From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 00:51:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA24934; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:51:46 -0800 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA24929; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:51:43 -0800 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.3/UCD3.4) id AAA27624; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:51:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 00:51:36 -0800 (PST) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: blah blah blah Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I know I probably shouldn't write this but... I was in line at a place in Santa Ana California (that' behind the Orange curtain in case you didn't know) and there was this S.A.P.D. dude in front of me discussing his taxes with another guy in line. Turns ou that this member of Santa Ana's finest was pulling down a cool $80K for that year between his regular cop pay, pay for doing traffic school and doing speaches on not doing drugs to little kids and God knows what else. I don't think that $80K is shit money. No one can convince me that cops don't get paid. I'd be happy with $45K. As long as I had enough to make rent, get some macaroni and cheese and buy new records, I wouldn't complain! :D Happy new year and happy holidaze! --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 01:37:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA26385; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:37:32 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA26380; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 01:37:29 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA24965; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 04:36:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 04:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: <960101043623_28633363@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: CurtSF17@aol.com, JohnTeen0@aol.com, SFBoy15@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com, nori@wired.com Subject: happy new year Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HAPPY NEW YEAR, be safe, have a good time! Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 05:15:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA06106; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 05:15:44 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA06101; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 05:15:41 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA21672; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 05:15:30 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA10894; Mon, 1 Jan 96 05:15:29 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21838; Mon, 1 Jan 96 05:15:25 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9601011315.AA21838@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: begin again To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 1 Jan 96 5:15:11 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, it's 5am, just taking another break from Begin Again. I'll go back in a couple of hours. Great warehouse party; lot's of people having fun. I guess I would have had a better time if I could've stopped thinking how easy it would be to die there. When people go to an illegal warehouse party, they kinda know that they are taking some risks. But this $20 advance sale New Year's Eve party was promoted, perhaps unwittingly, as something else. The question to me is not whether people feel like they got their money's worth, but whether a party like that should've been thrown in a space like that to begin with. It may have been blast, but it seemed a bit irresponsible to me this time around. Lee ___________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 11:03:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20774; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:03:05 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20769; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:03:03 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA05796; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:58:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 10:58:35 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Fogel Subject: Re: begin again To: Lee Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9601011315.AA21838@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Lee, I couldn't agree with you more. We got to the party at about 1am after getting our fill of the trance party (more on that later). After greeting galen at the door who looked worried, (but still managed to smile saying hello and being the usual super nice vibey guy), he told us it was packed in there and recommended the top or basement floors, which he said were the least hot. As soon as we got to the top of the stairs we were greeted with this wall of humidity, and as soon as we stepped through the door I was greeted by this big guy passing out and falling in my direction. After helping him break his fall, I started reaching down to check his pulse when some of his friends came to help him up as he was reviving and looking embarrassed. Walking into the middle of the room, I saw Lee, and Jeoff W. standing on the side with big smiles on their faces. Also got introduced to John L. who also looked to be in good spirits. Feeling some of the positive energy flowing I jumped onto the dance floor and danced for about 15 min. and realized I was getting pretty hot and could use a rest and a refill of the water bottle. After sliding into the back room, it was nice to be greeted by a big fan. Spent about 5 min back there before I had my fill of smoke and decided to head back toward the music. After coming to a stand still and unable to get thru the thick crowd for a little while, the thought flashed thru my mind, what if there was a fire now. Yikes, I thought, and how nice my home enviroment suddenly seemed. With the opportunity to dance at boogie buffet, we decided to make more room for others and move on to a safer more comfortable enviroment, home. In spite of the heat and crowdedness, I was a bit amazed as to how nice the vibe was, and how well people seemed to be enjoying themselves. Back to the trance party review: Decided to check out the trance party first. Upon arriving, we were impressed with the space, very high ceilings, some nice visuals, beach sand floor, and a nice crowd. Enjoyed dancing and hanging out for a while. Just around midnight the place got real crowded, with the crowd looking more and more filled with the "amatuer night crowd." After getting alittle overwhelmed with the crowd and super fast music, we decided to check out begin again. Overall I thought it was a really nice party for nye, with a great space. Fortunately angela and I went out to party with low expectations, being prepared to go home early if it was overcrowded. So happy to fulfill society's expectations to be at and party on nye. Today looks like a beautiful day and I think I'm going to try and make to the boogie buffet thing as I still got some energy in my legs and hope there's some of that old boogie buffet majic. happy new year :) peter On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, Lee Fogel wrote: > > Well, it's 5am, just taking another break from Begin Again. > I'll go back in a couple of hours. Great warehouse party; > lot's of people having fun. I guess I would have had a better > time if I could've stopped thinking how easy it would be to > die there. > > When people go to an illegal warehouse party, they kinda know > that they are taking some risks. But this $20 advance sale > New Year's Eve party was promoted, perhaps unwittingly, as > something else. The question to me is not whether people feel > like they got their money's worth, but whether a party like that > should've been thrown in a space like that to begin with. It may > have been blast, but it seemed a bit irresponsible to me this time around. > > > Lee > ___________________________________________________________________________ > lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 11:55:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23296; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:55:45 -0800 Received: from python.magnet.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA23291; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:55:42 -0800 Received: from G5-200.citenet.net by python.magnet.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13664; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:56:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:56:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9601011956.AA13664@python.magnet.ca> X-Sender: spooky@mail.magnet.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: spooky@python.magnet.ca (renae satterley) Subject: intro Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everybody! (said in Grover-like voice) My name is Renae and i just wanted to introduce myself to the list. I've been on for about a month now, not counting the time i was on last year for a while. Since i live in Montreal, you're probably wondering why i'm subbing to this list. Whelp, it's because i'm planning on moving to sf in the spring/summer of 96! And yes, i am very excited. I've been r**ving (on and off) since about 1993. And for me, it's all about 3 things: the music, the dance and the people. As far as i'm concerned, you can't have one without the other, but at the same time, one can't take precedence over the other. Other main concerns right now: getting more people aware about other things. In other words, incorporating a more holistic experience into the rave experince. I'm talking earth concerns, expolitation concerns, etc. etc.. So obviously, san fran is a good choice to learn from how a scene uses other factors in the rave experience. Another concern: hee hee, trading fliers with someone/s from san fran. Yes, it's cheesy, but so what! There's some really great stuff being put out by flier designers, and i'd like to see stuff from all over. So if anyone's interested, email me please! Lastly, but not leastly, can anyone tell me if there is a digest command for the list? Thanks for hearing me out, and i hope i get to meet some of you in the near future! Lurve, Renae ` ~~~ spooky@magnet.ca ~~~ aka renae satterley "Nothing is ever the same as they said it was.It's what I've never seen before that I recognize." -Diane Arbus From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 14:22:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA04810; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:22:09 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA04802; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:22:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 14:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: Lee Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: begin again In-Reply-To: <9601011315.AA21838@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'll have to agree with Lee - if I had known it was going to be at the space it was at, I would have thought about other places. It's not so much the structural integrity that worried me - although that was a worry, anyone remember the fire at the underground club in new york 5-7 years ago that killed a bunch of people? - it was that *so* many people were cramped in there, and the place really doesn't handle crowds well. Some places you can pack and it still feels comfortable - 1015 Folsom for example - but that space definitely doesn't. Other strikes: an overdriven sound system downstairs combined with uninsulated turntables (meaning the needle skipped about once every two minutes, more often on a sharp-bass track - poor Ethan!), no real chill space, and no ins/outs. On the positive side, the projections were pretty nice... but ultimately not compelling enough to keep me past 1:30 or so, when I left. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate sweatbox-style parties. I can appreciate labyrinthian clubs and minimalism. I loved the parties at the Flophouse in Oakland 3-4 years ago. But they never felt quite as oppressively crowded as this place did. In the end I rationalized that the $40 Laura and I spent to attend was also money for past and future Sunset parties, so in that respect I was happy to support Pacific. But the party wasn't half as entertaining as the drive home along Brannan past the fashion center, and then Market through Castro. :) Brian From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 15:15:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA07415; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:15:02 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA07392; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 15:14:58 -0800 From: Czefir@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA10903 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:14:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:14:23 -0500 Message-ID: <960101181423_29023554@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Begin Again, again Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My first _real_ rave. And I had _a _lot_ of fun, until about 12:30 when it got WAY to crowded and claustrophobic. If I had known there were going to be so many people I would have made more of an effort to get there right when it started, My friends and I got there around 11:00. Otherwise, loved the music, the people, had a really cool time. Czefir From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 16:33:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA11251; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:33:27 -0800 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA11246; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:33:23 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA13693; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:30:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199601020030.QAA13693@netcom23.netcom.com> To: Grigsbeast cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Burning Man In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Dec 95 23:01:46 PST." <199512300701.XAA13869@jobe.shell.portal.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 96 16:30:02 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk please note that i was in no way "dissing" the burning man organization nor claiming that their job was easy. all i was saying is that it would be a pity to lose the momentum and the "red carpet" set up by the nearby towns and police organizations during labor day weekend. if the BM organization isn't going to do anything out on the playa in '96, i suggest that there is an opening for a responsible group to do a "burning rave" in '96. this would include all the setup, portapotties, fundraising or kickbacks to the local community, cleanup, water, etc .... and sale of tickets to offset the cost of the endeavor. i don't quite understand why people were assuming otherwise. and i'm not claiming i'd be able to organize or setup such an event any better than the BM org. I program and shmooze for a living; i don't claim to be an organizational whiz, promotions king, or any of that... If BM '96 doesn't happen, then that will be a shame. PS: but yes, i found the burning anticlimactic, and found myself having more fun raving both nights at the wicked camp... the whole burning man schtick being a cool sideshow and an excellent chillout experience between raving. PPS: i'm writing you all from behind the orange curtain where the weather is warm and the people are (for the most part) annoying, self- righteous, and vapid. Looking forward to returning to SF soon! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 16:46:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA11927; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:46:58 -0800 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA11917; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:46:55 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA14835; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 16:43:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199601020043.QAA14835@netcom23.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: looking for CD DJ mixer in SF area Date: Mon, 01 Jan 96 16:43:40 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk One of my new year's resolutions is that I'm going to purchase a dual CD mixer thingamabob soon. I was wondering if anybody has recommendations for a good place to look at these in SF -- i want to evaluate a bunch of different brands and figure out which i like the best. I plan to check out my favorite pro-audio store when i get back to the bay area (Audio Images in SF) but I'm looking for other recommendations too. also, if anybody has recommendations for reputable mail-order places, and particular units that i should look at, please let me know. i'm looking for high-end, good sounding, high quality units under $3000.00 and my focus is to find a system that is easier to use than the braindamaged user interface on the Denon 2000's that I've tried. Thanks in advance. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 18:52:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA20036; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:52:39 -0800 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA20030; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:52:37 -0800 Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA04740; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:48:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 18:48:06 -0800 (PST) From: "D. Ronan Hallowell" Reply-To: "D. Ronan Hallowell" Subject: Re: begin again To: Lee Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9601011315.AA21838@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I didn't attend Begin Again but I have a few comments to make. First off this definitely was not the same Begin Again as last year and it was in poor taste for Pacific to use this name seen as how they did not even contact the two other principle producers of last years party (myself and Dan Mapes). Second it was somewhat irresponsible to use that space and charge $20. It is an okay space when its not too crowded but it is dangerous and highly bustable with that many people. Luckily it didn't get busted. I commend Galen and Pacific for everything they have done for the scene but it is not cool to think your the shit and blow off other people who are also important contributers to the scene. It was lucky that the party went off okay , it easily could have have been a disaster. It sounds like it was a decent party and I'm glad that people had a good time however I hope that rave culture can begin to move forward and innovate. So much of it is stale and not really as visionary as one would hope it would be. We need more than just self-indulgence and ego gratification. I still believe that rave has alot to offer but we must confront the issues that are holding us back from moving to the next level. I wish everyone the best for the new year. I hope to be part of a new phase of rave that can truly raise our consciousness. Peace, Ronan "Strive to see supernal light. For I have brought you into a vast ocean. Strive to see yet escape drowning." - Isaac of Akko From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 22:32:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA04803; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 22:32:35 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA04797; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 22:32:30 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp414.liberty.com [206.17.67.110]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00385; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 22:44:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 22:44:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199601020644.WAA00385@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Ulrike Laitko , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Darkness Subject: New Years Eve Report Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Sweet Ulrike + >!!!!!! BY YOUR COMMAND FOR EVERYONE ELSE; History repeats itself once again, well almost. Well, I started out earlier in the week with a ticket to Begin Again. The minute I heard where it was going to be held, & the number of tickets sold, I thought, wait didn't F&F try and pack 750 people in there and it was soo overcrowded, dangerously overcrowded. So I went on my merry little way thinking, well I guess I just have to deal with it considering there's nothing else I'm interested in going to. Then the Cybertrance party came up, and of course being a the Trance Hound that I am, I decided to go there instead, and initially told Wayne to sell my ticket. Later, I did some more thinking and thought, well I like what Pacific does, even though I'm usually way to ate up on Sunday to attend, and/or do anything short of sex or sleep. Ya no, but a little bust insurance never hurt, this way I would have a place to go in case the Cybertrance party got busted. Well the Cybertrannce party went off wonderfully, not too crowded, not too undercrowded, beautiful naked people running around, a hot tub, a massage therapist(me), a sand covered dance floor(next time Mars tell me & I won't wear vinily clothes, skin, sand & that material cannot peacfully coexsist in the same space, mainly my body I'm still itchy) , a minorly troubled sound system(very early on), a chill area, great DJ's Mars, Adam, who was the UK surprize I never did find out, ...etc, killer Goa Trance all night long(my kinda rave, where House is just something you live in), lots o new friendly faces, & a great space which never got too hot because of 30 foot+ ceilings. All in all a great night an the Cybertrance Party. So why did history repeat itself, because if you remember last year I had a ticket to Cruel World, and blew it off because we all know I hate big, commerialized parties, and went to Begin Again instead, at Bryant Street, Cyberlabs old HQ(still the best place to throw parties in SF, dats a fact). The almost part comes in because Pacific is in no way, shape or form, a commerial party promoter, it was just a big party But around 8pm I actually did show up to say high, and to see if there were lot o happy faces, and there were at Begin Again, many which I recognized. Which in the end made me miss Ulrike even more, wah!!!!, see ya Friday hon = >, and come back to us safe & happy. Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 1 23:15:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA06539; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:15:58 -0800 Received: from violet.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA06533; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:15:56 -0800 From: trose@violet.berkeley.edu Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.7.1/1.33r) id XAA19505; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:15:52 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 23:15:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Eat Static tix are in! To: Illumin8 cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199512210429.UAA09348@slip-1.slip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is it really true? no eat-static(and guests)... :( :( :( :( :( On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Illumin8 wrote: > > Eat Static (and guests) will be here in SF on Thursday, Jan 4th at the Sound > Factory. 10pm - 10am (whew! better call in sick). > > Pre-sale tix for $10 at F-8 and other fine stores. $15 at the door. > > DJ lineup TBA. > > later... > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 07:45:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA07857; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:45:35 -0800 Received: from org.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA07852; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:45:30 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.199] by org.org with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:45:25 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 07:45:23 -0800 To: crunch@well.com (John Draper) From: "Rusty H. Hodge" Subject: Re: Tibul Funk Bust Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >searched and harrassed even when walking around. While walking into town, >one gung ho officer threw me against his car, removed my "bum bag" and >emptied it on the parking lot, right in front of my clients store. John- You can get away with being a freak in the city when you're in the city. If you try to be a freak in the 'burbs, and you're usually getting hassled in Marin, right?, you're gonna get hassled. They aren't used to your type there! -- Rusty Hodge Hodge [Interactive] Productions 801 Minnesota Ave. Studio 9 San Francisco CA 94107 tel +1.415.826.9500 fax +1.415.641.7773 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 08:53:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA11977; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:53:10 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA11971; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:53:07 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id IAA25491; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:53:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 08:53:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199601021653.IAA25491@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: begin again X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Lee Fogel wrote: >Great warehouse party;lot's of people having fun. I guess I would have had a >better time if I could've stopped thinking how easy it would be to die there. I had a pretty great time there, but there was a moment while sitting in the far back corner of the basement looking up at the floor of the main room and considering the structural integrity of the ant farm I was in. My mind flashed to the million people in there, then to the three foot wide staircases, then what if a fire broke out here? Pondered whether I would die of smoke inhalation or the fire it self. Then I relaxed and went and danced. Ok, enough complaining.... Freaky Chakra kicked ass. Sorry to the young woman trying to sing and play flute into the microphone that kept feeding back. Much to close to the speaker I guess. They were totally amazing though. The guy running all of the equipment really knew his shit and was well practiced. Really, really good live electronic music. It was really cool because nothing happened or changed unless he made it happen. He seemed to have the equip. on pattern mode and arranged the music how he pleased by swiching from pattern to pattern. This is somthing I don't believe I've seen done before, because he was totally in control. Many props to FC, and know that I would love to see them perform again. This was the highlight of the night for sure. Happy 1996! Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 10:50:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18719; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:50:59 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18714; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:50:56 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp412.liberty.com [206.17.67.108]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA29950 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:02:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:02:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199601021902.LAA29950@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Darkness Subject: A Techno New Years Eve in Berlin, Germany Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Here ya go, a little bit of a Techno New Years Eve, from Berlin Germany, less some more personal stuff, you understand, I'm sure = > >X-POP3-Rcpt: brianvan@liberty >Return-Path: laitko@hpbio1.Biologie.HU-Berlin.de >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:24:26 +0200 (MESZ) >From: Ulrike Laitko >Subject: happy new year >To: brianvan@liberty.liberty.com > >dear brian, >i wish you a very happy new year,too. >i'm glad to read your new years party was all right, what you reported >about it sounded really awesome at last. mine was wonderful, too, i spent >the night with roland and 1000 other happy people in berlins biggest techno >club. endless party with berlins best djs for 20 bucks. no hot tub, though, >but stages to dance on. >roland was exhausted at 9.30 am on new years morning, but the party actually >ended with a big chillout from 11 pm until the morning of the second >january. >looking forward to seeing you friday, sweetie. >love, ulrike Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 10:58:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19497; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:58:46 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA19492; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:58:43 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tXBuy-000D8xC; Tue, 2 Jan 96 10:58 PST Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:58:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: begin again To: Brian Behlendorf cc: Lee Fogel , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jan 1996, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > I'll have to agree with Lee - if I had known it was going to be at the space > it was at, I would have thought about other places. It's not so much the > structural integrity that worried me - although that was a worry, anyone > remember the fire at the underground club in new york 5-7 years ago that > killed a bunch of people? - it was that *so* many people were cramped in > there, and the place really doesn't handle crowds well. Some places you can > pack and it still feels comfortable - 1015 Folsom for example - but that > space definitely doesn't. Other strikes: an overdriven sound system > downstairs combined with uninsulated turntables (meaning the needle skipped > about once every two minutes, more often on a sharp-bass track - poor wait, about the chill space. wasnt there one downstairs, and another one upstairs (where no music could be heard, meaning ya could talk to people without screaming - a nice touch). anyways, i had a good time. about needles skipping, it looked like something was done to minimize it, i remember seeing lots of concrete blocks with space right in front of the dj blocked off. sometimes there just isnt much else that can be done, with so many people moving in one rythm on a wooden dance floor. its bound to skip... *great way to start the new year, IMHO.* much love for ya'll:) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 11:00:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA19748; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:00:29 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19733; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:00:22 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA24600 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:59:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199601021859.KAA24600@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 11:18:48 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream@tgrigsby.com) Subject: Re: cops and all that X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >enforcement -- I only see the cops that fuck with me for no reason, like >detaining me outside the 7-11 one block from my house and questioning me >about my destination, friends, what tattoos I might have (!), etc., while >a police copter hovered overhead with the searchlight pinning me down. (snip) >For many cops I've experienced, the perk is being able to >abuse people verbally and physically, and then hide behind a badge. I can't speak to your personal experience, but I too have been pulled over several times by the cops while walking down the street. I answered their questions, submitted to searches, gave them any information they asked for, and then went on my way. You didn't mention what kind of treatment you got. All the policemen I dealt with were professional enough, and I didn't feel overly threatened. They were doing their jobs. No physical or verbal abuse. Of course, I didn't give them a hard time, verbally abuse them, call them names, question their authority, refuse information, etc. >Don't you sometimes wonder what it would be like >to drop a human instead of those stupid carboard silhouettes? Wouldn't >it give you a sort of black joy to be able to squeeze off on the poor >bastard who thought he could run from the steel-cap boot of Justice? Is this an insight into what would go through your mind if you were a cop? Cause I can tell you, this would NEVER go through my mind. Yeah, there are assholes everywhere -- Mark Fuhrman is a prime example -- but I too have friends that are law enforcement officials and they have told me that, by far, the overwhelming majority of cops are decent people, just following the dictates of their job. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 11:04:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20033; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:04:45 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20024; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:04:41 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp412.liberty.com [206.17.67.108]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02185; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:15:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:15:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199601021915.LAA02185@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "D. Ronan Hallowell" , Lee Fogel From: Brian Darkness Subject: Re: begin again Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Please define what your vision of the "next level" would look like, to you, I'm just curious, and no judgements will be made because it's YOUR vision. Sin; Brian Darkness Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 11:14:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20603; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:14:07 -0800 Received: from inmarkinmark.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20598; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:14:02 -0800 From: laural@inmark.com Received: (from ugate@localhost) by inmarkinmark.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id KAA17308 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 10:41:24 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail by ugate.inmark.com id AA820609792 Tue, 02 Jan 96 11:09:52 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 11:09:52 Message-Id: <9600028206.AA820609792@ugate.inmark.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: innovation? (and Begin Again) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ronan wrote about raves needing to be innovative. This sounds interesting, but what do people think this means? I've been going to parties off and on since 1992, and they're all basically the same in a structural sense: a space, music, visuals, people. Music gets played all night, continuously mixed. Occasionally there is a live performance or two. The only things I've seen change over the years are the music styles (there's more of them now) and the people (there's more of them now). So, what would people like to see happen? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Begin Again Nice large happy party filled with people having fun, except for me, who once got trampled in the Washington DC Metro on 4th of July and so have fears of being in crowds of people I don't know very well. The sound coming out of the speakers downstairs was so loud that I could feel the pressure waves hitting me in the chest. It hurt so I moved to the back of the room, where there was a breeze every time the doorpeople opened the door, the slide-up garage door (in case of fire, earthquake, or the upstairs floor coming down), and some space to move in. Unfortunately, it was also an echo trap, so everything coming out of the sound system sounded horribly distorted by the time it got to my ears. I really tried to loosen up and enjoy myself, but after an hour I noticed I kept longing for my sofa and my cat. Brian and I stuck around until about 1:30, and then decided that we'd gotten our $20 worth (in inflated New Year's party dollars) and went home. On the up side, there was an impressive DJ/PA list, interesting visuals (but I swear I've seen those Lawnmower Man-ish morphing body loops before), and free water. A huge number of people were having fun, and nothing disasterous happened. On a scale of 0-5, I'm giving it a 2, for "worse than average but not *really* bad." Your mileage may vary, especially if you aren't plagued with fears of going deaf due to distorted sound or of dying in a fire. Laura From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 11:17:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20795; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:17:10 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20779; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:17:03 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.234] (sr-tty24-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.234]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA28139; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:12:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199601021912.LAA28139@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:18:03 +1000 To: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.com (Lee Fogel) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: begin again Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >The question to me is not whether people feel >like they got their money's worth, but whether a party like that >should've been thrown in a space like that to begin with. It may >have been blast, but it seemed a bit irresponsible to me this time around. > I definately thought it was kinda steep in price and WAY TOO MANY TICKETS were oversold for a venue of that size. I was led to the conclusion that a proper number of tickets would be sold for this venue and that they would get snapped up quickly. Although they DID get sold out, but probably because people had an impression that it would be like last year's party. I'm not knocking anything, I'm just stating some facts, thats all. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 11:24:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA21231; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:24:13 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA21226; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:24:08 -0800 Received: from psychoactive.com by ultima.org; Tue, 2 Jan 96 11:16 PST X-Sender: joe@mail.ultima.org (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 11:31:24 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: joe@psychoactive.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: begin again Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:48 PM 1/1/96, D. Ronan Hallowell wrote: > >Second it was somewhat irresponsible to use that space and charge $20. It >is an okay space when its not too crowded but it is dangerous and highly >bustable with that many people. Luckily it didn't get busted. > I wouldn't call it highly bustable. Of the several parties held there, F&F was the only one busted that I'm aware of, and that was somewhat of a fluke. As far as the price, the space owners more than tripled their usual fee for that location, explaining some of the need for higher ticket costs. Even though I initially got in on the guest list, I ended up spending $20 on an unused ticket for a friend and I feel it was worth it, especially considering all of the free parties Galen's done. I do think it was overcrowded - 200 fewer people would have been nice - and there weren't enough staff. When the power kept going out in the basement it was extremely difficult to find someone who knew where the breaker was and even then they were to busy working the door to do anything about it. I wonder how many people knew where there were any additional exits in case a fire had occured. (which could have been a real possibility considering the condition of the fuse box there - I accidentally brushed lightly against a breaker and it sparked and came loose from the box.) Despite the safety concerns it was an excellent party, and the vibe during Ethan's set at midnight was exceptional. Even sober, I had a great contact high from everyone there. Joe (:Joe Rice:__________:tic-tac@psychoactive.com:__________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 12:05:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA23904; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:05:53 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA23899; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:05:50 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.30] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:05:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:06:27 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Ethan Miller Subject: Re: innovation? (and Begin Again) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:09 AM 1/2/96, laural@inmark.com wrote: > The sound coming out of the speakers downstairs was so loud that I > could feel the pressure waves hitting me in the chest. It hurt so I > moved to the back of the room... No dis to wicked intended *at all* but we really need to design a custom Purple People Pusher LIMITER to be inserted into the signal chain right after the mixer resulting in a 30 db flat cut with another 10 db notch around 250 hz. That system just routinely destroys my hearing. argh... On that note I might add the following: it's *really* hard to tell what the main system sounds like when you're behind it. If I'm ever playing and it's hurting your ears, *please* feel free to come tell me and I will happily turn it down. happy new year! ethan ----------------------------( ethan miller )---------------------------- ------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------ --------------------------------( acid )-------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 12:33:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA25591; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:33:23 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA25583; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:33:18 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.98]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28601; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:44:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:44:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199601022044.MAA28601@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Darkness Subject: RE: Cybertrance NYE & Newbies Cc: Peter Fogel Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Opps, almost forgot regarding the Cybertrancee thang, if I had to sum it up in a few words. I have this vision in my head of what the biblical city of Sodom & Gormora must have been like, the Cybertrance party fit that vision rather nicely. Oh Pete, I took what you said positivity regarding "newbies", but just for clairity, I would like to say we were all "newbies" once, and that this is a good thang. New & more interest in the Techno art is a reflection of how creative, & fresh our scene is. Everyone who does what they do to make our scene what it is, & keep it going should take great pride in that fact that they are innovators, creating something new, different & wonderful. Giving us, as individuals more CHOICES in this life time. Some would say this is a bad thing & that it will ruin what ever community we have together. Well, we never tried to be unpopular, were not the Cure, and even they failed at doing that. Positive, loving, respectful people, & Psychoactive music that makes you & your body smile I hope will always draw new people closer to it. Because I fear the day when those items listed above become unpopular or unfascionalble. One of the main reasons I became attracted to our scene in the first place was while I was in massage school. I saw a generation of people touching & hugging each other, people taking about love, respect, tolerence & responsibility while having a hella good time. Despite the use of the "love drug" carried these beliefs out & touched the world with them. I was just totally compelled to support & be a part of this. Hell, I think, there would be something wrong with you if you weren't draw to some of the truely positive things our scene promises and delievers. I personally have the attention span of 3 year old, & would be really unhappy if I had to live with Rock & Roll for the rest of my life. Though R&R are my roots & I still like the new stuff that's coming out, I spend my CD money on Techno related items. In fact the more trance CD's I get, the less of the R&R stuff I play. Right now our scene is wonderful, it has it's problems just like everything else in life. Ya know there may become a time somewhere in the future when I will take a look at our scene, and not be able to recogize it. It is then, that I hope the restless & resilent creative force of this grid we call Earth provides us with yet something wonderfully positve, new & different. Once again taking some of us by the hand to yet another special place. Look for me there and that's where you will find me. Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 13:00:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA29362; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:00:19 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA29240; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:00:02 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA13065; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:56:08 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199601022056.MAA13065@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: RE: begin again To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 12:56:07 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1270 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes, it was overcrowded. Yes, I thought about the dangers. Yes, there were even holes in thin plywood in the main floor where you could see right through to the basement. Yes, there were floods from the bathrooms, Yes, It was fantastic! I got there at 11:50, said Yeaaa, etc. Checked out the whole place, and settled into one amazingly wonderful set by Ethan. Thank You tons Mr. Ethan for setting my evening up just right. I was soooo happy that you were there at that time. It was total bliss. The best part of the party for me was that throughout the evening, the music on all three levels was really interesting. Everyone was playing stuff that I thought was very innovative. I havn't been to a party that was this interesting musically. I heard two DJs in the basement play some very ambient like trip-hop stuff that fit right in with the cold concrete and the dark chill. The stuff played on the top floor was very slow and bizare sometimes. I was always suprised by what the DJs were doing. Very groovy, very refreshing. Stuff I've never heard before on the middle floor too. I'm a musician so I'm always looking for new ideas musically. I was very touched and inspired by what I heard at begin again. Thanks to all involved. -Darrel darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 13:01:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA29458; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:01:05 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA29439; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:00:59 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA21490 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:00:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:00:43 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Message-Id: <199601022100.NAA21490@well.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NYE 95 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I knew it was a long shot, but I had to give it a try. The Deadhead-oriented party that Bryce and I played at on Sunday turned out to be in a very nice place (maybe too nice), the crowd even older and less energetic than I expected, and the sound crew we were working alongside (with one important exception) infected with typical rockist uncooperative attitude. We got to play about an hour and a quarter all told, and when the band (rightfully, since it was really their gig) announced they were going to do a *third* set at 2 am, and the sound dude had plugged in a piss-poor Dead tape right when Bryce was about to drop Aretha on the assembled (and we had far better Dead tapes on hand if that was desired), we looked at each other and said, "our services are no longer required" and split early. So it was a nearly total waste of time. Except for the wonderful sunset we saw crossing the Golden Gate bridge on the way up, with the shining city off behind us to the right and the sky clear to the horizon. I still think it's possible to mix regular live bands with DJing, but it has to be *just so*. After all, Paul Oakenfold has been playing rock concerts for years, all the way up to U2-sized. The party organizer liked it when I played the downtempo mix of Towa Tei's "Technova," and Bryce played "I'll Tumble 4 Ya," and I even did a couple of house tracks, but it just wasn't gonna happen. No matter . . . look to the future! phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 13:24:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA01256; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:24:10 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA01247; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:24:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: Joe Rice cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: begin again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Joe Rice wrote: > At 7:48 PM 1/1/96, D. Ronan Hallowell wrote: > > > > >Second it was somewhat irresponsible to use that space and charge $20. It > >is an okay space when its not too crowded but it is dangerous and highly > >bustable with that many people. Luckily it didn't get busted. > > > > I wouldn't call it highly bustable. Of the several parties held there, F&F > was the only one busted that I'm aware of, and that was somewhat of a > fluke. Well, the sound was contained pretty well but there was a fire station *right* accross the street. I was kinda surprised they didn't stumble upon it. Good crowd, good vibe, good music, but it's hard to have too much fun in those kind of conditions. But I agree, 200 less tickets sold would have made it a much more comfortable and enjoyable party. We stopped by Stompy a couple times the next afternoon, nice place to unwind but I wasn't into the music that much, a little too slow and not stompy enough. I was hoping to catch Mark Farina, no such luck. Anyone know when he went on? Not a very memorable new years but who cares? It's just another day... Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 13:30:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA01637; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:30:27 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA01631; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:30:22 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id NAA06875; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:30:13 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:30:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199601022130.NAA06875@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Ethan Miller From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: innovation? (and Begin Again) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ethan wrote: >On that note I might add the following: it's *really* hard to tell what the >main system sounds like when you're behind it. If I'm ever playing and it's >hurting your ears, *please* feel free to come tell me and I will happily >turn it down. This is good to know, and a very nice gesture on your part. Thank you. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 13:56:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA03174; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:56:08 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA03167; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:56:06 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA25511; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 13:55:58 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA03381; Tue, 2 Jan 96 13:55:57 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20608; Tue, 2 Jan 96 13:55:55 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9601022155.AA20608@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: more begin again To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 96 13:55:53 PST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Despite my safety concerns I had a pretty good time at Begin Again while was there. I helped Daum (freaky chakra) with his sound check, which delayed things in the main room by almost an hour. Loren's set started things off nicely with some house and light trance. There was some tasty hip-hoppy stuff going on in the basement - who was the first DJ down there? Things got serious in the main room when Ethan took the helm. One song early in his set had a kind of electric feedback guitar sound that cut through me and caused the hairs on my neck stand up. Wow! The ear facing the speaker thanks Laura for the tissue paper. By 12, the place was packed. I wandered, navigating through writhing flesh, bumping into an assortment of familiar faces. Pleasant surprise to find J.S. Lee taking it in (John, did I smell ok?). A little after 1 I decided to take a break. Driving home was an adventure: from 1 to 5am many of the SOMA interections switch to blinking yellow lights, i.e. total chaos. You would think that some genius would figure out that on New Year's Eve drivers might need a little more guidance. I returned at 4 figuring that things would have started to thin out. Wrong. The main floor was twitching to hard techno from Jon Williams. The music was funkier upstairs, and I danced there a little until I felt the floor move in a way that I hadn't felt since the 7.? earthquake. On my way out, I saw Galen fidgeting by the door. Geoff and I assured him that Markie would indeed show up. I drove home again. Had a pleasant bathroom experience (the line at Begin Again had been about 20 bladders deep when I checked.) Got bored, went back at around 6. Things were much better now. Caught the last .5 of Markie's set - he looked tired, but the music was mostly great. Now with enough room I was finally able to trance out. Galen finished up with a decent 2hour 15 minute set that was a bit longer than it needed to be. The upstairs and basement had been shut down for a while, and the various crews where packing shit away. From 8:15 to 9 the main lights would occasionally blink on&off as if someone was trying to say "Galen, enough already." So all-in-all, a crazy fun/weird night. Not especially magical, but I wasn't expecting it to be. Pacific dipped deep into the karma well for this one and I'm glad it went off successfully. Lee ___________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 14:03:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA03792; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:03:55 -0800 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA03787; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:03:52 -0800 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM (pinbot.nit.airtouch.com) by Zool.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-Zool:MLC:950320-01) id AB19857; Tue, 2 Jan 96 14:03:49 PST Received: from eon.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA08705; Tue, 2 Jan 96 14:03:48 PST From: eric@nit.AirTouch.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9601022203.AA08705@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: star alley - out of biz? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Ravers List) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:03:47 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 416 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i stopped by star alley the other day and they had a sign on the door saying they were out of business. does anyone know what they are going to do with all their records? the star classics (or whatever it's called) on hayes seemed to be alive and healthy. -- Eric Pederson AirTouch Communications eric.pederson@airtouch.com 510-279-6185 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 15:10:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA08148; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:10:15 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA08143; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:10:11 -0800 Received: from psychoactive.com by ultima.org; Tue, 2 Jan 96 15:02 PST X-Sender: joe@mail.ultima.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1013 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:17:35 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: joe@psychoactive.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: more begin again Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:55 PM 1/2/96, Lee Fogel wrote: >Despite my safety concerns I had a pretty good time at Begin Again while >was there. I helped Daum (freaky chakra) with his sound check, which >delayed things in the main room by almost an hour. Loren's set started >things off nicely with some house and light trance. There was some tasty >hip-hoppy stuff going on in the basement - who was the first DJ down there? That was Monty, bringing back some of the old skool. bsp: He, I, and others (dunno who all yet) will be spinning at the Full Moon party on Friday night. The other full moon. Whatever it's called. =) Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 15:42:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA10684; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:42:05 -0800 Received: from lint.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA10673; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:42:02 -0800 Received: from mveloo.cisco.com ([171.68.192.181]) by lint.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id PAA01794 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:41:02 -0800 Received: by mveloo.cisco.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAD928.DA115C40@mveloo.cisco.com>; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:41:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01BAD928.DA115C40@mveloo.cisco.com> From: Mohan Veloo To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Subject: eat satic Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:41:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Just wanted to know whether the Eat Static show is off or on.. I called = the Sound Factory information line and there was no mention of it... = Anyone know better? Peace... ________________________________________________________________ Mohan Veloo [mveloo@cisco.com] Cisco Systems, Inc. Sales Information Systems Direct: 408-526-6814 Fax: 408-526-8811 Pager: 1-800-796-7363 - [PIN] 104-0870=20 ________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 15:44:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA10824; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:44:03 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA10813; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:43:59 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14890(4)>; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:43:20 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <2958>; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 15:38:48 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA820627451; Tue, 02 Jan 96 16:04:00 PST Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:04:00 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9600028206.AA820627451@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Begin Again & Boogie Buffet Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Went to Begin Again after hearing so much about last year's party and knowing what Pacific has delivered w/Sunsets. Like others, I don't mind supporting them after all they've given to us. Liked the overall vibe and people (especially the young man in the yellow Adidas sweat suit...he just shined w/energy and pure light :) Didn't dance as much as I wanted to due to a few commitments but had a good time. I think you've heard all the rest from the other reviews re: crowded dance floor, hazardous numbers, etc. This was my first time at this venue and personally, it leaves alot to be desired but Pacific did the best they could and I think alot of people left happy. Met a few sfravers there including some new ones. Hi Colin and John! It's funny how I don't even wear my sfrave badge. Perhaps I don't want to appear elitest or something...but the reality is that when I'm hot and sweaty, I really don't like to be encumbered by jewelery and that includes something around my neck. After grabbing a view from Twin Peaks w/the sunrise and crashing at a friends place, I went to help another friend serve food at Boogie Buffet. Perhaps I was just there too early (they opened at least an hour late) but when I left (around 1:30ish), from what I saw, the players were just beginning to come out and hopefully it went off. Gawd, there were so many fashion plates, I forgot how trendy and harsh some people can be. My brother calls my "style of fun" "too much hippie love"! That was reinforced by a German bloke who asked me that morning if I was a hippie back in the ol' days...I knew I was wrecked but did I look that old! So someone out there who went later on, gimme a report and tell me how it was. Diane From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 16:03:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA11964; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:03:09 -0800 Received: from hp1.online.apple.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA11959; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:03:06 -0800 From: MVasey@eworld.com Received: by hp1.online.apple.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA18234 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:02:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:02:33 -0800 Message-ID: <960102160232_21528755@hp1.online.apple.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: begin again - musical diversity Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk darrele@netcom.com wrote: >The best part of the party for me was that throughout the evening, the >music on all three levels was really interesting. Everyone was playing >stuff that I thought was very innovative. I havn't been to a party >that was this interesting musically. The musical diversity at Begin Again kept me there much longer than I would have considering the overcrowding, lack of oxygen, and heat. ALSO it is just plain criminal to have one bathroom and a NO IN/OUT policy (unless you were a privelaged "friend"). I finally left when I just plain couldn't hold it anymore! :( But enough bitching. Me and my friends had a great time and the physical set-up was the best I've seen for that space. Visuals were better than ever and as diverse as the music. I was very impressed with the musical diversity and spent a good amount of time on each floor. I had to really twist some arms of friends to go to this party because some of them have complained that they can only take about an hour or two of the "same ol repetitive stuff". Even they were impressed at the amount of good new, and unusual music this party. Hopefully this diversity on new years is a good sign of the direction some parties will take. It was nice to hear some slower Trip/dub on one of the Main floors! Favorite DJ of the evening - Felix! DJ that made me dance the hardest - Ethan... Thanks to everyone involved, we all had a great time... peace, martin From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 16:21:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA13662; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:21:23 -0800 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA13653; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:21:19 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA21765; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:18:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199601030018.QAA21765@netcom23.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: is boogie buffet back // please send full moon info // thanx Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 16:18:00 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I saw mention of Boogie Buffet on this list -- is it back in action or was that a new years day special? Also, where is that "other" full moon rave going to happen? I may be driving back from So-Cal on fryday night so perhaps I can catch it on the way back to SF... PS: Many thanks to all who responded about the CD DJ mixer thingies! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 16:55:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA16115; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:55:14 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16108; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:55:11 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA14728 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:55:09 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA19269 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:53:27 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199601030053.QAA19269@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: Raindance/Ameba New Year To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:53:26 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4542 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What we did on New Year's Eve- from the New Moon The dilemna of New Year's Eve for a raver: whether to go out and play all night, or stay at home and drink champagne with your friends. Hmmm. It was the week before New Year's Eve, and we had three options for raves that night: a trance party given by F8 and collaborators, Pacific's Begin Again or the Ameba/Raindance party down in Santa Cruz. After much discussion, we decided to go to Santa Cruz. Begin Again would have awesome music, with the Gardening Club, Felix, Scott and Gavin Hardkiss, Pacific djs Galen and friends. But the space- the Acme Gallery- is too small for a full-on rave, and we wanted to bring the New Moon altar. That space is a major firetrap and we didn't like the entry price of $20. Someone said the guy that was renting it out is "too fuckin' greedy" or something like that. Because no-one could believe Galen would charge $20 for that firetrap without good reason...such as the Acme guys were gouging him. After a visit to Frequency8, we clued in to the fact that their party was for the dedicated SF trance crowd and we might have a hard time getting in. "Get there at 8," Mars advised. But since when can a group as big as ours manage to get anywhere THAT early? So Santa Cruz it was. Plus, it was a donation-only party, and that usually means a more mixed crowd than the average rave. We had no idea what to expect from the Santa Cruz Ameba/Raindance rave. We knew Tracy would play, but we'd never heard of the other dj's. We'd never heard of the space either. Maybe I'm nuts, but a key ingredient of raving is NOT knowing what to expect beforehand. So the fact that would be something DIFFERENT made me want to go. We loaded up our altar boxes and headed for Santa Cruz at 9. We had a little trouble finding the place, but when we did, we were delighted. It was at the old train station in SC, which is now called Jose's Cantina. It was a huge space! There were crazy corridors leading everywhere, with plenty of rooms where we could build the altar and establish an ambient/chill out zone. We had been talking about the Winchester mystery house on the ride down, and lo- we found it. The place was like a labyrinth, with chandeliers. Cool. We brought in the altar boxes- full of candles, flowers, Christmas tree lights, figurines, sparkly doodads, etc., and started setting it up. As soon as we began, people started coming to see what we were doing. No jaded SF nightclubbers were they! They right away started grabbing stuff out of boxes and helped create a beautiful altar. There were even a couple of children who immediately grasped the concept. Michelle commented: "I love how these sacred spaces get created!" while gazing happily at what started out as a bar table and what ended up as a shrine. To what? Who knows. Maybe the party itself. But every little object was placed just so and there was a curtain of christmas tree lights hanging over it. And lots of candles, as usual. That altar looks different each time. The party wasn't too crowded, but it was full. Yes, the perfect amount of human bodies were there. The nicest surprize was that people knew what to do with all the altar stuff. There were lots of Deadheads there, who had built shrines on Haight Street when Jerry Garcia died. They automatically knew what we were about. Another nice surprize was that Sid, Josh & Angela, who had been to New Moon parties many times, were also there and helped guide the altar's development. The party lasted all night. When we left, shortly after dawn, a Raindance dj was still playing to an exhausted, enthusiastic dance floor. For all I know, they're still going. Mark was cleaning up, looking very happy. Tracy had played a excellent house set in front of a devoted crowd. Batya- roving jewelry maker- had sold some pieces. The Raindance crew were pleased with their success and had taped the whole night of music- They were mostly Deadheads who perhaps are looking to "the rave" to continue their musical journey. It was an example of ravers and Deadheads getting together to party all night. The two "scenes" meshed perfectly, we thought. Hopefully, these guys will throw some more parties at this same spot- if they do, you should check it out because it is a great place to spend all night..and the beach is just around the corner for when the sun comes up. -Ann, Gregg, Batya, Michelle, Ingrid, Paul, Josh, Jen From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 16:55:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA16133; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:55:19 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16114; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:55:13 -0800 Received: from sfasc176.slip.net (sfasc176.slip.net [206.14.14.176]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA09757 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:55:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:55:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199601030055.QAA09757@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 4 (Low) To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com (San Trancisco Raves) From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: Cyber-Trance Tonight(BSP) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk MOS EISLEY SPACEPORT dj's MARS MYSTR-E Club Boomerang 1840 Haight @ Stanyan 415. 387.2996 21+ $3. 10-2am From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 17:22:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA17837; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:22:12 -0800 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA17832; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:22:09 -0800 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id RAA29553; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:22:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: Geoff White To: Diane Tabellija cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Begin Again & Boogie Buffet In-Reply-To: <9600028206.AA820627451@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Diane Tabellija wrote: > but did I look that old! So someone out there who went later on, gimme > a report and tell me how it was. > > Diane > > Yes, Yes Yes. This was the Boogie Buffet that we all know love and remember, Shades and sunglasses in full effect to protect the guilty :) Full-on, no sell-out, craker-jackin only for the hard-core, if you can't handle your substances stay the fuck off the dance-floor (Can I git a witness JSL :). It wasd truely amazing, it was like I had been transportd back two years or more to the days when Boogie Buffet was THE place to be after a night of ravin. All the usual suspects were there, club-kids in the latest (to the nano-second fashion statement) tired ol' ravers like myself :), glamorous stripper posses', Amature's who were tough enough to make it through the night. I got there most likely right as you were leaving Diane, but I was the first one to get a plate of Eddie's wonderful food, it was just what I needed at the momnet and I chowed down with abandon, I had gone home from Begin Again around 7:30, since I am now a proud resident of San Francisco (as of Jan 1) I can go home between parties, so I went home took a nap and got to Boogie Buffett, around 2:00. Harry Who? was cutting it up on the decks, nice blend of trip-hop (or down-tempo, which ever you prefer), acid jazz and oldies, lots of high people dancing in the sunlight streaming through the sky-lights. In the gold room, someone was playing hard-trance for those who hadden't had enough yet. Truely a legendary Boogie and a great way to set off the new year, I left early (around 6:00) as I was leaving I noticed a rather stylishly dressed young lady in her white thigh-hi tights and red patent-plastic skirt, passed out and apparently asleep, her feet literally "to the curb" and her head resting in the lap of a friend, ahhh San Francisco! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 18:14:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA21127; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:14:34 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA21122; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:14:30 -0800 Received: from psychoactive.com by ultima.org; Tue, 2 Jan 96 18:07 PST X-Sender: joe@mail.ultima.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:22:02 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: joe@psychoactive.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: begin again - musical diversity Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 5:02 PM 1/2/96, MVasey@eworld.com wrote: >darrele@netcom.com wrote: > >>The best part of the party for me was that throughout the evening, the >>music on all three levels was really interesting. Everyone was playing >>stuff that I thought was very innovative. I havn't been to a party >>that was this interesting musically. > >The musical diversity at Begin Again kept me there much longer than I would >have considering the overcrowding, lack of oxygen, and heat. ALSO it is just >plain criminal to have one bathroom and a NO IN/OUT policy (unless you were a >privelaged "friend"). I finally left when I just plain couldn't hold it >anymore! :( > There are three toilets in that space that I know of (two downstairs next to each other and one upstairs) but that's still not enough for a party of that size. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 18:55:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA26151; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:55:49 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA26146; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 18:55:46 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp412.liberty.com [206.17.67.108]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA09874 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:07:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:07:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199601030307.TAA09874@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Darkness Subject: Trance Hound Wants To Know? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Anythang happenin tonight, I thought there was a new trance weekie or something. Sin; B. Darkness Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 19:04:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA27359; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:04:25 -0800 Received: from mail.crl.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA27350; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:04:19 -0800 Received: from crl.com (crl5.crl.com) by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA25470 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:01:38 -0800 From: davidmin@crl.com (David Minuk) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: My New Years Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 02:41:03 GMT Message-Id: <30e9e5b3.249196132@mail.crl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk New Years, a time of forgetting a thousand lost regrets... OK, I don't really like NYE that much, a holiday created with Roman oppression, though they did know how to party. It's all those tuxedos and popping champagne bottles and Guy Lombardo's rockin eve and Times Square dropping the ball. But the vibe is almost always good when it doesn't get ugly. No moody people on New Years. With a generous invite from Tom & Stacey, I headed for Origin. A last minute change in venue: the Boatyard, scene of an earlier XNTRK party. Great location with lots of boats and a boatramp. The sound system was in a shed which wasn't quite large enough. A tarp enlarging the dance floor flew away spectacularly in a sudden gust. No matter; it was a beautiful, warm night. Spotlights all over town made a light show rivaling the Northern Lights. The sound wasn't too bad outside; I would have been happy if the party was all outside. The change in venue left the promoters pottyless. A long line for the bathroom. Markie was late here, too. Poor Matthew was left playing "I Feel Love" waiting for him to show up. Gotta love Markie, though, he played the percussive house with those fussy cowbell sounds that we know so well. Carlos played with his usual verve next. I spotted the cops coming in; I waited, the music continued. What's going on I wondered... Back on the dance floor, the policemen were playing a drum set and blowing their whistles! Priceless, I still don't believe it. Jaw agape, I returned to the open-air hearth that was providing warmth to the jacketless. The party went on as Garth and his enteurage breezed in for an enjoyable set. Feeling restless, I forgoed what was sure to be an amazing dawn on the bay to sneak into Begin Again. Though it was now 6, it was still very crowded. I am always a little frightened of this place, but if I'm gonna go, this would be my ideal way :). Great vibe but the usual problems as discussed elsewhere that have me burnt out on Acme. I went home for 40 winks and woke up quite hungry so I headed out to Stompy. I was happy to see such a great vibe in the daytime, like sunset or a GG park party except more glamorous. The food included a breakfast of granola and fruit; lunch was a vegan carribean stew. I had a great time but left before dark because I knew my dog was counting on me to take her for a walk on such a beautiful day. Overall I did have a great time, and I hope everyone has a great 1996! David --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Minuk(davidmin@crl.com) WWW: My URL is http://www.crl.com/~davidmin/ This website is not yet rated. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 19:17:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28105; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:17:17 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA28098; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:17:14 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:17:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 19:17:03 -0800 To: Brian Darkness , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: Trance Hound Wants To Know? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 7:07 PM 01/02/96, Brian Darkness wrote: >BY YOUR COMMAND; > > Anythang happenin tonight, I thought there was a new trance weekie >or something. > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 16:55:02 -0800 X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 4 (Low) To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com (San Trancisco Raves) From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: Cyber-Trance Tonight(BSP) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk MOS EISLEY SPACEPORT dj's MARS MYSTR-E Club Boomerang 1840 Haight @ Stanyan 415. 387.2996 21+ $3. 10-2am From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 20:09:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA01147; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:09:01 -0800 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA01135; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:08:57 -0800 Received: (from arthurc@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA24286; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:08:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:08:48 -0800 (PST) From: Arthur Chandler X-Sender: arthurc@pluto To: Eric Pederson cc: SF Ravers List Subject: Re: star alley - out of biz? In-Reply-To: <9601022203.AA08705@nit.AirTouch.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Eric Pederson wrote: > i stopped by star alley the other day and they had a sign on the door > saying they were out of business. does anyone know what they are going > to do with all their records? > I called them and got a recording that said they've gone out of business, but that their San Jose store continues. I didn't even know they had a San Jose store -- but call Star for their recorded message. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 20:43:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA03140; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:43:32 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA03134; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:43:29 -0800 From: Ytima@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:44:59 -0500 Message-ID: <960102214456_82822696@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: new year's eve "out of hand" ReSent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:43:28 -0800 (PST) ReSent-From: Brian Behlendorf ReSent-To: sfraves@hyperreal.com ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i haven't checked any postings yet to see what anybody might be saying about the new year's eve party i threw - i want to explain what happened before i dare look. a) what most people didn't know is that my friend (ford) asked me to throw a new year's eve party for him and his friends at his warehouse. this was supposed to be an invite only affair - not some public rave. unfortunately this was not communicated properly by me to the people who helped out. b) we expected 150-250 people (maximum). we guesstimate that 850-1000 showed up. we ended up letting approximately 500-600 of those people in. i have since found out that various "party lines" had our address posted. while watching the door i heard comments that "there is plenty of room to let people in!" yet i had several d.j.s and warehouse residents come up to me and ask me to stop letting people in - there was no more room. c) if the 150-250 people that we expected had been the only ones to show up the single bathroom and cups for water would have been adequate. we told people that we invited that there would be no bottled water and to bring their own. we put several hundred cups for water by the bathroom so that people could just fill them up at the tap. d) i am truly sorry that so many people had to be turned away, but this was a private-type party that got out of hand. as i said before there was miscommunication between me and some of the other people that were involved...and none of us had any idea that it was going to turn into such a massive event. e) a.d. will not be doing another party for at least a month because i am waiting for my friend to bring his freshly built 17,000 watt sound system out here. with this system and my friends that have warehouses i am going to start doing monthly parties. thanks to everybody for your love, support and understanding. you can reach me personally at Ytima@aol.com...amity From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 21:01:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA04213; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:01:56 -0800 Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA04208; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 21:01:53 -0800 Received: from duckman.usfca.edu ([138.202.32.150]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA19818 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:55:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 20:55:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199601030455.UAA19818@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: Re: PIX Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >On Sat, 30 Dec 1995 Jondabomb@aol.com wrote: > >> The family here at Sf raves should make a photo albumn. Let's all send in a >> gif of ourselfs, so we can see who we are talking to! Anyone like this idea? >> Have a safe and happy NYE! >> Jonathan >> "I'm in love!:)" > >I LOVE the idea! I have a great picture of me and Mr.Jake Reichert! Yeah, but then again, any picture of me and Amy is bound to be great :) Love, Me Jake Reichert | I used to be indecisive/ reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu | But now I'm not so sure... | -The The -------------------------------------------------------------------- "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES" B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------ The Happy Family A=====================================V Bulgarian Voices | Pixies | | | ____ | Bauhaus | Frazier Chorus | /| | /\ | | \ | Michael Brook | Spirea X | / | | / \ | | \ | The Breeders | Colourbox | / | | / \ | | | | Dead Can Dance | Dif Juz | /___| | /______\ | | | | Throwing Muses | The The | | | / \ | | / | Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema | | | / \ | |___ / | Cocteau Twins | Liquorice A=====================================M Lisa Germano | M|A|R|R|S X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides | The Birthday Party A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch | C.V.O | Air Miami Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks | Lisa Gerrard | Last Dance | Lush Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | His Name Is Alive | Pale Saints The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman "LONELY IS AN EYESORE" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 22:36:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA08506; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:36:58 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA08500; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 22:36:55 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA17023 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 01:36:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 01:36:22 -0500 Message-ID: <960103013621_30370277@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Pix Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Im at a loss on how to put pictures up, maybe on my web page? BTW im on it and the address is http://home.aol.com/jondabomb I have some personal pix from the Gathering maybe i can put them up there too? Ok, if im not overwhelmed send me a small Jpeg or gif of you and a description and Ill try and put it on my page! Sound cool? Good! Jonathan Peace, Love , and everone take off their clothes From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 2 23:24:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA12156; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:24:05 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA12135; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:24:00 -0800 Received: from ameba.ameba.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id XAA06954; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:31:56 -0800 Received: by ameba.ameba.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAD968.7D27DAA0@ameba.ameba.com>; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:17:30 -0800 Message-ID: <01BAD968.7D27DAA0@ameba.ameba.com> From: ameba To: "'SF Raves'" Subject: New years w/the R.A.K Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 23:14:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk thats me al@ameba aka the random access kid I started at the Xlr8r party and Tracy Lords Didn't show... we waited till the tension settled at Begin Again...(having sold the = tickets I saw all the people in advance and they were groovy but I = feared for a bust) at 3:00 the crowd had settled and It was a great party till we left at = 8:30 or so. Our compensation for selling tickets was six freebies ( but = actually I'm just pooling my favors so I can get to spin at FnF on the = main floor one day....talent? HA!)=20 Then I went to the first after party I've been to in a long time , = Stompy/Boogie and I'm telling you my $5.99 sky blue polyester liesure = suit and my Dior alchaholic housewife shades went a long way in that = setting. I had breakfast and lunch there.=20 As they used to say at the Salvation Army Mens Rehabilitation center "Tore up, from the floor up, like throw up." al@ameba From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 02:57:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA00965; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 02:57:28 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA00960; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 02:57:25 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA21338 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 02:57:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 02:57:20 -0800 Message-Id: <199601031057.CAA21338@blob.best.net> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: Re: cops and all that Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:18 AM 1/2/96 -0800, you wrote: >>enforcement -- I only see the cops that fuck with me for no reason, like >>detaining me outside the 7-11 one block from my house and questioning me >>about my destination, friends, what tattoos I might have (!), etc., while >>a police copter hovered overhead with the searchlight pinning me down. >(snip) >>For many cops I've experienced, the perk is being able to >>abuse people verbally and physically, and then hide behind a badge. > >I can't speak to your personal experience, but I too have been pulled over >several times by the cops while walking down the street. I answered their >questions, submitted to searches, gave them any information they asked for, >and then went on my way. You didn't mention what kind of treatment you got. > All the policemen I dealt with were professional enough, and I didn't feel >overly threatened. They were doing their jobs. No physical or verbal >abuse. Of course, I didn't give them a hard time, verbally abuse them, call >them names, question their authority, refuse information, etc. I've had police experiences that range from skateboarding in the "wrong" place to being woken up with a cop pointing a .45 in my face and I will vouch for this perspective. If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about. If you live in a neighborhood that tends to require extra law enforcement, be aware that you may be treated like a common criminal when you aren't, because most of the people they have to deal with there are. Cops are the people who pick up the pieces when people in society decide to act really shitty towards each other. I don't think I could put up with it for 40-60 hours a week, myself. eh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 06:26:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA10132; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:26:35 -0800 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA10121; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:26:30 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA15330; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:23:13 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:23:13 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Ann Elizabeth Loraine From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: Raindance/Ameba New Year Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >That space is a major firetrap and we didn't like the >entry price of $20. Someone said the guy that was renting it out is "too >fuckin' greedy" or something like that. Because no-one could believe >Galen would charge $20 for that firetrap without good reason...such as >the Acme guys were gouging him. Hmmm, and when is a warehouse NOT a firetrap? When it has permits issued by the Fire Dept., Health Dept., Etc. I dunno if any warehouse party in SF (i.e. underground), could really be called safe. I have yet to see any fire extinguishers at any rave I've gone to, usually 1 exit (the others are either chained or blocked), and there is usually only one bathroom. Begin Again was was no exception. The back of Townsend is often overcrowded (until 4), inadequate ventillation (unless someone brings fans), and two bathrooms for hundreds of beer/booze/water drinking folx. I don't think you can have an underground party in SF without some safety problems. Even large warehouses have occupancies much less than what you would think for their size (legally that is). As for greed...well, it's New Years. Unless you have some really righteous DJ's and sound people, you are going to be charged a premium. And to be honest, I heard that they kept the DJ fees @ Begin Again very reasonable, as New Years goes. With that in mind however, the DJ's wanted to get paid a certain amount, and I don't see why someone should get paid upwards of $200 and hour, whereas if I have a space i should charge less than anyone else. No greeed is not the sole dominion of the person who has the space, but during the first, it infects all mechanisms of parties in the city. I guess the freebie in SC was the way to go if you wanted to avoid all of the money aspect of parties. Peace & Happy New Year, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 06:26:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA10139; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:26:35 -0800 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA10127; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:26:32 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA15339; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:23:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:23:17 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Begin Again, Stompy Boggie Crackerjack Cafe Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Begin again was a fine party, although I really didn't care for the music that much in the hard ass 130+ acid trance room. Ethan did a good job, however, and Scott Hardkiss rocked it as well. I went, I think, upstairs to the groove room where LaRon was playing some really cool trip-Hop, Hip-Hop beats that got the bodies moving. I spent an hour or so there. Met Lee (who smelled fine BTW), and Diane T. who was working up a sweat, but both kept the funk in check! I had to get home and take care of some biz, like my family, and hang with them for a while before going to Stompy Boggie CrackerJack Cafe. I came, I saw, I cracked! I had a good time, all be told, and have found several 12 step programs that see me as a '96 candidate for poster child. Yes, it was all that, the vibe was great, the people were fun, and it was like the old days...old Roman Days I that is! I do love SF! Oh yeah, shouts to Alan (dude, I loved those glasses and that funky doo, & suit right on my man), Andrew (both of thse guys were in serious lounge mode, but were cruisin!), GeoffW, Barbara, Julianna, Ieda, Loren & Trixie, Megan, Harry (nice double shots of Jaeger huh Harry....geez...) and others. This was like the old days, only better! Now, if I can just remeber where I left my brain. Peace & Happy New Year, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 06:57:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA12134; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:57:04 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA12118; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:56:59 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA21369; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:53:43 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 06:53:43 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Arthur Chandler From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: star alley - out of biz? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Tue, 2 Jan 1996, Eric Pederson wrote: > >> i stopped by star alley the other day and they had a sign on the door >> saying they were out of business. does anyone know what they are going >> to do with all their records? >> > I called them and got a recording that said they've gone out of >business, but that their San Jose store continues. I didn't even know >they had a San Jose store -- but call Star for their recorded message. I'll talk to Charlotte and see what happened. But, you knew the writing was on the wall. I am suprised they lasted as long as they did. No listening booths (in the early days you had to put up with really snotty people who would, grudgingly play a 12" for you), moved location from the fron of Hayes, to the alley (really inaccessible & a scary location where hookers & pimps ply their trade). Couple that with the plethora of easily acessible stores, with listening booths, and friendly staff (Charlotte is/was the best thing that happened to Star), it was only a matter of time before they shut thier doors to the dance music community. Oh well, show tunes, and opera pieces never die; they just move to a very gaudy Hayes St. location....;( At least there's still:Soundworks, Solid Grooves, BPM, Tweekin, Primal, and varous other used/new records stores to get a vinyl fix. Peace, john From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 10:57:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA29251; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:57:59 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA29242; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:57:55 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA27850 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:56:39 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id KAA12824 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:56:38 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199601031856.KAA12824@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: more cops and all that To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:56:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199601031057.CAA21338@blob.best.net> from "Eric Hill" at Jan 3, 96 02:57:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5299 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >I can't speak to your personal experience, but I too have been pulled over > >several times by the cops while walking down the street. I answered their > >questions, submitted to searches, gave them any information they asked for, > >and then went on my way. You didn't mention what kind of treatment you got [...] > > All the policemen I dealt with were professional enough, and I didn't feel > >overly threatened. They were doing their jobs. No physical or verbal > >abuse. Of course, I didn't give them a hard time, verbally abuse them, cal > >them names, question their authority, refuse information, etc. I have never been anything but 100% courteous and professional in my dealings with police, and I say this with absolutely no sarcasm. Didn't seem to keep them from their "investigation", although it may have saved me from spending a night in jail...I don't think it a good bargain to find out. The following comment is what disturbs me: > If you've got nothing to hide, you've got > nothing to worry about. And who gets to define "nothing to hide"? _They_ do, which includes the arresting officer and the local/state/federal government. At best, you have tyranny of the majority. At worst, you have Nazi Germany...instead of looking for drugs or some shit, they look for your drivers license, aka identity papers, which by the way they only issue you if you're of the right skin color/ national background/etc. Far-fetched? Several Congresscritters have tried to mandate national AIDS testing and internment of those who test positive. Plus, did you know that the officer that stops and questions you can legally take all your money if s/he _suspects_ that you _might_ be a drug dealer? And that you have to sue in civil court (no court-appointed attorneys here) to get it back? Can you say "guilty until proven innocent"? And, furthermore, that the local PD gets to keep the bulk of that money? Generally this only happens to people who don't speak English well and are unlikely to make a stink. How do you think San Jose can afford so many cops, and so many shiny new cop cruisers? The Merc had a great series of articles about the civil forfeiture laws about a year ago -- it's scary shit. Do you see why I don't believe _anyone_ should have this power? If you could shake down people for their cash just about anytime, wouldn't it be tempting? Would the average person be able to resist this temptation, especially since (as has been pointed out) cops are not especially highly paid? > If you live in a neighborhood that tends to require > extra law enforcement, be aware that you may be treated like a common > criminal when you aren't, because most of the people they have to deal with > there are. This is horseshit. If a _real_ crime is being committed, arrest someone. Otherwise, they have nothing to go on besides looks -- "that guy _looks_ like a criminal according to my set of prejudices". Sadly, this behavior can be incorrectly reinforced, because of any random sampling of the population you pick up, _some_ of them will have, say, dope on them. Let's say you picked Mexicans as your target group. Most are clean, a few have some drugs. It's easy to say then "See, Mexicans are all fuckin' dopers, man! Stop enough and you'll find someone holding." The trouble with this logic is that since you're no longer stopping anyone else (since you decided that the Mexicans were it) you have nothing to compare this distribution against, and even if the population at large holds _more_ dope on average it will look to you like you've discovered some statistical truth, since stopping the Mexicans always works. You might as well have stopped all people with blue eyes, all people apparently under 23, or all left-handers. > Cops are the people who pick up the pieces when people in society decide to > act really shitty towards each other. I don't think I could put up with it > for 40-60 hours a week, myself. Since we have decided to live in such a way that cops are required (over- crowding, isolation from our neighbors and community, motor vehicle access pre-empting human access such that high-speed getaways from crime scenes are trivial) -- in short, abdicating responsibility for our own welfare and that of our community, we require cops. I appreciate those cops that have a genuine concern for the community, but I also believe that they will always be outnumbered by those with a chip on their shoulder. Why? The motivation to abuse power for selfish reasons is always (over time) stronger than the motivation to use it wisely so others won't abuse it. I mentioned this in my last letter -- the first is reinforced every time you mess with someone (under your control, can be anytime), the second is only reinforced when you do a Good Thing and someone thanks you for it (not under your control). Think of how often the undergrounds thrown by people on this list require law enforcement to keep people in line. Never? Why? Because people have taken responsibility for making sure the event goes off safely by creating an environment where safety and fun, instead of $, are the primary concerns. (Example: not serving alcohol, which makes you a lot of money but makes many people act ugly to each other.) // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 11:46:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA03111; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:46:49 -0800 Received: from whirlwind.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA03105; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:46:45 -0800 Received: by whirlwind.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA01186; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:46:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:46:31 -0800 (PST) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@whirlwind.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Burning Man In-Reply-To: <9512271242.ZM20315@tempest.organic.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Rocky Mullin wrote: > oh, something else i forgot to mention... the event is getting > rather popular and i have been hearing rumblings that it will > not be happening next year becasue too many people would show. They have a date up for Burning Man 96 on their web site. Whether they are going to "allow" a rave camp this year was a topic of speculation since some of the people in main camp felt we decreased the importance of the burning of the man and that we just plain annoying with our music that would not stop (except for those nice little rain showers)... But I doubt they would really axe the rave camp - that seems to be against the spirit of burning man. And if they did? We would probably just move farther away next year - though I don't know what we would do about port-a-potties... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:02:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04392; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:02:09 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA04384; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:02:06 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id MAA12311; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:02:02 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id MAA23362; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:02:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:02:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: WOW! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk dont know how to start this off but ill just begin...... went to the gathering and had a good time ...wow..so big but i did not have many problems with it..did not see any fights and kept moving from room to room to get my fill of all the djs. it just seems that you cannot have a very tight vibe when there are so many people...especially liked the guy from chicago.....forget his name now... got one of the last tickets for begin again cause i heard about it so late and procrastinated....... FULL CIRCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i started raving NYE last year and had to go to a good party in the city for this NYE........ i had never been to the acme before and arrived at about 11:15.....not too many people but it got packed when ethan came on...he got me going.. (thanks ethan..i said hello to you and thanked you..i had a whistle and wore a green disco (crisco) shirt) and that was it!!!!!!!!!!!! i was gone in another world until about 6:30 that morning.............. hello to all the sfravers i met and everyone else...i rEally EnjoyEd mysElf ...it seemed that no one knew about the two small unlit bathrooms on the main floor....i just used a lighter to see and it worked fine all night...i think it would have cut down the line if all the guys (or brave women) had used them.............they even had ALOT of toilet paper in them. yes it did seem alittle sketchy at first when i saw that it could have easily been busted....i saw cops hanging out on the front part of the building before i went inside......some of the spontaneousness (sp?) and fear of problems (i.e. fire, collapsing floors, needle bouncing (sorry ethan) and such make the vibe stronger for it is the energy of everyone working together to get through the probelms that makes such parties "go off". dont get me wrong...im not advocating an unsafe place but i think some factors such as the ones ive listed above help make a certain vibe.... i really really really enjoyed the variety of music that was spun..it was great to hear something besides the regular stuff..... i think ive said enough.............. dimitri ps i hope no one was disturbed by my whistling............. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:11:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA05751; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:11:59 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA05746; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:11:55 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA10876; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:11:05 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601031211.ZM10874@well> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:11:03 -0800 In-Reply-To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) "Re: star alley - out of biz?" (Jan 3, 6:53am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), Arthur Chandler Subject: Re: star alley - out of biz? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Charlotte wasn't the only thing Star Alley had going, Susan was their techno/whatever buyer and backroom counter person for quite a while and I got many good tracks there while they were around. They did have these ancient QSC studio turntables, very similar to what I used in college radio in (gulp) 1977. But DJ-friendly? Nah. Attitude City is more like it, 'cept when Charlotte or Susan were around. As for vinyl, don't forget Ameba, F8 and the newest find, Open Mind on Divis right down from Haight. Rumor is someone snagged an original copy of a Cybotron 12 there recently for cheep, and it's no rumor at all that I got my copy of 'Hey Rocky' by Boris Badenough there (and played part of it at the August F&F) for all of $4. Somehow old Detroit and Chicago stuff is showing up regularly at Open Mind. Are there any stories anyone isn't telling us? Anyway, it's worth the trip. c ya phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:13:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA05847; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:13:09 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA05837; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:13:05 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp415.liberty.com [206.17.67.111]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA05420; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:23:49 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:23:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199601032023.MAA05420@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Darkness Subject: Re: Begin Again, Stompy Boggie Crackerjack Cafe Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; John, I don't know about you, but I can't dance to anything as slooow as trip hop, hurts my body to move sooooo slow. >Begin again was a fine party, although I really didn't care for the music >that much in the hard ass 130+ acid trance room. Ethan did a good job, >however, and Scott Hardkiss rocked it as well. I went, I think, upstairs >to the groove room where LaRon was playing some really cool trip-Hop, >Hip-Hop beats that got the bodies moving. I spent an hour or so there. >Met Lee (who smelled fine BTW), and Diane T. who was working up a sweat, >but both kept the funk in check! Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:13:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA05900; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:13:41 -0800 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA05893; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:13:38 -0800 Received: from [204.71.217.92] (bigz.creative.net [204.71.217.92]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02627; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601032010.MAA02627@cyberE.creative.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Jondabomb@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Re: Pix Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi Jon, if you'd like you can snag the picture of me at my homepage. (http://www.bigz.com) There are some pictures there that are from Sunset parties past. All my love to you in the New Year... Jon Zimmerman bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:25:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA06753; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:25:08 -0800 Received: from whirlwind.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA06747; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:25:04 -0800 Received: by whirlwind.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA01258; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:24:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:24:53 -0800 (PST) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@whirlwind.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Burning Man In-Reply-To: <199512300701.XAA13869@jobe.shell.portal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Dec 1995, Grigsbeast wrote: > > I personally can create my own virtual burning man in my head after > > having my mind blown by wicked. No need for fire when you're swimming > > in liquid sound! > > It's too bad that you feel that way, Neils; it brings it home to me that > the ritual of the Man isn't what it once was. Damn. You're right here... The ritual of the man was one of the only times of the whole weekend where I could only be a spectator. Maybe that is because it has grown too quickly and the ritual of the Burn needs to grow with it. All this talk of responsibility on the playa brings something a question to mind... Why is the playa different than ANY other outdoor space we use (well, besides it is a bitmore windy and you cannot dig a hole to poop in)? Why are any of the beaches or woods ok to litter in or drop cigarette butts but the playa is scarced? I think in any party, the partier has the responsibility to keep track of their trash - which means water bottles, cigarette butts, glitter, candy wrappers.... (esp. cigarette butts which fit so nicely in the little change pocket in your jeans if you wear jeans)... So, please son't complain about the playa, unless you keep those habits up throughout your life as much as possible... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:31:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA07188; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:31:48 -0800 Received: from whirlwind.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07179; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:31:44 -0800 Received: by whirlwind.berkeley.edu (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-DomainOS) id AA01297; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:31:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: "'Dave Bayer'" X-Sender: dlb@whirlwind.berkeley.edu To: "\\SFRaves\\" Subject: Re: begin again In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > anyways, i had a good time. about needles skipping, it looked > like something was done to minimize it, i remember seeing lots of > concrete blocks with space right in front of the dj blocked off. > sometimes there just isnt much else that can be done, with so many people > moving in one rythm on a wooden dance floor. its bound to skip... If anyone is going to use that space again, they should to put four eyelets into the ceiling and suspend the tables from the ceiling to stop the vibration from people jumping around... dave From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:49:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA10496; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:49:11 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA10488; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:49:04 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA197041715; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:41:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:41:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Re[2]: Burning Man To: "'Dave Bayer'" Cc: "\\SFRaves\\" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > All this talk of responsibility on the playa brings something a > question to mind... Why is the playa different than ANY other outdoor > space we use (well, besides it is a bitmore windy and you cannot dig a > hole to poop in)? Why are any of the beaches or woods ok to litter in or > drop cigarette butts but the playa is scarced? I think in any party, the > partier has the responsibility to keep track of their trash - which means > water bottles, cigarette butts, glitter, candy wrappers.... (esp. > cigarette butts which fit so nicely in the little change pocket in your > jeans if you wear jeans)... I agree with Dave completely....and I've noticed this problem at Sunset parties. This is a free party in an outdoor setting and I felt like it was *EVERYONE'S* responsibility to keep their trash picked up. How someone could throw their garbage on the ground without thought as to who would be picking it up was beond me. I've wondered if the Pacific crew have thought of this as a lack of appreciation - I know I would have if I extended myself only to have to pick up people's shit. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:57:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA11359; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:57:37 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11347; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:57:26 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com (root@liberty.liberty.com [199.89.140.103]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA11833 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:36:16 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp414.liberty.com [206.17.67.110]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20467; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:54:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:54:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199601032054.MAA20467@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Grigsbeast , sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Darkness Subject: Re: more cops and all that Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; The bottom line is that if your white, educated, have some money(not much though) & the crime is either non-violent, and/or white collar; you will get off with a light sentance if any. Ok, why is this so, I'm just going to offer a few reason's. Statistically the group of people I mentioned above usually have but just one run in with the law and that experience is enough to convince them to go straight for at least a few years, or do gray area crimes; crimes that they're required to prove intention(very to extremely difficult to prove), or do different non-violent white collar stuff; so that your not being convicted of the same thing. If you thing there is a formula here, your right, there is. Not that I've ever none anything like this, but I know people that have, and still are with no end in sight. There are holes in the system, and you just have be smart enough to see them, experiment a lot, and have a little money to start with. Where blacks & hispanics, & other groups continue to do the same violent thing, like it's a matter of personal pride or saving face, it's sooo stupid. Also, & but it's proabily the only thing that they can see, or that's available to them. Anyone white or black who picks up a weapon & commits a violent crime is a MACHO DUMB ASS, there's no money in it, and more than adequate protect against such crimes. There are penty of gray area crimes, and ways to scam money in America, that don't require you taking money from little people, commiting violent crimes, and/or getting caught. There are penty of people in America that are extracting money from the system be it corporate or government that you never hear about, because they never get caught. Though techology is making harder to do these things until one day the hackers will catch up. We as American's are kinda hippocritical of crime. Here we were a legal English colony, and we all decided that we didn't want to be taxed by them so we violently removed ourselves from their control. We where also the worlds greatest smugglers at the point in history. We took advanage of a large coast line, our close geographic proximity to the west indies, and sent our own PIRATE ships down there to get the goods, and /or raid/destory British ships, and we talk about law & order, it just makes me laugh. At 10:56 AM 1/3/96 -0800, Grigsbeast wrote: >And who gets to define "nothing to hide"? _They_ do, which includes the >arresting officer and the local/state/federal government. At best, you have >tyranny of the majority. At worst, you have Nazi Germany...instead of looking >for drugs or some shit, they look for your drivers license, aka identity >papers, which by the way they only issue you if you're of the right skin color/ >national background/etc. Far-fetched? Several Congresscritters have tried to >mandate national AIDS testing and internment of those who test positive. > >Plus, did you know that the officer that stops and questions you can legally >take all your money if s/he _suspects_ that you _might_ be a drug dealer? >And that you have to sue in civil court (no court-appointed attorneys here) >to get it back? Can you say "guilty until proven innocent"? And, furthermore, >that the local PD gets to keep the bulk of that money? Generally this only >happens to people who don't speak English well and are unlikely to make a >stink. How do you think San Jose can afford so many cops, and so many shiny >new cop cruisers? The Merc had a great series of articles about the civil >forfeiture laws about a year ago -- it's scary shit. >This is horseshit. If a _real_ crime is being committed, arrest someone. >Otherwise, they have nothing to go on besides looks -- "that guy _looks_ >like a criminal according to my set of prejudices". Sadly, this behavior >can be incorrectly reinforced, because of any random sampling of the population >you pick up, _some_ of them will have, say, dope on them. Let's say you >picked Mexicans as your target group. Most are clean, a few have some drugs. >It's easy to say then "See, Mexicans are all fuckin' dopers, man! Stop >enough and you'll find someone holding." The trouble with this logic is >that since you're no longer stopping anyone else (since you decided that >the Mexicans were it) you have nothing to compare this distribution against, >and even if the population at large holds _more_ dope on average it will look >to you like you've discovered some statistical truth, since stopping the >Mexicans always works. You might as well have stopped all people with blue >eyes, all people apparently under 23, or all left-handers. Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 12:58:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA11525; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:58:43 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA11494; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:58:22 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA29539 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:58:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:58:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199601032058.MAA29539@blob.best.net> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: Re: more cops and all that Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:56 AM 1/3/96 -0800, Grigsbeast wrote, among other things: >> If you live in a neighborhood that tends to require >> extra law enforcement, be aware that you may be treated like a common >> criminal when you aren't, because most of the people they have to deal with >> there are. > >This is horseshit. If a _real_ crime is being committed, arrest someone. >Otherwise, they have nothing to go on besides looks -- "that guy _looks_ >like a criminal according to my set of prejudices". Sadly, this behavior >can be incorrectly reinforced, because of any random sampling of the population >you pick up, _some_ of them will have, say, dope on them. Let's say you >picked Mexicans as your target group. Most are clean, a few have some drugs. >It's easy to say then "See, Mexicans are all fuckin' dopers, man! Stop >enough and you'll find someone holding." The trouble with this logic is >that since you're no longer stopping anyone else (since you decided that >the Mexicans were it) you have nothing to compare this distribution against, >and even if the population at large holds _more_ dope on average it will look >to you like you've discovered some statistical truth, since stopping the >Mexicans always works. You might as well have stopped all people with blue >eyes, all people apparently under 23, or all left-handers. > >> Cops are the people who pick up the pieces when people in society decide to >> act really shitty towards each other. I don't think I could put up with it >> for 40-60 hours a week, myself. > >Since we have decided to live in such a way that cops are required (over- >crowding, isolation from our neighbors and community, motor vehicle access >pre-empting human access such that high-speed getaways from crime scenes >are trivial) -- in short, abdicating responsibility for our own welfare and >that of our community, we require cops. Speak for yourself. Your whole argument reads to me something like trying to find a way to walk down the street with bags of speed taped to your forehead. Props to you, though, for recognizing and listing many of the different ways that the people in this country are going so fucking insane that they lash out at the nearest stereotype. Left-handeds. Renegade cops. The AIDS Community. Doper Mexicans. "PLURry" ravers. We're going down the shitter and I think people are smart enough to see this, but it scares them to death and they don't know what else to do about it. The only way to get rid of cops is to make them unnecessary. Since you and countless others (but not "we") have given up on evolving the ethical and legal atmospheres that surround us in a constructive way, I don't see this happening soon. eh p.s. >Think of how often the undergrounds thrown by people on this list require >law enforcement to keep people in line. Never? Why? Because people have >taken responsibility for making sure the event goes off safely by creating >an environment where safety and fun, instead of $, are the primary concerns. >(Example: not serving alcohol, which makes you a lot of money but makes >many people act ugly to each other.) I was going to make this point in my last post, but I thought it would be unnecessary: I don't think underground raves (as much as I like them) are a realistic model for a society. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 13:05:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA12150; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:05:27 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12142; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:05:23 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA07079; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:05:11 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA27763; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:02:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: special rave on christmas story To: Peter Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow, what a great story. Sounds to me like you really found the true meaning of Christmas albeit inadvertantly!! It's nice to hear things like that from time to time. Thank you for sharing the wonderful story that you helped create!! --kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 13:26:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA13446; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:26:41 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA13440; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:26:35 -0800 Received: from psychoactive.com by ultima.org; Wed, 3 Jan 96 13:19 PST X-Sender: joe@mail.ultima.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:23:06 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: joe@psychoactive.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: star alley - out of biz? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:11 PM 1/3/96, Fred Heutte wrote: >As for vinyl, don't forget Ameba, F8 and the newest find, Open Mind >on Divis right down from Haight. Rumor is someone snagged an original >copy of a Cybotron 12 there recently for cheep, and it's no rumor at >all that I got my copy of 'Hey Rocky' by Boris Badenough there (and >played part of it at the August F&F) for all of $4. Somehow old Detroit >and Chicago stuff is showing up regularly at Open Mind. Are there any >stories anyone isn't telling us? Anyway, it's worth the trip. > >c ya >phred And they have Tomas working for them two days a week; straight up the best ambient/dub/reggae/idm buyer on the west coast. (He used to work at Aron's in LA) And he's also a great guy. Regarding Cybotron stuff, it's been repressed - they have copies of Clear at Primal and at BPM, and Trax records just put up a homepage (I think it's www.traxrecords.com - I'll double check - where you can supposedly order *anything* they've ever put out. Nonetheless, Open Mind is one of those great stores that rewards you handsomely if you take the hours to go through the used bins. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 13:27:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA13503; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:27:10 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA13497; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:27:07 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id NAA03367; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:27:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 13:27:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199601032127.NAA03367@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: begin again X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dave Wrote: > If anyone is going to use that space again, they should to put >four eyelets into the ceiling and suspend the tables from the ceiling to >stop the vibration from people jumping around... > What about the people jumping on the floor of the upstairs, which is the ceiling they would be hung from. Skip-it-ti-do-da. :) Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 14:15:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17497; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:15:18 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17492; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:15:14 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA23541 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:15:12 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA11314; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:13:37 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:13:35 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: A few words about '95 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear All... I don't really post much, but I'm in this kind of introspective mood and had a few feelings that I thought would be pertinent to this list. I thought I'd share what I've learned either directly or indirectly from raving this past year. I guess it's appropriate as the past becomes the present becomes the future!! :) So, here goes; a few things that I've learned through "raving" (or "life" as the case may be) : how to better treat others in a relationship (be them friends or lovers) not everyone is on the same path as you, some people are also further behind or further ahead the natural bisexuality of everyday life found in us all There are a lot more, but these are my general feelings. (not wanting to get neither too personal nor too impersonal :) I hope to get to meet more of you in 1996. I've only met Wayne and Rikki Keifer. I also shared a wonderful time at the Gathering with some wonderful friends, Rok and Dave, both on this list. Hi guys :) Hats off to 1996, may it be wonderful for all. Lots of Love, kirsten From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 14:16:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17605; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:16:48 -0800 Received: from pickett-comm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17600; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:16:44 -0800 Received: from [205.162.24.30] by pickett-comm.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:16:03 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:16:15 -0700 To: From: Ethan Miller Subject: Re: begin again Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:31 PM 1/3/96, 'Dave Bayer' wrote: > If anyone is going to use that space again, they should to put >four eyelets into the ceiling and suspend the tables from the ceiling to >stop the vibration from people jumping around... > >dave Actually.... Jon Carel and myself (who did sound upstairs) did just this, which is why the turntables upstairs didn't bounce -- at all =) Might have worked downstairs too, though in that case onr room's ceiling is another rooms floor, so it might not have worked. Would've been nice to try though; it's really hard trying to mix when you can't even cue a friggin record... take it easy ethan ----------------------------( ethan miller )---------------------------- ------------------( http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/ )------------------ --------------------------------( acid )-------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 14:22:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18091; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:22:27 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18086; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:22:23 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA26258; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:18:18 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199601032218.OAA26258@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Trance Hound Wants to Know? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:18:16 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1153 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > At 7:07 PM 01/02/96, Brian Darkness wrote: > >BY YOUR COMMAND; > > Anythang happenin tonight, I thought there was a new trance weekie > >or something. > > MOS EISLEY SPACEPORT > dj's > MARS MYSTR-E > Club Boomerang > 1840 Haight @ Stanyan > 415. 387.2996 > 21+ $3. > 10-2am Yea, the guy at F-8 on haight was telling be about this ( same guy I always see there, I wish I asked his name ). I think he said that not yesterday but the week before was the first night. He said F-8 wants to take over that whole block of haight (jokingly, although it's fine with me) because they also are going to have a trance BOWLING night across the street, I forget what night. The Tues. at Boomerang sounds great! he said they even had lasers and stuff. It just gives me this wonderful warm feeling inside to think about them turning a boring drunk tank pseudo punk club into a weekly little rave party. I love it. The fate of haight from F-8 on haight! -Darrel. darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 16:36:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27710; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:36:57 -0800 Received: from island.amtsgi.bc.ca by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA27703; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:36:54 -0800 Received: by island.amtsgi.bc.ca (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tXdfl-0005UxC; Wed, 3 Jan 96 16:36 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 16:36 PST From: solo@IslandNet.com (solo) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: I need help :) and a plug :) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi everybody Just a small cry for help, and a blurb on a show up here in Vic In the next few days, I need a gif of a dj, or a couple gifs..and of people in a party/club goin off (dance floor) Can anyone help? need it for my magazine...I will give you cred, put yer email addy up...whatever. second- Bassliner and Escape Productions presents. ENGAGE Victoria, BC, Canada yes thats on Vancouver Island January 13th, 10-dawn dj's bill.e (me :) Pascal Chris P Misshi Craft 3 tix avail at door for 10bux (only about 7 for you americans!:) infolines 604-472-2129 and 604-595-6974 or you can just email me :) for dj's, musicians, artists, web-mistress'/masters and net-surfers .com online come by and say hi http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/_comhome.html light up tha decks...Bill.e's in tha haaaaooouuusssse 8) thank-U Great Gazoo crew From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 17:52:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA00108; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:52:15 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA00102; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:52:12 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15836 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:50:57 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id RAA19997 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:50:54 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199601040150.RAA19997@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Burning Man To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:50:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "'Dave Bayer'" at Jan 3, 96 12:24:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 973 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > jeans if you wear jeans)... So, please son't complain about the playa, > unless you keep those habits up throughout your life as much as possible... You bring up an excellent point, Dave; the playa should be no different than anyplace we use. To that end, I don't smoke, so no butts; I have picked up trash at every Sunset I've been to, and left none; I spent all of Sunday morning at Burning Man picking butts up off the playa. I counted 178, plus all the other trash I got -- so can I say it? SMOKERS REALLY PISS ME OFF. Every smoker I've met claims that they don't drop their butts on the ground, and every single one of them does, sometimes during the same conversation. Poison yourself, OK, but don't poison the planet with your little chunks of fiberglass? Personally, I found that grinding the butt out, then stuffing it back in the pack worked just fine for me, during the dark days when I smoked. Please, please do this if you choose to smoke. // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 18:21:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA01190; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:21:55 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA01185; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:21:52 -0800 Received: from ameba.ameba.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id SAA08219; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:29:43 -0800 Received: by ameba.ameba.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADA07.69E5BD00@ameba.ameba.com>; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:15:08 -0800 Message-ID: <01BADA07.69E5BD00@ameba.ameba.com> From: ameba To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Cc: "'ameba@netcom.com'" Subject: Wicked 1.6.1996 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:29:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Garth just stopped by and he wanted me to let you all know that this month's guest at Wicked is going to be Doc Martin. Maybe we will see = some=20 of you there. Ps.: I know that sometimes the System is a bit loud, but I also know = that when that happens I can go to coatcheck and buy ear plugs for a = $1..... Hope you all had a Wonderful New Year's Eve..See ya at ComeUnity = tonight. Peace, dj Tracy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 18:30:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA01577; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:30:14 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA01569; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:30:08 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA12366 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:45:32 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA17549 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:03:41 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id SAA20879 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:03:39 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199601040203.SAA20879@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Re: more cops and all that To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:03:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199601032058.MAA29539@blob.best.net> from "Eric Hill" at Jan 3, 96 12:58:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1099 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Speak for yourself. Your whole argument reads to me something like trying to > find a way to walk down the street with bags of speed taped to your forehead. If that's someone's idea of fun, I have no problem with that. I have a problem when anyone, regardless of nationality, uniform, or anything else, decides they want to infringe on my freedom. (And before someone pulls out the violence question, injuring or killing someone is the most serious of infringements on their freedom.) > The only way to get rid of cops is to make them unnecessary. Since you and > countless others (but not "we") have given up on evolving the ethical and > legal atmospheres that surround us in a constructive way, I don't see this > happening soon. Constructing temporary communities ("raves") is a step towards demonstrating that this is indeed possible. If we can do it for a short time, we can probably do it for a longer time. Gotta start somewhere, and the example of a working community (even temporary) is stronger than any propagandizing. "Live as if the revolution has already occurred" // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 18:31:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA01758; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:31:53 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA01751; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:31:47 -0800 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com (root@netcom23.netcom.com [192.100.81.137]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA12277 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:23:52 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA10251; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:32:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199601040132.RAA10251@netcom23.netcom.com> To: "'Dave Bayer'" Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Burning Man In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jan 96 11:46:31 PST." Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 17:32:36 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >But I doubt they would really axe the rave camp - that seems >to be against the spirit of burning man. And if they did? We would >probably just move farther away next year - though I don't know what we >would do about port-a-potties... Nothing that a high-speed ride through the desert on yer bike won't take care of -- with motivation to go fast too! PS: a bicycle IMHO is essential for the burning man experience, it's a fun reminder of Albert Hofmann's innaugural ride.... (remember "bicycle day" a few years back??). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 18:32:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA01790; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:32:22 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA01785; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:32:18 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (root@shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA12233 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:17:48 -0800 Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA11199 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:37:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199601040137.RAA11199@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 17:56:41 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream@tgrigsby.com) Subject: Re: more cops and all that X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Brian, > The bottom line is that if your white, educated, have some money(not >much though) & the crime is either non-violent, and/or white collar; you >will get off with a light sentance if any. (snip) > Statistically the group of people I mentioned above usually have but >just one run in with the law and that experience is enough to convince them >to go straight for at least a few years, (snip) > Where blacks & hispanics, & other groups continue to do the same >violent thing, like it's a matter of personal pride or saving face, it's >sooo stupid. (snip) You were doing good until you stereotyped blacks and hispanics. There's plenty of dirt-stupid white kids in gangs doing the same exact thing. > Anyone white or black who picks up a weapon & commits a violent >crime is a MACHO DUMB ASS, Amen. Grigsbeast, >>Plus, did you know that the officer that stops and questions you can legally >>take all your money if s/he _suspects_ that you _might_ be a drug dealer? (snip) >>How do you think San Jose can afford so many cops, and so many shiny >>new cop cruisers? The Merc had a great series of articles about the civil >>forfeiture laws about a year ago -- it's scary shit. (snip) >>Otherwise, they have nothing to go on besides looks -- "that guy _looks_ >>like a criminal according to my set of prejudices". Sadly, this behavior >>can be incorrectly reinforced, because of any random sampling of the population >>you pick up, _some_ of them will have, say, dope on them. Let's say you >>picked Mexicans as your target group. Most are clean, a few have some drugs. >>It's easy to say then "See, Mexicans are all fuckin' dopers, man! Stop >>enough and you'll find someone holding." The trouble with this logic is >>that since you're no longer stopping anyone else (since you decided that >>the Mexicans were it) you have nothing to compare this distribution against, >>and even if the population at large holds _more_ dope on average it will look >>to you like you've discovered some statistical truth, since stopping the >>Mexicans always works. You might as well have stopped all people with blue >>eyes, all people apparently under 23, or all left-handers. You make some pretty far-fetched assumptions, my friend. Really inflammatory ones, too. Your arguments assume that: 1. A given cop will select a certain group to pick on and ignore others. 2. That cops are not trained in what constitutes "probable cause", they just simply go on a set of prejudices, ie. whatever pisses them off most. 3. In other posts, you assume that one would rather use power -- that does not really exist, is not condoned, and is punishable if caught -- to commit violence and theft. Like I said, assholes are everywhere, but you can't assume every cop is an asshole. And that being the case, I'd say those assumptions are baseless. S > > > Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace > aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET > Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 > CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 >Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com > > From PlanET Jabip^2 > DivinE AndrogEnEn > A Narly Ball Of NGR > A REcovEring Capitalist > Approaching A HighEr LovE > AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf > A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica > > GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath > BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority > PErmitlEss PartiEs > Dancings Not A CrimE > MorE TrancE, LEss HousE > (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 18:38:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02439; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:38:24 -0800 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA02431; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:38:21 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA20857; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:34:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199601040234.SAA20857@netcom23.netcom.com> To: ameba , "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jan 96 15:29:46 PST." <01BADA07.69E5BD00@ameba.ameba.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 18:34:59 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Garth just stopped by and he wanted me to let you all know that this >month's guest at Wicked is going to be Doc Martin. Maybe we will see >some of you there. Any chance this is *not* happening at 174 King St?? If it is, there's no way I'm going -- if nothing else, to prevent myself from getting hassled by dickhead security, crowded anaerobic conditions, and people getting all snappy and nasty because they're acting like caged rats in an overpopulation experiment. Please please please oh wicked folks, please move your venue! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 18:56:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA05453; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:56:41 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA05422; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:56:33 -0800 Message-Id: <199601040256.SAA05422@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 To: mayer@netcom.com (Niels P. Mayer) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:49:33 -0800 (PST) From: johnan02 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601040234.SAA20857@netcom23.netcom.com> from "Niels P. Mayer" at Jan 3, 96 06:34:59 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 855 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk awwww.... don't be such a wimp!!! =) andrew > > >Garth just stopped by and he wanted me to let you all know that this > >month's guest at Wicked is going to be Doc Martin. Maybe we will see > >some of you there. > > Any chance this is *not* happening at 174 King St?? If it is, there's > no way I'm going -- if nothing else, to prevent myself from getting > hassled by dickhead security, crowded anaerobic conditions, and people > getting all snappy and nasty because they're acting like caged rats in > an overpopulation experiment. > > Please please please oh wicked folks, please move your venue! > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 19:30:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA07597; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:30:36 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA07592; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:30:32 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA06727; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:30:21 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601031930.ZM6723@well> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:30:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: johnan02 "Re: Wicked 1.6.1996" (Jan 3, 6:49pm) References: <199601040256.SAA05422@taz.hyperreal.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: johnan02 , mayer@netcom.com (Niels P. Mayer) Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I'm going because I haven't been to a Wicked in months. If the crowding decreases some after 4 am (and it usually does), that will be fine. And presumably Doc will close. Doc at 7 am at King St is one of my favorite memories of this whole scene. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 20:56:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA14884; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:56:41 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA14874; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:56:38 -0800 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA14722; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:56:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: <960103234753_83510227@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: mayer@netcom.com, ameba@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i agree that the king st. local is whack. i'm almost tempted to say that i won't go if it's there, but doc martin's spinnin and there's no way i'm missing one of s.f.'s finest. he my have moved to that smoggy city of star struck surface level materalisticism, but my memory of the parties i contributed to w/ him in 90-91, when he was still up here, are the greatest ever!! (watch it wiggle; see it jiggle; little stacy's seafood salad-if any of you remember these). i saw him play a month or so ago at roots and about a year ago w/ dubtribe and he rocked. i wish he would move back. c ya there! -T From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 20:57:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA14979; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:57:47 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA14968; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:57:41 -0800 From: GoLow64@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA07852 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:57:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:57:06 -0500 Message-ID: <960103235121_83512209@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: SFRave Badges Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wassup all, This is only about the second week that I have been a part of this list, and I must say that it has definitely bee a great source of info on da rave scene. In all of the messages I have been reading, I keep hearing about these sfrave badges. I would like to know how I could get one of these to meet others. I am new to the scene and havent been to any real "raves" just some sorry coolworld events. Everything that I read is up in the City, and I'm down here in San Jose. If there is anyone out there close to me into da scene please E-mail me. Thanx. Chris(GoLow 64) GoLow 64@aol.com Posted at 8:42:38 p on 1/3/96 LOWRIDING IS NOT A CRIME! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 22:19:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA19902; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:19:07 -0800 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA19895; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:19:04 -0800 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id WAA02264; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:20:44 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: Geoff White To: johnan02 cc: "Niels P. Mayer" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 In-Reply-To: <199601040256.SAA05422@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yes!!! Doc will be bustin heads wide open this saturday!! I will give a guest pass +1 to the first 3 people who can answer all THREE questions in the Wicked superstar DJ quiz :) 1) Where was the first wicked FMR held? 2) Which Wicked DJ has a track out and what is it's name? 3) Which Wicked DJ has an advanced degree and in what? Good luck and keep those cards and letters commin folks G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEXUS SYSTEMS/CYBERTRIBE-5 : Voice:(415)431-8615 Editor/Instigator/Catalyst : Geoff White RAVE: For a better tomorrow --PGP Public key available upon request-- "If I can't trance, I don't want to be part of your revolution" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 22:44:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA20920; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:44:00 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA20913; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:43:54 -0800 From: Sindar@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA24505; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:43:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:43:16 -0500 Message-ID: <960104014316_106040019@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: johnan02@dons.ac.usfca.edu cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Wanted: Roland TB303 >call: (415) 666-3739 >i have money and will make serious offer... >thanks, >andrew (astral matrix) Remember all who post messages like this usually want something for less than what the going price is. If they were willing to pay the going rate then they would quote the going rate. For all future posters of "I want a 303 etc" I am including a quick list of Roland 'xox' prices. Here are the real current prices for this gear. TB-303 $1000 and up. TR-909 $1000- $1500 TR-606 $150-$300 SH-101 $350-$500 MC-202 $350-$450 Sorry I know this is not rave related but since Andrew decided it was a good idea to post his wish list to the list I figured I would provide a little extra information. I also am aware of Andrew's attempt to under value the 303. If you want an example just check out XLR8 (I think... maybe Club Life?) from a few months ago where in an interveiw he says that the 303 typicaly sels for around $500 (actually he may have said less but I he did not say anything higher) Knowing that Andrew who already has a 303 knows that $500 for a 303 would be more than just an "fair" deal I can only conclude that he is trying to give people a different idea as to the real value of the TB-303. Thanks and sorry for taking up list time. I know these kinds of equipment requests should be posted to rec.music etc. where it would be more apropriate and where people lknow the real value of equipment and can return appropriate flames to the sender. =o) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 23:34:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA23523; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:34:35 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA23518; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:34:32 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.219] (sr-tty9-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.219]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA01460; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:34:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199601040734.XAA01460@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:39:40 +1000 To: "Niels P. Mayer" From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Any chance this is *not* happening at 174 King St?? If it is, there's >no way I'm going -- if nothing else, to prevent myself from getting >hassled by dickhead security, crowded anaerobic conditions, and people >getting all snappy and nasty because they're acting like caged rats in >an overpopulation experiment. > >Please please please oh wicked folks, please move your venue! > I agree... 174 SUX, and I won't be attending... until they change venues. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 3 23:49:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA24085; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:49:18 -0800 Received: from wired.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA24080; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:49:14 -0800 Received: (from kensey@localhost) by wired.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA23774; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:48:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Fairclough To: Geoff White cc: johnan02 , "Niels P. Mayer" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk shit. i guess i'll have to wait for the next one ... On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Geoff White wrote: > > > > Yes!!! Doc will be bustin heads wide open this saturday!! > > I will give a guest pass +1 to the first 3 people who can answer all > THREE questions in the Wicked superstar DJ quiz :) > > > 1) Where was the first wicked FMR held? > 2) Which Wicked DJ has a track out and what is it's name? > 3) Which Wicked DJ has an advanced degree and in what? > > > Good luck and keep those cards and letters commin folks > > > > G > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > NEXUS SYSTEMS/CYBERTRIBE-5 : Voice:(415)431-8615 > Editor/Instigator/Catalyst : Geoff White > > RAVE: For a better tomorrow > > --PGP Public key available upon request-- > "If I can't trance, I don't want to be part of your revolution" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 00:47:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA01069; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:47:44 -0800 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA01064; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:47:41 -0800 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id AAA05170; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:49:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 00:49:21 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Bates To: Sindar@aol.com cc: johnan02@dons.ac.usfca.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave In-Reply-To: <960104014316_106040019@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Jan 1996 Sindar@aol.com wrote: > Remember all who post messages like this usually want something for less than > what the going price is. If they were willing to pay the going rate then > they would quote the going rate. For all future posters of "I want a 303 > etc" I am including a quick list of Roland 'xox' prices. Here are the real > current prices for this gear. > > TB-303 $1000 and up. > > Sorry I know this is not rave related but since Andrew decided it was a good > idea to post his wish list to the list I figured I would provide a little > extra information. I also am aware of Andrew's attempt to under value the > 303. If you want an example just check out XLR8 (I think... maybe Club > Life?) from a few months ago where in an interveiw he says that the 303 > typicaly sels for around $500 (actually he may have said less but I he did > not say anything higher) Knowing that Andrew who already has a 303 knows > that $500 for a 303 would be more than just an "fair" deal I can only > conclude that he is trying to give people a different idea as to the real > value of the TB-303. Dude, anybody charging over $500 for a 303 is a con artist. I feel very sorry for people who pay 3 times the real going rate, because people like you have convinced them that it's worth that much. I have no idea what all those little silver boxes have been putting out since this whole trend-spreading net thing. I just know that it sure aint acid-house. josh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 01:06:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA02044; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:06:14 -0800 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA02039; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:06:11 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id BAA08690; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:02:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199601040902.BAA08690@netcom23.netcom.com> To: johnan02 Cc: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jan 96 18:49:33 PST." <199601040256.SAA05422@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 01:02:52 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Johnan02 fiercely spews forth: > awwww.... > > don't be such a wimp!!! Hey, I was raving at 174 King St. before yo' momma learned how to use contraceptive devices and before you was a piece of bubble gum that yo' poppa gnawed off some hapless raver's ass that made the mistake of sittin' down at some massive during the pleistocene era. I done my time and my crime at 174 and I do miss the days when you could breathe real air rather than the thrice-recycled "funk of a thousand years" from people's stanky pits and yeasty groin areas ... Last time I checked, we humans need oxygen to survive, and we don't do so well in an atmosphere composed of evaporations from the sweaty goo that keeps people's butt-cheeks from breakin' apart and wanderin' off in separate directions... I mean really. Have some respect for yer elders. Damn kids. :-) :-) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 08:20:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA29577; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:20:40 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA29572; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:20:36 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id IAA28592; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:20:32 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:20:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199601041620.IAA28592@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >TB-303 $1000 and up. >TR-909 $1000- $1500 I believe these are a little high, but that's my opinion from my experience. I was just looking at a list of prices paid for the 303 and out of about 20 listings, only one was over $1000, with the average running about $600-700. Out of 16 listings for the 909, none were over $1000. >Thanks and sorry for taking up list time. I know these kinds of equipment >requests should be posted to rec.music etc. where it would be more apropriate >and where people lknow the real value of equipment and can return appropriate >flames to the sender. =o) I think this is a totally appropriate place to make a request such as this, since we all know Andrew is making some of the music we listen to when we go to raves. Seems totally sfrave related to me. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 08:34:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA00641; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:34:46 -0800 Received: from netcom19.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA00634; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:34:42 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom19.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA27092; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:30:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:30:50 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Josh Bates From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Thu, 4 Jan 1996 Sindar@aol.com wrote: > >> Remember all who post messages like this usually want something for less than >> what the going price is. If they were willing to pay the going rate then >> they would quote the going rate. For all future posters of "I want a 303 >> etc" I am including a quick list of Roland 'xox' prices. Here are the real >> current prices for this gear. >> >> TB-303 $1000 and up. >> >> Sorry I know this is not rave related but since Andrew decided it was a good >> idea to post his wish list to the list I figured I would provide a little >> extra information. I also am aware of Andrew's attempt to under value the >> 303. If you want an example just check out XLR8 (I think... maybe Club >> Life?) from a few months ago where in an interveiw he says that the 303 >> typicaly sels for around $500 (actually he may have said less but I he did >> not say anything higher) Knowing that Andrew who already has a 303 knows >> that $500 for a 303 would be more than just an "fair" deal I can only >> conclude that he is trying to give people a different idea as to the real >> value of the TB-303. > >Dude, anybody charging over $500 for a 303 is a con artist. I feel very >sorry for people who pay 3 times the real going rate, because people like >you have convinced them that it's worth that much. I have no idea what >all those little silver boxes have been putting out since this whole >trend-spreading net thing. I just know that it sure aint acid-house. > >josh I say paying over $300 bucks for that bucket of old bolts is a complete rip-off. You can find that piece, if you look hard enough, for about $25-$300 bucks in used music places. Check mission street at any of the pawn shops etc. Used music stores are always a good bet too. I tried to make a bid for one for a reasonable price of $250. The guy laughed and said that the bidding was up to $800, as he challenged me to prove I had the means to purchase. I laughed. That rock ain't worht no $800 bucks and anyone selling it for more than $300 is not only being a greedy bastard, but a typical opportunist. I really fell sorry for any schmuck who would pay over $300 for that piece. I own an SH-101, and that is just as good, if not BETTER than the tb303, with a much wider tonal range. I got the sh-101 for $150. And it has many more triggering options, better range than the tb303, and has an actual keyboard. Whatever, like the man said "There's a sucker born every minute!", John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 09:30:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA04357; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:30:41 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA04334; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:30:36 -0800 From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199601041730.JAA04334@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Derrick May & Stacey Pullen on the West Coast To: 313@hyperreal.com ((313) Email List), sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves), socal-raves@ucsd.edu (SoCal Raves) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 09:30:36 -0800 (PST) Organization: Future Productions (SF/Detroit) Phone: 415/208-2770 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 352 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Looks like CPU101 is doing something March 2 with both Derrick May and Stacey Pullen booked. Also, Derrick will be in SF at the Sound Factory on Mar 1. -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 10:11:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07624; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:11:36 -0800 Received: from igate1.hac.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA07606; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:11:30 -0800 From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com Received: from EDEN1.HAC.COM by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13991; Thu, 4 Jan 96 10:08:36 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (SCRUTON@JOYCE) by EDEN1.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #5884) id <01HZLXARK2W0001I1Y@EDEN1.HAC.COM>; Thu, 04 Jan 1996 10:10:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 10:10:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: TB303 break the cycle of ripoffs To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <01HZLXARLOR6001I1Y@EDEN1.HAC.COM> X-Vms-To: EDEN1::IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk here's one simple solution to inflation; just post a whole shitload of TB303 samples taken under different settings/patches/etc, on hyperreal, so anyone with a PC or cheap sampler can play with'em Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 11:25:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA12581; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:25:55 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12575; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:25:51 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA13423 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:27:51 GMT Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA17869 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:25:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199601041925.LAA17869@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 11:45:16 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream@tgrigsby.com) Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I done my time >and my crime at 174 and I do miss the days when you could breathe real >air rather than the thrice-recycled "funk of a thousand years" from >people's stanky pits and yeasty groin areas ... Isn't that the latest raver cologne? "Yeasty Groin Funk", by Faberge... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 11:26:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA12629; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:26:24 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA12623; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:26:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199601041926.LAA12623@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave To: Sindar@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:19:27 -0800 (PST) From: johnan02 Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960104014316_106040019@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Sindar@aol.com" at Jan 4, 96 01:43:16 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2546 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry, but i must respond to this accusation. First off, i am making *NO* attempt to "undervalue" the price of the TB303. There is no sinister conspiracy on my part to rip somebody off. As to the articlae in 8LR8R, it was true that i bought my 303 in 1991 for $65 dollars. At that time, the "hype" surrounding it had not yet began and that was indeed a fair price. It was also true that the second time i went to the music store they were indeed selling them for around $500 (this was mid 1992). IT'S TRUE! Can you believe it??? I did not make up these prices and i am offended that you suggest i did. As to the current going rate of a TB303, THE PRICE STILL VARIES WILDLY! Two friends of mine recently purchased theirs for $350 about three months ago. AGAIN, i am *not* making this up!!! there is no set price for a used 303. Some people chose to sell them for $1000 and up because they can find suckers to pay that crazy price... just wanted to clear all that up:) andrew > > >Wanted: Roland TB303 > >call: (415) 666-3739 > >i have money and will make serious offer... > >thanks, > >andrew (astral matrix) > > Remember all who post messages like this usually want something for less than > what the going price is. If they were willing to pay the going rate then > they would quote the going rate. For all future posters of "I want a 303 > etc" I am including a quick list of Roland 'xox' prices. Here are the real > current prices for this gear. > > TB-303 $1000 and up. > TR-909 $1000- $1500 > TR-606 $150-$300 > SH-101 $350-$500 > MC-202 $350-$450 > > Sorry I know this is not rave related but since Andrew decided it was a good > idea to post his wish list to the list I figured I would provide a little > extra information. I also am aware of Andrew's attempt to under value the > 303. If you want an example just check out XLR8 (I think... maybe Club > Life?) from a few months ago where in an interveiw he says that the 303 > typicaly sels for around $500 (actually he may have said less but I he did > not say anything higher) Knowing that Andrew who already has a 303 knows > that $500 for a 303 would be more than just an "fair" deal I can only > conclude that he is trying to give people a different idea as to the real > value of the TB-303. > > Thanks and sorry for taking up list time. I know these kinds of equipment > requests should be posted to rec.music etc. where it would be more apropriate > and where people lknow the real value of equipment and can return appropriate > flames to the sender. =o) > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 13:08:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA23312; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:08:03 -0800 Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA23244; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:07:57 -0800 Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA22481; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:07:25 -0500 Date: 04 Jan 96 16:04:34 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: More on Wicked Message-ID: <960104210433_71165.755_GHL145-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I fully agree on the King Street nightmare - I've left voice messages asking Wicked if there's something they can do -- the security people are Gestapo, treat us like criminals, lurking about in the darkness with their walkie-talkies looking for tokers whose stuff they can confiscate -- the toilets overflow constantly (last month was a scary mess) -- the ladies room has had a stall missing a door since I can remember and rarely has enough toilet paper -- the heat gets unbearable since there's no circulation except 2 fans, and you're not allowed in the hallway, which makes a fine chill space when it's available. Ah, but I live for the music so I never miss it. November's sets were legendary and last month was fierce. We will suffer in order that we may dance! It sure would be fine, though, if the Wicked crew could find us a new locale! Or at least maybe get a little sensitivity training and clean-up from the Townsend management and staff. Too much to hope for? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 13:21:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA24559; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:21:18 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA24549; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:21:14 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com (mailx.best.com [204.156.128.56]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12962 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:00:21 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA21081 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:21:48 GMT Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA10244 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:19:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199601042119.NAA10244@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 13:39:29 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream@tgrigsby.com) Subject: Re: More on Wicked X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > It sure >would be fine, though, if the Wicked crew could find us a new locale! Or at >least maybe get a little sensitivity training and clean-up from the Townsend >management and staff. Too much to hope for? Hmmm... Does Wicked have a web page? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 13:40:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26956; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:40:57 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26932; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:40:45 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA27362 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:40:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:40:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199601042140.NAA27362@blob.best.net> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: Re: TB303 wanted...part XIVIIXX Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:19 AM 1/4/96 -0800, johnan02 wrote: >Sorry, but i must respond to this accusation. First off, i am making *NO* >attempt to "undervalue" the price of the TB303. There is no sinister >conspiracy on my part to rip somebody off. As to the articlae in 8LR8R, >it was true that i bought my 303 in 1991 for $65 dollars. At that time, >the "hype" surrounding it had not yet began and that was indeed a fair >price. It was also true that the second time i went to the music store >they were indeed selling them for around $500 (this was mid 1992). IT'S >TRUE! Can you believe it??? I did not make up these prices and i am >offended that you suggest i did. >As to the current going rate of a TB303, THE PRICE STILL VARIES WILDLY! >Two friends of mine recently purchased theirs for $350 about three months >ago. AGAIN, i am *not* making this up!!! there is no set price for a used >303. Some people chose to sell them for $1000 and up because they can >find suckers to pay that crazy price... It's funny how this gets dragged out right after all the discussions about New Year's Eve profiteering. >From my experience, the above is more than correct. One thing that happens, though, is that people will scan the musical instrumemt selling newsgroups and see people ASKING $1400 for a 909 or "best offer over $1000" for a 303 and take these quotes as the benchmark(et). What happens is that no one pays these prices (at least not that I've heard), and that if you talk to people and check out the Udes Gear Price List, 909's go for around $600, 303's for $3-500, and 808's with MIDI always seem to hover around $500. Bear in mind that these are Net Market prices and that you can always find your 606+303 for $125 as a friend of mine did recently. Also a good point brought up on the Moving Parts list a while ago noted that 909's were $1200 brand new and that maybe there's some justice in seeing them un-depreciated, especially seeing how much more useful they are now than when they were new. eh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 13:43:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA27155; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:43:56 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA27149; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:43:53 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA17104; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:43:50 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA08843; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:43:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:43:49 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: SDream@tgrigsby.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: More on Wicked In-Reply-To: <199601042119.NAA10244@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Jan 1996 SDream@tgrigsby.com wrote: > > It sure > >would be fine, though, if the Wicked crew could find us a new locale! Or at > >least maybe get a little sensitivity training and clean-up from the Townsend > >management and staff. Too much to hope for? > > Hmmm... Does Wicked have a web page? > http://www.wicked.com/ Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti shakti's in the house 'dance' From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 13:49:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA27542; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:49:55 -0800 Received: from lint.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA27536; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:49:52 -0800 Received: from mveloo.cisco.com ([171.68.192.181]) by lint.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id NAA14682; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:48:49 -0800 Received: by mveloo.cisco.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADAAB.7E50D780@mveloo.cisco.com>; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:49:39 -0800 Message-ID: <01BADAAB.7E50D780@mveloo.cisco.com> From: Mohan Veloo To: "'SDream@tgrigsby.com'" , "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: RE: More on Wicked Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:49:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah... www.wicked.com but don't bother reading it after your first time there... they haven't updated it in a couple of MONTHS!!! Peace Mohan... ---------- From: SDream@tgrigsby.com[SMTP:SDream@tgrigsby.com] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 1996 1:39 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: More on Wicked > It sure >would be fine, though, if the Wicked crew could find us a new locale! Or at >least maybe get a little sensitivity training and clean-up from the Townsend >management and staff. Too much to hope for? Hmmm... Does Wicked have a web page? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 14:12:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA29232; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:12:54 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA29226; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:12:50 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA10537; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:12:32 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601041412.ZM10535@well> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:12:31 -0800 In-Reply-To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) "Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave" (Jan 4, 8:30am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), Josh Bates Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm pretty annoyed at the tone of all these comments that have followed Andrew's original trial balloon about getting a 303. I will refrain from naming names, but let's just LOSE the insinuations about hs motives, the proper price for the equipment, the best way to buy the equipment and all the other little judgmental stuff that is spilling out. Equipment-focused newsgroups and mailing lists are full of that nonsense, people ranking on each other about who knows more about what piece of gear and how that other stuff is useless, overpriced and all that and quite frankly, I hope we keep that shit off of sf-raves. peace out phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 14:23:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA00296; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:23:39 -0800 Received: from lint.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA00279; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:23:32 -0800 Received: from mveloo.cisco.com ([171.68.192.181]) by lint.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id OAA28206; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:22:28 -0800 Received: by mveloo.cisco.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADAB0.31929820@mveloo.cisco.com>; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:23:18 -0800 Message-ID: <01BADAB0.31929820@mveloo.cisco.com> From: Mohan Veloo To: "'SDream@tgrigsby.com'" Cc: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Subject: RE: More on Wicked Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:23:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hiya... I've been to practically every WICKED for the past couple of months ... = and as you can see... I'm a big fan! ;) The ventilation used to be = really bad... especially upstairs, but its been better the past few = times. I LOVE the VIBE there... Its almost a sure thing and it never = fails to deliver. Almost anyone new I've brought there have become = instant fans. Its also in the city and I can practically walk there = from my apartment. As for the heat, I'm the kind of person who needs the = heat and the sweat to really get into the vibe, so I don't really mind. = I'm not too sure if they read their comments, but your suggestions are = great... though I hope they don't move out of the city!=20 Peace Mohan... ---------- From: SDream@tgrigsby.com[SMTP:SDream@tgrigsby.com] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 1996 2:59 PM To: Mohan Veloo Subject: RE: More on Wicked >www.wicked.com > >but don't bother reading it after your first time there... they haven't = updated it in a couple of MONTHS!!! > >Peace >Mohan... Yeah, I found it pretty quick after I sent that e-mail. Do you suppose = they=20 read comments sent to them? I was thinking about forwarding some of the = comments to them about the security, chill spots, toilets, etc. I was=20 thinking about going to Wicked Sat. but these messages have me a little=20 discouraged. I may have to keep some backup plans... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 14:37:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA01546; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:37:31 -0800 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01531; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:37:25 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA23228; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:34:02 -0800 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199601042234.OAA23228@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave To: phred@well.com (Fred Heutte) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:34:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9601041412.ZM10535@well> from "Fred Heutte" at Jan 4, 96 02:12:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1238 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > I'm pretty annoyed at the tone of all these comments that have followed > Andrew's original trial balloon about getting a 303. I will refrain > from naming names, but let's just LOSE the insinuations about hs > motives, the proper price for the equipment, the best way to buy the > equipment and all the other little judgmental stuff that is spilling > out. Equipment-focused newsgroups and mailing lists are full of that > nonsense, people ranking on each other about who knows more about what > piece of gear and how that other stuff is useless, overpriced and all > that and quite frankly, I hope we keep that shit off of sf-raves. > > peace out > phred > > No need to be annoyed. Suffice it to say that I was not bagging on Andrew at all (I think Andrew knows me much better than that). I was instead chiming in with Josh as to the rip-off's that occur when trying to purchase a piece of desired (in this case over-desired). I in no way meant to bash or be mean to Andrew, and if he took my words that way I sincerely apologize. He has said nothing to me about what I said, so I take iy he knew where I was coming from. In any case, peace. Now let's all take a deep breath, after all it is '96. Peace, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 14:38:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA01586; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:38:00 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01581; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:37:56 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:37:40 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 14:37:41 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 10:43 PM 01/03/96, Sindar@aol.com wrote: >>Wanted: Roland TB303 >>call: (415) 666-3739 >>i have money and will make serious offer... >>thanks, >>andrew (astral matrix) > >Remember all who post messages like this usually want something for less than >what the going price is. If they were willing to pay the going rate then >they would quote the going rate. For all future posters of "I want a 303 >etc" I am including a quick list of Roland 'xox' prices. Here are the real >current prices for this gear. > >TB-303 $1000 and up. >TR-909 $1000- $1500 >TR-606 $150-$300 >SH-101 $350-$500 >MC-202 $350-$450 > >Sorry I know this is not rave related but since Andrew decided it was a good >idea to post his wish list to the list I figured I would provide a little >extra information. I also am aware of Andrew's attempt to under value the >303. If you want an example just check out XLR8 (I think... maybe Club >Life?) from a few months ago where in an interveiw he says that the 303 >typicaly sels for around $500 (actually he may have said less but I he did >not say anything higher) Knowing that Andrew who already has a 303 knows >that $500 for a 303 would be more than just an "fair" deal I can only >conclude that he is trying to give people a different idea as to the real >value of the TB-303. > >Thanks and sorry for taking up list time. I know these kinds of equipment >requests should be posted to rec.music etc. where it would be more apropriate >and where people lknow the real value of equipment and can return appropriate >flames to the sender. =o) I know Andrew pretty well, and quite a few of you out there in rave-land do too. With that in mind, I gotta say that these venomous accusations and personal attacks are quite a load of shit. It insults our intelligence and the reputation of our friends like Andrew to say such things. And the part inferring that he used his interview in XLR8R as a tool to undervalue the entire Roland market for his own personal reasons was especially out of line. It sounds more like jealousy than anything else. ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. #20 TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 15:04:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA03858; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:04:44 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA03852; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:04:41 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id PAA02090; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:04:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:04:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199601042304.PAA02090@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >what list of listings did you consult to get this price info? and any >glances through the sfweekly/guardian/chronicle etc. will show you that >there are rarely any listings for this type of gear, and if you do see >prices listed, 1000$ for a 909 or even 1500 is about the going rate... > >kevin >:) http://www.synthcom.com/usedlist.html Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 15:09:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA04209; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:09:56 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA04202; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:09:53 -0800 Received: from [205.149.171.92] (bayball.vip.best.com [205.149.171.92]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA11645 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:09:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:09:39 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bayball@best.com (Alex) Subject: Begin Again Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So, I've been on this list now for almost a month, but this is the first time I've spoken up. I just wanted to let everyone know that while, according to some of you, this scene isn't as good as it once was ( I wouldn't know-I've only been around it for about 6 months), it's still an incredible thing! I've gradually brought more and more new people to parties over the last couple of months, culminating in Begin Again, where I brought 16 people who had never raved before. Everyone loved it, and, just as I was hoping, it was the vibe more than the drugs or the novelty that really did it for them, as it has done for me. They all want to go to more events. This is a great scene we have here, so great that even when it's not perfect (too crowded, too hot, pricey, fire hazard etc.) it's better than just about anything else around. I'm looking forward to meeting the people on this list at some point, but that will come. Anyway, congradulations to everyone for making our community such a great one! Alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 15:23:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA05084; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:23:44 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA05068; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:23:38 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4) id PAA04483; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:23:35 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:23:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199601042323.PAA04483@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: Begin Again X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Not that I've been around forever or anything, but it's really nice to hear a fresh perspective. When I look at it this way, I can realize how totally great that party was. Thanks Alex. Rick > So, I've been on this list now for almost a month, but this is the >first time I've spoken up. I just wanted to let everyone know that while, >according to some of you, this scene isn't as good as it once was ( I >wouldn't know-I've only been around it for about 6 months), it's still an >incredible thing! I've gradually brought more and more new people to >parties over the last couple of months, culminating in Begin Again, where I >brought 16 people who had never raved before. Everyone loved it, and, just >as I was hoping, it was the vibe more than the drugs or the novelty that >really did it for them, as it has done for me. They all want to go to more >events. This is a great scene we have here, so great that even when it's >not perfect (too crowded, too hot, pricey, fire hazard etc.) it's better >than just about anything else around. I'm looking forward to meeting the >people on this list at some point, but that will come. Anyway, >congradulations to everyone for making our community such a great one! > Alex > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 15:26:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA05349; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:26:09 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA05331; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:25:57 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA26629; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:22:26 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199601042322.PAA26629@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Hony's Pad - OK? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:22:26 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 628 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk [ to SFRaves list ] I see that Carlos is mixing in Santa Cruz this saturday , at something put on by Hony's Pad: Saturday, January 6th - Hony's Pad Productions are proud to take you on a new realm of understanding DJs Carlos, Simon, Tony, Dan & Donald Glaude. at the Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium. 415.675.5980 408.469.5079 510.885.8178 707.551.7337 Have the Hony's Pad Productions folks put on rave events before? Are they OK? It's been awhile since I've heard Carlos , or been in the Santa Cruz Civic , but I want some positive comments about Hony's Pad first before I commit. Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 15:54:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA07283; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:54:42 -0800 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA07278; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:54:38 -0800 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA14637; Thu, 4 Jan 96 15:54:19 -0800 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9601042354.AA14637@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Subject: Re: Hony's Pad - OK? To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:54:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601042322.PAA26629@netcom7.netcom.com> from "Larry Ching" at Jan 4, 96 03:22:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1033 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > [ to SFRaves list ] > > I see that Carlos is mixing in Santa Cruz this saturday , at something > put on by Hony's Pad: > Saturday, January 6th - Hony's Pad Productions are proud to take you > on a new realm of understanding > DJs Carlos, Simon, Tony, Dan & Donald Glaude. at the Santa Cruz Civic > Auditorium. 415.675.5980 408.469.5079 510.885.8178 707.551.7337 > > Have the Hony's Pad Productions folks put on rave events before? Are > they OK? It's been awhile since I've heard Carlos , or been in the > Santa Cruz Civic , but I want some positive comments about Hony's Pad > first before I commit. > Isn't this a Plastik party? I haven't been to a Plastik but there have been several of them in the past. Does anybody have any experience with them? I'm thinking about checking this out because the Santa Cruz Civic is about three blocks from my house, and that's a significant difference from the usual drive to the city. So I may end up seeing anyone who ventures out this way there. Take care, -john. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 16:13:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA08733; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:13:02 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA08717; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:12:57 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id QAA15209; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:12:53 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id QAA10586; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:12:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: SoCal Kid in Santa Cruz To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello Kids!! I spent my new years in the place I least wanted to be, Circa in LA. One word: Zoo. Complete production, complete with concessions such as pizza and cigarettes(we could not bring in our own). Anywho, it sucked. The music was pretty good hardcore for about two and half hours. I just am not into such large parties. When there is so much distraction and everyones energies are scattered I feel too lost., Well, I recognized a few SF kids at this gig, but I was candyflipped and irritated so I did not get to talk to ya. I was in a bright green dress with a black stripe across the front and black boots(never try to dance in boots... my feet are still numb) with a pacifier in mouth and cookie monster in hand. Anyone out there recognize me? Peace Out* Jamie From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 16:18:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA08997; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:18:21 -0800 Received: from firewall.opcode.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA08987; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:18:17 -0800 Received: from quickmail.opcode.com by firewall.opcode.com id aa03850; 4 Jan 96 16:12 PST Message-ID: Date: 4 Jan 1996 16:13:41 U From: Jonathan Gillham Subject: No more 303 To: SFRaves X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If I have to delete one more message about the price of the TB303. Can we let this die please. Thanks. PS I am an electronic musician who happens to like the sound of the 303 but it's getting old. Why not blow everyone away and build your own modules. Just a comment. BUMMER ! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 16:30:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA09823; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:30:37 -0800 Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA09806; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:30:30 -0800 Received: from by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA12469; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:29:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 16:29:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199601050029.QAA12469@ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: ascpb@ix.netcom.com (Arthur Thomas ) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk how do i get off this mailing list? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 17:04:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA11767; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:04:35 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA11751; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:04:30 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA20904; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:01:03 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:01:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: New years w/the R.A.K To: ameba cc: "'SF Raves'" In-Reply-To: <01BAD968.7D27DAA0@ameba.ameba.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > "Tore up, from the floor up, like throw up," ---------------- ...it's gotta go up! -=Jack=- People know, just what they like to do Whatever it is, you got it, long as it pleases you Make it last as long as you can and when you're through it's up to you to do it again. Go on and do it! do it! Do it till you're satisfied (Whatever it is), Do it! Do it till you're satisfied! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 17:16:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA12727; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:16:31 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA12716; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:16:26 -0800 From: SkiSF@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA25136 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:15:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:15:48 -0500 Message-ID: <960104201546_83960369@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NYE Spundae Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello All. I've enjoyed all the postings about this past NYE parties. But, did any SFRavers go to 1015 for the SPUNDAE party? You wouldn't think so, not a posting to be seen.....so here's my little humble 2cents. AWESOME! Stayed until 7:30am and the place was still packed as it was at 11pm! DJ line up was kickin' and Tecknotica in the basement with Carlos went off to say the least. Chill rooms we great people watching and recovery time. The crowd was one of the best behaved i've seen, everyone was nice and friendly and polite and fun. Most of all the staff left well alone. Went to the Spundae event NYE a year ago and this year was just as good, sans the riot at DV8! loved it peace -jc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 17:22:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA13025; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:22:17 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA13014; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:22:10 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA27252; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:18:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: cops and all that To: Eric Hill cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, twaxx@netcom.com In-Reply-To: <199601031057.CAA21338@blob.best.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I've had police experiences that range from skateboarding in the "wrong" > place to being woken up with a cop pointing a .45 in my face and I will > vouch for this perspective. If you've got nothing to hide, you've got > nothing to worry about. If you live in a neighborhood that tends to require > extra law enforcement, be aware that you may be treated like a common > criminal when you aren't, because most of the people they have to deal with > there are. ------------ That's the job. If you can't handle it get the fuck out of the precinct. I've got no patience for cops who can't handle their job. Would you defend a drunk airline pilot? Of course not. Then don't take any bullshit from cops, because it's the same kind of job, we can't afford people who make critical mistakes in critical positions, and misusing authority as a police officer is in fact 1 of these critical mistakes in a critical position. Moreover, I don't buy that I need to put up with harassment just because I live in a "bad neighborhood", as Ben Franklin said, those that would trade a little liberty for a little security, deserve (and will likely get) neither! > Cops are the people who pick up the pieces when people in society decide to > act really shitty towards each other. I don't think I could put up with it > for 40-60 hours a week, myself. ------------------- Then I'm glad you're not a cop. I agree with what you, about them having to pick up the pieces after people act really shitty toward each other, but again, that's no excuse. Would you work for a mountain rescue team if you were afraid of heights and have trouble dealing with cold weather? Of course not. If you can't handle junkies, murderers, corrupt politicians (oh, wait a minute, the cops hardly even notice corrupt politicians... nevermind about that!), and generally the scum of society and still keep smiling and maintain that level head, then you're not cut out to be a cop, plain and simple. Because police are in such a powerful and responsibility laden position, we simply can't have cops who don't make the grade stay on the force, any more than we can have airline pilots who drink on the job. Please join me in urging new district attorney Terence Hallinan in the best of luck in his (long overdue) house cleaning of the San Francisco police department (no, he hasn't said he's going to, I'm asking you to urge him to). We don't need no stinking disruption of private parties, New Years AIDS celebrations, Castro St. sweeps, corralling innocent civilians in the mission into dead end alleys to be incarcerated, cops who sell intelligence to the JDL on local Arab political organizations, and all the other crap these "not fit to be police" police have been pulling. Stand or suffer! -=J=- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 17:32:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA13541; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:32:15 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA13529; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:32:09 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA01475; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:28:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: more cops and all that To: Grigsbeast cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601031856.KAA12824@jobe.shell.portal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk thank you for your wisdom, I was beginning to worry we had the seeds of Nazi Germany right here on the list with that "if you have nothing to hide..." bullshit. Live free or die... give me liberty or give me death... these are the slogans of true Americans, a people who understood [note past tense] that freedom and liberty must be constantly defended... -=jack=- People know, just what they like to do Whatever it is, you got it, long as it pleases you Make it last as long as you can and when you're through it's up to you to do it again. Go on and do it! do it! Do it till you're satisfied (Whatever it is), Do it! Do it till you're satisfied! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 17:37:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA13858; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:37:22 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA13842; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:37:06 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA03417; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:33:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:33:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: more cops and all that To: Grigsbeast cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601031856.KAA12824@jobe.shell.portal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Think of how often the undergrounds thrown by people on this list require > law enforcement to keep people in line. Never? Why? Because people have > taken responsibility for making sure the event goes off safely by creating > an environment where safety and fun, instead of $, are the primary concerns. > (Example: not serving alcohol, which makes you a lot of money but makes > many people act ugly to each other.) ----------------- This is the best thought, and most appropriate point I've heard all day, and I like to fill my days with truly grand ideas! Dude, I forget what your first name is (I used to know, I swear!), But you made my day today, may you all grow old and wise... -=jack=- People know, just what they like to do Whatever it is, you got it, long as it pleases you Make it last as long as you can and when you're through it's up to you to do it again. Go on and do it! do it! Do it till you're satisfied (Whatever it is), Do it! Do it till you're satisfied! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 17:56:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA15263; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:56:49 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA15258; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:56:46 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA06762; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:53:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: more cops and all that To: Eric Hill cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601032058.MAA29539@blob.best.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The only way to get rid of cops is to make them unnecessary. Since you and > countless others (but not "we") have given up on evolving the ethical and > legal atmospheres that surround us in a constructive way, I don't see this > happening soon. ------------------ Hey! What are you talking about? I haven't given up even if the rest of you have! So now there's you and me. Anyone else want to join? >Think of how often the undergrounds thrown by people on this list require >law enforcement to keep people in line. Never? Why? Because people have >taken responsibility for making sure the event goes off safely by creating >an environment where safety and fun, instead of $, are the primary > concerns. >(Example: not serving alcohol, which makes you a lot of money but makes >many people act ugly to each other.) > ----------------- > I was going to make this point in my last post, but I thought it would be > unnecessary: I don't think underground raves (as much as I like them) are a > realistic model for a society. --------------- It is a very likely model for future society, particularly as this one self destructs. If you can control yourselves for several generations, you actually *could* do away with government entirely... it's an evolutionary process... if we make it... [I ain't putting any money down on which way it goes though, but first make yourself strong and then reach down and pull another up, it's the shit!] -=Jack=- People know, just what they like to do Whatever it is, you got it, long as it pleases you Make it last as long as you can and when you're through it's up to you to do it again. Go on and do it! do it! Do it till you're satisfied (Whatever it is), Do it! Do it till you're satisfied! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 18:47:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA20810; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:47:50 -0800 Received: from ucmsj.vatech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA20804; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:47:46 -0800 From: tim744@silicon.email.net Received: (from mm@localhost) by ucmsj.vatech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA09693 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:47:42 -0800 Received: by silicon.email.net (ucm/3.0) id AA06184.001; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:47:41 PST To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:47:41 PST Subject: Velvet Shop Message-Id: <9601041847.S183688237@silicon.email.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone planning on going to the Velvet Shop tonight. Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 19:35:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA24463; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:35:17 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA24447; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:35:09 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA21798 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:35:03 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:35:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199601050335.TAA21798@blob.best.net> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: The last little cop bit from me Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm sorry if I was out and missed something, but are the police no longer human? As far I know, they _are_ human and are deserving of the same understanding afforded other imperfectoids. Of course they are the most visible agents of power in our society and they get the majority of criticism for it, a lot of it deserved and a lot of it not. Cops control the law? You are misplacing your energies and faculties if you think that the cops are anything but the trench workers in the power game of society. Sure there are bad cops; ever heard of the bell curve? But there are bad apples everywhere, deal with it and get constructive. If you think cops are so bad because they sometimes think you're a bad person when you can prove that you aren't (keeping in mind, of course, that they've been ordered to find more badguys), contrast your perspective with that of your neighbors here in our little online social community who would tell you what you can and (page up a few messages for an example) cannot post about on this list cuz their widdle finger hurts from pressing the 'D' key. The tyranny of vocal imbeciles and public opinion is more dangerous than statistical error, I guarantee you. As much as we here seem to fight against categorical prejudices, it's telling that they are merely repressed until a convenient target comes along. In anticipation of the small-minded rhetoric flames concerned with particular experiences and stories, all that falls under "live-and-learn", unfortunately. Look at the big picture - it can't be explained by a soundbite or quote. And one last, obvious, point: if you don't like the way the system is working (I know, it's hard to see that we have one at all anymore), USE IT. Fucking vote and let the democracy work. The revolution is never finished. peace out, I'm done. eh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 21:00:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA29319; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:00:13 -0800 Received: from ucmsj.vatech.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA29306; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:00:09 -0800 From: tim744@silicon.email.net Received: (from mm@localhost) by ucmsj.vatech.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA14499 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:59:57 -0800 Received: by silicon.email.net (ucm/3.0) id AA14315.000; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:59:57 PST To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:59:57 PST Subject: The Velvet Shop Message-Id: <9601042059.S183793749@silicon.email.net> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone planning on going to The Velvet Shop tonight? Tim (knucklehead) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 4 21:19:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA00223; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:19:47 -0800 Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA00217; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:19:44 -0800 Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA07086; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:19:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 21:19:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199601050519.VAA07086@ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Is there nothing going on tomorrow? To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Hey all Just reviewed the SFRaves Calendar, noted that there's NOTHING listed for Friday January 5th! Is there anything anybody knows about that's happening that for whatever reason didn't make it onto the calendar? Was looking forward to some sort of a full moon rave, even if it was to be indoors for the winter. Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 00:39:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA12639; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:39:38 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA12632; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:39:33 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id AAA23312; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:39:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Pigs & other inflammatory shit. In-Reply-To: <199512312229.OAA02605@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My computer tells me that on Sun, 31 Dec 1995, SDream shared: > >>I'm sorry you feel that way... perhaps my opinion might change over time > >>if they would get their little pig snouts out of my face. > > > ...I would just caution you > >sir, to relax, and watch how you talk to law enforcement. If you're shit > >was half proper you wouldn't have as much problems as you do with five-oh... > >With that said I have always been offended when you call people goons, > >gangsters, pigs, whatever, since I find little use in labelling a whole > >group of people based on any singular experience. > <... > >So my man, get a clue, you offended some people by calling cops pigs, just > >stop doing it. What's to be accomplished anyway with all this name calling > >of law enforcement? > >... > > Amen, John. Law enforcement is a real dangerous job at times, and it takes > someone who really believes in what they're doing to work towards a position > as a policeman/sheriff. I have a friend up in Washington that I grew up > with who just recently became a deputy sheriff. His name is George Dvorack. > This guy is my hero. I have an immense amount of respect and admiration > for him. Law enforcement isn't a job, it's a calling. The pay is crap, you > wind up doing crap work on occasion like handing out traffic tickets, when > you put on the uniform everyone suddenly hates you or is wary of you, and > every time you go out, you just hope you'll make it back in one piece. But > they are there to protect you and the structure of the society you live in, > whether you choose to keep that in mind or not. It takes a special kind of > person to keep an even keel while doing that job. I agree totally with > John: act suspicious, and they will be suspicious. Give them a hard time, > and they can give you one right back. > > They deserve your respect. Respect them and they'll respect you. > > S While there may not be much to be gained by calling cops pigs, I can well appreciate the sentiment. I respect cops when they fight real crime. Drugs, raves, prostitution, skateboarding, loitering, lack of permits, etc. -- I cannot respect cops who prosecute such "offenses." You spoke the truth when you said that cops are there to "protect the structure of the society you live in." That is the simple truth, and it is just as true that this structure is desperately flawed in many ways. Thus to be a cop, unless you enforce the law selectively and with a conscience, is to be a misguided dupe at best and an instrument of cruelty and oppression at worst. Sorry if my views offend, that's how I see it. If any cop wants to discuss it with me in a civilized manner, I'll be happy to do so. Yours in liberty, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 01:01:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA15081; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:01:34 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA15069; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:01:30 -0800 From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199601050901.BAA15069@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 01:01:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 12707 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This week is the annual post-New Year's lull. Still, this full moon party should be fun, and I don't know if Wicked is also doing a full moon party, but they're doing one of the their monthly club nights w/Doc Martin. Doc should also be at Vanilla Fudge; the Top is also supposed to be cool on Saturdays. THE SFR CALENDAR http://hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrcal.html _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Friday, January 5th - the other Full Moon party Lineup is Jon Carel, James D., Monty, Joe Rice, and maybe Serge. call 415 536-9453 for directions. It'll start around 11pm. Saturday, January 6th - _Wicked _ Jeno, Garth, Markie, Thomas, plus Doc Martin. 415.512.5713 Saturday, January 6th - Hony's Pad Productions are proud to take you on a new realm of understanding DJs Carlos, Simon, Tony, Dan & Donald Glaude. at the Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium. 415.675.5980 408.469.5079 510.885.8178 707.551.7337 Friday, January 19th - 4 Real Productions presents _Overdose _ Simon, Dutch, Josh, Frank Nitty, Spinner, Tracy, XL, Mars & more. 415.406.4554 415.406.4238 Saturday, January 27th - _Groove Trip_ One Year Anniversary Tony & Karizma, Rig-A-Tony & Q, Osqure & Jesse on 4 turntables, and Donald Glaude, Jeyson, Scot & Dr. Zimms. Ambient room by Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research. 415.522.9958 916.556.4684 Saturday, January 27th - United Presents... World Mixman Premiere Live performances by John Howard, Jeff Taylor, Jeff Miller, Galen, Ethan, Tony and ???. Featuring the music of Seraphim Odyssey, Darin Marshall, Freaky Chakra, Bassbin Twins, Electroliners, Bass Kittens, Mephisto, Dubtribe & Deluxe. 415.273.1416 http://www.mixman.com _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... T h u r s d a y Lift - David Harness, Aaron O, Jay-J, Black & guests - $5, 21+, 12mid-5:30am, 55 Natoma, SF - 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - 21+, $5. 325 S 1st St, San Jose. 408.235.1556 uppercut - presented by btpo - djs george, aural b, tom thump, roman, cool chris, ck smart - 1151 Folsom Inferno - Grey, Darrell, Cisco, Dave - Graziano's Restaurant, 134 Pet blvd, Petaluma, CA. 707.762.4404. 21+, $2. Azul - Deep House & Soul w/Alfie & James. Casanova, 527 Valencia. Free! Swing Mode - Abstract Jazzy Grooves w/Mark Farina, Corbin, Everett & special guests. Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin. 10pm-4am. 415.773.8841 The Top - resident house player Preston - 424 Haight. $2, 8pm-2am. Full House - blinding beats and lovely skills w/DJs Finn, Bruno & guests & live musicians. Miss Pearl's Jam House, 10pm-2am. $3. F r i d a y Sound Factory DJs Pete Avila, David Harness & guests. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF - 9:30pm-7am, 21+ 415.543.1300 Mecca - Jeno, Markie, Taj & guests. 1015 Folsom, 21+, $10 - 415.431.1200 Soul'd Out - house w/Julius Papp, Rick Preston on 4 turntables @ Oasis/San Jose. Nocturnal Transmission - DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John & guests. 55 Natoma St. $5 before midnight/$10 after. 11pm-5am. 415.957.1730 Bulletproof Lift-Off/Jazz 2000/Goldie's Lounge - Deep house, garage, soul jazz & Funky beats. DJs Jayson, Ed, Kevin, George, Andrew & guests. 1081 Post St. 10pm-2am. $5, 21+. 415.255.7168 Sugar - from kit kat - DJs Jellybear, Tommy Roger, Andrew Rawnsley, & guests. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison. 9pm-3am. 21+ Go Fast - Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come too). 10pm-? 8th & Minna. Hijacked - technotica w/dj YT, The Crunch, Travis, dj Ryme, Matt. free outdoor on selected Friday nights. info:415.267.6186 Smooth Friday - rotating house and soul heads - 330 Ritch, 415.552.9558 The Top - robbie hardkiss & friends. 424 Haight, 9pm-2am, free! S a t u r d a y Other Whirled - DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera & guests. saturday morning, 6am. 201 9th @ Howard. Club Universe - David Harness, Page Hodel, Aaron O & Pete Avila - 177 Townsend, SF - 9:30-7am, 21+, 415.985.5241 Sound Factory - big club sounds - 525 Harrison @ 1st. 9:30pm-4am. 21+ 415.543.1300 Release - Acid Jazz/Funk/70's/Reggae - Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr.Sulu, Randy Wong. Housework - Jay-J, Julius Papp, Jellybear & guests. 1015 Folsom. 415.337.7457 55 - Djs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez and guests with the Houseworks. Euro, House and late night grooves with Behrouz, Suiki, Danny and guests. 21+, 55 Natoma St. 415.267.1858 Ritual - fetish nightclub featuring extreme techno & perverse trance w/Alex & Meanor. 21+, $10 ($7 w/fetish attire), 9:30pm-4am. 520 4th St @ Bryant. 415.995.4600 Vanilla Fudge - deep house and other fine hippie crap. Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights at 55 belden alley. 10pm-2am. 415.764.2903 (one of several DJ events Cafe Bastille hosts every Saturday) Vertigo - psychodiscotechnofunk w/Nikki Rivera, Ellen Ferrato, Steven Sque & Lewis. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research - live and pre-recorded ambient soundscapes, 7pm-11pm @ RAW Living Foods, 1224 9th @ Lincoln (across from Le Video). 415.789.8308 Liquid Vinyl - afterhours w/Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard & guests. $5 w/pass, $8 w/o. 2am-6am. 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 'Nuff Respect - Jungle Choons w/DJ StarEyes & DJ Thad. free; 5pm-9pm @ Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR Jungle at the Top w/DJs Shobhan, UFO, Noel & guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight St. S u n d a y Bulletproof boat party - $25 includes afterparty and buffet, 6-10pm Ferry Building (one Sunday of each month) Tickets and info at Bulletproof 629 Haight (255.7168) Spundae + Teknotika - resident DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel plus weekly guests - 10pm-5:30am, 21+, free b4 10:30, $5 after. 55 Natoma. 415.974.9389 spundae@sirius.com 'sup - DJ Mei-Lwun & Guests @ the Blue Lagoon, 923 Pacific, Santa Cruz 10pm-2am 408.684.3434 $1-$2, 21+. Sunday Love - with DJs Blesed & Darius & weekly guests. $6, 15698 E.14th, San Leandro (across from Bay Fair Mall). 10pm-3am. Leopard Lounge - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina & special guests. 2125 Lombard St @ Fillmore. 415.771.2583 jaba-jaba - 10am-5pm @ 76 Minna St (the Oddball Lounge) - 1.800.458.6916 Pleasuredome - DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B. 8pm-6am. 177 Townsend. 415.985.5256 M o n d a y Mushroom Jazz (Jazid Up) - acid jazz w/Mark Farina, George, Alex, Kevin, Julius Papp & guests. $5, 10pm-4am. _On hold - will reopen in January._ 415-905-8811 Noc Noc - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJ Mohsen, 557 Haight St. 21+. (every other Monday) MAD - Ethan, Alex, Jon Santos & Joe Rice & guests w/techno, trance & electro. at Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin. 10pm, 18+, $1 before 11, $3 after. T u e s d a y Butterfly - Casanova, 527 Valencia, 21+, $2, 10pm-2am. DJs Charlotte (the Baroness), Dani & guests Groove Room - Upstairs at Old Town, 50 University Ave., Los Gatos DJs Cooley Mark Alonzo 408.395.8600 Breathe Deep - Househeads Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel + weekly guests. 1015 Folsom in the Gold Room. 10pm-4am. 21+, $5; free before 11:30 w/flyer. 415.998.9515 Begin.... - house, trip-hop, & trance. Rotating DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley, Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, and Anna. at The Inn of the Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati. 9pm-2am. All ages w/ microbrews for 21+. 707-524-4443. the Magic Circle - Tony Fader & DJ Sifu droppin' Space Funk. 9pm-1am, Your Mama's Cafe, 5329 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR the Five-O - drum'n'bass club. DJs Jonah Sharp and a man like malcolm with mc's rasta cue tip and green. at philip's french quarter, 9th & Howard. $5, $3 before 11pm, 21+. Mos Eisley Spaceport - cybertrance & techno w/Mars, Solar, John Howard, Mystr-E & guests. 10pm-2am, club Boomerang, 1840 Haight @ Stanyan. 21+, $3. 415.387.2996 W e d n e s d a y Simply Done - Deep House residents: John Howard, Mark Farina, Loren + guests. $5; free b4 11. 10pm-late, 21+, 538 Howard Come/Unity - Simon, Jeno, Garth - usually first Weds each month - 415.241.8815. Afterparty at 201 Howard. Jive Samba - DJ's Roman & Chris Playing Latin Licks, Rock Steady Hits, and Jazz Picks. Live music with Josh Jones and Guests the Up&Down Club 1151 Folsom Boost - old school uplifting house - DJ Jamie J & Hector the ejector. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. free before midnight w/invite. 415.703.7105 Roots - Garth, Jeno & guests in the basement of 1015 Folsom and The Black Diamond - Felix the Dogge, Thomas + guests - in the lounge. 10-4. 415.512.5713 cosmic lounge - space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle. DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth + special guests. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th. 10pm-2am. No cover. A.D. - tribal-techno, jungle and electro w/DJs Magnetix, Shobhan & guests. 21+, free before 11, $2 after. The Top, 424 Haight. 415.267.7614 Reunion - Danny, Naz Cafe & guests. 21+, 9pm-, free. The Fulton Bar, 1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332 _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338 * The Groove Line - (415) 321.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Monday noon-3pm - House and techno w/DJ Unknown and guests - KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" w/DJ Seth. Ambient, experimental, ethereal, acid-trance-techno, industrial and trip-hop on KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Ambient, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, Acid Jazz and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night midnight - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 47 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@netcom.com * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Saturday morning - "The Uncle Noah TV Show" 6-9am, KDVS 90.3, Davis. * Saturday night - "Saturday Night Spin Out" w/Ronnie Libido. Trip hop, Jungle, Ambient, Experimental Sounds. 10pm-2am. KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. 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Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com - 415.506.6195 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 06:19:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA04456; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:19:07 -0800 Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA04451; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:19:04 -0800 Received: from by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA15481; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:18:28 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:18:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199601051418.GAA15481@ix12.ix.netcom.com> From: mikecope@ix.netcom.com (Michael Copeland ) Subject: Party at Sausee's house To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, it's that time again. We will be throwing a big party at Sausee's house soon. Probably after Area 51. Carlos, Dutch, Sausee, and who ever else. The cost is only $5. We had to paint the restroom cause someone tagged it. Should be a cool one. From about 10 to what ever. This time it will be in the BASSment, the back, the front, everywhere. If you've been there before you know it's the only true party house, NO NEIGHBORS at all. Give me feed back if you want to DJ or what ever. Peace M.C. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 06:42:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA05781; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:42:25 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA05776; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:42:22 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id GAA15205; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:39:06 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199601051439.GAA15205@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Going to Santa Cruz Civic? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 693 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: > From Utopia@diversion.com Fri Jan 5 02:23:35 1996 > To: larryc@netcom.com > > Hi! Who all (will) be going to the Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium on Saturday? > Maybe we can all go together! > > Todd > I may or may not go , depending on wether anyone can give an opinion about Hony's Pad Productions , who are running the event. I would like to hear Carlos mix again , though. Anyone else thinking of going? I live in Sunnyvale ( that's a town northeast of San Jose , for you folks unfamiliar with the South Bay ). I wouldn't mind sharing a ride , although I don't intend to stay until sunrise ( then again ... depends on the vibe! ). Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 08:10:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA11037; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:10:15 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA11023; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:10:07 -0800 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (ccat@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA13668 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 07:49:21 -0800 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA14920; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:05:27 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Message-Id: <199601051605.IAA14920@netcom17.netcom.com> Subject: URGENT!: Protest needed on ISDN rate hike ! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:05:27 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 6875 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk URGENT: I know this isn't rave related.. but, I think this effects many of us.. They need comments today! Forwarded message: > From com-priv-forw@lists.psi.com Thu Jan 4 17:19:30 1996 > Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:14:55 -0500 (EST) > From: James Love > X-Sender: love@essential.essential.org > To: com-priv , Telecomreg , > isdn@tap.org > Subject: Protest PacBell ISDN rate hike (fwd) > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > TAP-INFO - An Internet newsletter available from listproc@tap.org > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > TAP/CPT - INFORMATION POLICY NOTES > January 4, 1996 > > JANUARY 5, 1996 DEADLINE TO PROTEST PACIFIC BELL'S ISDN TARIFF > BEFORE THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION > > > - Pac Bell Proposes huge increases in residential ISDN > tariffs. Pac Bell proposed to double the daytime metered > usage rate, and to introduce, for the first time, per minute > metered charges in off-peak hours. > > - Deadline for Comments to California PSC is Friday, January > 5, 1996. > > - Public may file comments by fax, at (415)-703-1758. If your > fax is received by the deadline it will be accepted by the > CPUC as an official protest. Faxes may be accepted beyond > the 5th, at the discretion of the Commission. > > - The California PUC Public Advisor also receives email at > public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov. The status of protests filed by > email is uncertain, but we are hoping that these comments > will be processed by the Commission staff. (The Washington > State WUTC just announced that it will receive comments on > the Washington State US West ISDN Tariff at > isdn@wutc.wa.gov). > > > WHAT WILL THE RATE HIKES DO? > > The following is from Jim Warren's excellent newsletter, > GovAccess (available from Majordomo@well.com), in a December 27 > article titled "Telco Monopoly Ripoffs Begin: Pac Bell Wants to > Double Home, Business ISDN Rates." > > Seasons Greetings! . . . on Dec 5th, Pac Bell applied > to the Calif Public Utilities Commission to *double* > its per-minute rates for residential and business ISDN > victims, uh, subscribers -- jacking it up to 2.1-cents > per minute for daytime phone use; [and adding new > charges of ] 1.46-cents per minute for evening calls; > [and] 0.84-cents per minute for nights and weekends. > They also propose to eliminate their current waiver of > installation charges for customers who subscribe for at > least a two-year term. All sorts of other ISDN charges > are also escalated, and previous benefits are > eliminated or capped. > > > Dan Kegel's description of the Pac Bell rate increases is as > follows: > Centrex rates: increasing by $8/mo. > Business rates: > Old Each Additional Minute New Each Additional Minute > Day $.0105 $.0210 > Evening $.0073 $.0146 > Night/Weekend $.0042 $.0084 > Home rates: same as business, but with 20 free hours of off-peak/month. [TAP/CPT Note, current residential tariff is > unmetered for evening, night and weekend use] > > Pac Bell's proposed increases are clearly an attempt exploit its > monopoly power. The practical result of the rate hike will be an > extreme limiting of residential ISDN as a popular option for > Internet access. > > > WHAT YOU CAN DO. > > You may send faxes to the California Public Utilities > Commission that will be filed as official protests to this action > if received by close of business in California on January 5, > 1996. The CPUC Public Advisor's voice number if you have any > questions is (415) 703-2074. The cover sheet of your fax should > be marked to the attention of the "Public Advisor" and should > also be marked "Urgent" in large, distinctive type. The CPUC's > fax number is: > > (415)-703-1758 > > On the cover of the fax as well as in the heading of your faxed > protest letter, you should also reference the docket number: > > A95-12-043. > > The protests should be addressed to: > > Public Advisor's Office > California PUC > 505 Van Ness Ave or 107 S. Broadway > San Francisco CA 94102 Los Angeles CA 90012 > via fax (415)-703-1758 > > Re: A95-12-043, Pac Bell proposed ISDN tariffs > TALKING POINTS > > > - Pac Bell should not be allowed to impose per minuted metered > charges for off-peak hours > > - Pac Bell is proposing to charge residential consumers 39 > percent more for off-peak use than it currently charges > commercial users during peak hours. (1.46 cents compared to > 1.05 cents per minute. > > - It is in the public interest to promote ISDN deployment, and > the use of new information services that are connected for > longer periods of time (as we use the Internet to deliver > new services). Per minute charges for the service should be > avoided. > > - ISDN has tremendous application in education, entertainment, > civic participation, and self-improvement. It is a general > consumer technology not confined to a niche market, and it > should be encouraged rather than made inaccessible by an > unjust and unwarranted rate hike. > > Please get your faxes out as soon as possible. Stress to the > CPUC that ISDN is an important technology representing the next > step in the evolution of the information superhighway, and Pac > Bell's proposal would prevent ISDN from reaching its potential in > opening up new services and telecommunication advances on the > Internet. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > INFORMATION POLICY NOTES is a free Internet newsletter sponsored > by the Taxpayer Assets Project (TAP) and the Consumer Project on > Technology (CPT). Both groups are projects of the Center for > Study of Responsive Law, which is run by Ralph Nader. The > LISTPROC services are provide by Essential Information. Archives > of TAP-INFO are available from > > http://www.essential.org/listproc/tap-info/ > > TAP and CPT both have Internet Web pages. > > http://www.tap.org/tap > http://www.essential.org/cpt > > Subscription requests to tap-info to listproc@tap.org with > the message: subscribe tap-info your name > > TAP and CPT can both be reached off the net at P.O. Box 19367, > Washington, DC 20036, Voice: 202/387-8030; Fax: 202/234-5176 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 08:45:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA13538; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:45:35 -0800 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA13530; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:45:31 -0800 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM (pinbot.nit.airtouch.com) by Zool.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-Zool:MLC:950320-01) id AA20053; Fri, 5 Jan 96 08:45:23 PST Received: from eon.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA09801; Fri, 5 Jan 96 08:45:22 PST From: eric@nit.AirTouch.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9601051645.AA09801@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: NYE Spundae To: SkiSF@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:45:21 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960104201546_83960369@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "SkiSF@aol.com" at Jan 4, 96 08:15:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1351 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk SkiSF@aol.com writes... > > Hello All. I've enjoyed all the postings about this past NYE parties. But, > did any SFRavers go to 1015 for the SPUNDAE party? You wouldn't think so, not > a posting to be seen.....so here's my little humble 2cents. AWESOME! Stayed > until 7:30am and the place was still packed as it was at 11pm! > DJ line up was kickin' and Tecknotica in the basement with Carlos went off to > say the least. Chill rooms we great people watching and recovery time. The > crowd was one of the best behaved i've seen, everyone was nice and friendly > and polite and fun. Most of all the staff left well alone. > Went to the Spundae event NYE a year ago and this year was just as good, sans > the riot at DV8! i had a good time at Spundae.. friendly crowd, though definitely not a raving crowd. it was like a typical friday at 1015 except for more people who only go out on new year's. i was on the main floor for most of the time (9-8) and heard some great tunes & mixing from all the DJ's. it was good to see harry who. stopped into the basement for a bit but always seemed to end up upstairs.. i only wish i could have convinced my friends to return for the cafe :) -- Eric Pederson AirTouch Communications eric.pederson@airtouch.com 510-279-6185 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 09:58:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA18461; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:58:34 -0800 Received: from igate1.hac.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA18454; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:58:30 -0800 From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com Received: from EDEN1.HAC.COM by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11472; Fri, 5 Jan 96 09:55:41 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (SCRUTON@JOYCE) by EDEN1.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-13 #5884) id <01HZNAVK8HAO001HKM@EDEN1.HAC.COM>; Fri, 05 Jan 1996 09:57:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 09:57:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: peace and the meaning of life To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <01HZNAVKDAWY001HKM@EDEN1.HAC.COM> X-Vms-To: EDEN1::IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is my very favorite little writing: DESIDERATA - found in old saint paul's church, baltimore; dated 1692: Go Placidly amid the Noise & Haste, & Remember what Peace there may be in Silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly & clearly; and listen to others, even the dull & ignorant; they too have their story. ~ Avoid loud & aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain & bitter; for always there will be greater & lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. ~ Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism. ~ Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity & disenchantment it is perennial as the grass. ~ Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue & lonliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. ~ You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees & the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. ~ Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors & aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep pace with your soul. ~ With all its sham, drudgery & broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Stive to be happy. ~ ~ Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 10:04:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA18977; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:04:16 -0800 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18972; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:04:13 -0800 Received: from [204.71.217.92] (bigz.creative.net [204.71.217.92]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00422; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:01:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:01:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601051801.KAA00422@cyberE.creative.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Starchild , SDream From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Re: Pigs & other inflammatory shit. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Starchild, I have to agree with you! Are you having a good break? I went to Hawaii for christmas, Needed some sun... JOn Zimmerman At 12:39 AM 1/5/96 -0800, Starchild wrote: >My computer tells me that on Sun, 31 Dec 1995, SDream shared: > >> >>I'm sorry you feel that way... perhaps my opinion might change over time >> >>if they would get their little pig snouts out of my face. >> >> > ...I would just caution you >> >sir, to relax, and watch how you talk to law enforcement. If you're shit >> >was half proper you wouldn't have as much problems as you do with five-oh... >> >With that said I have always been offended when you call people goons, >> >gangsters, pigs, whatever, since I find little use in labelling a whole >> >group of people based on any singular experience. >> <... >> >So my man, get a clue, you offended some people by calling cops pigs, just >> >stop doing it. What's to be accomplished anyway with all this name calling >> >of law enforcement? >> >... >> >> Amen, John. Law enforcement is a real dangerous job at times, and it takes >> someone who really believes in what they're doing to work towards a position >> as a policeman/sheriff. I have a friend up in Washington that I grew up >> with who just recently became a deputy sheriff. His name is George Dvorack. >> This guy is my hero. I have an immense amount of respect and admiration >> for him. Law enforcement isn't a job, it's a calling. The pay is crap, you >> wind up doing crap work on occasion like handing out traffic tickets, when >> you put on the uniform everyone suddenly hates you or is wary of you, and >> every time you go out, you just hope you'll make it back in one piece. But >> they are there to protect you and the structure of the society you live in, >> whether you choose to keep that in mind or not. It takes a special kind of >> person to keep an even keel while doing that job. I agree totally with >> John: act suspicious, and they will be suspicious. Give them a hard time, >> and they can give you one right back. >> >> They deserve your respect. Respect them and they'll respect you. >> >> S > > While there may not be much to be gained by calling cops pigs, I >can well appreciate the sentiment. > I respect cops when they fight real crime. Drugs, raves, >prostitution, skateboarding, loitering, lack of permits, etc. -- I cannot >respect cops who prosecute such "offenses." You spoke the truth when you >said that cops are there to "protect the structure of the society you >live in." That is the simple truth, and it is just as true that this >structure is desperately flawed in many ways. Thus to be a cop, unless >you enforce the law selectively and with a conscience, is to be a >misguided dupe at best and an instrument of cruelty and oppression at worst. > Sorry if my views offend, that's how I see it. If any cop wants >to discuss it with me in a civilized manner, I'll be happy to do so. > >Yours in liberty, > <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 10:04:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA19017; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:04:26 -0800 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19010; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:04:24 -0800 Received: from [204.71.217.92] (bigz.creative.net [204.71.217.92]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00424; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601051801.KAA00424@cyberE.creative.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mikecope@ix.netcom.com (Michael Copeland ), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Re: Party at Sausee's house Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sounds like fun, can you please tell me when and where this is happening? Thanx, Jon Zimmerman At 6:18 AM 1/5/96 -0800, Michael Copeland wrote: >Well, it's that time again. We will be throwing a big party at Sausee's >house soon. Probably after Area 51. Carlos, Dutch, Sausee, and who ever >else. The cost is only $5. We had to paint the restroom cause someone >tagged it. Should be a cool one. From about 10 to what ever. This time >it will be in the BASSment, the back, the front, everywhere. If you've >been there before you know it's the only true party house, NO NEIGHBORS >at all. Give me feed back if you want to DJ or what ever. > >Peace >M.C. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 10:50:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA22602; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:50:03 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA22576; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:49:58 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tYHD2-000D9EC; Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:49 PST Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: #, FlyInG & AeRoPLanEs >>>>>> To: Rusty cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Dec 1995, Rusty wrote: > >Philadelphia, & on the flight back I got bored and did some, #(you know). > >My, my what a wonderful experience that was, I was comfortable for the > >entire 6 - 7 hour, & turbulence fun, fun, definately something to try. > > I just have to ask.... how did the passengers next to you react and the > steward/esses? Or did they even notice? Did you have a window seat? Any > high altitude dehydration issues? > > What an interesting concept. Next long flite I take I'll have to try. sorry this is popping up a little late, but i just read this... i tried this on my way down to san diego last summer, when narnia was supposed to happen, (except something to do with the 1st letter of the alphabet) and when i got to SD, it was like a whole new world, being in a whole new city in such a refreshing state of mind. peace out and new experiences:) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 11:07:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23751; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:07:09 -0800 Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23742; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:07:05 -0800 Received: from by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id LAA03332; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:07:03 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:07:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199601051907.LAA03332@guilder.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: New Weekly (Liquid Fridays) X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There's a new weekly opening up in Sacramento for those sfravers that are in this area. It's called *Liquid Fridays*. Here's the lowdown: 2721 Broadway Sacramento (916 484-4285 House Music 10pm - 2am 18 and over FREE Dj's vary every week. This week: Karizma and Rig-a-Tony From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 11:16:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA24276; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:16:05 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA24265; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:16:00 -0800 Received: from psychoactive.com by ultima.org; Fri, 5 Jan 96 11:10 PST X-Sender: joe@mail.ultima.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:12:40 -0800 To: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty), SFRAVES@hyperreal.com From: joe@psychoactive.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: Is there nothing going on tomorrow? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 9:19 PM 1/4/96, Shawna McGourty wrote: >Hey all > >Just reviewed the SFRaves Calendar, noted that there's NOTHING listed >for Friday January 5th! Is there anything anybody knows about that's >happening that for whatever reason didn't make it onto the calendar? >Was looking forward to some sort of a full moon rave, even if it was to >be indoors for the winter. > >Shawna There is a full moon - call the Gateway number for details. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 11:33:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA27966; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:33:22 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27958; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:33:18 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00852; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:33:13 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA13354; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:33:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:33:11 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: Joe Rice cc: Shawna McGourty , SFRAVES@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Is there nothing going on tomorrow? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Joe Rice wrote: > At 9:19 PM 1/4/96, Shawna McGourty wrote: > >Hey all > > > >Just reviewed the SFRaves Calendar, noted that there's NOTHING listed > >for Friday January 5th! Is there anything anybody knows about that's > >happening that for whatever reason didn't make it onto the calendar? > >Was looking forward to some sort of a full moon rave, even if it was to > >be indoors for the winter. > > > >Shawna > > There is a full moon - call the Gateway number for details. > > Joe > check out http://www.bass-station.com/FnF/Events.html bren Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti shakti's in the house 'dance' From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 12:01:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA00413; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:01:04 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA00406; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:01:00 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA12822 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:59:45 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id LAA27792 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:59:42 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199601051959.LAA27792@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Re: The last little cop bit from me To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 11:59:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199601050335.TAA21798@blob.best.net> from "Eric Hill" at Jan 4, 96 07:35:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2696 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I'm sorry if I was out and missed something, but are the police no longer > human? They are, and that's why we shouldn't give people such power -- it's too easy to abuse, and the motivation to misuse is stronger than the motivation to use altruistically. And so, in a nutshell, my argument goes. > and get constructive. If you think cops are so bad because they sometimes > think you're a bad person when you can prove that you aren't (keeping in > mind, of course, that they've been ordered to find more badguys), contrast > your perspective with that of your neighbors here in our little online > social community who would tell you what you can and (page up a few messages > for an example) cannot post about on this list cuz their widdle finger hurts > from pressing the 'D' key. Ah, but I can choose to unsubscribe from sfraves, and to start another list with different constraints. I can't unsubscribe from the US government and start another (though it would be cool), because the government allows no such behavior and will incarcerate or kill anyone who tries. ("treason", "terrorism", "subversion") > The tyranny of vocal imbeciles and public opinion > is more dangerous than statistical error, I guarantee you. I disagree. I can ignore imbeciles, and the tyranny of public opinion is what we have right now. Drugs are bad, because it is in the interest of several large industries to see that they remain illegal (timber doesn't like legal hemp, tobacco and beer/alcohol don't like legal anything, big oil doesn't like hemp either), so they ensure that mass media (owned by only a few large conglomerates) keeps that viewpoint fresh and strong, and public opinion (since we are trained to accept uncritically the mass media) follows. Statistical error? Talk to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Rodney King, or any number of nameless dead and injured people about "statistical error". > As much as we here seem to fight against categorical prejudices, it's > telling that they are merely repressed until a convenient target comes along. I have never called all cops evil. I have repeatedly said that the conditions of being an officer ensure that there will be more bad cops than good cops. Can you see the difference? > And one last, obvious, point: if you don't like the way the system is > working (I know, it's hard to see that we have one at all anymore), USE IT. > Fucking vote and let the democracy work. The revolution is never finished. The freedom to choose one's master is not freedom. "Whip, chain, or yoke? You're free to choose." Sure, it might be beneficial in the short term to choose a more lenient master, but don't mistake progress for attainment. // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 12:08:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01037; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:08:37 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01031; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:08:34 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15640 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:08:31 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA15854; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:08:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:08:29 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: hi Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i just wanted to say hi to everybody and hope to meet some of you girls and boys at the full moon thing tonite and at wicked tomorrow night. bren, aka, shakti :-) Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti shakti's in the house 'dance' From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 12:13:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01327; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:13:08 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01322; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:13:05 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA17569 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:13:03 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA16177; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:13:02 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:13:01 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: frisco groovers Subject: oh yeah.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i just meant to mention i'm flying down today with phred :-) Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti shakti's in the house 'dance' From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 12:23:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02009; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:23:12 -0800 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01968; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:22:45 -0800 Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA05284; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:18:24 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199601052018.MAA05284@netcom10.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Going to Santa Cruz Civic? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:18:24 -0800 (PST) Cc: MaryP76944@aol.com In-Reply-To: <199601051439.GAA15205@netcom7.netcom.com> from "Larry Ching" at Jan 5, 96 06:39:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1103 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Earlier, I posted something on SFRaves about the Plastik event called Hony's Pad Productions that's happening this Saturday at the Sant Cruz Civic - > > > I may or may not go , depending on wether anyone can give an opinion > about Hony's Pad Productions , who are running the event. I've got one positive report on the Pastik folks , and no negative yet , so maybe my wife and I will go together! ( Sunday will be our 2nd wedding anniversay , so it'll be our special anniversary thing ...). > ... I would like > to hear Carlos mix again , though. Anyone else thinking of going? I > live in Sunnyvale ( that's a town northeast of San Jose , for you > folks unfamiliar with the South Bay ). I wouldn't mind sharing a ride , > although I don't intend to stay until sunrise ( then again ... depends > on the vibe! ). > I'll have to change that - it'll just be my Mary and I in my truck! Anyway , if any of you folks are going , we'll be the older Asian/Caucasian couple wearing SFR laminates - come up and wish us a happy wedding anniversary! Larry "Red Goggles" Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 12:26:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02589; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:26:41 -0800 Received: from shgc.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02570; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:26:37 -0800 Received: from [171.65.76.81] by shgc.Stanford.EDU (8.6.10/inc-1.0) id UAA06906; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:26:32 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:26:32 GMT Message-Id: <199601052026.UAA06906@shgc.Stanford.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: piercy@toolik.Stanford.EDU (Mark Piercy) Subject: Re: The last little cop bit from me Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Grigsbeast, I agree with your outlook alot it's what I've been thinking about for a long time. Starting a list would be nice, but I see NO problem with posting items like this and other political ones on SFRaves (it's extremely unlikely they would take over this list-if thats what people are afriad of). As a generation we have been way too politically and ideologically apathetic. These topics can only do us good i.e. theres nothing wrong with being exposed to other's oppinions as long as they're not intentionally derogitory. >> I'm sorry if I was out and missed something, but are the police no longer >> human? > >They are, and that's why we shouldn't give people such power -- it's too easy >to abuse, and the motivation to misuse is stronger than the motivation to >use altruistically. And so, in a nutshell, my argument goes. > >> and get constructive. If you think cops are so bad because they sometimes >> think you're a bad person when you can prove that you aren't (keeping in >> mind, of course, that they've been ordered to find more badguys), contrast >> your perspective with that of your neighbors here in our little online >> social community who would tell you what you can and (page up a few messages >> for an example) cannot post about on this list cuz their widdle finger hurts >> from pressing the 'D' key. > >Ah, but I can choose to unsubscribe from sfraves, and to start another list >with different constraints. I can't unsubscribe from the US government and >start another (though it would be cool), because the government allows no >such behavior and will incarcerate or kill anyone who tries. ("treason", >"terrorism", "subversion") > >> The tyranny of vocal imbeciles and public opinion >> is more dangerous than statistical error, I guarantee you. > >I disagree. I can ignore imbeciles, and the tyranny of public opinion is >what we have right now. Drugs are bad, because it is in the interest of >several large industries to see that they remain illegal (timber doesn't >like legal hemp, tobacco and beer/alcohol don't like legal anything, big >oil doesn't like hemp either), so they ensure that mass media (owned by >only a few large conglomerates) keeps that viewpoint fresh and strong, >and public opinion (since we are trained to accept uncritically the mass >media) follows. > >Statistical error? Talk to Mumia Abu-Jamal, Rodney King, or any number of >nameless dead and injured people about "statistical error". > >> As much as we here seem to fight against categorical prejudices, it's >> telling that they are merely repressed until a convenient target comes along. > >I have never called all cops evil. I have repeatedly said that the >conditions of being an officer ensure that there will be more bad cops than >good cops. Can you see the difference? > >> And one last, obvious, point: if you don't like the way the system is >> working (I know, it's hard to see that we have one at all anymore), USE IT. >> Fucking vote and let the democracy work. The revolution is never finished. > >The freedom to choose one's master is not freedom. "Whip, chain, or yoke? >You're free to choose." > >Sure, it might be beneficial in the short term to >choose a more lenient master, but don't mistake >progress for attainment. > >// g ____________________________________________________ ****************Sleep deprivation is a good high.***************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 12:32:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA03120; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:32:28 -0800 Received: from mail1.fw-sj.sony.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA03108; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:32:24 -0800 Received: by mail1.fw-sj.sony.com id AA13692; Fri, 5 Jan 96 12:31:51 -0800 Received: by mail1.bc.in.sel.sony.com id AA14139; Fri, 5 Jan 96 15:31:49 -0500 Received: from ccMail by ccgate.ssi.sony.com (SMTPLINK V2.11 PreRelease 4) id AA820873922; Fri, 05 Jan 96 12:32:17 PST Date: Fri, 05 Jan 96 12:32:17 PST From: "Jacqui Kolarik" Encoding: 72 Text Message-Id: <9600058208.AA820873922@ccgate.ssi.sony.com> To: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: peace and the meaning of life Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What a beautiful sentiment--thanks for making this day that much brighter! This is one of the reasons I enjoy being on this list, lots of positive energy and love floating around (well, most of the time). I passed this on to a few friends and it was great to see that they were touched as well and are now having a brighter day because of it. Jacqui _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: peace and the meaning of life From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com at Internet Date: 1/5/96 10:00 AM this is my very favorite little writing: DESIDERATA - found in old saint paul's church, baltimore; dated 1692: Go Placidly amid the Noise & Haste, & Remember what Peace there may be in Silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly & clearly; and listen to others, even the dull & ignorant; they too have their story. ~ Avoid loud & aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain & bitter; for always there will be greater & lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. ~ Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism. ~ Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity & disenchantment it is perennial as the grass. ~ Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue & lonliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. ~ You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees & the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. ~ Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors & aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep pace with your soul. ~ With all its sham, drudgery & broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Stive to be happy. ~ ~ Dave Scruton From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 12:48:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA06194; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:48:50 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA06186; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:48:41 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20466 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:48:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:48:10 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Message-Id: <199601052048.MAA20466@well.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Full Moon Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My friend (and recent sfraves subscriber) Brenda and I are coming to SF for the weekend, if anyone is going to the Full Moon event tonight and has room for us 'twould be most appreciated. Call my pager at 415/280-7005 and let's make arrangements. c u in the future phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 15:58:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20115; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:58:58 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20109; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:58:54 -0800 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA03728; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:58:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:58:01 -0500 Message-ID: <960105185801_32959694@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: shawna-@ix.netcom.com, SFRAVES@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Is there nothing going on tomorrow? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk good times is happening tonight. call 487-6221. i don't know much about it or who's playing, i just got a message that this was on tonight. -T From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 16:00:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA20223; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:00:00 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20218; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:59:57 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id PAA01569; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:59:53 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id PAA27470; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:59:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:59:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: Begin Again To: Rick Riffle cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601042323.PAA04483@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone who complains that is ain't what it used to be is the one making it so. Keep positive and the scene will continue to flourish, despite natural ups and downs, but it will always be alive. YOU make the scene what it is, so make it what you would ideally like it to be. For me that would be pure LOVE. Peace out, baby* JamieOn Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Rick Riffle wrote: > Not that I've been around forever or anything, but it's really nice to hear > a fresh perspective. When I look at it this way, I can realize how totally > great that party was. Thanks Alex. > > Rick > > > So, I've been on this list now for almost a month, but this is the > >first time I've spoken up. I just wanted to let everyone know that while, > >according to some of you, this scene isn't as good as it once was ( I > >wouldn't know-I've only been around it for about 6 months), it's still an > >incredible thing! I've gradually brought more and more new people to > >parties over the last couple of months, culminating in Begin Again, where I > >brought 16 people who had never raved before. Everyone loved it, and, just > >as I was hoping, it was the vibe more than the drugs or the novelty that > >really did it for them, as it has done for me. They all want to go to more > >events. This is a great scene we have here, so great that even when it's > >not perfect (too crowded, too hot, pricey, fire hazard etc.) it's better > >than just about anything else around. I'm looking forward to meeting the > >people on this list at some point, but that will come. Anyway, > >congradulations to everyone for making our community such a great one! > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 16:38:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23259; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:38:40 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23253; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:38:36 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net (precipice.v-site.net [204.188.120.23]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA13978 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:17:53 -0800 Received: from ameba.ameba.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id QAA02349; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:44:51 -0800 Received: by ameba.ameba.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADB8B.14CE2020@ameba.ameba.com>; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:30:10 -0800 Message-ID: <01BADB8B.14CE2020@ameba.ameba.com> From: ameba To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Cc: "'ameba@netcom.com'" Subject: 1/27/96 Tribal Dance Party Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:29:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Add this to your calendars, Saturday, January 27th Rain Dance Production's 1st Anniversarty Tribal Dance Party with dj's: Garth, Jeno, Harry Who, Tracy, Keone, Tom. for more info please call: 415.337.4142, 510.895.7558, 408.425.3316 Hope to see you there! Peace, the Amebas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 16:43:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23607; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:43:06 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23590; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:43:02 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id QAA09342; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:42:54 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id PAA26980; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:55:56 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 15:55:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Pauline Smith Subject: Re: Hony's Pad - OK? To: Larry Ching cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601042322.PAA26629@netcom7.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I live in Santa Cruz, and the only decent thing I have been to here was when Wicked threw the Full Moon in November. I went to The Freakers Ball at the Civic, but the vibe sucked booty. It is a great line up but I am not prepared to pay 20.00 after getting suckered into 27.00 Circa just last week, but that is my personal delimma. It might be OK, but Santa Cruz kids have yet to prove to me they know how to get down. Thank goodness San Frandisco is only an hour away... Somebody Please Prove Me Wrong. Peace* JamieOn Thu, 4 Jan 1996, Larry Ching wrote: > [ to SFRaves list ] > > I see that Carlos is mixing in Santa Cruz this saturday , at something > put on by Hony's Pad: > Saturday, January 6th - Hony's Pad Productions are proud to take you > on a new realm of understanding > DJs Carlos, Simon, Tony, Dan & Donald Glaude. at the Santa Cruz Civic > Auditorium. 415.675.5980 408.469.5079 510.885.8178 707.551.7337 > > Have the Hony's Pad Productions folks put on rave events before? Are > they OK? It's been awhile since I've heard Carlos , or been in the > Santa Cruz Civic , but I want some positive comments about Hony's Pad > first before I commit. > > Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 16:44:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23910; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:44:43 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA23902; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 16:44:39 -0800 From: Phunky14GV@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA03965; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:41:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:41:57 -0500 Message-ID: <960105194120_84508812@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com cc: larryc@netcom.com, swoosh@ucscb.ucsc.edu Subject: Hony's Pad/Plastik party on Sat Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This will be (as the flyer said) the irst massive of the year.. I will attend this event because a few of my friends are moving away to CO and they are going - I know many people in SCruz going - (never been to the space) but heard its a large "round?" gym type warehouse - I have attended Plastik parties before and have had a good time - the last I believe was in Livermore (??) were Freedom was held. A little gossup = I have heard that Plastik is now Hony's pad productions and was formerly Ghost tribe productions. Ghost tribe was booted from the group for some unknown reason (to me) and this is the first party by "strickly" Hony's pad. I've met a few of these guys and have heard good ideas from them so I see good posibilities in the future. I didn't get to party NYE (workd till 3.30 am) so this will be my post New years celebration with friends. Larry happy anniversery - If I see ya I'll say hi Any other sfravers I'll be wearin' my laminate so try to over come that SHYNESS and say whas up - I wont bite...I swear... Austin ~\_G_ _e_ O _@_/~ {#}\, ,/ & \, /|\ ~V {{ // / \ _===_===_ /|/~ \\ \ / [________] \ ~~ ~ ~ ^ ^ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 17:46:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA29217; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:46:14 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA29212; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:46:10 -0800 From: Phunky14GV@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA24895 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:45:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <960105204528_84546460@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Leaving list.....also need help Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To all my sfraver friends- Saddly I must cancel my list privlidges because I am dumping AOHELL (TOO MUCH TROUBLE Can anyone send me some info on good providers in the East bay....Recomendations on PPP or SLIP or other?.... By the way my browser is f*@ked and i have no internet access right now. I will only be on-line for a few more days. Also a request since I have little conection with the City livin' an hr away and no more sfrave connectins I would apreciate if someone might "reach out and touch me" with some rave related events in the future. Not much to ask....My phone is = #510.846.5387 Thanks all...Our scene is wonderful and I will still be out in full force every weekend to support...Keep the the vibe Alive P.L.U.R. ~\_e_/~ Austin {*} / \ \ / ~ ~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 18:51:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA04593; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:51:04 -0800 Received: from beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA04582; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:51:00 -0800 Received: from mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu [128.111.148.100]) by beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu (MCL.UCSB.EDU-HPUX-1.0-b) with ESMTP id SAA02861 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:50:58 -0800 Received: from d-51.home-ip.as.ucsb.edu by mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (8.6.12) id SAA26828; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:50:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:50:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060250.SAA26828@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu> X-Sender: u2fan@mcl.ucsb.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: u2fan@mcl.ucsb.edu (Michael Ball) Subject: Re: NYE Spundae Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hello All. I've enjoyed all the postings about this past NYE parties. But, >did any SFRavers go to 1015 for the SPUNDAE party? You wouldn't think so, not >a posting to be seen.....so here's my little humble 2cents. AWESOME! Stayed >until 7:30am and the place was still packed as it was at 11pm! >DJ line up was kickin' and Tecknotica in the basement with Carlos went off to >say the least. Chill rooms we great people watching and recovery time. The >crowd was one of the best behaved i've seen, everyone was nice and friendly >and polite and fun. Most of all the staff left well alone. >Went to the Spundae event NYE a year ago and this year was just as good, sans >the riot at DV8! *delurks* hey, I was there and had quite a good time... for those of you who where there wondering if you saw me, I was wearing a Conjunction Junction t-shirt :) my only complaint would be that for some reason, Ira, the owner (my friend Jason, who was a DJ much of the night in the front room told me about this since I was upstairs by then) shut down Tecknotica early muttering some weird vague things about security and this and that...apparently this isn't the first time he's done unecessary things such as this according to a couple of my friends but, other than that I had quite a blast and was, along with my two friends, one of the last people out the door to witness other SF partygoers roaming around the city the morning after in their best clothes returning home from other parties..looked funny anyway...bye Michael Ball/ u2fan@mcl.ucsb.edu County Editor- UCSB Daily Nexus- http://www.mcl.ucsb.edu/nexus ======================================================================== "We are the mirrors of each other / in a lifetime of suspicion / Cleansed in a moment, a flash of recognition / You gave your life for it / Worth it's weight in gold and growing empires" - Crowded House ======================================================================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 18:56:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA04899; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:56:50 -0800 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA04894; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:56:47 -0800 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id SAA09934; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:58:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: Geoff White To: Fred Heutte , ehill@best.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Wicked 1.6.1996 winners!! In-Reply-To: <9601032330.ZM591@well> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK no one got all three exactly right but two people came real close so I'm giving the prizes to them. Fred Heutte & Eric Hill The correct answers are 1) 1st FMR was at Baker Beach 2) Thomas has a cut out called "No Hassle from the Man" 3) Markie has a Masters degree in Atmospheric Physics (or Science) Fred and Eric you both have +1 at Wicked tomorrow night. G From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 19:13:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA05840; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:13:12 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA05829; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:13:09 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA26999 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:11:53 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id TAA07198 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:11:51 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199601060311.TAA07198@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: NON-RAVE: cop bits To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:11:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Sean Nomura" at Jan 5, 96 03:11:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 6253 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK, I've about run out of steam, so everyone can breathe a sigh of relief. "No more posts from that Grigsbeast guy...now AOL won't start charging me for having too large a mailbox." > Your agrument is that "the motivation to misuse is stronger than the > motivation to use altruistically." If this is the case, then NO ONE should > be given ANY authority over anyone else. Humans are 'herding' creatures by > nature, and as such live in communities. In any community authority figures > are a necessity, not a luxury. If you choose to think that, I'm sorry. There will always be people with more or less experience, etc., but I have lived in co-ops where decisions were made communally, and such power as anyone held (usually by convenience: such-and-so is dry goods buyer) can be easily overruled if people feel a need to do so. The key is a group small enough that decisions can be made on a person-to-person level, instead of through bureaucracy. See my next point. > In our present state of social evolution, > the police are an absolute necessity. I have agreed with you before on this, and continue to agree. We have constructed a mode of life (characterized by scarcity of land and resources, and subsequent uneven distribution thereof) that is so unbalanced as to require a police force. > I don't think Einstein or even > Marilyn Vos Savant (IQ 223) could even question the works 10,000 years of > cro-magnon social evolution, Um, what? On the evolutionary timescale, the previous 4,000 years of city-based civilization (using the term loosely, and covering time in which _anyone at all_, let alone most humans, were city-based), are a recent aberration. The tribe of 20-150 has been (and is) the historically natural aggregate of primates, including humans, for hundreds of thousands of years. > You speak as though your opinion were some sublime wisdom from the east. I > think before making such a grossly erranous statement you'd better read up > on your Civics 101 Chapter 1 The Constitution "a government of the people, > by the people, and for the people". Please don't insult me, sir. The First Amendment also specifies that freedom of assembly and the press shall not be infringed. We won't even get into unreasonable search and seizure, quartering of armies during peacetime, and enumerated rights, because they are currently a sick joke (and if you don't believe me, go read the Bill of Rights yourself). The US Government today is in violation of almost every Constitutional provision and amendment you can name -- which helps to prove my point that power tends to be abused, no matter how well constructed or intended. > No one is choosing a 'master' of anyone > else, but a person who represents the majority of the opinions of those > proactive within the goverment. Who are your city council members? Who's on your county board of supervisors? Can you name your local elected judges? Can you name your state and Federal senators and congresspersons? How about your local ombudsmen/women, water quality board members, city manager, mayor, vice mayor, zoning commission, and all the other people whose decisions directly affect how you live your life? It's practically a full time job to even know their names, much less know anything about them and the decisions they make. Government has become so large and pervasive that it is impossible for citizens to place reasonable checks on it, because just finding out what it's doing is more time than anyone has. I do not think that it is reasonable to blame citizens for not fixing something too big to comprehend, let alone affect. The only thing to be done is reduce it to a size such that people can participate in it in a meaningful way -- which means, compared to the current leviathan, effectively zero. For example, the Iroquois Confederation, upon which much of the Constitution was based. > Grigs, I think that your heart is in the right place, and that you have the > desire to do good. I do, however, suggest that before you make posts and > make statements that sound like sublime truth instead of opinion, that you > deeply contemplate the logic and validity of your statements. I have. I used to be a classical liberal, then a socialist, then a Green libertarian, now a green Darwinian pro-situ SubGenian anarcho-motorcyclist (for lack of a better term). Been there, done that, read the books, bought the T-shirts. Each dogma eventually came up short, _because_ they were dogma, and depended on centralized power enforcing the behavior of others. I then decided to change myself first to the degree I could, and point at examples of what I mean (co-ops, raves, etc.) instead of getting sucked into arguments like this. Oh well, I'm not perfect yet. And as far as I know, my heart is still in my ribcage >%^) > These are > only 2 examples of the many posts you've made that were grossly erranous in > fact, ethics, and analytic rationale. I am very concerned because many of > the statements that you have made are not only faulty, but mentally, > spiritually, and socially toxic to the less experienced and more subverted > individuals who will read these posts. Please consider these ramafications > in the future. I have never stopped examining my beliefs, which is why I'm where I am. However, if telling people that one can have freedom if one takes the responsibility of being free is "mentally, socially, and spiritually toxic", then I guess I'll slap on that "BIOHAZARD" sticker and move on. But seriously, I believe that information is only dangerous to those who would hoard it, and freedom is only dangerous to those who would deny yours to suit their purposes. As you said, people can hit 'D' anytime, and if you want the standard viewpoint on things you can go read Time, Newsweek, or the Chronicle or Merc, or go watch the news. I just find it curious that, on a list where people spend most of their time talking about how to throw parties without getting shut down by the government and its agents, many people are so quick to defend it. Instead of trying to reform "the system", maybe some thoughts about alternatives are in order...? Just a toxic thought. "WHITE PUNKS ON HOPE" // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 19:35:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA06938; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:35:12 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA06932; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:35:08 -0800 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA14061 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:14:14 -0800 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA10838; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:32:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:32:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060332.TAA10838@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: See ya there! To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Hey all Look for me at FMR tonight! I'll be wearing a distinctive t-shirt, once you see the front of it, you'll recognize it in an instant! So if you see it, come up & say hi! I always enjoy meeting new sfravers, and also enjoy re-meeting ones I've met before. So I'll see you there! Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 19:40:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA07242; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:40:14 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA07229; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:40:11 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id TAA01535; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:40:07 -0800 X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 19:41:33 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Re: SoCal Kid in Santa Cruz Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jamie Pauline Smith wrote: >never try to dance in boots... I do. It cuts down your nimbleness a bit, but it's doable. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 5 20:14:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA08809; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:14:26 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA08801; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:14:22 -0800 From: GoLow64@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA14731 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 23:13:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 23:13:32 -0500 Message-ID: <960105231330_107855891@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: WILL RAVE FOR FOOD!!! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wassup fellow sfravers my name is Chris, I'm 20 years old, and I live in da South Bay. I've only been on this list for a couple of weeks, and enjoy reading what people have to say about all the parties. I myself have not yet been to a real "rave", thus I am posting this message. I know this will probably sound desperate, but I'm looking for some fellow sfravers to let me "tag along" wit them to some events. I'm not really into the drug thing, just want to dance, meet new friends, and just kick it and have a good time. I would also like to meet and keep in contact with some people in da City so when I go up there, I have some friends to chill wit. I am more than happy to help with funds for gas or whatever. Everyone posting all these messages about how fun all these raves are, and I'm stuck down here in San Jose with nowhere to go! Most of my friends dont know shit about raves and are not interested in them at all(can you believe that?) Well peace, love, and all dat to any and all that have stuck through this message. If you want to get back to me, you can E-mail me, or call me on my cell at 408.896.4143 anytime after 7pm. Thanx!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Chris (GoLow 64) LOWRIDING IS NOT A CRIME :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 00:27:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA21218; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:27:06 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA21212; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:27:04 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.215] (sr-tty5-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.215]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA08895 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:26:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060826.AAA08895@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:32:18 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Gateway number is broken Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Been trying the Gateway number all evening, checked with repair and they said it was out of order. If anyone ever gets through, would they please phone me? Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 00:45:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA23689; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:45:28 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA23684; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:45:25 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.224] (sr-tty14-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.224]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA12093 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:45:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199601060845.AAA12093@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 00:50:40 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Don't go to FMR at Presidio Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FMR MOVED!! Clair says to refrain from calling the Gateway number until AFTER 1 am. She will also phone me and I'll post it before I leave, so stay tuned. Gateway number is busy, and Clair needs to call into it to update the info, so please wait... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 02:08:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA27891; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 02:08:03 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA27806; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 02:07:58 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Sat, 6 Jan 1996 02:07:52 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 02:07:52 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Full Moon @ presidio busted (but I am told it's moving) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The US Park Police have been *very* effective at harassing all potential FMR goers tonite in the Presidio. I am not sure if the park police actually shut down the sound system itself but when I got near the party location I was pulled over three times in my car in a 10 minute period and harassed by two different officer (one of them harassed me twice!) It seemed that the police knew something was happening around there and the way they were dealing with it was to pull over *any* car that was driving through the Presidio and question them and search their vehicle. Anyway, the plan is to move the party to a new location around 2am. So call the voice mail info line for more details on where it will be moved to. 415 536 9453 is the number. ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 04:23:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA06279; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 04:23:56 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA06274; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 04:23:53 -0800 From: TKagnoff@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA26466 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 07:23:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 07:23:21 -0500 Message-ID: <960106072320_33396344@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Communal Full Moon Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk glad i missed this one! soundz hectik w/ all the harrassing cops. i just got back and checked the line and the message was that there were some arrests. bummer. instead a firend and i decided to go to corona heights park for a drum cricle. i'd say about 30 or more peope were there bangin' n singin' n groovin' around a fire. fun vibe, bright moon, and what a view! if you haven't been there take Divisadero or Castro to sixteenth. head west to Flit. there's a path to your left that goes to the top. check it every full moon and bring some percussion. bon soir tout! -T From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 05:23:46 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA08109; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 05:23:46 -0800 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA08104; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 05:23:43 -0800 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.3/UCD3.4.3) id FAA12427; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 05:23:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 05:23:38 -0800 (PST) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: MECCA friday night/saturday morning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So me and two friends were wondering where to go Friday night. We passed the endup and thought that we might wind up there at some point. We passed Club X and scoffed. We wound up at Mecca. I must say I had one of the best experiences I have ever had at a club! Great vibe, really nice friendly people, great tunes fun location great lighting effects. I give it two thumbs up. :) --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 11:04:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA23767; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:04:06 -0800 Received: from Steam.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA23761; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:04:03 -0800 Received: (from buvac@localhost) by Steam.Stanford.EDU (8.7.1/8.7.1) id LAA10526; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:03:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:03:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601061903.LAA10526@Steam.Stanford.EDU> To: geoffw@nexsys.net CC: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-reply-to: (message from Geoff White on Fri, 5 Jan 1996 18:58:22 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: Wicked 1.6.1996 winners!! Reply-to: buvac@cs.Stanford.EDU From: buvac-lists@cs.Stanford.EDU Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thank you for sharing this exciting, fascinating, and useful information with us: > The correct answers are > > 1) 1st FMR was at Baker Beach > 2) Thomas has a cut out called "No Hassle from the Man" > 3) Markie has a Masters degree in Atmospheric Physics (or Science) > > SASA From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 11:28:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA25221; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:28:16 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25215; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:28:13 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp415.liberty.com [206.17.67.111]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA26538; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:27:49 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:27:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199601061927.LAA26538@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@mail.liberty.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Darkness Subject: Give Me Liberty & Forget AOL & PACBell (Non-Rave) Cc: Dave Salch Sysop Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Ok peoples anytime your interested in keeping more of your online money & getting more services for less, send me some E-Mail, & I will turn you on to an IP that's totally cool & lax. For $25/month you get a Dynamic PPP/ or CSLIP Account, Full Blown Linux Shell Account including complier, Liberty BBS Account;(Ending Up with 2 different E-mail Addresses), Unlimited Usage of the Internet, 5MB of free Storage In The Shell, 5MB Homepage, Galacticomm BBS Front End, Galacticomm; The Leader In Non-Criptic BBS Chat; including Worldlink, Chatlink, IRC, Talk, ...etc, local free dialups all over Cali, Sprit Net, MCI Net, PACBell Net, as well as Cocentric Net(They claim no internet lag), Telnet, Finger, FTP, Gopher, WWW, Webbrowser, + the rest of the internet fuctions ..etc, Full 15 Hours A day/7 Days a week Tech Support, ...etc. Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 12:01:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA27384; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:01:02 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA27369; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:00:59 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA29907; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:59:59 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 11:59:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199601061959.LAA29907@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: mikecope@ix.netcom.com (Michael Copeland ) Subject: Re: Full Moon @ presidio busted (but I am told it's moving) To: "Wayne D. Correia" Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: > >The US Park Police have been *very* effective at harassing all potential >FMR goers tonite in the Presidio. > >I am not sure if the park police actually shut down the sound system itself >but when I got near the party location I was pulled over three times in my >car in a 10 minute period and harassed by two different officer (one of >them harassed me twice!) It seemed that the police knew something was >happening around there and the way they were dealing with it was to pull >over *any* car that was driving through the Presidio and question them and >search their vehicle. > It is against the LAW foe police to harass you, also it is AGAINST the law for the police to search your car unless they have probable cause. I've been pulled over just because I was wearing a bee-nee(sp). The cop wanted to search my car and I said NO. They don't have the right to even stick their head in your car. It is private property! He kept trying to say that I has hiding something. I was not. I had absolutely nothing Illegal in the car at all. I just didn't want him to search it. They have to get a warrant to search your car if you refuse to let them. If they happen to damage your car in a search, they are responsible for it. One time a cop shorted out my friends amp with his metal flashlight. It was pretty cool to get a new one paid for by the Police. Peace M.C. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 12:43:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA01545; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:43:48 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA01533; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:43:42 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:43:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:43:30 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: Full Moon @ presidio busted (but I am told it's moving) Cc: mikecope@ix.netcom.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:59 AM 01/06/96, Michael Copeland wrote:>You wrote: >> >>The US Park Police have been *very* effective at harassing all >potential FMR goers tonite in the Presidio. >> >>I am not sure if the park police actually shut down the sound system >itself >>but when I got near the party location I was pulled over three times >in my >>car in a 10 minute period and harassed by two different officer (one >of >>them harassed me twice!) It seemed that the police knew something was >>happening around there and the way they were dealing with it was to >pull >>over *any* car that was driving through the Presidio and question them >and search their vehicle. >> > >It is against the LAW foe police to harass you, also it is AGAINST the >law for the police to search your car unless they have probable cause. >I've been pulled over just because I was wearing a bee-nee(sp). The cop >wanted to search my car and I said NO. They don't have the right to >even stick their head in your car. It is private property! He kept >trying to say that I has hiding something. I was not. I had absolutely >nothing Illegal in the car at all. I just didn't want him to search it. >They have to get a warrant to search your car if you refuse to let >them. If they happen to damage your car in a search, they are >responsible for it. > One time a cop shorted out my friends amp with his metal flashlight. >It was pretty cool to get a new one paid for by the Police. > >Peace >M.C. Yeah, but they can also arrest you "hassling them", even if it's not a legal arrest that would/could result in any kind of charge -- i.e. refusing to the search, they can arrest you for "resisting arrest", put you in the can, tow and store your car, etc. for any contrived reason, including simply being uncoopreative. Remember that when an officer asks you for your license, you need to quickly and politely give it to him, becuase at that moment you are *technically* under arrest. Anything you do that is not cooperative can be considered *resisting arrest*. Yes, I know that it sucks, but it's the truth. In my case, during my second stop, he said that "he was in the middle of an investigation" (which I took as the investigation of the party going on somewhere in his area of jurisdiction) and his probable cause to stop *me* specifically was that my car doesn't have a front license plate. My 10-28/10-29 (car/person radio check) came back clean (of course), he interrogated me as to my whys and wheres (why are you here, where are you going, what are you doing in the Presidio at night), I answered with *just enough* information to satisfy his questions, we talked about my car for a minute or two, and he let me go on my way. Even though I resented being stopped that second time, he still did have cause to stop me because of my missing license plate, and I knew it. In fact, he could have given me a $30 fix-it ticket and he didn't, so I was actually pretty happy about that. The first and third times I was stopped it was for simply *being* and *driving* on public roads inside the Presidio, and those times were definitely harassment, pure and simple. ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 15:20:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA10213; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:20:51 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA10208; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:20:47 -0800 Received: from ameba.ameba.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id PAA03337; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:28:26 -0800 Received: by ameba.ameba.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADC49.83A28720@ameba.ameba.com>; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:13:20 -0800 Message-ID: <01BADC49.83A28720@ameba.ameba.com> From: ameba To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Cc: "'ameba@netcom.com'" Subject: Phil Salters new weekly Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:13:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey folks mark ameba here ... we just got flyers for a new weekly in concord KINETIC... tuesdaysdj Phil Salter and guests 2325clayton road 21 + 510-946-5005 Phil Played at my Tribal Future party and was really great , check out his weekly and tell him I sent you also put this on the calender adios amebas ya ta hay From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 16:32:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA15297; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:32:42 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA15281; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:32:36 -0800 From: Foustus@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA02319 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:32:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:32:02 -0500 Message-ID: <960106193201_85024445@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Technophobia (bsp) F-8 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To all those in Tranceland, This just in. Your friendly DJs are going to be hosting an event tonight. The very best in cybertrance from DJs Mars, Myster-E, and CYR plus special guests. Instructions to the map point will be at 1.415.541.5019. The event starts at 11pm till ... Shuttle service from map point to event. All this for only three bucks! Spins, p.s. C-ya there! Adam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 16:47:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA16702; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:47:37 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16694; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:47:27 -0800 Received: from sfasc242.slip.net (sfasc242.slip.net [206.14.14.242]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA21394 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:47:15 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 16:47:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199601070047.QAA21394@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SFraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: Frequency-8 TONIGHT (BSP) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We have decided to do a Frequency-8 event tonight. The weather is beautiful and with the powerful Full Moon comming to an end, it sets the mood for a new cycle, (hopefully a little less crazy). If you'd like to join us, please contact our store or info line. There will be a map point from 11 to 1:30am SHARP! DJ's MARS MYSTR-E CYR See you there and Stay Tuned In... P.S. May The FORCE Be With Us!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 19:18:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA26478; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:18:31 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA26471; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:18:28 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA15105; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:05:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199601070305.TAA15105@netcom22.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Date: Sat, 06 Jan 96 19:05:26 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk questions: (1) any rave DJ's playing there?? If not, it would behoove some rave "group" to contact mayor-elect brown and get permission to hold an outdoor rave event in front of the party (read, "dancing in the streets" for us, and "pleasurable overflow crowd control" for them). (2) i think it's on tuesday? anybody got more or correct information? Surely there's some interested political bridge-builders, politically connected readers, and/or interested DJ's lurking or posting on this list? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 19:56:39 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28309; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:56:39 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA28304; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:56:34 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA20329; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 19:53:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199601070353.TAA20329@netcom22.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 06 Jan 96 19:05:26 PST." <199601070305.TAA15105@netcom22.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 96 19:53:16 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the party is actually the inauguration party on monday. still don't know where it's gonna be... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 20:40:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA00824; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:40:21 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA00818; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:40:18 -0800 Received: from holonet.net (root@guardian.holonet.net [198.207.169.11]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA14942 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:17:48 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id UAA13155; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:23:28 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: What is up, tonight? Date: 06 Jan 1996 20:15:30 GMT Message-Id: <1812070366.22458467@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of anything tonight besides Wicked, and the Hony party in SC? (I just heard about the F-8 party)................ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 20:42:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA00891; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:42:24 -0800 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA00885; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:42:21 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA03176; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:38:59 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:38:59 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Niels P. Mayer" From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >the party is actually the inauguration party on monday. still don't know >where it's gonna be... > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >= Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I heard Da Mayor will be sworn in @ Pier 42. I am going, and trying to get my posse to go so we can grub on FREE crab, shrimp, steak and assorted other goodies. Get ready people, SF will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER be the same after Monday. And: Why can WE have a party using one of the piers? Maybe it's time we ask for permits to have a party there. If Da Mayor can, why can't we? Asnwer: We ain't Da Mayor! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 6 23:07:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA07331; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:07:21 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA07326; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:07:18 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:07:08 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 23:07:08 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: i'll see you at Wicked tonite! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If you're going, see you there! This week's guest is Doc Martin! -w ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 07:33:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA04451; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:33:41 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA04443; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:33:38 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id HAA17829; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:33:35 -0800 X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 07:35:00 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Plastik Party Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I had a damn good time. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 08:43:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06993; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:43:40 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA06988; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:43:36 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp415.liberty.com [206.17.67.111]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA26028 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:43:17 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:43:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199601071643.IAA26028@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian Darkness Subject: Liberty Information Service Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Either call 800-218-5157 via voice Monday and ask to talk with Lou Vallier, or Dave Salch(Sysop, Dave is totally cool sysop type guy, I think there should be a sysop's day just for Dave), or call 800-474-1818 via modem to create a new account. Someone asked is the $25/month a flat rate, yes it is, for unlimited connect time, all day everyday as long as there up!!! I think Liberty is great, & they have there problems just like everyone else. I like them because their a big/small provider. I practically know everyone who works there, just from doing bussiness with them for over a year now, and am very happy. Technical support is available via voice, or chat from 9am to 12pm 7 days a week. Also, Liberty has no real sales force, their users are the sales force. If you get enough people to sign up you can actually get PAID $$$$ to use their service. I think if you get 9 people to sign up you end up making like $2.00/month & use the service for free, it's really cool. There's no limit on the amount of comission you can make, the only limit is the number of people you get to sign up. Honest I wouldn't sell you something I either didn't use myself, or didn't receive excellent feedback on, my reputaion is worth much more to me than free Internet access. The fact is actually right know I've never gotten anyone to sign up at this point so I'm still paying the $25/month. But if ya do decide to join, just mention that I Brian Darkness told ya about it and I will get credit for it. See ya in the chat area. Peace, Love & P^3 From Across Cyberspace aka Brian DarknEs^2, LMT/EE/CET Toll Free, Nationwide Pager & Voice Mail @800-590-4993 CT Active Voice & Fax @510-595-7988 Internet E-Mail Address(Linux Shell Account): brianvan@mail.liberty.com From PlanET Jabip^2 DivinE AndrogEnEn A Narly Ball Of NGR A REcovEring Capitalist Approaching A HighEr LovE AdoptEd By ThE Fairly PrincEss HErsElf A ParasitE On ThE Aurora Of CorporatE AmErica GivE mE LibErty or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority PErmitlEss PartiEs Dancings Not A CrimE MorE TrancE, LEss HousE (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 10:33:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA12316; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:33:12 -0800 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA12310; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:33:09 -0800 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA14679; Sun, 7 Jan 96 10:32:44 -0800 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9601071832.AA14679@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Subject: Plastik Party To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:32:43 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 93 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So Plastik... What a fucking great rave. Just what I think I wanted for New Years. -john. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 10:38:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA12660; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:38:52 -0800 Received: from tiny.sprintlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA12654; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:38:49 -0800 Received: from quiknet1.quiknet.com (quiknet1.quiknet.com [204.94.125.1]) by tiny.sprintlink.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27826 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:38:46 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:38:46 -0500 Received: from fo-61.quiknet.com by quiknet1.quiknet.com id aa16881; 7 Jan 96 10:38 PST X-Sender: franknw@quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Nathan Donato Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Message-ID: <9601071038.aa16881@quiknet1.quiknet.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Get ready people, SF will NEVER, >I repeat, NEVER be the same after Monday. > why do you assume sf will never be the same? arent you setting yourself up for letdown? i thought the same thing when Bill was elected, but he hasnt done anything revolutionary... and after all-- i like Brown but how much can he do, really? nate From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 13:32:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA25048; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:32:16 -0800 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA25043; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:32:13 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA15533; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:28:54 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:28:54 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Get ready people, SF will NEVER, >>I repeat, NEVER be the same after Monday. >> > >why do you assume sf will never be the same? arent you setting yourself up >for letdown? i thought the same thing when Bill was elected, but he hasnt >done anything revolutionary... and after all-- i like Brown but how much can >he do, really? > >nate First off the party will be @ Pier 45. At least that's what the news is saying, and that's also the word on the street. As for my comments, how can you not see that SF will never be the same? Fact: ALL the board of supervisors are backing willie brown EXCEPT for Tom "Say Shay" Sheih. Fact: ALL of his politico cronies are throwing this big bash, food and all, voluntarily. Fact: Willie Brown called himself, the Ayatollah of the Assembly. You are about to witness a political machine that will make Mayor Daley's Chicago stint seem like an off broadway act. Sf is about to get a real political maven as it's mayor and as such, you will see things you have not seen, in terms of political movement, in decades. This will also be one fun city. C'mon, Frank Jordan was a nice guy, but he was quite uninteresting. Our Da Mayor has been seen, with active camera crews, shopiing for new hats, clothes. He has made announcements as to what types of suits he will be wearing along with other outrageous fun stuff. This place is one party city (it IS where Willie hangs out), and he will turn this place into a serious party town (everyone knows willie LOVES parties). If you think it's going to be business as usual, you run the risk of being labellled politically naive. No, I'm afraid that I'm quite correct. This place will never be the same. As for him not meeting my expectations, I have no expectations of him other than he run this place like Daly ran Chi-Town. I doubt seriously that I'll be disappointed. Peace, John Directions to SF from SJ: Go North 60 Miles, and make a sharp left! I Love SF, I'm glad we don't have republican shit here, and I'm glad this is one left-wing ultra liberal political machine city! Out. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 13:51:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26069; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:22 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26060; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:19 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id NAA16054; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:15 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id NAA22048; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:15 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:15 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: Plastik Party To: John Elias Darrow cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9601071832.AA14679@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i had a good time also......just plain fun! dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 13:52:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA26140; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:52:03 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA26125; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:52:00 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAB22540 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:54:02 GMT Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA26791 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:59 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:51:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199601072151.NAA26791@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Saturday Night X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Naw, I'm really not up to it tonite. ... Besides, I poured it >on so hard during New Years Day, I'm probably not gonna go out for a little >while. Wicked is fun! Enjoy! ... At first, Wicked was GREAT! Fantastic music, great vibe! But around, oh, 2am, they started having serious problems with the sound system. Massive feedback. It would be ok for a while, then BOOM! I had finally remembered to bring ear plugs, and even then I could tell it was really loud, earth shattering feedback. Finally, we got kinda irritated with it and took off. Besides, we had a newbie that couldn't stay out too late, so we went to Treasure Island, put some tunes on, and danced next to the bay with a view of the city. T From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 14:46:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA29212; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:46:18 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA29205; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:46:12 -0800 Received: from sf-pm8-133.slip.net (sf-pm8-133.slip.net [206.14.14.133]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA16384 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:46:01 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:46:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199601072246.OAA16384@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com (San Trancisco Raves) From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown blah blah... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey y'all, There are actually 3 parties on Monday to bring in ol' Willie. One is open to the public, and the other two are private (but if yer willing, maybe you can sneak in ;). We've been invited to all three, so the day should be interesting. Freebie: Soul of the City 6pm at pier 45, Embarcadero at the foot of Jefferson Party Attire requested Invite: 11:30am at Yerba Buena Gardens (Invite, but Yerba Buena is public space, so go for it) Invite: 4:45pm at St. Patricks Church, 756 Mission St. (Space limited to the capacity of the church. Again, public space). Though we haven't been up for playing or anything up, we plan on approaching Da Mayor and informing him that the kids in SF want to dance again. Hopefully, T.Hallinen will be there and we can ask to see what steps need to be taken to request changes in the current laws that prohibit all age dancing in SF. With everyone in good spirits, perhaps they'll remember us later. Later, once they get into the routine of their new jobs, it would probaby be cool to get some signatures and approach Hallinen and/or the Supervisors and request making some changes. Change doesn't come easy, but with a little persistence, maybe we can get the authorities in this town to relax and let us dance. I'm not much of a political activist, so those with more experience should come on down to one of the above parties. later... Jonas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 15:06:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA00450; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:06:11 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA00441; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:06:08 -0800 Received: from sfasc187.slip.net (sfasc187.slip.net [206.14.14.187]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA18677 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:05:58 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:05:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199601072305.PAA18677@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: Looking for Greg and Cindy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If Greg , Cindy or anyone who knows how to contact them can get in touch with me, Moonpub left their blue bag full of stuff in my car on Friday, so please contact me here at illumin8@frequency-8.com or at jjudd@sfsu.edu and we'll work out gettin it back. Jonas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 15:25:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA01255; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:25:28 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA01249; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:25:24 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.222] (sr-tty12-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.222]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA12743; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:25:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199601072325.PAA12743@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:30:40 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Freq-8 goa trance in the woods Cc: ausrave@smug.student.adelaide.edu.au Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Frequency 8 Trance in the Woods ----------------------------------- This Sat evening calendar of rave events was really sparse. The FMR was busted, which left only Wicked. Late Sat Afternoon I talked with Jonas Judd at Frequency-8 and was able to talk him (And Mars) into throwing an outside underground Trance party, and sure enough, a posting was made in SFRaves about the party, so my next job was to fork a ride. I finally was able to get there, which was on a wide spot of a famous trail (refraining from giving any location info). For setting up an outdoors renegade on such short order, a day after FMR was busted, shows a lot about the dedication of the trance movement here in SF which is growing and thriving very well. We get there about midnight and found the last parking spot on the main road and headed into the woods. My friend Pete who's a first time Raver wasn't sure this was going to go off, but as we approached the area, we could hear the music and see the lights shining from the trees and the cliffs. Surge was spinning some incredibly sick acid trance, which echoed through the forest in such a way as to enhance the entrancing effect of the music. Just last week, I met Surge at F-8 record store on the Haight and he sold me his latest tape. WOW!! I'm impressed. My Trance collection is growing, and I'm more convinced that trance is coming on strong here in SF, with the great efforts of the F-8 record store, Mars, Alien Life force and Mystr-E. (which I just picked up his latest tape). After Surge, Mystr-E got behind the decks and literally blew my mind all over the forest. The evening, although crisp and cool was excellent for good solid non-stop dancing. Mystr-E really tore it up BIG TIME... After Mystr-E, Mars got behind the decks and did an excellent set, just like the good old days of Summer. Anyway, the F-8 party went off without a hitch, despite the fact that the sheriff was looking for the party. Everyone cooperated and did a great job in not allowing the heat to find our secret location. Yay!! Sure beats trying to dance in an overstuffed, crowded, smoky sweat box at 174 King St. I got plenty of good fresh air, got in touch with nature, and had a great time, dancing all night to some great goa trance in a natural setting. For those that didn't go, you missed a wonderful experience. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 16:03:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03277; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:03:11 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03272; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:03:09 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA29122 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:05:10 GMT Received: from tgrigsby.vip.best.com (tgrigsby.vip.best.com [205.149.169.221]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA14987 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:03:08 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:03:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199601080003.QAA14987@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HEY! Why can't I get to the SF Raves Calendar! I keep getting that nasty ole "No DNS Entry" message. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 16:16:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA04230; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:16:54 -0800 Received: from tiny.sprintlink.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04225; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:16:50 -0800 Received: from quiknet1.quiknet.com (quiknet1.quiknet.com [204.94.125.1]) by tiny.sprintlink.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13803; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:16:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:16:44 -0500 Received: from fo-23.quiknet.com by quiknet1.quiknet.com id aa01202; 7 Jan 96 16:16 PST X-Sender: franknw@quiknet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "John S. Lee" From: Nathan Donato Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: <9601071616.aa01202@quiknet1.quiknet.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >As for my comments, how can you not see that SF will never be the same? >Fact: ALL the board of supervisors are backing willie brown EXCEPT for Tom >"Say Shay" Sheih. >Fact: ALL of his politico cronies are throwing this big bash, food and all, >voluntarily. >Fact: Willie Brown called himself, the Ayatollah of the Assembly. > >This will also be one fun city. C'mon, Frank Jordan was a nice guy, but he >was quite uninteresting. Our Da Mayor has been seen, with active camera >crews, shopiing for new hats, clothes. He has made announcements as to >what types of suits he will be wearing along with other outrageous fun >stuff. This place is one party city (it IS where Willie hangs out), and he >will turn this place into a serious party town (everyone knows willie LOVES >parties). > >If you think it's going to be business as usual, you run the risk of being >labellled politically naive. > >No, I'm afraid that I'm quite correct. This place will never be the same. > >As for him not meeting my expectations, I have no expectations of him other >than he run this place like Daly ran Chi-Town. I doubt seriously that I'll >be disappointed. > >Peace, >John > well i certainly *hope* so... i didnt mean to imply that i dont support him in my earlier post kuz i do. and thats why i love sf so much- theres none of that republican shit there! :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 16:33:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA05307; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:33:09 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA05293; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:33:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:33:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sami Khoury To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: non-rave related Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am apartment-hunting in Berkeley and could potentially need a roommate. If you are interested, please mail me privately. Thanks, Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 16:44:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA06038; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:44:16 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA06032; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:44:13 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA16192; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:44:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Sami Khoury cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: non-rave related In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Sami, I am in the city, but we are looking for a roomate... if you're interested in S.F. as well, it's a nice place. Rent is $410 a month, and it's close to major Muni lines & about 4 blocks from BART. We're at 16th Street, just south of Market... Much Love, <<< Starchild >>> P.S. - If you know any other ravers who are looking... On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Sami Khoury wrote: > I am apartment-hunting in Berkeley and could potentially need a > roommate. If you are interested, please mail me privately. > > Thanks, > > Sami > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 16:58:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA06965; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:58:45 -0800 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA06953; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:58:38 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA05580; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:55:14 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:55:14 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Nathan Donato From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>As for my comments, how can you not see that SF will never be the same? >>Fact: ALL the board of supervisors are backing willie brown EXCEPT for Tom >>"Say Shay" Sheih. >>Fact: ALL of his politico cronies are throwing this big bash, food and all, >>voluntarily. >>Fact: Willie Brown called himself, the Ayatollah of the Assembly. >> > > > >>This will also be one fun city. C'mon, Frank Jordan was a nice guy, but he >>was quite uninteresting. Our Da Mayor has been seen, with active camera >>crews, shopiing for new hats, clothes. He has made announcements as to >>what types of suits he will be wearing along with other outrageous fun >>stuff. This place is one party city (it IS where Willie hangs out), and he >>will turn this place into a serious party town (everyone knows willie LOVES >>parties). >> >>If you think it's going to be business as usual, you run the risk of being >>labellled politically naive. >> >>No, I'm afraid that I'm quite correct. This place will never be the same. >> >>As for him not meeting my expectations, I have no expectations of him other >>than he run this place like Daly ran Chi-Town. I doubt seriously that I'll >>be disappointed. >> >>Peace, >>John >> > >well i certainly *hope* so... i didnt mean to imply that i dont support him >in my earlier post kuz i do. and thats why i love sf so much- theres none >of that republican shit there! :) And I didn't mean to insinuate that you didn't know what was up. Willie Brown is the definition of old-time politics. I will take great delight in seeing what happens to our city under his rule. He has already started asking the board of supes for more power. Result: He'll get it! This is only the beginning folx...as for a new mayor ANYTIME soon. Keep dreaming, this will be a lifetime appointment. Just watch, you'll see. I love politix, and love to see the machine, when well greased, work. It's also an easy way to make money since I will be able to bet on what will happen vs what won't, sit back, and collect my money from those who dared to bet me. Luckily for me, making calls on Willie Brown will be rather easy. If he wants something, his history dictates, he'll get it! My money's riding on him getting everything he wants. And why not?, After all, he is Da Mayor! Hahahahahahaha! This WILL be something to see! Peace & Welcome to the 21st Century's last liberal bastion of hope: San Francisco, CA. Yes, I'm lovin' it, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 19:27:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA16590; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:27:40 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA16581; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:27:33 -0800 Received: from sfasc230.slip.net (sfasc233.slip.net [206.14.14.233]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA20925 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:27:21 -0800 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:27:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199601080327.TAA20925@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com (San Trancisco Raves) From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: Teknotika (BSP) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey everyone, Normally, I would never post for anything at DV8, but tonight there's something a little different. Not only do we have our own Mystr-E in the techno room, but Marcos Lopez from Superstition Records out of Berlin will be playing the peak set from 12:30-3:30 on the main floor. Techno on the main floor of Spundae? What a concept. Check it out... Jonas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 21:21:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA23386; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:21:54 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA23378; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:21:49 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01228 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:21:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:21:08 -0500 Message-ID: <960108002102_109617074@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Energy Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If anyone has a little extra positive energy could they please send it my way....I just got dumped by my significant other, and I'm really f...... unhappy:( Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 21:29:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA23939; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:29:29 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA23934; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:29:26 -0800 Received: from [204.191.85.67] (G7-67.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01251; Mon, 8 Jan 96 00:29:14 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:31:33 -0500 To: Jondabomb@aol.com From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: Energy Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:21 AM 1/8/96, Jondabomb@aol.com wrote: >If anyone has a little extra positive energy could they please send it my >way....I just got dumped by my significant other, and I'm really f...... >unhappy:( >Jonathan It's simple. Think of it not as an end but rather as a beginning. A beginning of a world in which you are able to re-define yourself FOR yourself. I _totally_ know what it's like to end a relationship, i had one of four years (and i'm only 23) end last march and it was tough and confusing. It's rough, and it's only human to feel a sense of loss. Always remember though, that you're never really alone, especially if you're involved with something as supportive as raves and internet lists :) Remember to love yourself buddy! :) brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> ========================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/====================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 21:32:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA24192; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:32:09 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA24186; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:32:05 -0800 Received: from [204.191.85.67] (G7-67.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01320; Mon, 8 Jan 96 00:31:57 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 00:34:15 -0500 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: oops! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Didn't mean to send that last one to the list, sorry! I will use this space for soemthing rave-related though :) I just got back today from visiting San Fran for a bunch of days (time became irrelevant after a while ;) and i had an amazing time. I can't go into too much detail now as i'm tired and i know that hte LAST thing you all want to read is the ramblings of a jetlagged brain ;) Until later though, peace :) brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> ========================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/====================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 7 22:37:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA28122; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:37:16 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA28117; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:37:13 -0800 From: Jondabomb@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA23798 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:36:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: <960108013639_35001893@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: YOU Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ALL ROCK! I feel really good knowing that there are so many great people in this world and that although I lost one love, i am going to channel that love to my other.....MUSIC and this wonderful scene. Im glad that someone out there appreciates me. Or maybe knowing that people care! Peace and much love, Jonathan From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 01:09:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA10302; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:09:52 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA10297; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:09:49 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA17055; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:09:15 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601080109.ZM17053@well> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:09:15 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Wayne D. Correia" "Re: Full Moon @ presidio busted (but I am told it's moving)" (Jan 6, 12:43pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: "Wayne D. Correia" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Full Moon @ presidio busted (but I am told it's moving) Cc: mikecope@ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Could someone give us more info on what happened Friday night? Specifically, I heard that John Carel had been arrested and possibly others. I'm very concerned about this situation. It's only because of timing that we weren't out there too -- Brenda, Geoff and I and others were down at The Top groovin' with the Hardkiss crew and awaiting the directions. Later we went over to Rocky's until we heard the last message about the arrest(s) and so forth. c ya phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 01:16:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA10534; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:16:30 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA10529; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:16:27 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16304; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:17:54 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601080117.ZM16302@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:17:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) "Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF" (Jan 6, 8:38pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), "Niels P. Mayer" Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk you aeem to be *far* more optimistic about slick willie than i expected of smart, active rave-type folk. but i i guess that's how he has always won - by fooling people. On Jan 6, 8:38pm, John S. Lee wrote: > Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in > >the party is actually the inauguration party on monday. still don't know > >where it's gonna be... > > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >= Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > I heard Da Mayor will be sworn in @ Pier 42. > > I am going, and trying to get my posse to go so we can grub on FREE crab, > shrimp, steak and assorted other goodies. Get ready people, SF will NEVER, > I repeat, NEVER be the same after Monday. > > And: Why can WE have a party using one of the piers? Maybe it's time we > ask for permits to have a party there. If Da Mayor can, why can't we? > > Asnwer: We ain't Da Mayor! > >-- End of excerpt from John S. Lee -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 01:18:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA10632; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:18:27 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA10625; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:18:25 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16308; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:19:53 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601080119.ZM16306@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:19:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) "Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF" (Jan 7, 1:28pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yes, sf will never be the same. he is going to sell it. On Jan 7, 1:28pm, John S. Lee wrote: > Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in > > Get ready people, SF will NEVER, > >>I repeat, NEVER be the same after Monday. > >> > > > >why do you assume sf will never be the same? arent you setting yourself up > >for letdown? i thought the same thing when Bill was elected, but he hasnt > >done anything revolutionary... and after all-- i like Brown but how much can > >he do, really? > > > >nate > > First off the party will be @ Pier 45. At least that's what the news is > saying, and that's also the word on the street. > > As for my comments, how can you not see that SF will never be the same? > Fact: ALL the board of supervisors are backing willie brown EXCEPT for Tom > "Say Shay" Sheih. > Fact: ALL of his politico cronies are throwing this big bash, food and all, > voluntarily. > Fact: Willie Brown called himself, the Ayatollah of the Assembly. > > You are about to witness a political machine that will make Mayor Daley's > Chicago stint seem like an off broadway act. Sf is about to get a real > political maven as it's mayor and as such, you will see things you have not > seen, in terms of political movement, in decades. > > This will also be one fun city. C'mon, Frank Jordan was a nice guy, but he > was quite uninteresting. Our Da Mayor has been seen, with active camera > crews, shopiing for new hats, clothes. He has made announcements as to > what types of suits he will be wearing along with other outrageous fun > stuff. This place is one party city (it IS where Willie hangs out), and he > will turn this place into a serious party town (everyone knows willie LOVES > parties). > > If you think it's going to be business as usual, you run the risk of being > labellled politically naive. > > No, I'm afraid that I'm quite correct. This place will never be the same. > > As for him not meeting my expectations, I have no expectations of him other > than he run this place like Daly ran Chi-Town. I doubt seriously that I'll > be disappointed. > > Peace, > John > > Directions to SF from SJ: Go North 60 Miles, and make a sharp left! > > I Love SF, I'm glad we don't have republican shit here, and I'm glad this > is one left-wing ultra liberal political machine city! > > Out. > >-- End of excerpt from John S. Lee -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 01:31:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA11130; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:31:55 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA11123; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:31:51 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01634 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:31:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:31:47 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Message-Id: <199601080931.BAA01634@well.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: starting 96 with a bang Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk After last weekend was such a fizzle, it was good to come back to SF and have a *good* time. I came down with new sfraver Shakti (Brenda) Friday evening. We went over to The Top for the Friday weekly shindig with the Hardkiss crew, with Robbie, Gavin and Scott taking turns. After a while Geoff showed up and we spent a fair bit of time trying to get info on the Full Moon location. Just when we got through, I got word from the Crunchman that it had been shut down. We stayed to closing and then went over to Rocky's to monitor developments, of which there were not many until the voicemail message was changed to indicate the event was a total wash. I fully appreciate the effort everyone put into trying to make this happen, and hope we can learn from this and bounce back to more success in the future. Saturday we got a late start, and our Gracious Tour Guide, Susie, took Brenda and me for an excursion around town, featuring a fine sunset at the Cliff House, including a quick whirl through the Musee Mechanique. We stopped briefly at Ashbury St. for the gathering in honor of our globetrotting WBLer, Steve Lerner, and then checked in for a set of Broun Fellinis and The Baroness at the Elbo Room. With us so far? Next stop: Wicked! Now, I have had my share of adventures at King St. over the years, feeling somewhat less antipathy to the place than many others here may (quite justifiably) have. That place has unerasable memories of the 1992 scene for me, the Hardkiss Birthday Party, Doc swinging the joint at 8 am, all of that. But it was always a bet whether King St. would be crowded and smokey or, sometimes, more crowded and worse smokey :) In addition, the last Wicked I went to was there back in about May, and featured the cruddiest, most over- distorted sound I heard all year. Well, all that was behind us last night. The sound arrangement is no longer two lines of stacks corralling the dance floor, but closer to a true four-corners arrangement (if they would double the back stacks for balance it would be perfecto). The bar and DJ stands were reversed compared to the old days -- the bar right at the entrance and the DJ at the far (Townsend) end. All this opened up the whole room and made it possible to get more people in and still have enough room to move around. It was crowded but not packed between 2 and 4 am and gradually loosened up after that. We arrived about halfway through Thomas's set, and I actually was rather favorable toward it, he veered toward that old SF funk sound in the latter part which I was really glad to hear again. Markie did a lot of genre-hopping, some of it not terribly successful in my view. Doc rocked the box, pulling out one of his classic swan dives from straight-ahead disco to deep, deeper, deepest house. Best of all, the sound during his set -- always a problem at Wickeds in the past, was *really* good, maybe a little too hot at the very high end with the high-hats sound, but clear and punchy. I don't know what Wicked's crew did to make this happen, but as one of the most chronic complainer about their EQ and distortion in the past, I want to be the first to applaud this considerable improvement. It really added to my enjoyment. Garth finished up with a half-and-half set, seemed like the first half ran very well with what Doc set up, including an absolute *caning* of Plastic Dreams (at least six or seven minutes worth, instead of the old two-minutes-hands-in-the-air-then-mix-out everyone does with that one) which really highlighted the superb production in that track. This was probably the best Wicked I've been to since late '93 or early '94 -- of course, I missed the Pierre and Little Louie nights. I thought the crowd was so-so and would have benefited from a late surge from te other clubs, which always adds a nice element to the floor after 5 am, but believe me, I'm not complaining. Once in a while ya gotta do house music all night long :-) phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 01:50:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA12874; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:50:43 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA12868; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:50:39 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16329; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:52:06 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601080152.ZM16327@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:52:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) "Pigs & other inflammatory shit." (Dec 31, 9:27am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Pigs & other inflammatory shit. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk oh john, you are so misinformed. the term "pigs" obviously did not go out in the sisties, people still use it!! and though i agree with wayne's initial post about there being *people* behind those badges... well the men who i watched beat my friends just because they are different one year ago are most *definately* pigs. On Dec 31, 9:27am, John S. Lee wrote: > > Besides, 'pigs' went out in the 60's man, like really. > Why don't you update your vocab daddy-o. Try one of these on for size: > Now let's stop all this evil namecalling shall we. you are not exactly mister nice guy to crunch, john s. lee. >-- End of excerpt from John S. Lee -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 02:16:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA17743; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:16:55 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA17738; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:16:52 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16378; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:18:16 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601080218.ZM16376@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:18:16 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Niels P. Mayer" "looking for CD DJ mixer in SF area" (Jan 1, 4:43pm) References: <199601020043.QAA14835@netcom23.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "Niels P. Mayer" , "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: looking for CD DJ mixer in SF area Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i prefer the denon 2700 over all others. i also have a stanton unit in my house right now, for saly, with a road case, for $500. On Jan 1, 4:43pm, Niels P. Mayer wrote: > Subject: looking for CD DJ mixer in SF area > > One of my new year's resolutions is that I'm going to purchase a dual > CD mixer thingamabob soon. I was wondering if anybody has > recommendations for a good place to look at these in SF -- i want to > evaluate a bunch of different brands and figure out which i like the > best. I plan to check out my favorite pro-audio store when i get back > to the bay area (Audio Images in SF) but I'm looking for other > recommendations too. > > also, if anybody has recommendations for reputable mail-order places, > and particular units that i should look at, please let me know. i'm > looking for high-end, good sounding, high quality units under $3000.00 > and my focus is to find a system that is easier to use than the > braindamaged user interface on the Denon 2000's that I've tried. > > Thanks in advance. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >-- End of excerpt from Niels P. Mayer -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 02:21:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA18020; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:21:06 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA18013; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:21:04 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16382; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:21:06 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601080221.ZM16380@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:21:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: "D. Ronan Hallowell" "Re: begin again" (Jan 1, 6:48pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "D. Ronan Hallowell" , Lee Fogel Subject: Re: begin again Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Jan 1, 6:48pm, D. Ronan Hallowell wrote: > Subject: Re: begin again > > I didn't attend Begin Again but I have a few comments to make. > > First off this definitely was not the same Begin Again as last year and > it was in poor taste for Pacific to use this name seen as how they did > not even contact the two other principle producers of last years party > (myself and Dan Mapes). this is the acme gallerey, yes? how ironic that this name would come up, seeing as dan was the principal person to flake all of cyberlab7 out of the fnf anniversary party there, last year. conicidence works in funny ways... >-- End of excerpt from D. Ronan Hallowell -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 08:56:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA15395; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:56:24 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA15390; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:56:22 -0800 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA28768; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:44:03 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Reply-To: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave To: "John S. Lee" cc: Josh Bates , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I wanted a 303 because I wanted the acid sounds also, but found a much better way to go about it, assuming you have other sound interests also. Check this out. > I say paying over $300 bucks for that bucket of old bolts is a complete > rip-off. You can find that piece, if you look hard enough, for about > $25-$300 bucks in used music places. Check mission street at any of the > pawn shops etc. Used music stores are always a good bet too. I tried to > make a bid for one for a reasonable price of $250. The guy laughed and > said that the bidding was up to $800, as he challenged me to prove I had > the means to purchase. I laughed. That rock ain't worht no $800 bucks and > anyone selling it for more than $300 is not only being a greedy bastard, > but a typical opportunist. I really fell sorry for any schmuck who would > pay over $300 for that piece. I own an SH-101, and that is just as good, > if not BETTER than the tb303, with a much wider tonal range. I got the > sh-101 for $150. And it has many more triggering options, better range > than the tb303, and has an actual keyboard. -------------- The unfortunate thing about the 303, IMHO, is that it really only does one thing... it does it well, but it really only does one thing in a parameterized way. I don't know what an "sh-101" is, nor what it's good for (although apparently it's good as a cheap 303 substitute), but I found a synthesizer that does the 303 sounds, along with nearly every other sound you've ever heard on any house-scene-related-music source, whether it be house (deep, acid, trance, etc.) or seriously fast techno, acid jazz, ambient or any of the other sub genres that have arisen. I'm not sure if these are available new anymore, nor what Roland model was supposed to replace them, but the JD 990 can do all the acid blips you can stand, as well as being able to provide an incredible array of both preset sounds, + 1 of the easiest interfaces I've seen on a digital synth (it's not exactly a secret that digital synths tend to have horrible user interfaces for designing sounds from scratch, or modifying existing sounds; the JD 990 has a much better interface for doing this). You can't get this shit for 150.00, nor for 300... I paid 1300.00 for this puppy new, but given the way technology devalues I would bet that if there are units around to buy used, they would be probably half the price I paid or less. Given that this machine can implement your entire tune, and that you can get much more than just acid blips (but you can do that very nicely also... I've done it), the price performance ratio is more what I'm looking for. After all, 3 or 500 dollars for a machine that only does one thing isn't very cost effective, IMHO. Higher prices obviously make it worse. The other thing about the JD 990 is that it's professional quality gear, meaning if you're serious, you can press the music you make with it, many of you have been hearing this machine for some time on a vast array of records of many styles, including those discussed here. > Whatever, like the man said "There's a sucker born every minute!", --------------- The 303 is a perfect example of what Barnum was talking about, and when a machine is revered for its historical use, it becomes ripe for this kind of idolatry. Actually, so do people who become revered for their "contributions" of whatever kind.... For example, an 808 is another of these fabled machines... there's no need to buy one since there are much better ways of providing editable slamming rhythm tracks, but many folks want to have them because it's the machine hip hop was born on, (not to diss SL 1200's), and alot of early house stuff as well. But the truth is, these machines are less flexible and more difficult to work with than many of the machines made more recently, many of which are probably better machines anyway, but didn't become as famous. Samplers can easily play back samples of 808 drum sounds + many other drum and percussion sounds, for example, and when keyed from a Mac running studio vision or performer or some other MIDI recording package, you have much more than 1 lousy 808... jack "kill your heroes, punker, then come party with me" baby... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 09:33:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA18728; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:33:53 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18702; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:33:40 -0800 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA29909; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:54:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:54:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: Hony's Pad - OK? To: Larry Ching cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601042322.PAA26629@netcom7.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > they OK? It's been awhile since I've heard Carlos , or been in the > Santa Cruz Civic , but I want some positive comments about Hony's Pad > first before I commit. ------------ Unfortunately I have never really enjoy hearing music in the civic because it's such a barn, it is very cavernous, echoes alot and the bass tends to be very, er, missing... I haven't been there in years, so perhaps a very skilled sound man could make it right, but that's what it will take. -=jack=- (This text composed by voice) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 09:39:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA19265; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:39:24 -0800 Received: from viola.rs.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA19201; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:38:56 -0800 Received: from mars.rs.com by viola.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27872; Mon, 8 Jan 96 09:37:54 PST Received: by rs.com (Sun-4.1) id AA27872; Mon, 8 Jan 96 09:37:54 PST Received: by mars.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15242; Mon, 8 Jan 96 09:37:52 PST Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 09:37:52 PST From: george@rs.com (George Feil) Message-Id: <9601081737.AA15242@mars.rs.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, SDream@tgrigsby.com Subject: Wicked Re: Saturday Night Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) > > At first, Wicked was GREAT! Fantastic music, great vibe! But around, oh, > 2am, they started having serious problems with the sound system. Massive > feedback. It would be ok for a while, then BOOM! I had finally remembered > to bring ear plugs, and even then I could tell it was really loud, earth > shattering feedback. Finally, we got kinda irritated with it and took off. > Besides, we had a newbie that couldn't stay out too late, so we went to > Treasure Island, put some tunes on, and danced next to the bay with a view > of the city. You took off way too soon... The bugs in the system were eventually exterminated, and Doc Martin laid down a most impressive vibe. All the non-rave elements (security, alcohol, ginos) were half-lived into nonexistence, and the whole scene came alive again after 3am. The visuals were just okay -- very low tech, and a bit repetative. The atmosphere was surprisingly bearable. The big missing was soft, comfy, chill-out space. Metal chairs just don't cut it. The other big missing was the rip-off $2.5 they were holding the 1/2 l Calistogas for all night... Anyway, it was rEALly hard to pull myself away at 5:00. George From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 09:53:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA20585; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:53:49 -0800 Received: from worm.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA20559; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:53:37 -0800 Received: (from fritz@localhost) by worm.hooked.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA06037; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:53:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:53:36 -0800 From: Cynthia Lopez Message-Id: <199601081753.JAA06037@worm.hooked.net> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Full Moon - some details Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Jan 1996 "Fred Heutte" said: >Could someone give us more info on what happened Friday night? by the time claire & i got back from changing the voice mail/directions there were cops swarming the area telling everyone to go home that the rave was busted. actually, they only thought something was going on because of all the cars and the large vehicles which could have had equip in there (they couldn't see inside so they didn't know if the equip was loaded or unloaded outta the vehicle). it took them over 2 hours to actually locate the site. in the meantime, they harrassed everyone they had the manpower to stop. it was kinda hallarious that the party was happening right down the hill and they had such a hard time finding it - but then again, that only caused them to be bigger jerks by the time they finally found us. yes, one person got arrested, but i'm not at liberty to give details on that. it woulda been a good one too. we saw soooo many good groovin' friends that we didn't expect to show up. oh well, there's always next month! peace&positivity, greg-n-cindy house archives From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 09:57:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA20909; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:57:16 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA20875; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:57:09 -0800 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id JAA05220; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:42:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:42:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: The last little cop bit from me To: Eric Hill cc: twaxx@netcom.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601050335.TAA21798@blob.best.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > and get constructive. If you think cops are so bad because they sometimes > think you're a bad person when you can prove that you aren't (keeping in > mind, of course, that they've been ordered to find more badguys), contrast ------------- 1 Of the most important concepts in our society is that you are innocent until proven guilty; this alone appears to be in a confused state in your perception of these issues. Our society depends upon this innocent until proven guilty rhetoric to be more than just rhetoric. This is one of the few things that distinguishes us from a totalitarian society. I'm quite concerned that you seem not to be clear on this. > for an example) cannot post about on this list cuz their widdle finger hurts > from pressing the 'D' key. The tyranny of vocal imbeciles and public opinion > is more dangerous than statistical error, I guarantee you. --------------- So you are using this to say what? We need better control and oversight of the police for just that statistical probability you mention, not to mention keeping power mad assholes from running amok. Noone is saying the police have an easy job, just that they need to perform up to a certain standard or else they become a menace. This isn't insulting, it's true. > In anticipation of the small-minded rhetoric flames concerned with > particular experiences and stories, all that falls under "live-and-learn", > unfortunately. Look at the big picture - it can't be explained by a > soundbite or quote. --------------------- Living and learning means taking political responsibility for your community. You are apparently arguing against that for some unknown reason, because you feel police are unfairly treated. Like I said before, police who can't stand the heat need to get out of the precinct. When there are problems with police oversight, the responsible thing to do is to discuss the problem and find a solution, then to pursue that solution. That's exactly what's happening here, so why are you so disgruntled? Living and learning doesn't mean allowing our society to lose its grasp of Democracy, it means struggling to keep that in sight. When authoritarian agencies work without civilian oversight democracy is definitely threatened. > And one last, obvious, point: if you don't like the way the system is > working (I know, it's hard to see that we have one at all anymore), USE IT. > Fucking vote and let the democracy work. The revolution is never finished. ---------------- I couldn't agree with you more about this last point, and it's the reason I've been harping about this all along. Get involved! > peace out, I'm done. ------------------ Ok, I'm out too, but I'm not swearing to silence... -=jack=- (This text composed by voice) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 10:21:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23149; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:21:23 -0800 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23138; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:21:20 -0800 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA08011; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:08:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:08:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: Leaving list.....also need help To: Phunky14GV@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960105204528_84546460@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk check out c2.org, or send email to sameer@c2.org, tell him jack sent you! -=jack=- People know, just what they like to do Whatever it is, you got it, long as it pleases you Make it last as long as you can and when you're through it's up to you to do it again. Go on and do it! do it! Do it till you're satisfied (Whatever it is), Do it! Do it till you're satisfied! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 10:27:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23543; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:27:20 -0800 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23535; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:27:17 -0800 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA25684; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:23:56 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF To: "John S. Lee" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > You are about to witness a political machine that will make Mayor Daley's > Chicago stint seem like an off broadway act. Sf is about to get a real > political maven as it's mayor and as such, you will see things you have not > seen, in terms of political movement, in decades. -------------- Maybe... but who will benefit? It could go either way, IMHO point > This will also be one fun city. C'mon, Frank Jordan was a nice guy, but he > was quite uninteresting. ---------------- Alright John, whose been shitting in your ear? Inquiring minds and all that, you know! > As for him not meeting my expectations, I have no expectations of him other > than he run this place like Daly ran Chi-Town. I doubt seriously that I'll > be disappointed. ------------------------ what exactly does that mean? I'm not really familiar with Daly and his reign. -=Jack=- (This text composed by voice) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 10:36:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA23987; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:36:36 -0800 Received: from elroy.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA23980; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:36:32 -0800 Received: by elroy.ucdavis.edu (8.7.3/UCD3.4.3) id KAA19100; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:35:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:35:32 -0800 (PST) From: Uncle Noah X-Sender: ez031733@elroy.ucdavis.edu To: Tenderloin Waxx cc: "John S. Lee" , Josh Bates , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Being a synth-a-holic myself, I felt that I had to put my $.02 into this discussion... I agree that the 303 and 808 are hyped more due to nostalgia than practicality. There are really few machines from back in the 80's that are worth more than a couple of hundred dollards still. Also, the house/rave/techno scene tend to be so focussed on Roland that often no attention if paid to some of the other great synths. So here's the ones I feel are really worth it: Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 - If you have not played one of these, you have not experienced analog synthesis. This keyboard drove everyone from the Cars to Talking Heads to Q-Feel and pretty much led the 80's syhtn revolution. You can get great acid effects out of it. It has the best interface of almost any synth I have ever played. All the control knobs are right there in front of you so you can change the sound while you play. You can also store and load tones to/from cassettes. Yamaha DX-7 - Classic digital waveform synthesis. This synth was the front-runner for the new Yamaha algorithm synthesis methods. Once again, this synth was everywhere. Roland D-10 - again, great digital synthesis in a new style. Wonderfully rich tones from a digital keyboard. Fairlight CMI - After seeing Herbie Hancock and Thomas Dolby playing back-to-back on various Fairlights at the Nation Association of Music Merchants winter market show in like 1986 I never looked at these classic samplers the same way again. It was amazing what those machines and those men could do. Getting more modern, there is the new NordLead digital analog synth that is supposed to be able to do just about anything that the old analog keyboards were able to do (but for a price) and there's the Novation BS-1 (list around $650) that can do just about every booming bass and acid thing you can imagine, including the 303 stuff. anyway, that's just some thoughts from out here... Peace! --+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+----+--+--- "Uncle" Noah Apodaca - napodaca@ucdavis.edu Student, Disc Jockey, Resident Advisor From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 10:53:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA25228; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:53:59 -0800 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25208; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:53:52 -0800 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA27822; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:48:35 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 10:48:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: Wicked Re: Saturday Night To: George Feil cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, SDream@tgrigsby.com In-Reply-To: <9601081737.AA15242@mars.rs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The big missing was soft, comfy, chill-out space. Metal chairs just > don't cut it. The other big missing was the rip-off $2.5 they were > holding the 1/2 l Calistogas for all night... --------------------- Yeah, what's the fucking problem, you promoter types? Don't you know people doing psychedelics need to sit down and relax for a while every now and then? [smiley for the humorously impaired...;-)] I've been dismayed at the chill environment at nearly every rave I've been to over the last year. There have been exceptions, but not nearly enough. We need football fields full of beanbags, with things to look at and listen to, and air to breathe, etc, so quit yer slacking, boy! I did completely enjoy myself at wicked this time though, even though, like the wimpy npm, I don't wholly approve of King St. myself either, I've been much more impressed by other venues... even Townsend, although I don't know if Saturdays there are ever available anymore. I was particularly impressed with doc Martin, who I credit with showing me that there was indeed good house related music. I thought I spoke with him after he spun and talked with someone I thought was him who didn't clarify my mistake, and did a good job of impersonating doc. The guy even knew the name of the old club doc used to spin hip hop in before becoming a rave DJ (I realize he spun in more than one club in those days, but I used to make a habit of catching him at the 16th note/ firehouse 7, where he used to spin cuts like "like is Too $hort", etc). Then I said "it's good to hear you play again" and walked over to the DJ booth to see... doc Martin! I enjoyed it, kudos to this masterful impersonator. -=Jack=- People know, just what they like to do Whatever it is, you got it, long as it pleases you Make it last as long as you can and when you're through it's up to you to do it again. Go on and do it! do it! Do it till you're satisfied (Whatever it is), Do it! Do it till you're satisfied! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 11:05:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26243; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:05:13 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA26237; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:05:09 -0800 Received: from psychoactive.com by ultima.org; Mon, 8 Jan 96 11:01 PST X-Sender: joe@mail.ultima.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 1026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:01:54 -0800 To: "Fred Heutte" From: joe@psychoactive.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re: Full Moon @ presidio busted (but I am told it's moving) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Could someone give us more info on what happened Friday night? >Specifically, I heard that John Carel had been arrested and possibly >others. I'm very concerned about this situation. It's only because >of timing that we weren't out there too -- Brenda, Geoff and I and >others were down at The Top groovin' with the Hardkiss crew and awaiting >the directions. Later we went over to Rocky's until we heard the last >message about the arrest(s) and so forth. > >c ya >phred Jon was detained for a short time and released around 4am. The US Park Police have the free time to spend harassing people, and that they did. Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 11:34:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02677; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:34:42 -0800 Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02668; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:34:35 -0800 Received: from duckman.usfca.edu ([138.202.32.150]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA13126 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:27:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:27:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199601081927.LAA13126@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > you aeem to be *far* more optimistic about slick willie > than i expected of smart, active rave-type folk. but i > i guess that's how he has always won - by fooling people. I think this is fairly degrading to the original poster - just because you don't like Willie Brown doesn't mean that someone else is somehow less intelligent for believing in him. It's okay to have political opinions, but please, remember that intelligent discussion of an issue is one thing and mindless bashing of someone else's position without a scintilla of backing evidence is quite another. Jake Jake Reichert | I used to be indecisive/ reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu | But now I'm not so sure... | -The The -------------------------------------------------------------------- "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES" B.C. Gilbert/G. 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Howard & Lydia Lunch | C.V.O | Air Miami Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks | Lisa Gerrard | Last Dance | Lush Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | His Name Is Alive | Pale Saints The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman "LONELY IS AN EYESORE" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 11:35:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA02755; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:35:16 -0800 Received: from precipice.v-site.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA02748; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:35:13 -0800 Received: from ameba.com.v-site.com by precipice.v-site.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id LAA04667; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 11:43:15 -0800 Message-ID: <30F1704B.4A64@netcom.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 1996 11:28:11 -0800 From: ameba Organization: ameba X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b4 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com CC: ameba@netcom.com Subject: mad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Im excited to hear DRC, Ethan and Alex at mad tonight allen@ameba From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 12:45:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA09947; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:45:24 -0800 Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09942; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 12:45:20 -0800 Received: by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA13753; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:44:50 -0500 Date: 08 Jan 96 14:57:48 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: The Good, Bad and Wicked Message-ID: <960108195748_71165.755_GHL162-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Saturday's party was one of the best Wickeds in my memory! In spite of my complaints about King St (bathrooms worse than ever! no toilet paper at all in ladies' room meant paper towels clogging every stall early on - come on folks, indoor plumbing is important to keep running smoothly - this place need to get their act together!) and overzealous Gestapo security (geez those flashlights appear out of nowhere when you least expect it) -- But the vibe was SO SO cool and the music was incredible - I think Thomas's set may be the best I've ever heard, he never lost us for a second with that wicked funky groove and Doc Martin ruled - and there were such openhearted happy people there - I just want to thank every smiling face who said hello or introduced themselves to me (I was wearing the floppy black hat with the tattoos on my shoulders) - especially Keith with the red mohair hat and overalls, who took the role of spreading the connection and talking to everyone all night and -- and Jim and Scott whose rad dancing inspired everyone around -- you all really made my night, I went home in the morning feeling happy and connected - and ALL DANCED OUT! My greatest moments of awe are when I realize there are so many millions of people in the world who have no idea how happy, blissful and ecstatic (truly) you can feel when the music and the people are all there riding that wave together. We are so lucky to know the power of music. Right before I went to the party, I watched the scene in Shawshank Redemption with the opera - it's the same thing - music can bring us into that part of who we are that touches the essential, the spirit, the place we belong! So thanks everyone who was there - you made my weekend! Leslie From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 13:14:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA12481; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:14:56 -0800 Received: from ix10.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12471; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:14:53 -0800 Received: from by ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA20636; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:14:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 13:14:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199601082114.NAA20636@ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: City of Angels To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Hey Just wondering, has anybody ever heard of a CD (an import I think) by City of Angels? It has a song on it called Organic, and that's all I know about it, & trying to find the name of the CD. Any help would be appreciated! Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 14:48:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA20309; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:48:55 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA20302; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:48:50 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA27694; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:48:48 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199601082248.OAA27694@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Freq-8 goa trance in the woods (RE:) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 14:48:45 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1024 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A follow up to: > Frequency 8 Trance in the Woods > ----------------------------------- > Late Sat Afternoon I talked with Jonas Judd at Frequency-8 and was able to > talk him (And Mars) into throwing an outside underground Trance party, > ... > For setting up an outdoors renegade on such short order, a day after FMR > was busted, shows a lot about the dedication of the trance movement here > in SF which is growing and thriving very well. I just wanted to say thanks for putting on this thing to F-8, Jonas, Surge, Mars, Myster-E, Adam, and whoever was involed in this. After the FMR bust Friday night, I was very wanting of an outdoor event. I love Trance, so this really hit the spot for me. I was the dancing fool with long-hair under a grey-blue binni and a black fleece jacket. Had a fun time. Anybody else notice how wonderful the acoustics is of a sound system in the woods? It seems like you hear everything more clearly because of the lack of reverberation. Love it! Thanks. -Darrel darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 15:33:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA23595; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:33:06 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA23590; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:33:02 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp408.liberty.com [206.17.67.104]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA03943 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:32:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:32:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199601082332.PAA03943@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Brian Vagnoni, LMT" Subject: Ravers, Rave Intentions, Where Are We Going, & One ? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Well, I'm sorry Jon got arrested/detained, I'm sorry the rave got busted, & I'm even more sorry we live in a country where a so called "Park"; under Federal jurisdiction, by a government run & OWNED "By The People, For The People", is considered & treated as private property. I really get out raged when I hear this. Ya no, I can understand something critical to our nation/worlds defense, or a place that's extremely hazardous to one's health & welfare. But not a former military base, that's now a park. So my question is, who are "The People", and when can I meet them? So why do you think there were so many cops, the answer; it's Federal Property. Why are the fines & penalties for trespassing on Federal property more severe than private property? I wonder if I had a hundred or so unwanted people in my home, or on my property, how many cops they would send, and how many people they would arrest? The Presidio is suppose to be a park, but do you have any idea just how much that land's worth, or would be worth, to a private developer. You may see Park Presidio for awhile, but I guarantee, that it will slowly & eventually be Park Presidio, Community For The Super Rich. Hell, maybe they will even use the money they make from its sale to help reduce the national debt(not!!!!). I also wonder about the motivations behind someone throwing a rave on Federal property, unless that it's clearly a demonstration about the state of property ownership in America, as well as the rules regarding the management of land clearly owned by a so called free people. The penalties & fines if you get caught are very serve, much more serve than private property. I don't know how the courts end up dealing with these issues, because they are the final say regarding the interpretation of the law/s. I would like to image that when it comes down to sentencing, that they would assign stiffer sentences to people who commits acts against private individuals rather than the people, as long as it wasn't something like national/world defense related land. But for the purposes of throwing a rave, hmmmm, if you get caught you're putting a lot of innocent/non-innocent people at risk of a possible misdemeanors(non-significant to a person's life in lower degree levels), or even a felony charge(very significant). I want to make clear I'm not saying go throw a rave on some little old ladies house/home, or that it was a bad idea to throw a rave on federal or city property for that matter. What I am saying is, that if you are gonna throw a party/rave, and it's an illegal one, to look at the purpose of the party/rave, & maybe give it some direction. If it's just for a good time, than the location should provide the people attending with the least amount of risk to life, & limb; while still providing a venue that offers something exciting & interesting. But on the other hand, if you want to make a statement by throwing a party/rave, about something your & others around you are passionate about, then the risk to life & limb should be, but not necessarially higher. Even though the party got busted, if the event had gotten some press it would have made an excellent & peaceful statement about the condition of land ownership and the belief systems that support it, as well as a statement about how free 'We The People" really are. I saw an opportunity to have fun, and it was fufilled. I also saw an opportunity to make a statement that I know a lot of you share; waisted. I rave to have a good time sure, but more important, I rave because I'm among a group of people who share similar beliefs. Beliefs about truth, the sacredness of individuality, honesty, clairity, community, spirituality; over the oppression of organized religion, acceptance; going behond tolerence, love, peace, & responsibility. I don't rave because I'm so tired of fighting for change that I just don't care anymore, and all I want to do is just be high. I don't rave so I can sit around and be stoned all the time & complain about how shitty the system is, and not do anything about it. We as a group of kind people have tremenous power in numbers. Many of us are a united group of world citzens that share common belief systems that approach a global reality & perspective; not just a U.S. With our oneness of mind, heart & soul along with our technology we are the generation that has the power to change the world, and make it a better place. But more often than not, we take a lot of risk, for just a good time. This action alone however will effect some positive world change, but it could be so much more. I don't mean to be critical, but as we sit back and rave & party, without direction most of the time. There are others out there, with the same oneness of mind, heart & soul, with the same ideas about changing the world, with access to the same technology that we have, who have much darker & oppressive visions of how our world should be, and this I fear more than anything else. The elections are once again coming up in 96, & this time I hear Ralph Nader is being nonminated by the Green Party for President. Please lets not this opportunity for positive change pass us by. If I do but just one thing in 96 to effect world change, it will be to vote for Ralph Nader. PEacE, LovE, P^3 From Across CyberspacE a.k.a Brian DarknEs^2 VoicE & Fax: @510-595-7988 Toll FrEE NationwidE PagEr & VoicEmail: @800-590-4993 DivErsity Is The Most Basic Of Human NaturEs GivE ME LibErty, Or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority You Shouldn't HavE To HavE A PErmit To Throw A Party Ralph NadEr For PrEsidEnt In 1996 (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 15:59:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA25441; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:59:49 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25434; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:59:46 -0800 Received: from Default (ppp408.liberty.com [206.17.67.104]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA19491 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:59:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 15:59:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199601082359.PAA19491@liberty.liberty.com> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Has Anyone Ever Heard Of..... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Has anyone ever heard of a track by Cool World, called Get Them Gators PEacE, LovE, P^3 From Across CyberspacE a.k.a Brian DarknEs^2 VoicE & Fax: @510-595-7988 Toll FrEE NationwidE PagEr & VoicEmail: @800-590-4993 DivErsity Is The Most Basic Of Human NaturEs GivE ME LibErty, Or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority You Shouldn't HavE To HavE A PErmit To Throw A Party Ralph NadEr For PrEsidEnt In 1996 (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 18:49:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA08721; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:49:49 -0800 Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA08716; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:49:45 -0800 Received: from [192.215.98.143] (h98-143.ccnet.com [192.215.98.143]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA17673 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:45:27 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:49:45 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rafone@ccnet.com (Raf*One) Subject: Orgin! NYE<-------- Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay all I've heard about on this list has been about Begin Again and the Goa Trance party but not Orgin....well being the alternative sfraver that I am...I went to Orgin for NYE..fucking Cool!(not as in world) the space-a little smAll, but different-the vibe FAT!!!-the music-even better!!!CArlos spun one the best sets I've EVER heard him spun.all the DJs rocked the haus till the break o dawn everthing came together great and me and my friends had a very memorable New Years... Hope everyone had a great time as well as a safe one... ___ ___ ___ /\ \ /\ \ /\__\ / \ \ o / \ \ n / / / eder... / \ \ / /\ \ \ / / / / /\ \__\ / / / \ \ / /_/\_\ / /_/ /__/ / /_/ /\ \ \ / \/ / / / \/ \ \ \ \/ / \ \__\ \ /_/ \/_\ /_\ \__\ \ /__/ \/__/ \ \ \ \ \ \\ / / \ \ \ \ \_\ \ \_\\/__/ \ \__\ \ / / \_/_/ \/__/ \/_/ ------------->SI*G?K*RFSF*3DESIGN*HMT*HEFamilies*nine-t-sex!!!!<---------- From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 20:37:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA15162; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:37:00 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA15156; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:36:56 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA07767; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:36:56 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA20917; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:36:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: Fred Heutte cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: starting 96 with a bang In-Reply-To: <199601080931.BAA01634@well.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk right on, phred! i had a great time and it was nice meeting all of you that i got to meet...goeff, the ameba folks, wayne, and everyone else and i had a GREAT time at wicked. you guys are high quality, man! hugs, bren, aka, shakti On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Fred Heutte wrote: > After last weekend was such a fizzle, it was good to come back to SF > and have a *good* time. I came down with new sfraver Shakti (Brenda) > Friday evening. We went over to The Top for the Friday weekly shindig > with the Hardkiss crew, with Robbie, Gavin and Scott taking turns. > After a while Geoff showed up and we spent a fair bit of time trying > to get info on the Full Moon location. Just when we got through, I got > word from the Crunchman that it had been shut down. We stayed to closing > and then went over to Rocky's to monitor developments, of which there were > not many until the voicemail message was changed to indicate the event was > a total wash. I fully appreciate the effort everyone put into trying to > make this happen, and hope we can learn from this and bounce back to more > success in the future. > > Saturday we got a late start, and our Gracious Tour Guide, Susie, took > Brenda and me for an excursion around town, featuring a fine sunset at > the Cliff House, including a quick whirl through the Musee Mechanique. > > We stopped briefly at Ashbury St. for the gathering in honor of our > globetrotting WBLer, Steve Lerner, and then checked in for a set of > Broun Fellinis and The Baroness at the Elbo Room. With us so far? > > Next stop: Wicked! Now, I have had my share of adventures at King St. > over the years, feeling somewhat less antipathy to the place than many > others here may (quite justifiably) have. That place has unerasable > memories of the 1992 scene for me, the Hardkiss Birthday Party, Doc > swinging the joint at 8 am, all of that. But it was always a bet > whether King St. would be crowded and smokey or, sometimes, more > crowded and worse smokey :) In addition, the last Wicked I went to > was there back in about May, and featured the cruddiest, most over- > distorted sound I heard all year. > > Well, all that was behind us last night. The sound arrangement is no > longer two lines of stacks corralling the dance floor, but closer to > a true four-corners arrangement (if they would double the back stacks > for balance it would be perfecto). The bar and DJ stands were reversed > compared to the old days -- the bar right at the entrance and the DJ > at the far (Townsend) end. All this opened up the whole room and made > it possible to get more people in and still have enough room to move > around. It was crowded but not packed between 2 and 4 am and gradually > loosened up after that. > > We arrived about halfway through Thomas's set, and I actually was rather > favorable toward it, he veered toward that old SF funk sound in the > latter part which I was really glad to hear again. Markie did a lot > of genre-hopping, some of it not terribly successful in my view. > > Doc rocked the box, pulling out one of his classic swan dives from > straight-ahead disco to deep, deeper, deepest house. Best of all, > the sound during his set -- always a problem at Wickeds in the past, > was *really* good, maybe a little too hot at the very high end with > the high-hats sound, but clear and punchy. I don't know what Wicked's > crew did to make this happen, but as one of the most chronic complainer > about their EQ and distortion in the past, I want to be the first to > applaud this considerable improvement. It really added to my enjoyment. > Garth finished up with a half-and-half set, seemed like the first half > ran very well with what Doc set up, including an absolute *caning* of > Plastic Dreams (at least six or seven minutes worth, instead of the old > two-minutes-hands-in-the-air-then-mix-out everyone does with that one) > which really highlighted the superb production in that track. > > This was probably the best Wicked I've been to since late '93 or early > '94 -- of course, I missed the Pierre and Little Louie nights. I thought > the crowd was so-so and would have benefited from a late surge from te > other clubs, which always adds a nice element to the floor after 5 am, > but believe me, I'm not complaining. Once in a while ya gotta do house > music all night long :-) > > phred > Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti shakti's in the house 'dance' From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 20:40:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA15394; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:40:07 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA15389; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:40:05 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA18506; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 04:42:38 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601082042.ZM18504@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:42:37 -0800 In-Reply-To: Tenderloin Waxx "Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave" (Jan 8, 8:44am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Tenderloin Waxx , "John S. Lee" Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Cc: Josh Bates , sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well i got my first sh101 for $80. i got my second one for free. (same with my jupiter 4, yamaha cs15...) some people place no value whatsoever on old analogs, you just have to find them. however, i have been looking for the tb303 for years and have yet to come across one. i will, eventually, i am sure. also, the sh101 is most definately *not* a substitute for the tb303. nor is the mc202. the 303 does some tweaky stuff with matching envelope amount to pitch or something like that, what you whear as the constantly-variable slides between notes, basically. it has some parameters that the 101 and 202 simply do not have. each of the old roland babies has it's specialty. the 101 is the workhorse, the 202 is the brain, the 303 is the tweak, the jupiter4 has an arpeggiator that *by itself* can keep a wasted chill room in pure sonic pleasure for 20 minutes. "a sucker born every minute?" if you have the means, and nead the gear, and that is the only one available then you pay the price or get nothing. that's capitalism. you may not like it, but what would *you* sell your tb303 for, john s. lee? On Jan 8, 8:44am, Tenderloin Waxx wrote: > Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave > I wanted a 303 because I wanted the acid sounds also, but found a > much better way to go about it, assuming you have other sound interests > also. Check this out. > > > I say paying over $300 bucks for that bucket of old bolts is a complete > > rip-off. You can find that piece, if you look hard enough, for about > > $25-$300 bucks in used music places. Check mission street at any of the > > pawn shops etc. Used music stores are always a good bet too. I tried to > > make a bid for one for a reasonable price of $250. The guy laughed and > > said that the bidding was up to $800, as he challenged me to prove I had > > the means to purchase. I laughed. That rock ain't worht no $800 bucks and > > anyone selling it for more than $300 is not only being a greedy bastard, > > but a typical opportunist. I really fell sorry for any schmuck who would > > pay over $300 for that piece. I own an SH-101, and that is just as good, > > if not BETTER than the tb303, with a much wider tonal range. I got the > > sh-101 for $150. And it has many more triggering options, better range > > than the tb303, and has an actual keyboard. > -------------- > > The unfortunate thing about the 303, IMHO, is that it really only does one > thing... it does it well, but it really only does one thing in a > parameterized way. > > I don't know what an "sh-101" is, nor what it's good for (although apparently > it's good as a cheap 303 substitute), but I found a synthesizer that does > the 303 sounds, along with nearly every other sound you've ever heard on any > house-scene-related-music source, whether it be house (deep, acid, trance, > etc.) or seriously fast techno, acid jazz, ambient or any of the other sub > genres that have arisen. > > I'm not sure if these are available new anymore, nor what Roland model was > supposed to replace them, but the JD 990 can do all the acid blips you can > stand, as well as being able to provide an incredible array of both preset > sounds, + 1 of the easiest interfaces I've seen on a digital synth (it's > not exactly a secret that digital synths tend to have horrible user > interfaces for designing sounds from scratch, or modifying existing sounds; > the JD 990 has a much better interface for doing this). > > You can't get this shit for 150.00, nor for 300... I paid 1300.00 for this > puppy new, but given the way technology devalues I would bet that if there > are units around to buy used, they would be probably half the price I paid > or less. Given that this machine can implement your entire tune, and that > you can get much more than just acid blips (but you can do that very nicely > also... I've done it), the price performance ratio is more what I'm looking > for. After all, 3 or 500 dollars for a machine that only does one thing > isn't very cost effective, IMHO. Higher prices obviously make it worse. > The other thing about the JD 990 is that it's professional quality gear, > meaning if you're serious, you can press the music you make with it, many > of you have been hearing this machine for some time on a vast array of > records of many styles, including those discussed here. > > > Whatever, like the man said "There's a sucker born every minute!", > --------------- > > The 303 is a perfect example of what Barnum was talking about, and when > a machine is revered for its historical use, it becomes ripe for this > kind of idolatry. Actually, so do people who become revered for their > "contributions" of whatever kind.... For example, an 808 is another of > these fabled machines... there's no need to buy one since there are much > better ways of providing editable slamming rhythm tracks, but many folks > want to have them because it's the machine hip hop was born on, (not to > diss SL 1200's), and alot of early house stuff as well. But the truth > is, these machines are less flexible and more difficult to work with > than many of the machines made more recently, many of which are probably > better machines anyway, but didn't become as famous. Samplers can easily > play back samples of 808 drum sounds + many other drum and percussion > sounds, for example, and when keyed from a Mac running studio vision or > performer or some other MIDI recording package, you have much more than > 1 lousy 808... > > jack "kill your heroes, punker, then come party with me" baby... > >-- End of excerpt from Tenderloin Waxx -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 20:45:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA15680; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:45:21 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA15659; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:45:17 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA18513; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 04:47:55 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601082047.ZM18511@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:47:55 -0800 In-Reply-To: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) "Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF" (Jan 8, 11:27am) References: <199601081927.LAA13126@jeeves.usfca.edu> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk backing evidence? i was born and raised in the bay area and santa cruz. been under willie brown all my life. the guy is coated with teflon, nothing sticks to him. career politician, big business interest, etc. he just happens to be a democrat. whatever. i had to vote for him in the runoff, could never vote for jordan. just the original post set me off. things are not just going to get sunny again. the police will still beat us up, business will still buy politics. some of the old boys are out now, but they are being replaced. willie can throw a better party, but i am not so optimistic about life in the city getting rosy all of a sudden. On Jan 8, 11:27am, Jake Reichert wrote: > Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in > > > > you aeem to be *far* more optimistic about slick willie > > than i expected of smart, active rave-type folk. but i > > i guess that's how he has always won - by fooling people. > > I think this is fairly degrading to the original poster - just because you > don't like Willie Brown doesn't mean that someone else is somehow less > intelligent for believing in him. It's okay to have political opinions, but > please, remember that intelligent discussion of an issue is one thing and > mindless bashing of someone else's position without a scintilla of backing > evidence is quite another. > > Jake > > Jake Reichert | I used to be indecisive/ > reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu | But now I'm not so sure... > | -The The > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES" > B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------ The Happy Family > A=====================================V Bulgarian Voices | Pixies > | | | ____ | Bauhaus | Frazier Chorus > | /| | /\ | | \ | Michael Brook | Spirea X > | / | | / \ | | \ | The Breeders | Colourbox > | / | | / \ | | | | Dead Can Dance | Dif Juz > | /___| | /______\ | | | | Throwing Muses | The The > | | | / \ | | / | Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema > | | | / \ | |___ / | Cocteau Twins | Liquorice > A=====================================M Lisa Germano | M|A|R|R|S > X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides | The Birthday Party > A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch | C.V.O | Air Miami > Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow > That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks | Lisa Gerrard | Last Dance | Lush > Modern English | Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde | This Mortal Coil > The Wolfgang Press | Richenel | His Name Is Alive | Pale Saints > The Glee Club --------------------------------- Colin Newman > "LONELY IS AN EYESORE" > >-- End of excerpt from Jake Reichert -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 20:52:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA16286; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:52:08 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA16280; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:52:06 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA18522; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 04:54:33 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601082054.ZM18520@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 20:54:33 -0800 In-Reply-To: Uncle Noah "Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave" (Jan 8, 10:35am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Uncle Noah , Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Cc: "John S. Lee" , Josh Bates , sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yes, noah i like your ears :) i've got a prophet 600, not quite a prophet five, but it has a nice midi hack. the knobs are just not granular enough for what i like to do. i am also very attatched to my steiner evi - what eventually evolved into the akai evi except this one was made by nyle steiner, for his nephew, and it's analog and breath controled... oh, wait, here it is: http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban/jwz/WBL/Images/WBLfriendsNfamily.gif "it's not a bong, it's a synth" -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 22:35:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA22266; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:35:54 -0800 Received: from aurora.romoidoy.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA22261; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:35:48 -0800 Received: (from walrus@localhost) by aurora.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Non-Hub-112795) id WAA08056; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:35:42 -0800 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 22:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: Willis Wong To: SFRaves Subject: Re: Freq-8 goa trance in the woods In-Reply-To: <199601072325.PAA12743@well.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, John Draper wrote: > Surge was spinning some incredibly sick acid trance, which echoed through > the forest in such a way as to enhance the entrancing effect of the music. work with me people, I'm trying to describe the frequency 8 experience: It's crisp air, chilly, the moon is bright, lighting the trail through the woods... we walk... walk walk walk ... walk walk walk walk walk walk ... walk walk walk walk walk walk walk walk walk walk walk ....walkwalkwalkwalkwalkwalk!!! it was very mystical to be seemingly in the middle of nowhere surrounded by trees lit from spacey blue lights dancing to as crunch said "sick acid trance". what more could you want. I do admit though the drive up hwy 1 and the 15mph twisty turns just about made me spew... how do people do it... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 8 23:35:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA25514; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:35:10 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA25508; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:35:08 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA12446; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:35:08 -0800 Received: from [136.152.77.136] (thursday.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.77.136]) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA15969; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:33:30 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:33:37 -0700 To: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) From: thursday@uclink.berkeley.edu (Thursday) Subject: Re: Looking for Greg and Cindy Cc: SFRaves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 8 January, 1996 And what about the rest of the Bradys?? ;) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "It is the summer of the light. | Manuel E Garcia Where is Manuel? | Voice (510) 525 - 2998 His eyes are shut tight. | Fax (510) 525 - 2998 call first His hips are swinging to a beat | E-mail thursday@uclink.berkeley.EDU all his own." - Luscious Jackson | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 02:08:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA09632; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:08:00 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA09518; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:07:54 -0800 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id CAA23162; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:07:34 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199601091007.CAA23162@netcom11.netcom.com> Subject: Nervous White People's Music To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:07:34 -0800 (PST) Cc: MaryP76944@aol.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1590 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk " ... I don't like this stuff - it's nervous white people's music , y'know ? " Overheard in the men's room of the Bahia Restaurant / MAD , Jan. 8 , 1996 After a nice intimate dinner in celebration of my 41st birthday , my wife Mary and I went to MAD at the Bahia Restaurant. Due to various other commitments since the start of the year , MAD was my first dose of 'rave' in 1996! And it was like a cool drink of water after a drought. We got there fairly early by club standards - 9:57 PM , three minutes before the "official" start time. Of course , the high standards of those involved ensured that we walked into the place greeted by a fully functioning sound system being fed delicious music by Alex. Alex was on until about 11:20PM , when DRC took over the turntable(s). Unfortunetly , it seemed to me that one of the turntables died during her set, leaving DRC to play the tracks sequentially instead of mixing them . An impending work day Tuesday forced me to leave before Ethan got on , so someone else has to report on how his set was , and whether the turntable troubles got fixed. It was nice to see so many familiar faces again - I couldn't think of a better way to celebrate my birthday! Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com PS - Flyer for next week's MAD ( Jan. 15th ) says that the DJs will be : Jon Santos ( Detroit ) Joe Rice ( Berkeley ) Special Guest David Cooper ( Toronto ) PPS - I don't know if the guy meant " nervous music of white people" or " music of nervous white people" - probably a little of both. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 02:14:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA13049; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:14:24 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA13042; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:14:21 -0800 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id CAA23333; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:14:01 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199601091014.CAA23333@netcom11.netcom.com> Subject: AMAZON - new weekly ? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:14:01 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 262 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if this is a one-off or a new weekly - anyway , it was on a flyer at MAD : AMAZON 1-16-96 A Deep House Love Feast With D.J.'s Gravity , Tracy , and guest 10 till 2a.m. 3 bucks @ 1600 Market ( Bahia ) 21+ 33.3% to Earth First! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 02:17:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA13144; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:17:50 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA13139; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:17:48 -0800 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id CAA23484; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:17:28 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199601091017.CAA23484@netcom11.netcom.com> Subject: MacWorld Events? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:17:28 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 140 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Are there going to be any musical events going on in relation to MacWorld this week ( Wed/Thurs/Fri ) ? Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 07:03:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA00680; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:03:25 -0800 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA00675; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:03:22 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA08550; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:02:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 07:02:58 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Rocky Mullin" From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > well i got my first sh101 for $80. i got my second one > for free. (same with my jupiter 4, yamaha cs15...) > some people place no value whatsoever on old analogs, > you just have to find them. however, i have been looking > for the tb303 for years and have yet to come across one. > i will, eventually, i am sure. > > also, the sh101 is most definately *not* a substitute for > the tb303. nor is the mc202. the 303 does some tweaky stuff > with matching envelope amount to pitch or something like that, > what you whear as the constantly-variable slides between notes, > basically. it has some parameters that the 101 and 202 > simply do not have. > > each of the old roland babies has it's specialty. the 101 > is the workhorse, the 202 is the brain, the 303 is the tweak, > the jupiter4 has an arpeggiator that *by itself* can keep a > wasted chill room in pure sonic pleasure for 20 minutes. > > "a sucker born every minute?" if you have the means, and nead > the gear, and that is the only one available then you pay the > price or get nothing. that's capitalism. you may not like it, > but what would *you* sell your tb303 for, john s. lee? > John is fine thanks. As for selling a tb303, I would sell it for anywhere between $250-$300. Since I am a man of means, and since I do not beleive in a grubbing free-market laissez-faire attitude toward others, and since I am not always looking for maximum profit, selling it at that price would be no problem for me. But why would that suprise you, my previous post SAID that I wouldn't buy it for anything more, why would I front, and try selling it for more. Rocky, I talk the talk, AND I walk the walk. As for the sh 101 being a substitute for the tb303, to each his own. Andrew of Astral Matrix, myself, hardkiss, and others use the sh 101 as a sub for the 303, and it does a great job of outdoing the 303. The more modren synths make the 303 a mere toy, with all the routing options etc. the 303 is truly an obsolete, overhyped piece of history. Whatever, if you can't do without it fine. Others have done better without it, some have done worse. Buy what you want, that will suit you need. But don't get rippied off doing it. And yes, there really is a sucker born every minute. Just ask the fool who bought a tb303 for $1000 and see what they think about thier purchase. Nuff said, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 08:19:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA06553; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:19:04 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA06542; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:19:01 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id IAA24176; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:18:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:18:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199601091618.IAA24176@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: AMAZON - new weekly ? X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There was a club called Amazon in Sacramento that I used to go to several years ago that is gothic/industrial. I just don't know if I could bring myself to attend another one, even if it is house music. :) Rick > >I don't know if this is a one-off or a new weekly - anyway , it was on a flyer >at MAD : > > AMAZON > 1-16-96 > A Deep House Love Feast > With D.J.'s Gravity , Tracy , and guest > > 10 till 2a.m. > 3 bucks @ > 1600 Market > ( Bahia ) > 21+ 33.3% to Earth First! > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 08:28:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA07200; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:28:41 -0800 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA07192; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:28:38 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA22549; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:28:17 -0800 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199601091628.IAA22549@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Like I said.... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:28:17 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1337 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As I said before the coronation of our great king, Willie L. Brown Jr., San Francisco, CA. will NEVER be the same. Not optimism, fact: Chief of Police: Fred Leiu (sp?) - Asian-American Fire Chief : ?? (forgot his name, do know that he was the one who brought a federal lawsuit of discrimination AGAINST the fire dept of SF. Now SFFD is under the federal eye as it STILL integrates) - African-American And some other interesting appointment, like civilian oversight is now run by an African-American Lesbian (who was part of the prosecutorial team AGAINST Ollie North), is now on civilian oversight comission. Nope, I doubt I'll leave the most left of cities anytime soon. This eems to be just the start, the hard part for Willie will be the blanacing act as he tries to appease everyone. But then again, he has really made no promisies, other than it won't be business as usual. By his appointments so dfar, he has at least lived up to that claim. Hey, city hall is starting to reflect the diversity of the city. Finally. Diversity roolz dood.... ;) (I have not stopped laughing since Willie received his lifetime appointment as Mayor of The City. If nothing else, this will be a very interesting town to live in for the next 4 years.) hahahahahahahahahaha! Da Mayor, hahahahahahaha! Go Willie GO! John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 08:54:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA09263; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:54:16 -0800 Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA09256; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:54:13 -0800 Received: by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA02442; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:53:41 -0500 Date: 09 Jan 96 11:51:27 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: MacWorld Events? Message-ID: <960109165126_71165.755_GHL148-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There is a Digital Be-In on Thursday night from 7pm until 2 am at the Transmission Theater at 314-11th Street -- the flyer bills it as... Multimedia concert - Exhibition - Happening with appearances by Timothy Leary, John Barlow, Allen Cohen and the launch of the Cyberspace Be-in with Live Netcase (http://www.be-in.com) Tickets are $15 in advance or w/MacExpo badge, $20 at door, call 415-777-9901 for information or at Bass outlets From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 09:41:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA12932; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:41:11 -0800 Received: from pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA12927; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:41:07 -0800 Received: from [128.32.192.224] (ch051.Chance.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.192.224]) by pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA20876 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:40:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:40:54 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu (David Ginsberg) Subject: Good Morning San Fransisco! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Willie Brown sure knows how to throw a party! I had shrimp cocktail, asian food (I have no idea what it was but it sure was good!), stew, ice cream, watched Brazilian and Central American dancers & danced to Santana for a couple of magical hours. Did anyone else go (besides you Tony)? The Valley of the DJs was alright, though I think they could have done better if they'd posted a request for help to this list...hopefully this is a sign of brighter days to come for all of us, and through us and others the rest of the city! peacelovejoy, David ******************************************************************* David Ginsberg Student of Cognitive Science University of California at Berkeley ******************************************************************* From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 13:13:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA19326; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:13:45 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA19320; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:13:42 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA21214 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:15:52 GMT Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00676 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:13:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199601092113.NAA00676@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 13:34:23 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Like I said.... X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >As I said before the coronation of our great king, Willie L. Brown Jr., >San Francisco, CA. will NEVER be the same. Not optimism, fact: That's like saying, the Enola Gay just took off for Japan! Nagasaki will never be the same! Boy that city has been BORING, but it's going to get REAL exciting in a few hours!! >hahahahahahahahahaha! Da Mayor, hahahahahahaha! Other than putting a better mix of people into government positions, I really don't anticipate anything good from Willie. He's the ultimate career politician -- and that's a scarey thought, cause career politicians are in it primarily for themselves, and that's all. I'm not knockin' him, I'm just not rooting for him either. I always felt that, while Jordan was, as you put it, *boring*, he seemed to really care about the city and it's welfare. I don't get those vibes from Willie, y'know? This guy is more concerned about his image and power than anything else. 'Course, you may be right. Ole Willie may rock the house. It will certainly be better for all of us on this list if he can loosen up things for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... T From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 13:26:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA20321; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:26:16 -0800 Received: from tetons.examen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA20316; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:26:13 -0800 From: amyp@yosemite.examen.com Received: from examen.com by tetons.examen.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tZlYf-002CQFC; Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:26 PST Received: from pongo.examen.com by examen.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04854; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:25:56 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: This weekends events Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 08:36: 1 PST Message-Id: <9601081636.014F7C@pongo.examen.com> X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey out there... Does anyone know if there is anything going on this coming weekend, January 12-13?...I didn't see anything on the calendar. Some of my friends had been talking about some parties but I don't know which ones they were talking about. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 13:26:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA20358; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:26:28 -0800 Received: from tetons.examen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA20351; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:26:26 -0800 From: amyp@yosemite.examen.com Received: from examen.com by tetons.examen.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tZlYs-002CQoC; Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:26 PST Received: from pongo.examen.com by examen.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04888; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:26:07 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: This weekends events Date: Mon, 8 Jan 96 12:52:16 PST Message-Id: <9601082052.104D68@pongo.examen.com> X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey out there... Does anyone know if there is anything going on this coming weekend, January 12-13?...I didn't see anything on the calendar. Some of my friends had been talking about some parties but I don't know which ones they were talking about. let me know any info. Thanks, amy :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 13:47:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA22262; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:47:01 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA22231; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:46:52 -0800 Received: from sfasc232.slip.net (sfasc232.slip.net [206.14.14.232]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA20891 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:46:36 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:46:36 -0800 Message-Id: <199601092146.NAA20891@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: MOS EISLEY *TONIGHT* Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk MOS EISLEY SPACEPORT Cybertrance/Techno Tonight's Line-up JOHN HOWARD MARCUS LOPEZ* MARS *Marcus Lopez is in town from Berlin. He is a famous German, dj resident to the legendary club TRESOR, as well as his own label on SUPERSTITION. If you want a real taste of German techno, come check this dude out. CLUB BOOMERANG 1840 HAIGHT ST.@ STANYAN 21+ 415.387.2996 $3 10-2am From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 14:54:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA27549; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:54:17 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA27542; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:54:11 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:54:07 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:54:00 -0800 To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: MacWorld Events? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 2:17 AM 1/9/96, Larry Ching wrote :>Are there going to be any musical events going on in relation to MacWorld >this week ( Wed/Thurs/Fri ) ? > > Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com Hi there, ------------- Party List #1 ------------- TUESDAY: 1/09/96 7:30 AM 9:30 AM Symantec User Group Breakfast ANA Hotel 1/09/96 8:00 AM 9:30 AM Power Computing PowerCurve Rollout ANA Hotel, 50 3rd. St, 2nd floor, University Room, across the street from Moscone, 415-974-6400; Invite Only; RSVP lwall@waltsom.uucp.netcom.com or call Erin Curtis or Lynne Wall at 408-496-0900 1/09/96 8:00 AM 9:00 AM Ion/Interscope/Inscape Primus Tales=8A =8Afrom the Punchbowl and Residents Bad Day on the Midway Party; Bimbos 365 Club, 1025 Columbus 1/09/96 9:00 AM 5:00 PM Mactivity/Web http://www.mactivity.com/conferences/m_web/m_web.html 1/09/96 10:00 AM 6:00 PM Macworld Expo 1/09/96 12:00 PM 12:30 PM Macromedia/ Xres demo at Marriott, room number TK.; Lynne Stadler and Tom Hale. 1/09/96 3:00 PM 4:00 PM Natural Intelligence Roaster Press Conference Moscone press room 113 1/09/96 5:30 PM 8:30 PM Dantz Party the Cartoon Art Museum, 814 Mission St., 2nd Floor, across from 5th & Mission Garage; 1/09/96 6:00 PM 7:30 PM Club Adtype debriefing sponsored by Adtype Solutions, an Apple reseller in Sydney, Aust.; the 30th Flor Bar, Holiday Inn Union Square, Sutton St. 1/09/96 6:00 PM 8:00 PM Live Picture Press Conference ...to unveil Live Pcture 2.5.; Digital Pond, 4th Street.; RSVP to Eileen Ebner @ ebner@mcleanpr.com or 415-513-8800. 1/09/96 6:00 PM 8:00 PM CharisMac Beer/T-Shirt/Pizza Party Marriott 1/09/96 6:30 PM 7:30 PM UGWUMP Live Broadcast on eWorld (Shortcut: IRC) and IRC channel #UserGroups 1/09/96 6:45 PM 10:00 PM Claris FM Pro 3.0 Launch Press & Invite only; @ SF MOMA, 151 3rd St.; RSVP 12/22 @ (408) 987-3888 or sue_hrt@claris.com 1/09/96 8:00 PM 11:59 PM Ingram Micro Party Gift Center Pavillion WEDNESDAY: 1/10/96 7:00 AM 10:00 AM Adobe User Group Breakfast ANA Hotel 1/10/96 7:30 AM 9:00 AM DK Multimedia press breakfast; Ultimate Sex Guide CD Anne Hooper's Ultimate Sex Guide CD-ROM; cheri grand; dkcherig@aol.com 1/10/96 7:45 AM 10:00 AM Claris VIP Breakfast with Claris execs; RSVP Bernie Stark, 408-987-3830; present invite at door 1/10/96 8:00 AM 9:30 AM Freehand Breakfast ANA Hotel, 50 3rd St., Metropolitan II room; breakfast @ 8:00m, presentation @ 8:30m; RSVP by 01/08/96 to Jane Chuey, 415-252-2268 or macropr@macromedia.com 1/10/96 8:00 AM 9:45 AM Mac Home Journal Breakfast Sheraton Palace, 2 Montgomery 1/10/96 10:00 AM 6:00 PM Macworld Expo 1/10/96 11:00 AM 12:00 PM Specular Press Conference Moscone room 113; food, press eval copies 1/10/96 1:00 PM 3:00 PM Apple Tech Vision 1996 Briefing from COMDEX repeated; Room 102 next to Apple Pavilion; Moscone South; RSVP by 12/21/95; (408) 974-8695, fax (408) 974-1929 1/10/96 2:00 PM 3:00 PM Big Island Intro communications software rollout; Moscone 113 1/10/96 3:30 PM 4:30 PM StarNine/Quarterdeck Moscone Center meeting room 113, South Hall; contact Naomi Pearce @ (510) 528-0824 or naomi@well.com; Press Only 1/10/96 4:00 PM 5:15 PM Macworld Expo User Group Extravaganza Moscone 302; simulated UG meeting 1/10/96 5:00 PM 7:00 PM Frontier Birds of a Feather Suite I on 4th Floor of Marriott; 30 NW'd computers; no net hookup 1/10/96 5:30 PM 7:30 PM Netcom Press Party Happy Hour Moscone Mezzanine room 232; RSVP Jill Ryan (jill_ryan@mcleanpr.com) or 415-513-8800 1/10/96 5:30 PM 7:30 PM MAUG Cocktail Party A get-together of the Mac forums on CIS; everyone welcome; ANA Hotel in Cafe 53 (aka the Jester Lounge) off the lobby 1/10/96 6:00 PM 8:00 PM ANA Hotel, Metro I & II, 50 3rd. St. 1/10/96 6:00 PM 9:00 PM Adobe Illustrator Party Miss Pearl's Jam House, 601 Eddy; one-way shuttle from Moscone (see invite for details) 1/10/96 6:00 PM 8:30 PM Mac Home Journal Readers' Choice Kate O'Brians, 579 Howard 1/10/96 6:00 PM 8:30 PM APS Party ANA Hotel, Metropolitan I & II, 50 3rd. St. 1/10/96 6:00 PM 10:00 PM Agfa Party Dynamic Duo Party--DuoScan and Horizon Ultra.; Also Digital cameras; Sheraton Palace; cocktails, etc 1/10/96 6:30 PM 10:00 PM BMUG meeting Nikko Hotel 1/10/96 6:30 PM 10:30 PM Bad Mojo Roach Party Bimbo's, Columbus @ Chstnut 1/10/96 7:00 PM 9:00 PM StarNine/Quarterdesk User Group Meeting ANA Hotel, 50 3rd St., Metropolitan III room 1/10/96 7:30 PM 10:00 PM Macromedia Party Paradise Lounge; 1101 Folsom Street; RSVP to Grace Hom 252-2209 or ghom@macromedia.com 1/10/96 8:00 PM 11:59 PM Apple/Adobe/DataTranslation Party Club DV8, 540 Howard 1/10/96 8:00 PM 11:59 PM NEC 3rd annual charity party "Celebration of Digital Art," Gift Center Pavilion. 1/10/96 8:00 PM 11:59 PM Connectix Party 1/10/96 9:00 PM 10:00 PM ZD-Yahoo Techno Rave RSVP Leslie Keirns, 415-578-7664 for location; INVITE ONLY THURSDAY: 1/11/96 7:30 AM 9:30 AM WEST Corporate Briefing Invite only; Pan Pacific Hotel 1/11/96 7:30 AM 9:30 AM Apple User Group Breakfast invite only; RSVP req'd; http:://www.ugconnection.org/events/macworld.html 1/11/96 10:00 AM 6:00 PM Macworld Expo 1/11/96 12:00 PM 12:30 PM Symantec to show Suitcase; Marriott, Pacific 4-J; Fourth Level; Joel Black 1/11/96 6:00 PM 7:00 PM Netter's Dinner $16/person; must pre-register beforehand with credit card at http://iw.cts.com/~jonpugh/nettersdinner.html; buffet; meet top escalators @ entrance @ 6p 1/11/96 6:30 PM 8:00 PM Mac Consultant's Dinner Bistro M, 55 Fifth St.; meet @ 6:30p, dinner at 7p; around $55-65/person; come meet tons of Mac consultants; http://www.lookup.com/52515/home.html 1/11/96 6:30 PM 9:30 PM Friends of BMUG BlastHaus, 2nd St. near Howard; contact lisa_taplin@bmug.org, 510-337-9427 1/11/96 7:00 PM 8:00 PM 8th Annual Digital Art Be-In $15 in advance, $20 at the door at Verbum Booth #4474 or Bass Tickets; 415-777-9901, mail@verbum.com 1/11/96 9:00 PM 11:59 PM Digital Media Players Party Expoloatorium, INVITE ONLY; sponsered by MacWEEK, Apple and more; Chris Issak will perform =46RIDAY: 1/12/96 10:00 AM 6:00 PM Macworld Expo SATURDAY: 1/13/96 6:00 PM 10:30 PM Digital Queers Annual Bash the coolest party at Expo; $35 in advance, $50 at door; The Forum at the Center for the Arts, Yerba Buena Gardens (across the street from Moscone); entertainment by HBO comediene Suzanna Westenhoefer; sponsored by a zillion companies including Apple, Connectix, etc.; DQWebel@ao.com or info@dq.org or 415-252-6282 ------------ Party List #2 ------------- Tuesday, January 9, 1996 o 7:30 AM9:30 AM Symantec User Group Breakfast ANA Hotel o 8:00 AM9:30 AM Power Computing PowerCurve Rollout ANA Hotel, 50 3rd. St, 2nd floor, University Room, across the street from Moscone, 415-974-6400; Invite Only; RSVP lwall@waltsom.uucp.netcom.com or call Erin Curtis or Lynne Wall at 408-496-0900 o 8:00 AM9:00 AM Ion/Interscope/Inscape Primus Tales......from the Punchbowl and Residents Bad Day on the Midway Party; Bimbos 365 Club, 1025 Columbus o 9:00 AM5:00 PM Mactivity/Web o 10:00 AM 6:00 PM Macworld Expo o 12:00 PM 12:30 PM Macromedia/ Xres demo at Marriot, room number = TK. Lynne Stadler and Tom Hale. o 5:00pm - 7:30pm Apple Developer Relations CEO Reception o 5:30pm - 8:30pm Dantz MacWorld Party The Cartoon Art Museum, 814 Mission St., 2nd Flr= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 14:57:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA27757; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:57:08 -0800 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA27732; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:56:54 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA27775; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:56:29 -0800 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199601092256.OAA27775@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Like I said.... To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:56:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601092113.NAA00676@shellx.best.com> from "SDream" at Jan 9, 96 01:34:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 5448 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >As I said before the coronation of our great king, Willie L. Brown Jr., > >San Francisco, CA. will NEVER be the same. Not optimism, fact: > > That's like saying, the Enola Gay just took off for Japan! Nagasaki will > never be the same! Boy that city has been BORING, but it's going to get > REAL exciting in a few hours!! > > >hahahahahahahahahaha! Da Mayor, hahahahahahaha! > > Other than putting a better mix of people into government positions, I > really don't anticipate anything good from Willie. He's the ultimate career > politician -- and that's a scarey thought, cause career politicians are in > it primarily for themselves, and that's all. I was raised around politics for the majority of my life. Politicians are politicians. I would elect a politician to do political things, that's what they do. I want someone in there who can cut the *right* (or *left* ;) ) deal. I want someone in there who can not only get thier palm greased (a by product of politics), but also help thier constituents out. Jordan was not able to do the job, so the people elected Da Mayor to do what Jordan couldn't. SF will give just about anyone a chance, and they will throw the person out as well if they don't perform (ask Agnos, another leftie who couldn't live up to even his OWN expectations). So I'm really not worried. Sf needs an enema. this place has gone backwards in terms of being progressive. I think that if nothing else, at least for the next 4 years, SF will be a fun place, and exciting place to be. I gues you have to understand the entire Willie Brown posse, from his son Michael, all the way to his bedroom where he keeps that cutie of a girlfriend of his (yes, Willie is STILL married, hahahahaha! Man, this guy IS slick!). SF need someone who can move the board of supes, Willie will be the man. It's really not a matter of me being hyped on him so much as me being hyped on the potential for change. The fact that in less than 12 hours, he's appointed Asians and Black (two underrepresented and FORGOTTEN peoples in SF politics) into very visible key positions of power, mean that this will not be like the SF of any recent past. The fact that more appointments are coming leaves plenty of room for more change. The only thing he need do after creating this machine is turn it on and see if it runs/ then see if it works. I am willing to give him, just like I gave Jordan (fro 4 years no less), the benefit of the doubt and see what he does to make SF a place where I can raise my son. So far, I must say, I have been pleased with the general direction he's taken. He should continue to push left, sensibly, and in short order, after he's built his machine, put it to good use. Only time will tell. I got a couple of years, I'll stay and watch the proceedings with great interest. Rest assured, if he kicks butt, I will give him propers all over the place. If he fucks up, I'll dis his ass all over the place. > I'm not knockin' him, I'm just > not rooting for him either. I always felt that, while Jordan was, as you > put it, *boring*, he seemed to really care about the city and it's welfare. Debateable. Do you live here that you can please qualify that statement as to how this city has gotten better under and with all his caring? Shit is bubbling to the surface about police misconduct, inefficiencies in govt., muni sux, etc. Gang rapes have become quite commonplace in our city for the last 6 months now. Naw, Frank Jordan, like most borin bean-counters, cared about the bottom line. Yes, he balanced the budget, but at whose expense. Yes, some streets were safer, while others became havens of death. I was a STRONG Jordan supporter, but even I knew that many of his policies (those that existed anyway), came far short of delivery. He even reniged on SOMA being a nightspot and has made a crusade of getting rid of night spots in the city (usually citing crime), and let the cops have a virtual feild day with partygoers. The number of venues (and thus revenue generation) shrunk under Jordans reign, while htere are new condos everywhere (isn't this fucking place built up enuf?). Yep, Willie get my vote of confidence for the next 4. After that I'll analyze and see wassup. > I don't get those vibes from Willie, y'know? This guy is more concerned > about his image and power than anything else. Willie is concerned about his image, I want politicans to be concerned about their image, since there is little else to shame them. I want him to be concerend about his poweer, thru power you can engage in action. through action you can change things. And I want a tough ass, greasy politico in there when he/she has to deal with others of that ilk. Politics is about that, ask any freshman House Member. As hard-assed as they wanna be, even they have to make concessions at times. BKA grease. > > 'Course, you may be right. Ole Willie may rock the house. It will > certainly be better for all of us on this list if he can loosen up things > for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... 100% here! And that Wessonality is a real +. Sf hasn't had these types of politics in years, and I look forward to a behemoth of a machine getting some real stuff done. It's the only way to make the supes do anything (and they've done NOTHING since Jordan has been in office). > > T > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 14:59:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA27970; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:59:42 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA27964; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:59:38 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA16358; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:08:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:08:55 -0800 (PST) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Good Morning San Fransisco! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:40:54 -0800 From: David Ginsberg To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Good Morning San Fransisco! Willie Brown sure knows how to throw a party! I had shrimp cocktail, asian food (I have no idea what it was but it sure was good!), stew, ice cream, watched Brazilian and Central American dancers & danced to Santana for a couple of magical hours. Did anyone else go (besides you Tony)? The Valley of the DJs was alright, though I think they could have done better if they'd posted a request for help to this list...hopefully this is a sign of brighter days to come for all of us, and through us and others the rest of the city! peacelovejoy, Nero fiddled while Rome burned? Perhaps a little melodramatic, I like a party as much as the next guy, but someone please tell me that Willie payed for the party out of his own campaign funds rather than tax dollars. Anyone know? Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 15:01:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA28354; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:01:59 -0800 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28328; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:01:46 -0800 Received: (from keiper@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) id PAA141154; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:01:51 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Keiper To: Uncle Noah cc: Tenderloin Waxx , "John S. Lee" , Josh Bates , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk also check the sequential's pro 1, and the korg ms 20 (boy, if you can find *that* one....) really good bass sounds there. kevin :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 15:19:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA00308; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:19:00 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA00301; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:18:57 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA01256 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:21:05 GMT Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA24616 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:18:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199601092318.PAA24616@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 15:39:36 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: This weekends events X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Amy, >Does anyone know if there is anything going on this coming >weekend, January 12-13?... Naw. I'm going to hit Spundae, but that's about it. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 15:24:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA00768; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:24:31 -0800 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA00762; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:24:28 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA02067; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:24:04 -0800 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199601092324.PAA02067@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Good Morning San Fransisco! To: blkadder@value.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:24:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "blkadder@value.net" at Jan 9, 96 03:08:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1383 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:40:54 -0800 > From: David Ginsberg > To: sfraves@hyperreal.com > Subject: Good Morning San Fransisco! > > Willie Brown sure knows how to throw a party! I had shrimp cocktail, asian > food (I have no idea what it was but it sure was good!), stew, ice cream, > watched Brazilian and Central American dancers & danced to Santana for a > couple of magical hours. Did anyone else go (besides you Tony)? The > Valley of the DJs was alright, though I think they could have done better > if they'd posted a request for help to this list...hopefully this is a sign > of brighter days to come for all of us, and through us and others the rest > of the city! > > peacelovejoy, > > Nero fiddled while Rome burned? Perhaps a little melodramatic, I like a > party as much as the next guy, but someone please tell me that Willie > payed for the party out of his own campaign funds rather than tax > dollars. Anyone know? > > Black Adder > > The only thing that impacted the tax payers, were the extra cops required. Everything else was DONATED by various restaurants and eateries in the area. The local carpenters union built everything GRATIS, everything was, from my understanding, DONATED. Now THAT'S slick! Hahahahahaha, Da Mayor! Should be, Da King! Out & :), John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 16:04:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03857; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:04:15 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03848; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:04:10 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA19968; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:12:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:12:30 -0800 (PST) To: "John S. Lee" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Good Morning San Fransisco! In-Reply-To: <199601092324.PAA02067@netcom20.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > > > > > > Nero fiddled while Rome burned? Perhaps a little melodramatic, I like a > > party as much as the next guy, but someone please tell me that Willie > > payed for the party out of his own campaign funds rather than tax > > dollars. Anyone know? > > > > Black Adder > > > > > The only thing that impacted the tax payers, were the extra cops > required. Everything else was DONATED by various restaurants and > eateries in the area. The local carpenters union built everything > GRATIS, everything was, from my understanding, DONATED. > > Now THAT'S slick! > > Hahahahahaha, Da Mayor! > > Should be, Da King! > > Out & :), > John Thanks for the info. I still think that Willie Brown is the epitome of what is wrong with politics, but am glad to hear he didn't spend taxpayer funds on the party. You are correct John, he is slick. But definitely the lesser of the two evils. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 17:34:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA10478; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:34:16 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA10473; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:34:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199601100134.RAA10473@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: newbies! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:27:24 -0800 (PST) From: lanima00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 301 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all! i've got 2 friends this week who have never raved before, and i need suggesting as to where to bring them. neither particularly like substances, but both like to dance ALOT! outdoor prefered, but i know that's not likely. any suggestions? thanks!! peace, love, and newbies- matt l. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 17:38:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA10798; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:38:05 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA10793; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:38:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199601100138.RAA10793@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: NON-RAVE= ISP needed! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 17:31:13 -0800 (PST) From: lanima00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 501 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all, and thanks for reading a non-rave message. i'm shopping around for a good isp with either an 800 or 408 number for my father, an accountant. it needs to have the following things- 1) full e-mail access 2) ability to create and update a medium size www home page 3) ppp or slip acess prefered, he doesn't have isdn or 10BaseT i've heard good things about many, but there's so many, i don't know where to start. any suggestions, please let me know! peace, love, and isp's- matt l. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 19:26:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA19196; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:26:28 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA19190; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:26:23 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00216; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:26:15 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601091926.ZM214@well> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:26:15 -0800 In-Reply-To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) "Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave" (Jan 9, 7:02am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), "Rocky Mullin" Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Nonsense, John. There are things a 303 can do that no other machine can do, because it was so brain-damaged to begin with. That's what many of the people I know who 've worked with all of these units tell me -- Taylor808 for one. And if it's worth $1,000 to you to have that flexibility, then a 303 is definitely worth $1,000. I have paid under market prices for gear (computers and ham radio stuff, mostly), and felt ripped off, and I've paid more than the "going rate" and been quite happy. It just depends. It It's like that with records, too. I saw an old U2 12" single I wouldn't have paid 50 cents for, but the price tag said ** $50.00 ** and meant it. And someone bought it for that price, because that is what it was worth to them. In that kind of collector's market, there's no telling. I've got records I bought for a dollar that people tell me are worth upwards of $100. Would I sell? No way. It just depends. phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 19:34:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA19550; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:34:47 -0800 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA19545; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:34:44 -0800 Received: (from keiper@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) id TAA38311; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:34:49 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:34:49 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Keiper To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: synths and stuph... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i hope those interested get this post. i am resending it 'cause it was sent back, due to some problem somewhere... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:31:35 -0800 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: keiper@itsa.ucsf.edu Subject: Returned mail: User unknown The original message was received at Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:31:31 -0800 from keiper@localhost ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "John S. Lee"@netcom.com (unrecoverable error) Waxx@netcom.com (unrecoverable error) Tenderloin@netcom.com (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail5.netcom.com.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 Tenderloin@netcom.com... User unknown >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 Waxx@netcom.com... User unknown >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 "John S. Lee"@netcom.com... User unknown ----- Original message follows ----- Return-Path: keiper Received: (from keiper@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) id TAA44773; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:31:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:31:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Keiper To: "John S. Lee" cc: Tenderloin@netcom.com, Waxx@netcom.com, twaxx@netcom.com, "John S. Lee"@netcom.com, jsl@netcom.com Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave In-Reply-To: <199601092329.PAA02808@netcom20.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > > > > also check the sequential's pro 1, and the korg ms 20 (boy, if you can > > find *that* one....) > > really good bass sounds there. > > > > kevin > > :) > > > > > > Yeah, the pro 1 is a nice piece. Personally I have been enamored of > Rolands gear, so the Juno 106 is my analog synth of choice. It's warmer > than some other pieces, and is polyphonic. Other than that, all I need > is Alchemy, my Emax SE, and a Mac, and I'm good to go. Oh yeah, & > Passports Pro 5 Sequencer (would prefer Vision). > > Peace, > John > > Anyone remeber the Jupiter 6? Someone was talking about the 4 when I > remembered the 6 & 8 (the Jupiter 8 is the one!). The 6 had some nice > options as well as some triggering shit that was , as I recall, > impressive. It was rolands first major effort at Midi conformance BEFORE > the Juno 106 came out (I sold my Juno 6 many moon ago, along with my Moog > Prodigy <--- can you say stoopid!). The Midi at that time was flakey, > but the sounds and shit....wow! > > ive twiddled on the jup. 6 i think perhaps it was the 8. nice board, esp. w/ balanced outs and midi. ive got a juno 6. sweet, but the chorus is noisy, and the volume knob is too while adjusting it. insights? sh101 and mc202: boy, if only i had these. the triggering is real good, and i really love the oscillators roland is famous for. mainly i like to experiment with raw waves i've sampled (w30 workstation sampler) and filter/effect them for good patches. i wish there was some party where people could bring some gear and jam. ive seen single cell, velocette, etc. etc. these guys are good, but there should be a spot where it is more open. and what about females? the whole elec. music thang is such a 'boys w/ toys' gig. too bad. some of these synths are really good for percussive sounds too... just adjust the sliders - frequency down, resonance up... kevin :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 19:35:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA19609; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:35:28 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA19604; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:35:26 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA04158; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:35:19 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601091935.ZM4156@well> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:35:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Wayne D. Correia" "Re: MacWorld Events?" (Jan 9, 2:54pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: "Wayne D. Correia" , larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: MacWorld Events? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hmm, what's this "ZD/Yahoo Techno Rave" thing, sounds dangerous :) phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 19:50:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA20576; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:50:11 -0800 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA20571; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:50:08 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA02882; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:49:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: Like I said, I wanna rock right now, To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601092113.NAA00676@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Other than putting a better mix of people into government positions, I > really don't anticipate anything good from Willie. He's the ultimate career > politician -- and that's a scarey thought, cause career politicians are in > it primarily for themselves, and that's all. I'm not knockin' him, I'm just > not rooting for him either. I always felt that, while Jordan was, as you > put it, *boring*, he seemed to really care about the city and it's welfare. ------------------------------ I'm really glad Willie beat Jordan, as I disagree with you completely on the issue of Jordan caring for the city; people who care about the city don't hand it over to downtown big corporate business and organize things like the 1989 Castro St. sweep... these are things that Jordan did. 1 Of my fears with Willie is that while I doubt he's the type to organize a crime like the Castro St. sweep, he might just turn the city over to the corporate elite because some of the serious heavies are clients of his. > 'Course, you may be right. Ole Willie may rock the house. It will > certainly be better for all of us on this list if he can loosen up things > for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... -------------------------- My Wessonality meter is keyed primarily on to issues: 1. getting municipal power in SF and bagging P.G.&E. 2. disallowing the sale of Viacom cable to TCI Communications, and forcing Viacom to comply with the current contracts they've signed, but are defaulting on several of the requirements. These two issues alone would make so much money for San Francisco that if he gets these both done, I'll be truly impressed and will sing his praises for days, possibly longer. More importantly, there are legal realities about both of these two issues that mandate municipal power and Viacom living up to existing contracts but the scum of city hall (currently, Jordan and Smith) have apparently been paid off by campaign contributions or some other less obvious manner of payment, and have decided to ignore the fact that municipal power in San Francisco is mandated by the Raker Act (is that the correct act?) and that Viacom has failed to honor terms of their contract... probably, aside from the corruptive influences, an easy pair of cases. Aside from the corruptive influences, that is. That's how I'll be judging both Willie and Terence, so with that in mind, I'd like to say... Go Willie! Go Terence! And P.G.&E. and Viacom... get the fuck out of San Francisco, already! Damn! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 20:20:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA22062; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:20:47 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA22057; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:20:44 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA29552; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:29:29 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 20:29:27 -0800 (PST) To: Tenderloin Waxx cc: SDream , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Like I said, I wanna rock right now, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Tenderloin Waxx wrote: > > > 'Course, you may be right. Ole Willie may rock the house. It will > > certainly be better for all of us on this list if he can loosen up things > > for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... > -------------------------- > > My Wessonality meter is keyed primarily on to issues: > > 1. getting municipal power in SF and bagging P.G.&E. > > 2. disallowing the sale of Viacom cable to TCI Communications, > and forcing Viacom to comply with the current contracts they've > signed, but are defaulting on several of the requirements. Sounds vaguely like someone here is an avid reader of the Bay Guardian... ;) Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 21:32:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA26202; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:32:35 -0800 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA26196; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:32:32 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA15461; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:07:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:07:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: Like I said, I wanna rock right now, To: blkadder@value.net cc: SDream , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'll shut up soon (I swear!), but I was just informed that there's an interesting show on the gulf war on channel 9 right now... it's not the guardian but when you piece together stories from disparate sources and they all add up, it begins to create a coherent image... later * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 21:32:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA26238; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:32:52 -0800 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA26233; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:32:50 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id VAA14280; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:00:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:00:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tenderloin Waxx Subject: Re: Like I said, I wanna rock right now, To: blkadder@value.net cc: SDream , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... > > -------------------------- > > > > My Wessonality meter is keyed primarily on to issues: > > > > 1. getting municipal power in SF and bagging P.G.&E. > > > > 2. disallowing the sale of Viacom cable to TCI Communications, > > and forcing Viacom to comply with the current contracts they've > > signed, but are defaulting on several of the requirements. > > Sounds vaguely like someone here is an avid reader of the Bay Guardian... ;) -------------------- Ok, I'll admit I've read about that crap in the bay guardian, but I've been watching political machinations for years... after a while, you can do it by feel... I just use papers like the guardian to cover things like fact checking, which I suspect they're fairly truthful about that sort of thing. As for how to detect things like how you're being cheated, you just have to practise reading between the lines, whatching what people say, and more importantly what they do. Later you begin to make correlations between what a politician or CEO will say, and what action that will eventually translate to, but it takes some time, and so on. It's kind of fun, but I hate seeing people get as shamelessly burned as by PG&E, especially since I'm one of 'em, so I had to pipe up. lat, * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 22:33:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA29140; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:33:18 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA29134; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:33:15 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA04328; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:42:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:42:29 -0800 (PST) To: Tenderloin Waxx cc: SDream , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Like I said, I wanna rock right now, In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Tenderloin Waxx wrote: > > > > for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > My Wessonality meter is keyed primarily on to issues: > > > > > > 1. getting municipal power in SF and bagging P.G.&E. > > > > > > 2. disallowing the sale of Viacom cable to TCI Communications, > > > and forcing Viacom to comply with the current contracts they've > > > signed, but are defaulting on several of the requirements. > > > > Sounds vaguely like someone here is an avid reader of the Bay Guardian... ;) > -------------------- > > Ok, I'll admit I've read about that crap in the bay guardian, but > I've been watching political machinations for years... after a while, > you can do it by feel... I just use papers like the guardian to cover > things like fact checking, which I suspect they're fairly truthful > about that sort of thing. Oh it wasn't any kind of flame, just an observation. I respect the Guardian for the kind of journalism I think we need more of. Much more "real" than the watered-down AP/UPI feeds that we all end up with. As far as I have seen they state what they believe to be the facts and site sources when possible. The only fault I can find is that the coverage can tend to be a bit one-sided sometimes. But all in all a decent paper. Always been good for the club listings.... Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 9 22:37:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA29289; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:37:01 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA29278; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:36:57 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tZu9X-000D84C; Tue, 9 Jan 96 22:36 PST Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: newbies! To: lanima00 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601100134.RAA10473@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, lanima00 wrote: > hello all! i've got 2 friends this week who have never raved before, and > i need suggesting as to where to bring them. neither particularly like > substances, but both like to dance ALOT! outdoor prefered, but i know > that's not likely. any suggestions? > > thanks!! > > peace, love, and newbies- > > matt l. id definetly suggest crysalis. one of the first parties ive been to that made me really appreciate teh scene was the summer solastice party called light by gateway. its there ive made friends i still see and hug at raves today. :) evolution, feel teh love:) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 03:25:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA20840; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:25:35 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA20835; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:25:32 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA21459; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:28:15 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601100328.ZM21457@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:28:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) "Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave" (Jan 9, 7:02am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee), "Rocky Mullin" Subject: Re: TB303 wanted... NON Rave Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Jan 9, 7:02am, John S. Lee wrote: > > John is fine thanks. > > As for selling a tb303, I would sell it for anywhere between $250-$300. > Since I am a man of means, and since I do not beleive in a grubbing > free-market laissez-faire attitude toward others, and since I am not always > looking for maximum profit, selling it at that price would be no problem > for me. But why would that suprise you, my previous post SAID that I > wouldn't buy it for anything more, why would I front, and try selling it > for more. honorable. > As for the sh 101 being a substitute for the tb303, to each his own. > Andrew of Astral Matrix, myself, hardkiss, and others use the sh 101 as a > sub for the 303, and it does a great job of outdoing the 303. The more > modren synths make the 303 a mere toy, with all the routing options etc. > the 303 is truly an obsolete, overhyped piece of history. Whatever, if you > can't do without it fine. Others have done better without it, some have > done worse. still, there is something in the sequencing of the 303 that the 101 has no functionality for. i have to remember what this is called exactly though, i'll have to get back to you. the 101 is a *beautiful* instrument, i would never get by without my 101's. just not perfect substitues for 303's. close, but not *quite* there. -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 03:31:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA21136; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:31:29 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA21129; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:31:26 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA21471; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:34:13 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601100334.ZM21469@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:34:12 -0800 In-Reply-To: Kevin Keiper "synths and stuph..." (Jan 9, 7:34pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Kevin Keiper , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: synths and stuph... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Jan 9, 7:34pm, Kevin Keiper wrote: > > ive twiddled on the jup. 6 i think perhaps it was the 8. nice board, esp. > w/ balanced outs and midi. ive got a juno 6. sweet, but the chorus is > noisy, and the volume knob is too while adjusting it. insights? > sh101 and mc202: boy, if only i had these. the triggering is real good, > and i really love the oscillators roland is famous for. > mainly i like to experiment with raw waves i've sampled (w30 workstation > sampler) and filter/effect them for good patches. i wish there was some > party where people could bring some gear and jam. ive seen single cell, > velocette, etc. etc. these guys are good, but there should be a spot > where it is more open. and what about females? the whole elec. music > thang is such a 'boys w/ toys' gig. too bad. > some of these synths are really good for percussive sounds too... just > adjust the sliders - > >-- End of excerpt from Kevin Keiper jessica wing (www.cyborganic.com/People/jessica) is one third of the current synth lineup of weird blinking lights. i have a jupiter4. i wish i had the SPACE for a jupiter8, or the means to buy the super-jupiter (rackmount!) that i know of for sale. but alas, i have more gear than i know what to do with at the moment... oh the jupiter4 does great percussiveness, especially with the arpeggiator. emusic jamming is an interesting idea, but tough. logistics, power, sound and SYNC SYNC SYNC. not to mention the oft not-so- pleasant cacophony that would likely develop... -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 03:32:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA21189; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:32:37 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA21182; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:32:35 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA21475; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:35:14 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601100335.ZM21473@tempest.organic.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 03:35:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: Tenderloin Waxx "Re: Like I said, I wanna rock right now," (Jan 9, 7:49pm) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Tenderloin Waxx , SDream Subject: Re: Like I said, I wanna rock right now, Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk all i want to reiterate is that willie brown owes a whole lot to business interests. now terrence! *there's* a man i love! On Jan 9, 7:49pm, Tenderloin Waxx wrote: > Subject: Re: Like I said, I wanna rock right now, > > Other than putting a better mix of people into government positions, I > > really don't anticipate anything good from Willie. He's the ultimate career > > politician -- and that's a scarey thought, cause career politicians are in > > it primarily for themselves, and that's all. I'm not knockin' him, I'm just > > not rooting for him either. I always felt that, while Jordan was, as you > > put it, *boring*, he seemed to really care about the city and it's welfare. > ------------------------------ > > I'm really glad Willie beat Jordan, as I disagree with you completely on the > issue of Jordan caring for the city; people who care about the city don't > hand it over to downtown big corporate business and organize things like the > 1989 Castro St. sweep... these are things that Jordan did. > > 1 Of my fears with Willie is that while I doubt he's the type to organize > a crime like the Castro St. sweep, he might just turn the city over to the > corporate elite because some of the serious heavies are clients of his. > > > 'Course, you may be right. Ole Willie may rock the house. It will > > certainly be better for all of us on this list if he can loosen up things > > for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... > -------------------------- > > My Wessonality meter is keyed primarily on to issues: > > 1. getting municipal power in SF and bagging P.G.&E. > > 2. disallowing the sale of Viacom cable to TCI Communications, > and forcing Viacom to comply with the current contracts they've > signed, but are defaulting on several of the requirements. > > These two issues alone would make so much money for San Francisco that > if he gets these both done, I'll be truly impressed and will sing his > praises for days, possibly longer. > > More importantly, there are legal realities about both of these two > issues that mandate municipal power and Viacom living up to existing > contracts but the scum of city hall (currently, Jordan and Smith) have > apparently been paid off by campaign contributions or some other less > obvious manner of payment, and have decided to ignore the fact that > municipal power in San Francisco is mandated by the Raker Act (is > that the correct act?) and that Viacom has failed to honor terms of > their contract... probably, aside from the corruptive influences, an > easy pair of cases. Aside from the corruptive influences, that is. > > That's how I'll be judging both Willie and Terence, so with that in mind, > I'd like to say... > > Go Willie! > > Go Terence! > > And P.G.&E. and Viacom... get the fuck out of San Francisco, already! > > Damn! > >-- End of excerpt from Tenderloin Waxx -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban splitting lanes on the information superhighway From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 04:39:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA29804; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:39:42 -0800 Received: from netcom13.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA29799; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:39:40 -0800 Received: by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id EAA17774; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:39:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:39:16 -0800 (PST) From: NEGATiVE UToPiA Subject: Re: Like I said.... To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601092113.NAA00676@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, SDream wrote: > >As I said before the coronation of our great king, Willie L. Brown Jr., > >San Francisco, CA. will NEVER be the same. Not optimism, fact: > > That's like saying, the Enola Gay just took off for Japan! Nagasaki will > never be the same! Boy that city has been BORING, but it's going to get > REAL exciting in a few hours!! > > >hahahahahahahahahaha! Da Mayor, hahahahahahaha! > > Other than putting a better mix of people into government positions, I > really don't anticipate anything good from Willie. He's the ultimate career > politician -- and that's a scarey thought, cause career politicians are in > it primarily for themselves, and that's all. I'm not knockin' him, I'm just > not rooting for him either. I always felt that, while Jordan was, as you > put it, *boring*, he seemed to really care about the city and it's welfare. > I don't get those vibes from Willie, y'know? This guy is more concerned > about his image and power than anything else. > > 'Course, you may be right. Ole Willie may rock the house. It will > certainly be better for all of us on this list if he can loosen up things > for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... > > T well, i've kept my mouth shut for long enough...to see how people feel about Will being mayor... anyway, as working for UPS and being the Teamster that Iam, I had the chance to go to a little gathering to hear democratic politions speak. One of them happened to be Willie. First off, let me say that the guy should have been a Snake Oil Sellsman. or else he should be in Maryland selling snow...the guy can talk and get you to love him... Second, he doesnt care about SF what so ever. he gave a speach for Local 70 and said what his plans are...to become mayor and then use that as a stepping stone for governor. Will might know how to have fun, but for SF becoming better, that will never happen. yes there might be more raves happening, but then again, i wouldnt hold my breath. i think if i heard on the news correctly that there is a Chinese police chief. (if im wrong, tell me, not flame me ;) do you really think that a Chinese police chief is gonna say "hey, you wanna have yer parties where people do drugs and problems could arise??? GO FOR IT!!!" i think not. Jordan might have As SDream said, "Jordan might have been a bore," but he wasnt a liar that Will is. Jordan told you what his plans are. Will didnt happen to mention in any speach that he gave to the SFers that if the city goes to hell, it goes to hell, oh well. just something i thought i had to say....sorry. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 04:57:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA01190; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:57:34 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA01180; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:57:31 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id EAA08198; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:57:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 04:57:09 -0800 (PST) From: NEGATiVE UToPiA Subject: Re: Like I said.... To: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, NEGATiVE UToPiA wrote: > problems could arise??? GO FOR IT!!!" i think not. Jordan might have ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oops! sorry, that was a typo. please disregard. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 07:11:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA07851; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:11:49 -0800 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA07845; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:11:47 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA21862; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:11:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 07:11:21 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: NEGATiVE UToPiA From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: Like I said.... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You know, I thought this list was all about being above the fray of some of humanities common failings, like racism. Like I have said, rave and the people in it, often mimick reality. And maybe negative should check his!... >well, i've kept my mouth shut for long enough...to see how people feel >about Will being mayor... > Man, from what you say later on in this post, it was better that you kept your mouth shut.... >anyway, as working for UPS and being the Teamster that Iam, I had the >chance to go to a little gathering to hear democratic politions speak. >One of them happened to be Willie. > >First off, let me say that the guy should have been a Snake Oil Sellsman. >or else he should be in Maryland selling snow...the guy can talk and get >you to love him... > >Second, he doesnt care about SF what so ever. he gave a speach for Local >70 and said what his plans are...to become mayor and then use that as a >stepping stone for governor. Will might know how to have fun, but for SF >becoming better, that will never happen. yes there might be more raves >happening, but then again, i wouldnt hold my breath. i think if i heard >on the news correctly that there is a Chinese police chief. (if im wrong, >tell me, not flame me ;) do you really think that a Chinese police chief >is gonna say "hey, you wanna have yer parties where people do drugs and >problems could arise??? GO FOR IT!!!" i think not. Jordan might have What in the HELL is with this racism. This is plain onld bullshit and doesn't deserve even my slightest wrath. But, I'll make an exception for racist bigots like you and correct you here and now. First off genius, the Police Chief's boss is Da Mayor, if you understood the power strcuture of this city, this would be obvious to you as your racism. Next, you have a left wing DA who wants to reign in the police. Thrid you have an African American Lesbian as the chair of the police oversight comission. As of Da Mayors coronation the other day, the police will be reigned in, or one would suppose so with the current power structure in place as it stands today. The REASON the cops went on a rampage was that they had the full sympathy AND support of Jordan who was a Police Cheif himslef, and since you know little about this, the tone is set at the top. The cops acted the way they did becasue the Mayor, your Frank Jordan, was more than willing to allow these tyransgressions to occur, and turned a deaf ear when anyone complained about them. Thus the flurry of court action now pending against SFPD. No, I'm afraid that things will probably change for the better, Asian Police Chief or not. His race has NOTHING to do with it. He takes orders from the top, Da MAyor is his boss, and HE sets the tone for police conduct through HIS inaction or action. Willie has also said that he plans to reign in the cops. Your racist attitudes toward Asians is probably indicative of other racism as well. I am sure it is seeping into your views of the first African-Americqan Mayor of SF. No bother, Jordan lost, his days are over, now we have someone who can get things done, vs someone who is honestly inept and ran this city into the ground. I would strongly suggest that you check your racism, the shit has no place here. And SDream doesn't live in SF anyway. Do you? > >As SDream said, "Jordan might have been a bore," but he wasnt a liar that >Will is. Jordan told you what his plans are. Will didnt happen to mention >in any speach that he gave to the SFers that if the city goes to hell, it >goes to hell, oh well. > >just something i thought i had to say....sorry. > > Shoulda checked your racism homey, you didn't have to say that. I feel very sorry for humanity when people like yourself pop up and start spouting a bunch of racist shit. It really makes my heart sink. No bother, brother Willie is in office, got a nice Asian Brother as Police Chief, got a fine African-American as Fire Chief, got a nice African-American Lesbian sister as police oversight. I feel safer already! I also feel as though we have the greatest potential for change now that all the old white guard is out of friggin' office. Now maybe city hall will start to resemble The City, not just downtown. If you were watching the coronation the other day, and saw the sea of color, you would know humdreds of thousands feel as I do, and thus Da Mayor is now running the show. You can leave now. Out, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 09:50:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA21218; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:50:49 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA21168; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:50:44 -0800 Received: from default (ppp416.liberty.com [206.17.67.112]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA32481 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:50:32 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960110175045.00680b04@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 09:50:45 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: MOS EISLEY, Had Fun, But Get This Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; I went out with a friend to MOS EISLEY lastnight, had a blast dancing to Marcos Lopez & some hard German Techno. Ended up back at Peter of Kode IV's house, very interesting person. I felt so bad, I listen to a lot of his/their stuff, and didn't even know who I was sitting next to on the sofa. God, I thought those dudes would be like hangin out in Goa or someother techno exotic place in da world, other than SF. Killer night for sure. PEacE, LovE, P^3 From Across CyberspacE a.k.a Brian DarknEs^2 VoicE & Fax: @510-595-7988 Toll FrEE NationwidE PagEr & VoicEmail: @800-590-4993 DivErsity Is The Most Basic Of Human NaturEs GivE ME LibErty, Or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority You Shouldn't HavE To HavE A PErmit To Throw A Party Ralph NadEr For PrEsidEnt In 1996 (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 10:02:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA22117; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:02:34 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA22106; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:02:26 -0800 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id KAA27562; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:01:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: NEGATiVE UToPiA Subject: Re: Like I said.... To: "John S. Lee" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > You know, I thought this list was all about being above the fray of some of > humanities common failings, like racism. Like I have said, rave and the > people in it, often mimick reality. And maybe negative should check > his!... > > >well, i've kept my mouth shut for long enough...to see how people feel > >about Will being mayor... > > > > Man, from what you say later on in this post, it was better that you kept > your mouth shut.... gee, thanks for the insult, i'll be sure and be kind to you aswell. > >anyway, as working for UPS and being the Teamster that Iam, I had the > >chance to go to a little gathering to hear democratic politions speak. > >One of them happened to be Willie. > > > >First off, let me say that the guy should have been a Snake Oil Sellsman. > >or else he should be in Maryland selling snow...the guy can talk and get > >you to love him... > > > >Second, he doesnt care about SF what so ever. he gave a speach for Local > >70 and said what his plans are...to become mayor and then use that as a > >stepping stone for governor. Will might know how to have fun, but for SF > >becoming better, that will never happen. yes there might be more raves > >happening, but then again, i wouldnt hold my breath. i think if i heard > >on the news correctly that there is a Chinese police chief. (if im wrong, > >tell me, not flame me ;) do you really think that a Chinese police chief > >is gonna say "hey, you wanna have yer parties where people do drugs and > >problems could arise??? GO FOR IT!!!" i think not. Jordan might have > > What in the HELL is with this racism. This is plain onld bullshit and > doesn't deserve even my slightest wrath. But, I'll make an exception for > racist bigots like you and correct you here and now. First off genius, the > Police Chief's boss is Da Mayor, if you understood the power strcuture of > this city, this would be obvious to you as your racism. Next, you have a > left wing DA who wants to reign in the police. Thrid you have an African > American Lesbian as the chair of the police oversight comission. As of Da > Mayors coronation the other day, the police will be reigned in, or one > would suppose so with the current power structure in place as it stands > today. You're right, that is racism, and i totally agree. but unlike you, i've learned the difference between racism and bigotry. racism is noticing a difference in race, which *everyone* does. even you my fine politically correct friend. but iam not a bigot. what i pointed out is something that i know more about than you ever will. i've been associated with asians all my life. i could tell you anything and everything you would ever want to know about asians. and what im pointing out to you is the truth, something which all liberals never want to hear because they feel that they are in the nice socialist fantasy land and never want to leave it. i dont care *who* his boss is, or *who* the DA is, its his police force, and trust me on this one, he's gonna run it how he feels is fit. > The REASON the cops went on a rampage was that they had the full sympathy > AND support of Jordan who was a Police Cheif himslef, and since you know > little about this, the tone is set at the top. The cops acted the way they > did becasue the Mayor, your Frank Jordan, was more than willing to allow > these tyransgressions to occur, and turned a deaf ear when anyone > complained about them. Thus the flurry of court action now pending against > SFPD. No, i think this has to do with the hirering practices of the SFPD. as been beaten to death on this list is good cop bad cop. every dept. has good and bad cops. you seem to enjoy the media, and the media is willing to fill you with your hearts content of how bad cops are. there is nothing mentioned in the media about good cops. and there are good cops on the SFPD force. > No, I'm afraid that things will probably change for the better, Asian > Police Chief or not. His race has NOTHING to do with it. He takes orders > from the top, Da MAyor is his boss, and HE sets the tone for police conduct > through HIS inaction or action. Willie has also said that he plans to > reign in the cops. I believe Willie about as far i can toss him. > Your racist attitudes toward Asians is probably indicative of other racism > as well. I am sure it is seeping into your views of the first > African-Americqan Mayor of SF. No bother, Jordan lost, his days are over, > now we have someone who can get things done, vs someone who is honestly > inept and ran this city into the ground. racist attitude towards asians??? are you on crack or just stupid??? wake up and learn that multiculturalism doesnt work. > I would strongly suggest that you check your racism, the shit has no place here. there we go with that racism word again... > > > >As SDream said, "Jordan might have been a bore," but he wasnt a liar that > >Will is. Jordan told you what his plans are. Will didnt happen to mention > >in any speach that he gave to the SFers that if the city goes to hell, it > >goes to hell, oh well. > > > >just something i thought i had to say....sorry. > > > > > > Shoulda checked your racism homey, you didn't have to say that. I feel > very sorry for humanity when people like yourself pop up and start spouting > a bunch of racist shit. It really makes my heart sink. No bother, brother you should check your socialism. how is what i said bad to asians? tell me. how is it? i told you the truth about asians, something you should learn. do you really think that every minority in the USA is all for this big brotherly socialism??? HA! i feel very sorry for this country when people like you cant shut up. its no wonder that we are the hell hole that we are. its no wonder that China thinks of the USA as a bunch of screaming little kids, because of people like you. face it, you're mad because i heard and pointed out something you didnt want to hear. i hurt and interuppted your fantasy land. i told you the truth. why dont you stop insulting me and start to realize that your God Willie is a liar? you dont want to admit the truth. i heard what i heard at my Union Hall. you didnt. you're mad. you're trying to go off the subject and call me a bigot. go back on the subject, or are you too hurt by what i said, that Willie doesnt give a damn about SF, its all for his own political clout. > You can leave now. so can you. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 10:48:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA25792; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:48:36 -0800 Received: from wolfe.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25786; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:48:33 -0800 Received: from [204.157.98.138] (sea-ts2-p20.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.138]) by wolfe.net (8.7.3/8.7) with SMTP id KAA11535 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:00:20 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: brianlyo@Wolfe.net (Brian Lyons) Subject: book find Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk does anyone know where I can find a book called"What kind of house party is this?" by Jonathon Fleming. It is a British book, nice and thick, full of info and pictures on intrernational dance culture. Is there a book store called Ameba(?) down there that might have it?..thanks, Brian Lyons, Seattle. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 10:56:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA26392; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:56:51 -0800 Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26384; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:56:48 -0800 Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA04007; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:56:11 -0500 Date: 10 Jan 96 13:54:18 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Like I said.... Message-ID: <960110185418_71165.755_GHL93-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Gotta put my 2cents in here --Just a comment on some judgmental perspectives here...Dudes, listen to yourselves... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 10:59:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA26563; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:59:38 -0800 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA26556; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:59:35 -0800 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id LAA21584; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:00:48 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:00:47 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Bates To: NEGATiVE UToPiA cc: "John S. Lee" , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Uh Oh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, NEGATiVE UToPiA wrote: > what i pointed out is something that > i know more about than you ever will. i've been associated with asians > all my life. i could tell you anything and everything you would ever want > to know about asians. and what im pointing out to you is the truth, Please re-read what you just typed. This is no different then Hitler telling you everything you ever wanted to know about jews, or some cop telling you what all ravers are like. -josh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 11:01:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA26963; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:01:30 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA26940; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:01:21 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA30739; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:00:35 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA29926; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:58:40 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Like I said.... To: "John S. Lee" cc: NEGATiVE UToPiA , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > You know, I thought this list was all about being above the fray of some of > humanities common failings, like racism. Like I have said, rave and the > people in it, often mimick reality. And maybe negative should check > his!... > > >well, i've kept my mouth shut for long enough...to see how people feel > >about Will being mayor... > > > > Man, from what you say later on in this post, it was better that you kept > your mouth shut.... > -->Censorship is NEVER good and neither is INTOLERANCE, two things I can't believe I'm finding on this list. -- my two bits, kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 11:16:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28021; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:16:12 -0800 Received: from mailhub.manual3.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27930; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:15:32 -0800 Received: from [206.5.32.54] by mailhub.manual3.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:16:09 +0000 X-Sender: nathan_moser@mailhub.manual3.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: nathan_moser@manual3.com (Nathan Moser) Subject: Re: synths and stuph... (korg prophecy?) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:16:09 +0000 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'll preface this by saying that I'm ABSOLUTELY NOT trying to solicit another analog vs. digital flame war. I know that analog sounds fatter, better, etc. I also know that I'm far too addicted to MIDI and sys-ex to play with CV or proprietary sequencers. If you still feel the need to dis the digitial, you can privately email me. Since everyone's offering their opinions on music hardware, I thought I'd ask if anyone's tried the new Korg Prophecy. I'm seriously considering getting one. I played with it for about an hour in a dealer showroom, which really only afforded me the chance to be blown away byits preset sounds. I didn't get a good feel for how tedious its programming interface might be. I read the Keyboard review, which pointed out a couple of bugs that occur when you try to trigger the arpegeator from external source. I'm still hyped about syncing the arpegeator to a MIDI clock, though. I'll have to push all its buttons before I decide to lay down the $1k, of course, but I was wondering what other people thought of it. It was pretty amusing to pull up presets named "Rave til Dawn" and "TB303." I guess that would be my main criticism - that it seems to be geared toward imitating past innovations rather than creating its own. It's hard to say that for sure, however, without programming a few of your own patches on the thing. -nate From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 11:19:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28326; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:19:51 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA28311; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:19:46 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id LAA13563; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:19:40 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id LAA26233; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:19:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: This weekends events To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601092318.PAA24616@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk chrysalis i think is on sat night..the 13th...im pretty sure without even knowing who is spinning that it will be a good party!!!! i might see some of you there! dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 11:22:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28531; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:22:32 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA28526; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:22:29 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id LAA14145; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:22:25 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id LAA26571; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:22:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:22:24 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: newbies! To: lanima00 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601100134.RAA10473@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk try chrysalis...sat13th...415-536-9453 dont know about the indoor or outdoor though...ask ethan dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 11:33:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA29468; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:33:42 -0800 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA29456; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:33:37 -0800 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA08821; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:33:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: NEGATiVE UToPiA Subject: Re: Uh Oh! To: Josh Bates cc: "John S. Lee" , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ahem, fine then. Because Iam Chinese... > > what i pointed out is something that > > i know more about than you ever will. i've been associated with asians > > all my life. i could tell you anything and everything you would ever want > > to know about asians. and what im pointing out to you is the truth, > > Please re-read what you just typed. This is no different then Hitler > telling you everything you ever wanted to know about jews, or some cop > telling you what all ravers are like. but you're right in the way that not all asians are alike. But the Chief of Police happens to be Chinese. Im not too far off the beam when i said that. If he was Viet he would act differntly. sorry if my statements dont suit everyones needs, but then again, you cant please everyone. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 12:05:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA02478; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:05:10 -0800 Received: from jeeves.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02472; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:05:08 -0800 Received: from duckman.usfca.edu ([138.202.32.150]) by jeeves.usfca.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23458 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:58:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:58:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199601101958.LAA23458@jeeves.usfca.edu> X-Sender: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3b4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert) Subject: Re: supposedly there's a free mayor brown party w/ food/music in SF Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > backing evidence? i was born and raised in the bay area and > santa cruz. been under willie brown all my life. the guy > is coated with teflon, nothing sticks to him. career politician, > big business interest, etc. he just happens to be a democrat. > whatever. i had to vote for him in the runoff, could never > vote for jordan. just the original post set me off. things > are not just going to get sunny again. the police will still > beat us up, business will still buy politics. some of the > old boys are out now, but they are being replaced. willie > can throw a better party, but i am not so optimistic about > life in the city getting rosy all of a sudden. That's fine. I didn't take exception to your opinion, just the fact that in your original post you didn't list any reasons at all. Jake From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 12:18:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA03629; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:18:29 -0800 Received: from lint.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA03618; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:18:25 -0800 Received: from mveloo.cisco.com ([171.68.192.181]) by lint.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id MAA28336 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:17:14 -0800 Received: by mveloo.cisco.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BADF55.A8CC85A0@mveloo.cisco.com>; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:17:50 -0800 Message-ID: <01BADF55.A8CC85A0@mveloo.cisco.com> From: Mohan Veloo To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Subject: Check out this link Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:17:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Check out this link in today's headlines on Yahoo....gave me a good chuckle... http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/960110/news/stories/lsd_1.html Peace Moo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 12:50:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA07634; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:50:31 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07626; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:50:27 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA14216; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:50:14 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA08264; Wed, 10 Jan 96 12:50:13 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04667; Wed, 10 Jan 96 12:50:12 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9601102050.AA04667@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: Uh Oh! To: madox@netcom.com (NEGATiVE UToPiA) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 12:50:12 PST Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "NEGATiVE UToPiA" at Jan 10, 96 11:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Negative Utopia: > i could tell you anything and everything you would ever want > to know about asians. OK, so you're chinese. And therefore you know that all chinese are alike. Which must mean that all chinese are like you. It must be pretty intense to be speaking for >1 billion people. But then also sad to be so lacking as an individual. So what is this "Negative Utopia" that you call yourself? Is it a psuedonym for "Chinese Person"? Oh, nevermind. Seeya on the dance floor. - leg of eel From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 13:13:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA09751; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:13:48 -0800 Received: from pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09741; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:13:43 -0800 Received: from [128.32.192.224] (ch051.Chance.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.192.224]) by pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA03523 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:13:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:13:34 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu (David Ginsberg) Subject: Da Mayor's in da house! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks John for responding! I was at MacWorld all day yesterday & didn't see this until now. My point was mainly that since the Mayor enabled commuinities to come together and throw such a party that perhaps things will change and it will be easier for THIS community to throw parties in the city as well. Whether you agree with his politics or not Black Adder, I think you'll agree this is a positive step for us, and, if we can increase our energy, a positive step for all those whose lives we touch. Perhaps we should invite Da Mayor to a party & let him see what its all about... happyinlovewithallofyou, David >> >> >> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:40:54 -0800 >> From: David Ginsberg >> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com >> Subject: Good Morning San Fransisco! >> >> Willie Brown sure knows how to throw a party! I had shrimp cocktail, asian >> food (I have no idea what it was but it sure was good!), stew, ice cream, >> watched Brazilian and Central American dancers & danced to Santana for a >> couple of magical hours. Did anyone else go (besides you Tony)? The >> Valley of the DJs was alright, though I think they could have done better >> if they'd posted a request for help to this list...hopefully this is a sign >> of brighter days to come for all of us, and through us and others the rest >> of the city! >> >> peacelovejoy, >> >> Nero fiddled while Rome burned? Perhaps a little melodramatic, I like a >> party as much as the next guy, but someone please tell me that Willie >> payed for the party out of his own campaign funds rather than tax >> dollars. Anyone know? >> >> Black Adder >> >> >The only thing that impacted the tax payers, were the extra cops >required. Everything else was DONATED by various restaurants and >eateries in the area. The local carpenters union built everything >GRATIS, everything was, from my understanding, DONATED. > >Now THAT'S slick! > >Hahahahahaha, Da Mayor! > >Should be, Da King! > >Out & :), >John ******************************************************************* David Ginsberg Student of Cognitive Science University of California at Berkeley ******************************************************************* From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 13:20:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA10210; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:20:53 -0800 Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10203; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:20:48 -0800 Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA20573; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:20:15 -0500 Date: 10 Jan 96 16:17:33 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Like I said.... Message-ID: <960110211733_71165.755_GHL33-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk oops ... lost my text in there somewhere, let's try again Gotta put my 2cents in here --Just a comment on some judgmental perspectives here...Dudes, listen to yourselves... The first person says it's racist to make negative assumptions about a Chinese police chief -- and then makes positive assumptions about Chinese, African-American, women, lesbians -- on down the line. To me, racial stereotypes are racial stereotypes, whether they're positive or negative. Let's be honest with ourselves we ALL tend to stereotype -- and maybe that's not always wrong. Certainly there are some general tendencies toward value systems and behavior patterns that occur in different societies, are there not? And those different societies are the foundations for the people that come from them. And each of us has that historical background of behaviors in one way or another. But while these racial stereotypes might work for broad sociological generalizations, or to give us a possible hint at a person's possible values or behaviors based on his or her background, they really aren't a very effective way to judge individuals, who are much more complicated than that, especially in our American culture where we have so much intermixing and exposure to multiple cultures and value systems. Can we make assumptions because a police chief is Chinese? Nope, not really. Because someone is African-American? Nope. We may have a vew likely qualities we'll find in those people, but our generalizations become pretty meaningless when we're talking about individuals -- it's when we make assumptions based on race or gender that we become racist or sexist -- and likely to be wrong. Not to mention the nasty attitudes toward each other in these messages... how about a little respect guys? If you want someone to respect your opinions, have some respect for theirs. That means taking a minute to PUT YOURSELF IN SOMEONE ELSE'S SHOES and try to see what the world looks like to them. Give them some credit for being a thinking, caring human being, and you might be able to understand their opinions a little better -- even if their viewpoint doesn't agree with yours. Who knows, your mind might be expanded a little. Isn't that the point? So peace. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 13:33:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11352; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:33:54 -0800 Received: from sierra.zyzzyva.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11163; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:33:36 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br (root@cronopio.ibase.br [200.18.178.15]) by sierra.zyzzyva.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA18789 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:33:10 -0600 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id SAA19995 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:37:59 -0200 Received: from du-41.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-41.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.41]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id SAA18887 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:37:57 -0200 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:37:57 -0200 Message-Id: <199601102037.SAA18887@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Re: Nervous White People's Music Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >" ... I don't like this stuff - it's nervous white people's music , y'know ? " > > Overheard in the men's room of the Bahia Restaurant / MAD , Jan. 8 , 1996 > > geez.. I did not get that one. Anyway, a place called Bahia should be cool. My mom is from bahia, and it is a very nice place. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 13:41:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA11917; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:41:37 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA11906; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:41:33 -0800 Received: from default (ppp404.liberty.com [206.17.67.100]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA03002 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:41:12 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960110214125.0068a2e0@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:41:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: RE: Uh Oh......... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Just a reminder from space; "Diversity is the most basic of all human natures, it is our natural essense." 31 seconds & were going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 13:48:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA12315; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:48:38 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12309; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:48:32 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA13766; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:58:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 13:58:09 -0800 (PST) To: David Ginsberg cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Da Mayor's in da house! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, David Ginsberg wrote: > Thanks John for responding! I was at MacWorld all day yesterday & didn't > see this until now. My point was mainly that since the Mayor enabled > commuinities to come together and throw such a party that perhaps things > will change and it will be easier for THIS community to throw parties in > the city as well. Whether you agree with his politics or not Black Adder, > I think you'll agree this is a positive step for us, and, if we can > increase our energy, a positive step for all those whose lives we touch. Polticians have been throwing themselves parties for a long, long time. They never have problems getting permits. But I haven't yet seen them making it easier for the general public to get permits. What reason have they had? > Perhaps we should invite Da Mayor to a party & let him see what its all about... Now there's an idea.... :) Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 14:38:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA16634; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:38:47 -0800 Received: from hamlet.uncg.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA16626; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:38:44 -0800 Received: (from whtanksl@localhost) by hamlet.uncg.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA08034; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:38:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: dj mr bill To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: NEW TAPE n' stuff... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is concerning my latest tape, "Girls Pee-Pee When They See Me"... a double-pack this time!!! DJ Mr. Bill: "Girls Pee-Pee When They See Me" Side 1: DJ Sploo: Babylon Cirrus: Superstar DJ Majick Village: Hot Me & Jack: Viva House Bobby Brown: Every Little Step (CJ Mackintosh Mixes) DJ Icee: Wassup Wassup! Charlatans: Nine Acre Dust (Chemichal Bros. Remix) Ruffneck: Everybody Be Somebody (remix) Everything But The Girl: Missing (Chris & James remix) Side 2: DJ D-Love: True Love Planet Soul: Set U Free X: Get Unconscious Beat Foundation: Save Me Future Funk: Groove Of Happiness D.N. Party: Get It On Umboza: Cry India DJ's Project: X-Calibur Icee: ZepBass Happy Clappers: I Believe Side 3: A-Men: The Countdown Pizzaman: Happiness (vers. 1) Phoenix: Here Comes Da' Drums A-Men: Can You Feel It Tilt: I Dream Evolution: Look Up To The Light Chris & James: Yin & Yang Bliss: Want More? Side 4: The Seraphim Odyssey: Feel The Pressure Twin Hype: Do It To The Crowd Vanilla Ice: Cool As Ice Onionz & Who: Unlock Your Heart DJ's Project: Clap Ya' Hands DJ Who: Pulp Fiction The Seraphim Odyssey: Bifrost Rise The Solid Collective: Can You Feel It Pizzaman: Happiness (vers. 2) I know money is tight these days, so I'm offering these either seperately (sides 1&2 OR 3&4) or as a set. The set is $15, or seperately for $8. If you only want one, please let me know which one you're interested in. These are pretty much at cost, cuz I wanna be fair to you guys. :) I know this is much less than the local stores are selling them for. If interested, send check/money order or CONCEALED cash to: DJ Mr. Bill / Bill Tanksley 336 Bellemeade, #201 Greensboro, NC 27401 ...and include return address! and again, if you've already ordered, please respond by e-mail! Take care, --mr. bill :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 14:48:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17261; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:48:06 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17256; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:48:03 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA08458 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:50:10 GMT Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA25720 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:48:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199601102248.OAA25720@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:08:33 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Da Mayor's in da house! X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> Perhaps we should invite Da Mayor to a party & let him see what its all >about... > >Now there's an idea.... :) Better yet, why don't we just agree to put up a Mayor Brown poster at the door to every rave, and instead of calling them parties when we apply for permits, call them mayoral celebrations. That way, Da Mayor (John's term) would take it personally if the cops busted the party. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 14:51:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17442; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:51:09 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17434; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:51:04 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA28495; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:50:41 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199601102250.OAA28495@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: My 1st Hotel Logon! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:50:41 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 532 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am typing this in my room at the ANA Hotel , a block away from the Moscone Center , which is presently hosting MacWorld. I am typing this on an ancient Mac Plus! Just the machine for what I'm using it for (email and simple word processing). I guess , if I'm not too tired , I'll try to check out some stuff in San Francisco tonight. I see that A.D. is still on the calendar - isn't it no longer happening? And then there's the thing with Timothy Leary that someone mentioned in a post here. Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 15:28:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20070; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:28:41 -0800 Received: from inmarkinmark.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20059; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:28:31 -0800 From: laural@inmark.com Received: (from ugate@localhost) by inmarkinmark.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id OAA17731 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:55:37 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail by ugate.inmark.com id AA821316232 Wed, 10 Jan 96 15:23:52 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 15:23:52 Message-Id: <9600108213.AA821316232@ugate.inmark.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Da Mayor's in da house! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I was reading the coverage of Da Mayor's party in the Chronicle, and it struck me that all the things that Willie said about why the party was so nice and worked so well were EXACTLY the same things we say about raves. Stuff like they're diverse, chaotic, but peaceful, and so forth. Yeah, let's invite Willie out. I think the first daytime outdoor party of spring would be good -- gorgeous weather, great music, and not quite as illicit-substance heavy as some of the nighttime ones can be. Once we get him used to the idea, then maybe we can give him and Da DA (Hallianan) a full-force taste of our psychedelic culture. And please, if anyone out there gets the urge to wear a hat (a *real* hat, like Willie's fedora), go for it! I think hats are great! The Chronicle's style editor was going on about how maybe people would start wearing hats again because the Mayor is. Yours for a more decorative city, Laura From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 15:29:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20127; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:29:15 -0800 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20118; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:29:13 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA04154; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:25:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199601102325.PAA04154@netcom6.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Like I said.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jan 96 04:39:16 PST." Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 15:24:59 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk NEGATiVE UToPiA : > i think if i heard > on the news correctly that there is a Chinese police chief. (if im wrong, > tell me, not flame me ;) do you really think that a Chinese police chief > is gonna say "hey, you wanna have yer parties where people do drugs and > problems could arise??? GO FOR IT!!!" Seems like PREJUDICE to PREJUDGE someone's disposition based on their race. I actually don't know squat about the new police chief but I don't think it's fair to bring race into the picture. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 15:33:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20499; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:33:20 -0800 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20492; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:33:17 -0800 Received: from localhost by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id PAA05261; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:32:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199601102332.PAA05261@netcom6.netcom.com> To: "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Nervous White People's Music Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 15:32:53 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira): > >geez.. I did not get that one. > >Anyway, a place called Bahia should be cool. My mom is from bahia, and it is a >very nice place. I think a posting from Brazil (.br) is pretty cool too. We need more Brazilians around to show us how to party properly. :-) Welcome to the list and all that... Is there a rave scene in Brazil?? I've seen news rports on some hip hoppy DJ-type (kinda like Brazilian Bhangra)) stuff going on in Brazil, but it didn't exactly look like a rave. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 15:58:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22551; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:58:45 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA22544; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:58:39 -0800 From: mrfrog@netcom.com Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA25375; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:11:37 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 12:11:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: NON-RAVE= ISP needed! To: lanima00 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601100138.RAA10793@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk try http://thelist.com..... it's not totally inclusive, but it helps when looking online for stuff. if not that, then Computer Currents is a good source with their tables.. call some up, see what they say.. (unlimited is a good idea, IMO) mrfrog On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, lanima00 wrote: > hello all, and thanks for reading a non-rave message. i'm shopping around > for a good isp with either an 800 or 408 number for my father, an > accountant. it needs to have the following things- > 1) full e-mail access > 2) ability to create and update a medium size www home page > 3) ppp or slip acess prefered, he doesn't have isdn or 10BaseT > > i've heard good things about many, but there's so many, i don't know where > to start. any suggestions, please let me know! > > > peace, love, and isp's- > > matt l. > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 16:18:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA24359; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:18:34 -0800 Received: from inmarkinmark.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA24354; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:18:30 -0800 From: laural@inmark.com Received: (from ugate@localhost) by inmarkinmark.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA18239 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:45:42 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail by ugate.inmark.com id AA821319246 Wed, 10 Jan 96 16:14:06 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 16:14:06 Message-Id: <9600108213.AA821319246@ugate.inmark.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: Like I said.... (Rober Lau as new Police Chief) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The new police chief, Robert Lau, is of Asian-American descent. He was born in Hawaii. According to what I read in the paper, he's well-liked and has a good reputation. He's said that his priorites are to clean up the royally messed-up 911 system (good for us when something really DOES go wrong with a member of our community), to work on discipline problems in the department (good for us when cops with bad attitudes visit a party), and to restore morale to the police force as a whole (which is said to have been damaged under Ribera, who dear old Frank appointed as the previous police chief). Maybe if the guys/gals in blue felt better about their work and were held accountable when they got out of hand in the line of duty, things would be better for the club/rave scene. The new deputy police chief, by the way, is African-American. I believe he's half of one of the most effective homicide investigation teams on the SF force. So, we've got a guy who wants to clean up bad attitudes of the force, and a guy who has really done some real work against real crimes in the city. Sounds pretty good to me. Heck, I figure it can't be any worse than it was before. Hey, it's an idea, Laura From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 16:57:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA27427; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:57:55 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA27422; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 16:57:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199601110057.QAA27422@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 16:50:25 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: thanks for the tips! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- thanks for the tips on my two request messages this week- 1) where to take two newbies for their first rave, and 2) what isp to use for my technologically inept father- thank you all for your time, and see you at chrysalis- peace, love, and more love- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier vox 415-666-5659 "Peace within us, peace over us, peace under our feet. peace behind us, peace around us, let all around us be peace." - David Haas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 18:01:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02046; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:01:34 -0800 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA02039; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:01:31 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA17420; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:58:30 -0800 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199601110158.RAA17420@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Da Mayor's in da house! To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:58:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601102248.OAA25720@shellx.best.com> from "SDream" at Jan 10, 96 03:08:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 702 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > >> Perhaps we should invite Da Mayor to a party & let him see what its all > >about... > > > >Now there's an idea.... :) > > Better yet, why don't we just agree to put up a Mayor Brown poster at the > door to every rave, and instead of calling them parties when we apply for > permits, call them mayoral celebrations. That way, Da Mayor (John's term) > would take it personally if the cops busted the party. > > S > > Da Mayor is what Willie calls himself. The night of his big win, he had a hat that read "DA MAYOR". He also pointed to it and said it. I copped the term from the man himself. But hell, I'll take the props if u give 'em. Peace, John Oh yeah :)'s too! Out. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 18:08:32 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02580; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:08:32 -0800 Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA02563; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:08:28 -0800 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA17702; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:00:19 -0800 From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Message-Id: <199601110200.SAA17702@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Like I said.... (Rober Lau as new Police Chief) To: laural@inmark.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:00:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9600108213.AA821319246@ugate.inmark.com> from "laural@inmark.com" at Jan 10, 96 04:14:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1346 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > The new police chief, Robert Lau, is of Asian-American descent. He was born in > Hawaii. > > According to what I read in the paper, he's well-liked and has a good > reputation. He's said that his priorites are to clean up the royally messed-up > 911 system (good for us when something really DOES go wrong with a member of our > community), to work on discipline problems in the department (good for us when > cops with bad attitudes visit a party), and to restore morale to the police > force as a whole (which is said to have been damaged under Ribera, who dear old > Frank appointed as the previous police chief). > > Maybe if the guys/gals in blue felt better about their work and were held > accountable when they got out of hand in the line of duty, things would be > better for the club/rave scene. > > The new deputy police chief, by the way, is African-American. I believe he's > half of one of the most effective homicide investigation teams on the SF force. > So, we've got a guy who wants to clean up bad attitudes of the force, and a guy > who has really done some real work against real crimes in the city. Sounds > pretty good to me. Heck, I figure it can't be any worse than it was before. > > Hey, it's an idea, > > Laura > Thanks for that Laura....the calm in the strom. Right on! Peace, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 18:20:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA03389; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:20:48 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA03383; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:20:44 -0800 Received: from psychoactive.com by ultima.org; Wed, 10 Jan 96 18:18 PST X-Sender: joe@mail.ultima.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:17:29 -0800 To: laural@inmark.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com From: joe@psychoactive.com (Joe Rice) Subject: Re[2]: Like I said.... (Rober Lau as new Police Chief) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 4:14 PM 1/10/96, laural@inmark.com wrote: >The new police chief, Robert Lau, is of Asian-American descent. He was >born in >Hawaii. > That's Fred Lau. Robert Lau is a raver in LA. =) Joe (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:) (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!" :) (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!" :) (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen :) (: anything like it!" :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 20:45:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA16595; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:45:56 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA16587; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:45:52 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA12372 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:45:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:45:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199601110445.UAA12372@blob.best.net> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: Live Synthing at Du Nord tonight Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Since we seem to have an emergent sfgearheadraver contingent, I thought it appropriate to remind you that tonight Cafe du Nord are hosting Single Cell Orchestra, Freezer, Mesheen with DJ BPM0 and a real didgeridoer! Have a beer or something and listen to the newest form of improvised music..$3 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 21:44:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA20383; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:44:43 -0800 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA20378; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:44:40 -0800 Received: (from keiper@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) id VAA37070; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:44:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:44:38 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Keiper To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: chrysalis? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk when is the next chrysalis party? i heard mention of it but i just want to confirm when/where etc. thank you! kevin :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 22:22:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA22118; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:22:34 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA22113; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:22:30 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA04877; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:32:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:32:22 -0800 (PST) To: Kevin Keiper cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: chrysalis? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, Kevin Keiper wrote: > when is the next chrysalis party? i heard mention of it but i just want > to confirm when/where etc. > > thank you! > kevin > :) Jan 13th. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 23:31:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA25252; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:47 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA25245; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:45 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA18529; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:10 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: NEGATiVE UToPiA From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: like I said...done wit' dis wack shit Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> You know, I thought this list was all about being above the fray of some of >> humanities common failings, like racism. Like I have said, rave and the >> people in it, often mimick reality. And maybe negative should check >> his!... >> >> >well, i've kept my mouth shut for long enough...to see how people feel >> >about Will being mayor... >> > >> >> Man, from what you say later on in this post, it was better that you kept >> your mouth shut.... >gee, thanks for the insult, i'll be sure and be kind to you aswell. > > >> >anyway, as working for UPS and being the Teamster that Iam, I had the >> >chance to go to a little gathering to hear democratic politions speak. >> >One of them happened to be Willie. >> > >> >First off, let me say that the guy should have been a Snake Oil Sellsman. >> >or else he should be in Maryland selling snow...the guy can talk and get >> >you to love him... >> > >> >Second, he doesnt care about SF what so ever. he gave a speach for Local >> >70 and said what his plans are...to become mayor and then use that as a >> >stepping stone for governor. Will might know how to have fun, but for SF >> >becoming better, that will never happen. yes there might be more raves >> >happening, but then again, i wouldnt hold my breath. i think if i heard >> >on the news correctly that there is a Chinese police chief. (if im wrong, >> >tell me, not flame me ;) do you really think that a Chinese police chief >> >is gonna say "hey, you wanna have yer parties where people do drugs and >> >problems could arise??? GO FOR IT!!!" i think not. Jordan might have >> >> What in the HELL is with this racism. This is plain onld bullshit and >> doesn't deserve even my slightest wrath. But, I'll make an exception for >> racist bigots like you and correct you here and now. First off genius, the >> Police Chief's boss is Da Mayor, if you understood the power strcuture of >> this city, this would be obvious to you as your racism. Next, you have a >> left wing DA who wants to reign in the police. Thrid you have an African >> American Lesbian as the chair of the police oversight comission. As of Da >> Mayors coronation the other day, the police will be reigned in, or one >> would suppose so with the current power structure in place as it stands >> today. >You're right, that is racism, and i totally agree. but unlike you, i've >learned the difference between racism and bigotry. racism is noticing a >difference in race, which *everyone* does. even you my fine politically >correct friend. but iam not a bigot. what i pointed out is something that >i know more about than you ever will. i've been associated with asians >all my life. i could tell you anything and everything you would ever want >to know about asians. and what im pointing out to you is the truth, >something which all liberals never want to hear because they feel that >they are in the nice socialist fantasy land and never want to leave it. >i dont care *who* his boss is, or *who* the DA is, its his police force, >and trust me on this one, he's gonna run it how he feels is fit. Whatever, we can see that you're good at ignoring reality. Oh yeah, just because you are Asian does not make you an expert on anything but your family or yourself. I was not aware that you are the spokeman for all Asians, nor was I aware that you could make a racist statement as you did being who you are. No matter, racist come in all flavors and sizes. You can even find racist against one's own race. Sometimes known as self-loathing or hatred. As for the number of Asians you or I know, you really don't know how many Asians I do know, or don't. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you know more. But that certainly does not make your comments any less racist than they were. You cast a stereotype on your own, you're still a racist. As for me being PC, you're actually bordering funny. Get your facts straight: -I voted for Jordan in '92. -I supported Jordan on the list. -I have vehemently supported the police of SF. -I have voted for a Republican every now and then. -I am far from being PC. If you knew me, which you don't, you'd know that. You were not able to adress any of the facts I presented to you in my post. Understanding power structures and understanding how they play into politics is important. You should know know that politicans, and political appointess have only one color, GREEN. > >> The REASON the cops went on a rampage was that they had the full sympathy >> AND support of Jordan who was a Police Cheif himslef, and since you know >> little about this, the tone is set at the top. The cops acted the way they >> did becasue the Mayor, your Frank Jordan, was more than willing to allow >> these tyransgressions to occur, and turned a deaf ear when anyone >> complained about them. Thus the flurry of court action now pending against >> SFPD. >No, i think this has to do with the hirering practices of the SFPD. as >been beaten to death on this list is good cop bad cop. every dept. has >good and bad cops. you seem to enjoy the media, and the media is willing >to fill you with your hearts content of how bad cops are. there is >nothing mentioned in the media about good cops. and there are good cops >on the SFPD force. Huh? Ignoring the reality that the tone is set from the top will get this conversation nowhere. Ask Daryl Gates how the top influences everything at all levels below. This is tedious. > > >> No, I'm afraid that things will probably change for the better, Asian >> Police Chief or not. His race has NOTHING to do with it. He takes orders >> from the top, Da MAyor is his boss, and HE sets the tone for police conduct >> through HIS inaction or action. Willie has also said that he plans to >> reign in the cops. > >I believe Willie about as far i can toss him. Your beliefs are based on many things, fact being vacant from any of them. Stereotypes and racism being the frontmost of what thought you have. Ignorance is the glue that binds. > > >> Your racist attitudes toward Asians is probably indicative of other racism >> as well. I am sure it is seeping into your views of the first >> African-Americqan Mayor of SF. No bother, Jordan lost, his days are over, >> now we have someone who can get things done, vs someone who is honestly >> inept and ran this city into the ground. > >racist attitude towards asians??? are you on crack or just stupid??? wake >up and learn that multiculturalism doesnt work. This is schoolyard BS. Been done by better. Next... > > >> I would strongly suggest that you check your racism, the shit has no >>place here. > >there we go with that racism word again... If the shoe fits... > >> > >> >As SDream said, "Jordan might have been a bore," but he wasnt a liar that >> >Will is. Jordan told you what his plans are. Will didnt happen to mention >> >in any speach that he gave to the SFers that if the city goes to hell, it >> >goes to hell, oh well. >> > >> >just something i thought i had to say....sorry. >> > >> > >> >> Shoulda checked your racism homey, you didn't have to say that. I feel >> very sorry for humanity when people like yourself pop up and start spouting >> a bunch of racist shit. It really makes my heart sink. No bother, brother > >you should check your socialism. how is what i said bad to asians? tell >me. how is it? i told you the truth about asians, something you should >learn. do you really think that every minority in the USA is all for this >big brotherly socialism??? HA! i feel very sorry for this country when >people like you cant shut up. its no wonder that we are the hell hole >that we are. its no wonder that China thinks of the USA as a bunch of >screaming little kids, because of people like you. As the King Of All African-Americans I declare a war. Aww forget it, I have better battles to fight than engage with the imaginary spokeperson of all Asians. I was elected by ALL African-Americans to do my job. Were you? YOU belong to a union. Talk about socialist (I'll stop soon, but shooting apples in a barrel IS real fun. This guy is way to easy a target. It'll be over soon, I promise ;) ). > > > >face it, you're mad because i heard and pointed out something you didnt >want to hear. i hurt and interuppted your fantasy land. i told you the >truth. why dont you stop insulting me and start to realize that your God >Willie is a liar? you dont want to admit the truth. i heard what i heard >at my Union Hall. you didnt. you're mad. you're trying to go off the >subject and call me a bigot. go back on the subject, or are you too >hurt by what i said, that Willie doesnt give a damn about SF, its all for >his own political clout. > > >> You can leave now. > so can you. Oh no, I plan on being here fighting the good fight in the name of ALL African-Americans, who by secret ballot, elected me as thier King. Being a King requires that I ignore those of a lower station, like yourself, and keep myself above the fray of the common folk. With that said, I am glad that you have exposed a great truth: You are misinformed, bigoted, AND racist. I would strongly suggest to my Asian brethern who MAY have elected you, that they reconsider their choice in representation, and send you back to your home, where you can consider your thoughts over warm beer and The Newt Gingrich Christmas Show. You can stay now. I've re-instated your priveledges so that ye might learn. Later 0n d00d, John P.S. "Can we all just get along?" - Rodney King after suffering brain damage at the hands of Daryl Gates' finest. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 23:31:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA25273; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:58 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA25263; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:55 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA18558; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:27 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: KaySEE From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: Like I said.... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Wed, 10 Jan 1996, John S. Lee wrote: > >> You know, I thought this list was all about being above the fray of some of >> humanities common failings, like racism. Like I have said, rave and the >> people in it, often mimick reality. And maybe negative should check >> his!... >> >> >well, i've kept my mouth shut for long enough...to see how people feel >> >about Will being mayor... >> > >> >> Man, from what you say later on in this post, it was better that you kept >> your mouth shut.... >> >-->Censorship is NEVER good and neither is INTOLERANCE, two things I >can't believe I'm finding on this list. >-- >my two bits, >kc We mimick reality. I am very intolrant of bigotry and racism. Always will be. Out, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Wed Jan 10 23:32:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA25320; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:32:10 -0800 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA25313; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:32:07 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA18574; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 23:31:33 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Re: Like I said.... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >oops ... lost my text in there somewhere, let's try again > >Gotta put my 2cents in here --Just a comment on some judgmental perspectives >here...Dudes, listen to yourselves... > >The first person says it's racist to make negative assumptions about a Chinese >police chief -- and then makes positive assumptions about Chinese, >African-American, women, lesbians -- on down the line. To me, racial >stereotypes >are racial stereotypes, whether they're positive or negative. > >Let's be honest with ourselves we ALL tend to stereotype -- and maybe >that's not >always wrong. Certainly there are some general tendencies toward value systems >and behavior patterns that occur in different societies, are there not? And >those different societies are the foundations for the people that come from >them. And each of us has that historical background of behaviors in one way or >another. > >But while these racial stereotypes might work for broad sociological >generalizations, or to give us a possible hint at a person's possible values or >behaviors based on his or her background, they really aren't a very effective >way to judge individuals, who are much more complicated than that, >especially in >our American culture where we have so much intermixing and exposure to multiple >cultures and value systems. > >Can we make assumptions because a police chief is Chinese? Nope, not really. >Because someone is African-American? Nope. We may have a vew likely qualities >we'll find in those people, but our generalizations become pretty meaningless >when we're talking about individuals -- it's when we make assumptions based on >race or gender that we become racist or sexist -- and likely to be wrong. > >Not to mention the nasty attitudes toward each other in these messages... how >about a little respect guys? If you want someone to respect your >opinions, have >some respect for theirs. That means taking a minute to PUT YOURSELF IN SOMEONE >ELSE'S SHOES and try to see what the world looks like to them. Give them some >credit for being a thinking, caring human being, and you might be able to >understand their opinions a little better -- even if their viewpoint doesn't >agree with yours. Who knows, your mind might be expanded a little. Isn't that >the point? > >So peace. Another voice of reason. I now wish I was a bit calmer about my response to NU. Oh well, we can't win 'em all. Great post. Got the message. Peace, John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 03:04:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA14235; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:12 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA14229; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:10 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.226] (sr-tty16-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.226]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA29012; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199601111104.DAA29012@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:09:29 +1000 To: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Like I said.... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >SF need someone who can move the board of supes, Willie will be the man. I have great expectations!! Lookin forward to some of his changes. John, do you have an insight of the kinds of changes we can expect? Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 03:04:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA14251; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:15 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA14244; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:13 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.226] (sr-tty16-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.226]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA29022; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199601111104.DAA29022@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:09:33 +1000 To: "Fred Heutte" From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: MacWorld Events? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hmm, what's this "ZD/Yahoo Techno Rave" thing, sounds dangerous :) > >phred I went to it... DJ's sucked, but played a huge variaty of music from Grateful dead, hip hop, techno, disco. No beat mixing of course, at first, people just schmoosing around, then towards the end, everyone went berserk on the dance floor. People were trying to throw those little "Glo loops" up onto the arms and legs of "Angels" hanging from the ceiling. Met the Yahoo people, very interesting, they were quite intregued in meeting me. Met a lot of the girls I know from my earlier MacWorld encounters, and of course all the "Mac weenies". Saw some pretty awsome shit, especially "Roastery" a new Hot Java language for the Mac (Yay!! - Not under license from Sun). Tommorrow night, I'll be at the "Be-in" and if I can scarf up an invite, I'll try to make the Exploratorium thingie, but I'll prolly keep my brain entertained at the Be-In all night. Don't know if I want to spend a whoppin $35 for the "Queers" thingie on Sat night. I sure hope there will be something better this Sat. Nothing in the Calander yet.. I went to a "Digital Queers" party 2 years ago, then it was $25 and thats when Robin Williams talked. He was funny, cracking gay related jokes and such. Music then Sucked... DJ was really bad... no beat mixing, lots of annoying breaks in the music. You'd think that after paying so much for a party (That ends at 3 am) you would at least get a good DJ line up. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 03:04:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA14266; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:20 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA14261; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:18 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.226] (sr-tty16-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.226]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA29047; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199601111104.DAA29047@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:09:37 +1000 To: Dimitri K Gortinsky From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: newbies! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >try chrysalis...sat13th...415-536-9453 >dont know about the indoor or outdoor though...ask ethan >dimitri Oh goody!! I didn't want to go to that "Price inflated queers thingie" anyway. Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was bad... Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 03:04:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id DAA14293; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:25 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA14276; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:21 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.226] (sr-tty16-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.226]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA29071; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:04:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199601111104.DAA29071@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 03:09:41 +1000 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Da Mayor's in da house! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Better yet, why don't we just agree to put up a Mayor Brown poster at the >door to every rave, and instead of calling them parties when we apply for >permits, call them mayoral celebrations. That way, Da Mayor (John's term) >would take it personally if the cops busted the party. Great idea!!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 08:38:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA05570; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:38:54 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA05563; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:38:50 -0800 Received: from DialupEudora by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id IAA08787; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:38:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 08:38:24 -0800 X-Sender: jsl@localhost Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: jsl@netcom.com (John S. Lee) Subject: Reference list for newbies Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have been called many things in my life, but this past flurry has left me rather puzzled with some of the latest words used to describe me: PC, liberal, reactionary, censor... Gawd the list does go on. What bothers me is that there is really no sense of history. If there were, certainly I would not be called these things. In brief, I want people to AT LEAST be correct if your gonna label me something, so I'm providing a list of words I think best describe me, with reasons that they do/don't apply: PC - Doesn't apply. Please remember, during the Gulf War (yes it HAS been that long folx), I called for the US to act like the Great Roman Empire and be the policeman to the world. Charge for services rendered military or otherwise (I have a fascination with Rome and all her 600+ year glory). Not exactly all warm and fuzzy as you thought. I also voted for Jordan in '92, had breakfast with Jeb Bush (he is an associate), and hung around some of the most redneck politicians in Florida for months on end (required for being a congressional page in my home state of Florida). Machiavelli is good reading. So is Sun Tzu. Liberal - Doesn't apply. No politcal label applies. I am an extreme wishy washy moderate. I've voted for Repubs, Demos, Peace & Freedom, LaRouheites, you name it, I've voted for it. I just plain love to vote! Censor - Doesn't apply. I am the one who declared that parties are far from being hedonistic enough for my tastes. I have also tried to get people to act politically, challenging the structure of SF, through voting, to make the city more open and receptive to us, the dance culture community. Couldn't do that being a censor. Why would I want to censor my constituents, crackerjacks? I have also defending the rights of the stinky to smell, or not smell as the case may be. Racist - Impossible. A non-livable solution. Even I do not use this word lightly. I always challenge racist thought and deeds. If it can be spoken, it can be challenged. If anything can be acted out, then it can be stamped out (BTW - Lynchings have occurred in THIS country in '95. We ain't all that, all the time...). Nope, no time to hate, some things are not worth having around. Racism is regressive. I believe in progress. Keep it above ground, so it's easier to dismantle and destroy. Always take strong action against racism, it's the only way to eliminate it (if it survives, the human race, in the long term, cannot). Besides, my family structure doesn't allow for much room here (GeoffW, can I get a witness?) so. Some Recommended Terms - Sanctioned, by the King, for use by you and yours: Reactionary - Always. Push any one of my buttons and I explode (some would say vomit or shit, but you get the point). Hot Headed - Does apply. But at least I've enrolled in a 12 step program to correct the problem. Hey, I'm much better than I was a couple of years ago, read the archives and see. In 2 more years, I'll be completely cured, completely happy, and completely plain. Stubborn - Does apply. Let's face it, when you're the King Of All African-Americans, after a while the position gets to you and you think compromise is below your station. But let it be said now, that as King, I have been wrong on more than one occasion. That's all you get. Wrong - Who isn't? I have been wrong on occasion, even on two occasions. Even I am not spared from making mistakes. It's rare, but it does happen. Well Informed - Yes, and you? Asshole - Like you, I have one. Yep, that covers it. Please add more and mail me with a revised list if you wish. Winner will be drawn at random, prizes to be announced later. One other thing: I have really gone off on a minority here on the list of late, and in the interest of peace I want to extend my hand (only) of friendship to the well-smell imparied. I think that the stinky, the funky ones, you know, the ones who have the "funk of 10,000 years" have a right to be as stinky as they want to be. I would almost die defending their right (in as much as I would die smelling them). I have never, and will never ask promoters to ban the stinky. Instead I have offered my own brand of help. You see, it's all about inclusion, even with those who you disagree with on the olfactory tip. I am all about euqal rights for everyone; from the well heeled to the well crusted. A censor I could never be! Let us ALL dance in peace. Ok, I've had my fun. Apple gave me the day off to go to MacWorld and listen, first hand, to the rumor mill gone amuck. Will enjoy myself there today, maybe even make a purchase or two. Go to Cha, Cha, Cha's for lunch, then head home for drinking fun. Oh, my terrbile work week (actually had to put in a solid 12 yesterday, yuch!). So, maybe I'll see some of you there. I will be the black guy walking around. You can't miss me ;). Peace out & :), John From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 10:03:44 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA12609; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:03:44 -0800 Received: from viola.rs.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA12502; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:02:05 -0800 Received: from mars.rs.com by viola.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24257; Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:01:06 PST Received: by rs.com (Sun-4.1) id AA24257; Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:01:06 PST Received: by mars.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16581; Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:01:05 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:01:05 PST From: george@rs.com (George Feil) Message-Id: <9601111801.AA16581@mars.rs.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, laural@inmark.com Subject: Re: Da Mayor's in da house! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > And please, if anyone out there gets the urge to wear a hat (a *real* > hat, like Willie's fedora), go for it! I think hats are great! The > Chronicle's style editor was going on about how maybe people would > start wearing hats again because the Mayor is. > > Yours for a more decorative city, > > Laura > Seeing all those pictures of Willie wearing a fedora really struck a chord in me. My grandfather wore a fedora all the time. I've got a Flechet in my closet. I think it's about time to dust it off for my next outing... Peace & Love, George From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 10:15:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA13467; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:15:04 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA13456; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:15:01 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id KAA21814; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:14:58 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id KAA28959; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:14:56 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: chrysalis? To: Kevin Keiper cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this sat night...the 13th! dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 10:23:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA14349; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:23:07 -0800 Received: from igate1.hac.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA14326; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:22:59 -0800 From: SCRUTON@JOYCE.dnet.hac.com Received: from eden.hac.com by igate1.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14418; Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:20:09 PST Received: from DECNET-MAIL (SCRUTON@JOYCE) by EDEN.HAC.COM (PMDF V4.3-7 #5884) id <01HZVPQ34UDC00J0PC@EDEN.HAC.COM>; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:22:23 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:22:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: racism vs faux-paus (nonnnnnraverelated) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <01HZVPQ3ER8I00J0PC@EDEN.HAC.COM> X-Vms-To: EDEN::IN%"sfraves@hyperreal.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey folx, just 'cause someone makes what one or more members of the list mite consider a racist remark does NOT mean they are necessarily a racist; don't forget we all say the wrong thing sometimes, and namecalling isn't always a productive solution seeya! (gawd i wish i could go to the be-in!) Dave Scruton in lalaland From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 10:30:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15037; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:30:50 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15005; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:30:41 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id KAA25168; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:30:35 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id KAA00169; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:30:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:30:33 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: newbies! To: John Draper cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601111104.DAA29047@well.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk are you talking about spundae? please dont use derrodatory (got a fucked up key pad) derrogatory terms when you are refering to gays and lesbians..they have every right to have a club for themselves or at least a place where they are safe and can dance. yes maybe the price is steep but look back at history and think of all the clubs which guided house to where it is now and see how many of them are primarily gay/lesbian clubs.... excuse my ranting... dimitri On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, John Draper wrote: > >try chrysalis...sat13th...415-536-9453 > >dont know about the indoor or outdoor though...ask ethan > >dimitri > > Oh goody!! I didn't want to go to that "Price inflated queers > thingie" anyway. > > Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was > bad... > > Crunchman > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 10:33:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA15286; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:33:10 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA15232; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:32:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199601111832.KAA15232@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 96 10:25:13 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: ah, have i missed something recently? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i've been gone for christmas break, and just recently got my e-mail acess back. i was looking foreward to coming back to this list, but with the flood of bickering, i'm not so sure. might i make a suggestion- 1) when a discussion seems to be involving only 2 or 3 people, why don't you take it private to spare the multitudes who have demonstrated that they are no longer interested? i have been involved in 1 or 2 arguements over sfraves and have been slammed for keeping private business public. i promisee, if i want to be involved in a discussion, i will jump in quickly, and not after the re: re: re: re: train fills the subject description of the message. 2) let us remember about infighting within a group. people are frightened of raves, ravers, and what we do through media mis-information, closed-mindedness, whatever. as a group that has a tendency to do illegal things every once-in-a-while, we must stand much more united that we appear. if we are not united, we will fall under the pressure of fear, police, laws, and all the other things that stand in the way of a good rave. i am losing faith that some of the people on this list would be nice to each other if they met on a dance floor. thanks for listening to my ramblings, and even if i have not met you, CONSIDER YOURSELF HUGGED AT THIS VERY MOMENT! peace, love, and hugs- matt l. "there must be peace within us before there will be peace anywhere else." me, -1996 matthew d. p. k. lanier vox 415-666-5659 "Peace within us, peace over us, peace under our feet. peace behind us, peace around us, let all around us be peace." - David Haas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 10:59:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA17702; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:59:55 -0800 Received: from mom.hooked.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17660; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:59:48 -0800 Received: from admin (bass-51.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.115]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA23031 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:59:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199601111859.KAA23031@mom.hooked.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Christopher Silveira" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:59:48 +0000 Subject: Re: ah, have i missed something recently? Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What a concept! That is a breath of fresh aire right where it is needed! :) Luv to all! ========================================================= Christopher Silveira aka eric longfellow (the lost dj) csil@hooked.net http://www.hooked.net/users/csil "Junior Dragon" -=(UDIC)=- ========================================================= From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 11:00:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA17928; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:00:20 -0800 Received: from lint.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA17797; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:00:05 -0800 Received: from mveloo.cisco.com ([171.68.192.181]) by lint.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id KAA25024 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:59:03 -0800 Received: by mveloo.cisco.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE013.E68E5D00@mveloo.cisco.com>; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:59:38 -0800 Message-ID: <01BAE013.E68E5D00@mveloo.cisco.com> From: Mohan Veloo To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" Subject: Super DJ Dmitry (Dee-Lite..) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 10:59:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just checked out hyperreal and he's spinning BOTH on Saturday and = Sunday. The last time I saw him spin was during 'Desert Moves' in Vegas = some months back and his set blew me away... looks like I know where I'm = gonna be this weekend! ;) peace Mohan.. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 11:26:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA19788; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:26:12 -0800 Received: from dub-img-5.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA19781; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:26:08 -0800 Received: by dub-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA29339; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:25:36 -0500 Date: 11 Jan 96 14:24:28 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Hat Talk Message-ID: <960111192428_71165.755_GHL53-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Responding to hat talk: > And please, if anyone out there gets the urge to wear a hat (a > *real* hat, like Willie's fedora), go for it! I think hats are > great! The Chronicle's style editor was going on about how maybe > people would start wearing hats again because the Mayor is. > > Yours for a more decorative city, > > Laura > > Seeing all those pictures of Willie wearing a fedora really > struck a chord in me. My grandfather wore a fedora all the time. > I've got a Flechet in my closet. I think it's about time to dust > it off for my next outing... > Peace & Love, > George Hats are the greatest way to express yourself (next to dancing, of course) -- People call me the hat woman because I collect vintage and odd hats and wear them as often as possible. So I look forward to seeing more great hats out there at parties and on the street -- and look for me - my latest is a crazy wedding-cake looking affair of pink tulle and white flowers circa 1962 that I'll most likely wear to Chrysalis Saturday, and I'll have my leopard top-hat on tonight at the Digital Be-in (a MacWorld event) -- so express yo-self.... da dada dada .... and if Willie Browninspires more people to put their self-expressions on their heads... thank you willie! *=];) (ooo does it look like a firecracker hat?) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 11:30:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA20158; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:30:45 -0800 Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA20149; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:30:41 -0800 Received: by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA09380; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:30:08 -0500 Date: 11 Jan 96 14:28:46 EST From: mac <70730.2126@compuserve.com> To: sfraves Cc: john lee Subject: like I sed, tb303,list for newbies etc Message-ID: <960111192846_70730.2126_CHK89-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk John S Lee sed : >I have been called many things in my life, how about verbose :) John u need to take a nap, man. Go lie down and have a rest... or drink a beer. or check out some bras and booty somewhere :)... but take a break... hugz :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 12:12:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA23767; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:12:25 -0800 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA23755; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:12:20 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA27007; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:25:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 11:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: Cami Edwards Subject: Re: Like I said.... To: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" In-Reply-To: <960110211733_71165.755_GHL33-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On 10 Jan 1996, Leslie Ayres wrote: > The first person says it's racist to make negative assumptions about a Chinese > police chief -- and then makes positive assumptions about Chinese, > African-American, women, lesbians -- on down the line. To me, racial stereotypes > are racial stereotypes, whether they're positive or negative. > > Can we make assumptions because a police chief is Chinese? Nope, not really. > Because someone is African-American? Nope. We may have a vew likely qualities > we'll find in those people, but our generalizations become pretty meaningless > when we're talking about individuals -- it's when we make assumptions based on > race or gender that we become racist or sexist -- and likely to be wrong. I agree here. But, I think even though we cannot make assumptions about someone because of their race, it is still cool that these people of color were appointed. I have no way of really knowing, but maybe they are the best peeps for their respective jobs. Maybe previously they never could have a chance to prove it, because of their ethnicities and the prejudices of those in positions to appoint them. > Not to mention the nasty attitudes toward each other in these messages... how > about a little respect guys? If you want someone to respect your opinions, have > some respect for theirs. That means taking a minute to PUT YOURSELF IN SOMEONE > ELSE'S SHOES and try to see what the world looks like to them. Give them some > credit for being a thinking, caring human being, and you might be able to > understand their opinions a little better -- even if their viewpoint doesn't > agree with yours. Who knows, your mind might be expanded a little. Isn't that > the point? Right on, I know that there are many many more people on this list who are not the core posters (not things you hang:). I wonder how many of them are intimidated to post because of the intolerance that is sometimes (not too frequently) shown on this list. > So peace. > Cheers*** Cami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 12:49:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA28528; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:49:55 -0800 Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28441; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:48:54 -0800 Received: from by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA03887; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:47:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:47:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199601112047.MAA03887@ix11.ix.netcom.com> From: sunboy@ix.netcom.com (Matthew P. Korich ) Subject: Chrysalis Sat night! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This Sat. January 13th Gateway Systems presents Chrysalis! The Lineup includes - John Carel, Alex, Joel, Solar, Andre Lucero, and a live performance by Freaky Chakra! Ambient guidance by Consciousness Lab, Minor Minor, Jason, and Rob! We will be serving an Ambient Breakfast with orange juice, apple juice, muffins, etc. We hope to see your smiling faces! Feel it - Love! -Gateway Claire Korich / sunboy@ix.netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 13:03:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA00222; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:03:42 -0800 Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA00208; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:03:37 -0800 Received: from by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA06079; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:02:51 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:02:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199601112102.NAA06079@ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: sunboy@ix.netcom.com (Matthew P. Korich ) Subject: Missing Chrysalis info To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry all, I forgot to put our voicemail #415.536.9453. on the last post. Oh ya, tickets are on Sale for $12 at F-8 at 1816 Haight St. Thank you! Feel it - Love! Claire / sunboy@ix.netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 13:34:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA02468; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:34:42 -0800 Received: from thestranger.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02448; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:34:22 -0800 Received: from [199.238.224.10] by thestranger.com with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc6); Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:35:54 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:32:25 -0700 To: Cami Edwards , Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> From: tigger@thestranger.com (Glenn) Subject: ...because of the intolerance... Cc: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 11:25 AM 1/11/96, Cami Edwards wrote: >Right on, I know that there are many many more people on this list who >are not the core posters (not things you hang:). I wonder how many of >them are intimidated to post because of the intolerance that is >sometimes (not too frequently) shown on this list. I'm not so much intimidated as I am saddened by the fact that people have more of a tendency to be reactionary as opposed to responsive to postings. Communication is communication whether you are talking via email or one-on-one in the chill lounge or dance floor. A thought expressed either through the gesture of a hand movement when one is dancing in a trance or through the output of a keyboard carries the same energy and impact. We, who have the ability to define our reality through language and action need to be conscious of that fact. Our generation, our culture, is re-awakening to the reality that we exist in a multi-dimentional universe. One of the most important gifts bestowed upon us is the ability to communicate. In order to make the most of our existence, I feel that we must also be able to communicate and contemplate in a multi-dimensional mode, translating that non-linear reality to present time and space in a way conducive to understanding by those who share the present time and space. We must break away from our linear, industrialized, conditioning patterns, in order to proceed to a reality that is conducive to our evolution. It could not hurt any of us if we all took a bit more time to ponder the concepts and challenges put before us, to look at such things with the care, decency and dignity that the persons those ideas came from deserves. Ultimately, those very same ideas and that very same person is but a reflection of ourselves. With love at the speed of light, Tigger ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Life is not a plate but a bowl to be filled... ~Mahatma Gandhi ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:27:41 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03302; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:10:30 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03256; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:10:17 -0800 Received: from pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.134.113]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA01204 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:05:34 -0800 Received: from [128.32.192.224] (ch051.Chance.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.192.224]) by pasteur.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA27679 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:30:54 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:30:54 -0800 X-Sender: ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu (David Ginsberg) Subject: Be-In Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is anyone else planning on attending the post MacWorld 'Be-In' party tonight? I just got tix & they were only $10 + $2 BASS service charge! See ya there?! loveyouall, David ******************************************************************* David Ginsberg Student of Cognitive Science University of California at Berkeley ******************************************************************* From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:41:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA02273; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:41:24 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02239; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:41:11 -0800 Received: from svpal.org (root@svpal.svpal.org [204.118.32.56]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01170 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:02:16 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0taWQT-000D78C; Thu, 11 Jan 96 15:28 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:28:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: newbies! To: Dimitri K Gortinsky cc: John Draper , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Dimitri K Gortinsky wrote: > are you talking about spundae? > please dont use derrodatory (got a fucked up key pad) derrogatory terms > when you are refering to gays and lesbians..they have every right to have > a club for themselves or at least a place where they are safe and can dance. > yes maybe the price is steep but look back at history and think of all > the clubs which guided house to where it is now and see how many of them > are primarily gay/lesbian clubs.... > excuse my ranting... > dimitri > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, John Draper wrote: > > >try chrysalis...sat13th...415-536-9453 > > >dont know about the indoor or outdoor though...ask ethan > > >dimitri > > > > Oh goody!! I didn't want to go to that "Price inflated queers > > thingie" anyway. > > > > Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was > > bad... *just a question to the educated* didnt house music originate in the gay/lesbian bars and clubs of detroit in the late 80's, later to be exported to england where it was tweaked and worked with to come back to SF around 1990. (?) thats the story i heard, abbreviated a little. correct me if im wrong. evolution, with respect to our past:) tom From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:41:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA02354; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:41:43 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02305; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:41:31 -0800 Received: from svpal.org (root@svpal.svpal.org [204.118.32.56]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01144 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:56:50 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0taWJv-000D7EC; Thu, 11 Jan 96 15:22 PST Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: ah, have i missed something recently? To: "Matthew D. P. K. Lanier" cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601111832.KAA15232@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Matthew D. P. K. Lanier wrote: > hello all- > i've been gone for christmas break, and just recently got my e-mail acess > back. i was looking foreward to coming back to this list, but with the > flood of bickering, i'm not so sure. might i make a suggestion- > > 1) when a discussion seems to be involving only 2 or 3 people, why > don't you take it private to spare the multitudes who have demonstrated that > they are no longer interested? i have been involved in 1 or 2 arguements > over sfraves and have been slammed for keeping private business public. i > promisee, if i want to be involved in a discussion, i will jump in quickly, > and not after the re: re: re: re: train fills the subject description of the > message. > > 2) let us remember about infighting within a group. people are > frightened of raves, ravers, and what we do through media mis-information, > closed-mindedness, whatever. as a group that has a tendency to do illegal > things every once-in-a-while, we must stand much more united that we appear. > if we are not united, we will fall under the pressure of fear, police, laws, > and all the other things that stand in the way of a good rave. i am losing > faith that some of the people on this list would be nice to each other if > they met on a dance floor. > > thanks for listening to my ramblings, and even if i have not met you, > CONSIDER YOURSELF HUGGED AT THIS VERY MOMENT! thanks, a better day already. i was just clearing out all the "re:re:re:" chains this morning. unity, evolution, feel the love:) tom > "there must be peace within us before there will be peace anywhere else." > me, -1996 *right on* :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:42:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA02426; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:42:07 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02419; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:42:03 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA12659; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:41:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:41:51 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, star@sfsu.edu Subject: The problem with being for sale (was: Da Mayor's in da house!) In-Reply-To: <199601102248.OAA25720@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk According to my computer, on Wed, 10 Jan 1996, SDream shared: > Better yet, why don't we just agree to put up a Mayor Brown poster at the > door to every rave, and instead of calling them parties when we apply for > permits, call them mayoral celebrations. That way, Da Mayor (John's term) > would take it personally if the cops busted the party. > > S But who do you think is better at kissing the mayor's ass... us or the cops? The cops work for him, and they're used to following stupid orders given by self-important people. We on the other hand, merely want to party free from official interference, tend to recognize people with big egos for what they are, and tend to be individualistic and not likely to take marching orders from anyone. That gives the cops a pretty fat edge in any ass-kissing contest, as I see it. Besides which, watering down our parties by trying to make them pleasing to the powers that be is one of the surest ways I can think of to kill the scene. Putting up Willie Brown signs may not be much of a watering down, but if it's done to buy us protection, you can be sure that other requests for payment of various kinds will follow... I recently heard a story about Sir Winston Churchill which may or may not be true, but is certainly instructive. Mr. Churchill was at a party (probably not a rave), talking to a well-known society beauty. "Madam," he asked her, "Would you sleep with me for five million pounds?" "Well!" She looked away blushing, "We would have to discuss the terms, of course..." "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?" "Absolutely not!" the lady responded angrily. "What kind of woman do you take me for?" "We've already established that," Churchill rejoined. "We are now merely haggling about the price." Much love, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:51:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03432; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:51:48 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03406; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:51:38 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com (root@liberty.liberty.com [199.89.140.103]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA00872 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:04:23 -0800 Received: from default (ppp404.liberty.com [206.17.67.100]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA13925 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:17:28 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960111221757.0069e4b0@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:17:57 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: SFRaves/SFPoltics; Click....... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Hellllo, I would just like to say, that I now it's a little on the light side for tasty rave stuff. But people's I'm gonna spew chunks if I see Willie Browns name mentioned in another post. Hey, I'm not sayin don't post about it to your little fingers content. I'm just saying that ****I AM**** a little sick of it, that's all. Thanks & out with puffy cheeks........... 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:51:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03474; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:51:56 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03413; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:51:41 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA00832 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 13:55:08 -0800 Received: from [205.149.171.92] (bayball.vip.best.com [205.149.171.92]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA11640 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:20:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 14:20:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bayball@best.com (Alex) Subject: A Suggestion Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I would like to make a suggestion, and I stress that that is all this is, not a criticism. About the numerous flame wars that have taken place: Email is a great and powerful tool, but it is not a great medium for having constructive discussions when people fundamentally disagree on certain issues (Jesus, I sound like a politician, don't I. Oh, well!) When there is no immediate resonse or contact it is much easier to exaggerate points and degenerate into name calling. May I suggest that when two people have a disagreement they exchange phone numbers and discuss by voice in real time, when it is easier to remember that you are talking with another person who deserves respect, just as you do. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm on my high horse here. This is only a respectful suggestion. Peace. Alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:52:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03517; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:52:07 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03502; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:52:01 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01541; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:54:18 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601111654.ZM1539@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:54:18 -0800 In-Reply-To: NEGATiVE UToPiA "Re: Like I said...." (Jan 10, 4:39am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: NEGATiVE UToPiA , SDream Subject: Re: Like I said.... Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk more willie... i have family exoerience with the man. $2k suits aside, he has been known to go to a swank party and if there is no parking, he parks on the lawn. that is, he parks his ferarri on the lawn. the man lives incredibly extravagantly. he is always on the make for a better gig, more money, etc. he'll sell our city to the highest bidder. it saddens me that so many people over so many years have fallen for his guise. On Jan 10, 4:39am, NEGATiVE UToPiA wrote: > Subject: Re: Like I said.... > > On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, SDream wrote: > > > >As I said before the coronation of our great king, Willie L. Brown Jr., > > >San Francisco, CA. will NEVER be the same. Not optimism, fact: > > > > That's like saying, the Enola Gay just took off for Japan! Nagasaki will > > never be the same! Boy that city has been BORING, but it's going to get > > REAL exciting in a few hours!! > > > > >hahahahahahahahahaha! Da Mayor, hahahahahahaha! > > > > Other than putting a better mix of people into government positions, I > > really don't anticipate anything good from Willie. He's the ultimate career > > politician -- and that's a scarey thought, cause career politicians are in > > it primarily for themselves, and that's all. I'm not knockin' him, I'm just > > not rooting for him either. I always felt that, while Jordan was, as you > > put it, *boring*, he seemed to really care about the city and it's welfare. > > I don't get those vibes from Willie, y'know? This guy is more concerned > > about his image and power than anything else. > > > > 'Course, you may be right. Ole Willie may rock the house. It will > > certainly be better for all of us on this list if he can loosen up things > > for raves. But IMHO, he's got Wessonality... > > > > T > > well, i've kept my mouth shut for long enough...to see how people feel > about Will being mayor... > > anyway, as working for UPS and being the Teamster that Iam, I had the > chance to go to a little gathering to hear democratic politions speak. > One of them happened to be Willie. > > First off, let me say that the guy should have been a Snake Oil Sellsman. > or else he should be in Maryland selling snow...the guy can talk and get > you to love him... > > Second, he doesnt care about SF what so ever. he gave a speach for Local > 70 and said what his plans are...to become mayor and then use that as a > stepping stone for governor. Will might know how to have fun, but for SF > becoming better, that will never happen. yes there might be more raves > happening, but then again, i wouldnt hold my breath. i think if i heard > on the news correctly that there is a Chinese police chief. (if im wrong, > tell me, not flame me ;) do you really think that a Chinese police chief > is gonna say "hey, you wanna have yer parties where people do drugs and > problems could arise??? GO FOR IT!!!" i think not. Jordan might have > > As SDream said, "Jordan might have been a bore," but he wasnt a liar that > Will is. Jordan told you what his plans are. Will didnt happen to mention > in any speach that he gave to the SFers that if the city goes to hell, it > goes to hell, oh well. > > just something i thought i had to say....sorry. > > > >-- End of excerpt from NEGATiVE UToPiA -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:53:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03767; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:53:57 -0800 Received: from beta.sirius.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03740; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:53:51 -0800 Received: from [205.134.228.107] (ppp107-sf2.sirius.com [205.134.228.107]) by beta.sirius.com (8.6.11/8.6.9p) with SMTP id QAA06886 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:56:39 -0800 X-Sender: natural@sirius.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:56:13 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: natural@sirius.com (Natural) Subject: All Together now(Bsp) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sarurday 13th January Space Children present All together now 1 year anniversary Mission Rock $15 Radley Das Spacetime Continuum(Last live gig in SF before he embarks on his world tour) Ceasar Graeme Surge Ameba Abstract Darkhorse Gammal Ameba Please arrive with a nice smile and an open mind luv the space children ___________________________________________________________________ For distressed tunes, noise lessons and all the sonic confusion you'll ever need............. natural music 1388 haight st area seven san francisco ca 94117 t 415 626 7707 f 415 621 6913 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:59:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA04430; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:59:35 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04422; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:59:32 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01568; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:02:13 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601111702.ZM1566@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:02:12 -0800 In-Reply-To: nathan_moser@manual3.com (Nathan Moser) "Re: synths and stuph... (korg prophecy?)" (Jan 10, 11:16am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: nathan_moser@manual3.com (Nathan Moser), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: synths and stuph... (korg prophecy?) Cc: steve.lerner@inside.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well i am in the other camp... analog is my true love. like you, i'd never try to argue *preference* :) anyway, there are a great deal of rackmount analogs coming out these days, fully implimented with midi. the only one i can think of that is new are by studio electronics... but there are many others. perhaps steve can share his insights... and the matrix1000 has good midi implimentation. i can control all functions of each patch with the driver we have for our wbl4014 macintosh midi sequencer. On Jan 10, 11:16am, Nathan Moser wrote: > Subject: Re: synths and stuph... (korg prophecy?) > I'll preface this by saying that I'm ABSOLUTELY NOT trying to solicit > another analog vs. digital flame war. I know that analog sounds fatter, > better, etc. I also know that I'm far too addicted to MIDI and sys-ex to > play with CV or proprietary sequencers. If you still feel the need to dis > the digitial, you can privately email me. > > Since everyone's offering their opinions on music hardware, I thought I'd > ask if anyone's tried the new Korg Prophecy. I'm seriously considering > getting one. I played with it for about an hour in a dealer showroom, which > really only afforded me the chance to be blown away byits preset sounds. I > didn't get a good feel for how tedious its programming interface might be. > I read the Keyboard review, which pointed out a couple of bugs that occur > when you try to trigger the arpegeator from external source. I'm still > hyped about syncing the arpegeator to a MIDI clock, though. I'll have to > push all its buttons before I decide to lay down the $1k, of course, but I > was wondering what other people thought of it. > > It was pretty amusing to pull up presets named "Rave til Dawn" and "TB303." > I guess that would be my main criticism - that it seems to be geared toward > imitating past innovations rather than creating its own. It's hard to say > that for sure, however, without programming a few of your own patches on > the thing. > > -nate > >-- End of excerpt from Nathan Moser -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 16:59:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA04467; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:59:56 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04450; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:59:48 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01573; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:02:34 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601111702.ZM1571@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:02:34 -0800 In-Reply-To: Dimitri K Gortinsky "Re: newbies!" (Jan 10, 11:22am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Dimitri K Gortinsky , lanima00 Subject: Re: newbies! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk chrysalis is indoors. On Jan 10, 11:22am, Dimitri K Gortinsky wrote: > Subject: Re: newbies! > try chrysalis...sat13th...415-536-9453 > dont know about the indoor or outdoor though...ask ethan > dimitri > >-- End of excerpt from Dimitri K Gortinsky -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:08:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA05375; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:08:21 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA05370; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:08:19 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01626; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:10:53 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601111710.ZM1624@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:10:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Niels P. Mayer" "Re: Nervous White People's Music" (Jan 10, 3:32pm) References: <199601102332.PAA05261@netcom6.netcom.com> MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: "Niels P. Mayer" , "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Nervous White People's Music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i have in my hand a brazilian cd: rce - produco~es artisticas... i think the artist is dj ratinho. some stuff inside about the piramide dance clob. picture looks like a big open room with the walls entirely lined with piles of home stereo speakers... the music sounds like oldschool electro. On Jan 10, 3:32pm, Niels P. Mayer wrote: > Subject: Re: Nervous White People's Music > dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira): > > > >geez.. I did not get that one. > > > >Anyway, a place called Bahia should be cool. My mom is from bahia, and it is a > >very nice place. > > I think a posting from Brazil (.br) is pretty cool too. We need more > Brazilians around to show us how to party properly. :-) Welcome to the > list and all that... Is there a rave scene in Brazil?? I've seen news > rports on some hip hoppy DJ-type (kinda like Brazilian Bhangra)) stuff > going on in Brazil, but it didn't exactly look like a rave. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > = Niels Mayer http://www.cyborganic.com/People/niels mayer@netcom.com = > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >-- End of excerpt from Niels P. Mayer -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:15:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA05910; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:15:15 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA05902; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:15:10 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA21075 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:17:18 GMT Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA23393 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:15:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199601120115.RAA23393@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:36:11 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: newbies! X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk WHAT!? Are you serious!!?? Is Spundae going to be $35+? FORGET IT! I say, if that's the case, we organize an impromptu, by-the-water rave that night in protest. Seriously, does anyone know how much Spundae is going to be? >are you talking about spundae? >> Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was >> bad... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:25:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA03940; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:54:52 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA03926; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:54:47 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01550; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:57:35 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601111657.ZM1548@tempest.organic.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:57:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: Dimitri K Gortinsky "Re: This weekends events" (Jan 10, 11:19am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Dimitri K Gortinsky , SDream Subject: Re: This weekends events Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yeah! i *love* andre lucero!! he'll be spinning there... On Jan 10, 11:19am, Dimitri K Gortinsky wrote: > Subject: Re: This weekends events > chrysalis i think is on sat night..the 13th...im pretty sure without even > knowing who is spinning that it will be a good party!!!! > i might see some of you there! > dimitri > >-- End of excerpt from Dimitri K Gortinsky -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:25:54 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06554; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:25:54 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06548; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:25:50 -0800 Received: from default (ppp413.liberty.com [206.17.67.109]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA15834 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:25:35 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960112012558.00689d60@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:25:58 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Recently I mentioned to some of you about a ISP called Liberty. Well after doing some quick & careful research, I would like to say that ISDN is the way to go hands down, no contest. Why crusie the Net at 14.4 or 28.8 when you could have your own parttime digital line from PACBell for about $25/month local flat rate, long distance additional, and cruise the Net at a minimum of 56kbps, and a maximum of 112kbps, virtually T1 speed. ISDN(Internation Standard Digital Network) Initial Cost: ISDN Device(Motorrola Bit Surfer Pro, CompUsa Price $399.00) PACBell said this was the device they thought was the best, and recommended it. ISDN Provider(Internex of Santa Cruz) $30/month for 30 hours of B1 access(56kbps) or $30/month for 15 hours of B1/B2 access(112kbps), plus $1.25/hour after that. Get your equipment, place your order with the phone company, and a week or two later you able to do Full Digital Connectivity from your desktop. With the right equipment your able to do A/D, like hook your analog phone, fax, answering machince and/or modem ...etc. Which means from a voice stand point that if you call another digital customer you can do simaltaneous voice,& data transmission, on virtually noise free lines. I will be installing this service at my residence shortly and be happy to let anyone know whats it's like. See ya in a digital future, later analog...... 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:28:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06855; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:28:59 -0800 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06825; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:28:53 -0800 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id RAA04708; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:28:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:28:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael E. Clay" Subject: Da Mayor's in Da House Posters To: sfraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Willie Brown posters on party doors ??? I can't help but think of early Jews putting goat's blood crosses on their doors to be passed over by a wrathful God ( As if the omniscient one wouldn't already KNOW who's inside ).... Now maybe if we combine blood crosses, voodoo dolls, shaman rattles AND Willie Brown posters the police will fear to enter.... ;-) Mike meclay@netcom.com | Alone & ecstatic Mike Clay (415)572-8971 | A young rainbow learns to levitate. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:29:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA06910; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:29:14 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06889; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:29:08 -0800 Received: from [206.14.14.138] (sf-pm8-138.slip.net [206.14.14.138]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA14054 FOR [[]]; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:28:45 -0800 X-Sender: bsalter@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:36:04 -0300 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bsalter@slip.net (Brian Salter) Subject: Re: synths and stuph... (korg prophecy?) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk While we're on the subject of old gear... Is there anyone here who knows how to send knob tweaks via midi on a Prophet 600? I've heard it can be done. thanks BS From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:39:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA07880; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:39:40 -0800 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA07875; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:39:37 -0800 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id RAA28365; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:41:18 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:41:17 -0800 (PST) From: Geoff White To: Brian DarknEs^2 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960112012558.00689d60@199.89.140.103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Brian DarknEs^2 wrote: > BY YOUR COMMAND; > > Recently I mentioned to some of you about a ISP called Liberty. Well > after doing some quick & careful research, I would like to say that ISDN is > the way to go hands down, no contest. > Indeed. > Why crusie the Net at 14.4 or 28.8 when you could have your own > parttime digital line from PACBell for about $25/month local flat rate, long > distance additional, and cruise the Net at a minimum of 56kbps, and a > maximum of 112kbps, virtually T1 speed. Not quite, T1 speed is about 12 times that > > ISDN(Internation Standard Digital Network) > um Integrated Services Digital Network > Initial Cost: > > ISDN Device(Motorrola Bit Surfer Pro, CompUsa Price $399.00) > PACBell said this was the device they thought was the best, and > recommended it. > Don't forget the $100 start up fee to PacBEll :) > ISDN Provider(Internex of Santa Cruz) $30/month for 30 hours of B1 > > access(56kbps) or $30/month for 15 hours of B1/B2 access(112kbps), > plus > $1.25/hour after that. > If you live in SF you might want to check out my new company Virtual Sites we offer LIMITED ISDN for a flat rate of $50 per month but it comes bundled with a Web site. > Get your equipment, place your order with the phone company, and a > week or two later you able to do Full Digital Connectivity from your > desktop. With the right equipment your able to do A/D, like hook your analog > phone, fax, answering machince and/or modem ...etc. Which means from a voice > stand point that if you call another digital customer you can do > simaltaneous voice,& data transmission, on virtually noise free lines. > > I will be installing this service at my residence shortly and be > happy to let anyone know whats it's like. See ya in a digital future, later > analog...... > Truely if you have ISDN you wont want to go back. You might also want to check out other companies other than InterNex (their not bad, I actually am a co-founder but I've deployed a couple of other companies' ISDN offerings in the bay area as well so I know all the players :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:46:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08321; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:46:20 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08316; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:46:17 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA23406 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:48:11 GMT Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA09526 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:46:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199601120146.RAA09526@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:07:03 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: RE: More on Wicked X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk MV, I'll be there! I'll be the guy with short brown hair and goatee dressed in light blue and white with a very fine young lady with short red hair probably dressed in black. >+ more or less the same line-up will be at Spundae's at DV8 on Sunday night... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:48:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08513; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:48:34 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08501; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:48:30 -0800 From: Derek Chung Message-Id: <199601120148.RAA08501@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: This Week's SFR Calendar! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:48:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves-calendar@hyperreal.com (SFR Calendar) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 13579 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Eon and Spundae have the all-star lineups this week, but Chrysalis may have the best vibe. I didn't find any events for Friday, so you may want to go back to 1015 (Mecca) or the Top. Thanks again to all who have been sending in info. Also, as usual, directions for subscribing and unsubscribing are at the bottom. THE SFR CALENDAR http://hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/sfrcal.html _________________________________________________________________ Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area Saturday, January 13th - Gateway Systems Presents _Chrysalis_ DJs Joel, Alex, John Carel, Andre Lucero, Solar and a live performance with Freaky Chakra! Ambient / Trip-hop with Consciousness Lab, Minor Minor, Ronan, and Jason. Breakfast served at 6am with juice and muffins. Presale tix $10 at F8 In SF. 415.536.9453 Saturday, January 13th - _All Together Now_ One Year Anniversary DJs Das, Graeme, Caesar, Surge, Abstract, Gamall, Radley + Spacetime Continuum. Special Guests Ameba & Darkhorse. 415.273.1622 916.554.7177 408.327.9277 Saturday, January 13th - Ultra 5 presents _EON_ DJ Dmitry (Deee-Lite), Frankie Feliciano, DJ Pierre, Doc Martin, Jeno, Barry Weaver, Karizma. 800.204.3986 415.437.5503 408.345.2399 916.484.4006 510.464.4677 Sunday, January 14th - Martin Luther King Jr Weekend _Spundae_ DJs EFX, Dmitry (Deee-Lite), Doc Martin, Jeno, Simon, Garth, Markie, Carlos, Henrik, Scott Hardkiss, Miquel, Ruben Mancias, Aaron O, John Howard. 55 Natoma St. 415.974.9389 Friday, January 19th - 4 Real Productions presents _Overdose _ Simon, Dutch, Josh, Frank Nitty, Spinner, Tracy, XL, Mars & more. 415.406.4554 415.406.4238 Saturday, January 27th - _Groove Trip_ One Year Anniversary Tony & Karizma, Rig-A-Tony & Q, Osqure & Jesse on 4 turntables, and Donald Glaude, Jeyson, Scot & Dr. Zimms. Ambient room by Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research. 415.522.9958 916.556.4684 Saturday, January 27th - United Presents... World Mixman Premiere Live performances by John Howard, Jeff Taylor, Jeff Miller, Galen, Ethan, Tony and ???. Featuring the music of Seraphim Odyssey, Darin Marshall, Freaky Chakra, Bassbin Twins, Electroliners, Bass Kittens, Mephisto, Dubtribe & Deluxe. 415.273.1416 http://www.mixman.com Saturday, January 27th - Rain Dance Production's 1st Anniversarty Tribal Dance Party Dj's Garth, Jeno, Harry Who, Tracy, Keone, Tom. 415.337.4142, 510.895.7558, 408.425.3316 Friday, February 2nd - In Touch presents _All in the Family_ w/DJs Barry Weaver, Jeno, Tony, Karizma, Crust & guests. $10. 415.267.3916 _________________________________________________________________ W E E K L I E S House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may have ended - let me know when that happens... T h u r s d a y Lift - David Harness, Aaron O, Jay-J, Black & guests - $5, 21+, 12mid-5:30am, 55 Natoma, SF - 415.267.5984 Velvet Shop - 21+, $5. San Jose, call for location. 408.235.1556 uppercut - presented by btpo - djs george, aural b, tom thump, roman, cool chris, ck smart - 1151 Folsom Inferno - Grey, Darrell, Cisco, Dave - Graziano's Restaurant, 134 Pet blvd, Petaluma, CA. 707.762.4404. 21+, $2. Azul - Deep House & Soul w/Alfie & James. Casanova, 527 Valencia. Free! Swing Mode - Abstract Jazzy Grooves w/Mark Farina, Corbin, Everett & special guests. Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin. 10pm-4am. 415.773.8841 The Top - resident house player Preston - 424 Haight. $2, 8pm-2am. Full House - blinding beats and lovely skills w/DJs Finn, Bruno & guests & live musicians. Miss Pearl's Jam House, 10pm-2am. $3. F r i d a y Sound Factory DJs Pete Avila, David Harness & guests. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF - 9:30pm-7am, 21+ 415.543.1300 Mecca - Jeno, Markie, Taj & guests. 1015 Folsom, 21+, $10 - 415.431.1200 Soul'd Out - house w/Julius Papp, Rick Preston on 4 turntables @ Oasis/San Jose. Nocturnal Transmission - DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez, Saint John & guests. 55 Natoma St. $5 before midnight/$10 after. 11pm-5am. 415.957.1730 Sugar - from kit kat - DJs Jellybear, Tommy Roger, Andrew Rawnsley, & guests. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison. 9pm-3am. 21+ Go Fast - Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come too). 10pm-? 8th & Minna. The Top - robbie hardkiss & friends. 424 Haight, 9pm-2am, free! Liquid Fridays - house music w/various DJs. 2721 Broadway, Sacramento 10pm - 2am, 18+, FREE. 916.484.4285 S a t u r d a y Other Whirled - DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady, Nikki Rivera & guests. saturday morning, 6am. 201 9th @ Howard. Club Universe - David Harness, Page Hodel, Aaron O & Pete Avila - 177 Townsend, SF - 9:30-7am, 21+, 415.985.5241 Sound Factory - big club sounds - 525 Harrison @ 1st. 9:30pm-4am. 21+ 415.543.1300 Release - Acid Jazz/Funk/70's/Reggae - Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr.Sulu, Randy Wong. 1015 Folsom. 415.337.7457 55 - Djs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez and guests with the Houseworks. Euro, House and late night grooves with Behrouz, Suiki, Danny and guests. 21+, 55 Natoma St. 415.267.1858 Ritual - fetish nightclub featuring extreme techno & perverse trance w/Alex & Meanor. 21+, $10 ($7 w/fetish attire), 9:30pm-4am. 520 4th St @ Bryant. 415.995.4600 Vanilla Fudge - deep house and other fine hippie crap. Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason, Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights at 55 belden alley. 10pm-2am. 415.764.2903 (one of several DJ events Cafe Bastille hosts every Saturday) Vertigo - psychodiscotechnofunk w/Nikki Rivera, Ellen Ferrato, Steven Sque & Lewis. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research - live and pre-recorded ambient soundscapes, 7pm-11pm @ RAW Living Foods, 1224 9th @ Lincoln (across from Le Video). 415.789.8308 Liquid Vinyl - afterhours w/Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard & guests. $5 w/pass, $8 w/o. 2am-6am. 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730 'Nuff Respect - Jungle Choons w/DJ StarEyes & DJ Thad. free; 5pm-9pm @ Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR Jungle at the Top w/DJs Shobhan, UFO, Noel & guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424 Haight St. S u n d a y Bulletproof boat party - $25 includes afterparty and buffet, 6-10pm Ferry Building (one Sunday of each month) Tickets and info at Bulletproof 629 Haight (255.7168) Spundae + Teknotika - resident DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel plus weekly guests - 10pm-5:30am, 21+, free b4 10:30, $5 after. 55 Natoma. 415.974.9389 spundae@sirius.com [1/14 - MLK weekend spectacular - see above] 'sup - DJ Mei-Lwun & Guests @ the Blue Lagoon, 923 Pacific, Santa Cruz 10pm-2am 408.684.3434 $1-$2, 21+. Sunday Love - with DJs Blesed & Darius & weekly guests. $6, 15698 E.14th, San Leandro (across from Bay Fair Mall). 10pm-3am. Leopard Lounge - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. DJs Suiki, Jay-J, Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina & special guests. 2125 Lombard St @ Fillmore. 415.771.2583 jaba-jaba - 10am-5pm @ 76 Minna St (the Oddball Lounge) - 1.800.458.6916 Pleasuredome - DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B. 8pm-6am. 177 Townsend. 415.985.5256 Quench - resident Djs Rick Preston & Ryan Tapia + guests. Ambient-Space explorations by DJ Leath and guests in the front room. At The Usual - 21+, 400 South First St. San Jose. 408.535.0330. [1/14 - Mark Johns / Jay-J] [1/21 - Harry Who? / Emma (diy)] [1/28 - Rick / Ryan / Tamotsu] M o n d a y Mushroom Jazz (Jazid Up) - acid jazz w/Mark Farina, George, Alex, Kevin, Julius Papp & guests. $5, 10pm-4am. _On hold - will reopen in January._ 415-905-8811 Noc Noc - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJ Mohsen, 557 Haight St. 21+. (every other Monday) MAD - Ethan, Alex, Jon Santos & Joe Rice & guests w/techno, trance & electro. at Bahia, 1600 Market @ Franklin. 10pm, 18+, $1 before 11, $3 after. T u e s d a y Butterfly - Casanova, 527 Valencia, 21+, $2, 10pm-2am. DJs Charlotte (the Baroness), Dani & guests Groove Room - Upstairs at Old Town, 50 University Ave., Los Gatos DJs Cooley Mark Alonzo 408.395.8600 Breathe Deep - Househeads Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel + weekly guests. 1015 Folsom in the Gold Room. 10pm-4am. 21+, $5; free before 11:30 w/flyer. 415.998.9515 Begin.... - house, trip-hop, & trance. Rotating DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley, Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, and Anna. at The Inn of the Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati. 9pm-2am. All ages w/ microbrews for 21+. 707-524-4443. the Magic Circle - Tony Fader & DJ Sifu droppin' Space Funk. 9pm-1am, Your Mama's Cafe, 5329 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland. 510.601.YOUR the Five-O - drum'n'bass club. DJs Jonah Sharp and a man like malcolm with mc's rasta cue tip and green. at philip's french quarter, 9th & Howard. $5, $3 before 11pm, 21+. Mos Eisley Spaceport - cybertrance & techno w/Mars, Solar, John Howard, Mystr-E & guests. 10pm-2am, club Boomerang, 1840 Haight @ Stanyan. 21+, $3. 415.387.2996 Kinetic - dj Phil Salter and guests. 2325 clayton road, concord. 21+. 510-946-5005 W e d n e s d a y Simply Done - Deep House residents: John Howard, Mark Farina, Loren + guests. $5; free b4 11. 10pm-late, 21+, 538 Howard Come/Unity - Simon, Jeno, Garth - usually first Weds each month - 415.241.8815. Afterparty at 201 Howard. Jive Samba - DJ's Roman & Chris Playing Latin Licks, Rock Steady Hits, and Jazz Picks. Live music with Josh Jones and Guests the Up&Down Club 1151 Folsom Boost - old school uplifting house - DJ Jamie J & Hector the ejector. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. free before midnight w/invite. 415.703.7105 Roots - Garth, Jeno & guests in the basement of 1015 Folsom and The Black Diamond - Felix the Dogge, Thomas + guests - in the lounge. 10-4. 415.512.5713 cosmic lounge - space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle. DJs Caspar, Paul, Seth + special guests. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th. 10pm-2am. No cover. Reunion - Danny, Naz Cafe & guests. 21+, 9pm-, free. The Fulton Bar, 1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332 _________________________________________________________________ Info Lines * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated daily. * Clubline - 415.979.8686 * Fatline - 415.207.3668 * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019 * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338 * The Groove Line - (415) 321.1500 ext.4788 * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125 _________________________________________________________________ Radio/TV Shows * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub, Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara) * Monday noon-3pm - House and techno w/DJ Unknown and guests - KZSU 90.1 (Stanford) * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" w/DJ Seth. Ambient, experimental, ethereal, acid-trance-techno, industrial and trip-hop on KALX 90.7 (Berkeley) * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF 90.3 (SF) * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock) * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench - 10pm-2am Ambient, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, Acid Jazz and noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills * Friday night midnight - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 47 - Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415) 281-3377. flux@netcom.com * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF) * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1 KMEL. * Saturday morning - "The Uncle Noah TV Show" 6-9am, KDVS 90.3, Davis. * Saturday afternoon - "Bustop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from SF. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF. * Saturday night - "Saturday Night Spin Out" w/Ronnie Libido. Trip hop, Jungle, Ambient, Experimental Sounds. 10pm-2am. KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills _________________________________________________________________ Administrative Notes If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't possibly hope to get all the info every week. This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with either the line subscribe sfraves-calendar or unsubscribe sfraves-calendar There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with the line subscribe sfraves in the body of the message. Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com - 415.506.6195 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 17:55:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA08980; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:55:25 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA08969; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:55:21 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA24025 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:57:30 GMT Received: from tgrigsby ([199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA14239 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:55:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199601120155.RAA14239@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:16:22 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Recently I mentioned to some of you about a ISP called Liberty. Well >after doing some quick & careful research, I would like to say that ISDN is >the way to go hands down, no contest. Yes and no. Pac Bell realizes more people serious about Web surfing will be going ISDN, and for that reason they're trying to raise their rates in a series of hikes, starting with the following: >> JANUARY 5, 1996 DEADLINE TO PROTEST PACIFIC BELL'S ISDN TARIFF >> BEFORE THE CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION >> >> >> - Pac Bell Proposes huge increases in residential ISDN >> tariffs. Pac Bell proposed to double the daytime metered >> usage rate, and to introduce, for the first time, per minute >> metered charges in off-peak hours. >> >> - Deadline for Comments to California PSC is Friday, January >> 5, 1996. >> >> - Public may file comments by fax, at (415)-703-1758. If your >> fax is received by the deadline it will be accepted by the >> CPUC as an official protest. Faxes may be accepted beyond >> the 5th, at the discretion of the Commission. >> >> - The California PUC Public Advisor also receives email at >> public.advisor@cpuc.ca.gov. The status of protests filed by >> email is uncertain, but we are hoping that these comments >> will be processed by the Commission staff. (The Washington >> State WUTC just announced that it will receive comments on >> the Washington State US West ISDN Tariff at >> isdn@wutc.wa.gov). >> >> >> WHAT WILL THE RATE HIKES DO? >> >> The following is from Jim Warren's excellent newsletter, >> GovAccess (available from Majordomo@well.com), in a December 27 >> article titled "Telco Monopoly Ripoffs Begin: Pac Bell Wants to >> Double Home, Business ISDN Rates." >> >> Seasons Greetings! . . . on Dec 5th, Pac Bell applied >> to the Calif Public Utilities Commission to *double* >> its per-minute rates for residential and business ISDN >> victims, uh, subscribers -- jacking it up to 2.1-cents >> per minute for daytime phone use; [and adding new >> charges of ] 1.46-cents per minute for evening calls; >> [and] 0.84-cents per minute for nights and weekends. >> They also propose to eliminate their current waiver of >> installation charges for customers who subscribe for at >> least a two-year term. All sorts of other ISDN charges >> are also escalated, and previous benefits are >> eliminated or capped. >> >> >> Dan Kegel's description of the Pac Bell rate increases is as >> follows: >> Centrex rates: increasing by $8/mo. >> Business rates: >> Old Each Additional Minute New Each Additional Minute >> Day $.0105 $.0210 >> Evening $.0073 $.0146 >> Night/Weekend $.0042 $.0084 >> Home rates: same as business, but with 20 free hours of off-peak/month. [TAP/CPT Note, current residential tariff is >> unmetered for evening, night and weekend use] >> >> Pac Bell's proposed increases are clearly an attempt exploit its >> monopoly power. The practical result of the rate hike will be an >> extreme limiting of residential ISDN as a popular option for >> Internet access. >> >> >> WHAT YOU CAN DO. >> >> You may send faxes to the California Public Utilities >> Commission that will be filed as official protests to this action >> if received by close of business in California on January 5, >> 1996. The CPUC Public Advisor's voice number if you have any >> questions is (415) 703-2074. The cover sheet of your fax should >> be marked to the attention of the "Public Advisor" and should >> also be marked "Urgent" in large, distinctive type. The CPUC's >> fax number is: >> >> (415)-703-1758 >> >> On the cover of the fax as well as in the heading of your faxed >> protest letter, you should also reference the docket number: >> >> A95-12-043. >> >> The protests should be addressed to: >> >> Public Advisor's Office >> California PUC >> 505 Van Ness Ave or 107 S. Broadway >> San Francisco CA 94102 Los Angeles CA 90012 >> via fax (415)-703-1758 >> >> Re: A95-12-043, Pac Bell proposed ISDN tariffs >> TALKING POINTS >> >> >> - Pac Bell should not be allowed to impose per minuted metered >> charges for off-peak hours >> >> - Pac Bell is proposing to charge residential consumers 39 >> percent more for off-peak use than it currently charges >> commercial users during peak hours. (1.46 cents compared to >> 1.05 cents per minute. >> >> - It is in the public interest to promote ISDN deployment, and >> the use of new information services that are connected for >> longer periods of time (as we use the Internet to deliver >> new services). Per minute charges for the service should be >> avoided. >> >> - ISDN has tremendous application in education, entertainment, >> civic participation, and self-improvement. It is a general >> consumer technology not confined to a niche market, and it >> should be encouraged rather than made inaccessible by an >> unjust and unwarranted rate hike. >> >> Please get your faxes out as soon as possible. Stress to the >> CPUC that ISDN is an important technology representing the next >> step in the evolution of the information superhighway, and Pac >> Bell's proposal would prevent ISDN from reaching its potential in >> opening up new services and telecommunication advances on the >> Internet. >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> INFORMATION POLICY NOTES is a free Internet newsletter sponsored >> by the Taxpayer Assets Project (TAP) and the Consumer Project on >> Technology (CPT). Both groups are projects of the Center for >> Study of Responsive Law, which is run by Ralph Nader. The >> LISTPROC services are provide by Essential Information. Archives >> of TAP-INFO are available from >> >> http://www.essential.org/listproc/tap-info/ >> >> TAP and CPT both have Internet Web pages. >> >> http://www.tap.org/tap >> http://www.essential.org/cpt >> >> Subscription requests to tap-info to listproc@tap.org with >> the message: subscribe tap-info your name >> >> TAP and CPT can both be reached off the net at P.O. Box 19367, >> Washington, DC 20036, Voice: 202/387-8030; Fax: 202/234-5176 >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 18:13:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA10392; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:13:50 -0800 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10386; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:13:45 -0800 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA19507; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:13:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:13:15 -0800 (PST) From: Cami Edwards Subject: Re: newbies! To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601120115.RAA23393@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just called the Spundae # and it said the cover is $5 b4 10pm. Cheers*** Cami ps...no mention of the price after 10. On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, SDream wrote: > WHAT!? Are you serious!!?? Is Spundae going to be $35+? FORGET IT! I > say, if that's the case, we organize an impromptu, by-the-water rave that > night in protest. Seriously, does anyone know how much Spundae is going to be? > > >are you talking about spundae? > > >> Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was > >> bad... > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 18:28:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA11613; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:28:30 -0800 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11608; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:28:27 -0800 Received: by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA21093; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:28:06 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199601120228.SAA21093@netcom21.netcom.com> Subject: Queers, Not Spudae!! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 18:28:05 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1232 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey guys, I think crunchman was talking about this below event being $35, NOT SPUNDAE !!!! ---------------------------------------- 1/13/96 6:00 PM 10:30 PM Digital Queers Annual Bash the coolest party at Expo; $35 in advance, $50 at door; The Forum at the Center for the Arts, Yerba Buena Gardens (across the street from Moscone); entertainment by HBO comediene Suzanna Westenhoefer; sponsored by a zillion companies including Apple, Connecti ---------------------------------------- Somebody thought crunchman was using the word Queers as a derogitory(sp) word to describe Spundae. Big whooops! This stuff below is ALL CONFUSION! ( I think :+) > I just called the Spundae # and it said the cover is $5 b4 10pm. > > Cheers*** > Cami > > ps...no mention of the price after 10. > > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, SDream wrote: > > > WHAT!? Are you serious!!?? Is Spundae going to be $35+? FORGET IT! I > > say, if that's the case, we organize an impromptu, by-the-water rave that > > night in protest. Seriously, does anyone know how much Spundae is going to be? > > > > >are you talking about spundae? > > > > >> Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was > > >> bad... > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 19:21:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA16673; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:21:52 -0800 Received: from ix13.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA16658; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:21:47 -0800 Received: from by ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA13063; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:21:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:21:16 -0800 Message-Id: <199601120321.TAA13063@ix13.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Chrysalis To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Hey all! Well looks like Chrysalis on saturday is gonna be the soup du jour for me, was wondering who else is gonna be there so I can meet some of you that I haven't met before! Like I posted about FMR last week (but alas never got out of my house cause of all the troubles), I'll be wearing a shirt with a familiar design on the front, it's a big purple t-shirt, and I'll be wearing black velvet pants with it. So let me know who's gonna show! Love shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 19:22:28 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA16744; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:22:28 -0800 Received: from slip-1.slip.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA16739; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:22:26 -0800 Received: from sfasc202.slip.net (sfasc202.slip.net [206.14.14.202]) by slip-1.slip.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA00484 FOR [[]]; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:22:19 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:22:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199601120322.TAA00484@slip-1.slip.net> X-Sender: illumin8@frequency-8.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: SFRaves@hyperreal.com (San Trancisco Raves) From: illumin8@slip.net (Illumin8) Subject: Calander typo Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Saturday, January 13th - Gateway Systems Presents _Chrysalis_ DJs Joel, Alex, John Carel, Andre Lucero, Solar and a live performance with Freaky Chakra! Ambient / Trip-hop with Consciousness Lab, Minor Minor, Ronan, and Jason. Breakfast served at 6am with juice and muffins. Presale tix $10 at F8 In SF. 415.536.9453 Hey everyone, There's been a bit of confusion over the pre-sale tix thing. Initailly, the Gateway voicemail stated that pre-sale tix we're $10. We've been informed by Claire that ALL tickets will be $12. If you have any questions, call the number above. Sorry for the confusion. Jonas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 21:48:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA26745; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:48:08 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA26740; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:48:05 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA00331; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:58:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 21:58:21 -0800 (PST) To: Brian DarknEs^2 cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960112012558.00689d60@199.89.140.103> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Brian DarknEs^2 wrote: > BY YOUR COMMAND; > > Recently I mentioned to some of you about a ISP called Liberty. Well > after doing some quick & careful research, I would like to say that ISDN is > the way to go hands down, no contest. > > Why crusie the Net at 14.4 or 28.8 when you could have your own > parttime digital line from PACBell for about $25/month local flat rate, long > distance additional, and cruise the Net at a minimum of 56kbps, and a > maximum of 112kbps, virtually T1 speed. A)ISDN is *NOT* flat rate. You pay $70 install fee and have to make a two year commitment otherwise you are looking at over $200. Also Pac Bell is petitioning the PUC(Public Utilities Commision) to raise the rates. B)Max possible speed is 128kbs. > > ISDN(Internation Standard Digital Network) > > Initial Cost: > > ISDN Device(Motorrola Bit Surfer Pro, CompUsa Price $399.00) > PACBell said this was the device they thought was the best, and > recommended it. You also need a special serial card to handle the I/O if you go with an external box. A 16550 will not cut it if your provider is truly running at 64/128k. We just got a Livingston 5 BRI card here which truly runs at those speeds(no external cabling for it to go through) and the 3com's barf above 38.4k, while the BS Pro's will do 57.6k. So my company is making a card. Should be out in a month. ISDN is o.k. but I would wait until the PUC's ruling before running out and signing up. Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 22:57:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00595; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:57:06 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00589; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:57:03 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA14000; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:55:24 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id UAA00871; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:49:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:49:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: Queers, Not Spudae!! To: Darrel Etter cc: sfraves In-Reply-To: <199601120228.SAA21093@netcom21.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sorry i started this thread...it was a misunderstanding on my part... i thought he was talking about spundae , but he was actually taking about a macworld event.... sorry dimitri On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Darrel Etter wrote: > > Hey guys, > > I think crunchman was talking about this below event being > $35, NOT SPUNDAE !!!! > > ---------------------------------------- > 1/13/96 6:00 PM 10:30 PM Digital Queers Annual Bash the > coolest party at Expo; $35 in advance, $50 at door; The Forum at the Center > for the Arts, Yerba Buena Gardens (across the street from Moscone); > entertainment by HBO comediene Suzanna Westenhoefer; sponsored by a zillion > companies including Apple, Connecti > ---------------------------------------- > > Somebody thought crunchman was using the word Queers as a > derogitory(sp) word to describe Spundae. Big whooops! This stuff below > is ALL CONFUSION! ( I think :+) > > > I just called the Spundae # and it said the cover is $5 b4 10pm. > > > > Cheers*** > > Cami > > > > ps...no mention of the price after 10. > > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, SDream wrote: > > > > > WHAT!? Are you serious!!?? Is Spundae going to be $35+? FORGET IT! I > > > say, if that's the case, we organize an impromptu, by-the-water rave that > > > night in protest. Seriously, does anyone know how much Spundae is going to be? > > > > > > >are you talking about spundae? > > > > > > >> Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was > > > >> bad... > > > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Thu Jan 11 22:59:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA00684; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:59:27 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00675; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 22:59:24 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id UAA12985; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:34:07 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id UAA29158; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:31:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 20:31:23 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: newbies! To: Tom Leichardt cc: John Draper , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i think you are correct....i have to apologize for my past post for jumping to conclusions..... dimitri On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Tom Leichardt wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Dimitri K Gortinsky wrote: > > are you talking about spundae? > > please dont use derrodatory (got a fucked up key pad) derrogatory terms > > when you are refering to gays and lesbians..they have every right to have > > a club for themselves or at least a place where they are safe and can dance. > > yes maybe the price is steep but look back at history and think of all > > the clubs which guided house to where it is now and see how many of them > > are primarily gay/lesbian clubs.... > > excuse my ranting... > > dimitri > > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, John Draper wrote: > > > >try chrysalis...sat13th...415-536-9453 > > > >dont know about the indoor or outdoor though...ask ethan > > > >dimitri > > > > > > Oh goody!! I didn't want to go to that "Price inflated queers > > > thingie" anyway. > > > > > > Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was > > > bad... > > *just a question to the educated* > didnt house music originate in the gay/lesbian bars and clubs of detroit in > the late 80's, later to be exported to england where it was tweaked and > worked with to come back to SF around 1990. (?) > thats the story i heard, abbreviated a little. > correct me if im wrong. > > evolution, with respect to our past:) tom > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 00:08:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA07419; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:08:51 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA07411; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:08:46 -0800 Received: from default (ppp405.liberty.com [206.17.67.101]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA21427; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:08:41 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960112080853.0069986c@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:08:53 -0800 To: blkadder@value.net From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, dpotter@starfleet.InterNex.Net (Dave Potter) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; It is now from PACBell, and until the PUC makes their decision. PACBell is waiveing the setup fee, but call & find out for yourself. >A)ISDN is *NOT* flat rate. You pay $70 install fee and have to make a >two year commitment otherwise you are looking at over $200. Also Pac Bell >is petitioning the PUC(Public Utilities Commision) to raise the rates. I was told the correct 16550s or ? with the FIFO buffer that actually works will run these devices reliably up to the next multiple above 56kbps. >You also need a special serial card to handle the I/O if you go with an >external box. A 16550 will not cut it if your provider is truly running >at 64/128k. We just got a Livingston 5 BRI card here which truly runs at >those speeds(no external cabling for it to go through) and the 3com's >barf above 38.4k, while the BS Pro's will do 57.6k. So my company is >making a card. Should be out in a month. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 00:57:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA11021; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:57:43 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA11008; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 00:57:40 -0800 From: Foustus@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA28249 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:57:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 03:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <960112035715_39326546@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Looking for some buds (NON-Rave) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey out there in SLIP-land, I have a request from a sfraver that's looking for some others who'd like to room / rent a house and pay bills together type thingie.... She's a really cool cat and is an aspiring Dee-jay (which makes her ultra cool)... Sooo, If your one of the techno-ly kind and need a roomie or want to rommie w/others of the scene, then drop me a email and i'll get yer # to her. Spins, Adam... "happy, happy, joy, joy" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 01:17:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA11814; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:17:57 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA11808; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:17:55 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA19707; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:17:58 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601120117.ZM19705@well> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:17:57 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Rocky Mullin" "Re: Nervous White People's Music" (Jan 11, 5:10pm) References: <199601102332.PAA05261@netcom6.netcom.com> <9601111710.ZM1624@tempest.organic.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: "Rocky Mullin" , "Niels P. Mayer" , "San FranDisco Ravers List" Subject: Re: Nervous White People's Music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk About the only thing in the house/techno vein I have that seems to have a Brazilian origin is a 12-incher on Columbia (!) from a guy named only Heitor (good Brazilian name, that), with a track called Ligeirin, which has a combo of Brazilian and soukous (West African) influences. I played it at the last Atomic Dog in the Oakland Coliseum parking lot during last year's Grateful Dead Mardi Gras show :) Oh yeah, there's also the Jam & Spoon remix (not to mention the amazingly weird original) of Yello's "Just Say Yes To Another Excess," which has some nonsense voiceovers about the Amazon :) :) phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 01:50:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA14434; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:50:37 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA14428; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:50:34 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA01807; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:50:35 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601120150.ZM1804@well> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 01:50:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: Brian DarknEs^2 "Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared" (Jan 12, 12:08am) References: <2.2.32.19960112080853.0069986c@199.89.140.103> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: Brian DarknEs^2 , blkadder@value.net Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, dpotter@starfleet.InterNex.Net (Dave Potter) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 16550s vary quite a bit. They're pretty marginal at 57.6 or 64K actual throughput, from what I've heard. There *is* a 16650 now, I believe. A longtime acquaintance of mine from the Oregon Department of Energy, Steve Baker, was writing about this in a recent issue of Unix Review, but I don't have it handy. Serial = ugh. Why don't we move comm over to parallel and SCSI where it belongs? phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 02:04:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA15628; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 02:04:49 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA15622; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 02:04:45 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id CAA03079; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 02:04:51 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Exploratorium Date: 12 Jan 1996 02:00:08 GMT Message-Id: <22806494.49686103@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know how the Digital Media Player's Ball went? I helped Sound Traffic Control with the sound last year, it was pretty cool................... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 06:54:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA05767; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:54:05 -0800 Received: from mailgate.isltd.insignia.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA05762; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:54:00 -0800 X-Address: Insignia Solutions plc., High Wycombe, Bucks, HP11 1JU, UK X-Telephone: +44 1494 459426 X-Fax: +44 1494 459720 Received: from sacrum.isltd.insignia.com by mailgate.isltd.insignia.com (5.65c8/UK-2.1.ISL) with SMTP id AA21284; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:53:49 GMT Received: from hwccgate.isltd.insignia.com by sacrum.isltd.insignia.com (4.1/UK-2.1.ISL) id AA28731; Fri, 12 Jan 96 14:53:47 GMT Received: from ccMail by hwccgate.isltd.insignia.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.07) id AA821487306; Fri, 12 Jan 96 06:56:27 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 06:56:27 GMT From: "Tim McDonnell" Message-Id: <9600128214.AA821487306@hwccgate.isltd.insignia.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: A Suggestion Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is a good point, I would also recommend when repling to the E-mail do not do a Carbon copy to SFRaves, just respond to that person. I fell if something has too many contraversial(ms) opinions I try not to reply or answer them because 8 of 10 times it will turn into a flame war. Not that each person opinion is better then the others, it's just some people might have strange feelings about something and when someone doesn't agree they might feel hurt or something, Tim (knucklehead) _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: A Suggestion From: bayball@best.com (Alex) at hwsmtplink Date: 1/12/96 1:52 AM I would like to make a suggestion, and I stress that that is all this is, not a criticism. About the numerous flame wars that have taken place: Email is a great and powerful tool, but it is not a great medium for having constructive discussions when people fundamentally disagree on certain issues (Jesus, I sound like a politician, don't I. Oh, well!) When there is no immediate resonse or contact it is much easier to exaggerate points and degenerate into name calling. May I suggest that when two people have a disagreement they exchange phone numbers and discuss by voice in real time, when it is easier to remember that you are talking with another person who deserves respect, just as you do. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm on my high horse here. This is only a respectful suggestion. Peace. Alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 08:12:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA11568; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:12:59 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA11562; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:12:56 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA09665; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:12:40 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA06514; Fri, 12 Jan 96 08:12:39 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14830; Fri, 12 Jan 96 08:12:35 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9601121612.AA14830@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared To: geoffw@nexsys.net (Geoff White) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 8:12:34 PST Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Geoff White" at Jan 11, 96 5:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Why crusie the Net at 14.4 or 28.8 when you could have your own > > parttime digital line from PACBell for about $25/month local flat rate, long > > distance additional, and cruise the Net at a minimum of 56kbps, and a > > maximum of 112kbps, virtually T1 speed. > > Not quite, T1 speed is about 12 times that ISDN is yesterday's technology. Telcos are currently testing Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) technology which can run over existing copper telephone circuits, and can provide 6 Mbps, 46 times the speed of 128 kbps ISDN BRI data lines, without interrupting your regular telephone service on the same wire. Also, cable modems will soon give us bandwidth over our coaxial cables that will also blow ISDN away. But, yeah ISDN is available right now, and if my employer offers me it for free I'd be happy to take it. Lee ___________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 08:46:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA14615; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:46:42 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA14597; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:46:38 -0800 From: CozmicSky@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA07347 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:46:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: <960112114606_39510613@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fwd: I am New Newbie... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Fwd: I am New Newbie... Date: 96-01-12 02:29:31 EST From: CozmicSky To: owner-straves@hyperreal.com --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: I am New Newbie... Date: 96-01-12 01:24:21 EST From: CozmicSky To: majordomo@hyperreal.com Hello Everyone, I am new on the list, I am from up north about 40 miles. I have been listening to Garth for awhile, but just recently I justed actually started to go raving. The first rave I went to was the last Gathering (Anniversary). I had the best time. I was amazed how they could have put that party together. Music, atmosphere, the positive vibes everywhere you turned. It was very refreshing. The only thing was the lack of water. I survived though=]. I couldn't have asked for a better time.=] I then went to Origin New Year's and was kinda disappointed that is was so tiny (wharehouse). I still had a good time, but I thought the location wasn't well thought out. That place would have been great if it was in the summer, and if you could hear the music better outside, but that was not the case. Actually, it was pretty nice out that night, but you could only hear the music really good if you were in the crowded wharehouse. I couldn't even wiggle a little without bumping into somebody. I have not gone to any other party's yet since New Year's and I am currious to know if any others are as excellent as The Gathering or if I was just struck by luck?I am sure there are, but how often? I have not seen anything on the calendar for tommorow night (friday), does anyone know of anything? One more thing, I have lost a great tape by Garth, called House Nation. I have been trying to get a hold of one or a copy of one for a long time, but have had no luck. Can anyone help me??? Pam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 09:03:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA16936; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:03:01 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16926; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:02:55 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA02632; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:11:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:11:56 -0800 (PST) To: Lee Fogel cc: Geoff White , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared In-Reply-To: <9601121612.AA14830@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Lee Fogel wrote: > > > Why crusie the Net at 14.4 or 28.8 when you could have your own > > > parttime digital line from PACBell for about $25/month local flat rate, long > > > distance additional, and cruise the Net at a minimum of 56kbps, and a > > > maximum of 112kbps, virtually T1 speed. > > > > Not quite, T1 speed is about 12 times that > > ISDN is yesterday's technology. Telcos are currently testing > Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) technology which can > run over existing copper telephone circuits, and can provide > 6 Mbps, 46 times the speed of 128 kbps ISDN BRI data lines, without > interrupting your regular telephone service on the same wire. You are correct and don't forget SDSL. But it took 10-15 years since the technology was invented(ISDN) for it to make any inroads in the consumer market. And current reports of ASDL measure the effective range in hundreds of FEET. Not exactly something that is going to be a market viable product any time soon. > Also, cable modems will soon give us bandwidth over our coaxial > cables that will also blow ISDN away. One-way bandwidth in any implementation I have heard about. And remember this comes from the people that have been saying interactive TV and 500 channels were right around the corner five years ago. How's your signal? My stinks. I can't even get surround sound to kick in properly which seems to work fine on VCR tapes going through the same cable on my end. Cable companies response? Signal seems to be within specs. You want these people doing ISP service? > But, yeah ISDN is available right now, and if my employer offers me it > for free I'd be happy to take it. > > Lee Black Adder From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 09:39:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA20454; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:39:51 -0800 Received: from Zool.AirTouch.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA20449; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:39:48 -0800 Received: from nit.AirTouch.COM (pinbot.nit.airtouch.com) by Zool.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-Zool:MLC:950320-01) id AA18153; Fri, 12 Jan 96 09:39:07 PST Received: from eon.nit.airtouch.com by nit.AirTouch.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/AirTouch-nit:MLC-940403-02) id AA12167; Fri, 12 Jan 96 09:38:40 PST From: eric@nit.AirTouch.COM (Eric Pederson) Message-Id: <9601121738.AA12167@nit.AirTouch.COM> Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared To: blkadder@value.net Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:38:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: brianvan@liberty.liberty.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "blkadder@value.net" at Jan 11, 96 09:58:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2107 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk blkadder@value.net writes... > A)ISDN is *NOT* flat rate. You pay $70 install fee and have to make a > two year commitment otherwise you are looking at over $200. Also Pac Bell > is petitioning the PUC(Public Utilities Commision) to raise the rates. Here is what PacBell is charging me monthly for a home ISDN line: Home ISDN Line - Measured Rate 6.00 SDS Home ISDN - Basic Package 15.00 and the usual taxes, etc. The rates for local calls are: Monday-Friday, 8am-5pm: $0.03 for the first minute, $0.01 each add'l minute All other times: No charge I live in Walnut Creek so it may be different in other Bay Area cities (but I would doubt it). I use it mostly during off-peak hours and my bill is usually around $50.00 a month. > B)Max possible speed is 128kbs. As long as your communication device supports aggregating of channels. If you use compression the throughput can be higher. My compression ratio usually runs around 2:1. (mostly telnet and web traffic). > You also need a special serial card to handle the I/O if you go with an > external box. A 16550 will not cut it if your provider is truly running > at 64/128k. We just got a Livingston 5 BRI card here which truly runs at > those speeds(no external cabling for it to go through) and the 3com's > barf above 38.4k, while the BS Pro's will do 57.6k. So my company is > making a card. Should be out in a month. I'm not sure if ISP's provide this, but I use my ISDN line with an ethernet bridge. The ISDN box plugs into my ethernet card. My PC thinks it's just another machine on the company network. I have my own IP address and run Netscape, etc. directly. Definitely nice. > ISDN is o.k. but I would wait until the PUC's ruling before running out > and signing up. Yeah, with the new rate increases and getting rid of the "free" local calls at night, it will be a LOT more expensive. My average bill will go up to $200 from $50 with the new rates. -- Eric Pederson AirTouch Communications eric.pederson@airtouch.com 510-279-6185 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 09:44:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA21021; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:44:49 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA21012; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:44:45 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA06582 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:46:52 GMT Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA25175 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:44:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199601121744.JAA25175@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:05:41 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Serial = ugh. Why don't we move comm over to parallel and SCSI where >it belongs? Why go with telephone lines? There is actually a kind of modem that works with cable -- that's right, TV cable lines. You get AMAZING throughput. The problem is, the modem is about the size of a computer itself, and it costs about $1000. Some of the guys here think that, eventually, cable companies will also begin providing super high speed Internet access. The cable is already laid, the circuits are already in place, it's just a matter of time before they get the size and cost of the modems down. S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 09:59:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA22204; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:59:35 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA22164; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:59:25 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id JAA17133; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:59:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:59:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199601121759.JAA17133@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Yamaha QX 21 Sequencer Cc: analogue@hyperreal.com, idm@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry for the cross post everyone. Does anyone know anything about the Yamaha QX21 midi Sequencer. I know someone who is selling one for $50, and I want to know what it is capable of, and what the memory is like. I know it doesn't have a disk drive, so I wonder how limited the memory is. Please let me know if you have any info. Thanks, and again sorry for the cross post. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 10:30:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA24797; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:30:43 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA24791; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:30:40 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA29874; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:30:39 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA00591; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:27:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Looking for some buds (NON-Rave) To: Foustus@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <960112035715_39326546@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ^^^^ killer green ones? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 10:40:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA25571; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:40:38 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25565; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:40:35 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA23302; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:40:34 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA03338; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:36:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:36:34 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: A Suggestion To: Tim McDonnell cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9600128214.AA821487306@hwccgate.isltd.insignia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have noticed that people are hesitant to post directly to another person. I have done that and received no reply (but I still do it for off topic posts). I think (my opinion) that a lot of it is ego-centered. Everyone wants *everyone else* to hear what they are saying (a lot more dramatic) more than just face the one person. (See, I'm doing it right now :) ha ha :) I think I will shut up now and spare ya'all. cheers-n-such, kc On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Tim McDonnell wrote: > This is a good point, I would also recommend when repling to the E-mail do not > do a Carbon copy to SFRaves, just respond to that person. I fell if something > has too many contraversial(ms) opinions I try not to reply or answer them > because 8 of 10 times it will turn into a flame war. Not that each person > opinion is better then the others, it's just some people might have strange > feelings about something and when someone doesn't agree they might feel hurt or > something, > > Tim (knucklehead) > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Subject: A Suggestion > From: bayball@best.com (Alex) at hwsmtplink > Date: 1/12/96 1:52 AM > > I would like to make a suggestion, and I stress that that is all > this is, not a criticism. About the numerous flame wars that have taken > place: Email is a great and powerful tool, but it is not a great medium for > having constructive discussions when people fundamentally disagree on > certain issues (Jesus, I sound like a politician, don't I. Oh, well!) > When there is no immediate resonse or contact it is much easier to > exaggerate points and degenerate into name calling. May I suggest that > when two people have a disagreement they exchange phone numbers and discuss > by voice in real time, when it is easier to remember that you are talking > with another person who deserves respect, just as you do. I'm sorry if it > sounds like I'm on my high horse here. This is only a respectful > suggestion. Peace. > Alex > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 11:10:12 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA28027; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:10:12 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA27997; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:10:01 -0800 Received: from svpal.org (root@svpal.svpal.org [204.118.32.56]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA02065 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:46:53 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tanyd-000D7uC; Fri, 12 Jan 96 10:13 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:13:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Reply-To: Tom Leichardt Subject: Re: newbies! To: Dimitri K Gortinsky cc: John Draper , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Dimitri K Gortinsky wrote: > i think you are correct....i have to apologize for my past post for > jumping to conclusions..... > dimitri > it wasnt a flame of any sort, i was just saying that the gays/lesbians did contruibute to house music. but wether they did or didnt, i still respect them as people. evolution, harmony, respect:) tom > > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Tom Leichardt wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Dimitri K Gortinsky wrote: > > > are you talking about spundae? > > > please dont use derrodatory (got a fucked up key pad) derrogatory terms > > > when you are refering to gays and lesbians..they have every right to have > > > a club for themselves or at least a place where they are safe and can dance. > > > yes maybe the price is steep but look back at history and think of all > > > the clubs which guided house to where it is now and see how many of them > > > are primarily gay/lesbian clubs.... > > > excuse my ranting... > > > dimitri > > > On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, John Draper wrote: > > > > Oh goody!! I didn't want to go to that "Price inflated queers > > > > thingie" anyway. > > > > > > > > Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was > > > > bad... > > > > *just a question to the educated* > > didnt house music originate in the gay/lesbian bars and clubs of detroit in > > the late 80's, later to be exported to england where it was tweaked and > > worked with to come back to SF around 1990. (?) > > thats the story i heard, abbreviated a little. > > correct me if im wrong. > > > > evolution, with respect to our past:) tom > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 11:29:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA29922; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:29:01 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA29907; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:28:59 -0800 From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199601121928.LAA29907@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: newbies! To: djtom@svpal.org (Tom Leichardt) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:28:59 -0800 (PST) Cc: myself@cats.ucsc.edu, crunch@well.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Tom Leichardt" at Jan 11, 96 03:28:56 pm Organization: Future Productions (SF/Detroit) Phone: 415/208-2770 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1441 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Tom Leichardt: -> -> *just a question to the educated* ->didnt house music originate in the gay/lesbian bars and clubs of detroit in ->the late 80's, later to be exported to england where it was tweaked and ->worked with to come back to SF around 1990. (?) -> thats the story i heard, abbreviated a little. -> correct me if im wrong. -> ->evolution, with respect to our past:) tom -> House progressed from disco, mainly played at gay dance clubs in Chicago and New York (early 80's). Teechno grew up in Detroit, being a blend of Chicago House, Kraftwerk, P-Funk, gospel, etc. Detroit Techno's first outlet was in the house clubs in Chicago, as that audience was most receptive to repetitve electronic dance music. Another strain of Detroit Techno was more blended with New York Hip Hop & Electro, and never really got big, but is being looked back on now as years ahead of it's time. England took Chicago House (often refered to as acid house) and Detroit Techno, added all their drugs, and exported it back to the States. Now, kids here read about 10,000 person "Summer of Love" festival parties, and they all rush to check out this latest crazy music from England... Of course, there's a lot more to the story... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 12:10:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA03030; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:10:37 -0800 Received: from sco.sco.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA03025; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:10:34 -0800 Received: from tehama.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa16402; 12 Jan 96 12:07 PST Received: from andrewk.pdev.sco.COM by tehama.sco.com id aa00200; 12 Jan 96 12:06 PST From: Andrew Knutsen To: blkadder@value.net, lxfogel@srv.pacbell.com Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared Cc: geoffw@nexsys.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: ScoMail 3.0.Bd MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:58:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9601121158.aa21405@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Also, cable modems will soon give us bandwidth over our coaxial > > cables that will also blow ISDN away. > > One-way bandwidth in any implementation I have heard about. Several years ago someone told me about a prototype set-top box they had with four connections: cable for downlink and TV, telco for uplink, and 10baseT for the computer. Obviously not yet a consumer item (but wait till Bill gets serious with NBCfn). However I seem to recall the current experimental interactive TV implementations use a similar model. BTW re ISDN rates, don't forget Centrex service. In this model you and your ISP are on two extensions of the same line, so you are always connected. The only people I know who use this run their own WWW sites. Andrew ----------------------------------------- Andrew Knutsen andrewk@sco.com Santa Cruz Operation (408) 427-7538 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 12:20:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA03704; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:20:37 -0800 Received: from sco.sco.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA03699; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:20:34 -0800 Received: from tehama.pdev.sco.com by sco.sco.COM id aa17039; 12 Jan 96 12:17 PST Received: from andrewk.pdev.sco.COM by tehama.sco.com id aa00400; 12 Jan 96 12:16 PST From: Andrew Knutsen To: phred@well.com, brianvan@liberty.liberty.com, blkadder@value.net Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com, dpotter@starfleet.internex.net X-Mailer: ScoMail 3.0.Bd MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:07:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9601121207.aa21414@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Serial = ugh. Why don't we move comm over to parallel and SCSI where > it belongs? Copper sucks, gimme glass. So fast I don't care if its serial, and it works over real distances. SONET is real, its now, and its expensive :(. Andrew ----------------------------------------- Andrew Knutsen andrewk@sco.com Santa Cruz Operation (408) 427-7538 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 12:31:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04778; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:31:03 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA04682; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:30:55 -0800 Received: from default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.98]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27250 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:30:47 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960112203056.00696d48@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:30:56 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: ISDN Providers Comparison (Deviod Of Womyn, Why?) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; I'm just stating an observation, not making any judgements about gender. I'm just noticing that my Internet ISDN Topic is deviod of womyn responding, why? When I know we have some really sharp female SYSADmin/coders working out there that are on our list, just curious? 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 12:31:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA04917; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:31:57 -0800 Received: from ix.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA04905; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:31:52 -0800 Received: from by ix.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA08270; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:31:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:31:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199601122031.MAA08270@ix.ix.netcom.com> From: sunboy@ix.netcom.com (Matthew P. Korich ) Subject: Chrysalis last of info (bsp) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, I forgot to mention that Chrysalis is indoors, in the city, $12 pre-sale or the night of the event and are on sale at F-8 now, tomarrow, and the night of the event at the same location. It should be especially fun, we're working pretty hard to create more fun stuff for the event! Working tward planetary evolution - Feel it -Love! -Gateway Claire Korich / sunboy@ix.netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 12:40:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA06102; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:40:07 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA05971; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:39:57 -0800 Received: from default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.98]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27351 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:39:50 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960112204000.00690ab4@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:40:00 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: For A Better Vibe Dis Weeekend; Do Chrysalis Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Your rave diet lacking a little sweet & loving vibe, well go to Chrysalis Saturday the 13th. Presale tickets available at Frequency * on da Upper Upper Haight. Also, there will be a map point & tickets available there. But you can avoid da map point by going to F-8 either today or early Saturday. You would be sorry, and dat's WORD. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 12:44:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA07592; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:44:33 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA07587; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:44:29 -0800 Received: from default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.98]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27451 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:44:24 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960112204433.006a6eec@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:44:33 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Re: For A Better Vibe Dis Weeekend; Do Chrysalis Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Your rave diet lacking a little sweet & loving vibe, well go to Chrysalis Saturday the 13th. Presale tickets available at Frequency 8 on da Upper Upper Haight. Also, there will be a map point & tickets available there. But you can avoid da map point by going to F-8 either today or early Saturday. You won't be sorry, and dat's WORD. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 12:55:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA08611; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:55:00 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA08600; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:54:56 -0800 Received: from default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.98]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27561 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:54:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960112205458.006997a4@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:54:58 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Privacy Software Saved Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOIUR COMMAND; Go go go man........ FROM THE NEWSROOM @ LIBERTY BBS >PRETTY PRIVACY > >SAN FRANCISCO (ITN) * The government says it won't prosecute a software >writer whose program keeps internet communications secret. Philip >Zimmermann's Pretty Good Privacy encryption program makes computer messages >unreadable to anyone except the intended recipient. The government opposes >export of cryptographic technology because it makes monitoring electronic >communications overseas difficult. Domestic law enforcement agencies fear >such programs could keep them from eavesdropping on digital conversations. >Pretty Good Privacy is available on the World Wide Web at >http://www.epic.org/privacy/tools.html Another victory for da people, but the war is far from over. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 13:15:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA10413; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:15:55 -0800 Received: from tetons.examen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA10407; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:15:52 -0800 From: amyp@yosemite.examen.com Received: from examen.com by tetons.examen.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0taqp8-002CQpC; Fri, 12 Jan 96 13:15 PST Received: from pongo.examen.com by examen.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13193; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:15:55 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: EON Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 13:15: 6 PST Message-Id: <9601122115.0665D4@pongo.examen.com> X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Has anyone heard anything about EON on Saturday night? I am thinking about heading down to the city and EON sounds like a fun one. Super DJ Dimitry is going to be there and he is sooo good. Let me know any info. Thanks!:) peace,amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 13:18:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA10660; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:18:48 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10651; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:18:44 -0800 Received: from default (ppp402.liberty.com [206.17.67.98]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA27812 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:18:36 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960112211847.0069c034@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:18:47 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: ISDN Providers Comparison (Deviod Of Womyn, Why?) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; I'm just stating an observation, not making any judgements about gender. I'm just noticing that my Internet ISDN Topic is deviod of womyn responding, why? When I know we have some really sharp female SYSADmin/coders working out there that are on our list, just curious? 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 13:48:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA13173; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:48:23 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA13146; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:48:13 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id NAA01742; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:47:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:47:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199601122147.NAA01742@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: (NOT RAVE RELATED) Fwd: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is pretty cool idea to make a point regarding aids. just skip to the bottom and read it. The actual text is very short. Then forward it on, but leave all of the forwarding text. Rick >X-POP3-Rcpt: szriffle@peseta >From: GrnFaerie@aol.com >Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:06:59 -0500 >To: shebop@law.emory.edu, kaleja@rahul.net, banshee@resort.com, > zoseph@netcom.com, SABWEWUF@aol.com, IamSTORM@aol.com, > rdriffle@ucdavis.edu, KSPIRITS95@aol.com >Subject: Fwd: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) >Content-Length: 23430 > >bear with me....this is long...but go all the way through this and then e >mail it to everyone you know..... >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: juliasmi@usc.edu (Julia Smith) >To: 102707.362@compuserve.com >CC: jmacdonald@dmbb.com, jb13@ix.netcom.com, jcowder3@ua1vm.ua.edu, >grnfaerie@aol.com, sschmi02@colybrand.com, dlewis3@ua1ix.ua.edu, >jbarton@alston.cba.ua.edu, mpike3@ua1vm.ua.edu, chawkin3@ua1vm.ua.edu >Date: 96-01-11 22:44:46 EST > >It's OK to skip the middle once you get the idea. Julia > >>X-UIDL: 821408388.000 >>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:58:54 -0800 (PST) >>X-Sender: rebeccar@earth.usc.edu >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>To: ftdgc@aurora.alaska.edu, juliasmi@usc.edu, tellis@viaduct.custom.net, >> Bensellv@law.mail.cornell.edu, mjohnsso@cc.brynmawr.edu, >> Ntiques@aol.com, venditti@crucis.usc.edu, farrell@scf.usc.edu, >> nimm9536@uidaho.edu, hallamj@ipc.com, moffat@usc.edu, >nmfaser@usc.edu, >> schellen@usc.edu >>From: rebeccar@usc.edu (Rebecca Robinson) >>Subject: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) >> >>read to the end-it's an interesting test. >> >> >>>X-UIDL: 821407793.000 >>>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:22:35 -0600 (CST) >>>From: "S. Sayeed" >>>X-Sender: ssayeed@black.weeg.uiowa.edu >>>To: michael wollner , jeff ward , >>> richard stagliano , >>> becky robinson , >>> robert perkins , >>> sara newmann , >>> junaid mudaliar , >>> melissa mcewen , sara may >, >>> ludwig emmy , >>> martin jerome lobdell , >>> kevin j kearns , >>> bob henry , >>> Eileen birmingham , >>> tom and jen allbee <101352.2714@compuserve.com>, >>> kasia oneil , merrick hatcher , >>> samantha grillo , >>> michael feuerman , >>> nicole bragg , >>> david kent bissinger >>>Subject: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>> >>>this "experiment" is more than contrived in so far as a real transmission >>>requires something slightly more intimate than the information >>>superhighway...nevertheless, my pre-hippocratic oath beckons me to >>>support the original author's educational endeavor...skip to the end... >>> >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>Date: 11 Jan 1996 08:26:21 -0800 >>>From: andy luks >>>To: Scott Clay , >>> Kate Horst , Kim Johnson , >>> John Lang , >>> Jim Leathrum , Howard Luks , >>> Sandeep Mangalmurti , >>> John Mislow , Susan Oliver >, >>> Rob Perkins , >>> Sadath Sayeed , >>> Ron Willy , >>> Michael Wollner , >>> David Delfiner >>>Subject: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) >>> >>>Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>FW: Fwd: aids (fwd) >>> >>>This was passed on to me. It is very interesting. All the forward messages >>>have been left in for a reason. You will see when you get to the end. Happy >>>snow shovelling to my east coast friends. >>> >>>-------------------------------------- >>>Date: 1/10/96 5:33 PM >>>From: Amy Beth Zegart >>> >>> >>>I realize this is long, but it's for a good cause. Skip to the end, and >>>you'll see. Cheers,A >>> >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 16:46:00 PST >>>From: Masters, Brooke >>>To: 'Greg Barsness' , >>> "Brian H. Balogh" , >>> Blake Masters , >>> Elizabathe Niewoehner , >>> 'Hyungji Park' , >>> 'Jill Farry' , >>> Ben Miller , >>> 'Amy Zegart' >>>Subject: FW: Fwd: aids (fwd) >>> >>> >>>I know this is terribly long, but it seems interesting if you skip to the >>>bottom. >>> >>>Brooke >>> ---------- >>>From: EBEDELL >>>To: beccaq; matteddy; mastersb >>>Subject: Fwd: aids (fwd) >>>Date: Tuesday, January 09, 1996 9:53AM >>> >>> >>> >>> ----------- >>> Do scan to the bottom and read this; a worthwhile educational enterprise >>> --------------------- >>>Forwarded message: >>>Subj: Fwd: aids (fwd) >>>Date: 96-01-09 05:32:51 PST >>>From: Jvicinus >>>To: EBEDELL >>> >>> Read on! >>> --------------------- >>>Forwarded message: >>>From: mead@hooked.net (Adrian Lurssen) >>>To: filmlad2@aol.com >>>CC: aherot@wavenet.com, eliza@ella.mills.edu, crmto@aol.com, >>>tricycle@well.com, m51083@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw, agems@ix.netcom.com, >>>LaLazuli@aol.com, jvicinus@eworld.com >>>Date: 96-01-07 21:19:35 PST >>> >>>there is a good reason why you should read thru all of this long email. >>>stick with it to the end and then send it on. you'll see. adrian & merel. >>> >>>>>From Oculis6@aol.com Sun Dec 24 09:55:28 1995 >>>>From: Oculis6@aol.com >>>>Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 12:54:48 -0500 >>>>To: adunfee@indiana.edu, Michael_K._Gionis@csgi.com, Grifthodc@aol.com, >>>> RORNCRNP@aol.com, Swy1@aol.com, Nursharp@aol.com, >>>> 75467.2730@compuserve.com, HPWilliams@aol.com, Zimbobway@aol.com, >>>> mpablo@chanoff.ucsf.edu, mead@hooked.net, >>>> gpgeron@heartland.bradley.edu >>>>Subject: Fwd: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>>This is an ever-spiralling stream of e-mail messages; but, yes, there is a >>>>point. Just be patient and read the entire thing. Don't erase anything. >>>It's >>>>worth it. Jim. >>>>--------------------- >>>>Forwarded message: >>>>From: dannygwu@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Daniel K. Reed) >>>>To: jbaril@geometric.com (john baril), shaula@microsoft.com (shaula >>>doyle), >>>>Trilogy3@aol.com (edward feighan), oculis6@aol.com (jim kenney), >>>gapi@aol.com >>>>(mary kreck), AIDS8NTFUN@aol.com (bea and chris kerr), >>>SMAJMUD@wpo.it.luc.edu >>>>(sharmili majmudar), KMartin@WORLDBANK.ORG (kris martin), >>>>oliver@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (megan oliver), 76142.2030@compuserve.com (cindy >>>>and david reed-brown), jar@glib.org (jennefer russo), >>>>regina@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (regina sackrider), sisdss@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu >>>(dan >>>>sheterom), DCSue95@aol.com (sue starkweather), DCScottie@aol.com (scott >>>>smiley), sasha@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Sasha Danielle Kennison), >>>>jbt1939@is.nyu.edu (jessica tighe), lyouens@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (laura >>>>youens), VASports@aol.com (kirk penberthy), MALEinMICH@aol.com (brian >>>>kaufmann) >>>>Date: 95-12-20 15:25:41 EST >>>> >>>>Hello all my friends. >>>>1) Merry Christmas or Happy Hanukah, whichever. >>>>2) This is a forwarded message I received. I would ask you all to read it >>>>carefully and send it on to your email people, if you are comfortable >>>>doing so. It is important that you do not delete any of the forwarded >>>>addresses - this may seem silly, but it will make sense after you read the >>>>final message. Thanks for doing this. >>>>Love and Contemplation, >>>>Daniel Reed >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:26:44 -0500 (EST) >>>>From: Jacqueline Marie Gruninger >>>>To: AIDS List , dannygwu@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, >>>> ekrevitz@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, fa2027@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, >>>> floydg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, hartmanc@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, >>>> katiegun@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, laila@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, >>>> maneatr@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, mathomas@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, >>>> melon@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, moneil@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, >>>> mproser@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, pranathi@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, >>>> rdonner@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, shmoe@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu >>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>>Hey, gals, Chrissie sent this and I thought you all should read it. It's >>>>very eye opening. Maybe we could do somthing similar on e-mail during >>>>AIDS Awareness Week. Scroll through all the fwd, there are aobut 10 of >>>them. >>>> >>>>Also could you all e-mail me your birthdays? Happy HOlidays. >>>> >>>>Jacci Gruninger >>>>Wellness Program Coordinator >>>>The George Washington University >>>>600 22nd Street, NW >>>>Washington, DC 20052 >>>>202/994-8000 >>>>jaxx@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu >>>> >>>>An angel's heart sees everything as it really is and accepts it with love >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:15:31 -0500 (EST) >>>>From: Christina Noel Juliano >>>>To: Friends >>>>Cc: Ashley Turba , >>>> Courtney Lynn Cooley , >>>> Kim dennis , >>>> Kylie Elizabeth Olean , >>>> Lauren Marie Kathleen Sweeney , >>>> Amy Kroll , >>>> Caroline Juliano , >>>> Heather Lang , >>>> Deb Lang , >>>> Christine Mc Carthy , >>>> Jacci G >>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>> >>>>HI you all :) >>>>This is an experiment, so none if the forwards have been erased.... just >>>>space down, you will understand :) >>>>Jacci-- You might wanna forward this to the AIDS list, I don't know >>>>everybody's address. >>>>Chrissie :) >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) >>>>From: Stacey Anne Shubitz >>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>>There is a good reason why the forwards on here are not deleted. Bear >>>>with pressing down your spacebar. It is kind of interesting to see what >>>>awaits you at the very end. >>>> >>>> Stacey >>>> >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>~~ >>>~ >>>> >>>>"Friendship improves happiness, and abates misery, by doubling our joy, >>>>and dividing our grief." --Joseph Addison >>>> >>>>Stacey Anne Shubitz >>>>202/676-2440 >>>>shubey@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>~~ >>>~ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:58:51 -0500 (EST) >>>>From: Marisa Morgan >>>>To: ah749@osfn.rhilinet.gov, daross@artsci.wustl.edu, >>>> emollick@fas.harvard.edu, Liz Perlman , >>>> IRMGym@aol.com, jlpelc@artsci.wustl.edu, >>>> Jennifer Madan , >>>> "Yoni (aka Jonathan Oriole)" , >>>> kapavlik@students.wisc.edu, kljacobs@artsci.wustl.edu, korus@aol.com, >>>> Katherine Peter , >>>> Marshall , >>>> TeX the Mighty , >>>> Renuka_Jain@postoffice.brown.edu, ruprecht@augsburg.edu, >>>> Ruth Wiseman , shubey@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu, >>>> ssoh6491@uriacc.uri.edu >>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>>sorry, I just thought that this was an interesting experiment. >>>>marisa >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:20:36 -0600 (CST) >>>>From: Brian Stuhlman >>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>> >>>>I'm just doing as I'm told. >>>>Brian >>>> >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 12:14:22 -0600 (CST) >>>>From: Sarah Grossmeier >>>>To: Sarah Zapp , >>>> Chris Collier , >>>> Chancellor's Leadership Class -- Amy Corsale >>>> , >>>> Amy Edgar , >>>> Angie Habjan , >>>> Brian Stuhlman , >>>> Bryce Oates , >>>> Chancellor's Leadership Class -- Matt Bergman >>>> , >>>> Charlaya Campbell , >>>> Chris Hemeyer , >>>> Denise Schlake , >>>> Eddie Greim , >>>> Erin Zurface , >>>> Heather Eppard , >>>> Jason Nickell , >>>> Jeff Bradley , >>>> Jen Hodits , >>>> Jenni Linebarger , >>>> Jessica Savage , >>>> Jillian Jones , >>>> Josh Hayes , >>>> Julie Lester , >>>> Larry Horton , >>>> Linda Buchheit , >>>> Lisa Heiman , >>>> Mark Saccaro , >>>> Matt Metcalf , >>>> Nancy Wheeler , >>>> Nick Salvucci , >>>> Ruth Smalley , >>>> Ryan Falline , >>>> Scott Brees , >>>> Scott Brinker , >>>> Stefania Eden , >>>> Sunny Sestrich , >>>> Suzy Todd , >>>> Tejas Shah , >>>> Sabrina Bukstein >>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>> >>>>HEY YA'LL, >>>> PLEASE DO THIS! IT WON'T TAKE LONG AND IT'S FOR SOME >>>>GUYS CLASS! >>>> HOPE YA'LL HAVE A GREAT CHRISTMAS BREAK! >>>> >>>> SARAH >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:50:27 -0400 (EDT) >>>>From: Christina Ha >>>>To: Stefanie McCollum , >>>> Sarah Grossmeier , >>>> Sabrina Bukstein , >>>> paula fernandez , >>>> Meredith Deatz >>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>>This is an experiment for a person's class. It isn't hard, but I'm sure >>>>he'd appreciate it if you did it. >>>> >>>> >>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:03:12 -0500 >>>>From: Tracey Bohannon >>>>To: cyha@fas.harvard.edu, fu@fas.harvard.edu, skiba@fas.harvard.edu, >>>> btsui@fas.harvard.edu, kcho@fas.harvard.edu, swain@fas.harvard.edu, >>>> jptsai@fas.harvard.edu, mlgibson@fas.harvard.edu >>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>> >>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:27:20 -0500 (EST) >>>>>From: William Moss >>>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>>>To: Pennypacker 3rd Floor -- Tracey Bohannon , >>>>> Gustavo Torres , >>>>> Jonathan Hahn , >>>>> Michael Cohen , >>>>> Marcine Perry , >>>>> Gabrielle Novacek , >>>>> Todd Morgan >>>>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:17:12 -0500 (EST) >>>>>From: Joanna Case >>>>>To: a34-list@husc.harvard.edu >>>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>>> >>>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:48:02 -0500 (EST) >>>>>>From: Sarah Rodriguez >>>>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>>>>To: Holworthy Central Cool People , >>>>>> aywong@husc.harvard.edu, cjshaw@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> eawheel@husc.harvard.edu, famadas@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> hussain@husc.harvard.edu, kopelson@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> laskey@husc.harvard.edu, obst@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> pliakas@husc.harvard.edu, quinn@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> saif@husc.harvard.edu, singh2@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> smccorm@husc.harvard.edu, stetzer@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> thkim@husc.harvard.edu, vwlau@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> weinberg@husc.harvard.edu, gutierr@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> hebrown@husc.harvard.edu, jcase@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> mjcohen@husc.harvard.edu, tmrobert@husc.harvard.edu, >>>>>> ytsang@husc.harvard.edu >>>>>>Content-ID: >>>>>> >>>>>>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >>>>>>Content-ID: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:28:37 -0500 (EST) >>>>>>From: Scott Landsman >>>>>>To: Paul Abelsky , >>>>>> Marci Bellows , >>>>>> Andrew Bloch , >>>>>> Daryn David , >>>>>> Jon DeVenecia , >>>>>> Lauren Dibiase , >>>>>> Ian Fischer , >>>>>> Joe Freedman , >>>>>> Steve Gadlin , >>>>>> Rishi Garg , >>>>>> Jessica Grubman , >>>>>> Scott Kanter , >>>>>> Joel Pollak , >>>>>> Sarah Rodriguez , >>>>>> Jon Shanes , >>>>>> David Silverstein , >>>>>> Rachel Thompson , >>>>>> David Turnquist , >>>>>> Stephanie , >>>>>> Nicole Ruttkay , >>>>>> Allison Hoyt >>>>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>>>> >>>>>>Condoms my children, condoms... >>>>>> >>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 00:20:55 -0600 (CST) >>>>>>From: Jaclyn Iris Pryor >>>>>>To: l-segal@students.uiuc.edu, l-pryor@students.uiuc.edu, >>>>>> umwalney@midway.uchicago.edu, uncscott@email.unc.edu, >>>>>> poholsky@husc.harvard.edu >>>>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 19:58:36 -0600 (CST) >>>>>>From: Jeremy Herric Kramer >>>>>>To: rachel byer , >>>>>> jaclyn pryor , >>>>>> christine ferrantelli , >>>>>> margo cohn , >>>>>> meredith cohn , >>>>>> aryn grossman >>>>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:16:30 CDT >>>>>>From: JWS006%ACAD@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU >>>>>>Subject: aids forwarded >>>>>>To: TLB013@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU >>>>>>X-VMS-To: TLB013 >>>>>>X-VMS-Cc: >>>>>> >>>>>>From: IN%"lferris@indiana.edu" "laura elizabeth ferris" 7-DEC-1995 >>>>>17:51:04.38 >>>>>>To: IN%"gollan@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu", >>>IN%"mgranado@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu", >>>>>IN%"JWS006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU", IN%"mariegeo@aol.com", IN%"jbpettit@indiana", >>>>>IN%"jmessmer@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu", IN%"jaimee@falcon.cc.ukans.edu", >>>>>IN%"n-kuhn@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu", IN%"u27 >>>>>>CC: >>>>>>Subj: aids (fwd) >>>>>> >>>>>>Return-path: >>>>>>Received: from roatan.ucs.indiana.edu (roatan.ucs.indiana.edu) >>>>>> by ACAD.DRAKE.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #11108) id >>>><01HYJ98PI1LS0083CN@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU> >>>>>> for JWS006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU; Thu, 07 Dec 1995 17:51:02 -0500 (CDT) >>>>>>Received: from ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu >>>>>> (lferris@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.44]) by >>>roatan.ucs.indiana.edu >>>>>> (8.7/8.7/1.10IUPO) with ESMTP id SAA32147; Thu, >>>>>> 07 Dec 1995 18:50:57 -0500 (EST) >>>>>>Received: (from lferris@localhost) by ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu >>>>>> (8.7/8.7/regexp($Revision: 1.3 $) id SAA03671; Thu, 07 Dec 1995 >18:50:56 >>>>>>-0500 >>>>>> (EST) >>>>>>Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 18:50:56 -0500 (EST) >>>>>>From: laura elizabeth ferris >>>>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>>>>X-Sender: lferris@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu >>>>>>To: gollan@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu, mgranado@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu, >>>>>> JWS006@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU, mariegeo@aol.com, jbpettit@indiana, >>>>>> jmessmer@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu, jaimee@falcon.cc.ukans.edu, >>>>>> n-kuhn@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu, ann elizabeth mellish >>>>>>Message-id: >>>> >>>>>>MIME-version: 1.0 >>>>>>Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >>>>>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:43:02 -0500 (EST) >>>>>>From: jenna catherine murphy >>>>>>Cc: lferris@ophelia.ucs.indiana.edu >>>>>>Subject: aids (fwd) >>>>>> >>>>>>This is from one of my HS friends in Connecticut, so pass it to >everyone >>>>>>you know! >>>>>> >>>>>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 16:45:24 EWT >>>>>>From: KEESLER >>>>>>To: jcmurphy@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu >>>>>>Subject: aids >>>>>> >>>>>>For a class project, I was wondering if this could be passed on to prove >>>>>>a point. In my human sex class, we learned that if someone has received >>>>>>the HIV disease, and they don't know about it, they could pass it on to >>>>>>people who they don't even know. >>>>>> Could you all pretend that I have HIV, and I gave it to you. >>>>>>Then could you pass it on to your friends? Let's see if the entire >>>>>>e-mail population could get infected by me alone. >>>>>> Please remember that this is a lab experiment. I have to say >>>>>>that I am not intending to offend any one in any way. >>>>>> By the way, don't erase this or the forwards from your computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thankyou >>>>>>Young bradley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>-------------- >>>>>Joanna H. Case >>>>>1178 Harvard Yard Mail/02138 >>>>>(617)493-3575 >>>>>jcase@fas.harvard.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_____________________________ >>>http://www.hooked.net/users/mead/ >>>Adrian Lurssen Merel Kennedy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ >>>Received: by Quickmail with Mail*Link SMTP;10 Jan 1996 17:32:13 -0800 >>>Received: (from zegart@localhost) by wisdom.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id >>>RAA12176; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:26:34 -0800 (PST) >>>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 17:26:34 -0800 (PST) >>>From: Amy Beth Zegart >>>To: andy luks , >>> craig mallery , "Austin S. Lin" >>>, >>> patty mallery <72420.1144@compuserve.com>, >>> kathleen mallery buckstaff , >>> rui de figuereido , >>> jenna bednar , >chappie@leland.Stanford.EDU >>>Subject: FW: Fwd: aids (fwd) >>>Message-ID: >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:09:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15070; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:09:30 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15056; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:09:25 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Thomas To: Andrew Knutsen cc: blkadder@value.net, lxfogel@srv.PacBell.com, geoffw@nexsys.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared In-Reply-To: <9601121158.aa21405@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There's a prototype high-speed (10 megabits/sec.!) cable ISP starting up in sunnyvale, check www.home.net for details... Andy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:10:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15142; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:10:11 -0800 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15135; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:10:02 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07095 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:09:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:09:25 -0500 Message-ID: <960112170925_60266769@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: flame issue:email v. post,etc. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You wrote: ...when repling to the E-mail do not do a Carbon copy to SFRaves, just respond to that person...... & You: ...Email is a great and powerful tool, but it is not a great medium for having constructive discussions... Let us remember the goal of this board... now just what was that? I am 2 days new to sfraves, and quite happy about joining!:) the discussions I see taking place renew my enthusiasm, and give my idealistic hope for humanity a direly needed boost. These discussions, or flames, or whatever they are, serve a great purpose. The point is that we ARE talking about the issues, in an open forum. This is benneficial to not only the participants, but to all the me's out there putting our gears of thought in motion. Political, spiritual, social, whatever! Never be afraid to express yourself freely and honestly! (not at all saying the prev. posts suggest otherwise) PROBLEM: Where things get a bit grey, is determining what means of address we should use, and once an issue expressed, and it becomes a personal discussion, at what point should it be taken out of the main stream of idea exchange and put into a more private environment, (i.e. direct e-mail, phone conv., etc.). SOLUTION?: As I said, I'm quite new to the whole proccess, but it sure seems that there should be some way of giving subscribers more of a choice of distibution and reception of postings. For example, having several "halls" withing sfraves, each having a specialty interest: music, political, social, personal etc.,. My idea also involves the user being able to filter the posts he recieves, and somehow being able to "tag" a particular discsussion, so that one can chose to follow that discussion, and recieve all posts concerning it. Now I suppose it's possible that all this exists, and has for some time, and that I'd be better off reading my manuals than writing this. And I suppose it'salso possible that this post may be a far too dragged out way of saying "Hello sfraves, my names is Steveo, and I like to talk!" But hey, this is the type of free expression I'm talkin about. : ) Fill me in if anyone can relate, but it's your decision on what method to use. : ) P.S. Christmas was grand, as was the last night of december, but Martin Luther King was a man to remember! Love & life, Steveo (independent graphics) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:13:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15456; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:13:57 -0800 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15451; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:13:52 -0800 Received: from geoduck.UCSD.EDU by mail.ucsd.edu; id OAA15237 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:13:49 -0800 for Received: by geoduck.UCSD.EDU (4.1/UCSDPSEUDO.3) id AA21624 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 12 Jan 96 14:10:30 PST From: keihan@mpl.UCSD.EDU (Keihan Rafii) Message-Id: <9601122210.AA21624@geoduck.UCSD.EDU> Subject: not rave related-petition To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:10:30 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 9246 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > >* ! * ! * SIGN THIS PETITION IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, > > THE DESERT, PROTECTION OF PRISTINE WILDERNESS AREAS * ! * ! * > > > >As the following editorial from the New York Times states, two very, > >very bad bills (HR 1745 and its senate counterpart S884), are currently > >proposing wilderness annihilation in the beautiful desert lands of > >Utah. Read the following article if you want more details. This is a > >NATIONAL issue, and an issue of misrepresentation-- the people of > >Utah do not want this bill passed and their representatives are not > >listening. > > > >PLEASE SIGN YOUR NAME TO THIS LIST AND SEND IT ON TO 5 OTHER PEOPLE. > > > >IF YOU ARE A TENTH PERSON TO SIGN YOUR NAME, FORWARD THE LIST BACK TO: > > > > > > whittle@owlnet.rice.edu > > > >(i.e. the 10th, 20th, 30th person will forward this message to me in > >progress) > > > >I will compile the petition and send it to the important senators, etc. > > > >--------Editorial in the New York Times, November 15, 1995---------------- > > > >. . .There is another test just around the corner. Companion bills in the > >House and Senate would take about 22 million acres of Federal land in Utah > >nowrun by the Federal Bureau of Land Management,give wilderness > >protection to a mere 1.8 million acres in southeastern Utah's fabled > >canyonlands and open the rest to mining, road-building and development. > > > >The bills are sponsored by Representative James Hansen and Senator Orrin > >Hatch, both Utah Republicans. A competing bill sponsored by Representative > >Maurice Hinchey of New York is much better. It would protect 5.7 million > >acres, which environmentalists think is the minimum require maintain the > >integrity of the canyonlands. According to several polls, Utah's > >rank-and-file citizens prefer the Hinchey approach and believe that there > >is more to be gained from tourism if the terrain is left alone than from > >bulldozing some of the nation's most fragile and scenic lands. But Utah's > >Congressional delegation prefers the bulldozer. > > > >Critics of the Hatch-Hansen bill have two further complaints. First, it > >would undermine the intent of the 1964 Wilderness Act--an act that > >designates wilderness as a place "where man himself is but a visitor"--by > >allowing development even in the 1.8 million protected acres. Second, it > >forecloses the possibility of future wilderness designations. The B.L.M. > >will continue to manage the 20 million Utah acres left unprotected by the > >Hansen-Hatch bills. But the bills say the land must hence- forth be > >reserved for commercial users. Wilderness designation will no longer be an > >option. Finally, victory for the Hansen-Hatch bills could provide smoother > >sailing for other measures that are aimed at stripping the Federal > >Government of control over public lands. The most brazen of these are > >identical bills sponsored by Senator Craig Thomas, Republican of Wyoming, > >and Mr. Hansen that would transfer to the states every single acre managed > >anywhere by the B.L.M., some 270 million acres in all. A variant has been > >offered by Senator Conrad Burns, Republican of Montana, who would > >establish a commission to identify national forests and other public lands > >that could be sold or transferred to the states or private interest. The > >Thomas-Hansen measure proposes a give-away. The Burns bill threatens a > >national yard sale of the country's natural heirlooms. Mr. Thomas says the > >lands would be better administered "by the people who truly understand the > >needs of local citizens. That, of course, means Western state > >legislatures, which tend to be far more inclined to exploit public > >resources for commercial gain than even this Congress. > > > >These are destructive ideas, and the only sure way to stop them is to send > >a clear conservationist signal by defeating the Utah lands bill. The main > >hope is on the House floor, where a growing group of moderate Republicans > >is having strong second thoughts about legislation that endangers the > >environment. The preservation of a sound national public lands strategy > >may lie in their hands. > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >PETITION BEGINS HERE: > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >"I do not support wilderness annihilation bills HR 1745 and S884. I > >am in favor of Senator Hinchey's and the Utah citizen's proposal to > >designate AT LEAST 5.7 million acres of PROTECTED wilderness in > >southern Utah." > > > ># NAME E-MAIL (not obligatory) PLACE OF RESIDENCE > > > >1. Elizabeth Whittlesey whittle@owlnet.rice.edu TX (orig UT) > >2. Cori Nelson corin@leland.stanford.edu CA (orig UT) > >3. Erin Johnson ejohnson@minerva.cis.yale.edu CT (orig UT) > >4. Sung-Min Chung sucker@minerva.cis.yale.edu CT (orig MD) > >5. Thomas Socci NY > >6. Sofia Yakren NY > >7. Elizabeth Kanter MA (orig NJ) > >8. Amelia Kaplan akaplan@fas.harvard.edu NJ > >9. Emily Hobson ehobson@fas.harvard.edu CA > >10. Adam Dylan Hefty hefty@fas.harvard.edu KS > >11. Eric Albert edalbert@fas.har vard.edu NJ > >12. Daniel Mason dmason@fas.harvard.edu CA > >13. Joshua Mooney moondog@dartmouth.edu CA > >14. Erica Brandling-Bennett beeb@dartmouth.edu VA > >15. Allison Brugg Alli.Brugg@Dartmouth.edu CT > >16. Leah Campbell Cams@Dartmouth.edu NY > >17. Tamar Kraft-Stolar tk38@cornell.edu NY > >18. Zoe Weinrobe zrw1@cornell.edu MA > >19. Anna Spraycar ams40@cornell.edu MD > >20. Jessica Shattuck MD > >21. Karen E. Thomas kethomas@phoenix.princeton.edu CA > >22. Steven W. Thomas RI > >23. Chris Harley harley@zoology.washington.edu WA > >24. Jennie Hoffman WA > >25. Eric Sanford sanforde@bcc.orst.edu OR > >26. Philip Brownell brownell@bcc.orst.edu OR > >27. Ben Brownell bbrownell@pomona.edu OR > >28. Brian Cross bcross@pomona.edu CA > >29. Nathaniel Gilbert ngilbert@pomona.edu CA (orig WA) > >30. David Severson severson@lclark.edu OR (orig WA) > >31. Benjamin Kalm kalm@lclark.edu UT > >32. Sandy Kalm sk637@bard.edu UT > >33. Tiare Sheller ts396@bard.edu WA > >34. Nathan Sheller ns573@bard.edu WA > >35. Joel Krist joelkr@microsoft.com WA > >36. Kym Krist WA > >37. Angela Linse linse@u.washington.edu WA > >38. Barbara Knox-Seith bknoxs@scn.org WA > >39. Lisa Dabek ldabek@fish.washington.edu WA > >40. Tamara Jackson instruct@fish.washington.edu WA > >41. Alyssa Reischauer alyssar@fish.washington.edu WA > >42. Robert Bellsey bellsey@brahms.biosci.arizona.edu AZ > >43. A. Ellinor Michel emichel@umich.edu MI (reg. AZ) > >45. Sara Roos roos@hsc.usc.edu CA > >46. David Roos droos@sas.upenn.edu PA > >47. Buddy Ullman ullmanb@ohsu.edu OR > >48. Mike Litt litt@ohsu.edu OR > >49. Barbara Litt PA > >50. Fredrika Moser CA > >51. Nina Grove grove.nina@gene.com CA > >52. Ken Hitchner hitchner.ken@gene.com CA > >53. Lew Hitchner hitchner@netcom.com CA > >54. Jules Bloomenthal julesb@microsoft.com WA (orig. Utah) > >55. Ken Musgrave musgrave@seas.gwu.edu VA > >56. Beth Musgrave musgrave@seas.gwu.edu VA > >57. Glenn Davis throbdobbs@aol.com CA > >58. Laurel Levesque llevesqu@stem.com CA > >59. Ed Cohen edcohen@uclink2.berkeley.edu CA > >60. Sara Duckler CA > >61. Richard Millet CA > >62. Jennifer Kaufman CA > >63.Paul Budnitz Berkeley, CA > >64. Christian Svanes-Kolding cksd@sirius.com CA > >65. Christopher Hurwitz, peachy@alumni.caltech.edu CA > >66. David Carta dcarta@ucsd.edu CA > > > __________ > / /\ David Carta Office: 6603EBU1 > | / / > | / / e-mail: dcarta@ucsd.edu > |/ / arta phone: (H) 619-622-0757 (W) 619-627-4503 > /____/ WWW: http://sunshine.ucsd.edu/~dcarta/ > > -- wwyw, {*-*-} phone: (619) 534-7409 | < ) email: krafii@ucsd.edu l`-'/ |^| From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:14:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15524; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:14:50 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA15515; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:14:45 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15420(1)>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:13:50 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <5436>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:12:08 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA821484794; Fri, 12 Jan 96 14:11:49 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:11:49 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9600128214.AA821484794@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: RE: Aids Msg Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rick, Shame on you--infecting an entire population of ~300 ravers with one virtual kiss. So much for the love we spread while raving. Be careful and next time get our consent ;) Hugs, (but no swapping spit!) Diane From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:17:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15693; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:17:11 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA15687; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:17:06 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15349(3)>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:16:18 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <5437>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:16:03 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA821485034; Fri, 12 Jan 96 14:15:55 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:15:55 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9600128214.AA821485034@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: amyp@yosemite.examen.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: EON Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm another person who's very interested in the dj line up for EON but don't know much about the promoters and what they've done in the past. Anyone out there care to fill us in? Since I'm working Monday, I might just go to this instead of Spundae. And yeah, I know I'm passing up the +vibe+ of Chrysalis but sometimes I just gotta freak! Cheers! Diane ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: EON Author: amyp@yosemite.examen.com at beluga-mail Date: 1/12/96 1:23 PM Has anyone heard anything about EON on Saturday night? I am thinking about heading down to the city and EON sounds like a fun one. Super DJ Dimitry is going to be there and he is sooo good. Let me know any info. Thanks!:) peace,amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:25:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA16304; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:25:02 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA16293; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:24:59 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA168165117; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:18:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Chrysalis To: Shawna McGourty Cc: SFRAVES@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601120321.TAA13063@ix13.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Shawna McGourty wrote: > Hey all! > > Well looks like Chrysalis on saturday is gonna be the soup du jour for > me, was wondering who else is gonna be there so I can meet some of you > that I haven't met before! Well, we've met before Shawna, and I shall be there with Wayne and my friends Melanie and Omar. Hope to meet some more new sfravers - as usual, I shall be wearing my laminate - and hey, I've noticed some of you haven't been wearing yours! Sure we know quite a few of us in the internet circle, but there are still other newbies who haven't met us yet. Don't get worn out on wearing them yet - they are so hip and cool looking! :P See you all Saturday! love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:40:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17285; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:40:59 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17279; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:40:52 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id UAA16445 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:36:16 -0200 Received: from du-28.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-28.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.28]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id UAA24994 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:36:14 -0200 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:36:14 -0200 Message-Id: <199601122236.UAA24994@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: Some DJs have big egos.. Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For a while, i started noticing that many DJs are really different ppl. At least while they talk about music and stuff. Some have huge egos, I guess... Do you guys agree ??? or not??? Did you actually meet DJs who were very cool and nice?? or were idiots and egomaniacs??? :) DIRCEU - I am a DJ too, but I don't know if my ego is big - Don't have a ruler :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:41:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA17333; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:41:22 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17328; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:41:19 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA00503 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:43:26 GMT Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA24817 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:41:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199601122241.OAA24817@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:02:14 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: Chrysalis X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> Well looks like Chrysalis on saturday is gonna be the soup du jour for >> me, was wondering who else is gonna be there so I can meet some of you >> that I haven't met before! > >Well, we've met before Shawna, and I shall be there with Wayne and my >friends Melanie and Omar. Geez, isn't anyone going to Spundae? I'm going out of town during Chrysalis... S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:51:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18029; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:51:33 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA18018; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:51:30 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id OAA13032; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:51:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:51:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199601122251.OAA13032@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: This Saturday: Synthetic X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk There is a party going on in Sacramento this Saturday called SYNTHETIC. DJ's include: Graeme FLX (hiwaii) Jon Williams Wizard SHO Ambient space Rig-a-tony Fil Rick Jonny The only problem is I don't have an information number which makes this information pretty useless. I'm playing ambient there, but my contact hasn't returned my call yet. I'll post the number when I get it. I figured that if anyone from the Sac area didn't want to drive all the way to the city, they would know they had an alternate choice. Hope to see someone...anyone there. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 14:59:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18639; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:59:29 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA18631; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:59:26 -0800 From: Robert Smith Message-Id: <199601122259.OAA18631@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared To: andrewk@sco.COM (Andrew Knutsen) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 14:59:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: phred@well.com, brianvan@liberty.liberty.com, blkadder@value.net, sfraves@hyperreal.com, dpotter@starfleet.internex.net In-Reply-To: <9601121207.aa21414@andrewk.pdev.sco.com> from "Andrew Knutsen" at Jan 12, 96 12:07:10 pm Organization: Future Productions (SF/Detroit) Phone: 415/208-2770 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 466 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM Andrew Knutsen: -> -> Copper sucks, gimme glass. So fast I don't care if its serial, and it ->works over real distances. SONET is real, its now, and its expensive :(. -> Um, CDDI is of equivalent sppeds to FDDI, with a much lower install cost... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 15:04:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19146; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:04:07 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA19137; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:04:01 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA02760; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:05:54 GMT Received: (robj@localhost) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) id PAA05990; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:03:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:03:49 -0800 From: Rob Jellinghaus Message-Id: <199601122303.PAA05990@shellx.best.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: (NOT RAVE RELATED) Fwd: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This forward is cute. All I can say is if I had sex as often as I send email, I'd be even MORE careful about using protection :-) Rob Rob Jellinghaus robj@best.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 15:06:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA19297; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:06:26 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA19290; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:06:22 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:06:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:05:53 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: Chrysalis Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 3:02 PM 1/12/96, SDream wrote: >>> Well looks like Chrysalis on saturday is gonna be the soup du jour for >>> me, was wondering who else is gonna be there so I can meet some of you >>> that I haven't met before! >> >>Well, we've met before Shawna, and I shall be there with Wayne and my >>friends Melanie and Omar. > >Geez, isn't anyone going to Spundae? I'm going out of town during >Chrysalis... > >S I'm probably going to Spundae too... I'll see how I feel after a week of MacWorld Expo + all the related parties, moving, more moving, Chrysalis, and a definite lack of sleep! ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 15:21:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20161; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:21:02 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20147; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:20:59 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA01744; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:28:08 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Dirceu Pereira cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Some DJs have big egos.. In-Reply-To: <199601122236.UAA24994@fama.ibase.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Dirceu Pereira wrote: > For a while, i started noticing that many DJs are really different ppl. At least while they talk about music and stuff. Some have huge egos, I guess... > > Do you guys agree ??? or not??? Did you actually meet DJs who were very cool and nice?? > or were idiots and egomaniacs??? >>>>> Ethan and Galen are sweet hearts<<<<<<<<< luv- Reagan > > :) > DIRCEU - I am a DJ too, but I don't know if my ego is big - Don't have a ruler :) > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 15:32:38 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA20907; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:32:38 -0800 Received: from redshift.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20902; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:32:36 -0800 Received: from [165.227.94.103] (red103.redshift.com [165.227.94.103]) by redshift.com (8.6.9/8.7.3.ou812) with SMTP id QAA05958 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:20:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:40:21 -0700 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: tim@redshift.com (Tim Gotch) Subject: Re: synths and stuph... (korg prophecy?) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 93 I'm sure that Kensington has a MIDI kit for it. Love Tim 93/93 >While we're on the subject of old gear... > >Is there anyone here who knows how to send knob >tweaks via midi on a Prophet 600? I've heard >it can be done. > >thanks >BS ------------------------------------------------------------ Tim Gotch tim@redshift.com tim@salinas.net http://www.redshift.com/~tim Hyper Design Technologies hdt@redshift.com http://www.redshift.com/~hdt 395 Del Monte Ctr. #128 Monterey, CA 93940 Nothing is true, everything is permitted ------------------------------------------------------------ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 15:39:33 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA21783; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:39:33 -0800 Received: from unix1.cc.uop.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA21713; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:39:24 -0800 Received: by unix1.cc.uop.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05061; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:35:37 -0800 Message-Id: <30F6EE0F.3EFF@uop.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:26:07 -0800 From: Sito Teav Organization: School of Pharmacy X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b5 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Diane Tabellija Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: EON References: <9600128214.AA821485034@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'm another person who's very interested in the dj line up for EON but >don't know much about the promoters and what they've done in the past. >Anyone out there care to fill us in? Not 100% pure but I am pretty sure: Promoters: Oogga Boogga people (originally from Sac town) Place: East Bay Cost: The super star line up speaks for itself (that is an insane line up, just hope they all show) Source: Tribal Funk guy here at UOP. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 15:48:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA22546; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:48:40 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA22541; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:48:37 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15437(5)>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:48:03 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <5445>; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:48:01 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA821490554; Fri, 12 Jan 96 15:48:08 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 15:48:08 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9600128214.AA821490554@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: Sito Teav Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: EON Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for the info. I hope the promoters deliver too! (Flight permitting from back East, too since it's beginning to snow over there again.) I just find it interesting that Frankie Feliciano, DJ Pierre and Barry Weaver aren't lined up anywhere else during the weekend, or maybe I just haven't seen any flyers for other parties like Club Universe, etc. Am I jaded or what?! (This is a rhetorical q) Have a great weekend, all! Diane ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: EON Author: Sito Teav at beluga-mail Date: 1/12/96 3:41 PM >I'm another person who's very interested in the dj line up for EON but >don't know much about the promoters and what they've done in the past. >Anyone out there care to fill us in? Not 100% pure but I am pretty sure: Promoters: Oogga Boogga people (originally from Sac town) Place: East Bay Cost: The super star line up speaks for itself (that is an insane line up, just hope they all show) Source: Tribal Funk guy here at UOP. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 16:05:19 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA23752; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:05:19 -0800 Received: from viola.rs.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA23697; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:04:06 -0800 Received: from mars.rs.com by viola.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15182; Fri, 12 Jan 96 16:00:47 PST Received: by rs.com (Sun-4.1) id AA15182; Fri, 12 Jan 96 16:00:47 PST Received: by mars.rs.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20270; Fri, 12 Jan 96 16:00:46 PST Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 16:00:46 PST From: george@rs.com (George Feil) Message-Id: <9601130000.AA20270@mars.rs.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com, rdriffle@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: (NOT RAVE RELATED) Fwd: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Please, please, DO NOT FORWARD THIS NOTE! Despite its seemingly good intentions, this amounts to nothing more than a chain letter, and forwarding it will furthermore cripple an already slow Internet. Yours in cooperation for a speedy net (and a high vibe), George From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 16:34:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25726; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:34:01 -0800 Received: from nexsys.nexsys.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25715; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:33:57 -0800 Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (8.6.10/SM-8.6.4) id QAA00858; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:34:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:34:16 -0800 (PST) From: Geoff White To: Lee Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared In-Reply-To: <9601121612.AA14830@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Lee Fogel wrote: > > > Why crusie the Net at 14.4 or 28.8 when you could have your own > > > parttime digital line from PACBell for about $25/month local flat rate, long > > > distance additional, and cruise the Net at a minimum of 56kbps, and a > > > maximum of 112kbps, virtually T1 speed. > > > > Not quite, T1 speed is about 12 times that > > ISDN is yesterday's technology. Telcos are currently testing > Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) technology which can > run over existing copper telephone circuits, and can provide > 6 Mbps, 46 times the speed of 128 kbps ISDN BRI data lines, without > interrupting your regular telephone service on the same wire. > Yeah but that's only going out from the hub, the back channel is still around 128K so it's great for serving "consumers" but not if each individual wants to run their own webserver. > Also, cable modems will soon give us bandwidth over our coaxial > cables that will also blow ISDN away. > For most of the systems that are currently dsigned, the same thing, they are Asymetric, that is lots of bandwidth going out to you, not so much coming back from you, buyer beware of asymetric systems is what I say. G From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 17:03:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA27695; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:03:00 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27662; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:02:54 -0800 From: SkiSF@aol.com Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com (emout04.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.12]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA02326 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:36:14 -0800 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00852 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:01:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: <960112200059_40006874@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Boston Raves???? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all.... I'm going to be in Boston Next Saturday Night Jan 20th and was wondering if anyone knew anything out is Boston has a rave scene, and more importantly if there is a way I can find out if anything is going that night. Soooo if anyone has hany info, please e-mail me asap. A good party would be a great way to meet people in a city I have to spend a week in (work travel). thanks. peace. ski. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 17:05:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA27889; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:05:25 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27882; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:05:22 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA25051 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:05:20 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05853 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:02:39 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199601130102.RAA05853@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: some djs have big egos? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2107 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear all, Some dj's have MONSTROUS EGOS. I carry my ego-meter everywhere I go and some individuals are off the scale. I will name no names...at the moment. Read on! Some observations: Such as: DJing is an art, and most dj's are intensely passionate about it. Music obsesses them. They love it and they have strong opinions about it. When you're doing some kind of art, you have to have standards to evaluate your work and other people's work. And if you happen to live up to your standards, then you might end up with an excellent self-opinion. In some people, simple self-confidence comes off like arrogance. What most fascinates me the art of dj'ing is how the dj picks the records to play. I've listened to hours and hours of party tapes, and even when I wasn't actually at the party, the music re-creates the setting in my mind. Some dj's have a gift at creating mood and atmosphere. In my mind, Felix and Ronan are masters at this. If you agree that dj'ing is an art, and if you think that art is about self-expression, then you have to agree that dj's use other people's creations to express what's in their own heart. This to me is the reason we have a bit of a dj cult going on in the scene. You can't separate the man or woman from the musical experience he or she creates. If you love a set that someone plays, then on some level, you love that person, as well. Consider this: the music you hear at a rave you might never hear again in any other setting, except maybe at another rave or on a set tape. You may hear something that transforms your attitude toward music, toward life, toward love, toward yourself. And you might never know what that song is called or who created it in the first place. Knowing this makes me sad but exalted, too..because then the music belongs to itself and you can never really possess it. Even the dj who owns the record doesn't really possess it, because he didn't create it. And the music is nothing if it isn't played. It's just a plastic platter with one long groove going around and around. love, Ann From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 17:43:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA00228; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:43:24 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA00210; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:43:21 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:43:20 -0800 (PST) From: Sami Khoury To: SkiSF@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Boston Raves???? In-Reply-To: <960112200059_40006874@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Send mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com. In the body of the message, put the line: s*bscribe ne-raves Replace the '*' with 'u'. The members of that list should be able to give you the lowdown on what's happening. Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 18:04:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02392; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:04:26 -0800 Received: from gw3.pacbell.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA02383; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:04:23 -0800 Received: from srv.PacBell.COM (mother.srv.PacBell.COM) by gw3.pacbell.com (5.x/PacBell-10/18/95) id AA06790; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:04:09 -0800 Received: from pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM by srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/Mother-7/26/95) id AA18169; Fri, 12 Jan 96 18:04:08 PST Received: by pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25926; Fri, 12 Jan 96 18:04:05 PST From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) Message-Id: <9601130204.AA25926@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Subject: Re: some djs have big egos? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 18:04:03 PST Expires: Sat, 13 Jan 96 In-Reply-To: <199601130102.RAA05853@uclink.berkeley.edu>; from "Ann Elizabeth Loraine" at Jan 12, 96 5:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The question makes about as much sense as asking "Do some programmers have big egos?" Of course *some* do. But I would disagree with the message implied by the question. Thinking about all the DJs I've met, I would say that on average they have smaller egos than the average human. Just my own perception. Lee ___________________________________________________________________________ lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 18:09:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02876; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:09:02 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA02863; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:08:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: Sami Khoury To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: oops Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk That was supposed to be ne-raves-calendar, not ne-raves. Apologies, Sami From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 18:15:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA03473; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:15:11 -0800 Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA03463; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:15:07 -0800 Received: by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id VAA07948; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:14:19 -0500 Date: 12 Jan 96 21:09:48 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: This Saturday: Synthetic Message-ID: <960113020947_71165.755_GHL138-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk HERE"S THE NUMBER FOR THIS PARTY (I PICKED UP THE FLYER YESTERDAY) 1-800-989-9998 PIN 6631 RICK WROTE: There is a party going on in Sacramento this Saturday called SYNTHETIC. DJ's include: Graeme FLX (hiwaii) Jon Williams Wizard SHO Ambient space Rig-a-tony Fil Rick Jonny The only problem is I don't have an information number which makes this information pretty useless. I'm playing ambient there, but my contact hasn't returned my call yet. I'll post the number when I get it. I figured that if anyone from the Sac area didn't want to drive all the way to the city, they would know they had an alternate choice. Hope to see someone...anyone there. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 18:15:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA03483; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:15:13 -0800 Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA03462; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:15:07 -0800 Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id VAA20528; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:14:29 -0500 Date: 12 Jan 96 21:12:53 EST From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@compuserve.com> To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: Re: Some DJs have big egos.. Message-ID: <960113021253_71165.755_GHL138-2@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Friday, Dirceu wrote: > For a while, i started noticing that many DJs are really > different ppl. At least while they talk about music and stuff. > Some have huge egos, I guess... Do you guys agree ??? or not??? > Did you actually meet DJs who were very cool and nice?? or were > idiots and egomaniacs??? Yep, it's hard to miss the egos on some of our favorite DJs -- my theory is that it's a little like the sports star phenomenon - someone who is a regular person at heart has a special talent or gift that makes people treat them differently - and before you know it, they start to get that oh-so-swelling head. I think there's also a dose of shyness that is built into the nature of lots of artists too, who may communicate better through their art than through social interaction. You've got to respect people who can make music that can reach all the way into our soul, but it sure would be nice to have some of our favorite music-spinners lighten up and BE FRIENDLY. After all, without us, their music would be unappreciated -- I mean, can you hear the sound of a groovy beat in the woods, if there's noone there? It surely wouldn't be the same. So I implore all you DJs out there to remember, you can affect the vibe with your personal vibe as well as the music. I know there's lots of groupies out there who may be a little annoying at times, but that comes with the territory -- how nice to be looked up to that way. So, DJs, share your music and your beats, but also share your smiles (ooooo Thomas does that so well!) and your friendliness with us, and you'll get it back in kind. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 19:03:16 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA07744; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:03:16 -0800 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA07734; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:03:13 -0800 Received: (from keiper@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) id TAA126437; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:03:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Keiper To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: internet terms... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello! i have been reading some posts on the different kinds of accounts lately, wishing that i understood all the jargon. perhaps a message could be composed by someone really in the know, defining some terms: isdn, ppp, slip, bandwith, etc. im sure i am not alone in my ignorance, and because 1) these posts have been public, and 2) the info would really benefit all concerned, some clarification seems in order. i know it is not directly rave related, but it is important none the less. thank you! kevin :) p.s. even recommending some books would be nice, if either time and message length are an issue... * From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 20:05:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA10744; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:05:18 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA10737; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:05:12 -0800 From: CozmicSky@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11034 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:04:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:04:39 -0500 Message-ID: <960112230437_60493478@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: I am New Newbie Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi Sean, I am into that DJ line up myself. They are really good. Although, I need to broden my horizons too. Can you do over the phone orders with Solid Grooves? I usually do that at Housewares, so I don't have to drive all the way to the city for a single tape. It is nice. Thanks, Pam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 20:36:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA12269; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:36:53 -0800 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA12264; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:36:49 -0800 Received: from jobe.shell.portal.com (jobe.shell.portal.com [156.151.3.4]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA10499 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:35:31 -0800 Received: (grigsby@localhost) by jobe.shell.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) id UAA13357 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:35:29 -0800 From: Grigsbeast Message-Id: <199601130435.UAA13357@jobe.shell.portal.com> Subject: Re: (NOT RAVE RELATED) Fwd: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:35:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9601130000.AA20270@mars.rs.com> from "George Feil" at Jan 12, 96 04:00:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 637 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Please, please, DO NOT FORWARD THIS NOTE! > > Despite its seemingly good intentions, this amounts to nothing more than a chain letter, and forwarding it will furthermore cripple an already slow Internet. The whole letter takes up about as much size as one Web page with a few pictures. Compared to that, the bandwidth used for text is very small, especially given the thousands of binaries posted every day to every news server on the planet. If we want to speed up the net, we should disseminate Web browsers that make pulling in graphics optional and off by default, so you have to click on the picture to download it. // g From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 20:44:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA12566; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:44:20 -0800 Received: from scruz.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA12561; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:44:17 -0800 Received: from [165.227.109.23] by scruz.net (8.6.9/1.34) id UAA21493; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:44:13 -0800 X-Sender: anarch@mail.scruznet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:45:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: anarch@scruznet.com (Anarch) Subject: Non-profit event Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Some people have expressed interest in charitable parties. I just picked up a flyer: "100% of the proceeds goes to feed and shelter homeless and underprivileged humans." Rhythm Culture, January 27th, 408-425-3333, with Dan, Simon, Rick Preston, Tanya, Jalapeno, Blue. anarch@scruznet.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 21:01:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA13895; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:01:13 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA13885; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:01:09 -0800 From: GroovyBass@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25688 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:00:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:00:36 -0500 Message-ID: <960113000035_115027621@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: hello... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi everyone, i'm writing all the way from Philadelphia... just wanted to say hello to all the sfravers, especially the ones who know me! I was out there this summer and hung out a lot at the Sunset parties, and i hope i'll be moving there soon! :) on a different note, i'm looking for a song ID... I know it's called Indian Vibes and it's by Mathar, but I need to know the record label that puts it out. This song starts out with sitars and then goes into a crazy funky breakbeat and the sitar starts jamming out! I heard it once in San Fran, and only once after that at IO2 in Kentucky. If you know the info please email me asap! anyway, i'll go back to observing now... :) kenji From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 21:08:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA14231; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:08:25 -0800 Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA14225; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:08:23 -0800 Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA25066; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:07:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:07:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199601130507.VAA25066@ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Re: (NOT RAVE RELATED) Fwd: FWD>FW- Fwd- aids (fwd) To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk >If we want to speed up the net, we should disseminate Web browsers that >make pulling in graphics optional and off by default, so you have >to click on the picture to download it. > >// g > > Agreed, one of the best things I've run into on the web is the Burning Man website that give you the option of viewing it in its entirety or as text only. Way better having that option! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 22:40:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA19225; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:40:43 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA19219; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:40:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199601130640.WAA19219@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 96 22:33:32 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i have a big favor to ask- here goes- CAN SOMEONE BRING ME A LAMINATE TO CHRYSALIS ON SATURDAY? IF YOU CAN, PLEASE MAIL ME!!!!!!!! thanks in advance- peace, love, and a leaky roof- matt l. "peace and love- 2 great tastes that taste even greater together!" matthew d. p. k. lanier vox 415-666-5659 "Peace within us, peace over us, peace under our feet. peace behind us, peace around us, let all around us be peace." - David Haas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 23:21:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA21158; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:21:02 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA21144; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:21:00 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id XAA23823; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:20:25 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:20:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199601130720.XAA23823@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Again, seek me out, hunt me down, & say hi! To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Hey everybody! I know I posted an abbreviated version of this here post before, but I left out some description of myself I want to post now! If you're going to Chrysalis, please come give me a hug & say hi if you see me! As described before, I'll be wearing my aforementioned big purple t-shirt (with a design a lot of you'll recognize), black velvet pants, & black boots. Shoulder-length brown wavy-ish hair (that'll probably be in a pony-tail by the time you see me!), 5'8", medium-set. However, I won't have my laminate this time, as I accidentally left it at a friend's house. :( So come up & say hi if you see me! I look forward to meeting some of you, & seeing again those of you I've already met before! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 23:45:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA22250; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:45:56 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA22241; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:45:53 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.227] (sr-tty17-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.227]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA28565; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:45:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199601130745.XAA28565@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:51:15 +1000 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: newbies! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >WHAT!? Are you serious!!?? Is Spundae going to be $35+? FORGET IT! I >say, if that's the case, we organize an impromptu, by-the-water rave that >night in protest. Seriously, does anyone know how much Spundae is going to be? > >>are you talking about spundae? > >>> Sheesh! $35 and $50 at the door... And I thought New years was >>> bad... I was NOT referring to Spundae.. I was referring to "Digital Queers", a MacWorld fund raiser party. It isn't much of a rave, as 2 years ago only small partion was devoted for dancing. Robin Williams was the surprise speaker. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 23:46:40 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA22304; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:46:40 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA22299; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:46:38 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.227] (sr-tty17-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.227]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA28571; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:45:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199601130745.XAA28571@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:51:19 +1000 To: "Michael E. Clay" From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Re: Da Mayor's in Da House Posters Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Now maybe if we combine blood crosses, voodoo dolls, shaman rattles AND >Willie Brown posters the police will fear to enter.... ;-) > Hah! Dream on!!! Wishful thinking... From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Fri Jan 12 23:49:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA22413; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:49:29 -0800 Received: from elaine48.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA22402; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:49:26 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine48.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id XAA01885; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:49:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 23:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: off to Chrysalis! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey gang, I've returned from the snowy hinterlands! Green Bay, WI, that is. Go Packers! I'm heading off to Chrysalis tomorrow, and this time I'm guaranteed NOT to flub up and completely misunderstand the map point info like I did last time. I noticed that the Gateway people were extremely precise with all the mappoint details this time... I can't help but wonder if this is in some part a response to my lamentable blubbering on their answering machine. Nonetheless, it'll be a great party. Of course, I'll be wearing my Burger King crown and laminate, so please please come up and introduce yerselves. see you tomorrow, The Whopper--Jon From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 00:57:47 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA29262; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:57:47 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA29257; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:57:44 -0800 Received: (from phred@localhost) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA12121; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:57:40 -0800 From: "Fred Heutte" Message-Id: <9601130057.ZM12118@well> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 00:57:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) "Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared" (Jan 12, 10:05am) References: <199601121744.JAA25175@shellx.best.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 06sep94) To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream), sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ISP Providers/ISDN Providers/ Compared Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The biggest problem with telecom bandwidth is that the computer world is just now reaching the transition zone where the barrier to wider bandwidth is no longer the capability of some DSP (and Rockwell's seemingly bottomless ability to transcend the "theoretical limits" to relatively good signal transmission over long-distance plain-ole phone circuits :) but instead the properties of the transmission medium itself, and the chaotic battle over who does what with which wires. Pacbell's slamming the door shut on ISDN, and I for one think that while this is a serious mistake, it will be very hard to turn it around. It costs a lot less to beat Rockwell's latest/fastest chip set (especially if you *are* Rockwell!) than to upgrade wiring, circuit-handling hardware, switching software and perhaps most importantly, corporate culture, to offer more than Model T type bandwidth to the entire population. It will happen someday, but obviously this could have happened a decade ago and the Baby Bells balked then, and are still balking. Rocky and I had an interesting on-the-fly discussion of this last weekend while he was batting around ideas with some folks on ICB about exactly this issue. Unless I'm quite wrong, we're going to have to live with 28.8 for a couple more years as the practical ceiling for desktop computer connections (I know, you can do ISDN or T1 pieces or whatever, but that requires a lot of patience, some serious bucks and even more patience). phred From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 05:23:37 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA14064; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 05:23:37 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA14059; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 05:23:35 -0800 Received: from default (recept.midcom.com [206.17.67.125]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA06315 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 05:23:20 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960113132346.006e0020@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 05:23:46 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Is This Thing On, Anyone Out There....... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; Just one of those screwed up nights ya know. G-Friend's home & tired it's 5am & I'm wide awake. Anyone out there, anything happened at all, right know. PEacE, LovE, P^3 From Across CyberspacE a.k.a Brian DarknEs^2 VoicE & Fax: @510-595-7988 Toll FrEE NationwidE PagEr & VoicEmail: @800-590-4993 IntErnEt E-Mail AddrEss: brianvan@mail.liberty.com DivErsity Is The Most Basic Of Human NaturEs GivE ME LibErty, Or GivE ME DEath BEwarE ThE Tyranny Of ThE Majority You Shouldn't HavE To HavE A PErmit To Throw A Party Ralph NadEr For PrEsidEnt In 1996 (MESSAGES FOR THE 90'S) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 10:55:05 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA00728; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:55:05 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA00722; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:55:03 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA17555 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:55:01 -0800 Received: (from plunkett@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA28416; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:53:21 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew James Plunkett Subject: Chrys. Question To: SFRaves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Could any of the Gateway people out there tell me about when Freaky Chakra will play @ Chrysalis? Thanks in advance! -matt From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 11:13:58 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA01999; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:13:58 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA01992; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:13:55 -0800 From: mrfrog@netcom.com Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA09049; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:12:13 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:12:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: NON-RAVE (Re:ISP Prov.../ISDN..) To: Lee Fogel cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9601121612.AA14830@pbssi.srv.PacBell.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Lee: seems like you saw the article in Wired 3.11, "ISDN RIP". did you see the one called "Hype List" in the back? here it is if you missed it... ADSL "If you think the telephone companies have the slightest idea of where the digital revolution is headed, take a look at their latest technology: Asymetrical Digital Subscriber Line. Sure, ADSL pumps 6 Mbps over a phone line. But it's a hack, a stopgap solution made from duct tape and bailing wire. ADSL is asymetrical, prone to noise, and won't scale to higher speeds. Maybe the cable companies- who have at least laid coaxial cable- will win after all." - s.g. steinberg (hype-list@wired.com) i know this discussion seems a little farfetched, but is it really when you invest in a lot of money in technology for your business and it's obsolete in 18 months? mrfrog On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Lee Fogel wrote: > > > Why crusie the Net at 14.4 or 28.8 when you could have your own > > > distance additional, and cruise the Net at a minimum of 56kbps, and a > > > maximum of 112kbps, virtually T1 speed. > > > > Not quite, T1 speed is about 12 times that > > ISDN is yesterday's technology. Telcos are currently testing > Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) technology which can > run over existing copper telephone circuits, and can provide > 6 Mbps, 46 times the speed of 128 kbps ISDN BRI data lines, without > interrupting your regular telephone service on the same wire. > > Also, cable modems will soon give us bandwidth over our coaxial > cables that will also blow ISDN away. > > But, yeah ISDN is available right now, and if my employer offers me it > for free I'd be happy to take it. > > Lee > ___________________________________________________________________________ > lxfogel@pacbell.com ( ( ( ( ((0)) ) ) ) ) lee@hyperreal.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 11:46:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA04200; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:46:30 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04194; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:46:26 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA07701 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:45:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: <960113144553_40651943@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Party update: SYNTHETIC-Saturday Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Last Minute Party Update For This Saturday! Amanray & Friends will be sportin a party called synthetic this saturday. Jon Williams, Graeme, Felix(Hawaii), Simon (u.k.) & more will be showin up to throw down. It may be something different worth checking out if you feel like getting out of the city, and headin for the valley! (Sacramento) I'll be bringin some newbies down from the hills. Let me know anyone, if you're going, we'll hook up & share suckers. That reminds me, be sure to megadose on the vitamin C everyone, & you might be able to elude the yucky cold. : [ Love & Life, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 11:54:43 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA05039; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:54:43 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA05034; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:54:39 -0800 From: CozmicSky@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA24527 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:54:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:54:08 -0500 Message-ID: <960113145407_115451788@mail04.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fwd: Chrysalis Costume Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Chrysalis Costume Date: 96-01-13 14:50:20 EST From: CozmicSky To: sfraves@hyppereal.com Hello! This is newbie Pam, looks like I will be going to Chrysalis. Nothing going on last night, stayed home and watched Basketball Diaries, great movie for staying home and doing zilch. I tried to think of something I have that is pretty recognizable to wear, since I don't have a laminate, and want all you to come and interduse yourself to me. So here it is, I will be wearing a black T that says ---fuct---- on it. It is as noticeable as a street sign. Find Me!!! Shawna I will be looking. Pam =] From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 14:22:42 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15474; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:22:42 -0800 Received: from arl-img-6.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15466; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:22:39 -0800 Received: by arl-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA13574; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:22:07 -0500 Date: 13 Jan 96 17:20:29 EST From: mac <70730.2126@compuserve.com> To: sfraves Cc: s Subject: Party update: SYNTHETIC-Saturday Message-ID: <960113222029_70730.2126_CHK42-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk any where, when, tel number?????? ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:SteveOSac@aol.com, INTERNET:SteveOSac@aol.com TO: sfraves, INTERNET:SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM DATE: 1/13/96 3:29 PM RE: Party update: SYNTHETIC-Saturday Sender: sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Received: from taz.hyperreal.com (taz.hyperreal.com [204.62.129.130]) by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA05455; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:10:07 -0500 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA04469; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:47:52 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA04200; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:46:30 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA04194; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 11:46:26 -0800 From: SteveOSac@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA07701 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:45:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: <960113144553_40651943@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Party update: SYNTHETIC-Saturday Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Last Minute Party Update For This Saturday! Amanray & Friends will be sportin a party called synthetic this saturday. Jon Williams, Graeme, Felix(Hawaii), Simon (u.k.) & more will be showin up to throw down. It may be something different worth checking out if you feel like getting out of the city, and headin for the valley! (Sacramento) I'll be bringin some newbies down from the hills. Let me know anyone, if you're going, we'll hook up & share suckers. That reminds me, be sure to megadose on the vitamin C everyone, & you might be able to elude the yucky cold. : [ Love & Life, Steveo From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 14:28:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA15814; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:28:56 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA15807; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:28:51 -0800 Received: from default (ppp409.liberty.com [206.17.67.105]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01517 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:28:43 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960113222856.006cac70@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 14:28:56 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: Chrysalis Is Where I Will...... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; The Dark one will be at Chryaslis tonight. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 15:18:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA18636; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:18:10 -0800 Received: from holonet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18626; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:18:07 -0800 Received: from guardian (root@localhost) by holonet.net with UUCP id PAA22570; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 15:18:05 -0800 From: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com (Marco A. Mancia) Reply-To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Anyone need ride to......? Date: 13 Jan 1996 15:17:55 GMT Message-Id: <1174794206.57751272@sfbayguardian.com> Organization: San Francisco Bay Guardian Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk IF anyone wants to go to EON tonight, I will drive- (the only thing I ask is, my admission to the place). I am in Berkeley............so buzz me or mail me. (or possibly to Chrysalis...................orbient F6-510-597-1723...............out From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 17:04:55 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA01234; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:04:55 -0800 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA01226; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:04:51 -0800 Received: from [204.71.217.92] (bigz.creative.net [204.71.217.92]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21918 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:02:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 17:02:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601140102.RAA21918@cyberE.creative.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Chrysalis & All together Now? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I seem to have lost my Weekly list so could someone please either send it to me again or give me the number for Chrysalis. Also is anyone going to All Together Now? Thanx, Jon Jon Zimmerman (415)664-6645 bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 20:21:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA12785; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:21:02 -0800 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA12771; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 20:20:58 -0800 Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id XAA20891; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:20:26 -0500 Date: 13 Jan 96 23:17:42 EST From: mac <70730.2126@compuserve.com> To: sfraves Subject: Chrysalis Is Where I Will...... Message-ID: <960114041742_70730.2126_CHK59-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk RE: Chrysalis Is Where I Will...... >BY YOUR COMMAND; > The Dark one will be at Chryaslis tonight. thank god u told me...made my nite, that's for sure! hugz :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 21:23:29 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA16173; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:23:29 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA16167; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:23:26 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:20:45 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 21:20:39 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: going to Chrysalis! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk See all you there! I'll be with Tim (Knucklehead), Amy S, Melanie, and a bunch of our Apple friends and their friends. Look for my black alien t-shirt. It's an alien head inside a nuclear symbol. Also, our friend Kevin is wearing an "Alien in the hat" shirt. -w ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 22:12:49 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA19025; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:12:49 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA19015; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:12:45 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id WAA25214; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:12:42 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:12:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199601140612.WAA25214@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Synthetic Directions: TONIGHT! X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This party is way cool. It is happing right now. I just came from there, and it is a virgin warehouse in Sacramento. Directions are as follows: >From SF: 80 to Sacramento Business 80 in to Sac. Hwy 99 South 47th Ave West Left on Otto Circle It's in a warehouse called Texas BBQ. It's on the right. A friend and I will be playing live ambient in the ambient space. The main dance space is really nice/with great sound. Really nice decorations. Should be a good one. See you there. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Jan 13 22:15:02 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id WAA19187; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:15:02 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA19173; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:14:59 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id WAA25307; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:14:56 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 22:14:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199601140614.WAA25307@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Correct Number to SYNTHIC X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is not the correct number. The flyer looks like 989-9998, but it is not. THE NUMBER IS: 1-800-484-9998 pin 6631. H >HERE"S THE NUMBER FOR THIS PARTY (I PICKED UP THE FLYER YESTERDAY) >1-800-989-9998 PIN 6631 > >RICK WROTE: > >There is a party going on in Sacramento this Saturday called SYNTHETIC. >DJ's include: > >Graeme >FLX (hiwaii) >Jon Williams >Wizard >SHO > >Ambient space > >Rig-a-tony >Fil >Rick >Jonny > >The only problem is I don't have an information number which makes this >information pretty useless. I'm playing ambient there, but my contact >hasn't returned my call yet. I'll post the number when I get it. I figured >that if anyone from the Sac area didn't want to drive all the way to the >city, they would know they had an alternate choice. > >Hope to see someone...anyone there. > >Rick > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 00:55:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA01014; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:55:08 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA01009; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:55:05 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA14930 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:55:03 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA17050 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:54:39 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199601140854.AAA17050@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: hey all you netheads To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:54:38 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 380 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I'm hanging out at an intimate gathering of friends. We just saw off a couple of friends who are going to Chrysalis. You two have fun! Is anybody out there that would like to chat? We are having a New Moon virtual rave. The music is ambient, the fire in the fireplace is lit, and the air is filled with happy conversation. Later, there will be marbling. Love- Ann From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 04:35:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id EAA14331; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 04:35:07 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA14326; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 04:35:04 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA18016; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 04:35:03 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA29151; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 04:34:36 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199601141234.EAA29151@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: Re: hey all you netheads To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 04:34:35 -0800 (PST) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <102625246.60548166@sfbayguardian.com> from "Marco A. Mancia" at Jan 14, 96 03:31:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 650 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear ?? My friends are here in a nice, warm house on a hill, listening to Swimwear Catalog. I think that's the "group" or whatever. It's very mellow, soothing and uplifting. We just took a walk in a park near here. The mist is heavy on the hill, and cold. We've been dancing very slowly all night long. It seems like the right way to dance in such a peaceful neighborhood. On top of the hill near us, there's a giant white, electrically powered cross. The turn it on for Christmas, and then Easter. These times mark off the death of the old year, and the rebirth of the new year. Discovering your pagan roots is such a blast. -Ann From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 11:57:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA07232; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:57:07 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA07226; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:57:03 -0800 Received: from [198.53.26.170] (XR01-A30.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24279; Sun, 14 Jan 96 14:56:54 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:59:38 -0500 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: (FWD) 12 monkeys and GERMS and Collective Unconscious :o Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here's something from NE-Raves that might be interesting to some of ya here, peace! :) ------------------- >At 7:21 PM 1/12/96, Gil Yaker wrote: >>Okay, I didn't see the movie, but if you want to read about germs disease >>control, there's a good article in this month's Popular Science about the >>topic. Actually scared the hell out of me, especially when I saw a small >>sore on my finger. > Yeah, i'm reading also about complexity theory which talks about >how everything can be a 'process' or 'system' within a larger 'process' or >'system'. Like, germs do their thing (whether it be 'harmful' or not, cells >do their thing, your nervous system does it's thing: all of these make up >the process or system of 'your body'. There are a lot of things that make >us up as people, germs and neurochemicals are equally important. > Which leads me to the theory of the "collective unconscious" :) >Keep reading if you dare ;) > Within our brains, there are many processes going on, right up from >neurons firing across synapses to hemisphere's connecting with each other >but maybe beyond that there are other processes that thought is involved >in, on where our brains become like neurons in a global matrix of thought. >There's a whole bunch of names for this "the neurosphere" (forgot who >coined that one..but he's sampled at the beginning of UFOrb if you listen >close, yay that was rave related! Yipiee!) or "the collective unconscious" >which leads me to.... > >At 12:51 PM 1/12/96, young offender wrote: >>Once again, we go to the movie 12 Monkeys. I saw it again last night. >>There is a scene where Brad Pitt's character is talking about how there >>was once a time when people didn't believe in germs. Then one day a >>doctor showed up and said there were tiny organisms that cause. A new >>reality. He made a new reality, and something which we now know to be >>true. And then there's the theory on the 100th monkey. I won't go into >>it, but it basically says that if enough people do the same thing, then >>that attitude, or that thought pattern will be integrated into the >>collective unconcious, or the mainstream. > Yep, that's Rupert Sheldrake's "Morphic Resonance" theory. That >species can communicate with each other in some non-typical way. Like, we >all communicate with words, gestures, and lots of other things. But what if >we were somehow able to communicate with each other (not consciously or >intentionally) but unconsciously? What if there was a HUGE pool of human >knowledge, like an internet, that we could tap into? That'd explain it in a >breif way, people have certain realizations or elevations of thought, and >it's added to the pool which then EVERYONE has access to. The actual case >of the monkeys on the Island in Japan from which the 100th monkey theory >came from has been disproved apparently, but there are numerous other >examples that remain disproven. > How does this fit into raving? Well, how many times have you heard >"Before i was a raver (and/or did E) i was depressed as hell, etc etc" well >what if raving is a way to have positive realizations about things and if >all >the positivity that some people are experiencing is 'rubbing off' on >other >people and allowing them access to a lot more positive ways of thinking? >That would TOTALLY explain the "contact high" you can get at a rave even if >you're completely sober. It would also explain why you can be frustrated at >a party with a lot of negativity in it. It's 'bad vibes' ;) > Regardless, i've see raves change people's lives and even if it's >them and only them that is affected by their realizations, it's one more >positive person in the world and that's better than nothin'! > brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> ========================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/====================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 12:11:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA08225; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:11:48 -0800 Received: from stealth.romoidoy.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA08219; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:11:44 -0800 Received: from Szwizer. (zwizer-slip.zoom.com [206.14.141.10]) by stealth.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Hub-112795) with SMTP id MAA08332 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:11:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199601142011.MAA08332@stealth.romoidoy.com> X-Sender: zwizer@zoom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 12:08:44 -0600 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Neil Subject: NON RAVE- roomates Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, We are looking for anyone willing to share a three bedroom house rental with a couple of raving, student, dj's. If you are interested, please contact me at zwizer@zoom.com or call Neil at (415) 994-0952. You can also contact Angelika at (510)845-9338. Thanks :) Neil From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 12:17:23 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA08600; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:17:23 -0800 Received: from svpal.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA08594; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:17:21 -0800 Received: by svpal.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0tbYrT-000D8CC; Sun, 14 Jan 96 12:17 PST Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:17:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Leichardt Subject: crysalis ! To: everyone Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk finaly i got to go to a crysalis party! id say it went much better than the new years thing at the same place. teh music was great! a lot of time taken to make the place nice. but most of all *the vibe there was killer* thank you all who went, and gateway for last nite! and greg n cindy, who i havent seen in soooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo long! there were so many smiles there, more than ive seen in a while at a party. makes me think about what is possible :) keep that positivity all week long! :) tom "rock the house move with your dreams share energy approach divinity dance create love evolve!" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 12:19:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA08723; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:19:09 -0800 Received: from stealth.romoidoy.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA08712; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:19:05 -0800 Received: from Szwizer. (zwizer-slip.zoom.com [206.14.141.10]) by stealth.romoidoy.com (8.6.12/Romoidoy-Hub-112795) with SMTP id MAA08636 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:19:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199601142019.MAA08636@stealth.romoidoy.com> X-Sender: zwizer@zoom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 12:16:05 -0600 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Neil Subject: NON RAVE- roomates Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, We are looking for anyone willing to share a three bedroom house rental with a couple of raving, student, dj's. If you are interested, please contact me at zwizer@zoom.com or call Neil at (415) 994-0952. You can also contact Angelika at (510)845-9338. Thanks :) Neil From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 12:25:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA09097; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:25:13 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA09087; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:25:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199601142025.MAA09087@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: chrysalis To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: lanima00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1733 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- (i'm at a different address, so my name like looks kinda different. it's matthew lanier) one sentence- Chrysalis kicked my ass! i don't normally rate raves, but this was by far the best rave i have ever been at. people- 10 smiles music-10 smiles vibe!- 10+smiles the experience is summed up in one scene- in the back room where everyone was chilling, a gentleman stood up and shouted to al of us "Appreciate this!" at that point the whole room started screaming ad hugging each other. i knew i was at the right place. thanks to all the sfraverfamilymembers i met: amy, black adder, shawna!! (she's a cool cat) and the 10 whose name's i don't remember. it was the people that mae chrysalis, not the chemicals, music, or visuals, it was you! i met a new friend with the initials white light who is still visiting me now, at noon the next day. he is a very, very, very nice guy, and i recommend people to seek him out. as is appropriate to come after a cool rave review, i have a healing story to share. it was cool, and i feel different because of it. here goes- i went to chrysalis with a newbie friend, who immediately got into the vibe and struck out on her own. i was in the back room, hanging, when i stumbled upon an sfraver whom i had wanted to meet. we hung, we talked, we connected, we traced, we healed, we got to know each other in the space of about 3 hours. this was the first time i had ever felt so connected to another single person at a rave. it was cool- i am still processing it, but, after a dry spell of no raving, i now remember why i went in the first place- the people- and it took a really cool girl to teach me that. Thanks!!!!!! peace, love, and infinite happiness- matt l. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 12:51:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA12385; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:51:27 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA12380; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:51:24 -0800 Received: from [205.149.171.92] (bayball.vip.best.com [205.149.171.92]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07553 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:51:19 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:51:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bayball@best.com (Alex) Subject: Chrysalis Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Chrysalis was, as usual, incredible! This was my first sober rave, and it fully confirmed my theory that when the vibe is that good you can have a great time no matter what condition you're in! By the way, could anyone out there tell me who was spinning in the downstairs room between about 2:15-3:00? Thanks. Time to go back to sleep. Peace. Alex From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 13:54:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16251; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:54:56 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA16217; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:54:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199601142154.NAA16217@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: lost stuff ata chrysalis To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:47:08 -0800 (PST) From: lanima00 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 462 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- (it's matt l. again) i am looking for the following items that were lost by my friend, shannah, at chrysalis. 1- usf student id bearing the name "shana declercq" 2- set of keys (completely non-descript keys toyota key ace hareward key one key bearing "BF42" and others these items are of no use to anyone except shana, so if you found them, please tell me so i might get them back to shana. peace, love, and lost, lonely stuff- matt l. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 13:55:27 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA16310; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:55:27 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16304; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:55:23 -0800 From: CozmicSky@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA13165 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:54:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:54:51 -0500 Message-ID: <960114165450_116358824@mail02.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: chyrsalis complainer Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, It is me the New Newbie Pam, I took most everyones advice on here to go to Chrysalis. Looks like so far, I was the only one not stoked on Chyrsalis. It may have just been my mood though. I hate to be a complainer, but I thought it was too crowded, too small, too stuffy. And I felt nothing from nobody. I was dancing for little while in the back, and this one sleezy guy was rubbing me the wrong way. The music while I was there was O.K., but it seemed to be too trancy. I like it when the DJs throw in weird singing samples. At the last couple of parties I've been to the music grabs me and I loose complete control of my body. Didn't happen. To me it was the same beat that lasted to long. I was there from 1:00-3:30. Looks like this newbie will go back to my main roots Garth, Jeno,Dan, Tony...etc. parties. Sorry. Maybe I am over reacting though. I might try out another Gateway party later to come. So I know it was not just my mood or something. peace, love, and unity. Pam Pam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 16:15:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA24662; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:15:11 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA24657; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:15:08 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA25510 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:15:05 -0800 Received: (from anthrax@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA19659 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:13:08 -0800 From: Ann Elizabeth Loraine Message-Id: <199601150013.QAA19659@uclink.berkeley.edu> Subject: last night..the aftermath To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:13:08 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 314 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi all, Morgan and Michelle got back from Chrysalis about 7, while all the rest of us were sleeping. They said it was a great party, but too crowded. We're all hanging out, and the cat is asleep on top of the monitor. I'm tired, but tonite we'll go to Spundae. Doc Martin is playing, yahoo! see you, Ann From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 16:29:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA25288; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:29:03 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA25273; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 16:29:00 -0800 Received: from [198.53.26.163] (XR01-A23.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02911; Sun, 14 Jan 96 19:28:45 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 19:31:31 -0500 To: lanima00 From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: chrysalis/a bit of a review Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:17 PM 1/14/96, lanima00 wrote: >the experience is summed up in one scene- in the back room where everyone >was chilling, a gentleman stood up and shouted to al of us "Appreciate >this!" at that point the whole room started screaming ad hugging each >other. i knew i was at the right place. Thanks for posting this. It made me realize what i loved about SF when i was there, this type of consciousness not of how good things can be (it had that for sure) but also a balance, realizing how good things _ARE_. Since i returned to montreal i've been lagged (in vrave terms) and have realized how much your environment affects you on all levels of your self. So this is just a little review of my time in SF over christmas/new years, and it's taken me this long to write it not because i'm lazy but because i didn't realize how special it was until i got back here with the snow and negativity. Briefly, i went to Mos Eisley two nights, Come-Unity one night, a coupel things here and there but the jewel on my visit was the Cybertrance party on new years. Wow, it was so unlike anything i've experienced before and i loved it. I ahve seen many a goa dj and live pa but this is the party that has really solidified my love with soem of this music and mostly the 'culture' at large. I think that goa has a lot of aspects that are quite progressive in terms of culture and music, i loved the fact that noone really cared how they looked at this party, nude or clothed, rich or poor, whatever. It seemed like everyone in teh room was jsut there for simple but basic reasons: to enlighten themselves and to have fun and to help other ppl have fun. Can't get more basic than that :) I, unfortunately, didn't get a chance to meet any sfravers while i was there, but i look at it (along with matt's post) as further kicks in my butt to get my life going in the direction that is best with me, that is, move to SF. Like any obstacle one may encounter, one tries their best to deal with it on their own, but sometimes we need a little help and have to rely on outside factors. Some people (like me) have a stubborn way of not asking for help when i need it. Well, that can only inhibit your progress through life as we all need each other, so i'm going to get past all that and ask for a little help if you can. If there's anyone on this list that is offering or is aware of an offer of employment in the graphics/web development field, i would be unbelievably grateful if you could pass it my way via email. This is one obstacle that could be lessened if things fall into place. Thanks in advance. Ok, to sum up my review of SF, i would have to echo that guy's statements, because when i was planning this review, i just wanted to write "appreciate your scene" i know it's tough, but rememebering the small things in life that you take for granted is worth it on your personal Happy-Meter :) much thanks and peace, brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> ========================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/====================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 17:11:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA27793; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:11:59 -0800 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA27788; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:11:56 -0800 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoaioxxysz.organic.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA25301; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:12:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601150112.RAA25301@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> To: bayball@best.com (Alex) cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Chrysalis In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:51:19 PST." Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:11:59 -0800 From: ozymandias G desiderata Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The DJ from 2-3:30 was John Carel. I liked the beginning of his set, but it settled down and got kind of stale by the end. But does anybody know what the hard, bouncy song he was playing with the whale samples and the really short tribal vocal sample was? I was definitely enjoying that song. ozy ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Ravers Suck Our Sound (415)284-6888 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 20:40:13 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA13352; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:40:13 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA13347; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:40:10 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:36:30 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:36:22 -0800 To: bayball@best.com (Alex), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: Chrysalis Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 12:51 PM 1/14/96, Alex wrote: > Chrysalis was, as usual, incredible! This was my first sober rave, >By the way, could >anyone out there tell me who was spinning in the downstairs room between >about 2:15-3:00? Thanks. Time to go back to sleep. Peace. John Carel rocked from ~2:30-4:00am. He is also 1/3 of Gateway Systems, the people that put on the Chrysalis parties. ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Jan 14 20:54:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id UAA14152; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:54:50 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA14147; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:54:46 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:54:08 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 20:54:00 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Amy R. Starkey" Subject: my chrysalis review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I couldn't wait to get home to post, so I'm here at Wayne's posting my review... I had *SO MUCH FUN*!!! Yes, it was *WAY* too crowded until around 3 - then it seemed as if half the crowd suddenly left and there was room to dance and sufficient circulation to keep cool. I missed Freaky Chakra at Begin Again, so I made it a point to be right there in the front for his entire set. He was really good! I had to go upstairs and chill for about an hour after that, and by that time it was 3, and like I said, by then the crowd had cleared out considerably just in time for my 2nd wind that lasted me until I danced pretty much non stop til it ended around 7:30. I was so HAPPY! I haven't been able to dance that late since Burning Man, and I had thought I was getting old or something. I was *really* happy to stay to the end where there were muffins and juice for us weary dancers. Solar played an amazing closing set, Andre Lucero blew me away too. This was definately my style of music - really hard with A*T*T*I*T*U*D*E!! I felt a real connection with everyone there. Pam - give it another chance - the good vibe was *DEFINATELY* present. And I wasn't on e to feel it. No - it was there a big way!! I was really suprised at the number of people there. I had thought that Chrysalis was still pretty small party - seems like more and more people know what a good party is - I mean look at how much F&F has grown! Another last positive note - I had talked a dear friend of mine to coming in celebration of his birthday. He was reluctant because he had never heard of Chrysalis before or most of the dj's playing. Well, he trusted me and went and I think he will believe me from now on! Thank you, Gateway, and all involved in making this happen! love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 01:20:08 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id BAA01751; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 01:20:08 -0800 Received: from inreach.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA01746; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 01:20:05 -0800 Received: from ppp062.inreach.com by inreach.com (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4) id BAA19932; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 01:22:15 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (SF Raves Mailing List) Subject: NO MORE!!! NO MORE!!! Date: Sun, 14 Jan 96 21:15:38 GMT Message-ID: From: punk@inreach.inreach.com (Politikon Zoon) X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.0] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk How do I get off the sfraves mailing list? I've tried what I was told when I signed up. That didn't work. I've tried what I have done on many other mailing lists. That didn't work. And I've tried suggestions from others. Those didn't work either. What am I to do? Annoy everyone in here until I get kicked off the list? ---- ______ ____ / \___/ __| EBHC / punk@inreach.com __o_o_o_o | :==[===[====================================|-/-/-/-/> | :==[===[====================================|---o/-/ | o o o ___ \_ `\______/ \__/` From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 02:33:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id CAA09205; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:33:26 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA09200; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:33:23 -0800 Received: from default (ppp428.liberty.com [206.17.67.92]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA18838 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:33:03 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960115103325.006ec168@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 02:33:25 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: RE: Chrysalis/Light Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; The party was v-v-v-vonderful; a great big hug, & a pat on the back for those people who make our parties happen = >. Got there pretty early round 11pm, and da place was pretty empty, with just a few good friends around to talk with. We were there about a half hour when the place just filled up. We stayed until the music stopped around 7 - 8am. Freaky, John Carel & Minor Minor ripped up their respective parts of the night. I personally thought Minor Minor was in rare/exceptional form last night, but on the other hand I like my Techno a little bit more cohesive, & flowing. Where last night seemed kind a cut & splice as far as track to track went, but again & on the other hand, the diversity was a refreshing change. I really liked the alters, decorations, rugs, and the way the rooms were setup. I noticed one or two people getting sick last night & thought I would offer some sound advice regarding eating and doing that favorite raver thing with Light. First, never eat and then immediately indulge, this is the fastest way possible for you to ruin your evening, as well as your friends because they'll no doubt will have to take care of you. In general, you should wait until your stomach is empty before indulging. So how do you know when you stomach is empty? Usually, & in most earthlings the process of digestion takes anywhere from 2 - 4 hours after you've last eaten. When in doubt as to when you've eaten last, this is usually my case, take half just to be safe. So why do people get sick when they do both to close together. Normally in an empty stomach most humans absorb about 60% of the content of what's eaten. This can vary from human to human depending on diet, content, needs of the bod in ?, condition of stomach ...etc. So when someone mixes the two together, to close together you actually get more potency out of it. This is due to the fact that the other 40% that you normally don't absorb, travels along with the food into your body. Along with that appetite suppressant part of it trying to empty your stomach, as well as your bowels as fast as it can. So when the body fails to accomplish this task in it's normal fashion, & there's food still present in the stomach, and it can't go in, guess what happens next; high velocity chucks everywhere. Regarding aliens like myself, we have so much acid in our stomachs the process of digestion is usually a flash one. Where food enters the system, hits the stomach, flash, and it's digested. For those of you die hard ravers out there that want to approach that 100% absorbtion mark, I will pass on to you what every doctor & health profession has told me, stick in up your butt!!! No, I'm not kidding & neither were they, & NO of course I've never tried it personally. The logic & medical evidence indicates that if one does this, they won't get sick, due to this new path of every ravers favorite indulgence, and you will approach that 100% absorbtion mark. The colons major bod function is absorbtion, that's all that it does really, besides providing a path for fecal matter to leave the bod, & mass peristaLsis. I still; for strictly personal reasons & despite their(doctors) recommendation, do not recommend taking it this way, as well as hear about anyone who does or has. Second, the mixing of CNS & PNS depressants like Valium, Alcohol, Soma ...etc are contraindicated when indulging in every ravers favorite activity. What does contraindicated mean, UNDER NO CONDITIONS SHOULD A HUMAN BEING BE MIXING THESE DRUGS TOGETHER. This to is the fastest way for you not only to ruin your evening, but most likely land yourself in the hospital, embarrassed, & looking very foolish, if not dead or seriously injured. Note, due to the extremely potent nature of some of every ravers favorite indulgence, the compound know as GHB, should be either not utilized, or in quat er to half doses initially. Third, take a good bath before you indulge, preferably with a soft scrubbing brush. Why you ask? Ok, approximately 40% of an average humans ability to get rid of it's waste products is through the skin. So by taking a nice bath before hand, you positively tweak your body waste removable system; sort a like cleaning a filter on an HVAC unit, as well as give your body a drink, plus feel great afterwards. Also, be kind to your body & drink penty of something that's major content is H2O. Fourth, you know your body better than anyone. Make conservative decisions based on the information that you have on your bodies particulars as far as method, mixing & dosage. If it's new to your body, take half or a quarter, there will be penty of parties in the future for you to get blown out at. Remember, it's suppose to be fun, & if it isn't anymore than maybe you should stop. Finally, please remember that many commonly used non/prescription medications have the potential, & routinely make humans sick, while offering them health, and comfort eg prescription narcotics like codeine, hydrocodone, ...etc as well as most non-steroidal anti-inflammatorily like aspirin, & motrin ...etc. These are just some of things I do, and I haven't been sick in years; less the alternative intake route. Also, don't forget that I use to live in the state of Florida where getting sick was common place & more or less accepted. This is why we had expressions like so & so "IS ALL ATE UP" after a night of indulging. 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 05:55:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA21883; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:55:26 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA21874; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:55:23 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id FAA27140; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:55:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:55:12 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: "Wayne D. Correia" cc: Friends & Familly , star@sfsu.edu Subject: Doing The Right Thing [was - Re: Don't flame(Gathering)] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I started writing this some time ago, and it got long and philosophical and took me a while to get around to finishing it. Apologies for interrupting any speeding trains of thought or unstitching any current threads... My computer tells me that on Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Wayne shared: > At 6:31 PM 12/18/95, Starchild wrote: > >Dear Black Adder, > > > > I like Martin, and I've enjoyed the Gatherings I've been to, > >although unfortunately I wasn't at this one. > > Sometimes I think you're too cynical. But not this time. I > >think you're right to ask for an accounting of where the money went. > >Power corrupts, and it's people like you who will hopefully keep the > >promoters in our scene true to the spirit of the rave community. > > I don't think it's too much to ask how much of the money from a > >party is going to charity, if a party is billed as benefiting charity. I > >don't even think it's too much to ask for a complete breakdown of > >expenses, specific enough to be verifiable for anyone inclined to check. > > After all, if these are "our" parties collectively, and not just > >the promoters', shouldn't we take all take an interest in the "bottom > >line"? I think such a move would go some ways toward ending the > >"producer-consumer relationship" that prevents us coming together more > >closely as a community, and so I join with Black Adder and others in > >asking all promoters who care about the scene to show that you trust and > >respect us, and open your books. > > I have a problem with this. This was a for-profit venture. The only talk of > charity was the toys donation, nothing was ever mentioned of money being > donated. What we did know was that it would be a massive, it had an > all-star lineup, and as far as massives go, The Gathering is different in > that it is all above-board and there was a way higher chance of this party > having a much, much better vibe that most of us find as massives. And it > was true, this party was unlike any large party I have ever gone to. There > was a vibe there that I have never found at a party that size. That > definitely differentiates it from any other $20/$25 party of any size that > I have gone to in recent memory. > > If I put the tens of thousands of dollars on the line for this party, I > would hope and expect to make a good profit off of it. I am an > entreprenuer, so I understand the concept of risks and rewards relating to > business ventures. This was a business venture. Martin (and his company) > deserve to be potentially (and actually) rewarded for risking their $$$ to > put this party on. Martin was not the only person to profit from the party. > Other people working this party were paid for their time (lights, lasers, > sound, DJs, etc.) yet I don't hear their name being taken in vain. It seems > the only 'evil' that ever gets talked about in our scene (and yes, I have > done it before too, but lately I have been trying to walk a mile in the > shoes of those I used to critisize, and it's changing my attitude > immensely) are the promoters, but when it comes to a party, large or small, > money losing or incredibly profitable, everybody has their hand out for > $$$, and the promoter is the one paying everybody for everything. > > I will not critisize a party in the future re: $$$ as long as the party is > delivered as expected and that the paying party-goers got a good value for > their $$$. Of course, this is a lot different than a story where people > drop their $20 and don't get anything for it (i.e. a 100% party-stopper > like the Kundalini bust last month that forced everybody out in the street > at 1:30am). > > The Gathering cost $20 + toy or $25, but everybody that I talked to that > dropped their cash + toy or cash felt like they got what they paid for. > > This leads me to believe that Martin and company deserve whatever $$$ they > took home after the bills were paid. Yes it was capitalistic, but damn, he > also delivered the goods! > > -wdc Dear Wayne, As others on this list will surely tell you, you don't need to defend capitalism to me of all people. :) I understand that making a profit is not necessarily bad, indeed it is the profit motive that has created much of what distinguishes us from Neanderthals. Having said that, I feel that there is a time and a place for everything. I think that the phenomenon of people making a living from their involvement in the rave scene has tremendous potential for the scene, both to improve it and to destroy it. In a [was!] recent message on the subject of going to breakfast with new friends met at parties, I talked about how bringing our rave experiences into other areas of our lives could result in the spreading of love and the vibe. If we all could pay our way in society by contributing to parties in some way, this would truly make us a movement worthy of the name, and would open a tremendous number of new and exciting possibilities for us as an intentional community. However when only a few of us are making a living within the scene, I see the potential for a widening gap between the average raver and those in the "inner circle,", the DJs, promoters, etc. who form mutually profitable relationships in the course of putting on events. I do not have a problem with Martin taking home some cash at the end of the night. The amount involved is a factor, of course, but in principle I think it is acceptable, even good, that he and others should be financially compensated for their efforts, and I think most sfravers would agree that this is fair. Most parties search people at the door. This always bothers me a little bit, because it implies a lack of trust. It implies that I cannot be trusted not to bring weapons in which I would use to threaten the health or safety of others. I kind of feel like when I come dressed in happy, fun clothing, with a smile on my face, it should be obvious to the security that I don't need to be searched. Search those scowling guys in the bandanas over there, if you feel the need to search someone. So I can understand how Martin may feel at being asked to show how much money he takes in, and where it goes. The implication is that we don't trust him enough to take him at his word. He may feel like we have the right to demand an accounting of promoters like Cool World, who have a bad rep, but not himself, since he is "one of us," and his heart is in the right place. Hopefully Martin and others will see my request as a desire to be involved, which it is, and a desire see the community grow closer. Neither of these could possibly be motivations for wanting to search someone, I should point out. We live in an Information Age, and personally I feel that the more information of all types that becomes publicly available, the more democratic our society will be. When you think about it, a lot of people and groups derive their power from possessing information that others do not, and in many cases they go to great lengths to keep this information secret in order to preserve their status and privilege. I am not suggesting that this is the case with our rave promoters, but it is something to be aware of. It is the reason people are so reluctant in general to tell others how much money they make -- on some level they realize that money is power, and by revealing their income and its source, they give up some power. The power thus given up cannot really be used to hurt you, however, unless you are afraid that someone will come along and take your job, or if the amount or source(s) of your income contain reason(s) for you to be ashamed. (The only exception I can think of is if you have illegal income and fear the IRS, which is a legitimate reason to maintain secrecy, imo.) On the matter of democratization, I might also point out that sfraves and the other regional rave discussion boards serve as powerful democratizers of our scene merely by being conduits for the free flow of information, and also by being forums where we all are more or less equal. Thoughtfully yours, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 05:59:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id FAA22067; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:59:51 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA22062; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:59:48 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id FAA27219; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:59:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 05:59:39 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Foustus@aol.com cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Looking for some buds (NON-Rave) In-Reply-To: <960112035715_39326546@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My roommate and I are still looking for a third housepersoon for Feb. 1... we live in the upper Market area of S.F. Adam's friend or anyone else looking for a place is welcome to call... For more info, you can reach me at (415) 626-3036 [home] or (415) 270-7887 [page/voicemail]. <<< Starchild >>> On Fri, 12 Jan 1996 Foustus@aol.com wrote: > Hey out there in SLIP-land, > > I have a request from a sfraver that's looking for some others who'd like to > room / rent a house and pay bills together type thingie.... > > She's a really cool cat and is an aspiring Dee-jay (which makes her ultra > cool)... > > Sooo, > If your one of the techno-ly kind and need a roomie or want to rommie > w/others of the scene, then drop me a email and i'll get yer # to her. > > Spins, > > Adam... > "happy, happy, joy, joy" > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 06:56:31 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA25685; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:56:31 -0800 Received: from orion.sfsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA25680; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:56:29 -0800 Received: (from star@localhost) by orion.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id GAA28428; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:56:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:56:25 -0800 (PST) From: Starchild X-Sender: star@orion To: Friends & Family Subject: Phone Tree/Community Building (Please read) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Reading Alex's suggestion on phoning directly rather than starting email flame wars reminded me of an idea I had some time ago, and that is an SFRAVES phone tree. I don't know if such a thing exists or has been attempted before, but if so, no one has told me about it. Judging by all the posts from people trying to recognize strangers at parties, many of us are eager to get in touch with each other! Of course the shyness factor may prevent many of us from calling each other out of the blue, but then maybe some of the shy ravers would appreciate being called by others who are less shy. Many of us can probably think of times when we needed just that little extra push to convince us to go out, or wanted to go somewhere but lacked transportation, or didn't have the confidence to go somewhere by ourselves, or just needed to talk to someone. Chances are that whatever the problem, there was someone on the list who would have been more than happy to brighten our day (or night), if only we'd had their number. A phone tree will also make it easier to communicate information to the list when we're away from our computers, by phoning another sfraver and asking them to post for us, and will allow us to get in touch when the list is down. Anyway, rather than just talk about the need for a phone tree, I've decided to take it upon myself to organize one. Anyone who would like to be included should send me their phone number(s), specifying whether it/they are home, office, pager, etc., along with the following information (optional): City you live in, name you wish to be called when called, whether you can give rides, and whether you would like to be called just whenever or only if it's something really important. I'll compile the names & numbers and post them to the list. I'm probably overlooking some important elements here, so feel free to respond to this and point out my errors. If for some reason you don't want your name/number/etc. posted to the whole list but only to those others revealing the same information, be sure and let me know and I'll forward only to others on the phone tree. As a final note, I've also been thinking about doing a survey of the list, asking some questions like, How old are you? What does the rave scene mean to you? Would you eat green eggs and ham? How long have you been going to parties? What was your favorite party? Maybe even, (shudder) House or techno? :) If you would like to take part in such a survey, please let me know when you send me your phone info. If you don't want to be on the phone tree but would like to take part in a survey, perhaps anonymously, let me know that. If you have ideas for survey questions, send 'em along! Personally, I feel a survey would be very interesting... maybe the first chance a community of ravers has had to take a good look at itself en masse. I think it and the phone tree could bring us much closer as a community, or extended family if you prefer. Then again, maybe there is a real downside to a survey that I haven't thought of. If there is, I'm sure someone will let me know! :) Practicing "family planning", <<< Starchild >>> P.S. - This post is too long already, but one other brief and (mostly) unrelated idea I got from reading Brad's forwarded post from NE-Raves: I don't have time myself to read all the mail from another rave list, but I sometimes wonder what I'm missing. It would be cool if SFRAVES could have a designated "reader" for each of the other regional lists, who would forward to sfraves anything they felt was of particular interest and make a periodic report on what ravers on these other boards are talking about, as far as current topics and threads, volume of postings, etc. For example, an SFRAVER monitoring the Aussie rave list (Capt. Crunch?) might post: This week there were 200 posts to the Aussie rave list. The three [completely fictional] topics with the most posts were: (1) The Expressions of Love massive in Sydney (2) Cigarette smoking at parties (3) New law cracking down on un-permitted raves One really cool review of the Expressions party was posted by XXX, who wrote... I'll bet lots of us would like to know what's going on elsewhere, and would read such reports with interest... I know I would. Much Love, <<< Starchild >>> From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 07:20:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA27368; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:20:04 -0800 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA27363; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:20:01 -0800 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id HAA14243; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:19:33 -0800 From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) Message-Id: <199601151519.HAA14243@netcom15.netcom.com> Subject: SFR recommended Web Sites? To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 07:19:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: MaryP76944@aol.com, kdelic@earthlink.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1361 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello Folks ! Well , I didn't go to anything this weekend , much less Chrysalis - because I was setting up and using some software I acquired before and during MacWorld. One of the packages set me up with the Earthlink ISP for Web Browsing! So now I'm using Netscape Navigator for $20/month to check out web sites and download sound and MPEG software and other stuff , also checking out great sites like http://www.mkzdk.org ( fantastic art! ). Would anyone like to recommend other web sites to me? Don't bother to post your reply on SFRaves if it isn't rave-related - just email me. Of course, if it's a great web site , maybe you would want to turn others on to it! I've already checked out Laura & Brian's wedding pictures at hypereal.com/~laura, and the SFRaver biographies at www.he.net/~swoosh/sfrbios , and the slow video of the fish tank at www1.netscape.com/fishcam/fish_refresh.html , and the Godzilla pages www.ama.caltech.edu/users/mrm/godzilla.html , and the house web pages at I-don't-remember-right-now ... Maybe I shouldn't be staggering around the Web so much ! Oh Yes - for my wife , any recommendations for any sites that have animation or slow video like the fish tank one mentioned above , would be appreciated! Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com PS - I'm still going to keep my NETCOM account for email, FTP , telnet , etc. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 08:24:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA02950; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:24:15 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA02945; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:24:12 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27216; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:33:50 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:33:49 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Alex cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Chrysalis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I think it was John Carel!!!!!!!!!! That man totally rocked my world:):):). Great idea to suspend the turntables from the celling:). LOVE- Reagan On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Alex wrote: > Chrysalis was, as usual, incredible! This was my first sober rave, > and it fully confirmed my theory that when the vibe is that good you can > have a great time no matter what condition you're in! By the way, could > anyone out there tell me who was spinning in the downstairs room between > about 2:15-3:00? Thanks. Time to go back to sleep. Peace. > Alex > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 08:55:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA04967; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:55:11 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA04936; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:55:07 -0800 Received: from [206.86.18.158] (kumi.vip.best.com [206.86.18.158]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA19194 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:55:02 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:55:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199601151655.IAA19194@blob.best.net> Subject: Hi From: kumi To: "sfraves" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi i have seen really nice graphic(text) oriented site check http://www.jodi.org -kumi """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" * <-* G *-> *Kumi Akiyoshi*Genki media* * ******* is the interactive life of buzz From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 10:52:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA13579; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:52:22 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA13573; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:52:18 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01978; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:01:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:01:56 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Chrysalis was ..... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:01:49 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: sfraves@hyperreal Subject: Chrysalis was ..... one hell of a beautiful evening:) I haven't been posting any reviews lately but I definately have to take time out this time. When I first arrived at the party I couldn't seem to figure out what to do with myself. Having been to the same site for Begin Again's NYE party, I found it much less crowded and greatly supplied with couches and rugs:). A big round of applause to John Carel,Minor Minor, Freaky Chakra and Solar- who kept me at the party for an extra 15 minutes with a track from Aphex Twins:). I felt that this party brought me back in contact with my 'family' again. I got to meet a few new Sf ravers like Shawna and Matt and see old faces like Greg & Cindy (cute), Kevin and Jonas:). When Mr. Tony Rotundo stood up in the chill space and yelled out " you better appreciate this";I got chills down my back:). Having missed the first 2 parties, I can see now that Gateway Systems knows how to make anybody feel completely welcome with the care and dedication they bring to the scene!!!! Sending hugs galoreeeee- Reagan P.S.- just for i.d. I was the one who was running around with the bowl full of fruit in the morning:). It was a good idea, but I forgot to bring a garbage bag with me-- oopppssss:) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 11:27:51 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA16641; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:27:51 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA16636; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:27:48 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA04285; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:30:33 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601151130.ZM4283@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:30:33 -0800 In-Reply-To: Reagan Reid "Re: Chrysalis" (Jan 15, 8:33am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Reagan Reid , Alex Subject: Re: Chrysalis Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i would have thought that suspending the decks from the celing would have invited trouble from dancing people upstairs. i would have thought wrong, too. anyway, i agree with ozy that carel's set got a little stale at the end. i made sure to stay late enough to watch andre lucero spin though... he's magic on those decks, completely masterful, effortless, professional. On Jan 15, 8:33am, Reagan Reid wrote: > Subject: Re: Chrysalis > > I think it was John Carel!!!!!!!!!! That man totally rocked my > world:):):). Great idea to suspend the turntables from the celling:). > LOVE- > Reagan > > On Sun, 14 Jan 1996, Alex wrote: > > > Chrysalis was, as usual, incredible! This was my first sober rave, > > and it fully confirmed my theory that when the vibe is that good you can > > have a great time no matter what condition you're in! By the way, could > > anyone out there tell me who was spinning in the downstairs room between > > about 2:15-3:00? Thanks. Time to go back to sleep. Peace. > > Alex > > > > > > >-- End of excerpt from Reagan Reid -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 11:31:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA16864; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:31:04 -0800 Received: from tempest.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA16855; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:31:00 -0800 Received: (from caliban@localhost) by tempest.organic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA04289; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:33:47 GMT From: "Rocky Mullin" Message-Id: <9601151133.ZM4287@tempest.organic.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:33:47 -0800 In-Reply-To: Reagan Reid "Re: Chrysalis" (Jan 15, 8:33am) References: MiscInfo: your chaotic-good formatting slave X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: Reagan Reid , Alex Subject: Chrysalis Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk that reminds me - about sobriety that is. i noticed a complete absence of any alcohol whatsoever at this party. i thought this was a wonderful thing. not that i ran around looking for it or anything... but you usually see it at most underground all-ages parties. i thought the crowd was wonderful and friendly (people sure liked my kilt :) and very responsible. there were to many candles burning for my tastes, though. some firecodes exist for a reason. wonderful party, david and friends!! -- \ c /\ a /\ l /\ i /\ b /\ a /\ n /\ rocky mullin _\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\____/__\ organic online \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ san francisco \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ http://www.organic.com/Staff/caliban ninja250 -- analog synthesis -- chaotic good -- the internet is my ashtray From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 11:35:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA17114; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:35:01 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA17095; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:34:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199601151934.LAA17095@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 11:27:13 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: duplicate names? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i have one request from all the people with duplicate names- could you, somehow, with an initial or something, distinguish yourself? for example, there is matt and matt l. (i'm matt l.) i'm sometimes confused as to which amy is which, and this has happened other times. please, if you could do this for simpletons like me- peace, love, and other fun stuff- matt LLLLL. "peace, like spam, can never be taken in too large a quantity" -me-1996 matthew d. p. k. lanier vox 415-939-8780 "Peace within us, peace over us, peace under our feet. peace behind us, peace around us, let all around us be peace." - David Haas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 12:20:15 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21061; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:20:15 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21053; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:20:09 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id SAA03221; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:15:36 -0200 Received: from du-22.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-22.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.22]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id SAA25186; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:15:33 -0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:15:33 -0200 Message-Id: <199601152015.SAA25186@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jammin' James E." , ne-raves@world.std.com From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: DJs & big egos.. Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Here's my short list for nicest wellknown DJs I have met: > >Scott and Robbie Hardkiss >Carlos >Scott Henry >Juan Atkins >Sista Spinsta >Micro > hello Mr. James E, Esquire !!! I can not agree with you about your list. I think I probably just threw this thread around because I was noticing how some of the people I know turn differently as soon as they become DJ's maybe it is an ego thing, I don't know... I can only tell you that I met many DJs around here, the last one was Mrs. Wood, who was here for a while, and she was a very nice person. She stayed in my friend DJ DUB's house, and her wife, who is only into Soap Operas and lambada though she was really nice, althugh she had all those funny clothes and this crate of records... she never thought women DJ's actually existed, so she was very impressed. Anyway, i also remember meeting laurent garnier, who is a nice guy, and Josh Wink, who i didn't really speak with, but his records were lost on his way to Brazil and I guess he wasn't too happy. It is word-of-mouth here that he will be not warmly welcomed around Rio if he comes back. I also met some other people, those mostly from the house music scene. Some of them, like little louie vega, are not friendly at all, if you are not from MTV or from some magazine, or are extremely nice, such as Tony Humphries and Frankie Knuckles. At teh end, i guess some ppl are nice, some are not..such as in every group or business. ;) DIRCEU :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 12:20:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21082; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:20:20 -0800 Received: from cronopio.ibase.br by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21055; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:20:12 -0800 Received: from fama.ibase.br (fama.ibase.br [200.18.178.14]) by cronopio.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) with SMTP id SAA03215; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:15:32 -0200 Received: from du-22.du.ibase.org.br (dpsrosa@du-22.du.ibase.org.br [200.18.179.22]) by fama.ibase.br (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id SAA25170; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:15:28 -0200 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:15:28 -0200 Message-Id: <199601152015.SAA25170@fama.ibase.br> X-Sender: dpsrosa@pop X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Ali Naderzad From: dpsrosa@ax.ibase.org.br (Dirceu Pereira) Subject: return, scenes and E :( Cc: e boy , ne-raves@world.std.com, dcraves@american.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 02:05 PM 1/13/96 -0500, Ali Naderzad wrote: >yea man... one the best names for a party i've heard in a while... (I've >heard also it can be used as an aphrodisiac!!! ??) > Guarana is an aphrodisiac... and also an excellent energy supply, for those who aren't into taking E and stuff to be able to dance all night. One can not promise you wonderful results by using Guarana, but, it's healthy and has no side effects. there is a sexual "smart drink" that they do here using Guarana, if ppl is interested, i can provide you guys with the recipe, and where to find the stuff in the DC - Baltimore area. And here in Rio... well, I have been spinning in a weekly called "Qua-Qua" and still trying to promote a monthly. its name would be "Mind melt", alhough i am terribly lacking of good ideas at the moment... Things got really difficult here as now, and only now, almost 10 years later, E has become "the fashion drug"... Everywhere there is E, Blue Sunshine, Crystal. It is now turning to a point where DJing became really annoying... 50% of the crowd is looking for or in under effect of E or K, so sometimes it just turns to be very very boring to try to create something nice, while most people would rather dance in a pigsty, with plenty of E on sale. the young middle-class E dealers here are called "E-boys". Sorry about that, Lonnie, they got a hold of your nickname... My new mixtape is almost ready. i only did not do it because I am stuck with things to do, from practising for the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu National Championships to filing applications fo Stanford, from trying to set up my new computer to going to Ipanema Beach. Now you can go to a place called "posto 9" and smoke marijuana there without much harassment from the cops. People on the beach now bring whstles and blow'em everytime the cops are around... so you have plenty of time to hide your cigarettes and whatever you want to. That's fun, everytime i hear tons of whistles !!! I am done for now...sorry to bug you guys, but I have an opposition to a patent application and I should file it at the PTO tomorrow.. ;) DIRCEU :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 12:21:06 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21153; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:21:06 -0800 Received: from ucscb.UCSC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA21126; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:21:00 -0800 Received: by ucscb.UCSC.EDU (5.65/1.34) id AA18026; Mon, 15 Jan 96 12:20:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 12:20:01 -0800 From: swoosh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (John Elias Darrow) Message-Id: <9601152020.AA18026@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Eon... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Since nobody has said anything about Eon, I thought I'd give my view of it. I was feeling more like hearing these big name DJs than trusting what I know would've been a good party. Some times it pays off, like with Plastik last weekend, other times it doesn't like this weekend. It was in a warehouse in Oakland. Actually a good space with that underground rave feeling. Two small bathrooms and a cold draft, which weren't good. It could've been made warmer if people were dancing but... The light show was good... the laser was good. The sound was decent enough for the space. Seems like it had potential. But, I guess there are just many people out there who haven't learned to let go. I guess I was there once, as were most of us. Where you just aren't happy with where you are, and you feel like you're looking for something, so you keep wandering around looking and looking for that thing you don't have. All the while, if you just stopped long enough to realize what's going on and who you are, you would see that you already have it. So everyone at this party just kept moving around looking for the fun, when if they just stopped and started dancing, they might start creating their own fun. But... no. The forces of chaos were just too unfocused here tonight, and nobody was dancing. And then you build up a little bit of energy and someone bumps into you and steals it all away, leaving you dry to start all over again. After a few hours, I decided this was just too much work to hear some new music. and besides, the unfocused nature of the evening also made itself known in the music... It would start getting good, but then the DJ would lose it and start over. so be it... and I left. I think I needed a good nights sleep anyway. Maybe it got better towards the morning. Maybe I needed a bad party to make the next one all the better. There's a lesson in everything. Outside of that, however, I had a phenomenal weekend. Maybe it was because the rest of my weekend was so great, this party just couldn't hold it's own in comparison. anyway, take care. -john. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 13:06:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA27042; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:06:10 -0800 Received: from infinity.c2.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA27029; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:06:00 -0800 Received: from [140.174.185.134] (ppp-06.c2.net [140.174.185.134]) by infinity.c2.org (8.7.1/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14964 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:00:16 -0800 (PST) Community ConneXion: Privacy & Community: Message-Id: <199601152100.NAA14964@infinity.c2.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:08:31 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: standish@c2.org (Michael Standish) Subject: Re:Doing The Right Thing [was - Re: Don't flame(Gathering)] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk quoth Starchild > Most parties search people at the door. This always bothers me a >little bit, because it implies a lack of trust. It implies that I cannot >be trusted not to bring weapons in which I would use to threaten the >health or safety of others. I kind of feel like when I come dressed in >happy, fun clothing, with a smile on my face, it should be obvious to the >security that I don't need to be searched. Search those scowling guys in >the bandanas over there, if you feel the need to search someone. Talk about a vibe killer for the people who do get searched. I sure wouldn't want to be the one who had to explain why they were being searched and not other people. What would I tell them? "Gee I'm sorry but I've just made a snap judgment based solely on how you look and it seems you're not wearing a rave approved, shit eating grin and that bandana is associated with gang members and people of color you know" If you feel like you're not trusted when everybody is being searched, think how you'd feel if you were the only one getting searched. There's also more to look for than just weapons. There's markers, spray paint, glass containers and nitrous tanks. Even the nicest raver can break a glass bottle and thus risk cutting someone's foot. I've worked parties where we didn't search people, and the space ended up so covered with tags that we could never get permission to use the space again. I've also worked F&F where we didn't search anybody and had no problems. It's a tough call, but for a party the size of the Gathering I would definitely search everyone. Michael Standish DoD#732 standish@c2.org CBR600F 510.525.FILM (525.3456) 2 wheels good, 4 wheels bad From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 13:25:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA28433; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:25:00 -0800 Received: from tetons.examen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA28422; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:24:55 -0800 From: amyp@yosemite.examen.com Received: from examen.com by tetons.examen.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tbwOc-002CQXC; Mon, 15 Jan 96 13:24 PST Received: from pongo.examen.com by examen.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08992; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:25:06 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: EON Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 13:24:10 PST Message-Id: <9601152124.0A2C68@pongo.examen.com> X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, personally, I had a great time at EON. The warehouse was kind of small, but a lot of people showed up and I felt a good vibe. :) Dimitry went off! He was just the bomb!! And I have to agree with John, the lights and visuals were excellent. Pierre didn't show and Frankie just slapped each record on and let it play, didn't use a second turntable. ???? Other than that, I had a great time and it kept my mind off other things. I hadn't been to a party since Planet Rock, so I was due for a party. :) peace, amyp From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 13:40:56 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA29954; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:40:56 -0800 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA29945; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:40:49 -0800 From: mrfrog@netcom.com Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA28816; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:40:01 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:39:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: NON-RAVE (Re: ISP../ISDN Prov..) To: SDream cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601121744.JAA25175@shellx.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk anyone care to sell their soul to TCI? (this is a *very* interesting thread btw: a lot of good info) mrfrog On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, SDream wrote: > Why go with telephone lines? There is actually a kind of modem that works > with cable -- that's right, TV cable lines. You get AMAZING throughput. > The problem is, the modem is about the size of a computer itself, and it > costs about $1000. Some of the guys here think that, eventually, cable > companies will also begin providing super high speed Internet access. The > cable is already laid, the circuits are already in place, it's just a matter > of time before they get the size and cost of the modems down. > > S > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 14:13:53 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA02967; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:13:53 -0800 Received: from well.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA02962; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:13:50 -0800 Received: from [206.15.64.212] (sr-tty2-ppp.well.com [206.15.64.212]) by well.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA23304; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:13:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199601152213.OAA23304@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:19:12 +1000 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: crunch@well.com (John Draper) Subject: Chrysalis review Cc: ausrave@student.adelaide.edu.au Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Chrysalis review ----------------- About the only problem I had with Chrysalis was getting there. As usual, their choice for a map site was really fucked if you had to depend on public transpo to get there, and despite the great efforts I had in trying to talk Clair into allowing me to go directly to the venue (2 blocks from where I get off the bus), instead of having to go all the way to the haight (IMPOSSIBLE with the way the SF bus system works). I DID manage to wangle a ride, which costed me almost more than a 2 way cab fare to the haight, but I finally made it there. When I arrived, very few people were there, but things were still getting set up in the upstairs chill room (Where the juices were sold). Upstairs was playing Ambient, and downstairs was the main room. About 12:30 the place was almost packed to capacity, and downstairs, things were going off BIG TIME. Joel (I think) was behind the turn tables at that time, playing some really good house. After that, Freaky Chakra went on LIVE and blew me away with some amazing trancey housey stuff I couldn't identify. Everyone was getting off when they were playing. Thankfully, they had 3 fans downstairs keeping the air circulated, but they didn't provide much relief from the heat. After 2am they allowed people to leave and come back, but I got so engrossed into the music, especially when John Carel went on and played an amazing trance set. I danced his set almost to the very end, but towards the end, things slowed down a bit, and I took the opportunity to find an empty floor space to stretch and chill for a while. After chilling, Andre Lucero slowed things down a tad and played some house, all new stuff I didn't recognize. First time I heard Andre, and he played a refreshing set. Really well done. Eventually, Solar went on and as usual, played a lot of newer stuff, I did recognize a few tracks he played at Sunset last summer, but his sets were even slightly slower and more layed back. I was in my usual trancey mood, enjoying the smooth bouncy tracks. Sometime around 7:30, they served blueberry muffins, croissants, and OJ. By then, I was pretty hungry, and really appreciated the food. Great job, Gateway systems, you all pulled together a really top notch party, that more than made up for the full moon fiasco. I can recommend a good safe MAP point in the SOMA location, should someone contact me, that would make it much easier for us non-driving folks to make it. Just contact me. It's a friends place near 2nd and Townsend (Apartments) and it's SAFE. Crunchman From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 15:01:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA06913; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:01:11 -0800 Received: from desiree.teleport.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA06908; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:01:08 -0800 Received: from julie.teleport.com (shakti@julie.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA24891; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:01:06 -0800 Received: (shakti@localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19415; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:01:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: Brenda Brewer To: Kevin Keiper cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: internet terms... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Kevin Keiper wrote: > hello! > i have been reading some posts on the different kinds of accounts lately, > wishing that i understood all the jargon. perhaps a message could be > composed by someone really in the know, defining some terms: isdn, ppp, > slip, bandwith, etc. im sure i am not alone in my ignorance, and because > 1) these posts have been public, and 2) the info would really benefit all > concerned, some clarification seems in order. i know it is not directly > rave related, but it is important none the less. > > thank you! > > kevin > :) > > p.s. even recommending some books would be nice, if either time and > message length are an issue... > > * > hi...check out his url. it's a real nice glossary that gives basic definitions to start with. http://www.matisse.net/files/glossary.html. also, my opinion on the connectivity discussion is that i subscribe to the list to read about and discuss rave culture so I would like to suggest that these other types of discussions go by personal email or another type of list unless it is somehow related to this list. my .02... bren, aka, shakti :) Singer/Songwriter, lover of sushi, in-line skating, skiing and Santana http://www.teleport.com/~shakti Teleport Internet Services Shakti Internet Consulting Technical Support Staff shakti@teleport.com bb@teleport.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 15:21:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA08084; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:21:04 -0800 Received: from lint.cisco.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA08078; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:21:01 -0800 Received: from bldg-h-dhcpclient51.cisco.com (bldg-h-dhcpclient51.cisco.com [171.68.192.204]) by lint.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id PAA13284 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:19:54 -0800 Received: by bldg-h-dhcpclient51.cisco.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAE35C.FB67F320@bldg-h-dhcpclient51.cisco.com>; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:20:20 -0800 Message-ID: <01BAE35C.FB67F320@bldg-h-dhcpclient51.cisco.com> From: Mohan Veloo To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" Subject: RE: EON Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:20:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I had a pretty good time at EON too. As Amy said, the warehouse was = small but the lights and visuals were excellent. The sound wasn't that = great and at times it wasn't loud enough.. Dimitry was fantastic!!!=20 I was also at Spundae's last night. Now THAT was a cool party! The sound = system in DV8 ROCKED!!! You tend to appreciate the value of a good sound = system more when you have DJs like Dimitry spinning... Also did not = expect so many people to be there on a Sunday night. I left at 7am and = now I'm trying to fight dozing off at work... and I'm not looking = forward to my hour commute back to SF from San Jose after work... :( Mohan ---------- From: amyp@yosemite.examen.com[SMTP:amyp@yosemite.examen.com] Sent: Monday, January 15, 1996 1:24 PM To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: EON Well, personally, I had a great time at EON. The warehouse=20 was kind of small, but a lot of people showed up and I felt a=20 good vibe. :) Dimitry went off! He was just the bomb!! And I have to agree=20 with John, the lights and visuals were excellent. Pierre=20 didn't show and Frankie just slapped each record on and let=20 it play, didn't use a second turntable. ???? Other than that, I had a great time and it kept my mind off=20 other things. I hadn't been to a party since Planet Rock, so=20 I was due for a party. :) peace, amyp From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 15:36:36 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id PAA09232; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:36:36 -0800 Received: from itsa.ucsf.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA09221; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:36:31 -0800 Received: (from keiper@localhost) by itsa.ucsf.EDU (8.6.8/GSC4.24) id PAA13118; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:36:29 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:36:29 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Keiper To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: chrysalis power! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello and yes this is yet another glowing review of this awesome party. first i want to thank gateway for going through all the trouble to organize such a great time for all. this party really blew my mind. so much positive attitudes and smiles. sorry i missed your set joel, but being with you and holly for a while later on *really* made my night. and the music by john and andre really totally sent me. really felt what great music with alot of energy, arranged/mixed/circulated skillfully by sensitive people can do. right on! thank you reagan for the oranges. man, they tasted so good, and the generosity in the gesture really added to an already incredibly envigorating atmosphere. lots of free water too. yeah! i got there after 3am, and by this time it really did not seem too crowded... i have been to many parties there when it really was overcrowded, and this time in comparison, there were less people there. the lasers were awesome, and all the other details, like the large crystal hanging from the ceiling, and the rugs, and the candles, and the juice bar, and the spectrum analyser and oscilloscope etc., were all small details that when appreciated together, made the party a great place to be. i think all these small details show the commitment to ensuring people have a great time. right on again! thank you again! kevin :) From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 17:14:17 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA18528; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:14:17 -0800 Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA18521; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:14:13 -0800 Received: from by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA25569; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:13:27 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:13:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199601160113.RAA25569@ix12.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Chrysalis review To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 17:25:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA19527; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:25:50 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA19521; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:25:47 -0800 Received: from [198.53.26.148] (XR01-A8.citenet.net) by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15167; Mon, 15 Jan 96 20:25:28 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:28:19 -0500 To: mrfrog@netcom.com From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: NON-RAVE (Re: ISP../ISDN Prov..) Cc: SDream , sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, SDream wrote: > >> Why go with telephone lines? There is actually a kind of modem that works >> with cable -- that's right, TV cable lines. You get AMAZING throughput. >> The problem is, the modem is about the size of a computer itself, and it >> costs about $1000. Some of the guys here think that, eventually, cable >> companies will also begin providing super high speed Internet access. The >> cable is already laid, the circuits are already in place, it's just a matter >> of time before they get the size and cost of the modems down. >> >> S >> >> There is a little rumour going around that one of Apple's big secrets is a cable modem that is small and will sell for about $300. Don't quote me though :) brad ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 17:25:57 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA19557; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:25:57 -0800 Received: from elaine26.Stanford.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA19549; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:25:54 -0800 Received: (from gonzo@localhost) by elaine26.Stanford.EDU (8.7.3/8.7.1) id RAA02873; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:25:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:25:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Mark Logan To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: mixing board question... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Could anyone refer me to a catalogue or dealer, online or otherwise, with mixing board stats and prices? Actually, any info, opinions, advice, etc, you could offer would be highly appreciated. I'm looking for a small, simple but durable mixing board with few features and inputs (4?). Thanks for the help! 'twas great seeing so many folk at Chrysalis. I was the guy with the Burger King crown, BTW. see ya, jon From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 17:28:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA19849; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:28:50 -0800 Received: from cti02.citenet.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA19838; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:28:42 -0800 Received: from by cti02.citenet.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB15172; Mon, 15 Jan 96 20:28:31 EST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:31:21 -0500 To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) From: ecto@citenet.net (ecto) Subject: Re: SFR recommended Web Sites? Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I kept this to the list as well because i think that there's other's who'd find this cool to check out :) Last i checked, The Higher Intelligence Agencies site was pretty cool! They're sort of an ambient/acid/dub type group from the UK, one of my fave 'artists' and they're at: http://www.obsolete.com/oscillate/ peace! brad ps-->you gotta give props to a techno group's site that not only gives their top 10 records but top 10 books :) ========================/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\====================== ectographics: print design : HTML programming >>ecto@citenet.net >> ecto@magnet.ca >> http://www.magnet.ca/~ecto >> "if your light's right, your night's bright" -the higher intelligence agency ======================\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/==================== From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 17:31:45 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA20295; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:31:45 -0800 Received: from ix9.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA20283; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:31:41 -0800 Received: from by ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id RAA19484; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:31:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:31:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199601160131.RAA19484@ix9.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Okay. my spoken review! (long!) To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Hey all! I think my first post of my Chrysalis review really says it all for me, and you all who went probably know what I mean, but I still feel the need to actually speak of it! Got there at about 12/12:30 or so, came by myself! I had a much easier time this time around coming by myself than I did the first time I did it. It wasn't so crowded when I first got there, but it certainly thicked up quite a bit in the ensuing hours! The fans were very appreciated, and it was good having some open windows around in the upstairs area. I had a great time! The vibe was really fabulous I thought. Going alone to a party like this is no problem for me, because I know for a fact I'll totally be surrounded by family once I get there! And boy was I! This party really made me feel really good to just be there, whether I was dancing or just hanging in the chill room, or whatever. I really got the feeling that I was among total friends, from those I've met & hung with before to those I've never even seen before, like everything's okay, like if something went wrong you would be helped out & taken care of. That was an important way for me to feel, I've never really felt like that at a rave before, as this was my first small one (my last rave was the Gathering, quite a size difference!) To all those of you that went, thanks for being there, you were all very cool, and helped out muchly with the feeling of the whole thing! It was great also because I got to meet a lot of new sfravers, more than I've met at previous parties: found Rocky Mullin, Matthew p.d.k. Lanier (deserves great mention!), Black Adder, Jonathan (the burger king crown guy!), Reagan Reid, Greg & Cindy, & Ozy (forrest)! Also saw some familiar faces, Wayne, Amy & her friend Melanie (very cool!), Tim (knucklehead), & Tom Leichardt. Also met Myster E. who was floating about the place, & laid eyes on Crunchman, although I never ended up meeting him. I love meeting all you people, It's real nice to finally connect a face & person to the typed words that show up on my computer! Even got to introduce a couple of sfravers to each other, which is cool! It's funny to see the look on people's faces when they've been talking for a while, and then they realize they're both sfravers. Anyway, it was all cool! Dug the chill room with the rugs, couches, juice, fruit & smoothies. Water was abundant, dug the collective feeling of everybody in the place, and I hope another one of these comes around soon! Looking forward to FnF, of course, hope to see all you there! Love, Shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 17:52:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id RAA21771; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:52:00 -0800 Received: from liberty.liberty.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA21758; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:51:56 -0800 Received: from default (ppp412.liberty.com [206.17.67.76]) by liberty.liberty.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29611 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:51:38 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960116015156.006efe10@199.89.140.103> X-Sender: brianvan@199.89.140.103 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:51:56 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Brian DarknEs^2 Subject: (NON_RAVE) PC Computer Stuff for Sale...... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BY YOUR COMMAND; I have the following items for sale cheap: AMD486DX266 CPU - $40.00 USRobotics 14.4Kbps Modem & Fax, Internal $35.00 First come first receive...... Please respond privately...... 31 seconds & we're going for auto-sequence start........................... see ya's in space......4321.........darknes^2 out>>>>>>>>____........ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 18:09:24 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id SAA23156; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:09:24 -0800 Received: from CyberGate.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA23150; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:09:21 -0800 From: morton@CyberGate.COM Received: by CyberGate.COM (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Cybergate Information Services) id CAA04421; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:11:08 GMT Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:11:08 -0800 (PST) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: What's on for Jan 20th? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello All, I've just been observing as of late and I haven't been to a party since the Gathering. I'm the girl who lives in Fresno. I'm planning on coming to SF on the 20th for a party. Is there a good one? I looked on the calendar but nothing was listed for that date (except the weeklies). What's up? I would love to go anywhere Doc Martin is playing so can someone please keep me posted. My home number is (209) 447-9536 for anyone who wants to call with info/plans. Thanks:) Marty p.s. Hi Shawna! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 19:07:50 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA28845; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:07:50 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA28838; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:07:47 -0800 Received: (from raygun@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA24636; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:17:24 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:17:23 -0800 (PST) From: Reagan Reid To: Shawna McGourty cc: SFRAVES@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Chrysalis review In-Reply-To: <199601160113.RAA25569@ix12.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Girlie:):):) I'm glad I got to meet you!!! Sorry I didn't stay in one place and chat--- I'm a hyper-child:):). Love- Reaganx On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Shawna McGourty wrote: > Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!! > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 19:14:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA29174; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:14:34 -0800 Received: from hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA29168; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:14:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199601160314.TAA29168@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: by hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA068782216; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:16:56 -0800 From: Erik Bartels Subject: EUROPA To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 19:16:56 PST Cc: accompli@sirius.com, seofon@aol.com Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk <-EUROPA-> Grand Opening: Wednesday 17 January 1995 Club DV8, basement level --------------------------- TranceTechnoAmbientIndustrialExperimental --------------------------- 3 soundsystems -- new sensory input DJ's: Evol.Twin, Seofon, Bat $5 cover all noght, full bar 21+please Continuing on subsequent Wednesdays Live performances, giveaways, special events, videos For participation or information, email seofon@aol.com with "Europa" in subject line, or call (415)789-7359. --- posted c/o erik From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 21:55:48 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id VAA08748; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:55:48 -0800 Received: from ultima.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA08741; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:55:43 -0800 From: freakz@ultima.org Message-Id: <199601160555.VAA08741@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from ultima.org by ultima.org; Mon, 15 Jan 96 21:46 PST X-Sender: freakz@ultima.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Length: 441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:54:37 -0800 To: Starchild , Friends & Family Subject: Re: Phone Tree/Community Building (Please read) Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Anyway, rather than just talk about the need for a phone tree, >I've decided to take it upon myself to organize one. > Anyone who would like to be included should send me their phone >number(s), specifying whether it/they are home, office, pager, etc., You can call my vioce mail number (415) 227-7421 -Sean Freakz@ultima.org F R E A K Z O N E ! (415) 227-7421 "House music ain't no crime" "Die marke mit den 3 streifen" From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 23:16:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA12662; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:16:22 -0800 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA12656; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:16:18 -0800 From: Foustus@aol.com Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA19742 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:15:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:15:46 -0500 Message-ID: <960116021545_43245240@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Chrysalis & chakra Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello all..... Well chrysalis was great as ususal and Freaky Cha was pretty good too (I sorta fell asleep on the left speaker during his performance). Killer vibe.... well I gots to sleep now so.... C-ya at Mos Isley, P.s. I and rikki thank you for the roommate offers, and thoses that have responded will probs. hear from her soon. Spins, Adam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Mon Jan 15 23:51:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id XAA14930; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:51:30 -0800 Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA14925; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 23:51:27 -0800 From: CozmicSky@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA13506 for sfraves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:50:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 02:50:54 -0500 Message-ID: <960116024633_62398615@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Car Rides... Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello Gang, It is Pam from Santa Rosa. I want to know if there is anyone North of SF that is into car pooling to parties in the city. When going to raves in the city, I usually go by myself, since it is rare to find anyone of the House music breed in this town. But for fun and safety reasons I think it would be alot better car pooling, plus then you can take turns driving. It is hard sometimes staying awake when you have got to make a 47 mile ride back home with no one to keep you awake!!! Rolling down the window and having your favorite tape on really loud, sometimes doesn't work to well. Drop me some mail, if your any where north or know someone up north. Thank you. Pam From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 07:43:11 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA23904; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 07:43:11 -0800 Received: from cyberE.creative.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA23899; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 07:43:09 -0800 Received: from [204.71.217.92] (bigz.creative.net [204.71.217.92]) by cyberE.creative.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10558; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 07:40:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 07:40:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601161540.HAA10558@cyberE.creative.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman) Subject: Re: SFR recommended Web Sites? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi Larry, I've got some pictures from the Sunset Parties at my Page, enjoy :-) http://www.bigz.com/ bigz@bigz.com Jon Zimmerman At 7:19 AM 1/15/96 -0800, Larry Ching wrote: >Hello Folks ! > > Well , I didn't go to anything this weekend , much less Chrysalis - >because I was setting up and using some software I acquired before and during >MacWorld. One of the packages set me up with the Earthlink ISP for Web >Browsing! So now I'm using Netscape Navigator for $20/month to check out >web sites and download sound and MPEG software and other stuff , also checking >out great sites like http://www.mkzdk.org ( fantastic art! ). > > Would anyone like to recommend other web sites to me? Don't bother to >post your reply on SFRaves if it isn't rave-related - just email me. Of course, >if it's a great web site , maybe you would want to turn others on to it! > > I've already checked out Laura & Brian's wedding pictures at >hypereal.com/~laura, >and the SFRaver biographies at www.he.net/~swoosh/sfrbios , and the slow video >of the fish tank at www1.netscape.com/fishcam/fish_refresh.html , and the >Godzilla pages www.ama.caltech.edu/users/mrm/godzilla.html , and the house >web pages at I-don't-remember-right-now ... > > Maybe I shouldn't be staggering around the Web so much ! > > Oh Yes - for my wife , any recommendations for any sites that have animation > or slow video like the fish tank one mentioned above , would be appreciated! > > Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com > >PS - I'm still going to keep my NETCOM account for email, FTP , telnet , etc. Jon Zimmerman (415)664-6645 bigz@bigz.com http://www.bigz.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 08:29:09 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA26306; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:29:09 -0800 Received: from nixon.ind.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA26301; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:29:06 -0800 Received: (from lmnt@localhost) by nixon.ind.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA15872; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:50:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:50:43 -0500 (EST) From: e colmar To: Starchild cc: Foustus@aol.com, sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Looking for some buds (NON-Rave) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello! I'm also searching for roommates. We have two bedrooms opening up at our house in the oakland hills. It is super chill, and far enough away from the neighbors to be as loud as we want. We've got lots of good energy and want to share it with some honest/likeminded/positive/spiritual ravers. Please contact me at lmnt@c2.org if you're interested. ::hugs:: e colmar Hail Eris! _______ _____________________________ | CDJ LMNT | | Aural Pilot | /| _______| HTTP://nixon.ind.net/~lmnt/ |_______|/ |__________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 09:10:10 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA29991; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:10:10 -0800 Received: from relay.interserv.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29961; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:10:03 -0800 From: sunboy@interserv.com Received: from 199.174.141.151 (ad38-151.compuserve.com) by relay.interserv.com with SMTP id AA07196 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for sfraves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:09:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:09:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199601161709.AA07196@relay.interserv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Matthew's new account! To: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Matthew (who was from Oaktown) here from Ventura CA! Please note the new email address! Scool starting and loving it. I'm sad I missed Chrysalis :( Tomorrow is another day! I still think about you all! Be safe! From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 09:57:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id JAA03908; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:57:18 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA03902; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:57:13 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id JAA12428; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:57:08 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:57:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199601161757.JAA12428@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Synthetic Review X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Many props go out to the promoters and supporters of this party. They put alot of hard work into it and it showed. This was definately one of the best Sacto raves I've been to. The space was incredible...a virgin wareshouse with high ceilings and plenty of space...but not to big either. There were three very clean bathrooms that all worked...all night. They stayed clean too....and we all know that's a definate +. Lots of nice visual art on the walls with minimal but sufficient lighting. The sound was top notch. Four huge cabinets blasting somthing like 16000 watts (I'm quoting Andrew the sound god here). Clean..crisp sound that was not so loud that you couldn't get away from it. One of the last dj's spun jungle and it was a bit loud if you were up front, but I stayed back and all was good. There was a small pool of styrofoam packing stuff to play in that was quite fun. The temperature stayed cool all night....never got too hot. And let me tell you about the ambient space. (which many of you know this is the make it or break it selling point for me) By far...the best ambient space I've ever been in/played in. Let's start with the floor shall we....Carpet..with carpet pad. They just happened to be driving by a house that was being recarpeted and scored all the old stuff and the padding. Super big space that was completely carpeted. Lots of tapestries, pictures, art and general stuff hanging from the walls and the 25 foot ceilings. With a nice sound barrier that they built to minimize the sound bleeding from the main room. It worked quite well. And there were christmas trees....lots of them. They lined one whole wall and wrapped around in kind of a square spirial into the center of the room. It was kind of a private chill spot within the chil spot. They also brought in a five foot fat log to sit on to complete the wood'sy feel. We had the decks and all the live equipment sitting on crates about a foot off the floor so as to be on the same level with all the sitting/laying people. Really nice chill vibe all night. Props to Fil for his ambient/triphop/acidjazzy set. It felt really good. The only problem I had was that one of my keyboards started going crazy and playing notes that I was not telling it to play. Sorry to any of your ears that may have been infected. Ten minutes later after not being able to figure out what was going wrong and stressing heavily I just turned it off then back on and everything worked fine. Wish I would have thought of that before. It was all good in the end. Thanks to my friend Eric for playing with me on three hours notice. The only thing that was lacking was a strong vibe. I think alot of Sac people could use some lessons in vibe creating from many of you on this list. The vibe was there, and I experienced it with a few people who were helping to create it. It just seemed that many of the people there just wouldn't let go....which is what I did....and several times lost my mind.... I had total fun dancing...and it's been a while since that has happened. Well I think I've ranted enough. Until next time Synthetic. Thanks for listening. Rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 10:37:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA07311; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:37:21 -0800 Received: from saclink1.csus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA07303; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:37:15 -0800 Received: by saclink1.csus.edu (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA036657024; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:30:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy R Starkey Subject: Re: Synthetic Review To: Rick Riffle Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601161757.JAA12428@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The only thing that was lacking was a strong vibe. I think alot of Sac > people could use some lessons in vibe creating from many of you on this > list. The vibe was there, and I experienced it with a few people who were > helping to create it. It just seemed that many of the people there just > wouldn't let go.... Gosh, not to dis Sac or anything - but the reason you mentioned above is the exact reason why I make the hour and a half drive to SF *all the time*! I know many sac people that wont go to local parties because SF is just better. I still go to local parties every once in a while....I plan to go to Groove Trip to support one of my best friends who is spinning (dj Q). It is really sad. I personally know many of the promoters and most all of them have hearts of gold with the best of intentions. But generally the people that go to these events don't put as much into it - they don't "loose themselves" as you say. John Darrow made the point about EON that people kept searching for the vibe and it never came, when all you have to do is start it yourself. That is how I *always* feel at a Sacramento event. The vibe is always just out of reach. I have fun, sure - I have many friends here. But I have never had one experience here that comes close to the fantastic orgasmic times I've had in SF. One exception would be Elevation that was held in the mountains last fall. I did have a great time there and the vibe was right on. If only it happened more often. love, Amy From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 10:48:59 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08222; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:48:59 -0800 Received: from nixon.ind.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08215; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:48:55 -0800 Received: (from lmnt@localhost) by nixon.ind.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA16281; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:10:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:10:52 -0500 (EST) From: e colmar To: SFRaves Subject: Raver/accountant needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for a trustworthy raver who knows accounting, that would be willing to manage the books for a rave industry based company, with interests in: promotion, equipment rental, graphics, act booking, and other scene needs. We have been active for two and a half years now, and we've decided that it is time to become legitimate. We are extremely laid back, but hard working in that we love what we do. We are still in the preperation stages, and expect the project to be underway in two to three months. If you're interested, let's get together. feel free to contact me at this address, or at: lmnt@c2.org Thanks for your time and bandwidth ::one big fat hug to all y'all:: e _______ _____________________________ | CDJ LMNT | | Aural Pilot | /| _______| HTTP://nixon.ind.net/~lmnt/ |_______|/ |__________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 10:51:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08474; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:51:20 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08469; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:51:17 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id KAA22603; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:51:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:51:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199601161851.KAA22603@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: Synthetic Review X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk We have to make it ourselfs...by supporting parties in this area. Many people need to feel it to really know it exists. I think a f&f or crysalis would do great at the location of this event. I think people may even make the treck from sf to attend a good party in a fresh location...and give some lessons in vibe. Don't get me wrong...Sac's not all bad. If you search, you can find the vibe....and I have at several Sac parties. It usually just doesn't hit you in the face like some sf party experiences. rick > > >> The only thing that was lacking was a strong vibe. I think alot of Sac >> people could use some lessons in vibe creating from many of you on this >> list. The vibe was there, and I experienced it with a few people who were >> helping to create it. It just seemed that many of the people there just >> wouldn't let go.... > > >Gosh, not to dis Sac or anything - but the reason you mentioned above is >the exact reason why I make the hour and a half drive to SF *all the time*! >I know many sac people that wont go to local parties because SF is just >better. I still go to local parties every once in a while....I plan to go >to Groove Trip to support one of my best friends who is spinning (dj Q). >It is really sad. I personally know many of the promoters and most all >of them have hearts of gold with the best of intentions. But generally >the people that go to these events don't put as much into it - they don't >"loose themselves" as you say. John Darrow made the point about EON that >people kept searching for the vibe and it never came, when all you have >to do is start it yourself. That is how I *always* feel at a Sacramento >event. The vibe is always just out of reach. I have fun, sure - I have >many friends here. But I have never had one experience here that comes >close to the fantastic orgasmic times I've had in SF. One exception >would be Elevation that was held in the mountains last fall. I did have >a great time there and the vibe was right on. If only it happened more >often. > >love, >Amy > > > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 10:54:21 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id KAA08746; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:54:21 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08736; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:54:17 -0800 Received: from milkweed.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (milkweed.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.96.106]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00075 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:54:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:54:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199601161854.KAA00075@uclink4.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Michal Migurski Subject: nam, are you out there??? Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk nam/jstsmilin, haven't heard from you in weeks and your address doesn't seem to exist anymore??? I hope you still read this list wherever you are, please respond. -mikey 0=---------------------=0=----------------------=0 | http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/ | | ...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't... | | -> but patience always helps! <- | 0=---------------------=0=----------------------=0 From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 11:10:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA10284; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:10:26 -0800 Received: from tetons.examen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA10278; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:10:22 -0800 From: amyp@yosemite.examen.com Received: from examen.com by tetons.examen.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0tcGlv-002CQeC; Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:10 PST Received: from pongo.examen.com by examen.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13071; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:10:30 -0800 To: sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu Subject: Re: Synthetic Review Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 11:09:31 PST Message-Id: <9601161909.1F9200@pongo.examen.com> X-Mailer: SelectMAIL 1.2 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Amy, amyp here. I definitely agree with you. I don't know why, but here in Sac we just don't have the vibe. I love to support Jason(Groove Trip Prod.) and my other friends who put together parties, but like you said, that's why I go to the city. The crowds and all together vibe is soooo awesome. Not to say that the Sac family is not wonderful. They are indeed! If you notice, not many people will drive from S.F.to go to a Sac party. Why? We don't have it here. That's too bad. Mikey(In Touch Prod.) has been having his parties in the bay, and more people attend. Anyway, I really don't know what to do about this, we just need to get together and find out what "rave vibes" are all about. :) We all have it in us. I love all the Sac kids. peace guys, amyp From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 11:12:35 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA10591; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:12:35 -0800 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA10524; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:12:28 -0800 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA00876; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:11:17 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:11:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199601161911.LAA00876@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: mikecope@ix.netcom.com (Michael Copeland ) Subject: Jan 20th. Spacing Out To: amaranth@dsp.com To: sfraves@hyperreal.com To: Marco_A._Mancia@sfbayguardian.com To: djtom@svpal.org To: bigz@bigz.com To: keiper@itsa.ucsf.edu To: trippen@aol.com To: swoosh@cats.ucsc.edu To: cozmicsky@aol.com Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here is what is happening on Jan 20th. Alien Believers present: SPACING OUT BLeSeD, Sausee, Dreamer, and others. Info/message line: (510) 926-8178 This will be at Sausee's house. BASSment has 3 rooms! NO Neighbors! ONLY A $2.00 DONATION! Peace M.C. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 11:42:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id LAA13403; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:42:20 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA13398; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:42:17 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id LAA20124; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:41:33 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id LAA01365; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:41:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 11:41:30 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: A Suggestion To: KaySEE cc: Tim McDonnell , sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i felt that i needed to tell everyone that i was sorry for what i misunderstood..i think some people could have been upset at what i said so i wanted to make myself clear..... i agree that personal posts should be personal posts! dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 12:30:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA17644; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:30:01 -0800 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA17625; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:29:54 -0800 Received: from si.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id MAA01501; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:29:48 -0800 Received: by si.UCSC.EDU (8.6.12/4.7) id MAA06957; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:29:48 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri K Gortinsky Subject: Re: Eon... To: John Elias Darrow cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9601152020.AA18026@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk also went to eon.... really enjoyed dmitri's jungle part of his set.... the rest was ok.... dimitri From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 12:52:26 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21564; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:52:26 -0800 Received: from blob.best.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21471; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:52:08 -0800 Received: from ehill.vip.best.com (ehill.vip.best.com [205.149.180.37]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01908 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:51:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:51:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199601162051.MAA01908@blob.best.net> X-Sender: ehill@best.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: Eric Hill Subject: Re: Synthetic Review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >If you notice, not many people will drive from S.F.to go to a >Sac party. Why? We don't have it here. You must be talking about information. A friend of mine was going up to sac for the holidays and asked me what he could check out (clubs/record stores) while he was there. I had to regretfully/surprisingly tell him that there was no information available on the SFR calendar. He ended up being bored for a week. eh From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 12:55:20 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id MAA21938; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:55:20 -0800 Received: from ix5.ix.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA21927; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:55:14 -0800 Received: from by ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id MAA19193; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:54:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:54:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199601162054.MAA19193@ix5.ix.netcom.com> From: shawna-@ix.netcom.com (Shawna McGourty) Subject: Hello again To: SFRAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Sender: owner-sfraves@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Hey all Just sitting around at lunchtime (I live a block away from work!) reading emails. It's annoying to be back at work, cause after Chrysalis I miss you all already! Hope to see you all again soon. Love, shawna From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 13:04:04 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA00311; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:04:04 -0800 Received: from dons.ac.usfca.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00294; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:03:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199601162103.NAA00294@taz.hyperreal.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:56:34 PST X-Sender: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) Subject: once again, matt l. needs an energy dose! Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all- i, matt l, being of sound mind and body, hereby request any energy reserves that you are willing to spare. i just, last night, discovered something very disturbing about my relationship with my girlfriend (jake reichert, don't mention this to anyone! or else!) and many of my future plans of marriage with this girl are suddenly in jeopardy. as you can figure, i'm sitting here watching my world crash and the only thing i can focus on is my computer (fancy that). i need to ask for a dose of energy from anyone willing to give it, and will return it as soon as i am able. thank you all- peace, love, and other relationship crap- matt l. matthew d. p. k. lanier cell 415-939-8780 home (for the next coupld days) 408-377-6829 "Peace within us, peace over us, peace under our feet. peace behind us, peace around us, let all around us be peace." - David Haas From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 13:09:07 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA00759; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:09:07 -0800 Received: from gw.steam.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA00742; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:09:04 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.12]) by gw.steam.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA05486 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:36:24 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA29640 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:00:47 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA04478; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:58:12 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:58:10 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re: Looking for some buds (NON-Rave) (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Aw right, after a number of posts I received, including being slightly chastised for posting this, I have to make a statement. The following post was a JOKE. Get it, I was JOKING. I was not soliciting nor requesting. I was simply acknowledging the PUN. But, I will never do that again. Man, I thought it was a pretty obvious pun at that, but I was dead wrong. Having to explain a pun really sucks too!!! :) Then it is no longer punny!! :) Now I am punned out and slightly confused no one appreciated my humor except the author himself!! Adios Amigos, kc ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE To: Foustus@aol.com Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Looking for some buds (NON-Rave) ^^^^ killer green ones? From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 13:13:00 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA01226; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:13:00 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA01219; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:12:55 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA28621 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:15:08 GMT Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA18778 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:12:55 -0800 Message-Id: <199601162112.NAA18778@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:33:41 -0800 To: sfraves@hyperreal.com From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Spundae X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Got some comments and some questions: Spundae: YES! The beat in the Keith Herring (sp?) room was ON! Bone shaking BASS and phat mixes. Heard some Planet Rock (the song) getting mixed in, haven't heard that in quite a while. Lots of rooms, lots of people but not too crowded, lots of great vibe. Met a few people (wassup Tom, Sharon, Virginia!) and danced my butt off. Nothing quite like driving home just as the 6am morning commute is starting up...hehe... Wiped out the next day, but by 9pm I was ready to do it again! That's the kind of venue that could make me want to do the do every night. Now for the questions: Who was on the turntables in the Keith Herring room at 1:30, 3:00, and 3:30? I was too busy working the stage to check it out, but the people in the room were going nuts to some really phat beat. I GOTTA KNOW! S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 13:26:22 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA02809; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:26:22 -0800 Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02795; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:26:17 -0800 Received: from by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.6.12/UCD3.4.3) id NAA21753; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:22:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:22:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199601162122.NAA21753@franc.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: szriffle@peseta.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Diane Tabellija" From: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Subject: Re: Re[2]: Synthetic Review Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm totally into this idea. I don't know if I can do it on a monthly/regular basis, but I would definately like to participate with a group that goes into an event with the intention of creating a vibe. It's a microcosom of how we have agreed to develop our spiritually and hold/bring the light/love to this planet so others can feel it/know it exists. There's gotta be a better way to say that.... Hope you understood, and if you didn't...you will. Rick >discovered. Perhaps a group of sfravers might want to consider "juicing a jam" >with me. I've done this with another dance group where we all attend a >particular party once a month and converge with smiles, hugs, and tons of luvin' >energy. This might also be a way for alot of us who haven't met to connect too! > After doing this a few times, the community can grow in numbers and >interactions outside of raves as people look forward to attending an event >that's being juiced based on positive energy. > >So if any of you want to join me in this endeavor, let me know and we can blast >our luv phasers sometime in early February. > >Oooo, just writing writing this makes me tingle knowing what positive energy we >can share. Hope you feel it too! > >Hugs and warm smiles, >Diane > From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 13:32:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA03496; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:32:34 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA03490; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:32:29 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA00067; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:34:43 GMT Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA28335; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:32:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199601162132.NAA28335@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:53:16 -0800 To: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: once again, matt l. needs an energy dose! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >i, matt l, being of sound mind and body, hereby request any energy reserves >that you are willing to spare. HHHHHIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSZZZZZZAAAAAAPPPPP!!!!!! Consider yourself energized... Ok, how about this, a little humor. I'd love to say I created this, but I didn't. On the other hand, I've been thinking of using excerpts in my resume from now on: --------- 3A. ESSAY IN ORDER FOR THE ADMISSIONS STAFF OF OUR COLLEGE TO GET TO KNOW YOU, THE APPLICANT, BETTER, WE ASK THAT YOU ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTION: ARE THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT EXPERIENCES YOU HAVE HAD, OR ACCOMPLISHMENTS YOU HAVE REALIZED, THAT HAVE HELPED TO DEFINE YOU AS A PERSON? I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees, I write award-winning operas, I manage time efficiently. Occasionally, I tread water for three days in a row. I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing, I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook Thirty-Minute Brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru. Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon Basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I play bluegrass cello, I was scouted by the Mets, I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of charge. I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear. I don't perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been caller number nine and have won the weekend passes. Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal-force demonstration. I bat .400. My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany circles. Children trust me. I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations for the CIA. I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The laws of physics do not apply to me. I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid. On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. I breed prizewinning clams. I have won bullfights in San Juan, cliff-diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and spelling bees at the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, and I have spoken with Elvis. But I have not been to college. From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 13:41:30 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA04419; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:41:30 -0800 Received: from alpha.xerox.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA04362; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:41:15 -0800 Received: from godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com ([13.242.128.10]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15562(15)>; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:36:10 PST Received: from beluga.adoc.xerox.com ([13.242.128.26]) by godzilla.ADOC.xerox.com with SMTP id <5870>; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:36:03 -0800 Received: from cc:Mail SMTPLINK 2.1 by beluga.adoc.xerox.com id AA821824742; Tue, 16 Jan 96 12:38:19 PST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:38:19 PST From: "Diane Tabellija" Message-Id: <9600168218.AA821824742@beluga.adoc.xerox.com> To: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re[2]: Synthetic Review Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rick, I am so glad that you uphold the idea of making and sharing *vibe* rather than going out looking for it. Sometimes, we all want to be nurtured and look for a good vibe party or group to hang with but ultimately, we all know we can tap into this energy on our own...we've just forgotten how to on a natural basis. Music, dance, and raving plays an important role by overloading our physical senses allowing us to override our egos (or sense of self) and to reattune our spiritual self to the connective energy we all share. I believe that as a group, if we are to progress in our beliefs of higher consciousness, after gaining awareness comes sharing and education of what we've discovered. Perhaps a group of sfravers might want to consider "juicing a jam" with me. I've done this with another dance group where we all attend a particular party once a month and converge with smiles, hugs, and tons of luvin' energy. This might also be a way for alot of us who haven't met to connect too! After doing this a few times, the community can grow in numbers and interactions outside of raves as people look forward to attending an event that's being juiced based on positive energy. So if any of you want to join me in this endeavor, let me know and we can blast our luv phasers sometime in early February. Oooo, just writing writing this makes me tingle knowing what positive energy we can share. Hope you feel it too! Hugs and warm smiles, Diane ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Synthetic Review Author: rdriffle@ucdavis.edu (Rick Riffle) at beluga-mail Date: 1/16/96 11:39 AM We have to make it ourselfs...by supporting parties in this area. Many people need to feel it to really know it exists. I think a f&f or crysalis would do great at the location of this event. I think people may even make the treck from sf to attend a good party in a fresh location...and give some lessons in vibe. Don't get me wrong...Sac's not all bad. If you search, you can find the vibe....and I have at several Sac parties. It usually just doesn't hit you in the face like some sf party experiences. rick From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 13:49:34 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA05053; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:49:34 -0800 Received: from club.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05043; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:49:31 -0800 Received: from [157.22.222.111] by club.net with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:49:19 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:49:10 -0800 To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream), sfraves@hyperreal.com From: "Wayne D. Correia" Subject: Re: Spundae Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk At 1:33 PM 1/16/96, SDream wrote: >Got some comments and some questions: > >Spundae: YES! The beat in the Keith Herring (sp?) room was ON! Bone >shaking BASS and phat mixes. Heard some Planet Rock (the song) getting >mixed in, haven't heard that in quite a while. Lots of rooms, lots of >people but not too crowded, lots of great vibe. Met a few people (wassup >Tom, Sharon, Virginia!) and danced my butt off. Nothing quite like driving >home just as the 6am morning commute is starting up...hehe... Wiped out the >next day, but by 9pm I was ready to do it again! That's the kind of venue >that could make me want to do the do every night. > >Now for the questions: Who was on the turntables in the Keith Herring room at >1:30, 3:00, and 3:30? I was too busy working the stage to check it out, but >the people in the room were going nuts to some really phat beat. I GOTTA KNOW! > >S That was my first Spundae. It was pretty crowded for a weekly club, and especially a Sunday! The vibe was surprisingly good, too. I also saw a lot of familiar faces. I saw Carlos ripping it up in the basement around the same time Dimirti was spinning upstairs. The tiny Teknotika room was always packed and had a nice piece of art on the wall that was in the juice bar room at Chrysalis the night before. In the main room, the Keith Haring room, featuring their new "6-way digital sound system" :-) was: from 11:30pm - 1:00am EFX from 1:00am - 2:30am Dimitry (Dee-Lite) (he played the Planet Rock song) I got really tired, being out at Chrysalis all night the night before, so I left around 2:00am. I don't know who came on after that for sure, but I got the impression that either the 2:30-4:00 or 4:00-5:30 slot was going to be Doc Martin. When I left at 2:00am I still hadn't seen Doc anywhere in the building, so he may have played the closing set. -w ____________________________________________________________________________ 900 Tennessee St. TEL: +1.415.826.6000 San Francisco CA 94107-3014 FAX: +1.415.826.6100 http://www.club.net/ ____________________________________________________________________________ From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 13:56:25 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id NAA05850; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:56:25 -0800 Received: from mailx.best.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA05845; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:56:22 -0800 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by mailx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA01315; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 21:58:37 GMT Received: from tgrigsby (tgrigsby.us.dhl.com [199.41.131.181]) by shellx.best.com (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07939; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:56:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199601162156.NAA07939@shellx.best.com> X-Sender: tgrigsby@best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:17:09 -0800 To: lanima00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Matthew D. P. K. Lanier) From: SDream@tgrigsby.com (SDream) Subject: Re: once again, matt l. needs an energy dose! Cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >many of my future plans of >marriage with this girl are suddenly in jeopardy. as you can figure, i'm >sitting here watching my world crash ... B.S. That's how it feels, sure, but you know that everything is fine. Look, I love a lot of people. I can say that without inhibition. But I wouldn't marry them, y'know? I love my friend Sean like a brother, but I wouldn't even have him as a roommate -- no offense Sean, if you happen across this... You could probably continue to love her, and she could always be a special friend, but move on. There are so many really wonderful people around. Don't sweat it. Know what I do? I start taking my lady friends to lunch. A different one every day. Nothing expensive or anything, just someplace decent. The female company is really nice, you can strengthen the friendship with the gesture, and they're always super supportive. I can complain about the relationship, or I can just soak up a little pleasant conversation. Makes me feel a lot better, and often they'll try to set me up with someone. Women are much better at match-making than men, IMHO. Peas, S From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 14:15:14 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA07762; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:15:14 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA07697; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:15:08 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA09934; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:14:44 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199601162214.OAA09934@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Tools of Freaky Chakra (for gearheads) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:14:43 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3530 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To fellow musicians and DJs with live sound asperations (sp). (I'm not sure this info is wholy relevant to the list, but I'm sure there's a few of you out there who, like me, live on this stuff.) : I was very interested in seeing what gear Freaky Chakra used to do his live techno performance. I like this live sound dance gig format. I'm interested in doing it myself someday. So, I made a special effort of looking down on top of Mr. Freaky during his performance. I think it is especailly interesting to compare this guys gear usage to that of Banco de Gaia. I wish that oportunity to see Eat Static didn't fall through. The stuff: * Ensoniq SD-1 ( not SQ-1 ) synthisizer. This was his only sequencer. I'm not familiar with Ensoniq on board sequencers, but I wouldn't be suprised if they have special features to facilitate live performance. He was all over this keyboard (the buttons, not the keys)most of the performance. * Roland TR-909 * Sequential Pro-One. I don't think he used this much. * Novation Bass-station Rack. Always going. * Ensoniq DP/4. I want one! This was the only effects box I saw, but who needs any more. * Emax II sampler. I believe he only used this for some vocal samples. That's the only time I saw him go for the volume slider on it. * Ensoniq mirage sampler rack. Old gear. I doubt he used this much as well. * Roland JV-## rack. I think I remember seeing a single rack space synth of this type in there. * Mackie 1604 mixer. He had levels set from the beginning and didn't touch them much from what I could tell. I think he always brought up the levels on the individual instruments instead. Like I said before, he was controlling everything from the SD-1 sequencer. * Compressor/Limiters. Lots of this all the time. Probably on the whole mix because there were only two channels, although he could have been using them for bass and kick ( a guess). Notes and Observations: I only saw one time he actually played a part on the keyboard. It was a rather weak melody. His fingers where shaking so much. Comparing to Banco de Gaia at the Trocadero, Mr. Banco was all computer based sequencing, two synced Amiga/Atari(?) always running, and ran stuff through a huge board. He was always on the board instead of on the sequencers. He'd just start a new sequence every few pieces and mix from the running sounds. He never touched a sound source. Banco had a more complex sound, but also about 5 times the gear in numbers, and 30 times in cost. I think Freaky had some dead spots where things were not working correctly. Banco didn't. Of course the style of music is a bit different. Frankly, I liked Freaky's approach better. Let's not get overwhelmed in overly produced, like the CD sound. Let's get those people dancing. I'd rather see 5 Freaky Chakra's than one Banco de Gaia, and considering the investment involved, that's what will happen. On a CD, I like Banco de Gaia's sound better, and the music, but live, Banco came off a bit stale. Freaky was a better live act, and I think that's largely due to his use of gear, and maybe the vibe. I barely remember seeing Orbital ( with UltraMarine and MeatBeatM) years ago. Their setup and approach to the gear was sort of inbetween Banco and Freaky. Although, I think they had much more hands-on-the-instruments than either. They also had more actual keyboards than either of these two, and everything was on big Ultimate keyboard stands instead of in racks. Anyway, I hope this was informative for someone. -Darrel darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 14:19:52 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA08099; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:19:52 -0800 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA08091; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:19:44 -0800 Received: from aoaioxxysz.organic.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aoaioxxysz.organic.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA00781 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:19:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199601162219.OAA00781@aoaioxxysz.organic.com> To: San Francisco Raves Subject: MaD rocked ass... Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:19:55 -0800 From: ozymandias G desiderata Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just wanted to let everyone know that MaD, as usual, was a fun, laid-back, techno-heavy groovefest at the Bahia. Jon and Joe both turned in tight sets, and Dave Cooper totally went insane (although I think people differed as to whether this was a good or bad thing). He is a _super_ nice guy, too, being very easy to talk to, totally down-to-earth and friendly. He can come back here any time he wants, 'cuz I say so. :) One of my favorite things about MaD is its social and friendly atmosphere. Even though the space was (comfortably) crowded last night, everybody was still chatty, open and relaxed. There was no spurious attitude to be found. Monday nights have become a social touchstone for me, and I enjoy the opportunity to sit around and talk to other raverfolk in a non-threatening atmosphere. I was especially excited to find out that Carl Craig is going to be playing at MaD February 5th. I almost hesitate to mention it because it's going to turn the place into a total zoo (or at least it will if there's any justice in the world). In any case, y'all should definitely plan to check that out -- Mr. Craig is a techno hero, having put out many classics over the past few years: Paperclip People's "Throw", 69's "Jam The Box" and "Rushed", BFC's "Chicken Soup", and many, many others. He's as precise as a surgeon and has enough soul to rival James Brown. Check it out. yrz, ozy ozymandias G desiderata ogd@organic.com Ravers Suck Our Sound (415)284-6888 http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/ ::AOAIOXXYSZ:: From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 14:41:01 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA10382; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:41:01 -0800 Received: from netcom22.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA10367; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:40:57 -0800 Received: by netcom22.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id OAA14036; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:40:26 -0800 From: darrele@netcom.com (Darrel Etter) Message-Id: <199601162240.OAA14036@netcom22.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Synthetic Review (fwd) To: sfraves@hyperreal.com (sfraves) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:40:23 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 820 Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I'm totally into this idea. I don't know if I can do it on a > monthly/regular basis, but I would definately like to participate with a > group that goes into an event with the intention of creating a vibe. It's a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Once I was used as an imported audience/fan. I was asked, along with some friends to jump on a bus that was going down to LA to a show for a band that was playing at a club in front of a bunch of record industry big stiffs. There was a complementary party in the hills afterwards. A weird scene, but if definitly did help the vibe and the band. My point is that the idea of "blitzing" a party to help out the vibe is a good idea, even though this example is a bit different. Would be fun too. -Darrel darrele@netcom.com From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 14:52:03 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA11514; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:52:03 -0800 Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA11440; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:51:51 -0800 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA23781; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:51:47 -0800 Received: (from kirstenc@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09188; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:45:33 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:45:32 -0800 (PST) From: KaySEE Subject: Re:Doing The Right Thing [was - Re: Don't flame(Gathering)] To: Michael Standish cc: sfraves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199601152100.NAA14964@infinity.c2.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, Michael Standish wrote: > quoth Starchild > > > Most parties search people at the door. This always bothers me a > >little bit, because it implies a lack of trust. It implies that I cannot > >be trusted not to bring weapons in which I would use to threaten the > >health or safety of others. I kind of feel like when I come dressed in > >happy, fun clothing, with a smile on my face, it should be obvious to the > >security that I don't need to be searched. Search those scowling guys in > >the bandanas over there, if you feel the need to search someone. > > Talk about a vibe killer for the people who do get searched. I sure > wouldn't want to be the one who had to explain why they were being searched > and not other people. What would I tell them? "Gee I'm sorry but I've just > made a snap judgment based solely on how you look and it seems you're not > wearing a rave approved, shit eating grin and that bandana is associated > with gang members and people of color you know" If you feel like you're not > trusted when everybody is being searched, think how you'd feel if you were > the only one getting searched. > > There's also more to look for than just weapons. There's markers, > spray paint, glass containers and nitrous tanks. Even the nicest raver can > break a glass bottle and thus risk cutting someone's foot. I've worked > parties where we didn't search people, and the space ended up so covered > with tags that we could never get permission to use the space again. I've > also worked F&F where we didn't search anybody and had no problems. It's a > tough call, but for a party the size of the Gathering I would definitely > search everyone. > > I have one complaint about the searching at the Gathering. If you were female, and you had one of the male guards search you, they didn't check for anything. I had a whole backpack of stuff for the evening, although nothing I think would have been confiscated, and the male guard didn't even look at it. However, my male friend following me in, got searched like crazy and got a couple things confiscated. I don't think this is very fair, and once again judgments are being made as to how a person looks. --kc From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Jan 16 14:55:18 1996 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id OAA11839; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:55:18 -0800 Received: from value.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA11803; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:55:03 -0800 From: blkadder@value.net Received: (from blkadder@localhost) by value.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18568; Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:05:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:05:06 -0800 (PST) To: Rick Riffle cc: Diane Tabellija , sfraves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Synthetic Review In-Reply-To: <199601162122.NAA21753@franc.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Rick Riffle wrote: > I'm totally into this idea. I don't know if I can do it on a > monthly/regular basis, but I would definately like to participate with a > group that goes into an event with the intention of creating a vibe. It's a > mi