From LISTSERV@UMDD.UMD.EDU Wed Aug 10 23:26:32 1994 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:17:43 -0400 From: BITNET list server at UMDD To: Daniel Philpott Subject: File: "NE-RAVES LOG9405" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 01:25:35 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Re: beltane's >tonight is the night for all parties. better than any equinox, today >is beltane's day. today is the day that represents fertility, growth ^^^^^^^^^ Geee, I think I'm glad I'm home right now, otherwise it'd be just my luck to "get lucky" at a party and then wind up with a paternity suite on my hands :) >their love. tonight its not X that'll do it; just today's magic But, well, it might help... :) May your god( s ) go with you :) Ciao, Grant Most Quoted Oz-Raver Line In History: "we are not conforming to the social ideal of non conformity" - VicZ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 02:48:41 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , WILL-E Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: WILL-E Subject: Re: Germany >California has something similiar to this. Basically if you are found in >possession of under a half ounce that is in one bag (ie: if you have it >in several bags it is probably for resale) then you don't go to lock up. >They write out a $25 fine and confiscate your bud. FYI, New York is pretty much the same deal but the quantity involved and the amount of the fine might be a little bit different. ___ / / / / / / _ __/ (_/__/ / (__ (__ ___/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 10:47:20 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Rebecca A. Cochran" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Rebecca A. Cochran" Organization: The American University Subject: BeccaMD moving and stuff..: Hi everyone. I am posting to let all of you know that I will be leaving the Eas t Coast of the US on Monday the 9th of May. I am spending a week in Houston Tex as, so if you live around that area, please get in touch with me this week at r c3116a@american.edu I will be arriving in Sacramento on May 16th. If you are going to be out wes t at all this summer, please let me know. My parents house is huge, and I would love to have ya'll come and stay over! :) Finally, I am getting a netcom account while I am out there...so I will post again when I have the new address. And I am going to be driving back from Sacr amento to the DC area in mid-August. If anyone would like me to stop by on my way driving cross-country, please let me know. I am going to have to schedule my drive no later than July 25th...so I can get the triptiks, and figure out ho w much money I need for hotels and the like along the way. For those of you that I have met here, thanks for some wonderful times. For those I haven't met yet...I'll be back in the Fall! of course I will be in gra d school....but I will be back on the East coast. Hope to hear from you soon... BeccaMD ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 10:17:08 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: SMIV! Okee, I'm not going to do a play by play like I normally do.... This event was AWESOME! I felt vibes I haven't felt since Expand....everyone drenched [well, and even those not dancing..] I carried a HUGE smile throught the night. And it was so cool to be able to dance with all different sorts of people [incuding a guy from work I mentioend it to :) and a friend of mine from since I was born tat both came..] Net people in attendence [to my best knowledge :) ]: Me, Hossam, Jypsi, Sheryl, Dan, Scott Borst, Dave Darrow, Sandy/goodvibe, PJ, Michelle, John Sweeny, Lonnie, Mike, Peekay. The space that the rave was in was great! Why do I mention it? Well, it's going to be the same spot for a weekly event on Fridays....only one thing comes to mind...well two really....one, the place is painted black, it was cool out last night and such and the place was still DEAD hot!!! And I kept thinking, yaknow, during the summer it must be a STEAM BATH in there!.....the other thing is the bathrooms...within one night, in the girls bathroom, they wripped down one of the doors completely and made the two other toilets unable to be used....sigh...I wish there was something to do about it...... Well, Wink was wonderful as always :) And I had a blast! Thanks to all you cuddly people that I got to curl up with and dance with uncontrolably. But man, one thing I forgot!!! I FORGOT TO BUY A RAVE THE BAY TICKET!!!! I thought about it when I first got there, but my mind was pleasantly distracted after that.... Sigh, ah well, at least I found a ride finally to RAVE CALLED SCOTT so that should be cool, I'm goin' with a newbie...... Well, take care all....love you truly and in depth.... Melzie the Snuggly Cheesecake ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 14:00:41 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Re: Cosmic Baby Sydney 7th >yes! yes! yes! OARRv6.0! and i've got a HUGE surprise for >everyone...bringing back the nuttiness =))) What??? You rolling your spliffs with Nobby's Mixed Nuts again???? :) >'Minesweeper Room' Oh, puh-lease, make me puke or sommat???? Hah, I can see it now - "Oh no, you clicked on the wrong square - sorry, your brain just exploded" :) >Vic was invited to play at the 94 DJ competition at Brave. He's playing on >the 11th of May so please turn up and only dance during his set >:-) This is *COOL* news - congrats Vic Z and good luck with the comp. Mmmmmm, I can *still* remember the lasers at BRave :) Grant Learn From Yesterday, Plan for Tomorrow, Live for Today, PARTY FOR TONITE!!!!!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 15:39:11 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: SYNTHESIS: review well, tina and i headed up to synthesis last night.. didn't see any ne-ravers there... were there any? we didn't stay too long (til 5) ('cos i just got two new kitties that i didn't want to leave alone too long).. but, we had a good time... the music was so-so, up and down really.. some nice hard trance..and a few gems here and there... the vibe was so-so also.. not bad.. but, not in over-abundance... the door guy was an asshole.. tina and i wanted to go out to our car to get some water.. but, he wouldn't let us both go.. even tho there was was an open door policy.. that sort of killed much of the mood for the night... until "papua new guinea" came on... made us smile some more.. we danced for another hour.. then went home. all in all it was a good time.. since i haven't been to a proper rave since new years.. hope you all had a good weekend maybe i'll see some of you at phoenix next weekend!\ xoxox >.taylor ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 15:44:39 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Andrew Edelson Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Andrew Edelson SIGN-OFF NE-RAVES ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 18:21:31 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Phoenix anyone??? -Reply Pheonix is going to be the party! Forget this amusement park crap, "RAVE CALLED SCOTT" and wake up ravers, Brooklyn is the only place to be. Their working on their next party July 9th, and the lineup is even phatter. Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 18:30:02 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Phoenix -Reply Any netter that wants to be on the list for Phoenix e-mail by Thursday. Just leave your name and the names of the people your coming with, even if their not on the net. cliftoda@lanmail.shu.edu. Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 19:13:50 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Phoenix anyone??? -Reply Any netter that wants to be on the list for Phoenix can e-mail me by Thursday with your name and the names of your friends, even if their not on the net. cliftoda@lanmail.shu.edu. Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 19:13:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rachel J Wakefield Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rachel J Wakefield Subject: WETWARE ADDRESS i guess some of you didn't get the complete address in our posting. we're kind of newbies here but here goes again. WETWARE PO BOX 822 HAMPTON, NH 03842 if you altogether missed the preview we gave you to begin w/... WETWARE INTERVIEWS w/ adam x, heather heart, jimmy crash, plastikman, drop bass network's jethrox, tranquility bass, tresor's dimitri, dj hyperactive, & ohio's sleepy c, + ???? INCLUDES gripes, reviews of music forts and beer, art, paranoias, poetry, celebs, angst, hope for NE. YOUR COST is a hidden dollar, OR event flers, OR any contribs to issue 2. [cheap for 50 quality tech pages] you can write for furthur details to RACHELW@CHRISTA.UNH.EDU thanks to those who responded already. [[[[mark & rachel]]]] ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 19:25:30 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rachel J Wakefield Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rachel J Wakefield Subject: Re: Phoenix -Reply In-Reply-To: <199405012228.SAA10414@holmes.umd.edu> On Sun, 1 May 1994 CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU wrote: > Any netter that wants to be on the list for Phoenix e-mail by > Thursday. Just leave your name and the names of the people your > coming with, even if their not on the net. > cliftoda@lanmail.shu.edu. > Peace, > Dan DC > DAN DC, hell yea we're interested in PHOENIX. we'll be coming from new hampshire & groove tunin. please let us know where & when [when you can] so we can give you thanks [nh stylee]. we are mark passive and ma travis e-mail is rachelw@christa.unh.edu 603 743 5107 take car and see you. mark ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 19:49:55 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , e boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: e boy Subject: what's left... hey all there are currently 379 tickets left for rave the bay.... lonnie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 19:49:05 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "J. Adams" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "J. Adams" Subject: Re: Phoenix anyone??? -Reply Uhhh... get us a ride there, huh? :) I need a ride. :) -john ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 18:18:40 -0700 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Stefan Stasik Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Stefan Stasik Subject: My time at Atlantis: A review Sunday May 1st , 1994 8:00 pm (may day may day! thats the russian holiday!) Hey all! Well, it was a pretty good time at Atlantis last night... After picking up Jenny and Brendan, we headed our way down to Providence RI. My what a short little ride that is! :) We went to Paul Paul's party near Brown for a bit, and danced downstairs for a while. We then moved onto the rave about Midnight. Upon getting there, we quickly spotted JP's booth (the only booth there) and stored our belongings there. We were greeted with Hard Breakbeat for the first hour or so that we were there. I personally had a hard time findin the groove and beat to this stuff, so I basically chilled and played JP's Atari 2600 at this point. (thanks JP!) Around 2 it started to get more housey, and I started to get out on the floor more. From then on I would be out on the floor in sections, after being out there for more than 15 minutes i would be completely wiped and sweating, so I would take a break. I also found some of the music less 'move-your-body' inspiring than other stuff. Despite that, I managed to sweat out 2 whole bottles of water during the night.. it was QUITE warm in there! Finally at about 6 the lights went up, (in a rather obnoxious way) and people started to clear. The promoter was trying to hit up Joe for money afterwards because 'they came up short'. I thought this was extremely unfair, and thought that Joe was being especially generous by compromising and giving half. Ah the behind the scenes going-on, isn't it fun? All in all I found it to be a good night, although musically it could have been better. It seemed to be a little more disorganized than the Maine productions, and there was only one booth! Ventilation seemed non-existant, keeping the heat high, and I could only stay out there for short periods.. :( Talking to my friend about Atlantis last year, I found out that it was all Hard-Coah. Wannh! Where's the hard core?? (at least a little?) Kudos to the WHOOOLE cybertribe group, Joe, Julian and jennberry, Donato, Chris, John, Becca, and everyone else i don't know or don't remember. And of course Jenny (who keep beating me in Pac Man (invincible!! :) ) ) and Brendan (who graciously served us breakfast afterwards w/ Leslie at his place!) for such great company! - Stefan aka Deej'. Stefan Stasik ** Brighton Ave., Boston, MA USA ** IRC: DJay ** No Commercial Potential - WZBC 90.3 FM Newton, Mass. sss@netcom.com -* America Is One Big Info-Mercial! *- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 21:34:02 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Francois Dion Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Francois Dion Subject: Re: Francois Dion In-Reply-To: <199404292127.RAA01223@holmes.umd.edu> from "fujiyama mo'" at Apr 29, 94 04:17:51 pm Dans la Matrice, fujiyama mo' a dit: > > Does anyone know how I can get in contact w/ a guy named Francois Dion > who posts to this list (assuming he doesn't see this himself)? Thanks-- I'm responding to him directly also, but just tought i'd mention this: if you send me email and dont get an answer for a few days, dont panic. I've been know to work on a project (and so, being in hack mode) for well over a week. To top this, i receive indecent amount of email even if i am not on many lists anymore (but people dont know that, and still email me!), so be patient, please! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' IdMEDIA \ Managing: \ Publishing: \ Specialising: CP 312 \ Equation de Base \ Cybernaute \ Multimedia & Telecom St-Lambert, QC \ Francois Dion \ IDM Software \ design, publishing & Canada, J4P 3P8 \ Fuzzy Logic \ Raving Up North \ testing(hard/software) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 23:21:45 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: Flyer Gripe! Okay, this has been a gripe of mine for awhile and since a lot of ya'll make and have something to do with the presentation of flyers, I want to voice it. Nothing big..... On teasers, they will have the name of the event...an info line not necessarily near the event....some of the leading DJ's..who it's put on by etc.....what don't they include [on MOST..not all] THE CITY IT'S IN! I mean, when I pick up a flyer and get excited over some DJ I adore playin' an event, I want to be able to know if it's feasible for me to get there and all....yaknow? Just take it to heart :) Melzie aka why do computer people tell me I seem unapproachable in RL...hell, I'm exactly the same as I am on computer.. just more tangible :) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 00:14:01 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , David Sklar Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: David Sklar Subject: Algorithmic Techno Generator Hey Hey Hey folks....check this neato keano thingo out . .. . -dave ------- Forwarded Message ****************** *GREETINGS, FRIENDS!* May 1, 1994 ****************** This message is to announce the completion of the Communal Groove Machine (CGM), a program six months in the making that runs in "moocode" on CTDMOO, reched via telnet to ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu 8888. (Further instructions on how to get there later in this posting.) The CGM is an algorithmic composing agent that maintains a vast database of rhythm elements, music structures, and bass & chord patterns that it uses to compose techno songs whose essential qualities are determined by participants who interact with the machine in a text-based virtual reality. The songs generated by participants using the CGM will be engineered and recorded for use in a ten-hour long production taking place in a popular nightclub in downtown Chicago in late June. (The production is the creation of Northwestern University composer Amnon Wolman, who based the idea around the diaries of Andy Warhol; hence the overdone 10-hour length.) Musicians, ravers, techno aficionados, composers, and anyone else interested are invited to explore the Communal Groove Machine, generate grooves, and contribute to the ever-growing groove elements library. The compositional paradigm that forms the foundation of the CGM is that of the future; where the listener, the audience, the *subject* will orchestrate what she experiences. TO PARTICIPATE: - ---------------- Beginning noon, May 2nd, anyone with telnet access may telnet to ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu 8888 and connect as a guest. (Email canton@nwu.edu for information about dial-up access for those who have modems but no internet access.) When you connect as a guest, you will appear in the basement of CTDMOO, the Center for Talent Development MOO. (Please be kind to any residents you bump into on CTDMOO; most are thirteen years old and are quite sensitive.) Type 's' and hit return to go south. Then type 'press silver button' to be transported to the Communal Groove Machine. From there, things are pretty self explanatory. However, if you are totally unfamiliar with MOO commands, you may want to read a few help pages, such as 'help basics'. (especially 'help basics'.) Enjoy the groove. TO CONTRIBUTE DATABASE ELEMENTS: - ---------------------------------- Email stuff to canton@nwu.edu. Perhaps you ask, "What sort of stuff"? Keep reading. If you are not interested in contributing to the database itself, but would rather just fiddle with the CGM and design yourself some techno, then you probably don't have to read the rest of this article. THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION! If you have any questions, I am yours, Canton Becker canton@nwu.edu Artificial Intelligence & Music Technology Programs, Northwestern University MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION: - -------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------ The Communal Groove Machine: Solicitation for chord and bass sequences. - ------------------------------------------------ The Communal Groove Machine (CGM) algorithmically generates techno music based upon an immense library of drum patterns, chord progressions, dance cliches, etc. Well, an *almost* immense library. We need some help from you. If you feel inspired, creative, bored, or as if you need some groove in your karma, please email a chord progression or bass progression to canton@nwu.edu or Canton (#230) here, on CTDMOO. Be sure to include a little note that mentions how you feel the progression sounds... A weird notation system MUST be followed, which is described below. Please email only progressions in this syntax: *NOTE* Both bass and chord progressions must be "16 beats long", that is, about two measures long in 4/4 time (a "beat" here is an eigth note) and in the key of C. You MUST specify at the top of your suggesion what tonality your submission fits under. Options are: C major, C minor, or C ambiguous. (Something that was only centered around the 1st and the 5th would be ambiguous, for example.) FORMAT FOR BASS LINE SUBMISSIONS: submit tonality, plus 1-16 lines whose total beat lengths are EQUAL to 16, and look like this: <#beats> where is any of C D E F G A B, stands for natural, flat, or sharp, and <#beats> indicates how long the bass should hold this note. PLEASE NOTE that the techno machine will not boringly play the notes you select and hold them for 8 counts, etcetera... If you specify #beats as 4, the Techno Machine will *apply a rhythm* to the bass instrument over those four beats. EXAMPLE: Tonality: C minor Cn 4 Bf 4 Ef 4 Cn 4 FORMAT FOR CHORD PROGRESSION SUBMISSIONS: submit tonality (as in bassline submissions), plus 1-16 lines whose total beat lengths are EQUAL to 16, and look like this: <0,7,9><0,M,m,d><0,M,m,d> <#beats> where is any of C D E F G A B, stands for natural, sharp, or flah, determines whether the chord should be minor, Major, Augmented, or diminshed, <0,7,9> shows whether the chord should be a simple triad (0), 7th chord, or 7th+9th chord. The first <0,M,m,d> is used to indicate the type of 7th, if any (0=no seventh, M=major 7th, m=minor 7th, d=diminished 7th) and the second <0,M,m,d> is used in the same way to describe the 9th. EXAMPLE TRANSLATIONS: 'C minor chord' => 'Cnm000' 'E flat diminshed chord' => 'Efd000' 'F sharp major 7th diminished 9th' => 'FsM9Md' EXAMPLE: Tonality: C minor Cnm000 4 Efm000 4 BfM000 4 Cnm000 4 THANKS FOR ANY HELP! Please realize that by emailing me any chord progressions or base lines, you are giving up all rights to your creation- the techno machine may use your creations in part or in whole without acknowledging you. HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE IT IF: You could ALSO provide with any material you send in: Your name, email address, phone number, ANYTHING: Quotes, .gifs, .au sound files, anything. The production in which the music generated by the techno machine will be used is a multi-media sensory conglomerate... Your creations, your ideas, your everything may be incorperated into music, video, lyrics, or anything else. If you leave your email address, you will be added to a list which will keep you informed of dates for the production itself, any pending CD release of techno machine music, etc. THANKS! - -Canton Becker and Amnon Wolman, Northwestern University Music Technology Program. - --------------------------------- page 4 - ----------------------------------- ****************************************************************** *** HOW DO I GET TO HEAR WHAT I'VE MADE? *** ****************************************************************** After pressing the DOIT button, you'll have thousands of lines of MIDI junk spewed to your screen. Unless you can sightread MIDI code, you'll probably want to hear what you've made... Here are some options: #1: Stay tuned for information regarding the actual June/July production to take place in Chicago. You could show up and scream "HEY, THAT'S MY SONG" and see if anyone belives you. #2: Stay tuned for information regarding a WWW server I'll be setting up that will serve audio files of songs resulting from your MIDI code. #3: Some of these songs will probably be pressed onto a CD for release after July. BE SURE TO LEAVE YOUR EMAIL OR SNAIL MAIL ADDRESS IN THE AUTHOR NOTE PAD! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (That's it!) ------- End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 10:10:32 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: Germany In-Reply-To: <199404301732.NAA05151@holmes.umd.edu>; from "danFREELove" at Apr 30, 94 1:28 pm > > On Fri, 29 Apr 1994, Terence R. Strick wrote: > > > Wierd. According to the daily press report I get about France and Europe, > > Germany has just depenalized cannabis. They will not prosecute people > > found in posession of "small amounts" of haschisch or marijuana. Nonetheless, > > the sale of these substances will remain punishable. It's a good first > > step, but seems limited without also legalizing sale. Frankfurt anyone ? :) > > California has something similiar to this. Basically if you are found in > possession of under a half ounce that is in one bag (ie: if you have it > in several bags it is probably for resale) then you don't go to lock up. > They write out a $25 fine and confiscate your bud. In reality they > usually don't even bother with a ticket, they will just toss it on the > ground, stomp on it, maybe piss on it or pour something on it and then > leave. But I don't know how it is currently out there. Been a long time > since I got caught with any. ;) > > Dan > > "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott > Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud > You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam > You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | anarchy@eng.umd.edu > In new york marijuana is also decriminalized for small amounts. Possesion of less than 7/8 of an ounce is a misdommeaner.(sp) however smoking it,selling it, or even passing it in poublic are all still crimes. Excuse me..under 7/8 of an ounce possesion is a violation- a ticket- les than a crime. Of course since the reagan propaganda campaign, they are ,more serious about pursuing the tickets, and finding ways to piump it up past possesion peace -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 11:33:53 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Thomas C Noe Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Thomas C Noe Subject: Intelligent Lighting Okay I just saw this other Dj company here in NY actually students and friends of mine.......They just got a pair of Martin Pro 218's .... I'm so jealous .......well they got ripped...$1500 per light! PLus the controller another $900. Well does anybody know where I can get these lights any cheaper, maybe like 1200-1300 per light? I know most raver/Djs don't own these lights but if your like me you've priced them at various outlets....... The light is sooo coool......It can give off a green beam that stobes all while the entire beam points anywhere you want it to.......ahhh druuuueellll........ SO if anybody has slobbered over a cheaper price tell me.... I figure I'm 4 months away from buying if I find a cheaper price. SO stay tuned for some cool house parties with intelligent lighting heh heh heh TOM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 12:45:32 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Sweeney Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Sweeney Subject: House party in Philly At SMIV, some guy (i forgot his name) gave me a flyer for a house party in Philly that was gonna be "really underground". The event is called something like "Sex" and the Dj's are Dj Pierre, Dj Duke, George, and Nigel Richards. IOf anyone is interested, mail me and i'll try to dig uo the flyer for ya. (btw, the party's gonna be like next weekend, i believe =). have fun kids! john! ---- john sweeney jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu binary sound(imprints) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 14:41:27 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: Intelligent Lighting you might try Pro Sound in California... or Sam Ash Music in NYC... or simply call up a nightclub that has good lighting, ans ask them where they got their lights. explain your predicament and they will probably be willing to help you out. glad to be of humble assistance 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 15:34:21 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Flyer Gripe! -Reply Hey I'm taking a poll after a couple weeks of running into ravers and them not knowing what Storm Rave was. Have you ever heard of Storm Rave? Have you ever attended a Storm Rave? If yes which ones? After I get my responses I'll tell everyone why I'm asking!(hint,hint) Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 16:09:56 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Daniel Alex Finkelstein Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Daniel Alex Finkelstein Subject: Re: Intelligent Lighting In-Reply-To: <199405021843.AA12130@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> On Mon, 2 May 1994 ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU wrote: > you might try Pro Sound in California... > or Sam Ash Music in NYC... > or simply call up a nightclub that has good lighting, ans ask them where > they got their lights. explain your predicament and they will probably be > willing to help you out. > > glad to be of humble assistance > > 1000 Actually, Sam Ash in NY doesn't have much in the way of intelligent lights -- intellabeams that sort of thing. If you look in the yellow pages under stage lighting or disco lighting, you'll eventually find someone (I can't remember who I got stuff from, but it was definitely from the phone book). Some average prices are -- in this case, for intellabeams -- $3400 for one to purchase, or $900 for four and a controller for rental for an evening. They'll also get hold of gyro-lights, and those new intellabeam things that seem to bend loops of light -- and whatever else you've seen. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 21:21:19 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Re: Flyer Gripe! On Sun, 1 May 1994, Mel-zo-rama wrote: > On teasers, they will have the name of the event...an info line not > necessarily near the event....some of the leading DJ's..who it's put on > by etc.....what don't they include [on MOST..not all] > > THE CITY IT'S IN! Sorry Mel, we were in a rush. And who is gonna turn up for the next Sundial? We have dropped the numbering scheme, I think everyone has forgotten which number we are on so now they are just all Sundial now. Dan Ps. Almost forgot, it is in College Park, MD. "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | anarchy@eng.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 21:23:55 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Sundial Okay folks, some Net Ravers (who, we do not know) are going to throw a small party at or around the University of Maryland, College Park. Here's the 411: sundial:.a.tribal.gathering time: friday.may.6.1994 (what.is.the.stardate.for.that?) DJs: tzeech aris aure dj.k rob gardner info-line: 301.314.7870 info.will.be.on.only.on.the.evening.of.the.event.after.5 net.info: will.be.posted.the.night.of.the.event who: a.free.party.by.e-nonymous Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | anarchy@eng.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 21:33:14 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: Re: Flyer Gripe! On Mon, 2 May 1994, danFREELove wrote: > Sorry Mel, we were in a rush. And who is gonna turn up for the next > Sundial? We have dropped the numbering scheme, I think everyone has > forgotten which number we are on so now they are just all Sundial now. Sorry Dan, I was actually tlaking about the Cynovial Fluid Flyer... [not just thme though, I've seen it a hundred times, I just always forgot to mention anything about it....] and you're right, because of the lack of knowledge of the Djs and Frankie Bones coming to Baltimore again [FINALLY] to spin at SM and Rave Called Scott being the next night...and such.... But no, was nothing about your micro-rave, I was griping about major events mostly.....sorry if you took it personally :( Melanie aka don't I know you from somewhere? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 22:13:42 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Sweeney Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Sweeney Subject: SEX info (most of it) bad news kids... as of now, the flyer can not be found. however..this much can be gleaned from my mind :: SEX DJ DUKE DJ PIERRE GEORGE NIGEL RICHARDS at the Nile in philly. *probably* friday. tickets $15 sorry for the disappointment, we'll keep looking. try and call the nile see if there's any info on it. john (knows he'll get beat up the next time he's seen by any netravers =) ---- john sweeney jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu binary sound(imprints) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 22:17:01 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: Hom..the first ov de veek Heya! Well, I had such an awesome weekend that I had to take of classes today cause I can't walk very well...dance till ya drop :) Love ya'll!!! Don't forget to get in your HOM entries for Phoenix, Rave Called Scott etc...in case you need or can offer rides!!! Melzie Baby :) **************************************************************************** EAST COAST HOM OF THE WEEK **************************************************************************** mail melzie@wam.umd.edu for changes and/or additions --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, May 6 GRAVITY 2 Harrisburg, PA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Smeddy smart bar smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 7 A RAVE CALLED SCOTT PA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Melzie [with cool friend from home :) ] melzie@wam.umd.edu DJ Panik [AFTER PARTY!!!] panik@access.netaxs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 7 MANTRAS Princeton U. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mars aka Marshal [SPINNIN'] mhv@cvnja.jazz.att.com Jennifer Smeddy smart bar smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 7 PHOENIX New York -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Baxter poo284@psilink.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 14th Rage Harrisburg, Pa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Smeddy smart bar smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Friday, May 20 THE AWAKENING Ashbury Park, NJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mars [SPINNIN!] a176@lehigh.edu Jenn-bug [Doin' Smart Bar!] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 21 MYSTERY MACHINE Allentown, PA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jenn-bug [Doin smart bar!] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, June 2 RAVE THE BAY Baltimore Harbor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allen Menegay escapist@owlnet.rice.edu Melzie melzie@wam.umd.edu Peekay pereira@seas.gwu.edu Bob Baxter p00284@psilink.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ August 28 ARIA North Carolina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jenn-Bug [Doin Smart Bar] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 22:31:33 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Selway Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Selway Subject: Re: UPPING THE ANTE!!! In-Reply-To: <199404241819.OAA09111@holmes.umd.edu>; from "ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU" at Apr 24, 94 2:19 pm I have an import remix version of Blackout. It's all original Lil' Louis - not Euro mixes. If you are interested, I'll trade, but I don't think you need to "lose" so much stuff for it. :) If you want the record, just reply with some of the titles you have for exchange so I can see what ya got and pick something. peace John Selway ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 22:51:52 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , KHERLIHY@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: KHERLIHY@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Subject: random question.. totally random question (sorry)... anyone on the list from oswego? you can respond personally so we don't waste any bandwidth on the list.. thanks. peace. later. <<>kyle<>> kherlihy@center.colgate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 00:16:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: for those who want a lesson... im fwding this for my boy dj snuggles (mike shum)...like he said, this is what its all about, so get down wid it...old skool stylee in effect. im sorry, but between the tracks on this tape and snuggles mixing, this one aint *no* joke... (begin fwd'd post) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >this tape will hopefully soon be available at an event near you and in >specialty shops. direct enquiries in e-mail either to myself or the man like >general browning (sti3@midway.uchicago.edu). > >this is the first tape released in the US with live mc'ing. i'll leave it up >to your discretion as to whether you think this is a good or bad thing :) > >finally this is an old skool tape. no letters saying how old this shit is, >because that's what it's meant to be... jungle 101... educational style yah? > > >CHICAGO HARDCORE AUTHORITY (CHA) presents: > >Jungle 101: Origin of da species > >Created by DJ Snuggles with MCs JJ Jellybean and General Browning > >Side A: Your side > >[01] MANIX - Feel real good [remix] (Reinforced) >[02] SONZ OF A LOOP DA LOOP ERA - Further out (Suburban Base) >[03] URBAN SHAKEDOWN featuring MICKY FINN - Bass shake (Urban Shakedown) >[04] ISOTONIK - Everywhere I go (FFRR) >[05] THE CRIMINAL MINDS - A vision of dread (White House) >[06] MANIX - Rainbow people (Reinforced) >[07] NEXUS AND BLOWBACK - Floor burn (F-Project) >[08] ACEN - Close your eyes [remix] (Production House) >[09] NRG - Feel the fury (Chill) >[10] NRG - Feel the fury [remix] (Chill) >[11] JUNGLE HOUSE CREW - Let me take you (Formation) >[12] 2 BAD MICE - Hold it down [remix] (Moving Shadow) >[13] SONZ OF A LOOP DA LOOP ERA - Freedomism (Suburban Base) >[14] MEGA 1 - What's going on (F-Project) >[15] URBAN SHAKEDOWN - Make it real (Urban Shakedown) >[16] THE CRIMINAL MINDS - Presence (White House) >[17] 2 BAD MICE - No respect (Moving Shadow) >[18] ALTERN 8 featuring EVELYN KING - Shame '92 (Network) >[19] 2 BAD MICE - 2 bad mice (Moving Shadow) >[20] DJ SEDUCTION - Hardcore heaven (FFRR) > >Side B: Our side > >[01] SL2 - On a ragga tip (XL) >[02] NU-MATIC - Hard times (XL) >[03] THE PRODIGY - Fire (XL) >[04] THE CRIMINAL MINDS - Baptized by dub (White House) >[05] PROJECT ONE - Roughneck (Rising High) >[06] THE CRIMINAL MINDS - The criminal (White House) >[07] 4HERO - Cookin up yah brain [remix] (Reinforced) >[08] PHUTURE ASSASSINS - Future sound [remix] (Suburban Base) >[09] 2 BAD MICE - Bombscare [remix] (Moving Shadow) >[10] DJ EQ - Total xstacy [remix] (Formation) >[11] YOLK - Bish bosh (Ruff Beats) >[12] DJ SEDUCTION - My own (Impact) >[13] MEGA 1 - Hard never soft (F-Project) >[14] DJ EDGE - Number 1 (Edge) >[15] MYSTERY MAN - DJ business (Fokus) >[16] KROME AND TIME - This sound is for the underground (Suburban Base) >[17] THE PRODIGY - Ruff in the jungle bizness (XL) > >big up to the entire nerave massive and maximum respect to the cru in 412 >holding it down , man like kingsize and the man like the method 1 commin >ruff in 94... > >mike - snuggles > > >-- > > -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 23:36:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: Re: weekends review (timewarp 2/3 + sm4) hi kids...i had typed this halfway thru when my system crashed so im sorta bummed, but this is basically what i thought...:) its just a shame that i was so tired afterwards and slept so much since the rave (after i got home) so excuse me for forgetting anything (esp re:music) ---------- i usually never do this, because by the time i get back and recover enuff to post, its the middle of the week already, but i have seen the reviews coming later and later in the week, so here goes...:) on fri nite i went to timewarp in allentown. me, damian (dieselBoy) and amy from pittsburgh got to allentown around 12...when we got there, some of our friends from pittsburgh (pgh) were yelling at us from out of the window...seems that they were slightly bored at that point... walked in, and saw a crowd of what seemed to be mainly younger (hs-18yr olds) kids, and a cpl of gangsta looking types...ok, so far no problem tho...:) there were 3 roooms, with the addition of the third room being a very pleasant surprise. it was a small theater with some chairs on platforms and a lots of black...very weird sounds were coming out of the speakers, but b/c it was so dark in there, you didnt know exactly where :) it was a trippers nitemare/dream (if u happen to condone that sort of thing and know how to handle your acid...;) respect to the djs in there, they did their job well... second room was the housey/tribal room...didnt spend too much time in there, it grooved in its own way, i only bopped in there around 5am tho when i heard bells of ny...:) wink (of course) did a good job in there, but i didnt stay because i knew hed be amzing the next nite in baltimore for sm4... main room...i liked jimmy crash's set (bordered on too hard but good) and james christian's (i have never heard him before and this may be unfair, but he sounded like he could have been any dj at red...good dj tho). dieselBoy had alot of people dancing during his set and the high point for me was when he dropped the new sonz of a loop da loop era on the unsuspecting allentown crowd (BREAKS! BREAKS! BREAKS!)...but for me, personally, my favorite set was definitely geoff-e's...:) heheh old skool happy breaks....ranged from trancey at first, to piano-y, to ragga at the end ("dont need your love" by dj red alert and mike slammer) :) i was *dead* and yet managed to dance up a storm (i think i even did a toe touch at one point...:) to the sounds he was pushing out of the speakers...i definitely big up my chest for this dj....'nuff respect. that party ended at 6am and its funny cause thats what id rate it as too...a 6. :) but i heard breaks and hung out with friends so for me *personally* i enjoyed it. after tw 2/3 in allentown, jypsi (who basically made this whole weekend possible for me- THANK YOU! :) and some friends and i trekked down to philly to hang out for the day before we headed out to bmore for sm4...we went to a friends house first and chilled out then took off for philly itself...:) SOUTH STREET IS AWESOME...:) yeah so what--i admit it was my first time there, its the perfect street to go out in various conditions and watch people or shop or eat if u have the munchies...;) we also bought our tix for sm4 at 611 in philly...that was nice and convenient and we didnt have to worry about them being sold out...whew! (unlike my experiences at sm3 where musicnow was sold out, and we went to the warehouse anyway...we got lucky and bought tix off of one of the parking lot attendants....at cost tho...:) after various delays, we finally headed out for balt. at like 9pm...i think we got to melzies at 11/11:30 and then to the rave (yes it was a *rave*) at like 12... walked in and wow...! huge space. great lights. hot as hell. (i normally sweat alot, but i went thru 3 shirts that nite, and thats excessive even for me) crowd? i dunno...id guess 800-1200 maybe but thats prolly on the shorter end of the guesstimate scale...it was the best party since resolution in my opinion. (in some ways it was better-you didnt have to walk as far to get from one place to the other) and in some ways it was worse (too hot, only one room, no real chillout) it had a totally diff feel to it than sm3 i think because it was a different location, like i said it reminded me of resolution (god ive gone to alot of parties so far this year) the music. well i chose to eat my candy in the car before i went in, and i guess thats what made me not hate lenny dee...:) altho i think that he did play non hardcore tracks towards the end of his set...those were nice... after lenny was who (im pretty sure) i really liked his selections...he had one of the best sets of the nite...so much of the music was amazing in terms of its energy, but that had alot to do with the crowd as well...dave trance came on next and played stuff that was a little harder edged and i enjoyed it too..so much so that i dont remember thinking..damn i wish scott henry was here, altho i do wish he had been...:) after these 2, came sameer...:) i have wanted to listen closely to one of his sets, but everytime i have been to a prty where he was spinning, i havent been able to hear him...maybe its just that arab thing, but i really liked his set...:) he started off with the song about "jacks house" and how jack had invented house, and the groove, and sliced bread too... i was going nuts in the back with the other kids from pgh...just smiling and blowing my whistle and getting smiles back. sameer once bordered too close on the line b/w progressive and deep house, but my boy straightened up and flew right the rest of his set, playing nice groovy, prog choons that were full of funky breaks...hmm, is this pattern of hip hop/funky breakdowns getting big? i hope so...:) some side notes...why is it everytime u have to get off the floor to get a drink, the dj has to play (pick one) the most amazing/classic/your favorite song? i mean seriously....i dont know how many times i would take ten steps to drink before i would drop, and then be forced to choose...and its not an easy decision to make, whether you are sober or not. :) then the man like josh wink hit the decks...i was sorta hoping to hear a nice trance set like i heard he spun at wiggle, but josh took one look at the place and said "i will unleash massive amounts of tribal upon these masses" and did *just* that...the song (female voice) "tribal music tribal music" summed it up pretty well for his set i thought...:) i had been dancing with the pgh cru in the back left most of the nite, but i had to join the bmore posse (respect! baltimore rocks the hardest!) in the back right side for the tail end of sameer and all of wink...:) thanks to whoever posted (mike?) about the speakers over there cutting in and out...i thought it may have been the earplugs i was wearing.....or something...huhuhuhuh ;) speaking of earplugs...TRY THEM! i used to look down on earplugs as something for wusses, something that real hardcore ravers (like me...:P) didnt resort to...but i tried them for the first time at sm4 and they are great! they only cut out the high end (which made my ears ring) and you still could feel *all* the bass--believe me i did...:) you can get like 10 pair for about $4 and its well worth it...youll see. wink as usual, took the room and molded it as if it were putty in his hands....he *flooded* the room with smoke (it was a huge room too) you couldnt see 5 feet in front of you where i was (away from the smoke machines) and he only kept the intellabeams on....again, great lites...:) the last hour and a half became a experience, it was a beautiful way to end up a weekend full of great music and great people. the surprise of the nite was at the end of josh's set...of all the songs a man like this has access to, he chose to end the party with a breaks track...:) (earlier that nite, sameer played another one, dj zeus...had a slow hip hop breakdown like bells of ny, but the vocal is "clap your hands, clap your hands") yes, josh closed with sonz of a loop da loop era...that is such an amazing track...big phat bass soaked beats kicking you in the face and you just want to take more of it in...:) remember? "BREAKS! BREAKS! BREAKS! goddamn that dj is so PRECISE!" *grin* are the borders b/w diff styles of music evolving? i hope so. i dont mean that i wish "xxxxx" was dead (house, gabber, etc) but that there is less looking down upon of one style by another's fans...much of the music we're hearing out there has a prog/trancey feel to it, with acid lines and slow funky breakbeat/hip hop breakdowns all thru it... my legs really felt like two sticks of jello at this point and i thought "ill just sit this one song out and get a drink of water" (i had heard the song before, and was enjoying sitting on the bass bins, feeling the power course up and down my body and infusing my being with bass) so i sat there, watching the other wikked dancers in the area and then the song came on, and i just sat on the speaker, pounding the bass out as it flowed thru my body and out my arms grinning like a lil kid...:) then i was sad to find the music stopping after the track (the nite from 12-4:30 went soo fast) and all the kids wandering around in the foggy darkness, after about 5-10 minutes, the lites came on and we headed out... we headed for the afterparty at cloudwatch w/o knowing where it was and after asking 6 different people how to get to federal and guilford sts, everyone in the car i was in is *CONVINCED* that the residents of baltimore are on some serious drugs 24/7...:) we finally got there tho at like 10 (??) and left when it was over and got back to pgh at 9pm. spiritual movement 4 was a great party. but i dont think it would work on a weekly basis. i dont want to be a naysayer, but a vibe isnt made simply by getting a site, some equipment and a few djs....theres somthing special about knowing what youre doing isnt gonna last, this goes back to temporary autonomous zones (for more on taz's check out hakim bey)...that what you are doing and where you are doing it is a suspension of the "normal rules" of society, and that you can let yourself go and discover yourself in this space. an example of this was the rumour that this was gonna be the last sm party...so people made an effort and came together under this assumption...having weekly sm parties wil ruin the "specialness" of them...itll be like, "who cares, ill just go next week" rather than what they are now... it will really drain alot of energy out of the area if people are given a tremendous show every week. one of the things that makes raves special is the fact that the location varies often...it wont feel like a rave at the same site week in and week out. im sorry to say this. but i think its true (i wish it wasnt). and if ravers are given too many good options, rather than pick and choose amongst them, they will (if able) go to everything. ravers (this is a generalisation) seem to be the all or nothing type...we're not good at moderation. i would suggest no more than monthly parties if anyone wants to do something on very regular basis and still expect it to be special. i am *sorry* this took so long. i should post more often in lil bits than doing it this way...i guess its that lack of moderation thing tho....:) well, ill see you all next week at a rave called scott in philly...:) come up and dance with me... peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc (g.l.h.) *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 00:55:30 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Awakening Cybertribe, Things are still in full swing for "Awakening" on Friday May 20th in Asbury Park, New Jersey. We've got Adam X, James Christian, Micro, Dave Trance, and Nigel Richards coming out for this one, plus some of our net friends will be spinning at the after-party as well. One thing I for got to mention before (for those of you who aren't familair with Jersey) is that Asbury Park is right on the Atlantic Ocean, and the venue is only 2 blocks from the beach, and the after party one block from the beach, and following that, we're having a beach chill-out party. Think how phat it will be to be able to go crash on the beach after a long night of raving with all your brothers and sisters? We think the party will be great. Flyers will be out this week so look for them this weekend at A Rave Called Scott, Pheonix, Bliss, Feel It, and Antedote... I'll post more later, but I hope that you all can make it out!!! Peace, Mars ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 01:01:03 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: new release of mine update 05.03.94 just to keep you all posted: i've got a cd coming out on june 15th called SETI. it's a collaboration project with savvas from Omicron (instinct) and my cousin, who outlined the concept for us and wrote some fiction for the cd insert. it's a 57 minute long ambient piece that i'd categorize under SUPER_CHILL. very minimal mostly.. good to sleep to. the story that comes with the cd really augments the listening experience (imho) check it out. you can get it direct from instinct for $15 or from tower or any other store like that... any questions or anything.. ask away.. and, if you buy it.. feedback is always nice peace >>taylor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 02:00:48 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: last call for NETherworld (net musicians read this!) ok, first a recap: as many of you already know, this summer i am attempting to compile a tape of net-musicians, called NETherworld (clever, eh?) well, time is running out for all of you musical geniouses to send in your contributions. ALL CONTRUBUTIONS MUST BE POSTMARKED BY JUNE 1, 1994 TO BE CONSIDERED! note that i moved the original date (may 15) back a couple weeks, so hopefully this will give you some extra time. also note that at this point i'm not asking for cd-quality fully produced copies....all i need is a cassette demo of your stuff so i can start selecting what will appear on the final tape. any musical style, as long as it fits into the "techno" mold is acceptible: whether it be house, breaks, gabber, trance, ambient, whatever....all i ask is that the song is no longer than 6.5 minutes or so (if longer, the only way ill consider it is if its incredibly good....we only have so much space) i only have the addresses for ne, se, and dcraves....if someone could forward this to some of the other lists i'd be grateful so....looking forward to hearing your stuff....remember, JUNE 1 is the cutoff date....get those tapes to me! -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 02:06:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: NETherworld address oooops, forgot to tell you where to send the damn tapes to....duh :) anyway, send all tapes to: NETherworld c/o Jason Leder 112 Woodlane Ct. Glassboro, NJ 08028 remember, tapes must be postmarked no later than june 1 -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 08:41:53 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: BeccaMD moving and stuff..: hi becca, congratulations on finishing and getting into grad shool! i just thought i'd let you and our fellow travelers know that my sister has a store in sacramento called "now and again". she used to do the "toon town" parties when they were first running in sf, and the kids in her store, if they're still around, organized bus trips and stuff to the big parties. at that time, they weren't on the net and when i was on sf-raves i don't recall much sac/davis action, so this might be a worthwhile connection. oh yeah, my sister's name is gracie. good luck and have fun. peace, brendan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 09:27:38 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Thomas C Noe Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Thomas C Noe Subject: Re: Intelligent Lighting In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 02 May 1994 14:41:27 -0400 No I know those places all to well......I can find cheaper prices in each and ever product they carry.....Sam Ash here in NYC is like a rep..... "OH YEAH .....I"M COOL I BOUGHT IT AT SAM ASH".........Those places do so much business that they don't discount at all TOM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 09:48:16 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Intellegent Lighting Like with buying anything, price isn't everything. I've been in the lighting business for a while (20 years), and I have a few vendors that have consistantly done well by me. However, I'm NYCcentric. You can probably find vendors in other places that might have better prices. Also, pick up a copy of Lighting Dimensions, they have ads for _all_ the major manufacturers. In NYC: Universe Stage Lighting Big Apple Lights Both of which are in the phone book Laser Systems, NA (Gyro lights) Seth Langer (201-432-6832 You might want to ask Scotto, he is _very_ connected to the lighting companies (212)-941-9393. Good hunting woof ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 10:28:38 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Subject: Rom & reviews.. HEY! can someone that is on ne-raves send me the rave-o-matic and any great reviews since I can not seem to subscribe to neraves... Thanks Jennifer Smeddy jenn-bug ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 10:54:10 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Colby Newton Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Colby Newton Subject: subscribe ne-raves Christopher C. Newton subscribe ne-raves Christopher C. Newton send info I would like to get a part of your mailing list please... I throw parties down in Pittsburgh,and am interested in posting my events as well as communicating with others in my area's scene.... thanks a lot. CHRISTOPHER C. NEWTON (HANNIBAL@ THE FOOD GROUP PRODUCTIONS) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 11:40:03 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Daniel Alex Finkelstein Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Daniel Alex Finkelstein Subject: Re: Intelligent Lighting In-Reply-To: <199405031334.AA07609@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> > No I know those places all to well......I can find cheaper prices in each and > > ever product they carry.....Sam Ash here in NYC is like a rep..... > "OH YEAH .....I"M COOL I BOUGHT IT AT SAM ASH".........Those places do so > much business that they don't discount at all > TOM Absolutely -- Sam Ash is like the WORST place to get anything, not just lights. There's a lot of cheaper places out there -- I'm starting to remember two places now -- I think one is in the Bronx and another in Queens. They do job by job, so the prices are much more reasonable and you can drive the price down with a little bargaining, too. I don't think Manny's does anything like that, though, but they're cool -DAN ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 13:14:32 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: GOA Goes To Oz??????? Hey Gang, This just came over the Oz Rave mailing list and seemed kinda interesting: Jamie sez: >Pop (the fabled hairdresser up here) told me that a few Goan DJ type >dudes are buying land up here on the North Coast in the hills behind >Mullumbimby to settle here permanently. It seems the Goa situation is >getting worse all the time and the vibe has gone, and some of them have >decided to try and move over to my part of the world and try and get the >same thing happening up here. >hahahahaha! Sucked in to all you dudes in Sydney! :) >Anyway, it seems there should be more of the same. This one went well >into the morning, and I am told dancing to that bassy dubby Goa sound in >a rainforst as the some comes up, t'ing off yer face is something to behold. So - from this it seems that GOA is slowly dying - or at least is dying to the ideals held by those who originally set it up - and that some of them are moving to the back lands in Oz. Not desert there, as you may have guessed, but lush tropical forest and such. Could this be true? I can only hope - this would be a *good thing(tm)* if it happened as I hope to be back in Oz around 1998 for the 1999 & 2000 New Years Eve bashes AND the Sydney 2000 Olympics. Man, the parties that are gonna happen then.... :) Grant Most Quoted Oz-Raver Line In History: "we are not conforming to the social ideal of non conformity" - VicZ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 15:22:58 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , e boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: e boy Subject: one step, two steps... getting closer.... ravers, get ready... today was my long anticipated meeting with the city building inspector and the fire marshall at a WAREHOUSE! in baltimore. the building inspector loved it! the fire marshall took one look at the place and said "you've been doing your homework!" my friends, i think we may be on to something here! i told you before how nice the place was. as the fire marshall calculated the square footage (38,000) and cross referenced it with the exits (7 of them), he shook his head and smirked a little. "how many people?", i asked. " i don't even want to tell you," he joked. he really didn't tell us until the end of our meeting, but when he finally decided to end our obvious suspense, he said he'd give us a capacity sticker of... 3 0 0 0 ! ! ! that's THREE THOUSAND! three thousand. YAY! :) JOY! HAPPINESS! ultraworld is back! finally! some things are worth the wait and i promise we'll do everything we can to make this our best party yet. the only point now is working out an adequate deal with the building owner. tentative date - JULY 2, 1994 in other words, this year we celebrate our independence in baltimore! i'm even thinking we'll have a follow up party on the 4th of july as well, in the same space. maybe even free with a "glow" ticket stub (or at least a very minimal cover to pay for the sound, lights, and dj's) so more on that later, please try to buy your rave the bay ticket asap, we need to pay off the rest of the boat next week. peace out, rave on! lonnie ( ...starting to love life once again!) oh and one final note, i also found out this week, that we may be getting the same "wild" campground for "Ultraworld in the Jungle Groove"! so how do ya like that! this summer is going to be awesome. but like hossam said, save yourself for the best stuff, don't burn out on the toxic waste. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 15:44:02 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Subject: ok i really need your address... Alright.... the time has come again when i am leaving school and heading home to Philly. With this great news there is also sad news...no more net connection til August :( So here is what I was thinking... If ANYONE (this means you, yes you) would like to give me their phone number and address it would be greatly appreciated :) :) :) :) Here is my info if you are interested... 215.998.9650 (voice mail/info line) 1.800.374.4434 ext 20051 (voice mail/smart bar) if ya want my address e-mail me and I'll get it out to ya! Also, if anyone is going to Antedote in Harrisburg Pa on friday come up and say hi to the bug at the bar :) or look for mars and jenn handing out AWAKENING flyers out at a Rave Called Scott on saturday. Would it be cool to make an Ne/DC raves poster for all of us to meet at? Peace, Jennifer Smeddy jenn-bug ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:16:11 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Marshal H. Villarosa" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Marshal H. Villarosa" Subject: INFO: Foundation Outlaw on Friday... Cybertribe, There will be a Foundation Outlaw party in Brooklyn, NY, on Friday night. Wow, tons of events now (Feel It in Philly, Antedote in Harrisburg, Empire State in NYC). DJs spinning at this Outlaw: Adam X, Tera, Heather Heart, Jimmy Crash, Brian Walters, Denard, and Reade Jimmy Crash is getting the spot which will be outdoors. Sunshine from Foundation (and Tera's Girlfriend) said that Jimmy's used the spot for parties before, but she didn't know where it was. You can call her info line at: 718.361.3233 and get the rest of the lowdown... Peace, Mars p.s. I'll be at Antedote in Harrisburg, PA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:20:14 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , djentox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Skreem Time Y'all! Hey Netters, Well, it's that time again.. The Skreem is ready to print and to anyone who is interested grabbing a copy, this is all you have to do: 1. Grab 2 envelopes 2. Address one envelope to yourself and include either a .53 cent stamp or 2X29 cent stamps 3. Stuff it in the other envelope.. 4. address that envelope to : THE SKREEM PO Box 186 Hampton, NH 03843 <------new zip code and soon, a brand spanking new issue of the Skreem will be in yer posession! And, not to whine, but no one has subscribed yet! =( It's 10 bucks for a year or 5 bucks for half year.. If you want to contribute to the June/July issue, please email me! I'm looking for anything you can offer.. =) Peace! DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:49:46 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: one step, two steps... YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ultraworld is back!!! i'll gladly be there! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:26:20 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Re: Awakening The Edge wrote about the Awakening, saying... > >Sorry to bug everyone again, but how would one go about getting >flyers for this event. The timing is perfect, right after finals, >and it would be a GREAT place to blow off some steam. My question >is does one have to go around and get flyers to this in order >to actually get into Awakening on May 20th, and can someone just >show up on the 20th and party? > >THe EDge(that ignorantfool) > A couple of DC-Ravers will be helping with the promotion for "Awakening," and will have flyers at the end of this week. But you don't need a flyer to get in, all you have to bring is yourself and an open mind... The location and directions for "AWAKENING" will be announced over the info line: 908.502.0660, on the net: ne-raves and dcraves, and at the ticket outlets: 611, Planet X, Groove, and Vintage Vinyl. One other thing, is anyone interested in ordering tickets by mail? If you'd like to do that, write me and I'll we'll discuss how to do that. (The reason we didn't use ticket outlets in DC/Balt area or in upstate NY was because we have never sold tickets though outlets before, and weren't too sure about how to best work that out.) Peace, Mars a176@lehigh.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:51:12 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: Skreem Time Y'all! In-Reply-To: <199405032020.QAA26317@holmes.umd.edu> from "NE-RAVES@UMDD.UMD.EDU" at May 3, 94 04:20:14 pm What kind af contributions are ya lookin' for for Skreem?pictures?drawings?writings? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:42:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: new release of mine is SETI the Search for Extra Terrestial Intelligence? jusswonderin' "UFOs..... are real" -MC 900 ft Jesus 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 17:04:34 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: sadness, yet a glimmer of hope ok.... :( it turns out that i'm going to postpone SIMPLE, i'm pissed, yet hear me out... i planned this event to take off at the perfect venue, there was no problem... the backup location was my own house... no problem and that insured that the event would take place. the problem is in three parts. next year i am living in a Computerized Res. Hall, that means that I'll have a computer in my room hooked into the Vax 24 hours a day, so you'll be able to e-mail me instantly, and i'll respond instantly. what's the problem??? the extra cost for the hall I have to pay for ... $220, part of that money was for SIMPLE.... and.... i have to pay insuarnce on the rave-mobile (1983 Renault Alliance)... $900... i will not be home during the essential planning time... the event was set to go off on the first weekend in August, oh, well... I WILL NOT CANCEL THE EVENT ALTOGETHER!!!!! what i will do is keep all the names of the DJs and keyboardists and helpers for future reference. SIMPLE will probably go off this fall during a time that we all find convenient. i am simple postponing the event for now, I'll never let any raver down. any good news? i WILL be in NYC this summer... ffrr records and HOT 97 FM ar battling over me for an internship.... i know what you're thinking, but it looks good on a resume :) in either case i will be in NYC living on either West 106th or West 111th street, when I know for sure i will post the info. this year has gone fine for radio... all those who sent me mix tapes got airplay and full credit... the audience reception was incredible! next year we will blow up! loads more techno! here's my snail mailer.... visit me some time :) Obin Robinson "1000" 157 West 1st Street Corning, NY 14830-2542 private e-mail for my tel # if you want it :) and as far as the CDs are going.... after the person that has the Blackout (found one) picks his... the othere s will be up for grabs again! rave on! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 17:11:50 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: ear protection here's some health info... last weekend i bought a pair of Beretta U.S.A. baffles for ear protection against firearms, rated at 29dB of loudness attenuation. on Sunday, i worked at the concert here for Jeru, Murphy's Law, Junkhouse, and some more alternative acts. i did security as a "roamer" so i needed to go by the speakers every so often. at first everyone said "what the hell do you have those for"..... 6 hours later it was "can i borrow those again please?".... these suckers kill most noise from the outside world, i recommend them highly for clubbers and hardcore kids to wear. i like to FEEEEEEl the bass, but i also treasure my health and hearing. i suffered no "ringing" or TSH effects from the concert, and everyone else did...... that's good for me 10 years down the road. PLEASE!!!! wear hearing protection at all costs! if you get cool ones, then it even looks sorta trendy in the anti-fashion mode. peace thru superior technology... and a better way of life through chemistry :) 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 17:27:48 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Re: ok i really need your address... Jennifer, My address is: Marshal Villarosa 975 Utah Dr. Toms River, NJ 08753 My phone numbers: Page-mail: 908.724.9711 Office: 908.615.2589 Home: 908.506.0182 Rave Line: 908.506.9592 Hope you have a good summer! hope to see you out at some raves! Bye, Mars a176@lehigh.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 17:57:38 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Re: one step, two steps... >the building inspector loved it! the fire marshall took one look at the >place and said "you've been doing your homework!" my friends, i think we >may be on to something here! This is good news and I'm really hoping for a good run - you guys need / deserve it :) From some experience with raving in Sydney tho, if someone's out to get you, they will. Most of the time it's other promoters who do / organize the torpedoing and that sux worse than the cops / politicians deciding that ravers are "unsavoury" and the party must not occur. Perhaps the best thing you could do, even though it costs a bit more, is to hire on a lawyer to check *all* the legalities and loopholes of the area the rave will be in. Prodigy 5 in Sydney got a couple of solicitors to do some studies and turned up a few loop holes which they duly paid for and plugged. They also had one or two on site during the even itself so when the cops turned up, there was nothing legally that could be done to shut the thing down. They ( apparently ) had a couple of video cameras on hand to tape the any confrontations 'just in case' - nothing the cops hate more than video evidence, especially over here these days :) Suffice it to say, Prodigy 5 was the biggest thing to hit Sydney over Easter, got a *huge* turn out of people 'cos the promotors were trusted all ready AND let people know that they had hired the lawyers so people were ensured of a good, non-interrupted party. Hell, the promotors even made money :) Can you guys afford this? It's worth it - it doesn't take much for the cops / politicians / bureaucrats to kill something if they don't want it or have been paid enough by someone else to not want it... I'm looking forward to this one ( if I'm around to do it - lots of bouncing all over the planet occurring so I never know where I'll be :) so good luck. Grant Most Quoted Oz-Raver Line In History: "we are not conforming to the social ideal of non conformity" - VicZ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 17:36:42 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Re: ok i really need your address... Cybertribe, Hee hee hee...I think most of you know that Jenn-bug is my girlfriend, but I always think it's a riot when people send private mail to the list. That last post is good for all of you leaving the net in the near future as well as where you can send any flyers for upcoming events in your area, mix tapes or demo tapes, and personal mail as well. To all of you as finals are coming up...Good luck!!! None for me this year (yipee!). For those of you who are graduating, congratulations!!! you finally made it, and you get to join me in the real world (unless you're copping out and going to grad school :P ). It's going to be a fun summer of raving...I can feel it. Peace! Mars ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 18:13:56 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: !!FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ... .FAQ!! !!FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ!! !!welcome to ne-raves!! your internet connection to the world of raving :) (this sheet incorporates comments through may 1) (send me stuff you want added, listed, corrected, etc) -------------------------------------------------------------------- I. Intro II. Basic Sign-Off & Calendar-Only Instructions and Net Etiquette III. ne-raves List Services IV. the Internet Guide V. More rave or *related* lists VI. Music A. Labels B. Radio Shows VII. Music Stores VIII. Support your Tribe: Artists, DJ's, Promoters, Zines & Smart Bars IX. Acronymns X. Web Sheets XI. List Admin Acknowledgements -------------------------------------------------------------------- I. Intro This is a bi-weekly frequently asked question (FAQ) sheet. This will be a brief intro to our list and a pointer to other information you might want. if you have something to add, send me a message at mcdougal@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu. if you'd like to manage a section, e.g. record labels, rave lists, then send me a note stating the section you want to manage. i'll place your e-mail address at that section of the faq sheet as the appropriate contact. congratulations on finding this list. you are part of something special--a cybertribe. we are comprised of people who were around when the list was started out of mit in may 92 and of people who joined more recently. as you may well guess, time diversity and a net conncection is only the smallest facet of our profile. we are artists, scientists, musicians and people who still have to decide who they are. the common thread here is that we love raving and we're invested in the scene in some way--promoting, producing, creating or experiencing. -------------------------------------------------------------------- II. Basic Sign-Off & Calendar-Only Instructions and Net Etiquette to leave this list, send mail to "listserv@umdd.umd.edu". put only the following text in the message body: "signoff neraves". you already receive the ne-raves calendar as part of your list subscription. if you want to leave the list and still receive the calendar, leave the list as described earlier and send mail to "majordomo@techno.stanford.edu". put only the following text in the message body: "subscribe ne-raves-calendar". now for a little net etiquette (netiquette). we do become polarized on issues and dialog is important for growth and understanding. needless flaming is unacceptable as well as boorish grandstanding. finally, this is a an advertisement free list. however we appreciate a good, fair offer of goods and services from time to time. if you have something to offer that is not already listed in a faq sheet, go ahead and make the post. if its out of bounds we'll let you know. too, if description is too long, just state the gist of your offering and ask people to respond directly to you for more info. for example, letting the list know that half your record collection is for sale is better than itemizing your catalog. -------------------------------------------------------------------- III. ne-raves List Services the rave-o-matic (ROM) is the weekly rave calendar maintained by inhuman and published on this list. if you have flyer/event info, you may mail that information to michael. he'll add it to the ROM. melzie maintains the hook-o-matic (HOM). if you're going to an event, need a ride to an event or whatever, send a message to melzie. she'll add your info to the HOM which is published weekly on this list. jetta maintains the birthday-o-matic (BOoM). if you're going to have a birthday this year, let jetta know. she maintains a list of birthday's by month which is distributed to the list. hopefully, on your b-day, the tribe will remember to send you b-day wishes & stuff (nobody remembered mine; i must be hated :( ) the hook-o-matic address is melzie@WAM.UMD.EDU the rave-o-matic address is inhuman+@CMU.EDU the bithday-o-matic address is vwang@lucy.wellesley.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- IV. the Internet Guide Machine Media <0005995336@mcimail.com> will manage this. his faq sheet will contain information on vrave, file transfer protocol (FTP) and sites, internet relay chat (IRC), wide area information service (WAIS), WEB, image transfer/viewing, gopher, etc. -------------------------------------------------------------------- V. More rave or *related* lists Below are addresses for other rave related lists. typically there are two types of list. the discriminator is the level of list automation. in case one, a person-the list admin--manages the list. in case two, software manages the list with some degree of list admin support. case one: sometimes the list admin has written original code to handle subscription requests and in other cases the list admin deals directly with subscription requests. you may send your subscription request to the following addresses, but keep the verbiage to a minimum, e.g. your message text could say "subscribe . too, give the list admin some time to handle your request. subscription address (list region) -------------------------------------- ausraves-request@lsupoz.apana.org.au (australian list) dcraves-request@american.edu (washington, dc list) detroit@freenet.fsu.edu (detroit) mw-raves-request@engin.umich.edu (mid-west list) nw-raves-request@wimsey.bc.ca (north west list) pb-cle-raves-request@telerama.pgh.pa.us (pittsburgh-cleveland list) seraves-request@american.edu (south east list) socal-raves-request@ucsd.edu (southern calif. list) v-raves-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu (v-rave list) case two: the list admin is using code which automates most list overhead. in this case, you must send all your requests to the subscription address. send a help request to the subscription address for server details (only the word "help" in the message body). if your adventurous, try the following formula in the message body: "subscribe ". you should only send info/help/subscribe requests to the list as a LAST resort. subscription address list address (list name) (list purpose or region) ------------------------------------------------ listserv@american.edu seraves@american.edu (seraves) (south east list) listserv@american.edu dcraves@american.edu (dcraves) (washington, dc list) listproc@dhp.com bpm@dhp.com (bpm) (dj list) listserv@orbital.demon.co.uk uk-dance@orbital.demon.co.uk (uk-dance) (british list) majordomo@xmission.com mtnraves@xmission.com (Mountainstates--CO, Utah, NM) listserv@umdd.umd.edu ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu (ne-raves) (new england) majordomo@techno.stanford.edu sfraves@techno.stanford.edu (sfraves) (bayarea--nothern calif. list) -------------------------------------------------------------------- VI. Music A. Labels techno is an evanescent scene, so to recommend a particular collaboration is foolhardy and to recommend an artist is unfair to all the others. i think the better bet is to pay attention to labels. try the following labels with the caveat that the sub-genres are as myriad as the artists, i.e. this is not complete. acid---------------->EXperimental, diatomic, chocci's choons, peace frog, labworks, +8, accelerate, DJAX ambient------------->caroline, fax, instinct, recycle or die, apollo, silent, after 6 am, recycle or die breakbeat----------->suburban base, reinforced, moving shadow, white house, knite force, rey-D, production house gabberhouse--------->Drop Bass Network, Rotterdam Records, knor, bonzai hard-core----------->fax, mokum, vortex, delerium brooklyn hard-core-->Industrial Strength Records house--------------->Strictly Rhythm, inner city, peace frog, nervous, eight ball, junior boy's own, tomato, tribal, murk, arctic, nation, emotive progressive--------->stress, zoe magick, exist dance, sabres of paradise, limbo, guerrilla, soma, sorted, skunk, hard hands, see saw,Freaky Deaky, Warp, hardkiss trance-------------->rising high, eye-q, fax, +8, direct drive, tension, instinct, EXperimental, R&S, warp sabres of paradise, basic channel hard trance--------->harthouse, fax, harthouse, , esp, B. Radio Shows city | station | dj | day | time boston | wbrs 100.1fm | haZard | wed | 2am-6am -------------------------------------------------------------------- VII. Music Stores A. USA Boston Beat - boston/east boston 617.247.2428 Planet X Music - new brunswick, nj 908.249.0304 Vintage Vinyl - eatontown, nj 908.517.0990 611 Records - philly, pa 215.413.9100 Groove Records - brooklyn, ny 718.714.5232 Modern Music - baltimore, md Musicnow Records - dc 202.638.1213 Subtopia (Liquid Sky) - nyc 212.431.6718 Disc-O-Rama - nyc 212.206.8417 VinylMania - nyc 212.924.3309 Eight Ball - nyc 212.473.6343 Dance Trax - nyc 212.260.8729 B. London Unity (Beak Street - Soho) BlackMarket (D'Arblay Street - Soho) Lucky Spinn (KIngs Road - Chelsea) C. Paris BPM (12, Rue Taillandiers) Rough Trade (Rue Cabronne) TSF (Rue des Taillanders) -------------------------------------------------------------------- VIII. Support your Tribe ARTISTS: Prototype909--->Instinct Label; taylor deupree at t808@PHANTOM.COM, jason at BPMF@DELPHI.COM, and dietrich at 1.8.7---------->to be signed; joe le sense at raver909@TELERAMA.LM.COM DJ'S: send me your info if you'd like to listed: hazard | brendan | acidy stuff | boston | mcdougal@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu oz | oz | acid | boston | ol@berry.cc.brandeis.edu andy | andy | acid/breaks | florida | djagh@aol.com diesel | damian | breaks | pittsburgh| damian@CISLABS.PITT.EDU fresh blend| Matt| hardcore | | ST000912@BROWNVM.BITNET laura | laura | acid/hard | sf | laura@soda.berkeley.edu speed demon | | hard acid | | vkuperma@MASON1.GMU.EDU will-e | will | progressive | nyc | will@panix.com PROMOTORS: send me your info if you'd like to listed: haZard promotions-------->boston; 617.499.1996 mcdougal@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu John G------------------>dc; jgoldman@tmn.com Caffeine----------------->long island; spam; sashay@phantom.com mobile groove posse------>pittsburgh; inhuman; NASA--------------------->nyc; david wolfe; woof@panix.com Outer Space Productions-->new jersey; 908.506.9592, mars, a176@lehigh.edu trance fused------------->richmond, va; derek tiffany ultraworld--------------->DC; lonnie, ultraworld@AOL.COM ZINES: zine--------------->geo/ source/ e-mail base10------------->NJ; spike; btwelve@aol.com skreem------------->NH; dj entox; djentox@aol.com slurp!------------->PA; slurpraves@aol.com under one sky------>NYC; heather heart; 718.714.5232 wetware------------>NH; mark & rachel; rachelw@CHRISTA.UNH.EDU zoom--------------->PA; Jenn-bug; smed8781@ACAD.CSV.KUTZTOWN.EDU SMART BARS: liquid technology-->pa; Jenn-bug smed8781@ACAD.CSV.KUTZTOWN.EDU trilobite project-->ny; peppermint patty; 518.374.7925, 518.439.2904 peppermint@delphi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- IX. Acronymns: ROAR: right of admission reserved ROTFL: rolling on the floor laughing IMHO: in my humble opinion PLUR: peace love unity respect Re: in response to /H: hugs /S: smooches -------------------------------------------------------------------- X. Web Sheets for now, for those who know. later on Hank Hughes will flesh out this section. http://rg.media.mit.edu/RG/RG.html http://www.tecc.co.uk/public/tqm/uk-dance/ http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/USER/ol/home.html -------------------------------------------------------------------- XI. List Admin Acknowledgements Much thanks go to: John Adams--founding list admin,__________,Brian Behlendorf, and Dan "Free"Love for keeping this list alive. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Content Editing: mars, terence, laura, dan, will-e, casper, derek, john, machine media ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 18:25:13 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , WILL-E Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: WILL-E Subject: Re: ear protection >6 hours later it was "can i borrow those again please?".... you should never share your ear plugs as you can pass on some nasties. I know someone who picked up an ear infection this way. Not only that but if you use the re-usable rubber kind, you should clean them after any extended use. They normally come with directions on how to do this. You can give yourself nasty ear trouble by pushing the wax around. If you have the foam kind, then dispose of them after use. I've heard of people having bad reactions to these though. just some more ear protection info. ___ / / / / / / _ __/ (_/__/ / (__ (__ ___/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 18:26:17 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rishad J Quazi Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rishad J Quazi Subject: Re: ok i really need your address... In-Reply-To: <199405031943.PAA25853@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Jennifer J. Smeddy" at May 3, 94 3:44 pm hi jenn, it's rishad/fish. here's my info for the summer (and the rest of eternity i suppose, until further notice :) -- Rishad Quazi Apt 11A, 40 Piedmont Drive Port Jefferson Station NY 11776 tel: 516.331.5369 (home) 516.584.8143 (work) Peace, and drop by and chill if you are on Long Island this summer :) Laters, FiSH ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 18:44:25 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Vanessa Wang Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Vanessa Wang Subject: QUEST (for Boston area people) As some of you already know, the club "Quest" (a club called quest...) at 1270 Boylston Street in Boston, MA, has been having "BUTTER" on Tuesday nights, with DJs Debo and Tim Ryan spinning funky house upstairs and local djs Reload and Redboy spinning hard acid downstairs. Due to the number of people who have been showing up and then leaving by 1am from the *downstairs* arena, the managers are considering closing the place down. So please, if you are at all interested, please go to Quest tonight to keep hard acid in the Boston club scene. (Open Tuesdays nights from 10pm-2am. Right behind the Fenway, near Lansdowne St.) Thanks-- Jetta. -- \ / I sound my barbaric yawp over the roofs of the world... \ / \/ \ /\ / Wear a smile and have friends. What do we live for if \ / \ / not to make the world less difficult for each other? \/ \/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 18:55:41 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Oz Lubling Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Oz Lubling Subject: GOODBYE TO BOSTON! hi everyone! as you can tell from the subject of my message, I'm finally leaving Boston. I can't believe it myself. I'm finally graduating from Brandeis. All I have to say is that it's been a great 5 years here in Mass. I met so many great, wonderful and interesting people out here. You know who you are. thank you all. I've also gone to some great events in the area, like BLUE, YELLOW, MINOR INFRACTION and BLISSS and a raving good time. Boston has it's ups and downs. Being a city that is mostly ruled by one genre of dance music (i.e. prog. house), it's been kind of funny for me being here for that long, since it's not really my favorite stuff. But the clubs and the whole scene is actually going through a transformation right as we speak. And clubs like Axis, Quest, etc. are getting more variety of music. For all of you that feel like I do here, hold on for a few months or maybe a year and you'll see things hopefully change. As for the summer, I agree with MARS. I have a feeling it's going to be a very nice rave filled summer. Something to note is the New Music Seminar in New York City that will be happening the week of JULY 19-23.. This always attracts lots of international djs and acts to the nyc area and that week is promised to be an enormous party week. Last year, there were 3 parties every night, with the likes of Sven Vath, Laurent Garnier, Dave Angel spinning at many of them, among other names. This year could be a repeat of that. So keep you eyes wide open. BOSTON and MASS people take notice to this. On Friday May 20, I'm trying to organize some kind of get-together for all of us from this area 'cause I'd like to say goodbye to you all. It will be something like meeting up somewhere in boston and going to Axis and The loft or somehting like that. If anyone has suggestions where do meet or how to organize this, please email me. I will still be around the ny/nj this summer and I can still be reached at this account. take care and to all you mass people: keep partying, oz ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 18:59:22 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: Re: new release of mine In-Reply-To: <199405032055.QAA26719@holmes.umd.edu> ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU writes: > is SETI > the Search for Extra Terrestial Intelligence? > > jusswonderin' > > "UFOs..... are real" > -MC 900 ft Jesus > > 1000 > sure is... >>taylor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 19:08:05 EST Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Nathan_Tableman@VOYAGER.UMERES.MAINE.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Nathan_Tableman@VOYAGER.UMERES.MAINE.EDU Organization: MacAct, University of Maine Subject: Re: GOODBYE TO BOSTON! well, I have never really met you but I would be interested in somthing in Boston on the 20th C.Kane ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 21:56:00 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BEN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: BEN Subject: this Fri in Boston. . . nefriends, I'm heading out the 11th, next fri. I wanna see ppl this fri at axis and the loft. I've had a ruthless semester and really met few of you. So does anyone want to go axis or the loft this Fri? I will try and check out Butter before I leave but I don't know. Come help me convince a skeptical ole chummy of mine to move to Boston. He is flying in Fri to visit me. I'll be there with a massive entourage of neat ppl. I've gotta pick up my friend at 9pm so I don't know how a pre-axis/loft thing would work. . . Thanks for all the help guys. 's been real blast. stay friendly and open. Next year will be *swank*. ;) made a grand noise, eco/kodomo ps. Mail me and let me know if you're interested. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 22:08:16 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Gregor Lawrence Hoffman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Gregor Lawrence Hoffman Subject: Re: one step, two steps... Congratulations and halle-fucking-lujah! I may be living in ME this summer...hopefully i will be able to sojourn back to camp UW... Is the GLOW theme still in effect? Consider this, if it is: DEEP THOUGHTS by Jack Handy If the Vikings were around today, they would probably be amazed at how much glow-in-the-dark stuff we have, and how we take so much of it for granted. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 23:43:14 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Gregor Lawrence Hoffman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Gregor Lawrence Hoffman Subject: Re: one step, two steps... QUIZ TIME ok kids of all ages creeds styles and persuasions, here is a little something i just discovered on a packet of Instant Quaker Oatmeal (Artificial Peaches & Cream Flavors) The packets all have a bit of info/trivia under a WHAT'S HOT? theme and this one read: Hot Clothes: Some of these are rave fashions, which one is not? A. Hooded shirts B. Extra-long shorts C. Flared pants D. Tuxedo there was the answer on the the reverse side of the packet: D. The idea is to look cool not look like a monkey! well i for one am glad corporate america is catching up with the rave community and helping inform the clueless...and i almost bought a tux today!!!! I thought tuxes gave ya the cool "penguin" look not the simian.... i think i'll concoct some freelance questions of my own and hopefully sell them to the Quaker Oats Co. and thus fund the fun! HMMMMM what's hot? Some of these are rave enhancers, which one is not? A.phat and zany mixes B. positive & enthusiastic attitudes C. outlandish kinetic movements D. Sketchtasy Remember a quiz a day keeps ignorance at bay. ^ ^ @ @ U O .............peachesandcreamanddrummachinedrivenbeats! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 23:44:51 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Gregor Lawrence Hoffman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Gregor Lawrence Hoffman Subject: QUIZ TIME ok kids of all ages creeds styles and persuasions, here is a little something i just discovered on a packet of Instant Quaker Oatmeal (Artificial Peaches & Cream Flavors) The packets all have a bit of info/trivia under a WHAT'S HOT? theme and this one read: Hot Clothes: Some of these are rave fashions, which one is not? A. Hooded shirts B. Extra-long shorts C. Flared pants D. Tuxedo there was the answer on the the reverse side of the packet: D. The idea is to look cool not look like a monkey! well i for one am glad corporate america is catching up with the rave community and helping inform the clueless...and i almost bought a tux today!!!! I thought tuxes gave ya the cool "penguin" look not the simian.... i think i'll concoct some freelance questions of my own and hopefully sell them to the Quaker Oats Co. and thus fund the fun! HMMMMM what's hot? Some of these are rave enhancers, which one is not? A.phat and zany mixes B. positive & enthusiastic attitudes C. outlandish kinetic movements D. Sketchtasy Remember a quiz a day keeps ignorance at bay. ^ ^ @ @ U O .............peachesandcreamanddrummachinedrivenbeats! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 23:48:56 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , nmoser Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: nmoser@AOL.COM Subject: The rave scene list Very interested to read this list, and keep in touch with (what's left of) the rave scene. I'm mainly familiar with the West Coast scene, and would be interested to learn what's happening over there on the other side. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 02:18:21 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: GOA Goes To Oz??????? In-Reply-To: <199405031714.NAA23929@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Grant D McHerron" at May 3, 94 1:14 pm > > Hey Gang, > > This just came over the Oz Rave mailing list and seemed kinda interesting: > > Jamie sez: > >Pop (the fabled hairdresser up here) told me that a few Goan DJ type > >dudes are buying land up here on the North Coast in the hills behind > >Mullumbimby to settle here permanently. It seems the Goa situation is > >getting worse all the time and the vibe has gone, and some of them have > >decided to try and move over to my part of the world and try and get the > >same thing happening up here. > > >hahahahaha! Sucked in to all you dudes in Sydney! :) > > >Anyway, it seems there should be more of the same. This one went well > >into the morning, and I am told dancing to that bassy dubby Goa sound in > >a rainforst as the some comes up, t'ing off yer face is something to behold. > > So - from this it seems that GOA is slowly dying - or at least is dying to the > ideals held by those who originally set it up - and that some of them are > moving to the back lands in Oz. Not desert there, as you may have guessed, but > lush tropical forest and such. Could this be true? I can only hope - this > would be a *good thing(tm)* if it happened as I hope to be back in Oz around > 1998 for the 1999 & 2000 New Years Eve bashes AND the Sydney 2000 Olympics. > Man, the parties that are gonna happen then.... :) > > > Grant > > Most Quoted Oz-Raver Line In History: > "we are not conforming to the social ideal of non conformity" - VicZ > freaks have been going to goa for 30 some years now and partying on the beach- long before techno and raves came around-and i think it will continue long after raves have made way for the next psycadelic dance culture. From what ive heard last season was good, the season before was good until january, and when i was there it was kickin ass (in 1992)) until well after new years-.. the problems started that year when folks decided not to pay off the police for a party- which screwed up the rest of the season- anyway- the best raves i was ever at were on teh beaches of goa- and any ex-pats will continue to party and hang in goa long after the "scene" has officially moved on peaceout -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 03:21:02 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , e boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: e boy Subject: Re: one step, two steps... In-Reply-To: <199405032157.AA25303@world.std.com> grant your points are well taken. in this case though, it SEEMS the permits are pretty clear. we are getting a "special event permit for an event to be held on private property", and that combined with a fire marshall sticker on the wall saying capacity 3000, is what we need to do the party. we did think that when we got the permit, we'd scan the appropriate parts of it and have it somehwere on the flyer, so people would be able to see that we aren't bullshitting. i would say that people should know that we don't throw bustable parties (unless it's a small outlaw and you know going in), but after the p.d. fiasco, we think that the travellers need to be reassured that their daylong treks to get to baltimore will not be for a bad night in a boring club after a busted rave. we should have everything settled by weeks end... peace lonnie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 05:46:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danimal964 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Re: have question, need response I know it's been a while since this was posted, but I keep forgetting to check my mail. But I have to get a word in on this. (This is my first posting to the list, so that shows how strongly I feel about this -- it forced my to come out of my shell.) I think a daytime rave sounds swell. A moon bounce? Woo! This really sounds like my ideal good time. To be honest, one thing I dislike about raves is that I end up staying awake until noon the next day and then I miss classes for the next three or four days, or worse, I end up being a vampire for the next week and sleeping all days never seeing sunlight. (Maybe I'm just getting to be an old fart [just turned 23] who can't handle a little sleep deprivation.) But what sounds coolest is you get to dance outdoors in the daytime in the sun! When was the last time you did that? It's crazy fun. It does sound Lollapalooza-esque, but the first one was one of the best times I ever had and I really only wanted to see the Butthole Surfers. It's just a really cool scene, hanging out in the sun with your friends, chilling or bugging out as you see fit. And eventually, the sun'll go down and you get to see a sunset! (Man, I'm really turning into an old hippie.) But doesn't sound awesome? I dunno, I hope you go through with it, 'cause it could be really amazing and I think it's always good to try something a little different just because it is different. I'd hate to see raves get locked into a specific format because that would mean stagnation and the end of raves. later Danimal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 07:20:52 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe Pitassi Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Re: ear protection In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 3 May 1994 17:11:50 -0400 from hey all.... Meddling Kids' Soulsonic Emporium (my booth) sells earplugs rated at 31db of noise reduction...they are soft, squishy neon green foam and are very comfort- able...i *always* wear mine...the sound actually is much clearer (and doesnt hurt) with them in. I dont even notice them in my ears...they dont give you an earache after a while from being in there. SO...if you need earplugs... and i'm vending....you know what to do :) joe ps-i sell them for only $1 a pair...and they are reusable.. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 10:20:23 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Handi-boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Handi-boy Subject: Re: ear protection In-Reply-To: <9405041123.AA26114@media.mit.edu>; from "Joe Pitassi" at May 4, 94 7:20 am yeah, that joe guy has good earplugs never let them see you sweat ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 11:14:49 -0400 Reply-To: "flu'id (floo'-)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "flu'id (floo'-)" Subject: Spiritual Movement Spiritual Movement "Natural Rhythem" June 25-26 in up state Maryland Line-up to include: Scott & Robbie Hardkiss Dante Micro Dave Trance Ryde Who Scott Henry Frankie Bones Jason Jinx Lieven Degeyndt 333 Mgee and more to be announced........ swimming pools, tennis, vollyball, basketball, and loads of outdoor fun!! info CALL 410-523-1882 to be held in the Baltimore area. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 13:01:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Thomas C Noe Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Thomas C Noe Subject: ALCHEMY Hey what ever happend to the plans for Alchemy? With all theses ne-ravers with the brains and brawn to put it together why don't we? I said it before.....I got a sound system and lights (Ed you can put it to use!) (Will you can organize) We can all take turns DJing! What more do we need? Location.......HOw hard could it be? ITS SUMMER LETS DO IT! TOM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 13:09:41 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , technosel Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Re: Flyer Gripe! -Reply what ever happened to STORM RAVE ?? Thunderground ?? Dennis the Menace, Tominator, Liz Love, Beatriz, Jenna ... are you guys still around ? Under One Sky ? Catastrophic ??!? Does anyone know where Giovani is these days ?? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 13:50:30 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , WILL-E Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: WILL-E Subject: Re: ALCHEMY Thomas wrote: >Hey what ever happend to the plans for Alchemy? Well Alchemy was a party that was being put on and largely organized by Laura for the list that she was running at the time called Technopolis. It was a NY based rave, internet & community list. Everything was sorted except for the site which just didn't work out. We were looking into a new site but as you may remember, the weather was incredibly poor at the time and driving conditions were really bad. We couldn't even drive to go check out the site because the weather was so bad. I doubt a quarter of the people would have made it if we were lucky. We would have taken a bigger loss than we already did - not to mention disappointment - so it was cancelled. In addition, Laura was moving to San Francisco at the time and she is there now. I've been discussing re-organizing something similar with a number of the people who were previously involved especially Liz who is a great source of inspiration and found us the original site but again, getting a site is a problem. Believe me, we've been looking into a few things for the past few months and hopefully we can make it happen. This time, snow & ice will not be a problem! :) As it stands, Phil Z and I are leaving for San Francisco next week and won't be back until June. Ed has been busy as hell but he'll probably speak for himself. >What more do we need? Location.......HOw hard could it be? You and anybody else can help get us a site. It's not as easy as it sounds. But please, do give it a try! It's a community thing so anyone can & should help. >ITS SUMMER LETS DO IT! Umm, hate to say this but check your calendar. It's not summer just yet but when it is, things will come into action. ___ / / / / / / _ __/ (_/__/ / (__ (__ ___/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 13:59:38 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: ALCHEMY i'd sure like to see an *alchemy* happen! i guess the only issue would be money. last time laura was going to assume the risk. does anyone know how much she was putting up for the party. if no one person is willing to take the risk, we could share that across the list. if this is considered, i would suggest that ed manage the pool. btw, last year someone tried this approach and nothing happened, i.e. somepeople lost money. haZard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 14:11:27 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Michael J Minnich Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Michael J Minnich Subject: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 5/3/94) =============================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR =============================================================================== This will be the last Rave-O-Matic transmitted from Pittsburgh. Starting next week, I'll be back in the Chocolate City of Washington, DC squeezin' out the ROM with a little o' dat DC funkin' flava! (whatever that means) -inhuman _______________________________________________________________________________ KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club To subscribe or unsubscribe from the ne-raves discussion list, send mail to listserv@umdd.umd.edu. To subscribe or unsubscribe from the calendar-only list, send mail to majordomo@sfraves.stanford.edu. Put "help" in the body of your message, if you don't know how listserv or majordomo works. Please send all corrections and submissions to inhuman+@cmu.edu. Also send any DC/Baltimore area rave info to melzie@wam.umd.edu so she can share it with DCRaves. VRAVE Instructions: telnet sfraves.stanford.edu 7283, login as "new" **PLEASE NOTE: If you reply to this message, BE SURE to edit the headers so that you reply ONLY to me and not to all the groups that I am sending this out to! This is VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT! _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES SUMMARY: 05/02/94 - RUSH&SHOK * - Philadelphia, PA - (215) 922 - 6500 05/06/94 - FEEL IT! - Philadelphia, PA - (215) 552 - 8940 05/06/94 - ANTIDOTE @ - Harrisburg, PA - (717) 770 - 0241 05/07/94 - WARM MILK - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 8458 05/07/94 - PHOENIX - New York City - (718) 390 - 8816 05/07/94 - MANTRAS - Princeton, NJ - (609) 258 - 7249 05/07/94 - A RAVE CALLED SCOTT - New Jersey - (215) 292 - 4666 05/13/94 - NO NAME - New Brunswick, NJ - (908) 287 - 8795 05/14/94 - REVIVAL - New York City - (???) ??? - ???? 05/14/94 - RAGE @ - Harrisburg, PA - (717) 285 - 7964 05/20/94 - THE AWAKENING - Asbury Park, NJ - (908) 502 - 0660 05/21/94 - MYSTERY MACHINE - Allentown, PA - (???) ??? - ???? 05/27/94 - CARPE DIEM - Rhode Island - (401) 455 - 2104 05/28/94 - SATURDAY NIGHT FLAVOR - Altoona, PA - (814) 941 - 8910 05/28/94 - MAGIC - New York City - (212) 592 - 3687 06/02/94 - RAVE THE BAY - Chesapeake Bay, MD- (410) 880 - 7031 06/04/94 - GALAXY 2000 - Brooklyn, NY - (212) 631 - 1065 06/11/94 - SYNOVIAL FLUID - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 741 - 1573 06/11/94 - SPUTNIK IV - Poughkeepsie, NY - (212) 465 - 3299 06/18/94 - TERRA-X - Cleveland, OH - (216) 238 - 1451 06/25/94 - BIRTH - Upstate New York - (518) 432 - 4784 07/02/94 - GLOW - Baltimore, MD - ultraworld@aol.com 07/23/94 - PLANET EARTH - New York City - (516) 547 - 6129 _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES IN DETAIL: _______________________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, May 2 PHILADELPHIA, PA (215) 922 - 6500 RUSH&SHOK * Every Tue night at club Egypt.... Rush&Shok Always the latest in Tribal, House Techno and Trance.... Some old Favourites thrown in too.... DJ Rush..... Main Spinner.. SHOK.... Influence and Atmosphere.... Must be 21..... Must be open minded.... Find a Flyer about town and get in for free.... (hint....South Street) Egypt is located at Deleware Av & Spring Garden Street... 215-922-6500 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 6 PHILADELPHIA, PA (215) 552 - 8940 FEEL IT! come one, come all for an evening of incredible tag-teaming talent, uniting philly's best DJing teams with NY's dynamic duo, we want you to FEEL IT! KING BRITT & BLAKE JOESKI & RYDE O'KEEF & NARAYAN KARL & KAOS no markers no spray cans no alcohol no bottles no cans no weapons friday may 6, 1994 10pm-6am all tix only $10 - strict door procedures - only 600 tix - arrive early info 215-552-8940 18th and chestnut sts. (nirvana fitness), philly sorry no guest list - watch out for work it! on saturday, june 25 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 6 HARRISBURG, PA (717) 770 - 0241 ANTIDOTE @ (formerly Galaxy 2) KLiCK PROMOTIONS presents A N T I D O T E (A Remedy for a Better Rave) EMERGENCY ROOM RECOVERY ROOM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DJ Nigel Richards DJ Jedi MindTrip (611 Records / Horizon Group) (Turbo-Zen, Pitts) DJ Lee Botix DJ Bry-W (Klick, Adrenaline Records) (Gravity One) DJ Josh Wink DJ Tab (R&S Records) (Klick) DJ Dave Trance DJ Craig (Caffeine, Long Island) (Klick, Harrisburg X-Force) DJ Micro DJ Merchant (Sorted Records) (Balt X-press, Klick) SMART BAR by LIQUID TECHNOLOGY 100% Guaranteed - 100% No Alcohol - 100% Slammin' Location - 'Rage' Time - 10pm to ??? $8 with boarding pass $10 without pass call for directions _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 7 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 734 - 8458 WARM MILK W A R M M I L K Reciently the Pittsburgh scene has been cut down to the minimum, due to lack of funding, time and poor weather. People have been saying that Fridays are just too hectic, and sundays are too inconvient. Well Pittsburgh, SATURDAYS ARE BACK! FINGER, HANNIBAL, and JOY have joined to form THE FOOD GROUP, a new promotional group that guarantees to throw parties that will keep you moving. WARM MILK represents the premiere FOOD eevent which will provide the essential musical vitamins for your dietary pleasure. All monies raised will fortify future parties, insuring the delivery of more good, wholesome nutrients to you patient people. Supplying the Suppliments... --Finger-- --Terry Kicks-- --Jedi Mindtrip-- Five Dollars Capacity 200-300 Get there Early 24 Hour FOOD Infoline: (412) 734-8458 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 7 NEW YORK CITY (718) 390 - 8816 PHOENIX Phoenix May 7th, 1994 "...and when the great Phoenix is flying free, look closely at what he carries lovingly within his clenched talons. It will be a new green leaf, not from an olive branch, but from the new fresh growth of the Sacred Tree that will be flourishing straight and strong within the Hoop of Mankind's new Nation." - No-Eyes CANNABIS ACTION NETWORK in KAHOOTZ with the Mental Unity Tribe proudly presents "Phoenix" SECOND IN A SERIES OF RELEGALIZATION EVENTS LIVE PERFORMANCES BY: X-Crash Temper Tantrum (DIRECT DRIVE) (INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH) first performance on east coast this year their first performace in NYC DJs FOR THE EVENING: Lenny Dee - Frankie Bones - Keoki - Einstein Jeff Abraxas - K-5 - Tera - Dave Trance VISUALS BY: ENO-ONE Phoenix HOTLINE: 718.390.8816 - GENERAL HOTLINE: 718.390.7498 PROMOTIONAL AND BUS INFO: DENNIS THE MENACE JOINT VENTURES/S.U.N. 212.629.2061 ALAN SANCTUARY 212.696.8938 UNITED TECHNO 203.646.6381 KORT-N-GREG 516.547.7118 EDDIE VAN RAVEN, JOINT VENTURES/S.U.N. 516.925.2011 CURIOUS GEORGE, TWR POSSE FBI 718.390.7107 DEANNA 202.452.7639 DAN D.C. 201.378.7501 THC PRODUCTIONS 215.602.2890 TICKETS $15 GO ON SALE APRIL 30 AT: groove records 718.714.5232 modern music 410.523.1882 liquid sky 212.343.0532 611 records 215.413.9100 planet x 908.249.0304 music now 202.638.1213 music shack 518.436.4581 FREE THE WEED AS USUAL 50% OF PROCEEDS GO TOWARD THE MOVEMENT PROUD SUPPORTERS OF S.U.N. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 7 PRINCETON, NJ (609) 258 - 7249 MANTRAS The Princeton Groove Possee brings you M A N T R A S WHEN: Saturday May 7th, 10/11- ?? WHERE: 1,000,000% bust-proof location in Princeton, NJ. WHY: 'cuz our feet are ITCHIN'!!!!! WALLET THINNING FACTOR: 0 (free) DJ's: HaZard (Boston/ne-raves) Will-E (NYC/ne-raves) Mars (NJ/ne-raves) Denard (NYC) Live Experimental Midi-Drum Performance by our own CMC (Computer Music Composer) DJ DANKS!! [If you are interested, call the infoline at (609) 258-7249 and leave your name & number, and a time when I can reach you. We can have a pre-party ne-raves dinner at the location for a minimal cost, too. Come support the net-talent and groove with us! -Terence] _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 7 NEW JERSEY (215) 292 - 4666 A RAVE CALLED SCOTT (212) 696 - 8938 Primal, 611, and Buzz present: A Rave Called Scott DJs: Scott Hardkiss (SanFran) Scott Richmond (Polaris) Scott Henry (Buzz) ..and these Non-Scotts: Robbie Hardkiss (SanFran) Nigel Richards (Horizon) other Scotts and Non-Scotts to be announced. info: 215.292.4666 212.696.8938 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 13 NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ (908) 287 - 8795 NO NAME On Friday, May 13th The Digital Deviants present... "N o N a m e" DJ Line-up: Spike Freshco DanDC Dayz-X1 Bananas Mars [If you're interested in DJing, call the info line.] Lighting and space by God Drinks, food, fun, vibe, energy by You Cost: Free Location: Outside, New Brunswick, NJ More info and directions: 908.287.8795 As Dayz-X-1 put it, "It's Free, it's outdoors...Fuck it, just show up." Friday May 13 the Digital Deviants will be holding a free party. No flyers are being made and it's invitation only. All net members are invited and can contact Dan DC at cliftoda@lanmail.shu.edu. for more information. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 14 NEW YORK CITY (???) ??? - ???? REVIVAL new york city saturday may 14 fluid & essence present "revival" dj pierre live pa by dub tribe james christian shining cloud micro scott henry josh wink joeski _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 14 HARRISBURG, PA (717) 285 - 7964 RAGE @ info line: 717.285.7964 Djs: Frannie Bones Jimmy Crash Adam X Nigel Richards Lee Botix Smart Bar by: Liquid Technology _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 20 ASBURY PARK, NJ (908) 502 - 0660 THE AWAKENING DP Productions presents... A W A K E N I N G Friday, May 20 In the Main Sound Chamber: ADAM X - Groove Records, Brooklyn JAMES CHRISTIAN - Limelight, NYC MICRO - Caffeine, Long Island DAVE TRANCE - Caffeine, Long Island MARS - Oral, NJ GLEN GARCIA - Oral, NJ SAL V. - Oral, NJ Downstairs in Deeper Love: NIGEL RICHARDS - 611 Records, Philly SPIKE - Planet X Music, NJ JEFF MANHEIMER - WHTG 106.3 FM, NJ B:RAD - Vinyl, NJ BLACKOUT - Blondies, NJ JAH-RED - Blondies, NJ Mind expanding lighting and visuals by TDL EFFECTS [lighting crew for Nine Inch Nails last tour] 25K of bloody deep sound by BACKWARD AUDIO Smart Bar by LIQUID TECHNOLOGY Tribal Drumming Circle Admission: $10 in advanced, $12 at the door Doors open at 9pm, close late 24 hour info and directions: 908.502.0660 After hours by the ORAL POSSE [ If you spin after hours sort of music, e-mail me and I will get you set up to spin for this party! - Mars ] TICKET LOCATIONS: Planet X Music - New Brunswick, NJ 908.249.0304 Vintage Vinyl - Eatontown, NJ 908.517.0990 611 Records - Philly, PA 215.413.9100 Groove Records - Brooklyn, NY 718.714.5232 PROMO & BUS TRIPS: Outer Space - NJ - 908.506.9592 Angel Asylum - NJ - 908.972.6270 J-Fresh - NJ - 908.493.0172 Digital Deviants - NJ - 908.287.8795 Zoom - Allentown - 215.998.9650 T.H.C. Prod. - Philly - 215.923.4339 Alan Sanctuary - Manhattan - 212.696.8938 Kort & Greg - Long Island - 516.547.7118 Island Vibe - Long Island - 516.476.2520 United Techno - Conn. - 203.646.6381 DanFreeLove - D.C. - 202.973.2109 TranceFused - Richmond - 804.768.2000 [ If you're interested in promoting or running a bus trip e-mail Mars at: a176@lehigh.edu We especially need help in Upstate NY, the Boston area, and further west into Pittsburg and Ohio. THANX! ] This party is going to be sooooo phat, you have to come out for it!!!! Hope to see many net ravers! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 21 ALLENTOWN, PA (???) ??? - ???? MYSTERY MACHINE djs: Nigel Richards DieselBoy Miko Damon Wild Geoff-E plus more Smart bar by: Liquid Technology After-hours at: Freight Yard Allentown Pa. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 27 RHODE ISLAND (401) 455 - 2104 CARPE DIEM Fred Strong and Home Planet Multimedia present: CARPE DIEM A gateway to the here and now Frankie Bones Jason Jinx Adam X M-Gee DN-E Tiga Osheen Live performance by EBN and Funky Alien (of Colossal Amoeba) 10 watt multicolor argon laser and... 401-455-2104 Friday May 27 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 28 ALTOONA, PA (814) 941 - 8910 SATURDAY NIGHT FLAVOR dosemE presents... SATURDAY NIGHT FLAVOR I ROLLER BOOGIE 2000 dj's: stage one: "ENERGY" dieselBoy SpinBot Speed Demon Nigel Richards Boy Blake stage two: "LETHARGY" Craig fom Click Derek Tiffany and surprises visuals by track * free stuff from Instinct Records * Smart bar by Liquid Technology * Vending by "checkered past," dosemE, and more tix $10 before & $12 night of sold at: Baltimore, MD - Modern Music 410.523.1882 Philly, PA - 611 Records 215.413.9100 DC - Music Now 202.638.1213 Altoona, PA - Custon Skin Art 814.949.9227 Cresson, PA - Mtn. Top Gallery 814.886.2044 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 28 NEW YORK CITY (212) 592 - 3687 MAGIC Uptown Underground presents: MAGIC Watch us cast our hardcore spells May 28, 1994 Our sorcerers of sound: Abraxis Frankie Bones Rob G K-5 Adam X Narotic Future Funk Jimmy Crash Chris the Creator Dave Trance Einstein We've called upon these WIZARDS to cast you into Eternal Bliss. 100% Hardcore * 200% Underground * 300% Magical Uptown Underground Hotline ... For tickets and Info. 212-592-3687 Bruckner Records and Tapes ... Bronx. 718-823-8899 Groove Records ... Brooklyn. 718-714-5232 No ticket purchase at door. No admission without ticket. Tickets: $15 Only 1000 tickets will be sold for this event. Event starts 11 PM till... Nuff Respect to: The whole underground scene for making Cybertek the second best rave of 93.. Joint Ventures, Mental Unity, Back to Basics, Eddie Van Raven, Grrove Records, Bruckner Records, Alana Sanctuary, CAN, TWR, Curious George, David Dose, Under One Sky, Dawn, Germaine, Nicole, AG, SPank and Future Funk, and the fellas around the way. Remember, Always keep the scene deep down underground. Post Hypnotic Suggestion ... Cybertek II, SUN _______________________________________________________________________________ Thursday, June 2 CHESAPEAKE BAY, MD (410) 880 - 7031 RAVE THE BAY ultraworld@aol.com RAVE THE BAY (YAY!) THURSDAY JUNE 2, 1994 FROM 11 p.m. - 7 a.m. ULTRAWORLD PRESENTS AN 8 HOUR BOAT CRUISE ON THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ON THE BAY LADY WHICH DOCKS AT THE LIGHT ST. PAVILLION AT THE BALTIMORE INNER HARBOR. WE WILL BE LEAVING FROM THE BALTIMORE INNER HARBOR, SAILING TO ANNAPOLIS AND BACK AGAIN. THERE WILL THREE DECKS OF MUSIC- ON DECK ONE- ON DECK TWO- ON DECK THREE (OPEN SKY) ON-E SCOTT HENRY L.G. WINK JASON JINX WASH M GEE DJ SUN MOSES WHO ALVARO BOBBLE and----> DIESELBOY <---- can you believe it? VISUAL STIMULATION BY DOUBLE HELIX (seth the boy wonder) THE OFFICIAL TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE AT MODERN MUSIC'S PARTY ON APRIL 30th. THEY WILL BE $35 AND WE WILL HAVE A BOOTH SET UP THERE WITH THE FLIERS AND TICKETS. OR CALL 410.880.7031 TO ARRANGE FOR TICKET PURCHASE. ONLY 450 TICKETS WILL BE SOLD, SO GET YOUR TICKET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OR YOU MAY MISS THE BOAT! DUE TO BOAT REGULATIONS NO FOOD OR DRINKS MAY BE BROUGHT ON BOARD, BUT THERE WILL BE WATER, SODAS, JUICES AND FOOD SOLD ON BOARD AT GOOD PRICES (this is boat rules and they get all the money, sorry bout that) YOU CAN PARK AT THE GARAGE ACROSS FROM THE LIGHT ST PAVILLION AT HARBORPLACE AT A DISCOUNTED RATE. BESIDES A NIGHT WE'LL NEVER FORGET, EVERYONE WHO GOES ON THE TRIP WILL RECEIVE A FEW "RAVE THE BAY" BUMPER STICKERS. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH TO BUY YOUR TICKET ASAP. WE ARE RESERVING SPOTS FOR NO ONE! (seriously) - lonnie _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 4 BROOKLYN, NY (212) 631 - 1065 GALAXY 2000 (718) 714 - 5232 Brooklyn's combined forces present the goods GALAXY 2000 leaving earth: *Saturday June 4, 1994* Trancecore DJ's: Frankie Bones Jimmy Crash Heather Heart James Christian Adam X Carlos Tera Dave Trance K-5 plus guests and a separate chill-zone... *free toys and 20K of pounding noise* Respects Due: Storm, S.U.N., STOP, Spice, F.B.I., Motion Posse (LI), Mental Unity INFO PHONES: 212-631-1065, 718-714-5232 Prepare to blast off this June! *Brooklyn's True Underground Returns* And to the blanket posse, stay the fuck home! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 11 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 741 - 1573 SYNOVIAL FLUID F U E L Presents (Future Underground Entertainment Limited) SYNOVIAL FLUID DJ's Scheduled: Deadly Buda (Millineum, Pittsburgh) dieselBoy(Recycled,Pittsburgh) Geoff e (Freightyard,Allentown) X-on(FUEL,Pittsburgh) G-Wiz(Baltimore) Terry Kicks(Millennium,Pittsburgh) FiNGER(Food Group,Pittsburgh) Speed Demon(DC) Live PA by 1.8.7. Features: Smart Bar by Nrgetics Fruit Bar 55,000 sq ft of Secured Space 50,000 Watt Sound System Intelligent Lighting by Apple(Baltimore) Time 10:00pm - 10am Tix $8(Advance) $10(Door) Tix available at: Modern Music(410)523-1882/ Planet X(908)249-0304 611 (215)413-9100/Groove(718)714-5232 InfoLine (412)741-1573 Internet Address: dwgv07c@prodigy.com _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 11 POUGHKEEPSIE, NY (212) 465 - 3299 SPUTNIK IV SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS ****************************** SPUTNIK IV ********** DJ LINEUP: ********* SVEN VAN HEES AND REMY UNGER SCOTT HENRY (Global Cuts/Wonka Beats/R&S (Fever/Baltimore/D.C.) Records Belgium) LUKE SLATER ABRAXAS (GPR Recordings/U.K.) (Fierce Ruling Diva/Holland/NYC) DJ DUKE JOHN ACQUAVIVA (Ffrr Records/NYC) (Plus 8 Records/Detroit/Toronto) DERRICK CARTER TIGA (Organico Records/Chicago) (DNA/Montreal) DJ EFX AND DJ DIGIT MR KLEEN (3RD Floor Prod./San Francisco) (Gyroscopic Recordings/NET/NYC) WINK SCOTT RICHMOND (Ovum Records/Philadelphia) (Gyroscopic Recordings/NET/NYC) FRANKIE BONES MGEE (Groove Records/Brooklyn) (Primary Productions/Boston) KEOKI ENTITY (Moonshine Records/NYC) (Ultraworld/Baltimore) LIVE: DISINTEGRATOR (INDUSTRIAL STREGNTH RECORDING ARTISTS) *********************************************************** LOCATION: MID HUDSON CIVIC CENTER POUGHKEEPSIE,NY AFTERHOURS ********** OSHEEN,DJ REESE,DAVE TRANCE,TROPOSPHERE,DJ SPROUT,RYDE? LOCATION:Hudson Valley Skate Park, Newburgh, NY ***VISUALS BY*** EYE STRAIN (Miami), FACTORY VISUALS (Orlando), MELONDESIGN (Philadelphia) FOR TICKETS,DIRECTIONS AND ANY OTHER INFO CALL: SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS (212)465-3299 UPNORTH (914)256-0445 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 18 CLEVELAND, OH (216) 238 - 1451 TERRA-X Through the long cold winter Funky Alien Gizmos have been putting togehter an event that should prove to be the HOTTEST night in Cleveland,OH thus far Funky Alien Gizmos present Terra-X "The Arrival" Controlling the Masses Rob Black Dave Trance Micro Cleveland Caffeine-L.I. Caffeine-L.I. Boomer Sun Tony Garcia Omegeman-Definitive Records Ultraworld-Baltimore Chicago Dieselboy Wink Dreamer Pittsburgh Sorted-Philly Cleveland-Funky Alien Doors open at 10pm Lighting by Pandemonium Tickets $10 adv, $12 day of [net people will tickets for $8 if they mail] [me their address by may 13th {i'm leaving} ] [in your mail put your name and email addres] This event will take place in an all new 10,000sq ft venue in downtown cleveland and is fully permitted. Smartbar by: NRGETICS Ticket and bus trip info later next week _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 25 UPSTATE NEW YORK (518) 432 - 4784 BIRTH kumquat@acs.bu.edu Space Productions presents: B I R T H Big Dipper, Gearhead, the Mission Crew, and Space Productions are all working together for the first time to bring you BIRTH: CONCEPTION: We have all wanted this for a long time. Remember Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect? THIS *IS* THE NEXT STEP. It's time for all musical tribes to come together in a way like never before. on JUNE 25, 1994..... WE UNITE IN A NEW RHYTHM. In a large, legal, UNIQUE outdoor location that is central to the ENTIRE northeast. this will bring people from *all* facets of the musical community. By not limiting ourselves to one genre we allow ourselves to experience the beauty that each genre offers. we seek to integrate members from communityies that would not usually get to experience a rave, but that hold similar ideals of PLUR. By adding a human, live aspect to this event (in a LARGE capaciity) we hope to create a more interactive atmosphere for the attendees. *we are seeking persons who wish to help the idea: percussionists, drummers, drum circles, African, Latin, Native American, Asain........tribal dj's, cutting edge live experimental music & dance, food services, Promoters, Ideas, and suggestions are welcome and invited. once again: 518.43.BIRTH & kumquat@acs.bu.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, July 2 BALTIMORE, MD ultraworld@aol.com GLOW [date is still tentative] the Reaction Chamber the Phat room DJ SUN OSHEEN SCOTT HENRY F I L ASTROBOY TERRY MULLEN DAVID J + 2 MORE T.B.A. GREG SEARGENT + 2 MORE T.B.A. the COOLANT AREA ENTITY \ ____ LIVE AMBIENT WORDMOSES / + 2 MORE T.B.A. the GOODIES: 10 WATT LASER INTELLIBEAMS IN ONE ARENA GOLDSCANS IN THE OTHER + MORE COOL LIGHTING SYNCHRO-ENERGIZE MIND MACHINES SMART BAR LIVE VISUALS BY DOUBLE HELIX COMPUTER GRAPHICS PROJECTIONS SERIOUS BLACK LIGHTING (get yer clothes ready!) 1000 FREE GLOWSTICKS (multi-colored army issue!) FREE AFTER PARTY from 9 am - 2 pm 2000 of your closest friends. [we have a spot with a 5 acre field, and a 17 acre parking lot. if all goes as planned we are going to drop in three circus tents (already reserved) one able to hold 1500 people and two which can hold 1000 people. the large tent has a 48' ceiling height! plus there will be a central area in the middle for all the merchants, smart bars, rides, etc... we are getting the city of baltimore involved to some degree. i have talked with the mayor's office and they want to specifically register voters 18 - 25 this year (which is an election year), so they are going to set up a booth. also from the mayor's office, they may set up a drug information booth, which besides giving info away about drug use and abuse will be specifically geared towards furthering the mayor's belief that drugs should be decriminalized! i'm also trying to get a meeting with the entire city council to make them see the benefits of making baltimore "the city that raves", and how they can make it easier on us to get locations. i don't know if they'll go for it, but i know we've got one city councilman who has allowed us to give his name as a reference to anyone we contact about raves. it seems a little counter underground to approach the city in this way, but i have only one motive, and that is to make it so that we can do what we all love to do without all the hassle that so often accompanies the bigger events. plus, when you think about it, this country's government was started by a bunch of underground radicals, and i think there's still the possibility of that radical thought within the current gov. -lonnie] _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, July 23 NEW YORK CITY (516) 547 - 6129 PLANET EARTH Essence presents... P L A N E T E A R T H Saturday July 23, 1994 (516)547-6129 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- END OF FILE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 21:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Gross Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 4/26/94) To: Michael J Minnich cc: ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu, ne-raves-calendar@techno.Stanford.EDU, pb-cle-raves@telerama.pgh.pa.us Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 18:36:28 +0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Warm Milk - May 7 To: Pittsburgh-Cleveland Rave List ~ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 22:51:36 EDT From: EHDV19C@prodigy.com ( JEN KANE) To: inhuman+@cmu.edu Subject: last sputnik update...i promise:):) Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 18:34:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenny Eng To: Michael J Minnich Subject: Re: Spun CD Cc: yo --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "loops of funk over hardcore beats" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 14:58:21 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , djentox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Skreem Contributions Hey again.. Well, If anyone wants to contribute, I'm looking for just about anything.. drawings, articles, pictures, musings, advertisements =) and anything you can think of, really. All I ask is that it be in black and white. Peace, DJ Entox I'll see anybody that'll be going to NEAU in Manchester NH on Friday! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 15:08:16 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Adam Darby Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Adam Darby Subject: HELP! S VA raves? i am going home for the summer, and would like to know of anyone knows of any raves going on in the southern part or actually just about anywhere in virginia or north carolina...help me! i can't go 3 months without rave! "Bang - you dead." -Gambit ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 16:13:04 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Princeton May 7th... At the risk of being redundant: We're throwing a "micro" here at Princeton University this weekend (Saturday), from about 10 p.m. 'til 6 a.m. Here's the info: The Princeton Groove Possee brings you M A N T R A S DJ's: HaZard (Boston/ne-raves) Will-E (NYC/ne-raves) Mars (NJ/ne-raves) Denard (NYC) Live Experimental Midi-Drum Performance: DJ Danks This is a free party. The space is very friendly and solidly bust-proof. The sound system is _phat_. We also have lighting, visuals and a smartbar going. If you are interested, call the infoline at (609) 258-7249 and leave your name & number, and a time when I can reach you. We can have a pre-party ne-raves dinner at the location for a minimal cost, too. Come support the net-talent and groove with us! Peace, terence ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 16:54:22 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , technosel Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Re: HELP! S VA raves? NC Raves !! ----PULSE---- saturday may7 The Depot -- Greensboro, NC (910) 274 8530 4 the 411 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 17:07:43 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , technosel Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Re: Skreem Contributions I'm in N.C. How can I get a copy?? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 17:27:47 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Subject: Re: HELP! S VA raves? well....usually there are a few cool events here in richmond, va....hope that helps j ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 18:23:43 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: Flyer Gripe! -Reply In-Reply-To: <199405041711.NAA06160@holmes.umd.edu> i think giovani was at atlantis 2. i could be mistaken. my vision wasn't in the greatest of shapes. chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 19:00:52 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , groovybass Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Re: ok i really need you... > the time has come again when i am leaving school and heading >home >to Philly. With this great news there is also sad news...no more net >connection til August :( > >So here is what I was thinking... > If ANYONE (this means you, yes you) would like to give me their >phone number and address it would be greatly appreciated :) :) :) :) hi jenn, I'm going to be attending school in philly starting September but I'll probably be moved in earlier than that. just mentioning... :) peace kenji btw, MARS if you're reading this, i'm sorry I haven't gotten a chance to come to one of the events you spin at yet. I'm thinking about going to Mantra though. :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 19:19:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BPMF@DELPHI.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jason Szostek Subject: SETI Yo all, I have a tape of Taylor's SETI , (and you guessed it) IT SLAMMSS!! While SETI is a government funded project that is a waste of the taxpayers' money: Not to get SETI the CD by T808 and Savas would be a waste for your ears. It is a very smooooth sounding space that fills your atmoshpere with peace and oneness with the universal consciousness. Pretty cool stuff for the price of a CD. Check it out! See you at Pheonix! Peace:) Jason ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 19:27:54 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Kristopher Setchfield Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Kristopher Setchfield Subject: info about neau did i miss the info post about this????? if i did, someone please forward it to me (kumquat@acs.bu.edu) but i dont think that the info was ever posted...is it gonna happen? do you guys need my sound dave? curious...and wanting to support the underground in my back yard... sprockett ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 20:59:44 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Speed Racer Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Speed Racer Subject: return 2 atlantis ok, this is a little late, but i thought i'd post anyway...as you all know i ran my booth at r2a, and i did pretty well and sold a bunch of things... however, at the end of the night, manny, the guy running the event, came up to me and told me he wanted $50 from me since the party didnt go as well as he expected it to...and he also said he usually asks the vendors to make up the lost money on his events (which, to me, seems not very fair). I told him i wouldnt be able to give him that amount of money but i wold check my situation and see what i cold do. $20 wasnt hurting me as badly as $50 was so that's what i offered him, at which point he looked at me like i just told him to go fuck himself....then he wanted $30...and i said"no, i think $20 is pretty good" and he said,"you know i dont want this to sound like a bribe or anything, but it might be good for you to give me the money, especially if you want to vend at sputnik 4, i'll be involved it". uh huh... the long and short of it is...i gave him $25. He got off my back... i *dont* think i'll do another oracle event again. $25 was a significant chunk of my profits.... anyway.... look for my booth soon :) joe (speedracer) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 21:32:24 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Test Testing folks.. (well, testing my software, not you folks) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 22:02:51 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: SETI In-Reply-To: <199405042324.TAA11110@holmes.umd.edu> On Wed, 4 May 1994, Jason Szostek wrote: > Yo all, > > I have a tape of Taylor's SETI , > (and you guessed it) > IT SLAMMSS!! > > While SETI is a government funded project > that is a waste of the taxpayers' money: Correction, it WAS a government funded project. It was killed earlier this year. As for it being wasteful, it depends on how one looks at it. As a whole SETI wouldn't amount to 0.1% of the buget. For what is cost a year is the same amount it takes to keep one minuteman missle armed with a nuclear warhead and ready to fire for a month. Some people can't understand it therefore the pressure was on to kill it. Personally I think it was a small price to pay to discover if we aren't alone in the universe. Joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 18:53:50 -0700 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Stefan Stasik Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Stefan Stasik Subject: Addition for the ROM?? and other ramblings.. Hi Guys... Drifting around JP's table on Saturday night at RtA I saw this ONE flyer laying on the table. I have no idea where it came from, or what the deal is with it, but I thought I should post this. I just called the info line listed, and the message was OLD (promoing Return to Atlantis) but It did mention this party as happening in Woonsocket! Hmmm.. sounds like it COULD be the Evolution Phactory site in Nov. 93! That was my FAVE-or-ist rave so far, small, with a good feel. They told me to leave a message for more info, but the Voice Mail was full! (gawk) I guess I will try later this week to see what is up with that. anyways, here is the flyer i have... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ROB Presents: EM-16 Sound + Lighting By Sound Principle LTD. Smart Bar By D.A.L.E DJ's: LUKE II TIM RYAN SAVAS SUR-REAL FRESH BLEND SIR CHARLZ Plus Many Other Special Guests Admission $10 At Door; $8 With Flyer * Chill Zones * Visual Projections * Mega Wattage * Lots Of Candy * Aftervibes Saterday, May *7th* 10 PM - 10 AM Directions and Info: 401-454-6028 -=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= So there it is! Other note: Vanessa, in regards to Butter on Tuesdays: I will try my damndest to drag myself and a couple of freinds over there this Tuesday night to check out the scene, hopefully the hard acid floor won't be closed by then! I can't stay incredibly late (i have to be out the door to work at 7:30 AM), but I will my damnest to get there! Hope to see some Boston ne-ravers there! tippin' on... - Stefan Stefan Stasik ** Brighton Ave., Boston, MA USA ** IRC: DJay ** No Commercial Potential - WZBC 90.3 FM Newton, Mass. sss@netcom.com -* America Is One Big Info-Mercial! *- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 22:05:21 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Michele L Mellott Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Michele L Mellott Subject: Re: HELP! S VA raves? In-Reply-To: yes! yes! southern raves...esp. in nc!!!! anyone with the info? michele ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 22:21:50 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , carmela@UMICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Sam Sunshyne Subject: Re: HELP! S VA raves? In-Reply-To: Your message <199405050207.WAA12204@holmes.umd.edu> of Wed, 4 May 1994 22:05:21 -0400 hey now.... seraves info..... subscribe: listserv@american.edu body of message: subscribe se-raves hope this helps...! ciao! sunshyne ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 22:39:18 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Andrew Bennett Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Andrew Bennett Subject: Summer Meet-While list Hi Everyone... Sorry for the crosspost. For safety's sake, be sure you are replying to me and not to the world if you reply to this. I've started a Summer Meet-While list. It's an informal list of ravers. It purpose is to find and connect with people in territories of the nation you may find yourself in over this summer. This will be the ONLY post about this. Save this email!!! For example, if someone was traveling through the large Delta hub at the Cincy airport, they could take the Meet While list, find my name, contact me, and ask me about stuff, maybe an event, or anything. So how do you participate on this list? It's quite easy. Send me an email message with a subject line of one of the following: #help - gets a simple help file #form - gets the form to follow for inclusion on the list #add - puts the form you got in a special mailbox for me to add to the list at a later date #summer - retrieves a current copy of the list So, in a nutshell:: 1) #form (get the form and fill it out) 2) #add (send it back to me) 3) #summer (get a copy of the list AT ANY TIME!) Naturally, with a working list like this, if you get the list now vs. one week from now, it will be different. I suggest getting a copy of the list as late as possible. I'd also suggest keeping this message. Please bounce this message around to your amigos who may not be on any rave lists due to email volume, but who may want to meet people over the summer. Good luck on finals for those taking them. Peace... Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@phoenix.aps.muohio.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 22:40:10 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: SLURP! Okay folks, Slurp is making a come back! The info right now is kinda sparse, but ... The next issue will be out in mid June The magazine is going Net and Tech This means we are going to have a presence online and we are actively looking for net folks who have something they want to write about The editorial board is now Under, Applejack, Josh Wink and danFREELove That's right, I am going beyond writing the NETherworld column, and am beginning work on all aspects of the magazine. We are working hard to make this thing go over. I have alot of ideas, alot of concepts I want to bring out. Hopefully I will be able to make them all work, I want this magazine to become more than a review of what has happened to a document voicing the spirit of ravers. I will bring alot more information to you guys as soon as I can. Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | anarchy@eng.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 22:35:07 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BPMF@DELPHI.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jason Szostek Subject: the death of SETI Glad to hear that SETI was killed in congress. One down, and about another million more stupid programs to go! "Government is best, that governs least." Jason ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:03:01 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , djentox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Info about Neau URGENT! Help! I need directions for me (Hampton, NH) and Peppermint Patty (Albany, NY) Please post some please! What time does it start? When (do you believe) it might possibly end? Finally, a free party in NH... 'sbeen too long.. Peace! DJ Entox =) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:04:48 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , djentox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: NE-Ravers at Neau! Hey Y'all Anyone going to Neau in NH... wear something that sez yer from Ne-Raves! I know people from Ne-Raves that are going.. support the NH scene (whatever's there) Peace! DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:09:11 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , djentox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME Gee, I wonder why Quaker hasn't done this one yet: What's the hottest thing to bring to a rave? A) Glowsticks B) Whistles C) Caffeine Pills D) A hot bowl Of Quaker Oatmeal The answer is...uh....uh.. D of course! I guess Quaker is hip to the underground.. Peace DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:40:32 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Re: the death of SETI Jason writes: Glad to hear that SETI was killed in congress. One down, and about another million more stupid programs to go! "Government is best, that governs least." I write: Great. And it's moronic judgements like that which made the SSC go down. Fuckin' A. Real bright. SETI may seem like a "stupid program" in the short term, but can you even take a crazy guess as to what the repercussions could be in the long term? Same thing with the SSC--sure, it's a drain on funds, but only someone with a seriously short-term vision could decide it's not worth it. In the long run, it SCREAMS for funds. Perhaps the gov't is too top heavy in legislating morality and such, but you are SO DEAD WRONG when it comes to gov't sponsored research. You wouldn't be e-mailing if it weren't for the gov't funding of early internet. Hell, you wouldn't even have a computer if the gov't hadn't taken the first steps in computer development between the 30s-40s-50s etc. Only the gov't has the funds to support major branches of fundamental research--are you ready to sacrifice the possible future of nuclear fusion because of pork-barrel politics and politicians who somehow forget future opportunity costs in their decisions? Excuse me, I'll shut up now :) Terence ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:54:54 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Derek Tiffany Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Re: HELP! S VA raves? here's the info on SERAVES...how to join, how to get the weekly equiv to the ROM...etc...although, I'm the one who does the ROM and I'm about to go on vacation so I don't know if it's gona be kept up... derek SERAVES on LISTSERV@AUVM.BITNET South East Rave List or LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU This list is dedicated to techno music and the rave scene associated with it, particularly in the Southeastern U.S. It is intended to be a free-form "chatty" mailing list. Suggested topics include reviews of music, raves, dj's, and clubs, as well as announcements of upcoming events. More personal discussions about the rave scene in general are also encouraged To subscribe, send mail to LISTSERV@AUVM.BITNET or LISTSERV@AMERICAN.EDU with the body (not the subject!) containing the command SUB SERAVES Your Name Alternately, if you are on BitNet you can use the TELL command (from a CMS system) or the SEND command (from a VAX system) to LISTSERV@AUVM. Mail sent to SERAVES@AMERICAN.EDU or SERAVES@AUVM.BITNET will be distributed to the entire list. Owners: John Humphrey jrhumphr@eos.ncsu.edu Derek Tiffany tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu Doug Zimmerman DZ5401a@american.edu You can also contact the list owners by sending mail to SERAVES-REQUEST at American. SERAVES also maintains several files that can be accessed without subscribing to the list. Please help us in maintaining them by sending any information or suggesstions to the list or list owners. SERAVES.LOR <- a calendar of upcoming events SERAVES.CLUBS <- a listing of clubs that play techno music on a weekly basis SERAVES.FAQ <- general info that is constantly being asked... SERAVES.STORES <- a listing of "alternative" record stores User Instructions ================= These commands can be sent to the listserv in the following ways: (a) if you are on a VM/CMS system on Bitnet, type: TELL LISTSERV AT AUVM command (b) if you are on a VAX system on Bitnet, type: SEND LISTSERV@AUVM command (c) send the command in the body of a piece of e-mail to: listserv@american.edu To see what files are available: ================================ Using one of the three methods above, send the command: INDEX SERAVES To request a copy of a file: ============================ Using one of the three methods above, send the command: GET fn ft (where fn and ft are the filename and filetype of the file as reported when you do the INDEX command). To request a copy of a file be sent to you whenever it changes: =============================================================== First, using one of the three methods above, send the command: PW ADD password Then, send the command: AFD ADD fn ft PW=password To obtain a copy of an information file via anonymous ftp: ========================================================== Ftp to ftp.american.edu. Logon as: anonymous Give your e-mail address as the password. Type: cd seraves Type: get fn.ft To obtain a copy of an information file via Gopher: =================================================== gopher to auvm.american.edu Other ways to obtain files: =================================================== The LOR is posted once per week to the SERAVES list. finger lor@vnet.net to read the LOR later days and sunny rays... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | ** Reach out, connect ** University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain dErEk if you prefer... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 00:02:55 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: zine article--rave economics and politics hi, i think a timely article should be about rave economics and politics. for example, i would like some details explained about the parties from the promoters and producers points of view. some details i would like explained are typical costs involved for sound, lighting, dj's, promotion, travel, etc. too, i would like to hear about revenue from tickets, booths, etc. this could be done with ticket cost as a discriminator, i.e. categorize the parties by ticket price. other things i'd like to hear about would be producer headaches like zoning, inspectors, police and losing money. how does the producer share this cost? for example, at atlantis joe took a hit at his booth because manny lost money at the party. apparently, joe wasn't expecting to pay this premium and was threatened with lack of future access to parties. is something like this commonplace or only with organizers that we as a tribe should avoid? i think the utility of such an article is obvious given the pleasure dome debacle and given the involvement of our tribe directly in the scene as artists and purveyors. finally, i would like to see a rated list of producers because i want our tribe able to discern quality events from garbage. peace--haZard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 00:47:41 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Francois Dion Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Francois Dion Subject: Re: zine article--rave economics and politics In-Reply-To: <199405050405.AAA13242@holmes.umd.edu> from "brendan mcdougall" at May 5, 94 00:02:55 am Dans la Matrice, brendan mcdougall a dit: > > hi, > > i think a timely article should be about rave economics and politics. for > example, i would like some details explained about the parties from the > promoters and producers points of view. Definitely a good idea. A few months ago, a program on national television (SRC/CBC) called "A tout prix" (At all price) did investigate some rave promoters. These were the bigger rave promoters in Montreal, and the main point was that promoters said "hey, you can make a bundle making raves as long as you pay a few people". Another thing was about the short life of their enterprises as people would eventually get fed up of paying 20$+ for events that are basically a cross of a big club and a small fair/circus or something like that (which i think they are.). Fortunately smaller events rule the city these days. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' IdMEDIA \ Managing: \ Publishing: \ Specialising: CP 312 \ Equation de Base \ Cybernaute \ Multimedia & Telecom St-Lambert, QC \ Francois Dion \ IDM Software \ design, publishing & Canada, J4P 3P8 \ Fuzzy Logic \ Raving Up North \ testing(hard/software) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 06:46:11 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Goldman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Goldman Subject: Re: Flyer Gripe! -Reply Original Message(s): >MESSAGE from =NE-RAVES@UMDD.UMD.EDU 05-MAY-94 6:43 >From: "" >Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 13:09:41 EDT >Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , >Sender: NE Raves Discussion > >what ever happened to STORM RAVE ?? Thunderground ?? Dennis the Menace, >Tominator, Liz Love, Beatriz, Jenna ... are you guys still around ? Under >One Sky ? Catastrophic ??!? Does anyone know where Giovani is these days ?? >--- Giovani, to my knowledge is hanging in DC, and is no way a part of any promotional attempts Now Fernando on the otherhand, promises something big :) "I wanna be a Catastrophic Kid!" John G. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 09:30:46 EST Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Nathan_Tableman@VOYAGER.UMERES.MAINE.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Nathan_Tableman@VOYAGER.UMERES.MAINE.EDU Organization: MacAct, University of Maine Subject: Re: zine article--rave economics and politics I would bw VERY interested in this too. I have often wondered what the motivating force behind promoting a rave. Citizen Kane ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 10:00:00 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Michael Francois (SHA)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Michael Francois (SHA)" Subject: Re: return 2 atlantis In-Reply-To: <199405050120.VAA11773@holmes.umd.edu> It sounds really fucked up to me that someone would expect the vendors to pay for an event that didn't make as much money as expected, or that lost money ... Really fucked up ... If the guy wants to charge vendors for table space, that should be done up front, not on the back end ... just my $0.02 ... Myg ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 10:53:17 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: return 2 atlantis > ok, this is a little late, but i thought i'd post anyway...as you all know > i ran my booth at r2a, and i did pretty well and sold a bunch of things... > however, at the end of the night, manny, the guy running the event, came up > to me and told me he wanted $50 from me since the party didnt go as well as > he expected it to...and he also said he usually asks the vendors to make up > the lost money on his events (which, to me, seems not very fair). Well this doesn't suprise me. Manny isn't exactly known for his love of the scene and the music. It's a business for him to make cash. dave. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 08:13:48 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , SCALIGU1@ITHACA.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: SCALIGU1@ITHACA.BITNET Subject: Good luck over the Summer Had a blast....maybe I'll see some of you over the summer parties. Peace out & Plur about please unsubcribe scaligu1@ithaca.edu thanks ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:11:59 EDT Reply-To: aboulanger@ldgo.columbia.edu Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was aboulang@LAMONT.LDGO.COLUMBIA.EDU From: "Albert G. Boulanger" Subject: [Fwd: FOR SALE: 2 Technics SL-1200 Turntables] Just saw this on the nj.forsale newsgroup... ---------- Begin digest From: jcavery2@pegasus.rutgers.edu (John C Avery II) Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace,nj.forsale,nj.market.misc Subject: FOR SALE: 2 Technics SL-1200 Turntables Date: 2 May 94 04:01:37 GMT Followup-To: rec.music.marketplace Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. *******************************FOR SALE***************************** *TWO TECHNICS 1200'S WITH STANTON 680EL CARTRIDGES & NEEDLES * * $600 FOR THE PAIR ONLY * * ONLY 2 MONTHS OLD * *CONTACT JOHN @ TEL (201) 392-0089 OR EMAIL @ * * dj@pegasus.rutgers.edu * ******************************************************************** - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- - - This message is from: John C Avery II - - - Rutgers University, Newark, NJ, USA - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ---------- From: jcavery2@pegasus.rutgers.edu (John C Avery II) Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace,rec.music.makers.marketplace,nj.forsale Subject: FOR SALE: Carpeted DJ Coffin Date: 29 Apr 94 22:41:48 GMT Followup-To: rec.music.marketplace Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. FOR SALE: One (1) Carpeted DJ Coffin Fits 2 SL-1200s and 1 19" Rack Mount Mixer Used once $100 firm - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- - - This message is from: John C Avery II - - - Rutgers University, Newark, NJ, USA - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ---------- End digest ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:13:12 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: SETI correction.... WE ARE NOT ALONE 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:25:43 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: survival kit hmmm... i carry my trusty backpack to raves. it has everything i need to survive a night of dancing. here's what's in it: 1 bottle of buffered asprin 1 bottle of MAX ALERT 'dreen 2 extra t-shirts (in case i get too sweaty, or someone else needs one) 1 stick right-guard a few DJ mix tapes to trade w/people 1 flashlight (to recover lost stuff) 1 small note pad to scribble on when at the afterparty my goggles my ear protectors my 35mm camera assorted silly things and trip-toy junk so, what do you bring with you???? just wondering. 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 10:49:55 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: NEAU: SOTTO TERRA at the Industry There have been some question as to the location and the price of this party, so I hope you all don't mind, but I'm going to post this flyer again... The party is Friday night from 1:30-8am (maybe later if we get more people). Also, The MORE people that come the better the chance that we can do this again...and again...and again... So get your butts out to Manchester for New England's ONLY HARD EXPERIMENTAL ACID UNDERGROUND!!! There are flyers at Newbury Comics on Newbury Street in Boston and at Boston Beat on Boylston Street. If you can't get a flyer, then just print this one out and show it at the door for TWO $8 admissions. Again, if this goes over well, we're going to do it again and again with guest DJs from NYC... :) :) :) Friday MAY 6th Manchester, NH (617) 424 - 7183 SOTTO TERRA djm@progress.com N E A U presents SOTTO TERRA an afterhours at The Industry ( WAKE THE FUCK UP!) Two rooms of HARD HOUSE, TRIBAL, TRANCE, ACID, AND EXPERIMENTAL GROOVES NOISE CONSTRUCTORS: * Joel (Alien House/NEAU) * Dave-DjM (Space Lab/NEAU) * Spiderman (NEAU) with special guest... * Oshin (RED) PLUS NEAU GUEST DJs: * Fresh Blend (Providence) * Chewbacca (NH) STROBES, ROBOSCANS, MOONFLOWERS, CLAYPAKY, VIDEO SCREENS, SPOTS, DANCE PLATFORMS, FOG and 10,000 WATTS of Sonic Boom!! Time: 1:30am - 8am Cost: $8 w/ flyer (good for 2) $10 w/out DIRECTIONS: (INFO LINE on May 6th ONLY: 617-424-7183) 93 North into New Hampshire and up past exit 5, after exit 5 there will be a fork, one for 93N to continue and one for 293 North, Take 293 North (this branches later also into a right exit so watch for it). Follow 293N to exit 4. At end of ramp, take a left. Look for the Industry Night Club. 865 Second Street on your right. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:36:11 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: Good luck over the Summer cool :) i'm gonna post my summer address asap see you there :) 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 10:41:24 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Natalie J Olkwitz Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Natalie J Olkwitz Subject: Re: Good luck over the Summer In-Reply-To: <199405051508.LAA17625@holmes.umd.edu> from "SCALIGU1@ITHACA.BITNET" at May 5, 94 08:13:48 am this message as well as jenn-bugs reminds me that for about a month i may not have net access so if you want to get a hold of me from May 14th until like midjune you can snail me at: Natali Olkwitz N72 W13906 Good Hope Road Menomonee Falls, WI 53051 and i will have lots of free time so e-mail me your address and i'll send you silly little letters :) HAVE A WONDERMOUS SUMMER!!! *hugZ and SNuGLes* Silly little buttercup P.s. will *smoooch* for mail *hint hint* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:38:16 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Rave economics My personal impression is that, in many cases, promoters must be shovelling their drugs into the rave they promote. If not them directly, then they control which dealers get into/get kept out of an event. It makes a certain economic sense. If, as a promoter, you want the rave to "go off well", then you get 1) the djs 2) the lights 3) the concessions etc 4) the drugs. You make $ off of each step, and #4 is even non-taxable ;) Terence ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 10:46:29 EST Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , NEd_Snappleboy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: NEd_Snappleboy Subject: Re: survival kit In-Reply-To: <9405051531.AA13347@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>; from "ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU" at May 5, 94 11:25 am Lets see...... 1. Gas Mask 2. Goggles 3. X-tra shirt 4. Snapples for friends 5. Flyers..... 6. pad and pen 7. light toys This is fun..........I love backpack toys...... NEd!(Snappleboy!) Chuckles buluga@mentor.cc.purdue.edu SNAPPLES TO YA!!! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:00:09 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , geoffE Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: geoffE Subject: geoffe's summer address Yo mateys, Well, it's that time of year again where I lose net access. This time it may be for awhile now that I am graduating. May be back on soon depending on place of employment or through alumni account. To everyone I have met or will meet, you have been great. Stay strong and keep in touch!!! geoffe 1320 Stafore Dr. Bethlehem, Pa 18017 (610)865-6432 or 433-0503 (If anyone needs to send me anything or needs to get into contact this is where you can do it. I should be getting a beeper soon so you can contact me through that number as well.) :) Peace out. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 12:31:40 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , modE@ALPHA2.CSD.UWM.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: modE@ALPHA2.CSD.UWM.EDU Subject: Re: !!FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ....FAQ... In-Reply-To: <199405032215.SAA27982@holmes.umd.edu> from "brendan mcdougall" at May 3, 94 06:13:56 pm beautiful document. the address for mw-raves changed last january: listserv@csd4.csd.uwm.edu there is no -request alias. the actual list addresses are: mw-raves@csd4.csd.uwm.edu and mw-raves-cal@csd4.csd.uwm.edu thanks... dan. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- modE@csd4.csd.uwm.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:48:46 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Synovial Fluid... In-Reply-To: <199405051510.LAA01467@telerama.lm.com> On Thu, 5 May 1994, Colby Newton wrote: > Ok.. here's the deal on Synovial Fluid (FUEL productions) as > told by an innocent bystander: > > 1) They DO NOT have a space yet, plus there ISN'T a > 50,000sqft warehouse in Pittsburgh, anyhow Wrong. > 2) They ARE NOT getting Apple, however they say they that now > they are getting PAWN (eyeGASM) > > 3) They ARE NOT getting NRGETICS to do the smart bar, > > NRGETICS cancelled...there is a possiblilty of LIQUID > TECHNOLOGY > > 4) They are borrowing more than 50% of their money to throw > the party, plus this is their FIRST event...(no real > experience) > > 5) The only confirmed plan for the whole event is the DJs, > they don't have sound yet, and I don't believe they even made > a deposit for the lights...they are also getting Ryde to spin > supposively but FiNGER spoke to him (finger from the FOOD > group) and he told him he hardly knows anything about the > event... blah blah blah I could go on. > > Basically, this is not meant to lurch out on the promoters or > the event itself, it is just a comment to show the people who are > interested to driving from all over that what you read is not > necessarily what is the truth... I would make sure everything is > totally confirmed on the 11th before making the long trip from out of > state (if you were planning to go) > > HANNiBAL@the FOOD group > (pittsburgh) No offense Hannibal but June 11th is still a bit away. I am not at all suprised that not all is in place yet. Instead of taking the time to post this (which basically is cutting down on Fuel) why not offer to help them out. How they got thier money is of no concern to most of us just so long as the event goes well and everyone gets what is in their contract. Pittsburgh is too small to start a promoter war, in order for things to work out everyone, Millineum, Food, Fuel, Lisa and Little Good vibe, Planetcore, etc have to work together or at least not against each other. I understand you want alot of people to go to Warm Milk this weekend but after all it is your first party (to my knowlege) too. I'll be there and will write a review of it. Lets hope that Fuel can get all pieces in place so we can have some PHAT parties in the 'burg this summer. Joe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:45:13 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , geoffE Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: geoffE Subject: UPCOMING FREIGHTYARD EVENTS Yo cybertribe, Here's a list of events upcoming. If you live in New York, New Jersey or Maryland you are not too far away if you have nothing to do on a weekend. FRIDAYS FATHOM Allentown, Pa (610)433.0503 May 13 - REPETE (NEW YORK CITY) May 20 - Goodwill (Zenith, Delaware) June 3 - Stress (Thunderground) June 10 - REESE (Astralwerks) June 17 - MINIWARP w/ REMY UNGER AND SVEN VAN HEES (Global Cuts/R&S/BELGIUM) June 24 - DAVE TRANCE (Caffeine) July 1 - MICRO (Caffeine) July 29 - TIMEWARP 4: The Splashdown Already confirmed JOEY BELTRAM, KEOKI, SCOTT HENRY. More T.B.A. in the near future. *Always phone for directions, door cover and schedule changes/additions. SATURDAYS DEEPER Allentown, Pa (610)433.0503 ZOOM (215)998.9650 OUTERSPACE PRODUCTIONS (908)506.9592 DJ's MARK M, MIKO and geoffe spin the deepest of DEEP HOUSE, ACID JAZZ and FUNK. May 7 - Free before 11 p.m./$3 after 11p.m. May 14 - Free before 10:30 p.m./$3 after 10:30p.m. w/ invite $5 w/out Every Saturday afterwards: $3 before 10:30 w/pass - $5 w/out $5 after 10:30 w/pass - $7 w/out June 18 - Special guest DJ PEER (member of D:Ream/Obsession/Birmingham,UK) Always phone for upcoming information and directions. After parties every week until 8 a.m. in secret Allentown location by Mark M.(So if you're on your way home from a party, stop by) That's all from here, geoffe(Fathom/Deeper/WLVR-FM/FURTHUR) GSC1@Lehigh.Edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 14:40:23 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Christophe Tokar Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Christophe Tokar Subject: Re: Flyer Gripe! -Reply In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 2 May 1994 15:34:21 -0400 Hullo everyone, I have just begun to learn how use to the ne-raves list, the discussion group, etc, (ITS REALLY COOL) and I am sorry to say that I will be leaving school ( I go to rutgers) for the summer, and the only way I will have access is through my fathers fossil at home which is a really slow thing. I will use it to check mail, send letters, but its too slow for anything else. Some of you may remember me from the the discussion group as "phatfrequency" or Chris. I will be back in the fall but in the meantime, if anyone needs to get in touch with me for rides to events or anything else, feel free to do so: Christopher Tokar 32 Woodcrest Rd. Boonton, NJ 07005 stone32@delphi.com ( home email) (201) 335-4648 Later, ;) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 15:02:39 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , netmag Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Net Mag Subject: Sputnik IV vending/Speedracer To Joe (Speedracer) and all others concerned, Satellite Productions (Sputnik IV) are Scott Richmond and Jonathan Kadish (Mr. Kleen). We are also associated with Up North Productions in Poughkeepsie and have a club called "Fusion" on Friday nights in New Paltz (NY). There are many people who work for us and with us in different capacities. However, NO ONE has any influence over us as far as who we book as DJs, what our flyers look like, etc. and, of course, no one can tell us who can and cannot have concessions at Sputnik IV. We are sorry if you felt manipulated in any way, and have expressed our displeasure with Manny's actions. Anyone who wants to do concessions at Sputnik IV mearly has to leave their name and phone number on our hotline (212 465 3299) or E-mail us at NETMAG@AOL.COM and we will make arrangements. Looking forward to seeing you all on June 11th! plur, Jonathan & Scott ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 15:54:38 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Re: Rave economics >My personal impression is that, in many cases, promoters must be shovelling >their drugs into the rave they promote. If not them directly, then they >control which dealers get into/get kept out of an event. It makes a certain >economic sense. If, as a promoter, you want the rave to "go off well", >then you get 1) the djs 2) the lights 3) the concessions etc 4) the drugs. >You make $ off of each step, and #4 is even non-taxable ;) > >Terence > > I missed the original post that started this but that notwithstanding...... What are you nuts??????? As one who is intimately familiar with club owners and promoters getting involved with drug sales is the kiss of death. Not that some don't, but I suspect that it is _very_ much the exception. I have personally seen Scotto pull a crank dealer out of the line and tell him he wasn't welcome. I've seen club security take 100 hits of E and give them to a buddy thug who left the scene. It's not that the promoters are against drugs, in fact usually quite the opposite. But to be involved tot he extent of making $$$ from it...no way. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. woof ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:55:33 GMT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dan English Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dan English Subject: Re: Rave economics as far as promoters making profits off the drugs: i know a whole bunch of rave promoters, and i don't know any who a) directly sold drugs at their own event (too much else to do, and if busted, t hey would be super screwed) or b) made a "commision" off anyone dealing at their parties. i just havent seen it happen. i have heard it talked about to keep certain dealers out of an event, but thats because they had bad reputations. this is just speaking from my experience, probably others have seen worse. -camper. camper english camper@buphy.bu.edu yuck. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 16:04:58 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Ian Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Ian Subject: vrave? Not sure where else to ask this.. What's up with vrave lately? I can connect to techno.stanford.edu's normal port, but the vrave port just sits there.. Is it just down, or has it moved to another port? Thanks, ian ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 16:13:12 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: Rave economics i wish i could add my stories to this list, but in a nutshell.... my experiences with drugs at raves are as follows (when teh promoters are concerned)... "Drugs???? What drugs???? Never seen any here!" yeah, right as long as the cops don't hassle, they don't SEEM to care 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 16:28:31 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Re: Rave economics OK. Assume for the sake of discussion that the promoters themselves do not sully themselves with drug trade. Fine. Do you expect me to believe, however, that promoters aren't aware of the fact that dealers get into the event to sell stuff? Of course they are aware of this, and you would be hard pressed to convince me that promoters don't benefit to some degree from the sale of drugs at their events--maybe not financially, but at least in the "vibe" they benefit. Secondly, who dictates door policy? True, you can't necessarily tell a drug dealer just by looking at him or her. Nonetheless, a pretty summary search will turn up what someone is carrying. So if a promoter doesn't set up strict door policy, I would say it is in _part_ to let in drugs. Don't get me wrong. Although drugs are illegal, I believe this nation's policies are totally flawed. I personally believe that the government should not ban the use of drugs as it has. Perhaps a good solution would be "drug education" and a "tripping license", in the same way that we should take classes and a test to see if we are capable and responsible enough to drive a car. I'm not saying that promoters are baaaaaaaad for letting drugs into their events, I'm simply playing devil's advocate... peace, terence ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 16:43:00 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "sean kelly `94" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "sean kelly `94" Subject: Re: survival kit In-Reply-To: <199405051546.LAA18337@holmes.umd.edu> Good question. The things I bring to pretty much every rave are: a plastic gatorade bottle w/water (it fits easily in any sink) 1 bottle no doz (or max alerts if I have them) a bandanna (handy as a hankerchief) 1 box of earplugs some blow-pops (to give to people) a squeeze-flashlight (to find stuff) a pen a vicks inhaler (for that late nite pick-me-up :) ) a toothbrush and toothpaste (really great at the end of the night) random trip toys (depends on what walked away and what I've found recently) other stuff depends on the event (do you think they'd let me bring in a backpacking stove for warm morning snacks? :) ) :) Sean ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 17:06:37 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Rave economics In-Reply-To: <199405052013.QAA23207@holmes.umd.edu> ~ Well I am sure dieselBoy has some stories about being burned by promoters. So do I. Joe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 17:19:11 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: Rave economics In-Reply-To: <199405052107.RAA23964@holmes.umd.edu> On Thu, 5 May 1994, Joe LeSesne wrote: > Well I am sure dieselBoy has some stories about being burned by > promoters. So do I. i thought this discussion was about promoters handling drugs at their parties? unless you're saying that promoters weren't letting you or dieselboy deal in their party (neither of you deal as far as i know) then what does your comment have to do with the discussion? i'm sure promoters know that drugs are brought in and sold at their parties, but do you think that they really do too much about it? i don't think kris clark would've let whoever sold all that smacky e at 10 if he would've known that the e was bad! why would he want people crawling around on the floor? that's not a vibe. sure, if all e was pure, then i could see where a promoter would welcome dealers, but i don't think they really even think about it too much. i know a lot of the nyc dealers got a lot of good e taken away at the door at yellow, for instance. i thin kdrugs are a side show from the economics of raves. different people feed off of parties in that way. chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 17:44:09 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Andy Cerutti Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Andy Cerutti Subject: Re: Rave economics Uhhh, I find this whole topic very interesting, and well...uhhhh, you guys have some very good _opinions_ into it. But given the nature of this topic, and the real truths of this aspect of the scene which most people dont need to know about nor would be able to fathom, I dont really think that this discussion is really going to resolve too much. I am just sitting here laughing at some, andkeeping myself back from what i _could_ say..... so my point? It doesnt involve you, and if it ever does this whole arrangement(?) will be something that will not have to be explained to you!!! so just dont worry about it!!! phew just had to say _something_ :) peace andy c ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 18:10:30 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Re: Rave economics -Reply Promoting Digital Deviant Parties are Do you wanna go on the greatest musical trip of your life? If people want to bring drugs to the party, fine! I don't use them but I don't think they shiuld be illegal. And I never tried getting a dealer to come sell at my parties. Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 18:10:35 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Derek Tiffany Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Re: Rave economics >OK. Assume for the sake of discussion that the promoters themselves do >not sully themselves with drug trade. first of all, it is impossible to generalize anything about all promoters... if you think every rave in every city works the same way and all promoters operate the same...you obviously don't have a clue... i am a promoter and I would never think of dealing at my own events...I, like most promoters, spend the entire time durring my events running around making sure everything is ok...dealing with the MANY problems as they come up...I just would not have the time to deal...not to mention how stupid that would be...since if it is a legal rave, you would risk getting the whole thing shut down and if it is an illegal event then you are doubly asking for it... >Fine. Do you expect me to believe, >however, that promoters aren't aware of the fact that dealers get into >the event to sell stuff? Of course they are aware of this, (etc etc) OK...first off, the promoters don't always set the attendance policies...often it is the owners of the space who decide that... secondly, it is not so easy to tell who is bringing in substances...for example, at Resolution people were selling E in little Sweet Tart packages... the only door policy that would prohibit all dealers would be to not let ANYONE bring ANYTHING in...no water bottles, no candy, NOTHING...which is one of the worst things for a promoter to do...otherwise, if people want to get things in...they will >I'm not saying that promoters are baaaaaaaad for letting drugs >into their events, I'm simply playing devil's advocate... I'm siply saying get a clue...don't generalize things about promoters...we're all different...I won't say that there aren't any promoters out there who make $$ of drug sales...but I only know of one off-hand that does...hell, most of us don't even make any money off our events at all... later days and sunny rays, -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFaNydE@urvax.urich.edu | This space for rent University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain derek if you prefer ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 18:23:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Derek Tiffany Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Re: Rave economics >My personal impression is that, in many cases, promoters must be shovelling >their drugs into the rave they promote. If not them directly, then they >control which dealers get into/get kept out of an event. It makes a certain >economic sense. If, as a promoter, you want the rave to "go off well", >then you get 1) the djs 2) the lights 3) the concessions etc 4) the drugs. >You make $ off of each step, and #4 is even non-taxable ;) 1) no, I pay them...not making any money there 2) no, I pay them as well...alot actually 3) no, I let them in for free 4) well, I guess the dealers usually pay to get in...but no more then anyone else later days and sunny rays, -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFaNydE@urvax.urich.edu | This space for rent University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain derek if you prefer ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:07:58 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: survival kit In-Reply-To: <199405052043.QAA23512@holmes.umd.edu> from "sean kelly `94" at May 5, 94 04:43:00 pm let me see i bring : pen and paper for phone #'s water bottle camera -as long as its not an A.C.M.E. Lab prod jacket- in winter t-shirt tons of toys slinky yo-yo fruit or healthy shacks vicks inhalor and thats about it oh yeah and baby powder for those dot-so-smooth floors mighty ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:25:54 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Hmmmmmmmmmm....." Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hmmmmmmmmmm....." Subject: my survival kit ok : 1. roll of toilet paper 2. extra set of clothes 3. bottle of water 4. cigarettes and extra cigarettes 5. watchamacalit (bad speling :)) 6. candy candy candy 7. extra comfy backpack *=============Andrea==========ilithien@eden.rutgers.edu=======================* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:49:13 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: Re: survival kit In-Reply-To: <199405051530.LAA18023@holmes.umd.edu> i remember.. many months ago... we were all talking about "what's in our bags at raves"... and.. around the same time.. ed(slip) made a comment about how discussions and threads on mailing lists repeat themselves every few months... it's been happening so much lately here that i couldn't help but to comment and tip hat (err.. 303) to ed.. :) peace >>taylor.x.o.xo.xoxoxox ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:53:44 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: Re: survival kit In-Reply-To: <199405052043.QAA23512@holmes.umd.edu> while on the subject... in my baggie: 1: baby bottle of favorite drink 2: laser pen 3: basil (that little pink rubber bear i bring to raves) 4: otto (that smiley ball that fluid loves so) 5: extra shirt 6: pen and pad for musical inspiration note taking and sometimes: 7: aspirin 8: my cds if i happen across someone importan 9: $$ for smartdrinks xo >>taylor ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 20:19:55 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , netmag Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Net Mag Subject: SPUTNIK IV - JUNE 11th, 1994 SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS *********************************************** SPUTNIK IV SATURDAY JUNE, 11 ************************** DJ LINEUP ************* SVEN VAN HEES & REMY UNGER (Global Cuts/R&S Records Belgium) LUKE SLATER (GPR Recordings/U.K.) DJ EFX AND DJ DIGIT (3RD Floor Prod./San Francisco) DERRICK CARTER (Organico Records/Chicago) DJ DUKE (ffrr Records/NYC) FRANKIE BONES (Groove Records/Brooklyn) KEOKI (Moonshine Music/NYC) JOHN ACQUAVIVA (+8 Records/Detroit/Toronto) WINK (Ovum/Philadelphia) SCOTT HENRY (Fever/Baltimore/D.C.) ABRAXAS (Fierce Ruling Diva/Holland/NYC) TIGA (DNA/Montreal) MR KLEEN (Satellite/NET/NYC) SCOTT RICHMOND (Satellite/NET/NYC) MGEE (Primary Productions/Boston) ENTITY (Ultraworld/Baltimore) <<<<<>>>>> (Industrial Strength Recording Artists) ****************************************************** ***LIGHTING*** APOLLO ***FULL COLOR AND ARGON LAZERS*** LAZER REFLECTIONS *** VISUALS***: FACTORY (Orlando, FL), MELON DEZIGN (Philadelphia, PA), I-STRAIN (Miami, FL), TERMINAL THREE DEE (Knocksville, TN) 2 SEPARATE DANCE FLOORS IN TWO ROOMS ***LOCATION*** MID HUDSON CIVIC CENTER POUGHKEEPSIE,NY (fully airconditioned-Seating provided) ***TICKET LOCATIONS*** Brooklyn: Groove 718-714-5232 / Manhattan.: Subtopia 212-431-6718 / S.I.: E.C.B. 718-448-8207 / Providence: Luna Sea 401-272-luna / Phili: 611 Records 215-413-9100 / Poughkeepsie: U.N. 914-256- 0445 / White Plains: Mad Grill 914-683-9378 / D.C.: Music Now 202-638-3272 / Baltimore: Modern Music 410-523-1882 / Boston Beat 617-561-4790 / New Paltz: Jacks Rythms 914-255-1082 / Albany: Music Shack 518-436-4581 / New Brunswick: Planet X 908-249-0304 / L.I.: DJ Records 516-667-1112 / Toronto: X static 416-599-3851 / Montreal: Juan & Juanita 514-847-2292 TICKETS ON SALE THROUGH JUNE 10th---DAY OF EVENT TICKETS AVAILABLE AT DOOR $18 in advance $20 at the door ***PROMOTION AND BUSES*** <> KC and the Sunrise Gang 207-773-6979 / Raving Maniacs 207-942-0287 <> Dannyboy 617-881-3797 / Primary 617-499-7765 / Framingham: Vibe Tribe 508-877-0790 <> Hartford: United Techno 203-646-6381 / Stamford: Atom Warped 203-454-6643 <> Sugarbear 401-454-6078 / Oracle 401-454-6002 <> Satellite 212-465-3299 / Alan Sanctuary and the Primal Posse 212-696-8938 / Trust Invention 212-631-3533 / Brooklyn: Curios George 718-644-9043 / S.I.: FBI 718-390-7107 / Scooter 212-479-7760 / Poughkeepsie:Up North 914-256-0445 / Westchester:Eponymous 914-941-7569 / Albany: Big Dipper 518-465-6381 / Birth 518-43-Birth / L.I.: Island Vibe Nassau: 516-292-0649 / Suffolk: 516-476-1194 / Syracuse: Kilowatts/Chameleon 315-475- 8239 <> Mars 908-506-9592 / E-Force 201-295-1925 / Zinzee 908-938-9633 / <> 611 Records 215-413-9100 / T.H.C. 215-586-0939 / Allentown: Geoffe 610-758- 9969 / New Cumberland: Click 717-770-0241 / <>Zenith 302-764-9272 <> Ultraworld 410-880-7031 <> D.C.:Rob Rave/Bohemia 202-338- 5638 / Teri & Sean 202-466-1661 / Deanna 202-452-7639 <> Transfused 804-768-2000 / Vikki 804-625-2880 <> Cincinnati: Bob-a-dob 513-648-9467 / Cleveland:Funky Alien Gizmo 216-238-1451 / Doodle Bug 614-597-7551 <> Those Meddling Kids 606-281-4193 <> Drop Bass Network 414-777-3998 <> Lexington: Bluegrass 606-281- 4193 / Knoxville: Dweeze 615-524-2448 / Nashville: B.A.M. 615-780-3730 <> Atlanta: Chamber of Dreams 404-250-8230 <> Rainbow 919-512-2953 / Barron 910-334- 1546 <>The Alternative Record Store 813-977-6383 <> Montreal:DNA 514- 854-6446 / Harmony 514-982-9010 / Toronto:X-static (Alan) 416-599-3851 ***ASTRALWERKS AFTERHOURS*** ***************************************** OSHEEN,DJ REESE,DAVE TRANCE,TROPOSPHERE,DJ SPROUT,RYDE LOCATION:Hudson Valley Skate Park, Newburgh, NY Free to sputnik ticket holders or with afterhours flyer. Breakfast will be served. Directions will be made available in coming weeks. ***FOR ANY OTHER INFO CALL*** SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS (212)465-3299 UPNORTH (914)256-0445 E-MAIL NETMAG@AOL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 20:34:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Re: Rave economics -Reply Anyone attending Phoenix on Saturday e-mail me ASAP! I have to get the guest list together. I have about 8 names you know who you are but just re e-mail me with the people you are coming with. The guest list entitles you to not have to wait in line, last time at Spice the line was a bitch. Also advanced tickets will not have to be purchased as I'll be at the door with your tickets. Tickets will still be the same price $15 You should take advantage of this for the line reason, the no rushing to the record store reason, and so I can met all the fellow members of the CYBERTRIBE and you all get to meet me!. Sound cool? Take it light, Dan DC P.S. Even if you e-mailed me earlier in the week do it again, I don't want to miss anyone, that would be a bitch right and I will confirm I got your letter. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 20:44:04 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Re: rave economics Oops..sorry about that previous post :( total bs Terence ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 21:05:40 +0400 Reply-To: Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Rave economics In-Reply-To: <199405052119.RAA24104@holmes.umd.edu> On Thu, 5 May 1994, secret agent #33 wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 1994, Joe LeSesne wrote: > > > Well I am sure dieselBoy has some stories about being burned by > > promoters. So do I. > > i thought this discussion was about promoters handling drugs at their > parties? Nope, you thought wrong. The orignal message asked for submissions for an article about (as the subject says) Rave economics not drug sales at raves. Joe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 22:30:45 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Goldman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Goldman Subject: Re: survival kit As to bringing a camping stove to a rave for warm morning snacks... My friends and I brought a coffee maker and made coffee around 8am at SMIII. Was Awesome What I carry in my backpack: DayRunner (oh so organized) Max Alerts Ginseg Root pills Flyers Toothbrush extra Tshirt Cell Phone Pens Pens PEns Water bottle Same as anyone else I suppose laters John G. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 22:38:26 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Goldman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Goldman Subject: Re: Rave economics I think Derek hits the nail right on the head... There is no way to generalize about promoters and politics at Raves. As a promoter I can understand where drugs play a role, as at one of the largest parties I was involved with, people were smoking green and getting all fucked up and not dancing. Killed the vibe somthing fierce. Our door policies are generally, no markers, no glass, no alcohol. Thats it. We check bags for that and that only. Plus there are sooooooo many ways to get anything in you want, that it is pointless to try. Pointless to try and prevent it anyways... And as knowing what ravers are about and the general attitudes towards drugs,I wouldnt want to keep out all drugs because imagine abig party where everyone was going "where's so and so with their so and so?" I cant find my E, oh no! Would be riots! :) Anyways There is much behind the scenes that lots of people dont see, and as for dealing at parties, promoters have TOO many things to do that night instead of dealing.... John G. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 22:59:00 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Nosho Sannyas Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Nosho Sannyas Subject: Re: GOA Goes To Oz???????yea! In-Reply-To: <199405040628.CAA01448@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Cal Eastman" at May 4, 94 2:18 am so my friend you know where party is tonight...? little vagator? boom boom > > > > > Hey Gang, > > > > This just came over the Oz Rave mailing list and seemed kinda interesting: > > > > Jamie sez: > > >Pop (the fabled hairdresser up here) told me that a few Goan DJ type > > >dudes are buying land up here on the North Coast in the hills behind > > >Mullumbimby to settle here permanently. It seems the Goa situation is > > >getting worse all the time and the vibe has gone, and some of them have > > >decided to try and move over to my part of the world and try and get the > > >same thing happening up here. > > > > >hahahahaha! Sucked in to all you dudes in Sydney! :) > > > > >Anyway, it seems there should be more of the same. This one went well > > >into the morning, and I am told dancing to that bassy dubby Goa sound in > > >a rainforst as the some comes up, t'ing off yer face is something to behold. > > > > So - from this it seems that GOA is slowly dying - or at least is dying to the > > ideals held by those who originally set it up - and that some of them are > > moving to the back lands in Oz. Not desert there, as you may have guessed, but > > lush tropical forest and such. Could this be true? I can only hope - this > > would be a *good thing(tm)* if it happened as I hope to be back in Oz around > > 1998 for the 1999 & 2000 New Years Eve bashes AND the Sydney 2000 Olympics. > > Man, the parties that are gonna happen then.... :) > > > > > > Grant > > > > Most Quoted Oz-Raver Line In History: > > "we are not conforming to the social ideal of non conformity" - > VicZ > > > > freaks have been going to goa for 30 some years now and partying on > the beach- long before techno and raves came around-and i think it > will continue long after raves have made way for the next psycadelic > dance culture. > From what ive heard last season was good, the season before was good > until january, and when i was there it was kickin ass (in 1992)) until > well after new years-.. the problems started that year when folks > decided not to pay off the police for a party- which screwed up the > rest of the season- > > anyway- the best raves i was ever at were on teh beaches of goa- and > any ex-pats will continue to party and hang in goa long after the > "scene" has officially moved on > peaceout > -- > Boom shiva > mahalinga nataraj > :) > (puffiness 4evah) > -- .....NEuRONauTic InsTItuTe........ SpACe ......ThE TeStiNg NeVEr StOps........ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 23:02:37 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ebh@SUMMIT.NOVELL.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Ed Horch Subject: Re: survival kit In-Reply-To: <199405052352.TAA25555@holmes.umd.edu> from "a big silver fish" at May 5, 94 07:49:13 pm > ed(slip) made a comment about how discussions and threads on > mailing lists repeat themselves every few months... > i couldn't help but to comment and tip hat (err.. 303) to ed.. *blush* -Ed ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 03:49:12 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Adam Darby Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: Resent-From: Adam Darby Comments: Originally-From: Adam Darby From: Adam Darby Subject: Rave poem Here is a poem that i wrote for class...it is a sestina, meaning that the last word in each line must be repeated throughout the poem (just read it, you will get what i mean). Reviews are welcome! Ravin' Another Sunday night at home working? No! 'cuz tonight there is a rave! Putting on my gear in excitement "Look at my shoes, man! I'm hardcore" Baggy clothes allowing freedom of movement Get in the car! Let's go! Sitting in the car - stop. Go. Stop. Go. The gears in my mind already working Hearing the music, seeing my movements Can't wait, hurry up, get us to the rave! Getting in the mood, listening to some hardcore My body shaking with excitement We arrive - I'm at the peak of excitement Show our tickets, and in we go The DJ roars "Are you hardcore?" I skip onto the dance floor, my body working Twisting and sliding and bouncing as I rave You wouldn't think I was capable of such movement The next DJ spins some ambient - slowing down my movements Not as fast, but maintaining my level of excitement Sipping on a smart drink, enjoying the rave Some of the posers are starting to go Hold on - this slower stuff ain't working Put on some breakbeat! Make mine hardcore! The masses have thinned - now who's hardcore? Breakbeat spurs our speedy movement Triple time my heart is working Rapid pulse beats in excitement Dancing, dancing, go, go, GO! Ooooo baby I love to rave...* It's about 6 am, the ending of the rave "Look at my blisters, man - I'm hardcore!" Wrapping it up, it's time to go Oh, I'm so tired, sluggish in my movements Wait! There's an after party! Refill my excitement! Man, this sure beats working... Rave on! Never cease the movement Hear the hardcore, feel the excitement Another one? Let's go! Screw working! *This line is to be said to the tune of "Baby I Love Your Way" by Peter Frampton. _______________________________________________________________________________ _Adam Darby "To dance, above all, is to enter into the motions of life. It is an action, a movement, a process. The dance of life is not so much a metaphor as a fact; to dance is to know oneself alone and to celebrate it." -Sherman Paul Rave Rave Rave Rave Rave Rave Rave Rave On On On On On On On On On On On On On! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 06:09:54 -0400 Reply-To: jsquared Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: jerry marvin haws Subject: KenFuNky Fried Houseparty reschedulization a deep down underground event to make some money for lazery goodness at Interstellar Outback- $5 a head, just a back to basics killer sound gig with some christmas tree lights and tinfoil decorations... unbustable space & backups, priority to the vibe, and crash space for netravers of all shapes & sizes. the meddling kids tell jsquared to sit the fuck down & watch 'em go to town. June 3rd, a FRIDAY, like on your way to richie's birthday party or whatever tickles your fancy... wheeling the steel will be : ASTROBOY, STRETCH, & DAVE HOLLANDS... all headlining, all kicking it. You know astro, you know dave, and Stretch is 'that wacky new kid' from st louis who tore up so bad at escape... more info to be posted later... like even directions & shit for info 606.281.4193 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 06:10:40 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: HOM-Too :) Hey kiddies :) Welp, another week comes to a close...and another weekend of raving opens up excitement and possibility...are ya up for it?! :) It's not a secret, the summer will be AMAZING!!!!!!! I just know it...everything the scene's been lacking is and will come back thanks to dedicated promoters and DJs willing to sacrifice a bit for all of us... Well, here's the HOM....hopefully I'll be at RCS...[although since I'm not sure if I want to go with the person that I was supposed to..well, we'll see...] HUGZ to all of you! Luv ya! Melzie aka Resident Coconut-Cheesecake **************************************************************************** EAST COAST HOM OF THE WEEK **************************************************************************** mail melzie@wam.umd.edu for changes and/or additions --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, May 6 GRAVITY 2 Harrisburg, PA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Smeddy smart bar smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 7 A RAVE CALLED SCOTT PA --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mikey ms5414@ark.ship.edu Melzie [with cool friend from home :) ] melzie@wam.umd.edu DJ Panik [AFTER PARTY!!!] panik@access.netaxs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 7 MANTRAS Princeton U. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mars aka Marshal [SPINNIN'] mhv@cvnja.jazz.att.com Jennifer Smeddy smart bar smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 7 PHOENIX New York -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Baxter poo284@psilink.com Liza [NEEDS RIDE-2] ldaly@cs.bu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 14th Rage Harrisburg, Pa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Smeddy smart bar smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Friday, May 20 THE AWAKENING Ashbury Park, NJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mars [SPINNIN!] a176@lehigh.edu Jenn-bug [Doin' Smart Bar!] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 21 MYSTERY MACHINE Allentown, PA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jenn-bug [Doin smart bar!] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, June 2 RAVE THE BAY Baltimore Harbor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allen Menegay escapist@owlnet.rice.edu Melzie melzie@wam.umd.edu Peekay pereira@seas.gwu.edu Bob Baxter p00284@psilink.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ August 28 ARIA North Carolina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jenn-Bug [Doin Smart Bar] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 08:27:00 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Michael Francois (SHA)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Michael Francois (SHA)" Subject: Re: survival kit In-Reply-To: <199405052043.QAA23512@holmes.umd.edu> What do I bring to a rave? 2 bottles of water 2 Bandanas 1 Glow stick on-a-string 1 Pocket Simon (tm) 4 Apples (nothin' better at the after party!!) 1 lighter 1 pipe :) 1 notebook and pen 1 bag to carry it all in!! Myg ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 03:03:28 +0000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Jules Marshall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jules Marshall Subject: save the blubbery-things >Subject: save the blubbery-things >To: pyramid.com!leri ( leri), netcom.com!nexus-gaia (meta-list nexus), > UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU!FUTUREC (futureculture) >Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 13:15:28 +1000 (EST) >From: hacktic!lux.latrobe.edu.au!hiscdcj (Dwayne) >X-Master-Race: the cheese! the cheese! >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] >Sender: hacktic!netcom.com!owner-nexus-gaia >Precedence: list > >: >: SAVE WHALES NOW - PLEASE READ THIS - YOU CAN HELP !!! >: >: Hi, >: >: If you're interested in saving whales, please join me in building a huge >: email petition which will be presented to the World Whaling Federation >: in it's next sitting in mexico, real soon now ( May some time ). >: >: The deal is, that there are japaneese companies who wish to make >: the breeding grounds down south in the Antarctic, one >: of the three left in the world, into a whaling region. This would be >: most disasterous as there is little posibility of the whales learning >: of the other whale breeding areas in time to save the few families ( pods ) >: that remain in the southern oceans as it is. Thus they will be lost >: for ever. >: >: To lodge your name in the petition, please fill out the following form, >: to the best of your ability (honestly) with whatever detail you feel >: comfortable with ( the more the better, as your entry may need to be >: verified by either us or the WWF at some time ) and return it to us via. >: either voice by phoning your details in to us on; >: >: +61 2 968 4333 >: >: or fax it to; >: >: +61 2 968 4334 >: >: email it to us at ; >: >: whales@geko.com.au >: >: email is preferred as we will be putting all the entries received on >: a CD and sending it to the wwf at the end of the first week in may. >: >: Please keep the relevant details for each field on the same line >: as the relevant field as we will be stripping out the data and pumping >: it into a massive international database which will be used by a >: DOS / Mac / Unix / VM / MVS / VMS program that will be provided to >: the wwf on the CD so that they can print out the list in a report, >: view entries on the screen, and about a million other functions that >: the gang here have built into the most amazing suite of tools, all in >: the want to make it as easy as possible for the wwf to gain access to >: this most important data! >: >: We want to get 90% of the internet on this database, so keep passing >: the message, we only have a week, and it will disappear fast! >: >: NOTE: your entry will be kept confidential, we will be placing a world >: wide copyright on the CD and related information, which will legally >: prevent your ( or any other ) details and such from being stolen and >: misused ( ie. in a sales database ) and we guarantee that you will not >: immediately receive half of the south east asian forests in your mail >: box in the form of junk mail for computer products ( god forbid ! ). >: >: Now, please please please pass this message in any form, ie, email, ftp, >: cp, print, fax, voice etc. to as many folks as you can, this is a last >: effort to save an inredible thing, which you can personally help !! >: >: thanks, >: >: Dez Blanchfield >: geko@geko.com.au >: >: -----THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FOR YOU TO COPY, USE THE BLANK FOLLOWING IT ---- >: >: FIRSTNAME: Dez >: >: LASTNAME : Blanchfield >: >: SEX(M/F) : Male >: >: AGE : 26 >: >: ADDRESS : Unit 3, 56 Raglan Street, Mosman, NSW 2088, Australia >: >: PHONE # : +61 2 968 4333 / +61 18 412 666 >: >: COMMENTS : I can't stand whaling in any form !!! >: >: ------CUT FROM HERE, FILL IN AND EMAIL TO [whales@geko.com.au]---------- >: >: FIRSTNAME: >: >: LASTNAME : >: >: SEX(M/F) : >: >: AGE : >: >: ADDRESS : >: >: PHONE # : >: >: COMMENTS : >: >: >: >: > > > >if we do not hold on to hedonism, we will lose our souls. -- mordwyn > >.sig under construction internet---> hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au > irc--------> ddraig on #leri in undernet > > Mediamatic Magazine Mediamatic Interactive Publishing Mediamatic On Line P.O. Box 17490 1001 JL Amsterdam The Netherlands voice: +31-20 6266262 fax: +31-20 6263793 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 09:44:48 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Handi-boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Handi-boy Subject: here's a question for you On the Rave New World CD...... Is the song Presence by SPi the Mortal Kombat song? Cause it sure sounds exactly like it....from the commercial and everything... Inquiring minds want to know.... Don't forget to drink Kool-Aid... -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 10:01:29 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: roasting marshmallows jussaminit... did anyone here go to the PHASE II party at Caffeine on New Years??? did you stay a long time??? do you remember me??? i was sitting in the back room roasting marshmallows with lollipop sticks and a candle ther were three girls there too roasting marshmallows with me??? jusswonderin... 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 10:13:18 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: here's a question for you The mortal kombat song is differant... Presence by SPi is the tune that the Street Fighter II commercial used... whwn i first bought Rave New World, i liked it, then i wore thin quickly... now i sorta like it again... "It goes in circles." -(can anybody name the film this line is famous for) 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 10:30:43 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Handi-boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Handi-boy Subject: Re: here's a question for you In-Reply-To: <9405061415.AA12152@media.mit.edu>; from "ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU" at May 6, 94 10:13 am ok cool, i thought it was one of those fighting games :) how much money do you make off something like that? (ie getting someone to pick it up for a commercial) (and no crappy....if it's on tv it must suck comments, i already know that) (except tv can be good...) -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:11:05 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: here's a question for you when you use your music in a commercial, there are several deals that can be made. the cheapest deal still makes you rich(er) than you used to be. pop-ish "rave" techno makes a lot of cash, but need i say more about what the underground and soul-driven techno artists fel about that? 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:16:23 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: dancing Clones i have to get this off my mind... at the computer terminals in front of me, there ate two girls that are so alike, i would put money on the fact that they are clones. yes! clones! they do everything at the same speed, look idenitical, and go everywhere together... wouldn't it be funky to watch them dance at a rave? i mean, they would do the same thing in almost mirror-like movements! what if they were DJs? that would be a hell of an act! they could perform on 4 turntables... and you wouldn't know which one was spinning! i dunno... it's just strange how IDENTICAL some people can be, and how unusual a phenomenon that is... (cleared of mind and soul, for now) 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:37:44 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: SETI In-Reply-To: <199405042324.TAA11110@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Jason Szostek" at May 4, 94 7:19 pm What do you mean SETI is a waste of money- besides teh fact that it has been gutted this year- research always brings benifits- and what if we find someone? - waitin for the zero-g raves- peaceout -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:43:53 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: the death of SETI In-Reply-To: <199405050251.WAA12607@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Jason Szostek" at May 4, 94 10:35 pm > > Glad to hear that SETI was killed in congress. > One down, and about another million more stupid programs to go! > > "Government is best, that governs least." > > Jason > though i agtree with the jefferson quote it is misapplied here- jefferson was refering to laews that limit the options of human behavior- SETI was not about governing, but exploration- sometjhing jefferson supported and funded quite heavily while he was president. otherwise the center of this country would still be french speaking -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:01:27 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Natalie J Olkwitz Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Natalie J Olkwitz Subject: Re: save the blubbery-things In-Reply-To: <199405061338.JAA00285@holmes.umd.edu> from "Jules Marshall" at May 6, 94 03:03:28 am Hey there, I just wanted to let you know that i am President of our Students for Animal Rights group here in Milwaukee so if you want me to organize something here in Milwaukee let me know :) *smoOOOooochies and snuggles* Natali *silly little buttercup* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:54:04 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: Rave economics In-Reply-To: <199405051955.PAA22927@holmes.umd.edu>; from "David A. Wolfe" at May 5, 94 3:54 pm > > >My personal impression is that, in many cases, promoters must be shovelling > >their drugs into the rave they promote. If not them directly, then they > >control which dealers get into/get kept out of an event. It makes a certain > >economic sense. If, as a promoter, you want the rave to "go off well", > >then you get 1) the djs 2) the lights 3) the concessions etc 4) the drugs. > >You make $ off of each step, and #4 is even non-taxable ;) > > > >Terence > > > > > > I missed the original post that started this but that notwithstanding...... > What are you nuts??????? > > As one who is intimately familiar with club owners and promoters > getting involved with drug sales is the kiss of death. Not that some > don't, but I suspect that it is _very_ much the exception. > > I have personally seen Scotto pull a crank dealer out of the line and > tell him he wasn't welcome. I've seen club security take 100 hits > of E and give them to a buddy thug who left the scene. > > It's not that the promoters are against drugs, in fact usually quite the > opposite. > But to be involved tot he extent of making $$$ from it...no way. > > I could be wrong, but I don't think so. > isnt that usually the lighting guys who..... o never mind > woof > -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 11:56:19 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: GOA Goes To Oz???????yea! In-Reply-To: <199405060309.XAA26976@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Nosho Sannyas" at May 5, 94 10:59 pm > > so my friend you know where party is tonight...? > little vagator? > boom boom nonono- party is behind nelsons > > > > > > > > > Hey Gang, > > > > > > This just came over the Oz Rave mailing list and seemed kinda interesting: > > > > > > Jamie sez: > > > >Pop (the fabled hairdresser up here) told me that a few Goan DJ type > > > >dudes are buying land up here on the North Coast in the hills behind > > > >Mullumbimby to settle here permanently. It seems the Goa situation is > > > >getting worse all the time and the vibe has gone, and some of them have > > > >decided to try and move over to my part of the world and try and get the > > > >same thing happening up here. > > > > > > >hahahahaha! Sucked in to all you dudes in Sydney! :) > > > > > > >Anyway, it seems there should be more of the same. This one went well > > > >into the morning, and I am told dancing to that bassy dubby Goa sound in > > > >a rainforst as the some comes up, t'ing off yer face is something to > behold. > > > > > > So - from this it seems that GOA is slowly dying - or at least is dying to > the > > > ideals held by those who originally set it up - and that some of them are > > > moving to the back lands in Oz. Not desert there, as you may have guessed, > but > > > lush tropical forest and such. Could this be true? I can only hope - this > > > would be a *good thing(tm)* if it happened as I hope to be back in Oz around > > > 1998 for the 1999 & 2000 New Years Eve bashes AND the Sydney 2000 Olympics. > > > Man, the parties that are gonna happen then.... :) > > > > > > > > > Grant > > > > > > Most Quoted Oz-Raver Line In History: > > > "we are not conforming to the social ideal of non conformity" - > > VicZ > > > > > > > freaks have been going to goa for 30 some years now and partying on > > the beach- long before techno and raves came around-and i think it > > will continue long after raves have made way for the next psycadelic > > dance culture. > > From what ive heard last season was good, the season before was good > > until january, and when i was there it was kickin ass (in 1992)) until > > well after new years-.. the problems started that year when folks > > decided not to pay off the police for a party- which screwed up the > > rest of the season- > > > > anyway- the best raves i was ever at were on teh beaches of goa- and > > any ex-pats will continue to party and hang in goa long after the > > "scene" has officially moved on > > peaceout > > -- > > Boom shiva > > mahalinga nataraj > > :) > > (puffiness 4evah) > > > > > -- > .....NEuRONauTic InsTItuTe........ > SpACe > ......ThE TeStiNg NeVEr StOps........ > -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 12:18:19 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Handi-boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Handi-boy Subject: Re: SETI In-Reply-To: <9405061603.AA21826@media.mit.edu>; from "Cal Eastman" at May 6, 94 11:37 am Yeah, i don't think SETI is a waste of money. Schwa and Counter-Schwa -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== jenberry: i got the motts. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 12:09:38 EST Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , NEd_Snappleboy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: NEd_Snappleboy Subject: Re: roasting marshmallows In-Reply-To: <9405061401.AA07623@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>; from "ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU" at May 6, 94 10:01 am > > jussaminit... > > did anyone here go to the PHASE II party at Caffeine on New Years??? > did you stay a long time??? > I was'nt at the party for more than two hours when a friend of a friend who had the transport home decided he didn't want to stay anymore. I am most sure that I didn't stay long enuf to see you.......but I wish I did. It was a decent party, except the vibe was missing. I was kinda bored. But it was cool with the barber shop and stuff like that > do you remember me??? > > i was sitting in the back room roasting marshmallows with lollipop > sticks and a candle > ther were three girls there too roasting marshmallows with me??? Where was the back room. Was this in that one off shoot that was kinda outside, or was it by the barber shop/pizza place/video game room??? > > 1000 > NEd!(Snappleboy!) Chuckles buluga@mentor.cc.purdue.edu SNAPPLES TO YA!!! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 13:15:37 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Subject: directions and meeting places this weekend Friday, May 6 HARRISBURG, PA (717) 770 - 0241 ANTIDOTE DIRECTIONS: Balti: 83 north to second street exit, make right at the first light, then a left at the next onto 230 west (cameron st) , pass 2 lights on the left. Philly: 78 west to exit 19 (harrisburg east) to 283 west to 83 south to second street exit, make a right at thr firdt light, then left at the next light onto 230 west (cameron st), pass 2 lights on left. Allentown, ny, nj: 78 west to 81 south to cameron street exit pass 3 lights on right. DC: 95 north to 695 west to 83 north to second st exit, make right at first light, then left at the next light onto 230 west (cameron st), pass 2 lights on left KLiCK PROMOTIONS presents A N T I D O T E (A Remedy for a Better Rave) EMERGENCY ROOM RECOVERY ROOM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DJ Nigel Richards DJ Jedi MindTrip (611 Records / Horizon Group) (Turbo-Zen, Pitts) DJ Lee Botix DJ Bry-W (Klick, Adrenaline Records) (Gravity One) DJ Josh Wink DJ Tab (R&S Records) (Klick) DJ Dave Trance DJ Craig (Caffeine, Long Island) (Klick, Harrisburg X-Force) DJ Micro DJ Merchant (Sorted Records) (Balt X-press, Klick) SMART BAR by LIQUID TECHNOLOGY 100% Guaranteed - 100% No Alcohol - 100% Slammin' Location - 'Rage' Time - 10pm to ??? $8 with boarding pass $10 without pass So I guess the best place for any net ravers to meet would be by the bar...Also, we might be doing the bar at Rave Called Scott this saturday...I am waiting for the ok from Nigel today at 3:00 or so...since I won't be able to get here again to post a definate...as nigel said "Most Likely" we will be there so look for our sign "liquid Technology" and come up and introduce your-little-net-selves :) Peace, Jennifer Smeddy jenn-bug ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 13:17:11 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two hey all... i've been listening to some mix tapes that i have... no..\ i've been ANALYZING some mix tapes that i have, and i've come across something. Frankie Bones (the incredible talent he is) mixes music evenly and smoothly, yet i don't notice any transformer mixes like that of DJ Repete or our fellow ne-raver Fresh Blend... bones seems to mix the stuff smooooooothly, and i find this a peculiarity, any comments on this transformer-less mixing style? do you prefer quick cuts or smooth segues? i like both equally, and i do both equally when I spin. something i noticed about Richie Hawtin is his use of the EQ in a mix... as an experiment, i tried this at the 70's dance i did at my old high school... i played Liddell Townsell's "Nu Nu" and alternated cutting and boosting the 60Hz and 150Hz equalizer sliders... the crowd went nuts!! they couldn't figure out what made the song "kick" a little harder... they MADE me play Ace Of Bass "The Sign" and I did this little EQ trick to keep myself busy during this pop tune... sure enough! the EQ thing brings results! Hawtin IS a genius, I don't know if any other DJs do this sort of thing, but i like it... any DJs have any comments? 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 13:29:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two -Reply At the June 20th 1992 STORM RAVE in Brooklyn is where I saw Hawtin for the first time and like my man 1000 said he was going off with the EQ. The crowd how no idea what was going on and I was watching him in amazement. And the thing about Bones is when he wants to mix (i.e. RED) he can blow shit up. But there have been nights where he didn't give a shit. I hpoe to see everyone at Phoenix tommorow the shit is going to be Phattttttt! Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 13:57:43 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two In-Reply-To: <199405061717.NAA02935@holmes.umd.edu> On Fri, 6 May 1994 ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU wrote: > do you prefer quick cuts or smooth segues? > i like both equally, and i do both equally when I spin. lots of times a quick cut makes up for not being able to mix the two songs well. not saying that people who do this are neccessarily bad dj's, just that it takes more talent to blend two songs rather than cut to another one. again, i'm not saying that it doesn't take talent to cut, you have to know *when* and all. just saying that i think long, drawn out mixes are better. > Hawtin IS a genius, I don't know if any other DJs do this sort of thing, but > i like it... *a lot* of great dj's do this. this is why it would be so great to have a mixer with an eq on each channel (or side of the crossfader) because then you can do all kinds of fun stuff like mixing into a song with its bass eq all the way down and then bringing it up as you mix. daren emerson did this a lot at red. richie fucks with the eq a lot, but so does every other good dj in detroit. you should see the house dj's tricks. there's stuff they do with the eq and levels that is so creative. i've always liked dropping the bass and bringing it back up. and when there's a beatless part of a song, if you drop the bass eq when it comes in, it makes it sound like its shallow or something, like its coming out of an old crappy radio. :) sounds neeto. anyways, hawtin isn't, by any means, the only dj to mess around with the eq. and when i go to buy my new mixer tomorrow, i'll have to see if i can afford a mixer with seperate eq's for each side of the fader. latahs chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 13:59:57 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JASCHOENLY@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jacob Schoenly Subject: Re: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two I agree that Bones' mixing is very smooth. He doesn't really work the crossfader back and forth between tracks too much, but each of his mixes is faded for sooo long, and he moves the crossfader ever-so-slowly, so that the mixing comes out super smooth. Personally, I like Matt's (Fresh Blend's) and Repete's style of mixing better, where beats from the incoming track are mixed in, back and forth, before the complete transition from one track to another is made. Not only does it make things more interesting, but with hardcore, it makes the whole set sound a lot crazier. When you take super hard tracks and combine them with crazy back-and-forth mixing, it makes for an even greater mindblow than with just smooth fades (like Bones usually does). see you at Phoenix Jacob ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:04:07 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Rebecca A. Cochran" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Rebecca A. Cochran" Organization: The American University Subject: bye bye all! BeccaMD is outta here!!!!!! see you all in a few weeks when I get a new account ! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:12:39 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two > do you prefer quick cuts or smooth segues? > i like both equally, and i do both equally when I spin. > > any DJs have any comments? For me it really depends on the type of music I'm spinning coupled with the type of vibe I'm riding/generating. Usually if I'm playing hardcore, there will be few fades longer than 1 measure and I'm mostly just cutting in samples for few measures before you jump to the next track. If I'm playing acid/trance/minimal stuff, the fades could last for minutes. It's like the difference between Lenny Dee and Denard. Completely different music/vibe... completely different mixing style. Both AMAZING. dave. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:13:08 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two for the spring semester, i've been forced into a new mix style. the x-fader on the station's numark mixer has been out. a combination of station tech motivation and numark's unhelpfulness. anyway, i've been mixing by using the channel levels. i like what this has done for my mixing although i can't quantify what this has done for my mix. clearly hard cuts back and forth on a particular beat are gone, but this has helped train my ear for overlaying things together. i do find that my style changes every so often from heavily running both 12's together, to just running songs end to end, to something in between those extrema. too, i've gone from being into hard-core into a disco phase into a acidic phase which certainly influences the mix style. haZard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:49:22 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two yep, musical genre has a big influence on the appropriate and interesting mix style. hardcore is nuts and needs a nuts style. repete mixes that so GREAT. he blew my mind at the orb show. his vinyl was great, his mix was great. the influence on the floor was striking--people were stuttering their dancing to the mix. sometimes you hear people mix and you just want to throw your f**king records in the river. haZard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:36:22 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Re: directions and meeting places this weekend > >Friday, May 6 HARRISBURG, PA (717) 770 - 0241 >ANTIDOTE > >DIRECTIONS: > >Balti: 83 north to second street exit, make right at the first light, >then a left at the next onto 230 west (cameron st) , pass 2 lights on the >left. > >Philly: 78 west to exit 19 (harrisburg east) to 283 west to 83 south to >second street exit, make a right at thr firdt light, then left at the >next light onto 230 west (cameron st), pass 2 lights on left. CORRECTION!!! From Philadelphia, you take the Pennsylvania Turnpike towards Harrisburg (I-76 West). Travel on this for an hour and twenty minutes and take Exit 19 (Harrisburg East) to Rt.283 W. Stay in the left hand lane, and get on I-83 South. Follow this for three miles and take the 2nd St. Exit. At the first light, turn right. At the next light, turn left onto Rt.230 West (Cameron St.). Go past two lights and location is a half mile on left in the white building. > >Allentown, ny, nj: 78 west to 81 south to cameron street exit pass 3 >lights on right. > >DC: 95 north to 695 west to 83 north to second st exit, make right at >first light, then left at the next light onto 230 west (cameron st), pass >2 lights on left > > >KLiCK PROMOTIONS presents > > A N T I D O T E > (A Remedy for a Better Rave) > >EMERGENCY ROOM RECOVERY ROOM >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >DJ Nigel Richards DJ Jedi MindTrip >(611 Records / Horizon Group) (Turbo-Zen, Pitts) > >DJ Lee Botix DJ Bry-W >(Klick, Adrenaline Records) (Gravity One) > >DJ Josh Wink DJ Tab >(R&S Records) (Klick) > >DJ Dave Trance DJ Craig >(Caffeine, Long Island) (Klick, Harrisburg X-Force) > >DJ Micro DJ Merchant >(Sorted Records) (Balt X-press, Klick) > >SMART BAR by LIQUID TECHNOLOGY > >100% Guaranteed - 100% No Alcohol - 100% Slammin' > >Location - 'Rage' >Time - 10pm to ??? >$8 with boarding pass >$10 without pass > >So I guess the best place for any net ravers to meet would be by >the bar...Also, we might be doing the bar at Rave Called Scott this >saturday...I am waiting for the ok from Nigel today at 3:00 or so...since >I won't be able to get here again to post a definate...as nigel said >"Most Likely" we will be there so look for our sign "liquid Technology" >and come up and introduce your-little-net-selves :) > > >Peace, >Jennifer Smeddy >jenn-bug > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 15:09:07 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: here's a question for you In-Reply-To: <199405061512.LAA01431@holmes.umd.edu> On Fri, 6 May 1994 ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU wrote: > when you use your music in a commercial, there are several deals that can > be made. the cheapest deal still makes you rich(er) than you used to be. > > pop-ish "rave" techno makes a lot of cash, but need i say more about what > the underground and soul-driven techno artists fel about that? > > 1000 If I were to make music for a commercial (as I may just be doing) first off I would definately NOT press it for release. Why press a jingle? I mean this isn't Demolition Man. Underground is nice but it won't pay the bills (samplers and fx and stuff cost losts of $$) so to me I see no evil in anonymously making music for commercials or news segments or anything so long as you make the distinction between that stuff (hopefully no one will know you did it.) and your underground stuff.) I feel this way: whoever decided to PRESS the Mortal Combat song was seriously derranged. It was a naff idea. Joe |[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]| |------------------------1-8-7_____________Wicked_Rides_to_the_Darkside__| |[][][][][][][][][] Jungle/Darkness/Hard Acid *live* PAs (performances)__| |[][][][][][][] email raver909@telerama.lm.com for bookings info & demo__| |[][][][][] Or ftp sfraves.stanford.edu for the song 'Syrous Darkness'___| |[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]| ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:01:29 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: roasting marshmallows the backroom was the "Hardcore" room not the one with the video games, but the one with the bar and the stage rave on! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:02:00 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ebh@SUMMIT.NOVELL.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Ed Horch Subject: Re: here's a question for you In-Reply-To: <199405061911.PAA04040@holmes.umd.edu> from "Joe LeSesne" at May 6, 94 03:09:07 pm > Underground is nice but it > won't pay the bills (samplers and fx and stuff cost losts of $$) so to me > I see no evil in anonymously making music for commercials or news > segments or [...] I agree 100%. I know a lot of musicians who are very underground (by several different definitions) who have entirely separate musical lives devoted to making a living. One person I know does "real" gigs on the weekends, and plays in a top-40 cover band in some hotel five nights a week. She won't tell anyone where it is, because to her it's not her real music, but at least she gets paid union scale for it, which is better than waiting tables. -Ed ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:02:06 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Oi Vey Non-Ravers :) Hey World Wide Rave Heads, Well, I struggled into my non-politically correct asbestos suit ( hope the respirator works well :) and decided to have a say in all these threads that have been popping up around the world's Raver Channels: "Save the Whales & Blubbery Bits" Hmmmmm, direct to alt.eco.greenies.blubber.love "SETI - Was it a Waste of Money" ( The project, not Tayolor's new CD of course :) Hmmmm, bounce these off to alt.sci.my.stepmother.was.an.alien and alt.sex.aliens.among.us "Rave, the New Tau" ( This captures *everything* from Generation X psychadelics to whether or not ravers are a real force or just a passing fad ) Ok, was cute but ho hum, off it goes to alt.talk.round.and.around "Economics of Being a Rave Promoter" Yeah, had a great idea at first but now it's all about who's letting which drug dealer into where... file under alt.drugs.where.to.buy "What I carry to a Rave" Cute, fun and all but I've just got to pick on it too today :) Off it flops to rec.sports.backpacking People who re-quote the ENTIRE message and add one line ( plus a cute .sig :) Not a subject, just a fad MAJOR ANNOYANCE!!! I've reprogrammed my mail-reader to replace large swathes of messages it's already seen with "" and then start into what was said. Gee, the size of my mail box went down by a few Mb - cool :) Yeah yeah, Grant's having a *fun* day at the office :) Keep talking folks, it's fun to see us all interacting and everything, I just gotta be a sarcastic Australasian Bastard and vent some annoyance at all the stuff that's cluttering up my mailbox over the last coupla days :) Well, back to work I guess - I'll just turn up the custom stereo here in my nifty anti-flame suit and see what happens :) Grant Learn From Yesterday, Plan for Tomorrow, Live for Today, PARTY FOR TONITE!!!!!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:15:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Re: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two -Reply Well we are one week away from the opening of the 1994 Digital Deviants partyfest. Mad underground parties so if your leaving the net for the summer and interested in going to some fun outlaw parties leave your name and # and you'll be put on the mailing list!!!!!! This maeans all those word of the mouth parties you find out about plus all the parties are free with many special guests all summer long. Friday May 13th Deviant D.J.'s Dayz-X-One Freshco Spike Dan DC Bannanas Non Deviant D.J.'s Tera Mace Overlord ????? special guest released nent Friday Cost=free lighting=the sky above us location=map point where shuttles will take you to the party in New Brunswick Map point will be on the net the day of the party. Remember the Digital Deviants are the only real deal no sell out underground mofo's in the New York area. Never sellout! Take it light, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:12:45 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: Oi Vey Non-Ravers :) > People who re-quote the ENTIRE message and add one line ( plus a cute .sig :) I'd like to second this. SHEESH!! Isn't there some unspoken rule about common net-sense. The new fangled computer editor offered millions of people the NEW ability to cut and paste text!! USE it. BTW, this is a problem everywhere. Even most people here at work are e-mail ignorant. My favorite is a "yes." at the top of a 400+ line discussion. It's been a tough day. rarely a .sig dave ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:24:20 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Re: here's a question for you -Reply Recently purchasing $4000 in studio equipment and being only 18 I'm going to devote a lot of my time to making really crazy tracks for the time being. I'm going to music skool next year and I'll learn production, so when the time comes I can sell out and make commercial music. The way I'm going to do it, no one will ever no it's me, and at the same time I still hope to be a major force in the underground. If you sell out and no one knows or your music doesn't decline there's no problem. Unlike the Aphex Twin who went to Warner Bros/Sire and his music is not the way it used to be.People can say SAW 2 is good but I say bullshit, that's not him, he's so much more talented then that and he also has a video on MTV. What kind of shit is that? Stay true to the "underground", Dan DC P.S. If you're wondering why the word underground is in quotes it's because it's the most misused word ever even more then "rave" and that's bad. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 16:54:40 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: oh oh, squeaky wheels and a silly sample hmmm.... as you can clearly see, i have nothing else to do, but ever inquisitive i am, i have a question for every DJ and raver here... me frienz & me are in the process of pre-pre-pre-pre production (i.e. where's the sampler) of some crazy shit, but before that, we've got a radical idea for new music.. ok, there's ambient, there's hardcore, there's house, etc etc etc... we can all appreciate them, and DJs can all mess with them and beat-match at we please, but what if.... ....we were to make a funky record with nothing but repetitious samples and synth sweeps (NOT AMBIENT) with a light click track in the background to help with the beatmatching....here's an example: on Turntable #1 is Phuture's "Acid Tracks" (or any other acid house song) on turntable #2 is a record at the same beat (123 bpm), but it just has a crazy loop saying "aoooo-wah" over and over again, and there's a slight sweep of a minimoog humming "ting ting ting" in the background. i have never heard a track like this before, and i am not sure if we are going to be the first to do it.... sorta like acid house without the 909 in the background "acapella acid?" hmm 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 17:02:48 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "flu'id (floo'-)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "flu'id (floo'-)" Subject: Re: here's a question for you -Reply In-Reply-To: <199405062022.QAA04699@holmes.umd.edu> On Fri, 6 May 1994 CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU wrote: > Unlike the Aphex Twin who went to Warner Bros/Sire and his music is > not the way it used to be. Aphex Twin signed a six album deal with Warp Records that would cover the whole world except for the US and the far east. The releases were then licensed to Sire for distribution in these areas. If you've heard anything on Rephlex lately or seen him play live, then you know that he's still there. trainspotter flu'id _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 17:30:46 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: oh oh, squeaky wheels and a silly sample how about acid klezmer at 140bpm we could call it hacidic sorry :) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 19:54:59 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Subramanian Akileswar Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Subramanian Akileswar Subject: Re: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two -Reply if there is something in boston, please inform... thanks akil@chamois lendl@engc.bu.edu akil@chamois.bu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 20:12:08 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , WILL-E Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: WILL-E Subject: Re: Hawtin stylin' & a Bones mix or two One thing I just wanted to add to this thread and I've seen several DJs do this if you push the EQs, sometimes the system can't take it and the bass comes across distored and noisy. usually a DJ can't hear very well what everyone else hears, especially behind the monitors and the headphones. keep that in mind. the sound people on sfraves were talking about this just recently. ___ / / / / / / _ __/ (_/__/ / (__ (__ ___/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 21:47:10 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Nosho Sannyas Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Nosho Sannyas Subject: Re: GOA Goes To Oz???????yea! In-Reply-To: <199405061606.MAA02083@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Cal Eastman" at May 6, 94 11:56 am GOA......nuff said!...its the only place to rave! -- .....NEuRONauTic InsTItuTe........ SpACe ......ThE TeStiNg NeVEr StOps........ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 02:33:06 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Subject: Re: Oi Vey Non-Ravers :) grant wrote: People who re-quote the ENTIRE message and add one line ( plus a cute .sig :) Not a subject, just a fad MAJOR ANNOYANCE!!! grant, tank you oh so very much for pointing this out....this is especially annoying when the original message was like 4 pages long and someone adds a line to it.....for further examples i refer you to the vrave list (where posts never die, they just ge sent to you about 50 times) -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 19:21:57 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: Re: here's a question for you -Reply In-Reply-To: <199405062022.QAA04699@holmes.umd.edu> just to add to this discussion.. it's nearly impossible to "sell out anonymously"... also.. it's very difficult to "sell out".. it takes a LOT of talent to write commercially successful tracks... and, it's even harder if you're used to writing more "underground" things.. we talk about this a lot in the music business.. all the things that go into commercial music.. why it's good and why it's bad.. it's not as simple as buying a bunch of gear.. throwing together a "cheesy" track and make millions... there is a whole huge, wide world of MUSIC BUSINESS that is involved.. just a tip: do what you like to do best. stay true to yourself. peace >>taylor(202) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 05:24:28 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Sundial (IV) Maybe we should have stuck with the numbers, cause this one definately needed an IV. Folks, it kinda fell flat. I feel alot of the responsibility for this is mine, I should have handled some factors in the party better. Okay, here's the blow by blow. Earlier in the day we found that our original, forever bountiful site was not going to work out because the juice to the outlets on the mall was cut. We had planned for this contingency, I had rented a generator earlier that day so we could either keep the site there or move it wherever we wanted to. We decided on the later. We moved to this courtyard space between two buildings that enclosed the courtyard. It was a neat location, out of the way, great sound dampening walls, electric outlets (we wanted to avoid the generator if possible), catwalk with roof access, phone booth and vending machines. The one problem was that their would be a custodian in the building. I went and talked to the fellow, he said it was cool with him if we didn't rip shit up. I figured that wouldn't be a problem as ravers aren't exactly the greatest rioters in the world. So we were there. Around 12:40 we started setting up in the space. The party was supposed to start at 1:00. Not a problem, it's an underground, so these things happen. The energy did dip as it took so long to get everything set up, but it was a situation that we somewhat expected and everyone else seemed quite ready to deal with it. It took a while before we realized our amps were not only innadequate, but also malfunctioning. So, we go to a back up amp that was brought by one of the crew of rollerbladers that showed up. Works like a charm after some fiddling. Finally, around 2:45 the sound is on and the first DJ, Rob Gardner, takes to the tables. He spun a great set. Aris came on with a set that was (from what I heard of it) really good. About 4:30 the party got shut down entirely. What happened? Okay, near as I can tell some of the rollerblade crew, a group of UMD folks who like to rollerblade or associates of theres, broke into the building surrounding us. Now, this isn't an unsubstantiated claim. The custodian came out and told me, and then a minute behind him came one of the women on blades (d'oh). I also saw some particular members of the crew fiddling with the doors before I knew what was going on. Oh, they were on a lark, skating through the halls of the building, finding ways to bypass the locks on the doors. Until, of course, the custodian who was being so cool to us had to deal with them. He came out and talked to me, and he was PISSED. He had every right to be. Then the firealarms got pulled, I didn't even notice them at first but when I did I realized that meant the end of the party. The custodian said it must have been the kids. The Firemen who showed up said the alarms were pulled on the inside of the building. So it had to be someone inside the building. I doubt the rollerbladers did it, they aren't that malicious. My opinion is that the custodian did it to cover his ass when he felt we got out of hand. I don't like it much. I don't like that he had to do that after he was so cool to us. I don't like that the bladers felt it was so necessary to bust into THAT building, the one encasing the party. What I especially don't like is that the party got busted up when their was alot of quality DJs just waiting to spin and alot of people wanting to dance. But, I am not going to dwell on this too much. It happened, the reputation of the Sundial is sullied. But when it was going it was a good party. I enjoyed myself, even with the stress. But I learned alot about what we did wrong, what we did right, and what we can do to improve the next free event we hold. And we will hold another one. But I do want to send props out to the contributors: Tzeech and Romy who brought the turntables and mixers. Aris, Romy, Rob Gardner, Tzeech and DJ K who agreed to play. Sorry you guys got caught in the crossfire and didn't (for the most part) get to spin, you deseved much more. Jeff Adams who saved the day with the backup amp. To the people who made the scene, thanks for being there. Now, I am tired and am going to go to bed. Yes, I think sleep is important to me just now. Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 06:43:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Hank Hughes Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Hank Hughes Subject: For those exam anxieties ... With a sense of humor .. delve ... From u9342335@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca Wed Aug 10 23:27:37 1994 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1994 09:58:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "C.N. Ramirez" To: thigpen@ccs.neu.edu Subject: Re: Exam Therapy Hi! Here is something my friend sent me. I hope you enjoy it! (I mean, now that it's practically exam time) > > > > 50 Fun things to do in a final that does not matter (i.e. you are going > > to fail the class completely no matter what you get on the final exam) > > > > 1. Bring a pillow. Fall asleep (or pretend to) until the last 15 > > minutes. Wake up, say "oh geez, better get cracking" and do some > > gibberish work. Turn it in a few minutes early. > > > > 2. Get a copy of the exam, run out screaming "Andre, Andre, I've got the > > secret documents!!" > > > > 3. If it is a math/science exam, answer in essay form. If it is long > > answer/essay form, answer with numbers and symbols. Be creative. Use the > > integral symbol. > > > > 4. Make paper airplanes out of the exam. Aim them at the instructor's > > left nostril. > > > > 5. Talk the entire way through the exam. Read questions aloud, debate > > your answers with yourself out loud. If asked to stop, yell out, "I'm > > SOOO sure you can hear me thinking." Then start talking about what a jerk > > the instructor is. > > > > 6. Bring cheerleaders. > > > > 7. Walk in, get the exam, sit down. About five minutes into it, loudly > > say to the instructor, "I don't understand ANY of this. I've been to > > every lecture all semester long! What's the deal? And who the hell are > > you? Where's the regular guy?" > > > > 8. Bring a Game Boy (or Game Gear, etc...). Play with the volume at max > > level. > > > > 9. On the answer sheet (book, whatever) find a new, interesting way to > > refuse to answer every question. For example: I refuse to answer this > > question on the grounds that it conflicts with my religious beliefs. Be > > creative. > > > > 10. Bring pets. > > > > 11. Run into the exam room looking about frantically. Breathe a sigh of > > relief. Go to the instructor, say "They've found me, I have to leave the > > country" and run off. > > > > 12. Fifteen minutes into the exam, stand up, rip up all the papers into > > very small pieces, throw them into the air and yell out "Merry > > Christmas." If you're really daring, ask for another copy of the exam. > > Say you lost the first one. Repeat this process every fifteen minutes. > > > > 13. Do the exam with crayons, paint, or fluorescent markers. > > > > 14. Come into the exam wearing slippers, a bathrobe, a towel on your > > head, and nothing else. > > > > 15. Come down with a BAD case of Turet's Syndrome during the exam. Be as > > vulgar as possible. > > > > 16. Do the entire exam in another language. If you don't know one, make > > one up! For math/science exams, try using Roman numerals. > > > > 17. Bring things to throw at the instructor when s/he's not looking. > > Blame it on the person nearest to you. > > > > 18. As soon as the instructor hands you the exam, eat it. > > > > 19. Walk into the exam with an entourage. Claim you are going to be > > taping your next video during the exam. Try to get the instructor to let > > them stay, be persuasive. Tell the instructor to expect a percentage of > > the profits if they are allowed to stay. > > > > 20. Every five minutes, stand up, collect all your things, move to > > another seat, continue with the exam. > > > > 21. Turn in the exam approximately 30 minutes into it. As you walk out, > > start commenting on how easy it was. > > > > 22. Do the entire exam as if it was multiple choice and true/false. If > > it is a multiple choice exam, spell out interesting things (DCCAB. BABE. > > etc..). > > > > 23. Bring a black marker. Return the exam with all questions and answers > > completely blacked out. > > > > 24. Get the exam. Twenty minutes into it, throw your papers down > > violently, scream out "Fuck this!" and walk out triumphantly. > > > > 25. Arrange a protest before the exam starts (i.e. Threaten the > > instructor that whether or not everyone's done, they are all leaving > > after one hour to go drink) > > > > 26. Show up completely drunk. (Completely drunk means at some point > > during the exam, you should start crying for mommy). > > > > 27. Every now and then, clap twice rapidly. If the instructor asks why, > > tell him/her in a very derogatory tone, "the light bulb that goes on > > above my head when I get an idea is hooked up to a clapper. DUH!" > > > > 28. Comment on how sexy the instructor is looking that day. > > > > 29. Come to the exam wearing a black cloak. After about 30 minutes, put > > on a white mask and start yelling "I'm here, the phantom of the opera" > > until they drag you away. > > > > 30. Go to an exam for a class you have no clue about, where you know the > > class is very small, and the instructor would recognize you if > > you belonged. Claim that you have been to every lecture. Fight > > for your right to take the exam. > > > > 31. Upon receiving the exam, look it over, while laughing loudly, say > > "you don't really expect me to waste my time on this drivel? Days of our > > Lives is on!!!" > > > > 32. Bring a water pistol with you. Nuff said. > > > > 33. From the moment the exam begins, hum the theme to Jeopardy. Ignore > > the instructor's requests for you to stop. When they finally get you to > > leave one way or another, begin whistling the theme to the Bridge on the > > River Kwai. > > > > 34. Start a brawl in the middle of the exam. > > > > 35. If the exam is math/science related, make up the longest proofs you > > could possibly think of. Get pi and imaginary numbers into most > > equations. If it is a written exam, relate everything to your own life > > story. > > > > 36. Come in wearing a full knight's outfit, complete with sword and > > shield. > > > > 37. Bring a friend to give you a back massage the entire way through the > > exam. Insist this person is needed, because you have bad circulation. > > > > 38. Bring cheat sheets TO ANOTHER CLASS (make sure this is obvious... > > like history notes for a calculus exam... otherwise you're not just > > failing, you're getting kicked out too) and staple them to the exam, with > > the comment "Please use the attached notes for references as you see fit." > > > > 39. When you walk in, complain about the heat. Strip. > > > > 40. After you get the exam, call the instructor over, point to any > > question, ask for the answer. Try to work it out of him/her. > > > > 41. One word: Wrestlemania. > > > > 42. Bring balloons, blow them up, start throwing them around like they > > do before concerts start. > > > > 43. Try to get people in the room to do the wave. > > > > 44. Play frisbee with a friend at the other side of the room. > > > > 45. Bring some large, cumbersome, ugly idol. Put it right next to you. > > Pray to it often. Consider a small sacrifice. > > > > 46. Get deliveries of candy, flowers, balloons, telegrams, etc... sent > > to you every few minutes throughout the exam. > > > > 47. During the exam, take apart everything around you. Desks, chairs, > > anything you can reach. > > > > 48. Complete the exam with everything you write being backwards at a 90 > > degree angle. > > > > 49. Bring a musical instrument with you, play various tunes. If you are > > asked to stop, say "it helps me think." Bring a copy of the Student Handbook > > with you, challenging the instructor to find the section on musical > > instruments during finals. Don't forget to use the phrase "Told you so". > > > > 50. Answer the exam with the "Top Ten Reasons Why Professor xxxx Sucks" > > > > C.N.A.R. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 06:45:57 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. 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The NASA Info Line 212-330-8233 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 13:12:01 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Lee Press-On Mail Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Lee Press-On Mail Subject: Last Ditch Grovel Anyone in the Boston area who's going to Phoenix and has room for two in their car, trunk, or tailpipe, AND wants tolls and gas and breakfast paid for, please let me know. I'm that desparate. :) *sigh* --Liza (ldaly@cs.bu.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 13:51:18 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Re: Oi Vey Non-Ravers :) ok--I confess :) Actually, I read a very interesting article in The Economist on the economics of raves a few months ago. I have to dig it up--it was more geared to England, however peace terence what kind choons you playing on the anti-flame suit custom stereo? CRANK IT UP :) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 15:24:23 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Re: here's a question for you -Reply -Reply Last call for the Phoenix list!!!!!!!! After I post the directions in about 15 minutes you can then call (908)287-3136 up to 9:30 and I guarentee you will be put on yhe list. If everyone who has access to a ride was smart they would be there tonite!!!!!! Forget that carnival "rave", and come to the heart of Brooklyn the people who brought the "rave scene" to America in 1990! Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 16:31:35 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME In-Reply-To: <199405040345.XAA00538@holmes.umd.edu> On Tue, 3 May 1994, Gregor Lawrence Hoffman wrote: > here is a little something i just discovered on a packet of > Instant Quaker Oatmeal (Artificial Peaches & Cream Flavors) > The packets all have a bit of info/trivia under a WHAT'S HOT? This is something that I have just never understood. How did the people at Quaker get interested in putting 'rave' stuff on their boxes? This isn't a new phenomenon, I remember it was one of the topics on the UMD Raves list (almost 2 years ago, before DC Raves). Absolutely insane. Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 17:07:40 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Re: survival kit In-Reply-To: <199405051546.LAA18337@holmes.umd.edu> I like to travel light: 1 Filofax (day planner) 1 Box of cigarettes 1 lighter 1 microtape recorder my badges Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 17:10:30 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: pleasuredoom paydirt Well after weeks of investigative work I think I have tracked down one of the promoters of pleasuredome (Eric Sudol), he is back in the DC area. If anyone needs to get in touch with him send me email and I'll give you his phone number. Joe ~ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 17:48:07 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , soundz@MIT.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: a late review of Gateway Gateway was held in Buffalo, New York, supposedly the first real rave there. It was held at a skating rink, really huge space with all sorts of neat lighting, controls, and ancient speackers (but really big speakers). Suess was also playing graphics/anime/some weird stuff on projection. I wasn't sure how many people were there since the place was so big, and everyone was spread out all around. My spinning went pretty smoothly and I met Speed Demon, Suess, Curious, and Spencer, which was nice, but I didn't have too good of a time there. Maybe it was because I didn't know too many people, or maybe because of the crappy day I was having which brings me to the following: The real interesting part of the whole trip was the hell I went through to get there and come back. I planned to rent a car with my friend and drive up there in time for me to spin. So on Friday morning, I goto the rental car place, and everything is going smoothely, until, she asks for my license. I look all over, but the license is not too be found. So I have to go back home and look for my license. I can't find it anywhere in my room either. In desperation, I call my friend, and he agrees to rent me a car. So we goto the rental place again and as he tries to rent a car. Disappointingly we find out that he's not over 21, so he can't rent a car. Pissed, he goes back home. By now, it's 1pm, and I figure that if we don't leave by 3pm, we're not gonna make it, since it's supposed to be a 9 hour drive. I start calling everyone on my phone list, but strangely enough, no one's home. By now, it's 3pm, and we have given up all semblence of hope. I go outside to have a cigarette, and while I'm walking around, one of my friends sees me, comes over, and says, "Jimmy, aren't you supposed to be in Buffalo?" We goto the car rental place, he rents a car, give me the keys and says, "be careful, you don't have a license, and you didn't rent the car, so you can get really screwed if you get caught." We depart at 4pm. If we don't drive fast, we can't make it, so I step on the gas. On the way, we see a zillion and one cops, and I think to myself, the way this day's been going, I'm surely gonna get pulled over, asked for my license, no license, stolen vehicle, to jail. Surely enough, we do get pulled over. I explain the situation to him, but he doesn't seem to be amused. He totally stuns me as he says, "Turn this car around right now, and go back where you came from." Happy, I do as he says, but as soon as he's out of sight, I turn the car around again and start heading for Buffalo. We make it there safe and sound, 5 minutes late. JimmY |-|/\t (condom/boston) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 18:01:14 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Subject: subscribe me Can you subscribe me to your list. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 17:20:53 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Re: the death of SETI In-Reply-To: <199405050343.XAA13051@holmes.umd.edu> On Wed, 4 May 1994, Terence R. Strick wrote: > Jason writes: > > Glad to hear that SETI was killed in congress. > One down, and about another million more stupid programs to go! > > I write: > > SETI may seem like a "stupid program" in the short > term, but can you even take a crazy guess as to what the repercussions could > be in the long term? I have to disagree entirely. Speaking as a futurist (World Futures Society, Washington Chapter) I would say that the long term implications here are negligable. This project was a government behemoth, with a narrow research scope and a bureaucratic leadership. The research done in this project has not had any apparent result. The research that is important in the technology this field uses is being advanced much more by projects pointed in the direction of expanding the scope of knowledge of natural phenomenon. For example, Keck Observatory, Hubble, and radiological assays of space phenomenon. > but you are SO DEAD WRONG > when it comes to gov't sponsored research. Not really. The best research done by government is demonstrably most effective when done in a coalition with concerned industries. I have not, as yet, seen any industry that can benefit from this specific field of research. The technologies developed for study of naturally occuring phenomenon have resulted in a greater net benefit in research terms than this project ever could have. > You wouldn't be e-mailing if > it weren't for the gov't funding of early internet. Hell, you wouldn't > even have a computer if the gov't hadn't taken the first steps in computer > development between the 30s-40s-50s etc. While it is true that the government sponsored the precursor ARPAnet it should be noted that it developed beyond that only because of the enlightened leadership of the Advanced Research Projects Agency porting the technology to industry quickly. They realized that when the time came they had to integrate the results of their research with the needs of the society that sponsored them. In fact, I think it would be far more accurate to say that if it weren't for the inclusion of BBN (a flavor of TCP/IP) with the BSD Unix releases we wouldn't be exchanging email. That put the TCP/IP and Internet ability into the hands of the people with computers and the people with computers are what the Internet is made up of. I think I would even go so far as to say that while what ARPA did was important it pails in comparison with what was done at XeroxPARC (yes, Xerox, a private company that funded it's own research). As for computers, I think the example of the first digital computer is a fine example about how wrong headed it is to put faith in solely government research into any field. During WWII the British had to break alot of codes, so they developed a fine digital computer that the US could only equal a decade afterward. But you know, no one ever knew it existed. The Mark III computer was classified until the mid-70's when people were building far more powerful computers out of kits. So much for government research. > Only the gov't has the funds to > support major branches of fundamental research--are you ready to sacrifice > the possible future of nuclear fusion because of pork-barrel politics and > politicians who somehow forget future opportunity costs in their decisions? Yes, only the government can throw money at a project. But that is no guarantee of a good research project. In fact the more money spent on a project, the more bureaucracy is developed and the lower the amount of actual research per dollar is performed. It is important to realize that while the government serves an important function in funding and developing fundamental research in various fields it is horrible (due to structure and scale) at administering, utilizing or even choosing the fields. It is the job of education and industry to complement the government in research and guarantee that the lost opportunity costs for funding a project are equalled out by the future opportunity costs of development of a field. Government is an example of funding only in marginal fields, as when the future opportunity costs of a project become much greater than lost opportunity costs the goverment is forced out of the field by well funded and targetted research or is supported by private funding (ie: Biotech, the Human Genome project). Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 20:42:21 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , djentox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Sotto Terra-NEAU :A Review!!! Hey all! Well Peppermint Patty and I went to Sotto Terra in Manchester last night.. First up I want to say big thanx and huge hugs to Peppermint Patty for driving all the way up here from Albany.. I can't wait for you to come back!!!!!! But now for a review of the party.. KICK ASS!! Sotto was held at the Industry night Club in Manchester, which is so top 40, it's sad (they had just had a Jody Watley concert there before the event.. ugh), but the Jody groupies left, and the ravers came in. The first DJ was Chewbacca, who messed up a lot, but it really didn't matter. People weren't dancing almost at all in the beginning. A lot of people just sat on their ass and watched people on the floor. After Chewbacca was Joel Savani from Worcester. He did a really kick ass, hard-trance/acid/trancecore/hardhouse set that went on for 2 amazing hours. After that was Osheen, who I guess was a replacement for Fresh Blend (I was so in the mood for gabber that night!!! =( who was in NY for Phoenix (i'm crying while I write this post because I can't go to Phoenix, but that's another thing). Anyway, Osheen did a tribal/house set that was really good (mixing-wise, I wasn't too crazy about what he played). After Osheen was done, DJM (Dave) was supposed to spin, but they shut down the club at 6 (right at the end of Osheen) due to a number of problems from the club owners, or so I'd heard. The crowd that was there at that point were the people who really wanted to dance until the afternoon.. If anyone is close to New Hampshire(Boston People!!), come next week! There will be another party at the Industry, this time with Carlos Tera from Brooklyn. Please come and support NEAU's NH parties!!!! I'm so glad something is starting here in Cow Hampshire! I know Peppermint Patty will probably be in NH again next week, and I really hope to go! If I do go, I'll remember to wear a Hello my name is Ne-Raves sticker !! Peace DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 00:00:55 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Sweeney Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Sweeney Subject: Re: the death of SETI In-Reply-To: <94May7.181013edt.73475-2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>; from "danFREELove" at May 7, 94 5:20 pm hey there- can you give me more info on this futurist thing? what is it? what does it mean, etc... thanks! =) john! ---- john sweeney jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu binary sound(imprints) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 00:15:08 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Re: the death of SETI In-Reply-To: <199405080401.AAA13464@holmes.umd.edu> Okay, I know this is far off topic, this is the last time I am going to post on this subject. But, the Futures Society is something I beleive in and would love to share with fellow ravers. The contact info I have will be listed, but you will have to contact them in real time. I was supposed to work on their net presence, but due to various difficulties I wasn't able to. On Sun, 8 May 1994, John Sweeney wrote: > can you give me more info on this futurist thing? what is it? what does > it mean, etc... thanks! =) The World Futures Society is an international group of individuals in business, education, and government engaged in the continuing use and enhancement of the theories and techniques of the study of the future. Basically a network of people with an interest in developing the technology of forecasting. Now, this isn't science fiction forecasting. These are usually forecasts with 3, 5, 10, or 15 year horizons, with a great chance of deviation due to factors outside of the forecasts. One of the great challenges involved center around creating as holistic a technology as possible. Now, the membership is wideranging, many people from private and public think tanks (Institute for the Future, Brookings Institute, Rand Coporation, Coates & Jarratt), students from around the world, university faculty, librarians, and nerds in general. It publishes a plethora of magazines, newsletters and directories (The Futurist, Futures Research Quarterly, Future Survey Annual, Futures Survey, Future Takes, Futures Research Directory: Individuals, Futures Research Directory: Organization). Anyhow, I find them fascinating and a hope for the future. For contact: World Future Society 7910 Woodmont Avenue Suite 450 Bethesda, MD 20814 Phone: 301/656-8274 Fax : 301/951-0394 Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 01:58:55 CST Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , jang.12@POPMAIL.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: angel I think that his idea of a sub calender is great. I say, buddy. I want to join the list. Angel. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 02:08:26 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Phoenix (It was a dark and stormy night) Hi Netters, The following is NOT a review of the Phoenix party, so if you're still interested read on, otherwise press 'D' now. I attempted to go but did not make it. I called the info line around 3 PM to get the directions to Phoenix. Left the house at 10 PM...what should have been a 1/2 hour trip took an hour and a half. The weather was horrible; traffic slowed to a crawl. It was at this point that I became lost. According to the info line, I should have looked for the Humboldt St / McGuinnss Blvd exit on the BQE. The trouble is, if you're coming east from Long Island, there is no sign indicating that exit. I may have missed the sign in the rain, but I doubt it. Anyway, after continuing on the BQE towards Staten Island, I turned around and headed back east. Some guy's car stalled, forcing the highway to one lane. Lo and behold, it's 11:40 PM and there _is_ a Humboldt/McGuinness sign if you are heading eastbound. I get off, find the site of the warehouse, but there isn't a car in sight. After cruisng up and down the street, I pass a car full of ravers from New Jersey. I pull up next to them, asking where the party is. They were going to ask me the same thing. We drove around the block, and I called the info line from a payphone. It turns out that at the last minute, the owner of the site backed out, fucking the Phoenix people. No explanation was given from the owner. But they did have a backup site ... the Thundergrounds in Staten Island. I gave the directions to the new place to the NJ people, who left. At this point, I was disgusted and came home. I couldn't see heading all the way back to where I had been an hour before, to go what had become, IMHO, a rave event in a club. The real clincher for me to not go was the message on the info line: "Bring your bridge receipt and you'll get two drinks free." My only minor gripe, in all of this dealt with the directions. There wasn't a sign coming from Long Island, and it turns out that the site of the Phoenix party was near the site of a party that the Fluid people threw last May, off of Greenpoint Avenue in Queens. All the guy on the info line had to say was, if you're coming from Long Island, take Greenpoint Ave to blah blah blah. It would have been so much simpler. Note for promoters of future parties: Please look at all compass points when giving directions. Knowing my luck, Phoenix will probably turn out to be a great party. Sorry I didn't get to meet up with those who attended. Hope the Prince gig went off OK. Does anyone know if the OutlaW party in Brooklyn Friday night took place? This night wasn't a total loss ... I was able to watch "Carlito's Way" on videotape. As Mars posted a few months back, it was a good movie; rent it. Next stop: Rave the Bay. Virtually yours, Bob "at least I'm $15 richer and I know Brooklyn real well" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 02:34:07 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Taping at events Reading through Dan's list of items for his rave survival kit, made me think. He said that he brings a microcassette recorder. I have one also, so: Is there anything inherently illegal about taping during a party. Say I don't get frisked at the door, I bring my recorder in, and start taping DJ God's great set. Is this a Bad Thing(tm)? Likewise, have any of you ever tried to bring a recorder into an event and had security tell you that the player wasn't allowed, or tried to confiscate the device? Would the overwhelming volume of the music sound like garbage when played back on the recorder, due to distortion? Virtually yours, Bob "collecting sound bites" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 04:32:45 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Warm Milk review First off the reason I am posting this at 10 to 4 in the morning is because this party was SO PHAT and I am still rushing. Basically I didn't have high hopes for this party as it was going to be in a space that had been used before and while I had never been to any parties there I heard that there was only a small dance area due to some carpertlike tiles covering the rest of the floor. This was to be Food Group's first event and I was hoping all went well and I wanted to show my support for them. Upon entering I was pleasantly suprised at the setup. It was an upstairs loft style space (not a dirty garage as I thought it would be). The space was just the right size for the size of the crowd (about 120-150 people). In the corner was one of those lights that flickers all different colors. (Emulator??) and a fog machine. on the each side there was a speaker stack (I assume because I really couldn't see that far back due to the fog. But the sound was rich and full with just enought treble and bass). The first DJ up was Finger who spun a seemless trance set which even I got into. If you guys heard him at Buzz you gotta hear him again as his skills are well, well polished. Next up was Jedi Mindtrip from Baltimore. He spun a set which bordered on trance and house. Around this time place started to get packed and more people wanted to dance but due to the carpet couldn't. Did that stop them? Hell no! A few of us proceeded to take up bits of the tile to expand the dancefloor space. As we did this more people started dancing and by the time we took up all the tile the whole place was dancing. Jedi clearly was the floor filler as the whole place or at least 90% of the place was up and going strong! Then something I hadn't seen in a long time, smiles and plenty of em! The vibe was INCREDIBLE. People who had never been to an underground were having a BLAST. It was amazing, was this Pittsburgh? Yes! It took me back to the old undergrounds (the good old days before they were called raves:) we had above a soup kitchen 2 yrs ago. This is what a good party was all about. Some lights, a sound system, low price, a vibe and kicking DJ's. Back to them... Somewhere past the halfway point of Jedi's set he threw down something completely unexpected: When Doves Cry by Prince!! Before I knew it the place was shaking, the windows were steamed and the people were FRANTIC. It was WICKED! He mixed out of it very well into some more of his standard trance/house and finished his set with Terry Kicks taking over the filled floor. Terry spun his standard house and underground disco and the crowd kept at it. The ate it up infact. Actually he spun more house than disco (thank god) but the disco he did spin what actually good stuff, not that cheezy Saturday Night Fever pap. All in all he finished of the night nicely and most everyone remarked to me how much fun it was for so little money and how good the vibe was. If this is an indication of things to come from The Food Group then I am excited. (Actually they have another one planned for the 21st See the Rave-O-Matic next week.) It seems this is going to be a pretty good summer here in the 'burgh and there is talk that all 4 crews are going to work together and throw a MASSIVE party late this summer, possibly even bigger than Synovial Fluid with even more out of town DJ's. To the Pittsburgh people who didn't go, shame on you, support the scene that supports you! :) If you missed this one you missed out, hopefully there is more Food where this came from :) To those elsewhere, you may want to check out the scene here as it is about to go into high gear, I can tell. Last but not least; Netravers in attendance: Michelle, Hannible, Stickman, and Jedi. Time to rest my totally spent body. Joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 12:50:11 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Goldman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Goldman Subject: Rave Called Scott - Review Man o Man. Let me preface this by saying that I hadnt been to a 'large scale' event for a bit as DC has been lacking in big parties, and I was totally pscyhed to go to Philly and enjoy a big kick ass party with great DJ's. I left at 8pm. Got to the space at 1:30 AM Thats wrong. I got lost picking my friends up in philly, then lost as HELL looking for the space. WHAT THE FUCK IS A JUG HANDLE ANYWAY? Us folks from DC/VA/Balt dont have no stinkin JUGHANDLES here so maybe something I little bit more specific would have worked. Upon arrival I was completely underwhelmed as there were hundreds of video games and bumber cars and lights lights lights everywhere. It was a sorta Show BIz Pizza with high ceilings. The first room was small, and WAY to bright and the second room had a shit ass sound system and too DARK. There were big basketball hoops in the middle of the dancefloor and the DJ's were away from the main area so that if you were near the DJ's all you could hear was a muddled monitor speaker. I heard DieselBoy, Karl, and Kaos Triple-Team, and they moved the crowd well. Hard ass hard ass hard ass breaks. Even with some pitiful equipment and unfortunate mishaps with the mixer, they all seemed to work it out for the crowds. Would have love to have heard it on a nice system tho. Dub Tribe played a high energy high vibe set in the other room and people danced hands in air for them. Now the best part of the night for me.... James Christian. That guy needs to spin down here more often! I was very impressed with his set. Hard tribaly house that progressed to hardcore almost and then back to hard house. I was lovin' it. They shut down that room after that. I went to the other room only to hear more DJ's suffer with the bad equipment. I was totally UNimpressed with the 'HardKiss Experience.' Not my style I guess, and the atmosphere for them was not all that. Boy Blake played some nice house, and then I went to hard core chill at about 6:30 I spose. No King Britt. Double Booked himslef AGAIN....do I see a trend here? When they shut down at 8am, I was happy it was over as it just was not a good experience for me. After driving all that way, and paying 15 bucks, I felt sorta ripped off. It would had been fun if i was 12 and had $200 bucks in quarters for the video games.... Props out to DieselBoy, Karl, and Kaos for playing the shit they love, it is rare to hear hard breaks around DC...it was refreshing... Happy Birthday to Scott Henry. Oh one good thing, I wasnt totally and completely fucking flithy when I left! At least the place was CLEAN :) As a promoter I understand how hard it is to find quality spaces with permits and all the legal aspects taken care of. It is much easier to use a space already set up for lots of people such as the Family Fun Warehouse and the Capitol City Pavillion in DC :). It does take away from the vibe and feel of a party tho. I think I am worn and tired, raving per se, has become blasse. There needs to be something new. Only so many times can you go out to hear the same bad ass DJ's with good to decent sound and lights in the same style of venues. I dunno. I spose I am just let down this morning, but I wish there was something NEW. A new music style, a new concept in group dance gatherings. Who knows. Peace out to everyone I met last night, Damian Jen-Bug and others... Who knows? John G. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 16:20:58 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: Taping at events i tried to tape an ADAM X set with a microrecorder and the sound system overloaded the teeny microphone. as for bootlegging raves.... he he he... I recommend buying one of the following: Sony TCD-5M portable cassette deck or one of the Marantz equivalents... Denon Portable DAT and a nice lavalier mic with a good shock mount attached to your backpack... A portable walkman/recorder, if you are good with electronics, install a better microphone capable of higher SPLs without distortion... tape: TDK Type II cassettes (not metal) Maxell Type II and Type IV cassettes Ampex or BASF professional Type IV cassettes DO NOT BUY any "CD quality" cassettes like the Sony CD-it, they distort quite easily and they don't take low frequencies nicely (for some reason) also: if you 're (oops) like me, you are one of the first people there and the last to leave (stubbornly)... ask the first DJ if you can tape his set out of the DJ mixer outputs. some DJs develop a Tyrannosaurus roar and an evil expression resembling Satan himself, screaming "NO!!!!" with enough force to bowl you over.... others reply "yeah, whatever" and don't care. see what happens, but by all means... experiment! happy bootlegging 1000 (the funniest bootlegging story i ever heard was when a friend of mine smuggled a four-track reel-to-reel into a rock concert, and got two friends to walk 20 feet away holding microphones... they never got hassled, and they did make a high quality bootleg.... go figure what'll fit in a backpack!) for more bootlegging tips.... just ask! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 16:52:51 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: UPPING THE ANTE!!! if you are interested, i will pay a handsome greenback for that Lil Louis record.. how's this: mint condition=$20 good condition=$15 ok condition=$10 interested? or, i will pay $5 less than above price, and throw in the Orbital and LFO records for free still intersted rave on 1000 (listening to Koenig Cylinders and getting chills from it:) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 20:59:20 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Chris C. Kozup" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Chris C. Kozup" Subject: Kevin..(from Cleveland) Sorry to post this to the whole list, but I need to get in touch with Kevin (aka DJ Shaft-- I believe?) Kevin if you see this give me a ring... Lator Gators.... -- Chris Kozup ckozup@ace.cs.ohiou.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 22:03:29 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: NASA ONLINE V2#2 (OOMPAHOOMPAH [5/12/94]) N A S A ONLINE Vol 2 #2 SCOTTO PRESENTS OOMPAHLOOMPAH Thursday May 12th GRAND OPENING NIGHT D'MITRI AND JASON JINX Door: Chris Host: Peter Downstairs @ The Tunnel 27th Street & 11th Avenue On the Main Floor The Underground Network DJ Little Louis Vega Info Line 212-330-8233 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 22:03:31 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: realitySHIFT Call for Cybernauts We're doing that Live internet hook up thang again. realitySHIFT 5/21/94 Manhattan Center Studios NYC If you want to be on the Cybernaut crew, mail me woof@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 22:33:10 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Subject: Re: Taping at events I used to tape concerts all the time and it was a real pain in the butt. We always had to deal with security which is not as big a deal at raves, but the biggest problem all the collectors I dealt with ran into was sound quality. The Sony D5 produces really amazing recordings, but is not being made anymore (to the best of my knowledge) and were quite expensive $450-500+. Dat recorders are something I never used and never really got any tapes made on since I quit trading before the portables became affordable. DATs in general produce the best sounding recordings I've ever heard. I wouldn't bother with anything lower than the D5 in the sony series because the sound just won't be that good. Another basic fact is that while audience recordings can sound really good(especially with live music) recording off of a sound system is probably a little more sketchy due to the equalisation of the records and the sound systems. If you could hook into the mixer, this is the best way to get a recording. Another thing that I'm surprised promoters haven't picked up on is selling tapes oftheir events. When I was in england you could buy 6 tape sets of an entire rave digitally recorded. Amazing sound quality and really nice for the techno and house freaks out there. I seem to remember seeing some events being recorded like this over here but can't remember which ones and haven't seen them advertised anywhere. I would love to be able to get sets of djs I've heard, but no luck. Any comments from the promoters out there? It's not like most people making dance music or djs are that into strickly following any type of copyright laws. Brian ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 22:34:30 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Phoenix (It was a dark and stormy night) -Reply Well, It was a long night as far as I'm concerned and when I left to go home this morning all I can say is WOW! A full report tommomrow of what became something out of nothing. Peace, Dan DC And to all the net ravers who did attend I'll xxxplain the full details if you were on the guest list and all the problems. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 23:31:27 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: HOM on bat Here's de foist ov de weeeek.... Mail me if you have an additions, cghanges, subtractions, or cute older brothers.... Hugz and Squeezles, Resident Mel Zee Pie :) **************************************************************************** EAST COAST HOM OF THE WEEK **************************************************************************** mail melzie@wam.umd.edu for changes and/or additions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 14th Rage Harrisburg, Pa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Smeddy smart bar smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Friday, May 20 THE AWAKENING Ashbury Park, NJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mars [SPINNIN!] a176@lehigh.edu Jenn-bug [Doin' Smart Bar!] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 21 MYSTERY MACHINE Allentown, PA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jenn-bug [Doin smart bar!] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, June 2 RAVE THE BAY Baltimore Harbor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allen Menegay escapist@owlnet.rice.edu Melzie melzie@wam.umd.edu Peekay pereira@seas.gwu.edu Bob Baxter p00284@psilink.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ August 28 ARIA North Carolina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jenn-Bug [Doin Smart Bar] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 23:52:23 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John C Avery II Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John C Avery II Subject: YOUR BEAT / DJ TRAX 12" UPDATE [5/9/94] *************** YOUR BEAT RECORDS / DJ TRAX 12" UPDATE 5/09/94 *************** *********************** "Reviews by DJ John Avery" ************************* ******************************************************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: The records reviewed in the UPDATE are received at least TWO weeks prior to the actual commercial copies the store can sell. Please be aware of this grace period when ordering. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SORRY for last week, hardware problems. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The majority of new 12"s reviewed in the UPDATE are available via mail order through Your Beat Records in Union City, NJ. If you are interested in ordering any of the following records, please contact Johnny or Ricky at YOUR BEAT RECORDS in one of the following ways and they will discuss with you the procedures for mail ordering. Readers can also send their wish lists of hard to find 12"s to the store. Your Beat Records 4608 Bergenline Avenue Union City, NJ 07087 Phone: 201-392-0089 Fax: 201-392-0185 Email: dj@pegasus.rutgers.edu jcavery2@pegasus.rutgers.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AMERICAN RECORDINGS: "21st Century Jesus" (CD/LP)--Messiah (9 45168-2) Well, current and former techno/rave jocks should be familiar with the Messiah name for their relentless brand of techno. For those who haven't been lucky enough to get their out of print import and domestic 12"s, here's a chance to pick up the songs which defined the early US rave culture. Credit is due for the extensive promotional "bible" American Recordings included with the promo kit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASTRALWERKS RECORDS: "Transformations"(CD)--Transformer 2 (CD-6111-2) This CD gets very atmospheric with nine of the twelve tracks being of the "earthy" house variety. Combining simple house percussion with complex keyboards, these cuts also shine with sparse female vocals. Three highly recommended ambient cuts are also included. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STRICTLY RHYTHM RECORDS: "I Could Be This..."--Androgeny feat Michael M (SR-12247) My pick is the "Psycho Queen" mix with its slightly techno oriented keyboard breakdown along with hard-house percussion and head-turning vocals from a "Queen" (King?). It's obvious this person has some trouble making up his/her mind but the track kicks and works floors into a frenzy. "Sungasun"--The T.N.T. Experience (SR-12245) No this has nothing to do with Todd Terry but rather is a slow building tribal groover with a good chant-oriented vocal combined with keyboards that build layer upon layer until a nice long breakdown for DJs to mix out of. The flip side features "This Is House" which uses the ever popular sample from "In the Beginning" and Erick Morillo styled chord progressions and percussion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EMPIRE STATE RECORDS: "Reach For the Sky" / "Attitude!"--The Undergroove (ES-07) These tracks scream of high quality and attention to detail. Both use cool organ patches and hard percussion to keep the dancers from falling asleep. "Reach For the Sky" uses snippets of female vocal samples to make it irresistible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EIGHTBALL RECORDS: "Struck By Luv"--Lectroluv feat Alvaughn Jackson (EB-43) Although Junior Vasquez contributes an 11:26 minute masterpiece mix complete with his use of some breakbeats, the mix that I like best is the Original "Dreamy Mix". Using a very deep organ line and India-like vocals this track is definitive of the quality female vocaled house tracks one would hear in the deepest of NYC clubs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AFTER DARK RECORDS: "Shout It Out"--United Souls (MR-77006) Side A features very smooth mixes you would hear at around 3 or 4 AM on the mix shows while side B features a bonus beat mix that goes "tribal loco". As bonus beats go, this set is great for all mixing possibilities and features a fine editing job to keep everything lined up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOP 12 12" ---------- 1.DAVID MORALES-IN DE GHETTO 2.JUST 2 BROS.-FRENZY DANCE 3.SMIF N WESSON-BUCKTOWN 4.CRYSTAL WATERS-100% PURE LOVE 5.KING JUST-WARRIOR'S DANCE 6.JERU-D. ORIGINAL 7.NAS- ILLMATIC (LP) 8.RIVER OCEAN feat. INDIA-TRIBAL EP (LOVE & HAPPINESS) 9.FRESH TUNES #1-DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN 10.MK feat ALANA- ALWAYS REMIX 11.CUTTY RANKS-LIMB BY LIMB 12.BROOKLYN FROG EP-CAN WE TALK NEW ARRIVALS ------------ SOUND FACTORY-GOOD TIMES ZHANE-SENDING MY LOVE HADDAWAY-ROCK MY HEART ABAGAIL-SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT L.O.T.U.G.-FLOW ON K7-HIDE HO CE CE PENISTON-I'M NOT OVER YOU MADONNA-I'LL REMEMBER YOU CRYSTAL WATERS-100% PURE LOVE 2 LIVE CREW- YOU GO GIRL BEATNUTS-PROPS OVER HERE KRS ONE-RETURN OF THE BOOM BAP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DJ EMAIL ADDRESSES: Streetsound Magazine: 72242.1005@compuserve.com STREETSND@aol.com Astralwerks Records: Astralwerks@cyberden.com Zoe Magik Records: 73044.1216@compuserve.com Instinct Records: 72170.1753@compuserve.com Twitch Remix Service: bdavis@netcom.com Urb Magazine: urbmag@netcom.com FFRR Records: FFRR1@aol.com The Remix Warehouse: shawnm7768@aol.com Your Beat Records: dj@pegasus.rutgers.edu XLR8R Magazine: xlr8r@eskimo.com Moonshine Music: 73474.523@CompuServe.COM Vibe Magazine: VIBEmail@echonyc.com VIBEonline@aol.com Digital Graffiti Records: frmp59a@prodigy.com George Hess @ ADM Marketing: COWBOYGEORGE@delphi.com Psychosonik/Wax Trax: pauls@bitstream.mpls.mn.us Logic Records (US): LOGICUS1@aol.com Underground News: UNONLINE@delphi.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For any questions, comments, etc. please contact: jcavery2@pegasus.rutgers.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For readers in the NYC area, check out DJ Disciple's house show every Thursday night from 7-9 PM on 91.5 WNYE FM!!! Also check out, 89.9 WKCR FM every Thursday night from 11:30 to 1:00 for Reggae Rhythms and the Stretch Armstrong Bobbito hip-hop show immediately after, until 5 AM. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For back issues of the UPDATE, check the pub/raves/music/dj/dj-trax directory at the techno.stanford.edu ftp site. If you DO NOT have ftp access, please email me for back issues. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - This message is from: John C Avery II - - Rutgers University, Newark, NJ, USA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 00:51:46 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , kzimmerman@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Archives Do the archives from when the list was on silver.lcs.mit.edu and on gnu.ai.mit.edu still exist? i wanted to read thru the listmail from the first several months and see what my old posts were like... have they disappearead into .netoblivion? peace, De Heartical Poseur Kreig ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 01:20:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Soren Maurice Louis King Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Soren Maurice Louis King Subject: Empire State Well for all those who went raving this weekend (& believe yo me with SCOTT, PHEONIX, MANTRAS, WARM MILK, FEEL IT! and ANTIDOTE there was a lot to choose from....) I just have one thing to say. Take a load off!! Take a break! try something a little different for heavens sake! That was what Empire State offered and that was what it was. Forget the fact that you had the people who made DJ synonymous with GOD! Forget the fact that some best music "Hot off the pressing machine" was being mixed! Forget that it took place at the Sound Factory - where dancing is King, music is Queen and at four o'clock it gets louder (City Ordinance? in New York City!?.... please!) This party was simply stupendous.... As soon as you walked in there was a strange feeling. You saw familiar faces (from other raves) unfamiliar faces (from those who usually don't go to raves) and faces of people who still think rave is a hair spray. You had tall, short, fat, thin, domestic, foreign, bow legged and pidgeon toed. You had gays, straights and in betweens. Butchs, femmes and Drag Queens. The discription can go on forever but the most important thing was that everyone DANCED an there was this feeling of sharing. Everyone shared each others dance with everyone else and in the end every one shared a little vibe that passed through this building. The exception was when INDIA came out to perform. She was not that good and it seem to disturb that free flowing energy... but in the end it worked out well, since everyone got a collective break and when she was over, everyone started dancing again with full vigor. Now I know it wasn't a rave but EMPIRE STATE proved to me that in our quest for a new society, a small change in our pattern can truly re-energize our systems. --------- We always tame the ones we love. ----------- But to truly be loving we must learn to love less, ------------- So our loved ones can run wild --------------- Let Them Run!!! Soren "Petit Prince" King ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 May 1994 11:10:09 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: ALCHEMY In-Reply-To: <199405041704.NAA06108@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Thomas C Noe" at May 4, 94 1:01 pm thats a great idea - a ne-raves produced rave! Im with the neuronautic institute-we prodice and perform realtime digittal imaging, and interactive video ie visuals for raves. Our stuff is VERY psychadelic, and PHAT! The last few shows weve done were for nasa including outlaw and boom. We mix realtime procewssed (that is TRIPPED UP) images of the dj's and ravers, into our already made customized video/computer artwork. We would definitly be into getting in on an NE raves rave. ( Or anyt other rave any of you prompoters.producers, and dj's know of) i can be reached at shiva@freenet.scri.fsu.edu or thewness@delphi.com or 212.861.5579 til then--- rave on peaceout -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:00:43 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Handi-boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Handi-boy Subject: Re: QUIZ TIME In-Reply-To: <9405072034.AA15557@media.mit.edu>; from "danFREELove" at May 7, 94 4:31 pm There's probably some raver guy working at Quaker Oatmeal, and to liven his job up he does weird and wacky things for the questions he must write. He probably made that one up just for us...wasn't that nice of him? -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:06:57 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: SOTTO TERRA - May 13th Last Friday was great and since it went so well, we're doing it again! And this time, Carlos from Brooklyn will be there. His set at Pheonix was unbeleivable!!! The problems that got our first time shut down at 6am are all taken care of too. This week will go til *at least* 8am. Come on out and support New England's ACID Underground!!! Friday MAY 13th Manchester, NH (617) 424 - 7183 SOTTO TERRA djm@progress.com N E A U 's SOTTO TERRA an afterhours at The Industry 10K WATTS OF HARD HOUSE, TRIBAL, TRANCE, ACID, AND EXPERIMENTAL GROOVES DJ's: * Joel (Alien House/NEAU) * Dave-DjM (Space Lab/NEAU) * Spiderman (NEAU) with special guest... * Carlos Tera (Mental Unity/Foundation/Pheonix) Time: 1:30am - 8am Cost: $8 w/ flyer (good for 2) $10 w/out DIRECTIONS: (INFO LINE on May 6th ONLY: 617-424-7183) 93 North into New Hampshire and up past exit 5, after exit 5 there will be a fork, one for 93N to continue and one for 293 North, Take 293 North (this branches later also into a right exit so watch for it). Follow 293N to exit 4. At end of ramp, take a left. Look for the Industry Night Club. 865 Second Street on your right. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:05:47 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Subject: Re: Taping at events as far as "taping at events" goes, i know that dan's recorder isn't for taping sets, it's for recording notes and thoughts (he's writing a book, you know) besides, i doubt that a set recorded on micro-cassette will even be listenable.... -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:18:57 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Handi-boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Handi-boy Subject: Blue beverages and food (fwd) >>From cspot@netcom.com Sun May 8 23:47:22 1994 >>>Subject: Blue beverages and food >> >> GANNETT NEWS SERVICE >> >> September 22, 1992 >> >>HEADLINE: 'BLUUUE FOOD...YOU SAW ME EATING ALONE....' >> >> >> >> Something old, something new; something borrowed, something >>blue ... >> >> No, no - we're not planning a wedding; we're talking about >>food. >> >> Blue food. >> >> Something old: General Mills, the breakfast-cereal giant, >>first introduced blue marshmallows in its Booberry cereal in >>1972. >> >> Something new: Jell-O gelatin has just introduced a new, blue >>jiggly Jell- O dessert. >> >> Something borrowed: Procter and Gamble is hoping its new blue >>punch - using its familiar Hawaiian Punch formula - will turn its >>competitors green with envy. >> >> Something blue: Corn chips, bubble gum and Kool-Aid - blue >>food is muscling its way onto supermarket shelves in >>ever-increasing numbers. >> >> It's all enough to make your brown eyes blue! >> >> Now, when we say blue food, we don't mean that hot fudge >>sundae you ate last weekend because you were depressed. >> >> We mean B-L-U-E. >> >> Blue food definitely is aimed at children, says Pam Becker, a >>spokeswoman for General Mills. Adults just don't seem to be drawn >>toward eating things with bluish tints, she says. >> >> ''We've introduced blue microwaveable popcorn,'' Becker says. >>''It comes in blue, yellow, green, purple and red. You have to >>pop it to find out what color it will be. It's geared toward the >>kids. It's something fun.'' >> >> The popcorn - called Pop Qwiz - was introduced nationally last >>September and is among General Mills' most popular foods, Becker >>says. >> >> ''Blue food is fun. We're telling kids, 'Hey, sometimes it's >>OK to play with your food','' Becker added. >> >> General Mills does offer some blue choices for older consumers >>- chiefly blueberry yogurt and muffins. >> >> ''Of course, then it's the blueberries causing the bluish >>tint,'' Becker says. ''Blueberries seem to be nature's only blue >>food.'' >> >> Another breakfast-food behemoth, Kellogg's of Battle Creek, >>Mich., sells only one cereal - Fruitty Marshmallow Crispies - >>with blue coloring, says spokeswoman Donna Thede. The brand, >>which has proven popular, has been available nationally since >>1982, she says. It features regular rice crispies with blue, pink >>and yellow marshmallows. >> >> Kids like blue, says Carol Boyd, spokeswoman for Procter and >>Gamble, makers of Hawaiian Punch. >> >> The red fruit juice has been on the market since 1934 - before >>Hawaii was even a state. But two years ago, Procter and Gamble >>bought out Del Monte and decided to see what could be done to >>improve Hawaiian Punch, Boyd says. >> >> Their research included input from children, the fruit punch's >>target audience, Boyd says. >> >> ''Kids love fruit juice and they drink lots of it, so we >>wanted their input,'' she explains. ''Basically, kids liked the >>taste, but wanted more choices. They wanted a variety.'' >> >> Last year, Hawaiian Punch Colors was test-marketed in the >>Northeast - and sales shot up 55 percent, Boyd says. >> >> Based on that response, the new colored punch recently has >>been shipped for national sales, Boyd says. >> >> ''It has just been expanded recently and it's selling like >>gangbusters,'' Boyd says. ''The new colors include blue, orange, >>green, yellow, and the traditional red. >> >> ''We don't have any data yet to say, for example, that blue is >>more popular than green - but I suspect that it is,'' Boyd says. >>''We have lots of people working who will track that data for >>us.'' >> >> Kids tend to be daring and want new colors to try; that's not >>to say blue gets its way all of the time. >> >> People have subconscious reactions to colors, Boyd says. >>Adults tend not to try blue-colored foods because they don't seem >>natural to them. >> >> For example, don't expect to find blue-shelled M-and-Ms in >>your average bag anytime soon. >> >> ''We don't offer blue M-and-Ms on a regular basis because >>consumer preferences show that the color isn't pleasing to the >>eye in our regular mix,'' says spokeswoman Marlene Machut. >> >> Yes, the Mars company - which distributes those M-and-Ms that >>have melted in your mouth, not in your hands, since 1940 - spends >>a lot of time deciding what colors blend well in their packages. >> >> ''Our plain mix has six different colors and the peanut mix, >>because of the larger size of the candy, has only five colors,'' >>Machut says. ''We do have blue M-and-Ms, though.'' >> >> Indeed. >> >> Pastel blue M-and-Ms are available in special holiday packs >>around Easter and in a special summertime red, white and >>blue-colored holiday mix, Machut says. >> >> In the past, you'd find blue food once in a blue moon; now >>it's starting to pop up everywhere. >> >> What gives? Why is the food industry suddenly singing about >>the blues? >> >> ''Maybe it's better dyes resulting in a better blue color,'' >>suggested General Mills' Pam Becker. ''Or maybe it's just because >>there are more products out there geared toward kids now.'' >> >> Actually, Becker says, blue foods aren't all that new. >> >> ''We all remember blue Popsicles when we were kids, or blue >>slushes or blue cotton candy,'' she says. ''It's really not new, >>but it just hasn't been used much.'' >> >> Whatever the reason, it looks like the times they are >>a-changin'. >> >> Now, it's OK to step on somebody's blue suede shoes - but keep >>your hands off their buttered, blue popcorn. >> >> -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:30:37 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Douglas Zimmerman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Douglas Zimmerman Subject: Re: ALCHEMY In-Reply-To: <9405091439.AA05046@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu>; from "Cal Eastman" at May 8, 94 11:10 am > > thats a great idea - a ne-raves produced rave! *shudder* hehheh :) i remember what the first time such an ne-raves was peoposed went like. Hopefully a second time around it can be different. doug ) ( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu > -- > Boom shiva > mahalinga nataraj > :) > (puffiness 4evah) > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:33:01 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Douglas Zimmerman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Douglas Zimmerman Subject: Re: ALCHEMY In a recent message Cal Eastman said: > > > > thats a great idea - a ne-raves produced rave! > > *shudder* > > hehheh :) i remember what the first time such an ne-raves was peoposed > went like. Hopefully a second time around it can be different. > > doug ) ( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu > > > -- > > Boom shiva > > mahalinga nataraj > > :) > > (puffiness 4evah) > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 09:56:48 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: The FOOD Group thanks you (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 9 May 94 07:37:29 -0500 From: Colby Newton To: pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com Cc: dcraves@american.edu Subject: The FOOD Group thanks you This is HANNiBAL from the FooD group in Pittsburgh and I would like to give a LARGE THANK-YOU to all ravers who came out to Warm Milk last Saturday and made our first party such a success! The vibe was amazing... everywhere I looked I saw dozens of people, both old and new alike grooving on the floor with HUGE smiles on their faces. The party was a success, and we at FooD are going to deliver more phat-ass nutrients with Refill on the 21st. I apologize for those stupid floor tiles, and believe me, they won't be there if we have our next small party at that space. However, the owner of that building was a real tightwad, and gave us hell for not placing the tiles in "exactly the same order as they were originally laid out". Michelle has to go back to the space on Tuesday to lay them back in order so we can get our security deposit back (can you believe it?!?). Secondly, and this is very important, some time during Warm Milk, someone came in and tagged a table with a thick, black permanent marker. Not cool! In order to get the spaces, we have to all try and keep the space clean (to an extent), and tagging simply does not please the owner of a space...(we got it off thank God with tons of elbow grease, Windex and Rave hairspray... thanks Stickman and Kay!! :) ) With these two small infractions, the party went incredibly well... FiNGER, Michelle and myself thank you all one-hundred times over... Hey, even the tension between Food and Fuel was destroyed...spoke to Stickman and X-on and everything is okay now, no hard feelings...tres excellent. Thanks again...continue to support the underground... H A N N i B A L @ FOOD ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 12:39:33 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: review: a rave called scott after reading john goldman's review, i couldnt't stop laughing the "maybe it would've been better if i was 12 and had 20 video game tokens" just KILLED me :) anyway, i found my way to scott @ around midnight after the soothing 40 min drive from new jersey (yeah, just got back from school the day before... it is SO NICE to drive reasonible distances for a change!). with me was my good friend jamie myerson, who has a record deal buyt has not yet been to a rave....anyway, this was his first of (hopefully) many i have NEVER had bag search as anal as scott...they made me give up a ball point pen in my bag, and the kid in froint of me had his rolaids confescated (still had the safety plastic on it, so it was unopened) they let me keep my gummis, though (whew). anyway, we made our way into the area... now, im not sure that holding an event in an amusement park is such a good idea, as far as uhm, you know.....DANCING goes-it was easy get distracted by the laser tag, bumper cars, and video games and lose sight of the music. as john mentioned, all the attractions also made the dancefloor incredibly bright; the second room was better for trancing out (as always, the melon dezign visuals were topnotch), but the sound system was muddy. Well, anyone who knows me would expect that my highlight of Scott would be the triple-team action by dieselBoy, karl, and kaos. though their attack (cant call it a set) of crazy-hard breaks was great and body-numbing, my favorite part of the night would have to be DUBTRIBE. wow....for all of you that think "live techno" is an oxymoron, check this shit out immediatly! it was amazing, and as live as electronic music can get (i was watching- no tapes). and besides, sunshine (the dubtribe guy) was nice as all get out other highlights: hehheh, the breakbeat bumpercar ride was nice....damian, myself, panik, jamie, karl, kaos, and hossam in mortal combat with bumper cars. also, a big thank you to jenn for the smart drinks....they were much tasty. hanging with the whole net-crew was a lot of fun as well. (those in attendance: me, john goldman, stephen/kingsize, boris, yusef, hossam, fran, sandy, dieselBoy, jenn-bug, mars(hope you feel better), panik, rainbow, rob rousseau, and others....) all in all, i give ARCS a 7 out of 10 -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 13:35:13 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , timber Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: timber Subject: unsubscribe the header say it all. I will be off for the summer and can't handle the volume of messages, so please unsubscribe me. Luke ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 13:50:22 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ebh@SUMMIT.NOVELL.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Ed Horch Subject: Re: ALCHEMY In-Reply-To: <199405041802.OAA06705@holmes.umd.edu> from "brendan mcdougall" at May 4, 94 01:59:38 pm > i guess the only issue > would be money. last time laura was going to assume the risk. does > anyone know how much she was putting up for the party. Laura oversaw the whole thing, but several of us put up money, somewhere between $200 and $300 all told. I lost $100 out of my own pocket. It would have been worse had we put up any deposit on the site. As far as my own role in another attempt at Alchemy, I'd love to be able to say I'll organize it, but I don't have that much free time. It would be a disservice for all involved for me to volunteer for more than I could do effectively. So, here's what I *can* do: I can take care of sound for DJs (but *not* for PAs - I do not believe we should have live acts at our first attempt at throwing an event), which will be partly hired and partly my own equipment. I can also schedule DJs. I *cannot* do lights, site-hunt, promote, etc. Nor will I make any final decisions about the basics of the event such as projected size, whether to do it in a warehouse, a club, an open field, etc., although if anyone asks my opinion I'll be happy to give it to them. :) As for finances, I can invest the costs associated with sound rentals (if necessary), as well as vehicle rentals for equipment hauling. I don't think we'll have too much trouble pulling this off, since the only things that stopped us last time were a few very ill-timed snow- storms. -Ed ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 14:19:54 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: summer address hey all.... here's my vacation home address if you need it... Obin Robinson 157 West 1st St Corning, NY 14830-2542 phone #: 607.936.0221 call if you like...not too late though:) if i am not there, someone will tell you where i am.... just say that you're a friend of mine... you all are :) also, i will be losing net access this friday night, after then i will be jumping in through several ports on occasion... i WILL be in NYC this summer, call me at home for my location... rave on and on and on 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 21:18:09 MESZ Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , uf341ea@HPMAIL.LRZ-MUENCHEN.DE Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: uf341ea@HPMAIL.LRZ-MUENCHEN.DE Subject: Hi ravers! Hi! I'm from germany and will be in NYC from next sunday on one week. What clubs do I have to see? :) Sound Factory and Bliss are MUSTS, I've heard.. which more? Thanks, Kajetan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 14:58:28 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Re: Phoenix (It was a dark and stormy night) Bob Baxter wrote... > >Knowing my luck, Phoenix will probably turn out to be a great party. >Sorry I didn't get to meet up with those who attended. Hope the Prince >gig went off OK. Does anyone know if the OutlaW party in Brooklyn >Friday night took place? > The Foundation Outlaw party in Brooklyn got postponed due to the weather until this coming Saturday... Keep in mind the Digital Deviants are doing a free outlaw party on Friday night in New Brunswick, NJ. Two freebies in one weekend. Nice. >This night wasn't a total loss ... I was able to watch "Carlito's Way" >on videotape. As Mars posted a few months back, it was a good movie; >rent it. Next stop: Rave the Bay. > Cool Bob. You should come down to "Awakening" on Friday, May 20th... >Virtually yours, >Bob "at least I'm $15 richer and I know Brooklyn real well" Baxter Peace, Mars ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 15:17:58 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Awakening flyers Cybertribe, For those of you at Feel it, Antidote, A Rave Called Scott, Mantras, and Pheonix probably already know, the flyers are out for "Awakening" (happening on Friday May 20th). We ran into all kinds of problems in getting them back from the printer, but we're very happy with how they turned out. Tonight, we'll be packaging them up to send to the promoters, and to the people on our mailing list. If you didn't get a flyer, and you'd like one, e-mail me your address, and we'll send a couple to you. If you can't get to a ticket outlet to get advanced tickets, e-mail me and we'll work out getting advanced tickets to you. Hope to see you on May 20th here in New Jersey... Peace, Mars (suffering from sleep-deprevation and allergies) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 15:31:29 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Subject: Re: NASA ONLINE V2#2 (OOMPAHOOMPAH [5/12/94]) Hey guys! just a little gripe that we have gone through before. when you post a flyer, PLEASE post what city the event is going to be taking place in. Thanks, Noj ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 16:11:52 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Re: ALCHEMY I've had some experience producing events, Tech directing (lights, sound, video), Live internet hook ups, security, door, and kitchen sink managing :) Would be more than willing to work on this. However, I would suggest that we expect beforehand to _only_ break even. That means people should be willing to volenteer. In the case of tech, we should request that vendor work for expenses. The reasoning behind this is to give newcomers a opportunity to get involved as well as to reduce the level of a_tension that economics creates. The first major event I produced broke even and I was crushed. After, all my promoter friends said, "you broke even on your first time out, that _never_ happens". If I had known that up front I would have been less stressed. The event was for ACT-UP and WHAM! (Women's Health And Mobilization) and was a huge community success even though the financial benifit was slim. IMHO, the killer part is finding, securing and keeping the space. woof ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 16:42:30 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: ALCHEMY In-Reply-To: <199405092012.QAA26114@holmes.umd.edu> a party would be easy to throw with all the resources that we collectively have on ne-raves. the only thing stopping people is the getting, securing, and keeping a space thing. i know the boston people have everything needed for a slamming party, but the lack of a space is always there. maybe if everyone make it a point to try and find one space and talk to the owner and find sowhere where a party could be thrown. if everyone found just 1 spot that would be more than 200 spots all around the east coast and beyond. chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 17:28:36 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Keith Cathode or Leroy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Keith Cathode or Leroy Subject: Re: AlChEmY > > > > Would be more than willing to work on this.> You took the words right out of my mouth. > > The reasoning behind this is to give newcomers a opportunity to get > > involved as well as to reduce the level of a_tension that economics creates. Cool. I'm a relative "newcomer", some friends of mine and I have been planninga small party out in the 'burbs too see what it would be like to hold an event. There are a few sopts out here in concord/lexington that I've had my eye on... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 17:14:30 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Keith Cathode or Leroy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Keith Cathode or Leroy Subject: Re: ALCHEMY In-Reply-To: <9405092039.AA12778@life.ai.mit.edu>; from "David A. Wolfe" at May 9, 94 4:11 pm > > Would be more than willing to work on this. You took the words right out of my mouth. > The reasoning behind this is to give newcomers a opportunity to get > involved as well as to reduce the level of a_tension that economics creates. Cool. I'm a relative "newcomer", some friends of mine and I have been planning a small party out in the 'burbs too see what it would be like to hold an event. There are a few sopts out here in concord/lexington that I've had my eye on... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 18:07:26 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , primalnyc Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: primalnyc@AOL.COM Subject: east coast raves as of lately all the big events on the east coast have been disapointing to say the least. i've only enjoyed myself at smaller events this year. with the exception of red, i haven't seen anything even remotely worth remembering. when you start having more fun at clubs than raves, there's a problem. oh well sputnik 4 will reverse this trend. looking forward to that as well as rave the bay in balt. . sun and the next essence event. see ya : ) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 18:17:16 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Selway Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Selway Subject: Re: Skreem Contributions In-Reply-To: <199405041858.OAA07318@holmes.umd.edu>; from "root" at May 4, 94 2:58 pm DISINTEGRATOR production Direct Drive - Disintegrator EP Meltdown (Remix) Industrial Strength - Lock On Target (simultaneous release on PCP sublabel S.S., Germany) Industrial Strength Sampler Volume II Koenig Cylenders (on IST) Machines ("In The Machine" track release on I.S UK) Fuckin' Hostile (Remix) SOLO or OTHER PROJECTS I.S. - DX-13 (Oliver and Ken Haggarty - no longer working together, btw) SPY (look for the new SPY release around the end of the summer) Temper Tantrum (Oliver's new release, super hardcore, out now!!!) I Ner Zone - Naiomi Daniel "Feel The Fire" (Deep Dish remix) Deep Dish - Moods "A Feeling" (licensed to Outland Records, Germany) Brian Transeau "Moment of Truth" (remix) Fast Food - Babylon Souls "Triton" (remix w/ DJ Neuromancer) Gyroscopic - Psychedelic Research Labs "Tarenah" (remixes, but for the record, I had a hand in the entire production) that's all I can remember right now, there's a few tracks here and there licesensed to compilations, mostly in Europe. Sorry this took so long, hope it's not too late, sorry for not having release #'s - hope the zine is coming along well... Mail me a couple when you're done, I'm looking forward to reading it!!!! I'll be in DC starting Thursday, get in touch (DSpy@aol.com) if you ever come down for a rave or something. plur John ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 18:20:48 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Selway Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Selway Subject: Disintegrator/Spy discog. was Re: Skreem... In-Reply-To: <199405041858.OAA07318@holmes.umd.edu>; from "root" at May 4, 94 2:58 pm HEY ALL! I just sent a sort of discography of my work to the list by mistake, I ment to send it to DJ Entox.... anyway, it occurred that a few of you might actually be interested in reading it, but if not, then sorry.... :) plur SPY ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 19:37:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Matt Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Matt Subject: Phoenix Hey, Don't tell me that Phoenix happened! We were in the city and we called the info line, and it said that it was cancelled, 'cause both the original space and the backup space fell through! Someone tell me what's up. Matt DJ Fresh Blend ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 20:10:10 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , djentox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: AOL ravers look here! Hey all, If anyone out there who happens to be on AOL and isn't doing anything Saturday (ha!) come and join me in AOL chat for some talk on techno, raving, plur, etc. etc. I think the room will be set up around 1am or so.. so look for it then.. All are welcome!! All I need is a kool name.. any suggestions? Peace DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 22:23:27 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Empire State -Reply I attended Empire State and I was not all that impressed, but I still managed to have a good time. I got there late and my man Doc Marten was on. He may be real cool, and I love talking to him, but he's now 0-2 with me. 2 times he hasn't really showed me nothing else that other D.J.'s can't do. He did play a couple of tracks that moved me but overall he didn't cut it. Maybe it's the plane ride or something. Then Little Louie went on but in beetween their sets someone threw down the Enigma track. That was the highlight of the night for me almost. Little Louie has some real good mixing skills, but you play Plastic Dreams anymore. Now a commercial house party I would expect to hear tracks like that and Crystal Waters but not when everyone is talking about an underground house jam. There's no way that the music played can be called underground.No, No, No!!!! Anyway Little Louie did play one track that got my attention, I can see the light. That's the real meaning of underground house, but he then threw a vocal over it and killed me. Then India went on and she just sucked. For the first time I can say the music was not what I wanted and I still managed to have a good time. It's always nice to see Doc and see everyone with that much energy in a club. The vibe was real nice and overall I can say the party was a success but next time they shouldn't label that type of party as an underground house jam. Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 23:26:33 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "~enhanced--todd sines" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "~enhanced--todd sines" Subject: ELE MENT: more info, summed up, etc... e l e m e n t: a step forward every two months. ele ment will be a bi-monthly, free publication. It will be available at select bookstores, record stores, cafes, universities, etc. It will also be on line at internet FTP sites and distributed through a mailing list format. ele ment is an attempt to provide a forum for collective interests, including (but not limited to): -Art. -Music. -Design. -Photography. -Architecture. -Film/Video. -Dance. -Fashion. -Communication. -Typography. -Computers. -History. -Literature. -Performance. -Technology. ele ment is not about any one of these fields, but about all of them. New and old forms are interacting in the 1990s: we are dancing, drawing, writing, making our own images, our own music, and so on. However, most of us are in isolation--working in our various disciplines or waiting (with open minds) for something new. We believe that many of the fields in the large scope above share similar ideologies and attitudes that might not seem apparent. We want to expose these links to those of us who may be in one or more of these areas, to allow an investigation or appreciation of other interests which share a similar driving force. The new ways which some of us are using (or talking about) these new forms of discourse--technological, experimental, ethnically and sexually diverse, etc--has not yet been recognized or perhaps even identified. It is clearly not "cyber," "rave," "computer-net," or "slacker" culture, though these are all integral parts of our identities. Our culture is far more inclusive than that: it encompasses everything from the work of Nam June Paik to Elijah Pierce (Fluxus to folk), the music of Schubert and Plus-8 (classical romantic to Detroit techno), the films of D. W. Griffith and Barbara Hammer (traditional Hollywood to lesbian feminist), the poetry of Percy Bysshe Shelley and Henry Rollins (drunken romantic to drunken punk), the novels of Cervantes and Charles Bukowski (classic to drunken Beat), the designs of Bauhaus and Emigre (functional to deconstructivist), our TV favorites The Brady Bunch and Twin Peaks (sit-com nausea to surrealist nausea), and so on and so on AND SO ON. ele ment will be about us: our new present and our influential past. ele ment is a voice, for those of us who like to think and talk and see new things, and it is a common base of information from which to investigate the links we share: what we are seeing and doing now, along with the influences we carry from those who opened the doors (or knocked down the walls) before us. ele ment, then, is an attempt to bring all these *elements*--activity, appreciation, history, technology, etc.--closer together. SPECIFICS: We are looking for these kinds of submissions: - Editorials. - Imagery. - Computer applications. - Reviews. - Typography. - Audio. - Interviews. - Design. - Literature. On subject matter: as indicated above, this should be very diverse, though we do have an editorial "stance" which is a little more definable (but not much). We want this journal/magazine to be read by computer users and non-users alike, by anyone and everyone, from cafe-dwellers to spacelab-dwellers. This would imply that UNIVERSAL, as opposed to local "scene-oriented" stuff, is preferrable. This doesn't mean that we don't want to hear what's going on in say, Milwaukee or Mozambique, but think of it in descriptive as opposed to opinion-based terms. If someone is sitting in Cleveland reading about a gallery opening or a rave in Cornwall, England, it probably means very little! But if it is described in terms of what we can all learn from the event, instead of "wish you were here," it could be much more useful (especially in Cleveland). Likewise reviews: don't hesitate to be opinionated, just explain where you're coming from. An opinion like "Yo, this record SUCKED!" is not very informative if the reader has no idea where you're coming from. An opinion like "Yo, coming from a post-structuralist context, I found this record quite innovative in its expression of forms, and would thusly conclude that it is PHAT!" is a little overboard but at least there's more behind it. So no Top Ten lists unless they're somewhat detailed (we have enough Casey Kasems). Here's some ideas we're throwing around (some seriously, some loosely): - a historical and aesthetic appraisal of breakbeat techno music. - an exposition of the resurgence of deconstructivist design & typography of the 1990s. - reasons why busses are the wrong place to meet people (okay, we need some humor in here...) - schematics of modifications of the Roland TR-909 Rhythm Composer. - an editorial on new classical music, from Philip Glass to Merideth Monk. - interactivity: what is it and what does it all mean? - 90s buzzwords and the small truth behind them: Generation X, virtual, cyber-hyper-multimedia highway, etc... - What record labels deserve props and why. These aren't exclusive, so if you have some material of a similar nature that's cool. Other points: this journal/ magazine should have humorous elements as well as serious ones. We should be able to laugh at the work we produce or enjoy, while at the same time admiring it (we shouldn't have to justify being a bit nutty). Everything from a "most insulting cracks" list to an academic essay, will be seriously considered. Show us what makes you happy, show us what makes you angry. If you have something you think the world should know about, send it here. On image submission: think about the above and what you can do to contribute to that aesthetic. We want diversity: foreground or background images, to illustrate articles or to stand alone. On design: we want diversity here as well, though it should be "linked" by certain elements, such as similar fonts and patterns (for clarity's sake). One favor we ask: let us know at least a few days before the deadline if you plan on doing your own page or part of a page, because we haven't decided on the size yet. Also, we need to know ahead of time because integrating diverse designs takes longer than text. Don't let this dissuade you from giving us something, JUST LET US KNOW! Technical data: we prefer Macintosh text files, EPS image files, ATM type 1 font files, JPEG or TIFF image files, and almost all others. Most all of our work will be done in Freehand 4.0, so if you can send those types of file formats it would be appreciated. Otherwise, indicate what format you use or export an EPS file with the fonts separately and we'll straighten shit out. Talk to us to have control over how you want your submissions to be presented. AND: we'll also accept "analog" materials such as photographs, prints, drawings, written work (typed or legibly written--hey Titonton, this means YOU), etc. For audio: Hi-bias cassettes, vinyl, CD, or DAT will be suitable. Send all materials to: ele ment: step 1 719 S. 5th St. Columbus, OH 43206-2135 or: sines.3@osu.edu (BinHex non-split files welcome, and encouraged!) An internet version of the entire magazine, in both text format and JPEGs of the images, with downloadable fonts, will be available from an FTP site. We will also be considering releasing a disk or CD-ROM in the future. DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS: 7 June 1994 projected publication date: 30 June-2 July 1994 projected circulation: between 500-2000 copies (If you can help distribute, please contact us.) Hope to hear from you soon, --------------------------- the elemental collective todd -- ++ todd sines ~ ++++ tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu / analogue@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ++++ 1770 n high st apt.L columbus, oh 43201 * 614 299 3101 ++ analogue heaven * ars * ele mental * enhanced * sense/net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 00:00:39 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David S. Horowitz" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David S. Horowitz" Subject: Re: Awakening flyers Hey there...I am new to this group and was wondering if you could send me info on Awakening. Thanks... Dave ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 00:48:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Thomas C Noe Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Thomas C Noe Subject: Re: ALCHEMY In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 09 May 1994 13:50:22 -0400 Listen why does everybody always forget me.........<----not a flame? But I have lights I was offering them for the original alchemy and If alchemy happens in about two months time we all may be drouling over a pair of MARTIN ROBOSCANS! Pro 218's babby! I soo jealous that I may go out and spend the money I have been thrifting for a used van. I saW THIS OTHER Dj group at an NYU fashion show.....damn intelligent lights! Forgetr Forget my lights for a sec.....I can offer my sounds too....when we spoke last you said you got a bass bin....the combinaton of our systems should be more than enuff...... I am currently promoting a lot of non rave events but my calender has put emphasis on promoting events....sooo I can promote but I want help with location.....I'd even be willing to take risk and put up a deposit on a site.....But we must speak to a mess of promoters to find out if we face major competition for any date we think about.... so ne=raver reasuorces must be put to use!!! TOM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 07:33:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: hossam: what happened this weekend?! ok, ill make this post to the point... i went to a rave called scott (in philly) and was all set to have a good time. got there, met friends, people were ready to dance, seemed like a good scene... i stowed my bag at a safe (i felt) location at around 11:30....under a friends smart bar set up. i travel alot to raves, and have learned to travel equipped for many contingencies...this means clothes, a camera, etc...i usually have a very full bag. in addition this weekend, i had a substantial amount of money in my wallet which was in my pocket... i was having fun and occasionally going back to my bag to get various things....by this time it was about 1:30-2:00...everything was cool. the party was in full swing. at 2:30 i went back to get something out of my bag and i didnt see it where i had placed it. i immediately sensed it had been taken (as opposed to inadvertently taken by someone mistaking it for theirs...it a common enuff looking bag...big ll bean backpack). i looked around the area, told everyone there what i think had happened, and told everyone i knew at the party to keep an eye out for it...i also alerted security of the situation and was told theyd watch for it, but i had little faith in that statement. i was in a clear state of mind (luckily) and was able to function normally in my search for it. i was distraught at first, and attempted to search the back areas of the site, but to no avail...:( at this point i started getting pissed with the fact that it was stolen at a rave. altho the fact that i was at a rave should not have been reason for me to ignore common sense, i had never had a problems with safety before (again not a reason) and i had become comfortable and not overly paranoid about the safety of my belongings...im sure you all feel the same way to a certain extent. i am not trying to shift the blame from its ultimate source--myself. however my standard mode of operation hadnt given me reason to act any differently at this party, same general crowd as usual, if not for a slightly higher proportion of people who seemed new to the experience (but that wasnt noticed/didnt register at the time). as the nite wore on, i was torn between accepting my fate ("fuck it its gone i mite as well have a good time") and remaining vigilant and pissed for the next 6 hours...i ended up alternating between the 2 modes... at times i felt really sad, on the verge of tears almost...but i didnt want to bring all my friends down after they said they would look for it....what more could i ask of them (i really do appreciate *everyones* efforts of help and support and comfort--all of you)? what began to bother me was the fact that so much of my wordly possessions were in that bag...i had placed my wallet in the bag after i started dancing, unfortunately. :( i had over $100 in that, a camera worth about $200, and various other items including clothes and stuff that totalled about another $350....this does seem extreme when listed like this, but as i said, i was totally comfortable with the placement of the bag and felt no undue irresponsibility in it. (hindsight is 20/20) this monetary loss is a major blow to me. i am in severe financial straits now because of this loss. as time wore on, other things began to occupy my mind...the fact that my address book was in there for one...i have lost tens of numbers that are basically irreplacable. the reason you have a address/phone book is so you dont have to remember everything. that pisses me off. in my camera was a roll of film that contained pictures taken of me and friends from the past several raves i have gone to. these too are lost forever. :( i got to the point where i was not crushed about the stuff in my bag that was replacable (money, clothes, camera) it was those things that i couldnt buy back that pissed me off. not that i have the money for it, but i could buy back everything i lost save certain things like i just mentioned. while irrational on the most basic level, i felt betrayed and violated that this happened at a RAVE. but that is my own naivete. (i am not being bitter, only properly disillusioned--a good thing i think now, and totally honest with myself as well. it was *my fault*) but it hurt to have that inherent sense of trust i felt at raves shattered soooo harshly. where am i going with this? at this point i am just purging. the monetary loss is significant and i would appreciate any help you have to offer in terms of advice/suggestions/offers whatever. however, i am extremely loathe to ask anyone for *anything* that i couldnt do for them. by monday, i was at the point where i was accepting of the fact. those are the breaks. shit happens. but i honestly believe what goes around comes around. and the responsible party will get theirs in spades. as difficult as this time is for me, it has made me stronger, more aware, and confident that there is going to be an upswing to this point in my life. i just want everyone to know...be VIGILIANT and AWARE! i do not mean paranoid. but if u have things which are of value to you, secure them accordingly. use lockers if available (they were at scott) place safety over ease of access. trust has its place at raves, but not the point of naivete...you can not vouch for the integrity or circumstances of any of the other 1000 or so people at a given event. *sigh* it is the thought of replacing things that i *had and owned* again that pisses me off. why should i have to? down to the little things, even. not that i will be able to anytime soon. i am going to be scrambling as it is to attempt to pay my rent. :( i dont know what else to say. in a very honest sense, i feel extremely bitter that this happened to *ME* as i those who know me might be able to say something about this. i love the scene and most of those in it. allow me a moment to say its not fair. *sigh* i really was unable to enjoy myself very much after this, but i did my damndest to keep my spirits up/not drag anyone elses down. but going from being comfortable to suddenly owning only whats IN YOUR POCKETS has a way of depressing a boy. i really didnt know what id do if i found out who did this. after an initial urge to jack them up against a wall, id want to sit down and talk to them and figure/find out WHY they felt/had to do this. i guess thats about it. be careful. dont take shit for granted. peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa **big phat bass soaked beats** vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc (g.l.h.) *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 08:15:00 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Michael Francois (SHA)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Michael Francois (SHA)" Subject: Re: east coast raves In-Reply-To: <199405092207.SAA27501@holmes.umd.edu> >as of lately all the big events on the east coast have been disapointing to >say the least. i've only enjoyed myself at smaller events this year. with the >exception of red, i haven't seen anything even remotely worth remembering. > What about RESOLUTION? That was taking place this year, as well as last !! :) Peace, Myg ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 08:20:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: subjective, half assed review of a rave called scott hello... i arrived at a.r.c.s. uncharacteristically early (11) and waited in line with damian (dieselBoy), and amy and his friend john (from pittsburgh)...in line i saw indigo, and met debba for the first time, altho we didnt get a chance to talk much that evening. the search was uncharacteristically severe, they tossed out a ballpoint pen (could be a weapon/used to tag the walls permanently im sure) and had no problems there...:) i found it humorous that the guy even checked my orange to be sure it wasnt hollow and full of drugs...:) one note tho...they did have female security search the ladies...a nice, professional touch. ;) walked in and placed my bag in the fated place underneath the smart bar and chatted with some friends and walked around and saw who was there...the main room wasnt open yet and peopel waited for over a half hour as last minute things were being done...people got quite impatient tho. all the overhead lights were on as we entered and stayed on for a while, which caused people to comment about them. they were eventually turned off tho to everyones relief. the main room was opened and people rushed inside to hear the first dj (scott richmond) but to me, he was playing standard house with a little bit of a acid edge to it...slow stuff that didnt move me personally...(no offence scott, u had the first slot in a very difficult location and had equipment troubles too--im sure youve had a thousand great sets...im looking forward and wishing u luck for sputnik) so i didnt spend too much time in there, as i was more intent on walking around for the first bit... i was unaccustomed to being at a party so early actually...then the second area was opened (outside by the bumper cars) and people began dancing there as well...i noticed that both areas had definite sound problems with the system going out *completely* at times...:( the site itself was a mini-indoor casper almost...a video arcade, cafeteria, and bumper car ride was present...the bumper cars were fun but i felt it was cheesy u had to pay to ride them after shelling out money for tix as well. there was a merry go round, but it wasnt in operation. and i didnt see a ferris wheel as pictured on the flyer. after attempting to walk around and meet/talk/mingle with people, i eventually decided to forget all that and dance in earnest as i love to do...i was torn because scott henry (a favorite dj of mine) was spinning in one room while damian was spinning along with karl and kaos in the other room. i gave scott a chance first, but he really didnt keep me glued to the floor as he usually does...(but it was his birthday, so who knows how he was celebrating...;) perhaps that had something to do with it. but to me (and this was before anything unfortunate happened to me) it seemed like a pretty uninspired set...so i was basically walking back and forth b/w the 2 rooms judging the crowd and their interest level. there were definitely more people dancing to dieselBoy/karl/kaos' tag team set than scott henry and if there was any migration b/w rooms, the breakbeat didnt have a net loss in relation to scott's set...this was good to see people really enjoying the breaks--which that nite was definitely hardcore...:) it was during the latter half of scott henrys set that my bag was stolen and my nite understandably paled after that...:( :( after scott came DUBTRIBE which absolutely electrified the place...NEVER have i seen a 90 min live pa go so well...in my opinion, it was better than a dj'ed set because of the way the one guy was rocking behind his gear, and people saw him groovin and couldnt help but get into it themselves...:) and the live female vocals that were run thru the effects processor were simply astounding...any promoter who doesnt think pa's work at raves needs to check out DUBTRIBE. i want to see them again. in the other room at this time was nigel richards...and his set was too hard and dark for me, especially in the sad state i was in. after dubtribe came james christian who spun a wikked set. he started off well, then got a little too deep housey, and ended up sounding like a cross b/w wink and scott on a usually good nite. i really liked hearing spastik by plastikman, altho i have been hearing many of the same tracks by major djs on the east coast in the past several weeks of continuous going out...its not that they all sound the same, but there are a few certain styles that seem to really move the east coast and each party appears to follow a formula (exceptions abound, lenny dee at sm4, along with the breakbeat at a.r.c.s. and greg sargent at sm4) of house and trance and altho the djs may differ slightly, the tunes have been all (sounding) the same for a large part. :( DJ's: take some risks! push the boundaries...you are the ones who are most responsible for how our scene sounds... PROMOTERS: do not be afraid to hire djs who are creative. just cause it doesnt sound like it did at red or the sm parties or whatever is is NOT A BAD THING. we are sick of the same tired, played out house and trance. we thrive on variety. i am sick of almost dancing the same way to the same tracks during the past several weeks. after nigel in the main room was micro i think, but i was too distraught to pay attention to his set. after micro was the hardkiss bros. but sorry, not interested. maybe if i was happier. i enjoyed boy blake starting up the last set (i left at 8) he was good, even working with mixer with broken (inoperative) crossfader that those breakbeat hooliganz wrecked...:) again, no king britt, and wink was supposed to take part in the "philly phunkathon" :) but i didnt see him...did he after i left? after boy blake i think was dozia (tall balck guy with nice dreads--was that him) but i didnt hear what he was spinning. ok...there were many many many people sitting around and talking or doing the other things that the site offered. this is cool. it is a fun change. but i would rather see everyone grooving than playing outrun or mortal kombat ii...:) thank you 611, buzz, primal, etc (you too alan...:) for allowing us to have fun at that location. its a change, but bells and whistles...do not a vibe create...:) again thats a feeling that i think a dj brings out of the crowd, he doesnt create it...at best they can guide it. that was a rave called scott for me. i am burned out and in no rush to go to another party really soon, so i will probably take a break till rave the bay (yes i am gonna wait *that* long...;) or perhaps likely even wait till sputnik 4 (that is an exciting lineup, scott and mr kleen dont dissapoint us!! :) wishing you all the best and please stay careful and safe. peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa **big phat bass soaked beats** vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc (g.l.h.) *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 09:55:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: plur, vibe and other aspects of the east coast scene (imo) me again. i have thought alot this weekend... first off, i really appreciate your support, i only wish your condolences helped me out as much as i wish they could in a real, physical sense...:/ but my topic is... the past several balt/dc/philly events i have gone to (what i am referring to as the east coast...sorry brooklyn, l.i., boston, etc) have been generally fun but i have noticed a definite fixation upon the shallower aspects of raving at them. namely:-fashion and how cool you look hanging out/while dancing... -schmoozing (it seems that its almost become this clique-ey circle of a hundred or two people who "know" each other and everyone else and arent very outgoing towards others) -and of course the topic of drug use at these parties.... ill try to address them one by one and shoot me if i stray to far...:P the fashion thing isnt so bad...alot of us like making a deal out of going out and dress to show off to our friends and others. not bad in itself, but when this translates into looking down on others whose gear isnt as phat as yours, because they dont have those $80 pants or that cute lil adidas dress (you girls all look the same in them, btw...:P) its a bad thing. that guy over there in the levis and the tshirt and chucks isnt any worse than you b/c its his first time or because his mommy and daddy didnt care how their kids spent the money...:P or however you happen to get money to drop on gear, ok? look beyond appearances. true beauty is in the heart and soul and if u dont believe me or think thats cheesy then fuck off. (yes i have an attitude today) ok secondly...the schmoozing aspect. you kids know *exactly* who u are. it is necessary to have a vibrant, core group of kids who go to all the parties and are the extreme, familiar faces at *all* the parties...these are the kids that i have seen at parties from richmond, to dc, balt, philly and boston...kids who travel as much as me who are every where. these people are important because they provide a solid base for party-goers. these are the kids who the promoters try to win over, because they tell their friends and when 200 of this kids drag 3 of their friends along with them, thats 800 right there...in my opinion these are the kids who apparently are knowledgeable about what they like to hear/dance to...i think what these kids go for more than anything else is the prospect of exciting lineups... unfortunately, b/w the promoters and this group, they seem to have settled on a certain style that is a happy medium for everyone. these kids go out to hear the same djs b/c they know they will either deliver a consistent level of acceptable performance or at the very least will spin their current "favorite" tracks (i'll let someone else venture into the politics and shit that go behind what tracks get played where and how it affects kids preferences) ...i know that along with other kids who give more of a shit about their music than a 4/4 and an acid line, i am growing tired of this shit and **DEMAND** (its our right!!) new and varied lineups...try different forms of house and funk, id like to hear some danceable intelligent techno at a rave (id LOVE to hear "eggshell" by autechre or a richard h kirk track ONCE at a rave!!) you like trance, my god you could wig out dancing to this shit... musically it is so creative and it will be such a welcome change grooving to those bass heavy, beautifully melodic lines...you SAW how breaks moved the crowd at scott, WE WANT TO BE EXCITED AGAIN (lord knows our attention/interest spans are short enuff ;) !! ok, i took one bullet there for straying...:) i was trying to say that these core groups of ravers have a responsibilty for being the ambassadors for our scene, as they are the truest representatives...all i am seeing out of them right now is a fixation on themselves with occasional glimmers of vibe and/or peace love, unity and respect. there are scenes such as st louis and montreal that are alot more ideal in my opinion than the east coast right now...the love that is spreading out of st louis and extending throughout the midwest up to the north is *amazing*...phat ass vibes and kids dancing together in spirit of love and unity..it really is beautiful and can be felt at these parties....how do i know? because i talk to kids from there *everyday* (on vrave) and have attended more thana handful of them myself...check out the next superstars of love party in st louis or *any* event that jsquared promotions throws in the cincinnatti or lexington areas.... as for montreal, i have talked to a few kids from there as well. it seems that tiga and the dna posse have really taken their time and built up a strong and beautiful scene. i havent made it up there yet, but i hope to this summer, and encourage any of you who can to attend one as well. i just dont see the emphasis on vibe anymore around here? why cant promoters staple a small leaflet along with each flyer? that would go a long ways to helping i feel, when the promoter places (as jsquared says) "maximum priority to the vibe"...if ANY promoter would like to have any ideas for plur leaflets, _please_ email me, i have several i could send your way....or better yet, sit down and take a minute to compose you *own* thoughts....it is your party. let people know what you would ideally like to see/accomplish at your event (besides trying to break even) once this emphasis is reestablished, the ravers have a duty to put this into practice. we have all had transcendant experiences at raves, now that this has happened, lets not get stagnant and feed off memories. lets create new experiences so that we dont rob the new school of these opportunities...i am afraid that they are only experiencing raves as a place to get fucked up for the nite. from rave's roots back in detroit, to its transplantation to the uk/europe, where the movement was so strong it went from renegade underground parties a few hundred strong to massive, multi-day 30,000 (can u imagine?!) spectacles with atmospheres that have been unrivaled...we haev something so beautiful and special here, i hate to see it demeaned into something that is a lot more crass/base than it can be. this brings me to the final point. drugs. k, greens (pcp), smack...all this bullshit. what the fuck is it doing in our scene! reject it. leeches who are feeding off of our desire to come together and have a good time are trying to profit unfairly and to our HARM! i heard this statmenet the other day--"kids in baltimore have come to expect k in their e...they like it" what the fuck?!! and the sad thing is its true...:( on ketamine you get a numbing sensation along with hallucinations...unlike lsd, which generally gives you visuals along the lines of a warping/intensification of what you would normally see, on k you see shit THAT SIMPLY DOESNT EXIST! this can be a very bad scene if you are having anysort of stress/trouble in your life (as most of us are) as it can freak your shit up *very* badly....alot of kids are doing e along with k, or e with k in it, so that they can get these tripped out hallucinations, and they rely on the e to put them in a happy state of mind so that what they see doesnt mess them up. i have known people who have done k by itself and have been seriously messed up during the experience either because of the freakishness of what they saw or the fact that they got sucked into themselves (fallen into a k hole)...:( i just find it sick that there are kids out there who are so messed up and they just want to go out, get *completely* wiped and consider it a normal, good time...:( we need to send a message to the people who are pushing this shit that we have had enuff. if u agree with me, dont buy (if u choose to) from dealers whose stuff is either known or suspected to be bad....tell your friends and everyone else to stop buying from these people. and this means buying *anything* they have, not just what happens to be shit. let them know that they cant profit off of killing our scene. if u choose to do drugs, *please* try to do it from reputable people, (yes they do exist) and if u want, let others know who is selling good stuff so that we dont have kids who unknowingly pay up to $30 for one hit of what they think is e and turns out to be a mix of crystal meth, smack and k that keeps them in the dark corners clutching their guts and freakin out for 8 hours...:( alot of you remember the shit "sweet tarts" ("e") that was going around at resolution, and just recently at 10 in portland, there was supposedly alot of really crap stuff going around that really messed people up...:( if u choose to do drugs, be intelligent about it. read up about them. (you can get tremendous info on drugs at techno.stanford.edu) it has loads of info on e, acid, and a drug i think alot of kids on the east coast would like if they knew more about it...2cb. thats about it. i really felt a lack of plur at a.r.c.s. and in addition to what happened to me made me determined to speak out. got a problem with what ive said? lets discuss it. here or in email. you decide whats appropriate. (or i will) id really like to help spread a good vibe at our parties, but with the current state it seems to be in, i can only admit that i think i would be/feel ridiculed to try it in the current environment. if anyone would like to help me, lemme know. i dont want to be looked upon as an extremist or someone who is forcing my viewpoint upon others, but i have to say and try to do what i feel is right. lets gets this back on track. peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa **big phat bass soaked beats** vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc (g.l.h.) *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 10:07:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: request (attn:promoters) a friend asked me to post in hopes of trying to get a few contact numbers... i know there are a few booking agents who handle the gigs for many of the major east coast djs...basically i am looking for contacts for the following djs: (nyc) joeski (is it one agent for all the smooth groove posse?), keoki, james christian, on-e anyone? (david from nasa? :) (dc) scott henry yo lonnie...:) (fl) andy hughes can someone please fwd this to the se-raves list as well, maybe someone there can help... (sf) eric davenport, carlos again, if someone could fwd this to sfraves in the hopes of getting some info, it would be greatly appreciated....:) feel free to email me if you would like further information/details concerning this upcoming event (it is not mine), and i can answer questions you might have, put u in contact with the events organizer. thanks loads. peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa **big phat bass soaked beats** vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc (g.l.h.) *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 10:38:50 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: request (attn:promoters) i have a demo tape of andy hughs. he is QUITE good. on a demo tape errors are magnified. level changes, rough beat matches just sound 100X worse on tape than on a dance floor. i did not hear an error on the tape. too, the music selection is great. there are not many things better to crank on the road and have used this tape on my radio show--crediting andy of course. his musical style is a type of p-house and acid with some break influence. listening to the tape, i can only say it is a GREAT melange og good tunes. if you'd like a copy of the demo tape, mail me a blank tape with return postage. i do have andy hughes permission to distribute this tape. you may reach andy hughes at djagh@aol.com dj haZard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 11:55:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: Hi ravers! In-Reply-To: <199405091918.PAA25516@holmes.umd.edu> from "uf341ea@HPMAIL.LRZ-MUENCHEN.DE" at May 9, 94 09:18:09 pm also you should check out bliss, limelight and tunnel mi-t ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 12:04:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "dAncE...dAncE!!" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "dAncE...dAncE!!" Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania Subject: goodbye...:~( i guess i should have posted this a bit earlier, but, oh well.... i am leaving school for the summer, and, i will no longer have net access..:( so, if will be in the pittsburgh area..and needs to crash, or wants to hang out, give me a call... :) michelle danny 1351 renton rd. pittsburgh pa 15239 (412) 798-9834 <--my room # 793-8998 <--my moms # well, all you kids have a nice summer, have fun, RAVE TILL DAWN ;)... but, please, when having all your fun remember, what it is all about, and most of all be careful... :) plur... michelle *hugs* dAncE...dAncE...dAncE...dAncE...dAncE...dAncE...dAncE...dAncE...dAncE...dAncE.. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 13:35:38 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Subject: happy!! H A P P Y S O L A R E C L I P S E Peace, jennifer Smeddy Jenn-bug ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 14:08:56 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: eclipse does funny things... strange things happen during eclipses. i just saw two bums stop picking cans out of a dumpster to join some other people in viewing the eclipse through one of those box contraptions. and i also saw taylor808 holding a bong :) well, in this month's High Times anyways :) good section on "rave clothes". jason jinx is in it too. and deitrich too. and other people. byebye chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 14:17:58 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: east coast raves In-Reply-To: <199405101219.IAA01529@holmes.umd.edu> from "Michael Francois" at May 10, 94 08:15:00 am resolution was a truly phat party. I drove 8 hours squshed in a car w/ 4 other people for the hell ride but it was all forgotten as soon as i stepped into the cow palace. It was so incredible that I wrote a speech on it for class. I'll remember it forever and I'll be waiting for the next Ultraword party that i can make it to. Mi-t ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 14:19:39 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , kzimmerman@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Re: eclipse oh! i was wondering why it was so dark... =) i got up a little past noon and the sky was clear yet it was kinda dark, and i was pretty confused by it...thought i had damaged my iris or something =) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 14:46:20 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: eclipse groovy, it looked perfect here in cortland :) saw it great! the profesor let us out of the exam to see it, then let us go back in when we wanted to :) nice sunny day and a grrrreat view :) if anybody hums "I'll see you on the dark side of the moon".. punch them for me, will you please :) rave on 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 14:48:55 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Alex Agranov Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Alex Agranov Subject: review of Eclipse rave I just had to post this review right now cause I'm still RUSHIng from this wicked event...I can hardly keep my fingers on the keys. Anyways, I got to the site just a little early, at about a quarter to 1:00, but already there were loads of people there, at least 15 or 16. I got into the groove immediately, which consisted of some trippy, aciddy, trance stuff with a heavy bass line that just made me wanna show them muthas how to move! My phat new pumas were steppin out pretty, as I glimpsed up at the full eclipse around 1:10. I couldn't help but wish I was tripping as I looked around at all the neat, circular, double shadows of the leaves and such, but it was dawning on me that it was almost time to go. I stuck around for a little bit, until about 1:35, and watched all the equipment being put away, not wanting to leave, not wanting to forget.... oh well. siiiike-a-boo-boo! hey, whoever said a half-hour rave couldn't happen? -a al ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:04:23 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Handi-boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Handi-boy Subject: eclipse it might be too late now, but if you are in an area where you can see the eclipse, be sure to look at the shadows of trees (especially where the leaves are) ... all i can say is wow. this whole eclipse thing is like tripping when you're sober... everything looks subtly different cause there's slightly less sun... and the shadows are all wacky and fuzzy :) but sometimes they put acid in my drinks at work, and it might be that -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:07:41 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Phinneas Gage (do you know who that is?)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Phinneas Gage (do you know who that is?)" Subject: Re: eclipse does funny things... In-Reply-To: <9405101810.AA20629@media.mit.edu>; from "secret agent #33" at May 10, 94 2:08 pm i have to agree with chris this eclipse is doing wonderful things for the PLUR vibe new england wide (and proabably everyhwere else...) i was just walking around, letting people borrow the glasses that were given out at work...it was so cool...people coming to gether, dogs and cats living in harmony... really neat :) -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 14:46:13 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Matt Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Matt Subject: mix it up or mix it down? Hey, I just saw the posts on mixing, and here's my two cents. I definitely think that Frankie Bones holds the award for length of a mix. Although I haven't heard every DJ at this point, I will say that in general Bones leaves the cross fader in between the right and left channels longer than any other DJ I've heard. I know that sometimes he'd much rather swing his arms in the air and yell in the mic than mix, but that doesn't mean he's not capable. Even when Bones is spinning hardcore, he still draws out the mix really long. That's his style. I think that that's also one of the reasons that Brooklyn hardcore has its own distinct style, separate from Dutch and German hardcore. Brooklyn hardcore, when it first started out anyway, was happier and had more of a noticeable house influence. You have to remember that Frankie was a house DJ for something like ten years before he even knew about techno. Adam X has said that he was listening to house and underground hip hop before he knew about techno; he's also said that Jimmy and Lenny (yeah, that's Mad Dog Lenny!) used to spin house or underground hip hop back in the day. So maybe that's a good indication why Frankie's style works so well for him. As far as other styles go, this is what I think. Once you start playing with stuff that's more intense, like hardcore, you face a little bit of a dilemma with mixing. Should I just fade smoothly, or should I mix it up as much as possible? Of course, a good DJ will be able to do both, but some things are definitely more conducive to hard stuff than others. Repete does mix it up much more than other DJs like Frankie, but in my opinion, his stlye is more the really fast beat match and crossfade. He definitely plays with the cross- fader a bit, but what he likes to do more is just match the two tracks up as quickly as possible, and then do a quick fade from one channel to the other. For me, hardcore is a little bit too intense to have a long fade. I don't think it sounds too nice to have too much layered on top of the track that's playing for too long, because there's already a lot of stuff going on in hardcore. I also don't like to mix out of a track after only playing a minute of that track. That doesn't mean that I can't beat match well, and it doesn't mean that I'm slow at beat matching or mixing. There's so much cool stuff going on in the tracks that I like to play, that I like them to play from the first cool point to the last cool point. But by itself that gets boring. So instead of picking my nose while the track is playing, I try to get all that shit matched up as soon as possible, and then I like to play with the levels and the crossfader and all that. That's why I end up sampling so many crazy drum kicks over so many other crazy drum kicks, and that's also why I like to sample vocal samples. And there's something to be said, in my opinion, about breaking up a repeated melody or sample with some crazy bass kicks, especially when I'm about to get REAL crazy. Yeah, I like the word crazy. All in all, I haven't said anything else that anyone else hasn't said. When I'm spinning slower stuff, like midtempo acid, I definitely prefer the sssslllllllloow mix to the one or two measure mix, but there are still those cases with midtempo acid that cry out "DAMN, BROTHA, YOU KNOW I'M A PHAT BEAT, WHY DON'T YOU SAMPLE ME?" and there's still stuff in hardcore (from Brooklyn, Germany, and Holland) that calls for a slow mix. And practicing all that on your setup at home should make it obvious which works best and in which situation. That's why we still have live DJs at events, and don't just throw on that week's mix tape. Peace MATT DJ Fresh BLend ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:17:45 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , groovybass Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Re: eclipse >it might be too late now, >but if you are in an area where you can see the eclipse, be sure >to look at the shadows of trees (especially where the leaves are) >... > >all i can say is wow. > >this whole eclipse thing is like tripping when you're sober... >everything looks subtly different cause there's slightly less sun... >and the shadows are all wacky and fuzzy :) > >but sometimes they put acid in my drinks at work, and it might be >that > >-John I know what you mean. when I came out of school at about 1:15 everything looked so funky! it was like those times when there are dark grey storm clouds but it's still really sunny, and the trees seem to stand out really brightly. kenji groovybass@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:53:28 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBERT71@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBERT71@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me for the time being becasue I'm going home for summer and have no real access to a computer. Unsubscribe Ne-raves ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 16:32:58 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Subject: Re: request (attn:promoters) Yes!! I have the Andy Hughes mix tape also. It's called Timeless Land and it is a very good tape.........quality and musical selections. It seems that he has taken a lot of time and done a good job on this tape so check it out. Just thought I'd throw in my .02 cents :) Noj ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 16:40:08 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Phil Z Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Phil Z Subject: Re: eclipse does funny things... At 03:07 PM 5/10/94 EDT, Phinneas Gage (do you know who that is?) wrote: >i have to agree with chris >this eclipse is doing wonderful things for the PLUR vibe new england wide >(and proabably everyhwere else...) > > >i was just walking around, letting people borrow the glasses that were given >out at work...it was so cool...people coming to gether, dogs and cats >living in harmony... When I was walking back from a late lunch in downtown NYC the eclipse was in full gear, and lots of people were standing around the street using various devices to view it. It was nice seeing people who evidently didn't know each other having a good time together eyeing (well, not literally) a natural phenomenon. My favorite scene was a couple of office women trying on welding helmets to look at the sky! And I thought people wore some funky stuff to raves sometimes... :) Phil Z ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 17:44:35 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: eclipse does funny things... In-Reply-To: <199405102040.QAA06612@holmes.umd.edu> if there was an eclipse every day this "getting along" thing probably wouldn't happen, as it would most likely be taken for granted. but what if the setting of the sun still facinated/scared people :) i bet we'd all get along. chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 18:09:35 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , WILL-E Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: WILL-E Subject: "Cybertribe Rising" & goodbye for now After a chat with Hossam/Sphinx about a few things in private mail, he recommended I read this article that was archived on techno.stanford.edu in the /spirit directory. I was having a very hard day at work. The eclipse today certainly did some weird things. I depart for San Francisco in less than 48 hours and I found this article very appropriate. It was posted almost this time last year (Beltane) and I found it has so much significance for these days. It really put things into perspective for me. I hope it does the same for you. It's not that long. For those leaving school at this time of year, consider this an end of term present from me. It's for all of you to think about this summer while we are partying. and thanks Hossam for recommending this to me! I expect I'll still check my mail on occasion while I'm gone but I won't be on the list for awhile. Fortune be with you all! will ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From umt@nexsys.net Wed Aug 10 23:27:49 1994 Date: Sat, 1 May 93 11:44:27 PDT From: Universal Movement Trinity To: ComeUniverse@nexsys.net Cc: IZZYQH5@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU, ajenner@mhc.mtholyoke.edu, uk-dance@orbital.demon.co.uk, wkimball@cgl.ucsf.EDU Subject: CyberTribe Rising (Beltane Communique) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Sisters and Brothers, Greetings and a merry Beltane to all of you out there in the ComeUniverse. We at UMT will be burning the Beltane fires bright tonight and thinking about all of you and our planet as we celebrate. Enclosed you will find the lead article for CyberTribe-5 a new zine published by umt here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Hope you like it! umt-editor CYBERTRIBE RISING Consider the present situation. The Industrialized World wakes up to find itself in a quandary. Perhaps the technological confrontation between the two ideologies of Communism and Capitalism, known as the "Cold War", was mearly a device for global control that was expedient and advantageous for the regimes which held the rest of the world at nuclear ransom. We are told that the "good guys" have won, and that the world is now safe from the threat of the "evil empire". We find ourselves left with only one Superpower, which has taken upon itself the job of enforcer for a "New World Order". But what is the nature of the victory that this New World Order has brought us? The ozone layer is still depleted, and continues to become thiner and thiner. People are still starving in the world, while food is rotting in warehouses. A deadly disease is ravaging the continent of Africa and threatens the very fabric of the industrial populations, and the Last Superpower, our Superpower, refuses to spend even a fraction of the amount that it spends on nuclear weaponry, on finding a cure. We ravers, as a new breed of individuals, have a unique chance to make a difference in the world we live in. Most of you, for better or worse, who are reading this, reside in the United States or some other industrialized nation. You probably came across this at a rave or house party. Some of you have had profound experiences of togetherness and and a sense of community while attending events such as this. What we need to do as a group is to expand this feeling out into our lives and into the global community. As a group, we are incredibly diverse. We are multi-racial, multi-ethnic and multi-talented. We are artists and engineers, dancers and bankers, doctors and lawyers, scientists and mystics. In many respects, we are the "result" of the goals of the 60's. We have learned to interrelate, communicate, and party with each other across lines of race, gender, class and sexual preference. We all have come together under one "House" to share a few moments in Eternity before we go back to our jobs in the "real world". Consider what the "real world" would be like if part of our jobs were to spread that sense of Unity and Togetherness that we experience within the Rave "Family", to others that we come in contact with. We who live in the industrialized nations have access to incredible technologies, these technologies, like all forms of power, can be used to harm or to heal. The choice is left up to you and me to decide, right now, how our current and emerging energies, wealth and technologies will be used. Over the last 40 years, the Dominator culture has developed a paradigm, often referred to in military circles as C^3 I, or Command , Control Communication and Intelligence. The doctrine of C^3I has grown up from the early work of Norbert Wiener who coined the word _cybernetics_ [from the greek kyberne-te-s; to pilot or steer] to refer to the "comparative study of the automatic control system formed by the nervous system and brain and by mechanical-electrical communication systems". Early cybernetics research was used in WW II to develop swivel and turret systems for anti-aircraft gun platforms. It laid the foundation for the advent of the digital computer. Subsequently, C3I was developed as a way to manage and control everything from the outcome of battles to the deployment of disaster forces, to the missions of the space shuttle. We have a chance to transform and mutate this technology of control and domination, into a technology of sharing and cooperation. What is needed is a new paradigm based upon the cybernetic model, but with the additional ideas from Deep Ecology, Distributed Systems Theory and the "New Physics". For lack of a better term, I refer to this as C5I2 - Community, Consensus, Cooperation, Communication, Cybernetics, Intelligence and Intuition. The old C3I is a vertical control structure. Information passes from a select few at the top, down to the masses at the bottom. The new C5I2 is a horizontal control structure. Information passes from small groups to other small groups through what some call the Web, an interconnected communications network made up of mail, word-of-mouth, phone-trees, VCRs, FAX machines, audio cassettes, free software and computer networks. Control is not centralized in one person, group or place. Each person is individualy responsible for their piece of the whole. If for some reason, they are unable to be responsible, their immediate group will assist them. Groups assist and interact with other groups and communities to form a Web of control and responsibility that is much more powerful then just having individual "leaders". When we come together for a ritual such as a Full Moon Rave on a remote beach, we are creating what author Hakim Bey calls a Temporary Autonomous Zone. A rave creates a TAZ of relatively short duration, only a few hours, but during that time, we are functioning at the level of _Community_. In the area that has been appropriated, a separate code of ethics and behavior can be enacted. The Authorities are troubled when it becomes apparent that sections of society don't want or need their policing activities. It is not part of their model of society to have a gathering of several hundred people from diverse backgrounds and classes without the eruption of violence and exploitation. The Authorities are frightened because they are not needed; which means they no longer are in control. Think about the ramifications of this. The strength of a TAZ formed by rave activity is not measured in how many people possess weapons or how well they can out smart or out flank the police, but in how well the group can function as a community, reach consensus during a crisis, and cooperate to insure the safety of each and every member of the group. When we are raving, it is important to remember that if we don't want to have the authorities at our events, then we, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, HAVE TO BE THE AUTHORITIES. This does not mean that we should have "raver police forces", that's the old, Dominator way of thinking. What needs to happen is that we have to be just a little bit more AWARE of what goes on around us, and learn to take care of people in our immediate "family" as well as looking out for others outside of our immediate circle of friends. If we want to have parties in remote or underground locations, we need to be able to handle minor emergencies like administering first-aid, CPR and being able to "talk down" someone. This is what building Community is all about. Consensus and Cooperation go hand in hand with Community. Consensus means collective opinion or general agreement, it doesn't mean that you have to have the same beliefs as your group. What it means is that you are willing to support the general direction that the Community is going in or, if you feel strongly about something, that you take responsibility for getting your point across. With Communities that work by consensus, the whole group cannot move forward unless EVERYONE agrees or at least agrees to allow movement, (i.e. steps out of the way). This is not the same as attempting to change an agreed upon decision once it has been decided, but it can include forming a contingency plan if you feel that the decision is "doomed to failure". The former is sabotage, the latter is supportive. The majority opinion of the group also has a duty not to " bull-dose" their opinion over the minority. Remember, one person who firmly holds their ground should be enough to stop what ever the majority decision might be. That is the essence of consensus. Cooperation insures that individuals or sub-groups don't abuse their powers of veto or opinion, this is not an easy thing to achieve in practice and is the major place that consensual governments break down. Communication and Cybernetics constitute the areas of opportunity and challenge for our group. The creative and dynamic use of these technologies will make the difference between a "flash in the pan" fad, or a serious contribution to global culture that we could make as the _CyberTribe_. It is not necessary for each and everyone of us to be a Hacker or "Computer Geek" but we, as a group, should all strive to become "computer literate". Just as you don't need to be an auto mechanic to drive a car, you don't need to be a programmer to be skillful at the use of computers. As the realm of computers and telecommunications continues to merge, computer literacy will become as important as standard literacy is today. The CyberTribe exist today. All over the world, thousands of ravers communicate daily via e-mail over an international computer network called the INTERNET. They do everything from exchanging information on the latest _techno_ trax, to planning and organizing raves, to discussing the Scene, politics, and the ultimate meaning of life. E-mail has turned out to be an invaluable tool for keeping in touch with folks in our "family" as well as the worldwide "Family". It also is a great aid at building consensus and cooperation. _Virtual sites_, such as the VRAVE telnet port, function 24 hours a day and provide a meeting place where ravers from all over the world can meet, share ideas and socialize. When Personal Communicators (pagers that can send and receive data) come on-line in the near future, the CyberTribe will be able to communicate with each other at the speed of light. At no other time in history has a movement had the facilities of high speed communication at their disposal; this is significant, but technology alone is not enough to make a difference. Each and every one of us must strive to become more aware, and more loving. Not because our parents or some other authority want it, but because it is necessary if we, our movement, and our House (planet) are going to survive in the comming years. Intelligence and Intuition are the glue that binds these diverse areas into a functioning, organic whole. Intelligence as we use it here, is the accumulation of knowledge. On a mundane level, it is knowing the laws, behavior, policies and procedures that the Authorities will utilize in their dealings with us; for example the techniques the Milwaukee Police used to bust 950 people at a rave last year and the legal strategies the ravers used to combat this type of harassment by the police. (400 people pleaded not guilty and the charges were dropped, the Milwaukee raver community is now filing a class action suit against the City for civil rights violations) On a higher level, it is learning about the nature of the environment around you, which includes everything from paying attention to and caring for your body (It's your piece on the monopoly board of life) to learning to care for the Planetary environment. We are at the vanguard of western culture, both socially and technologically, and as we gather and use Intelligence information we must temper it's use with Intuition. Intuition can be summed up most simply by the phrase "Do the Right Thing". If we look deep into our Hearts, we can always find that place where we know what the next step is. It may not be the thing that our parents or our teachers or our leaders may want or tell us to do but it is the thing that will always feel "right". Sometimes it is hard to tune into this place and find where our Intuition speaks to us. Sometimes you have to just be still, but it is always there. When people as a whole are acting from combined Intelligence and Intuition, laws become unnecessary because it becomes obvious what does and doesn't work. One way to look at all of this is to view C5I2 as the technology behind Temporary Autonomous Zones, and to see the CyberTribe as a step towards the realization of Global T.A.Z. networks. The economic and social strategies for this type of network are already being practiced on a basic level. What we need more of is, "Family values" but not the family that the dominator culture speaks of, but the Global Family. This type of awareness can start with your own individual "rave" family and spread out from there. There are simple things that each of us can do that increase the economic strength of the CyberTribe, like buying from other people in the "Family" as much as possible, bartering for goods and services with other Family members and offering discounts. These activities help to circulate our available monies within the CyberTribe and gives the Tribe better overall buying power when purchases have to be made "outside". It also makes it more difficult for opportunists to exploit the trends and creativity that we have as a group. As we grow older and the Web becomes stronger and more extensive, economic prosperity will extend with it. It's up to us to pick up the pieces of a post Communist/Capitalist, Us/Them "Dominator Culture" world and transform it into a "Partnership Culture" world of "Global Unity with respect for Cultural Diversity". It can be done, but it will take work, mostlikely all of our lifetimes at the least, but when all is said and done, we will leave to our children, an intact planet which, will be back on the road to health and prosperity, rather than a sick, dying, world, flitting from crisis to crisis, awaiting the apocalypse. The choice is ours now, as we gather together in our dance rituals to build "the feelings of togetherness, instill courage and break down emotional and mental barriers". Remember in the months and years to come as this tapestry that we call the Scene unfolds... "THEY MIGHT STOP THE PARTY, BUT THEY CAN'T STOP THE FUTURE" Beltane 1993 (c) copyout, 1993. May be freely pirated and quoted - the publishers and authors, however, would like to be informed at: umt@nexsys.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBVAgUBK+LB8riN4ocyoXNpAQFAOgIA3qBuI4FRTKmBbPKk7bX/ZTX5lEr9TQZc lpqjUOERCGZr10N0BAR3mcZJItHhjkVJ+NrJ5jCXH8Se9KwE+wR27w== =Itfc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 18:15:00 EST Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Machine Media <0005995336@MCIMAIL.COM> Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Machine Media <0005995336@MCIMAIL.COM> Subject: Eclipse?? JS> but sometimes they put acid in my drinks at work, and it might be that Cool!! Tell me, are they hiring?? :D ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 21:02:36 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , General Unix Account Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: General Unix Account Subject: net-gathering-->Kingdom.... Hello to all net-ravers I am going to make net-badges for all the net-ravers who are going to come to THE KINGDOM OF THE BLIND. If you are interested please send me your name and your net-address. send to: stu1008@discover.wright.edu Kourosh ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 21:11:01 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , General Unix Account Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: General Unix Account Subject: Kingdom... um.. thought some people might not know what the hell Kingdom Of The Blind is. Well it is an event in ohio (dayton, specifically), happening Saturday May 21st with dj's Lenny Dee (IS Records), Repete (NYC), DBX (+8 detroit), and Derrick Carter (Organico Recording artist, chicago), and more... 513.496.1071 is the infoline #, PLUR kourosh ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 21:35:53 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Helene Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Helene Subject: Re: eclipse In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 10 May 1994 15:04:23 EDT from I saw the shadows from the trees, you could see little crescents :) but the best way to see it is by looking through a UV filter because you can really folow its path :) Helene. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 18:56:03 PDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Neil Rest Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Neil Rest Subject: FYI: English anti-rave bill I'm no longer on the lists, due to time/bandwidth pressure, but thought this needed forwarding: From the-concourse-on-high Wed Aug 10 23:27:55 1994 To: gwl10@PHOENIX.CAMBRIDGE.ac.uk, anarchy-list@cwi.nl, pob1000@PHOENIX.CAMBRIDGE.ac.uk, gpjt100@PHOENIX.CAMBRIDGE.ac.uk Subject: criminal justice bill > Subject: CRIMINAL JUSTICE BILL !! > The following is lifted from a pamphlet published in February by the "Advance > Party" > > This is information provided by the FREEDOM NETWORK c/o The Old Dolehouse/ > 372 Coldharbour Lane, LONDON SW9 (Tel: 071 738 6721) > > On Monday 24th January 1994, the Criminal Justice and Public Order Bill entered it's committee stage in Parliament. If it goes through, it could *wipe out* the > entire underground party scene and many other alternative lifestyles by making > them *criminal offences, punishable by heavy fines and PRISON!* > > Section 47 of the Bill states: > > Any `gathering' of 100 or more people on a piece of land becomes a CRIMINAL > OFFENCE, *even if the landowner gives his/her permission*, if any of the > following conditions apply: > > a) The event has not been given an entertainment licence by the local Council. > > b) The site is at least partly open to the air (this can be open to wide > interpretation - after all, any ventilation outlet in a warehouse is `open to > the air'!), so virtually any kind of venue could get busted. > > c) Amplified music, which includes "sounds wholly or predominantly > characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats (!!!)" is > played at night in a way which may `cause serious distress' to the area's > residents because of it's volume/duration and the time that it is being played. > > The `gathering' is still classed as such even during breaks in the music and > during the daytime, if it continues for longer than a day, with or without music. > And (it gets worse) if you are with more than 9 (nine!) people on a piece of > land, a Police Superintendent can direct you to leave with your vehicles and > property if he thinks that you are *preparing a `gathering', attending one or > even waiting for one to start*. You must leave as long as the Police have > taken `reasonable steps' to inform you of the situation. And what if you don't > leave? (or go within five miles of the place before a week is over?) Well.... > YOU'RE NICKED MATE!! Penalties are a Level 4 fine (about 3000 pounds) or at > the worst, *3 months INSIDE...* The Police will direct you away from the venue, > outside a *five mile `exclusion zone'!* > > Section 48 of this Bill states - if a `direction to leave' has been given by a > Police Superintendent and the people gathering on the site have not complied with > this order or anyone has been arrested for an offence (i.e. not leaving the site > when the coppers tell you to), a constable (or 5 units of armed T.S.G..) can > enter the venue by force, and *seize any sound equipment or vehicles belonging > to those involved in committing an offence under Section 47*. The seized > equipment can be kept by the Police until the people arrested appear before > Court, and the magistrates can make an `order of forfeiture' against it, which > means you lose all rights of ownership. To claim for the stuff back you have to > a) make the claim within 6 months of th court order, and b) prove to the court > that you had either not consented to the `offender' having it, or not known or > suspected that it was intended to be used for an illegal gathering. The Police > keep seized vehicles, and can charge for their retention, "safe keeping", > disposal, and DESTRUCTION! > > The only people who are considered exempt from arrest, seizure of property and > redirection inside the 5 mile zone are "the occupier of the site, any member of\ > his family and any employee or agent of his and any other person whose home is > the site of the `gathering'". ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > <<< end forward NeilRest@ecotone.toad.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 22:30:35 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , netmag Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Net Mag Subject: SPUTNIK IV SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS ******************************* SPUTNIK IV SATURDAY JUNE, 11 ********** DJ LINEUP ************* SVEN VAN HEES & REMY UNGER (Global Cuts/R&S Records Belgium) LUKE SLATER (GPR Recordings/U.K.) DJ EFX AND DJ DIGIT (3RD Floor Prod./San Francisco) DERRICK CARTER (Organico Records/Chicago) DJ DUKE (ffrr Records/NYC) FRANKIE BONES (Groove Records/Brooklyn) KEOKI (Moonshine Music/NYC) JOHN ACQUAVIVA (+8 Records/Detroit/Toronto) WINK (Ovum/Philadelphia) SCOTT HENRY (Fever/Baltimore/D.C.) ABRAXAS (Fierce Ruling Diva/Holland/NYC) TIGA (DNA/Montreal) MR KLEEN (Satellite/NET/NYC) SCOTT RICHMOND (Satellite/NET/NYC) MGEE (Primary Productions/Boston) ENTITY (Ultraworld/Baltimore) <<<<<>>>>> (Industrial Strength Recording Artists) ****************************************************** ***LIGHTING*** APOLLO ***FULL COLOR AND ARGON LAZERS*** LAZER REFLECTIONS *** VISUALS***: FACTORY (Orlando, FL), MELON DEZIGN (Philadelphia, PA), I-STRAIN (Miami, FL), TERMINAL THREE DEE (Knocksville, TN) 2 SEPARATE DANCE FLOORS IN TWO ROOMS ***LOCATION*** MID HUDSON CIVIC CENTER POUGHKEEPSIE,NY (fully airconditioned-Seating provided) ***TICKET LOCATIONS*** Brooklyn: Groove 718-714-5232 / Manhattan.: Subtopia 212-431-6718 / S.I.: E.C.B. 718-448-8207 / Providence: Luna Sea 401-272-luna / Phili: 611 Records 215-413-9100 / Poughkeepsie: U.N. 914-256-0445 / White Plains: Mad Grill 914-683-9378 / D.C.: Music Now 202-638-3272 / Baltimore: Modern Music 410-523-1882 / Boston Beat 617-561-4790 / New Paltz: Jacks Rythms 914-255-1082 / Albany: Music Shack 518-436-4581 / New Brunswick: Planet X 908-249-0304 / L.I.: DJ Records 516-667-1112 / Toronto: X static 416-599-3851 / Montreal: Juan & Juanita 514-847-2292 TICKETS ON SALE THROUGH JUNE 10th---DAY OF EVENT TICKETS AVAILABLE AT DOOR $18 in advance $20 at the door ***PROMOTION AND BUSES*** <> KC and the Sunrise Gang 207-773-6979 / Raving Maniacs 207-942-0287 <> Dannyboy 617-881-3797 / Primary 617-499-7765 / Framingham: Vibe Tribe 508-877-0790 <> Hartford: United Techno 203-646-6381 / Stamford: Atom Warped 203-454-6643 <> Sugarbear 401-454-6078 / Oracle 401-454-6002 <> Satellite 212-465-3299 / Alan Sanctuary and the Primal Posse 212-696-8938 / Trust Invention 212-631-3533 / Brooklyn: Curios George 718-644-9043 / S.I.: FBI 718-390-7107 / Scooter 212-479-7760 / Poughkeepsie:Up North 914-256-0445 / Westchester:Eponymous 914-941-7569 / Albany: Big Dipper 518-465-6381 / Birth 518-43-Birth / L.I.: Island Vibe Nassau: 516-292-0649 / Suffolk: 516-476-1194 / Syracuse: Kilowatts/Chameleon 315-475-8239 <> Mars 908-506-9592 / E-Force 201-295-1925 / Zinzee 908-938-9633 / <> 611 Records 215-413-9100 / T.H.C. 215-586-0939 / Allentown: Geoffe 610-758-9969 / New Cumberland: Click 717-770-0241 / <>Zenith 302-764-9272 <> Ultraworld 410-880-7031 <> D.C.:Rob Rave/Bohemia 202-338-5638 / Teri & Sean 202-466-1661 / Deanna 202-452-7639 <> Transfused 804-768-2000 / Vikki 804-625-2880 <> Cincinnati: Bob-a-dob 513-648-9467 / Cleveland: Funky Alien Gizmo 216-238-1451 / Doodle Bug 614-597-7551 <> Those Meddling Kids 606-281-4193 <> Drop Bass Network 414-777-3998 <> Lexington: Bluegrass 606-281-4193 / Knoxville: Dweeze 615-524-2448 / Nashville: B.A.M. 615-780-3730 <> Atlanta: Chamber of Dreams 404-250-8230 <> Rainbow 919-512-2953 / Barron 910-334-1546 <>The Alternative Record Store 813-977-6383 <> Montreal:DNA 514-854-6446 / Harmony 514-982-9010 / Toronto:X-static (Alan) 416-599-3851 ======================== ASTRALWERKS AFTERHOURS ======================== OSHEEN,DJ REESE,DAVE TRANCE,TROPOSPHERE,DJ SPROUT,RYDE LOCATION:Hudson Valley Skate Park, Newburgh, NY Free to sputnik ticket holders or with afterhours flyer. Breakfast will be served. Directions will be made available in coming weeks. ***FOR ANY OTHER INFO CALL*** SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS (212)465-3299 E-Mail NETMAG@AOL.COM ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 21:51:51 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , AMWALCZA@INDYVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Amy M. Walczak" Subject: hey guyz! well, it's about time i made myself known around these parts... hiieeeee! i'm piglet... from mw-raves... ummm... my name is also amy... i'm from indianapolis... i've met just a few of yous... i'm originally from philly, but can honestly, openly admit that i have never been to an event there... i'm transferring to u. of pitt. in the fall.. so i am here to get INFOMRED etc. :) i will be venturing to baltimore with some fellow mw.net.peoples for rave the bay and whatever else is going on that weekend in the area.. we are REAL excited :) hopefully, i'll be able to meet lots of you there... yes??? look for me.. i'll be passing out 'groove' stickerz and would love to give you all one.. or two.. :) t alk to me and welcome me with open arms *smile* if any of you ever consider coming to the mid-west... just mail me! hopefully, some of you will make it out to lexington on the 27th for KENTUCKY FRIED HOUSE PARTY! like hossum said... j^2 is throwing it, and it will be PHRESH! so.. i'll see/talk to you soon! piglet* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 23:12:49 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Michael J Minnich Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Michael J Minnich Subject: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 5/10/94) =============================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR =============================================================================== I put a lot of club stuff in this week. Remember, I will add entries to the ROM for clubs if there is guest DJ information or something special going on that night (or the club is opening for the first time). I'm back in DC, too, so if any of you DC kids want to hang, call me! -inhuman _______________________________________________________________________________ KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club To subscribe or unsubscribe from the ne-raves discussion list, send mail to listserv@umdd.umd.edu. To subscribe or unsubscribe from the calendar-only list, send mail to majordomo@sfraves.stanford.edu. Put "help" in the body of your message, if you don't know how listserv or majordomo works. Please send all corrections and submissions to inhuman+@cmu.edu. Also send any DC/Baltimore area rave info to melzie@wam.umd.edu so she can share it with DCRaves. VRAVE Instructions: telnet sfraves.stanford.edu 7283, login as "new" **PLEASE NOTE: If you reply to this message, BE SURE to edit the headers so that you reply ONLY to me and not to all the groups that I am sending this out to! This is VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT! _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES SUMMARY: 05/12/94 - FEVER * (Dub Tribe) - Baltimore, MD - (410) 880 - 1166 05/13/94 - FATHOM * (Repete) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 05/13/94 - NO NAME - New Brunswick, NJ - (908) 287 - 8795 05/14/94 - DEEPER * - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 05/14/94 - REVIVAL - New York City - (???) ??? - ???? 05/14/94 - RAGE @ - Harrisburg, PA - (717) 285 - 7964 05/20/94 - FATHOM * (Goodwill) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 05/20/94 - THE AWAKENING - Asbury Park, NJ - (908) 502 - 0660 05/21/94 - REFILL - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 8458 05/21/94 - MYSTERY MACHINE - Allentown, PA - (???) ??? - ???? 05/27/94 - CARPE DIEM - Rhode Island - (401) 455 - 2104 05/28/94 - MAGIC - New York City - (212) 592 - 3687 06/02/94 - RAVE THE BAY - Chesapeake Bay, MD- (410) 880 - 7031 06/03/94 - FATHOM * (Stress) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/04/94 - GALAXY 2000 - Brooklyn, NY - (212) 631 - 1065 06/10/94 - FATHOM * (Reese) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/11/94 - SYNOVIAL FLUID - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 741 - 1573 06/11/94 - SPUTNIK IV - Poughkeepsie, NY - (212) 465 - 3299 06/17/94 - MINIWARP @ - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/18/94 - DEEPER * (Peer) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/18/94 - TERRA-X - Cleveland, OH - (216) 238 - 1451 06/24/94 - FATHOM * (Dave Trance) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/25/94 - NATURAL RHYTHM - Upstate Maryland - (410) 523 - 1882 06/25/94 - BIRTH - Upstate New York - (518) 432 - 4784 07/01/94 - FATHOM * (Micro) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 07/02/94 - GLOW - Baltimore, MD - ultraworld@aol.com 07/23/94 - PLANET EARTH - New York City - (516) 547 - 6129 07/29/94 - TIMEWARP 4 @ - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES IN DETAIL: _______________________________________________________________________________ Thursday, May 12 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 880 - 1166 FEVER * (202) 828 - 1944 front room you've seen them twice at fever last year back room ~~~~~~~~~~ since then, they've released several ~~~~~~~~~ Scott Henry successful singles. now they're back Feelgood again to re-ignite baltimore. it's SF's & chillout Spen ~~~~~~~~ D U B T R I B E S O U N D S Y S T E M Entity (performing live in the front room) if you've never experienced the bang-on vibe created by these travelers, then you don't want to miss this show. these guys are f#!@in' brilliant! 10 PM 'TIL 5 AM * 18 & OVER W/PHOTO ID * BYOB FOR 21+ * $6 BEFORE 11 $9 AFTER FEVER - EVERY OTHER THURSDAY - LOCATED AT 1310 RUSSELL STREET, BALTIMORE, MD _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 13 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: REPETE (NEW YORK CITY) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 13 NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ (908) 287 - 8795 NO NAME On Friday, May 13th The Digital Deviants present... "N o N a m e" DJ Line-up: Spike Freshco DanDC Dayz-X1 Bananas Mars [If you're interested in DJing, call the info line.] Lighting and space by God Drinks, food, fun, vibe, energy by You Cost: Free Location: Outside, New Brunswick, NJ More info and directions: 908.287.8795 As Dayz-X-1 put it, "It's Free, it's outdoors...Fuck it, just show up." Friday May 13 the Digital Deviants will be holding a free party. No flyers are being made and it's invitation only. All net members are invited and can contact Dan DC at cliftoda@lanmail.shu.edu. for more information. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 14 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 DEEPER * (215) 998 - 9650 (908) 506 - 9592 A PHAT nite of PHAT rhythms. The penetration never felt better. DJ's MARK M, MIKO and geoffe spin the deepest DEEP HOUSE, ACID JAZZ and FUNK. June 18 - DJ PEER (Birmingham, UK/Obsession/member of D:Ream) May 14 - Free before 10:30p.m. Every Saturday afterward: $3 w/ flyer before 10:30p.m./$5 w/out $5 w/flyer after 10:30p.m./$7 w/out Always call for directions and info on upcoming events. Afterparty following every week until 7a.m. at secret location by Mark M. @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 14 NEW YORK CITY (???) ??? - ???? REVIVAL new york city saturday may 14 fluid & essence present "revival" dj pierre live pa by dub tribe james christian shining cloud micro scott henry josh wink joeski _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 14 HARRISBURG, PA (717) 285 - 7964 RAGE @ info line: 717.285.7964 Djs: Frannie Bones Jimmy Crash Adam X Nigel Richards Lee Botix Smart Bar by: Liquid Technology _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 20 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: Goodwill (Zenith, Delaware) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 20 ASBURY PARK, NJ (908) 502 - 0660 THE AWAKENING DP Productions presents... A W A K E N I N G Friday, May 20 In the Main Sound Chamber: ADAM X - Groove Records, Brooklyn JAMES CHRISTIAN - Limelight, NYC MICRO - Caffeine, Long Island DAVE TRANCE - Caffeine, Long Island MARS - Oral, NJ GLEN GARCIA - Oral, NJ SAL V. - Oral, NJ Downstairs in Deeper Love: NIGEL RICHARDS - 611 Records, Philly SPIKE - Planet X Music, NJ JEFF MANHEIMER - WHTG 106.3 FM, NJ B:RAD - Vinyl, NJ BLACKOUT - Blondies, NJ JAH-RED - Blondies, NJ Mind expanding lighting and visuals by TDL EFFECTS [lighting crew for Nine Inch Nails last tour] 25K of bloody deep sound by BACKWARD AUDIO Smart Bar by LIQUID TECHNOLOGY Tribal Drumming Circle Admission: $10 in advanced, $12 at the door Doors open at 9pm, close late 24 hour info and directions: 908.502.0660 After hours by the ORAL POSSE [ If you spin after hours sort of music, e-mail me and I will get you set up to spin for this party! - Mars ] TICKET LOCATIONS: Planet X Music - New Brunswick, NJ 908.249.0304 Vintage Vinyl - Eatontown, NJ 908.517.0990 611 Records - Philly, PA 215.413.9100 Groove Records - Brooklyn, NY 718.714.5232 PROMO & BUS TRIPS: Outer Space - NJ - 908.506.9592 Angel Asylum - NJ - 908.972.6270 J-Fresh - NJ - 908.493.0172 Digital Deviants - NJ - 908.287.8795 Zoom - Allentown - 215.998.9650 T.H.C. Prod. - Philly - 215.923.4339 Alan Sanctuary - Manhattan - 212.696.8938 Kort & Greg - Long Island - 516.547.7118 Island Vibe - Long Island - 516.476.2520 United Techno - Conn. - 203.646.6381 DanFreeLove - D.C. - 202.973.2109 TranceFused - Richmond - 804.768.2000 [ If you're interested in promoting or running a bus trip e-mail Mars at: a176@lehigh.edu We especially need help in Upstate NY, the Boston area, and further west into Pittsburg and Ohio. THANX! ] This party is going to be sooooo phat, you have to come out for it!!!! Hope to see many net ravers! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 21 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 734 - 8458 REFILL details soon _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 21 ALLENTOWN, PA (???) ??? - ???? MYSTERY MACHINE djs: Nigel Richards DieselBoy Miko Damon Wild Geoff-E plus more Smart bar by: Liquid Technology After-hours at: Freight Yard Allentown Pa. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 27 RHODE ISLAND (401) 455 - 2104 CARPE DIEM Fred Strong and Home Planet Multimedia present: CARPE DIEM A gateway to the here and now Frankie Bones Jason Jinx Adam X M-Gee DN-E Tiga Osheen Live performance by EBN and Funky Alien (of Colossal Amoeba) 10 watt multicolor argon laser and... 401-455-2104 Friday May 27 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 28 NEW YORK CITY (212) 592 - 3687 MAGIC Uptown Underground presents: MAGIC Watch us cast our hardcore spells May 28, 1994 Our sorcerers of sound: Abraxis Frankie Bones Rob G K-5 Adam X Narotic Future Funk Jimmy Crash Chris the Creator Dave Trance Einstein We've called upon these WIZARDS to cast you into Eternal Bliss. 100% Hardcore * 200% Underground * 300% Magical Uptown Underground Hotline ... For tickets and Info. 212-592-3687 Bruckner Records and Tapes ... Bronx. 718-823-8899 Groove Records ... Brooklyn. 718-714-5232 No ticket purchase at door. No admission without ticket. Tickets: $15 Only 1000 tickets will be sold for this event. Event starts 11 PM till... Nuff Respect to: The whole underground scene for making Cybertek the second best rave of 93.. Joint Ventures, Mental Unity, Back to Basics, Eddie Van Raven, Grrove Records, Bruckner Records, Alana Sanctuary, CAN, TWR, Curious George, David Dose, Under One Sky, Dawn, Germaine, Nicole, AG, SPank and Future Funk, and the fellas around the way. Remember, Always keep the scene deep down underground. Post Hypnotic Suggestion ... Cybertek II, SUN _______________________________________________________________________________ Thursday, June 2 CHESAPEAKE BAY, MD (410) 880 - 7031 RAVE THE BAY ultraworld@aol.com RAVE THE BAY (YAY!) THURSDAY JUNE 2, 1994 FROM 11 p.m. - 7 a.m. ULTRAWORLD PRESENTS AN 8 HOUR BOAT CRUISE ON THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ON THE BAY LADY WHICH DOCKS AT THE LIGHT ST. PAVILLION AT THE BALTIMORE INNER HARBOR. WE WILL BE LEAVING FROM THE BALTIMORE INNER HARBOR, SAILING TO ANNAPOLIS AND BACK AGAIN. THERE WILL THREE DECKS OF MUSIC- ON DECK ONE- ON DECK TWO- ON DECK THREE (OPEN SKY) ON-E SCOTT HENRY L.G. WINK JASON JINX WASH M GEE DJ SUN MOSES WHO ALVARO BOBBLE and----> DIESELBOY <---- can you believe it? VISUAL STIMULATION BY DOUBLE HELIX (seth the boy wonder) THE OFFICIAL TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE AT MODERN MUSIC'S PARTY ON APRIL 30th. THEY WILL BE $35 AND WE WILL HAVE A BOOTH SET UP THERE WITH THE FLIERS AND TICKETS. OR CALL 410.880.7031 TO ARRANGE FOR TICKET PURCHASE. ONLY 450 TICKETS WILL BE SOLD, SO GET YOUR TICKET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OR YOU MAY MISS THE BOAT! DUE TO BOAT REGULATIONS NO FOOD OR DRINKS MAY BE BROUGHT ON BOARD, BUT THERE WILL BE WATER, SODAS, JUICES AND FOOD SOLD ON BOARD AT GOOD PRICES (this is boat rules and they get all the money, sorry bout that) YOU CAN PARK AT THE GARAGE ACROSS FROM THE LIGHT ST PAVILLION AT HARBORPLACE AT A DISCOUNTED RATE. BESIDES A NIGHT WE'LL NEVER FORGET, EVERYONE WHO GOES ON THE TRIP WILL RECEIVE A FEW "RAVE THE BAY" BUMPER STICKERS. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH TO BUY YOUR TICKET ASAP. WE ARE RESERVING SPOTS FOR NO ONE! (seriously) - lonnie _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, June 3 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: Stress (Thunderground) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 4 BROOKLYN, NY (212) 631 - 1065 GALAXY 2000 (718) 714 - 5232 Brooklyn's combined forces present the goods GALAXY 2000 leaving earth: *Saturday June 4, 1994* Trancecore DJ's: Frankie Bones Jimmy Crash Heather Heart James Christian Adam X Carlos Tera Dave Trance K-5 plus guests and a separate chill-zone... *free toys and 20K of pounding noise* Respects Due: Storm, S.U.N., STOP, Spice, F.B.I., Motion Posse (LI), Mental Unity INFO PHONES: 212-631-1065, 718-714-5232 Prepare to blast off this June! *Brooklyn's True Underground Returns* And to the blanket posse, stay the fuck home! _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, June 10 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: REESE (Astralwerks) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 11 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 741 - 1573 SYNOVIAL FLUID F U E L Presents (Future Underground Entertainment Limited) SYNOVIAL FLUID DJ's Scheduled: Deadly Buda (Millineum, Pittsburgh) dieselBoy(Recycled,Pittsburgh) Geoff e (Freightyard,Allentown) X-on(FUEL,Pittsburgh) G-Wiz(Baltimore) Terry Kicks(Millennium,Pittsburgh) FiNGER(Food Group,Pittsburgh) Speed Demon(DC) Live PA by 1.8.7. Features: Smart Bar by Nrgetics Fruit Bar 55,000 sq ft of Secured Space 50,000 Watt Sound System Intelligent Lighting by Apple(Baltimore) Time 10:00pm - 10am Tix $8(Advance) $10(Door) Tix available at: Modern Music(410)523-1882/ Planet X(908)249-0304 611 (215)413-9100/Groove(718)714-5232 InfoLine (412)741-1573 Internet Address: dwgv07c@prodigy.com _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 11 POUGHKEEPSIE, NY (212) 465 - 3299 SPUTNIK IV SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS ****************************** SPUTNIK IV ********** DJ LINEUP: ********* SVEN VAN HEES AND REMY UNGER SCOTT HENRY (Global Cuts/Wonka Beats/R&S (Fever/Baltimore/D.C.) Records Belgium) LUKE SLATER ABRAXAS (GPR Recordings/U.K.) (Fierce Ruling Diva/Holland/NYC) DJ DUKE JOHN ACQUAVIVA (Ffrr Records/NYC) (Plus 8 Records/Detroit/Toronto) DERRICK CARTER TIGA (Organico Records/Chicago) (DNA/Montreal) DJ EFX AND DJ DIGIT MR KLEEN (3RD Floor Prod./San Francisco) (Gyroscopic Recordings/NET/NYC) WINK SCOTT RICHMOND (Ovum Records/Philadelphia) (Gyroscopic Recordings/NET/NYC) FRANKIE BONES MGEE (Groove Records/Brooklyn) (Primary Productions/Boston) KEOKI ENTITY (Moonshine Records/NYC) (Ultraworld/Baltimore) LIVE: DISINTEGRATOR (INDUSTRIAL STREGNTH RECORDING ARTISTS) *********************************************************** LOCATION: MID HUDSON CIVIC CENTER POUGHKEEPSIE,NY AFTERHOURS ********** OSHEEN,DJ REESE,DAVE TRANCE,TROPOSPHERE,DJ SPROUT,RYDE? LOCATION:Hudson Valley Skate Park, Newburgh, NY ***VISUALS BY*** EYE STRAIN (Miami), FACTORY VISUALS (Orlando), MELONDESIGN (Philadelphia) FOR TICKETS,DIRECTIONS AND ANY OTHER INFO CALL: SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS (212)465-3299 UPNORTH (914)256-0445 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, June 17 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 MINIWARP @ w/ DJs REMY UNGER AND SVEN VAN HEES (Global Cuts/R&S/Belgium) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 18 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 DEEPER * Guest DJ: DJ PEER (Birmingham, UK/Obsession/member of D:Ream) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 18 CLEVELAND, OH (216) 238 - 1451 TERRA-X Through the long cold winter Funky Alien Gizmos have been putting togehter an event that should prove to be the HOTTEST night in Cleveland,OH thus far Funky Alien Gizmos present Terra-X "The Arrival" Controlling the Masses Rob Black Dave Trance Micro Cleveland Caffeine-L.I. Caffeine-L.I. Boomer Sun Tony Garcia Omegeman-Definitive Records Ultraworld-Baltimore Chicago Dieselboy Wink Dreamer Pittsburgh Sorted-Philly Cleveland-Funky Alien Doors open at 10pm Lighting by Pandemonium Tickets $10 adv, $12 day of [net people will tickets for $8 if they mail] [me their address by may 13th {i'm leaving} ] [in your mail put your name and email addres] This event will take place in an all new 10,000sq ft venue in downtown cleveland and is fully permitted. Smartbar by: NRGETICS Ticket and bus trip info later next week _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, June 24 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: Dave Trance (Caffeine) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 25 UPSTATE MARYLAND (410) 523 - 1882 NATURAL RHYTHM Spiritual Movement "Natural Rhythem" June 25-26 in up state Maryland Line-up to include: Scott & Robbie Hardkiss Dante Micro Dave Trance Ryde Who Scott Henry Frankie Bones Jason Jinx Lieven Degeyndt 333 Mgee and more to be announced........ swimming pools, tennis, vollyball, basketball, and loads of outdoor fun!! info CALL 410-523-1882 to be held in the Baltimore area. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 25 UPSTATE NEW YORK (518) 432 - 4784 BIRTH kumquat@acs.bu.edu Space Productions presents: B I R T H Big Dipper, Gearhead, the Mission Crew, and Space Productions are all working together for the first time to bring you BIRTH: CONCEPTION: We have all wanted this for a long time. Remember Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect? THIS *IS* THE NEXT STEP. It's time for all musical tribes to come together in a way like never before. on JUNE 25, 1994..... WE UNITE IN A NEW RHYTHM. In a large, legal, UNIQUE outdoor location that is central to the ENTIRE northeast. this will bring people from *all* facets of the musical community. By not limiting ourselves to one genre we allow ourselves to experience the beauty that each genre offers. we seek to integrate members from communityies that would not usually get to experience a rave, but that hold similar ideals of PLUR. By adding a human, live aspect to this event (in a LARGE capaciity) we hope to create a more interactive atmosphere for the attendees. *we are seeking persons who wish to help the idea: percussionists, drummers, drum circles, African, Latin, Native American, Asain........tribal dj's, cutting edge live experimental music & dance, food services, Promoters, Ideas, and suggestions are welcome and invited. once again: 518.43.BIRTH & kumquat@acs.bu.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, July 1 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: MICRO (Caffeine) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, July 2 BALTIMORE, MD ultraworld@aol.com GLOW [date is still tentative] the Reaction Chamber the Phat room DJ SUN OSHEEN SCOTT HENRY F I L ASTROBOY TERRY MULLEN DAVID J + 2 MORE T.B.A. GREG SEARGENT + 2 MORE T.B.A. the COOLANT AREA ENTITY \ ____ LIVE AMBIENT WORDMOSES / + 2 MORE T.B.A. the GOODIES: 10 WATT LASER INTELLIBEAMS IN ONE ARENA GOLDSCANS IN THE OTHER + MORE COOL LIGHTING SYNCHRO-ENERGIZE MIND MACHINES SMART BAR LIVE VISUALS BY DOUBLE HELIX COMPUTER GRAPHICS PROJECTIONS SERIOUS BLACK LIGHTING (get yer clothes ready!) 1000 FREE GLOWSTICKS (multi-colored army issue!) FREE AFTER PARTY from 9 am - 2 pm 2000 of your closest friends. [we have a spot with a 5 acre field, and a 17 acre parking lot. if all goes as planned we are going to drop in three circus tents (already reserved) one able to hold 1500 people and two which can hold 1000 people. the large tent has a 48' ceiling height! plus there will be a central area in the middle for all the merchants, smart bars, rides, etc... we are getting the city of baltimore involved to some degree. i have talked with the mayor's office and they want to specifically register voters 18 - 25 this year (which is an election year), so they are going to set up a booth. also from the mayor's office, they may set up a drug information booth, which besides giving info away about drug use and abuse will be specifically geared towards furthering the mayor's belief that drugs should be decriminalized! i'm also trying to get a meeting with the entire city council to make them see the benefits of making baltimore "the city that raves", and how they can make it easier on us to get locations. i don't know if they'll go for it, but i know we've got one city councilman who has allowed us to give his name as a reference to anyone we contact about raves. it seems a little counter underground to approach the city in this way, but i have only one motive, and that is to make it so that we can do what we all love to do without all the hassle that so often accompanies the bigger events. plus, when you think about it, this country's government was started by a bunch of underground radicals, and i think there's still the possibility of that radical thought within the current gov. -lonnie] _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, July 23 NEW YORK CITY (516) 547 - 6129 PLANET EARTH Essence presents... P L A N E T E A R T H Saturday July 23, 1994 (516)547-6129 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, July 29 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 TIMEWARP 4 @ TIMEWARP 4: The Splashdown - Already confirmed: JOEY BELTRAM, KEOKI, SCOTT HENRY. More T.B.A. @ the Freight Yard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- END OF FILE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "loops of funk over hardcore beats" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 01:42:22 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: picnic reminder jsut a little reminder/exciter that there is a picnic in central park, NYC on june 11th before Sputink 4 (whose lineup is pretty amazing) hope to see many of you there! peace xo >>taylor ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 01:51:30 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , bretd20 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bret D20 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE THANXX! BRET ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 01:49:28 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: instinct double ambient vinyl instinct is doing a double pack ambient vinyl release that is probably going to be very limited edition... however, if anyone here is interested in obtaining it.. i might be able to make some copies available... send me mail if you would like info and price on it.. and i'll check with instinct tomorrow.. the tracks are: A: TERRE THAEMLITZ "hovering glows" "fat chair" B: OMICRON "orca" "tranquility base" C: HUMAN MESH DANCE "wet moon" "the glow of red hydrogen" D: MYSTERIES OF SCIENCE "virtual wake" peacelove >>taylor ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 07:51:26 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Mitch Kapor's TV Show.... Hey gang, This just came down the pike on another mail group I'm on - wondered if some of you folk might be interested - heh - what would Mitch think to get videos from around the world, not just in Boston or the USA???? :) Have fun, Grant ------- Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 09:13:23 -0400 From: mkapor@kei.com (Mitchell Kapor) Subject: My tv show (I thought you might be interested in this.) New Cyberspace TV Program I am developing a new program on cyberspace in conjunction with WGBH-TV, PBS' Boston affiliate. The show is intended to be a window onto the world of computer networks for the television viewer, whose point of view is that the world of on-line communications is interesting because of what people do there, not because of the digital plumbing which enables it. We will be focusing on the human aspects of networking and the individual and social aspects of being on-line. Cyberspace will be portrayed as a not-so-really strange territory after all, where all of us will increasingly come to live and work. My role is to guide people through this new territory, introducing the audience to its native culture, its scenic attraction, and its sights and sounds. We assume our audience is motivated by curiosity to learn more about what goes on in cyberspace, but we do not assume they are knowledgeable or, in general experienced with it. On the other hand, we will not trivialize the subject matter by reducing it to a least common denominator. We will give the show a look and feel which is approachable and down-to-earth. Interview guests and roundtable participants will be drawn from the net community itself. There will be plenty of demos of cool net stuff from Mosaic, CU See Me, and other cutting-edge applications and services. We are taping two test shows in mid-June which will be shown in Boston and other cities and hope to have some sort of national distribution (to be determined) in the fall for a regularly scheduled program. We are also going to create a WWW server for the show, the segments of which will be downloadable. The server will be have on it additional material which won't fit into the show format. An Invitation: We would like to include some video clips of net citizens expressing their greatest hope and worst fear about the future of the net which we will edit into an on-air piece for our regular feedback session. It's important to me to have the voices heard (and faces seen) of people already on the net. This is an opportunity for those of us who enjoy appreciate the decentralized and democratic character to express that sentiment to a mass audience. I hope you'll take advantage of the opportunity. Guidelines: Since an individual on-air clip will run at most 20-30 seconds, please keep your statement succinct. In shooting the clip, please feel free to pick a location which says something about yourself, whether it's your computer, your pet, or the great outdoors. We can accept Quicktime movies, VHS cassettes, or 8mm tapes. If you enclose a mailer, we will return your tape. We can also pick up digital submissions from any FTP site, etc. Contact Information: email: cybertv@kei.com Postal: Cybertv c/o Kapor Enterprises, Inc. 238 Main St., Suite 400 Cambridge MA 02142 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 08:51:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" , joshua Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: Re: plur, vibe and other aspects...(long) joshua (jgerbe1@umbc.edu) sent me this: (by the way > are his words, >> are mine) > >I liked this enough to spend an hour composing a long reply...but >couldn't convince myself that I should dump a long post on the list. If >you think it should be forwarded to the list, you may. > > >On Tue, 10 May 1994, Hossam A. El-Saie wrote: >> musically it is so creative and it will be such a welcome change grooving to >> those bass heavy, beautifully melodic lines...you SAW how breaks moved the >> crowd at scott, WE WANT TO BE EXCITED AGAIN (lord knows our attention/interest >> spans are short enuff ;) !! > >At every event I go to, I hear more and more of the same music...and I for >one *don't want* to know what that song is that the dj's spinning that's >making me jump...it used to be the mystery of not knowing the music that >fascinated me...never knowing what aural tweak I was going to get next. >But now I hear the same songs, in different mixes, but the same songs... >and the same styles. I want to have the surprise back. > >[...] >> >> once this emphasis is reestablished, the ravers have a duty to put this >> into practice. we have all had transcendant experiences at raves, now that >> this has happened, lets not get stagnant and feed off memories. lets create >> new experiences so that we dont rob the new school of these >> opportunities...i am afraid that they are only experiencing raves as a >> place to get fucked up for the nite. > >Too true...let's face it. Raves are a breeding ground for teen drug >abuse, and byob events like fever are allowing them easy access to >alcohol as well. For people that generally live with their parents (no >partying at home), they're great places for teenagers to go out into the >unsupervised world and do drugs and alcohol just because they can. >Irresponsible abuse. > >[...] >> >> this brings me to the final point. drugs. >> >> k, greens (pcp), smack...all this bullshit. what the fuck is it doing in >> our scene! reject it. leeches who are feeding off of our desire to come >> together and have a good time are trying to profit unfairly and to our >> HARM! > >Don't forget crack (a steady foundation of evil...). Dealers selling >these shit drugs to the chemically uneducated are perhaps the worst >villians of our time. It's unfortunate that drugs that responsible users >know and enjoy on a recreational, non-addictive level must share the same >dark stigma that those physically and mentally destructive ones have. > >It's also unfortunate that it's become vogue to mix shit like heroin in with >amphetamines like e. That pisses me off. I don't want that in my blood. >[...] >> on ketamine you get a numbing sensation along with hallucinations...unlike >> lsd, which generally gives you visuals along the lines of a >> warping/intensification of what you would normally see, on k you see shit >> THAT SIMPLY DOESNT EXIST! > >Although the hallucinations manifest themselves differently (I can't say >what they're like with K), lsd can still cause you to have actual visions >of non-existent things. Quality and dosage must be sufficient, however. >I kind of like having my optic nerves so twisted that I "see" things that >I couldn't otherwise. I've seen some pretty weird shit, but have always >been able to cope with it, something that I attribute to my pre-tripping >preparations. > >> this can be a very bad scene if you are having >> anysort of stress/trouble in your life (as most of us are) as it can freak >> your shit up *very* badly.... > >With any psychoactive, the single most important factor in the quality of >a trip is Setting. This includes your physical environment, your >external stimuli, and your mental health. I can't stress it enough. I >believe that bad trips can be avoided 100% of the time with careful >preparation, including finding a reputable dealer, ascertaining the >quality and potency of anything you put into your system, educating >yourself on the effects on what you are consuming, and emotionally >preparing yourself for the experience. Anyone who goes into any >psychoactive experience without knowing what they're doing is an >irresponsible abuser. Those who do know what they're doing can be >responsible users. Someone who gets for or gives to a psychoactive >(e, pot, acid, pcp, etc.)newbie _anything_ without telling them exactly >what they are taking and exactly what it will do to them is just >irresponsible. > >> alot of kids are doing e along with k, or e >> with k in it, so that they can get these tripped out hallucinations, and >> they rely on the e to put them in a happy state of mind so that what they >> see doesnt mess them up. i have known people who have done k by itself and >> have been seriously messed up during the experience either because of the >> freakishness of what they saw or the fact that they got sucked into >> themselves (fallen into a k hole)...:( > >I'm really surprised we don't hear about more of them dying. Mixing >drugs in general is a bad idea (although some combinations I've found to >be quite efficient). But walking into a warehouse at 17 years of age, >without too much drug experience, buying a hit of "ecstasy" in one of >it's many forms (often not mdma), them huffing a major tranquilizer like >ketamine is asking for a nasty speedball effect resulting in death, major >organ damage or total impairment that causes one to drive into oncoming >traffic. >> >> i just find it sick that there are kids out there who are so messed up and >> they just want to go out, get *completely* wiped and consider it a normal, >> good time...:( >> >It makes me sad to walk around raves and events like fever and see these >young kids that are so far gone...just sitting on the wall either >retching or just staring open-mouthed into space...just wasting their >minds...and their time. How can they be having fun? > >I have always considered the psychoactive drug experience to be >*expanding* to my universe...It helps me see things from a different >perspective, to gain insight into what may lie behind the scenes of >reality. I have trouble understanding the want to fuck myself up to the >point where I can't think anymore, at all. > >> we need to send a message to the people who are pushing this shit that we >> have had enuff. if u agree with me, dont buy (if u choose to) from dealers >> whose stuff is either known or suspected to be bad....tell your friends and >> everyone else to stop buying from these people. and this means buying >> *anything* they have, not just what happens to be shit. let them know that >> they cant profit off of killing our scene. > >Unfortunately, there are enough people that like doing these drugs that >they will keep the demand curve high. If their is that demand, there >will always be a supply. Money is often enough to abandon moral judgement. > >> if u choose to do drugs, *please* try to do it from reputable people, (yes >> they do exist) and if u want, let others know who is selling good stuff so >> that we dont have kids who unknowingly pay up to $30 for one hit of what >> they think is e and turns out to be a mix of crystal meth, smack and k that >> keeps them in the dark corners clutching their guts and freakin out for 8 >> hours...:( > >Yesyesyesyesyesyes! Watch out for each other! >> >> if u choose to do drugs, be intelligent about it. read up about them. (you >> can get tremendous info on drugs at techno.stanford.edu) it has loads of >> info on e, acid, and a drug i think alot of kids on the east coast would >> like if they knew more about it...2cb. >> >> lets gets this back on track. > >Self-education on drugs is the foundation of responsible recreational >use. (which I have to do on 2cb...haven't heard about it yet). > >I wonder if we could talk a state or county agency into providing free >information on drugs that could be distributed at raves and club events. >Let's say there's just a table (next to the smart bar or something) with >booklets on various substances...so that people can get the real story >without having to find it. They could even be handed out like fliers. >Do you think that people might actually pick up a pamphlet at a rave and >stick it in their pocket and read about the realities of of their favorite >drugs when they get home? I'm thinking someone might be willing to >provide the materials if we can agree to get them to a targeted >audience. (We'd have to be careful of propganda in government >publications, of course, so we might just compile the info ourselves, >objectively.) > >Just my thoughts. >____________ >-=-joshua-=> -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa **big phat bass soaked beats** vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc (g.l.h.) *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 08:55:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: fans of the orb/thrash... i have a list of all the posts that kris weston (thrash) from the orb has made to the net....:) chris hilker (cspot) from la compiled them for me....they are *totally* hilarious...:) if u ever need a laugh or are goofy and near a computer sometime, read these..they will kill you...if i see enuff interest ill just post it to the list...:) *still laughing* peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa **big phat bass soaked beats** vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc (g.l.h.) *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:23:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Jim Waiter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jim Waiter Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic ... add IN THE KINGDOM OF THE BLIND (the one-eyed are kings) 5.21.94 [DAYTON] all dj's confirmed room 1 : hardcore/hardtrance LENNY DEE - Industrial Strength Records (Brooklyn) REPETE - Limelight / Vortex Records (New York City) JJ JELLYBEAN - CHA Massive (Chicago) PHANTOM 45 - UK Hardcore (Chicago) IKON - from The Freight Yard, PA GOODWILL - Delaware room 2 : dedicated to the global house groove DERRICK CARTER - Organico Recording (Chicago) DBX - Plus 8 Records (Detroit) JIMI DOOM - Apocalyptic Audio TITONTON - Groovee Housecat PLACEBO - House Of Love room 3 : outdoor chillout tent, ambient and idm to soothe your soul 513.496.1071 presale tix from: kowtow in cincinnati, stigmata in dayton and idiot boy cafe in columbus illuminator mission 0000002 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:25:40 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Last splash... ok... i'd like to leave you all with some notes on what's up this summer... i will be attending a bunch of raves this summer, so here's what I look like, so that you can recognize me: look for: a big "shit-eater" grin... stripes, or crazy antique clothing from the 1970s... a black L.L. Bean backpack with a little green cogwheel on the zipper lanyard... blue "Beretta U.S.A." headphone-style ear protectors green Chuck Taylor all-stars with black soles (or platforms) fragile, thin-rimmed eyeglasses... a medallion that looks like a big hit of SUNS, with the word "sun" written on the back in chinese... a 5'10" (178 cm) guy with SHORT black hair and brown eyes... THAT'S ME... E...E....E....E...E..E...E! if you're short on cash, i'l lend you some, i always have Max Alert and asprin for that pick-me-up and some other stuff for that pick-me-WAY-up :) if you have any closing statements, i'll be reading my mail until friday night this week. i'll be popping into vrave during the summer, so i'll see you there. i am always logged in as "obin/1000"... if anyone is cruising through upstate NY, stop by, please call first, as I am not always inside during the summer. here's my top ten for music picks this past school year... (not necessarily in order of best to worst) 1. Amorphous Androgynous "Tales of Ephidrena" 2. Sven Vath "Accident In Paradise" remixes 3. Robotman "Doo Da Doo" 4. Spy "Bloodstrike/Pathogen" 5. Prototype 909 "Acid Technology" 6. Plastikman "Sheet One" 7. Church of Extacy "Church of Extacy" (LP) 8. Frozen Bass "Believe This" 9. Rob Gee "Ode to Vortex" 10. anything from the soul, by all those that know it's more than just music some more picks: (these are recommended listening, they are not techno, but should be called upon for relief and mind expansion) 1. Sonic Youth "Evol" 2. Sonic Youth "Sonic Death" 3. House Hallucinates 2LP set 4. Pink Floyd "Dark Side of The Moo" (very rare, and not infected with their later "Gilmourisms" 5. Pink Floyd "Wavelengths" (killer mind expansion here) 6. Skinny Puppy "Download" 7. Primus "Frizzle Fry" 8. Velvet Underground and Nico 9. Gallon Drunk "Tonite, The Singles Bar" 10. just about any music from the Middle East, Central Africa, or Tibet. keep those minds open.......and expanding. feel free to drop a line, anytime :) rave on 1000 Obin Robinson 157 W 1st St Corning, NY 14830-2542 607.936.0221 login vrave "obin/1000" login coffee house "Video Crash" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 11:33:18 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Daniel J Nadeau Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Daniel J Nadeau Subject: Alas, summer is here... In-Reply-To: <199405032111.RAA26975@holmes.umd.edu> All, I'm heading away from computer access for the summer :( Just a note to say 'bye' to all you swell folks. DJ entox will be keeping me posted on events, though, so maybe I'll see some of you *somewhere* over the summer :) (here's to hoping!) Have a great summer, folks. PLUR, Dan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 11:58:20 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "dAncE...dAncE!!" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "dAncE...dAncE!!" Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania please unsubscribe me thank you michelle wqjqvbb@oak.grove.iup.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 11:48:28 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , bfeldman@CAE.WISC.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Boris Boris i guess this should go to the calendar address, but whatever-- the info number for REVIVAL (may 14 in n.y.) is 212-629-1960 and Josh Wink is not on the flyer i have (contrary to whats on the calendar) -buck rogers ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 13:24:11 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rachel J Wakefield Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rachel J Wakefield Subject: Re: Alas, summer is here... In-Reply-To: <199405111556.LAA14952@holmes.umd.edu> how sorrowful a message, dan... we'll do our part on this end to keep you informed on things also but i hope you already knew that. don't fear. take car, marc [snow] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:09:00 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Zizi Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Zizi Subject: mailing list Hi I 'd like to subscribe to ne-raves thanks Zizi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 11:20:52 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Technosel Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Technosel@AOL.COM Subject: Receipt for picnic reminder Message subject: picnic reminder When sent: 94-05-11 01:47:34 EDT Read by: Technosel When read: 94-05-11 11:21:52 EDT ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:25:37 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Summer Woes You know, compunerds & net ravers ( heh, assuming they may not necessarily be the same here :) must be the only people I know who say "Oh no, summer holidays - wwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaauuugggghhhh!!!!" :) Good luck to all those losing their net connections for the duration - hope you survive the withdrawls :) Grant HUMAN: "Delete this document" COMPUTER: "are you sure?" HUMAN: "yes" COMPUTER: "are you *really* sure?" HUMAN: "yes damnit, kill the thing" COMPUTER: "ok, file deleted" HUMAN: "ooopsss" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:51:10 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Re: plur, vibe and other aspects...(long) In-Reply-To: <199405111252.IAA12200@holmes.umd.edu> After reading the posts and forwards of both Hossam and Joshua, the end statement was to obtain literature from gov't agencies regarding the facts of drug use. Well, seeing that there is tons of information about all the different forms of drugs on rechno.stanford.edu, why not just print some of the shorter ones out, arrange them in a nice fashion, and get them printed? Feedback? Virtually yours, Bob "the truth shall set you free" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:14:25 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: plur, vibe and other aspects...(long) In-Reply-To: <199405111906.PAA17704@holmes.umd.edu> from "Bob Baxter" at May 11, 94 02:51:10 pm good idea! what about other short messages NOT about drugs? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 02:33:40 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dan Nicholson <8bit@VLAD.BOWKER.COM> Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dan Nicholson <8bit@VLAD.BOWKER.COM> Organization: Bowker Electronic Publishing, New Providence NJ Subject: Re: happy!! In-Reply-To: <199405101734.NAA04414@holmes.umd.edu> "Jennifer J. Smeddy" writes: > H A P P Y S O L A R E C L I P S E Uhhhhhhhhhh... Ummmmmm.. is this why it was so dark/weird looking around noon Tuesday? I liked it, nice direct overhead light creating great shadows. Would be nice if it happened more often. when's the next one? - Dan "totally out of phase" Nicholson |=|=|=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=/=|=/=|=/=|=/=|=|=|=|-------------------------- The 8-BIt Collective - Transmission 23 - edrone dan nicholson, Clonor the Other - Finnish Techno Zyndicate 8bit@vlad.bowker.com -=>ICBM volume one available soon!<=- moddan@vlad.bowker.com "This message has been sent out - did you originate it?" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 02:39:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dan Nicholson <8bit@VLAD.BOWKER.COM> Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dan Nicholson <8bit@VLAD.BOWKER.COM> Organization: Bowker Electronic Publishing, New Providence NJ Subject: Re: eclipse In-Reply-To: <199405101904.PAA05454@holmes.umd.edu> Handi-boy writes: > it might be too late now, > but if you are in an area where you can see the eclipse, be sure > to look at the shadows of trees (especially where the leaves are) > ... > > all i can say is wow. i noticed this today.. i woke up around 11:30am and was really puzzled that it seemed dark out (far less light than normal was coming through the blinds) yet when i looked outside it was bright and sunny.. then i went downstairs and walked out the front door to find the weirdest-ass shadows i ever did see. it was really cool. the funny thing is, i didn't even remember there was an eclipse today, or know what i had seen, until i started reading my email a few minutes ago :-) > but sometimes they put acid in my drinks at work, and it might be that i'm sure we'd all like to know: are they hiring? =) - DanN |=|=|=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=/=|=/=|=/=|=/=|=|=|=|-------------------------- The 8-BIt Collective - Transmission 23 - edrone dan nicholson, Clonor the Other - Finnish Techno Zyndicate 8bit@vlad.bowker.com -=>ICBM volume one available soon!<=- moddan@vlad.bowker.com "This message has been sent out - did you originate it?" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 17:19:16 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MONO Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MONO Subject: do you like the uk ardkore!?! got this from a guy i met on the net...he's in the uk, where beats and bass are the thing...enjoy...;) Chris Ramsay transmitted these words of wisdom..... > Have you subscribed to that breaks discussion group? > Send mail to : > > majordomo@xmission.com > > and in the main body put: > > subscribe breaks > > > It should send an automatic reply in a few minutes.....and then you're > registered, it's that easy..... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .________mono________________________stu_awmeyers@vax1.acs.jmu.edu____________. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 18:40:55 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: mantras: a short review ne-ravers: terence strick(producer), will-e, phil z, eileen, mars, haZard special friends: domenique and liz(of alchemy fame) dj line-up: mars, denard, haZard, will-E review: the party was great. terence did a really great job of pulling this party together and i have to complement the princeton social club on being forward thinking towards their party. that is, they could have done strictly a *bob seeger* party. amusing moment of the night: leaving the village to pick up will-e, phil and liz and leaving my records at the place i was staying. fortunately, i didn't get far before i realized what i had done. :) the space was way cool and was in a house on the princeton campus. the party was on the lower two floors. there was a bar in the basement, foosball table, tele with people glued to the sports station. the dance space was on the first floor in two adjoining rooms. the dj booth was well set-up and the sound was well-managed by a professional group with large sound board--hell i don't know how many channels or watts. the sound was clear and loud with adequate lighting effects. terence and whoever even added two he-ne laser pointers. i have to say that lasers are a must. the cool part was the *vip* lounge, which was a library behind the dj booth. this was a nice safe space for the records and chilling with each other. i have no idea how many people were there for the evening, but terence said that between 5 and 6 kegs were emptied--everything was free including smart drinks. i would guess that a full dance floor was 'bout 50 people with more throughout the house. bte, there were only 8 people on the floor at 5am when the music stopped with half the people being ne-ravers. again, i have to complement terence on line-up flexibility. i think it was clear that the floor wouldn't be full until 6 am and the party started late on time. t changed the sets so that each of us got some full floor. that was cool 'cuz each of us wanted to move some people. as for music, i have to be honest and say i didn't pay careful attention to each set. i was stressing that i was coming on after denard--a hard act to follow. too, i was worried that denard and mars would play stuff that i wanted to spin. in the end, that didn't happen, but i was still distracted. i guess the best critique was a happy dance floor for each set. everybody was grooving! certainly, a highlight for me was being thanked by someone on the floor for my set while i was dancing to will-E's set. musically, the last hour was fun because will-e, denard and i were switching after about 3 tunes each. this was really cool and got my adrenalin going. i wish it could have gone on for a few more hours, but i had to leave. on a technical note, the mixer was interesting because you couldn't hear the master mix in the headphone--a little disconcerting. the mixer was a numark with the headphone controlled by a cue slider. if you really wanted to hear the room mix, you would have to move the x-fader in sync with the headphone cue slider. congratulations to terence who pulled off a great party and offered crash space and meals. good luck in grad school at urbanna-champagne(he's doing bio-physics). if he organizes any parties there, be sure to go! haZard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 01:01:07 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: synovial fluid/PlanetX Party In-Reply-To: <199405101524.LAA22866@telerama.lm.com> On Tue, 10 May 1994, Jennifer J. Smeddy wrote: > Well, after much confusion with the flyers and such...we ARE going to do > the bar in pitsburgh on June the 11th. So it should be really neat to see > where the whole pittsburgh crew is actually from :) WICKED!!! I can't wait Jenn. This party should be pretty phat. I look forward to all you folks comming. With all the talk about the vibe on the east coast and A Rave Called Scott it got me thinking. The last party here, Warm Milk was simply incredible (thanks HANNiBAL). It may have lacked bumper cars, videogames, a space that you could get lost in and A-list East Coast DJ'sbut what it did have: a cozy space, large dance area, excellent sound and a couple good colorflashes, strobes and most importantly a crowd that was there to DANCE (everything else was secondary) made for a great vibe. Summer here should be phat. (more on that in a sec.) My condolences go out to Hossam (I've been trying to call you man!), I know how it feels to get ripped off. I've been carless since mine was stolen after breaking down in the Blizzard comming back from playing at Rebirth in Allentown New Years. It wasn't just my car it was the nostalgia of taking it all over the East Coast and Midwest and up north to Canada for events. It was the Ne-Raves sticker on bumper that Mikebee gave me. It was the little planet earth and Grover stickers that Michelle and Jenna gave me that were on the dash. It was the Sorted Records sticker that Wink stuck on the bumper when he played here at Algorhythm 1 and we all went to the after the rave breakfast at Eat N Park. It was the booming subwoofer in the trunk that kept many a driver awake on long trips and made the long voyages enjoyably short. All of that is gone now. My little white Toyota Corolla which I worked hard to get was taken from me with all the things that made it special. As I said Hossam, I can relate. If I can help in anyway feel free to give me a call. As much as a I sympathize with Hossam I find it ironic that he went all the way to Philly to have what amounted to a bad time at a party when he could have been right here at home. One thing that has bugged me was the reluctance of people to get involved in the scene here and instead would flee every weekend to wherever in search of a good party. That is changing now. Pleasuredome was the cataylist, as most people that went from this area were reluctant to travel again for a while and also the homogenousness of the parties elsewhere which the names and locations change but the DJ's or the music doesn't, sparked this new enthusiasm about "brining it home". My suggest to Hossam if he wants to help effect a change in the scene may be to start with his own. A relative "virgin" scene (i.e there are still PLENTY of new people comming into it who have never been to a rave and new promoters open to new ideas.) Or as the old saying goes, "Think Globally, Act Locally". I may be premature in saying this but I think the free party at CMU called Fluid and Warm Milk were both excellent partly due to this new ethic. It seems that Pittsburgh being kinda isolated from the rest of the East Coast was and is a good thing. Here when alot of scene's are in decline or stagnation we have a scene here in rebirth. Growing up from a scene which revolved around one promoter and record store and a couple DJ's to one which involves 4 new promoters who were basically just ravers like us who were fed up with the status quo, 2 clubs and a diverse mix of DJ's to even having the mayor's daughter (who was an underground partygoer from the start of the scene) helping out in promotions and suggestions. (A voter registration information booth may be a good way of getting the backing of a city for an event. The purpose could be stated as an attempt to register the least represented age group of people in America, 18-25 year olds. What lawmaker or politician would be against that?) > So I hope to meet some more net ravers this summer. It was really great > to put some faces to names at scott last weekend :) Me too! Joe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 01:47:30 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , e boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: e boy Subject: coming round the mountain... hey all, just spoke to the campground where we are planning this year's summer excursion. the dates are set for august 19, 20, 21, and 22! so get ready! i want to call the party "jungle groove" but sun and some of our other friends are thinking we should call it "ultraworld's too wild" what do you think? anyway the most important thing is it's almost here! and this year, it will be a success for everyone! i'm thinking the format will be this- friday night - music in three areas with as many dj's as we can get to play (still 1 1/2 sets though so don't worry) from around the east coast. plus this will make sure people get there on friday, and also give some of the "lesser" seen (no offense) djs' a chance to show their stuff. saturday day - groovy beats all day with all the fun trappings like the moonbounce gyrobix, etcc, swimming. we might even do organized sports, like put on the flier to have a team ready or something. that way baltimore can play philly or something like that, it would be fun. saturday night - one intense area on the main field with the laser and the top nine dj's that will rock everybody's world all night. this will be the real tribal vibe going on, and if you remember last year's second night, it should be like that except crazier! sunday day - i think after a morning of silence we will have live acts perform all day probably have a chance to get like 10 to 15 depending on expense and time. big beats on the main system will end around dark. sunday night - under the stars ambient all night into monday morning with all of the visuals still in place! this will be the night to have everyone bring a blanket onto the field and just chill and really get into the music and the visuals and each other! and let the weekend of fun that we just had sink in and become a permanent part of all of our memories! aaaaaaahhhhh...... i can't wait. so that's the story just thought i'd tell everybody, lest ye start to think that our raving days are numbered! cause they aren't and this thing is far from over! all we have to do to confirm this is talk to the township. we've already talked to the police and they are cool with the idea, and last year the town LET us do it with one week's notice. so i don't anticipate any problems. if all goes well, we should start having the lineup within the next few weeks. oh, i just handed in the application for a night time party at a park in baltimore for july 23rd, we should know about that in a few weeks, and the application for the mall in d.c. event is going in the mail tommorrow too. july 2nd is probably not going to happen, some neighborhood association has found out about the buildin we were trying to get and called the owner to say they don't want us in their hood. oh well. it might be for thre better anyway and we have a proposal in to the md. dept. of natural resources to do a party at this mountain park in september! so things are in the works kids! and right now they are looking good. and i promise, if we can't get these permits, WE WILL FIND A WAY!!! peace see ya thursday or friday and rave the bay tickets are now going to be at modern music, possibly music now when they reopen, but please try to get them soon if you can, it would help us out immensely! thanks lonnie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 02:03:57 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: hey guyz! In-Reply-To: <199405110252.WAA09698@holmes.umd.edu> On Tue, 10 May 1994, Amy M. Walczak wrote: > well, it's about time i made myself known around these parts... > hiieeeee! > i'm piglet... from mw-raves... ummm... my name is also amy... > i'm from indianapolis... > i've met just a few of yous... > i'm originally from philly, but can honestly, openly admit > that i have never been to an event there... > i'm transferring to u. of pitt. ^^^^^^^^^^ This is good to here! Looking forward to "hangin' out in da 'burgh" and raving with you. > in the fall.. so > i am here to get INFOMRED etc. :) Welcome! Joe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 11:15:28 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: fight back i read the message about raving being penalized in Britain, and here's my feelings on what to do in the worst outcome... ok, raving is fully illegal and the crackdown has begun, what next?... what i would do is gather my friends and myself and analyze the law down to the finest print. we'd look for loopholes... not to continue raving as much as to prove how feeble the idea is. i'd see if folk festivals, rock concerts, and ethnic music festivals would fit under the description that was intended for raves. we'd then get on the case of the police and call anything not a rave, like any of the above, a public disturbance, and ask them to break up the gatherings... we'd hound all public festivities until "average" people get pissed: not at us, but at the stupid law. we'd technically be on the police's side reporting any event that fits the description: even if it was a church festival. once the law had been shown to be corrupt and discriminatory to the majority of the nation, we'd have a lot more people on "our" side. the U.K. would get a bad image in the international press, and i'm pretty sure that Downing Street would do anything to prevent that. i hope i made some sense, i am sorry if i sound confusing, but i am riding on an hour of sleep (to much 'dreen). i just think that the best way to fight corruption is to be on its side; i.e. "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." whatever. 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 13:13:54 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Subramanian Akileswar Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Subramanian Akileswar Subject: Re: fight back sounds like an idea!!! Rave On. Akil ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 14:17:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Goldman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Goldman Subject: Re: happy!! Original Message(s): >MESSAGE from =NE-RAVES@UMDD.UMD.EDU 12-MAY-94 14:16 >From: Dan Nicholson <8bit@VLAD.BOWKER.COM> >Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 02:33:40 EDT >Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , >Sender: NE Raves Discussion > >"Jennifer J. Smeddy" writes: > >> H A P P Y S O L A R E C L I P S E > >Uhhhhhhhhhh... Ummmmmm.. is this why it was so dark/weird looking around >noon Tuesday? I liked it, nice direct overhead light creating great >shadows. Would be nice if it happened more often. when's the next one? > >- Dan "totally out of phase" Nicholson >|=|=|=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=\=|=/=|=/=|=/=|=/=|=|=|=|-------------------------- > The 8-BIt Collective - Transmission 23 - edrone dan nicholson, > Clonor the Other - Finnish Techno Zyndicate 8bit@vlad.bowker.com > -=>ICBM volume one available soon!<=- moddan@vlad.bowker.com > "This message has been sent out - did you originate it?" >--- not until something like the year 2016 or so john ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 14:33:11 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: SOTTO TERRA UPDATE An updated flyer for this weeks SOTTO TERRA night at the Industry... Carlos can't make it up this week, but still plans on coming up in the future! Our own DJ Fresh Blend will be spinning... Also, this week we are starting a membership for the Industry. Cost of the Membership is $10 and that will get you into SOTTO TERRA for just five bux! Friday MAY 13th Manchester, NH (617) 424 - 7183 SOTTO TERRA djm@progress.com N E A U 's SOTTO TERRA an afterhours at The Industry 10K WATTS OF HARD HOUSE, TRIBAL, TRANCE, ACID, AND EXPERIMENTAL GROOVES DJ's: * Joel (Alien House/NEAU) * Dave-DjM (Space Lab/NEAU) * Spiderman (NEAU) * Fresh Blend (Providence) Time: 1:30am - 8am Cost: $5 for members / $10 for non-members DIRECTIONS: (INFO LINE on May 13th ONLY: 617-424-7183) 93 North into New Hampshire and up past exit 5, after exit 5 there will be a fork, one for 93N to continue and one for 293 North, Take 293 North (this branches later also into a right exit so watch for it). Follow 293N to exit 4. At end of ramp, take a left. Look for the Industry Night Club. 865 Second Street on your right. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 14:49:39 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Re: fight back >ok, raving is fully illegal and the crackdown has begun, No, only illegal raves are illegal. Some promoters book legal spaces and dot the proverbial eyes and cross those teas. Hence the flyer ledgen 100% legal > i'd see if folk festivals, rock concerts, and ethnic music festivals >would fit under the description that was intended for raves. we'd then >get on the case of the police and call anything not a rave, like any of the >above, a public disturbance, and ask them to break up the gatherings... > we'd hound all public festivities until "average" people get pissed: >not at us, but at the stupid law. we'd technically be on the police's side >reporting any event that fits the description: even if it was a church >festival. ***************START FLAME BELOW********************* It is rare that I see such right wing reactionary swill on this group. Are you white? so lets see if we can fuck it up for people of color. Maybe your male, so let's mess with the women of the world. I'm sure you can find some inequity for your particular (and insular) group. The propper redress, If i read you correctly, is to oppress some other group to help your own. I must say that this tecnique was _very_ effective in Germany in the late 30s. Some people were having a bad time with their economic status so they found another group and BURNED A FEW MILLION OF THEM. Are you so short sighted to think that these _other_ groups woudn'l hold you responsible? Are you so conceited to think that you're _better_ than the so called 'average' people? Are you so mean spirited as to fuck up someone's, who has done nothing to you, party so you can have your own? Technically???? Technically??? You _would_ be on the police's side. A snitch. a fink.You judge a person by their actions as well as motivation. The proverbial road to proverbial hell is proverbially paved with fucking proverbial good intentions. You sic the police on anti-choice terrorists, book burning psycho-christians, crypto-facist jew hateing nazi bastards. Fag bashing homophobes. Maybe, and I'm not sure that sucking up to law enforcment is _ever_ a good idea, they tend to bite that hand that feeds them. >U.K. would get a bad image in the international press, and i'm pretty sure >that Downing Street would do anything to prevent that. And I'm sure that the white affluent males that run countries would do anything to prevent we, the people, from exercising any control over their actions. > >i hope i made some sense, i am sorry if i sound confusing, but i am riding on >an hour of sleep (to much 'dreen). No excuse for this anti-freedom tirade i just think that the best way to fight >corruption is to be on its side; i.e. "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." > Great, listen to yourself. "I wanna be corrupt. I have a good reason" I'm not sure how to fight this anti-raver bullshit that we are seeing but I am sure that this cure is worse than the disease. ********************END FLAME*********************** PLUR, remember? The P stands for UNITY. The opinions express here are my own........ ....but I'd think you'd agree with them. woof ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 15:08:19 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: fight back In-Reply-To: <199405121850.OAA27049@holmes.umd.edu> what the hell was that? i think i just witnessed two people on completely different wavelengths... dave, if you didn't know, he's talking about the "anti-rave" laws being passed? attempting to be passed? in the u.k. it states as one of its definition of an illegal gathering as having more than 100 people, even on private property, and there's some crap about it being illegal if there are repetitous beats or some such crap. now, don't you see what 1000 is trying to say? he's saying that any public gathering could probably fall under these clauses. and if there's music present, then there's bound to be repeting beats. i think what he was saying is how would the law makers like it if they had to shut down their symphony under the same laws as make raves illegal. i don't know where the hell all that stuff about germany comes in. i wouldn't really call it "oppression" to try to further freedom bye getting this law repealed, if it ever gets passed. (its not passed yet right?) i need to read the articles i have on it more closely. chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 15:33:14 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: Re: fight back -Reply Well less then 36 hours away the Deviants are saying PHUQ this law bullshit and starting the World Domination tour on Friday the 13th. Peace to these laws, as we are about to start something special tomorrow night. The meeting point is going to be around College Ave. in New Brunswick but I won't tell the xxxxxact spot until tomorrow morning. There will be shuttles running from 12-2 a.m. the only time you can get into the party unless you know where it is and don't need the shuttle. Anytime you have to leave there will be someone to shuttle you back to your car. If there are any questions you can call (201) 378-7501 tonight or (908) 287-3136 tomorrow. I hope to see people there and remember stick to the people who have been doing this since the start!!!!!!! Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 15:33:00 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MUNTERMA@ACC.HAVERFORD.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: gopher ? sorry this is so silly, but how do I get to the gopher site? What's the address? please respond.... munterma@haverford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 16:08:33 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Re: fight back >what the hell was that? i think i just witnessed two people on >completely different wavelengths... > >dave, if you didn't know, he's talking about the "anti-rave" laws being >passed? attempting to be passed? in the u.k. > >it states as one of its definition of an illegal gathering as having more >than 100 people, even on private property, and there's some crap about it >being illegal if there are repetitous beats or some such crap. > >now, don't you see what 1000 is trying to say? he's saying that any >public gathering could probably fall under these clauses. and if there's >music present, then there's bound to be repeting beats. i think what he >was saying is how would the law makers like it if they had to shut down >their symphony under the same laws as make raves illegal. > >i don't know where the hell all that stuff about germany comes in. i >wouldn't really call it "oppression" to try to further freedom bye >getting this law repealed, if it ever gets passed. (its not passed yet >right?) i need to read the articles i have on it more closely. > >chris > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: >squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this >message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and >an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. >Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. > > I'm very mush in favour of fight unjust laws. My problem is with the concept of turning in other groups to further those goals. Thank kind of thinkin is stinkin woof ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 16:21:42 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Tai Nguyen Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Tai Nguyen Subject: Re: fight back >***************START FLAME BELOW********************* > >It is rare that I see such right wing reactionary swill on this group. >I'm not sure how to fight this anti-raver bullshit that we are seeing but >I am sure that this cure is worse than the disease. > > >********************END FLAME*********************** umm, can we say over-reaction? david, I don't see how Obin's comments are right wing reactionary at all. I think you need to step back and reread his post. ___ (:)====/__/\=(:)(:)===========================(:)=====================(:) |\| _\_ \ \|\||=| Tai Nguyen |\| official sponsor of |=| |=| /__/\_\ \=||\| resident wise-ass |=| SoNiC ToNiC(tm) |\| |\| / /\ __/\|(:)===========================(:)=====================(:) |=|/ / /\ \ |=||=| "Nature has been made possible by a grant from |=| |\/__/ \_\/ |\||\| the Corporation for Public Broadcasting." |\| |=\__\/\ \ |=||=| - PBS |=| (:)==\__\/===(:)(:)===================================================(:) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 16:31:23 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , brendan mcdougall Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: gopher ? i don't know if you can log-in annonymously at any site and invoke that site's gopher server. the only way i know to invoke gopher is to type gopher at the command prompt. if its not installed at your site, you should ask the system consultant if gopher exists at haverford and how to use it. for example, one way to keep the masses from using the newsreader here at brandeis, the local gurus require one to type newsrdr in order to execute the program. not hard to deduce but not transparent either. if gopher is not on your system, you could download the client from "god.knows.where" and attempt to install it in your account for your personal use. its likely you won't have these privileges and will have to plead with your sysadmin to make this server available on your home machine. if anyone wants to correct this gobbly-gook, please do. haZard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 17:01:54 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: fight back -Reply In-Reply-To: <199405121931.PAA27509@holmes.umd.edu> just a reminder. this is the second post (the one referring to the deviants party) that i've seen that looks like the writers are saying that these are american laws. they aren't. it is something either about to get passed or just passed in the u.k. so by throwing a party in new jersey, you're not really "sticking it to the man" as much as you might think you are. i'll read the article i have on this later and fix any wrong things that i've written about it :) chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 17:54:15 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: fight back whoa! out-of-proportion apparently someone didn't READ the bottom of the message the tactic is to hound all events until the futility of the law is exposed. when the law can't keep up it folds... example: prohibition in 1920s, current effeorts to legalize marijuana, some tactics include showing how the law cannot keep up with all the traffic that drugs carry. the pro-prohibitionists had some pretty silly tactics during the 1920s. check the local library for details. also, check on the tactics of the radical groups of the 1960s. you will see how pretending to be on "their" side is effective if you carry yourself in an almost-satirical manner. how would this work: the ravers would call teh police and say "Hey bobbies, there's some ruckus near Lillybrook and Heather." Bobbies: "Ok, we'll check it out." later, a phone call to the festivity promoter: "Hey, the bobbies are on their way to bust you... some new law about preventing public gatherings and that rot... they'll be there in a minute or so." Promoter: "Wot! What's this?.....blah...blah..." later, a call to the news reporters: "Hey, the bobbies are busting that ethnic street festival on Lillybrook and Heather... some good footage of government corruption in the process..." news service: "Thanks, we'll send our van..." this cute little tactic is a method of saying "sic-em" to the cops, and saying "what the hell are the cops doing now!?! that's our free speech that they're attacking." if SOME person would read the history books, not the ones in high school, the ones available over the grey-market (similar to the "How Colombus Killed 10 Million Indians" ones) you'd see how this tactic has produced results in the past... i also note how SOME people here do not read otehr person's messages thoroughly. and how SOME people (no names, naughty naughty) have the knack of posting "THE ULTIMATE TRUTH" without posting disclaimers and /or notice that the message is from the "devil's advocate. i get the biggest kick out of reading David A. Wolfes' over-reaction to my posting. the post was written earlier today, and i was trying to say something with 90% of my brain shut down because of lack of sleep. oh, by the way... i am 3/4 Carib Indian... the colonial Europeans killed off all my Arawak ancestors 100% fatality. (you read that right) that was a whole society wiped out by ignorance and a constant air of ethnocentrism. sound familiar? apparently some other people read the message correctly. they noted that almost any musical gathering, (including my favorite, the Bagpipe/ marching ensembles) could be considered illegal under this law. if the promoter of a Scottish drum and pipe corps were to have the police bust him, he'd be pissed, and so would the grandmothers and kiddies that showed up for a pleasant afternoon... let's make a comparison: Gypsy music festival held in a park: Drums Costumes Dancers Vehicles crowd of spectators a concession stand, or table for some cause Rave held in a park: Drum machines / house music "Outrageous" clothing worn by.... Dancers that came in... Vehicles there's always ... Spectators to an outdoor rave... and a smart-bar, pamphlet table, or flyer table Instead of Gypsies, let's have some other music with repetitious beats: African Tribal Drummers Middle-Eastern Drummers Far-Eastern Drummers Tibetian Drummers Polynesian Drummers Australian Aboriginal Drummers hmmmm. imagine the hell that would break loose if these events were busted by the cops?!? technically, they CAN BE BUSTED under this anti-rave law if you READ-IN-BETWEEN-THE-LINES!!! this law effectively kills parades too, think about it! once the govt. sees how people get in an uproar when Ravi Shankhar is carted off to jail because of amplified Tablas! (hmm, they had vehicles for their PA equipment, and check out those funny clothes!) couldn't the upcoming BIRTH rave be busted under a law like that!!! what's the differance between BIRTH and Ravi Shankhar live???? raving on... 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 17:41:28 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , 6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: The Fiend <6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU> Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: fight back -Reply yo this is that outdoors event right? i'll definatly be there.. peace the fiend ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 18:14:42 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: gopher ? In-Reply-To: <199405121956.PAA27747@holmes.umd.edu> from "NE-RAVES@UMDD.UMD.EDU" at May 12, 94 03:33:00 pm as far as I know(what I do on my owm 'puter) is type gopher at the $ prompt. Mi-t ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 20:07:50 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Unsubscribing If you are unsubscribing for the summer, please send the following message to listserv@umdd.umd.edu: set ne-raves nomail This will not unsubscribe you, but it will stop you from getting mail. What it will do is tell the list's mail distribution software not to send you mail until you turn the mail back on. If you decide you do not want to be on the list anymore at all, send the following message to listserv@umdd.umd.edu: signoff ne-raves This will sign you off and remove your name from the listserv software. You will still be able to resubscribe at some later point. If you have any trouble, please mail me at anarchy@glue.umd.edu. Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 18:40:00 -0500 Reply-To: David Darrow Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: David Darrow Organization: Pics OnLine MultiUser System - 609-753-2540 Subject: plur, vibe and other, (sh On 05-11-94, BOB BAXTER wrote to NE-RAVES@UMDD.UMD.EDU: BB> After reading the posts and forwards of both Hossam and Joshua, the BB> end statement was to obtain literature from gov't agencies regarding BB> the facts of drug use. Well, seeing that there is tons of BB> information about all the different forms of drugs on BB> rechno.stanford.edu, why not just print some of the shorter ones BB> out, arrange them in a nice fashion, and get them printed? BB> Feedback? I have done quick-n-dirty printouts of several of such files from techno, which I bring along with other books, magazines and literature on different subjects to each rave that I vend at. Kind of like my little "reading room" of sorts. Haven't made multiple copies for handout, however. d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 03:50:26 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Paul J Gaydos Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Paul J Gaydos Subject: who is the REACTIONARY really- RE: uk fascist policy twrds rave In-Reply-To: <199405121850.OAA27049@holmes.umd.edu> I haven't posted for awhile but this post disturbed me. in reply to message below about solutions to fascist uk 'rave' policy I disagree with you David. The policy is fascist not the reaction against it. The idea is only making sure that policy is enforced indiscriminately, It would only work if it were that the activist were to help enforce it widespread and uniformly. I severely doubt that party-goers of the techno /traveler variety would be so organized with something that wasn't going to immediately satisfy their need for revelry but I thought it was a good idea. The minority of party-goers have no voice with the parliament and the only way to secure their rights is to make everyone aware that it is an invasion of their rights too as so many laws that were originally made for one purpose and then used for another. You can check with Scotto for instance (just to make it hit a little closer to home) as the law that closed down the Shelter (it was beautiful - I don't remember you being there) was originally written to target one specific club (TRAKKs) which had a history of violent and criminal activity around it. So now in the books in NY there is a law which makes all entertainment ventures illegal past 4am wether they serve alchol or not or wether they have all the fire permits or not... this law is frequently not enforced but just wait till another election time comes around or when the heat is on the system for whatever reason... boom in nyc as with most places your fundamental right to gather will not only be restricted to places the state deems safe to gather but will be taken away. This is something to fight against and it doesn't seem like the idea of this tactic is reacionary in the negative sense, it is an intelligent, constructive way to build pubic awareness and address the issue. Seperate from my opinion on the issue of the idea... I take offense at your cheap and extremely- subjective attack on the idea. You have the right to speak it which I will defend to death but I have the freedom to take offense... you make broad assumptions about the persons background and use abusive language towards a negative end. No excuse to pigeon-hole anyone and attack someone in this non-constructive matter. You could have gotten to your disaggrement with the issue without attacking the person in such a racist, sexist, and yes "reactionary" way. You probably would have gotten more respect too. I hope I see less of this... I'm glad this kind of thing doesn't dominate this board. Take it to the IRC or some other listserver. I hope that this is as important as the last post you printed and copied to Scotto. Knowing him, I don't think he'll disagree with me. > ***************START FLAME BELOW********************* > > It is rare that I see such right wing reactionary swill on this group. > Are you white? so lets see if we can fuck it up for people of color. Maybe > your male, so > let's mess with the women of the world. I'm sure you can find some inequity > for your > particular (and insular) group. The propper redress, If i read you > correctly, is to oppress > some other group to help your own. I must say that this tecnique was _very_ > effective > in Germany in the late 30s. Some people were having a bad time with their > economic > status so they found another group and BURNED A FEW MILLION OF THEM. > > Are you so short sighted to think that these _other_ groups woudn'l hold > you responsible? Are you so conceited to think that you're _better_ than > the so called 'average' people? Are you so mean spirited as to fuck up > someone's, > who has done nothing to you, party so you can have your own? > > Technically???? Technically??? You _would_ be on the police's side. A snitch. > a fink.You judge a person by their actions as well as motivation. The > proverbial > road to proverbial hell is proverbially paved with fucking > proverbial good intentions. > > You sic the police on anti-choice terrorists, book burning > psycho-christians, crypto-facist > jew hateing nazi bastards. Fag bashing homophobes. Maybe, and I'm not sure that > sucking up to law enforcment is _ever_ a good idea, they tend to > bite that hand that feeds them. > > > And I'm sure that the white affluent males that run countries would do > anything to prevent we, the people, from exercising any control over their > actions. > > No excuse for this anti-freedom tirade > > i just think that the best way to fight > >corruption is to be on its side; i.e. "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." > > > > Great, listen to yourself. "I wanna be corrupt. I have a good reason" > > I'm not sure how to fight this anti-raver bullshit that we are seeing but > I am sure that this cure is worse than the disease. > > > ********************END FLAME*********************** > woof > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 06:12:00 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: FatHOM that! HEYA!!! Well, here's the second HOM of the week, nope I won't be attending anything this weekend, although I've performed about 4 concerts over the last two weeks adn after tonight's I might head down to the weekly Modern Music deal...so If'n I do, hope to catch ya'll there! Keep well...love openly....pray to music Mel aka Groooviest Coconut **************************************************************************** EAST COAST HOM OF THE WEEK **************************************************************************** mail melzie@wam.umd.edu for changes and/or additions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 14th Rage Harrisburg, Pa. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Smeddy smart bar smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Friday, May 20 THE AWAKENING Ashbury Park, NJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mars [SPINNIN!] a176@lehigh.edu Jenn-bug [Doin' Smart Bar!] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, May 21 MYSTERY MACHINE Allentown, PA ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jenn-bug [Doin smart bar!] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, June 2 RAVE THE BAY Baltimore Harbor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allen Menegay escapist@owlnet.rice.edu Melzie melzie@wam.umd.edu Peekay pereira@seas.gwu.edu Bob Baxter p00284@psilink.com Amy aka Piglet AMWALCZA@INDYVAX.BITNET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ August 28 ARIA North Carolina ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jenn-Bug [Doin Smart Bar] smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 11:22:18 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , TSIMPSON@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Terence Simpson Subject: last living room tonight is the last living room. Scotto, DB, & Soul Slinger have been losing money lately so they are stopping the party. If you have not been to the space, you should check it out. The Loft is the longest running underground club in NYC. Six people actually live there. I will talk to Scotto and try to get $5 admission for all ne-ravers. It shouldn't be a problem. The address is 238 east 3rd st between ave b and c. You can call 212.330.8233 for more information. You can look for me at the smart bar or just ask around. peace Terence tsimpson@mary.fordham.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 14:42:44 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Fight back (My reply to replies to my reply) I want to make sure that it is clear from where I am coming. all of this is IMHO. 1. P is for Unity was a joke. 2. I was/am responding to one aspect of the original post, that is that the way to repond to this outrageous attack on _our_ rights is to inflict the same on others to enlist them in _our_ cause and un-conceal the injustice of it all. The premise was to find out other events that could fall under the same catagory and turn them into the police. If the poster wants to recant, fine, but for the moment let's use this as a starting point. This sets one group apart from another. In the origial post the 'others' included > folk festivals, rock concerts, and ethnic music festivals. In folow ups it seems to be limited to symphonies, I assume in an attempt limit the scope of such harrasment to a group that we can all dis. 3. Various replies have raised a number of issues. I don't need to study the 60s; I was there. It was _never_ acceptable to use the police. If we disagreed with someone we left a burning bag of shit on their doorstep. In fact, various radical groups disintegrated over this very issue. Recently the Pro-choice clinic defense movement, in which I am involved, has been torn over this very issue. But at least its a clearer case of using law enforcement to target the bad guys. What we have here is a case of using the police to target 'others' with disregard for who they are. To the original poster, I got that there was a tiredness involved, and _none_ of what I say is directed to you personally. In fact, I repect your passion over the issue. From your follow up I get that your are ingaged in an inquiry rather than taking a position and I respect that. Not that MHO about you or your position means shit anyway. I _never_ intended to direct the "are you green then attack the reds" construction to anyone specific. The use of the 'other' to address inequity is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany. There was a specific plan to target the Jews, as a group, in order to distract the aryan (sic?) people from their economic hardships. I don't suggest that the original poster intended anythig like this, but rather that this is what this kind of tactic can lead to. Once a group is thought of as 'the other' its just a matter of degree as to how far one will go. I spoke to a number of people last night at Ooomaloompah, including Scotto, and we agreed that this tactic sent a chill. BTW, we kept the Shelter very dark, probably why you missed me. I been involved in the club scene since the late 70s The current cyclical crack down has it's roots in The Happy Land fire. Most clubs close for more than one reason. Comminuty pressure (Let's target the Community Board system), Landlords, political pressure, economics are just a few. 4. Finally. Thanks for the mail responses. Thanks for taking offense. I do feel that this is exactically what the net does best. A place where the expression of ideas isn't limited to where to party (or programm or travel). If you don't like the bandwidth, I suggest checking headers before reading posts. But that's just me being queeny. To paraphrase: They came for the Jews, I said nothing. They came for the poor, I said nothing. They came for the ravers, I said nothing. They came for me....No one was left to say anything. woof ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 15:48:12 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Subject: Re: who is the REACTIONARY really- RE: uk fascist policy twrds rave If NYC decided to ever start cracking down on party goers, whether it be ravers or people going to hip hop clubs and people decide to fight it they have to realize that most politicians are only going to have singular conceptions of nightlife that is going to include everyone from the most harmless ravers to violent club goers. If you want to fight it you would have to show them that you are different from the images they have in their heads, which will be hard considering the bad publicities raves have gotten about drugs(remember the news segment on Essence II?). This is just something to think about considering that it may become an issue in the future, but considering Giuliani has been in office for several months and hasn't really seemed to target any sectors of the nightlife there may be nothing to worry about, but watch out if Curtis Sliwa ever gets any real power. I thought that the Shelter closed due to some type of tax problems and not the ordinance, was I wrong, I thought I heard it on the NASA line last summer. Brian ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 18:21:16 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Subject: Synovial Fluid Hi all!! I am not sure how many of you all are going to Synovial Fluid on June 11 in Pittsburgh but I was wondering if I could ask the BIGGEST favor ever.... I really really really really need a ride there and and um I was wondering if you could give me and my stuff and possible someone else a ride there...I will be in philly at the time right before the event and unfortunately with out net connection :( So I would need to know by this Thursday..So if you think that would would be going and you would be anywhere near Philly on the way Please consider. Also, I would be willing to pay some gas and could get you in to the event for FREE and FREE smart drinks during the evening :) Well, e-mail me at: smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu by this thursday :) *hugs* Peace, Jennifer Smeddy Jenn-bug ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 20:03:41 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Detail magazine article - quote re jungle I received the June 1994 issue of Details magazine today. In an article entitled 'London Crawling' by Jim Shelley the following paragraph was written: Even yob-watching, though, is better than dealing with a night of the music known as hardcore/jungle. This new sound is "dark, nasty, ugly music for dark, nasty, ugly people" (that's a _fan_ talking) and is undoubtedly London's next gift to world music. Even the club fiends who like extreme techno (which sounds like jackhammers) hate hardcore/jungle. At 180 bpm, the beats are so fast and furious that your insides and eyeballs vibrate." The above quote doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Perhaps other list readers would care to comment. Virtually yours, Bob "thinks Jim Shelley is a weenie" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 20:37:38 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Re: Detal Mag. article :) HARDCORE IS GREAT. Granted, I'd rather have a few hardcore sets with good aciiieeedddd before and after, though. But there is nothing like hardcore (except perhaps gabber) to take you, shake you upsided down, grip your whole f*#%ing body and rip your soul out (until the music stops, that is :) ) ps. What is yob-watching? Sounds kinky :) Peace, Terence ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 20:47:58 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: Detal Mag. article In-Reply-To: <199405140040.UAA08678@holmes.umd.edu> from what i understand, jungle is the gangsta rap of the u.k. as far as attitudes and presentation of one's self go, i mean. dark, scary, and ugly, or whatever it was, is then the desired personality. go figger. chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 11:20:01 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: Re: Detail magazine article - quote re jungle what a load of crap. i detest it when a "fan" makes the music that he listens to sound bad to people that haven't heard it... i have run across countless people thet think that techno is repititous crap made by soul-less computers... ...then they turn around and listen to Pet Shop Boys, Duran Duran, and say "now that's real music" all i can do is laugh. fighting the ignorance 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 11:24:18 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: The lights go off... ok, just finished my last test... i'm outta here!!! i WILL be on vrave this summer: obin/1000 as always see you there address Obin Robinson 157 W 1st St Corning, NY 14830-2542 607.936.0221 stop by anytime, call first if i'm not there, someone will say where i am rave on! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 12:49:50 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Darshan M. Jesrani" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Darshan M. Jesrani" Subject: Details Mag Article I think that Details was probably commenting more on the fact that a lot of what defines jungle techno is that much of it is produced by hard-ass, bitter kids who live in shit neighborhoods and don't have a lot of money or hope. The article gave me the impression that on the whole, the scene in Britain is kind of bizarre and negative, and attracts a lot of fucked-up, strung-out, hard-up nasty people.. I'd like to know if anyone has been to the clubs that were mentioned in the article and whether or not these places actually fit the descriptions provided. Working class, low-income Britain has always been pissed off and this is probably just another incarnation of that.. Darshan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 13:27:38 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Subject: Re: Details Mag Article I was over in the UK several months ago although I didn't get a chance to go to a hardcore club or rave I read a bunch of hardcore fanzines and mags. The scene over there actually seems to be fairly unified and peaceful, these were only surface images though as I expect there arethe same kinds of problems that we have. The one piece of negativity that I did see was in relation to people coming from hip-hop clubs to jungle parties and bringing along the crap that they associated with hip-hop clubs(i.e. violence and harder drugs like crack). The true junglists seem to be a fairly peaceful bunch. Brian ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 16:16:47 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Detal Mag. article In-Reply-To: <199405140048.UAA08726@holmes.umd.edu> On Fri, 13 May 1994, secret agent #33 wrote: > from what i understand, jungle is the gangsta rap of the u.k. as far as > attitudes and presentation of one's self go, i mean. Well I hate say this chris but you don't understand it. It is not the gangsta rap of the UK. It is slammin 'ard music that is not about putting you in a trance or living the ambient dream (whatever that is) but about reality. I suggest you read the article in the March issue (I think) Vibe magazine for real objective reporting on the Jungle scene. Joe |[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]| |------------------------1-8-7_____________Wicked_Rides_to_the_Darkside__| |[][][][][][][][][] Jungle/Darkness/Hard Acid *live* PAs (performances)__| |[][][][][][][] email raver909@telerama.lm.com for bookings info & demo__| |[][][][][] Or ftp sfraves.stanford.edu for the song 'Syrous Darkness'___| |[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]| ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 17:21:25 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "flu'id (floo'-)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "flu'id (floo'-)" Subject: Re: Detal Mag. article In-Reply-To: <199405142017.QAA12463@holmes.umd.edu> On Sat, 14 May 1994, Joe LeSesne wrote: > gangsta rap of the UK. It is slammin 'ard music that is not about putting ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Notice the UKism ;) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 20:55:19 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: Re: details article the music known as hardcore/jungle. This new sound is "dark, nasty, ugly music for dark, nasty, ugly people" (that's a _fan_ talking) and is undoubtedly London's next gift to world music. Even the club fiends who like extreme techno (which sounds like jackhammers) hate hardcore/jungle. At 180 bpm, the beats are so fast and furious that your insides and eyeballs vibrate." item 1: i dont know about you, but the fastest record i own is 166 bpm, and most are from 150-160. i must be doing something wrong then. and the tracks i make usually fall between 155-161 bpm. i guess im a wimp :) item 2: i suppose all my reinforced and moving shadow recs fall under the "hardcore/jungle" umbrella...and something like the new blame+justice (shadow 42) is WAY to chill to make my insides vibrate ;) have these people even heard uplifting stuff? piano stuff? item 3: "london's next gift to world music" - remind me to send a thank-you note to england :) item 4: "dark, nasty, ugly music for dark, nasty, ugly people" hmmm, obviously they've never seen a picture of melanie ;) ;) ;) -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 21:02:23 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Details mag article ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 23:27:57 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Ramsay To: Breaks Subject: Re: Light those flamethrowers once again.. > Even yob-watching, though, is better than dealing with a night of > the music known as hardcore/jungle. This new sound is "dark, nasty, > ugly music for dark, nasty, ugly people" (that's a _fan_ talking) > and is undoubtedly London's next gift to world music. Even the > club fiends who like extreme techno (which sounds like jackhammers) > hate hardcore/jungle. At 180 bpm, the beats are so fast and > furious that your insides and eyeballs vibrate." Hmmm. If you watch carefully when people dance to jungle you'll notice that most people dont't last for long dancing at 180bpm. I personally listen for sub-rhythms. I.e. the slower ambient part which is generally half the speed. The energy is there in the beat if you wanna go for it and lose some energy, but if you wanna last the night then you dance slower. Chris. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 21:13:46 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Sjakie Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Sjakie Subject: Hi! Hi all! I am back! First of I wanna apologize for things I said I would do and didnt do them! [you all know what I mean] REASON: I got a real job few months ago and got completely sucked into it. It is a job from 9 to 9 and on Saturday 9-6 [so I can still make it to some parties, if it close =) ] I do not have as much time as I had before, basically I wake up, set up my computers to render fractals and animations and go to work. I comeback from work save my stuff and set my machines to render stuff overnight, which pretty much leaves me NO TIME to do anything else [like the MESSAGES I promised I would show at one of the parties =( ] At least I am back tho...kind of! We're preparing for Sputnik. We've got some serious competition now [as you see on the flyer] so we working much harder now. btw I hope some of them actually show up! hehe... anyhow here me IZ! Jake Melon --------------------------------------------------------------------------- MELON DEZIGN MULTIMEDIA Rave/Nightclub Computer Video Projections Live ONLY! No Video Tapes Video Sampling/3D Graphics/Psychedelic Visuals "Not From Concentrate" Visual Aurals/Retinal Stimulation and other melon@access.netaxs.com neat stuff. Not affiliated with MD France. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- VIDEO TAPE UPDATE: Nigel Richards is doing some acid and trance music for my video tape, we got about 35 or so minutes of music done. Once we reach 60 the tape will be out! we scraped our plans at using mixed music [from records]... we'll just make it ALL original music. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 08:43:42 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: fight back In-Reply-To: <199405121516.LAA24926@holmes.umd.edu>; from "ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU" at May 12, 94 11:15 am Of course all you might end up doing is stopping not only raves, but all music gathering in britain -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 08:49:53 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: Re: fight back In-Reply-To: <199405121908.PAA27356@holmes.umd.edu>; from "secret agent #33" at May 12, 94 3:08 pm chris what he is getting at is that busting non-rave parties and fucking up other poeples enjoyment so as to save raving is an ass backwards way to go about shit. The answer to the illegal rave law is not a petulant cry of why dont u stop them, you stopped us. It is not to say if we cant have ours,m fuck you, you cant ahver yours. it wont cure the problem, and will make it worse -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 12:05:20 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Subject: Re: fight back One thing is that parliament has been against raves and has enacted laws to combat raves since they began back in '88. After the summer of love the police seemed to realize that kids were have entirely too much fun so they started to crack down and parliament passed anti-rave laws(don't know the specifics.) Most recently parliament passed laws, I think 1 or 2 years ago, to try and combat the travelling festival scene. From what I know about it they could descend on any area where there was supposed to be an illegal festival(rave) and setup roadblocks for a 5 mile radius, they could also confiscate the sound system, and all other equitment(including the djs records) I don't particularly think that this new law is that new, it seems as if it is filling in some of the holes. Think about it this way, they've had the laws and still have tons and tons of huge parties going on. part of the law seems analogous to illegal parties here where the spaces haven't been inspected and end up not being up to fire codes or whatever. I do agree the part about people gathering is a bit fascist, but if passed(which there is no guarantee to) it will only make it harder to party, not impossible, and considering that the British scene has already had to overcome so much adversity with the govt I'm sure they will land on their feet should it be passed. Brian ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 14:03:56 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Matt Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Matt Subject: UK stuff I'm not sure what's up with hardcore and jungle in the UK, but I have heard a lot about darkness in the UK. I've gotten a lot of rave 'zines from the UK, and one thing that a lot of ravers are saying is that they don't like darkness breaks at all. Many of the people say that they want a return to the happy breaks, 'cause it's only the DJs and a handfull of ravers that get into darkness. One of the magazines had an entire page of letters devoted to the controversy, and the only people who said they dug darkness were indeed DJs. Here's where the scene gets kind of weird, I guess, 'cause I definitely like darkness breaks over other types. It seems that darkness is on the rise here in the US too. Matt DJ Fresh BLend ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 15:08:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Darkness? Jungle? Hmmm...I may have heard these styles at some point or another, but I have no idea of what they refer to. Could someone try to "define" these please? Thanks. Terence ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 15:19:00 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: IUMA on the Web (fwd) This guy didn't quite hit his mark, so I am forwarding the message. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 02:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From:ianc@cats.ucsc.edu To: jvance@uci.edu, anarchy@eng.umd.edu, dz5401a@american.edu, flraves@cybernet.cse.fau.edu, mw-raves@engin.umich.edu, cism@ere.montreal.ca, pb-cle-raves@telerama.pgh.pa.us, ausraves@lsupoz.apana.org.au Subject: IUMA on the Web 'lo co-ravers, This is a short messgae to poke yer interest in IUMA, the Internet Underground Music Archive, a free (for artists/bands and listeners) high fidelity music archive on the Internet available through the WWW. How you check and grok it: World-Wide Web : http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/ianc/index.html : FTP : sunsite.unc.edu : cd /pub/electronic-publications/IUMA : Gopher : sunsite.unc.edu : select 5. Worlds of SunSITE : 3. Browse all SunSite Archives : 10. electronic-publications : Mailing List : email majordomo@www.echo.com with the words : "subscribe iuma-news" in the body of the message. Please tell your loved ones about us. More info available upon request. peace(); rl. -- Robert Lord for IUMA info: iuma@www.echo.com .___ ____ ___ _____ _____ | | | \ \ / _ \ the net's first free hi-fi music archive | | | / Y \/ /_\ \ .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. | | | / | \ | \ The Internet Underground Music Archive |___|______/____|__ /___|__ / bands/music/artists/images/nachos ====================\/=======\/============================================ WWW http://sunsite.unc.edu:/ianc/index.html | FTP same:/pub/e-p/IUMA | 8U)=) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 18:25:18 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , NigelR611 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: NigelR611@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic ... add WoW! Pretty sweet lineup. I'd love to spin in Dayton. I'm Nigel Richards and I spin a bit over here on the east coast. I just played at Furthur in milw. Please email me if you need to know more about me. I'm really interested in travelling a bit more. I could send you a list of events played and a press kit of stuff if you'd like. I like to play experimental trance and acid as well as a bit of tribal. I also own 611 Records in Philly....I don't know if you've heard of it. You can reach me there Mon-Sat, 1-9pm at (215)413-9100. Thanks, Nigel ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 18:32:13 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , NigelR611 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: NigelR611@AOL.COM Subject: Re: SOTTO TERRA UPDATE Ever interested in a guest from Philly? I'm Nigel Richards and I own 611 Records, a shop in Philly. I'd like to travel North a little more often. please email me. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 18:58:05 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Sjakie Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Sjakie Subject: Re: SOTTO TERRA UPDATE In-Reply-To: <199405152232.SAA19375@holmes.umd.edu> On Sun, 15 May 1994 NigelR611@AOL.COM wrote: > Ever interested in a guest from Philly? > I'm Nigel Richards and I own 611 Records, a shop in Philly. I'd like to > travel North a little more often. > > please email me. > Oh you lamer Nigel! A LAME America Online Account! YUK!!!!! melon@access.netaxs.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 20:33:33 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: Detal Mag. article In-Reply-To: On Sat, 14 May 1994, Joe LeSesne wrote: > Well I hate say this chris but you don't understand it. It is not the > gangsta rap of the UK. It is slammin 'ard music that is not about putting > you in a trance or living the ambient dream (whatever that is) but about > reality. I suggest you read the article in the March issue (I think) Vibe > magazine for real objective reporting on the Jungle scene. check me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't gangsta hip-hop fall under the description of "slammin 'ard music that is not about putting you in a trance or living the ambient dream....but about reality"??? sounds like it to me. and i will check out vibe (even though its an american magazine and i would think that the articles i've read in british RAVE magazines would be a bit closer to the truth.) but i haven't read vibe yet so i can't say. why don't *you* check out the interview with dj Fabio in issue #15 of Eternity, or issue #10 of Generator. chris (who still types and pronounces his 'h's because he could care less about being a "junglist") ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 22:54:27 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Potential rave sites - Alchemy Hi people, I decide to take some time off today and check out some places to hold a party. Lo and and behold, I came across three potential sites, all within two miles of each other. One is partially enclosed, at least for visuals and DJ setup; the other two are outdoors. All three are in an industrial park setting, away from houses. All three would definitely be of the variety "illegal sites, don't need permits, chance of getting busted" ilk. What's the next step? BTW, these sites are all located in Suffolk County, Long Island. Virtually yours, Bob "scoutin'" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 22:46:31 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John C Avery II Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John C Avery II Subject: YOUR BEAT / DJ TRAX 12" UPDATE [5/16/94] *************** YOUR BEAT RECORDS / DJ TRAX 12" UPDATE 5/16/94 *************** *********************** "Reviews by DJ John Avery" ************************* ******************************************************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: The records reviewed in the UPDATE are received at least TWO weeks prior to the actual commercial copies the store can sell. Please be aware of this grace period when ordering. 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Also check out, 89.9 WKCR FM every Thursday night from 11:30 to 1:00 for Reggae Rhythms and the Stretch Armstrong Bobbito hip-hop show immediately after, until 5 AM. For Long Island area listeners, check out Digital Tension Dimentia every Monday night from 2-4 AM on WUSB 90.1. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For back issues of the UPDATE, check the pub/raves/music/dj/dj-trax directory at the techno.stanford.edu ftp site. If you DO NOT have ftp access, please email me for back issues. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ = This message is from: John C Avery II = = Rutgers University, Newark, NJ, USA = ================================================================================ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 00:12:01 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU Subject: who is the REACTIONARY really- RE: uk fascist policy twrds rave -Reply I have a question for the whole cybertribe. Ready! Why, when making a point, people relate their ideas to Scotto? Who the fuck is he? He's just another person. I don't want to hear Scotto's opinion I want to hear your opinion. If Scotto has a point let him say it. I probably won't agree with what sellout Scotto has to say but I'd still want to hear it. Cool? Peace, Dan DC ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 00:33:16 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Terence R. Strick" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Terence R. Strick" Subject: Review: No Name This was a small Digital Deviants party that took place on the edge of New Brunswick last Friday night. I posted about it on the university news server, and 6 of us ended up going :) . The location was a small abandonned warehouse off some railroad tracks in an industrial park; maybe 10 yards wide by 40 long or so...Lighting: a strobe. Sounds: two largish speakers. Good tunes going when we got there at around 2 a.m., but not many people dancing. Maybe 50 people, 20 of whom were moving to the music. The music was pretty mellow acid--not trancey, not too hard, some vocals thrown in (Earth...There is no Planet Earth sped up a bit, for example :) ) Mars was supposed to DJ, which is one of the resasons why we went in the first place. Unfortunately, Mars didn't make it :( I guess he wasn't feeling too hot :( GET BETTER, MARS!! HEAL!! HEAL!! :) So we danced for about an hour, during which the number of people slowly dwindled. Then the cops came, gave people their tax money's worth of harassement (FUCKING PIGS GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO?? THERE WERE NO DRUGS, NO ALCOHOL, JUST PEOPLE DANCING...and so a bunch of uneducated, moronic, power-tripping (#%&#$ decide they want to break up the party :( ). Grrr. And that was the end of that :( Terence ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 01:15:45 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Subject: Re: UK stuff matt (dj fresh blend) wrote: I'm not sure what's up with hardcore and jungle in the UK, but I have heard a lot about darkness in the UK. I've gotten a lot of rave 'zines from the UK, and one thing that a lot of ravers are saying is that they don't like darkness breaks at all. Many of the people say that they want a return to the happy breaks, 'cause it's only the DJs and a handfull of ravers that get into darkness. One of the magazines had an entire page of letters devoted to the controversy, and the only people who said they dug darkness were indeed DJs. Here's where the scene gets kind of weird, I guess, 'cause I definitely like darkness breaks over other types. It seems that darkness is on the rise here in the US too. Matt DJ Fresh BLend hmmm...the question that needs to be asked is: what exactly ARE darkness breaks? especially nowadays, making a definition isn't that easy...there is so much new uplifting musical breakbeat out there now that making determinations are close to impossible. something like jmj+ritchie, omni trio, or anthing on enforcers 6 & 7 (reinforced recs) certainly owes more to dark stuff than "happy happy" stuff, but are so well constructed and musical that crowds seem to like it....hmmmm -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 03:30:10 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Paul J Gaydos Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Paul J Gaydos Subject: Re: who is the REACTIONARY really- RE: uk fascist policy twrds rave -Reply In-Reply-To: <199405160410.AAA20893@holmes.umd.edu> On Mon, 16 May 1994 CLIFTODA@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU wrote: > I have a question for the whole cybertribe. Ready! > Why, when making a point, people relate their ideas to Scotto? Who > the fuck is he? He's just another person. I don't want to hear > Scotto's opinion I want to hear your opinion. If Scotto has a point > let him say it. I probably won't agree with what sellout Scotto has > to say but I'd still want to hear it. Cool? > Peace, > Dan DC I related it to Scotto in that instance because David works closly with him and the last time I made and opinionated post he bothered to print it out and show Scotto. I guess it was partially in jest. Although I'm satisfied that David's argument holds alot more water since he restated it without all the nasty attacks and language, and he responded to most of the re: objections posted: he still circumvented the issue that he attacked the original postee with racist and sexist presumptions that besides being so foul were also incorrect. Even if he appologizes for making the incorrect assumptions about the postee, I feel personally attacked in the presuppositions that indicate a that fascist ideas are somehow intrinsically white and male and that subtext which attacks white males as being intrinsically evil. If white males are so intrinsically evil as his statements imply why does he work for an organization which is so dominated that way still? I just don't get it and that was what I took the most offense at, not the core argument he made about combating UK anti-rave laws. Well, then again maybe i should have more tolerance for ideologies I disagree with like rascism and sexism. Paul Paul ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 06:08:24 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: Cool! I found this in one of my newsgroups today..... I thought this was shareable :) Melzie Article: 21884 of rec.arts.theatre Subject: Neuromancer Opera Date: 9 May 1994 21:39:28 -0700 The cyberpunk cult classic _Neuromancer_ is becoming an opera, planned for later this year. Yes, OPERA. It's being done in Berkeley by a bunch of cool people, using cutting-edge theatrical effects. There is a party in the SF bay area this coming Saturday for people to talk about it, meet the people who are doing it, and in general hang out and have a good time (maybe even pitch in ideas/support/etc. for the production). Here's the specifics: Neuromancer Fundraiser/Momentum Party Where: Substance Interactive Media, 444 Grove St., San Francisco When: Saturday, May 14, 8:00pm What: Food, drink, live music from Clubfoot orchestra, dancing How: RSVP to BCO at (510)883.0557 or e-mail to chao@crl.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 09:26:54 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: Is there a NW raves? Hey all, I might be moving to Vancouver, either move, or just take a LONG visit....so I was wondering if there was a NorthWest rave group...since I wouldn't have computer access out there, that's not what I need it for, just so I can set up soemthing to now some people out there before I run off...don't worry, if I leave I'll ask someone to set up and finish some of the stuff I've done for you guys along with finishing helping the people I'm used to as far as supplying DJs and such..no prob.....I might not go, this is a just in case kinda thing.... Ah well....pass along any info ya find....thanks... Melanie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 14:15:00 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MONO Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MONO Subject: fsol just out of curiosity...and because tales of ephidrina was killa... has anyone heard the new future sound of london yet???? from what i've heard it's just "ok"...but that seems odd, being that their last album blew me away.. the uk-dance listserv and ppl i've talked to said it was "ok" so that's were i'm getting my info..... and i've been waiting for this release for soooo looonngg... aaron.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .________mono________________________stu_awmeyers@vax1.acs.jmu.edu____________. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 14:39:06 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: fsol In-Reply-To: <199405161815.OAA28606@holmes.umd.edu> well, i've had the 'cascade' 12" since last january. its pretty good. i liked the amorph. androg. release a bit more than i like the cascade thing, which is strange because the AA thing is supposedly the outtakes from the cascade thing. whatever, its alright. its way more ambient than dance music. chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the Squishy Designs Love Project, send mail to: squishy@world.std.com. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be used as toys in the next Squishy Rasterbation Session, and an agent id # will be allocated to you automatically. You have been warned. Please report any perversion, wackiness, etc. to squishy@world.std.com. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 15:11:45 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "flu'id (floo'-)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "flu'id (floo'-)" Subject: Re: fsol In-Reply-To: <199405161839.OAA28966@holmes.umd.edu> On Mon, 16 May 1994, secret agent #33 wrote: > thing, which is strange because the AA thing is supposedly the outtakes > from the cascade thing. Actually, the AA album is outtakes from their new album which is called "Lifeforms". Lifeforms is currently out on promo and a few people on the IDM mailing list have reviewed it. The consensus seems to be that it is outstanding. FSOL are actually on the net now and mention previous reviews on the IDM mailing list in the press release for their new album. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 17:49:09 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: SOTTO TERRA all done Well, I just heard from Joel that the fine city of Manchester has passed an ordinance that specifically doesn't allow events after 2am (alcohol or no alcohol) anymore. So, what that means is... SOTTO TERRA at the INDUSTRY is no more. It was a good time though and all good things must come to and end. I hope everyone who came had as much fun as I did. This Friday night, Joel and I are putting together NEAU's first OUTDOOR Outlaw party of the summer!! We got the space and the sound and all that. I'll be sending info out about it soon! see ya. dave. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 19:45:45 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , geoffE Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: geoffE Subject: Re: UK stuff/Last Post Hey, I was just about to unsubscribe for the summer when I saw the big discussion on the Details magazine. I haven't read the article yet, which I should but just to give everyone a good idea, junglism/darkness/'ardcore is not bad for your health. Having been to several UK raves I understand the quote about why people hate it. The "RAVE" scene in Britain is much different form the U.S. So first you must forget about everything you know here and think British. Dance music is very big there. During the summer of '92 the big raves like Fantazia and Raindance and Vision were hosted where basically "rave" music was played(breakbeat). After this the mainstream music press along with the people heavily involved in making the music(mostly the DJ's) started taking a turn toward the underground. THey were sick of huge events with lots of people who really didn't understand the music but where there to have a good time, get fucked up, etc.(SOUND FAMILIAR?) Anyhow, because of this turn for the underground the sound changed. Many started experimenting with sound manipulation. As most of the big rave composers will admit, the big thing now is to take a sound and fuck it up as much as possible to make into another sound and a massive chewn. So the whole rave scene was departing from its poppiness that had taken over(Smart E's, Felix, Family Foundation) and went harder, faster and more jungle(ragga). In addition, what you had in the media was a denouncing of the whole rave scene by magazines like Mixmag and DJ plus Record Mirror. On a whole, everyone except those who liked the sound and the DJ's denounced the "rave" scene. Eventually the music started speeding up, dark sounds started to be experimented with and along with that the attitude got rougher. The reason that this person is denouncing jungle is because that is an "in" thing to do in Britain nowadays. Still, the music is very big. Mainly lower and working class kids listen to jungle on pirate radio and attend events in London like Innersense, Jungle Fever and A Way of Life at the Paradise Club. So even though it is denounced, it is still very big and still very underground(soundwise that is). I guess the DJ's who spin this music could still be considered to be part of the rave scene, but as I said before, the dance scene is so big there that there are different events for different styles of music(house, progressive, techno, intelligent, ambient, 'ardcore). OK, just to sum up, one reason the 'dark' sound is used is because of the heavy drug influence in the music. Dark sounds while on E have a tendency to create an eerie paranoid yet uplifting feel. One reason why crowds over here don't understand the music and why it is so harsh. Secondly, the dark sound in Britain is out not in. Most DJ's are getting back on the path toward uplifting and ambient sounds over a breakbeat. Forget even hearing jingly piano sounds, it won't happen. Like every electronic music scene, people are going to move forward with the sounds and experiment. The piano sound is from '92, the ambient/emotional sound like which can be heard on the new DeeJay recordings material is a sign of things to come. I doubt this cleared things up but again there is more than one faction that exists there. You have your suburban kids who listen and your rough inner city kids who listen. Some jungle clubs are rough(looking that is judging by the clientele) but most people are so high or on e that everyone is pretty peaceful. Everyone have a good sumnmer!!! geoffe "Come now Rwudebwoy!" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 21:22:46 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Detal Mag. article In-Reply-To: <199405160033.UAA19881@holmes.umd.edu> On Sun, 15 May 1994, secret agent #33 wrote: > check me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't gangsta hip-hop fall under the > description of "slammin 'ard music that is not about putting you in a > trance or living the ambient dream....but about reality"??? sounds like > it to me. and i will check out vibe (even though its an american > magazine and i would think that the articles i've read in british RAVE > magazines would be a bit closer to the truth.) but i haven't read vibe > yet so i can't say. I don't think most gangsta hip-hop would come close to quailify as "slammin", its more about your girls and your guns and not much else. Most gangsta beats are just plain weak compared to the hip-hop of years ago and the good underground jazzy hip hop that is being produced today. Also I don't think Details qualifies as a British rave magazine. > why don't *you* check out the interview with dj Fabio in issue #15 of > Eternity, or issue #10 of Generator. Thanks I will > chris > (who still types and pronounces his 'h's because he could care less > about being a "junglist") > Joe (who is not typically net-picky about how someone spells something so long as I can understand it. Reading for understanding you know...) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 21:58:49 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: Re: fsol In-Reply-To: <199405161839.OAA28966@holmes.umd.edu> the new FSOL album "lifeforms" blows me away... its so much better than their first album.. (tho, i don't think anything will every top "papua new guinea"..) what's so killer about the album is the production.. and odd sounds.. and how it's all pieced together... it's very ambient.. but in a really rhythmic.. and.. *odd* kinda way... >>taylor ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 23:12:34 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: new instinct release (don't miss this one) new ambient release on instinct called EMIT 0094.. very very very good... 9 tracks from Time Recording in the UK... it's got a very dubby.. organic sort of sound... very textured.. "ethno" sort of... you've gotta hear it.. here's the track listing: 1: coco, steel & lovebomb "harlem" 2: voodoo warriors of love "sweat" 3: bad data "deep freeze" 4: gas "pixels" 5: qubism "anthropomorphic" 6: milan "earthloop" 7: miasma "walking blindfold" 8: strawberry girl "poesie" 9: woob "void, part one" <---(my favorite track) check it out... (you can always order it right from instinct too.. price is $15) peace >>taylor ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 23:39:59 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Re: who is the REACTIONARY really- RE: uk fascist policy twrds rave -Reply >I have a question for the whole cybertribe. Ready! >Why, when making a point, people relate their ideas to Scotto? Who >the fuck is he? He's just another person. I don't want to hear >Scotto's opinion I want to hear your opinion. If Scotto has a point >let him say it. I probably won't agree with what sellout Scotto has >to say but I'd still want to hear it. Cool? >Peace, >Dan DC > > My get up on the wrong side of a prozak morning :) woof ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 02:16:00 -0500 Reply-To: David Darrow Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: David Darrow Organization: Pics OnLine MultiUser System - 609-753-2540 Subject: Detail magazine artic On 05-15-94, QARHP01!ROBINS52%SNYCORVA wrote to NE-RAVES: Q> i have run across countless people thet think that techno is Q> repititous crap made by soul-less computers... ...then they turn Q> around and listen to Pet Shop Boys, Duran Duran, and say "now that's Q> real music" Techno artist spend much more time extracting life out of thier computers than most people like that realize. Now although pet shop boys sounds fairly electronic, I wonder if these same people realize that almost every pop-y top-40 song since the invention of the linndrum has had, but has not been limited to, sequenced drums. Most paula abdul dance songs, most soulful ballads, most catchy pop-rock jingles. And musicians bitch when they hear techno, saying "they've replaced us with computers", well shoot, quincy jones replaced you years before the first guy tweaked a 303 filter and called it acid. And were replaced on gigs you WOULD have gotten, not on techno trax where the intent is to sound computerized. And I am of the musicians that get replaced the most, drummers. You either gotta work with it or get out, IMHO. d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 02:16:00 -0500 Reply-To: David Darrow Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: David Darrow Organization: Pics OnLine MultiUser System - 609-753-2540 Subject: Cool! On 05-16-94, MEL-ZO-RAMA wrote to NE-RAVES: M> I found this in one of my newsgroups today..... I thought this was M> shareable :) M> M> The cyberpunk cult classic _Neuromancer_ is becoming an opera, M> planned for later this year. Yes, OPERA. It's being done in M> Berkeley by a bunch of cool people, using cutting-edge theatrical M> effects. There is a party in the SF bay area this coming Saturday M> for people to talk about it, meet the people who are doing it, and in M> general hang out and have a good time (maybe even pitch in M> ideas/support/etc. for the production). I am completely suprised at this news. Of all the forms this book could have jumped to (video-game, miniseries, feature film, enchilada sauce) this is the least likely, and perhaps the best! I wish I could make it out for the kickoff. I actually saw a screenplay for Neuromancer circa 1988, but I guess if you can't get the $$$ of ILM to work on it, it would probably have a production look similar to Dr. Who; not worth doing. I guess I don't have to say that this is one of my favorite books, do I? M> What: Food, drink, live music from Clubfoot orchestra, dancing Why does "Clubfoot orchestra" sound so familiar? I just can't place it. d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 09:54:31 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Jim Waiter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jim Waiter >WoW! >Pretty sweet lineup. I'd love to spin in Dayton. I'm Nigel Richards and I >spin a bit over here on the east coast. I just played at Furthur in milw. > Please email me if you need to know more about me. I'm really interested in >travelling a bit more. I could send you a list of events played and a press >kit of stuff if you'd like. I like to play experimental trance and acid as >well as a bit of tribal. I also own 611 Records in Philly....I don't know if >you've heard of it. You can reach me there Mon-Sat, 1-9pm at (215)413-9100. >Thanks, >Nigel hey nigel... we are only only thinking of one party at a time (so right now we have this thing on the 21st) but i'd be interested in having you in town. could you send a mix tape of your *style*, i am sure you're very good but i'd like to hear the song selections, etc... please send to, jim waiter/425 orchard dr./dayton, oh/45419 thanks, jim ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 10:31:52 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Jim Waiter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jim Waiter Subject: Re: ELE MENT: more info, summed up, etc... hey todd this looks really really neat, good luck with it and any way i can help out just let me know. i would like to submit something but i don't know exactly what, maybe an interview with Fred (psi/telepathic dude) or something. so what is going on in columbus these days? i heard you guys are throwing alot of house parties, how have they been going? i would like to know about them, there's nothing to do in dayton y'know! peace- jim ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 10:35:25 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Jim Waiter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jim Waiter Subject: sorry to waste bandwidth please excuse my personal email, my replies used to go back to the author, not the list... sorry everyone! jim ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 11:03:39 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: (fwd) INFO: Awakening pb-cle-raves@telerama.pgh.pa.us Cybertribe, Just wanted to remind you all that this party is in full effect this Friday night! I definately know this party will be *sooper phat* as will be chilling on the beach the next morning with all my raver friends!!! I'll post directions late3r on today. Peace, Mars DP Productions presents... A W A K E N I N G Friday, May 20 In the Main Sound Chamber: ADAM X - Groove Records, Brooklyn JAMES CHRISTIAN - Limelight, NYC MICRO - Caffeine, Long Island DAVE TRANCE - Caffeine, Long Island MARS - Oral, NJ GLEN GARCIA - Oral, NJ SAL V. - Oral, NJ Downstairs in Deeper Love: NIGEL RICHARDS - 611 Records, Philly SPIKE - Planet X Music, NJ JEFF MANHEIMER - WHTG 106.3 FM, NJ B:RAD - Vinyl, NJ BLACKOUT - Blondies, NJ JAH-RED - Blondies, NJ Mind expanding lighting and visuals by TDL EFFECTS [lighting crew for Nine Inch Nails last tour] 25K of bloody deep sound by BACKWARD AUDIO Smart Bar by LIQUID TECHNOLOGY Tribal Drumming Circle Admission: $10 in advanced, $12 at the door Doors open at 9pm, close late 24 hour info and directions: 908.502.0660 After hours by the ORAL POSSE Net DJs spinning at the after hours... Speed Demon Sprockett Derek Tiffany TICKET LOCATIONS: Planet X Music - New Brunswick, NJ 908.249.0304 Vintage Vinyl - Eatontown, NJ 908.517.0990 611 Records - Philly, PA 215.413.9100 Groove Records - Brooklyn, NY 718.714.5232 PROMO & BUS TRIPS: Outer Space - NJ - 908.506.9592 Angel Asylum - NJ - 908.972.6270 Zoom - Allentown - 215.998.9650 T.H.C. Prod. - Philly - 215.923.4339 Alan Sanctuary - Manhattan - 212.696.8938 Kort & Greg - Long Island - 516.547.7118 United Techno - Conn. - 203.646.6381 DanFreeLove - D.C. - 202.973.2109 TranceFused - Richmond - 804.768.2000 Scooter - New Jersey - 212.479.7760 Foundation - Brooklyn - 718.361.3233 Gearhead - Albany - 518.463.2548 Satellite - Poughkeepsie Thanks out to all those who helped spread the word about this party. Hope to see you all there. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 11:07:03 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: NEAU Outdoor Outlaw Friday MAY 20th Stowe, MA (617) 424 - 7183 N.E.A.U. OUTLAW djm@progress.com N E A U 's first OUTDOOR OUTLAW of the SEASON DJ's: * Joel (Alien House/NEAU) * DJM (Space Lab/NEAU) * Spiderman (NEAU) * Chewbacca (NH) ... with Guest Dj from NYC... * Carlos Tera (Phoenix/B2B/Mental Unity) Time: 1am - Cost: $5 donation DIRECTIONS will be posted in a day or two. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:08:12 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Phinneas Gage Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Phinneas Gage Subject: Squishy Designs To receive your free Squishy Designs Love Packet send a SASE to: Squishy Designs c/o John Shiple 17 William St. Cambridge, MA 02139 Please send photos to if you like...but remember we are not responsible for what might happen to them 8)_______o -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:12:11 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Matt Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Matt Subject: more on darkness Hey, I just wanted to write and say that the magazines that I was thinking of when I said I read that a lot of ravers in the UK don't like darkness where Eternity and Blaze. Matt DJ Fresh BLend ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:27:15 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , General Unix Account Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: General Unix Account Subject: Directions--> Kingdom of the blind Here are the dirctions to the KINGDOM OF THE BLIND. Get youselfs to I-75, If you are comming from I-70 (E or W) take I-75 south. From I-75 south take EXIT-51 (EDWIN C. MOSES BLVD.), turn left on EDWIN C. MOSES BLVD., (towards UD arena) continue until you reach STEWART ST., turn right on STEWART ST., then turn left on to PATTERSON BLVD. as soon as you go over the bridge. Continue on PATTERSON BLVD. until you come about APPLE ST. (should be the first right) where you will maneuver a right turn, travel about 30ft., on your right you will see a nifty gate (this is the entrance). NOTE: There are other gates, and we might have to use another one, but there wil l be signs to inform you. If you are taking I-75 north, follow the same directions as above, except turn right onto EDWIN C. MOSES BLVD. (towards UD arena) from the highway. If you leave the dirctions at home call this number----> 513.496.1071 :) Will I have checked back with the DJ's, and everyone WILL be there. All the DJ's are FAT, the sound people are FAT, and our securety are FAT And even I have been putting on the pounds just for this event. So if a FAT EVENT is what your looking for...... this is it. Maxximum from TN, is providing the lights. Thanks to Freanch E. Zero prod. from Oklahoma are comming up for the video. And thanks to all you who have help in passing out flyers. My intention is to get the house people to try some of the best Hardcore, and for the Hardcore people to enjoy some grooooo veee House. So the main DJ s will be spinning at different times in the two buildings, Unless we can't get th em off the tables. I hope I'll see you all on the 21st. thanks, Kourosh, Ari ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:45:47 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Andy Mills Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Andy Mills Subject: del this is adverts annoy u ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ projekt konfusion presents... 8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8) 8) MOTAH-BOOTY 8) 8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8) (a rave) on tape! (4.29.94) a set of three 110's containing the following beautiful djs... pixel panik dust mars detroit house'n'breaks moontribe trance (-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-) to acquire your set do one of the following... 1. send 3 tapes (90's, 100's, or 110's) plus $2 postage plus $4 taping fee (total $6) to the address below. or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or 2. send $9 for 3 110 maxell MX (metal) tapes plus $2 postage plus $4 taping fee (total $15) to the address below. /|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\ the originals are on DAT so they are good quality... but... i won't lie or promote something falsely... there is some distortion... coming out of the mixer... during some of the mixes... i find it excusable and definitely still listenable... ########################### # projekt konfusion # # 109 elm st # # state college, pa 16801 # ########################### ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 16:06:36 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , e boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: e boy Subject: Rave the Bay hey all, there are still many tickets left for rave the bay, so don't think that you can't get them! we are now selling them at modern music and will have them at musicnow when they open this week, so if it's easier you can pick them up there. we are also doing mail order tickets (you can trust us), or we will do a will call thing at the boat if you send us money for a ticket too late to mail it back to you. also, one final note about the price - (cause some people have commented on it). the boat alone is costing more money then some of our entire raves, and if we were to charge even $31, we would be losing money. it's just because the boat only holds 450 people. if it held 1000, then the party would be cheaper. but i can say this - don't doubt that this party is going to be one of the most memorable in east coast rave history, one that you don't want to miss! oh and, if you are going, i can't stress enough to bear in mind that if you are an illicit substance user :) , this is not the party to go overboard (in every sense of the word!) peace see you around lonnie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 19:25:06 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Re: Cool! In-Reply-To: <199405171254.IAA07117@holmes.umd.edu> On Tue, 17 May 1994, David Darrow wrote: > On 05-16-94, MEL-ZO-RAMA wrote to NE-RAVES: > > M> What: Food, drink, live music from Clubfoot orchestra, dancing > Why does "Clubfoot orchestra" sound so familiar? I just can't place it. Hee hee, this is what struck me as most amusing of all things. Clubfoot Orchestra is a Bay Area ensemble that does some really cool stuff. Their most famous (and IMHO, best) work was a new soundtrack for the silent movie Metropolis. Originally Metropolis had this patchwork classical music made to be played with it (not actually recorded, but played as accompanyment). I had seen Metropolis first without the music, and then with the Clubfoot CD cued up and running alongside it, WOW! I would love to see them do the brunt of the musical effects (if not the entire soundtrack) rather than some 'IM Cyber RU' band. Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 19:45:46 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Re: Squishy Designs >Please send photos to if you like...but remember we are not responsible >for what might happen to them 8)_______o Yeah Handi, I've seen what Chris can do with his Mac and a couple of "convenient" photos - frightening - I always wondered how the National Enquirer came up with those pix :) Grant Most Quoted Oz-Raver Line In History: "we are not conforming to the social ideal of non conformity" - VicZ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 20:01:16 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Andy Mills Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Andy Mills Subject: repost of an incomplete advert. sorry... forgot the "who to make the checks out to" last time. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ projekt konfusion presents... 8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8) 8) MOTAH-BOOTY 8) 8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8)8) (a rave, 4.29.94) on tape! a set of three 110's containing the following beautiful djs... pixel panik dust mars detroit house'n'breaks moontribe trance (-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-)(-) to acquire your set do one of the following... 1. send 3 tapes (90's, 100's, or 110's) plus $2 postage plus $4 taping fee (total $6) to the address below. or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or 2. send $9 for 3 110 maxell MX (metal) tapes plus $2 postage plus $4 taping fee (total $15) to the address below. /|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\-/|\ the originals are on DAT so they are good quality... but... i won't lie or promote something falsely... there is some distortion... coming out of the mixer... during some of the mixes... i find it excusable and definitely still listenable... ########################### # projekt konfusion # # 109 elm st # # state college, pa 16801 # ########################### make any checks payable to andy mills, please. (and don't forget a return address). ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 20:58:51 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , a big silver fish Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: human mesh dance / P-909 From: a big silver fish Organization: [MindVox] / Phantom Access Technologies / (+1 800-MindVox) Subject: Re: Rave the Bay In-Reply-To: <199405172006.QAA12874@holmes.umd.edu> sorry to space.. but, when and where is rave the bay again? >>taylor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 22:07:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Subject: Re: Rave the Bay Thursday, June 2nd in Baltimore (On the bay of course! :) Tickets are $35...Call 410-880-7031 (The Ultraworld Infoline) on how to get tickets! Peace.. Craig ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 22:40:37 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Phinneas Gage Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Phinneas Gage Subject: Re: Squishy Designs In-Reply-To: <199405172345.AA24672@world.std.com>; from "Grant D McHerron" at May 17, 94 7:45 pm >> >>Yeah Handi, I've seen what Chris can do with his Mac and a couple of >>"convenient" photos - frightening - I always wondered how the National >>Enquirer came up with those pix :) >> >> >>Grant AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It wasn't me. I didn't do it woozle wazzle. -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 01:35:44 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Michael J Minnich Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Michael J Minnich Subject: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 5/17/94) =============================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR =============================================================================== I gave the calendar a little facelift. If someone would send me a list of all the subscription addresses for all the other regional rave lists, I think that it would be a cool thing to include from now on. (someone suggested it a while back, I forget who.) Dan, please check my subscribe/unsubscribe instructions to make sure they're kosher. -inhuman, harDCore once again _______________________________________________________________________________ PURPOSE: The Northeast Raves Calendar comes out every Wednesday with information on raves and events as far west as Pittsburgh and as far south as Washington, DC. I will not print info on clubs unless it is either the grand opening of a new club or guest DJ / special event info for an already existing club. I reserve the right to exclude an event from the calendar for any reason. If you would specifically *not* like your event included in the calendar for some reason, send me email telling me so. The calendar is provided as-is at no cost. SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION: Directions for subscribing and unsubscribing are at the end of this file. ADDITIONS / CORRECTIONS: Send all additions and corrections to inhuman+@cmu.edu. Also send any DC/Baltimore area rave info to melzie@wam.umd.edu so she can share it with the DC Raves mailing list. KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES SUMMARY: 05/20/94 - DUB TRIBE SOUND SYSTEM - Baltimore, MD - (410) 880 - 1166 05/20/94 - SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT * (dm- Baltimore, MD - (410) 523 - 1882 05/20/94 - FATHOM * (Goodwill) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 05/20/94 - THE AWAKENING - Asbury Park, NJ - (908) 502 - 0660 05/21/94 - REFILL - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 8458 05/21/94 - MYSTERY MACHINE - Allentown, PA - (???) ??? - ???? 05/27/94 - SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT * (ca- Baltimore, MD - (410) 523 - 1882 05/27/94 - CARPE DIEM - Rhode Island - (401) 455 - 2104 05/28/94 - MAGIC - New York City - (212) 592 - 3687 06/02/94 - RAVE THE BAY - Chesapeake Bay, MD- (410) 880 - 7031 06/03/94 - FATHOM * (Stress) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/04/94 - GALAXY 2000 - Brooklyn, NY - (212) 631 - 1065 06/10/94 - FATHOM * (Reese) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/11/94 - SYNOVIAL FLUID - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 741 - 1573 06/11/94 - SPUTNIK IV - Poughkeepsie, NY - (212) 465 - 3299 06/17/94 - MINIWARP @ - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/18/94 - DEEPER * (Peer) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/18/94 - TERRA-X - Cleveland, OH - (216) 238 - 1451 06/24/94 - FATHOM * (Dave Trance) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 06/25/94 - NATURAL RHYTHM - Upstate Maryland - (410) 523 - 1882 06/25/94 - BIRTH - Upstate New York - (518) 432 - 4784 07/01/94 - FATHOM * (Micro) - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 07/02/94 - GLOW - Baltimore, MD - ultraworld@aol.com 07/23/94 - PLANET EARTH - New York City - (516) 547 - 6129 07/29/94 - TIMEWARP 4 @ - Allentown, PA - (610) 433 - 0503 _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES IN DETAIL: _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 20 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 880 - 1166 DUB TRIBE SOUND SYSTEM (202) 828 - 1984 direct from san francisco DUB TRIBE SOUND SYSTEM with dj's: scott henry micro jason jinx from the fever/buzz crew _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 20 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 523 - 1882 SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT * we saw the need to bring a weekly event to baltimore. a fully legal location, the best selection of dj's and a good vibe... we found the solution. SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT EVERY FRIDAY journey into the next level NEW LOCATION * FREE PARKING Resident DJ: Who guest DJs may 20: dmitry wink on-e 10pm - 5am $6 before 11pm, $8 after directions: BALTIMORE-camden yards to russel st bridge and make a right onto BAYARD ST. (just before the shell gas station) continue on BAYARD ST and spiritual movement will be on the right. (building with black garage door). DC-take the BW Parkway north to baltimore. make a left onto BAYARD ST at the quality inn just after the shell station. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 20 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: Goodwill (Zenith, Delaware) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 20 ASBURY PARK, NJ (908) 502 - 0660 THE AWAKENING DP Productions presents... A W A K E N I N G Friday, May 20 In the Main Sound Chamber: ADAM X - Groove Records, Brooklyn JAMES CHRISTIAN - Limelight, NYC MICRO - Caffeine, Long Island DAVE TRANCE - Caffeine, Long Island MARS - Oral, NJ GLEN GARCIA - Oral, NJ SAL V. - Oral, NJ Downstairs in Deeper Love: NIGEL RICHARDS - 611 Records, Philly SPIKE - Planet X Music, NJ JEFF MANHEIMER - WHTG 106.3 FM, NJ B:RAD - Vinyl, NJ BLACKOUT - Blondies, NJ JAH-RED - Blondies, NJ Mind expanding lighting and visuals by TDL EFFECTS [lighting crew for Nine Inch Nails last tour] 25K of bloody deep sound by BACKWARD AUDIO Smart Bar by LIQUID TECHNOLOGY Tribal Drumming Circle Admission: $10 in advanced, $12 at the door Doors open at 9pm, close late 24 hour info and directions: 908.502.0660 After hours by the ORAL POSSE [ If you spin after hours sort of music, e-mail me and I will get you set up to spin for this party! - Mars ] TICKET LOCATIONS: Planet X Music - New Brunswick, NJ 908.249.0304 Vintage Vinyl - Eatontown, NJ 908.517.0990 611 Records - Philly, PA 215.413.9100 Groove Records - Brooklyn, NY 718.714.5232 PROMO & BUS TRIPS: Outer Space - NJ - 908.506.9592 Angel Asylum - NJ - 908.972.6270 J-Fresh - NJ - 908.493.0172 Digital Deviants - NJ - 908.287.8795 Zoom - Allentown - 215.998.9650 T.H.C. Prod. - Philly - 215.923.4339 Alan Sanctuary - Manhattan - 212.696.8938 Kort & Greg - Long Island - 516.547.7118 Island Vibe - Long Island - 516.476.2520 United Techno - Conn. - 203.646.6381 DanFreeLove - D.C. - 202.973.2109 TranceFused - Richmond - 804.768.2000 [ If you're interested in promoting or running a bus trip e-mail Mars at: a176@lehigh.edu We especially need help in Upstate NY, the Boston area, and further west into Pittsburg and Ohio. THANX! ] This party is going to be sooooo phat, you have to come out for it!!!! Hope to see many net ravers! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 21 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 734 - 8458 REFILL The FOOD GROUP presents REFiLL Saturday, May 21st 9:00pm-2:00am $5 at door 24hr infoline: (412) 734-8458 THE FOOD GROUP would like to thank everyone that came out to WARM MiLK and made it so phat. We will be providing more delicious grooves and oh-so-tasty vibes on the 21st of May in the same space. A third party is in the works, which will be an all-nighter. In order to make better parties, please come out and support the Pittsburgh Underground...together we can levitate the spirits... SPINNING: FiNGER (trance/acid- Pittsburgh) TERRY KICKS (house/underground disco- Pittsburgh) G-WIZ (acidic breakcore/house- Baltimore, MD) For all of those who came out to Warm Milk, keep in mind that THERE WILL BE NO ANNOYING FLOOR TILES!! YAY! :) PEACE OUT, HANNiBAL@THE FOOD GROUP _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 21 ALLENTOWN, PA (???) ??? - ???? MYSTERY MACHINE mystery machine may 21, 1994 24 n. 10th st allentown, pa 10p -8a $15 admission $17 after 12p no alcohol, drugs, weapons scott henry - fever/buzz heather heart - nyc nigel richards - philadelphia geoffe - the freightyard trope - dmc records/nyc dave trance - nyc miko - the freightyard mark merkel - stonewall damon wilde - syne wave records dieselBoy - your worst nightmare info lines: 610.766.4140 610.770.0473/tim 610.437.9789/jeremy free smart drink with a flyer _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 27 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 523 - 1882 SPIRITUAL MOVEMENT * guest DJs: casper pound - u.k. db sameer feelgood _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 27 RHODE ISLAND (401) 455 - 2104 CARPE DIEM Fred Strong and Home Planet Multimedia present: CARPE DIEM A gateway to the here and now Frankie Bones Jason Jinx Adam X M-Gee DN-E Tiga Osheen Live performance by EBN and Funky Alien (of Colossal Amoeba) 10 watt multicolor argon laser and... 401-455-2104 Friday May 27 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 28 NEW YORK CITY (212) 592 - 3687 MAGIC Uptown Underground presents: MAGIC Watch us cast our hardcore spells May 28, 1994 Our sorcerers of sound: Abraxis Frankie Bones Rob G K-5 Adam X Narotic Future Funk Jimmy Crash Chris the Creator Dave Trance Einstein We've called upon these WIZARDS to cast you into Eternal Bliss. 100% Hardcore * 200% Underground * 300% Magical Uptown Underground Hotline ... For tickets and Info. 212-592-3687 Bruckner Records and Tapes ... Bronx. 718-823-8899 Groove Records ... Brooklyn. 718-714-5232 No ticket purchase at door. No admission without ticket. Tickets: $15 Only 1000 tickets will be sold for this event. Event starts 11 PM till... Nuff Respect to: The whole underground scene for making Cybertek the second best rave of 93.. Joint Ventures, Mental Unity, Back to Basics, Eddie Van Raven, Grrove Records, Bruckner Records, Alana Sanctuary, CAN, TWR, Curious George, David Dose, Under One Sky, Dawn, Germaine, Nicole, AG, SPank and Future Funk, and the fellas around the way. Remember, Always keep the scene deep down underground. Post Hypnotic Suggestion ... Cybertek II, SUN _______________________________________________________________________________ Thursday, June 2 CHESAPEAKE BAY, MD (410) 880 - 7031 RAVE THE BAY ultraworld@aol.com RAVE THE BAY (YAY!) THURSDAY JUNE 2, 1994 FROM 11 p.m. - 7 a.m. ULTRAWORLD PRESENTS AN 8 HOUR BOAT CRUISE ON THE CHESAPEAKE BAY ON THE BAY LADY WHICH DOCKS AT THE LIGHT ST. PAVILLION AT THE BALTIMORE INNER HARBOR. WE WILL BE LEAVING FROM THE BALTIMORE INNER HARBOR, SAILING TO ANNAPOLIS AND BACK AGAIN. THERE WILL THREE DECKS OF MUSIC- ON DECK ONE- ON DECK TWO- ON DECK THREE (OPEN SKY) ON-E SCOTT HENRY L.G. WINK JASON JINX WASH M GEE DJ SUN MOSES WHO ALVARO BOBBLE and----> DIESELBOY <---- can you believe it? VISUAL STIMULATION BY DOUBLE HELIX (seth the boy wonder) THE OFFICIAL TICKETS WILL BE AVAILABLE AT MODERN MUSIC'S PARTY ON APRIL 30th. THEY WILL BE $35 AND WE WILL HAVE A BOOTH SET UP THERE WITH THE FLIERS AND TICKETS. OR CALL 410.880.7031 TO ARRANGE FOR TICKET PURCHASE. ONLY 450 TICKETS WILL BE SOLD, SO GET YOUR TICKET AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OR YOU MAY MISS THE BOAT! DUE TO BOAT REGULATIONS NO FOOD OR DRINKS MAY BE BROUGHT ON BOARD, BUT THERE WILL BE WATER, SODAS, JUICES AND FOOD SOLD ON BOARD AT GOOD PRICES (this is boat rules and they get all the money, sorry bout that) YOU CAN PARK AT THE GARAGE ACROSS FROM THE LIGHT ST PAVILLION AT HARBORPLACE AT A DISCOUNTED RATE. BESIDES A NIGHT WE'LL NEVER FORGET, EVERYONE WHO GOES ON THE TRIP WILL RECEIVE A FEW "RAVE THE BAY" BUMPER STICKERS. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH TO BUY YOUR TICKET ASAP. WE ARE RESERVING SPOTS FOR NO ONE! (seriously) - lonnie _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, June 3 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: Stress (Thunderground) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 4 BROOKLYN, NY (212) 631 - 1065 GALAXY 2000 (718) 714 - 5232 Brooklyn's combined forces present the goods GALAXY 2000 leaving earth: *Saturday June 4, 1994* Trancecore DJ's: Frankie Bones Jimmy Crash Heather Heart James Christian Adam X Carlos Tera Dave Trance K-5 plus guests and a separate chill-zone... *free toys and 20K of pounding noise* Respects Due: Storm, S.U.N., STOP, Spice, F.B.I., Motion Posse (LI), Mental Unity INFO PHONES: 212-631-1065, 718-714-5232 Prepare to blast off this June! *Brooklyn's True Underground Returns* And to the blanket posse, stay the fuck home! _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, June 10 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: REESE (Astralwerks) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 11 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 741 - 1573 SYNOVIAL FLUID F U E L Presents (Future Underground Entertainment Limited) SYNOVIAL FLUID DJ's Scheduled: Deadly Buda (Millineum, Pittsburgh) dieselBoy(Recycled,Pittsburgh) Geoff e (Freightyard,Allentown) X-on(FUEL,Pittsburgh) G-Wiz(Baltimore) Terry Kicks(Millennium,Pittsburgh) FiNGER(Food Group,Pittsburgh) Speed Demon(DC) Live PA by 1.8.7. Features: Smart Bar by Nrgetics Fruit Bar 55,000 sq ft of Secured Space 50,000 Watt Sound System Intelligent Lighting by Apple(Baltimore) Time 10:00pm - 10am Tix $8(Advance) $10(Door) Tix available at: Modern Music(410)523-1882/ Planet X(908)249-0304 611 (215)413-9100/Groove(718)714-5232 InfoLine (412)741-1573 Internet Address: dwgv07c@prodigy.com _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 11 POUGHKEEPSIE, NY (212) 465 - 3299 SPUTNIK IV netmag@aol.com SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS ******************************* SPUTNIK IV SATURDAY JUNE, 11 ********** DJ LINEUP ************* SVEN VAN HEES & REMY UNGER (Global Cuts/R&S Records Belgium) LUKE SLATER (GPR Recordings/U.K.) DJ EFX AND DJ DIGIT (3RD Floor Prod./San Francisco) DERRICK CARTER (Organico Records/Chicago) DJ DUKE (ffrr Records/NYC) FRANKIE BONES (Groove Records/Brooklyn) KEOKI (Moonshine Music/NYC) JOHN ACQUAVIVA (+8 Records/Detroit/Toronto) WINK (Ovum/Philadelphia) SCOTT HENRY (Fever/Baltimore/D.C.) ABRAXAS (Fierce Ruling Diva/Holland/NYC) TIGA (DNA/Montreal) MR KLEEN (Satellite/NET/NYC) SCOTT RICHMOND (Satellite/NET/NYC) MGEE (Primary Productions/Boston) ENTITY (Ultraworld/Baltimore) <<<<<>>>>> (Industrial Strength Recording Artists) ****************************************************** ***LIGHTING*** APOLLO ***FULL COLOR AND ARGON LAZERS*** LAZER REFLECTIONS *** VISUALS***: FACTORY (Orlando, FL), MELON DEZIGN (Philadelphia, PA), I-STRAIN (Miami, FL), TERMINAL THREE DEE (Knocksville, TN) 2 SEPARATE DANCE FLOORS IN TWO ROOMS ***LOCATION*** MID HUDSON CIVIC CENTER POUGHKEEPSIE,NY (fully airconditioned-Seating provided) ***TICKET LOCATIONS*** Brooklyn: Groove 718-714-5232 / Manhattan.: Subtopia 212-431-6718 / S.I.: E.C.B. 718-448-8207 / Providence: Luna Sea 401-272-luna / Phili: 611 Records 215-413-9100 / Poughkeepsie: U.N. 914-256-0445 / White Plains: Mad Grill 914-683-9378 / D.C.: Music Now 202-638-3272 / Baltimore: Modern Music 410-523-1882 / Boston Beat 617-561-4790 / New Paltz: Jacks Rythms 914-255-1082 / Albany: Music Shack 518-436-4581 / New Brunswick: Planet X 908-249-0304 / L.I.: DJ Records 516-667-1112 / Toronto: X static 416-599-3851 / Montreal: Juan & Juanita 514-847-2292 TICKETS ON SALE THROUGH JUNE 10th---DAY OF EVENT TICKETS AVAILABLE AT DOOR $18 in advance $20 at the door ***PROMOTION AND BUSES*** <> KC and the Sunrise Gang 207-773-6979 / Raving Maniacs 207-942-0287 <> Dannyboy 617-881-3797 / Primary 617-499-7765 / Framingham: Vibe Tribe 508-877-0790 <> Hartford: United Techno 203-646-6381 / Stamford: Atom Warped 203-454-6643 <> Sugarbear 401-454-6078 / Oracle 401-454-6002 <> Satellite 212-465-3299 / Alan Sanctuary and the Primal Posse 212-696-8938 / Trust Invention 212-631-3533 / Brooklyn: Curios George 718-644-9043 / S.I.: FBI 718-390-7107 / Scooter 212-479-7760 / Poughkeepsie:Up North 914-256-0445 / Westchester:Eponymous 914-941-7569 / Albany: Big Dipper 518-465-6381 / Birth 518-43-Birth / L.I.: Island Vibe Nassau: 516-292-0649 / Suffolk: 516-476-1194 / Syracuse: Kilowatts/Chameleon 315-475-8239 <> Mars 908-506-9592 / E-Force 201-295-1925 / Zinzee 908-938-9633 / <> 611 Records 215-413-9100 / T.H.C. 215-586-0939 / Allentown: Geoffe 610-758-9969 / New Cumberland: Click 717-770-0241 / <>Zenith 302-764-9272 <> Ultraworld 410-880-7031 <> D.C.:Rob Rave/Bohemia 202-338-5638 / Teri & Sean 202-466-1661 / Deanna 202-452-7639 <> Transfused 804-768-2000 / Vikki 804-625-2880 <> Cincinnati: Bob-a-dob 513-648-9467 / Cleveland: Funky Alien Gizmo 216-238-1451 / Doodle Bug 614-597-7551 <> Those Meddling Kids 606-281-4193 <> Drop Bass Network 414-777-3998 <> Lexington: Bluegrass 606-281-4193 / Knoxville: Dweeze 615-524-2448 / Nashville: B.A.M. 615-780-3730 <> Atlanta: Chamber of Dreams 404-250-8230 <> Rainbow 919-512-2953 / Barron 910-334-1546 <>The Alternative Record Store 813-977-6383 <> Montreal:DNA 514-854-6446 / Harmony 514-982-9010 / Toronto:X-static (Alan) 416-599-3851 ======================== ASTRALWERKS AFTERHOURS ======================== OSHEEN,DJ REESE,DAVE TRANCE,TROPOSPHERE,DJ SPROUT,RYDE LOCATION:Hudson Valley Skate Park, Newburgh, NY Free to sputnik ticket holders or with afterhours flyer. Breakfast will be served. Directions will be made available in coming weeks. ***FOR ANY OTHER INFO CALL*** SATELLITE PRODUCTIONS (212)465-3299 E-Mail NETMAG@AOL.COM _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, June 17 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 MINIWARP @ w/ DJs REMY UNGER AND SVEN VAN HEES (Global Cuts/R&S/Belgium) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 18 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 DEEPER * Guest DJ: DJ PEER (Birmingham, UK/Obsession/member of D:Ream) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 18 CLEVELAND, OH (216) 238 - 1451 TERRA-X Through the long cold winter Funky Alien Gizmos have been putting togehter an event that should prove to be the HOTTEST night in Cleveland,OH thus far Funky Alien Gizmos present Terra-X "The Arrival" Controlling the Masses Rob Black Dave Trance Micro Cleveland Caffeine-L.I. Caffeine-L.I. Boomer Sun Tony Garcia Omegeman-Definitive Records Ultraworld-Baltimore Chicago Dieselboy Wink Dreamer Pittsburgh Sorted-Philly Cleveland-Funky Alien Doors open at 10pm Lighting by Pandemonium Tickets $10 adv, $12 day of [net people will tickets for $8 if they mail] [me their address by may 13th {i'm leaving} ] [in your mail put your name and email addres] This event will take place in an all new 10,000sq ft venue in downtown cleveland and is fully permitted. Smartbar by: NRGETICS Ticket and bus trip info later next week _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, June 24 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: Dave Trance (Caffeine) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 25 UPSTATE MARYLAND (410) 523 - 1882 NATURAL RHYTHM Spiritual Movement "Natural Rhythem" June 25-26 in up state Maryland Line-up to include: Scott & Robbie Hardkiss Dante Micro Dave Trance Ryde Who Scott Henry Frankie Bones Jason Jinx Lieven Degeyndt 333 Wink Mgee Feelgood On-E Sun and more to be announced........ swimming pools, tennis, vollyball, basketball, and loads of outdoor fun!! info CALL 410-523-1882 to be held in the Baltimore area. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 25 UPSTATE NEW YORK (518) 432 - 4784 BIRTH kumquat@acs.bu.edu Space Productions presents: B I R T H Big Dipper, Gearhead, the Mission Crew, and Space Productions are all working together for the first time to bring you BIRTH: CONCEPTION: We have all wanted this for a long time. Remember Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect? THIS *IS* THE NEXT STEP. It's time for all musical tribes to come together in a way like never before. on JUNE 25, 1994..... WE UNITE IN A NEW RHYTHM. In a large, legal, UNIQUE outdoor location that is central to the ENTIRE northeast. this will bring people from *all* facets of the musical community. By not limiting ourselves to one genre we allow ourselves to experience the beauty that each genre offers. we seek to integrate members from communityies that would not usually get to experience a rave, but that hold similar ideals of PLUR. By adding a human, live aspect to this event (in a LARGE capaciity) we hope to create a more interactive atmosphere for the attendees. *we are seeking persons who wish to help the idea: percussionists, drummers, drum circles, African, Latin, Native American, Asain........tribal dj's, cutting edge live experimental music & dance, food services, Promoters, Ideas, and suggestions are welcome and invited. once again: 518.43.BIRTH & kumquat@acs.bu.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, July 1 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 FATHOM * Guest DJ: MICRO (Caffeine) @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, July 2 BALTIMORE, MD ultraworld@aol.com GLOW [date is still tentative] the Reaction Chamber the Phat room DJ SUN OSHEEN SCOTT HENRY F I L ASTROBOY TERRY MULLEN DAVID J + 2 MORE T.B.A. GREG SEARGENT + 2 MORE T.B.A. the COOLANT AREA ENTITY \ ____ LIVE AMBIENT WORDMOSES / + 2 MORE T.B.A. the GOODIES: 10 WATT LASER INTELLIBEAMS IN ONE ARENA GOLDSCANS IN THE OTHER + MORE COOL LIGHTING SYNCHRO-ENERGIZE MIND MACHINES SMART BAR LIVE VISUALS BY DOUBLE HELIX COMPUTER GRAPHICS PROJECTIONS SERIOUS BLACK LIGHTING (get yer clothes ready!) 1000 FREE GLOWSTICKS (multi-colored army issue!) FREE AFTER PARTY from 9 am - 2 pm 2000 of your closest friends. [we have a spot with a 5 acre field, and a 17 acre parking lot. if all goes as planned we are going to drop in three circus tents (already reserved) one able to hold 1500 people and two which can hold 1000 people. the large tent has a 48' ceiling height! plus there will be a central area in the middle for all the merchants, smart bars, rides, etc... we are getting the city of baltimore involved to some degree. i have talked with the mayor's office and they want to specifically register voters 18 - 25 this year (which is an election year), so they are going to set up a booth. also from the mayor's office, they may set up a drug information booth, which besides giving info away about drug use and abuse will be specifically geared towards furthering the mayor's belief that drugs should be decriminalized! i'm also trying to get a meeting with the entire city council to make them see the benefits of making baltimore "the city that raves", and how they can make it easier on us to get locations. i don't know if they'll go for it, but i know we've got one city councilman who has allowed us to give his name as a reference to anyone we contact about raves. it seems a little counter underground to approach the city in this way, but i have only one motive, and that is to make it so that we can do what we all love to do without all the hassle that so often accompanies the bigger events. plus, when you think about it, this country's government was started by a bunch of underground radicals, and i think there's still the possibility of that radical thought within the current gov. -lonnie] _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, July 23 NEW YORK CITY (516) 547 - 6129 PLANET EARTH Essence presents... P L A N E T E A R T H Saturday July 23, 1994 (516)547-6129 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, July 29 ALLENTOWN, PA (610) 433 - 0503 TIMEWARP 4 @ TIMEWARP 4: The Splashdown - Already confirmed: JOEY BELTRAM, KEOKI, SCOTT HENRY. More T.B.A. @ the Freight Yard _______________________________________________________________________________ NE-RAVES SUBSCRIPTION AND OTHER INFORMATION: To subscribe to the calendar-only list: mail majordomo@techno.stanford.edu, "sub ne-raves-cal" To subscribe to the discussion list: mail ne-raves-request@umdd.umd.edu, "sub discuss" To unsubscribe from the calendar-only list: mail majordomo@techno.stanford.edu, "unsub ne-raves-cal" To unsubscribe from the discussion list: mail ne-raves-request@umdd.umd.edu, "unsub discuss" ALL SUBSCRIPTION PROBLEMS, mail the list admin at anarchy@glue.umd.edu. To access "v-rave", a rave-oriented real-time chat system: telnet techno.stanford.edu 7283 or telnet techno.stanford.edu 6000 (try only if 7283 does not respond) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- END OF FILE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "loops of funk over hardcore beats" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:03:05 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Waaaaa, I Wanna Go To This.... This just came down the UK-Dance pike about Warp's new release party: > May 30th : (THE BIG ONE !) AI II released, featuring Mark Franklin, HIA, > B12, Autechre, Speedy J, Beaumont Hannant, Richard Kirk, Balil, > Seefeel, Darrel Fitton, Polygon Window, Link > Ltd edition 12" with vinyl, gold CD with extra tracks & secret > track Waaaaa, I wanna be there - man, if this were only half as good as the artist list seems it would be fan fucking tastic :) Oh well, at least there's another Artificial Intelligence sampler coming out - I gave my copy of the first one to James 'cos I've gone out and bought all the albums it sampled :) Gee, who said WARP uses subliminals in there samplers???? :) Grant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Grant's Apothecary - where your pleasure is *our* business... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 08:14:00 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Michael Francois (SHA)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Michael Francois (SHA)" Subject: Re: Rave the Bay In-Reply-To: <199405180059.UAA16323@holmes.umd.edu> >sorry to space.. > >but, when and where is rave the bay again? > > >>>taylor > Taylor, No problem! Rave the Bay is on Thursday, June 2, 1994. The Ship leaves Baltimore's Inner Harbor, cruises the Chesapeake Bay to Annapolis, then makes the return trip. I think everyone is gathering at 10:00 pm. Peace, Myg ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 15:26:27 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JTTZOU@AMHERST.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: UNSUB DISCUSS Please unsubscribe me. Thanks! :) -Zooey ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 18:22:29 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Matt Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: Resent-From: Matt Comments: Originally-From: "Davis J. Bassan" <74147.1203@CompuServe.COM> From: Matt Subject: Scotched 94 Hey, this is happening back home in Nashville, Tennessee, and in my opinion will be the first real rave to happen there. In the past Nashville's scene has only consisted of Nashville, with little or no outside influences, but things are obviously changing! Peace Matt DJ Fresh Blend ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Scotched, The upcoming event on July 16, 1994 is a temporary climax in rave history. We'll celebrate Scotched in Nashville, TN at the Municipal Auditorium, the largest covered area in TN (142 000 sq ft). Scotched stands true to its principle and will produce the most radical, kicking and optimal underground music program available. Scotched is the meeting of the international Techno community with Ravers traveling hundreds (some, even thousands) of miles to party together. For those Ravers, we guarantee in every respect, the optimum party available today. Scotched will offer the most powerful line up, the biggest sound systems and a gigantic installation of laser and intelligent lighting. More than a rave, Scotched is a synthesis of the Arts. Be there. Sound system provided by Concert Productions. Lighting system provided by Maxximum Sound and Lights. Video System provided by Terminal ID Productions with Dweez and Term DJ's : (as of April 18th) Hyperactive (Chicago, Ill) Bryan M (Los Angeles, CA) Sean (Knoxville, TN) David Holland (Muncie, IN) French E (Paris, France) Guy DMC (NY, NY, DMC records) Chip B (Nashville, TN) featuring Marco Diesel Boy (Pittsburg, Penn) Thome Tomato (Louisville, KY) Terry Mullan (St Louis) Live performance by Cosmic Baby (Berlin, Germany) Vendors (not limited to): Info Line #s : J Squared 614.265.8977 Columbus, Ohio bOink Clothing 615.259.2220 Nashville, TN Bonlupa Organic Clothiers 416.462.7594 Toronto, Canada Spiderman 615.524.2448 Knoxville, TN 615.954.2313 Chattanooga, TN 606.281.4193 Lexington, KY 502.569.1969 Louisville, KY E-mail : 74147.1203@compuserve.com. Thanks to : JJ, Waldo, Alex E, Cruel "Slave" Dave, Jeff @ Bandit Lites, Grant O'Connor @ Versatruss, Brad Campbell @ TAS/Coemar/Outline, MW-Ravers, This is all the info for right now...... Hope you get this message... French EEE ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 18:49:24 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Douglas Zimmerman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Douglas Zimmerman Subject: Re: I need to get rid of this amp ASAP!!!! In-Reply-To: <9404292236.AA05619@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu>; from "John C Avery II" at Apr 29, 94 6:37 pm John, if you still have the amp i might be interested. how much are you selling it for? doug ) ( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 19:07:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: realtySHIFT Sat, 5:21:94 NASA Presents REALITY SHIFT 5:21:94 DUBTRIBE SOUNDSYSTEM LIVE CASPER POUND (RISING HIGH COLLECTIVE UK) ADAM X (GROOVE DIRECT DRIVE) DB (NASA MISSION CONTROL) JASON JINX (NASA - NYC) KEOKI (DISCO 2000) JOSH WINK (SORTED:R&S:LIMBO) PSYCHOCYBERADIENT LIGHT SHOW BY SCOTTO (Additional Programming by woof for Total Solutions) Live Internet Hook Up On SF-RAVES [if its up :)} IRC [If it isn't] To sign up to jack in mail woof@Panix.com for Cybernaut guest list. BRAND NEW SOUND SYSTEM IN AN ACOUSTICALLY PHAT VINTAGE BALLROOM Manhattan Center Studios 311 W34th Street NYC Tix @ Liquid Sky 212-343-0534 8 Ball Records 212-473-6343 Planet X 908-249-0304 E.C.D. 718-816-6826 Win A Free Pair Of Tix By Leaving Your Name On..... The NASA Info Line 212-330-8233 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 19:07:20 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Live Internet @ realitySHIFT 5:21:94 We will be live @ realitySHIFT. To join us in cyberravespace telnet to: sfraves.stanford.edu 7283 or sfraves.stanford.edu 6000 If you will be there with your wetware mail me for info on joining the crew guest list. woof ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:24:44 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Erm, some Ozzie Type Assistance Hey Gang, A friend of mine from Australia just watched "Untouchables" and was wondering if there is a "RACINE" street in Chicago. I wouldn't have a clue having never seen the movie OR been to Chicago ( yet :) so I was wondering if anyone out here could possibly assist. Thanks folks, Grant Most Quoted Oz-Raver Line In History: "we are not conforming to the social ideal of non conformity" - VicZ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:33:09 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJEntox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJEntox@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Waaaaa, I Wanna Go T... On 5-18-94 Grant cried: >Waaaaa, I wanna be there - man, if this were only half as good as >the artist >list seems it would be fan fucking tastic :) Yeah, I know.. . everything good seems to be happening where I'm not!!!! Especially the 3 day dance fest in Cornwall that has damn near EVERY DJ and live act from Europe and the US! If you ever get to see the line up list, prepare to salivate profusely and start wishing you lived in Cornwall. I hear they'll be taking over the beach and most of the town for this one. And of course, while I'm on the subject of big raves, I have to mention Germany's Love Parade (or is it in Switzerland? I can't remember) which 40-50,000 people are expected to show up (well, it will be a parade...) oh well, I do get to go to Sputnik 4 though!! I hope to seee you all there! Peace DJ Entox =) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:02:26 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Sheri Hendrickson Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Sheri Hendrickson Subject: Re: Erm, some Ozzie Type Assistance if there is a "RACINE" street in Chicago. Yes, there is. I wouldn't have a clue having never seen the movie OR been to Chicago ( yet :) so I was wondering if anyone out here could possibly assist. I haven't seen the movie, but I have driven around on "Racine" St. Sincerely, A native Mpls person who makes bi-monthy trips to Chicago ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 20:36:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: (JUST A JOKE!) Re: gotta have house > > ____ ____ > |oooo| |oooo| > |oooo| .----. |oooo| > |Oooo|/\_||_/\|oooO| > `----' / __ \ `----' > ,/ |#|/\/__\/\|#| \, > / \|#|| |/\| ||#|/ \ > / \_/|_|| |/\| ||_|\_/ \ > |_\/ o\=----=/o \/_| <--- Hardcore Jungle Music > <_> |=\__/=| <_> > <_> |--23--| <_> > | | ___|======|___ | | > //\\ / |O|======|O| \ //\\ + + > | | | |O+------+O| | | | daniel k. taylor > |\/| \_+/ \+_/ |\/| st1pk@jetson.uh.edu > \__/ _||| |||_ \__/ + + > | || || | > [==|] [|==] > [===] [===] > >_< >_< > || || || || > || || || || > || || || || > __|\_/|__ __|\_/|__ > /___n_n___\ /___n_n___\ > > ______ > ______//__][_\__ > /o _ | -| _ \ <--- House Music > `-(_)-------(_)---' > > *hehehe* peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa **big phat bass soaked beats** vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 01:49:31 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: Waaaaa, I Wanna Go T... In-Reply-To: <199405190333.XAA29489@holmes.umd.edu> On Wed, 18 May 1994 DJEntox@AOL.COM wrote: > course, while I'm on the subject of big raves, I have to mention Germany's > Love Parade (or is it in Switzerland? I can't remember) which 40-50,000 > people are expected to show up (well, it will be a parade...) its in berlin, germany. there's cool photos and an article on it in issue 16 of teh british mag Eternity. looks like a whole lot of fun. as does sputnik 4. how about a picnic that's closer to the sight, for us people north of nyc? anyone in fitchberg, or whereever its supposed to be? chris .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- `.; / ~. OO: ......sQuiShy Designs....... .' ;-- `.o.' email: squishy@world.std.com we think we're people ,' ; ~~--'~ ftp: ftp.std.com /pub/cmellow , ; ; ftp: amt.mit.edu /pub/jshiple _\\;_\\//_________ fingerforPGPpubkey ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 02:55:16 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Francis L Sibilla Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: Re: Waaaaa, I Wanna Go T... In-Reply-To: <199405190333.XAA29489@holmes.umd.edu> On Wed, 18 May 1994 DJEntox@AOL.COM wrote: > Yeah, I know.. . everything good seems to be happening where I'm not!!!! > Especially the 3 day dance fest in Cornwall that has damn near EVERY DJ and > live act from Europe and the US! If you ever get to see the line up list, > prepare to salivate profusely and start wishing you lived in Cornwall. I hear > they'll be taking over the beach and most of the town for this one. And of > course, while I'm on the subject of big raves, I have to mention Germany's > Love Parade (or is it in Switzerland? I can't remember) which 40-50,000 > people are expected to show up (well, it will be a parade...) > [rest deleted] Do you know when any of these events are - especially the corwall event? I'll be in London starting June 27th till the end of August (And Dubtribe will be there too for 4 weekends in late July - a little piece of SF in London!) and I'd like to see what england has to offer first hand. I'll probably be on the continent for about a month after that - Does anyone know when the next mayday will be in Germany? or any of the other events mentioned above. Thanks Fran ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 03:14:44 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , cte9q@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: XtoFer ForPres! Subject: Re: Erm, some Ozzie Type Assistance >Racine street? Yeah there is...but what a strange question. XtoFer ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 06:35:43 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , AMWALCZA@INDYVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Amy M. Walczak" Subject: Re: Erm, some Ozzie Type Assistance there sure is a racine... the story i could tell you about that.. ;) (big potholes... big potholes) piglet* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 09:53:31 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Subject: 1000....needs ride to galaxy 2000... hello, gotta make tis short and sweet... i will be able to catch a flight to NYC to go to Galaxy 2000 on the 4th of June... i will need a ride to the rave from one of the following locations... West 111th Street and Broadway or... West 106th street and broadway... if anyone will offer me the ride, i wil gladly pitch in for any andall expenses thank you very much..... please respond to me privately, or gimme acall 607.936.0221 (home) not here much 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 13:41:33 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Vanessa Wang Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Vanessa Wang Subject: internet fees (not rave/music related) I don't know if someone already posted this to the lists, but I thought it couldn't hurt to repost it. Please skip and delete if you have already seen this message regarding the NSF charging a fee for Internet use. *wfs* Jetta. > ___________________________ > FORWARDED MESSAGE FOLLOWS: > > Subject: Metered Usage of the Internet: JSN > > Please forgive the mass mailing, but I feel this is a subject > which is of great importance to anyone who benefits from the > bountiful resources of the Internet. > > A very bad storm is brooding on the horizon. > > In the future, you might have to pay a charge for every E-mail > message you send or receive, every Usenet article you read, > every kilobyte of data you transfer with ftp, every hypertext > link you follow with NCSA Mosaic or Gopher... > > Hopefully this frightens you as much as it does me. > But it will happen, unless YOU do something about it. > > Please read the attached, fill out the requested info, and > mail it back to mike@essential.org. It also wouldn't hurt to > forward a copy of this to everyone you know on the Internet. > > Thanks for your support. > > Craig Smith, > Texas A&M University, Dept. of Computer Science > 205 HRBB, 862-2084 (CPSC). [PGP2 Public Key Available on Request] > --- > > TAXPAYER ASSETS PROJECT - INFORMATION POLICY NOTE > May 7, 1994 > > - Request for signatures for a letter to NSF opposing metered > pricing of Internet usage > > - Please repost this request freely > > The letter will be sent to Steve Wolff, the Director of > Networking and Communications for NSF. The purpose of the letter > is to express a number of user concerns about the future of > Internet pricing. NSF recently announced that is awarding five > key contracts to telephone companies to operate four Internet > "Network Access Points" (NAPs), and an NSF funded very high speed > backbone (vBNS). There have been a number of indications that > the telephone companies operating the NAPs will seek permission > from NSF to price NAPs services according to some measure of > Internet usage. The vBNS is expected to act as a testbed for new > Internet pricing and accounting schemes. The letter expresses > the view that metered pricing of Internet usage should be > avoided, and that NSF should ensure that the free flow of > information through Internet listserves and file server sites is > preserved and enhanced. > > Jamie Love, Taxpayer Assets Project (love@essential.org; but > unable to answer mail until May 15). Until then, direct > inquires to Michael Ward. > > If you are willing to sign the letter, send the following > information to Mike Ward of the Taxpayer Assets Project > (mike@essential.org, fax: 202/234-5176; voice: 202/387-8030; > P.O. Box 19367, Washington, DC 20036): > > Names: ___________________________ > Title: ___________________________ (Optional) > Affiliation: ____________________________________ > (for purposes of identification only) > Address: ______________________________________ > City; St, Zip ________________________________ > Email Address: _____________________________________ > Voice: __________________________________ > for verification) > > The letter follows: > > Steve Wolff > Director > Division of Networking and Communications > National Science Foundation > 1800 G Street > Washington, DC 20550 > > Dear Steve: > > It is our understanding that the National Science Foundation > (NSF) and other federal agencies are developing a new > architecture for the Internet that will utilize four new Network > Access Points (NAPs), which have been described as the new > "cloverleaves" for the Internet. You have indicated that NSF is > awarding contracts for four NAPs, which will be operated by > telephone companies (Pac Bell, S.F.; Ameritech, Chicago; Sprint, > NY; and MFS, Washington, DC). We further understand that NSF has > selected MCI to operate its new very high speed backbone (vBNS) > facility. > > There is broad public interest in the outcome of the negotiations > between NSF and the companies that will operate the NAPs and > vBNS. We are writing to ask that NSF consider the following > objectives in its negotiations with these five firms: > > PRICING. > > We are concerned about the future pricing systems for Internet > access and usage. Many users pay fixed rates for Internet > connections, often based upon the bandwidth of the connection, > and do not pay for network usage, such as the transfer of data > using email, ftp, Gopher or Mosaic. It has been widely reported > on certain Internet discussion groups, such as com-priv, that the > operators of the NAPs are contemplating a system of usage based > pricing. > > We are very concerned about any movement toward usage based > pricing on the Internet, and we are particularly concerned about > the future of the Internet Listserves, which allow broad > democratic discourse on a wide range of issues. We believe that > the continued existence and enhancement of the Internet > discussion groups and distribution lists is so important that any > pricing scheme for the NAPs that would endanger or restrict their > use should be rejected by the NSF. > > It is important for NSF to recognize that the Internet is more > than a network for scientific researchers or commercial > transactions. It represents the most important new effort to > expand democracy into a wide range of human endeavors. The open > communication and the free flow of information have make > government and private organizations more accountable, and > allowed citizens to organize and debate the widest range of > matters. Federal policy should be directed at expanding public > access to the Internet, and it should reject efforts to introduce > pricing schemes for Internet usage that would mimic commercial > telephone networks or expensive private network services such as > MCI mail. > > To put this into perspective, NSF officials must consider how any > pricing mechanisms will change the economics of hosting an > Internet electronic mail discussion groups and distribution > lists. Many of these discussion groups and lists are very large, > such as Humanist, GIS-L, CNI-Copyright, PACS-L, CPSR-Announce or > Com-Priv. It is not unusual for a popular Internet discussion > group to have several thousand members, and send out more than > 100,000 email messages per day. These discussion groups and > distribution lists are the backbones of democratic discourse on > the Internet, and it is doubtful that they would survive if > metered pricing of electronic mail is introduced on the Internet. > > Usage based pricing would also introduce a wide range of problems > regarding the use of ftp, gopher and mosaic servers, since it > conceivable that the persons who provide "free" information on > servers would be asked to pay the costs of "sending" data to > persons who request data. This would vastly increase the costs > of operating a server site, and would likely eliminate many > sources of data now "published" for free. > > We are also concerned about the types of accounting mechanisms > which may be developed or deployed to facilitate usage based > pricing schemes., which raise a number of concerns about personal > privacy. Few Internet users are anxious to see a new system of > "surveillance" that will allow the government or private data > vendors to monitor and track individual usage of Information > obtained from Internet listserves or fileserves. > > ANTI-COMPETITIVE PRACTICES > > We are also concerned about the potential for anti- > competitive behavior by the firms that operate the NAPs. Since > 1991 there have been a number of criticisms of ANS pricing > practices, and concerns about issues such as price discrimination > or preferential treatment are likely to become more important as > the firms operating the NAPs become competitors of firms that > must connect to the NAPs. We are particularly concerned about > the announcements by PAC-Bell and Ameritech that they will enter > the retail market for Internet services, since both firms were > selected by NSF to operate NAPs. It is essential that the > contracts signed by NSF include the strongest possible measures > to insure that the operators of the NAPs do not unfairly > discriminate against unaffiliated companies. > > Recommendations: > > As the Internet moves from the realm of the research community to > a more vital part of the nation's information infrastructure, the > NSF must ensure that its decisions reflect the needs and values > of a much larger community. > > 1. The NSF contracts with the NAPs operators will include > clauses that determine how the NAP services will be priced. > It is important that NSF disclose and receive comment on all > pricing proposals before they become final. NSF should > create an online discussion list to facilitate public dialog > on the pricing proposals, and NSF should identify its > criteria for selecting a particular pricing mechanism, > addressing the issue of how the pricing system will impact > the Internet's role in facilitating democratic debate. > > 2. NSF should create a consumer advisory board which would > include a broad cross section of consumer interests, > including independent network service providers (NSPs), > publishers of Internet discussion groups and distribution > lists, academic networks, librarians, citizen groups and > individual users. This advisory board should review a > number of policy questions related to the operation of the > Internet, including questions such as the NAP pricing, NAP > operator disclosure of financial, technical and operational > data, systems of Internet accounting which are being tested > on the vBNS and other topics. > > 3. NSF should solicit public comment, though an online > discussion group, of the types of safeguards against > anticompetitive behavior by the NAPs which should be > addressed in the NSF/NAPs contracts, and on issues such as > NAPs pricing and Internet accounting systems. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > TAP-INFO is an Internet Distribution List provided by the Taxpayer > Assets Project (TAP). TAP was founded by Ralph Nader to monitor the > management of government property, including information systems and > data, government funded R&D, spectrum allocation and other government > assets. TAP-INFO reports on TAP activities relating to federal > information policy. tap-info is archived at ftp.cpsr.org; > gopher.cpsr.org and wais.cpsr.org > > Subscription requests to tap-info to listserver@essential.org with > the message: subscribe tap-info your name > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Taxpayer Assets Project; P.O. Box 19367, Washington, DC 20036 > v. 202/387-8030; f. 202/234-5176; internet: tap@essential.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ***************************************************************** > Gary M. Throop THROOPG@icarus.som.clarkson.edu > Clarkson University 315-268-3814 > Department of Management FAX: 315-268-3810 > Box 5790 > Potsdam, NY 13699 > > -- > > Alan Peevers, DSP Research Engineer > E-mu/Creative Technology Center > Scotts Valley, CA > tel: (408) 439-0305 > fax: (408) 439-0386 > > -- \ / I sound my barbaric yawp over the roofs of the world... \ / \/ \ /\ / Wear a smile and have friends. What do we live for if \ / \ / not to make the world less difficult for each other? \/ \/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 15:19:29 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Goldman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Goldman Subject: Re: Waaaaa, I Wanna Go T... Original Message(s): >MESSAGE from =NE-RAVES@UMDD.UMD.EDU 19-MAY-94 15:16 >From: DJEntox@AOL.COM >Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 23:33:09 EDT >Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , >Sender: NE Raves Discussion > >On 5-18-94 Grant cried: >>Waaaaa, I wanna be there - man, if this were only half as good as >the >artist >>list seems it would be fan fucking tastic :) > >Yeah, I know.. . everything good seems to be happening where I'm not!!!! >Especially the 3 day dance fest in Cornwall that has damn near EVERY DJ and >live act from Europe and the US! If you ever get to see the line up list, >prepare to salivate profusely and start wishing you lived in Cornwall. I hear >they'll be taking over the beach and most of the town for this one. And of >course, while I'm on the subject of big raves, I have to mention Germany's >Love Parade (or is it in Switzerland? I can't remember) which 40-50,000 >people are expected to show up (well, it will be a parade...) > >oh well, I do get to go to Sputnik 4 though!! I hope to seee you all there! > > > > >Peace >DJ Entox > >=) >--- When are these events in europe as I will be traveling there at some point this year...could you let us know? Thanks John G. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 17:49:21 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: NEAU Outdoor Outlaw Directions Hi everyone. This party is going to be great!! From all the people asking about it, we're expecting at least 50 people. Come on out and support your local underground scene!! Friday MAY 20th Stowe, MA (617) 424 - 7183 N.E.A.U. OUTLAW djm@progress.com N E A U 's first OUTDOOR OUTLAW of the SEASON DJ's: * Joel (Alien House/NEAU) * DJM (Space Lab/NEAU) * Spiderman (NEAU) * Chewbacca (NH) ... with Guest Dj from NYC... * Carlos Tera (Phoenix/B2B/Mental Unity) Time: 1am - Cost: $5 donation DIRECTIONS will be posted in a day or two. >From NH: Take 93 South to 495 South >From Boston: Take 90 West to 495 North >From points South of Boston: Take 495 North Take exit 27 (Bolton/Stow/117) off of 495. Take 117 E. 4-5 miles to Stow shopping ctr. After shopping ctr you'll see a cemetary on the left. Take an immediate right onto a dirt road. Take road straight to a stop sign. In front of you, you'll see a gate. go through the gate and follow that road down bearing right around the gravel piles then over a stream and then straight to the end of the gravel pits and park where you will see (and hear) us!! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 18:41:29 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Awakening directions I don't know if thes4e got here yet or not, so here goes again... Cybertribe: Here are the directions to Awakening happening this Friday night. The party is only a block from the ocean. I hope you can make it. Mars ----------------------- From NYC and Points North: Take the New Jersey Turnpike to exit 11 for the Garden State Parkway South. Follow the Parkway south just after the Asbury Park Toll Plaza. Take exit 102. Follow for approximately 3 miles to the Asbury Park Traffic Circle. Follow the signs for Asbury Park around the circle. This will put you on Asbury Ave. Follow this all the way to the beach, and you will have to make a left onto Ocean Ave. Go down four blocks to 4th Ave. Turn left there and go down one block. The party is in the third building on the right. From points west and south: Take the NJ Turnpike North to exit 7A for I-195. Take I-195 East to the Garden State Parkway north. Get off the Parkway at exit 100A which is Rt.66. Head east on Rt. 66 for approx. 3 miles to the Asbury Park traffic Circle. Follow the signs for Asbury Park around the circle. This will put you on Asbury Ave. Follow this all the way to the beach, and you will have to make a left onto Ocean Ave. Go down four blocks to 4th Ave. Turn left there and go down one block. The party is in the third building on the right. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 19:03:54 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: need help with a phone number i am trying to get in touch with debba (from new jersey, goes to trenton state, i believe) but i don't have a number where i can reach her, and i'm not sure if she uses her email account anymore. if someone can help me out i'd be very grateful thanks in advance, jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 19:11:06 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John C Avery II Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John C Avery II Subject: YOUR BEAT / DJ TRAX 12" UPDATE [5/24/94] *************** YOUR BEAT RECORDS / DJ TRAX 12" UPDATE 5/24/94 *************** *********************** "Reviews by DJ John Avery" ************************* ******************************************************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: The records reviewed in the UPDATE are received at least TWO weeks prior to the actual commercial copies the store can sell. Please be aware of this grace period when ordering. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I will be on vacation this weekend. This explains why I wanted to put out this abbreviated UPDATE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The majority of new 12"s reviewed in the UPDATE are available via mail order through Your Beat Records in Union City, NJ. If you are interested in ordering any of the following records, please contact Johnny or Ricky at YOUR BEAT RECORDS in one of the following ways and they will discuss with you the procedures for mail ordering. Readers can also send their wish lists of hard to find 12"s to the store. Your Beat Records 4608 Bergenline Avenue Union City, NJ 07087 Phone: 201-392-0089 Fax: 201-392-0185 Email: dj@pegasus.rutgers.edu jcavery2@pegasus.rutgers.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UpRiSinG ENTERTAINMENT GROUP: (morgan@wariat.org) A nice female vocaled house song with meaningful lyrics not often associated with house songs. Skip the "Extended Mix" and go straight for the "Ambient mix" which retains the soft keyboard arrangements and powerful vocals but gives the DJ the freedom to use his/her own percussion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LET'S GET ROWDY ENTERTAINMENT: "Pump The Bells"--Natural Attraction On this hip-hop single, go straight to the B-side for the Frank Paniccuci "Pump That Dub" mix which uses the opening guitar riffs from Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (anyone remember Ace The Space????) and an often-used but effective hip-hop breakbeat. Midway through the mix we get treated to some backwards vocal samples that make this hip-hop track very unique. Quantities are limited. For more information contact: 1-800-738-4395. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOP 12 12" ---------- 1.DAVID MORALES-IN DE GHETTO 2.JUST 2 BROS.-FRENZY DANCE 3.SMIF N WESSON-BUCKTOWN 4.CRYSTAL WATERS-100% PURE LOVE 5.KING JUST-WARRIOR'S DANCE 6.JERU-D. ORIGINAL 7.NAS- ILLMATIC (LP) 8.RIVER OCEAN feat. INDIA-TRIBAL EP (LOVE & HAPPINESS) 9.FRESH TUNES #1-DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN 10.MK feat ALANA- ALWAYS REMIX 11.CUTTY RANKS-LIMB BY LIMB 12.BROOKLYN FROG EP-CAN WE TALK NEW ARRIVALS ------------ SOUND FACTORY-GOOD TIMES ZHANE-SENDING MY LOVE HADDAWAY-ROCK MY HEART ABAGAIL-SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT L.O.T.U.G.-FLOW ON K7-HIDE HO CE CE PENISTON-I'M NOT OVER YOU MADONNA-I'LL REMEMBER YOU CRYSTAL WATERS-100% PURE LOVE 2 LIVE CREW- YOU GO GIRL BEATNUTS-PROPS OVER HERE KRS ONE-RETURN OF THE BOOM BAP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DJ EMAIL ADDRESSES: Streetsound Magazine: 72242.1005@compuserve.com STREETSND@aol.com Astralwerks Records: Astralwerks@cyberden.com Zoe Magik Records: 73044.1216@compuserve.com Instinct Records: 72170.1753@compuserve.com Twitch Remix Service: bdavis@netcom.com Urb Magazine: urbmag@netcom.com FFRR Records: FFRR1@aol.com The Remix Warehouse: remixwhs@aol.com Your Beat Records: dj@pegasus.rutgers.edu XLR8R Magazine: xlr8r@eskimo.com Moonshine Music: 73474.523@CompuServe.COM Vibe Magazine: VIBEmail@echonyc.com VIBEonline@aol.com Digital Graffiti Records: frmp59a@prodigy.com George Hess @ ADM Marketing: COWBOYGEORGE@delphi.com Psychosonik/Wax Trax: pauls@bitstream.mpls.mn.us Logic Records (US): LOGICUS1@aol.com Underground News: UNONLINE@delphi.com Skinny Puppy: puppy@netcom.com HardC.O.R.E. Magazine: juonstevenja@bvc.edu dwarner@mango.ucs.indiana.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For any questions, comments, etc. please contact: jcavery2@pegasus.rutgers.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For readers in the NYC area, check out DJ Disciple's house show every Thursday night from 7-9 PM on 91.5 WNYE FM!!! Also check out, 89.9 WKCR FM every Thursday night from 11:30 to 1:00 for Reggae Rhythms and the Stretch Armstrong Bobbito hip-hop show immediately after, until 5 AM. For Long Island area listeners, check out Digital Tension Dimentia every Monday night from 2-4 AM on WUSB 90.1. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For back issues of the UPDATE, check the pub/raves/music/dj/dj-trax directory at the techno.stanford.edu ftp site. If you DO NOT have ftp access, please email me for back issues. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ = This message is from: John C Avery II = = Rutgers University, Newark, NJ, USA = ================================================================================ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 23:46:39 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJEntox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJEntox@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Waaaaa, I Wanna ... John G. sez: >When are these events in europe as I will be traveling there at some >point >this year...could you let us know? >Thanks >John G. I know the event in Cornwall is on the 27th of May. I think it's called Virtual World, although I can't remeber as of now.. The Love Parade will be in Berlin, Germany, and that's all I know at this point.. If i find out more I'll tell ya! Sputnik-bound! Peace DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 02:28:31 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Iris Polit Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Iris Polit Subject: Blink info for this weekend (5-21-94) Dj's for opening weekend include: Sun - Ultraworld/Blatimore Troposphere - DMC Records Mr Kleen - Sattelite/Net - NYC [A [A [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [ [C [C [ [C al [B [B [B [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C Panik - Philly Underground Tiff - Transfused/Richmond MTG - Long Island Live performance by: Method One Admission is $8 dollars with an invite/$10 without Net-ravers will be charged $8...just mention that you are a cybertribe member at the door... Directions: FROM I-495 (Long Island Expressway) - From NYC take 495 to exitt 34 South (New Hyde Park Rd.) until you get to the Southern State Parkway (its a whiles down so dont be worried if you're driving a while). Exit on to the Southern Parkway heading east. Take the Southern Parkway to exit 19N (Peninsula Blvd.). Take Peninsula Blvd north. After you pass a Harley Davidson store, and Na\\and Nassau Glass Corp on your right side, turn left at the next light (South Franklin). At blinking light hang another left on to Newmans Ct....look for building #62, across from the Salvation Army bins. Park on roof. FROM POINTS EAST OF GARDEN CITY/HEMPSTEAD, LI - Take the Southern State Parkway west, exit at 19N, and follow directions above. For additional info and for next week's line up call (516) 476-1194 Thanx all...if you cant make it this week next week is gonna be just as swanky...some of the dj's will be Damian (dieselBoy), Nigel Richards, Panik, and an encore performance by Jason/Method One. Hope y'all can make it!!! PLUR....christian ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 12:35:41 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Awakening Tonight... Cybertribe, Well, the night that I have been planning with friends for the last two months is here, Friday, may 20th. Tonight is"Awakening" in Asbury Park, New Jersey, and if you're not totally sick of hearing me bring it up, I guess I haven't been doing a good enough job promoting it to my net friends... The word for the party is strong out on the streets though, and I think it 's going to be phat! For the DP Productions Crew down here in Jersey, this is our Summer Starter Bash. I want to give thanks out now to everyone who's helped with the promo. I'm also looking forward to seeing all of you who have told me that you're coming down. I realize there aren't all that many people still left on the list since almost everyone is going home for the summer from school and loses net-access (ahhh..the memories), but warm vibes out to all those still here for the summer. Peace, Mars - Looking forward to summer fun at the Jersey Shore... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 15:02:11 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , e boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: e boy Subject: spread the word tonight friday may 20 spiritual movement will happen in baltimore with dj's who wink dimitry on E (in that order!) $6 before 11 p.m. $8 after call modern music 410.523.1882 for directions oh, they have a MUCH better 4 corner sound system this week! AND THEN.... starting at 6:30 a.m. at the Paradox (yes that's right, just around the corner from spiritual movement) scott henry presents: dubtribe micro jason jinx scott henry do not get there before 6:30 please, there is something going on there earlier that will be done at 6 and you don't want to mingle with that crowd. admission will be $6, (this is not in association with modern music) but hey, $6 for s.m. and $6 for this and your still better off then most raves! you don't need i.d. at the paradox, and no alcohol is allowed. dubtribe starts at 7 a.m. and the party goes until noon AND THEN on fox 45 starting at 1 p.m. the five best star trek t.n.g. episodes will be on until 6 p.m. at which point there's a special 2 hour show with interviews previews of the season finale :( , and the new movie :) see you all tonight! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 20:16:24 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Re: Blink info for this weekend (5-21-94) In-Reply-To: <199405200628.CAA15864@holmes.umd.edu> Hiya, I can't go this weekend, but I'll check out next week for sure. Is Blink held on Fridays or Saturdays? Also, is the location a club, pool hall, or what? Virtually yours, Bob Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 21:34:18 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Gregor Lawrence Hoffman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Gregor Lawrence Hoffman Subject: Re: spread the word ya'll may want to bring those id cards anyway...according to the info line the Paradox will still enforce age limitations (yeah, right.) and ids will be useful...hopefully the "Fever Frisk" will be in full effect as well! @ @ u (O)......whooooooooooooooboyardeeeee! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 16:16:44 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "flu'id (floo'-)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "flu'id (floo'-)" Subject: Richie Hawtin Just thought this might be interesting since we had that thread about Richie DJing a while back. In the latest issue of NME when asked what his greatest fear as a DJ is, he responds "No EQ". _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 22:42:54 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJEntox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJEntox@AOL.COM Subject: Sputnik Picnic Hey all! I was wondering when the Sputnik 4 pre-picnic is scheduled for? (time) and where? I'm goin' down from Cow Hampshire, so I want to know when I should leave so I can make the picnic on time. I'm really psyched for this event, I hope to meet all the netravers! Peace, DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 20:44:31 -0700 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Susan R. Kameny" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Susan R. Kameny" Subject: I am going to rave the bay Hey all...yes it is true...this time i have tickets in hand...i will be flying into dc (via jfk) on may 31 and leaving (via jfk) june 8th... and i will be at RAVE THE BAY...shaking my bootie with lonniE and crew! I would love to see all yall old skool buddies and newbies too! ....susie (: p.s. i hope to travel a bit on the east coast (atlanta? north carolina? ny? boston? whereever? so if you would like to hook up/offer crash space me let me know...(:(: i love tourist stuff!!! p.s. who says i can't run dcraves while living in San Francisco...har har har ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 02:42:56 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: anyone else at galaxy 2000??????? hello all, well, tehy didn't cut my internet connection yet, so i'm happy as hell, you can still reach me here at my usual e-mail address... anyways.... i'll be flying down to NYC on the 4th of June to attend Galaxy 2000, is anyone here going? i would like to meet up with some net-ravers, instead of going alone... if you're going, just drop me a line and we can meet up. rave on! 1000 (hanging onto the net before his connection breaks) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 02:49:31 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: so much for the good spots :( i just got back inside from scouting around for spots for a nice rave up here this summer...and i have some good news, and bad news... good: we found a few places that could be obtained with permission from the landowners and stuff..... bad: the BEST spot in the area was blocked off with huge boulders... this spot may still be attainable, with some permission from the locals. though i may not be able to do anything there...i will check into it if someone wants me to... description: middle of nowhere away from civilization... open to the sky... basically a clearing in th middle of the forest... used for beer-blasts in the past...now abandoned will accomodate a ton of dancers, and there's a great spot for the DJs and a great bonfire area.... like i said, if you like, i'll check into it, the official location in Hornby, NY...about 15 kilometers from Corning, NY. . rave on 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 11:54:32 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , 6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: The Fiend <6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU> Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: anyone else at galaxy 2000??????? hey ill prob be at g2000, i live in jersey, right across the river from nyc, so if ya wanna hook up lemme know. if ya lose yer net access, my # is 437-8736. peace the fiend ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 12:43:38 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Subject: Re: I am going to rave the bay Come to NC this summer sometime! NC is blowing up like crazy! :) All kinds of great events this summer and the vibe has been really great too. Keoki will be spinning in Greensboro on June 3rd and there are always events in Charlotte that are kewl as hell. There is a rave here in Wilmington next week also. :) The last one here was super-fun and a lot of people had a great time. If anybody has any questions about summer-events coming up around NC then e-mail me and I'll give ya whatever scoop I have :) It would be fun to have everybody come down and party with us here. Love and flowers, Noj ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 12:30:52 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: You Know, Lasers Do Go Forever :) Hey Gang, Went to the Pink Floyd concert in the Boston area last night - WOW! As good as the 1987 concert with the same format - shit loads of lights, colors, pyrotechnics, lasers, large inflated pigs and totally wild music. They played a few off the latest album mixed in with stacks of oldies, including the favourites of Time, Money, Wish You Were Here, The Wall, etc and then encored with Comfortably Numb ( about how I felt at the time :) and Run Like Hell. It was outdoors in the foxborough stadium with a capacity crowd - we were sitting up the top of the stands and a fair way from the stage so we couldn't see *real* well but then, we saw *everything* :) Temperatures dropped to around the low 40's to high 30's ( that's pretty damn close to 0 Celcius ozzie type folks :) so we were *real* cold by the end of it all - brrrrrrrrrr :) As to the lasers, well, it was outdoors and their BIG lasers were shooting beams that left the stadium. Given that we were up the top of the stands, we could turn around and see those suckers just going off into infinity - the two biggest just didn't appear to fade appreciably - WOW! Wonder if we shot down anything? :) All up, a *most* excellent nite and totally worth the $$$ we paid... Party higher, Spaceman Spliff (tm, stamp & puncture ) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 15:32:00 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Subject: Greetings! I'd like to say hello to all the Ne-Ravers! I'm Craig, and I just recently joined NE-RAVEs....Hope to hear from some people I might know, and meet other people too!! --=+Craig+=-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 20:14:58 -0400 Reply-To: Mel-zo-rama Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mel-zo-rama Subject: Rave the Bay...the before and after :) Hey ya'll!!! Well, since we're praying for beautifukl weather and already know we'll have the most amazing night ahead of us [thanks to lonnie and his chosen posse] all we need is the day. Since it's downtown I was thinking it might be nice to hang out during the day in downtown Baltimore and then meet up in the square [in case a few people want to just meet us later] and all grab dinner. Since the after-breakfast thing can easily be at my house...[with my lovely cooking of french toast and a dunkin doughnuts right a block away :) ] if you don't want to fool with parking, you can park here....there's a metro station and we could all head down that way :) [RIGHT next to my house :_) ] so mail me if you'd like to do this...and well, I'm looking forward... HUGS and SQUEEZLERS! Melzie aka So what ever happened to Steve aka Fluffhead? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 22:07:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rishad J Quazi Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rishad J Quazi Subject: Blink - opening night Hi all, finding myself with nothing to do on a saturday night after prior plans fell through, i quickly logged on and grabbed the info for the Blink party that was supposed to go down on saturday. It took about an hour to get there from my place, it was in Hempstead, Long Island and i arrived there at 1am, parked on the roof of the warehouse and headed down. quick frisk and i was in the door. it was good to see the ticket people keeping their word on the discount for Cybertribe members, we all know how guest lists and reduced admission deals sometimes turn out :) the space was just your regular abandoned warehouse type space. nice, acceptably clean cement floors, some non-descript graffitti on the walls, a raised wooden stage where the sound equipment was set up, a couple of intellawatchacallit beams and a disco ball. on the stage i noticed 3 synths that no doubt belonged to the PA for the night- Jason/Method 1, and sure enough i soon met up with both he and Derek Tiffany, along with DJ Panik. ever go to a party that has basically all the right ingredients - space, setting, music, lights, amenities and so on -- but with NO PEOPLE? this was exactly the case with Blink's first night. there were about 20 people max throughout the night, and i suspect more than half of them were staff. now i realize that several other parties were stacked up against this, but i still think that a little early advertising might have showed up a slightly better attendance. oh well, i hope for everyone involved that next week is met with more people, though i won't be able to make it. high points were listening to Derek's lovely set and Jason's really cool PA which i definitely got into. i left at 4am when it was almost certain that the event wasn't going anywhere, other than providing some practice for the DJ's :) did the mass of NASA after-hours kids show up at all? i reckoned it was time to leave when the three drunk dudes pulled down their pants and decided to take a communal leak in the center of the empty dance space. maybe it was performance art or something, i dunno :) anyway, i wish chris/spam and the rest involved with this the best of luck if you're going to do this every week, and i hope to see more of you Net.Ravers real soon at upcoming events, okay? until next time, peace, FiSH ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 23:24:55 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: UNSUB, for now (vacation) PLease send me instructions for unsubscribing. Thanks woof p.s. this is just for vacation. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 23:24:59 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: realitySHIFT (thanks) realitySHIFT was PHAT, IMHO. Thanks to fiend for showing up to jack into the VRAVE thang. woof ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 23:24:57 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "David A. Wolfe" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "David A. Wolfe" Subject: Away for vacation I'll be away for the next couple of weeks. If anyone REALLY needs to get in touch, send mail to woof@well.sf.ca.us seeeeya woof ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 23:34:01 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: next weekend's BLINK (5/28) well, the first one is now past-as fish said, it had a lot of potential that would've been more apparent if, you know, more people were there. so..i won't wait on giving you the lineup for this saturday...it should be pretty sweet.....mark your calanders now ;) BLINK-Saturday, May 28, 1994 DJ'S: NIGEL RICHARDS (611 records, Philly) SCOTT RICHMOND (satellite net, NYC) DIESELBOY (pittsburgh) KARL & KAOS (philly tag-team action) PANIK (philly underground) MTG (long island) ENCORE LIVE PERFORMANCE BY: METHOD ONE (trancefused, philly/richmond) $8 with invite, $10 without (all net-ravers automatically get the discount) INFOLINES: BLINK (516) 476-1194 TERRY HILL (516) 335-9256 JEFF HANSON (516) 230-2118 ZOOM (215) 995-9650 as you can tell, there's sorta a philly theme for the night...should be a nice night -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 11:44:24 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: anyone else at galaxy 2000??????? cooool, i will probably have net access what is the area code ??? 212? rave on! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 11:49:29 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: You Know, Lasers Do Go Forever :) hmmm, Pink Floyd, eh? i was an all-around floyd fan, but my tastes have changed to the really early stuff (pre-1070s) as ravers, we are indebted to the Move, The Eire Apparent, and The Pinkfloyd.. they were the original rave acts just my feelings, but from the descriptions i've heard... the 1060s raves that The Pinkfloyd played at could kick any concert's ass that they could throw today.. (whoa! typo!, i meant 1960's, not 1060s) The Move destroyed the stage taht they played on... imagine Adam X slamming an SL1200 into the speaker stacks??? DJ Hell torching a record with barbecue starter fluid? naah :) UP-tempo! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 11:50:51 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: Greetings! hey craig what city do you live in??? what state? let's all rave some time! rave on! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 11:39:13 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Subject: Re: next weekend's BLINK (5/28) Wow, looks like you got a great lineup!! Nigel is great, so is Scott.. For people who haven't seen Karl & Kaos, you'll probably be impressed.. Good breakbeat...(Even cooler if DUB 2 is doing a supporting PA)...Good luck with it, and hope to see ya there --=+Craig+=--! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 12:33:05 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Subject: Re: Greetings! --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- hey craig what city do you live in??? what state? let's all rave some time! rave on! --[ END OF MESSAGE ]--------------- Well, I live in New Cumberland, Pa, and usually travel to Philly or Baltimore for my parties....But I sometimes make it to NY for special occasions...Like an Essence Party, NASA is always nice to go to...And really looking forward to Sputnik IV....I just hope I don't have to work!! :) peace ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 14:27:57 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: NEAU Outdoor outlaw Just wanted to say what a cool party this was. It went off really well. We got a bit of a late start as I couldn't get to the spot until 2am with all the equipment, but we went til 9am+ with alot of happy people. It's a great spot and there were close to 100 people there at it's peak. Carlos spun some nice harder acid, then Joel and I went back to back for bit and then he took over and went for an hour or so with some groovy tribal acid. We're doing it again this weekend. Same place, same night. This time, however we're going to start it earlier at 11:30... Friday MAY 27th Stow, MA (617) 424 - 7183 N.E.A.U. OUTLAW djm@progress.com N E A U 's OUTDOOR OUTLAW EVENT DJ's: * Joel (Alien House/NEAU) * DJM (Space Lab/NEAU) * Spiderman (NEAU) ... with Guest Dj from NYC... * Reade (Mental Unity/Digitek) Time: 11:30pm - 7am Cost: $5 donation DIRECTIONS: >From NH: Take 93 South to 495 South >From Boston: Take 90 West to 495 North >From points South of Boston: Take 495 North Take exit 27 (Bolton/Stow/117) off of 495. Take 117 E. 4-5 miles to Stow shopping ctr. After shopping ctr you'll see a cemetary on the left. Take an immediate right onto a dirt road. Take road straight to a stop sign. In front of you, you'll see a gate. go through the gate and follow that road down bearing right around the gravel piles then over a stream and then straight to the end of the gravel pits and park where you will see (and hear) us!! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 16:01:56 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Subject: First Friday 6.03.94 Hey gang, not really a NE-event but I'd like to see some more netravers coming down to see what the NC scene is like :) ___________________________________________________________________________ First Friday DJ KEOKI {Ney York} ED LEBRUN {Greensboro} MIKE REYNOLDS {Charlotte} Friday, June 3rd, 1994 $9 members * $10 guests * 18 and up * 11pm club info: 910.274.1006 party info: SPINS 910.274.8530 Where: Babylon 221 South Elm St., Greensboro NC First Friday -- a monthly unity event _______________________________________________________________________________ Love and Flowers, Noj ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 16:18:31 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Robert C. Baum" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Robert C. Baum" Subject: Re: First Friday 6.03.94 disconnect me from online thankz ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 16:50:25 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Christopher R Dagdigian Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Christopher R Dagdigian Subject: want to throw free party (worcester, MA) Greetings NE-Ravers; First things first, I'm new to this list so hello folks... Anyway, I just got back from two months in San Francisco where I got completely wrapped up in the scene. I was most impressed by the smaller free (or very cheap) parties that were thrown on beaches, in forests and other outdoor locations. Recently I have been thinking about the logistics of throwing some cozy and house parties in the Worcester, MA area. I have free or almost free access to PA's, turntables and visuals and there will be a few conveniently empty fraternity houses around my school this summer... I have been booking, promoting and running shows at wpi ranging in size from coffeehouse/pub events to major concerts for the past three years so I am not going into this completely blind. I am willing to donate my time, resources and $$ to support or create a warm and happening non-commercial scene in my area. This list is a wonderful resource, I was wondering if you folks would share your knowledge with me about the following things or areas: o Would I be duplicating or interfering with someone else's efforts? o Can I get a voicemail box for less than $25/month around here? o Do you know DJ's who would spin for free or for donations? o Anybody want to help? o any experiences or horror stories about throwing free parties? Any other comments, criticisms or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks, christopher raffi dagdigian craffi@wpi.wpi.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 16:53:33 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bryan Glancey Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bryan Glancey Subject: UNSUB -- listserv won't accept unsub In-Reply-To: <"omnigate.c.363:23.04.94.20.52.55"@clarkson.edu> from "Christopher R Dagdigian" at May 23, 94 04:50:25 pm too much traffic for me to keep up with for the summer!! listserv won't accept unsub ne-raves .. Help!!! Bry ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 16:55:22 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Sweeney Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Sweeney Subject: Net poetry references (NOT RAVE RELATED!) hey there- sorry to post this not rave related thing to the list, but i know all y'all are very cultured people who can help me. =) i need to find any poetry on the net. if you have any info (ftp sites, gophers, www, etc..) please lemme know =). it would really help my english grade =) thanks a bunch and enjoy the weather! john ---- john sweeney jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu binary sound(imprints) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:06:23 -0400 Reply-To: sparacod@bcvms.bc.edu Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: tapes...? Hey all, Can anyone tell me where I can find dj mix tapes? I hope to go into the city (ny) soon, and I am curious whether there are any records stores that sell tapes. thanks in advance dan sparacod@bcvms.bc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:11:12 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Allison Thurman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Allison Thurman Subject: Re: First Friday 6.03.94 got a conflict here... keoki is scheduled to be at universe in chattanooga on th e 3rd. i know, ive got the flyer. allison ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:17:28 -0400 Reply-To: sparacod@bcvms.bc.edu Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: reality shaft hey all, I went to reality shift on saturday. I called the nasa info line that night to get the location. The ballroom it was in was very nice, and contributed to the high quality sound and lighting present, however there was way too much carpeting, which limited the dance space. The music was good, especially josh wink and dubtribe. I got there at 1:30, which i soon learned was a stupid move. The info line said 'get there early,' but don't all promoters say this? Don't they want people to arrive early at there event. ? What should have been said was 'get there early because you're going to get kicked out at 6 am,' which is when the lights went one. Sure, there was an afterparty, but $20 for an event that ends at 6? Gimme a break. How about a little truth in advertising? sorry for the flame, but feeling ripped off.... dan sparacod@bcvms.bc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 17:19:05 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , GroovyBass Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: GroovyBass@AOL.COM Subject: Re: You Know, Lasers Do ... >Went to the Pink Floyd concert in the Boston area last night - >WOW! As good as >the 1987 concert with the same format - shit loads of lights, colors, >pyrotechnics, lasers, large inflated pigs and totally wild music. They >played >a few off the latest album mixed in with stacks of oldies, including >the >favourites of Time, Money, Wish You Were Here, The Wall, etc and >then encored >with Comfortably Numb ( about how I felt at the time :) and Run Like >Hell. They played Wish You Were Here and C. Numb! Alright! This bodes well for my Giant Stadium show!! happily, kenji groovybas@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 18:40:49 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: tapes...? In-Reply-To: <199405232106.RAA12509@holmes.umd.edu> well, a lot closer to you (unless you've moved from boston for the summer) but Boston Beat sells mixmag mixed tapes. they're really good. i bought a daren emerson/dave angel mix tape there that i couln't be happier with :) chris .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- `.; / ~. OO: ......sQuiShy Designs....... .' ;-- `.o.' email: squishy@world.std.com we think we're people ,' ; ~~--'~ ftp: ftp.std.com /pub/cmellow , ; ; ftp: amt.mit.edu /pub/jshiple _\\;_\\//_________ fingerforPGPpubkey ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 18:46:59 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , TSIMPSON@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Terence Simpson Subject: Mental Sunday, May 29, no work or school on Monday Mental--the truth DJ's Adam X Heather Heart Carlos Tera Jimmy Crash Reade Truth Denard Brian Walters $5 for Mental members $10 for non-members Underground Brooklyn location Call for information and location FOUNDATION 718.361.3233 welcome to the future I can hook people up with rides. We have people coming from Philly, Wooster/Boston, Toronto, and around New Jersey. Email me or call me at 718-797-5767 and I will connect you with those driving. Or just e-mail me to become friends. We promise to bring you underground parties all summer. Watch for our free outdoor raves. Peace Terence tsimpson@mary.fordham.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 19:22:00 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , TSIMPSON@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Terence Simpson Subject: live performances??? why is it that Dub Tribe was booked at every event in the past three weeks? Why is it that X-Crash (ny's own) are SO RARELY booked for East Coast events? Remember, the truth is Mental. Keep Underground. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 19:30:30 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Hank Hughes Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Hank Hughes Subject: Poetry for those whom it may concern ... http://www.ccs.neu.edu/USER/thigpen/html/poetry.html -Hank ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 19:32:35 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Subject: Re: First Friday 6.03.94 ARRRRRRGGHHHHH! :( Why do so many DJ's double-book themselves? I'm gonna be pissed if he doesn't show for Greensboro, BUT it is possible that he will spin in Chatanooga and Greensboro cause they are somewhat close to each other. It could happen?? I think I'll call the club and the info line to see what's up. :) Stay tuned, Noj ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 20:26:22 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: live performances??? In-Reply-To: <199405232322.TAA14453@holmes.umd.edu> On Mon, 23 May 1994, Terence Simpson wrote: > why is it that Dub Tribe was booked at every event in the past three weeks? > Why is it that X-Crash (ny's own) are SO RARELY booked for East Coast events? > Remember, the truth is Mental. > Keep Underground. cause the events that dubtribe were playing at were big, commercial events. and there's the exotic side of having a sf live set...just as some of the sf dj's get flown out here pretty often. you could ask why a billion east coast artists don't get booked more. chris btw, i *loved* dubtribe's live set at essence 3. there's many many people who will say that dubtribe does live sets better than most other artists. .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- `.; / ~. OO: ......sQuiShy Designs....... .' ;-- `.o.' email: squishy@world.std.com we think we're people ,' ; ~~--'~ ftp: ftp.std.com /pub/cmellow , ; ; ftp: amt.mit.edu /pub/jshiple _\\;_\\//_________ fingerforPGPpubkey ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 20:40:52 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Jim Waiter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jim Waiter >why is it that Dub Tribe was booked at every event in the past three weeks? >Why is it that X-Crash (ny's own) are SO RARELY booked for East Coast events? Maybe they don't *want* to be booked. I tried to fly adam to a party in ohio to spin (w/lenny dee and others also on the bill) but he apparently was not interested, so we booked others. jim ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 22:17:21 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: East Coast PA's In-Reply-To: <199405240041.UAA14907@holmes.umd.edu> > >why is it that Dub Tribe was booked at every event in the past three weeks? > >Why is it that X-Crash (ny's own) are SO RARELY booked for East Coast events? > > Maybe they don't *want* to be booked. I tried to fly adam to a party > in ohio to spin (w/lenny dee and others also on the bill) but he > apparently was not interested, so we booked others. > > jim Actually I think the previous person who responded is right. It is much more exotic to have a live PA from oh so cool and trendy San Fran than to book East Coast PA's of which there are a lot of: X-Crash, Disintegrator, DX-13, Method One, Prototype 909, myself, etc. There's no excuse for the lack of support promoters are giving East Coast PA's. Joe ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 21:19:00 EST Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Machine Media <0005995336@MCIMAIL.COM> Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Machine Media <0005995336@MCIMAIL.COM> Subject: Revival & Brooklyn Underground, etc. Sorry 4 posting this so late, I've been away on family business, but I figured some of U might find this 411 helpful or interesting. On the weekend of the 13-15 I was in Brooklyn :) On Friday, I had planned on going 2 Bliss, I apologize 2 anyone I told 2 meet me at Bliss, but the people I was with decided 2 go 2 this underground instead. It was in a park. While I was the there the music was mostly hardcore, hard acid, hard trance, & hardcore :) Micro, Adam, & Heather were there with their crates, but unfortunately Old Bill showed up & closed the party down, so they never got 2 spin :( She asked how many of U were doing, and asked me 2 post this: MASSIVE SHOUT 2 everyone on Ne-Raves from Heather Heart!! Expect some phat B2B parties this summer :D Over an hour later, the party reformed under this cement archway over-looking the beach -- quite beautiful if U can ignore how dirty the water is :) Several DJ's from the Mental Unity Crew spun, including Einstein who spun some wicked harcore :) Find out about more of these parties by calling Infinity at (212) 780-3303 or Matt Brennan from Expansion at 291-1373 (I'd guess the area code would be 718 or 516). Matt, who was the promoter of this event, told me a bunch of bad stories about Spam and the Island Vibe Network. He asked me 2 spread the word. Almost needless 2 say, I'm not. Personally, I'm just sick of promoter politics, most of what I hear I try 2 forget -- what I don't forget I remember not 2 repeat. On Saturday, I went 2 Revival. It was in a gym in Queens. The flyer promised "No Vendors - No Lasers" so naturally, both were there ;) What this party badly needed was a chillout room, the sound was very loud with too much treble bouncing off of every reflective surface known 2 mankind. When I got there someone was playing some cool progressive house so I started dancing. I wondered who it was who spun. Afterwards, I was outside catching some air (as there was very little of it inside!): I asked James Christian when he was gonna spin. He said he just did!! *blush* It certainty didn't sound like him, but it was still slam :) Apparently the DJ's weren't listening 2 each other, as that "beat of the drum bang! the beat of the drum bang! bang!" song got played three times! Overall, there was way too much house for my tastes. Not really a great vibe. Most people were friendly, but maybe with a bit too much attitude. Enough of this dance contest shit -- dancing is an expression NOT a competition -- so, please, no wagering!! When I got back from Revival on Sunday afternoon I had found out that my father had passed away :( :( :( I still have 2 deal with that and its many responsibilities so I won't be going 2 Magic (it's the type of event I would usually support). Hope I C U at Galaxy 2000 :D PEACE OUT:) MARK I LOVE U ALL!!! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 22:56:51 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Darshan M. Jesrani" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Darshan M. Jesrani" Subject: Re: East Coast PA's >> >why is it that Dub Tribe was booked at every event in the past three weeks? >> >Why is it that X-Crash (ny's own) are SO RARELY booked for East Coast events? >> >> Maybe they don't *want* to be booked. I tried to fly adam to a party >> in ohio to spin (w/lenny dee and others also on the bill) but he >> apparently was not interested, so we booked others. >> >> jim >Actually I think the previous person who responded is right. It is much >more exotic to have a live PA from oh so cool and trendy San Fran than to >book East Coast PA's of which there are a lot of: X-Crash, Disintegrator, >DX-13, Method One, Prototype 909, myself, etc. There's no excuse for the >lack of support promoters are giving East Coast PA's. > Joe Are you sure that it has everything to do with the trendiness and/or exotic nature of the band's home, and nothing to do with the type of music for which the band is known? There's a world of musical difference between Dubtribe and DX-13. Dubtribe do have a reputation for doing a good PA, so it doesn't surprise me at all that they're booked up.. Peace, Darshan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 23:22:55 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Daniel Alex Finkelstein Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Daniel Alex Finkelstein Subject: poetry Try Project Bartleby at columbianet.cc.columbia.edu. You can telnet there. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 23:22:48 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BPMF@DELPHI.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jason Szostek Subject: chill out phase 2 Yo Happy Techno Lovers: CHILL OUT! was the compilation cd that defined "chill" last year. I didnt know, but thought if anything could be more amazing I would never live to hear it.. Well I have: CHILL OUT PHASE TWO Blows the first away!!:):) especially: orbital: "Belfast" <------ Heard Robbie Hardkiss (aka GOD) spin this at 10, I was blissed:):) Omicron: "tranquility base"<------Best thing he's done yet!! Terre Thaemlitz:"Fat chair"<------out there!!!and beyond.. Aphex Twin:"Blue calx"<-----you know the score, Richard James also has p909(wierdness, like you wouldn't expect) Human Mesh Dance (never ceases to amaze me, this guy has never done drugs:)) Caberet Voltaire, Mysteries of Science, Deep Space Network, Sad World, Serve Chilled, Voodoo Warriors of Love, Sun Elcetric, Optica, The Drum Club, Air Liquid and not least: Irresistable Force!! Double Disc Instinct proves it still can slam!:):) Take it from a guy who doesn't get excited about much;) Peace Jason ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 00:21:26 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rishad J Quazi Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rishad J Quazi Subject: Re: Net poetry references (NOT RAVE RELATED!) In-Reply-To: <199405232055.QAA12440@holmes.umd.edu>; from "John Sweeney" at May 23, 94 4:55 pm > > hey there- > > sorry to post this not rave related thing to the list, but i know all > y'all are very cultured people who can help me. =) i need to find any > poetry on the net. if you have any info (ftp sites, gophers, www, etc..) > please lemme know =). it would really help my english grade =) > > thanks a bunch and enjoy the weather! > john > > > ---- > john sweeney > jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu > binary sound(imprints) > try rec.arts.poetry? or something like that? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 01:58:28 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: want to throw free party (worcester, MA) Chris......... the rave-mobile is going to hit the road soon :) i'd like to help if i can. on the same note...i am scouting the area around here for rave spots. i found a ton of great areas taht are great for fmrs and outlaw parties... OK...so upstate doesn't have the warehouses of the city, & downstate.. but we have barns and forest clearings that'd make any warehouse-rave promoter drool. rave on! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 05:34:07 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: dub tribe In-Reply-To: <199405240041.UAA14907@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Jim Waiter" at May 23, 94 8:40 pm Why is dub tribe booked so much? well they are good and they are on tour peaceout -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 10:04:45 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: East Coast PA's > Actually I think the previous person who responded is right. It is much > more exotic to have a live PA from oh so cool and trendy San Fran than to > book East Coast PA's of which there are a lot of: X-Crash, Disintegrator, > DX-13, Method One, Prototype 909, myself, etc. There's no excuse for the > lack of support promoters are giving East Coast PA's. Also, I think it's the fact that alot of promoters are afraid of the kind of underground music that comes out out of NY from the likes of X-Crash, Disitegrator, etc... I don't know if you heard X-Crash at Phoenix a couple of weeks ago, but "raves" these days don't go for that kind of stuff anymore. dave ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 10:35:12 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: East Coast PA's In-Reply-To: <199405240257.WAA15459@holmes.umd.edu> On Mon, 23 May 1994, Darshan M. Jesrani wrote: > Are you sure that it has everything to do with the trendiness and/or > exotic nature of the band's home, and nothing to do with the type of music > for which the band is known? There's a world of musical difference between > Dubtribe and DX-13. Not sure, just suspect. > Dubtribe do have a reputation for doing a good PA, so it doesn't surprise me > at all that they're booked up.. Yep, as I said, house is big, trance is big so to follow the trend promoters book that kind of PA. It's similar to the watering down of diversity in the DJ situation but it is more pronunced in this case because there aren't as many PA's as DJ's. Imagine if there were 7 east coast DJ's that hardly got booked because all the promoters wanted was the Hardkisses and Garth. > Peace, > > Darshan > Joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 10:51:37 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: East Coast PA's In-Reply-To: <9405241404.AA29365@zanzibar.bedford.progress.COM> On Tue, 24 May 1994, Dave McMahon wrote: > Also, I think it's the fact that alot of promoters are afraid of the kind of > underground music that comes out out of NY from the likes of X-Crash, > Disitegrator, etc... > > I don't know if you heard X-Crash at Phoenix a couple of weeks ago, but "raves" > these days don't go for that kind of stuff anymore. Yep, it's the watering down of the music that has been occurring over the last year or so. If the scene dies I think part of it is because of it moving away from the hardcore that spawned it and towards more "accessible" sounds. I remmember when I used to be able to go to a rave and be blown away by new sounds and styles. I heard a VARIETY of NEW stuff whether it was Breaks, Hardcore, Trance, House, whatever. It was all there at East Coast parties. I always thought this diversity was the strength of the East Coast scene as a few friends of mine who jaunted back and forth from Cali told me the scene out there was almost all house. Damian said a few months back that the East Coast now bites the ass of San Francisco 6 months ago. I tend to agree. If the scene dies it will be due in part to the watered down music that washed it down the drain. Forget extremes, make it accesible....<- I say fuk dat! > > dave ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 11:09:48 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Gil Yaker Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Gil Yaker Subject: Re: East Coast PA's In-Reply-To: <199405241452.KAA18385@holmes.umd.edu> On Tue, 24 May 1994, Joe LeSesne wrote: > Forget extremes, make it accesible....<- I say fuk dat! no no no no no... and I'm not gonna come back at you and say only accesible music should be played. I think that it's most important to play a good base of accessible music, and to also throw in a few surprises, and extremes. People need somthing to hook on to, for a security measure. If you never played the same song twice, and threw in some wacky shit, like in 5/4, the majority of people would say 'what the hell?...' and walk away.. And besides, define extremes and accesibility - I tend to think accesibility means somthing you can get on CD. How many people buy records and arn't DJs? (yes, I know there are a few, but not the majority) and now, you can get just about all types of music on CD. It's all accessible if you care - -Gil ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 11:59:20 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Colby Newton Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Colby Newton Subject: Accessable Music A few seconds ago Gil Yaker wrote: >And besides, define extremes and accesibility - I tend to think >accesibility means somthing you can get on CD. How many people buy >records and arn't DJs? (yes, I know there are a few, but not the >majority) and now, you can get just about all types of music on CD. Argh! Playing music from CDs at events would not revive a scene or vibe in any way! One of the most interesting things that makes a marked difference from a rave to a standard "club" event is the fact that the DJs spin new, cutting edge tracks that nobody has heard. That's what makes the essence of the rave come alive, people talking about all the new sounds and dancing to grooves that they can hardly hear anywhere else. Sure, most people don't buy records, but mix tapes are available all over the place which far exceed any mediocre "TECHNO/HOUSE" CD compilation. HANNiBAL @ FOOD (412) 734-8458 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 12:18:20 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , soundz@MIT.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: Boston Record Store Does anyone have any info on the new record store opening on Mass Ave in Boston? I forgot what the name of it was, but I've heard that they have a branch in LA. The panel said "coming soon..." JimmY |-|/\t ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 12:28:51 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Thomas C Butcher Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Thomas C Butcher Subject: Re: spread the word In-Reply-To: <199405201902.PAA20205@holmes.umd.edu> Hey, Lonnie! Just wanted to let you know I'm back on the net now, and we're remixing GONE. We should be done in about a week or so, and as soon as we are, I'll get that metal tape to you I promised. My new net address is: bit@starbase.neosoft.com So anyway, let me know how things are going, and be on the lookout for that tape. I'll let you know when I sent it. See ya! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 12:30:38 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Thomas C Butcher Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Thomas C Butcher Subject: oh no! oops... sorry, I didn't mean to send that message about GONE to the whole list. Please.. shoot me now! bit ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 12:50:41 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: Boston Record Store In-Reply-To: <199405241619.MAA19504@holmes.umd.edu> On Tue, 24 May 1994, wrote: > Does anyone have any info on the new record store opening on Mass Ave in > Boston? I forgot what the name of it was, but I've heard that they have a > branch in LA. The panel said "coming soon..." all i know is that boston beat closed their east boston store and is planning on expanding the boylston store in an attempt to compete with this new store. i don't know how good it will be, overall, to have two stores specializing in vinyl dance music so close to each other. (the new store is right at comm. ave. and mass ave.) hopefully it will just increase the diversity of new releases we get. chris .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- `.; / ~. OO: ......sQuiShy Designs....... .' ;-- `.o.' email: squishy@world.std.com we think we're people ,' ; ~~--'~ ftp: ftp.std.com /pub/cmellow , ; ; ftp: amt.mit.edu /pub/jshiple _\\;_\\//_________ fingerforPGPpubkey ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 12:56:10 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: Boston Record Store > i don't know how good it will be, overall, to have two stores specializing > in vinyl dance music so close to each other. (the new store is right at > comm. ave. and mass ave.) hopefully it will just increase the diversity of > new releases we get. I look forward to the competition. Boston Beat's selection, IMHO, sucks. It's mostly bad commercial disco and cheesy house music (as opposed to the good house music available elsewhere). I heard that Benny (Reload) will be working there and if that's true, I'm sure we'll see a decent flow of interesting music coming in from all over. Maybe I won't even need to go to Groove or Planet X anymore to get good music!!! dave. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 13:41:22 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , PEPPERMINT@DELPHI.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: PEPPERMINT@DELPHI.COM Subject: microrave in albany hello everyone/!!!:) sorry i haven't posted in soo long, i have been super busy andm my account was really messed up, but oh we. ll...this isn't about that this is about....e=mc2!! yes, this sunday in sla ban albany ny, e=mc2 w is gonna happen this party is being hosted by no other than our infamous miss treat:) so here goes:) sunday may 29 at the QE2 on 12 Central ave. in albay ny, energy = =mc2 will take place.. the line upe is..... SWAMI, KLOKWERK, MEDICINE MAN, DISCOVERY AND SCOTT RICHMOND this party is all ages, 21 and over to f drink...and open to eveyone/ :) infolines are....518-432-4784 and 518-465-6381 but try the first number first.. oh well, i am sorry this post is soo jagged i am in a supe r er rush...but, i hope to see some of you there:) if any of you are interested in coming, please get back to me:) we'll do some osrt of pre= -r party thing...see ya all l8r... peaz out...peppermint patty and miss treat:) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 13:53:36 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Francois Dion Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Francois Dion Subject: Re: Boston Record Store In-Reply-To: <199405241656.MAA20028@holmes.umd.edu> from "Dave McMahon" at May 24, 94 12:56:10 pm Dans la Matrice, Dave McMahon a dit: > > > i don't know how good it will be, overall, to have two stores specializing > > in vinyl dance music so close to each other. (the new store is right at > > comm. ave. and mass ave.) hopefully it will just increase the diversity of > > new releases we get. > > I look forward to the competition. Boston Beat's selection, IMHO, sucks. I have not been that many times to record stores in boston but i almost checked all of them. I've also been to every record stores in Montreal. Normally i can find up to 3 good unusual records. When i went to boston beat in east boston, i got 6 records, 5 of them not common (in fact, one biochip c record i have never seen anywhere else). > It's mostly bad commercial disco and cheesy house music (as opposed to the > good house music available elsewhere). It must have changed from last year... > I heard that Benny (Reload) will be > working there and if that's true, I'm sure we'll see a decent flow of > interesting > music coming in from all over. Maybe I won't even need to go to Groove or > Planet X anymore to get good music!!! One thing that i know, is that we have record stores all over the place in Montreal, and that doesn't do anything for the quality of the selection. Each record store has a core of djs each spending way over 100$ each week, and they get the best stuff. In my case at some points i did spend aroundf that so it was not a problem and beside most people bought house or trance and i bought harder stuff, but still by going to the same record store, they got to expect my $$ and didn't really offer good service anymore and so i started getting crap (when it is somebody else who is playing the record he can highlight only the good part... i liked boston beat where you could play the records yourself) till finally i got zero service (i had ordered some not common records and they sold them.) So, my suggestion is to check out more than one place and also, not limit yourself to vinyl. best place for cds in montreal btw is bunker on st-laurent. Good prices and uncommon cds. another place for uncommon cds is dutchys but you'll pay a few $ more. I dont think there is a comparable place to bunker in boston, but if you have a name or catalog number, you can always order stuff. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' IdMEDIA \ Managing: \ Publishing: \ Specialising: CP 312 \ Equation de Base \ Cybernaute \ Multimedia & Telecom St-Lambert, QC \ Francois Dion \ IDM Software \ design, publishing & Canada, J4P 3P8 \ Fuzzy Logic \ Raving Up North \ testing(hard/software) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 15:07:38 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Christopher R Dagdigian Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Christopher R Dagdigian Subject: Re: want to throw free party (worcester, MA) In-Reply-To: <199405240600.CAA15993@holmes.umd.edu> from "Obin C. Robinson" at May 24, 94 01:58:28 am Hey there, thanks for the response... I'm planning to do at least a few free parties this summer, so I'll let you know when the plans solidify. later, Chris Dagdigian craffi@wpi.wpi.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 15:14:50 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: East Coast PA's In-Reply-To: On Tue, 24 May 1994, Gil Yaker wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 1994, Joe LeSesne wrote: > > > Forget extremes, make it accesible....<- I say fuk dat! > > no no no no no... > and I'm not gonna come back at you and say only accesible music should be > played. I think that it's most important to play a good base of > accessible music, and to also throw in a few surprises, and extremes. In that quote I'm talking about the rave as a whole, specifically the music that gets played. > People need somthing to hook on to, for a security measure. If you never > played the same song twice, and threw in some wacky shit, like in 5/4, the > majority of people would say 'what the hell?...' and walk away.. Something tells me you are relatively new to the scene. When I got into it back in the Summer 1992 (when ALOT of people on the East Coast got into it) people would travel hundreds of miles to different raves playing music that was completely different than anything they had heard before really. Think about it, if what you are saying is true then why didn't we start off hearing alot of rock in techno or rap in techno at raves. Future in DC was my first big rave and it was incredible because even though we had heard some techno before that almost everyone who went was blown away by the fresh/strange new music. They didn't say "What is this shit?" and walk away. If they had you and I wouldn't be having thiws discussion right now, would we. > And besides, define extremes and accesibility - I tend to think > accesibility means somthing you can get on CD. How many people buy > records and arn't DJs? (yes, I know there are a few, but not the majority) > and now, you can get just about all types of music on CD. Lets not bring the vinyl vs CD debate into this. It has ben done to death. I am talking about new and innovative sounds and beats. That's why a great many of us started going to raves. Back in 92 I didn't want to miss a big rave. Now it really doesn't matter cause I'll hear the same music at the next XYZ event played by the same ABC DJ's/PA's > It's all accessible if you care - And I said it once and i'll say it again "fuk dat". > -Gil Joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 15:37:21 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , 6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: The Fiend <6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU> Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Add this to the ROM FUCK HOUSE THIS IS TECKNO B R U T A L NYC HARDCORE GABBER ASYLUM You decide who's harder than Hell! Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength, NYC) Abraxas (Subtopia, Amsterdam) Hardcore Headbaging' wit MC: Rob G NO BREAKBEAT, NO TRANCE, NO CHILL OUT Every Monday, Starting June 6 at The Bank, corner of Houston & Ave. A, NYC. 10pm-4am $10 to get in or $5 with invite Brutal Hotline: 212-431-6718 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 15:38:31 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: East Coast PA's > > People need somthing to hook on to, for a security measure. If you never > > played the same song twice, and threw in some wacky shit, like in 5/4, the > > majority of people would say 'what the hell?...' and walk away.. > we had heard some techno before that almost everyone who went was blown > away by the fresh/strange new music. They didn't say "What is this shit?" and > walk away. If they had you and I wouldn't be having thiws discussion > right now, would we. Good points by both. This is true in any form of music or in any part of life for that matter. There are those who want the familiar and those who seek the 'WOW! What's this!!!' and everything in between. There are alot of people who prefer to hear familiar music, but on the other hand I know alot of people who MUCH prefer to NOT hear ANY familiar music when they go out to a party. While it's interesting to hear a sample reused in a different way or a familiar pattern now and then I feel that the ideal parties are those where I don't recognize a single bleep. Clubs have always been the place to hear the more familiar music. Raves used to be the place to hear the fresh/strange stuff, but musically and otherwise they're becoming more like clubs. Music/Techno parties are the place to hear the new shit. dave. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 15:52:28 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: East Coast PA's In-Reply-To: <9405241938.AA01541@zanzibar.bedford.progress.COM> On Tue, 24 May 1994, Dave McMahon wrote: > While it's interesting to hear a sample reused in a different way or a familiar > pattern now and then I feel that the ideal parties are those where I don't > recognize a single bleep. > > Clubs have always been the place to hear the more familiar music. Raves used > to be the place to hear the fresh/strange stuff, but musically and otherwise > they're becoming more like clubs. Music/Techno parties are the place to hear > the new shit. > > dave. Dave, You're writing skills are far superior than mine because you said in 2 paragraphs what I tried (and probably failed) to say in two long messages. :) Joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 17:58:50 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Gil Yaker Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Gil Yaker Subject: Re: East Coast PA's In-Reply-To: On Tue, 24 May 1994, Joe LeSesne wrote: > > Something tells me you are relatively new to the scene. When I got > into it back in the Summer 1992 (when ALOT of people on the East Coast got > into it) people would travel hundreds of miles to different raves playing > music that was completely different than anything they had heard before > really. Think about it, if what you are saying is true then why didn't > we start off hearing alot of rock in techno or rap in techno at raves. > Future in DC was my first big rave and it was incredible because even though > we had heard some techno before that almost everyone who went was blown > away by the fresh/strange new music. First off, No, I'm not new to the rave scene...and yes that future rave was my first also (why didn't I see you there :) > > Lets not bring the vinyl vs CD debate into this. It has ben done to death. > I am talking about new and innovative sounds and beats. That's why a great > many of us started going to raves. Back in 92 I didn't want to miss a big > rave. Now it really doesn't matter cause I'll hear the same music at the > next XYZ event played by the same ABC DJ's/PA's > No, I'm not talking the CD vs. Vinyl debate... But what I'm saying is this (and meybe we're debating two different things...): I have heard 'techno' go through some major changes..and yes to a degree it has progressed..but the music doesn't progress week to week. If "new and innovative sounds and beats" were heard constantly on a week to week basis, no one would enjoy them. Take yourself as a music creator: Everyone one of your songs can't be 'new and innovative' compared to the last one. It's different, though. It has some elements that you can connect with other music in the same genre. It has lots of elements that are similar to other groups as well. And some elements , I'm sure, that are your own. Now, in the grand sceme of things, I don't know a lot about techno artists and their music, so let me illustrate with somthing I know: Take two projects by Richie Hawtin:(that I know well) Plastikman and Fuse- If you played one of them (the fuse stuff, which came out first) and then you heard the plastikman, You wouln't say "whoa! what the hell is this stuff!", I think the more common response would be: hey this is great...it has XXX elements of Fuse, but a few new ideas. (well maybe a lot of new ideas). The point is: you are never going to run across music that is 100% new and innovative. It's like a typology: everything is based on a precident. I still contest people need somthing 'old' to grab onto...Or at least somthing they can trace back to their precedent, and know what's going on. For instance...everyone is familiar with a normal 4/4 beat with the emphasis places on 1 and 3, and in breakbeat/jungle whatever you can have the accent on 2 and mabye the 4&...but you have to be able to make the connection (weather you can phrase it musically or not). I'm thinking my definition of 'new and innovative' is far to broad...I'm not sure. -Gil ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 19:53:24 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: BRVICK@VAXSAR.VASSAR.EDU Subject: Re: East Coast PA's I definately think the reason groups like Dub Tribe get booked over Dx-13 or X-Crash is the type of music that they play. Dub Tribe is a fun pa to see The music works really well and has continuity to the performance. I saw DX-13 about a year and a half ago and I felt like I was in absolute hell. Brian ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 20:20:38 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Douglas Zimmerman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Douglas Zimmerman Subject: Re: want to throw free party (worcester, MA) In-Reply-To: <9405232049.AA02346@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu>; from "Christopher R Dagdigian" at May 23, 94 4:50 pm > o Can I get a voicemail box for less than $25/month around here? American Voice Mail Inc. has voice mail boxes for $9.95 a month + taxes up to 2 min. message and unlimited number of people call try 1800347-2861 to see if there is something in the local area doug ) ( > > > thanks, > christopher raffi dagdigian > craffi@wpi.wpi.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 21:59:50 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rachel J Wakefield Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rachel J Wakefield Subject: Re: Revival & Brooklyn Underground, etc. In-Reply-To: <199405240222.WAA15279@holmes.umd.edu> we in new hampshire give you our best wishes and love. your loss is too tragic for us to believe and should not have happened. we're speechless but invite any correpondence. take care. we should be at galaxy 2K also. marc matt and rachel we're speechless but ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 22:55:23 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJEntox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJEntox@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Boston Record Store >I look forward to the competition. Boston Beat's selection, IMHO, >sucks. It's true.. I've had many excursions to Boston beat when they had NO hardcore (german/gabber etc) at ALL. They do get in the odd good thing from Structure or DE2001, but overall it is just bad commercial disco (I mean Barry Manilow's "Copacabana" Remixes STILL on the main wall???? What the fuck?) . > I heard that Benny >(Reload) will be >working there and if that's true, I'm sure we'll see a decent flow of >interesting >music coming in from all over. Yeah, I got word from DJ Archie that he might be working at Boston Beat also (It's about time!::::hardcore!!) so I'm rilly psyched! > Maybe I won't even need to go to Groove or >Planet X anymore to get good music!!! I'm getting rather tired of Planet X's selection nowadays.. I mean they have good stuff, and they know what I like, but they have like 4 hardcore records in one week.. and I get sick of doing mail order _all_ the time.. you do have to do some real shopping at least once a month. Does anyone have the # for Cafe Sounds in NJ? I heard that they have an even better selection than Planet X... Peace John ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 23:30:43 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: Boston Record Store In-Reply-To: <199405250255.WAA25674@holmes.umd.edu> On Tue, 24 May 1994 DJEntox@AOL.COM wrote: > It's true.. I've had many excursions to Boston beat when they had NO > hardcore (german/gabber etc) at ALL. They do get in the odd good thing from > Structure or DE2001, but overall it is just bad commercial disco (I mean > Barry Manilow's "Copacabana" Remixes STILL on the main wall???? What the > fuck?) don't make it out to be a crappy record store! for being in boston its very good. for my tastes (which include everything *except* hardcore/gabber) i haven't had to mail order once since i've moved here in february. a few people who only buy harcore/gabber start yelling about only being able to find barry manilow or whatever and people are going to get the wrong idea about the store. its a very good store. and, yes, i've shopped at all the nyc, groove, planet x stores too. they just don't order much hardcore cause not too many people buy it. > Yeah, I got word from DJ Archie that he might be working at Boston Beat also > (It's about time!::::hardcore!!) so I'm rilly psyched! if you're talking about jughead (the guy who works at tower), he's going to be the hardcore buyer for boston beat. i didn't know he went under the name dj Archie? :) > I'm getting rather tired of Planet X's selection nowadays.. I mean they have > good stuff, and they know what I like, but they have like 4 hardcore records wouldn't groove be better for hardcore than planet x, anyways? seeing who owns and operates it, i'd think they would be the place to order from/go to in order to buy hardcore. chris .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- `.; / ~. OO: ......sQuiShy Designs....... .' ;-- `.o.' email: squishy@world.std.com we think we're people ,' ; ~~--'~ ftp: ftp.std.com /pub/cmellow , ; ; ftp: amt.mit.edu /pub/jshiple _\\;_\\//_________ fingerforPGPpubkey ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 23:39:19 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Add this to the ROM In-Reply-To: <199405241939.PAA23190@holmes.umd.edu> On Tue, 24 May 1994, The Fiend wrote: > FUCK HOUSE THIS IS TECKNO > > B R U T A L > > NYC HARDCORE GABBER ASYLUM > > You decide who's harder than Hell! > > Lenny Dee > (Industrial Strength, NYC) > > Abraxas > (Subtopia, Amsterdam) > > Hardcore Headbaging' wit > MC: Rob G > > NO BREAKBEAT, NO TRANCE, NO CHILL OUT This sounds SLAMMIN! There should be more things like this. While I agree with the spirit I have to laugh when it says NO BREAKBEAT. (Not like you get much anywhere else). Everyone knows Breaks are The Real Hardcore. :) Joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 May 1994 23:52:44 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Subject: Re: East Coast PA's well, having just seen dubtribe (and being an "east cost PA" myself), i beelieve i can give (errr believe that is) some insight to why they are being hired so much: THEY ARE REALLY GOOD seriously, at a rave called scott dubtribe was the highlight for me (yes, even more than dieselboy, karl &kaos' 3-way tag-team). first of all, the music was really tight-continuous and very danceable. second of all, it was about as "live" as an electronic music outfit can get...i was watching the whole time and most of the set was triggered/arranged live and in real time. i even got a chance to check out his equipment later :) and there were no tapes involved. so, dubtribe is really big right now, and get a lot of gigs. so what? they have the talent to back it up, and i don't see people complaining that say, scott henry or josh wink get too many gigs -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 00:20:55 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: Add this to the ROM :) there is a God whoever had the idea to play gabber and hardcore should have a golden statue made of them and put in central park... finally, the house junkies and ambient waifs will have to step aside.... NYC=Rotterdam? that'd be fine with me:) 1000 hi5 to the promoter or organizer of this new happening "Amsterdam/dam/dam Rotterdam/dam/dam..." -Paul Elstak "Alles Naar De Kl-Te" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 00:42:27 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: East Coast PA's hmm, i'm not sure if i agree with nothing is "new and innovative" 10% if you had a fat stack of vinyl 20 feet high, i'm dead certain that you'd probably hear some wacked-out stuff off of some garage/underground label that would make you say..... "What the fuck is this???" ... then... "I've never heard anything like it!!" then... "I love it!" when the rap music that i loved turned to garbage in the late 1980s, i got turned on to the sound of music that could stretch for hours without one single vocal, rhyme, or turntable-wizardry... to me, when i heard LA Style's "James Brown Is Dead" 12" advance copy, i was in the basement behind two turntables for hours listening to rap that i was considering to be of lessening quality. (the rap, that is) JB is Dead made me say "What the fuck is this???" and "I love it!" it was 100% innovative, no NWA, Dre, Geto, FredFoxx, or any other bullshit could compare to this wonderful new sound i was hearing... from there, it goes in circles... gangster rap is still lousy, down-tempo, uninspired, commercialist money- generating music for the baggy-pants-baseball-cap-and-lacrosse-snoop-dog- 18-inch-subwoofer-jeep-beat-dollar-dollar-bill-y'all masses... i'm also pretty certain that if you were to cruise over t your old high school with Richie Hawtin's "Spastik" blasting from you car stereo, half the pop-musci infected high-schoolers would say "What the hell? Where's the vocals?". Some say "Hmm." Yet, tehre are others that pause and listen, and say "Cool." to them, "Spastik" is 100% innovative and new, they've never heard musci taht can stretch for 10 minutes with no vocals, and no screeching guitars or angelic-voiced Korg synth singing backup vocals for their idols... think :) (seen on a skater shirt) 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 01:41:18 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , NigelR611 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: NigelR611@AOL.COM Subject: 611 Records Hiya Folks! This is not an advertisement. It's more like an invitation to check out 611. I see a lot of people heckling about what shops do and don't carry this and that. Well, we've entered the market and we're here to stay. We carry deep deep house, funky slow breaks, acid jazz, breakbeat (largest selection on East Coast), Detroit techno, gabber, acid, experimental and then some. We also have Cd's, mix tapes, label clothing and record bags. We are in Philly at 611 S. 4th St. or cal for mail order at (215)413-9100. You can fax too at (215)625-8308. Josh Wink or myself will gladly take care of you. I just hear everyone bitch about problems with other stores......we throw no Bullshit attitude. We are there to help. Besides, we're all better off if everyone gets great music. Sorry if this sounds like an advert.....It's just that if you don't know about 611, please check it out as you may be impressed. We're trying very hard and we have a lot of pride. We hate to see people shunned away from other stores because the owners don't like their music preferences. Fuk dat! The only "dance" we don't carry is hip hop. Don't put up with shit selections or attitudes. Shop otherwise. I opened the shop for that reason. Thanks for reading. C-YA! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 01:55:12 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: FMR party on Long Island Hi people, I just heard that there will be a full moon gathering hear on Long Island this Thursday, May 26th. Call (516) 547-7118 or (516) 230-2110 for directions, which should be posted on Thursday. The location will be held in Ronkonkoma, which is in Western Suffolk County. FMR + Blink + Mental = Fun Memorial Day Weekend Virtually yours, Bob "I love LI" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 02:26:39 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Subject: Re: 611 Records nigel richards writes: I just hear everyone bitch about problems with other s tores......we throw no Bullshit attitude. We are there to help. Besides, we're all better off if everyone gets great music. Sorry if this sounds like an advert.....It's just that if you don't know about 611, please check it out as you may be impressed. ****************************************** though some people might be a bit annoyed at this "semi-advert", i want to take a few minutes and back 611 records, because it IS a great store and i believe in it highly. if youve ever had to deal with certain "nameless" stores, shopping at 611 is really nice: -first of all, 611 doesnt play favorites like other stores. nigel doesnt save all the "good" vinyl for its famous/special customers. anyone can go in and walk out with the newest tracks without being a superstar -second of all, 611 has a great selection of stuff PLUS good prices...a new UK record costs me $2 less than at a certain mid-atlantic rec store -third of all, nigel is telling the truth when he says he has no attitude. very refreshing, especially to a first-time customer this is all stuff that i believe personally...i havent been paid or anything ;) -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 07:26:48 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ebh@SUMMIT.NOVELL.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Ed Horch Subject: Re: 611 Records In-Reply-To: <199405250627.CAA26932@holmes.umd.edu> from "LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU" at May 25, 94 02:26:39 am > > if you don't know about 611, please check it out as you may be > > impressed. > > i want to > take a few minutes and back 611 records, because it IS a great store and i > believe in it highly. Add my vote too. I've come away with good stuff and a good feeling every time I've shopped there. -Ed SLiP "into something more comfortable" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 08:29:34 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Brian O. Bozarth" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: 611 Records In-Reply-To: <199405250541.BAA26551@holmes.umd.edu> hey, ever thought of doing mail order over the internet? There's only two services I know of now..Earrational and Innovative Record Source. Just an idea... brian lunatik ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 10:01:36 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Christopher R Dagdigian Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Christopher R Dagdigian Subject: New Boston Store (86 Mass. Ave.) The new store opening on Mass. Ave. in Boston is "BeatNonStop" this is what their promo says; ------------------------------ direct from the underground emerges....BeatNonStop L.A. Location; 7262 Melrose Ave. L.A., CA, 90046 voice:213.930.2121 fax:213.930.1416 world wide mailorder: 213.930.2187 New Boston Location; 86 Massachusetts Avenue Boston, MA 02115-2157 (corner of Common & Mass. Ave.) voice: 617.236.6534 617.236.4492 fax: 617.236.4450 carrying the largest selection of dance music imports and domestics 12 inch and cd's also carrying the best selection in men and women's clothing look for the grand opening of our Boston store and party at the end of May 1994 with America's top dj's call 617.236.6534 for party info ---------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 10:41:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: East Coast PA's > progressed..but the music doesn't progress week to week. If "new and > innovative sounds and beats" were heard constantly on a week to week > basis, no one would enjoy them. ^^ ^^^ <------- BZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT!!! WRONG! *YOU* may not enjoy a constant flow of innovative *NEW* sounds, but most of the people I know would disagree. My first reaction when I saw this statement was "What planet is he from?!??!", but there are people who need the familiar. That's what clubs and (now) raves are for. ;) dave. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 11:04:23 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: East Coast PA's (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- This bounced the first time I replied because Darshan sent the cc: to ne-raves@umd.umdd.edu. On 24 May 1994, Darshan M. Jesrani wrote: > Ok, I see where you're coming from.. Do you think that house music is > killing the rave scene? > > Darshan Nope, because first off kill is too strong a word and secondly I don't think any one thing is killing the scene. I will say this, house music is watering down the music spun at events as a whole. House music by nature is club music and can you blame alot of the people who are going back to clubs instead of going to raves? Things have gone quite astray from where we started in 1992. Think about it: Clubs started spinning more underground house. Raves started spinning more house. At some point some people who are more superficial than me say: Why go to a rave in a dingy warehouse or on a dirty/muddy clearing in the middle of knowhere when we can hear the same music (often the same DJ/PA) at XYZ club in cool downtown Gotbux City? Then there are the people who got into the scene because it was new and different and so was the music, who have stopped going to events because they no longer are that different. I remmember when people would travel 8-10 hours to go to a rave and be blown away by the event. There are very few of us that will do that anymore. After all one warehouse is just like another no matter what town and you've seen intellabeams and lasers before a zillion times and you know DJ ZYX is going to spin somewhere closer to your house, perhaps a club in your town. Why bother, the music at each event stays the same, same DJ's, same records, same "accessible" sounds. The only things that seem to change are the cities, dates and the the flyers. Meanwhile there ARE events which go on 8-10 hours from Gotbux city that have new DJ's (new to you anyway) spinning new music and maybe even an intellabeam or two. How many people go into the midwest for a rave vs how many midwesterners travel to the coasts. There's a whole scene between SF and NY/Philly/DC/Balto/New England. For instance, Synovial Fluid and Sputnik (I forget the number of this one) fall on the same night. Both are going to be in big spaces (Synovial Fluid in the Great Southern Arena which is huge. Think of two large Roller Rinks.) Both are going to have professionally done sound, lasers, lights, and smart bar (hi jenn!). What Sputnik will have is a DJ Lineup that reads like who's who of the East Coast DJ's. What Synovail Fluid will have is two big name EC DJ's (Ryde & dieselBoy) and a list of DJ's who are less known east of Pittsburgh but nonetheless talented and well known regionally. Both events tickets are widely availble along the coast. My question is where do you think people will go by and large? If the answer is Sputnik you see my point. Accessible. Joe |[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]| |------------------------1-8-7_____________Wicked_Rides_to_the_Darkside__| |[][][][][][][][][] Jungle/Darkness/Hard Acid *live* PAs (performances)__| |[][][][][][][] email raver909@telerama.lm.com for bookings info & demo__| |[][][][][] Or ftp sfraves.stanford.edu for the song 'Syrous Darkness'___| |[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]| ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 11:34:41 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent #33 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent #33 Subject: Re: East Coast PA's (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199405251504.LAA29289@holmes.umd.edu> On Wed, 25 May 1994, Joe LeSesne wrote: > For instance, Synovial Fluid and Sputnik (I forget the number of this one) 4 > What Sputnik will have is a DJ Lineup that reads like who's who of the > East Coast DJ's. actually, joe, sputnik 4 probably isn't a good example for what you're trying to prove. the dj line up does have a lot of the most popular east coast dj's, but it also has 2 of sf's best underground dj's (dj efx + dj digit), chicago's derrick carter, detroit's john aquaviva (who is sure to play stuff not heard much at raves in the east). and these are just the u.s. dj's who aren't from the east coast. they have remy and sven coming in, luke slater.. lots of sounds that almost guarentee that this won't be the same east coast sound all night. and then, of course, disintegrator is doing a pa, which should have all the cynical house bashing types peeing in their obviously uncomfortable pants. so given all that, sputnik 4 looks like it will be a party that is pretty out of the ordinary for the east. there's a good diversity in there. of course, not *every* genre of techno/house is represented so i'm sure someone might say the party's going to suck. if i was going to be on the east coast the weekend sputnik is happening, i'd sure as hell be there. chris .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- `.; / ~. OO: ......sQuiShy Designs....... .' ;-- `.o.' email: squishy@world.std.com we think we're people ,' ; ~~--'~ ftp: ftp.std.com /pub/cmellow , ; ; ftp: amt.mit.edu /pub/jshiple _\\;_\\//_________ fingerforPGPpubkey ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 13:02:43 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Paul J Gaydos Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Paul J Gaydos Subject: Re: Boston Record Store In-Reply-To: <199405241619.MAA19504@holmes.umd.edu> the store is (da da dum): beats non-stop (!) 617 236- 6534 say hello to Paul Slater for me if ya get a chance. it goes without saying- your faithful boy PAUL PAUL On Tue, 24 May 1994, wrote: > Does anyone have any info on the new record store opening on Mass Ave in > Boston? I forgot what the name of it was, but I've heard that they have a > branch in LA. The panel said "coming soon..." > > JimmY |-|/\t > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 13:47:33 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , The Professional Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: The Professional Subject: Re: 611 Records In-Reply-To: <199405251124.HAA27386@holmes.umd.edu> nigel richards writes : > if you don't know about 611, please check it out as you may be > impressed. i also want to throw in my vote that 611 is practically the *best* record store i have shopped at hands-down. nigel is a great guy, the selection is always fresh and the service is above par. dieselBoy ..... .... ... . damian+@pitt.edu darknessKru inna year 4000 - i bring the trophy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 13:36:18 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: East Coast PA's > Honestly, at this point I don't go to raves for the music primarily > (though it's a big part). The music (to me) has stopped progressing. Sorry to hear that, but if you *are* interested in hearing new music, it sounds like you're going to the wrong parties. :) dave. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 13:31:35 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: East Coast PA's I think he meant to send this to the list... ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From cyberpun@wam.umd.edu Wed May 25 12:20:40 1994 Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 12:20:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Gil Yaker Subject: Re: East Coast PA's To: Dave McMahon On Wed, 25 May 1994, Dave McMahon wrote: > > > progressed..but the music doesn't progress week to week. If "new and > > innovative sounds and beats" were heard constantly on a week to week > > basis, no one would enjoy them. > ^^ ^^^ <------- BZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT!!! WRONG! > > *YOU* may not enjoy a constant flow of innovative *NEW* sounds, but > most of the people I know would disagree. > > My first reaction when I saw this statement was "What planet is he from?!??!", 1st: I appologize for generalizing. 2nd: define 'new and innovative sounds and beats' I don't want to seem to anal about this, but it really bugs me. Okay, New sounds - yeah we all love new sounds, I can't disagree with you there, but I bet that most people will always come back to and love the hammond organ sound, or a good housy piano. NOT that that is all they want to hear, but many (is that better than most?) people like those 'familiar noises' Beats: There are very few times when I've heard now and innovative beats. To me, 99% of everything is the same 4/4 beat, just different. If you scrolled through all the preset patterns on your drum machine, they are all for the most part the same. I mean the 'swing' and the 'samba' and the '16th' are all different, but all the '16th' or 'house' beats are the same - in a general sense. On an event-to -event basis, most beats are differnt, but they are all the same type. If they didn't have any difference then that would be boring as hell. I'll note on that 'trance europe express' collection, the track by Black Dog Prod. is in 3/4 and not 4/4. Thats innovative. Listen to The Young Gods - Most of their stuff is in 6/4 and some is in 7/8 or 5/4, thta's innovative. Let me go back to breakbeat again -it's all in a warped way the same beat. IT's all 4/4 music that's highly syncopated. And the variations between the groups are astounding, and that's what keeps my interest - the nuances, the 'signaturs' if you will. Honestly, at this point I don't go to raves for the music primarily (though it's a big part). The music (to me) has stopped progressing. That's not to say that I don't enjoy it, but I've heard it all before, and when something comes along that's new...that's great. Does anyone understand my point? :) -Gil ----- End Included Message ----- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:29:03 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Sweeney Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Sweeney Subject: Re: East Coast PA's (fwd) In-Reply-To: <94May25.114320edt.81422-4@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>; from "secret agent #33" at May 25, 94 11:34 am on the subject of choosing whether to go to Rave A featuring DJs Generic East Coast or Rave B featuring Djs Unknown.... one of the things that hasta be taken into account is the price for an event. if two raves both cost $15 most people (including me) will go to the one that has the familiar names. in part by the fact that we know who they are, that they can spin, and that they spin good music (or we think they do). however, not as many people will be willing to spend the exorbinant amount of money ($15 in this example) to hear people they've never of or from. it could be a total failure. the same holds true with the promotion companies. x amount to goto a party held by a well known co. or the same amount to go to a party held by bob's brand raves. this is assuming the tickets were all fairly expensive (+$10 in my mind). if all parties were like 5 bucks (or better yet, free =) people would get tired of hearing the same dj's and same music. a rather jumbled $.02 =) john aka harmon-e ---- john sweeney jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu binary sound(imprints) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 18:05:11 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Liza J. Weinstein" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Liza J. Weinstein" Subject: Re: New Boston Store (86 Mass. Ave.) In-Reply-To: <9405251503.AA34588@moose.uvm.edu> On Wed, 25 May 1994, Christopher R Dagdigian wrote: > The new store opening on Mass. Ave. in Boston is "BeatNonStop" > this is what their promo says; > ------------------------------ > > direct from the underground emerges....BeatNonStop > > L.A. Location; > 7262 Melrose Ave. > L.A., CA, 90046 > > voice:213.930.2121 > fax:213.930.1416 > world wide mailorder: 213.930.2187 > > > New Boston Location; > 86 Massachusetts Avenue > Boston, MA 02115-2157 > (corner of Common & Mass. Ave.) > > voice: 617.236.6534 > 617.236.4492 > fax: 617.236.4450 > > > carrying the largest selection of dance music > imports and domestics > 12 inch and cd's > > also carrying the best selection in men and women's clothing > > look for the grand opening of our Boston store > and party at the end of May 1994 with America's top dj's > call 617.236.6534 for party info > > > ---------------------------- > Well then, I have a feeling that the type of music will not change from what Boston Beat sold. BeatNonStop in L.A. sells all house. Actually, I went to BNS in January and asked them for some hard trance and they told me which other record stores to go to, which DJs to talk to, and directions, as well. They are some of the friendliest people I've met which was great, and they had some good tunes, but nothing too unusual. (Maybe I just didn't get there at a prime time). Hope everyone has a good summer... bye bye internet.... for now. -Liza ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 18:06:06 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MR CRAIG D ISRAELOFF Subject: Re: 611 Records Yet, another vote for 611...THE most happiest people around...Best selection of music in town (Unlike stores south of philly that only get 1 style of music, and about 5 new tracks a month! :) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:29:17 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: LAST CALL FOR NETHERWORLD well, theres about 1 week left before all submissions to NETherworld (you know, the super fantastic net-musician complilation tape) have to be in... i've gotten a bunch of quality material so far, but there are still slots left-so if you want to contribute to the tape, hurry up! the rules (once more, in case you forgot): contributions can be of any style that falls into the "dance" music category, songs have a time limit of about 6.5 min. cassette demos must be sent to me, and postmarked no later than june 1. certain tapes that people have promised me haven't been recieved yet-if you have any questions about your submission, please email me. it would be harsh if some great songs didn't get to me because of the mail system's mistakes. big shoutouts to all who have contributed so far: 187, offworld, tintinna- bulation, kingsize, induction, john sweeney, jamie myerson, area 51, and several others... address is 112 woodlane ct, glassboro nj 08028. send now! -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:41:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: coming soon: METHOD ONE "live transmission v 1.0" hiya everyone, this weekend i'm going to try to record my live set at blink (this saturday in long island) and make a few copies of it (if anyone's interested, that is). anyway, the info: METHOD ONE "LIVE TRANSMISSION v.1,0" (or something like that) recorded live at blink (5/28/94) the tape will probably contain about 6 or 7 tracks, and will probably run around 40 minutes or so. let me know if you're interested... -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:48:05 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Liza J. Weinstein" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Liza J. Weinstein" In-Reply-To: <9405251945.AA29841@moose.uvm.edu> Please unsubscribe me. No more computer for me. Sob Sob. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 19:41:37 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Liza J. Weinstein" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Liza J. Weinstein" Subject: Questionnaire In-Reply-To: <9405252124.AA76315@moose.uvm.edu> Well, I finally have the results to my study on MDMA and will post the averages of the responses for you as I had told you I would do. So here we go. 1. Age: average 22. range 18 - 31 years old. 2. Where are you living? U.S. 57.7% England 19.2% Canada 15.4% Norway 3.8% Amsterdam 3.8% 3. 50% work 4. 65.4% are in school Don't forget that these are averages! 5. 14.68 years of school completed. 6. 34.6% have been in trouble with the law, but mostly with petty crimes during adolescence. 7. Gender: Male - 68% Female - 32% 8. Race: White - 69.2% Black - 0% Asian - 15.4% Hispanic - 3.8% Other - 11.5% (many of which were 'human'). 9. Disorder: 7.7% assessed with a psychological disorder 10. Rehab: 7.7% have been to rehab. (All for drinking too much in high school). 11. All who responded obviously have done ecstasy, duh. 12. Age of first trying MDMA: 19.2 years. 13. How many taken in the past year: 11.5(avg.) 0 - 100(range). past 6 months: 5.5(avg.) 0 - 50(range). past month: 1.0(avg.) 0 - 10(range). past week: 0.3(avg.) 0 - 3(range). day: 0.1(avg.) 0 - 2(range). 14. Overall, how many e's one has taken in one's life: 24.5(avg.) 5 - 500 (range). [I had to exclude all the recipients who had taken ecstasy less than 5 times, for I did not feel that an experience or two would tell me much about one's use of MDMA and its effects. Sorry to all who responded, you were helpful, and I appreciate your input.] 15. How many times overall do you think you were given something other than MDMA, like ketamine or MDA? 36.7% of the time. 16. Average taken in one night: 1 17. 73% take them whole 27% take them in halves. 18. Average interval between taking halves is one hour and 22.5 minutes 19. The most popular effects while being on E are: rushes (73%) wrote down nausea (24%) " " talkative (35%) " " energy (85%) " " Euphoria (23%) " " happy (31%) " " disoriented (19%) " " touchy/sensuality (15%) " " 20. Average amount of time MDMA takes to affect: 42.5 minutes. 21. Other substances taken along with E: [Responses overlap... one person may do all of these] speed 19% said yes acid 42% " " pot 46% " " alcohol 4% " " ephedrine 19% " " And these substances are not always taken with MDMA, just sometimes. Pot seems to be used each time E is taken by the people who smoke it while on an E. 22. 39% have built a tolerance to MDMA, but not many of the people who responded have done it a lot, so I dont know if this question means much. If I had more responses from people who have taken E more than 50 times, maybe the results would have been different. Gotta love these 'exploratory' studies. 23. 76% of you read about MDMA, and 24% of you just eat them. 24. 7% of you took E back when they were legal... and they haven't changed if you get 'real' ones. It's just harder to find real ones nowadays. 25. If you could create your own drug 39% would like acidy effects and 83% would like MDMA effects, hence 22% would like a mixture of the two. Most also responded to it being healthy for you. :) 26. 80% of the participants say that their personality has changed since they have been using MDMA. 41% more easygoing 27% happier 23% more open 18% less stressed 14% more positive 14% more receptive 14% more confident 9% more patient 9% more understanding 5% more crazy 5% more irritable Now, these questions are open ended, hence, anything can be written. When I say that 41% are more easygoing, that means that 41% of the people wrote that down as a response. It's what came to their mind at that moment. But if I had used a questionnaire with answers for them to check as true or false, I'm sure the results would change dramatically. In short, these percentages may not be 'true'. This questionnaire is more an agent in deciding what type of responses to put into a more formal questionnaire in the future. So if you find yourself shocked at some of these results, you have every right to be. ok back to data. 27. Motives for using E: To get a rush: 81% To escape: 15% To take risks: 7% To alleviate depression: 0% To get a high: 100% To socialize: 58% To use for recreation: 81% To use for more energy: 80% For more creativity: 23% To enhance to sound of music and the sight of flashing lights: 73% Other: 50% (Mostly sex and conversation). Now this was not an open-ended question. All of these responses were on the questionnaire, and the participants had to check off which ones applied to them. This was my only question like this. I like these much better. I wish I could have used more! 28. 48% of you have had adverse experiences with MDMA, but mostly due to it being cut with crap drugs. 29. 20% of you know someone who has overdosed on MDMA, but your reasons are because the person was taking other drugs along with MDMA, or the person had heart problems. 30. 8% of you say that all of your friends do ecstasy 31. 40% of you say that all of your freinds do drugs. 32. Importance of doing ecstasy: low: 56% medium: 36% high: 8% 33. Where do you usually do E? parties/clubs: 60% raves: 64% home: 12% 34. 100% answered that you would rather to E with others than alone, yet one person said they like to do it alone as well. 35. 88.5% plan on doing E and 30% said it's by chance. Hence 18.5% said both. 36. 92% said they would do E in a strange place. 37. 69% HAVE RULES ABOUT DOING E: (open-ended question here!) Dont do too many drink lots of water dont do it alone keep active know who you buy it from do it in a good environment 38. 72% said that MDMA is easy to acquire, for them. 39. 15.4% have dealt E 40. Average price paid for E is $25.00 41. 16% say they someone who has gotten into legal difficulties with their use of E, but they all said that it was getting caught dealing it, not when actually using it. So keep that in mind. 42. 0% said they would steal for Ecstasy. (GOOD!) 43. 85% said they could keep E around without using them up quickly. 44. Activities enjoyed while on E: (Open-ended) listening to and making music: 35% dancing: 85% socializing: 65% physical affection: 39% being with friends: 35% 45. 71% say that they like to do E in a particular place 42% say any place will do. I assume some people would think of a particular place some nights, and any place on other nights...the %ages overlap. 46. If you were to tell a novice 3 important things about E, they would be: 1) Drink water (58%) 2) Move around (23%) 3) Dont buy it from a stranger (19%) 47. This information came from: experience: 50% books: 12% alt.drugs etc. : 15% other people: 35% 48. Before trying MDMA, you felt: scared about it: 20% curious about it: 56% not sure: 24% 49. 50% say these feeling changed once they tried it....100% for the better. 50. 92.3% of you have refused certain drugs: crack, heroin, cocaine, tranquilizers, PCP, Ice Mostly becuase they are: addictive: 36% dirty: 16% risky: 16% not interested: 20% 51. Drugs participants would like to try: DMT, cocaine, peyote, mecaline, and opium. They have not been tried because they are either too hard to find, or too expensive. 52. What do you feel closer to? Drugworld: 48% Nondrugworld: 24% Both: 28% 53. 91% said that they feel laws relating to drugs are too harsh. 54. 83% said they would like to see MDMA legalized. 55. If MDMA were legalized, 42% said that their use would change, and it 4~ would would increase. 54% said their use would not change. 56. 91% said they feel fine about their current pattern of use. 91% are satisfied 8% think they are using too much 66.7% would like to use more. Thanks to all who participated. This was a 'leap of faith' study (Aronson) which will hopefully be used for more formal studies in the future. These results do not exactly represent the entire population of people who use MDMA, for many reasons. There are problems with this questionnaire as well. Like many studies, we should try to use this as a story, not a truth. If you would like more details about this, you can reach me at (802) 660-2076. I will no longer be on the internet as of today, for I have finally graduated and am getting out of this place! Hooray. I plan on getting back on the net soon in the future. Take care! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 20:03:12 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: 611 Records In-Reply-To: <199405251750.NAA01015@holmes.umd.edu> On Wed, 25 May 1994, The Professional wrote: > i also want to throw in my vote that 611 is practically the > *best* record store i have shopped at hands-down. nigel is > a great guy, the selection is always fresh and the service > is above par. I want to second that vote. When I went to Philly early this year, back in Jan after New Years I went to 611 and was !blown away! by the selection. And Nigel is the best. You get to hear what you want and he lets the record or CD (yes they have the absolutely best selection of underground CD's too). speak for itself. Some record store proprietors try to pressure you into buying the stuff they are having a hard time moving while stiring you away from the good stuff that they put on display but are secretly saving for their friends. You'll find none of that a 611. It's definately worth the trip. Some of my friends in the Philly area have got nothing but quality CD's and vinyl from 611. In short, Nigel runs a very professional, yet friendly store with great selection. I even have 611 stickers on my 303 :) (BTW: Nigel if your reading this I'll be sending you a tape shortly) Joe |[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]| |------------------------1-8-7_____________Wicked_Rides_to_the_Darkside__| |[][][][][][][][][] Jungle/Darkness/Hard Acid *live* PAs (performances)__| |[][][][][][][] email raver909@telerama.lm.com for bookings info & demo__| |[][][][][] Or ftp sfraves.stanford.edu for the song 'Syrous Darkness'___| |[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]| > darknessKru inna year 4000 - i bring the trophy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 20:30:03 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Rave A vs Rave B In-Reply-To: <199405252029.QAA02555@holmes.umd.edu> On Wed, 25 May 1994, John Sweeney wrote: > on the subject of choosing whether to go to Rave A featuring DJs Generic > East Coast or Rave B featuring Djs Unknown.... > > one of the things that hasta be taken into account is the price for an > event. if two raves both cost $15 most people (including me) will go to > the one that has the familiar names. in part by the fact that we know > who they are, that they can spin, and that they spin good music (or we think > they do). however, not as many people will be willing to spend the > exorbinant amount of money ($15 in this example) to hear people they've > never of or from. it could be a total failure. Well back in the old days know one knew "who's who". So what you are saying is you will only go to raves that will give you the same names you know will spin your favorite song/music. What ever happened to the East Coastr ethic of driving 9 hours to a rave that had DJ's you didn't know from Adam. If know one had done that, these names you are so attached to would never have become as known to you as they are now. With out this the scene will further stagnate. > the same holds true with the promotion companies. x amount to goto a > party held by a well known co. or the same amount to go to a party held > by bob's brand raves. Well I can somewhat agree with this because in light of the disasters like Raveland, Flesh, Pleasuredome, etc people have become leary of going to events thrown by someone without a track record. However how many raves have you been to that were thrown by reputable promoters that ended equally disasterous. Remmember Liquid Holiday? And I'm sure there were others. I even heard of a Storm event that didn't come off so well. Anyway the main point of what you are saying is that a new promoter must suffer a loss the first two or maybe three times while still building a reputation before you will truck to their event? > this is assuming the tickets were all fairly expensive (+$10 in my > mind). if all parties were like 5 bucks (or better yet, free =) people > would get tired of hearing the same dj's and same music. The ticket price for the rave in question, Synovial Fluid are $8 in advanced or $10 at the door as opposed to Sputnik IV's $18 in advance $20 day of the event. So this is a moot argument. And as I said both events are both going to have the standard laser, intellabeams, etc. Oh well. > a rather jumbled $.02 =) > john aka harmon-e I'll say, more like $0.05 :) > ---- > john sweeney Joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 20:51:34 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: coming soon: METHOD ONE "live transmission v 1.0" In-Reply-To: <01HCRN9MQ974003FBU@urvax.urich.edu> On Wed, 25 May 1994 LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu wrote: > hiya everyone, > > this weekend i'm going to try to record my live set at blink (this saturday Whew, this reminded me. I meant to make this availble much sooner but I forgot. Anyway a few weeks ago I played a set at this nice outdoor event at CMU in Pittsburgh, called Fluid. The tape also has a set from Ne-Raves own DJ Inhuman and one from Sleepy C from Cleveland. Sets appear in this order: Inhuman - groooooovin house! The kind I like. 187 featuring MC Spade 1(not my MC) and the songs Our Love, , and Six is the Sign. Sleepy C - nice trancy stuff. The total run time of it is under 60 minutes. Cost: Send me a blank 60 minute tape and $1.50 for postage and handling or 4 IRC's if you're outside the States. Joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 21:30:27 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rachel J Wakefield Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rachel J Wakefield Subject: Re: coming soon: METHOD ONE "live transmission v 1.0" In-Reply-To: <199405252341.TAA04256@holmes.umd.edu> On Wed, 25 May 1994 LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET wrote: > hiya everyone, > > this weekend i'm going to try to record my live set at blink (this saturday > in long island) and make a few copies of it (if anyone's interested, that is). > anyway, the info: > > METHOD ONE "LIVE TRANSMISSION v.1,0" (or something like that) > recorded live at blink (5/28/94) > > the tape will probably contain about 6 or 7 tracks, and will probably run > around 40 minutes or so. let me know if you're interested... > > -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu > hey jason, yea we're interested in your taped p.a.. we're curious about what your style is like. if you can e-mail a response to us with a lowdown on what styles you are going to deal with when you cut this, we'll let you know how many we'd like and all kinds of other goods. we got a zine going on and issue two is due soon. let us know if yer interested there too. we have a good [far from great] thing going on up here and would like to listen to what you have. i [mark] dj with matt at a college radio station an hour north of boston. we do a underground techno show every friday and have done so since 1991. we're also kind of new to the net and its etiquette but we're glad people like you are around to keep us alive and happy. new hampshire is a lousy place for kids and little tolerance is taken with any scene by cops, politicians, the state, etc... luckily there's no real "scene" nor herd so maybe some stuff could be gotten away with. this radio station is our thing. i'll end this here and tell you more if you're up to it. i just wanted to tell you about our interest but i'm starting to babble. any response is appreciated. take car, mark passive & dj goa: wunh-fm durham rachelw@christa.unh.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 21:55:22 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Chris C. Kozup" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Chris C. Kozup" Subject: Re: coming soon: METHOD ONE "live transmission v 1.0" In-Reply-To: <199405260052.UAA04722@holmes.umd.edu> from "Joe LeSesne" at May 25, 94 08:51:34 pm > at CMU in Pittsburgh, called Fluid. The tape also has a set from Ne-Raves > own DJ Inhuman and one from Sleepy C from Cleveland. > Sets appear in this order: > Inhuman - groooooovin house! The kind I like. > 187 featuring MC Spade 1(not my MC) and the songs Our Love, > , and Six is the Sign. > Sleepy C - nice trancy stuff. > The total run time of it is under 60 minutes. > Cost: Send me a blank 60 minute tape and $1.50 for postage and handling > or 4 IRC's if you're outside the States. > > Joe > I am interested, what is your address?? -- Chris Kozup ckozup@ace.cs.ohiou.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 21:55:05 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Sjakie Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Sjakie Subject: 611 RECORDS Yup yet another vote! [you all knew that!]...great CD selection! always has latest Thunderdome CDs and gabber records... no attitude no bs! 611 is the way to go! Jake Melon melon@access.netaxs.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 22:14:35 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJ PaniK Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJ PaniK Subject: Re: 611 Records In-Reply-To: <199405251750.NAA01015@holmes.umd.edu> Also, add my vote to 611. I am a regular customer and I always walk out with the hottest trax, even stuff some of the 'big' names do not have. Nigel just makes sure that all DJ's, music shoppers, etc. do not have an upper hand on each other. He will never hold a hot track under the counter just because he is saving it for a 'famous' DJ. Try it out! It is also a great place to hang out and hear the latest music, keep updated on upcoming raves, and other shit. Peace! PaniK ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 23:33:15 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Re: East Coast PA's (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199405252029.QAA02555@holmes.umd.edu> John Sweeney elaborated on a previous message: >the same holds true with the promotion companies. x amount to goto a >party held by a well known co. or the same amount to go to a party held >by bob's brand raves. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey, I didn't even know I had my own brand of rave. -- Bob ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 00:39:22 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: 611 Records wow! the only thing i don't like about 611 records... is the fact that there is not one next door :) rave on! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 01:07:01 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: new music at raves? hmm, i saw something about going to raves to hear new music??? not sure about that one. i GO to raves to have fun. i kind of like hearing classics once in a while. i remember Moby saying something about playing classics. even though i no longer patronize his musical endeavours anymore, i agree with his statement... a while ago when i spun at Sunshine in upstate NY, i played NEW NEW and OLD OLD music (Frozen Bass' "Believe This" crossfaded into Phuture's "Acid Tracks"). the crowd didn't care, they were there to dance, not to analyze the music. i spun the classic cut "Energy Flash" by joey beltram...later that night my friends on the floor said that it was the best songthat anybody spun during the event... go figure! i will be the first to admit that i really don't have much of any disposable cash to toss into the latest DJAX releases. it'll probably be quite some time before i get the new "Bad Acid? No Such Thing" 12". idesire it, but i am not going crazy because i can't afford it... if i decide to spin Richie Hawtin's "Spastik" two years from now at some big rave, i don't think that anyone will throw a fit... they shouldn't if they were there to dance... my philosophy is to purchase the music that you like to spin. create your mixes from music taht you like... not just the top five techno hits of the week. i gave up getting NEW NEW music to get the OLD OLD song "Video Crash" by Tyree... that song is over 6 and a half years old! all the times i spun it that crowd went bazerk! maybe the best music is not the latest music... the best music is just a collection of sounds and beats that create a wonderful feeling in the dancers... no matter how old it is! rave on! tell me what you guys and girls think... 1000 ps...it'll be some time before a techno song comes out that can reliably pack the floors like "Acid Crash" could years ago. agree? maybe :) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 01:10:59 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: LAST CALL FOR NETHERWORLD damn! i won't bea able to make the deadline on this one :( if the first tape soars... will there be a Vol II? or is this a one-shot? 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 02:09:49 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , AMWALCZA@INDYVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Amy M. Walczak" Subject: Re: East Coast PA's (fwd) well... hmmm... actually, i totally forget a lot of what has been said already.. but i might as well go ahead... i've been going to a lot of parties... not necessarily in the north-east.. actually the mid-west.. (you care) but.. i for a while, i thought we all went to these events for the same reasons.. but.. THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR THINKING :) i mostly go to events to see my friends that i don't get to see during the week.. and to meet tons of new friends i also go for the "vibe" and the music.. but i really don't know if i go to ONLY hear new music.. yea.. i start to hear a lot of the same stuff being played by a lot of the same d.j.'s, but then again, d.j.'s around here tend to travel as much as we do.. (last weekend we traveled 6 hours to pollenation.. once again.. you probobly don't care :)) but, (shit, i have no clue now why i'm writing.. this sucks :) ) let's say that rave a is in st.louis with d.j.'s 1,2,3... and that rave b is in pittsburgh with d.j.s 4,5,6... if admission was $15 for either party.. i guess we'd just take a group vote and go either way... it wouldn't really matter who was spinning where, cuz we're out to have a good time.. and *usually* one can here pretty good schtuff no matter where they go.. i figure, events are what you make them.. and if you'll "work" with it, you'll have fun... i also figure... TAKE A CHANCE! JUST GO! you'll have a good time.. cuz you'll be with people you like, and you'll probobly meet some great new people.. and learn a lot.. we're planning on hitting rave the bay.. (with some help from the gods) and we'll be back in july.. also pittsburgh and clevelan.. i'm soo looking forward to this.. cuz new scenes and new people will only help me to appreciate ALLOFTHIS.. ya know? so, anyway, maybe i'm just rambling.. which isn't new... just say "whatthefuckeveramy" and move on :) :) piglet* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:25:04 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: Re: new music at raves? > my philosophy is to purchase the music that you like to spin. create your > mixes from music taht you like... not just the top five techno hits of the > week. i gave up getting NEW NEW music to get the OLD OLD song "Video Crash" > by Tyree... that song is over 6 and a half years old! all the times i spun > it that crowd went bazerk! maybe the best music is not the latest music... > the best music is just a collection of sounds and beats that create a > wonderful feeling in the dancers... no matter how old it is! Been a while since I rode a discussion for this long!! whew....! Anyhow, just to comment on 1000's point (and a good one at that)... I've personally found from experience and listening that it isn't necessarily *OLD* or *CLASSIC* music that is painful to hear. On the contrary, good OLD or CLASSIC stuff is nice to hear in the context of newer music. The thorn in my dancing shoes comes from *FAMILIAR* music. Now, of course that's COMPLETELY subjective and knowing what is FAMILIAR (and whether that's important or not) depends on your taste/audience/crowd. I mean, I know stuff that's 1 month old and SO familiar right now, I can't stand to hear it! On the other hand, if I hear Adam X spin, I might hear something that I've never heard before that's 6 months old and I'm psyched to hear it. IMHO, "older"/"classic" tracks can/should be played amongst newer music, but depending on how familiar they are (this is subjective, of course) to your audience (take your best guess. you *are* a dj right?! :) ), only bits and pieces should be used to fill and teaze the mix. It's a tough call to play a really familair track front to back and carry it off well (to a certain crowd). What really gets me going is to hear a DJ cut in pieces of a familiar record into a newer one. That's get's me saying "Hey! Cool. That's _______", and before you know it it's gone again. Anyhow, this is only my opinion, of course, and everyone's got a different idea of what "raves" are for and what kind of music they like to hear... blah, blah, blah... dave. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:55:14 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Brian Shaad Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Brian Shaad Subject: Re: 611 Records In-Reply-To: <9405260012.AA93048@acs.bu.edu>; from "Joe LeSesne" at May 25, 94 8:03 pm I have been trying to get removed from this list...can someone please get my name removed. -thanks --superboy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 14:18:33 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Chris C. Kozup" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Chris C. Kozup" Subject: Re: 611 RECORDS In-Reply-To: <199405260155.VAA05065@holmes.umd.edu> from "Sjakie" at May 25, 94 09:55:05 pm WOW.. all this talk about 611 records! I wish that I could go and check it out!! :) I am a little far for just a sunday drive though :( Chris Kozup ckozup@ace.cs.ohiou.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 16:10:57 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , TSIMPSON@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Terence Simpson Subject: megarave in the grand canyon?? Has anyone heard about some huge rave in the Grand Canyon? Someone in Liquid Sky in NYC asked me about it yesterday and I read a post asking about it on seraves. peace terence ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 16:18:20 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Subject: Re: megarave in the grand canyon?? I have a friend who just moved out to the Grand Canyon for the summer. I will ask her if any promo is being done out there. Seems like that should be a good place to start the search for info unless someone else has any info on it? Noj ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 16:38:38 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Re: Mental Cybertribe, Anyone going to Mental on Sunday night? Peace, Mars ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 17:10:34 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Yawp! Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Yawp! ****************************************************************************** * NE-RAVES / V-RAVE BIRTHDAY-O-MATIC * * June of 1994 * ****************************************************************************** 06/02/75 Leah Reich aka leah diva@uclink.berkeley.edu 06/06/69 Joachim Vance aka joachim jvance@leakey.oac.uci.edu 06/25/74 John Jackson aka Noj jacksonj@vxc.uncwil.edu 06/26/71 Tina Chan aka sun(flower) a1tchan@lucy.wellesley.edu 06/27/68 Jon Drukman aka jon jdrukman%dlsun87@us.oracle.com 06/28/78 John Sweeney aka harmon-e jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu 06/29/72 Chris Hilker aka cspot cspot@netcom.com 06/29/?? John Speakman aka john speakman@biost.mskcc.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, there you have it. The June Birthday-O-Matic. Sorry it is so late this month! If you would like to be on future BOoMs, please e-mail me before the 15th of the month BEFORE your birthday. After that, it won't be posted until the following year... Happy Birthdays and *wfs* :) -jetta. -- jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 16:53:28 ES Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Jessie Zoldak Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jessie Zoldak Subject: Re: megarave in the grand canyon?? >Has anyone heard about some huge rave in the Grand Canyon? Maybe you mean the Rainbow Gathering? -- JessieZ jessiez.notes@notesteam.lotus.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 17:54:59 -0400 Reply-To: sparacod@bcvms.bc.edu Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "" Subject: ROM!!?? Hey all, Can someone please foreward me the ROM? I accidentally deleted it. oops. thanks dan sparacod@bcvms.bc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 19:59:21 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Re: 611 RECORDS In-Reply-To: <199405261818.OAA11059@holmes.umd.edu> ME TOO! I like going to 611 and I don't even buy music. It's funny, I usually head up with DJs chomping at the bit to hit the store and we get there and I just feel comfortable hanging out on those bar stool seats. (The ones that look like the covering was ripped straight off a dairy cow and added to a set of giant daddylonglegs legs, I swear, no drugs). Besides there is a kinda neat building across the street. :) Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 20:47:44 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Test Hey, you guys over at Mindvox getting this? Dan Just trying to keep the list flowing smoothly. ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 21:07:14 +0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Joe LeSesne Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Fluid tape correction.. I just realized that I didn't include my address in the message that got sent out. Here is the correct message. > hiya everyone, > > this weekend i'm going to try to record my live set at blink (this saturday Whew, this reminded me. I meant to make this availble much sooner but I forgot. Anyway a few weeks ago I played a set at this nice outdoor event at CMU in Pittsburgh, called Fluid. The tape also has a set from Ne-Raves own DJ Inhuman and one from Sleepy C from Cleveland. Sets appear in this order: Inhuman - groooooovin house! The kind I like. 187 featuring MC Spade 1(not my MC) and the songs Our Love, Acidiferous , and Six is the Sign. Sleepy C - nice trancy stuff. The total run time of it is under 60 minutes. Cost: Send me a blank 60 minute tape and $1.50 for postage and handling or 4 IRC's if you're outside the States. My address is: 187 4014 Stilwell St. Pittsburgh, PA 15214-1739 Joe ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 03:42:16 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: LI's FMR Hi again, Well, tonight's party started to go off, but didn't quite make it. I arrived at the site around 10:30 PM, and only a few people were there; the system had not been set up. Finally, around 11, the generator was hooked up, but kept sputtering out. The music didn't really get started until 11:30. While the sound system was being set up, I got a chance to check out the location. It was an abandoned office space, where the entire floor was covered with deep sand. I felt like I was dancing at Jones Beach. Some of the crowd was friendly, but the majority of the people there were very cliquish. One guy gave me a beer, and another fellow that I had met at a previous party offered to let me smoke a bowl with him. Other than that, I felt sort of left out, which I've never felt like at a party before. It was really strange. Anyway, the music started off housey, and that's where it stayed, because at 1:30, we suffered a double whammy. The generator died out, and John Q. Law arrived. It was too bad, because local DJ Omar was supposed to play, and I even saw Frankie Bones there. A backup location was supposed to be at a local flea market nearby. By the time the convoy left, a lot of the people were becoming drunk and obnoxious. A fight almost broke out between two guys, where one fellow was jumping on the hoods of cars to avoid pursuit. After waiting around for a half hour and nothing happeninng, I left. Aside from the cops, this could have been a really good party. However, I got the impression that the FMR was more of a night out away from the parents for most of the kids there. Like I mentioned to some of the folks on vrave, I felt like I was the movie "Dazed and Confused", at their high school graduation party. Kudos to those who went to the trouble of renting equipment and a generator. If you're reading this, it was appreciated. Virtually yours, Bob "Moonless" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 08:34:33 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , miss treat Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: miss treat Subject: ALBANY, NY Microrave this friday in albany, ny is e=mc^2 with dj's: Scott Richmond (fusion) Klokwerk (pure energy) Medicine Man (kung-fu 2000) Discorery (kung-fu 2000) Swami (New York) 11pm - 6am, price of admittance is 6 clams, for info call: (518) 43-birth (914) 563-6481 hope to see you all there......I will be hosting it..... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 09:57:17 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Natalie J Olkwitz Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Natalie J Olkwitz Subject: :) In-Reply-To: <199405271241.IAA21095@holmes.umd.edu> from "miss treat" at May 27, 94 08:34:33 am *Great big huge smoochies* :) it's such a wondermous day i though i would smooch you all :) Have a groovy day cuddles and smooOooOOchies Silly little buttercup ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 11:37:24 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dave McMahon Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dave McMahon Subject: NEAU OUTLAW UPDATE Hi all, just an update for tonight's OUTLAW party in Stow, MA. Please read the directions carefully. See you there!! Friday MAY 27th Stow, MA (617) 424 - 7183 N.E.A.U. OUTLAW djm@progress.com N E A U 's OUTDOOR OUTLAW EVENT DJ's: * Joel (Alien House/NEAU) * DJM (Space Lab/NEAU) * Spiderman (NEAU) * Calvin (WDJM Framingham State) * KJ (San Fransicso, CA) And from LA, California, a live PA from Medicine Show (Lick Records, LA) Time: 11:30pm - 7am Cost: $5 donation DIRECTIONS: >From NH: Take 93 South to 495 South >From Boston: Take 90 West to 495 North >From points South of Boston: Take 495 North Take exit 27 (Bolton/Stow/117) off of 495. Take 117 E. 4-5 miles to Stow shopping ctr. After shopping ctr you'll see a cemetary on the left. Take an immediate right onto a dirt road. Take road straight to a stop sign. In front of you, you'll see a gate. Go through the gate and follow that road down to the right. Stay on this road over a stream for a 1000 feet or so and park with the other cars. You'll hear us over a small hill. Walk up and over the hill and you'll see us. (Be subtle about driving into this area and try not to attract any attention.:) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 12:53:07 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: Don't Forget! BLINK this saturday! just in case you didn't see my last post, or need a good party to go to this weekend, or just need something to read-once again, i give you the info for this week's BLINK up in long island: BLINK-Saturday, May 28 1994 DJs: NIGEL RICHARDS (611 recs, Philly) SCOTT RICHMOND (Satellite NET, NYC) DIESELBOY (Pittsburg's Breakbeat King) KARL & KAOS (Philly's Dynamic Duo in tag team action) MTG (long island) PANIK (philly underground) ENCORE LIVE PERFORMANCE BY: METHOD ONE (trancefused, richmond/philly) $8 with invite, $10 without (*netravers automatically get the reduced price*) INFO/DIRECTIONS: 516.476.1194 this should be a sweeeeet party....the lineup is great and the space is WONDERFUL.....plenty of that warehouse type atmosphere (and FREE secure parking, too) and this is also %100 secure-they actually OWN the space, so it's not gonna get busted see ya there! -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 15:07:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Hossam A. El-Saie" Subject: BLINK! hey netravers...:P after a long 3 week hiatus involuntarily imposed on me...I AM FINALLY GOING OUT AGAIN...:) yep, me goldenboy (cleveland) and dB are going to blink..(dB's spinning)..so whos gonan be there? i know method1 is...and i know derek tiffany is gonna be there, and i heard ned (snapplechuck) is gonna be there...so i hope to see alot of you out in l.i. sat nite! oh, and would anyone have possible crash space/showers available for three tired travellers after the party? *puppy dog eyes* fish? bob? :) lemme know...we are leaving pittsburgh *early* tomorrow morning... SEE YOU THERE! :) peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie hae2@po.cwru.edu 412.682.0911 pittsburgh pa **big phat bass soaked beats** vrave: sphinx Eisforenergyempathyexcitemententertainmentepiphanyecstasyenjoymenteducation entropyedificationetc *its all about the vibe...* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 20:37:00 GMT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , mhv@HRCMS.ATT.COM Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "discussion " Subject: Ever have one of those days??? Cybertribe, Talk about getting up on the wrong side of the bed... "Student slays family, says he had `bad day' UNION, KY.: A high school honors student killed his parents and two sisters yesterday, calmly went to trigonometry class, showed the teacher and class- mates his gun and surrendered, saying "I've had a bad day," authorities said. Clay Shrout, 17, described by one neighbor as "really wierd" and always dressed in black, was charged with four counts of murder. Union is a rural, affluent suburb of Cincinnati. -reprinted from Press wire service reports (Friday, May 27, 1994) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 17:19:59 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MONO Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MONO Subject: what if... i was wondering the other day....if i wasn't into raves and the *culture* involved in it, what would i be into....i figured i'd be a classic rock junkie and this struck me as odd (maybe it's the quasi-hippy and drug connection thang)....but then again maybe it's not so odd...i heard simon and garfunkel's sicilia (sp?) on the radio the other day....and it had a pretty good tribal beat ;) (maybe someone should sample it...;) ) does anyone else ever think about this or is it just me....???? aaron@number9number9number9number9number9number9number9number9number9number9... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .________mono________________________stu_awmeyers@vax1.acs.jmu.edu____________. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 17:34:37 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent boy Subject: Re: what if... In-Reply-To: <199405272121.RAA25635@holmes.umd.edu> i'd probably be at cedar point with handi on the demon drop. we'd be eating elephant ears and spilling sodas on each other, but with the biggest smiles, and we'd ride all the rides until we absolutely posotutley couldn't puke anymore. and this isn't even taking into account the water park section of it that they opened not so long ago. that would be a whole 'nother story. a new sack of beans, if you catch my drift. one things certain, there'd be more fried dough kickin around than you can shake a stick at. chris .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- `.; / ~. OO: ......sQuiShy Designs....... .' ;-- `.o.' email: squishy@world.std.com we think we're people ,' ; ~~--'~ ftp: ftp.std.com /pub/cmellow , ; ; ftp: amt.mit.edu /pub/jshiple _\\;_\\//_________ fingerforPGPpubkey ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 18:05:42 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: JACKSONJ@VXC.OCIS.UNCWIL.EDU Subject: Re: Ever have one of those days??? Hey, everybody should know not to mess with a kentucky country boy :) I used to live in KY for quite a few years but I'm not sure if that is something that I want people to know :) Noj -----a country boy can survive, until that damn electric chair waxes his butt. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 19:17:39 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , 6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: The Fiend <6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU> Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: blink i should be at blink. if anyone (1 or 2 ppl most) need a ride there, lemme know, i'll try and hook ya up. hossam, sorry i cant offer space, but a friend of mine who's coming to blink from south jersey will be crashing here, and my parents arent too keen on 5 or 6 ppl sleeping in one bedroom :). does anyone know if theres gonna be an afterparty for blink? the fiend ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 20:05:35 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.BITNET Subject: Re: possible blink afterparty? the fiend writes: does anyone know if theres gonna be an afterparty for blink? well, im sure if enough people are there the blink guys will throw an after- party right at the spot...they were going to have an afterparty last week, but not enough people were there....something will happen, if there's enough interest -jason/method one ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 20:40:45 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , 6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: The Fiend <6ANTHONY_M@SPCVXA.SPC.EDU> Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: possible blink afterparty? >well, im sure if enough people are there the blink guys will throw an after- >party right at the spot...they were going to have an afterparty last week, >but not enough people were there....something will happen, if there's >enough interest Ok, sounds phat. BTW: Tonight I'm heading over to Bliss with Boris, who's on ne-raves too I think. He's always on vrave. Anyhow, if your heading over there, say hi. the fiend ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 01:37:02 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJ PaniK Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJ PaniK Subject: VRAVE VRAVE is back. PaniK ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 02:53:36 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: what if... samples???? oooh, i am gonna sample a certain pink floyd song that has a hell of a tribal sample.... as soon as the sampler gets down to Corning form Rochester :( i noticed that there's some real coool 60's stuff that'd be great to sample sicilia sample? i agree also, consult Eric Burdon & the Animals for some tribal stompers nothing will beat Country Joe & the Fish's "Eastern Jam" for that european- style martial drumbeat.... yep, someone else HAS thought of it :) rave on! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 11:42:06 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Thomas C Butcher Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Thomas C Butcher Subject: Re: coming soon: METHOD ONE "live transmission v 1.0" In-Reply-To: <199405252341.TAA04256@holmes.umd.edu> I don't know if I sent you a reply yet or not, but I'm definitely interested in getting a copy of that tape- also I wanna get a copy of Functional, so let me know what to do :). See ya Tom ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 12:02:42 EDT Reply-To: aboulanger@ldgo.columbia.edu Sender: NE Raves Discussion Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was aboulang@LAMONT.LDGO.COLUMBIA.EDU From: "Albert G. Boulanger" Subject: Re: possible blink afterparty? (Blink the Bliss) In-Reply-To: The Fiend's message of Fri, 27 May 1994 20:40:45 -0400 <9405280042.AA09286@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> Ok, sounds phat. BTW: Tonight I'm heading over to Bliss with Boris, who's on ne-raves too I think. He's always on vrave. Anyhow, if your heading over there, say hi. Speaking of Bliss, I was there. The music played was interesting Friday -- the best way I can describe it is hard Nervous Records. What is this stuff? There was one song they played that sampled Ba-Ba-Lou from Desi Arnaz (sp?). Quite Funny. Truthfully, Bliss seems to have a lack of vibe. This was true both times I have been there. I actually enjoyed the Tunnel on Thursday better. This is coming from the view of someone who frequented the Boston techno nights. People seem to sit a lot in NYC athough Tunnel was better in this regards. I may be at Blink. PS: There is going to be a disco skaters' reunion at the Wollman rink in Central Park Sunday from 4-9PM. Age 25 and older. 6.50 admission. I will be there. Regards, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@ldeo.columbia.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 16:58:27 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Ian Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Ian Subject: Laws in Boston? Can somebody tell me exactly what the laws in Boston state about events? Is it true that they have to be finished by 1 AM? Would anyone be interested in an effort to try and convince the city council to change their stance on these laws? Thanks, Ian ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 18:23:32 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: An Obscene Phone Callers Worst Nightmare! (fwd) I thought this was funny. Just thought someone else might get a giggle. BTW, this is danFREELove being in an altergo. Dan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 MAY 94 19:30:04 EDT From: Tracy Schuhwerk Subject: An Obscene Phone Callers Worst Nightmare! [Originally posted to alt.shenanigans] I don't know if this qualifies as a "shenanigan" or not, but last I night had some fun with an obscene phone caller! Before reading this, I have to tell you that I am a male. Having the first name Tracy leads to stuff like this happening from time to time... [ Some names have been changed to protect the ignorant ] The Scene: 3:30 in the morning, my bedroom... last night. I'm dead asleep! You hear the ringing of a the phone right behind my head on the head board. [RING] Tracy: "Huh?" [RING] Tracy (picking up the phone): "Hello?" Mysterious Caller: (In a deep raspy voice) "I want to lick your [fill in the blanks here]"... Tracy (mind still fogged with sleep): [Silence] [Click] The phone hangs up... Tracy (looking at his caller ID system): "Cool..." I get up and jot down the phone number... This is where the fun begins! Since I am now awake and will need a few minutes to get my blood pressure back down to somewhat near normal, I decided to have fun with the obscene caller! I went down to my PC and fired it up... tossed the US Residential Phone Book CD ROM for the mid-west into the drive and did a quick search on the phone number I jotted down from the caller ID. Within seconds, I had the name and address attached to the number! Michael Smith, 837 Appletree Lane... Got it... This is going to be fun! After jotting down the information, I grab the phone... [RING] (A familiar voice answers the phone... it is the person who called me just minutes before) Michael: "Hello??" Tracy (In a well practiced "Voice of Pure Evil"(tm)): "Hello Michael, remember me? You wanted to lick me..." [CLICK] (The "VoPE" is best described as James Earl Jones having a "Bad Voice Day"...) I waited about 5 minutes... and picked the phone up again... [RING] [RING] Michael: "Uh, Hello??" Tracy (using the "VoPE" again): "837 Appletree Lane, Michael... I know where you live!" [CLICK] One more time... waiting about 5 minutes... I pick up the phone... [RING] [RING] [RING] Michael (voice a bit shaky): "He... Hello???" Tracy (once again, the "VoPE"): "I'm coming for you Michael!" I went back to bed... :-) I think Michael might have had trouble doing that himself! Isn't technology GRAND! :-) -- Tracy Schuhwerk -- Selected by Maddi Hausmann Sojourner. MAIL your joke to funny@clarinet.com. Attribute the joke's source if at all possible. A Daemon will auto-reply. Please don't send us requests of the form, "could you please send me the joke about XXX?" Yes, we have it, but if we were willing to let ourselves be a joke server we would spend all day doing it. We reject all such requests. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 21:52:15 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Biscuit Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Biscuit Subject: BLISS Before I sighn off, here's a party some of my friend are having this summer. BLISS June 18 Montreal DJ's Bob Bentley This party is taking place in an Dante airport hanger about 15 min. from 333 Montreal. Tiga It is an indoor/outdoor event Interchill There will be chill-out plane rides Mini Mono in the morning for a small fee (25$)! Intelligent lighting and a hardcore posse will definatly Kick-It see ya.. lines (514) 948-3039 (514) 854-8720 -pager ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 22:22:13 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , RonPS Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: RonPS@AOL.COM Subject: Re: New Boston Store (86... anyone have an idea when Beat Non-Stop in Boston is going to be opening up? I wanna be there the first day.. and maybe we could do a net-dj get together thingy??? peace and much thanks! ronald ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 23:54:36 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , danFREELove Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: danFREELove Subject: Sun? Hey, what is going on with the Sun project? I remember in the fall everyone was talking about a New York area underground party of massive dimensions. Everything was a rumor, that Heather was going to be organizing, that Crash and most every NY big name would be doing it. But I haven't heard a word on the matter since. Maybe I am just out of touch. Anyone heard anything more about it? Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 04:47:05 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Blink was blinked out Hi y'all, This Saturday's Blink on Long island was fun, but short. More details on that later. I arrived around midnight, and as Fish mentioned last week, the Blink location is a really nice space, with a lot of potential. The duo of Karl & Kaos were spinning breaks around 12-ish, and I sort of wandered around, danced a wee bit, and met up with some of the other ne-ravers, but mostly sat and relaxed. Around 1:30 Scott Richmond came on, playing some housey tunes that got me up and moving. After Scoot, came Jason/Method 1 doing his live PA. It was a really nice set, and I was surprised that I enjoyed it as much as I did. Get Jason's Blink tape ... you'll like it. Shortly after his playing had ended, the cops arrived. This was around 3:15-3:20. The music was shut off, the cops waved their big flashlights around, and we had to disperse. I hung around outside for a while talking to the Fiend and his friend, awaiting the other net-ravers. But their was a cop out in the street, so it was time to head home. For those of you who went to Blink, write me ... I'm curious to see what you did afterwards. Those who have Net access and were present at Blink: Derek Tiffany Jason/Method 1 Ned/Snappleboy & 2 friends Joe/Fiend & friend Hossam Goldenboy (?) - didn't see you. Nigel Richards DJ Panik Chris/Spam Peppermint Patty & 2 friends I hope Blink doesn't get snuffed out before it has a chance to grow. I'm looking forward to going back again. The attendance this week was around 60 people max, with the numbers thinning considerably after 3 AM. Oh yeah, also like last week, some guy whipped his pecker out in the parking lot while 10 people watched; I guess he's an exhibitionist. ;) Virtually yours, Bob "restrain that thing" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 14:21:40 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJEntox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJEntox@AOL.COM Subject: Re: New Boston Store... Hey all.. Ron sed: >anyone have an idea when Beat Non-Stop in Boston is going to be >opening up? I >wanna be there the first day.. and maybe we could do a net-dj get >together >thingy??? Well, I talked to Archie @ Boston Beat, and he sez they were supposed to open the 20th. I found out they're not even done wiring the store.. and they're probably not going to be open fore a while. I heard it's going to be a real house/fashion store, so I'm a bit weary of it.. hopefully it'll be OK. BTW, Archie _is_ the Hardcore buyer now for Boston Beat. IT'S ABOUT TIME!! There should be a lot of cool stuff coming in. =) Psyched for summer! DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 13:21:00 EST Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Machine Media <0005995336@MCIMAIL.COM> Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Machine Media <0005995336@MCIMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: Sun? DP> Hey, what is going on with the Sun project? I remember in the DP> fall everyone was talking about a New York area underground DP> party of massive dimensions. SUN stands for the Storm Underground Network. I have been told by several people who would know: 1) There will be parties :) 2) Don't believe the hype. 3) They like the hype, anyway ;) I have heard all kinds outrageous rumors about SUN. I even heard that a massive party will take place "in a desert in upstate New York" =:O So maybe some people know nothing of geography outside of the subway system or have very enhanced imaginations :) I'm usually polite, though, I sort of pretend 2 believe everything someone tells me ;) I've also been told SUN stands for the Storm Underground Nation. Please, draw yr own conclusions :) PEACE OUT:) MARK I LOVE U ALL!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 15:37:37 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Robert N. Campanell" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Robert N. Campanell" Subject: Puma and the rave community This weekend's Financial Times reported Puma's quarterly earnings. After poor performances in recent years, Puma is reporting a profit. Part of this is due to restructuring. However, it's 30 yr old CEO said it's Puma Classics shoe first made in the 70's has been relaunched and is selling especially well in the US. It made me think about the economic power that the rave community has, and maybe influence corportate policy. We talk about giving back to the community. Puma has profited from the rave community, and I think it's time they should give back. It is my perception that Puma is the first multinational company to profit from the rave community. - Rob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 16:16:28 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , miss treat Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: miss treat Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 29 May 1994 15:37:37 -0400 from re: puma being the first company to profit from the rave community. we must not forget about the other LARGE company that has even spauned a complete fashion line that was seen in clubs a while ago, is magazines like Vogue a little while ago, and in magazines like Tell ohh so recently... ....give up? ADIDAS!!! xx miss loretta treat ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 16:56:11 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community puma being the first company to profit from the rave community? uh-uh. don't think so. sure, a lot of kids in the "rave" scene wear suede pumas, but to attribute puma'sd resurgence to them would be a bit silly. i mean, EVERYONE wears suede pumas, from many in the hip-hop scene to a lot of the so cAlled alternikidz of "gen x". hell, people even wore pumas at my college-considering there is a grand total of *ahem* TWO ravers there (including myself) i can't agree with this conclusion that rave lifted the puma company out of bAnkruptcy. and as far as the "economic power" of the rave community goes, ask any person who threw a party how much money s/he probably lost....since most "ravers" i know are perpetually broke (myself included), i don't think that we can be considered a "finantial power" :) -jason/method one *proud vans wearer* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 19:56:31 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Neil D'Souza Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Neil D'Souza Subject: Re: Sun? Hey mark I have heard that you have a copy of Newcleus "jam on it" on vinyl if this is true would you like to sell it? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 21:36:18 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Robert N. Campanell" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Robert N. Campanell" Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community I remember the Addidas fashion trend, and I don't know what their business is like to comment on how much of an impact the rave community has had on their profitablility. My main point is there were two reasons for Puma's profitability. (1) Corporate restructuring (i.e moving production from Germany to China) (2) Sales of Puma Classics in the US. You can't become profitable by restructuring alone. You have to sell products or services. The rave/dance culture is the sole :-) reason why Puma has been profitable. - Rob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 23:03:19 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Electro808 Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: K Rock-Ski Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community if only that were just the rave community doing it rob... but beleeve me, pumas are worn not just by ravers but basically all sorts of trendy dingies like every other altie-kid and so its definitely not just ravergear... in fact if anyone's noticed, alternative kids dress just like ravers now, have for a little while, excepting drabber colors and slightly out of date styles... and the backpack thing... dead in the rave scene for over a year, yet going on strong in america's malls... but then again ravers stole their styles from skaters anyway =P =) peace K-Rock-Ski ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 23:31:11 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Gil Yaker Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Gil Yaker Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community In-Reply-To: <199405300303.XAA06813@holmes.umd.edu> On Sun, 29 May 1994, K Rock-Ski wrote: > > but then again ravers stole their styles from skaters anyway Well, Maybe, but isn't a kind of whole collective of scenes that draw off of each other? You could say to some degree the hip-hop scene draws from The rave scene and visa versa. (for instance) it seems to me that it's all an endless cycle, and then there are those who are far behind. Hell - look how the total mainstrem is wearing what was considered alternative a few years back...I'm not even gonna talk about Doc Martens :) > > peace > K-Rock-Ski > Gil ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 03:22:58 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community hmm, Pumas eh? I'm still stompin the dancefloors in my green chuck taylor high-tops :) i do make a point to see what's on everyone's feet, and the absolutely cooooolest shoes i've ever seen at a rave were a pair of high-top platform chuck taylor all-stars. well, if somebody would like to have the corporate community give the ravers something, how about a shoe with tons of insole padding, 3/4 platforms, striped laces with little lights at the ends of the shoelaces, it should be available in all sizes, and be cheap as hell so taht we all can afford them. on second thought, my Chuck T's are ok as is :) 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 03:32:02 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: styles :) while the subject is on clothes, i have a few questions for everyone... do you wear what you see others wearing because THEY have it, or because you think it will look nice on you? do you shop cheap for cheap clothes? do you like skater clothes? or do you prefer clubber clothes? what is the craziest outfit you've ever seen anyone wear to a rave? what is your motif, or signature that sets you apart from others? let me answer this first: i wear what looks nice on me shop discout racks, and lok for old styles (outdated, yet cool) I LOVE skate clothes i saw a dude in authentic 1970s "Superfly" outfit i have goggles, cogwheel, and i dance using more hands than feet. rave up! 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 04:00:20 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , secret agent boy Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: secret agent boy Subject: Re: styles :) In-Reply-To: <199405300735.DAA08001@holmes.umd.edu> On Mon, 30 May 1994, Obin C. Robinson wrote: > do you wear what you see others wearing because THEY have it, or because you > think it will look nice on you? i wear whatever Cosmo dictates as that season's fashion....errr...nevermind. > do you like skater clothes? or do you prefer clubber clothes? in the winter, i sometimes dress as a seal-clubber, yes. > what is your motif, or signature that sets you apart from others? i sometimes wear my underpants on the outside of my slacks, i find it helps...wait a minute...who is this? just a reminder..."fashion makes up for what one lacks in style." chris (not using my brain cause its summer vacation) .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- `.; / ~. OO: ......sQuiShy Designs....... .' ;-- `.o.' email: squishy@world.std.com we think we're people ,' ; ~~--'~ ftp: ftp.std.com /pub/cmellow , ; ; ftp: amt.mit.edu /pub/jshiple _\\;_\\//_________ fingerforPGPpubkey ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 22:15:50 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Dan Nicholson <8bit@VLAD.BOWKER.COM> Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Dan Nicholson <8bit@VLAD.BOWKER.COM> Organization: Bowker Electronic Publishing, New Providence NJ Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community In-Reply-To: <199405292056.QAA05791@holmes.umd.edu> LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU writes: > puma being the first company to profit from the rave community? > > uh-uh. don't think so. sure, a lot of kids in the "rave" scene wear suede > pumas, but to attribute puma'sd resurgence to them would be a bit silly. > i mean, EVERYONE wears suede pumas, from many in the hip-hop scene to a lot > of the so cAlled alternikidz of "gen x". hell, people even wore pumas at my > college-considering there is a grand total of *ahem* TWO ravers there > (including myself) i can't agree with this conclusion that rave lifted the > puma company out of bAnkruptcy. and as far as the "economic power" of the > rave community goes, ask any person who threw a party how much money s/he > probably lost....since most "ravers" i know are perpetually broke (myself > included), i don't think that we can be considered a "finantial power" :) errr, except when it comes to buying techno, right? :) > -jason/method one *proud vans wearer* yes! yes! vans RULE! **b&bh mode off** - DanN /~~~\ |~~~~\ |~~||~~~~~~| |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | o | | o || ||__ __| | DanN = moddan@vlad.bowker.com | \ / /~~~\ | / | | | | | t23@cyberspace.com | / \ | O || \ | | | | | Transmission 23 - FTZ - edrone | | O | \___/ | O || | | | |____________________________________| \___/ C O L L|____/E|__|C |__|T I V E \*\ \*\ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 10:52:32 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Francois Dion Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Francois Dion Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community In-Reply-To: <199405300726.DAA07970@holmes.umd.edu> from "Obin C. Robinson" at May 30, 94 03:22:58 am Dans la Matrice, Obin C. Robinson a dit: > > hmm, > Pumas eh? > I'm still stompin the dancefloors in my green chuck taylor high-tops :) > i do make a point to see what's on everyone's feet, and the absolutely > cooooolest shoes i've ever seen at a rave were a pair of high-top > platform chuck taylor all-stars. People on this list make a point that they dont follow trends. Well, i'm sorry to say that pumas have been in most stores and trendy for way over a year, and much more in "grunge" scenes (add to this the terra boots and various other "street" wear). As for high-top platforms, i have seen tonnes of them. So, ok, maybe raves are about looking silly (platforms, tuques, plastic toys, etc...) (i mean that in a nice way, btw), but it seems to feed a lot on trendiness, something i tought was not part of raves... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' IdMEDIA \ Managing: \ Publishing: \ Specialising: CP 312 \ Equation de Base \ Cybernaute \ Multimedia & Telecom St-Lambert, QC \ Francois Dion \ IDM Software \ design, publishing & Canada, J4P 3P8 \ Fuzzy Logic \ Raving Up North \ testing(hard/software) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 10:59:41 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Francois Dion Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Francois Dion Subject: Re: styles :) In-Reply-To: <199405300735.DAA08001@holmes.umd.edu> from "Obin C. Robinson" at May 30, 94 03:32:02 am Dans la Matrice, Obin C. Robinson a dit: > > while the subject is on clothes, i have a few questions for everyone... Guess you were thinking the same thing as me... > do you wear what you see others wearing because THEY have it, or because you > think it will look nice on you? I doubt people really go for the "look nice". It's almost a race to find the most wacky and tacky thing to wear... > i have goggles, cogwheel, and i dance using more hands than feet. The cogwheel is on a chain? :P BTW, speaking of more hands than feet, guess that is another thing that is making a comeback from the 60s dances (monkey, watusi [with two people it's called GoGo] and most importantly and quite similar to actual style is the hitchhiker). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' IdMEDIA \ Managing: \ Publishing: \ Specialising: CP 312 \ Equation de Base \ Cybernaute \ Multimedia & Telecom St-Lambert, QC \ Francois Dion \ IDM Software \ design, publishing & Canada, J4P 3P8 \ Fuzzy Logic \ Raving Up North \ testing(hard/software) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 21:55:34 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJEntox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJEntox@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Puma and the rave communi... Ok, I'll add a little of my 2 scents in.. =) At my school (high school, remember those days?)all the rapper kids wear Adidas jumpsuits and shirts, and so do most of the soccer players (adidas is the world cup sponsor.. aren't they?) I'm amazed at how much the kids end up looking like ravers (without trying of course) As far as Pumas go, I don't believe I've seen anyone at my school with the old style Pumas, although a lot of the skaters like the old style shoes. My friend, who's really into fashion, desperately wants a pair. She's more into the Kate Moss world of things. All in all, puma and adidas's success is probably attributed to just the way fashion is going back into the 70's style of things. You'll see me at the next rave with some "raver-boy" t-shirt =) and I wear docs to dance.. and I always seem to get a blister on my big toe, but oh well! Peace DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 22:41:48 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MONO Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MONO Subject: my little sister fashion... my little sister who is 14 bought those shell-toed addidas that i almost bought a while back...and she didn't even know i was looking at getting them, and as far as i can tell for style she's a typical 14 year old, now i find this interesting cuz my *highly* fashion concious raver friend got the same shoes and was quite proud of them, this guy is 19..... what this means, i don't know...but i do notice that a lot of ppl at my school (jmu) could pass for ravers, and probably don't know what one is but that's just an assumption... anywayz...personally, i just wear low top chucks, some semi-baggy jeans and some cartoon character t-shirt.. just my 2 pennies... aaron.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .________mono________________________stu_awmeyers@vax1.acs.jmu.edu____________. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 00:33:03 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rishad J Quazi Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rishad J Quazi Subject: Re: styles :) In-Reply-To: <199405300735.DAA08001@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Obin C. Robinson" at May 30, 94 3:32 am > > while the subject is on clothes, i have a few questions for everyone... > > do you wear what you see others wearing because THEY have it, or because you > think it will look nice on you? > i wear usually what i think is comfortable so i tend to wear those loose baggy athletic track suits or other light baggy clothes. > do you shop cheap for cheap clothes? > yes :) > do you like skater clothes? or do you prefer clubber clothes? > neither. see above. > what is the craziest outfit you've ever seen anyone wear to a rave? > i remember seeing someone in a green foam eggcrate dragon suit way back when at Essence II. > what is your motif, or signature that sets you apart from others? > i used to wear a CD-ROM around my neck, but after a while it tended to get it the way so i leave it at home now as a closet light-chain :) > > 1000 > FiSH ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 09:53:48 ES Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Jessie Zoldak Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Jessie Zoldak Subject: Re: Laws in Boston? Ian wrote: > Can somebody tell me exactly what the laws in Boston state about events? > Is it true that they have to be finished by 1 AM? Liquor licenses in Cambridge go until 1am, for Boston it's until 2am. The typical entertainment (DJ, live music, dancing) license is also until 2am. The only way around this is the "Private Party" route. After-hours places like the Loft (which is a gay after-hours members only club) are open until 6, I think. But they still cannot serve alcohol after 2am. You might be able to get a 1 day permit for a private party event. I think that's the route I would try to explore first. -- JessieZ JessieZ.notes @ notesteam.lotus.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 10:25:44 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community In-Reply-To: <199405291939.PAA05133@holmes.umd.edu> from "Robert N. Campanell" at May 29, 94 03:37:37 pm I guess when I think of raves and the shoe affiliation the 1st name that comes to my mind is Adidas. <-------the same word that comes to mind when I think of most commonly worn clothes. I will admit to wearing both Puma and Adidas jumpsuits and Puma sneaks 'cause I think they're funny and they bring back memories of my breakdancing days (which are making a comeback???Yay!!!!)Sometimes I feel an urge to throw a jumbo afro on my head decorated with baby baretts. But I must say that my sneaker of coice is the magically delicious old style Nike Cortez--black w/ white swoosh or white w/ red swoosh---and I wear them proudly... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 10:30:26 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community In-Reply-To: <199405291939.PAA05133@holmes.umd.edu> from "Robert N. Campanell" at May 29, 94 03:37:37 pm i forgot to sign the last Nike cortez thang so Ill do that now... Mi-T :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 10:37:24 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , CORI B IRWIN Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: CORI B IRWIN Subject: Re: Laws in Boston? In-Reply-To: <199405311355.JAA15402@holmes.umd.edu> from "Jessie Zoldak" at May 31, 94 09:53:48 am I think the "fact" that the Loft is a gay club will come as a suprise to all the straight ppl that go there. A lot of gay ppl go there but aeverysingle club and rave I've been to has had a gay population and weren't classified as gay or straight. Mighty :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 10:51:20 18000 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Cal Eastman Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Cal Eastman Subject: fasion,style, and zeitgeist In-Reply-To: <199405310243.WAA12924@holmes.umd.edu>; from "MONO" at May 30, 94 10:41 pm Everyone is affe4ctedc by fasion and "trendiness" because even going against the trends, or not caring atb all how u dress is a statement. The clothes we wear do say something, and thats why we choose our clothing. As to the crossover between raver and other styles- every age has its zeitgeist, its style and format. From within the distinction looks great, uht at a distance the similarites will grom apparent. For instance in thre early seventies the street blacks, the funkateers, the post hippies, the businessmen,etc all dressed quite differnetly, and would ont have mistaken on for another on the street in 1972. Looking back however, we can look at any oif these and say "look at that 70's style", because there are certain unifying trends through all these types peaceout -- Boom shiva mahalinga nataraj :) (puffiness 4evah) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 11:40:21 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , WO AI TAYLOR Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: WO AI TAYLOR Subject: Re: what if... been so long since I last logged on! where would I be if it weren't for raves? probably listening to the same mucis but immersing myself deeper into the club scene that I used to be a part of... or possibly still drowning my sorrows in all that Gothic hoolabaloo... no, considering what I am doing with my life now, I'd venture to say I'd take up listening to Classical music, now that it is no longer forced upon me.. Raves were inevitable... considering all the discontentment with the snobbery of the club scene and the negativism and aggressiveness of the other subcultures, something positive had to emerge... gives one hope for the rest of the world, aye? tina ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 11:57:07 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , WO AI TAYLOR Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: WO AI TAYLOR Subject: picnic reminder Just a reminder about the pre Sputnik picnic being held at Central Park 11 June 1994- most likely at the same place (Strawberry Fields) around... don't hold me to this but probably early afternoon- 2ish? look for a final message from Taylor (who is having modem troubles at the moment) We're hoping that people will want to take a train together from Manhatten to Poughkeepsie.. it doesn't cost much and we'll all be together getting excited for the rave :) Also, if you're thinking of going back to Taylor's flat after the picnic, please email him, so he has a general idea of how many people are interested. Yall can meet Jasmine and Pixel, his adopted children :) (meow) Anyhow... stay tuned for final notices on this subject hope to see MANY netravers there! :) sun(flower) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 11:55:34 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , ROBINS52@SNYCORVA.CORTLAND.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Obin C. Robinson" Subject: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM! hmm, what's the view on chill-out rooms??? i think taht they are a saviour, and a necessity at any big rave... has anyone ever been in a freak-out room??? instead of chilling you out with mellow sounds...it's filled with creepy noises and scary screams.... soerta like those cheesy haunted houses :) just wondering if they exist rave on 1000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 12:54:27 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU Subject: Re: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM! 1000 writes: hmm, what's the view on chill-out rooms??? i think taht they are a saviour, and a necessity at any big rave... has anyone ever been in a freak-out room??? instead of chilling you out with mellow sounds...it's filled with creepy noises and scary screams.... soerta like those cheesy haunted houses :) just wondering if they exist rave on 1000 (end of copied meddage) a freak out room? hmmm....this sounds a lot like the set up at garden of earthly delights, an event i spun at in virginia. the space was divided into 3 rooms: earth (main dance floor), heaven (chill out room), and hell (industrial and a lot of those scary sounds you were talking about). all 3 room were decorated to reflect on their name, so hell was pretty weird: old computer parts and bits of machinery scattered everywhere, "demonic" type stuff, red lighting, and a few people dressed in leather bondage gear dragging people around on chains (!) it was not a "normal" party by any means. and as far as a chill-out room goes, i think that they are a great idea. -jason/method one >>>scene but not herd<<< lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 13:12:00 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "Michael Francois (SHA)" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "Michael Francois (SHA)" Subject: Re: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM! In-Reply-To: <199405311607.MAA16883@holmes.umd.edu> Yes sir, I like it! I mean, chill-out rooms are the best, a necessary part of a succesful event, in my mind anyway. I need the calmer pace to ride out my trips sometimes, to just , well, chill. :) A scary room would be phat! I remember Entity playing trains and airplanes and other 'wierd' sound as Casper, and it was great! I'd got to a party with a Wierd Out Room, or a Haunted Room, or whatever, even if it was only like that for a few hours ... This striked me as cool ... And speaking of G of ED, when are those crazy people in VA gonna do it again? :) Peace, Myg ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 13:35:28 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Subject: Re: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM! In-Reply-To: <9405311655.AA14461@media.mit.edu>; from "LEDERJASO@URVAX.URICH.EDU" at May 31, 94 12:54 pm In case anybody's interested, HINT HINT, Chris Mellow and I do ambient rooms. We are Squishy Designs. Oh yeah, I thought of something funny to say, but i forgot what it was. -John .-'~~~-. .'o oOOOo`. :~~~-.oOo o`. --------------------------- `. \ ~-. oOOo. ----------------------------- To find out more about the an `.; / ~. OO: d mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any .' ;-- `.o.' this message will be anonymized, and we think we're peoplebe ,' ; ~~--'~ matically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, ; ; priate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. _\\;_\\//_________ ==------========== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:28:41 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Grant D McHerron Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Grant D McHerron Subject: Re: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM ( The Demon Set :)! >"demonic" >type stuff, red lighting, and a few people dressed in leather bondage gear >dragging people around on chains (!) it was not a "normal" party by any means Hey, sounds pretty "normal" to me - hmmmmmm, better dig out that review of Mardi Gras in Sydney that I've been meaning to write :) As to a scream-out room, yeah, sounds just the place I want to go when I feel like I need to get paranoid and start spasming all over the place - geee - can they put some neat visual stimuli in there - I always found the goat head with the thousand eyes in Altered States was incredibly effective when yer tripping - man, it haunted me for weeks afterwards :) Could be fun to experience, so long as the exit was clearly marked for those who couldn't stand it anymore and flipped out big time :) Grant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Grant's Apothecary - where your pleasure is *our* business... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:55:10 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , TSIMPSON@MARY.FORDHAM.EDU Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Terence Simpson Subject: Mental Review Mental-The Whole Truth took place last Sunday in an abandoned warehouse in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. For those of you who don't know what Williamsburg is like, the area looks like a post-nuclear holocaust, a sort of wasteland. About 200 people danced to the acid madness of Adam X, Reade, Carlos Tera, Brian Walters, Jimmy Crash, Denard, and Heather Heart. Highlights of the night were Tera's set of hard acid and Denard's set of trancey acid house. Mental promises more underground parties all summer long. Keep calling 718.361.3233. Terence ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:53:43 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Sweeney Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Sweeney Subject: Re: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM! In-Reply-To: <94May31.120122edt.2614-2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>; from "Obin C. Robinson" at May 31, 94 11:55 am I remember some guy told me about a rave in a warehouse, where, in the middle, they closed all the doors, turned out all the lights and played sounds from a slaughterhouse for an hour. now *that* is a freak out. *shiver* but chill out roooms are awesome, not only to chill out in, but because most of the stuff i like to listen to only gets played in em. =) john ---- john sweeney jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu binary sound(imprints) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:54:28 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , John Sweeney Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: John Sweeney Subject: Re: Puma and the rave community In-Reply-To: <94May31.102521edt.1963-3@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>; from "CORI B IRWIN" at May 31, 94 10:30 am In a dream, these words by CORI B IRWIN were imprinted on my mind: > > i forgot to sign the last Nike cortez thang so Ill do that now... > i heard they were reissueing these. well, maybe not those, but old skool nikes, anyways. ---- john sweeney jds@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu binary sound(imprints) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 17:57:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Cybertribe iron-ons (semi-advert) Hi all, In a further effort to aid in identification of one another at parties, I'm offering an iron-n for sale. It is a logo that was designed by Rishad/Fish. The picture shows an outline of figures "cupped" between two outstretched hands, one above, one below. Underneath is the word 'cybertribe' in lower case. The transfer is in one color (blue/cyan), and comes on an 8.5 x 11" paper. It is best worn on light-colored clothing, and can be applied using a standard iron. The cost for the Cybetribe transfer is $3.50. This covers the cost of the iron-on and shipping, which includes cardboard backing. Address inquiries to: Bob Baxter, PO Box 88, Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 Virtually yours, Bob "at least it's not snake oil" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 18:23:39 -0500 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , MONO Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: MONO Subject: Re: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM! we did the three room thang for garden of earthly delights down here in harrisonburg va...it was well...*interesting* ;) anywayz...we have looked into doing it again...and found out we have been banned from ever using the space again do some mishaps w/ university equipment :( ah well, i suppose that should've been expected... see everyone at sputnik... aaron.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .________mono________________________stu_awmeyers@vax1.acs.jmu.edu____________. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 20:00:24 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Alan Michael Parry Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: Cybertribe iron-ons (semi-advert) In-Reply-To: <199405312214.SAA19829@holmes.umd.edu> On Tue, 31 May 1994, Bob Baxter wrote: > Rishad/Fish. The picture shows an outline of figures "cupped" between > two outstretched hands, one above, one below. Underneath is the word gif gif gif gif gif gif gif! :) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27: ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 19:57:55 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , "D.J.MARS" Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: "D.J.MARS" Subject: Mental Review... Cybertribe, To me the underground outlaw parties are what the rave scene is all about. If you weren't at Mental this past Sunday you missed out. This considered, there was no way that I wanted to miss the Mental party this past Sunday. Jennifer (Jenn-bug from Vrave), my girlfriend and rave partner, had been staying at my place near the shore for Memorial Day weekend. But even after she decided she'd rather not go to the party, I was still determined to go. So on Sunday night, she left my place, and drove back to Philly (she has her own car now ;). I phoned up the Foundation line for directions to the party, and found out the map point was only open from 10:30pm to Midnight. I am notorious for missing map points and it was 9:30pm before I left. I hoped I wouldn't miss it. At 9:30pm just as I headed onto the Garden State Parkway for NYC, I ran into tons of traffic heading from the Jersey shore back to NYC. To avoid the traffic, I took back highways and went through Manhattan and across the Williamsburg bridge to try to get to Brooklyn on time. After I figured out that there was a "S 9th St." and a "N 9th St." within a mile of each other, I made it to the map point around 12:20am. Fortunately, there were still people waiting at the map point (on the sidewalk of this warehouse lined street). A girl gave me a sheet of paper about "Mental," I gave her my $5 donation, and she stamped my hand. She walked a group of us down to the party site, including Jimmy Crash who had record box in hand. The party was a block away in an abandoned warehouse next to the East River. And as we walked down from the street toward the water, I could hear the music throbbing from the building. The view of the Manhattan skyline was beautiful, but what caught my eye was the flashing light from the garage door sized openings in the building. It didn't hit me till later to wonder who had taken the time to remove those huge doors from the loading bays. We climbed up into the building through the bays into a single very large room with high ceilings. The only lighting in the warehouse was from a large dataflash strobe, a red spot light that panned back and forth across the building, and stray light from street lights that shone from outside. From the minimal lighting, I could make out graffiti covering the walls. There were about 150 people inside, some dancing, but most of sitting down. I recognized Dietricht from Prototype 909 and Mr. Trash from United Techno, and went over to talk to them. I spoke to them for a few minutes and then started to pay more attention to the music and soon found myself dancing. The sound system was really good and was the perfect size for the space and number of people there. It wasn't hideously overdriven and distorted. Brian Walters was at the turntables which were at the far end of the warehouse. The dance area had been swept clear of debris and was delineated by yellow caution tape that was streched between the steel poles that supported the metal corrigated roof. I decided to go back to my car to get my jacket and flyers for Sputnik 4 to pass out. I got the stuff and wandered up a few more blocks to see if there were any stores to buy food at. The closest thing I found was a small corner bar. There were three cop cars in the street in front of the place, but they looked like they were just sitting there, so I went in. The place was really small and there were only 20 or so people mostly in their early 20's. I sat down at the bar and waited (a half hour) to get served. The three people next to me were in a deep discussion about something that had just gone down. It was the biggest thing to happen around that area for a while it seems, and after a few minutes of sitting there waiting, the girl next to me suddenly turns towards me and starts telling me this story without taking a breath... This guy at the far end of the bar (who looked a lot like Oz and even had a European accent) had tried to go into the bathroom while these two biker chicks were standing inside it having a conversation. The guy goes in anyway and relieves himself and goes back and sits down. As the biker chicks and their biker boyfriends are leaving, one of the women wacks the guy on his arm, and tells him "not to try anything like that again." The dude gets miffed, jumps up, and runs outside yelling at them and trying to pick a fight with these biker guys. They start scuffling, and the bartender/manager/bouncer, "Anita," runs out to stop him from getting himself killed, and tells the bikers that "this guy's not even worth your time..." The bikers laugh and leave, and the other guy, standing there with a ripped shirt, goes home humilated. He comes back to the bar saying that he wants to sue the bar for what happened and calls the cops. The guy and girl next to me are now trying to reason with him and talk him out of it. The guy eventually leaves stating that he'll be back on Tuesday to see the owner. Soon, I was in deep conversation with the collegiate, preppy couple who seem not to be too shocked by my "rave gear"(tm), nosering, earrings, or stack of Sputnik 4 flyers. They were curious about why I would drive up from the Jersey Shore on Memorial Day weekend, and I tried to play it off by saying I had come up for a "party with about 150 friends." While I was there talking, the girl from the map point and some guy come in and the girl goes to the bathroom. I went to talk to the guy and find out the girl is Sunshine, Carlos Tera's girlfriend, and the guy is Terence, who is on NE-Raves, posted the info about Mental, and lives with Sunshine. It was turning out to be a very strange night. They were like, "Why aren't you down at the party?" I'm like, "It's a long story..." I eventually went back down to the party to find Jimmy Crash leaving. I missed his set. Carlos Tera had just went on, and began to spin some really good hard acid. As I passed out Sputnik flyers, I ran into Jacob (ex-ne- raver), Bob Baxter, Rashad (FiSH), Dan DC, and Mike Freshco. I danced and hung out with all of them and we were all having a good time. Denard went on next and during his set the generator died for a few minutes. It gave me a chance to talk to some new people, and soon the sound was up and people were dancing again. Heather and Adam X got there and Adam was scheduled to spin after Reade who followed Denard. I left about this time (5am) and finally found out how to get back on the Williamsburg bridge a half hour later. Definately a phat space, cool music, good sound system, just could have used more people. Reminded me a lot of the Ceaser's Bay Storm Raves with a lot less people. I think the first Storm Rave was right around there, and heard some story about how Frankie Bones had gotten attacked by some Polish weight lifters with an axe. I had a good time even though I had gone there alone. You should have been there...no excuses! Peace, Mars ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 20:56:14 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Mister Mountain Dew Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Mister Mountain Dew Subject: Re: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM! In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 31 May 94 18:23:39 -0500. <9405312225.AA27151@MIT.EDU> Funny this thread should get started. Over the weekend, I picked up a record that would be perfect for a freak-out room. It's called "Electronic Music" and has three tracks recorded from 1958-65 by John Cage, Luciano Berio and Ilhan Mimaroglu. Really weird stuff, quite random at times. I don't know much about the other artists, but I know John Cage has done some phat things like algorithmically generating poetry from text and algorithmic music. Berio's piece, "Visage", is an intense, strange groove. It's got a female voice who seems to speak, yet says no words. It's described on the album cover as "a sound track for a 'drama' that was never written." Does anyone know anything else about these artists? Trevor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 21:01:11 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Rishad J Quazi Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Rishad J Quazi Subject: Re: Cybertribe iron-ons (semi-advert) In-Reply-To: <199406010000.UAA20181@holmes.umd.edu>; from "Alan Michael Parry" at May 31, 94 8:00 pm > > On Tue, 31 May 1994, Bob Baxter wrote: > > > Rishad/Fish. The picture shows an outline of figures "cupped" between > > two outstretched hands, one above, one below. Underneath is the word > > gif gif gif gif gif gif gif! :) > > / /\ \ f l u i d the gif of the iron-on is at techno i think ... it is under pics/misc/cybrtrib.gif ??? dunno haven't snarfed anything off of techno in a while. - FiSH ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 21:16:09 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Bob Baxter Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Bob Baxter Organization: Fraternity of Fun Folks Subject: Re: ThE fReAk OuT rOoM! In-Reply-To: <199405311607.MAA16883@holmes.umd.edu> I don't know if having a freak-out room is such a good idea. Under certain conditions it could be fun, but if you're having a bad trip, having screams blasted at you could be a nasty experience. Virtually yours, Bob "happy thoughts" Baxter p00284@psilink.com <-- A+ | Know your boundaries... bobthedj@aol.com <-- B+ | cross them. bob.baxter@hofbbs.com <-- C+ | bobbles@cris.com <-- Unsure | Vrave = bobbles ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 22:26:36 EDT Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , DJEntox Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: DJEntox@AOL.COM Subject: Cheap clothes on a candy box! Hey all, Since we have all the chat about clothes, I thought I'd mention a neat-o offer I saw on the back of a Jujyfruits box.. You can get a Jujyfruits t-shirt (I think it's yellow, like the box) for 2 upc's and 7.50.!! I'm definetley grabbing up the offer, I just thought it was a kewl thing.. the design is just like the design on the front of the box. I wonder if they're trying to target ravers? =) hee hee! Peace DJ Entox ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 23:58:21 -0400 Reply-To: NE Raves Discussion , Michael J Minnich Sender: NE Raves Discussion From: Michael J Minnich Subject: ONCE AGAIN.... summer's here. mobile grooves posse returns to ignite the DC underground... saturday - june - the fourth tentative DJ lineup: dieselBoy (true school uk hardcore) tiff'n'E (trance'n'dance) method one (ambient breaks) inhuman (rock bottom deep house) as always -> no walls no doors no permits no attitude no charge )))))onehundredpercentuncompromisedpositiveforcedanceenergy((((( location (and backup site if needed), night of: 202.973.2109 crash space guaranteed for out-of-town net ravers crash space arrangeable for those wishing to make the hardcore weekend of RaveTheBay--->SpiritualMovement--->MobileGrooves --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "loops of funk over hardcore beats"