regards, > -harsh Cheers, The Frying Dutchman [snip -> apparently offensive bit:] > > And on another topic, raving in a bowling alley, that must be the weirdest > > idea I have ever come across in this scene. One wonders what they will > > come up next with, full moon parties at the golf course with day glo golf > > balls? > > > > Still pining for the green, green grass of home, > > > > > > The Frying Dutchman > > > > -- > > > > >-- End of excerpt from hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com -- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 15:46:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA12686; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:46:51 -0800 Received: from infinity.c2.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA12680; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:46:47 -0800 Received: (from casy@localhost) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) id PAA07004; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:40:38 -0800 (PST) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: From: casy - a gay boy from San Francisco Message-Id: <199602092340.PAA07004@infinity.c2.org> Subject: what is where ois XNTRK? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:40:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: casy@c2.org (casy - a gay boy from San Francisco) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can somone help me with this ASAP. I won't be able to read email in the evening 'cause my server will be down. So it'd be great is someone could give me some info in the afternoon. >Try XNTRK Fri nite. ... the line up is fucking great... >then go to Vision Sat nite, go to church Sunday and do MAD monday :) What is and where is XTNTRK? What is the info line for it? thnx in advance, Peace & Free Love:) casy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 15:55:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA13153; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:55:09 -0800 Received: from violet.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA13137; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:55:04 -0800 Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.7.1/1.33r) id PAA23324; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:54:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:54:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Rose To: Ronald Knegtel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: bowlarama was HELP In-Reply-To: <9602091442.ZM13068@horatio.ucsf.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Noone. Is "weird" (see below) that strong a judgement? I was more amazed by > the fact that actual bowling is going on during the party (if any, since > apparently few people danced). It is quite unusual wouldn't you say? Many > people still see raving as something different than going to bars, bowling > alleys, playing pool or even clubbing judging from many of the postings here. > > > And on another topic, raving in a bowling alley, that must be the weirdest > > > idea I have ever come across in this scene. One wonders what they will > > > come up next with, full moon parties at the golf course with day glo golf > > > balls? I went to the first one, and I found out that the trick is to boogie down the lane AS you throw the ball and knock over the pins...all in time to the music...but seriously I had a great time and enjoyed hearing my favorite music in a new kind of setting. I also thought that it was cool to have neat videos playing instead of scoreboards. -Tony Rose From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 16:18:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15141; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:18:09 -0800 Received: from infinity.c2.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15121; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:17:59 -0800 Received: (from casy@localhost) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) id QAA14761 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:12:10 -0800 (PST) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: From: casy - a gay boy from San Francisco Message-Id: <199602100012.QAA14761@infinity.c2.org> Subject: XNTRK To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:12:09 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Goerge, Ronald, Thanks for the info casy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 16:22:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15550; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:22:56 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA15537; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:22:38 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14591(7)>; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:21:31 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <18700>; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:21:24 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA823912386; Fri, 09 Feb 96 16:32:34 PST Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:32:34 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9601098239.AA823912386@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Can someone send me this weeks sfraves calendar? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For the past two weeks I haven't received one and I think it has to do with my mail server doing maintenance stuff nightly...but who knows? Certainly not me! In any case, I tried to go to hyperreal.com on the web but there's the 48 hour blackout...so I'm kinda hoping I'll be up on what's going on this weekend before our server gets more maintenance after 5pm this weekend. If you read this after 5pm Friday night, please disregard my message. Thanks in advance and have a great weekend! Hugs, Diane From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 16:31:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA16155; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:31:12 -0800 Received: from ix13.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16141; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:31:04 -0800 Received: from by ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA14595; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:30:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:30:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199602100030.QAA14595@ix13.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Thanks for coming! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all those of you who showed to #sfraves! Thanks for coming! As usual, there were the initial problems of getting onto servers that didn't have 10 minute lag between sentences, but things got rolling a little better after 9 pm. I think for any future attempts (I keep learning as I go!) should probably be started a little later than 8 pm, as 8 pm is during the peak internet usage period & servers tend to be somewhat slower. So I will probably not be starting them earlier than 9 pm the next time I try this. This time, we were actually able to get several people conversing at once! Thanks to Brian Darkness, SDream, Bradley Graham, Starchild, djtom, & any others who may have shown while I was away for making it lots of fun! What did we do? We discussed deep meaningful philosophical idea, & found out many things: sdream's pack of 13 hamsters throw tiny secret rave parties while wearing little tiny raving outfits, Brian has a log-shaped cat (which of course dj's for the hamster raves), naked people rolling around in the mud are interesting, and they've all decided that I'm far into scatalogical humor. Sounds really dumb & it was a total blast! Much more successful than the last time. It's really nice to get to actually talk to people you see on the list directly. The irc is a very different environment than the list! If anybody is interested I will definitely try this again. Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 16:43:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA17222; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:43:11 -0800 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA17217; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:43:06 -0800 Received: from pp000267 by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id SAA06153; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:51:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:51:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199602092351.SAA06153@smtp1.interramp.com> X-Sender: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.com (Lee Fogel), star@sfsu.edu (Starchild) From: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com (Paul Richard) Subject: Re: Politics of Fun (was Re: Bad Apples... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 08:32 AM 2/9/96 PST, Lee Fogel wrote: >Starchild: >> People who go to raves are usually interested in having fun. Fun >> is not high on the priority list of most people in government. > >Sure it is. Everyone likes to have fun! > >> If it >> were, they would be less interested in law and order, > >Hasn't it occurred to you that implementing law & order is one of >the ways that *they* have fun? > >> Many of our >> problems *do* lie within the system, because the values that we practice >> as ravers [...] are in >> conflict with the puritanical, consumer/control-driven values promoted by >> our government. > >Which is not much different than saying that many of our problems >are due to people who like to have fun in conflicting ways. > >> This mindset explains comments like the one I heard at the San >> Francisco City Hall hearings on the ban on dancing after 2 a.m. for those >> under 18: "Dancing all night has no socially redeeming value," I recall >> one supporter of the ban saying. :( > >Yes, that is about as bad as someone saying that people in government >aren't interested in having fun. > >> [...] an environment where the law takes people's >> earnings without their consent, restricts freedom, and devalues fun. >> This is the equivalent of living in a cultural ghetto. I am not >> sure that real evolution of conciousness is possible on a mass scale in >> such an atmosphere. > >I'm not sure either. But generally speaking, things tend to evolve >toward their most natural state - so wherever we end up most likely >will be where we are meant to be, as we, like all things, continue to >travel with the currents of change. > >Lee Thanks, Lee, for defending those of us in government who are interested in having fun. Paul (formerly official White House raver) Paul Richard pp000267@interramp.com Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita mi ritrovai per una selva piu' bella, che la diretta via era scoperta. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 17:37:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20495; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:37:40 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA20490; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:37:36 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.73] (g34-73.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18119; Fri, 9 Feb 96 20:35:10 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:41:58 -0500 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sevarFS) From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: mish mash o' stuff Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, just a few things (all rave-related even!), one is that i just finished working on this zine thing and one part to it is an "info-e" flyer that i had a chance to re-design for the zine. I .gif'ed it and put it up on hyperreal, it's got a lot of good information in a tiny package. Ha ha, i just thought of another metaphor for that line, *ahem* ;) please ignore my sense of humour and go to... http://hyperreal.com/drugs/infoe/index.html PLUS (tom you'll be interested in this) there's a couple cool goa links that i found, one is at: http://www.mrl.uiuc.edu/~menezes/goa/goaweb.html. there's also a main page at: http://www.algonet.se/~arfc/links.html peace, and have a good friday night :) braaaaaad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 17:52:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA21362; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:52:13 -0800 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21357; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:52:08 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA28783 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:51:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: <960209205125_140370093@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Update: The SFR Tahoe Cabin Trip!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Right on, I'm just diggin into this one, full on. Thanks for all your responses. I'm syncrhonizing schedules right now, so let me know if there's any weekend or day that you would prefer it to happen, or not prefer. Just resend a very brief bit spit containg dates prefered or not, any equipment or goods or services you might be able to contribute off hand, and your name, or your go-by. I'll redistribute this list when compiled. Also there's still room, so let your friends know. Thanks, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 18:12:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA22648; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:12:56 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA22638; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:12:46 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA23029; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:57:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:57:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199602100057.QAA23029@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: grigsby@shell.portal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: (NonRave) GLAAD ALARMED etc. X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I changed four words from Daniel's spiel, and look what happened. > >"I still wouldn't want to make it too easy for these spewers of filth. >If it was me making the rules, I would have all homos register like >sex offenders then their propaganda can be monitored if they cross I take extreme exception to this. I'm not homosexual, but I would have to say you absolutely cannot equate homosexuality with pedophilia. One involves consenting adults. The other involves adults taking advantage of children, and yes, I absolutely believe that pedophilia should be illegal. To intimate that homosexuality has anything to do with pedophilia is ludicrous. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 18:54:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA27015; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:54:31 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA27007; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:54:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: In The Land Of Someone Else (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:13:43 -0800 (PST) From: Steven J White To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Cc: sf-raves@hyperreal.com, nw-raves@hyperreal.com, mtn-raves@hyperreal.com, nyc-raves@hyperreal.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: In The Land Of Someone Else (fwd) !!! Mail forwarded by mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com !!! !!! Please watch your address headers !!! !!! This means that I *DID NOT* write this message !!! !!! Please reply to the original author !!! Forwarded message: > From valis@execpc.com Tue Feb 6 07:35:05 1996 > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:34:59 -0600 (CST) > From: "valis@execpc.com" > Subject: In The Land Of Someone Else > > > > A few days ago the moderator of an e-mail newsgroup broke the sepulchral > silence with a litany of maudlin allusions he might better have kept > to himself, for the communication of defeat is too easy a thing to do. > The nimble progress of the CDA through Congress was his somber muse. > Somehow he sounded as Edward R Murrow might have on the eve of WW2, > which contrasts mightily with my wish that such were the actual event. > A government that transgresses too outrageously against too many for too > long will eventually have a war on its hands, whether domestic or foreign; > at least this has been the case historically. > > In the case of the American government in the late 20th century, however, > an amalgam of political cretinism and a disposition to await messiahs > serves to blunt opposition until the Devil has descended through the clouds > with a shout of unalloyed glee. > > This is The Land Of Someone Else. When we see under the store-bought > No Trespassing sign an exasperated home-made scrawl, "This Means You!", > we persist in believing that Someone Else is being addressed, weighed, > rejected. Whatever outrage occurs right before us on the street invites > Someone Else to set the matter straight. We will dutifully catch the > story on the evening news. Be the issue high or low, Someone Else is our > designated proxy, our lightning rod, our take-charge guy in the mirror. > > Thus, it was no surprise to see this personage seconded to the noble role > of thwarting the CDA, first on the Senate floor, then in the House, > next in the Oval Office, and finally in a succession of court challenges. > Be not surprised, Netters, if the center is not holding; if a small > alphabet soup of advocacy groups fighting your battle in far-off > Washington proved less than adequate. I seem to recall, after all, > that a structural absence of center _per se_ was one of the Net's > prime virtues. Suddenly, as you all sit in remote spiral arms of > this coreless cyber-galaxy, the incipient fascism of the crazed > Washington Moloch seems close and overbearing all the more. > > I should not, by ordinary measure, be concerned with the CDA's signal > obsessions, for I neither produce nor consume online porn and am quite > fed up with the way promising newsgroups soon develop all the charm of > a flooded toilet (`Toilet' OK, Mr Slimebucket Spook?). The fact remains, > though, that there are other things I dislike far more, like being _forced_ > to defend profanity and porn, on principle and with great vigor, > just because a fascist law makes them instruments in a campaign of > collective punishment against all Netters. Far more yet do I dislike > the sly, calculating duplicity of a government which, were it in China, > would be said to have lost The Mandate Of Heaven; a government that > performs agile and obedient tricks at the command of global corporations, > but tyrannizes in turn the society that first supplied it with legitimacy. > > Prison labor being America's last growth industry, the CDA will dutifully > supply fodder for its walled venues from social elements that spend little > time on the streets and rarely entertain standard criminal ambitions. > However, the motto of the CDA is: If it breathes we can bust it! > Eyes peeled for porn are there also for whatever else that might offend > somebody, somewhere, especially in Washington or on Wall Street. > If you worry about it, you might get scared; if you _are_ scared, > you might develop a paralysis of will. > > Therefore, I volunteer to become a center at this pivotal time; > I will be your indispensable-but-lacking Someone Else, the canary > in your coal mine. When my song stops, it's time for you to check > your own atmospheric conditions with great vigilance, to trade your > keyboard for less congenial toys, for tools that convey a harder > impression. Above all, never succumb to the temptation to merely > hide in solitude like a wounded animal. Talk, probe, feel other > people out, especially those who differ from yourself in any number > of obvious ways. Make your own astounding discovery about just how > quickly this whole system's conscious enemies are proliferating. > If you accept me as such a center, let others know and let me know. > > valis > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > %% %% > %% Those whom the Feds wish to destroy they first make criminal; %% > %% have you checked your status lately? %% > %% %% > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 19:07:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27958; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:07:08 -0800 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA27951; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:07:05 -0800 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA19536; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:06:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:06:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199602100306.TAA19536@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Harmony Tickets To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For those of you who are interested in getting tickets for the upcoming party, we will be at XNTRK tonight and Vision tomorrow, then on Monday we will be at MAD. Look for the people in the Crayon suits and that is us. Also, if you are not planning to go to these parties you can get tickets @ F-8 and Solid Grooves. Peace, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 19:08:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28010; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:08:12 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA28005; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:08:09 -0800 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id TAA28557; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:08:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:07:59 -0800 (PST) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Vision : $11 before 11PM ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Could anyone say if the same poverty jet set price from the last Vision will be the same for this one ? Bolger From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 19:33:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA29419; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:33:17 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA29406; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:33:13 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA03774; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:17:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:17:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199602100317.TAA03774@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Politics of Fun (was Re: Bad Apples... X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Paul (formerly official White House raver) Pardon me? So...what...would you throw the raves at the White House or simply advise the President on them? I don't suppose the Oval Office was used as a chill room? Was Hillary ever out of control while candyflipping? No, let me guess -- it was Al Gore on the keyboard? Somehow, I just can't see Newt with an alien shirt on, but Ted Kennedy probably danced with his head in the speakers... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 19:33:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA29436; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:33:21 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA29418; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:33:17 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA03582; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:17:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:17:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199602100317.TAA03582@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: shawna-@ix.netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Thanks for coming! X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >We discussed deep meaningful >philosophical idea, & found out many things: sdream's pack of 13 >hamsters throw tiny secret rave parties while wearing little tiny >raving outfits, Brian has a log-shaped cat (which of course dj's for >the hamster raves), ... OH NO! Now everyone knows! More hamsters will start showing up, there will be wall to wall hamstas packed into the cage, the fire marshall will get wind of it, the police will have to break up the parties, and then, the deathknell: it'll go mainstream! There will be hamsta raves everywhere, DJ LogCat's tapes will start showing up at Ameba! Other cats will start DJing using DJ LogCat's style, with names like Cato, Carth, Kitty Kitty, and Doc Kitten. Cage Music, CyberCage, TechnoCage, Goa Hammie, and Hammie Trance will be played on mainstream radio! Industrial hamstas will gauge their coolness by the number of tail posts they've gotten. The press will misreport that hamsters are dropping dead from taking tiny hits of e, but we'll all know it was dehydration because they boogied all night without ever hitting the water bottle. School kids and yuppie-raver-wannabes with no sense of rhythm or vibe will be wearing hamsta wear! It'll be horrible! Of course, the true hardcore hamstas will just start having underground hamsta raves, staging them out in the forest or down on the beach, followed by after-parties with free sunflower seeds. They'll post phone numbers on a hamsta rave calendar web page. And of course, to communicate with other hamstas the world over, they'll start an email list, hamsta@hyperreal.com! The hamsta spirit will survive! Hamstas Rule! S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 19:37:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA29788; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:37:32 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA29783; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:37:29 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id TAA18163; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:37:26 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id TAA24426; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:37:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:37:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: thanx To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk thanx to everyone who took the time to give me such thoughtful and constructive responses on the stealing issue. i really value your insights and good will. its no big surprise, but i have not got any hints to the actual whereabouts of my goods-O DRAG...it is nice, however, to know that you all know where i am coming from. see ya all at vision and harmony...LOVE LOVE LOVE ( this is a sing a-long): all ya need is love, love. love is all ya need and my camera.... hEEE hEEE hip bones connected to the blah blah ya know JamiE.....is on crack* From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 19:46:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA00316; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:46:12 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA00306; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:46:09 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA03751 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:43:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:43:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199602100343.TAA03751@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: GHB X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Can anyone provide details on GHB? I heard of this for the first time just last night, and I'm curious. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 19:51:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA00662; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:51:08 -0800 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA00640; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:51:04 -0800 Received: by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA08951; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:50:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: "d. durrell" Subject: Re: stolen goods... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9602092109.AA17638@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Bravo. mrfrog On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Lee Fogel wrote: ...I can just see it: "So, does this mean that it's OK > > for people to steal, if that's what they want to do?" sort of thing. Of > > course, it's NOT OK to steal, no matter what the reasons. > > Actually, you are wrong. Many of us respect fixer's right to steal > from us as long as he respects our right to beat the living shit out > of him after we come out of our group hug. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 20:35:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA03499; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:35:41 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA03493; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:35:34 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (root@nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA11299 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:46:49 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA29119 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:32:44 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id UAA14976 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:32:42 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199602100432.UAA14976@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Re: (NonRave) GLAAD ALARMED etc. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:32:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199602100057.QAA23029@shellx.best.com> from "SDream" at Feb 9, 96 04:57:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2464 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I take extreme exception to this. I'm not homosexual, but I would have to > say you absolutely cannot equate homosexuality with pedophilia. One > involves consenting adults. The other involves adults taking advantage of > children, and yes, I absolutely believe that pedophilia should be illegal. > To intimate that homosexuality has anything to do with pedophilia is ludicrous. Exactly my point. EVERYONE has a group in mind that they are absolutely sure is completely, unregenerately evil, and that justifies such treatment. For some, it's blacks. For some, it's Jews. For some, it's the anti-gun lobby. For some, it's gays. For some, it's Big Business (tm). For some, it's Muslims. For some, it's Christians, or Satanists, or Wiccans, or Native Americans, or lesbians, or drug users, or the UN, or the Krishnas, or environmentalists, or liberals, or whatever. You are correct that you cannot equate any of these groups with each other. But once you advocate censorship, covert monitoring, or depriving of life and liberty of any one of those groups, you have loaded the gun, and it can and will be turned on you as the fickle winds of public opinion change. Remember COINTELPRO? Bobby Seale? Fred Hampton? Judi Bari? If not, maybe a little research is in order so you can actually see who gets it when the government decides to covertly eliminate based on belief. And if you persist in thinking "but X is different, those people really _are_ evil", check the above list. You're on it. The world is full of people who do not share your views. And just to play devil's advocate, the "age of consent" is 18 in most places in the US. Well through the middle ages, people were married at 16 or less. Most people reach (biological) sexual maturity much earlier than that (13ish). Sure, everyone can draw a line _somewhere_ and say "OK, that's disgusting, that's too much". I can too, and do. But others will draw the line both in front of and behind where I do, and whatever my beliefs on the matter, I will not advocate censorship for those advocating a different line. Rape is another matter, and is a heinous act regardless of age, sex, race, or anything else. Just so I'm clear here. And if people want to start debating sexual politics, PLEASE take it private as this is well off topic already. Plus I'm not very interested in the debate anyway, but it was brought up as an example so I responded to it. // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 9 20:37:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA03667; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:37:44 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA03656; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:37:32 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA18558; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:32:29 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:32:29 -0800 (PST) To: "d. durrell" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: stolen goods... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, d. durrell wrote: > > Bravo. > > mrfrog > > On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Lee Fogel wrote: > > ...I can just see it: "So, does this mean that it's OK > > > for people to steal, if that's what they want to do?" sort of thing. Of > > > course, it's NOT OK to steal, no matter what the reasons. > > > > Actually, you are wrong. Many of us respect fixer's right to steal > > from us as long as he respects our right to beat the living shit out > > of him after we come out of our group hug. > > Oh boy, another person unclear on the concept. Nowhere in Robert's post was their any support of people stealing other people's stuff. What he was responding to was the fact that someone was saying "this isn't the way the "scene" is supposed to be, it is supposed to be this way...." Baaa.... baaaa... moo... moo... Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 01:07:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA20349; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:07:29 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA20344; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:07:26 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.67] (Cust3.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.67]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA04719 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:07:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199602100907.BAA04719@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:07:10 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: TOTALLY NOT RAVE RELATED Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi... I'm now working for Pac Bell Internet, a new ISP soon to be made available sometime in April. My job is as Internal Webmaster... This is for an internal web site for the employees. Anyways, it's quite ironic that Cap'n Crunch is now working for Pac Bell... :-) Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 01:15:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA20581; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:15:36 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA20576; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:15:33 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.67] (Cust3.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.67]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA04781; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:07:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199602100907.BAA04781@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:07:17 +1000 To: hdeshma@cadev6.intel.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51 - HELP!!! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >who died and made you judge of "acceptable" sites to rave at ? >if they want to rave on the moon, let them. Now, THAT would be an interesting venue... I guarentee that there would NEVER be any noise complaints... Sound don't travel in a vacuum.... Perhaps someone might consider that as a MFR site.... But with the low gravity, I suspect that the BPM's would have to be in the Acid Jazz range... :-) It would also be totally bust proof... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 11:36:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23835; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:36:06 -0800 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23830; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:36:04 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA19728 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:35:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:35:28 -0500 Message-ID: <960210143527_218877241@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: VISION Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk See you all at Vision tonight. I'll be wearing a shirt that says Nawty boy on it. Ill probably be behind the bar, or somewhere helping out, i will wear my laminate. If you see me say hi, or give me a smile!:) Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 11:36:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23907; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:36:17 -0800 Received: from isis.source.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23845; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:36:09 -0800 Received: by isis.source.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id LAA02734; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:33:59 -0800 From: "anne petrie" Message-Id: <9602101133.ZM2732@isis.source.net> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:33:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: SDream@tgrigsby.com Subject: GHB Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk GHB (gammahydrobutylate) is an amino acid, a precursor to a protein. It metabolizes fat for you quickly and prevents it from being absorbed by your body. Body builders use it to tone up and lose fat right before contests. GHB can be incredibly interesting. It can make you feel incredibly warm (in a good way), slightly disoriented, and kind of liquidy. Similar to e without the warm fuzzies (it doesn't make you want to talk all night to the person standing next to you in line for example) In combination with e it is verrrrry nice; it feels like it increases the peace within you. HOWEVER, PLEASE NOTE THAT WITH GHB, LESS IS MORE . . . MORE THAN ONE DOSE (one tablespoon) WILL MAKE YOU PASS OUT AND THROW UP! YOU WILL BE SO DISORIENTED THAT YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO WALK ETC. Do not mix this with any alcohol! The line between a good time with GHB and a really bad time is VERY fine. Make sure you stick to the tablespoon rule, even if you are a larger person and smaller people should take smaller dosages. You can always take a little more, but you can't go back and take less! warmly, -- Anne Petrie Third Wave Solutions, Inc. E-mail: anne@source.net Remember, if you breathe and persist anything is possible. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 13:45:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA06312; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:45:22 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06305; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:45:18 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA17882; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:45:05 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9602101345.ZM17879@well> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:45:04 -0800 In-Reply-To: Brian DarknEs^2 "(NON-RAVE) A PC-SCSI Deal To Good To Pass.........." (Feb 9, 12:33pm) References: <2.2.32.19960209203352.0067aef8@199.89.140.103> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Brian DarknEs^2 , Robert Smith , sfraves@hyperreal.com, Robert Smith Subject: Re: (NON-RAVE) A PC-SCSI Deal To Good To Pass.......... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Not to rain on anyone's bargain parade, but $250 or even $200 for a 1-gig drive just isn't a big deal. I got a 1.6 gig new Maxtor IDE drive at Egghead this week for just under $300. Some of the specialty remainder-stock (new in box but discontinued model) resellers like CSC have had 3 gig Seagate SCSI drives for sale at $400 in the last month. Drive prices have fallen dramatically and will probably continue to decline somewhat. Now if you can find me fast, cheap, reliable RAM for, oh $20 a meg or so, *that* would be something! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 13:51:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA06667; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:51:32 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06660; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:51:29 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA19938; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:51:23 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9602101351.ZM19935@well> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:51:23 -0800 In-Reply-To: Tony Rose "bowlarama was HELP" (Feb 9, 3:54pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Tony Rose , Ronald Knegtel Subject: Re: bowlarama was HELP Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Actually, Pac Bowl is not really a new idea, there was at least one similar event maybe two years ago, as I recall Jeno was on the DJ list for that one. It should become an honorable tradition, though. I really want to see the music spread to more than just the usual clubs, parties and outdoor nooks and crannies. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 15:32:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA12001; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:32:40 -0800 Received: from shell1.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA11995; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:32:37 -0800 Received: from [205.149.171.92] (bayball.vip.best.com [205.149.171.92]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA00424 for ; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:32:31 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:32:31 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bayball@best.com (Alex) Subject: Vision Questions Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all-Just a few ?'s about Vision tonight...I'm bartending and I won't be getting off until at least 1:00 and probably later, so I was wondering if people think Vision will be sold out by then, or if there will be a titanic line or anything like that. Also, does anyone know how much it costs after 11? The recording says $15 with a can before 11, but it doesn't say how much after. Lastly, I'm coming from the city and I heard there might be delays on the Bay Bridge. Anyone got anything on this? Thanks for the help, hopefully I'll make it to the party. Alex, The Loving Bartender From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 19:41:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA29141; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:41:37 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA29134; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:41:31 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp101.liberty.com [199.89.140.1]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA02293; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:41:06 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960211034143.00672fcc@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:41:43 -0800 To: "Fred Heutte" , Brian DarknEs^2 , Robert Smith , sfraves@hyperreal.com, Robert Smith From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: (NON-RAVE) A PC-SCSI Deal To Good To Pass.......... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hI fRED; tHAT'S a good deal for a Fast ****WIDE***** SCSI Drive SCSI-II. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 10 20:08:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA01395; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:08:10 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA01384; Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:08:00 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:07:31 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 20:07:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: V I S I O N !! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk See you there!! -w ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 11 10:51:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA21593; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 10:51:33 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA21583; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 10:51:29 -0800 From: freakz@ultima.org Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Sun, 11 Feb 96 10:53 PST Message-Id: <1.5.4b11.16.19960211184709.2dff61e6@ultima.org> X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4b11 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 10:47:09 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Vision! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just got home from Vision where my friends were doing the light show with my roommate's new LCD projector. I can't say that it was one of the better parties that I've been to. . The first two DJ's, Tony and Grame, didn't really do anything for me but Markie was THE SHIT. Definately the turning point for the whole party! Thanks to Jondabomb@aol.com for finding something we thought was lost. Anyways, I've been up for 28 hours and it's time for a Newcastle and then to bed! ps: what did everybody think of the light show? -Sean F R E A K Z O N E ! "House music all night long..." (415) 227-7421 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 11 14:00:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA05466; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:00:51 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA05457; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:00:48 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: Sami Khoury To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Freedom of Speech in Cyberspace (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is decidedly 'non-rave', but extremely important given the context of our discussion. Sami ------------------------------ Subject: That Great Invertebrate From: barlow@eff.org (John Perry Barlow) Date: 96-02-09 11:18:54 EST Yesterday, that great invertebrate in the White House signed into the law the Telecom "Reform" Act of 1996, while Tipper Gore took digital photographs of the proceedings to be included in a book called "24 Hours in Cyberspace." I had also been asked to participate in the creation of this book by writing something appropriate to the moment. Given the atrocity that this legislation would seek to inflict on the Net, I decided it was as good a time as any to dump some tea in the virtual harbor. After all, the Telecom "Reform" Act, passed in the Senate with only 5 dissenting votes, makes it unlawful, and punishable by a $250,000 to say "shit" online. Or, for that matter, to say any of the other 7 dirty words prohibited in broadcast media. Or to discuss abortion openly. Or to talk about any bodily function in any but the most clinical terms. It attempts to place more restrictive constraints on the conversation in Cyberspace than presently exist in the Senate cafeteria, where I have dined and heard colorful indecencies spoken by United States senators on every occasion I did. This bill was enacted upon us by people who haven't the slightest idea who we are or where our conversation is being conducted. It is, as my good friend and Wired Editor Louis Rossetto put it, as though "the illiterate could tell you what to read." Well, fuck them. Or, more to the point, let us now take our leave of them. They have declared war on Cyberspace. Let us show them how cunning, baffling, and powerful we can be in our own defense. I have written something (with characteristic grandiosity) that I hope will become one of many means to this end. If you find it useful, I hope you will pass it on as widely as possible. You can leave my name off it if you like, because I don't care about the credit. I really don't. But I do hope this cry will echo across Cyberspace, changing and growing and self-replicating, until it becomes a great shout equal to the idiocy they have just inflicted upon us. I give you... A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather. We have no elected government, nor are we likely to have one, so I address you with no greater authority than that with which liberty itself always speaks. I declare the global social space we are building to be naturally independent of the tyrannies you seek to impose on us. You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear. Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. Cyberspace does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions. You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions. You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different. Cyberspace consists of transactions, relationships, and thought itself, arrayed like a standing wave in the web of our communications. Ours is a world that is both everywhere and nowhere, but it is not where bodies live. We are creating a world that all may enter without privilege or prejudice accorded by race, economic power, military force, or station of birth. We are creating a world where anyone, anywhere may express his or her beliefs, no matter how singular, without fear of being coerced into silence or conformity. Your legal concepts of property, expression, identity, movement, and context do not apply to us. They are based on matter, There is no matter here. Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose. In the United States, you have today created a law, the Telecommunications Reform Act, which repudiates your own Constitution and insults the dreams of Jefferson, Washington, Mill, Madison, DeToqueville, and Brandeis. These dreams must now be born anew in us. You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat. In China, Germany, France, Russia, Singapore, Italy and the United States, you are trying to ward off the virus of liberty by erecting guard posts at the frontiers of Cyberspace. These may keep out the contagion for a small time, but they will not work in a world that will soon be blanketed in bit-bearing media. Your increasingly obsolete information industries would perpetuate themselves by proposing laws, in America and elsewhere, that claim to own speech itself throughout the world. These laws would declare ideas to be another industrial product, no more noble than pig iron. In our world, whatever the human mind may create can be reproduced and distributed infinitely at no cost. The global conveyance of thought no longer requires your factories to accomplish. These increasingly hostile and colonial measures place us in the same position as those previous lovers of freedom and self-determination who had to reject the authorities of distant, uninformed powers. We must declare our virtual selves immune to your sovereignty, even as we continue to consent to your rule over our bodies. We will spread ourselves across the Planet so that no one can arrest our thoughts. We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before. Davos, Switzerland February 8, 1996 **************************************************************** John Perry Barlow, Cognitive Dissident Co-Founder, Electronic Frontier Foundation ***************************************************************** It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.--Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia ___________________________________________________________ ___Stephen Travis Pope, Editor--Computer Music Journal, MIT Press ___Research Director--CCMRC, Dept. of Music, U. C. Santa Barbara ___stp@ccmrc.ucsb.edu http://www.ccmrc.ucsb.edu/~stp/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 11 15:33:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA11805; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:33:38 -0800 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA11800; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:33:36 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA14989 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:33:04 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: <960211183207_420087201@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Vision Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I really had a good time at this party, from running around getting water, to giving people oranges. The music was killer,especially....no...every dj spun sick shit! I hope I didn't piss anyone off, i was just really busy and had a ton of work to do....(Happy bodies need lots of water) I think I met Kristen. I know I saw wayne there, and the crunchman.... There were so many friendly people. I heard there was a fight, shame on those people!:) I thought the lazers where totally intense, and the light show was really trippy. Esspecially the trippy tv stuff, in the main room! Well I think my body has died on me because i am in more pain then anyone can comprehend! Peace, love, and energy JOnathan (Positive energy that is!: ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 11 17:26:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20748; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:26:36 -0800 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA20736; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:26:33 -0800 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA20735; Sun, 11 Feb 96 17:25:00 -0800 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9602120125.AA20735@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Subject: Vision. To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:24:59 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 656 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I thought Vision was a very good party, even if it did require a large amount of work and sweat to get through the whole thing. The music, sound, space, lights were all top notch. There was a great deal of tension that had been weighing me down for a while, and I got to just get it all out and wrestle it down to the floor, and towards morning my smile just got more and more genuine, and my life just began to flow all the more. I can't say that it was all fun, but I can say that I'm feeling pretty damn good today. Sometimes you just have to pay your dues to see the shining sun. So it was well worth it. -john. http://www.he.net/~swoosh/ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 11 17:35:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA21276; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:35:50 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21267; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:35:46 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA118918790; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:33:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Vision To: Jondabomb@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960211183207_420087201@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I missed this party (I'm holding out for Harmony next week) - so where was it located and did you like the space? Was it a pretty big party? I used to never ever miss a Basics, Gathering or Vision back in 93-94, but now I've found myself just loyal to Gatherings. I've been preferring the smaller venues with dj's I haven't heard yet. But I still love hearing about these parties. love, Amy --------------- | _ ,/| | | '\`o O' | | =(_^_)= | Amy Starkey | |U| | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu | | | | --------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 11 17:47:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA21956; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:47:25 -0800 Received: from CyberGate.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21949; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:47:22 -0800 From: morton@CyberGate.COM Received: by CyberGate.COM (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Cybergate Information Services) id BAA03961; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 01:49:39 GMT Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:49:39 -0800 (PST) To: freakz@ultima.org cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Vision! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b11.16.19960211184709.2dff61e6@ultima.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 freakz@ultima.org wrote: > Just got home from Vision where my friends were doing the light show with my > roommate's new LCD projector. I can't say that it was one of the better > parties that I've been to. . The first two DJ's, Tony and Grame, didn't > really do anything for me but Markie was THE SHIT. Yes...I agree that Markie got the place to move, but that DJ from Detroit kicked ass. What was his name anyway? I also thought the party wasn't the best I've been to. The lights were right on (I like the big white one that flashes though, lasers don't do much for me). Marty From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 11 21:30:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA09552; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:30:02 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA09535; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:29:59 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA13048; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:29:47 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602120529.VAA13048@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: Vision! To: morton@CyberGate.COM Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:29:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: freakz@ultima.org, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "morton@CyberGate.COM" at Feb 11, 96 05:49:39 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM morton@CyberGate.COM: > >Yes...I agree that Markie got the place to move, but that DJ from >Detroit kicked ass. What was his name anyway? Blake Baxter was the Detroit dj. What did he play? I got caught up into some other commitments and missed this one... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 11 23:06:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA15744; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:06:43 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA15736; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:06:39 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA13947 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602120706.XAA13947@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Technotika To: sf-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:30:57 -0800 (PST) URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The surprise guests from Detroit are Roland & The Suburban Knight, members of Underground Resistance. See you next weekend! -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 08:38:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA07669; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:38:48 -0800 Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA07658; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:38:37 -0800 Received: from mailhub.manual3.com by relay2.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA16027; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:38:34 -0500 Received: from [206.5.32.54] by mailhub.manual3.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:07:18 -0800 X-Sender: nathan_moser@mailhub.manual3.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nathan_moser@manual3.com (Nathan Moser) Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51- HELP!!! Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:07:18 -0800 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jamie Pauline Smith: >> >> So... the other issue at hand is crime in our scene. We should >>be able to trust each other. Is this not one of our most basic values? >>If we cannot trust in the love we share with each other, it makes our >>efforts seem quite superficial. I am sadly in need of some reassurance >>and would appreciate your thoughts on this, and your help if possible in >>the search for my stolen goods. > >Not to make light of your loss and hurt, but I'll say this again. >Not everyone does or should subscribe to anyone else's belief >system, especially revolving around music. I really get tired of >the forced "spirituality" aspects of the techno & house appreciators >here in SF. I don't want to take 15 minutes for a hand-holding circle >or a group hug or any rituals. I will make my own meaning and significance >of the music. This sort of "group think" about what the "Scene" should >or shouldn't be seems to limit individuals freedom to make it whatever >*they* want it to be. > Does trust qualify as a belief system? Regardless, I like being able to throw my jacket in a corner and pick it up in the same place at the end of the night. I don't know if I'd extend this trust to an expensive camera, and I'll admit that my well-worn jacket is probably not the biggest temptation around. I do know that I'd never think of doing the same at a bar, a movie theater, or in a park. There absolutely is something about the "scene" that allows us to transcend normal social barriers and interact in ways that are substantially different from everyday life. Does this have anything to do with the music that's being played? I've gone to lots of concerts and clubs for the music, but felt no particular connection with the other people there. The rituals I've encountered have occured at the beginning or very end of an event, so it never felt particularly forced; I could come a bit late or leave a bit early. I agree that they often seem like a weird aside to the rest of what's going on, but occaisionally I've found them pretty interesting. The only really spiritual moments at raves for me have been spontaneous, and have generally suprised the hell out of this atheist-raised boy. Sometimes they've been shared with others at that moment, sometimes not. In fact, I ultimately have no way of knowing whether that person looking deep into my eyes was sharing anything like my experience, or just getting off on the goofy expression on my face. I've never been much of a herd-follower myself, so in the end it doesn't really matter that much - the experience was quite real to me. take care! -nate From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 08:49:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA08775; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:49:40 -0800 Received: from CyberGate.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA08749; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:49:28 -0800 From: morton@CyberGate.COM Received: by CyberGate.COM (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Cybergate Information Services) id QAA18677; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:51:33 GMT Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:51:33 -0800 (PST) To: Robert Smith cc: freakz@ultima.org, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Vision! In-Reply-To: <199602120529.VAA13048@ramona.cyborganic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Robert Smith wrote: > Blake Baxter was the Detroit dj. What did he play? I got caught > up into some other commitments and missed this one... Can't tell you what he played cause I'm still new at this. I just know that his music made me CRAZY! I pushed my way to the front to watch him for a while. The coolest was when he moved some knob back and forth to make the music cut in and out. I'd love to hear him again. Does he usually play in SF? Marty From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 08:55:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA09845; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:55:55 -0800 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA09836; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:55:52 -0800 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA14697; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:54:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:54:52 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Fogel Subject: vision To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Its been over a month since i been out. I had a great time though, didn't think it was as good as the gathering. It was in the same big warehouse. One room was used as a chill out room. In there a tv was set up, with some people gathered around watching cartoons. Behind that there was a big screen with some trippy patterns on it. The room wasn't too comfortable, but it was nice to be able to chill out away from the music at times. Started dancing around 1am. Not sure who the dj was, was but there was these bursts of high energy fast music, where the crowd would go crazy. Some of markie's set I found interesting as he played alot of these percussion sounds. It was at this point that I noticed people sitting down, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DANCE FLOOR. Personally, I would prefer it if people wanted to chill out and rest they go to the chill room or along the side, or at least toward the back. As markie's music picked up, and people were jumping, I wouldn't have been surprized if the people on floor up front got stepped on. Personally, I wasn't crazy about the detroit dj. He really had me going at times, with a good groove but didn't seem to keep it that long, as he would change the tempo. I chilled out to alot of his set, so I might have missed the best parts. His music sounded like hard trance, a little too serious for my tastes for a long period of time. I think I had the most fun dancing at the end to spun. People were a bit spread out (would have prefered everyone to be a little closer), which left alot of room to dance. This is nice allowing myself to dance with out concern of bumping anyone. At this point it seemed that the people left were really into the music. No one sitting down, people groovin, and taking in the remaining hour of happy music. When it ended and lights came on, all I saw were smiles. I thought the lighting was alot better than the gathering. At the gathering the big room was mostly dark. At vision there were some cool lazers, big screen video of some under water nature, and some cool looking animation stuff. You might not tell from this post, but I did have a blast at vision. And the drive home was something like going through a fantasy land, from driving under the new stucture before the toll booth to driving over the bridge. The fog was so thick, I felt like I was driving in the heavens. Couldn't see the city until we were pretty close to it, and then we could only see the tops of the building peeking over the fog, with blue sky above it. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 09:14:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12047; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:14:09 -0800 Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA12035; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:14:06 -0800 Received: (from davidk@localhost) by nature.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21047; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:14:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:14:01 -0800 (PST) From: David Kilimnik To: freakz@ultima.org cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Vision! In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b11.16.19960211184709.2dff61e6@ultima.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (snip) Markie was THE SHIT. Definately the turning point for the whole party! (snip) Tell it like it is! -dave. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 09:16:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12329; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:16:42 -0800 Received: from nature.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA12322; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:16:39 -0800 Received: (from davidk@localhost) by nature.Berkeley.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21330; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:16:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:16:35 -0800 (PST) From: David Kilimnik To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: What was the Vision Line Up? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey there- Can someone tell me what the sequence of dj's was at Vision? I was there, but in and out of the main floor conciousness. Thanks, -dave. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 09:47:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA15449; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:47:04 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA15433; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:46:56 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA14556; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:46:48 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04560; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:42:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:42:55 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Vision To: Jondabomb@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960211183207_420087201@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 Jondabomb@aol.com wrote: > I think I met Kristen. ^^^^^^^ kIRsten :) :) Nice to meet you too:) --kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 09:56:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA16497; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:56:13 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16466; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:55:56 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA18668; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:55:27 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602121755.JAA18668@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: Vision! To: morton@CyberGate.COM Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:55:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: freakz@ultima.org, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "morton@CyberGate.COM" at Feb 12, 96 08:51:33 am URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM morton@CyberGate.COM: > > > >On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Robert Smith wrote: > >> Blake Baxter was the Detroit dj. What did he play? I got caught >> up into some other commitments and missed this one... > >I'd love to hear him again. Does he usually play in SF? > To my knowledge, Blake has never spun in SF before this. But, coming in the next few weeks are more Detroit dj's. Feb 17 -Technotika (special guest dj's from Detroit are Rolando & the Suburban Knight of Underground Resistance) Mar 2 - (I forget the party name) Derrick May & Stacey Pullen (and possibly Juan Atkins, if the promoter wants.) -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 10:26:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19006; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:26:36 -0800 Received: from lazlo.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18998; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:26:29 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by lazlo.steam.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA18822 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:38:55 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA13583; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:21:13 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16104; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:16:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Vision! To: freakz@ultima.org cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <1.5.4b11.16.19960211184709.2dff61e6@ultima.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 freakz@ultima.org wrote: > ps: what did everybody think of the light show? I thought the lights were fantastic. I was wondering why the black lights were turned off during the lasers? Was it to see the lasers better? Anyway, it provided a neat mood change in the room. I had a great time and ended up staying much longer than planned:) --kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 11:23:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23172; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:23:42 -0800 Received: from hopf.dnai.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23163; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:23:32 -0800 Received: from 140.174.162.120 (netnoir2.dnai.com [140.174.162.120]) by hopf.dnai.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA20000; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:22:16 -0800 Message-ID: <311F259E.2F37@netnoir.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:33:50 +0000 From: Jonathan Santos Reply-To: jon@netnoir.com Organization: NetNoir, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Smith CC: morton@CyberGate.COM, freakz@ultima.org, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Vision! References: <199602121755.JAA18668@ramona.cyborganic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Robert Smith wrote: > To my knowledge, Blake has never spun in SF before this. THe DV8 at the German sponsored rave xtravaganza. (during the celebration of the UN's 50th anniversary. > in the next few weeks are more Detroit dj's. > Feb 17 -Technotika (special guest dj's from Detroit are Rolando & > the Suburban Knight of Underground Resistance) Not to be confused with Spundaes happy hardcore/Cyber Trance Goa room 'teknotika'. THe promoters got into over this one. The argument? Teknotika has been an Underground Resistance record label fo many years. Teknotika has been a happy hardcore/goa/cybertrance room at Spundae for awhile. Who owns the name Teknotika? -Jon From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 11:27:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23700; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:27:33 -0800 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23684; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:27:23 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id LAA18454; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:26:31 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:26:30 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Subject: XNTRK Review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A group of us went to XNTRK. Our main pull was BIOJeff spinning, but we were interested in hearing the other DJs, and checking out this new spot south of Army Street. Overall the party was good. There were a couple hang-ups, a couple glitches, but all-in-all it was a nice time. The directions didn't get posted until late, like 9:30 PM and the party was to start at 10PM. It didn't matter too much because apparently the truck bringing the sound system broke down, so that when we arrived at about ten, there was no sound system up and we waited outside for an hour. The crowd kept building in that time and I guess it was a good thing the party was ligitimate (I think the cops knew about it), for the crowd got pretty big by the time they started letting people in. There was a VERY heavy shake-down at the door. (I was told my sealed Odwalla shouldn't be let in, but as long as I threw away the container he'd let me in with it.) They were very thorough in deed. Forked over our $15 and entered through an open bar area and made a left into a fairly sizable dance floor area. Maybe a 25' X 25' hard wood dance floor surrounded by a carpeted chill area, DJ was in front of us and there was a large area for the DJs and there posses to chill in behind the speakers. Good sound and since everyone had been waiting outside there was an immediate rush to the floor to shake out all that built-up frustration. BIOJeff spun a great set of hard grooves and it was a great feeling to be able to jump right into it. He was undaunted by the fact that there was no sound system when he arrived and that showed in his set; very seamless, tight mixing from the start. Upstairs was a sizable chill area that over looked the dance floor; tables and chairs. Restoration was still being done on the place, but it looked nice and was clean. I guess the doors to the women's bathroom didn't close and that was mildly upsetting for the women. Oh, the "club" from the outside was labled as a Middle Eastern Restaurant, but it had more of a club feel than a restaurant feel. It was just off Army Street, east of the 101 by a couple blocks. Forgot the name, and here we had been staring at the neon signs for an hour. So much for my long short-term memory, huh. Simon followed BIOJeff and kept the place moving. Donald Gluade followed Simon and spun a wicked, groovy set. The music wasn't exactly hard techno, but it was pretty fast. The crowd was at first a little tight, but thing loosened up after a while. Lights were good, Michael Clay's visuals were as good as always. Two screens. Lasers. Sound system held-up no problem. Two sets of speakers in front, two in back. None upstairs. Beers were $4 a piece! Lots of dancing throughout the night. Lots of carpeted chill area throughout. Security was present but very mellow. All was going smoothly until about 5:30, or so. From what we could see, it appeared that the owner came in and asked for the party to end. Lights went on in the bar area and everyone sort of knew it was ending prematurely. We heard the party was to go until 8, but it got stopped at 6 (maybe because of the late start). One DJ didn't get a chance to spin (Markie) and it ended without ceremony. Not even an encore song that I really thought was needed for closure. You know, abrupt ending of the music is so sad and makes you feel that you didn't have a chance come down from the rafters. The promoters suggested that maybe we go to the End Up, but instead we found ourselves floating in a hot bath. As I said, it was a good party. Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 11:46:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25537; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:46:14 -0800 Received: from viola.rs.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA25525; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:46:05 -0800 Received: from lucentio.rs.com by viola.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01265; Mon, 12 Feb 96 11:46:37 PST Received: by rs.com (Sun-4.1) id AA01265; Mon, 12 Feb 96 11:46:37 PST Received: by lucentio.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14630; Mon, 12 Feb 96 10:53:00 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 10:53:00 PST From: george@rs.com (George Feil) Message-Id: <9602121853.AA14630@lucentio.rs.com> To: SFRAVES@hyperreal.com Subject: Vision review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It looks as though Martin took the advice of those of us who posted reviews of The Gathering last December. Vision had all the required elements of a successful rave. The same warehouse near the Oakland Colliseum that was used for The Gathering was used again. I unfortunately arrived too late to take advantage of the discount, but we dropped off our cans of food in the bin, anyway. [I really like this trend of social awareness that Martin is putting into his events.] The security line at around 11:00 was nonexistent, and the guards searching us went about their business quite casually and politely. I was quite pleased and surprised to find *LASERS* in the main room. They provided quite a cosmic effect, especially when mixed with the smoke machines. The strategic placement of mirrors and disco balls enhanced the effect. It was soooooo cool to raise my arms, and have the laser light reflect off of them. The vibe blasted off around midnight, with techo giving way to house in the wee hours. The chill space (much larger this time than at The Gathering) was carpeted, with a few mats around, and Walt Disney videos playing on the TV screen. Large 1.5 l bottles of H2O were on sale, which was really great for reducing the massive pileup of those 1.2 l teasers. Plenty of fresh fruit was provided around 4-5am in the chill space. The only sfrave'er I ran into was Marty (great to see you again!). I look forward to meeting many more of you at the next weekend massive. George From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 12:00:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23758; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:28:12 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23748; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:28:02 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:27:37 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:27:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: the Vision lineup Cc: David Kilimnik Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 9:16 AM 2/12/96, David Kilimnik wrote: >Hey there- > Can someone tell me what the sequence of dj's was at Vision? I >was there, but in and out of the main floor conciousness. Trent Tony Ethan Markie Blake Baxter Spun Josh ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 12:09:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28454; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:09:15 -0800 Received: from worm.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28415; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:09:09 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA16360; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:09:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:09:06 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602122009.MAA16360@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: new moon Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello ravers, we are gathering on the 17th for the new moon in Aquarius. It's an indoor location in the East Bay. Opening Shamanic ritual at 10 pm. Hope to see bright smiling happy raver faces! Peace and love. michelle "When you know that you are not seperate, when that idea of yourself has shattered, you will experience a new kind of peacefulness." Light of Conssciousness From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 12:24:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01353; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:24:36 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01325; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:24:28 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02928 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:23:34 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA19201 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:23:09 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15614 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:36:47 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:40:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Vision Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was very glad to return a personal item to a guy I met at The Gathering. I knew that if I brought it to parties, I would eventually get it back to him. Worked on the first try! - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 12:53:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA05708; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:53:07 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA05699; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:53:02 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14424(14)>; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:52:25 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <18857>; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:52:15 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA824158390; Mon, 12 Feb 96 12:52:49 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:52:49 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9601128241.AA824158390@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Vanilla Fudge Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Stopped by Vanilla Fudge on Friday while hanging out with the very Purple Tiger. Vanilla Fudge is at Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley in SF. While it has a very tiny space for dancing (in the basement), it's definitely a _crowded_ sweet spot to hang, listen to music, and have a drink with some friends. The thing I like about it is it's a regular Saturday night gig that ends at 2am so people go there to socialize more than to dance hard all night and go off. It's got a fine (mmmm-hmmmm) mix of folks w/alot of people who've been around the scene for a while. Someone thought it was more Euro but I didn't necessarily feel that way. I'd say it was similiar to the crowd at Goldie's if any of you've gone to that club last year. And if any of you were there Saturday night, we were the glowstick purple freaks dancing by the back stairs. Diana-bob gives it a thumbs up if you're looking for something very crowded, musically pleasing, and social to do. If I lived in SF I'd be there alot more often. Cheers! Diane From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 13:08:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07180; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:08:33 -0800 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07171; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:08:27 -0800 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA05602; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:07:18 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:07:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199602122107.NAA05602@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: looking For Jonas of F-8 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jonas, I am trying to get your stores phone number. Also, do you still have copies of Playtapus records Volume II on vinayl? I really want to get a hold of those Union Jack tracks. Me and my friend Zak will be coming down from Sacramento next Monday the 19th. If you don't have any now could you get some by than? We will definetly be coming up and want to hook up on some vinayl. Thanks a bunch! chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 13:08:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07218; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:08:57 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07208; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:08:48 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA02998 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:24:25 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA19262 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:23:23 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12914 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:28:27 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:32:04 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Vision Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This was my first Vision, and my first party of the year! The last one I was at was The Gathering, and it was great to already know the location. I didn't know who was spinning at any given time, but there was plenty of danceable music, just enough lighting to see all the happy faces, and wonderful visual imagery all around. The second room was quite empty, so I stayed in the main room all night. I was overwhelmed with all the love and friendliness that people were sharing! These three angel-girls invited me over to say hi and dance, and they were all warm and loving. I don't recall their names, but they really made my night. One of them gave me a clip with a heart on it; very touching! One of them, the slim brunette, asked me to take my hair down from my customary ponytail, and I was so happy to oblige, since wearing my hair down represents the real me. They all encouraged me to let my hair flow, and the slim brunette said that long hair looks good on a guy. They asked my age and couldn't believe that I am 30. They said I seemed more like 20-25, which made me feel even better. The slim brunette asked me for my address & phone number, and best times to call. I hope she calls, as I'm always interested in making new friends and keeping the connections outside of parties. I went to the party by myself, and found many of "The Crew," my main party friends, so I felt more at ease. Another gal I met (again, can't recall the name) kissed me on the cheek, and I told her that that was my first kiss of the year (true), so she kissed me gently on the lips! So much love...so many friendly people...to everyone who was there, especially those I talked to, I love you all and thank you. People liked the red heart necklace I wore, and I told them that it was my Valentine to everyone there. I went outside at one point to get some air with the angel-girls, and a guy came over to us and told us that he and his friends loved us! We went over to meet and talk with them, and it was joyous. After the party, some of us went to Denny's for breakfast (bad call, although a nice way to relax). Veronica was absolutely stunningly beautiful, and her smiles shone brightly. We don't know each other, but we hugged as we were leaving Denny's. All in all, one of the better parties I've been to! Thanks again, and peace! - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 13:09:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07319; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:09:43 -0800 Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06920; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:05:01 -0800 Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA18346; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 15:58:50 -0500 Date: 12 Feb 96 15:52:15 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: My Vision of Vision Message-ID: <960212205214_71165.755_GHL109-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I had a great time at this party - and I'm not exactly sure why - but to everyone who appreciated my pink and white flowered hat, thank you! Got there early, - 11:30ish- and the vibe was happening already - great lights and sound system - and though I didn't really hit my stride with the music until Markie, I got dancing right away - The Detroit dj was great (his beats reached right in and made me dance) and then Spun's set was absolutely perfect (Jason, I didn't see you afterward to tell you how much I liked it!) -- I spent most of these sets dancing up by the turntables, what artistry -- Who was the last dj of the night? He did a great job easing us back into reality - I too thought it odd that people just plopped themselves and their stuff down in the middle of the dance floor - but the room was so big, maybe sitting all the way against the wall seemed way to far away? Some big carpets would have been nice too around the edges - the floor was pretty gross, but I didn't want to trek over to the real chill space and miss the music. And I must say it wasn't the friendliest crowd I've ever seen and I didn't see a lot of familiar faces, maybe the darkness in the main room made the difference, but there were some great dancers with great energy there, and I was thoroughly happy to be there all night long! The free=flowing water station was much appreciated and the profusion of port-o-potties was great too! plus the fresh air from opening up the back doors really keeps the air clean and cool. Thanks! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 13:37:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28897; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:10:57 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28650; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:10:21 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.30] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:10:16 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:10:16 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Re: What was the Vision Line Up? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 9:16 AM 2/12/96, David Kilimnik wrote: >Hey there- > Can someone tell me what the sequence of dj's was at Vision? Trent Tony Ethan Markie Blake Baxter Spun Josh take it easy ethan -----------------------------( ethan miller )----------------------------- -------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------- ------( the good of the many always outweighs the good of the few )------- ----( -spock )---- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 13:37:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01745; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:27:39 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01733; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:27:32 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA03228 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:27:27 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA19192 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:23:07 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14647 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:34:16 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:37:53 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Vision Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Now, if I can just get my jaw to stop tightening on me... :-) - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 14:13:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA14474; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:13:46 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14417; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:12:52 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA01506; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:10:56 -0800 From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Message-Id: <199602122210.OAA01506@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: MAD lineup & Info To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:10:56 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 933 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Due to the amazing difference it made last week, we've decided to have JK bring in sound regularly to MAD. To balance out the cost of this, we're going to be charging $2 before 11pm now instead of $1. The cost after 11pm will remain $3. Let us know if you feel it's worth it... (we think so) Tonight's lineup: Jon Santos, Solar, Ethan (Tony was originally scheduled tonight, but had to go down to LA to work on his next record) 10pm-2am, 18+ w/ID, @ Bahia Cabana 1600 Market @ Franklin. Hope to see you all there! Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:______________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 16:24:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA29587; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:24:26 -0800 Received: from elaine49.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29571; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:24:21 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine49.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id QAA26444; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:24:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:24:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: autechre tour.... ??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been hearing vicious rumors that Autechre and Space Time Continuum will be touring the U.S. in March... Can anyone substantiate these spifflings? hoowee, I'd like to see them live. thx, jon "2 for $2? Let's get a 4fer and split it!" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 16:56:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03182; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:56:35 -0800 Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03163; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:56:27 -0800 Received: by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA00317; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:55:42 -0500 Date: 12 Feb 96 19:47:08 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Seattle this weekend? Message-ID: <960213004708_71165.755_GHL132-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I sent this msg hours ago, and never saw it -- so better redundant than lost forever! so.... Anybody got the word on parties going on this weekend in Seattle? I'm going up Thursday night, coming back Monday - and though I have lots of friends up there who'll know what's happening, I want to make sure I build the good stuff into my plans! All information appreciated! Gracias. Leslie : ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 17:20:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA05864; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:20:25 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA05851; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:20:18 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:19:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:19:44 -0800 To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com>, "sfraves@hyperreal.com" From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: Seattle this weekend? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 4:47 PM 2/12/96, Leslie Ayres wrote: >I sent this msg hours ago, and never saw it -- so better redundant than lost >forever! > >so.... > >Anybody got the word on parties going on this weekend in Seattle? I'm going up >Thursday night, coming back Monday - and though I have lots of friends up there >who'll know what's happening, I want to make sure I build the good stuff >into my >plans! > >All information appreciated! Gracias. > >Leslie : ) FROM NW-RAVES -wayne ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 03:13:33 -0800 (PST) From: Skye Poier Subject: NRG - Northwest Rave Guide [Feb 8, 1996] To: NW Groove Crew MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-nw-raves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I know I said I'd be at One Love come hell or high water... ...Drive safe everyone! See you there (hopefully) ============================================================================= --------------------- Northwest Rave Guide (NRG) ---------------------- ============================================================================= This guide is needs the support of you, the listmembers... If you have a flyer for a party that isn't on the list, know any information that is missing or has been changed, new weeklies, anything you can contribute - please send it on in! (Party) information wants to be free :) Thanks everyone! Your NRGizer, Skye Poier (sea) - Seattle (van) - Vancouver (eug) - Eugene (pdx) - Portland (spk) - Spokane (vct) - Victoria (edm) - Edmonton (nan) - Nanaimo (cgy) - Calgary (msl) - Missoula (ndk) - N Dakota (slc) - Salt Lake City ============================================================================= ------------------- Upcoming Parties and One-Offs --------------------- ============================================================================= Sat, Feb 10 One Love 2 Year Anniversary (pdx) 503.699.6000 - CORE/Looped/Hype/Groovin/Spun/etc/etc DJs: Doc Martin, Thomas (Wicked), Adam, Brad Vachal, Aquaman, Mike Stevens, Garret, Darkhorse (SF), ATOI $13 in advance (at Platinum anyway) Sat, Feb 10 Emotion (van) 604.444.8030 - VIBE Productions DJs: Jacqueline Christie, Donald Glaude, Quest, plus a couple more new djs that I seem to have misplaced Sat, Feb 10 Dancing Dolphins (sea) 206.916.0412 + 206.309.4592 - Unity Live: X-Caliber DJs: Simply Jeff, Chadwick, DJ Ted, Brian Lyons, Donald Glaude, Fnominon, Quest(sea), Rein, Vision, Freakstyl, Hebegebe, Roman, Eddie Munson Special guest: DJ Rectangle (LA) on 4x Sat, Feb 17 Club Queer Night at La Luna (pdx) DJs: Oyan, Barry Weaver. 21 and over. After-hours (around 1:30-2:00AM) with Dazy (all ages). Sat, Feb 17 Exotic Rythms (ash) 541.484.7089 Sat, Feb 17 Midnite Express (vic) XTC + Eeek + Intense.com DJs: Team Lounge, Pascal, BC, Soma, guests 12am-8am Sun, Feb 18 1/2 of Masters at Work :) (sea) 206.547.7329 + 604.878.7201 - Kit Kat + Funky Laurie D DJs: Jerry Pheonix, Tyler Stadius (T-Bone), Marques Wyatt, and 'Little' Louie Vega on 3x, Donald Glaude, Quest Fri, Feb 23 Come Alive (eug) 541.302.7478 - Universal Event DJs: Andromeda, Additive, Dillon, Joel, Sky, Sol $4 at the door Fri, Feb 23 The "sorry no name yet" party (van) XTC + Eeek + Intense.com DJs: Jesse, Pascal, Dan, Donald, Slim 10pm-8am Sat, Feb 24 HABIT One Year Anniversary (sea) 206.667.8444 - HABIT DJs: Onion, DJ Dan & Donald on 4 turntables, Hebegebe, guests Mon, Feb 26 Chick-Rock-A-Rama II at Queer Night at La Luna (pdx) Lesbo rockers Sara Shortt, Third Sex, Vegas Beat, The Lookers, DJ Kitty Diggins. After-hours with Dazy (around midnight). Sat, Mar 2 I Magi Nation (sea) 206.860.5219 - ATOI DJs: Michael, Kue, Kairo, Dervish Sat, Mar 2 Amimania (sea) 206.269.0827 - Xotica info TBA Sat, Mar 2 ?? sketchy info (sea) (Matt Mau and ppl that run Universe) DJs: Spun, Rick Preston, Matt Mau, Captain KY(maybe?), etc Sat, Mar 9 Soul Doubt (pdx) 503.282.2003 - Funky Feel DJs: Dillon, Harp, Ryan Dolen, Sean Paul, Peter Lenox Presale $10 at Vinyl Junkies 333 SW Park #305, $12 door Sat, Mar 23 I Magi Nation Celebration of Spring Equinox (sea) 206.860.5219 - ATOI DJs: to be announced Sat, Mar 23 Soul Synergy (sea) ?? - Ladybug Fri, Apr x Insight - four fridays in April (eug) 541.341.3869 - Hype Productions DJs: Barry Weaver, Andromeda, guests Wed, Apr 4 Full Moon Gathering (sea) 206.860.5219 - ATOI 6pm-12am Sat, Apr 6 Green X and Ham 2 (sea) 206.322.3512 + 206.860.1972 + 206.269.0827 - Cat in the Hat DJs: Steve Delorio, Dan, Barry Weaver, Donald, Roman, Captain KY, Tripper, Blade, Doc (?) Sat, Apr 13 I Magi Nation (sea) DJs: to be announced Sat, Apr 13 the party with no name that I'm aware of (sea) Dubtribe, guests, $10 more info TBA Sat, Apr 20 ?? teaser (sea) ?? - Equinox Productions Fri, May 3 Full Moon Gathering (sea) 206.860.5219 - ATOI Sat, May 25 Pleasurwerks '96 (sea) 206.269.0827 - Xotica "memorial day massive" Sat, Jun 1 Full Moon Gathering (sea) 206.860.5219 - ATOI ============================================================================= ------------------------- Clubs and Weeklies -------------------------- ============================================================================= ___________ M o n d a y (van) ?? - Red Lounge DJs: Vitamin E and guests $3, House and Trance (pdx) Queer Night - La Luna (all ages) DJs: 2/5: Mike Stevens (opening: Greg Baddor) 2/12: Barry Weaver (opening: Drue) 2/19: Sean-Paul (opening: Ryan Bolen) 2/26: After Chick-Rock-A-Rama II, Dazy around midnight. $3, 9pm, House and Progressive _____________ T u e s d a y (sea) Spank - Moe, 925 E Pike (21+) DJs: Brian Lyons (Quest & Rein also?) free entry before 11 (discontinued?) _________________ W e d n e s d a y (van) Ginger Snaps - MaRS, 604.252.4494 Live: Transistor Rhythm DJs: Soma, guests free before 10pm, Hard House, Trance Melange - Purple Onion, Gastown DJs: T-Bone (Tyler Stadius), Quest Starting February 21 (pdx) Club Classics - 126 SW 2nd & Pine (18+) House of Funk - 932 SW 3rd & Salmon (21+) House/Tribal - 833 SW Front (18+) 10-3 (sea) Strong - Crocodile Cafe, 206.918.4988 (21+) DJs: Brian Lyons, Donald Glaude often jungle in the small room (cgy) 733-10th ave S.W. DJs: Danny Diamond Hard Trance _______________ T h u r s d a y (van) Strictly Business - The Hungry Eye, 23 W.Cordova DJs: Luke, Andy B, Wundertwins $5, Drum'n'Bass in room 1, Deep House in room 2 SOL - Graceland, 1250 Richards DJs: Markem, guests $3, free with a pass, Progressive Acid Jazz at the Picadilly Pub, Seymour & Pender DJs: ?? $3, starts around 9:00pm Acid Babies - (ex)Romper Room, 455 W. Hastings DJs: Barry Weaver, Vitamin E, Rico, Noah, James Brown ElectroLush Lounge - Denman Station, 860 Denman St. DJs: Martini Klovansky, Mick Sheakoff "Camp video classics and Cocktail Music" (pdx) Music Mayhem - 126 SW 2nd & Pine (18+) Velvet Lounge - NW 21st & Irving Acid Jazz & Martini Night UpFrontFX - 823 Front (18+) 10pm - 3am (sea) Desire - Victor's, Western & Maroin (21+) DJs: various NW DJs 9pm-2am, deep house, sometime jungle ___________ F r i d a y (van) Outer Bass - Melriches Coffee House, 1244 Davie St. DJs: Ambiente, Cid, guests No cover, 9pm-12am, electronic deep space chill http://www.outerbass.com/ Sugar - Graceland, 1250 Richards DJs: Jan 26th, Dickey Doo and Quest (pdx) The Garden - 506 W. Burnside, 503.291.9470 10pm-6am 80's Classics - 833 SW Front (18+) Dance Classics 126 SW 2nd & Pine (18+) Hi-NRG - 932 SW 3rd & Salmon (21+) (sea) Habitat - HABIT, 206.667.8444 (all ages?) DJs: Quest, Rein, great guests $10, superb house and other westcoast sounds The Jungle - 165 S Washington (18+) House, Funk, Techno Fundamental - Catwalk, 2nd & Washington, 206.622.1863 (21+) Frydaze - Paradox, 311 Puyallup Ave E/Tacoma, 206.627.6101 DJs: call for lineup Ravey type night (edm) Silver Ciruit Dance Factory - 101st@Jasper $4, 12-dawn (cgy) Hard Trance - Warehouse Danny Diamond _______________ S a t u r d a y (pdx) 80's Dance - 932 SW 3rd & Salmon (21+) House/Techno - 126 SW 2nd & Pine (18+) UpFrontF/X - 823 SW Front (18+) 10pm-4am (sea) The Goodz - Art Bar, 1516 Second Ave DJs: Hebegebe The Jungle - 165 S Washington (18+) House, Funk, Techno, Ladies Night, R&B Love Saturdays - Weathered Wall, 1921 5th ave, 206.728.9427 (21+) $6, free before 10pm, Trip Hop, House use alley enterance Brasilia - 212 Alaskan Way S, (206)621-7903 (21+) _____________ S p u n d a y (vic) Zero G - Java 535 Johnson St. DJs: Chris, Northwind Ambient, Dub, Ambient Jungle, wee bit of Trance (sea) Mesh - Moe's Mo-Rockin Cafe, Pike & 10th (21+) DJs: Riz, Eddie House, Trance, Jungle Medicine - ReBar, 1114 Howell, 206.918.4988 (21+) DJs: Jan 28th Masa (1200 Records), Brian Lyons (Strong) Feb ???? $4, "pure house" Soul - Seattle Downunder - may be discontinued UNVERIFIED DJs: Matt Mau, Captain KY & guests 10pm-4am, House (pdx) SauceBox - 503.699.6000 (21+) DJs: Feb 4: Barry Weaver, Tony Largo (LA) Feb 11: Barry Weaver, Doc Martin (LA) Disco - 932 SW 3rd & Salmon (21+) ============================================================================= -------------------- Info Lines and Vinyl Stores ---------------------- ============================================================================= (van) VIBE 604.444.8030 Hype Productions 604.978.1169 Odyssey Imports Seymour and Pender 604.669.6644 Bassix 217 W.Hastings 604.689.7734 (sea) ATOI 206.860.5219 Cat in the Hat 206.860.1972 Hype Productions 206.230.7910 Uncut Productions 206.230.4408 Unity 206.916.0412 + 206.309.4592 HABIT 206.667.8444 Xotica 206.269.0827 I-Spy 206.745.1417 Peace Frog/Raveoli 206.236.0589 Everfresh 206.807.3527 Strong/Medicine 206.918.4988 Orpheum Records Broadway and Harvard 206.322.6370 Exotique Imports 2400 3rd (& Bell?) 206.448.3452 Nomad Records 2809 NE 55th 206.524.3355 - Fax and Bookings For Ohm Productions 206.527.6626 Platinum Records ??? 206.324.8032 (pdx) Hype Productions 503.699.6000 Apollo InfoLine 503.299.LOVE Platinum Records 115 SW Ash. 97204 503.222.9166 Fax 503.222.9355 (eug) Hype Productions 541.341.3869 (cgy) The House Of Unity 403.259.8097 The Sub-Link 403.259.STAR -- ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 17:54:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08839; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:54:02 -0800 Received: from jessica.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08827; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:53:57 -0800 Received: from [36.52.0.26] (Ed-McGuigan.Stanford.EDU [36.52.0.26]) by jessica.Stanford.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA21518; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:53:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:53:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: edm@jessica.Stanford.EDU (Ed McGuigan) Subject: re: GHB (dosage warning) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This may be inappropriate for sfraves, but I wanted to follow up on a recent message here (below) on GHB with another warning/clarification on Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate (GHB) dosages. The posting seems like a good summary, but as noted, dosage is tricky and I was concerned about the mention of one tablespoon as a starting dose. I used GHB when it was available in health food stores (1990-91). It was sold mostly as a powder (sodium form?) about the texture of laundry detergent. The effective dosage (with variation by individual) for powdered GHB is more like one TEASPOON, (NOT tablespoon!). Greymarket GHB evidently is often sold in liquid form, either reconstituted from powder or from suppliers that are not equipped to dry to powder. I would guess that the liquid doses would be more variable from source to source (I don't know any) and require more than a teaspoon, but I would not start at a tablespoon without personal experience from the same batch at a lower dose. May take more with e or acid or stimulants, but measure and time doses (not less than an hour between) carefully or you may end up passed out (and most likely just wake up ok some time later, but perhaps in emergency room where you were sent by concerned friends). forwarded message from Sat, 10 Feb 1996: > >GHB (gammahydrobutylate) is an amino acid, a precursor to a protein. It >metabolizes fat for you quickly and prevents it from being absorbed by your >body. Body builders use it to tone up and lose fat right before contests. GHB >can be incredibly interesting. It can make you feel incredibly warm (in a good >way), slightly disoriented, and kind of liquidy. Similar to e without the warm >fuzzies (it doesn't make you want to talk all night to the person standing next >to you in line for example) In combination with e it is verrrrry nice; it >feels like it increases the peace within you. HOWEVER, PLEASE NOTE THAT WITH >GHB, LESS IS MORE . . . MORE THAN ONE DOSE (one tablespoon) WILL MAKE YOU PASS >OUT AND THROW UP! YOU WILL BE SO DISORIENTED THAT YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO WALK >ETC. Do not mix this with any alcohol! The line between a good time with GHB >and a really bad time is VERY fine. Make sure you stick to the tablespoon >rule, even if you are a larger person and smaller people should take smaller >dosages. You can always take a little more, but you can't go back and take >less! ------------------------ Ed McGuigan 415-725-1176 edm@jessica.stanford.edu From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 18:51:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA15719; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:51:34 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA15713; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:51:32 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA26828; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:51:20 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602130251.SAA26828@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: autechre tour.... ??? To: gonzo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Mark Logan) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan Mark Logan" at Feb 12, 96 04:24:12 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jonathan Mark Logan: > > >I've been hearing vicious rumors that Autechre and Space Time Continuum >will be touring the U.S. in March... >Can anyone substantiate these spifflings? Public Space is throwing a party in LA on March 13 (or so, I don't have a flyer handy). This party features Space Time Continuim and Autechre -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 19:05:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA17302; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:05:34 -0800 Received: from python.magnet.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA17288; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:05:27 -0800 Received: from g34-210.citenet.net by python.magnet.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06857; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:05:32 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:09:52 -0500 To: Robert Smith From: ecto@python.magnet.ca (ecto) Subject: Re: autechre tour.... ??? Cc: gonzo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Mark Logan), sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 6:51 PM 2/12/96, Robert Smith wrote: >BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jonathan Mark Logan: >> >> >>I've been hearing vicious rumors that Autechre and Space Time Continuum >>will be touring the U.S. in March... >>Can anyone substantiate these spifflings? > > >Public Space is throwing a party in LA on March 13 (or so, I don't >have a flyer handy). This party features Space Time Continuim and >Autechre > > > >-- >fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a > person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts > matters or disputes by negotiation Also, there are dates set for Baltimore and Toronto in mid and late march. Unfortunately they're nowhere near Montreal :( Both are excellent PA's though, definitely reccomended :) brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 19:32:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA19315; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:32:41 -0800 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA19232; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:32:18 -0800 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0tmBTS-0002zoC; Mon, 12 Feb 96 19:32 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:32:14 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Hardie To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: nw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: I'M BAAAAAACK!!!! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ys, the Mailing List Rave Goddess has returned from the dreaded OFFLINE!!!!! I got my own computer, which has NO graphics, but at least I can communicate again. :) My apologies to all who have been mailing me for NW badges over the past 4 months - I wsn't ignoring you - but when you have 600-odd pieces of mail you have to be choosy!!!! and having been away from you all for so long - i must say - YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST AND I MISSED YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!! triumphantly KAREN! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 20:02:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA23161; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:02:18 -0800 Received: from ecf2.puc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA23151; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:02:13 -0800 Received: (from amdice@localhost) by ecf2.puc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA07875; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:01:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:01:58 -0800 (PST) From: Man With No Name To: sfravers Subject: spundae >21 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To think I will be 21 two weeks too late to see Jam & Spoon. AARRGGGGHH. I would love to go to this if any of you could think of a way to get me in. I can give someone a ride/pay admission/whatever. Also, looking forward to Organic/Teknotika this weekend (haven't decided which yet) and Techno Temple in two weeks. Have a great week everyone!!! Austin Tinsau S.F. Born and Raved! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 20:06:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA23461; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:06:57 -0800 Received: from pogo.scs.unr.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA23450; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:06:54 -0800 Received: (from alex_c@localhost) by pogo.scs.unr.edu (8.7.3/8.7.1) id UAA15645; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:09:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:09:26 -0800 (PST) From: Alexandra Crocket To: SteveOSac@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Update: The SFR Tahoe Cabin Trip!! In-Reply-To: <960209205125_140370093@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello! I live in Reno, so if you need any help let me know. As for the raving aspect, the people who live in this area are really anxious to go to a decent party, and as far as I know, we have all of the required equipment. There are plenty of legal spaces and plenty of people who would love to go. We're just lacking in the music department. So, if people volunteer to spin, let me know and I'll hook you up with the right people here. Let's see if we can make something happen! :) Imagine. A sfrave in Tahoe. I'm grinning just thinking about it. lv, Alex viva | Alexandra Crocket | "Reality is anything plur | alex_c@scs.unr.edu | you can get away with" On Fri, 9 Feb 1996 SteveOSac@aol.com wrote: > Right on, I'm just diggin into this one, full on. Thanks for all your > responses. I'm syncrhonizing schedules right now, so let me know if there's > any weekend or day that you would prefer it to happen, or not prefer. Just > resend a very brief bit spit containg dates prefered or not, any equipment or > goods or services you might be able to contribute off hand, and your name, or > your go-by. I'll redistribute this list when compiled. Also there's still > room, so let your friends know. Thanks, > Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 23:22:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA09710; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:22:10 -0800 Received: from kzsu.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA09705; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:22:07 -0800 Received: (from dougm@localhost) by kzsu.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.6.9) id XAA02157; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Miller Message-Id: <199602130722.XAA02157@kzsu.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Re: Humor (Not Rave Related) (fwd) To: kirstenc@uclink.berkeley.edu (KaySEE) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:22:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "KaySEE" at Feb 8, 96 03:32:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Our you can find it at: http://www-kzsu.stanford.edu/~dougm/Humor/ChickenCrossRoad.html > > I'm sorry to everyone who couldn't read this. I don't know unix well at > all. Therefore, I don't know how to > get my attachment to show up in my message NOT as an attachment. I tried > to figure it out all day, but it obviously didn't work. The joke was the > "Why did the Chicken cross the road." Then it goes on to give replies > that famous ppl and celebs might give. I'm sure it's been seen before, > but it is pretty funny. Sorry to take up bandwith with my silly babble!! > > --KC > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 13:13:19 -0800 (PST) > From:SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com > To: kirstenc@uclink.Berkeley.EDU > Subject: Re: Humor (Not Rave Related) > > hey! howzabout one in uuencoded format for us > unix peeples! > > Dave Scruton > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Feb 12 23:36:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA10850; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:36:24 -0800 Received: from CyberGate.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA10845; Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:36:21 -0800 From: morton@CyberGate.COM Received: by CyberGate.COM (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Cybergate Information Services) id HAA04821; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 07:38:32 GMT Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:38:32 -0800 (PST) To: George Feil cc: SFRAVES@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Vision review In-Reply-To: <9602121853.AA14630@lucentio.rs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, George Feil wrote: > > The only sfrave'er I ran into was Marty (great to see you again!). I > look forward to meeting many more of you at the next weekend massive. George, Looks like I missed saying bye! I checked the space where we all were in the chill room...empty. I ended up leaving about 7:30. It was great to see everyone...especially you and Chris. He's so funny! I'll never forget that night at Sparky's!! Tell him hello for me..Jerry too. I'll definitely so you guys next time I'm in town. Hope things are great with Jaime...I really liked her. Marty From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 10:26:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15613; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:26:21 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15592; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:26:14 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA084875888; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:24:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: I'M BAAAAAACK!!!! To: Karen Hardie Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, nw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk YYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! I've missed you SO much, girlfriend! Welcome back, and I look forward to your witty and inspiring posts both to nw-raves and sfraves. :) love, Amy --------------- | _ ,/| | | '\`o O' | | =(_^_)= | Amy Starkey | |U| | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu | | | | --------------- On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Karen Hardie wrote: > ys, the Mailing List Rave Goddess has returned from the dreaded > OFFLINE!!!!! I got my own computer, which has NO graphics, but at least > I can communicate again. :) My apologies to all who have been mailing > me for NW badges over the past 4 months - I wsn't ignoring you - but when > you have 600-odd pieces of mail you have to be choosy!!!! > and having been away from you all for so long - i must say - YOU GUYS > ARE THE BEST AND I MISSED YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!! > > triumphantly > > > > KAREN! > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 11:31:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA22090; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:31:15 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA22055; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:31:09 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id LAA11452; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:31:04 -0800 X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:32:38 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: stolen goods @ Area 51- HELP!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk nathan_moser@manual3.com (Nathan Moser) wrote: >Does trust qualify as a belief system? Regardless, I like being able to >throw my jacket in a corner and pick it up in the same place at the end of >the night. I don't know if I'd extend this trust to an expensive camera, >and I'll admit that my well-worn jacket is probably not the biggest >temptation around. My old jacket has been left laying around somewhere or other at every rave I've been to and never touched--until someone stole it at Area 51. Got it back, tho. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 12:13:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA27911; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:13:37 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA27898; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:13:30 -0800 Received: from netcom.com by ultima.org; Tue, 13 Feb 96 12:01 PST X-Sender: joe@priscilla.ultima.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:13:53 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ambient@netcom.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: autechre tour.... ??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 6:51 PM 2/12/96, Robert Smith wrote: >BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jonathan Mark Logan: >> >> >>I've been hearing vicious rumors that Autechre and Space Time Continuum >>will be touring the U.S. in March... >>Can anyone substantiate these spifflings? > > >Public Space is throwing a party in LA on March 13 (or so, I don't >have a flyer handy). This party features Space Time Continuim and >Autechre > I'm sure they'll play here, considering the STC connection... Also on the bill, the amazing Mark Broom... Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 12:53:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04578; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:53:17 -0800 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA04573; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:53:12 -0800 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA04399; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:52:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:52:13 -0800 (PST) From: "S.A.C. " Subject: Re: Update: The SFR Tahoe Cabin Trip!! !(BSP)! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Some Quote From Someone > Hello! I live in Reno, well sorry but i have to do this... if anyone wants to get up to tahoe without driving, fly on the airline i work for... Sierra Expressway i think its $49 off peak hours and $59 during peak hours one way to south lake tahoe airport. phone number is 1800-96-fly-us erm yeah. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 13:53:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11230; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:53:56 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11225; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:53:51 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id NAA26957; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:53:46 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id NAA04416; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:53:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:53:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: What was the Vision Line Up? To: David Kilimnik cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk as far as i know, it went: trent, tony, baxter,markie, spun, and josh.On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, David Kilimnik wrote: > Hey there- > Can someone tell me what the sequence of dj's was at Vision? I > was there, but in and out of the main floor conciousness. > > Thanks, -dave. > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 14:01:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA12103; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:01:47 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA12098; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:01:43 -0800 Received: from sfasc200.slip.net (sfasc200.slip.net [206.14.14.200]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA02115 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:01:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:01:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199602132201.OAA02115@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Frequency 8) Subject: MOS EISLEY Tonight Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tuesday Feb.13 MOS EISLEY SPACEPORT Cyber-Trance/Techno with D.J.s John Howard MARS SURGE At CLUB BOOMERANG 1840 Haight St. @ Stanyan 21+ $3 10-2 #387-2996 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 14:20:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA14340; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:20:55 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14332; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:20:52 -0800 Received: from sfasc228.slip.net (sfasc228.slip.net [206.14.14.228]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03534 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:20:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:20:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199602132220.OAA03534@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Frequency 8) Subject: FREQUENCY 8(BSP) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Friday, March 1 FREQUENCY 8 Cyber-Trance Revelation with D.J.s MARS MYSTR-E +special guests ETHAN SOLAR Just a friendly reminder-200 tickets left Tickets available at F-8 (the record store) 1816 Haight St. @ Stanyan (415)221-4142 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 16:43:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA01518; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:43:25 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA01505; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:43:20 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.30] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:43:15 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:43:31 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Friends & Family Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Greetings Friends! As you may or may not know, we had tentatively scheduled our 2-year anniversary party for February 24th. Unfortunately, we have been unable to find a suitable space and are, therefore, postponing it until such time as one manifests. We are, however, going to do a free, daytime party outdoors in the east bay on either Saturday, February 24th, or Saturday, March 1st, weather permitting. We'll post details on this as soon as we have them. take it easy ethan -----------------------------( ethan miller )----------------------------- -------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------- ------( the good of the many always outweighs the good of the few )------- ----( -spock )---- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 19:29:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA19957; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:29:09 -0800 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA19894; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:29:02 -0800 Received: from pp000267 by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id VAA15119; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:38:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:38:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199602140238.VAA15119@smtp1.interramp.com> X-Sender: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Multiple recipients of list DCRAVES , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com (Paul Richard) Subject: Think About This! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The following was sent to me by my college alumni group. Thought that it might provoke some thought among my raver brothers and sisters. I really enjoyed Sting on Friday, and it seems that Mosaic was one phat partee! Cheers to all. Paul >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:51:36 -0800 >Reply-To: Brown Alumni Discussion List >Sender: Brown Alumni Discussion List >From: Roy Taylor >Subject: Think About This! >To: Multiple recipients of list BRUNONIA > >Begin forwarded message: > > A Summary of the World > > If we could, at this time, shrink the Earth's population to a village > > of precisely 100 people, with all existing human ratios remaining the > > same, it would look like this: > > There would be 57 Asians, 21 Europeans, 14 from the Western Hemisphere > > (North and South) and 8 Africans. > > 70 would be non-white; 30 white. > > 70 would be non-Christian; 30 Christian. > > 50% of the entire world wealth would be in the hands of only 6 people. > All 6 would be citizens of the United States. > > 70 would be unable to read. > > 50 would suffer from malnutrition. > > 80 would live in sub-standard housing. > > Only 1 would have a college education. > > When one considers our world from such an incredibly compressed > > perspective, the need for both tolerance and understanding becomes > > glaringly apparent. > > > >@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >~~~~~@ >@ Robert J. Norton @ >@ Strategic Program and E-Mail: rnorton@auspex.com @ >@ System Support Engineering Manager Telephone: 408 986-2000 @ >@ Auspex Systems, Inc. Direct Dial: 408 986-2270 @ >@ 5200 Great America Parkway Fax: 408 986-2020 @ >@ Santa Clara, CA 95054 USA (http://www.auspex.com) @ >@ @ >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >~~~~ > > > > >----------End of Original Message---------- > Paul Richard pp000267@interramp.com Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita mi ritrovai per una selva piu' bella, che la diretta via era scoperta. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 20:17:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA25246; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:17:22 -0800 Received: from ecf2.puc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA25240; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:17:17 -0800 Received: (from amdice@localhost) by ecf2.puc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06662; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:17:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:17:14 -0800 (PST) From: Man With No Name To: sfravers Subject: Valentines message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Austin Tinsau S.F. Born and Raved! ::::::: ::::: ::::: ::: ::::: ::: :::::::::::::: ::::: ::: ::::: ::: :::::::: :::::::: ::::: ::::: ::::: ::: ::: ::::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::::: ::: ::: ::::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: dP ::::o:: ::::: ::.:: ::: ::::::: ::::::: :::::::: d8' d88o. d"8 ::: :d"~ oo ::: Oo d8 .8P' ~_.o. o o8P _oo. ooo_o. ==88P== `" ooo_o. :_oo.o" oo 88 d8':::d8P"88P': dP dP _8 dP'"")8) dP : dP dP'"")8) dP _8 dPYb 8b._.d8" ::d8( .88::o8P8 _88P" dP': d8( o88b.:o8(. dP' d8(: _88P" dP `Yb `"88P"' :"Y888P'`Y8P::YoP""Y88P' ::"Y8P"' `Y88"`Y88P' "Y88P"""Y888P""Y8P ::::: ::::: ::::::: :::::::: ::: ::::: :::: ::::: ::: ::: ::::: ::: ::::: :::: ::::: :::: ::::: ::: ::::: ::::: ::::: ::::: :::::::: ::::: ::::::: ::::: ::: ::: ::::: :::::::::::::::: ::::::::: ::: ::::: :::::::::::::: ::::::: ::::: ::::::: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 20:42:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA26923; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:42:26 -0800 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA26876; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:42:21 -0800 From: Foustus@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA19523 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:41:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:41:44 -0500 Message-ID: <960213234143_221633281@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: To all who have loved.... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, it's been a while since I posted.... Just writing to wish all those whos loves are on this or other planes a touching V day.... May your hearts vibrations be recieved to whom thier sent... As fer me, since I have tomorrow off, its Mos Isley tonight. Tomorrow, off to the beach with a bottle of champaign in the back seat and a really special female in the passenger side... Melika, My 6 month old pet Chow. (It's her fist time to the beach...) Cya- all sometime! Spins, Adam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 22:06:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA03522; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:06:37 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA03514; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:06:33 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tmaMA-000D8jC; Tue, 13 Feb 96 22:06 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:06:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: BSP "something special" To: happy ravers cc: Mike Mortensen , Michal Migurski , Sabin Cloud Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey there everyone:) some friends of mine and i are working on putting a second party together for the 23 of march. djs will be joe rice, ethan, le le (w/ ghetto electro live), dan barnes, sean ee, and tom (not from raindance). cost will be $10. hope to see some of ya there! questions/ comments/ anything (?)- i can be reached at 408.275.1546 or email: djtom@svpal.org evolution of energy:) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 22:17:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA04360; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:17:55 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA04355; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:17:52 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tmaXH-000D8sC; Tue, 13 Feb 96 22:17 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: crysalis? To: happy people Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is crysalis this weekend on the 17th? -evolution- tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 13 23:22:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA08423; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:22:51 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA08416; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:22:48 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tmbY5-000D85C; Tue, 13 Feb 96 23:22 PST Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: forgot VM# Re: BSP "something special" To: happy ravers , Mike Mortensen , Michal Migurski , Sabin Cloud cc: mike In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok, i did it again. i forgot the voicemail number it is: *415.525.5o52* the number at the bottom is my home number. -sorry- -tom- On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Tom Leichardt wrote: > > hey there everyone:) > > some friends of mine and i are working on putting a second party together > for the 23 of march. djs will be joe rice, ethan, le le (w/ ghetto electro > live), dan barnes, sean ee, and tom (not from raindance). cost will be > $10. hope to see some of ya there! > > questions/ comments/ anything (?)- i can be reached at 408.275.1546 or > email: djtom@svpal.org > evolution of energy:) tom > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 00:19:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA15679; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 00:19:40 -0800 Received: from hp1.online.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA15673; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 00:19:35 -0800 From: IrieIrishGuy@eworld.com Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA23183 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 00:19:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 00:19:00 -0800 Message-ID: <960214001857_24939753@hp1.online.apple.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Harmony vs. Organic Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am looking forward to Harmony this weekend and wondered if anyone knows the admission price. I think I will be attending that party but I will definatly be at Spundae's 3 year anniversary. I am trying to decide which will be better since I can only go to 1 (Organic or Harmony). Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Kevin "Irie Irish Guy" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 01:50:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA24569; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:50:49 -0800 Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA24562; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:50:46 -0800 Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id EAA29053; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 04:50:06 -0500 Date: 13 Feb 96 15:40:00 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Seattle-bound, thanks! Message-ID: <960213203959_71165.755_GHL39-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to those who sent me Seattle info and forwarded their club list -- if anyone else is going to be there this weekend, let me know -- I'm planning to be at Victor's Thursday, the Show Box Friday, Brasilia Saturday, and DEFINITELY at MASTERS AT WORK on Sunday night!! Some of my friends are promoting the more club-oriented events, but if you'll be out, or have other tips, I'd love to know and hear about it! Keep SF rocking while I'm gone, please! (Isn't it ironic, some of my Seattle friends are coming down to SF this weekend) Thanks and ciao, Leslie : ) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 07:42:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA27334; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:42:22 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA27308; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:42:18 -0800 From: Wurzle@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA11655 for SFraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:41:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:41:46 -0500 Message-ID: <960214104144_143970439@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: SFraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Santa Cruz->Harmony Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Not sure if you guys remember, but right now I have a South African exchange student staying with me for a couple of weeks, and I am trying to show him a genuine SFRave. I've got tickets lined up, but no way to get to Harmony. Any of you in Santa Cruz or possibly in San Jose that have 2 empty spaces in your car would receive mounds of good karma for letting us fill them (not to mention some gas money). Any help at all is appreciated, even some good advice on how to work the bay area public transportation ;'). Thanks in advance, Wurz§ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 08:01:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA29342; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:01:41 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA29323; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:01:36 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA046803623; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:00:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: A Valentine's Hug To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ___ ___ ____( \ .-'/ \-. / )____ (____ \_____ / @ @ \ _____/ ____) (____ -----( ) )-----' ____) (____ _____________\ \____/ /_____________ ____) (______/ -.____.-' \______) Here is a BIG hug to each and every one of you special sfravers out there! Happy Valentine's Day, even if it is everyday! ;) love always, Amy S. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 08:43:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA03662; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:43:57 -0800 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA03634; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:43:48 -0800 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0tmkIu-00014DC; Wed, 14 Feb 96 08:43 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Hardie To: Amy R Starkey cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: A Valentine's Hug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk GROAN .... why did you have to remind me i'm alone AGAIN on the big VD!!! oh well, happy valentines to allllll the sfravers from cold Canada! BIG SMOOCHES k From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 09:41:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA09411; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:41:51 -0800 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA09369; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:41:43 -0800 Received: from nunki.usc.edu (tsheets@nunki.usc.edu [128.125.253.160]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id JAA15543; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by nunki.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id JAA14633; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:41:37 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199602141741.JAA14633@nunki.usc.edu> Subject: Re: CNN - Ecstacy To: gstrock@netcom.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:41:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, socal-raves@ucsd.edu In-Reply-To: from "greg strockbine" at Feb 14, 96 08:43:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Last night CNN had a 20 second blurb declaring Ecstacy causes brain, > heart, and liver damage. They cited doctors in the UK who examined those > 7 guys who died while on x. > > Here is the text of the story, from the CNN Web Page: http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/briefs/9602/02-14/index.html#4 There are also MDMA-related links on this story also: ---- LONDON (Reuter) -- Long-term use of Ecstasy, Europe's second most popular "recreational" drug after cannabis, can destroy the liver and damage the heart and brain, a study released Tuesday found. The effects were clearly seen in young men in their early 20s, indicating that the drug quickly causes widespread damage. Forensic pathologists at Sheffield University said autopsies of seven youngmen who had died after taking Ecstasy found "striking changes" in all their livers, including large areas of dead tissue. Their hearts were also damaged, as were the brains of three of them. Doctors say the drug has killed at least 60 people in Britain. ---- Hmmm, what do you medical types out there think about this? CNN gave absolutely no specific clinical infomation about what actually happened to these people. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tsheets@scf.usc.edu <- For a good time, e-mail tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www-scf.usc.edu/~tsheets <- A web page with cab-forward design From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 09:42:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA09523; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:42:58 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA09506; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:42:52 -0800 Received: from 198.53.172.43 by island.amtsgi.bc.ca with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tmlE4-0005VNC; Wed, 14 Feb 96 09:42 PST Message-ID: <3121AEFB.22E9@islandnet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:44:27 +0000 From: "Will E. Reburn" Reply-To: solo@islandnet.com Organization: .com communications corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karen Hardie CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: A Valentine's Hug References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Karen Hardie wrote: > > GROAN .... why did you have to remind me i'm alone AGAIN on the big VD!!! > > oh well, happy valentines to allllll the sfravers from cold Canada! > > BIG SMOOCHES > > k COLD CANADA!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding..although you are in Van..hehehe not much good there to begin with so... Hehe just kidding...well..here's a big VD hug from another Canadian (albeit a warm one..its a sssssmokin warm here today :) And to all you down south...*huuuuuuuuug* ("VD hug" ? that doesnt sound right...) -- ** .com online v2.02 is now up and fully Netscapified ** --> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html <-- (8 dj's/musicians/web-masters & mistress'/h@c/ To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Valentine's Wishes Message-ID: <960214170105_71165.755_GHL193-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Happy Valentine's Day everyone! For most of us, we experience the "Valentine's Day spirit" often when we dance and party together -- but not everyone is as fortunate as we are... there are lots of people in our world who don't feel loved and like they belong -- So my pledge for today is to remember the spirit of sharing love with everyone I meet today - I know there are a whole lot of us out there who don't have a specific "sweetie" to give us flowers, cards, smiles and Valentine's vibes -- but that doesn't mean we can't share a little "love" with the people we meet -- our friends, family and even (maybe especially) strangers. And for all of you amazing SFRavers, who are so different from each other, but with the common bond of music and the raving spirit -- have an awesome day! Love and hugs -- Leslie xxx : ) 000 P.S. That post about the summary of the world, if there were only 100 people there, was mind-blowing, was it not? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 10:39:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15983; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:39:12 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15958; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:39:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:39:03 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: IrieIrishGuy@eworld.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Harmony vs. Organic In-Reply-To: <960214001857_24939753@hp1.online.apple.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Feb 1996 IrieIrishGuy@eworld.com wrote: > I am looking forward to Harmony this weekend and wondered if anyone knows the > admission price. I think I will be attending that party but I will definatly > be at Spundae's 3 year anniversary. I am trying to decide which will be > better since I can only go to 1 (Organic or Harmony). Any suggestions will > be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > Kevin "Irie Irish Guy" Go to Technotika :) Andy >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:30:57 -0800 (PST) >From: Robert Smith >To: sf-raves@hyperreal.com >Subject: Technotika > > The surprise guests from Detroit are Roland & The Suburban Knight, > members of Underground Resistance. See you next weekend! > > > -- > fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a > person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that > adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 10:55:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18073; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:55:48 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18063; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:55:45 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA120684035; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:53:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Harmony vs. Organic To: IrieIrishGuy@eworld.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960214001857_24939753@hp1.online.apple.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I'll be attending Harmony. The dj lineup looks amazing, it's only $10, and Harmony parties have the reputation of having great vibes. Tickets are presale only, though, and I don't know the status on them. love, Amy --------------- | _ ,/| | | '\`o O' | | =(_^_)= | Amy Starkey | |U| | sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu | | | | --------------- On Wed, 14 Feb 1996 IrieIrishGuy@eworld.com wrote: > I am looking forward to Harmony this weekend and wondered if anyone knows the > admission price. I think I will be attending that party but I will definatly > be at Spundae's 3 year anniversary. I am trying to decide which will be > better since I can only go to 1 (Organic or Harmony). Any suggestions will > be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > Kevin "Irie Irish Guy" > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 11:02:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA18868; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:02:51 -0800 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA18862; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:02:48 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id LAA01557; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:01:56 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:01:55 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Subject: Cool Web site Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Scary as it is, Levis has not only a fucking cool web site, go to this area specifically and see their branch on DJing and dance music: http://www.levi.com:80/fly-zone/vol1/iss2/ No comment on content, that's up to the individual to like or dislike. Tone From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 11:13:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA19896; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:13:04 -0800 Received: from mail.thestranger.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19870; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:12:50 -0800 Received: from [199.238.224.10] by mail.thestranger.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b6); Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:10:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:10:19 -0700 To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com From: tigger@thestranger.com (Glenn) Subject: Online Library of Drug Policy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi folks, for those interested, there's an great web site with up-to-date info regarding reform of current drug laws and the drug war. It is still under construction but, definitely worth checking into. http://www.calyx.net/~schaffer <> ~G Here's the table of contents: DRCNet Online Library of Drug Policy Introduction to the Drug War Basic Facts About the War on Drugs. Major Studies of Drugs and Drug Policy Summaries Full-text of Studies Government Publications Related to Drug Policy General Accounting Office Publications related to Drug Policy Other Publications related to drug policy. Sentencing Project Reports Historical Research on drugs and drug policy. The Drug Legalization Debate - A collection of materials on the drug debate. Miscellaneous Statements on Drug Policy Charts and Graphs of Drug War Statistics DrugText Europe - Up-to-date information on events and policies in Europe. Additional Bibliographies on Drugs The DARE Program - multiple documents on DARE Information on Specific Drugs Alcohol Cocaine and related drugs Hemp (Marijuana) Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 Other Hemp/Marijuana Links of Interest General Hemp/Marijuana Information A Fiscal Analysis of Marijuana Decriminalization Medical Information Commercial and Industrial Uses of Hemp Historical Information Alan D. Bryan's Hemp Facts 1-100 Heroin and the opiates LSD and the psychedelics Tobacco Information for Drug Policy Reform Activists What is DRCNet? End the Drug War in 1996 - What you can do to help Something to Feel Good About - A few successes in the battle for justice ASAP - American Society for Action on Pain General and Entertainment Links to Other Sites on the Drug War Send us your comments From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 11:27:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA21528; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:27:22 -0800 Received: from mail.thestranger.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA21521; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:27:16 -0800 Received: from [199.238.224.10] by mail.thestranger.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b6); Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:25:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:25:19 -0700 To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com>, "sfraves@hyperreal.com" NWGroovers From: tigger@thestranger.com (Glenn) Subject: Re: Seattle-bound, thanks! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:40 PM 2/13/96, Leslie Ayres wrote: >Thanks to those who sent me Seattle info and forwarded their club list -- if >anyone else is going to be there this weekend, let me know -- I'm planning >to be >at Victor's Thursday, the Show Box Friday, Brasilia Saturday, and DEFINITELY at >MASTERS AT WORK on Sunday night!! > >Some of my friends are promoting the more club-oriented events, but if >you'll be >out, or have other tips, I'd love to know and hear about it! >Keep SF rocking while I'm gone, please! (Isn't it ironic, some of my Seattle >friends are coming down to SF this weekend) > >Thanks and ciao, Leslie : ) Hi Leslie, If you're interested in checking out a family style groover fest you should also check out TRANSCEND on Saturday, Feb 17. The info line is (206) 608 2769 The line up includes ATOI dj's Michael Manahan and Eddie along with Renegade Bass dj's Kevin, Chip, Beck and Josh Stanton. Admission is $6 before 10pm and $8 after. Hope to see ya this weekend! Tigger ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Life is not a plate but a bowl to be filled... ~Mahatma Gandhi ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 11:28:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA21640; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:28:55 -0800 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA21631; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:28:51 -0800 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA17601; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:27:40 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Message-Id: <199602141927.LAA17601@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Cool Web site To: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:27:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Tony Rotundo" at Feb 14, 96 11:01:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 484 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wasn't the new Levi's site done by Organic...? Tone, do you know that Organic's webmaster is our very own Brian B? Several sfravers work there... so I'm not suprised.. "We are everywhere" ;) > > Scary as it is, Levis has not only a fucking cool web site, go to this area > specifically and see their branch on DJing and dance music: > > http://www.levi.com:80/fly-zone/vol1/iss2/ > > No comment on content, that's up to the individual to like or dislike. > > Tone > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 11:37:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA22599; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:37:02 -0800 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA22580; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:36:51 -0800 Received: from nunki.usc.edu (tsheets@nunki.usc.edu [128.125.253.160]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id LAA10296 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by nunki.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id LAA21194 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:36:47 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199602141936.LAA21194@nunki.usc.edu> Subject: Cool party in LA- info... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:36:46 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I promise this party will be worth the trip to LA... I'm going: http://www.earthlink.net/~sarahtonen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tsheets@scf.usc.edu <- For a good time, e-mail tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www-scf.usc.edu/~tsheets <- A web page with cab-forward design From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 12:16:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA26952; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:16:18 -0800 Received: from shgc.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA26942; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:16:13 -0800 Received: from [171.65.76.81] by shgc.Stanford.EDU (8.6.10/inc-1.0) id UAA13185; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:16:06 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:16:06 GMT Message-Id: <199602142016.UAA13185@shgc.Stanford.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU (Mark Piercy) Subject: Levi's desparate attempt to gain market share. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Oh well, I guess since nodoby's buying Levis anymore (remember in the 80's Levis were THE SHIT-everyone had them) they're trying to appeal to "GenX" to gain some market share lost to all the companies that make baggy style jeans. This is just another corporate-kiss-of-death to this scene. As Miss Fabio Jones put it once- we are a market not a movement (to those in power and with the cash) Sorry to sound negative , this is after all just my opinion. Mark ____________________________________________________ ****************Sleep deprivation is a good high.***************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 12:22:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA27550; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:22:00 -0800 Received: from eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA27496; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:21:50 -0800 Received: from sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by eagle.lmsc.lockheed.com (8.6.11/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id MAA21526; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:21:01 -0800 Received: from ifs7.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com by sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20552; Wed, 14 Feb 96 12:21:14 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 12:21:14 PST From: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Message-Id: <9602142021.AA20552@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Levi's Cool Web Site Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk When I was in London over Xmas, Levis was running the MOST flipped out advert on TV that I've ever seen! It had this totally wacked little rave ditty running (Spaceman! Spaceman!) over the visuals - which were of some space babe returning home to her super 50's retro-futurismo cyberban neighborhood after borrowing the keys to Dad's space ship. The song "Spaceman" by Babylon Zoo went to #1 in the UK the week it was released...... For some reason, Levis is NOT going to show the ad in the US! :-( jim thompson - cube root fact axon info grid data fate ::: ..::. ....: ::::.:::::: . ....::... :: .:..::::: ....:::.....::.:::::::::.. .. :..::::: .:.:..:.. ..: ...::::..:. . ...:: : .... :........:.: ..... ::... .::::::: ...:::: ... :..... ..::... :::..:::....:: .:......::.. :::::.:: ::..... LISTEN until you UNDERSTAND! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 12:38:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00137; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:38:38 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA00128; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:38:32 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA18689 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:38:24 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA17808 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:38:14 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA23435 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:38:10 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:41:52 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: Levi's desparate attempt to gain market share. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know, man...I've always bought Levi's, and I won't change till they stop making straight-leg 501s. At least the bell-bottoms are all but gone! - E >Oh well, I guess since nodoby's buying Levis anymore (remember in the 80's >Levis were THE SHIT-everyone had them) they're trying to appeal to "GenX" >to gain some market share lost to all the companies that make baggy style >jeans. This is just another corporate-kiss-of-death to this scene. As >Miss Fabio Jones put it once- we are a market not a movement (to those in >power and with the cash) Sorry to sound negative , this is after all just >my opinion. > >Mark > > > >____________________________________________________ >****************Sleep deprivation is a good high.***************** >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 12:40:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA26973; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:16:23 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA26941; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:16:13 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp406.liberty.com [206.17.67.70]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA03594 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:15:53 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960214201631.006a3db4@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:16:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Change Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND: First, Happy V-Day to all; ya know birth is hard, life can be painful, and death is just plain mean; make sure you get yourselfs some love in between. Ok, regarding change......something I'm told be can be asured of in our world. Well, I'm no exception, for the Brian DarknEs^2 will be no more shortly. This change is necessary for a number of reasons, one of them being technological advancement, and a number of personal reasons. Every 4 - 5 years I upgrade my entire system, well. it's that time again, with the added addition of going ISDN, my own site with dedicated IP(very cheap shell accounts available soon, as well as speed & processing power for hire) different OS; possibly even multithread. What this means to you, you will not see my handle Brian DarknEs^2 anymore, as well as my e-mail address because everything will be different, however I will still be a member of this list just under another disclosed to some, undisclosed to many address & site. However, I will be infrequently checking my liberty account if you miss getting in touch with me. I've been a very vocal presence on this list for about a year and a half, and I will miss corresponding with most of you. I would like to envite anyone who feels they have unfinished bussiness with me to do it now before I go off in about 10 days or so. Peace & Love always, and despite my occasion & yet very human incidences of disharmony with myself reflected onto others. Farewell......... <<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>> The new system will look like this so far: Tyan Tempest PCI/EISA/ISA Dual P-166 512k pipeline cache, AMIWIN BIOS with 32megs of RAM to start. A cohabitated hard drive subsystem consisting of 2 gigs of SCSI 2 Wide Fast Drives controlled by an Adaptec AHA-2940UW PCI Ultra Wide SCSI 3 controller & 1gig of ESDI drives controlled by an Ultrastor 22CA EISA controller with 16megs of cache. NEC 6xi SCSI internal CD-ROM, Motorola Bit Surfer Pro ISDN Modem, Motorola Lifestsytle 28.8 fax modem & a 17" monitor, either NEC or significant other. Can you say speed. With regard to the following items I'm looking for advice: Video/Graphics: I want to be able to do hardware M & JPEG, for Full Screen/Motion Video playback. I've also been looking at True Vision stuff for awhile, very expensive though, but I would get multi video in, as well as mixing capability. Picks so far. #9 Imagenation 128bit PCI 2 - 4 meg VRAM True Vision 16 Sound: SB AWE-32 Full edition, addition welcome. how's Turtle Beach & is it supported Darkness Out.................................................................... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 13:07:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA05123; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:07:58 -0800 Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05118; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:07:54 -0800 Received: from by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA26892; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:07:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:07:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199602142107.NAA26892@ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Packa-Bowl To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! Just wonderin who's gonna show up to Packa-Bowl, I figure I should go & check it out. Hope to see some of you sfravers there! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 13:37:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07972; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:37:50 -0800 Received: from upsmot02.msn.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07957; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:37:46 -0800 Received: by upsmot02.msn.com id AA04108; Wed, 14 Feb 96 13:24:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 20:48:40 UT From: "Jason Kester" Message-Id: To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: New to list and area soon... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, I may not be subbed yet when you get this message, but my name is Jason and I'm currently on the NW-Raves list and will be coming to the Bay area soon. I was wondering if someone could send me a list of all of the record stores in the area, SF, Berkeley, etc. I'll probably be spending about a month there and if I can get settled, maybe longer. I have heard nothing but good things about the parties in SF and have never had anything but wonderful visits. Thanks, Jason From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 14:07:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA10599; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:07:14 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA10586; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:07:07 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA23059 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:06:58 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA25276 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:06:48 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22008 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:06:45 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:10:29 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Harmony/No banana bread Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At Harmony's second anniversary, I brought homemade banana bread to share, and thought that I would bring it to all future Harmony parties. Well, I wasn't on the ball this time, and don't have bananas rotting in my kitchen like I should. Instead, I'll bring lots of love. Hope that's OK!:) Maybe next time... Rock 'n' rave! - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 14:11:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09632; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:56:14 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09627; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:56:11 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA24077; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:55:53 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602142155.NAA24077@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Re: Levi's Cool Web Site To: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:55:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9602142021.AA20552@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> from "Jim S. Thompson" at Feb 14, 96 12:21:14 pm URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jim S. Thompson: > > > When I was in London over Xmas, Levis was running the > MOST flipped out advert on TV that I've ever seen! > It had this totally wacked little rave ditty running > (Spaceman! Spaceman!) over the visuals - which were > of some space babe returning home to her super 50's > retro-futurismo cyberban neighborhood after borrowing > the keys to Dad's space ship. The song "Spaceman" > by Babylon Zoo went to #1 in the UK the week it was > released...... > > For some reason, Levis is NOT going to show the ad > in the US! :-( Not to fly the corporate flag, but this ad campaign can be found at http://www.levi.com/inner-seam/eu/vol1/iss2/ -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 14:11:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA08394; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:41:59 -0800 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA08384; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:41:55 -0800 Received: from nunki.usc.edu (tsheets@nunki.usc.edu [128.125.253.160]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id NAA07836; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by nunki.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id NAA02746; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199602142141.NAA02746@nunki.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Levi's Cool Web Site To: jimt@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jim S. Thompson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:41:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9602142021.AA20552@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> from "Jim S. Thompson" at Feb 14, 96 12:21:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > When I was in London over Xmas, Levis was running the > MOST flipped out advert on TV that I've ever seen! > It had this totally wacked little rave ditty running > (Spaceman! Spaceman!) over the visuals - which were > of some space babe returning home to her super 50's > retro-futurismo cyberban neighborhood after borrowing > the keys to Dad's space ship. The song "Spaceman" > by Babylon Zoo went to #1 in the UK the week it was > released...... > > For some reason, Levis is NOT going to show the ad > in the US! :-( As far as I know, Levi's is the only company to have a television ad featuring an squirty, acidic tb303 line. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tsheets@scf.usc.edu <- For a good time, e-mail tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www-scf.usc.edu/~tsheets <- A web page with cab-forward design From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 15:07:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA16859; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:07:46 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA16852; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:07:43 -0800 From: Demigod180@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00752 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:07:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:07:09 -0500 Message-ID: <960214180707_144371138@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: A very fun rave in L.A.!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Another rave you guys dont want to miss in L.A. happens saturday Feb 24th. Special Guest from Queens/Brooklyn N.Y.----Joey Beltram!! Technostate-213-891-4030 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 15:47:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20740; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:47:09 -0800 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20732; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:47:04 -0800 From: Czefir@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA15549 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:46:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:46:41 -0500 Message-ID: <960214184640_222308447@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Underworld Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is to the 3 people who responded to my question about Born Slippy. Thank you for the info, sorry I don't remember who you were but since AOL has reactivated the Delete key I have been delete happy and lost all my letters. So I got dubnobasswithmyheadman and it's really spiffy, I can't stop listening to it. I' m gonna have to look harder for the Born Slippy single I guess. Czefir p.s. there is an article on underworld in the new Details, kinda short but slightly informative. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 15:52:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21311; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:52:21 -0800 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21302; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:52:17 -0800 Received: from nunki.usc.edu (tsheets@nunki.usc.edu [128.125.253.160]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id PAA06533; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by nunki.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id PAA15952; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:52:13 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199602142352.PAA15952@nunki.usc.edu> Subject: Re: A very fun rave in L.A.!!! To: Demigod180@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:52:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960214180707_144371138@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Demigod180@aol.com" at Feb 14, 96 06:07:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Another rave you guys dont want to miss in L.A. happens saturday Feb 24th. > Special Guest from Queens/Brooklyn N.Y.----Joey Beltram!! > Technostate-213-891-4030 Yeah, it may be fun... but correct me if I am wrong... haven't the last 1 or 2 technostates been busted? I would make sure that this one is in a secure location before treking down south. Oh, if you have been reading socal-raves, you will see that big parties have been having a big problem with busts as of late... -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tsheets@scf.usc.edu <- For a good time, e-mail tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www-scf.usc.edu/~tsheets <- A web page with cab-forward design From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 15:59:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22336; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:59:04 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22330; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:59:01 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.226] (u2w57.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.226]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA31205 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:58:55 -0800 X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:58:58 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Subject: happy valentine's day everyone! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everybody. I made valentine's cards again this year, but since I can't hand deliver them to all of you (as much as I'd like to I haven't even MET most of you yet!) you'll just have to check in to this URL: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/vday.html enjoy! I spent today handing alot of these out along with chocolate lips. :) -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 16:36:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA26767; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:36:57 -0800 Received: from parcplace.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26756; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:36:54 -0800 Received: from [192.159.3.151] (2heads.parcplace.com [192.159.3.151]) by parcplace.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20573 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:33:48 -0800 X-Sender: snomura@central Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:41:06 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: snomura@parcplace.com (Sean Nomura) Subject: Valentines Day :) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A Valentines Wish....... | || --\ \|| --\ \|| --\ \|| --\ \| --\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ MMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMXXXXXXXXXXMMMMMMM MMMMMMMXXXXXXXXXXMMMMMMM MMMMMMXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXMMMMMM MMMMMMXXXXXX:::::XXXXXXMMMMMM MMMMMXXXXXXXX::::::::XXXXXXMMMM MMMMXXXXXX:::::::::::XXXXXMMMMM MMMMXXXXXXX:::::::::::::::XXXXMMM MMMXXXX::::::::::::::::::XXXXMMMM MMMMXXXXXX::::::::::::::::::::XXXMMMXXX:::::::::::.....:::::::XXXMMMM MMMXXXXX::::::::::::::::::::::::XXXXX:::::::::...........::::::XXXMMM MMMXXXXX:::::::::::.......:::::::::X::::::::...... ......::::XXXXMMM MMMXXXX:::::::::..............:::::::::::....... ....::::XXXMMM MMMXXXX::::::::..................:::::....... ...::::XXXMMM MMMXXXX:::::::.....................:............ ....::::XXXMMM MMMXXXX:::::::.................................... ....::::XXXMMM MMMXXXX:::::::...................................... .....::::XXXMMM MMMXXXXX::::::....................................... ......::::XXXXMMM MMMMXXXX:::::::.............................................::::XXXMMMM MMMXXXX::::::::............................................::::XXXMMM MMMMXXXX::::::::..........................................::::XXXMMMM MMMXXXX::::::::::.......................................:::::XXXMMM MMMMXXXX:::::::::::...................................::::::XXXMMMM MMMXXXXX::::::::::::..............................::::::::XXXXMMM MMMMXXXXX:::::::::::::.........................::::::::::XXXXMMMM MMMMXXXXX:::::::::::::::...................::::::::::::XXXXMMMM MMMMXXXXX:::::::::::::::::.............::::::::::::::XXXXMMMM MMMMXXXXXX::::::::::::::::::.......::::::::::::::XXXXXXMMMM MMMMXXXXXXXX::::::::::::::::...::::::::::::::XXXXXXXXMMMM MMMMXXXXXXXXX::::::::::::::::::::::\::::XXXXXXXXXMMMM MMMMMXXXXXXXXXX:::::::::::::::::\ \XXXXXXXXXMMMMM MMMMMMXXXXXXXXXXX:::::::::XXXX\ \XXXXMMMMMM MMMMMMXXXXXXXXXXX:XXXXXXXXX\ \MMMMM MMMMMMXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXMMM\ \ MMMMMMXXXXXXXMMMMMM \ \ MMMMMXMMMMM \ \ MMMMM \ \ \ MMM \ \ \ \\ M \\\\\\\\ \\\\\\ \\\\ \\ Keep your body filled with energy your mouth filled with smiles your eyes filled with sparkles your life filled with laughter ...and you heart filled with love. Peace. -S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 16:43:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27421; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:43:08 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27413; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:43:04 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA18416; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:42:59 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07351; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:42:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:42:52 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: Michal Migurski cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: happy valentine's day everyone! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk kewl ;) bren On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Michal Migurski wrote: > Hi everybody. > > I made valentine's cards again this year, but since I can't hand deliver > them to all of you (as much as I'd like to I haven't even MET most of you > yet!) you'll just have to check in to this URL: > > http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/vday.html > > enjoy! > > I spent today handing alot of these out along with chocolate lips. :) > > -m. > > > 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 > | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | > | for that whole body thirst situation | > | | > | (- My Portfolio! -) | > | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | > | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| > | -> but patience always helps. <- | > | | > 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 > > Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti Teleport Internet Services Shakti Internet Consulting Technical Support Staff shakti@teleport.com bb@teleport.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 16:51:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA28126; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:51:13 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA28103; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:51:08 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id QAA23903; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:50:58 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id QAA07742; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:50:58 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:50:57 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: ride to SF on fri To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk im looking for a ride to s.f. on friday for Harmony...of course im willing to pay for gas and such... dimitri 427-9553 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 17:53:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA03713; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:53:53 -0800 Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA03704; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:53:49 -0800 Received: from by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA22001; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:53:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:53:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199602150153.RAA22001@ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Wednesday night weeklies To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all I'm gonna be cruisin over to the F-8 store tonight to grab my harmony ticket, was thinking about checking out one of the wednesday weeklies while I'm in town. However, have no idea what might be a good one to waste my time on! Any suggestions from anybody? Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 18:10:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05531; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:10:10 -0800 Received: from xinet.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05501; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:10:03 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by xinet.COM via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for id SAA12657; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:09:11 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:09:11 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tony@xinet.COM (Tony Rotundo) Subject: Trying to find Greg or Joey from Harmony Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Could you guys, or someone send me there email address! Thanks! Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 18:19:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA06370; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:19:10 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA06312; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA20628 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:18:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:18:30 -0500 Message-ID: <960214211829_322504234@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Mega UPDATE: SFR Cabin Trip!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okey dokey folks, This may be your last chance to sign up as being interested in the unofficial SFRAVES TAHOE CABIN -CHILLING, SKIING, BOARDING, HOT TUBBING, SHARING, SPINNING, TRIPPING - TRIP (-:you may do one, some, or none of the above items:-). I've got quite a few responses, and we haven't picked the cabin yet, we will DO OUR BEST to accomodate all peoples, but please let me know if you're thinking about it, so I can FINALIZE the DATE by friday. I'm doing my best to get a weekend when everyone can go, and it looks hopeful so far. Please note this is going to involve SOME $$$, not much($10-25), but I may need a post dated check in advance. I'll make all updates to SFRaves, but It would be best if you can GIVE ME YOUR PH# though. Also, I forgot whose idea this was in the first place? Robert's? I want to make sure you can go! Plus I need help! So once again, IF INTERESTED, send a BRIEF email, with your NAME, the NUMBER of people, anything you would BRING, your PH#, and any dates you CANNOT make it. Reminder to people who already sent: please let me know if you're BRINGING A FRIEND or two. Alrighty then, things are lookin verry nice! Will talk to yall soon! :):):):):) Love & Life, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 18:20:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA06523; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:20:42 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA06514; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:20:39 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA23274; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:03:37 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:03:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199602142303.PAA23274@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU (Mark Piercy) From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Levi's desparate attempt to gain market share. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Oh well, I guess since nodoby's buying Levis anymore (remember in the 80's >Levis were THE SHIT-everyone had them) they're trying to appeal to "GenX" >to gain some market share lost to all the companies that make baggy style >jeans. This is just another corporate-kiss-of-death to this scene. As >Miss Fabio Jones put it once- we are a market not a movement (to those in >power and with the cash) > Sorry to sound negative , this is after all just >my opinion. Boy, is it ever. I have several pairs of Levis, 501s and 505s. Sorry bud, but Levis are like tuxedos -- fads come and go, but what looks good lives forever. Levis are about the only jean you can wear into the corporate world and look presentable -- it's called "business casual". I have yet to see a set of baggies in my office, but 501s and 505s are every day wear, whether paired up with a t-shirt or a button down with a stylin tie. That's not to say I'd wear them to a rave, but then the clothes most people wear out are dictated by fashion. Of course, this is just my opinion.... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 18:27:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA07637; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:27:01 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07620; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:26:55 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA08792 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:26:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:26:23 -0500 Message-ID: <960214212622_322513011@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: My Poem-Warning: Cheez Factor 9! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Diamonds They're forever, loves Well, that's what I've been told By a lonely man on the radio But he hasn't got me souled See, forever, that's real long in deed And diamonds are surely not But nor is chocolate or money or greed And all these silly toys we've got I think i'll choose a wiser investment To get more on my return! And I'll be sure to share with all The riches that I've earned So when shopping for your special love Don't forget it's actual worth And remember that forever Goes far beyond this earth My valentine goes to that radio man On this day of love And all who think diamonds and chocolates Are what this day is of Steveo 2/14/96 Hello, Hallmark? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 20:17:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA19709; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:17:25 -0800 Received: from vanbc.wimsey.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA19692; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:17:18 -0800 Received: by vanbc.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.29.1 #32) id m0tmv84-0005tQC; Wed, 14 Feb 96 20:17 PST Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:17:12 -0800 (PST) From: Karen Hardie To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: CNN - Ecstacy (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yes, please anyone with medical knowledge etc. put out some more info if you have any ... i'm really interested! k ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:41:36 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets To: gstrock@netcom.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, socal-raves@ucsd.edu Subject: Re: CNN - Ecstacy > > Last night CNN had a 20 second blurb declaring Ecstacy causes brain, > heart, and liver damage. They cited doctors in the UK who examined those > 7 guys who died while on x. > > Here is the text of the story, from the CNN Web Page: http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/briefs/9602/02-14/index.html#4 There are also MDMA-related links on this story also: ---- LONDON (Reuter) -- Long-term use of Ecstasy, Europe's second most popular "recreational" drug after cannabis, can destroy the liver and damage the heart and brain, a study released Tuesday found. The effects were clearly seen in young men in their early 20s, indicating that the drug quickly causes widespread damage. Forensic pathologists at Sheffield University said autopsies of seven youngmen who had died after taking Ecstasy found "striking changes" in all their livers, including large areas of dead tissue. Their hearts were also damaged, as were the brains of three of them. Doctors say the drug has killed at least 60 people in Britain. ---- Hmmm, what do you medical types out there think about this? CNN gave absolutely no specific clinical infomation about what actually happened to these people. -troy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tsheets@scf.usc.edu <- For a good time, e-mail tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www-scf.usc.edu/~tsheets <- A web page with cab-forward design From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 20:52:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA22010; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:52:40 -0800 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA22003; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:52:35 -0800 Received: by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA23919; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:47:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:47:29 -0800 From: ephedra@netcom.com (ephedrina) Message-Id: <199602150447.UAA23919@netcom19.netcom.com> To: eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: CNN - Ecstacy (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Here is the text of the story, from the CNN Web Page: > http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/briefs/9602/02-14/index.html#4 > There are also MDMA-related links on this story also: > ---- > > Hmmm, what do you medical types out there think about this? CNN gave > absolutely no specific clinical infomation about what actually happened to > these people. > > -troy I always take clinical studies with a grain of salt. There's no way to have truly conclusive proof of causation when there are so many variables. Although I think the press is a little overanxious to prove that MDMA is dangerous and deadly, it's imprtant to remember it's not exactly healthy either... I'd go through the whole article and point out what's wrong with the study, but hyperreal's resident drug expert seems to have beat me to it.. :) (the following is pretty long.. sorry about that) kia ------- > >From: Lamont Granquist Subject: New Article on MDMA Risks This is my commentary on the latest bit of over- and mis-reported medical info on MDMA... Sorry it's not all that readable, but I really only have time to type this stuff in once... >From: lamontg@u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) >Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.psychedelic,rec.drugs.misc,rec.drugs.psychedeli c,sci.med >Subject: Re: New data on MDMA risks >Date: 15 Feb 1996 01:43:17 GMT peter@petermc.demon.co.uk (Peter McDermott) writes: >Researchers found that all the dead men's livers showed >"dramatic changes" with dead tissue seen in all cases. consistant with heatstroke in 6 of the cases: ``The pathology of heatstroke has been reported in a number of papers. In the liver the most striking change is centrilobular necrosis. Sinusoidal congestion and dilatation, and portal and sinusoidal inflammation may be present. Fatty change has been reported occasionally. Cholestasis may be present, especially in fatal cases. Rubel and Ishak34 did not find liver necrosis as frequently as other authors. They examined the liver in 50 military recruits who had died of heatstroke. These men were predominantly white. Kew et a131 had found liver necrosis a common finding in black South African gold miners. The difference in frequency may be related to the fact that the gold miners work in very high environmental temperatures with over 90% humidity, con-ditions not dissimilar to some raves and discos.'' and in the other case with jaundice it was consistant with an ideosyncratic reaction to MDMA: ``In the seventh case death was caused by fulminant liver failure and although hyperpyrexia may have been present at some time. In the seventh case death was caused by fulminant liver failure and postmortem examination revealed massive hepatic necrosis. All investigations for the cause of liver failure were negative. The young man admitted to regular and heavy ecstasy use, and this case is similar to cases described by Henry et al.7 There is increasing evidence that "ecstasy" is hepatotoxic, and liver changes have been re-ported following biopsy. 10 55 ``These changes, however, differed from those found in the acute deaths described above. Whether the damage is caused by an idiosyncratic reaction to MDMA, or a contaminant of the drug is unclear. Therefore, there seems to be a second mechanism for liver injury from ring substituted amphetamines unrelated to hyperthermia. [...] Individual susceptibility to ring substituted amphetamines may be related to its metabolism in the liver. Abnormalities have been reported in demethylation in susceptible individuals, related to human debrisoquine hydroxylase (CYP2D6).38'' >Similar damage was found in the hearts of five of the men, >and swelling, bleeding and damaged nerves were evident >in the brains of three. Internal bleeding was found in >the lungs in two cases, and damage due to loss of blood >supply seen in the lungs of a third. ``The brain of one of the cases of rapid death showed disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC), oedema and degeneration of neurones, particularly apparent in the locus ceruleus. Two cases showed foci of haemorrhage (fig 4). One case showed severe cerebral oedema consistent with water intoxication and had additional occasional perivascular haemorrhages.'' This is acute brain damage as a result of a medical crisis (perhaps not MDMA-induced heatstroke in all cases) and not the result of 5-HT neurotoxicity. Similarly the internal bleeding in the lungs is another symptom of an acute crisis. The only thing I don't know about is the myocardial damage. They state that it was consistant with catecholamine induced myocardial injury, but i don't know how severe of a risk this is. They also state that: ``[WRT heat stroke] In the myocardium contraction band necrosis and small foci of necrosis with a mixed inflammatory infiltrate are seen. These features are also evident in catecholamine induced injury. In the brain ring haemorrhages and hypoxic changes have been described. The kidneys may show acute tubular necrosis and pulmonary haemorrhage is common.'' >Apparently, the changes were the same as those present in >cases of deaths from heatstroke, but only two of the seven >had suffered a sharp rise in body temperature, with readings >between 39.5C and 44C. This doesn't really say anything new about MDMA risk-assessment, though. It just means that in the cases of deaths due to MDMA, we may not know exactly what is going on and it may not be as simple as "MDMA-induced heat stroke." Interesting from the point of view of finding out what is going on when people die from MDMA, but not that interesting otherwise... (Oh, I guess interesting if someone still believed that it took heat + dehydration to produce MDMA DIC+Co., but you convinced me that MDMA could do this in the presence of precautions against overheating and dehydration some time ago...) >The forensic pathologist who conducted the study, Dr. Chris >Milroy, is quoted as saying "the short term risks of ecstasy >use are becoming increasingly more apparent, and questions >must be asked about the long-term effects on the brain, liver >and heart, considering the pathology in those who die." The heart, yes that kinda concerns me, and I need to do more research to figure out exactly what the heck they're talking about. I don't think that they've got a whole lot of evidence for any long-term effects on the brain and liver, though. Some silly-ass net-based "news" service in the UK has published a report claiming that based on this article the kid who is drifting in and out of a coma may have brain damage. Really idiotic to base "possible" brain damage on these findings when I'm certain the kid's doctors have run a CAT scan on him (or something similar) and would know if he was having brain hemmorages or not. ------------------------------ Here's the text of the _JCP_ paper in question. I don't have the tables, pictures, or references and the thing may not be formatted correctly since it was in pretty bad shape when I got ahold of it. Reproduced without the permission of _JCP_, but I *have* given you all notice that you shouldn't necessarily trust this to be an accurate reproduction, and I think there's enough sections of this paper missing, that no one is going to pass up the real article in _JCP_ just for this. (I certainly can't imagine any medical libraries cancelling thier subscription to _JCP_ thinking they can now just get it over the Internet...). So, go out and subscribe to _JCP_ right now, or go to your medical library and write them a note about how you either would really appriciate them carrying it or do really appreciate them carrying it... And don't reproduce this article without attatching these three paragraphs, so that _JCP_ doesn't get a bad name if I fucked something up... Journal of Clinical Pathology 1996; 49:149-153 Pathology of deaths associated with "ecstasy" and "eve" misuse C M Milroy, J C Clark, A R W Forrest Abstract Aims- To study the postmortem pathology associated with ring substituted amphetamine (amphetamine derivatives) misuse. Methods- The postmortem findings in deaths associated with the ring substituted amphetamines 3,4-methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA, ecstasy) and 3,4-methylenedioxyethylamphetamine (MDEA, eve) were studied in seven young white men aged between 20 and 2 5 years. Results- Striking changes were identified in the liver, which varied from foci of individual cell necrosis to centrilobular necrosis. In one case there was massive hepatic necrosis. Changes consistent with catecholamine induced myocardial damage were seen in five cases. In the brain perivascular haemorrhagic and hypoxic changes were identified in four cases. Overall, the changes in four cases were the same as those reported in heat stroke, although only two cases had a documented history of hyperthermia. Of these four cases, all had changes in their liver, three had changes in their brains, and three in their heart. Of the other three cases, one man died of fulminant liver failure, one of water intoxication and one probably from a cardiac arrhythmia associated with myocardial fibrosis. Conclusions- These data suggest that there is more than one mechanism of damage in ring substituted amphetamine misuse, injury being caused by hyperthermia in some cases, but with ring substituted amphetamines also possibly having a toxic effect on the liver and other organs in the absence of hyperthermia. (J Clin Pathol 1996,49(2):149-153) Keywords: eve, ecstasy, postmortem pathology. Recreational use of 3,4-methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA), more commonly known as "ecstasy" (and a variety of other names including "XTC", ~ or "E"), is now well established. In Britain upwards of 500 000 people are said to use the drug each week (Harris Poll (1992) for "Reportage", BBC2, 22 Jan 1993). MDMA is a ring substituted amphetamine with psychoactive properties. First synthesised in 1914 from methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA), itself a drug of misuse (known as the "love drug"), it has been used in psychotherapy and was originally used as an appetite suppressant. The drug has ceased to be used medicinally and is now an established part of the illegal drug scene. It is banned in most countries. In the UK it is a class A drug as defined in Schedule 2 of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. It has no medicinal use in the UK and cannot be prescribed. As well as MDA and MDMA, another variant, methylenedioxyethylamphetamine (MDEA, known as "eve"), which is similarly proscribed, is commonly encountered. All have similar pharmacological effects. In the UK, MDMA is often taken by young people at discos and rave parties. Both involve dancing, but especially at the latter there is vigorous repetitive dancing in crowded rooms with a hot and humid atmosphere. The dangers of this activity are recognised to a certain extent as rooms to "chill out" are often available for people to rest in after periods of exertion. Toxic effects and the occasional death following ring substituted amphetamine misuse have been reported but postmortem data are lacking. 1-26 In this paper we report on deaths associated with ring substituted amphetamine misuse and detail the postmortem findings. Methods Seven deaths have been investigated by the University of Sheffield Department of Forensic Pathology in the past three years, which were associated with ring substituted amphetamine misuse. One case has been reported previously.26 Case details are presented in table 1. All of the subjects were white men, between 20 and 25 years of age. Three of the victims collapsed at a rave or disco, two were found in bed, one in a collapsed state and one dead, one collapsed in the street, and one was admitted to hospital with progressive jaundice. Only two of the men had documented hyperthermia, with temperatures of 440C and 39~50C. One of the deaths was thought to have been caused by water intoxication, the victim having drunk an estimated 14 litres of water in trying to quench the thirst that is frequently associated with ingestion of ring substituted amphetamines. None of the men were known intravenous drug abusers. Full drug screening was performed on body fluids, including a screen for drugs of abuse. Screening by gas chromatography/mass spectroscopy was also performed. Results PATHOLOGY The pathologlcal and toxlcological data are summarised in table 1. Liver The liver showed dramatic changes. Necrosis was seen in all cases. In one case there was centrilobular and midzonal necrosis (fig 1). This patient survived for four days. In the other cases focal necrosis in zone 3 was present, with an acute inflammatory response surrounding necrotic hepatocytes (fig 2). Fatty change, sinusoidal dilatation and inflammation were also identified. No other hepatic pathology was identified in these cases. Postmortem virology was not done in these cases. In case 7 there was massive hepatic necrosis, with the liver only weighing 795 g at necropsy. Full viral screening was negative in this case. The livers were of normal size in the other cases. Heart Changes were seen in five of the seven hearts examined. Histologically, the changes ranged from contraction band necrosis to individual myocyte necrosis with a surrounding neutrophil and macrophage inflammatory response; the same changes as have been described in catecholamine induced myocardial injury (fig 3). In one case foci of fibrosis were identified in the heart of a man in whom traces of MDMA and MDA were found in the urine. Brain The brain of one of the cases of rapid death showed disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC), oedema and degeneration of neurones, particularly apparent in the locus ceruleus. Two cases showed foci of haemorrhage (fig 4). One case showed severe cerebral oedema consistent with water intoxication and had additional occasional perivascular haemorrhages. Other organs Pulmonary infarction was seen in case 5. In two of the other rapid deaths intra-alveolar haemorrhage was present. In one case there was inhalation of gastric contents. In the patient who died of water intoxication there was complete necrosis of the pituitary gland. Severe cerebral oedema was present and the pituitary necrosis was probably a direct consequence of this as the blood supply was compromised. In two cases the kidneys were examined for myoglobin, which was not detected. No skeletal muscle damage was identified. TOXICOLOGY The toxicological data are shown in table 1. MDMA was found in five cases, varying from trace concentrations to 4~2 mg/l. MDEA was found in two cases, at concentrations of 3.5 and 0~187 mg/l. Amphetamines were detected in three cases at concentrations of 0~256, 0~453 and 1~4 mg/l. MDA was found in three cases, varying from trace concentrations to 8~5 mg/l. MDA is a metabolite of MDMA and MDEA, but may also be found as a constituent of "ecstasy" tablets, along with other pharmacological substances including amphetamines (vide infra). No opiates or other drugs associated with intravenous drug abuse were detected. Discussion Ring substituted amphetamines (amphetamine derivatives) are taken because they give a feeling of euphoria and benevolence and heighten the sensations at raves and discos. However, when 29 volunteers took MDMA, as well as pleasant symptoms, all complained of undesirable effects which included loss of appetite, trismus and bruxism, nausea, muscle aches, stiffness, and ataxia.27 Sweating, tachycardia and hypertension, insomnia, and fatigue were also reported. More serious complications reported include hyperthermia, convulsions, other cardiac arrhythmias, rhabdomyolysis, disseminated intravascular coagulation, renal failure, hyponatraemia, hepatoxicity, pneumomediastinum, aplastic anaemia, cerebral infarction, cerebral haemorrhage, and cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. 1 26 In five of the cases reported here complications followed shortly after ingestion. Four of these deaths seem to be linked directly to the toxic effects of MDMA and MDEA. In the fifth case there was evidence of water intoxication, which followed the taking of "ecstasy". In this case, however, myocardial and liver pathology was identified which was similar to the other cases. The sixth case collapsed in the street. Myocardial fibrosis and foci of liver necrosis were identified and toxicology revealed traces of MDMA. MDMA is believed to act on at least three neurotransmitter pathways, as does cocaine, but with MDMA the serotoninergic (5-hydroxy-tryptamine) pathway is principally affected, which would account for the more pronounced effect on mood. Cocaine acts chiefly on the dopaminergic system, which accounts for its greater addictive properties. MDMA also acts on the noradrenergic system. Serotonin plays a major role in thermoregulation and interference with this mechanism is believed to be the cause of the hyperthermia which arises as a complication of ring substituted amphetamine misuse. Stimulation of the noradrenergic system also probably contributes to hyperthermia. Hyperthermia may account for many of the changes seen in deaths from ring substituted amphetamine misuse, although it is interesting to note that raised temperatures were only documented in two of our cases. The pathology of heatstroke has been reported in a number of papers. In the liver the most striking change is centrilobular necrosis. Sinusoidal congestion and dilatation, and portal and sinusoidal inflammation may be present. Fatty change has been reported occasionally. Cholestasis may be present, especially in fatal cases. Rubel and Ishak34 did not find liver necrosis as frequently as other authors. They examined the liver in 50 military recruits who had died of heatstroke. These men were predominantly white. Kew et a131 had found liver necrosis a common finding in black South African gold miners. The difference in frequency may be related to the fact that the gold miners work in very high environmental temperatures with over 90% humidity, conditions not dissimilar to some raves and discos. In the myocardium contraction band necrosis and small foci of necrosis with a mixed inflammatory infiltrate are seen. These features are also evident in catecholamine induced injury. In the brain ring haemorrhages and hypoxic changes have been described. The kidneys may show acute tubular necrosis and pulmonary haemorrhage is common. The mechanism of damage in heatstroke is postulated to be caused by circulatory collapse and hypoxic damage, possibly combined with disseminated intravascular coagulopathy, which has been recorded in heatstroke,3637 and as a complication of MDMA and amphetamine ingestion.37 In the myocardium the damage may be related to catecholamine induced injury. These myocardial changes are also seen secondary to brain pathology, and contraction band necrosis may be seen in resuscitation, especially when catecholamines are used. Whilst these are alternative explanations for the changes seen, not everyone was resuscitated, and the myocardial changes are frequently seen, even in early deaths. The pathological changes present in these deaths are the same as those seen in deaths from heatstroke. These changes provide further evidence that hyperthermia can cause death following misuse of ring substituted amphetamines. Evidence of disseminated intravascular coagulopathy was also present in the brain. These deaths may therefore be a complication of hyperthermia, DIC and shock. Some caution must be exercised, however, in ascribing a death from ring substituted amphetamine misuse to these mechanisms as a high temperature is not recorded in all cases, although hyperpyrexia may have been present at some time. In the seventh case death was caused by fulminant liver failure and postmortem examination revealed massive hepatic necrosis. All investigations for the cause of liver failure were negative. The young man admitted to regular and heavy ecstasy use, and this case is similar to cases described by Henry et al.7 There is increasing evidence that "ecstasy" is hepatotoxic, and liver changes have been reported following biopsy. 10 55 These changes, however, differed from those found in the acute deaths described above. Whether the damage is caused by an idiosyncratic reaction to MDMA, or a contaminant of the drug is unclear. Therefore, there seems to be a second mechanism for liver injury from ring substituted amphetamines unrelated to hyperthermia. Furthermore, the possibility that the myocardium may also be damaged by these drugs without documented hyperthermia is suggested by case 6 and other reports, where myocardial fibrosis has been reported following misuse of MDMA.3 Individual susceptibility to ring substituted amphetamines may be related to its metabolism in the liver. Abnormalities have been reported in demethylation in susceptible individuals, related to human debrisoquine hydroxylase (CYP2D6).38 Another problem for the recreational drug taker is the quality of the tablets they take. Examination of "ecstasy" tablets by one of the authors (ARWF) has shown that the contents of the tablets vary greatly, and may be a mixture of MDA, MDMA, MDEA, amphetamines, or no pharmacologically active substance; compounds such as potassium chlorate may also be found (table 2). With such material the possibility of toxic contaminants being present is evident. The short term risks of "ecstasy" use are becoming increasingly more apparent and questions must be asked about the long term effects on the brain, liver and heart considering the pathology found in those who die. -- Lamont Granquist E-mail: lamontg@u.washington.edu ICBM: 47 39'23"N 122 18'19"W There comes a point, I'm afraid, where you begin to suspect that if there's any _real_ truth, it's that the entire multidimentional infinity of the Universe is almost certainly being run by a bunch of maniacs -- Douglas Adams ------ end of forwarded message ------ ephedra@netcom.com - p l u r From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 21:11:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA23548; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:11:51 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA23543; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:11:48 -0800 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA02326 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:11:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:11:15 -0500 Message-ID: <960215001113_423072537@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: energi at bahia Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk some of the fatest jungle will be played tonight at bahia which is at the corner of franklin and market. if you went to the top last saturday you know what i mean. this time the sound system will NOT short out (hopefully). Feat.: FLUX, thad, stareyes, ufo (i think), and others. I HIGHLY RECCOMEND ATTENDING!!! look out for dj flux's new tape very soon at a record store near you. IT"S THE BOMB!!! thErON From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 21:33:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA25328; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:33:29 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA25304; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:33:20 -0800 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA27596; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:33:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:33:16 -0800 (PST) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: frisbee hitchhiker post : Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK, this is my dilema : A friend's ((who I don't see often enough as it is)) plans to drive down from Redding, pick me up in the city, and then trek unto Harmony has fallen through. Normally, getting to a party in the city or even the east bay really isn't all that difficult for anyone willing to put in some time on public transportation, but a trip down to Santa Cruz & back is asking a lot, which is exaclly what I'm doing. I have an extra ticket, gas money, & gatorade to offer in exchange for space or a trunk. If you think that sounds like a fair deal I want to hear from you. If not it looks like I'm stuck with 2 tickets. Thanks for hearing me out - Bolger. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 21:59:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA28244; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:59:43 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA28223; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:59:37 -0800 Received: from ese.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id VAA11163; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:59:32 -0800 Received: by ese.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id VAA02919; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:59:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:59:32 -0800 (PST) From: Sabin Cloud Macphee Subject: VD To: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk EVERY DAY IS VALENTINES DAY!!!!!!!!!! GOBS OF LOVE AND BEARHUGS TO ALL OF YOU! Love, Sabin! WE ARE ALIVE! ToyHouseCrew From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Feb 14 23:18:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA07057; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:18:42 -0800 Received: from apollo.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA07050; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:18:39 -0800 Received: (from krissy@localhost) by apollo.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA12874; Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:18:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:18:25 -0800 (PST) From: CHRISTINA ANN-MARIE HOAG X-Sender: krissy@apollo To: Jason Kester cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: New to list and area soon... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello I am Krissy and this is the list of record stores you requested I hope it is current 8-) Berkeley Amoeba (best nothern cal record store) 2455 Telegraph 510.549.1125 Leopold's 2518 Durant Ave 510.848.2015 Rasputin's 2350 Telegraph 510.848.9005 Mod LAng 2136 UNiversity Ave at Shattuck 510.486.1850 San Francisco Reckless Records 1410 Haight at Masonic 415.431.3434 Recycled records 1377 Haight at MAsonic 415.626.4075 Revolver records ( never been here) 520 Clement at 6the ave 415.368.6128 Streetlight records 3979 24th St at Noe 415.282.3550 and 2350 Market St at Castro 415.282.8000 Sacramento, if you make it there The Beat 1700 J street at 17th st 916.446.4402 worth the trip If anyone has any additions, please let me know. I hope this gets you started. See you in SF -Krissy krissy@sfsu.edu On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Jason Kester wrote: > Hi all, I may not be subbed yet when you get this message, but my name is > Jason and I'm currently on the NW-Raves list and will be coming to the Bay > area soon. I was wondering if someone could send me a list of all of the > record stores in the area, SF, Berkeley, etc. I'll probably be spending about > a month there and if I can get settled, maybe longer. I have heard nothing but > good things about the parties in SF and have never had anything but wonderful > visits. > > Thanks, > Jason > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 08:27:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA00309; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:27:45 -0800 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA00302; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:27:42 -0800 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id IAA05782; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:27:06 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:27:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199602151627.IAA05782@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Turntable question To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, I have 1 1200 and will hopefully be getting another one in the near future. I was wondering what people would suggest for cartriges/needles? I don't know much in this department but figure I should get a fresh matching pair. Also include the relative prices I should be paying for a pair. Thanks a million. love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 09:27:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA07360; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:27:56 -0800 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA07351; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:27:51 -0800 Received: from nunki.usc.edu (tsheets@nunki.usc.edu [128.125.253.160]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id JAA16467; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tsheets@localhost) by nunki.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id JAA12302; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:27:48 -0800 (PST) From: Troy Sheets Message-Id: <199602151727.JAA12302@nunki.usc.edu> Subject: Re: frisbee hitchhiker post : To: dislex@sfsu.edu (MIKE BOLGER) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:27:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "MIKE BOLGER" at Feb 14, 96 09:33:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > OK, this is my dilema : > > A friend's ((who I don't see often enough as it is)) plans to drive down > from Redding, pick me up in the city, and then trek unto Harmony has > fallen through. Normally, getting to a party in the city or even the east > bay really isn't all that difficult for anyone willing to put in some > time on public transportation, but a trip down to Santa Cruz & back is > asking a lot, which is exaclly what I'm doing. I have an extra ticket, > gas money, & gatorade to offer in exchange for space or a trunk. If you > think that sounds like a fair deal I want to hear from you. If not it > looks like I'm stuck with 2 tickets. Thanks for hearing me out - > Harmony in Santa Cruz? It will be in San Francisco. Remember: presale tickets ONLY. -troy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- tsheets@scf.usc.edu <- For a good time, e-mail tsheets@schwa.sun.com <- Official Use Only http://www-scf.usc.edu/~tsheets <- A web page with cab-forward design From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 10:48:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15916; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:48:09 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15909; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:48:05 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id KAA00846; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:47:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:47:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199602151847.KAA00846@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: Turntable question Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I like Stanton 680 cartriges, with the stanton needle that goes with them. You can get two cartriges with needles for $99 as a package deal. Rick >Hello, > > >I have 1 1200 and will hopefully be getting another one in the near >future. I was wondering what people would suggest for >cartriges/needles? I don't know much in this department but figure I >should get a fresh matching pair. Also include the relative prices I >should be paying for a pair. Thanks a million. > >love chris > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 11:45:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA22543; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:45:56 -0800 Received: from viola.rs.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA22527; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:45:45 -0800 Received: from lucentio.rs.com by viola.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08788; Thu, 15 Feb 96 11:46:26 PST Received: by rs.com (Sun-4.1) id AA08788; Thu, 15 Feb 96 11:46:26 PST Received: by lucentio.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03110; Thu, 15 Feb 96 11:46:25 PST Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 11:46:25 PST From: george@rs.com (George Feil) Message-Id: <9602151946.AA03110@lucentio.rs.com> To: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU, SDream@tgrigsby.com Subject: Re: Levi's desparate attempt to gain market share. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Count me in as among the Levi's faithful. I've worn many different brands of jeans in my past and present, including Sears (yuck!), Wrangler, Lee, Calvin Klein, Blue Zone, and Levi's. I always seem to come back to buying Levi's, especially the 501's, 505's, and the Silvertab. They fit better on me, and they wear much longer than the others. My favorite rave wear includes a solid black pair of Levi's 505's. George P.S. Has anyone seen that "rave" Levis commercial, with the slogan, "Reason #000: Be your own reason," and the swirling graphics surrounding the "501"? I saw it right after attending The Gathering last year -- it simply blew my mind away. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 12:19:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA26218; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:19:13 -0800 Received: from wired.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA26210; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:19:10 -0800 Received: from [204.62.132.86] (outtasite.wired.com [204.62.132.86]) by wired.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20604 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:19:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:19:09 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: phro@hotwired.com (stephanie) Subject: roots Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Did anyone go to Roots last night??????? Was it good? -Phro-real From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 12:36:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28244; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:36:35 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28228; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:36:24 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA046956498; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:34:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: frisbee hitchhiker post : To: MIKE BOLGER Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Normally, getting to a party in the city or even the east > bay really isn't all that difficult for anyone willing to put in some > time on public transportation, but a trip down to Santa Cruz & back is > asking a lot, which is exaclly what I'm doing. Whoa, hold on a sec.... I was told that this party was going to be in *San Francisco*. Coming from Sacramento to Santa Cruz is an especially long drive that I do not want to make. Does anyone here know where it is supposed to be for sure? love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 12:45:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29680; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:45:25 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA29634; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:45:09 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA07373 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:44:52 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA28524; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:44:48 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28720; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:44:45 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:48:22 -0800 To: Amy R Starkey From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: frisbee hitchhiker post : Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> Normally, getting to a party in the city or even the east >> bay really isn't all that difficult for anyone willing to put in some >> time on public transportation, but a trip down to Santa Cruz & back is >> asking a lot, which is exaclly what I'm doing. > >Whoa, hold on a sec.... >I was told that this party was going to be in *San Francisco*. Coming >from Sacramento to Santa Cruz is an especially long drive that I do not >want to make. Does anyone here know where it is supposed to be for sure? > >love, >Amy The voicemail says SF, so everyone should plan to trek there...call the info lines tomorrow afternoon... - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 12:51:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00816; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:51:47 -0800 Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00764; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:51:25 -0800 Received: from by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA15214; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:50:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:50:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199602152050.MAA15214@ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: frisbee hitchhiker post : To: Amy R Starkey To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Whoa, hold on a sec.... >I was told that this party was going to be in *San Francisco*. Coming >from Sacramento to Santa Cruz is an especially long drive that I do not >want to make. Does anyone here know where it is supposed to be for sure? No, Harmony is in San Francisco! So I've been told & so says the Harmony voicemail recorder. Don't worry! Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 13:01:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA02352; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:01:06 -0800 Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02208; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:00:45 -0800 Received: from by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA16553; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:59:54 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:59:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199602152059.MAA16553@ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Harmony & uther stuf To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! A few things: 1st off, gotta do my usual thing & post my description so that y'all can hunt me down & say hello at Harmony! Am very much looking forward to it, & please come & say hi! Anyway, I'll be pretty distinctive, I'll be wearing my black converse hightops, my hot pink tye-dye leggings, my purple SFRaves t-shirt, and a bright pink feather boa! And I'll also be carrying around a bag full of happy trip-toys to play with, I should be easy to spot, so come up & say howdy! Oh yeah, 5'8", shoulder length straightish brown hair. Any descriptions of you all who are going so I can keep an eye out for you too? Also: Just wanted to double-check this, the Harmony voicemail says that the pre-sale ticket I just bought is merely a ticket to the map point, where I will then have to get the actual admission ticket. I did hear this correctly, right? I just wanted to make sure of this, cause it was enough of a pain in the butt driving all the way out to F-8 from the Concord area, that I'd rather not have to make additional treks out aside from directly to the party if I don't have to. And if it is so that this is just a ticket to the map point, can I assume the directions to the map point will be posted on the Harmony voicemail recording? Or was I stupid in forgetting to ask about that at F-8? Thirdly: I'll be wearing my sfraves laminate to Packa-bowl tonight, hope to see anybody who's going there! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 13:56:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA10050; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:56:46 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09991; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:56:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: Cindy Kawakami To: "Jim S. Thompson" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Levi's Cool Web Site In-Reply-To: <9602142021.AA20552@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Jim S. Thompson wrote: > > When I was in London over Xmas, Levis was running the > MOST flipped out advert on TV that I've ever seen! > It had this totally wacked little rave ditty running > (Spaceman! Spaceman!) over the visuals - which were > of some space babe returning home to her super 50's > retro-futurismo cyberban neighborhood after borrowing > the keys to Dad's space ship. The song "Spaceman" > by Babylon Zoo went to #1 in the UK the week it was > released...... > > For some reason, Levis is NOT going to show the ad > in the US! :-( Planet was aired during an episode of the Simpsons here in the US. However, I haven't seen it since on air. There is a copy of it on the site: http://www.levi.com/inner-seam/eu/vol1/iss2/ FYI, Babylon Zoo is a "doggy-indy" band and not techno related. Also any band that has done a soundtrack for a Levi's EU commercial has always hit #1 in the charts. Also check out next week's ad that is coming out in the Inner-Seam section. The soundtrack is by MC 500ft. Jesus and this commercial will definiately *NOT* be on air in the US. -Cindy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 14:30:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA13516; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:30:28 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA13502; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:30:17 -0800 Received: from [205.149.171.92] (bayball.vip.best.com [205.149.171.92]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA29607 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:30:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:30:08 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bayball@best.com (Alex) Subject: Weekend Plans Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, so it's me again, the bartender guy, and I'm trying to figure out when I'm gonna work this weekend, so what I need to know is this: Is Harmony sold out yet? Is it definitely in SF? And is there a Chrysalis party on Sat? I'm more confused than I think I've ever been while sober! Will somebody please straighten me out? Alex, The Loving Bartender From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 14:55:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA16154; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:55:15 -0800 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA16146; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:55:10 -0800 Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (ausman@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA17063 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:54:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199602152254.OAA17063@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Weekend Plans In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:30:08 PST." Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:54:34 -0800 From: James Ausman Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Okay, so it's me again, the bartender guy, and I'm trying to figure >out when I'm gonna work this weekend, so what I need to know is this: Is >Harmony sold out yet? Is it definitely in SF? And is there a Chrysalis >party on Sat? I'm more confused than I think I've ever been while sober! >Will somebody please straighten me out? > Alex, The Loving Bartender > I was at F-8 at noon and Harmony was not sold out yet. I am told that it is definitely in SF. Jim "I have no mouth and I must scream." -Hello Kitty From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 15:33:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21051; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:33:05 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA21019; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:33:00 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id PAA27132; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:41:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3123C0CF.2493@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:25:03 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: ameba@netcom.com Subject: Organic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ORGANIC third year anniversary saturday february 17th , 1996 djs Tony, Dan, Graeme, Terrence Toy from L.A. and from Chicago - DJ Sneak Location is same Oakland Warehouse as Vision and Gathering 415.266.8215 415.266.9215 -- salutations, allen@ameba _____________________________________ ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 mailto:ameba@netcom.com http://www.ameba.com | \ 415.750.9368 | \ ===================================== | / | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 15:43:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAB22190; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:43:27 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22182; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:43:24 -0800 Received: from [128.32.205.207] (u2w38.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.205.207]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA22946 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:43:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora 2.1.2 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:43:35 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Michal Migurski) Subject: Re: New to list and area soon... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >If anyone has any additions, please let me know. I hope this gets you >started. See you in SF > >-Krissy >krissy@sfsu.edu What about Primal Records? It's a techno-only store located a few blocks down telegraph from Amoeba, accross from the 7-11. I'm not sure of the address. -m. 0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0 | -flyers, t-shirts and other diversions- | | for that whole body thirst situation | | | | (- My Portfolio! -) | | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...| | -> but patience always helps. <- | | | 0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 15:47:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22663; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:47:16 -0800 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22647; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:47:09 -0800 Received: from pp000267 by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id SAA12684; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:46:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:46:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199602152346.SAA12684@smtp1.interramp.com> X-Sender: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: george@rs.com (George Feil), piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU, SDream@tgrigsby.com From: pp000267@pop3.interramp.com (Paul Richard) Subject: Re: Levi's desparate attempt to gain market share. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:46 AM 2/15/96 PST, George Feil wrote: >Count me in as among the Levi's faithful. > >I've worn many different brands of jeans in my past and present, >including Sears (yuck!), Wrangler, Lee, Calvin Klein, Blue Zone, and >Levi's. I always seem to come back to buying Levi's, especially the >501's, 505's, and the Silvertab. They fit better on me, and they wear >much longer than the others. My favorite rave wear includes a solid >black pair of Levi's 505's. > >George > >P.S. Has anyone seen that "rave" Levis commercial, with the slogan, >"Reason #000: Be your own reason," and the swirling graphics >surrounding the "501"? I saw it right after attending The Gathering >last year -- it simply blew my mind away. > And I've gotta say that they have a great website, including some of the best electronic valentines I've ever encountered. I love my Silvertabs (have a pair on now), and they are a fairly progressive company, despite the touted stock buyback allegedly designed to lessen employee control. Over and out Paul Paul Richard pp000267@interramp.com Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita mi ritrovai per una selva piu' bella, che la diretta via era scoperta. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 15:58:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA24077; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:58:24 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA24064; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:58:16 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.107] (Cust43.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.107]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04707 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:58:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199602152358.PAA04707@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:58:01 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Moscow Clubs (Group A) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone planning to go to Moscow? Well, here is a list of their clubs and Rave venues for those that might want to have this totally useless information (Useful ONLY if you happen to be traveling there). Looks like the rave scene is flourishing pretty well... >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 18:20 +0300 >From: bmozgovoi@glas.apc.org (Basil Mozgovoi) >To: cdb@magicnet.net, crunch@well.com, nunrg@algonet.se >Subject: Moscow Clubs (Group A) >X-UIDL: 824426208.014 > >Hi! > >Please find below Group A Moscow Clubs info. Group A Clubs are >recommended at least for the music (house/progressive >house/acid/techno/jungle/gabber). > >Group B Clubs and my comments concerning the Group A Clubs later >this week! > >THANx! BaSiL bmozgovoi@glas.apc.org > >GROUP A (Keep Underground!) > >Only real underground vibes!. > >*Aerodance* > >Address: Leningradsky pr. (in the left wing of the Aerovokzal) >Tel. 152-5925 Subway (metro) stop: Aeroport Open: Thur to Sat >from 23.00 to 7.00 Admission: Thur: $5 - f., $10 - m.; Fri: $5 - >f. till 1.00, $20 after 1.00, $30 - m.; Sat: $10 - f. till 1.00, >$20 after 1.00, $30 - m. Face Control: Thursday, strict >Residents: DJ Gavrila (Gabriel) Best Day: Thursday Happenings: >Thursday - Closed Aerodance Party; Friday and Saturday - Active >Rave Movement. > >*Art.Os* > >Address: Karetny Ryad, 3 Open: Tue to Sun 24 h. Admission: No >Face Control: No Residents: DJs Mark and Banan - Acid Jazz, >House > >*Hippopotam* > >Address: Mantulinskaya 5/1, str. 6 Tel. 256-2327, 256-2346 Fax >256-2451 Subway (metro) stop: 1905 Goda Open: Wed, Fri and Sat >from 10.00 to 5.00; Thur and Sun from 10.00 to 2.00 Admission: >$10; Wed: femails free till 24.00, students - $7 Face Control: >Age limit (18) Residents: DJ Bell; DJ Jungle; DJ Dan (Hippo.) >Best Day: Wednesday Happenings: Wednesday - "History" House >Party Usual Guests: DJ Nick (Titanic Club, Radio "Station") DJ >Duck (Titanic Club, Radio "Station") DJ Groove (Storm Crew, Radio >"Station") DJ Dan (Storm Crew, Radio "Station") DJ Kolya Danilin >(Radio "Station") > >*Master* > >Address: Pavlovskaya ul., 6 Tel. 237-1742, 237-3791 Fax >237-3791 Open: Fri to Sun from 11.00 till 5.30 Admission: $10 >-f., $20 - m. Face Control: No Residents: DJ Worker, DJ >Smile, DJ Suhoff Best Day: Friday Happenings: Friday - Rave >Party with DJ Fish (DiskOxid), DJ Smile, DJ Suhoff and guests >(usually DJs from Relax Club); Saturday - Funny House Party with >DJ Fonar' (Funny House), DJ Fish (DiskOxid), DJ Volodya (AzArtDJ, >MDM) and others. > >*MDM* > >Address: Frunzeskaya ul. at Moscow Youth Palace Subway (metro) >stop: Frunzenskaya Open: Fri. - Sun. from 23.00 - 6.00 >Admission: $10 Face Control: No Residents: DJ Zmei >("Station"); DJ Volodia (Radio "Station") Happenings: Friday, >Saturday - RAveCORE Party: Djs Groove, Dan (Jungle, Break Beat), >Djs Jungle, Volodya (House), DJ Compass Vrubel (Progressive House, >Acid); Sunday - Dance Core Party (Total Hardcore): DJ Digger >(Radio "Station"), DJ Or-Beat (Radio "Station"), DJ Transfer >("Station"), DJ Angela Schuljenko (St. Petersburg) > >*Relax* > >Address: Bolshaya Yushinskaya ul., 1a Tel. 318-6481 Subway >(metro) stop: Sevastopolskaya/Kakhovskaya Open: Fri.-Sun. >23.00-6.00 + till 12.00 after party Admission: $10-20 Best >day: Friday Residents: DJ Kubikov, DJ F.Ant.Azy, DJ Q.Be > >*Titanic* > >Address: Leningradsky pr. 31 Tel. 213-4581 Subway (metro) >stop: Dinamo Open: Wed.-Mon. from 23.00 - 6(7).00 Residents: >DJ Nick; DJ Ivanoff; DJ Duck Happenings: Mon. - AdiDance Party; >Wed. - Fashion Show Best Day: Thursday, Monday > >*Ptuoch* (Opens again Feb.16, 1996) > >Address: 5-th Monetchikovskiy per., 3 Tel. 231-9463 Fax 954-4278 >Open: Wed. - Mon. 23.00 - 6.00 + after party (till 12.00) Subway >(metro) stop: Paveletskaya (exit opposite Paveletskiy Railway >Terminal) Addmission: Thur. $5(f), $10; Fri. $10(f1), $10(f2), >$20; Sat. $15(f), $20 /f - flyer; f1 - flyer till 24.00, f2 - >flyer after 24.00/ Face Control: Strict! Residents: DJ E'g; DJ >Compass Vrubel; DJ Django (U.K.); DJ Zorkin; DJ Ivan Best Day: >Wed.-Sat. Happenings: Wed. - Club Day; Thur. - DJs Jam; Fri. - >"Nejnost"; Sat. - Dance Maraphone (24.00 - 12.00); Mon. - Special >day (unrecommended!) - no face control! Addmission on Monday: >$30 > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 15:58:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA24094; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:58:28 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA24073; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:58:20 -0800 Received: from [153.36.85.107] (Cust43.Max6.Santa-Clara.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.36.85.107]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04816 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:58:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199602152358.PAA04816@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:58:10 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Ptyuch Magazine - More trivia from Russia Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here is some additional information you all might find interesting. It describes a little more about the Rave scene in Russia. Crunchman >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 18:21 +0300 >From: bmozgovoi@glas.apc.org (Basil Mozgovoi) >To: cdb@magicnet.net, crunch@well.com, nunrg@algonet.se >Subject: Ptyuch Magazine >X-UIDL: 824426208.015 > >Friends! > >Please find below an article from the Moscow Times daily newspaper >(Thur., February 8, 1996). I'll mail some comments concerning this >article soon. > >Thanks! > >BaSiL e-mail: bmozgovoi@glas.apc.org > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------- > > >PAINFULLY, GAINFULLY, WILLFULLY HIP by Owen Matthews (The Moscow >Times) > >Just how cool is Moscow? Not quit as cool as Rave Nation London >but a small cut above supersquare Tirana, perhaps? Or somewhere in >between the funky weirdness of club-kid Berlin and the 70's vibe >of Tomsk? The answer is that Moscow is, in fact, much cooler than >you thing, and there's even a super-hip magazine to prove it. > >"Young Russian people are as full of ideas, wild and free-spirited >as any in the world, if not more so," said Igor Shulinsku, 26, >editor in chief of Ptyuch, Russia's answer to ID, The Face, Wired, >Rolling Stone, Interview and Paygun all rolled in one. > >With a Russia-wide circulation of 80,000, the large format >20,000-ruble ($1 = 4700 rub - BM) glossy deals with club and >contemporary culture in all its manifestations: drugs, cyberspace, >raves, fashion, music, personalities and art. From features on >avangarde French artists Pierre and Gilles to body piercing and >the latest news on the Internet, Ptyuch is punchy, avant-garde and >outrageous without being obnoxious. > >"We are a hooligan magazine," said Shulinsky proudly. "We are >provocative. We break the rules." > >The one-year-old magazine's coverage of drugs has raised hackles >among the conservative-minded. Articles about the quality, >effectiveness and history of ecstasy, favorite drug of >club-growing youth, as well as a piece of drug fiction by veteran >junkie William Burroughs, a cover photograph of two girls kissing, >and full-frontal male nude photo as part of a Pierre and Gilles >feature has put ptyuch firmly outside the homely fold of >traditional Russian glossy magazines. > >"People always fear the new", said Dina Kim, 25, commercial >director of Ptyuch, which has begun making money after a year of >scraping by. "We write about our live issues like drugs, but we >aren't stupidly moralistic about it. We don't preach, so some >people have negative reactions to that." > >The popularity of Ptyuch is symptomatic of a huge, frustrated >interest in youth culture all over the Russia, said Shulinsky; >though Moscow and St.Petersburg are the powerhouses of club >culture in Russia, Ptyuch is read as far away as Vladivostok and >Kazakhstan. > >"There's only one real club in the whole Russia, and only a couple >of places to buy club clothes" said Shulinsky on the eponymous >Ptyuch club, near Paveletsky Station, from which the magazine is >run. "It isn't just disco, it's the center of a whole cultural >movement." > >As well as the magazine, Ptyuch organizes exhibitions, parties and >special events, including the recent "Alternative Miss Moscow >Competition" for transvestites. Although there is a definite >Ptyuch "crowd," by comparison to the club kids of New York, London >or Berlin, their numbers are tiny. > >"There are about 500 people in Moscow who come to the club more or >less regularly," said Shulinsy. "And about 30 trendsetters who >wouldn't look out of place in a club anywhere in the world." > >Thirty hard-core trendies in a nation of 150 million may seem >small, but the problem of developing a vibrant alternative youth >culture has more to do with financial restrictions than a lack of >enthusiasm and originality. > >"Our plan is to open up a bigger club, organize huge raves in a >disused factory and to start more Russian record labels," said >Kim. "Unless we get sent to Siberia in cattle trucks first." > >--END OF TEXT-- > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 16:09:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25254; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:09:21 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25231; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:09:12 -0800 Received: (from krissy@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA20135; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:08:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:08:39 -0800 (PST) From: CHRISTINA ANN-MARIE HOAG X-Sender: krissy@orion To: John Draper cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Moscow Clubs (Group A) In-Reply-To: <199602152358.PAA04707@well.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anybody know of any other good clubs in any other european cities? I am going to be in Amsterdam, Hamburg, Vienna, PAris, Rome, London, and Edinburgh. -Krissy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 16:27:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27255; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:27:12 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA27240; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:27:06 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA18602 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:26:58 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25264 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:26:50 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14505 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:26:48 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:30:30 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Harmony! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To all who'll be at Harmony, This party is going to be hella phat! (Did I say that?) I'm looking forward to meeting lots of new friends. I'll be wearing a bright t-shirt with mushrooms on it that says "SHROOMARAMA" on the front, and multi-colored pants, so please say high if you see me :) See y'all there! - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 16:30:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27536; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:30:38 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA27522; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:30:30 -0800 From: zdrawlins@ucdavis.edu Received: from [128.120.80.144] by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id QAA23442; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:30:22 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:31:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: new moon Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk does someone have info on the new moon gathering? i am from socal, and am therefore clueless as to how to find out about? and is there a chrysalis party coming up? -kuddlepunk From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 17:06:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA01222; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:06:15 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA01215; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:06:10 -0800 Received: (from dislex@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA28784; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:05:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: MIKE BOLGER X-Sender: dislex@orion To: Shawna McGourty cc: Amy R Starkey , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: "hang ten dude..." In-Reply-To: <199602152050.MAA15214@ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Uhhh, nevermind. I've been smoking too much crack lately and really don't know what I'm talking about. Thanks for humoring me - Bolger On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Shawna McGourty wrote: > >Whoa, hold on a sec.... > >I was told that this party was going to be in *San Francisco*. Coming > > >from Sacramento to Santa Cruz is an especially long drive that I do > not > >want to make. Does anyone here know where it is supposed to be for > sure? > > > No, Harmony is in San Francisco! So I've been told & so says the > Harmony voicemail recorder. Don't worry! > > Shawna > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 18:08:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08206; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:08:20 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA08187; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:08:16 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id SAA27460; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:17:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3123E48D.14E8@netcom.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:57:33 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: ameba@netcom.com Subject: 3Bs(beats,bowling and billiards) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk come on down yall...what could be wierder than catching a good buzz and throwing big balls around while jamming to good tunes? tonite is Tracy, Aleki, Mars and Happy, 6$ bowling and pool is free I guess bowling and beats are compatable I was just told that the Velvet shop in San Jose is also in a bowling alley bye for now Mark Ameba From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 18:31:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA10376; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:31:55 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10367; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:31:49 -0800 Received: from sfasc182.slip.net (sfasc182.slip.net [206.14.14.182]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA16334 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:31:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:31:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199602160231.SAA16334@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Frequency 8) Subject: PACKA-BOWL *TONIGHT*!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a FRIENDLY Reminder to.... PACKA-BOWL TONIGHT!!! Park Bowl 1855 Haight @ Stanyan >>18+ Admittance>><<21+ Ambient Bar>> Pool,Bowl,Get Down...$6. 8:30pm-2:00am From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 18:43:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11427; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:43:59 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11414; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:43:55 -0800 From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199602160243.SAA11414@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:43:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 17890 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This list is now being generated from a 'database' - i'm still testing my program and tweaking it, so there may be a few mistakes this time. There's a link on the SFR home page (http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf) to test the live generation of the calendar. Let me know if you see any problems (besides the punctuation problems I can already see). This mechanism will allow for web-based searches for particular types of events (when I get around to setting that up). This weekend, Harmony and Organic and Teknotika face off - Harmony should be a bit more intimate, and conversely, Organic will be more massive, while Teknotika is the obvious choice for Detroit fans. On Sunday, Spundae has little competition for their big show. The SFR Calendar http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrcal.html _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay A rea Friday, February 16th - _Strategically Pleased_ DJ Dan, Jim Hopkins, Jon Allan Jr., Tasho. 10pm- $8. 415.273.1913 Friday, February 16th - _Harmony_ Graeme, Trent, Greg, Jon Carel, Simon, Harry Who?, Brandon, Tony, BioJeff, Rob , Doran, Terry Mullan, Galen, Minor Minor, Shoam, Claire. $10 presale tickets at Frequency-8 and Solid Grooves. All ages $10. 408.450.3044 Friday, February 16th - _Planet Fantasy_ Donald Glaude, Tracy, Frank Nitty, Carlos, Billy, Gyn. 800.RAVE.081 Friday, February 16th - _Brought to you By The People_ The return of the Supreme Love Gods live, The Chunk (featuring former members of Psychefunkapus), Spun, Graeme, Tracy. 111 Minna St.. 415.437.4462 Saturday, February 17th - _Organic _ tony, dj dan, graeme, terence toy (LA), dj sneak (Chicago). Third Year Anniversary. 415.266.8215 415.266.9215 Saturday, February 17th - _into Something_ Miquel, Henry, Julius Papp. Soul-Jazz. 11pm-, 21+ $5. 55 Natoma. 415.998.9515 Saturday, February 17th - _New Moon Party_ All ages. Saturday, February 17th - _Teknotika_ drc, jon santos, dial8, dj abstract, surprise guest from the detroit undergrou nd. 415.267.4890 Sunday, February 18th - _Spundae_ EFX, Jeno, Taylor (LA), Jam & Spoon (Germany), Pete Avila, Aaron O, Mark Lewis (LA), DJ Dan, Tony, Carlos, Jon Williams, Simon, Henrik, Miquel, Thomas, Felix . Three Year Anniversary 9pm-10am, 21+. 1015 Folsom St., . 415.974.9389 Friday, February 23rd - One Nation Underground and West Coast of Mind presents _Second Chakra_ Quest (Seattle), Spun, Tony, Travis, Garth, Tracy. Partial proceeds to Greenpeace. $12 before 10pm. 9pm-5am, 18+ Free. 510.895.3550 415.337.4928 408.749.6724 916.535.7652 Saturday, February 24th - GrooveKid Productions presents [1]Techno Temple Mach One (Universe/UK), Graeme, Tony, Blesed, Miah, Max Factor, Spinner, Ivo, Alice Turner, Sausee, Dreamer, Pat Allen, Carlos, Binnie, Foster, Matty. L.S.D. Visuals. 415.605.1915 408.488.1350 510.980.8861 Saturday, February 24th - Raindance Productions presents _Satori_ Harry Who, Markie, Jeno, Garth, Tracy, Tom, Jay Hartley, Mei-Lwun. 415.337.4142 510.895.7558 408.425.3316 Thursday, February 29th - _LEEEP_ Carlos, Dutch, Blesed, guests. Details to follow. Friday, March 1st - space children presents [2]Prometheus Unbound Derrick May, Stacey Pullen, Gary O, Spacetime Continuum, Jon Williams, Graeme, Dutch, Das. Gardening Club w/Darkhorse, Professor Smith, U.F.O, Matty & Abstract. $15. 415.273.1622 916.554.7177 408.327.9277 510.874.4733 Friday, March 1st - [3]Frequency-8 MARS, Myster-E, Ethan, Solar. 300 tickets available, from F-8 (1816 Haight). $10. 415.541.5019 Friday, March 1st - _Batteries Not Included!_ Tony, Dutch, Rick Preston, Ghost, Pat Allen, Frank Nitty, DJ R K Tech, DJ Fric tion (Texas), guests. 415.273.1902 510.485.2582 Saturday, March 2nd - _Planet Rock Strikes Back_ Trance, Terry Mullen, Nigel Richards, Hipp-E, Karizma, Jim Hopkins, Graeme, Su rge, Das, Abstract, Cesar, Radley. E.B.E. Visuals. 415.267.3916 510.433.7216 Thursday, March 21st - _benefit party for 'A' Abbas Rezaei_ Jeno, SImon, Spun, Garth, Markie, Tony, Ellen Ferrato, Dubtribe, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+. 1015 Folsom, . Saturday, March 23rd - Adonis and Giggles presents _Devotion_ DJ Dan, Jeno, Garth, Carlos, Tracy, Utopia, Adonis. 415.435.7570 Saturday, March 23rd - _Something Special_ Ethan, Joe Rice, Le Le, DJ Tom, Dan Barnes, Sean EE, Ghetto Electro Live. $10. 415.525.5052 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... Thursday [4]Lift - House w/DJs David Harness, Aaron O , Jay-J, Black, guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+ $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984 [5]Velvet Shop - House, Techno. call for location 21+ $5. , SJ 408.235.1556 [6]Inferno - Grey, Darrell, Cisco, Dave. 21+ $2. Graziano's Restaurant, 134 Pet Blvd, Petaluma., Petaluma. 707.762.440 4 _Azul_ - House, Soul w/DJs Alfie, James. 21+ Free. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF. _Swing Mode_ - Acid Jazz, Trip Hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Corbin, Everett, gu ests. 10pm-4am, . Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin, SF. 415.773.8841 _The Top_ - House w/DJs Preston, guests. 8pm-2am, 21+ $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. [7]Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew Rawnsley, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+ $3. Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF. Friday _Mecca_ - House, Acid Jazz, Disco w/DJs Jeno, Markie, Taj, guests. 21+ $10. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.431.1200 _Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guets. 9:30pm-7am, 21+ $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston on 4 turntables. 21+. Red Light District, San Jose, SJ. _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight. 11pm-5am, 21+ $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730 _Go Fast_ - Techno. Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come too) . 10pm-. 8th & Minna, SF. _The Top_ - House, Trip Hop w/DJs Robbie Hardkiss, friends. 9pm-2am, 21+ Free. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+ Free. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285 _Solid State_ - Disco, Funk, Soul, Rare Groove w/DJs Garth, guests. Free before 11. 21+ $8. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. _Viva_ - ...setting san francisco on fire! w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Jamie J, guest. free before 10:30 w/flyer 9:30pm-4am, 21+ $7. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF. Saturday _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning 6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF. _Sound Factory _- big club sounds 9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300 _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr. Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457 [8]55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858 _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights. 10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903 [9]Vertigo - Psycho, Techno, Disco, Funk w/DJs Nikki Rivera, Ellen Ferrato, Steven Sque, Lewis. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. _Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research_ - ambient. live and pre-record ed ambient soundscapes 7pm-11pm, . RAW Living Foods, 1224 9th @ Lincoln, SF. 415.789.8308 _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests. 2am-6am, 21+ $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 _Nuff Respect _- Jungle w/DJs StarEyes, Th ad. 5pm-9pm, Free. Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland, Oakland . 510.601.YOUR [10]Jungle at the Top - Jungle w/DJs Shobhan, UFO, Noel, guests. 21+ $2. The Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.995.4699 _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Manci as, Mauricio Avilas, Tom Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+ $7. 111 Minna St, SF. _the Sci-fi Club_ - acid, trance, tribal, techno w/DJs Dutch, DRC, Mars, Theta Blip. 21+. 683 Clementina @ 8th & Folsom, SF. 415.331.1500x888 Sunday _Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Ca rlos, Miquel, weekly guests. free b4 10:30p 10pm-5:30am, 21+ $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389 _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anth ony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore, SF. 415.771.2583 _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, Shawn Janes, Phil B, guests. 21+. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256 [11]Quench - House, Ambient w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests. Ambient-Space explorations by DJ Leath and guests in the front room. 21+. The Usual, 400 South First St., San Jose, San Jose. 408.535.0330 Monday [12]Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius Papp, guests. 9pm-3am, 21+ $5. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.905.8811 _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+ Free. 557 Haight St., SF. [13]MAD - Tech no, Trance & Electro w/DJs Ethan, Alex, Jon Santos, Joe Rice, guests. $2 before 11pm. 10pm-, 18+ $3. Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin., SF. Tuesday [14]Butterfly - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, House, Funk w/DJs Charlotte, Dani, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+ $2. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF. [15]Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Rube n, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+ $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515 _Begin..._ - house, trip hop, trance w/DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley, Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, Anna. 9pm-2am, All ages. The Inn of the Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati, Cotati. 707.524.4443 _the Magic Circle_ - Space Funk w/DJs Tony Fader, DJ Sifu. 1am, . Your Mama's Cafe, 5329 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR _the Five-O_ - drum'n'bass w/DJs Jonah Sharp, a man like malcolm, mc's. 21+ $5. 9th & Howard, SF. [16]Mos Eisley Spaceport - cybertrance & t echno w/DJs Mars, Solar, John Howard, Mystr-E, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+ $3. club Boomerang, 1840 Haight @ Stanyan, SF. 415.387.2996 _Kinetic_ - Phil Salter, guests. 21+ $5. 2325 clayton road, concord. 510.946.5005 _Pure Space_ - House w/DJs Spun, guests. 9pm-2am, . Greg's Bar, , San Jose. _a.d._ - mentaltechnomeetsdrumNbass w/DJs 10pm-2am, 18+ $3. Bahia, 1600 Ma rket, SF. _Shoam_ - Trip-Hop & Drum n Bass w/DJs Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College, Oak land. Wednesday [17]Simply Done - House w/DJs John Howard , Loren, guests. 10pm-, 21+ $5. 538 Howard, SF. [18]Come/Unity - House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Gar th. first Wednesday of the month. 10pm-4am, 21+ $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815 _Boost_ - old school uplifting house w/DJs Jamie J, Hector the ejector. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7105 _Roots_ - House, Trip Hop w/DJs Garth, Jeno, Felix the Dogge, Thomas, gue sts. 10pm-4am, 21+ $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713 415.675.5660 _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic groov es, jungle w/DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+ Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF. _Reunion_ - Danny, Naz Cafe, guests. 9pm-, 21+ Free. The Fulton Bar, 1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332 _Europa_ - ambient, experimental, industrial w/DJs from House of Usher, W inter Gone By. 9pm-3am, 21+ $5. 540 Howard St, rear entrance, SF. 415.789.7359 _Energi_ - jungle w/DJs Flux, Abstract, guests. 21+ $3. Bahia, 1600 Market, SF. _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338 * The Groove Line - (415) 321.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Mo nchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 1 03.3 (Santa Clara) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" w/DJ Seth. Ambient, experimen tal, ethereal, acid-trance-techno, industrial and trip-hop on KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on [19]KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Ambient, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, Acid Jazz and noise [20]KFJC 89.7 - Los Alto s Hills * Friday night midnight - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 47 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. [21]flux@netcom.com * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and ar ound the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, [22]KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday morning - "The Uncle Noah TV Show" 6-9am, KDVS 90.3, Davis. * Saturday afternoon - [23]"Bustop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. [24]KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night - "Saturday Night Spin Out" w/Ronnie Libido. Trip hop, Jung le, Ambient, Experimental Sounds. 10pm-2am. [25]KFJC 89.7 - Los Alto s Hills _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, [26]send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to [27]majordomo@hyperreal.com with eithe r the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to [28]majordomo@hyperreal.com with the l ine subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. [29][30][31] [32]Derek Chung - [33]dhchung@hyperreal.com - 415.506.6195 References 1. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/techte mp.gif 2. http://www.manmade.com/tra nsmat.html 3. http://www.frequency-8.com/ 4. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/lift.gif 5. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/velvet.gif 6. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/inferno.gif 7. http://www.sirius.com/~paulus/fullhouse 8. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/55.gif 9. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/vertigo2.gif 10. http://www.cyberzen.com/jungle 11. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/quench.gif 12. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/jazidup.gif 13. http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/Events.html#MAD 14. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/bfly.gif 15. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/breathe.gif 16. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/moseisly.gif 17. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/flyers/simpdone.jpg 18. http://tribe2.tribe.com/comeunity/comeunity.html 19. http://www.usfca.edu/usf/kusf 20. http://www.cygnus.com/misc/kfjc.html 21. mailto:flux@netcom.com 22. http://www.usfca.e du/usf/kusf 23. http://www.cit.usfca.edu/busstop 24. http://www.usfca.edu/usf/kusf 25. http://www.cygnus.com/misc/kfjc.html 26. mailto:dhchung@hyperreal.com 27. mailto:majordomo@hyperreal.com 28. mailto:majordomo@hyperreal.com 29. file://localhost/export/home/index.html 30. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/sfphone.html 31. file://localhost/export/home/dhchung/sfrmap.html 32. http://www.hyperreal.com/~dhchung/ 33. mailto:dhchung@hyperreal.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 18:49:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA12196; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:49:44 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA12189; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:49:40 -0800 From: Demigod180@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA22422 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:49:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <960215214906_423822258@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Moscow Clubs (Group A) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I can help you out in finding clubs in Amsterdam, Vienna, and London. And if you get a chance check out Berlin! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 19:38:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA17293; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:38:42 -0800 Received: from palm by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA17261; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:38:32 -0800 From: MEAD@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #4908) id <01I199L83XH296XAYN@uwplatt.edu>; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:40:46 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:40:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: New Levi's lineup To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01I199L8474896XAYN@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I prefer the Levi's 303's and 808's myself... ;) clinton _coming to San Fran for Spring Break_ "Gabber DJ from HArdCoRE MINNeapoLiS" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 22:02:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA01546; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:02:47 -0800 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA01538; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:02:44 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA22392; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:02:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:02:25 -0500 Message-ID: <960216010224_423950511@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: shawna-@ix.netcom.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: HARMONY,... help! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I really want to go to harmony, especially after reading shawnas post. But how can I get tickets???? I'm in sac, and I dont know anyone in s.f. that I could have buy tickets for me. Any ideas? I can give rides if anyone is in need. Thanks all, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 22:17:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA02792; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:17:26 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA02775; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:17:19 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA242221359; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:16:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Harmony & uther stuf To: Shawna McGourty Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199602152059.MAA16553@ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Shawna McGourty wrote: > 1st off, gotta do my usual thing & post my description so that y'all > can hunt me down & say hello at Harmony! I'll join in then as well. For those few of you sfravers who haven't met me yet, I'll most likely be wearing a white Hanes tee shirt and dark green cords. I'll be sporting my sfraves laminate, too. I'm 5'6" with long brown hair and a big grin! :) My best friend may be easier to spot - Her name is Melanie and she is a short blonde who ususally wears a neon green windbreaker or a neon orange sweatshirt. She may be easier to spot than me, but you can be sure I will be near by. Eric P., you sound like you won't be hard to miss - I shall keep a careful eye out for ya. This rave is gonna go OFF! Thank goodness my cold is better! Til tomarrow night, LOVE Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 15 23:49:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA11190; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:49:21 -0800 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA11179; Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:49:16 -0800 From: Demigod180@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA07436 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 02:48:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 02:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <960216024836_423989180@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Europe 411 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In Berlin and Vienna, thay actually have a little book like pamphlet thing that goes around town that has practicly every rave in it. Its fucking sponsored by Camel cigaretes and shit, everyone knows about raves there, everyone. And somehow they even find the undergrounds clubs sometimes. And just like here, just go to a dance record store and ask. In London you should pick up a Time out, and like I said, go to the record stores and grab a flier. I gotta warn you though in advance, London loves jungle,.....just in case it' s not your thing. But none of these cities compare at all to Amsterdam. Imagine 20,000 people bouncing to Rotterdam for freakin hours. If your any where around the time of a big one like a Hellraiser or an Id&T show, i wouldn't worry about not seeing a flier. Hope this helps, smoke some hydro chronic for me in Holland. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 00:04:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA14866; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:04:02 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA14854; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:03:56 -0800 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id AAA22768; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:02:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:02:46 -0800 (PST) From: "d. durrell" Subject: Re: Moscow Clubs (Group A) To: CHRISTINA ANN-MARIE HOAG cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Who knows about the rest of the planet, but when in Paris, tune in 98,2 FM (Radio FG98,2). They play house, etc almost 24/7, and they will know (if you can listen & understand french) where/when all the shit kickin' parties will be. I don't really care for the on-the-air flamers, but if you can extract the information, it would be worth it. There are definitely good happenings to be had. mrfrog On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, CHRISTINA ANN-MARIE HOAG wrote: > Does anybody know of any other good clubs in any other european cities? > I am going to be in Amsterdam, Hamburg, Vienna, PAris, Rome, London, and > Edinburgh. > -Krissy > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 00:47:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA18403; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:47:30 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA18389; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:47:25 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.28] (205.162.24.27) by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:47:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:53:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: John Carel Subject: Re: crysalis? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >is crysalis this weekend on the 17th? > -evolution- > tom Due to lack of spaces, Chrysalis will not happen this Saturday. Hopefully we'll find one in the near future. -john From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 03:20:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA05604; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 03:20:37 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA05597; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 03:20:33 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id DAA03037; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 03:16:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 03:16:09 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Lee Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Politics of Fun (was Re: Bad Apples... In-Reply-To: <9602091632.AA12459@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Friends & Family, My computer tells me that on Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Lee Fogel shared: > Starchild: > > People who go to raves are usually interested in having fun. Fun > > is not high on the priority list of most people in government. > > Lee: > Sure it is. Everyone likes to have fun! "People must not do things for fun. We are not here for fun. There is no reference to fun in any Act of Parliament." -A.P. Herbert (1890-1971) in "Uncommon Law" (1935) Would that it were so, Lee. > > If it > > were, they would be less interested in law and order, > > Hasn't it occurred to you that implementing law & order is one of > the ways that *they* have fun? That is a truly sadistic prospect. Even if it is true for some of those bent on implementing "law and order" at the expense of freedom, I don't think you would get many of them to admit it. In any case, I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, even government thugs. :) I assume they do what they do out of a sense of duty, not because they enjoy making others unhappy. > > Many of our > > problems *do* lie within the system, because the values that we practice > > as ravers [...] are in > > conflict with the puritanical, consumer/control-driven values promoted by > > our government. > > Which is not much different than saying that many of our problems > are due to people who like to have fun in conflicting ways. > > This mindset explains comments like the one I heard at the San > > Francisco City Hall hearings on the ban on dancing after 2 a.m. for those > > under 18: "Dancing all night has no socially redeeming value," I recall > > one supporter of the ban saying. :( > > Yes, that is about as bad as someone saying that people in government > aren't interested in having fun. To clarify: I'm not saying that people in government aren't interested in having fun themselves, on their own time, or even at work in some cases. The bureaucratic outlook, however, strongly discourages the mixing of work and fun. Sure the humorless bureaucrat is a stereotype -- and like most stereotypes, this one contains some truth. Show me a person having a lot of fun in a government job, and I'll show you a person who's probably bending a few rules. Yours in liberty, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 09:05:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA06058; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:24 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA06035; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:20 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp412.liberty.com [206.17.67.76]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA12717 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:04:45 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960216170527.006a8810@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:27 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: A Hot Goa Trance CD.......... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Just picked up Boyd In The Void.......wooooow!!!!!!!, from Flying Rhino Records & Distance Track #5 Sheyba - Ganegh will blow you into another reality, straight or high....... get it get it get it, available at F-8. darkness out.......... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 09:05:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA06139; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:57 -0800 Received: from chronos.synopsys.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA06124; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:50 -0800 Received: from atropos.synopsys.com by chronos.synopsys.com with SMTP id AA16090 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:36 -0800 Received: from clotho.synopsys.com (clotho.synopsys.com [146.225.100.24]) by atropos.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA00196; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:35 -0800 Received: from [146.225.72.168] (epaul-mac.synopsys.com [146.225.72.168]) by clotho.synopsys.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA14843; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:05:32 -0800 X-Sender: epaul@macpo-1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:09:16 -0800 To: Dimitri K Gortinsky From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) Subject: Re: ride to SF on fri Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >santa cruz..ucsc. >sorry! >dimitri Yikes! That would be too taxing on my truck, which is chancy to drive (bad belt, bad brakes). I don't evern know yet if I'll have to drive, or if I can get a ride myself. I wish you luck. Can someone out there please help our brother Dimitri? :-) - E Eric P. Peterson Financial Assistant N&CS Materials Management Synopsys Inc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 10:24:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA14482; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:24:47 -0800 Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA14476; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:24:44 -0800 Received: from by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA03590; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:24:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:24:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199602161824.KAA03590@ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: sequoia1@ix.netcom.com (Chris Chervin ) Subject: Thanks for the turntable responses! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, Thanks to everyone who has or still will respond to my turntable question. I greatly appreciate it. It looks like Ortofon "nightclubs" and Stanton 680's are the favorites. As money dictates I will be going with the 680's. Mabey when/if I mix at parties I will look into investing in "nightclubs". Thanks a million everyone! love chris From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 10:31:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15097; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:31:20 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15084; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:31:15 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id KAA29484; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:39:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3124CB75.54D3@netcom.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:22:45 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: ameba@netcom.com Subject: andrews 303 broke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk andrew's 303 broke . -- salutations, allen@ameba _____________________________________ ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 mailto:ameba@netcom.com http://www.ameba.com | \ 415.750.9368 | \ ===================================== | / | / From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 12:00:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA25754; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:00:32 -0800 Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA25666; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:00:20 -0800 Received: from by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA23062; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:59:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:59:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199602161959.LAA23062@ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Harmony info... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Well, there is a bit of confussion about how everything is going on tonight... For the people that bought presale tickets, you need to go to the map point, which is Frequency-8 on Haight st. We will open the map point up at 8pm. There, you will trade the ticket that you have already purchased, for an admission ticket into the party. (Everyone going to the party needs to have an admission ticket, wether you are on the guest list or not!!!) For the people that have not bought the presale tickets, you can go to F-8, or Solid Grooves and pick one up. (I recommend calling them to make sure that they have them first.) Once you get your ticket, you will follow the same instructions as above. Thank you for all of your support, and we'll see you tonight!!! Peace, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 12:06:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA26458; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:06:20 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA26447; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:06:09 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.27] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:06:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:11:54 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: John Carel Subject: The Happening Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Happening - Friday, March 1st. 9 p.m. - 9 a.m. (415) 267-3927 (510) 464-5985 $8.00 before 10:30 - in a convenient S.F. location Your D.J.'s are DRC, Andre Lucero, Tracy, Thomas Trouble(Irish Thomas), Kelli. Ambient room includes Claire from Gateway Systems Japanese fire dancing (to be confirmed) Interested in helping? Call Thomas at 415.207.9058 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 12:36:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA29691; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:36:50 -0800 Received: from void.agames.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA29677; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:36:44 -0800 Received: from [192.245.82.146] (murphy.agames.com [192.245.82.146]) by void.agames.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA06861 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:38:57 -0800 X-Sender: radams@mail.agames.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:38:46 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: radams@agames.com (Rob Adams) Subject: (more) Harmony info... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Solid Grooves has ~50 tickets left, I'm going to pick up 4 in 20 minutes and if anyone is stuck, I may be able to grab some extra (2 or 3). Try to call me b4 1:00 pm 408 434 3700. Seeya all tonight! I'll be wearing the neat laminate and loud blue pants. _______________________________________________ Rob Adams, Animator Time Warner Interactive wk: radams@agames.com hm: radams@brainstorm.net wk: (408)434-3700 http://www.netchina.com/~radams/dgweb/ "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 13:31:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA05408; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:31:29 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05401; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:31:25 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA29000; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:30:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:30:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199602162130.QAA29000@emout05.mail.aol.com> Apparently-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Apparently-To: sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk e!?, arghh! Where can a poor sacramenten get them? Will there be a place open in s.f. on the friday night to get them? P.s. Amy I need your ph#. : ) Lovin & Stuff Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 13:44:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA06995; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:44:12 -0800 Received: from blizzard.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA06952; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:44:04 -0800 Received: by blizzard.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA11239; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:43:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:43:52 -0800 (PST) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@blizzard.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: New to list and area soon... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Most of these stores do not specialize in vinyl... If you are looking for vinyl, look at: http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfphone.html dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 13:46:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA07165; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:46:07 -0800 Received: from mailhost.pi.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA07142; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:46:01 -0800 Received: from pi-user.pi.net (Utr63.pi.net [145.220.194.63]) by mailhost.pi.net (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA20356 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:44:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 96 22:32:18 PST From: bart meijerink Subject: RE: andrews 303 broke To: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >andrew's 303 broke . >-- >salutations, allen@ameba >_____________________________________ >ameba 1732 haight street sf ca 94117 >mailto:ameba@netcom.com >http://www.ameba.com | \ >415.750.9368 | \ >===================================== > | / > | / > He should get it fixed. Bart. |Bart Meijerink |phone.... +31 (0)30-2625693 |fax...... +31 (0)30-2625693 (call first!) |email.... barttm@pi.net From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 14:05:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA09240; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:05:47 -0800 Received: from c00571-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA09226; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:05:43 -0800 Received: by c00571-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu (8.6.9/EC06jan95) id RAA17971; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:05:37 -0500 From: "Robert Alan Rousseau" Message-Id: <9602161705.ZM17969@eos.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:05:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Connection II tapes.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello from Raleigh, NC. It's been a long time, but I was wondering if anyone on this list might know how I could get a copy of the old Connection II party tapes (there were 4 I believe). I think it was a SFRAVES party like 2-3 years ago. Anyways, my copies eventually got lost through the past years and would love to get new ones. Thanks for the help. -Rob Rousseau -- ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Rob "Rarousse" Rousseau [] Computer Science | rarousse@unity.ncsu.edu [] North Carolina State University | rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu [] Raleigh, NC | Voice: 919.512.5227 [] Fax: 919.515.7619 >call me first | http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/r/rarousse/WWW/rob.html | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 15:19:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA17289; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:19:38 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA17276; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:19:32 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp401.liberty.com [206.17.67.65]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA15694 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:19:07 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960216231952.00696608@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:19:52 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: These Are the Stoires Of The California Highway Patrol, told from the otherside(Just da Facts, House Nation) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; These Are the Stories Of The California Highway Patrol, told from the other side(Just da Facts, House Nation) Diary of a Bust, Part 1, the Arrest: Date: 01/04/96 Time & Conditions: Approximately 4:00am, on a Dark, Drizzling, Thursday Morning Location: East Bay Bridge; East Bound, Lower Deck Vehicle Type: 1986 Chevy Station Wagon aka The Yellow Submarine Bob had just left a wonderful evening of raver activities, while at 1015 Folsum's Community, and was headed home. Feeling great!!!!, he decided to take the East Bay Bridge because it's the only way home(hint, hint, very important info). Fiddling, with the car stereo because it was one of those ones that required you to do that to get it to work, and because hearing Goa Trance was more important than Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness, driving was placed in the hands of the trusty autonavigator. An autonavigator is a place in your mind, and doesn't have eyes that normally would have noticed the California Highway Patrol car sitting in the darkness off to the right. This important visual que would have prevented my slow & clumsy entrance onto the lower deck of the East Bay Bridge, had it not been fixed upon the tape player which at this point, had still not come on. After about 500 hundred yards of poor auto navigation on an otherwise empty bridge, the recurrent imagery of the bridge itself, became an overwhelming que, that hey, we're on the East Bay Bridge; autonavigator off. When at the very same instance a car's headlights, too bright to have come up from a distance behind, suddenly flashed across my rear view mirror. His definition of fear suddenly redefined itself to the image of a police car closing slowly from behind. At this point many things were happening both externally & internally. Externally the police car got closer to him, and they both got closer to Treasure Island. Internally he was trying to restructure himself to appear to have some semblance of normalcy, figuring out what he had on his person, where & whether his licensed was suspended or not, also wondering what's in the car that I'm not aware of, and finally and to himself; if I get out of this I'm gone a go to church,.....NOT. While the lump in his throat grew & tightened they both approached the off-ramp for Treasure Island. About 500 yards from the off-ramp the police signaled with their really cool flashing, strobeing, blinking red, yellow & blue lights for him to exit the highway. All of sudden the tape player started to work, with LSD blasting out of it he thinks to himself just another one of those nights, and quickly turns off the music. Though he had the very same experienced many times before, you never ever get really comfortable with them. As they both made the twisty turns off the off-ramp the police were attempting to give him directions on their crappy wimpy PA where to go & stop the car; while he thought to himself, hmmm will I get out of dis one. They both passed another police car/law breaker combination, an thinking once again to himself hmmmm......that's odd. He though that at that time of the morning on a week night why were so many highway patrol people on the East Bay Bridge. The voice of the police over the PA broke his train of thought, with them blurting out "turn left & stop the vehicle". He complied with their command, and parked the vehicle in what looked liked a bus stop over looking the city of Oakland. Almost instantly Bob was greeted by a female voice & a halogen flashlight in his eyes. License & registration spouted the womyn, he replied I can't find my license, & the car isn't mine, but it is registered to my friend Joe Blow and I am authorized to use it while he is in Europe. All this time, the other police officer scanning my car for anything illegal. Sir do you know why I stopped you, and he replied in a very polite tone yes I was no doubt going to slow on the bridge officer, I was fiddling with my radio trying to get it to work because that's what you have to do to get it to work, and I guess I just wasn't paying any attention, and I'm real sorry, mam. The officer asked me where I was coming from, and where he was going to. Bob replied, a friends house & home, mam. She lowered the flashlight and I was greeted by an intelligent, mechanical, well trained in their profession, middle aged, 5'10", 200lb, plump Attila the Hun, on PMS. Sir have you been drinking alcohol tonight? He replied, no mam I don't drink, alcohol, because I don't like it & it doesn't like me. She then started checking to see whether or not his pupils responded to changes in light, by flashing the flashlight on and off. While all the time, asking him whether or not he had done any drugs like speed or cocaine tonight. He replied no, and she then asked him to turn the engine off and get out of the car. His heart rate quickened, and he thought to himself their going to take me in, fuck. He complied with her order, and that's when he met the other officer and that's also when both off them saw the way Bob was dressed. He stood before them dressed in an orange jacket, with black vinyl plants, and metal plated biker boots, Bob smiled, and said hello officer. He was greeted by a Julio Iglesias clone, and he actually felt a little relief over the appearance of such a cheery character. She returned to the to the nice shinny police cruiser, stating that "I don't know but he's on something". He then proceeded to take up where she left off, asking Bob the same sort of questions only repeatedly, and with a charged tone this time. Bob's fucus then became the also, well trained but quietly intelligence male officer in front of him who was riddling off new & old questions at what appeared to be an almost manic rate. He must have been asked 20 - 30 or more times the same question did you do speed or cocaine tonight, Bob's respondence no, every time with the occasional, officer if I tell you that I was doing speed or cocaine tonight I would be guilty of lying to a police officer, they continued their verbal assault. Bob was thinking to himself, jesus their not asking the right question should I give it to them,......NOT, I know I'm going in, I know I will get out, eventually, I'm going to make them work for it. That's when she got out of the car and said his license is suspended, he's FTA, I'll take the car, you search him, also she said I just called for a wrecker; & he thought to himself, I don't care about myself, but that's my friend's car, they can't impound it, fuck I'm going to be sooo embarrassed. His search turned up a pipe, bag of pot; containing less than an oz, and a unidentified small white tablet. Her search of the entire station wagon, hood to tail turned up a baggy which she was certain off contained speed, which Bob knew contained salt, and quietly giggled and thought to himself, what a dumb ass. Their search also turned up a collar & leash which amused them to no end. At this point Bob spoke up & said if you are sooo sure I'm drunk why don't you give me a breathazier, all the time fully knowing that he didn't have any alcohol and would blow a big flat 0. They jumped at the chance, and gave it to him, they performed it twice, twice getting the same result to their perplexed dismay. While Bob thought to himself, wah, wah. Then came the sobriety test. The male officer then preceded to give Bob a sobriety test which consisted of holding your head back and counting out loud amongst other tedious, & inane tasks all of which I passed. The officer conducting the tasks asked why are your shaking, Bob replied I'm scared. Then they started asking Bob all these other questions, like is there anything wrong with my car, was I a diabetic, was I on any/certain medications, all of which, less the car could be responsible for my pupils not responding to light & being what Bob was told where as large as quarters. Bob replied stupidly no, because he was unsure of the right answer that could have sprung him from his peril. But also told them of them medications he "believed he was taking" like Vicodin, Clariton-D, assorted antibiotics, Pepcid, & Riddlin. The female officer fluster a little what's Pepcid she said I've never heard of that one. Bob responded, not sure I think for my stomach, but various doctors have me on numerous medications really don't keep track of them to much, while also thinking to himself, got ya. After that ordeal then they both started asking me again, repeatedly, in harmony at times whether or not he did speed or cocaine. Bob, at that point was so fed up with it that if they had asked him if he was the uni-bomber he would have said yes, just to shut them up. Bob replied, ok yes, I snorted a tiny little line of speed tonight. At first they acted unconvincingly angry, and said aha ha lying to police officer that's felony. Bob replied, sorry I was scared you guys have the guns, and this has never ever happened to me before. They then looked sooo happy and then started asking me the usual questions like where, when with whom. I gave them no additional meaningful info. I added to my speed statement though I had snorted a little line, I seriously doubted that it would show up on any known test, while laughing out loud to himself. What's the little white pill asked the one officer? Bob replied it's Zinc for my stomach, I take it along with my Pepcid. He then started filling out paper work while the wrecker arrived and the other female officer quietly walked over to Bob, while in hand cuffs at this, and asked Bob what his very tight pants were made out of. Bob replied vinyl, and she replied with, that they looked like they would tear realy easily. Bob thought eeek, is she into vinyl, bondage, S&M or just wants to kill me. They then stuck me into the car and we headed off to the Hall of Injustice, it's about 4am or so now. Bob asked how long am I going to be in jail for. the female officer responded usually four to six hours from time of arrest if their not busy, then you either see the judge or they let you go and tell you to come back in thirty days for a court appearance. At this point Bob had no indication what he was being charged with, with no indication from them. They arrived at the police station shortly, and took him out of the car. The one officer asked Bob are you comfortable with your arms like that? Bob replied, yes of course can't you tell I'm weird office, and at that moment they entered the jail....... Part 2, JAIL: .........TO BE CONTINUED........... The names have been changed to protect the innocent & the guilty. But I think you can guess who I'm talking about, duh!!!!!!! darkness out........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 17:17:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA27799; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:17:21 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27792; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:17:16 -0800 Received: from brianvan (ppp401.liberty.com [206.17.67.65]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA22321 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:16:47 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960217011737.00693750@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:17:37 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Mike From Vulcan Warehouse Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Mike from Vulcan W, you used paged me and di not leave your number please call again or if your a friend of his pass the info on to either him or me at 800-590-4993 only, I will not be able to get back on, thanks From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 17:52:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA00400; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:52:51 -0800 Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA00393; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:52:47 -0800 From: Wurzle@aol.com Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA03981 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:52:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:52:31 -0500 Message-ID: <960216205231_324485729@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: LAST MINUTE RIDE TO HARMONY! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, both of my rides fell through at the last minute, and now I'm stuck here in santa cruz with a pretty crayon shaped ticket and no way to get myself to harmony. If any of you are going, and have extra space in your car (I'll ride in the glove box if I have to) then please page me ASAP at 684-4834. Any help at all you can give me will be appreciated. Thanks, Wurz§ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 18:23:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02795; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:23:20 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA02790; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:23:16 -0800 Received: (from fixer@localhost) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA29782; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:23:11 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199602170223.SAA29782@ramona.cyborganic.com> Subject: Technotika To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves), 313@hyperreal.com ((313) Email List) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:23:11 -0800 (PST) URL: Mission: To always fly under the radar X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just talked to the promoters, and they confirmed that plans fell through and the Detroit dj's from Underground Resistance, Rolando & Suburban Knight will NOT be in San Francisco tomorrow, Feb 17. -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Feb 16 19:53:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA08142; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:53:56 -0800 Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA08136; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:53:53 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA00437 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:53:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:53:28 -0500 Message-ID: <960216225326_424657241@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Thanks all, see ya tonight! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah, I got my Harmony tickets!! : ) Thanks to Sabin (Cloud)!! I have no idea whaty I'kl be wearing, but brobably a big red white & blue beanie hat, & a double laminate round the neck. I'll look for ya'll! Thanks again for everyones help! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 09:16:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03913; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:16:34 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA03899; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:16:29 -0800 Received: from [206.123.34.196] (g34-196.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02443; Sat, 17 Feb 96 12:12:55 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 12:21:21 -0500 To: SFraves@hyperreal.com (SFraves) From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: |NER| Autechre/Spacetime Continuum dates (FWD) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>From ne-raves-approval@facteur.std.com Sat Feb 17 02:45:52 1996 >Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 02:16:15 -0500 (EST) >From: Michael Hauben >To: nyc-raves@columbia.edu >Cc: ne-raves@world.std.com >Subject: |NER| Autechre/Spacetime Continuum dates >Sender: ne-raves-approval@world.std.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: Michael Hauben > > >Note sure if these were posted yet...Just found them on an >ambient digest from earlier in the week! > >SPACETIME CONTINUUM TOUR DATES >all dates are co-headlining with AUTECHRE and special guest DJ MARK BROOM > >3.6 - Manchester, NH (Flavor@The Cage) >3.8 - NYC (Home@Vinyl) >3.9 - Baltimore (Cloudwatch) >3.13 - Los Angeles (Public Space@Troubador) >3.16 - Ft. Lauderdale (Snyder Park) > >Sounds like a wicked ass time - anyone know when Tri Repeate is >being released domestically? (Combined with Garbage and Anvil >Vapr supposed, and I'm sure I misspelled one of those names! %) ) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Michael Hauben@columbia.edu Teachers College Dept. of Communications >Amateur Computerist Newsletter http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/acn/ >WWW Music Index http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/music/ > ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\==================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 13:31:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26026; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:31:04 -0800 Received: from elaine46.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26007; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:30:59 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine46.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id NAA20462; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:30:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:30:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: harmony Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk woop, what a shindig! these fellas really know how to throw a supervibey, elaborate party. The decorations were superb. The lighting and visuals were incredible. The music was hella phat (?), and there was so much of it to choose from! Actually, almost too much... when I was dancing in one room, I kept thinking "but wait, what am I missing in the other two rooms now?". I was really impressed that they opened the back stairway and the 'secret' chill room at the back of the first floor (I'm talking about Acme here). Lots of space to inhabit. What *really* impressed me were the fire extinguishers located in every room--it was great to see that effort went into not only the party fixings, but also the safety of the partygoers. This is particularly important at Acme, because that place could become a deathtrap rather quickly. As is always the case at Acme, it was really hot and there wasn't much to do about it. The doorpersons couldn't allow ins and outs, due to certain permit problems, but they did open up the garage door in front, letting a breeze in. That was nice. Ethan spun in place of some dude who got snowed in on the East coast... but frankly, I don't think I could have enjoyed anything more than Ethan's set anyway. Hooray for blizzards! It was a wonderful surprise. Tony spun around midnight, and he also *went off bigstyle*. He mixed the most diverse set I've heard in ages; thumpin house, acid, crazy breakbeats (!!!), and a Eurythmics song! (wait, that was Tony, right?) in all, one of the best parties I've ever been to. mo' later, jon "Where's the Beef?" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 15:07:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA06687; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:07:29 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA06679; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:07:26 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA06819 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:06:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:06:53 -0500 Message-ID: <960217180652_146869755@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Hey Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Organic tonight, i hope to see a ton of smiling faces. Look for me I don't know what ill be wearing but i will have blue jeans and a black backwards baseball cap. And i will wear laminate. Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 17:42:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA19956; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 17:42:55 -0800 Received: from oregon.uoregon.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA19948; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 17:42:48 -0800 Received: from [128.223.150.63] (cisco-ts7-line16.uoregon.edu) by OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #13764) id <01I1BTX086TC8ZKN2A@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 17:42:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 17:42:39 -0800 (PST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by OREGON.UOREGON.EDU From: drenalin@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (drenalin) Subject: Tech 1200's To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:17:33 -0800 >From: wyrd@axionet.com (Grum! & Berta:}) >Subject: Tech 1200's >Sender: owner-nw-raves@hyperreal.com >X-Sender: grum@passport.ca >To: nw-raves@hyperreal.com >MIME-version: 1.0 >Precedence: bulk > >Im currently on a bit of a biz trip here in Toronto, and Im comming accross >a bunch of techs (some still in the box) priced in the $400- $450 (Cnd) >range...is it just me, or is this price very good?? I've alredy picked up >me pair, and they're black too:) (oh yea...), anyway, if anybody is really >interested, I know of 3 or 4 pairs left in the $400 - $450 (Cnd) per range. > >peace > >Grumm! > >PS Im leaving for Van Mon evening. > >Wyrd@axionet.com >****************************************************************************** >WYRD- wierd Fate, strange power felt by those wrecked in time, fully > unspeakable, utterly. > > ~~WYRD what happens,~~ > ~~WYRD what becomes~~ ~~WYRD what is done.~~ >****************************************************************************** > ------------------------------------------------------------------- The Web Works - drenalin@priscilla.ultima.org Hyperreal Staff - drenalin@hyperreal.com New Media Center - drenalin@nmc.uoregon.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 18:37:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA24961; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:37:22 -0800 Received: from actcom.co.il by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA24945; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:37:08 -0800 From: amatoria@actcom.co.il Received: from p4.negev1.actcom.co.il by actcom.co.il with SMTP (8.6.12/actcom-0.1) id EAA10377 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 04:38:35 +0200 (rfc931-sender: p1.negev1.actcom.co.il [192.114.233.31]) Message-Id: <199602180238.EAA10377@actcom.co.il> X-Sender: amatoria@actcom.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 04:32:41 +0200 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ART.INDUST. X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk greetings all ! ARTIST : ART.INDUST. / ALBUM : Amatoria / TRACK : 'La Santa' IS the first track on ... HEARTS OF SPACE , (radio program in usa) , of this week (2/16/96-2/23/96) . http://www.hos.com/ comments are most welcomed . Enjoy ! efj . From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 18:48:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA25757; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:48:34 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA25751; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:48:30 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1b9); Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:48:26 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:48:09 -0800 To: Jonathan Mark Logan From: Amy Starkey Subject: Re: harmony Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:30 PM 2/17/96, Jonathan Mark Logan wrote: >woop, what a shindig! these fellas really know how to throw a >supervibey, elaborate party. >The decorations were superb. The lighting and visuals were incredible. >The music was hella phat Yeah, it was fun til the place filled up. By 1 am it was too hot and too humid for me to do ANY kind of dancing. It was so frustrating because the music WAS really good, but because of so many people it was *unbelievably* hot & humid. It was literally a steam sauna in there! I'm sorry but I sure as hell cannot dance in that kind of an environment. So I sat on my ass the entrire night in the upstairs chill room, because it was the only tolorable place to be temperature-wise. The vibe WAS really good - this party would have been incredible if it had been held in a larger place. Even the chill room was getting intolorable by 4:30 (still not much crowd thinning out) so I went outside to cool off a bit. Well, put it this way, the ONLY dancing I was able to do was to John Carel's set in the end upstairs. It never felt so good to dance - I had been waiting all night long to do it!! :) So we stayed and danced til the second floor closed off. I did get to meet some new sfravers: Robert Brown and Eric Peterson. It was so fun to introduce so many sfravers to each other. I probably nearly overwhelmed SteveO from Sacramento after introducing and pointing out fellow internet friends! :) So, overall, this would have been a most incredible wonderful party had it not been for the heat!! So there is this rave critic's review. :) love, Amy S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 19:09:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27596; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:09:02 -0800 Received: from tuna.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA27588; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:08:59 -0800 Received: (from moonpup@localhost) by tuna.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA13329; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:08:55 -0800 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:08:55 -0800 From: Milton Cecil Message-Id: <199602180308.TAA13329@tuna.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: new moon !! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello kiddies, we are gathering tonight for the New Moon in Aquarius. Dante, Ronan, Moonpup, Joe Rice, Kenneth Paul, and more....Bring fruit for the juice bar. Let's keep it underground-no buzz line, please. Call friends for number. Shamanic ritual at 10pm. Under a dark new moon, anything can happen...see you there. michelle From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 19:25:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28723; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:25:13 -0800 Received: from lynx.cs.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA28718; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:25:11 -0800 Received: from annex9.usfca.edu by lynx.cs.usfca.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA60428; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:19:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:19:24 -0800 Message-Id: <9602180319.AA60428@lynx.cs.usfca.edu> X-Sender: mdlanier@lynx.cs.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: mdlanier@lynx.cs.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: test! don't read! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i hope this works, because my e-accounts are all fucked up! later- matt l matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 19:26:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28952; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:26:47 -0800 Received: from lynx.cs.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA28946; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:26:44 -0800 Received: from annex9.usfca.edu by lynx.cs.usfca.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28690; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:20:58 -0800 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:20:58 -0800 Message-Id: <9602180320.AA28690@lynx.cs.usfca.edu> X-Sender: mdlanier@lynx.cs.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: mdlanier@lynx.cs.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: new moon/organic! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i hope harmony was cool for those who went to it, but i had to do that entirely human thing: sleep! i have 2 favors to ask people: 1) can someone give me the new moon number? i guess i'm not one of the elect who has it, but would like to me. 2) i'm also thinking of going to organic. is there anyone who would be able to do either of the following -bring me there from sf, or -pick me up from bart in the east bay? either way, i can help pay gas and such. please, pretty please, can someone call me with either of these bits of info? try 415-752-3218, and if that doesn't answer, try 415-939-8780 (cellular). thank you!!! peace, love, and dancing- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier /\ "peace within us, peace over us, lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu / \ peace under our feet. cellular 415-939-8780 / \ peace behind us, peace around us, home 415-752-3218 / ++++ \ let all around us be peace." / ++++ \ -david haas, prayer for peace / ++++ \ "i looked out my ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "deep within, window, saw the cross ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ i will plant my law. unaccesable, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ not on stone, saw the empty seats / ++++ \ but on your heart reserved for the wealthy, / ++++ \ follow me, the bread reserved for / ++++ \ i will bring you back the full, the wine for / ++++ \ you will be my own, the drunk, the roof / ++++ \ and i will be your god. for those with homes, /____________++++____________\ return to me, and wondered, ++++ with all your heart would jesus have been catholic?" ++++ and i will bring you back." -me, 1996 -david haas, deep within From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 20:05:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA01662; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:05:16 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA01655; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:05:13 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA22740; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:04:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:04:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199602180404.UAA22740@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler ) Subject: Harmony To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow!! What a night! We would like to thank all of you who came out last night for the party. It was simply beautiful!! Thank you soooo much for your support!!! And to the crew... thanks for all your help putting this one together. You really made it happen! Also, if anyone lost or left anything at the party call (408)486-9591 and leave a detailed message as to what you lost. (We found a whole bunch of stuff) In regards to Terry Mullan, he was snowed in at the Baltimore airport and could not get a flight out here. We have talked with him, and he will be spinning at our next party, (if mother nature lets him). Anyways, thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone for making last night really special!!! Peace, love, and harmony to all beautiful people, Greg :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 20:15:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA02207; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:15:13 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA02200; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:15:11 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA29488 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:15:04 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA08873 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:11:18 -0800 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:11:18 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199602180411.UAA08873@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: new moon tonite Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi! email me if you want directions to the new moon! -Ann From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 17 22:42:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA11688; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:42:56 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA11679; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:42:53 -0800 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA14500; Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:41:48 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199602180641.WAA14500@netcom4.netcom.com> Subject: Check your links ... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:41:48 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 535 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to sfraves mailist ] For those who have web browsing ability - try searching for your email address! I just did - I was surprised at how much of my sfraves stuff was publically accessible. Searching "Newsgroups" instead of the "Web" showed me all my recent postings to newsgroups since December 95. Interestingly , none of my posts to a certain alt.sex. newsgroup was listed ( this was with using the Alta Vista search service ). sfraves posts are public posts ( via hyperreal archives ) ... Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 18 01:32:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA24207; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:32:47 -0800 Received: from aurora.romoidoy.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA24201; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:32:44 -0800 Received: (from walrus@localhost) by aurora.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Non-Hub-112795) id BAA11152; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:32:55 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:32:54 -0800 (PST) From: Willis Wong To: SFRaves Subject: sweet dreams are made of these Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Harmony upstairs minight to two a.m. two hours get down take a deep bearth and rock your world after that I had no more energy and had to bail. but man that was more than enough for me. whew. any more o that and I'd a been passed out. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 18 08:25:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA21754; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:25:50 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA21746; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:25:46 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id IAA27847; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:25:40 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: n Date: 11 Feb 1996 18:03:17 GMT Message-Id: <53149.249603@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk n n n n n nn n n n does anyone know what is going on today? orWhat did?.......Please...the day is so beautiful........ send ok From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 18 08:37:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA22469; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:37:37 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA22464; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:37:34 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id IAA28342; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:37:31 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: ? Date: 18 Feb 1996 08:37:16 GMT Message-Id: <61406.1163148@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What is UP with the new moon, somebody, please....................tonight From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 18 09:28:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA26520; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:28:13 -0800 Received: from mail.ico.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA26511; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:28:10 -0800 Received: from island-3.sc.scruznet.com by mail.ico.net with SMTP (5.65/950621.1) id AA04994; Sun, 18 Feb 96 09:28:05 -0800 Message-Id: <9602181728.AA04994@mail.ico.net>