From bbehlen Wed Sep 29 20:22:48 1993 From: bbehlen@techno.Stanford.EDU (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 20:22:47 PDT Subject: test Status: From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 20:34:24 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 23:35:09 EDT Subject: Re: test Status: ? From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 20:36:38 1993 From: bbehlen@techno.Stanford.EDU (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 20:36:03 PDT Subject: We're go, liftoff, we're go.... Status: At least for *now*. Dan Philpott (anarchy@eng.umd.edu) is setting up ne-raves at umd; however it will be two weeks before it will be operational, so in the interim techno.stanford.edu will be able to handle the ne-raves and ne-raves- calendar traffic. Now, pay attention, coz I'm only gonna say this once :) The software I'm using here is called "Majordomo"; it basically automates just about EVERYTHING for me. Here's how you use it: To do anything like unsubscribe, subscribe, see who's on the list, etc, send mail to majordomo@techno.stanford.edu to unsubscribe, simply put the words unsubscribe ne-raves in the body of your message. Likewise, to get on, put the words subscribe ne-raves in the message. For a list of who's on the list, put who ne-raves (substitute ne-raves-calendar for ne-raves if you wish to deal with just the calendar). At any time, you can ask for help and it shall freely be given :) And for the record, I'll append the current ROM to the end of this message. This list will only be active for a few weeks, until the server at UMD is set up. Right now the ne-raves alias at gnu.ai.mit.edu does NOT forward to techno.stanford.edu, though hopefully that will soon change. Okay, hope this is clear; and I hope my software doesn't break :) Go easy on her! Brian Written by inhuman+@cmu.edu =============================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR UPCOMING RAVES: _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 2 NEW YORK (?) (212) 465 - 3299 POLARIS (914) 463 - 9350 Up North Productions, Acme Laboratories, Satellite Productions Present... .P.O.L.A.R.I.S. October 2nd, 1993 DJs ~~~ Lenny Dee Nigel Richards Scott Richmond Mr Kleen Micro Overload James Christian Spy Rio Lights Bus ~~~~~~ ~~~ A.C.M.E. LABS Big Dipper 518-465-6381 Listen To: WDST 12-3am Sat KC WVXR 3-6pm Thurs 207-773-6979 10PM - 8AM ZOOM 100% Legal 215-231-9218 Newburgh Skate Park Admission $13 United Techno 203-646-6381 Ramsey 315-655-2058 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 8 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 1 Scott Furbush (Cleveland) and Josh Wink (Philly) Presented by Millenium (mainly Joel formerly of TurboZen) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 9 PHILADELPHIA (215) 552 - 8940 SCHOOL DAZE Atlas Presents.... School Daze A blend of Hip-Hop's old and new schools _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 9 NEW YORK CITY (212) 592 - 3687 CYBERTEK FUTURE FUNK & SPANK along with UPTOWN UNDERGROUND present -C-Y-B-E-R-T-E-K- The Electronic Dance Movement of Future Orbiting Cybernauts Frankie Bones Lenny Dee Adam X James Christian Jimmy Crash Heather Heather Future Funk Carlos Scott Richmond Dan D.C. Nerotic Mario Genevesse Anyone that ever Quested to the Boogie Down knows what where all about 100% UNDERGROUND UNCOMPROMISED Supercybersonic Sound System and Lights Double Arena Warehouse Jam Tickets and Info 24-7 call uptown hotline 212-592-3687 and -- Groove Records, Brooklyn 718-714-5232 -- Bruckner Records & Tapes, Bronx 718-823-8899 NO ADVANCED TICKET SALES UNTIL DAY OF EVENT [then there are advanced ticket sales...?] 2 A.M. uptown Tickets - $13 Special Thanks to - Mental Unity for promos, Groove Records, Bruckner Records, Joint Ventures, Alan Sanctuary, Dawn, Nicole, Kat Woman, Back to Basics Crew, and all those who keep the scene deep down underground. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 15 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 885-7440 SUNSHINE II dz5401a@american.edu Craftsman productions and dcraves present the next day... Sunshine II A new evolution in the district. coming Oct. 15th info: dz5401a@american.edu or (202) 885-7440 we support MGP, the underground, and freaky dancers _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 23 NEW YORK CITY (212) 465 - 2583 THE JOURNEY matt e. silver & the blunt academy present the journey saturday, october 23 11pm - 12 noon new york city [this is The Orb's NYC tour date] _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 NEW YORK CITY (212) 330 - 8233 MASKARAVE 2 @ NASA's Maskarave 2 Infoline: 212-330-8233 The Event of the Millenium! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PROVIDENCE, RI (401) 454 - 6028 CASPER _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 2 Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 ALLENTOWN, PA (215) 433 - 0503 TIME WARP @ It's official folks, so here it is... UNITY PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS... T I M E W A R P Out of the Stone Age into the Future Friday, November 5, 1993 in celebration of THE FREIGHT YARD's 13 month anniversary Laura(New Jersey/NE-Raves) Goodwill(Delaware) Ikon(Freight Yard-Allentown) geoffE(Freight Yard-Allentown/NE-Raves) Mark M(Allentown) Miko(Freight Yard) dieselboy(Pittsburgh/NE-Raves) WINK(Philly) Guy DMC(Londontown) Trace(Londontown) On-E(NASA, New York) 2 rooms - Room 1=Hardcore, Jungle, Acid/Room 2=House,Progressive, Trance Giveaways by: Instinct Records - New York Moonshine Music - Los Angeles Lucky Spin Records - London Sorted/Nervous Records - New York DMC - New York/London Smart Bar by DNA - Intelligent Lighting - Lasers by Pawn FOR INFO. CALL 215.433.0503 DOORS OPEN 9:45p.m. MUSIC from 10pm - 7am All tickets at the door $10 before 11p.m./$15 after 11p.m. ***NOTE: ANYONE WHO CAN PROMOTE VIA PHONE LINE OR CAN HANDLE FLYERS E-MAIL ME AT GSC1@LEHIGH.EDU BEFORE THURSDAY NIGHT AT MIDNIGHT SO WE CAN PUT YOUR NAME AND NUMBER ON THE FLYER!!!!! CHEERS!!!! geoffE ---The Freight Yard 3rd and Hamilton St. Allentown, PA--- _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PORTLAND, ME (207) 773 - 6979 GRIN - THE 2ND COMING KC & the sunrise gang & pandemonium! bring you... GRIN The 2nd Coming Satruday November 13th 10pm til sunrise and beyond Portland, Maine smile to the Future Beat Enormous Warehouse Location Multi Mega-Watt Sound System 20 Watt Multi Color Laser Systems Intelliget Lighting, Robo Scans Tiger Scans & Data Flash Video Walls & Projections Film Loops & Slides _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 1891 LITTLE GOOD VIBE November 13th in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania is Little Good Vibe. featuring everything from house, to deep house, to acid. dj list to follow. Info line 412.734.1891. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, Decemeber 4 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 3 Adam X & Lenny McBride (Groove Records, Under One Sky, NYC) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ [and this tidbit from Mars (mhv0@Lehigh.EDU):] For 24-hour, up-to-date rave info, you can now call the ZooM LinE at: (215) 998 - 9650 (Allentown/Philly) (800) 374 - 4434 x20051 (Beyond) If you want to be on the reduced admission list at Homegrown on Thursdays at the Bank in NYC or for Sputink in Space, call and leave your name and a message relevant to this. Also, if you want to be added to the ZooM mailing list, call and leave your name and address. You'll get a copy of the zoom newsletter and other goodies. Peace, love, and happiness, Mars p.s. Don't go out to an event without calling the ZooM line! With the number of raves getting busted and not going down, you need to stay informed so that you don't get the shaft by travelling to a busted event. If you have late breaking news, be sure to call and leave a message. This line is provided by ravers for other raver's benefit. Peace _______________________________________________________________________________ KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club Please send all corrections and submissions to inhuman@cmu.edu or my old address is fine, too. From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 20:38:56 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 23:39:16 EDT Subject: If this works? Status: Would someone fill me in????????? /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 20:41:30 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 23:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: test Status: On Wed, 29 Sep 1993, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > test > > 1-2-3 > > hi all! Yeah!!!! NE-Raves is back in Action! :) Joe From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 20:43:39 1993 From: Hank Hughes Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 23:43:36 EDT Subject: LambdaMOO for NE-raves ... Status: I'm workin on a LambdaMOO that will be open to NE-RAVES - It will coming to a theatre near you ... -HANK From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 20:57:32 1993 From: laura@soda.berkeley.edu (Laura La Gassa) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 20:57:26 -0700 Subject: new list, New York Raves Status: Hi all. In case you are wondering, New York Raves is still operational. It is a LOCAL, MODERATED, and DIGESTIFIED list for technophiles and ravers interested in what is going on within a short drive of New York City (basically Philly to New Haven, Long Island to the Lehigh and Lower Hudson Valleys). The digest comes out once or twice every business day. To subscribe, send mail to laura@usl.com . (Do not reply to this message or else your request will not be processed). New York Raves is not meant to superseed ne-raves in any matter or form, it's intent is to focus on the Metropolitan New York City area, much as DCRaves focuses on Washington DC. The list is moderated and digestified so as to help maintain focus on the subject matter. Laura From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 21:06:42 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 00:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: THANK YOU! Status: I just wanted to thank Brian for being kind enough to set up NE Raves at this site until I have the permanent site set up. As we all know, around about a week ago the ne raves site at MIT stopped mailing. From what I have heard (third or fourth hand), something catastrophic happened to the ne raves software and Joe just was too busy to fix it all up. Joe hasn't been available lately to fix it, so I took on the project. I am now waiting for the bureaucracy of UMD to process my application for listserv (all the permissions are confirmed, it is just a matter of paperwork) and that will take approximately two weeks. After that the site will move from here to a permanent site at UMD, and NE Raves will again be a NE phenomenon (funny how all of NE seems to be migrating west). Okay, just keeping you guys up to speed on what's happening. Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 21:22:35 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 00:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Article from Washington's City Paper Status: Just thought you might like this, so I put my secretarial skills to the test and typed it up. No rights reserved, I don't think I am supposed to be doing this anyhow. ;) (BTW: This information wants to be free, it told me so.) (PS even: This was typed up some time ago, but with the downage time I figured I would sent it out again because you missed it the first time.) [Daze of Future Passed - Techno's Digital Dionysians Rave to Old Notions of the New] By Mark Jenkins [DE: Printed in the Washington City Paper, September 24, 1993, Page 21] 'I was talking to the guy who cuts me hair about the Orb, and I said. "It just sounds like Steve Hillage to me," and he goes, "Well, he plays for them," and I said, "Whaaat? Steve Hillage is back? I've fuckin' failed!"' - The Fall's Mark E. Smith, quoted in New Musical Express Coveting the '60s, which went from Frankie Valli to Jimi Hendrix in a seeming blink of an eye, pop music always wants to know what's new. Techno, the synth-based dance/trance music, argues implicitly and explicitly that it's the answer to that question. Disco without the crossover ambitions and U.S. chart success that made synth-based dance music both so lucrative and so reviled in the mid- late '70s, techno and such associated subgenres ("aliases" might be more accurate) as house, acid house, ambient house, new beat, hardcore, and acid jazz (techno with jazz rather than disco samples) do work a few variations on their predecessors. Their principal innovation, however is to be reborn as cult music, so dangerous that--even though much of it could serve as incidental music for TV commercials--its dance parties are subject to scrutiny by special rave squads in some police departments. Like hiphop, techno is built on borrowed ground. Its beat comes from disco and Kraftwerk, its swoops and swirls from European space-rock, its sensibilities from acid rock and the noise damaged lullabies of such later-day psychedelicists as My Bloody Valentine. Like Bowie/Eno and other art-rockers of nearly two decades ago, it also draws on the minimalists: Steve Reich, Philip Glass, and so on, with their debts to traditional African, Indian, and Indonesian music. (The liner notes to Excursions in Ambience pay homage to both John Cage and Terry Riley, and Orbital has sampled the latter.) That way leads to La Monte Young (long influential in Germany, the only country his new just-intonation blues band has toured) and the first rock band to take lessons from a minimalist, the Velvet Underground, which in turn has been a major influence on the Bloody school. What all these precursors share is the quest for the altered state. Whether by means of seemingly endless tones or inexorable percussion, these are trance musics, inimical to the Western tradition of music as a series of discrete events (and counter- events). Whether during true Dionysian frenzy or the approximation that dance clubs and raves try to engineer with relentless beats and enormous volume, such sounds attempt to meld body and spirit in a euphoric, extra-rational whole. (Along with "future" and "young," techno buzzwords include "tribal," "primitive," and "jungle.") Under such circumstances, intoxication by chemical agents is not unprecedented. Ecstacy and LSD, supposedly, were integral to the U.K.'s version of acid house; now techno (at least in Britain) is associated with the favored potion of both mods and punks, the amphetamine. (Drugs, of course, are foremost among the reasons that there are police rave squads.) What makes techno's crypto-Dionysianism modern is that there's a third element. It's not God anymore; these days it's the machine. That means the machinery of electronic music-making itself--the speaker, the microphone, and the guitar as well as that electric- music exemplar, the synthesizer--but also the other machines whose noises compose the soundtrack of everyday 20th-century life. Early in the century, Italy's futurists celebrated the speed and noise of mechanical transportation--and also the "hygienic" violence of war. Two world wars later, tanks weren't looking quite so good, but Kraftwerk was still prepared to salute speed and its hum, swoosh, and clang with such pioneering titles as "Autobahn," "Tour de France," and "Trans-Europe Express." Whether trains, planes or the dance floor, electrobeats exalt movement; Skin Up offers a 146- beats-per-minute "Rat Race Mix" of its "Acceleration" (on Big Hard Disk Vol. 1), while Moby's new major-label debut is simply called Move. Yet there's also movement toward stillness, which is where venerable British space-rocker Steve Hillage comes in. Mark E. Smith's tribulation about the rebirth of hippie art-rock as cutting-edge underground music is understandable, but this is hardly the first time that bleep-bleep has been hip. Almost 20 years ago, a critical colleague known for his colorful but perverse judgements told me of his new favorite, Tangerine Dream: "It sounds like bubbles rising from the bottom of the ocean," he enthused. Tangerine Dream went on to near-mainstream success and then to the career its music had long suggested, programming movie soundtracks. Punk soon cast its withering gaze on the synthesizer and Virgin, the label that had released Tubular Bells just three years before, signed the Sex Pistols. Suicide's debut album was released the same year as the Pistols', though, and the late-'70s bargain-bin arrival of albums by such German space-rockers as Faust, Neu, Amon Duul, and especially Can presaged the rise of Teuton-tutored post- punk bands like Public Image Ltd. Meanwhile, Bowie and his electro guru, Eno, had moved to berlin to soak up the decadence--and the techniques of Kraftwerk and Giorgio Moroder, master of the mechanized beat that clatters still in hiphop and techno. Around the same time, Eno gave new meaning to a word much bandied about by the electro movement(s): ambient. Ambient house (or just ambient) doesn't have much in common with the aural wallpaper promulgated by '70s Eno efforts like Discreet Music and Music for Airports. On such recent releases as Moby's Ambient, Excursions in Ambience--in this scene, proclaiming your subgenre is very important--and Amorphous Androgynous: Tales of Ephidrina ("directed by the Future Sound of London"), the sound is trippier than standard techno's and the beat sometimes vanishes for the more meditative passages. Yet even though it occasionally sounds like bubbles rising from the bottom of the ocean, most of the time ambient features the same insistent electropulse as other techno. Anything may go in this music, but the anything that usually goes is very similar to everybody else's. That's one of the most interesting lessons to be learned from several months of off-and-on listening to more than 25 techno discs, many of them compilations but some credited to such rising (or perhaps shooting) stars as Utah Saints, Definition FX, Orbital, the Prodigy, Fortan 5, Lords of Acid, Digital Orgasm, Sheep on Drugs, LaTour and others. Techno, it turns out, is a wide-open field with a fierce orthodoxy, much like the movement from which it seems to have borrowed many of its gambits, punk. Techno comes from all over the place: Belgium, the U.S., Germany, Italy, Japan, and most of all Britain, uncontested champ in creating youth/music subcultures. With its trendy weekly music papers, floating dance-party clubs, and influential little record stores, London is a hothouse for germinating strange hybrids. (Rough Trade started as a record store, and now its Portobello Road neighbor, Vinyl Solution, has a techno label, distributed in the U.S. by no less than Columbia/Sony.) The acid-house movement of the late '80s techno's precursor, was just the second (or third or...) coming of neo-disco in London. Following on punk's heels---and sometimes emulating its do-it- yourself sound, throwaway one shot singles, confrontational graphics, shock-horror fashions, and penchant for pseudonyms--were both the fleetingly popular New Romantics and such cultish but still influential outfits as Throbbing Gristle, Pragvec, pre- crossover Human League, and Cabaret Voltaire. Indeed, with all due respect to the sound of Chicago's house and Detroit's techno originators and such arty electro labels as Play It Again, Sam (Brussels) and Wax Trax (Chicago), Cabaret Voltaire seems the fountainhead of much techno. (The Cab's Richard Kirk himself now makes techno, under such brand names as Sandoz and Sweet Exorcist, whose "Test Four" is on Aural Ecstasy: The Best of Techno.) Thus, although techno's babybottle/pacifier iconography symbolizes its alleged role as music for people too young to remember Gary Numan, its sound is almost classical. Recasting the remix as the main event, techno strips down synth-pop, generally throwing out such reactionary elements as melody, lyrics, and live singing; for techno, its not the singer or the song. (One reason for this is that early techno was, ironically, low-tech. Pioneering Detroit techno-maker Derrick May's mixes were so simple, Jon Savage reported in the Village Voice, because they were done on basic analog cassette equipment.) With little more than a global-village beat, techno can sound like a universal language (its catch phrases are, of course, in English, pop music's lingua franca). Yet this synth-Esperanto seldom has much to say. Often a techno track is merely a beat and a sample: Electroset's "How Does It Feel? (Theme >>From Techno Blues)" (from Only for the Headstrong Vol. II) and Utah Saints' "Something Good" (available on Headstrong Vol. II as well as an EP named for the track and an LP named for the group) would hardly exist without their samples from, respectively, New Order's "Blue Monday" an Kate Bush's "Cloudbusting." Song titles and even artists of record are sometimes identical to their samples: Likelife's "Like Life" (also from Headstrong Vol. II) takes its tag from the "it's a lot like life" line borrowed from Depeche Mode's "Master and Servant." Despite its willful cutting-up, though, techno hasn't changed neo- disco's underlying beat or, perhaps most importantly, its timbres. With all the possibilities provided by digital sampling, this music's dedication to electronic sounds seems almost quaint. (Sometimes, as when techno artists utilize such obsolete technology as the Moog analog synthesizer, it really is quaint.) Like so much pop futurism, techno is dedicated to an outdated notion of a slick, streamlined tomorrow. It's music for people who still think the future will really be the Jetsons, or something like them: robots doing the hokeypokey to the shrill melodies of touch-tone phones, microwave ovens, and modems. (The hook of Gumbo's "The Quickening," from Dragonfly: Project II Trance, sounds like a doorchime.) When a techno record kicks in, a reasonable first reaction is, "Oh, here it is, the future again." Aside from personal computers, now common both as compositional devices and as talismans, little has changed since pop-music futurism's previous runs. It's no leap for Richard Kirk, Steve Hillage (co-producer of 777's "Mia (the Fisherman Mix)" on Excursions in Ambience), and other synth-pop and space-rock veterans to mastermind techno. Stark as the new sound may be, many elements are familiar: the disco-diva refrains, the fake- orchestral swells, the decorative sampling of such non-Euro spices as sitar, shakuhachi, didgeridoo, and Middle Eastern chanting. Techno even reprises the goofy drug-addled irony and cosmic wonder of the hippie era: Radioactive Goldfish's "LSD Is a Bomb" (from Aural Ecstasy) features Jack Webb (in his Sgt. Joe Friday role) deploring the use of psychedelic drugs, and Black Sun's "The More You Look the More You See" (from Dragonfly samples that old New Left jokebook, Nixon's "Checkers" speech. (Dick's early-'60s nemesis, JFK, surfaces in Shaft's "Monkey (Bruce Lee vs. Monkey Mix)," from Headstrong Vol. II.) With hippie sunniness, meanwhile, Midi Rain's "Shine" commands, "Let your mind be a sun." Indeed, one of the striking things about techno is that in banishing most content its failed to rid itself of corniness. Oribtal's "Lush 3-1" and "Lush 3-2" (from Orbital 2) are intricate electro patterns, but the vocal chorale of its "Halcyon + On + On: really is lush; Apotheosis' "Obumbratta" (from Aural Ecstasy) sounds like a techno setting of the Red Army Chorus; both Zexos' "Angel of Love (Dub Pylon Mix)" and Young American Primitive's "Young American Primitive (Angel's Hand Mix)" (back to back on Futurhythms) feature church-music sopranos; and the pitter-patter of rain, a hoary new age cliche, is common on ambient tracks, including Moby's "The Rain Falls and the Sky Shudders" (from Move). Start using a Celtic whistle as a hook--as does King Arthur's "Magic Day (13th Century Mix)" (from Mindbending Climax: Technomancer 2)--and pretty soon you're in Big Country. To be sure, digital programming also offers new ways to be irksome, such as the annoying pitch modulations and phasing common on Tresor II: Berlin/Detroit: A Techno Alliance (an album of German, not Michiganer thumping). Still, it's those digibeats that distinguish most of the best techno. For every puckish Utah Saints, who can sample Kate Bush, Gwen Guthrie, and Slayer and retool Simple Minds' "New Gold Dream (81-82-83-84)" without misplacing its stirring pomp, there are 30 techno-logists whose wit is best left unexplored. Few Steve Reich or Maureen Tucker fans, though, can fail to thrill to the stuttering beats of Circuit Breaker's "Trac- X" (from Probe Mission USA), the complex polyrhythms of Das Rennan's "Pulse Versus 3 Phase" (from Tresor II), or "Patients" (>>From Futurhythms). Such clanging may not provide everything I want from pop music, but it's as Dionysian as it wants to be. As for the future, well, have you heard the Hollies' box set? We Have the Techno-Graphy (Discs mentioned in this essay): Ambient, Moby (Instinct); Amorphous Androgynous: Tales of Ephidrina, various artists (Astralwerks/Caroline); Aural Ecstasy: The Best of Techno, various artists (Relativity); Big Hard Disk Vol. 1, various artists (Smash/Island); Dragonfly: Project II Trance, various artists (Instinct); Excursions in Ambience, various artists (Caroline); Futurhythms, various artists (Medicine/Giant/Warner Bros.); Mindbending Climax: Technomancer II, various artists (Antler-Subway/Caroline); Move, Moby (Electra); Only for the Headstrong Vol. II, various artists (FFRR); Probe Mission USA, various artists (Novamute/Tommy Boy); Shine, Midi Rain (Vynil Solution/Columbia); Tresor II: Berlin/Detroit: A Techno Alliance (Novamute/Tommy Boy); Utah Saints and Something Good, Utah Saints (London). As always, Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 21:51:49 1993 From: andrew m. boardman Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 00:51:38 EDT Subject: another THANK YOU! Status: From what I have heard (third or fourth hand), something catastrophic happened to the ne raves software and Joe just was too busy to fix it all up. Actually, it looks like it was just one bad (local) address that was causing the gnu machine to choke on the list distribution... I was thinking about just going ahead and fixing it 'cause I have an account there, but I figured I'd give cutter a day or two to work it out. Looks like it doesn't matter now, though. I'll wander off now to see what this VOODOO club gig in NJ is all about... drew From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 21:58:18 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 0:38:11 EDT Subject: Re: Rave-o-Matic Status: > > Friday, October 15 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 885-7440 O.K. Lets hold up here for one moment and set the record straight!!!!! Sunshine II will be on SATURDAY OCTOBER 16!!! NOT THE 15th!! > SUNSHINE II dz5401a@american.edu > > Craftsman productions and dcraves present the next day... > > Sunshine II > > A new evolution in the district. > > info: dz5401a@american.edu or (202) 885-7440 > > we support MGP, the underground, and freaky dancers > _______________________________________________________________________________ Here also is some updated information on the event: SUNSHINE II : Enjoy the warm vibes of a new dawn in the District Saturday, October 16th 10 pm - 8 am Dj's: Neuromancer (Tronic Records/ DC-Frankfurt) Mars (Outerspace) Mr. SparklE (Hartford) Tiff'n E (Richmond VA/ WDCE) John Rainbow (El Yunque,Puerto Rico) Chuck (DC/ WVAU) SLiP (GrooveNet) possible appearances by: Daz-e (Hartford/PeterB's), Doughs (Hartford-DC/WVAU) (we'll see :) ?? Decorations by Fierce Ruling Diva Smartbar by Liquid Technology Virtual Environment by Rob C. Lasers by 2T The American University, Gianni Lounge No Alcohol - No Attitude Admission - $5 This microrave brought to you by: dcraves@american.edu WVAU doughs Info & Directions : 202.973.2109 dz5401a@american.edu All Profits go to student-run campus radio WVAU 101.7 FM 610 AM we support M.G.P. _________ doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu dz5401a@american.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 22:16:54 1993 From: phred@well.sf.ca.us (Fred Heutte) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 22:16:36 -0700 Subject: Re: test Status: re-ne-raves and tnx Brian and Danarchy . . . :) From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 22:18:52 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 0:28:06 EDT Subject: YES!! (??) Status: COOL COOL COOL COOL! The cybertribal vibe lives on? Thanks to all who fixed it! Love, O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 22:31:28 1993 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 22:31:54 -0700 Subject: New SF DJ -Dante! Status: Yes,its true,he is moving out here!! And pretty soon,I hear. -C. From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 22:37:09 1993 From: nivekogr@MIT.EDU Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 01:36:56 EDT Subject: NYR: Outlaw last Friday? Status: I was wondering if anyone was able to make it to Outlaw's event last Friday night featuring DX-13, Joel, Keoki, etc.? I was unable to attend but from calling the Outlaw number Sat. morning it seemed it had been busted and moved to Home Planet in Providence. Anybody have any first hand info? Makes me wonder about the 'Back 2 Basics Goes Camping' event this weekend in Southern RI. If they were planning to have it at the same place as the Outlaw events it seems as though that may be spoiled now. Anyhow, I'll call Groove tomorrow to see if I can get any info. Anybody else get the '199303' comp on Silent Records? 13 tracks of, you guessed it ...ACID... that takes you back to 1988. In my mind 3 tracks stood out, especially 'Spy Satellite' from 303 Terrorists and 'Pulsenation' from DTS. -Chris Teixeira From ne-raves-owner Wed Sep 29 23:50:11 1993 From: Machine Media <0005995336@mcimail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 06:42 GMT Subject: :D Status: BIPEDS: I think there is gonna B a B2B this weekend. I'll post more when I have time. I just want 2 thank Dan, Brian, & Laura 4 all they've done, so Thank you, uh, thank you very much. I'm back, cyberstylin' hard with a new 660AV :) Elvis has re-entered the building! (grin) PEACE OUT :) MARK From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 07:04:35 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:04:33 EDT Subject: B2B/Outlaw Status Status: Here's a report on Outlaw 6 that was held in a VERY illegal warehouse location near Providence after the regular spot was busted last weekend. yo Laura and the Groove posse, I hope things get worked out for this or some other location soon. Adam or Heather needs to get in touch with Tim to work this out. The old location may still be OK, but they'll need to get in touch with Tim to work out the details of what happened with the cops last weekend. BELATED OUTLAW 6 REPORT: Arrived at the regular place late (around 1:30) only to be greeted by a couple of cop vehicles and a few kids giving directions to the alternate site. I guess Tim got the site to setup and a stones throw away a bunch on frat boys were having a outdoor kegger. The cops soon came and busted the kegger and, of course, by the mere fact of being in the same area and being relatively of the same age, Tim and friends were also hurridly removed. 1/2 hour north near Providence, we ended up at this HUGE old 3 floor warehouse. Tim knew some guy who rented space there and he had a key. The space was VERY cool. Gigantic open dirty warehouse space (but w/ clean bathrooms), wood floors and plastic covered windows. (ended up that the guy changed his mind about letting us stay later, but we did anyway.) I guess relocating scared away about 1/2 or more of the intended people. We were left with Oshin, Joel, Denard, and a crowd of about 50. Keoki showed up around 4:30 to the delight of many club kids. The vibe this time 'round was fleeting at best. The space was too big for the amount of people and the crowd and vibe reminded me more of a club than a gathering of TRANCE junkies. Oshin started it off at around 2:30 once the party got going. Denard was up next with a pretty cool 2 hour set. Joel went on for about 15 minutes until the Tim pulled him off so that Keoki could spin until we shut down at 9:30ish. barf. Nobody really danced. Like I said there was more attitude this time than vibe. Oh well. Tim is in limbo right now about the future of these parties. Outdoors just aren't going to work anymore with winter on the way and he's scrambling to find indoor space while making up for his numerous losses. I'm trying to stay positive in the hope that this week was just a one time thing. Funny, but the "bigger" these events have become, the less I've liked them. It's not the size of the event that bothers me, it's more the type of event. In my experience, _one_ of the things that some BIG name DJ's bring to a party is a whole lotta musically indifferent club attitude. I tend to have less of a good time at them too. Just an observation. Stay tuned for the next chapter of Outlaw. dave. From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 08:18:39 1993 From: laura@soda.berkeley.edu (Laura La Gassa) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:18:32 -0700 Subject: B2B Rumors Status: according to the flyer I have there will be a back-to-basics campout/rave in Southern Rhode Island this Saturday. DJ include Adam X, Jimmy Crash, Heather, Carlos, K-5, Deadly Buda, Yoohoo, and Sprout. Bring drums, camping gear, and dress warmly. For info call Groove at 718-714-5232 Laura From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 08:28:51 1993 From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 11:19:17 EDT Subject: NYR: Outlaw 5 review [or Fun times in the Northeast...] Status: Cybertribe, This past weekend, Jenn and I drove up to Rhode Island to go to Outlaw 5. I had left from work at Bell Labs in Middletown, NJ, on Friday and drove out to Kutztown, PA, to get my girlfriend, Jenn. After resting up there we got ready and went to get food at the "Pied Piper Diner," where the food's good and the prices are even better. After an incident with a dead fly in Jenn's food, we finally got going around 11pm. It took us around 5 hours to drive out of PA, through NJ, NY, AND Conneticut, then finally into Rhode island. That's probably the furthest I've ever driven. We got to the outdoor woods site around 3:30am and ended up finding out that the Outlaw party had been moved to Providence! I had hooked Keoki up with a ride from Taxi (fellow NE-Raver and Lehigh U grad) and they were at the corner store near the original spot using the payphone. It was really wierd, because we wondered if they were two lost ravers and were trying to get directions, so we stopped to find out, then realized who it was! Tim had left directions to the second site on his voice mail, and they were getting them down, when three other cars pulled up. Low and behold, who should it be but other NE-Ravers: Jeannie Finks, Chris Mello, Grant, Brendan McDougall, and The new location was not at Home Planet, but at this place called Big Top which was an artist's loft place. We formed a small convoy and headed to Providence. After speeding at about 80 miles an hour the whole way (damn you people drive fast up there!), we got to the spot after 4am. There were only like 25 people there, but the spot was amazing. Denard was spinning and playing some cool stuff, sorta trancy. A few people were dancing, most were sitting around listening or exploring the building. Joel came on for a little while after Denard when Keoki couldn't be found. But shortly after Keoki took over the turntables and played some nice trance, too. He got on around 6am and spun til around 7:30 when Osheen started again. By 8am when I was supposed to DJ, there was really no one still dancing, and the other NE-Ravers wanted to get going, so I just told Tim O'keefe, the kid throwing the party, that I was just going to take off and I think he felt bad that I drove all the way up for that. But it wasn't a big deal, becuase the next day in Boston was great and by far made up for it. The lighting consisted of a spinning colored wheel light and a strobe. The sound system was good for the place and sounded fine. No technical complaints at all, just wish that more people would have been there. A lot of people got lost in the shuffle from the first site to the second. The reason the first site got busted was that there was a keg party going on near the Outlaw rave with a bunch of jocks, and the police stumbled on to them, kicked them out, then found the Outlaw party and got rid of them (probably thinking they were all part of the same group). The last person left the site at 1:30am and it wasn't until 3am that they had the place set up over in Providence. I found this all out from Tim just as we were leaving. Oh, well. I don't know what to say for those of you thinking about going up for the back to Basics party there because it IS planned on being at the same spot, FYI. It will be fucking cold, though, just to warn you...I will be keeping warm at the Newburgh skatepark for Polaris =) Jenn and I went with Brendan back to his cool pad at Brandeis and slept there for a little while and tried to play with his two very shy kittens. A little later, Oz and Chris Mello showed up and took us into Boston and we went shopping. There are some pretty cool shops in Boston. The one record store we went to, I think it was Boston Beat, was really good, and you could mix the records you'd picked out on a pair of 1200 there for the customer's use. Definately key. Oz showed me some good picks (which I bought) and I got a record bag (FINALLY). After grabbing some Pizza for dinner (all of us starving having only eaten some goodgood eggs at Brendan's house early on), the four of us went to Neith's dorm room at Simmons College. Neith got ready and we all went out to "Venus de Milo" for Disco night. I was looking forward to it, but Oz wasn't so optimistic because of the type of people that would be there. And, when we got to the club area before we had even gotten into the club, some guy started with me and it was beginning to seem like this would be really lame after all. The place was packed and everyone was dancing. Despite my last minute reservations, it was really fun. Oz made a comment on how raves nowadays don't have as much energy as that club did, and that was sort of depressing. The highlight was when they played Barry Manilow's "Copacabana" (which I picked up yesterday for 50 cents [I scored big]). After it was all over, Oz, Chirs, Neith, Jenn, and I walked back to Neith's, got our stuff, said our goodbyes to Neith and Chris, and headed back to Brandeis to stay at Oz's place. On Sunday, Oz, Jenn, and I went to eat breakfast at this pancake house that reminded me of a Perkins from the early 80's before they had remodeled from that 70's style. After some bad eggs, we headed back to OZ's to pack our stuff. We split around 1:30pm and after multiple stops for food and bathroom, we got back to Kutztown, PA around 9:30pm. A long-ass trip. I had a good time, but was very irritable all weekend from lack of sleep and the strain of driving. It was pretty exciting. Boston was really nice and I definately recommend that other NE-ravers go out there to meet up with the Boston NE-raves crew, they are definately cool people. Many thanks for letting Jenn and I stay. Peace always, Mars From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 08:44:48 1993 From: robcamp@tmn.com (Robert Campanell) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 11:45:26 EDT Subject: New SF DJ -Dante! Status: Bummer :-( He's my favorite DJ. Even if all the DJs suck, I will still go to the event just to hear Dante. There nobody on the east coast that compares to him. How come SF has all the good DJs? - Rob From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 09:06:40 1993 From: Steve Hormell Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 11:48:40 EDT Subject: NASA Rumor, Casper Status: I heard that Nasa's Mask-a-Rave may be moving a day previous (OCT. 29) Not sure of the reason, but probibly so Casper won't step on it's toes. If you haven't heard about Casper- It's going to be at an amusement park in RI (outside Providence) There is going to be a satelite link up to the Casper rave happening in SF, the rides will run all night and so will the bonfires with a tribal drum pit and camping. I talked to the organizer last night and Casper will be phat n' all dat. I'll post further info as i recieve it. No word on DJ's. -- Fluffhead From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 09:14:16 1993 From: "__cmellow__" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:14:09 -0400 Subject: outlaw abridged... Status: soo, i guess its safe to post a review now :) but i'll skip the parts about hanging out in the woods and i'll even skip the part about outlaw :) umm, actually then i guess this is just to say thanks to grant, neith, oz, brendan, jeannie, jshiple, mars, and jenn for the fun weekend. i would also recomend hanging out in the boston area with these folks :) its quite fun :) umm, about the sight for b2b, it could work out fine. i think the only reason that tim had to move was because they kind of got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. who knows if the cops would have made them leave if there hadn't been the group of "jocks" having a keg party. i don't know, check it out though. you can see more stars from out there than i've seen in a good long time. and i read something about an alien abduction taking place near there, so.. :) see some of you at polaris? :) chris "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -aldous huxley in a letter to albert hofmann From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 09:27:42 1993 From: Jeanne Finks Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:28:10 -0500 (EDT) Subject: Outlaw five..... Status: Well, it was 1am- John Shiple and I finally headed down to the Outlaw site, or so we thought..... With clear directions we got there in an hour, only to find nothing going on. There were 2 cars near the entrance of the dirt road- one empty mysterious vehicle that seemed to be there all night, and another which had people in it. We approached the car to get some info., and lo and behold, it was Grant and Chris Mellow! From the entrance of the dirt road to the actual site takes like 10 From: ??? Date: ??? Subject: ??? Status: Apparently, they had been there a while with no success. It's a shame cause several cars and a few taxis had driven through and turned back. (one of the taxi meters read like $52.00!!--poor souls) Our two vehicles ended up sticking around; Brendan showed up too. Yes, we tried earlier to call the info#, but there were no new messages (we later found out that Tim was having problems changing it). Also, the payphone which wasn't like around the corner, would only accept a certain amt. of chg., plus John and I were having troubles with the operator. Making a simple collect call and using a calling card were futile. We were hoping to reach someone that might know what the hell was going on- i think if the UFOs just decided to land by that lonely phonebooth, and take us away, it would have made our nights-hehehehe. In the meantime, virtual Keoki and co. arrived (was it the imposter Keoki--revolting, isn't it?!?). They decided to drive off into the forest and then eventually drive away. We decided to head over to HomePlanet 35 min. north in Providence. However, as we came upon the evil phonebooth, there were several cars adjacent, and we stopped. Aside from Keoki, Mars and Jenn were there. Well, it was the K-man on the phone to his mgr. trying to get a info., and luckily we stopped 'cause he got the directions to the new site. As I asked him for them, I realized I had been to this warehouse 2 yrs. ago for an EBN event. So Keoki immediately appoints me to lead the way (thanks for asking) and with 4 cars in tow, we got there at 4-4:30. As Dave said, the space is large. Denard was in the middle of what turned out to be an amazing set. With a crippling flu, I was just too tired to get into it....many people there seemed to be drifting about also ...... Joel went up briefly, then Keoki. During Keoki's set, we packed up and left. After driving up a ways, Mars never got to spin. But that can be expected with the territory! It was lovely meeting him and Jenn, and I gather they and cmellow (who drove down fr. VT) had a good weekend hanging out with the Boston folk who took them all over. Oh, I was talking with Tim, and Keoki might do a future B2B....hmmmmmm. well, if anyone is planning to come up for this weekend, as you've read, dress warmly--heat generators would be key but i'll stop dreaming now. -jeannie . . / \ / \ /^^^\___/^^^\ / \ | (0) (0) | ------- .U. ------- \ - / jfinks@cs.brandeis.edu \____W ___/....the cyberkitty *meow* ^^^^^^^^^ From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 09:44:07 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:44:01 -0700 Subject: Re: New SF DJ -Dante! Status: Maybe Rob was kidding when he said "How come SF has all the good DJs?" but just in case . . . SF *doesn't* have all the good DJs. Ron D. Core (brilliant hard trance) is in LA. Taylor (not taylor 808) is in LA. Carlos Tera (East Coast's best unknown DJ) is in NYC. Adam X (as an acid junkie, not hardcore maven) is in NYC. Lenny Dee (the only hardcore DJ you've admitted you can enjoy, Rob) is in NYC. Jimmy Crash (as dark trance from beyond the universe, not hardcore only) is in NYC. Then there are other well-loved local favorites like Overload (Maine) and dieselBoy (Pittsburgh). It seems that SF has a good share of good house/progressive house/funky-tribal DJs . . . but we have Enrique (who had to temporarily move back to the Dominican Republic or wherever his family is from, I'm sorry to report). And of course, there's Onionz, who is still here out East but is rumored to be moving to SF too. (Yeah, just what SF needs 2 BIG NAME prog. house DJs moving to the city in the same time period, will the up-and-coming people EVER get a break?). Laura From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 10:07:20 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 13:07:24 EDT Subject: BOSTON ONLY: Andrew Wolf Status: Sorry for the noise you non-Bostonians, but... Anybody in Boston hear Andrew Wolf's show on ZBC Monday night? Holy shit it was great!! I don't usually listen to Monday ZBC 6-10, but I will now. It was some really cool hard trance. Alot of older stuff, but a real nice sounding set, no annoying station id's or breaks. It was a great 2 hour set of some fantastic music. I'm really looking to find out if anyone had the chance to tape it. I was on my way home from work listening (and wishing I was taping it). I got about an hour of the 7-8 block on tape, but the 6-7pm block was the best. get in touch. dave From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 10:25:18 1993 From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:53:09 EDT Subject: NYR: Voodoo Review Status: Cybertribe, Last night I went to Mixed up's "Voodoo" at the Roxy in New Brunswick, NJ. The cover is only like $3 or something like that and it opens at 10pm and closes at 2am. The place is a well known college bar right near Rutgers University. You have to be 18 to get in and 21 to drink. They give you a special bracelet if you're a drinker. The sound is mediocre as well as the lights--just one rainbow light and strobes, no fog. The place is small and has a bar up front and the dance floor in the back. When I first arrived with my two friends, Jim and Vasil, there wern't too many people there. Vinny, Mr. Fun, was spinning some progressive house. That was pretty much the style all night: house, trance, tribal. Jim and I had met Vinny last year at the opening night of the Thunderground, and Jim and Vinny discovered they had mutual friends, who all were at "Voodoo" as well. What I am getting at is that we ended up knowing a lot of the people there. It is a very local scene with a guidoy/hip-hop/technoish New Jersey crowd mainly in college at Rutgers or one of the local community colleges. The crowd was pretty much the same as the one for the full moon rave in New Brunswick in July. It started to get more crowded as the night went on and by 1am it was pretty packed. Richie Rich is the resident DJ for Voodoo and is pretty good. The music was fun and the people were amiable. I have been to the Roxy on other nights and thiswas definately a lot better than those other nights that have much more attitude and unfriendliness. In the coming weeks, as more people hear about it, it is going to get packed out to the point where it will be hard to find room to dance. So, I'd recommend you come check it out before it stops being friendly and fun (that seems to be the way a dance night goes as time moves on). They were filming a commercial for Bud Lite that night there which was kind of wierd. Don't get me wrong, though, we all had a really good time and definately plan on going back there on a regular basis. If you live resonably close (i.e. within an hours drive of New Brunswick), it's great, and worth driving to from out of state if you want to come out to meet up with us New Jersey net-ravers. It reminds me a lot of the Wednesday night dance nights at the Trocadero in Philly and exactly like Rainbow Playground on Saturday night at the Casbah in Philly. I'll keep y'all posted. Send me e-mail if you're going to go next week and definately call Jenn's raveline up to get on the guestlist. OK? Peace brothers and sisters, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu (908) 724 - 9711 (TM) d i r e c t f r o m M A R S "...out of this world cyber-wear" =============================================================================== From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 11:18:09 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Outlaw 5 - The Apocalypse :) Status: Hi Gang, Well, at least some form of NE-Raves is running to post this :) What more can I say about Outlaw than that it was real good for meeting and chatting with fellow NE-Ravers :) No dancing type vibe, despite attempts at trancing / jumping on the floor after we finally got there around 4:30am. Also despite the best efforts of some weed and some Stealth-E ( it would skulk around your system and occasionally surprise you with a burst of feeling - all the side effects but no good times - sigh :). I still rekon it was Nexxus and we missed the trigger but I'll conceed that maybe it was dud E and I was too uptite to let it flow :). Hey, one of the other hi-lights of the night was finally getting to see the Mars probe -oh, sorry, he drives a Mitsubishi, that's rite :) The outdoor location was so cool - I haven't seen stars like that since looking at Halley's Comet in the Ozzie outback ( and of course, they were in different places, etc - nothing like changing hemispheres to make you feel totally alien :). Hope B2B uses the same place and doesn't get busted like Outlaw... The indoor location was soooooooo cool - I fell in love with it as we walked up the stairs - those corridors, the desolation, the loud thumping base, the old geezers downstairs who totally ignored us as we said hi. When can I move in there???? It's the greatest - that kind of place is where I want to live, etc... ( but I'll stick to Fenway for now :) The Vibe??????? Next question.... It just wasn't there - maybe we missed it or maybe there were too few people for such a large place -who knows, it just didn't happen :( Another good thing - going shopping on Newberry St with Chris - visiting record stores and forcing down scrambled eggs back at the cafe in Fenway. Let's here it for King of Impulse Shopping awards - and I thort my Sister was bad :) Worst thing about that cool mellow feeling you get coming off a rave / e / speed / etc - I can't say no to CD's or cool things in stores - my bank account hates me then :) Major hi point - finally getting a copy of Reactivate 5 on disk - wooooooo :) Anyhow - big "HI" and hugs to all I met that night and thanks heaps to Chris for putting up with me in the car on the way there and back. Man, that steroe of yours really cranked when we turned the Honda into a Mobile Chill Room for the trip home - now *that* was when the Stealth-E came out to play :) I hope to go to B2B with luck - let's hope it goes off better than Outlaw :) Grant From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 11:37:23 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: a few waxy things Status: Not *highly* appropriate to IDM but I thought that it might interest some. Just a few new things I felt needed mentioning. -BonesBreak 8: progressive aggressive freestyle fusion EP ..from our friend Frankie. Has a radical, aggressive reworking of JayDees plastic dreams. Also some Adam X/Jimmy Crash stuff. -Josh Winks "feeling good" on Sorted records. I was also surprised to see Taylors Prototype909 on vinyl. I believe it was on Sonic records. niiiiiiice. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ _ /,_) \ \ (_ ) ) ( ) _( (/ \\ ( (_ (_) ( (_( \) brit@ravel.udel.edu From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 11:38:50 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: How To Have Fun in Philly :) Status: Hey Folks, Well, my trip to Philadelphia was great from a work perspective ( client is happy, problems are solved and general warm fuzzies all around :) and, thanks to some info from DJ Rush, I managed to geta phone number for an info line that lead me to Vagabond, the roving party. It was playing at Casbah down on Bank St ( which is off Market between 2nd & 3rd ), cost $6 to get in and played some interesting stuff for a Monday night... I walked from the SmithKline Beecham tower on 16th down to Market and then past town hall to Bank, way down in the old city area. It was pretty dead but there were a few groups gathered here and there. I got in around 10:30 - 11pm and had a few drinks at the bar listening to the music and just relaxing after a wacked day at the cients'. Around midnight the music started to jump and so did I. I stayed on the dnce floor until 1:30 when I walked home the way I came ( the locals at SB were amazed I wasn't mugged when I told them about it the next day - I dunno - it was dead quiet and empty ). If anyone from Philly was there and wondering who I was - I was wearing jeans, a white "Stoned Longer" Kiwi shirt ( take off of NZ's Stone Larger logo :) and a blue fuzzy jacket with a hood. Kept to myself and tranced off ( sort of ) in the corner. Next day the client and I had lunch down at Joes ( I think ) on South St near 4th - just across from 611 records. We stopped in the record store on the way out and I picked up a PROBE disk ( the early one with that non-Usura "Open Your Mind" track on it - cool disk ) and a Moby disk that had been made in UK and had different tracks and mixes to the local one ( white cover with Moby's face and a fish & gears, etc ). Bent, mate.... All up, I managed to have in Philly. Thanks to DJ Rush for the info, Vagabond for the party, 611 Records for the cool sounds and wild disks and, of course, to the clients at SmithKline Beecham without whom non of this would have been possible ... Grant From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 11:44:13 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Connection II Tapes Status: Hey ( again :), I seem to have left my A & E tape from the Connection II set back in Oz - I have the cover but no tape :( Are there any single copies of this tape floating about that I can get ( it was my favourite one with the "Sharp & Flat" one next ). I'm missing it badly and no-one in Oz can find it... :( Any help would be appreciated - thanks... Grant From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 12:14:00 1993 From: robcamp@tmn.com (Robert Campanell) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 15:14:29 EDT Subject: Re: New SF DJ -Dante! Status: Well I was kidding about SF having all the good DJs. There are several others on the east coast who Laura left of the list, most notably, Scott Henry (Baltimore) and Wink (Philly). I hate to hear more rumors about Onionz taking flight to SF too. This is too much bad news for one persons to take in a day. :-( - Rob From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 12:39:37 1993 From: phred@well.sf.ca.us (Fred Heutte) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:38:56 -0700 Subject: Re: New SF DJ -Dante! Status: To add to Laura's comments, there are plenty of good DJs all over the place. Even here in Portland, Oregon :) In the Northwest, Donald Glaude and DJ Lyte are standouts in Seattle, Czech from Vancouver is great, and Portland has Mike Stevens among others. From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 12:43:28 1993 From: Mike Perkowitz Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: t-shirt of the day Status: seen on someone here on the UW campus: WE'RE HERE WE'RE QUEER AND WE HAVE E-MAIL hee. mike From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 12:51:06 1993 From: Mike Perkowitz Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 12:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A worldwide demographic synopsis (fwd) Status: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- If we could at this time shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely 100 with all existing human ratios remaining the same, it would look like this: There would be 57 Asians, 21 Europeans, 14 from the Western Hemisphere (North & South America), and 8 Africans. Seventy would be non-white, 30 white. Seventy would be non-Christian, 30 Christian. Fifty percent of the entire world wealth would be in the hands of only 6 people, and all 6 would be citizens of the United States. Seventy would be unable to read, 50 would suffer from malnutrition, and 80 would live in sub-standard housing. Only 1 would have a college education. When one considers our world from such an incredibly compressed perspective, the need for both tolerance and understanding becomes glaringly apparent. From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 12:57:40 1993 From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu (Prince of Darkness) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: t-shirt of the day Status: Mike perkowitz notes : > seen on someone here on the UW campus: > > WE'RE HERE > WE'RE QUEER > AND WE HAVE > E-MAIL yeah. check out the topic headline in WIRED 1.4 the little article about homosexuals and e-mail. it has the same name. breaks, dB From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 13:50:06 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New SF DJ -Dante! Status: On Thu, 30 Sep 1993, Robert Campanell wrote: > There are several others on the east coast who Laura left of the list, most > notably, Scott Henry (Baltimore) and Wink (Philly). Definately incomplete without these two. Both Josh and Scott blew me away at the Ultraworld, something they always seem to achieve. > I hate to hear more rumors about Onionz taking flight to SF too. This > is too much bad news for one persons to take in a day. :-( Onionz has been running coast to coast for a while now it seems. I dont think we'll *really* lose them.....DJs like Dante and Onionz seem to get around a lot. There always seems to be at least one west coast DJ over here, often more, and I think Dante and crew will still be around to make us smile. Incidentally, Onionz AND Josh Wink AND Scott Henry are scheduled to spin in Delaware of all places, this saturday. I think i'll be going. -Fluid From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 14:17:52 1993 From: martin@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu (Martin Berger) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 17:21:20 EDT Subject: Re: A worldwide demographic synopsis (fwd) Status: Attention, completely rave-unrelated message. Feel free to ignore! The statistics in Mike's message seem obscure: 70 % non white 70 % unable to read given that almost all white people can read (at least in Europe and North America) the above figures would imply that most non white people can't. This I find hard to belive. As far as I know most east asian countries are doing pretty well educationwise. 50% of the entire world wealth would be in the hands of only 6 people, and all 6 would be citizens of the United States I tend to think that a significant amount of the worlds wealth is owned by the lucky members of the ruling clans of oil rich arab states. And Japan commands quite a bit of the worlds economy, too. Some european countries are not doing to bad either. When one considers our world from such an incredibly compressed perspective, the need for both tolerance and understanding becomes glaringly apparent. I fail to understand that reasoning. Should a poor sudanese guy fill his tummy with my tolerance? Will a Bosnian war victim's situation improve if I am understanding? It appears to me that the need for a mayor change in world trade arrangements is the only thing that becomes glaringly apparent. Martin From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 14:21:47 1993 From: Mike Perkowitz Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: A worldwide demographic synopsis (fwd) Status: not that i meant to start a discussion on this or anything.. but i think the thrust of the blurb is pointing out to westerners, particularly americans, how many people there are who are not us. not christian, educated, fed, wealthy... mike From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 14:30:12 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 06:50:14 EDT Subject: What happened? Status: I guess I missed all this - I went a way for a while - came back and I had no NERAVES mail....... I tried to erite to mit, and nothing happened. Can someone fill me in???????!?!?!?!?! Thanks /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 14:34:45 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 07:51:46 EDT Subject: TECH-NOMAD II Status: This weekend will be tech nomad II. It will be outside again, saturday night. No one important.....no one that amazing...... Bring your smile, leave you attitude. Tech-NOMAD II will start at 10pm on the umaine campus. Interested persons should e-mail back. /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 14:35:14 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 08:01:59 EDT Subject: One more Thing>>>>>>!>!>! Status: I am so glad t his is back up!?!?!?! I felt so disconnected from the world! From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 14:35:04 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 07:58:43 EDT Subject: FMR next week? Status: There are rumors around here (MAINE) of a FMR, noone knows if it is in Portland, or somewhere o n the cape? Any info /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 14:50:07 1993 From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ...Polaris Anyone? Status: .....anybody going to this event?.. Anyone heard of Nigel Richards or Rio- what do they play?...... SquiggleMan From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 15:02:14 1993 From: Speed Racer Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 11:22:04 EDT Subject: B2b/outlaw Status: Hey all, I went to the outlaw event this past weekend too, but i didn't stick around. I got to the first site at about 12:30, already busted, and then headed to the second site at the Atlantic Mills complex in lovely Olneyville :P I ended up waiting in the parking lot until about 2:30 until i got sick of just waiting and sick of the crowd that i was surrounded by. Definite attitude, as dave already stated. it sort of killed my mood. Anyway, if this is the indication of what small events are going to be like in the state of RI, then i'm seriousl y considering starting up my own events...neraves style :) but anyhow.... if the B2B is indeed on for this weekend, and if anyone wants to hang out in my fair little state beforehand, I can show folks around and we can chill n junk. And i think i may be able to offer some crash space afterward, too. If anyone's interested, then email me or call me if you have my #. Stay fresh, kids... JP3 aka Speed Racer From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 15:12:16 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 18:12:17 EDT Subject: Re: ...Polaris Anyone? Status: > From ne-raves-owner@techno.Stanford.EDU Thu Sep 30 18:07:22 1993 > .....anybody going to this event?.. Anyone heard of Nigel Richards or Rio- > what do they play?...... Rio played nice HAAARRRD House at the Atlantis after party at Home Planet. This was in March though. dave From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 15:36:31 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FEVER Status: Does anyone want to hang out at Fever tonight? I wanna go out and play! Melzie From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 15:45:35 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 15:45:23 -0700 Subject: Re: FMR next week? Status: Umm, question here? HOW can there be an FMR NEXT week when the moon comes full over the East Coast TONIGHT? Laura From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 17:18:27 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 07:53:18 EDT Subject: Ny Raves Status: I guess now since all of the mid atlantic states have been removed (functionall y) from this list, then we should start calling this list the New England Rave List. I think it is kind of redundant to have so many lists covering such a small are a. There are going to be many overlaps........ Well, another problem is the mod. I have never met this person, but let us recall. A leader has emerged - to head up this new list- I cannot help think about this person in a semi-sceptical vein. She WAS the seld styled NE-RAVES Mommie - YUK! -. Then at one momnet this summer she simply unloaded upon us all her frustration of motherhood. This tends to make me wonder - if this person is NOW the nyraves MOMMIE (again YUK!), she cannot simply decide one day not to be anymore. THis would leave the list in a lurch. does anyone else share my concern? - The stability of a comunitee is a direct result of the stability of its leaders. /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 17:39:39 1993 From: Machine Media <0005995336@mcimail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 00:19 GMT Subject: B2B Goes Camping Status: CURIOUS BIPEDS: B2BGC should happen in MA, around Worcester. It will start around 11 PM on Sat and could go until Mon morning ("depending on how hardcoah the people are," says Heather.) The number 4 location 411 is (617) 646-8077 (which doesn't seem 2 B working). I'll have the directions on Fri, contact me if U *know* me and I'll give 'em 2 ya. Add Denard, Osheen & Nigel Richards 2 Laura's posted DJ list. BRING FOOD & DRESS WARMLY There is a techno/house event at this usually gay club called the Santuary in Hartford 10/1 8PM-2AM 21+, Osheen, Mr. Trash, Joey G., Andy Taylor (:\ !), Richie Rich & Kris Kono. Call United Techno,(203) 646-6381 4 more info. Oh yeah, on the that demographics thing, all arguments presented so far are as wack as an electric toilet. Illiteracy is an issue with all ethnicities. Although Africa and mainland Asia have higher rates than Europe, there are plenty of illiterates in this country, and most of them are "white". So is intolerance. Shouldn't all people be more tolerant regardless of "what they are" or how the pie is split this century? What we need is increased respect 4 the rights & freedoms of the individual. Dividing bipeds on the basis of race, religion, sexual status, or visible prosperity is known as collectivism. Collectivism is the root of all injustice, and there is no room in this world for ethical agnosticism. PEACE OUT :) MARK From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 17:49:31 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 20:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Polaris Status: who is going to polaris? we are all meeting ahead of time...if you are going it will definatly be worth your while to meet up will us;) I'll post where we are meeting tomorrow ...or call the info line saturday night before you go and the location will be listed... 1.800.374.4434 ext 20051 (yes the number is toll free) Jennifer Smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 17:55:23 1993 From: "__cmellow__" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 20:55:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Polaris Status: i'll be there. and i'll be meeting before hand with mars, jenn, and whoever else shows up :) and if anyone knows a good diner then please post it! :) so we can meet there. latah chris "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -aldous huxley in a letter to albert hofmann From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 18:11:57 1993 From: Phil Z Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 21:11:45 EDT Subject: Re: Ny Raves Status: > Well, another problem is the mod. > > I have never met this person, but let us recall. A leader has emerged - to head > up this new list- > > I cannot help think about this person in a semi-sceptical vein. She WAS the > seld styled NE-RAVES Mommie - YUK! -. Then at one momnet this summer she > simply unloaded upon us all her frustration of motherhood. > This tends to make me wonder - if this person is NOW the nyraves MOMMIE (again > YUK!), she cannot simply decide one day not to be anymore. THis would leave > the list in a lurch. > > does anyone else share my concern? - The stability of a comunitee is a direct > result of the stability of its leaders. No, I don't share your concern. At all. I have met and know very well 'this person' and can tell you that Laura (it's all right, you can use her name) works pretty hard at keeping things moving on neraves, vrave, and now nyraves (technopolis). I'm simply amazed that anyone would criticize someone who selflessly chooses to build something like nyraves to communicate information and help people network. If you don't want to join the list, all the better to me. I'm even more amazed that you pick on Laura since she's one of the main reasons that you're able to use neraves to lodge your 'concerns'. Over the last week she worked to contact the overwraught list owner (Joe), worked to find an alternate sight in SF to temporarily run neraves, and has been working with Dan to move the list to its new permanent home. She's posed a lot of questions on vrave about getting backup owners to make sure that neraves doesn't disappear again. Doesn't sound particularly flighty to me. Unlike you. Phil Z From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 19:04:01 1993 From: "__cmellow__" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 22:03:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Ny Raves Status: In message Phil Z writes: > > I'm even more amazed that you pick on Laura since she's one of the main > reasons that you're able to use neraves to lodge your 'concerns'. Over > the last week she worked to contact the overwraught list owner (Joe), > worked to find an alternate sight in SF to temporarily run neraves, and > has been working with Dan to move the list to its new permanent home. > She's posed a lot of questions on vrave about getting backup owners to > make sure that neraves doesn't disappear again. Doesn't sound > particularly flighty to me. > > Unlike you. > > Phil Z > bravo phil! and thank you laura for everything you've done to keep ne-raves and the north-eastern net/rave scene alive and kicking! i, also, can't imagine having this kind of concern for someone who's given so much. chris "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -aldous huxley in a letter to albert hofmann From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 19:25:21 1993 From: donato@gnu.ai.mit.edu Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 22:24:31 -0400 Subject: Re: ...Polaris Anyone? Status: in ansewer to the question: "what does Rio play" dave (djm) answered: :...nice HAAARRD house..." i second that! a most beauitutiful set. if he still plays that stuff, i'm there !! donato ( donato @appplixcoming coming to you in 4 deimimensions: doanato@applix.com donato@world.stf.d.ccom om donato@gnu.ai.mit.edu donato @hotblack.schunix.dmc.com :) From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 19:52:03 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 22:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ny Raves Status: > I have never met this person, but let us recall. A leader has > emerged - to head up this new list- Her name is Laura - she doesn't hide behind a pseudonym, Mr. or Ms. Fish. > I cannot help think about this person in a semi-sceptical vein. She WAS the > seld styled NE-RAVES Mommie - YUK! -. Then at one momnet this summer she > simply unloaded upon us all her frustration of motherhood. I think the proverb about walking a mile in another's moccasins applies here. Laura and a few others around here have busted their asses (and sometimes got their asses busted) to provide support for the scene in this part of the U.S. And in the process, they've found out what a thankless job that can be, especially when, after putting everything they have into this, a few people come along with a lot of hot-air criticism, and *no* constructive suggestions for improvement. Might I remind you that she was not the one who coined that term? A few of the rest of us did, after seeing how so many people expected her to play that role. > she cannot simply decide one day not to be anymore. THis would leave > the list in a lurch. It's her list. She can do with it whatever she wants, including shut it down without asking your permission first. But it is wrong to presume that she or any other responsible person would do that without first making arrangements to have it taken over by someone else. > The stability of a comunitee is a direct > result of the stability of its leaders. Horsepuckey. The stability of a community is a direct result of its ability to withstand change. The last thing we need is a cult of personality, where as soon as the leaders make one mistake, the rest of the community can blame all its ills on that mistake and the fallibility of whoever made it. If as soon as the leader departs the community dissolves, there was never a community in the first place. If you don't like the way the new list is being run, *don't sub- scribe*. It doesn't need your approval anyway. Your comments do for the new list in particular and the good of the community in general what the Jonestown Kool-Aid did for smart drinks. -Ed SLiP "into something more comfortable" From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 19:52:17 1993 From: Machine Media <0005995336@mcimail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 02:45 GMT Subject: NY Raves Status: BIPEDS: Although I can empathize with Tekno Fish's concerns about Technopolis, as I am not big on having my words digested and moderated (ask MRR!), you should understand that it is an adjunct to ne-raves, and not a surrrogate. True as Laura seems as emotional as anyone, one of these passions is 4 the music and scene we all love & try 2 support. Perhaps, if she was not so passionate about these things, we would all have missed out on the many good things she has done. It seems she has taken it upon herself 2 do this thang, so if anyone does not chose 2 B a part of it, 4 whatever reason, I'd say fine. It is not as though anyone is trying 2 take away or take over anything that anyone already has. Ne-raves is not just NY and New England, we have regular postings from NJ, PA, DC, VA, OH, MD, and points beyond, even though places like DC & Pittsburgh-Cleveland have there own lists. If someone wants 2 start a new list, don't knock it. The preceding message has NOT been a post on the NEW ENGLAND RAVE LIST. PEACE OUT:) MARK From ne-raves-owner Thu Sep 30 20:38:36 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 20:38:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Ny Raves Status: The Techno Fish tells us: >I guess now since all of the mid atlantic states have been removed (functionall >y) from this list, then we should start calling this list the New England Rave >List. I never REMOVED the New York Area from anything. In fact, I distinctly recall saying in my post that NYRaves does not supersede ne-raves in any matter or form. No one has to join NYRaves to get information. If you noticed, when Brian posted the new calendar last night it still had New York information in it. >She WAS the >seld styled NE-RAVES Mommie - YUK! -. I was NOT "SELF-STYLED" anything. The ne-raves list *membership*, NOT ME, started calling me Mommie. I didn't really WANT the damn job, but I got it anyway due to the numerous helpful and informative posts I was making to ne-raves, due to the list-parties I was throwing, due to the fact that whenver anyone came to town I gave them crash space, and due to the fact that I used to cook breakfast for the Boston crowd whenever they'd come down to New York to rave in the summer of 1992. >This tends to make me wonder - if this person is NOW the nyraves MOMMIE (again >YUK!), she cannot simply decide one day not to be anymore. THis would leave >the list in a lurch. Hey, John Adams and Joe Turner both left ALL of ne-raves in the lurch, and I didn't see you making a public fuss over it. Why have you decided to single me out? Is it because of the private mail I sent you today telling you that all your questions about where the list is and why it moved were in mail that had in fact been posted to the list? If that is what has prompted you to make this public attack on me, then YOU are a bit more unstable than I am. >The stability of a comunitee is a direct >result of the stability of its leaders. This is true. And gee, I must be FUCKING unstable: after all, when ne-raves disappeared earlier this spring I forwarded ALL THE LIST MAIL for a few days from my personal account at work, just so you all could stay connected. This is why when ne-raves disappeared earlier this spring I organized several other concerned people to find a new moderator. This is why when ne-raves disappeared last week again I decided to do what I could and started a new list on my machine at work. [I could not simply move ne-raves to where I work because it is too big and I'd get in trouble for it.] This is why I've volunteered to help Dan once he gets ne-raves moved to the University of Maryland. This is why I've driven as far is Montreal (7 hours) and Charlottesville Virginia (6 hours) to DJ for free at parties list-members have organized. This is why I offer detailed directions to underground parties in the New York area to anyone from out of town who wants to go. This is why I risked getting arrested along with many other ne-ravers to throw that small FMR in New Jersey last July. I didn't see YOU offering to set up an emergency mail alias for ne-raves when it went down. I didn't see YOU offering to find us a new machine because gnu.ai.mit.edu has gotten flakey. I didn't see you offering to take over publishing the calendar when it got to be too much for me and later too much for Doug. I just see you bitching about something that is really NONE of your business. If you don't like the idea of NYRaves or don't trust me, then don't subscribe. ne-raves is back and is doing fine (MUCH thanks to Brian and Dan). Laura From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 02:06:31 1993 From: humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 05:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ny Raves Status: > I have never met this person, but let us recall. A leader has emerged - to head > up this new list- 'emerged' from where? laura's been around for a while > I cannot help think about this person in a semi-sceptical vein. She WAS the > seld styled NE-RAVES Mommie - YUK! -. Then at one momnet this summer she > simply unloaded upon us all her frustration of motherhood. > This tends to make me wonder - if this person is NOW the nyraves MOMMIE (again > YUK!), she cannot simply decide one day not to be anymore. THis would leave > the list in a lurch. > > does anyone else share my concern? - The stability of a comunitee is a direct > result of the stability of its leaders. getting a bit dramatic there buddy don't ya think? it's a mailing list, not a settlement. spend your extra time serving food at the soup kitchen, not worrying about ne-raves...(hmm, that sounded kind of rude)..well, never mind /-----\------------------------------/ / john \ humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu / ----------===== rainbow\ john_humphrey@ncsu.edu / \ humphrey\ pgp key upon request / \_________\___________ / | / | / | / | / | / | / | / | / | / |/ . From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 05:08:58 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 07:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ny Raves Status: On Thu, 30 Sep 1993, Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut wrote: > I guess now since all of the mid atlantic states have been removed (functionall > y) from this list, then we should start calling this list the New England Rave > List. Well, this statement is not entirely accurate. I know that the Maryland, Delaware, Virginia area is still going to be active on the NE Raves list (hey, even the new list admin is from there (me)) in addition to the New England states. And I doubt whether the NY area ravers are just going to drop off into the netherworlds and never write back. NE Raves is a CyberTribe, and we have all built friendships in NE Raves, so I don't think that a NY area specific list will change all that. > I think it is kind of redundant to have so many lists covering such a small are > a. There are going to be many overlaps........ Overlaps aren't really a problem. We have been doing it for a while here in DC with both DC Raves and NE Raves. The two groups are both active and interactive, with DC specific information being handled on one and regional information being handled on the other. We even interact pretty well with SE Raves, with people in Virginia (SE territory) being active on DC Raves and/or NE Raves. The information just tends to get to the people who need it. It is redundent, but that's okay. > Well, another problem is the mod. > > I have never met this person, but let us recall. A leader has emerged - to head > up this new list- > > I cannot help think about this person in a semi-sceptical vein. She WAS the > seld styled NE-RAVES Mommie - YUK! -. Then at one momnet this summer she > simply unloaded upon us all her frustration of motherhood. > This tends to make me wonder - if this person is NOW the nyraves MOMMIE (again > YUK!), she cannot simply decide one day not to be anymore. THis would leave > the list in a lurch. There are no guarantees on the net. This is a near anarchy if you want to look at it as a political system. I am not going to make any claims that Laura might not one day decide she has other priorities than the list, but does it matter? Once a rave list starts it takes on a momentum of its own, quite distinct from the list admins efforts. Even if Laura decides to move on, someone new will step in and take it over if the people on the list feel it is worth continueing. This is exactly the case at NE Raves, when Joe decided that he had other things to do other persons stepped in and put the list back into action. > does anyone else share my concern? - The stability of a comunitee is a direct > result of the stability of its leaders. I share your concern, if not its depth. I am concerned that the lists will change, but I don't doubt that so long as people wish to continue them they will be here for us. > /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ > Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator > IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. > If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? > \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 08:03:20 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 93 06:24:03 EDT Subject: RE: What happened. Status: I was looking for a more detailed information. THanks for all the mail though telling me that he address died - like I had not realized that. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 08:03:37 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 93 06:25:31 EDT Subject: Re: TECH-NOMAD II Status: ok..... since many people have asked go up 95I untill exit 50 right off the I left at first left (only choice) got through 2 lights, over a bridge then BEAR left at the light right over the bridge go alll the way to the U maine sign and go right follow that road untill you see the sign for AUBERT hall - you should hear it b y then - this hall is about .3 miles down this road and on the right. I think it is the 10th or 11th one on the right. in the parking lot on the right of the building about 2hr from portland about 4 from Boston /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 08:57:19 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 93 06:57:30 EDT Subject: NY Raves Status: A. Realistically there is nothing that could be done about preventing a NY raves from developing. AND nothing needs/needed to be done, that list has a essantial justification to exist. B. I was not attacking the noble moderator of this new list. I simply attempted to offer a refresher of past history. To repeat - I have never met the moderato r, and cannot recall her name even - it is a general deficency - and do not want to offend. Sometimes in the heat of an event things can get done, but when time drags on, then responsability does not warent the enthusiasm. translated in a couple of months the moderator may become sick of mderating all that mail. C. Simple solutions are available. Abopt a heirarchy of moderation, so that if the main(e) moderator is disgruntled, busy, or otherwise, another perso n will moderate. Being a mod. is a BIG responsability - you are the president of the virtual community!!!!!!! D. I just wanted the facts considered. Think of it thus way: That letter was not yelling, chastizing in tone, but more like - Ahhhh, can I bring op a point if it pleases the court??????!!!! E. As someone wrote (as usual) this discussion is not off topic. Thank you for you time! /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 10:17:48 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 13:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NY Raves Status: > that list has a essantial justification to exist. Thank you. We were worried you might not approve. > B. I was not attacking the noble moderator of this new list. Not attacking her? You called her "unstable", remember? > in a couple of months the moderator may become sick of mderating > all that mail. How do you purport to know all this? Have you ever moderated a mailing list or newsgroup? Have you ever so much as run a BBS? ave you ever thrown a rave? Have you ever *attended* a rave? The reason I'm asking all this is that I've not yet heard you offer to lift a finger to remedy all these potential problems you're so worried about. > C. Simple solutions are available. Right now, no problem exists to solve. The people running the various lists are doing what needs to be done (and expending copious time and effort doing so) to see the lists operate as smoothly as possible. That's all you need to know; the internal workings are none of your business until and unless you offer an alternative, or to help with the existing tasks. > Being a mod. is a BIG responsability - you are the president > of the virtual community!!!!!!! Where do you keep getting these "president" ideas from? The moderator is, if anything, a trusted servant, directly responsible to those he or she serves. The moderator legislates and presides over nothing, because as soon as he or she starts running things in a manner the participants don't like, they vote with their feet and go to or start a new list. Besides, if Laura's the president, you're coming off like the town drunk. > I bring op a point if it pleases the court??????!!!! It does *not* please the court. Why don't you wise up and quit while you're behind? -Ed From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 10:31:12 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 10:31:07 -0700 Subject: Re: NY Raves Status: Tekno Fish (not to be confused with Rishad/Fish, by the way) says: >B. I was not attacking the noble moderator of this new list. Excuse me? You called me unstable. You are being snide right now with your little "noble" comment. You are the one on a crusade to stop or modify a project of mine that you have absolutely nothing to do with. You sure as hell were attacking me, as surely as I am attacking you now. >To repeat - I have never met the moderato >r, and cannot recall her name even - it is a general deficency - and do not >want to offend. Well, you HAVE offended. All my posts come out with my name on them, I sign the vast majority of my posts. I've sent you several pieces of email in the past 48 hours signed with my own name. My friggin' email address is my own real first name. I find it hard to believe that you can't be BOTHERED to remember my name, but so be it. And furthermore, since you have never met me, how can you presume to be able to make any kind of guess about how I will or will not handle a given situation? >translated >in a couple of months the moderator may become sick of mderating all that mail Yeah, so? So I'll GET SOMEONE to take over. I'm not stupid -- I know that if I set up a list I have a reponsibility to the 65 or people on it. I won't just disappear and not tell anyone. >C. Simple solutions are available. Abopt a heirarchy of moderation, so >that if the main(e) moderator is disgruntled, busy, or otherwise, another perso >n will moderate. Being a mod. is a BIG responsability - you are the president >of the virtual community!!!!!!! WHAT DO YOU CARE? You aren't on Technopolis, you don't WANT to be on Technopolis, so all of this is none of your damn business. ne-raves is not moderated, so point "C" has no bearing on ne-raves, by the way. However, just to allay any concerns, Dan is one of 3 people with administrative access to ne-raves@techno.stanford.edu, so if he gets busy or tired or whatever there are already two other people who can deal with bounces and unsubscribes. >D. I just wanted the facts considered. What has put this bee in your bonnet? Why are you making such a big deal about it? You aren't on Technopolis, you don't want to be on Technopolis, so all of this is none of your damn business. I have said more than once that Technopolis is not meant to supersede ne-raves in any matter or form. The current Technopolis list members are quite happy with what they are getting, and are free to join or leave as they wish, and so will stay for as long as being on the list gives them value. No one has to VOTE to put a mailing list into existence. All that is needed is a machine and a person who wants to do it. So, your arguments against me and the structure of Technopolis are completely moot because you are not on that list. Whether you like it or me or not doesn't matter, because Technopolis exists and currently has 65 happy satisfied members. You know, I am AMAZED at all this bullshit you are throwing around about about a minor list I am running privately. How come you weren't more concerned when all that mess happened last spring when the people who run the gnu.ai.mit.edu machine cut off list access because John Adams supposedly wasn't dealing with bounces in a timely fashion? How come you weren't more concerned when I discovered that Joe Turner was off the list and hand't logged into attend to administration duties for over a week? Why do you feel the need to attack me for running a small local list? Laura (and fucking remember it, okay? That's L - A - U - R - A) From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 10:38:35 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 01 Oct 1993 13:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Aphex Twin Status: I realize there must have been some message or other posted on this topic, but I probably missed it.. Anyway.. Anyone know whether or not The Aphex Twin will be performing in NY anytime in the near future? P. Ashdown posted that he will be coming to the US in November - Fluid posted that he will be performing somewhere in PA at the end of October (?). What's the deal? Thanks, Darshan From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 12:33:10 1993 From: robcamp@tmn.com (Robert Campanell) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 15:33:53 EDT Subject: Re: NY Raves Status: NE-Raves would not be the community it is today without all the hard work and dedication Laura has given to folks on the list. I really think MR. TECHNOFISH, who ever you are, owes her one big public apology. - Rob From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 13:04:12 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 15:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NY Raves Status: On Fri, 1 Oct 1993, Laura La Gassa articulately wrote to Tekno Fish: > You know, I am AMAZED at all this bullshit you are throwing around about about > a minor list I am running privately. How come you weren't more concerned when > all that mess happened last spring when the people who run the gnu.ai.mit.edu > machine cut off list access because John Adams supposedly wasn't dealing with > bounces in a timely fashion? How come you weren't more concerned when I > discovered that Joe Turner was off the list and hand't logged into attend to > administration duties for over a week? Why do you feel the need to attack me > for running a small local list? Damn Right Laura. Why didn't tekno fish get mad when I started a small local list (pb-cle-raves)? It's 50+ members are happy with the way it works and I never thought it would be hard to get someone else to run it if needed. Tekno Fish is way off base and I just wanted to let you know that as a fellow list admin and as a friend I support you wholeheartedly. And Tekno Fish, I *HAVE* met Laura. And contrary to what you believe she is a very nice, stable person, more than capable of moderating NY Raves so maybe you should just but out eh? > Laura (and fucking remember it, okay? That's L - A - U - R - A) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ROTFL...... Joe From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 13:33:00 1993 From: FIEND <6ANTHONY_M@spcvxa.spc.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 16:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ny Raves Status: Yeah Laura is cool. She has done alot to try and keep the list going and stuff. I don't see you doing anything, If you arent doing anything, then dont complain. The stability of a community is dependant on the whole community, not any 'leader', and since when did Laura claim leadership in the first place? And what is all this mommie stuff anyway? the fiend From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 14:08:45 1993 From: Oz Lubling Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 17:10:04 -0500 (EDT) Subject: You Might Wanna Read This! Status: hello everyone! I just caled the NASA line and I thought some of you out there might like to know that next friday will be the last NASA at the light and sound or whatever it's called kicking off their tour sort of. The line sez that there will be a suprise guest dj from France: my guess sez Laurent Garnier, currently the hottest thing on the hottest record label FNAC.. and also a suprise guest dj from berlin.. this could be anyone from Paul Van Dyk (Visions Of Shiva, E-Werk/DubMission), Kid Paul (recent remixes of Cafe Del Mal), etc.. If my guesses are correct (hope to find out soon), then this should not be missed. I missed HartHouse night during NMS so if this is all true, I won't miss this stuff. \ Anybody who wants to go, send me some email... Also, Maskarave looks to be a huge event according to the line and the lineup keeps changing.. I say any one of the following might be there: Aphex Twin, Moby, Orbital, Vapour Space, Sven Vath, Marc Spoon, etc... and then there is the Orb show on the 23rd.. well hope to see you all somewhere in the next few weeks. oz From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 14:12:55 1993 From: "Mary-Kathryn Whitney" Date: Fri, 01 Oct 93 18:08:33 ADT Subject: thanx from da northest-eastest Status: ============================================================== Hello all! Thank you to all the people who answered my post about the new movie TRUE ROMANCE (w. Christian Slater) & the techno song in the ads ("I want your body" - by Nymphomania) Let's see there was Fish(Rishad), Bob Baxter, Dan (Danarchy?) & DJ Entox. Thanks guys! I really appreciate the help. :) ============================================================== Whew! I can't tell you how glad we're still up & running. Thanks to all those who are helping keep NE-Raves alive. You see I live way out here in Fredericton, New Brunswick Canada & NE-Raves is my link to the raving community. Without it, I wouldn't have gone to New York City last summer, nor to Boston this summer; nor to Toronto, nor to Portland, Me. & who knows where else I might go ... I for one, though I don't post much, am constantly grateful to the "workers" on the list - the ones who keep it going for the good of the community. (yikes - now I sound kinda mushy; nonetheless it is kinda noble.) In summary ... NE-RAVES - good Flame wars - bad Humans - good ... no, bad ... no, good ... Cheerios! M-K (Mary-Kathryn) "Scratch most feminists & underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object, the difference is that is not all she longs to be." -Betty Rollin- From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 1 18:23:43 1993 From: KHERLIHY@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Date: 01 Oct 1993 21:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: aphex twin Status: Has anybody heard anything about the Aphex Twin show at Roseland? I wonder if it's going to be another Boom type event (show/psuedo-rave)... If anyone has any info...e.g.; dates, times, who else might be playing, if it is this type event... etc. it would be greatly appreciated. thanks, <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 2 06:49:58 1993 From: phaedra@mindvox.phantom.com (jane weaver) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 93 09:41:28 EDT Subject: unstable ravers & other lovers Status: One raver on this list accused another of being unstable? ha ha ha ha ha, I say, ha ha ha ha! That shows a great lack of understanding of the rave scene, in my little opinion. In fact, my first experiences with rave and ravers were so surreal-ly crazy that I decided ravers were flakely folk by nature and that included promoters, djs, musicians and plain ole ravers. We're talking Kellogs Frosted here. Revar designed flyers for several raves and t-shirts for one and those behind-the-scenes encounters were so stressful, we came up with a mantra, "ravers are flakey," that helped us take the nuttiness with more zen-like calm. ok, this is off topic. but I couldnt resist. And, being a flakey type myself, none of this is meant as an insult or flame of any of the wonderful, luvly souls on this list. Except. How could someone not know who laura is? She posts consistently and with distinct personality. Hmmm. Must mean the person who doesn't know her isn't very involved with this list. Prolly deletes most msgs w/o reading them. heh phaedra/jane From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 2 11:20:46 1993 From: "Terence R. Strick" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 14:20:40 -0400 Subject: Re: You might want to read this Status: WHOA WHOA WHoA!!!! STOP THE PRESS!! Oz writes " I just caled the NASA line and I thought some of you out there might like to know that next friday will be the last NASA at the light and sound or whatever it's called kicking off their tour sort of. The line sez that there will be a suprise guest dj from France: my guess sez Laurent Garnier, currently the hottest thing on the hottest record label FNAC." I would like to make a few corrections here: FNAC is _not_ a hot record label-- it's the French equivalent of Sam Goody. (or Tower records) They've got a huge store in Paris with lotsa CD's but they are not really a record label (and particularly not a hot techno label, of all things!!) Secondly, Laurent Garnier is _not_ that hot a DJ, and not that great a DJ either...The good ones are l'Aquarium, Microdot, Pacman, Sonic to name but a few (and Pacman and Sonic are not what they used to be). He throws club raves inside of Paris, not even good honest-to-techno raves. Missing him might mean missing a glimpse of what the Paris scene is kindof like, but not much more (Hardcore also seems to be dipping in France, with a rise of tribal, trance, hardtrance...) Terence From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 2 11:30:37 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 14:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: B2B now in New York Status: Hey Folks, I just rang Groove and they said the Back 2 Basics will be in New York somewhere, not Mass, and that information will be posted around 5pm. I gotta get a damned map of the states but isn't NY a loooooong way from Boston ( like 3 hours or more by car )? Anyhow - looks like I may not be able to make it if it's there - damn, hey? Grant From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 2 11:38:36 1993 From: teixeira@exa.com (Chris Teixeira) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 14:39:09 EDT Subject: Back 2 Basics Info Status: I just spoke with Adam at Groove Records who told me that the people around Worcester who were supposed to line up a sound system couldn't do so. As a result, they (B2B people) are scrambling to hook up with a system in NYC and are planning on having the event either under the bridge in the Bronx or at the toxic waste dump site. Call after 5pm [(718) 714 - 5232] to confirm. That means the options for tonight for me are either a 4 hr drive to NYC for B2B or a 3.5 hour drive to Newburgh for Polaris. Sucks to be from Boston today. Oh well, looks like DIY again. -Chris Teixeira From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 2 13:18:30 1993 From: "__cmellow__" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 16:18:22 -0400 Subject: meeting before polaris... Status: i think i wrote down the wrong # for jenn's beeper, so can someone send that to me before like 5pm est? or else, if anyone going knows where we're planning on meeting before can you just mail me that? like i said, i'm leaving around 5pm or 6pm est. so if i can get any help before then i'd be more than grateful. thanks chris "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -aldous huxley in a letter to albert hofmann From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 2 16:39:28 1993 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 16:38:50 -0700 Subject: CALL FOR HELP-A CHALLENGE (Malachy-net-empowerment) Status: A very dear friend of the San Francisco house scene and one of the founders of the incredible journey we call the Full Moon Raves was injured seriously several months ago in a terrible car accident.The accident partially severed our friend,Malachy's spine and he is now confined to a wheelchair.He has lost the use of his hands,for the most part,but his motor function is slowly returning.Soon he will be getting a computer,a Macintosh 660AV with voice control, and will be joining us here on the net.This is a call for ideas and suggestions that will enable and empower him to join us and be able to explore and expand his horizons through cyberspace.We need: 1.) Mac and net savvy people who have ideas that could help Malachy (our friend) customize his voice controller software specifically to allow net access. 2.) Software resources that might be particularly adaptable to his situation. (not much hand and finger control,but full use of his eyes and voice,as well as his mouth.) 3.) Knowledge of net and corporate resources that would be able to help Mal. Organizations that specifically help the disabled with computers.etc.Trainers! Obviously- there is no need to reinvent the wheel..Such software probably already exists or is being developed.We need to get Mal into any beta-testing programs. He doesnt have any computer experience,really,but he's an incredibly intelligent person..and we should look at this as a exciting challenge..... We owe him a huge debt just for bringing us the huge amount of joy he has over the years...(At least us here in the Bay Area) Many of you must have heard of the three benefits that people here in California had for him. (Definitey the best events of the last year here in SF.) He will be online with an email address of his own soon within a few weeks,but until then Im hoping to collect information for him.Please mail it to me at the address ccat@casa.stanford.edu His hardware configuration will be as follows: Centris 660AV with AV monitor and TV camera.high speed modem... Unix account,probably not SLIP,initially,but maybye later on. There will also be a need for teacher/helpers.. so if you feel like you could spare a bit of your time.and you live near Berkeley.by all means,get in touch! Malachy is a real gem of a person and he is specifically asking for our,the net-ravers help. -Chris ccat@casa.stanford.edu From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 2 20:36:47 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 23:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Galaxies goes Global :) Status: Hey Folks, You know that dreaded ( just joking :) Galaxies disk that Taylor and Co put out? Well, I liked it so much that I sent a couple of copies to my friends in Oz. I got some feed back from them while over there and basically they and all others who've heard it think it's pretty good too ( Anna, my ex-girlfriend over there thinks it's GREAT :). So there ya go - the Ozzies like it too :) Grant P.S. I've seen it in the shops too at *much* more than we lucky net folk paid for it :) P.P.S. When's number two coming out??? From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 2 23:52:22 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 93 02:49:26 EDT Subject: Technomad II Status: Well, this went off with out a hitch, even the cops showed up! But they were coolo and just wanted to see what was going on. there were about 100 people there at its height, and about 200 dif. people over the course of the evening. The generator handled all the music stuff, but had a little trouble with the lights, so we backed off of those.... Then about 12am there was a hockey (we are NCAA champs?) gathering, and we pull ed up in front of the area , so for the brave few who joined up then.... We met a lot of cool freshman who were looking for our scene, they were so psyc hed to find it - and free too! Next week we are looking for an indoor spot, or perhaps we may rent a U-haul!!!!!!!! /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 3 03:53:56 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Sun, 3 Oct 93 03:53:49 -0700 Subject: B2B Status: B2B was under the bridge in the Bronx again. About 50 people turned up, most scared away by the rain or drawn away by Polaris. Those that were left were the most marvellous people I've had the priviledge to rave with in a long time. No people just standing around, no drunks, no people so messed up on chems that they caused a problem (in fact, no one was on anything it seemed). Just people dancing their butts off and smiling big huge warm smiles. We broke up at 4.30 am because of the rain . . . so although it was very short and very small it was so totally excellent that this was one of the best parties I've been to all year. Heee heee -- suggested rule of thumb: when Heather says "party" the correct response is "I'm on my way." Laura From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 3 06:35:35 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 09:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: B2B Status: > and very small it was so totally excellent that this was one of the best > parties I've been to all year. > > Heee heee -- suggested rule of thumb: when Heather says "party" the correct > response is "I'm on my way." WAAAAAAAUUUGGGHHHH!!!!!!! I gotta get a car for myself :) When's the next one? Grant From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 3 12:26:03 1993 From: Oz Lubling Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 15:27:32 -0500 (EDT) Subject: Crush @ Caffeine Status: Well, what'd you know, another weekend in New York. I decided to go to CAffeine, since I never been there... I was pleasantly suprised. The drive there was hell, since they closed about 10-20 miles of the Long Island Expressway and we had to take a service road. Finally we get there at 12 and I see a valet parking so I tell my friend lawrence, shit this can't be it.. it was though. We walked in and the place was already pretty packed. the crowd consisted of the many different raver types and then the long island leftovers. There was one main room where most people were hanging out. it had multiple levels and dancefloors. the other room was sort of outside but not really. It had one huge warehouse door that was open to the outside and then a big space for the dancefloor. outside was a big chill space, where people were sitting around and talking or whatever. The sound system is simply amazing. Whoever set it up knew what he/she was doing. The sound is loud yet clear and you can hear all the higher frequencies without losing your hearing. I think I came on a good night. I heard a slew of amazing djs.. first Mr. Kleen spun some nice hard trance and trance. He was playing every record I have, so I was no complaining. The crowd slowly started to get into his set and filled the dance floor. And Denard took the decks.. Again, Denard simply amazed me!!!! He slamed some hard acid and acid trance. (Jacob: I told you he was good). the highlight of his set was this song called Pressure Cooker. anybody know what label this is on? as denard finished his set , I was ready to collapse from dancing so hard. Then Soul Slinger came on. He spun some beautiful morning trance and acid. very good set. Some djs that I heard were micro, spinning some house and then hardcore, overload, with his hyper breaks and dave trance. I recommend caffeine highly. just avoid the Long Island Expressway. btw, I forgot to mention that Sharon Stone was there! peace, oz From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 3 13:52:13 1993 From: Francis L Sibilla Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 16:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Quake - Delaware? Status: Well last night was delaware's first rave. To my surprise it was really good while it lasted. It was in a warehouse in an industrial park (when was the last time last time you were at an event in a real warehouse?) which was just the right size - not to big to overwhelm the crowd - not to small to make it too cramped to dance. The lighting was typical - but well done - surrounding the crowd - not all comming from the DJ area. About 60% of the time I found myself in the middle of one or two of those intellibeam/golden-scan light cones that I love dancing in. The atmosphere was really friendly with a lot of friendly faces from the DC-Baltimore area as well as a bunch of new people from Delaware who have never been to a rave before (there were a ton of fliers in the student center at the U of D). All the people who I talked to who had never been to one before - said it was great. The DJ's were excellent Phase One (DE) and Odessey (Philly) played a range from harder acid to some trancey/tribal stuff. I danced harder than I have in a long time because I was just so impressed with an event going so well down here in Delaware (and it was also the shortest distance I ever had to travel for an event (15 mins)). Anyone who is familiar with DE knows that anything outside the range of keggers and frat parties tends to be rare. Anyway - Scott Henry went on at 3:00 and played a more acidy selection than usual - but of course - it was shut down at about 3:30 by the police - by a lot of police. This was despite the promoters having both the fire and the police departments look the place over and acquiring permits. A variety of theories are being thrown around - the police I overheard said it was a noise complaint (but since there were no housing developments to be seen????) other theories include some people drinking to too many people - whatever - I hope everyone got home or to some crash space safely - because a LOT of people weren't really in any condition to drive at 3:30 - most were expecting to be there a while longer. (And don't ask me what I think of DE cops - the only thing I've ever see them do is bust parties - when my friends and I were getting jumped by the local skinheads, the cops way of dealing with it was to mace everybody - so I got jumped and then maced.) Overall it was very good - but short. It reminded me of the early ultraworlds and tripotronic's down in Baltimore - on a slightly smaller scale. It would be nice if a local scene developed, but this set a bad precedent. We'll just have to see. A happy/sad Fran From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 3 20:15:07 1993 From: "__cmellow__" Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 23:15:02 -0400 Subject: Re: polaris Status: hmmm. i just got up from my sunday nap, so i guess i'll recount the evening for the interested. :) i drove down with some people who live be me in the dorms and luckily mars and jenn saw my car outside a diner a few blocks away from the skate park, so they stopped and got us and jenn was able to get us in for $11. :) (thanks jenn) :) when we first got there, i just kind of walked around for a while. i'm not sure who was spinning, but pretty soon after overload came on with some good breakbeat. :) its been a long time since i've heard someone spin breakbeat, so it was fun. then, next up (i think) was lenny dee. and he played MENTAL hardcore! they filled the place with smoke and all you could see was the person in front of you and the light beams slicing through the smoke. :) it was SO hard! :) there were a couple big circles of dance-off type things going on, and i'm not sure how into those i am. it seems to draw attention to the circles instead of just dancing, but anyway. after dee came the other dj's. i wasn't paying much attention to who was spinning, but it was mostly trance. i forget who p.a.'ed. they were from dc and they did what seemed like 2 songs and then went off again. they weren't anything special, imho. hmm. it was just a lot of fun to be at a good size rave again. something about the whole atmosphere amazes me. the way people dance and dress is so different from anything in the midwest (that i've seen) that its fun for me just to watch people. :) jake was there, with his amigas, putting on an incredible show as usual. :) he seems to be the hottest item on the rave scene right now. :) he's scheduled to do both mask-a-rave AND casper! :) hmmm..remote projection? anyway, polaris was fun. nothing special, but fun. :) chris "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -aldous huxley in a letter to albert hofmann From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 3 21:01:20 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 00:00:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Crush @ Caffeine Status: >btw, I forgot to mention that Sharon Stone was there! ^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'll be there :) Grant From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 3 21:03:36 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 00:02:22 -0400 Subject: Re: ColourBox Status: Hey Folks, >COLOURBOX >(Yes that's right the ledgendary colourbox is back, in a new home) >At the CASBAH, >5 bank Street (on Market btwn 2nd & 3rd) >Phila.,PA I went to this place on the Monday night that I was in Philly ( the Vagabond roving crowd were having a party there ) and it was good fun. Hope this hits as it seems the be what Philly needs from what I've been told and seen. The club is fun and the crowd was interesting. Hope it works out. Grant From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 4 01:06:02 1993 From: 00hamacdonal@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1993 03:05:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Dub Tribe performing at "The Edge" Thur. Oct 7th Status: David Hollands & Goque Groove present: Thursday nights: Ball State U.- Muncie, IN =- Your Journey has a new destination . . . "THE EDGE" 215 S. Walnut St. in Muncie - aka The C.O.C. 9p-4a This Thursday, Oct 7th "The Edge" welcomes Organico recording artist DUBTRIBE - direct from San Francisco But who's DUBTRIBE? DUBTRIBE are a new recording and performance group from S.F.; they are completely Live. No DAT machines are used in their performance. This 4 member band, known for their extended sets, create original music on the spot - even adding improvisational percussion over the D.J.'s breaks. -URB magazine writes: "...these guys and girls, with their tribal live percussion, sizzling optics, beefy funked-up breaks, swirly dubbed vocals and bass tremors unlike anything felt here in the Bay, are a live force everyone must hear...they are a collective, and... when they perform, the audience is part of that collective too" - April 1993 Witness San Francisco's Live Groove - DUBTRIBE performing Thur. Oct. 7th at "The Edge" with Guest D.J.'s: David Hollands - Mr. Linus - Mike Shroff Sponsored in full by Chicago's REACTOR magazine Full Smart Bar & Service by ImSmartRU "The Edge" is Thursdays 9p-4a & No Age Restirctions The DUBTRIBE show with D.J.'s is $4.00 24 Hr. Info Line - Groovus Maximus Bassline: 317.281.3000 Yours in the Groove, Mind of the Perptual Vibe, David Hollands - Ball State University - Muncie, IN - 317.288.6277 24 Hr Muncie/Indiana Info @ - 317.281.3000 ____________________________________________________________________________ David Hollands & Goque Groove present: Thursday Nights: Ball State U.-Muncie, IN 215 S. Walnut Your Journey has a new destination . . . "THE EDGE" Deep House - Hard Acid - Dance 2 Trance - Post-Techno Ambient Grooves It began as "Pink's Party"; now every Thursday is your own excursion 9p-4a 215 S. Walnut (AKA the C.O.C.) downtown Muncie This Thur. "The Edge" welcomes -= DUBTRIBE =- direct from San Francisco With D.J.'s David Hollands + Mr. Linus + Mike Schroff Sponsored by REACTOR magazine Chicago/ Full Smart Service from ImSmartRU "The Edge" 24 Hr Info Line: 317.281.3000 From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 4 06:21:09 1993 From: Steve Hormell Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 09:09:58 EDT Subject: Re: Quake - Delaware? Status: Quake--Wow!!! The second I walked into the spaceious warehouse I could feel, see, smell and taste the vibe. I knew it was going to be a good night. I was torn between talking to all the wonderful people and dancing to the incredible wax being spun. I spent some time outside socializing (it was very hot inside) and came in to dance when it was all over. There was mass confusion. Everyone wanted to go somewhere, but few people knew the area. The DJ`s wanted to spin (Wink said he would be willing to spin in my friends house, didn't happen tho.) the kids wanted to dance. The vibe was so strong it COULD NOT END. The plan was set for everyone to meet at a dunkin donuts a few miles away. The word was sent to follow each other there. Apearently approx. 20 CARLOADS followed a frustrated Scott Henry back to Baltimore, that was half of the afterparty. We got to Dunkin Donuts and everyone was hanging out gabbing and tring to figure out what to do. The cops were there, but told us they didn't care if we hung out and they were sorry they had to shut it down. One cop i talked to said we were great and nicer than his own kids. After staying for quite a while music was put on and people continued to dance. Finally an afterparty was set for some parking lot in the middle of no where. I went to my friend Jay's appartment for a while and by the time i got to the lot, the party was over. Actually, i don't think it ever really started. No turntables ever showed up and no sound system AT ALL. I dosen't really matter, everyone still had a good time talking in a quiter enviroment. I was only there for about 3.5 hours before it was shut down, the rave continued on til about 8 am (at least that's when i went home) It was an incredible night. -- Fluffhead From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 4 07:29:08 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 10:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: nasa Status: I am desperatly seeking a ride to Nasa this Friday! Anyone going that might have an extra spot for me? (I am really small) I want to check out this spot since this is the LAST week at this location until the tour:( Please respond to... smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Peace, Jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 4 09:21:10 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 12:20:51 EDT Subject: ORB ticket for sale! Status: Hey kids, ticket for sale! The Orb in Concert Place: The Roseland Ballroom, 239 West 52nd Street (on 7th Ave) NYC Date: Oct 23, 1993 Time: 11:00 pm Price: $20 (at cost) I have one extra ticket (victim of a flake :( which I want to pass on to someone who wants it. If you get this by Ticketmaster you'll have to pay $3 extra for handling and mailing and crap, so you are saving a couple of bucks if you call me. Leave email to: rquazi@csws12.ic.sunysb.edu or call me (Rishad) at (516)-331-5369 kwik. O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 4 12:36:55 1993 From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 15:45:08 EDT Subject: We Have the Power -- Lasers for Sale in sci.electronics Status: Those of you into the lighting FX stuff might want to read the newsgroup sci.electronics were one see adds like the following from time to time. Also, if one is looking for galvanometer with mirrors, find an old oscillograph. They show up surplus at university surplus and "bull pens" a lot. (An oscillograph uses the galvanometer to write a tracing on light-sensitive paper.) I have one with about 10 galvos on it. These guys can be had real cheap. **************** From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.optics Subject: Lasers, night vision and lenses for sale Date: 30 Sep 93 13:28:11 CDT Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services For sale: 60,000 times gain starlight scopes. 3rd generation twisted fiber optic imaging tube. One year warranty (not for export). $1050 ------------------------------------------------------ 500mm Macro lens: (Rubinar Reflex mirror) aperature 1:8 mount M42 x 1 (Pentax screw) with telescope option (turns the lens into a working telescope) $230 -------------------------------------------------------- 1000mm Macro lens: (Rubinar Reflex mirror) aperature 1:10 mount M42 x 1 (Pentax screw) with telescope option $375 ---------------------------------------------------------- Spectra Physics model 162 argon laser. 15mW output at 514Nm green line. In excellent condition with power supply. $1000 ----------------------------------------------------------- -=-= Wes =-=- From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 4 14:12:49 1993 From: "Michael I. Holden" Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 14:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: t-shirt of the day Status: On Thu, 30 Sep 1993, Mike Perkowitz wrote: > seen on someone here on the UW campus: > > WE'RE HERE > WE'RE QUEER > AND WE HAVE > E-MAIL Seen recently at boston dead shows: WE'RE HIPPIES WE'RE TRIPPY AND WE GOT E-MAIL Perhaps the EFF knows something about this... -michael "Another Urban Techno Hippy-Wannabe" From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 4 14:24:02 1993 From: ekblanch@sas.upenn.edu (Elliot K Blanchard) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 17:26:14 EDT Subject: Ride? Status: Hi, I'm a freshman at The University of Pennsylvania. Me and a friend are planning on going to CyberTek in NYC this weekend. Since neither of us has a car here, I was wondering if anyone was either going to CyberTek from Philly or passing through Philly on the way to CyberTek that could give us a ride. It would be a big favor, as we wouldn't have to take the bus/cab/metro and risk getting lost/killed in NYC. We're quiet, polite, etc, and would be forever in your debt if you could give us a ride. Thanks in advance... Elliot Blanchard(ekblanch@mail.sas.upenn.edu) From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 4 15:17:40 1993 From: soundz@MIT.EDU Date: Mon, 04 Oct 93 18:17:15 EDT Subject: FUSE out on Wax/TVT Status: Fuse, i think the 5th of the artificial intelligence series, is now available domestically. Just thought I'd let you know. JimmY HaT (condom/boston) From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 01:52:46 1993 From: Partyon Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 01:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: pictures Status: oooooo as of today brian has scanned in some more pictures ...there should be about 9 of them orbsf93.jpg (the sf orb flyer) (btw i would love to trade for a copy of the other orb flyers from other cities...email me...) umd.jpg (taken at the dcraves picnic...with mary, dan, tom, jason, highwayman, scottbo) dcraves.jpg (taken at the picnic...group pictures) susie.jpg (ahhh yes that is me eating vinegar with my pot stickers aka fried dumplings) preloft.jpg (neith with black hair, long, cmk, susie, christian (aka apple pie) nepicnic (yes this is the group shot from the second picnic wheee that everyone has been asking for...) frankiemic.jpg (frankie bones at back to basics with the mic!!! evolutiondante.jpg (dante at his part evolution) and as the added bonus there is... delewaretechno.jpg hehehhehehe so hopefully the pub/raves/visuals/sfravers get susie.jpg will solve all the gee what does "partyon susie" look like! partyon...susie (: From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 10:07:19 1993 From: soundz@MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 13:07:02 EDT Subject: orb in NYC Status: Does anyone have info on how I can get tickets for the ORB show in NYC? I need two, and I'm in Boston so I think I'll need some number to call or something like that. I don't know if Boston Beat is selling them. Thanks in advance. JimmY HaT (condom/boston) From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 10:32:39 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 10:32:21 -0700 Subject: Re: orb in NYC Status: Call Ticketron, I was told that they are handling the tickets (of course, I could be wrong but it's worth a try). The Ticketron network is all over the East Coast (at least) so you can call the number local to your city rather than having to make a long-distance call to New York. This is your regular basic concert thingy at Roseland, not a warehouse rave. I saw Echo and the Bunnymen at Roseland a few years ago, for example. Laura From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 11:00:41 1993 From: Matt Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 13:29:51 EDT Subject: Groove Records Status: Hey, I heard yesterday that Groove Records closed down because Frankie Bones trashed the place. As far as I know, this may be true, 'cause Bones supposedly didn't show up at E3 because of some "problems." I can't say that Bones is my favorite personality or DJ, but I will admit that he did have a large hand in the New York scene, and the East Coast scene in general; so if something like this did happen, it would be a great loss. Anyway, does anyone know if this actually happened, or if there's something else that happened? Peace Matt DJ Fresh Blend From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 11:23:07 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 11:23:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Groove Records IS OPEN!! Status: I *JUST* got off the phone with Adam X. Here is the story with Groove: Adam owns the store now. He did not say why he is the owner and not Frankie anymore, and I did not ask because in my opinion intra-family business deals are none of our business. The store is open for business as usual. Adam is renovating the store, hence things look a bit torn up. At one point they were considering moving to a new space, but (according to a conversation I had with Heather a few weeks ago) they were having trouble finding one they liked. So, it stands to reason that they would go ahead and fix up the current space. Adam asks you all to please get the story straightened out in case you run into anyone else spreading rumors that the store is closed. Thanks, Laura From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 11:41:32 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 14:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Groove Records Status: On Tue, 5 Oct 1993, Matt wrote: > As far as I know, this may be true, 'cause Bones > supposedly > didn't show up at E3 because of some "problems." Kort was interviewed about Essence3 for the Zoom Newsletter and Kort said that Frankie Bones was sick that night...I do not know though... Jennifer Smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 15:25:23 1993 From: gsc1@Lehigh.EDU (geoffE) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1993 18:10:52 EDT Subject: Slurp! article Status: Hello Ne-Ravers!!! It's been awhile since I've posted but I'm sure those of you who are at school or who've been through it know what it is like to juggle five classes, work for the school newspaper and have a radio show every week. ANyhow, thanks to everyone who has responded that they will help with promoting the upcoming event TIMEWARP here in Allentown. Special respect to Jen Zoom, Jay and 'ello to Mars my college buddy. Miss ya mate!!! Anyhow, something has bothering me lately, but this is not to bitch but sincerely ask everyone who is subscribed to read and think what they would do if this happened to them. Recently a scene report was written in Slurp! magazine and I thought it would be in my best interest to clear some miscalculations up. Number one, the Allentown scene was not modeled after London or Australia as written but by two kids in college who wanted to have a good time every weekend without having to go to keg parties and drink beer. It seems that the individual who wrote the report wanted to spice up this place a little more than usual, but hey this is still Allentown and it will always be Allentown. Secondly, the lack of not giving credit to Mars for his involvement in the scene. Sorry, but I was gone half the year last year and the person who should get the most credit for holding down the front was Mars. Finally, I was in London for five months but only twice did I touch turntables and that was once at a record store and the other in a backroom of a decent-sized event. For those who have been to London, the place is huge and there are fifty zillion different scenes there(house, garage, techno, hip-hop, hardcore, jungle, darkness, etc.) There is not really one RAVE scene as we know it here since most people who like to spin garage or dub house disco don't really hang out with the likes of those who spin darkness. Anyhow, this is not to diss on the individual who wrote the report because I don't like to do things like that to other fellow human beings. However, I don't like when people have to tell fibs in order to get attention. I could care less if I'm ever well-known, this scene has become a spiritual, mental and physical uplift for me and that is why I am involved. I hope I've set the record straight. I love you all. Finally, The Freight Yard is doing OK. Lately both Miko and I have been spinning more house rhythms and it looks like the direction of the club is moving away(I know some of you are going to be disappointed) from the techno scene and more toward a house, tribal, progressive sound. Still, we are getting more and more of the rave crowd each week(they seem to be digging it) and hopefully by June(when I graduate), I can say that I did something worthwhile along with Mars, Miko and others to provide something different out here in ABE-town, Pennsylvania. Anyone who is still interested in guest DJing for future TIMEWARP events send those demo tapes to THE FREIGHT YARD, 333 Court St. Allentown,PA 18102. Chat with everyone soon!!!!! geoffE "Knowing thyself is the most powerful wisdom of all" From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 17:01:49 1993 From: djentox@aol.com Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 19:51:16 EDT Subject: Coloured Vinyl (Survey Sez) Status: Hi Ne-Ravers! I'm doing a survey for my fanzine about coloured vinyl. My questions are these: 1. What is your favorite color of coloured vinyl? 2. What's your vote for best single/LP on Coloured vinyl? 3. What's your least favorite color of coloured vinyl? You don't have to answer all three, but if you could, it'd even out the results better...=) Please reply soon, as I need to get my second ish out by mid-oct. at the latest =O Thanx for your input =) Peace, Love and the whole 9... DJ Entox@aol.com =) =) From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 18:21:56 1993 From: hae2@po.CWRU.Edu (Hossam A. El-Saie) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 21:21:43 -0400 Subject: this new techno address... Status: folx, how come whe you try to sub to just the ne-raves-calendar, you also still end up getting the discussion list posts, too? hmmm.....jus' wonderin...can this be fixed/stopped? please reply via email (hae2@po.cwru.edu)...thanks. peace, hossam -- Hossam El-Saie/hae2@po.cwru.edu\/216.754.2054\/Michelson 310B\Fax:216.368.5334 /\ vrave: sphinx 11896 carlton rd /\ /-|-\\ let's getHyper! cleveland, oh 44106 //-|-\ /______\/ **--it's all about the vibe...** \/______\ From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 19:01:37 1993 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 21:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Coloured Vinyl (Survey Sez) Status: Beyond the ultraworld of djentox@aol.com: > > 1. What is your favorite color of coloured vinyl? Hmmm. If it's on a wall or to show off, i'd say gold or platinum. :) But if you are asking what vinyl color DJs prefer, then it's most definitely black. Other colors dont show as easily the grooves and it is not uncommon to miss the end point of a song because the vinyl is transparent (clear, red, blue, yellow, pink etc...). opaque colored vinyls are ok, but are not as good as black. > 2. What's your vote for best single/LP on Coloured vinyl? Zero-G picture discs by Time + Space. These were 6 vinyls released with the content of the Zero-G sampling CDs. The design of these really help cueing any sample very rapidly. > 3. What's your least favorite color of coloured vinyl? Totally clear vinyl. > DJ Entox@aol.com BTW, i've cced to bpm because i think it's relevant. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 19:14:52 1993 From: laura@soda.berkeley.edu (Laura La Gassa) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 19:14:45 -0700 Subject: an evolution of sound Status: GeoffE writes: >Lately both Miko and I have been >spinning more house rhythms and it looks like the direction of the club is >moving away(I know some of you are going to be disappointed) from the >techno scene and more toward a house, tribal, progressive sound. Hummm, I've noticed such changes all over but I would not read them as being an abandonment of techno. I see it more like this: the lines between genres are blurring and people are accepting and getting into all sorts of different things. Whereas "techno" people before wouldn't touch house and vice versa, now anything goes as long as it's good REAL music, not commercial cheeze. This is most highly indicated by the music I'm hearing the the stores these days: hardcore tracks get acidy or have ambeint trancey breaks, house records get harder, trance incorporates tribal rhythms . . . it is all finally melting together -- the "abolish labels" ideal is finally being achieved. While you all are getting funkier and softer out there, things are getting harder in San Francisco it seems. Again, this doesn't mean that they are sick of their groovy funk, but that genre stances are melting. Nowadays "hardcore you know the score" doesn't mean being only into 170 bpm earbleed Gabba, but rather having an open mind, going out of your way to get to a good party and support the people you respect, and dancing your butt off even if the rave gets busted and then relocated, or if it starts to rain a little. I like this. (Heee!) Laura From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 19:49:05 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 22:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/5/93) Status: =============================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR UPCOMING RAVES: _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 9 PHILADELPHIA (215) 592 - 8481 THE RAINBOW PLAYGROUND * Continuing Every Saturday night >>>>>THE RAINBOW PLAYGROUND<<<<< 5 Bank Street (at the Casbah) (Bank st. is on Market between 2nd & 3rd.) DJ's Mace, Remic, Lee, Rush Guest DJ's, sometimes live performances............... For More Info call (215) 592-8481 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 9 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 1 Scott Furbush (Cleveland) and Josh Wink (Philly) Presented by Millenium (mainly Joel formerly of TurboZen) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 9 PHILADELPHIA (215) 552 - 8940 SCHOOL DAZE Atlas Presents.... School Daze A blend of Hip-Hop's old and new schools _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 9 NEW YORK CITY (212) 592 - 3687 CYBERTEK FUTURE FUNK & SPANK along with UPTOWN UNDERGROUND present -C-Y-B-E-R-T-E-K- The Electronic Dance Movement of Future Orbiting Cybernauts Frankie Bones Lenny Dee Adam X James Christian Jimmy Crash Heather Heather Future Funk Carlos Scott Richmond Dan D.C. Nerotic Mario Genevesse Anyone that ever Quested to the Boogie Down knows what where all about 100% UNDERGROUND UNCOMPROMISED Supercybersonic Sound System and Lights Double Arena Warehouse Jam Tickets and Info 24-7 call uptown hotline 212-592-3687 and -- Groove Records, Brooklyn 718-714-5232 -- Bruckner Records & Tapes, Bronx 718-823-8899 NO ADVANCED TICKET SALES UNTIL DAY OF EVENT [then there are advanced ticket sales...?] 2 A.M. uptown Tickets - $13 Special Thanks to - Mental Unity for promos, Groove Records, Bruckner Records, Joint Ventures, Alan Sanctuary, Dawn, Nicole, Kat Woman, Back to Basics Crew, and all those who keep the scene deep down underground. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 16 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 885-7440 SUNSHINE II dz5401a@american.edu Craftsman productions and dcraves present the next day... Sunshine II A new evolution in the district. coming Oct. 15th info: dz5401a@american.edu or (202) 885-7440 we support MGP, the underground, and freaky dancers _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 23 NEW YORK CITY (212) 465 - 2583 THE JOURNEY DJs: Mr. Kleen / Micro / Adam X Performance: The Orb Tickets: $16.50 plus Ticketron rip-off fees Location: Roseland (huge club/ballroom) in Manhattan Time: 11pm - 12 noon (afterhours 6 am - 12 noon) NEW YORK - OCTOBER 23RD: Matt E. Silver/Intermodo and the Blunt Academy present The Orb in their only East Coast appearance on Saturday October the 23rd. "The Journey - Part 1 and 2", has the once in a lifetime line up of DJ's with Alex Patterson (UK); DJ Lewis (UK); Adam X (Brooklyn); Mr. Kleen (NET); Repeat (Future Shock); Micro (Caffeine); Joeski (Magic); Soul Slinger (Liquid Sky); Resse (Communion); Dimitri (Deelite); Kamins (NYC); and Guy DMC (USA). Giant Step with DJ Jazzy nice, Chill Freeze and the Live Giant Step Crew will be taking over the basement. Surreal Hose of the most is Communion's Neville and overloading the visual senses are la la landia and Spike Millvolte's Psycho Kenetic Gallery. Part 1 will be held from 11pm until 6am at the Roseland, 239 W. 52nd Street, with showtime at 1am. Part 2 will run from 6am until noon at a new location announced on the night. Part 2 will cost $6 with Orb ticket stub. For bus or other info call (212) 966-4033. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 NEW YORK CITY (212) 330 - 8233 MASKARAVE 2 @ NASA's Maskarave 2 Moby / Aphex Twin / Orbital Sven Vath / Vapourspace / more more more Infoline: 212-330-8233 The Event of the Millenium! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PROVIDENCE, RI (401) 454 - 6028 CASPER live satellite hookup with San Francisco rave of same name, carnival rides, deiselBoy, etc, etc. (more details to follow) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 2 Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, October 31 PHILADELPHA (???) ??? - ???? NASA TOUR 1993 @ Trocadero, 10th&Arch, Philadelphia HALLOWEEN, OCT 31 : 9pm The NASA tour 1993 M O B Y ORBITAL & THE APHEX TWIN _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 ALLENTOWN, PA (215) 433 - 0503 TIME WARP @ It's official folks, so here it is... UNITY PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS... T I M E W A R P Out of the Stone Age into the Future Friday, November 5, 1993 in celebration of THE FREIGHT YARD's 13 month anniversary Laura(New Jersey/NE-Raves) Goodwill(Delaware) Ikon(Freight Yard-Allentown) geoffE(Freight Yard-Allentown/NE-Raves) Mark M(Allentown) Miko(Freight Yard) dieselboy(Pittsburgh/NE-Raves) WINK(Philly) Guy DMC(Londontown) Trace(Londontown) On-E(NASA, New York) 2 rooms - Room 1=Hardcore, Jungle, Acid/Room 2=House,Progressive, Trance Giveaways by: Instinct Records - New York Moonshine Music - Los Angeles Lucky Spin Records - London Sorted/Nervous Records - New York DMC - New York/London Smart Bar by DNA - Intelligent Lighting - Lasers by Pawn FOR INFO. CALL 215.433.0503 DOORS OPEN 9:45p.m. MUSIC from 10pm - 7am All tickets at the door $10 before 11p.m./$15 after 11p.m. ***NOTE: ANYONE WHO CAN PROMOTE VIA PHONE LINE OR CAN HANDLE FLYERS E-MAIL ME AT GSC1@LEHIGH.EDU BEFORE THURSDAY NIGHT AT MIDNIGHT SO WE CAN PUT YOUR NAME AND NUMBER ON THE FLYER!!!!! CHEERS!!!! geoffE ---The Freight Yard 3rd and Hamilton St. Allentown, PA--- _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PORTLAND, ME (207) 773 - 6979 GRIN - THE 2ND COMING KC & the sunrise gang & pandemonium! bring you... GRIN The 2nd Coming Satruday November 13th 10pm til sunrise and beyond Portland, Maine smile to the Future Beat Enormous Warehouse Location Multi Mega-Watt Sound System 20 Watt Multi Color Laser Systems Intelliget Lighting, Robo Scans Tiger Scans & Data Flash Video Walls & Projections Film Loops & Slides _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 1891 LITTLE GOOD VIBE November 13th in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania is Little Good Vibe. featuring everything from house, to deep house, to acid. dj list to follow. Info line 412.734.1891. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, Decemeber 4 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 3 Adam X & Lenny McBride (Groove Records, Under One Sky, NYC) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ [and this tidbit from Mars (mhv0@Lehigh.EDU):] For 24-hour, up-to-date rave info, you can now call the ZooM LinE at: (215) 998 - 9650 (Allentown/Philly) (800) 374 - 4434 x20051 (Beyond) If you want to be on the reduced admission list at Homegrown on Thursdays at the Bank in NYC or for Sputink in Space, call and leave your name and a message relevant to this. Also, if you want to be added to the ZooM mailing list, call and leave your name and address. You'll get a copy of the zoom newsletter and other goodies. Peace, love, and happiness, Mars p.s. Don't go out to an event without calling the ZooM line! With the number of raves getting busted and not going down, you need to stay informed so that you don't get the shaft by travelling to a busted event. If you have late breaking news, be sure to call and leave a message. This line is provided by ravers for other raver's benefit. Peace _______________________________________________________________________________ KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club Please send all corrections and submissions to inhuman@cmu.edu or my old address is fine, too. --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu Rockin' the Joint! From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 20:46:26 1993 From: "Terence R. Strick" Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 23:46:20 -0400 Subject: dancing in the rain Status: Laura wrote: "and dancing your butt off even if the rave gets busted and then relocated, or if it starts to rain a little." Dancing in the rain (if it's not torrential monsoon-type) can be amazing. If they have strobes going, it looks like microscopic snowflakes coming down, which is absolutely beautiful!!! sorry-just reminiscing :) terence From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 20:57:50 1993 From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 0:06:00 EDT Subject: an evolution of sound Status: Laura writes: Hummm, I've noticed such changes all over but I would not read them as being an abandonment of techno. I see it more like this: the lines between genres are blurring and people are accepting and getting into all sorts of different things. Whereas "techno" people before wouldn't touch house and vice versa, now anything goes as long as it's good REAL music, not commercial cheeze. This is most highly indicated by the music I'm hearing the the stores these days: hardcore tracks get acidy or have ambeint trancey breaks, house records get harder, trance incorporates tribal rhythms . . . it is all finally melting together -- the "abolish labels" ideal is finally being achieved. [... more stuff] The fluidity of styles is one aspect that I really dig about this evolving form of music. It seems almost to be a genetic algorithm which is optimizing the dance-your-butt-offness of the music. The music can mutate by two genetic operators: Mutation - just twiddle stylistic elements. Crossover -- take two types of techno or other musical forms and hybridize them. The whole techno scheme seems to be a methodology for doing these games. In a sense, it is meta music. Personally, I like what is happening with the Afro-Cuban crossover that seems to be emerging here and there. (The Miami sound?). Just being off-the-wall analytical, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 21:03:00 1993 From: "Andrew N. Westmeyer" Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 23:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/5/93) Status: Could you please take me off the mailing lists for raves. I'm not sure which address I have on the mailing lists, but it is one of the following: aw36@andrew.cmu.edu qwerty@cmu.edu Thanks. Andrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu Materials Science and Engineering Carnegie Mellon University "Oh no, I'm violent! Somebody lock me up!" -LEK 9/29/93 From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 21:49:17 1993 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Date: 6-OCT-1993 00:40:13.13 Subject: Bug in Hartford Status: October 8th and Every Friday... Connecticut has a B.U.G. problem!!! Big Underground Groove Experience the NYC Hot Underground Vibe Every Friday in Hartford Celebrate the spirit of advance dance music by four premier dj's very special guest DJ from THE LIMELIGHT in NYC & ILLEGAL RECORDS THAT KID CHRIS with bugged out DJ's MR. TRASH (united techno) OSHEEN (providence) KRIS KONO (club comet) MARKIE G. (bang & mission) Midnight Madness--$100 Cash Giveaway! [bleeeeah.] $5 before 11pm with invite - $7 without 21 AND OVER - ID REQUIRED next week's guest dj: JOEY GIUCASTRO (mission, riot) this was pretty nice last friday. just basically hanging out with friends and faces from hartford and a few from providence. of course, we need 650 people every friday for this to happen into the indefinite future. maybe not, but i will try. plus hopefully (once i get a tape together, fuck whys that needle have to be broken?) i will be djing eventually. Breaking the Silence, Kreig Poseur DJ Daft (formerly Mr. SparklE... RIP) Wherza gurlz? From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 5 22:25:57 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 1:29:54 EDT Subject: Re: Rave-o-Matic (fwd) Status: good thing i saved this :) first off jenn (jenn-bug) needs a ride from the pennsylvania(sp) area to D.C. to get to sunshine. She will be in charge of the smartbar, so pleasee anyone who can help out please do!!! jenn's email address is: smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu > > Friday, October 15 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 885-7440 O.K. Lets hold up here for one moment and set the record straight!!!!! Sunshine II will be on SATURDAY OCTOBER 16!!! NOT THE 15th!! > SUNSHINE II dz5401a@american.edu > > Craftsman productions and dcraves present the next day... > > Sunshine II > > A new evolution in the district. > > info: dz5401a@american.edu or (202) 885-7440 > > we support MGP, the underground, and freaky dancers > _______________________________________________________________________________ Here also is some updated information on the event: SUNSHINE II : Enjoy the warm vibes of a new dawn in the District Saturday, October 16th 10 pm - 8 am Dj's: Neuromancer (Tronic Records/ DC-Frankfurt) Mars (Outerspace) Mr. SparklE (Hartford) Tiff'n E (Richmond VA/ WDCE) John Rainbow (El Yunque,Puerto Rico) Chuck (DC/ WVAU) SLiP (GrooveNet) +others possible appearances by: Daz-e (Hartford/PeterB's), Doughs (Hartford-DC/WVAU) (we'll see :) ?? Decorations by Fierce Ruling Diva Smartbar by Liquid Technology Virtual Environment by Rob C. Lasers by 2T The American University, Gianni Lounge No Alcohol - No Attitude Admission - $5 This microrave brought to you by: dcraves@american.edu WVAU doughs Info & Directions : 202.973.2109 dz5401a@american.edu All Profits go to student-run campus radio WVAU 101.7 FM 610 AM we support M.G.P. _________ doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu dz5401a@american.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 6 09:02:40 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 12:01:06 EDT Subject: FMR 9th Status: Does anyone have the low-down on this one. I asked befoer - and someone said there was'nt one, because the full moon was last week...but I am told that there is one. It might not be an FMR, just BTB......but...any info would be appreciated I heard possible local of Cape Cod or Portland, ME>?>?>?>?> /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 6 09:25:18 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 12:24:02 -0400 Subject: Sleeze review Status: Hey Folks, The reviews of Sleeze Ball in Sydney last weekend are starting to surface so I thort I'd shove a few of the better ones your way :) Grant ------------ Hello all, Despite the cold and rain the usual 15K of barely dressed party goers turned up for the Sleazeball at the showground last Saturday night. Due to changes in the ticket distribution scheme this year (again) many people had trouble getting tickets (myself included despite having been a member of Mardi Gras for several years) and there were a few complaints about pre-party 'attitude' of the organisers. However the party lived up to its usual high standards of production and management. Venue/Lights The usual three halls (Horden, Royal Hall, Dome). Decoration was in the theme of 'silver and gold'. For me the Horden had the best lights. Lasers at both ends of the hall were excellent. The central lighting rig used the standard arrangement of mirror ball clusters and directional mirrors, but well positioned mirrors on the outer wall of the hall were brilliant as were the VERY large reflective panel either side of the stage. The light mixing was extremely sensitive given the amount of grunt hanging from the ceiling. Of course the fact that the Horden has grandstandseither side of the floor helps appreciate the lighting more. RHI was fairly ordinary compared to previous years, but such a large space and high ceiling is difficult anyway so they may have just decided to concentrate on the Horden. The Dome was done as per usual, single block colors into the dome and intelligent lights from the pillars. Music Well the DJ list says it all. This year there was SOME techno wereas its usually just neo-disco and dance anthems. The sound in the Horden and Dome was good but low in the RHI. I managed to get through the whole night only having to listen to "Constant craving" once. This is a DANCE party and people DANCE (not vibrate at 160BPM). Crowd Breakdown of the crowd would be 70:30 men to women. With about 20% of both being straight. Very happy and drugfucked this year, last year lack of good E meant a speedy agressive party. This year a lot of people seemed to being going overboard in an attempt to "start this party right". The costumes and outfits put any other party to shame (except Mardi Gras), the crowd is totally wild and wonderful. The toilets under RHI (male or female)have always reminded me of the bar scene from star wars. Shows The shows in the Horden this year were close to the best light shows I have seen this year. The first show was the 'mirror shorts/bikini' that I have seen a couple of times before, but the extra mirrors made such a difference it was like a new show altogether. The second show (2:30 I think) was simply awesome. A dancer wrapped in netting stood the central podium of the stage whilst four other dancers took their places around the podium, each holding a corner of the netting sheets encasing the central dancer. The are behind the podium was black and unreflective. The lasers were "scribbled" over the whole stage area, but because the 'dead' area behind the podium killed any refelection from the back wall, only the netting was lit. The dancers moved around the podium moving the netting in wave patterns up and down, slowly unwrapping the central dancer. The waving nets became filled with color and movement (no smoke so you couldn't track the beams), contrasted by the pitch black wall behind. The result was sculptural and 3 dimensional, probably the most beautiful light show I have ever seen anywhere. Best - Light show in the Horden - Hi Shelley :-) - Fantastic friendly people - doing the 'tour' (circuit all three halls) Worst - Obtaining and paying for tickets ($50) - Party should last more than one day !!! Most Interesting - What I saw in the guys dunny under RHI about 6AM. (I thought it was a scrum !!! ;-) see you at Mardi Gras. AndyF PS anyone go to Brave at ZOOM last week, I'm looking for some weeknight techno staggering distance from Surry Hills -- Australian Ravers Mailing List / ausrave@ansto.gov.au / Admin: owner-ausrave From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 6 10:31:51 1993 From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 10:31:25 PDT Subject: Re: an evolution of sound Status: > While you all are getting funkier and softer out there, things are getting > harder in San Francisco it seems. Again, this doesn't mean that they are > sick of their groovy funk, but that genre stances are melting. Actually, this is very untrue. You are basing this on what is said by people who have been in the SF scene for maybe 6 months. About a year ago, SF was a bit faster (between 140 and 150 bpm) and harder, and two years ago SF music was a *lot* harder (but at that time nobody anywhere was doing very much that was faster than 140 bpm). Come to think of it, Twitch did a reasonably good job of following the general trends in SF. As far as I can tell, the following tracks are representative of what has been going in SF in the past two years. Twitch release Date Artist, title, style Volume 1 6/91 T99, "Anasthasia", early techno Bizarre Inc, "Playing With Knives", early techno Volume 2 9/91 Omar Santana, "Come on and Jam", more complex techno Volume 3 12/91 Egma, "Let the Bass Kick", old "hardcore" (only 125 bpm) Volume 4 2/92 Masterminds, "EMF", dark acidy techno Volume 5 4/92 Future Sound, "Papua New Guinea", dreamy trance Volume 6 6/92 Sonz of a Loop da Loop Era, "Far Out", proto-breakbeat 12" single 7/92 Ultraviolet Catastrophe, "Trip Harder", tribal Volume 7 8/92 Gat Decor, "Passion", progressive house Studio X, "Los Kings del Mambo", tribal Volume 8 11/92 Lion Rock, "Lion Rock", trance / progressive house Baha Men, "Back to the Island", tribal Volume 9 1/93 Jaco, "Show Some Love", trance Volume 10 4/93 Paradise Organization, "Prayer Tower", dub prog house Volume 11 6/93 Direckt, "Two Fatt Guitars", funky house Volume 12 9/93 Mother, "All Funked Up", even funkier house As for the present, for every DJ whose style is getting harder, I can think of another DJ whose style is getting softer. And all of the good DJs can play a decent hosue set *and* a decent acid set *and* a decent trance set, depending on what the crowd wants/needs. From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 6 11:06:01 1993 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 14:20:08 0000 Subject: NOTneces.R*VE-REL:TONIGHT! Making Communities? Fax us! Status: Subject: Call for Fax/Mail Art: An Act of Resistance:Making Community(ies) Hello cybertribe::: I'm involved in this thing. Thought that some of you might wanna contribute your wisdom, creativity and community building!! Peaceout, Jeremy (eeyore) {ne-raver, IDM-er} >>>>>>FAX ART should be faxed to 617.451.2910 between October 5 and 23. Art work is being solicited for the Mail and Fax Art portion of an exhibition called _An Act of Resistance: Making Community(ies)_ at Boston's Mobius Gallery October 6-23. All mail and fax art concerning the show's theme will be shown. Artwork by "nonartists" is especially encouraged! Mail art can be in any form, size or shape and should be sent to: Arts/Resist Mail Art, P. O. Box 1136, Kendall Square, Cambridge, MA 02142. There is no "deadline" persay. ALL mail rec'd during the show dates will be put in the gallery. Try to get it to us by the oepning date, so the maximum number of people can see it. FAX ART should be faxed to 617.451.2910 between October 5 and 23. The organizers encourage sending fax art during the show's opening reception Wednesday, October 6, from 5 to 8 pm Eastern US time. Mail and Fax art are part of a democratic, decentralized, global "networker" movement that seeks to link people and ideas on a grassroots level through direct exchange. Mobius is located at 354 Congress St in Boston's Fort Point Channel district, near the South Station stop on the red line. The juried portion of the exhibition features work by many New England artists engaged with political activism and is sponsored by the RESIST Foundation. RESIST, begun in 1967 to help fund the growing movement opposed to the Vietnam War, is celebrating its 25th anniversary of funding small, grassroots, social change organizations. For more information: On Mail/Fax Art contact 617-242-2442 or Internet . On show details: Mobius: 617-542-7416. On RESIST call 617-623-5110 Thanks in advance for your contribution(s)! Jeremy Grainger for the ARTS/RESIST organizing committee PS: Here's a listing of related events for those of you in the area. The juried show includes work by: Anonymous, Joe Briganti, Buffalo Gals, Annete Dupon, Lydia Eccles, Roberta Hayes, Anne Rocheleau, Ellen Shub, Sarah Slive, Karen Kimmel and the Dispersion Project. Wednesday, October 6, 5- 8 pm - Opening reception Gallery Talk by Buffalo Gals who will give a short presentation on their current art campaign to prevent installation of commercial-ridden televisions on the "T," the Boston subway. Thursday, October 14, 8 pm - "Art that netWORKS" a talk by Chuck Welsh (aka net artist, the CrackerJack Kid), editor of the forthcoming anthology _The Eternal Network: A Mail Art Anthology_, due from the Univ. of Calgary Press next Spring. Friday, October 15, 8 pm - Video and film presentations by social cahnge group's which have received funding from RESIST. Saturday, October 16, 8 pm - An Evening of Haitian Culture with food, music and more. Coordinated by one of the juried artists, Roberta Hayes, whose work documents the Haitian refugee community in the area. From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 6 11:16:08 1993 From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1993 14:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ...NASA Mask-a-rave Status: .....Is the line up for this event (Aphex, Orbital, Moby, Sven) confirmed? ..does anyone know?.....it seems too good to be true. SquiggleMan From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 6 15:15:53 1993 From: "Susan R. Kameny" Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 15:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: FMR 9th Status: there is a simple way of finding out if there is a full moon...(look up at they sky at night with no clouds and find the big bright round thing) but if there is a renegade or a simple outdoor rave that is a whole different thing...partyon...susie (: From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 6 19:36:03 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 21:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/5/93) Status: On Tue, 5 Oct 1993, Andrew N. Westmeyer wrote: > Could you please take me off the mailing lists for raves. I'm not sure > which address I have on the mailing lists, but it is one of the > following: Andrew, as a general rule you *MUST* send UNSIBSCRIBE DISCUSS to the above addresses-request.(e.g. pb-cle-raves-request@telerama.pgh.pa.us or ne-raves-request@techno.Stanford.EDU, etc) Otherwise your request will fall on deaf ears. Why is it people can remmember where to send their subscription request but not where to send UNSUBSCRIBES? Is this a mental block that comes from CRT's? Joe From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 6 23:08:58 1993 From: soundz@MIT.EDU Date: Thu, 07 Oct 93 02:08:49 EDT Subject: Roseland... Status: I was wondering where in NY Roseland was... Is it accesible by subway, etc... I was also wondering if anyone from the Boston is going down to the New York area on Fri, Oct 22, or Sat, Oct. 23 to the New York area. My friend and I'd really appreciate a ride. My destination is Roseland (obviously) so if you're going to the Orb show and have some extra space, it'd be great. Thanks. JimmY HaT (condom/boston) From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 00:07:38 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 3:07:26 EDT Subject: Roseland... (fwd) Status: > I was wondering where in NY Roseland was... Is it accesible by > subway, etc... > > I was also wondering if anyone from the Boston is going down to the > New York area on Fri, Oct 22, or Sat, Oct. 23 to the New York area. My friend > and I'd really appreciate a ride. My destination is Roseland (obviously) so > if you're going to the Orb show and have some extra space, it'd be great. > Thanks. > > JimmY HaT (condom/boston) The Roseland Ballroom in NYC is pretty easy to get to. It is in midtown manhattan within walking distance of Penn station, and possibly other subway stations are near it. The exact location/entrance is: 239 west 52nd street (ie. 7th avenue and 52nd street). there is a big vertical sign outside the entrance saying 'Roseland' - hard to miss. ruff map: ------' '----------------' '------- ... ... 7th avenue (or 8th?) ------. .----------------. .---------- ... ... PENN STATION | | |52| 34th St 7th Av. | | |nd| 53rd st |st| | | | | .---------| | | | | | Roseland| | | Ballroom| | `---------' i'm bored :) -- O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 01:11:59 1993 From: "Andrew N. Westmeyer" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 04:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/5/93) Status: On 06-Oct-93 in Re: Rave-O-Matic (last rev... user Joe LeSesne@telerama.pgh writes: >On Tue, 5 Oct 1993, Andrew N. Westmeyer wrote: > >> Could you please take me off the mailing lists for raves. I'm not sure >> which address I have on the mailing lists, but it is one of the >> following: >Andrew, as a general rule you *MUST* send UNSIBSCRIBE DISCUSS to the above >addresses-request.(e.g. pb-cle-raves-request@telerama.pgh.pa.us or >ne-raves-request@techno.Stanford.EDU, etc) >Otherwise your request will fall on deaf ears. Why is it people can >remmember where to send their subscription request but not where to send >UNSUBSCRIBES? Is this a mental block that comes from CRT's? > Joe I wasn't the one who put my name on the mailing list. Sorry about all the confusion. I had created a bboard for someone and he put my name on the list. Now he doesn't want the board anymore and I can't figure out how to get rid of these letters. Could someone please send me the correct format for a letter to get me off these lists? Thanks. Andrew Westmeyer qwerty@cmu.edu Materials Science and Engineering Carnegie Mellon University "Oh no, I'm violent! Somebody lock me up!" -LEK 9/29/93 From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 06:55:24 1993 From: brendan mcdougall Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 09:58:14 -0400 Subject: Roseland Status: Though easy to get to, the space is not optimal. The coliseum would be the better space. I went to the last "Orb" show last feb/march. There are 3 venues--basement, main floor and second floor lobby--used as dance spaces in addition to all the other nooks and crannies. In a pessimistic, whiny analysis one can show that about a 1/3rd of the ticket holders will see the orb at any one time--and not comfortably. Don't worry, you'll see the orb. The crowd flow vectors will drag you past the stage once every 33.333333333333 minutes :) brendan From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 07:09:21 1993 From: cx164@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew Hupert) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 10:08:58 -0400 Subject: ticketmaster Status: ticktron is now called ticket master ] -- cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind planet spins..... and your ass ....so do I will follow booom mahadev From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 07:21:18 1993 From: cx164@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew Hupert) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 10:20:59 -0400 Subject: promoters/producers Status: hi- im looking for to get in touch w/ some rave promoters and producers- i do graphic/video art for raves and clubs and would like to have some ideas oif who to get in touch with thanx peaceout -- cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind planet spins..... and your ass ....so do I will follow booom mahadev From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 07:35:32 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 07:35:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Roseland... Status: The Roseland Ballroom is located off of Broadway somewhere in the 50's. When you call Ticketron to get your tickets you can ask for the exact address. Yes, it is accessible by subway, and is in a frequently- traveled part of town so is about as safe as NYC ever gets. Laura From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 07:37:29 1993 From: steveh@trex.dev.susq.com Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 10:27:04 EDT Subject: Re: ticketmaster Status: ----- Begin Included Message ----- ticktron is now called ticket master ] -- cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind planet spins..... and your ass ....so do I will follow booom mahadev ----- End Included Message ----- I've always prefered ticket bastard. -- Fluffhead From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 08:34:09 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 11:33:41 EDT Subject: Sound Systems Status: Does anybody know exactly what a "TURBO" sound system is? How about a 3-D sound system? In my travels and readings of european magazines such as "DJ" references to "turbo" and "3D" appear. I know that 3d sound actually exists it was mentioned in the technology segment of DJ.But is Turbo just a meaningless adjective used to excite patrons of a club or rave? I have never seen Turbo or 3d in the US. Does anybody have a reasonable theory? TOM From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 08:57:06 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 11:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Jenn is great :) Status: You know, Jenn Smeddy is great... :) jenn-bug is a cute handle -and- jenn+bug is hypaah! We are great. hehe.... If you are out there jenn-bug send me mail because I lost you're address. :( Chat with ya soon. Joe From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 09:24:38 1993 From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1993 12:08:49 EDT Subject: Re: Slurp! scene report Status: Cybertribe, After reading the Slurp! response by GeoffE, all I can say is: Thanks Geoff. Your friend, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu (908)724-9711 =============================================================================== From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 09:45:37 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 12:45:31 EDT Subject: APHEX/MOBY/ORBITAL Status: Coming to you through the mysterious workings of the Bliss Factory people: Tuesday, November 2 @ the Paradise in Boston the Moby/Aphex Twin/Orbital tour!!! 1 of only 12 dates... ...and to think I was going to drive down to NYC to catch the show... not I don't have too!!! -John ...more info later... From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 09:47:06 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 12:46:56 EDT Subject: BLISS FACTORY Status: There are 2 more Bliss Factory events planned: Friday, October 29 Upstairs at the Middle East in Cambridge and Thursday, November 11 Downstairs at the Middle East When I get the flyers I will type them in, so you all can have more info... -John From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 10:02:02 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 13:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jenn is great :) Status: Joe is the greatest too!!! We are both so great.... Ne-raves is great!! See ya all at buzz...e-mail me if you want to meet up ahead of time Jennifer Smeddy (jenn-bug) From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 10:42:40 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 13:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: APHEX/MOBY/ORBITAL Status: on oct the 22nd in motreal the orb is playing... write me for more info peace Jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 10:52:33 1993 From: Machine Media <0005995336@mcimail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:43 GMT Subject: Turbo Sound, etc Status: Turbo Sound is a brand of speaker, often used by tribute bands (like CT's Physical Graffiti) because they are marketed as having a "home stereo sound." As such, they R pretty good right off the truck 4 reproducing pre-recorded sound (like a DJ spinning plates). Sound in nature is already 3D. Stereo is an attempt 2 recreate that reality using 2 channels. An attempt at marketing 4 speaker systems failed in the 70's (Quadrophonic) because 4 most source materials it hardly mattered. There have been many attempts 2 create a more realistic perception of depth and height, going from Pink Floyds "azmuth coordinator" back in the 60's 2 Brian Eno's third channel ambience 2 the latest DSP techniques. Panasonic once put a feature called "ambience" in their boom boxes, like the image knob on an NAD pre-amp it took out L+R. They are also alot of comb filter and digital delay systems out there as well (eg. I own a Carver Sonic Hologram Generator). However, the most common use of 3D is in movie theatres and home theatre VCR's & laser discs - its simply uses a multichannel sound track with multichannel reproduction. IMHO,getting true 3D from a stereo source (especially from "unnatural" sources like techno) would require more time tweaking with a Goldline & moving around speakers than it would be worth. Unlike a violin, a 303 does not have a "natural" sound for a given room. From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 12:17:56 1993 From: "Golden Boy" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 15:13:48 CST Subject: It'z Me ! Status: Hey kidz....I'm baaaaccckkk ! :) Peace to the NET. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <> deb9@pop.cwru.edu "Forget your name" "Just close your eyes" "Go insane" From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 12:33:11 1993 From: Christina White Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 15:32:26 EDT Subject: Roseland Status: >Though easy to get to, the space is not optimal. The coliseum would >be the better space. > >I went to the last "Orb" show last feb/march. There are 3 >venues--basement, main floor and second floor lobby--used as dance >spaces in addition to all the other nooks and crannies. In a >pessimistic, whiny analysis one can show that about a 1/3rd of the >ticket holders will see the orb at any one time--and not comfortably. >brendan I tought the last "Orb" show was at the Ritz. Roseland has only two levels and the main floor is HUGE. You'll see the band OK, but Alex will look really tiny if you stand at the back near the bar. By the way, for out of towners who prefer public transportation, here are the closest subway stops: C or E trains to 50th St. Stops at 50th St. and 8th Ave. 1 or 9 to 50th St. Stops at 50th St. and Broadway B, D, F or Q tains to Rockerfeller Center. 47-50th Sts. and 6th Ave. All right, they may not be the closest but they'll get you close enough. -Christina From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 12:56:32 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 15:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Moby/Orbital/Aphex Twin Status: ok...the show in Phiadelphia scheduled for the 31st is *confirmed* just picked up a pair of tix, hope to see you there - this is one you cannot afford to miss. Aphex on halloween...ooohhh...*shiver* ;) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ _ /,_) \ \ (_ ) ) ( ) _( (/ \\ ( (_ (_) ( (_( \) brit@ravel.udel.edu From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 12:57:45 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 93 13:28:13 EDT Subject: I don't mean to complain..... Status: Has anyone noticed that if you reply to a long subject the mailer inserts a bunch of spaces????? /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 13:06:46 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 16:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: I don't mean to complain..... Status: ..then dont. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ _ /,_) \ \ (_ ) ) ( ) _( (/ \\ ( (_ (_) ( (_( \) brit@ravel.udel.edu From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 13:14:16 1993 From: "Golden Boy" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 16:10:12 CST Subject: Las Vegas Status: Are there any raverz out there in Vegas ? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <> deb9@pop.cwru.edu "Forget your name" "Just close your eyes" "Go insane" From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 13:54:46 1993 From: brendan mcdougall Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 16:56:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Roseland Status: Christina, thanks for the correction! You are right, and I was confused. great to hear about the space size. I'm not so taken with seeing the orb as much as being able to groove with some room around me! thanks for the PT info too. best, brendan From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 16:02:11 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 19:00:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Roseland Status: >>pessimistic, whiny analysis one can show that about a 1/3rd of the >>ticket holders will see the orb at any one time--and not comfortably. >the main floor is HUGE. You'll see the band OK, but Alex will look really >tiny if you stand at the back near the bar. Yeah, but who's going to actually *SEE* these guys???? If I actually manage to *SEE* anything, I'll know I've been sold dud stuff Catch ya' all there :) Grant From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 16:17:01 1993 From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 16:16:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Roseland Status: On Oct 7, 7:00pm, you proclaimed: } >the main floor is HUGE. You'll see the band OK, but Alex will look really } >tiny if you stand at the back near the bar. } } Yeah, but who's going to actually *SEE* these guys???? If I actually manage } to *SEE* anything, I'll know I've been sold dud stuff My recollection of thee Orb show I went to two years ago was that these guys have a very strong anti-stage-presence - their equipment was hidden from view under a fair amount of white sheets, and they had 3 or 4 projectors at eye level beaming from the front of the stage, so it was very hard to see anything going on onstage. Brian From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 16:45:54 1993 From: Christina White Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 19:44:26 EDT Subject: Roseland Status: } Yeah, but who's going to actually *SEE* these guys???? If I actually manage } to *SEE* anything, I'll know I've been sold dud stuff My recollection of thee Orb show I went to two years ago was that these guys have a very strong anti-stage-presence - their equipment Brian Geez. I didn't think anybody was actually going to SEE the Orb, I was just using it as a size reference. Sorry, sorry, sorry. -Christina From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 17:57:11 1993 From: KHERLIHY@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Date: 07 Oct 1993 20:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: roseland Status: Yeah, I saw the mbm/808 State show there last Spring, seemed to be plenty of room.... regards, <><><><><><> From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 18:38:35 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 21:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: I don't mean to complain..... Status: No i never noticed it. Sorry though. I did notice that it seems like everyone recieves their mail like 30 min. before I do :( I am not sure if it has something to do with my school or just fate....either way it really makes me sad... Jennifer Smeddy From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 20:10:36 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Thu, 07 Oct 93 22:41:07 -0400 Subject: Technorobics Status: Hey everyone... My latest observance of techno becoming more mainstream: At the old health club, booming out of the speakers by the aerobics room, were several dozen people performing step classes to some of the music I heard at Essence III. BPMs ranged around 135-140. And no, I didn't start dancing (though I really wanted to). C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 20:43:09 1993 From: "Terence R. Strick" Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 23:43:01 -0400 Subject: re: Technorobics Status: Ditto here, but I don't know if they were playing this music at E III 'cuz I missed E III :( But I doubt it-- it's usually top 40 techno i hear blaring from the gym all afternoon (ok, I'm exagerating all afternoon, but it still sux )!! terence From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 21:24:21 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 00:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: > several dozen people performing step classes to some of the music I > heard at Essence III. BPMs ranged around 135-140. And no, I didn't > start dancing (though I really wanted to). Well, if the object of the music is to get you motivated, it looks like it worked! :) More and more aerobics instructors are using DJ mix tapes on pitch controlled cassette decks for their classes. They would certainly motivate *me* more than some cheezy top-40. Even JBID still makes me want to work off those unwanted pounds. :) -Ed From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 7 21:32:42 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 93 00:32:16 EDT Subject: Re: I don't mean to complain..... Status: I asked around and no one else is experiencing this problem, and It only happen s to mail from NE-Raves.... I guess from the feedback, that it does not happen to any of you - - so> I will suck it up! /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 02:24:41 1993 From: Greg Eden Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 10:10:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Sound Systems Status: On Thu, 7 Oct 1993, Thomas C Noe wrote: > Does anybody know exactly what a "TURBO" sound system is? > How about a 3-D sound system? > In my travels and readings of european magazines such as "DJ" > references to "turbo" and "3D" appear. I know that 3d sound actually exists > it was mentioned in the technology segment of DJ.But is Turbo just a > meaningless adjective used to excite patrons of a club or rave? I have never > seen Turbo or 3d in the US. Does anybody have a reasonable theory? What I have always taken TURBO sound to refer to is the large air shifting bass bins found at the bottom of speaker stacks. The more the merrier. TURBO may reference a specific type of bass bin design. I suppose it is, in some vague way, analagous to a car's turbo charger whose purpose is to shift air (exhaust gases). Generally I think that you can dismiss TURBO as HYPE, something which flyer designers are particularly fond of. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 04:24:17 1993 From: Phil Z Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 7:24:08 EDT Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: > Hey everyone... > My latest observance of techno becoming more mainstream: At the old > health club, booming out of the speakers by the aerobics room, were > several dozen people performing step classes to some of the music I > heard at Essence III. BPMs ranged around 135-140. And no, I didn't > start dancing (though I really wanted to). I saw the reverse here in Manhattan when I went to one of the Biology parties- there was a guy there dressed in an aerobic outfit bouncing up and down at the edge of the dance floor. He looked in good health and seemed to be enjoying himself, but was definitely juxtaposed to the baggy pants, stripey shirts and platform sneakers! Phil Z From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 04:29:21 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 93 07:28:37 EDT Subject: BTB Portland, ME info Status: I was instructed to repost this question today. I ama VERY interested in attending this. Any persons with informatoion please fork it over. Thanks! Nathan E. Tableman From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 05:32:15 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 08:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Roseland Status: On Thu, 7 Oct 1993, Christina White wrote: > } Yeah, but who's going to actually *SEE* these guys???? If I actually manage > } to *SEE* anything, I'll know I've been sold dud stuff > > My recollection of thee Orb show I went to two years ago was that > these guys have a very strong anti-stage-presence - their equipment > > > Brian > > Geez. I didn't think anybody was actually going to SEE the Orb, I was > just using it as a size reference. > Sorry, sorry, sorry. > > -Christina Not to see the Orb but their equipment. Some of us gear heads want to know what they use. Joee From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 07:28:21 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 02:36:00 -0500 Subject: Yo! Status: Howdy all. New to the list, am I. Anyone going to Moby/Orbital/Aphex Twin at the Troc in phila? Halloween night couldn't be better this year, IMHO. At least 3 people are going with me, maybe more; anyone wanna meet for a round of BLASTS from the $martBar? cyathere peace d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 07:31:02 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 08 Oct 1993 10:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: Something about that really bothers the shit out of me. The thought that techno music is being used for something like aerobic excercise conjures up images of the '80's. Blech. Not my era - so don't use my music. It just seems so contradictory and 'gee whiz'. Darshan Bend, and stretch, and 1 and 2 and 3.. Please.. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 07:44:43 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 10:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Sound Systems Status: > Generally I think that you can dismiss TURBO as HYPE, something which flyer > designers are particularly fond of. You're right. In the twenty-odd years I've been doing sound in one form or another, there has never been a legitimate speaker (or speaker array) design called "turbo". Vented box, infinite baffle, acoustic suspension, folded horn, servo drive, yes, but never turbo. It's like those absurd tens-of-kilowatts power claims. I've seen flyers claim 20,000 watts, only to find the whole system being driven by three Crown Macro-Tech 1200s, powered from a circuit that probably couldn't put 20,000W *into* the amp rack. I guess there are enough morons out there who believe such nonsense that it's worth their while to make those claims. It's not like rave promoters are all that worried about truth-in-advertising... :) -Ed SLiP "into something more comfortable" From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 07:46:30 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 10:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: Whoa, I think it's great, Darshan. Sure, I don't think any of us want to start associating a 909 kick with Gene Simmons and his White Boy 'Fro, but I think techno is the most energizing music in existence and last year when I was taking an "Exercise Thru Dance" class (it was the only PE that fit into my schedule) I really got motivated with it. I'm sure we looked geeky as hell doing our nutty routines, but it was fun. Us ravers can't take ourselves TOO seriously, can we? :) --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 08:15:36 1993 From: Ricky -- Resident College Puke Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1993 11:11:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" writes: } Something about that really bothers the shit out of me. The thought that } techno music is being used for something like aerobic excercise conjures } up images of the '80's. Blech. Not my era - so don't use my music. A friend of mine and I were talking to an aerobics instructer/musician in while drooling over his fun toys (drum machine, 2 keyboards, DAT, lots of midi stuff run by a macintosh) and talking to him about stuff. Apparently the beats are just right for aerobics stuff, he was looking for stuff between 125-140 bpm, stuff that even the brain-dead could find the rhythm, and techno styles just fit the bill. He was not really using much of the mainstream though, mostly creating his own. Later, Ricky -- Ricky Connell connelr@research.cs.orst.edu Resident College Puke From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 09:54:08 1993 From: libby@bedford.progress.COM (Libby Wilson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 12:40:13 EDT Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: I think the reason aerobics teachers use techno is that it is one of the only forms of music that runs at high beats per minute and lists that information on the record. The goal of aerobic exercise is to elevate your heart rate to a certain level (usually about 130 - 170 beats per minute); it's difficult to do this when keeping time to the average top 40 music. Granted, it's disheartening to see a bunch of Barbie dolls prancing around to songs that have no meaning for them, but it sure makes it a lot easier for me when I take a class. libby From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 10:35:04 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 08 Oct 1993 13:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: Hmm.. Michael - you have a point. I understand that the tempo of the music is appropriate for exercise, but still.. I dunno. It just rubs me the wrong way - a bunch of sweaty, spandex-clad people working out in unison to the latest Labworks record.. Maybe I'm just being uptight? :) Darshan From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 10:38:03 1993 From: Jeanne Finks Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 13:38:15 -0500 (EDT) Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: > I think the reason aerobics teachers use techno is that it is one of the only > forms of music that runs at high beats per minute and lists that information > on the record. The goal of aerobic exercise is to elevate your heart rate to > a certain level (usually about 130 - 170 beats per minute); it's difficult to > do this when keeping time to the average top 40 music. Granted, it's > disheartening to see a bunch of Barbie dolls prancing around to songs that > have no meaning for them, but it sure makes it a lot easier for me when I take > a class. yeah, I agree with you libby. Then again, it sometimes hard to take an aerobics class at 130-140 bpm too for like an hour straight. It definitely gets the heart going! And, if the instructor happens to be playing something I enjoy, well, then I get double the benefit. Also, in relation to a post about the guy wearing an aerobics outfit at a rave (and looking very out of place)- I'm sure he is very comfortable and that's what counts- heheh it may not be like Jive spandex or anything (maybe we'll see these Barbies sporting it soon as nothing surprises me anymore), but who actually cares what this guy wears? -kiity. . . / \ / \ /^^^\___/^^^\ / _ _ \ | (0) (0) | ------- .U. ------- \ - / jfinks@cs.brandeis.edu \____W____/....the cyberkitty *meow* ^^^^^^^^^ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 10:45:38 1993 From: "Golden Boy" Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 13:41:23 CST Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: Hmmm....I listen to techno all the time when I train...since Gung Fu requires such a great amount of energy and stamina...I find it exceptionally helpful to get lost in a hardcore acid track and throw a few hundred kicks or work the bag...you lose yourself in the act of training and the vibe of the music picks you up and caries you...I don't realize how tired or sore I am until the music is over...it's like Digital Adrenaline. Try doing a hundred jumping jacks with no music...then punch in something at about 140bpm+ and there's a big difference. Peace. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <> deb9@pop.cwru.edu "Forget your name" "Just close your eyes" "Go insane" From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 11:04:58 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 14:04:35 EDT Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: > From ne-raves-owner@techno.Stanford.EDU Fri Oct 8 13:56:45 1993 > Hmmm....I listen to techno all the time when I train...since Gung Fu > requires such a great amount of energy and stamina...I find it > exceptionally helpful to get lost in a hardcore acid track and throw a few > hundred kicks or work the bag...you lose yourself in the act of training > and the vibe of the music picks you up and caries you...I don't realize how > tired or sore I am until the music is over...it's like Digital Adrenaline. Funny you should mention this. I got my parents (mother and step father) into techno about 9 months ago or so, and my stepfather loves to train while listening to it. He does Ken Po (or something like that). dave From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 11:18:56 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 14:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: > a bunch of > sweaty, spandex-clad people working out in unison to the latest > Labworks record.. As opposed to a bunch of sweaty, Fresh Jive clad people working out in near unison to the latest Labworks record? :) :) -Ed From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 12:57:09 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 15:47:53 EDT Subject: Moby/Orbital/Aphex dates Status: Thanks to Fluid for sending this my way... Apologies if you've already seen this: Forward as you see fit... > Article 15423 of alt.rave: > Path: news.udel.edu!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!deep.rsoft.bc.ca!mindlink.bc.ca!a9188 > From: Lane_Dunlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Lane Dunlop) > Newsgroups: alt.rave > Subject: NASA - See The Light Tour dates (was Moby et al) > Date: 8 Oct 93 19:20:00 GMT > Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada > Lines: 34 > Distribution: world > Message-ID: <30218@mindlink.bc.ca> > NNTP-Posting-Host: rsoft.rsoft.bc.ca > > Hello all. I promised I would do it, so here it is, the tour schedule for > Moby/Orbital/Aphex Twin tour. The tour is called NASA - See the Light Tour. > We are bringing some lights and plently of visuals along with us. We have two > dj's traveling with us, plus I believe that we will be using some of the best > local dj's from each city. I think one of our dj's is Vapor Space and the > other is one of the Utah Saints. When I get all the details, I will post > them. There is also a tour hotline. It's the NASA number and I might have it > here somewhere. Yes, it's 1 800 357 1474. Like I said, when I know more, I'll > let you know. Also, please keep in mind that this is a tour and as such is > subject to change at the whim of anyone involved. You know how it is. > > October 29 Washington, DC Buzz > October 30 New York tba > October 31 Philadelphia Trocadero (my fave place) > November 2 Boston Paradise and M80 > November 3 Montreal Greenland (although I've also heard . > that it may be at Metropolis) > November 4 Toronto Warehouse @ RPM > November 5 Detroit St. Andrews or Industry > November 6 Chicago tba > November 9 Denver Ogden Theatre > November 11 tba > November 12 tba > November 13 Los Angeles Circa > November 14 San Francisco Galleria > > That's it. More when I know more. > > Lane > > -- > Lane Dunlop "if you don't have anything nice > Lane_Dunlop@mindlink.bc.ca to say...then post it." > > > > > --2147483647-1259-750109367:#29539-- > > From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 13:08:24 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 93 15:41:32 EDT Subject: This is it . . Status: The little techo type stuff going on in this town - U maine has an official (well not really) info line! 581 - 6410 leave messages, and love it. our next gathering is a week from saturday - no info yet, may even be in a box car! /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 14:15:38 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 17:15:22 EDT Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: > Also, in relation to a post about the guy wearing an aerobics outfit > at a rave (and looking very out of place)- I'm sure he is very > comfortable and that's what counts- heheh it may not be like Jive > spandex or anything (maybe we'll see these Barbies sporting it > soon as nothing surprises me anymore), but who actually cares what > this guy wears? > > -kiity. troo troo, geniekat. i for one find it immensely comfortable to wear my tracksuits to raves, that's pretty much all i'll wear, as those who have seen me will verify :) O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 14:18:09 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 17:17:49 EDT Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: > > Hmmm....I listen to techno all the time when I train...since Gung Fu > requires such a great amount of energy and stamina...I find it > exceptionally helpful to get lost in a hardcore acid track and throw a few > hundred kicks or work the bag...you lose yourself in the act of training > and the vibe of the music picks you up and caries you...I don't realize how > tired or sore I am until the music is over...it's like Digital Adrenaline. I agree, back when i used to have a working Walkman :( i would go brisk walking with it in the gym, and it's great! granted, that you need to pick the music speed to match! O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 14:24:21 1993 From: KHERLIHY@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Date: 08 Oct 1993 17:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: technorobotics Status: Darshan is just worried that he'll find one of such classes dancing to "HIS" music... A worthy concern.... Heeeee :) kyle From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 14:32:51 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 17:32:48 EDT Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: > > Also, in relation to a post about the guy wearing an aerobics outfit > > at a rave (and looking very out of place)- I'm sure he is very > > comfortable and that's what counts- heheh it may not be like Jive > > spandex or anything (maybe we'll see these Barbies sporting it > > soon as nothing surprises me anymore), but who actually cares what > > this guy wears? It's the new raver fashion. Throw away all of your platform sneakers, baggy pants and Fresh Jive wear. You're only cool if you were tight spandex aerobic gear. dave From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 15:34:57 1993 From: Mike Perkowitz Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 15:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: On Fri, 8 Oct 1993, Dave McMahon wrote: > > > [something about spandex] > > It's the new raver fashion. > > You're only cool if you were tight spandex aerobic gear. new? i beg to differ. i have been wearing spandex to raves from time to time since almost a year ago, as some ne-ravers will testify (think black tights, white stripe). and i find it comfortable, cool-looking, warmer than shorts alone, and easier to dance in than jeans. :) mike "way ahead of his time" ;) From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 20:18:17 1993 From: Francis L Sibilla Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 23:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Breakdancing Song and Artist ID (fwd) Status: This is from my friend adam who used to be on ne-raves . . . I can't get this song out of my head, and I have to buy it. I have heard it at a few raves in the last year (in Baltimore), but it is very old [early to mid 80's]. It was originally a somewhat experimental breakdancing song, and was featured, albeit very very shortly, in either the movie, _Breakin'_ or _Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo_ or somesuch other nonsensical breakdancing commercial film. The song itself involves a series of chants something like, "Din Dah Dah [Up pitch Dahs], Din Dah Dah [Down pitch Dahs]." Later in the song, the chant changes to "Dah Dah Din Din Day Day Dah Dah." Also, throughout the song there is a main vocalist which either mirrors the underlying chant at a different pitch, or sings improv chants and yells reminiscient of the early Skat sound. As for the song, it is about the same as any other breakdancing tune. Since I am not presently on NE-Raves, please either send directly or carbon copy your responses to Thank you for slowing my insanity, adam lee weaver It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It | adam lee weaver breathes me.It breathes me.It breathes me.It breathes| me.It breathes me.It breathes me.It breathes me.It breathes me.It breathes me.It breathes me.It breathes me.It breathes me. - MBM "Satyricon" From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 20:38:00 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 23:36:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Technorobics and "Fashion" Status: Hey Folks, Just my 2c worth ( ummmm, in OZ$ that's about OZ5c with the current exchange rate but hey.... :) Anyhow, word from the folks at Sleaze Ball last weekend in Sydney, that paradigm of ultimate fashion (un)concious dance parties, many of the gay & strait folks attending were wearing Spandex training type wear mixed in amongst all the folks in exposure wear ( mesh flares & body suits with optional modesty straps, crocheyed ( sp? ) bras & briefs with a G-String, etc etc etc ). Also being worn were the new "A-Frame" skirts, long skirts with a slit right up the front, designed to be worn with leggings or something but here worn with just a g-string. Of course, it got warm so many of the girls were lifting their skirts up to get some air-flow around their legs and such. Naturally, grunge and rave-baggy was also in vogue. Apparently it was a real mix of amazing fashions and gear with much skin on display, prompting one of the guys to express "How much can a Koala Bare???" :) So there ya go, those lone spandex wearing folks on the fringes ( hey, and you too mike, you trendsetter you :) might just be the fore-runners of new gear to wear at raves. Hmmmm, maybe next season when it's warmer again... :) Grant P.S. I don't do aerobics and gym, I just dance for seven hours or so every Friday at the Loft ( when I'm not being bumped into :) and sweat off all the crap I've eaten that week - coool, and for only $7 too :) From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 20:38:40 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 23:37:23 -0400 Subject: USA television program seeking techno music videon ( fwd ) Status: Hi Folks, This posted to the Australian Raves list, thort you folks might be interested too... Grant ---------------------8<----------8< CUT HERE >8----------->8------------ I produce a television program in the US that programs computer animations and techno music video. The show is called "Cyberia" and it air on U NETWORK. U NETWORK is a non-commerical college television network serving 100 college television stations in the US. The potential audience is 10 million. I'm seeking techno music videos to program on the show, and any computer animations done by students. If you've done any videos, or know of some people that have videos, please contact me. Techno music video is very difficult for find. The major record labels in the US have given up on developing techno acts at the present time. So any underground techno music videos will be programmed on "Cyberia" Rob Campanell Producer, "Cyberia" Internet: robcamp@well.sf.ca.us robcamp@tmn.com From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 21:05:36 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 00:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: More Negative Hype Status: Whilst in my studio working on another phat track I overheard the TV which I keep on at all times (not to watch but for noise) say something like "Tennager's death from a rave Monday on A Current Affair). You might very well want to check your local tv listings for the time/day this will air. (In Pittsburgh it's 4:30pm Monday.) Joe -<><><><><><><><><)-]187-Phat_Beats_For_Phat_Cities-(><><><><><><><><><><><>- | Sub.bass.Frequency.Percolator || ---------------------------------- From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 21:38:51 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (Nate Goldbaum) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 00:38:26 -0400 Subject: Re: More Negative Hype Status: I was at a rave in beautiful downtown Troy, NY (near Albany) last year. The event was the first thrown by RPI's own DJ Space. Unfortunately, he had the rotten luck of having a girl die at the event. Evidently, she was epileptic and the strobe lights sent her into a seizure. The cops were in the process of raiding the event when it happened and noone was available to do anything forher I don't know whether this is the eventthat "A Current Affair" (or whichever soap-opera "news" show) is hyping but I have a queasy feeling it is. One of my first thoughts after hearing about the death was that this would (unfortunately) be great fuel for those who want to make our scene look bad. The facts are: she was not on any form of psychoactive (at least according to her friends) and if she knew she was epileptic she shouldn't have entered an environment that would affect her condition. Of course, these facts will mean nothing to those who want to show a sensationalistic "news" story. But that's the way life is. Just thought y'all might want the strait poop from someone who was there. nattie goldbn@rpi.edu (Nate Goldbaum) From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 22:02:00 1993 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 22:02:33 -0700 Subject: Statistical probabilities of deaths at raves Status: I wouldn't be suprised if the death profiled on A Current Affair was the one in Albany where that girl had an epileptic seizure. Photosensitive epilepsy is brought on by any kind of flashing lights.. This kind of thing happens in nightclubs (and with people playing video games) frequently.It would also be interesting to see the average amount of deaths,etc.that you would see in any large gathering of people. Statistically,I think raves,ravers etc. do pretty well.Look at large gatherings of drinking people,for example. By the way,I'm posting this with my new $99.00 14.4kb v42.bis modem! (the LineLink144e from Mac Warehouse,which is actually made by Prometheus) -Chris. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 8 23:42:53 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Sat, 09 Oct 93 02:00:14 -0400 Subject: re: Technorobics Status: >DATE: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 23:43:01 -0400 >FROM: Terence R. Strick > >Ditto here, but I don't know if they were playing this music at E III 'cuz >I missed E III :( >But I doubt it-- it's usually top 40 techno i hear blaring from the gym >all afternoon (ok, I'm exagerating all afternoon, but it still sux )!! > >terence It was definitely not Top 40..., unless they were playing Top 40 at Essence. In regards to all of the other "Re: Technorobics" responses, all I can say is wow! C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 9 09:03:54 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 11:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Technorobics Status: On Fri, 8 Oct 1993, Rishad J. Quazi wrote: > > > > Hmmm....I listen to techno all the time when I train...since Gung Fu > > requires such a great amount of energy and stamina...I find it > > exceptionally helpful to get lost in a hardcore acid track and throw a few > > hundred kicks or work the bag...you lose yourself in the act of training > > and the vibe of the music picks you up and caries you...I don't realize how > > tired or sore I am until the music is over...it's like Digital Adrenaline. Some Techno like "Take Control" is GREAT for aerobice....some of what we listen to at raves is really not good to aerobisize to though because it will constantly have a stop start which can be dangerous to the high impact workout.... The techno that starts lightly and builds and builds to climax andd then holds the climactic points for a bit are the best to use. [Unless you're doing low impact...then just take a VERY fast apced piece and count about one motion for every 40 beats] Melzie aka Lookin foward to SunshineII From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 10 04:53:03 1993 From: "Terence R. Strick" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 07:52:51 -0400 Subject: Cybertek Status: Wow. Maybe I'll rant about this when I recuperate :) Terence From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 10 12:54:59 1993 From: ST890259@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 15:56 EDT Subject: I'M BACK FROM THE DEAD!!! Status: HEY Y'ALL, IT'S ME, BONNIE, HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS, BACK FROM THE DEAD. I WAS GONE SO LONG I WAS UNSUBSCRIBED, BUT I WANT IN!!! PLEASE GET ME BACKK ON. OK? RAVE ON...B From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 10 13:34:21 1993 From: Digital Druid Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 16:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rave gurus (fwd) Status: Hey there... Can someone please help my friend? He sent me this message and needs to find some rave-going/knowledgeable people in the Rochester area. He would appreciate any help you guys can give him. his address is: rhaskins@aol.com thanks.... Gil ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 08 Oct 93 10:45:32 EDT From:rhaskins@aol.com To: cyberpun@wam.umd.edu Subject: Rave gurus Gil, I need your help QUICK! Do you know anyone in the Rochester area who is really into the Rave scene (if there is one here), or know someone who might know? I have an ethnomusicology project to do for the end of the semester and I thought a rave study might be perfect. Maybe just the address for the administrator of the NE raves list would be enough. Thanks in advance for you quick response. Bob From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 10 19:30:11 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 93 22:11:53 -0400 Subject: Cybertek - people I met Status: Hello everyone, Rather than give a review of Cybertrek (since everyone else will), I figured I'd focus on some of the interesting people that I met (other than ne-ravers). When I was playing with my flashballs, a gril came up, and was asking em questions about them. Then she mentioned it was her birthday. She was 16 yesterday, and complaining how she felt so old. I sort of groaned, saying how she didn't want to know how old I was (I'm 28). She then said how that wasn't so bad, 'cause her Mom was here with her. Mom was 31, but looked 25. Around 6 AM, I left the party to give these four ravers a ride to the subway station. The girls who were with them were a little leery at first, riding with a stranger. But eventually, we walked to the car. The funny parts were that they had done certain drugs at Cybertek ('shrooms, acid and E), so they were a little spacey. A conversation on the walk to the car went something like this: Girl #1: Are you going to kill us? Me: No. Girl #2: If you kill us, I'm going to be mad at you. Me: I don't feel like killing this morning. We wound up going back to Bruckner Records, then up to the station, which was off of East Tremont. I feel sorry for anybody who had to walk. Now for some PS's... PS1: What happened to the warehouse, instead of the tent under the bridge? PS2: In talking with the ravers mentioned above, they and some friends had been at the second B2B party at the bridge. The kids that people had seen in the back seat of the police car were supposedly friends of this guy. They were arrested for breaking into a car. PS3: I really enjoyed that piece of "Eleanor Rigby." Just what was needed. PS4: Forgot to mention...I became engaged this past Tuesday. C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 11 07:31:41 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 09:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Algorhythm 1 review Status: Well I have always been somewhat skeptical of TZ events. They have had a reputation of being hardcore Rok-bot festivals. And upon entering the community centre where Algo 1 was held. (same space as High Voltage and Soul) and seeing the WDVE Rocks! shirts I was thinking yep same old TZ even after the split (for those of you who don't know TZ split into two crews. Millenium - who does the Lizard's groove parties and who is throwing the Algorhythms, in short the Hardcore Rok-Bots. And Little Good Vibe, these are the women of TurboZen and their parties are going to be more funky Housey oriented with a drum circle and all that. Very promising.) Anyway for the first two hours I thought there was no difference in the music or the mixing. Then Side2 started spinning some really good housey stuff and a couple of songs bordered on breakbeat. Just the thing to reenergize me after the hardcore sledgehamer +FX. Then more funky grooves were followed by none other than Deadly Buda. I must say his choice of music has become alot better as have his mixing skills. Almost seamless. The music he played was far more thought out than before and the crowd of 400 or so picked up on this and the floor filled. After Buda was Scott Forbush from Cleveland. Some of his tracks were good but his mixing was nothing short of bleak. The crowd thinned..... Only to be brought back by Josh Wink from Philly. This guy spun a very wicked housey/tribal set and even played a new track of his straight off his portable DAT. Good stuff and the guy has a great attitude on music. In short the most slammin' set of the night. The floor re-filled. He only had an hour and said wished he had more time. So do I. Anyway he was followed by Terry Kicks who started on somewhat bleak note with "Too Much Information" by Duran Duran. The crowd thinned seriously here only to be brought back by some really good underground house and trance. Very good selection and mixing from Terry... and a nice guy in general. Algo 1 stopped at 6:30 with maybe 200 people still groovin'. I think overall it was a good night musically and the best TZ event to date. A large crew of about 20 of us then raided the local Eat&Park along with Wink who was hungry and tired about this time. Many people had gone straight from the rave to the afterhours party at CMU's Upsilon Delta frat. (the Frat with the Graffitii on the wall.) We got there around 8am and mostly everyone left except for the Millenium crew and friends. We just crashed out to some really grovin house that was being spun by a DJ who's name I forget. Looks like things are heating up in Pittsburgh overall this fall. For more information on events if you are comming to town (some people came from as far away as Tennesee for Algo 1) call these infolines: TZ/Lizard's Groove line: (412) 734-8432 Millenium Line: (412) 734-5549 Little Good Vibe: (412) 734+1891 Joe _1.8.7________/\_/\_/\_/\__/\__/\___/\____/\______Hotline_to_the_Dark_Realm___ (((WOW))) From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 11 10:57:09 1993 From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 10:56:18 PDT Subject: song id Status: > The song itself involves a series of chants something like, "Din > Dah Dah [Up pitch Dahs], Din Dah Dah [Down pitch Dahs]." "Trommeltanz (Din Dah Dah)" by George Kranz From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 11 11:33:40 1993 From: Oz Lubling Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 14:35:34 -0500 (EDT) Subject: Only in New York! CyberTek Status: another log of my weekend adventures: Friday night, I decided to go to NASA, the last one before the tour. it was at light wisdom & sound on 29th street. The space was pretty awesome. Two rooms.. one was a chillout room with a dancefloor and some tables. and the other was a huge room with a stage and intellabeams shooting everywhere. Of course the place was packed, but as you probably already know most people at NASA range from 15 - 17. anywayz, the music was ok. DJ jules from paris spun some progressive attack and some trance. he was followed by soul slinger who played breakbeat for a change. I hung out a bit with julian from paris and talked with him about the french scene and garnier, etc. He was extremely nice. After soul slinger I decided to leave since the djs I predicted to be there, were not, obviously. Thank you DB and Scotto. It was so apparent standing outside in line to get into NASA, how DB and Scotto were totally ripping everyone (or mostly stupid new york club kidz). As the clock showed midnight, The bouncer at the door laughed and said that all those flyer were useless now and that we would have to pay $14. luckily I was on the guest list. For those of you who are outside of new york city and thinking about going to maskarave, I say don't waste your money. Just go and see the tour in the closest city to you. I was thinking about going to new york to go maskarave 2, but the dj list didn't impress me that much, so I decided just to see the show in boston. There are a couple of cool names on there like DJ Tim from the Utah Saints and Marc Spoon from Jam&Spoon. Onwards to Saturday : The Main Event ---- CyberTek I'll try and keep my review short. Cybertek was under the whitestone bridge in a large circus tent. the setting was awesome. it couldn't have been much better. Me and my friend lawrence arrived at 11:30 and the place was completely empty.. but by 1 am , there were around 400 people there. the peak of the night I would say was 600 people. I heard SLiP spin of the first time. I really liked his set. I'm really jealous of those records. he finished his set on the fax tip with syn 3. The sets I enjoyed the most were Heather Heather's acid set. I think she got much better since last time at b2b. Then, James Christian's trance set was excellent. the peak of the night for me was when I was standing right next to the speaker stacks and james played edge rec #9. intellabeams were shooting off the ceiling of the tent, people were dancing in a mad frenzy and it appeared like the vibe was there. This was the first rave in a while where there was big crowd of ne-ravers.. let's see it was me, fluid, inhuman, fish, mark (machinemedia), jenn, mars, dave mcmahon, dan , laura, ed, eileen, Phil Z, harry, etc... I left half way through jimmy crash's set.. I was told that the rave was shut down at around 7:30 am when they started tearing apart the speaker stacks during carlos' set. SEE you all at CASPER, oz From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 11 15:53:41 1993 From: soundz@MIT.EDU Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 18:53:34 EDT Subject: afx/moby/etc in Paradise, Boston Status: I looked at the most recent issue of Boston Phoenix, and there was no advertisement for the aphex/moby/orbital november show. Has anyone bought tickets for the show or know any more info about it? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. JimmY HaT (condom/boston) From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 11 23:14:16 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 02:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sunshine II Help Status: Hey, I am solicitating volunteer help for Sunshine II. We need your support to make this thing work, netravers working at making the netrave work. Doug Zimmerman, admin for DC Raves, is putting in a lot of hard work on this, and I am working at helping him as much as I can. We need about 20 people total for this and have about 9 now. If you wish to volunteer some time or knows someone who might want to help out this saturday send him mail at dz5401a@american.edu or respond to this post. I am taking over the coordination of volunteers and should have the info you need to bring your skills to this unity effort. We are currently soliciting help for security, technical setup, and whatever visual stuff you have that could help make the scene better. Please, let us know as soon as possible. Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 10:31:19 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 13:31:11 EDT Subject: Re: afx/moby/etc in Paradise, Boston Status: You can definitely get tickets through ticketmaster for the show. I haven't been able to get through to the Paradise to see if/when they are selling tickets. Tickets are $15. Through ticketmaster add $4/ticket and $1.30/order. -John From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 13:58:44 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 16:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mid-Semester Break Fun! Status: Somewhat belated account of my rave-ful weekend... It was a hectic time from the end of my 3:30 class on Friday. I frantically got ready to meet my friends (and vraver djbit) who were heading down to Buzz in DC. We headed down the PA Turnpike to the tunes of SF House music (Jeno & Garth) and SF Hard Acid (namely Laura). Rolled into the hometown around 10:30 and after a little orienteering, located Buzz, in a weird back-alley type place. It had already acquired a long line. I spotted Xtopher in line and we chatted briefly before the rest of my crew wisked me off. Apparently DJ Finger (one of the people I'd come down with) had gotten us on the guest list (yahoo!) so we got to skip the line AND didn't have to pay! The funny thing was, we weren't actually even on the guest list, but Finger was like "I talked to Scott this morning and he said..." and the guy was just like "Yeah yeah, go on in...". You guys might want to try this yourselves. :) We got a free Scott Henry / Lieven de Geyndt mixtape and a free whistle. It felt like a birthday party with party favors. (The SH side is really good, btw. Lieven is sorta sucky.) It took a while for the club to get hopping, but it got pretty packed. There was an upstairs and a downstairs. The lighting was average, nothing special. I don't think there was a smart bar, but there was certainly alcohol being served, the only alternative being soda and water, I think. ($1 for water) The crowd was overall pretty cool. Not any worse than an average DC rave, at any rate. Net-ravers in the house: Danarchy, Doug (sportin' the new dB-designed Sunshine flyers), Max, Jenn-Bug, Fluffhead, Laura Larimer, Xtopher, Paul, Rob C, DJBit, and others equally important that my feeble mind won't remember. Memorable sets by Wink & Keoki. Onionz didn't show (or wasn't there, at least). Keoki played plenty of weird ass shit as usual. His sets are always entertaining, if not always danceable. I was surprised by how much good E there was at that rave! I did not partake, but it seemed like everyone else had! There were all these big E orgies in the chill-out sections of the club. A good thing, I guess. I wonder how long it'll last. Anyway, on to Saturday night... Cruised up to NYC with Dan & Jenn in the good ol' Acura. Made a couple wrong turns and some fruitless pit stops, and arrived in the Big Apple a little late for dinner, around 1am. I was especially sorry I missed your set, Ed. :( We cruised over to the Whitestone Bridge where Cybertek had apparently been moved to and soon met up with Laura La Gassa & the rest of the NYC/NJ crew. I had never been to the Whitestone Bridge location before, so it was cool for me, but I could tell that others were understandably disappointed that they had paid $13 for something that had been going on for free all summer. "Back to Bullshit," I said to Dan and Jenn as we were walking towards the tent. Dan promptly fell asleep, with Jenn soon to follow as I wandered around meeting a few new faces. The music was very fast when I got there, upwards of 200 bpm. Not really my cup of tea for more than five minutes or so. I also ran into another high school friend there, perpetuating the rule that I have never been to a rave since I've come to college were I haven't seen someone from my highschool (and a small highschool it was, too!). It was a fairly small crowd; perhaps some had heard that the original warehouse had fallen through and decided to save their $13. There wasn't much dancing, either, which was my main complaint. Oh well... For the first couple hours, I was dealing with a little chemical exploration of my own and so was not having a great time, but after about 4 or so, things mellowed out and the crowd thinned out and the music slowed down and I began to have a good time. I totally loved Adam's set and was really digging Carlos' set, too, until they pulled the plug on him. "Don't take away my fucking bass!" he shouted at them as the remaining ravers began to make their way back to the parking lot. Breakfast was lots of fun. Made me wish I hadn't missed dinner. Let's do it again soon! Hope to see you all at Buzz on Friday and Sunshine II on Saturday! --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 14:54:49 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 17:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Casper Status: Could someone please mail me the info on CASPER?! :) Melzie From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 15:30:57 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 18:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Casper Status: this is a HUGE flyer...im gonna give you the basics: C A S P E R - halloween 6pm Sat - 8am Sun coast to coast LIVE satellite simulcast from San Franciscos CASPER rave. All fair rides will be free (incl. freefall, looping rollercoaster, ferris wheel, enchanted train ride, the oscillator) 30 DJs in 3 Thundering areans: 333 A Place Called Bliss Armand Bob Bentley Dale Charles Dante Debo Dj sun DieselBoy Dutch Entity Guy DMC James Christian Joesky Liquid MGee Mayhem Mouse Nigel Noah On-E Onionz Osheen 3-1200s Overload Rio Ryde Scott Henry Scott Richmond Tiga Tim Ryan lasers by PAWN Visuals by Mellon Design Future visions by EBN 100 billion blinking lights 30 zillion watts of power 40,000 dancing eyeballs $22 advance/$25 day of Do not litter - eat this flyer The location is Warwick, RI. Directions are on the flyer. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ _ /,_) \ \ (_ ) ) ( ) _( (/ \\ ( (_ (_) ( (_( \) brit@ravel.udel.edu From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 18:32:13 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 21:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/12/93) Status: Alright, kids, you better read that Casper flyer carefully, because I spent forever typing it in! DC is the place to be this weekend with not-be-missed Garth spinning at Buzz and then Sunshine II on Saturday. I better see all of you people there! -inhuman, back in pittsburgh =============================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR =============================================================================== KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club Please send all corrections and submissions to inhuman+@cmu.edu or my old address is fine, too. **PLEASE NOTE: If you reply to this message, BE SURE to edit the headers so that you reply ONLY to me and not to all the groups that I am sending this out to! This is VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT! _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES SUMMARY: 10/15/93 - BUZZ (Garth & Doc) * - Washington, DC - (202) 828 - 1944 10/16/93 - LOVE (afterhours) * - Washington, DC - (202) 452 - 5522 10/16/93 - SUNSHINE II - Washington, DC - (202) 973 - 2109 10/16/93 - TECHNOPHELIA - Long Island - (516) 424 - 9432 10/22/93 - BUZZ (Adam X & John) * - Washington, DC - (202) 828 - 1944 10/23/93 - THE JOURNEY - New York City - (212) 465 - 2583 10/29/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Washington, DC - (202) 828 - 1944 10/30/93 - MASKARAVE 2 @ - New York City - (212) 330 - 8233 10/30/93 - CASPER - Providence - (401) 454 - 6028 10/30/93 - ALGORITHM 2 - Pittsburgh - (412) 734 - 8432 10/31/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Philadelphia - (???) ??? - ???? 11/05/93 - TIME WARP @ - Allentown - (215) 433 - 0503 11/13/93 - GRIN: THE SECOND COMING - Portland - (207) 773 - 6979 11/13/93 - LITTLE GOOD VIBE - Pittsburgh - (412) 734 - 1891 12/04/93 - ALGORITHM 3 - Pittsburgh - (412) 734 - 8432 _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES IN DETAIL: _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 15 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 828 - 1944 BUZZ * Guest DJs: Garth (San Francisco), Doc Martin (LA) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 16 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 885 - 7440 SUNSHINE II dz5401a@american.edu Craftsman productions and dcraves present the next day... Sunshine II A new evolution in the district. DJs: ~~~ Neuromancer (Tronic Records/Frankfurt-DC) Mars (Outerspace/NJ) SLiP (GrooveNet/NYC) John Rainbow (Puerto Rico) Chuck (Paradox/Baltimore) Tiff'n E (Richmond/WDCE) Aires (DC) Enzyme (VA) decorations by Fierce Ruling Diva virtual environment by Rob C. smart drinks by Neuro Energy starts at 10:00 PM this Saturday night October 16, 1993 Directions will be posted soon to the net. info: dz5401a@american.edu or (202) 973-2109 we support MGP, the underground, and freaky dancers _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 16 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 452 - 5522 LOVE (afterhours) * Chad & Whitt Present, beginning October 16 ----> LOVE Saturday Afterhours, with DJs: ---> Josh Wink John Philipe special guest DJs each week! Scott Henry Karl Mathews call for time and location and from LA, Brad X, spinning breakbeat techno LOVE Staff: Chad, Whitt, Valerie W, Derek S, John F, James, GJ, Joey, & T _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 16 LONG ISLAND (516) 424 - 9432 TECHNOPHELIA BAUHAUZ - Supported by the Long Island Underground presents T E C H N O P H E L I A Sat. 10/16/93 - 10:30 - ?? - adm $5 Featuring: Omar - DNA - Micro - Dave Trance - Dante - Sameer plus special guests... Directions: From the West: L.I.E. to Meadowbrook Pkwy south to Southern State east. Take S.S. to exit 33 109 east Babylon. On 109 you will pass nine traffic lights. At the ninth light make a left onto Park Ave., then make a quick right at white building #400. From the East: L.I.E. to 110 south Amityville, then 109 east Babylon, or Southern State to exit 34 New Highway. Make a left onto New Highway, then at light make a left on 109. Follow directions above... Free shuttles will be available for everyone arriving at the Babylon Train Station at any of the following times: 10:24 pm, 10:50 pm, 11:24 pm, 12:08 am, 12:24 am, 12:53 am. Special Thanks to: Eddie van Raven, Dennis the Menace, Fred Strong, Environmental, the "X" Man, Lady Z, Super Mario _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 22 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 828 - 1944 BUZZ * Guest DJs: Adam X, John Aquaviva _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 23 NEW YORK CITY (212) 465 - 2583 THE JOURNEY (212) 226 - 0657 Part 1: Mr. Kleen / DJ Dr. Alex Patterson / Adam X / DJ Lewis The Orb introducing the POWER SURGE 4 A.M. - 5 A.M. PSYCHO-KENETIC GALLERY Battle of the Outlet by Spike Millevolte Micro vs. Repeat and in the basement, the phunky groove of GIANT STEP OMNI-SENSORAL APPEARANCE Superstar DJ Jazzy Nice by lalalandia DJ Chill Freeze and the Live! Giant Step Crew Part 2: 6 AM - Noon, $6 w/ Orb ticket stub Joeski - Dmitri - Soulslinger - Reese - Kamins Guy DMC - Alex Paterson - DJ Lewis Tickets: $16.50 plus Ticketron rip-off fees Location: Roseland (huge club/ballroom) in Manhattan For bus or other info call (212) 966-4033. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 29 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 828 - 1944 NASA TOUR 93 @ @ Buzz Moby / Aphex Twin / Orbital along with: Robbie Hardkiss (SF), Dante (soon-to-be SF) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 NEW YORK CITY (212) 330 - 8233 MASKARAVE 2 @ NASA's Maskarave 2 Moby / Aphex Twin / Orbital Sven Vath / Vapourspace / more more more Infoline: 212-330-8233 The Event of the Millenium! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PROVIDENCE, RI (401) 454 - 6028 CASPER feelgood entertainment and balu present A S P E halloween C R fullmoon '93 -----coast-to-coast----- 6 p.m. Sat - 8 a.m. Sun EXPLORE CASPERS KINGDOM OF ENDLESS ATTRACTIONS a line up of 30 of the worlds top dj's will guide your journey through the ultimate dance fantasty world 333 (London) M Gee (London) ...Called Bliss(Toronto) Mayhem (Boston) Armand (Boston) Mouse (Boston) Bob Bentley (London) Nigel (Philly) Dale Charles (San Diego) Noah (Rhode Is.) Dante (Queens) ON-E (Manhattan) Debo (Boston) Onionz (Long Island) DJ Sun (Baltimore) Osheen (3 1200s) (Rhode Is.) DieselBoy [!!] (Pittsburgh) Overload (Portland) Dutch (San Fran.) Rio (Manhattan) Entity (Baltimore) Ryde (Long Island) Guy D.M.C. (Manhattan) Scott Henry (Baltimore) James Christian(Long Island) Scott Richmond (New York) Joesky (Manhattan) Tiga (Montreal) Liquid (San Fran) Tim Ryan (Boston) *EXPERIENCE VIRTUAL 3-D* THREE THUNDERING ARENAS A TECHNICAL MIRACLE OF ELECTRIFYING ACOUSTICS live satellite simulcast TECHNOLOGICAL BRILLIANCE from san francisco's AND BREATHTAKING MOTION CASPER RAVE! dance with the s.f. family THE CRYPT in 3-D! witness DJ's a massive chamber resonating simulspinning live on with the wicked vibrations 4 turntables - of deep house, trance, and 2 on each coast! tribal. release your inner- west coast casper DJ's: most mind and body to the carlos, jon bishop, rick spirits of the dance. preston, cristophe, curb, and ghost THE MAUSOLEUM a chaotic underworld necropolis ALL RIDES WILL BE FREE FROM where you are submerged in a 6PM SAT UNTIL 8AM SUNDAY: frenzy of hardcore techno, break hude arcade, boo's bumper cars, beat, and progressive house tilt-a-whirl, spooky's sky tram, all night long!!! gravitron, sky diver, auto jets, octopus, freefall, loop-d-loop, THE OSCILLATOR cyclone, merry-go-round, ferris a spinning dance floor oscillates wheel, and a giant midway packed the gyrations of musical full of food and games! expression into motion - you'll be back! Venture through CASPER'S HAUNTED HOUSE - Ride the spooky TRAIN OF SANCTUARY DOOM into the ENCHANTED FOREST relax and chill out in ambient where Magick is real and anything cynderdomes as spiritual can happen !!! aperitions [sic] float around you. free toys, candy, and other surprises mind altering laser performance for all the WITCHES, WARLOCKS, by PAWN GHOSTS, & GOBLINS! visual projections by costume contest with prizes at 13 o'clock MELON DESIGN [!!] & HOME PLANET free camping in CAMP FEEL GOOD Talaria Vidio Productions After party til 3 PM with live 100 BILLION BLINKING LIGHTS performance by "GRACE" 30 ZILLION WATTS OF POWER 40,000 DANCING EYEBALLS acres of free parking free oxygen PaNdAmoNiUm tEcHno MeSmeRisM future visions and altered a portion of the procedes from this realities controlled live by EBN event will support the national homeless smart bars by LIQUID FUSION alliance. feel good entertainment and the rave scene care about our community! 24 HOUR INFO-LINES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 401-454-6028 Feelgood 215-922-3405 Horizon Group 603-437-7795 Nikki B. 212-886-5448 Paul Paul 514-854-6446 DNA Rave Line 404-250-8230 Chamber of Dreams 617-541-4258 Primary 212-631-1065 Fred Strong 516-547-7118 Cort & Greg 207-773-6979 KC & the Sunrise Gang 212-631-4290 Mello 215-552-8833 Slurp! 201-295-1925 E:Force 914-463-9350 Up North - Acme Hotline NO-WAIT ADVANCE TICKET SALES TRANSPORTATION INFO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Providence: Luna Sea 401-272-5862 Montreal: DNA Raveline 514-854-6446 Fast Forward 401-272-8866 Portland: KC & Sunrise 207-773-6979 Home Planet 401-751-5695 NY/NJ/DC: E-Force 201-295-1925 N. Providence: Lukes 401-354-5853 Balt/DC: Deanna 202-452-7639 Pawt: Lukes 401-725-7156 Conn: Warped Info Line 203-454-6643 Warwick: Rocky Point 401-737-8000 NH/VT: Nikki B 603-437-7795 Boston: Allston Beat 617-421-9555 Toronto: Nav/Chemistry 416-567-8894 Boston Beat 617-561-4790 Boston: Janina 617-352-6071 Balt.: Modern Music 410-523-1882 Baltimore: Ultraworld 410-522-6933 DC: Music Now 202-638-3272 Albany: Big Dipper 518-465-6381 Atlanta: Q:Burn/Paragon 404-222-8410 Atlanta: Grass Roots 803-720-8049 Portland: Bad Habits 207-773-1310 Philly: Horizon Group 215-922-3405 Pittsburgh: Slacker 412-381-3911 Slurp 215-502-2226 Philly: 611 Records 215-413-9100 New York: Vinylmania 212-924-7223 RESERVE YOUR SPOT EARLY - Disk-o-Rama 212-206-8417 CALL FOR AVAILABILITY - New Brunswick: Planet X 908-249-0304 CALL 401-454-6028 FOR UP TO THE Toronto: X-tatic 416-599-8551 MINUTE ADDITIONS TICKETS - $22 Advance / $25 Night Of Event this event is guaranteed to be a sell-out [riiiight]. buy tickets in advance to avoid long line and disappointment! presale ticket deadline is wednesday oct. 27th. DIRECTIONS: From North take I-95 South to Exit 14: Warwick. Take Post Rd to Post Rd South. After 3 traffic lights turn left on Airport Rd. Follow signs to Rocky Point Park. From South take I-95 North to Exit 10: East to 117 East. Follow signs to Rocky Point Park. Rocky Point Park is located in a reisdential neighborhood -- please no loud music or loitering on your way in! Arrive alive: buckle up and don't drink and drive! Do not litter - eat this flyer! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 2 Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, October 31 PHILADELPHA (???) ??? - ???? NASA TOUR 1993 @ Trocadero, 10th&Arch, Philadelphia HALLOWEEN, OCT 31 : 9pm The NASA tour 1993 M O B Y ORBITAL & THE APHEX TWIN _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 ALLENTOWN, PA (215) 433 - 0503 TIME WARP @ It's official folks, so here it is... UNITY PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS... T I M E W A R P Out of the Stone Age into the Future Friday, November 5, 1993 in celebration of THE FREIGHT YARD's 13 month anniversary Laura(New Jersey/NE-Raves) Goodwill(Delaware) Ikon(Freight Yard-Allentown) geoffE(Freight Yard-Allentown/NE-Raves) Mark M(Allentown) Miko(Freight Yard) dieselboy(Pittsburgh/NE-Raves) WINK(Philly) Guy DMC(Londontown) Trace(Londontown) On-E(NASA, New York) 2 rooms - Room 1=Hardcore, Jungle, Acid/Room 2=House,Progressive, Trance Giveaways by: Instinct Records - New York Moonshine Music - Los Angeles Lucky Spin Records - London Sorted/Nervous Records - New York DMC - New York/London Smart Bar by DNA - Intelligent Lighting - Lasers by Pawn FOR INFO. CALL 215.433.0503 DOORS OPEN 9:45p.m. MUSIC from 10pm - 7am All tickets at the door $10 before 11p.m./$15 after 11p.m. geoffE ---The Freight Yard 3rd and Hamilton St. Allentown, PA--- _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PORTLAND, ME (207) 773 - 6979 GRIN - THE 2ND COMING KC & the sunrise gang & pandemonium! bring you... GRIN The 2nd Coming Satruday November 13th 10pm til sunrise and beyond Portland, Maine smile to the Future Beat Enormous Warehouse Location Multi Mega-Watt Sound System 20 Watt Multi Color Laser Systems Intelliget Lighting, Robo Scans Tiger Scans & Data Flash Video Walls & Projections Film Loops & Slides _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 1891 LITTLE GOOD VIBE November 13th in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania is Little Good Vibe. featuring everything from house, to deep house, to acid. dj list to follow. Info line 412.734.1891. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, Decemeber 4 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 3 Adam X & Lenny McBride (Groove Records, Under One Sky, NYC) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ [and this tidbit from Mars (mhv0@Lehigh.EDU):] For 24-hour, up-to-date rave info, you can now call the ZooM LinE at: (215) 998 - 9650 (Allentown/Philly) (800) 374 - 4434 x20051 (Beyond) [are these numbers still up to date...? -email me] _______________________________________________________________________________ ***EOF*** --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 18:58:32 1993 From: robcamp@tmn.com (Robert Campanell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 21:58:37 EDT Subject: Buzz DJs Status: This was the first Wink set I've heard since his hip hop set he did at Ultraworld Brainwave. It's was a good tribal set, but nothing outstanding. After Wink, I went upstairs and Lieven was spinning. I would call his set middle-of-road rave techno. It kept me happy, but not inspiried. Went back downstairs and Keoki was playing all his cheezy stuff. One of the most overated DJs on the east coast. Back upstairs again, and Scott Henry was just getting started. Stayed up there the rest of the evening. The energy level for his set was the highest all evening long. Vibe was the best, too. I have never heard a bad set from Scott Henry, and I must have heard 10-15 sets of his. One of the best DJ on the east coast. - Rob P.S. I got there around 2:00 and there was no line. It was starting to thin out around 3:00 so there was room to dance. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 19:14:53 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (Nate Goldbaum) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1993 22:14:45 -0400 Subject: NASA Tour - NYC date? Status: I just got the NE-Raves calendar and I wondered what happened to the October 30th NASA Tour date. In the Oct 8 message from Handi-boy (sorry, I only have a hard copy, no e-mail text) there is an Oct 30 date with place "tba" for the tour. On the new calendar was listed only Oct 29 and 31st dates. What happened? Was it you or them? Otherwise, keep up the good work (I'm a relatively new subscriber and I love it.) Hopefully, I'll have a free weekend soon so that I can actually _get_ to a rave (it's been so looooong). Hope to meet people at the next one (soon I hope). peace out nate From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 22:35:35 1993 From: DZ5401A@american.edu Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 00:56:01 EDT Subject: Directions to SUNSHINE 2 Status: Hey everyone! Here is the long awaited directions to actually get to Sunshine 2. Please all come! You will not be disapointed. DIRECTIONS TO SUNSHINE 2: FROM NE OF WASHINGTON DC (NYC,Philly, Baltimore) Follow Interstate 95 South to I-495 (capital Beltway): take I-495 west toward Silver Springs. See "From I-495" Below FROM SOUTH OR WEST OF WASHINGTON (Norfolk, Richmond, Charlottesville) Follow I-95 North, or I-66 East to I-495 the Capital Beltway. See "From I-495" below. FROM NORTHWEST OF WASHINGTON D.C. (W. Penn, W. Maryland) Follow I-270 South. Where I-270 divides, follow the right-hand branch toward North Virginia (NOT toward Washington). Merge with I-495, and soon after take exit 39 River ROad. See "From I-495" Below. FROM I-495 (Capital Beltway) Take exit 39 and carefully follow the signs for River Road (Maryland Route 190) south toward Washington. Continue south on River Road to the fifth traffic light. Turn right onto Goldsboro Road (Maryland Route 614). At the first traffic light, turn left onto Massachusetts Avenue (Maryland route 396). Continue on Massachusetts Avenue past the first traffic circle (Westmoreland Circle) Continue about one more mile. About a half a block before the second traffic circle will be a stoplight, and the main campus of American University will be on your right. At that light take a right onto the campus. You will drive under a building. That building is the Butler Pavilion where the mircorave will be held. After you drive under the building take a U-Turn to your right and there will be a Parking Garage entrance. After 5:30 P.M. on Saturday the parking is free in there Park on the fourth (green) level. Take one of the doors inside. If there is not any parking in the garage, there is additional parking available on Nebraska Avenue. The American University is located on the corner of Massachusetts Ave. and Nebraska Ave. in NW Washington D.C. If you have any questions/problems please contact me either through email or call me either through the sunshine2 info line (202) 973-2109, or at my home phone (202) 885-7440. peace, and hope to see you all there this Saturday doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 23:09:33 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 02:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NASA Tour - NYC date? Status: Nate- The Oct 30th NASA tour date is "Maskarave II", to be held at none other than NASA itself, at least I think so. --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 12 23:46:34 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 02:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/12/93) Status: Wooooo!! a *big* pat on the back to Michael for typing in that gigantic Casper flyer and making the rave-o-matic look generally groovy. :) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ _ /,_) \ \ (_ ) ) ( ) _( (/ \\ ( (_ (_) ( (_( \) brit@ravel.udel.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 13 06:10:44 1993 From: Bruce Krysiak Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 09:10:29 EDT Subject: Planet X records.... Status: Hey all- I am going to be in NJ in a couple of weeks, could someone mail me or post a city and address or phone number for Planet X? (That _is_ the name, right?) I seem to remember New Brunswick, but I'm not sure... (If you give me directions, I won't complain, either ;) ThanX... L8r. ----------- - Bruce Krysiak looking to rent or buy: ------//------- 1) cool net name (hopefully with many cool symbols:) - and - 2) interesting signature for my mail/news posts brucek@athena.mit.edu ... please help ... From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 13 07:08:23 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 10:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Mid-Semester Break Fun! Status: > I could tell that > others were understandably disappointed that they had paid $13 for > something that had been going on for free all summer. Except that this was not a B2B. It was run by a completely different set of people, and it was not the same thing as the B2Bs at all. The B2Bs, with the exception of the big one during NMS, were designed to be very minimal, 1200s-and-a-strobe sorts of things, precisely what one envisions when one thinks "free party". Cybertek was much more of what I think of for events in the $10-15 range: a 10,000W sound system (verified), four GoldScans, four Data Flashes, a large enclosed area. The bridge site was their backup, which they had to use when their original warehouse site fell through. > There wasn't much dancing, either, which was my main complaint. Mine too, and not just as a DJ, considering that they didn't even start letting people in until well into my set. It was a *very* NASA-like crowd, with lots of people just endlessly wandering around. I will never understand that, people milling about and socializing, in the midst of 120dB hardcore, or gawking for hours at the circle-jerks. Just shows to go ya that no DJ can hope to get a vibe going in a crowd that doesn't want one. :( -Ed From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 13 15:30:49 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 18:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SMART BAR! Status: Anyone interested in working with me at SUNSHINE2? I can teach you how a smart bars works! This will be great experience and FUN!!...If you are the least bit interested write me at... smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu You will not have to work the entire night...( i merely need my breaks covered)There will be penty of time to dance and mingle! Reply for more info on times and pay... Peace, Jennifer Smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 13 20:26:54 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 23:17:04 -0400 Subject: Technophelia location Status: Hello all, This is just a note on Technophelia, taking place on Long Isalnd this Saturday. I decided to check out the site on my lunch hour, since it is fairly close to work. This is what I made a note as I was driving by: * The site is deifinitely a real warehouse! It's part of a commercial door company. * Small size ... from the outside, it looks like it could hold 200-250 people, max. * Big negative: Very close to residential area. 500 feet away there are houses. Also close to a main road. With lots of cars, sure to attract attention. * Parking should be interesting. The lot around the building can hold, _maybe_ 20-25 vehicles. This should be coupled with another caveat: the town of Babylon, where the site is located, has a 2 hour parking limit on the streets around the warehouse. * Safe location ... low crime area, access to nearby convenience stores Overall, I'd say there's a high bust probability for this party. I'll probably stop by later on that evening (after 1 AM), so if you're planning on going, drop me a line. C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 14 09:06:03 1993 From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 12:05:25 EDT Subject: Re: 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE Status: Cybertribe, Found this in my files... =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu (908)724-9711 =============================================================================== ========================= Original Message ========================= Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu) by ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU with SMTP id AA124057 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:15:04 -0500 Received: from SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:01:57 -0500 Received: from nkosi.well.sf.ca.us by silver.lcs.mit.edu with SMTP id AA06319; Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:01:50 -0500 Received: from well.sf.ca.us by nkosi.well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/nkosi-921112-1) id AA20739; Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:00:56 -0800 Received: by well.sf.ca.us (5.65c/SMI-4.1/well-921206-1) id AA07288; Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:00:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:00:41 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Message-Id: <199212112000.AA07288@well.sf.ca.us> To: hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu, ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE The day ravestock is held is the day the rave scene dies. From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 14 10:36:27 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 13:36:13 EDT Subject: Refuge Status: again, a small gathing in Central Maine. This time I got people from portland c oming up. We rented a space until wee hrs of the morning, and may even go outdo ors again. For info (207) 581-6410. This gives directions, etc...... /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 14 13:57:47 1993 From: "Mary-Kathryn Whitney" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 17:53:56 ADT Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/12/93) Status: ============================================================= Just wanna say that I really like the new summary at the top of the ROM. Good idea! Thanx Michael! M-K (Mary-Kathryn) ============================================================== From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 14 14:39:17 1993 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Date: 14-OCT-1993 17:29:27.39 Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/12/93) Status: >Saturday, October 16 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 885 - 7440 >SUNSHINE II dz5401a@american.edu >Craftsman productions and dcraves present the next day... >Sunshine II >A new evolution in the district. >DJs: >~~~ >Neuromancer (Tronic Records/Frankfurt-DC) >Mars (Outerspace/NJ) >SLiP (GrooveNet/NYC) >John Rainbow (Puerto Rico) >Chuck (Paradox/Baltimore) >Tiff'n E (Richmond/WDCE) >Aires (DC) >Enzyme (VA) contrary to the scurrilous rumors hereabouts, DJ DAFT (Buddhahead Productions/ Hartford) will be there... SINCERELY, Kreig AKA DJ Daft NAKA Mr. SparklE From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 14 15:09:35 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 18:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: UVA! Status: Someone from UVA needs a ride to and from Sunshine on Sat night if anyone is able, please mail me....he's a very cool guy...I'm sure he'd appreciate the favour. Melanie From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 14 16:50:20 1993 From: "CHRISTOPHER M. MCCREIGHT" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 18:50:31 GMT-500 Subject: ftp?? Status: I'm pretty lost. Does anybody know how to get into VRAVE? If so, could you e-mail me some sort of instructions. Thanks, Chris From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 14 16:53:46 1993 From: phaedra@mindvox.phantom.com (jane weaver) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 19:49:39 EDT Subject: Re: 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE Status: oh rob oh rob oh rob. how true how true how true phae/jane From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 14 20:14:49 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 23:06:48 -0400 Subject: Cheezy techno songs Status: Hey hey, Just wondering what other insipid techno songs have been released, in the vein of "Sesame's Treet", "Speed Racer" and the Barney "I Love You". I'm sure there's a 150 bpm version of the Gilligan's Island theme flaoting around, complete with a "Hey little buddy" sampled in the background. C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 02:39:16 1993 From: Thomas C Butcher Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 05:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cheezy techno Status: Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 14-Oct-93 Cheezy techno songs by "Bob Baxter"@psilink.com > Just wondering what other insipid techno songs have been released, in > the vein of "Sesame's Treet", "Speed Racer" and the Barney "I Love You". > I'm sure there's a 150 bpm version of the Gilligan's Island theme > flaoting around, complete with a "Hey little buddy" sampled in the background. Even worse: there's a song that totally destroy's Carl Orff's "Carmina Biurana!" That's sacrelige! From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 06:27:11 1993 From: DZ5401A@american.edu Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 09:15:29 EDT Subject: Sunshine2 is almost here! Status: Hello all!! Tommrow is the big day and tommrow hopefully there will be some brilliant sunshine. For all who want to know here is the updated flyer as well as directions to the actual event. Things are coming together at a break-neck speed and it is really looking good right now. I really hope this can be some sort-of dcraves gathering and I hope to meet a lot of you tommrow that i've never met. If you lose the flyer or the directions, you can finger my account and it has the flyer and a copy of the directions on it. my account is dz5401a@american.edu peace and see you tommrow! doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu _________________ SUNSHINE II : Enjoy the warm vibes of a new dawn in the District Saturday, October 16th 10 pm - 8 am Dj's: Neuromancer (Tronic Records/ DC-Frankfurt) Aires (Buzz/DC) Mars (Outerspace) Mr. SparklE (Hartford) Tiff'n E (Richmond VA/ WDCE) John Rainbow (El Yunque,Puerto Rico) SLiP (GrooveNet) Enzyme (VA) Decorations by Fierce Ruling Diva Smartbar by Liquid Technology Virtual Environment by Rob C. Lasers by 2T The American University, Gianni Lounge No Alcohol - No Attitude Admission - $5 This microrave brought to you by: dcraves@american.edu WVAU craftsman Info & Directions : 202.973.2109 dz5401a@american.edu All Profits go to student-run campus radio WVAU 101.7 FM 610 AM we support M.G.P. _________ DIRECTIONS TO SUNSHINE 2: FROM NE OF WASHINGTON DC (NYC,Philly, Baltimore) Follow Interstate 95 South to I-495 (capital Beltway): take I-495 west toward Silver Springs. See "From I-495" Below FROM SOUTH OR WEST OF WASHINGTON (Norfolk, Richmond, Charlottesville) Follow I-95 North, or I-66 East to I-495 the Capital Beltway. See "From I-495" below. FROM NORTHWEST OF WASHINGTON D.C. (W. Penn, W. Maryland) Follow I-270 South. Where I-270 divides, follow the right-hand branch toward North Virginia (NOT toward Washington). Merge with I-495, and soon after take exit 39 River ROad. See "From I-495" Below. FROM I-495 (Capital Beltway) Take exit 39 and carefully follow the signs for River Road (Maryland Route 190) south toward Washington. Continue south on River Road to the fifth traffic light. Turn right onto Goldsboro Road (Maryland Route 614). At the first traffic light, turn left onto Massachusetts Avenue (Maryland route 396). Continue on Massachusetts Avenue past the first traffic circle (Westmoreland Circle) Continue about one more mile. About a half a block before the second traffic circle will be a stoplight, and the main campus of American University will be on your right. At that light take a right onto the campus. You will drive under a building. That building is the Butler Pavilion where the mircorave will be held. After you drive under the building take a U-Turn to your right and there will be a Parking Garage entrance. After 5:30 P.M. on Saturday the parking is free in there Park on the fourth (green) level. Take one of the doors inside. If there is not any parking in the garage, there is additional parking available on Nebraska Avenue. The American University is located on the corner of Massachusetts Ave. and Nebraska Ave. in NW Washington D.C. If you have any questions/problems please contact me either through email or call me either through the sunshine2 info line (202) 973-2109, or at my home phone (202) 885-7440. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 07:39:01 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 10:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ride to sunshine2 Status: Hate to have to ask again for a ride...but my friend Mark Xenith, from Rutgers (camden campus), really is in need of a ride to Sunshine2. He is willing to pay for gas. If you may be passing through or going anywhere near New Jersey could you please pick Mark up... you can write him at.... Mark Thanks alot!! Jennifer Smeddy From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 07:57:08 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 10:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: buzz!!! Status: I would just like to thank Steve(Fluffhead), Jason(Scammy), and the 2 great girls that I went down with to Buzz. I am sorry that I have not posted earlier about the night but this week is my Midterm week, very busy. I would just like to quickly say THANKS for the ride down, the great cheese hoagie thanks scammy ;), and for totally opening my eyes!!(steve you are right a definate rebirth!!) I really cannot wait till I am home for vacation...Jason and Steve will definatly be seeing a lot of me!! Sorry that I will not see you guys this week but I am positive that I will really soon. Also, thanks Dan for being such a great guy and letting me crash at your house and taking me to Cybertek with you!!!! I can not wait till this weekend it is going to be great! I also met Leah, xtopher, Leah(rainbow), Fish, Inhuman, and prob. a dozen more that I just cannot remember!! You are all the greatest...I have not met one ne/dcraver that I have not connected with...It is really great that have neraves and dcraves is here.. .because with out it I would have never met some of the GREAT people that I have met this weekend!(thanks Mars!!) Peace, Love, and Unity, Jennifer Smeddy From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 08:08:03 1993 From: ekblanch@sas.upenn.edu (Elliot K Blanchard) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 11:10:12 EDT Subject: Song ID... Status: I was wondering if anyone out there could ID two songs I heard at CyberTek that caught my fancy. They were both fast, hardcore, and had distinctive samples. The first one had a female voice cutting into the music twice, first to say "one minute" and then to say "two minutes". The second one was sort of stupid, but it had multiple samples, including "this is hell" and "this is techno"...I'd appreciate it if anyone knew the names of these tracks/who wrote them... From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 09:01:59 1993 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 11:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: cheezy techno Status: Beyond the ultraworld of Thomas C Butcher: > > Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 14-Oct-93 Cheezy techno songs by "Bob > Baxter"@psilink.com > > Just wondering what other insipid techno songs have been released, in > > the vein of "Sesame's Treet", "Speed Racer" and the Barney "I Love You". > > Even worse: there's a song that totally destroy's Carl Orff's "Carmina > Biurana!" That's sacrelige! I'd say that Sesame's Treat is the worst that has ever been made. Speed racer was actually quite funny (even funnier if you watched the needle on the record "crash" with speed racer :). And if you think anime are not part of techno, i could name you full of songs that use anime samples (of Goldorak for example or of Akira). Rap is also a genre that borrows from that. And then you have the nintendo, sega, neo geo (no, not Riuchi Sakamoto!) and other game manufacturers that have released several techno songs based on the soundtracks of games such as mario brothers, sonic the hedgehog etc... Even techno bands have written game songs like Bomb the Bass, YMO (yes, Riuchi Sakamoto :P) etc... Even bands that are not into techno at all have recorded versions of songs of video games (Narc by the pixies comes to mind). As for Apotheosis "O Fortuna" it was an interesting use of Carmina Burana. It was first released without the proper royalties paid to the estate of Carl Orff on Indisc records (note that even if the result was interesting, the use of opera was not a first either in techno - T99 for example - or house - the malcolm Mclaren presents diva love opera house is another example). At that point all copies were removed from the market, but after that an agreement was reached between Carl Orff's estate and Radikal records who could then license O Fortuna from Indisc (so much for sacrilege, heh?). It was then released on full of compilations and even bootlegs have been made (i have seen cd singles like "O fortuna" by carmina or "Carmina" by O Fortuna etc... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 09:29:47 1993 From: ANALOGUE BUBBLEBATH Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 12:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dj equipment Status: i know many of you have experience with dj equipment and so forth... i was thinking of getting a whole dj set-up, and i am not looking to spend more than a thousand. i am curious as to know what equipment would be the best buy/ highest quality... i realize 1200s are the standard tables, but it is the mixer and the manufacturing companies i am mst interested in knowing about. also, i hear that 1200s have a dead spot near the middle, and that if you are into "hardcore mixing" you need to get them custom built... is this the case? any information on the topic would be helpful. manish From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 09:32:09 1993 From: ANALOGUE BUBBLEBATH Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 12:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: cj bolland/sven vath Status: i recently picked up the cj bolland 12 inch of camargue remixes... it is really cool/interesting... i would recommend everyone check it out. does anybody have the full length cd of his material? is it worth spending the money on? also, the sven vath 12 inch, l'esperansa, is really good. all the mixes are interesting enough and the beats are tight and they groove really hard. definitely something to look into. manish From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 10:26:13 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 13:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ROM this.... Status: Hey! I found this bulletin board/flier leaning against my house this morning. Though it sounded somewhat nifty. Fluid, you can add this to your rave-o-matic list. Melzie, add this to your rave list too. -- rEact CandyLoop Promotions presents --- R A V E O F T H E U N I V E R S A L T I T A N S the dj battle to destroy the world Featuring Planet Earth's 80 Hottest Djs ======================================== Frankie Bones vs Simon Gatrall Adam X vs Guile DJ Spun vs DJ Psylicon Jan Cooley vs Force Scott HardKiss vs Phreebass Colin Favor vs DJ Sodium GrooveRider vs pHd Quick Fix vs M.D.MAn Double Dose vs DJ Break Pete Ashdown vs Markie Mark Mike Stevens vs LightCycle Brian Ragland vs PowErule Malicious T vs Doktor Megatrip Brad Vachal vs DJ Quartz dieselBoy vs Youth DJ Thirteen vs Sven Vath Eddie Richards vs JBeez Marcus vs Kevy Kev DJ Bit vs DJ Hype Noel vs Derrick May Alex Patterson vs DJ Lunatik Ernie Munson vs Carlos Hosh Gureli vs Robbie HardKiss Doc Marten vs Special K Josh vs Goa Gil James vs Michael Blue Paaa vs Clay Earic Patton vs Beer Phreeze vs Nikki Rivera Thomas vs Anton Dani vs Dutch Sines vs Shon Harry Who vs Man Ray Jeff Mills vs Dr. Seuss Jon Drukman vs Joey Beltram Triple-One-Seven vs Graham Massey J.Jay vs Scott Forbush Snuggles vs Danny Breaks Pete Avilla vs Neon Leon Kevin Saunderson vs MoonPup GLOBAL TREATS ============= Performing L*I*V*E ------------------ The Production House Crew The Suburban Base Crew The Reinforced Crew XL Recordings Power Line-up Plus 8 Collective Industrial Strength Collective R&S Massive Rising High Collective Jumpin and Pumpin Posse ------------------ special * guests BODY RELEASE ULTRAVIOLET CATASTROPHE ohio california and the long awaited CLASH OF THE LIVE-PA TITANS 1.8.7 vs MOBY Winner gets "Face of Techno" Trophy ---- TWITCH BATTLE ROYALE mike wertheim vs jim hopkins ALL OUT REMIX GRUDGEMATCH ---- THIS THREE WEEK CONTINUOUS HARDCORE RAVE WILL IGNITE THE GALAXY WITH OVER 10 BILLION BOOMING KILOWATTS OF BODY DISSIPATING SOUND and OVER ONE MILLION 500 MEGAWATT SUN-SHREDDING SIGHT-REMOVING LASERS featuring for the first time THE HARNESSING OF THE EARTH'S CORE AS THE ULTIMATE BASS MAGNET guaranteed to split the planet in half !!!! WE WILL BRING GOD DOWN TO EARTH AND SHAKE HIS ASS WITH BASS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ !Weekend Ambient Meltdown Featuring the BIG LIFE MASSIVE! courtesy of Lazlo "TP" Nibble ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This apocalyptic celebration begins Sept. 1st in the vast region known as KANSAS USA --- KANSAS CITY WILL BE TRANSFORMED INTO THE WORLDS BIGGEST MOON BOUCE bring your socks ++*++ Admission is Free ++*++ smart drinks by nutrient cafe wholesale toys and goodies by kenner/fisher price/virtual labs/amiga phresh scented air by cyberaromatrix promotional clothing by rEact cyberpunk flavor by future culture/andrew hawks piercings by dana watanabe amish rollerblading by mike brown equipment courtesy of digital druid human unity network by brian behlendorf groove and soul by god inc. opinions by karen silkwoods car/desi the three armed wonder comic spoken word by james word flier by alex pace productions THREE WEEK FINALE ENDS WHEN THE EARTH PLUMMETS INTO THE SUN AT THE FINAL HOUR THE EARTH BECOMES A HUGE GYROSCOPE hold onto your seats ---only for the suicidal--- -life : you know the score- CALL FOR MORE INFO : 1-800-DEVAST8 1-800-LUVBASS (((( THIS IS THE REAL MUTHA FUCKA )))) dedicated to alt.ravers and the newsgroup rec.bass-fishing ..the heffalump hunt continues.. -- What do you guys think? Sound good? dieselBoy ;) 105% HighOctane RaveFuel TECHNOCOLORED ------------------------ HIGH VELOCITY ULTRA-SONIC damian@phantom.cis.pitt.edu BIONIC BOTS IN TOYLAND ------------------------ HYPNO-PHLUIDITY (((((In Stereo))))) where available From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 10:30:27 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 10:30:08 -0700 Subject: Re: dj equipment Status: Manish asks: >also, i hear that 1200s >have a dead spot near the middle, and that if you are into >"hardcore mixing" you need to get them custom built... >is this the case? This is one of the silliest things I have ever heard of. What did the person who told you this mean by "hardcore mixing?" And by "dead spot?" And what part of the 1200 did they think was "custom built?" As far as I know and have seen, you can just buy the normal 1200's and go ahead and mix to your heart's content. Just imagine, if you had custom built 1200's you'd never be able to spin elsewhere other than your own tables. That would really kill your possibilities for going out and spinning at other parties. The ONLY thing I can possibly *imagine* the person who told you this could have meant was something like the following: it is possible that as a DJ you might find the pitch range on the 1200 (+- 8%) to not be wide enough. You (the owner) can actually go in yourself with a screwdriver or something and adjust it so the range is greater. This hardly constitutes being "custom built" however. Well, I'd love to know what that person really meant, Manish, if you can get clarification for your sources I'd be interested in hearing what was explained. Maybe you could ask on the bpm list. (Unfortunately, I don't know the address of bpm, but I'm sure someone around here does.) Laura From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 11:23:29 1993 From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 11:23:00 PDT Subject: Re: Cheezy techno songs Status: I think someone could make a fortune by releasing a breakbeat version of The Simpsons theme. ("Doh!" samples would be a must, of course.) From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 11:40:43 1993 From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 14:16:15 EDT Subject: Re: cj bolland/sven vath Status: Manish, I have them both and like them both very much. Hard trance is definately great in my book. Peace, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu (908)724-9711 =============================================================================== From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 12:24:42 1993 From: Bruce Krysiak Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:24:26 EDT Subject: bpm+ DJ list (was Re: dj equipment) Status: For anyone interested... (as I don't have Manish's address) The bpm address is bpm@andrew.cmu.edu. (Postings only) Subscription info: "Send your subscribe or unsubscribe messages to bpm-request@andrew.cmu.edu Any mail to other addresses will be ignored. -s!mon" L8r... ----------- - Bruce Krysiak looking to rent or buy: ------//------- 1) cool net name (hopefully with many cool symbols:) - and - 2) interesting signature for my mail/news posts brucek@athena.mit.edu ... please help ... From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 15 16:12:46 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 19:12:35 EDT Subject: CyberTecH review Status: Howdy all, A little late I know, but i must exercise my writing skills again :) CYBERTECH: The pre-rave dinner gathering in Ali Baba's in Hoboken was very very nice. The ambience of the place was very homey and cosey, though the decor did add quite a bit of exotic strangeness. It was great seeing a bunch of new and old ne-ravers there, talking, eating and breaking bread (well, pita :) together. We must do this more often! CyberTech was held in a great big white tent under the famous WhiteStone Bridge ravesite, which many of us have frequented this summer. At first I was kind of disappointed that a commercial event (let's face it) was being held on 'sacred ground', but at least some of the money made that night went to people who really give a crap about the rave scene here, and considering the expenses of the tent and the great big sound system and lights, i guess i can forgive them. Myself and Bob Baxter arrived at the site with Elliot and Don a little while after Ed had begun his lovely space-trance set. At this point, there were only about 10 of us devoted NE-ravers dancing around at the front of the tent near the speakers, and though there was some great music played later on by heather, adam, carlos, mario genevese and james christian, this initial set was kind of special for me ... it was as if the party had been thrown just for us :) Well, the night wore on and the tent gradually filled, the music got louder and faster, and things started picking up. There was a rock-block of 3 hours of hardcore from around 2-5 am which didn't do me much good, and it was too cold to really go outside for too long, so i tried to take a nap and shout-talk to the gang parked on the blanket. Things mellowed out some more towards the end as Carlos came on, but alas, the tent and sound system were coming down at that point. Thanks to all who showed up for this event: Bob, Elliot, Don, Laura, Ed, Eileen, Dan, Jenn, Mars, Mike, Phil-Z, Harry, Chewie, Fluid, Laura2, Terrence, Mark, Oz (sorry if i forgot anyone). I'm usually Mr. Prepared for events like this, bringing food, water, blankets, cups etc. in abundance, but i had a long weekend ahead of me, so i couldn't bring much. Thanks to all who bore with me and gave me sustenance :) Love to you all! See you kids real soon! ps. this event was recorded for posterity on my trusty camera, watch your local ftp site for new uploads :) O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 16 00:09:43 1993 From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 03:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: cheezy techno Status: I heard a tune that basically used the entire Theme to the Odd Couple and but a housey beat under it...and i dug it alot! It was pretty groovy and worked totally with a dancetrack..:) mikebee _________________________________________________________________ mikebee@cmu.edu | Australia! Australia! We love you, Amen. | Michel Battaglia | | nuff vibes | --Monty Python's Flying Circus | -----------------------------------------------------------------| ---------------------|___________________________________________| From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 16 04:28:22 1993 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 04:28:56 -0700 Subject: ORB Status: I just returned from the SF ORB party.. Whoa- From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 16 07:43:22 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 10:43:13 EDT Subject: Re: cheezy techno (fwd) Status: How about the techno version of 'Hey Jude'? O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 16 11:27:30 1993 From: Matt Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 14:19:51 EDT Subject: track ID Status: Hey, I'm not exactly sure who asked about a couple of the tracks at Cybertek, but I know about one of 'em. The track that had the sample "This is Hell" is of the SQUEEZE TO DEAD E.P. by Reyes, and it's off of KNOR. I know that a lot of the kids on this list don't exactly dig hardcore, but if you like to feel the thump of some crazy bass on your heart and soul, then this E.P. is for you, brothas and sistas. Seriously, this E.P. has four solid tracks of crazy hardcore sounds that will thump you and make you happily insane. By the way, the guy who does all of the artwork for KNOR, I think his name is Patrick Moreland, he was at Cybertek. I've only got four of KNOR's releases, but they all have some of the best jackets I've ever seen. Matt Laszuk DJ Fresh Blend the freshest blend of hardcore bass *BOOM* From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 16 15:24:19 1993 From: Elizabeth L Sandoval Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 18:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ANY RAVES IN PITTSBUTGH? Status: I'M WONDERING IF THERE ARE ANY RAVES IN PITTSBURGH OR NEAR THIS AREA?? WRITE BACK AND TELL ME IF THERE ARE, ANYBODY! From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 16 17:01:48 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 19:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ANY RAVES IN PITTSBUTGH? Status: On Sat, 16 Oct 1993, Elizabeth L Sandoval wrote: > I'M WONDERING IF THERE ARE ANY RAVES IN PITTSBURGH OR NEAR THIS AREA?? > WRITE BACK AND TELL ME IF THERE ARE, ANYBODY! To subscribe to pb-cle-raves send a message with SUBSCRIBE DISCUSS in the Subject and Body of the message. To unsubscribe do the same with UNSUB DISCUSS in the Subject and Body of the message. Pittsburgh-Cleveland raves is a list that covers the Western Pennsylvania/Eastern Ohio region. Send questions regarding this list to: owner-pb-cle-raves@telerama.pgh.pa.us or raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us to send a message to the list send to pb-cle-raves@telerama.pgh.pa.us to send a request (eg Help, Subscribe, Unsubscribe) send to pb-cle-raves-request@telerama.pgh.pa.us Note: this also covers the Tri-state area, PA/OH/WV Joe From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 16 20:44:52 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 22:36:23 EDT Subject: PRE-ORB GATHERING? Status: Hey kids, How many of you are planning on going to the Orb concert at Roseland in NYC next saturday, 10/26? so far, i think myself, phil-z, fluid, grant, cmellow, brendan and genie will be going, right? any more takers? I need to meet phil-z, grant and fluid before the concert to give you guys your tickets, so how about a little pre-rave dinner somewhere (wow, this seems to be a neat little bicoastal trend! :) in NYC? sound good? we need to get there early, according to the ticketmaster people, presumably to avoid long lines, so i guess a 7-9pm dinner and hangout session and a hop down to the roseland around 10pm should work out okay. what do y'all say? see you kids! O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 16 20:44:59 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 22:37:53 EDT Subject: new newsgroup Status: Hi all, just browsing through USENET a while ago and came across a new newsgroup: soc.religion.shamanism it might be interesting reading for some of you -- O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 07:26:21 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 10:24:04 EDT Subject: test Status: ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 07:46:14 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 10:39:41 EDT Subject: HUMAN MESH DANCE / PROTOTYPE 909 Status: hi there... lots of people have been wondering where they can get my new cds and have had trouble finding them...well.. there is an answer! tower records is usually the best place to find them... but, if you can't find them anywhere you may order them directly from Instinct.. here's the info: HUMAN MESH DANCE "hyaline" 8-track trance/ambient $10 PROTOTYPE 909 "acid technology" spacey, pure acid $10 you can make checks out to Instinct.. and that price includes shipping..the cds are (or should be) $9.98 in stores...but, this way you don't have to pay tax.. instinct's address is: 26 w. 17th st. #502 NY, NY 10011 put on the envelope: attn. mail order thanks..for your support and stuff.. *sniff* :) >.taylor ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 07:47:18 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 10:43:58 EDT Subject: the orb Status: i'm not sure if i'm going to the orb show or not.. but, i'd definitely like to hang out with everyone who is going... so, count me in... i can offer my place as a pre-gathering spot.. it's not in manhatten.. but, the parking is very safe... >>taylor ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 08:00:49 1993 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 08:01:25 -0700 Subject: The OrB -go. Status: If youre anywhere near the Orb show.. I suggest you go.. You won't be sorry!! Best $20.00 Ive spent in a long time.. -Chris. From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 09:55:06 1993 From: Phil Z Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 12:54:56 EDT Subject: Re: PRE-ORB GATHERING? Status: FiSH sez: > so how about a little pre-rave dinner > somewhere (wow, this seems to be a neat little bicoastal trend! :) > in NYC? sound good? It's a great trend, I think, and I'm up for a dinner! Roseland is up in midtown, where I don't know anything about getting good inexpensive food. I'd suggest that we meet in the Village, eat, and then take the subway to Roseland. I know a good indian restaurant on Ave A and 6th St, but we'd have to have a pretty accurate count and start time; a Burmese restaurant on 7th St might be better for playing it loose, since it doesn't get quite so crowded (definitely not a comment on its food). There's also a great chinese place on 3rd Ave around 29th St that would work pretty well. Just a few ideas, and I'm always game to try something new if someone has a place they really like. Phil Z From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 10:57:17 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 13:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RIDE NEEDED: Orb NYC Status: Anyone heading to NYC and coming my way? let me know... much appreciated. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ _ /,_) \ \ (_ ) ) ( ) _( (/ \\ ( (_ (_) ( (_( \) brit@ravel.udel.edu From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 11:34:17 1993 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 14:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Acid (was: test) Status: > +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. Definitely! I'd like to share with yall what i've noticed here: Once in a while i play an acid house track (and sometime a new beat track). I've played stuff from searchin' by boys inc to electricity by F.O.G. Music from around 87 to 89 mainly. Now, two weeks ago, i played 2 old acid house tracks along with some new acid and when i said that i had played two tracks from 88 and two from 93 in the previous sequence, the phone lines got jammed for quite a bit, with people asking me if i could play some at each show (older acid), or how come x or y song didn't played in clubs and i also got full of request for various stuff like Plastic Bertrand "slave to the beat (plastiiiic)". A lot of the callers didn't even knew of the acid music of the late 80s (If you are under 23 it is normal i some way because you were probably too young to go to acid parties or in clubs) and for others it brought back memories so thick, it was almost real (i kid you not). So i said, hey why not play some at each show, and start this modification by having a focus on late 80s acid. And it is what i did this past friday. Again, the response was phenomenal (as far as i can remember the only two things that jammed the lines that much was when i first played Papua New Guinea and my scary megamix - hey i could use it for halloween...). BTW, anybody knows of any deep acid house from back then? I mean rare, dark, acid house? Oh, and i'm still looking for Housemasters and the rude boys of house "House nation" and Pete Shelley's "Designer lamp" (b-side of the first 12" from his 88 album). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 12:55:20 1993 From: vkuperma@mason1.gmu.edu () Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 15:55:10 -0400 Subject: Re: ANY RAVES IN PITTSBUTGH? Status: There'z a rave on Oct. 30th with a bunch of Pittsburgh Djs and Lenny Dee...Forgot the name, but it's in a roller rink. From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 14:12:40 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 17:12:35 -0400 Subject: News, Reviews and Boston Fun :) Status: Hey Gang, Ha - I just posted this to the Australian Ravers list accidentally - SHIT! :) Anyhow, let's try it again to the correct list...... Just some collected information about the weekend and shit. First off, there is a chance that I may be going back to Australia for three months or so between November and February as there's an important project that the Sydney office is trying to complete and they want me back for it. This, of course, means that Casper *could* be my last US rave until next year ( I'm hoping to stay on long enough for GRIN II to say by to the Canadian crew too :). I'll know more about it later this week but it's looking like it may happen ( I'll believe it when it happens :). Naturally, I'll keep my net account here and post Ozzie rave & scene reviews for you ( the Sydney city version of the Rave O Matic is about the same size as our whole North East R.O.M. - sound familiar to all you SF & NY heads? :)... The other bit of this post is what happened this week - I've got yet another crazy Ozzie staying with me for a while and, contrary to popular belief, not all Ozzies are into mind candy - booze maybe but.... He's come out to view "some" nite life and we've dragged him to Venus on Thursday and Axis & The Loft on Friday. He's says that he's enjoyed it but what's really been fun is watching all the different people at the clubs and such. Friday night was a blast - Chris Mellow was in town from Vermont so he and Pholida came over to my place where Chris and I ( with Pholida's able assistance :) proceeded to live up to our reputations for having a good time on Vrave until Nikki arrived and we went to Axis. I may have some photos of the evening but Pholida would KILL me if I loaded them onto TECHNO so they may just have to be shown at Casper & The ORB only ( parles vous francais, Pholida???? :). Axis was jumping and Debo spun some wild sounds - there was an "out-of-towner" ( I think ) spinning there who also spun at Venus on Thursday. Good dance stuff. Caught up with Camper while there and we all managed to have fun. At 2am we met Jeannie outside Axis where she had been experiencing some of the more "interesting" Boston night life while waiting for us to come out... The Loft was cool but standing outside waiting to get in was even cooler. Damn but it was freezing - wot's it gonna be like in the SNOW??? Once inside I couldn't stop dancing and was even bopping at 4:30 while standing upstairs on the roof steaming - ewwwwww, was I sweaty :) It was great fun until around 5am when a lot of the energy and vibe left the crowd and everyone wound up around one huge circle watching some people doing "dance-offs" and such . I was too busy dancing to stop - I just couldn't - call me slave to the rythym or something but I was grooving right up until 6 when it all just stopped and we left. Boston was fog locked and it was incredible to see the John Hancock tower disappear only about 100 feet up into the blanket - the lights on the windows beaming out like search lights - wow - and then the buses looming out of the fog were wild - caused one girl from a different crowd to start exclaiming "What the Hell's That????" - hmmmm, too much of a good thing for her, maybe? :) We took the subway back to my place and Pholida staggered home with explicit instructions not to call her before 5pm - damn but it was hard to resist the urge to call at 12 :). The rest of us chilled and talked back home until 1 when Chris, Jeannie and I headed for the Trident to get some munchies. On the way there we stopped to drop off some stuff in Chris' car and the hole afternoon went belly-up when we discovered his driver's side window smashed and his stereo surgically removed ( the bastards even took his new Acid Jazz CD that was in the player at the time ). It took three hours to call the cops and give a report over the phone, try a few auto-glass shops ( 24hr instant response - yeah, riiiiite..... ) and then, with the help of Chris' father, whip up some plexiglass to serve as a window until Chris got back to Vermont. Lucky thing Chris' folks were in town to help out - they're cool parents dude :) Sweeping up glass while coming down was real interesting and resulted in some "interesting" conversations between Chris & I while fighting the urge to get engrossed in the patterns of his car seat covers :) Shit like this really ruins what was otherwise a great evening and I feel bad 'cos it wouldn't have happened if he'd parked & stayed somewhere else ( and I thought Fenway was such a cool area :(. Oh well, shit happens... Anyhow, that's about it - pretty wild times and proof that yes, you can have fun in Boston if you're willing to just get right into the music and forget about "image" and "scene". Hell, I had a ball and can't wait to do it all again. Bring on The ORB, Casper and ( if I'm lucky enough to be here :) GRIN II. Wooooo... Grant From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 16:30:15 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 19:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Republic Status: A friend of mine brought this to my attention. I remember seeing someone post about it, but I never really knew what it was. Interesting that it made it into the New Republic... ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- RAVERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!: Surfing the superhighway of information technology threatened to obliterate the desire for sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. But after a recent dance party in Brisbane, it seems the joys of cyberspace may simply complement these traditional vices. Billed as an "InterRave" to help indigenous people from the Sarawak region of Malaysia ("The people will be seen. The people will be heard" promised advance notices on the Usenet newsgroup alt.rave), Australian ravers used the Internet to reach out to hackers and phreaks all over the globe. While D.J.s transmitted musical selections and lyrics, partiers typed ecstasy-inspired greetings on computer terminals that surrounded the dance floor. Messages of solidarity from virtual participants in places like Houston and Helsinki flashed on overhead projection screens, and everyone stayed on-line, or on their feet, for the next thirteen hours. As of press time, however, there has still been no reaction from authorities in Kuala Lumpur. -- The New Republic, 10/18/93 --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 17:02:01 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 20:01:52 EDT Subject: Technophelia review Status: Hi Cyberkids, Technophelia was held in a smallish warehouse space in Babylon, Long Island. the location was somewhat near to some residential areas, so as Bob Baxter said, there was some cause for concern. i reached the site at 1:00 am to find Bob walking up the pathway to the warehouse. i quickly met up with him and after the surprisingly courteous security folks, we stepped inside. The time on the flyer said that the party was supposed to start at 10:30 but obviously there had been some setbacks. the house lights were still on, the music was not that loud and there were not all that many people, perhaps 50 milling around, some were dancing. For the first hour or so, this was the rather disappointing scenario. The lights were all on, the music was plain old house, the sound system was misbehaving. The house lights were eventually turned off, but the music didn't change any until around 2:30 when I guess a different DJ came on. For the next 2 hours the music gyrated between trance, acid and a little bit of house and 'slow breakbeat'. The trance sets played were really very good, and it was great to see people getting into the music, though the almost prevalent phenomenon of 'dance-offs' came around again :) The interior decor was pretty neat, wall hangings, 2 strobes, a revolving floodlight, a slide projector and a laser. The chill out room was especially cosy with 5 tv sets showing anime and other weird things, 2 bean bags and sofas. At around 5:30 cops apparently showed up due to a noise complaint i guess, and the music had to be turned down to cocktail party levels, though they promised that they would turn it up again at sunrise. Sure enough, the music gradually came up again to previous levels but I was pooped at this point (6:30 or so) so I chilled out in an armchair for a while. The music has also reverted to house and the crowd had thinned out to around 40 or so people, so we decided to pack it in for the night and head home. All in all, it was a pretty good first attempt. I say first attempt, because i suspect that there will be more Technophelia parties in the future, since the crew had specially made T-shirts, not a common splurge for a $5 one-time party. A comment on the people who threw this thing - really quite nice folks, as first impressions go. The map point people were friendly, security people were nice, not ruff, one of the staff handed out free lollypops. I recognized quite a few faces from the Cybertek party last week also. BTW, on the way out we ran into one of the members of The Atomic Babies who will be performing at Caffeine next Friday, and he gave us a flyer asking us to come. LAters all! O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 18:14:34 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 21:14:24 EDT Subject: PRE-ORB GATHERING plans Status: > i'm not sure if i'm going to the orb show or not.. but, i'd definitely > like to hang out with everyone who is going... > > so, count me in... > > i can offer my place as a pre-gathering spot.. it's not in manhatten.. > but, the parking is very safe... > > >>taylor Thanks for the offer Taylor, very gracious of you. what is your availabilty like during the day on Saturday? will you be in all day? how does this sound? 3-5pm your place 5-6pm take the subway to manhattan 6-9pm wander around, have dinner somewhere in manhattan 9-10pm head over to the roseland how does everyone else feel about this ? is it starting too early? basically, the people who have to make the trip in from out of state THAT DAY are the Boston folks, but Chris has told me that they would like to arrive in NYC earlier in the day anyway. How about you, Simon? would this be okay? if not, perhaps we could split it up -- those who can make it earlier in the day go to Taylor's and hang out there until dinner time, and those who cannot, can meet us directly at the dinner place (to be decided) at around 7pm. personally, i would love some Burmese coconut noodles, so long as it won't cost me as much as the ticket! :) input and feedback please peace of fish O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 17 21:49:40 1993 From: Thomas C Butcher Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 00:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: PRE-ORB GATHERING? Status: Mikebee and I are going to the orb... along with two people (who are driving us) and a friend of mine from nyu... let's hook up!!! Tom -the antu-stud!!! From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 00:39:14 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 03:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Club Woes and Broken Toes (and fingers) Status: Well I am pretty ticked off. I think you would be to if you just went through what I went through 45 mins ago. While trying to get the word out in the 'burg about two events (Casper and Algorythmn 2) I figured I'd swing by a local club (Metropol) on their "Hardcore Club Rave" night. My plan was to pass out some flyers at a distance from the club itself (60 ft from the entrance and on the street) and perhaps put a few Algorythmn flyers on some cars. Well all was going fine until one of the Metropol-Gestapo approached me and demanded a flyer. I handed him an Algorythmn 2 flyer, he looked it over and then told me to "tell Deadly Buda that if I find anyone passing out these flyers down here I'll break his fingers and toes, understand?" I nodded and got in my car, to drive and think. As I left he added "And if I catch YOU passing out any more of these I'll break your fingers and toes also." Now the facts were that I was 60 feet from the entrance and up the street on the street when this confrontation occured. This last added comment set me off bigtime. I said to myself, I'll pass them out anyway but just not get caught. So I waited until the coast was clear to pass out more. They found me again and demanded that I get out of there. Instead of questioning how I could get out of a public street I just ran to my car. Now I had a plan. If I couldn't walk I could atleast drive. So I waited until the club let out at 2:00 and drove around giving flyers to the roaming kids who were leaving. While doing this they spotted me again and shouted at me in my car. I now was on a mission, pass out as many flyers as I can before the crowd thins out too much so after they closed their doors on the one side I pulled my car up close and handed a bunch of both the Casper and Algorythm 2 flyers. They once again found me and tried to rush my car. Now, these are tactics I'd expect from the Mafia and I had heard of a previous incident where they had beat up Deadly Buda for passing out flyers but I always thought it was for him passing them out IN THE CLUB. And I thought the incident might have been one of those stories that gets better with each new telling but tonight I see how real the situation is and this has me mad. My question is this, is there any law that would prohibit me from passing out flyers on a public street? Also for yinz reading this on the pb-cle-list I urge you once and for all DON'T GO TO METROPOL ON SUNDAYS.If you have to dance that bad turn your stereo up real loud and invite your friends over. Or better yet plan a small party that weekend.But don't patronize a place that has to resort to threats to keep the scene here from going past a certain point.It's your scene remember that. Beside the above incdent the other reason to stop going on Sunday is because they have yet to choose a real replacement for Doug and have yet to hire a DJ with a proven track record even though they have been in contact with one and have his #. You can complain about the music but if you still keep going, week after week you can be assured it won't get any better. There is no incentave for them to change. For those of you on MW and NE raves I apologize for the cross-posting but I thought many of you might be interested in this and you may well know of a good response to this kind of treatment. Thanks Highly Pissed, Joe From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 05:00:17 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 07:56:38 EDT Subject: ps: HMD + P909 Status: the HUMAN MESH DANCE and PROTOTYPE 909 albums are also available on vinyl for those interested.. it's distributed by Watts... so, if you want it.. find a store that guys from (buys, i mean) Watts... THERE IS VERY LIMITED QUANTITY if you have trouble finding it.. contact me and i can do something.. we have like.. 5 copies in house... peace >>taylor ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 07:09:24 1993 From: "David A. Wolfe" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 10:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: TNP SCOTTO/NASA POST Status: NOCTURNAL AUDIO + SENSORY AWAKENING (NASA) NASA's goal is to awaken America from it's Rock-N-Roll slumber to the electronic dance music revolution. In Europe, techno is like a religion to it's disciples; and since the movement's start in the late 1980's, the festivals have reached mammoth proportions. NASA plans to make this a reality in America with their 12 city tour featuring the scene's most talented DJ's and live acts from England and the US. The tour will also show-case some of the most advanced lighting and sound system. NASA is the creation of veteran British club promoter and DJ DB and partner SCOTTO, a 24 year old lighting wizard from Baltimore. DB has been responsible for several New York weekly club events and is the Executive Producer for Profile Records' BEST of TECHNO Vol. 1,2 & 3, with sales of over 200,000. SCOTTO has worked the light at major NYC nightspots like THE RED ZONE and LIMELIGHT before taking his show on the road with current dance faves Deee-lite and MOBY. He also produced successful raves at the RITZ in May 1992, and in June, hooked up with DB and formulated NASA. NASA is a combination of musical mood and orgasmic lighting capturing the Rave spirit and taking you through a personal journey of total sensory overload. The bottom line is that everyone has a amazing time. "Part funky fashion show, part techno music dance-a-thon, part politically correct flea market, (NASA) is a loopy high-tech love-in laced with a playful sense of the absurd........TIME MAGAZINE, AUGUST 1992. ....line deleted by fax...... .....TODAY SHOW, JANE PRATT, DETAILS, GQ, ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, TIME, THE NEW YORKER, PAPER and countless music publications throughout Europe, Japan, Brazil and America. Top remixers of dance hits are naming their mixes after NASA's vibe. This modern day circus has another focus as SCOTTO + DB are concerned about issues around youth culture: at each event there will be leaflets on voter registration, AIDS awareness, environmental issues and local recycling areas, and encouraging young people not to smoke. SCOTTO expects many local vendors with hand made clothes, jewellery, toys and smart drinks along with a handful of "NASA HEADS" travelling along their tour. Ravers have recycled the hippie Mantra "Do your own thing" and have given it an up-to-the-second spin. It's the disco of the 90's with unbridled energy and a brash new sound. NASA has an international reputation for quality productions and strict standards as seen in Brazil's first rave parties recently with DMC Brazil/sunshine prod., and in Miami. NASA is produced by DROP ENTERTAINMENT ASSOCIATES, a NEW YORK based multimedia minded marketing and production team that targets the modern day youth cultures around the US. --------------------------------------------------- POSTER'S NOTES: This is as faxed to woof by SCOTTO for INET posting on 10/6/93. Sorry it took so long to get posted. I was the tech director at the RED ZONE when SCOTTO first landed in NYC. As a long time Techno-hippie, I have been cherished SCOTTO as a friend and admired him as a promoter. Nothing is ever simple. When promoting or doing production incredible obsticles (sic?) are often overcome just to get the show on. I wish NASA, SCOTTO and DB all the best and remember....... "When you're up to your ass in aligators, it's hard to remember your initial objection was to drain the swamp" -techie's credo. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 07:50:20 1993 From: athurman@nyx.cs.du.edu (allison Thurman) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 08:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: safety? Status: i'm curious as to how safe it is for a woman alone to tourist in boston and dc.. ive heard some bad things about dc and i want to knwo how safe i am... please send responses to athurman@nyx.cs.du.edu as im not subbed to ne-raves! thanks ...:) allison From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 08:15:04 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 11:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Club Woes and Broken Toes (and fingers) Status: Joe, reading your post upset me as well. It's definitely a bad scene when a club eliminates its competition by brute force like that. But it made me think of a few things that relate to our scene here, since exactly this sort of thing happened in Manhattan last year and the year before. First, club owners believe in making money. Only that. You won't find any ideals of peace, love, unity or respect here. For them, eliminating competition from raves is no different from eliminating competition from other clubs, except that eliminating raves is easier. Second, clubs have the law on their side. Think the scenario through - you keep flyering, you get beat up, then you take them to court. Now you're up against a (presumably) wealthy club owner, with better lawyers than you can afford. Plus if it's a successful club, the owner almost certainly has the police and the local politicians in his pocket as well. So the first thing they do is get a bunch of cops to testify that raves are nothing more than illegal drugfests. Then they get another bunch of cops and local officials to start singing about how the owner is such an upstanding pillar of the community and all that. Then, once they've got the jury believing whatever they're told, up come the entire security staff of the club who testify that you were drunk and abusive and attacked one of them first, no matter what your other drunken friends, er, witnesses, might say. How would you respond to all that? It doesn't matter that none of it is true, or that what you were doing was probably perfectly legal. Large, established clubs can easily get the weight of city hall behind them, and you *know* what they say about fighting city hall. This is precisely the reason why there has been exactly *one* rave in Manhattan in the last 18 months that didn't get busted. There, you either play by the rules the club owners set down, or you don't play. We can rave all we like in places like Queens or the Bronx, because the Manhattan club owners (for whatever reason) don't see this as their turf. In other words, "underground" means staying out of a lot more people's view than just the local constabulary. :( -Ed SLiP "into something more comfortable" From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 09:21:42 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 12:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: TNP SCOTTO/NASA POST Status: Ack, please, when posting to the ne-raves mailling list, mail to the ne-raves@techno.stanford.edu address. The gnu.ai.mit.edu address is no longer supported but is for some odd reason still doing remailings. The list on that server is old and will remail to address that no longer wish to receive the list and will not mail to newly added addresses. Remember, the official address for ne-raves is now ne-raves@techno.stanford.edu. To join the list or unsubscribe mail to ne-raves-owner@techno.stanford.edu. Dan (NE Raves List Admin) "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 09:46:52 1993 From: jcarow@MIT.EDU Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 12:46:45 EDT Subject: Casper flyers... Status: What up all? Does anyone have any extra _Casper_ flyers, or could pick some up? If so. would you be willing to mail me a few? Any help would be much appreciated. -Julian a.k.a. Casper (now do you see why I'd like some flyers?) :) From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 09:54:14 1993 From: RikkiTikki Date: 18-OCT-1993 12:45:38.40 Subject: harthouse Status: now of course this is all probably really old by now, but my mailer has been odd for the last couple of weeks and the first time I tried to send it, it got gobbled up somehow. I then abandoned the machine altogether, and hung out on a different account. so - Harthouse is releasing a comp on Oct. 26, which is soon, I guess. Called "the point of no return, chapter 1" it is billed as hardcore trance. it is actually pretty cool. lot of songs by the group "Spicelab." if there is interest, I can give more info... I also have some other stuff around for me to listen thru. take care young kidz! sorry i am not a little more aware, but i am learning a lot of stuff in a big place with windows. -tasha ================================================================================ tvanes@eagle.wesleyan.edu tvanes@pacnet.pac.wesleyan.edu *causin' a commotion* "It is not necessary to read everything in a book in order to speak intelligently of it. But don't tell everybody I said so." -Ezra Pound to W. Carlos Williams ================================================================================ From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 10:06:07 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 12:58:09 EDT Subject: Refuge review Status: It went very well. A. OVER 100 people there 5 people from Boston, about 20 from Portland, and the rest local. B. THe lights were well designed, thanks ANDERS, they were set up in freq. filt ers and flashers, so everthing blinked and flashed witht he music! about 12 lights in general ,and 2 strobes. C. We actually broke even as to the cost of the building, with only a buck cove r. D. The VIBE was awsome, everyone was smiling and dancing, and no one sat around ! E. EVEN SOME SILLY HIPPIES joined in the fun! F. We (anders and I) are doing it again as a pre-grin thing. THe night started well, there was a lot of cleaning up to be done, so we starte d about 3 pm for 9 pm opening. We made the place spotless, and wired up all th sound - over 2,200 watts in all, plus all the a sundry stuff for security. At about 8:30 people started to show up, and all at once the place was full! I played for a while, then anders, and the whole night went great, the musics w as so cool! THe people form away were so impressed! they had hoped that a few m ore people would be there, but there were tonnes! Then we took everything down at abotu 12:30 and went mobile. This is where the trouble began! At the mobile spot, about 30 people moved along, and we could not find the spea ker wire,.,.,.finally we found it, the 4 cop car s show up, with 10 cops! They wanted us out of there! I got my name taken (oooooooo) by CAMPUS PIGS and all went well, becaue those of us H.C. mofo's went back to Anders' house and we got the neighbors ok, and continued till 3 am, when one of the neighbors asked us if we would please stop now, becaue she wanted to got sleep. so in turn for her niceness, we shut it down and just chatted for a while, and then everyone went along..... Next time we are renting a place till all hrs of the night! And again I will in vite y'all to show up....... the info line will have all pertainant info soon (207)-581-6410 24hrs! /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 10:41:24 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 13:41:14 EDT Subject: PRE-ORB GATHERING.. WOAH! Status: HOLY MOLY! wow, apparently our little gang of 5 has doubled over the weekend! never stop being amazed at the power of the net. anyway, the latest head count is: me (fish) fluid phil-z chris mellow john shiple grant fuzzbox/jason jeannie mars thomas butcher mike bee taylor (maybe) simon moon john speakman regis phelan not all of you are 100% sure if you are coming, but i hope you have received the tentative day plan. here it is again in case you didn't save it :) [slightly revised] 3-7 pm meet at taylor's place for those who can come early 7-8 pm hop around the village .----> 8-9:30 eat dinner at ??? | 9:30-10 head over to the roseland and wait on line | '---- come straight to dinner if you can't come earlier Phil has suggested some places in the Village where 20 or so of us can meet and eat comfortably and affordably. if no one suggests anything else by say Friday, i would tentatively name the Burmese restaurant as my choice since Phil says there is a range of food available and the place is not crowded, and the prices are reasonable. we need to decide before everyone leaves for NYC (ie. before Friday for out of state people) so that in case you can't make it to taylor's place you can go straight to the place where we will have dinner. sound good everyone? this looks like another fine gathering to be keep in touch with comments, suggestions, problems etc. peace! O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 12:11:36 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:11:30 EDT Subject: APHEX/MOBY/ORBITAL show Status: MOBY/ORBITAL/APHEX TWIN Here's some more info: Each band will be playing a 1 hour set. WZBC DJs are Andrew Woolf Jamie Cohen Gene Sweeney also featuring Tim Ryan and other special guests TBA Video by Orpheus That's what I know, -John From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 12:30:34 1993 From: athurman@nyx.cs.du.edu (allison Thurman) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 13:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: re:safety Status: thanks for all the replies! keep em coming:) looks like if i'm careful i'll b ok but thanks for warning me about the bad parts of dc.. btw where do these cities keep their respecive nnigthllives? allison ps pardon typos.. bad keyboard From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 12:34:10 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:34:04 EDT Subject: BLISS FACTORY Status: Here's some detailed info about the 2 Bliss Factories coming up... I forgot to mention that the Moby/Orbital/Aphex show is a Bliss Factory event...ie it is sponsored and brought to you by the Bliss Factory people... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Here's the scoop: Friday, October 29 BLISS FACTORY upstairs at the Middle East in Cambridge, MA The Aquanauts (Ambient Trance) The African Drum (Tribal Drumming Circle) Video supplied by Orpheus Studios Performance Art/Music/Effects by Element 9 WZBC Psychedilic Warriors are DJing: Andrew Woolf Jamie Cohen Gene Sweeney International Cuisine catered by Out of This World Foods also featuring: Dr. Kno (The Bliss Factory house band) Guest Artist: Sleep Chamber's John Z. Whizz -------------------------------------------------- Thursday, November 11 downstairs at the Middle East in Cambridge, MA African Drum Drumming Circle Trance-cendental Dr. Kno (Bliss Factory house band) featuring John Z. Whizz & special guest TBA BLIND VR Also appearing: WZBC Psychedelic Warriors: Andrew Woolf Jamie Cohen Gene Sweeney Sasha Video by Orpheus Element 9 (Performance Art/Music) International Cuisine catered by Out of This World Foods From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 12:34:52 1993 From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:11:31 EDT Subject: Re: TNP SCOTTO/NASA POST Status: hey woof, please save your press realeases for entertainment tonight. this is not the place, if you want to post personal rave stories or real information, we will welcome it. many ne-ravers, including myself, believe that nasa is more interested in making money than improving the scene(i.e. no flyering inside the club for other peoples events and supposedly nasa was going to be free the week after the busted new years rave.....not true) anyway this press release just reinforces these suspicions. we are all very impressed with nasa qualifications,... jane pratt show.....WOW! sorry for this open flame but ne-raves has been needing one for a while, and you walked right into it..... burn baby burn!!!!!! disco inferno. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 13:14:29 1993 From: Kenny Eng Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 16:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: DC "SUNSHINE" PARTICIPANTS Status: ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.alt.rave X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: via nntpserv with nntp; Mon, 18 Oct 1993 08:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: andrew.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!magn us.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin. american.edu!auvm!th5733a Organization: The American University - University Computing Center Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 18:28:55 EDT From: Thomas G. Hopkins Message-ID: <93290.182856TH5733A@auvm.american.edu> Newsgroups: alt.rave Subject: DC "SUNSHINE" PARTICIPANTS Lines: 8 Oh yes, ravers are truly the new generation, truly the cutting edge in "alterna tive." this point was driven home while walking around the A.U. campus today. I noticed, littered everywhere, paper flyers advertising your little shin dig. H mmmm, yes, very alternative. So very different then the same flyers used by the greeks and local bars when advertising their beer blasts. Oh, and even more al ternative, throwing handfulls of these little flyers all over the palce creatin g quite a lovely mess, which the pissed on maintence crew gets to clean up. Ah yes, all hail the revolution. go die. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 13:59:01 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:58:11 EDT Subject: ULTIMATERAVER Status: I am taking it upon myself to add a little humor to our e mail lives so watch for the ULTIMATE RAVER QUOTES: 1. "AHHH, the colors!" 2. "That's right I want size 14 green PUMAS!" 3. "Who is gonna be at exorcism 2?" truly tasteless raver humor feel free to post your own ULTIMATE RAVER QUOTES I see the cartoon strip in the making..................... DJ TOM From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 14:02:42 1993 From: "David H. Sklar OBE" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 17:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: PRE-ORB GATHERING.. WOAH! Status: On Mon, 18 Oct 1993, Rishad J. Quazi wrote: > HOLY MOLY! > > wow, apparently our little gang of 5 has doubled over the weekend! never > stop being amazed at the power of the net. anyway, the latest head count > is: > > not all of you are 100% sure if you are coming, but i hope you have received > the tentative day plan. here it is again in case you didn't save it :) > > sound good everyone? this looks like another fine gathering to be I had a drastic change of plans and now I can go! Can I still get tix?! .........1.11.21.1211.111221.312211.13112221.1113213211.31131211131221......... dave sklar \ sklar@minerva.cis.yale.edu \ "i just grin as i walk" - bboys From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 14:36:32 1993 From: "David A. Wolfe" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 17:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: TNP SCOTTO/NASA POST Status: On Mon, 18 Oct 1993, chuck fletcher wrote: > hey woof, > please save your press realeases for entertainment tonight. this > is not the place, if you want to post personal rave stories or real > information, we will welcome it. many ne-ravers, including myself, > believe that nasa is more interested in making money than improving the > scene(i.e. no flyering inside the club for other peoples events and supposedly > nasa was going to be free the week after the busted new years rave.....not > true) anyway this press release just reinforces these suspicions. we are > all very impressed with nasa qualifications,... jane pratt show.....WOW! > > sorry for this open flame but ne-raves has been needing one for a while, > and you walked right into it..... > > burn baby burn!!!!!! disco inferno. > > Flame away, dude. But be clear, I have known SCOTTO for years and I stand by his commitment to those that he serves. I have no clue who Ms. Pratt is, so your knowledge of popular culture makes me humble. What I get from your posting is a sense of the attitude with which you are intolerent, that of exclusivity. Sort of the same exclusivity you would impose upon NE-RAVES. Be careful what you wish for......you might get it. Your position is valid, I just don't accept it. -woof From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 15:39:11 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 18:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: smart bar help Status: well i still need help for this saturday at Insomnia in richmond virginia...is anyone interested? if so please respond asap. Thanks a bunch... jennifer smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 15:41:29 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 18:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LOR addition... (fwd) Status: HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE OUT THIS SATURDAY!!! _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 23 Richmond, VA. 804.256.8578 INSOMNIA Richmond's first major warehouse rave...11 PM - 9 AM DJ's include: Scott Henry Lieven DeGeyndt Todd Krulak Dave Javate Chris Bulla Adrenalin ChadE Boggle Tiff'n E Rainbow + others... $6 Advance tickets go on sale October 23rd from: Music Now - Washington DC Modern Music - Baltimore Plan 9 - Charlottesville PLan 9 - Richmond SMART BAR - Liquid Technology $8 tickets will be on sale at the door. Directions available Wed. October 20th on the info line, or with advance tickets. _____________________________________________________________________________ jennifer smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 16:10:18 1993 From: phaedra@mindvox.phantom.com (jane weaver) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 19:02:11 EDT Subject: Re: TNP SCOTTO/NASA POST Status: ugh. That NASA press release posted to NE-Raves was pretty flagrant self-promotion, seeing how it was time for the nasa national tour. Bad precedent, IMO. I dont like being sent chain letters, advertisements or press releases. Why did SCOTTO (all caps, huh?) want his resume posted to the Internet? Is he applying for a job somewhere? Hoping some uninformed journalist is checking out the net for story leads and will use him as a source? phaedra/jane From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 16:14:05 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 19:11:06 EDT Subject: Re: your place okay? Status: how much has the group size "boomed" for the orb pre-gathering? if it's not TOO big.. i will gladly offer space to hang out... i just cna't have dozens of people... >>taylor ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 16:26:48 1993 From: phaedra@mindvox.phantom.com (jane weaver) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 19:20:05 EDT Subject: NASA press release Status: I sent an earlier reponse to bum address so I hope this doesn't show up twice. In reply to the NASA press release: that was pretty flagrant self-promotion, especially seeing how nasa has started its so-called tour, IMO. I do not like receiving press releases, advertisements or chain letters via the net. It bugs me when people use cultural movements as a means to pursue their own celebrity. But I guess that is technically what a *promoter* is. Why did SCOTTO (all caps!!) want this resume posted to ne-raves? Is he applying for a job somewhere? Hoping some uninformed journalist will see it and use him as a source. Just wondering. phaedra/jane From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 16:31:58 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 19:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SUNSHINE II Status: I just wanted to say that I had a blast at Sunshine II!! As soon as I walked in [it wasn't until about 3:30 or so since they were playing Holy Grail at the Hoff in College Park] I got to meet Jason aka method I [BTW, my name is STILL plastered across my hand :) ] and Mikey [whom I had thought dropped off the face of the Earth came by with a hug. It was really great to meet all of the new people [and I think 4 of them were named Rob :) ] although I very sorry I missed seeing Alby, Fluffhead, and Sean. I also could barely believe it when Maximillion's bag was stolen and then someone else said that some strobe lights were taken as well. I mean, I've always felt completely at easse leaving my things with ravers.....usually the only thing people have gone into my backpack for is water. [And thanks to all the people that mailed me telling me that I looked cute curled up with my Evian bottle....I'm just glad no one had any cameras :) ] So, I just wanted to thank all of ya'll for a great time and Derek for an amazing set [I'm also sorry I missed DJ Slip's set, I heard he went on much earlier.] See ya in cyberspace. Love you Melzie aka I was asleep in a car and the next thing I knew I was at AU From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 16:48:13 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 19:30:38 -0400 Subject: Refuse after a party Status: That post that came out of American Uninversity, whereby the poster had made sarcams about raving and ecology, and "Go die" struck a chord in me. It has to do with the amount of garbage and junk left by people after a party/rave and their failure to clean it up. Cases in point: * The grounds after Cybertek. Crushed water bottles littered the ground. Instead of a place for dance and celebration, the park becomes a dumping ground. * Leaving Caffeine (on Long Island) after the club closes. Not so much flyers, but people leaving those recyclable bags filled with junk curb side in front of businesses. * The Technophelia party last Saturday night. At one point, a group of 5 people had been sitting on a mat that Rishad/Fish had brought with him. We were preparing to leave, so he left newspapers on the floor as a courtesy to those folks. They wound up leaving the same time we did, but walked off and the left the papers on the floor. Flyers littered the ground. I'm halfway thinking of getting flyers printed up reminding people about ecology, recycling, and just plain cleaning up after themselves when a party ends. However, the people will probably just throw them on the floor, to be accumulated with the dawn. Grrr. Any ideas on how all of this littering can be decreased? C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 17:59:42 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 20:59:30 EDT Subject: Refuse after a party (fwd) Status: > I'm halfway thinking of getting flyers printed up reminding people about > ecology, recycling, and just plain cleaning up after themselves when a > party ends. However, the people will probably just throw them on the > floor, to be accumulated with the dawn. Grrr. Any ideas on how all of > this littering can be decreased? Good point, the only problem with flyers being that yes, the end result would probably be that they would end up as garbage on the ground also. A similar scene, like i've said before on the list, is the sad attitude of the partygoers at the bridge B2B the week of NMS. one of the best nights of my life was kind of tainted by seeing the battlefield of bottles everywhere. i guess the only thing we can do is try to set an example by picking up after ourselves and asking those around us to pitch in. oh well. i guess this is a candidate for addition to Heather's 'Rules for Raves' flyers. peace and respect for the ravesite, O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 18:07:29 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 21:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Status: scammy are you guys going to buzz or insomnia? I lost your e-mail address. please right me so i can add it to my address book...;) HOPE TO SEE EVERYONE AT INSOMNIA!! jennifer smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 20:12:44 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 23:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: TNP SCOTTO/NASA POST Status: Ack, once again folk. Could you please just kill all the mit addresses? Mail for ne-raves is going through ne-raves@techno.stanford.edu. Mail to the list admin (me) goes to ne-raves-owner@techno.stanford.edu. As an aside to the conversation, I don't mind flames. They do seem to be a legitimate form of conversation on the net. But don't ask people not to post their stuff to ne-raves. This is a forum for everyone, even advertisers (information is information, despite the source and intent). Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 20:42:48 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 23:42:07 EDT Subject: Re: Refuse after a party (fwd) Status: > > > I'm halfway thinking of getting flyers printed up reminding people about > > ecology, recycling, and just plain cleaning up after themselves when a > > party ends. However, the people will probably just throw them on the > > floor, to be accumulated with the dawn. Grrr. Any ideas on how all of > > this littering can be decreased? > > Good point, the only problem with flyers being that yes, the end result > would probably be that they would end up as garbage on the ground also. > A similar scene, like i've said before on the list, is the sad attitude > of the partygoers at the bridge B2B the week of NMS. one of the best > nights of my life was kind of tainted by seeing the battlefield of > bottles everywhere. i guess the only thing we can do is try to set an > example by picking up after ourselves and asking those around us to > pitch in. oh well. i guess this is a candidate for addition to Heather's > 'Rules for Raves' flyers. > > peace and respect for the ravesite, > > O ~ ~ > i know the person who put all those flyers on the ground was me , and i did it the night before cause i had a whole bunch of flyers and threw some on the ground just if nothing else to get rid of some i know its nasty but we did clean up the actual place and i just completely forgot about the other flyers. it might sound lame but there were 100 other things i thought about instead if take for an example of people going beyone and above the call for cleaning up were Dan and Kreig at Sunshine 2 with doing a lot of cleaning up and going WAY above and beyond the call. And in San Francisco it seemed like a custom with the promoters there to carry along trash cans and pick up after themselves when they finished up. We could all learn from that. doug ) ( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 21:00:21 1993 From: jenberry@acs.bu.edu (Jennifer Young) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 23:58:36 EDT Subject: casper Status: Does anyone know about a bus going to Casper from Boston? What time is it leaving? From where? How much? I can't get an answer when I call th e transportation info # on the flyer. Also, does anyone know: is the Providence # on the flyer ( i think it is 454-6028 but i can't recall off-hand for sure) the number to reach MIke Regan? If no, whose # is it? Is anyone from B.U. going? any answers would be very much appreciated!!thanks- jayflower address: jenberry@acs.bu.edu From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 18 22:35:37 1993 From: 6ANTHONY_M@spcvxa.spc.edu Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 01:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CASPER Status: Hey... Anyone from NJ/NYC or anyone driving through the area to Casper wanna give me a ride? I'll help out with gas and stuff. Asking early so I dont miss out.. peace the fiend From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 00:21:32 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 23:43:00 -0500 Subject: cheezy techno (fwd) Status: On 10-16-93, RISHAD J. QUAZI wrote to DAVID DARROW: RJQ> How about the techno version of 'Hey Jude'? They have "Straberry Fields" with a hip-hop backbeat, why not a techno "Hey Jude"? d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 00:31:50 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 23:44:00 -0500 Subject: Sunshine II Status: I'm not sure who's on what list so I am cross-posting so that everyone I met saturday get this. I want to thank everyone for making my first net-event a great experience. It proves that net-ravers are the best ravers! It was unfortunate that we had to leave before sunrise, but I only got 2 hours sleep friday night and was running on (out of?) fumes by the AM hours. It was interesting to see the mixture of net-ravers, local ravers, and campus "rave-curious" folks, of which the latter were the least friendly, but hey--if they came, there's hope for them yet. I hope they took a bit of the unity from the gathering and spread it around, let it work its magic on the attitudes, posturing and latent alcoholism of the typical college party scene. I am looking forward to the next list-sponsored event...well, I looking forward to casper first! (then NASA in philly, also) Now some yo's! Dan: send me the vitals on the 4-badge design and I'll start working on it. Jenn: the drink was great, but it was asking too much for it to keep me awake the whole drive home (2hrs sleep fri) so we crashed in a rest area on 95. You put a bottle of contact lens cleaner in my bookbag. I'll hold on to it untill we meet again which, I'm sorry, won't be this weekend (Rachael has to work) or Maskarave (we are taking her sister to Casper) but sometime soon I hope. It was great to meet you, we will definately be running into you again. I promise not to read e-mail that you only want Rachael to read, since she doesn't get on the net. cya Doug: I read the post about the flyers all over campus and I felt really bad since Rachael and I were passing them out, and I was ready to prepare a HUGE apology when I read your post about them. We mostly handed them to people and put them in strategic places all over the building we were in. Anyway, I hope the night was a success in your eyes, we thought it was. Sorry I couldn't stay for tear-down, I was really tired. DJ's: Everyone was great, the energy level was motivated from mezmorizing to energizing to annihilating and back around again all night thanx to y'all. Keep up the good verk! Anyone I talked to that whose name I didn't mention, sorry my brain was quite drained by midnight, I was wearing a light grey t-shirt with a dancing frog with a top hat and cane. I would have gotten on the FFL or whatever, but my plans did not get solidified until friday night. But, for future reference, we are going to Casper (hopfully) and then Moby in Philly the next night. I think one of the guys who was meeting us for dinner in philly is also going to casper the night before. If anyone else is, maybe we can caravan or carpool and invade rest-area fast food places together. Keep in touch everybody....over and out! d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 05:34:01 1993 From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 08:13:15 EDT Subject: Re: TNP SCOTTO/NASA POST Status: dan, you are right to say that all information is welcome, but i think you might want to think about saying you welcome advertising. it is hard to determine what is advertising or not as a staple of our communications on ne-raves is re-typed flyers for events, but the net does not welcome unsolicited(meaning not asked for) advertising. what you said might lead people to believe they could sell things(for a profit) to ne-ravers ON ne-raves at will. i apologize for trying to start trouble before, i was in that kind of mood. scotto is a very marketing savvy guy and i can understand woof(whom i also apologise to) thinking this was the kind of information which benefited ne-raves. By the way dan i want to thank you for taking on the job of administrating ne-raves its a big job :) revar@phantom.com "$2 off before midnight" seen on flyers- club opens 12:10 From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 06:44:53 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 09:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: insomnia Status: Well, once again I am here begging for a ride to INSOMNIA...There really is nothing that I can say to persuade you to give me a ride...except that i can chip in for gas and get who ever drives on the guest list? I live about 1.5 hours from both nyc and philly(in kutztown pa). I can prob. get to philly with a little difficulty if someone could pick me up there. I can also take a ride to dc on Friday to Buzz, if anyone is going, and then maybe fend for myself till saturday. Please if anyone is the lest bit interested in going this weekend please respond...I really need to get there. thanks, Jennifer Smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 07:06:54 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 10:04:30 -0400 Subject: Bye Bye Winter :) Status: Hey Gang, Well, it's definitely happening, I'm booked to fly back to Oz on Monday 15th November ( just after GRIN II :) and won't be back until February some time ( so I will get *some* snow :). I'll be thinking of you lot shivering away in the snows while I get some melanoma's on Sydney's beaches ( nothing like coming down off a rave while sunbaking in a park or at a beach - it's fun :). I'll miss ya while I'm away but will keep this account open and telnet to it from Sydney so I can post reviews of all the wonderous things I'll no doubt be seeing ( hey, wonder if I can stay in Sydney long enuff for Mardis Gras in February - coool :)... See whom-ever at The ORB, Casper and Grin II.... Grant From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 07:10:22 1993 From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 10:07:22 EDT Subject: need a ride to casper Status: jane and i need a ride to casper from nyc, if anyone can help please email me thanks very much revar From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 08:52:05 1993 From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 09:49:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: XDZebra Review #37 Status: Sorry for the delay, I've had a zillion other things to do in my life and the music has been piling up at home. You should see a few more reviews come out this week. I've also stopped sending this to all the rave lists, save SFRaves and NERaves. There will be a subscription service for XDZ Reviews soon. XDZebra Review #37 Addiction 266 Delmar Ct. Salt Lake City, UT 84101-1817 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational: angst@psych.colorado.edu also Twitch Remix Service,584 Castro St,Suite 600,San Francisco,CA,94114 Back issues are available from me by mail or by ftp'ing to techno.stanford.edu. They're in the pub/raves/music/reviews directory. XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #37 Contents: House of Acid Jazz - A Collection of Acid * Jazz * House - Volume 1 Twitch CD 8 ADSR: Obsession Narcosis - A Journey Through the Outs and Ins of Underground Excursions in Ambience - The Second Orbit Apollo Compilation House of Acid Jazz - A Collection of Acid * Jazz * House - Volume 1 Astralwerks: ASW 6103-2 1 121 03:27 The Funky Fellows: Ring Ring 2 130 03:56 Babe Root: Radio La La 3 127 04:28 Trans-Bassix: Zoom 4 134 04:26 Coincidance: The Wonderful World Of 5 130 03:56 Two Bloody Xylophones: Geen Aansluiting 6 130 04:02 Fritz and his Jazzcats: Good Inside 7 121 04:11 Jacomo Brothers: Jazzy Guitar 8 140 04:44 The Funkatears: Hot, Hot 9 134 04:30 Jazz Inc.: Random Access 10 130 04:04 Delfinokkio: No It Isn't Fun 11 132 03:52 Funky Tribe Two: Dance 12 121 04:46 The Funky Fellows: Ring Ring Ring Ring Comments: Mui mui! Louie Louie! This comp jumped me out of my socks and dazed my boogie machine like nothing in recent times. Other attempts at acid jazz have left me ho-humming, but everything on here jumps off into your lap and forces you to move. Elements of Italo House, with capable jazz riffs, and even a smattering of breakbeat makes Astralwerks' latest release wonderful to listen to and exstatic to dance to. Summary: 9/10. Fab, fab, fab. Kudos to the seven DJs involved in creating this wonderful sound. Twitch CD 8 Twitch: TW-CD-08 1 124 05:29 DOP: Non-Stop 2 124 06:37 Harri: Skelph 3 124 05:50 Helicopter: On Ya Way 4 125 07:12 The Wildchild Experience: Jump to My Beat 5 125 05:16 Mother: All Funked Up 6 125 04:57 Daisy Glow: Sunday in the Park 7 127 06:24 Central Fire: Central Fire 8 127 06:20 Direckt: Two Fatt Guitars 9 129 07:30 Up Above The World: Unleashed in the East 10 130 06:47 Meat Beat Manifesto: Mindstream 11 132 05:53 Front 242: Religion 12 133 06:02 PG1: Jazz Energy Comments: The artwork of sticks on the cover of CD 8 possibly represents the massive collection of rhythm on the inside. Catchy tunes like "On Ya Way" with its stick-in-your-head vocal samples, and "All Funked Up" with its snippest of 70's rock make for a tasty Twitch treat. "Jump to My Beat" is almost a short beat collection in itself, but tends to fail in the structure department. Even though I'm sick to death of "Two Fatt Guitars", Twitch has done a capable remix of this, and the poopy single by Front 242. "Religion" gets a dancey boost, but still retains a bit of the original growl, which will appeal to industrial fans. I'm not too happy with the "Mindstream" remix which sounds two much like the Orbital remix with vocals mixed over the good parts. Summary: 7/10. Sticks and rhythm and boom boom boom. Good funkiness with a bit of variety for good measure. Worth the price for the "Unleashed in the East" track alone. ADSR: Obsession Cargo Records/Floorshaker: FSP 002 Side A: 1 139 Obsession Side B: 1 138 Pure Energy (Fire Mix) 2 136 Suboceana (1993 Remix) Comments: Preying upon my weakness for female vocals, ADSR goes right for the jugular in laying down their sound. All three of these tracks use a breathy sample in excellent ways, but tend to suffer from repetition. The instrumentation is done well, but the bass kick really gets boring the third time around. "Obsession" itself is a nice dark trancer, and although "Pure Energy" and "Suboceana" are based on the same sample, they fit their names well. Summary: 7/10. Skillful use of sampling, but lacking in form. Narcosis - A Journey Through the Outs and Ins of Underground Guerilla: GRCD 009 Out Disc One: 1 132 05:53 Emojonal: Silence of Water 2 135 07:05 Hole in One: Game From the Planet Onchet 3 135 07:08 DJ Hell: My Definition of House Music 4 131 08:39 Abfahrt: Come into my Life 5 127 06:14 Trance Induction: New Age Heartcore 6 136 06:09 Fix: Flash In Disc Two: 1 110 05:35 Effective Force: Diamond Bullet 2 140 06:54 Morganistic: In The Shadow 3 120 09:10 Sandoz: White Darkness 4 130 06:22 Dave Angel: Brother From Jazz 5 115 14:59 Mystic Institute: Ob-Selon Mi-Mos (Global Communications Remix) Comments: At first glance you'd think you had just purchased the latest from the Third Mind label. At first listen, you're almost sure of it. Guerilla has certainly taken a hard left turn with this compilation. Dark, but not hard, moody, but not dreary, these are works of power and force. Even though there is an obvious stain with the ultimate rip-off track, "My Definition of House Music" and Abfahrt's vocals are cheese deluxe, the rest are stunning in their timeless form. "Game From the Planet Onchet" is quirky, bleepy, with a good mix of spiraling sine waves and happy dolphins. Sandoz shines with "White Darkness", a turn of the page to classic Moog style electronics with a rare use of lyricless male vocals to make things difficult. Finally, be prepared to be run over by Mystic Institute with a spacey, high- emotion track that gives new meaning to the word "sweep". Summary: 9/10. Save for a pair of noodlers, this comp excites me to see Guerilla is out of the progressive garage and looking around the planet. Excursions in Ambience - The Second Orbit Astralwerks: ASW AV6105-2 1 120 09:55 W.F.O.: No-One in the World (Edit) 2 08:52 Schizophrenia: Schizophrenia 3 120 08:42 Locust: Prospero 4 126 12:53 Maurizio: Ploy (Battersea Was an Island of Mud Mix) 5 133 05:29 The Grid: Crystal Clear (Clear, Like an Unmuddied Lake) 6 08:34 Autocreation: Dark Smile 7 106 09:00 Megatonk: Belgium (Deep Space Filter Mix Edit) 8 95 11:20 Material: Mantra (Praying Mantra Mix Edit) Comments: The second "Excursions in Ambience" from Astralwerks takes us on a journey into the source, Wau! Mr. Modo. All the tracks on this disc are from the label or remixed by Orb. It is really nice to have the three Orb remixes of Maurizio, Grid, and Material in one place. However, I would have rather seen "Crystal Clear" absent than virtually cut in half with a fade-out. Keiichi Suzuki's "Satellite Serenade" would have been much slicker in place of the widely distributed Grid track. Megatonk's "Belgium" is the bounciest track on the disc, yet it is sadly edited with another apparent fade-out. The other two edits, W.F.O. and Material are done well, but of course, these are awefully long "edits". I especially like the W.F.O. track with its Karen Carpenter samples used in a perfect manner. The remaining three tracks by Schizophrenia, Locust, and Autocreation make for dark ambient listening. "Prospero" is the first track to remind me of the Biosphere "Microgravity" album. Summary: 8/10. Sloppy edits aside, this is a terrific compilation of Wau! Mr. Modo ambient work. Things are really looking great for Astralwerks if they keep digging up music like this for domestic release. Apollo Compilation Apollo/R&S: AMB 926 CD 1 133 08:14 Kinetic: Golden Girls (David Morley Remix) 2 117 07:26 Model 500: The Passage 3 125 08:20 David Morley: Evolution 4 04:54 Biosphere: Cloudwalker 5 115 04:51 Aphex Twin: X-Tal 6 83 10:30 Atlantis: Paradise (Part 1) 7 115 09:48 Electrotete: I Love You (Orb Remix) 8 142 07:22 David Morley: Calibration 9 112 09:27 Love Craft: Intelligent Universe 10 06:03 Neuro: Mama (Justin London Mix) Comments: Apollo seems to know just what my favorite kind of trance is. Not too hard n' fast, but not completely ambient as to fall asleep to. Stir in just the right amount of beat and rhythm and off I go. This first comp is a stellar representation of the label, starting off with the David Morley remix of Kinetic, which is done so well it is a single in its own right. David Morley's other tracks show that this guy is definitely a rising star on the scene with strong musicality and original ideas. The Model 500 track is cool, as is the brilliant Love Craft, along with the dated but strong releases from Biosphere, Aphex Twin, and Atlantis. Orb fans should note that the "I Love You" remix is notably different from the clandestine b-side of "Satellite Serenade", it is quite a bit cleaner with a stronger emphasis on the beat. Which one I favor is hard to tell, I love them both. The last remix of "Mama" by Justin London is one of the most powerful beatless tracks I've laid ears on. It has to be heard to be believed. Comments: 10/10. Really a great collection of clean, strong, trance tracks. R&S really does the compilation game well. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 09:49:17 1993 From: "John Speakman" Date: 19 Oct 93 12:52:00 EST Subject: interview Status: Hiya! I have been talking to some wacky publicist type person in LA and he says no I can't interview the Orb (boo!) but I can interview any or all of Orbital, Moby or that Aphex Twin fellow in NYC the week after. Anyone got any questions* for me to ask? *apart from ne-raves style dumb questions to Moby :) :) :) John. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 09:56:39 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 12:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: COLOUR BOX; NE DISCOUNT Status: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- C O L O U R B O X ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Every Wednesday 9pm-3am at the CASBAH Located in Philadelphia; Market and Bank Street [Between 2nd & 3rd St] 18 to Enter, 21 to Drink $8 To Enter ******************************************* * $5 with N.E. RAVES BADGE or our FLYER * ******************************************* HOUSE-TRANCE-TECHNO-HARDCORE Turntable Megalomaniacs Are: DJs Mace, Kats, Hack and Adrock LIVE VISUALS by MELON DEZIGN (Jake & Mac) LIGHTS & LASERS by SHAMROCK For More Info or directions call: 215-574-9664 or 215-731-1003 NOTE: We're looking for DJs and live acts to perform at Colour Boxes in the future. If you're interested contact me at: melon@access.netaxs.com > Brought to you by Melon Dezign and Headstrong People < From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 10:28:31 1993 From: laura@soda.berkeley.edu (Laura La Gassa) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 10:27:53 -0700 Subject: The Orb in San Francisco Status: I really wasn't anticipating the Orb show. In fact, I had gone so far as to tell Brian I'd only go if he bought my ticket . . . upon arriving at the Warfield I learned that all under 21's were going to be kicked out at 2.00 am. Not being from San Francisco, I had totally forgotten about the STUPID *local* caberet rules, and so had not bothered to bring any ID with me since I'd had no plans to drive or drink alcoholic beverages. Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the Orb show. The lights were the most amazing I have ever seen -- and (giggle) I just realized that my "custom-mixed" colors on my xterminal at work are about the same shades of green and purple used in the show! I was very pleased to note that the music was quite mixed up compared to all the album, single, and alternate versions I have heard. This is a good example of doing techno "live" in my opinion. Their set list (courtesey of Pete Ashdown) was: Plateau, OOBE, Little Fluffy Clouds, The Blue Room, Valley, Spanish Castles in Space, Star, Towers of Dub, A Huge Evergrowing (etc.), and Outland. They played for two hours total. DJ Lewis, who is travelling with the Orb, came on right after them and was GREAT. I was sitting in the balcony watching people dance like MAD to TECHNO -- that 130 bpm and higher electronic stuff -- and then one of my recent favorites (which I played to death when I was out in August) came on. I started thinking "oh my god oh my god I can't believe I'm hearing "Meltdown" at such a big party in San Francisco" and so I rushed downstairs to join in. So anyway, you all are in for a TREAT. Prepare to have your brains blasted beyond the Ultraworld. Laura From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 10:35:37 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 13:35:20 EDT Subject: Re: TNP SCOTTO/NASA POST (fwd) Status: > > dan, > you are right to say that all information is welcome, but i think you > might want to think about saying you welcome advertising. it is hard to > determine what is advertising or not as a staple of our communications > on ne-raves is re-typed flyers for events, but the net does not welcome > unsolicited(meaning not asked for) advertising. what you said might lead > people to believe they could sell things(for a profit) to ne-ravers ON > ne-raves at will. > >-revar Shades of gray (or grey :) are clouding this whole issue. When people type up flyers for commercial raves, send up tapes and CD's for sale, advertise smart drinks, I think it is legitimate content for NE-raves. Think again of the bulletin board metaphor. Most bboards you see in real life are covered with only commercial advertisements which presumably are of interest to it's readers. Can a line be drawn between providing information on commercially available products (be they raves, music or drinks) and using NE-raves as a marketplace? This looks like it is going back to the same old flameage we had over Barney and 'rave-related posts'. There is one solution -- to create a commercials only list ne-raves-ads perhaps for those who object to commercial content in their mailboxes, but I for one don't really mind it. Advertising and competition makes for an informed consumer, and i love receiving mail - junk, electronic or whatever, so i have no complaints :) O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 10:53:18 1993 From: "__cmellow__" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 13:53:06 -0400 Subject: REACTOR magazine :) Status: hey all :) i just got reactor #8.0 in the mail today (thanks todd) and WOW! imagine what i see in it! a 2 page spread called "get yourself connected". it has articles by sfrave's ccat and by nerave's julian carow. and one other guy who i don't know if he's on any of the lists, but anyways its all about the internet and explains the rave-lists and vrave, and such! it really cool! go out and get one! and if you can't get one, i can xerox the pages and i'll send it to anyone, free of charge! :) wow, massive shout outs to ccat and julian! chris "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -aldous huxley in a letter to albert hofmann From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 10:56:23 1993 From: Rob Hwang Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 13:55:26 -0400 Subject: Re: New stuff Status: Speaking of CJ Bolland stuff, has anyone heard about something called "CJ Bolland live at Universe"? What tracks are on this? Is it available on CD? Thanks, Rob rhwang@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 11:03:05 1993 From: me moussa Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: hellraver at rochester Status: anyone out there in rochester, NY. oct. 30 - hellraver. don't know much about it, just know that the info line claims 2000+ people. info line is 716 234 9626. anyone kn ow any more ? From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 11:07:18 1993 From: vkuperma@mason1.gmu.edu () Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:06:27 -0400 Subject: Attention hammerheads!! Status: If you're a hartcore kookie krazy off-the-wall 180+bpm DJ then please drop me a line... My address is vkuperma@mason1.gmu.edu p.s. Hardcore will never die! Keep the nightmarez alive.... From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 11:09:45 1993 From: vkuperma@mason1.gmu.edu () Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:09:40 -0400 Subject: A friend in search of.... Status: Technics 1200's...if anyone is selling their turntables, I have a fellow hip-hop DJ associate who is interested in buying them USED...If you do, then contact him: DJ Diamond Dave (703) 787-0326 or drop me a line vkuperma@mason1.gmu.edu Thanx, The Demented Psychotikk Diztorber, SPEED DEMON From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 12:11:21 1993 From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 18:28 GMT Subject: ORB Concert Dates? Status: I think someone before sent out some ORB concert dates and I remember seeing Denver, CO on the list. Can the same person send that out again or can someone let me know the Denver date if you have it? Thanks, Eric (4775674@MCIMAIL.com) From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 14:23:38 1993 From: Thomas C Butcher Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 17:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DC "SUNSHINE" PARTICIPANTS Status: Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 18-Oct-93 Fwd: DC "SUNSHINE" PARTICIP.. by Kenny Eng@andrew.cmu.edu > Oh yes, ravers are truly the new generation, truly the cutting edge in "alterna > tive." this point was driven home while walking around the A.U. campus today. I > noticed, littered everywhere, paper flyers advertising your little shin dig. H > mmmm, yes, very alternative. So very different then the same flyers used by the > greeks and local bars when advertising their beer blasts. Oh, and even more al > ternative, throwing handfulls of these little flyers all over the palce creatin > g quite a lovely mess, which the pissed on maintence crew gets to clean up. Ah > yes, all hail the revolution. go die. Hmm... this is clearly a positive person at heart. Heh- thanks for the laugh, kenny! Tom -the anti-stud From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 14:28:36 1993 From: vkuperma@mason1.gmu.edu () Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 17:26:56 -0400 Subject: Mixed tapes Status: If anyone is ineterested, I'm selling my HARDCORE mixed tapes as follows: Insomnia $15 (90min) Pituitary Apocalypse $15 (90min) Netherworld $10 (60min) more to come soon...BEWARE OF THE DEMON!!!! -The Psychotikk Diztorber S p e e d D e m o n From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 14:35:10 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 17:35:00 EDT Subject: pre-ORB dinner Status: Hi kids, here''s the latest head count for the orb. Those who can make it to some sort of pre-dinner gathering and a dinner also: Rishad/Fish (rquazi@csws7.ic.sunysb.edu) Regis C Phelan + 3 or 4 friends Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com Alan Parry (fluid) t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) simon@mindvox.phantom.com (simon moon) + girlfriend Jeanne Finks John Shiple (jshiple@media-lab.mit.edu?) Chris Mellow (cmellow@moose.uvm.edu) Phil Z Grant D McHerron _Mars_ Thomas C Butcher + Mike Bee Bruce Krysiak - ?? dave sklar \ sklar@minerva.cis.yale.edu - ?? Those going to the concert, but not to dinner: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Speakman brendan mcdougall + leslie + lauren + eun as it stands, dinner will be at the Burmese restaurant (directions will come soon) at 7:30 or so. everything else is a little up in the air right now, but hopefully plans for before the dinner will be resolved soon. if you can, everyone please indicate how many of you will be coming in your group, and stay tuned to this channel. peace, lovelies! O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 15:25:41 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 18:23:40 -0400 Subject: BOSTON PARTY FOR poor r*vers Status: Well, we here at SLUDJ are pleased to present: ENTROPIC PURE PREMIUM NOT from concentrate net 5000 watts Musical Marauders: DALE CHARLES SPROCKETT TAU DAG & others... This is a two part party: Entropic ! until 12:00 midnite, Entropic 2 (at another nearby location) at 12:30. Admission to En #1 grants entrance to En#2 cost = 300 shiny cents brought to you by SLUDJ and BOSTON BEAT RECORDS. Info available @ (617) 353 9804 Date: November 6, 1993 place: Back Bay, Boston ?'s: me (kumquat@acs.bu.edu) this looks to be a LOT of fun.....hope people are interested (there's nothing e else to do in Boston on a saturday night!!!!) minimal crash space IS available, and also unpaid dj spots.....mail me. sprockett From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 16:00:05 1993 From: "David A. Wolfe" Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 15:59:33 -0700 Subject: Was SCOTTO/NASA POST Status: My primary internet access is down. Serves me right for centralizing. I'm not ducking any mail or posts. Should be back up on Wed. . -woof From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 16:21:33 1993 From: JOSEPH P. BAGDONAS Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 18:20 CDT Subject: Lenny Dee quits DJing, joins forces with NASA Status: From: WIRCS1::YUSEF "JOSEPH P. BAGDONAS" 19-OCT-1993 17:50:00.20 To: IN%"mw-raves@engin.umich.edu",IN%"ne-raves@soda.berkeley.edu",YUSEF Subject: Lenny Dee no longer DJ, joins NASA! I read the following article in the New York Times this morning. Associated Press- In a shocking announcement, Lenny Dee, Brooklyn native and renowned hardcore techno artist and DJ, announced yesterday that he is ending his career as a DJ, but will collaborate with NASA on a joint venture for Industrial Strength Records. Mr. Dee cited several reasons for his decision. "First of all, there was my health to consider. As you probably know now, I suffered massive, multiple heart attacks at a Milwaukee rave in August after a raver told me I was too hard. Usually I can swear at people at the top of my lungs for hours, but that night I just lost it.Also, whenever I DJ I just can't stop myself from muching on rusty metal bits, which is really ruining my teeth." "Secondly, after Mayor Dinkins told the NYPD to kick me out of the burroughs for driving my tank in the city's streets, I holed up in the Appalachians in order to settle my furious anger toward the world. I vowed not to listen to any hardcore for awhile and just ride around on my rhinoceros listening to the peaceful sounds of nature, but it didn't work. Soon enough I found myself burrowing under railroad tracks trying to get my hardcore fix off of rumbling trains." "Lastly, I realized that terrestrial hardcore just isn't hard enough for me anymore. Even riding around in my Mack truck listening to my records through pipe conduits connected to 100 bass bins back in the trailer I'm hauling doesn't stir me anymore. So I'm looking to the heavens for new loud and fast souns." "NASA is giving me my own probe on the next shuttle to record exploding stars, asteroid collisions, and the relentless beat of pulsars. Yeah, I'm going crazy with anticipation. These sounds will raise my music to new heights of hardness. Hell, if they blow up another shuttle then I'll record that and use it! I even have my own command and control booth right under the launch pad. I also have a future goal in mind. Since hardcore is the highest achievement of man, I will teach it to the aliens so it will never die!" "To my fans, let me just say I care about your concerns. I'm a sensitive guy. I cry at night knowing I will never hear the loudest noise ever in the universe, the Big Bang. So please, don't hate me just because I'm soooo hard." One day we may be telling our kids the legend of Lenny Dee as opposed to Paul Bunyan. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 16:51:56 1993 From: DZ5401A@american.edu Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 18:41:48 EDT Subject: Sunshine2 Status: Hey everyone, First off i want to thank everyone for all in all a very fun time this weekend at Sunshine2. It didn't exactly end up as well as i thought it would. There were a lot of suprises, lots of fun, dissapointments, and overall a big learning experience. Sunshine1 which Susie (now in san fran) and i organized was a lot of fun and a really good vibe all in all. Upon coming back to school this year, i was upset with the lack of events in the dc area in general. In particular the way a lot of events around here have been busted or closed down. So why not a Sunshine2? So after posting to the lists to see if there was interest, a lot of people replied in the affirmitive and so Sunshine2 was on. The first date i hoped to have it on was October 8th, but after making pre-flyers and heading down to MusicNow and showing them to Leiven DeGeyndt, he informed me that that was the opening night of Buzz. So Sun2 was postponed to October 16th. A lot of the people who agreed they would help out said the backup date was fine. Tom and Chris said they could do lasers again, Mars, John Humphrey, Derek Tiffany, Chuck (AU), and Kreig (Mr. SparklE(now Duff)) and Ed (SLiP) said they could spin so the dj set-up looked nice.Rob said he would be willing to set-up his Virtual Environment setup again, Jennifer Smeddy said she would be willing to do the smartbar and Tina Chan offered to be candygirl again. A bunch of people from the net and here at school said they would be willing to help out, so things looked cool. Mikey who was free at the time was willing to help out organize things with me. VoiceMail was setup (I suggest VoiceMail of America. Only $10 a month, and you can record messages up to 2 minutes long.) so with preflyers made up and handed out at Flinstone back in September things were on their way. As the date got sooner new things entered the equation. The budget for the event (radio station and mine) put it somewhere around $500 to cover costs. I was able to pick-up Neuromancer to spin also, and later down the line another dj (Aires) and Enzyme (Paul). So the line-up was more than full. After awhile things got really heavy into planning and basically after a while i was organizing a lot of the different things. Sound, Dj's, Help, bureaucracy, buying items, lights, promotion, etc. and it got heavy. Max (Fierce Rulling Diva) was more than gracious in taking over doing the decorations, and about a week before Dan offered to organize all the people who were comming from off campus to organize. Mikey got a new full-time job and wasn't able to help out as much as hoped but offered invaluable help in suggestions on the lighting and other items to setup. Michael (Inhuman) was also a big help! When unsure what to do about the flyers i sent him the information via email and DieselBoy drew up some very nice Sunshine2 flyers :) Michael also offered a lot of suggestions about decorations, and was willing to spend time with me on vrave while i played ideas off of him and got loose strings or ideas i never had thought about into my mind, and helped me organize the sha-ding. (Thanks Mike!) Paul offered to bring his 1200's and mixer, which was great because the 1200's and mixer the station had on campus were not of good quality. This time for Sunshine2 i was able to borrow the Student Union's Board sound system which was free, and only had to pay for the person setting it up and tearing it down. So this time i was hoping to pull in more people to Sunshine2 then were at Sunshine1. About 2500 flyers were made up all in all and about 2300 of them were distributed in the week or so before Sunshine2, especially at the Buzz opening and around D.C. and somewhat around the campus and then at Buzz the night before. Im not the most organized of persons, and as Sunshine2 approached it appeared more and more as if there would be holes in the planning that would become glaringly clear the night of the actual event. It just felt like not everything i was hoping to do was not going over right. It took me a while to get a lot of small things taken care of, such as getting out flyers to people who requested them over voice mail, or to some of the dj's or to jenn or whoever. It took a lot longer to get the checks for decorations for Max. Originally we should've had them a week ahead of time, but it kept getting delayed and eventually Max had to get the decorations done The night and the day of the event. But finally as last weekend approached things looked like they were comming together. The dj lineup looked really good. The sound good, everyone was being able to come and no one had to cancel out at the last moment. The only thing i was rather not sure about was the lighting. I got a lighting rack for the weekend, and thought it would be a nice supplement to just the strobes, and the police siren. So anyways Saturday the 16th finally came, and things were looking good. Got up around 1 and around 1:30 Max dropped by to begin work on the decorations. Later on Shelly came by and helped Max out with the decorations. Brotherman Kreig, who had come down the night before, helped move the radio station's equipment and be there at four when we opened the Gianni lounge and start moving up equipment. Whoever had used the room before had left all the chairs out Kreig and i began stacking up all the chairs. Soon Michael and Scott Borst had dropped by and helped with stacking up all the tables. The Gianni lounge has an outside patio which would offer an chill-out space. It was partitioned off so that a good two thirds of the patio was not accessable, but a few people moved one of the blocks and there was a pathway out there. We set up the radio station system there and Also was planning on having the laser setup out there also. Later we put up a whole bunch of tables and such at which people could chillout on. All the time more and more people were coming in and helping with the setup. Dick, Paul, and a few other people helped the soundguy, Bjorn, move up the sound system from its holding pen and had it set up. Max came over with his decorations and was soon placing them up all over the place. Chris came and set up his lasers. The night sky looked cloudy and moist, but not exactly threatening of rain. We were running out of extention cords and Scott, Michael, and I made a run to Hechinger's and picked up some. Upon bringint them back, however, i learned they were not grounded ones, and at first they caused some problems with everyone getting the power they needed. Twice we shorted something outside putting a laser, blender, and the outside sound system into one outlet, but everything was changed around and it worked fine. Another problem encountered was that i thought my roomate would let me use his computer for a vrave terminal, but there was a miscommunication and he didn't want that, so in a scramble for a terminal posted to the list. Thankfully Peter and Rob were able to 'borrow' a VT100 terminal from work and a modem and hook it up so VRave access was granted!! :) Rob C. had only a small problem hooking up his Virtual Environment system, and was able to head back home and get the necessary wires. Another problem was the dj line-up was not to solid, cause John missed a ride up from North Carolina and had to get another one. Chuck didnt spin cause he had no new records. And basically the dj line-up seemed a little chaotic to work through and was one thing i really felt was disorganized. The soundsystem inside, once it got running worked smoothly, and we were able to start the event on time and people started to file in. We had the outside system setup a short time later, and with the laser display overhead it looked really cool. I knew that the sound outside would not be able to go all night, and in fact the system outside was a last minute decision. So i was thinking would be able to go on till around 2 a.m., and was willing to push it a bit and see what happened. Soon people the place inside and out filled up but never to an incredibly packed rate, but a decent size overall. Personally i was hoping for more people but throughout the night about 150 people showed up. Another problem that occured was that around 3 a new afterhours was opening up and a good portion of the crowd left for that to see the spinning of Josh Wink and Scott Henry. So around three it thinned out. I was kind-of unsure how people would take it, the not so packed space, but it didnt seem to really bother anyone. The only really bad part of the night when about ten people showed up, not ravers, nor didn't look from campus, came in for five minutes, and then wanted their money back. Rick, the guy who did an excellent job at the door, told me about them and i went to talk with them and asked them why they wanted their money back. One of the guys said, "Look man, we heard this thing is happining, but face it its lame. you know it. We wan't are money back." It wasn't worth anything for their bad vibes so there money was given back and happily for me they left. So from around three till about eight the place really chilled out and it was really fun.There were maybe 50-60 people left, and at the end around 30. The dj's sets were really good! Paul started it on and then Ed took over afterwards. During Paul's and then Ed's sets one of the tables developed a chronic skipping problem, but after putting some towels under it it stopped doing so. Right at the end of Ed's set he had a whole mess of people dancing and Neuromancer was comming on. Mikey and I noticed a buzz in the soundsystem, and one of the grounds of the turntables had come loose. Mikey flipped the mixer over to reattach the ground, but by mistake pulled out the power cord which had been taped down, so the music went kaput, as did the growing vibe at that point :I so he quickly fixed the ground and the music started again. Neuromancer had a really fun set from some funky trancy stuff to hardcore, and it was cool. After Neuromancer was Mars, and Aris, and Duff, then Rainbow and Derek finished out the night. All the sets were really good and nice. Hopefully i will be able to pull together tapes from derek, kreig, and neuromancer, and got a mix tape from aris which would be cool mix, and some sort of Sunshine2 tapes :) but the music went on until around 8:20 inside. We had the system turned down outside around 2 after some noise complaints. Mikey went home and grabbed his Numark mixer and brought it outside so it was easier to mix there. So after two the music was turned way down and kept that going till about six outside when there was at one point a light drizzle and didn't want to risk it anymore. I really liked the outside setup a lot, but i think one bad thing was that it split the crowd and not as many people would be inside as would have been. I thought the lasers over the dj's head was a cool thing. Special kudo's to Tom and Chris for all the work they did with the lasers. When the light came up it was a cloudy morning, no sunrise but it still looked kind-of funky. We cleaned up and took things down and Derek ended the night off with "That's What Friends Are For" which was cool :~) Special kudos go to Dan and Kreig for all the help with taking things down. Thanks you dan for getting that mop and mopping away all the foot prints that were over the roof on the patio, and everyone else for help tearing the place down. It reminded me of a certain city. A cool sight at the end was a markerboard in the room which Jason has wrote in phunky letters: Sunshine2. Everyone scribbed little messages and such on the board and it was really cool. My favorite one was a little message there saying, "Thanks it was a good party" which was really cool after the lame scenario i faced earlier in the night. So after tearing down the system, John and and Mikey, and Kreig and a bunch of us waited around till breakfast was served in the school cafeteria and had a cool meal. John, i didn't know that would be the last time id see you all! hope the ride back was o.k. So there were some points during the night when i was really worried things were not going well, but it seemed all in all that Sunshine2 turned out o.k. we were able to cover expenses and the station should be getting $100 to buy new techno cd's and 12"s :) My wish list for a few things that i wish would've happened: People: The crowd was really friendly. I wish more people from school itself would've come. About 150 people in all came. Id say around 80-90 from off campus and not the net. Thats about expected considering what Michael told me about for every 20 flyers you hand out 1 person will come. If 100 more people from campus had come it would've been really cool. Sound: Can't really complain. Wish a little lounder inside and a smidget more bass :) Lights: I realized they lights probably were the lamest thing there. On Sunday night i set up the lights in my floor lounge + the strobes and such and it was really cool when i shut off the rack lights and just let the strobes go for awhile. It was a really cool effect. Guess ya learn. Organization: After this one, i really don't ever want to do an event like this again. Sun1 was cool in that Susie and I split a lot of the duties. It was just a lot of work for me organizing Sun2. I really would like to help in doing some events again, especially a renegade ;) But i think it's really obvious from Sun1 and Sun2 that there are a lot of people who are on the dcraves and the net who can and are able to throw an event. Personally i feel like net people are really into the scene cause we believe in it and not just to solely rake money from people. Id really like to see dcraves throw more events in the future!! (Peter and Rob?) Neuromancer, a dj there was like "I can get you Scott Henry" and we should throw a Sunshine every two months, but i really have a lot of other things that right now i've got to do and think about. Because of time and limits i wasn't able to make up flyers about dcraves and what it stands for or about M.G.P. either and that would've been fun. There were some little things that i wish i couldve done with more time. Oh well :I Thanks for everyone who attended and who helped out at the event!!! It was really really special :) peace, doug ))))) remember, love follows the rave ((((( dz5401a@american.edu From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 17:50:25 1993 From: JSINCLAI@ccmail.sunysb.edu Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 20:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: initial contact, please send data. Status: What's up ? A buddy of mine, AI3264@albnyvms.bitnet, told be to give you guys a buzz to receive some info about what's goin' on, please do. SUB DISCUSS peace. John Sinclair From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 18:20:24 1993 From: snovik@students.wisc.edu (SVETLANA NOVIK) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 20:21:43 -0500 Subject: Searching for Lifeforms in the Midwest Status: Hey! Any midwestern ravers out there? All I keep hearing about is the eastcoast, which is cool and all, but not somewhere I get a chance to go up to that often! I end up going to a lot of stuff in Madison, Milwaukee, and Chicago. Was anyone at Biofunk or Jubilation? Anyone going to the Halloween rave in Milwaukee (hopefully it won't be Rave in the Grave Part II. For those who don't know, it got busted and the cops arrested about 1,200 people. Cool, huh?) Anyways, write me at snovik@students.wisc.edu if you have any input on the scene or just feel like babbling. Love, Peace, and Popsicle sticks-- Svet. Svetlana From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 18:43:03 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 21:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 10/19/93) Status: =============================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR =============================================================================== I got a lot of compliments on the new rave summary at the beginning of the ROM. Unfortunately, I'm not nearly that creative; all the credit goes to Hossam (sphinx on vrave) who badgered me incessantly until I finally did it. :) So thank him. Hope you all have fun at the Orb this weekend! I wish I could go, but Casper should somewhat make up for it. For those of you going to Casper, Mark (Machine Media) is graciously hosting a pre-dinner. Email him for more details (sorry I can't remember his wacky MCImail address). Oh also, FiSH (Rishad) is organizing a pre-dinner for those going to the Orb this weekend. Mail him for more details (again sorry no address). -inhuman _______________________________________________________________________________ KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club Please send all corrections and submissions to inhuman+@cmu.edu or my old address is fine, too. Also send any NY / NJ area rave info to laura@usl.com so she can share it with the Technopolis list. **PLEASE NOTE: If you reply to this message, BE SURE to edit the headers so that you reply ONLY to me and not to all the groups that I am sending this out to! This is VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT! VRAVE Instructions: telnet sfraves.stanford.edu 7283, login as "new" _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES SUMMARY: 10/20/93 - COLOUR BOX * - Philadelphia, PA - (215) 574 - 9664 10/22/93 - SMOOTH @ - Long Island, NY - (516) 242 - 1773 10/22/93 - BUZZ (Adam X & John) * - Washington, DC - (202) 828 - 1944 10/23/93 - THE JOURNEY - New York City, NY - (212) 465 - 2583 10/29/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Washington, DC - (202) 828 - 1944 10/30/93 - HELLRAVER - Rochester, NY - (716) 234 - 9626 10/30/93 - MASKARAVE 2 @ - New York City, NY - (212) 330 - 8233 10/30/93 - CASPER - Providence, RI - (401) 454 - 6028 10/30/93 - ALGORITHM 2 - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 8432 10/31/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Philadelphia, PA - (???) ??? - ???? 11/05/93 - TIME WARP @ - Allentown, PA - (215) 433 - 0503 11/13/93 - GRIN: THE SECOND COMING - Portland, ME - (207) 773 - 6979 11/13/93 - LITTLE GOOD VIBE - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 1891 11/27/93 - ESSENCE IV - Manhattan, NY - (???) ??? - ???? 12/04/93 - ALGORITHM 3 - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 8432 01/13/94 - GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGH- ??? - (???) ??? - ???? _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES IN DETAIL: _______________________________________________________________________________ Wednesday, October 20 PHILADELPHIA (215) 574 - 9664 continuing every Wednesday COLOUR BOX * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- C O L O U R B O X ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Every Wednesday 9pm-3am at the CASBAH Located in Philadelphia; Market and Bank Street [Between 2nd & 3rd St] 18 to Enter, 21 to Drink $8 To Enter ******************************************* * $5 with N.E. RAVES BADGE or our FLYER * ******************************************* HOUSE-TRANCE-TECHNO-HARDCORE Turntable Megalomaniacs Are: DJs Mace, Kats, Hack and Adrock LIVE VISUALS by MELON DEZIGN (Jake & Mac) LIGHTS & LASERS by SHAMROCK For More Info or directions call: 215-574-9664 or 215-731-1003 NOTE: We're looking for DJs and live acts to perform at Colour Boxes in the future. If you're interested contact me at: melon@access.netaxs.com > Brought to you by Melon Dezign and Headstrong People < _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 22 LONG ISLAND (516) 242 - 1773 SMOOTH - THE CAFFEINE GROOVE @ Friday, October 22nd, 1993. 10 PM til ? Micro * Dave Trance * Joeski * Omar * Sameer * Osheen * That Kid Chris* Who * Ride * DNA Live Performance: The Atomic Babies Free BBQ at 7 AM $2 off w/pass Promo: Kort & Greg, Energizer Rabbit, Jeff H, Slip Shod Rob, Eddie Van Raven, Trepp, Mello Mello, Alan Sanktuary, Scooter, Atom, Apple Jack, Dusten, Fred Strong, Toast & Rad Brad Free shuttle bus to Caffeine: 832 Grand Blvd, DIx Hills, NY LIE: Exit 52 South (Commack Rd) to Grand Blvd (corner 7-11) make left, 1/2 mile on right. SS PKWY: Exit 39 North (Rt. 231) to Commack Rd. 1 mile make right onto Grand Blvd (corner 7-11), 1/2 mile on right. BY TRAIN: NY Penn Station Ronkonkoma Branch to Deer Park, leaving at 9:14, 10:14. Returning at 1:23 and 3:23. INFO LINES: LI: (516) 242-1773, (516) 547-6129, (516) 547-7118 NYC: (212) 696-8938 CONN: (203) 454-6643 PENN: (215) 852-1076 NJ: (201) 927-2292 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 22 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 828 - 1944 BUZZ * Guest DJs: Adam X, John Aquaviva _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 23 NEW YORK CITY (212) 465 - 2583 THE JOURNEY (212) 226 - 0657 Part 1: Mr. Kleen / DJ Dr. Alex Patterson / Adam X / DJ Lewis The Orb introducing the POWER SURGE 4 A.M. - 5 A.M. PSYCHO-KENETIC GALLERY Battle of the Outlet by Spike Millevolte Micro vs. Repeat and in the basement, the phunky groove of GIANT STEP OMNI-SENSORAL APPEARANCE Superstar DJ Jazzy Nice by lalalandia DJ Chill Freeze and the Live! Giant Step Crew Part 2: 6 AM - Noon, $6 w/ Orb ticket stub Joeski - Dmitri - Soulslinger - Reese - Kamins Guy DMC - Alex Paterson - DJ Lewis Tickets: $16.50 plus Ticketron rip-off fees Location: Roseland (huge club/ballroom) in Manhattan For bus or other info call (212) 966-4033. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 29 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 828 - 1944 NASA TOUR 93 @ @ Buzz Moby / Aphex Twin / Orbital along with: Robbie Hardkiss (SF), Dante (soon-to-be SF) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 ROCHESTER, NY (716) 234 - 9626 HELLRAVER from : anyone out there in rochester, NY. oct. 30 - hellraver. don't know much about it, just know that the info line claims 2000+ people. info line is 716 234 9626. anyone kn ow any more ? _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 NEW YORK CITY (212) 330 - 8233 MASKARAVE 2 @ NASA's Maskarave 2 Moby / Aphex Twin / Orbital Sven Vath / Vapourspace / more more more Infoline: 212-330-8233 The Event of the Millenium! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PROVIDENCE, RI (401) 454 - 6028 CASPER feelgood entertainment and balu present A S P E halloween C R fullmoon '93 -----coast-to-coast----- 6 p.m. Sat - 8 a.m. Sun EXPLORE CASPERS KINGDOM OF ENDLESS ATTRACTIONS a line up of 30 of the worlds top dj's will guide your journey through the ultimate dance fantasty world 333 (London) M Gee (London) ...Called Bliss(Toronto) Mayhem (Boston) Armand (Boston) Mouse (Boston) Bob Bentley (London) Nigel (Philly) Dale Charles (San Diego) Noah (Rhode Is.) Dante (Queens) ON-E (Manhattan) Debo (Boston) Onionz (Long Island) DJ Sun (Baltimore) Osheen (3 1200s) (Rhode Is.) DieselBoy [!!] (Pittsburgh) Overload (Portland) Dutch (San Fran.) Rio (Manhattan) Entity (Baltimore) Ryde (Long Island) Guy D.M.C. (Manhattan) Scott Henry (Baltimore) James Christian(Long Island) Scott Richmond (New York) Joesky (Manhattan) Tiga (Montreal) Liquid (San Fran) Tim Ryan (Boston) *EXPERIENCE VIRTUAL 3-D* THREE THUNDERING ARENAS A TECHNICAL MIRACLE OF ELECTRIFYING ACOUSTICS live satellite simulcast TECHNOLOGICAL BRILLIANCE from san francisco's AND BREATHTAKING MOTION CASPER RAVE! dance with the s.f. family THE CRYPT in 3-D! witness DJ's a massive chamber resonating simulspinning live on with the wicked vibrations 4 turntables - of deep house, trance, and 2 on each coast! tribal. release your inner- west coast casper DJ's: most mind and body to the carlos, jon bishop, rick spirits of the dance. preston, cristophe, curb, and ghost THE MAUSOLEUM a chaotic underworld necropolis ALL RIDES WILL BE FREE FROM where you are submerged in a 6PM SAT UNTIL 8AM SUNDAY: frenzy of hardcore techno, break hude arcade, boo's bumper cars, beat, and progressive house tilt-a-whirl, spooky's sky tram, all night long!!! gravitron, sky diver, auto jets, octopus, freefall, loop-d-loop, THE OSCILLATOR cyclone, merry-go-round, ferris a spinning dance floor oscillates wheel, and a giant midway packed the gyrations of musical full of food and games! expression into motion - you'll be back! Venture through CASPER'S HAUNTED HOUSE - Ride the spooky TRAIN OF SANCTUARY DOOM into the ENCHANTED FOREST relax and chill out in ambient where Magick is real and anything cynderdomes as spiritual can happen !!! aperitions [sic] float around you. free toys, candy, and other surprises mind altering laser performance for all the WITCHES, WARLOCKS, by PAWN GHOSTS, & GOBLINS! visual projections by costume contest with prizes at 13 o'clock MELON DESIGN [!!] & HOME PLANET free camping in CAMP FEEL GOOD Talaria Vidio Productions After party til 3 PM with live 100 BILLION BLINKING LIGHTS performance by "GRACE" 30 ZILLION WATTS OF POWER 40,000 DANCING EYEBALLS acres of free parking free oxygen PaNdAmoNiUm tEcHno MeSmeRisM future visions and altered a portion of the procedes from this realities controlled live by EBN event will support the national homeless smart bars by LIQUID FUSION alliance. feel good entertainment and the rave scene care about our community! 24 HOUR INFO-LINES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 401-454-6028 Feelgood 215-922-3405 Horizon Group 603-437-7795 Nikki B. 212-886-5448 Paul Paul 514-854-6446 DNA Rave Line 404-250-8230 Chamber of Dreams 617-541-4258 Primary 212-631-1065 Fred Strong 516-547-7118 Cort & Greg 207-773-6979 KC & the Sunrise Gang 212-631-4290 Mello 215-552-8833 Slurp! 201-295-1925 E:Force 914-463-9350 Up North - Acme Hotline NO-WAIT ADVANCE TICKET SALES TRANSPORTATION INFO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Providence: Luna Sea 401-272-5862 Montreal: DNA Raveline 514-854-6446 Fast Forward 401-272-8866 Portland: KC & Sunrise 207-773-6979 Home Planet 401-751-5695 NY/NJ/DC: E-Force 201-295-1925 N. Providence: Lukes 401-354-5853 Balt/DC: Deanna 202-452-7639 Pawt: Lukes 401-725-7156 Conn: Warped Info Line 203-454-6643 Warwick: Rocky Point 401-737-8000 NH/VT: Nikki B 603-437-7795 Boston: Allston Beat 617-421-9555 Toronto: Nav/Chemistry 416-567-8894 Boston Beat 617-561-4790 Boston: Janina 617-352-6071 Balt.: Modern Music 410-523-1882 Baltimore: Ultraworld 410-522-6933 DC: Music Now 202-638-3272 Albany: Big Dipper 518-465-6381 Atlanta: Q:Burn/Paragon 404-222-8410 Atlanta: Grass Roots 803-720-8049 Portland: Bad Habits 207-773-1310 Philly: Horizon Group 215-922-3405 Pittsburgh: Slacker 412-381-3911 Slurp 215-502-2226 Philly: 611 Records 215-413-9100 New York: Vinylmania 212-924-7223 RESERVE YOUR SPOT EARLY - Disk-o-Rama 212-206-8417 CALL FOR AVAILABILITY - New Brunswick: Planet X 908-249-0304 CALL 401-454-6028 FOR UP TO THE Toronto: X-tatic 416-599-8551 MINUTE ADDITIONS TICKETS - $22 Advance / $25 Night Of Event this event is guaranteed to be a sell-out [riiiight]. buy tickets in advance to avoid long line and disappointment! presale ticket deadline is wednesday oct. 27th. DIRECTIONS: From North take I-95 South to Exit 14: Warwick. Take Post Rd to Post Rd South. After 3 traffic lights turn left on Airport Rd. Follow signs to Rocky Point Park. From South take I-95 North to Exit 10: East to 117 East. Follow signs to Rocky Point Park. Rocky Point Park is located in a reisdential neighborhood -- please no loud music or loitering on your way in! Arrive alive: buckle up and don't drink and drive! Do not litter - eat this flyer! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 2 Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength) + live PA by 1.8.7. (ne-raver!) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, October 31 PHILADELPHA (???) ??? - ???? NASA TOUR 1993 @ Trocadero, 10th&Arch, Philadelphia HALLOWEEN, OCT 31 : 9pm The NASA tour 1993 M O B Y ORBITAL & THE APHEX TWIN _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 ALLENTOWN, PA (215) 433 - 0503 TIME WARP @ It's official folks, so here it is... UNITY PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS... T I M E W A R P Out of the Stone Age into the Future Friday, November 5, 1993 in celebration of THE FREIGHT YARD's 13 month anniversary Laura(New Jersey/NE-Raves) Goodwill(Delaware) Ikon(Freight Yard-Allentown) geoffE(Freight Yard-Allentown/NE-Raves) Mark M(Allentown) Miko(Freight Yard) dieselboy(Pittsburgh/NE-Raves) WINK(Philly) Guy DMC(Londontown) Trace(Londontown) On-E(NASA, New York) 2 rooms - Room 1=Hardcore, Jungle, Acid/Room 2=House,Progressive, Trance Giveaways by: Instinct Records - New York Moonshine Music - Los Angeles Lucky Spin Records - London Sorted/Nervous Records - New York DMC - New York/London Smart Bar by DNA - Intelligent Lighting - Lasers by Pawn FOR INFO. CALL 215.433.0503 DOORS OPEN 9:45p.m. MUSIC from 10pm - 7am All tickets at the door $10 before 11p.m./$15 after 11p.m. geoffE ---The Freight Yard 3rd and Hamilton St. Allentown, PA--- _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PORTLAND, ME (207) 773 - 6979 GRIN - THE 2ND COMING KC & the sunrise gang & pandemonium! bring you... GRIN The 2nd Coming Satruday November 13th 10pm til sunrise and beyond Portland, Maine smile to the Future Beat Enormous Warehouse Location Multi Mega-Watt Sound System 20 Watt Multi Color Laser Systems Intelliget Lighting, Robo Scans Tiger Scans & Data Flash Video Walls & Projections Film Loops & Slides _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 1891 LITTLE GOOD VIBE November 13th in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania is Little Good Vibe. featuring everything from house, to deep house, to acid. dj list to follow. Info line 412.734.1891. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 27 MANHATTAN (???) ??? - ???? ESSENCE IV: THE REBIRTH Guest DJs: Garth & Richie Hawtin _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, December 4 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 3 Adam X & Lenny McBride (Groove Records, Under One Sky, NYC) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ Thursday, January 13 USA (???) ??? - ???? through Sunday, January 16 GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGHTS Galactic Overlord Productions & Base Pair Sound System Bring you A Boschian excursion of Worldly and Celestial pleasures THE GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGHTS JAN 13-16, 1994 more info to come.... _______________________________________________________________________________ [and this tidbit from Mars (mhv0@Lehigh.EDU):] For 24-hour, up-to-date rave info, you can now call the ZooM LinE at: (215) 998 - 9650 (Allentown/Philly) (800) 374 - 4434 x20051 (Beyond) [are these numbers still up to date...? -email me] _______________________________________________________________________________ ***EOF*** --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 18:57:14 1993 From: Poltergeist In My Net Connection Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 21:52:56 -0400 (EST) Subject: Re: pre-ORB dinner Status: I just spoke to Myra, of Ticketmaster, who assured me I have "one of our BEST general admission tickets." So I'm in for everything, dinner, the show, you name it. I'm very psyched...... Now if I can just wrangle the right metro north trains..... .........1.11.21.1211.111221.312211.13112221.1113213211.31131211131221......... dave sklar \ sklar@minerva.cis.yale.edu \ "i just grin as i walk" - bboys From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 19:44:42 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 22:44:33 EDT Subject: double-mailings Status: hey is anyone else getting double mailings? i suspect it is only from people who are still mailing to the gnu.ai.mit.edu address. everyone please check your ne-raves address and change it to ne-raves@techno.stanford.edu (corrections accepted) the fish thanks you, O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 20:03:29 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 23:01:02 EDT Subject: test Status: i was still mailing to gnu.ai.mit.edu... i've just switched to techno. >>t. ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 20:06:03 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 22:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Nigel Richard's Correction Status: Hi there! [this is Nigel here using Jake's account] F.Y.I. The Horizon Group's Info Line for Philly buses is listed improperly in the Casper flier/rave-o-matic The proper phone number is (215)2924-666 or people can get direct info from a real human being at 611 records...(215)413-9100! thanks. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 21:09:37 1993 From: LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 00:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: orb pre gathering Status: hey...an unexpected windfall just happened to me in the form of a free orb ticket..since i will now be coming up on the 23rd, i would like to be included in your little gathering. please send me info! -jason/method one "scene but not herd" From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 19 22:10:16 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 01:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Lenny Dee quits DJing, joins forces with NASA Status: ...........And on a related note... The Millenium Press office is now reporting Lenny D will be spinning the hardest galactic hardcore at Algorythmn 2/Holloween in Pittsburgh, PA. And also another mind-crushing-heart-stopping live performance by 1.8.7 For more info on this called the Millenium voice-mail at (412)734-5549 or the Lizard's Groove voice mail at (412)734-8432. From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 06:01:12 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 08:56:56 EDT Subject: preORB Status: rishad informs me that 20-25 people will be attending the orb from ne-raves... unfortunately that's FAR too much to have here.. i was thinking.. like 10 peole here...if those people who REALLY want to come here (to my place) can email me.. i can get a better idea of what's going on.. rishad also suggested a picnic.. but, i won't be able to organize that eithe.. i'll be tied up in an interview most of the day.. so, i guess if 10 or so people can decide they want to come here.. that's great..! we'll keep thinking of ideas... peace >.taylor ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 09:30:06 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 12:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Waahhhhh!! Status: Help a poor withered soul. I am looking for a ride to NYC this weekend, for da Orb show. Will gladly pay my share of gas/tolls etc. beg beg beg beg beg grovel grovel grovel forever underneath you all.. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ _ /,_) \ \ (_ ) ) ( ) _( (/ \\ ( (_ (_) ( (_( \) brit@ravel.udel.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 09:46:26 1993 From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 12:38:49 EDT Subject: saturday the 23rd Status: i cant go the the orb, but jane and i may attend dinner. if anybody is interested, we are going to a VR exibit at the Guggenhiem soho during the day saturday....ten artistic vr worlds. lemme know if you wanna come with us... the more the merrier revar@phantom.com From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 11:43:14 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 14:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Status: workers: well i am still in need for help this saturday in virginia at insomnia...anyone interested? You will be payed... ride: also i still need a ride there either to dc or virginia this weekend. I am in the pa, new jersey area....any one going? I have gas money and can offer a free ticket in to insomnia and a club here in my area for friday night.... thanks again jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 13:51:59 1993 From: Speed Racer Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 16:43:19 EDT Subject: littering ravers Status: hi gang! i was thinking in the shower one morning, maybe it was yesterday, and i was thinking about the "rules for ravers" flyer and i came up with a couple of ideas: first of all, make it simple, such as: Rules for ravers- 1. ravers don't litter 2. ravers are friendly 3. blah blah bla.... i think you get the picture.... anyway, but instead of making it a flyer, make it a STICKER. or even a badge. (a simple badge or sticker would be super cheap to make). People love stickers (i know i do!) and they'll read them, put them on themselves or other people or on their bags or whatever....hopefully they'll heed the rule and they'll put the sticker's backing in their pocket or in the trash. and maybe if we're lucky, they'll actually consider the rules on the sticker. just a thought... Speed Racer aka Joe btw...speaking of badges...the vrave badge will be up and running again very very soon...i meant to do it this past weekend but i had too much work. I am also looking into making vrave stickers, possibly of different desgn than the vrave badge, and a different sticker too.... From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 14:10:02 1993 From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 17:06:22 EDT Subject: vr exibit Status: i tried to get the price, but the lines are busy. i will probably go there around two or three, they are open til 6. more info to come..... revar@phantom.com From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 14:17:47 1993 From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 17:11:40 EDT Subject: vr exibit....more info Status: hi i just got off the phone with the musuem. its $5 to get in. when you buy your ticket you pick the world you want to visit and you are then scheduled for a time(maybe as long as 3hrs away) so im getting there at noon! so if you want meet me outside of the guggenhiem soho (corner of prince and broadway) at noon on saturday. I will then check outside on the hour (1,2,3,etc) looking for ne-ravers. revar@phantom.com From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 15:47:14 1993 From: Bob Ramstad Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 15:46:39 PDT Subject: SF mixed rave tapes & CDs available Status: Send email to 'rave-tapes%groovy@us.oracle.com' if you are interested in receiving information concerning and prices for cassettes and CDs of music from 'raves' recorded live in the Bay area... (and apologies for the semi-commercial nature of this message) Bob From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 16:15:21 1993 From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 19:12:04 EDT Subject: more on vr thing Status: VIRTUAL REALITY: AN EMERGING MEDIUM GUGGENHEIM MUSEUM SOHO SATURDAY, OCT. 23 -- MONDAY, NOVEMBER 1 What: ==== The Guggenheim Museum SoHo, in collaboration with the Intel Corporation, is presenting the first virtual reality exhibit offered by an American art museum. The presentation highlights the potential for VR when applied to art, music,education and business. Many of the virtual worlds in the presentation are on exhibit for the first time. The Worlds & Artists: -------------------- Piece: Untitled (July 93) ========================= Description: Based on the book "The Lost Ones" by Samuel Beckett.Floating cubes with faces, wander a toroid (dougnut-shaped) world and either run-away or aggressively approach the viewer when you get close to them. If they are aggressive, they will speak to you when they get up close. Many of the faces undergo transformations as you watch them. The cubes wander endlessly about, randomly heading in different directions and bouncing off the toroid's surface. Conceived and created by: Jenny Holzer Lead programmers: Kenneth Pimentel, Sense8 Corporation Pat Gelband, Sense8 Corporation Piece: Untitled (October 93) ============================ Description: The viewer enters a limitless landscape with textured skies and landscape. They eventually come upon a small village of cube-shaped houses. Each house is a different color and has an open door. If they enter the room, they hear a voice circle around them and talk to them. Some of the houses are inhabited by victims of rape, some by the perpetrators and some by observers of rape. Each time you exit the house, a new sky and landscape is randomly chosen. Conceived and created by: Jenny Holzer Lead programmers: Jeffry Donovan, InWorld VR Inc/Sense8 Corporation Piece: Virtual String Quartet ============================= Description: By tickling virtual representations of the membver of a string quartet, viewers prompt them to improvise unconventional solos. The real arm movemen of the musicans has been accurately mapped and is synthcronized with the music. Each musican also has alternate, hidden personalities, which can be released by the user. Conceived and created by: Thomas Dolby with Eric Gullischen Lead programmers: Eric Gullischen Piece: The Networked Virtual Art Museum: Temple of Horus ======================================================== Description: A virtual ancient egyptian temple with software agents as talking statues and animated murals which tell the story of the temple. Highly interactive, this new learning application puts history and art and architecture into their correct context while users learn via discovery. It also poses a challenge to museums -- when art is on the network, what good is a museum? Conceived and created by: The Studio for Creative Inquiry at Carnegie Mellon Univeristy by Carl Loeffler, Lynn Holden Lead programmers: many others contributed time to this project Piece: The Metaphor Mixer ========================= Viewers can fly through a virtual stock portfolio that illustrates a variety of investment information and interact with a software agent that will help them make an analysis. With real-time data feeds, this is a true cyberspace experience. Conceived and created by: Paul Marshall,Maxus Systems International Lead programmers: Glenn Davis, Sense8 Kenneth Pimentel, Sense8 All the worlds will be running on Pentium-processor based PCs and were built using WorldToolKit from Sense8 (except the Dolby piece). All the systems will have HMDs, head-tracking, 3D sound, etc. We will be using the following equipment: Gravis UltraSound, Crystal River Engineering Convolvotron and Beachtron, Polhemus FASTRAK and ISOTRAK II, Virtual Research EyeGen3, Virtual I/O MD, SPEA Fire board, Kraft Thunderstick joystick, and misc hw. All these applications and this exhibit were developed in collaboration with the Intel Digital Education and Arts (IDEA) program. The purpose of the program is to inspire new users of personal computers by putting the technology into the hands of artists and educators. Where: ===== Guggenheim Museum SoHo, 575 Broadway (at Prince Street), New York. When: ==== Sun, Mond,Wed. 11-6 Thur -- Sat. 11-8. Closed Tuesday. Special Panel Discussion: ======================== Art after Virtual Reality Wednesday Night 6-10. Tickets available in advance. 212-423-3840. *** *** ** ** *** *** revar@phantom.com *** ** *** *** *** REVAR DESIGN AND CONSULTING * * *** * * * * * finger for public pgp 2.2 key From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 17:32:14 1993 From: Peter Johansson Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 19:20:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Sunshine2 Status: ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Doug Zimmerman writes: > [ ... ] I think it's really obvious from Sun1 and Sun2 that there are a > lot of people who are on the dcraves and the net who can and are able > to throw an event. Personally i feel like net people are really into the > scene cause we believe in it and not just to solely rake money from people. > Id really like to see dcraves throw more events in the future!! > (Peter and Rob?) Neuromancer, a dj there was like "I can get you Scott > Henry" and we should throw a Sunshine every two months, but i really have > a lot of other things that right now i've got to do and think about. Yes, yes, I'm still thinking about it. With that little quote, Doug, you've finally gotten me to actually make a public announcement... I've been following DCRAVES since last fall and went to several events during January and February but for many reasons never got out again 'till just recently. Every time the reviews came in, especially from the microraves, I got sooo bummed because I didn't go. Sometime over the summer I got to thinking. Hmmm, maybe I could do something like this. I have some of the connections, and with a little bit of help, I just might be able to pull it off. Let me explain... I am the president of a student group here at UMBC, so I can get access to space on campus as well as discounts on the rental of campus equipment. The Student Union Ballroom is virtually a "dressed up" wharehouse. Black tile floor, carpeted by the walls, black walls, and black mirror ceiling. Adjunct to this room is "conference room" that overlooks campus and has patio access. There are plenty of couches and sofas outside both rooms. There is no housing anywhere near this building, so noise will not be a problem. I have talked with head of campus police (a state trooper) and there is no problem with keeping the building open all night. The UMBC campus is located basically at the intersection of I-95 and 695 (the Baltimore beltway) -- at most 45 minutes from anywhere in Baltimore and 90 minutes from anywhere in DC. (It took me 40 minutes to get from UMBC to AU) Even though I'm sure we can draw from Phili and Ch-ville too, the biggest problem will be FILLING the space. A friend of mine has a good supply of lighting and sound equipment. (Remember the Baltimore Photon? He has it's equipment.) We can get a projection video display for japananimation/ren & stimpy, whatever... The building is wired for ethernet, and we can get a terminal annex to set up as many as 12 v-rave terminals. We can probably get one set of turntables and a mixing board (of unknown quality) from the campus radio station. We would need another set, though. The only things needed for an awesome party are DJs and People. If we can get a decent line-up of DJs, I'm pretty sure we can get People to come. The BIG problem is that I don't know any DJs, other than those I met briefly at Sunshine 2. I don't expect much of a turnout from the UMBC community. :-( So, what do you think? I would LOVE to put something on, and I am willing to take the time (before January) to do so. Do YOU want me to get the ball rolling? How many DJs out there would be willing to spin on a percentage basis? I'm sure I can guarantee travel expenses -- I have no idea what the going rate for DJ services is. If I can get enough people to DJ the main room 'till sunrise, I will put this together. Note: I do not subscribe to ne-raves or se-raves, so if anyone feels this message would be appropriate for those lists, please forward it for me. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Tis better to have Peter Johansson Owner of a lonely loved and lost than peter@cs.umbc.edu heart - much better never to have loved than the owner of a at all. Disclaimer? We don't need broken heart. - Shakespeare no stinkin' disclaimers! - Jon Anderson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 18:29:38 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 21:15:59 EDT Subject: BOSTON PARTY--ENTROPIC Status: ok, here's a few more for the dj list: MGEE -- Wherever... Mood -- The Loft, Boston Matt -- Rhode Island (unconfirmed) thighs are looking up, got the first generation flyers out today, and the full color comes out friday... luv, Sprockett (kumquat@acs.bu.edu) From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 20 20:24:28 1993 From: humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 23:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: orb shirt Status: is anyone going to the orb show that would pick me up a shirt? i would gladly pay you whatever you would require...i'll even cook you some ramen noodles! please? ////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////// john, humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu /////// ///////// rainbow, john_humphrey@ncsu.edu /////// //////// humphrey, pgp key upon request /////// /////////IDM////////////////////////////////////// From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 08:34:18 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 11:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Algorythm 2 Status: Hey if you can't make it all the way to casper you may want to check this out. PITTSBURGH Saturday, Oct. 30 M I L L I N E U M & Friends Presentts: A L G O R Y T H M 2 "The Scariest Halloween Party in the Universe" Featuring: The Scariest, Craziest D.J. in the Western Hemisphere From NYC -Industrial Strength Recording Artist- - * L E N N Y D E E*- Frightening advances in twisted grooveology continue with: Deadly Buda Side 2 Jedi Finger +FX Soji Fu Terry Kicks And in the darkest hour a live Breakcore-Darkness-Hard Acid PA by: 1 8888 7777 1 8 8 7 1 8 8 7 1 88 7 11 8 8 77 11 .. 8 8 .. 77 111 .. 8888 .. 77 Visuals by Eyegasm&Jack-O-Vision (Chip Bullock) the man behind the development of the Intellabeam and the designer of the Sound Factory's lighting system. Tix are $8 ($10 at door) Infolines: Millenium (412)734-5549 Lizard's Grove (412)734-8432 Over 9 ticket outlets in the Greater Pittsburgh area, 1 near you. From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 08:36:15 1993 From: steveh@susq.com (Steve Hormell) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 11:35:58 EDT Subject: CASPER: Bus Status: Hey this is a teaser: Scammy and I are working on getting a bus together for Casper. It will be leaving the Philly area Sat. morning Oct. 30. If you are interested please email me asap with "CASPER:" as the title. We wouldlike to have everything set soon so let us know!!! -- Fluffhead 9 days til CASPER!!! From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 09:08:12 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 09:07:54 -0700 Subject: Re: CASPER: Bus Status: Nigel Richards is already running a bus trip out of Philly. The cost is $55 I think, including admission to the rave. You should call him at 611 Records in Philly (use 411 or 215-555-1212 to get the phone number). As of Tuesday night there were still spaces left. Laura From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 09:35:08 1993 From: steveh@susq.com (Steve Hormell) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 12:34:11 EDT Subject: Re: CASPER: Bus Status: I realize that Nigel is running a bus, but i already have one half full just from friends. So i figured if anyone else wanted to come along with us they could. I've been planning this since i heard about it, i'm not running the bus in competition with horizion, just in addition. -- Fluffhead From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 10:44:33 1993 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 13:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Front Page of Canada's National Newspaper (longish rave article) Status: Beyond the ultraworld of PLUI@iossvr.gm.hac.com: > > hullo, I finally got to use a scanner! here's the goods: Dont believe the hype. Here's the real story. > COVER STORY - GLOBE and MAIL - > Sat, Oct. 9 1993 (Canada) > article by Charlotte Parsons (Globe and Mail Montreal) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >She knows what to expect after stepping through the looking glass into rave >country. The moment she walked into Place Newman, an otherwise ordinary >Montreal shopping mall, she entered a dreamscape of shifting colours,throbbing >music and outlandish attire. That's an old rave... and it was a very lame one too. [lots of cliches deleted - you will find that in any rave article] >Rave 'has its own music, its own dress code, its own ethos. Dress code? True grungewear seems to be pretty much there (20% of the people) but is not rave related at all. I see much more grungewear at pearl jam concerts... In many case most people dont give a damn and wear what they want to wear. BTW, grungewear is another media creation... > And has a dark side. yep. darkness breakbeat! :P >Next to Alice, a young woman with ribbons in her ponytails and Tweetybird on >her skirt suddenly stops dancing, unzips her plastic Care Bears backpack and >extricates a jar of Vick's VapoRub. She smears a dot below each nostril, zips >the bag back up and resumes her frenetic dance. People who take x knows what to do not do. That is take lots of water and do not dance too much. Do you really think she was on x? If she is, somebody please tell her the facts... It's that time once again for MDMA facts flyers. >She is less likely to have a cold than to be in the throes of ecstasy the >street name for the drug that has come to be associated with rave culture. She is more likely to not be on ecstasy. There is just so little that makes its way in Montreal. Xers are far less than 10% of the crowd. I'd even say less than 5%. >The drug is often described by its initials, MDMA. No one is really sure >whether to call it an amphetamine, a designer drug or a psychedelic. But it is >surely illegal, which is why, in addition to high energy and great joy, most >raves now feature a police presence. Bullshit. Most cops dont even know what X is. They still think there is acid in smart drinks, that alcohol is served illegally in raves, that people dance buck naked and mostly they bust events because of the club protection by the mafia who still influences greatly the cops. Small events are no threat to the clubs, so they go on unbusted (except for Bug and jam events - they sure dont have their shit together). If it had anything to do with a real concern about drugs, they'd bust the smaller ones too (which are quite easy to find too). >The rave adventure begins with a phone call.The location is always kept secret >until about 12 hours in advance, That's 24 hours of course, and secondly up to 1 week before the rumor has made it's way in the streets. Also, it's not like it's difficult to get, some promoters have publicities in newspapers, stickers everywhere, flyers in every record shops, grungewear shops etc... >that's when a message appears on the >organizers' phone line telling those who are mobile where to go(which could be >any place large and rentable) precisely. Big raves are just money making skeems these days, which is a shame. >Bizarre costume is central to the rave lifestyle,and the rising demand for the >elements of a bold visual statement has spawned a network of suppliers. Among >them is XStatic, a shop just off Toronto's hip Queen Street West strip where a I dont get it. Are they covering Montreal's or Toronto's rave scene? You cant cover both in one article if you are not clearly drawing the line, because these are 2 totally different scenes. > One of the papers is called Tribe, and Mychol Holtman who writes its "Wazup" > column, offers this theory to explain why rave has become such a magnet for > restless youth since emerging from Liverpool and Manchester. > "It can be summed up in one word: unity," he says, arguing that ravers "are > reacting to the 'me, me, me: forget everyone else' attitude of the seventies > and eighties. " Not. Raves are precisely me, me, me, forget what everybody else thinks. The eighties were me, me, me, do like everybody else. >Mr. Holtman feels that young people are increasingly depressed by their lot in >life,by the fact that so many of them are heading straight from high school to >the unemployment line. The rave "vibe" provides an antidote, he says. "They >reassure each other that there is hope and love out there. " These are some sick puppies :) This is again media hawgwash. It is proven regularly by the flame wars on the rave lists (and particularly on alt.rave) that the peace, love, unity concept is not really what it's all about. What is it about? well it is what it means to each of you. It's for the fun of it? fine. It's for the enjoyment of music? fine. It's whatever you think it is for you. But it is not ONE thing. >not to mention drugs, may sound familiar to those who remember the hippie era. >"It's a total peace movement," confirms Dave. "It's the same thing as the >sixties. " That's what a deal of people would want, but (un)fortunately it's not. >Canadian rave got its start two years ago with four techno-starved British >expatriates. That's news to the Montreal rave scene. My show is advanced in it's third year and when i started it, i had been going to raves for a year. In fact, i've been to acid parties which were then named warehouse parties and the music was detroit techno, house and acid house. Now, that was in 88. What are we listening in raves now? techno, house, acid (add ambient). Same difference. Only the names have been changed to protect the innocents. >Over coffee at a Toronto cafe, disc jockey and rave producer Sean >L recalls that they "were basically just looking for a place to go ourselves, >because there was nothing here. " >Given their common background and affection for the music of Bob Marley, the >four adopted the name Exodus, planned their first rave and distributed several >hundred flyers in downtown bars to advertise it. > >To their amazement, about 400 people showed up for the debut. It was an >embryonic outing, far less elaborate than those to follow, but the novices >responded to a mood and music unknown even in the avantgarde clubs many of them >frequented. Say what? clearly Toronto clubs must have been a sad place to be in the late 80s. > RAVE may be a British export but its music was born in the U.S.A. House > appeared first, taking shape in Chicago dance clubs in the early eighties and > mutating into techno after it hit Detroit. Not that the mutation has stopped. At least they got that bit correctly. Except not everybody agrees on the house->techno, but still. > The sound changes so rapidly that disc jockeys, > dedicated to staying abreast of the latest trends, are often > bigger stars than the performers they play. Ain't that a shame. That's mostly because techno bands release only one album (when it's not simply one 12"), but the DJs play gigs upon gigs and so their names appear more frequently. >They cultivate a personal style captured on cassettes sold with their names on >the label. A rave is a 'one off' occasion," explains Dave Crook, a Toronto disc predestined name? :) > The beat buffets Alice's body as green light scribbles across her face and Which reminds me: Metropolis in Montreal is doing something very illegal: their laser scans the whole dancefloor. I was very surprised (but no damage) to receive a laser blast in one eye when i went there one friday night... (it is a quite powerfull laser, like in big raves) >"Laser animation" is another rave specialty. A moving image of laser light is >projected against the wall, and that's something you don't see in the clubs, " >he says. Check out L'esprit, Le Metropolis etc... They have had laser animations on walls and screens for several years... >At Place Newman, lasers are being used to create illusory tunnels and surfaces. >A ceiling of luminous green bars shoots out from the stage, just above the >heads of the dancers. Then the flat surface appears to contract, transforming >itself into a green-spoked spinning wheel. >According to Alice, there is method to this laser madness. "I think that, >visually, raves are setup to enhance the experience of being on psychedelics >she explains "although I do know a lot of people who don't use drugs who go >just for the experience of being around people >who are free and happy. " As i said, a very small percentage take drugs. And raves are NOT the place to experience psychedelics. If you want to try them, do it with friends so that they can control the environment to prevent a bad trip. >Of those who have chosen to indulge, many are on ecstasy, which is a variant of >the sixties a love drug" MDA It's not. >and the intoxicant of choice for ravers from >London to San Francisco. Nope. In commercial raves it's surely alcohol. Even if it's not sold at the site. [stuff about a dj saying the scene is not as bad as the grateful dead shows] >ALICE is not on drugs, but after an hour of dancing she is certainly thirsty. >She escapes the laser kaleidoscope and weaves through the crowd toward a heavy >black curtain. As she slips past it, black lighting turns the white stripes of >her dress electric mauve, and she arrives at the "smart bar. " > >A woman in a black bodice is tending three blenders housing "smart >drinks"?liquids in cheery shades of red, orange and green. "They're made with >amino acids, fruit and caffeine," she explains while pouring Alice's selection, >raspberry, into a plastic cup. "They give you an energy boost. " Ha. DNA smartbar. You gotta take 6 of these for anything to happen. Saturn 6 nights at DAX used to have real smartdrinks. Just one and you felt like you were thinking clearer. > Called "ambient", it features a soft beat and keyboard > washes that create an oasis for the bass-weary The smell > of clove cigaettes and hashish is in the air. > >By 4 a.m. Alice has spent whatever energy her smart drink had provided. Ya right. The drink didn't do anything. Usually the last club type crowd finish to leave at 4... And a bunch of drunk clubbers get at the raves at that time too. >A police cruiser sits idling, as its occupants gaze at the mall with apparent >boredom. The two policemen have a long wait ahead. They've been assigned to >watch over the party until it wraps up?in another four hours. Bidding the >officers good night, Alice boards the bus that will take her back downtown. >Across the parking lot, a second bus pulls up with a fresh crop of costumed >youth. For them, the night is just beginning. I think they simply dont want another H2O on their hand (another bug and jam fiasco) with the riot squad. But when this event is far in the past, watch them jump in with their baton and shield and beat up kids. >Lately, the police have taken a passive approach to rave control."When we find >out about a rave party, then we'll monitor them says Detective >Sergeant Craig Hilborn of the Metro Toronto force's drug unit. "The main >concern we have is the age of the participants and the possible use of illicit >drugs." Hmm. We are talking about Place Newman in Montreal, MUC cops and we get a quote from a Toronto detective? I dont get it. >He says there is little of the violence that would cause a policing problem. In >fact, a rave in May did end in serious violence, but not at the instigation of >its participants. Video footage of the Montreal force shutting down festivities >at the Palais du Commerce show police in riot gear beating party-goers with >nightsticks. Yep. Hey they got that right too! On the other hand, rap nights are extremely violent. Stabbing, guns etc... but in raves, i've yet to witness violence instigated by a raver. > Yet, the future of rave may be in doubt. If anything, the phenomenon may fall > victim to its own success. It will return to the form it should never have left. >In recent months, rave has left its underground birthplace and percolated into >the mainstream. Fully aware of what happened to disco, punk and all the other >subterranean movements that made this journey, hardcore ravers are growing >disillusioned. True. We've gone back to the underground after the H2O event, knowing things will never be the same. And you know what? i like that better. keep it underground. But the comparison is not correct. Techno music is here to stay, while disco and punk are not anymore. Raves and techno is not the same thing. >Popularity breeds commercialism, and the purists have become skeptical as >second-generation competitors appear in the marketplace. I've yet to see a great commercial rave here. >"The sole purpose of a lot of these people is just simply to make a killing, " >complains Sean L. "I think what happened is, people saw what was going on?four >or five hundred people dancing?and thought, 'Hey, I could do that!' But to >throw a rave you have to understand what it is; what the vibe is. " You have to have logistic skills and that's all. Get the right people to DJ, to do the lights etc... Small raves are less logistic, but require the organiser to be much more in the movement and be multi disciplinary too. >At a recent event staged by Atlantis, one of the newcomers in Toronto, >representatives of Chemistry, an early arrival, handed patrons their >resignations?laminated cards that read: "The scene has gone commercial been >bastardized and generally gotten f----d up. That's why we've reluctantly >decided to pack it all in.... " I've heard that T.O is particularly bad in that way. >This is rave packaged by businessmen in their 30s, he says, and their target >market is no longer the inner-city crowd who started it all. "They're appealing > mostly to high-school kids from the suburbs. True. >The pioneers fear that in losing its clandestine nature, rave may lose the key >ingredient to its continued good health. They may not have to wait long to find >out whether they're right. The underground is fine if you ask me. >This month's schedule in Toronto demonstrates just how quickly rave is losing >its low profile. Atlantis is planning to hold one at the CN Tower, the tallest >free-standing structure in the world. I think it's a bad place to hold a rave if you ask me. Well, enough for now, let me know what you think. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 10:53:48 1993 From: pcalarco Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 13:51:44 EST Subject: littering ravers Status: > Speed Racer aka Joe > > btw...speaking of badges...the vrave badge will be up and running again very > very soon...i meant to do it this past weekend but i had too much work. > I am also looking into making vrave stickers, possibly of different desgn > than the vrave badge, and a different sticker too.... I'd be interested in what you have when you get those stickers/badges going again...please keep us informed!! pascal oOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO Pascal V. Calarco InterNet: fpca@musicb.mcgill.ca Grad. School of Also: dr nightmare@anon.penet.fi Library & Info. Studies GEnie: P.CALARCO McGill University Dial (514) 842-7126 RadioCityZen BBS *now up* Montreal, PQ Montreal's first all-e-zine BBS! 1200-14400bps oOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo Still running a fine Atari 1040STe 8 MHz 68000 0.25 MIPS 8}........... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 11:06:50 1993 From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 14:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ..Ritchie Hawtin Status: ....If everything goes right I will be interviewing Ritchie Hawtin (aka Circuit Breaker, Fuse, Plastikman) in the next issue of Albany's music mag BUZZ. Does anyone have any questions, ect for him?.... SquiggleMan From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 13:12:19 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 16:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: A New Pager Number Status: Sorry for posting about a non-rave related topic, but this is the easiest, fastest way to get my new number to all my friends (and you are all, asuredly, my friends). Anyhow, I have a new pager number, so if you need to get in conctact quick, be sure to use it. 301/705-2802 Dan Ps. I am now accessible all up and down the eastern seaboard, from VA to NY. :) "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 13:18:02 1993 From: andrew m. boardman Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 16:17:36 EDT Subject: more musings on commercial raves... Status: I was certainly under the impression that Maskarave 2 was going to be big, but when I open the paper and find a full page ad, complete with "tickets from TicketMaster"... I dunno. It doesn't smell good. Sunshine 2, for a complete change of subject, was great, even if I did have to go crash at around 4... drew "No, sir, you're in section 23, aisle I, seat 6..." From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 14:51:33 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 17:51:20 EDT Subject: The ORB dinner plans finalized! Status: Okay kids! Here is the final specifications for the pre-orb dinner congregation: Name: Mingala Burmese Restaurant Where: 21 East Seventh Street between 3rd and 2nd Ave. Greenwich Village, very near Cooper Square (I have never been to or seen the place, but if you are lost -- pretty difficult, but anyway -- you might want to try calling 212-529-3656 to ask the good folks at Mingala for directions.) Date: Saturday, October 23rd, 1993 Time: 7:00 - 9:00 pm Food: Ethnic Burmese but with a variety to suit many palates I have called the restaurant and made reservations for us all, so please come on down and meet and eat with us! Special notes: ## As Laura has repeatedly said on many occasions, don't try to find your way around an unfamiliar place without a decent roadmap. Common sense I know, but just a friendly reminder for a sometimes unfriendly town :) ## Can i safely assume that everyone knows how to get to Manhattan? Not meaning to be a city-snob, but it's not that hard to get to. If you do need directions, please mail me and i'll try to whip something up. ## As for pre-dinner plans -- as of now, I'm afraid you're on your own :) It's Manhattan, you'll find something to do! But seriously, those who wish to visit Taylor should mail him personally, and some of you might want to check out the VR exhibit that magnificent Chuck has kindly typed up for us. I have no pre-dinner plans myself right now, but I'm open to suggestions until Friday evening when I leave for my friend's place in the Bronx. If you want to reach me with special requests (no, i don't do private parties :P here i am: 516-331-5369 (until Friday) 718-548-0395 (Friday night and saturday day, maybe) See you all very very soon! :) O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 15:43:54 1993 From: winston@lurnix.COM (Mark Guthrie) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 14:09:42 PDT Subject: Re: Front Page of Canada's National Newspaper (longish rave article) Status: There-there, Francois. There's hope and love out there (are you reassured?). -Mark From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 16:51:31 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 19:49:08 EDT Subject: Re: ..Ritchie Hawtin Status: yeah, ask richie what kind of gear he uses :) >>taylor808 ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 17:16:57 1993 From: Machine Media <0005995336@mcimail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 23:37 GMT Subject: PRE-CASPER POTLUCK DINNER GATHERING Status: CYBERTRIBE: As it was already mentioned on TNP and the ROM (:P ;), Yes, I will be having a Pre-Casper Potluck Dinner Gathering at my place in Connecticut, on Saturday October 30, before Casper. Please contact me ASAP! As I would like to get an idea of how many people are comming and get an idea of who is bringing what so we don't have people bring the same things or miss something important. So RSVP me at 5995336@MCIMail.com or call (203) 224-6639 as soon as you have idea of your plans. Dinner is scheduled for 6:00 PM. But that time is pretty flexible as we all know how flaky us r***rs are ;) Remember, there are only 8 days till Casper . . . PEACE OUT:) MARK From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 21 17:26:56 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 20:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Incident at Planet X Status: I know netiquette rules state that you should wait awhile before flaming but what the hell. I'm really steamed and I want to get this off my chest now, as part of getting un-steamed. At 7:00 tonight I was a happy boy. Sam Ash had just gotten in the MDR-7506 headphones that had been backordered for months, and I thought my usual Thursday trip to Planet X would be a good place to try them out. I got there, and the only people in the store were these three or four kids who looked to be about 12-14. While Spike was playing records for them on the big system, one or another would be playing stuff on the other 1200. So, I figured it would be the usual wait. Well, a half-hour went by, it didn't look like these kids were really buying much of anything, so I said to Spike, "I guess it's time for me to assume the position over on the other table." "Sure," he said, "as soon as that guy gets done." The guy finished, settled up with Spike and left, so I set my headphones by the table, and went to the wall to grab some records. When I had a half-dozen or so, I noticed one of the remaining kids listening to something through *my* headphones. When he lifted the needle, I asked him how he liked my new headphones, and he switched to the other ones that are normally there. Whereupon, one of the other kids came up with another armload of records, and he and the first one settled in to what looked to be another long session. At that point I'd had enough. I put the records I had back on the counter, took my headphones, and started to walk out. "Is there a problem?" Spike asks. "Yes," I said, "I'm sick of being made to wait for the privilege of listening on the second-string system while these kids figure out what to do with their allowance money." "Fine," he says, "I don't need that kind of attitude from you," and I started to walk out. Behind me I hear a nice loud "FUCK YOU." "Excuse me?" He followed me to the doorway. "You heard me, FUCK YOU. Am I supposed to throw them out? You think there's some sort of hierarchy here?" "Yes," I said. After all, I've spent anywhere from $100 to $300 a month in there for over a year. I've written reviews for his 'zine, and sung the praises of that place here on the net, and sent a *lot* of business his way. I think that *does* deserve a little consideration. And I *know* he doesn't make the likes of Repete wait, because he's thrown *me* off the decks when Repete arrived, on more than one occasion. "Well, get the FUCK out of here." And with that he turned away and stomped back in, adding a few more fuck-you's for emphasis. OK, fine. If he doesn't want my money he doesn't have to have it. When I went to Groove a few weeks ago, Adam didn't treat me like that, and that was the first time I'd ever been in there. Guess I'll be going there a lot more in the future. Besides, Groove and Planet X get their stuff from the same sources anyway, so I won't be missing out on anything. I don't often call for boycotts. Eat Domino's pizza and drink Coors beer if you like. Fly Continental if you're happy with their service. But I think Spike owes us more than that. With the money we spend in there, the least we can expect is not to be cussed at. But I guess a hail of obscenities is what we can expect now if we want to be treated like anything other than dirtbags with a lot of money and no concern for where it goes. If this doesn't sound too appealing to you, don't shop there any more. Shop at Groove. -Ed SLiP "Out of Planet X" From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 05:55:08 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 08:51:29 EDT Subject: preORB Status: i'd like people to get to my house at around 5-ish... and leave before dinner in time to get to the burmese restaurant...it takes about 15-20 minutes to get into the village from my place by subway... remember, whoever wants to come over.. please email me. i've had trouble logging on lately becuase mindvox is busy everyday from about 5-midnight... so, i fi dn't respond until late tonight... that's why. peace >>taylor ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 05:55:50 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 08:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: So, Ed, how about a mailing address for Planet X so we can all write Spike and tell him what a big mistake he made? --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 07:48:09 1993 From: "Golden Boy" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 10:41:33 CST Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: On Fryday inhuman jacked in and punched deck saying : >So, Ed, how about a mailing address for Planet X so we can all write >Spike and tell him what a big mistake he made? i'm usually not one do write to people, but i agree...give us the address so we can flame this cat... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <> deb9@pop.cwru.edu "Elvis has left the building...permanently" From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 08:35:38 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:35:28 EDT Subject: Mersch Status: M E R S C H Envelop your senses in a state of complete ambience. Mersch invites you to the opening of the Lotus Project. Friday November 5th in Caffeine's Warehouse B. Live Ambience by: THE DEEP RED ALSO Featuring Soundscapes navigated by: DJ Heather Heart (Under One Sky) DJ Slave (Vampyre Circus, VooDoo NYC) Info Lines: 212-629-1960 516-547-6137 516-547-7118 Visual Lush and Event Productions: F L U I D Caffeine. O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 08:39:52 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 11:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Writing letters to Planet X Status: A few people have written publically and privately to me about writing letters to Spike telling him what they think of the way I was treated there yesterday. While this show of support really makes me feel good, I really don't think it would make a whole lot of difference. While I guess I don't know Spike as well as I thought I did, I do know that something like this wouldn't have any real effect. He'd take a look at the letters, think "OK, Ed got on that dumb network of his and told all the computer nerds to whine," and basically disregard the whole thing. I still think the only way to get it through Spike's skull that his businiess practices are less than exemplary is by voting with our feet and wallets. Just don't buy your records there. If we really do represent a measurable chunk of his month-to-month dollar volume, then his accountants' questions are going to be far more embarrassing to him then a few letters from us. If I still feel as shitty about this whole thing a week from now as I do now, I'll probably fax him a letter with everything his screaming prevented me from saying yesterday. (If I do that, I'll post it here.) But as much as I appreciate the show of unity and respect, I doubt that letters from netters he may or may not even remember will make much difference. Thanks loads, folks. Your collective support has made this much easier to take. -Ed From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 09:57:05 1993 From: brendan mcdougall Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 12:59:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Writing letters to Planet X Status: Hi, I am distressed with Spike's outburst and with who caught the brunt. We should make a point and Ed is right--vote with your wallets. Perhaps, to make the point a little more strongly, one could send receipt copies to Spike. While your in the NYC this weekend, drop in at Groove, buy a few records, mention the net to Adam or whoever--reinforce the ne-rave posse--and send your receipt to Spike at Planet X mentioning your displeasure at the treatment Ed received. Easy as it is to drop $50 at a store, if only 10 people do this its a $500 point! Brendan From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 10:06:57 1993 From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 10:06:23 PDT Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: > i'm usually not one do write to people, but i agree...give us the address > so we can flame this cat... If you are a Planet X customer then go ahead and write. I would hope that Spike cares about the opinions of his clientele. But if you don't shop there, don't bother writing. Put yourself in Spike's shoes. If you treated someone badly, and then you started receiving letters from complete strangers about it, you'd get even more pissed about the situation. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 10:52:26 1993 From: Kenny Eng Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 13:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: should a repeat customer get preferential treatment over "kids" just because they have spent a lot of money there before? so that customer can get on the decks? how does one know that those "kids" don't spend a large part of their money there too? it's all relative. those kids might spend all $50 of their allowance there and you might spend half your paycheck there. maybe spike really doesn't care about the money, but about fairness, about people buying records with their money, for records they LIKE! ken -kids are people too!!!!!!!! From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 10:59:30 1993 From: Bruce Krysiak Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 13:59:21 EDT Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: > ...But if you don't shop there, > don't bother writing. Put yourself in Spike's shoes. If you treated someone > badly, and then you started receiving letters from complete strangers about it, > you'd get even more pissed about the situation. On the other hand, any business needs new customers. I was looking forward to checking out Planet X this weekend, but now I might just stop by to inform Mr. Spike that his miserable customer relations is costing him not only the loss of current customers, but also the loss of future customers (like me). I will probably X-fer all my business this weekend to Groove when I'm in NYC for the Orb... ----------- - Bruce Krysiak ------//------- Spike's Law: "A satisfied customer tells one person, an unsatisfied person tells hundreds over the net..." From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 11:34:37 1993 From: 6ANTHONY_M@spcvxa.spc.edu Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 14:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: incident at planet X Status: I kinda agree with ken on this. I don't see why a bunch of kids should get kicked off the turntables. Although they shoulda been nice and used one turntable, and left the other. I've never been to Planet X anyway, New Brunswick is too much of a pain to get too, so I'll still be shopping in NYC. the fiend From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 12:00:32 1993 From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 11:05:30 PDT Subject: Planet X boycott Status: Before you start this boycott, y'all might really want to consider if this is really something you want to do. Running a record store, or any business, can be very stressful, especially when it comes to juggling lots of customers and trying to make them all happy. It can be a lot of fun to develop a rapport with your customers and to treat them well. I've heard stories from both Ed and Laura about how Planet X has held certain records from them, or given them discounts, etc. But everyone is entitled to have a bad day (or several bad days, in some people's cases). It sounds to me like Spike was having a bad day, for whatever reason, and he ended up blowing up at Ed. Maybe Spike needs to chill a bit. Maybe he needs a week at Club Med or something. It seems to me that after everyone cools off, this will probably get resolved in some manner. Maybe it will end up with Spike apologizing to Ed. Maybe not. But, if you guys start a boycott, you will probably piss off Spike so much that he will never want to associate with Ed again. So, all I'm saying is... Think about the consequences of your actions before doing anything rash. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 12:31:01 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 12:30:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Planet X boycott Status: Mike Wertheim said a lot of things, including: >Think about the consequences of your actions before doing anything rash. Maybe I'm just being selfish here, but I can not and will not boycott Planet X. Why? * It is the only good record store I can get to after work. I am out of town most weekends and so can't trek out to Groove on a Saturday, and the Manhattan stores (Discorama, Vinylmania, and Rebel Rebel) don't have 1/8 the selection of Groove or Planet X. * Planet X takes credit cards but Groove does not. * I have historically found a better selection of records at Planet X than at Groove. This probably has to do with the fact that I can get to Planet X on a Thursday about 5 hours after the brand new records from Watts have arrived, rather than delaying for a few days to get to Groove on a weekend. If I were to never set foot in Planet X again I'd basically be limiting myself to buying records maybe once a month, and this would be the end of my record collecting and DJing days. I know a lot of people are outraged at Spike's actions, but let's not start a witch hunt. Feeling torn up, Laura P.S. Ed and I discussed my views and he understands where I'm coming from, so please don't start any "how can you not support your friend" threads. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 12:31:27 1993 From: ANALOGUE BUBBLEBATH Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: boycotting is a good idea... but writing him to tell him he is being boycott and doing it is even better. manish From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 12:32:06 1993 From: "David A. Wolfe" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Was NASA/SCOTTO Status: I was caught in the 'major security incident' @PANIX.COM. It was interesting to see the responses to the original flame including the flamer's response. Thanks for acknoweldging the occaisional emotional nature of some posts. I do want to respond myself, however. I have no commercial connection with Scotto. We are good friends, in fact, as the Technocal Director of a now defunkt club in nyc, I gave him his first NYC job. I am totally excited by the work he has done with NASA and would do anything for him. I volenteered to post whatever he wanted on the internet and gaver him no parameters for the post. Had he given me ticket prices, I would have suggested that he rethink the post. As it was, the post seemed to me to be informational and an attempt to give some of the philosophy of NASA. This seems to be the kind of information that is entirly appropriate. The internet is probably the only medium that I know that allows for more in depth information shring than can be found on a flyer, Assuming this completes the thread on the original flame. I would encourage requests for information that i can pass along concearning concepts, goals, attitudes in dressing and other less nuts and bolt kinds of questions. Thanks for all the interest....it's good to be back up. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 12:35:31 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: > should a repeat customer get preferential treatment over "kids" just > because they have spent a lot of money there before? so that customer > can get on the decks? For those of you who haven't been to Planet X, their setup is that they have a main system with two 1200s, a mixer and speakers. Whoever is working the store usually operates this system. Off to the side, they have another 1200, sitting on top of a preamp (the "little" system), on which people can listen to records through headphones. When the store gets crowded, there are several things that can be (and have been) done to make sure nobody has to stand around too long. First, limit the number of records any one person can play on the little system - play three records, then get back in line. This has worked well in the past. Second, whoever's running the main system shouldn't devote their entire attention to one single customer. There have been times when Spike has just gone down the line of people standing there, playing one record for each person. Again, nobody was completely ignored. Last night, Spike wouldn't do either of those things. For whatever reason, he decided that it didn't matter what I thought, I wasn't going to hear record one until he was good and ready to let me. I can accept this if the store is crowded - sometimes I just tell him I'll come back when it's quieter. I can also accept this if someone's spending a lot of money - I don't think I have the right to cost him a big sale. But neither of these conditions held last night. Yes, I think repeat customers should get treated at least as well as people who come in infrequently or spend relatively little money for the amount of service they require. Put yourself in any salesman's shoes - would you rather work for an hour for a customer who's going to spend little or nothing, or spend that hour more productively? If you're in a restaurant, or a car dealership, and you're made to wait too long, you leave. And if you're a regular, it's doubly insulting, because your loyalty has also been trivialized. For a specialty shop like a techno record store, the foundation of the business is the customer base. This isn't a hospital, where the emergency nature of the situation requires you to take whetever they have on their terms. It's also not a high enough demand market that it doesn't matter whether one person buys because if they don't there are a dozen more who will. The vast majority of the dollar volume of a place like Planet X comes from the people who are there week after week, spending a relatively constant amount of money. If he doesn't keep us happy, then he's biting the hand that feeds him, just as he did last night. Sure, a new customer has to be treated well enough to become a repeat customer. But once they're a repeat customer, that doesn't mean until death do us part. Don't give your repeats reasons to stop coming any more than you'd give a first-timer reason not to come back. It wouldn't have hurt Spike at all to have told these kids (I'm sorry, "people"), "Look, not that I don't want your business, but this guy's one of my regulars, and I'd like to play a few things for him, too." -Ed P.S.: > all $50 of their allowance Times have changed, haven't they? From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 12:48:54 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Planet X boycott Status: > But, if you guys start a boycott, you will probably piss off Spike > so much that he will never want to associate with Ed again. I was aware of that when I first suggested it. I pissed Spike off that much by daring to question how he did business in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, I don't care what Spike thinks, because I'm not spending one more dime for the privilege of being treated like that. HOWEVER, and this is why I'm against the letter-writing, do keep in mind the consequences your actions might have for people who are associated with the net and who will still be buying their records there. Spike can hate my guts for all I care, but I don't want it to rub off on Laura or Will-E or Eileen or whoever else might unknowingly and unwillingly get dragged into the middle of this. -Ed From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 13:38:11 1993 From: brendan mcdougall Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:37:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: Hi, An interesting twist may be that Spike wah having a bad day and felt personal enough with Ed to tell him to fuck off. I have been in situations where I have told my advisor to fuck off and he to me. These were certainly situations where familiarity and emotions did not mesh well. Perhaps if Ed told him to fuck off back and said "see you tomorrow" they could have dealt with it personally. I can't imagine that Spike really dismisses Ed's business or import as irrelevant. I say buy a sixer of nice beer, go into the store, yell at each other and have a beer. I'd be dammed surprised if Spike didn't buy you a record or two in exchange. melodramatically and idealistically yours, brendan From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 13:43:01 1993 From: enzyme Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:42:55 -0500 Subject: I need post Orb crash space! Status: Hello all, I don't know if my first message made it out. Here goes... Is there any kind soul going to the pre-Orb dinner that could serve as guide through the city and make crash space for two after the concert? Actually, Alex (soma) and I want to go the the afterhours as well. If so, please email me your phone number so I can get directions or call me before 9pm tonight at (703) 478-9774. Thanks, Paul PS. We're really desperate! We'll wash your cat! Anything! :) PPS. If we end up going, we have room for two others (we're driving from DC). Call me at the number above or look for me at Buzz tonight. I'll be wearing a blue shirt with white sleeves and blue jeans. I have dark brown hair, brown eyes, blah, blah. -- enzo@virginia.edu beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 13:55:11 1993 From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 13:55:03 -0700 Subject: Planet X Status: On Oct 22, 8:55am, Inhuman asked: } So, Ed, how about a mailing address for Planet X so we can all write } Spike and tell him what a big mistake he made? And on Oct 22, 12:59pm, Brendan proclaimed: } I am distressed with Spike's outburst and with who caught the brunt. } We should make a point and Ed is right--vote with your wallets. } Perhaps, to make the point a little more strongly, one could send } receipt copies to Spike. Hey, guys, aren't we being just a TAD high-and-mighty? Who are we to make such a severe judgement on what passed? There are two sides to everything, and I'm not completely convinced that Spike is the antichrist and deserves our eternal condemnation. Sure, he made a mistake by telling one of his best customers to Fuck Off, but I thought that that was a compliment out there :) How many of you have ever worked in the customer service industry? I have, for 4 years, and there are DEFINITELY going to be bad days and unless you're made out of sugar it's bound to rub off on your customers. Ed, from what you and Laura have told me about Spike, you KNOW he has a temper and is sometimes crude (his name is Spike, c'mon! :). When a friend snaps at me for something I don't consider fair, I don't return it with equal gusto, I just check back in later to see if they've calmed down. I agree with Kenny and Mike and everyone who agreed with them. A letter-writing campaign is silly and outright dangerous. It's VERY easy for people to jump into a flame war, and now people here are considering making is a snail-mail flame war. Don't do it. Ed, I hope Spike comes around and apologizes - maybe if he's not able to say that in person he'll relate it to you via some of the other people who shop there. It just seems like a small thing to burn bridges over. Then again, I wasn't there. Brian From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 14:06:42 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 22 Oct 1993 16:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Incident at Planet X.. Status: ..I may be off-base with this statement, but I really think that the incident (as described by Ed) occured because of a volatile mixture of bad circumstances, and is not an indication of the type of person Spike is. Interpretation of the events which took place is highly subjective, and I'm sure if I called Spike and asked him to describe the situation, he would interpret it completely differently. Not that I would ever think of doing that - I was just using that possibility to illustrate my point. Please don't take offense, Ed.. I'm just saying what I'm saying for the sake of objectivity. Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 14:46:04 1993 From: soundz@MIT.EDU Date: Fri, 22 Oct 93 17:45:46 EDT Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: :should a repeat customer get preferential treatment over "kids" just :because they have spent a lot of money there before? so that customer :can get on the decks? how does one know that those "kids" don't spend a :large part of their money there too? it's all relative. those kids :might spend all $50 of their allowance there and you might spend half :your paycheck there. maybe spike really doesn't care about the money, :but about fairness, about people buying records with their money, for :records they LIKE! : ken :-kids are people too!!!!!!!! It is true that Spike may have had something in his conscience telling him that the kids should be treated equally, but that doesn't give him any right to tell Ed to "fuck off." I don't know exactly what happened at Planet X (how long Ed was waiting to get on the table, if the kids were trying to listen with 50 records in his arms, etc...) But an owner of a store should treat any of his customers with care, not tell them "Fuck You." JimmY HaT (condom/boston) From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 18:42:24 1993 From: Mike Perkowitz Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 18:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: help! Status: anyone out there know of any patch editor/librarian programs i could use on a yamaha FB01 that i can FTP? if not, do you know what FTP sites i might rummage around in to find something? what directories? thanks mike From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 19:12:52 1993 From: Robert Campanell Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 19:12:10 -0700 Subject: "Cyberia" #10 programming guide and U Network affiliates Status: Cyberia, Episode 10: U Network, October 1993 Here's a guide to the October "Cyberia" episode. This episode features all digital animation, including the techno music video. Computer Animations "K-Rad Man" Ian Haig Produced at the Phillip Institute of Technology (Australia) Mad Scientists, computer viruses, guy zombied out on video games, television game show hosts. "Mimesis" Elnor Kinsella Produced at Texas A&M Hearts locked in glass try to break outs "When I was 5 I could see all the trees." Michelle Robinson. 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Cable 8 Productions Pullman, WA Western Oregon State WSTV Monmouth, OR Western Wisconsin Tech WWTC-TV Cable 8 La Crosse, WI Yonkers Public Schools WDMC-TV Yonkers, NY York College of PA WVYC-TV, Telecomm. Dept York, Pa ---------------------------------------------------------------- | "C Y B E R I A" | | Experience Reality in a Virtual World | ---------------------------------------------------------------- |Robert Campanell |Explicit | |Producer, "Cyberia" |2020 Pennsylvania Ave. NW | |George Washington University |Suite 430 | |Internet: robcamp@well.sf.ca.us |Washington, DC 20006 | ---------------------------------------------------------------- From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 20:41:05 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 23:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Planet X Status: Brian et al, I can see how if Ed and Spike were best friends and Ed was ready to never talk to him again over this incident his reaction might be legitimately seen as extreme. But Spike runs a business and his relationship with Ed was purely professional. Professionals may have bad tempers, but if they're in the service industry they either learn to control them or find another line of work. I think Ed is 100% in the right in what he is doing. I fully support mature letter writing and I think sending receipts from Groove is a great idea. Me, Michael. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 22 23:36:15 1993 From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 23:35:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Planet X Status: On Oct 22, 11:39pm, you proclaimed: } Brian et al, I can see how if Ed and Spike were best friends and Ed was } ready to never talk to him again over this incident his reaction might } be legitimately seen as extreme. But Spike runs a business and his } relationship with Ed was purely professional. It wasn't purely professional - they have known each other for a long time, thrown parties together, Spike would hold records for Ed, etc. I won't argue that being friends with someone means you can tell them to fuck off. But who here has never told a good friend or relative to fuck off? } I think Ed is 100% in the } right in what he is doing. I fully support mature letter writing and I } think sending receipts from Groove is a great idea. Ed has come out against mass letter writing (and knowing the all-talk- little-action nature of this and other mailing lists, I didn't think it would happen anyways.) I know if I were Spike and started getting hate mail from people I didn't know, I could care less. Telling other people "don't shop there coz the owner told a friend to fuck off once" is pretty unfair. Anyways, this whole thread NEVER SHOULD HAVE SHOWN UP on the list, IMHO. Brian From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 23 05:09:02 1993 From: Thomas C Butcher Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 08:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Incident at Planet X Status: Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 22-Oct-93 Re: Incident at Planet X by ebh@usl.com > > all $50 of their allowance > > Times have changed, haven't they? Sure enough. From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 23 09:11:51 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 12:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Discs to RUN For Status: Hey Folks, Just went shopping at Rebel Rebel here in Manhattan ( gotta make the most of a NYC holiday, hey? :) and picked up a stack of CD's, two of which I just HAVE to write about ( if you've already got them, hopefully you'll agree with me that they're fan-bloody-tastic :)... Trance Europe Express: 2 CD's ( 150m ) of incredible trance just released from the UK by the folks who produce the Volume series. Published on Sept. 20, 1993, it comes complete with a 192 page booklet discussing the artists on the discs, the scene and various other insanities. Paid about US$25 for it at Rebel Rebel... Overall, about 11/10 for this one - I was trancing and I hadn't even taken ANYTHING to assist. Woooooo :) HARTHOUSE: The point of no return chapter 1 OK, so I've already got Spicelab's Quicksand on The Secret Life Trance and Hardfloor's Acperiance 1 on about three other compilation discs but hey, the other 11 tracks I haven't got so for $10, I grabbed it. Lot's of other Spicelab tracks and a stack of stuff on the trance area. Overall - 10/10 - not as ballistic as TEEX ( above ) but still an excellent disc. I also saw Logic Trance which is also real good but Laura beat me to it, throwing me back across the store as we raced to be the first to the counter to buy it ( hmmmm, wrestling those album crates to gigs must really have boosted those muscles there :). If you like Trance, grab it. OK, the next two discs aren't hot off the presses but they're still excellent and people who I play them for often race out and buy them. The Secret Life of Trance: It's a 1993 Rising High Productions compilation. Should I say any more??? OK, so it too has Hardfloor Acperiance 1 and Ongaku Mihon but I'm willing to put up with that to get the 8 other tracks on it ( Spicelab, Sequential, Bi-Farce, Influx, etc ). Overall 9.5/10 - yeah, I'm getting piccky - I would have said 10/10 but the HARTHOUSE and TEEX discs have spoiled me :) Probe Volume One: Yeah, yeah, so it's a 1992 release but when Chris Mellow played it for me on the way to Outlaw 5, I was gone. Fortunately I managed to find this in Philladelphia at the record store DJ Rush recommended to me. It's got Circuit Breaker's Open Your Mind and Trac-X, Texas Audio's Assassin ( wild, mate, totally wild :), Up!'s Spiritual High and heaps more cool stuff. Overall - 8/10 ( maybe 9/10 ) - if you haven't got it, check it out - well worth getting. I also got Probe's Mission USA which is good too but doubles up a couple of tracks from Volume One. OK, so there's some cool albums to check out but if yer into Trance, save your $$$$ and get Trance Europe Express, it's well worth it and looks like it may be the forerunner to a new series from these people. They included a questionnaire which was more geared towards the British market but the booklet has their phone number so as soon as I get back to Boston I'm gonna call them. Way cool stuff... Grant From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 23 09:42:31 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 12:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Planet X Status: > I fully support mature letter writing and I > think sending receipts from Groove is a great idea. Once again, PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. It won't help me, and it will hurt other people. Please. -Ed From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 23 12:44:29 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 15:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Casper...and rides for it... Status: All across V-rave for the past few weeks it's been that everyone wants to go to Casper, but most people aren't into taking the busses available. SO, I figured this may help a little. IF you're going to Casper at all, please mail me and tell me...include though where you are from and if you need a ride or can offer one or whatever so we can try to help out all of those that don't have rides and desperatly want to go there. JHopefully this will help out :) Melzie aka Servent to all From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 23 12:56:21 1993 From: jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu (Vanessa Wang) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 93 15:56:09 EDT Subject: (another) pre-casper dinner party... Status: Not to detract from Mark's pre-casper dinner or anything, but we northerners felt it would be too out of the way to drive to CT first, then on to Casper (it would be an extra, oh, say 5 hours?) So, Amy Dubin (v-raver) and I will be hosting a small dinner at Wellesley (in my *big* kitchen) at 5pm on Saturday, October 30... For directions, please e-mail me! (jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu) This is just a little *small* gathering for MA/VT/ME/NH/Canada people who just sort of want to meet up before heading down. So, even if you aren't going to Casper, you are still invited :) Hope to see you... wfs-- jetta. From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 23 13:13:32 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (Nate Goldbaum) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 15:59:34 -0400 Subject: Re: grave II Status: On Oct 22, 5:19pm, "Gregory M. Kus" wrote: > Subject: Re: grave II > .. Where is Grave Reverence going to be held??? it would be hilarious if > they had it in the same place that got busted last year!!!.. > Acid Boy Todd was telling me a little about the scene back then and what > happened.. but I was wondering, this is to Melissa... > What happened with the charges?? Todd said that the tickets were for > $325 for contributing to the deliquency of minors or something. > > What happened with those.. brought to court or something??? > peace-- > Let me know.. > > Kus > gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu > >-- End of excerpt from "Gregory M. Kus" >From what I read in Reactor, one of the kids at the rave had a lawyer for a father. They got together the families of the kids busted and all agreed to take the incident to court and not to pay the tickets. In fact, the city even agreed to lower the charge of the fine (to $75, I think) and they refused to accept that. They took it to court and had the charges thrown out. It was a *major* victory for the scene. I'm not %100 sure that all the above facts are correct, but the gist of it is true. peace nate -- nate goldbaum goldbn@rpi.edu =============================================================================== if mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-ee cummings who would be born must first destroy a world. --hermann hesse i don't want the world, i just want your half. --they might be giants ========================================================================= From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 23 14:18:13 1993 From: Michael Hauben Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 17:18:03 -0400 Subject: Pre-Orb NYC Dinner Status: Howdy, I am going to try and come down to the dinner too. However, was dinner set for 7:30, 7:00, or anytime that we can try to make it between 7:00 and 9:00? Plus, can we ask the host/ess for any particular group if we get there late or early? I have never met any of you and would like to know how to find you all! :) -Michael From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 23 15:31:38 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1993 18:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Planet X Status: > It wasn't purely professional - they have known each other for a long > time, thrown parties together, Spike would hold records for Ed, etc. No, Michael was right. Spike's and my relationship has never been anything but professional. I got to know him purely by buying records from him. He and I have never socialized outside the store. The only time I ever was on the same DJ list as him was a coincidence. He and I have never thrown parties together. Even the Digital Deviants events I've worked on had no involvement from him. > But who here has never told a good friend or relative to fuck off? Me. Unless it was part of terminating a relationship. -Ed From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 10:42:29 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Sun, 24 Oct 93 13:24:11 -0400 Subject: Perfect rave Status: This is a rather silly question, but what, in your opinion, would constitute a perfect rave? C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 11:09:28 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 14:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Replying about casper.... Status: For those responding about Casper...PLEASE do it to me directly and NOT through the lists..... [I just figure that people hate having to go through all of this if I'm the only one that needs the info.....] *HUGS Melanie aka Shadow Dancer From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 12:22:46 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sun, 24 Oct 93 15:22:36 EDT Subject: Perfect rave Status: > > This is a rather silly question, but what, in your opinion, would > constitute a perfect rave? > > C-ya... > SEASON: Mid-summer, temps in the 60's PLACE: Outdoors in a large field, woods, hilly knoll mostly clear starry night with some clouds for f/x far from civilization but close enough for convenience the dance space is a soft grassy area, decorations are placed to complement the natural surroundings MUSIC: every kind of house/techno imaginable, spread out evenly. the music is large, loud and clear all night LIGHTING: also, well designed to play off the natural surroundings CROWD: Every net-raver from around the world present and accounted for :) Vibeful, happy, friendly folks from around the planet demonstrating that they really do believe in P.L.U.R. by their actions on and off the dance space PRICE: free, but donations are accepted and freely given COPS: none :) Am I describing, the NMS/B2B party? well, almost :) Peace, lovelies! O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 12:29:30 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 15:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: THE ORB in New York City Status: Hey, OK, so maybe the 2CB and E I took helped but WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... Can you say "Fan-fucking-tastic"???? These guys were incredible and the crowd was really cool - I was right up front with a pair of laser pops ( candy sticks with a light & battery fused into the base :) going ballistic. Lots of classics, all mixed differently ( of course ) but familiar enough to have the crowd go wild when strains were recognized. All up, the ORB were about 9/10 or 10/10, the trance DJ ( s ) before them were the same rating, the hard core after wards sucked, the crowd getting a little nasty vibe wize but then after about 4:30, 5am it came right for the last hour or so... Over all, about 8/10 from where I was - a friend who headed up back claimed that the lighting effects were even more incredible from back there - so I guess 11/10 for that :) Definitely a High point for the whole New York City adventure I've just had. Oh yeah, if you want an interesting time, try walking all around south Manhattan from 63rd st down to the World Trade Centre buildings, I've done it twice now, including 6:30am while coming home after the show - about an hour or more including a brief jog for 20 blocks to burn off the chemicals :) To the NE-Raves crowd - what happened to you lot? I finally got out with my jacket after queueing to get it and you weren't out front ( just a shit load of cops :), you didn't seem to be in the queue for the After Hours and ya weren't gathered down on 53rd and Broadway... What happened? Anyhow, all up, a great night ( the dinner before hand was cool - "Hi" to all those I met there :) and after spending a week or so wandering Manhattan, New York is the greatest place to live that I've seen so far ( beats Sydney for adventure but not that nite-life feel :) and the locals are a lot of fun. THanks heaps to all who made it great. Enuff blurbing - see you US folks at Casper and GRIN II and see you Ozzies in a few weeks... Grant From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 12:44:03 1993 From: Speed Racer Date: Sun, 24 Oct 93 15:41:40 EDT Subject: perfect rave Status: I think you hit the nail on the head, fish! damn, i was going to say nearly the same thing too! (evil twin!) I would probably add that people would be naturally high, or barring that, would be high without incident...but that's just me... stay fresh kids, JP3 aka joe From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 15:07:07 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 93 18:01:06 EDT Subject: the orb Status: thank you to everyone who showed up and blessed my night at the orb. i'm sorry i didn't get a chance to hang out before hand, but.. i'm glad i finally made it. the show was breathtaking...i hope one day i can write music as captivating, mediating and rich as the orb do... i thought hte crowd was really friendly...and one of the evening's highlights had to be the pen laser bondin from me and 4 other unknown souls on the screen behind the orb... the whole evening was much better than i thought it would be.. it was great to feel that kind of vibe again.. i really miss seeing you all.. and my day has been filled with lonely misses since i got home. i hope you all had a great time..and i can't wait to see everyone next weekend at casper! ] peac, love, trance xoxo >>taylor ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 17:29:34 1993 From: Michael Hauben Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 20:28:42 -0400 Subject: NYC Orb Set List? Status: Does anyone have a coherent memory of the set list at the NYC orb gig? I didn't recognize the first couple of songs, except some strains of OOBE. Maybe one of them was Spanish Castles - not sure, as I haven't heard that song as I don't have the UK 2CD (humerous - as some people on the ne-raves list thoguth I had said 2CB at the pre-orb dinner) Adventures yet. (JUst the US Domestic version.) Anyways, the night was amazing. However by staying for the entire show (till 6pm) the impact was filtered by dancing to hardcore for much of the rest of the night. Also did anyone know which DJs spun when? Was Lewis before the Orb? Roseland was used to good effect. Before the show there were oil projections and the like on the white overhangs. Never understood what the Omnisensial Appearence by Lalamonda? was supposed to be that filled the VIP area. Some guy was wearing something that I guess is supposed to be a mind machine or something. Weird. It was really cool to see Alex and Thrash in person after all the photos and such. Does anybody know if there were additional people playing? I thought I had read on this list(orb) that there was supposed to be a basist and a drummer? Oh, and I picked myself up a grey shirt at the beginning. I guess I heard from someone that they sold out here in NY too. (Someone said that happened in SanFran too.) One last thing - Outlands was totally incredible live - killer base. The version on CD is plain pitiful compared to what they were able to do live. I was sad because I couldn't dance straight through the song as I had already danced myself out (not being a regular dancer, and beiong out of shape.) Anyone know if there is a way to get this song done right? Or do the speakers make the real difference? -Michael From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 18:10:41 1993 From: Francis L Sibilla Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 21:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Perfect rave Status: On Sun, 24 Oct 1993, Rishad J. Quazi wrote: > > This is a rather silly question, but what, in your opinion, would > > constitute a perfect rave? > > SEASON: Mid-summer, temps in the 60's > > PLACE: Outdoors in a large field, woods, hilly knoll > mostly clear starry night with some clouds for f/x > far from civilization but close enough for convenience > the dance space is a soft grassy area, decorations > are placed to complement the natural surroundings > > MUSIC: every kind of house/techno imaginable, spread out > evenly. the music is large, loud and clear all night > > LIGHTING: also, well designed to play off the natural surroundings > > CROWD: Every net-raver from around the world present and > accounted for :) > Vibeful, happy, friendly folks from around the planet > demonstrating that they really do believe in P.L.U.R. > by their actions on and off the dance space > > PRICE: free, but donations are accepted and freely given > > COPS: none :) > > Am I describing, the NMS/B2B party? well, almost :) > > Peace, lovelies! > > > Except for EVERY net-raver in existence and Free - The above description pretty much explains Ultraworld Goes Wild! Which in addition to the above comments even includes a positive experience for the locals (at U8 families brought out their kids to play in the pool and moonbounce, and some locals and all the food pavilion people hung out and seemed to have a good time) Fran From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 19:15:10 1993 From: Francis L Sibilla Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 21:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: THE ORB in New York City Status: On Sun, 24 Oct 1993, Grant D McHerron wrote: > > Hey, > > OK, so maybe the 2CB and E I took helped but WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... > > Can you say "Fan-fucking-tastic"???? These guys were incredible and > the crowd was really cool. . . I'm really glad you had a good time grant, but the chemicals probably did help just a bit. . . I my opinion it was way too crowded - I constantly had to re-adjust to get a decent view of the orb. They were good - the lighting was excellent (although some powerful lasers would have been nice on the orbs and other suspended things from the ceiling) The lighting was also very hypnotic - particularly during "Little Fluffy Clouds" - so much so that I really just wanted to sit down, relax, and take in the experience - but the crowd was really edgy and distracting - so I couldn't. You could sit, or see, but not both - I managed to work my way to whatever that lalalandia thing was - to sit on the side stage - but I guess my ass wasn't important enough to sit on the sacred ground of the "VIP" area (i.e. the stage). Every time I tried to I was yelled at by security. Sitting on the stage blocked no one's view (the stage people had chairs that elevated them beyond anyone sitting on the stage floor) and it created more floor space (of which there wasn't much). That is one of the things that pisses me off about club and concert events - the VIP area and the o so courteous bouncers that protect it. Another problem was that before the orb, a lot of people, who I guess were more used to concerts than raves, were just standing in the middle of the floor waiting for the orb while the early DJ's were spinning. This made dancing a real hassle - you couldn't move without banging into people. This, combined with the crowds left the vibe really low and mellow - after the orb a lot of people continued to just stand around and block people from dancing - or just sprawled out and slept on the floor. I didn't find it exeptionally friendly - except for the people I had already met - luckily there were a ton of net people there - thanks Rishad for organizing the dinner!). Not many randomn smiles that are common at good events. And there was a LOT of Beer - which nearly got dumped on me several times by drunk people. The dance floor didn't clear out enough to dance until the mental hardcore set came on after Adam X - At first I thought it was a joke - sort of a response to all the recent criticism that he's been getting, but then I realized it was another DJ. It was actually kind of fun (I can't believe I used to be able to dance consistently to that!) but it dragged on too long. Finally I was able to get into the dancing for the last hour. That last DJ was really good - does anyone know who that was? DJ Lewis was also good - I just wish I could have danced more comfortably while he was on. I guess I sound really negative about the whole thing - I just really didn't get into it - I suppose I've been spoiled by the last few events I've been to. It was good to see so many net people and to meet so many new faces from the net - I really respect all you guys who drove out from Detroit (and us east coast people whine that pitsburgh is too far to visit). And thanks to Chuck and Jane for putting me up last minute (I called chuck on friday night, after I'd arrived in the city) Now, I can't wait to see the Aphex Twin . . . Fran p.s. - the vr exhibit that Chuck, Jane, and I attended at the Guggenheim was a little disapointing - A lot of the equipment wasn't working - but thanks to chuck - Thomas Dolby got some advise on where to find an extension to the joystick for his vr demo - maybe it's fixed now. Just a little name dropping for your enjoyment. From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 24 22:11:27 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 1:11:10 EDT Subject: The ORB :) :l :( Status: Hi kids, just another inevitable report on the orb show last night. Pre-everything: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Drove into the city and met up with Phil, Fluid and Grant outside our soon-to-be dinner spot and decided to go check out the VR exhibit at the Guggenheim museum (BTW, how come this place is not listed on the Visitor's map of NYC under museums? strange). Unfortunately when we got there, the tickets were sold out until the 5-6pm slot which we decided was a little slim for dinner, so we headed to Phil's place to chill out for a while. There we hung out for a while, as DJ FiSH took over the tables for the first time ever and proceeded to beat mismatch and miscue records. For those few net-ravers who've never DJ'ed before (don't be embarrassed, speak up :) :) -- this is no easy job believe you me! it's like trying to settle an argument between two people who are talking at the same time and in different languages! Eeeek! Towards the end of my 'set' I did manage to get somewhat of a coherent synchrony between two records (Aphex and ???), so there is hope, heehee Pre-ORB dinner: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This went off really well. We arrived there at 7:00 to find the fine folks at Mingala's Village Burmese Restaurant had laid out a long 20-seater table for us. Waiting for the rest of the gang to arrive, we plied ourselves with appetizers and endless water ('More golden triangles, please!' :) More and more people gradually showed up, and i took a head count at 9:00 pm of 16 people - a great turn-out. Thank you all for coming out and breaking bread, especially the folks who came from Virginia and Pittsburgh and Michigan for this. Much thanks to Phil Z for recommending this lovely place, and I do hope everyone enjoyed the food. I loved my plate of Mingala Kow Swar noodles, though an excess of appetizers rendered me unable to finish it :( Thanks again to everyone who everyone who responded in a timely fashion to the head count request through e-mail, though there still was a bit of space left in the restaurant when everyone was there. The Main Event: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Roseland is a great big ballroom type place with hardwood floors, and carpetted floors and nice seating all around. Before the ORB came on, i think it was DJ Lewis spinning some tracks. The music he played was pretty good, though he could work lots on his mixing techniques (sheesh, not 2 hours gone by and DJ FiSH is already dissing :) The dance space inside was quite crowded and as Fran said, a lot of people were standing in the middle of it. More on the vibe, later. Finally the ORB came on at 1:00 am. I have not been listening to the ORB for very long, my interest being rubbed off on me from a friend who likes them -- their music is strange, humorous, dark, ambient, spacey and at times trancey. I usually listen to them while bobbing off to sleep and after being jostled by the crowd attempting to get a look at them (not that there's much to see on stage per se, they look like real people ... really! :) i found a FiSH-length floor space and proceeded to enjoy the ORB in my own special way .. zzzz No, no, this is not a comment on the ORB's performance, I thought they were pretty good. I just prefer to listen to them in a blacked out visual space, so I flung a conveniently large Casper flyer over my face and just listened. The sound system was pretty damn loud (though distorted at some points) and the famous ORB bass that everyone has been talking about was felt quite strongly. After they finished their performance, it was DJ time again. I only recognized Adam-X, though the flyer said the Repete was on it, so I guess the intense hardcore set that followed was him. Quite a change from the ORB's music! The last DJ to go on played a very nice mix of progressive-housey-tribal-trance The ViBE: ~~~~~~~~ Having sung my praises of the quality of the music played that night, let me now proceed to bitch and complain. All in all this was a pretty vibeless night for me, save for the last hour or so. I'm starting to think that there is some sort of city cabaret rule that prevents me from ever experiencing a vibe in a Manhattan-held event, and I'm sure at least some of you know what I am talking about. It wasn't really anything substantial that ruined my mood for the evening, perhaps just the accumulation of the following: - no cameras allowed (had to stuff it in my pants) - no water or drinks allowed in (had to give up my gatorade) - got yelled at by a drink-stand lady when i asked her if i could take an empty cup to get water. - got my hand trampled on as i was trying to enjoy the music - got beer spilled on my bag and that was trampled on too - getting constantly josstled by an over-crowded dance floor where 1/3 of the people weren't even dancing sorry if my mood rubbed off on anyone else (Paul/beloved at least picked up on it) but i guess you can't win 'em all. having all the net-ravers there really did pick things up for me a lot, though, let me tell you. time for the obligatory attendance sheet: john shiple and gloria brendan jason/method-1 jason/fuzzbox ed eileen mikebee chuck jane taylor grant phil fluid michael hauben regis phelan bruce paul/beloved gar jacob chris mellow jeannie fran mars Once again, this event was photo-documented, so look out for pix on your friendly neighbourhood server. Pix of cybertech will arrive soon courtesy of mr. chris mellow, though i will post a list of pix online and let you all tell me if you object to having them put up, before they are uploaded. peace, everyone! O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 03:44:46 1993 From: bbehlen@techno.Stanford.EDU (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 03:44:39 PDT Subject: New uploads to the song sample archive at techno.stanford.edu Status: I just uploaded these. Share and Enjoy. AMORPHOUS_ANDROGYNOUS_Liquid_Insects_1.30-2.30.au COSMIC_BABY_Space_Track_2.45-3.30.au COTTON_CLUB_Its_Time_1.30-2.00.au CURVE_Rising_FSOL_mix_2.45-3.45.au DAISY_GLOW_Sunday_In_The_Park_2.50-3.35.au DRUM_CLUB_Follow_the_Sun_2.45-3.30.au EDEN_TRANSMISSION_Im_So_High_1.00-1.45.au HELICOPTER_On_Ya_Way_1.50-2.20.au HIGH_LONESOME_SOUND_SYSTEM_Champion_Sound_1.00-1.45.au HUMAN_MESH_DANCE_Sunflower_3.00-3.30.au MOODY_BOYS_Glitch_2.30-3.00.au MOTHER_All_Funked_Up_.30-1.00.au ORB_Majestic_Millwall_mix_5.00-5.30.au RENEGADE_SOUNDWAVE_Ozone_Breakdown_4:30-5:00.au SOIT-PP_n.IASP.3.00-3.30.au SOURCE_Its_a_Kind_of_Magic_2.46-3.28.au SYSTEM_7_Desir_2.00-3.00.au TOM_TOM_Iron_Hamma_1.00-1.30.au UP_ABOVE_THE_WORLD_Unleashed_in_the_East_1.30-2.30.au If you have anything else you'd like to see up, either digitize and upload it yourself or ask me and if I have it I'll do it too if I have time :) Brian From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 08:24:03 1993 From: "G.L. Eden" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:23:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Perfect rave Status: On Sun, 24 Oct 1993, Bob Baxter wrote: > This is a rather silly question, but what, in your opinion, would > constitute a perfect rave? Well, the venue would be the Sheffield City Hall ballroom, there would be the BIGGEST sound rig imaginable, upwards of 50 real K, loadsa cool lasers etc etc as for the DJ line up... DJs: PAs: Derrick May LFO Franck De Wulf Aphex Twin Richard James F.U.S.E Jeff Mills Terrace Asterix & Space (warm up) I'm not sure about the PAs; I think they tend to interupt the flow of things. I might have them in an equally well equipped adjoining room. All the ravers would be clued up and attitude free and not too many of them ie 2000. And of course right at the end, I'd get off with the fit bird I've been eying up all night....:) :) greggy303 [snapping out of contemplation :(] 3030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303 303 Greg Eden, Physics Department | g.l.eden@ncl.ac.uk 303 303 Herschel Building, University of Newcastle |303 Forever. Long live Acid!303 3030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303 From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 08:50:39 1993 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 11:50:46 -0400 Subject: Re: (another) pre-casper dinner party... Status: please please please please......if anyone is comign anywhere near boston for this i really really really would love a ride i want to see you all and i cannot go to casper.... if you can do it *smooch* i'd either get picked up in harvard square (cambridge btw) at 4 pm....(from work) or in boston at 5 pm (my dorm or wherever you want me to meet up, i have a t pass) i can take a shuttle bus or soemthing back after i am sure....or if people have room in their cars and could bring me closer to my dorm it would be great! but that can be decided at the dinner... :) thanks all neith ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 09:32:29 1993 From: "John Speakman" Date: 25 Oct 93 12:30:00 EST Subject: The Orb, NYC Status: I was there too! I agree about the lack of a vibe in the crowd, I just kept allowing myself to be pushed back rather than hassled, also while the music was tippy-top of course the Orb set was somehow a bit of a disappointment. I was completely exhausted having had hardly any sleep the previous night (sorry for being a bit untalkative, Mike - that was why - thanks for the CD). But part of the deal was that the orb just don't play music to go apeshit crazy to anyway, do they... We left quite soon after the Orb finished, didn't seem to be much of a vibe in the big hall (although the jazzy grooves downstairs were jumpin'). Anyone go to the afterhours? Where was it? Couldn't see any flyers for it or anything. Sorry for not having caught up with more of you, will try to be more with it at Maskarave. John. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 10:10:14 1993 From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 13:18:45 EDT Subject: Tidbit about the "rave movie" Status: First of all, a job interview in Pallisades NY, allowed me to vacation in NYC -- so I went skating at the Roxy on Wednesday, bought the Orb ticket at Irving Place on Thursday, interviewed on Friday, went to Caffine Friday night, and onto the Orb concert Saturday. They really packed the place! I need some dancing room and I don't like pushing for it, so I had a mixed time. Caffine was more vibefull for me. Now the tidbit -- NY Times Style section (pg 4) ran a sort blurb on the remodeled Tunnel club in NYC. Peter Gatien owns it. He was the executive producer of "A Bronx Tale". He is now involved in a movie about raves that he hopes will be "a Saturday Night Fever" for the 90's. I infer that this this the same movie being done about Moby. Loving NYC, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 10:14:01 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 12:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NYC Orb Set List? Status: On Sun, 24 Oct 1993, Michael Hauben wrote: > people playing? I thought I had read on this list(orb) that there > was supposed to be a basist and a drummer? yup...there was a guy playing bass guitar through much of the set.. flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 11:09:59 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: O R B Status: Well, not much more I can add to all that. Great seeing all the ne-ravers out in force, and the ne-raves sticker plastered on the door as we went in. Nice meeting some of you folkz that I havent before...cmellow, michael, jason, jshiple etc etc. I think my highlight was meeting Alex Pattersons parents :). At the beginning on the night, I noticed an older couple leaning on the barrier at the front of the stage. They were both wearing sweatshirts that had a logo that looked like the presidential seal on it but underneath it said "U.F.ORB" Then, when the Orb came out, they waved at him madly and he gave the a cute smile back :). They were so great to watch - they stayed up all through the first DJ sets and nodded their heads/tapped their feet to the beats coming out those huge speakers...they were really into it :). I finally went up and asked them about the shirts they were wearing and they seemed very happy, almost embarassed, when I told them how much I loved what the Orb was doing :) heh. much fun.... thanks again for a great weekend, to fish for the dinner, phil Z for the music, and grant for the endless laughs.... _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 11:13:13 1993 From: LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 14:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the orb (my two cents) Status: first things first: the orb, in itself, was absolutly amazing. having said that,i have to mention theat the REST of the show/event/moneymaking extravaganza seemed a bit lacking to me... i dunno. maybe it was the $3 sodas. maybe it was the people almost spilling beer on me. maybe it was all the tall people in 6-inch-high platform pumas blocking my view. maybe it was the anal security people. maybe it was the woman in spiked (!) heels who stepped on my foot.... my point? if this was just an event and not an orb concert, i probably would have been a little annoyed at the whole thing. people have already written in on the apparent lack of a vibe-i have to disagree. the vibe i got was blatent commercialism from the way this was set up. the $22 tickets, the pink-wigged smart bar people, the beer, the ban on passing out flyers (which i thought was weird in that i have never seen more obvious marijuana use than this noght, and the security didnt care about THAT. hmmmm), and the aftermentioned $3 sodas totally ruined the "family" feeling that i look for. this seemed like a circus. thankfully, the orb rose above this hype (and also rose above the, in my opinion, mediocre dj's). first of all, they didnt shortchange us on tunes, playing a quality 2 1/2 hr. set. the lights were fantastic from where i was standing, though someone told me they werent that impressive up close. the lights also presented a problem: i tend to sway about with my eyes closed when i hear the orb...oh well. i forced myself to look :) coolest part of the set: they used the entire theme to "a clockwork orange" as the intro to "blue room". i was lovin' that ("a nice warm vibraty feeling all through your guttywuts"):) funnyest/most annoying part of the set: the guy in front of me who, i dunno , thought it was a def leppard show or something....you just dont start yelling out "YEAAAAH!" and "GO GO GO" at an orb show...i thought he was going to break out with a big "ROCK 'N ROLL!!!" :) other notes of interest: the vip section must be sacred ground, because the security guard guarded it like gold...another security guard pounced on me for handing out flyers: "WHO TOLD YOU YOU COULD PASS THOSE OUT????" (like it made a difference to the roseland if i passed out flyers for my tape and our next event in Richmond. the roseland isnt even a club) of course, i answered, "uhmmm...god told me to hand them out" heehee. by that point i only had about 10 left anyway, so what did i care if sehe took them away? i saw a nyc taxicab with a crosshairs as a hood ornament...:P now, i'd like to thank all the people i met/saw at the pre-dinner and at the show....fish, fluid, phil z, grant, fran, regis and the michigan crew, cmellow, jeannie, my friend john for the ticket, paul, tom c.,mars, and everyone else....it was cool. ate burmese food for the first time, too :) i have a very good recollection of the night, go if anyone wants any more details (such as set lists), email me.... -jason/method one "scene but not herd" From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 11:36:43 1993 From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 14:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: APHEX/MOBY/ORBITAL.... Status: ....is anyone goinig to this event this Sat in NYC?....Where the hell is New York Colliseum? SquiggleMan From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 11:38:09 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 14:36:50 EDT Subject: BOYCOTT Status: With reference to Planet X ....... Don't boycott any store that sells vynil because there aren't that many left My worst fear is that someday I won't be able to fulfill my vynil needs... Keep vynil alive! nuff said TOM From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 11:40:29 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 14:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the orb (my two cents) Status: There's not much to be said about the Orb show that hasn't been said already, but... > coolest part of the set: they used > the entire theme to "a clockwork orange" as the intro to "blue room". i was > lovin' that ("a nice warm vibraty feeling all through your guttywuts"):) I loved that too, being a long-time Clockwork Orange groupie. I was really hoping they'd take it the rest of the way into the movie so we'd hear, "There was me, that is Alex, and my three droogs..." -Ed From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 12:47:25 1993 From: "John Speakman" Date: 25 Oct 93 15:51:00 EST Subject: APHEX/MOBY/ORBITAL... Status: >....is anyone goinig to this event this Sat in NYC?....Where the hell >is New York Colliseum? Yeah, me and some o'my gang are going.... it's near Columbus Circle (S.W. corner of Central Park). I have never been in but a friend says that it's farking enormous, like they have boat shows in it and stuff and allegedly the roof slides open (!) - he says it must hold 15000 people easily. If they are using all of the place, it sounds an interesting venue for it... John. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 13:06:11 1993 From: hart@ntmtv.com (Chris Hart) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 11:51:48 PDT Subject: Re: "Cyberia" #10 programming guide and U Network affiliates Status: hello, What is this:-> "Cyberia" #10 programming guide and U Network affiliates ? Chris (This text composed by voice) From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 13:49:41 1993 From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 16:49:28 EDT Subject: ideal rave... Status: VENUE: summer: huge field of green grass, surrounded by a forest. a medieval-type bazaar with lots of booths and flags and exotic cloths all over. in another side of the field a huge roaring bonfire blazes through the night, surrounded by a hundred ravers beating out polyrythms on every time of percussive intrument. in another end of the field, a huge covered stage, packed with a carefully planned arsenal of lighting eq. and to either side of the stage, speaker stacks that tower into the night. 5000 people max. winter: an audatorium with REALLY high ceilings like BLUE or ESSENCE I. no venders. no smartbar. nothing except the bare essentials: two HUGE walls of speakers. a smoke machine mounted right next to a green laser, at a hight as low as possible, so that it shoots right out over the crowd...if you were at the NewYear's Catastrophic, you know what i'm getting at...goldscan III's mounted right up near the ceiling shooting down out of the smoke. the ceiling must not be visible; use darkness and smoke to accomplish this. free water and clean bathrooms. DJ's: (in order) overload james christian denard osheen bob bentley 333 PA: dubtribe onionz dante dale charles robby hardkiss AT MY IDEAL RAVE, EVERYONE WHO CAME WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE AT A CERTAIN TIME. THEN THE DOORS WOULD BE CLOSED. THIS WAY, EVERYONE WOULD BE TOGETHER FOR THE ENTIRE RIDE. when everyone was inside, it would be silent and dark. then, and only then, would the music begin. dreaming... shannon. P.S. i think casper has the potential to be the craziest, mind blowing event yet... i am sweating with anticipation....see you there... From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 13:53:52 1993 From: mhv@eagle.hr.att.com (Marshal Villarosa) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 16:50:44 EDT Subject: "Journey" Review Status: Cybertribe, It was great to see those of you that could make it out to the Journey at the Roseland on Saturday. I wish my friend Gabriela and I would have made it to the Bermese place for dinner, but at least I caught you guys before you left the restaraunt. We got to the Roseland a little before ten, so the doors hadn't opened yet. Soon, the line got really long, so long that I ran out of the measly number of Timewarp fliers that I had. Does anyone know the capacity of the Roseland or how many people showed up? All I heard was that it was sold out. Once inside, I was really impressed by how they had everything set up. All the fans with flourescent paint on them were amazing and kept it nice and cool in the back of the dance floor. Alex Patterson and I think someone else was up first playing some good trance. The dance floor got so crowded that it was hard to find enough room to move. On a side stage where there was VIP seating they had these sheets of plastic with water running down them. There was also a plexiglass box filled with water that had a little fountain going in it. Cool as well. Once the Orb got started they held my interest for about 25 minutes before boredom set in. A half an hour later, I went to the back to hang out. There was a chinese food stand which I think has been the coolest idea ever. During the course of the night, I became good friends with the Asian man running it and had enough soda, Vegetable lo mein, and french fries to get me totally stuffed. DB and Keoki were hanging out in the back and I talked to DB about Maskarave2. He was telling me about all this shit they are planning on doing, and I can't remember any of it now. I think he was saying something about a room of video screens. Which reminds me, someone wrote asking about the Collusium. That's where Essence 3 was held about a month and a half ago. It's a convention center place and really big and wide open. I went back onto the main floor for the end of the Orb's set and when they had finished playing, Adam X came on and spun some acidic tracks. His set was pretty good, but only got like a quarter of the crowd moving. I think most of the people there thought they were just supposed to watch or some- thing. After that, Repete took over and played fast Rotterdam hardcore for the next half hour until Micro replaced him to do another set of hardcore. Monotonous, but at least it cleared some floor space. Too bad I left the floor as well. I went downstairs and wondered why the hell I hadn't been there all night. The Giant Step DJs were spinning sooper phat acid jazz/hip hop/retro cuts and I was going off. I had felt no energy up to that point but that totally kicked it off. It was so hot downstairs, though, that I only stayed down there for around 45 minutes before heading back up to the cooler main room. At this point the music was amazing: hard trance spun by none other than Nasa dj Mr.Kleen. The lights were awesome and very warm colored. There was actually space to dance on the main floor and I did until they shut down the sound system on Kleen and security started yelling at everyone to start clearing out. So to rap it up, whoever set up the line up did a terrible job and caused the night to lack any continuity whatsoever from DJ to live act to DJ to DJ. The Giant Step DJs were the best as well as Mr. Kleen's closing set. If you didn't go to the afterparty (and I know none of you were there), you missed out on a fun time, too bad. I had a really good time there as well. The afterparty was across the street from the Roseland at the Lonestar and was $6 to get in with your ticket stub from the concert. Keoki, Soul Slinger, and some others mixed some good stuff there. There were four I-Beams there and they made the place look really good and the sound system was really clear. It reminded me a lot of what Caffiene's main room is like. There was an upstairs where a lot of people were crashing. We left around 9:30am. It was great to see all of the NE-Ravers there and shout outs to Chris Mellow, fish, Grant, Brendan, Jason, Jeannie, Fluid, Fran, Chuck, Jane, Phil,& enzyme. Peace, Mars From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 15:29:11 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 18:28:17 EDT Subject: Ideal raves Status: ON the subject of ideal raves, I probably already experienced it. So gather around me and I'll tell you the story.................... I was spending the summer with relatives in Stockholm, Sweden, about 3 summers ago. Just when the scene was really picking up there. Rave tickets are sold and promoted through underground record stores just as they are here. Anyway the flyers stated that one should go to the Royal technological University, an obvious play on the "techno" word because once you got there you found out that the rave was not at the university but at another location and you should get on a free bus that was waiting to be filled with ravers. This was obviously a BIG production because they had a few buses standing there waiting for people. Not regular buses either these where the extra long buses with the acccordion thing making really big. ONce the bus was filled the the bus driver took off top speed. I realized soon enough that the bus driver was trying to lose kids who had shown up in their own cars and didn't feel like buying tickets to the rave. So the bus went straight for the central bus station through it without stopping then about 5 blocks later the bus made a quick u turn. I saw all the people in the chase cars watch in asstonishment as the bus they were following was going the oppositte direction. The driver then got out on the highway were he stayed for about 20 minutes. After that he got on the loudspeaker and said he forgot were the rave was and somebody who went last time should help him. Din't he know that raves are ussually not held at the same place twice? At this point everybody on the bus is shitting bricks and worrying that the bus driver is a crazed maniac. THe bus driver gets off the highway and is making quick lefts and rights through small country roads. Not soon enough the bus driver says "Alright everybody get the fuck off my bus, I forgot where to go" As you got off the bus you saw this trail, well everybody just started to walk it so I followed. (symbolic isn't it?) We walked for about 5 minutes in the thick woods then we saw the light. As you came towards the light you realized that it was the headlights of a parked truck. So all you saw were headlights but as you got beyond the glare of the headlights you realize that the thick woods had become a huge field and across that field you saw multicolored lasers filling the night sky. The rest of the rave seemed pretty routine but the rave itself for me was the adventure in getting there........... The newspapers the next day said there had been an illegal gathering in the woods, but the cops had decided not to bust it because so many people had showed up. (How nice!) The newspapers also stated that everybody there danced to one and the same song all night long "Cubic 22-Night in Motion" Untrue but still an appropriate song for that night. TOM From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 15:49:22 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 18:49:08 EDT Subject: Perfect Rave Status: On Sun, 24 Oct 1993, Bob Baxter wrote: > This is a rather silly question, but what, in your opinion, would > constitute a perfect rave? TIME: 11pm-10am+ LOCATION: In the summer time, no other but the B2B/NMS spot under the Whitestone or in winter, a warehouse location with plenty of tucked away corners where 4+ speaker stacks can be placed. The other stacks placed center and rear. LIGHTS: a few dim strings of light around the perimeter. Many blacklights Perhaps a strobe or two pointed away from the crowd. Many dimly lit wall shows of various trippy stuff. Maybe some I-beams on the opposite side of where I want to hang. MUSIC: Ambient Trance quickly ramping to Harder and Harder Trance with a SOLID prime time of HARDCORE BROOKLYN STYLE which comes down over the course of two DJs to SUPER HARD DEEEEEEP TRANCE and perhaps a final HARDCORE 1/2 hour to finish off the morning right! :) DJs: Lenny Dee, Adam X, Jimmy Crash, Carlos, Richie Hawtin, Mr. Kleen, Repete, Damon Wild, Sven Vath and whomever else they can bring from Germany. A good list of supporting local and up and coming HARD TRANCE and HARDCORE Djs. SOUND: Not a sound person, so don't expect technical jargon, but... Big, BIG, HUGE CLEAN sound. I'd say, put the STORM, NEBULA III, STOP and CYBERTEK systems together and that should just about do it. VIBE: HARD CORE vibe from HARD CORE people who want nothing but the loss of self in the continuum of the music. A crowd that joins souls at the most sacred level of musical oneness. PEOPLE: No attitude. No club kids. Nobody who uses a rave for a fashion show, a dance contest, or as a way of massaging their insecurities with delusions of senior importance. Anywhere from 100-800 happy groovin' techno junkies. An ENGERY PIT of intense dancing joined by the common thread of the positive love of HARDCORE and TRANCE. Ahhhhh... Many parties have come VERY close. STOP, Sept. 92 STORM, CYBERTEK... dave. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 16:14:30 1993 From: Oz Lubling Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 19:16:42 -0500 (EDT) Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: well, I agree with the descriptions given by everyone about what a perfect rave would/should be like, except for the dj list. here is mine in no particular order: Laurent Garnier Sven Vath Kid Paul Paul Van Dyk Tanith Marco Zaffarano Pascal F.E.O.S DJ Edge live PA's: resistance D Cosmic Baby Spicelab btw, for all you casper people planning to come down. I spoke to one of the promoters tonight and he informed me that the event is selling out. believe it or not, it is. I called one of the places that is selling here in boston and they have sold out of tickets. I'd assume that they won't refuse people who arrive at casper and want to go in, but the lines will probably be huge. GET YOUR TICKETS AS SOON AS YOU CAN. you'll thank me later. I'm really looking forward to it. and looking forward to seeing all of You! oz p.s. rumor: 5 buses coming from montreal! From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 16:36:56 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 19:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ideal rave... Status: no smart bar shannon? :( why no smart bar? jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 16:42:36 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 19:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: maskarave2 Status: Well, who is actually going to maskarave this weekend? So far I know of.... ___________________________________________________________ jennifer smeddy(me)......... smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu mars....................................... mhv0@Lehigh.edu alex.............................. agrranov@msc.cornell.edu ___________________________________________________________ anyone else??????? Jennifer Smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 16:56:25 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 19:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: ok...my turn. I think everyone seems to agree with the setting, but the DJs? well: (in no particular order) Richard James (Cornwall, UK) Jeff Mills (Chicago) Josh Wink (Philly) Dante (NY) Garth (SanFran) Onionz (LI) Richie Hawtin (+8 Detorit) Scott Henry (DC) and if I *had* to throw in some PA's: Aphex Twin Irresistable Force FUSE and just for fun, chill-out DJs: Dr Alex Patterson (UK) Entity (Ultraworld) :) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 17:20:06 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 20:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: jake!!! Status: jake thank you for the ride and all!!!! write me with your address! my mail can back that was addressed to you privately :( oh yeah...I found a ride to Color Box :) but not a ride back :( Hope to see everyone at Maskarave! Jennifer Smeddy From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 17:25:43 1993 From: donato@world.std.com (Donato A Miranda) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 20:25:30 -0400 Subject: casper tix (was Re: perfect rave) Status: got casper tix sunday at allston beat on newbury st. bought 4 of them. and some guys behind us bought more. not sold out yet! (get them early to save the 3 bucks, anyway :)) donato From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 17:26:06 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 20:26:00 EDT Subject: stuff and nonsense Status: two things: Dave McMahon -- who are you, dude? you've been to both the B2B/NMS and Cybertek, but I don't think I've met you. I try to make it a point to meet as many net-ravers as possible at events, so next time you're out, don't hide (unless you're leary of a guy named after marine life :) Jason/Method-1 - that's pretty fucked up about them objecting to you passing out flyers, especially since there were dozens of flyers for all kinds of shit being passed out at the event .. trying to tell me ALL of those people were doing it illegally? The attitude of the Roseland's employees really needs some adjustment if they intend to hold more raves at this place. oh well peace and future goodvibes O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 18:17:22 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 21:08:01 -0400 Subject: 2CB + E + THE ORB = ?????? Status: Hey Folks, OK, so this is pretty wierd but its part of some stuff that a few friends of mine in Oz and I keep sending to each other to ( sort of ) describe what we get up to in various parts of the world. It attempts to give the feel for the ORB concert some chemicals & I recently attended in New York city. For those of you who wondered what 2CB and E were like, well, this is how it seemed for me. Sure, it was heaps better and there was more to it but this pretty well says it all without the clinical analysis type postings we've been experiencing ( yeah, like my first one on Sunday after I woke up :). Hope you enjoy it, I had fun just remembering it all as I typed it in :) Grant --------8<-----------------------8< CUT HERE >8---------------->8---------- All around him is dark yet he can sense the many people he shares the space with. His hands raise above his head and the laser pops flash as he presses the buttons with his complaining, over-worked fingers. Someone must be getting his signal, here or in another land, another dimension, a place where even now the sun is shining and the air is warm... He has gathered together with like-minded folk to worship shared gods. They are gathered close to the front of a large hall in the lee of a great dias, monolithic towers looming on either side. A movement on the raised platform draws his attention as he again ignores the sweat running over his body from his manik exertions during the previous bout of music. His vision blurs from the 2CB he has consumed in epic quantities, his gestalt grows to surround those around him as the E he has also recently taken makes contact with the ids of other partakers of the blessed E. A lithe figure beside him returns his grin - who could she be???... The movement becomes figures as two gurus approach their respective altars, priests ready to sacrifice to the great god of techno - arcane idols are placed around the altars, a chicken and some sheep. A beanie wearing head appears over the edge of the altar on the left and its hands are raised - to the right, another figure seems to be doing the same. Discs of some bizzare plastic substance are placed on the altar and the priests of Techno begin their ritual - music swirls and sounds emerge. The crowd screams and the trance begins as more and more people join the rapidly increasing numbers of space cadets, launching to a higher orbit. Lights flash and the music lifts, carries, drags the listener into greater and greater stages of bliss. Forgotten words are exchanged with those around him as auras of pure joy increase around his being. The crowd sways and people moan, screaming out in joy as familiar riffs and samples boom out from the massive towers around the altars. He is joining in, his laser pops flashing and waving, disappearing into his mouth as he sucks greedily on the watermelon candy, its light illuminating his cheeks. Above him, the priests are engrossed in their rituals as discs are spun and exchanged... Suddenly a crackle and the sound distorts somewhat, never becoming the same again as the assistants to the priests become over-zealous in their attempts to overwhelm & entrance the adoring crowd below... Looking at the lights, his head back, and the 2CB cuts in again, his mind stepping even further out of his body, only to be bought back lovingly by the music to find his body swaying and feet moving to the groove... Again and again he soars to higher orbits as he shares the adventure with those around him. The music peaks and his body goes with it, his mind engrossed in the images and sensations surrounding him... Lights flare around him and he is bathed in their glow, bizzare images that do not seem real leaping into view, burned forever into his retinas... Higher and higher he soars in his capsule, sharing grins with those around him, all engrossed in the vibes the priests are producing from their altars... Suddenly, it is over. It has lasted for ever but was over in seconds. He wonders why it can't go on - thunderous roars as the priests step back from their altars, their tasks done, as another soul steps forward to take their place. The crowd dies down, many turn to leave, and as the music starts up again, he begins to dance harder than before the show, harder than he ever has before, as the incredible energy he has stored up during his worship is released through his feet and hands. The crowd parts, many join the dancing, but some begin to leave. Eventually the music changes and the vibe has broken, never to really return, it is gone, lost, but it will return on another night... He grabs a drink of water and washes his parched throat, standing on the side of the crowd watching, wishing he had the energy to get into the hardcore. Eventually it returns and after time spent mumbling with friends off the floor ( a floor where the vibe has turned ugly and the crowd is pushing, hogging their space and hating those around them ), he rejoins a somewhat emptier, happier floor and begins dancing to the beat once again, not as ecstatic as before, but the energy is there to use... He finds himself standing, the residuals of the 2CB washing over him. It makes him want to hug and cuddle but there is no-one there he feels comfortable with, his friends are scattered and the others in the crowd are strangers, he has no desire to make a fool of himself or screw up someone else's night, so he keeps his desires to himself, pulls inwards and watches, feeling a little sorry for himself... Suddenly, a friend is before him waving wildly "Come on, you Ozzie bastard!" and he is dragged back into the centre of the floor, pointed in the direction of the dias. SHOCK! One of the altars has been removed and a new guru stands at the remaining slab, spinning music he can move to. He grins at his friend as the smoke rolls over them and the lights flash around. His laserpops shine beams of light through the cloud and he begins to move his hands madly around him, sending shafts of color out through the mist. Happiness returns thanks to the music and his friend, he dances on until the music stops, the plug is pulled and the crowd is cheering the guru, sharing his anger at the rude method used to end his act... Eyes blinking wearily, it is 6:15am and he is one of the last to leave. His friends are nowhere in sight and the queue for the after- hours stretches before him across the street. He can remember all he has seen, heard and felt, almost every minute of the 7 hours can be recalled, but it all seems so short, why can't it go on forever? The vibe is gone and he has things to do later today, he starts walking down Broadway and by 7:30, he has arrived at the World Trade Center where his friend's appartment awaits.... From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 18:57:40 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 21:53:22 EDT Subject: CASPER meeting Status: maybe this has already been proposed,... adn i missed it... but.. seeing as casper is so huge of a space... we should pick a time and place to all meet up... those who have a flyer see that there is a map on it.. of the amusement park.. perhaps we can choose one specific spot.. and a relatively early time... for example: nr the loop de loop rollercoaster @ midnight or seomthing like that.. is this a good idea? bad idea? >>taylor808 ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 19:54:10 1993 From: Daft Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 22:53:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Planet X Prob Status: hey ed, personally i think spike took offense at your calling his sound system "second-string", and just walking out. perhaps you shouldve asked the kid if hed mind getting off the table and you were there first... and if the kids sense of decency was not there, you could appeal to Spike. Kreig From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 20:05:12 1993 From: Poseur Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 23:05:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ji Oobu Status: yes myohmy that orb show was one dandy fine 20 piece bucket from KFC, and we're talking spicy not original flavor know what im saying =) but i wont bore you with more details. anyway, i was blind that nite (my glasses broke a few days before--no spare--so my 20/200 eyes denied me a little happiness) so to those of you i knew, and looked straight at, and walked on, i didnt recognize you! as it was i did see mikebee and alan, for a short time. thanx for introducing me to your friend, mike ;) i liked it. the set was nice; i agree the vibe was a little spotty. too many alties, perhaps. i just ticked over at the stage left speakers in oblivion. then Adam X's set was good, but after well... repete and micro's gabba just left me cold. mainly cuz of the crowd, who semi-moshed but in general were asses during this set. so i retreated downstairs, sat for a while, then spent the better part of an hour trying to find my friends while being completely unable to recognize them unless i stuck my face in theirs. fun fun what i pieced together later, and which was the cause of the show's early demise, was that some guy (on acid) had a girlfriend who shot heroin and started getting messed badly. he freaked, on the stairs, and threw a security guard down the stairs. outside and after, he threw a tantrum then got in the ambulance. nice clean living. after headingg to the deli to orangejuiceify (this is definitely the thing for a danced-out body) i bid adieu to half of my friends who headed back to one's apt. and with the friends i drove down with went to the afterhours. hey Mars, didn't see me? perhaps i look very different without glasses =) well, anyway, this was excellent. better than tthe show, djwise. held in a restaurantt which seemed like someplace your family would have a sunday dinner together. Reese was up first but keptt fucking up for some reason. and Soul Slinger played breaks, which was a real surprise and felt oddly good. the other djs played a mix of garage, trance, funk and acid-jazz that was mit-e fine. left about 10.00 AM so in closing blahblahblah, sorry i couldnt meet anyone, all that jazz Peace, Poseur Kreig From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 21:26:32 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 0:28:58 EDT Subject: Re: Perfect Rave Status: > > > On Sun, 24 Oct 1993, Bob Baxter wrote: > > > This is a rather silly question, but what, in your opinion, would > > constitute a perfect rave? > *part deleted* > > Many parties have come VERY close. STOP, Sept. 92 STORM, CYBERTEK... > > > dave. > well not actually getting into the perfect rave talk, but going slightly off subject There was one rave last year my favorite rave, cause it was almost perfect... Revelation on Dec. 26th 1992. The Atmosphere: Amazing. Everyone into the music and the vibe. (especially everyone eating up the hardcore! A sight to behold) The Lights: Well Done and effective. The Space: Warehouse location in Brooklyn. It was cold as f*ck outside bu nice and tosty inside. The DJ's: I dont remember the exacts, but dey was gud. It had problems with the cops and was alsmost shut down at 1, then again at 3 then finally it was at 5, when they turned on the lights, but everyone kept dancing anyways :) it was amazing, everyone was dancing, people into the vibe, extremely friendly and nice all. close as perfect can get... (well there was the rave on the streets on NYC the next weekend, and Liquid Holiday and post liquid and Ultraworld 2 and 3) *sigh* what ever happened to the scene of last nov-jan? doug ))))) love follows the rave ((((( dz5401a@american.edu dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 21:46:36 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 0:46:22 EDT Subject: cyber-pix Status: hi kids, good mr. mellow has been kind enough to scan the following pix for us from the ali baba's/cybertech event recently: 1 - Me, Laura and Mark 2 - Mark, Mike (inhuman), Phil (dozing), Laura from VA and the bodies of Dan and Fluid in the background 3 - Laura and Lenny Dee (i am told) 4 - post-rave pic -- bob, fluid, dan, jenn-bug, mark, phil, mike and laura and laura (VA) 5 - NE-raves Pre-Essence picnic poster 6 - phil, laura, ed and eileen at ali baba's restaurant 7 - me at ali baba's 8 - mark and bob at ali baba's the reason i'm listing these out is because i want to get everyone's (or at least those who respond by the end of the week) consent to release these pix to the public for ftp. they are currently in a hidden directory on techno. what i would like for you to do is to email me if you have any objections or would like to preview the pic (i will tell you the location in private). Specifically, pix #1,2,3,4,6, and 8 need input. thanks ps. please get back to me soon. O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 22:43:55 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 1:46:14 EDT Subject: Casper crash space Status: Hey all, I was wondeing if it be possible that the car that im driving up in this weekend for Casper if anyone has crash space toey can offer possilby for a few tired souls before trecking down again to DC? if anyone can email me please! We an't picky. Anyhting warm, dry is fin nuff. :) thanks doug ) ( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 23:12:35 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 2:10:41 EDT Subject: casper rides nEEEEEEded Status: sprockett here, with a desperate cry for help my car's transmission just made close, intimate friends with a Boston pothole. and left me in a lerch. Now two friends and I have no transportation to or from casper. can anyone help us out? Even if you can just squeeze one of us in, we'd really appreciate it! help me please!!! I need a fix........last "rave" was sputnik 3 mail me at kumquat@acs.bu.edu we're in boston. thanks!!!!! sprockett From ne-raves-owner Mon Oct 25 23:39:39 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 2:37:45 EDT Subject: ENTROPIC update Status: We hare at SLUDJ are pleased to present: ENTROPIC Pure Premium NOT from Concentrate NET 5000 FL. WATTS with Musical Marauders Dale Charles, Boston Beat Tau, MoodFood Sprockett, Abyss:New York Mood, The Loft:Boston M GEE, The Loft:Boston Dag, United Kingdom & others as yet unconfirmed This is a two part event. Part 1 -- 9:30 pm, Back Bay, Boston...a 2,000 sq.ft. space completely legal and FDA approved ;) Part 2 -- 12:00midnight, shuttle busses run all participants to second location in South Boston...a 10,000sq.ft.arena to worship the Techno and House Gods. Admission = $3.00 for part one $5.00 for part two admission to part one gets free shuttle to part two. (part two will go until sunrise) *UNCONFIRMED* Smart Bar by Zoom of Allentown of Pennsylvania Visuals and Graphics by the same that did ELEVATION Up To Date Info @ (617) 353-9804 (617) 352-6939 kumquat@acs.bu.edu Brought to you by Boston Beat Records, SLUDJ, MoodFood, and MEANDHER Saturday, 11.6.93 thanks y'all sprockett From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 00:12:32 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 21:14:00 -0500 Subject: Perfect rave Status: On 10-25-93, FRANCIS L SIBILLA wrote to DAVID DARROW: FLS> > > This is a rather silly question, but what, in your opinion, FLS> would > > constitute a perfect rave? > > SEASON: Mid-summer, temps FLS> in the 60's > > PLACE: Outdoors in a large field, woods, hilly FLS> knoll > mostly clear starry night with some clouds for f/x > FLS> far from civilization but close enough for convenience > the FLS> dance space is a soft grassy area, decorations > are placed to FLS> complement the natural surroundings > > MUSIC: every kind of FLS> house/techno imaginable, spread out > evenly. the music is large, FLS> loud and clear all night > > LIGHTING: also, well designed to play FLS> off the natural surroundings > > CROWD: Every net-raver from FLS> around the world present and > accounted for :) > Vibeful, FLS> happy, friendly folks from around the planet > demonstrating that FLS> they really do believe in P.L.U.R. > by their actions on and off FLS> the dance space > > PRICE: free, but donations are accepted and FLS> freely given > > COPS: none :) > > Am I describing, the NMS/B2B FLS> party? well, almost :) > > Peace, lovelies! > > self for not bring camera to that rave :( :( > > FLS> FLS> Except for EVERY net-raver in existence and Free - The above FLS> description pretty much explains Ultraworld Goes Wild! FLS> FLS> Which in addition to the above comments even includes a positive FLS> experience for the locals (at U8 families brought out their kids to FLS> play in the pool and moonbounce, and some locals and all the food FLS> pavilion people hung out and seemed to have a good time) I was thinking the exact same thing when I read the original description by Rishad J. Quazi. Ultraworld put up a great event, and the camp people were all really cool. Well the facilities could have been a bit nicer, but it was only 2 nights and a nice hot shower and comfortable bed were waiting only a few hours away at my sisters house. With the mixture of rave people and camp people, those that weren't instantly identifyable as ravers (no grunge-wear, like us) were usually asked "are you here for the rave" in a freindly manner. Everyone was cool, we met new friends, and we have since run into net people and rave people that were there and had nothing but good things to say about it. I would definately attribute the raising of my interest in the scene from a casual interest to a waxing dedication singlehandedly to this event. thanx UW. Fran, did I meet you there at the smartbar and t-shirt table? Oh, also: we're not going to casper and Moby/Orbital/AphexTwin in Philly, we're going to NYC for Maskarave, so I guess dinner's off. d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 00:27:26 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 03:27:01 -0400 Subject: Tales of Ephidrina by Amorphous Androgynous Status: Hey Folks, Picked this one up while in Manhattan and listened to it while "climbing" the Empire State Building - added to the "event" :) Alright, who knows what the hell was sampled on Track 7??? It's a wailing, falling off sound that's 1) beautiful and 2) I've heard before. The track is called Fat Cat. I obtained a "blurb" sheet on the disc from Astralwerks in the mail ( ahh, the Joys of being on the Caroline label's mailing list :) which says: Transport your imagination on-line to discover fractal planes. A year ago, The Future Sound of London took the international dance community by storm last year with their "Papua New Guinea" single and Accelerator album. Dance aficionados came up with the term "intelligent techno" to describe their progressive stream- of-conciousness approach. A year later and FSoL present the dance community with a new challenge: Amorphous Androgynous. Tales of Ephidrina is one of avenues by which FSoL are exploring the converging fields of Electronic Music - Film & Graphics - Artificial Intelligence. Tales of Ephidrina is a side trip to the far side of "intelligent techno" which finds parallels the work of Aphex Twin, The Orb and the music compiled on Caroline's Excursions in Ambience. The 12 tracks on the album are an eclectic mixture of trancey propulsions, tribal beats, beautiful flamenco guitar figures, world-beat elements, dub logic and ambient textures, all seamlessly fused together with interludes of "Environments". Whew, what a bloody mouthful :) All up, this is a cool disc but may not appeal to some - I guess it's sort of ambient but hell, I just love to jack it in and go - it won't kick you into a higher gear but it may help you reach a higher plane :) Grant P.S. Also from this crowd is the House of Acid Jazz disc which Chris picked up a month ago when he came down to visit. A cool disc that he really enjoyed listening to until it ( and his stereo ) got stolen out of his car around the corner from my place. THe disc case & cover are sitting on my wall as a memento of the entire event... From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 00:32:10 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 03:26:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Perfect Rave Status: The Vibe folks, that's all ya need... Have a great vibe and the venue / sound will follow. People will put up with quite a bit if everyone's happy and loving, grooving to the beat, etc... Of course, in light of my previous posts and my general stance on life, free E, 2CB, Coke, Speed and Weed would be a major bonus to my idea of a "perfect rave" :) Well, you had to ask now, didn't ya :) Grant From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 00:33:39 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 03:33:35 -0400 Subject: 3:30am on about 90.3FM Status: Hey Gang, It's about 3:30am Tuesday morning and I'm tuned to 90.3 or so on the old clock radio and they're playing neat trance on the radio with NO DJ's being assholes like that other week when Oz, Jeannie and I were listening in between 10pm and midnight. Wow, lots of stuff of PROBE, etc... OK, so who's up around now - I know I'm not normally, but for those naughty people with big tape units in Boston, tune in, turn on, tape out and then edit away the next day. Viola, some nifty mix tapes you may not otherwise have. No recommendations and I'd *NEVER* do this ( I've already got half this stuff on CD anyhow :)..... Sleep well folks :) Grant From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 03:12:19 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 06:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: First Casper list of people.... Status: **************************************************************************** UM - DE - NE RAVES CASPER LIST **************************************************************************** Here is the first list..... If hopefully others can offer rides or crash space, please mail me within the next two days so that we can start to beg for rides and such. Please also mail me any new or missing information and Wed night I'll put out the second list.....hope all of this proves helpful... Melanie aka One Grooovy Coconut ----------------------------------------------------------------- Key: O-can offer a ride and the number they can offer | N-In need of a ride | C-Can offer crash space | R-In need of crash space | H-Has a ride | blank only means it wasn't included in the mail. | ----------------------------------------------------------------- CITY, STATE RIDE CRASH NAME LOGIN ADDRESS DESCRIPTION Albany,NY H nate goldbn rpi.edu striped shorts, FRESH JIVE tee Boston,Mass O1 Oz Lubling ol cs.brandeis.edu DC O1 Shelly mh6221a american.edu CP, MD H Hector hwyman wam.umd.edu Bayonne,NJ N Fiend 6ANTHONY_M spcvxa.spc.edu Cleveland,OH H China chinagrrrl delphi.com Pitts. Mike inhuman cmu.edu Pitts. Tom djbit CP,MD N R Melanie melzie wam.umd.edu Virginia Chris Xtofer virginia.edu Boston N3 sprockett kumquat acs.bu.edu DC H R3 Doug From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 05:55:25 1993 From: Speed Racer Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 08:53:27 EDT Subject: Casper Status: Hi all, sorry to waste bandwidth on everyone but it's easier for me... I will *not* be going to Casper.... sudden change of plans, and i will not even be in the state of Rhode Island this weekend... i know some of you were looking forward to seeing me and a couple of you were thinking about crashing at my place....sorry for the inconvenience, and you 'll see me again soon i'm sure :) Everyone have a blast there and ride the corkscrew a couple of times for me! Speed RAcer aka JOe From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 06:01:07 1993 From: steveh@susq.com (Steve Hormell) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 08:56:35 EDT Subject: Re: cyber-pix Status: On a realted note. Anyone have a camera for a group picture at Casper? I'll get them developed and scanned in but i don't have a camera. -- Fluffhead 4 days til CASPER!!! From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 07:27:45 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 10:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Last public word on Planet X Status: I've said just about everything there is to say publically about the Planet X thing, so from now on I'll only respond privately to people regarding that. I appreciate everyone's comments, both positive and negative. My original position still stands. -Ed From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 07:44:39 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 10:44:30 EDT Subject: Re: weird traumas at the orb Status: > > what i pieced together later, and which was the cause of the show's early > demise, was that some guy (on acid) had a girlfriend who shot heroin and > started getting messed badly. he freaked, on the stairs, and threw a security > guard down the stairs. outside and after, he threw a tantrum then got in the > ambulance. nice clean living. Another weird thing happened when we were waiting in line to get in. We were pretty close to the front, and right before they opened the doors, this girl just fell flat on her back onto the pavement! You could hear the dull thud as her head hit the pavement. Turns out she was okay, but right after it happened I heard someone say that she had tried to do a shot of helium ?!?!?! as if it were nitrous...and just passed out. There were a bunch of helium balloons around us and people were making their voices go high, so maybe she really tried to do that........ anyways, -John From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 07:45:47 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 10:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: On Mon, 25 Oct 1993, Alan Michael Parry wrote: > > ok...my turn. I think everyone seems to agree with the setting, but the > DJs? well: > > (in no particular order) > > Richard James (Cornwall, UK) > Jeff Mills (Chicago) > Josh Wink (Philly) > Dante (NY) > Garth (SanFran) > Onionz (LI) > Richie Hawtin (+8 Detorit) > Scott Henry (DC) > > and if I *had* to throw in some PA's: > > Aphex Twin > Irresistable Force > FUSE > > and just for fun, chill-out DJs: > > Dr Alex Patterson (UK) > Entity (Ultraworld) > > :) > _______ > (__,-, \ > / /\ \ f l u i d > /,_) \ \ > (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu > \) flu'id (floo'-) > > Isn't Richard James Aphex Twin? From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 07:49:05 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 10:48:59 EDT Subject: Re: Tales of Ephidrina by Amorphous Androgynous Status: > > Alright, who knows what the hell was sampled on Track 7??? It's a wailing, > falling off sound that's 1) beautiful and 2) I've heard before. The track is > called Fat Cat. > I'm not sure, but if it is the 7th or 8th track on the album (I don't have it in front of me now)...then the sample would be off of Peter Gabriel's the Last Temptation of Christ soundtrack... This sample is sorta like a wailing, and they bring it in and out of the song...and it's insane!!! But, I love the Last Temptation (definitely some sort of ambient something or other), and when I heard it being sample I thought, "WOW, THIS IS REALLY COOL" and "what a good idea, i wonder if anyone else has sampled pieces of it..." -John From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 07:51:53 1993 From: reillye@Cyanamid.COM (Eileen Reilly) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 10:51:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Planet X Prob Status: I was going to stay out of this. But I was ther and I feel like I need to throw my .02 into this. the events that Ed related were true. I got there at 7.05, ed said he had been waiting five minutes. A little later he expressed to me his exasperation at having to wait again to hear any of his music. Usually when ther are a lot of people in the store, Spike will put on a few records for each person, so as to keepit fair. He does generally put on more for the people who were there first, to be fair in that way as well. Spike was just playing hard core, for these kids. Only one song I heard was remotely like anything I could imagine Ed spinning. At 7.30, Spike specifically said to Ed that he could use the extra turntable. Ed put his headphones down, got some records (without, I might add, Spike's usual assistance... ever try to tell what kind of music is on a record just from the label?? Fax is the only label that gives you any clue). So Ed picked stuff from labels he knew andliked. When he went back to the second system, one of those kids was there using Ed's headphones. There was NO WAY they could not have heard Spike tell Ed to use the second system, they were right next to him when he said it. Maybe at that point Ed should have told them to get off. But is that his job?? Spike saw them standing there using the second systemdddddddddddAnd he didn't lift a finger, say or do anything. That is his job. Ed had had enough at that point, grabbed his headphones, came over and asked me if I would like to go to dinner or something. We began to walk out. Spike asked what was up. Ed said (in a normal voice) that he was tired of using the second system. that in the past 3 or whatever weeks he had not heard anything on the main system. At that point, Spike started yelling all the now famous fuck you's and all. Ed could not really get a word in. And Ed never raised his voice. Maybe I'm crazy or old fashioned in thinking that in business, you should treat your customers well. Maybe Spike was having a bad day, but picture a similar scenario in Nordstrom, or even in Sam Goody. How long do you think that employee would still be working?? I have never said fuck off to anyone unless I was ready to end the relationship, or later grovel to get them to accept an apology, knowing that they might not. Those are serious words. Maybe it's different other places, but to me, saying fuck you is the single best way to end a relationship, especially when I don't need to be in a relationship with that perosn. The second sound system is second class. Ask yourself if you think you would find it easier imagining what a track would sound like at a rave from some loud, clean speakers or from headphones. Having done both, I can say it's easier from speakers. When you do it from head- phones you can easily buy something later on you ask your self why you wasted the money. Spike knows that his second set up is lesser than the first. But it was his best response to really busy days, liek Saturday. As far as the appropriateness of this thread.... when Ed and Laura had problems with that promoter, and posted it, did anyone call it inappropriate? When Jenn Smeddy expressed her problem with the Freight Yard, did anyone call that inappropriate? When that guy (sorry, I forget your name) had a problem and almost got beat up for flyering at a club, did anyone say his post was inappropriate? When someone flames the cops, are they told that is inappropriate? Perhaps some people thought it was somehow disunifying for him to post that. But I think that it was a call for unity. Just what does unity mean otherwise?? That we should not express our opinions or say what happened to us because it might be inconvienent or uncomfortable to some people?? I don't agree. The thread isappropriate. And people have the right to disagree with or agree with what was said. You cannot say this thread is not rave related, or of interest. Those, I believe were the guidlines for posting. eileen ps- Apologies for the typos. My editor is not working. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 07:53:21 1993 From: ANALOGUE BUBBLEBATH Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 10:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: amorphous androgenous Status: what exactly is FSOL's role in this project? what does "directed by" mean, and who is Phillip Pin (the one who produced the material)? manish From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 07:56:23 1993 From: ANALOGUE BUBBLEBATH Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 10:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: amorphous androgenous ][: track 7 Status: the last temptation soundtrack is called Passion. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 08:12:17 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 11:12:09 EDT Subject: Re: amorphous androgenous Status: > > > > > what exactly is FSOL's role in this project? what does "directed by" > mean, and who is Phillip Pin (the one who produced the material)? > > > > > > > manish > FSOL is AA. -John From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 08:17:41 1993 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 11:33:24 0000 Subject: Re: 3:30am on about 90.3FM (Boston area) Status: Hey Grant: I may be wrong about this, but I belive that was Sasha who's been subbing for Andrew Woolf the last two weeks. (at least that was who was on when I wnet to bed around 12:30-1 ish) Sasha does his own show Acid Burn Monday Am after 2, when he's not subbing for someone else. The "assholes" were Andrew (et. al.) who has been temporarily suspended for making a fool of himself (probably the week you were listening). Usually I love Andrew's music shows, but when he starts talking on the air, he often can't shut up....and pushes the boundries of what's FCC acceptable as well as making no sense. Jeremy (WZBZ No Commercial Potential DJ usually on Weds/Thurs 10 pm -2 am, tho' probly not this week) From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 08:21:12 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 11:20:02 EDT Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: > Isn't Richard James Aphex Twin? Yeah, and Richie Hawtin is F.U.S.E., but it's the fact that they can spin a set and ALSO do a PA as their project. dave. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 08:25:39 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 11:25:17 EDT Subject: Re: weird traumas at the orb Status: > could hear the dull thud as her head hit the pavement. Turns out she > was okay, but right after it happened I heard someone say that she > had tried to do a shot of helium ?!?!?! as if it were nitrous...and > just passed out. There were a bunch of helium balloons around us and > people were making their voices go high, so maybe she really tried to do > that........ You don't need nearly as much helium to make your voice silly as you do NO2 to make _yourself_ silly and there's no slide into unconciousness from helium like there is with NO2 (where you can feel yourself drifting). You just take the RIGHT amount and... goodnight. A FOAF had that happen once. No warning. Pretty scary. And just to make your voice high? Not worth it,IMHO..:) dave. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 09:17:34 1993 From: cmellow@moose.uvm.edu Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 12:17:24 -0400 Subject: Re: amorphous androgenous Status: isn't this album just the outtakes (the stuff they didn't use for the new FSoL EP) ? i was under the impression that FSoL had a lot of this material that they had made, after they had picked what tracks to keep for the new EP, so then they took some of the better left-overs and made amorphous androgenous... but, this could be way far off :) chris From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 09:32:44 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 12:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, Dave McMahon wrote: > > > Isn't Richard James Aphex Twin? > > Yeah, and Richie Hawtin is F.U.S.E., but it's the fact that they can spin > a set and ALSO do a PA as their project. > > dave. Actually I didn't know Richard James spins, I saw him only once in Baltimore a while back [I think Tripotronic] where he performed live, I wonder what he sounds like spinning.... From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 10:14:38 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 13:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, Sjakie wrote: > Actually I didn't know Richard James spins, I saw him only once in > Baltimore a while back [I think Tripotronic] where he performed live, I > wonder what he sounds like spinning.... definately some confusion here jake. I was there too, and Rich was spinning, not performing. He did not play even one of this tracks either... flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 10:30:39 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 13:29:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Tales of Ephidrina by Amorphous Androgynous Status: Hey there, From John Shiple: From: ??? Date: ??? Subject: ??? Status: Yeah, that's it ( I think ). I'm pretty sure that's where I've heard that sucker before. I'll check it out ASAP when I get home tonite :) Thanks folks, Grant From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 10:38:19 1993 From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 10:37:55 PDT Subject: Re: Tales of Ephidrina by Amorphous Androgynous Status: > I'm not sure, but if it is the 7th or 8th track on the album (I don't > have it in front of me now)...then the sample would be off of > Peter Gabriel's the Last Temptation of Christ soundtrack... > This sample is sorta like a wailing, and they bring it in > and out of the song...and it's insane!!! But, I love the Last > Temptation (definitely some sort of ambient something or other), and when > I heard it being sample I thought, "WOW, THIS IS REALLY COOL" and > "what a good idea, i wonder if anyone else has sampled pieces > of it..." A song called "Nush" by Nush samples some instrumental bits from Peter Gabriel's album "Passion". From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 12:22:41 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 15:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MASKARAVE2 Status: Here is a list that I have compiled from both the neraves and dcraves list for maskarave 2..... MASKARAVE TWO SATURDAY THE 30TH!!! NYC (MIDTOWN) ___________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________ Jennifer Smeddy.....................smed8781@acad.csv.kutztown.edu Mars...............................................mhv0@Lehigh.edu Dave McMahon......................................djm@progress.com Jake Mahon..........................MAHONE_JAI@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU David Darrow (and rachael)...................david.darrow@pics.com Terence Strick.......................trstrick@phoenix.Princton.EDU John Congson............................jcongson@ultrix.ramapo.edu Alex......................................agrranov@msc.cornell.edu ___________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________ As the List grows and grows ;) Peace, Jennifer Smeddy From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 12:26:32 1993 From: TeeP Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 15:18:56 EDT Subject: underground infiltration Status: the return of mad beats to the boston club scene. . . INFILTRATE landsdowne street is trying something new HigH RolliN IntellabumpS =)dj beattrix*dj teep*dj bunyip(= in deepness jazzy space bass freak dance axis upstairs all styles and we mean it when we say it (TerraPosse Warning: PUT YOUR BELLS ON. . .door staff will continue the tuesday night tradition) starting tuesday 10/26. . .11pm door. . .axis dv8. . .oLoWoP. . .TeeP out From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 13:20:08 1993 From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 16:20:02 EDT Subject: Re: ideal rave... Status: if there were a smart bar at my ideal rave, it would have to be free. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 13:49:32 1993 From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 16:49:22 EDT Subject: Casper busses Status: at least: (as of sunday) 3 from boston 4 from NYC 2 from DC 3 from montreal ...it's going to be a big one! from advanced ticket sales and busses, greg (the guy putting it on) expects 4000-5000 people... here's hoping... shannon. i'll be wearing a U.S. Mail baseball cap, dancing like a lunatic, making a complete fool of myself, AND LOVING EVERY SECOND OF IT!!! if you see me, introduce yourself...peace a big group of us from boston are caravanning down so we can be at the gates at 6pm when they open so we can rides all the rides before the music starts...love to see you there! From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 14:33:52 1993 From: rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 17:33:42 EDT Subject: casper Status: I say if you are going to Casper, then we should all try to meet at the rollar coaster at midnight. how's that? ............................................................ Rob Rousseau [] North Carolina State University | rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu [] Raleigh, NC | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 14:52:30 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 17:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ideal rave... Status: In the ideal world EVERYTHING would be free! Jennifer Smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 15:02:42 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 17:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, Alan Michael Parry wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, Sjakie wrote: > > > Actually I didn't know Richard James spins, I saw him only once in > > Baltimore a while back [I think Tripotronic] where he performed live, I > > wonder what he sounds like spinning.... > > definately some confusion here jake. I was there too, and Rich was > spinning, not performing. He did not play even one of this tracks either... > > flu'id (floo'-) > > > Nope, I saw him perform with a bunch of acid boxes, keyboards etc...it was at the same time Glitch was there performing... Melons'R'Us From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 15:04:12 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 18:02:16 EDT Subject: hook up Status: well, from what I can tell form the pic on the flyer, they're two roller coasters. how about meeting at the Freefall at midnight instead? comments? suggestions? From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 15:08:08 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 17:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ??? Status: How about setting up a meeting place for all NE ravers AT CASPER? All I saw were messages about meeting before Casper so I guess we all will be spread around the amusement park... we should set the time and exact location of the meeting... . . \____/ /\_/||||\_/\ \__\ oo /__/ ___ / __ \ __________/ \_ Moo \____/\/ \ Hoo \ _\ Hoo \ _/ \\ | ||\_______/| || // | || \__/ \ \\ \\ < <| /|\\ / // /\\ | |- | // ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Jake [Melons'R'Us] From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 15:44:53 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 18:43:58 EDT Subject: Speakers Status: Is there anyone in the NYC area that is interested in buy a used pair of speakers for a start up DJ system? $300 cheap for the pair not each double 15" woofers and dispersion horn on each speaker. 350 watts RMS 550 watts peak per speaker ideal for mini-rave.....................(really?) e-mail for info............. I'm desperate hagle wit me............. Reason for sale :I replaced them with smaller and louder speakers. $300 less than 1/2 original price for a new pair. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 16:02:27 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 18:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, Sjakie wrote: > > he was spinning, not performing. He did not play even one of this tracks > > either... > > Nope, I saw him perform with a bunch of acid boxes, keyboards etc...it was > at the same time Glitch was there performing... I really think you have to be mistaken. Richard spun right after Glitch finished, for about 2 hours. Maybe you are confused by the fact that he wasnt standing up at all, he spun his entire set kneeling down. I even got to hang out with him for a while afterwards and we talked about all kinds of stuuf, including the set he had just spun....this wasnt a PA in any way. Not a single aphex track was played, not even by him. What about you others who were there? susie, doug, kreig etc.... flu'id (floo'-) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ /,_) \ \ (/ \\ f l u i d \) From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 17:16:00 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 20:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, Alan Michael Parry wrote: > > On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, Sjakie wrote: > > > > he was spinning, not performing. He did not play even one of this tracks > > > either... > > > > Nope, I saw him perform with a bunch of acid boxes, keyboards etc...it was > > at the same time Glitch was there performing... > > I really think you have to be mistaken. Richard spun right after Glitch > finished, for about 2 hours. Maybe you are confused by the fact that he > wasnt standing up at all, he spun his entire set kneeling down. I even got > to hang out with him for a while afterwards and we talked about all kinds > of stuuf, including the set he had just spun....this wasnt a PA in any > way. Not a single aphex track was played, not even by him. What about you > others who were there? susie, doug, kreig etc.... > > flu'id (floo'-) > > _______ > (__,-, \ > / /\ \ > /,_) \ \ > (/ \\ > f l u i d \) > > Ok perhaps you're right...tho the music he played I've never heard before and people that I've talked to later really were shocked and surprised how great and unique it was... Jake From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 18:29:59 1993 From: jenberry@acs.bu.edu (Jennifer Young) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 21:28:06 EDT Subject: casper hookup Status: about where to meet at casper: at rocky point: there is the flume(on the flyer it says "flume rollercoaster"), there is the cyclone(labeled"rlooercoaster") and the corkscrew("loop-de-loop"). i'm kind of unsure how the oscillator setup is going to work-judging from the flyer it's in a very small spot between the freefall and a concession stand. anyway, the FLUME would probably be a LOT better-it's ganno be a lot easier to see- come in the gate look towards the left-it's the ride that splashes water- you really can't miss it. just a suggestion. see you all wherever you decide. everyone take care- warwick cops suck-get there safe-------jayflower From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 18:33:47 1993 From: Francis L Sibilla Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 21:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: casper Status: On Tue, 26 Oct 1993 rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu wrote: > > I say if you are going to Casper, then we should all try to meet at the > rollar coaster at midnight. how's that? > > ............................................................ > Rob Rousseau [] North Carolina State University | > rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu [] Raleigh, NC | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sounds good - then we can all ride it together! (as the ride malfunctions and kills off a chunk of ne-raves - just kidding) Fran From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 18:37:56 1993 From: "Susan R. Kameny" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 18:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: teaser (susie goes east) Status: yes its true i am comming to the east coast from nov 17 (when i fly into dc) until nov 24 (when i fly back to sf via nyc (newark) and chicago) sooooo....lets get together (yeah yeah yeah) anyone wanna hang or have crash space doug? laura? hehehe anyone want me to bring them anything from the west coast? and the rave obigitory statement (what raves are going on during the time i will be there?) (also peter from umbc do you need some help planning a party?) i miss you guys....partyon...susie (: From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 20:43:59 1993 From: One of Many Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 23:44 EDT Subject: November Birthday-O-Matic Status: ************************************************************************* * NE-RAVES/V-RAVE Birthday-O-Matic (BOoM) * * November, 1993 * ************************************************************************* 11/03/73 Alvin Lin aka Laibach laibach@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 11/09/69 CY Lee aka benzo cxylee@microsoft.com 11/13/68 Peter Johansson aka peter peter@cs.umbc.edu 11/13/71 Marcus aka marcus+@cmu.edu 11/16/73 Tamara Palmer aka tamara izzypk3@mvs.oac.ucla.edu 11/16/74 Candice Cosley aka E-lady ccosley@ualvm.oac.ucla.edu 11/17/73 G.David Pasquinelli aka Gioni pasque@hamlet.ucdavis.edu 11/18/74 Diana Liss aka Diana dliss@acs.bu.edu 11/19/70 Yoram Yifrah aka Yoram uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu 11/24/74 Neith Preston aka love&frogs ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu 11/27/73 Liza Daly aka Chaos ldaly@acs.bu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the compiled list so far-- My apologies for anyone I might have missed... If you would like to be on future BOoMs, e-mail jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu. wfs and happy birthdays :) jetta. From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 20:53:02 1993 From: Peter Johansson Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 23:52:56 -0500 (EDT) Subject: November Birthday-O-Matic (Ugh) Status: It was told: > NE-RAVES/V-RAVE Birthday-O-Matic (BOoM) > 11/13/68 Peter Johansson aka peter peter@cs.umbc.edu Oh, as if hitting the quarter century mark were not enough, I now find that I am the OLDEST Scorpio on the ne-raves (ROM) list. :( Peter Johansson peter@cs.umbc.edu From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 21:12:56 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 00:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: November Birthday-O-Matic (Ugh) Status: Hey Folks, > It was told: > > > NE-RAVES/V-RAVE Birthday-O-Matic (BOoM) > > > 11/13/68 Peter Johansson aka peter peter@cs.umbc.edu > > Oh, as if hitting the quarter century mark were not enough, I now find > that I am the OLDEST Scorpio on the ne-raves (ROM) list. :( WRONG!!!!! :) Hey Jetta, I thort I was already on the BOM list :) 11/09/67 Grant McHerron aka Spaceman Spliff grant@world.std.com So there ya go Peter, yer not the oldest Scorpio - let's here it for us scorps - we really know how to play Operation Mind F**K with folks now, don't we ( I know I do it to my self ALL the time :) Grant From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 21:41:12 1993 From: Joe LeSesne Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 23:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Additional Algorythm 2 Info Status: Ok, here's some updated information on Algorythm from Millenium&Friends: The location is in a 20,000 square foot warehouse WITHIN the City of Pittsburgh. The date is THIS SATURDAY Oct. 30th (Devils Night) *NOT* Halloween. In the words of the updated flyer, and I quote: "We guarantee this is the DOPEST, SICKEST, WEIRDEST, MOST FUCKED UP PARTY of the night, bring a costume and things that make noise! (drums, whistles,airhorns,etc) You will dance so hard your legs will be reduced to bloddy, sweaty stumps begging for mercy. If you can't get down take your dead ass home! 100% Mindshattering Hardcore - Because You + The discerning Full-Moon Lunatic deserve TOP QUALITY Mind Penetration!" Once again drivers for the night will be: LENNY DEE (NYC) Deadly Buda Side 2 Finger +FX Soji Fu (hardcore junglist) Terry Kicks and a live PA by yours truely 1.8.7 TIX: The ticket outlets (9 of them in the Greater Pittsburgh Area) will give you a directions to ShineOn Emporium the map point which when (after 10pm Sat.) you present your ticket you will recieve another map to the actual site, not far from ShineOn in the same general area.) People without tickets may purchase them at the map point for $10 instead of the advance price of $8. The Millenium/Algorythm Infoline can be reached with updated information at: (412)734-5549 To the CWRU rave crew the flyers you'll be recieving have incorrect directions. Do not follow them. They are for the backup site. The actuall space is much closer. Call the Infoline for more information. ShineOn Emporium is located at 30 South 14th Street and will be open all night Saturday night. Joe -<><><><><><><><><)-]187-Phat_Beats_For_Phat_Cities-(><><><><><><><><><><><>- | Sub.bass.Frequency.Percolator || ---------------------------------- From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 22:09:52 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 01:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Rave-O-Matic, Halloween Edition! (last rev. 10/27/93) Status: =============================================================================== ____ NE-RAVES CALENDAR / \ BOO! | O O | / * HALLOWEEN EDITION * | | | | |/\/\/\| =============================================================================== There is something happening in practically every major city this weekend. I'm heading to Casper in RI and hope to see a lot of you there. Both Mark and Jetta are hosting separate pre-dinners, so go to the one which is closer to you. Mail Mark & Jetta for details. Also ne-raver deiselBoy is spinning at Casper and ne-raver Joe (1.8.7.) is doing a live PA at Algorythm 2. Support your pals and try to dance your butts off to one of these two! Anyway, I hope you all have a great weekend, whatever you're doing! Be safe! -inhuman _______________________________________________________________________________ KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club Please send all corrections and submissions to inhuman+@cmu.edu. Also send any NY / NJ area rave info to laura@usl.com so she can share it with the Technopolis list. **PLEASE NOTE: If you reply to this message, BE SURE to edit the headers so that you reply ONLY to me and not to all the groups that I am sending this out to! This is VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT! VRAVE Instructions: telnet sfraves.stanford.edu 7283, login as "new" _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES SUMMARY: 10/29/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Washington, DC - (202) 828 - 1944 10/30/93 - DEEP VOODOO - Washington, DC - (202) 452 - 7663 10/30/93 - HELLRAVER - Rochester, NY - (716) 234 - 9626 10/30/93 - MASKARAVE 2 @ - New York City, NY - (212) 330 - 8233 10/30/93 - CASPER - Providence, RI - (401) 454 - 6028 10/30/93 - ALGORITHM 2 - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 8432 10/31/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Philadelphia, PA - (???) ??? - ???? 11/02/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Boston, MA - (???) ??? - ???? 11/03/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Montreal - (???) ??? - ???? 11/05/93 - MERSCH @ - Long Island, NY - (516) 547 - 6137 11/05/93 - TIME WARP @ - Allentown, PA - (215) 433 - 0503 11/06/93 - ENTROPIC - Boston, MA (?) - (617) 353 - 9804 11/13/93 - GRIN: THE SECOND COMING - Portland, ME - (207) 773 - 6979 11/13/93 - LITTLE GOOD VIBE - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 1891 11/20/93 - POLARIS II - Poughkeepsie, NY - (212) 465 - 3299 11/27/93 - ESSENCE IV - Manhattan, NY - (???) ??? - ???? 12/04/93 - ALGORITHM 3 - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 8432 01/13/94 - GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGH- ??? - (???) ??? - ???? _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES IN DETAIL: _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, October 29 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 828 - 1944 NASA TOUR 93 @ @ Buzz Moby / Aphex Twin / Orbital along with: Robbie Hardkiss (SF), Dante (soon-to-be SF) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 452 - 7663 DEEP VOODOO Halloween Weekend 1993 MUSE Presents D E E P V O O D O O A Tribal Ritual Under The Full Moon Saturday October 30 Washington D.C. presenting Two Chambers of Sonic Trance-Formation THE JUNGLE & THE SKY Rhythmic pounding to hypmotize the Lifting your soul to the heavans masses into a spell of Love & Peace into a dimension of pure bliss Rhythm Masters Dave Trance Oddessy Todd Krulak Tony Pegas Suz-E Cyclone MkW Michael C Uncompromising Sound & Lights Purveying The Intoxicating Rhythms Ritual begins at 10 pm, and the music wont stop until you do! $10@The door w/flyer $12w/out info & directions: (202) 452-7663 Coming Soon: Soundflower II call the muse hotline for info MUSE productions: Former Members of Xenophon & Bad Crazyness Takin' it back underground _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 ROCHESTER, NY (716) 234 - 9626 HELLRAVER from : anyone out there in rochester, NY. oct. 30 - hellraver. don't know much about it, just know that the info line claims 2000+ people. info line is 716 234 9626. anyone kn ow any more ? _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 NEW YORK CITY (212) 330 - 8233 MASKARAVE 2 @ NASA's Maskarave 2 Moby / Aphex Twin / Orbital Vapourspace / more more more Infoline: 212-330-8233 The Event of the Millenium! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PROVIDENCE, RI (401) 454 - 6028 CASPER feelgood entertainment and balu present A S P E halloween C R fullmoon '93 -----coast-to-coast----- 6 p.m. Sat - 8 a.m. Sun EXPLORE CASPERS KINGDOM OF ENDLESS ATTRACTIONS a line up of 30 of the worlds top dj's will guide your journey through the ultimate dance fantasty world 333 (London) M Gee (London) ...Called Bliss(Toronto) Mayhem (Boston) Armand (Boston) Mouse (Boston) Bob Bentley (London) Nigel (Philly) Dale Charles (San Diego) Noah (Rhode Is.) Dante (Queens) ON-E (Manhattan) Debo (Boston) Onionz (Long Island) DJ Sun (Baltimore) Osheen (3 1200s) (Rhode Is.) DieselBoy [!!] (Pittsburgh) Overload (Portland) Dutch (San Fran.) Rio (Manhattan) Entity (Baltimore) Ryde (Long Island) Guy D.M.C. (Manhattan) Scott Henry (Baltimore) James Christian(Long Island) Scott Richmond (New York) Joesky (Manhattan) Tiga (Montreal) Liquid (San Fran) Tim Ryan (Boston) *EXPERIENCE VIRTUAL 3-D* THREE THUNDERING ARENAS A TECHNICAL MIRACLE OF ELECTRIFYING ACOUSTICS live satellite simulcast TECHNOLOGICAL BRILLIANCE from san francisco's AND BREATHTAKING MOTION CASPER RAVE! dance with the s.f. family THE CRYPT in 3-D! witness DJ's a massive chamber resonating simulspinning live on with the wicked vibrations 4 turntables - of deep house, trance, and 2 on each coast! tribal. release your inner- west coast casper DJ's: most mind and body to the carlos, jon bishop, rick spirits of the dance. preston, cristophe, curb, and ghost THE MAUSOLEUM a chaotic underworld necropolis ALL RIDES WILL BE FREE FROM where you are submerged in a 6PM SAT UNTIL 8AM SUNDAY: frenzy of hardcore techno, break hude arcade, boo's bumper cars, beat, and progressive house tilt-a-whirl, spooky's sky tram, all night long!!! gravitron, sky diver, auto jets, octopus, freefall, loop-d-loop, THE OSCILLATOR cyclone, merry-go-round, ferris a spinning dance floor oscillates wheel, and a giant midway packed the gyrations of musical full of food and games! expression into motion - you'll be back! Venture through CASPER'S HAUNTED HOUSE - Ride the spooky TRAIN OF SANCTUARY DOOM into the ENCHANTED FOREST relax and chill out in ambient where Magick is real and anything cynderdomes as spiritual can happen !!! aperitions [sic] float around you. free toys, candy, and other surprises mind altering laser performance for all the WITCHES, WARLOCKS, by PAWN GHOSTS, & GOBLINS! visual projections by costume contest with prizes at 13 o'clock MELON DESIGN [!!] & HOME PLANET free camping in CAMP FEEL GOOD Talaria Vidio Productions After party til 3 PM with live 100 BILLION BLINKING LIGHTS performance by "GRACE" 30 ZILLION WATTS OF POWER 40,000 DANCING EYEBALLS acres of free parking free oxygen PaNdAmoNiUm tEcHno MeSmeRisM future visions and altered a portion of the procedes from this realities controlled live by EBN event will support the national homeless smart bars by LIQUID FUSION alliance. feel good entertainment and the rave scene care about our community! 24 HOUR INFO-LINES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 401-454-6028 Feelgood 215-922-3405 Horizon Group 603-437-7795 Nikki B. 212-886-5448 Paul Paul 514-854-6446 DNA Rave Line 404-250-8230 Chamber of Dreams 617-541-4258 Primary 212-631-1065 Fred Strong 516-547-7118 Cort & Greg 207-773-6979 KC & the Sunrise Gang 212-631-4290 Mello 215-552-8833 Slurp! 201-295-1925 E:Force 914-463-9350 Up North - Acme Hotline NO-WAIT ADVANCE TICKET SALES TRANSPORTATION INFO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Providence: Luna Sea 401-272-5862 Montreal: DNA Raveline 514-854-6446 Fast Forward 401-272-8866 Portland: KC & Sunrise 207-773-6979 Home Planet 401-751-5695 NY/NJ/DC: E-Force 201-295-1925 N. Providence: Lukes 401-354-5853 Balt/DC: Deanna 202-452-7639 Pawt: Lukes 401-725-7156 Conn: Warped Info Line 203-454-6643 Warwick: Rocky Point 401-737-8000 NH/VT: Nikki B 603-437-7795 Boston: Allston Beat 617-421-9555 Toronto: Nav/Chemistry 416-567-8894 Boston Beat 617-561-4790 Boston: Janina 617-352-6071 Balt.: Modern Music 410-523-1882 Baltimore: Ultraworld 410-522-6933 DC: Music Now 202-638-3272 Albany: Big Dipper 518-465-6381 Atlanta: Q:Burn/Paragon 404-222-8410 Atlanta: Grass Roots 803-720-8049 Portland: Bad Habits 207-773-1310 Philly: Horizon Group 215-292-4666 Pittsburgh: Slacker 412-381-3911 Slurp 215-502-2226 Philly: 611 Records 215-413-9100 [note horizon correction from flyer] New York: Vinylmania 212-924-7223 RESERVE YOUR SPOT EARLY - Disk-o-Rama 212-206-8417 CALL FOR AVAILABILITY - New Brunswick: Planet X 908-249-0304 CALL 401-454-6028 FOR UP TO THE Toronto: X-tatic 416-599-8551 MINUTE ADDITIONS TICKETS - $22 Advance / $25 Night Of Event this event is guaranteed to be a sell-out [riiiight]. buy tickets in advance to avoid long line and disappointment! presale ticket deadline is wednesday oct. 27th. DIRECTIONS: From North take I-95 South to Exit 14: Warwick. Take Post Rd to Post Rd South. After 3 traffic lights turn left on Airport Rd. Follow signs to Rocky Point Park. From South take I-95 North to Exit 10: East to 117 East. Follow signs to Rocky Point Park. Rocky Point Park is located in a reisdential neighborhood -- please no loud music or loitering on your way in! Arrive alive: buckle up and don't drink and drive! Do not litter - eat this flyer! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, October 30 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 2 Saturday, Oct. 30 M I L L I N E U M & Friends Presentts: A L G O R Y T H M 2 "The Scariest Halloween Party in the Universe" Featuring: The Scariest, Craziest D.J. in the Western Hemisphere From NYC -Industrial Strength Recording Artist- - * L E N N Y D E E*- Frightening advances in twisted grooveology continue with: Deadly Buda Side 2 Jedi Finger +FX Soji Fu Terry Kicks And in the darkest hour a live Breakcore-Darkness-Hard Acid PA by: 1 8888 7777 1 8 8 7 1 8 8 7 1 88 7 11 8 8 77 11 .. 8 8 .. 77 111 .. 8888 .. 77 Visuals by Eyegasm&Jack-O-Vision (Chip Bullock) the man behind the development of the Intellabeam and the designer of the Sound Factory's lighting system. Tix are $8 ($10 at door) Infolines: Millenium (412)734-5549 Lizard's Grove (412)734-8432 Over 9 ticket outlets in the Greater Pittsburgh area, 1 near you. _______________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, October 31 PHILADELPHA (???) ??? - ???? NASA TOUR 1993 @ Trocadero, 10th&Arch, Philadelphia HALLOWEEN, OCT 31 : 9pm The NASA tour 1993 M O B Y ORBITAL & THE APHEX TWIN _______________________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, November 2 BOSTON (???) ??? - ???? NASA TOUR 1993 @ at the Paradise Rock Club _______________________________________________________________________________ Wednesday, November 3 MONTREAL (???) ??? - ???? NASA TOUR 1993 @ at Greenland _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 LONG ISLAND (516) 547 - 6137 MERSCH @ M E R S C H Envelop your senses in a state of complete ambience. Mersch invites you to the opening of the Lotus Project. Friday November 5th in Caffeine's Warehouse B. Live Ambience by: THE DEEP RED ALSO Featuring Soundscapes navigated by: DJ Heather Heart (Under One Sky) DJ Slave (Vampyre Circus, VooDoo NYC) Info Lines: 212-629-1960 516-547-6137 516-547-7118 Visual Lush and Event Productions: F L U I D Caffeine. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 ALLENTOWN, PA (215) 433 - 0503 TIME WARP @ It's official folks, so here it is... UNITY PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS... T I M E W A R P Out of the Stone Age into the Future Friday, November 5, 1993 in celebration of THE FREIGHT YARD's 13 month anniversary Laura(New Jersey/NE-Raves) Goodwill(Delaware) Ikon(Freight Yard-Allentown) geoffE(Freight Yard-Allentown/NE-Raves) Mark M(Allentown) Miko(Freight Yard) dieselboy(Pittsburgh/NE-Raves) WINK(Philly) Guy DMC(Londontown) Trace(Londontown) On-E(NASA, New York) 2 rooms - Room 1=Hardcore, Jungle, Acid/Room 2=House,Progressive, Trance Giveaways by: Instinct Records - New York Moonshine Music - Los Angeles Lucky Spin Records - London Sorted/Nervous Records - New York DMC - New York/London Smart Bar by DNA - Intelligent Lighting - Lasers by Pawn FOR INFO. CALL 215.433.0503 DOORS OPEN 9:45p.m. MUSIC from 10pm - 7am All tickets at the door $10 before 11p.m./$15 after 11p.m. geoffE ---The Freight Yard 3rd and Hamilton St. Allentown, PA--- _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 6 BOSTON (?) (617) 353 - 9804 ENTROPIC We hare at SLUDJ are pleased to present: ENTROPIC Pure Premium NOT from Concentrate NET 5000 FL. WATTS with Musical Marauders Dale Charles, Boston Beat Tau, MoodFood Sprockett, Abyss:New York Mood, The Loft:Boston M GEE, The Loft:Boston Dag, United Kingdom & others as yet unconfirmed This is a two part event. Part 1 -- 9:30 pm, Back Bay, Boston...a 2,000 sq.ft. space completely legal and FDA approved ;) Part 2 -- 12:00midnight, shuttle busses run all participants to second location in South Boston...a 10,000sq.ft.arena to worship the Techno and House Gods. Admission = $3.00 for part one $5.00 for part two admission to part one gets free shuttle to part two. (part two will go until sunrise) *UNCONFIRMED* Smart Bar by Zoom of Allentown of Pennsylvania Visuals and Graphics by the same that did ELEVATION Up To Date Info @ (617) 353-9804 (617) 352-6939 kumquat@acs.bu.edu Brought to you by Boston Beat Records, SLUDJ, MoodFood, and MEANDHER Saturday, 11.6.93 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PORTLAND, ME (207) 773 - 6979 GRIN - THE 2ND COMING KC & the sunrise gang & pandemonium! bring you... GRIN The 2nd Coming Satruday November 13th 10pm til sunrise and beyond Portland, Maine smile to the Future Beat Enormous Warehouse Location Multi Mega-Watt Sound System 20 Watt Multi Color Laser Systems Intelliget Lighting, Robo Scans Tiger Scans & Data Flash Video Walls & Projections Film Loops & Slides _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 1891 LITTLE GOOD VIBE November 13th in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania is Little Good Vibe. featuring everything from house, to deep house, to acid. dj list to follow. Info line 412.734.1891. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 20 POUGHKEEPSIE, NY (212) 465 - 3299 POLARIS II (914) 463 - 9350 On November 20th POLARIS POLARIS II will once again Shine Bright Scott Henry (DC) For information Jason Jinx (NASA) regarding Buses Mr Kleen (FUSION) from far off lands call your local Jimmy Crash (BROOKLYN) Organizers Rob Sherwood (CLEVELAND) Zoom 215-683-1240 Bob Bently (UK) Ramsy 315-655-9446 x310 Dale Charles (BOSTON) 518-465-6381 Big Dipper Scott Richmond (FUSION) United Techno 203-646-6381 Overload (MAINE) call info line for info on buses Ryde (LONG ISLAND) from your area Listen to WDST For information on Trains from 100.1 & 96.9 Sat 12-3 NYC to Poughkeepsie call 212-532-4900 (Metro North) Located on route 9, free shuttle from station to event Poughkeepsie, NY 100% Legal Admission is $13 before midnight $15 after LIGHTS = ACME _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 27 MANHATTAN (???) ??? - ???? ESSENCE IV: THE REBIRTH Guest DJs: Garth & Richie Hawtin _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, December 4 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 3 Adam X & Lenny McBride (Groove Records, Under One Sky, NYC) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ Thursday, January 13 USA (???) ??? - ???? through Sunday, January 16 GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGHTS Galactic Overlord Productions & Base Pair Sound System Bring you A Boschian excursion of Worldly and Celestial pleasures THE GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGHTS JAN 13-16, 1994 more info to come.... _______________________________________________________________________________ [and this tidbit from Mars (mhv0@Lehigh.EDU):] For 24-hour, up-to-date rave info, you can now call the ZooM LinE at: (215) 998 - 9650 (Allentown/Philly) (800) 374 - 4434 x20051 (Beyond) [are these numbers still up to date...? -email me] _______________________________________________________________________________ ***EOF*** --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 22:42:15 1993 From: beloved Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 01:41:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Buzz Status: : > Did anyone go to Buzz this past Friday? The wurd i heard up in Philly : > was that many people got busted and/or thrown out. What happened? I : > really hate living so far away sometimes. I gotten so many different : > rumors up here, from the DEA busting people to it was just security : > throwing people out. Can anybody set this strait? : : what i HEARD, was that the security guards who caught people 'dealing' : would steal that persons money and dope, and that was it. the cops were : there and didn't do anything. just the security guards. i also heard that : they were fairly innacurate in who was and who wasn't dealing because the : stole a bunch of money from one guy who wasn't selling anything. : : the above was all second hand information from a guy who was there. i : wasn't even there so what the hell do i know? I don't know the whole story either, but I was at Buzz from 10pm to 3:30am. My understanding was that there was an undercover cop present. Since everone knew this, nothing was being sold. I do know that when I found out Adam X was a no show, I split (unless he came on at 4 am after I left...which I doubt due to the number of people leaving with me). Paul PS. John, I got another copy of "white boy." What a great tune! -- beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu From ne-raves-owner Tue Oct 26 23:51:36 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 2:50:58 EDT Subject: In DC i find info and Orb records Status: Hey netters! Hope the cross-post doesn't upset many but a few points of info: I was at Music Now tonight and looking through the records but what did i see but the Orb's Adventure's Beyond The Ultraworld special classical pressing!! It was the last one there and i grabbed it just before some guy came in asking for ambient music on vinyl. *phew* But lieven said he might be getting some more in, so check your local record store for more info. Few other tidbits about DC: The NASA show at Buzz this weekend will cost $13, not the usual $9. I bought tickets for Capser today, and Music Now had a stack of at least 50 left, so i don't think buying tickets here will be a problem for at least a few days. peace doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu remember, love follows the rave From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 00:17:25 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 03:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: your mail Status: On Tue, 26 Oct 1993, Sjakie wrote: > How about setting up a meeting place for all NE ravers AT CASPER? All I > saw were messages about meeting before Casper so I guess we all will be > spread around the amusement park... we should set the time and exact > location of the meeting... > - Jake [Melons'R'Us] By way of a suggestion, how about we all meet at Jake's crazy lightshow booth? I know it may be a bit harder to find, but the view should be great and I don't think he will be able to get away to find us all (after all, he is working). Dan \____/ /\_/||||\_/\ \__\ oo /__/ ___ / __ \ __________/ \_ Moo \____/\/ \ Hoo \ Support NE-Raves _\ Hoo \ _/ \\ | ||\_______/| || // | || \__/ \ \\ \\ < <| /|\\ / // /\\ | |- | // ############################# back at ya Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 00:34:13 1993 From: beloved Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 03:34:08 -0500 Subject: more Orb Status: After reading other people's posts regarding the Orb concert, I feel a little more at ease and willing to give the NY scene a second try. While I'm not exactly naive about big cities, I have never been to NY and Alex hasn't been in about ten years. Admittedly, we arrived with a tourist mentality and expected the worst things to happen to us. But hey, this was the Orb! We found Roseland without incident, bought our tickets and stood in line for an hour before being let in. It was nice to meet/see Fish, Jason, Mars and Gab. I'm really sorry I didn't get to meet the other net-raves. Unfortunate for us, Alex and I pretty much went solo the whole night, making for an uncomfortable experience. Once inside, I was drawn to the wall of flourescent fans. Really neat eye candy, if you know what I mean. There were many visual toys scattered about to keep me occupied until the Orb took the stage. At this point, people starting heading in every direction to get closer to the stage, etc. The first 15 minutes were tolerable, the next 45 annoying. The only thing to distract me was the *incredible* music coming from the stage. The intellibeams were in full effect as well. Now the music was great, but it sounded like shit. I was completely unimpressed with the sound system. Towers of Dub became Towers of Mush. I only wish Lonnie (Ultraworld) were there to do things right. After the Orb finished, we left to get something to drink. I finally got a good look at the makeup of the crowd. This, combined with the chemicals in my body, made me feel completely out of place: this is not my scene, I don't know anyone here, why is that guy frowning at me, etc., etc. Next time I'm seeking out the net-ravers! :) The whole shebang ended rather rudely, with Mr. Kleen looking a little disappointed when the power was cut off. I look forward to hearing him again. His set was my favorite for the night. Anyway, we headed over to the afterhours and hung out there until 10:30am. Dmitri was cool. He's not the best dj, but anyone who can make me smile is ok in my book. I was hoping for a much better vibe, but it didn't improve. A bunch of loudmouth punks who managed to steal my bag when I was dancing. Ah well. I was almost relieved it was taken. I figured something bad has gotta happen on this trip and that was it. Again with the silly mentality, but that's the way the night went. Despite all that happened, I realize it's not indicative of the NY scene as a whole. After all, this wasn't a rave. It was a concert with rave djs. What do you think? Does it get better than this? Paul -- beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 05:55:06 1993 From: steveh@susq.com (Steve Hormell) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 08:54:50 EDT Subject: Re: hook up Status: Hey! I like the freefall idea better. But i think there is a costume contest at midnight. It all depends if there is an interest in that. I myself haven't decided. But i'd like to have a group picture. Oh and i got a clown costume. So that's what to look for :) Like there will only be one. -- fluffhead 3 days til caspEr!!! From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 07:14:06 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: your mail Status: I will be set up at the CRYPT where supposedly there will be 150,000 watts sound system. The CRYPT is the main place for the party...so i am sure it will be all packed....meeting outside would be much better I think... Jake From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 07:33:03 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 10:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Status: I am in need of a ride to Maskarave this weekend... My ride just fell through :( Is anyone passing through the pennsylvania area? It would be GREATLY appreciated... thanks jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 07:45:59 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 07:45:54 -0700 Subject: Meeting at Casper? Status: Wow, this is GREAT, I've heard 3 different meeting places for ne-ravers at Casper. Now we'll never find each other. Hey Dan, you're our list admin, you make the call! I want to SEE you all! So, will it be the flume, by Jake's light show, or by one of the roller coasters or???????? Laura From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 07:54:45 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 07:54:39 -0700 Subject: Re: more Orb Status: Paul writes: >Despite all that happened, I realize it's not indicative of the NY scene >as a whole. After all, this wasn't a rave. It was a concert with rave djs. >What do you think? Does it get better than this? My oh my YES. Paul, if Storm ever gets back together (as they have been threatening to since the spring) you will be in for a treat. It's a real shame the Orb in NYC wasn't better. It is my understanding that rather than organizing the tour on a North American scale, it was left up to local promoters/organizers to do everything in each loaction. It was really nice in San Francisco, and I feel bad that everything wasn't as great in New York. Words of advice: avoid Roseland. I've been to a concert or two there (most notably Echo and the Bunnymen right before Pete De Frietas died) and have never been happy with the space. It's a shame the old Ritz got converted into that club kid zoo known as Webster Hall, that would be a GREAT location for a concert with rave DJs. The NASA Maskarave will be held in the same place as Essence 3 was, the New York Coliseum on Broadway near 59th in Manhattan. I hope whoever is setting it up learns from Essence 3 and (a) tightens up the surround sound system so there aren't those massive dead spots again and (b) keeps the house lights DOWN over the main dance floor. Other than that the space is pretty cool for a MASSIVE party. Laura From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 08:40:06 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 11:39:54 EDT Subject: Maskarave Status: So, Maskarave is happening in the E3 location. Never been to the NY Coliseum. Anybody down there have any advice on: - quickest way in and out - parking? - Anybody know if getting tix there will be a problem or do ya think I should hit TicketBastard? thanks all dave. From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 09:31:11 1993 From: mhv@eagle.hr.att.com (Marshal Villarosa) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 12:27:33 EDT Subject: Info on my account Status: Cybertribe, I switched my subscription over to another account and wanted to find out if anyone has been getting any bounces from it. Please send private e-mail to: mhv@hrmaple.att.com I will be closing my undergrad account at Lehigh soon and have an alumnus account there now. The address of that account is: a176@lehigh.edu Happy Halloween, Mars "Whenever people agree with me, I feel I must be wrong." - Oscar Wilde From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 10:00:20 1993 From: Phil Z Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 13:00:06 EDT Subject: Re: Maskarave Status: > Never been to the NY Coliseum. > > Anybody down there have any advice on: > - parking? I wouldn't try parking around the colliseum- you might get lucky and find something, but some of those streets get too quiet for my tastes (that is, easy theft). I'd probably park in the Village and take a subway up. > > - Anybody know if getting tix there will be a problem or do ya think > I should hit TicketBastard? The space is quite huge, so I can't imagine there'd be any problems getting tickets at the door other than long lines. I'm going to wait unless someone tells me otherwise. Phil Z From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 10:25:27 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 13:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Definitive meeting place Status: Don't mean to sound too authoritative here, but let's agree on the one place to meet. I am looking at the map right now and I think the best place to meet would be the Loop-De-Loop rollercoaster, the tallest coaster there. This will make the place easier to find for people wandering around (just look for the bigest coaster and walk towards it). It looks like the entrance should be right next to a octagonal building, which is also a pretty good landmark. So let's meet at the entrance of the Loop-De-Loop rollercoaster at Midnight, the witching hour. Let's get into the All Hallow's eve spirit.. :) Dan 'Just looking to satisfy some blood lust' "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 10:59:55 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 13:59:30 EDT Subject: teaser (susie goes east) YAY!! Status: > > yes its true i am comming to the east coast from nov 17 (when i fly into > dc) until nov 24 (when i fly back to sf via nyc (newark) and chicago) > > sooooo....lets get together (yeah yeah yeah) > anyone wanna hang or have crash space doug? laura? hehehe > anyone want me to bring them anything from the west coast? > > and the rave obigitory statement (what raves are going on during the time > i will be there?) (also peter from umbc do you need some help planning a > party?) > i miss you guys....partyon...susie (: YAY! see you soon Susie! O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 11:18:04 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 14:17:50 EDT Subject: more Orb (fwd) :( :( :( Status: > > After reading other people's posts regarding the Orb concert, I feel a > little more at ease and willing to give the NY scene a second try. > Wow, major bummer of a post, paul, though i can see where you're coming from. Sorry all that shit happened with you feeling out of touch and all that. look for the net folks, next time! BTW, the Orb concert definitely was not indicative of the NY scene. the Manhatan scene perhaps, but it's a far cry from the kind of beautiful events that have taken place in the wilderness of the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens this year. > Paul > -- > beloved@virginia.edu > psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu > here's hoping you'll come back. ps. next time try to come to a pre-gathering, so you'll know what all of us look like. it's next to impossible to try to find someone whom you've never met and only know by description at a rave. peace, O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 11:35:31 1993 From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 11:32:04 PDT Subject: Re: the perfect rave! Status: err... Jake, i dunno what you were on at Tripotronic, but I myself was there with Doug and Susie and Fluid, and when Glitch performed it was just Glitch. In a big black wig with his miserable excuse for industrial/ hardcore techno too. Richard James was after him, and he definitely dj'd. Me and Fluid were right in front, watching him above the tv monitors as he dj's on his knees and proceeded to mix like a zen warrior, without looking at the records. So... to borrow a phrase from a shitty old song... Where Is Your Evidence? peace, Poseur Kreig From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 12:25:23 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 15:23:10 EDT Subject: CASPER LIST Status: ok, well seeing as we have no up to the date list of net-attendees at casper, i'll take the initiative and start one. simple: if you are coming to casper, mail me.. leave your name, email address and what you'll be wearing (if u no) i'll post when I get a few names, and then regularly thereafter. sprockett (Kumquat@acs.bu.edu) YAY! ;) From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 12:52:26 1993 From: athurman@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (allison lafaye turman) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 15:50:03 EDT Subject: Re: *****schedule***** Status: From athurman@cybernet.cse.fau.edu Wed Oct 27 09:46:07 1993 From: athurman@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (allison lafaye turman) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 13:46:07 EDT Subject: *****schedule***** Status: ok, du to a misunderstanding at amtrak i have to get my tickets by next tuesday - however they *might* still let me move the schedule around some after purchase. as it is now tho, my travel schedule is as follows: sat. dec 4 - leave atlanta 7:45 pm sun. 5 - arrive washington dc 9:28 am thurs. 9 - leave washington dc 1:35 pm arrive boston 10:47 pm mon. 13 - leave boston 9:05 am arrive nyc 1:15 pm (change trains) leave nyc 1:42 pm tues. 14 - arrive atlanta 8:30 am again, i might be able to move this around once i get the tickets - but amtrak misled me before, so..... also i'm going to make a last ditch effort to read gifs this weekend - thanks to all who put up with me and mailed me things trying to help - lets hope it was worth the effort!:) comments/questions/suggestions/ allison From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 13:06:37 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 16:05:22 EDT Subject: CASPER LIST v.1 Status: > this is the surrent CASPER list: > > > > Sprockett Kumquat@acs.bu.edu > > SHALAKO U.S. mail > cap > > Rob Rousseau rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu > > Matt > > Nate goldbn@rpi.edi Fresh Jive > Tee > > Mike inhuman@cmu.edu > > Tom DJbit > > Melanie Melzie@wam.umd.edu > > Chris Xtofer@virginia.edu > > Doug > > China Chinagrrrl@delphi.edu > > Taylor > > Vanessa Jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu > > Jennifer Jenberry@acs.bu.edu > > Chris cmellow@moose.uvm.edu > > Flufhead Steve@susq.com > > Scammy scammy@susq.com > > > > > > > for additions, mail me @ kumquat@acs.bu.edu > > > --sprockett From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 13:06:54 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 15:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Maskarave Status: On Wed, 27 Oct 1993, Dave McMahon wrote: > > So, Maskarave is happening in the E3 location. > > Never been to the NY Coliseum. > > Anybody down there have any advice on: > > - quickest way in and out > > - parking? > > - Anybody know if getting tix there will be a problem or do ya think > I should hit TicketBastard? > > > thanks all > > dave. Ok so Maskarave 2 will be full of non ravers and people passing by just like E3! shame tho... From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 14:20:31 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 17:19:46 EDT Subject: Subwoofers Status: Ok. Now I've been Djing for about six yrs now so I'm familiar with a lot different speakers. I know the best in full range is JBL SR series. The JBL subwoofers suck, the components are probably superior but the enclosures don't seem to give punch unless you standing 2 feet in front of the speaker. Cerwin Vega is awsome with the quantity of pushed air but the enclosures are so large thatI find them impossible to deal with. So what advise can anybody give me on a unlimited budget for a pair of subs? From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 14:21:54 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (nate goldbaum) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 17:21:48 -0400 Subject: Re: casper Status: On Oct 26, 5:33pm, rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu wrote: > Subject: casper > > I say if you are going to Casper, then we should all try to meet at the > rollar coaster at midnight. how's that? > > ............................................................ > Rob Rousseau [] North Carolina State University | > rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu [] Raleigh, NC | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >-- End of excerpt from rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu sounds ok to me, but once i get into the groove, who knows if i'll remember what time it is. i can be real bad that way. if i don't make it and you see a short (5'2") black-haired jewish-lookin' guy in striped shorts and a fresh jive tee say: "nate?!" probably me. (not a lot of folk look like me) can't wait to meet everyone peace y'all nate -- nate goldbaum goldbn@rpi.edu =============================================================================== if mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-ee cummings who would be born must first destroy a world. --hermann hesse i don't want the world, i just want your half. --they might be giants ========================================================================= From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 14:30:46 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (nate goldbaum) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 17:30:36 -0400 Subject: Re: casper hookup Status: flume sounds fine to me, but see my previous post. hope i get there (I do genuinely want to meet you all). nate -- nate goldbaum goldbn@rpi.edu =============================================================================== if mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-ee cummings who would be born must first destroy a world. --hermann hesse i don't want the world, i just want your half. --they might be giants ========================================================================= From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 14:49:10 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 17:48:29 EDT Subject: Halloween Status: Unfortunatly I can't go to Casper or Maskarave since I a pledged to Dj this private costume affair in the city. My instructions are to wear a costume, I told them I'd come dressed as a raver. Ha HA HA. From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 14:58:51 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 17:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LAST CALL FOR CASPERII Status: Within a few hours I'm puttin out the revised Casper list....please send any new information that hasn't been mailed to me yet as soon as possible! Melzie aka stressed up de wazoo From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 15:15:03 1993 From: Machine Media <0005995336@mcimail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 19:49 GMT Subject: PRE-CASPER DINNER STUFF Status: WELCOME BIPEDS: If you are plannning on coming to the Pre-Casper Dinner gathering at my place, please RSVP as soon as possible AND PLEASE TRY TO INCLUDE WHAT YOU MIIGHT BE BRINGING. As I can't answer questions about what other people are bringing to those who have asked. The same goes for all of y'all who mentioned that you are coming on vraves - I need your mail addresses sent to the account where I get my mail so I can send out any directions that are needed. Please don't delay! I don't want loose ends hanging until the last minute. THANK YOU PEACE OUT:) MARK From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 15:53:30 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 18:52:17 EDT Subject: CASPER LIST V.2 Status: Here's volume 2: > > > > Sprockett Kumquat@acs.bu.edu > > SHALAKO U.S. mail cap > > Rob Rousseau rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu > > Matt > > Nate goldbn@rpi.edi Fresh Jive Tee > > Mike inhuman@cmu.edu > > Tom DJbit > > Melanie Melzie@wam.umd.edu > > Chris Xtofer@virginia.edu > > Doug > > China Chinagrrrl@delphi.edu > > Taylor > > Vanessa Jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu > > Jennifer Jenberry@acs.bu.edu > > Chris cmellow@moose.uvm.edu "clothes" > > Flufhead Steve@susq.com E clown outfit > > Scammy scammy@susq.com > > Cris concepcion@vaxvmsx.babson.edu > > Jeanne jfinks@cs.brandeis.edu > > Jason(uforb) fuzzbox@world.std.com > > Binky Ron McDon tee > > John Handi-Boy > > Laura Laura@soda.berkley.edu > > Jacob jaschoenly@vaxsar.vassar.edu > > Jake melon@access.netaxs.com > (doing the crypt visuals) > > > > > > > for additions, mail me @ kumquat@acs.bu.edu > > > --sprockett From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 17:09:59 1993 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 20:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Subwoofers Status: For those who tought they had seen it all, read this till the last line. You will be blown away (no pun intended). Beyond the ultraworld of Thomas C Noe: > > The JBL subwoofers suck, the components are probably superior but the > enclosures don't seem to give punch unless you standing 2 feet in front of > the speaker. I have found out that it is better to build the subs if you are on a budget. In particular isobarik or hybrid systems are relatively easy to make. > Cerwin Vega is awsome with the quantity of pushed air but > the enclosures are so large thatI find them impossible to deal with. An isobarik design takes half the space of a regular bass reflex design, but require 2 drivers instead of one. But efficiency is the same. Hybrid push-pull in isobarik mode will also require half the volume. But the best is hybrid push-pull with facing drivers. You only require 1/4 of the volume and get the same efficiency. Pros: small size, same efficiency. Cons: you need 2 drivers per subs. I've done 2 with Cerwin vegas in hybrid facing drivers and it works GREAT! 4 of them fit in my Volvo's trunk (with 15"). I may end up doing my mobile unit with my car! (i tought i needed a dodge caravan). only problem is the power generator... > So what advise can anybody give me on a unlimited budget for a pair of > subs? When you say unlimited, what do you mean? 3000$ per sub? If it's the case, may i suggest a pair (i dont really think you'll need a pair of these, but you never know :P ) of Intersonics "servodrive"? Each unit measures 16x16x20 inches and has 2 15 inch subs driven by a servomotor. It reproduces 2Hz to 80Hz +/-3dB and push more air than an array of six (yes 6) 18 inch subwoofers... :) :) need i say more? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 17:15:38 1993 From: One of Many Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 20:16 EDT Subject: BOoM again (oops-delete old one, please!) Status: ************************************************************************* * NE-RAVES/V-RAVE Birthday-O-Matic (BOoM) * * November, 1993 * ************************************************************************* 11/03/73 Alvin Lin aka Laibach laibach@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 11/09/69 CY Lee aka benzo cxylee@microsoft.com 11/13/68 Peter Johansson aka peter peter@cs.umbc.edu 11/13/71 Marcus aka marcus+@cmu.edu 11/15/73 Jason aka methodone lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu 11/16/73 Tamara Palmer aka tamara izzypk3@mvs.oac.ucla.edu 11/17/73 G.David Pasquinelli aka Gioni pasque@hamlet.ucdavis.edu 11/18/74 Diana Liss aka Diana dliss@acs.bu.edu 11/19/70 Yoram Yifrah aka Yoram uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu 11/24/74 Neith Preston aka love&frogs ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu 11/27/73 Liza Daly aka Chaos ldaly@acs.bu.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the compiled list so far-- My apologies for anyone I might have missed... If you would like to be on future BOoMs, e-mail jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu. wfs and happy birthdays :) jetta. From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 18:17:26 1993 From: Mel-zo-rama Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 21:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CASPER.....THE RETURN Status: Hey there all....well, here's Casper, the revised version. I hate to say it, but I can't go...or at least unless a group of people die and leave me a car I can't go :) I really do wish all of you a splendid time and a peaceful All Hallow's Eve.....my heart's with you. Well, I hope all of this is at least helpful to some people [as you wouldn't believe the amount of time it took :) ] Be sure to tell me how the event was once you return home...Love you.... Melzie aka One Grooovy Coconut **************************************************************************** UM - DE - NE RAVES CASPER LIST **************************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------- Key: O-can offer a ride and the number they can offer | N-In need of a ride | C-Can offer crash space | R-In need of crash space | H-Has a ride | blank only means it wasn't included in the mail. | ----------------------------------------------------------------- CITY, STATE RIDE CRASH NAME LOGIN ADDRESS Albany,NY H nate goldbn rpi.edu Boston,Mass O1 Oz Lubling ol cs.brandeis.edu DC O2 Shelly mh6221a american.edu CP, MD H Hector hwyman wam.umd.edu Bayonne,NJ N Fiend 6ANTHONY_M spcvxa.spc.edu Cleveland,OH H China chinagrrrl delphi.com Pitts. Mike inhuman cmu.edu Pitts. Tom djbit Virginia H Chris Xtofer virginia.edu Boston N3 sprockett kumquat acs.bu.edu DC H R3 Doug Bowie,MD H Chris Thalx wam.umd.edu Raleigh,NC H Rob rarousse eos.ncsu.edu Pitts H MikeB mb7z+ andrew.cmu.edu Boston H Shannon sscoen mit.edu Ohio [!] H Boris bfeldman students.wisc.edu H Chris cmellow moose.uvm.edu H jeannie H laura H grant North Carolina H john humphrey unity.ncsu.edu H Fluffhead steveh susq.com From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 19:01:09 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 93 22:00:00 -0400 Subject: rides to casper Status: ok, yesterday i needed 3 rides, now i've got some space available for others. i've got a van going. i'ts coming all the way from upstate new york (saratoga), going to wellesley, mass. then cutting down to casper. soooo, if anyone in boston needs a ride, mail me...cost is $15 per person round trip (just barely enough to cover costs). & it *WON'T* be crammed!!!! sprockett (kumquat@acs.bu.edu) From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 19:45:04 1993 From: "David A. Wolfe" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 22:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Status: Will the person who asked about vending @maskarave please email me soonest -dw From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 20:30:55 1993 From: binky Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 23:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: rides to casper Status: me and 2 other from rochester, NY need a ride. don't care what route, will pay gas and tolls and way in if necessary. in DIRE need of transportation. if anyone knows any alternative to grayhound and the likes, lemme know. i would appreciate any ideas. From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 22:51:44 1993 From: Poseur Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 01:51:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Planet X Prob Status: hey ed... it makes sense now! see, how German of you Mr. Horch to expect that you could wait, and Spike would be fair. It was so obvious, Spike did not understand that you expected fairness. only a german would sit idly by, diffident, waiting his turn. Let this polack bastard tell you, you offended him with your diffidence, expecting him to rightt your wrongs. you shouldve THROWN the kid off the second system, and] as a mattaoffack you shouldve said "eh, spike, get these bitches off so i can hear my rekkids" about fifteen minutes beforehand (on the main system). WOW! i cant believe that eileen revealed the real problem... it was quitte a misunderstanding, a very real one between a german and an itai... makes me smile.... THE POLACK, Kreig Zimmerman (who was that Silesian bastard who made me a german carpenter, eh?) From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 22:52:12 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 1:51:00 EDT Subject: CASPER V.3 Status: > casper v.3 is as follows (43 of us..WOW,YAY,etc.) > > > Sprockett Kumquat@acs.bu.edu > Brian Lunatik > SHALAKO --------U.S. mail cap > Daniel bhilpott@wam.umd.edu > Rob Rousseau rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu > Shannon sscoen@mit.edu > Matt ???????? > John humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu > Nate goldbn@rpi.edi Fresh Jive Tee > Mike inhuman@cmu.edu > Boris bfeldman@students.wisc.edu > Tom DJbit > Brian something@cmu.edu > Melanie Melzie@wam.umd.edu > Damian Diesel Boy > Chris Xtofer@virginia.edu > Amy adubin@magnusug.magnus... > Doug ??????? > Oz ol@cs.brandeis.edu > China Chinagrrrl@delphi.edu > Shelley mh6221a@american.edu > Taylor 808, of course. > Tina Chan > Vanessa Jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu > Hector hwyman@wam.umd.edu > Jennifer Jenberry@acs.bu.edu > Fiend anthony!spcvxa.spc.edu > Chris cmellow@moose.uvm.edu "clothes" > Chris thalx@wam.umd.edu > Flufhead Steve@susq.com E clown outfit > Mike B mb72@andrew.cmu.edu > Scammy scammy@susq.com > Melanie mad@acs.bu.edu > Cris concepcion@vaxvmsx.babson.edu > Mike higgs@acs.bu.edu > Jeanne jfinks@cs.brandeis.edu > Ronda Primary@acs.bu.edu > Jason(uforb) fuzzbox@world.std.com > Binky ------------Ron McDon tee > John Handi-Boy > Laura Laura@soda.berkley.edu > Jacob jaschoenly@vaxsar.vassar.edu > Jake melon@access.netaxs.com > (doing the crypt visuals) > > > > > > sorry for any mistakes ;) 43......Amazing. any more...mail me @ kumquat@acs.bu.edu thanx, sprockett From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 22:57:54 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 1:56:45 EDT Subject: CASPER V.3 cont'd Status: with all the confusion, let's just get everything clear: at 12:00 midnight, all 43 (forty three) of us are going to meet at the entrance to the loop-de-loop (the only rollercoaster with a spiral), right next to the Octagonal dome building. clear? ok? can't wait to see you all.....maybe we can storm the haunted house or take the train of doom together. I also reccomend that people who would like to meet for breakfast set up another time (like 8:00) to meet, whereupon we can all cruize into town and get some munchies. comments? questions? suggestions? sprockett From ne-raves-owner Wed Oct 27 23:11:38 1993 From: beloved Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 02:11:00 -0500 Subject: Casper and Fever Status: Thanks to all who responded to my Orb post. Next chance I get, I'm going back to NY! Anyway, on to business... I don't think I'll make it to Casper this weekend but I have a favor to ask. If anyone can get me a mix tape of 333, I'll forever be in your debt. Last time I heard him he ripped it up! He's from the UK and I have a feeling he'll be heading back home soon. I'll pay you back of course. Anyone need a ride to Fever tomorrow night? If so, I'm leaving from the DC area and have room for 3 others. CALL me at 703-478-9774 and leave a message. Plan to stay the whole time (10-6am). Thanks, Paul -- beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 03:34:52 1993 From: winsomered@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 06:26:49 EDT Subject: Return of the Living Dead Status: Well, Hello all our NE Raves Friends! It's been like an eon since I've posted here...lots'o'things have happened since Rob and I saw everyone at Essence III (we did run into a few folks at Biology to hear Joey Beltram and Paul Van Dyck), but since that time I've been out of circulation big time with my asthma (that's why we don't go to certain events, like when it's outdoors and it's humid) BUT!! ~ ~~~~~~~~CASPER awaits!!!! Yes, Rob and I will be coming from Philly, I'm not sure what time we'll get there, although we would like to meet up with some of you beforehand for eats, and we'll hook-up at the designated spot at Casper itself!!!! WHheeeeeee!!!! Could anyone give me any details about Rocky Point Park? Like the areas they'll be re-naming for the night as the Mausoleum, the Crypt and the Sanctuary, are the spaces truly Indoor Areas? Thanks for any info! Linda(40,000 dancing eyeballs and me)Leigh From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 04:15:23 1993 From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 07:15:33 EDT Subject: Re: Subwoofers Status: With un limited budget?!?! buy a velodyne! they aure incredible. and expensive /=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\ Techno Fish - Aquatic Psychonaut - Crowd Navigator IO20903@Maine.Maine.EDU The U of Maine U.S.A. If your fitness is not maximized, will you survive? \=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/=\=/ From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 05:11:54 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 23:35:21 -0400 Subject: CASPER RIDES NEED Status: From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 05:50:14 1993 From: Speed Racer Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 08:49:17 EDT Subject: Subwoofers Status: Francois is right when he talks about the isobarik design for subwoofers... i had designed a nice isobarik system for my cousin's GTI...he didn't end up using the design but it sure looked nice on paper. It is a very efficient design and it's nearly bombproof, not to mention boomin' and quite compact at that. Plus it's fairly easy to build yourself... just my 2cents Speed Racer aka Joe From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 06:07:51 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 09:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Planet X Prob Status: > how German of you Mr. Horch to expect that you could wait, and Spike would > be fair. An interesting analysis, to be sure. I'm curious as to your thoughts on The Rest of the Story... Yesterday morning, I walked into Planet X to apologize for whatever my part in this might have been, not that I really believe I have any- thing to apologize for. Spike's first words were, "Not today, man." I said, "I just wanted to apologize for the other night." He said, "Give it a week; I'll accept your apology then. Come back next week and everything will be cool." End of conversation. In other words, in an obscene conflation of techno-shamanism and Christian atonement ritual, let the penitent serve out his suspension, then the holy energy will resume its unidirectional flow. Needless to say, this will not happen. -Ed From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 08:16:45 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:15:29 EDT Subject: 333 mix tape Status: a while back somebody asked one of us to pick up a 333 mix tape. he/she said that 333 was from the uk. let me just clear this up. both 333 and M Gee were BORN in England, and MOVED (as in permanently) to the U.S. when they were really young (5yrs old...if you get my point) so, just realize that you are getting yanked when you see: 333----London & M Gee--London they're just home town boys now. anyway....kinda like saying Dale Charles----San Diego. I don't think so, he's 100% A1 prime time bostonian anymore. sprockett From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 08:27:15 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 11:26:23 EDT Subject: Subs Status: Actually I have started to lean towards the Yorkville Elites. I live in an Apartment in NYC so I can't really lay out wood and start building an enclosure. Nor do I really have the tools required. Let me get this straight. Do you honestly belive that an enclusure that sounds awesome in a car (Volvo, GTI-Speed Racer)with do justice on the dancefloor packed with 600-1000 people? AYE DE BYE, unlimited budget okay an exageration, but I love the reaction. Truthfully my budget might be 1500-2000. Still a lot of money. Six gigs man! If anyone has a design I 'll gladly entertain it. Thomas Noe 180 Van Cortlandt Park South Bronx, NY 10463 DJ TOM From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 09:25:34 1993 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Subs Status: Beyond the ultraworld of Thomas C Noe: > > Actually I have started to lean towards the Yorkville Elites. > I live in an Apartment in NYC so I can't really lay out wood and start > building an enclosure. Nor do I really have the tools required. You can buy your wood (or clear 1" lexan :P ) already cut for you. You just give the store the measures. Big places have laser guided tables that do very precise jobs. > Let me get this straight. Do you honestly belive that an enclusure > that sounds awesome in a car (Volvo, GTI-Speed Racer)with do justice > on the dancefloor packed with 600-1000 people? No, no. let me get this straight. I dont have 4 hybrid 15" subs to listen in my car!!! I meant i could fit 4 of the facing hybrid subs in the car's trunk. So you can move them easily. With an equivalent driver, hybrid and isobarik designs are much more efficient. 1/4 of the regular volume for a facing hybrid (it also shows a much more stable load to the amp), and the same efficiency. So you can get Community size, with Cerwin Vega efficacity. For each sub, we are talking 105 dB @ 1 watt and 1 meter (SPL) and 700 watts RMS with the 18 inch CV (add 3dB each time you double power). > AYE DE BYE, unlimited budget okay an exageration, but I love the reaction. > Truthfully my budget might be 1500-2000. Still a lot of money. Six gigs man! Yes, it's a lot of dough, but the efficiency and size are quite interesting. As for the velodyne, it's 4000$ CDN for the VLP-18. It is an amplified subwoofer system. But the Intersonics put out much more kick. For 600-1000 people i dont think you'll find a pair of subs that can really compete in or under that price range. If you compare, just in drivers, you'll have to pay 2400$, plus casing, plus the huge quantity of power needed, plus you gotta move these big bins, and for a pair you are now into over 6000$... On the other hand, hybrids with the 18 inch CV will cost you about 1000$ each, for a total of 2000$ (this is for the wooden enclosure. Lexan would be more). The same system with 15" will cost you about 600$ each, for a total of 1200$. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 09:28:42 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: 333 mix tape Status: On Thu, 28 Oct 1993, Kristopher Setchfield wrote: > both 333 and M Gee were BORN in England, and MOVED (as in permanently) > to the U.S. when they were really young (5yrs old...if you get my point) > they're just home town boys now. heh. You just want to be able to call all the cool brits your own ;). flu'id (floo'-) (UK) From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 09:36:00 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 12:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: ??? Status: If anyone needs a ride to Casper from Philly please e-mail me at melon@access.netaxs.com as soon as possible. MY friend is renting a 15 person van on Saturday in Philly, so far he has like 4-5 people who are going...I think all he wants is to split the gas money and rental fee...you have to get your own tickets tho [at 611 Records in Philly for $22]... Jake [Melons'R'Us] From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 10:03:55 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (nate goldbaum) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 13:03:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Planet X Prob Status: Stop please! I am mighty tired of Planet X! I don't even live in NJ for god's sake. let it die. thank you nate ps i'm not a dick, and it's not an inappropriate thread. it's just time the spool ran out -- nate goldbaum goldbn@rpi.edu =============================================================================== if mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-ee cummings who would be born must first destroy a world. --hermann hesse i don't want the world, i just want your half. --they might be giants ========================================================================= From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 10:29:46 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 13:29:31 EDT Subject: Re: Planet X Prob (fwd) Status: > > > how German of you Mr. Horch to expect that you could wait, and Spike would > > be fair. > > An interesting analysis, to be sure. I'm curious as to your thoughts > on The Rest of the Story... > > Yesterday morning, I walked into Planet X to apologize for whatever my > part in this might have been, not that I really believe I have any- > thing to apologize for. Spike's first words were, "Not today, man." > I said, "I just wanted to apologize for the other night." He said, > "Give it a week; I'll accept your apology then. Come back next week > and everything will be cool." End of conversation. In other words, > in an obscene conflation of techno-shamanism and Christian atonement > ritual, let the penitent serve out his suspension, then the holy > energy will resume its unidirectional flow. > > Needless to say, this will not happen. > > -Ed > Now THAT is simply too fucked up to believe. who the fuck does this guy think he is? sheesh! this spike fellow seems to have some major beef with you Ed, it'd be interesting to see what the shit's all about. but as for attempting to make peace with this man, forget it, i'd say. you've done enough. fuck him. O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 10:30:24 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 13:29:59 EDT Subject: Re: Planet X Prob Status: > I said, "I just wanted to apologize for the other night." He said, > "Give it a week; I'll accept your apology then. Come back next week ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > and everything will be cool." End of conversation. In other words, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What an asshole. Period. dave From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 10:34:39 1993 From: Brian Deiderick Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 13:31:13 EST Subject: ??? Status: Hi there! I was given this address to see about the happenings up in the great northeastern corner of the U.S. Any sort of list information would be extremely helpful. Thanks, Brian.. From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 11:49:54 1993 From: kzimmerman@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 14:49:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: white man's disease Status: just a thought... White Man's Disease = Harder Harder Faster Faster =) comments? Kreig (posing as usual) From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 13:25:55 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Planet X Status: ....sounds like he has a spike up his arse ;) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 13:48:13 1993 From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:47:58 EDT Subject: Re: Subwoofers Status: for home audio systems, go with Velodyne. the best. for commercial use...try Sonic for bass bins, cerwin vega... fuck it, go with Velodyne. let me know what you find, i'm interested too. shannon From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 13:54:19 1993 From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 16:54:08 EDT Subject: Re: CASPER V.3 Status: shannon and SHALAKO are one and the sam...i'll be wearing a u.s.mail cap peace, shannon. From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 14:16:07 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 17:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the sweetest one of all.. Status: B j o r k will be playing in NYC on tues Nov 9 with Ultramarine. Anyone know of any other dates besides this?? my heart thanks you.. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 15:09:23 1993 From: Kasson Crooker Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 18:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: symbion project Status: on thurday november 11 at the middle east downstairs in boston local techno/trance/ambient will take a new direction the symbion project will perform a non-dat, live performance of experimental electronic music as part of the blissfactory event series also playing will be blind... so after you've recovered from aphex twin etc. check out the newest local programming... the symbion project <<>> further details will ensue From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 15:57:23 1993 From: "Susan R. Kameny" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 15:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 333 mix tape Status: On Thu, 28 Oct 1993, Kristopher Setchfield wrote: (stuff deleted) > so, just realize that you are getting yanked when you see: > > 333----London > & > M Gee--London > > they're just home town boys now. > > anyway....kinda like saying Dale Charles----San Diego. > I don't think so, he's 100% A1 prime time bostonian anymore. > > > sprockett i have a question...why does place of origin/hometown even matter...you use to be able to tell type of music via place of origin/hometown....but imho not really anymore...and why does it matter where you came from...unless you have traveled quite a distance? partyon...susie(: From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 16:30:23 1993 From: "John Speakman" Date: 28 Oct 93 19:29:00 EST Subject: re: the sweetest etc. etc. Status: > B j o r k will be playing in NYC on tues Nov 9 with Ultramarine. Anyone >know of any other dates besides this?? Sorry mate, nowhere down your way it seems. I've just got off the blower with the publicist and it's 9th NYC, 11th Boston, 13th Toronto, 16th Chicago, 17th San Francisco, 19th LA and that's your lot. I'll be at the NYC show (so will mikebee), it's at Webster Hall which probably makes for a cool venue (although the club's a bit shite), anyone else coming? John (j-on) :) From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 16:48:49 1993 From: laura@soda.berkeley.edu (Laura La Gassa) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 16:48:38 -0700 Subject: VRAVE disaster Status: Hi everyone. Sorry for the mass mailing but I thought I'd explain something now before any vraver users tried to log in. There was a massive corruption of the user database for vrave, so the entire database had to be deleted. This means you will have to start all over again with you accounts: log in as new, set up your account with either your REAL name or your login name as your vrave login name, and so forth. Don't forget that you will have to log out and in so you can see what you are typing, and in some cases you might have to be re-verified. Laura From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 16:56:22 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Maskarave Status: > > Ok so Maskarave 2 will be full of non ravers and people passing by just > like E3! shame tho... > > > There were TONS of ravers at e3? Or was I somewhere else? Jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 17:04:15 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 20:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: maskarave2 Status: ok whoever is going we are meeting at the top of the elevators at 1:00 am. Look for me...I am 5 ft. 4 with short black hair and I am extremely skinny...I should also be handing out ZooM flyers too... Jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 17:17:43 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 20:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: What is this about??? Do you have to be a "man" to understand this??? Jennifer Smeddy From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 17:38:35 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 20:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: maskarave2 Status: On Thu, 28 Oct 1993, Jennifer J. Smeddy wrote: > > > > ok whoever is going we are meeting at the top of the ESCALATORS at > 1:00 am. From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 22:49:26 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 93 18:32:00 -0500 Subject: where we'll be Status: To those who met us at Sunshine 2 and those who haven't, Rachael and I are going to be at Maskarave in NYC. Not sure what I'm wearing, but I'll be selling t-shirts/tapes and I'll have a flashlight hanging from my neck on a lanyard. Rachael will probably be helping Jenn smartbartend. Sorry we have no ride space (unless Jenn doesn't go with us) but we might hit the VR exhibit that folks were talking about last weekend and then the HardRock for dinner before we go in and set up-yeah, I know its cheezy, but the food is good and its cheap. Feel free to place me on the respective lists. I will be looking for all the net ravers! cya d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Thu Oct 28 23:17:35 1993 From: humphrey@eos.ncsu.edu Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 02:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: no casper Status: to anyone who i was going to meet at casper or get a ride with...i can not go . i am very sick and will die if i go no doubt. and am getting sicker as i work on a project due friday morning...as you can see my voice is getting hoarse and i will probably not be able to speak by tomorrow...oh, great. i'm getting hallucinations too. well, that's not to bad actually... ////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////// john, humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu /////// ///////// rainbow, john_humphrey@ncsu.edu /////// //////// humphrey, pgp key upon request /////// /////////IDM////////////////////////////////////// From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 09:03:07 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 29 Oct 1993 11:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: Kreig! I totally agree with you.. But.. I think it's just a cultural thing, and isn't something that can't be un-learned. It's that Teutonic slam slam slam slam thang.. No soul at all man.. Darshan From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 09:23:34 1993 From: athurman@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (allison lafaye turman) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 12:20:49 EDT Subject: trip Status: tickets are in hand!:) :) allison From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 09:31:00 1993 From: LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 12:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the "rave movie" Status: hi there... i was just thinking about something this morning (yay) and i thought that it would be worthy of posting....i remember a few days ago someone mentioned that there would be a "rave movie" in the grand(?) tradition of Saturday night fever, only updated for the 90's/ i can only hope this movie goes the way of all those lambada flicks (i.e. dissappears without a trace) why? it's simple actually. here we are in 1993, soon to be 1994. to me, it seems like the "rave" trend has worn off somewhat and the scene is building on the stong foundation of its roots (you know, the people who are really into it, not just scamming off a trend). it's less of a fasion statement and more of a cultural statement, sort of a family-type thing...we've survived bad press, commercialism, closedowns, and the like. and were still here. do you think a movie will reflect that? nope. no way. hollywood has no care for our scene. this movie will probably go either one of two ways: 1)the Saturday Night Fever thing, with intellibeams replacing the disco ball, and baggy pants and a fresh jive tee replacing the white linen suit :P. Or...option 2) a cheap "breakin'" "beat street" clone, complete with grumpy authority figures and repressed clean-cut squeaky-cleen "ravekidz" (yeah i know a lot of people like beat street, but think about YOUR scene portrayed like that) i would bet money that drugs would be PLAYED-OUT in a movie, that the hero is a "lone raver" escaping the mean"raver thugs" a la Karate Kid, and we would get the short end of this particular stick.... think about it: going to an event and having fun isn't exactly audience-grabbing drama. the only way hollywood will be able to get an audience is to spice up the subject matter....raving as a seething cauldron of dirty dancing, drugs, alcohol, satanic worship, hatred, lust, and.....maybe even some music! oh well...just had to get that off my mind. hope it didn't take too much of your time :) -jason/method one "scene but not herd" From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 09:40:42 1993 From: TMA@kuwait.elp.cwru.edu Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 12:34:56 EST Subject: NASA TOUR: Orbital/AphexTwin/Moby dates? Status: Hi all, I was wondering if anybody out there has the tour dates/cities for the O/A/M shows????? Please e-mail info directly to: tma@po.cwru.edu so, not to waste bandwidth! Thanks in advance. PeaceOut, TAREQ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 10:01:29 1993 From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 10:00:32 PDT Subject: Re: the "rave movie" Status: > raving as a seething cauldron of dirty dancing, drugs, alcohol, satanic > worship, hatred, lust, and.....maybe even some music! "You mean there was *music*, too?" -- Jim Ignitowski's comment about Woodstock From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 10:14:31 1993 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 13:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: Beyond the ultraworld of DARSHAN M. JESRANI: > > I totally agree with you.. And i disagree... nothing new under the virtual sun... :) > But.. I think it's just a cultural thing, and isn't something that can't > be un-learned. I'd like to point out that in some cultures, slow music and motion have always been, but in some others fast rhythms and motions have always been also. In the later i can think of several asian, african and non white american cultures where fast rhythm are part of their cultures and in some a state of trance is achieved thru these. > It's that Teutonic slam slam slam slam thang.. No soul at all man.. Ok so i'm white and my french quebecois culture has a predominance of rhythm in our folklore so i may be biased, but i dont think it has no soul. I'm pretty sure that an african american or from other cultures will state a similar thing. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 10:20:45 1993 From: rarousse@eos.ncsu.edu Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 13:20:36 EDT Subject: ??? Status: Well, I don't have a ride up to casper anymore, so it doesn't look like any of you guys will see me up there. Oh well. Maybe next time gang. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > raving as a seething cauldron of dirty dancing, drugs, alcohol, satanic > worship, hatred, lust, and.....maybe even some music! "You mean there was *music*, too?" -- Jim Ignitowski's comment about Woodstock <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I think a movie actually could be tastefully done, but not by our conservative media. If someone were to do an independent movie, and do it without a lot of drama, it could be pretty good. The thing about it is that in order to capture the real atmosphere of an event, you'd need to have a continuous soundtrack that ran through the entire movie, and not half as much talking as in any other movie. It would really have to be more like a music video than anything else. The best movie would be if someone took their own professional cameral crew to a party and filmed the whole thing. Of course, that really might ruin the party. I'm not really sure if people would want all their party 'deeds' on film. But whatever the case, the hollywood movie producers that are big now could never do justice to the scene as we know it. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 11:30:48 1993 From: kzimmerman@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:30:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: um, Francois, the point i was making which Darshan picked up on but you did not is that in my observations of how white people dance, and the music they like in America at any rate is that they instead of going for style or grooviness, what have you, they dance as if attacking the music. a white man imitating a black dance style sometimes looks really funny because when he does it he does it very jerkily, very hard. i agree with darshan, it is cultural. it certainly can be unlearned. there are good white dancers. i just base myself on when watching black and white people, both of whom know little about dancing, the black person will have simple but smooth movements. the white person will tend to use their upper body and have jerkier movements. the way he feels to get into it is harder and faster. this is where the whole "white man cant dance" myth gets started. since basically all music in 20th-century america derived from black culture, as it moved and became mainstream, it gets faster, harder... look at rock and roll. im not saying its necessarily a bad thing that white people culturally act this way, but i find it annoying becuz i dont have that mindset. ecstatic release while dancing is one thing. im talking about how they look while they are ecstatically releasing: real unsmooth and jerky, or refined and stylish. you can even compare this to white vs. black basketball styles: "white" basketball is a beat your opponent down raw rush struggle game while "black" basketball is a much more stylish, first we look good, then we score game. even skateboarding... vert (the archetypical "white" style) players are known by their roughness. Street skateboarders are known by their styles. which racial group dominates each style is obvious. BTW i do not mean that all whites are "white" as i have said and all blacks, "black". maybe a more appropriate division would be "suburban" and "urban" but even that misses the mark. these generalizations must be taken with a grain of salt. my main point in saying, "white man's disease= harder harder faster faster" is to point out that people who grow up in a "white" cultural domain learn an attitude towards things which demands they dominate by force. in a "black" cultural domain, it is by style. even the beats in a measure which are accentuated in a "white" cultural domain as opposed to a "black" one are different. all this basically, in part is one way to explain cultural tensions. but i mention white man's disease, and my recent formulation down into those four words because it is an unmistakeable likeness of a white person's attitude towards many things. it shows why as techno came forth from a forgotten side music-style, the product of three blacks from detroit and got to Europe, it returned harder and faster, and the push was towards even harder and even faster (cf. good ol' breakbeat and hardcore, 1991-3.) the same was what happened to house, which got twisted into acid house by Europeans and became harder, and faster. this is what was more inttelligble to these people; this was their cultural framework. personally i view acid-house as a debasement of true house styles, but my opinion stems mainly from the fact that i prefer the original styles. laura said a month ago that she had "white girl's disease" i.e. she did not like the shuffle beats and general complexity of garage beats. i am of the opposite persuasion, the 1-2-3-4 style which dominates the many varieties of techno and progressive house (a misnomer, as this "house" is more techno than house, it is simply slower than most techno) is unappealing to me. i know that i like what i like now because i gre up listening to music styles like r&b and rap, and really did not get into rock until i became an altie aboutt 10th grade. im just returing to my roots i guess. well, like what appeals to you. i just find i am not very comfortable at raves anymore. the music, the attitude towards it, they just no longer ring true to me. my personal conviction is that "harder harder faster faster" simply does not belong in a dance scene. but that's because my emphasis is on the dance part, not the drug part or the rehashed 60s stuff. i suppose the rave scene is really much more a drug scene than anything else, as i saw at Buzz, so hey zipadeedoodah guess thats all she wrote. my opinions. go on girl, Kreig (poseur) From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 12:22:12 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 15:21:57 EDT Subject: the "rave movie" (fwd) Status: > > hi there... > i was just thinking about something this morning (yay) and i thought > that it would be worthy of posting....i remember a few days ago > someone mentioned that there would be a "rave movie" in the grand(?) > tradition of Saturday night fever, only updated for the 90's/ > > i can only hope this movie goes the way of all those lambada flicks > (i.e. dissappears without a trace) > i agree that a hollywood bastardization of the scene into some badly made movie would do us a great disservice if taken seriously by the public. i would, however, be very supportive of smaller independantly made films about the rave scene -- like some of the rave document- aries that are being made out there. these would serve to both inform and entertain. if hollywood really wants to add some spice to a potentially dreary film about people partying, why not make one about the trials and tribulations of throwing a renegade on-the-run-from-the-law, fugitive party, complete with cops, medical emergencies, gangsta gatecrashers and club kids! heehee :) > > -jason/method one > "scene but not herd" > O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 12:46:23 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 15:46:02 EDT Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: > From ne-raves-owner@techno.Stanford.EDU Fri Oct 29 15:11:23 1993 > my personal conviction is that "harder harder faster faster" simply does > not belong in a dance scene. but that's because my emphasis is on > the dance part, not the drug part or the rehashed 60s stuff. i suppose > the rave scene is really much more a drug scene than anything else, as i > saw at Buzz, so hey zipadeedoodah guess thats all she wrote. Wow, Kreig, I guess I haven't talked to you in a WHILE. My how you've changed. Ummm... Just remember, your "personal conviction is that 'harder harder faster faster' simply does not belong in" _YOUR_ "dance scene". It's a hard pill to swallow (I've still got it stuck in my throat), but let's _celebrate_ the differences of the music/dance cultures, not _condemn_ them for being 'not like us'. My harder and faster mindset, FOR ME, is a very positive way of expressing my love of the kind of music that I enjoy. Just because someone interprets a 'harder and faster, jerky, unsmooth' or WHITE style as unappealing to watch doesn't mean that it is a negative thing. You'll usually find this white boy jerkin' his upper body in front of a bass bin all night long with a big GRIN on my face. :) We've all got our opinions, of course, but I was just trying to make the point that if you like white, it doesn't make black bad and if you like black that doesn't make white bad. We've all got our own style. Dig it white-boy? dave. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 12:50:55 1993 From: kzimmerman@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 15:50:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: dave, i agree with you, y'know. i did mean MY dance scene (i said personal conviction) yes, i am white racially. i dont care. i just dont like the harder harder faster faster attitude. its very teutonic, very over-aggressive. have your harder harder faster faster dance scene. enjoy it. im not part of it. just talking, kreig From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 13:04:06 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 16:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Just thought someone might find this interesting.. Status: Found this on misc.forsale. Who want to pick some of this up? :) Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu Article 95421 of misc.forsale: Newsgroups: misc.forsale,rec.music.makers.marketplace,rec.music.misc,rec.music.makers.synth Path: cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!convex!egsner!sdf!smj From: smj@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones) Subject: musical equipment forsale Message-ID: Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 17:28:35 GMT Lines: 118 Xref: cville-srv.wam.umd.edu misc.forsale:95421 rec.music.makers.marketplace:1540 rec.music.misc:131473 rec.music.makers.synth:13097 cha`o ca'c ba.n -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Anvil ATA flight case $150 + shipping will hold these synths (and others I am sure) I can get dimensions if these examples don't help SCI Prophet T8 (fits perfectly) Roland jupiter 6 a large flat dog (no midi, but rather, a CV > Midi converter) 13 gallons of throbbing gristle john chowning and jean michael jarre (ashed) two prophet 600s (with their z80's) a 1978 honda civic (crushed) 29 small watermellons 500 glazed donuts (with midi rev 2.81) 32 tr909's, 3 tb303's and 1 sh101... a very large severed head ------------------- Roland TR707 drum machine.. original box, manuals and adapter all working fine $150 this model as a built in level control slider ensemble ... and 1/4" out for each instrument... clock in and out (oh.. wasn't clocked out by devo a really cool groove? baby can't you dig my beat? gonna gag! unless we.. uhhhh.. clock outtttttt!!) !NOTE: 909, 808, *707*... et cetera !SPECIAL NOTE: none of these drum machines sound the same. ----------- Yamaha CS-5 3 octave Analog synthesizer tone source waveforms: Square, sawtooth, noise and EXTERNAL through the VCF and VCA.. it creates some pretty decent sounds.. and being a full 3 octaves is a plus over the synths of this size.. very clean and works great... $125 ------------ hello.. assessories: $10 - Slick Stick bag how are you? $40 - Tama (grandstar) kick drum pedal -------------- so whats up? I will accept reasonable offers... or email me with questions. -- stephen m. jones <> 214.436.4622 <> cs&e <> prophet T8 smj@sdf.lonestar.org <======> sdf system administrator ------------------------------------------------------ sole member of the anti-television foundation 92.9.02 From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 13:30:50 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 16:30:22 EDT Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: > From ne-raves-owner@techno.Stanford.EDU Fri Oct 29 16:25:04 1993 > i dont care. i just dont like the harder harder faster faster attitude. > its very teutonic, very over-aggressive. have your harder harder faster > faster dance scene. enjoy it. im not part of it. That was simply my point. harder/faster != teutonic/very over-aggressive. To me harder/faster = utter bliss/nirvana/positive good vibe Oh well. dave. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 13:47:26 1993 From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 16:47:05 EDT Subject: ??? Status: re: white man's disease, harder harder faster faster, and krieg's comdenation of all that i hold dear... in the past, i have been guilty as much, if not more than anyone, of arguing over peoples musical tastes. i find that i used to read more into a music style than was actually there, solely based on my experiences while listening to that music. (we're talking hardcore techno here) i was [and may still be ;) ] full of shit. what i was not seeing or hearing was the people that REALLY enjoyed the music. what i took as truth was the kids who displayed a stereotypical attitude associated with that style, or geographic region where the style originated from or was popular. balance, people, BALANCE. i can truthfully say that i enjoy all styles. not all for great amounts of time, and not all of everything; nobody likes shitty music, no matter what style. it's gotta be good. krieg, i take offense at your condemnation of my "dancing scene". avoid generalizations. unless you can prove that every single person that likes hardER and fastER beats, is an unhappy and aggresive person, your stereotypes are complete bullshit. one person that is different nulls the generalization. take every person as an individual, and make no attempt to classify or stereotype that person unless you've read his/her life story...NOONE IS WHAT THEY APPEAR. and whenever someone brings up the subject of dancing, i just laugh, for it is you who are obsessed with materialism, not those who who talk about. dancing is something that should not be discussed, it should be just be done. should i be discuraged from dancing because i have less pigment in my skin than someone with a family tree geographically (not generational) closer to the continent of africa? FUCK YOU! i do not dance because it is expected, i do not dance because i want to impress my friends, i don't dance to impress strangers, and i certainly don't dance to impress you!! i dance for one and only one reason: because it feels good. period. *peace, *shannon. someone tell me why my favorite style of music to listen to is roots rock reggae, and why my favorite style of music to dance to is HARD ACID TRANCE!? i'll tell you- balance. an open mind, and a free soul. From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 13:55:55 1993 From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 16:55:43 EDT Subject: ??? Status: Krieg pouted: i dont care. i just dont like the harder harder faster faster attitude. its very teutonic, very over-aggressive. have your harder harder faster faster dance scene. enjoy it. im not part of it. Dave retorted: That was simply my point. harder/faster != teutonic/very over-aggressive. To me harder/faster = utter bliss/nirvana/positive good vibe. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ CAN I HAVE AN AMEN FROM THE CONGREGATION, PLEASE! HALLELUJAH! PRAISE THE HARD-TRANCE, FOR IT IS MY SAVIOR. peace, shannon From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 14:32:32 1993 From: "Susan R. Kameny" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: kreig ...... LIFE ISNT BLACK AND WHITE..... partyon...susie (: From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 14:55:14 1993 From: "Susan R. Kameny" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 14:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: your mail Status: krieg if you could explain how your "white mans disease theory" applies to ambient music and chill out rooms...and all those white guys makin it... also what about the women in the scene or are there only guys in the statee of connenticutt???? partyon...susie (: From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 15:18:43 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 29 Oct 1993 16:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: Francois, I wasn't implying that music with a fast tempo has no soul - I think was just making a generalization, and didn't qualify it well.. :) When I replied to Kreig, I think I was just thinking about Rotterdam- style gabber-house, and obnoxiously fast, hard hardcore and the whole progression. If you want to parallel this with another style of music, you could use speed-metal - another genre dominated by white males. This is all hot-air, but it's kind of neat to think about anyway.. Darshan From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 15:42:57 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 18:14:23 EDT Subject: Dancing and White MAn's disease Status: Okay Kids, I really didn't want to jump in and add to this impending carnage but here i am with this empty can of Asbestos-Fin-Spray and nowhere to go, so i shall jump in the fire with free and easy abandon ... Kreig, your initial post and consequent response contains some very simplistic generalizations. It assumes a lot about certain types of people, what those people listen to, and how it relates to their general attitudes towards other people. Without getting into too much detail, I would hasten to disagree with you. The core of your argument/proposal is that, like Shannon said: HardCore = harder/faster = aggressive == white male ego trip House == slower/funkier == non-agresive? == black soul trip?? Huh? Am I right in picking this up as what you were basically saying? As someone else pointed out (sorry, bad with names right now) what about other forms of fast-paced ethnic (dislike that word also) tribal-trance musics? Do they inherently imply aggression also? I agree that faster paced music is definitely more energetic (duh!) and you're more likely to get bopped in the head or elbowed by other dancers accidentally if you're not careful, but this doesn't mean that this person is necessarily being aggressive towards you. I like all kinds of music too, but to try to associate certain types of music with certain types of races is bordering on racism if you ask me. That's kind of the problem I have with people who say that football is for big whites, basketball is for tall blacks and baseball is for fast hispanics. What the fuck kind of bullshit is that? (I'm not a sports fan by any description, but I HAVE heard people say this) By that definition, transferred to music, I should be listening to ambient trancy sitar as my sole source of dancing music :) love everyone as individuals and not by their musical taste/preference. Peace, PS. BTW, Kreig I am NOT flaming you as being a racist of any sort, I have read your posts and met you in person, and I don't think you came off as being that type of person. O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 16:22:43 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 19:21:46 EDT Subject: Re: your mail Status: Shannon said: > > > re: white man's disease, harder harder faster faster, and krieg's comdenation of > all that i hold dear... > > and whenever someone brings up the subject of dancing, i just laugh, for it is > you who are obsessed with materialism, not those who who talk about. dancing is > something that should not be discussed, it should be just be done. I don't know exaclty what you mean Shannon, but i discuss dancing. If im at an event and at the time not dancing i like to watch all the other people out there dancing. If i see someone really busting into a groove totally into the music looking funky, im going to be like:DAMN! and go up and shake his hand and say he/she is a good dancer. And if he/she has good moves, and i like them, ill try to incorperate them into my own dance style and make it part of myself. So what is so bad talking about dancing, about dance moves, and watching people dancing??? >should i be > discuraged from dancing because i have less pigment in my skin than someone with > a family tree geographically (not generational) closer to the continent of > africa? FUCK YOU! Dancing is a freeing of the soul. If you look back in history, a lot of dancing, particularly dancing in the United States for example, much of it is systematic, consisting of steps, or moves you have to learn in order to do a certain dance. Dancing should not be brought down into learning a system to dance. Rather i view dancing as a release of your soul through the instinctual movements of your body. One thing i think the Rave scene is really cool is that a lot of people who at one time did not dance have realized the magical power of just dancing and how good it can make one feel. But for many dancing is 'uncooth' or looked down upon. Sometimes when i have a tune stuck in my head i might just start dancing to that particular tune in my head, and people start looking at me strange, like "What the fu*k is wrong with him?" I think what a lot of people have to learn is the magic of dancing. >i do not dance because it is expected, i do not dance because > i want to impress my friends, i don't dance to impress strangers, and i > certainly don't dance to impress you!! i dance for one and only one reason: > because it feels good. period. > agreed. > *peace, > *shannon. > > someone tell me why my favorite style of music to listen to is roots rock > reggae, and why my favorite style of music to dance to is HARD ACID TRANCE!? > > i'll tell you- balance. an open mind, and a free soul. > what do i like to dance to? no particualr music in general. Just something that you know the artist has put his/her soul into and you can feel the the artists vibe while you dance. probably slightly off the issue here but :) doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 22:42:38 1993 From: cx164@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew Hupert) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 01:42:33 -0400 Subject: RAVERS<"NONRAVERS",and COMMUNITY Status: Excuse me while I vent- I am so sick of phrases like "o there were too many mnon-ravers there- I thought the whole idea of this thing was the creation of new communities, an extension of the mind expansion, dance and trance that has been on the planet for 1000,000 years, post local tribalism, NOT some elitist [piece of crap defined by what you wear, what you eat, who you fuck, if you worship, what if any politics you have, or your opinion on transcedental yodel eating aliens in the himalaya This community was not born in detroit, or in l0ondon, but on a savannah in the depths of history- and its is reforming as our ideas of non locality and virtuality reshape what a community is- If a brother or sister is next to you at a rave then s/he is a raver, and welcome to dance with me peace -- cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind planet spins..... and your ass ....so do I will follow booom mahadev From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 23:50:05 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 2:49:56 EDT Subject: RAVERS<"NONRAVERS",and COMMUNITY (fwd) Status: > Excuse me while I vent- > I am so sick of phrases like "o there were too many mnon-ravers there- > I thought the whole idea of this thing was the creation of new communities, an extension of the > mind expansion, dance and trance that has been on the planet for 1000,000 > years, post local tribalism, NOT some elitist [piece of crap defined > by what you wear, what you eat, who you fuck, if you worship, what if any politics you have, or your opinion on transcedental yodel eating aliens in the himalaya > This community was not born in detroit, or in l0ondon, but on a savannah in the depths of history- and its is reforming as our ideas of non locality and virtuality reshape what a community is- > If a brother or sister is next to you at a rave then s/he is a raver, and welcome to dance with me > peace > > > -- > cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind > planet spins..... and your ass > ....so do I will follow > booom mahadev Well said John, remember -- all of us were 'non-ravers' at some point. there's nothing wrong with people being there just out of curiosity to see what a rave is. and just what *IS* a raver anyway, like John said. apart from some basic fuzzy notions of tolerance and togetherness, we can't seem to agree on anything, music being one of them :) piece O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 23:51:52 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 2:51:43 EDT Subject: RAVERS<"NONRAVERS",and COMMUNITY (fwd) Status: > cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind > planet spins..... and your ass > ....so do I will follow > booom mahadev Damn, i did it once again. I meant, Matthew, not John. i don't know why i keep confusing you two -- possibly because you have similar last names :) apologies O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Oct 29 23:52:38 1993 From: xepera@netcom.com (Andrew Nourse) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 23:52:47 PDT Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: > in my observations of how white people dance, and the music > they like in America at any rate is that they instead of going for style > or grooviness, what have you, they dance as if attacking the music. When I dance, I'm trying to climb inside the music. It seems to me that most of the other folks I see dancing are doing something similar. It depends somewhat on where you look, of course. I dance most often at raves and Grateful Dead concerts (I dance at other concerts as well, but people keep telling me to sit down :^( ). > a white > man imitating a black dance style sometimes looks really funny because when > he does it he does it very jerkily, very hard. Maybe the people you were watching weren't imitating anything. > it certainly can be unlearned. there are good white dancers. i just > base myself on when watching black and white people, both of whom know little > about dancing, the black person will have simple but smooth movements. the white > person will tend to use their upper body and have jerkier movements. the way > he feels to get into it is harder and faster. this is where the whole "white > man cant dance" myth gets started. That is also how one is likely to dance in a very crowded hall, or if one has done most of ones dancing in such places. Footwork requires more room! > faster, harder... look at rock and roll. im not saying its necessarily a bad > thing that white people culturally act this way, but i find it annoying becuz > i dont have that mindset. ecstatic release while dancing is one thing. im > talking about how they look while they are ecstatically releasing: real > unsmooth and jerky, or refined and stylish. I don't really give a hoot about being stylish when I'm dancing, and even less about being "refined", whatever that is. I dance for the magic of it, and I find that magic to be most potent when dancing to something that is right on the edge of danceability. > these generalizations must be taken > with a grain of salt. Please pass the salt. Thank you. > my main point in saying, "white man's disease= > harder harder faster faster" is to point out that people who grow up > in a "white" cultural domain learn an attitude towards things which demands > they dominate by force. I must have been a slow learner. > > personally i view acid-house as a debasement of true house styles, but my > opinion stems mainly from the fact that i prefer the original styles. > laura said a month ago that she had "white girl's disease" i.e. she > did not like the shuffle beats and general complexity of garage beats. i > am of the opposite persuasion, the 1-2-3-4 style which dominates the many > varieties of techno and progressive house (a misnomer, as this "house" is > more techno than house, it is simply slower than most techno) is unappealing > to me. I DO like the more complex beats. They may be more challenging to dance to, but it's FUN and doing it gets me high! I get tired of listening to 4/4 all the time. But when the house stuff turns into disco, replete with wailing divas I lose interest really fast. > my personal conviction is that "harder harder faster faster" simply does > not belong in a dance scene. but that's because my emphasis is on > the dance part, not the drug part or the rehashed 60s stuff. i suppose The music and the dancing are more powerful than any drugs, in my opinion. Dancing oneself into a trance is a very old and very effective way of altering one's consciousness. It has nothing to do with style. What it looks like from the outside is completely irrelevent. It has been practiced since before the dawn of recorded history in every part of the world. The full moon is getting higher. I'm going to stop talking about it and go to the beach and do it! rave on, if it is your will to do so &andy From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 00:24:41 1993 From: Poseur Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 03:24:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Kreig the Asshole Sounds Off!!! =) Status: okay, look up people. when i said white people dance "harder harder faster faster" i did not CONDEMN it, i meant i had finally touched upon something. perhaps to explain it, it all began when at September '92 Storm, my black friend Malcolm who comes from Manhattan who was with us for the nite cuz Wesleyan is a dull bastard, hated it re: "this music is too hard..." "the dancing lacks rhythm" etc/ OKAY. i do not condemn WHITE (culturally) dancing. i simply entertain an OBSERVATIOn, my own, on what affects the different styles on a racial (more appropritely, a CULTURAL basis) so what kreig thinks: 1) harder harder faster faster annoying 2) groovy cool 3) funky cool 4) stylish cool 5) lets get bizzy i dontt give a fuck what you all think about all that shit, and i dont care how you dance. please, i only offer my small humble opinion. dance how you like, fuck who you like, wear what you like, smile however you like. i like what i like. if you care, fine. if you dont, dont. I WAS NOT CONDEMNING ANYONE. OR A GROUP. WHY DO YOU THINKthe =) was IN MY FIRST POST. Please, i am a sacrcastic, unserious, person. NEVER take my talk as gospel. I talk cause i like to hear my vocal cords vibrate. OKAY? NOT CONDEMNING, JUST IN LOVE WITH WHAT HE LOVES, Kreig the Poseur PEACE. SHEEESH!!! From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 00:39:52 1993 From: Daft Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 03:39:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: no susie, you're right. life is not black and white it's purple and orange. Elucidated, Kreig the Poseur From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 00:47:23 1993 From: vkuperma@mason1.gmu.edu () Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 03:47:19 -0400 Subject: Harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Status: Harder Faster Harder Faster Harder Faster Harder Faster Harder Faster Harder!!! H a r d c o r e A s y l u m ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Fuckin Hostiiiiiille!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Need we Say more??? - The Demented DJ Speed Demon - - Master of Nightmarez - From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 01:45:02 1993 From: 6ANTHONY_M@spcvxa.spc.edu Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 04:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MASKARAVE 2 Status: Hey... Sorry I am posting this late, but I couldn't get into my account for a few days. I will be going to M2 since I couldn't find a ride anywhere else. If anyone is coming from far away and wants some crash space in NJ, get in touch with me quick. It is pretty easy to get to NYC from where I am. Just hop on the PATH train, then the normal nyc subway to the coliseum. SO if ya wanna hook up you can get in touch either on here or 201-437-8736 or if im not there 201-437-5057. Ask for Joe not Fiend :).. see ya.. the fiend From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 02:40:48 1993 From: FIEND <6ANTHONY_M@spcvxa.spc.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 05:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: > it certainly can be unlearned. there are good white dancers. i just > base myself on when watching black and white people, both of whom know little > about dancing, the black person will have simple but smooth movements. the white > person will tend to use their upper body and have jerkier movements. the way > he feels to get into it is harder and faster. this is where the whole "white > man cant dance" myth gets started. I thought people, ravers especially got beyond the whole racial stereotyping thing. I guess I was wrong. > faster, harder... look at rock and roll. im not saying its necessarily a bad > thing that white people culturally act this way, but i find it annoying becuz > i dont have that mindset. ecstatic release while dancing is one thing. im > talking about how they look while they are ecstatically releasing: real > unsmooth and jerky, or refined and stylish. So then don't watch them. I find it real annoying watching smooth flowing people dance like balerina's along the floor. We both like different things. Wow. (Actually I don't find it annoying, but just wanted to show you how stupid your 'theory' is. > my main point in saying, "white man's disease= > harder harder faster faster" is to point out that people who grow up > in a "white" cultural domain learn an attitude towards things which demands > they dominate by force. Oh please. Show me a society thats history is not full of 'might is right' ideas and war/bloodshed. > my personal conviction is that "harder harder faster faster" simply does > not belong in a dance scene. but that's because my emphasis is on > the dance part, not the drug part or the rehashed 60s stuff. i suppose Oh great god of the dance scene. Tell me what else I may and may not do. harder harder faster faster belongs in the scene, if those participating in that scene like it. If you don't like the music coming out, then make your own and show us how right you really are. But please quit your racist generalizations and stupid whining. PS. I know I sent the CC to the wrong person, but I deleted the original. This VAX mailer really sucks, and I have to CC the mail to the list if I want to use quotes from the original mail. the fiend From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 07:55:07 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 10:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Casper - bring your rain gear Status: While poking around in the Weather Underground, one of the neater Internet facilities (telnet madlab.sprl.umich.edu 3000), I checked the forecast for Providence (city code pvd). Not so good. Dress warm and bring your rain gear. Other than that, have fun. -Ed ------------ valuable coupon ------------ clip and save ------------ Weather Conditions at 10 AM EDT on 30 OCT 93 for Providence, RI. Temp(F) Humidity(%) Wind(mph) Pressure(in) Weather ======================================================================== 51 86% NORTH at 6 29.91 Overcast PROVIDENCE AND VICINITY FORECAST NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PROVIDENCE RI 331 AM EDT SAT OCT 30 1993 TODAY...CLOUDY WITH RAIN DEVELOPING THIS AFTERNOON. HIGH NEAR 55. LIGHT VARIABLE WIND BECOMING NORTHEAST AROUND 10 MPH. CHANCE OF RAIN 90 PERCENT. TONIGHT...RAIN...POSSIBLY HEAVY AT TIMES. LOW IN THE MID 40S. NORTHEAST WIND 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF RAIN NEAR 100 PERCENT. SUNDAY...OCCASIONAL SHOWERS. HIGH 50 TO 55. CHANCE OF RAIN 90 PERCENT. From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 12:29:49 1993 From: LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE:ravers, nonravers, and community Status: yes, were were all nonravers at one time...and yes, the "rave scene" should not discriminate against newcomers... but first, let me tell you a little story back when i was in high school in new jersey, there was a certain philidelphia club (that shall remain nameless) that i went to frequently. every weekend they would hold a "rave".....though the title isn't exactly accurate, it was a fun thing to do, anyway. soooooo....people danced and had fun. it wasnt much, but it was there....at this point i was kind of new to the scene myself, having listened to the music for a while but never getting involved into going out. anyway (i'm going ooff into a tangent here :P), it was a worthwhile, non stressful time. but after a while, the scene in this club began to change for the worst. more "non-ravers" began to frequent the club. and when i say "non-ravers", i dont mean new people who want to enjoy the scene. the people who started showing up were the worst kind of club scum....baggy pants and smiles replaced quickly by beepers and icy stares. these newcomers had no interest in unity, or the "scene", or even music. people started getting the shit beaten out of them, more people started going as an "image" thing, people began to assert their "toughness" instead of their "happiness". there was no point to going anymore, and apparently a lot of people agreed with me. my point in all this? we cant just come out and say "all people everywhere are invited to join in our little family, dont forget money for the smart bar!" although this is a noble idea, an idea that i would like support, i just cant see it happening. there should be a simple rule on newcomers : "if youre here to dance and have a good time, welcome. if not, go away" being a true "raver" isn't dependant on how many events you've gone to. it's not dependant on your haircut or style of dress. it is, however, dependant on your attitude; we should have no room for those who want to be a "tough guy", those who glare at the people dancing around them, and those who are there for an easy lay. we will never have community untill everyone wants to be a part of it. -jason/method one "scene but not herd" From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 12:34:43 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 23:07:00 -0500 Subject: the "rave movie" Status: On 10-29-93, method1 wrote to ne-raves: Q> nope. no way. hollywood has no care for our scene. this movie will Q> probably go either one of two ways: 1)the Saturday Night Fever thing, Q> with intellibeams replacing the disco ball, and baggy pants and a Q> fresh jive tee replacing the white linen suit :P. Or...option 2) a Which could either drown in a sea of movie-goer's apathy or do the same thing to techno that SNF did to Disco: prostitute the underground for blatant commercialism and pave the way for a banner crop of "corporate" techno. It was due to the commercialism of disco that the movers/shakers went WAY underground and did not surface again for quite some time, some of who (like, say, Baby Ford?) assisted in the molding of our current scene. If they follow the SNF through to the music selection, it should be good; most of the SNF soundtrack was plucked from club DJ recommendations, except for the commercialism in the B Gs, who were NEVER part of the scene, according to people interviewed. Q> cheap "breakin'" "beat street" clone, complete with grumpy authority Q> figures and repressed clean-cut squeaky-cleen "ravekidz" (yeah i know Q> a lot of people like beat street, but think about YOUR scene Bleah! At least SNF had decent acting! Q> portrayed like that) i would bet money that drugs would be PLAYED-OUT Not just likely, inevitable. Q> in a movie, that the hero is a "lone raver" escaping the mean"raver Q> thugs" a la Karate Kid, and we would get the short end of this Q> particular stick.... I think you could twist this into a decent plot: say the underground DJ, trying to make it big, gets shot down by the big clubs so (s)he gets into rave dj-ing and is a natural, gets such a rep that all the clubs now want him/her, resort to breaking his fingers (not for passing out flyers) making the club owner$ the bad guys and the rave scene his/her sanctuary and hallowed ground. eh, it might work, but they'll never go for it! Q> think about it: going to an event and having fun isn't exactly Q> audience-grabbing drama. the only way hollywood will be able to get Q> an audience is to spice up the subject matter....raving as a seething Q> cauldron of dirty dancing, drugs, alcohol, satanic worship, hatred, Oh I like this one ----------------------------^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Don't forget Terrence McKenna: "This isn't the end of the world, this is the GARDEN PARTY before the end of the world! (now lets do some DMT)" Q> lust, and.....maybe even some music! It should be in 3-d with no seats in the theater, pushing the max limits of the loudest THX system, and free jolly ranchers and blow pops! d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 12:57:25 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 23:06:00 -0500 Subject: white man's disease Status: A few comments, if I may: On 10-29-93, QARHP01!KZIMMERMAN%WILLET wrote to ne-raves: Q> certainly can be unlearned. there are good white dancers. i just base Q> myself on when watching black and white people, both of whom know Q> little about dancing, the black person will have simple but smooth Q> movements. the white person will tend to use their upper body and Q> have jerkier movements. the way he feels to get into it is harder and Western cultures historically have a different, almost inferior, sense of thier physical self in comparison to easter or african cultures. Could this be the a revalation of remnants of the differences? Q> faster. this is where the whole "white man cant dance" myth gets Q> started. since basically all music in 20th-century america derived Q> from black culture, as it moved and became mainstream, it gets Q> faster, harder... look at rock and roll. im not saying its Q> necessarily a bad thing that white people culturally act this way, Q> but i find it annoying becuz i dont have that mindset. I don't necessarily think that whitewashing (ooh, I'll catch it for that one) music always indicates and increase in tempo and fury. Some music, like African, Brazillian and Cuban music, is based on the repeated massaging of a particular rhythum through to trance-like perfection. Western music's roots are in a much more dynamic (as in variations in force) form than this repeating rhythum style, but less groovy. I'm not saying which is better, they are just SO different, it makes being a person of ANY color in the 20th century even more confusing. Q> even the beats in a measure which are accentuated in a "white" Q> cultural domain as opposed to a "black" one are different. This is historically significant, but becoming less and less true. Jamaican rhythums are based on the opposite beat to that of Western Music, but now that rock and jazz have unending multicultural influences, the beats begin to mesh. Q> but i mention white man's disease, and my recent formulation down Q> into those four words because it is an unmistakeable likeness of a Q> white person's attitude towards many things. it shows why as techno Q> came forth from a forgotten side music-style, the product of three Do you mean disco or motown?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Q> blacks from detroit and got to Europe, it returned harder and faster, Q> and the push was towards even harder and even faster (cf. good ol' This is arguable. Many people in the biz believe that the opposite happened. They say Euro-disco evolved (mostly in britain, esp manchester) into Acid House, which put Hacienda on the XTC map. The media (and the police) jumped all over the heavy drug use in the UK club and rave scene, giving Acid House a bad name. Then the "acid" was stripped off the name and a cleaner, more soulful House music was released. Those who preffered the more entrancing original form went underground and came back with techno. This I heard from a guy who was HEAVY in the indie/club/dance scene in UK and Detroit from disco to the present. Q> breakbeat and hardcore, 1991-3.) the same was what happened to house, Q> which got twisted into acid house by Europeans and became harder, and Q> faster. this is what was more inttelligble to these people; this was Q> their cultural framework. See above. Q> personally i view acid-house as a debasement of true house styles, Q> but my opinion stems mainly from the fact that i prefer the original Q> styles. laura said a month ago that she had "white girl's disease" Again, see above, althought I may just be picking on semantics at this point. Sorry. Q> my personal conviction is that "harder harder faster faster" simply Q> does not belong in a dance scene. but that's because my emphasis is Q> on the dance part, not the drug part or the rehashed 60s stuff. i It will pass. Tempos go up and down, just like skirt lenghts in vogue. Rember in the early 80's almost everything was 120-140bpm, then Kraftwerk releases Electric Cafe in 86, with a whole side at 104bpm (I'm guessing) and by 1990 we were up to our knees in <110bpm dance music. Especially that Soul2Soul shuffle. Now things have flowed in the opposite direction and eventually it will flow back again. I used to go to raves and wait around for the 120bpm trancy stuff, cause it reminded me of acid house, while they played all this vacuum-cleaner hardcore. But now that artists are using the higher tempos as a tool instead of a novelty, I like the 130-155bpm range. Q> suppose the rave scene is really much more a drug scene than anything Q> else, as i saw at Buzz, so hey zipadeedoodah guess thats all she Q> wrote. I would hate to think it really comes down to this. I'm not against experimentation; but addiction is another thing. However, one thing I believe is that raves are not for dancing in the sense that the Western world knows, which is a concept you subscribe to. The rave is a telepathic connection via music that alters neural behavior. Read that again, I mean it. Not telepathic in the sense that "I can read your thoughts" but in the sense that the frequencies the brain operates on begin to align with others in the space which creates an energy which we know nothing about. We don't know how to measure it, store it, use it, but we sense it, which is why we keep coming back. If a rave to you was an event to perform your dance (even if you are your only audience) then you have missed the point. Don't worry, many people do, and still love the scene, and will get invited back by everyone. I'm not trying to perpetuate a cereberal/neural one-uppsmanship or anything, just trying to discover what supports differences in order to enhance unity. Q> my opinions. go on girl, Kreig (poseur) BTW, what does this mean?----------^^^^^^ peace d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 14:19:56 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 17:19:39 EDT Subject: RE:ravers, nonravers, and community (fwd) Status: > > yes, were were all nonravers at one time...and yes, the "rave scene" should > not discriminate against newcomers... > > but first, let me tell you a little story > : : : > -jason/method one > "scene but not herd" > Good points Jason, and i agree that the arrival of any new musical or cultural scene is accompanied by the trendies and what some folks would call 'undesirables'. I guess this is why it is important to dissemminate real information about the scene through forums like this and through flyers and zines etc, so that people who are interested in knowing what the theory behind it (if any) is. I guess the presence of the beeper and clubkid types has caused some folks to go underground, so that only those who truly want to be there will show up. I remember at one of the B2B's this summer as we were walking towards the site, we ran into this bunch of apparently disgruntled club kids who told us that 'it sucked' and that we should 'go to the limelight' :) honestly :) another time, i ran into another bunch of whiney kids who were complaining that they had got lost, they didn't want to have to walk so far from their car to the site, that there were only 200 people there? i wanted to smack them, but i lit my flashlight for them anyway, and besides, the guy was wearing a muscle shirt :) see, people like this who aren't really there for any other reason than for being trendy or whatever are not likely to come to these underground and magical events. but i DO want to re-emphasze Jason's good point that being a raver has nothing to do with your clothes, haircut, dancing style or whatever. it's just the attitude that counts. O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 17:46:11 1993 From: map@cs.washington.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 17:46:25 -0700 Subject: help me! Status: what is the name of the character john lone plays in the new movie M. Butterfly? the man who pretended to be a woman.. i need to know because that is who i am for halloween ;) thanks.. mike From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 18:28:55 1993 From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 18:28:35 -0700 Subject: Re: the "rave movie" Status: One the topic of making a movie... I seriously doubt any work of fiction someone could conjure up could compete with the plain ol' truth - I think a really good documentary could be done, from "our" vantage point, that could communicate very well what it's all about. I was standing on a beach this morning with 2500 other mad dancers, thinking, this is historic, this is stranger than any fiction, this is REAL, this is something that has to be LIVED to be believed and no recreation will come close. This is something I'll be telling my grandkids about. I want to capture all this while it's happening. Brian "on the phone with Time/Life" B From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 21:58:04 1993 From: trance@netcom.com (Tamara Palmer) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 21:58:42 PDT Subject: the "rave" movie Status: SMART EGG PICTURES 62 Brompton Rd, London SW3 1BW UK Ph: (44-71)581-1841 Fax: (44-71) 581-8998 RAVE - DANCING TO A DIFFERENT BEAT (USA;drama) Producer: Luigi Cingolani; Director; Shabba-Doo; cast: Eddie Garcia, Ray Oriel, Keri Jo Chapman, Gina Philips. The unrelenting fear of the underground dance scene. *Whatever.* -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- Tamara Palmer trance@netcom.com Les beats sont hypnotiques et hallucinants -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- -- From ne-raves-owner Sat Oct 30 23:18:13 1993 From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 01:17:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: the "rave movie" Status: Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 30-Oct-93 the "rave" movie by Tamara Palmer@netcom.com > Producer: Luigi Cingolani; Director; Shabba-Doo; cast: Eddie Garcia, Ray Oriel, Just so's ya know...."Shabba-Doo" was one of the principal characters in "Breakin" and "Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo"., hell, he was the main character.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D mikebee _________________________________________________________________ mikebee@cmu.edu | Australia! Australia! We love you, Amen. | Michel Battaglia | | nuff vibes | --Monty Python's Flying Circus | -----------------------------------------------------------------| ---------------------|___________________________________________| From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 00:24:19 1993 From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 00:24:01 -0700 Subject: Re: the "rave movie" Status: } > Producer: Luigi Cingolani; Director; Shabba-Doo; cast: Eddie Garcia, } Ray Oriel, } } Just so's ya know...."Shabba-Doo" was one of the principal characters in } "Breakin" and "Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo"., hell, he was the main } character.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D } mikebee And hey, wasn't Luigi one of those Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Brian "Content Free Post #343" B. From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 01:06:58 1993 From: StevenJ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 03:04:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: from smiles to frowns Status: Melissa and I just got back home from Grave Reverence. We had a GREAT time, but we had to leave a bit early 'cause we're both getting over colds and have stuff to do this weekend. The event was everything it promised to be: back to basics, thumpin' music, wide & thick vibe, friendly, smiling people. The best set spun was ESP Woody's; a mix of harder trancier stuff with just enough of a house influence. I danced my ass off for the whole set. The number of vendors was kept down to a minimum and the venue for the rave was about 40 minutes out from Milwaukee in a skate rink (ala Rejoice, but not quite as big). When we left around 3am there were about 750-1000 people bouncin' around and enjoying the vibe. But then... The music stopped and a man came on the mic. He said his name was John and was speaking on behalf of a gentleman named Attorney Pangman who has been taking care of the civil suit left-over from the Grave fiasco of last Halloween. Pangman also had a booth set up in the vendor area handing out flyers about `fighting for your right to be left alone' and so on. As John continued to speak about Attorney Pangman he used phrases which evoked images of the cops busting us all at Grave last year, muscling us around, holding us without charging us for hours and for some an entire day. It may be legal, but it's just plain wrong. John spoke of how our rights were violated and how Mr. Pangman has been fighting for those rights for months in Milwaukee civil court. This is a dubious claim at best. If you don't know what happened last year at Grave I can give a very brief summary. A very large rave took place, Grave, on Halloween, 1992. At about 1:30am the Milwaukee police shut down the party and proceeded to hand-cuff us all and write citations which included fines of over $300. Most of the details aren't that important for the point I'm trying to get to. It seems that Mr. Pangman is now running for a Wisconsin State Senate seat and feels that he will be able to snatch up the `rave scene vote' by proselytizing the masses at raves in the Milwaukee area. I don't know about you, but this makes me sick to my stomach. Details aside, he had very little to do with getting the charges against us dropped last year, this was the work of Peter Musante. I am in no way trying to pump up Mr. Musante's reputation, this is not my mission. What I want to do is make you aware of who Mr. Pangman is and what he is really doing. By stopping the vibe at a rave he doesn't at all support the scene. Also, I am very disappointed in Drop Bass for allowing Mr. Pangman to speak at Grave Reverence when what he is doing has absolutely nothing to do with the scene. He just wants votes. If he wants our vote, drop some info in our backpacks and let us make an informed decision for ourselves. If we need more info or want to volunteer for his cause we'll call him. If he is so strongly fighting for our right to be left alone, then leave us alone. I just don't feel that a rave is the place for getting votes for being elected to a public office. I'm going to be getting copies of this letter to all the rave mailing lists on Internet, to some of the Milwaukee and Chicago zines and to Reactor in Chicago. I'm not trying to whip up anger aimed at Mr. Pangman. He has every right to do what he is doing, I just feel that it is wrong and I would hope that everyone realizes what he is really trying to do and just ignore him. After the next Wisconsin State Senate election, he'll just go back to his law practice and hopefully we won't have to deal with him anymore. Steve White stevenJ on vrave aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 10:35:41 1993 From: LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 13:35:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: the "rave movie" redux Status: well well well.... It looks like, according to current posts, this "rave movie" is going to turn out exactly like we've feared....Breakin' and Beat Street ties, a plot that has no grip on reality...."the unrelenting fear of the underground dance scene?" WHAT?!?let's take a little poll here:how many events have you gone to with an atmosphere of "unrelenting fear"? must be the same place where people tell me that "...at raves, everyone gets wasted and has sex in front of everyone":P i dont know about you, but the only unrelenting fear i've had in relation to an event was when danFREElove ordered the breakfast burrito at McDonalds after Sunshine II :). a bunch of people have mentioned that a documentary, properly done, could be an asset tto our scene. Any takers? we need something to pull us from this lowbudget hollywood mess.... -jason/method one "scene but not herd" From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 10:51:35 1993 From: LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 13:51:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: the first time.... Status: just wondering.... how did you even get involved into the rave scene, anyway? everyone seems to have a defining moment, an event that got them into this happy amoebic mass known as "rave". so, how about it? confess! personally, i guess i was started by the first 808 State tape, back in 1990 or so. that shit just blew me away; i can remember twirling around my room to "pacific"...the music was such an opposite to the tepid dance crap the philly radio stations played (eeeeewwwww! "club music", we called it. midtempo "...ooh boy i love you so..."yuck :P). my musical horizons expanded from there... now, it's your turn... jason/method one From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 11:13:18 1993 From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 14:11:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: the first time.... Status: Beyond the ultraworld of LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu: > > just wondering.... > > how did you even get involved into the rave scene, anyway? everyone seems to > have a defining moment, an event that got them into this happy amoebic mass > known as "rave". I started DJing dancemusic in the 80s and it's in 87 that i really got more and more into techno and acid house. I was going to acid parties and warehouse parties which changed name at some point and became known as raves. The funny thing is that it's the same people, the same type of music, only the names have changed. I'd even say that raves are actually acid parties + warehouse parties merged (techno was played at acid party and house at warehouse) and the crowd from both got together at the same events except for warehouse djs and a part of the crowd who invaded the clubs (the reason why deep house is played at almost all dance clubs in Montreal since 1990). So basically, i was just in the dance music scene and it evolved the way it is presently. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 11:42:40 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 31 Oct 1993 15:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: ..All I can say is that I offer a big, fat, thumb-in-the-air (read 'I Agree', 'word up', or whatever..) to Kreig for taking the time to explain the subtleties of his observation. Anyone who interpreted the remark as an attempt to racially divide the scene, or as an insult to any particular style of dance or music - missed the point. It's true - not everything is black-and-white - it's just a question of whether or not one chooses to see it that way. Darshan From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 12:27:11 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 31 Oct 1993 16:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: I just read Rishad's post.. Something that really caught my attention was his comment about the 'border- line racist' implications of any attempt to attribute a musical/dance style to any particular race. This was not the point of Kreig's statement at all, and this whole discussion is getting a little scary and personal. This is a really delicate issue. Maybe we should just stop talking about it? I mean, yeah, nothing is really black-and-white - but on the other hand, nothing is really so non-associative either. 'Balance, people, balance.' - Shannon (Shalako) Darshan From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 13:10:04 1993 From: hlanders@pop.cis.yale.edu (heather landers) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 16:09:40 EST Subject: Re: first time/ravers nonravers Status: hi! this message sort of applies to both the first rave experience, and ravers nonravers. i'm new to this thing so please hear me out. my first experience stemmed from waht you all seem to deem one of the horrid exploits of the rave scene. i'm from the sf bay area, and i read an article inthe sanfrancicso chronicle magazine about raves maybe two years ago. after i read that i decided i WANTED to go to a rave. i showed my friends the article and they said "yea right i'll believe it when i see you actually go to one" then that summer i kept planning to go, but my plans kept falling through (i always had to find when someone's parents would be out of town). then the next school year i was on the school newspaper, and i suggested we do an article on raves. i was assigned the article with two of my friends and for the article we had an excuse to actually GO to a rave. we went to haight street during the day to find where there was one going on that night, and also to get a cool "rave" outfit. we got the number for one that was very underground and set off. we had to meet a a bus stop at 11 where we were given a map at 1am to the next place where we were supposed to pay and get in a shuttle truck which would take us there. by then it was 2am and we had to be home by 4 and the truck wouldn't take us back to our car untill 6 so we had to go home. but during this whole experience we met so many intersting uninhibited people, willing to strike up conversation with even us lowly high school kids (we were by far the youngest there) i definately was struck by the magic of a rave, and i hadn't even been to one yet!! i had always been a "club kid" (if thats what you want to call it) i loved going to clubs,a because i love to dance. i have no really fancy moves, no incredible dancing skill, but i just love it anyway. the people who i had met tha night i soon learned were "ravers", beacuse i did lear theat there really was a difference between ravers and non ravers. i have gone to a few more raves since that night, but not many. (they're quite expensive, and often hard to get to) but i do think of myself as a raver because of the power the music gives me when i am there, or even when i hear techno at a club or even school dance. the atmospere of a rave cannot be moved to these places though, and i miss that when i hear the music. so far i havn't bee to any raves on the east coast, bit i hope i find one i can atend soon, cuz i'm geting a longing for a good one!! the last one i was at in SF was very publicized and commercialized. there were lots of nonravers there making it very cliquey. there were groups of people who all knew each other and they gave cold stares to those of us who they didn't know. even on the dance floor people were very self absorbed. i hope i find a good one here soon!! thanks for listening-- RAVE ON!! -- zoie ;) From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 13:24:59 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 16:24:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: > This is a really delicate issue. Maybe we should just stop talking about > it? Actually, I think its delicacy is a good reason *to* talk about it. Otherwise, peace, love, unity and respect degenerate into nothing more that sweeping our differences under the rug, and adopting that all- too-fluffy "be happy or else" pseudo-philosophy. Reducing ourselves to the least common denominator isn't called unity, it's called fascism. -Ed From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 13:42:50 1993 From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 21:28 GMT Subject: RAVING: First time Status: Well, I guess it started when I got involved with Techno music in general at a club here in DC called "The Kindergarten." It was a one-night-a-week techno party (Sundays) that lasted till late in the morning (6 or 7am.) The DJ was Jean-Philipe Aviance who moved to LA and the club (well, Kindergarten) closed. Wanting to hear more techno I sought out others who had the same interests (including Rob Campanell here on the Net.) I started going to more and more raves and, well, that's how I got started. Eric From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 15:17:14 1993 From: winsomered@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Oct 93 18:06:58 EST Subject: That movie thing Status: =:0->--< Hello All!! First of all....As those of you that were there have probably surmised by now, Rob and I didn't make it to Casper.....As BADLY as I wanted to go (so Psyched Up!) I decided that my physical health had to come first.....besides, without my body, I'd just be a Ghost of my former self....BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Hope y'all had a rollicking time......We'll be going to the Troc in Philly tonight for the NASA thingee. As far as the discussion about the Rave movie and peoples suggestions that we make our own documentry....wellllllll......there was a LOT of filming done at Esseence III....a Lot!!! (that's why the lights kept going on) they taped the dj's spinning, the performance by Dub Tribe and several times, of the dancers dancing....................does anyone know what is to become of this video footage? I wonder. By the by.......Rob attended the Independant Feature Film Market in New York recently,(he did some writing on a friends project) where they were hyping a (this is all from the flyer, which, by the way, features a small zip-lock baggie with "Inside the Underground" imprinted on it....with.....a big capsule inside (contents unknown)...which, also by the way, the guy giving them out, when asked 'is this real?' said, 'it's all in your head anyway.' ! ) "documentary work in progress" --------INSIDE THE UNDERGROUND------- A Feel Good Production......."in the tradition of 'Woodstock' and "The Decline",this film takes you deep within the current rave scene examining todays most notorious, and misunderstood subculture" Contact Jason Garrett 212-460-8696,Feel Good Films 310-454-3828 Well, there you have it....that's all we know about it, interesting huh?! Big smiles and Peace to everyone, Linda Leigh From ne-raves-owner Sun Oct 31 16:19:25 1993 From: The Little Engine That Could Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 19:17:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: How I Fell In Status: To be completely honest, I don't really know. Everyone seems to have approached this from the music side, but I think I did more from the electronic/net side. I had heard some techno and liked it but didn't know the extent of the scene. I can't imagine raving without the link to the net. How to get information, meet and remeet people, etc. After I started to learn more and more via alt.rave and ne/dc/v rave, I got more into the music and then more into the net and then more into the music and then more into ... you get the point. So I don't know exactly where I am or how I got here, but I'm loving every minute of it. .........1.11.21.1211.111221.312211.13112221.1113213211.31131211131221......... dave sklar \ sklar@minerva.cis.yale.edu \ "i just grin as i walk" - bboys From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 01:11:38 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 03:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Aphextacy Status: WOOW! that about says it all. Just got back from the moby/afx/orbital show in Philadelphia. Soon after arriving, I saw a guy wearing an afx shirt and went over to say hello - he was actually Scott, the Aphex Twin dancer :) He's a really nice guy, we talked about all kinds of stuff before he had to go get ready for the show. Soon after meeting Scott, Richard James himself came by and I got to say hello to him again and give him an NE:Raves sticker :). Orbital came on after VapourSpace (+8) and played a fairly long set which got fairly boring towards the end, but was really good in the mainpart. Then finally, it was time for richard to do his stuff. Talk about a lack of stage presence..you didnt really know he was even there. The entire performance, which was totally live, took place off the edge of the stage with richard sitting in front of his Atari while Scott, the dancer, took center stage and went crazy jumping and pointing around like a madman. His set was comprised mostly of unreleased material ranging from some heavy dub experimental sounds to an all out auditory assault. brutal. One of the few songs that I was able to pick out was his remix of Mescalinium Uniteds "we have arrived" which pounded and pounded for quite some time. Also, given out on the tour, were cassettes with tracks from each of the performing artists, including "d-scape" (i think) by afx. My one complaint of the night - I didnt get one :(. Anyway, from talking to Scott and Rich, heres some info I collected. Selected Ambient Works II, which is now scheduled for January, will be (as rumored) a double CD/triple vinyl collection with 25 tracks, over 2 hours of music. Scott said that he'd heard 75% of the album already and that it was a lot more experimental than the first, "classic richard" :) yaaaay. Oh, nearly forgot. The mistaken identity thing happened again...while lurking around in the dark, somebody came up to me and tapped me on the shoulder: "excuse me, are you Richard James??" "errrr....no" (me) thats the third time thats happened! :) heh excuse my poor posting....its 4:00am :) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 06:34:44 1993 From: BLD93003%UCONNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 09:28:06 EST Subject: ??? Status: Hi there!!! I am fairly new to the list, but this little debate about ravers vs. non-ravers is a little frustrating. I am, by no stretch of the imagination a "raver." I go from time to time to hear new/different music, to see new or different people, and just to see what is going on out there. I don't pretend to be into the scene. I haven't run out and bought baggy pants or anything else specifically to go to raves. My belief is that the rave is to be a focal point of many diverse people being themselves and enjoying themselves. If I can't wear what I want to wear to seem to "fit in" then I don't want to be ther there. No one has ever given me a second look at a rave, and I respect them for that. Yes, I started as one of those curious people (because my friend was really into the scene), but I have still been true to who I am, have not been criticized for it, and have not criticized others. Well, I hope that I haven't offended anyone, but I just wanted to let you know how a "non-raver" like me felt about the whole issue. :-) Brian. From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 09:18:30 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 01 Nov 1993 12:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: white man's disease Status: Ed, I wasn't suggesting that we stop talking about the issue because of a fear of emphasizing and discussing our differences. I was just commenting on the ease with which people's remarks are misunderstood - especially through this medium. I mean, Kreig's little remark is now being interpreted as being racist - pretty severe misunderstanding, eh? For example, in your last message you said: >Reducing ourselves to the least common denominator isn't called unity, it's called facism. You just implied that my suggesting that we not talk about this is a facist suggestion, and that I said that in order to 'sweep our differences under the rug'. That's not what I mean at all - and I could have misunderstood your comment and replied with insults. After reading my message, you may have replied with a hostile message, and then where would we be? Not on good terms at all - just because of a misinterpretation of each other. Maybe I should append to my comment and say that this medium (typed text) really sucks for communciating our feelings on sensitive issues. This is exactly why Usenet is riddled with flame wars and nonsensical bullshit arguments over nothing. I understand you - I just wanted to explain myself so you don't think I'm being one of those 'happy-at-all-costs', completely unitarian types. Peace, Darshan From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 09:28:52 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 12:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: hearing damage.. Status: Ok, after a night with afx, this becomes a serious question. Just what are the realities of hearing damage? Right now, I have that constant buzzing tone in my ears that I usually come away with after seeing a concert or PA of any kind, and I *know* thats not good. I usually am okay after a rave unless the sound is especially loud but PA's such as last night and the Orb last weekend both left me buzzing. I tried wearing earplugs once but it just muffled the sound to the point that I just took the out again. Is there something I can do to protect myself without losing all those high-end tweeks and dampening everything? just how serious is this problem amongst us? just wondering... Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :I _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 09:33:10 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 12:20:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: RAVERS<"NONRAVERS",and COMMUNITY Status: On Sat, 30 Oct 1993, Matthew Hupert wrote: > > > Excuse me while I vent- > I am so sick of phrases like "o there were too many mnon-ravers there- > I thought the whole idea of this thing was the creation of new communities, an extension of the > mind expansion, dance and trance that has been on the planet for 1000,000 > years, post local tribalism, NOT some elitist [piece of crap defined > by what you wear, what you eat, who you fuck, if you worship, what if any politics you have, or your opinion on transcedental yodel eating aliens in the himalaya > This community was not born in detroit, or in l0ondon, but on a savannah in the depths of history- and its is reforming as our ideas of non locality and virtuality reshape what a community is- > If a brother or sister is next to you at a rave then s/he is a raver, and welcome to dance with me > peace > > > -- > cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind > planet spins..... and your ass > ....so do I will follow > booom mahadev Apparently ravers DO NOT bring knives/beer/attitude with them when attending raves. People who attend clubs where alcohol is sold think it is okay to bring beer to a rave. I personally never saw a raver drink beer for example during a rave. But whenever "non-ravers" attend the place is full of bottles, cans from beer... there is some attitude at raves [in Philly for example! hehe], but there is that feeling of unity at raves that does not exist in clubs... anyhow E3 was FULL of non-ravers, kids who came from clubs that already closed bringing their beer and shit with them, and full of people who were passing by and watched us like we're some kind of a freak show... Jake From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 09:34:00 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 12:25:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Harder!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Status: On Sat, 30 Oct 1993 vkuperma@mason1.gmu.edu wrote: > Harder Faster Harder Faster Harder Faster Harder Faster Harder Faster Harder!!! > H a r d c o r e A s y l u m ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > Fuckin Hostiiiiiille!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Need we Say more??? > - The Demented DJ Speed Demon - > - Master of Nightmarez - 100% behind ya! HARDCORE all the way! From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 09:46:16 1993 From: "John Speakman" Date: 1 Nov 93 12:43:00 EST Subject: Re: ravers, etc. Status: >From: cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu (Matthew Hupert) >I thought the whole idea of this thing was the creation of new communities, an extension of the >mind expansion, dance and trance that has been on the planet for 1000,000 >years, post local tribalism, NOT some elitist [piece of crap defined >by what you wear, what you eat, who you fuck, whom. :) Got to maskarave2 late on Sat so missed the meet, interviewed Orbital who were really nice, didn't interview Richard James as he was soundchecking late, but anyway I thought the whole do was all pretty bloody great and a nice vibe for such a big place and we had a really nice time. Hope y'all did too. John. From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 10:04:32 1993 From: mhv@eagle.hr.att.com (Marshal Villarosa) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 12:59:31 EST Subject: Timewarp Friday Status: CYBERTRIBE: Well, I hope you all had fun this past halloween weekend. Were there any survivors from Casper? Still no reviews? Maskerave2 wuz kewl. Orbital kicked ass. The lights and sound were much better than Essence 3 with a lighting rig suspended above the middle of the dance floor. Moby was great as well and did this hardcore (as in like punk) song that was PHAT! So, issue at hand: Who's going out to Timewarp on Friday? NE-Raves has some members with strong backgrounds from the Freight Yard and this is their first all-night event since it's start 13 months ago. I am going to spin from 6-7am Laura is going to spin, GeoffE is going to spin. On-E, Guy DMC, Trace, and Josh Wink will also all be there. You should be too! AND if that wasn't enough!!! I will be debuting my winter clothing line of "FLY GEAR Direct From MARS." BRING SOME CASH IF YOU WANT SOME DOPE THREADS!!! Production is in full effect, yo, and lemme tell you how fuckin' excited about da ruff stuff you gonna be able to git yo' hands on!!! You will be the Phatest Kat in yo' hood wit' dis stuff. NE-RAVES possee, I hope to see you all in Full Effect in Allentown on Friday night! E-mail me at: a176@lehigh.edu if your're going... Currently: ************************************************************************** Name Place of Departure ************************************************************************** Mars Jersey Shore Jenn Smeddy Kutztown U. Laura (straight outta) Hoboken WillE (back from the UK) You where you're from Peace kids, Mars From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 10:06:09 1993 From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 13:05:53 EST Subject: Re: hearing damage.. Status: Funny you should mention this. I usually don't feel any lingering affects of sticking my head in the speakers for 6-8 hours a weekend, but after Maskarave this weekend, I must say that I feel unusually different today (2 days after the rave). There's a very noticable difference in my hearing that I never got from going to ANY other party. It's hard to explain, but I almost feel like I have earplugs in. It's sort of difficult to hear...but... not really. Everything is sort of just... well... muffled a little bit. And, get this, I ALWAYS wear earplugs, including this weekend and my hearing still seems to be a little shot. I hope this goes away soon. :0 dave. From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 10:34:24 1993 From: Phil Z Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 13:30:35 EST Subject: Re: hearing damage.. Status: > > Ok, after a night with afx, this becomes a serious question. Just what > are the realities of hearing damage? Right now, I have that constant > buzzing tone in my ears that I usually come away with after seeing a > concert or PA of any kind, and I *know* thats not good. I usually am okay > after a rave unless the sound is especially loud but PA's such as last > night and the Orb last weekend both left me buzzing. I tried wearing > earplugs once but it just muffled the sound to the point that I just took > the out again. Is there something I can do to protect myself without > losing all those high-end tweeks and dampening everything? just how > serious is this problem amongst us? > just wondering... There are acoustic earplugs that work much more nicely than those little shove-in-the ear sytrofoam-like deals that you can find around. They're made of rubber with a sort of aluminum diaphragm on the outside, and a conical design that fits snugly in the ears. I got my pair at Manny's Music in the city; I think they ran around $10 bucks, though it was awhile ago. Generally I don't like using any earplugs, but if the volumes simply too high, these are the best I've found. Phil Z From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 10:35:44 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 13:35:35 -0500 Subject: Casper Status: Hey Folks Well, it was cold and it was wet but by the time you got inside and danced, it was fun. Why did they hold an "outdoor funpark" type ride at the end of October when there was a 90% chance that the weather would be shit? Oh well, at least it had ( sort of ) cleared up by midnight when we met at the rollercoaster. Cold as hell but... :) Overall, I'd say it would have to go down in history as the first rave I've spent more time lying around in the chill out area chatting & such than actually moving my butt on the dance floor... Great to see everyone who made it and to ( once again ) finally put faces to names. I'll be at Grin II on the 13th and I promise that, one way or another, I'll have more energy - I have to, it's my last rave here for a few months ( so I gotta party :) and I've gotta be grinnin' at Grin - heh Take care and see ya at Grin, etc... Grant P.S. What's a GUI without a Mouse? Pretty damn wierd - I left my trackball at home when I bought my laptop in this morning - wakey wakey Spliff! :) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 10:45:42 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 13:42:38 EST Subject: Re: hearing damage.. Status: > Ok, after a night with afx, this becomes a serious question. Just what > are the realities of hearing damage? Right now, I have that constant > buzzing tone in my ears that I usually come away with after seeing a > concert or PA of any kind, and I *know* thats not good. I usually am okay > after a rave unless the sound is especially loud but PA's such as last > night and the Orb last weekend both left me buzzing. I tried wearing > earplugs once but it just muffled the sound to the point that I just took > the out again. Is there something I can do to protect myself without > losing all those high-end tweeks and dampening everything? just how > serious is this problem amongst us? > just wondering... > Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :I I ALWAYS wear earplugs. As a kid I had lots of ear infections, so my hearing has always been a little damaged (not that I ever noticed, but it does give you a great excuse when parents are shouting at you!). I think my hearing in the last coupld years HAS gotten worse...natural or as a result of listening to loud music, who knows. I would recommend to everyone to always wear earplugs. I don't know if DJs wear them, but if they didn't, I would think they will be having problems soon enough. Usually I just get a napkin and tear off pieces and smush them up until I get one that is just right to put into my ears. It's weird that you brought this up, cause 15 minutes ago I bought my first set of real airplugs in anticipation of tomorrow night's show. -John From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 10:54:28 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 13:54:23 EST Subject: hearing damage.. (fwd) Status: > > > Ok, after a night with afx, this becomes a serious question. Just what > are the realities of hearing damage? Right now, I have that constant > buzzing tone in my ears that I usually come away with after seeing a > concert or PA of any kind, and I *know* thats not good. I usually am okay > after a rave unless the sound is especially loud but PA's such as last > night and the Orb last weekend both left me buzzing. I tried wearing > earplugs once but it just muffled the sound to the point that I just took > the out again. Is there something I can do to protect myself without > losing all those high-end tweeks and dampening everything? just how > serious is this problem amongst us? > just wondering... > Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :I YOU'LL HAVE YOU SPEAK UP, SONNY - I CAN'T HEAR YOU! :) DID TOO MUCH RAVING IN MY MISPENT YOUTH, YOU KNOW :) O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 10:56:49 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 13:56:38 -0500 Subject: Casper Status: Hey Folks Well, it was cold and it was wet but by the time you got inside and danced, it was fun. Why did they hold an "outdoor funpark" type ride at the end of October when there was a 90% chance that the weather would be shit? Oh well, at least it had ( sort of ) cleared up by midnight when we met at the rollercoaster. Cold as hell but... :) Overall, I'd say it would have to go down in history as the first rave I've spent more time lying around in the chill out area chatting & such than actually moving my butt on the dance floor... Great to see everyone who made it and to ( once again ) finally put faces to names. I'll be at Grin II on the 13th and I promise that, one way or another, I'll have more energy - I have to, it's my last rave here for a few months ( so I gotta party :) and I've gotta be grinnin' at Grin - heh Take care and see ya at Grin, etc... Grant P.S. What's a GUI without a Mouse? Pretty damn wierd - I left my trackball at home when I bought my laptop in this morning - wakey wakey Spliff! :) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 10:57:30 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 13:57:03 -0500 Subject: OK, So I need my photos... Status: Hi, I had some photos that I was showing around at the pre-ORB dinner in Manhattan a couple of weeks ago - I don't have them now and I *really* need them back to take to Oz when I go back in a couple of weeks. They were in a blue slip-case box and included the negatives. Anyone out there know who has them??? Grant From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 11:01:14 1993 From: FRC93FAH11@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1993 13:59:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: ne-raves-request Status: Hello and I would like to say I am happy to be here. Well I am new to this system and intel but am not all that new to raving. I just attended Casper and would like to say it was great even for all the confussion at the end I felt it was a great time. I'm looking forward to Grin Again. I hope to see you there. Also thankyou to shannon from Boston. oh I am and live in Framingham Mass. but Boston is the place to be. so rave on and please keep in touch. Frank-e From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 11:12:18 1993 From: FRC93FAH11@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1993 14:11:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: ne-raves-request@ Status: Sorry if my message (from Frank-e) is strange. Well if anyone would like to write to me here it is FRC93FAH11@ecn.mass.edu I think this is how it is done. thanks and rave on. From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 11:29:06 1993 From: laura@soda.berkeley.edu (Laura La Gassa) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 11:28:44 -0800 Subject: comparing CASPER "stories" Status: I was at the East Coast Casper this weekend, and would like to compare "stories" with any of you who went to the West Coast Casper. (1) Video Link -- we were told in Rhode Island that the reason there was no video link was because the SF Casper crew didn't want to pay for their side of the link. What story were you all given out in SF? (2) Dutch -- I was looking forward to seeing him in Rhode Island, but I was told he pulled out two weeks before the event. It's actually a very good thing he didn't come, for reasons that will be revealed below. It was a dark and stormy night when the Trance Shuttle (piloted by Captain Mellow, with First Officer Finks navigating, Spaceman Spliff providing trance ambiance, and Cadet Trillian just being enthusiastic) arrived at Rocky Point Amusement Park near Warwick, RI, the site of the East Coast Casper. It was SOOOOO wet, simply pouring rain. After wandering the park aimlessly getting soaked we found "The Mausoleum," one of two major indoor dance areas. Wonder of wonders, there was NO music coming out of it. It seems that there was some sort of lawyers banquet in the banquet hall next door, and they couldn't hear the keynote speaker over dieselBoy's breaks. So we checked out the other dance floor and heard Guy DMC and Tiga spin and chilled with Jake (Melon Dezign) a bit. The visuals were so cool again, Jake, and thanks for saying "hi" to us on the big screen. At midnight all the net ravers met at the rollercoaster. It had stopped raining so some of us took a ride, and then we returned to the first dance floor where the music had taken off again. The rest of the night was pretty much like any other rave -- lots of music, gorgeous lights, cool lasers, friendly people. Personally, I was not too thrilled with the music except for Scott Henry's otherworldly trance set. Someone put down a really cheezoid wailing diva house set, and then there was a spate of 70's disco, so that sort of put me out of the mood for dancing. Overall, though, a huge number of people were dancing their butts off, so I'd say that the party was a decent one. And now for the aftermath: around 6.00 am or so the promoter came on the sound system and told us they had lost like 25K and so were collecting donations so they could pay the DJs. I later heard from Jake (who will hopefully share his story with us) that one of the investors, Greg, took his money and left without making sure there was funding to pay the DJs and lights/effects people. There was a mob scene at the end, and I hear a number of people didn't get paid. It seems to me there was quite a bit of poor planning here. If they had merely rented the dance halls and not the whole park, and had charged $15 rather than $22/$25, I think things would have worked out a lot better. There wre a LOT of people there, but by renting the whole park during this traditionally gross (weather-wise) time of year, they were being a bit over-enthusiastic and naieve. Oh well. It was a nice party -- mainly because there were SO many ne-ravers and other ravers there. The people who came were having a great time. See some of you at Colourbox on Wednesday, and at Timewarp on Friday! Love and Community, Laura From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 11:42:45 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 14:19:04 -0400 Subject: Where are all the Casper reviews? Status: Hey... With umpteen # of net-ravers that had said they were going to Casper, I would have thought there would some reviews posted. How did the pre-Casper gatherings at Mark's and Jetta's places go? And what about the linkup with San Francisco? C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 11:51:18 1993 From: Oz Lubling Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:53:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: CASPER The Rainy Ghost! Status: hello everyone! well, casper was definitely the biggest rave I've been to since YELLOW. It was extremely cold and rainy, which is actually the way new england is more than 50% of the time. But I had a great time. Me, Vanessa, Amy and donato arrived at around 9 pm after driving through a little rainy storm front. When we got there, we could see some of the rides working. We went into the main room, whatever the hell it was called, and dieselboy was spinning. He was really really good. I was totatly impressed. The dancefloor was starting to get filled and we were all jamming pretty hard. Then suddenly, some security person approached damian and told him to turn the music down. This went back and forth and finally, damian had to turn the music OFF. Apparently there was a banquet going on next door with a bunch of old people. Can you fucking believe this? I feel bad for damian because he always gets fucked like that. Well, anywayzz, damian you still played an awesome set. The Other room, the crypt, was also pretty big and had many intellabeams, etc, etc. Jake was doing his crazy wall projections on one of the walls. At one point he put NE-RAVES up there and that was kind of cool. We ended up back at the other room when Scott Henry was spinning and he definitely played the set of the night. This boy slammed. Everyone got really into his set and the dancefloor was absolutely packed. Other good sets I heard were James Christian, 333, and overload. Usually the biggest part of a rave, in my opinion, is the music. But in this case, the biggest and most fun part of casper was everyone who came to it. I don't know if you care or not, but I'll attempt o list all of them just to give you a feel of how many net ravers were there. ok here we go: doug shelly oz vanessa kristopher amy dubin tina taylor laura chris mellow jeannie grant mark hossam inhuman damian debba becca john crowley donato fran lunatik dan boris hank melzie gil hector bruce (mit) angie (bu) steve (fluffhead) china and more (I hope I didn't forget anyone important :) well, I had a good time. It was great meeting all of you. I still can't believe we rode that rollercoaster in the rain. it was so fucking cool. I think I'll be taking in easy for a while now. My next event I think will be Essence 4. I think it will be really good, considering that laurent garnier, richie hawtin and kimball collins will be there. Dave Kelly told me that himball collins is the most amazing trance and hard trance dj he's heard yet. one notch below sven vath. Believe it or not, this guy hails from orlando. Dave told me that they have a really good scene down there. I was definitely suprised by that. Collins is the guy that got cosmic baby to perform in orlando, among other things. oz From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 12:10:46 1993 From: "David A. Wolfe" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:08:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: maskarave - lights Status: I would love to get feedback on the lights in the main room @maskarave. From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 12:14:52 1993 From: "David A. Wolfe" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:10:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: no badges <-> no id Status: I was at the top of the escallators @ 1am, but not knowing what the "tribe" looks like I had no way of IDing you'all. oh well maybe next time. From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 12:16:24 1993 From: ebh@usl.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 15:16:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: hearing damage.. Status: > I would recommend to everyone to always wear earplugs. I don't know if > DJs wear them, but if they didn't, I would think they will be having > problems soon enough. I recommend them also. As for DJing, I don't generally wear them during my set, because I need to be able to hear everything. An hour of it my ears can take, but a whole night of it they can't, so I wear earplugs the rest of the night if the sound is nontrivially loud. -Ed From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 12:23:10 1993 From: "Bob Baxter" Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 15:09:45 -0400 Subject: Re: hearing damage.. Status: >DATE: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 12:23:40 -0400 (EDT) >FROM: Alan Michael Parry > > Ok, after a night with afx, this becomes a serious question. Just what >are the realities of hearing damage? Right now, I have that constant >buzzing tone in my ears that I usually come away with after seeing a >concert or PA of any kind, and I *know* thats not good. I usually am okay >after a rave unless the sound is especially loud but PA's such as last >night and the Orb last weekend both left me buzzing. I tried wearing >earplugs once but it just muffled the sound to the point that I just took >the out again. Is there something I can do to protect myself without >losing all those high-end tweeks and dampening everything? just how >serious is this problem amongst us? >just wondering... >Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :I > > _______ > (__,-, \ > / /\ \ f l u i d > /,_) \ \ > (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu > \) flu'id (floo'-) > I think there is a real potential for damage on the eardrums. Although the sound may be muffled, if your really close, wear the plugs. Before Cybertek, I didn't wear earplugs, and was left with the ringing/buzzing that you described. Now I wear them, andf I don't feel so drained after an event. C-ya... From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 13:15:03 1993 From: TINA LOVES TAYLOR Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 16:10 EST Subject: casper... Status: Now why would anyone wish to hold a semioutdoor rave at the end of October? Taylor and I were speculating that Casper would have been even better if it had been held earlier... possibly around midSeptember (that's probably right after the park's normal operating times are over) when it's still pretty nice out temperaturewise. I drove up from Virginia around 3 p.m. Saturday after a make up class that started at ten a.m. and was still going on when I left to go to Brooklyn. Got to Brooklyn around 8 p.m. (driving under the weather conditions of Saturdaywas so hellish!) Anyhow... Taylor and I didn't leave Brooklyn til around 10 a.m. and didn't get to Casper until about 2 a.m. so we missed the Big Neraves gathering... luckily the rain had subsided by that time and was only dashing us with a sprinkle here and there... we walked around trying to find everyone... we even stumbled across the neraves spot without them or us realizing it! Finally we found Deiselboy, John Crowley, and Oz who led us back to where the rest of the crew were :) it was great to see my friends again (especially Jetta- GREAT BIG HUGS, GIRLFRIEND! I LOVE YOU!) and to finally meet a few more I've been talking to on vrave (like Amy!) A few of us went out onto the dancefloor and grooved a bit while watching Taylor's laser through the smoke- it was so amazing to see this little laser's beam stretch out across the room.... after awhile, the smoke proved too annoying (we were right n front of the machine) so we left in search of Smart drinks... anyone know where the smart drinks were? We couldn't find any.. by this time I was so incredibly tired as were many of the neravers, and the music wasn't pulling me towards the floor again, so I chilled for a bit and slept for about an hour. The music turned pretty groovey at one point (gotta love those hip hop beats!) and I wanted to get out and let the beats take over, but sleep held me down and when I was refreshed, the groovey beats were gone and less interesting music was being spun. The neravers were beginning to leave at this point, and because I had to be back in Virginia sometime Sunday night, we left soon after. Casper was an incredible rave, and had it been held a month earlier it probably would have been even better- I would have liked it better if the different dancefloors were in the same building rather than a short hike from each other... too cold to go from one to the other... and it seemed like a lot of other people felt the same way, for there were more people in the building closest to the entrance than in the building tucked away towards the back. Many people missed out on the beautiful trance because of this split. And had the weather been better, we could have emerged from our dark cocoon and been bathed in beautiful mornng sun rather than the dreary cold misty air. Oh well- at least it woke me up a bit :) For me, Casper was definitely one of the better raves I have been to in a loooooong time... beautiful happy smiley people and lots of good cheer :) Hugs and Pokes to Vanessa, Laura, Oz, Becca, John Crowley, Amy, Grant, Doug , Chris, Jeanne, Damian, John Adams, Donato, Gil, Melzie (your dress was BEAUTIFUL), Shannon, Camper, Steve, Dan, Mike, XtoFer, and the others I didn't mention by name, and an extra big huge mushy happy lingering hug to my darling Taylor (ILYMTAITW). Please excuse my prose.. I'm in the process of nursing the beginings of either a cold or the flu... should have gotten the flu shot before going to Casper.. {{(( sunflower ))}} From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 13:37:11 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 16:37:05 EST Subject: RAVE MAP Status: Fish and I were throwing around the idea of creating a sort of virtual rave map type thing. It would sort of be like this: There would be an overall map of the world (or just US for now) where you could zoom in on portions, say ne (for ne-raves) or california or the midwest...from these smaller maps you could zoom on to various locations where raves were held. For example, where casper was or maskarave ii. At each site you could see scanned pictures of the site and those people that were there. Possible sounds could be attached... Places like NYC would be more "zoomable" as there's more stuff going on around that area than Boston and RI combined! So, what we would like would be for people to either scan pictures in and then tell me where they are (and there are already some around) or send them to me so i can scan them in (you'll get them back)... We were thinking of doing it with hypercard or director or something mac-oriented...but now i'm thinking a great way to do it would be with the WWW (world wide web)...it's the perfect thing--and it's easily expandible and very flexible so later on we could do things like hook up the techno.stanford.edu ftp siteto an actual map location in california! Anyone from a mac to a pc to workstation could use it and it's the hip new cool thing to use anyways... Well, let me know what you think. -John (I'm not sure, but I don't think it's a very difficult thing to do either... but we'll see :) ) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 13:49:11 1993 From: mhv@eagle.hr.att.com (Marshal Villarosa) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 16:44:00 EST Subject: Maskarave2 Status: Cybertribe: Another a little message on Maskarave2. Jenn and I waited at the top of the escalators from 1-1:15 and no one met us. I had my NE-raves badge on and Jenn looked as she described herself before. Woof, you must not of been looking like you were waiting for anyone, cause I walked around within 3feet of anyone in the vicinity. Well, how does this sound: Jenn said we should have been holding a sign that said "NE-Raves," then I suggested we put such a sign on the wall at future events and then it could be like a NE-Raver hangout spot and bag drop spot. This place turned out to be David.Darrow's t-shirt stand this time. At Timewarp, it can be my "Direct from MARS" stand. How does that sound? Peace everyone, Mars (a leo) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 13:49:37 1993 From: omtrhi!stasik@zk3.dec.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 14:49:59 EDT Subject: Orbital at The Paradise (tue 11-2-93) Status: Hi All! Just wanted to drop a quick line to possibly get a head count of who is going to be at the Orbital/Aphex Twin/... Show tomorrow night at The Paradise in Boston. Possibly we can meet up and say hello before hand. Mail me up at my 'real' account and let me know who's going, and I will post! Stasiks@woods.uml.edu Fluid: Thanks for the warning on the Orbital show, I will bring those cheap earplugs that block everything out, and play it by ear (hah hah ) . drift on!!! - Stefan Stefan Stasik Omtool, LTD Salem, NH USA omtrhi!stasik%zk3.dec.com *- I-93 is its name, 120 kpH is the game! -* IRC: DJay Brighton Ave, Boston MA USA 02134 1982 Suzuki 450L From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 13:57:27 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 16:55:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: maskarave - lights Status: On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, David A. Wolfe wrote: > > I would love to get feedback on the lights in the > main room @maskarave. > > > unreal!!!!!!!!!! scotto is GOD! jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 14:07:13 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 17:09:40 EDT Subject: Casper Status: Hey all, Casper and everything else involved with this weekend was a really fun time. From driving in the rain...into the snow...and dancing the whole night away with thousands of smiling faces, it was really cool. I got a ride up from fellow schoolmate, and dcraver (and soon to be neraver) Shelly. We left D.C. around 2pm and hoped to make it to Casper at least before midnight to meet up with all the other net-ravers at the Loop-De-Loop. The conditions driving up were the worst i've ever encountered for such a drive (up to that point). It was raining the whole way up and all but the various mix tapes and talking made it fun. We drove through PA through NY into CT and stopped by my house and picked up my Addidas jacket and then realizing we were behind schedule rushed to Casper to make it there about a quarter past midnight. Finally we made it to Warwick and the excitement was building. There was one rather scarry part when About a mile from Casper there was this accident with a car totally smashed and what looked like a raver in the driver's seat, with a neckbrace. :( Soon in the night-sky there were spot-lights that lead the way, and were especially cool sight after watching 'Nightmare Before Christmas' the night before :) Finally the trip ended and we had made it to Rocky Point park. Running through the cool blustery Fall New England winds i was more then ready to meet up with some netravers and dance the night away. When we got to the Loop-De-Loop noone was there, and we thought we had missed everyone. I thought i would meet up with sista-Polida there, but she wasnt there. But we waited a few minutes, and off the Loop-De-Loop came Oz, Vanessa, and Amy. Then a few minutes later by Dan (who carried me away:) and laura and im sure other people who i can't remember at the moment :) But we all went to check out the first room, the Palladium. At first i thought the lighting and the sound was too minimalistic in the room, but later on in the night i thought it looked really damn cool, and really liked it in there. The other building was also cool, and whoever was there when went to check it out was spinning some Breakbeat which was really good to hear. And i got into a little groove. The visuals were really funky, esp. on one screen with the Casper and then it went to these psychadellic parts if this guy dancing, tracks everywhere. After that Shelly and i decided to check out the rest of the amusement park. The Free-Fall looked really fun (did anyone go on it?) and the Loop-De-Loop was really neat. We ran into some people from Connecticut and it was good to see there are other people who are from the state that go raving (sometimes it can feel really lonely there, ya know?) But eventually headed back to the Palladium (We're in NYC now? Where is Julie Brown?) And while walking in i bumped directly into Polida!! Then we also met up with the other net ravers who i hadn't seen in a while. Jeannie, Michael (ok two weeks), Grant, Cmellow, Fran, Hwyman, Xtopher, DieselBoy, Taylor, Tina.... By this time i was ready to dance so i was off to the floor. Basically i danced for maybe five hours straight! Whoever the DJ's were really kicked with me. The crowd was really cool, everyone friendly, a lot of smiling people, and a whole lot of people just there grooving to the music. It was in other words a really good vibe!! I really got into a little vibe myself and had a lot of fun just dancing and dancing. From the earlier breaks it seemed to settle into a lot of prog. housey, tracks, with a lot of mixxing between different generes. There was some old disco tunes here and there, and some hip hop but it all really seemed to work together well. There was one really cool part of the night when in front on one speaker there was this song i really dug and was into it. Another cat also was and he was going wild, and this other guy was also, as was another cat, so The whole corner of the floor turned into these people really going all out dancing and dancing, which was cool cause the floor really opened up there. It never also turned into one of those circles when one person dances and everyone else watches, but everyone danced! :) Inbetween dancing and taking a little break the people there were really friendly. This one guy was writing a letter to an old girlfriend and we began a really profound discussion about feelings, relationships and love. If while dancing i bumped into anyone we'd either say a mutual sorry to each other or give some big-ole hugs. Other people just came up and started talking. It was really cool. Eventually my body just about up'ed and got exhausted and i went back to where a lot of netravers were chilling out and promptly fell asleep, to wake up at the end when the music had ended. Shelly and i made it over to the other building to the afterhours and OnE was spinning some Hip Hop, but i really was rather finished and saying a good-bye to Christopher headed back to CT to catch a few Z's. After getting half-way awake started the ride home, and it was cool, but eventually so after crossing the PA border. It started to Sleet, so stopped at a resturant, and after checking Lottery numbers we got out and it was Snowing!! Happy Halloween! It was so great. It slowed things down but it didn't really matter casue it was really cool to see snow!! But eventually made it back to D.C. around 4 in the morning. So All in All the Casper weekend was really fun!! It was great to see all the net-ravers again and to experience a friendly and warm vibe, which i was skeptical was possible at a rave about 4000 people big. Keep warm Michael, It was good to finally get a chance to REALLY meet DieselBoy who i had been disrespecting for a long time :) to see the sista again. Sorry didn't get more of a chance to talk to you jeannie. And i never did meet up and meet Hossam or Borris. :I Im sorry to hear about the promoters falling in such a big hole. For such a big production it really seemed like there heart was in the right place. peace, doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu remember, love follows the rave From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 14:12:05 1993 From: Thomas C Noe Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 17:11:27 EST Subject: Rave movie Status: Maybe the rave movie will be a doors type of thing, half dream, half stuppor. DJ TOM From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 14:21:32 1993 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 14:22:08 PST Subject: Re: RAVE MAP Status: I've been thinking about that for awhile (and yes,it totally lends itself to WWW/Mosaic,etc. What does it take to start writing stuff for it to make it a reality? I hear the BBEDit text processor has HTML extentions for the MAC.(BBEdit is shareware) And I _think_ Mosaic,etc. has a special MAP function-although Ive never seen it. Experts? -Chris. From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 14:22:28 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 17:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Scott Henry & Info Status: Glad you all enjoyed Scott Henry, just curious though - had you ever seen him before? 'cos he consistently turns out great sets and in the 10+ times I've seen him, he's never been bad. Heres another oppurtunity: Wednesday November 17th: The Return of CLOUD 9 DJ Wink & Sorted Records (NYC) present the return of CLOUD 9 at Xero: 613 S 4th St. Philadelphia PA. Come groove to DJS: Scott Henry (DC) King Britt (PA) Josh Wink (PA) Oddessy (PA) All Ages : All Night. Doors at 10pm. $6. INFO 215.629.0565 A "lets rebuild the scene" production _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 14:37:37 1993 From: binky Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 17:37:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: caspertime Status: hey. i got on here about 1 month ago, got the flyer for casper and decided to take a trip(no pun intended) to good ol rhode island. and what a site to see. first i went to boston and took a rave bus to rocky point. i was supposed to meet some friends there and by the time i got off the bus, i was tripping out of my mind. then came the loop de loop. ummm, i don't know quite how to put this. wow. that's the closest i have come to losing control of some important bodily functions. INCREDIBLE. after finding my friends, we decided to go dance. again, wow. the music was GREAT, in the beginning at least. i really couldn't tell who was up there, but they were great. the lights were just incredible. this is all at the palladium. at one point, a green/red spotlight type thing shone down in one place. i just walked under it and just stared at it. oooh. i was kinda anxious to see ebn. that was to be one of the highlights of casper for me. i think i stood next to one of the guys from ebn, but im not sure if the little computer generated movies in the back was their stuff. anyway, remember when i said that the loopdeloop was the closest i ever came to losing control of my bodily functions - i lied. freefall. wee. after it was over and the guy was letting us out, some hispanic ride worker started singing "and im freeeee, freefallin. " what a way to wrap that ride up. we could not for the life of us find that goddamn sanctuary. the supposed chillout room. we really needed that. after leaving the two other techno houses, i felt as if my chest cavity should still somehow be resonating with the beat of some delicious techno. we left kinda early, appp. 6 or 7, so didn't see the ending everyone's talking about. experience of a lifetime no doubt. did i forget to mention that this was my first real rave. what a way to start eh? From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 14:48:21 1993 From: "David L. Bayer" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:38:27 Subject: SF Casper Status: While I did not get over to Casper (namely because the direction pointed to a space which had radiated evilness the two other times I had been there) I did hear a few people talking about it in line for another party. What I shall tell you then is what I heard. The first thing they had said was the party had flopped. It was held in a new space which was far too big to keep any party together. There where something like 5 sound systems spread over nine areas according to the three women. They got in line behind us at around midnight and they said there was no one over at Casper which is not really a surprise considering how big the place was. It could have held a thousand people and still seemed empty. Anyway, that is a little insight to the West counterpart to the Casper you may have attended.... dave From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 15:18:11 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 18:18:06 -0500 Subject: Re: casper... Status: > Many people missed out on the beautiful trance because of this split. As one of the many people who missed out on the beautiful trance in the Crypt, what more can I say than "wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"... Mind you, I was too maggotted to move from where I was so hell, I probably would have missed it anyway :) Damn but I'm glad that I'm leaving this cold weather for the sun and heat of Oz - pitty I won't get to see snow until I come back in February tho... Da Spaceman From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 15:33:52 1993 From: "David L. Bayer" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:58:47 Subject: The absence of attitude Status: While I must admit I have not been out raving back East, this discussion of the attitude and the confrontation between the ravers and the "non-ravers" has been a central theme to the breakdown of raves out here in SF area. And while I am trying to get a sense of what the East version of raving is like through the net (as different areas produce different crowds. This difference between here and LA is immense), it seems that what we have seen out here could be happening out East. So enough babble. There has been a distinction drawn between ravers and nonravers and it is a necessary one in my opinion. Necessary in the sense that if you do not make it, and fall into what I would call the raver catergory, it provides the necessary crutch to keep you from retreating from the raves as so many have done here in the West. The distinction is not drawn on what you wear, how you look, the drugs you may or may not do, or your sexual orienation, but instead on the attitude you bring into the party. Those that I consider ravers come in all forms doing many things I would necer think of doing, but they all leave their hierarchical superiority at the door. The nonraver or junk as they are ever so affectionately called, enters the party with this superiority complex intact. They tend to look at raving as an image instead of something they do. Anyone who seems to show them up (or be "disrespectful") are dealt with through violent means. Some of the guys that fall into this catergory look at the parties as yet another place to find the women to molest tonite. It really destorys a party when half of the people there are rightfully retreating into themselves and their friends for protection from an evil which should not be present in the first place. Thus, I have drawn my distinction. It divides people into those that want raving to stay around and those that don't care. The more important problm is how one acts on the distinctions s/he has made, and I shall quickly relate these to you now. I do tend to avoid the junk, just because I am not looking for a fight and I do not like getting shoved if I happen to dance through their "spot". But everyone still gets the same friendly smile and greeting whether they be growling at me or smiling back. I just try not to let the growls get to me. dave From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 15:35:09 1993 From: ANALOGUE BUBBLEBATH Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1993 18:31:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: maskarave... lights and all... Status: to be concise, because it is in my nature: maskarave was fucking awesome. 5,000 people. i liked mr. kleen the best, good music, good mixing. lighting setup was phenomenal (spelling?) although i thought there was a little too much light most of the time. intellibeams are too cool. if anybody wants to give me one, feel free :) vapourspace: he was alright, didn't like his music too much. aphex twin: performance sucked... couldn't see richard james at all. his music, though interesting, was a little to ominous/industrial for my tastes.... and you could not dance to it. oh, when i say performance, i am not talking about his music, just his performance. moby: the little guy is a madman on stage. by far the most dynamic performance- what a surprise! i am not a big moby fan, though something has to be said for hearing it LOUD. orbital: performance was interesting. they were doing live mixes of sequences.. out of all the music performed, i liked their music the most. played mostly new stuff and chime. and the whole time i was thinking about the unfortunate ne-ravers that went to what was probably a rained out casper! manish From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 15:39:09 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (nate goldbaum) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 18:38:59 -0500 Subject: Re: the first time.... Status: I was xcited about the rave scene after the first event I went to. It was Gatorave, two summers ago in Chicago. A friend of mine at my (former) school told me there would be a rave (which I had read about in [maybe] Spin, or something). I knew that raves had originated in Manchester, so I assumed that the music there would probably be something along the lines of the Happy Mondays or the Stone Roses (such naivete ;) , I don't think that I'd even _heard_ of techno :-). I called the line and was told where to get tix, went and got tix, etc. When I finally arrived, I parked my car and looked for the place about a block away I could hear the boomin' bass. My heart began to pound along with the beat. I was supposed to meet a couple of people there, but had gone alone. I presented my ticket at the door, was frisked, and went down some stairs to the basement where the party was being held. When I got inside, I asked someone official-looking (about as official-looking as anyone gets at an underground party) whether it was ok to ingest whatever (naivete, again :). He kind of looked at me funny and said "I can't answer that for you" which I took to be a yes. So I smoked some dope and then went into the main floor. I was amazed at what I saw. So many people just dancing and going crazy. I seriously didn't know what to do. I had always been one of those people too self-concious to dance, but something really special was going on, and I sensed it. So I wandered around and watched people a bit. I found the tank of nitrous in the corner and with it, someone selling acid. I bought a tab and did a balloon and chilled and had a good time. Still, I had this feeling that I didn't really know what to do. Everyone was going crazy around me: dancing, running around and generally whooping it up. I watched a few people dance and realized that there were plenty of people there who didn't dance too well and were doing it anyway. Suddenly, a thought formed in my head (as they are wont to do :) I realized that noone there _really_ knew what they were doing. There wasn't a _thing_ that you were _supposed_ to do at a rave (I'm sure you are impressed with my briliant obsevation ;). We were all just going crazy. So I decided to jump in and just do _nothing_ or _everything_ or whatever it was we were all doing. And it felt GREAT! I felt such a great vibe from everyone around me, noone pointed at me and laughed, noone gave me attitude, and everyone smiled and just had a great time. One of the best things about the rave was going alone. While I was there, I didn't have a name, or a past, or a rest-of-my-life. There was just me and a few hundred people I didn't know and who didn't know me. I completely lost my identity for an all-too-brief point in time. I left there at (unbelievably) daybreak and drove home, feeling like a completely new person. That night changed my life. Since then, I have been going to raves every chance I can get. I introduced my best friend, Adam, to them and now we go to them together. When I'm old and look back on my life, I'm sure that raves will be one of my best experiences (although, if anything better _could_ possibly come around, I will definitely be living a charmed life :D ) thanks for letting me share this experience with you peace nate -- nate goldbaum goldbn@rpi.edu =============================================================================== if mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-ee cummings who would be born must first destroy a world. --hermann hesse i don't want the world, i just want your half. --they might be giants ========================================================================= From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 15:43:53 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 18:31:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Casper Status: >into a little groove. The visuals were really funky, esp. on one >screen with the Casper and then it went to these psychadellic >parts if this guy dancing, tracks everywhere. After that Shelly that is Melon Dezign! we were the only ones with actual Casper sequences digitized from the movie cartoons...BLAH! melons all over! Jake MELON DEZIGN From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 15:44:41 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 18:31:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Casper Status: >into a little groove. The visuals were really funky, esp. on one >screen with the Casper and then it went to these psychadellic >parts if this guy dancing, tracks everywhere. After that Shelly that is Melon Dezign! we were the only ones with actual Casper sequences digitized from the movie cartoons...BLAH! melons all over! Jake MELON DEZIGN From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 16:11:57 1993 From: "DARSHAN M. JESRANI" Date: 01 Nov 1993 18:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: hearing damage.. Status: There are these Hi-Fi earplugs that are sold - usually in the back of musician's magazines that are supposed to be very effective in cutting down the volume of a signal, and not affecting the fidelity. They work by 'attenuating' - cutting down all frequencies evenly, rather than cutting just the highs, which results in the annoying muffled sound you get when you wear other types of earplugs. I've seen them priced anywhere from $15 to $70.. They're probably worth it, though. Darshan From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 16:35:29 1993 From: houghton@sas.upenn.edu (Stephen P. Houghton) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 19:37:30 EST Subject: Timewarp! Status: Hello, everyone, I hope to poke my head out of my school shell to go out this weekend to Timewarp. I hope to see many of you NE ravers there, for you are one of the big reasons that end up convincing me to go out. However, I think that I may not go lest I receive transportation from some one. Any person coming through or from Philly to go up to Allentown? Let me know!! houghton@mail.sas.upenn.edu Also, I did poke my head out for last night's show at the Trocadero: Moby et al. I have seen a god and his name is Rick James, well what little I could see of his head. I really enjoyed his set, much better than Orbital, who were great, much greater than Himself the Elf: Moby. It was great to see Fran, Scammy?, Fluid, Linda and Rob. Sorry I didn't meet you Fluffhead! One more plea!!!! Is any one going out this or next week? I want to go see Laura at Colourbox this wed and ed next week. be well. boyPrinceAlbert From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 16:55:21 1993 From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 19:55:11 EST Subject: casper Status: the rain bummed me out alot. the dampness really makes my body ache. happens whenever it rains. didn't get enough sleep on friday after a 40 hour work week, so on saturday i was exhausted. i saw a lot of my ne-raves friends at casper, but i'm really sorry i wasn't more social...i was miserable for a long period because i wanted to dance soooo much, but my clothes were soaked and my body just wouldn't let me move. i saw most of you in the crypt while i was wandering around, looking for the guy who had the car keys of the car where my change of clothes were... hugs and happiness to all of you whom i saw but was to frustrated to chill with you... later in the night i got my comfy dry clothes and did my best to dance my ass off to 333 and bob bentley in front of a good ol' fashioned stack of speakeres, but i was sooo tired... take care all- shannon From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 17:01:24 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 20:03:52 EDT Subject: N.Y. Times article on Maskarave2 Status: This is an article in today's Nov. 1st New York Time's article about Maskarave2. It concentrates mostly on the live acts, but it also shows this particular music reivewer's ignorance of the rave scene (so i c) he wrote an article about last years' moby-prodigy-cybersonik tour i think also... There is a picture with the article of Moby screaming into a microphone, facing a crowd of outstreached arms. SENSORY OVERLOADING ON THE DANCE FLOOR by Jon Pareles All over the world, cultures have created rituals of ecstatic communal dancing. England and the United States have one: the rave, a psychedelic dance party for the video-game generation [what generation label of the week will it be next?] Audiences wearing striped shirts, baggy jeans, stocking caps and backpacks arrive prepared to dance. The rave is a sojurn in an electronic wilderness of strobelights, video abstractions, rainbow striped spotlights and nonstop, computer-driven music with endless variations on a boom-chicka-boom beat. From Saturday night into Sunday morning, the rave promoters Nocturnal Audio and Sensory Awakening took over the New York Coliseum for the See the Light tour, with four live groups and and an all-star crew of disc jockies. See the Light is the largest rave tour to date, carying the rave experience beyond its established costal enclaves. While its trappings are familiar to a New Yorker, they still have dizzying effects, and may seem more startling elsewhere. The Coliseum's convention floor became a dance floor. Speakers at the front and near the back setup ping-ponging stereo effects.; there were screens onstage, flanking the stage and on side walls, along with multi-colored lights, mirrored balls and spotlights. The disk jockeys, among them DB, Jason Jinx, Dmitry (of Deee-Lite) and D.J. Tim (of the Utah Saints) each provided a distinct slice of rave music: sumptous sustained synthesizers with female vocies promising "ecstacy" (whether it was the state or the drug was not specified), agressive staccato techno tracks, bouncy rhythms close to disco and house music, all with few words and drum-machine heartbeats. While thousands of people occupied the main floor, dozen's danced in a smaller room to a disk jockey, percussionists and keyboardists. Despite its varitey most of the music was circumscribed, one four-bar pattern repeating or giving away to the next as consistently as a Baroque passacaglia. _________ Aphex Twin was the clear standout among the bands. While an unnamed man danced at center stage, Richard James hunched unassumingly behind computers and keyboards, improvising with repeatable motifs and defying techno formulas. He renched the music away from its disco roots, creating patterns with with unpitched clanks and buzzes and screeches, then building dense, ferocious assemblages. Simulated xylophones and log drums gave his first pieces a cyber-jungle flavor, and even when Aphex Twin moved closer to the standard techno, there was always a startling synchopation or a dissonant sound - sawmill accidents, squealing tires, evil robotic ducks - to give his music an edge. Moby (Richard Melville Hall, Herman Melville's great-great-grand- nephew) wants to break free of techno performers' usual anonymity. With another keyboardists in the shadows, he was a hyperactive front man: rapping, shouting, exhortations ("Go!" "Jump!"), pounding an electronic drum pad or playing keyboard blips. His songs are skeletal but high-powered dance tracks, and his example has the crowd shouting in response. Vapourspace, the project of Mark Gage, started out genteler, with a rippling arpeggio out of Phillip Glass and a sliding sustained note. It was ambient music, which raves provide for patrons who want to take a breather. Once a dance music beat kicked in, though, the music turned earthbound. The two keyboardists and composers of Orbital, Phil and Paul Hartnoll, performed wearing flashlight-like "eyes" that bobbed in the darkness onstage. Their music percolated along at medium tempos, using realistic sounds (sampled voices, a sitar-like drone) , moving forward and then reviving a motif from a few minutes earlier. The tone was jaunty, but the four bar patterns were relentless; playing at 4 A.M., the band oftened sounded as if it were marking time rather then transforming it. ### From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 17:01:52 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 20:00:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: halloween excursions Status: Five thirty on friday afternoon and the partial Pittsburgh crew consisting of Brian Bozarth (lunatik), myself, and three non-netters Jeremy, Jenn, and Paulina hit the road bound for DC. It seems no matter how many times I've been to that Tracks/Buzz/Mongrel area of town (about ten by now), I can never seem to find it from other parts of DC. So after several wrong turns, we eventually stumbled upon Buzz. The crowd was more frat-boys & stylin'-studs than usual, but as can be expected, most of them left around 3 or 4. I was reminded how little I like live performances, but I guess they're okay once in a while. Certainly don't do much for a vibe, though. Vapourspace: okay. Aphex: I liked the music a lot, but I think it would have been better later on. Also I think about 98% of the people there thought that the dancer was the Aphex Twin. Moby: as always, powerful bordering on cheesy. For one song where Moby whipped out the raspy vocals and the electric guitar, I felt like I was at a Ministry concert. Orbital: They looked spooky enough wearing the Fluid flashlight glasses, but their performance was sort of uninspired I thought. I wandered downstairs to hear Dante. As always Dante pulled off a fantastic set. It was perhaps even more appreciated than usual, since I didn't know how long it would be til I heard him again. According to Paul from DC-raves, he already has an address out in SF and will be moving pretty darn soon. :( After Buzz, a bunch of people came back to my house to crash. After a few hours of sleep, we pulled ourselves up, grabbed breakfast at "Schlokov's Deli" (or something like that) and sped off to CT for Mark's dinner. It was a long drive and we finally pulled into Mark's hood around 10. All you people who backed out of Mark's dinner: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MISSED! Mark had prepared this wonderful 50-year old Italian dinner that his grandfather had taught him or something. :) It was awesome, chuck full o' meat and potatoes and veggies. Perfect for a pre-rave dinner. He even baked a cheesecake which we had for breakfast the next day. We took off a little after 11, driving through the rain towards Rhode Island. When we first got the park, I thought we had the wrong night. I saw a few cars parked here and there, and a couple people wandering around. It took us a while to find the entrance. We finally did and went inside. The door people were friendly, in fact all of the park personel seemed really friendly the whole night, with their great Rhode Island accents. :) We wandered around looking for the dance floors and eventually located the Palladium/Mausoleum, whatever they called it. So THAT'S where all the people were! Before long we ran into more and more net-ravers and eventually the ne-raves campsite off to the side of the dancefloor. Great to see all of you again, and meet some of those I'd never met before: Jeannie, Grant, Amy, Yusef, China, Hossam, god there were many more too that I can't remember. :) The music hit many highs and lows. I like Scott Henry, but after hearing him spin the same set for the fourth time in the past month, I'm getting a little annoyed that he doesn't buy any new records with all the money he's making. I liked Joeski's old-school house set in the early morning. ("My watch says it's 93, but I could swear it's 1975" said Mark.) I must say I totally love all that old disco-y synth music. And that bassline stolen from Rapper's Delight got me moving. Dante's set again was awesome. I didn't explore the Crypt much, because it wasn't as comfy as the other place. (hardwood floors everywhere as opposed to carpet) Overall I had a fantastic time. Put 30-40 netravers in one place and I think it's pretty much impossible that we don't all enjoy ourselves! (some more than others, of course) I'm still really curious to hear the stories of graft filled promoters from dieselBoy and/or Jake, though. ...? The suggestion was made to take a picture of the stage at the end of the rave and make a pissed-off-djs.GIF for techno.stanford, but I couldn't muster up the energy to get out the camera. After a while, Mark, Dan, and the Pitt crew finally grabbed breakfast at Friendly's. ("They're really coming out of the woodwork today" said our waitress when she thought we couldn't hear.) Good food for hungry ravers. Back to Mark's for a nice long six hour slumber on his floor and then more hearty stick-to-yer-ribs food. We finally took off around 8:30 pm, in the middle of the Simpsons. :( Through rain, sleet, and snow, we finally made it back to Pittsburgh at around 8am this morning. Apparently a new record was set for snowfall in Pittsburgh in October. I've been told eight inches out near the airport. Yikes. I haven't really looked outside in the daylight yet. (one of those zero-class days for me) I'm still in that post-rave daze at this point. A very long weekend.... see you guys again soon, I hope. --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 17:21:38 1993 From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 17:21:15 -0800 Subject: Re: hearing damage.. Status: On Nov 1, 6:46pm, you proclaimed: } There are these Hi-Fi earplugs that are sold - usually in the back } of musician's magazines that are supposed to be very effective in cutting } down the volume of a signal, and not affecting the fidelity. They work } by 'attenuating' - cutting down all frequencies evenly, rather than cutting } just the highs, which results in the annoying muffled sound you get } when you wear other types of earplugs. } } I've seen them priced anywhere from $15 to $70.. They're probably worth } it, though. Larry Ching on SFRaves did a close-to-scientific test on various kinds of earplugs, and the clear winner: wet Kleenex. It cut out the right amount of highs without muffling the lows, and it was comfortable enough to wear for hours without pain. And you certainly can't beat the price. Brian From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 18:11:55 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 21:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: halloween excursions Status: On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Michael J Minnich wrote: > Orbital: They looked spooky enough wearing the Fluid flashlight glasses heh, funny - I always called them my Orbital flashlight glasses :) _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 18:34:37 1993 From: Francis L Sibilla Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 20:41:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: the first time.... Status: On Sun, 31 Oct 1993 LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu wrote: > just wondering.... > > how did you even get involved into the rave scene, anyway? everyone seems to > have a defining moment, an event that got them into this happy amoebic mass > known as "rave". > (Timeline . . . May 1992) I had heard rumors of raves in England and SF but sort of srugged it off as something I'll never have the opportunity to experienceing - my cousins in England had gone to a few but didn't really say much except that it had died off. I'm originally from philly and kept in touch with a bunch of people - I went to a birthday party the weekend my exams at UD had ended (last week in may) and all these people I knew were talking about this storm event they went to in Brooklyn. From what they described it sounded like the warehouse parties I used to go to in west philly - just on a larger scale. And they said there was going to be an event in philly in a couple of weeks. In the mean time - my roomate told me about alt.rave - and from that I found out about FUTURE (scheduled for the night after the philly event). Two weeks later - on June 26th - I talked a friend into driving up to philly for the event. As soon as I arrived it felt very different from events I had been to before - the atmosphere was much friendlier and I started running into tons of people I hadn't seen in years - people from my street, gradeschool, highschool, people from the clubs I used to go to - It was a huge reunion for me - while at the same time I went up stairs and the music was great - I loved it, but hadn't heard any of it before. Between talking to old lost friends and dancing myself into a sweaty mess - I really got worked up into an excited state - believe it or not - it was in philly and it had a positive vibe. Minutes later,at about 12:30 the music stopped, the cops were outside and it was over. The event was packed to capacity and there were hundreds of people still waiting to get in. The street was quickly filled with confused kids and cop cars. I had so much hope that something new would develop in philly - but as we all know - it didn't. This was the best event I've ever been to in philly. It's a shame it didn't develop along lines closer to Baltimore. Anyway, the next night I made it to FUTURE and was really impressed - people that had been into the scene for a while said it wasn't too impressive - but for me it was. As soon as we arrived, I walked around the small building and saw probably over a thousand people dancing in a field with intellibeams (which I had never seen before except for a couple at concerts) sweaping across the crowd. Again, I also started running into people I hadn't seen in a while (like chuck (revar)). So in a way raves have been a great opportunity to see people for me. So I danced until the sun came up - and then some - which I had never done before. Crawled back to delaware and told everyone about my wonderful experience. And that was my first weekend of raving. And ever since I've been into it. Then in October I went to Laura's pre-rave (and ran into chuck again - the first time since FUTURE) and ever since I've been on ne-raves. Sorry for being so long winded about it. Fran From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 19:12:34 1993 From: Machine Media <0005995336@mcimail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 23:45 GMT Subject: HEARING DAMAGE Status: BIPEDS: I'm not an audiologist or an ENT, but I have given them enough $ over the last few months 2 know what I am talking about :( Earplugs are good - WEAR THEM. Do not wear earplugs in only one ear or pull one out of only one ear 2 talk 2 someone. Yr ears have a built in protection mechanism - the contraction of the stirupidus muscle (which is mondo teeny) which dampens the conduction of sound from yr tympanic membrane (yr eardrum) along a chain of tiny bones 2 yr cochlea. There are many reflex actions in which yr ears work in tamdem ie. both ears are used 2 determine the stimuli and both ears react. Damage 2 the eardrum from sound is unlikely, most eardrum damage comes from foreign objects or radical presure changes (like blowing yr nose too hard). Trauma 2 the stirupidus muscle can be cause by having a large beetle confusing yr tympani with a moonbounce. It causes occaisional popping which is annoying as hell. Ringing or howling in the ears (like a constant narrow tone like U pushed up a digital EQ too far) is caused by hair cell damage. In extreme cases it is know as nerve deafness or tintinitis. It is incurrable. In some cases it is temporary, or in less severe permanent cases, yr brain just gets used 2 it and filters it out. If you pinch off an ear and you notice ringing, U have hair cell damage. Hair cell damage is cause by loud noise. Phil is right about baffled ear plugs. They filter out sound in the high end where the frequencies are the most damaging. Then again, CHEAP EARPLUGS ARE BETTER THAN NO EARPLUGS AT ALL. The ears metabolize (change, heal) very, very slowly compared 2 the rest of the body. U can easily damage yr ears without having the effects be noticable 4 a long time. There are also cummalative damaging effects from loud noise. If in doubt get yr ears thouroghly checks, even if U don't have a problem now, the results from the exam can be used as a point of reference in diagnosing any future problems. I can empathize with Fluid's point about wanting 2 hear everything, but what is more important? 2 hear everything now, or not be able 2 hear somethings at all later. By comparision, brain damage is often fun and usually painless, ear damage is often very painful amnd is never fun. So, please, take my advice: W E A R E A R P L U G S ! ! PEACE OUT :) MARK From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 19:18:38 1993 From: Laura La Gassa Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 19:18:32 -0800 Subject: bad COLOURBOX news Status: Hi all. I just got two pieces of email from Jake (Melon Dezign), who is one of the partners in Colourbox on Wednesdays at the Casbah in Philadelphia. Anyway, Jake hired me about 2 weeks ago to do Colourbox this Wednesday night. I spoke with Jake on Saturday and he said all systems were go. Tonight Jake hears from one of his partners, Joe (DJ Mace) that they can't afford to pay me and therefore don't want me to come down. So, if you were planning on coming out just to see me don't bother making the trip. I'm rather disappointed -- if Mace had made a counter offer or offered me another date that would have been real nice of him -- but I can't go around teaching the world tact :-) . One *BIG* thing in Mace's favor (besides him being a good DJ): he had the honesty and good business practice to figure out in ADVANCE that he was going over budget and got word to me BEFORE the big event, rather than afterwards. But do me a favor -- if any stupid stories about me "now showing" get going around, quash them with the truth. Thanks. So, all you Philadelphia people: go out and support Colourbox! If it works then they'll be able to have me down someday! See you Friday at the Freight Yard, Laura From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 19:33:56 1993 From: t808@mindvox.phantom.com (taylor deupree) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 22:23:56 EST Subject: CASPER! Status: well.. as manish was thinking of all the poor ne-ravers who might have tried to go to a rained-out casper... i was thinking of all the poor ne-ravers who went to maskarave and MISSED casper! while i'm sure maskarave was a blast... Casper was AMAZING... tho a bit strange... casper was an experience that needed to last an entire weekend...there was so much to do.. and far too little time to do it. the music wasn't amazing.. by any means... certain sets were.. here and there.. but.. for some reason.. i didn't mind.. 1becuase the whole.. EXPERIENCE was amazing.. the people were great... walking around with tina in the bitter cold was great...riding the rides was great...being in an amusement park at 4 am. in late october was SURREAL!! the problems lied in the fact that the music ws just too spread out..the mulit-arena thing alwasy bothers me.. becuase i never know quite where i should be at any given time... so, tina and i figured it would be best to just stay with the ne-posse and park it. a word of praise must go out to all the visuals...there were at least 3 or 4 or 5...computer graphics projection set ups.. as well as some of the nicest lasers (john).. (hey.. and my pen laser! :) that i've seen.. the fact that it ws raining and cold.. in a way.. made it even better...becuase the crowd seemed to be REALLY into it..they made the trek in the horrible driving conditions to be THERE.. and it showed. many small, but significant memories were made th at night... ad it was great to see so many ne-ravers.. ..and..there's something realllllly nice about sharing cups of hot chocolate and onion rings with someone you love in the bitter cold of autumn.. watching ravers walk about.. >>taylor (hmm... maybe this wont' be my last word on casper...lots more to be said probably!) ooooo o o o O O o o o o \ / o o --- o ooooo +----------------> smiley is alive. there's acid in the house. From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 19:48:42 1993 From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu (Prince of Darkness) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 22:48:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: CASPER - WHAT DJS GO THRU TO GET PAID Status: Everyone, tho i lurk far too much than i feel i should, i feel obligated to let everyone know about what happened to most of the people employed by "FeelGood Entertainment" - the folks who threw the Casper rave last weekend. if you didn't go, this may at least be an interesting story about what can happen to djs and people in general who deal with promoters...... ------ Story. ------ In order to keep this short, i won't go into detail about what exactly happened at the rave (who dj'ed, how much fun i had, etc). surmise it to say that i had a blast, met a lot of cool new people (including a lot of other fellow djs) and once again got to see my good net raver friends :) it was great! now, as far as the business end goes, the event was thrown by "Feel- Good Entertainment". This group consisted of one man - Mike Regan, an older guy with a constant smile and a happy attitude...someone you could really trust. he is the guy that called me in august and set me up with this event and who sent me fliers, etc. one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. as the event neared, i still had yet to receive a contract, nor did i receive my free guest tickets and t-shirt and so on. i called the casper line and left a message. my call was returned by a guy named Greg Lancelot, a promoter from california whom mike had enlisted to come help out in getting the rave off of the ground. as we talked, i found greg to be another really friendly guy. he had a lot of the "californian" in him...he kept calling me "bro" every other word. pretty funny actually. he told me that mike had been "getting lazy" and that *he* was now in charge of making sure all the djs had contracts, etc. we agreed on a price (this was like three days before the event) and he told me that he would get me a guest list *instead of* free tickets. he said i could sign my contract as soon as i got there and i would get paid *in cash* as soon as i finished my set. cool. he said i was going to start spinning in the mausoleum at 7pm. the deal was done. i spun the evening before in cleveland at WICKED. they had a shit set-up...when i got there only *one* turntable was operating. i waited over an hour to get new needles for the decks. very lame. i left cleveland and stopped back in pittsburgh to clean up for the trip. got out of there around 8am. drove non-stop and arrived at rocky point park (the location) at 6:30pm. i was dead from the driving and having had stayed up all night. but we made it in time for my set. we drove the car and parked it and walked straight into the mausoleum. totally went around the main gates. we asked where greg was. no one knew. we wandered over to the main gates and tried to get wrist bands for my friends (so the park security would let them walk around the place). i found out that they *did not* have my guest list. so my friends from cleveland that were guest listed ended up having to pay because somehow it was *lost*. this gave me a bad vibe from the beginning. then, once again, no one could locate greg. even the guys with the walkie talkies. i *needed* to get my contract signed. so i wandered back to the mausoleum. by this time 7pm had rolled around and i wasn't spinning yet. no one was (or had). i finally located greg and got my contract signed and all that. he said the room next door (The Windjammer) was hosting some sort of banquet and they had a some guest speaker and if we played music then the speaker would be drowned out. the park wasn't letting it happen. i told him how stupid i thought that was and he said that when they made the deal with the park, they tried to get around that point but were unable to. basically, he knew that the "no one can spin due to a banquet" shit was most likely going to happen. sigh. when i asked him when i was going to spin, he told me that i could go on in the morning sometime. i offered to spin first in the mausoleum when they got it up and running. he agreed. soooo, about a half hour later he comes to me and tells me to get my vinyl, that i am going to go in a couple of minutes. this was around 9pm. i had already wandered around a bit, met up with some net friends, talked to dale charles and overload and basically just hung out. i retrieved my records and approached the decks. greg got on the mic and announced me and next thing i knew, BAM! "Flammable" by Johnny Jungle filled the room. and from where i was standing on stage, the system was *loud*. only problem was, the monitors were *too* loud. i could barely hear what was in my headphones when they were maxed out. it was difficult to spin. but i got a groove going and the floor began to fill up. i thought "man, this is going to be alright". wrong. after about 20 minutes, this snapperhead mafioso-type security guy runs up on stage and yells at me to "TURN THAT FUCKING MUSIC DOWN!". i proceed to ask him "how low?". we get in an argument. he tells me to turn it down so the people next door cannot hear it. i tell him that i have yet to go next door and i haven't a fucking clue how loud it is over there. he makes me turn it down to an extremely low level and he leaves. then a guy from ACME comes up to me and tells me to turn it up because "hey man...the guy is just security". so i crank it back up again and start another mix. wouldn't you know it, 1 minute later the guard comes back and almost swings at me. he is yelling at the top of his lungs and his head is getting all red, puffy and swollen. he forces me to turn off the sound system. i shut it all down and i get on the mic and briefly explain the problem about the old folks dining next door. it is obvious the raving crowd is not pleased. i was pissed off. this spelled the end of my dj'ing for the event. oh well....time to go rave (after i get paid). well greg is nowhere to be found so i go over to the crypt to listen to overload's set. we agree beforehand that we are going to locate greg when his set is over and claim our $$. during his set i meet up with another fellow breakbeat dj and a cool guy to boot named Jason Mouse. found out that he spun a *2 hour* set in the mausoleum because there were no djs there. ARRRGGGHHH! after shawn's set, the three of us (me, shawn and jason) find greg and ask him for our $$. he tells us that they are counting the money and that they were just breaking even, but not to worry, *all the djs were getting paid* (foreshadowing here). he tells us to find him again around 6am. we roll our eyes at each other and go wander around a bit more. finally, the dawn hour appraoches, and the three of us once again walk around to find greg. he is nowhere to be found. then we hang out in the crypt waiting for him to show up. eventually we see mike regan walking by. he goes up to osheen and has a conversation with him. i lean over to shawn and jason and i tell them that it is my guess that we are going to get screwed out of our money for the event. at this point osheen is looking a bit angry. well, a few minutes later, a sad mike regan walks out of the crypt. upon questioning osheen we find that it is true - none of the djs are going to get paid. the only people that were to get any money were those who had already gotten some in advance (like 4). but they weren't going to get anymore that evening. we are all highly pissed. we head off to find the guy that promised us our cash - greg. you see, i'll interject at this point and let you know that greg had talked his mouth off about being a big promoter from cali, throwing $120,00 events, how he basically had to fucking *do* everything because mike was a lazy shit and how he practically singlehandedly threw the whole thing together himself. this was the guy we wanted to find for our $$$. good ol' greg wasn't going to let us down. after a fruitless search, we cannot find him. but we see mike regan again. he tells some other dj the same thing as he passes out candy on the tables in the chillout room. he fucking doesnt even talk to me, shawn or jason (three of the damn djs). walks right on by. the anger level grows. we head back to the crypt. eventually we find greg. he is near the dj booth talking with some people. we approach him and talk to him. after a bit he tells us to follow him to the mausoleum and he runs off at high speed. we follow (now joined by plenty of other djs including james christian, dante, noah, dale charles, etc). we gather on the mausoleum stage and wait to see what happens. once again he assures of that we are going to get paid. he then tells us to "wait here" and he leaves to go do something. we wait. and wait. and wait. after about 25 minutes, the guy from ACME asks us what we are waiting for. we tell him that we are waiting to get paid. he laughs and says that we are going to be waiting a long time - apparently mike regan and his friend (and investor) Vlad have *left the park with all the ticket money*. he says that he is personally getting screwed by over 5 thousand bucks. everyone becomes even more pissed off. Tiga keeps saying that he gave mike about $3400 canadian from the bus trips and that mike couldn't even cash the money until monday when the banks open. Osheen keeps saying that he is going to stab and kill mike and vlad. everyone else grumbles and nods their collective heads. eventually most of us head over to the afterhours in the crypt. we are trying to locate the "now-missing" greg lancelot. after arriving there we see that On-E is spinning. we wait around for greg, our contracts burning in our pockets. finally greg shows up. a lot of the djs crowd aound him near the dj booth and Dante starts a yelling match with him. i add now that dante can speak very well and gets his point across. he tells greg that we want to get paid and greg says that he will send us all money orders on monday. not good enuff. dante stresses the fact we barely know greg and that he could totally fuck us once this whole thing is over. the arguing continues. On-E gets in on it. the final decision - go out to greg's car and try and call mike (the promoter). we head out to the parking lot. greg calls around and gets ahold of mike's mom. she hasn't heard from him. he tells us that mike is probably at a cottage that the park let him use while he was working on the event. a carload of djs set off for the cottage, hopefully to return with our money. it is past 9am by this point. people were waiting for me so they could leave. i explain to them my dilema and tell them to head off...i'll meet up with them later. i needed this money to live on next month. they understand. i had hoped to leave hours earlier...i was tired. i was cranky. i was starving. most of the djs had already left from disgust (jason, overload, scott henry, etc). a few hardcore remained to try to get their fair share. eventually greg comes back with mike regan. mike explains that they lost $25,000 and that vlad, the investor (who invested 35 grand) had left mike and took off with all the loot. mike is looking really haggard at this point. he explains that he set up the cottage with juices, cheese, crackers, etc for all the djs (the complimentary breakfast promised in the contract). no one really cares much at this point. we want our money. mike begins to be verbally threatened by a couple of the remaining djs and crew (who also got screwed). he panics and keeps saying that "vlad couldn't have left town...he hasn't returned his rent-a-car, etc etc". he asks someone is they want to canvass the area's airport hotels to find the car. everyone tells him that if he doesn't pay up that he is going to be in some serious shit. he asks everyone to come outside. outside, vlad had just pulled up in his car. greg and mike hop into the car with him and begin "business talks". a few of the djs sit on the car and wait for the outcome. evntually vlad comes flying out of the drivers side yelling "no one fucking tells me how to do business...blah...blah". everyone crowds around him - boxing him in. money is demanded. he tells everyone that he doesnt owe them anything. he says he invested $35,000 into the event and that he was supposed to get it all back (by contract). we disagree. we tell him that he gambled his money through promoting, with the *possibility* of making thousands, not the guarantee. we tell him that the event lost money, and that he still has more expenses before he can regain his investment. he doesn't get it. at this point, both him and mike are surrounded by both djs and crew. we demand our $$. we tell him that we didn't fucking pay to dj, and that we need that $$ to live on and pay for our records, etc. eventually, the words turn nasty and vlad and mike are basically told that is they don't pay up then there is going to be some serious trouble. mike pulls a bag of cash out of the car. when someone tries to grab it from him, he yells for security. security comes over and after they are told what is happening...how everyone is getting screwed over tho contracted, they understand. mike tells vlad that he is going to have roll with the punches and he begins to hand out money. not everyone is going to get paid (they had $8000 less than they needed to pay everyone). i managed to come away with 75% of what i was owed (and it was all in canadian funds too). everyone looked really tired. at that point it actually felt *bad* to be a dj. the business aspect of it sometimes really makes you feel like the bad guy. i walked back to the car and began the 11 hour return trip to pittsburgh. i plan on calling mike regan in the next few days to discuss what happened. i don't know if everyone else who left is getting paid. i don't know what happened to mike. he fucked a lot of people over. i think his rep is practically ruined. he threw a *slamming* party, but as always, most everyone there had no clue as to what was going on behind the scenes. sad indeed. and there we go, dieselBoy ---------------- living in darkness From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 19:57:22 1993 From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 23:05:58 EST Subject: My first time Status: Well, I guess how I got into it is worth telling... I was looking for an alternative to the vibeful jams that I have been missing from the high days of funky skating. You see, skating has come though some major boom/bust cycles and the dance type of skating I do has lost a lot of its popularity with an ever decreasing set of venues. Boston lost its big venue with the demise of Spinoff. (It is now Gillians -- the rink floor is still there covered with pool tables.) The NY scene is still good though -- check out the Mall in Central Park! I read about raves in various usenet and newsprint articles and it matched what I had in mind for a dance form of the vibeful jams that used to go on during good skate nights. Skaters will feed off of each others jamming. You can still see this in Central Park and the Roxy in Manhattan. Also the another parallel with the rave scene is that solo dance skating is "accepted" as is solo dancing. (Now talk about retro -- you go into a rink and they will have a collection of old funk that traces many of the roots of today's techno. You can still hear a lot of this during sessions. White Lines is still played a lot for example. So is P-Funk. Have you noticed that George Clinton is coming back? Check out the cover of Vibe.) My first rave was Wonderland. It was so close to where I lived, I could not resist. I was floored. So, I went to Blue. I was hooked. Now a confession. I am 38 8-), still very much an active skater, but missing enough good sessions to keep me satisfied. I found dancing though skating. I will dance till my feet fall off -- this happened at Casper. I literally could not dance anymore after 6 hrs or so dancing. I feel a bit (Way! -- being shy doesn't help either) out on the age histogram for raves, but there is one big thing that happens at raves, and good skating -- transcendence. You all have probably experienced this. At first things can annoy you -- club types, streams of people walking in front of you, perhaps little aches and pains, your feeling out of the norm, the cold rain, etc. Then the music rips, you ride the vibe, you transcend the stupidities of life. For me it is a bad experience if you don't get a chance to transcend, and good if you can. It is like night and day. It really helps if you can feed off of each others vibe. I certainly transcended at Casper. Transcending BS though dancing and skating, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 20:23:28 1993 From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 23:32:04 EST Subject: SURREALlistic CASPER! Status: the music wasn't amazing.. by any means... certain sets were.. here and there.. but.. for some reason.. i didn't mind.. 1becuase the whole.. EXPERIENCE was amazing.. the people were great... walking around with tina in the bitter cold was great...riding the rides was great...being in an amusement park at 4 am. in late october was SURREAL!! Yes, SURREAL was a word that comes to my mind too -- seeing people screeeeeming at 5AM on the Loop-De-Loop and the Free Fall is like the bridge scene in APorkLipsNow! Did you notice that the crowd stuck till the end? It was AMAZING to see that many people on the dance floor at 7am -- was it that extra free hour I wonder? SURREALlisticly, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 22:01:06 1993 From: vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 00:01:31 -0600 Subject: test Status: This is a test ignore (NeXT mail sucks, it breakz too easy ;) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 22:27:29 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 01:27:25 -0500 Subject: Re: the first time.... Status: Ahhhhhh, memories - how cute :) Let's see - back in '77, becoming an avid Kraftwerk fan after my father ( yes, my father :) bought Man Machine 'cos he sorta liked it - I listened to it, and listened to it, and listened to it then raced out to buy any other stuff by these guys - wooooo... Mid to late 80's and I'm going out with a girl who turns out to be an E dealer - first trips, first weed, first E, first totally stuffed up feeling. Still listening to Kraftwerk but also Gary Newman, Devo, Buzzcocks, Bauhaus, wide & varied tastes. Very late 80's and I'm hearing of these RAT parties going down in the Horden Pavillion and warehouses in Sydney - managed to catch a couple while holidaying with friends - acid was the drug of choice at these and the music was wild ( but E & speed were there of course :). Really kicked into rave mode with friends in the early 90's, most of the best ones happening at the end of '92 and early '93, just before leaving Sydney to come here. Thanks to the net, I found ALT.RAVE, from there, NE-RAves was a quick discovery. Now, here I am, an Ozzie rave head partying as hard as I can afford ( time, work and $$$ :) and loving every minute of it... Grant ( Spaceman Spliff ) From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 22:28:28 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 22:39:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: bad COLOURBOX news Status: On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Laura La Gassa wrote: > Hi all. I just got two pieces of email from Jake (Melon Dezign), who is one > of the partners in Colourbox on Wednesdays at the Casbah in Philadelphia. > > Anyway, Jake hired me about 2 weeks ago to do Colourbox this Wednesday night. > I spoke with Jake on Saturday and he said all systems were go. Tonight > Jake hears from one of his partners, Joe (DJ Mace) that they can't afford to > pay me and therefore don't want me to come down. So, if you were planning > on coming out just to see me don't bother making the trip. > > I'm rather disappointed -- if Mace had made a counter offer or offered me > another date that would have been real nice of him -- but I can't go around > teaching the world tact :-) . One *BIG* thing in Mace's favor (besides him > being a good DJ): he had the honesty and good business practice to figure > out in ADVANCE that he was going over budget and got word to me BEFORE the > big event, rather than afterwards. > > But do me a favor -- if any stupid stories about me "now showing" get going > around, quash them with the truth. Thanks. > > So, all you Philadelphia people: go out and support Colourbox! If it works > then they'll be able to have me down someday! > > See you Friday at the Freight Yard, > > Laura I just want to add something; I printed flyers for this coming Colour Box on friday on which I printed that the guest DJ will indeed be Laura and today I got a call from one of the partners who said that we cannot afford her to come over.... Anyhow I am fed up myself with the way Colour Box is being run, so is the "other" partner [there are 3 of us, Me, Mace [Joe] and John with the lights/lasers who is the "other" partner]... I just hope things work out... Jake From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 22:49:32 1993 From: cmellow@moose.uvm.edu Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 01:49:28 -0500 Subject: Re: the first time.... Status: ok, i'll bite :) i happened upon an "acid house" club in Salamanca, Spain during the summer of '89 and i imediately liked what was going on. I ended up going to this club about 4 times during the month that i was in Spain and when i got home i started to look for signs of parties going on in detroit, because, as i was informed in Spain, i was lucky to be from detroit. (?) So, eventually i found a couple parties during the summer of '91 at this place called the alley, but i didn't go to any for the next year, as none of my friends were into it and therefor it was hard to get someone to go with, or even to know if anything was going on. Then during the summer of '92 i went to a couple parties at this place in detroit called the bankle building. Then i found out about ne-raves after getting an account on the machine here at school and i subscribed. i didn't go to any east-coast parties until "Reverse" up here in vermont last spring, because #1 i didn't have a car most the year and #2 i didn't really know any netters and so driving hours to a rave in Boston or NY seemed less rewarding. But anyhow, so then i went to fields of joy and got to love the whole bussiness even more :) and this summer i went nuts in detroit and went to parties pretty much every weekend. and now that i'm back at school i've been to a few already. :) some of you know me now, and that makes taking "rave vacations" even more fun :) whew..nostalgia :) chris From ne-raves-owner Mon Nov 1 23:09:06 1993 From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 02:08:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: hearing damage.. Status: Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 1-Nov-93 hearing damage.. by Alan Michael Parry@strau > > Ok, after a night with afx, this becomes a serious question. Just what > are the realities of hearing damage? Right now, I have that constant > buzzing tone in my ears that I usually come away with after seeing a > concert or PA of any kind, and I *know* thats not good. I usually am okay > after a rave unless the sound is especially loud but PA's such as last > night and the Orb last weekend both left me buzzing. I tried wearing > earplugs once but it just muffled the sound to the point that I just took > the out again. Is there something I can do to protect myself without > losing all those high-end tweeks and dampening everything? just how > well, i've been going to concerts steadily since like ninth grade, and i now am paying for it: I have tinnitus. It's kind of terrible; some nights i have trouble getting to sleep because the ringing is so damned loud..I would really recommend wearing earplugs to any amplified event, but sometimes it really *does* take away from the experience, especially if the music has alot of nuances that you need to listen closely to hear. It just sucks that it has to be so damned loud. mikebee _________________________________________________________________ mikebee@cmu.edu | Australia! Australia! We love you, Amen. | Michel Battaglia | | nuff vibes | --Monty Python's Flying Circus | -----------------------------------------------------------------| ---------------------|___________________________________________| From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 00:08:38 1993 From: JOSEPH P. BAGDONAS Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 02:07 CDT Subject: MW-Ravers meet NE-Ravers at Casper Status: Two other MW-Raves people (Boris and Svetyana) and I, after roadtripping from Madison, Wis. to D.C. for the NASA tour at Buzz (mildly fun), went to Casper. Half of the reason we came so far to the amusement park fiasco was to see a large sample of East Coast DJs at once (50% successful), but the other half of it was that we simply wanted to meet you. However, having received NE-Raves since June or July, and only having 2nd hand info about the NE scene, I expected to meet with a fair amount of attitude and derision. What a welcome suprise it was for us, then, when we were greeted by hardness-melting, heartwarming smiles and hugs from xtra friendly NE-Ravers at the meeting point! All told, we met about ten of you at the rollercoaster, and then a dozen more later on. I really should have had pen and paper ready to record all of your names so I could thank you personally for the kindness we received. I don't want to draw this out, so let me just say that the salient point of the night was recognizing that despite the rich diversity of Casper NE-Ravers' personalities, I still saw impressive signs of community spirit among you. So to NE-Raves, from the Midwest, let me say, respect is due! I would love to go to Timewarp this Fri. in Allentown, which looks more fun, DJwise, than Casper (although Overload and Dante did have smoking sets at Casper), but I may not be recovered in time. So when will we see NE-Raves people roadtripping to Wisconsin, the hardest state in the union, to even the exchange, so that we may together purify ourselves in the Holy Hardcore? More realistically, since I can tell you from this weekend that the Road Life is a twisted and sad affair, maybe a centrally located event in Penn. or Toronto (Pleasureforce on New Years?!!!) would allow MW and NE ravers to meet on a larger scale. Take care all, Yusef "Friendship is the basis of liberation." "Create dangerously." Albert Camus From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 04:17:44 1993 From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 04:17:35 -0800 Subject: Re: RAVE MAP Status: Okay, after a fair amount of net.surfing, I think it will be possible to set up what you imagine - it's already a feature in XMosaic 2.0 and MacMosaic B6, both of which I have been playing with tonight (instead of studying for a midterm in 7 hours). Anyways, if you have access to a machine that can run the new versions of XMosaic and want to try it out, check out: http://palua.hcc.hawaii.edu/ccmap/ccmap.html I've gotten some instructions from them on how to do it but it's gonna take a fair amount of work to get it fully implemented. And I'm not sure yet if it's work that can easily be distributed, either, but possibly. I'll look more into it later. How many people out there have access to this? This is NOT something you can run over a 2400 baud modem. It'd be slow at 14.4K modem speed. In about 3 years the average person will have the computer technology to fully enjoy this, but I worry that the majority of people will write this off coz they can't use it. If any of you have access to a Mac SI or Quadra connected to a high-speed connection at a university or work, try and see if they have the new MacMosaic B6 installed, and check it out. I grabbed it and ran it here, an it's AMAZING. You can get it from ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mac/Mosaic. Brian From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 05:10:37 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 08:09:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: the "rave movie" redux Status: On Sun, 31 Oct 1993 LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu wrote: > i dont know about you, but the only unrelenting fear i've had in relation to > an event was when danFREElove ordered the breakfast burrito at McDonalds > after Sunshine II :). I knew that burrito was going to come back to haunt me. Sorry for having to burden everyone with the curse of the unallocated breakfast burrito. Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 08:16:16 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:16:11 EST Subject: Extra Moby/Orbital/Aphex ticket Status: I have an extra ticket for the Moby/Orbital/Aphex Twin show for tonight at the Paradise. The ticket is $18. Let me know ASAP if you want it... (We'll arrange later to pick it up if you want it) -John From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 09:45:58 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 12:44:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: The absence of attitude (fwd) Status: I think this got posted to the wrong spot. This is from Rob Campanell. :) Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 21:38:13 EST From: Robert Campanell To: ne-raves-owner@techno.Stanford.EDU Subject: The absence of attitude This used to be a problem about 6-9 months ago, but I think the novelty of raves has worn off on the east coast. Most of the people that go to raves are experienced ravers. - Rob From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 10:08:32 1993 From: jcarow@MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 13:08:19 EST Subject: BOSTON-AFX/ORBITAL/MOBY hookup Status: Who's going to the Aphex Twin/Orbital/Moby concert tonight at the Paradise? so far, I know of.... myself bag@mit.edu trellos@mit.edu detlev@mit.edu soundz@mit.edu jshiple@media.mit.edu jenberry@acs.bu.edu kumquat@acs.bu.edu (possibly) If you are too please let me know... We should set a time and place to meet or something. later, Casper From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 12:03:48 1993 From: kzimmerman@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 15:03:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: respex Status: big mouth Kreig here. first off id like to give a thumbs up to ed and darshan for their direct and indirect support about my whole spiel. revealing thoughts like those leaves a person quite naked in a time where anything remotely touching on racial matters is concerned. next a thumbs down (sorry not a dis) to that guy who said raves are a biochemical transfer or all that shit. =) sorry mate, not trying to be harsh, but i like to dance only because im a stupid dipshit who only intellectualizes after having too much to drink or smoke. (heavy...) then the finger to that guy who called me a racist. hey boy, i did qualify my remarks. i dont need to get in some PC pissing match just so you can condemn me and preserve whatever you think. but maybe you guys are right considering i almost died saturday from doing a few 360's in my car on Route 17 as rain turned to slush in New York state. god's warning sign? =) well, about my comments, all i can offer is, like Special Ed once said, "Think About It" and if you dont care about my comments, sorry for filling your mailbox. bye, Poseur Kreig From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 12:05:15 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 15:04:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [spain-drugs] Designer drugs fuel spanish ``bacalao'' route (fwd) Status: Hey Folks, Yet another "darker side" article that's come across about "raving & drugs", this time about Spain... Grant > DESIGNER DRUGS FUEL SPANISH ``BACALAO'' ROUTE > > By Tracey Ober > MADRID, Spain (Reuter) - Every Friday night, the highway > from Madrid to Valencia, known as the 'bacalao route,' is jammed > with youngsters out for adventure. > They party continuously until early Monday morning, then > make the 220-mile journey home, exhausted, but their > determination to have a good time undiminished. > Every big city has its own version of ``bacalao', a word > once associated with a Spanish fish dish but lately linked with > the mind-numbing music played at discos. > The government is slowly realizing that the 'rave' parties > of Britain and the United States have arrived in Spain. To > combat the problem this summer, the civil guard erected > roadblocks outside the popular 'bacalao' sites. > Most 'bacalao' discotheques are on the outskirts of cities, > accessible only by car. Parking lots are almost as popular as > the discos and cars are a haven for sex and drugs. > Spain's toxology institute estimates that 58.4 percent of > car accidents last year were directly related to drugs or > alcohol and most involved young people. > Designer drugs such as XTC, pronounced ecstasy, are just > catching on in the frenetic night life of the Spanish teenager, > their popularity fueled by peer pressure. > The pulsating theme song of the ``bacalao' route proclaims > ``Exta si, exta no' -- a reference to the drug. > ``At first I was scared to try ``X', but then everyone was > saying how easy it was,'' said Javier, a 21-year-old student in > Madrid. He and some friends shared a tablet one Friday night and > found that life seemed much more glamorous. > ``I was like another person, I was sexy and funny,'' Javier > says. ``The girls wanted to dance with me.'' > He takes it when he can afford it -- street value is $38 a > pill -- or takes ``speed' (amphetamines) or inhales the legal > vasodilator known as 'rush' in the United States and 'poper' in > Spain. > Police seized 45,000 XTC pills last year, twice what they > found in 1991. In August, they dismantled a synthetic drug > factory producing 500 pills an hour. > Large amounts of cocaine are still seized, as well as > Spain's most widely used drug, heroin, but its use is waning. > ``In certain sectors, I'm talking about young people, > ecstasy use is definitely increasing,'' says Francisco Ramon of > the government's National Drug Plan. > ``Heroin has a very bad image now, partly because of AIDS. > It's considered the drug of outsiders, not like cocaine, which > is fashionable among establishment people.'' > Cocaine use is still common in the poshest of Madrid's > discos. But the 'old guard' would find it hard to keep up with > the 16- to 25-year-olds of the 'bacalao' route. > Offspring of Spain's boom years, they have an apparent > disregard for money and binge for days at a time. A typical > weekend costs can cost up to $750 for gasoline, drugs and > alcohol. > Even though Spain's economy has faltered, parents still seem > prepared to hand out money so their children can enjoy life in a > way they never could. > ``I had to work when I was young and I was always poor,'' > says Amparo, a Seville mother of six. ``My kids know a different > world.'' She does not know what they do with the money, but > gives them freedom as long as she does not see signs of abuse. > When the money runs low, the teen-agers either share drugs > or split one pill into fragments, a tendency that can lead to > dealing. > ``It's wild every night here,'' said one Valencian. He works > as a bartender and sells XTC and speed to friends on the side. > He is 28 but looks 20 years older and wonders what else he > can do. ``I'm exhausted, but with this kind of dough, how can I > stop?'' > ``There is a social climate of total permissiveness for > drugs and alcohol,'' said Lino Salas of Proyecto Hombre (Project > Man). > He said teen-agers start drinking as young as 12 and > progress to hashish a year later. They start taking pharmacy and > designer drugs at 16, followed by cocaine and heroin at 17. > ``It's like living a nightmare, but it's my world, I can't > stop now,'' Javier said. > REUTER > > From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 12:06:53 1993 From: kzimmerman@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 15:06:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Jamiroquai Status: hey acidjazzhedz JAMIROQUAI is playing in New York this Thursday, the 4th at Giant Step in New York... thats at the Supper Club 240 W 47th. (twixt B'way and 8th) number is 212-714-8001 just in case anyone cares peace, Kreig (ultratrendy poseur) From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 12:39:18 1993 From: brendan mcdougall Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 16:38:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [spain-drugs] Designer drugs fuel spanish ``bacalao'' route (fwd) Status: God, that is a scary article. Imagine $38 per hit of X!!! From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 13:00:05 1993 From: jcarow@MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 15:59:47 EST Subject: BOSTON AFX/ORBITAL/MOBY HOOKUP LIST Status: How about meeting after Vapourspace at the entrance to the Paradise? They'll probably be the first act.... Does this sound okay? I'll be wearing a grey Eightball Records T-shirt, white jeans and a blue and red St. Louis Cardinals cap..... The list looks like.... jcarow@mit.edu Casper detlev@mit.edu Duane trellos@mit.edu Trevor bag@mit.edu John wanger@mit.edu Dave soundz@mit.edu Jimmy Hat jshiple@mit.edu John stasiks@woods.uml.edu Stefan djm@bedford.progress.com Dave jenberry@acs.bu.edu Jenberry kumquat@acs.bu.edu Sprocket (possibly) jetta@molly.wellesley.edu Jetta ol@cs.brandeis.edu Oz ? Donato p.s. Dave, I don't think the show is sold out...this is Boston remember. Casper From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 13:36:35 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (nate goldbaum) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 16:36:04 -0500 Subject: Casper Status: well folks, here's my long-overdue review of Casper. What can i say that hasn't been said already. It was FANTASTIC! I had been so stressed out all week about school and this is exactly what I needed. I drove from Albany to Providence with my friend, jigsaw (an NE-raves lurker =) and a couple of people I had never met before (a girl named Lisa and a guy named Soren). One of the best parts was meeting these people, who turned out to be very cool. We also caravaned with a couple of other cars, 10 people in all. We got into the Palladium at about 10pm and were dismayed to find no music. But we stuck around and, at about 11:15, the music started up. What can I say, I got into the groove right away. When my friends and I exited the Palladium to hit the rides, I asked someone what time it was: 12:30. I was about to kick myself! I had the feeling some people would be around the ride, but I had no idea what to look for. I don't have an NE-Raves badge and I don't know what they look like (I'll definitely have to get one; info?). I walked around the ride with my friends, saying loudly (but not too loudly) "I can't believe I missed them! Aaaargh!" But I knew before the rave that I'd probably space it (I do remember putting that in one of my posts). After reading all the reviews (esp. the part [included in _everyone's_ review] about how great it was that they got to see so many NE-Ravers) I'm on the verge of tears. :< Especially when I found out that Svet was there (I'm so sorry! Mere ASCII symbols cannot express my sorrow, oh woe is me.:< We'll have to meet when I go back to Chi for turkey day. :-) Well, enough about that. Even though it was so upsetting to miss you all, I was determined not to let it ruin the rave. And what a fantastic one it was! Despite the rain and cold (almost because of it), the rides were fun. And Lisa kept making the same comment y'all did about how spooky it was to see this nearly empty amusement park with ravers on it riding the rides at night in the wind and rain. Yes, surreal is probably a more appropriate word. Then we went over to the mausoleum (or was it The Crypt? whichever was not the Palladium). I thought that it was the coolest of the places. I danced over near the Melon Dezign screen. That was great! :> I was so excited when I saw the NE-Raves thing on there and realized that it was Jake's. I tried to ask around to see if I could maybe find the group, but it was hopeless. :( I only saw that screen and the one in the Palladium (near the back) and I thought that Jake's was superior. It wasn't as "decidedly computer-generated" (if you get what I'm talking about?). Besides, I thought the bunny-fellatio thing was a bit inappropriate (color me prude :). We hung out by the screen for quite a while. I was the short, black-haired jewish guy, Jigsaw was the chinese guy with blonde hair who kinda bugged-out and rolled around on the floor. (He was ok, just a goof =) Anyway, there was this woman there (which I thought was rather strange) who looked like an aerobics instructor. She was dancing very Crystal Lite (my apologies if this was any of you, it just struck my as kinda hilarious ;> ). We were in the Crypt(?) for about two hours (actually, as you can tell, I don't have a very good sense of time, esp. at raves) then we went over to the Palladium and danced for a _long_ time. I was with my friends, by the speakers near the bathrooms and towards the back of the hall. My friend, Soren, was one of those three guys who were dancing in the circle (he was the black guy) and I was standing around watching. Usually, I hate those little dance circles, but I actually found it pretty cool. After a while, my back was just killing me from dancing for so long. So I lay down for about an hour and then ride said she was ready to go home. I felt like it was still pretty early, but when we walked outside, it was broad daylight. Jig looked at his watch and it said 8:30 (though we had forgotten to set it back an hour). We were all shocked that time had gone by so fast. We then drove straight home (three hours and I was _not_ psyched for my share of it). And when I finally got home at about 12:30 in the afternoon, I crashed until the next morning. What a night. God, I needed that. Anyway, sorry about the wordiness, but it was quite a night. Hopefully, I can actually meet you all next time =) peace nate -- nate goldbaum goldbn@rpi.edu =============================================================================== if mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-ee cummings who would be born must first destroy a world. --hermann hesse i don't want the world, i just want your half. --they might be giants ========================================================================= From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 13:37:23 1993 From: Jeremy F Brooke Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 16:36:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Potocol and Haloween Excursions Status: Hi all...I'm not sure of the protocol of posting here and calling ones self an NE-Raver (as I am new to this InterNet hookup), but I have decided to jump in and post and see what kind of feedback I get. I would first like to thank Lunatik and Inhuman for letting me come with them this weekend to Casper and Buzz, becuase I've been dying to get out to some kind of event since I arrived here in Pittsburgh two months ago and had know idea what was going on. I think I've settled in a little better here thanks to them. Also, "Hi" to everyone that I met at Casper or didn't meet...I tend to be a little shy when I'm out of my normal frame of people. (I was the guy in the striped hat lening up against the wall next to Lunatik, falling asleep). Everyone made me feel welcome in a scene that is sometimes too dominated with attitude for a newcomer to come in. Thank you...I had one of the best times I have had in a long time. And hearing Inhuman's explination of how to operate in a traffic circle made the entire trip worthwhile...And I quote: "Brian...Do you know how to do a Circle? There are alot of them in DC...You just keep going straight...Pretend it's not there and turn onto the same road..." Exactly. Thanks bunches to everyone.... j. From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 14:07:58 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 17:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Bjork: ride?? Status: Anyone going to see Bjork in NYC on the 9th?? I would *really* appreciate a ride if you're coming my way. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. please. thankyou. thankyou. thankyou. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 15:17:02 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 18:16:46 EST Subject: Potocol and Haloween Excursions (fwd) Status: > > Hi all...I'm not sure of the protocol of posting here and calling ones > self an NE-Raver (as I am new to this InterNet hookup), but I have > decided to jump in and post and see what kind of feedback I get. I you are an NE-raver enuff said? welcome :) under the waves O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 15:18:57 1993 From: djentox@aol.com Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 18:11:23 EST Subject: Entropic- Anyone Going??? Status: Hey all, Is anyone going to Entropic in Boston on Sat.? I may be able to go (not sure, tho) and was wonderin' if anyone would like to meet up with me (and perhaps some of my friends)... Xopterflogg and Blizumblap, djentoxdjentoxdjentoxdjentox@aol.aol.aol.aol.aol.com.com.com.com djentox@aol.com From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 15:49:02 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 18:45:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Maskarave2 Status: > Jenn said we should have been holding a sign that > said "NE-Raves," then I suggested we put such a sign on the wall at future > events and then it could be like a NE-Raver hangout spot and bag drop spot. > This place turned out to be David.Darrow's t-shirt stand this time. At > Timewarp, it can be my "Direct from MARS" stand. > How does that sound? Sounds great.I am glad that I though of it ;) Peace, Jennifer Smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 16:04:06 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 19:01:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Scott Henry & Info Status: On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Alan Michael Parry wrote: > > Wednesday November 17th: The Return of CLOUD 9 > > DJ Wink & Sorted Records (NYC) present the return of CLOUD 9 at Xero: > 613 S 4th St. Philadelphia PA. Make sure that you call before you drive all that way...I travelled an hour and a half like the third or fourth week that it was to be open and it shut down with out any notice.... Jennifer Smeddy From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 16:29:33 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 19:26:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: photos needed Status: well it is time for the zoom newsletter to be finished up.... if anyone would be interested in sending any photographs that they have taken or will take in the next 3 months please write me and we will figure out how i can get ahold of the photos... [oh i can not see images that are at the ftp site only text...this is due to silly guys in the lab using the one computer that can bring up images to look at naked women while others needed the computer for class. So now no one can use it :( ] thanks jennifer smeddy ZooM From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 16:40:30 1993 From: JOSEPH P. BAGDONAS Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 18:39 CDT Subject: re:white man's disease Status: I enjoyed the "white man's disease" post because it did touch on an important dichotomy: the house tradition, which comes from the African-American community, and the techno tradition, which now, at least, has the largest representation in the Anglo-Saxon culture. My first event was thrown by the Black Student Union here in Madison, Wi in 87. A Chicago DJ spun house and a lot of acid house to an almost all-African American crowd. There was no alcohol and great vibe, probably the latter due to the shared political/social perspective of most of the attendees. Anyway, I remember watching the dancing and noting how my normal style didn't fit in, as I was used to New Wave (Dieter's Dance Party!!). But, I tried my best, and later in the evening, an African-American woman asked me to dance with her, and later asked me for a date. I was floored, even though I knew my dancing was some of the worst there for that style. But, to this day I recognize the value of the house culture, or what used to be the house culture/nation. The emphasis in house is on freedom, responsiveness to other dancers/intimate dancing, and, amidst the dearth of opportunity offered to the African-American community, a desire to cultivate the art of dancing, to rise above hellish urban existence through style and movement. However, I love techno and hard beats just as much. I realize that dancing style is not the emphasis in techno, as much as house, anyway. Instead, I find the speed an inspiration to life live in a rapid, ambitious mode. Dancing to techno, for me, is more of a celebratory act of technology and the quickness of youth. It's more of a free-for-all, to be sure, but it serves a purpose, too. Thanks for listening, Yusef From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 16:56:11 1993 From: Digital Druid Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 19:53:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: rainy weekend - or our trip to RI for casper Status: I just wanted to drop a line out to my ne-raves family especially since I don't get to hear from you guys too much during school. Without getting over emotional (and I know some of you hate it or don't agree with it), I've got to say that it was really a great experince getting to go up to RI this past weekend to see you all. It's kind of silly, but one of the major draws for me (and I would like too assume some of you) was knowing that I'd see my friends (extended family) even if it was just for a night. That in itself made the whole trip worthwhile. sorry to shelly for all the confusion about rides. Sorry to hear what the promoters did to all the DJs/staff etc.. (argh I missed you damian?!?!?!) Big thanks and hugs to jeff and hwyman and especially mel for making the weekend so great... peaceout- gil --- digital.druid imagine a world... cyberpun@wam.umd.edu where all the information is shared With four...phongraphs, we can compose and perform a quartet for explosive motor, wind, heartbeat, and landslide. --John Cage From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 18:49:20 1993 From: STASIKS%AM.mrgate@woods.uml.edu Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 18:05:04 EST Subject: ARGGG! Stupid mailer on this machine!!! Status: Boston Cyber Tribe..! to all who sent me a response to my post!! mail went DOWN on this machine yesterday afternoon, and I did not get all of your responses until 5 mins ago (too late....) So thanks for the response, and I am SORRY for no response, I thought every one had ignored my post! :/ See you tonight!!! - Stefan Stasik@woods.uml.edu From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 20:57:22 1993 From: Michael J Minnich Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 23:51:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rave-O-Matic (last rev. 11/02/93) Status: =============================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR =============================================================================== Great to see all of you at Casper last weekend! That was a lot of fun. Be sure to come out and see Laura, dieselBoy, and GeoffE on the wheels of steel at the Freight Yard's event this weekend. -i. _______________________________________________________________________________ KEY: * - Semi-regular "rave-like" event held at a club or at the same location each time @ - One-time "rave-like" event held at a club Please send all corrections and submissions to inhuman+@cmu.edu. Also send any NY / NJ area rave info to laura@usl.com so she can share it with the Technopolis list. **PLEASE NOTE: If you reply to this message, BE SURE to edit the headers so that you reply ONLY to me and not to all the groups that I am sending this out to! This is VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT! VRAVE Instructions: telnet sfraves.stanford.edu 7283, login as "new" _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES SUMMARY: 11/02/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Boston, MA - (???) ??? - ???? 11/03/93 - NASA TOUR 93 @ - Montreal - (???) ??? - ???? 11/05/93 - BUZZ * (Jeff Porter) - Washington, DC - (202) 828 - 1944 11/05/93 - MERSCH @ - Long Island, NY - (516) 547 - 6137 11/05/93 - TIME WARP @ - Allentown, PA - (215) 433 - 0503 11/06/93 - ENTROPIC - Boston, MA - (617) 353 - 9804 11/11/93 - FEVER * (Dub Tribe) - Baltimore, MD - (410) 880 - 1166 11/13/93 - GRIN AGAIN - Portland, ME - (207) 773 - 6979 11/13/93 - LITTLE GOOD VIBE - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 1891 11/17/93 - CLOUD 9 @ - Philadelphia, PA - (215) 629 - 0565 11/19/93 - NATURAL HIGH 4 @ - Long Island, NY - (516) 242 - 1773 11/20/93 - POLARIS II - Poughkeepsie, NY - (212) 465 - 3299 11/27/93 - FLESH - Washington, DC - (???) ??? - ???? 11/27/93 - ESSENCE IV - Manhattan, NY - (???) ??? - ???? 12/??/93 - MOBILE GROOVES POSSE 2 - Washington, DC - (???) ??? - ???? 12/04/93 - ALGORITHM 3 - Pittsburgh, PA - (412) 734 - 8432 01/13/94 - GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGH- ??? - (???) ??? - ???? _______________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES IN DETAIL: _______________________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, November 2 BOSTON (???) ??? - ???? NASA TOUR 1993 @ at the Paradise Rock Club _______________________________________________________________________________ Wednesday, November 3 MONTREAL (???) ??? - ???? NASA TOUR 1993 @ at Greenland _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 WASHINGTON, DC (202) 828 - 1944 BUZZ * DJs: Jeff Porter (of Fierce Ruling Diva), DJ Who (Baltimore), Lieven DeGeyndt (Buzz-DC), 333 (Yellow-Boston), M Gee (The Loft - Boston), Keith Miller (Washington DC) _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 LONG ISLAND (516) 547 - 6137 MERSCH @ M E R S C H Envelop your senses in a state of complete ambience. Mersch invites you to the opening of the Lotus Project. Friday November 5th in Caffeine's Warehouse B. Live Ambience by: THE DEEP RED ALSO Featuring Soundscapes navigated by: DJ Heather Heart (Under One Sky) DJ Slave (Vampyre Circus, VooDoo NYC) Info Lines: 212-629-1960 516-547-6137 516-547-7118 Visual Lush and Event Productions: F L U I D Caffeine. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 5 ALLENTOWN, PA (215) 433 - 0503 TIME WARP @ It's official folks, so here it is... UNITY PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS... T I M E W A R P Out of the Stone Age into the Future Friday, November 5, 1993 in celebration of THE FREIGHT YARD's 13 month anniversary Laura(New Jersey/NE-Raves) Goodwill(Delaware) Ikon(Freight Yard-Allentown) geoffE(Freight Yard-Allentown/NE-Raves) Mark M(Allentown) Miko(Freight Yard) dieselboy(Pittsburgh/NE-Raves) WINK(Philly) Guy DMC(Londontown) Trace(Londontown) On-E(NASA, New York) 2 rooms - Room 1=Hardcore, Jungle, Acid/Room 2=House,Progressive, Trance Giveaways by: Instinct Records - New York Moonshine Music - Los Angeles Lucky Spin Records - London Sorted/Nervous Records - New York DMC - New York/London Smart Bar by DNA - Intelligent Lighting - Lasers by Pawn FOR INFO. CALL 215.433.0503 DOORS OPEN 9:45p.m. MUSIC from 10pm - 7am All tickets at the door $10 before 11p.m./$15 after 11p.m. geoffE ---The Freight Yard 3rd and Hamilton St. Allentown, PA--- _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 6 BOSTON (617) 353 - 9804 ENTROPIC We hare at SLUDJ are pleased to present: ENTROPIC Pure Premium NOT from Concentrate NET 5000 FL. WATTS with Musical Marauders Dale Charles, Boston Beat Tau, MoodFood Sprockett, Abyss:New York Mood, The Loft:Boston M GEE, The Loft:Boston Dag, United Kingdom & others as yet unconfirmed This is a two part event. Part 1 -- 9:30 pm, Back Bay, Boston...a 2,000 sq.ft. space completely legal and FDA approved ;) Part 2 -- 12:00midnight, shuttle busses run all participants to second location in South Boston...a 10,000sq.ft.arena to worship the Techno and House Gods. Admission = $3.00 for part one $5.00 for part two admission to part one gets free shuttle to part two. (part two will go until sunrise) *UNCONFIRMED* Smart Bar by Zoom of Allentown of Pennsylvania Visuals and Graphics by the same that did ELEVATION Up To Date Info @ (617) 353-9804 (617) 352-6939 kumquat@acs.bu.edu Brought to you by Boston Beat Records, SLUDJ, MoodFood, and MEANDHER Saturday, 11.6.93 _______________________________________________________________________________ Thursday, November 11 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 880 - 1166 FEVER * DUB TRIBE (performing live from San Francisco) [what does that mean??] DJs: Guy DMC, Debo, Scott Henry, Frankie Hartung _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PORTLAND, ME (207) 773 - 6979 GRIN AGAIN KC & the sunrise gang & pandemonium! dare you to.... GRIN AGAIN Satruday November 13th 9pm til sunrise and beyond Portland, Maine ambasador mayhem bob bentley overload (providence) (the loft) (london) (zootz) dale charles sameer ed fritz scott richmond (evar) (li) (the basement) (net poughkeepsie) jersey john 333/m-gee luc raymond wink (voyager) (primary) (montreal) (sorted records) smile to the Future Beat Enormous Warehouse Location Multi Mega-Watt Sound System 20 Watt Multi Color Laser Systems Intelliget Lighting, Robo Scans Tiger Scans & Data Flash Video Walls & Projections Film Loops & Slides After Hours Party with Breakfast Buffet No alcohol, ROAR, $15.00 at door only _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 13 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 1891 LITTLE GOOD VIBE funk & HOUSEcore saturday november 13th vibe line: 734 - 1891 call for location seven to enter PEACE dj's providing the groove wayne miller * jedi mind trip * side 2 * finger * joe steel * the love drum circle * you _______________________________________________________________________________ Wednesday, November 17 PHILADELPHIA, PA (215) 629 - 0565 CLOUD 9 @ Wednesday November 17th: The Return of CLOUD 9 DJ Wink & Sorted Records (NYC) present the return of CLOUD 9 at Xero: 613 S 4th St. Philadelphia PA. Come groove to DJS: Scott Henry (DC) King Britt (PA) Josh Wink (PA) Oddessy (PA) All Ages : All Night. Doors at 10pm. $6. INFO 215.629.0565 A "lets rebuild the scene" production _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, November 19 LONG ISLAND, NY (516) 242 - 1773 NATURAL HIGH 4 @ (212) 631 - 4290 This is the 4th in a series of 4 all night parties 10pm Friday Nov 19 till 10am Saturday DJs: ~~~ Micro (Caffeine) Scott Henry (Baltimore) Sameer (Caffeine) Jason Jinx (Long Island) Armand (Strictly Rhythm) Guy DMC (DMC Records) Reade (Novamute Records) Troposphere (DMC Records) Denard (NYC) Bob Bentley (England) Osheen (Rhode Island) DNA (Caffeine) Nigel (Philly) Dave Trance (Caffeine) PROMO ~~~~~ Kort & Greg, Mello, Trepp, Eddie Van Raven, Scooter, Alan Sanctuary, Energizer Rabbit, Jeff H., Slipshod Rob, Chris Stiles, Toast, Rad Brad, Sam I Am, Dustin (Boston), E-Force (NJ) 24 HOUR INFO LINES LIE: Exit 52S (Commack Rd) at Grand Blvd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (corner 7-11) make left 1/2 mile on right. Long Island NYC SOUTHERN STATE: Exit 39N (Rt. 231) to 516-242-1773 212-631-4290 Commack Rd. 1 mile make right onto Grand 516-547-6129 212-696-8938 Blvd. (corner 7-11) 516-547-7118 212-631-1033 PENN STATION: Ron Kon Koma Branch to Deer 516-724-1136 Park leaving at 10:14, 11:14, 12:15, 1:14, 2:46, 5:14. Free shuttle from train. $10 W/ PASS * $12 W/OUT * NO GUEST LIST * 18 & OVER * PROPER ID REQUIRED GET SET---> NEW YEARS EVE PT II, 48 HOUR MARATHON _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 20 POUGHKEEPSIE, NY (212) 465 - 3299 POLARIS II (914) 463 - 9350 On November 20th POLARIS POLARIS II will once again Shine Bright Scott Henry (DC) For information Jason Jinx (NASA) regarding Buses Mr Kleen (FUSION) from far off lands call your local Jimmy Crash (BROOKLYN) Organizers Rob Sherwood (CLEVELAND) Zoom 215-683-1240 Bob Bently (UK) Ramsy 315-655-9446 x310 Dale Charles (BOSTON) 518-465-6381 Big Dipper Scott Richmond (FUSION) United Techno 203-646-6381 Overload (MAINE) call info line for info on buses Ryde (LONG ISLAND) from your area Listen to WDST For information on Trains from 100.1 & 96.9 Sat 12-3 NYC to Poughkeepsie call 212-532-4900 (Metro North) Located on route 9, free shuttle from station to event Poughkeepsie, NY 100% Legal Admission is $13 before midnight $15 after LIGHTS = ACME _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 27 WASHINGTON, DC (???) ??? - ???? FLESH a wonderful event that hits the DC area on NOVEMBER 27 bringing the true spirit and vibe back to our capital DJs so far... dieselBoy -- DarkBreakCore MF James Christian -- Throbbing Acid Trance plus much much more this is just to let you know what is coming..more info to soon be released. guranteed to be a live party. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, November 27 MANHATTAN (???) ??? - ???? ESSENCE IV: THE REBIRTH Guest DJs: Garth & Richie Hawtin _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, December 4 PITTSBURGH (412) 734 - 8432 ALGORITHM 3 Adam X & Lenny McBride (Groove Records, Under One Sky, NYC) Presented by Millenium _______________________________________________________________________________ Mid December WASHINGTON, DC (???) ??? - ???? MOBILE GROOVES POSSE 2 More details to follow on DC's subterranean rebirth _______________________________________________________________________________ Thursday, January 13 USA (???) ??? - ???? through Sunday, January 16 GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGHTS Galactic Overlord Productions & Base Pair Sound System Bring you A Boschian excursion of Worldly and Celestial pleasures THE GARDEN OF EARTHLY DELIGHTS JAN 13-16, 1994 more info to come.... _______________________________________________________________________________ [and this tidbit from Mars (mhv0@Lehigh.EDU):] For 24-hour, up-to-date rave info, you can now call the ZooM LinE at: (215) 998 - 9650 (Allentown/Philly) (800) 374 - 4434 x20051 (Beyond) [are these numbers still up to date...? -email me] _______________________________________________________________________________ ***EOF*** From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu (Prince of Darkness) Subject: DC RAVE COMING UP.... Date: 27 Oct 93 05:22:25 GMT this just in... --------------- FLESH a wonderful event that hits the DC area on NOVEMBER 27 bringing the true spirit and vibe back to our capital DJs so far... dieselBoy -- DarkBreakCore MF James Christian -- Throbbing Acid Trance plus much much more this is just to let you know what is coming..more info to soon be released. guranteed to be a live party. --------------- job done, dB -- darknessKru -- --------------------------------------+ . . you have now entered the darkside . . . +------------------------------------damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 17:14:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Scott Henry & Info To: ne-raves Glad you all enjoyed Scott Henry, just curious though - had you ever seen him before? 'cos he consistently turns out great sets and in the 10+ times I've seen him, he's never been bad. Heres another oppurtunity: _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) --- Michael Minnich inhuman+@cmu.edu "free-thinker and sociopath" From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 21:52:03 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 21:05:00 -0500 Subject: RAVERS<"NONRAVERS",and CO Status: On 10-30-93, MATTHEW HUPERT wrote to ne-raves@techno.Stanford.EDU: MH> Excuse me while I vent- I am so sick of phrases like "o there were MH> too many mnon-ravers there- I thought the whole idea of this thing MH> was the creation of new communities, an extension of the mind MH> expansion, dance and trance that has been on the planet for 1000,000 MH> ... If I've ever heard any "raver" say that, it wasn't becase they were picking on that "non-raver's" taste in clothing, music, food, or species sexual preference. It was because they were either rude, snobby, or disruptive--all the things most nightclub attendees are known for. I agree fully with the definition of your argument (an expanding, welcome scene rooted in prehistoric vibes) being a relative newcomer to the scene myself, I just thought I would mention what I think the definition of "non-raver" is. Hey, I could be wrong, but I think more "ravers" think inclusively than exclusively. d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 21:55:06 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 21:05:00 -0500 Subject: hearing damage.. Status: On 11-01-93, ALAN MICHAEL PARRY wrote to ne-raves@techno.Stanford.EDU: AMP> Ok, after a night with afx, this becomes a serious question. Just AMP> what are the realities of hearing damage? Right now, I have that AMP> constant buzzing tone in my ears that I usually come away with AMP> after seeing a concert or PA of any kind, and I *know* thats not How long does the sound last? Do you hear a high-pitched tone (noticable in quiet places easily) that doesn't ever go away? If not, it is unlikely that you have any permanent damage. Continuous exposure to high-decibel sounds (industrial, concert and airport workers are most affected) can cause permanent damage. but giving your ears a good long rest (a few days to a week) after each exposure can help greatly. AMP> good. I usually am okay after a rave unless the sound is especially AMP> loud but PA's such as last night and the Orb last weekend both left AMP> me buzzing. I tried wearing earplugs once but it just muffled the AMP> sound to the point that I just took the out again. Is there Try a selection of earplugs offering different levels of attenuation; sometimes -10db is enough to take it down into the safe level. Industrial/airport noises are *much* higher than the average concert level. Also, put the plugs in BEFORE the music starts and you won't notice how much the treble is affected, unless you take them out to see, its a perception thing. AMP> something I can do to protect myself without losing all those AMP> high-end tweeks and dampening everything? just how serious is this AMP> problem amongst us? Hearing protection is a SERIOUS issue with anyone associated with ANY kind of music, from classical to SpeedCoreThrashGrunge. Everyone knows Pete Townsend's reward for performing in the loudest concert of all time was PERMANENT HEARING LOSS. Anyone who doubts the seriousness of this should try to find the letters Beethoven wrote about his mind-crushing sadness his hearing loss imprisoned him to. At Maskarave 2, I had a vendor stand at the perfect location, sound wise, I could be heard w/o shouting if I leaned close to people ears (otherwise I had to raise my voice a lot), the ringing in my ears stopped within 2 hours and this was w/o plugs. It was pretty loud in front of the stage, but only next to the stacks was it at all uncomfortable. Without really paying attention (I was selling stuff) I noticed several people with hearing protection. I would venture to say that most promoters (I met scotto, he was a very nice guy) care about thier attendees hearing. The sound dudes difficult goal of providing a clear, loud, safe acoustic environment is possible if corners are not cut. I believe that the most dangerous environments (music wise) to hearing are cheap little clubs with shitty sound and cheap walkmans. bring the noise, and keep it! d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 22:02:00 1993 From: FRC93FAH11@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1993 01:01:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: ne-raves-request@ Status: Hello all you lovely people. well I have a questio since im basically unfamiliar with internet; I would like to know how to pull the main menu I guess the request line. So I can see who else is out there. Some have already talked back. Hopefully you understand. Thanks to all. casper was working. oh yeah. peace and love to all frank-e From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 22:38:33 1993 From: snovik@students.wisc.edu (SVETLANA NOVIK) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 00:39:57 -0600 Subject: From Madison to Casper and Back (and still smiling) Status: Hey you guys! Just writing to say hi to all the ne-ravers I met this weekend at Casper. I still can't believe we (Boris, Joseph, and I) roadtripped through D.C. (Buzz) and into Rhode Island! The trip was certainly memorable: besides the pure "euphoria" of driving 20 hours straight to get back to Madison, it was also my first East Coast rave. Definately an experience! I danced and danced and danced... Music was good, vibe was great, even the smokey rain added to the atmosphere. Also wanted to say that it was great meeting a bunch of you...even though most didn't know who the hell I was (I don't lurk--I'm just new :) !). Thanks beaucoup for those who let us crash at their place ( Mike, Husome). Hopefully, I'll get to meet more of you guys soon (missed nate and bruce :( )-- Maybe some of you guys want to visit Madison or Milwaukee :)? Teehee. Toodles, Svet. From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 23:14:24 1993 From: jerry marvin haws Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 02:14:14 -0500 Subject: a big hithere & hopes to meet the NE crew someday soon... Status: Hi, kids... I've been lurking on MW & SE now for a while & just at the end of the summer started to make the East Coast parties... Had a great time despite the Raveland fiasco and LOVED Ultraworld's Go Wild... Hooked up with d3 & Rach there & we've corresponded ever since. Anyway... I travel under the auspices of selling t-shirts & stuff but mostly just to pay the expenses of getting from LEXINGTON, KENTUCKY to places with jammin' events... If there's something big coming up around the Thanksgiving break I'd love to hook up with Friendly Folks & meet yet more netravers- until then, David is running my stand in the northeast. Just thought I'd introduce myself foist... cya.... jsquared = jj * footers are for kids * From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 23:26:51 1993 From: jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu (Vanessa Wang) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 2:26:42 EST Subject: orbital/afx/moby Status: i just got back from the o/a/m show at the paradise in boston (went with donato, saw oz, becca, ben (her bro'), john shiple, jughead, julian, dweign...). all i can say is, orbital definitely showed _why_ live performances are so amazing. i don't know their names (who is who, i mean), but the bald dude (no glasses) was funny as hell, and the two together just created this happy vibe--i looked around a couple of times and those of us who were paying attention were just smiling the whole time. no space between songs, and that incredible orbital vibe was definitely surging through the crowd. aphex came on next, but i took a peek into the chillout room where vapour space was set up, doing an ambient performance with candlelight and burning incense. it was beautiful--at one point one of them played this interesting sequence that sounded a lot like that track you always start your set with (laura)--but the performers just were so peaceful. the only complaint i had with them and with the main performances was the volume (it was very loud). so aphex came on next. i've never seen richard james + dancer friend perform before. he just sort of sat behind his little computer while the dancer danced. lots of breaks between songs, and it felt like he was just pressing a button that said "play," but i got into quite a few tracks, esp. the harder ones. mostly stuff i hadn't heard before, but i'm not an aphex connossieur. moby was last. we left during his set. during "go," as a matter of fact (was he trying to tell us something maybe?). i tried not to have too much of an opinion of him before going to the show tonight, but he was really....rap-y, pop-y, shamen-y, 2unlimited-y. not that this was bad or good, but it definitely did not mesh with the rest of the show (but was a crowdpleaser). dj tim played some amazing stuff. i have no idea what genre or whatever, but it was *amazing*. overall, orbital was the highlight. for future shows, if you are going, definitely check out vapour space. wfs (and thanks to donato for the ride!) :) jetta. From ne-raves-owner Tue Nov 2 23:55:38 1993 From: david.darrow@pics.com (David Darrow) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 00:16:00 -0500 Subject: respex Status: On 11-02-93, QARHP01!KZIMMERMAN%WILLET wrote to DAVID DARROW: Q> next a thumbs down (sorry not a dis) to that guy who said raves are a Q> biochemical transfer or all that shit. =) sorry mate, not trying to No sweat, man! Q> be harsh, but i like to dance only because im a stupid dipshit who Q> only intellectualizes after having too much to drink or smoke. Q> (heavy...) Hey! Whats wrong with that? That's how the beatnik movment started! BTW, you never said why you call yourself a posuer. d3 `-{> --- This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being mutilated. ---- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pics OnLine MultiUser System 609/753-2540 HST 609/753-2605 (V32bis) | | Massive File Collection - Over 45,000 Files OnLine - 250 Newsgroups | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 05:29:20 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 08:24:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: ROM Addition...Hypnosis Status: On Tue, 2 Nov 1993, Christopher wrote: > There's also an event here in Charlottesville that promises to be fun. I > don't have all the details...it's called Wiggle2 (Wiggle1 was a few weeks > ago)...it is in the back stage area of the Movie Palace on the downtown > mall...it's only $5 to get in...it's a Cyber Production (the people who > brought you Vitamin C and Krusty's)....the dj line up is: Todd Krulak, Dave > Javate, DeCay, a guy named Phil, and a guy named Adam. The music will range > from House to Tribal to Breakbeat to Progressive House....it should be really > fun and the vibe should be pretty good...if any one needs more details or > crash space e-mail me.... I talked to Duncan (who is the promoter for this party) when I saw him at Insomnia. I beleive that he was trying to cultivate a Charlottesville crowd with his Wiggle party. Now, he was careful to say that out of state people were invited, but he made it very clear that he is hoping to cut down on the number of people who are coming down from DC and NC and other areas and cultivate a homegrown crowd for the Charlottsville parties. At least that was his intention when I talked to him. I don't want to discourage people from travelling to his event, but you may want to think about his intentions before deciding to go. Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 06:53:39 1993 From: "Golden Boy" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 09:51:43 CST Subject: Appropriate and Inappropriate topix Status: hello kidz...goldenboy here...I've been on a few lists for a while on and off. What i don't understand is people complaining about articles that they feel are inappropriate for the "rave" lists. I mean, i do understand, but why duplicate what they would call inappropriate activity, by posting a article to the list that, according to thier definition, shouldn't be there. certainly the address of the person that posted the article is included with the article. Some people say its as easy as a kill file or simply deleteting the one (as far as i know i only get one copy of each post, unless it's posted to mutliple lists) post. It's my understanding that the person who determines what is valid and what is invalid on lists is the list-admin. I could say, if you dont like the diversity of the posts, then unsub. But thats rather elitest. what i do want to say is that sometimes the list is just a way to ask for friends advice, or tell a few friends whats going on...or just talk a little shit. i'm not advocating mindless babble on the net, but i'm not condemning occasional posts that don't focus "directly" on a rave, or the price of xtc. if you're a "raver" or you go to raves and listen to techno, so what if you post something a tad away from the mainstream of conversation. you're still a raver aren't you ? and this is a part of your life isn't it, hence theorhetically, its rave related. i read a lot of things about a man named mal (sfraves) that i have never met. and to me (in cleveland) that isn't rave related. yet, i was concerned for him because he's a raver and a human. so i sent him a ne-raves sticker and card. and from what i hear, he'z getting better everyday, yay mal ! :) these lists have become so much more than a forum for strictly rave related topix. many people have developed legit relationships on the lists. i've been going through some rough times and some of the people on the net have been there for me, if not in person, then virtually (vrave :) and i'm very very thankful for that. and too rap this up...i'm not flaming anyone, just saying don't be so quick to jump on someone, for something so trivial. i recieve tons of mail, and i just use the old 'F6' key and whack the stuff i don't want to read. no sweat. no hassle. no loss. besides, if you're at work, you shouldn't be reading rave related stuff anyway :) or so my boss says *looks over shoulder to make sure boss isn't around* :) peace to the net. *steps down off of milk crate*...i don't think they make soapboxes anymore :) *applies flame retardant gel #OZ472* +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ goldenboy "Forget your name" "Just close your eyes" "Go insane" From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 06:55:27 1993 From: Handi-boy Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 9:55:22 EST Subject: orbital/afx/moby Status: ...and my hat (lazy hemp leaf with peace sign) was more than happy to be signed by both Paul and Phil Hartnoll... They are seriously some of the coolest guys I have met (esp. Paul). -John From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 08:56:13 1993 From: LUKEY@WordPerfect.com Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1993 09:54:21 -0700 Subject: hearing damage.. -Reply Status: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about thier attendees hearing. The sound dudes difficult goal of providing a clear, loud, safe acoustic environment is possible if corners are not cut. I believe that the most dangerous environments (music wise) to hearing are cheap little clubs with shitty sound and cheap walkmans. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< My friends run a club here in Salt Lake City called Playscool, and they have a massive sound system, but I am really appreciative of the fact that they give away free earplugs at the smart bar, just so people won't have to worry about that kind of hearing damage. We should encourage more promoters and clubs to do this, because they can buy cases of the cheap styrofoam earplugs for really cheap. I think my friends actually ended up paying like a penny a piece when they bought a case of hundreds. From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 09:02:03 1993 From: scovic@rpi.edu (Chad K. Scoville) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:01:54 -0500 Subject: Where they happenin Status: Dear Sir: I attend a northeastern engineering institiution and desire some info regarding raves in the northeast. Help me. SUB DISCUSS From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 09:08:44 1993 From: Oz Lubling Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:09:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: One Word: Orbital (NASA lands in BOSTON) Status: WOW WOW WOW! I'm still trying to contain my excitement. Well, it was the afx/orbital/moby at the paradise in techno capital of the world, BOSTON . Let me not waste any time. First, DJ Tim from the Utah Saints was really good. He played everything from acid trance to hard trance to acid. He spun some amazing rekkids, like the new sabres of paradise. There were delays in the show, but finally 9:30, ORBITAL took the stage. Now, I know there has been many debates about live techno, but I really don't take what's been said. Orbital were absolutely mind-blowing. They played different versions of some of their hits like chime, etc. The cool part was to watch them getting into their own music and just simply having a fucking good time performing their music. They were like kids in a toy store, twiddling knobs and pressing buttons. Scotto's lighting was awesome. There were about 7-8 full color intellabeams on stage. I don't know what Scotto was doing but he just created the most amazing lighting effects to go with orbital's layered sound. there was a very happy vibe going. I'm not sure how long their set was, but I believe it was more than an hour. VERY BIG SMILES Well, I went back to give phil and paul from orbital an ne-raves sticker and some other stuff. they were really inquisitive and were wondering what ne-raves was, etc. I proceed to talk with phil, the bald brother, the older one. We chatted about so many different things, for more than an hour I believe. I told him about ne-raves and he seemed very interested and told me that they were trying to get involved in that kind of stuff. I told him about the demon service in london, which is sort of like netcom here in the states and also about the ukdance mailing list. We talked about Megadog, which is the concept of the travelling club that orbital is sometimes part of. Phil said that they were interested in bringing it over here, but the Dog people were not confident enough to do it. that's why they decided to go on this tour. Apparently, orbital did accept to tour with moby but were not that excited about it. I don't think they appreciate him very much. Paul also told some of us how he went crazy in the record store down the street for the venue and was buying all these record soundtracks. It's a shame that they had to leave today and head to montreal because I would have taken them on a tour of the media-lab at mit, to give them a little mindphuq. Well, phil was so nice I couldn't believe it. Then he asked me if I would like to get some promos or something. and of course I said yes. Next thing I know, the man comes back with 2 full length cd's from this new label Planet Dog, the full length Orbital 2 album on vinyl, this other 12 from Planet Dog, and a long sleeve orbital shirt. I couldn't fucking believe it...WOWOWOWOWWOWOWOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWWOWOW! thanks phil for all the wonderful stuff. oz p.s. Orbital will be performing at MegaDog in the Brixton Academy on New Years Eve From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 09:38:28 1993 From: Alan Michael Parry Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: October Megadog Review (fwd) Status: thought you might like to see what Megadog is all about.... _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ (/ \\ brit@bach.udel.edu \) flu'id (floo'-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 16:17:03 GMT From: Stephen Hebditch Subject: October Megadog Review Well this was definitely the best one I've been to so far, even though the Sabres of Paradise sadly decided not to show. :-( For those who've yet to experience a Megadog, they take place most months at The Rocket in London's Holloway Road. This is actually the old main hall of the University of North London, renamed and refitted around 3 years ago and with a couple of student union style bars to the side. Because of The Rocket's position it was one of the first venues in London to be allowed to hold regular all-nighters back in the days when the West End went on to 3.30 max. Megadog very much follows in the tradition of the early raves. A mixed young crowd who come for the music and to dance, not to dress up, pose, get drunk and try to get laid like the clubs in the centre of town seem to have become once more. For your tenner on the door you get 4 live bands, assorted deejays and an excellent light show, with an alternate music choice in the back bar. Stunning value for money. We got in just as Zavuya were taking to the stage. Okay but not particularly exciting - crusties playing ambient / techno and an obvious cross-over from the ordinary Club Dogs which lean more in that direction. Michael Dog then came on with his usual crap deejaying. It really is about time someone took him aside and gave him a few lessons in mixing. Still early in the night though and he played a few good (if not especially new) tunes. Going along at the tail end of a cold resulted in an unexpected side effect. Every time I got hit in the face by a bright spot the sudden change in light made me want to sneeze. :-) However, I can definitely recommend standing right in front of a speaker stack as an ideal way to clear your nasal passages. Fluke were up next and shifted things up a notch. I've always been a Fluke fan so I may be just a little bit biased, but I thought their set was *superb*. I'd put them second only to Orbital as a live techno act. Jon Fugler was centre stage doing vocals and keyboards, with Mike Bryant and Michael Tournier behind their keyboards to the left and right of him and Julian Nugent (I assume) on congas and percussion behind. They ran through most of the more up-tempo side of the new album: Groovy Feeling, Love Letters, Electric Guitar, Life Support and Slid (err, something like that anyway - think I've missed one) and then encored with Philly which got a great response from the crowd. Seemed to be a fair amount of live input rather than purely running on sequencers, with some of the songs extended and pushed out in new directions. I loved it, though I thought the set was far too short. I also seemed to be the only one singing along... They're appearing at the Feet First indie club at Camden Palace next Tuesday if anyone else feels inclined to check them out. With Mr Moody DJ and his posse not turning up ("contractual problems" I think it was) the Drum Club substituted instead, which meant we also got some first class deejaying from Charlie Hall. He and Lol did a good live set: no nonsense heavy rhythms for the floor while they skulk in a corner of the stage. Some tracks off the album and a couple of new ones thrown in too. I didn't think they got quite such a good response as when I saw them in the summer, but then they were a late addition. Darren Emerson was next on the decks, expertly weaving together a load of top new tunes. Underworld's 'Mmm, skyscraper I love you' was the cue for the rest of the band to take to the stage and start jamming along live to the record. They're a strange trio, most unlike any conventional dance or rock act. Karl Hyde seemed to be playing the rock star - guitars seem to have this strange effect on people. Rick Smith was providing the backbone to the set, spending much of his time crouched down beneath his keyboards to fiddle with sequencers and effects. He was assisted by Darren, who was also making forays back to the decks to mix in bits of vinyl. The new album Dub No Bass With My Head On Man (now delayed until January apparently) formed the basis of their set, but stretched out into a longer jam and made more dancefloor friendly. A mixture of Karl's tortured vocals from the indie side of the music spectrum merging into heavy repetitive beats. At a couple of points they left the stage completely, just letting the sequencers do the work. Good stuff but it dragged a bit in places - and this was one of their shorter sets apparently. Left to their own devices they've been known to go on for hours and hours. And so off back up the A1 to bed, with a bonus of a mildly amusing encounter with the police just before we set off. Can't take my brother anywhere... Oh, and if anyone's interested, the normal Club Dog this week has a bonfire night all-nighter in an ambient dub vein. Higher Intelligence Agency, APL, Poisoned Electric Head and Pat Orchard performing live. Sir George Robey, Finsbury Park, 7 quid on the door. -- Stephen Hebditch TQM Communications steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 10:01:10 1993 From: jcarow@MIT.EDU Date: Wed, 03 Nov 93 13:00:49 EST Subject: orbital/moby/aphex twin: boston Status: Some comments about the orbital/moby/aphex twin show last night... I went with Dweign and 3 other friends and met a bunch of other ne-ravers...jetta, john shiple, jenberry, donato, and oz of course who spent the whole time duting Aphex Twin's show talking to Paul (or was it Phil) Hartnoll of Orbital. I got in a few words and got my picture taken by Paul and his autograph. What a nice guy, he hooked Oz up with a t-shirt and a 12" of the Orbital II album. I'll let Oz post about what they talked about. When we got there, Tim fromthe Utah Saints was mixing some crazy phat shit....wow. Anyways, on with the show...Orbital was first and the best musically and best to dance to. Their glasses witht he little lights at the sides were cool. In addition, the lighting ws just amazing. I was upset that they didn't play Belfast or Halcyon...but oh well. More DJ Tim. Aphex Twin sucked. Sorry for those Aphex Twin fans out there, but watching some guy move all around _trying_ to dance while Richard James sits there behind a little computer off in the back corner isn't that fun to watch. Plus, he wasn't playing his best stuff, I hadn't heard any of it before..plus it was hard to dance to. We wandered over to the ambient room and got some water and just hung out...all the while Moby and Paul are walking around..it was during Aphex Twin's show that we met Paul. More DJ Tim. Then Moby came on. 2 words. MASSIVE ENERGY. His whole performance was so energentic and got the crowd MOVING..dancing really hard. I was going nuts out there. The highlights were "Go", "Next is the E", and "Thousand". Jetta, y'all shouldn't have left so soon! Moby made us "Move". What was up with the rapping and the guitar in the first couple of songs though? All I can say is I woke up this morning singing..."You know you make me feel, so good, so good." Casper From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 11:25:59 1993 From: Kenny Eng Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 14:24:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: gravity Status: GRAVITY opening night event friday nov. 5th doors open at 10:00 pm SONIC NAVIGATORS james christian (primal) tiga (dna montreal) soul slinger (liquid sky) nigel richards (horizon philly) richie rich (b.u.g.) anthony acid (limelight) tour guides: astro earle, james tea, chloe & chanel boarding crew: aphrodite, wendy, reuben sandwich visuals: tweek& zeolite, eno-one, e-force stimulation: virtual reality - synchro energize mind machines, giant screen sega video games, cyber dancers, orbitron, interactive video walls, computer expos, fresh fruit & snack bar, smart bar, concessions experience the phunky feel of RENAISSANCE in the Metropolis Lounge Above the main dance floor LALALANDIA Omni-Sensorial Lounge also in the Topiary Lounge Cyber Art exhibit by Diego Networking: Liquid Sky, E-Force, Homegrown, Atomic, Sunshine Flagg, Dexter, Outland Prod., Alan Sanctuary, Lord Michael, Nie Raves (sp!!!!), Mind Candy, X-Factor, Joey Maffei, George-E, Mental Unity Global Communications: 212.807.7850 212.696.8938 212.343.0532 514.854.6446 transportation montreal dna 514.854.6446 Balt./Nj e-force 201.295.1925 philly horizon 215.922.3405 dexter 215.972.7023 visit the new liquid sky designed store @ 241 Lafayette Street Limelight 20th st & 6th avenue, NYC, 18 & over w.id $10 with this invite, $15 without returning to the underground From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 11:26:29 1993 From: Kenny Eng Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 14:25:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: gravity Status: GRAVITY opening night event friday nov. 5th doors open at 10:00 pm SONIC NAVIGATORS james christian (primal) tiga (dna montreal) soul slinger (liquid sky) nigel richards (horizon philly) richie rich (b.u.g.) anthony acid (limelight) tour guides: astro earle, james tea, chloe & chanel boarding crew: aphrodite, wendy, reuben sandwich visuals: tweek& zeolite, eno-one, e-force stimulation: virtual reality - synchro energize mind machines, giant screen sega video games, cyber dancers, orbitron, interactive video walls, computer expos, fresh fruit & snack bar, smart bar, concessions experience the phunky feel of RENAISSANCE in the Metropolis Lounge Above the main dance floor LALALANDIA Omni-Sensorial Lounge also in the Topiary Lounge Cyber Art exhibit by Diego Networking: Liquid Sky, E-Force, Homegrown, Atomic, Sunshine Flagg, Dexter, Outland Prod., Alan Sanctuary, Lord Michael, Nie Raves (sp!!!!), Mind Candy, X-Factor, Joey Maffei, George-E, Mental Unity Global Communications: 212.807.7850 212.696.8938 212.343.0532 514.854.6446 transportation montreal dna 514.854.6446 Balt./Nj e-force 201.295.1925 philly horizon 215.922.3405 dexter 215.972.7023 visit the new liquid sky designed store @ 241 Lafayette Street Limelight 20th st & 6th avenue, NYC, 18 & over w.id $10 with this invite, $15 without returning to the underground From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 14:00:51 1993 From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 14:57:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: XDZebra Review #38 Status: Ok, yes, I'm backlogged. I'm trying to catch up, please be patient. The amount of material I've been receiving recently has almost tripled. XDZebra Review #38 Addiction 266 Delmar Ct. Salt Lake City, UT 84101-1817 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational: angst@psych.colorado.edu Back issues are available from me by mail or by ftp'ing to techno.stanford.edu. They're in the pub/raves/music/reviews directory. XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #38 Contents: C-Tank: Nightmares Are Reality Jeff Mills: Waveform Transmission Vol. 1 Wakin' Up A Dead Planet - Hardnoize Cross Europe Coordinate 01 The Inner Works 1+2 Only Double CD - Limited Edition X-103: Atlantis Fast 4 Motion EP The Kosmik Kommando: Universal Indicator Yellow The Caustic Window: Joyrex J9 EP [45] Jesus Jones: Zeroes & Ones C-Tank: Nightmares Are Reality Overdrive: CD OVER 030-2 1 180 07:02 Nightmares Are Reality 2 180 04:32 Air Bounce 3 160 06:00 House Hallucination 4 175 05:47 Holomania 5 190 03:40 The Rave Zone 6 172 05:43 Tank Trap 7 179 04:42 Monotonic 8 200 05:11 Biolunch 9 164 04:51 Drugtrash 10 180 04:37 Lost and Intellect 11 180 04:00 Mutation Step 12 170 06:36 Walk on Base (Remix) Comments: In listening to C-Tank one gets the sense that the only form of structure is a rotation of instruments through rhythm patterns. Certainly sheer speed is a virtue here, but when either a headache or sleep is induced from listening to it, the hardcore label becomes a farce. C-Tank can produce some good tracks, I enjoy "Holomania" and "Walk on Base", but the majority of this album smells of filler. Summary: 6/10. Hard and fast, but at the same time unsatisfying. Jeff Mills: Waveform Transmission Vol. 1 Tresor/Axis: CD11 1 149 04:47 Phase 4 2 140 05:27 Jerical 3 137 04:52 Changes of Live 4 145 05:56 Berlin 5 154 04:21 The Hacker 6 140 04:47 Late Night 7 136 04:09 DNA 8 136 04:49 Man-Like Comments: Jeff makes hardcore that evolves and progresses over the length of the entire track. Sometime this is subtle as in "Man-Like", or it knocks your head off as in "The Hacker". The opener, "Phase 4" is especially crushing and sounds monstrous on a big sound system. The only track I really don't appreciate is "Changes of Live" which takes a house piano riff and tries to bend it into something hard. It doesn't work, and begins to sound terrible after the first 30 seconds. Summary: 8/10. Better than average, with a lot of intelligence thrown in. Sort of a short album at 40 minutes, but only one bum track. Wakin' Up A Dead Planet - Hardnoize Cross Europe Monotone: MONO-020 1 142 04:50 Force Mass Motion 2 160 04:03 Tribes of the Moon: Type C. 3 147 04:52 Cyclo-S9: Cry 4 182 04:14 The Speedfreak: Cos It's Hard 5 153 05:12 Illuminatae: Tremora Del Terra (Rmx) 6 148 04:31 Cyberchrist: Somebody Kill That Mutherfuckin' Pig! 7 144 05:23 Jammin' Unit: Low Density 8 139 04:49 Walker: Elevator To Hell 9 182 04:34 Harlot: Elastische Sozialsysteme 10 140 03:57 Atom Heart: X.X.X. 11 180 04:32 Search & Destroy: Reach the Sky 12 167 04:44 Vinyl Countdown: Paroles (Remix) 13 147 05:32 Cybersonic: Jackhammer 14 143 04:41 Djungle Fever: Volume 001 15 157 04:42 Planet Love: 3 Times A Lady 16 155 03:10 Atmo Shinzo: Infrared Comments: This is a surprisingly good hardcore compilation, distinguished of course, by the pair of excellent tracks by Atom Heart, "X.X.X." and "Infrared". Most tracks have been edited down, but for the most part, what is missing is just repetition of what has already been played. "Type C." and the Harlot track are excellent breakbeat, "3 Times A Lady" is very cool spaceycore, and tracks like "Low Density", "Elevator To Hell", and the entry by Speedfreak test the limits of noise, distortion, and hardcore rhythm. There are a few dogs, "Reach the Sky" is terrible chipmunk, although "Tremora del Terra" is actually the best chipmunk I've heard. In addition, Cyberchrist pulls out all stops to give us a real stinker. Summary: 8/10. Actually a higher hit rate than other non-label hardcore comps I've purchased recently. Yet this is still an arena for hardcore fans only. Coordinate 01 Dossier: DCD 9044 1 138 03:33 Blackland: 1^3 2 130 04:37 Sect: Neuronatics 3 129 06:03 Intermix: Phase One 4 129 04:59 MC^2: Superconductivity 5 130 05:13 Sect: Andromeda Storm 6 139 06:38 Philth: Sub-Aqua 7 115 06:39 Mr. Fist: Lucifer Song 8 122 03:42 Digital White Noise: Demoralize 9 135 04:42 Ithakrash: You Will Fry 10 138 05:28 a Duck: Phenethylamine Backwash 11 146 04:19 X.Drone: Sub-Lunar 12 151 04:15 Tensor: Get Him 13 134 08:21 Downtime: I Want You (To Kill) 14 145 06:13 DV8R: Sounwave Comments: Imagine what it would be like if everyone took inspiration from the first Intermix album. Imagine if this came together on a compilation that was produced with crystal clear production. Imagine no more, for Coordinate 01 is a brilliant result of the production talents of Mike Balch and Bill Leeb. I was expecting something more along the lines of classic industrial, but what I found was sounds that rival the best of the electronic dance groups today. "Sub-Aqua" is the prime track on here, a truly stunning trance piece that rises from the depth of night into the light of day. "Phenethylamine Backwash" is breakbeat like only Dwayne Goettel of Skinny Puppy could give us, the Altern8 samples will probably enrage the rave critics even more. "Sub-Lunar" reminisces of Swamp Terrorists with a speed guitar over fast beats. The initial track by Blackland and "Superconductivity" by MC^2 is up to date cybermaterial without cyberpretentiousness. Summary: 9/10. Supremely delicious compilation. Give us further Coordinates DRT! The Inner Works 1+2 Only Double CD - Limited Edition Overdrive: OVER LE 1 CD 1: 1 130 05:33 2 126 04:54 3 123 05:11 4 123 04:19 5 138 05:32 6 130 05:26 7 141 05:48 8 134 05:16 9 140 05:23 10 144 05:40 11 138 05:40 12 136 04:19 13 138 04:47 14 122 04:39 CD 2: 1 144 06:13 Microbots: Microillusions 2 144 05:00 C-Tank: Walk on Base 3 145 04:52 Tracid Posse: Vivarium 4 130 06:33 Jim Clarke: Qualification (Round 4) 5 151 04:08 Syncroflash A/B: Motorbike Raiders of the Lost Dead 6 143 05:27 Cell-U-Loid: Midnight, Tonight 7 136 03:54 Psycho Drums: Pattern 6 8 157 05:35 Mark N-R-G: Bless to Kill 9 154 04:28 Syncroflash A/B: Request 10 126 05:40 Nino and Atomic Robo Kid: Low Technology 11 150 07:02 C-Tank: Narcotize 12 130 04:08 Sound to Light: Clean Condition 13 166 05:19 Clone I.D.: Beyond 160 14 150 03:38 Turntable Hoschis: Peace Comments: Apologies for the lack of a track listing on the first disc. This release came without any listings, and I had the "Inner Works 2" around, so I copied that. Frankly, it isn't too much to worry about though. These two compilations have about a 1/3 hit rate, the rest is droning drek. If it came down to which comp to purchase, I'd recommend the second, it seems to be a bit more fleshed out. However, both of them are way under the premium hardcore. Summary: 4/10. Boring attempts spotted with interesting successes. X-103: Atlantis Axis/Tresor: 12 1 01:22 Introduction 2 134 03:52 Atlantis (The Entrance) 3 01:31 Interlude A 4 135 04:18 The Gardens 5 145 04:05 Acropolis 6 133 04:42 Hagia Triada 7 01:08 Seduction of Europa 8 139 04:57 Temple of Poseidon 9 110 06:36 Minnia (The Queen's Theme) 10 146 01:11 Eruption 11 00:55 Interlude B 12 141 02:07 Tephra 13 134 03:30 10,000 Chariots 14 140 03:45 Curse of God 15 04:28 Thera 16 139 03:04 Magma (Technology) Comments: "Atlantis" is much easier to digest than the last X-102 album, "Rings of Saturn", but it also gives further understanding as to what is trying to be accomplished here. High on structure, low on content, these albums are a soundtrack for the imagination. Some tracks would work on a dance floor, but most are just there to listen to. X-103 is more hardcore than anything else, even though there are a few nice ambient tracks thrown in, especially "Thera". The rest is a prime example of analog work with a large experimental flavor to the piece as a whole. Summary: 8/10. More mature than previous X-10 work. A bit of ambience, but largely on a hardcore sound. Fast 4 Motion EP Overdrive: LC 6695 Side A: 1 165 100 Meter Final 2 169 Practiceroom Side B: [45] 1 151 Hardcore Baseline Comments: So I suppose this is my first taste of "Darkness" and although "100 Meter Final" is fairly slick, "Practiceroom" sounds like speedy breakbeat diddling on a tape. "Hardcore Baseline" throws the breakbeat for a return to Force Mass Motion or Prodigy styled hardcore. Listening to "Baseline" all the way through could be a painful experience, which is probably why they've laid the breaks out neatly on the record, it makes for better mixing. Summary: 4/10. Ho hum. I'm sure there's better stuff available in this genre, but the B-side takes the value way down. The Kosmik Kommando: Universal Indicator Yellow Rephlex: MC 202 Yellow Side: [45] 1 141 2 Sign Side: 1 140 2 137 3 141 Comments: Kosmik Kommando pulls off acid from the depths of distortion on the "Yellow Side". The first track is severely noisy, but not really hardcore in an odd way. However, with the following noisefest that defies description with track two, I started to wonder if KK was going for the techno equivalent of smashing his guitar. Probably the noisiest electronics to hit my turntables yet. "Sign Side" sounds quited different, still acidic, but more like Atom Heart's work. Summary: 7/10. Noiselicious and very original one side, but rather standard on the B-side. The Caustic Window: Joyrex J9 EP [45] Rephlex: CAT 009 ii Paper Side: 1 152 2 159 Black Side: 1 150 2 136 Comments: At first it took me a while to determine the correct speed this should be played at. In reality, it sounds good on 33 as well, slow and crushing with a dub sort of effect. However, the samples used point to the fact that this is indeed a 45. Joyrex J9 represents more of a tubey hollow sound for Richard James. Although track 1 on the "Paper Side" is bitterly acidic and hard, track 2 is almost ambient. To emphasize this, it is recorded at an obnoxiously lower level as well. On the "Black Side" is an tribal acid track that emphasizes the previously mentioned "hollowness". Finally, the closer is a reuse of the "We are the music makers" sample, but to better effect than "Ambient Works 85-92". Summary: 8/10. Better than average release for the multitalented Richard James. Plus some free "Magic Gum"! How can you lose? Jesus Jones: Zeroes & Ones EMI UK: 12FOOD44 Side A: 1 145 Zeroes & Ones (The Prodigy Versus Jesus Jones Mix) 2 120 Zeroes & Ones (Central Nervous System Mix) 3 120 Zeroes & Ones Side B: 1 140 Zeroes & Ones (Aphex Twin Reconstruction #1 Mix) 2 140 Zeroes & Ones (Aphex Twin Reconstruction #2 Mix) Comments: Gripping my intestines and bracing for the worst, I threw down the Jesus Jones record and started it spinning. Hmmm, sounds like Prodigy with a Jesus Jones sample. Then it sounds like Jesus Jones with more guitars. Finally, just JesusJones. Turning it over, I found Aphex Twin with a Jesus Jones sample locked up, smashed down, and thrown into an ambient dungeon. Richard James shoots and scores again. This reminds me a lot of the Curve and St. Etienne remixes, little snippet of the original thrown over unique rhythms and sound. I can only imagine what Aphex thought of the original piece. Summary: 5/10. One side is good. The other side is expected. From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 15:00:29 1993 From: Daniel J Nadeau Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 17:53:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Howdy, y'all Status: Hey. None of you folks know who I am. That is the purpose of this message. I'm in the stix at UNH and just recently subscribed to ne-raves to feel once again connected with real life. (Did that sound dorky?) I just wanted to introduce myself. Talk to y'all soon. Or maybe see you folks at ENTROPIC. Peace and harmony, Dan "Has anybody seen Sam Lowry?" From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 17:55:29 1993 From: cyfetish@weird.miami.fl.us (Victor Marrero) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 21:45:01 EST Subject: Artificial Intelligence Status: Artificial Intelligence November 27, 1993 Miami Marine Stadium DjS: Derrick May CJ Bolland Krypto DJ Three Visuals: Factory Visuals Pure trance.... National Info Lines: 1-800-730-1103 Turn on. Tune in. Trance out! oOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo cyfetish@weird.miami.fl.us | Black Light And A Strobe Promotions -Smile! Its The Apocalypse! | Underground Records OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 18:52:24 1993 From: spiffy@MIT.EDU Date: Wed, 03 Nov 93 21:52:11 EST Subject: Re: Howdy, y'all Status: > Hey. None of you folks know who I am. > That is the purpose of this message. > I'm in the stix at UNH and just recently subscribed to > ne-raves to feel once again connected with real life. > (Did that sound dorky?) > I just wanted to introduce myself. > Talk to y'all soon. Or maybe see you folks at ENTROPIC. > > Peace and harmony, > Dan Welcome! I read ne-raves (and ran up a huge phone bill) while I was at NMH on the border of new hampshire and vermont in the hick^H^H^H^Hscenic pioneer valley. It kept me fantasizing about a rave scene in Northfield, MA, population 1,000. But I'm in boston, now, and really psyched for the rave this weekend. (My first rave... joy!) Anyone else here planning to go? Later, +Jonas From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 19:19:54 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 22:17:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Scott Henry & Info (fwd) Status: this is funny little message from my friend rita...she went with me to Zero the first time they supposedly had wink spinning... this is why i wrote that post about calling before venturing to philly... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- jenn, just saw your post on our little expedition to xero... what a mini-nightmare that night turned out to be!! i just hope its more successful this time, maybe they'll actually let wink spin now. -rita From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 21:08:38 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 00:08:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [health-coffee] Coffee may protect against suicide: u.s. study (fwd) Status: Hey Folks, For all you Coffee and soda drinkers out there looking for a ( possible ) medical justification for your "habbit", read on... Grant P.S. For the rest of us who don't care, it's interesting anyhow :) ---- > COFFEE MAY PROTECT AGAINST SUICIDE: U.S. STUDY > > LONDON (Reuter) - A U.S. research doctor has said that > coffee could protect people against suicide and depression, a > scientific journal said Friday. > A 10-year follow-up study of 128,000 patients in a medical > care program found that the chance of suicide fell as people > drank more coffee. Tea had a similar, though weaker effect. > Arthur Klatsky, head of a research team at the Department of > Medicine at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program in > California, suggested in the journal Annals of Epidemiology that > coffee acts as an antidepressant. > But he advised doctors not to prescribe coffee, tea or pure > caffeine for depression before trials on patients had been > carried out. > A Norwegian study involving 38,564 men and women and > published in the British Medical Journal in 1990 found that > heavy coffee drinking was significantly related to death from > heart disease. > The link between more coffee and lower suicide rates was the > strongest of all the links Klatsky's team found in its study of > coffee and causes of death. > Coffee drinkers were also found less likely to die of > cirrhosis of the liver. > While the study found that the chance of suicide dropped > with increased coffee intake, it found no difference between > death rates for people who drank coffee and those who did not. > REUTER > > From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 21:31:47 1993 From: HITMAN Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 00:30 EDT Subject: Test post Status: blah! From ne-raves-owner Wed Nov 3 21:59:39 1993 From: HITMAN Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 00:58 EDT Subject: Guatemala - El Salvador techno lovers Status: Hi All, Just got back from a trip to Central America. Just though you'd like to know that Techno is getting big down there. Although it's mostly the top 40 stuff...I did hear some trance while in a club called Bau Haus.... later BA From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 03:36:03 1993 From: winsomered@aol.com Date: Thu, 04 Nov 93 05:49:56 EST Subject: Halloween at the Troc Status: Hello ! (warning! I get a bit wordy here! :) Robert and I went to the NASA tour thing in Philly at the Troc on Halloween..........the recording said doors open at 9PM, we got there at 9:30 and they had just opened.. they were letting only ticketholders in at first, even if you had tickets waiting at the booth...oh well....oh yeah, tickets were 13.50, the recording that day said 15.00, but when we got to the booth a sign was up--16.00!!! They just shrugged when asked about this. Wink was spinning first, and, I'll 'fess up,.... was able to trance out, givin it all up early to his set ....yessssss, very nice indeed :) @11PM Vaporspace went on, I liked them-a harder Orbital feeling, yet kinda raw..hmmm, After them DJ Tim of the Utah Saints went on (the Troc only has 1 room) an OK set.......12MN Orbital came on, ans as was said before,very good, but got a bit uninspired toward the end of quite a long set......so we headed out to the lobby (picked up a cool Orbital shirt, I couldn't resist it: black ((my color of choice as some of you know :)) with a lovely silvery hologram...alas, it was supposed to be XL, but is only L)....anyway, we bumped into Boy Prince Albert!!!! Stephen is doing well, and looks great! and sends good wishes and hellos to everyone !! We also saw Fran, but missed Fluid somehow (Oh Yeah! I guess That's who I thought was Richard James..Hee Hee!)....oh yeah, BPA snagged one of those tapes! Boo Hoo :( Right After! Orbital came the Aphex Twin!! YaY! At the Troc, I love to feel the sound upstairs in the balcony, right smack dab in the middle of all the seats....so does my friend Michelle (she DJ's at Zadar in New Hope and sometimes at City Gardens in Trenton)- but this , how shall we say, misguided perhaps? dude, insisted she show a picture ID because he didn't beleive she was 25! He said she looked 15 (she does) and even the booking agent for the joint couldn't help disuade this j---... (yeah, they served liquor , that's why the thing ended at 3AM, Philly Blue Laws)..... anyways, I digress--While Michelle swayed wit the groove in the center of the dance floor (which she reports as -WOW-) I rocked the balcony ..........the Philly reaction to RJ was interesting, many also thought the dancer was the AFX Twin, and a lot of people actually left (as I was :) to have more room to go crazy in the balcony, it also made me :( that they didn't ear it wit 'an open mind) I LOVED IT!!!! And, a nice long set, Yummy Delicious! Then came Moby, maybe someday he'll surprise me. Last year when Moby was at the same venue, the floor and the place itself was packed and crazed....a wonderful Vibe.....this time...lots of room on the dancefloor, and the vibe, while we had a really good time, was kinda strained....the show definatly felt 'rushed through' and I beleive suffered beacuse of it, or you may say, was kinda nice (beacause it was) in spite of it....and it was Halloween--a big nite out in Philly! So, as things cooled down, some of us set off down Race Street in Chinatown for eggrolls and wonton soup, MMMMMMmmmmmmm Good! Rob and I will be at the Freightyard this Friday nite....see some of you there!! Linda 'gotta dance' Leigh From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 04:32:23 1993 From: Robert Campanell Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 04:32:18 -0800 Subject: Rave article in Financial Times Status: POUNDING SOUND OF CASH by Rachel Johnson Financial Times, Weekend October 30/31, 1993 Clouds of smoke from dry ice parted to reveal Lisa, aged 16, on a concrete block, clad in hot-pants and platform boots, jerking her body to the beat that pumped from the sound system. Her eyes were shut and in one hand she held a small bottle of Evian mineral water. It was 4am at the Ministry of Sound, the south London night club, and the Friday night rave had only just got going. A decade ago, Lisa might have been sipping lager at a friend's house, or more probably at that hour tucked up in bed. But increasing numbers of her generation are spending their time and money in a new wave of clubs - of which the cavernous Ministry of Sound run by James Palumbo, son of property-developer Lord Palumbo is a thriving example. The club has a no-alcohol, no-drugs, no-weapons policy, enforced by hulking bouncers. The attraction is the rave culture of all- night dancing in a sweaty intimate atmosphere induced by the stimulant Ecstasy which is taken by many dancers before they arrive, or secretively when there. It is about seven years since rave -which combines hedonistic Mediterranean discos and the electronic dance music of 1970s New York and Detroit - seized the imagination of Britain's 15 to 24 year olds. But it is only this week that its economic impact - in particular on the nation's pubs and off-licenses - has been qualified. According to estimates from the Henly Centre, the research institute, young people make 1m visits to raves each week. Each time they spend as much as £35 and stay up to 24 hours. The annual spending at raves is estimated at between £1.5bn and £2bn - five times more than total UK spending on cinema admissions, and equivalent to a quarter of spending on spirits. In addition, up to a third of those at a rave will have taken drugs such as Ecstasy - at about £15 a tab - speed (amphetamine) or cocaine. The biggest losers have been pubs, where visits by young people fell 11 percent between 1987 and 1991. The are forecast by the Henley Centre to fall a further 20 percent by 1997. The trend will hardly thrill Britain's publicans. But there is reason for them and other traditional leisure venues, to relax a little. Rave has been a fast-changing culture in its short life, and today's fads may look outdated in a year. Among the cognoscenti, the original concept of a rave is already old-fashioned. Asif Noorani, a 21 year old who writes about popular culture for the Modern Review magazine, says young people are rejecting the large, expensive raves that mushroomed in the late 1980s to seek a cheaper rave experience in clubs. "Rave" suggest hordes of 16-year-olds with bottles of Vicks' VapoRub [which is inhaled to clear the head before taking Ecstasy]. The first ravers were people lived for Ecstasy, and didn't understand the music" he says. Until about 1989, rave centered on events in open fields in the West Midlands, for example, or on an "orbital rave" around the M25. Organisers of such raves had no license to sell tickets; they took advantage of a legal loophole and claimed the gatherings were parties - and passed around a bucket for contributions. It was all about thousands of people taking as many drugs as possible, listening to hardcore music. It was illegal and there fore a kick," says Matthew Butcher, 16 a pupil at Pimlico comprehensive. But pressure from the government and residents, the police cracked down on raves organised without local council permission. A number of entrepreneurs then tried to fill the gap in the market by organising licensed, mass-attendance raves costing £25 a head. These offered "interactive" alcohol-free entertainment, combining attractions such as laser shows, funfairs and trampolines with soft drinks and powerful sound systems. A sell-out crowd could generate an income of £400,000 a rave, excluding merchandise sales. But the scene has changed again - partly because the profitability of organised large-scale raves did not last. Fantazia, one of the few surviving promoters, is organising a "dance party" to raise money for the Terence Higgins Aids charity in Glasgow next month. It is charging £25 a ticket but need 12,000 to break even. It expects to spend more than £300,000 on organising the event: security alone will cost £40,000. Though the large-scale rave has probably peaked, experts agree with the Henley Centre that the culture is more that a passing fad. In the eyes of the young people, the new night clubs that offer a rave experience and that are replacing the large scale events, have more of a buzz than pubs. Matt Paice, 21, a London student, enjoys a drink. But to him an average night out means "kids sitting at home having a puff on a joint and then going to a club." Many young women, according to Lifeline, the Manchester drugs advisory agency, go to dance parties because its more burning off calories there than at the gym. Women also find the atmosphere induced by Ecstasy - the so-called "hug drug" because it triggers empathetic emotions - less threatening than the alcohol-induced aggression of pubs. "Unlike punk or grunge, raves are not a cult but rather a new leisure activity enjoyed by different types of young consumers." the Henley Centre concludes. To combat the threat, pubs could offer themselves as rave venues. But the attraction of clubs such as the Ministry of Sound is that they do not open until Midnight - and ravers want to escape the staid conventions of a night at the local. It seems decibels and mineral water will be the scene for years to come. From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 06:55:19 1993 From: mhv@eagle.hr.att.com (Marshal Villarosa) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 09:54:30 EST Subject: Re: Timewarp Friday Status: Cybertribe: This Friday from 10pm to 7am is "Timewarp" in Allentown, PA. The infoline number is (215)433-0503. NE-Raves own Laura, Mars, GeoffE, and Diesel Boy (whom I am soooo sorry for not mentioning before) will be in the mix. The others spinning are Goodwill, Josh Wink, Guy DMC, Trace, On-E, Oddessy, and Miko. I was going to set up a stand and sell clothes, but it is still questionable as to whether I'll have things ready in time. Who's going out this Friday? I had posted this at the beginning of the week and gotten the following responses so far: > ************************************************************************** > Name Place of Departure > ************************************************************************** > Mars Toms River, NJ (Jersey shore) > Jenn Smeddy Kutztown, PA (Kutztown University) > Laura Hoboken, NJ > WillE NYC (back from the UK) > Grant Boston, MA (leaving for OZ soon) > Phil NYC > boyPrinceAlbert Philly (needs a ride) > Yusef Midwest > diesel boy Pittsburg > china Pittsburg > Fran Orig. from Philly, now in Delaware > You where you're from > ************************************************************************** E-mail me at: a176@lehigh.edu if your're going... Peace kids, Mars From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 07:26:21 1993 From: "goldenboy" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 10:24:16 CST Subject: Re: East and West Status: Vitamin B Sayz: >> California is NOT MECCA. > ^^^^^^^^^^ CLEVELAND, OHIO IS !!!! if this place isn't heaven on earth, then my name isn't Elvis !!! be careful...it's e-z to take thingz personally on the net...when it isn't meant to be or shouldn't be. so excuse me whilst i go gaze out the window upon the outstanding weather that cleveland has to offer...35 degreez and cloudy...i think cleveland and cockroaches would be the only things left standing after a nuclear war...reassuring, ehh :) hell...i'm just happy to be alive... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ goldenboy "Forget your name" "Just close your eyes" "Go insane" From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 08:41:31 1993 From: gsc1@Lehigh.EDU (geoffE) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1993 11:34:29 EST Subject: TIMEWARPING Status: Hello fellow brothers and sisters, I can't but feel happy today for some strange reason. Although I have two tests this afternoon I had to take time out to write this. Anyone who needs directions to Friday night's event you can call the hotline at 215.433.0503. It gives directions from all points north, south, west and east!!! Big respect going out to Wink who I talked to on Sunday in Philly(by the way, I went to both the event in New York and the one in Philly-New York was a little better but I thought Orbital's set in Philly ripped) and who will be spinning two hours in room two, 'Bliss.' Also repect to Laura who called me right after she got home from San Francisco and dieselboy for that interesting story about Casper. I cannot wait to meet all of you who are on the net since it is so interesting to put the face with the letters and digits. Finally, big respect to Mars who has helped promo this thing a lot!!! I can guarantee that it will be crowded(800 to 1,000) and for those of you who have never been here it is an old warehouse converted capable of holding 600 in the front room and 400 in the back room. The cool thing is the two rooms are connected quite conveniently to add to your fun. So for those who have been here before, don't think of it as the Freight Yard for an evening, but as Timewarp!!! Respect to the masses, geoffE P.S.-All NE-Ravers, look for the geek with glasses and short brown hair who plays jungle. I'm on first in the front room. Peace out!!! From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 08:58:15 1993 From: "goldenboy" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 11:56:13 CST Subject: Timewarp Status: hey...i've never posted to the net for a ride...but i don't want to attempt to drive my car 8 hours...it already has 117k on it...but i would drive to say pittsburgh or something if i could mooch a ride form there...i really want to go to timewarp and see everyone...i've got cash, so that isnt a problem...if anyone could hook me up, i'll hook them up...thanx... peace... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ goldenboy "Forget your name" "Just close your eyes" "Go insane" From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 11:52:12 1993 From: "Daniel R. Philpott" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 14:49:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: Yet another new pager number. Status: Hey everyone, I have been having a real hastle with my last pager number so I got it changed and this one is working like a charm. Hopefully nothing new will mess with me and this one will be permanent. Also, sorry to post this to the lists but it is the quickest way to get in touch with all my friends (you are ALL my friends :) ). Okay, here it is folks: 301/701-3202 Dan "Get Angry Stay Hungry Get Mean Stay Lean | Dan Philpott Say What You Mean And Say It Mean | Cogito Ergo Spud You Tell The Truth You Go To The Guillotine | I Think Therefore I Yam You Lose Your Head But Your Conscience Is Clean" | bhilpott@wam.umd.edu From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 13:19:18 1993 From: a176@Lehigh.EDU (D.J.MARS) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1993 15:53:07 EST Subject: FRIDAY Status: > CYBERTRIBE: > > Currently, the list of NE-Ravers at Timewarp on Friday looks like this: > > > ************************************************************************** > > Name Place of Departure > > ************************************************************************** > > Mars Toms River, NJ > > Jenn Smeddy Kutztown, PA > > Laura Hoboken, NJ > > WillE (back from the UK) NY, NY > > Grant (leaving for OZ soon) Boston, MA > > Phil NY, NY > > Yusef Midwest > > DieselBoy Pittsburg, PA > > China Pittsburg, PA > > Fran Delaware > > Fluid Delaware > > Ed (maybe) Highland Park, NJ > > Linda Leigh & Rob Eastern PA > > Shelly (Has room for others) American University, Washington, DC > > e-mail: mh6221a@american.edu or call: (202)885-8099 > > indago Delaware > > Steve ? Pennsylvania > > > > ************************************************************************** > > Rides needed > > ************************************************************************** > > Stephen (BoyPrinceAlbert) Philly > > GoldenBoy Ohio (will drive to Pittsburgh) > > ************************************************************************** > Peace kids, > Mars From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 15:01:36 1993 From: Daniel J Nadeau Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 17:52:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Entropic Status: 'Lo. Well, it's final. I'm heading over to Entropic (unless for some bizarre reason my ride bails out). Anybody else going? If so, e-mail me and/or look for me there. I'm rather tall, and I'll be wearing orange shorts and a black, hooded shirt with bright stripes on the front. I may be with or without glasses (I'm mildly near-sighted, but they have a tendency to fly off when I dance). Oh, yeah--and I've got dark brown hair that's nearly shoulder-length and is usually worn down... especially during the trancey sets. Hope to see some of you there! Peace and harmony, Dan "There are those that say that life is an illusion, and that reality is simply a figment of the imagination." From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 15:24:30 1993 From: 6ANTHONY_M@spcvxa.spc.edu Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1993 18:03:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: TIMEWARP Status: Hey... If anyone from NJ/NYC wants to take me along, I'll take the trip to Timewarp. I hate always begging for rides, but I'm sure your all used to it by now :) the fiend From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 15:53:48 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 18:52:05 EST Subject: ENTROPIC UPDATE Status: ok, sorry all, I know i haven't posted in a while. about ENTROPIC....The first part will be held in a place called the GSU (george Sherman Union) Alley {in the basement}.. this starts at 9:30 and ends at 12:00 midnight. Dj's for part one are as follows: 9:30 - 10:15 Me (Acid Jazz *GALORE*) 10:15 - 11:00 DAG (housey Stuff) 11:00 - 12:00 Dale (whatever he feels like..) *BTW I know I got the suckiest spot, and I've got certain reasons for wanting to go later, but anyway...to anyone who's coming, please come early (like 9:15) if you can, cuz I have a feeling that M Gee is gonna shove me out of any time at Part 2. anyway. as soon as part one ends, there will be designated persons to lead any and all to part two (5? blocks away *NOT in S. Boston*). This will start immediately after part one ends, and continue at two designated map spots from 1:00 until 3:00. then the doors will close for entrance and the part two site. (so we think right now, but we're gonna play that by ear... anyway, to find the map points, call 353-9804 on saturday, or talk to me personally (617) 352-6939....BOTH points are walking distance to part 2, and are T accessible. ok, now for part two...just like any other party we have to be responsible and mature...we were *very* lucky to get what we did. Now, the space for part two is small...so don't expect a warehouse....it's a loft. Anyway...good sound and Vibe will definately compensate. There will be NO smart Bar :( sorry. this is going to all in all be a small, personal party. I encourage anyone and everyone that can make it to come...it'll be great to have a big ne-rave gathering. Ok, part two will go until 8:00am (hopefully :) dj's include (in no order): Tau (deeeeeeep HAUS) M Gee (I dunno) Mood (Progressive house?) Dag (same stuff) Me (hardcore/trance [if i get on]) ok, oops....the cost of part 2 is $5.00 I think that's all......I hope lots of you come (Boston is dead for Ravers on saturday nights.....just think ... good muzik + nice people + little cost = good time ;) sprockett (kumquat@acs.bu.edu) 617.352.6939 From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 15:56:16 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 18:54:37 EST Subject: ENTROPIC HOOKUP Status: ok, im gonna make a list of everybody that's going to ENTROPIC, so... mail me @ kumquat@acs.bu.edu and give me your name, email address, and when you think you'll arrive....and i'll post a list. also, i think we should all meet before hand for some chow & chat.... anyone interested? mail me.... sprockett From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 16:11:41 1993 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 19:06:11 EST Subject: Re: ENTROPIC UPDATE Status: forgot (dum me) to say, the GSU Alley is on commonwealth ave in Back Bay... two stops after Kenmore on the B line (T) outbound.... sprockett From ne-raves-owner Thu Nov 4 19:30:16 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 22:26:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Timewarp Friday Status: Ok i will have a nice BIG sign that says ne-raves/dc-raves on it at the freightyard friday at timewarp, in Allentown, Pa. Hope you all can make it! Peace Jennifer Smeddy From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 03:28:10 1993 From: "G.L. Eden" Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 11:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: the first time.... Status: On Sun, 31 Oct 1993 LEDERJASO@urvax.urich.edu wrote: > just wondering.... > > how did you even get involved into the rave scene, anyway? everyone seems to > have a defining moment, an event that got them into this happy amoebic mass > known as "rave". > > so, how about it? confess! > jason/method one For me the first real buzz track was I guess "The Exorcist" - The Scientist, which was the first 'ravey' type 12" I ever bought, closely followed by 808's Cubik/Olympic. My first actual rave was a spur of the moment thing, a last minute decision to go with some friends. The rave I went to just happened to be one of the best raves of 1990; a 'Creation' at Sheffield City hall, just when WARP and the Sheffield scene was at it's peak. My first impression... Ohmy god the BASS!! I've been addicted ever since. greggy303 3030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303 303 Greg Eden, Physics Department | g.l.eden@ncl.ac.uk 303 303 Herschel Building, University of Newcastle |303 Forever. Long live Acid!303 3030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303030303 From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 08:42:42 1993 From: a176@Lehigh.EDU (D.J.MARS) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1993 11:38:13 EST Subject: Timewarp tonight Status: Cybertribe: See you all tonight at The freight yard for timewarp! Currently, the list of NE-Ravers at Timewarp on Friday looks like this: > ************************************************************************** > Name Place of Departure > ************************************************************************** > Mars Toms River, NJ > Jenn Smeddy Kutztown, PA > Laura Hoboken, NJ > WillE (back from the UK) NY, NY > Grant (leaving for OZ soon) Boston, MA > Phil NY, NY > Yusef Midwest > DieselBoy Pittsburg, PA > China Pittsburg, PA > Fran Delaware > Fluid Delaware > Ed (maybe) Highland Park, NJ > Eileen (maybe) > Linda Leigh & Rob Eastern PA > Shelly (Has room for others) American University, Washington, DC > e-mail: mh6221a@american.edu or call: (202)885-8099 > indago Delaware > Steve ? Pennsylvania > > ************************************************************************** > Rides needed > ************************************************************************** > Stephen (BoyPrinceAlbert) Philly > GoldenBoy Ohio (will drive to Pittsburgh) > Fiend NY/NJ > ************************************************************************** Peace Mars From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 09:49:52 1993 From: Michelle Hall Date: Fri, 05 Nov 93 12:40:54 EST Subject: No subject Status: hello, my name is shelly and i have been on dcraves for awhile. i just recently subscribed to ne-raves in the past week. i go to school here in d.c. but i am originally from Vermont(land of hippies and hicks). i was just wondering if there are any other native Vermonters on ne-raves. last time i went home, not too many people listened to techno, much less travelled to parties. it would be cool to find some kindered, raving souls in my home state. maybe we can get together and share some Ben&Jerry's! mh6221a@american.edu UNITY AND PEACE shell-E From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 09:57:01 1993 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 12:56:22 -0500 Subject: Re: the first time.... Status: my first rave was also spur of the moment...polida had friends visiting... kreig zimmerman was among them and we all went to a local club then one of them decided he wanted to go to bold II in worcester...so we jumped in the car and went...i was kinda quiet and just taking stuff in...but i did meet camper...who i am sorry to say i did not remember...but then we, polida,alison and i decided we wanted to go to another so we went to life later on in worcester and had a great time, were even decked out in bubble necklaces for f free by the people who were there to sell them :) that made us sooo happy then i kept coming...to the local clubs/raves...and last year spring semester was when i really got into it all...stating with a weekend of ultraworld III's brainrave and liquid holiday down in dc and baltimore...then most every weekend i was at some new england rave love and frogs!!! neith From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 09:59:02 1993 From: laura@soda.berkeley.edu (Laura La Gassa) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 09:58:55 -0800 Subject: raving THIEFS Status: Well, it seems that the promoters at Casper weren't the only dishonest people. Sometime in the middle of the night I dropped my credit card and my ATM card. Jake managed to find my ATM card, but not the credit card. I just called my credit card company, and told them what happened, and they told me my card had been used Sunday in Coltsville (Kutzville?) Pennsylvania to buy gas at a Mobil station. So, in essence, someone found my card, didn't try to return it to me, didn't ask around in the area where they found it (it was probably dropped right by Jake's stand, and if they had asked Jake he would have known right away it was mine), and STOLE some of my credit to buy gas. What ASSHOLES. God knows what else they've been trying to buy, as it sometimes takes a few days for charges to show up.. Thank god my card was up close to the limit, or else VISA could have really been screwed by these dorks. There is now a code out that says they will arrest anyone who tries to use my card. I am getting a new card, and will not have to pay any of the charges on the card. (Well, excpet for maybe $50, I can deal with that). I am SOOOOOOO pissed off. What ever happened to peace, love, unity, and respect? Laura From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 10:01:25 1993 From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 13:08:57 EST Subject: Entropic -- glasses for the masses Status: Daniel J Nadeau writes: I may be with or without glasses (I'm mildly near-sighted, but they have a tendency to fly off when I dance). I will tell you what I have for glasses that takes care of this. You can get temples (the two things that hangs your glasses on your ears) that actually wrap around your ears. The ear part is springy. They really keep your glasses from slipping off when you perspire. Taming gravity, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 10:37:08 1993 From: Sjakie Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 13:22:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: raving THIEFS Status: On Fri, 5 Nov 1993, Laura La Gassa wrote: > Well, it seems that the promoters at Casper weren't the only > dishonest people. > > Sometime in the middle of the night I dropped my credit card > and my ATM card. Jake managed to find my ATM card, but not > the credit card. > > I just called my credit card company, and told them what > happened, and they told me my card had been used Sunday > in Coltsville (Kutzville?) Pennsylvania to buy gas at a > Mobil station. > > So, in essence, someone found my card, didn't try to return > it to me, didn't ask around in the area where they found it > (it was probably dropped right by Jake's stand, and if they > had asked Jake he would have known right away it was mine), > and STOLE some of my credit to buy gas. What ASSHOLES. God > knows what else they've been trying to buy, as it sometimes > takes a few days for charges to show up.. Thank god my card > was up close to the limit, or else VISA could have really been > screwed by these dorks. > > There is now a code out that says they will arrest anyone > who tries to use my card. I am getting a new card, and will > not have to pay any of the charges on the card. (Well, > excpet for maybe $50, I can deal with that). > > I am SOOOOOOO pissed off. What ever happened to peace, love, > unity, and respect? > > Laura That is too bad Dave told me about the card TODAY....anyhow the card ended up in his pouch [or bag] that was in front my table [where most NE RAvers left their stuff]... so I guess you either dropped it and it fell on his bag or perhaps you put it in his bag thinking it was yours... Anyhow it is too bad he told me about this TODAY [after almost a week!]...if he would have told me about this on Sunday maybe this wouldnt happen... Good thing it was used just at a gas station, phew... Jake From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 10:47:54 1993 From: dekiyon@mindvox.phantom.com (Sean Kelly) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 93 13:40:49 EST Subject: Timewarp Status: Greetings ne-ravers. On kind of a spur-of-the-moment decision I'm heading down to Timewarp tonight. If anyone needs a ride home (I'm going to be visiting a friend on the way, so a ride down isn't possible - sorry) I'm heading back to north-Jersey when it's over (via 287). I hope someone puts up a sign - I've been a lurker on ne-raves for a while, but I haven't met any of you yet. If you read this before the event, I'll be wearing a wierd blue t-shirt and probably a magic mushroom pendant. I'm about 6' tall and have moderately long light-brown hair. Hope to see you all there! -Sean From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 11:14:38 1993 From: deb9@po.CWRU.Edu (David E. Burney) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 14:14:26 -0500 Subject: aphex/orbital/moby in detroit tonite Status: is anyone going to this tonite ? i'm going to head up there from cleveland... lemme know. peace. From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 11:28:51 1993 From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 14:28:35 EST Subject: looking for a space to hold a rave-like event Status: I'm looking for a space to hold an event that is not a rave; however, it will be loud and disorderly and go on into the wee hours, and I'm looking for a place that I can rent for such an event. It occurred to me that rave-people might have an idea about what would be good spaces -- can anyone give me any tips? Please reply to me directly -- I'm not on the list. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mary Malmros | Cayman Systems Inc, 26 Landsdowne St, Cambridge, MA 02139 mary@cayman.com | Phone 617-494-1999 Fax 617-494-5167 AppleLink CAYMAN.TECH In our yodeling class, we discourage new students from yodeling right off. You see, we *build* to that. From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 11:38:16 1993 From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 14:46:18 EST Subject: raving THIEFS Status: I am SOOOOOOO pissed off. What ever happened to peace, love, unity, and respect? From what has happened to stuff I have brought in to raves, I am From: ??? Date: ??? Subject: ??? Status: Regards, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 11:39:38 1993 From: "Jennifer J. Smeddy" Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 14:36:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: raving THIEFS Status: was is kunsville laura? pronounced coonsville? this is like 10 min from me.... jennifer smeddy From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 11:50:48 1993 From: Kenny Eng Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 14:50:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: raving THIEFS Status: ravers are a motley crew. i, for one, admit that i am not all into that peace,love, and unity thing. i would be ready to help a friend out in beating the shit out of someone for the right reason. what i am trying to say is that, at raves, i try to uphold the ideals, but outside of a rave atmosphere, i am just ready to fuck anyone up if they get on my bad side. i have to admit that if i saw a couple of bucks laying around, i would not hesitate to pocket that couple of dollars at a rave. the ideals of peace, love and unity are pretty much bullshit, i think. it's such a cheesy idea that someone way back made up for ravers. i can recall many many instances in which i have been at raves and others have looked at me in a weird way cause i am some chinese kid dressed up in baggies and shit. why should i be nice when there is still so much racial tolerance? kenny From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 11:59:23 1993 From: grant@world.std.com (Grant D McHerron) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 14:58:52 -0500 Subject: Peter Grabriel Meets Amporphous Androgynous Status: Hey Folks, Here I sit at work, typing up an important document, listening to "The Last Temptation of Christ" to supply that important "inspirational" mood. My mind is working on the document and my subconcious is running away being entertained by the music ( the things you do to keep your ID in check :). But wait - what's this? The music is not what I'm expecting!!!! It's not going the way I want. My sub-concious yells out in annoyance and my concious mind notices. Where's the nifty base and percussion line, where's those neat little blippy bits? Where's that cool stuff over the top? Oh, right, this is the original from Peter Gabriel, not the sampled bit used to create track 7 ( Fat Cat ) on Tales of Ephidrine by Amporhpous Androgynous. Ahhhhh, back to listening, it's OK, the world's not about to end. I tromp my subconcious back down into it's shell and it starts trancing again, leaving my mind free to focus on my writing... There is a point here, believe it or not :) My thanks to all those from both countries who correctly answered my plea for assistance regarding what had been "sampled" for Fat Cat - yes, it most definitely is from Peter Gabriel's Last Temptation of Christ disk ( wanna get seriously confused? Listen to Fat Cat and the original PG track simultaneously - one in each ear - oh dear, did you fall over too??? :). Anyhow, thanks for the assistance, I *may* have figured it out one day, but you've saved me the bewilderment I would have sufferred until I got it right :) Grant From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 12:26:17 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 15:26:03 EST Subject: First Time Status: My official life-as-a-raver story begins on May 1, 1993 in a warehouse near the Huntington Train Station in Huntington, Long Island. The name of the rave was Essence II. Before this I had only gone to two small raves held at the Stony Brook University campus, ending at 2:00 am and having perhaps 200 people maximum. As you can probably imagine, the sheer immensity of this monster pretty much blew me away. when i first walked in and saw the loading dock filled with people and a giant oil projection on the back wall and the music and all i was quite awed, but at this point i didn't realize that this was merely the chillout area. as i walked around the crowd i noticed the entrance to the main dance area .... for the next 6 hours i was lost in an electro- magnetic storm :) This was an especially important rave for me because it was here that i first made real-world contact with some net-ravers, my only regret being that i'd not noticed you all earlier in the night. soon after, another important rave was Denial (yes, *THAT* one :) though it must have sucked mightily for some of you who've been raving for a while now, it was really great for me, as i got to chill out with a whole bunch of you and sit and talk comfortably around a fireplace under the stars, and get to know a lot of you better. hoping to see you kids again soon! all the love in the ocean, O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ PS. I wasn't really planning to post anything on the recent crisis of conscience apparently occuring in the net-raver comunity, but i just got mail from Joanna (vrave vampyre) that sort of sparked a little urgency in me. I think Brian did the right thing. That whole ridiculous mess about you-know-what was quite unnecessary. I sincerely hope that the time off from the list will give people an opportunity to explore what it means for them to be on that list and if it is important enough to them, to re-sub whenever it comes back and approach it hopefully with a new air of tolerance and judgement. I'm still a newbie raver by most standards, so I guess I still like to believe that there's a future in this 'scene', that it won't die under it's own weight, that it'll only get bigger and wider and stronger. by 'the scene', i implicitly include 'the net' -- the two are inextricable for me. in my mind, this is the future of raving, and the key to its continued growth in the years to come, so let's set a good example/model for progress and forget the silly match throwing competitions. PLUR to all my lovely brothers and sisters on the Net! (if you're not on SFR and have no clue what i'm talking about, sit down, shut up and accept my love anyway! :) *HUGS!* ) From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 12:26:38 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (nate goldbaum) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 15:26:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Entropic -- glasses for the masses Status: On Nov 5, 1:08pm, aboulang@bbn.com wrote: > Subject: Entropic -- glasses for the masses > > Daniel J Nadeau writes: > > > I may be with or without > glasses (I'm mildly near-sighted, but they have a tendency > to fly off when I dance). > > > I will tell you what I have for glasses that takes care of this. You > can get temples (the two things that hangs your glasses on your ears) > that actually wrap around your ears. The ear part is springy. They > really keep your glasses from slipping off when you perspire. > > Taming gravity, > Albert Boulanger > aboulanger@bbn.com >-- End of excerpt from aboulang@bbn.com Probably, the best thing to do is get contacts. Disposables aren't too expensive and are really hassle-free (especially if you only wear them once a week at a rave). This is what I do. nate -- nate goldbaum goldbn@rpi.edu =============================================================================== if mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-ee cummings who would be born must first destroy a world. --hermann hesse i don't want the world, i just want your half. --they might be giants ========================================================================= From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 12:34:47 1993 From: goldbn@rpi.edu (nate goldbaum) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 15:34:40 -0500 Subject: Re: raving THIEFS Status: On Nov 5, 2:46pm, aboulang@bbn.com wrote: > Subject: raving THIEFS > > I am SOOOOOOO pissed off. What ever happened to peace, love, > unity, and respect? > > > >From what has happened to stuff I have brought in to raves, I am > convinced that the people on ne-raves is not a random sampling of folk > who go to Raves. There has been some interesting discussion of the > pros and cons of network voting -- on the one hand it is a really neat > idea technologically, but on the other hand it a biased sampling > method. Probably a rave consisting of folk on this list would > represent a higher quality rave than just on open one, but on the > other hand this is type of elitism. > > > Regards, > Albert Boulanger > aboulanger@bbn.com >-- End of excerpt from aboulang@bbn.com I would argue that people on NE-Raves may be more into the peace and unity _because_ of being on the list, rather that the other way around. Being able to discuss these issues in a forum and giving mental/emotional substance to people who are really not more than faces/objects at a rave probably helps improve the sense of community. Possibly, the medium of network voting itself could help improve our feelings of community and of personal empowerment (that we as individuals have a larger role in the community). I know that since I have joined NE-Raves I feel much closer to the rave community as a national movement than as simply people at a party (although I have always felt the ecstatic sense of joining that is one of the best parts of a rave). Just my .02 nate -- nate goldbaum goldbn@rpi.edu =============================================================================== if mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-ee cummings who would be born must first destroy a world. --hermann hesse i don't want the world, i just want your half. --they might be giants ========================================================================= From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 12:43:58 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 15:43:44 EST Subject: Re: raving THIEFS and PLUR Status: Hello Kenny, Just a few responses to what you wrote a while ago: > > ravers are a motley crew. i, for one, admit that i am not all into that > peace,love, and unity thing. i would be ready to help a friend out in > beating the shit out of someone for the right reason. i guess you gotta do what your conscience tells you is right. > what i am trying to say is that, at raves, i try to uphold the ideals, > but outside of a rave atmosphere, i am just ready to fuck anyone up if > they get on my bad side. i have to admit that if i saw a couple of > bucks laying around, i would not hesitate to pocket that couple of > dollars at a rave. so why bother upholding them *inside* the rave, kenny? > the ideals of peace, love and unity are pretty much bullshit, i think. > it's such a cheesy idea that someone way back made up for ravers. i can i'm sorry you feel that way, kenny. as i've noticed of late, you're apparently not the only one who feels that these rave ideals are merely a marketing ploy. i do reserve the right to disagree, however. > recall many many instances in which i have been at raves and others have > looked at me in a weird way cause i am some chinese kid dressed up in > baggies and shit. why should i be nice when there is still so much > racial tolerance? Because, Kenny -- peace, love, unity and respect begin with YOU! if someone gives you a weird look (as MANY have done to me in the past, not at raves mind you), either ignore them or move away, or do what i do and smile back at them and make them think you're crazy :) why let their attitude spoil your vibe? I know it's hard sometimes but you have to be strong. i don't want to bring up those old cliches about it taking more guts to walk away from a fight than to get into one, but i believe in them, if only for self-preservation purposes. Hatred and bad vibes take away energy, P.L.U.R gives it right back to you, in copious amounts. > > kenny > peace Kenny O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 14:02:54 1993 From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 14:58:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: XDZebra Review #39 Status: XDZebra Review #39 Addiction 266 Delmar Ct. Salt Lake City, UT 84101-1817 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational: angst@psych.colorado.edu Back issues are available from me by mail or by ftp'ing to techno.stanford.edu. They're in the pub/raves/music/reviews directory. XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #39 Contents: Sven Vath: L'esperanza Sven Vath: Ritual of Life The Grid: Texas Cowboys Sandoz: Digital Lifeforms Effective Force: Illuminate The Planet William Orbit: Strange Cargo III Mellow Mellow: I Can't Stop Cream of Tomato Dancekult - These Are Hooj Choons Curve: Blackerthreetrackertwo God's Brain: Virtual Love Sven Vath: L'esperanza Eye Q/WEA: YZ 757 CD 1 120 03:51 L'esperanza (Single Edit) 2 120 07:39 L'esperanza (Doub Mix Feat. Patricia) 3 144 08:15 L'esperanza (Hope Will Move Mountains Mix) 4 140 07:47 L'esperanza (Raindance Mix) 5 123 10:31 L'esperanza (Wild Pitch Mix) Comments: One of my favorite tracks from the "Accident" album. The only real remix that captures all the flavor of the original is the "Doub Mix" which is essentially an extended remix with French female whispering samples thrown in. The "Hope Will Move" and "Raindance" mixes are good, but bear little resemblance to the original. "Raindance" is especially nice on a tribal theme. Finally, "Wild Pitch" is a too long rendition that only has the "Doub Mix" samples to connect it back to the original. Summary: 4/10. The main problem is the strengths of the original have been thrown out for remixes which are essentially completely different. Sven Vath: Ritual of Life Eye Q/WEA: 4509-92529-2 1 138 08:31 Ritual of Life (Tribal Acid Mix) 2 120 13:17 Ritual of Life (The PCP Mix) 3 114 09:10 Ritual of Life (Neutron 9000 Mix) 4 137 08:59 Ritual of Life (The Spicelab Mix) Comments: Now this, this is what all singles should be. Each remix owes heavily to the original, yet is completely different in its own manner. "The PCP Mix" astounded me, taking away my breath completely. No human should be alive on this planet without hearing this remix. Babies, tinkling pianos, and roaring smokestacks. I thought it could get no better, but the "Neutron 9000" matched it with an equally beautiful, awe-inspiring piece of work. "Tribal Acid" and "Spicelab" take things up a bit faster, but not too much harder, and pay tribute to the theme in an excellent manner. Summary: 10/10. Find and buy. This is the one of the best remixing jobs ever. The Grid: Texas Cowboys Deconstruction/RCA/BMG: 74321 16776 2 1 136 05:55 Texas Cowboys 2 127 06:11 Rise 3 136 07:05 Texas Cowboys (High Plains Prankster Mix) 4 127 05:53 Cheerleader song Comments: Fresh stuff from The Grid which holds a refreshing amount of bounce. "Texas Cowboys" goes along in classic Grid style with a nice sounding synth line flying over a moving rhythm section and well placed and executed samples. Justin Robertson's remix "High Plains" is even better, with swooping crescendos. Even though the main theme is lost, it sticks well with the original feel. "Rise" takes what seems to be a pulpit preacher sample, "Does it rise brothers? Does it glow sisters?" and applies bleepy garage house backing. The "Cheerleader song" uses horns and a spacey rhythm section with a "Na na na na" cheerleeding shout, very bright and happy. Summary: 9/10. Lip smacking uplifting single from The Grid. Let's hope they have another round of good singles in the works. Sandoz: Digital Lifeforms Touch: TO:21 1 124 07:44 Armed Response 2 128 07:35 Chocolate Machine 3 120 08:05 Digital Lifeforms 4 124 07:00 Human Spirit 5 99 07:01 Drum Meditation 6 126 08:48 Limbo 7 134 08:27 Zombie Astral 8 126 06:48 Beam 9 120 07:52 Steel Tabernacle 10 120 09:12 White Darkness Comments: Sandoz is otherwise known as Richard Kirk from Cabaret Voltaire. With "Digital Lifeforms" he has taken a complete left turn from CV and his solo work. Sandoz sounds something like a blend of Ethik and Renegade Soundwave with a good dose of ethnic samples on top. Most tracks border between ambience and dub, all of them being very trippy. "Digital Lifeforms", "Limbo" and "White Darkness" are my favorites, but there aren't any boring tracks on here at all. Summary: 8/10. A clearcut piece of work. In my opinion, the best stuff to come from Kirk yet. Effective Force: Illuminate The Planet MFS: 323.7038.2 41 1 123 09:26 Illuminate The Planet 2 123 04:45 A Lesson For The Atoms 3 03:28 Time Zero 4 110 06:05 Diamond Bullet 5 137 15:25 O.M. 6 121 14:50 235 Comments: Things start out a bit Italio-house, very reminiscent of the DFC "Ambient House" compilation. Then things cruise down to the very light "Time Zero" with.. No it can't be! Aieeee! Terrence McKenna spewing off his normal load of verbal diarrhea once again. Oh well, the backing music still sounds nice, even though I can't control my laughter. Back to business with "Diamond Bullet" and a much better mix than what was on the Narcosis compilation. The new samples fit into this track like pegs in holes. The final two, "O.M." and "235" are extravagantly long, but not annoyingly so. They just seem to stretch and fade into the background of your mind. After its over, you can't remember what they were like, yet you don't care either. Summary: 7/10. Points docked for the McKenna garbage. Other than that, this album has an excellent flow to it. William Orbit: Strange Cargo III Virgin: CDV 2707 1 102 07:05 Water from a Vine Leaf 2 115 05:41 Into the Paradise 3 68 04:10 Time to get Wize 4 73 04:31 Harry Flowers 5 99 05:03 A Touch of the Night 6 101 06:21 The Story of Light 7 93 06:38 Gringatcho Demento 8 114 05:09 A Hazy Shade of Random 9 99 04:35 Best Friend, Paranoia 10 05:16 The Monkey King 11 05:40 Deus Ex Machina 12 03:42 Water Babies Comments: Melt my heart with a female vocal riding a slick synth line, then move my bootie to the sound of killer rhythms from God knows where. William Orbit strikes again with an album that seems to repeat its structure, ambience, then funky-a-dory drums, then ambience again, but it WORKS! Oh man does it work. I've listened to this album three times since I've received it and it just tastes better each time. "Water From A Vine Leaf" is lickalicious, but "Into The Paradise" and "The Story of Light" are just as good if not better. The last three tracks are pure ambient and a nice closure to a energetic and terrific album. Summary: 9/10. More cohesive than previous Strange Cargo albums. A perfectly wonderful sound that just can't tire from repeated play. Mellow Mellow: I Can't Stop Antler Subway/Caroline: 2528-2 1 133 06:20 I Can't Stop (Mellow Club Mix) 2 136 07:26 I Can't Stop (Goodman & Adrian Mellow is a classic Detroit Mix) 3 133 07:37 I Can't Stop (Transformer Tribe Mix) 4 130 08:24 I Can't Stop (Parrot Trance) 5 130 07:58 I Can't Stop (Teknotribe Mix) Comments: A sort of jazzy progressive house track done up with new remixes. The "Mellow Club Mix" is far from mellow, it really rages with a nice bump. "Detroit Mix" is a bit more energetic with an added buzz. "Transformer Tribe" is spacey with a flange put to good use. "Parrot Trance" has a very nice beatless intro and outro that eventually moves into another raging rhythm. "Teknotribe" contains a real tribal rhythm, but then becomes rather repetitious with a housey synth line that obnoxiates the original melody. However, this last remix works better on the floor than any others, it just isn't much to listen to. Summary: 7/10. Good uptempo single with fair remixes. Housey but a sure floor pumper. Cream of Tomato Moonshine/Tomato: M50092-2 1 123 07:48 Pascal's Bongo Massive Vol.2: Gettin' Started 2 122 04:15 Loveness: Without Love 3 122 05:35 Riot of Emotion: Riot of Emotion 4 121 06:58 Simon Says: Simon's Track 5 128 07:07 Solomon's House: Solar Funk 6 126 07:17 Pascal's Bongo Massive Vol.3: Pascal's Jam 7 122 07:45 How Does It Make You Feel?: Homegrown 8 128 07:42 Gayle Lynne: Rain Come Down on Me 9 98 05:40 The Infinite Wheel: Lake of Dreams 10 120 04:27 Nature Boy: Tobago 11 98 07:12 Blunt Trax Vol.1: Carried Away Comments: Nice, but dated collection of tracks imported from Tomato Records in the UK and put out domestically by Moonshine. The sound borders between progressive and garage house with Pascal's Bongo Massive and Simon Says on the progressive side and "Homegrown", Gayle Lynn, and "Carried Away" on the garage side. There are occassional dips into acid jazz with a very groovey flute on "Without Love" and a way funky guitar on "Pascal's Jam". The highlight for me is the A-Side of "Lake of Dreams" which is entirely different from the In Order To Dance IV release. This time it is way more tribal and far more powerful than the other version. "Tobago" is a mild continuation of the tribal sound, but seems to lack a lot of oomph. Summary: 6/10. Good collection of garage and progressive, but only a few tracks thrill me. Dancekult - These Are Hooj Choons Moonshine: M500093-2 1 128 06:04 Felix: Don't You Want Me 2 127 04:56 Hyper Go-Go: High 3 124 06:30 Gloworm: I Lift My Cup 4 128 06:23 DC 02: Do What You Feel 5 126 06:16 Restless Rockers: Restless 6 126 07:58 Andronicus: Make You Whole 7 125 06:28 Diss Cuss: Pissed Apache 8 127 03:26 Rio Rhythm Band: Carnival da Casa 9 128 07:40 Diss Cuss: Tra La La La 10 128 06:05 Diss Cuss: Tra La La La (Pure Energy Disco Mix) 11 121 05:27 Restless Rockers: Dem Dem 12 125 06:01 Choci & The Fruits of Fresh Funk: Music Comments: A way more progressive sound than the Tomato label, a lot of these tracks were large hits in the dance scene. As a result, I'm sick to death of Felix and Hyper Go-Go. The Gloworm track is cool with nice deep vocals. Diss Cuss is the best thing going for this compilation, with Restless Rockers next in line. "Music" by Choci & etc., is the worst here, bumpless backing with a droning Englishman, so boring its funny. Summary: 7/10. Listenable progressive house collection. If Moonshine had a quicker turnaround on importing music, things would be a lot fresher. Curve: Blackerthreetrackertwo Anxious Records: ANXCDS 42 1 90 06:26 Missing Link (Screaming Bird Mix) 2 138 09:22 Rising (Headspace Mix) 3 125 06:19 Half The Time (Honey Tongue Mix) Comments: "Missing Link" was remixed by Flood and Trent Reznor, however it sounds like they've been attending the Thirlwell school of remixing. Heavy distortion on just about everything, however it is still semicool. The "Honey Tongue Mix" of "Half The Time" by Drum Club seems to be aimless with a techno backing that has trouble fitting into the Curve sound. The premier track on here is "Rising (Headspace Mix)" which is an utterly astounding job by Future Sound of London. Hear this on a big system, or push those headphones into your head, but you must FEEL those big squishey beats to understand this track properly. Summary: 9/10. This CD would have been worth $20 for the FSOL remix alone. God's Brain: Virtual Love MFS: 024 1 137 05:57 Virtual Love 2 139 07:13 Virtual Love (Microgod Mix) 3 127 10:19 Pink Sky 4 139 06:35 Virtual Love (God's Tribe Mix) Comments: The original of "Virtual Love" is unspectacular. Rather samey German trance with a nice treble line on top. "Pink Sky" almost Aphex in its use of dissonnant sounds, you expect the distorted bassline to kick in at any time. The two mixes by Mijk van Dijk is what make this single really soar. "Microgod Mix" especially, with an Orbitalesque theme and a majestic drum and sweeping bassline. The samples about, "The greater glory of God" are enough to make even atheist spines tingle. "God's Tribe" has more rhythm and less beatless breaks than "Microgod" but sounds similar. Summary: 7/10. Very cool remixes. The original is unmemorable and "Pink Sky" is almost annoying at ten minutes in length. Addresses: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deconstruction: Bedford House, 69-79 Fulham High St, London SW6, UK Touch: 13 Osward Road, London SW17 7SS, UK MFS: Deutsche Schallplatten GmbH, Reichstagufer 4-5, 0-1080 Berlin, Germany Virgin: Kensal House 553-579 Harrow Rd, London W10 4RH, UK Caroline: 114 W 26th St, New York, NY, 10001, USA Moonshine: 6634 Sunset Blvd., Hollywood, CA, 90028, USA Recurve: PO Box 34, Edinburgh, EH3 6PF, UK From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 15:13:42 1993 From: Kasson Crooker Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 17:55:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: symbion Status: yes, it's me again to once again solicit the blissfactory show downstairs at the middle east on thursday november 11th. the doors open at 8:30 p.m. [7$ cover] and three bands will be featured. i have no details on the opening act but i do on the other two. the second band is called the symbion project, and i'm really the only one in it. i'll be playing a 35 minute set of song that have been working on for over a year now, and i felt it was time to get a little exposure. the set spans a wide distance of styles, textures, and tempos. every sound you will hear i created. i sample a lot of breakbeats and rap melded w/electronic drum sounds. i've been heavily influenced in the analogue domain so you will hear a lot of fat bass and resonant ambients pads. there's even some fm programming and breath controller action. it was my intention to have each song have individuality, so one song will be mellow trance at 120 bpm and the next song will be harder at 152 bpm. if any of you out there make it to the show, i'm really looking for some feedback to what you liked and disliked. ok- that's enough self- promotion for the time being. the other band is blind. last time i played w/them, they played a great set of fast techno and i was especially impressed w/their drum loops. really professional sounding... and in between there will be lots of ambiente/trance being spun. so if you're interested in hearing some local underground electronic music, than this is the place to be...see you there kasson the symbion project <> From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 16:54:19 1993 From: jetta@olaf.wellesley.edu (Vanessa Wang) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 19:54:02 EST Subject: Re: raving THIEFS Status: Hm... I don't know if I agree with much of what you say about raves, Kenny. Yes, they are moving (rapidly) away from the so-called ideal, but as has been discussed on ne-raves before, how can we just sit back and complain about there not being PLUR (as Fish says) unless we too "keep the faith" so to speak? Since you don't believe in it yourself, how can you expect others to? I, like you, have experienced being a "minority," particularly at raves, where there does not seem to be much ethnic/racial diversity. I don't think I have ever experienced "funny looks" as you say you have...I am not saying that you are not experiencing what you say you are experiencing, I am just saying that maybe a lot of the negative vibes you get come from within your- self, as well as from other people. Whatever. I don't think peace/love/unity and all that is "stupid" as you say. Yeah, so maybe we're getting cynical after events such as Casper, and so on, but don't let the idealism get killed otherwise we will never get *anywhere*... (NE-Raves discussions seem to be rather cyclical, no?) wfs Jetta. From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 18:27:21 1993 From: wangj@rpi.edu (jujubee) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 21:27:10 -0500 Subject: Re: raving THIEFS and PLUR Status: O > Hello Kenny, my fellow raver: > > the ideals of peace, love and unity are pretty much bullshit, i think. > > it's such a cheesy idea that someone way back made up for ravers. i can > > > recall many many instances in which i have been at raves and others have > > looked at me in a weird way cause i am some chinese kid dressed up in > > baggies and shit. why should i be nice when there is still so much > > racial tolerance?======== like ur self i am also chineseand an international student, and i am fed up with the ignorances in our society=== i would think ravers would have open minds, but instead i see a lot of poseurs out there and a lot of bigots in raves. i am a very timid person and a pacifist,i usually just ignore that and enjoy dancing, but i feel very sad for me. i love races of all kind but i have a difficult time fitting in the scene, people looked at me weird in my school because i dress like a raver and i skate( my school is total geek scool and frat boy school0, but in a rave people look at me funny because i am of another race.=== rave is a predominately white thing(see "white man's disease" for reference), i listen to techno and house long before there are raves in this country, and i dj for small parties. i thought i can go to raves and meet nice friendly people, instead i get bad vibes. i am not using this network to complaint but just to reveal how i fely about the scene. Because, Kenny -- peace, love, unity and respect begin with YOU! if someone > gives you a weird look (as MANY have done to me in the past, not at raves > mind you), either ignore them or move away, or do what i do and smile > back at them and make them think you're crazy :) ======== > > > kenny, i can relate to u alot, and i hope my fellow ne raver will give us supports, i will cook chinese food for people if there is any event in my area and every one of u are welcomed to crash in my shack---i have a huge apartment. i have been a lurker for a long time, i apologise for that , but i have read all ur messages and i think everone is very insightful and humorous, i would like to say hi to jenny s, svtlana and laura , and thank them for being supportive for the scene. > > peace and harmony jigsaw > > O ~ ~ > o ~ ~ ~ > . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ > . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi > \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu > ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET > ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ > \/ . . . \ \/ . . > ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ >-- End of excerpt from Rishad J. Quazi From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 19:01:57 1993 From: Rishad J. Quazi Date: Fri, 5 Nov 93 22:01:39 EST Subject: racial diversity Status: Okay loves, more fishy thoughts on racial diversity at raves. kenny, jigsaw and jetta, asians like myself (yes, i know some of you may be somewhat confused as to this usage, but i am bengali, and my geographic logic, i am therefore, asian), have all commented on noticing 'strange looks' from people, both outside the scene of a rave, and in everyday life. this is something that warrants a little more discussion, i think, and i'd be very interested to see how other folks on this list feel about this problem. the question of racial diversity at raves is an interesting one that i've been trying to figure out ie. why aren't more FiSH-like beings out there? is it merely demographics, ie. most raves show a demographically proportionate slice of society, so we are about right when we only see a handful of asians at raves. is this so? as far as general observations go, i've noticed a lot LESS racism towards me personally in the US, than as a child growing up in the UK. kids can be pretty cruel and mean when they want to be, and that's one of the bad things i remember about living in that country, apart from all the other fond childhood memories. perhaps my living in the metro- politan and cosmopolitan and academic region of greater NYC has contributed to a lesser experience of prejudice in my case, and i'm curious as to how things are for people like me in other parts of the North-East. Yes, I have had mean looks occasionally when a group of my friends walk into (or used to, anyway) an all-white bar or club, but we try to take it in stride and relax. I have NEVER in my 6 mos :) of raving had what I would perceive to be a racially-motivated mean look though. perhaps i just don't pay as much attention to whether or not people are looking at me. i've got better things to do at a rave than be constantly worried about that. yes, it's true the world is full of buttheads of all descriptions, some of them happen to like to rave, and we gotta deal with them in our own sweet ways. in fact, one of my indian friends is reluctant to come to a rave (or out at all) for this reason -- he is scared of getting potential mean looks or whatever. oh well, sucks for him, eh? I for one never let the prospect of a mean look stop me from having a great time, be it at a bar, a club, the movies, a talk, a concert or a rave. i don't think anyone should have to stay at home because of that fear. Hehe, now that i think of it, there WAS one experience. at the $lime- light one night. I was filling up my water bottle in the bathroom and this dork starts dipping his head under the tap while i'm not even done and flicks his hair and sprays water in my face, then bumps into me and gives me the meanest look - as if i'd killed his dog or something. i'd say this was a racially-motivated incident though .... ... the guy was an Indian club kid :) Jigsaw, welcome to list, thanks for the offer of food and space. Don't give up hope, keep up the faith, educate the narrow-minds, make hay while the sun shines, beer before liquor only make you sicker, liquor before beer -- everything clear .... heehee :) aquatic love terrorist O ~ ~ o ~ ~ ~ . _/,_ ~ ~ ~ . /o...\__// FiSH ~ Rishad J. Quazi \_'__/``\` rquazi@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu ~ \` RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET ~ . ~ ~ ~ ~ \/ . . . \ \/ . . ____\____._..___.____\/_______._ From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 20:24:17 1993 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 23:24:26 -0500 Subject: Re: racial diversity Status: ok we all know i am a wasp....but still i mean it seems that noone has noticed "mean looks" at raves really that i hear about...but hell i've gotten a few of them...some of you know of these incedents one was at ulraworld 8 with these two girls snickering louudly at me while standing with soem guy...i laughed at them but it seemd really really wierd at the time abnd still does...but hell ignore people like that they are usually immature beings that have nothing better to do than to try to promote themselves even if it is via putting other people down its just not worth the bother to deal with peole like that til they are willing to grow up...but by all means avoid incedents..we were all young once...maybe not sooo immature but a lot were love and frogs neith From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 20:30:27 1993 From: "David L. Bayer" Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 20:20:52 Subject: Funny looks to a chiense kid in baggies Status: I have a question (this comes mostly from my experiences out here on the West Coast though) for Kenny Eng. Are they looking funny at you cuz you are asian or because you bring an attitude in with you? I ask this cuz I sat down with one of the big, hulking club-looking types one night and talked for a bit while my body rested itself. He spoke of racial prejudice (Or at least getting looks cuz he was breaking the stereotypes assoicated with being Korean), but I had noticed earlier that he held an air of superiority about himself. From what I saw, it was not that he was getting looks for what he believed to be this unjust cause, but instead because he was giving off an evil energy to all the others around him. dave From ne-raves-owner Fri Nov 5 21:11:58 1993 From: TINA LOVES TAYLOR Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 00:13 EST Subject: Tina steps forward and says.... Status: I think everyone on this list has gotten a look or two by people at raves. Usually when I get strange looks, it's by another female who's basically trying to size me up.. typical club attitude that gets brought into the rave scene, because it's the "cool" place to be. I've never attributed any strange looks by both males and females as motivated by my ethnicity... I don't see the world in terms of that- it would be easy for me to label all strange looks as being like that.. I think that's one thing in our country right now- people get hypersensitive and hypervigilante when it comes to race and anything negative against someone of so called "colour" is deemed racist action. Of course, racist attitudes and slurs do get tossed around and even though we'd like to thing raves would be a save haven from such attitudes, it most probably is not. Take certain techno tracks Ive heard at raves- Xenophobia's The WObbler... not exactly a song I'd call racialy neutral... Prejudice occurs everywhere, but I think we should think hard before we go about labelling actions and events as racist. Granted I didn't read much of this thread that's being woven, so I won't make any comments on the thoughts of specific persons that I'm reading second and third hand, but my personal opinion is that I find there are many people who think too much in terms of race and when somethng negative happens that's the first thng to pop into their minds. There are other motivating factors to looks by other people- minorities do stand out at raves and maybe we do get some extra looks or glances because we stand out, but I find that to be neither offensive nor threatening. Look at me and think what you will.. only when you violate me will it matter to me. Just remember other factors can be involved- they way a person dresses may warrant some looks, the way a person presents him/ herself- self conscious looks, snobbish attitudes, what have you. tina (I'm sick... please excuse sloppy thought) From ne-raves-owner Sat Nov 6 03:41:27 1993 From: dz5401a@palestrina.anderson-lab.american.edu (Douglas Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 93 6:40:24 EDT Subject: Re: raving THIEFS Status: > > ravers are a motley crew. i, for one, admit that i am not all into that > peace,love, and unity thing. i would be ready to help a friend out in > beating the shit out of someone for the right reason. I have to agree with you Kenny. When you really look at it how many of the people at an event are in it for the PEace, Love and Unity? Or is it a gathering of Suburbanites with nothing better to do with their time? Remember the hippie movement? What real changes in attitude came from that area? > what i am trying to say is that, at raves, i try to uphold the ideals, > but outside of a rave atmosphere, i am just ready to fuck anyone up if > they get on my bad side. i have to admit that if i saw a couple of > bucks laying around, i would not hesitate to pocket that couple of > dollars at a rave. I don't like that cause once i thought i could trust my fellow brothers and sisters. Now i always when im dancing i have to keep one eye on my bag cause im afraid its going to disappear (unless its in a big pile of neravers stuff:) > the ideals of peace, love and unity are pretty much bullshi