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Subject: (oldschool) All trainspotters - check this out

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From: www.trainspotted.org :

"Our mission is to build the definitive archive of tracklistings for DJ =
sets old, new, live, studio-mixed - in short, any kind of DJ set that is =
not a commercial mix CD.=20

With your help, unknown tracks from obscure sets will be re-discovered, =
and that one song, the name of which you just could not remember, will =
finally be within your reach.=20

Register now and get spotting! "

They are still in beta version (some bugs left) and they have just =
started so you probably won't find any useful info but I suggest you all =
start adding tracklistings and in a few years this will be as complete =
and useful as Discogs.

Milosz
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hi gang rememeber a tune yrs ago that had the lyrics=20
'' Read my lips ''  sung in a m people kind of voice=20
it was on the radio The other day as ''Alex party read my lips ''
does anyone know what the original tune is called please=20

fucking quality tune back in the day=20

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Subject: RE: (oldschool) TUNE ID INFO

DSK - "Read My Lips"
It's the B Side to "What Would We Do"

Chris Shively
Music Director, KJHK
2051-A Dole Center
University of Kansas
1000 Sunnyside Avenue
Lawrence, KS 66045
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hi gang rememeber a tune yrs ago that had the lyrics 
'' Read my lips ''  sung in a m people kind of voice 
it was on the radio The other day as ''Alex party read my lips ''
does anyone know what the original tune is called please 

fucking quality tune back in the day 


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The worst part is....he's been doing this for years.
 
He'll screw one person or persons and go into hiding for a couple of years (working on the dl with a few friends)...then out of the blue when the scene changes promoters and everyone forgets what happened 5 years ago, will screw someone else that has never heard of him before.  He was always there for his own profit.
 
He had some good ideas (like the party called A Day in the Park - where they had a concert set up in a Six Flags amusement park) but, even those good ideas got messed up in the end.  He lied and told the park that he was having a fashion show...which wound up being a rave.  So he lies and cheats to get what he wants...and will step on anyone in the way. 
 
So if he tries to make some moves overseas...you have the heads up...don't let him screw you over too.
 
Kelly.

"Harcombe, James Geoffrey" <James.Harcombe@health.wa.gov.au> wrote:
Jesus what a right kharnt that Scotty bloke sounds like..

Sounds like that DB chap had nothing but the best intentions of
recreating a classic night and atmosphere and got totally burned for it.

We had a few types like him in Perth's earlier scene, thankfully for the
most part, they have either fled our shores or they're dead.


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Subject: (oldschool) Tunes for sale

Hi folks,

Got a few tunes up for sale on a new webshop I've just started.  Check it
out at:

http://repetitivebeats.gemm.com

Lots of good stuff in there, plus some obscurities going cheap.  Feel free
to forward to anyone you think might be interested... more stuff will be
added each week, so keep checking back.  :D

A few tunes that I've currently got up for sale:
- Aurora - Sunshine EP [Adrenalin]
- Bizzy B, Dexterous D & TDK - Come On People / Wicked Man [Brain]
- DJ Crystl - Deep Jungle [Deep Jungle]
- DJ Ileagle - Crazy / Testify [Dee Jay]
- DJ Solo - Darkage (orig & remixes) [Production House]
- DJ Trace - Coffee [Lucky Spin]
- DJ Taktix feat. Top Buzz - The Way (remix) [Back 2 Basics]
- Droppin Science - Vol. 1 (orig & remixes) [Droppin Science]
- EQ - The Graphic EP (orig & remixes) [Formation]
- Intense - The Drowzee EP [ULR]
- Jack N Phil - I Like It (remixes) [Basement]
- Junk - Don't Stop / Rush Higher [Junk]
- Mikey James - Nice 'N' Deep / Mello [Suburban Base]
- Mixrace Productions - A Different Drum [Mobhanded]
- NRG - Feel The Fury EP (orig & remixes) [Chill]
- Omni Trio - Vol. 2 & Vol. 3 [Moving Shadow]
- Peshay, J Majik, Rufige Cru & Nu Era - World Of Music EP [Infrared]
- Psychotropic - Hypnosis (SL2 remix) [O2]
- The Rood Project - Thunder [Whitehouse]
- Skool Of Hard Knocks - Kan U Feel It / Kandyman [Grand Larceny]
- Slipmatt - Breaking Free / Hear Me [Awesome]
- Static Substance - Ghetto People / Follow My Beat [Impact]
- Urban Shakedown - Some Justice rmxs / Summer Break [Urban Shakedown]
- Wishdokta - Subliminal Satisfaction / River Of Dreams [2001]

Again, that address is:
http://repetitivebeats.gemm.com

Thanks,
- Chris Purity

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Where is everyone?

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Listening to the new Morrissey track by the sound of things.

God damn he annoys me!

Mornin' tho ;)

Dave

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Where is everyone?

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Can you email me back mate!

Cheeharz

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Subject: RE: (oldschool) GGM MIXES - Permanently offline

Smurfaroo, you still got these for sale?

Cheers
Dave

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Subject: (oldschool) GGM MIXES - Permanently offline


All MP3 mixes are now permanently offline due to the server blowing up.

Vie put together a CD full of MP3 mixes, for a 5'er ..

KISS YOUR FUCKEN EARS GOODBYE - VOLUME 1
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Smurf - Oldskool Electro Hip Hop (Studio Mix) 
Smurf - 1988 Acid House (Studio Mix) 
Smurf - Bass Generator Records Showcase. The Fubar, Stirling, Scotland -
10/12/1994
Smurf - Resistance. The Venue, Edinburgh, Scotland - 07/09/2001 (last
ever newstyle gabber set) 
Smurf - Filth. The Playrooms, Newcastle, England - 19/12/2002
Smurf - North. Lakota, Bristol - 23/02/2002
Smurf - Resistance. The Big Joint, Glasgow, Scotland - 22/03/2002
Smurf - Together As One. Los Angeles Sports Arena, Los Angeles, USA -
31/12/2002
Smurf - Faster Than Smurfs Hand During a Steps Video (Studio Mix)
Smurf - Pop Chix Mix Volume 1 (studio mix)
Smurf - French Radio Station, Montpellier, France - 07/06/2003 


KISS YOUR FUCKEN EARS GOODBYE - VOLUME 2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Smurf - 1990s Oldskool Rave & Techno Volume 1 (Studio Mix)
Smurf - GGM v Oblivion. Club Soho, Leicester, England - 05/12/2003
Smurf - Frequency. The Sword Hotel, Stirling, Scotland - 31/12/2003
Smurf - North. Lakota, Bristol, England - 07/02/2004
Smurf - P.O.R.N. The Wall, Weelde, Belgium - 13/02/2004

Vol2 will be constantly added to throughout the year

NOTE: THIS ARE CD-R's and ONLT PLAY ON PC'S, DVD's & CD-R COMPATIBLE
HI-FI's.

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Ultra ultra promo flyer type heads up for www.randomattack.co.uk

Just another one of those little projects I do from time to time..

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Subject: Re: (oldschool) Test...

Please tell me he's not still making "music"?

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> Listening to the new Morrissey track by the sound of things.
> 
> God damn he annoys me!
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> Mornin' tho ;)
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> Dave
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Subject: RE: (oldschool) Test...

You haven't heard "irish blood english heart" or whatever it's called?

Tis a tune!



     NOT.



Dave

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Please tell me he's not still making "music"?

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> Listening to the new Morrissey track by the sound of things.
> 
> God damn he annoys me!
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> Mornin' tho ;)
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> Dave
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> You haven't heard "irish blood english heart" or whatever it's called?

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Just a quick note that I've updated my flyer archive at
http://www.uphoriak.com/flyers/

You can now automatically upload flyers from your PC direct to the site.

If you've got any decent flyers, please upload them!!! I've got bloody loads
to do now.. ;-)

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Subject: RE: (oldschool) GGM MIXES - Permanently offline

Mixes are back online !!!

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> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> Smurfaroo, you still got these for sale?
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> Cheers
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Smurfy Boy [mailto:Smurf@GeordieGabbaMafia.org]
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> To: 'Oldksool List'; List Rez; resistance-scotland@yahoogroups.com;
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> Subject: (oldschool) GGM MIXES - Permanently offline
> 
> 
> All MP3 mixes are now permanently offline due to the server 
> blowing up.
> 
> Vie put together a CD full of MP3 mixes, for a 5'er ..
> 
> KISS YOUR FUCKEN EARS GOODBYE - VOLUME 1 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Smurf - Oldskool Electro Hip Hop (Studio Mix) 
> Smurf - 1988 Acid House (Studio Mix) 
> Smurf - Bass Generator Records Showcase. The Fubar, Stirling, 
> Scotland - 10/12/1994 Smurf - Resistance. The Venue, 
> Edinburgh, Scotland - 07/09/2001 (last ever newstyle gabber set) 
> Smurf - Filth. The Playrooms, Newcastle, England - 19/12/2002 
> Smurf - North. Lakota, Bristol - 23/02/2002 Smurf - 
> Resistance. The Big Joint, Glasgow, Scotland - 22/03/2002 
> Smurf - Together As One. Los Angeles Sports Arena, Los 
> Angeles, USA - 31/12/2002 Smurf - Faster Than Smurfs Hand 
> During a Steps Video (Studio Mix) Smurf - Pop Chix Mix Volume 
> 1 (studio mix) Smurf - French Radio Station, Montpellier, 
> France - 07/06/2003 
> 
> 
> KISS YOUR FUCKEN EARS GOODBYE - VOLUME 2 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Smurf - 1990s Oldskool Rave & Techno Volume 1 (Studio Mix) 
> Smurf - GGM v Oblivion. Club Soho, Leicester, England - 
> 05/12/2003 Smurf - Frequency. The Sword Hotel, Stirling, 
> Scotland - 31/12/2003 Smurf - North. Lakota, Bristol, England 
> - 07/02/2004 Smurf - P.O.R.N. The Wall, Weelde, Belgium - 13/02/2004
> 
> Vol2 will be constantly added to throughout the year
> 
> NOTE: THIS ARE CD-R's and ONLT PLAY ON PC'S, DVD's & CD-R 
> COMPATIBLE HI-FI's.
> 
> ------
> SMURF (Newcastle, UK)
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Subject: (oldschool) In The Post Today

Timelapse - Sued For A Sample
Sleeve and vinyl both in mint condition!!
Cost $38 AUD.
It only took me 12 years to get my hands on a copy!! LOL!!
Another one crossed of my Wants list!! Yeah!

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Fucking Tune!!!
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> Timelapse - Sued For A Sample
> Sleeve and vinyl both in mint condition!!
> Cost $38 AUD.
> It only took me 12 years to get my hands on a copy!! LOL!!
> Another one crossed of my Wants list!! Yeah!
> 
> :)))))
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Subject: (oldschool) Rare stuff on ebay. Go have a look. 8)

Hi guys
looking forward to caining it again at Disxtruxion oop north on Saturday
In the mean time Ive put some absolute chestnuts on ebay for your
perusal
THE SOUND CLIPS ARE HERE : http://www.clarkee.me.uk/ebay_soundclips.htm

Rainbow in the sky - Paul Elstak
Jolly Roger 23 - Dream Demon
Screwdriver 7 
Screwdriver 10 
Evolution Gold 15
F.B.I - File it under X
Marc Smith - Notorious Vinyl 02
Jolly Roger records Lite 01 
Jolly Roger records 10
M-Zone - The Joke (TYT

Deathchant 05 
Dark LSD EP Somatic Responses
Mobile Squat Base - Aventures Cybernitiques, Aventures Urbaines (Explore
Toi) 

INFRASONIC LP - PSYCOUSTIC DILLUSION new 13.05.04 
Edge Remix
88.3 feat Lisa May - Wishing On A Star (Urban Gorilla) 
T Power - Turquoise / Mutant Jazz (SOUR) new 13.05.04
Tek 9 - The Return Of Tek 9 (Remixes) (Reinforced Records)  
Various - World Of Drum & Bass LP Sampler (Formation Records)  
DJ Trax - Time Will Tell EP (Moving Shadow)  
Metalheads - Inner City Life Rmx's (FFRR)  
J.Pac - Nutter Aphrodite/Urban Shakedown  

Let me know if you want 'off' this mailout and ill dump you or if you
know someone else that may me interested then feel free to forward it
on! Have fun this weekend and stay safe.
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hahah this works out at £13.30 a tune!!  haha twat.

And why does he show a picture of about 400 tunes??  dick

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it werX

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just about...

been dead quiet in 'ere this week!


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Don't understand... too cheap to expensive what??

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faaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr too expensive. 

1) Its a crap tune
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 Remember the hip hop house music by Mr. Lee, etc? I would like to track
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Stevyn,

Try :

Twin Hype - For Those Who Like To Groove - Ten(TENX285)
Chubb Rock - Ya Bad Chubbs - Champion (CHAMP12-272)
Steve V - Dirty Cash - Phonogram (MERX311)
Unique 3 - The Theme - BCM (BCM12391)
Loose Bruce - Feelin' Moody - Bassment (BM057) or Tam Tam (TT025)
Ice Cream Tee - Let's Work - Strong City/Uni (UNI 8020)
Deskee - Let There Be House - RCA (9188-1-RD)

Fast Eddie was behind some of the earliest hip-house. You might want to 
check out some of his tunes as well...

Leo

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Subject: Re: (oldschool) hip hop house

almost anything on DJ international...
check out "get on up" by fast eddie & sundance
Tyree's LP "Nation of Hip House"
and of course "I'll House You" by the Jungle Brothers (my personal fave
track).
H.O.U.S.E. by Adonis & MC Kodak is a SICK acid hip house stormer

As far as UK stuff goes, Republic put out some ok hip house (M-D-Emm comes
to mind), but the Chicago stuff was the best by far.



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> Stevyn,
>
> Try :
>
> Twin Hype - For Those Who Like To Groove - Ten(TENX285)
> Chubb Rock - Ya Bad Chubbs - Champion (CHAMP12-272)
> Steve V - Dirty Cash - Phonogram (MERX311)
> Unique 3 - The Theme - BCM (BCM12391)
> Loose Bruce - Feelin' Moody - Bassment (BM057) or Tam Tam (TT025)
> Ice Cream Tee - Let's Work - Strong City/Uni (UNI 8020)
> Deskee - Let There Be House - RCA (9188-1-RD)
>
> Fast Eddie was behind some of the earliest hip-house. You might want to
> check out some of his tunes as well...
>
> Leo
>
> At 13:32 14/05/04 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >  Remember the hip hop house music by Mr. Lee, etc? I would like to track
> >down other artists who have made such
>
>
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Subject: RE: (oldschool) hip hop house

:drooool:

Chicago House.

That's where I grew up in the scene... Mmm *reminiscing*

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almost anything on DJ international...
check out "get on up" by fast eddie & sundance
Tyree's LP "Nation of Hip House"
and of course "I'll House You" by the Jungle Brothers (my personal fave
track).
H.O.U.S.E. by Adonis & MC Kodak is a SICK acid hip house stormer

As far as UK stuff goes, Republic put out some ok hip house (M-D-Emm =
comes
to mind), but the Chicago stuff was the best by far.



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> Stevyn,
>
> Try :
>
> Twin Hype - For Those Who Like To Groove - Ten(TENX285)
> Chubb Rock - Ya Bad Chubbs - Champion (CHAMP12-272)
> Steve V - Dirty Cash - Phonogram (MERX311)
> Unique 3 - The Theme - BCM (BCM12391)
> Loose Bruce - Feelin' Moody - Bassment (BM057) or Tam Tam (TT025)
> Ice Cream Tee - Let's Work - Strong City/Uni (UNI 8020)
> Deskee - Let There Be House - RCA (9188-1-RD)
>
> Fast Eddie was behind some of the earliest hip-house. You might want =
to
> check out some of his tunes as well...
>
> Leo
>
> At 13:32 14/05/04 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >  Remember the hip hop house music by Mr. Lee, etc? I would like to =
track
> >down other artists who have made such
>
>
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Subject: (oldschool) time for a tracklist hunt!! FUN!

I can't get enough of those greg j (kid bippy) oldschool mixes.. some crazy
tracks in there i've never heard before.. so i call for an oldschool
tracklist hunt! haha.. haven't seen this done on the list in years.. i'll
get it started.. and this was done on 4 decks, so it'll be an interesting
challenge...help me if i skip through any tracks.

DJ Greg J - Hardcore Lesson
http://www.jaydenjohnson.com/audio/DJGregJ_HardcoreLesson.mp3

1. (0:00) -
2. (2:15) -
3. (3:30) -
4. (4:40) - (a capella mixed in)
5. (5:45) - DJ's Unite - Vol. 1 - Liquid Wax (HAN 004)
6. (7:07) -
7. (8:40) -
8. (9:45) -
9. (10:51) -
10. (11:32) - (a capella mixed in)
11. (12:31) -
12. (13:37) - N.R.G. - He Never Lost his Hardcore - Chill (TUV021)
13. (15:30) -
14. (17:37) -
15. (19:50) - (bombscare remix)
16. (21:25) - (another bombscare remix)
17. (22:17) -
18. (23:10) - MC Jay J & Devious D  - Drives Ya Crazy - Awesome Records
(SL005)
19. (24:25) -
20. (25:43) -
21. (27:03) - ("come back from the grave")
22. (29:05) -
23. (30:56) -
24. (32:20) -
25. (34:15) -
26. (35:22) - Urban Hype - Trip to Trumpton - Faze-2 (12 FAZE 05)
27. (36:42) -
28. (37:43) - Phenomania - Caramelle - ETC (ETC 128)
29. (38:58) - ("body rock yall")
30. (40:43) -
31. (41:36) -
32. (42:42) - Krome & Time - This Sound Is For The Underground - Suburban
Base (SUBBASE 11)
33. (45:00) - ("listen to the hi hat kicks never sample.. li li li listen to
the hi hat.. li li li li li li li listen to the hi hat.")
34. (47:05) - ("cus i get hype")
35. (48:37) - ("this is designed to trip the ear")
36. (50:50) - ("bass how low can you go" distorted kick)
37. (53:30) -
38. (55:31) - (yolk - sick squid ep?)
39. (57:10) -
40. (58:42) -
41. (61:40) -
42. (62:22) -
43. (64:25) -
44. (66:48) - (phuture assasins?)
45. (68:00) - Acen - Close Your Eyes - Production House (PNT 34)
46. (69:25) -
47. (69:30) - 45 King - 9 is the number (a capella mixed in)
48. (70:30) -
49. (71:45) - ("music for the people")
50. (73:00) -
51. (73:58) - ("will we reach the sky")
52. (75:07) - Zero B - Lock Up - Great Asset (GAD 06)
53. (76:40) -
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Wicked - as no one seems to post much maybe I can get some of these
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D/ling....



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#52 couldn't be the original mix of lock up.. the orig is like 120 bpm or
something.. hmm.. any corrections feel free to add them.

> 1. (0:00) -
> 2. (2:15) -
> 3. (3:30) -
> 4. (4:40) - (a capella mixed in)
> 5. (5:45) - DJ's Unite - Vol. 1 - Liquid Wax (HAN 004)
> 6. (7:07) -
> 7. (8:40) -
> 8. (9:45) -
> 9. (10:51) -
> 10. (11:32) - (a capella mixed in)
> 11. (12:31) -
> 12. (13:37) - N.R.G. - He Never Lost his Hardcore - Chill (TUV021)
> 13. (15:30) -
> 14. (17:37) -
> 15. (19:50) - (bombscare remix)
> 16. (21:25) - (another bombscare remix)
> 17. (22:17) -
> 18. (23:10) - MC Jay J & Devious D  - Drives Ya Crazy - Awesome Records
> (SL005)
> 19. (24:25) -
> 20. (25:43) -
> 21. (27:03) - ("come back from the grave")
> 22. (29:05) -
> 23. (30:56) -
> 24. (32:20) -
> 25. (34:15) -
> 26. (35:22) - Urban Hype - Trip to Trumpton - Faze-2 (12 FAZE 05)
> 27. (36:42) -
> 28. (37:43) - Phenomania - Caramelle - ETC (ETC 128)
> 29. (38:58) - ("body rock yall")
> 30. (40:43) -
> 31. (41:36) -
> 32. (42:42) - Krome & Time - This Sound Is For The Underground - Suburban
> Base (SUBBASE 11)
> 33. (45:00) - ("listen to the hi hat kicks never sample.. li li li listen
to
> the hi hat.. li li li li li li li listen to the hi hat.")
> 34. (47:05) - ("cus i get hype")
> 35. (48:37) - ("this is designed to trip the ear")
> 36. (50:50) - ("bass how low can you go" distorted kick)
> 37. (53:30) -
> 38. (55:31) - (yolk - sick squid ep?)
> 39. (57:10) -
> 40. (58:42) -
> 41. (61:40) -
> 42. (62:22) -
> 43. (64:25) -
> 44. (66:48) - (phuture assasins?)
> 45. (68:00) - Acen - Close Your Eyes - Production House (PNT 34)
> 46. (69:25) -
> 47. (69:30) - 45 King - 9 is the number (a capella mixed in)
> 48. (70:30) -
> 49. (71:45) - ("music for the people")
> 50. (73:00) -
> 51. (73:58) - ("will we reach the sky")
> 52. (75:07) - Zero B - Lock Up (which mix??)
> 53. (76:40) -
> 54. (78:35) -



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Subject: Re: (oldschool) time for a tracklist hunt!! FUN!

I cannot listen to the tape right now but as far as i remember is
21) definately G.B.H. - Back from the Grave

15) & 16) is Moving Shadow #14R mixed into #14 (I think?!)

and I guess
52) is Release - Spirit of Space EP

Am Sonntag, 16. Mai 2004 21:49 schrieb Adam Raitanen:
> #52 couldn't be the original mix of lock up.. the orig is like 120 bpm or
> something.. hmm.. any corrections feel free to add them.
>
> > 1. (0:00) -
> > 2. (2:15) -
> > 3. (3:30) -
> > 4. (4:40) - (a capella mixed in)
> > 5. (5:45) - DJ's Unite - Vol. 1 - Liquid Wax (HAN 004)
> > 6. (7:07) -
> > 7. (8:40) -
> > 8. (9:45) -
> > 9. (10:51) -
> > 10. (11:32) - (a capella mixed in)
> > 11. (12:31) -
> > 12. (13:37) - N.R.G. - He Never Lost his Hardcore - Chill (TUV021)
> > 13. (15:30) -
> > 14. (17:37) -
> > 15. (19:50) - (bombscare remix)
> > 16. (21:25) - (another bombscare remix)
> > 17. (22:17) -
> > 18. (23:10) - MC Jay J & Devious D  - Drives Ya Crazy - Awesome Records
> > (SL005)
> > 19. (24:25) -
> > 20. (25:43) -
> > 21. (27:03) - ("come back from the grave")
> > 22. (29:05) -
> > 23. (30:56) -
> > 24. (32:20) -
> > 25. (34:15) -
> > 26. (35:22) - Urban Hype - Trip to Trumpton - Faze-2 (12 FAZE 05)
> > 27. (36:42) -
> > 28. (37:43) - Phenomania - Caramelle - ETC (ETC 128)
> > 29. (38:58) - ("body rock yall")
> > 30. (40:43) -
> > 31. (41:36) -
> > 32. (42:42) - Krome & Time - This Sound Is For The Underground - Suburban
> > Base (SUBBASE 11)
> > 33. (45:00) - ("listen to the hi hat kicks never sample.. li li li listen
>
> to
>
> > the hi hat.. li li li li li li li listen to the hi hat.")
> > 34. (47:05) - ("cus i get hype")
> > 35. (48:37) - ("this is designed to trip the ear")
> > 36. (50:50) - ("bass how low can you go" distorted kick)
> > 37. (53:30) -
> > 38. (55:31) - (yolk - sick squid ep?)
> > 39. (57:10) -
> > 40. (58:42) -
> > 41. (61:40) -
> > 42. (62:22) -
> > 43. (64:25) -
> > 44. (66:48) - (phuture assasins?)
> > 45. (68:00) - Acen - Close Your Eyes - Production House (PNT 34)
> > 46. (69:25) -
> > 47. (69:30) - 45 King - 9 is the number (a capella mixed in)
> > 48. (70:30) -
> > 49. (71:45) - ("music for the people")
> > 50. (73:00) -
> > 51. (73:58) - ("will we reach the sky")
> > 52. (75:07) - Zero B - Lock Up (which mix??)
> > 53. (76:40) -
> > 54. (78:35) -
>
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Subject: Re: (oldschool) time for a tracklist hunt!! FUN!

> 1. (0:00) - Soundcorp - Dreamfinder
> 3. (3:30) - Bad Influence - Never Too Much (tuuuune!)
> 4. (4:40) - (a capella mixed in) Left Locator - Jimi Hendrix was Deaf (I
think)

> 11. (12:31) - is it something by Seducation????

> 13. (15:30) - Protein - Hardcore Innovator (not sure which mixxxxx,
probably 92 versionb)


> 17. (22:17) - Sonz of a Loop da Loop Era - let your mind be free

> 23. (30:56) - Naz AKA Naz - Organised Crime (dj eye spy remix?)

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33. (45:00) - ("listen to the hi hat kicks never sample.. li li li listen to
the hi hat.. li li li li li li li listen to the hi hat.")

4 mega-Drop This on Whitehouse
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> I can't get enough of those greg j (kid bippy) oldschool mixes.. some
crazy
> tracks in there i've never heard before.. so i call for an oldschool
> tracklist hunt! haha.. haven't seen this done on the list in years.. i'll
> get it started.. and this was done on 4 decks, so it'll be an interesting
> challenge...help me if i skip through any tracks.
>
> DJ Greg J - Hardcore Lesson
> http://www.jaydenjohnson.com/audio/DJGregJ_HardcoreLesson.mp3
>
> 1. (0:00) -
> 2. (2:15) -
> 3. (3:30) -
> 4. (4:40) - (a capella mixed in)
> 5. (5:45) - DJ's Unite - Vol. 1 - Liquid Wax (HAN 004)
> 6. (7:07) -
> 7. (8:40) -
> 8. (9:45) -
> 9. (10:51) -
> 10. (11:32) - (a capella mixed in)
> 11. (12:31) -
> 12. (13:37) - N.R.G. - He Never Lost his Hardcore - Chill (TUV021)
> 13. (15:30) -
> 14. (17:37) -
> 15. (19:50) - (bombscare remix)
> 16. (21:25) - (another bombscare remix)
> 17. (22:17) -
> 18. (23:10) - MC Jay J & Devious D  - Drives Ya Crazy - Awesome Records
> (SL005)
> 19. (24:25) -
> 20. (25:43) -
> 21. (27:03) - ("come back from the grave")
> 22. (29:05) -
> 23. (30:56) -
> 24. (32:20) -
> 25. (34:15) -
> 26. (35:22) - Urban Hype - Trip to Trumpton - Faze-2 (12 FAZE 05)
> 27. (36:42) -
> 28. (37:43) - Phenomania - Caramelle - ETC (ETC 128)
> 29. (38:58) - ("body rock yall")
> 30. (40:43) -
> 31. (41:36) -
> 32. (42:42) - Krome & Time - This Sound Is For The Underground - Suburban
> Base (SUBBASE 11)
> 33. (45:00) - ("listen to the hi hat kicks never sample.. li li li listen
to
> the hi hat.. li li li li li li li listen to the hi hat.")
> 34. (47:05) - ("cus i get hype")
> 35. (48:37) - ("this is designed to trip the ear")
> 36. (50:50) - ("bass how low can you go" distorted kick)
> 37. (53:30) -
> 38. (55:31) - (yolk - sick squid ep?)
> 39. (57:10) -
> 40. (58:42) -
> 41. (61:40) -
> 42. (62:22) -
> 43. (64:25) -
> 44. (66:48) - (phuture assasins?)
> 45. (68:00) - Acen - Close Your Eyes - Production House (PNT 34)
> 46. (69:25) -
> 47. (69:30) - 45 King - 9 is the number (a capella mixed in)
> 48. (70:30) -
> 49. (71:45) - ("music for the people")
> 50. (73:00) -
> 51. (73:58) - ("will we reach the sky")
> 52. (75:07) - Zero B - Lock Up - Great Asset (GAD 06)
> 53. (76:40) -
> 54. (78:35) -
>
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Subject: Re: (oldschool) time for a tracklist hunt!! FUN!

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> 24. (32:20) - M D Emm - Get Down ("in 1994" I thnk)
> 31. (41:36) - First Project - Right Before remix (I think????)
> 35. (48:37) - ("this is designed to trip the ear") Hyper on Exprience -
Timetretch
> 36. (50:50) - ("bass how low can you go" distorted kick) Hyper on
Experience - Thunder Grip
> 38. (55:31) - (yolk - sick squid ep?) yeah, this is definately Yolk - Sick
Squid
> 39. (57:10) - Is this that Technosaurus EP? Purity will know I'm sure
> 40. (58:42) - Tango - Can't Stop the Rush???
> 41. (61:40) - is this Essence of Aura, distortion or something???
> 42. (62:22) - Sonz of a Leep De Loop Era - Something of the Flowers in my
Garden EP, Calmdownizm is it?
> 44. (66:48) - (phuture assasins?) yeah, Phuture Sound 2 Bad Mice remix
> 53. (76:40) - Hyper on Experience - Ascention (to the 9th level)
> 54. (78:35) - same tune innit!

Wicked, I can handle these easy ID sessions, not too hot with anything
harder than sub base and moving shadow tho!!! ;)



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Subject: Re: (oldschool) time for a tracklist hunt!! FUN!

Managed to get a few more of these.  Thats some pretty fucking good mixing
and turntablism!!


> 2. (2:15) - Brainstorm Crew - Define The Beat (The Plastic EP) - Formation

> 11. (12:31) - Force Mass Motion - Panic - Rabbit City

> 19. (24:25) - DJ Seduction - Come On

> 42. (62:22) - (is definitely) Sonz of a Loop da Loop Era - Calmdownizm -
Suburban Base

> 43. (64:25) - (about 30 secs of) Orca - Dances With Dolphins EP No.2 -
Lucky Spin

theres another track from about 64.50 to 66.48, no idea what it is though

 > 46. (69:25) - DJ Distroi - Flyte EP - White
(this sounds like it has a bit of the synths from Prodigy - Your Love mixed
over it as well as an acapella)

>> 49. (71:45) - Yolk - BishBosh


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I've posted this one before but I thought I'd give it another shot...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/t.cant/stuff/93piano2.mp3

And here are some unreleased (probably) Bukem-style tunes from 97, if =
you know what they are lemme know!

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/t.cant/stuff/bukem_nov_97_Unknown_1.mp3

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/t.cant/stuff/bukem_nov_97_Unknown_2.mp3

ta ta!

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on 15/5/04 3:32 AM, stevyn at stevyn@ironfeather.com wrote:

> 
> Remember the hip hop house music by Mr. Lee, etc? I would like to track
> down other artists who have made such
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Stevyn

No doubt in the UK you'll be able to pick up shed loads of old comps with
Hip House on them. I've been picking up a few myself here in Aus.

As well as the list supplied by others here, you may even want to check out
some of the earlier Deep Heat comps on Telstar. Crappy 10 songs to a side
pressings but some absolute gems on there all the same.

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Its really good to see some real old skool lovers on this list.

Keep up the good work chaps. 

FAST EDDIE rocks!

Dj Clarkee
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on 15/5/04 3:32 AM, stevyn at stevyn@ironfeather.com wrote:

> 
> Remember the hip hop house music by Mr. Lee, etc? I would like to 
> track down other artists who have made such
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Stevyn

No doubt in the UK you'll be able to pick up shed loads of old comps
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As well as the list supplied by others here, you may even want to check
out some of the earlier Deep Heat comps on Telstar. Crappy 10 songs to a
side pressings but some absolute gems on there all the same.

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> 11. (12:31) - Actually, I think this might be Force MAss Motion - Panic

> 14. (17:37) - I think this is the flip the Runtings - Fire Burning but I
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Subject: RE: (oldschool) time for a tracklist hunt!! FUN!

11. (12:31) - rabbit city 7 - panic
33. (45:00) - whitehouse recs - WYHS007 - 4-Mega - drop this (mash up)
34. (47:05) - white label - x phsyc ting
40. (58:42) - danse city - DC1203 - menace makes 3 - pure hysteria 
41. (61:40) - ?? - EOA1 - Essence of Aura - "Destiny EP" 
49. (71:45) - Ruffbeat - OHM001 - Yolk - "Sunny Side Up Remix EP" -
Music 4 Da People 

Theres a few for ya ;)


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To: oldschool@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (oldschool) time for a tracklist hunt!! FUN!


#52 couldn't be the original mix of lock up.. the orig is like 120 bpm
or something.. hmm.. any corrections feel free to add them.

> 1. (0:00) -
> 2. (2:15) -
> 3. (3:30) -
> 4. (4:40) - (a capella mixed in)
> 5. (5:45) - DJ's Unite - Vol. 1 - Liquid Wax (HAN 004)
> 6. (7:07) -
> 7. (8:40) -
> 8. (9:45) -
> 9. (10:51) -
> 10. (11:32) - (a capella mixed in)
> 11. (12:31) -
> 12. (13:37) - N.R.G. - He Never Lost his Hardcore - Chill (TUV021) 13.

> (15:30) - 14. (17:37) -
> 15. (19:50) - (bombscare remix)
> 16. (21:25) - (another bombscare remix)
> 17. (22:17) -
> 18. (23:10) - MC Jay J & Devious D  - Drives Ya Crazy - Awesome
Records
> (SL005)
> 19. (24:25) -
> 20. (25:43) -
> 21. (27:03) - ("come back from the grave")
> 22. (29:05) -
> 23. (30:56) -
> 24. (32:20) -
> 25. (34:15) -
> 26. (35:22) - Urban Hype - Trip to Trumpton - Faze-2 (12 FAZE 05)
> 27. (36:42) -
> 28. (37:43) - Phenomania - Caramelle - ETC (ETC 128)
> 29. (38:58) - ("body rock yall")
> 30. (40:43) -
> 31. (41:36) -
> 32. (42:42) - Krome & Time - This Sound Is For The Underground -
Suburban
> Base (SUBBASE 11)
> 33. (45:00) - ("listen to the hi hat kicks never sample.. li li li
listen
to
> the hi hat.. li li li li li li li listen to the hi hat.")
> 34. (47:05) - ("cus i get hype")
> 35. (48:37) - ("this is designed to trip the ear")
> 36. (50:50) - ("bass how low can you go" distorted kick)
> 37. (53:30) -
> 38. (55:31) - (yolk - sick squid ep?)
> 39. (57:10) -
> 40. (58:42) -
> 41. (61:40) -
> 42. (62:22) -
> 43. (64:25) -
> 44. (66:48) - (phuture assasins?)
> 45. (68:00) - Acen - Close Your Eyes - Production House (PNT 34) 46. 
> (69:25) - 47. (69:30) - 45 King - 9 is the number (a capella mixed in)
> 48. (70:30) -
> 49. (71:45) - ("music for the people")
> 50. (73:00) -
> 51. (73:58) - ("will we reach the sky")
> 52. (75:07) - Zero B - Lock Up (which mix??)
> 53. (76:40) -
> 54. (78:35) -



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Subject: RE: (oldschool) time for a tracklist hunt!! FUN!

Hmm, that only took 24 hours to come through!

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11. (12:31) - rabbit city 7 - panic
33. (45:00) - whitehouse recs - WYHS007 - 4-Mega - drop this (mash up)
34. (47:05) - white label - x phsyc ting 40. (58:42) - danse city -
DC1203 - menace makes 3 - pure hysteria 
41. (61:40) - ?? - EOA1 - Essence of Aura - "Destiny EP" 
49. (71:45) - Ruffbeat - OHM001 - Yolk - "Sunny Side Up Remix EP" -
Music 4 Da People 

Theres a few for ya ;)


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#52 couldn't be the original mix of lock up.. the orig is like 120 bpm
or something.. hmm.. any corrections feel free to add them.

> 1. (0:00) -
> 2. (2:15) -
> 3. (3:30) -
> 4. (4:40) - (a capella mixed in)
> 5. (5:45) - DJ's Unite - Vol. 1 - Liquid Wax (HAN 004)
> 6. (7:07) -
> 7. (8:40) -
> 8. (9:45) -
> 9. (10:51) -
> 10. (11:32) - (a capella mixed in)
> 11. (12:31) -
> 12. (13:37) - N.R.G. - He Never Lost his Hardcore - Chill (TUV021) 13.

> (15:30) - 14. (17:37) -
> 15. (19:50) - (bombscare remix)
> 16. (21:25) - (another bombscare remix)
> 17. (22:17) -
> 18. (23:10) - MC Jay J & Devious D  - Drives Ya Crazy - Awesome
Records
> (SL005)
> 19. (24:25) -
> 20. (25:43) -
> 21. (27:03) - ("come back from the grave")
> 22. (29:05) -
> 23. (30:56) -
> 24. (32:20) -
> 25. (34:15) -
> 26. (35:22) - Urban Hype - Trip to Trumpton - Faze-2 (12 FAZE 05) 27. 
> (36:42) - 28. (37:43) - Phenomania - Caramelle - ETC (ETC 128)
> 29. (38:58) - ("body rock yall")
> 30. (40:43) -
> 31. (41:36) -
> 32. (42:42) - Krome & Time - This Sound Is For The Underground -
Suburban
> Base (SUBBASE 11)
> 33. (45:00) - ("listen to the hi hat kicks never sample.. li li li
listen
to
> the hi hat.. li li li li li li li listen to the hi hat.")
> 34. (47:05) - ("cus i get hype")
> 35. (48:37) - ("this is designed to trip the ear")
> 36. (50:50) - ("bass how low can you go" distorted kick)
> 37. (53:30) -
> 38. (55:31) - (yolk - sick squid ep?)
> 39. (57:10) -
> 40. (58:42) -
> 41. (61:40) -
> 42. (62:22) -
> 43. (64:25) -
> 44. (66:48) - (phuture assasins?)
> 45. (68:00) - Acen - Close Your Eyes - Production House (PNT 34) 46.
> (69:25) - 47. (69:30) - 45 King - 9 is the number (a capella mixed in)
> 48. (70:30) -
> 49. (71:45) - ("music for the people")
> 50. (73:00) -
> 51. (73:58) - ("will we reach the sky")
> 52. (75:07) - Zero B - Lock Up (which mix??)
> 53. (76:40) -
> 54. (78:35) -



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Whats the story with the list atm? Has it just been quiet or have I not been
getting mails? The reason I ask is because I got this in my mailbox this
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Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
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It has been v. quiet...

The last small flurry the other day was sorting out a tracklist... if you've
got those then I don't think you've missed much.

Cheers,
Kev.

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> Whats the story with the list atm? Has it just been quiet or have I not
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>
> Colin Dee.
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Subject: (oldschool) Raindance Rollcall


its about theat time again

moi :)
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Yus! Will be better than gammon!!


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yep :)


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Subject: (oldschool) (OT) UK ID cards - time to start getting angry

Hi folks,

Sorry to go off on one with the way OT post - only relevant to the UK crew
too, I'm afraid.  Am quite fired up about this at the moment though.

I went to a public meeting about the UK's ID card proposals
yesterday (the draft bill was released in April), and feel
duty-bound to urge you all to get angry and start telling people
why they don't want one and it's really a very bad idea.

There are many reasons why it is a very bad idea, some practical,
some social and others ideological. For those of you with no time
to read me ranting on here's the quickest and most straightforward
reason to oppose ID cards: they will cost at least £3.1 billion to
introduce, and will not fix any of the problems that they're
supposed to.  If we're going to spend (over) £3.1 billion on the
problems then it will be much better spent trying to get at the
root causes of the problems, rather than on a silver bullet that
misses all targets by a mile.

What with the government being populist and short-termist I
believe that one of the main reasons it is being pushed is that
the public "are behind an ID card", which is why it is so
important to spread the word and let people know what is really
being proposed and why it won't help where they think it might do.
If it looks to the government like they'll have poll-tax style
riots on their hands then hopefully the proposal will quietly go
away.

For those of you with more time, here's some of the detail as I
see it:

Firstly, what is the proposal for?
==================================
Well, contrary to the name of the draft bill, it is NOT JUST FOR
AN ID CARD.  It is for an ID card backed up with a national
identity register -- a huge database including an awful lot of
information on each and every ID card holder.  The card itself
will have a photo, another piece (or possibly two) of biometric
data (fingerprint looks the most likely), and a unique ID number
to identify you on the database.  The biometric can be used to
link a person to the ID document.  This is a good thing, as it
makes it harder for someone else to use your documents (IF the
biometric check is done), and makes it harder to forge documents.
The number can be used to look up your record on the database, and
it's the database that I see as the real problem here - it will
include name, date and place of birth, current and all previous
addresses, photo, fingerprint, other biometric data, residential
status, nationality, entitlement to remain in the UK, your unique
ID number and all other personal reference numbers (NI, NHS,
passport, driving licence, any other government-issued numbers,
etc.), details of non-UK ID, prescription and medical history,
security information (PIN, password, questions to ask to confirm
identity), access records (an "audit trail" of accesses to your
entry in the register), and a whole bunch of other stuff. The home
secretary can add anything new in future if he feels like it.

This last one (the access record) is particularly spooky if the
card ends up being used as is planned - the plan is that it will
be used to confirm ID for all personal transactions (like every
time you use a credit card or use a state service). Each of these
accesses will be recorded, so there will effectively be a history
of everything you ever buy, everywhere you ever go, etc.

The holder of the card is responsible for informing the home
secretary of any changes in circumstances that affect the data
held - failure to notify will incur a fine of £1000 (anyone out
there with an old address on their driving licence?)

"What's wrong with carrying an ID card? I don't mind."
======================================================
This isn't the question to be asking - things are OK as they are,
so the question to ask is not "what's wrong with it?" but "what's
right with it?" - i.e. what benefits do we get for our (probably
vastly more than) £3.1bn? I will have something to say about what
I think is wrong with it later (there is plenty), but if faced by
someone who asks this, your initial response should be to find out
why they think there would be any point to it.  After
demonstrating why the perceived benefit doesn't really exist, or
why the proposed system is overkill for what they want (e.g.
wanting documents to be harder to forge is fine, but the database
is completely unnecessary for this).

"But it's not compulsory - if you don't want one don't get one!"
=================================================================
True, it's not compulsory for the time being, although the bill
allows for the cards to be made compulsory by secondary
legislation at some unspecified time in the future.  However, the
"non-compulsory" nature of the cards only really applies if you
don't ever want to leave the country on holiday or (legally) drive
a car here.  ID-passports will start to be issued in about three
years time, and new ten-year biometric ID-driving licences will
come in sometime after that.  You will no longer be able to get
non-ID versions of these documents. The new passports will cost
£73, the driving licence £69 and the ID card (if you "opt" to get
one) another £35.  All need to be renewed every 10 years.

OK, so that's what's on offer. Let me list a few potential snags
that spring to mind that will need to be addressed pretty
sharp-ish if the thing has a chance of doing what it's supposed
to:

What about the Irish?  We have a freedom of movement with Ireland,
but the Irish won't have ID cards.  So whenever you're asked to
show ID just say you're an Irish citizen - end of story.  The
Northern Irish are equally problematic - Under the Good Friday
agreement they get to choose their nationality, and so around 40%
of people in Northern Ireland will probably refuse to carry a UK
ID card.  And weren't the paddys some sort of terrorist threat at
some point, anyway?

The current proposals are quite possibly illegal.  If the UK
starts trying to make EU citizens carry an ID card (as they would
have to after 3 months in the country according to the proposals)
then Brussels is likely to be very unhappy.

What happens in parts of the country with devolved power? Scotland
and Wales are not obliged to follow Westminster's lead on this at
all.

OK so that's just a few things off the top of my head.  Now let's
see why it won't do what people hope it will:

"ID cards will stop terrorists"
===============================
I personally can't see how - if you believe this please explain.
The 9/11 hijackers all had valid papers (or very good fakes).
Both Spain and Turkey have compulsory ID card schemes but this
didn't stop bombings in Madrid or Istanbul.

If you already know who the terrorists are then ID cards are
superfluous, if you don't then how do the cards or register help
you identify them?

Moreover, people visiting the UK will not need an ID card for the
first three months they're here - this seems like plenty of time
to get in, blow something up and get away again (if they didn't
blow themselves up at the same time, of course).

The idea might be that the "audit trail" of accesses could help
identify suspicious behaviour - like buying a load of fertiliser
and a stopwatch in the same week or something - the problem is how
to extract this information from the enormous amount of data you
have. It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.  Good
intelligence on who you should be watching in the first place
(i.e. not everyone in the country) is much more effective.

"ID cards will reduce crime"
============================
How?  If the police don't know who did it then an ID card doesn't
help.  If they do know, then OK the database can be used to find
an address - but the criminal will know this and so not be home.

The cards will make it easier for police to know who they've
picked up, but knowing who someone is doesn't link them to a
crime.

"ID cards will stop illegal working"
====================================
There is already a system in place that should make it impossible
for "illegals" to work in this country - without a National
Insurance number you should not be able to work.  The people who
employ illegal workers know what they're doing - if they are
currently prepared to employ people without a NI number, why would
they not employ people without an ID card?

"ID Cards will stop health tourism/benefit fraud"
=================================================
90% of benefit fraud is down to people overclaiming on their real
identity. Fraud via false ID is estimated at £50m out of £2bn-£7bn
total.  Other countries with compulsory ID cards have worse
problems with fraud than we do in the UK.

The annual cost of health tourism is £20m out of a budget of
£70bn.  The recommendations are that A&E entrants should not need
to produce ID before treatment, so some people will just show up
there. For this drop in the ocean, is it worth it?

OK, so it won't work.  The only way to solve these hard problems
is by tackling their root causes, but it's easier for the
government to gain popularity by throwing a load of money at a
technological (non-)solution than by seriously addressing these
issues. By the time it becomes clear that it isn't working the
current lot will be long gone and not care any more. Still, in
polls 60-80% of people are in favour of having ID cards, so why not
just have them anyway? Firstly, as soon as you ask people if
they're in favour of cards that cost you £35 then the percentages
fall way down.

Also, the public haven't really thought through what getting a
biometric ID card is going to involve.  Currently you can pick up
a form at the post office and apply for a passport or driving
licence through the post.  No more once we get biometrics in - to
get a passport, driving licence or ID card you're going to need to
go and queue up at an enrolment centre, along with another 5
million people every year, to get scanned by a special machine
that can read your biometrics.  This isn't going to be fun,
especially when the machines break.

Finally, let's have some ideological reasons not to have them:

"If you've got nothing to hide there's nothing to fear"
=======================================================
Privacy is not the same thing as secrecy - just because you have
nothing to hide does not mean that you need every intimate detail
of your life known by the state.  Why should they know what your
favourite food is, how often you get laid, when you have your
period, etc.?  Privacy should be a basic societal right in an
"open" society such as ours.

Other countries where they have ID cards and huge central
databases also have a constitution and bill of rights that clearly
defines the relationship of the state to its citizens and what the
state can do with the data.  In the UK all we have is a
"common-law" understanding of what the state does, with no formal
curbs on what the state would be allowed to do with the
information collected.

The ID card proposals, if implemented, would fundamentally change
the relationship between the UK state and its citizens.  At the
moment innocent people can go about their business as they please
- it's the authorities who need warrant cards, etc. to prove their
identity.  The ID card would essentially become a "licence to
live", necessary for all everyday transactions like buying food or
walking down the street (Yes I know it's not compulsory to carry
them yet, but it'll come...). Is this really what we want?

I'm sure I've forgotten to mention a whole bunch of stuff, but hopefully by
now you're convinced.  If you want to read more check
out the article at:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/05/complete_idcard_guide/

A campaign is just starting up, based around a growing coalition
including Privacy International, Liberty, Stand, The Foundation
for Information Policy Research and the 1990 Trust (I haven't even
begun to go into the issues for ethnic minorities here, which are
huge). I think the Liberals and Greens will probably sign up too.
E-mail support@no2id.net to tell them you're interested.  There is
a web site up (www.no2id.net) but there's not much there yet as
it's new.

Cheers now,
Kev.


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Subject: Re: (oldschool) (OT) UK ID cards - time to start getting angry

Kev

many thanks for posting this mate, as i didn't have a clue, but as you say,
it's important to spread the word!!!

The whole ID idea is a load of bollocks!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kev Keenoy" <kevin.keenoy@navigationzone.com>
To: "Old School" <oldschool@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:16 PM
Subject: (oldschool) (OT) UK ID cards - time to start getting angry


> Hi folks,
>
> Sorry to go off on one with the way OT post - only relevant to the UK crew
> too, I'm afraid.  Am quite fired up about this at the moment though.
>
> I went to a public meeting about the UK's ID card proposals
> yesterday (the draft bill was released in April), and feel
> duty-bound to urge you all to get angry and start telling people
> why they don't want one and it's really a very bad idea.
>
> There are many reasons why it is a very bad idea, some practical,
> some social and others ideological. For those of you with no time
> to read me ranting on here's the quickest and most straightforward
> reason to oppose ID cards: they will cost at least £3.1 billion to
> introduce, and will not fix any of the problems that they're
> supposed to.  If we're going to spend (over) £3.1 billion on the
> problems then it will be much better spent trying to get at the
> root causes of the problems, rather than on a silver bullet that
> misses all targets by a mile.
>
> What with the government being populist and short-termist I
> believe that one of the main reasons it is being pushed is that
> the public "are behind an ID card", which is why it is so
> important to spread the word and let people know what is really
> being proposed and why it won't help where they think it might do.
> If it looks to the government like they'll have poll-tax style
> riots on their hands then hopefully the proposal will quietly go
> away.
>
> For those of you with more time, here's some of the detail as I
> see it:
>
> Firstly, what is the proposal for?
> ==================================
> Well, contrary to the name of the draft bill, it is NOT JUST FOR
> AN ID CARD.  It is for an ID card backed up with a national
> identity register -- a huge database including an awful lot of
> information on each and every ID card holder.  The card itself
> will have a photo, another piece (or possibly two) of biometric
> data (fingerprint looks the most likely), and a unique ID number
> to identify you on the database.  The biometric can be used to
> link a person to the ID document.  This is a good thing, as it
> makes it harder for someone else to use your documents (IF the
> biometric check is done), and makes it harder to forge documents.
> The number can be used to look up your record on the database, and
> it's the database that I see as the real problem here - it will
> include name, date and place of birth, current and all previous
> addresses, photo, fingerprint, other biometric data, residential
> status, nationality, entitlement to remain in the UK, your unique
> ID number and all other personal reference numbers (NI, NHS,
> passport, driving licence, any other government-issued numbers,
> etc.), details of non-UK ID, prescription and medical history,
> security information (PIN, password, questions to ask to confirm
> identity), access records (an "audit trail" of accesses to your
> entry in the register), and a whole bunch of other stuff. The home
> secretary can add anything new in future if he feels like it.
>
> This last one (the access record) is particularly spooky if the
> card ends up being used as is planned - the plan is that it will
> be used to confirm ID for all personal transactions (like every
> time you use a credit card or use a state service). Each of these
> accesses will be recorded, so there will effectively be a history
> of everything you ever buy, everywhere you ever go, etc.
>
> The holder of the card is responsible for informing the home
> secretary of any changes in circumstances that affect the data
> held - failure to notify will incur a fine of £1000 (anyone out
> there with an old address on their driving licence?)
>
> "What's wrong with carrying an ID card? I don't mind."
> ======================================================
> This isn't the question to be asking - things are OK as they are,
> so the question to ask is not "what's wrong with it?" but "what's
> right with it?" - i.e. what benefits do we get for our (probably
> vastly more than) £3.1bn? I will have something to say about what
> I think is wrong with it later (there is plenty), but if faced by
> someone who asks this, your initial response should be to find out
> why they think there would be any point to it.  After
> demonstrating why the perceived benefit doesn't really exist, or
> why the proposed system is overkill for what they want (e.g.
> wanting documents to be harder to forge is fine, but the database
> is completely unnecessary for this).
>
> "But it's not compulsory - if you don't want one don't get one!"
> =================================================================
> True, it's not compulsory for the time being, although the bill
> allows for the cards to be made compulsory by secondary
> legislation at some unspecified time in the future.  However, the
> "non-compulsory" nature of the cards only really applies if you
> don't ever want to leave the country on holiday or (legally) drive
> a car here.  ID-passports will start to be issued in about three
> years time, and new ten-year biometric ID-driving licences will
> come in sometime after that.  You will no longer be able to get
> non-ID versions of these documents. The new passports will cost
> £73, the driving licence £69 and the ID card (if you "opt" to get
> one) another £35.  All need to be renewed every 10 years.
>
> OK, so that's what's on offer. Let me list a few potential snags
> that spring to mind that will need to be addressed pretty
> sharp-ish if the thing has a chance of doing what it's supposed
> to:
>
> What about the Irish?  We have a freedom of movement with Ireland,
> but the Irish won't have ID cards.  So whenever you're asked to
> show ID just say you're an Irish citizen - end of story.  The
> Northern Irish are equally problematic - Under the Good Friday
> agreement they get to choose their nationality, and so around 40%
> of people in Northern Ireland will probably refuse to carry a UK
> ID card.  And weren't the paddys some sort of terrorist threat at
> some point, anyway?
>
> The current proposals are quite possibly illegal.  If the UK
> starts trying to make EU citizens carry an ID card (as they would
> have to after 3 months in the country according to the proposals)
> then Brussels is likely to be very unhappy.
>
> What happens in parts of the country with devolved power? Scotland
> and Wales are not obliged to follow Westminster's lead on this at
> all.
>
> OK so that's just a few things off the top of my head.  Now let's
> see why it won't do what people hope it will:
>
> "ID cards will stop terrorists"
> ===============================
> I personally can't see how - if you believe this please explain.
> The 9/11 hijackers all had valid papers (or very good fakes).
> Both Spain and Turkey have compulsory ID card schemes but this
> didn't stop bombings in Madrid or Istanbul.
>
> If you already know who the terrorists are then ID cards are
> superfluous, if you don't then how do the cards or register help
> you identify them?
>
> Moreover, people visiting the UK will not need an ID card for the
> first three months they're here - this seems like plenty of time
> to get in, blow something up and get away again (if they didn't
> blow themselves up at the same time, of course).
>
> The idea might be that the "audit trail" of accesses could help
> identify suspicious behaviour - like buying a load of fertiliser
> and a stopwatch in the same week or something - the problem is how
> to extract this information from the enormous amount of data you
> have. It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.  Good
> intelligence on who you should be watching in the first place
> (i.e. not everyone in the country) is much more effective.
>
> "ID cards will reduce crime"
> ============================
> How?  If the police don't know who did it then an ID card doesn't
> help.  If they do know, then OK the database can be used to find
> an address - but the criminal will know this and so not be home.
>
> The cards will make it easier for police to know who they've
> picked up, but knowing who someone is doesn't link them to a
> crime.
>
> "ID cards will stop illegal working"
> ====================================
> There is already a system in place that should make it impossible
> for "illegals" to work in this country - without a National
> Insurance number you should not be able to work.  The people who
> employ illegal workers know what they're doing - if they are
> currently prepared to employ people without a NI number, why would
> they not employ people without an ID card?
>
> "ID Cards will stop health tourism/benefit fraud"
> =================================================
> 90% of benefit fraud is down to people overclaiming on their real
> identity. Fraud via false ID is estimated at £50m out of £2bn-£7bn
> total.  Other countries with compulsory ID cards have worse
> problems with fraud than we do in the UK.
>
> The annual cost of health tourism is £20m out of a budget of
> £70bn.  The recommendations are that A&E entrants should not need
> to produce ID before treatment, so some people will just show up
> there. For this drop in the ocean, is it worth it?
>
> OK, so it won't work.  The only way to solve these hard problems
> is by tackling their root causes, but it's easier for the
> government to gain popularity by throwing a load of money at a
> technological (non-)solution than by seriously addressing these
> issues. By the time it becomes clear that it isn't working the
> current lot will be long gone and not care any more. Still, in
> polls 60-80% of people are in favour of having ID cards, so why not
> just have them anyway? Firstly, as soon as you ask people if
> they're in favour of cards that cost you £35 then the percentages
> fall way down.
>
> Also, the public haven't really thought through what getting a
> biometric ID card is going to involve.  Currently you can pick up
> a form at the post office and apply for a passport or driving
> licence through the post.  No more once we get biometrics in - to
> get a passport, driving licence or ID card you're going to need to
> go and queue up at an enrolment centre, along with another 5
> million people every year, to get scanned by a special machine
> that can read your biometrics.  This isn't going to be fun,
> especially when the machines break.
>
> Finally, let's have some ideological reasons not to have them:
>
> "If you've got nothing to hide there's nothing to fear"
> =======================================================
> Privacy is not the same thing as secrecy - just because you have
> nothing to hide does not mean that you need every intimate detail
> of your life known by the state.  Why should they know what your
> favourite food is, how often you get laid, when you have your
> period, etc.?  Privacy should be a basic societal right in an
> "open" society such as ours.
>
> Other countries where they have ID cards and huge central
> databases also have a constitution and bill of rights that clearly
> defines the relationship of the state to its citizens and what the
> state can do with the data.  In the UK all we have is a
> "common-law" understanding of what the state does, with no formal
> curbs on what the state would be allowed to do with the
> information collected.
>
> The ID card proposals, if implemented, would fundamentally change
> the relationship between the UK state and its citizens.  At the
> moment innocent people can go about their business as they please
> - it's the authorities who need warrant cards, etc. to prove their
> identity.  The ID card would essentially become a "licence to
> live", necessary for all everyday transactions like buying food or
> walking down the street (Yes I know it's not compulsory to carry
> them yet, but it'll come...). Is this really what we want?
>
> I'm sure I've forgotten to mention a whole bunch of stuff, but hopefully
by
> now you're convinced.  If you want to read more check
> out the article at:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/05/complete_idcard_guide/
>
> A campaign is just starting up, based around a growing coalition
> including Privacy International, Liberty, Stand, The Foundation
> for Information Policy Research and the 1990 Trust (I haven't even
> begun to go into the issues for ethnic minorities here, which are
> huge). I think the Liberals and Greens will probably sign up too.
> E-mail support@no2id.net to tell them you're interested.  There is
> a web site up (www.no2id.net) but there's not much there yet as
> it's new.
>
> Cheers now,
> Kev.
>
>
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Subject: Re: (oldschool) (OT) UK ID cards - time to start getting angry

Yep I agree with all of that, this "government" sucks.

ddh

> Kev
> 
> many thanks for posting this mate, as i didn't have 
a clue, but as you say,
> it's important to spread the word!!!
> 
> The whole ID idea is a load of bollocks!!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kev Keenoy" <kevin.keenoy@navigationzone.com>
> To: "Old School" <oldschool@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:16 PM
> Subject: (oldschool) (OT) UK ID cards - time to 
start getting angry
> 
> 
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Sorry to go off on one with the way OT post - only 
relevant to the UK crew
> > too, I'm afraid.  Am quite fired up about this at 
the moment though.
> >
> > I went to a public meeting about the UK's ID card 
proposals
> > yesterday (the draft bill was released in April), 
and feel
> > duty-bound to urge you all to get angry and start 
telling people
> > why they don't want one and it's really a very bad 
idea.
> >
> > There are many reasons why it is a very bad idea, 
some practical,
> > some social and others ideological. For those of 
you with no time
> > to read me ranting on here's the quickest and most 
straightforward
> > reason to oppose ID cards: they will cost at 
least ?3.1 billion to
> > introduce, and will not fix any of the problems 
that they're
> > supposed to.  If we're going to spend (over) ?3.1 
billion on the
> > problems then it will be much better spent trying 
to get at the
> > root causes of the problems, rather than on a 
silver bullet that
> > misses all targets by a mile.
> >
> > What with the government being populist and short-
termist I
> > believe that one of the main reasons it is being 
pushed is that
> > the public "are behind an ID card", which is why 
it is so
> > important to spread the word and let people know 
what is really
> > being proposed and why it won't help where they 
think it might do.
> > If it looks to the government like they'll have 
poll-tax style
> > riots on their hands then hopefully the proposal 
will quietly go
> > away.
> >
> > For those of you with more time, here's some of 
the detail as I
> > see it:
> >
> > Firstly, what is the proposal for?
> > ==================================
> > Well, contrary to the name of the draft bill, it 
is NOT JUST FOR
> > AN ID CARD.  It is for an ID card backed up with a 
national
> > identity register -- a huge database including an 
awful lot of
> > information on each and every ID card holder.  The 
card itself
> > will have a photo, another piece (or possibly two) 
of biometric
> > data (fingerprint looks the most likely), and a 
unique ID number
> > to identify you on the database.  The biometric 
can be used to
> > link a person to the ID document.  This is a good 
thing, as it
> > makes it harder for someone else to use your 
documents (IF the
> > biometric check is done), and makes it harder to 
forge documents.
> > The number can be used to look up your record on 
the database, and
> > it's the database that I see as the real problem 
here - it will
> > include name, date and place of birth, current and 
all previous
> > addresses, photo, fingerprint, other biometric 
data, residential
> > status, nationality, entitlement to remain in the 
UK, your unique
> > ID number and all other personal reference numbers 
(NI, NHS,
> > passport, driving licence, any other government-
issued numbers,
> > etc.), details of non-UK ID, prescription and 
medical history,
> > security information (PIN, password, questions to 
ask to confirm
> > identity), access records (an "audit trail" of 
accesses to your
> > entry in the register), and a whole bunch of other 
stuff. The home
> > secretary can add anything new in future if he 
feels like it.
> >
> > This last one (the access record) is particularly 
spooky if the
> > card ends up being used as is planned - the plan 
is that it will
> > be used to confirm ID for all personal 
transactions (like every
> > time you use a credit card or use a state 
service). Each of these
> > accesses will be recorded, so there will 
effectively be a history
> > of everything you ever buy, everywhere you ever 
go, etc.
> >
> > The holder of the card is responsible for 
informing the home
> > secretary of any changes in circumstances that 
affect the data
> > held - failure to notify will incur a fine of ?
1000 (anyone out
> > there with an old address on their driving 
licence?)
> >
> > "What's wrong with carrying an ID card? I don't 
mind."
> > 
======================================================
> > This isn't the question to be asking - things are 
OK as they are,
> > so the question to ask is not "what's wrong with 
it?" but "what's
> > right with it?" - i.e. what benefits do we get for 
our (probably
> > vastly more than) ?3.1bn? I will have something to 
say about what
> > I think is wrong with it later (there is plenty), 
but if faced by
> > someone who asks this, your initial response 
should be to find out
> > why they think there would be any point to it.  
After
> > demonstrating why the perceived benefit doesn't 
really exist, or
> > why the proposed system is overkill for what they 
want (e.g.
> > wanting documents to be harder to forge is fine, 
but the database
> > is completely unnecessary for this).
> >
> > "But it's not compulsory - if you don't want one 
don't get one!"
> > 
=======================================================
==========
> > True, it's not compulsory for the time being, 
although the bill
> > allows for the cards to be made compulsory by 
secondary
> > legislation at some unspecified time in the 
future.  However, the
> > "non-compulsory" nature of the cards only really 
applies if you
> > don't ever want to leave the country on holiday or 
(legally) drive
> > a car here.  ID-passports will start to be issued 
in about three
> > years time, and new ten-year biometric ID-driving 
licences will
> > come in sometime after that.  You will no longer 
be able to get
> > non-ID versions of these documents. The new 
passports will cost
> > ?73, the driving licence ?69 and the ID card (if 
you "opt" to get
> > one) another ?35.  All need to be renewed every 10 
years.
> >
> > OK, so that's what's on offer. Let me list a few 
potential snags
> > that spring to mind that will need to be addressed 
pretty
> > sharp-ish if the thing has a chance of doing what 
it's supposed
> > to:
> >
> > What about the Irish?  We have a freedom of 
movement with Ireland,
> > but the Irish won't have ID cards.  So whenever 
you're asked to
> > show ID just say you're an Irish citizen - end of 
story.  The
> > Northern Irish are equally problematic - Under the 
Good Friday
> > agreement they get to choose their nationality, 
and so around 40%
> > of people in Northern Ireland will probably refuse 
to carry a UK
> > ID card.  And weren't the paddys some sort of 
terrorist threat at
> > some point, anyway?
> >
> > The current proposals are quite possibly illegal.  
If the UK
> > starts trying to make EU citizens carry an ID card 
(as they would
> > have to after 3 months in the country according to 
the proposals)
> > then Brussels is likely to be very unhappy.
> >
> > What happens in parts of the country with devolved 
power? Scotland
> > and Wales are not obliged to follow Westminster's 
lead on this at
> > all.
> >
> > OK so that's just a few things off the top of my 
head.  Now let's
> > see why it won't do what people hope it will:
> >
> > "ID cards will stop terrorists"
> > ===============================
> > I personally can't see how - if you believe this 
please explain.
> > The 9/11 hijackers all had valid papers (or very 
good fakes).
> > Both Spain and Turkey have compulsory ID card 
schemes but this
> > didn't stop bombings in Madrid or Istanbul.
> >
> > If you already know who the terrorists are then ID 
cards are
> > superfluous, if you don't then how do the cards or 
register help
> > you identify them?
> >
> > Moreover, people visiting the UK will not need an 
ID card for the
> > first three months they're here - this seems like 
plenty of time
> > to get in, blow something up and get away again 
(if they didn't
> > blow themselves up at the same time, of course).
> >
> > The idea might be that the "audit trail" of 
accesses could help
> > identify suspicious behaviour - like buying a load 
of fertiliser
> > and a stopwatch in the same week or something - 
the problem is how
> > to extract this information from the enormous 
amount of data you
> > have. It would be like looking for a needle in a 
haystack.  Good
> > intelligence on who you should be watching in the 
first place
> > (i.e. not everyone in the country) is much more 
effective.
> >
> > "ID cards will reduce crime"
> > ============================
> > How?  If the police don't know who did it then an 
ID card doesn't
> > help.  If they do know, then OK the database can 
be used to find
> > an address - but the criminal will know this and 
so not be home.
> >
> > The cards will make it easier for police to know 
who they've
> > picked up, but knowing who someone is doesn't link 
them to a
> > crime.
> >
> > "ID cards will stop illegal working"
> > ====================================
> > There is already a system in place that should 
make it impossible
> > for "illegals" to work in this country - without a 
National
> > Insurance number you should not be able to work.  
The people who
> > employ illegal workers know what they're doing - 
if they are
> > currently prepared to employ people without a NI 
number, why would
> > they not employ people without an ID card?
> >
> > "ID Cards will stop health tourism/benefit fraud"
> > =================================================
> > 90% of benefit fraud is down to people 
overclaiming on their real
> > identity. Fraud via false ID is estimated at ?50m 
out of ?2bn-?7bn
> > total.  Other countries with compulsory ID cards 
have worse
> > problems with fraud than we do in the UK.
> >
> > The annual cost of health tourism is ?20m out of a 
budget of
> > ?70bn.  The recommendations are that A&E entrants 
should not need
> > to produce ID before treatment, so some people 
will just show up
> > there. For this drop in the ocean, is it worth it?
> >
> > OK, so it won't work.  The only way to solve these 
hard problems
> > is by tackling their root causes, but it's easier 
for the
> > government to gain popularity by throwing a load 
of money at a
> > technological (non-)solution than by seriously 
addressing these
> > issues. By the time it becomes clear that it isn't 
working the
> > current lot will be long gone and not care any 
more. Still, in
> > polls 60-80% of people are in favour of having ID 
cards, so why not
> > just have them anyway? Firstly, as soon as you ask 
people if
> > they're in favour of cards that cost you ?35 then 
the percentages
> > fall way down.
> >
> > Also, the public haven't really thought through 
what getting a
> > biometric ID card is going to involve.  Currently 
you can pick up
> > a form at the post office and apply for a passport 
or driving
> > licence through the post.  No more once we get 
biometrics in - to
> > get a passport, driving licence or ID card you're 
going to need to
> > go and queue up at an enrolment centre, along with 
another 5
> > million people every year, to get scanned by a 
special machine
> > that can read your biometrics.  This isn't going 
to be fun,
> > especially when the machines break.
> >
> > Finally, let's have some ideological reasons not 
to have them:
> >
> > "If you've got nothing to hide there's nothing to 
fear"
> > 
=======================================================
> > Privacy is not the same thing as secrecy - just 
because you have
> > nothing to hide does not mean that you need every 
intimate detail
> > of your life known by the state.  Why should they 
know what your
> > favourite food is, how often you get laid, when 
you have your
> > period, etc.?  Privacy should be a basic societal 
right in an
> > "open" society such as ours.
> >
> > Other countries where they have ID cards and huge 
central
> > databases also have a constitution and bill of 
rights that clearly
> > defines the relationship of the state to its 
citizens and what the
> > state can do with the data.  In the UK all we have 
is a
> > "common-law" understanding of what the state does, 
with no formal
> > curbs on what the state would be allowed to do 
with the
> > information collected.
> >
> > The ID card proposals, if implemented, would 
fundamentally change
> > the relationship between the UK state and its 
citizens.  At the
> > moment innocent people can go about their business 
as they please
> > - it's the authorities who need warrant cards, 
etc. to prove their
> > identity.  The ID card would essentially become 
a "licence to
> > live", necessary for all everyday transactions 
like buying food or
> > walking down the street (Yes I know it's not 
compulsory to carry
> > them yet, but it'll come...). Is this really what 
we want?
> >
> > I'm sure I've forgotten to mention a whole bunch 
of stuff, but hopefully
> by
> > now you're convinced.  If you want to read more 
check
> > out the article at:
> >
> > 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/05/complete_idcard
_guide/
> >
> > A campaign is just starting up, based around a 
growing coalition
> > including Privacy International, Liberty, Stand, 
The Foundation
> > for Information Policy Research and the 1990 Trust 
(I haven't even
> > begun to go into the issues for ethnic minorities 
here, which are
> > huge). I think the Liberals and Greens will 
probably sign up too.
> > E-mail support@no2id.net to tell them you're 
interested.  There is
> > a web site up (www.no2id.net) but there's not much 
there yet as
> > it's new.
> >
> > Cheers now,
> > Kev.
> >
> >
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Does anybody know how far this label got up in releases?
I have info for TVR1-6 and TEAR01-08, as well as TEAR010.
Was there a TEAR009?=20
What was TEAR011?

Thanks

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:D

RTV001 DJ Krome & Mr Time London Calling/Brock Out  

RTV002 DJ Krome & Mr Time The Licence/Ruffneck Scouts 


TVR3  DJ Exodus & Head Pressure  Rude Boy Dem/Glass
Pipe Fury  

TVR4  DJ Krome & Mr Time  Ganja Man/Studio One Lik  

TVR5  Vinyl Conflict´s Own  Deathrow/Time´s Are
Getting Ruffer  

TVR6 Mensa Bad Boy/White Rock  

TEAR1  DJ Krome & Mr Time  The Licence (Krome & Time
Remix)/Ruffneck Scouts (DJ Dextrous Remix)  

TEAR2  DJ Ash & Big Vern Squeeze/Magnificent 

TEAR3  Missing  Explicit Lyrics/Rewound Riddim  

TEAR4  DJ Krome & Mr Time  Ganja Man (DJ Hype
Remix)/Cyberfunkin´  

TEAR5  DJ Krome & Mr Time  Mad Phunk/Hip Hop Ride  

TEAR6  Missing  Explicit Lyrics (Remix)/Known Around
the Hood   

TEAR7  Timebase  Funky/War Zone  

TEAR8  Timebase  Out of the World/Phenomenon/Xhale  

TEAR9  Missing  Pure Enrgy/Ebony  

TEAR10  Shogun Assassin  Shogun Assassin/Switch  

TEAR11 ? ? (white only me thinks)

:D




 --- Christopher Landis Shively <heino@ku.edu> wrote:
> Does anybody know how far this label got up in
> releases?
> I have info for TVR1-6 and TEAR01-08, as well as
> TEAR010.
> Was there a TEAR009? 
> What was TEAR011?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> ---chris
>  

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Well, first of all, sorry to all the people whos messages didnt get thru to
the list over the last 3 weeks or so. To make that clearer, the only ones
that havent got thru are the ones that people have been sending from
accounts that they are not subscribed with.
I was offline for 3 weeks due to moving house/getting phone line on/waiting
for broadband etc and came back to over 2000 emails lol fucking spam :(

Anyway, as I am selling the rest of my collectionand decks, I will also be
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first there was da Sunday Skool, Sunday Sermon now=20
da Sunday Sundae is taking place at the now legendary=20

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You know I'm always down to mod, and I've done it before!

:)



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>
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> Dest
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on 25/5/04 12:43 AM, DJ Entropy at djentropy@mindspring.com wrote:

> You know I'm always down to mod, and I've done it before!
> 
> :)

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Subject: Re: (oldschool) List moderator anyone?

On Tue, 25 May 2004 16:27:07 +0800, Colin Dee <colindee@hotpop.com> wrote:

> on 25/5/04 12:43 AM, DJ Entropy at djentropy@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>> You know I'm always down to mod, and I've done it before!
>>
>> :)
>
> Yes you have - and wasnt that fun.
>
> Colin Dee.


You love me.  I didn't do anything, I just kept the spam out and let 
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Subject: Re: (oldschool) List moderator anyone?

You're more than welcome to it as far as I'm concerned - I certainly have
enough spam to deal with as is!

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> On Tue, 25 May 2004 16:27:07 +0800, Colin Dee <colindee@hotpop.com> wrote:
>
> > on 25/5/04 12:43 AM, DJ Entropy at djentropy@mindspring.com wrote:
> >
> >> You know I'm always down to mod, and I've done it before!
> >>
> >> :)
> >
> > Yes you have - and wasnt that fun.
> >
> > Colin Dee.
>
>
> You love me.  I didn't do anything, I just kept the spam out and let
> everyone go about their business!  That's all it entails, unless people
> want list promotion.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> -------
> DJ Entropy
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> http://www.djentropy.com
>
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> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin, 1759.
> "No his mind is not for rent, to any god or government" - Rush
> "The only thing you can do with your money that's bad for the economy is
> send it to the federal government." - Gary Nolan '04
> VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR JUST STAY THE FUCK HOME.
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Subject: (oldschool) Classic Quote from Ebay

ANYONE WHO WAS AT THE ECLIPSE, SHELLYS, RAINDANCE, AMNESIA, FANTAZIA,
LABYRINTH ETC ETC ETC WILL KNOW THESE WITH-OUT-A-DOUBT. TOTAL TOTAL CLASSIC
HARDCORE B4 IT ALL WENT SHIT!!!!

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Put that on Teknoscape.com.au at your own peril Colin ;) hehehe


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on 26/5/04 4:25 PM, Harcombe, James Geoffrey at
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> Put that on Teknoscape.com.au at your own peril Colin ;) hehehe

LOL. Yeah. Judging by whats been going on in that Tueday at the Hydie
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Subject: (oldschool) BBHC EP#1 Clips now online

Here it is... a sneak preview of the forthcoming BBHC EP, due for release
sometime in July (hopefully) and to be distributed by
http://www.choicerecords.co.uk

http://www.breakbeathardcore.com/docfiles/bbhc01teaser.mp3

Tracks are as follows:

Track 1: Advance - Heart Beating Faster
Track 2: Stoopid - Stoopidmuthafukkah
Track 3: Drift - Rinse it out proper
Track 4: Forces of Nature - Gettin' Thru

We've got some exciting guest appearances lined up for future EP's so keep
your eyes peeled for more info...

If you've got a demo to send us, you can email me at:
djreflux@breakbeathardcore.com (no large file attatchments please!!) or come
and sign up on our forum and give one of the BBHC crew a PM.


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Subject: Re: (oldschool) BBHC EP#1 Clips now online

On Wed, 26 May 2004 11:15:36 +0100, Eduard Fearns 
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> http://www.breakbeathardcore.com/docfiles/bbhc01teaser.mp3
> Track 1: Advance - Heart Beating Faster


Nice!


> Track 2: Stoopid - Stoopidmuthafukkah


Nice!


> Track 3: Drift - Rinse it out proper


Decent.


> Track 4: Forces of Nature - Gettin' Thru


Nice!



Sounds good.  :)



> We've got some exciting guest appearances lined up for future EP's so 
> keep
> your eyes peeled for more info...
>
> If you've got a demo to send us, you can email me at:
> djreflux@breakbeathardcore.com


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Subject: Re: (oldschool) BBHC EP#1 Clips now online

I thought that they were all quite unoriginal 

sorry
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> On Wed, 26 May 2004 11:15:36 +0100, Eduard Fearns 
> <eduard.fearns@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> > http://www.breakbeathardcore.com/docfiles/bbhc01teaser.mp3
> > Track 1: Advance - Heart Beating Faster
> 
> 
> Nice!
> 
> 
> > Track 2: Stoopid - Stoopidmuthafukkah
> 
> 
> Nice!
> 
> 
> > Track 3: Drift - Rinse it out proper
> 
> 
> Decent.
> 
> 
> > Track 4: Forces of Nature - Gettin' Thru
> 
> 
> Nice!
> 
> 
> 
> Sounds good.  :)
> 
> 
> 
> > We've got some exciting guest appearances lined up for future EP's so 
> > keep
> > your eyes peeled for more info...
> >
> > If you've got a demo to send us, you can email me at:
> > djreflux@breakbeathardcore.com
> 
> 
> http://www.djentropy.com/tracks/   ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -------
> DJ Entropy
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> http://www.djentropy.com
> 
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> send it to the federal government." - Gary Nolan '04
> VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR JUST STAY THE FUCK HOME.
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Subject: (oldschool) Records For Sale

Hello!


I've got some records for sale.. a lot of them being old skool, so I saw it 
fit to post the list here. :)

http://www.liquidvinyldjs.com/constructed/records.txt


If you're interested in them, please send me an e-mail at 
djcloudskipper@hotmail.com.

Thanks! :)


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Jesse, can you please email me as your Hotmail inbox seems to be too full or something and my email to you bounced.

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Subject: Re: (oldschool) Classic Quote from Ebay

Don't forget...

"I AM PUTTING THIS UP FOR SALE ONCE ONLY IF IT DOESN'T 
SELL IT GOES TO THE TIP SO BID NOW!!!1111!!!11!!!"

;)

> on 26/5/04 4:25 PM, Harcombe, James Geoffrey at
> James.Harcombe@health.wa.gov.au wrote:
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> > Put that on Teknoscape.com.au at your own peril 
Colin ;) hehehe
> 
> LOL. Yeah. Judging by whats been going on in that 
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> thread, i'm sure to get LOTS of attention =)
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Subject: Re: (oldschool) BBHC EP#1 Clips now online

4th one is the standout by miles imo!

Other 3 are also good, but not as good as 4 :D



Cheers, Rob
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>Subject: Re: (oldschool) BBHC EP#1 Clips now online
>Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:48:03 +0100
>
>I thought that they were all quite unoriginal
>
>sorry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "DJ Entropy" <djentropy@mindspring.com>
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>Cc: <djreflux@breakbeathardcore.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 5:46 PM
>Subject: Re: (oldschool) BBHC EP#1 Clips now online
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> > On Wed, 26 May 2004 11:15:36 +0100, Eduard Fearns
> > <eduard.fearns@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.breakbeathardcore.com/docfiles/bbhc01teaser.mp3
> > > Track 1: Advance - Heart Beating Faster
> >
> >
> > Nice!
> >
> >
> > > Track 2: Stoopid - Stoopidmuthafukkah
> >
> >
> > Nice!
> >
> >
> > > Track 3: Drift - Rinse it out proper
> >
> >
> > Decent.
> >
> >
> > > Track 4: Forces of Nature - Gettin' Thru
> >
> >
> > Nice!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds good.  :)
> >
> >
> >
> > > We've got some exciting guest appearances lined up for future EP's so
> > > keep
> > > your eyes peeled for more info...
> > >
> > > If you've got a demo to send us, you can email me at:
> > > djreflux@breakbeathardcore.com
> >
> >
> > http://www.djentropy.com/tracks/   ;)
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> >
> >
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Subject: (oldschool) RECORDS FOR SALE


Big assortment of records...priced to move fast!  Email me if you're interested.
I'm in the US, but I will be in London on the 15th. So if you're in the UK and
can wait a bit, I will bring the tunes with me and you will save on shipping.
CASH, CHECK, OR MONEY ORDER ACCEPTED.

The older tunes are naturally a little more worn than the newer vinyl, but all
records are in very good condition (no scratches, skips, etc.) 

Also, if anyone wants to pass on some helpful information about living in Japan,
please feel free to email me with that too. ANY information at all will be
appreciated (where to go, what to do, etc.) Thanks

Here's the list: 

*$15 each*

Aphex Twin--Selected Ambient Works #1 2xLP--R & S Records
Roni Size/Reprazent--Reasons for Sharing EP (hard to find, includes Trust
Me!!)--Mercury
Various--Storm from the East LP--Moving Shadow
Various--Kool FM-The Fever 3xLP--Breakdown Records
M-Beat--The Album promo copy (basically all the M-Beat tunes on Renk!)--Renk

*EPs and LPs* $10 each

Aphex Twin--Analogue Bubblebath (4 tracks)--TVT Records
A Guy Called Gerald--Essence 2xLP--Studio K7
Technical Itch--The Diagene EP--Tech Itch
Stakka & Skynet--The Clockwork Remix 3xLP (missing one plate)--Underfire
Calyx--Limited Edition White Label EP--Moving Shadow
Makoto--Musical Message EP--Good Looking Records
Dread--Dark Soldier Remixes EP--Dread
Various--Central/Ocean Breeze/freedom Funk/Tensions of the Sea--Looking Good
Records 032
Roni Size/Reprazent--Watching Windows (DJ Die Remixes)--Talkin Loud
Various--The Best of Jungle #4 LP(incl. Lighter, Hitman, Rampage 95, Sweet
Vibrations RMX)--Production House
Various--Jungle Tekno #4 LP (incl. Sound Control,Listen Up, The Basher VIP, What
Kind of World)--Jumpin & Pumpin


*ATMOSPHERIC/JAZZY* $5 each

Voyager--Hypersleep(Original & 97 RMX)--R & S
Seba--Metropolaris/A Wonderful World--Warm Communications
Jazz Juice--Detroit/Back to Back--Precious Materials
D.O.P.E.--Burning/Travelling Rmx--Rugged Vinyl
Jazz Vibes--Sax (2 mixes)--Strictly Underground

*NEWER RAGGA* $5 each

General Malice--???/???--Big Cat 02 promo
Red Army--Roodbwoy Dub/The Content--Argon
Mr. Vegas--Western End (Sniper RMX)--Oracabessa
Jungle Jim--Innarhythm/Spectrum--???
H Jungle T--Wow War Tonight/Automatic--T.J.M.
DJ Heavy--Massive (Original & Chris Anderson RMX)--white label
Various--Congo Natty/Souljah/Zion records - white labels

*RUFF/DARK* $4 each

Oscar Da Grouch--Passin' Me By RMX (classic remix of Pharcyde)--N20
Spirit/Digital--Raygun/Ras 78--Function
Baron--Sour/8-Bit--Phuturo
Ed Rush & Optical/Roni Size--Shrinkwrap/Windrush--Planet V
Weighty Plates Vol. 3--Standard Flow(Origin Unknown RMX)--Weighty Plates
Freeburning--Operator/Limey--Freeburning 001
Swift--Hi Tek/Mission--Charge
Stress Level & TC1--Bring Love/Backtrack--Dispatch
Explorer & Dee Pulse--Helium/Insekz--Hard Edged
Young Ax--Sunset/Alone--Santorin
Hired Gun--No Competition/Me & You--Influential
JMJ & Richie--Zebra 3/Temporal Mechanics--Moving Shadow
Dub Pistols--Cyclone(DJ Red RMX)/Bushwacka--Concrete
Phunkateck--Diabolika(Juju RMX)/Wickedvox--Ghostnote
Dread Warrior--Wootang Double Bass RMX/So Good--Dread
Alex Reece--Pulp Fiction RMX/???--Fallen Angels
Bill Riley--Wake Up/In at the Deep End--Protocol #1
Juju--Evilways/Guerra--Green Label
Majistrate--Choice/Key Level--East Side
Morpheus--Coco Cube/Calied--Nu Urban
Spring Heel Jack--Casino(Original and DJ SS RMX)--Island
DJ Dan--That Zipper Track(Sniper RMX)--Moonshine
Decorum--Contrax/All Mighty--Liftin Spirit
Datcyde/Jo-S--Sober 2000/The Syphon RMX--Caffeine
Modern Moves--Cypher/Rollcage--Global Thang
Twin Blade--This DJ/Scuzzy--Beeswax
The Growler--EZ/Lovely--Nosh
Mystic Moods--The Journey Part 2--Mystic Moods
Schweisser--Friss Scheisse (Makai RMX,Megashira RMX,Panacea 
RMX)--Bulletproof
Ben Neill--Tunnel Vision (DJ Krust RMX,Spring Heel Jack RMx,X-ecutioners 
RMX)--Antilles
Ghost Face--Nocturnal/Haunted House--Voodoo Records
Red One--Strangled Duck/Stop Start--Liftin Spirits
Subnation--Scottie Remixes Pt. 2 (Ray Keith and Cool Breeze)--Labello Blanco


****THESE TUNES ARE $10 EACH****

*92-94* 

Ratpack--Searching for my Rizla(absolute hardcore anthem!!)--MAG001
Intense--The Genesis Project EP--Rugged Vinyl
Area 39 (early Optical!)--The Planet Spins/Sparkling(Aphrodite RMX)--Genetic
Stress
Dillinja (early...Dillinja!)--Deadly Ceremonies/Sovereign Melody--Deadly Vinyl
Omni Trio Vol. 5--Soul Promenade(Nookie RMX)/Living for the Future(FBD
RMX)--Moving Shadow 10"
Dextrous & Rude Boy Keith--Kings of the Jungle Pt. 1--Suburban Base
Brockout Crew--Hardcore Romance/Don't Dis the King--Slam
Bizzy B--Wicked Man/Come On People--Brain
M-Beat--Style/Rumble--Renk
JB & Asend 10"--Let It Go/The Dreamer--Back 2 Basics
???--Oh Yeah Remixes(Johnny Jungle/Back 2 Basics)--IQ
Danny C--The Well Balanced EP (early Danny C wickedness)--Absolute Zero
Blame & Justice--Nightvision(D'Cruze RMX)/Nocturnal(Blame & Justice RMX)--Moving
Shadow
Various Artists--4 tracks (incl. Ganja Man, This Style)--Slammin Vinyl

*95-96*

Shy FX--My Way/Nasty RMX--SOUR
Atomic Dog (T.Power!)--Break it Down/Step Into Lite--Deep Thought
T. Power--Police State Remixes (Prospects for Democracy and
Synthesis)--SOUR/TPOW 001R
Datcyde & MC Blaise--Naughty Ride Original & Odi RMX (RARE!)--Jungle Sky
In Between The Lines--95 Rampage(Roni Size RMX)/We're Rollin(DJ SS
RMX)--Formation
Omni Trio--Feel Good '95/London Step--Moving Shadow
Cool Breeze--Finger on the Trigger/Kik It 2 Um--2 Tuff
All Massive--Gettin Busy (2 mixes)--Rude & Deadly
Ill Figure--Untouchable/Style--Suburban Base
M.P.--Sh*t Maaan!/Darkside--Dread
Jack Ruby--Ophelia/Ocean Dreams--Knowledge
DJ D. Lux--Mr. Bond/Da Warnin--Status
Runnin' Man--Trek/Light Years--Flex


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see subject line. anybody have a discog for Da Hood?

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Subject: (oldschool) Prodigy site with some good downloads!

Check this out!

<http://www.brainkiller.it/>




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Subject: (oldschool) Sale @ Repetitive Beats

Hi all,

Running a short but sweet three day sale over at Repetitive Beats to help
clear some stock out and bring new stuff in. From Tuesday, 1st June,
through Thursday, 3rd June, all tunes are on sale when you buy 2 or more.
It breaks down like this;

Buy 2 or more tunes, get 10% off your total order.
Buy 5 or more tunes, get 15% off your total order.
Buy 10 or more tunes, get 20% off your total order!

This includes all the tunes that are currently in stock. And there's still
some classic slammers and underground anthems up there, as well, including
tunes like;

:: 4 Hero - The Headhunter EP [Reinforced]
:: Acid Beard Massive - Punch-Out EP [Bogwoppa]
:: Bizzy B & D.Lux - Darkness [Brain]
:: Cedric Winkleburger - Take It Easy [Shut Up And Dance]
:: DJ Ileagle - Crazy / Testify [Dee Jay]
:: EQ - The Graphic EP [Formation]
:: Foul Play - Volume 2 [Oblivion]
:: Ginetix - All Torn Up / Main Event [Face]
:: House Crew - Keep The Fire Burning (Remixes) [Production House]
:: Invisible Man - Skyliner / Power [Timeless]
:: Jumpin Jack Frost - F Project #15 [F Project]
:: Kicksquad - Soundclash (Champion Sound) [Kickin]
:: Lewi Cifer - Heat (Remixes) [Red Eye]
:: Mixrace Productions - Different Drum [Mobhanded]
:: Noise Factory - Alienation EP [3rd Party]
:: Omni Trio - Volume 3: Renegade Snares EP [Moving Shadow]
:: Peshay, J. Majik, Rufige Cru & Nu Era - World Of Music EP [Infrared]
:: Rachel Wallace - Tell Me Why (Remixes) [Suburban Base]
:: Studio 1 - To The Rescue [Jungle Mania]
:: Tango & Ratty - The Remixes EP [T&R]
:: Urban Shakedown - Some Justice (Nookie Remix) [Urban Shakedown]
:: Various Artists - Straight From The Bedroom EP pts. 1-3 [STFB]
:: Wax Doctor - Logical Progression [Face]
:: X-Cert - Bass Nightmare / Reality [Limited E Edition]
:: Yage - Fuzzy Logic EP [Jumpin & Pumpin]

And that's just a small sampling. Check it all out; the details and fine
print are on the front page of the site, located at:

		http://repetitivebeats.gemm.com

If you have any questions just give me a shout via e-mail.  Feel free to
crosspost this anywhere you think might be interested :)

Take care,
- Chris Purity

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