Ne-Raves Digest Volume 2, Issue 4 For the month of April, 1993 Release Date: May 8, 1993 (sorry about the delay!) Please send all subscription/unsubscription requests to: ne-raves-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 00:41:05 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: caffeine during month of april caffeine april fridays april 2 on-E micro nasa onionz dave trance april 9 toast, rad brad, jeff hansen present old school micro, onionz, dave trance warehouse b micro, dave trance, sameer, ryde, who april 16 micro , onionz, dave trance neuromancer germany jason jinx nasa april 23 micro, onionz, dave trance, leiven degeyndt music now april 30 micro, onionz, dave trance debo boston dj sun ultraworld open till 6 AM info 516-547-6137 838 grand blvd. dix hills, ny 18+ over proper id required [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 00:46:18 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: global groove global groove star date saturday :04:03:93 hosted by trepp, a.jay, mat t. & pebbles, sid, jen jetson visuals: e-force theatre, xelibrium the boarding crew: astro erle, chloe, michael allen, wendy 11pm-10am info: 212.696.8938 promotions the primal posse, nyc wink, philly 215-627-4423 mindwarp, boston 617-266-1987 toast & rad brad applejack, philly 215-552-8833 house, 84 e.7th st. nyc vinylmania 43 carmine st. nyc planet x 309 george st. nj rave house progressive on the wheels of steel downstairs in the astro arena: jacquelyn christie micro (caffeine) guy dmc denard stephan troposphere dj who (balt.) upstairs in the decompression chamber soul slinger james christian troy dj reese noel featuring mc: chris styles + guests warehouse x, new york city 531 w.19th street. corner of the west side highway $10 with invite b4 midnite, $13 with invite after, $15 without [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 00:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: Blue Subject: RAVESTOCK Ravestock is STILL happening!!! On June 19th and 20th in upstate NY. For more information, call (212) 330-8233 in the tri-state area, or 1-800-4 RAVELINE PEACE! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 00:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: Fwd: Cleveland/Akron/Pittsburgh Rave From: JGUSCOTT@kentvm.kent.edu Newsgroups: alt.rave Subject: Cleveland/Akron/Pittsburgh Rave Message-ID: <16BA2D48E.JGUSCOTT@kentvm.kent.edu> Date: 31 Mar 93 19:06:54 GMT Sender: news@mcs.kent.edu Organization: Kent State Univ. Lines: 69 Nntp-Posting-Host: kentvm.kent.edu DV9 ST8 Productions Presents: *****TRIXX***** Saturday, April 10th Rocky's Skating Center in Akron OH Cereal Killers (musical ingredients) ------------------------------------ DJ Snap - Strobe euphoria/u.s. team rave DJ Crackle - Special K from Pittsburgh DJ Pop - Kevy Kev from Columbus DJ Toucan Sam - Jeffee plus surprise guests Terminatrixx (fashion ingredients) ---------------------------------- Bobe-Link (Cleveland) - Rene Cigler Subject: badge update again / reverse i started many of the badges today.. and they look great.. it's really cool to see how everyone's is a little different.. and to see everyone's little personal thingies.. there is more room on them than i thought... so, don't worry about giving me too much text.. i mean, don't gimme a novel! but... also.. is anyone who ordered a badge going to REVERSE this sat.? because i will be there.. and i will make an effort to get yours done if you will be there.. that way i can give it to you. please let me know as soon as you can if you will be there...so i can get to work. on another note: for all those poor souls who went through my 'ginger-ale spilled in macintosh keyboard' situation last night on vrave... well.. let me just update you with one word: chile. :0 i think it's time for a new keyboard. peace out (and hopefully a better day than mine) >> taylor.808 << [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 03:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: RIDE TO FUTURE Sorry i didn't get this to the HOM sooner, but I just found out that Joe Lesesne's car is full. if ANYONE is coming past Pgh. to go to Future, PLEEEEEAAAAAZZZZZZEEEEEEEEEE give me a ride. I will do anything. (well, not *anything* but alot.) vibes, mikebee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - "We're not post-House. We're post-everything. Actually, everyone else is just pre-St. Etienne." ---Bob Stanley, St.Etienne "Aw, Mike, all you think about is two things: sex and me." ---dieselBoy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Mike Battaglia...........mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu...... raving into the 21st century >>>lamb chop<<< [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: David Byman Subject: please put my name on the list . . . thanks Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 01:35:30 -0500 (EST) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 02:16:46 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: HOM I'll be looking for a ride to Future from DC. Also, if things can get worked out I'll bring my laptop for a vrave connection (and maybe someone can bring a VGA monitor so more people can see what's going on). [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 03:21:38 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (lead a normal life) Subject: Reverse? Something tells me all my plans for this weekend may fall through.. if so, Who's got room to reverse? --john (Who is also looking to borrow "O'Riely and Associates-Using PERL" if anyone's got it) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: XDZebra Promotion Info #1 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 08:59:24 -0700 (MST) As one of the few people on the Internet acquainted with doing promotions with major name bands, I decided that it would be of interest to everyone if I started publishing a newsletter regarding what is happening in the world of concert promotions. So here we go! XDZebra Promotion Info #1 4/1/93 Addicion 666 Hellmar Ct Salt Lick City, UT When in Utah, leave. Trying to verify these press releases? Don't bother, I know things you don't. This isn't my opinion. Flame away. XDZebra Promotion Info may be reproduced without permission under one condition, you send me lots of money. If you publish this in print, send me a copy and even more money. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ORB NORTH AMERICAN TOUR ENDS The big news of course is the end of the super secret Orb Mission '93 tour of America. Yes folks, they did tour, but only playing to crowds of ten or less. I did get to witness this concert at one stop, but I had to drive to Boise, Idaho then pay off the promoter with $500. Considering that it would have cost $5000 on their original tour to bring them to Salt Lake, I figured this was a bargain. Another source of disappointment was the fact that none of "Adventures" nor "UFOrb" was played for the small audience. Alex, Thrash, and the road crew played the Stooges "No Fun" at least five times (I lost count) then had a large chess tourney for the rest of the night. I rewound my recorder after the third version of "No Fun", but managed to capture all of the chess tourney, which unfortunately was mostly silent. You can however, hear Steve Hillage cursing under his breath during a tight match with Thrash. APHEX TWIN NORTH AMERICAN TOUR BEGINS The Aphex Twin has started a jagged circuit of several cities. What is unique about his tour is that he is flying back home to England between each stop. Richard James, upon being questioned about the unusual and time consuming tour stated that he's almost got the electronics of the DC-10 charted and had run out of his own money to do so. WHITE ROOM MOVIE PREMIER The long awaited KLF "White Room" film will premier at the Great Neck South Independent Film Festival. Jimmy Cauty has given word that he will be there, but so far nobody has heard from Bill Drummond. In fact, Bill's answering machine now answers for a Mr. Hagbard Celine. Even stranger, the sound of a porpoise can be heard in the background. The film's director, Bill Butt has been unavailable for comment, but a press release regarding the film itself has been sent out to a select few. Running at 46:23 minutes in length the film manages to capture most of the inspiration for the album "The White Room" as well as all of its remixes. It also answers the burning question about the true fate of the KLF. 303 TERRORISTS TAKE USA BY STORM Yes, your favorite group and mine, the 303 Terrorists, the band that everyone and their dog is talking about is releasing their much anticipated album in a record release party in Giants Stadium tonight. Following their appearance on last week's Saturday Night Live, their label "Mucho Guano" was stormed by the general public demanding that an album be placed in their hands. 303 Terrorist spokesman, Jach Mehoff had to call in a SWAP team to keep the anxious crowd of four to ninety year olds away. So far, no album title has been announced for fear of more riots regarding an early release. In related news, Sting mentioned on "Later With Bob Costas" that he would gladly give up his opening spot on the Grateful Dead tour to the 303 Terrorists, stating that, "My musical ability is nothing to a 303 in the hands of these masters." JACK DANGERS TO REMIX EVERYTHING In a short interview following his Divine Playground performance, Jack Dangers of Meat Beat Manifesto mentioned that he has begin the ultimate task of remixing everything. When questioned whether this meant he was dipping into classical and country realms Jack laughed that he didn't mean music, but *everything* else. So far he has remixed a small cafe in the south of London for a test, as well as his Scottish terrier. According to description, the bark of the terrier is now far worse than its bite, but also manages a fairly funky backing track of 122 bpms. LINDA RONSTADT RAVES Linda has tried her hand at just about every other form, but in the past few years has stayed away from pop culture. However, today marks the release of her first 12" dance single with "Need A Little Ravin'". Produced by Prodigy front man Liam Howlett and Moby during their California stop, the single sports several remixes and a killer acid throb. Will Linda tour the underground? The big question is whether she can operate a DAT machine or not. MOBY TO PRODUCE GOSPEL ALBUM In related news, Linda Ronstadt is to produce Moby for his next album which will be entirely made up of Moby singing gospel favorites. The sneak preview demo tape is devoid of synthesizers, samples, and high speed bpms. Word on the street is that Moby has thrown out all of his equipment in favor of a Wurlitzer organ. Not surprisingly, many young talents are now abandoning their analog Roland equipment for Wurlitzers. ULTRAVIOLET CATASTROPHE COLLABORATES WITH TRANCE Net favorites UVC have announced that they will be doing a continuing collaboration with net favorite Trance. In an exciting agreement between Twitch and Charnel House, the two San Francisco labels will share ideas, remix each other, and have a general good ol' time. Charnel House magnate Mason Jones stated, "I've always wondered how to do a decent 4/4." Jon Drukman followed up with, "I really think I'll be able to get that good Foetus feeling if I can get Mason to teach me how to play guitar." Twitch label founder Mike Wertheim indicated that this would finally be the much anticipated fusion between Japanese noize bands and tribal techno. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1993 12:15:58 EST From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: re-re-Reverse From: NAME: GOREHAMJ To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu@internet Thanx Dave, but I meant Burlington, Vermont!!!! That's where Reverse is,right? So anyone know how long it takes to get to Reverse location from Boston? Thanx Safety from Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 11:45 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: dj gossip and conversational reviews The next in a series of non-reviews of techno tracks . . . . Last night I ran into the City to get my hair cut, and ended up stopping at Disc-O-Rama in the Village on my way back out. Moe (DJ Rio) was there in the basement, and I talked to him a bit about Atlantis and Dune. He told me he played some of the same stuff at both, but also that he and Osheen split their sets at Dune so they both ended up playing styles that they are not usually known for. Rio says he'd been previously more into the harder stuff, but thought he'd give house a try, and was pretty pleased with how things were working out. He acknowledges that some people hate what he does -- I repeated Shannon's comment about "his records sucked and everyone knew it" -- and he was really cool about, saying "yea, people seem to either love it or hate it" and he smiled and shrugged. So that's my bit of DJ gossip for today, other than that Rio be at the Earth Day rave in April (don't know the date . . . I'd assume it's on Earth Day, whenever *that* is) at the Home Planet with James Christian, Oshin, and who knows who else, and at some upcoming event called BLACKOUT sometime in the future. Don't know when, don't know where, all he gave was the name. Okay, so on to the goodies. First he played me something called "The Grid / Crystal Clear" or something like that. It's clear vinyl with a very pretty blue label. I believe these are tribal remixes of some Orb stuff. It was nice, but I didn't buy it because my record budget is small and I can only afford to buy what I will really spin. But it's worth checking out, regardless. I wanted something harder and more acidic, so he put down DJ Bountyhunter's "Bountyhunter." It sounded vaguely familiar (how the HELL do you accurately describe techno?) and it got me moving a bit, and I liked the buzzy acidy chords repeated over and then broken, and the over again, so I said I'd take it. I got it home and listened to the whole track and found out it had some Boba Fett (or someone) samples from one of the Star Wars movies, and also found out that the track is fairly old -- from 1992, but oh well, it still sounds good, and isn't as recognizable as "Lock On Target," so it should wear well. Next he put down something slower and full of weird rythms and bobbling acid noises. I had actually heard this record before, and wasn't so sure about getting it, but last night something about it grabbed me. It was the Aphex Twin's "Universal Indicator" red label. It's not your typical "wind up the 303 and let it rip" acid track, there's some interesting changes and even periods of silence . . . the last track on one of the sides is a closed loop, and it took me a while to realize this :-) He pulled out another record, and put it on the turntable saying "Lenny played this at Atlantis." Well, if that wasn't enough to sell it to me, I don't know what is! Distorted 909 with outer-space analogue noises over it, and Darth Vader samples (gee, so I can play it right after the Bountyhunter thing to keep the Star Wars theme going). The date on this was also 1992, but I liked it so much I had to buy it. Note to Dave Mc Mahon: This *MIGHT* be the track that was playing when Chris grabbed us and said "isn't this the most beautiful track you've ever heard?" It's quite hard but not nosebleedy, the melodic parts are actually very nice -- they're just laid over a wicked drum that practically forces you to dance. Great for bass bin worshipping. I don't remember the name of the artists, but it was on Labworks and was called "The Return of Spoo." Laura P.S. To all you "Cousin Sal" watchers out there. I think the man really does have a soul -- look at what I found in _Under One Sky_ #8: 4 Voice - Music Hypnotizes (Fax, Germany) This is an excellent piece. Pure trance with a touch of breakbeat. I love it. This proves that a song doesn't have to be fast and brain bashing to be hardcore. Fantastic! If any of you have heard Ed either at "Passive Dose" or Sunshine, then you've heard this track. Lovely lovely trance, very peaceful yet energetic. So don't hate Sal too much for suggesting that a good track inspires a spleen flensing; try reviewing as many records as he does first (it's not easy)! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 12:05 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: tips on shopping in NYC A fair number of people have said things to me along the lines of "I don't like shopping in New York for records because they have such attitudes in the shops." I've never had any problems myself, but then I've been living in the New York area for 6 years now so maybe I'm just used to it. That said, here are a few tips on dealing with the record stores. (1) If you recognize the person working behind the tables get his attention when you come in and say hi. If you've talked to them before, "hi" is probably enough. If you haven't, or you know they probably don't know you or remember you, try "hi, I was at [ name of event/club you saw them at ]. You spun a [ pretty cool, way cool, wonderful, what- ever, it doesn't hurt to flatter a bit ] set there." Then leave him to whatever customers he's dealing with, and look around the shop for a while. (2) Sound like you know what you're after, and that you are intending to buy. I'm sure they must get annoyed by having a bunch of kids wander in day after day begging to hear tracks but not buying anything. Hey, it's a business, so what do you expect? Describe the styles, artists, or labels you're interested in and ask him to play anything that's come in that's along those lines. Tell him what you think so he'll better know what you're after. If you think something is boring, say so. If you love something, buy it. (3) When you're ready to go, thank him sincerely. This approach has worked at Vinymania, Disc-O-Rama, Planet X, and even Groove Records (the bastion of the somewhat socially inept Brooklyn posse). Happy hunting, Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Oz Lubling" Subject: APPLEPIE IS HERE!! Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 12:28:30 EST I just ftped a picture of dj applepie onto the ne-raves ftp site. The picture was taken at Donato's place early in the morning, while apple was balancing a ball on his head and holding a noize stick in his hand.. ENJOY!!!!!! :) cheers, oz -- ol@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T e c h n o H e a d >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: re-re-Reverse Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 12:42:00 -0500 (EST) Beyond the ultraworld of GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu: > > From: NAME: GOREHAMJ > To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu@internet > > Thanx Dave, but I meant Burlington, Vermont!!!! > That's where Reverse is,right? > So anyone know how long it takes to get to Reverse location from Boston? > Thanx > Safety from Jackie of JackieandJulie Depends on how you are going there... by car it's around 3 hours (a little less if you dont respect the speed limit) and by bus it's about 5 hours... Believe it or not, when i went to Boston some weeks ago, it took me 8 hours to get there and 10 hours to come back (to Montreal). By car, i have always made it under 5 hours... BTW, is it snowing back there? Yesterday i was in shorts, not an inch of snow to be seen, but today, we got about 25 cm (about 10 inches)! AARGH! Hope it all melts tommorow... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: You Hartford Dudes Are Slimey Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 12:49:34 EST I just had a mini-revelation concerning the 'United Techno' logo and name. I've seen the logo on jackets at a couple of events (including two of you at ManRay last night for Skrew/Overload/Grotus) and was sure I had seen it before. Today I started reading a paper from a company I have to visit next week and there it was... UNITED TECHNOlogies Research Center, East Hartford, Conn. and the appropriated logo right beside this name. Very clever, guys. Who decided to use this? Do you guys have stickers or something that I can discretely wear for my visit? I might be able to get into some restricted areas this way... I've enjoyed the dialogue concerning the pleasures of hardcore and the eventual breakbeat rebuttal from dieselBoy. I haven't heard anything recent from Germany's Force Inc. but am kind of surprised that they moved into the breakbeat arena. They used to be very 'acidic' i.e. Exit 100, Age, Skywalker. Could you recommend a specific bb track on this label dieselBoy? Of course, I agree with the poster who stated that any musical style that does something interesting with its constitutive components will have a compelling track. Unfortunately, because of the limited nature of the building blocks in MOST techno tracks this is a very rare occurrence. On this level playing field, I find hardcore the most instinctively appealing due to its visceral impact. As well, as Laura stated, it's about NOISE NOISE NOISE. Being both an avid collector of noise/ industrial music for the last 10 years [but never an 'industrial punk' alas] and an enjoyer of dancing I never thought it might be possible to merge the two. Believe me, there is no stronger hater of the beat than your typical noise enthusiast. Steadily over the past five years I have become more and more engrossed with the incorporation of elements such as repetition and noise in dance music. I think the first house track that really caught my imagination was 'House Nation' by the House Boys (?? - I believe Dion was asking about this track a couple of months ago) due to its hypnotic repetition of the title over a steady noisy backbeat. However it wasn't until Stakker's Humanoid (noisy + energy) and the KLF's original 'What Time Is Love?' (easily still my favourite 'trance' track) came out in 1988 that I was hooked. And now I see/hear elements of the original noise percussion groups from the early 80's such as Spain's Esplendor Geometrico, Test Dept. and some SPK [but none of the attitude!!] in some of the latest 'hardcore techno' tracks from Cybersonik, Brainstorm, X103, etc. Further illustration that what is shocking/distasteful at one time can attain widespread popularity at a later time with slightly different packaging. Purtty neat... -Chris Teixeira Nasty Acid Disc Of The Week: Bad Acid EP. on Total Output. thiswillmaimyou [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 14:00:38 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Subject: Force Inc Recommends ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 26 Chris Teixeira writes : > I've enjoyed the dialogue concerning the pleasures of hardcore > and the eventual breakbeat rebuttal from dieselBoy. I haven't > heard anything recent from Germany's Force Inc. but am kind > of surprised that they moved into the breakbeat arena. They > used to be very 'acidic' i.e. Exit 100, Age, Skywalker. Could you > recommend a specific bb track on this label dieselBoy? No problem. Check out : G104 - Mind Missle EP Alec Empire - suEcide 1, 2 and 3 Psychic Parasite - ReAnimator More From the Posse - Milk Volume 1 and Volume 2 Hard, percussive breaks with strange sounds (some are heavily 303 influenced). Also look for an EP by KillerLoops. Phat breaks that fuck you up. waiting..... dieselBoy -- ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: default X-Sun-Data-Description: default X-Sun-Data-Name: .signature X-Sun-Content-Lines: 4 dieselBoy.........................................................[1] ruffest damian@cislabs.pitt.edu...........................................[2] highbeat The syrup bottle shaped like a little boy ........................[3] breakcore -------------------------------(visit toytown)---------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: You Hartford Dudes Are Slimey Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 12:49:34 EST C.T. wrote: > I just had a mini-revelation concerning the 'United Techno' logo >and name. I've seen the logo on jackets at a couple of events >(including two of you at ManRay last night for Skrew/Overload/Grotus) >and was sure I had seen it before. Today I started reading a paper from >a company I have to visit next week and there it was... >UNITED TECHNOlogies Research Center, East Hartford, Conn. >and the appropriated logo right beside this name. Very clever, guys. Ahh... us Hartfordites with our sneaky ways and cool logos. too bad we don't have more cool raves and less cool jackets ;) doug ) ( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 11:39:28 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: XDZebra Promotion Info #1 TOTAL AND COMPLETE APRIL.FOOL.BAIT!!!!!!!! -mArK. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: dj gossip and conversational reviews Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 16:10:53 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) >4 Voice - Music Hypnotizes (Fax, Germany) ^^^^record label of the gods!!!!!!! yes, 4 voice is an unbelievable track, along with EVERYTHING else that comes out on FAX... iwant money.to buy fax records... check out also on fax: Hearts of space- with a medium into trance awesome. i spooge for trance. shalako. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Chris Brann Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 16:14:55 -0500 (EST) PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO NE RAVES chrisb from hundred monkeys atlanta, ga chrisb@penguin.gatech.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: tips on shopping in NYC Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 16:22:29 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i'd like to second laura's tips on dealing with nyc record stores...although i think her explanations could be abbridged to: (1) upon entering a nyc vinyl domain, bow before resident dj's. offer to clean their shoes. (2) front your own attitude. act like one of them, and not a grubby little amature dj that they've never heard of. talking with a heavy brooklyn homeboy accent helps a lot. throw some gangster signs. (3) upon leaving the nyc vinyl territory, bow before resident dj's. ask them once more if you can clean their shoes. this has worked for me, try it for yourselves! shannon. :) :) :) :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 16:22 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: tips on shopping in NYC Since Shannon and I have a all-encompassing flame war going on, I'd like to rebut this: >(1) upon entering a nyc vinyl domain, bow before resident dj's. offer to clean >their shoes. Saying hi and being polite works in all areas of life (granted I blew that one last week but we all make mistakes). If you don't know the DJ or hate their work, then don't say anything. I wasn't suggesting you be a brown nosing little creep, just be nice and pleasant and say nice things if necessary. >(2) front your own attitude. act like one of them, and not a grubby little >amature dj that they've never heard of. talking with a heavy brooklyn homeboy >accent helps a lot. throw some gangster signs. I wasn't saying to cop an attitude like theirs. I was talking about being an informed consumer, and asking for what you want directly rather than being vague and wishy-washy and stuff like that. This applies to just about ANY business out there, not just shopping in a DJ store. If you are going to have people wait on you, then tell them what you want. Otherwise, they'll go off and wait on someone else. >(3) upon leaving the nyc vinyl territory, bow before resident dj's. ask them >once more if you can clean their shoes. It never hurts to say please and thank you. No matter what kind of store I go into I say thanks when I leave. It's common courtesy, not bowing and scraping. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 16:38:04 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (standing there) Subject: Re: please put my name on the list . . . thanks In response to posts like this, and to people getting annoyed by them, I'm in the process of writing a sort of "listserver" program in perl for ne-raves-request (i.e. I won't do subscriptions coming from ne-raves@gnu anymore, and a computer will answer all mail coming in from ne-raves-request. ) It's not completed yet (give me a few more evenings awake on caffiene and no food and it'll be finished. Untill then, I'd like ideas / suggestions / what commands you think it should process. Currently, the code supports: SUB CALENDAR, SUB DISCUSS, UNSUB CALENDAR, UNSUB DISCUSS, STAT, INFO, WHO DISCUSS, WHO CALENDAR Pretty much self-explanatory. I'm considering adding a "Switch" command that will take a user who's on the calendar list and move him/her to the opposite list.. ideas? until then, send all subscription requestions to ne-raves-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu where they will be handled by me. :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 16:27 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: distances to Reverse Well, but then my mom could be wrong, so don't have a fit and start yelling at me. To me it looks more like about 4 hours. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 16:24 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: gas up your cars (Reverse) I was just looking at a map out of idle curiosity, and gee does Burlington look REALLY FAR from Boston. It's definately further away than Portland, ME would be from Boston . . . maybe by another hour and a half is what I'd guess. I used to live in western New Hampshire, pretty much on a straight line between Boston and Burlington. I just called my mom to ask her how long it took us to get to Boston from where we lived, and how long it would take us to get up to Burlington. The upshot of all this is that she said I wouldn't be lying if I told you all to plan on 5 hours to get from Boston to Burlington. This was a public service announcement from your resident map-freak. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 01 Apr 1993 16:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Subject: ..GLOBAL GROOVE...... Does anyone plan on going to Global Groove this Sat. in NYC?..... .....Caffeine on Fri or next Fri....NASA?......Also where can one get an invite to Global Groove so as to save a few bucks.....I plan on going to something in the NYC metro area while I'm home on L.I. for break.....Let me know if any of you NE ravers will be at any of these -ToNy_ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: distances to Reverse Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 17:07:53 -0500 (EST) Beyond the ultraworld of laura@usl.com: > > Well, but then my mom could be wrong, so don't have a fit and start > yelling at me. To me it looks more like about 4 hours. Montreal - Boston is 5 hours Montreal - Burlington is around 1:30, so i'd say Boston - Burlington would be around 3:30, maybe a bit less. That's me driving, so i dont know how everybody will do, and if the snow has cleared Vermont or not (still snowing here in MTL). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 17:13 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: ..GLOBAL GROOVE...... According to Will, who heard this from one of the doorpeople, Global Grooves was busted for some reason or another last weekend (don't know the reason). And, no one seems to know if it will really be going on this weekend or not. Will called the phone line, and they had the same message playing that they've had for the last two weeks. So who knows? If anyone can say for sure if it's really going on or not, please drop the list a line because I know at least three people other than myself that are thinking about going. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 18:08:16 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: Reverse I wanna go too. I need a ride. Can anyone help? /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 18:26:51 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: AFX Gifs and Jpgs of the Aphex Twin can be found at cs.uwp.edu under pub/incoming/pictures. There is also a rephlex gif/jpg at pub/incoming/pictures/alt.rave along with a picture of our friend Ben Middleton (DRN) :) --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 01 Apr 1993 19:00:39 -0500 From: ENDOYLE@amherst.edu I'd like to find out about upcoming raves in the area. Would you please subscribe me to the network so i can get a schedule and other info about the scene? Thanks. Elizabeth [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1993 20:06:59 EST From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Re-re-Reverse From: NAME: GOREHAMJ To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu@internet Thanx Dave,but I meant Burlington Vermont, or wherever Reverse is to be. So anyone know how long it takes to Rave local from Boston? Safety from Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1993 20:21:45 EST From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: NoSnowDave From: NAME: GOREHAMJ To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu@internet No, it's not snowing here, mucho rain though. It was lovely yesterday, frisbee and shorts, but bitter and miserable now. Hope your snow melts too. Not sure if I'll goto Vermont. Should be a good girl and work sunday. Plus my ride is ify. Safety from Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 20:20:40 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: BTTF & City Paper Hey, Was fingering through the City paper and came upon the city paper add. lo and behold! it has the changes that we have all been talking about on the list lately. some interesting info... -- Has listed N.R.G. and The SOURCE will be performing live acts. -- starts at 9p.m. gates open at 7:30 p.m. -- onionz is not listed as a d.j. -- tickets will also be on sale in virginia at Crystal Corner Springfield Mall Va. (703) 971.3925 -- from Washington D.C. take the beltway to Rt. 5. Go for 8 miles. Then think take left onto Brandywine Rd. (Rt. 381) and go 2 miles to Wilmer's Park. (BTTF) -- from Balt. take Rt. 301 to Brandywine Rd. Think take left go Brandywine Rd. 2 miles to Wilmer's Park (BTTF) -- for info call 202.331.4465 -- Rain or Shine: Indoor/Outdoor,Safe,Legal,Large Circus Tents doug ) ( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1993 20:37:03 EST From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Badges/ From: NAME: GOREHAMJ To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu@internet Badges anyone? Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Re-re-Reverse Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 22:17:35 -0500 (EST) Beyond the ultraworld of GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu: > > From: NAME: GOREHAMJ > To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu@internet > > Thanx Dave,but I meant Burlington Vermont, or wherever Reverse is to be. > So anyone know how long it takes to Rave local from Boston? > Safety from Jackie of JackieandJulie I was also talking about Burlington, Vermont. From Boston, it should take 3 hours and a half. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 21:19:33 -0600 (CST) From: 'none' Subject: the vibe hey kids i've seen alot of us hookin up sites at the raves and we will have a hook up located on our smart bar soon let me know if you are up for the same... i know dc an sf have hook ups available so lets connect groovin across the U.S. peaceout always da' rebel [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 22:48:09 EST From: susie Subject: record shopping i am most of the time terrified to go into record stores...cuz i have had reall y negative experiences, especially cuz i know very little about music... (an music now wins the award for being strange...) and it is times like these that i wish Norstroms sold music..... go to triumverent in laurel md...jeff and donny are really nice...(: partyon...susie(: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: NoSnowDave Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 22:25:02 -0500 (EST) Beyond the ultraworld of GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu: > > Hope your snow melts too. > Not sure if I'll goto Vermont. The snow is in Montreal, not in Burlington. It still snowing and it looks like it'll be the biggest spring snowfall in history (we also got the biggest snowfall ever. What you got south some weeks ago, was nothing compared to that!) > Should be a good girl and work sunday. > Plus my ride is ify. Several people are coming from Boston, so maybe you can find a lift. And speaking of lift, if anybody is from Montreal (if you are on Raving Up North, just check the info there) i can probably give a lift to Burlington. I'll probably be coming up with several people of R.U.N., the Montreal rave list). (Weather permitting of course, but i doubt the storm will continue till saturday!) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: David Sklar Subject: Prolonged Absence.... Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 21:36:29 PST picasso, the machine on which my acct. is on at Temple. Has a fried Hard disk. So that account is inaccessible. If anyone has anything they need to tell me, contact me at sklar@nes.nersc.gov. Mike--I got the pictures, they're sooper. Hope you got the check. Taylor--I hope you got the badge info and check.... Dave-O [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 02:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Blue Subject: NASA Hey, I'm not subscribed so please address mail to me directly....what about? OH! Yeah...if any of you out there go to NASA ever, I would appreciate you sending me comments on the vibe you get from it lately, or did get from it before, and any differences. Thanks! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 02:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Blue Subject: NASA Hey, I'm not subscribed so please address mail to me directly....what about? OH! Yeah...if any of you out there go to NASA ever, I would appreciate you sending me comments on the vibe you get from it lately, or did get from it before, and any differences. Thanks! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 08:15:07 -0500 From: cs202133 Subject: Future Rave! Can anyone out there that is going to go to Future Rave confirm the appearance of Aphex Twin and N.R.G.? Before I bought my ticket from Musicnow I went up to Modern Music in Baltimore and the owner was telling me that all these DJ's and stuff were dropping out. He was really being harsh! I think he was only trying to discourage me from going because his store isn't selling tickets and he s pissed about it. Peace, -Jay [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 02 Apr 1993 00:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: TUNE INN RAVE - NEW HAVEN, CT - IMPORTANT INFO! "cybernetic loop" is the name of it. you MUST buy tickets in advance for this rave. only 500 will be sold. for tickets call Dietrich at 203-627 5686 (united techno) tickets are limited. all the above info courtesy of dietrich (sitting right here in my bedroom) or.. you can also leave kreig zimmerman (mr. sparkle) email.. and he will pass the word to dietrich. peaceout. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 10:38:44 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: RIDE TO REVERSE! I ask again. Can anyone offer a ride to reverse? I will help pay gas, tolls, whatever.... /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@cs.umb.edu \/ Something Shakespeare never said is "you gotta be joking". [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 02 Apr 1993 11:10:40 -0500 (EST) From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Subject: .....UNSUSCRIBE ........SPRING BREAK!- Please unsuscribe me till I get back...... PeaceLoveHappiness -ToNy_ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: record shopping Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 12:45:19 -0500 (EST) Beyond the ultraworld of susie: > > i am most of the time terrified to go into record stores...cuz i have had reall > y negative experiences, especially cuz i know very little about music... > (an music now wins the award for being strange...) In Montreal people are nice at most of the shops (except Wow) but i wouldn't suggest people come to Montreal to buy vinyl or CD because it's expensive. However, when i was in Boston, i found that Boston Beat is a nice place. I picked up a lot of vinyls and listened to them directly on the system. I also asked the guy for some records i didn't see and he said: "well i do not have them, but i can order them for you". Of course he didn't know i was from Montreal... > partyon...susie(: Susie make smileys =) reversed... first time i see that! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: houghton@sas.upenn.edu (Stephen P. Houghton) Subject: intro and badges Date: Fri, 2 Apr 93 13:12:56 EST Jello, everBOOTY, and esp. Jackie, if I may call you that, I am a recent subscribe to neraves, and this whole email deal. What do I do to get a badge, what info do I provide you, $, and the like? I am here in Philly shaking my butt to groovy toons since 87. Now that I run my own vibe (no more Ma and Pa in the burbs) I am free to frolick wherever and whenever. However, I don't shake it enough due to this school thing and my monetary constraints. Hook me up please, and let me know. Won't be at Future or Reverse, gotta study (yeah right, I'll probably be out having fun with my queer hunney Mike, or fighting with him, or getting pierced, again) :) Merci, cherie! boy prince albert Stephen [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 01 Apr 1993 15:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: LSD IS THE BOMB Subject: Place to stay in DC on THURS.? Is there anyone on the list in DC who could possibly put me up for the night tonight [thursday]? I'll probably be arriving sometime between 10:30 and 1am . If anyone does have the space please e-mail me your phone #-I'll probably only be able to check messages once more b4 i take off. I'll see everyone at Back to the Future!! Tarek [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1993 13:31:00 EST From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Re-TuneinRave From: NAME: GOREHAMJ To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu@internet When is this Rave? Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 09:27:52 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: 808-state & MBManifesto Howdy: 808------statE & Meat Beat Maniffffffesto are playing in New Haven at Toad's soon... I have heard three different days...which is the real day they are jammin' and who's goin' ???? tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 16:02:22 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ TUNE-INN RAVE? }== is this happening on the 10th? tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 16:05:05 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: MeatBeat/808 State TROCADERO - PHILLY Saturday April 24th 808 State, MeatBeat Manifesto, Supreme Lovegods. All Ages, 8pm, $13.50 --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 02 Apr 93 19:26:37 EST From: susie Subject: future/crash/afterparty hiya people...doug and i can let people crash back at our dorms after future... so if you would like to email or call us for instructions...also rumor has it there will be an after party at trax...also i would like some suggestions on a meeting place or time...where ne/dc/se/sf ravers could all meet inside future.. .i was thinking like midnight near the gyrobix or the clubhouse there...cuz most of you don't have badges ....and some don't know what they look like... btw they are neon green and pink...or large and black and white...and we are wo rking on getting vrave hooked up at both future (phred? inhuman?) and vision (b rian?)...partyon...susie (: ps i don't do my smileys reversed, you all do...(: susie 202 885 7135 sk2479a@american.edu doug 202 885 7092 dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 02 Apr 1993 19:32:44 -0400 (EDT) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: united techno coats... if you give us a warehouse we'll stop making coats and throw another party,says mr.trash... at least we've cornered the rave coat market, and if other rave promoters no names,mike regan.. start being more honest and don't charge people who promote and flyer for him to get in.... anyways, we are waiting to find out about a space for may 15th we'll know next week peace out, x-out (that message courtesy of dietrich, not taylor.. 'cos dietrich doesn't have his own account yet...) trance out too.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 00:18 EDT From: HITMAN Subject: Test - Rave in Boston! Hi this is a test to see if I can post. BA [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 01:17 EDT From: HITMAN Subject: Rave in Boston! Hello all, My friends and I are planning a Rave in Boston for either 4/40 or 5/1. We would like to test the waters and see how many people are interested before we lock onto the place to have it. Most likely it will be help in Boston near the waterfront. Facility will have lots of parking and will be easy to get to via car or trains. Let me know if you are interested in coming. Further info to everyone who replies. BA [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Regis C Phelan Subject: maydya Date: Sat, 3 Apr 93 1:50:49 EST does anyone know who sings "mayday". it goes "mayday, mayday, mayday" thanks til death do us rave phelanre@student.msu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:00:51 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: future/crash/afterparty I'm still planning on going though I need a solid line on a ride. I can bring my laptop if it looks like there will be a way to hook up. Will stay in touch . . . [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: FUTURE/CRASH/AFTERPARTY From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Fri, 2 Apr 93 23:07:00 -0500 -> hiya people...doug and i can let people crash back at our dorms after -> future... so if you would like to email or call us for -> instructions...also rumor has it there will be an after party at -> trax...also i would like some suggestions on a meeting place or -> time...where ne/dc/se/sf ravers could all meet inside future.. .i was -> thinking like midnight near the gyrobix or the clubhouse there...cuz -> most of you don't have badges ....and some don't know what they look -> like... btw they are neon green and pink...or large and black and -> white...and we are wo rking on getting vrave hooked up at both future -> (phred? inhuman?) and vision (b rian?)...partyon...susie (: ps i -> don't do my smileys reversed, you all do...(: susie 202 885 7135 -> sk2479a@american.edu -> doug 202 885 7092 dz5401a@american.edu So gyrobix or the clubhouse would be the meeting place? I'd really like to meet ya'll people! hehe... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 07:58:02 -0500 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: reverse directions/sleeping quarters???? help! I need the directions and a place to stay after for a few hours...can anybody help ???? (I will have a car load of 5 people) Thank you!!! Love and Frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Boston - save this Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 13:07:29 -0500 (EST) Ok, after answering this 3 times, i'll post it before my mbox is overflowed. Boston Beat 80 Bennington St East Boston, MA (617) 561-4790 fax: (617) 561-5890 If i remember correctly it's near airport station on the blue line (T). (Or maybe the station before) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: An interesting find Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 13:28:56 -0500 (EST) Yesterday i bought a CD comp that has been out for some time in France (about 3-4 months) but now is domestic in Canada. Now, this may be of limited use to most of you because francophone imports are extremely rare in the states, but still, if you find it: Mylene Farmer - Dance remixes - Polydor 314517 557-2 distributed in Canada by Polygram 2 CD, 15 songs, (6 mins and up each) On it you find remixes of songs she made from 1987 to 1992. Some combine english and french, some french only. It ranges from hip hop inspired to techno (enigma genre) to hi-nrg. Mylene Farmer is mainstream here because she is a well known artist and was born here, but i think it would have potential in clubs in the US (and raves too - i will definitely use it) BTW, even if she is a mainstream artist, the remixes are not. Warning: this has a melody. Not advised for "Rotterdam only" people. The price in CDN is $20.99, but Archambault in Montreal sells it for $16.99 and they do mail order. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 01 Apr 1993 15:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: LSD IS THE BOMB Subject: Place to stay in DC on THURS.? Is there anyone on the list in DC who could possibly put me up for the night tonight [thursday]? I'll probably be arriving sometime between 10:30 and 1am . If anyone does have the space please e-mail me your phone #-I'll probably only be able to check messages once more b4 i take off. I'll see everyone at Back to the Future!! Tarek [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 02 Apr 1993 00:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: TUNE INN RAVE - NEW HAVEN, CT - IMPORTANT INFO! "cybernetic loop" is the name of it. you MUST buy tickets in advance for this rave. only 500 will be sold. for tickets call Dietrich at 203-627 5686 (united techno) tickets are limited. all the above info courtesy of dietrich (sitting right here in my bedroom) or.. you can also leave kreig zimmerman (mr. sparkle) email.. and he will pass the word to dietrich. peaceout. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 93 15:50:04 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (senses working overtime) Subject: Re: Boston - save this Boston beat is a bit of a walk from the East Boston T line, in a slimy part of town :) But a good record store nonetheless.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 16:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: i'll be at BTTF... Hey, mikeybee here... I'll be at Future tonite! I'll be wearing a black Stupid t-shirt(looks like the Stussy logo) and baggy jeans. I'll also be wearing laminates inc. ne-raves badge and cybertribe sticker. And I'll be making alot of noise and having a good time... mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - "We're not post-House. We're post-everything. Actually, everyone else is just pre-St. Etienne." ---Bob Stanley, St.Etienne "Aw, Mike, all you think about is two things: sex and me." ---dieselBoy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Mike Battaglia...........mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu...... raving into the 21st century >>>lamb chop<<< [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 16:49 EDT From: ST933352@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subject: Re: MAYDAY MAYDAY was the tune for the second MAYDAY-rave in Germany. Westbam is the guy behind it. IT's on Low Spirit Records in Berlin Also on licence in US URBO, DJ APPLEPIE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 93 17:17:53 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (adventure) Subject: Ne-Raves RequestServer *SAVE THIS MESSAGE* Because of the overwhelming demand on me to handle subscription/unsubscription requests, I wrote and installed a server program to handle incoming mail for ne-raves-request and ne-raves-cal-request. Communicating with it is just like any other listserver, and here's the help file from it, incase anyone wants to play with it or test it out. Feel free to beat on it; I'd like to make sure the code is fairly bugproof. I'll only be handling unsubscription requests for people who just can't seem to get on or off the list through the server program... -----------------------------------------------------------------> John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Me at BTTF Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 17:44:52 -0500 (EST) I WILL make it to future...I will am wearing a blue hooded sweatshirt that says 'GIJOHN' on the logo...or a black long sleeve shirt w/ a lollipop on the front...I have a green back pack...unless I am wearing a hat, you might look for the white guy w/ dreads in his hair...I will try to be at the gyrobix (?) at midnight...LOOK FOR ME PLEASE :) |\ . ______ * __John Rainbow Humphrey__ | \ _ | | + john_humphrey@ncsu.edu + <--personal mail here | \ _ | | - + humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu + <--or here | \ | | - + jrhumphr@eos.ncsu.edu + |e___\ |______|/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1993 19:03:31 -0500 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Reverse Ride available i have room for one person...call me by 7:30pm...738-2559 Love and frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 03:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Blue Subject: RAVESTOCK You don't want to miss this event!!! June 19th and 20th, upstate NY *******RAVESTOCK******* Call (212) 330-8233 in the tri-state area, or 1-800-4RAVELINE for more info. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Hussein.Yahia@inria.fr Subject: Re: An interesting find Date: Sun, 04 Apr 93 16:16:08 +0200 >>Yesterday i bought a CD comp that has been out for some time in France >>(about 3-4 months) but now is domestic in Canada. Now, this may be of >>limited use to most of you because francophone imports are extremely rare in >>the states, but still, if you find it: >>Mylene Farmer - Dance remixes - Polydor 314517 557-2 >>distributed in Canada by Polygram >>2 CD, 15 songs, (6 mins and up each) >>On it you find remixes of songs she made from 1987 to 1992. Some combine >>english and french, some french only. It ranges from hip hop inspired to >>techno (enigma genre) to hi-nrg. Mylene Farmer is mainstream here because >>she is a well known artist and was born here, but i think it would have >>potential in clubs in the US (and raves too - i will definitely use it) >>BTW, even if she is a mainstream artist, the remixes are not. WHAAAAT ???? You must be kidding. Here in France they play that farmer bullshit evry nite and day !!! Why not playing Frank Sinatra in raves while you're at it... hussein [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 07:54:37 -0700 Subject: Re: RAVESTOCK > June 19th and 20th, upstate NY > *******RAVESTOCK******* > Call (212) 330-8233 in the tri-state area, > or 1-800-4RAVELINE for more info. > You don't want to miss this event!!! Oh yes we do... anything that "KNOWS" it's gonna be as significant as Woodstock is doomed to failure from the start. If a "Ravestock" is gonna happen it's got to happen naturally, and not try to be a clone of an event before most people were born. (Next thing you know they'll have World Rave 1 and the Civil Rave and the American Rave-O-Lution) I have a lot to say about what the rave equivalent of Woodstock would be like, but we'vbe been through the whole shebang before on sfraves. Suffice it to say....I'd like to see an event of mammoth proportions take place that would shake society to its roots and make them realize we're not a "they" object but an "us" object, that raves are a fundamentally GOOD thing for people of all ages to do, and mostly to NOT FEAR US, but I don't think Woodstock accomplished that for the 60's hippies so I really wonder if "Ravestock" ever could. Woodstock was a watershed for a lot of what was happening in the 60's, but it also encapsulated everything that was wrong about the hippies to everyone who didn't go. I mean, what's gonna happen if three people happen to overdose on something, out of the (20,000? 200,000?) people expected to show? Would the media show that as "proof" that raves are dangerous for us? That's what happened in the UK, and they caused the authorities to pass a law making playing amplified music outside ILLEGAL. What we need is a grass-roots education effort to show non-ravers that we are NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS, and that raves can do a lot of good in this crazy world of ours. I think even a lot of people who go dancing twice every weekend have a lot to learn too.... but anyways this is straying from the subject. All I could say to the organizers of Woodstock is: stay legit, have a good, clean party, don't overcharge, watch out for your attendees, and don't let any doubt seep into people's minds about your motives. A lot is riding on it. If this is as big as you claim the world will be watching. Brian p.s. - never post after dancing all night. It's very dangerous. Witness the above garbage.... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 93 08:27:35 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Future- how was it? I know most of you east coasters are probably ectoplasmic jelly today.. the day after the Future event... When you recover,however..we'd love to hear how it went.. -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: An interesting find Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 13:08:00 -0500 (EDT) Note: this is not a flame. Lots of interesting info, so please read. Toi, aussi hussein. Beyond the ultraworld of Hussein.Yahia@inria.fr: > > >>Mylene Farmer - Dance remixes - Polydor 314517 557-2 > >>distributed in Canada by Polygram > > WHAAAAT ???? You must be kidding. Here in France they play > that farmer bullshit evry nite and day !!! Why not playing > Frank Sinatra in raves while you're at it... > > hussein Typical answer from France, land of i-love-anything-americans-do-and-i-dish- everything-from-here. I didn't say to play it at raves in France, i said in the states. Now maybe these remixes have been playing all the time in France, but not around here (all the radio stations have had these remixes on singles at the same time it was out in France, since 1989 but they have only played "je t'aime melancolie", which BTW has a wicked acid loop and a nice hip hop beat). Lets take some examples of what you think is rave material, and see if it never charted (or got massive airplay). Apotheosis "O Fortuna": charted number 1 on several stations in Montreal Moby "Next is the E": charted number 1 too Pleasure games "Le dormeur": charted number 1 Snap "exterminate": charted number 1 Most everything from 2 unlimited charted too LA STYLE "JBID" and "I'm Raving" charted (dont remember how well) Enigma - "mea culpa" and another charted at number 1 Less dance? ok: FSOL "Papua New Guinea": charted number 6 at CKOI (number 1 at CISM) Brian Eno "Fractal zoom": charted number 4 at CHOM (number 8 at CISM) The orb "little fluffy clouds": charted (dont remember how well) A lot of KLF, Yellow and Art of Noise charted too. Playing with knives (Bizarre inc), N'aie pas peur (Angel Ice), Open your mind (Usura)etc... were all huge hits in Europe, yet in Montreal they have yet to see the airwaves (except at CISM and CKUT). The thing is, Mylene Farmer is unknow in the states, so anybody playing it ("We'll never die" or "Allan", for example) will be sure to play something people have never heard. Of course it's not hardcore techno, but then i do not limit myself to that. "Open you mind..." Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: s i n e w a v e Subject: keyboard equipment wanted: Date: Sun, 4 Apr 93 14:42:19 EDT a friend and i are on the look out for the following items: * Digitech Vocalist vocal synthesizer/enhancer * Roland TR.909 drum machine * Fender/Chroma Polaris multitimbral analogue synthesizer * Sequential Six/Multi-Trak multitimbral analogue synthesizer * Moog, Serge, Paia, or Buchla analogue synthesizer modules or components if you have any of the following items, or similar goods, please e-mail or call tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu or 614.299.9529 thanks! sines -- /\ /\ _________________s i n e w a v e___________________ /\ /\ / \ / \ / todd sines: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu \ / \ / \ / \/ \/ 384 e17th ave, columbus, oh 43201 614 299 9529 \/ \/ \ analogue / analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Sample and crossposting Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 15:20:08 -0500 (EDT) Ok, i have received several email about two things: 1- if it was possible to sample 1 track from the dual CD comp and put it on ftp. Well, let's see: for example we'll take "Beyond my control" (godforsaken mix) which is 8:03. 44.1Ks/s, 16 bits, stereo, that's 176400 bytes x 483 seconds = 85 201 200 bytes which is about 81 Mb. 8) What i can do is to sample at 22K, 8 bit, for a minute, which would correspond to about 1 Mb, and packed about 600Kb. Which ftp site should i use? uwp? media? A sub question was: what's the best single from M F? I would say Beyond my control (godforsaken mix) which is a cross of Enigma, Adamski and Mylene Farmer of course. It is available as a 12" and a cd single. 2- "Do not post to bpm and ne-raves each time" Then how can i reach all the people who i think could be interested (and who know what kind of music i listen to)? Is everybody from bpm on ne-raves too? I would doubt that... I tought it was an interesting subject for both list: to use music designed for a market and put it in another niche (bracket)... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 04 Apr 1993 15:25:31 -0400 (EDT) From: RLC2799@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: black dog has anyone heard the black dog prod. bytes comp.? any input? ray [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 93 17:46:50 -0400 From: allon@intercon.com (Allon Stern) Subject: Re: Future- how was it? > I know most of you east coasters are probably ectoplasmic jelly today.. >the day after the Future event... When you recover,however..we'd love to >hear how it went.. >-Chris. Wow. It was GREAT! Bad things: too much mud charge for parking people asking for drugs too cold outside too hot inside a few technical problems, but this was mostly ironed out quickly DJ's with big egos Good things: Great vibe! Many people The people were very friendly Pretty good light show (but no lasers! WAAAH!) Some vendors were actually selling things at REASONABLE prices! :) Met lots of people from NE-raves For the most part, everybody seemed to be having a good time. In the outdoor arena, they should have set up the speakers more reasonably, rather than in two stacks pointing straight back... That created two sweet spots with a dead spot in the middle. I really liked the atmosphere of this outdoor rave...I hope to attend another sometime :) I just happened to have a kite in my car, so I loaded it with glow sticks and tried to get it in the air, but there just wasn't enough wind... :( For those of you who may have met me there, I was wearing a silly medival- style hat, four differently colored glowsticks, and was handing out chocolate covered espresso beans and rock candy. You're right though...I'm still ectoplasmic jelly....should have waited until I recovered....oh well :) Rave on. -- Allon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 17:04:12 -0500 From: "a disgruntled K-mart employee" Subject: lost my rave-o-matic... could someone email me the rave-o-matic from last week. I lost mine and in case noone has noticed everything seems to be gone on media lab!? What happened with that? Anyway, if someone could send the list that would be great. Thanks Chris ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ cmellow@well.sf.ca.us "The mind is time and space surrounding, pounding, getting down." -digable planets ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 17:59:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Blue Subject: Re: RAVESTOCK About your comments Brian...I don't know exactly how to do that nifty include excerpts of your text thing....so I hope you all remember what he said. Yeah...it would be great if you called 1-800-4RAVELINE and left a message saying all that. In general, though, and strictly in my opinion, and I have nothing to do with running the event, I think that RAVESTOCK doesn't mean to be another Woodstock or anything like that. It basically appropriated the name and tried to appropriate the location in the way ad labels are appropriated. It's both a homage and mocking it...you know, kinda postmodern. It's not gonna be nearly as big, I'm pretty sure its gonna be legal, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed about the cost. Be positive about it though! There are gonna be some great DJs there, and hopefully a lot of happy people. If the regular crew I rave with in NY goes (and I really don't think they're gonna miss it) it should be very, very good. Rave is what you do with it. So, instead of going and expecting them to blow my mind, I'm gonna do it myself. =) Peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: David Byman Subject: please put me on the distribution list Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 18:43:17 -0400 (EDT) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 19:00:35 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Reverse... Wow, only 1, 2, 3, 4 ne-ravers to count...taylor, vanessa, tareq, and i!!! The people we were with were wonderful though the crowd was not! If anyone thought the word alcohol could be identified with the dc scene, you haven't been to vermont! The people at the rave were not as heavily into their drinks as those i have witnessed at the dc area raves i went to, but the afterhours was held at a fully serviced bar! Vanessa and i left immediately and got our money back while we went to breakfast and waited to pick up our car passengers... :) This was obviously a fault in the organizing of the rave, i am sorry but i do not accept the idea of going to a rave/afterhours where alcohol is served! That is the overwhelming memory i have of reverse! Oh well... Love and Frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1993 21:18:07 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: ESREVER report i just got home ... and am running on the usual 34 hours - no sleep thing... anyway.. reverse, up in vermont, was pretty darn cool. the ne-raves posse was pretty skimpy.. but rather cozy. neith, vanessa, tareq (flew out from ohio.. i love when he does that...hardcore) and myself. we were all on the lookout for francois, from canada.. but failed to spot someone with a cd around their necks...were you there francois? the rave was in a lodge type of place that is used for country/western nights. it was a good setting...and, it worked well... right around 1000 people showed up.. which was quite a good surprise for the people that threw it... tho, it was rather crowded for most of the night. the crowd was good. there seemed to be a lot of local industrial kids jumping around.. but, they seemed to be enjoying themselves... the music was so-so... the first dj who came on.. someone from cananda was ABSOLUTELY MIND BLOWING. he played the spaciest, swirliest grooviest trance that i've ever heard a dj spin... i was lost right away.. however.. the blissful music ended with him.. most of the night was halfway decent breakbeat. tho, dante did a realy nice set of trancey, triba progressive house.. and the night ended up with a place called bliss doing some rather groovy deep house.. i didn't have much energy all night, 'cos i didn't do a lot of dancing... so, the energy level wasn't there for me.. the best part of the evening was being with my ne-raves friends and the united techno gang that i went with...i had a great time with everyone.. even tho the music wasn't exactly to my liking.. (hardly any 303's all night.. :( ) ahh.. that's about it i guess.. it was cool.. on the EdScale of -4 to +4... i'd give it a 1. it was above average...but, not spectacular.. hmm.. yeah, that's it. perhaps neith or jetta or tareq will be more coherent. peace to all. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 20:47 EST From: vjw Subject: in a barn, it was More on Reverse... Well, due to misjudging the distance between Boston and Burlington, Neith and I didn't end up arriving there until after the first dj...:(...maybe even the second? I don't know (we got there around 2am). It was very very very cool to see other ne-ravers (even though there were only 2...that I knew of)...hugs to Taylor :), wfs to Neith for the LONG haul there, the actual event, and the LONG haul BACK...:) :) :) I think I saw you, Francois--I saw someone wearing a cd around his neck, but I didn't know that was what identified you (call me clueless...). Oh-- and another thing... Do I really look all that much like Polida? :) luff 'n wfs Vanessa (Jetta) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: ESREVER report Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 21:49:40 -0500 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of an excursion through technospace: > > > > > > i just got home ... and am running on the usual 34 hours - no sleep thing... > > > anyway.. > > reverse, up in vermont, was pretty darn cool. the ne-raves posse was pretty > skimpy.. but rather cozy. neith, vanessa, tareq (flew out from ohio.. i love > when he does that...hardcore) and myself. we were all on the lookout for > francois, from canada.. but failed to spot someone with a cd around their > necks...were you there francois? > > the rave was in a lodge type of place that is used for country/western nights. > > it was a good setting...and, it worked well... > > right around 1000 people showed up.. which was quite a good surprise for the > people that threw it... tho, it was rather crowded for most of the night. > > the crowd was good. there seemed to be a lot of local industrial kids jumping > around.. but, they seemed to be enjoying themselves... > > the music was so-so... the first dj who came on.. someone from cananda was > ABSOLUTELY MIND BLOWING. he played the spaciest, swirliest grooviest trance > that i've ever heard a dj spin... i was lost right away.. however.. the > blissful music ended with him.. most of the night was halfway decent breakbeat. > tho, dante did a realy nice set of trancey, triba progressive house.. and the > night ended up with a place called bliss doing some rather groovy deep house.. > > i didn't have much energy all night, 'cos i didn't do a lot of dancing... so, > the energy level wasn't there for me.. > > the best part of the evening was being with my ne-raves friends and the united > techno gang that i went with...i had a great time with everyone.. even tho the > music wasn't exactly to my liking.. > > (hardly any 303's all night.. :( ) > > > ahh.. that's about it i guess.. it was cool.. on the EdScale of -4 to +4... > i'd give it a 1. it was above average...but, not spectacular.. > > > hmm.. > > yeah, that's it. > > perhaps neith or jetta or tareq will be more coherent. > > peace to all. > > > >>taylor.808 > > > -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: in a barn, it was Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 21:56:33 -0500 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of vjw: > > More on Reverse... > Well, due to misjudging the distance between Boston and Burlington, Neith > and I didn't end up arriving there until after the first dj...:(...maybe > even the second? I don't know (we got there around 2am). At what time did you leave?? > I think I saw you, Francois--I saw someone wearing a cd around his neck, but > I didn't know that was what identified you (call me clueless...). Nope, i wasn't there. And my CD is special: red with diagonal white stripes (same as my telephone headset i sometimes use to mix and is a real conversa- tional piece... ) I feel really bad that i wasn't there and everybody was looking for me. Ah, well... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: ESREVER report Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 22:17:17 -0500 (EDT) Sorry about that! elm problem. > Beyond the ultraworld of an excursion through technospace: > > when he does that...hardcore) and myself. we were all on the lookout for > > francois, from canada.. but failed to spot someone with a cd around their > > necks...were you there francois? I wasn't there. I had arranged a trip with several members of RUN, but they all canceled (just minutes before i rented a chrysler minivan, by chance). So, i was wondering if i would take my volvo, but decided it was too risky, since it was still snowing and my winter tires are finished. I didn't have time to go to a garage and put my four seasons back on my mags, so i had to stay home. snif. It's the second time i organise a trip and people drop out at the last second, so it is the last time i do such a thing. Next time i go in my car and if i dont have room for everybody, tough luck. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: this is the future... no future... From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 93 21:24:14 EST Well, we got started a little late, but by about midnight the two car caravan of Ben Jaffe, Me, Susie, Doug, Oz, Apple Pie, Polida, and some other people whose names I can't remember, were on our way. We got there without too much trouble to find a line of cars about a mile long waiting to get into the event. We waited in this massive traffic jam for about a half an hour, moving one car at a time. At one point Ben spotted someone with a cat in the hat hat and overalls and a sign that said "Danger... hardhat area" or something like that. I hadn't read your post yet, Christopher, but Ben had... so we found Christopher. Imagine our surprise when Laura was nowhere in sight!!! :-) Just kidding... she was there later. As we were parking (x-tra $2), NRG came on yapping and screaming about immigration officials giving them a hard time or something. We got inside just in time for I Need Your Lovin'. (I honestly don't like that song that much) The space was setup like this: There was a big stage with lots of intellabeams and other lights and stuff. All the vendors were set up in a U shape, facing the stage, underneath a canopy, with the dance "floor" in the middle of the U. It was REALLY muddy. Parts of the ground were alright to dance on, but in other parts your foot would literally sink six inches into the ground. The first DJ after NRG was Keoki (they announced him and all the DJs like it was a prize fight). The sound system was fucked. It sounded like they were trying to pump 100,000 watts through 10,000 watt speakers, because there was all this distortion. Also the mixer was broken as Frankie Bones elegantly informed us ("yo yo washington... we're havin tech-ni-cal difficulties!"). So $60,000 and their sound still sucked. They did get it fixed around 3 or 4. Keoki spun a weird broken set with this strange song that had a baby crying in it. It was really weird and disturbing but it got me moving. Somewhere around this time we ran into the other northern posse of DeiselBoy, Mike B, and others... I can't remember who else, sorry. It was still cool meeting you all. :-) Oh, I we also saw Shannon at Big Fun House. (you seemed pretty cold and sick! hope you feel better!) Then we finally ran into Sin & Fluid & Fran & others... Good to see you all! Lenny Dee came on next and spun some incredible hardcore. I *really* got moving then... Wow... I wish he had spun all night. It was so cold outside that I never really got hot or thirsty or even tired. I just needed to keep moving. Then the Source came on... they were alright but nothing special. I think Lenny Dee came back on after that and then Scott Henry for a half hour set. Then NRG insisted on pushing their way back onstage for an encore. God I hate live techno, especially when they have an MC. Then they shut down... around six. Everyone was shuffled to the after party at Tracks. It was funny because Ben didn't realize it but he was leading a caravan of about ten cars and when he took a wrong turn and wound up circling around the block EVERYONE followed. It was really funny looking. We eventually made it there... I was optimistic about the afterparty, but it seems that Tracks is Tracks is Tracks no matter what time of day it is. Apparently all the club rats stayed up all night long, because everywhere you looked there were bare-chested men in skin tight leather and women in mini-skirts and high heels. Half of the people there were ravers trying to chill out and the other half were club rats looking confused. It made for an interesting mix. The clubbies tended to stay on the house dance floor while the ravers tended to stay in the (normally industrial) trance dance room with the visuals and all. I actually heard Prodigy played in the house room. Ugh... the DJ in the trance room was good... I don't know who it was. But the music wasn't that inspiring and my energy finally gave out so Ben and I left. On my way out a cute girl ran up to me and tapped me on the shoulder... her: Hey, my friend over here likes you... Are you gay? me: Uh, no... her: bisexual? me: No... her: Well would you like to meet him anyway? He's really cute! me: Uh, I'm just on my way out... sorry.. Heh.. I must say that's the first time someone has sent an "agent" to try and hit on me. OH!! I almost forgot... while we were driving to Tracks we saw this big white van on the highway with an NE-Raves sticker on it. It took me about five seconds to make the realization... Mars! I waved my badge out the window at them and they followed us to Tracks. Unfortunately I lost track of them when we parked and I never did meet you guys! Oh well... next time. (are you still on the net, Mars?) Anyway, it was fun because of the all the people that were there. The music was too broken up to be really enjoyable. The ground was too wet to make for good dancing. It was too cold to hang out... So it sucked but it was fun... :-) Michael | "I've begun to wonder if we wouldn't (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | also regard spelunkers as desperate | criminals if AT&T owned all the ...trance form...trance send... | caves." --John Perry Barlow [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 22:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Future- how was it? (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Sun, 4 Apr 1993, Chris wrote: > I know most of you east coasters are probably ectoplasmic jelly today.. > the day after the Future event... When you recover,however..we'd love to > hear how it went.. > -Chris. Future was a flop in my opinion, what saved it for me was the afterhours at Trax and meeting some of the dc-ravers (didn't meet any ne-ravers I guess I need a badge, Taylor???) Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Archives at media... Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 22:31:36 -0500 (EDT) What happened to the archives at media.mit.edu? It's empty! Can anybody send me the latest ROM and the latest club list? Thanks! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 04 Apr 1993 23:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: JASCHOENLY@vaxsar.vassar.edu Subject: Future size So, for those of you who went to Back to the Future, how many people would you say were there? I was just wondering if it was really the biggest rave ever on the east coast. Do you think that the predicted 8000 people showed up? jacob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dmn@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (daNg) Subject: future Date: Sun, 4 Apr 93 23:13:02 EDT okay, future sucked at first, b/c i almost lost one of my shoes in the mud, but i finally met up with fran, alan, kreig, and cindy, and then went on to find doug, polida, etc. inside was too hot but would've been really nice if it weren't so crowded. does franki bones have an attitude or what? cindy, how do you like east-coast hawdcoah? :) the sound was bad, the speakers on both sides of the stage kept alternating, going on and off. i lost my nose ring, but a guy that took the bus down w/me gave me a replacement. met shannon at the fun house, did he look cold or what? :) we finally left around 6, and it took forever to get to tracks, b/c the bus driver kept getting lost, but we made it there, and i found fran, etc. also met a lot of other ne-ravers whom i don't remember too well, mike b, inhuman, etc. sorry to the rest of you. finally got home at about 3pm, and i was stilled full of energy and ended up dancing in the courtyard of my dorm w/a tootsie pop in my mouth. :) the people here must think i'm weird. anyways, i'm going to go rest now. daNg. _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ dmn@eniac.seas.upenn.edu _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: borst@server.cs.jhu.edu Subject: ...sending you Back To The Future! Date: Sun, 04 Apr 93 23:16:07 EDT Well, all in all I had a pretty good time. I got there around midnight with my neophyte raver friend Bill from JHU. We wandered around for a bit and got our bearings. The main area was a big field surrounded on three sides by vendors' booths, and on the other by the stage. There was also the "Big Fun House", which played some housy/trancy stuff. I spent most of my time outside, which was _really_ muddy. I almost lost my shoes several times! Lessee: high points for the evening included: - The Source's set. Really good hard trance. I'm going to have to find this guy's stuff. - NRG, while they weren't complaining about Boston Immigration, were sort of fun. And, since this was an east coast rave, they naturally played "I Need Your Lovin'" TWICE during the night. - Lenny Dee and Keoki doing a play by play of the technical difficulties. Every time LD did his MC bit ("Make some fuckin' noise!") I couldn't help but laugh, it was so comical. - My brush with stardom. At one point during Keoki's set, I noticed someone standing about five feet in front of me, wearing a really cool XL Recordings jacket. Slowly, I recognized him as Lenny Dee himself! - Meeting so many ne-,dc-,and se-ravers. Let's see: Sin, Susie, Doug & Mr. Sparkle (you guys look _so_ much alike! :-), Inhuman, Ben, Fluid, Fran, Yoram, XtoFer, Laura, Paul, etc... And I guess I even missed a few, like the Boston folx, who managed to evade my grasp. :-) - The after-party at Tracks. I had a hamburger for breakfast (bleah!) and washed it down with some really happy music, direct from SF! And I got such a rush when they played the Nighttripper's "Tone Exploitation". This track managed to reenergize me, even after a long night and a return trip to Baltimore to drop off Bill before getting to Tracks. So, I had a lot of fun. BTTF made me look forward to the summer, and the possibility of other outdoor events. If the temperature had been a bit higher, and the ground a bit harder, it would have been better. And I even managed to escape from the heart of DC with minimal trouble. Driving in the city still freaks me out (what's with the quadrants, anyway? Nothing but trouble.), but I even navigated the circles like a pro! :-) So what of the future? (No pun intended, really... :-) I'm taking a week's break for Balticon, and then it's down to Charlottesville and Krusty's II for me. Hope to see some of you there! Later, Scottbo borst@cs.jhu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 22:49:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: Future Comments This rave had real problems . . . Really sloppy production. I'll think real hard before going to an $18 rave again there was absolutely nothing to justify this price. If they had a few gimmicky things like gyrobix or a moonbounce (lava did both, better for less) it would justify that kind of price. Charging for parking - Why? we were in the middle of nowhere and we parked in a field - if it was in a city I could understand - but Brandywine? The sound system inside was fine for Josh Wink's set but after that it had no high end. I couldn't appreciate his set because there was no room to dance - and these drunk jocks kept hitting on the women around me - to everyone's displeasure. More - longer lasting drunks than I've ever seen before. Especially the guy who took off all his clothes and kept grabbing women until he finally wouldn't let go of one and 3 guys had to get him off. (hey if you want to get but naked and dance - that's fine with me, just don't be an asshole about it). The lighting outside had potential - but of course I didn't see them utilize it. At the last future, the lights were suspended above the crowd and the speakers surrounded it - so you were part of everything - this time they were cheap with the set (oh, by the way - nice circus tent!) and had everything on the stage. This made the sound really dependent on where you stood and the lighting less effective. (where did that enormous budget go?) At any given time - not that many people were dancing due to the above and the mud. And I don't think the rave in general had much of a vibe. Personally I would have liked to continue dancing until the sun came up - like at last future but no, we were hurried off to trax. Lenny Dee and the source were quite good - this was the high point at wilmer for me. And IMHO Frankie should only be allowed to DJ with a muzzle on. (Yuram, what did he say to you exactly when you expressed this to him in somewhat nicer terms?) Franke Bones was one of the first people to get a beer at trax after they announced the bars were open at 10:00am ("live a hardcore life"?) Despite all this . . . I still wouldn't have missed it for anything. I met so many people from the net and their friends. Those were the people that made this weekend really enjoyable. Special thanks to Susie for letting us crash at your place - and making that essential bagel run. Special thanks to Kreig, Doug, and Oz for driving and to Cindy for comming all this way - It was great to finally meet you. By hanging out together at the rave we were able to create our own vibe despte the shit (somewhat literally) around us - I hope that we could organize to get everyone together like that again - but at a smaller, better event like some of the baltimore ones. I hope to see everyone again soon. Fran [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 23:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: Re: Future size On 4 Apr 1993 JASCHOENLY@vaxsar.vassar.edu wrote: > So, for those of you who went to Back to the Future, how many people would > you say were there? I was just wondering if it was really the biggest rave > ever on the east coast. Do you think that the predicted 8000 people showed > up? > > jacob Luckily NO! I'd say 4000 but I didn't get there till after 2:00 Fran [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: ...sending you Back To The Future! Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 23:52:54 -0500 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of borst@server.cs.jhu.edu: > > > Lessee: high points for the evening included: > - The Source's set. Really good hard trance. I'm going to have to find this > guy's stuff. John Truelove. Made his money at first by making bootlegs. Back in january i think, i saw a 12" by The Source. On the cover you had Perrier springwater bottle with the word Perrier replaced by The Source. It was "rock the house" a remix of somesort of i forget who. Most of the stuff he makes are remakes or remixes. BTW, i dont think you will find this 12" because Perrier sued The Source. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 00:15:46 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (spinnin') Subject: Re: Future- how was it? Oh shit, something tells me I _should_ have returned michael mecham's phone call (sorry mike!!) about providing lasers... -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 00:25:59 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (spinnin') Subject: Re: Archives at media... Doug---> Did you FTP the clublist / Rave o matic? Me: I didn't put up last month's archives, and will have them up asap. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 00:58:25 -0400 From: jna@gnu.ai.mit.edu (the word of the lord makes me break out screaming) Subject: ARCHIVES MISSING!!! We seem to be missing months and months of archives. If they're gone for good, we'll _never_ see them again, as I didn't back up ANY of it... Possibly, media.mit.edu has them on backup.. any ideas? Or is it another case of "we need disk space, so let's just delete THIS directory" Also, I found files on gnu with some sort of logging going down, and maybe we're using up too much system time? -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: another point about reverse Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 01:10:16 -0500 (EDT) Taylor.808: you did say the Canadian dj played trance, right? Cause there was also Tiga who played hardcore. It's the guy with a hat with a pair of gloves. He says he was so good he got to play 2 hours. Is this true? He also said the vibe was incredible and it was the best rave ever. You see i need some info because i can use that to force him to give me back my vinyls. The little twit has yet to return 1 of my 7 phone calls... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 1:47:10 EDT From: WILL-E Subject: rave culture Woops, I got a bit carried away on this reply but I have many ideas to share by the way Brian, I'm not so much critiquing you as putting out a message. so don't take me personally and hear me out! > everyone who didn't go. I mean, what's gonna happen if three people happen > to overdose on something, out of the (20,000? 200,000?) people expected to Overdose? I haven't heard of people trying heroin or cocaine at raves and can't imagine it. Acid? You can't physically overdose on it... your body expells any excess. Ecstacy, you'll suffer from dehydration before you can overdose on it. Having been to a 3 day rave, I'm speaking from experience. I found people almost always tried to make their drugs last all three days for those who could afford it after having to pay for the cost of the whole show, much less surviving for three days (hint: food, tickets, transport). The only "overdose" I witnessed was musick wise. Dancing for 8 to 12 hours is a bit exhausting, imagine 3 days. Please clarify what you mean by an overdose as I started raving 1990 in England and have never heard of anyone die of an "overdose." I might be wrong though... I'm not flaming you. > That's what happened in the UK, and they caused the authorities to pass a law > making playing amplified music outside ILLEGAL. What we need is a grass-roots Really? What law is this and when did it go into effect? This 3 day rave was on top of a huge hill (an hour climb by foot but well worth it) and the cops stopped by on the second day to ask if everything was in order. Then again, this was private property. I went to a bunch of beach raves until September '92 and the only times cops broke it up was when the speakers were placed so that they disturbed nearby homes. > education effort to show non-ravers that we are NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS, and that I didn't realize we were thought of as non-normal. If so, why do you care? > raves can do a lot of good in this crazy world of ours. I think even a lot of First you sound pessemistic talking about an overdose now you're optimistic about it's potential. I'm sorry however this sounds but what's going to change after you dance for how many hours you dance. You go outside and the world is still the same unless you decide to change it but in my eyes, a rave is a party. Indeed we show people how to have fun, relax, and co-exist peace- fully (or quasi at least) but I hope you're not incinerating (pun intended) that this is the forming of a new political movement or religion. I don't think there's that much unity. We don't even agree on what musick we like on here. Sure, maybe strength through diversity will the next theme but honestly, I believe that rave is a side effect of our generation, not a cause for something else. > All I could say to the organizers of Woodstock is: stay legit, have a ^^^^ Don't forget it's Ravestock NOT Woodstock. They really shouldn't be compared as the mindset from then and now is quite different. In fact, I think dead-heads & hippies from then would squirm at the idea. There are essential differences... for example the technology utilized. > good, clean party, don't overcharge, watch out for your attendees, and don't > let any doubt seep into people's minds about your motives. A lot is riding > on it. If this is as big as you claim the world will be watching. > Brian Good points! I hope they are well taken and don't fall on deaf ears. I hope it rains at least once so that all the people so concerned with their appearance get to look like shit. Muddy platform sneakers, glitzy makeup running and brand new clothes ruined. WOO HOOO! Call me old fashioned if you must but that's not what it's about. WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Hussein.Yahia@inria.fr Subject: Re: An interesting find Date: Mon, 05 Apr 93 09:43:17 +0200 >> Typical answer from France, land of i-love-anything-americans-do-and-i-dish- >> everything-from-here. I didn't say to play it at raves in France, i said in >> ... [stuff deleted] Well... didn't want to flame that much. Francois is putting my stuff to far away from what I meant. There is no techno in France because of some excessive copyright laws that do not apply in Belgium. hussein [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 03:55:24 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (i am on a sugar high) Subject: Listserver Help File Sorry this didn't make it into the first posting, but here goes again.. This is the file that you'll get from the list server if you ask it for help. (and these are the commands that I'm currently supporting). I'm also deeply considering shutting _down_ subscriptions. (i.e. no more new people) because we're WAY over limits. (230+ users) >From daemon@gnu.ai.mit.edu Mon Apr 5 03:52:36 1993 ** PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE. IT IS THE SYSTEM DAEMON ** ACCOUNT AND NOT THE LISTSERVER. SEND MAIL TO NE-RAVES-REQUEST ** INSTEAD! Hello, I'm the automated list server for Ne-Raves! All you have to do is mail a message with a single line (with one of the following commands). The subject of your message doesn't matter. If you enter more than one command in a message, only the LAST command entered will be honored. If you're stuck, please send mail to owner-ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu! Command Description ------------ ---------------------- INFO Get some information about ne-raves / ne-raves-calendar (basically the welcome message and charter from both lists) SUB CALENDAR Subscribe to ne-raves-cal, A weekly posting of raves and upcoming events. SUB DISCUSS Subscribe to ne-raves, the daily discussion listing. UNSUB CALENDAR Remove yourself from calendar listings UNSUB DISCUSS Remove yourself from the daily discussion listings. STAT See how many people are on ne-raves/ne-raves-cal. WHO CALENDAR Show the users on the calendar list WHO DISCUSS Show the users on the discussion list [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: Future Date: Mon, 05 Apr 93 06:29:28 -0500 While I can't say I didn't enjoy myself at BTTF, things were looking bleek from the outset. Duncan phoned me around 6pm the day of the event to see if I wanted to come along. I hadn't intended on it since Aphex Twin wasn't playing and I still had a mild fever. But...after working out the logistics, triangulating vectors, etc., we departed Charlottesville at 9pm. Our party consisted of me, Duncan, his girlfriend Jill, Christopher, Laura, and another carload of people that we were following. A few minutes elapse and Duncan announces his "no techno in the car" rule. My jaw dropped. His reasoning was that we'd appreciate the music more, once we got to the rave. Which I have to agree with. No really, I *have* to agree with it: he's driving. :) Actually, the trip turned out to be rather enjoyable. The only downside was that the lead car overshot the exit by 26, which put us an hour out of our way. When we reached Brandywine, we ran in to the notorious traffic jam, adding another 30 minutes to our wait. Christopher scouted ahead and found Susie and crew. By this time cars were moving ahead a bit faster. As a joke, I suggested we take off in the lefthand lane. Sure 'nuf, moments later and people were doing just that. One pass almost resulted in a head-on collision. The car managed to pull off onto the shoulder in time. They pretty much parked it and walked after that. Oh, did I mention they all had beers in hand? I think we finally made it to the parking lot around 1:30am (whenever N.R.G. first came on). What sucked was that we got charged *twice* for parking. But what can you do? You've made it that far, you gotta pay up. We bought the tix and headed to the barn ("big fun house", was it?). It was crowded and hot so we left for the other space outside. Previous postings about the space were right on: muddy, neat tents, so-so lights, and poorly positioned speakers. Also, as expected, the fog disbursement sucked. It either covered the people directly in front of the stage, or blew back into the dj's face. The ground was pretty stable in some areas (mostly by the tents). Down in front it was complete muck. Since it was so cold out, stepping on the mud kinda felt like quicksand...neat. I forget which dj was first spinning when I arrived, but he was followed by Keoki. At the time I didn't have a high opinion of Keoki because I had only read bad reviews of his music, attitude, etc. Plus, our time was running out. We had no idea if we would lose an hour due to daylight savings and I didn't want to waste the night listening to some hack. But I digress... Keoki was fantastic! Trippy, bleepy noise with a dose of hardcore. It's hard to describe. For those of you who've heard of Keoki, where can you purchase that type of music? I must have some... But still, there were problems with his set. There seemed to be more distortion than intended. It got so bad that 100,000 watts of "stop your heart bass" was reduced to half that when the right stack of speakers cut off. This was all fixed in time for the Source and Lenny Dee. I only caught a little of the Source, but it was hard. Very nice. And was Lenny Dee spinning while the Source loaded samples between songs? That's what it looked like from a distance. Besides Aphex Twin, Lenny Dee was my other main draw to BTTF. When he came on, I was determined to dance from start to finish. His set was complete punishment. I didn't recognize any of it. Mind ripping stuff. I then headed off for a much needed smart drink. One more thing: I can't quite put my finger on it, but it seemed that many of Lenny's segues were not executed smoothly. Did anyone else notice this? I think the sound gear was to blame because the technicians were scurrying all over the place. Ironically, by this time, my fever was gone but my spirits still down. So, I hit the various vending tables and bought some clothes. Voila. Instant happiness! But seriously, BTTF was pure hype. I spent all my time outside so maybe I missed out on the indoors activities. There just wasn't any bang for the buck. What saved it for me was hanging with my friends and meeting new se/dc/ne-ravers. With the exception of Damian and Mike B., I didn't have extended conversations with any of you guys. For that, I apologize. If you make it to Krusty's II, I'll try better... :) Let's see...oh, N.R.G. came on for a second time and pretty much blew chunks. Once again the sound was fucked. The MC even joked about the DATs running but no sound coming out. Well, no surprises with their act... The morning ended with a smug Meacham telling everyone to head to Trax for "nine more hours" of fun. So we did. The music varied quite a bit: RuPaul, Fierce Ruling Diva, etc. I wanted something a bit more soothing, but at least I could finally get some food. On our way out, we saw Dimitry and Miss Kier pull up in a dirty pickup. (where is Towa Towa these days?) Christopher commented how unglamorous the whole situation was...it struck me as pretty funny. We almost went back into Trax, but we were beat. Rats, I would have liked to have met them. Ok, that's enough outta me. I'd be interested to hear how things went in the Big Fun House since I never really gave it a chance. Later, Paul -- beloved@virginia.edu "I'm so high." - Eden Transmission psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: weird TR-808 sighting so i'm staying at somebody's house and they're playing the nylons (sort of fifties-ish a cappella harmony sort of thing) and suddenly i hear these beats and... and... it's an 808, i'd swear. the notes say "electro beats by ". it was quite a surprise. :) (if yer interested, the album is "one size fits all". check it out. ;) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu (William Perez) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:12:41 EDT Subject: Re: Future > digress... Keoki was fantastic! Trippy, bleepy noise with a dose of > hardcore. It's hard to describe. For those of you who've heard of Keoki, > where can you purchase that type of music? I must have some... But still, Keoki! ARGH... and ug. I used to live for keoki around '90-'91. He used to play some fab musick (maybe phat is more appropriate these days?) that was a real treat to listen to... he was also rather special on the New York scene. Unfortunately everything I've heard come out of keoki should go back in where it came from in my opinion. If you *really* like him, come to Disco 2000, any Wednesday at (s)Limelight in New York city. I find he's not very interested in playing good musick anymore. Perhaps a combination of too many drugs and knowing that he can play whatever he wants as he has a devoted following. ironically, the people that are so into him don't really listen to what he plays or just aren't as serious about musick as I am. He's been around the club scene so long that he's repected soley for that fact, not his talent. Anyway he used to be good and people remember that. I sincerely hoped that he took raves a bit more serious, since he isn't in his own element. A group of us ne-raverz went to Philly where he farted around and played whatever came out of his ass. His posse of New York circus side show freaks also contributed to *bad vibes* and an early night. Any of us could have spun a better set but that's Keoki these days. I wasn't at Future so I don't know what he played or how well he did so I can't speak about that. Generally I find his attitude to be, well I can play whatever since I'm getting paid it doesn't matter. I've heard people falling asleep listening to his tapes and I would think he would at least make an effort there. Heed my warning! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 12:43:37 -0400 From: Duncan Charles Haberly Subject: Re: tips on shopping in NYC Let me try to put this as politely as possible: FUCK OFF!! I have allowed your moronic posts to fill my mailbox for toooo long! Everything from repeated usage of the net to post what are basically personal messages to flaming Hardcore out of the blue to making fun of what is perfectly sensible advice from Laura on how to best handle NY record stores. If you or anyone else would like to post back and flame me feel free to do so, I only ask that you think seriously about hitting "r" before "R." - (something I admittedly have chosen to ignore here) To conclude, you got the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but the petty bullshit has piled too high - you have shown yourself to be a useless piece of shit with nothing better to do than diss those who do do something constructive. Love, Duncan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1993 14:11:22 EDT From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: Re: this is the future... no future... Greetings Ne-Ravers, Hello it's Mars once again. I'm the DJ at the Freight Yard, a techno club in Allentown, PA. I have gotten a lot of questions about what happened with the idea of the Ne-Raves party that was in the works for the Freight Yard and raised some controversy and wasted bandwidth for a few weeks. Well, here's the low down: after getting everything settled on my end, I met with the owner. He has put any "all night" events on hold until he "looks into things further". You and I know what that means. So I have been occupying my time trying to put together some other parties on a more local scale. The other promoters that I work with and I have located several potential spaces and are working on the "negotiations" (i.e. coming up with money and coaxing them into letting us keep people in their space all night). The Lehigh Valley doesn't understand why people would want to stay out all night. "Direct from MARS" (my clothing company) is expanding its line (to more three items!) and two people here in Bethlehem and I will be opening a store in Bethlehem of the same name this summer (hopefully!) that will also be the "mail order headquarters." I'll let you know how it goes. As a graduating senior, I am still looking for a job with my E.E. degree. Do any of the other seniors in college out there have jobs? Inhuman had written: >OH!! I almost forgot... while we were driving to Tracks we saw this big >white van on the highway with an NE-Raves sticker on it. It took me >about five seconds to make the realization... Mars! I waved my badge >out the window at them and they followed us to Tracks. Unfortunately I >lost track of them when we parked and I never did meet you guys! Oh >well... next time. (are you still on the net, Mars?) It was actually Evan who isn't on the list anymore. I decided not to attend such a sell-out event. I was in Philly at a rave called "Rainbow Playground" which I am sorry that I didn't give info to the person who does the raveomatic. I am friends with most of the DJs in Philly and soon will probably start doing parties down there with that crew (Mace, Oddessy, Kats, Remic). There's some news for you all. Peace in and out, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu (TM) d i r e c t f r o m M A R S "...out of this world cyber-wear" =============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 14:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: There is a Future.. There is a future..and MM's Future it is not. After a long drive down to Brandywine, we finally made it to the field around 2am to the sounds of NRG. The set up was okay...a clubhouse and a field space surrounded by a U-shape of vendors/tent and the stage at the open end. Quickly met up with all the other ne-ravers and it was a great crowd - Shannon, Susie, Doug, Inhuman, Yoram, Oz, Applepie, Polida, Mike B, Dang, Xtofer, Laura, Jacob, Sparkle, Sin, Mikey, Fran etc etc etc etc etc. DieselBoy was there too but he's to cool to come see us and left before I got to meet him :( Just the fact that such a great group of people were there made it all worth it. Lenny D and Scott Henry were both incredible. Frankie Bones was Frankie Bones...I forget who, but one of us went and told him to play more music and speak less. Of course, he respected our opinion and repied with a polite "FAWK OFF" :) The sound system was clearly having problems but they did eventually get it fixed and things sounded good. The Source played an incredible trancecoree set which was really good. One of the better PA's i've seen in my time. NRG played a second time around 4:00am but they were really not what the crowd wanted to see...The US and UK scenes are very different. After NRG, MM himseld came out and told us about "9 more hours of fun" at trax so after Sparkle and I took a brief nature walk, we jumped in the car and headed off. Trax was really fun. It was a cool atmosphere but by no means escaped the fact that it was a club. All the leathermen were still there from the night before and it was cool the way the two groups of people interacted and definately added to the novelty of it all. There was also a nice courtyard outside where people could sit outside or dance which was really fun. The trax highlight was great set by Dmitry which lasted about 2 hours and he was still spinning when we left around 11am. It was fun to see him him and lady Kier dancing it up at future too. All in all, I had a great time. The mud wasnt too bad, the music was good, the people were great, and the fact that it was outside really added to the atmosphere. I see great things happening in the summer. Thanks to everyone who came.. --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 16:06:59 -0400 From: cs012093@cs.brown.edu (Keith Dreibelbis) Subject: Philly rave scene What's up y'all? I was curious if could give me info on the rave/ravemusic club scene in philadelphia... I've never heard anything about raves near philadelphia, are there any? What about the best clubs for that type of atmosphere, anyhow? I'm not subscribed, so please respond by personal email. Thanks! Keith Dreibelbis cs012093@cs.brown.edu or Dreibelbis@brown.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: s i n e w a v e Subject: black d o g productions Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 16:31:47 EDT any ideas as to how we can get on the black dog productions BBS in england? phone number? email address? etc./? i am really curious as to get a hold of them... please help. sines -- /\ /\ _________________s i n e w a v e___________________ /\ /\ / \ / \ / todd sines: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu \ / \ / \ / \/ \/ 384 e17th ave, columbus, oh 43201 614 299 9529 \/ \/ \ analogue / analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 13:45:16 -0700 Subject: POSTING TO EVERY MAILING LIST (was re: black d o g productions) About once every day or two there's a post made to EVERY rave mailing list. (Or most). I don't mean to sound like a "fussbudget" but are these mega- crossposts really necessary? I would think alt.rave would be a much more logical place to post stuff you think a wide cross-section of people would be interested in. I know lots of people on the mailing lists don't have access to USENET, so maybe an alt-rave-for-non-USENET-people mailing list could be started. (Alt.rave needs interesting posts these days anyways.) I may sound like a turd for saying this but more than one person wrote me about it.... Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: TMA@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 14:19:55 EST Subject: ESREVER... Howdy folks...I am still trying to recover from the weekend, my new recordfor sleep deprivation = 40 hrs (Saturday 7:30am - Monday 1:00am). It was funny watching what happens to the human mind after that many hours (actully scarry at times) of sleepliness! wierd thoughts!, revelations! I would be interested in finding out what funny things people did/do when they don't sleep for LONG time! enough of that... I spend all day in Burlington,VT a town which I thought was very beautiful, milky white snow everywhere alot of virgin lands that has not gotten fucked by industry yet! friendly people! Cool record shop! (purePOP!) I won't be surprized if all the promoters decide to declare Burlington as the next RAVES mecca! alot of isolated places/houses/mansions/lodges/barns/fields/mountains I loved it! for those of you who are skiing fans, it is the place to be! Very small town but very hip in the same time... I got there with the first batch of people around 12am and had to wait in a line until 12:45ish in the cold to get in! Well, I do get in and who do I see Taylor! whom it is always a pleasure to see! anytime! then I got attacked by one of the best trancy tunes that I have ever heard before (Taylor, I found out from Dante that the DJ's name was TIGA, it was him who flew us into space!), too bad he was not on longer! he was the short guy with hands coming out of his head (funny/happy/kindda guy!) 8)... The place was pretty good, crowded as hell at some points though having its size in mind, back room with vendors and SmartBar with two poor souls selling stuff to a crowd of 900 (around 2:30am according to door/manager/bouncer woman) it took forever to get shit! people just sitting on the floor, it was a chillOut/SmartBar/T-shirt-Mall kindda of a room without any chill tunes! I don't use drugs or sell them. I have acquired a new hobby of counting how many people ask/mistake me for a drug dealer! 8) my current record is 25/nite! I don't wether it is the way I look or maybe some schmuck is going around announcing that I am or what! I know you've all been through this before, but with me at raves it is too much! I digress... I Overload/others came on and he/they played alot BBeats/other kinds/Hardcore stuf that was nice/very nice at many points! The vibe was good I think, I met a lot people from Univ.Of.Vermont and also alot of newbies (ravers) who actually stayed all night until 8:30am when I left back to Burlington, cheese heads (which they almost had non!) it was all either ravers or newbies who were just crushed with this new type of music, people(ravers), and event in general, I think it was thier first real rave! they all had all kinds of preconcieved ideas, which told me how good of a job the media did(does) NOT! At 4am or so a DJ named Charles (donno his biz name) came on and he played alot of progressive house and other trancy tunes that just got everybody going, he prepared us for DANTE who was one of the reasons I went there beside checking a new state out on my list of places to visit! He played some (mind numbing/bodies flying / eyes closing/ hands floating/ mouths smiling) trance. that got me really happy! It is nice to end the night with DANTE's set as finishing thought!, then bliss came on with some nice deep house. Shit he played this song, which I have not heard since I was 14 yrs old, I am 24 now! I forgot what it was called! I loved it since the day it came out back in '84 ! It starts with some guy making some noises(words) then the drums would repeat what he just said (dada dumdum, da da dumdum...) then it builds up, it brought very nice memories from home. It was the last song I heard before I headed to catch the bus back to Burlington with a smile on my face. (Taylor; I tried to find you to say goodbye...sniffsniff...but ya all disappeared!) Did not have time(it was 9am then)/energy to check out the afterhours. Ate breakfast then headed back to Cleveland! Overall it was very nice to go to REVERSE, and see Taylor, and meet for the first time Neith! and Jetta! #) see ya all soon! It was kindda of wierd to reward my self for working my tail off all months with a 40hrs trip to REVERSE but it was worth every second! Ed_Scale of [-4 to +4] the Q8e's score for Rave = +2.5 Location = +0.0 Burlington = +4.0 PeaceOut, TAREQ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 17:53:19 EDT From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Re: Archives at media... The ftp archive at media.mit.edu indeed has been clobbered for some unknown reason. I am working on getting the files restored from backup. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1993 18:22:20 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: The 10th Does anyone know of any Raves this weekend? I have Easter off from work and i'd hate to miss the chance to Rave without worrying about working the next day! I thought I remember reading something about a Rave in Conn? Tune-in or something? Also, anyone know of any cheap motels near GRIN location? Be safe Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1993 18:37:21 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: RE-re-shopping Wo! "Fuck off and a piece of shit" I'm new on the net, but I don't recall anything that was "a waste of net" except "petty"shit like this really rude message. The message your refering to I thought was just a joke and sarcastic. It seems you have used this line for exactly what you were complaining about "personal messages". What's up with the hostilities, wer'e supposed to be peaceful ravers!!!!! Very sad. I agree the arguing over which type of music is best is silly, but up till now at least it was only that, and not attacking. If I were the person you screeched at (and it is possible to net-screech ive discovered) I'd be so hurt and embarrassed I'd unsubscribe. I cant imagine that kind of anger cuz of someones shopping advice!!! PEACE and happy Raving I hope I've missed something and you were only kidding or being sarcastic. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1993 18:48:51 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: picnic/grin april 17th there's been lots of picnic/grin tension/pulls/questions lately.. and i was wondering if we should POSTPONE the picnic to a different date... say.. may 1st... because, may 1st is the date for ESSENCE 2.. which will be somewhere around NYC. so, that way.. people will be coming down here already.. i think that would just be easier all around, for everybody... and, more people would come to the picnic... so, what do ya say? may 1st - ne-raves picnic followed by ESSENCE 2? I, personally, think it's a good idea... but, i want everyone's opinion.. let me/us know if you would come may 1st...but not april 17th.. or vice versa. >>taylor.808 (p-plodding around in the rubble) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 05 Apr 93 20:00:22 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: Re: RE: RE-re-shopping > "Fuck off and a piece of shit" > "petty" shit like this really rude message. I'm not new to this list anymore and I agree. If you've honest disagreements, express them honestly and politely. If you've a personal problem with someone else on ne-ravers then deal with them seperately, not in a manner where all of us have to read them. This applies to Duncan, Shannon, Laura, with all due respect intended. I'm into the discussions of music no prob. I found the hardcore discussion quite good and provocative ... (until it degenerated into name calling). I'm glad people are opinionated. I am too. I only wish I had more time to read and respond! (I'm on ne-ravers at work). Can we all show some RESPECT for each other? Messages like the aformentioned make me want to UNSUB! Thank you. Peace. Jeremy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:10:44 -0500 From: "a kinky afro near you" Subject: Re: ESREVER... In message <9304052259.AA0220@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU> writes: > > I spend all day in Burlington,VT a town which I thought was very > beautiful, milky white snow everywhere alot of virgin lands that > has not gotten fucked by industry yet! friendly people! Cool record > shop! (purePOP!) I won't be surprized if all the promoters decide to > declare Burlington as the next RAVES mecca! alot of isolated > places/houses/mansions/lodges/barns/fields/mountains I loved it! for > those of you who are skiing fans, it is the place to be! Very small town > but very hip in the same time... > Yeah, Burlington has also been declared the Seattle of the future. Subpop opened offices here and they have stepped up the number of grungy-seattle type concerts in Clubs. I think that there are a lot of people here that would get into raves if there were more in this area! > The vibe was good I think, I met a lot people from Univ.Of.Vermont and > also alot of newbies (ravers) who actually stayed all night until > 8:30am when I left back to Burlington, cheese heads (which they almost > had non!) it was all either ravers or newbies who were just crushed with > this new type of music, people(ravers), and event in general, I think it > was thier first real rave! they all had all kinds of preconcieved ideas, > which told me how good of a job the media did(does) NOT! > I was behind this girl in the line at the smart bar, and I heard her ask "Do you have beer?" When the man said that there was no alcohol and the girl realized that the smart drinks had a price attached she yelled to her friend, "$13 to get in and you have to pay for non-alcoholic drinks!?" But I just chuckled. I think a lot of the rave-virgins had this picture of an underground bar like in that episode of 90210 last year. The media definatly does not have a firm grip of the rave scene. The High Times magazine is doing an article on raves in the next issue (stands around the 12th?) and I'm pretty interested to see if they get a better feel for raves. The bit on the article in the "in next issue" thing said something like, "If you thought kids weren't doing drugs think again" or something like that. Oh well, we'll see :) Hang Loose Chris ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ cmellow@well.sf.ca.us "The mind is time and space surrounding, pounding, getting down." -digable planets ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 20:41:16 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Re: Listserver Help File ooops sent to two places....got it though...i think clarification is needed for others as well as me...oops... um john....does this listserver thing make it possible to list all on ne raves that are logged in? i have an idea if you don't... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 20:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: FOOCHA Here's my review...all in all, it was so-so. TOO BIG. too much mud, too cold for me...the inside room was too crowded because it was too cold for alot of people, too much alcohol(we saw people downing 40's WAITING IN LINE TO PARK!), too much frankie muthafucka bones, (who was so into his posse at trax). I liked NRG. I like the UK, MC style of hardcore, It gets me goin' and groovin'. yes, the vendors were reasonable, but i was on a budget and couldn't buy anything. I was whining until I ran into all the ne-dc ravers. They made the rave for me. Trax was great, and HUGE. I *danced* with lady miss kier and spoke with her(still jealous, Kreig?). she was very friendly and very cool. Dimitry's set was awesome! He spun my favorite track("Hurt You So" by Jonny L..pretty old but IN EFFECT) . Trax was much cooler than the rave, the patio thing was cool, it looked like someone's deck in their backyard but much bigger with a volleyball court(with sand) and a dancefloor with soundsystem playing what was being spun in the "video" room. Nice vibe, but my faith in your average dc-raver (not net.persons) was waning. My theory is that most of these kids like their *scene* and like it being *theirs*. I dunno, I felt alot of attitude along with the vibe. Hangin' with the ne-raves massive at AU was certainly the highlight of the weekend. I enjoy everyone's company and would like to make seeing everyone somewhat of a regular thing. You guys are sooooo cool. (Kreig, I owe ya half a cookie). Sooper phat thanks to Susie for hosting the whole thing. I hope to be back down soon. For me, the listmembers are forming more of a cohesive family than a group of smaller groups of friends. Being with Oz, Polida *and* Susie and Doug was too cool. Plus, seeing the intense brotherly love that Doug and Kreig share was intense(heh, heh, heh). I look forward to hanging out with everyone again and urge everyone else to get involved. mikebee [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:16:47 -0400 From: Zach Eitzen Subject: Washington Times article on raves Hi everybody... My mom saw an article in the local conservative rag owned by the Moonies. The article is called "Catching the 'Rave'". It is not very well researched (no big surprise there) bubt does have a couple interesting quotes. One is: "Out-of- towners often hear about raves through word-of-mouth or through messages left on popular computer networks." The other quote is from Michael Meachem himself, and it is pretty ironic: "I think the scene is going to get so big that it's going to burn itself out." I would type the entire thing in, but anyone who's ever talked with me over vrave knows that this would be a pretty long task for me and my slow-typing finge fingers. The article draws way too many parallels between raves and the 60s drug culture, IMHO... Later, Zach [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Jesse Brook McCune Subject: Re: picnic/grin april 17th Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:36:34 -0400 (EDT) > so, what do ya say? I say no...don't postpone it...like you were saying all along, too much planning ruins things...you said it was just a small get-together...no big deal...whoever came, fine...whatever...now are you changing that?...I say just have it on the 17th and if people show up fine, if not those who are there(me included) will have a great time anyway...I, for one, can't afford to go raving much anymore...it screws up my schedule for a week and I need all the help I can get to keep up my grades...I would much rather just hang out with friends...raving isn't my life...but friends are a big part of it... besides, if it's on the 1st, I simply can't go...that is the weekend before my finals, and I can't afford to take any big trips or anything...whatever... later... -Sunshine [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1993 23:56:00 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: re-Washington and High Times I'm so sick of the articles on Raves!!!!!!! The national college newspaper that comes to my campus had an article quoting people who said things like people were doing coke and drinking. Where would that rave have been? And was anyone as stupid as me and watch the 48 Hours thing on TV? Why is it that as soon as something new comes about, espescially music or any sort of counter culture,the media insists on comparing it to the 60's?!!!!!! "Art in the tradition of Warhol" "Not since the Beatles has a band sparked such a response"(refering to everythig from New Kids on the Block to Nirvana) "60;s fashion returns!" Next Ravers will be "The New Hippies!" Its awful. If one listens to the hype, the following is what we are to believe. 1) No one ever had an original thought prior to 1960. 2) 'Till 1960, every one wore brown homespun clothing. 3) No one ever did drugs before the 60;s 4) No one ever had sex, or even wanted to,until the 60's 5) Nothinlg original is possible in the future, because in the 60's, people like my parents did everything creative. I'm sick of the 60's. I'm sick of the media. I'm getting sick of bitching about both. so thats it. Sorry to clog the net with my over-tired,procrastinating homework, ramblings. Love, and Safety Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 22:51:38 -0400 From: epeirce@acs.bu.edu (Erin Peirce) Subject: FULL MOON RAVE TUESDAY, APRIL 6th, 1993 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 01:36:39 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: FUTURE'ing n' stuff Hey, Back to the Future turned out o.k. The outdoors experience was interesting. The afterparty cool. Was psyched for this event. On Sat early Polida, Oz, ApplePie, and Bonnie came down to D.C. Went around D.C. to look at the sights and buy some tickets from the unfriendly people at MusicNow. Apple and Oz knew alot about the music and they were fun to talk about it to. Apple, thanks for all the cool info and tips about dj'ing :) It was Thai for dinner, the Back to the Future for desert. Michael and Ben Jaffee led us to thebeltway annd onwards went to the mile long wait to get into BTTF. At one point we got into the other lane and stopped other people from going by so a bug VW could get enough space to run/jump start the battery :) Got into future right when NRG started playing and heard their set which was o.k. Next up was Keoki which was disjointed and harsh and could never get into. Around this time met up with a whole kit-n-kaboodle of ne/dcravers. Paul, DieselBoy (finally talked to him :) Christopher, Laura, Fluid, Fran, and a whole mess others. Took group photo, but eventually everyone drifted off and i was alone dancing by myself. It was really cool because at one point in my mind the idea that i was just happy that i could be able to dance and feel the music was within my grasp and it made me feel very nice. The middle was to muddy to dance, but right in front of the speakers was fun, esp. cause the dancing around them be funky! Dancing outside is hard, almost sprained my ankle. At one point on came Lenny Dee and i was kind of tired, but all of the sudden he started scratching this massive mix that was DOUBLE PPHATT !! I mean a guy next to me just started yelling and i started yelling and then we started yelling together to the amazing mastery of Lenny D. Source was cool. And then once again got to hear the ole Scott Henry: with the mesmorizing breakbeats. So the BTTF over with Mecham kicking NRG off stage. Drove to Tracks for the afterhours driving Sparkle, Fluid, and Fran. First time in eight months driven so took it out on the poor Nova :) But it was cool. Yorham following close behind, and about ten raver-full of cars following behind. Made it there without one wrong turn (phew) Tracks was cool. The big dance floor didn't like music. But the smaller floor rocked. Super cool and pure vibrant dancing in effect. In a total state of bliss. And even watched sparkles-watch especially if your tripping- mesmorizing dance steps. And but the floor with the moves. It was very cool. So BTTF was a good time. Outside messy but the people were nice. Tracks-special. peace doug ))))) rave junkie ((((( dz5401a@american.edu addenum - i was talking with a dj and fellow student of D.C. Neuromancer today. He said he received a call from Michael Mecham asking him to do labor work for him at BTTF. Neuromancer politely declined, informed Michael he was a dj, and remained diplomatic about the affair. but Michael had also asked Lonnie, a promoter for Ultraworld to hand out 5000 flyers for BTTF because Michael thought he was "a good type of guy to do it." ANd his payment was a BTTF t-shirt. Needless to say lonnie threw away all 5000 of the flyers. :I [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 01:06:00 -0400 From: epeirce@acs.bu.edu (Erin Peirce) Subject: FULL MOON RAVE The moon's gravity causes our planet to WOBBLE slightly in its eliptical path around the sun. In gravitational terms, earth and moon operate as a SINLE MASS, whose center of gravity still lies within the earth, but WELL OUT FROM TEH CENTER. Two BODIES weave about each other in their orbit like partners DANCING AROUND THE SUN. -READER'S DIGEST TUESDAY, APRIL 6th, 1993 FULL MOON RAVE Directions are as follows: By car...Mass ave to Arlington/Cambridge Line. Mobile station on the right. Turn left onto Alewifebrook Parkway, to route 2 west...exit 60 (1st exit). Left at the bottom of the ramp, under overpass. Left onto route 2 east, right into bowling alley parking lot. Drive to the right of teh building park behind. Walk in the opposite direction from route 2, through parking lots. Cross road at the fire hydrant, continue straight into the woods 30-40 feet until clearing reached. ENJOY! By subway...take the red line to Alewife Station (last stop). At 1:15am a guide will meet everyone at the passenger pickup (back of station) to lead all to the location. I realize tuesday is a school night for all the college folk and a worknight for the rest. I hope many of you will venture out to this enriched wonder- vibe event anyhow. The FULL MOON RAVE begins at 1:00am Tuesday night (well, actually Wednesday morning, to avoid confusion). The hippest djs will spin tunes beneficial to the body and soul. In keeping with the FULL MOON tradition the event will be free o' charge. PLEASE phone me if you have questions...(617) 352-6302. Hope to see a plethora of ne-ravers there celebrating the FULL MOON! remember...DRESS WARMLY -erin epeirce@acs.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 00:24:18 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Picnic May 16 w/EvoLution in Zentral Park. I just got off the phone with Dante and he saidthey've finally gotten their permit for Central Park in May. The date will be Sun,May 16, not the 17th as I said before.. Dante says hi and he's still looking forward to getting on the net...(He just has to get his terminal up and running..) -Sounds like a lot of fun..wish I could go!!! -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:38:05 -0700 Subject: Re: FULL MOON RAVE Yay! yay! yay! I hope lotsa people went! Now you'll get to see what us lunatics on the west coast have been going wild about :):) BTW, the full moon happens at 11am tomorrow morning, so TONIGHT would be the proper night astrologically, but who gives as long as it's happening :) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: RAVE: Mutatation - Friday April 9th Recycled Productions is putting another rave on at Carnegie Mellon University this comming friday. Last one had 500 people show up. I am posting the info about it after this message. I also scanned in the flyers and have put them up for anonymous ftp at the site "soda.berkeley.edu" in the "/pub/incoming" directory. The filenames are: Mutation-Front.jpg (172k) Mutation-Front.gif (248k) Mutation-Back.jpg (188k) Mutation-Back.gif (375k) Mutation is being put on for fun, and none of the people involved are looking to make a profit. So why not show up? If you are planning on attending, then send me email and I can probably arrange some sort of free crash space for non-locals. -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout@cmu.edu) ----------------------------------- Here's the Hype ----------------------------------- Friday April 9 PITTSBURGH, PA MUTATION Recycled Productions presents Mutation Carnegie Mellon University Highlander/ Resnik Hall April 9 10 pm-4am DJs: Techno Terrorists (RECYCLED) dieselBoy (TWICE) Simon (RECYCLED) Dr. Seuss (TWICE) Special K (PITT) Preforming Live: 187 Raveline (412) 734-8330 $5 Superchill, Chill Out Room Visuals by Tranceportation 2 Rooms, 2 Stories, 2 Phat lasers by STORCH 3 Watt Lasers VOLATILE Ravegear Master Blaster(tm) Sound System 12x12 PROJECTIONS [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 10:56:38 -0400 From: epeirce@acs.bu.edu (Erin Peirce) Subject: Re: FULL MOON RAVE it IS tonight!!! sorry you can't amke it out from the bay area Tee Hee!!! ps i should meet you when i return home for the summer (Palo Alto) -erin epeirce@acs.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 06 Apr 1993 11:24:22 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Subject: 808 State Sorry to take up space with this, but I was wondering if anyone knows the date and location for 808 State/MBM's appearance in Poughkeepsie, NY. Please reply via personal mail. Thanks in advance.. Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 11:45 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: more music, part 1 It was a shopping kind of weekend. Friday night I met WillE and Eileen at Planet X, and we listened to a pile of records. Spike pulled down some remix of Moby's "Next is the E." "You have to hear this, it's so FAT." He said. "Do you spell that with a ph or a f?" I asked. I think Spike was trying to move slow stock or something, because none of us found it that appealing. After getting Spike's typical "you snooze / you lose" speech, I told him "look, I don't care. I don't like it." If you adore Moby, check it out. I never liked "Next is the E" anyway, so maybe that's where my problem with that track started. Things started getting better from there. I found out that the IST 001 white label I mentioned a few posts ago is out in general release now, it's called "Cyberia" and Tin Tin had a hand in it. Check it out, it's very good. It's also a domestic release, so don't let Newbury Comics rip you off for it (I've seen domestics on Industrial Strength priced the same as imports at Newbury Comics.) Sven Vath has two releases out, one older and one new. I've not heard the older one (post "Accident in Paradise"), it's called "Barbarella." I saw it on CD at Vinylmania in New York, but they didn't have it on 12". Has anyone heard this? The other is called "Ritual of Life" and is wonderful. There are three mixes (of of them breakbeat), my favorite is the "tribal acid mix." It starts out with quiet pipes and bongos, adds a didjeridoo, and then goes into classic Vath with a buzzy bass. Getting a bit harder, now . . . the Influid II EP is hard and acidy. One track, "Relax," runs at about 170 bpm and starts out with a woman saying "Relax, you're quite safe here" and continues into some rather unsafe slamming acid. Some people (not in Brooklyn) might call this hardcore, others would call it trance. I call it good. The 3rd track, "Mastermind," is even better. It's a bit slower, and not quite as hard, but still qualifies as hard fast trance. The timing of the vocal samples is ingenious in my opinion -- a real taylor.808-style deal. "you are being taken by armed guard to your final destination / ENERGIZE" all distorted and buzzy. It gives you a head rush when the beat slams in on the ENERGIZE part. I had passed on the Influid I EP about a month and a half ago, but this one is *much* better. A project called Headshop has a sort of white-label out on Dance Ecstacy 2001. By sort of, I mean that one label is the DE 2001 label, and the other is white with "Headshop / made in Germany" stamped on it. Maybe the track is called "Headshop"? Well, never mind. I'm calling it "People of the Universe" because that sample gets dropped in a lot. It's acidy, too, but uplifting. I can well imagine dancing with 400 other people and hearing "we are people of the universe" though mega-watts of speakers. A unifying moment, to be sure. This is less hard and more trancy, but whenever you have acid trance it tends to be harder than happy-trance such as "Cyberia" and the like. We then investigated some slamming hardcore, namely in the form of Assylum's "Hardcore Assylum." This features a few samples of a guy screaming "hardcore assylum" and lots of HUGE drums and analogue buzzes. Eileen started pulling on my coat and saying "you have to buy this record, you have to buy this record." So I did, it's very energetic and hard, without being a complete nosebleed hardcore track. Next we checked out two new Industrial Strength releases. The first one, "Glitch," left me cold. The other, the new English Muffin by Lenny Dee and Ralphie Dee, was cute. The title track "I Smell the Blood of an English Muffin" is the type of breakcore that we were hearing a lot last summer. I really liked the other side better, with a track called "You Should Have Been Smarter." It also has that "last summer" feel to it, being fast silly hardcore with breaks and stops. Part II coming up: Eileen and I venture to Brooklyn, land of evil incarnate. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 12:32:24 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Re: FULL MOON RAVE hey there...i am at simmons and the t stops at 12:15, so what do we do while waiting from 12:15-1:15??? Can anyone drive me if i can go???? Love and Frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 12:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: BOING BOING BOING Aaaaaaaggghhhhhh!!! Stop these bouncing messages...Its driving me crazy. talk about deja vu hope I dont have to read the last months posts again hope you can fix it :) --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dboy@acs.bu.edu (Darren Ewaniuk) Subject: Re: FULL MOON RAVE Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 12:50:28 EDT > > hey there...i am at simmons and the t stops at 12:15, so what do we do while > waiting from 12:15-1:15??? Can anyone drive me if i can go???? > Love and Frogs!!! > Neith > hey there the same goes for me as well...... love always and everywhere, darren, (dboy@acs.bu.edu) 352-7382 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 06 Apr 1993 13:20:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Martin Subject: Hey new found funseekers Date: 06-Apr-1993 01:12pm EST From: Martin, Linda LMARTIN Dept: Tel No: (201)-408-3692 TO: Remote Addressee ( _in%NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU ) Subject: Hey new found funseekers Hi all. I'm new so puhleeze excuse my ignorance on anything I may post. I was at NYU Indie music fest and have not sorted though the Backlog of 4+ days of mail. Just a few thigns. That May 16th thing I would be into goin if fellow ne-people would like to meet or something. also, how does go about obtaining a NE-RAVES bumper sticker or Badge or the like? Tanks, Peace, Linda [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.att.com Subject: Re: dj gossip and conversational reviews Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 12:56:17 -0400 (EDT) > check out also on fax: Hearts of space- with a medium into trance FYI- All Fax 12" releases are pressed in *very* limited quantities, usually 500 copies per release. This means that you probably have exactly one opportunity to pick them up, namely the first time you see them. I doubt you'll ever see Hearts of Space on Fax again, except for its appearance (and not the best mix, either) on the Compilation 1 CD. But there's good news, too. You can still get that track on See Saw records, which is another good label to check out for deep trance. It's not as consistently good as Fax, but it has its moments. -Ed SLiP "this into your crate while you've got the chance" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Christopher Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:53:43 EDT Subject: FUTURE...is in Krusty's II Hey kids! Well I finally have time to post my experiences, thoughts, complaints, and ideas for a better world...all of which was inspired by my experience at FUTURE! I seemed to have come away from Future with a different impression than you all. So here it goes... As y'all know I was agonizing over the fact that I didn't know what I was going to wear to Future...so Sat. afternoon Laura took me shopping. I found a sale on Red-neck wear at Rose's and bought a pair of Dickey's for 18. It was really late by this time (I'd been up since six working at the A-school on my project and decorating for a dance there Sat. night!) We ruched home, because we thought we were leaving between six and seven. The overalls were really blue so I threw them in the wash...ran to my room and started packing. Laura called to say that Duncan wanted to leave at seven (it was now about 5:30!) I ran into the shower, collected the rest of my outfit (the sign "CAUTION: Hard hats required on this job... that Inhuman mentioned, and the cat-in-the-hat hat!) I ran to Laura's room at seven only to find out we were now leaving at nine!!! We wasted to hours with nonsense stuff, stocked up on candeee!! And met Duncan, Jill and Paul for the fun-filled drive to Future. We caravaned with C'villeians who needlesstosay led us twenty-six exits astray into Maryland. When we did arrive, we, as you know, were faced with a monster line of vehicles. I scoped the road ahead and ran into Inhuman and Susie :). We got to here the beginning of NRG's set from the car...and agonized over the annoying MC (who got worse as the evening proceeded!). On the way into parking we were greated by a man who claimed to be attempting to speed up parking and he took to two dollars from us. Later we paid another guy who was taking parking money for real. (Already we were experiencing fraud and deceit, and we hadn't even gone in!!) We headed first two the chill-out building which we barely could move through. I was already disappointed by the crowd and the alcohol that I saw. We moved outside and found the rave. Well there diffinitely weren't 7,000 people there, but the mud came out for the show. The rest has been pretty well summed up by others...the best part for me was seeing y'all again; although, I know there were lots of people I neglected to meet. (WE NEED BADGES...send your money to Orpheus, SERavers, ASAP!) Also, cool and disappointing was my brush with Deee-lite!! It's amazing how a small little person with the most sunken face I've ever seen can look like the fiercest diva with the aid of a photographer!! But she seemed to be real nice..that was way kewl!! At the advice of Michael Meacham (yeah, right!) we headed to Traxx for "nine more hours!!!!" What we found was a packed club with lots of hip-hop and loads of attitude...we left at around nine (just as Dmitry and Lady Miss Kier were arriving unfortunately!) I'll try to some it up here, FUTURE Smoke, lights, and a stage show right from a concert tour..if you wanted to play live guys..why did you choose techno??? Mixed with mud, cold, and attitude created a very unravey experience!! (Which some killer A nicely altered pur moi!) ALL NE/DC/SERavers are killer...thx kids for making this one bareable!! THE RIDE from MD to TRAXX "I swear they all turned right up ahead!" and the life saving map reading techniques of Laura made this one of the funnest trips (litterally in more than one way) that I've taken!! TRAXX More attitude, the daylight, and Hip Hop told us it was time to leave. Sorry that I didn't have time to say good-bye to you all..i.e. Sin and her knew friend, Inhuman, Fluid, etc. (One minute they were in front of me the...the next, out the door!) Okay now for some reflections... This was my first DC/Balt rave, and to say the least...I was disappointed, but encouraged that what Cyber is trying to accomplish in C'ville and Central Virginia is so much needed. Raving is all about inclusion and the vibe. I remember my first rave in Chi-town, Vivarave, I had never felt more welcome in any place in my life. Krusty's I duplicated that experience...I met so many people there. At Future all I felt was unwelcome, at Traxx it was like high school two, the revenge of the clique!! Who needs it? Raving is a movement to change that in society. After Krusty's I felt hope for our generation...obviously, I thought, people are ready to accept different backgrounds, sexuality, and beliefs. I thought there really were people who believed in the brotherhood of man!! I wasn't the only one! After Future, I was depressed. I hadn't met any random people...and I was handing them fliers right in there face!!! At Traxxx I was freaked. Here was a mix of two groups that I'm a part of ...the gay community and the rave world... I didn't like either one. The clubbies joked and pointed. The Ravers stood in awe, fear, and a cloud of ATTITUDE!! I just wanted run from it all. I will have a chance to do just that, and so do you...it's called KRUSTY's II. Krusty's II brings the rave back to who it is for....the Raver not the promoter. The music will be all rave, and no hip-hop (or at least only progressive!!) The vibe will be strong. And we are all here (Laura, Paul, Rob C., Duncan, and I) to welcome you to the next generation of Raving and Charlottesville. Hey kids...it is closer and better than you ever imagined. Be sure to be there!!! Sorry that this is so long but it needed to be said. Christopher....XtoFer.....cte9q@virginia.edu Charlottesville...for now. DC/Balto...when I can. Chattanooga...because I live there. Chicago...where it all began. Peace. Love. Dance. Smile. Rave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:59:31 -0400 From: epeirce@acs.bu.edu (Erin Peirce) Subject: Re: FULL MOON RAVE neith i know the last t leaves at 12:15...but it will arrive later... i will try to get someone there at 1am instea of 1:15 but we on't want to stran anyone. call me as i may be able to hook you up with a rie (sorry the...thir letter in ri e oesn't work on this fucking keyboar!) my tele. nuber is (617) 352-6302 an i'll be home most of the afternoon/ evening. -erin epeirce@acs.bu.eu\ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: more music, part 1 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 15:16:56 -0500 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of laura@usl.com: > > It was a shopping kind of weekend. Friday night I met WillE and Eileen at > Planet X, and we listened to a pile of records. > > Spike pulled down some remix of Moby's "Next is the E." Yet another Next is the E remix? That would be the third 12"! > I never liked "Next is the E" anyway, so maybe > that's where my problem with that track started. A general "i don't like it" or because of a feature (non-feature)? You are one of the rare people to not like it. (The part i really like is the transforming... probably midi, but still...) > It's also a domestic release, so don't let Newbury Comics rip you off for it > (I've seen domestics on Industrial Strength priced the same as imports at > Newbury Comics.) They dont have much vinyl anyway, but they have hard to find CD compilations. (At least for us, Up North) > older one (post "Accident in Paradise"), it's called "Barbarella." I saw > it on CD at Vinylmania in New York, but they didn't have it on 12". Has ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ \---/ That's at par with my Vinyl Solution CDs 8) Speaking of releases, last week a friend at the radio station who works for Tabou records, brought a 12" called "Addiction UK". In the song a guy talks about selling in stores dope for 25 cents to put dealers out of biz. To also write on the label the effects, lethal dose etc... I wonder how it passed the border (they are talking about cutting alt.sex, alt.drugs in some universities in Montreal and Toronto. Wonder why they didn't include alt.rock-n-roll too!) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1993 15:49:28 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Re-Full Moon Rave What state is this Rave in ? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 15:15:53 -0500 From: "a kinky afro near you" Subject: appearances... howdy, I was just going through me mail and I got to thinking. Even if I did go to some of the same raves as those it seems the ne-ravers go to, I haven't been to any of those listed except for reverse, how would I know who the people are that invade my computer daily with their thoughts? I know there are some badges but I didn't see any at reverse. Maybe I could hook up with at least one person who can point out some others? I think I'll either be in toronto or in new haven this weekend. Anyone want to make a new friend? Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us "The mind is time and space surrounding, pounding, getting down." -digable planets ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 16:32:27 -0400 From: firenza@ee.WPI.EDU (Timothy Mark Collins) Subject: Re: Re-Full Moon Rave Massachusetts I'd assume. Tim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: brucek@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Full Moon in Massachusetts Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 16:43:49 EDT For JGoreham (issat right? :T) and whoever else is unsure: Full Moon is near Boston, Massachusetts. L8r. - Bruce --//--- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1993 17:08:49 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Me See all at Full Moon. Ill be wearing a blue dungeree hat with a red flower on it, dancing away with Julie-shaved head, black hat. Safety arriving! Love Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Nicole E Stanbridge Subject: MBManifesto, Please READ!! Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 17:26:25 EDT > From: Nicole E Stanbridge > Subject: MBManifesto, Please read!! > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 17:14:38 EDT > > PLEASE HELP ME!!! > > Anyone who is planning on going to his show PLEASE let me know. I met the > sound mixer for MeatBeat and would like to get in touch with him agian. We > hung out the whole night together and he has my number but I realize that > touring is very hectic and I don't expect to hear from him for a while. I would like to get some people who are planning on attending the show to relay a message to him for me. I know it will surprise the hell out of him. > Here is the scope. You will find him in facing the stage (but set away from > it) with all the sound and lighting shit. He is tall with a gotee and > basically shaved hair. His name is Josh. If the show is anything like ours > you should be able to walk right up to the area where he is mixing. > I would like to send out an E-Mial to you and then if possible you could print > it up and give it to him. It would be great if this could really work out. > I would really really like to get in touch with him again because we both had a great time hanging out (If you know what I mean :) !!!!! > > Please let me know about this. I hope to hear from a bunch of people at > different locations so he could get a few messages from different shows at > individual cities. > > > > THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU > > Pandora (nicole) (stanbrid@students.msu.edu) > > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Nicole E Stanbridge Subject: MBManifesto Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 17:43:08 EDT > From: Nicole E Stanbridge > Subject: MBManifesto, Please read!! > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 17:14:38 EDT > > PLEASE HELP ME!!! > > Anyone who is planning on going to his show please let me know. I met the > sound mixer for MeatBeat and would like to get in touch with him agian. We > hung out the whole night together and he has my number but I realize that > touring is very hectic and don't expect to hear from him for a while. I would > like to get some people who are planning on attending the show to relay a > message to him for me. I know it will surprise the hell out of him. > Here is the scope. You will find him in facing the stage (but set away from > it) with all the sound and lighting shit. He is tall with a gotee and > basically shaved hair. His name is Josh. If the show is anything like ours > you should be able to walk right up to the area where he is mixing. > I would like to send out an E-Mial to you and then if possible you could print > it up and give it to him. It would be great if this could really work out. > I would really really like to get in touch with him again because we both had a great time hanging out (If you know what I mean :) !!!!!! > > Please let me know about this. I hope to hear from a bunch of people > different locations so he could get a few messages from different shows at > individual cities. > > > > THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU > > Pandora (nicole) (stanbrid@students.msu.edu) > > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Nicole E Stanbridge Subject: MBManifesto, Please READ!! Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 17:48:28 EDT > > From: Nicole E Stanbridge > > Subject: MBManifesto, Please read!! > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 17:14:38 EDT > > > > PLEASE HELP ME!!! > > Anyone who is planning on going to his show PLEASE let me know. I met the sound mixer for MeatBeat and would like to get in touch with him agian. We hung out the whole night together and he has my number but I realize that touring is very hectic and I don't expect to hear from him for a while. I would like to get some people who are planning on attending the show to relay a message to him for me. I know it will surprise the hell out of him. > Here is the scope. You will find him in facing the stage (but set away from it) with all the sound and lighting shit. He is tall with a gotee and basically shaved hair. His name is Josh. If the show is anything like ours you should be able to walk right up to the area where he is mixing. I would like to send out an E-Mial to you and then if possible you could print it up and give it to him. It would be great if this could really work out. I would really really like to get in touch with him again because we both had a great time hanging out (If you know what I mean :) !!!!! > > Please let me know about this. I hope to hear from a bunch of people at different locations so he could get a few messages from different shows at individual cities. > > > > > > > > THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU > > > > Pandora (nicole) (stanbrid@students.msu.edu) > > > > > > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 17:59:15 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: HOUSE FM - BOSTON - SATURDAY Hi ne-ravers: ...a truly underground event you might wanna check out. FREE too. I'm gonna be away Thursday thru the weekend, so if you've questions direct 'em to aran/TeeP He's not on ne-raves. I'm posting it for him. Jeremy ******************************************************************************* SATURDAY, APRIL 10 Boston HOUSE F.M. TerraPosse/oLoWoP/Family Tree another underground event dedicated to the appreciation of all styles from the crew that pulled off. . .AFRO, The Monster Experience, Vernal Equinox, GalaxY, Fantastic, SpiL, OriginaL, Rise and Shine After Hours, 'n all the 3 Strikes Biz 9pm to 9am. . .DJ's TIM (WZBC 90.3 FM), Gator (Garbage Skow Toxica), ArchiE (Tower), ZonE (a Loft Original), SwiZ (DKM), AnastasiE (another Loft Original), and the oLoWoP core at 4. . .BunyiP (starport tuesdays) TeeP (home bass) DuO (QEII) Ecstasy the adjectivE (woods bomb) and PooH (on broadway). . . . As you can see this is an underground event. . . and therefore it is free. . . bring yer own suppies, etc........ Directions are as follows. . . (from back bay)take mass ave toward the city hospital. . .at the second to last set of lights before you go under the hospital take aright onto washington st. . . about 2 or 3 blocks you will see the mandelaprojects. . .keep your eyes on the left for a funky church. . .first chance youget to bang a u-turn do so. . . now you will be on washington heading back tomass ave. . . at the church take that right onto newcomb . . .just behind the church is house fm #8. . . .(Flaherty and Majors on the buzzer) hope to see you there TeeP ******************************************************************************* [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 18:04:14 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: OZ ONLY: send yr correct e-address OZ: Mail I keep sending you about house fm this weekend keeps bouncing back. send your correct address back please, or see short version of the invite just posted. Thanks. Jeremy sorry for wasting everyone else's bandwith on this. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: black dog Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 18:28:51 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) yes, and it kicks ass... totally mental techno. beatiful. shalako. he's sic. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) Subject: re: FULL MOON RAVE Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 18:50:26 -0400 (EDT) I ran into a few of the Guys organizing the FULL MOON RAVE today at Boston Beat, and they told me that they intend this to be a continuous series of events, happening every full moon. Hopefully, this is the jump start that we need to get a real rave scene going in Boston... Tonight stands to be about 25 degrees outside in Boston, so I'm not sure how tonight will be (I can't be there), but in a months time, the weather should be great for an outdoor rave. Oh, and they were pretty upset that not enough publicity went out for tonight. They plan on more in the future... -- Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com **AnnoyingBandNameSigAlert!** CrimsOrBandOfSusanSigueSigueSputniKLFionAsiArtOfNoisE.G.DailYello DaisyChainsaWettoNineInchNailSystemSeveNedsAtomicDustbiNewOrder MoodswingSt.EtiennEnigmAdamskInSoConcreteBlondEnOrbital ToriAmoSmithereenSystemSeveNirvana ...Oh, and Fuzzbox..... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 19:04:41 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: HOUSE FM - SATURDAY - BOSTON Hi ne-ravers: ...a truly underground event you might wanna check out. FREE too. I'm gonna be away Thursday thru the weekend, so if you've questions direct 'em to aran/TeeP He's not on ne-raves. I'm posting it for him. Jeremy ******************************************************************************* SATURDAY, APRIL 10 Boston HOUSE F.M. TerraPosse/oLoWoP/Family Tree another underground event dedicated to the appreciation of all styles from the crew that pulled off. . .AFRO, The Monster Experience, Vernal Equinox, GalaxY, Fantastic, SpiL, OriginaL, Rise and Shine After Hours, 'n all the 3 Strikes Biz 9pm to 9am. . .DJ's TIM (WZBC 90.3 FM), Gator (Garbage Skow Toxica), ArchiE (Tower), ZonE (a Loft Original), SwiZ (DKM), AnastasiE (another Loft Original), and the oLoWoP core at 4. . .BunyiP (starport tuesdays) TeeP (home bass) DuO (QEII) Ecstasy the adjectivE (woods bomb) and PooH (on broadway). . . . As you can see this is an underground event. . . and therefore it is free. . . bring yer own suppies, etc........ Directions are as follows. . . (from back bay)take mass ave toward the city hospital. . .at the second to last set of lights before you go under the hospital take aright onto washington st. . . about 2 or 3 blocks you will see the mandelaprojects. . .keep your eyes on the left for a funky church. . .first chance youget to bang a u-turn do so. . . now you will be on washington heading back tomass ave. . . at the church take that right onto newcomb . . .just behind the church is house fm #8. . . .(Flaherty and Majors on the buzzer) hope to see you there TeeP ******************************************************************************* [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 19:22:20 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: dj's for full moon... so, who is the dj line up??? I should be there either way!!! :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 19:21:25 -0400 From: epeirce@acs.bu.edu (Erin Peirce) Subject: FULL MOON RAVE UPDATE it's so wonderful!!! everyone is positive and i will meet lots o' ne-ravers this evening. okay...the guide from Alewife Station WILL be there at 1:00am. That way everyone won't have to wait as long and hopefully no stragglers will be left behind. Also...those of us who are funding this fine (and hopefully monthly event if financially possible) event won't earn a bean from the FULL MOON RAVE. Therefore it would be most kind if everyone would consider bringin' some bones to share...thanks. Those spinnin' the mind-altering beats... MAYHEM DALE CHARLES OVERLOAD JASON MOUSE M GEE YIPPEE!!!!!!!!! -erin epeirce@acs.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: dj gossip and conversational reviews Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 19:23:15 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i got it on vinyl, it's got the most amazing mix. i was surprised to see that the b side, which is the mix that i never play (boring) was the one that was put on the comp... love, shalako. "i want fax" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 19:29:48 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: my car was hit at reverse the night of reverse, my red nissan was hit...the police think it was the same car that hit some lady's car while she was in it, but they wouldn't tell me any more... Do any of you know what happened, i know some people saw the police out around the area my car was cause of some accident that night, the ice was BAD!!! The thing that bothers me is it is obvious that my car was hit, the drivers door was all caved at the area where the hinges were and the side panel near the hood such that the door only opens six inches and my side mirrow was smashed up...and NOONE, not the police, not the other victim, not the person that hit the car, no one left a note...i truly believe that the incident with the lady's car that got hit hit (the police said she said another car, parked, got hit as well) was how my car got hit...there was glass from someone elses lights etc all near my car If any of you have a clue, please let me know...i may wind up with a huge bill to fix it, i have to cause it is my parents' car.... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 18:16:02 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: FULL MOON RAVE and baby cries on a tune I cannot wait to pound the ground and flail my arms until the adrenalne and dopamines are going full course. I don't mind the publicity thing. I just hope the tunes are loud enough. Everybody dress warm and bring your own evian as this is probably underground. As for the person who commented on Reverse about the trancey tune with the baby cry samples...I would guess that is ORB; tune=Gaia or Towers of Dub on "Beyond the Ultra World. Too, its on the Patterns and Textures video. See you guys tonight in the fields. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 16:58:08 -0700 Subject: Re: FULL MOON RAVE and baby cries on a tune >I don't mind the publicity thing Yeah, I would be much more worried about TOO many people coming... ah well.. I wish I was there :) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Weather for the Full Moon From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 20:13:29 EDT Here is the 323PM forcast for tonight: GREATER BOSTON METROPOLITAN AREA FORECAST NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BOSTON MA 323 PM EDT TUE APR 6 1993 TONIGHT...PARTLY CLOUDY. LOW 30 TO 35. NORTHEAST WIND 10 TO 15 MPH. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Raves in tha NEWS Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 19:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Jaffe Someone posted earlier about a raving article in the Washington Times that came out right after Future. I thought you people would like to see this paragraph: "It's a total LSD party," said Ryan Copsey, a Prince Frederick 19-year old who said his only sin for the evening was a few beers. "But don't write anything bad about 'em, because then they won't let us have them anymore." Is this person a complete and total idiot? What kind of fool would say something like this to a REPORTER, whether it was true or not? Boy, the Times really knows how to create an accurate representation of a fringe group. later, peace! (increase it) -ben -- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 21:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: march on Washington DC Just wondering how many ne/dc ravers were coming to the march on the 25th?? Thats the same weekend as Ultraworld 6, so maybe we can have a get together or something that weekend. Ideas? offers? this is a good oppurtunity and it's be nice to see some of you people again :) --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 93 20:12:33 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Rave-o-Matic This is the Rave-o-matic for the week of Tue. April 6,1993 rushing this out to include the FULL MOON RAVE o.k. - i is jelous :( enjoy.. doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0vingg race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu ========================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR __________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES: __________________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, April 6 BOSTON, MA (617) 352 - 6302 FULL MOON RAVE The moon's gravity causes our planet to WOBBLE slightly in its eliptical path around the sun. In gravatationa terms, earth and moon operate as a SINGLE MASS, who center of gravity still lies within the earth, but WELL OUT FROM THE CENTER. Two BODIES weave about each other in their orbit like partners DANCING AROUND THE SUN -READER'S DIGEST TUESDAY, APRIL 6th, 1993 FULL MOON RAVE Directions are as follows: By car...Mass ave to Arlington/Cambridge Line. Mobile station on the right. Turn left onto Alewifebrook Parkway, to route 2 west...exit 60 (1st exit) Left at the bottom of the ramp, under overpass. Left onto route 2 east, right into the bowling alley parking lot. Drive to the right of the building park behind. Walk in the oppisite direction from route 2, through parking lots. Cross road at the fire hydrant, continue straight into the woods 30-40 feet until clearing reached. ENJOY! By subway...take the red line to Alewife Station (last stop). At 1:00 am a guide will meet everyone at the passenger pickup. (back of station) to lead all to the location. The FUUL MOON RAVE begins 1:00 a.m. Tue night /Wed morning. please phone Erin Pierce at (617) 352-6302 for any questions DJ's Mayhem, Dale Charles, Overload, Jason Mouse, M Gee remember...DRESS WARMLY _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 9 PITTSBURGH, PA MUTATION Recycled Productions presents Mutation Carnegie Mellon University Highlander/ Resnik Hall April 9 10pm-4am DJs: Techno Terrorists (CMU) dieselBoy (PITT/METROPOL/BOMB) Simon (CMU) Dr. Seuss (METROPOL) Kris Kersey (METROPOL) Performing Live: 187 $5 Superchill, Chill Out Room Visuals by Tranceportation 2 Rooms, 2 Stories, 2 Phat lasers by STORCH 3 Watt Lasers VOLATILE Ravegear Master Blaster(tm) Sound System 12x12 PROJECTIONS Candee no alcohol no attitude stoopid drinks _______________________________________________________________________________ Fri-Sat, April 9-10 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 466-1692 MEGA RAVE 93 (202) 296-9760 Landing Status: destination: Washington D.C. FRi. 4-9-93 time:10pm-9am SAT. 4-10-93 time:10pm-Dawn PURVEYOURS OF HARDCORE... Scott Henry (Citrusclub/Fever) Lieven DeGeyndt (MusicNow) Dj U (Thermonuclear DC) Dj Who (Atomic Vibe Balt) Dj Wash (Atomic Vibe Balt.) Tarzan (Thermonuclear DC) Lert (Balt) Cyberpsychadelic Sketti (3rd period) Stimulation: INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH Performance Art, ROCKET FUELS: Rave Poets, Jolt-Smartbar intelligent Visual Milleau, Elektrik KoolAid Buzz Gum Bass in Yo Face!! Landing fee: $12 w/flyer $15 w/out -thermonuclear productions- smashing neutrons at a warehouse near you! (thermonuclear hotline) 202.466.1692 202.296.9760 Phuthur Rave information MusicNow 202-638-3272 modern music 410-523-1882 ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 10 NEW YORK CITY (212) 465 - 2565 STOP STOP THE BULLSHIT--LET'S GET HARDCORE Together We Rave (T.W.R.) presents STOP The Rebirth of Hardcore Saturday April 10th, 1993 midnight to sunrise... Mechanics of the Night: ADAM X (Storm) FRANKIE BONES (Factory Groove) JIMMY CRASH (Storm-Direct Drive Records) DJ HEART (Under One Sky) MICRO (Caffiene, LI) K-5 (T.W.R.) DJ CARLOS (Brooklyn) tickets will be limited. Map point will be given with ticket for more info call the T.W.R. hotline at 212-465-2565 tickets on sale@Groove Records (Brooklyn) 718-714-5232 Vinyl Mania (NYC) 212-463-7129 promotions: Dennis the Menace.Heather Heather.Curious George.Gregory and Cris(LI).T.W.R.& Eddie van Raven concessions:Joint Ventures visuals and computer animation: Eno One cold water bar all night... _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 10 NEW HAVEN, CT (203) 497 - 9831 CYBERNETIC LOOP Cultura promo in association with netwerk and United Techno presents... O Cybernetic L P O werking the wax. Jimmy Crash:Storm Michael Mecham: Future.Fifth Column Overload: Deep.Sky High Diesel Boy: Pittsburgh Joey G: Riot.Mission Nexus: Hypnosis Mr. Trash: United Techno Joey Ventura: (Hartford:) Dave the Wave: Bar 9:00 PM - 8:00 AM ONLY 500 Tickets Available at: Secrect Sounds: Fairfield (203 367-1111 Brass City: Waterbury (203) 574-7005 Digital One: Hartford (203) 646-0117 Rhymes Records: N. Haven (203) 562-2508 Cutting Edge: Kensington (203) 828-3482 Trash American Style (203) 792-1630 ____ Smart Bar.Bodypainting.Big Dipper Rave Toys.Lasers Cultrua Promo UFO's are real United Techno Digital design For additional info call cultura at (203) 497-9831 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 10 BOSTON, MA BOSTON HOUSE F.M. (from Jeremey Grainger jeremias@MIT.EDU) Boston HOUSE F.M. TerraPosse/oLoWoP/Family Tree another underground event dedicated to the appreciation of all stules from the crew that pulled off. AFRO, The Monster Experience, Vernal Equinox, GalaxY Fantastic, SpiL, OriginaL, Rise and Shine after Hours, n' all the 3 Strikes biz 9pm to 9 am. . .DJ's TIM (WZBC 90.3 FM), Gator (Garbage Skow Toxica), ArchiE (Tower), ZonE ( a Loft Original), SwiZ (DKM), AnastasiE (another Loft Original) and the oLoWoP core at 4. . .BunyiP (starport tuesdays) TeeP (home bass) DuO (QEII) Ecstacy the adjectivE (woods bomb) and PooH (on broadway). . . . As you can see this is an underground event. . .and therefore it is free. . . bring your own supplies, etc........ Directions are as follows. . .(from back bay)take mass ave toward the city hospital. . .at the second to last set of lights before you go under the hospital take a right onto washington st. . .about 2 or 3 blocks you will see the mandelaprojects. . .keep your eyes on the left for a funky church. . .first chance you get to bang a u-turn do so. . .now you will be on washington heading back to mass ave. . .at the church take that right onto newcomb. . .just behind the church is house fm#8. . . .(Flaherty and Majors on the buzzer) hope to see you there TeeP _______________________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, April 13 NEW YORK CITY BACK TO BURN zooted tribe--back to burn king bud dj's joeski, dimitry, keoki, james christian and in the cellar, spinnin' hip hop dj's jazzy nice & on E visions by fluid $7 with invite, $10 without doors open at 10 pm event to be held at club demerara 215 w.28th st. betw. 7th & 8th ave. _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 16 PHILADELPHIA, PA (215) 602 - 2289 ZODIAC II loin Past Midnight Productions in association w/Zues the Creator for Zodiac II - a gathering that spreads sunshine - not shade @ Revival 22 South 3rd St. Phila doors open at 9:00 pm provoding futuristic sounds on floor One Onionz (cancer) LI Wink (tauris/aries) various east coast raves Oddesey (aries) vagabound, G.T.P Kit Kats (aquarius) Troc.Acsend Special Guest DJ - t.b.a. Keeping it NATURAL in our environmentally controlled room with tribal - Progressive - Vocal & Classic house on floor two Mark (tauris/aires) sound of the underground WPRB 103.3 Friday's from 10:00pm to 2:00 am Remic (leo) - Green Dahlin (gemini) Zodaic I Lee (leo) - Gree, Bone-up, Switch & House music conisour Tripp (capricorn) Troc Flying in from Bell Blttoms USA we have VEGAS & Rio with their 8-track Love fest disco Hour. Dont miss this platform beadwearing extravaganza at 12:00 dir & ticket info: Sound of Market II philly 215.627.4423 Turbozen pitt - 412.621.7759 MusicNow dc - 202.638.3272 Vinylmania ny - 212.463.7120 Condom World boston 617.267.SAFE other info: 215.602.2289 kudos to mom and dad, wendy, abdul, spencer, revival staff, joanna, steve, wendy, stasha, gunther, dexter, janet, dave, pia, danny, elloise darrell rayna, stacy, bazil, audre, ginger, clide, ellisa, artie, Divine Ms. M & sparkle where ever you are... _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 NEW YORK CITY NE-RAVES PICNIC _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 PORTLAND, ME (207) 773 - 6979 GRIN K.C. and the Sunrise Gang, together with Pandemonium, brought you Crusade, Sky High and Deep -- Now let us make you GRIN celebrating 1 year & 5 major events sample the future beat with DJ's frankie bones (storm/brooklyn) dante (evolution) dmitry (of deee-lite) dj eternal (evar/san diego) tin tin (energy/uk) 333 & mgee (primary/london) overload (deep/portland) debo (mindwarp/boston) AFTER HOURS 8-12am $2 with osheen, tim ryan, dave trance World Beat room with Mr Mixx&guests-ambient room-house of grins also 1st time in Northeast: Full color,full spectrum 10 watt lazer with atmospheric & kinetic graphics by lazer's edge - see God! Intelligent lights by pandemonium! exquisite clarity by strand sound - smart-lee dirnks-food-brainwave goggles funkyduds-fun toys by big dipper-Jolt/Dew/Water bar-late night mystery laugh-video-fully legal warehouse overlooking the atlantic ocean portions of proceeds to benefit amnesty international New Jersey: Scooter 201-927-2292 Washington D.C. Michael 202-639-5397 Philly:Applejack 215-602-2226 Baltimore:Cris 410-752-7305 N.H. Matt 603-886-4217 Burlington Vt. Simon & George 808-862-6236 Montreal: Tiga 514-854-6446 Bangor, ME: Raving Maineiacs 207-942-7086 Hartford Ct: United Techno 203-627-5686 /bus info, PROMOTERS AND VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO.. Manhattan:Mello Mello 212-631-4290 Brooklyn: Joint Ventures 212-629-2061 Boston: mario 617-444-1422 benny 617-267-3358 Rhode Is. Deja 508-880-2497 _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA (804) 961 - 0183 KRUSTY'S II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO At the Splathouse again! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 235 - 1131 EXPAND Stretch the boundaries of reality in an environment of freedom Free your mind and find inner peace. Sonic Soul invites you to... E X P A N D Saturday, April 17, 1993 10 pm until sunshine sun mindphuq wash ultraworld modern music atomic vibe jason jinx who bobble nasa atomic vibe sonic soul scott hardkiss scott henry san francisco fever / citrus a m b i e n t b l i s s pegas entity trip lg atomic vibe ultraworld modern music sonic soul $10 Tickets at Moderm Music 410.523.1882 Baltimore Tickets at MusicNow 202.638.3272 Washington D.C. Sonic Soul 410.235.1131 PURE BALTIMORE UNDERGROUND _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 638 - 1213 A SPRING KLEANING Saturday April 17 10 PM to DAWN $15 $15 MR. KLEAN Phunctions Phit Phor Pharoes presents A SPRING KLEANING BACK TO THE UNDERGROUND Charly Lownoise > Rotterdam, Holland Mental Theol > James Christian > NYC Dave Trance > Tom T > Just back from England Lieven DeGeyndt > Music Now International Dave Jay > Limited Tickets available > Music Now International 806 F street NW to be held in Washington D.C. 202-638-1213 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 NEW YORK CITY (212) 330 - 8233 BOOM! "when worlds colide..." NASA + Anarchic Adjustment present B O O M ! Solar flaring live performances:808 State meatbeat manifesto supreme love gods Goin' Global DJs: Moby-NYC DB-NASA Keoki-Disco 2000 Destructo-Rave America Wink-Philly Micro-L.I. On-E NASA Mr. Kleen-NASA Tony Fletcher-Communion Sean CIC-Anarchic plus afterhours with: Dimitry-Deee-lite Soul Slinger-Liquid Sky Joeski-NASA spinning in two rooms on hyper-power surround sound systems Lighting up the Heavans: Psychecyberadiant(tm) Scotto Visual Astrophysics: 808's Incredible Lasers Experience Manhattan's biggest, boldest, baddest, bustproof all night dance frenzy! at the world famous ROSELAND BALLROOM 239 West 52nd St. (at Broadway) Tickets $15 in advance at Bleeker Bobs or $17 at the door. Star Date: Saturday, April 17,1993 11 p.m. 'till 6am. INFO: 212-330-8233 produced by db and scotto in deep space _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 23 PROVIDENCE, RI (401) 751 - 5695 EARTH DAY RAVE Earth Day Rave -- April 1993 Home Planet - djs - NYC: Rio James Christian London: 333 MG Providence: Grace Reese OSheeN Emergency Broadcast Network Sound and Light Therapy Virtual Reality Experiments Join us Media Circus ! (401) 751-5695 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 BOSTON, MA (617) 629 - 0777 FIELDS OF JOY Presented by Never Neverland Productions Simultaniously hooking up both coasts! We support B.U.S. Info coming soon: Boston (617) 629-0777 S.F.: (415) 979-LUV-O DJs: Scott Hardkiss Debo Onionz Tintin (from England) Jason Jinx (from NY) _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 563 - 7880 ULTRAWORLD 6 - TEMPLE OF MOTION It's now time to bring everyone together to unify our souls through rhythm and motion. one intense room of pulsating sound, amazing visual stimulation, and a groove so funky you'll be hooked like a junky!!! RYDE DJ TRANCE DJ SUN New York Los Angeles Ultraworld ENTITY DANTE MAURE WASH Ultraworld Evolution Atomic Vibe FRANKIE HARTUNG Washington D.C. INFO LINE: 410.563.7880 Don't Just Call and Hang Up! Be Somebody!Say Something! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 621 - 7759 HIGH VOLTAGE !!! TurboZen Presents High Voltage!!! Saturday, April 24 9pm-6am Neural Transmission Event * Megawatts of Ace, Bass, Vibe disruption devices, * Auto-syncronizing visual effects for the mind, * Intellectual, liquids to keep you going all night, * Super Crazy Circus Apocalypse Side-show, and * A driving force line-up of totally schizmatic DJ's: Soji-Fu Jeff E ___________________________ Dr. Suess Side 2 | Special Live Performance | Finger +FX Simon | Super Cool 187 | Deadly Buda JediMindtrip || Terry Kicks Vic Money |__________________________| Bringing you the best of Hardcore, Breakbeat, Trance and Tribal music from all over this funky planet!!!! Phree with ticket from Tranceformer (all Tranceformer tickets must be turned in by Apr. 7) Ticket Information available at: 412.621.7759 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 LONG ISLAND, NY (516) 547 - 6129 THE SECOND COMING (on an 8 1/2 by 11 piece of glossy paper, one side fold in like MAD back cover) Essence. After May 1st Nothing will be the same... the second coming * mayday 1993 SOmeonE the Essence of Life Generation saturday - may 1st, 1993 scott hardkiss - san francisco troposohere - nasa mr. kleen - primal micro -caffeine onionz - caffeine, layaway tin tin - u.k. derek carter - chicago dave trance - caffeine, future info essence lifeline 516.574.6129 hand delivered to you by dennis the menace, kort -n- greg, eddie van raven, mello mello, toast -n- rad brad, x3/o-tomic, jeff h., fred strong chris stiles tickets $15 no wait advance ticket sales li-dj records nyc-vinylmania brooklyn-groove nj-planet x boston-boston beat additional info/busses, etc. ny joint ventures 212.631.2061 mello mello 212.631.4290 toast n brad 516.345.5517 boston mindwarp 617.266.1987 dc giovanni 703.971.4555 md chris stiles 410.752.7305 gratis li underground, joint ventures, caffeine, wonderland, blue crew, atomic vibe, ultraworld, storm, kc sunshine gang, mindwarp, rob wave, chad e. boy slipshod rob, q, catastrophic, future, primal, jason, josh rubin, klass trip zine, rise, scooter, emily, lenny m, marc, kathy&christen, nasa, the silent one, planet x, dj records, groove, vinylmania, boston beat, and to all those who support the underground... produced and presented by simon sayz portions of the proceeds to benefit the memorial wildlife federation free afterparty at caffeine ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 523 - 1882 TRIPOTRONIC 7- MAY DAY FEST ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 298 - 9000 MARS Tonka presents: A Voyage to MARS DJ's: Frankie Bones, Keoki, Lieven DeGeyndt, Dante, Debo, Josh Wink, Scott Henry + more to be announced. ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 WASHINGTON D.C. ? (301) 279 - 7927 THE MONGREL ATTACKS D. O. G. Productions The Mongrel Attacks from phone info line: Ripping the Dance Floors -- Lenny D Adam X James Christian Jimmy Crash Jason Jinx DJ 749 007 T.Shread M & M Mindphuq Live performance from DC's own: Odyssey. live appearance MC NoShame 1st exclusive Hip Hop chill out room on the East Coast You think this party's not going on? Your crazy!! ______________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, May 16 NEW YORK CITY EVOLUTION PICNIC in NYC's Central Park Picnic with the Evolution collective and Dante _______________________________________________________________________________ Fri-Sun May 21-23 VERMONT ELEVATION elevation- a weekend long rave held in a ski resort may 21-23 in vermont (smugglers notch) 2 arena's- main area- on the mountainside confirmed dj's: onionz dante jason jinx wink a place called bliss james christian alx of london disco dan mayhem osheen jason (mouse) arena two- in a lodge- anyone who wants to spin can schedule for a time and go to it. tickets are $40 for the entire weekend $99 for the weekend including lodging and access to the pool, hot tubs, tennis, racketball, ect. $cheaper id you come after 8pm on Saturday (comment from camper) more dj's unconfirmed, but lets just say that san francisco djs are being considered. (good ones) _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 29 WASHINGTON D.C. (703) 971 - 4555 VIVID Catastrophic 93 Presents: VIVID The Rave continues in 93 _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 5 BOSTON, MA YELLOW the makers of BLUE take you one step beyond... Yellow 5 J U N E 1993 welcome to the next level _______________________________________________________________________________ Fri-Mon June 18-21 NEW YORK STATE 1 - 800 - 4RAVE - LINE RAVESTOCK (212) 330 - 8233 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 26 EAST COAST FROSTED RAVE (from Tarek Elnaccash, TWE5495@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU) prepare yourselves for.... F R O S T E D R A V E June 26 3000 ravers expected Suprise DJ list/live acts to be announced Location to be announced tickets will be $15 strictly advance sale only, Discount prices for members of NE-Raves, Mindcandy, and Fuzzy Logic are available Made for people who party by people who party. This is our rave! Members od NE-R/MC/FL can purchase tickets for $5 donations. These discount tickets will hwlp us cover start up costs and must be received by the end of May. The discount tickets are available only to the first 300 people who send for them. Ticket orders can be sent to me (Tarek Elnaccash 55e 10th st rm 1507 Ny,NY 10003) Flyers for this event/regular tickets will be available soon at record stores around (complete info will be listed soon) If you dont want to wait send your flyer request to: M I N D C A N D Y c/o Vitamin Love 111 Hackensack Plank Rd Wee. N.J. 07087 Anybody requesting the flyers will receive a free copy of the MINDCANDY rave newsletter (aprox. 20 pages) Peace to all Ravers FROSTED RAVE will be the first collaboration of the three Techno-Tribes. The unification of the REAL RAVERS. ____________________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Jesse Brook McCune Subject: so long wonderful people Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 22:21:07 -0400 (EDT) well...here goes...I am leaving the list...if you don't care, fine...if you do feel free to send me private mail anytime...I am too busy right now to spend so much time going to raves and reading mail...I can't afford to screw up my schedule for a week every time I go raving, and I feel that any mail that I really want to read will still be sent to me personally...I have met a lot of really nice people at raves and through this list, but...I am at the point in my life where school and having friends with smaller groups of close friends is more important to me...I love the music, I love some of the people, but it just isn't worth the time anymore... I suppose I've said way more than you care to hear...so...bye... Live on...LOVE on...later on... -Sunshine [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 22:19:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: Re: march on Washington DC On Tue, 6 Apr 1993, Alan Michael Parry wrote: > > Just wondering how many ne/dc ravers were coming to the march on the > 25th?? Thats the same weekend as Ultraworld 6, so maybe we can have a get > together or something that weekend. Ideas? offers? this is a good > oppurtunity and it's be nice to see some of you people again :) > > --Fluid > > > > I'm definitely going on the weekend of the 24th/25th. How often do you get to include social activism and raving in one weekend ?! I agree with alan/fluid I think it would be a good time to get together at an event that is less hype and hopefully more fun. Fran [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kdd@uunet.uu.net (Kelly DeYoe) Subject: Need a ride to Mutation Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 00:12:46 -0400 (EDT) If anyone out there from the DC area happens to be going to Mutation up in Pittsburgh on Friday and can give me a ride, please let me know! This is being put on by a bunch of my friends and I've been planning to go for a long time, but now things are falling apart! :( All the usual speil about sharing costs etc. etc. applies, and I can most likely get a carload or so of people free crash space after the rave. I'm flexible about almost everything about this too, I just really wanna be there. If you are tired of many of the other large commercial raves that have been happening lately, I'd highly recommend you check out Mutation. It promises to be something different. Please respond via email to kdd@uunet.uu.net KD [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 06 Apr 1993 23:21:47 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu Subject: TECHNO MIX TAPE FOR SALE What's up everyone? Would anyone be interested in purchasing a super fresh techno mix tape that I just made last weekend? I'm thinking $8 or something Here's what's on it. SIDE A DJ DAMAGER - NOISEMAKER WHITE LABEL - PANIC IN ROTTERDAM DISINTEGRATOR - DARK BLACK OMINOUS CLOUD MIKE INK - DIAGRAM ROOTS - RACING CAR HOLOGRAPHIC 3RD - PYRONIA 80 AUM - STRONGER THAN STEEL [RMX] LENNY DEE - MICRODOT GENLOG - COSMIC ENCOUNTER DANDRO - PUPPETS RABBIT CITY #6 - THIEF OF MINDS SONZ OF A LOOP DA LOOP ERA - PEACE AND LOVEISM HYPNO-GENESIS - INDUCTION OF HYPNOTIC STATE TWIN BASS - DAZE OF REALITY SIDE B RADIATION - MELTDOWN SOURCE CODE - I'M NOT A NUMBER DANCE OPERA DEM. - PASCAL DEVICE (NEW STYLE) FREQUENCY - SYSTEMATIC INPUT DEFCON 2 - THE BLOB MIKE DUNN - MAGIC FEET [RMX] HARDFLOOR - HARDTRANCE ACCPERIENCE EP 3 PHASE - DER KLANG DER FAMILIE WHITE LABEL - PLANET 303 PRIVATE PROD. - URBAN ROOTS TWO THUMPS VOL.3 - PARTY 1 TRASHMAN - COSMOTRASH [RMX] PHRENTIC SYSTEM - REALITY -------------------------- Mixed by DJ Infiniti and DJ Lank of Phree Productions Would anyone be interested? If so, please reply. -DJ Infiniti [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 10:56:53 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: GIFs of pictures... brian scanned in some of my pictures and put them at media.mit.edu in /pub/ne-raves/incoming (thanks brian :) the pictures are: db.gif - dieselBoy spinning at donato's massive weekend map1.gif - ciamac, becca, and shannon at wonderland map2.gif - taylor and dietrich playing at passive dose map3.gif - taylor playing at passive dose map4.gif - shannon at wonderland enjoy. mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:01:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Need a ride to Mutation (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Wed, 7 Apr 1993, Kelly DeYoe wrote: > If anyone out there from the DC area happens to be going to Mutation up in > Pittsburgh on Friday and can give me a ride, please let me know! This is > being put on by a bunch of my friends and I've been planning to go for a > long time, but now things are falling apart! :( I hope you can still make it. > All the usual speil about sharing costs etc. etc. applies, and I can most > likely get a carload or so of people free crash space after the rave. I'm > flexible about almost everything about this too, I just really wanna be > there. Good, you'll enjoy it. Come early if you can we may be having a little pre-Mutation gathering/cookout, weather permiting (habatchis, woks anyone?) at Flagstaff Hill (a park near the site of Mutation.) > If you are tired of many of the other large commercial raves that have > been happening lately, I'd highly recommend you check out Mutation. It > promises to be something different. That's true, I think thats the beauty of our scene here in the 'burgh, so far the vibe at the raves is good, no 40 oz drinking mutha foocha's, no "this is my clique and not yours" attitude, no lying promoters, and an overall friendly vibe and the enthusiasm and wonder of a town that just discovered raving last summer. > Please respond via email to kdd@uunet.uu.net Ok, and here is MY plea. Someone any of you DC-Ravers should find Kelly a ride. Us Pittsburghers trek down to DC/Balto quite a lot for events. Some of you should trek up here this spring/summer for events, you may be plesantly suprised. Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1993 12:06:34 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Full Moon Sorry I missed everyone last night..... My ride was very slow getting his shit together, and we didnt arrive 'till 3 am> What time did everyone leave? Did all have fun? Love Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1993 12:33:52 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: Re: GIFs of pictures... ok.. so what are the steps involved in getting these pictures.. oh shit.. that's right.. . i can't view GIFs... for some reason my photoshop won't read GIFs that i've taken from cspace. damn. paxout. >>taylor.808 [eox] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 13:01:49 EDT From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Rave-o-Matic On Tue, 06 Apr 93 20:12:33 EDT you said: >FIELDS OF JOY ... >DJs: >Scott Hardkiss The info number now claims that it will be Robbie Hardkiss (from SF), and that the event will be held within 15 minutes of downtown Boston. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 13:01:52 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: NET Problems / FULL MOON REPORT & QUERY 1) I'm having problems with my posts bouncing back as undeliverable "error message 13" anyone know what's up? the posts are getting through to some people, but are they making it to all (eg: HOUSE FM-BOSTON-SAT) 2) well, i showed up last night with two carfuls of folks, we had to leave at around 2 am, due to people's work schedules...there must have been nearly 50 people there. The first site got busted (by Arthur D Little security?) before it even started. David (Big Fun House) and others went to locate another site. Keith and Erin circulated a phone list and cards with all the full moons for the next year listed. I'll try and post 'em later. Erin: Do you folks want small contribution$ to help cover costs? I know BFH has been doing a little fundraising to buy a generator for future full moon raves. I'll try to ask David and Sean what's up with that. Shannon? Anyone else? I REALLY HOPE PEOPLE AREN'T DOWNTRODDEN ABOUT THIS. It's a great notion and it can and will succeed again! =) =) =) Next full moon is a wednesday night. I do my ZBC show that night. I could stay on the air and the DJs could come up to the station and we can do something like last summer in the Fenway with boom boxes. whadda ya think? I felt badly leaving early....I'm wondering what transpired afterward. I'm going away (to a quiet farm house on the outer cape--hooray nature!) for a long weekend, so I may not get catch up with my e-mail til next Monday.... Peace. Keep it alive. Jeremy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 13:06:46 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: Re: GLB March on Washington DC I'm gonna be in DC w/ my hunny, David. We're staying with friends in Bal Tim Ore. We arrive Friday afternoon and leave Monday. I'd love to meet ravers down there. Any chance of setting a hook up site or? Keep us posted. Jeremy "So full of shapes is fancy" -Shakespeare [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 13:13:02 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: HOUSE FM QUESTIONS Please direct questions about HOUSE FM this Saturday in Boston to as I'll be away for the rest of the week. Peace. Jeremy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 14:26:45 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: the full moon rave...boston the first site turned out to not be a good plan after all, so we were all supposed to follow one car to a "phat" site...everyone got separated, but the group of about 6 cars that we were with had someone come back for us...they were supposedly returning to bring us to the site, but everyone came to this parking lot that we were in and Dave Mayhem's car/his ride was playing techno tapes and we were all dancing or shivering...Cindy had odd spice gumdrops, interesting and good but beware the white ones!!! I handed everyone a mardi gras necklace and someone else gave out lollipops and pixie stix...one girl could only eat things with natural sugar, so she offered me a strawberry in exchange for the necklace! yummmm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! unfortunately near 3 or so some cops came by and told us to leave...we were not loud or anything and we were doing nothing illlegal unless the lot was private. so that was the end...it was good to see people even though everyone was confused, but rest assured the next one will have a better chosen location. you must know that they put the whole thing together the night before and had a great line up of dj's for such notice, and an incredible sound system, just wish the location had been better, then we could have used all that was brought. Next time... :) Love and Frogs!!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 14:10 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: more records, part 2 Saturday Eileen and I headed out to Groove Records in Brooklyn, and arrived to find the store quiet and Adam, Jimmy, and Heather hanging around smoking cigarettes. We asked if there were any parties in New York that night, and they told us everyone was going to DC. We then whined that we'll have to miss next weekend's hardcore rave -- will there be more?, and Adam just smiled and said "wait till it gets warmer out, then you'll be in trouble." YAY! A hardcore summer in New York! So anyway, Adam looks at me and says, "you're the one who likes hard acid, right?" I was impressed by his memory, because the last time I bought records from Groove was back in January. Maybe I'm the only woman to shop there besides Heather -- yeah, that's probably it. He started pulling down a stack of records, and this is what I ended up with: Fantasy remixes by Leo Anibaldi -- I adore Anibaldi, so when I saw his name on this I snapped it right up. I should have made sure I *listened* to it first. It's what WillE would call "mind-destroying ambient." Very dark and industrial-ish, sort of like Chris and Cosey's "Trust" in feel. It's black and swirly with a female vocal sample saying something like "fantasy, you're my ecstacy." It's not bad, I just can't really use it. Crypt Corp. -- I forgot the name of the tracks, but this is one of those wonderful Fax label releases. In Fax-land, yellow labels mean trance, black labels mean hardcore, blue means ambient, and so on. So when I saw the black label I thought "buy buy buy." This track is very much on the trancey side of hardcore. It starts out with an eerie piano like you'd hear in some Bela Lugosi horror flick, and gets harder with these weird samples that sound like a raven's caw but all reverberated and distorted. I got another Fax black-label, this one called "Momentum" (I think) by Limelight. It is also very trancy as far as hardcore goes, with acidy sounds. Fire -- a very hard breakcore EP with one non-breakbeat based track. Adam picked it up when he was in Germany last week, and says "I swear there were flames coming out of the speakers when I played this there." Uhh hum. And snakes flew out of my butt, too. But it's good and hard and very bright sounding (not in the audiophile sense, but in the sense that this is hard but not dark sounding). Bad Acid EP -- This is another of those "fresh off the plane" records Adam and Jimmy brought back to sell here. (What a good scam -- get that slip from US customs before you leave the country with your crate saying that these are your records and you're bringing them from home etc. etc. so you won't have to pay duty on them coming back in. Then buy a pile of records over there and drop them in your crate. Come back, get out of paying duty by showing them the slip, then sell the stuff here. Faster than waiting for the imports to get over here, I suppose.) Anyway, this is some hard german acid on some label I've never heard of. If you see it give it a listen. It sounded really good on the large sound system in the store, but once I got it home I wasn't so sure . . . it has its good points, though. Something I can't remember, that is basically Jam Al Mar from Jam & Spoon doing hardcore. Very good, nice and hard. Odd acid and melodic parts dropped in, plus distorted dissonant buzzings in the beginning and end. Well, that pretty much wraps up this month's record buying spree. I also got a couple of new releases on Labworks that are basically acid trance. One was called "Spectral Emotions" and is highly reccomended. I don't remember what the other one was. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: TMA@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 13:29:50 EST Subject: Funny for those who work! I thought you might get a kick out of this! It is a sunny day! 8) TAREQ -------- SO YOU WANT THE DAY OFF !! LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR !! There are 365 days per year available for work. There are 52 weeks per year in which you already have two days off per week, leaving 261 days available for work. Since you spend 16 hours each day away from work, you have used up 170 days, leaving only 91 days available. You spend 30 minutes each day on coffee break - that accounts for 23 days each year, leaving only 68 days available. With a one-hour lunch period each day, you have used up another 46 days, leaving only 22 days available for work. You normally spend 2 days per year on sick leave. This leaves you with only 20 days available for work. We are off for 5 holidays per year, so your available working time is down to 15 days. We generously give you 14 days vacation per year which means only 1 day is available to work, AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT DAY OFF! THE MANAGEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (...) Subject: Re: Future Comments Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 14:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Well, I liked Future. It had its problems, but this was the first non-busted rave I've been too since the Catastrophic New Year's rave. (I won't count Garden of Eden here in philly). Anyway. It WAS too expensive. $2 to park in a mud field? Thanks... We saw 'em trying to tow one of the Mac trucks out of a mud hole as we were leaving. I did see the naked guy grabbing women, it was very uncool, I hope the guy made it out of there though, if he didn't have good friends, he's probably still there now. I got to meet SOOOO many DC/NE ravers! Lets see: Albatross, Suzie, Sin, Scott, Mike B., Bonnie, Apple Pie, Fran, Fluid, Doug, Sparkle and many more! (sorry if I forgot ya!) Fran, When me and Sin went to talk to Bones, I did offer constructive criticism on his excessive mouthing off. He said (thick, and I think exaggerated Brooklyn accent) "My BIG mouth has gotten my into more trouble..." then we walked off. You figure it out. He didn't look too friendly towards me though. Anyway, the After Party was "interesting" my first time at Tracks, it was like a Rave-Convoy on the way there, we had maybe 6 cars full of ravers speeding into DC! The after, after party at AU was cool too! Thanks Suzie and Doug!!! Hope you liked the Cathedral! Well gotta go, hope to see you guys again soon! uyyifrh@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:41 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: Rave whereabouts? Yo whassup! I am new to this list and I am interested in talking to some Rave goers from the boston area. I go to BC, and I am new to the Rave scene. I was hoping someone would be willing to take me under their wing , so to speak and show me what the deal is with the raves and whatnot. Lemme Know! ......."PsychoTropical" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 16:01:44 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: HOUSE FM QUESTIONS Please direct questions about HOUSE FM this Saturday in Boston to as I'll be away for the rest of the week. This address is correct. The first one was missing a "." between mit and edu. Ooops! Peace. Jeremy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: TMA@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 14:55:02 EST WHO DISCUSS [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 16:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: GIFs renamed. duh. okay. i renamed the GIFs on media to more descriptive names. that's media.mit.edu /pub/ne-raves/incoming that number once again is... :) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: gregrich@microsoft.com Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 15:19:02 PDT Subject: Unsubscribe... ...s'il vous-plait...merci... (gregrich@microsoft.com) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: TMA@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 15:41:15 EST Subject: Re: your mail Sorry, I was trying to mail to list server a command! and I guess I screwed up! TAREQ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 19:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: fun with GIFs check out dB-weird.gif at media with the others... (fun with color editing in xv...) :) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1993 19:14:17 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Tiffany Subject: U. Md article about Krusty's I The Hwyman posted this on DCRAVES. It's about Krusty's Splathouse (thrown by a fellow neraves member). Also of note is that neraves' laura will be DJing at Krusty's II on April 17. It should be a killer event and I urge all who can to come... Anyway, this article is fairly factual and contains e-mail and vrave references so I thought I'd pass it along... Also, is Mark Davenport on the net? Just wondering... dErEk T. ------------------------original message--------------------------- This article appeared today in the U of Md's DiamondBack newspaper. I kinda winced when I saw the title. I know a couple of the writers for the D'back and they are kinda clueless. I was very happy with what I read tho. Clearly, the author has a clue. Mark, if you are out there, I'd love to rave with y'all anytime! Hwy P.S. Please excuse the typos...the mail router did it! --- The hippie 'rave' of the future by Mark Davenport A thin, red beam shoots across the room, followed by a petite Asian girl, holding a ray gun in her hand. She chases after her friend, who is fleeing up a ramp into another part of the maze, tiny flashing red lights adorning her head. Across the darkened room, a computer screen illuminates the faces of several young men, alternately typing and smiling. The only other light comes from the futuristic aninmation videos splayed across the far wall. Pounding bass shakes the filthy, damp, concrete walls as high-frequency synthesizer melodies soar unimpeded around the room. The plethora of gadgets and gizmos serve one prupose: to entertain the escapist, regressive minds of serious ravers. From childhood toys to computerzied conversations with raves in other parts of the country, the idea is to forget about responsibility. Many raves last at least 12 hours, propelled by caffeine/vitamin mixes known as smart drinks and sometimes, Ecstasy. This rave has taken over an abandoned dairy in Charlottesveille, Va., and hay has been strewn about--presumably to enhance the bovine nature of the decor. Several cages still occupy dark corners of many rooms in the labyrinth-like set up, which doubles as an urban paint gun battlefield on other days. (Can anyone id this rave? -Hwy) The two largest rooms hold hunders of sweating dancers as dozens of lights rotate overheard, casting intense, colorful beams across the 40-foot-high walls. The dress is casual: one man is wearing a simple house dress and an enormous permed brunette wig. Others simply opt for t-shirts and overalls topped off with hats. The attitude is one of disaffection with conventional society and the responsibility that goes with it. Youths here are children of the computer revolution. They attempt to regress and escape in the pulsating music, flashing lights and blasts of fog shooting from boxes near the ceiling as if they were wearing headphones and playing video games. On the dance floor, there is no grinding, no kissing and certainly no sex. The popular myth of raves as Roman orgies did not originate at a Wahsington rave. (Anyone familiar with this myth? Must have started at Def-Con...-Hwy) The dance is one of solitude, of losing yourself in the music. It is a time of introspection, not hooking up. As a recreation, step aerobics is child's play compared to hours of dancing to hard-core techno in an 80-degree warehouse. Stamina is required, and the smart drinks help, but going past 5 a.m. is only for those with nothing to do for the next two days but sleep. Raves are commonly thought of as illegal, but few break more than a couple noise and fire codes. Finding out about future raves is as simple nowadays as plugging into E-mail or calling the number for MusicNow in Washington. So as raves become more popular (and some argue less exciting), the music of the computer age will gain in popularity, as will the beads, bobbles and baggy clothes that dominate rave fashion. Ten years from now we might look back on rave culture as we look back on the disco scene now. But as raves gain popularity, the underground will certainaly create new forms of expression and lead popular culture in yet another direction. ________________________________________________________________________ | /|\ Rain on the roadway, | | / \ thunder in the sky. | | / | \ ___ The light of day disappears | | / \ |MAX| from sight. | | / | \ |6 5| | | / \ | As the Road opens up in front | | / | \ | of my eyes. The only limitation | | / \| is in my mind. | | / | \ | | / \ -The Alarm | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "The Hwyman" | "Only on after dark." | | hwyman@wam.umd.edu | -Outlaw Radio, 101 KLOL | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| |4201 Centreville; College Park, MD 20742 phone: (301) 314-5447 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 19:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: >-----> HOM <-----< yes - its that time any folks Send in your info for this weekend :) --Fluid (brit@ravel.udel.edu) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: GIFs of pictures... Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:56:08 -0600 (MDT) > oh shit.. that's right.. . i can't view GIFs... for some reason my photoshop > won't read GIFs that i've taken from cspace. Unless your Photoshop is a special "Taylor made" Photoshop that refuses to read GIF format, I'd tend to believe it is something in the method that you are using to transfer the pictures from the ftp site (in cyberspace that is) to your Mac. Get a decent binary editor for the Mac and see if it is adding any extraneous junk header onto the file before the GIF87 or GIF89 marker. If there is no header junk, make sure that you are transfering from the ftp site (in cyberspace that is) with binary rather than ascii, and to your Mac with binary as well. If all else fails, mail me. I'm always willing to help cyberhackers who are having trouble jacking-off, errr, I mean jacking-in. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 21:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Ne-raves GIFs Could someone please post the definitive who's who for the GIFS recently uploaded to the ne-raves FTP sight. Thanks a bundle. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 22:12:21 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Re: Ne-raves GIFs wahhhhh i can't read GIF's yet... :( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 23:06:00 -0400 From: "a kinky afro near you" Subject: dropped on media lab... There's some neet-o files in the incoming file on media. I put Xochi stack back on too, in case some of you mac users never got a chance to eye it. The other files for mac users are related to the one file "!DeskPict" It lets you use normal PICT-R files for a desktop pattern. "Electric-Girl" is very cool and "CyberPort" is a perfect replecation of a Gibsonian landscape. Both are worth while. Don't give me credit for any of it, I didn't do anything but upload the things! Adios... Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us "The mind is time and space surrounding, pounding, getting down." -digable planets ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 23:06:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ravindra S Shah Subject: More misconceptions about raves... Forgive me if I seem naive, but this is my first posting... I was thumbing through the local In Pittsburgh newspaper to check out what I've been missing, and I noticed a little blurb about the upcoming (soon-to-be-live) Mutation on the CMU campus. Here's what the story says (in the "IP Picks" section): "...When you're over 30, staying up all night with a noisy group of alcohol-soaked revelers babbling incoherently from depression and lack of sleep, it's called a wake. When you're under 30 it's called a *Rave*, one in a long line of socially unconscionable fashion trends we owe to the English for, like combat boots with dresses and art rock. One such event takes place tonight [Friday] in the Highlander on the CMU campus starting at 10:00 pm and is scheduled to last until most of the participants run out of Lollapalooza stories. The hipster hotline is [412] 734-8330..." How many of you walk around at an "event" telling your friends that James really _is_ a cool band? We don't need this trash. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "Hardcore will never die" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 23:41 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: gif's There is a really cool IBM Gif viewer called VPIC out there. You might look for that. Unless of course you use MAC stuff.... ....PsychoTropical [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1993 23:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: GIFs is it possible for someone to print out these GIFs.. like B+W or something.. and send them to me? i really wanna see them.. but have no way to do it.. if anyone can do this, email me, and we can work something out.. thanks... >>taylor.808 spirituality through technology (got my new mac keyboard today! for all you "ginger-ale hell" followers..) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: dropped on media lab... Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 23:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of a kinky afro near you: > > There's some neet-o files in the incoming file on media. I put Xochi stack back > on too, in case some of you mac users never got a chance to eye it. The other > files for mac users are related to the one file "!DeskPict" It lets you use > normal PICT-R files for a desktop pattern. "Electric-Girl" is very cool and > "CyberPort" is a perfect replecation of a Gibsonian landscape. Both are worth Any of this can be viewed on an IBM? my Mac is dead and nobody wants to repair it (i would and could if i could get replacement parts!) cause i have modified it with an accelerator which is soldered in (me, myself and I). If someone has a Mac and can translate the graphics in a simple gif, tif, pcx, jpg cause there's no hypercard for IBM, and no way to read PICT. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: More misconceptions about raves... Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 00:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Feel free to Beyond the ultraworld of Ravindra S Shah: > > "...When you're over 30, staying up all night with a noisy group of > alcohol-soaked revelers babbling incoherently from depression and lack of > sleep, it's called a wake. When you're under 30 it's called a *Rave*, one > in a long line of socially unconscionable fashion trends we owe to the > English for At least they know where it's from 8). Should read the rags around here. As soon as they heard there was a relation between some raves and Internet, they jumped on that, cause Internet is the devil. Internet brings to poor Canadians illicit information. It is shoved down our throats and we are forced to read alt.sex and alt.drugs. GEEE! Yeah that's right. There is a witch hunt going on, and Internet, the devil himself must be purified. Propaganda rules here. Voir, Mirror, Hour, Journal de Montreal, La Presse and some other "technologically challenged" publications are all jumping in the Internet bashing. Some only for alt.sex because of rape and child stories (which are illegal in Canada - there is no such thing as freedom of speech as seen by americans) but some others include alt.drugs and even alt.rave... Some get their info third hand and only say that (and i quote) "some computer nerds are exchanging stories of gang rape and child molestation on the biggest computer network in the world [...] funded by public funds [...] computer nerds take their jerking material very seriously..." or the equivalent. Talk about professionnal journalists. There is one that will be interviewing me at my place in two weeks (it's time to cleanup the studio!) to get the straight dope on cyberpunks (which include the net, raves, VR etc... hehe). >How many of you walk around at an "event" telling your friends that James >really _is_ a cool band? Hey, some of us do listen to manchester too! (and some other types) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: More misconceptions about raves... Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 00:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Francois Dion: > Feel free to I wanted to write feel free to pass the info to other lists... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 01:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: More misconceptions about raves... Wow....who wrote that anyhow? BTW: did you see the CMU Tartan article on raves (Mutation), well I have to say they spelled my last name right so hey.....can't be all bad. Joe (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 01:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Pre-Mutation gathering It seems that quite a few people are going to try and make it up (or down) to Pittsburgh for Mutation. (A rave put on by alot of net-ravers I might add) I recommend that we start the pre-rave gathering at Flagstaff sometime around 7pm. If any of you locals can think of a good place to meet then suggest it. Also, if anyone needs directions or a crash space then e-mail me or mb7z@andrew.cmu.edu P.S. If you plan on bringing a hibatchi let me know and above all look to the skies for good weather! After Future I am!! Joe (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 02:46:49 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: A Message from the Underground this is a message from the underground.... The Mobile Grooves Possee presents: oooooo PHAT BEATS IN THE STREETS oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo a moving, growing, adventure to once again discover the underground. coming to you the summer of '93 -------------- thats all the info for the moment. if you want to find out more e-mail me at: dz5401a@american.edu, or fluid at: brit@ravel.udel.edu. peace. doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 09:41:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Ravindra S Shah Subject: Mutation DJ Lineup Does anybody have the DJ Lineup? ----------The tension is building------------ **************Hardcore Heaven**************** Ravi [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 09:58:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ravindra S Shah Subject: Was Re: More Misconceptions about raves Sorry, I didn't mean to pick on James (the group). I have an ecclectic taste in music too, and I happen to like James. I used that particular group as an example to show that the writer had no idea what raves are like. Please, no flames. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "Start the panic!" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 12:25:16 EDT From: WILL-E Subject: High Times article This months High Times magazine features an article entitled "Rave New World" and as expected, this is the best media report on raves I've seen yet. As a drug oriented mag, it mainly discusses MDMA, unlike many other articles which mention only LSD, this doesn't even mention it. It gives an accurate history of the scene and focuses mostly on the New York scene. They interviewed some DJs like Wink and Keoki and apparenatly went to NASA. It mentions the "48 hours" show on lsd/raves, and the Newsweek article. It also touches upon the hardcore issue briefly as "discussed" here. There's also a special on the 50 year anniversary of LSD discussing the history, culture, myths, and present day issues involved. This is my first time buying the mag and found it rather informative and impressive. Nice pictures too! WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 12:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Mutation DJ Lineup (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Thu, 8 Apr 1993, Ravindra S Shah wrote: > Does anybody have the DJ Lineup? > > > ----------The tension is building------------ > > **************Hardcore Heaven**************** > > > Ravi And now thou shall recieve..... DJ'S The Techno Terrorists dieselBoy (WRCT, RECYCLED) (METROPOL, BOMB, ToyTown) Simon Dr. Suess (WRCT, RECYCLED) (BOMB) Special K (PITT) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:01:39 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Re: GIFs send me copies too please! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Rave in Boston! Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 14:38:55 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) mayday- essence 2 will be held in in long island, i doubt the same space as essence 1, but l.i. none-the-less... shalako raves that MUST be attended: grin 4/17 portland, ME fields of joy 4/24 mayday 5/1 l.i. n.y. YELLOW 6/5 ??? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: houghton@sas.upenn.edu (Stephen P. Houghton) Subject: march on washington Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:47:20 EDT Hey, y'all! Sure enough I will be in DC for the March. Would love to get hooked into the DC scene and meet all of y'all ne ravers, queers and homosexually-challenged. So much to do that weekend, that's why I will be going down early. I will be at the Georgetown Holiday Inn (where is that in relation to anything? to the Metro or whatever public transpo is called there?) from Thursday afternoon till Monday afternoon. I can't provide any rides from Philly I am sorry to say or crash space, since this is with our local ACT-UP chapter. Give me a call at the motel that weekend. Ask for the room of either Stephen Houghton or Michael Marsico (but leave a message for Stephen). I will give the room number when I get more info. Until then, Email me or the list with your plans. Maybe I can get a badge by then? We'll seeeee..... Be good, y'all. Be well. boy prince albert [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Nicole E Stanbridge Subject: MBManifesto, Please READ!! Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:53:02 EDT > > > From: Nicole E Stanbridge > > > Subject: MBManifesto, Please read!! > > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 17:14:38 EDT > > > > > > PLEASE HELP ME!!! MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO, 808 STATE, SUPREME LOVE GODS > > > > Anyone who is planning on going to this show PLEASE let me know. I met the > sound mixer for MeatBeat and would like to get in touch with him agian. We > hung out the whole night together and he has my number but I realize that > touring is very hectic and I don't expect to hear from him for a while. I > would like to get some people who are planning on attending the show to relay > a message to him for me. I know it will surprise the hell out of him. > > > Here is the scope. You will find him set up facing towards the stage (but set away from it) with all the sound and lighting shit. He is tall with a gotee and > basically shaved hair. His name is Josh. If the show is anything like ours > you should be able to walk right up to the area where he is mixing. > I would like to send out an E-Mial to you and then if possible you could print > it up and give it to him. It would be great if this could really work out. I > would really really like to get in touch with him again because we both had a > great time hanging out (If you know what I mean :) !!!!! > > > > Please let me know about this. I hope to hear from a bunch of people at > different locations so he could get a few messages from different shows at > individual cities. > > > > > > > > > > > > THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU > > > > > > Pandora (nicole) (stanbrid@students.msu.edu) > > > > > > > > > > > > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 11:58:25 PDT From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Rave-o-Matic > The info number now claims that it will be Robbie Hardkiss (from SF), and > that the event will be held within 15 minutes of downtown Boston. This is the event that is happening in both SF and Boston that will have some sort of video link connecting the two parties. I don't know about the Boston rave, but the SF rave is going to be an outdoor event. Anyway, Robbie Hardkiss is a pretty cool DJ. If you liked Jeno, you'll probably like him. His musical style is funky hiphop-influenced hard trancy house. (Robbie also tried out vrave the night Brian hooked up a vrave terminal at the last Come/Unity.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 15:03:49 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) here's an addition to the ROM: request april 10 providence, ri mgee 333 DANTE and more... i should be there, helping with bigfunhouse...see you there! shalako [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 15:14:54 -0400 From: "a kinky afro near you" Subject: Re: More misconceptions about raves... I picked up the May issue of High Times 'cause they had this cool cover picture of a girl (raver of course) holding a glowing passifier. The article isn't all that bad, sans the many mentions of ravers being "techno-hippies" or raves being the acid tests of the 90's and other 60's throwbacks like that. Otherwise the article is pretty good. They even include some guidelines to increase saftey when using 'e' at raves. Gives some good history of where the music is coming from and came from, stuff like that. And I did learn something that has been bugging me for a while. Kick me 'cause I didn't know, but I always wondered if the dust masks were fasion or function. I've never tried inhaling Vics while on 'e' but I guess it cools you down a bit, huh? Also, on a different note. I never got around to getting a ne-raves badge when Laura was making them, and now I feel that I eould like one. Anyone got a clue as to how I can pick one up? Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us "The mind is time and space surrounding, pounding, getting down." -digable planets ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:15 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: discussion question: too many raves? I'm going to attempt to have some semblance of discussion on the nature of raving in the North East. It used to be that there were very few raves, so people had to travel all over creation to get to a rave, and that there were usually only two or three raves a month. However, once you got to a rave you were surrounded by people who made extra-special effort to get there, and in some ways it heighted the effect of the party. Now, this weekend alone, there are at least 4 raves going on that I know of. This is good in that now people don't have to drive all over creation, and each area has it's own solid scene. But I miss the days when I could be in Boston and run into Brooklyn people at some warehouse ravette thrown by Debo, or when I would see people from everywhere from Maine to Virginia to Ohio at an event in New York. I'm thinking that with all the raves going on now, something is different. The scenario where you just turn up at a rave anywhere in the North East and run into people you know from DC, Boston, Baltimore, and everywhere doesn't seem to happen quite as easily anymore. But this is offset by the fact that we now have more choices about raves -- how far to drive, what promoter's parties to attend, what DJs we want to hear, what kind of music is played. The rave scene has grown SO MUCH since last fall, and I think that because of this the scene is spintering: it's just not possible to be everywhere at once, you know? I'm not saying any of this is good or bad -- there's a lot of good points and a number of bad points, and I'm still working out for myself what I really think. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: full moon rave Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 15:38:04 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) o.k. here's the story...david mayer and the other organizers want to explain what happened... the event was put together on monday. the phone tree went out monday and tuesday. the space had been scoped by some friends and the sound was on it's way. the generator was rented and the word went out. six of us showed up at 11:30 to see the space for ourselves. we found out, upon inspection, that it hadn't been realized that the field was on the property of Arthur D. Little (a government think tank for the pentagon), and security was in effect. we knew that if we set up the system, we wouldn't make it past sound check. so we frantically looked for alternate spaces...the sound (a system that equals the loft's sytem) arrived at midnight and david mayer and the steve and paul (the sound guys) went off to make sore of the alternate spaces. nothing checked out. mark slater (dj MGee) suggested to steve gaglin(the sound man) that they try a space they'd been saving for an outdoor event. steve smiled and jumped in his van and took off. steve's a sweetheart, but not too aware. he didn't stop to think that 50 people were still standing around in the parking lot, that 15 people had just arrived from the T, and had no ride, and that noone knew how to get to the space except him and mark!!!!! so steve and paul and mark, and whoever else could keep up with them, took off and the rest of us were left behind. i had overheard steve and mark's conversation, and told david, and he led another 6-9 cars wandering around the streets until finally we came to rest at a parking lot, fuming and ready to give3 up. suddenly kieth pulled up, saying that he knew where the sound and the rest of our convoy was, and he'd be right back. anyway, determined to dance under the moon anyway we could, david mayer pulled his car into the parking lot and opened his doors and trunk and let the shit loose! we boogied, about 15 or 20 of us, until the rest of the people arrived. steve sayed the space he went looking for wouldn't work. he said it was muddy, and it was too late to set it all up now. so, the die hards (about 20-30) danced and socialized in the parking lot, until finally the cops came and broke it up. they said "party's over. get out in 5 minutes or your under arrest" well, we all left, without a word, with lots of hugs and promises for next time. no hassle. the cops were left bewildered and laughing to themselves in the parking lot, with only a few candy wrappers left on the ground...they thought they'd find beer guzzling idiots, instead they found smiles and music. FULL MOON RAVE WILL CONTINUE. the organizers promise that this will not happen again. spaces for the next FMR are already under consideration. it will be organized. it will be by word of mouth only. it will be loud. it will be spiritual. it will take place at the same time as the west coast event- a bicoastal vibe. and it will be a full moon. dates for the rest of the full moons of '93. plan on showing up if you can... wed, may 5 fri, june 4 (the day before YELLOW, this weekend should not be missed) sat, july 3 mon, aug 2 tue, aug 31 thur, sept 30 sat, oct 30 mon, nov 29 tue, dec 28 ALSO- it must be said that the organizers were VERY VERY VERY impressed with the response of ravers who gave up school work, jobs, and sleep, to dance under the stars and share in something very spiritual and tribal, and to support the developing boston vibe- thank you for showing up, and do not let this first attempt get you down. the fact alone that so many people showed up, proves, that boston has, and will continue to have as it grows in magnitude, a scene of it's own. a very special feeling is amongst us, don't lose that feeling. see you on the 5th of may. peace. shalako [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dbeame@acs.bu.edu (David Beame) Subject: pickles Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:38:56 EDT sub calendar please. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 15:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenny Eng Subject: northeast dj's just a thought: would anyone out there take the monumental task of compiling a list of dj's in the northeast and the type of techno they play? any other info about the dj's would be good too. it would be greatly appreciated not only by me, but by a lot of others on this netlist also. thanks. ken [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 15:55 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: northeast dj's I started one in like Novemeber that WAS on the media-lab archvies, but I think the archvies disappeared. If you can find it, Kenny, it's called something like dj.list or something like that. Pick it up and add to it, it's got like almost 75 entries already. Or, if anyone happens to have saved a copy they can mail to Kenny to get him started, that would be useful, too. Kenny's address is ke0w+@andrew.cmu.edu the ftp address was media-lab.mit.edu Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: Re: northeast dj's Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 16:15:32 -0500 : just a thought: : would anyone out there take the monumental task of compiling a list of : dj's in the northeast and the type of techno they play? any other info : about the dj's would be good too. it would be greatly appreciated not : only by me, but by a lot of others on this netlist also. thanks. : ken Hey, Laura did just that a while back. I saved the message so here it is: ------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 16:49 EST From: laura@usl.com To: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu Subject: The DJ list (was Re: Washington/Baltimore raves) I just looked at the DJ list for Rave 2020 and I don't think it's going to be entirely hardcore. I don't know about Anthony Scott and Frankie Hartung, but doesn't Josh Wink spin trance? When he was at LIFE he did the most weirdly ambient/trancy AMAZING set. Drool. I thought Lieven Degeyndt was breakbeat/house, too. Or at least that's what he spun one time when he was up in Boston. We should compile a list of East Coast DJs and what they usually spin. I'll start. Send me updates/corrections/additions. Please forgive me if some of the listings are wrong. They were basically done from my head and from looking at this week's Rave-O-Matic. I'll post this next week, and we can keep updating it like we do with the Techno Club List. I'll even drop the whole thing on the FTP site. Laura ------------------------NE-RAVES--KNOWN--DJ--LIST----------------------------- DJ Home Base Usual Style Also Spins -- --------- ----------- ---------- Adam X Brooklyn hardcore trance Anthony Scott DC Art Vader Bobble Boy Blake Damon Wild Dan DC New Jersey Dante New York City trance Dave the Wave Dave Trance Long Island-Caffiene trance Dayz-X-One New Jersey Debo Boston-Venus/Axis various Denard New York-Primal acid house trance dieselBoy Pittsburgh breakbeat DJ Freshco New Jersey DJ Reese New York-Primal DJ Say DC Frankie Bones Brooklyn hardcore house Frankie Hartung DC Heather Heather Brooklyn hardcore various Jacquelyn Christine New York-Primal various hardcore James Christian New York-Primal trance Jason Jinx Philadelphia Jeff Mills Jerry Jam Jimmy Crash Brooklyn hardcore john27 hardcore John Leonardo Josh Wink Philadelphia trance Keoki NYC-Limelight trance Lenny Dee Brooklyn hardcore LG Lieven Degeyndt DC Mario Genovese Brooklyn hardcore Mayhem Boston-The Loft breakbeat house Michael Meachum DC-Fifth Column Micro Long Island-Caffiene various Micro-Chip Microdot trance ambient Mr. Kleen NYC-NASA MTL acid house hardcore Mundy On-E New York-Liquid Sky Onionz New York/Boston trance house OPM DC Oshin Providence trance hardcore Overload Maine house trance Prom Boy New Jersey Ralphie Dee Repete New York-Limelight hardcore acid house Savage Boston hardcore Scott Henry DC Scott Richmond Poughkeepsie trance Spike New Jersey Suz-E Cyclone Baltimore hardcore Tim Ryan Boston-Venus trance Wash Baltimore Paul -- beloved@virginia.edu "I'm so high." - Eden Transmission psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: alfarris@mailbox.syr.edu (Drew/Ivo) Subject: Re: discussion question: too many raves? Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 17:01:11 -0400 I had always seen a rave as a 'gathering of the tribes' so to speak, people would come from all over the place to one location. For me, I always had to travel fairly long distanges to get to an event, and this whole pilgramage is part of my 'rave experience'. Truly, half the fun was getting there. Granted, problems arose due to lack of familiarity with location, etc, but these challenges made the experience much more enjoyable. The events were more intimate, you'd see people who you've met or seen before, and be sure that you'd see them again at the 'next big rave'. These experiences had a great deal of meaning to me. With more events occuring now, who knows what's next? It seems a possibility that the scene might buckle under it's own weight. Lots of people going to Raves allows more Raves to happen, but what happens when people stop going to raves? Do the people know what it's all about? Will they learn? Will the common misconception that Rave is all about drugs cause the fall of the scene? There's alot of questions to be answered about the future of the scene, Ideally _something_ positive will occur, and everyone from our generation will be able to incorporate the ideas into their daily lives, if it does, the world will be changed. But that _something_, what is it? is there a larger goal of the Rave scene? will it become a mechanism for socal change? Or am I overdoing it a bit... Does anyone share my feelings? Drew/Ivo [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 17:12:54 EDT From: Tait McCarthy Subject: subscription Could you throw me on the mailing list? Much thanks would be given. I'm down Providence-ways, and have heard that your letter is killer. Peace. Tait McCarthy (ST002002@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU) Be good and don't hurt anybody. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: full moon rave Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 16:00:57 -0400 From: kanarick@media.mit.edu In message <9304081938.AA07427@m4-167-9.MIT.EDU> you write: > [stuff about FMR deleted] > Arthur D. Little (a government think tank for the pentagon), and security was um... just to make sure there are no misconceptions, ADL is *not* a "government think tank for the pentagon:. They are a consulting company. Yes, they do *some* jobs for the government, and yes, some of those are probably funded by the Pentagon/DARPA/Defense Budget. However, they are a private company, and are not owned by the government. They do consulting work and contracting work in computers and software, among other politically correct things.... -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 17:35:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: MUTATION PRE/POST RAVE GATHERING. okay, Here's what we'll do . Friday afternoon we'll all meet at Flagstaff and chill until the rave starts(we can walk to it from there.) Everyone can just meet at Flagstaff, including the DCravers that are meeting us. We'll all go to the rave. Now, here's my suggestion for after the rave. I have a *big* house that I share with only 3 people. I propose an after-hours/chill out at my place, and we could probably get some of the Dj's interested in it( Damian? Shawn? Matt? Simon?). Since my house is so big, I not only provide sleeping/chilling arrangements for all the net.ravers coming up, but also for all the Pittsburgh net.ravers around. LIke a big sleep-over! Whaddaya think? mikebee (Joe, could you fwd this to the Pghravers list...my alias is messed up.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 17:46:45 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Poison To The Mind) Subject: Re: full moon rave Yeah, let's give up work, jobs, and sleep because dancing is more important. I mean, You can't go to those $20 raves unless you spend all your college money on them.. you could always borrow it from your mom. Agggggggggggggggggggggggggggg......... -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 08 Apr 1993 18:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: JASCHOENLY@vaxsar.vassar.edu Subject: Re: discussion question: too many raves? In response to Laura's question, "Too many raves?" I must say that this same question has bothered me for quite a while. She is definitely right about it being nice to not have to drive forever to get to each event, but at the same time it can be fun to do the whole roadtrip thing to all the raves. What I just can't understand is this: if everyone in the scene, or supposedly every- one, is into the unity that can be found in it, then how can there be more than one event in a single night? If there is just one event to go to, then everyone will usually make the effort to get there, meet up with eveybody, and have some real feeling of unity. With different events happening simultaneouslyall over the northeast, though, it IS truly impossible to be everywhere at once. You may see some of the familiar faces at the event you choose to attend,but you also miss all those other people who choose the other events. It seems that ultimately there will be so many different raves happening at the same time that no one will even have to travel at all to get to one. In that case, each scene will just develop on its own, and there won't really be any "north- eastern unity" at all. There may be a sense of cohesion in each city's smaller scene, but it seems that out of this there will be no larger sense of unity. I just hope that people will continue to travel to meet up with each other at the raves, and I hope that the sheer number of raves happening on a given night will not continue to increase. Only time will let us know whether or not that will happen, though, so we will see. jacob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 20:49 EDT From: "Take a trip to the moon..." Subject: Re: too many raves I have a question, though, about this... If the point is to spread it nationwide/peoplewide/everywhere... How would one fit that many people into one rave? People who knew each other wouldn't be able to find each other in the crowd anyway... I definitely see both points, but that was just a question lingering in my mind... :) wfs Jetta [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 19:42:20 PDT From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: discussion question: too many raves? > What I > just can't understand is this: if everyone in the scene, or supposedly every- > one, is into the unity that can be found in it, then how can there be more > than one event in a single night? Your assumption is wrong. It isn't true that everyone in the scene is into the unity; maybe some people just want to go hear the music. > ultimately there will be so many different raves happening at the same > time that no one will even have to travel at all to get to one. In that case, > each scene will just develop on its own, and there won't really be any "north- > eastern unity" at all. There may be a sense of cohesion in each city's smaller > scene, but it seems that out of this there will be no larger sense of unity. San Francisco experienced this same sort of scene growth a year ago, and what you predict hasn't happened here. Example: last weekend there were two big raves. One took place in Oakland (30 minutes from SF) and was run by some sleazy mega-rave promoters. The other rave was Vision, which took place in Richmond (also 30 minutes from SF). Vision is run by reputable promoters. They charge the same amount as the mega-raves ($20), but they give you your money's worth. They were giving away free bottles of Evian water at 3am and free oranges and bananas at 7am; they give you good music on a good sound system; they're not 21+; and they never get busted (because they hire off-duty cops as security). The Vision promoters have a very good reputation, and they have a strong following among rave-goers. After you go to three or four of their events, you begin to recognize the same people going to them. That's the unity you're looking for. These people can go to any rave they want to, but they go to the rave that's worth going to over and over again. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 22:44:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: MUTATION PRE/POST RAVE GATHERING. MIKE!!! Excellent idea!! I forwarded it to PBraves for ya. Joe "Show them we can do this!" (Your Friend and mine Frankie Bones) (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 22:49:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Mutation, who's comming? Ok, so who's comming to Mutation??? Joe (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 23:48:31 EDT From: 'Pea Subject: Who's got badges? OK, now I know for sure that I'm not the only one who's itchin for one of these wicked-sharp, spot-an-ne-raver-from-a-mile-away badges. I'll admit that I'm somewhat of a newcomer to ne-raves, but if people are going to talk about these badges as often as they do on this baby, and if it's going to make it easier for me to meet everyone (and pick them out amongst the thousands), then I'd really like one. Please, someone make it perfectly clear where, how, or from whom people (or, actually, just I) can get one. 'Peace 'n' grease. 'Pea [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 00:00:30 EDT From: WEAVERJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: To Many Raves I liked the treking to anywhere for a rave too. Made the whole experience better... But I also am glad there are Raves closer to me since I work Sundays... I hope the number of Raves does not splinter the scene.. But i think the real danger isnt the number of possible Raves to go to, but the hype now surrounding them. Anyone read Entertainment Weekly this week? They reall made fun of Ravers-clothes, backpacks, etc... And whats worse, the 18004RaveLine number was published in it. So not only will those who buy into the crap being written on Raves, theyll find them. !!!(Or at least tie up the damn line!) (By the way, this isnt my account, so dont mail me here anyone. Im having problems with my account that will be cleared upsoon) Love and Safety Jackie of JackieandJulie "GorehamJ@Woods.Ulowell.edu" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 00:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: HOOKUP-O-MATIC ========================================================================== HOOKUP-O-MATIC FOR 4/9 4/10 ========================================================================== Okay ravers and ravettes, here is the HOM for this weekend. Theres SO much you could choose from in the next few months, I'd dont know how I'm gonna cope. Just have fun and be good. Your liquid pal...Fluid ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, April 10 New York City S T O P INFO# (212) 465 2565 DJs| Adam X (Storm), Frankie Bones (Storm), Jimmy Crash (Storm), K-5 (TWR), DJ Heart (Under One Sky), Micro (RI), DJ Carlos (Brooklyn). Laura La Gassa (laura@usl.com) (call w: 908.522.6396 or h: 201.217.9192) Dave McMahon (??) .. and possibly| Eileen Reilly (reillye@Cyanamid.com) Ed Horch (??) Will-E (perez@Andromeda.rutgers.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, April 10 New Haven, CT CYBERNETIC LOOP INFO# (203) 497 9831 DJs| Jimmy Crash (Storm), Overload (Deep), Joey G (Riot), Mr Trash (UT), Michael Meachem (Future), DieselBoy (Pitt), Nexus (Hypnosis), Joey Ventura (Hartford), Dave the Wave (Bar). Cindy Kawakami (kawakami@usfca.edu) Neith Preston (ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, April 10th Pittsburgh, PA M U T A T I O N INFO# Unavailable DJs| Techno Terrorists (CMU), Simon (CMU), Kris Kersey (Metropol), DieselBoy (Pitt), Dr Seuss (Metropol). + LIVE performance by 187 Mikebee (mb7z+@Andrew.cmu.edu) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, April 10th Boston, MA BOSTON HOUSE FM INFO# Unavailabe DJs| Tim (WZBC), Gator (GST), ArchiE (Tower), ZonE (Loft), SwiZ (DKM), AnastasiE (Loft), BunyiP (Starport), TeeP (Home Bass), DuO (QEII), Ecstacy the adjective (Woods Bomb), PooH (Broadway), and the oLoWoP core at 4. Camper (camper@buphy.bu.edu) (also at Venus de Milo tonight and Axis tommorrow) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, April 9th Richmond, VA Saturday, April 10th Charlottesville, VA V I T A M I N - C INFO# (804) 961 0183 DJs| Dave Javate, DeCay + guests Derek Tiff-on-E :) (tiffany@urvax.uric.edu) - Friday/Saturday XtoFer (cte9q@virginia.edu) - Saturday -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- DESPERATELY NEED RIDEZ!!!!!! HELP!!! ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Mel-zo-rama (melzie@wam.umd.edu) FROM: College Park TO: MegaRave 93 Alvin (Laibach@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu) FROM: JHU TO: MegaRave 93 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _ thanks again... (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 00:37:49 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: Re: To Many Raves i don't know about you guys... but, going from NYC to maine for GRIN seems like a trek to me. just ' cos there's raves everywhere.. doesn't mean the GOOD ones (well, the ones i prefer) are near. i LOVE roadtrips too. (the one to LIFE was heavenly.. ahh... memories, eh ed + laur? :) roadtrips are indeed part of the whole raving fun... hmm.' don't really know what my point was... have fun this weekend. >>technospace [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Some *audio* action Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 01:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Strange title hey? Well, let me tell you a story to go with that: Regularly i see on CDs (even some vinyls like LFO) you see: warning: this recording may damage your speakers Ahah. Well, some months ago i killed a tweeter (with my 100W tube amp and this baby has seen 500W crown amps...). Now it's not that big a deal since i didn't put protection on it. But, today, i didn't blow a tweeter. Not a mid either. Not even a woofer. What did i blew up? MY AMPLIFIER! This is not a joke. Actually it was not with a CD, but with my sampler (a Gravis Ultrasound). Now that i mostly use a dual CD player (a Denon 2000F) as my main source for DJing (with the sampler beeing almost as used as my Technics tables), this is somewhat of a concern. You cannot hear distortion if you drive too loud, and this heavily tax your equipment. In my case, i should have set the input gain lower, but hey that's life. I was playing music pretty loud, and at some moment (i had been mixing for about half an hour at a high volume) i look in the direction of my amps and i see that one tube (6CA7/EL34 for tubeheads) on one of my amps is glowing red! And the intensity is directly proportional to the volume... I shut everything off, but it's too late. DANG! Something broke in the tube. Of course the other tube of the pair did suffer, so i had to change them both... Now, did this happen to any of you, or am i the only one to use CD + tube amp to mix? (BTW, this is my house setup. I wouldn't bring my tube amps for a gig) Also, regarding the Denon 2000, as i was reorganising my studio, i found a good way to mount the Denon remote: my mixer is a rackmount type, so i put two tracks and put the remote just in front of the mixer (now it looks like one big m.f. mixer) and it's a breeze to mix with that setup. Anybody has a tip for organising wires? Got 15 stereo cables connected to the mixer, another 26 to my computer and it's not pretty. I did put labels on them to know what is what, so that part is ok, but for the visual, what people use? Shrink tubing? flexible hoses? tracks? hide everything behing and below the mixer and use a patch bay? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 02:11:13 -0400 From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Subject: stufff hey you silly mofoz. i had F.U.N. at fyoocher in DC, and I wont ggo over a singgle detail becuz youve alreddy heard more than you should. peace to all those cool people i met and remet and reremet. i will be at tuneinn saturday in CT as if you guyz asked. i'll be ggivin a discount on autoggraphs too. anyway, pocket change on the terrible TERRIBLE evil-ution of the rave scene: there are dicks everywhere, so if i travel six hours or six minutes i dont care, as long as im with me mates if you know whut i mean. i dont think a rave is excatly the best place to meet people. at least i dont think ive ever really met anyone at them....nothing substantial anyway. hey its not if i didnt just head to DC two weekends in a row... and thats what it's all about. i think. well like i think. :) so. so. i'm ggonna bugg. --Kreig, SparklE.... poseur!!! PS Mike Battaglia, you better UPS me half a cookie. im hunggry. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: sound quality Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 02:13:52 -0400 (EDT) One last thing before i shut up and go to sleep: Any of you bothered by the horrible sound quality on a lot of techno recordings? I was listening to a lot of hardcore on CD today with my headphones (remember, i dont have amps now... well till tomorrow) and for example, most of the stuff from O. Adams et al (Praga Khan, etc...) has incredible amount of noise, lack of high ends etc... Other examples are some Rotterdam stuff, some +8 stuff (cybersonik beeing the worst). And if you want to hear the ultimate worst recording in history, check Chris Sheppard 2 - Sheppards revenge (CD compilation on !hype) song: Magic feet by MD Connection. Ok, the original was recorded in 1989, but still... If you want to hear cassette tape noise (dolby B mushing included!) that's the track! On this same compilation, wild child by QX1, is also poorly recorded, with a fan noise or something on the left channel... Now, i wont talk about 12" that have been played 20 times... On a happier note (what do you expect from me, when i cant find a fuckin place for my rave, my amp blows up, contracts are rare etc...) i did find much more well recorded songs than badly recorded songs. Speedy J - something for your mind is well recorded. And in more hardcore: Smash - Nachste station konstablerwache is also very well recorded. Well, anyway, i wont read what's on all my CDs... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1993 02:56:46 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: Re: sound quality ahh... remember.. most techno is churned out in bedrooms late at night... and sent to the plant to be pressed the next day... yeah, techno sound recording aren't golden... but, that's not really the nature of the music... leave it to moby and T99 whose labels will pay for big studios to have good recordings.. meanwhile, you can find me pumping signals into my DAT deck right here at home... :) >>technospace:808 spirituality through technology [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: m.rachinsky@genie.geis.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 04:15:00 EDT Subject: Down The Rabbit Hole PEACE UP! I just sent a bunch of itsy bitsy characters to a big metal box in MA. to unsub from this server. :( Although I just love it, the sheer volume makes it too costing to net in. I noticed some groans getting GIF, or other stuff on a Mac, maybe I can help. Although I'd say ESPF or PICT is way the to go. I am looking to get a ride (or a really big slingshot) to Grin in Portland. I live in New Britain, CT, near Hartford. My classic Benz needs parts from Germany, they say it could take weeks! =:0! Wire m.rachinsky@genie.geis.com or ring (203)224-6639. "Well I've often seen a cat without a grin," thought Alice; "but a grin without a cat! It's the most curious thing I ever saw in my life!" MEGA THANX, MARK [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 04:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Michael Goller Subject: Re: HOOKUP-O-MATIC MUTATION IS ON FRIDAY NOT SATURDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INFOLINE (412)734-8330 Ok Folks, It's on FRIDAY. Not Saturday. April 9th, not 10th. Just want to get it straight so people show up on the right date. Sean Techno Terrorists wipeout+@cmu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 04:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Who's got badges? I got one, it just came today. Thanks Taylor! Joe (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 05:25:32 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Running up that hill) Subject: Re: Some *audio* action DI> about half an hour at a high volume) i look in the direction of my DI> amps and i see that one tube (6CA7/EL34 for tubeheads) on one of my DI> amps is glowing red! And the intensity is directly proportional to the DI> volume... I shut everything off, but it's too late. DANG! Something DI> broke in the tube. Of course the other tube of the pair did suffer, so DI> i had to change them both... Now, ya know, maybe in our wonderful world of digital sound, and analog tubes, we're too soon to forget about the analog devices out there, that should be in ALL our PA racks... Compressors, and Limiters. Either device would have sufficently reduced the dynamic range of your signal, pre-amplifier, enough to protect you... Tubes _DO_ glow like that, and it's because of a piece called a filament, heating the plate inside the tube so it'll bias. Maybe something else is gone. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 05:40:04 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Running up that hill) Subject: Re: sound quality Dion writes, in the third message of his I'm responding to in a row: DI> Any of you bothered by the horrible sound quality on a lot of techno DI> recordings? I was listening to a lot of hardcore on CD today with my DI> headphones (remember, i dont have amps now... well till tomorrow) and DI> for example, most of the stuff from O. Adams et al (Praga Khan, DI> etc...) has incredible amount of noise, lack of high ends etc... Other DI> examples are some Rotterdam stuff, some +8 stuff (cybersonik beeing DI> the worst). And Home equiptment, with people who have no clue about home recording. I think we've got another case of the "homeboy music production system in action. The type of people who walk into your local music store and go "Oh, I'm gonna make some music today" and then buy up all the analog gear and all the drum machines cause they think they sound good _in the store_ and then slap a poorly EQ'ed and mixed track down to DAT (cause they got the money for one) and then press it (once again, becauase they've got te money to, and all the Mastering-House Eq-ing processes in the world won't save that track that lacks high-end).. You can't put in what you don't have in the first place. In the case of hardcore, Distortion EATS the entire dynamic range of the signal, and well, enough said. Compressing distortion, only removes the effect. but when Kick/hat/snare/the lot are distorted, and then an analog synth with immense low-end-boom come in, you're all done. Time to leave the studio and start over. some tips: Depending on the EQ system of your mixer, use it wisely. on Notch EQ, you have alot more flexibility, becuase you can specifically remove or add sets of frequencies. With the EQ's present on Mackie mixers, they are sort of Shelf-ed EQ: turning up LOW increased everything <100Hz, and turning up HIGH brings up everything from about 8kHz and up... Use a graphic eq when necessary... Did you know with a 31-band eq you can pratically get ACID sounds out of a 505? :) Eq's are just simple filters... Don't mix on headphones, unless they're GOOD ones (Sony V-6'es (albet too much high end) , Sony V-600's (again, over kill on bass, but feasable.) Schenihauser or Audio Techina is a better bet, with a flatter response curve. Mixdown to near-field monitors out of an ampilifer that's fairly flat.. i.e. carver magnetic field amp to TOA or JBL 3650 monitors... --- On hardcore tracks, I've seen them use a single analog note (like a HUGE jupiter sound in unison-mode) and then put a 909 kick on top of it.. you get this monsterous sucking sound, and the analog note starts to vibrate with the kickdrum, and it sounds like the entire song is oscilliating.. the distorted (forgot to say distorted kick drum above) kick drum eats all the dynamic range, and you get that effect.. but hey, WE LOVE THAT. :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: full moon rave Date: Fri, 09 Apr 93 10:29:29 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) where _john_'s moebius streets run cracked: >Yeah, let's give up work, jobs, and sleep because >dancing is more important. it is. >I mean, You can't go to those $20 raves unless you spend all your college money >on them.. huh? well, you could work... all of my college money? boy don't i wish. where is all that money anyway... >you could always borrow it from your mom. lucky you...i've got more money than my mom, and i'm completely in debt... dance while you still can. shalako [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: full moon rave Date: Fri, 09 Apr 93 10:36:43 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) where _brendan_'s moebius streets run cracked: >If its going to be word of mouth do you mean not announced on >NE-Raves. word of mouth = phone tree = modem tree = it'll be announced on the list either i or erin will post the info as soon as we hear... "ever danced with the devil under the pale moon light?" no, but i stuck my head in a bass bin under the full moon light... mmmm...i can't wait to pray to the speakers and the moon at the same time... shalako [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 11:19:22 -0400 From: The Perculator Subject: Moby compilation CD Hey everybody! The other day, I saw a CD that was a compilation of Moby's old stuff (when he was under different names, ex. Voodoo Child). I like his new CD very much so I was wondering if I should get it. What does his old stuff sound like? Is it similar to the new stuff? Thanks, Hal [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 09 Apr 1993 11:44:50 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Subject: Too Many Raves I agree with the point that fewer raves promote unity. I think the fre- quency of the events has a lot to do with the energy and vibe at the events as well. I hope that raves don't become so routine; it seems that this would cause the rave promoters/party-throwers/organizers to search for more gimmicks to attract people and heighten the experience. This is the same problem I see in dance music - most of it just isn't enduring (however, I think it's getting better - less gimmicks, and more music). In order for the scene not to become a novelty, we can't treat it as such.. As far as seeing people from all over - I think that's probably one of the coolest things about the scene - the pilgrimage.. I guess it's our distance apart that brings us closer together. Unity through diversity (and distance)! Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: sound quality Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 10:05:18 -0600 (MDT) > leave it to moby and T99 whose labels will pay for big studios to have good > recordings.. Moby recorded most of his album, including the big single "Go" in his bedroom. Instinct is hardly a "big label". [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 12:10:10 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: Moby compilation CD On Fri, 9 Apr 1993, The Perculator wrote: > The other day, I saw a CD that was a compilation of Moby's old > stuff (when he was under different names, ex. Voodoo Child). > I like his new CD very much so I was wondering if I should get it. > What does his old stuff sound like? Is it similar to the new stuff? when i was last at a Tower (in seattle) they had this new moby compilation. don't remember the name, but it's very similar to instinct dance. has a lot of the same stuff. give me a break. but yes, the older stuff is good, and it probably doesn't matter whether you get this new old-comp or the actual old-comp (instinct dance)... does this new one mean instinct dance is No Longer Available? mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 12:57:18 -0400 From: mIkE rObErTs Subject: Re: More misconceptions about raves... > I always wondered if >the dust masks were fasion or function. They are also used for inhaling video-tape head cleaners and other such petroleum-based products. If understand correctly, it gives a nitrous-style spacey headrush. It is supposably good for dancing. I don't like to mess with shit like that. Could screw you up pretty bad. Although, if they come up with a more natural drug that did the same thing........ Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 13:29:51 -0400 From: "the third eye library" Subject: Re: More misconceptions about raves... In message <199304091657.AA00225@rac3.wam.umd.edu> mIkE rObErTs writes: > > I always wondered if > >the dust masks were fasion or function. > > > They are also used for inhaling video-tape head cleaners and other such > petroleum-based products. If understand correctly, it gives a nitrous-style > spacey headrush. It is supposably good for dancing. I don't like to mess > with shit like that. Could screw you up pretty bad. Although, if they come > up with a more natural drug that did the same thing........ > I can see where having whatever you are inhaling stuck to your head could be dangerous. I know that sometimes when I do n2o the only thing that saves me from passing out is that my hands fail to function and the balloon drops. I have a friend that got pretty screwed (hospital and stuff) when he did nitrous from a tank. He had a mask on and I guess that he liked it so much he kept the mask on a little too long, you know. I think he was testing how far beyond the whaa-whaa belt he could travel! :) Also, you ever notice how long one subject header gets re-cycled. I wonder when the "Re: More misconceptions about raves..." is gonna die? Just easier to hit "Reply" I guess. ;) Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us "The mind is time and space surrounding, pounding, getting down." -digable planets [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 14:27:54 -0400 From: Dan English Subject: venus de milo in boston venus on thurdays has taken a new direction- that of the old. the door to bills bar next door is shut, to keep out the yuckos. last night was packed and exploding with energy and good vibe. hope this keeps up. guest dj's this month: 15th-tin tin 22nd-robbie hardkiss (from san francisco) and Guy DMC from the UK 29th-troposhere weekly dj's-debo, tim ryan, 333, mgee. hosted by mello. -camper. * stay groovy. camper english it ain't easy, being cheesey @buphy.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.att.com Subject: Re: Some *audio* action Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 14:18:52 -0400 (EDT) > Well, some months ago i killed a tweeter (with my 100W tube amp and this > baby has seen 500W crown amps...). OK, quiz time: Why did Francois' 100W amp blow a tweeter when a 500W amp didn't? > i see that one tube (6CA7/EL34 for tubeheads) on one of my amps is glowing > red! And the intensity is directly proportional to the volume... I shut > everything off, but it's too late. The cathode heater in a tube is designed to maintain the proper temp- erature under nominal ambient heat levels. When you're running a tube beyond its rated power, it produces enough of its own heat that it overheats and dies. Unfortunately, it's not as easy to hear when a tube amp clips as when a solid-state amp clips, so you were probably running at above rated power and didn't know it. Or, you were running it at or near rated power, but the tube was getting gassy and was no longer up to spec, and couldn't handle it. Now, about that blown tweeter: When you run any amp enough above rated power that it clips severely, what gets sent to the speakers resembles square waves more than sine waves. Recall that a square wave is really the sum of an infinite series of sine waves of increasing frequency. Presuming your amp can generate those frequencies, as most modern DC-to-daylight amps can, the bulk of the energy you're sending to the speakers is all these high-frequency sine waves, which the speaker's crossover dutifully sends to the tweeter. Chances are that if your speakers' rated power is close to the amp's rated power, then the rated power of each individual driver is much lower. So if what gets sent to the tweeter approaches the rated power of the whole speaker system, well, kaboom! Most professional grade amps have overload protection (or at least an indicator) and many professional grade speaker systems have fused drivers, but most consumer grade equipment doesn't, and is more than happy to destroy itself if you tell it to. -Ed SLiP "over to rec.audio.pro" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 16:31:16 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: so where is the loft anyway? anyone want to give me directions? (in case i should decide to go this weekend or *sometime*) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 16:46:41 -0400 Subject: sorry bout the mess ups, just a little unfamiliar as yet...... don't mean to waste your time. please forgive me..... humbly, Kumquat@acs.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 17:19:31 -0400 From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Subject: April 9, tonite yoyoyoyoyoyoyyo i am gonna be in Noo Yawk tonite, at Future Shock cuz me boyo'z band is playing, mosesonacid. if any of you NYC people are gggoingg, check me out. i wont have a badgge, so be sure to wear yours. ;) i think ill have my black Explosion shirt on. well back to meaninggless posts. SparklE. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 17:27:37 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: ride!!!! oops....cindy and i need a ride to and from cybernetic loop/tune inn....we need to be back to boston by 2:30 for cindy's plane...is there anyone who can help??? call or write me... thanks you! love and frogs!!! neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Some *audio* action Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 17:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Running up that hill: > > Now, ya know, maybe in our wonderful world of digital sound, and > analog tubes, we're too soon to forget about the analog devices out there, > that should be in ALL our PA racks... > > Compressors, and Limiters. But that's not my PA rack! That's my home system. Compressors tend to get out of phase the signals and the stereo lack luster because of that. > Tubes _DO_ glow like that, and it's because of a piece called a filament, > heating the plate inside the tube so it'll bias. I had noticed that John. What i meant was not the filament, but the shell between the plates that was glowing red! > Maybe something else is gone. No. It was just one tube. The other was still ok, but since i have to readjust the bias anyway, i bought a pair, so i'll have one spare in case of emergency... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 19:04:05 -0400 From: "the third eye library" Subject: Boston House FM Can anyone tell me a little about this event. I would be driving down from vermont and I'd like to hear if people think that it would be worthwhile. Should I just drive a little longer and go to Cybernetic Loop, or whatever its called. The only thing about that is I don't have any way to get tickets and it says in the good ol' r-o-m that there are only 500 tickets being sold. I REALLY want to go to a rave this weekend and I don't know where to go?! Please help... Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us ********************* "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1993 20:12:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Mix tapes.. Just wondering if anyone had any DJ tapes they wanted to trade or sell copies of. I'm interested in anything you have but am looking for Wink, Debo, Scott Henry especially. For trades, I have Dante, Frankie Hartung, and the Vision tapes - Spun, Tony, Josh, and Jeno. thanks :) _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 02:41:44 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: Re: Mix tapes.. hey frankie bones sells his mix tapes (like... over 20 of them) for a mere $20 apiece!! i wonder if there's more talking.. or more music... hey.. i'd pay far over $20 to hear frankie babble.. i want 'em all! >>T:808 (puke) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 4:55:34 EDT From: WILL-E Subject: Re: rave culture > After over a year on USENET, I've pretty much learned not to take anything > personally :):) Cool. Then you know where I'm coming from. Sorry I took so long to reply. > that these drugs are relatively safe, but things HAVE happened (didn't a > girl just recently die at a rave from severe dehydration on the east coast Nope, she had an epileptic attack as far as I know. > recently?) Even though the drugs are safe, you can still do a lot of harm > but not being smart about using them; and if you have 20,000 people, the odd I would hope by know that ravers are familiar and somewhat educated about drugs. > arise the media would try and connect them with the rave itself... In Britain, ravers have taken the role behind the camera to show a different perspective & counter the mass media. This would coincide with your idea to show that we are "normal" <-- damn I hate that word. > renegade parties. I remember hearing the cops had bought a helicoptor for > the expressed purpose of finding large groups of dancing people (they should Yup, at the rave-festival I went to, cops flew over in helicopters. Didn't change anything, except a lot of middle fingers were pointed at them. It was held on private property. Gee, isn't that 9/10 of the law here? HINT! > a hard time if my 20 year old son suddenly had a fondness for Sesame Street > characters and baby teethers. That speaks for a small, and poseur like, percentage of ravers. Don't know if that's what you're into. I think, society wise, the problem is more a political one. No companies or multinationals are hardly involved. With the exception of sound equipment, the powers that be have little control over the scene. It's mostly run by and for ravers. It's underground & rebellios and out of their hands largely. > Raves are about liberation, freedom, doing what you want, dancing how you > like, that freedom leading to personal insight and possibly remotivation > back into the real world. Okay, so that's my IDEAL. But it has happened My point here is that you don't need a rave to achieve these things. Raving hasn't changed my view of the world, it just coincides with it. The fundamentals are old and, in part, a reaction to staunch conservatism over the past decade. If it weren't for raves, it could have been anything else. This is just the form it took. > Reams and reams I have to say here... um... is a new method of communication, > a new mode of thought, a new way of looking at life and a new way of teaching > people about all this considered either political or religious? I don't see what's so new. Would you explain this a bit more? As above, I don't find a collection of similarly minded people to be "new." Perhaps you have been introduced to this scene and it changed your life. People who are "converted" I believe are subjective about the experience. This isn't the case for all though. > There are people out here (and I'm not saying I agree with them, just so > you know their viewpoint exists) who see raves as the next step in human > evolution... OK, this is what I meant about starting a new political movement or religion. > just as much fun at a frat party? Do you think there's something in it I wouldn't go to a frat party. I've been having micro-raves before raves. > It could be a side effect of the current youth-alienation-crossed-with- > technoculture, sure; but the term "side-effect" presumes that this is a > dead end, that nothing will develop from it, and as soon as some initial > conditions change this will cease to exist. I think these are false... I speak from my perception of events in England which, and I don't think I'm too far off here, pave the way for what's happening here. I'd say we're experiencing England a year ago and have been for a few years now. The rave scene is largely over abroad. Mostly it started as a rection to clubs closing early, shit musick, shit djs. The scene motivated musick lovers to react, change things, motivate the scene. Since these ideas are revolution- ary and anti-establishment, it became somewhat political. I'm sick of top 40 musick created with a formula and intended for commercial success and popularity. I'm also sick of house music as that has taken the same path. Now that things are headed in the "right" direction, maybe there's no point? Mission accomplished? This is a positive means to an end. However, there's also a sense of corruption creeping into the rave world. People getting greedy and either not knowing or not caring about its original intentions. In this case, we need to regroup and start again. The underground of the underground. If things get really bad again, something new will come. > Brian WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 05:16:48 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (raised on robbery) Subject: Re: full moon rave SH> >Yeah, let's give up work, jobs, and sleep because SH> >dancing is more important. SH> SH> it is. SH> Fuck you, be realistic, grow up, enough said. don't kill yourself like a teenager. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 05:20:41 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (raised on robbery) Subject: Re: sound quality I know it's a common myth that "GO" was recorded in his bedroom, but if this is so, he's got a 24 track in there.. Maybe the original of GO was done in his bedroom, but the one on the instinct dance come is 24-track , overprocessed commercial stuff. :) Certainly not the synths&a couple FX boxes and DAT machine setup most people have in their rooms.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 02:32 EST From: PARK%BABSON.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: I WANT TO SUBSCRIBE Hey, Ne-Ravers, I just found out about this network from a couple of friends from NYU, so please hook me up with this. In regard to a review that was transferred from NYU, the Lenny Dee 12" under the name "Knight Phantom" is kicking!!! Although I do agree that it may be under-done, but it still is kicking!! Also, a new compilation that is out called "Rauschen 3" from X force inc. label contains tripping break beats with pure hardcore. It does however contain old tracks. At least, the ones I didn't recognize were new to me. Here's a list of what's on it. N.R.G.:I need your love Biochip C.:Hell's Bells Alec Empire:You must confront Speedfreak:Time to Die/remix Mike Ink:Lovely ugly brutal world Alec Empire: Suecide 3rd rail:123 break Force Mass Motion: Collision course Biochip C.: The Nightbreed is back Parrot Torture: Parrot torture Exit 100:Stagediver hit the ground Space Cube:Time to kill another one Biochip C.:Skizophrenic Alec Empire:Hetzjagt auf Nazis Mike Ink:I need your love/remix I didn't like the Mike Ink remix of I need your love. Maybe I'm just too used to the original, but the pure Rotterdam type hardcore just doesn't seem to mix well with the break-beaty tune. But that's just my opinion. Once again, hook me up. Thanks and more. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 06:33:55 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Summer HOM/FF List proposal HOM=Hook-O-Matic=FF List=Friendly Folks List=MWraving=Meet While Raving - there, that's what it's called on several of the lists...I'll tend to just say HOM...or FF... OK all, I've been thinking that mebbe a Summer HOM thing would be a good idea for people who aren't gonna have net access over the summer/etc...alot of people have seconded the notion...I have < 1 month of school left so now would probably be a good time to start on this...I propose sending out the full list on May 1...let me know if this is a problem... Now, the key to this is having everyone follow the same format...although nobody seems to respond to the normal HOM/FF lists do mebbe this won;t be so bad...anyway, I think the format I'd like to see would be something like.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richmond, Va. All Summer Derek Tiffany - tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu - will have access to e-mail all sumr 804-281-1903 - call any time, and I should be checking my e-mail daily have PLENTY of room to crash/gather in...will be going to DC/VA raves...mebbe NE No one - raver@richmond.doesn't.happen - etc... 999-888-7777 - so on... this is obviously a fake, there aren;t any ravers in Richmond... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Washington DC May to June Joe Raver - etc@you.get.the.point - I'm graduating and they're taking my account 111-222-3333 - call between 3-4 AM only my mom doesn't let me go out or have visitors...but if you knock her out... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- so, everyone would have 3 lines to get their point accross...basically... plus the headers... Where you'll be When you'll be there who you are - your e-mail address - wether you will have net access/etc... how to get in touch with you/when they can/etc... one more line about what you'll be doing/what you can offer/will need/etc... any input on this? should we include normal mail addresses? is this all a waste of time? Any format suggestions? As long as we agree on a format that everone follows I can do this for as many rave lists as...so, send me format ideas and I'll try to finalize it by about Wednesday and post again... oh, this is going to NE/SE/DCraves...should we include other lists...one for each list...would mebbe someone on each list wanna do it and then combine? input input input! later days and sunny rays, -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | Join the SERAVES list! University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain dErEk if you prefer... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 12:12:29 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: Ne-raves GIFs On Wed, 7 Apr 1993, Alan Michael Parry wrote: > Could someone please post the definitive who's who for the GIFS recently > uploaded to the ne-raves FTP sight. Thanks a bundle. okay. here's what's there... -rw-r--r-- 1 6 0 214642 Apr 7 19:09 dB-weird.gif -rw-r--r-- 1 6 0 214705 Apr 7 10:36 dB.gif that's dieselboy spinning, and apple pie behind him. (at donato's house, the weekend of massive dose) -rw-r--r-- 1 6 0 229494 Apr 7 10:36 passive.dose.gif that's dietrich in white, and taylor farther back (playing at passive dose, the after-hours for massive dose) -rw-r--r-- 1 6 0 238924 Apr 7 10:37 shannon.gif shannon (at wonderland) -rw-r--r-- 1 6 0 237367 Apr 7 10:36 taylor.gif taylor playing at passive dose -rw-r--r-- 1 6 0 411379 Apr 7 10:36 wonderland.gif from left to right: ciamac, becca, and shannon (at wonderland) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 10:48:39 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Info for Meth flyers.. If anyone is doing info flyers on methamphetamine, they might want to contact my friend Dr.Gantt Galloway at the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic. He's been using the amino acid tyrosine (about 6 grams/day mostly in the morning) to help people go off methamphetamine and has found it very helpful. We're currently trying to get NIH to fund a larger,double blind study.. (he's currently in the midst of a 'historically controlled' study,which has been very promising.)Tyrosine is an amino acid that serves as the direct nutritional precursor of norepinephrine and dopamine, the two neurotransmitters released by stimulants like amphetamines and cocaine. This research needs to be supported.Long term drug abuse ratts given tyrosine dramatically reduced their self-injection of amphetamine,and several anecdotal studies of tyrosine with methamphetamine and cocaine using humans have been promising too.If this is true,it could help treat stimulant abuse, at a much lower cost than current treatment options offer. (maybye thats why research has been so slow to be funded,recovery is big business..) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 15:59:54 EDT From: conway@cipr-server.MGH.Harvard.Edu (Kevin Conway) Subject: sub script shun To whom it may concern, Please hook me up to the ne-raves mailing list. Thanx in advance, peace, kac --- * --- "Be pure, be vigilant, behave ! " - Torquemada. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 13:30:34 -0700 From: kawakami@noc.usfca.edu (Sea of Sin) Subject: Re: ride!!!! I am at media-lab (Craig's work) I still need to figure out what is going on....Give me a call or email me! cindy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 13:34:47 -0700 From: kawakami@noc.usfca.edu (Sea of Sin) Subject: Re: Mix tapes.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 16:32:24 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Re: Summer HOM/FF List proposal Hi Derek, Some cons would be, as stated by a dj on sf-raves about a similar project, that the crooks on the list--if any--would know where all the gear is. Maybe a more feasible project would be, since there are 265+ on this list, would be a phone listing of all the rave hot-lines, promoters, cool stores in the ne region. Too, this file when generated could be tarred at media-lab.mit.edu. See you, Brendan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 10 Apr 1993 15:59:40 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu Subject: DJ INFINITI MIX TAPE DJ INFINITI along with DJ LANK present...."TECHNO RESISTANCE" - A 60 minute techno/rave/hardcore/breakbeat mix tape...continuously beat mixed. It will be recorded on a Maxell XL II 60 Type II (CrO2) cassette. To order, please send $10 ($8 + $2 shipping) (check or cash) to Julian Carow 1312 Oak Ave. Evanston, IL 60201-4205 Please make checks payable to Julian Carow **Make sure to include your address and e-mail address** Once I have received your order, I will ship you a tape immediately. Peace, Unity, and Respect. -DJ INFINITI **I assume everyone saw the previous post about what songs were on it, because I don't feel like typing it in again** [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: David Sklar Subject: Summer HOM/FF Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 14:15:42 PDT I dunno..I think it's a good idea. Since people might not be where they are and have the net.access they do during the academic year, it'll make finding otu what's going on and getting there and seeing friendly faces easier.. And why would this list make it easier for crooks for know what's going on than the weekly lists? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 18:21:01 EDT From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: ftp site Here is the scoop on the ftp site. The files have been restored from backup, so things are okay. However, it turns out that some pudwacker with no life was storing commercial programs on the ftp site. When the system managers here detected and deleted the files, the destruction of the ftp site was apparently retaliation. So the moral ius, if you're some loser with nothing better to do with your time than mess up our ftp site, pretty soon there will be no ftp site at all. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 19:18:41 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: sesame noodles the recipe is at the ftp site, in the incoming directory. (it *is* rave-related, really. pasta is a great pre-rave meal, for the complex carbohydrates...) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 22:19:12 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: HANK!!! A friend of mine said all my emails are angry and depressing. I disagreed with him, but just in case he's right I'll leave a positive quote. 'A people raising our consciousness toward something that is the other side of anger, something bright and smooth and cool, like action unlike anything yet comtemplated or carried out." Robin Morgan Jackie of JackieandJulie Safety and Love!!!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Apr 1993 00:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: TOWER OF DUB Subject: cross delays hey all you raving mad people! this message goes out to all those out there who play music... i am in dire need of a delay chart, for cross delays (to tempo). anybody out there able to help- i.e. tell me where i can get one? manish [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Golden Boy" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:27:46 CST Subject: call me slow so call me slow...but I just picked up "Berlin 1992 - Tressor Compilation" fuckin jammin !...one big mix...are there any more of these tressor compz that are worth buying ?... [Golden Boy submergez back into the shadowz of cyberspace to lurk....] |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| <> "Life acquires meaning only" "When we face the conflict" "Between our desires and reality" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:36:11 CST From: "Kevin Frey" Subject: se-raves mailing list Could anyone on this list tell me the address for the SE-raves mailing list. I know some freinds in the south-east part of our country, and I'd like to get on that list so I could possibly rave with them. Thanks in advance, nivek. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 10:46 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: STOP, in the name of love STOP, my friends, was a marvellous rave. The tickets directed us to a map point at a Mobil gas station in Brooklyn. From there we were not only given written directions, but the guy handing them out also explained to us exactly where we were going, just to be sure we wouldn't get lost. We found it with no problem, and there was plenty of parking, too. I sincerely doubt the space was legal, but we didn't particularly care, to tell you the truth. It was in a warehouse in the Marine Park section of Brooklyn, right on the edge of a very calm looking residential area. The warehouse was down a driveway behind a row of stores, so we couldn't hear the music from the street, let alone from where we were parked (in front of someone's house). When we entered the warehouse (no lines) it was very very dark. There was light from two small red lasers (the tiny cheesy ones from the Thunderground, John), two intellabeams, and a three diamond scans. This might sound like a lot, but the place was so huge it was like a puddle of light. Off to one side in the darkness there were small white candles that lit up the area where the bathroom (icky porta-pottie), water bar, synchro-energy machine, and "Under One Sky" table were. But none of this matters. What matters was the SOUND. In the puddle of light was a large stack of speakers, and the sound was so loud you could feel the breeze from the bass bins from 6 feet away. There were saw horses so we couldn't get any closer than 6 feet to the bins, and let me tell you, no one even tried. It was a HUGE sound, and very clear. Whoever set this up knew exactly what they were doing. We got there at 12.30 and DJ Heart (also known as Heather Heather) was spinning. She has come a long way since some of you heard her at Quest 2 last fall. She played some cheerful hard trance, and her mixing skills were just fine. After her came some guy named Keith who is obviously a beginner (he made the same kind of mistakes I do), and then Micro and then Adam X. All the music these people chose to play was wonderful, pumping and trobbing out of that wonderous speaker stack. It was all hardcore and hardtrance, but every so often a mo re restful track would come on, and then it would be back to more energizing exciting hardcore. It seems that the musicians out there writing hardcore are getting more creative -- it was not as nosebleedy as in the past, but still very big and strong and energetic. Frankie Bones, bless his mouth, kept it pretty much shut all night. He announced each DJ ("let's give it up for Micro," "let's make some noise for Adam X") without hype. At one point he interrupted Adam's set to admonish some people who were slam dancing and got so vigorous that somone had gotten hurt. But that was it. I guess when Yoram and Susie or whoever it was talked to him last week at Future it made him think a bit. His set was rather odd, he spun a combination of styles which could have been cool but the tracks were just plain odd. Jimmy Crash finished out the night. It was all over at about 20 to seven on Sunday morning. I was completely exhausted, so that was quite fine with me! I wish I could describe how GREAT this rave was, how intense, but I just can't. I wish people like Kreig, John, Golden Boy, and all the other hardcore lovers could have been there. Except for the slam dancers (which I didn't even SEE, they must have been off in one of the darker sections of the warehouse) it was a happy and exhillerating evening. People danced and smiled (although it took a little while at first for them to get going), and shared cigarettes, flashlights, candy, water, and glow sticks. If you think the hardcore scene is tense or evil or harsh, this would have changed your mind. It's a shame that it isn't like this in places like DC or California, where I am told that the people into hardcore cause lots of trouble. There was no trouble here. I can't WAIT for the next one of these. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.att.com Subject: Re: DJ INFINITI MIX TAPE Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 11:39:40 -0400 (EDT) > DJ INFINITI along with DJ LANK present...."TECHNO RESISTANCE" - A 60 minute > techno/rave/hardcore/breakbeat mix tape...continuously beat mixed. > To order, please send $10 ($8 + $2 shipping) (check or cash) This is dangerously close to commercial use of the net, since the $10 price makes it obvious that this is a for-profit effort. I don't know about the other lists you sent this advert to, but here on ne-raves this sort of thing is seriously frowned upon. It's one thing to give your mix tapes to promoters to get gigs or to friends as gifts, but save the profiteering for the capitalists, OK? -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 12:00:51 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: picnic the ne-raves picnic is gonna be on may 1st before ESSENCE (second coming... whatever you want to call it...) i went to central park this weekend... hopefully we can organize it. tho, it will not be easy. details to come. >>taylor.808 modulator! modulator! modulator! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 13:46 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: Rave Hotline Does anybody know the Phone # you call to get up to date rave whereabouts and other info...I saw it posted here a while ago but forgot to save it. ...PSychoTropical [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.att.com Subject: STOP report Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 14:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Historically, I have not been kind to the Brooklyn posse and the Storm raves. Even the September Storm rave, which still has a comfortable place on my top-ten list, smacked somewhat of hucksterism and self- aggrandizement. They really hit a low point when the flyer for one of their events basically took credit for inventing raving itself. (I'll save the historical discussion of warehouse parties and the acid house scene for another time.) After the January Storm rave, I swore off Joint Ventures for good. Since then, Frankie Bones's appearances at other events, sometimes just to blather into the mike, and not even spin, have reminded me why I did that. I now know I should be more forgiving. Things change, and so do people. This doesn't mean I've gotten religion and will now bow toward Brooklyn five times a day, but... With all the three-ring-circus sorts of events I've been going to lately, I was surprised and refreshed by the complete back-to-basics character of Stop. When they said it would be 100% hardcore, it was just a piece of information, not a "Wanna make sumthin of it?" dis- play of attitude. And sure, we got eight hours of basic Brooklyn hahdkoah, but we were reminded of its reason for existence. It doesn't please everyone, and it doesn't try to. What it tried to do, succeeding admirably, was to please the 400 or so people who thought they'd be pleased by an event such as the one the flyer described. Sure, I like indoor running water, flush toilets, etc. I'm still the rave-wimp I said I was in an earlier review. But for some reason, I found myself in the mood for a good old too-risky-for-frills warehouse rave like I once knew them. Maybe I've just been turned off by the too-risky-for-fun nature of recent events where everything from cigar- ettes to water was prohibited in the sprit of keeping everything nice and squeaky clean. Basics are what we got. No attempt was made to preach to the unwashed masses. We didn't need to be preached to. Somehow Frankie Bones knew this, and for once let the music speak for itself. At this event, they didn't do much but what they did, they did *right*. They said hardcore, we got hardcore. Lots of it, clean and loud. They said water bar, they never ran out of Evian. And we could drink it wherever we wanted to. They said map point, we got a map point. It was right where the directions on the ticket said it would be. They said warehouse, we got a warehouse. It was right where the directions from the map point said it would be. They didn't say smart bar, bust-free, chillout room, 10W laser, fire eaters or jugglers. We got none of those. Fair enough. They said rave, we got a rave. Summary: +2 on the -4 to +4 scale. They gained lots of points for doing what they said they'd do. They lost points for not having enough porta-potties, for having a leakey roof and not squeegeeing up the water off the floor, and for the price not being as back-to-basics as the rest of the event was. Its full name was "Stop the Bullshit", and that's what they did. As long as they never start the bullshit back up, I'll be back for more. -Ed SLiP "back into raving" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 14:30:53 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (on the floor of a Pan Am bar) Subject: Re: cross delays First I'll post this as a program, and then it's output... -----------------cut here and feed to your compiler----------------- /* MINUTES 60 SECONDS 1000 MILLISECONDS 60,000 MILLISECONDS ------- X ---------- X ----------------- = ------------------- BEAT 1 MINUTE 1 SECOND BEAT So, to obtain the time per beat, in milliseconds, divide 60,000 by the tempo, in beats per minute. A delay set to this time will result in an "echo" once per beat. For two echos per beat, halve the time, etc. Now that isn't so tough, even for a UCSU student, is it? ;-) The following program was posted to EMUSIC-L by Greg Youngdahl on July 9, 1991, and generates a table that gives milliseconds per beat for tempos from 10 to 299 beats per minute. */ #include char *h1 = " 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9\n", *h2 = " ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----\n"; main() { double ones, tens, value; printf( "%s%s", h1, h2 ); for( tens = 10.0; tens < 300.0; tens += 10.0 ) { printf( "%3.0lf ", tens ); for( ones = 0.0; ones < 10.0; ones++ ) { value = tens + ones; printf( " %4.0lf", 60000.0 / value ); } printf( "\n" ); } } -----------------------CUT HERE CUT HERE------------------------- This is what the program produces: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 10 6000 5455 5000 4615 4286 4000 3750 3529 3333 3158 20 3000 2857 2727 2609 2500 2400 2308 2222 2143 2069 30 2000 1935 1875 1818 1765 1714 1667 1622 1579 1538 40 1500 1463 1429 1395 1364 1333 1304 1277 1250 1224 50 1200 1176 1154 1132 1111 1091 1071 1053 1034 1017 60 1000 984 968 952 938 923 909 896 882 870 70 857 845 833 822 811 800 789 779 769 759 80 750 741 732 723 714 706 698 690 682 674 90 667 659 652 645 638 632 625 619 612 606 100 600 594 588 583 577 571 566 561 556 550 110 545 541 536 531 526 522 517 513 508 504 120 500 496 492 488 484 480 476 472 469 465 130 462 458 455 451 448 444 441 438 435 432 140 429 426 423 420 417 414 411 408 405 403 150 400 397 395 392 390 387 385 382 380 377 160 375 373 370 368 366 364 361 359 357 355 170 353 351 349 347 345 343 341 339 337 335 180 333 331 330 328 326 324 323 321 319 317 190 316 314 313 311 309 308 306 305 303 302 200 300 299 297 296 294 293 291 290 288 287 210 286 284 283 282 280 279 278 276 275 274 220 273 271 270 269 268 267 265 264 263 262 230 261 260 259 258 256 255 254 253 252 251 240 250 249 248 247 246 245 244 243 242 241 250 240 239 238 237 236 235 234 233 233 232 260 231 230 229 228 227 226 226 225 224 223 270 222 221 221 220 219 218 217 217 216 215 280 214 214 213 212 211 211 210 209 208 208 290 207 206 205 205 204 203 203 202 201 201 -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 14:46:18 -0400 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Rave Hotline On Mon, 12-Apr-1993, MILONET@bcvax1.bc.edu (PsychoTropical) said: > Does anybody know the Phone # you call to get up to date rave whereabouts > and other info...I saw it posted here a while ago but forgot to save it. TRY: 212.925.4117 This is Underground Interactive. --> Voicemail BBS tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12-APR-1993 15:18:55.42 From: Poseur Subject: article from sfraves Received: from medisg.Stanford.EDU by EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU (PMDF #12650) id <01GWXCJLE3I88Y65TU@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU>; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 13:52 EDT Received: by medisg.Stanford.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA22463; Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:49:29 PDT Received: from netcom.netcom.com by medisg.Stanford.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA22459; Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:49:27 PDT Received: by netcom.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA15516; Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:49:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:49:36 -0700 From: trocha@netcom.com (Dan Trocha) Subject: Bummer in Watsonville To: sfraves@medisg.Stanford.EDU Message-id: <9304121649.AA15516@netcom.netcom.com> Here's a article from Sunday, Apr.11,1993, San Jose Mecury News, page B1: DODGING BULLETS AT PARTY 3 suspects arrested after fatal shooting By Mary Anne Ostrom, Mecrury News Staff Writer A private dance party in a warehouse near Watsonville, CA. turned deadly early Saturday when three men who had been turned away earlier shot indiscrim- inately through a metal door into a crowd of more than 100 partygoers. At least four people were hit, including an 18-year-old Santa Rosa man who died of a gunshot to the head, according to the Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Office. "Three young males were denied access to the party and threatened to come back with a gun," said Lt. Ken Oakes of the sheriff's office. He said they returned around 2:30 a.m. and with a small caliber rifle shot through the warehouse's roll-up metal door. Three suspects, at least two of whom are from the Watsonville area, were arrested and taken into custody by Saturday evening. Young people, mostly from Santa Cruz and the Bay Area had gathered at the warehouse for a rave, a private dance party with a disc jockey playing "techno" music that was to go from midnight until dawn. An estimated 150 people had paid $10 each to attend, one of the partygoers said. GUEST AT RAVE PARTY FATALLY SHOT As the disc jockey was mixing three records, "all of a sudden large thuds echoed off the back of the warehouse. It sounded like six or seven shots in succession. The whole room vibrated," said 22-year-old Michael Rohner, a student at the University of California, San Diego who had lived in Saratoga. "Everyone went to the back and got low to the ground." Several of his friends were hit or grazed by bullets in the legs, ankle and thigh. "People were scared and frightened and comoforting each other," Rohner said. Damien Gabriel Caesar of Santa Rosa was shot in the head and rushed to Dominican Hospital in Santa Cruz, where he died Saturday afternoon after undergoing surgery. Oakes said three others who required treatment for gunshot wounds had been released. Oakes and Rohner said the incident began when a large group of men tried to get into the party at 2560 Freedom Blvd. A fight ensued between the men and the party's makeshift security guards. Rohner said about 30 minutes later several men returned and began throwing bottles at the door, then left again. Thirty minutes later, Rohner, who said he had been dancing near the door, heard the gunshots. After questioning about 30 witnesses, sheriff's deputies arrested Jose Luis Flores Mendoza, 18, of Las Lomas, while he was driving the suspected getaway vehicle in downtown Watsonville. Raul Edgar Valencia, 21, was later arrested at his Marine Street home in Watsonville and a third, unidentified suspect was also tken into custody. All three were being questioned Saturday evening, and no charges had yet been filed. __ _ _ _ _ (_ (_) (_) (_) (/ ( (_ __) ( ( ) ( \ (\ (_ (_ hartcoreadrenalinrushvibethrowlustunionpushtwirlcreateventureforth. . [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 15:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: Rave Hotline Theres also the 1-800 number.. 1-800-4RAVELINE (i think) --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 16:02:14 -500 (EDT) From: off the mount Subject: is this right? sub discuss [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 16:10:25 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Re-Articl from sfraves No words. Nevermind. Love and Safety jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 16:55:46 -0500 (EST) From: ALTERED STATES Subject: Meat Beat/808 Boom Rave I dont remember if this made it to the rave-o-matic or not [i just found out myself]. Did everyone realize that the MBM/808 concert in NYC, at the Roseland is a rave? Besides MBM and 808 there's 13 djs spinning too : Moby,DB,Keoki,Wink,Destructo,Micro,On-E,Tony Fletcher, Mr.Kleen,Sean CIC, and after hours: dimitry, Soul Slinger, and Joeski. I bought my tickets long ago just to see Meat Beat [for the fourth time!!] and 808 State. Moby ,Dimitry,and Mr.Kleen and the fact that the show is from 11pm-6am has made my day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, if everybody already knew about this i'm sorry for wasting everybodys time...i'll be there and if anyone would like to come to NYC for this event i'll put them up for the night/weekend [I guess i should have sent this message to the r-o-m]. If you'll be there e-mail me at twe5495@acfcluster.nyu.edu and we can meet up b4 and after the show. Oh yeah-expect to hear a FROSTED RAVE update and finalized dj list soon!n 2 Tarek 8) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Apr 1993 17:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Andrew Lash" Subject: 808+meat beat Whats the date and the price? cuz im feelin really poor...but want ta go. And if Ican go..anyone have a place to crash in the city? -thanks.... John Andrew Lash H H State University of New York bitnet: H H at Albany JL3683@albnyvms.bitnet H H __ internet: H~~~H/ / "When your bank says 'no' JL3683@gemini.albany.edu H:::H / Champion says 'yes'." /:::::\ --------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 19:19:08 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: [TeeP : House FM] Sigh! Glad I was away.... Jeremy aran/TeeP is not on neraves, so if you've direct queries send to his address (below) directly. ------- Forwarded Message Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 16:36:37 EDT From: TeeP Subject: House FM To: Jeremy hey j. . .feel free to pop this into neraves ............................................................................... dear FM attendees, my sincerest apologies for those who's nights we messed up by closing down HOUSE FM early. . . here are the reasons behind our decision. . 1. we intended the event to be free and we believed it was until I took an innocent ride up the elevator with some new arrivals (Benny and crew) and the owner of the space said "there's a four dollar cover to get in" my jaw hit the floor and i stood in stupid silence as i watched friends shell out money to attend a TerraPosse event. This was hurt one. 2. The Levels. From the minute we opened the doors the sound levels decreased steadily to the point where SwiZ complained he couldn't hear himself mixing At times the conversation was louder than the music. This was due to the overzealous patrol of the owner of the space (lets call him OS for short cause this is gonna go on and on). I learned for the first time that the "OS" had his three previous parties shut down early. And I also learned that night that the "OS" had neglected to inform or invite any of the other occupants of his building. The battle for good levels was finally lost when the "OS" unplugged all but one speaker. Negotiations with the "OS" to replug and top off levels proved futile. 3. This is the Corker. During ArchiE's set (he started with 40 minutes of super smooth tribal/acid/house) he made a move toward his true love of hardcore for the final 20 minutes of his set with the brilliant song the jackhammer. After about 3 tracks the "OS" went to the booth and told ArchiE to quit playing his hardcore and play something else. While ArchiE bent and started spinning house i broke in two. How could this be? In out earliest discussions with the "OS" we were more than clear on the point that all styles would be present. With the words of Mr Freeze screaming FOUL in my head I reached my threshold of tolerance. We have learned a great deal from the events that became the HOUSE FM that i will remember. (That's FM for Fucking Mess) After all . . . . . . "Life is solving problems joyfully." my mom We never seek to achieve anything at our events other than an abundance of smiles, the spiritual lift of our dance, and the chance to make new friends. We'll be back soon. . .I hope see you then. . . TeePee ............................................................................... ------- End of Forwarded Message [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: John Shiple Subject: Re: Irresistible Force AND APHEX... Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 19:22:04 EDT > > > I was in HMV in Harvard Square this weekend and the guy who stocks > the Techno-Tribal-Trance section was highly reccomending > The Irresistible Force. It was $25.00 and I was really only interested > in spending $15.00, so I got the PWOG - Obsidian single which is . . . > > HMV will be getting in FSOL cd and Analog Bubblebath (in the bubble > wrap!) this week too! > > > also--today i finally got a copy of Aphex Twin--Selected Ambient Works, Polygon Window(Surfing on Sine Waves), and Polygon Window (Quoth)... I'm so happy...and they have some more copies left if anybody wants to get them...I've been looking for them forever.......... (it may be a little overpriced--but the %10 student discount takes away a little of that bite) -John Knee-Raver [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 19:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: 808/meatbeat here is a little review of the show that i saw last night. SEE THIS AT ALL COSTS. I got to the club here in pittsburgh at 9, when the show was slated to start, and as I waited in line, I could hear Supreme Love Gods going through their set. BOOR-IING. It's like they jumped on the indie-dance bandwagon WAY too late. I was not impressed. During their set, Jack Dangers walked past me and my friend and we were like, "was that...?" and then followed him to the t-shirt booth where he signed a tee for my friend and a poster for me. DJ Doug (Metropol house DJ) actually spun some good tribal between sets. NEravers in the house were Kenny Eng, Matt Drown, dB, Raver 909, Shawn Goller(am I forgetting anyone?). Also in effect were Kelly and Bishop, dr. Seuss and most of the Pgh. crew. Meat Beat's set was very impressive, as this is the first time I had ever seen them. I like _Satyricon_ and they did a couple of tracks off of it. Mindstream was particularly good. Other highlights include Godstar Man and Psyche-Out. Jack did sing on the songs that are sung on the record and sounded okay. The visuals were good, too. A slide projector and a film projector. the slides had strange pictures and dictionary definitions on them like "halcyon" or "soul". the film was fantastic, with old commercials including the "That Shirt" commercial and the Chanel one that's on the record!! They were hysterical. I enjoyed the show, but not being familiar with all their material, and being very impatient to see 808. we moved up to the front of the stage and got ourselves plenty of dancing room. they came out and the first song was Pacific State. It was beautiful. There was a blue/green laser that projected multiple images behind and above the band including their new logo and "Pittsburgh". I went nuts!! the lights were incredible. They ran through new stuff: Reaper Repo, Control(?), One in Ten, 10 x 10. Darren (or Andrew?) would announce each song like a true MC: "YESSSSSSS INDEEEEDEEEEEEEE!!" At one point dB told me to yell a trademark of sorts, "AWWWWW YEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH" which got said DJ to repeat me...The beats went on, with Leo Leo and In Your Face. The lasers were beautiful. The set ended with a surprise Cubik and we went NUTS. At the end of the show, I slapped Graham Massey's hand. KILLER SHOW. Shortly Afterwards, i met Massey himself and chatted a bit. He was kinda dissapointed with the crowd as a whole, although the front were enthused. I got his autograph and he perused my laminates, saying that he liked the ones I had for XL recordings and Primal Scream. Totally satisfied, we went home, skipping the after-rave. SLG: 2/10 MBM: 7/10 808: 10/10 mikebee ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - "We're not post-House. We're post-everything. Actually, everyone else is just pre-St. Etienne." ---Bob Stanley, St.Etienne "Aw, Mike, all you think about is two things: sex and me." ---dieselBoy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Mike Battaglia...........mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu...... raving into the 21st century >>>lamb chop<<< [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (...) Subject: Re: STOP report Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 20:06:25 -0400 (EDT) > > Historically, I have not been kind to the Brooklyn posse and the Storm > raves. Even the September Storm rave, which still has a comfortable > place on my top-ten list, smacked somewhat of hucksterism and self- > aggrandizement. They really hit a low point when the flyer for one of > their events basically took credit for inventing raving itself. (I'll > save the historical discussion of warehouse parties and the acid house > scene for another time.) After the January Storm rave, I swore off > Joint Ventures for good. Since then, Frankie Bones's appearances at > other events, sometimes just to blather into the mike, and not even > spin, have reminded me why I did that. > > I now know I should be more forgiving. Things change, and so do > people. This doesn't mean I've gotten religion and will now bow > toward Brooklyn five times a day, but... > > With all the three-ring-circus sorts of events I've been going to > lately, I was surprised and refreshed by the complete back-to-basics > character of Stop. When they said it would be 100% hardcore, it was > just a piece of information, not a "Wanna make sumthin of it?" dis- > play of attitude. And sure, we got eight hours of basic Brooklyn > hahdkoah, but we were reminded of its reason for existence. It > doesn't please everyone, and it doesn't try to. What it tried to do, > succeeding admirably, was to please the 400 or so people who thought > they'd be pleased by an event such as the one the flyer described. > > Sure, I like indoor running water, flush toilets, etc. I'm still the > rave-wimp I said I was in an earlier review. But for some reason, I > found myself in the mood for a good old too-risky-for-frills warehouse > rave like I once knew them. Maybe I've just been turned off by the > too-risky-for-fun nature of recent events where everything from cigar- > ettes to water was prohibited in the sprit of keeping everything nice > and squeaky clean. > > Basics are what we got. No attempt was made to preach to the unwashed > masses. We didn't need to be preached to. Somehow Frankie Bones knew > this, and for once let the music speak for itself. At this event, > they didn't do much but what they did, they did *right*. It was me and SIN! We closed the great gap of Bones mouth! Actually, I don't know if we did all that, but after Future I did mention to him in a "constructive critisism" kind of way that he talked too damn much. (i put it a bit more tactfully) > > They said hardcore, we got hardcore. Lots of it, clean and loud. > > They said water bar, they never ran out of Evian. And we could drink > it wherever we wanted to. > > They said map point, we got a map point. It was right where the > directions on the ticket said it would be. > > They said warehouse, we got a warehouse. It was right where the > directions from the map point said it would be. > > They didn't say smart bar, bust-free, chillout room, 10W laser, fire > eaters or jugglers. We got none of those. Fair enough. > > They said rave, we got a rave. > > Summary: +2 on the -4 to +4 scale. They gained lots of points for > doing what they said they'd do. They lost points for not having > enough porta-potties, for having a leakey roof and not squeegeeing up > the water off the floor, and for the price not being as back-to-basics > as the rest of the event was. Its full name was "Stop the Bullshit", > and that's what they did. As long as they never start the bullshit > back up, I'll be back for more. > > -Ed SLiP > "back into raving" > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 22:25:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacobredfield Subject: MeW-Ta-SHUn On april 9th recycled productions threw MUTATION. This event took place on the campus of Carnegie Mellon Univeristy. Dj's in da house were the techno terrorists, simon, diesel boy, doctor seuss, and special k. In addition live act - one eighty seven threw some props. As mentioned before, the pitt scene is slowly but surely picking up. If this steady incline continues for the next two years, I think were gonna be pulling in crowds like d.c./ baltimore events. Seriously - pittsburgh is warehouse heaven. Were temporaily in a state of low economic prosperity, so i think owners will be more than willing to rent out spaces. It's mad! You wouldn't believe all the places where one could throw events. Back to the original subject mutation offered a sign of growth. E X P A N S I O N. For the first time pittsburgh saw a computer generated color pass, it won't be the last one ethier. The talk was crazy. Color passes in pitt - we were proud. The event was located inside a newly built cafeteria, which seemed like a really good place. Basicly there were two rooms and two levels. The main room was circular with an open overhead where people could look down on the dancing crowd below. There were at least ten speakers pumping a descent sound, though it could have been a little louder. For the first time i believe we had a laser which was a very nice touch. 3 watts, but it had a good effect. General stage lights were aimed towards the dance floor. Keeping in mind that this event was only phive dollars. Recycled productions really stretched the $. They even had phree candy. there have been other parties which have charged nearly twice as much, or the same - and this event offered more for your college (or highschool) dollarz! They even had the stamp process, where you have to put your hand under a black light in order for the stamp to show! Perhaps i'm being over extensive w/ details but pittsburgh has never had these things before. They were appreciated! My firends and i arrived around 10:30. Hearing the breaks it was safe to assume that diesel boy was spinning. He played a long ass set. Just when i thought it was the last song. BA BOOOM - another track pounded to my brain. One of the reasons why i looked foward to this event, was that the majority of d.j.'s were c.m.u station jocks. i knew their sound, but i wanted to see their face. Being that the 1200's were upstairs, you really couldn't see who was spinning it was almost like rave jeopardy. Overall I saw some new faces, but there seemed like alot of new people who were there for this event. That they were out to dance tonight, but if another event was going around next week, would everyone go again? Regardless ENERGY was present - socializing was present - smiles were present - sweat was present - good vibes were present. i think three hundred attended. We have all learned that over our net we can't agree on which style of music is the best. That theme was predominant at mutation, but a little bit of everything was heard. Some tracks old - ome tacks new. Hearing OUTLANDER Vamp really bugged me out. I haven't heard that in ages. it was nice. Then it happened pitt's local act 1 8 7 played and phuqed shit up! People are like , yeah adam x throws out crazy acid lines. 1 8 7's roland tr 303 ripped the system. A while ago i picked up xcrash 303+606=909. 187 lines were too much - he should have produced that single. i havent heard x vs. audoisex, but i'm sure it does not match what i heard that night. A fire alarm tripped twice which interrupted the act, but resumed later. When the second alarm occured , alot of people left for good. The hardcore braved it out for the rest of the night. nothing was in our way. I left around 4:30 because my friends were tired, and i had to sign them into my dorm :( . First event i left early. I heard that around 30 people went to mike b's afterhour party watching cool orb's new video release. i missed that also :( My only complaint is that this event had the perfect oppurtunity for a chill out room. They had the space - they had the dj's - they had the bass! And once again the other room was wired up to the main system, just like the house party we had a month ago Once again the battle of pitt's first REAL chill out room is up in the air for grabs. Any offers? One thing which i was extremly pleased to witness was that other promoters showed up. Not only did they talk to recycled productions but they danced to the music and had a good time. incredible!! People say that a city will always be divided when it comes to different pomoters and organizers. I say phuq dat! I think pitt can start a trend in having a unified scene. We got the vibe - we got the records - we have the people? WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED???????? If people could put aside old school beliefs and events we could show them we could this! I always knew this! btw akira and other japanmation was in effect - very pleasing. jAke "I GET HYPE WHEN I HEAR A DRUM ROLL" P.S. HIGH VOLTAGE HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR MAY FIRST WITH ADDITIONAL DJS ALSO THERE IS A STRONG POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A CHILLOUT ROOM WITH DJS - MORE WILL BE POSTED IN THE FUTURE. P.P.S. I THINK PITTS NEXT EVENT IZ GONNA TEAR DOWN DA HOUSE. THEY KEEP GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. LETS SEE THE N E BRIGADE PRESENT! WHERE WERE YOU GUYZ FOR MEWTASHUN??????????????????? PEACE. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pdote@leland.Stanford.EDU Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 19:39:42 PDT please unsubscribe me..... thank you all for the great fun... keep the spirit, much peace... i have some shit to deal with... and i hope to be back soon {B)= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Apr 1993 22:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: TOWER OF DUB Subject: in order to dance just bought this r&s compilation, in order to dance 4. it cost a 30 big bucks, but for two intense cd's (each over 70 minutes long) it is worth it. everyone out there should definitely give it a listen. manish [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Rave Hotline Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 22:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Alan Michael Parry: > > Theres also the 1-800 number.. And in Montreal, Raving Up North (IdMEDIA interactive system): 1-514-671-4933 It's on my system, and gives info on the Montreal rave scene. In french and english. You need a touchtone phone. There is another line that gives info in Montreal, but i wont give it, cuz they are there to make major dough and dont give a shit about anybody. If you want the Montreal rave info (only if you plan to come up here at some point) you can join the Raving Up North digest which is by email (so you'll save on long distance calls). Just ask me to be put on R.U.N. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Speaking of mutation: videos Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Asif of the Recycled crew asked me for video suggestions which i think people could use. (He asked last week, and i answered then, but didn't cc to ne-raves in case he would pick some of them, and people wouldn't be surprised. Now i am sending it to ne-raves since the event has happened) ** First, i'd suggest to get 2 videos and a video mixer cause it will help in two ways: -to mix the 2 video signals (and maybe a computer like and amiga or an IBM with a VGA to NTSC converter or a Video blaster) since it's boring to watch the same video for 2 hours... -to enhance the colors and make fades. Color enhancement is important with a projection TV. Secondly, you should have checked out earlier cause some videos are not available in video stores. One serie that's interesting, but not in video stores is from Pixar. Here's a quote from the comp.graphics FAQ: "10) How to get Pixar films. [Lots of info deleted - check the FAQ for further info] Pixar 1001 West Cutting Blvd. Richmond, CA. 94804 (510) 236-4000 (510) 236-0388 (FAX) You can obtain a video directly from Pixar which contains "Luxo, Jr.", "Red's Dream", "Tin Toy" and "Knicknack" for $25.00, plus $2.50 for shipping. They will take your order over the phone or via FAX with a major credit card. I ordered mine just last week and received it several days later. Don't expect to be able to rent a copy from your local video store. According to the license agreement printed on the back cover of the case, it cannot be rented." The same thing is true for some others. Also, some people on the net like me (Francois Dion) or Pete Ashdown do their own videos, and of course they are not available in video stores 8). But, depending on the size of your store, here's what you can find: Films: ------ Lawnmower man Metropolis (the newer version is still monochromatic but not only black and white. Some scenes are violet, pink etc...) Robot Jox - Cannon Star wars - Lucas Film (some limited scenes) TRON - Walt Disney Oh, yes 2001 and 2010 have some surreal scenes that could be used too. These are the first i can think of at the top of my head, but check: sci-fi section anime section horror section You can find some strange stuff in there. Use in moderation when mixing. Music videos: ------------- The Orb D:Ream also a british group (forgot the name) did a film on the rave scene some stuff on MTV, or better from Musique Plus if you can get it. Also, in computer animations (music stores have them usually): 3Lux-2 - Stud!o K7 (Germany) Cyberdelia* - Prism Leisure (UK) Fractales: dans une autre dimension - ? (France) The fractal experience - Prism Leisure (UK) Tony de Peltrie - ? (Canada) VR dance in cyberspace - Prism Leisure (UK) * a compilation of: Virtual Drug Vol.1 and Vol.2 - ? (Japan) Check also Radio Shack who have 2 or 3 videos of computer animations. Last, check PBS (or other similar channel) where i have seen some programs with stuff on VR, computer animations etc... BTW, if you have a camcorder and an IBM with VGA, but no converter, you can still make a video of your fractals (generated with fractint for example and use the color cycling) like this: you use the camcorder to shoot the monitor directly. Use a stand for the camera and of course: Plug in the camcorder. It will only work if you can plug the camcorder so that it can sync itself to the 60 Hz from the power line. On the computer side, use either 320x200x256 or 640x400x256 or 640x480x256. Do not use 640x400x16 or other modes that use a different refresh rate than 60 Hz. I just realised something: if your camcorder can only be connected with a DC power source, it will not work. You will see the scan line going up or down continuously. If you do not have a camcorder and willing to rent one, then rent a separate video and camera so that the camera is powered by the video which is powered by the dock (which is powered by the 110v). These are either old or professionnal, so they are hard to find. A better solution is to use a regular video and a ntsc converter, a video blaster or an amiga. And if you are a hacker, connect the sync from the vga connector to the sync on the camera (if it has one). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:21:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Simon Peter Gatrall Subject: Re: Mutation I was happy to see all the people at Mutation. We had over 400. Not quite as many as our last rave, Evolution, which was over 500, but it was still a good turn out. We tried to do things as professionally as we could without being uptight about it. I'm glad people appreciated the little things like the UV hand stamps, because stupid stuff like that takes time and money. I'm still trying to get a feel for what people thought about the whole thing. I was too busy worrying about stuff and DJing to enjoy myself. I was there from 6pm to 7am the next day and I only got to dance for about 45mins. I was really enjoying myself during Special K's set because he was playing a lot of trance, tribal, and acid. I agree that it would have been nice to have more visable DJs, but then we have to worry about people bumping into the tables or tripping over cables. It's definitely something I want to think about for our next rave, though. I'm gald at least one person liked hearing "Vamp." I still love that song and I have a hard time not playing it. As far as warehouse spaces, it's not as easy as you think. Everyone I know who's asked, has been turned down. It's too much of a liabilty issue for a real estate agent to rent out a place for one night. It's not worth it for the amount that a promoter could afford to pay, for them to take the chance that they might get sued if someone was hurt. We'll be looking into the idea, but don't hold your breath. I have a feeling that the only way warehouse stuff will happen in Pittsburgh is illegally. If we can get more people in the future, we could afford better locations, better sound, better lights. So if you enjoyed yourselves, get the word out about Recycled productions. Thanks. -s!mon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Mutation Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 23:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Simon Peter Gatrall: > > As far as warehouse spaces, it's not as easy as you think. Everyone I > know who's asked, has been turned down. It's too much of a liabilty > issue for a real estate agent to rent out a place for one night. It's > not worth it for the amount that a promoter could afford to pay, for > them to take the chance that they might get sued if someone was hurt. > We'll be looking into the idea, but don't hold your breath. I have a > feeling that the only way warehouse stuff will happen in Pittsburgh is > illegally. That's what i was going to say. It is EXTREMELY hard to find a legit space. A little example from Montreal: One very popular site for warehouse parties (but a bit cold if you dont have incredible visuals) in old Montreal now charges $1200 for a night + you need a permit from the city + insurance ($300 to 700$ depending on the site) + of course a permit for alcool (if you have that - i think it's a bad idea for a rave). > If we can get more people in the future, we could afford better > locations, better sound, better lights. So if you enjoyed yourselves, > get the word out about Recycled productions. That can be said of the scene in every cities... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 00:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacobredfield Subject: HEY JACK REANIMATE! Calling all serious Meat Beat Manifesto Fans!!!!!! I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THIS YET I CAN'T RESIST!!!! sssshhhhhhhhh its a secret! I GOT MY HANDS ON A PERFECT COPY OF MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO'S RECENT TOUR ON AUDIO TAPE. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS AN EXTREMELY HIGH TREBLE FEEDBACK, BUT IF YOU HAVE A DECENT STERO SET UP ADJUSTING THE EQ'S WILL EASILY SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. SEND A TAPE WITH $2.OO WHICH WILL COVER POSTAGE AND HANDLING. YOU WONT REGRET THIS!!!! I CAN ONLY ACCEPT ORDERS UNTIL APRIL 28 - THEN I'M OUT FOR SUMMA BREAK SEND TO JACOB REDFIELD UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH SUTHERLAND HALL RM 606 WEST 37 - 25 SUTHERLAND DRIVE PITTSBURGH, P.A. 15213 1-412-383-9371 if you have any ???? P.S. I SPOKE TO JACK AND JOHNNY AND THEY SAID THEY WILL NOT BE RELEASING A LIVE C.D. OR VIDEO SO JUMP ON IT! "I GET HYPE WHEN I HEAR A DRUMROLL" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: august@Athena.MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 00:20:33 -0400 Subject: Grin Info Request Hi, does anyone know for sure where Grin is gonna be? Care to share the directions with a clueless person? How far away is it from Boston anyway if you drive at about 60-70mph highway speeds? Thanks muchly, Sue [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 01:14:12 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: Re: Grin Info Request If you drive well and fast, you can make it to the Grin location in just about 2.5 hours. (Assuming it's in the boat drydock place that they've been using) /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@cs.umb.edu \/ Suck on this, planet of noise bimbo! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:41:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Michael Goller Subject: Re: MeW-Ta-SHUn Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 12-Apr-93 MeW-Ta-SHUn by Jacobredfield@pitt.edu > On april 9th recycled productions threw MUTATION. This event took > place on the campus of Carnegie Mellon Univeristy. Dj's in da house > were the techno terrorists, simon, diesel boy, doctor seuss, and special > k. In addition live act - one eighty seven threw some props. > As mentioned before, the pitt scene is slowly but surely picking > up. If this steady incline continues for the next two years, I think > were gonna be pulling in crowds like d.c./ baltimore events. I hope so. Throwing this stuff is FUN! > Back to the original subject mutation offered a sign of growth. > E X P A N S I O N. For the first time pittsburgh saw a computer > generated color pass, it won't be the last one ethier. The talk was > crazy. Color passes in pitt - we were proud. Glad you liked 'em. The people that put it together will be more than happy to hear that. (I liked 'em too...got a couple posters on cardstock for my room) > The event was located inside a newly built cafeteria, which seemed > like a really good place. Basicly there were two rooms and two levels. > The main room was circular with an open overhead where people could look > down on the dancing crowd below. There were at least ten speakers > pumping a descent sound, though it could have been a little louder. For > the first time i believe we had a laser which was a very nice touch. 3 > watts, but it had a good effect. General stage lights were aimed towards > the dance floor. Keeping in mind that this event was only phive > dollars. Recycled productions really stretched the $. They even had > phree candy. there have been other parties which have charged nearly > twice as much, or the same - and this event offered more for your > college (or highschool) dollarz! They even had the stamp process, where > you have to put your hand under a black light in order for the stamp to > show! Perhaps i'm being over extensive w/ details but pittsburgh has > never had these things before. They were appreciated! That's what we're aiming for: more fun for not a lot of cash. > My firends and i arrived around 10:30. Hearing the breaks it was > safe to assume that diesel boy was spinning. He played a long ass set. > Just when i thought it was the last song. BA BOOOM - another track > pounded to my brain. I think you're right...not sure offhand. We were experimenting with a "setless" format, where any DJ could jump on at any time. (assuming the DJ currently online would let him. :) I think it went really well, because someone would be spinning, then get sick of it after awhile, and someone else would come in with an idea of what to mix to and go with it. > One of the reasons why i looked foward to this event, was that the > majority of d.j.'s were c.m.u station jocks. i knew their sound, but i > wanted to see their face. Being that the 1200's were upstairs, you > really couldn't see who was spinning it was almost like rave jeopardy. :) > - sweat was present - good vibes were present. i think three hundred > attended. The count was between 4 and 5, I think. > We have all learned that over our net we can't agree on which style > of music is the best. That theme was predominant at mutation, but a > little bit of everything was heard. Some tracks old - ome tacks new. > Hearing OUTLANDER Vamp really bugged me out. I haven't heard that in > ages. it was nice. Setless can do that for you. What I spin, what Simon spins, and Dr. Seuss spin are totally different things, but if we jump around, you can get a flow that's totally different than if we go in a specific order. I don't mind either way, but I guess I'm biased toward setless... :) > Then it happened pitt's local act 1 8 7 played and phuqed shit > up! People are like , yeah adam x throws out crazy acid lines. 1 8 7's > roland tr 303 ripped the system. Most excellent stuff. > A fire alarm tripped twice which interrupted the act, but resumed later. > When the second alarm occured , alot of people left for good. The hardcore > braved it out for the rest of the night. nothing was in our way. I > left around 4:30 because my friends were tired, and i had to sign them > into my dorm :( . Yah, the alarms sucked. First one was because of the fog machine, and the second because someone don't like techno. Real mature way to show displeasure, don't you think? > My only complaint is that this event had the perfect > oppurtunity for a chill out room. They had the space - they had the dj's > - they had the bass! And once again the other room was wired up to the > main system, just like the house party we had a month ago Once again > the battle of pitt's first REAL chill out room is up in the air for > grabs. Any offers? It would have been cool if we set up a chill room, but there wasn't enough insulation between the two rooms. (the main room would have been too prevalent) Also, we only had three turntables. :) > One thing which i was extremly pleased to witness was that other > promoters showed up. Not only did they talk to recycled productions but > they danced to the music and had a good time. incredible!! People say > that a city will always be divided when it comes to different pomoters > and organizers. I say phuq dat! I think pitt can start a trend in > having a unified scene. We got the vibe - we got the records - we have > the people? Yah, it was cool they showed. Joel was really good about passing out flyers...during cleanup we found like maybe 5 or 10 high voltage flyers. Roman, on the other hand, dumped flyers on the crowd from the second floor. We had to clean up TONS of those bloody zoom flyers. (total waste, not only for us, but for Roman....) Sean 50% of the Techno Terrorists Fridays 8pm-12am on WRCT 88.3FM Pittsburgh. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Speaking of mutation: videos Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 09:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Personally, I'm tired of seeing computer animation at raves. At the last one I threw, the video guy and I both agreed that computer animation would be minimal. Plus, the computer animations we did use were either severely distorted, or off of rare SIGGRAPH technical tapes. The best stuff he did was from science films. He had a ton of Nova's on video tape, so he went through and dubbed out all the cool stuff. Time lapse photography, microscopic closeups, electron-scanning microscope animations. On top of that, he used footage of clouds, canyons, and old 50's stock footage. Once it was all mixed together with a toaster, it looked _really_ good. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: HEY JACK REANIMATE! Naughty, Naughty Jake, Offering that BOOTLEG! What would Jack Dangers have to say???? hehehe Joe (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Speaking of mutation: videos Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 12:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Pete Ashdown: > > Personally, I'm tired of seeing computer animation at raves. At the last one > I threw, the video guy and I both agreed that computer animation would be > minimal. As i said, use tastefully. Of course you don't just let a 2 hour tape play. If something is to be accomplished, you need a VJ (as you need somebody for the lighting system) cause you cant mix sound and video simultaneously. An analogy with music would be to play a 2 hour set of "Speedy J - something for your mind" with all the remixes. Of course they are a little different, but it's basically the same thing. > Plus, the computer animations we did use were either severely > distorted, or off of rare SIGGRAPH technical tapes. The best stuff he did was > from science films. He had a ton of Nova's on video tape, so he went through > and dubbed out all the cool stuff. Time lapse photography, microscopic > closeups, electron-scanning microscope animations. On top of that, he used > footage of clouds, canyons, and old 50's stock footage. Once it was all mixed > together with a toaster, it looked _really_ good. Excellent suggestion. One thing i have done is to take a shot of the desert (accelerated) with clouds and shadows (from a publicity), digitise 13.7 seconds ( 32 beats at 140 bpm) and put some bouncing bubbles (computer generated). Now i record about 10 minutes of that loop, but only to be used as a snippet in a video mix (live). If you prerecord the whole thing, you will not keep the sync... I use the video recorder the same way i would use an audio sampler. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kawakami@noc.usfca.edu (Sea of Sin) Subject: ambient house article Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 03:15:12 -0700 (PDT) The New York Times, Sunday April 1993 Chilling Out With the Stocking-Cap Crowd Ann Powers In pop music, the route to spiritual epiphany is usually accidental. It might occur during the second encore at a Springsteen concert or nearing 4 A.M. on a downtown dance floor; at these moments, transcendence comes with an air of spontaneity, no matter how carefully orchestrated the circumstances. To actively seek some sort of nirvana (remember when it was used to be a state of consciousness, not a band?) seems silly to the ranks of skeptics and hedonists that make up pop's hippiest ranks. Enlightenment is iffy business, at the least it was until raves brought young scene makers into a brand-new age. Tipping its stocking cap to psychedelia, the English-borne dance movement known as rave encourages a belief in the possibilities of mind expansion through electronic beats and synthesized hallucinogens. On the dance floor the quest resembles the dervish's twirl into frenzy. But even the most energetic ravers sometimes need a break and seek a space where their mental journeys can flow a less physically demanding path. This need has resulted in the establishment of chill-out rooms in clubs as well as the closest thing in years to a fashionable form if meditative music-ambient house. Over the past two years, ambient house has moved from clubs to record labels, and some if its originators are beginning to find an audience in this country. Among the best-known groups are the Orb, Ultramarine and Orbital; 777, a collaboration between Alex Patterson if the Orb and the progressive house rock guitarist Steve Hillage, has yielded a self-titled American album, available on Caroline Records. Caroline has also just issued "Excursions in Ambience," a compliation of English, Dutch and American ambient-house music that provides a thorough overview this emerging style. The tracks on "Excursions in Ambience," which was complied by Brian Long of Caroline and the New York club D.J. Mr. Kleen, range from Ultramarine's sweet nostalgia trip for the 1970's, "Saratoga (Upstate Mix)," to Psychedelic Research Lab's "Tarenah." featuring Tibetan throat-singing and an East Indian drumbeat, to the happy android beats of "Afterglow by It's Thinking. Strangers to ambient house many find the variety in these works hard to grasp at first. But a few listens in the proper state of reflective attention reveal the span of experimental moves that the creators of ambient house are making with seemly random sounds. In the late 80's, as a disk jockey in a London club, Mr. Patterson established the first chill-out room as a retreat for dancers who were coming down from a chemical high or just tried. He mixed bits of progressive rock with slowed-down synthesized rhythms to produce music that was witty and seductive as the faster rave style. Mr. Patterson soon united with Jim Cauty, who had begun similar experiments with his group, the KLF, to create a more than 30-minute-long single entitled "A Huge Evergrowing Pulsating Brain That Rules From the Center of the Ultraworld." That 1989 track contained elements that remain integral to much ambient house. Layered pulsating beats supported a series of samples ranging from church bells to a rooster crowing to altered passages of Minnie Ripperton's soul classic, "Loving You." A female voice plucked out of context, often serves as muse in ambient house recordings, and noises that would not otherwise be considered musical help it redefine what music actually is. As does hip-hop, ambient house rearranges snippets of familiar sounds within a bed electronic; but in this case, rapping does not ground the tracks in narrative. Instead, the samples become a guide to an aural experience that is realized within the listener's own imagination. Ambient-house tracks (they're rarely songs, in the conventional sense) don't tell stories; they aim to encourage dreams. In this way, ambient house resembles the decidedly uncool genre of new-age music. New age is typically dismissed by young music fans as nothing more than easy listening in hippie garb, purchased by balding men in Guatemalan sweaters, desperately seeking psychic relief from their bourgeois burdens. Yet the genre shares one crucial element with the rock tradition: it seeks to affect its listeners with a life-changing intensity. The Rolling Stones, the Clash or Pearl Jam all offer their fans some kind of enlightenment whether sexual, personal or political. Rock's dedication to a do-it-yourself ethic and its often anti-intellectual fear of "preachiness" keeps its lessons informal and streetwise. New-age composers, on the other hand, think of themselves as gurus, manipulating sound either to produce specific physical responses (such as relaxation) or to lead initiates on so-called spiritual journeys. A somewhat willful obscure line of pop falls between these two extremes, and it's that tradition that inspired ambient house. The composer and producer Brian Eno, who named the genre ambient, released as series of minimalist electronic recordings in the mid-70's with titles like "Music for Airports" and Apollo (Atmosphere and Soundtracks)." Mr. Eno realized that music runs on a continuum with the random sounds one hears during an average day. He structured his pieces in a diffuse away that subtly created a mood, rather than forcing a narrative on listeners. The new approach to composition is central to ambient house. His collaboration with David Byrne," My Life in the Bush of Ghosts," sampled spoken evangelical texts and other voices within a melange of dance rhythms, foreshadowing ambient house's fascination with religious material and its roots in dance. Progressive rock by the likes if Pink Floyd, King Crimson and Mr. Hillage's former group, Gong, also leaves its mark on this music., mostly through a shared interest in fantastic themes like science fiction, Orientalism and mythology. But while progressive rockers were all too fond of a Dungeons-and-Dragons-style romanticization of medievalism, ambient house pioneers favor space-age imagery. Dub, a slow, thick and reverb-heavy style of reggae, also surfaces in ambient house mixes. The English producer Adrian Sherwood synthesized dub, hip-hop and dance music in his influential work with groups like New Age Steppers and Tackhead during the 80's. World music, notably Indian and Asian classical styles, also influences ambient house, with its use of repetition to establish a trancelike state. Mostly, however, the young brains behind ambient house feed their creativity from the forest of the media that surround them. Mr. Long notes that today's teen-agers, raised on hip-hops' beats and samples, possess an entirely different idea of music's possibilities than do the forebears, who are accustomed to the linearity of rock. Ambient house finds its soul in the link between the human experience and electronic information. Walking through Times Square, surrounded by video billboards, dialing the phone and hearing a friend's recorded musical message, channel-flipping after a hard day in front of the computer terminal, many people spend their lives in constant communication with electronic angles. Ambient house makes a musical home for the spirit using these signals sent through technology's stratosphere. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: David M McDowell Subject: many thanks Thank you everyone who participated in the I will admit very lenghty survey about MDMA-- I appreciate it greatly. As soon as I can I will post the results. Our group is also doing a survey at a few Raves this weekend (a much shorter, but more comprehensive one about the rave experience) when that is done I'll send it along--If anyone wants to see the survey just write to me at dmm6@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu and I'll send it along ***also, does anyone have a comprehensive list of adresses for e-mail networks associated with the rave scene--I'd be eternally grateful if you'd send that along*** [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: John Shiple Subject: Re: HEY JACK REANIMATE! Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 13:04:16 EDT Meat Beat Bootleg? If there is such a thing anywhere, please e-mail me... -John Knee-raver [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: videos From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 12:21:00 -0500 Could someone tell me where I can buy video tapes that are shown on Raves? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 12:57:30 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: ambient house article wow. this article was rather good. :) i quite liked it! peace. >>taylor.808 modulator! modulator! modulator! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: what language is this? from the 909 manual: + Snappy This corresponds to the snappiness of the Snare Drum. At its fully counter- clockwise position, Snare Drum sound with snappy removed will be obtained. :) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 10:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: prepare to be green with envy even though i sorta just finished agonizing over buying a new drum machine (and ended up with the DR-660), i just bought *another* one last night. This one, however, was a 909. wheeee! hardcore death machine in the house! and it only put me out $125... :P :P (only problem is that the snare works only intermittently :( i didn't really realize how much of hardcore is 909... when i heard those cymbals, that stick, and that snare (and of course the kick, but i already knew about that) they sounded completely familiar. :) hmm... now to find a 303... if anyone has qool things they love to do with their 909s, i'm all ears... (now i just have to figure out how to program the damn thing... looks like a real chore, especially considering the usual *very clear* manual) mike or should i say tint909 :P [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: august@Athena.MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 15:31:45 -0400 Subject: INFO [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 15:37:04 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Re-Grin info Directions to Grin: 95 North to Maine exit 6A(Portland) onto 295. Take exit 7 onto Franklin Street-Aterial. Take left at 6th right Onto Fore Street, through Stop sign. Eith of a mile up hill on right. Distance, 2 hours form Boston, 5 from NYC. See you there!!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:10:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: what language is this? (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Tue, 13 Apr 1993, mike perkowitz wrote: > > from the 909 manual: > > + Snappy > This corresponds to the snappiness of > the Snare Drum. At its fully counter- > clockwise position, Snare Drum sound > with snappy removed will be obtained. > > :) Or you can try this: Snappy [adj.] - Crisp, tight, sharp, not muffled. :) Hey you have a manual!!! I have one for my 303 do you? I don't have one for my 909 John Adams (jna) was supposed to copy his for me but I don't know what happened. John? What's up are you gonna do it? If not do you think you can Mike. I will pay shipping and copying costs.... Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:25:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: prepare to be green with envy (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Tue, 13 Apr 1993, mike perkowitz wrote: > > even though i sorta just finished agonizing over buying a new drum machine > (and ended up with the DR-660), i just bought *another* one last night. > This one, however, was a 909. wheeee! hardcore death machine in the house! > and it only put me out $125... :P :P Good deal!!! Where did you get yours? I bought mine for like $250. Of course I got my 303 and 606 for $100 each so that makes up for the extra $125 I paid for the 909. Tell the truth, does the DR-660's 909 samples hold a candle to the real thing? > (only problem is that the snare works only intermittently :( Ah well for $125 you should have known that SOMETHING would be phuked. Try shooting some tv-tuner cleaner into the pot for the snare level. > i didn't really realize how much of hardcore is 909... when i heard those > cymbals, that stick, and that snare (and of course the kick, but i already > knew about that) they sounded completely familiar. :) Yeah! The 909 is the HARDCORE drum machine (run the kick through a distortion pedal/unit.) But shhh.....don't tell anyone. > hmm... now to find a 303... Well I could sell ya mine...........for lets see.....hmmm $1000. (Don't laugh they pay that routinely in Germany) > if anyone has qool things they love to do with their 909s, i'm all ears... > (now i just have to figure out how to program the damn thing... looks like > a real chore, especially considering the usual *very clear* manual) It's easy to program but uh, I ain't tellin'. No seriously, put it in tap mode and hit start and play away. If you need a metronome then hit cycle/guide Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:44:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacobredfield Subject: Xcursions in AMBIENCE hello, pertaining to the times article on ambient - has anyone purchased or heard the cd/lp of excursions of anmbience? If so could you post a review? it would be greatly appreciated. I didn't know mr.kleen helped compile this comp. I have one of his records, and i heard him spin before-so my money is almost spent. A review would finalize my descison. phanx alot! I GET HYPE WHEN I HEAR A DRUMROLL PEACE - jAke [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 17:31 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Re-Grin info >Directions to Grin: >Distance, 2 hours form Boston, 5 from NYC. >See you there!!!! Really, only 5? Because Boston is on the way from NYC to Maine, and it takes me 4 and a half hours to get to Boston from NYC -- and I drive like 70 mph. I'd say 6.5 to 7 hours from NYC to where Grin is. Unless you drive like Dave McMahon, of course :-) Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:56:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacobredfield Subject: SUMMA CONCERTZ ITS THAT TIME AGAIN. TIME TO SAVE YOUR HARD EARNED WORK STUDY $$$$$ AND SPEND IT ON THE GOOD LIFE. HEARD STR8 FROM JACK DANGERS THAT DEPECHE MODE ASKED THEM TO TOUR WITH THEM THIS SUMMER. ALSO FRONT 242 WILL BE WITH LOLLAPALLOZA(SP?) THIS SUMMER. ENJOY!!! I GET HYPE WHEN I HEAR A DRUMROLL PEACE - jAke [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Xcursions in AMBIENCE Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 17:59:56 -0400 From: kanarick@media.mit.edu In message <0fmnF6_2ATo18Flsl4@pitt.edu> you write: > hello, > pertaining to the times article on ambient - has anyone purchased or > heard the cd/lp of excursions of anmbience? If so could you post a review? A review has been posted to the klf/777/orb mailing list. Check out the archives on asylum.sf.ca.us:/pub/klf -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@sim.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Xcursions in AMBIENCE Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 16:22:26 -0600 (MDT) > pertaining to the times article on ambient - has anyone purchased or > heard the cd/lp of excursions of anmbience? If so could you post a review? Hey folks on ne-raves, this is consistently the only list where I post a review, then several weeks or months later, someone is ranting about a "new find" or wanting opinions about it. Are my reviews getting out to this list? Here is the review: Excursions in Ambience - A Collection of Ambient-House Music Caroline: CAROL 1733-2 1 101 06:10 Tranquility Bass: Mya Yadana 2 125 05:10 The Future Sound of London: Calcium 3 128 06:34 Higher Intelligence Agency: Solid Motion (Black Hole Mix) 4 115 05:12 Ultramarine: Saratoga (Upstate Mix) 5 125 07:35 Psychedelic Research Lab: Tarenah 6 129 08:11 Psychick Warriors of Gaia: Obsidian (Deconstructure Edit) 7 119 06:08 777: Mia (The Fisherman Mix) 8 127 05:05 It's Thinking: Afterglow 9 101 06:51 Banco de Gaia: Desert Wind (El Ahram Mix) 10 115 02:47 Sub Sub: Past Comments: With names like this, it is hard to go wrong, and I have a hard time trying to find anything wrong with this compilation. Sure, the original "Deconstructure" of "Obsidian" is great, but it is also 20 minutes long. "Calcium" by FSOL is nothing new, but I wasn't upset at hearing it again. Exist Dance has been recognized with the "Mya Yadana" and what a beautiful piece it is, replete with baby sounds and samples about the Madonna. Fine remixes of fine originals are present with Ultramarine and Banco de Gaia. The most pleasent surprise for me was the Sub Sub track "Past". It is silky smooth with a nice guitar overlay, not extremely shakeable, but it sure feels good going through your head. Summary: 10/10. Nothing wrong with this compilation, and at a domestic price this is the best domestic ambient-house collection yet. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 13 Apr 1993 19:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Andrew Lash" Subject: Orb mailing list Argh.... Ive been trying to get on the orb list for quite a while now. Whats the address? -thanks John Andrew Lash H H State University of New York bitnet: H H at Albany JL3683@albnyvms.bitnet H H __ internet: H~~~H/ / "When your bank says 'no' JL3683@gemini.albany.edu H:::H / Champion says 'yes'." /:::::\ --------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 19:42:04 EDT From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu (BreakBeat HailStorm) Subject: New Club - ZOOM Hello! Dont mean to "waste" bandwidth, but I wanted to let you all know about a new club opening in PIttsburgh this weekend. It is called ZOOM. It is 21+ every day except on Sundays. On Sundays this club is ALL AGES. Let me give ya da details..... PURE JUICE! * 2 different floors of sound * I [dieselBoy] spin breakbeat/core and hardbeat/core in the main room * Special guest djs weekly spin different stuff on the second floor * Cover is a mere $3 * Open all night until 5AM * Clean/Loud soundsystem -- UpComing djs April 18 -- DJ Drown [technoterrorists] April 25 -- DJ ApplePie [norway] May 2 -- Sleepy:C [hardtrance from cleveland] This club will hopefully kick big ass. If you are in the area, stop by and see whats up. It is at 826 Island Ave in McKees Rocks (10 minutes from downtown). The info line is 771-1166. Hope to see you there! dieselBoy -- dieselBoy.........................................................[1] ruffest damian@cislabs.pitt.edu...........................................[2] highbeat The syrup bottle shaped like a little boy ........................[3] breakcore -------------------------------(visit toytown)---------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@sim.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Orb mailing list Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 18:44:32 -0600 (MDT) > Ive been trying to get on the orb list for quite a while now. > Whats the address? klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us This is the KLF list as well. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: resubscribe Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 21:02:13 -0400 From: "Handel Low" SUB DISCUSS [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 21:16:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacobredfield Subject: FOR THE PITT SCENE A K I R A - HAILED AS ONE OF THE BEST JAPANMATION FILMS EVER CREATED WILL BE PLAYING AT THE WILLIAM PITT UNION FOR TWO DOLLARS OR NO CHARGE WHATSOEVER ON APRIL 14TH (WEDNESDAY) AT 4PM. IF YOU NEVER SAW IT CHECK IT OUT. LIVE THE CYBER XPERIENCE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS!!! I GET HYPE WHEN I HEAR A DRUMROLL PEACE - jAke [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Speaking of mutation: From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 20:16:00 -0500 -> Beyond the ultraworld of Pete Ashdown: -> > -> > Personally, I'm tired of seeing computer animation at raves. At -> the last one > I threw, the video guy and I both agreed that computer -> animation would be > minimal. -> -> As i said, use tastefully. Of course you don't just let a 2 hour tape -> play. If something is to be accomplished, you need a VJ (as you need -> somebody for the lighting system) cause you cant mix sound and video -> simultaneously. -> An analogy with music would be to play a 2 hour set of "Speedy J - -> something for your mind" with all the remixes. Of course they are a -> little different, but it's basically the same thing. -> -> > Plus, the computer animations we did use were either severely > -> distorted, or off of rare SIGGRAPH technical tapes. The best stuff -> he did wa > from science films. He had a ton of Nova's on video -> tape, so he went through > and dubbed out all the cool stuff. Time -> lapse photography, microscopic > closeups, electron-scanning -> microscope animations. On top of that, he used > footage of clouds, -> canyons, and old 50's stock footage. Once it was all mixe > together -> with a toaster, it looked _really_ good. -> -> Excellent suggestion. One thing i have done is to take a shot of the -> desert (accelerated) with clouds and shadows (from a publicity), -> digitise 13.7 seconds ( 32 beats at 140 bpm) and put some bouncing -> bubbles (computer generated). Now i record about 10 minutes of that -> loop, but only to be used as a snippet in a video mix (live). If you -> prerecord the whole thing, you will not keep the sync... I use the -> video recorder the same way i would use an audio sampler. -> Ciao, On the 23rd I'll be doing graphics for a local rave here in Philly [the RAVELESS or should I say LAMEST City]. The Rave is called Color Box II I've got a Sony CCD5000 camcorder that I will use to display ravers real time with a projector, and on top of it will be Amiga graphics/fractals/black and white digitized pics and animations. I've hooked up two Amigas thru a genlock so that each one overlays graphics on top of each other...looks pretty nice...shame I cant afford a Toaster YET! [actually I am waiting for the A4000 version to come out]... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 21:26 EDT From: "Take a trip to the moon..." Subject: is this rave-related? Well, whilst on vrave, I was thinking that maybe we could compile a list of everyone's birthdays...make a list so that maybe on your birthday, you'd get a ton of e-mail from everyone? If this sounds really stupid, let me know...otherwise, from what I hear, people are interested, so... if it's ok with you, send me your full name/netname/e-mail address/birthday-- including month/day/year thanks :) --Jetta... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Speaking of mutation: From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 20:21:00 -0500 -> Beyond the ultraworld of Pete Ashdown: -> > -> > Personally, I'm tired of seeing computer animation at raves. At -> the last one > I threw, the video guy and I both agreed that computer -> animation would be > minimal. -> -> As i said, use tastefully. Of course you don't just let a 2 hour tape -> play. If something is to be accomplished, you need a VJ (as you need -> somebody for the lighting system) cause you cant mix sound and video -> simultaneously. -> An analogy with music would be to play a 2 hour set of "Speedy J - -> something for your mind" with all the remixes. Of course they are a -> little different, but it's basically the same thing. -> -> > Plus, the computer animations we did use were either severely > -> distorted, or off of rare SIGGRAPH technical tapes. The best stuff -> he did wa > from science films. He had a ton of Nova's on video -> tape, so he went through > and dubbed out all the cool stuff. Time -> lapse photography, microscopic > closeups, electron-scanning -> microscope animations. On top of that, he used > footage of clouds, -> canyons, and old 50's stock footage. Once it was all mixe > together -> with a toaster, it looked _really_ good. -> -> Excellent suggestion. One thing i have done is to take a shot of the -> desert (accelerated) with clouds and shadows (from a publicity), -> digitise 13.7 seconds ( 32 beats at 140 bpm) and put some bouncing -> bubbles (computer generated). Now i record about 10 minutes of that -> loop, but only to be used as a snippet in a video mix (live). If you -> prerecord the whole thing, you will not keep the sync... I use the -> video recorder the same way i would use an audio sampler. Pardon me but you can be a TRUE VJ and mix graphics to the music! I did some experimenting and it is possible! For example; on both of amigas I have images/animations/color cycling pics/digitized video sequences assigned to EVERY key on the keyboard. With TWO amigas side by side, I keep on hand on one keyboard and other hand on the other keybaord and I control the graphics to the beat of the music. Of course this IS IMPOSSIBLE with the Video Toaster. There is just not enuff hand/feet/brain cycles to keep two toaster in action. Another way of VJing is having SHORT 15 minute VHS or BETA tapes with short video clips. The reason why they have to only 15 mins is so you can rewind/fast forward to any spot within seconds. You could probably pick up few Beta VCRs for like $50 a piece. Have 4 of them all ready with clips and simply cue them up as one is playing! hehe..sounds easy?? Jake [SJAKIE] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: in order to dance From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 20:23:00 -0500 -> Date: 12 Apr 1993 22:36:04 -0400 (EDT) -> From: TOWER OF DUB -> Subject: in order to dance -> To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu -> -> just bought this r&s compilation, in order to dance 4. -> it cost a 30 big bucks, but for two intense cd's (each over -> 70 minutes long) it is worth it. -> everyone out there should definitely give it a listen. -> -> manish Yup, it is a MUST HAVE! has APHEX TWIN's Analog Bubblebath, NRG, plus a bunch of other great RAVING hits. Not too commercial I think... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: John Shiple Subject: Re: Xcursions in AMBIENCE Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 21:33:41 EDT I just got Excursions in Ambience a couple days ago and I'll have to second Pete Ashdown's recommendation that it's a really good buy... So, in other words...get it... my 2 bits. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 21:33:43 -0500 (EST) From: an excursion through technospace Subject: Re: Xcursions in AMBIENCE someone (hugs to tina) bought me the "excursions in ambience" cd this weekend. i don't know each track well enough to post a track by track review...but, here's the track list anyway: 1: TRANQUILITY BASS: mya yadana (my favorite track) 2: THE FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON: calcium 3: HIGHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: solid motion 4: ULTRAMARINE: saratoga 5: PSYCHEDELIC RESEARCH LAB: tarenah 6: PSYCHICK WARRIORS OF GAIA: obsidian 7: 777: mia 8: IT'S THINKING: afterglow 9: BANCO DE GAIA: desert wind 10: SUB SUB: past this cd is an absolute must for trance addikts and those who like the sounds of bands like orbital, orb.. etc. it's an EXCELLENT cd.. and is quite varied in sound from song to song. it's VERY atmospheric.. and.. "other- worldly"... maybe someone else can post a more detailed review.. i love it. and i'm sure that if it looks good to you, you won't be disapointed. the first track is my favorite. >>taylor.808 modulate [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 21:58:44 +0501 (EDT) From: Greg Beckham Subject: Re: is this rave-related? wowowow- what a great idea!! or there could be a birthday dollar club.. everyone send a buck to the person whose birthday it is, and that way- everyone would get rich! peace out! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - greg beckham - - - internet: gregbec@gibbs.oit.unc.edu - - - phone : 919-914-4702 - rave on! - - snail : 7 teague hall - - - unc-chapel hill - - - chapel hill, nc 27514 - - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 22:05:30 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Re: FOR THE PITT SCENE hheheee one warning...don't take film reccomendations from Damian that are from Japan... ;) Love and Frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 22:22:57 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (so hip it hurts) Subject: Re: SUMMA CONCERTZ ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! front 242 and depeche mode and MBM.. !! I'm going! -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 22:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: >>>---HOM---<<< YIPEEEEEE! Its that time again that you all know and adore so much. mail me your info/plans etc for the upcoming weekend..thanks. liquid love.. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 13 Apr 1993 21:35:43 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu Subject: 1-800-4RAVELINE Does anyone know why 1-800-4RAVELINE has been disconnected? -Julian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 22:53:43 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Technofear) Subject: Re: is this rave-related? GB> wowowow- what a great idea!! or there could be a birthday dollar GB> club.. everyone send a buck to the person whose birthday it is, and GB> that way- everyone would get rich! GB> GB> peace out! GB> You do this on ne-raves and I'll boot your account and tell your systems admin faster than you can BLINK. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 23:05:06 EDT Subject: Re: 1-800-4RAVELINE it was probably disconnected becuz it was published in Entertainment Weekly last week in an article that gives new meaning to the word skimpy. i dont think Scotto was ready to pay for all the volume that must've entailed. He'll probably set a new line up. Hope he loses his shirt on it. I'll post that article as soon as I can... Peace. Poseur Mr. SparklE. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 23:11:11 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Speeding to Grin Laura is right. I read dir off Grin flyer. Guess I wasnt paying attention. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Speaking of mutation: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 23:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Jakub Ludwinski: > > -> Excellent suggestion. One thing i have done is to take a shot of the > -> desert (accelerated) with clouds and shadows (from a publicity), > -> digitise 13.7 seconds ( 32 beats at 140 bpm) and put some bouncing > -> bubbles (computer generated). Now i record about 10 minutes of that > -> loop, but only to be used as a snippet in a video mix (live). If you > -> prerecord the whole thing, you will not keep the sync... I use the > -> video recorder the same way i would use an audio sampler. > > Pardon me but you can be a TRUE VJ and mix graphics to the music! I did ^^^^^^^^^ I'm not sure if i will... 8) Read my text again. Ah! now you understand! I said i do not prerecord the whole thing because it is not possible to keep in sync so i have to do a video mix live. WHERE does it say that it's a no no? BTW, your confusion may be because i said i used video recorders (and a computer too) for video, in the same way as an audio sampler. Computers are fine, but video recorders are cheaper and can store very long sequences... Also, if i'm too lazy, i just plug my mixer out to my Gravis and let run my plasma program which animates plasma to the music (volume based - not as good as fft's but still interesting). > some experimenting and it is possible! For example; on both of amigas I > have images/animations/color cycling pics/digitized video sequences > assigned to EVERY key on the keyboard. With TWO amigas side by side, I > keep on hand on one keyboard and other hand on the other keybaord and I > control the graphics to the beat of the music. Of course this IS > IMPOSSIBLE with the Video Toaster. There is just not enuff > hand/feet/brain cycles to keep two toaster in action. But you need mega memory... I have some simple video sequences that take over 50 megabytes... > Another way of VJing is having SHORT 15 minute VHS or BETA tapes with > short video clips. The reason why they have to only 15 mins is so you > can rewind/fast forward to any spot within seconds. You could probably > pick up few Beta VCRs for like $50 a piece. Have 4 of them all ready > with clips and simply cue them up as one is playing! hehe..sounds easy?? I record every different sequences on different tapes so i dont need to rewind anything (anyway you can buy tape rewinders for 20$ and they are several times faster than your video and it prevents head damage). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: All this talk of video Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 23:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Speaking of video, it reminded me that someone on this list said he had a program for switching graphics on an IBM (he and his brother made it). Did you lose the list of people again, cuz i haven't seen it in my mailbox. I would have sent directly, but i cant find the email addy. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Speaking of mutation: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 23:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Jakub Ludwinski: > > -> Excellent suggestion. One thing i have done is to take a shot of the > -> desert (accelerated) with clouds and shadows (from a publicity), > -> digitise 13.7 seconds ( 32 beats at 140 bpm) and put some bouncing > -> bubbles (computer generated). Now i record about 10 minutes of that > -> loop, but only to be used as a snippet in a video mix (live). If you > -> prerecord the whole thing, you will not keep the sync... I use the > -> video recorder the same way i would use an audio sampler. > > Pardon me but you can be a TRUE VJ and mix graphics to the music! I did ^^^^^^^^^ I'm not sure if i will... 8) Read my text again. Ah! now you understand! I said i do not prerecord the whole thing because it is not possible to keep in sync so i have to do a video mix live. WHERE does it say that it's a no no? BTW, your confusion may be because i said i used video recorders (and a computer too) for video, in the same way as an audio sampler. Computers are fine, but video recorders are cheaper and can store very long sequences... Also, if i'm too lazy, i just plug my mixer out to my Gravis and let run my plasma program which animates plasma to the music (volume based - not as good as fft's but still interesting). > some experimenting and it is possible! For example; on both of amigas I > have images/animations/color cycling pics/digitized video sequences > assigned to EVERY key on the keyboard. With TWO amigas side by side, I > keep on hand on one keyboard and other hand on the other keybaord and I > control the graphics to the beat of the music. Of course this IS > IMPOSSIBLE with the Video Toaster. There is just not enuff > hand/feet/brain cycles to keep two toaster in action. But you need mega memory... I have some simple video sequences that take over 50 megabytes... > Another way of VJing is having SHORT 15 minute VHS or BETA tapes with > short video clips. The reason why they have to only 15 mins is so you > can rewind/fast forward to any spot within seconds. You could probably > pick up few Beta VCRs for like $50 a piece. Have 4 of them all ready > with clips and simply cue them up as one is playing! hehe..sounds easy?? I record every different sequences on different tapes so i dont need to rewind anything (anyway you can buy tape rewinders for 20$ and they are several times faster than your video and it prevents head damage). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: Mutation Ok, here's my 2 cents on Mutation. I know it's late but I'll be brief. First, the space: Excellent! The accoustics in that circular area were perfect. When you were in the middle you were SURROUNDED by sound. They sound was very clear and professional sounding. (With the mega-budget that Back to the Future and M2Productions had they could take some lessons from Recycled Productions on how to get the most bang for your buck soundwise.) Now as far as the DJ line up, it too was excellent. As usual dieselBoy spun some PHAT breakbeat. What was that song Damian, "Eat the funk, bite the funk...."???? Matt, Simon, (both Ne-Ravers) and the other Techno Terrorist (who's name escapes me at the moment) also spun some really good toons! Hearing them at a rave is alot different than hearing them on the radio and their mixing was virtually flawless. You guys should spin out around here more often. And I too flipped when I heard Outlander's Vamp, boy that brings back memories. Dr. Suess spun some wicked, stop your heart hardcore and did a very fine job inDEED! I of course liked what I think is now the Pittsburgh rave theme song, 9-millimeter. Special K was also a suprise with stuff I heard him spin, much different than his set at PowerRave, I'm impressed. Other things that made this rave a "must make it" event: Free candy which NEVER ran out to my knowledge. People who were just discovering raves for the first time are fun to watch. People who were cool, didn't have an attitude and welcomed you into their group of friends automatically. The true ravespirit lives on here in Pittsburgh. People who cheered and danced up a storm during my live set. (Jacob, if you thought THAT was good, wait until High Voltage!!!!) People who put this on (Recycled Productions) for not being in it for the money, for stretching their dollars and comming up with a color flyer that's as good as any other I have seen recently and a first for Pittsburgh, and the sound system which was INCREDIBLE. Also for the help they were with me setting up and ssuch. That kinda friendliness goes along way. People who were so hardcore that after the fire alarm went off the 2nd time went BACK in for more. Now to my dis list: who ever pulled tht second alarm should be taken out and beat with pillows for a good 3 hours. And thats about it.. My only question is where were all you NE/DC/MW ravers??? Especially the ones who said were comming? You missed a quality event that I am sure you would have enjoyed. A back to the vibe rave not a Back to the Moneybank rave. Most of you would have loved it. The smallness (400-500 people) and closeness of it was so intense and you MISSED it. What a shame. I guess you guys really DO like tyour 3 ring circus, 9 intellibeam, hardcore all night long, 2500+ people raves afterall. Joe (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:48:01 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Ride offer well...i have a pretty empty car going to Grin from Boston....i can take people, but i will need you to split on gas...let me know if you want to come... Love and Frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:56:50 -0400 From: "the third eye library" Subject: Re: is this rave-related? In message <9304140253.AA13364@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Technofear writes: > GB> wowowow- what a great idea!! or there could be a birthday dollar > GB> club.. everyone send a buck to the person whose birthday it is, and > GB> that way- everyone would get rich! > GB> > GB> peace out! > GB> > > > You do this on ne-raves and I'll boot your account and tell your systems > admin faster than you can BLINK. > > -john Wow...I kinda thought this person was kidding, but I guess you gotta obide by the rules so ne-raves doesn't end up a memory! Faster than I can blink?! Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us ********************* "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 01:25:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacobredfield Subject: MUTATION VIDEO o.k. - i saw count em two people recording mutation on camcorders. if possible im terribly interested in a copy!!! can anyone send me info? t h a n k y o u ! ! ! I GET HYPE WHEN I HEAR A DRUMROLL peace - jAke [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 01:57:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: own up.. When i got back to my room yesterday there was a weird message. An english sounding guy says "Hi, this is MDA" and then hangs up. Okay - which one of you wise-guys was it? Actually, i know it probably wasn't you people but its still weird and I though I'd tell you all. Strange. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 01:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Sea of Sin Subject: trip Thanks to all of you for making my trip to the east coast memorable! I am so glad I finally go to meet some of you!!! Thanks to Jesse, Neith, Donato, Vanessa, Tina, Taylor, Kreig, Craig, Susie, Mike P.,Kris, etc.!! I sure did get around the east coast. I might even come back there at the end of May/beginning of June with some fellow SFRavers. Hopefully some of you will be around then. Later on in the summer, you are all free to come and stay over my place (in return for all your hospitality) in San Francisco. I hope you don't come all at once, my place can't fit 200 people.;-). Take care and have fun at Grin and Krusty's.;). love, cindy seaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's extraordinary how we go through life with eyes half shut, with dull ears, with dormant thoughts. Perhaps it's just as well; and it may be that it is this very dullness that makes life to the incalculable majority so supportable and so welcome." -Joseph Conrad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ kawakami@usfca.edu kawakami@dons.ac.usfca.edu kawakami@alm.admin.usfca.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 06:21:20 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (omnibus) Subject: Problems with the listserver, sorry. Recently, there's been a slew of bugs with the new slick as hell list serv program.. I think I've ironed most of them out and even managed to install a wonderful logging program.. but.. if you'd had problems logging off or onto either list, try it again.. it should work... sorry for the inconvience. :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 04:24:33 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: VR at Krustys II I'm setting up my video based VR system at Krusty's II, so I thought I would give you a description of what you might expect. The virtual environments that I created were based on feelings and images that ravers associate with progressive house. The virtual environments featured virtual characters who led you through the various scenes. The scenes were based on feeling a good vibe as one moved from room to room through this "progressive house." Unlike most VR applications, these "rooms" did not have physical constraints of walls, floors, and ceilings. These "rooms" were intended to represent the feelings one experiences at the various stages of a rave. VIRTUAL CHARACTERS HappyHouse - This character is the first "person" you meet as you enter the virtual environment. HappyHouse is a smilely face house with arms that move in a simplified motion of a good raver. The role of HappyHouse is to welcome you into the "progressive house". Squiggly - This character resembles a fish who transforms its image back and forth. It's first image is a simple hand drawn fish with a "X" for an eye and a chomping mouth with pointed shark's teeth. It's similar to the logo of the former SF punk rock band Flipper. Squiggly transforms itself into a tropical fish whose body scales changes from stripes to polka dots. Squiggly's face is covered by Chinese Opera Masks that also changes when it's body changes. The role of Squiggly is to guide you through the rooms, introduce you to fellow ravers, and then set you off on your own. SCENES Happyhouse. HappyHouse moves up and down on the left hand side. Each time you trigger the actor, it begins it's movements. HappyHouse stops after the third movement and a sound sample from a wailing diva comes on and the scene flashed the welcoming message "Come into my house." Followme. Squiggly appears in this scene and invites the people to follow him. After he swims into you with his chomping jaws, he transforms himself with his Chinese Masks and gets ready to take you through the "progressive house." He's triggered again back to the chomping jaws and takes you through some fast images of fellow ravers. Then back to the Chinese Masks where Squiggly sets you on your way. Trippy. This is a set of circular patterns evolving from the center of the scene and extending outward. The first pattern includes digitized images of pussycats and a playing card with an teardropped eye. The second pattern features a rose colored digitized image of a high school yearbook photo. The final pattern is pink dots symmetrical around the circles. The trigger used to change the scene is a fried egg floating around at the top of the scene. Patty. This is the final scene. Its intent is to simulate the feeling of the peak rave vibe. Patty featured the stock Mandala paint scene. The paint scene displays colored trails of your body's movements. The trigger used to clear the screen and start new trails was a disco ball mapped with a warped image of heiress/terrorist Patty Hearst continually spinning across the ball. There is a moving object in each scene This is used to trigger scene changes. When you "touch" this object/character the scene will change to the next one. The object are HappyHouse, Squiggly, a fried egg, and the disco ball. SUMMARY This Mandala application was intended to capture the experience of a rave from its beginning to the daybreak finale. It starts with getting acquainted with your rave environment, and then leading up to the exhilaration one feels in the morning sun immediately after a good rave. This is why I introduced the virtual character at the beginning, and then set you off to discover your own the experiences. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: MUTATION VIDEO (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Wed, 14 Apr 1993, Jacobredfield wrote: > > o.k. - i saw count em two people recording mutation on camcorders. > if possible im terribly interested in a copy!!! can anyone send me info? > t h a n k y o u ! ! ! Jake, I saw 'em too.....soooooooo where are they???? Also is it possible for me to get a copy of the hi-fi VHS tape that was recording the sets that night. Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 10:56:06 EDT From: Thomas C Noe Subject: Mayday!Mayday!Mayday! To the person who asked who sproduced the Mayday track: The song is by Westbam and his brother Dj Dick. The song was intended as an anthem to the May 1st rave in Berlin(?) that pulled a whole load of people 15,000+ If you listen to the tones of song you should notice that it spells out mayday! in morse code! Tom (The Rave Nerd) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Speaking of mutation: From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 10:04:00 -0500 -> But you need mega memory... I have some simple video sequences that -> take over 50 megabytes... -> -> > Another way of VJing is having SHORT 15 minute VHS or BETA tapes -> with > short video clips. The reason why they have to only 15 mins is -> so you > can rewind/fast forward to any spot within seconds. You -> could probably > pick up few Beta VCRs for like $50 a piece. Have 4 -> of them all ready > with clips and simply cue them up as one is -> playing! hehe..sounds easy?? -> I record every different sequences on different tapes so i dont need -> to rewind anything (anyway you can buy tape rewinders for 20$ and -> they are several times faster than your video and it prevents head -> damage). -> -> Ciao, -> -- -> Francois Dion I have few programs that play realtime anims from hard drive at around 25fps. My A2000 has 3MB of ram [32bit so it is very fast] and my A1200 has only 2mb of ram. It is enuff for simple fractal pics and anims. But I never use really long clips. For example I had a black and white digitized sequence that ran for like 5 seconds. THen I just loop it, change the pallette, and color cycle it and looks very futuristic.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@sim.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: SUMMA CONCERTZ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 09:34:41 -0600 (MDT) > ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! > > front 242 and depeche mode and MBM.. !! I'm going! front 242 and depeche mode and MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO.. I'm crying! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 11:37:34 -0400 From: Robert Alexander Whalen Subject: Krusty's ][ Crash Space...... Hey all, whatz up??? Name's Alex (Soma in VR-Mode). Been on the lists for some time now, but haven't posted yet...well, until now I guess. Seems to me its about time to meet some of you all, and with Krusty's coming up, I think I just might have the perfect way... Since I happen to actually live in Charlottesville (If it weren,t for the Krusty's and the Vitamins this place would be a living hell - thank god its my last semester!) in a pretty big apartment, I can offer my place up as the ideal post-Krusty crash space for all you making this week's pilgrimige. I've got two couches and plenty of floor space, so If you're lookin for a wasy to avoid that return trip, let me know! Oh, also, if theres interest out there in gathering before the Boogaloo, I'd be up for that as well. only one of my roommates is a fellow raver, but I should be able to work it out with the others easily enough that this wouldnt cause some sort of major domestic violence.... This event should be great, and with the promise of crash space, theres _NO_ reason why you shouldn't come now! Let me know if you're interested, and until then, remember......... A Damn is always better than a gram This is Soma... I'm Out.... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 12:57:33 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Krusty and F242, Meat beat When and where is Krusty's 11????? And does anyone know when or where I can catch Meat Beat Manifesto?? Love and Safety Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:10:30 -0400 From: Carolyn Shin Subject: MBM/808 State, Boston I just bought tickets today... $16.50... ouch! (I don't even want to see Supreme Love Gods...) Is anyone else going Thursday night to the Middle East Cafe? I'll be there sporting my Meat Beat et al t-shirt from the last show they played in Boston. CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: test From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 15:05:19 EDT this is a test sorry! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: deragon@DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (Seeker) Subject: After hour bars/clubs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 15:23:47 EDT I was wondering if anyone knew of any good after hour bars/clubs here in the city. I used to know tons of them, but I have been out of the scene for awhile and most are closed now. I know that "Save to Robots" is still open, but can't dig up the address, from what I remeber it was around Ave. A and East 4th. Can anyone verify this? I have to entertain several people tonight, (April 14th), who are from Utah, and they expressed interest in "going all night", so I gotta dig up some places to hit after 2 or 3am tonight. I will be spending most of the time in the village, around NYU, so if you know of a club/bar in that area, please drop me a line. Thanks... jpd -- ----- John Deragon deragon@cs.nyu.edu | deragon@doc.cs.nyu.edu ----- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (andy) Subject: Re: 1-800-4RAVELINE Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 13:26:14 MDT [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] A NASA event or NASA related-event was busted recently, might have something to do with it....Othre 800's are down, too, tho, so.... |-Julian -- andy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 15:37:13 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: Re: SUMMA CONCERTZ > From: pashdown@sim.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) > Subject: Re: SUMMA CONCERTZ > To: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu (NE Raves) > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 09:34:41 -0600 (MDT) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 148 > > > ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! > > > > front 242 and depeche mode and MBM.. !! I'm going! > > front 242 and depeche mode and MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO.. I'm crying! Me too! What a sad state of affairs! Maybe I could handle F242 and Meat Beat, but Depeche Mode?! Argh! This is what 'pop' is all about...lowest common dominator (sic). [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14 Apr 1993 15:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Subject: BOOM........ .....Is anyone going to this on Sat. in NYC?- I'll be there, maybe the picnic too- where in central park will it be and when?.....One thing I don't understand about Boom is that if it's from 11-6am and there's three bands and about 10 DJ's how much time are the DJ'S going to be spining- like 15 min. each- is this just another NYC hype thing?.... ....Hmmmmmm...... -ToNy_ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:43:38 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: 808/MBM in providence... is anyone going? i'll be there... from what carolyn said, it's a lot cheaper to see it here - my ticket was only $10.50 :P mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:57:10 -0400 From: Carolyn Shin Subject: sfraves people... I think my friend and I will be making a trip to San Francisco from June 2-13. Can anyone give me their address/phone number so that I can find out what's going on those weeks, or possibly hook up with you? I'm interested in raves, clubs (techno or industrial), and places of interest around the area... Thanks! CaRoLyN cshin@cs.ulowell.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 13:00:50 PDT From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: what language is this? > from the 909 manual: > > + Snappy > This corresponds to the snappiness of > the Snare Drum. At its fully counter- > clockwise position, Snare Drum sound > with snappy removed will be obtained. This language is Rolandese, which is created by writing the original manual in flawless Japanese, sending it to Cairo to be translated into Egyptian hieroglyphics, which are then translated into the highly expressive Bengalese Fire Dance, which is then professionally translated into crystal clear American English. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 13:10:41 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: NYC picnic The ne-raves nyc picnic has been moved to May 1st,right? -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 16:14:14 -0400 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ Show of hands }== Let's have a show of hands... how many of us Knee-ravers'll be @ 808-state in NYC saturday. tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 16:11 EDT From: PsychoTropical From: VAX2::MILONET "PsychoTropical" 14-APR-1993 16:06:53.13 To: IN%"ne-rave@gnu.ai.mit.edu" CC: MILONET Subj: KRUSTYS 2 Does anyone know where Krustys 2 is...That VR machine that Rob was describing sounds really cool...I'd like to go check it out....Knowing my luck it's probably out in the west coast somewhere.....PsychoTropical [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 16:30:07 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Detroit Anyone know if theres a Rave scene in Detroit? Or anywhere in Michigan? thanx [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 16:42:28 -0400 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: BOOM........ On Wed, 14-Apr-1993, AI3264@ALBNYVMS.bitnet (AI3264@ALBNYVMS.bitnet) said: > I don't understand about Boom is that if it's from 11-6am and there's > three bands and about 10 DJ's how much time are the DJ'S going to be > spining- like 15 min. each- is this just another NYC hype thing?.... I heard that there will be simultanious spinning... 3 seperate dance floors... Is this correct? tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: what language is this? Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 16:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Michael Wertheim: > > > + Snappy > > clockwise position, Snare Drum sound > > with snappy removed will be obtained. > > This language is Rolandese, which is created by writing the original > manual in flawless Japanese, sending it to Cairo to be translated into > Egyptian hieroglyphics, which are then translated into the highly > expressive Bengalese Fire Dance, which is then professionally > translated into crystal clear American English. I'm sure everybody has heard this urban legend, but: It seems that in a Yamaha manual they translated from Japanese to english on a schematic, the word screw by the word fuck... I think it was in a DX-21 or DX-7 manual. Anybody can confirm? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14 Apr 1993 16:50:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Martin Subject: Cheap Meat? Date: 14-Apr-1993 04:46pm EST From: Martin, Linda LMARTIN Dept: Tel No: (201)-408-3692 TO: Remote Addressee ( _in%NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU ) Subject: Cheap Meat? Hello all. I heard the show this Friday in Ortley Beach (somewhere on the Jersey shore) Is being billed as "Tidal Rave". I also heard that it is really cheap. I don't know exactly how much but if you call WHTG (908)493-2002 they can tell you. They are sponsoring the show. Linda LMARTIN@DREW [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14 Apr 93 16:52:00 EST From: "John Speakman" Subject: Re: boom Tony says: >.....Is anyone going to this on Sat. in NYC?- I'll be there, maybe the > picnic too- where in central park will it be and when?.....One thing > I don't understand about Boom is that if it's from 11-6am and there's > three bands and about 10 DJ's how much time are the DJ'S going to be > spining- like 15 min. each- is this just another NYC hype thing?.... I'm going to boom. The picnic is now May 1st, I think, probably a good job as I think it's supposed to rain on saturday. Boom is 2 rooms, 7 hours, so 14 room hours, allow 4 hours for 3 sets from the groups, leaves an hour each. But yes it probably is another nyc hype thing. Talking of which, there's another pseudo rave advertised in the voice, at the ritz, sat apr 24, 10-dawn, lots of toys and stuff "3 dance floors, 17 soft lounges, 11 capsules (hypno), vibrating platforms, aqualenses, smell machines, highest indoor strobe waterfall", etc. etc. but it doesn't say whos actually playing other than "dj soul slinger from liquid sky and more". Hmmm, actually this sounds rather fun. the phone # for info is 718 599-7324. John. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: Krusty's II Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 17:00:40 -0500 Hello, I know this really isn't the appropriate place for this posting, but things are getting hectic, and I wanted to get this out to as many people as possible. Please excuse the wasted bandwidth... Here's the info for Krusty's II: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, April 17 KRUSTY'S SPLATHOUSE Charlottesville, VA (804) 977 - 3291 Cyber Productions Presents KRUSTY'S SPLATHOUSE II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO Saturday, April 17 : 10pm - 6 am ----- WITH DJ's: Todd Krulak (Catastrophic/DC) Thirteen (ne-raves) Decay (Cyber/Germany) Oaf (Cyber/C-ville, se/ne-raves) Karl Matthews (Matrix/DC) Terabyte (Cyber/C-ville) Enzo (Cyber/C-ville, se/dc/ne-raves) - 30+ Megawatts of Hardcore, Tribal, Breakbeat, and Progressive House spinning in the main dance floor. - Multiple Chill Out Rooms . Chill out rooms equiped with various toys (chalk, hoolahoops, bubbles, and playground balls). . VRAVE hookup. . Main chill space playing trance/ambient/tribal music. - Rob Campanell's (ne-raves) Virtual Reality setup will be in one of chillout rooms. - Computer/Japanese Animation Visuals - Intelligent Real TimeLight Processing . Lighting will consist of Laser Emulators, Intellabeams, Dataflashes, Megaporcupines, and Shooting Stars. - SmartBar by Clark Kent - Advance tix are $8, $10 at the door . Tix can be purchased at Plan 9. All ne/dc/se-ravers *with badge* get the advance ticket price. ----- - CYBER Info line: (804)961-0183 ----- >From ne-raver Duncan Haberly (dch4s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu) a.k.a. DJ OAF [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] If you get lost just stop somewhere and ask someone over 35 years old where the old Monticello Diary is! I can be reached at my e-mail address or at: CYBER Productions 7 Valley Circle Charlottesville, VA 22903 All Krust, No Fuss! Duncan (DJ OAF) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul -- enzo@virginia.edu beloved@virginia.edu "I'm so high." - Eden Transmission psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: John Shiple Subject: Re: MBM/808 State, Boston Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 17:23:24 EDT Tina, I, and my roommate will be there... I, too, will probably be wearing my meat beat shirt from the last time they were here...but jake says they got a really cool new one, so i may have to get that... Where'd you get tickets? Mine were only $15... -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 02:41:13 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: Rave Hotline On Mon, 12 Apr 1993 15:41:57 -0400 (EDT) you said: > > >Theres also the 1-800 number.. > > 1-800-4RAVELINE (i think) > > --Fluid > I called the number yesterday, and it said it was disconnected. Anyone else know anything? doug ) ( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 05:29:07 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Rave-o-matic This is the Rave-o-matic for the week of Wed. April 14,1993 hmm...i wonder...do people actually read this thing? enjoy.. doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0vingg race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu ========================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR __________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES: __________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 16 PHILADELPHIA, PA (215) 602 - 2289 ZODIAC II loin Past Midnight Productions in association w/Zues the Creator for Zodiac II - a gathering that spreads sunshine - not shade @ Revival 22 South 3rd St. Phila doors open at 9:00 pm provoding futuristic sounds on floor One Onionz (cancer) LI Wink (tauris/aries) various east coast raves Oddesey (aries) vagabound, G.T.P Kit Kats (aquarius) Troc.Acsend Special Guest DJ - t.b.a. Keeping it NATURAL in our environmentally controlled room with tribal - Progressive - Vocal & Classic house on floor two Mark (tauris/aires) sound of the underground WPRB 103.3 Friday's from 10:00pm to 2:00 am Remic (leo) - Green Dahlin (gemini) Zodaic I Lee (leo) - Gree, Bone-up, Switch & House music conisour Tripp (capricorn) Troc Flying in from Bell Blttoms USA we have VEGAS & Rio with their 8-track Love fest disco Hour. Dont miss this platform beadwearing extravaganza at 12:00 dir & ticket info: Sound of Market II philly 215.627.4423 Turbozen pitt - 412.621.7759 MusicNow dc - 202.638.3272 Vinylmania ny - 212.463.7120 Condom World boston 617.267.SAFE other info: 215.602.2289 kudos to mom and dad, wendy, abdul, spencer, revival staff, joanna, steve, wendy, stasha, gunther, dexter, janet, dave, pia, danny, elloise darrell rayna, stacy, bazil, audre, ginger, clide, ellisa, artie, Divine Ms. M & sparkle where ever you are... _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 PORTLAND, ME (207) 773 - 6979 GRIN K.C. and the Sunrise Gang, together with Pandemonium, brought you Crusade, Sky High and Deep -- Now let us make you GRIN celebrating 1 year & 5 major events sample the future beat with DJ's frankie bones (storm/brooklyn) dante (evolution) dmitry (of deee-lite) dj eternal (evar/san diego) tin tin (energy/uk) 333 & mgee (primary/london) overload (deep/portland) debo (mindwarp/boston) AFTER HOURS 8-12am $2 with osheen, tim ryan, dave trance World Beat room with Mr Mixx&guests-ambient room-house of grins also 1st time in Northeast: Full color,full spectrum 10 watt lazer with atmospheric & kinetic graphics by lazer's edge - see God! Intelligent lights by pandemonium! exquisite clarity by strand sound - smart-lee dirnks-food-brainwave goggles funkyduds-fun toys by big dipper-Jolt/Dew/Water bar-late night mystery laugh-video-fully legal warehouse overlooking the atlantic ocean portions of proceeds to benefit amnesty international New Jersey: Scooter 201-927-2292 Washington D.C. Michael 202-639-5397 Philly:Applejack 215-602-2226 Baltimore:Cris 410-752-7305 N.H. Matt 603-886-4217 Burlington Vt. Simon & George 808-862-6236 Montreal: Tiga 514-854-6446 Bangor, ME: Raving Maineiacs 207-942-7086 Hartford Ct: United Techno 203-627-5686 /bus info, PROMOTERS AND VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO.. Manhattan:Mello Mello 212-631-4290 Brooklyn: Joint Ventures 212-629-2061 Boston: mario 617-444-1422 benny 617-267-3358 Rhode Is. Deja 508-880-2497 _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA (804) 961 - 0183 KRUSTY'S II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO At the Splathouse - Charlottesville, VA Hardcore/tribal/breakbeat/progressive house through a 30,000 megawatt PA DJs: DJ Thirteen (NJ) Todd Krulak (DC) DeCay (Germany) Oaf (Charlottesville) Terabyte (Charlottesville) Info # 804.961.0183 multiple chillout rooms v-rave hookup smartbar by clark kent computer animation videos laser emulators intellabeams dataflashes shooting stars & porcupines $8 advance $ 10 door if you want to have tickets at advance price send e-mail to Duncan at dch4s@araday.clas.virginia.edu. Tell him your a ne-raver! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 235 - 1131 EXPAND Stretch the boundaries of reality in an environment of freedom Free your mind and find inner peace. Sonic Soul invites you to... E X P A N D Saturday, April 17, 1993 10 pm until sunshine sun mindphuq wash ultraworld modern music atomic vibe jason jinx who bobble nasa atomic vibe sonic soul scott hardkiss scott henry san francisco fever / citrus a m b i e n t b l i s s pegas entity trip lg atomic vibe ultraworld modern music sonic soul $10 Tickets at Moderm Music 410.523.1882 Baltimore Tickets at MusicNow 202.638.3272 Washington D.C. Sonic Soul 410.235.1131 PURE BALTIMORE UNDERGROUND _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 638 - 1213 A SPRING KLEANING Saturday April 17 10 PM to DAWN $15 $15 MR. KLEAN Phunctions Phit Phor Pharoes presents A SPRING KLEANING BACK TO THE UNDERGROUND Charly Lownoise > Rotterdam, Holland Mental Theol > James Christian > NYC Dave Trance > Tom T > Just back from England Lieven DeGeyndt > Music Now International Dave Jay > Limited Tickets available > Music Now International 806 F street NW to be held in Washington D.C. 202-638-1213 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 17 NEW YORK CITY (212) 330 - 8233 BOOM! "when worlds colide..." NASA + Anarchic Adjustment present B O O M ! Solar flaring live performances:808 State meatbeat manifesto supreme love gods Goin' Global DJs: Moby-NYC DB-NASA Keoki-Disco 2000 Destructo-Rave America Wink-Philly Micro-L.I. On-E NASA Mr. Kleen-NASA Tony Fletcher-Communion Sean CIC-Anarchic plus afterhours with: Dimitry-Deee-lite Soul Slinger-Liquid Sky Joeski-NASA spinning in two rooms on hyper-power surround sound systems Lighting up the Heavans: Psychecyberadiant(tm) Scotto Visual Astrophysics: 808's Incredible Lasers Experience Manhattan's biggest, boldest, baddest, bustproof all night dance frenzy! at the world famous ROSELAND BALLROOM 239 West 52nd St. (at Broadway) Tickets $15 in advance at Bleeker Bobs or $17 at the door. Star Date: Saturday, April 17,1993 11 p.m. 'till 6am. INFO: 212-330-8233 produced by db and scotto in deep space _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 23 PROVIDENCE, RI (401) 751 - 5695 EARTH DAY RAVE Earth Day Rave -- April 1993 Home Planet - djs - NYC: Rio James Christian London: 333 MG Providence: Grace Reese OSheeN Emergency Broadcast Network Sound and Light Therapy Virtual Reality Experiments Join us Media Circus ! (401) 751-5695 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 BOSTON, MA (617) 629 - 0777 FIELDS OF JOY Presented by Never Neverland Productions Simultaniously hooking up both coasts! We support B.U.S. Info coming soon: Boston (617) 629-0777 S.F.: (415) 979-LUV-O DJs: Robbie Hardkiss Debo Onionz Tintin (from England) Jason Jinx (from NY) _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 563 - 7880 ULTRAWORLD 6 - TEMPLE OF MOTION It's now time to bring everyone together to unify our souls through rhythm and motion. one intense room of pulsating sound, amazing visual stimulation, and a groove so funky you'll be hooked like a junky!!! RYDE DJ TRANCE DJ SUN New York Los Angeles Ultraworld ENTITY DANTE MAURE WASH Ultraworld Evolution Atomic Vibe FRANKIE HARTUNG Washington D.C. INFO LINE: 410.563.7880 Don't Just Call and Hang Up! Be Somebody!Say Something! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 621 - 7759 HIGH VOLTAGE !!! TurboZen Presents High Voltage!!! Saturday, April 24 9pm-6am Neural Transmission Event * Megawatts of Ace, Bass, Vibe disruption devices, * Auto-syncronizing visual effects for the mind, * Intellectual, liquids to keep you going all night, * Super Crazy Circus Apocalypse Side-show, and * A driving force line-up of totally schizmatic DJ's: Soji-Fu Jeff E ___________________________ Dr. Suess Side 2 | Special Live Performance | Finger +FX Simon | Super Cool 187 | Deadly Buda JediMindtrip || Terry Kicks Vic Money |__________________________| Bringing you the best of Hardcore, Breakbeat, Trance and Tribal music from all over this funky planet!!!! Phree with ticket from Tranceformer (all Tranceformer tickets must be turned in by Apr. 7) Ticket Information available at: 412.621.7759 _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 30 BOSTON, MA (617) 889 - 0739 NEBULA 1 (from Hitman) Rave in Boston (Cambridge Actually) - NEBULA 1 ============================================== Where ----- Location -4th floor warehouse CAMBRIDGE, MA exact location to be given out soon Date ----- 4/30/93 Cost ----- Will be $10 advance, $12 at the door Tickets can be purchased in advance, You will be put on a list and all you have to do is give your name to get in. Music ----- Techno/Trance/Ambient Drink ----- Beer. Smart Bar Food ----- I was thinking about some fruits and letting people choose. Djs ----- Dj Sin-d, FBI, Trouble, and UnKnoWn - - - we're looking for others who want to spin. so if you can and have records & equipment & would like to spin let me know. Lights----- Well we will be having lasers at this RAVE! Among other things we're trying to get a bubble machine Times ----- 9 pm till 6 am Spread the word.......The more people we can get will help us afford a bigger place to have the rave We're doing this for fun...But we'd like not to be in the red. So let people know about this. We'd like to do this again... Let me know how many people you think will be coming with you. All are welcome Hitman Advamced sales........ I can be reached at (617) 889-0739 Bill - Please call between 10 am and 4 pm _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 NEW YORK CITY NE-RAVES PICNIC write to taylor 808 for info. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 LONG ISLAND, NY (516) 547 - 6129 THE SECOND COMING (on an 8 1/2 by 11 piece of glossy paper, one side fold in like MAD back cover) Essence. After May 1st Nothing will be the same... the second coming * mayday 1993 SOmeonE the Essence of Life Generation saturday - may 1st, 1993 scott hardkiss - san francisco troposohere - nasa mr. kleen - primal micro -caffeine onionz - caffeine, layaway tin tin - u.k. derek carter - chicago dave trance - caffeine, future info essence lifeline 516.574.6129 hand delivered to you by dennis the menace, kort -n- greg, eddie van raven, mello mello, toast -n- rad brad, x3/o-tomic, jeff h., fred strong chris stiles tickets $15 no wait advance ticket sales li-dj records nyc-vinylmania brooklyn-groove nj-planet x boston-boston beat additional info/busses, etc. ny joint ventures 212.631.2061 mello mello 212.631.4290 toast n brad 516.345.5517 boston mindwarp 617.266.1987 dc giovanni 703.971.4555 md chris stiles 410.752.7305 gratis li underground, joint ventures, caffeine, wonderland, blue crew, atomic vibe, ultraworld, storm, kc sunshine gang, mindwarp, rob wave, chad e. boy slipshod rob, q, catastrophic, future, primal, jason, josh rubin, klass trip zine, rise, scooter, emily, lenny m, marc, kathy&christen, nasa, the silent one, planet x, dj records, groove, vinylmania, boston beat, and to all those who support the underground... produced and presented by simon sayz portions of the proceeds to benefit the memorial wildlife federation free afterparty at caffeine ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 PHILADELPHIA, PA (215) 552 - 8833 A DAY FOR MAY DJs to include: Brian MAY, MAYhem, MAc de haY, Derek MAY ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 523 - 1882 TRIPOTRONIC 7- MAY DAY FEST ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 NEW YORK CITY (212) 645 - 4321 YO! YO ! -- Let's gets hardcore! People say that Hardcore is dead! YO! They're wrong! Hear the master technicians MC'ing over their own work! Frankie Bones MC Romeo Romeo Dj Bananas (Storm) (Ham & Eggs) (Digital Deviants) Lenny Dee Thirteen SliP (Groove) (N.J.) (The house) Adam X Jimmy Crash James Christian (Groove) (J.C. #1) (J.C. #3) $35 Tickets at the Door. If you know Frankie, then it's a whole different story "If you want to live a HARDCORE lifestyle, you have to pay for it." - F.B. ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 298 - 9000 MARS Tonka presents: A Voyage to MARS DJ's: Frankie Bones, Keoki, Lieven DeGeyndt, Dante, Debo, Josh Wink, Scott Henry + more to be announced. ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 WASHINGTON D.C. ? (301) 279 - 7927 THE MONGREL ATTACKS D. O. G. Productions The Mongrel Attacks from phone info line: Ripping the Dance Floors -- Lenny D Adam X James Christian Jimmy Crash Jason Jinx DJ 749 007 T.Shread M & M Mindphuq Live performance from DC's own: Odyssey. live appearance MC NoShame 1st exclusive Hip Hop chill out room on the East Coast You think this party's not going on? Your crazy!! ______________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, May 16 NEW YORK CITY EVOLUTION PICNIC in NYC's Central Park Picnic with the Evolution collective and Dante _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 22 WASHINGTON, D.C. (202) 885 - 7092 SUPER RAVE '93 Through the calcuators and the money bags of greedy promoters A new era is dawning. As a community we have to become determined To not let the scene go to pot and become a fad. The ERA of the RAVER is here. And will be changing the future THIS IS A FREE EVENT! DJ's from ACROSS the NATION: SCOTT HENRY LIEVEN DE GEYNDT FRANKIE HARTUNG BOBBLE (Citrus Club) (Wash D.C.) (Wash D.C.) (Atomic Vibe) DEBO LG NIGEL RICHARDS SUZ-E CYCLONE (Boston) (Atomic Vibe) (bRAVE) (Wash D.C.) ODDESSY ANTHONY SCOTT OPM JOSH WINK (Wash D.C.) (Wash D.C.) (Wash D.C.) (Philly) SCOTT HARDKISS ONIONZ TROY KIMBALL (San Fran) (L.I.) (Orlando) (Orlando) KEOKI NEUROMANCER DEADLY BUDA LENNY DEE (N.Y.C.) (Germany) (Pittsburgh) (Brooklyn) JENO GARTH 333 DJ DENMARK (San Fran) (San Fran) (Rise) (N.Y.C.) SPUN MARKIE MARK DOC MARTIN DJ DAN (San Fran) (San Fran) (L.A.) (L.A.) ++++++++++++++ Live Performance from m o s e s o n a c i d +++++++++++++++ To be held in an a undisclosed location in the Washington D.C. area. Map Point at the Washington Monument. Come, bring your mind, your body, you soul...and leave a changed person FREE SMART BAR, A & E, RAVe-TOYZ, PSYCHOLOGICAL EVALUATIONS, PREACHING 500,000 watts of Booming Bass For a Loving Race 100 watt multi-color argon lasers The latest in Intellabeam technology: The Golden Beam Free Bus Trips! Free Trips! Free Everything! We're not joking!! _______________________________________________________________________________ Fri-Sun May 21-23 VERMONT ELEVATION elevation- a weekend long rave held in a ski resort may 21-23 in vermont (smugglers notch) 2 arena's- main area- on the mountainside confirmed dj's: onionz dante jason jinx wink a place called bliss james christian alx of london disco dan mayhem osheen jason (mouse) arena two- in a lodge- anyone who wants to spin can schedule for a time and go to it. tickets are $40 for the entire weekend $99 for the weekend including lodging and access to the pool, hot tubs, tennis, racketball, ect. $cheaper id you come after 8pm on Saturday (comment from camper) more dj's unconfirmed, but lets just say that san francisco djs are being considered. (good ones) _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 29 WASHINGTON D.C. (703) 971 - 4555 VIVID Catastrophic 93 Presents: VIVID The Rave continues in 93 _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 5 BOSTON, MA YELLOW the makers of BLUE take you one step beyond... Yellow 5 J U N E 1993 welcome to the next level _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 12 NEW YORK CITY (212) 876 - 2345 BUD RAVE '93 Brought to you by the King of Beers Budweiser and Coca-Cola Corp. More info in the future. _______________________________________________________________________________ Fri-Mon June 18-21 NEW YORK STATE 1 - 800 - 4RAVE - LINE RAVESTOCK (212) 330 - 8233 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 26 EAST COAST FROSTED RAVE (from Tarek Elnaccash, TWE5495@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU) prepare yourselves for.... F R O S T E D R A V E June 26 3000 ravers expected Suprise DJ list/live acts to be announced Location to be announced tickets will be $15 strictly advance sale only, Discount prices for members of NE-Raves, Mindcandy, and Fuzzy Logic are available Made for people who party by people who party. This is our rave! Members od NE-R/MC/FL can purchase tickets for $5 donations. These discount tickets will hwlp us cover start up costs and must be received by the end of May. The discount tickets are available only to the first 300 people who send for them. Ticket orders can be sent to me (Tarek Elnaccash 55e 10th st rm 1507 Ny,NY 10003) Flyers for this event/regular tickets will be available soon at record stores around (complete info will be listed soon) If you dont want to wait send your flyer request to: M I N D C A N D Y c/o Vitamin Love 111 Hackensack Plank Rd Wee. N.J. 07087 Anybody requesting the flyers will receive a free copy of the MINDCANDY rave newsletter (aprox. 20 pages) Peace to all Ravers FROSTED RAVE will be the first collaboration of the three Techno-Tribes. The unification of the REAL RAVERS. ____________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, July 4 WASHINGTON D.C. LET FREEDOM RAVE rave act and rave dj's at the parking lot of the Cap Centre. _______________________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 05:36:50 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Cybernetic Loop Hey, did anyone go to Cybernetic Loop in New Haven? how was it? doug ) ( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 18:29 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: Calendar? hey where is this weeks calendar? I thought it was supposed to be sent out every tuesday or something. SOmeone please reply to this and let me know. ....PsychoTropical [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: SUPER-RAVE 93 HOLY BOLOGNE BAT MAN!!!! _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:16:32 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Re: Rave-o-matic um....what was that boston thing??? it said boston, MA and something like "yeah i know..." no name of event though....it is dated friapril 30 ??? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:44:36 -0400 From: "an annoying pigeon" Subject: Bud Rave??? What's this I see in the r-o-m about "Bud Rave"? "Brought to you by the King of Beers"? Does anyone have more info about this? Is raving that marketable to bring interest from Budweiser? I don't get it at all! Who would the crowd consist of? Is this really being put on by Budweiser? Wierd vibes at this one I would guess! "Hey Johnny, what 'cha doin'?" "Why, I'm raving drunk!" "Cool!" Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us ********************* "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:49:57 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Re: Rave-o-matic oops...i figured it out...my mail system can't read the rom..but i put it into emacs and saw...i still couldn't read it all...but i saw what the boston rave was... Basically, what is happening??? last i knew raves were alchohol free! now the weekend of reverse and future, we all experienced afterhours that served alchohol...and now...this so called boston rave will be serving alcohol and there is the "Bud Rave" which is sponsored by Budweiser....sorry but what is happening here??? Love and Frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 19:49:48 -0400 From: kumquat@acs.bu.edu (Kristopher Setchfield) Subject: 808state & meatbeat Is anyone driving to providence to see the show (18+, $7.00) tonight? do you have an extra space? I'm at Boston University kumquat@acs.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14 Apr 1993 20:31:28 -0400 (EDT) From: JASCHOENLY@vaxsar.vassar.edu Subject: r-o-m Do I detect some jokes here? If you look closely at the description of that MegaRave or whatever in D.C., you'll see a familiar phrase describing the 500,000 watts of bass: "...for a loving race." Hmmm. Also check out the tongue-in-cheek humor (I hope!) in the description of YO. 35 bucks? Maybe BUD RAVE is yet another little joke. I sure hope so!! Very funny, all three "events." jacob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Rob Cook Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 21:10:32 EDT Subject: Krusty's i don't know why so many people don't know where krusty's II is but i tell you.... its going to be in charlottesville VA this weekend. i'm not going to write detailed instructions because there are very detailed instructions on the FF/HOM???? i don't know what its called... anyway, it is going to be great, well worth the trip from anywhere. they had Krusty's I in this venue in March and it was incredible. its in a splathouse that is a huge maze, with plenty of nitches and corners to discover. anyway there are definately going to be postings on dcraves and seraves, so i'm pretty sure it will be listed here also.... hope to see you there rob c. rlc2h@virginia.edu "remember that life is strange, and life keeps getting stranger everyday" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:40:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ravindra S Shah Subject: Re: Rave-o-matic Wasn't High Voltage changed to May 1? That's what my flyer says... --- Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "La mu'sica ideas portara' approx. translation: "Music will bring ideas y siempre continuara' and will continue forever sonido electro'nico electronic sound decibel sinte'tico" -Musique non stop- synthetic decibel" -Kraftwerk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:49:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Jokes? Lets not play games kidz.. BudRave - joke SuperRave 93 - Is is possible that there would be that much talent in any one place at that time? and for no cost? and in the nations capital? I doubt it. Yo! - what?? $35?? unless you know Frankie? MCing over their mixing?? Please tell me this isn't true. Is Laura gonna MC too?? :) Im confused... --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 22:02:59 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: list of raves Hey, sorry about the Rave-o-matic being out so late, but this time it is not my fault. I sent it at 5:00 AM in the morning. I think that the American Univ. mailer was having problems today. -back to your regularly scheduled programing- ;) doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 22:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: Re: NYC picnic yes, the ne-raves picnic has been moved to sat. may 1st. this way.. people will (or should be) heading down here (to NY) for ESSENCE 2. (the rave to end all raves... trance heaven...) there will be more details... >.taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 23:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Raveomatic TOTAL cheers for Laura and Ed for being on the bill at YO!! I just might come to it...but $35?!? They MUST be kidding. Also, the SUPERRAVE sounds like a winner. Jeno, Garth *and* Suzy Cyclone?!? I'm there!! mikebee [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 23:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: list of raves If SUPER RAVE's a joke i'll cry, but then it *was* too good to be true. mikebee [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 23:15:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacobredfield Subject: bud rave BUDWISER the King of Beers presents BudRave 93!!!!!!!!! Let the feeling of BUDWISER caress you! With beer swiggin' DJ's Bringing you the hardore underground taste of Bud!! NYC - JOEY BELTRAM NYC - MOBY NYC - FRANKIE (MUTHAFUKA!!) BONES DC - MICHAEL MEACHAM + MORE TO BE ANNOUNCED Performing live no sellout recording artists. 2 Unlimited - bringing you there top 40 hit "Twilight Zone" LA Style - with the song that put hardcore on the map "James Brown is Dead" The Movement with their only for the heaadstrong hit "Jump Everybody" Lights, and beer madness by Bud Lite and Scotto. IF YOU LIKED BACK TO THE FUTURE AND THE LAST STORM RAVE BUDWISER URGES YOU NOT TO MISS THIS EVENT TICKETS AVAILABLE ONLY AT SAM GOODY/MUSICLAND (The only place for one-stop techno shopping) FOR ONLY $35.00 ONE DOLLAR OFF WITH A CAN OF BUDLITE IN HAND! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 23:23:14 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: bud rave Yesssss!!!!!! i have got to go to this event!!!!!!!!!!! A MUST!!!! ;) doug ) ( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 23:28:08 +0501 (EDT) From: Greg Beckham Subject: Re: Rave-o-matic bud rave and super rave- are these some kind of late april fools jokes??? the super rave would be allout PHAT!! peace out! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - greg beckham - - - internet: gregbec@gibbs.oit.unc.edu - - - phone : 919-914-4702 - rave on! - - snail : 7 teague hall - - - unc-chapel hill - - - chapel hill, nc 27514 - - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14 Apr 1993 22:36:21 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu Subject: ROTTERDAM I picked up a new 12" on Rotterdam records entitled "THE 1ST ANNIVERSARY MEGA-MIX"....it's slammin! For those who like Rotterdam stuff...it's a must buy... Instead of paying $9 for every single they put out....you get over 20 for the same price (although each is on for less than a minute each) Anyone else have it? The flipside includes three songs .. My favorite tracks from the mix are Sound of Rotterdam - "Way Aah", General Noise - "R'dam Subway", and Armageddon - "You'll never bne mine" -Julian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 23:53:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: ROM jokez ok..heres the deal..5 false raves: 1.Budrave 2.super-rave 93 3.MayDay in philly 4.Together we rave (DC) 5.YO! - lets get hardcore Appears that this was an attempt to see if anyone actually reads the ROM. well..now you know. :) _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: ROM jokez > ok..heres the deal..5 false raves: > > 1.Budrave > 2.super-rave 93 > 3.MayDay in philly > 4.Together we rave (DC) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *-Whoops! i meant Freedom rave (DC) :) > 5.YO! - lets get hardcore Sorry..:( --FLuid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 01:41:22 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (tell me about ... subscriber trunk dialling!) Subject: Re: SUMMA CONCERTZ Hey, I LIKE Depeche Mode.. But, I hate the new stuf -john  [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 01:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Anybody going to see 808/MBM? Hey ne-ravers...anybody going to the 808state/MBM tour? I need a 808 t-shirt!!! I put mine in the washer and the entire lettering came off!!! I will pay full price $20 plus shipping + will be indebited to you for life. Help out a fellow ne-raver!!!! Brian ** lunatik ** PS Send me email!!!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 01:42:31 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (tell me about ... subscriber trunk dialling!) Subject: Re: 808/MBM in providence... IS the providence show !=21 plus? -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 01:45:17 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (tell me about ... subscriber trunk dialling!) Subject: Re: Detroit Oh no , no rave scene in detroit... that's just where most of the WONDERFUL bone-crushing, spine-bending hardcore was coming from last summer.. -john -fuck happy music. -let's KILL. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: GRIN et al. From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (N. E. Tableman; I want information autonomy!) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 09:46:47 EDT This will be the first time I think I will be in the same place with some of you. That is it is my first rave since coming onto this group. I would be interested in meeting some of y'all. Will there be a way to differentiate you from normal people? I know the badges, but I missed the latest posts on them becaue of technical problems. One other thing, the fractal program that some of you were interested in has been delayed due to a speed problem, we cannot get it to run right on slow computers! The shame of owning a 486dx50! As soon as its up, I'll let y'al l know! Tell me know how do I feel!?!?!?! Nathan E. Tableman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Apr 1993 10:58:13 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Subject: The Latest Rave-O-Matic Just a comment about the latest ROM. Some of those entries look ridiculous IMHO. I mean, what's the deal with the psychological evaluations and preaching (@ Super Rave), and Bud Rave and all that shit? Just curious.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Apr 93 11:49:00 EST From: "John Speakman" Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic > Some of those entries look ridiculous IMHO. I mean, what's the deal with > the psychological evaluations and preaching (@ Super Rave), and Bud Rave > and all that shit? why ask why? (arf, arf) john. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.att.com Subject: Re: Rave-o-matic Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 12:19:22 -0400 (EDT) > Hear the master technicians MC'ing over their own work! > > SliP > (The house) > > $35 Tickets at the Door. If you know Frankie, then it's a whole different story Well, I don't know Frankie (since he summarily ignored me when I did lights though his set at Thunderground), so I guess it'll cost me $35 to spin. I wonder what it'll cost me if I don't show up... -SLiP [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 13:09 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: It's a JOKE, son. Well, so much for Doug's little idea of testing out (a) if anyone actually READS the rave-o-matic and (b) if anyone on this list actually has a sense of humor. Doug, it was great! I had fun helping you with the jokes. Doug and I are a couple of procrastinators, so consider it a very late APRIL FOOL'S. Geeze. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 13:23:08 EDT From: snipet@uci0.mitre.org (Henry M. Hughes) Subject: praise be the jokesters ... I thought the BudRave was hilarious and I feel that others did also, however ... unfortuneately, in life expect to hear more gripes than compliments ... :( much appreciated for the net - Hank *<:) ... "I take thee 'til dawn do us part" ... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 14:02:36 EDT From: snipet@uci0.mitre.org (Henry M. Hughes) Subject: praise be the jokesters ... What the ... Uh oh ... > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > napalm: User has exceeded their disk quota, try again later > 550 ... Can't create output ... > ----------------------------------------- Let me try again ... I thought the BudRave was hilarious and I feel that others did also, however ... unfortuneately, in life expect to hear more gripes than compliments ... :( much appreciated for the net - Hank *<:) ... "I take thee 'til dawn do us part" ... Color tip of the day: try chartreuse as your -ms and -cr color :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Apr 1993 15:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Subject: Joke-O-Matic I know it was supposed to be funny.. I've just been a moody bastard as of late (much end-of-semester work), and sometimes find myself unable to appreciate a good joke.. Apologies for being a wank.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: TMA@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 14:53:29 EST Subject: Philly... Hi all, Can somebody e-mail me the names of some cool techno clucbs in the Philly area! there is a chance I might be going there for couple of days. Also, what are the best days to go to where? Thanks, TAREQ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:29:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Asif Ikram Subject: Why ask why? Don't joke about Bud Rave, that shit ain't funny It'll be for real next time.....something to think about?? -asif *The Super Rave was very funny [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: OK, the fast computer.... From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (N. E. Tableman; I want information autonomy!) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17:51:10 EDT version of rave.arj is one my mainframes ftp site FTP 130.111.71.16 RAVE.ARJ BINARY you'll also see CUTCP file, just ignore it all..... net [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: things that make you go hmmmmm.. Just some thoughts about the ROM gags. The SuperRave thing was very funny and very silly, yet I wanted to believe it SO bad that I did for a while. This got me thinking. What is the reality of something like this? not with 25 DJs of course..but an outside, summerish event with maybe 5-6 DJs and all for little or no cost. It is all too easy to lose faith in the "scene" when you see all the people around who thought that they could cash in on the rave front and are now making literally thousand of dollars. I have this fantasy spinning around in my head of all us ne-ravers dancing through the night, watching the stars, and having a great time. no cost. no planning. no hype. This is kinda what the FMRs are all about and I'm thrilled too see there appearence on this coast. When I first read the SuperRave post I honestly believed that things might be changing for a minute...call me ignorant...but love blinds you. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Mistake: RAVE.ARJ available from 11:30-3:30 EDT tonight/tomorrow From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (N. E. Tableman; I want information autonomy!) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 18:25:33 EDT [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 15:28:45 PDT From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: re: It's a JOKE, son. > Well, so much for Doug's little idea of testing out (a) if anyone actually > READS the rave-o-matic And to think I deleted it without reading it. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:27 EDT From: ST933352@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subject: APPLEGRIN HI ALL Seems like there's gonna be quite a few NE-ravers at GRRRIIINNN Bonnie and I are going Neith is going Jeannie is going And lots more... And everybody else should go too... :) If somebody wants to meet before the rave on Saturday thaat would be cool We could go check out something in Portland Just a suggestion Chill, APPLEPIE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:32:35 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: i need more info people... the following people need to contact me: about badges: tony infranco you sent me you address.. but didn't tell me anything about your badge... like, what you want on it or anything. and.. someone named edward heraux: you sent me money and everything.. but never gave me an address.. or for that matter.. any info regarding your badge... please contact me and let me know what you want written on your badges. if you need more info from me, let me know. thanks. >>taylor.808 spirituality through technology oh.. and because of my fault.. bonnie gets two badges.. :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:39:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: 3D sound.. I saw a CD comp today entitled "This is the Future" (i think). On the cover it said that the CD was in 3D surround sound and that you didn't need any special equipment to achieve the effects. It even said that it would work on a regular car stereo. Just wondering..is this possible? and if so, how does it work? thanks. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: things that make you go hmmmmm.. Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 19:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Alan Michael Parry: > > The SuperRave thing was very funny and very silly, yet I wanted to believe > it SO bad that I did for a while. This got me thinking. What is the > reality of something like this? not with 25 DJs of course..but an outside, > summerish event with maybe 5-6 DJs and all for little or no cost. I didn't post it here, only on RUN, but i plan to make a free outdoor rave north of Montreal this summer at my summer house. It is a huge site and there is a camping within walkable distance (about 1 mile). All the DJs i have talked to are all enthusiastic and are willing to do it for free. Also, in the nearer future, i'll be making a rave with the whole kit: a wall of projections, mega sound system, 4 DJs (including me), a band, interactive lights etc... I can have the place anytime i want and is pretty cool with a very high ceiling with "puits de lumieres" (light wells?). Now i just need to find the best date. I can even arrange a crash site for ne-ravers (a lot of ne-ravers) so be prepared! If people have date suggestions, they are welcome. I wuz thinking maybe may 1st (sat) or april 30th. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: 3D sound.. Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Alan Michael Parry: > > I saw a CD comp today entitled "This is the Future" (i think). On the > cover it said that the CD was in 3D surround sound and that you didn't > need any special equipment to achieve the effects. Surround or 3D? there is a confusion of terms of two totally different approaches. For information on 3D audio (the Qsound part is not up to date) you can check a text i made. It is available on archive.epas.utoronto.ca (the archive site of the Gravis Ultrasound digest) in pub/pc/ultrasound/info (i think) either in the FAQ or the file named 3d.txt. Check also the file named surround.txt while there. It is also mirrored on wuarchive.wustl.edu (dont know where exactly). > It even said that it > would work on a regular car stereo. Just wondering..is this possible? and > if so, how does it work? thanks. It can be several types of 3D and none of them work well when you are not midway between the speakers. Also, surround is a totally different thing. Go check the files on epas, and you will find that they are making a bold statement, without any evidence to support it. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:22:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: praise be the jokesters ... (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) On Thu, 15 Apr 1993, Henry M. Hughes wrote: > > I thought the BudRave was hilarious and I feel that others did also, > however ... unfortuneately, in life expect to hear more gripes than > compliments ... :( > > much appreciated for the net - Hank *<:) Well it's like this: Laura and Doug came up with the original prank and Jacob Redfield and me came up with the mock flyer for BudRave as we rolled around on the floor laughing in a computer lab in Jakes dorm. What should have also been on the flyer was: Stoopid Drinks - Dumb Bar by (who else) Bud Wiser. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:36:02 -0400 From: Robert Alexander Whalen Subject: Krusty's ][ Pre-gathering Gathering....... Well, it seems as if my idea of having the pre-rave gathering at my place has caught on! Great, looking forward to finally meeting all of you. I'm posting my address and phone number here on the lists so I don't have to respond to 18 million e-mail requests for them, but if you could e-mail or call me back to let me know that you're coming, and how many people will be with you, I would truly be most greatful! Want to have at least some idea of how many of you are coming.... OK, here they are, with directions for all you non-locals... 1819 Jefferson Park Avenue Apt. 401 Charlottesville (Like I needed to say that!) (804)-295-3957 If you're coming from D.C., follow the directions on getting to Krusty's into Charlottesville(66 to 29 South), but dont turn left at Ivy Road - go straight. You'll go under two bridges (one's just a footbridge), and the road will bear left. Follow it around to where you see signs for 29-business and 64, and bear right there (i.e. the directions the signs are pointing.) This will be Jefferson Park Ave, and I live up a ways on the right, in a big yellow apartment building, #401. If you're coming from the east, south, or west, take 64 to 29 North. Get off at the first exit, which will be 29 Business. This is Jeff Park Ave, so look for 1819 on your left. Well, that should do it. If you have any questions, let me know, and get back to me a.s.a.p if you know you are coming. Oh, also, anything you want to bring to help out would be, once again, most greatly appreciated. Oh, and one last thing. The offer still stands on the post-Krusty's crash space, too, so let me know on that too. Damn, my roommates are just gonna love me for this one!!!!! Until then, this is Soma saying, remember: A Damn is always better than a Gram... Soma Out... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:50:02 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: GRIN / badges hello there... it looks like there's a good amount of knee-ravers going to GRIN (applepie said.. but, where the HOM???) if anyone is going and has ordered a badge.. i can bring it to you! IF YOU LET ME KNOW BY TOMORROW MORNING. i know bonnie is going...(well AP said so)...is there anyone else?? if you want your badge.. let me know. thanks. peace and hugs out >>taylor.808 spirituality through technology (mr. kennedy uses 17 pens) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 21:02:30 -0400 From: "an annoying pigeon" Subject: No Subject Hey...Sorry to take up time with this, but I got unsubscribed because I didn't reply to those messages that said I was on both ne-raves and ne-raves-cal. I don't know what the hell is going on now. I have unsub'ed from the calendar and tried a couple of times to resubscribe to the discusions list and nothing is working. The reason I'm posting here is that I have posted to Owner-ne-raves and gotten no response. *would someone help me out and tell me how I can get back on the list? I'd greatly appreciate it! Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us ********************* "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:16:13 -0400 From: The Perculator Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe. Sorry, but ne-raves-request didn't work. Regresare. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20:40:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: HOOKUP-O-MATIC (NO JOKEZ) ========================================================================== HOOKUP-O-MATIC FOR 4/17 ========================================================================== Here it is folks! this weeks HOM. Due to the large number of events this weekend, people are gonna be here, there, and everywhere unfortunately. YAY! for Krustys though cos they still managed to get a good crowd together.. Have a good time. :) liquid love... - Fluid ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, April 17 Portland, ME. G R I N INFO# (207) 773 6979 DJs| Frankie Bones (Storm), Dmitry (Dee-Lite), Tin Tin (UK), Debo (Bost), Overload (Deep), Dante (Evolution), DJ Eternal (San Diego), 333 Mgee (UK). After hours| Osheen, Tim Ryan, Dave Trance. Neith Preston (ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu) *-neraves badge (has space for other ravers) Taylor808 (tod3253@acfcluster.nyu.edu) (if your going and dont have your badge yet, then mail taylor) + ApplePie, Bonnie and others.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, April 17 Charlottesville, VA KRUSTYS II - ELECTRIC BOOGALOO INFO# (804) 961 0183 DJs| DJ Thirteen (NJ), DeCay (Germany), Terabyte (VA), Todd Krulak (DC), Oaf (VA). Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) Ben Jaffe (bjaffe@ukelele.gcr.com) susie (sk2479a@american.edu) Doug (elroy) (dz5401a@american.edu) Max the fierce ruling diva (??) Robert Whalen (raw7s@darwin.clas.virginia.edu) (Pre-rave gathering + crash space) Scott Borst (borst@server.cs.jhu.edu) (has ride space available) XtoFer (cte9q@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu) (crash space available) Derek Tiffany (tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu) Robert Campanell (robcamp@tmn.com) (Robs doing virtual entertainment) Laura (DJ Thirteen) (laura@usl.com) (laura can provide rides if you can be at the New Carrolton Amtrak station at 6:00pm Saturday) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, April 17 Baltimore, MD E X P A N D INFO# (410) 235 1131 DJs| DJ Sun (Ultraworld), Entity (Ultraworld), Who (Atomic Vibe), LG (SS), Scott Hardkiss (SanFran), Scott Henry (Fever), Jason Jinx (NASA), Wash (Atomic Vibe), Pegas (Atomic Vibe), Trip (MM), Bobble (SS), Mindphuq (MM). Mel-zo-rama (melzie@wam.umd.edu) Fluid (brit@ravel.udel.edu) *both ne-raves badges! Adam the weave (alw@ravel.udel.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, April 17 NYC B O O M ! INFO# (212) 330 8233 DJs| Moby (NYC), Destructo (Rave America), On-E (NASA), Wink (Philly), Mr Kleen (NASA), DB (NASA), Sean CIC (Anarchic), Keoki (Disco), Micro (LI), Tony Fletcher (Communion). After hours| Joeski (NASA), Dmitry (Dee-lite), Soul Slinger (Liquid Sky). + LIVE PERFORMANCES BY 808 State, MBM, and the Supreme Lovegods. Tarek (twe5495@acfcluster.nyu.edu) (crash space available) John Speakman (speakman@biost.mskcc.org) *-neraves badge ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- RIDES DESPERATELY NEEDED!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacob (jxrst1+@pitt.edu) + 2 others TO| Krustys II FROM| Pitt Fluid (brit@ravel.udel.edu) TO| Krustys II FROM| UDel The Hwyman (hwyman@wam.umd.edu) TO| Krustys II FROM| UMD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks again folkz.. F L U I D [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Philly... From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 20:22:00 -0500 -> Subject: Philly... -> -> Hi all, -> Can somebody e-mail me the names of some cool techno clucbs in -> the Philly area! there is a chance I might be going there for couple -> of days. Also, what are the best days to go to where? -> -> Thanks, -> TAREQ I know few clubs that organize raves from time to time but dont know if they play techno during the week [anyways if they do it is probably LA Style and 2 Unlimted type of SHIT] Revival at 22 South 3rd Street [pretty cool rave atmosphere, there is a rave coming up TOMORROW starting at 9pm] Trockadero at 10th and Arch Streets [April 24th: MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO and 808 State will perform live. ] I think once a week they have a techno/house/tribal night OZ at the Spring Garden Plaza, off I-95, 1 block from Delaware Ave [The 23rd COLOUR BOX II is happening. Colour Box I was very successul and now #2 is coming up! cool place, tho kind of childish during the week] Warehouse - lame Aztec - lame Maui - lame Egypt - lame There is lots of other shit clubs not worth mentioning...anyways you should call those place up before coming and ask thm what music they will play that night. Let me know when you're coming! hehe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) Subject: Late HOM (Zodiac II in Philly) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 21:57:57 EDT Sorry for not doing this in the HOM propa' but ive been lax in email reading recently. anyway, i'll be at Zodiac II in Philly [oh gog I hope it goes well and not like previous events!] Look for my neato new PINK ne-raves badge with the microchip on the bottom and the badge with my pic on in from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. I'll probably be with a guy who'll be wearing a big yelloe and black striped hat. Dave-O [and I'm a pisces, so $9 for me!] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 19:03:34 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: VJ How come there's a discussion about VJing, yet I've never seen a list of VJs on any rave flyer. Could it be that ne-raves is once again out blazing the trail of rave culture. Anyway, here's my thoughts about video mixing. Looping animations off the the hard disk only works for 4 sec, at most 10 sec. Anytime longer and one begins to lose interest quickly. Video is a continous medium, and thus it's difficult to do beat mixing and beat sync. For good beat sync it should follow image/black image/black image/black image/black. The image should appear when the beat is hit, and the black (or any solid color) should appear when the beat is released. I have no idea how this can be done. The video should match the music. Computer generated effects on video may "look real cool", but have nothing to do with the music. Techno music is the nucleus of rave culture, and the images created by the VJ should relefect one's feelings and emotions that the music evokes. Good DJs put much thought into their selections of music, and develop a unique mixing style. VJs should should do the same with the images they create, and focus on creating an individual visual style that joins in harmony with the music. Is there anybody interested in putting out a compilation/demo tape of ne-raves VJs. I would like to see VJ mixing at rave. I've seen MindsEye/Akira/SpeedRacer way too many times. It's time for a new evolution of rave culture: THE VJ. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kawakami@noc.usfca.edu (Sea of Sin) Subject: trip- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 19:49:00 -0700 (PDT) I forgot to say thanks to John Crowley!!!! =) Thanks again all. See ya at the end of May/ beginning of June! love, cin [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: COLOUR BOX II From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 22:29:00 -0500 COLOUR BOX II - 23rd of April in Philadelphia, PA Location: The "OZ" Will post more detail [djs/price/etc etc] over the weekend when I get the flyer. Btw Colour Box I was pretty cool for a PHilly rave, around 800 ravers showed up. No kiddies this time! VJ SJAKIE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: GRIN - see you there Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 02:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Well, since everything is going smoothly ( i have a great space - i still cant believe it - for my rave) i have time to go to GRIN. Check for a red CD with stripes. I'll be on the lookout for ne-raves badges. I may or may not be with people from RUN, but i'll be there. I know of other ne-ravers who are going and are not in the H-O-M. As for the number on the GRIN flyer for Montreal, well if you want to hear a depressed DJ, call. He is surprised that his scams are coming back at him. Pfft. On a non GRIN related thing: yesterday i was connected to a macintosh with my brain waves. The device is called IBVA and is pretty cool. You can monitor your state of relaxation with that. Twould be a cool thing for a chill out room. Maybe i could have that... Funny thing is that i experienced the IBVA in the place where i'll be holding my rave. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: GRIN / badges From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 22:23:00 -0500 -> if anyone is going and has ordered a badge.. i can bring it to you! -> IF YOU LET ME KNOW BY TOMORROW MORNING. -> -> i know bonnie is going...(well AP said so)...is there anyone else?? -> if you want your badge.. let me know. -> -> thanks. -> -> peace and hugs out -> -> >>taylor.808 -> -> spirituality through technology -> -> (mr. kennedy uses 17 pens) Where do I sent money to get my badge? or is there some kind of a requirement in order to get them? hello??? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 02:32:51 -0400 From: "an annoying pigeon" Subject: not enough help :( Hey! thanks for the couple o' people that tried to help me get back on the list, but it's more complicated than that. I HAVE been mailing to ne-raves-request, and I HAVE been following all directions that the mailer daemon send to me! Am I screwing up still or am I, like, blackballed from ne-raves?! :( Say it ain't so! Anyway, please help me some more. Oh, and post to my address not to the list. I hope that I didn't need to tell you that! Muchas, muchas gracias... Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us ********************* "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dmn@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (daNg) Subject: addition to the HOM Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 9:27:41 EDT sorry for not getting this to you alan, i've had a hellish week. anyways, if there's anyone going to boom that is passing through philly, i, and possibly a friend or two would like/need a ride up there and back. thanx. daNg. _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ "your body is your temple, _/ _/ _/ _/ let your mind turn the key" _/ _/ _/ _/ -Narnia '92 _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ dmn@eniac.seas.upenn.edu _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 10:46:22 EDT From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: 50th Birthday of LSD 16 April 1943 - 16 April 1993 50 Beautiful Years [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 11:13:36 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: more badge confusion and stuff the following people ordered badges a few weeks ago.. yet, i haven't gotten money from them yet: mikeY jeremey G sorry to 'Pea for the confusion.. i guess that's it. see you at Grin. --->taylor.808.kick.wave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:14 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: last chance for ride to Krusty's from DC Hey you all. I have space for 2 more people to come in my car to Krusty's in Charlottesville, VA, on Saturday. If you can get to the Orange Line Metro Station at New Carrolton, MD, by 6.00 pm on Saturday, then let me know. Time is running out, so call me BEFORE 3.00 today at (908) - 522 - 6396 or tonight after 8.00 pm or tomorrow morning at my parents in Annapolis, MD (I forget the area code, I think it's 410) 280-0342. You won't have to chip in for gas or anything either, since this is covered since I'll be working there (which is why we need to be leaving to get there so early). Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:31:23 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Hello... Hi! I just subscribed to the list (though I haven't gotten any mail yet) recently, and I was wondering if anyone is "reading" me... anyhow, can someone tell me where "Fields of Joy" is going to be held (april 24)? I havent been raving in a couple of months (gasp!), and I am dying to get out. The local techno club (club Babyhead) is getting a little tiring. Also, is anyone on the list from or near Poughkeepsie New York? We may have a mutual friend there... On April 22nd, our fine university is going to have a "Techno night" at the student union ballroom. Admission is $3 or free w/ uri id. If you want more info, I'll post. See you in the future...stay fresh, kids! -JP3 The University of Rhode Island [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: The FAST computer copy is... From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (N. E. Tableman; I want information autonomy!) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 12:24:44 EDT on media.mit.edu pub/ne-raves/incoming RAVE.ARJ Binary - it only works on FAST IBM's I hope to have a new one for slower machines soon, plus a screen grabber for more images. DOCS included [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: VJ From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:07:00 -0500 -> How come there's a discussion about VJing, yet I've never seen a list -> of VJs on any rave flyer. Could it be that ne-raves is once again -> out blazing the trail of rave culture. -> -> Anyway, here's my thoughts about video mixing. -> -> Looping animations off the the hard disk only works for 4 sec, -> at most 10 sec. Anytime longer and one begins to lose interest -> quickly. -> -> Video is a continous medium, and thus it's difficult to do -> beat mixing and beat sync. For good beat sync it should -> follow image/black image/black image/black image/black. The -> image should appear when the beat is hit, and the black (or -> any solid color) should appear when the beat is released. I -> have no idea how this can be done. -> -> The video should match the music. Computer generated effects -> on video may "look real cool", but have nothing to do with the -> music. Techno music is the nucleus of rave culture, and the -> images created by the VJ should relefect one's feelings and -> emotions that the music evokes. -> -> Good DJs put much thought into their selections of music, and -> develop a unique mixing style. VJs should should do the same -> with the images they create, and focus on creating an -> individual visual style that joins in harmony with the music. -> -> Is there anybody interested in putting out a compilation/demo tape of -> ne-raves VJs. I would like to see VJ mixing at rave. I've seen -> MindsEye/Akira/SpeedRacer way too many times. It's time for a new -> evolution of rave culture: THE VJ. You;re right abour clips longer than 10 sec get boring. But you can easily turn a 4 second clip into a 12 second clip that WILL keep people looking... 1) First 4 sec clip can be original clip 2) How about changing the color pallette of the clip? I changed pallette of a black and white clip into a REALLY WEIRD Color one! the outcome looked like the PREDATOR was looking at it with Infrared Sensors! heh 3) Take #2 and color cycle it! yet another cool effect! simply, sounds lame but looks weird! Most of my animations consist of IMAGE/BLACK/IMAGE/BLACK etc. I can control the speed of the animation. So if the beat is slow I can just slow down the animation [frames per second]. I also have some key words [lyrics] from songs made into flashing animations. So if for example; HEY BONEHEAD plays I can just hit one of my keys and HEY BONE HEAD starts flashinbg on the screen. Same goes for FUCK YOU, I AM A FREE MAN, etc etc. I also got few anims where text is completely screwed up, and flashes and interchanges with other text that is is nearly impossible to read. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:41:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: 3D Sound (again) Sorry for the confusion. The CD in question was in 3D sound, not "3D surround sound" as I first stated. So, Is it worth me buying this comp? the track listing was okay if I remember correctly and im very curious to hear what it sounds like. Thanks again. :) _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:50:59 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: attn. badge buyser who are going to grin! :) i'll be wearing purple overalls and some kinda long sleeved shirt. look for me and get your badge. there will be lots of ne-ravers there.. and most of them no me.. so, if you can't find me.. ask someone. bonnie.. i still haven't heard from you if you're going or not.. but, i'll bring your badge anyway.. peaceout. and see you at GRIN. *grin* >>taylor.808 spirituality through technology [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:54 EDT From: ST933352@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subject: Spinning Good DJs put much thought into their selections of music, and -> develop a unique mixing style. Jacub said this in a message about VJing I think most DJ around are so fucking afraid of funcking up That usually they go for the safest mix in the world 8 bars beatmix, then out r even less... DJs don't use their crossfaders a lot But the fact is you have to take some chances to make it sound really good You have to risk fucking up No DJ does that, that's why many of them sound like copies of each other Some DJs wont even DJ when they are afraid of fucking up Like at Massive Dose When Micro, Denard etc etc refused to spin because there was no monitoring What I'm saying is that it's too much business Thing's are too serious Let's have some 64 bars mixes and some fuck ups Just dreaming That's all APPLE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:56:09 EDT From: 'Pea Subject: 808 state set time I had the pleasure of talking to Andy and Darren from 808 State Wednesday night at the Providence show. Actually, I talked to them in their tour bus. How? Mail me if inquiring minds want to know. Anyway, we got around to talking about BOOM. Their manager mentioned that they were scheduled to go on stage at 4:30 AM. Thought you'd like to know. I didn't get to see 808 or Meat Beat play, since I had to go finish writing my thesis, which was due the next day. If you like the Supreme Love Gods, you will like their set, like I did. People I know who did stick around for the whole show told me that it was a really long, boring wait between each group. BOOM should take care of that just nicely. Don't be surprised if you see the boys from 808 hangin' around the turntables between acts. They were pretty psyched about the DJs they heard were spinning. Don't expect them to stick around for the after hours (believe me, they would if they could). They have to catch a flight to Dallas bright & early. 'Pea ce 'n' grease 'Pea [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "J. J. Larrea" Subject: Article on LSD: Increased use and historical timeline Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 16:12:32 -0400 (EDT) This might be interesting to some... the timeline at the end credits renewed hallucinogenic usage to the rave scene, circa 1988. O / \/ /\ ~~~~~~ CUT HERE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ O \ Fifty Years Later, LSD Gains New Popularity in High Schools San Francisco, Calif. (AP) -- On the 50th anniversary of the first use of LSD, a new study says LSD use among high school seniors is at its highest level in seven years, and more teenagers are sniffing glue and other volatile substances. The most widely used drugs among eighth-graders are inhalants -- products such as glue and air fresheners, said Lloyd Johnston, chief researcher for the study by the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research. In addition, the number of eighth-graders using drugs of all types is rising, the study found. "The nation's attention to the subject has slacked off," Johnston told the Associated Press. "Now we may be harvesting the bitter fruit for that change in emphasis." Among seniors, 5.6 percent admitted using LSD in the past year, up from 5.2 percent in 1991. Use of LSD, widely associated with the '60s, had dropped among seniors from 7.2 percent in 1975 -- the first year for the survey -- to 4.4 percent in 1985. "I think the major dynamic problem has been through sort of a general forgetting process," Johnston said. "I'm not sure how many people expected LSD use to make a resurgence." As for inhalants, the study found 9.5 percent of eighth-graders used them in the past year, up from 9 percent in 1991. Politicians, educators and the news media generally do not mention inhalants when they talk about drugs, Johnston said. "I think they really don't have an under standing of the dangers of inhalants yet," he said. About 17,000 seniors in 135 public and private schools nationwide filled out questionnaires in their classrooms for the study, as did about 18,000 eighth-graders in 160 schools and about 15,000 10th-graders in 125 schools. While results for 10th-graders were basically unchanged from last year, the study found some significant increases in the number of eighth-graders admitting to using certain drugs. The study also found a decrease in the number of eighth-graders who disapproved of drug use. Among eighth-graders, the share of those who admitted using marijuana was 7.2 percent, up from 6.2 percent; LSD, 2.1 percent, up from 1.7 percent; cocaine, 1.5 percent, up from 1.1 percent; crack, 0.9 percent, up from 0.7 percent; and other hallucinogens, 1.1 percent, up from 0.7 percent. "That causes a worry that the youngest cohorts maybe aren't learning as much about drugs as their predecessors who grew up in a drug-infested world," Johnston said. ORIGINS OF LSD When chemist Albert Hofmann accidently brushed against one of his own creations 50 years ago Friday, he started a psychedelic journey that has lasted to this day. Hofmann had taken the world's first LSD trip. Hofmann clearly remembers that day as "an uninterrupted stream of fantastic images of extraordinary plasticity ... accompanied by an intense, kaleidoscopelike play of colors." Hofmann created LSD-25 -- lysergic acid diethylamide -- in his Swiss laboratory in 1938 while seeking a blood stimulant. His maiden trip came by accident when a tiny amount seeped into his skin. Since then, LSD's reputation has been as turbulent as some acid trips. Although popular in the underground, the drug earned a bad reputation amid reports of fatalities associated with hallucinations and reports of "flashbacks" -- a recurrence of hallucinations when no new dose of the drug had been taken. The government banned the drug and scientists, for the most part, dropped their research. The drug was popularized by one-time Harvard lecturer Timothy Leary, known as the "high priest of LSD," whose "turn on, tune in, drop out" advice to students in the 1960s glamorized the hallucinogen. Rick Doblin recalls his own first acid trip. As it took effect, he heard an air raid siren and was convinced his life was over. He rushed outside to "live it up" and suddenly realized he had never noticed the world's beautiful colors. "I was in this exhilarated, exalted state," he recalled recently for the Associated Press. "I felt like all of my senses were opening up in a way I wasn't aware of." Doblin, now 39 and founder of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies Inc., or MAPS, is among researchers who advocate medical use of hallucinogens. They will gather this weekend to mark the anniversary. The three-day Psychedelic Summit will feature talks by Leary; Laura Huxley, wife of the late author and LSD experimenter Aldous Huxley; and Paul Krassner, editor of The Realist. It will focus on the use of mind-altering drugs in mental health therapy and substance abuse treatment. And where better to hold the summit than San Francisco, where acid trips fueled the psychedelic '60s and made the city's hippie-crowded Haight-Ashbury district an international symbol of the times. The government refused to approve psychedelic drugs research until recently, when the Food and Drug Administration authorized a study on the effects of using LSD for substance abuse treatment. LSD TIMELINE A chronology of the history of lysergic acid diathylamide, LSD: * 1938: Chemist Albert Hofmann synthesizes LSD-25 at Sandoz Pharmaceutical Laboratories in Basel, Switzerland, in search of creating a blood stimulant. * April 16, 1943: Hofmann accidentally absorbs a minute amount of LSD-25 through the skin on his finger. He reported seeing "an uninterrupted stream of fantastic images of extraordinary plasticity ... accompanied by an intense, kaleidoscopelike play of colors." The experience lasted about three hours. * April 19, 1943: Hofmann deliberately ingests 250 micrograms of LSD-25. He begins writing laboratory notes, but the drug's effects become too great. He rides his bicycle home. Suffering great anxiety, he calls a doctor. The next morning, Hofmann reports his physical and mental health are excellent. * 1947: The first report on mental effects of LSD published by Werner Stoll. * 1952: Charles Savage publishes the first study on the use of LSD to treat depression. * 1953: First LSD clinic opens in England under Ronald Sandison. Separately, unwitting subjects in United States were given LSD in the CIA funded Project MK-Ultra to test the effects of the drug. * 1955: First conference focusing on LSD and mescaline takes place in Atlantic City and Princeton, N.J. * 1960: Harvard University's Timothy Leary establishes the Psychedelic Research Project. * 1963: The first year LSD believed to appear on the streets. Doses were dropped on a sugar cube. Articles about LSD first appear in mainstream media (Life, Look, Saturday Evening Post). Leary is fired from Harvard. * 1966: The government bans LSD. * 1967: First Human Be-In held in San Francisco. Height of the Summer of Love in San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York City and London. * 1976: Blotter acid (LSD placed on a piece of paper) emerges as the primary kind of underground LSD. * 1975: End of the last formal LSD research program. * 1979: Hofmann publishes "LSD: My Problem Child." * 1988: Psychedelic movement re-emerges along with popularity of raves, all-night dance parties featuring synthesized music and use of hallucenogenic drugs. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 16:48:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: HAPPY 50th BIRTHDAY LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE-25 " Last Friday, April 16, 1943, I was forced to interrupt my work in the laboratory in the middle of the afternoon and proceed home, being affected by a remarkable restlessness, combined with a slight dizziness. At home I lay down and sank into a not unpleasant intoxicated-like condition, characterized by an extremely stimulated imagination. In a dreamlike state, with eyes closed, (I found the daylight unpleasantly glaring), I perceived an uninterrupted stream of fantastic images of extraordinary plasticity accompanied by an intense, kaleidoscopic play of colors." - Albert Hoffman _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: upcoming raves...for the r.o.m. Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 17:12:52 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) may 15 providence, ri GREEN house and trance primary (secondary => ) productions 617.232.3104 dj's: armand has been confirmed, others to come...(Dante) shalako notes: this is going to be a smallish event, as plans for yellow are taking a lot of primary's time up. should be beautiful...not at home planet. it's an actual rave production. a secondary production. -------- may 15 nyc VISION shalako notes: anybody know anything else about this? the flyer isn't out yet, i don't think. -------- july 3-4 new england countryside... INDEPENDANCE under the stars brought to you by the Primary Group: BigFunHouse, Mello Mello, 333, MGee, in association with KC & the sunrise gang, and Pandamonium! shalako notes: teasers are on the way... -------- that's it for now, loved ones... peaceout, see you at *grin* , praying to the decibels... shalako "yep...he's still _sic_." it's drop date...mmm [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 18:08 EDT From: ST933352@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subject: GRIN OK The meeting place for NE-Ravers going to GRIN is Saturday at 10PM at Friday's (that's the name of the place) It's on Fore st/Middle st. Grin is also on Fore st. So, it shouldn't be to far APPLEpie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: GRIN From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (N. E. Tableman; I want information autonomy!) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 18:26:50 EDT It's TGI FRIDAY's the restaurant, and it is across from the custom house. the rave site is down the road, about 3 blocks maybe 4. It is an easy walk, but there is no parking near Friday's! There is tons near the warehouses that have held K.C. raves in the past. Nathan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) Subject: B-4 Fields O' Joy Par-t??? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:16:25 -0400 (EDT) So, has anybody planned for a B-4 Fields of Joy Get-together in the Boston area???? Maybe I could be persuaded to hold one, if interest is high enough... -- Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com **AnnoyingBandNameSigAlert!** CrimsOrBandOfSusanSigueSigueSputniKLFionAsiArtOfNoisE.G.DailYello DaisyChainsaWettoNineInchNailSystemSeveNedsAtomicDustbiNewOrder MoodswingSt.EtiennEnigmAdamskInSoConcreteBlondEnOrbital ToriAmoSmithereenSevenSevenSeveNirvana ...Oh, and Fuzzbox..... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 20:26:45 -0401 From: donato@gnu.ai.mit.edu BOO! took a while, but i'm finally back! now i can go thru all that mail everyday. yay! thanks to all who occassionally forward'd me juicy tidbits. see y'all at GRIN, and always remember to dowutchalike! donato [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 21:19 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: I NEED A RIDE TO GRIN!!!! HELP!!! Only one day left and i need a ride to GRIN! I am at Boston College and I have no way to get there...procrastination is an art form of mine=) Is anyone going there from boston..or going thru boston that has room and could pick me up? ....PsychoTropical... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:20:33 -0400 From: cw394@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Janof) Subject: Re: HAPPY 50th BIRTHDAY LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE-25 YeaAlbert! Is anyone taking a 50th anniv. bike ride on the 19th? or on Sunday? A few of us ragers in NYC will be wheelin about on Sun or Mon...care to join? peace,love and tiedye! richard -- HUH? or DUH? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:17:17 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Poughkeepsie new york this is mostly for jacob @ vassar, but anyhow... So, how is poughville doing? Any new drug busts going down lately? I assume you're a frequenter of Vitamin @ Bertie's in Poughkeepsie? If so, you may know my female friend Sarah Britton. She's a promoter (I think that's what she is) for uh, Northeast or Far North or something like that, productions. But she's always at Vitamin. So that's that. More stuff: I'll most likely be going to Fields of Joy, but unfortunately, I cannot make it to Grin! because we're having a New Wave party at my house. So, I hope to meet some of you at Fields of Joy. Until then, Stay fresh, kids. And don't let your wax wings melt. -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 21:39 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: PLEASE FORGIVE ME! I COULDN'T BEAR TO BREAK THE CHAIN!!! =) From: VAX2::JOHNSOSQ "Get Brett Weir, I said." 16-APR-1993 18:19:33.22 To: CLEMENTJ,MILONET,MICHAEL CC: JOHNSOSQ Subj: ****************************************** From: VAX2::SEGRICH "The destiny of small people is always working itself out a few inches above their heads." 16-APR-1993 13:23:46.67 To: @UA,@TSA CC: Subj: her ya go sex fiends From: VAX2::GEEAL 16-APR-1993 11:40:18.46 To: SEGRICH CC: Subj: read this chain From: VAX2::CHINGH 16-APR-1993 11:05:58.39 To: GEEAL CC: Subj: read this chain and pass it on From: IN%"ac@student.umass.edu" 15-APR-1993 21:14:05.94 To: IN%"skiipy@corral.uwyo.edu", IN%"chingh@bcvms.bc.edu" CC: Subj: simply because I have nothing better to do with my time Return-path: Received: from pobox.ucs.umass.edu by bcvms.bc.edu (PMDF #12468) id <01GX1YTIZ7WG8Y54ZL@bcvms.bc.edu>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 21:13 EDT Received: from ucsvax.ucs.umass.edu (tethys.ucs.umass.edu) by POBOX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (PMDF #2573 ) id <01GX1YRY9C8G008JU7@POBOX.UCS.UMASS.EDU>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 21:12:39 -0500 Received: from tethys.ucs.umass.edu by tethys.ucs.umass.edu (PMDF #2573 ) id <01GX1YQ7OE7K8Y5LJ8@tethys.ucs.umass.edu>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 21:11:44 -0500 Date: 15 Apr 1993 21:11:43 -0500 From: ac@student.umass.edu Subject: simply because I have nothing better to do with my time To: skiipy@corral.uwyo.edu, chingh@bcvms.bc.edu Message-id: <01GX1YQ7OE7M8Y5LJ8@tethys.ucs.umass.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"skiipy@corral.uwyo.edu", IN%"chingh@bcvms.bc.edu", PRW, TECARDWE@MOSAIC.UNCC.EDU", in%"SOOHOO@BCVMS.BC.EDU", in%"SCHIN@POLAR.BOWDOIN.EDU", in%"JNG@ECSVAX.ECS.UMASS.EDU", in%"RODRIGUE@ECSVAX.ECS.UMASS.EDU", in%"PISK@ECSVAX.ECS.UMASS.EDU", in%"RACE@ECSVAX.ECS.EDU", in%"CHANDLER@ECSVAX.ECS.UMASS.EDU", in%"CANTY@ECSVAX.ECS.UMASS.EDU", in%"UBINAS@ECSVAX.ECS.UMASS.EDU", in%"CHEE@ECSVAX.ECS.UMASS.EDU Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT MIME-version: 1.0 From: IN%"asoohoo@sas.upenn.edu" 15-APR-1993 16:55:03.79 To: IN%"ac@STUDENT.UMASS.EDU" CC: Subj: Chain letter Return-path: Return-path: asoohoo@sas.upenn.edu Received: from POBOX.UCS.UMASS.EDU by tethys.ucs.umass.edu (PMDF #2573 ) id <01GX1OP7OJ7490NJQB@tethys.ucs.umass.edu>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 16:24:19 -0500 Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by POBOX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (PMDF #2573 ) id <01GX1OOJQLR4009D2D@POBOX.UCS.UMASS.EDU>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 16:23:31 -0500 Received: from noc2.dccs.upenn.edu by POBOX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (PMDF #2573 ) id <01GX1OODHIXS009J35@POBOX.UCS.UMASS.EDU>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 16:23:23 -0500 Received: from MAIL.SAS.UPENN.EDU by noc2.dccs.upenn.edu id AA28876; Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:23:12 -0400 Received: by mail.sas.upenn.edu id AA13646; Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:24:36 EDT Date: 15 Apr 1993 16:24:35 -0400 (EDT) From: asoohoo@sas.upenn.edu (Allen SooHoo) Subject: Chain letter To: ac@STUDENT.UMASS.EDU (Albert Chin) Message-id: <9304152024.AA13646@mail.sas.upenn.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Posted-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:24:35 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11-upenn1.11] Here is the chain letter, it's only a bunch of addresses in the beginning, but there is a message at the end, so keep reading and reading... Manish C Verma wrote: > From vermam@eniac.seas.upenn.edu Wed Apr 14 22:26:09 1993 > Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 22:26:04 EDT > From: vermam@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Manish C Verma) > Posted-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 22:24:30 EDT > Message-Id: <9304150224.AA05277@eniac.seas.upenn.edu> > Subject: if you already got it, sorry man > To: asoohoo@mail.sas.upenn.edu > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 22:24:30 EDT > Cc: wangj@eniac.seas.upenn.edu > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11-upenn1.8] > > Forwarded message: > >From kjwicoff@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Sat Apr 10 16:00:50 1993 > Posted-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 15:52:58 -0400 > Received-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 93 16:00:48 EDT > Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1993 15:52:58 -0400 > From: Kimberly Joy Wicoff > Message-Id: <199304101952.AA15338@phoenix.princeton.edu> > To: Michael.S.F.Lu@Dartmouth.EDU, kamber@leland.stanford.edu, > kruegera@eniac.seas.upenn.edu, pcahn@husc.harvard.edu, > rsepulv@husc.harvard.edu, stokes@husc.harvard.edu, > vermam@eniac.seas.upenn.edu > Subject: just in case you need it > > Hey y'all. I know chain letters suck, but I couldn't riskthe consequences. I > hope it brings you luck, or at least a chuckle when you read it! > > >From gaillard Thu Apr 8 22:37:01 1993 > Received: from ernie.Princeton.EDU by phoenix.princeton.edu (5.65c/1.113/new) > id AA26794; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 22:36:54 -0400 > From: Charles Bradford Gaillard > Received: by ernie.Princeton.EDU (920330.SGI/Simple Client) > id AA27549; Thu, 8 Apr 93 22:36:53 -0400 > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 22:36:53 -0400 > Message-Id: <9304090236.AA27549@ernie.Princeton.EDU> > To: dlg1001@phx.cam.ac.uk, bryancho, erdervis, kdlohrey, riskd@carleton.edu > Subject: Maybe this thing will actually work... > Status: RO > Km--More--m > > Make sure to read all the way throught this letter - it may help you out! > > >From jma@Athena.MIT.EDU Thu Apr 8 22:19:25 1993 > Received: from Athena.MIT.EDU (ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU) by phoenix.princeton.edu > (5.65c/1.113/new) > id AA26433; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 22:19:24 -0400 > Received: from W20-575-107.MIT.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP > id AA04176; Thu, 8 Apr 93 22:19:00 EDT > From: jma@Athena.MIT.EDU > Received: by w20-575-107.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA21390; Thu, 8 Apr 93 22:18:54 > - > 0400 > Message-Id: <9304090218.AA21390@w20-575-107.MIT.EDU> > To: gaillard@phoenix, uy418c@gwuvm.gwu.edu, apchilds@Athena.MIT.EDU, > wigie@Athena.MIT.EDU > Cc: andma@rhodes.bitnet, peter.b.morrill.2@nd.edu, gy127c@gwuvm.gwu.edu > Cc: eleven@casvah.acns.nwu.edu, adele@Athena.MIT.EDU, nebenda@Athena.MIT.EDU, > lisa2@ukc.ac.uk > Subject: I can't believe I'm actually sending this... > Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 22:18:51 EDT > Status: R > Km--More--m > > ------- Forwarded Message > > Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by po7.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA23277; > Tue, > 6 Apr 93 23:46:58 EDT > Received: from husc11.harvard.edu by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP > id AA07521; Tue, 6 Apr 93 23:46:55 EDT > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 23:41:41 -0400 (EDT) > From: Renda Soylemez > Subject: [mdmendoz@midway.uchicago.edu (Michael D. Mendoza): A very long (fwd) > To: Jonathan Rein , > Elisabeth Martin , > paige.d.regenstein@dartmouth.edu, evkatze@emory.edu, > Whitney Heinsma , > david.a.monaco@dartmouth.edu, gt7989b@prism.gatech.edu, > Stephanie Ralph , jma@Athena.MIT.EDU, > Jean Anderson , > Kevin Davis > Message-Id: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Km--More--m > > > > > - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 2:27:03 EDT > From: park3@husc > To: paschke@husc11.harvard.edu > Cc: strong@husc11.harvard.edu, soylemez@husc11.harvard.edu, > bhayes@husc11.harvard.edu, jabernet@husc11.harvard.edu, > horiyama@husc11.harvard.edu, bwestbr@husc11.harvard.edu, > rnewcome@husc11.harvard.edu, bodis@husc11.harvard.edu, > jimmel@husc11.harvard.edu > Subject: [mdmendoz@midway.uchicago.edu (Michael D. Mendoza): A very long (fwd) > > Forwarded message: > >From dwickert@midway.uchicago.edu Wed Mar 31 20:42:35 1993 > Return-Receipt-To: dwickert@midway.uchicago.edu > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 19:40:59 CST > From: delores wickert > To: bcwaller@casbah.nwu.edu, slaters@kcvax3.kenyon.edu, seklich@cc.owu.edu, > bredleu@kcvax3.kenyon.edu, djdanks@phoenix.princton.edu, > pk2e+@andrew.cmu.edu, boncek@ksuvxd.kent.edu, > jpmccorr@midway.uchicago.edu, caron@mhc.mtholyoke.edu, > 72053.2650@compuserve.com, samcgarv@midway.uchicago.edu, > ejw4@lehigh.edu, park3@husc > Subject: [mdmendoz@midway.uchicago.edu (Michael D. Mendoza): A very long > chain letter...yes there is a letter in there somewhere!] > Message-Id: > > > I really hope this works.... > > --------------- > > Received: from [128.135.100.147] (pierce-mac-19.rh.uchicago.edu) by > midway.uchic > ago.edu Wed, 31 Mar 93 12:12:11 CST > Message-Id: <9303311812.AA18585@midway.uchicago.edu> > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1993 12:13:39 -0600 > To: Lippa@Grin1.Bitnet, abshah@midway.uchicago.edu, achen3@lucy.wellesley.edu, > mulgi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu, bcwaller@casbah.acns.nwu.edu, > CHORWATH@ucs.indiana.edu, cedoss@midway.uchicago.edu, > chess@midway.uchicago.edu, dwickert@midway.uchicago.edu, > eomi@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu, hkeum@midway.uchicago.edu, > haheming@midway.uchicago.edu, kkoya@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu, > jhwang@midway.uchicago.edu, jberroya@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu, > KJEVNE@ucs.indiana.edu, lsundara@casbah.acns.nwu.edu, > lbnewman@artsci.wustl.edu, jlbarnet@midway.uchicago.edu, > mhermano@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu, ral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu, > roach@casbah.acns.nwu.edu, ydsong@midway.uchicago.edu, > zlzielin@midway.uchicago.edu > From: mdmendoz@midway.uchicago.edu (Michael D. Mendoza) > Subject: A very long chain letter...yes there is a letter in there somewhere! > > >Received: from quads.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu Wed, 31 Mar 93 > >01:11:12 CST > >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 1:11:11 CST > >From: yuwen chang > >To: fun5, mdmendoz, rhomoles@ucs.indiana.edu, ydsong > >Subject: [Bill Chen : [Taxi Driver > >: [andrew jonathan meyers > >: [chris@garnet.berkeley.edu (Christopher M. > >Chin): It's illegal, but I had to . . .]]]] > >Message-Id: > > > >Received: from quads.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu Tue, 30 Mar 93 > >21:18:21 CST > >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 21:18:20 CST > >From: Bill Chen > >To: la48154@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, tyc40649@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, > slan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, > > u8123020@cc.nctu.edu.tw, e64801218@nckuvx.ncku.edu.tw, > > akb42857@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, noriaki@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, > > jchang@sunlab.cit.cornell.edu, alexh@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, > > jsong@knox.bitnet, egn2, buzy, tkim59, bdpatel, ychang, ppl1, jl18, > > chl2, choi7@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, jcc44902@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu > >Subject: [Taxi Driver : [andrew jonathan meyers > > : [chris@garnet.berkeley.edu > > (Christopher M. Chin): It's illegal, but I had to . . .]]] > >Message-Id: > > > >hi > > Just don't want to break the Chain. > > --------------- > > > >Received: from ellis.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu Tue, 30 Mar 93 > >16:14:33 CST > >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 16:14:29 CST > >From: Taxi Driver > >To: as15, as16, fun5, page, genn, nore, alee, sfp1, kla1, jdb9, tmjones, > > klprince, abk2, youa, hjel, tullfan@cardinal.stanford.edu, > > phidpdes@cardinal.stanford.edu, sakkath@carson.u.washington.edu, che9, > > wwc2 > >Subject: [andrew jonathan meyers : > > [chris@garnet.berkeley.edu (Christopher M. Chin): It's illegal, but I > > had to . . .]] > >Message-Id: > > > > > >Hey > >Hope you get some. > > --------------- > > > >Received: from quads.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu Sun, 21 Mar 93 > >10:41:17 CST > >Date: Sun, 21 Mar 93 10:41:15 CST > >From: andrew jonathan meyers > >To: shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu, gina@seyfert.berkeley.edu, > > greenfig@cgsvax.claremont.edu, khaderm@cgsvax.claremont.edu, > > khursea@cgsvax.claremont.edu, bananas@iastate.edu, fringe@iastate.edu, > > eng2axb@hibbs.vcu.edu, ah21303@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, dtsai, damadapp, > > mjechols, nss3, arriorda, noel@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu, > > christopher=vitale%vm95%cvm@vetmed.cvm.uiuc.edu, > > vanna=secaras%enb%usacerl@aardvark.cecer.army.mil, > > mschwab@eniac.seas.upenn.edu, cr13, ameyers1@hbs.hbs.harvard.edu, > > carrie=argyilan%vm96%cvm@vetmed.cvm.uiuc.edu > >Subject: [chris@garnet.berkeley.edu (Christopher M. Chin): It's illegal, but > > I had to . . .] > >Message-Id: > > > >There are a LOT of forwardings before you get to the letter, but it's worth > >it to trudge through the whole thing. Yes, I am desperate enough for good > >sex to try sending this out. > > --------------- > > > >Received: from garnet.berkeley.edu by midway.uchicago.edu Fri, 19 Mar 93 > >01:06:58 CST > >Received: by garnet.berkeley.edu (5.64/1.33) > > id AA18083; Thu, 18 Mar 93 23:06:54 -0800 > >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 93 23:06:54 -0800 > >From: chris@garnet.berkeley.edu (Christopher M. Chin) > >Message-Id: <9303190706.AA18083@garnet.berkeley.edu> > >To: ajmeyers@midway.uchicago.edu, alva@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > azaec@asuvm.inre.asu.edu, bear@uclink.Berkeley.EDU, > > caesar@syrius.abg.sub.org, cathy@ocf.Berkeley.EDU, > > eriks@ocf.Berkeley.EDU, fred@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU, > > freeman@eecs.Berkeley.EDU, glo@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU, > > hinojosa@water.ca.gov, jhuy@garnet.berkeley.edu, > jku@cory.Berkeley.EDU, > > julies@garnet.berkeley.edu, marcoseb@ocf.Berkeley.EDU, > > moidel@soda.Berkeley.EDU, mrum@firebug.Berkeley.EDU, pratt4@llnl.gov, > > simonk@microsoft.com, westmx!jobrien@uunet.UU.NET > >Subject: It's illegal, but I had to . . . > > > > > >Here's something that I got in the mail today, but just had > >to pass around. Stick with it -- there's alot of junk, but > >it IS pretty funny when you get to the actual letter. > > > >cHrIs =) > > > >--------begin forwarded message -------- > >>From igonzale@haas.berkeley.edu Thu Mar 18 15:15:28 1993 > >Received: from haas.Berkeley.EDU by garnet.berkeley.edu (5.64/1.33) > > id AA13481; Thu, 18 Mar 93 15:15:26 -0800 > >Received: by haas.berkeley.edu (5.65/Haas-1.34) > > id AA28544; Thu, 18 Mar 93 15:09:52 -0800 > >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1993 15:02:41 -0800 (PST) > >From: "Ines (La) Gonzalez" > >Subject: couldn't help myself... > >To: WSSGconsultants@haas.berkeley.edu > >Cc: mitch@garnet.berkeley.edu, lchen@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > dawnj@garnet.berkeley.edu, otute@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > chris@garnet.berkeley.edu, joytan@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > leon@garnet.berkeley.edu, davidk@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > lee@garnet.berkeley.edu, kychan@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > andrewc@garnet.berkeley.edu, bj@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > felipe@garnet.berkeley.edu, keller@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > jin2@garnet.berkeley.edu, daiwai@garnet.berkeley.edu, > > morford7@garnet.berkeley.edu, kbagchi@uclink.Berkeley.Edu, > > britta@soda.Berkeley.Edu, dylan@uclink.Berkeley.Edu > >Message-Id: > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Status: R > > > > > >Sorry, guys, they made me do it.... > > > >Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did... > > > >ines =) > > > >>From salts@haas.berkeley.edu Ukn Mar 15 15:39:34 1993 > >Received: by haas.berkeley.edu (5.65/Haas-1.34) > > id AA03056; Mon, 15 Mar 93 15:39:28 -0800 > >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 15:36:43 -0800 (PST) > >From: Brian Saltsburg > >Subject: Sexy Chain Letter (fwd) > >To: undergrad -- angel chiu , > > angelina parks , > > ari kletzky , > > bob cipolla , > > Mabelle Dann , > > David Flowers , > > David Hindler , > > john doty , > > josh biggins , > > schmidtaur , > > Mark Kelly , > > Norman Modena , > > Jeff Rapaport , rob chen , > > steve roberts , > > Samantha Williams , > > tony chang , hbsa@haas.berkeley.edu, > > Robert Martinez , > > Michael Smith , > > "A.G. Lambert" > >Message-Id: > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Status: RO > >X-Status: > > > >read on the message follows. Break the chain and your in trouble. keep > >it movinng and reap the rewards. > > > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 15:12:12 -0800 (PST) > >From: Daniel Ng > >To: buttheads , > > Charles Bulkeley , > > Angel Chiu , > > Peter DeLeon , > > Ronald Bennet Drabkin , > > erivera1@hbs.harvard.edu, Hilary Feier , > > grimes@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu, hbreit@aigtc.com, jahn@biomed.med.yale.edu, > > johnb@caveat.berkeley.edu, mbaa@haas.berkeley.edu, > > William McCann , omar@vehicle1, > > Brian Saltsburg , > > John Schwab , > > William Hodgson > >Subject: Sexy Chain Letter (fwd) > > > >Thanks Sarah, glad to see you have such a high opinion of me. Coming from > >you, it is doubly insulting. > > > >Read on, true believers. > > > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 14:55:51 -0800 (PST) > >From: Sarah Pynchon > >To: Tammy Zukerman , > > Thomas Lowell , > > Hilary Feier , > > Andrew Colquitt , > > bianchini@haas.berkeley.edu, Kimberly Winter , > > Peter DeLeon , > > Robert Tedesco , sauer@haas.berkeley.edu, > > "Erik I. Gilbert" , > > Jeffrey Johnsen , > > Mary Bundorf , > > Hans-Christian Thuermel , > > Daniel Ng , > > Dai Watanabe , > > David Wilbur , > > Carol Smallwood , > > Susanne Votypka , > > Terry Cormier , > > Toshihisa Inoue > >Subject: Sexy Chain Letter (fwd) > >K--More--m > >They made me do it!!!! I can't risk bad sex. > > > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 11:08:48 -0800 (PST) > >From: Alan Patrick Seater > >To: Jennifer Dionis Lew > >Cc: John Charles Johnston , > > Ronald Bennet Drabkin , > > Sarah Pynchon , > > James Patrick Burke , > > Yasuyo Iga , > > Donald Alexander Martin , > > Robert Lauro Quiros , > > Erin Elizabeth Adams , > > Paul Augustus Dent , > > Kalman George Deutsch , > > Rollan Kim , > > Lauren Siegel Krasny , > > Kristin Kaye Nicholson , > > Frank Rockwood , > > Margaret Ghariani , > > George Alexander Willman , > > Raymond Lin , > > Perry Gershon , > > Bart Sporken > >Subject: Sexy Chain Letter (fwd) > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 12:14:10 -0800 (PST) > >From: Lindy Archambeau > >To: Adina Safer > >Cc: James Roderick Berkeley , > > Phil Cannon , > > Kevin Fleming Delgadillo , > > Tor Fyksen , > > Lars Henrik Harvey , > > Kamran Fouad Husain , > > John Charles Johnston , > > Glenn Kishiyama , > > Lauren Siegel Krasny , > > Larry-Lar Marcus , > > Eliot Scott Minor , > > Kristin Kaye Nicholson , > > Carolyn Vivian Patterson , > > Rod Rasmussen , > > Alan Patrick Seater , > > Cherie Anne Wolfe , > > John Edward Pendleton , > > Aliou Sarr , > > Richard VandenBergh > >Subject: Sexy Chain Letter (fwd) > > > >Here's a brief distraction. Enjoy and good luck!!!!!!! > > > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1993 09:28:44 -0800 (PST) > >From: Matthew Frome > >To: Mark Toole , > > Victor Rago , > > Gregg Abernathy , > > Lindy Archambeau , > > Derek Bennett , > > Klaus Bollmann , > > David Craford , > > Barbara Finney , > > John Foraker , > > Dana Hamilton , > > Gregory Heywood , > > Sean Howley , > > John Klinke , > > Tim Legesse , > > Morris Noble , > > Kathleen Orlin , > > Laurie Poston , > > Stephen Schatz , > > Daphne Shweky , > > Elaine Walters > >Subject: Sexy Chain Letter (fwd) > > > >I think that this letter has made it all the way through our system > >by now. For your sake, I hope you know a lot of second years > >or people outside the school. > > > >Matthew > > > >*************************************************************************** > > > >Sorry guys--but I know we need all the help we can get. Keep reading > >there's a message down there somewhere. > > > >Tad Lacey lacey@haas.berkeley.edu > > > >****************************************************************************** > >From: James Griffin Lacey > >From: lxm (Larry Marrs) > > > >As soon as I read this WHOLE email I immediately had to > >send it 20 people I know..... > > > >My fingers are crossed!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Enjoy & good luck! > > > >Larry > >----- Begin Included Message ----- > > > >The chain letter itself is quite humorous. Even the comments in each > >forward worths a few chuckles. > > > >C.P. > > > >----- Begin Included Message ----- > >From: mwinston@reed.edu (Captain Kool-Aid) > >Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.63.RR) > > dlaro@lonestar.utsa.edu, briand@sheridan.ncd.com, drieux@wetware.com > >Subject: pass it on. 8-) > >Sender: jillm@netcom.com > >To: David Dault , > > Karl Caribou Ulbrich , > > java@mind.org (Billy McWhirter), > > Jerome 'Ego-Matic' Lee , > > Lee Boyd , > > Lucifer , > > gt6159c@prism.gatech.edu (Spooge Douglas), > >Subject: Hey, don't blame me.. > >Status: RO > > > >Hey, guys, don't blame me, I just don't want to break the chain. > > -Bob > > > >>Subject: for all you deprived guys > > gertjan@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Mark Huber), jdlee@husc.harvard.edu > >(Jonathan Newton) > >>Sender: nunez heather renee > >>Reply-To: nunez heather renee > >>Subject: Have fun with this one! :) > >> Zachary Jones , > >> Rachel Barenblat , > >> Lynne Williams , > >> rross2@lucy.wellesley.edu, > >> > >>I had to come up with 20 names to send this to, so enjoy! > >I though you might find this amusing. :) (Mary Elizabeth, Sarah > >told me to send it to you!) By the way, keep pressing > >return or next page. . .there > >really is a message underneath all of this!!! Have fun!! > > > >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>Date: Fri, 26 Feb 93 10:24:21 EST > >>From: Jonathan S Pulling > >>Subject: CHAIN LETTER > > > >>> Subj: Enjoy! Ok, so it's a little disgusting... > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::TVEATCH 23-FEB-1993 13:30:21.66 > >>> To: MWASSOUF, CTWISS, DKSCHROE, VALSMITH > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: A LITTLE TWISTED BUT WHO WOULD DARE TEMPT A BAD SEX LIFE. > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::CKINSLOW 18-FEB-1993 21:02:11.21 > >>> To:LSUDDUTH, STAO, SKHUBER, KTAKACS, MNOVER, KSNORMAN, SCOLSON, > > PLINDHOL,KSSHELLE, TVEATCH, JAGRESS, ABARNHILL, JENNLJON > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: THIS IS GREAT!!! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::BTHENRY 18-FEB-1993 11:53:46.35 > >>> To:RRHUGHES,JTEMPLE,JOLREYNO,CKINSLOW,AHARPE,MLAMSON, > >SLWRIGHT-m > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: sex chain letter > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::LMCLIN "Laurie" 12-FEB-1993 10:12:26.67 > >>> To: ALSPARKS, AEHARRIS, CEFURNO, KEJHALL, SSCROGHA, JAAYORK, > > JVZIMMER,JVISCARD, SMANDERS, DNIEVES, EHARKNES, AMUNNING, > > ARSHELLE, BTHENRY, BMCATEE > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: PLEASE DON'T HAVE ME ARRESTED!! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::JLMATTIN 10-FEB-1993 18:45:55.61 > >>> To: LMCLIN > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: sex > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::SKILLION "Vote FOR America, VOTE PEROT!" > >8-OCT-1992 > >>>11:19:12.67 > >>> To: TLM, JRGRUBER, SNBLESSI, JSNEAL, CJMARTIN, MREDDICK, > >AWALLER, > > CSLANE > >>> CC:K--m > >>> Subj: There is a message after all of this. Keep looking! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::TMITCHEL "goddess of the VAX" 8-OCT-1992 > >10:45:42.67 > >>> To: DDRLICH, JEAJENNI, SLJACKSO, KEGERREI, TFELGER, BLJONES, > >JLMICHEL, > >>>SKILLION > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: Keep pressing return, you'll get there. > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::MALEAL "LATMAN" 6-OCT-1992 19:02:35.76 > >>> To: SDILLING,DHEATH,ARESS,TMITCHEL,RGLOS,JVEREB > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: Enjoy!!!! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::BFYR 6-OCT-1992 18:29:58.33 > >>> To:BACARLSO,CHLADE,BONCIMIN,THARRIS,MKORNAK,RUPPRECH,DSHAFTON, > >DGMCMAHO,MALEAL,KBONDER,CHESSION,SFRISONI > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: no, this isn't a hint!!!!!! :) > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::CJDIXON 6-OCT-1992 14:42:14.09 > >>> To:KSEAH,KWILT,LNEFF,LRUTH,JYI,OKIM,PUGH,ZSONG,VALID,DAY, > >CYU,BFYR > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: GOOD LUCK! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::ABRELAND 1-OCT-1992 12:26:10.01 > >>> To: BASH,LBLACKBU,LLINDENB,KHUFFMAN,CJDIXON,DPEARLM,BBERMAN > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: Enjoy!!! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::ENAGEL 1-OCT-1992 09:23:16.53 > >>> To: THART, ABRELAND, JODELL, SGARD, ADRYER, EOREBAUG, > >DLBECK,JZURBRIG > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: have fun! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::KASSMITH 30-SEP-1992 23:48:41.98 > >>> To: ENAGEL,BZAGEL,RSLANE,MBURGESS,LWEIDNER,EMFINE,DTIBBETT > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: I just felt like harrassing you guys, so here it is!!!! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::DTIBBETT "Darin" 30-SEP-1992 19:04:15.02 > >>> To: KASSMITH,KSTARK,BALEXAND,CSTILLER,TMEYERS,SLANG > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: I haven't read it yet, but thought I better pass it on. > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::JMOLCHAN 30-SEP-1992 18:55:54.91 > >>> To:TMCANARY,JWERY,JSCHULTZ,LHANNIG,KONEAL,JAADAMS,MKSTREET, > >JFAGEL,BDODSWOR,BSTANLEY,JGUMENIC,JRDANIEL,SBSNIDER,JBEDNARS, > >RHASKELL,JVANECKO,DTIBBETT,PKATAI,LFERRIN,MHOROWIT > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: What do you think about this?wht > >>> From: PRISM::AESSREG "Andrew Essreg" 29-SEP-1992 > >19:16:37.05 > >>> To: MSCHWEID > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: hello from your neighbor > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::TGENTRY 29-SEP-1992 13:03:21.30 > >>> To: AESSREG > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: her is a good one > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::OKIM "OJ Kim" 28-SEP-1992 14:55:06.54 > >>> To: AMISRA, LRDIAMON, JESAROGE, MHOUSMAN, AVEIT, JCHINO, NGARFINK, > >CELJONES, JKWELLS, TGENTRY, RLEWALD, JLSHAFE > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: This is for your own good! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::GKAUFMA 27-SEP-1992 23:29:25.48 > >>> To: OKIM > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: ha ha > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::AKKENNED 27-SEP-1992 23:16:28.54 > >>> To: GKAUFMA > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: from Kennedy > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::JRJAMES "King James" 27-SEP-1992 20:26:30.20 > >>> To: AKKENNED > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: Have fun... > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::AGLOCK "Dex" 24-SEP-1992 19:45:27.87 > >>> To: AYAN, JRJAMES, WWERLING, JWKUHN, CBABCOC, ABANG, > >>>PO%"00jrgolding.bsuvc.bsu.edu", PO%"00sjklotz.bsuvc.bsu.edu", > >CELSON > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: Schwing! :) > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::SBOLTE 23-SEP-1992 19:18:43.46 > >>> To: BSTANLEY, JBOURGUI > >>> CC: SBOLTE > >>> Subj: Good luck! > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::BBLEWETT "Lestat" 23-SEP-1992 17:20:35.33 > >>> To: SBOLTE > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: Thought you mightappreciate this! :) > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::SHENSEL "Shannon Alayne" 23-SEP-1992 > >17:06:10.97 > >>> To: BBLEWETT > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: intersting huh? > >>> > >>> From: PRISM::JLFISCHE "J.L. Fischer" 15-SEP-1992 > >22:29:40.83 > >>> To: MSWEET > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: Here's one for you ! > >>> From: PRISM::SKIVOR "Like I Care..." 28-FEB-1992 > >19:04:34.06 > >>> To: DICBROWN, IBRODY, JWEHNER, EYOUNG, JCARDINA > >>> CC: > >>> Subj: HAVE SOME FUN... > >From: PRISM::PALUTTO "Practice Random Kindness > >and Senseless Acts of Beauty" 27-FEB-1992 16:03:04.25 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > WITH SEX ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE > > > > This paper has been sent to you for good luck. > >The original has been worn out from having passed > >through the hands of so many people. It had > >travelled around the world 70 times > >[Dear Reader: please help keep this count current. > >If this letter falls into your hands after just completing > >one more circuit of the world, please add one to the count.] > >The luck has now been sent to you. You will experience great sex > >within four days of receiving this letter, provided you > >send it on! Since the copy must tour the world, you must > >make twenty copies and send them to others. > > > >This is no joke. Send no money. > > > >Send copies to people who need to get laid within 96 hours. > > > >After he passed this letter on, a Montana Spinach Control > >Officer got his penis stuck in a cow-milking machine > >and had the longest series of ograsms of his life. > > > >John Elliot tried to pick up a prositute, but, because he > >broke the chain, was picked up by the police instead. > >When they searched his home, they found magazines of > >little boys which they showed to his neighbours. > > > >In a suburb of Paris, Don Loray's trousers were ripped by an > >unsatisfied erection, 51 days after failing to circulate > >the letter. However, before this happened, a condom machine > >gave him three condoms for the price of one. > >(was this the consolation prize?) > > > >Do note the following: > > > >Hebert Pudstrom received the chain in 1953. > >He asked his secretary to make twenty copies and send > >them out. A few days later he encountered her in a > >red-light district making more than he had > >ever paid her at work. > > > >General George Patton, who sent the letter on, saw > >what he thought was a quarter in the street. > >When he bent down to pick it up, a beautiful woman in a > >miniskirt walked by, and he got a great view. > > > >His aide, Colonel Roger Bumswiver, who did not pass on > >the letter, tried to pick up a similar object but was > >fucked up the ass by a desperate gay when he bent over. > > > >Heywood Daddit, an unemployed chicken choker, received the > >letter and forgot that it had to leave his hands within > >96 hours. His wife then went bowling with his best friend > >and never returned. Later, after finding the letter again, > >he mailed twenty copies. A few days later he got > >a wife and discovered that his old wife, who he thought was > >wonderful, had made love to him like a dead salmon > >for all these years! > > > >Alan Fairchild received the letter and, not believing, > >threw the letter away. Nine days later he spilled hot > >coffee in his crotch. > > > >In 1987 the letter received by a young woman in Texas > >was faded and barely readable, so she did not realize > >that this paragraph applied to her. She promised herself > >she would retype the letter and send it on, but she put it > >aside to do later. She was plagued with problems including > >herpes and other venereal diseases she contracted in her > >futile attempts to find Mr. Right in a singles bar. > >The letter did not leave her hands in 96 hours. She finally > >typed the letter and found a man with a 10-inch penis. > > > > > >You must distribute at least twenty copies within 96 hours > >of receiving this letter. Those who do will find their love > >lives more fulfilling. > > > >Those who do not will be doomed to one-night stands with > >mechanical devices. > > > > > > Enjoy... > > > > > > > > > > ----- End Included Message ----- > > > > > > Hope you enjoyed it, Who knows, maybe it actually works :) > > > > > > > > > > Here's to all you guys out there who need a little luck! > > -- Bing :-) > > > > > > > > > > > >| Bob Socrates McWhirter | Jerry Brown '96 | > >| Internet: mcwhirk0@seraph1.sewanee.edu | Campaign Supporter | > > > > > > > > > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 22:25 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: TO ALL NE-RAVERS..AN APOLOGY! HEY! I would like to apologize for my submitting a chain letter to the list. As I am new to Cyber-Space I am unaware of the rules of ettiquite involved. I humbly ask for your forgivness, and I realize my mistake. I know now that it was not too cool to do that to you ppl. And I don't want to upset anyone. I still want to be a member of this list and friend to you all. If i have upset anyone, please e-mail me ant tell me. Again, I apologize for my error. .... ... Anyway...Thanks Liz for calling this to my attention. =) P.S. Does anyone have space going to grin tomorrow? latah...PsYcHoTrOpIcAl [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 08:31:42 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: GRIN, Fields, and errataaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Does anyone have an extra space to GRIN tonight? If you do my friend ANNA may need a ride. Zip her at socrates@binah.cc.brandeis.edu. Zip her anyway she needs the e-mail :) Ummmmmm I just got to say some other stufffff. Donato--nice to have you back!!!!!!!!! Grin's going to be phunnnnnnnn Leslie might have a pre-Fields in Cambridge--one of those big Victorians near Harvard Square. See yous all there tonight. Pointed thought for the day > Moshing sux, if you can't dance don't fake it < Ren and Stimpy on ACID [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 11:37:17 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: RIDE TO GRIN I am desperately looking for a ride to Grin. If you can provide a ride, please leave a message on my machine at 527-3957. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|-/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner <<>> cutter@cs.umb.edu |hypnodrone-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu \/ 617/527-3957 | fegmaniax-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu Mama told me not to come. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 17 Apr 1993 12:39:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Martin Subject: Meat Beat anyone? Date: 17-Apr-1993 12:34pm EST From: Martin, Linda LMARTIN Dept: Tel No: (201)-408-3692 TO: Remote Addressee ( _in%NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU ) Subject: Meat Beat anyone? I hope this goes through. I've been trying to post for days. Anyway, I am going to MBM and 808 tonite in NYC. I'll look for other ne-ravers so don't be shocked when I introduce myself. I'd give description but I do not know what i will be wearing. or anything. I have no badge. or sticker either. Hope to meet some of you people, though. Linda LMARTIN@DREW.drew.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Kristine Carrol Noel Subject: Whoa...un-Grinny news.. Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 15:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Hi everyone.. I just received some bum news via tele that Dietrich (UT) said that the GRIN people fuct up biiiiig and sold WAAAAAYYY too many tix, way over fire capacity and all that. So apparently what they are gonna do is have it be first-there first-in and when it is filled, everyone else will go to ZOOTS, which they are opening at 9 or somthin now. !??????????? Also.. it was said that if you don't already have tix and are expecting to get them at the door (like us!!) you are pretty much skrewd.... Has anyone else heard this?? Does anyone know that Grin man and could ask him to find out the real scoop? I fear this is not true but if it is... it would save a lot of hassle and dissapointment to know now!! Thankyou!! luv, The Kat in the Hat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:48:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: UK RAVE.. Just read an article in a British magazine about further government crackdowns and it looks like this time they really mean business. The government is embarrased about the size and popularity of these raves, (the last one attracted over 50,000 people), and a number of new laws have been proposed to try and prevent a summer similar to lasr years. These include... - The right to conviscate any and all equipment found. - The right to turn anybody believed to be heading to a rave within a 5-mile radius. - The right to break up convoys of 5 or more vehicles. - The right to arrest anybody who does not leave the scene. Things are really looking serious. Its either delve back underground or the end. I'll try keep you all informed. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: things that make you go hmmmmm.. From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 19:23:42 EDT I think it's very possible. I don't have the connections to make it happen, but maybe some people on the list do. It's a pretty small sacrifice for some of these huge promoters to front their equipment for a day and for some DJs to provide their services. I wonder how hard it would be to get a permit... If anyone goes have the connections, throw out a line and see if anyone nibbles... Michael | "I've begun to wonder if we wouldn't (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | also regard spelunkers as desperate | criminals if AT&T owned all the ...trance form...trance send... | caves." --John Perry Barlow [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 17:05:13 -0700 Subject: VRAVE at Come/Unity 2-night I didn't post this until I was sure about it. VRave WILL be set up at Come/ Unity tonight, the big benefit in San Francisco for Malachy, which should have at least 5,000 people and will perhaps be THE RAVE of 1993 so far. I wasn't sure Vrave was gonna be there until I got the word that they had indeed installed a second phone line, especially for us :) Unfortunately, port 7282 is phuked, so use port 7283. so, to get there, type telnet sfraves.stanford.edu 7283 and you're in. See everyone tonight! Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:09:55 -0400 From: "the armchair raver" Subject: frown :( How come is seems like every time I call off a road trip to a rave something happens to the rave that makes me say, "Damn, I'm glad I didn't go?" First it was the one in Boston last weekend and now I get word that maybe Grin's all messed up too?! Hopefully this is just a rumor...Otherwise the grin-factor will be a tad lower, I would venture to guess... Good luck... Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us ********************* "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:48:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: UK RAVE.. Just read an article in a British magazine about further government crackdowns and it looks like this time they really mean business. The government is embarrased about the size and popularity of these raves, (the last one attracted over 50,000 people), and a number of new laws have been proposed to try and prevent a summer similar to lasr years. These include... - The right to conviscate any and all equipment found. - The right to turn anybody believed to be heading to a rave within a 5-mile radius. - The right to break up convoys of 5 or more vehicles. - The right to arrest anybody who does not leave the scene. Things are really looking serious. Its either delve back underground or the end. I'll try keep you all informed. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Rishad J. Quazi Subject: NE-ravers on Long Island Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 22:43:00 EDT Hello all, Just out of curiosity, how many ne-ravers out there are on Long Island? Might be a good idea for us to get a mailling list so we can share rides and what-not. Peace, Rishad. -- ________________________________ | | | Rishad J. Quazi |## | SUNY at Stony Brook |## | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|## | RQUAZI@CSSERV1.IC.SUNYSB.EDU |## | RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET |## |________________________________|## ################################## [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:57:20 -0700 From: diva@uclink.berkeley.edu (AT+T Poster Girl) Subject: VRAVE TONIGHT!!!! Log into vrave tonight and talk to us all out here in SF as we rave at come/unity!!! always, leah [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 13:31:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Baltimore Expands (or cops 'n ravers) All I can say is WOW. Quick summary..best I've been to in a while..this is what it is all about. I really can't believe it all happened like it did yet.. +3.2 :) read on.. Okay..heres the story. Made our way to a new warehouse space in Baltimore. It was obvious from the beginning that this was by no means the usual safe, legal, Baltimore space that we were used to. The warehouse was still being used and at least half of it was still full. The lighting was good..6 goldscans suspended from the ceiling and the usual strobes, disco ball etc. We arrived around 1am just in time to hear a great breakcore set from Jason Jinx and then quickly met up with other ne-raverz Evan, Digital Druid, + Melzie - Its a shame more of you weren't there to enjoy it with us. After jinx came Scott Henry and then finally I got to hear Scott Hardkiss around 4:00am. Fantastic - I recognized alot of the stuff he played from the Vision tapes and it was incredibly uplifting. However, about 1 hour into his set we find out that the police are outside and we had been busted. This might have been the end for some but this was only the beginning. Baltimore really came to life for the first time last night. Before we left, we were told to all meet at a Toys R Us down the street and an after party would be set up. Quickly, a convoy of literally hundreds of cars headed to Toys R Us and for obvious reasons, the cops found it just as easy to follow us and busted us there too. It didn't end there. The convoy then moved and somehow managed to lose the trail of police cars by making a large loop around the city and then we quickly descended on a quiet deserted area overlooking the water. It was so beautiful how things came together. Before we knew it a generator was running, turntables were unloaded, and a group of maybe 100 people were dancing and smiling on a point of land overlooking the bridge and bay area. Ecstasy. I've never felt anything like I did did then - It was so beautiful to see everyone working together to make this happen. No police. No attitude. Just us and the rising sun. My respect for the baltimore crew has grown a squillion times over the last few hours. =) *bliss* Hoping that this is a sign of things to come.. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 14:33:17 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: NE-Ravers on Long Island --------------- Just out of curiosity, how many ne-ravers out there are on Long Island? Might be a good idea for us to get a mailling list so we can share rides and what-not. -------------- I think you just need to use Fluid's Hook-o-matic. Too, you can plan your raves a couple weeks in advance--yeah right--and use the HOM to hunt rides. I think splitting the list into micro-regional lists may reduce the interesting articles on this list as traffic moves to the splintered lists. Sometimes I get frustrated reading ALL the reviews about raves I didn't get to attend, but I really appreciate the critical reviews on dj's, promoters, and artists. I would be worried that a lot of good articles wouldn't make it to this list in the event that people would unsubscribe to this list due to potential multiple messages from being on the micro-list and the ne-raves list. What are other people's thoughts? Brendan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: GRIN From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (N. E. Tableman; I want information autonomy!) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 16:06:19 EDT What is there to say! IT all started waiting in line to get it, the doors did not open till almost 11, because of fire inspection. The lights were cool, especially the green laser in the air w/ all the bouncing mirrors, and the thingy that projected all the pictures behind he DJ, that was really keen. I did not run in to any of y'all, but then again I wans't trying too hard! I just chilled out to the muZik and danced up near the DJ. I dont wan to get into a long description of what else happened, it wasjust rav e stuff, weirdly dressed people, etc.... But it was the best we have had in Maine so far! 2 points thought 1- do y'all thing that this rave was to forward centered, I mean everone facing the dj, and the lights, would it not be better to have many places to attract your attention????? 2- Next time I do wna to meet some of y'all! oh a third point - do those busses bring you home? The TECHNO Fish - I ain't no gangsta! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Whoa...un-Grinny news.. From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (N. E. Tableman; I want information autonomy!) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 16:21:59 EDT In deffense it had nothing to do with the promter, it was the fire dept,l they reassessed the warehouse only to a 300 !!! person!!! Capacity!!!! But, with a little persuation and money the thing was fixed. Besides, how hard can it be to buy tickets in advance????? The TECHNO fish - I ain't no gangsta' [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 16:31:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: Re: PLEASE FORGIVE ME! I COULDN'T BEAR TO BREAK THE CHAIN!!! =) This is the second i recieved today, I DON'T appreciate it! If anyone posts like this again I think John should bump them from the list - this is a total waste of space and time for everyone on ne-raves. oh well guess my dick will fall off now. Fran [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: RAVE From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 13:44:00 -0500 What kind of permitts are needed to organize a rave in a city? I know some kind of insurance is needed but what kind? If I have my own warehouse which permits I dont need? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Kristine Carrol Noel Subject: GRIIIIINing Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 21:12:14 -0400 (EDT) WOW... after being a bit worried about the capacity/tix situation, Donato, Becca, Mary, Sara and I decided to give it a go anyhow. We figgured we'd get there real early and hope, and if not, we'd get some sorta micro-rave together. :) When we got there at 11, (not real early:) there was a huuuge line to get in and a fire truck at the door. We were freezing and decided to just go ask a fire marshall what was up, and he said there were no problems at all and they were free to pack as many people in as they could!!! *WOH!* So we waited and *finally* got in, and it was blissssssssssssssssssssssss. But I must add, my favorite part, though *ALL OF IT* was very good, was SUPER DJ DIMITRI!!! WOW....spinning Prince, M.L.King, all of it...WOW. And I had heard from so many people he was horrible!! I have never been taken higher.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does anyone have any mix tapes of his? Does he even have any??? It was really cool to meet some new NE ravers to! F. Dion, a girl named Mary-(?), and a few others whos names I recall even less of!! :) Please forgive me. And seeing John, Taylor, Neith, Jeannie, Mr.SpAhkUl :) and everyone else really made it even more special!!! Thanks to everyone who came and added to the vibe. Luv to you all!! See you soon I hope, Luv, Kat in the Hat CCC|;) PS... if anyone knows the girl I held during her seizure in front of the left speakers up in front, I would like to know how she is and what happened. Thanks a lot. And PLEEEEZE rave safely!!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: RAVE From: phaedra@mindvox.phantom.com (jane weaver) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 21:21:23 EDT greets, jakub. Every city has different ordinances about what permits you need and what kind of security must be provided, but if a promoter is thinking about throwing an event, I'd suggest the first group to contact is the fire dept. They are the all-mighty when it comes to shutting down a rave. I know this because I was researching an article for the Village Voice about the busted Revelation rave in Brooklyn in December. That was the same problem with fire exits, proper sprinkler systems and the NY Social Club Task Force flexed its mighty muscle and shut the thing down. I talked with the NYC police dept as well as the fire marshall in charge of the Task force. In most cases, the police cannot get involved unless there is a complaint lodged or suspected morals violations (seriously! this usually means drugs).... Anyway, $100 million dollars worth of insurance won't protect you if there aren't enough fire exits. Of course, then there are nebulous ordiances like cabaret laws, which mean anything where there's food or drink being sold along with a live performance. In NY that includes DJs...oh it's all so fascinating. But, at least in NY, if the fire dept approves a location then I'd say you're okay. Unless, of course, some too happy ravers make too much noise outside and wake up the neighborhood. But if promoters made sure the lines flowed smoothly and quickly, then the outside noises would decline. But responsible promoters....well that's another book... jane p.s. my first post to the list! hey all! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 18 Apr 1993 22:44:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TGROMAK@delphi.com Subject: GRIN from Ear to Ear Greetings, NE-Ravers! I've been reading the list for a while, not posting, but GRIN was such a good time I figured I'd boot my usual lurker syndrome. I'm glad I got to see a few people from NE-Raves, with so many there (I wonder how many it got up to?) it was tough just keeping track of the people I came with. GRIN was about everything this novice-raver (only my third) could ask for....the music was excellent, even in the chill out room, and the lighting and lasers were absolutely mind-blowing stuff. I still like John's Argon better, tho. His seemed to do more stuff at Dune, but the projected laser (white laser?) images were really melted. Totally. Toaster-iffic! The crowd ranged further than I thought it would, from some really rude people to some of the nicest people I've ever met at a rave. Everyone that I bumped into or that bumped into me I gave a blo-pop to, which completely freaked some people out ("Like, what did you do to it?"), but seemed to make other people's night. I think I must have tried to paw one off on Taylor eight or nine times...maybe I was getting too obsessed near the end. Oh, well. I hope to meet more of y'all soon... Peace, happiness, and a blo-pop for every man, woman, and raver! --TOm *-Phat but Phrendly-* [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 22:53:10 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: GRIN (ing from ear to ear) here goes...of course, after 39 hours of being awake: GRIN was one of the best raves ive been to in a while...we got there at 11 or 10:30 or something.. and with the help of our united techno buddies, pretty much slipped through the door with no problems...i was a little worried at first becuase the front room was the chillout room.. and i thought it was the main and only, room... but, quickly my fear of a rave filled with hip hop and laibach were doused.. and i headed into laser heaven... immediately i was pasted in front of the speakers.. mind already blown from someone's amazing trance set...my body was tingling before i even put my bags down. it was great seeing familiar ne-faces: becca, kris, shannon, neith, donato, krieg...ahhh..applepie...i gave a few badges to new faces: jeannie:)..bonnie.. took orders from another new face: mary.. and finally saw that red and white striped cd of francois'! ne-ravers in effect indeed. the vibe was THERE all night. i thought the crowd was great...very very friendly... the music was nearly perfect all night long...great trance...great p-house..breakbeat.. only one or two djs allowed me to sit down... oh yeah... john and joe were there too. :) watching me worship with my '303' sign... ;) ahhh.. heaven. oh yeah.. tom gromak (a new ne) was there too.. with jason 'bpmf'...and of course the whole united techno gang. yes... one girl had a seizure of some sort right where we were all dancing.. it was very very scarey.. and, obviously, crashed my vibe for the next hour or so...she had completely stopped moving on the ground and...looked..well..not good. she was taken out to an ambulance...that's the last i saw. that shit scares me..and really shook all of us up.. ..onto brighter topiks: dante's set was amazing...at the end...he even slipped in a cabaret voltaire tune.. :))))) and.. i think it was mr. bones who played "inner light" by Phantasia!!!!!!!! i was flipping out! but, not too much so to notice two girls pointing at me and laughing...i think i probably looked dumb. :) oh well.. i babble. the rave was amazing... i give it a +3 +4 for space no scratch that... i can't break it down... just a darn good +3 on thge EdScale. sorry for those who missed it... and.. i was trying to find hank to give him his badge....were you there? thanks krieg for the ride home. miss you all. see you at essence. *sigh* xo >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:26:06 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Good start to the warm weather...! Well,I'm just recovering from COME-UNITY,which was by all accounts absolutly incredible..in some ways the best rave Ive ever been to.It all goes to show what can happen when promoters cooperate. This event was like an exaple of what the raver community can do when we work together..which hasn't happened since the -early- ToonTowns (and the beginning of when the rave scene started to get popular here in SF.) It's such a shame that it would take something as terrible as Malachy's accident to bring us all together again..Lets hope that we can bring together similar cooperations in the future.. High point of the evening.. the huge meditation experience at 3:00 am when THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of ravers lifted their heartsand minds in meditation to lift a prayer for Mal's recovery and healing.. WOW!! .... Rich... For anyone who's reading this.who wasn't there..it was incredible.. They showed videos of Buddhist monks and the Dalai Lama.. and the whole auditorium chanted OM.. Thousands of people's energy lifted in such a strong prayer.. Incredible! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 00:59:35 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Summer Hook-O-Matric >OK all, I've been thinking that mebbe a Summer HOM thing would be a good >idea for people who aren't gonna have net access over the summer/etc...alot >of people have seconded the notion...I have < 1 month of school left so >now would probably be a good time to start on this...I propose sending >out the full list on May 1...let me know if this is a problem... > >oh...HOM=Hook-O-Matic=FF List=Friendly Folks List=MWraving=Meet While Raving >- there, that's what it's called on several of the lists...I'll tend to > just say HOM... OK, well...there seems to be a pretty good response to this...so...start mailing me the info (unless some people wanna volunteer to help compile it... mebbe one person per list)...baically, I'll suggest the following format... but go ahead and say whatever (if you don't wanna give yer address, DON'T... same with phone #, etc...) but try to keep it to 5 lines maximum... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richmond, Va. All Summer Derek Tiffany - tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu - will have access to e-mail all sumr 804-281-1903 - call any time, and I should be checking my e-mail daily UFA Box # 3195 - Will be going to plenty of DC/VA raves... 28 Westhampton Way - mebbe a couple in the NE...have plenty of University of Richmond, Va. 23173 - space to crash/whatever... No one - raver@richmond.doesn't.happen - etc... 999-888-7777 - so on... this is obviously a fake, there aren;t any ravers in Richmond... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Washington DC May to June Joe Raver - etc@you.get.the.point - I'm graduating and they're taking my account 111-222-3333 - call between 3-4 AM only my mom doesn't let me go out or have visitors...but if you knock her out... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- etc...you get the point...just remember...5 lines MAX...don't wanna edit a novel... later days and sunny rays, -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | Join the SERAVES list! University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain dErEk if you prefer... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:01:04 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Summer HOM addendum Don't think I made this clear...send replies to... tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu tiffanyde@urvax.bitnet later days and sunny rays, -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | Join the SERAVES list! University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain dErEk if you prefer... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:11 EDT From: ST933352@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subject: GRINnnnN AN APPLE DROOLING OVER HIS KEYBOARD AFTER A MAINE-WEEKEND: About Grin: Super DJ Dimitri was not good at all in my opinion. His mixes was sometimes tota lly Weird You could hear it especially easy in his mix of Hardfloor and KING's speech Hardfloor went in and out like a drunk hurricane. He did spin some good tracks, though WHen Bones mixed in a sample of ABC's: HOw to be a zillionaire, my head fell off But I must admit it was pretty heavy already For 3 hours I was just standing at one spot But my head was all over the place Sorry, Dion, that you had to meet me like that :) After the girl with the seizure I had a hard time having fun But I heard she was OK Regained her consciousness in the ambulance outside Overload's breakbeat set is the best set with this kind of music I have heard in the US so far ( Maybe only rivaled by On-E's set at Blue Dale Charles was good too He seemed kindof uninspired at the end, though But then agin, all the DJ's here look uninspired at some point Bones mixed 4 records after each other by just waiting for the records to go out Maybe he gets paid for beatmixes And the Maine-guys only paid him 5 mill.... That's exactly one beatmix... Maybe two, if he's in a good mood That he spun Inner Light is a +, though Takes guts, I think to spin something that old Shouldn't be that way, of course The promoters are some of the most serious I have seen here. They actually made an effort to make a good rave And not just rip people off Two lasers Really good JBL sound system The solution w/ two small speakers in the back was good Gave the sound a better feeling Especially in the back The lights were spread all around It was one big dancefloor The decor was bad, though. You don't seem to have much of a decor-kick here in t the US. It gives more vibe and feeling to a party than you think I think...:) BTW: If anybody wants to go to Pittsburgh W/ me and Sparkle next weekend (24th) they are welcome to join us in Sparlke's car. Shared expenses:) It will be a sisisisi and very URBO experience Cleveland Saturday Metropol Sunday That's all Feel like sleeping now Wake me up on Friday :) APPLEPIE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 01:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Re: RAVE On Sun, 18 Apr 1993, jane weaver wrote: > But responsible promoters....well that's another book... > > > jane > > p.s. my first post to the list! hey all. Very good information that you posted. Here in PA you are more likely to have a rave busted because of the Liquor Control Board than the Fire Marshal. Just goes to show you that laws varies from state to state, locality to locality. Anyway, welcome aboard. Joe (187- Mobile Live Techno Vibes) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:26:06 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Good start to the warm weather...! Well,I'm just recovering from COME-UNITY,which was by all accounts absolutly incredible..in some ways the best rave Ive ever been to.It all goes to show what can happen when promoters cooperate. This event was like an exaple of what the raver community can do when we work together..which hasn't happened since the -early- ToonTowns (and the beginning of when the rave scene started to get popular here in SF.) It's such a shame that it would take something as terrible as Malachy's accident to bring us all together again..Lets hope that we can bring together similar cooperations in the future.. High point of the evening.. the huge meditation experience at 3:00 am when THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of ravers lifted their heartsand minds in meditation to lift a prayer for Mal's recovery and healing.. WOW!! .... Rich... For anyone who's reading this.who wasn't there..it was incredible.. They showed videos of Buddhist monks and the Dalai Lama.. and the whole auditorium chanted OM.. Thousands of people's energy lifted in such a strong prayer.. Incredible! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 22:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Krusty's II {Review} I'll try to keep this short...especially since all us central Va. ravers will probably have something to say...in a nutshell I had a blast despite a few...er...problems... Anyway, on the ride there, my girlfriend of almost 1 year and I finalized our seperation (wow, that sounds clinical) which was kinda a vibe killer... but we got to Alex's apt. for a cool pre-event...good toons and lots of sugar...Kudos/Thanks to Alex/Tod for all they did... First, there was a little confusion at the door about the whole badge bit...did the UMd crew settle things with Duncan? I (and I'm sure Duncan) REEEALLLLY appreciate everyone coming from up North and I would hate fer you all to feel skrewed... Got to the Splathouse at about 11:00 just in time to hear laura...weee... I was in the MOOD for hardcore...went out and danced my...uh...patookie off and submerged into the rave...forgetting all else...ahhhh..bliss...(oh, laura...I have a few more remarks on your DJing...if you don't hear from me soon...remind me...) The site is really neat (although a bit grungy)...all kinds of rooms...two main dance areas...etc. etc. etc...lights/sound/etc. were all good...all no surprise...similar to the last Krusty's... Hmmm, then found my way into the "chill" room...that place was SWELTERING by nights end...no ventalation...I liked the last place it was better...oh, and I was saddened by the lack of vids...I prefer lots o' vids/computer stuff to the standard lights (which were in FUULL power...very impressive)...oh, and the animation in the chill room was almost impossible to watch w/o blocking it...which kinda sucked...still, the chill room was great w/ all the net ravers hanging there...Paul (and laura) were both spinning some great ambience! Rob's VR...mmmm...I didn't play with it much at Sunsine...made up for it at Krusty's! And we finally got vrave running and linked to Come/Unity. weee...etc etc....won't go into the play by play...but another sad note...I lost my room-mate's cool hat...guess it was my night to loose things :( mmm, also lost my thumb-nail...been groing my right-hand finger-nails long for guitar...I was dancing so hard I kicked my thumb during laura's set... Oh and one other thing....it seemed pretty smalll...the people were incredibly cool and I loved the size...lotsa room etc...but I'm really worried about the $$$$ situation...I wish I coulda gotten more Richmond people over... Thanks to EVERYONE who came from the North..the UMd crew...the AU crew... inuman...oh and especially to susie fer the flyers...scott...laibach...etc... I know I've forgotten people... Thanks to everyone who gave me hugs/understanding about the whole Lori thing... Thanks to laura for the hardcore that washed my mind... And everyone else...Paul for the glow/ambience...Alex for the pre...Xtofer for the bubbles...my two late night dancing partners for some partial energy recovery...and everyone everyone everyone who came...oh...what happened to Tad and Julie??? Oh...do the UMd people who met Amy know her last name/phone #...she expressed definate interest in a pre-Ultraworld thing...if you don't, I can get them... oh and she is soon to have an e-mail account... later days and sunny rays, -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | Join the SERAVES list! University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain dErEk if you prefer... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 08:07:06 -0400 From: cx164@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew Hupert) Subject: 50 years of fun Today april 19 we celebarate 50 years of fun and inner exploration its the anniversary of albert hofmanns famous bike TRIP home from sandoz, and event which kicked of the modern consciousness revolution, and is still rippling through the noosphere as we speak so get on a bike (or not) get a dose and celebrate have fun be safe fly freely peace love and trippy shit matthew -- cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind planet spins..... and your ass ....so do I will follow booom mahadev [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 08:07:06 -0400 From: cx164@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew Hupert) Subject: 50 years of fun Today april 19 we celebarate 50 years of fun and inner exploration its the anniversary of albert hofmanns famous bike TRIP home from sandoz, and event which kicked of the modern consciousness revolution, and is still rippling through the noosphere as we speak so get on a bike (or not) get a dose and celebrate have fun be safe fly freely peace love and trippy shit matthew -- cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind planet spins..... and your ass ....so do I will follow booom mahadev [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 11:49:44 -0400 From: Duncan Charles Haberly Subject: Re: Krusty's II {Review} Well Folks...I Give Up!!!!!!!!!!! I am out of the rave production business for a while. I tossed a grand down the toilet each of the last 2 weekends. I have spent my last pennies trying to bring techno to Central Virginia. Unfortunately, the University of Virginia is among the most conservative in the United States and over 50 percent of the student population is involved in the greek system. Even on a weekend with no major events planned, I could not get more than maybe 300 UVA students. The frat system has got this place sown up tighter than a drum. Apparently standing around in a drunken stupor listening to bad acoustic covers of the dead is just to etertaining to drag oneself 1000 yards down the street to hear something a little different. Anyway, all net ravers made it almost bearable! Laura was right on! Many folks wanted to know who you were yesterday, all thought you ripped it up! Rob Campanell is perhaps the overall coolest person I have met through the net (sorry everyone else, you came in a close second)! He and I got to make a frenzied tour of Sears, Radio Shack, and Best in search of a video cable for his 2D VR setup. He has such an enlightened perspective on things...I can't wait to see/hear the VJ'ing he is working on! Well, back to raving for a while... Duncan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: GRINnnnN Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 09:51:30 -0600 (MDT) > WHen Bones mixed in a sample of ABC's: HOw to be a zillionaire, my head fell off > But I must admit it was pretty heavy already Listen to Orbital's "Omen". [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Green Bay Wi From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (N. E. Tableman; I want information autonomy!) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 11:52:28 EDT I am going to be in Green Bay Wi this summer. Do any of you knwo of a list for that area (near chicago) or of the existance of any raveoid culture out that way?????? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: GRIIIIINing Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 11:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Kristine Carrol Noel: > > WOW... after being a bit worried about the capacity/tix situation, Donato, If the fire dept had said 300 people at first, well, they were totally out of it... Three doors (maybe four), lots of windows, ground level, about 10Ksq.ft in the main room... > :) When we got there at 11, (not real early:) there was a huuuge line to get in > and a fire truck at the door. We were freezing and decided to just go ask a > fire marshall what was up, and he said there were no problems at all and they > were free to pack as many people in as they could!!! *WOH!* Got there at 2:30 and of course there was nobody waiting at the door 8) > But I must add, my favorite part, though *ALL OF IT* was very good, was > SUPER DJ DIMITRI!!! WOW....spinning Prince, M.L.King, all of it...WOW. I would say he played before i got there i think. Anyway, i didn't check who was playing at any time, (well there were some microphone reminders at some points) so i wouldn't be biased. I noticed that beat matching was not a big priority for some DJs, and also, i think they all failed to build up the interest. What i mean is that they just played one song after another without really reading the crowd (typical club dj format...). > It was really cool to meet some new NE ravers to! F. Dion, a girl named > Mary-(?), and a few others whos names I recall even less of!! :) Please forgive > me. And seeing John, Taylor, Neith, Jeannie, Mr.SpAhkUl :) and everyone else > really made it even more special!!! Thanks to everyone who came and added to > the vibe. Luv to you all!! It was nice meeting you too (all others dont worry i didn't forget. I have some other posts to do 8) ). I actually saw you and your kat in the hat hat, but i didn't know it was this kind of hat that was called like that. If it refers to something in the US, i must say it didn't ring any bells for me. So anyway, as i said i saw your hat several times until taylor came to me and presented himself and told me most other ne-ravers were near the speakers. I went there and couldn't find the pink and green badges (which are now white) until i saw somebody with one: it was Neith, who introduced me to all other ne-ravers. > PS... if anyone knows the girl I held during her seizure in front of the left > speakers up in front, I would like to know how she is and what happened. > Thanks a lot. And PLEEEEZE rave safely!!!! Yes, it was a real vibe killer... Hope she's alright... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 11:56:42 -0400 From: Robert Alexander Whalen Subject: Krusty's ][... Hmmm....Not to many posts yet about Krusty's....Time to add my thought, I guess.... Thanks to everyone who came to the pre-gathering at my place...It was wonderful finally getting to meet everyone :) Big thanks to Laura and Christopher for bringing the goodieeeees..... After getting heavily wired on caffine and animal crackers, headed out around 11:00 just in time to catch Laura doin the hawdkore thing....Wonderful! Seemed like some of the non-raving UVa types were a bit confused though - too many just stood and watched...Their loss, I guess. For me, theres nothin better than a little 'core to get me movin early in the night... Don't really wanna repeat whats already been said, but the lighting in the main room was intense! Definitely made the room seem about ten times biiger than it was...I even remember getting lost in it a couple of timez :)!!!!! the lighting in the second room was cool, but hard to get a vibe goin because it was too empty at times...Didn't bother me so much at the end of the night when we got to the trancy stuuf though, I tend to circulate more then (If youve seen me at a Vitamin C, you know what I mean!) The chill room was great too, although maybe a little small...Derek's right, you couldnt watch the vids w/o getting in their way-kinda a bummer... The hilite of the night for me had to be meeting everyone, though... This was the first rave where i've been to where I got to meet net-people, and it was an amazing thing...Changes the whole meaning of the phraze "unity of the vibe" for me! A thousand thousand thanx go out to Christopher for making sure I got to meet everyone there!!! By the end of the night (5am or so...), those who wanted to crash and those who wanted to keep it goin' all converged on my place once again, which made for an interestin situation, until we decided to head out for Duncn Do-nuts around 7, leaving those too worn to go on to battle for the limited floor and couch space...Duncan D'Nuts was a blast, and "that Cheeseburger song" had to be the ultimate in post-rave part muzik!! Never did figure out what a Dunkin Chunk was, though.... This is getting long, so I'll wrap it up with one final thought. Thanks to everyone who crashed at my place for being so cool...The sheets were even _FOLDED_ before you left...WOW!!! You went a long way in proving to my idiot roommates that everything I've tried to tell them about the scene is true...Once again, thanks one and all for a wunderful time, and I hope to see you all again soon, maybe even at Ultraworld... Until then , this is Soma saying, remember: A Damn is Always Better Than a Gram... This is Soma... I'm Out... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: RAVE Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 12:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of jane weaver: > > greets, jakub. Every city has different ordinances about what permits you > need and what kind of security must be provided, but if a promoter is > thinking about throwing an event, I'd suggest the first group to contact > is the fire dept. It's a city by city basis. In Montreal you will need some stuff, Pittsburg some other, Boston something else etc... > In most cases, the police cannot get involved unless > there is a complaint lodged or suspected morals violations (seriously! > this usually means drugs).... In oppressive Montreal, the cops are the first to show up. They are there for alcool... they cant understand why somebody would throw a party without alcool ... This last friday there was a small rave (200 people) and the cops showed up. Lights came on, system stopped. The cops checked for beer, and since there was not any, they let the party go back on. The funny part: they stayed for some time and tried a mind machine (goggles with leds)... They asked the promoters if they could come back later at the end of their patrol... 8) > Unless, of course, some too happy ravers make too much noise > outside and wake up the neighborhood. But if promoters made sure the > lines flowed smoothly and quickly, then the outside noises would decline. Also, semi basements are good for keeping outside noises low... Or find a warehouse where there is not a single house in a 1 mile radius... Re: your first post well welcome (but you are probably not new to ne-raves...) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: GRIN from Ear to Ear Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 12:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of TGROMAK@delphi.com: > > I'm glad I got to see a few people from NE-Raves, with so many > there (I wonder how many it got up to?) it was tough just > keeping track of the people I came with. How where you dressed? I met so many people, i'm not sure if i met you... > GRIN was about everything this novice-raver (only my third) > could ask for....the music was excellent, even in the chill out > room, and the lighting and lasers were absolutely mind-blowing > stuff. I still like John's Argon better, tho. His seemed to do > more stuff at Dune, but the projected laser (white laser?) > images were really melted. Totally. Toaster-iffic! I like lasers... Here you only get to see them in a few clubs, one beeing L'Esprit (on De La Montagne, in Montreal). They have probably the biggest lighting system around... bigger than Metropolis...Anyway, back to the rave: the sound quality was good (not overdriven) but not flat... My ears are still complaining... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: GRIN (ing from ear to ear) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 12:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of r a d i o s p h e r e: > > slipped through the door with no problems...i was a little worried at first > becuase the front room was the chillout room.. and i thought it was the main > and only, room... but, quickly my fear of a rave filled with hip hop and laibach > were doused.. 8) 8) a 100 bpm rave ... > the vibe was THERE all night. i thought the crowd was great...very very > friendly... the music was nearly perfect all night long...great trance...great > p-house..breakbeat.. only one or two djs allowed me to sit down... Yeah, i was impressed by the vibe! Most club crowd were probably gone anyway when i got there... > oh yeah.. tom gromak (a new ne) was there too.. with jason 'bpmf'...and of > course the whole united techno gang. What is the united techno gang? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 12:42:20 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Grin (late...oops) Grin was wonderful!!! Everyone was great! I got to see sooooo many ne-ravers :) and i met so many new ones! and i got to see the whole Connecticutt group! and all kinds of warm people i have met everywhere! It was perfect! One thing i noticed (and dragged PJ and Kurt etc to see) was this absolutely amazing view from the ramp by the bathroom...We went to go get our water bottle filled and waited on the ramp...looking back in at what we were missing in t main room...(we were in the chillout but could still hear traces of the main room's music withh tintin) But, it turned out that we didn't want to leave that spot due to its pure beauty...the doorway, held up by two gigantic smiles and framed by the wavy/swirly multi colored lights of the chillout room(which also adorned the corners of the room at wonderland) was blissful...you could see straight to th dj table where tintin was surrounded by a halo of everchanging light and lasers shooting out to fill the room...the smoke rising, the laser screen show whippin beautiful full color images and patterns out behind him..with neverendind variety.....the faint touch of the music at our ears... well that exemplifies my "GRIN"! I wish you'd all have seen it! oh....... the music of course varied throughout the night...and frankie bones used NO mike during his set!!!!!!!!!! A wail of cheers were heard from ?somewhere? ;) Then silly taylor gave me a backrub that relaxed me too much and i took of an hour to sleep...then got going again for the end with Dante :) just as we were all leaving for the FREE after hours, Shannon came running by with Hawaiian Punches...saying he found them...so we went back to scout for more....the refreshmant people left 3 cases worth of soda and water! I carried them out and we all brought them into the afterhours...some people tried to pay me for them when i was walking around handing them out! then, mike and Cindy, I handed out the remaining cookies that you made...everyone loved them and i r -ieved requests for more, but i was all out :( :) then noone wanted my wheat thins but Emily and John...:) all the more for me ;)...basically, many of us spent the time at the afterhours regaining our strength...but when i did get back up and go downstairs...Frankie Bones was spinning and he was horrible I and many others immediately left the room :( but upstairs was no better.. then i gathered up my carload and left...i had been beginning to appreciate Frankie Bones w/o his mike...and then... i don't know...he just bombed :( it was well worth the trip all in all :) Love and Frogs!!! from the newly discovered... Spring Water Goddess :) Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:57 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Krusty's Redux Derek: PLEASE re-post this to se-raves, as I don't recall the address. Hey everyone. I don't really have a lot to say about Krusty's -- it's just so hard for me to talk about a rave like a participant when I've been working at it. It's a total shame Duncan didn't get his desired sized crowd and ended up losing money, because he really did his best to organize a nifty event. The location was great: warehousey and grungy, yet with REAL bathrooms, good lighting effects without overdoing it and developing the "we've got umpteen intellabeams" syndrome, a well-stocked smart bar, and a cosy chill room (that sometimes got going a bit fast, but we were all having fun). The added attractions of Rob's Virtual Reality set-up and vrave made for fun without going overboard into the land of cutsey. If this event hadn't been in Charlottesville, it probably would have done a lot better. I spent the night after my hardcore blitz in the chill room because I couldn't deal with the fog and humidity in the main room. The chill master was without a doubt Paul, who has the most incredible trance CD collection I've ever seen. He alternated between two turntables and a "normal" cd player, and kept a warm atmospheric feeling flowing. He was so cheerful, and sold glow-sticks when he didn't have to attend to his mixes. I really got to play with Rob's VR set-up this time -- I especially like the part where you "touch" the disco ball and your image starts leaving multi-colored trails all over the screen. Gee kids, remind you of anything? I noticed that a number of non-net ravers also got on vrave -- this was cool that people were giving it a try. Unfortunately, the Mac got really tired and started crashing a lot, so we had to give up around 3.30 or so. Maybe the fan had just sucked too much ambient warehouse grunge into its innards. I hope it will be okay . . . . It was good to meet all the net-ravers who came from Richmond, Univ. of MD, DC/AU, and Charlottesville. I have to laugh a little about Susie and Derek, though: Derek says "I don't like hardcore" yet he was bouncing around like his butt was on springs during it; Susie (Ms "oh I miss San Francisco style house and acid jazz") says "oh, there's this Orb remix that I really like" -- it's Influid's "Mastermind", Susie -- 168 bpm of slamming 909's and acid noises. What's with you people? Is it politically incorrect to admit that MAYBE, just MAYBE you *like* hardcore :-) :-) ;-) I know how you feel, though, because I used to be the same way. Thanks for coming, everyone -- next time, get there earlier!! :-) Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 19 Apr 93 12:57:00 EST From: "John Speakman" Subject: boom w/808state Hiya! Brief report, Roseland was rammed with folk - when we got there a bit after 12, Supreme Love Gods had been on (don't know what they sounded like but I think they're sort of indie?) and there were two slightly dodgy sets on (upstairs tony fletcher trying to do trance and downstairs someone doing hip hop). Plus $3 pop and lots of beer boys. So not a good start but the music got better, some ace trance stuff downstairs when MBM were on (didn't like them at all - very sort of industrial and declamatory like 9 inch nails). Hoping someone here can fill me in on what order the DJs were on, esp. who was the last guy on the main floor up to 6 o'clock - he was ace. 808 State put on a phenomenal show, I thought, Moby was there for the encore of course and then played a set straight after as the beer boys cleared out and there was a bit of room to move for the last hour and a half or so. There was an after hours downtown but we didn't go - should have with the benefit of hindsight as not ready for bed yet. Not very informative, am I, but we had a nice time (didn't see any ne-ravers tho'). (Note for Mancunians - better than the G-MEX set about 18 months ago - I think I saw Paul Morley sitting all E'd up on the floor downstairs nodding his head to the music). John. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Grin - the expedition... 8) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 13:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Ok, i have answered some stuff (still about 100 to answer...) so i'll post how it went for me. First, Portland is farther than i tought... about the same time than to get to Boston... To get there it took me less than 5 hours but coming back took me more. Saturday was my father's anniversary so i could not leave before 10pm. Got to Portland thru Vermont, New-Hampshire and Maine, basically because i wanted to take secondary roads since i figured at midnight nobody would be on these roads. I was almost right. Nobody most of the time so i could go at a good speed 8) until near Rochester, N.H where i got clocked by a smokey... Oops... But he was cool (and at this point i wasn't going very fast) so he just said that the speed limit was in mph, not in kph (which anyway is slower) and after checking some info on his terminal, he gave me my papers back. Finally got to Portland and after figuring out where the place was, got in at around 2:30. I couldn't find any ne-ravers (i remembered that most of the times you are all near the speakers, but i checked the right side ones). I was also looking for Jay and Martha (ne-ravers i have met already). There was also the unb crew which i didn't see. At some point i found some people from Montreal and danced with them for a while, then i went to the booth where Camper said the guy knew ne-ravers (including Camper and Shannon), but he said he hadn't seen any of you for 2 hours... Went looking back, found more Montreal ravers (i'd say about 40 people i know in total). Finally at some point Taylor found me and told me to got near the speakers that everybody was there. Got there and finally found a badge. Neith. She intoduced me to all ne-ravers (you know who you are, but just to show i didn't forget: Kris, Applepie, Tina, Bonnie, Mr. Sparkle, Jeannie, John and the others which will promptly remind me their names. Also, my ears were shot from 5 hours of buzzing high speed road noizes and loud music so i had a hard time hearing... My ears are still buzzing and it's monday...). Thanks Neith, or should i say Love and Frogs 8). The fact that i got to meet everybody made this rave pretty cool, and the vibe was surprisingly good (considering the size!). The music had ups and downs but i got there a bit late so i probably missed the best... Also, am i the only one who had a hard time identifying songs? Even some songs i knew i didn't have these versions... But of course, since i have a lot of stuff on CD, my selections are different. Anyways, it was worth checking out and was fairly different from the Montreal raves (more like our warehouse parties). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: RAVE From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 10:47:00 -0500 -> greets, jakub. Every city has different ordinances about what permits -> you need and what kind of security must be provided, but if a -> promoter is thinking about throwing an event, I'd suggest the first -> group to contact is the fire dept. They are the all-mighty when it -> comes to shutting down a rave. I know this because I was researching -> an article for the Village Voice about the busted Revelation rave in -> Brooklyn in December. That was the same problem with fire exits, -> proper sprinkler systems and the NY Social Club Task Force flexed its -> mighty muscle and shut the thing down. I talked with the NYC police -> dept as well as the fire marshall in charge of the Task force. In -> most cases, the police cannot get involved unless there is a -> complaint lodged or suspected morals violations (seriously! this -> usually means drugs).... -> -> Anyway, $100 million dollars worth of insurance won't protect you if -> there aren't enough fire exits. -> Of course, then there are nebulous ordiances like cabaret laws, which -> mean anything where there's food or drink being sold along with a -> live performance. In NY that includes DJs...oh it's all so -> fascinating. But, at least in NY, if the fire dept approves a -> location then I'd say you're okay. Unless, of course, some too happy -> ravers make too much noise outside and wake up the neighborhood. But -> if promoters made sure the lines flowed smoothly and quickly, then -> the outside noises would decline. But responsible promoters....well -> that's another book... -> -> jane Thanks for the info! really appreciate it! Well I will be looking into organizing a rave here in Philly. Still have to figure out how much of capital I need at first to get started... IF someone has been involved in organizing a rave I would appreciate some tips [especially in term of what equipment to use], and how to make a cool ass rave.... THANK YOU! JAKE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 14:10:35 EDT From: Thomas C Noe Subject: Equipment Hey everybody! I'm making an offer to all my friends at ne-raves that you can pass along as long as the distributors don't find out. I am offering all kinds of sound equipment especiallly pro dj equipment at whole sale cost. In order to become a licenced dealer I need to order $25,000 worth of merchandice, in order to make that quota I will sell at cost new and with warranties. Just e-mail you wish lists to me and I send you back a quote. By the way if I give you a price you like you will have to come to Long Island to pick it up No C.O.D's I don't need a mail order expense. I can't get 1200's because grey market(foreign bought) prices are lower than whole sale cost your better off getting the grey market version without the warranty tnoe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 14:12:42 -0400 From: epeirce@acs.bu.edu (Erin Peirce) Subject: Re: GRIIIIINing with regard to the girl who collapsed onto the floor at GRIN...she's alright now from what i hear from a friend. i've witnessed the eyes roll back in the head, pass out with a clunk on the pavement, tensed muscles and complete unawareness of surroundings from people who took too many e's before. It's truly scary to watch and often makes people question how wise it is to swallow those pills (even once). But some friends of mine took care of her for a while until medics came. (i know all this second-hand as i forced my lonely self to close myself up in isolation and write papers due this week) Also, dj dmitry's set may have been awesome...but he used a DAT...only occasionally mixing in a third song. hope you're not disappionted. -erin epeirce@acs.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 11:14:17 PDT From: Bob Ramstad Subject: C2 tapes are in! *********************************************************** *********************************************************** ** Connection II ** ** 6 hours of music on 4 Dolby HX pro cobalt cassettes ** ** DJs: Moonpup, Jon Drukman, Lee, BLURrrr and others ** ** mastered direct from mixer to DAT at 48 khz ** ** $25 per set mail order ($29 non-US) ** ** includes minimum $5 per set for Malachy ** ** send well-wrapped cash (preferred) or money order to ** ** Bob Ramstad ** ** P.O. Box 390931 ** ** Mountain View CA 94039-0931 ** ** and include a LEGIBLE return address ** ** tapes will be shipped within 24 hours ** ** for other arrangements send email to ** ** boccibob%groovy@us.oracle.com (preferred) or ** ** rramstad@us.oracle.com ** ** DATs also available ** *********************************************************** *********************************************************** The C2 tapes are in, and I'm very pleased with how they turned out. Apologies for the bandwidth, this will be my last post on this subject... those of you who pre-ordered, I'll be sending your tapes out tomorrow morning. Enjoy! Bob Ramstad, Pleasure Seeker boccibob%groovy@us.oracle.com (preferred) or rramstad@us.oracle.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Krusty's From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 14:26:22 EDT After a two and a half hour drive (thanks Ben!!!), the DC delegation of me, Susie, Doug, Max, and Ben all arrived at Krusty's. It looked so weird from the outside! It was nestled inbetween a car dealership and a bank or something like that. It looked anything but warehousey from the outside. The inside was very neat with all sorts of different rooms and tunnels. The hay-filled room was neat. Too bad no one used it. We got there JUST as Laura's set ended (damn!) and ran into her on her way out of the hardcore room. It was good seeing all you um/ne/dc/se ravers again, and meeting the ones I hadn't met before! The main room was nice and spacious with cool lights and generally-good hardcore (there was one DJ who couldn't beatmatch to save his life and even deigned to play prodigy). I was definitely getting into the groove most of the time. The smart drink I had was very good and definitely refreshed me around 3. The chill-out room was definitely the highlite, though. Cool trance music, plus Rob's VR setup, plus the projection screen TV, plus vrave! Wow! It was really cool watching non-net-ravers use vrave, too. Overall it was a very cool rave, and would have been jam-packed about 100 miles to the north. Sorry you lost so much money, Duncan! At least you tried, right? Thanks for letting all us tired souls crash at your house, Alex! I think I got the best deal, getting half of a couch! :-) Breakfast afterwards was fun, too... See all you nuts in some other dank warehouse (or maybe the Omni-Shoreham! :-) ). Michael | "I've begun to wonder if we wouldn't (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | also regard spelunkers as desperate | criminals if AT&T owned all the ...trance form...trance send... | caves." --John Perry Barlow [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:26:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Subject: NEBULA 4..... ....To Doug and NE-ravers...... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ NEBULA 4 Presented by Up North Productions in Association with Satellite Productions...... 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Tickets are 8$ in Advance 10$ at the door....... see you all there... -ToNy_ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "J. J. Larrea" Subject: Re: Passing out Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 17:29:24 -0400 (EDT) > with regard to the girl who collapsed onto the floor at GRIN...she's > alright now from what i hear from a friend. i've witnessed the eyes roll > back in the head, pass out with a clunk on the pavement, tensed muscles > and complete unawareness of surroundings from people who took too > many e's before. It's truly scary to watch and often makes people question > how wise it is to swallow those pills (even once). I've twice been to clubs (years past) where one of the friends I was with completely and spontaneously fainted, just as you described, except that *no* substances were involved. I always thought it was a combination of too many people packed together, too hot, no air (from the smoke), not enough fluids, and (since both were female) possibly combined with some hormonal imbalance. Fainting often happens in dense crowd situations, and it's really scary to watch, since the person just *drops* like that, often hitting their head really loudly. Of course I wasn't at Grin, this may have been a true siezure, and I may be speaking out of my ass as to what really happened... certainly I'm glad she's ok, though! - JJ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 17:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: Passing out On Mon, 19 Apr 1993, J. J. Larrea wrote: > I always thought it was a combination of too many people packed together, > too hot, no air (from the smoke), not enough fluids You can never get enough fluid :) _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: FOR THE ROM: MARS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday May 15th M A R S Washington and Baltimore host a gathering of the east coast families on Mars. A neutral point 141 million miles away from the territorial disputes and political traumas of earth PROVIDING THE SOUNDS OF OUR PLANET| Keoki (Limelight) Frankie Bones (Storm) Josh Wink (philly) Dante (Evolution) Debo (Boston) Scott Henry (Fever) Lieven (MusicN) IN THE ATOMIC VIBE DEPRESSURIZATION CHAMBER| DJ Who, Tom T, DJ Sun, Ryde, Wash, and Pegas. AMUSEMENT CENTRAL| 15 watt full colour laser Insane projections on 20ft screen 100,000 watts Bass NeuroEnergy smartbar 70,000 sqft warehouse Anti-Gravity Moon Bounce + WORLD GALACTIC PREMIERE SF/X SHOW - MEDIA METAPHYSICS & MACHINE IN 3D HOLOCAUSTIC SOUND. 100% legal - all permits secured. $15 _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:22:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: DC GETS HARDCORE| MONGREL Saturday May 15th M O N G R E L DANCE FLOOR DESTRUCTION BY| Adam X (Brooklyn) Lenny Dee (industrial Stength) Jimmy Crash (Brooklyn) T-Shred (LA) DJ 749 (DC) M&M (back from the future) Double 07 (DC) James Christian (LI) Mindphuq (Baltimore) Jason Jinx (NASA) + LIVE performance by ODYSSEY featuring MC No Shame 40,000 watts of viscious bass intellabeam illumination smartbar/mind machines _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: vrave From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 18:35:04 EDT could someone please give me the vrave address and port, thanks! revar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 19:05:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: vrave On Mon, 19 Apr 1993, chuck fletcher wrote: > could someone please give me the vrave address and port, thanks! glad to...telnet sfraves.stanford.edu 7283 --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: RAVE From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 16:48:00 -0500 -> Hey! I dunno what's involved but I know who you can -> talk to about rave organization in Philly. -> -> I still get newsletters from the defunct Dead by Dawn -> guys. They expressed interest in helping out anyone -> who wanted to try to organize an event. (Advice on -> permits and the like) I'll get you their number if -> you wish. -> -> uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) Yea I know, I keep in touch with Under once in a while. HE just did the flyer for COLOUR BOX II at the OZ. It should be a cool rave, why dont you come and bring your friends! I'll be doing graphics there btw...I will post the DJ list on WEd when I get the flyers. Btw Dead by Dawn is not defunct, they have done more than anyone to support the Rave scene in Philly. Shame there are some asshole [mentioned in the last newsletter] who cannot stand someone succeeding in organizing a rave. Everyone; REMEMBER! RAVES ARE NOT ABOUT RACE, SKIN COLOR, OR NATIONALITY! WE ARE ALL -ONE-. VJ SJAKIE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 19:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "It\\'s Time for the PERCOLATOR!!" Subject: High Voltage - Pittsburgh (date changed) Ok, the date for high voltage has been changed so here is the flyer with the CORRECT date. Please change the date on the Rave-O-matic Thanks. Joe [][][][][][[]<><><<><>><187-Mobile.Live.Techno.Vibes><<><><<><>][][][][][][][] TurboZen Presents High Voltage!!! Saturday, May 1 9pm-6am Neural Transmission Event * Megawatts of Ace, Bass, Vibe disruption devices, * Auto-syncronizing visual effects for the mind, * Intellectual, liquds to keep you going all night, * Super Crazy Circus Apocalypse Side-show, and * A driving force line-up of totally schizmatic DJ's : Soji-Fu Jeff E _______________________________ | Special Live Performance | Dr. Suess Side 2 | Super Cool 187 | | | Finger +FX Simon |-----------------------------| Deadly Buda JediMindtrip Terry Kicks Vic Money Bringing you the best of Hardcore, Breakbeat, Trance and Tribal music from all over this funky planet!!!! Free with ticket from Tranceformer (all Tranceformer tickets) (must be turned in by Apr.7) Ticket Information available at: 412.621.7759 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 20:40 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: VRAVE? What is it? Hi, Could someone please tell me what this Vrave thing is? Is it part of internet? ................PsYcHoTrOpIcAl [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:08:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: FOR THE ROM: MARS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday May 15th M A R S Washington and Baltimore host a gathering of the east coast families on Mars. A neutral point 141 million miles away from the territorial disputes and political traumas of earth PROVIDING THE SOUNDS OF OUR PLANET| Keoki (Limelight) Frankie Bones (Storm) Josh Wink (philly) Dante (Evolution) Debo (Boston) Scott Henry (Fever) Lieven (MusicN) IN THE ATOMIC VIBE DEPRESSURIZATION CHAMBER| DJ Who, Tom T, DJ Sun, Ryde, Wash, and Pegas. AMUSEMENT CENTRAL| 15 watt full colour laser Insane projections on 20ft screen 100,000 watts Bass NeuroEnergy smartbar 70,000 sqft warehouse Anti-Gravity Moon Bounce + WORLD GALACTIC PREMIERE SF/X SHOW - MEDIA METAPHYSICS & MACHINE IN 3D HOLOCAUSTIC SOUND. 100% legal - all permits secured. $15 _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 18:22:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: DC GETS HARDCORE| MONGREL Saturday May 15th M O N G R E L DANCE FLOOR DESTRUCTION BY| Adam X (Brooklyn) Lenny Dee (industrial Stength) Jimmy Crash (Brooklyn) T-Shred (LA) DJ 749 (DC) M&M (back from the future) Double 07 (DC) James Christian (LI) Mindphuq (Baltimore) Jason Jinx (NASA) + LIVE performance by ODYSSEY featuring MC No Shame 40,000 watts of viscious bass intellabeam illumination smartbar/mind machines _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: ALTERED STATES Subject: Brainwave tuners/Virtual Reality set ups Have all you guys seen those light goggles at raves where you sit down and supposedly become ultra-relaxed after wearing goggles for a few minutes? Do they really work? How much do people usually charge for useing them and does anyone know where to get them? I was also wondering if anyone can tell me anything about virtual reality macines set up at raves- I've never seen this, myself, but i'm very interested in other people's opinions on them [do they really make the rave incredible or does it cost more than its worth?] any input will be appreciated Tarek [happiness is a warm blanket] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 19:05:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: vrave On Mon, 19 Apr 1993, chuck fletcher wrote: > could someone please give me the vrave address and port, thanks! glad to...telnet sfraves.stanford.edu 7283 --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: vrave From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 18:35:04 EDT could someone please give me the vrave address and port, thanks! revar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 23:02:55 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Krusty's II - Dancing to a Diferent Rhythm Hey everyone, Krusty's II was a good time, and a rather different experience for me. Don't exactly want to repeat what everyone has said before but...i'll talk about the dancing ;) Drove down with Ben, Michael, Max and Raving Buddie Susie K. The bad news was we arrived right when Laura's set ended which was bad. The set-up was nice and the place looked cool. The sound was a little bouncy in the main room because there were not a lot of people there. Krusty's 1 had about twice as many. Christopher said one reason was because there were other activities (frat/sort formals) and some did not come. But although the crowd was not big it was nice and friendly. The funniest thing was the amount of times i was asked for "dose". There was nothing to be found around anywhere, which didn't bother me. The main dance floor was cool, but i really liked the chill-out room. Paul spun some sick stuff, and also Laura took some turns in there. Some people complained about that people danced in front of the screen which projected videos, and computer animation videos, but i thought it was an excellent effect seing the outlines of people dancing against the screen. A whole bunch of people bouncing around and all you seeing were their outlines. dope. I had fun trying to do all these hand motions to see the outcome on the screen. It reminded me of this remix-video version of "Don't Be Cruel" by Bobby Brown. :) Rob C's virtual environment thing was fun also. Esp. the tracks and hiding myself so that only my Coca-Cola cap showed. The people were very cool. One time i was out on the dance floor and this person didn't look to well so i went over to see if he was o.k. And later-on while i was dancing this guy came up to make sure i was o.k. because it was hot in there. :) Especially cool was seeing Laibach boogieing withthe PHAT hip-hop foot movement. Way cool. Trade off and a shake. At the end of the night right before 5 there were not a lot of people left and they were going to shut down, so i asked Paul if i could spin a few tunes. He said sure and let me use his CD's. He had an amazing collection, and I took the few CD's i recognized and went from like this trance song into a hardcore track into ambience. :I oh well i kind of did really bad, but ya gotta start somewhere :) The after-hours chill-out was very cool, as was the drive back with susie and laura. Cool to see everyone, the se-raves possee, UMD possee, Derek, Rob, Laura, Christopher, and everyone else. Didn't dance as much as i usually do but it was very a cool time. To bad C'ville won't have to many of these events cause they were fun... Oh well, maybe it just wasn't ready. Peace for the south-east doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 00:36:48 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (De-Luxe) Subject: Re: PLEASE FORGIVE ME! I COULDN'T BEAR TO BREAK THE CHAIN!!! =) FL> This is the second i recieved today, I DON'T appreciate it! FL> FL> If anyone posts like this again I think John should bump them from the FL> list - this is a total waste of space and time for everyone on FL> ne-raves. FL> FL> oh well guess my dick will fall off now. FL> FL> Fran My bumping anyone off the list won't do any good; anyone can post to the list from anywhere. it's not moderated. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Jeanne Finks" Subject: aGRIN and aGRIN Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 1:11:29 EDT About the gal who fell unconscious- Apparently she suffered a drug-induced seizure after taking 4 hits of X (yep, four), which were given to her by her boyfriend who happened to be dealing. As she was being whisked away to the hospital, Grin's promoter, Chris, asked the boyfriend to hand over to him all of his illegal substances- to eliminate any blame and thus, placing full responsibility on Chris should it come up in questioning by the police. She eventually gained consciousness in the hospital and after the doctors told the police that she overdosed, they asked her where she got it from; she replied that it was some random person when she walked in. I don't think she was charged with anything, but no one else was arrested. {this info. was relayed to me by someone acquainted with the boyfriend} On a happier note, it was great meeting several new faces from NE-raves at last-spARKle, taylor, Francois, Shannon, camper.... and of course, seeing the WPI posse, Mary and Sara. Summer is nearly around the corner, and I can't wait for all these rays of sunshine to envelop me to no end; "i'd like that!"- Martha Dumptruck :D jeannie ~={:> ****************************************************************************** jfinks@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu "my mask of sanity was a victim of mb 355 Brandeis u. impending slippage." Waltham, MA 02254-9110 B.E. -AMERICAN PSYCHO ****************************************************************************** [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 02:35 EDT From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu heyyeh Grin was okay. anyway, yeah, so Apple and I are making this great trip out to Pittsburgh this weekend, and anyway, i suppose we will be leaving early Saturday and returning noonish Monday. I will be travellingg west on I-84 from Hartford to Scranton, down I-81 to Harrisburg, and then the Penn Tpke west to Pitt. Same way back.... if you are on the way, and want to join in on the fun and games, email me and we will make some sort a arrangements. well anyway bleah. Kreig [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:04:04 EDT From: snipet@uci0.mitre.org (Henry M. Hughes) Subject: Re: Blinking Light Goggles ... Last year at a rave in Providence, RI (I can't remember it's name), I climbed three flights of stairs. When I came out of the stairwell, there were these rows of lawnchairs. Each seat had a pair of oversized (Yoko Ono) sun- glasses matted with color paper. Slightly interested but alarmed as a scam, I asked, "So what's this?". "A mental gymnasium", the aged man replied. He then continued his pitch about how the glasses both relaxed and stimulated the subconscious. Finally, to end the salesman/consumer routine, I asked the all important question: "How much?". Fortuneately, the music kicked in and I believe he said something like $8. Basically, I can't evaluate spending $$ for a strobelight in my face. I can do that at Manray's for free... Although I must admit ... I didn't try it ... and it's more than likely that I'm missing somehting ... Moutain dewed in the morning - Hank PS - anyone want a Mountain Dew Bitmap? It's tiny but tile-able... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 06:46:30 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Charging for Brain Machines!? I can't beleive that people would charge for the use of a brain machine at raves. Whenever we did it out here ,the people who were setting them up would always jump at the chance for free publicity...And you can build one for about $8.00 anyway (plus the swim goggles) What a scam! BTW,I have a small brain machine and love it-not for meditation but for helping me to get to sleep,which it does very well... But I'd never pay $8.00 for the privilige of using one. People need to make them more popular so they wont be held up as such a unique thing..they should be just part of the scenery..if you know what I mean.. Build them..They're just basically- a 555,an op amp,and some LED's. C. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: picnic time again... it looks like we're going to try to organzie the ne-raves picnic for sat. may 1st. the day of ESSENCE 2 (the second coming) in long island, NY. it is not going to be easy to organize tho, simply because parking in NYC sucks...but, i think the only way to do it is to have everyone meet at say... columbus circle (broadway and 59th st).. and then we'll all head into the park and picnic our brains off.' 'parking.. arriving, etc.. would be up to you. is there interest in this? i guess we've got to open up the discussion channels on this one again. i know some people have expressed interest.. ideas? problems? RSVPs? peaceout >>taylor.808 >>spirituality through technology<< [eox] ... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Colin Blakeman II Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 15:28:56 BST Subject: Re: unsubscribe Sorry about sending this to the list but I sent this yesterday > From cb_panor Mon Apr 19 12:02:12 1993 > To: ne-raves-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu > Subject: unsubscribe > Content-Length: 12 > > unsubscribe > and I have got no confirmation of its reception and am still receiving hordes of ne-rave mail. I think the list is great but dont have time to read it all, please can you unsubscribe me or tell me what I am doing wrong. Thank-you. Colin [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 11:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "It\\'s Time for the PERCOLATOR!!" Subject: Re: your mail [][][][][][[]<><><<><>><187-Mobile.Live.Techno.Vibes><<><><<><>][][][][][][][] On Tue, 20 Apr 1993, kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu wrote: > heyyeh > > Grin was okay. > > anyway, yeah, so Apple and I are making this great trip out to Pittsburgh > this weekend, and anyway, i suppose we will be leaving early > Saturday and returning noonish Monday. I will be travellingg > west on I-84 from Hartford to Scranton, down I-81 to Harrisburg, > and then the Penn Tpke west to Pitt. Same way back.... > if you are on the way, and want to join in on the fun and games, email > me and we will make some sort a arrangements. Ok, this is to anyone who is comming to Pittsburgh. If you ever decide to make a trip here email me. This goes for all you net-ravers that are going to make the trek up or down here for High Voltage on May 1st. :) Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20 Apr 93 11:34:00 EST From: "John Speakman" Subject: brain machines >From: ALTERED STATES >Have all you guys seen those light goggles at raves where you sit down and >supposedly become ultra-relaxed after wearing goggles for a few minutes? >Do they really work? How much do people usually charge for useing them >and does anyone know where to get them? I had a go with one for free at the Shamen thingy in New York last year. You're supposed to lie down and close your eyes and it has these sort of synchronized mellow beeps and strobey flashes that move left and right and get faster and slower in synch. I remember thinking 'uh-oh what if they really work and I freak out' but of course they did nothing for me. The person operating it said she was just doing these little 10 minute goes for free cos she was friends with the Shamen but if you really wanted a proper go you'd have to go downtown to their offices for the full 40 minute stint and pay lots of cash (like $25ish, I seem to recall). Sounds like a scam to me, doesn't it to you? I think their machines are different from the little personal doodahs that play mellow noises to you to help you sleep. John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:34:00 EDT From: Thomas C Noe Subject: 1200's for purchase! Okay last time! Everybody you responded to my last message about equipment at whole sale costs! I AM NOT ABLE TO COMPETE WITH NEW YORK CITY GREY MARKET PRICES SO I CAN NOT SELL 1200's or 1210's............. If you want grey market go to any store in NY that displays all of its stock in the window........ Stereo plaza somewhere little south of Port Authority on 7 th Avenue or Rock and Soul........I can only help you when it comes to speakers, amps, crossovers, mixers, eq's ......... Especially RANE, BOSE, CARVER, CROWN PS I don't want to seem like I sell out useing the network to advance my own needs, I support the rave community in its efforts to produce a true rave cost effectivlly ....... pss If anybody needs a pro sound system for a single night anywhere between NY and Bostom e-mail me maybe I can help! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Charging for Brain Machines!? Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Chris: > > People need to make them more popular so they wont be held up as such > a unique thing..they should be just part of the scenery..if you know what > I mean.. Build them..They're just basically- a 555,an op amp,and some LED's. > C. Ok, but since i have never tried one, i have no idea what it is. I mean at what frequency the led flashes? How? Where? When? What? ... 8) Anybody can do a schematic or give all the specs and i'll make some for my upcoming rave (check my next message). BTW, Chris, i have received today your flyer... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: RaVe en CouLeur! - Montreal, may 8th Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 11:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Francois Dion presents: an IdMEDIA production RaVe en CouLeur! Saturday, May 8th 1993 Montreal, QC, Canada DJ: Martin Rene De Cotret ( Clandestin) Francois Dion ( Branche: Monde) Dominic Gervais ( DG) + LIVE performance by Fuzzy Logic + VJ: Marco + Multimedia cyber lighting system by IdMEDIA + Virtual rave + audio/video computer systems + Smart bar + rave toys The place will only be announced 24 hours in advance, at: (514) 671-4933 This number gives you interactive information 24 hours a day on the Montreal techno-rave scene and much more. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 12:13:37 -0400 From: Duncan Charles Haberly Subject: Colorbox II Could someone please post me ("r", not "R") with info, cost, location, etc. of Colorbox II this weekend in Philly? Thanks, Duncan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.att.com Subject: Re: brain machines Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT) > if you really wanted > a proper go you'd have to go downtown to their offices for the full 40 > minute stint and pay lots of cash (like $25ish, I seem to recall). If these things are so simple, why doesn't Someone Who Knows What They're Talking About (unlike me) post a schematic and a parts source? It would put the profiteers out of business, both those who rent time and those (like Sharper Image) who price-gouge the devices themselves. -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:42 EST From: KMANCUSO@vax.clarku.edu Subject: Add me to your list [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 13:58:54 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Fields of Joy Hi all, Can anyone in Rhode Island tell me where I can get tix for Fields of Joy this weekend? Or is this one worth going to (i have no info on it). If anyone is interested in going, I can probably give rides from RI. Thanks in advance. Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: MONGREL/MARS From: Michael S Yang Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:53:19 -0400 Looking at the recent rave fliers (for Mongrel and Mars --- the Mars fliers are beautiful) I think it will be a bit hard to decide which one to go to... Just wondering if anyone knows who the promoters are for Mongrel (I have never heard of D.O.G.). Anyway, both are on the same night, so... Hope everyone had a good time wherever they were. Expand was great! (see Melzie, I finally did post something). A word of warning: Never go to a rave by the people who did Mega-rave. It was anything but a 'Mega'-rave. mikeY [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 14:08 EST From: KMANCUSO@vax.clarku.edu Hook up a stark raving mad Clarkie with some info. Peace. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: brain machine? From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta') Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:26:37 EDT Is a brain machine one of those helmets wihtt he strobe???? if it is the schematic is simple..... ttf-iang [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20-APR-1993 14:55:28.97 From: scuba Subject: home planet does ANYBODY know ANYTHING about an event i heard about a while ago that's supposed to happen on the 24th in Providence, RI at home planet???????????????? any info numbers or ticket locations or directions or food would be greatly appreciated. THANX, nathaniel ====> nhamon@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20-APR-1993 10:48:24.05 From: KZIMMERMAN@wesleyan.edu Subject: european techno news Received: from medisg.Stanford.EDU by EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU (PMDF #12650) id <01GX1VFXC6W08WW5FH@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 19:37 EDT Received: by medisg.Stanford.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA08172; Thu, 15 Apr 93 14:59:20 PDT Received: from soda.berkeley.edu by medisg.Stanford.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA08168; Thu, 15 Apr 93 14:59:14 PDT Received: from cdp.igc.org by soda.berkeley.edu (5.65/KAOS-1) id AA26157; Thu, 15 Apr 93 14:55:59 -0700 Received: by igc.apc.org (4.1/Revision: 1.76 ) id AA26032; Thu, 15 Apr 93 14:59:23 PDT Received: by nexsys.nexsys.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00523; Thu, 15 Apr 93 14:55:11 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 14:55:11 PDT From: geoffw@nexsys.net (Geoff White) Subject: european techno news To: sfraves@nexsys.net Message-id: <9304152155.AA00523@nexsys.nexsys.net> This is from my new e-mail pal Ina who I affectionately refer to as the East German Rave Queen. I think its OK to share with you all. ----- Begin Included Message ----- To: geoffw@nexsys.net Subject: european techno news Content-Length: 2202 X-Lines: 60 Status: RO Hello Geoff! Here is Ina after 4 weeks ore more. Sorry for your waiting, but i got always problems with the e.mail stuff at the Mac Intosh; sometimes it's not connected with the uni-net, sometimes I forgot some steps how to use it... But here am I. Today I'm writing from my Silicon Graphics account, please send your next messages to here. So, now is following a little Techno Guide through Europe. What kind of Techno they are listening and raving at different places? Cologne: Acid, Detroit Minimalism, Break Beat (UK Techno), Rotterdam Rec. Berlin: Belgium Techno, Italian Techno (Ramirez), lesser Techno Frankfurt: Trance Techno, Hard House Hamburg: House with Techno-Bits Rotterdam: Heavy Techno - chainsaw "Gabber House" (Euromaster EP) Amsterdam: House, Minimalistics (DJAX UP BEATS), Traditional Acid These informations are from Riley ore "Triple R", he is a DJ from Cosmic Orgasm, a DJ- &Party union here at Cologne. There is a tape for you in preparation with actually listened Techno. In to weeks I want to go to Latvia, espacially to Riga. On May the first there will be "The biggest russian rave ever". These DJ's are often mixing with old audio reels, because they can't get the new records and they don't have the special players for it. I'm very interested in what's going on there. 2 months ago I went to Prag, there is also a growing szene. So, Geoff, you have to know, I come from East Germany, the last 5 years I studied fashion design in Halle (this is near Leipzig). We had a really good Techno time there; the movement was much more closed to the living conditions, you know, after the unifikation all things were changing. We had nice old factories and bunkers (of course illegal) & great parties. Here in west it's more like a trend. The speed is actually by 170 bpm. So, I think it's enough for today. Please, send me your adress, than I can send you the tapes. I hope, you could understand my English. Put your hands in the air Ina ----- End Included Message ----- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:20:36 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: info about raves for the R-o-M. ======================================================================== 34 Hey everyone, if anyone has info about some upcoming raves could they plese forward it to me so i can include it in the latest ROMfor today? Esp. Info about: **** Fields of Joy and i heard someone mention something happining in Philly ** ** this weekend. Thanks. If you could reply before 6 p.m. would be great. peace dou g ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 15:56:02 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: pen lasers what is the cheapest place that i can buy a nice hi-tek pen laser? i want one SO badly.. and i'm about ready to plunk down the $100+ to get one. :0 >>taylor.808 spirituality through technology [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 16:02:37 EDT From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: info about raves for the R-o-M. On Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:20:36 EDT you said: >Fields of Joy and i heard someone mention something happining in Philly >** ** >this weekend. Thanks. If you could reply before 6 p.m. would be great. Ok, according to the Never Never Land info number, here's the latest info on Fields of Joy. CC: to ne-raves for those who can't wait for the ROM. :) Location will be "within 15 minutes of Boston" Busing information: From Boston call 617-236-4191 New York call 516-957-6840 Vermont call 802-656-6782 Tickets are $13 and can be purchased at: Allston Beat (Boston) 617-421-9555 Boston Beat (Boston) 617-561-4790 Lunacy (Providence) 401-272-5862 Bad Habits (Portland) 207-773-1310 Vinyl Mania (New York) 212-463-7120 DJ Records (New York) 516-667-1112 Pure Pop (Vermont) 802-658-2652 -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 17:02:51 -0400 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: Blinking Light Goggles ... Strangely enough, there actually is physiological evidence that brain wave rhythms will match up with the blinking frequency. Of course, your pouring these huge blasts of activity down the visual pathway when they flash, so that's not very suprising. Whether or not it actually relaxes you or not is another question. -Thomas [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 14:02:53 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Brain machine info... There was more than a bit of brain machine info in the mind-l archives on asylum.sf.ca.us last time I looked.. There was an article in Radio Electronics a few years ago telling how to build a cheap brain machine ..Ity was written by a guy names Mark Whorley from San Diego who also sells really cheap kits, I think. If nobody can find a schematic after a few days and nobody else less busy and more technically inclined than me isnt inclined to post a schematic.. maybye I will, I have a few -somewhere.. Two approaches come to mind.. Athe best would be to write some software to control the 8 bus lines in the typical computer parallel port.. Line level would easily drive LED's... This would give ultra-control. Another approach would be to build a simple light flasher using a 555 timer chip (or if you really want to get snazzy,use a 556 dual timer and make it possible to separate flashrates for each eye. ) A bit of amplification on the output and you're all set.Aim for a 50% duty cycle and a flashrate of 6-15 Hz. -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 17:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: More GIF's Just thought I'd let you all know about some recent additions.. the following can be found at media-lab.mit.edu under pub/ne-raves/incoming. I havent had a chance to see them yet but they the pictures were taken at Back to The Future and the hours before. dang.GIF (dang) fran&brit.GIF (fran and me) Inhuman&b3n.GIF (Inhuman and Ben Jaffe) futuregroup.GIF (the ne-raves crowd) mikebrown.GIF (Mike Brown) _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: XDZebra Review #27 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 15:58:27 -0600 (MDT) XDZebra Review #27 Addiction 266 Delmar Ct. Salt Lake City, UT 84101-1817 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational Music: FAX 805/893-8553, Phone 805/564-4949, email angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu Back issues are available from me by mail or by ftp'ing to soda.berkeley.edu. They're in the pub/sfraves/music directory. This is all my opinion. Flames against a review are pretty pointless, so don't bother. Let me know if you have any other comments though. BPMs provided courtesy of Eric Pederson's BPM calculator for the Sparc. XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #27 Contents: Dub House Disco & Dub House Disco 2000 Moodswings: Taste EP - Rainsong Airstream: Airstream Blue Eyed Christ: Catch My Fall Hypnopedia: Spectral EP Twitch CD 6 Dub House Disco & Dub House Disco 2000 Guerilla/IRS: 0777 7 13221 29 Disc One: Dub House Disco 1 122 05:48 D.O.P.: Groovy Beat (Jelly Mix) 2 120 06:10 React 2 Rhythm: Intoxication (Clubfield Mix) 3 124 07:02 Spooky: Don't Panic (Weird 'n' Spooky Mix) 4 132 06:26 Superreal: United States of Love (Aorta Mix) 5 131 06:11 Two Shiny Heads: Let Go (Turn 'n' Burn Mix) 6 116 05:25 Fuzzy Logic Feat. Erire: Obsession (Throbjam Mix) 7 120 07:32 Superreal: Body Medusa (Leftfield Mix) 8 130 05:57 React 2 Rhythm: I Know You Like It (Scenes From Fractal Blotter) 9 124 05:33 Code MD: Higher (Funk a Duck Mix) 10 128 06:42 S1000: Flatliners (Desirable Dub Mix) 11 126 07:43 D.O.P.: Oh Yeah (LP Version) 12 120 02:31 Superreal: Body Medusa (Leftfield Dub Mix) Disc Two: Dub House Disco 2000 1 124 07:31 Spooky: Land of Oz (Poppyfield Mix) 2 124 07:11 Chameleon Product: Feel 3 121 06:33 Dr. Atomic: Schudelfloss (High on Hedonism Mix) 4 135 07:11 10th Chapter: Product (Original Mix) 5 125 09:07 Drum Club: Alchemy (Phasers on Stun Mix) 6 119 06:29 D.O.P.: Oh Yeah (Murk Boys UK Mix) 7 125 06:52 Eagles Prey: Feeling Warm (Part Two) 8 126 06:24 Superreal: One Nation (Eunity Mix) 9 126 06:05 React 2 Rhythm: Intoxication (Rhythm Trance Mix) 10 125 06:42 Spooky: Schmoo (Steppin' Razor Mix) Comments: Before I listened to this, I somehow knew I would favor the second disc. I was right. The first disc is more in a housey vein, the second isn't really techno or trance, but something in between. More like Orbital's more dancey stuff, and the reason they come to mind is the excellent remix of Drum Club they provide with "Alchemy". The first disc isn't bad, it just isn't my cup of tea. However, I do enjoy Spooky's wonderful "Don't Panic" and amazingly enough, the "Jelly" remix of D.O.P.'s overplayed "Groovy Beat", as well as "Flatliners". One the second disc, "Feel", "Schudelfloss" and the tribility of "Feeling Warm" and "Intoxication" make those tracks stand out from the rest. Summary: 7/10. Domestic and packed, but with about a 40% hit rate in my opinion. Moodswings: Taste EP - Rainsong Arista/BMG: 74321 118572 Volume One: 1 94 04:27 Rainsong 2 110 04:53 Wombtones 3 122 04:15 100% Total Success (Madsters at Work Mix) 4 116 04:19 100% Total Success (Moodfood Version) Volume Two: 1 91 06:23 Rainsong (Moodfood Version) 2 117 05:33 Skinthieves (Deluge Mix) 3 122 05:19 Skinthieves (Murder Mix) 4 122 04:05 100% Total Success (Do What You Want Mix) Comments: A highly anticipated set of remixes for several trakcs from the Moodswings "Moodfood" album. Both discs are actually sold seperately due to the UK limits on EP releases, but the first disc DigiPak container has a well for the second disc. Short of the "Wombtones" track on the first disc, I'd recommend just buying the second disc. The remixes of "100% Total Success" on the first disc are lackluster and unamazing, "Rainsong" is slightly different from the original. "Wombtones" itself is wonderful with a huge ambient intro, then soft slow drumming when it finally does break out. On the second disc, the "Skinthieves" remixes are good, especially "Murder". The "Do What You Want Mix" is better than the mixes on the first disc, but still doesn't compare to the original. Summary: 6/10. Expensive and slightly disappointing. If you're curious, just buy the second disc for a "taste". Airstream: Airstream One Little Indian: 66TP7CD 1 115 03:57 Airstream (Short But Sweet Mix) 2 115 07:12 Airstream (Good 'n' ard Mix) 3 114 08:33 Airstream (Arkansas Chugabug Mix) 4 122 04:32 Road Hog Comments: Produced by Steve Hillage, Airstream opens with a light beat and a wickedly beautiful piano riff, then the vocals kick in. This guy can't sing and the lyrics are especially bad. I hoped that the mixes would possibly throw him out, but only the "Arkansas" mix comes close with about three minutes of opener. The "Good 'n' ard Mix" is simply a longer version of "Short But Sweet". "Road Hog" surprised me with an instrumental that harkened back to, of all bands, Felt? Ironically, I loved their instrumentals and hated their singer as well. Summary: 4/10. Nice listening when there aren't vocals, yet not extremely dancey. Somewhere between older indie and newer techno. Blue Eyed Christ: Catch My Fall Kk: KK081CDS/390.1081.3 16 1 123 02:09 Dive 2 123 06:17 Stratosphere 3 123 06:22 Troposphere 4 123 06:33 Ozone 5 123 04:12 Ionosphere 6 101 03:02 Biosphere 7 101 08:17 Abyss Comments: An angry young reznoralike yells his vocals into your ears. You wish you were home, listening to The Orb. Then the third track comes on. You are listening The Orb, "Evergrowing Brain" in fact. The single continues to mutate through 123 BPMs, using a female vocal which works for the single much more than the lead's own. Thankfully, after "Stratosphere" he reappears singing on the bottom of a spinning lake. Yes, I'm rambling, but how do you describe a single that is remixed in 123 then 101 BPMs, from industrial originals to Orb samples, to trancey female ahhhs, to a hip-hop beat, back to pure ambience? Apparently, I just did, but this has to be the strangest set of remixes I've ever seen. Summary: 6/10. I love it and I hate it. The band is from Illinois, but the single is from Holland, go figure. Sort of sketchy at an import price, but otherwise good. Hypnopedia: Spectral EP Boy Records/ZYX: BOY 8846-8 1 132 07:00 Cario 2 133 05:39 Mark IV 3 06:44 Eclypse 4 12:47 Spectral Comments: Rather ordinary attempts at trance with the first two tracks on this disc, then a pair of odd ambient pieces. "Eclypse" is the Eddie Van Halen answer to ambient music with a screaming guitar solo eclipsing any sort of mood trying to be set with beatless backing music. "Spectral" is interesting, with rainstorms, bird sounds, strange reminiscent beats, new age snippets, Spanish guitars, a light synth, and Harry Connick Jr. The two artists in Hypnopedia create a beautiful ambient mix. "Spectral" is definitely the highlight and the focus of this EP. Summary: 4/10. Bit pricey on the import, worth purchasing only for the title track. Twitch CD 6 Twitch: TW-CD-06 1 120 05:43 Lion Rock: Lion Rock 2 122 06:11 Baha Men: Back to the Island 3 122 07:23 Jaco: Show Some Love 4 123 06:58 The Orb: Blue Room 5 124 07:16 Fini Tribe: Forever Green 6 125 07:22 Coco Steel & Lovebomb: You Can't Stop The Groove 7 125 06:18 Supereal: One Nation 8 128 06:42 Prefab Sprout: If You Don't Love Me 9 128 07:16 Shakedown Productions: Alhambra 10 128 06:18 Electrosonik: I am the Creator 11 128 07:19 Ultraviolet Catastrophe: Trip Harder Comments: The strongest release yet from Twitch. The prime mover on this album is the Ultraviolet Catastrophe's remix of Orb's "Blue Room". These boys put Frank de Wulf to shame as they completely restructure "Blue Room" into an even more explosive track. UVC's own release, "Trip Harder" makes its way to CD for the first time. If you haven't heard this track yet, prepare for some severe head melting. On the strong side, the wonderfully beautiful remix of Prefab Sprout's "If You Don't Love Me", Lion Rock's "Lion Rock", and Shakedown Production's "Alhambra". Coco Steel & Lovebomb didn't impress me this time around, and I'm really tired of the "I am the creator" sample used by Electrosonik. Electrosonik's music didn't do much for me either. Summary: 9/10. Twisty, twitchy remix work. Although there are some weak points, the strong tracks really stand apart and make this a worthwhile purchase from Twitch corp. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 18:59 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: Fields of Joy? is the Fields Of Joy Rave the one in Cambridge..on Sat. or am i mistaking it for a different one? BTW..Could someone list the raves going on near Boston for this weekend? thanks PsYcHoTrOpIcAl [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 19:31:10 -0400 From: "the armchair raver" Subject: Re: Fields of Joy In message <9304201801.AA16924@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Joe Pitassi writes: > Hi all, > Can anyone in Rhode Island tell me where I can get tix for Fields of Joy > this weekend? Try Luna Sea in Providence... Also, are a lot of ne'ers heading to this or are most going to Balt. or Pitts.? Chris cmellow@well.sf.ca.us ********************* "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: COLOUR BOX II From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 18:51:00 -0500 Headstrong People / Spot Present: C O L O U R B O X I I APRIL 23, 1993 In Philadelphia, PA at the OZ; Front & Spring Garden Streets DJs: Mace [Headstrong People] Spike [Planet X] Freshco [Digital Deviants] Oddessy [Vagabond's/G.T.P.] Overlord [Limelight] Adrock [Afterworld] Dave Wave [Back To the Future/Bar, CT] Dayz X-1 [Digital Deviants] Goodwill [DBD Raves/Zenith] XL [Afterworld] Spinning: Techno, Acid House and HARDCORE! VJs: SJAKIE [Hardwired Productions] POPI SMARTBAR. RAVEWEAR BY MR. 3 FOR DIRECTIONS & INFO CALL: Wendy: 215-204-3306 OZ : 215-627-1913 Dead by Dawn: 215-552-8833 Afterworld: 609-667-0607 Planet X: 908-249-0304 Audreee : 215-951-0277 RAVE ON! SJAKIE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 19:59:36 EDT From: Matt Subject: A rave called QUEST Wassup people? I've told some of you about the upcoming QUEST rave in Providence, and I think it's time to put da money where ma mouth is. It sounds pretty awesome, and I can tell you that the promoters, Amoebahead Productions, are definitely into the scene and throw good stuff, as I'm sure some of you already know. Here it is: Amoebahead Productions, originators of the Providence techno underground, present The Return of a Rave Called QUEST Saturday, May 8, 1993 Frankie Bones (Groove World Records/Brooklyn) Keoki (Disco 2000/Manhattan) Jimmy Crash (Direct Drive Records/Brooklyn) Heart (Under One Sky/Brooklyn) 333 & MGEE (Blue Crew/U.K. Dynamic Duo) Osheen (Providence) Adam X (X-Crash/Brooklyn) XVX (Rabid City Records/U.K.) James Christian (Future Shock/Long Island) Tym Ryan (Venus de Milo/Boston) Debo (Mindwarp/Boston) Happy (Boston) Live! on Stage DX-13 (industrial strength records/providence) Age/Exit 100 (force inc./lab works; germany's original acid masters) Force Mass Motion (rabbit city records/u.k.) Lighting by Pandemonium Visuals by Fluid Plus! Moonbounces, lasers, free beach party afterhours tickets: $17 (advance $15) Providence: Luna Sea (401) 272-5862 Manhattan: Vinylmania (212) 463-7120 Brooklyn: Groove Records (718) 266-1079 Boston: Boston Beat (617) 561-4790 Quest info lines: Providence: Amoebahead (508) 226-6716 New York: Mello Mello (212) 631-4290 Joint Ventures (212) 629-2061 Trepp (212) 629-1960 Boston: Primary (617) 232-3104 Mindwarp (617) 499-4848 Benny (617) 267-3358 Maine: KC & Sunshine Gang (201) 773-6979 Balt/D.C.: Atomic Vibe (410) 752-7305 Promotional thanx: mello mello, primary, trepp, joint ventures, eddie van raven, heather heather, atomic vibe, mindwarp, benny, kc & sunrise gang And that's all folks! I hope to see a million (260) ne ravers there, 'cause it's definitely going to be a big and phat event. By the way, Doug, this is for you, too. Fresh Blend [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 20:56:56 EDT From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: Brain machine info... I'm an electrical engineer so the first time I saw those biorhythm electronic devices, i had to check it out. Here's some dirt on them: The ones that are used at most raves and sold by stores like the "Sharper Image" aren't as simple as one flashing LED in each eye at one speed, but they aren't much more complex. The "visual stimulation" (i.e.LEDs on a pair of glasses) is usually a red and a green LED for each eye. The strobe rate and color are both variable and may left/right strobing is also possible. This is pretty simple circuitry still, though. The tougher part of the devices are also that they have "audio stimulation" as well, which means you wear a pair of headphones that emit audio tones thatmatch the flash rate of the LEDs. This is an important part of the system. Once you've got the actual device, the key is to have someone who knows what they're doing run it for you. I think there are patterns that you run it in (i.e. slow blink green, alternating eyes, faster blink green both eyes, fast red, slow green, etc.). A guy on a rave bus trip I was on had one of these gizmos, but no one knew how to really run it that well, so it was about as relaxing as just sitting there with your eyes closed. The device that he had had a key pad that didn't tell you how to change rates or colors or anything and he was too drugged up to be able to explain it to anyone. I've used them before from people who knew what they were doing and it does seem to have some kind of effect on you (as to what that effect is I couldn't really describe). I could draw up a schematic on Orcad or something, but I have no idea how I would post it to the list. I don't know when I'll have the time to do it, so hopefully someone has an existing schematic design. Peaceelectronicbrainstimulators, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu (TM) d i r e c t f r o m M A R S "...out of this world cyber-wear" =============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:55:35 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: pen lasers Hi I think pen lasers are had for about $100 from the back of most scientific product catalogs, e.g. VSR Scientific or Fischer Scientific. I haven't bothered to check for the cheapest source. Go to your local physics dept and ask the dept machinist or dept electronic technician. they'll have loads of suggestions and catalogs. Brendan The MAN from Brandeis Physics do do doooooo ---some Bond ish tech sounds inserted here please :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 20:44:02 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Rave-o-Matic This is the Rave-o-matic for the week of Tue. April 20,1993 no jokes this week...i promise(unless some of these raves are bad) and yes there are 2 nebulas. enjoy.. doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0vingg race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu ========================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR __________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES: __________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 23 PROVIDENCE, RI (401) 751 - 5695 EARTH DAY RAVE Earth Day Rave (or Electriconi?)-- April, 23 1993 brought to you by Home Planet Productions - djs - NYC: Rio James Christian London: 333 MG Providence: DJ Antonio, Surreal, OSheeN Live Performance from Emergency Broadcast Network & Grace Sound and Light Therapy, Virtual Reality Experiments(Between 2 worlds mindgem) 5 watt laser Tickets: $13 door, $11 advance, $10 with a membership Tickets on sale at: Providence - Fast Forward, Lunacy (401)272-5862, Home Planet (401) 751-5695 Boston - Harvard University New York City - Discorama Records Join us Media Circus ! (401) 751-5695 Directions: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 23 PENNSYLVANIA, PA (215) 204 - 3306 COLOUR BOX II (215) 627 - 1913 Headstrong People / Spot Present: C O L O U R B O X I I APRIL 23, 1993 In Philadelphia, PA at the OZ; Front & Spring Garden Streets DJs: Mace {Headstrong People} Spike {Planet X} Freshco {Digital Deviants} Oddessy {Limelight} Adrock {Afterworld} Dave Wave {Back to The Future/Bar, CT} Dayz X-1 {Degital Deviants} Goodwill {DBD Raves/Zenith} XL {Afterworld} Spinning: Techno, Acid House, and HARDCORE! VJs: SJAKIE {Hardwired Productions} POPI SMARTBAR. RAVEWEAR BY MR. 3 FOR DIRECTIONS AND INFO CALL: Wendy: 215-204-3306 OZ : 215-627-1913 Dead by Dawn: 215-552-8833 Afterworld: 609-667-0607 Planet X : 908-249-0304 Audreee : 215-951-0277 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 POUGHKEEPSIE, NY (212) 456 - 3299 NEBULA 4 NEBULA 4 Presented by Up North Productions in Association with Satellite Productions...... DJS: Dale Charles EVAR/San Diego Micro: Caffiene/LI 333: Rise/UK MGEE: Primary/UK DB: NASA Scott Richmond: Satellite/Future/ WVKR/WDST Mr. Kleen: NASA/Sputnik Jimmy Crash: Storm Dave Trance: Caffiene/LI Free after hours at VITAMIN with VITAMIN DJS: DJ SPY: Disintergrator/DC DESI: Rockland LIL SPROUT: Nebula 2/3 ++++Plus Special Guest+++++ -New Spacious 100% Legal Warehouse APRIL 24 in the POUGHKEEPSIE AREA INFO LINES: NYC/SATELLITE 212-456-3299 BOSTON BEAT 617-561-4790 POUGHKEEPSIE/UP NORTH PRODUCTIONS 914-255-8517 BUS INFO: NY/NJ SCOOTER 201-927-2292 LI EDDIE VAN RAVEN 516-424-8148 HARTFORD UNITED TECHNO 203-627-5688 TICKETS: NYC VINYLMANIA 212-463-7120 WHITE PLAINS SPECIFIC PACIFIC 914-949- 3103 NEW PALTZ JACKS RHYTHMS 914-255-1082 POUGHKEEPSIE BERTIES Fri nights 914-452-2380 DIR: FROM SOUTH: I-84 east to exit 13/Rt 9 north 11-12 miles to Mid-Hudson Business park on right across from Marist College. FROM NORTH: Rt 9 south to Mid Hudson Business Park on the left across from Marits College. Tickets are $8 Advance 10$ at the door........ _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 BOSTON, MA (617) 629 - 0777 FIELDS OF JOY Presented by Never Neverland Productions Simultaniously hooking up both coasts! We support B.U.S. Location will be "within 15 minutes of Boston" INFO:Boston (617) 629-0777 S.F.: (415) 979-LUV-O DJs: Robbie Hardkiss Debo Onionz Tintin (from England) Jason Jinx (from NY) Tickets are $13 and can be purchased at: Allston Beat (Boston) 617-421-9555 Boston Beat (Boston) 617-561-4790 Busing Info: Lunacy (Providence) 401-272-5862 Boston call 617-236-4191 Bad Habits (Portland) 207-773-1310 New York call 516-957-6840 Vinyl Mania(New York) 212-463-7120 Veromnt call 802-656-6782 DJ Records (New York) 516-667-1112 Pure Pop (Vermont) 802-658-2652 _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, April 24 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 563 - 7880 ULTRAWORLD 6 - TEMPLE OF MOTION It's now time to bring everyone together to unify our souls through rhythm and motion. one intense room of pulsating sound, amazing visual stimulation, and a groove so funky you'll be hooked like a junky!!! Delivering the Sonic Revival RYDE DJ TRANCE DJ SUN New York Los Angeles Ultraworld ENTITY DANTE MAURE WASH Ultraworld Evolution Atomic Vibe FRANKIE HARTUNG Washington D.C. Laser Visuals by MINDSHAFT Multi-Screen Projections by DOUBLE-HELIX Smart Bar by NEURO-ENERGY $15.00 18 and over Tickets on sale at: MusicNow and Modern Music INFO LINE: 410.563.7880 Don't Just Call and Hang Up! Be Somebody!Say Something! _______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 30 BOSTON, MA (617) 889 - 0739 NEBULA 1 (from Hitman) Rave in Boston (Cambridge Actually) - NEBULA 1 ============================================== Where ----- Location -4th floor warehouse CAMBRIDGE, MA exact location to be given out soon Date ----- 4/30/93 Cost ----- Will be $10 advance, $12 at the door Tickets can be purchased in advance, You will be put on a list and all you have to do is give your name to get in. Music ----- Techno/Trance/Ambient Drink ----- Beer. Smart Bar Food ----- I was thinking about some fruits and letting people choose. Djs ----- Dj Sin-d, FBI, Trouble, and UnKnoWn - - - we're looking for others who want to spin. so if you can and have records & equipment & would like to spin let me know. Lights----- Well we will be having lasers at this RAVE! Among other things we're trying to get a bubble machine Times ----- 9 pm till 6 am Spread the word.......The more people we can get will help us afford a bigger place to have the rave We're doing this for fun...But we'd like not to be in the red. So let people know about this. We'd like to do this again... Let me know how many people you think will be coming with you. All are welcome Hitman Advamced sales........ I can be reached at (617) 889-0739 Bill - Please call between 10 am and 4 pm _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 NEW YORK CITY NE-RAVES PICNIC write to taylor 808 for info. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 LONG ISLAND, NY (516) 547 - 6129 THE SECOND COMING (on an 8 1/2 by 11 piece of glossy paper, one side fold in like MAD back cover) Essence. After May 1st Nothing will be the same... the second coming * mayday 1993 SOmeonE the Essence of Life Generation saturday - may 1st, 1993 scott hardkiss - san francisco troposohere - nasa mr. kleen - primal micro -caffeine onionz - caffeine, layaway tin tin - u.k. derek carter - chicago dave trance - caffeine, future info essence lifeline 516.574.6129 hand delivered to you by dennis the menace, kort -n- greg, eddie van raven, mello mello, toast -n- rad brad, x3/o-tomic, jeff h., fred strong chris stiles tickets $15 no wait advance ticket sales li-dj records nyc-vinylmania brooklyn-groove nj-planet x boston-boston beat additional info/busses, etc. ny joint ventures 212.631.2061 mello mello 212.631.4290 toast n brad 516.345.5517 boston mindwarp 617.266.1987 dc giovanni 703.971.4555 md chris stiles 410.752.7305 gratis li underground, joint ventures, caffeine, wonderland, blue crew, atomic vibe, ultraworld, storm, kc sunshine gang, mindwarp, rob wave, chad e. boy slipshod rob, q, catastrophic, future, primal, jason, josh rubin, klass trip zine, rise, scooter, emily, lenny m, marc, kathy&christen, nasa, the silent one, planet x, dj records, groove, vinylmania, boston beat, and to all those who support the underground... produced and presented by simon sayz portions of the proceeds to benefit the memorial wildlife federation free afterparty at caffeine ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 621 - 7759 HIGH VOLTAGE TurboZen Presents High Voltage!!! Saturday, May 1 9 pm-6am Neural Transmission event * Megawatts of Ace, Bass, Vibe disruption devices, * Auto-syncronizing visual effects for the mind, * Intellectual, Liquids to keep you going all night * Super Crazy Circus Apocalypse Side-show, and * A driving force line-up of totally schizmatic DJ's: Soji-Fu Jeff E _______________________________ Dr. Seuss Side 2 & Special Live Performance & Finger +FX Simon & Super Cool 187 & Deadly Budda JediMindtrip & & Terry Kicks Vic Money &_____________________________& Bringing you the best of Hardcore, Breakbeat, Trance, and Tribal Music from all over this funky planet!!!! Free with ticket from Tranceformer (All Tranceformer tickets must be turned in before Apr. 7) Ticket Information Available at: 412.621.7759 ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 523 - 1882 TRIPOTRONIC 7- MAY DAY FEST ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 MONTREAL, CAN (514) 671 - 4933 RAVE EN COULEUR! Francois Dion presents: an IdMEDIA production RaVe en CouLeur! Saturday, May 8 1993 Montreal, QC, Canada DJ: Martin Rene De Cotret ( Clandestin) Francois Dion ( Branche: Monde) Dominic Gervais ( DG) + LIVE performance by Fuzzy Logic + VJ: Marco + Multimedia cyber lighting system by IdMEDIA + Virtual rave + audio/video computer systems + Smart bar + rave toys the place will only be announced 24 hours in advance at: (514) 671-4933 This number gives you interactive information 24 hours a day on the Montreal techno-rave scene and much more. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 PROVIDENCE, R.I. (508) 226 - 6716 QUEST Amoebahead Productions, originators of the Providence techno underground, present The Return of a Rave Called QUEST Saturday, May 8, 1993 Frankie Bones (Groove World records/Brooklyn) Keoki (Disco 2000/Manhattan) Jimmy Crash (Direct Drive Records/Brooklyn) Heart (Under One Sky/Brooklyn) 333 & MGEE (Blue Crew/U.K. Dynamic Duo) Osheen (Providence) Adam X (X-Crash/Brooklyn) XVX (Rabid City Records/U.K.) James Christian (Future Shock/Long Island) Tym Ryan (Venus de Milo/Boston) Debo (Mindwarp/Boston) Happy (Boston) Live! on Stage DX-13 (industrial strength records/providence) Age/Exit 100 (force inc./lab works; germany's original acid masters) Force Mass Motion (rabbit city records/u.k.) Lighting by Pandemonium Visuals by Fluid Plus! Moonbounces, lasers, free beach party afterhours tickets: $17 (advance $15) Providence: Luna Sea (401) 272-5862 Manhattan: Vinylmania (212) 463-7120 Brooklyn: Groove Records (718) 266-1079 Boston: Boston Beat (617) 561-4790 Quest info lines: Providence: Amoebahead (508) 226-6716 New York : Mello Mello (212) 631-4290 Joint Ventures (212) 629-2061 Trepp (212) 629-1960 Boston: Primary (617) 232-3104 Mindwarp (617) 499-4848 Benny (617) 267-3358 Maine: KC & Sunshine Gang (201) 773-6979 Balt/D.C.: Atomic Vibe (410) 752-7305 Promotional thanx: mello mello, primary, trepp, joint ventures, eddie van raven, heather heather, atomic vibe, mindwarp, benny, kc & sunrise gang ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 PROVIDENCE, R.I. (617) 232 - 3104 GREEN house and trance primary (secondary => ) productions 617.232.3104 dj's: armand has been confirmed and others to come...(Dante) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 298 - 9000 MARS Tonka presents: A Voyage to MARS Washington and Baltimore host a gathering of the east coast families on Mars. A neutral point 141 million miles away from the territorial disputes and political traumas of earth PROVIDING THE SOUNDS OF OUR PLANET& Keoki (Limelight) Frankie Bones (Storm) Josh Wink (philly) Dante (Evolution) Debo (Boston) Scott Henry (Fever) Lieven (MusicN) IN THE ATOMIC VIBE DEPRESSURIZATION CHAMBER& DJ Who, Tom T, DJ Sun, Ryde, Wash, and Pegas AMUSEMENT CENTRAL& 15 watt full color laser Insane projections on 20ft screen 100,000 watts Bass NeuroEnergy smartbar 70,000 sqft warehouse Anti-Gravity Moon Bounce + WORLD GALATIC PREMIRE SF/X SHOW - MEDIA METAPHYSICS & MACHINE IN 3D HOLOCAUSTIC SOUND 100% legal - all permits secured $ 15 ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 WASHINGTON D.C. ? (301) 279 - 7927 MONGREL DANCE FLOOR DESTRUCTION BY: Adam X (Brooklyn) Lenny Dee (industrial strength) Jimmy Crash (Brooklyn) T-Shread (LA) DJ 749 (DC) M&M (back from the future) Double 07 (DC) James Christian (LI) Mindphuq (Baltimore) Jason Jinx (NASA) + LIVE performance by ODYSSEY featuring MC No Shame 40,000 watts of viscious bass intellabeam illumination smartbar/ mind machines 1st exclusive Hip Hop chill out room on the East Coast You think this party's not going on? Your crazy!! ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 NEW YORK CITY VISION _______________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, May 16 NEW YORK CITY EVOLUTION PICNIC in NYC's Central Park Picnic with the Evolution collective and Dante _______________________________________________________________________________ Fri-Sun May 21-23 VERMONT ELEVATION elevation- a weekend long rave held in a ski resort may 21-23 in vermont (smugglers notch) 2 arena's- main area- on the mountainside confirmed dj's: onionz dante jason jinx wink a place called bliss james christian alx of london disco dan mayhem osheen jason (mouse) arena two- in a lodge- anyone who wants to spin can schedule for a time and go to it. tickets are $40 for the entire weekend $99 for the weekend including lodging and access to the pool, hot tubs, tennis, racketball, ect. $cheaper id you come after 8pm on Saturday (comment from camper) more dj's unconfirmed, but lets just say that san francisco djs are being considered. (good ones) _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 29 WASHINGTON D.C. (703) 971 - 4555 VIVID Catastrophic 93 Presents: VIVID The Rave continues in 93 _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 5 BOSTON, MA YELLOW the makers of BLUE take you one step beyond... Yellow 5 J U N E 1993 welcome to the next level _______________________________________________________________________________ Fri-Mon June 18-21 NEW YORK STATE 1 - 800 - 4RAVE - LINE RAVESTOCK (212) 330 - 8233 _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 26 EAST COAST FROSTED RAVE (from Tarek Elnaccash, TWE5495@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU) prepare yourselves for.... F R O S T E D R A V E June 26 3000 ravers expected Suprise DJ list/live acts to be announced Location to be announced tickets will be $15 strictly advance sale only, Discount prices for members of NE-Raves, Mindcandy, and Fuzzy Logic are available Made for people who party by people who party. This is our rave! Members od NE-R/MC/FL can purchase tickets for $5 donations. These discount tickets will hwlp us cover start up costs and must be received by the end of May. The discount tickets are available only to the first 300 people who send for them. Ticket orders can be sent to me (Tarek Elnaccash 55e 10th st rm 1507 Ny,NY 10003) Flyers for this event/regular tickets will be available soon at record stores around (complete info will be listed soon) If you dont want to wait send your flyer request to: M I N D C A N D Y c/o Vitamin Love 111 Hackensack Plank Rd Wee. N.J. 07087 Anybody requesting the flyers will receive a free copy of the MINDCANDY rave newsletter (aprox. 20 pages) Peace to all Ravers FROSTED RAVE will be the first collaboration of the three Techno-Tribes. The unification of the REAL RAVERS. ____________________________________________________________________________ SAT-SUN July 3-4 NEW ENGLAND COUNTRYSIDE INDEPENDANCE under the stars brought to you by the Primary Group: BigFunHouse, MelloMello, 333, MGee, in association with KC & the sunrise gang, and Pandamonium! _______________________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:23:44 EDT From: dl@thumper.bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster) Subject: INFO INFO [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: About rave en couleur! Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 22:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Forgot to say: the cover charge is 10$ CDN and as i have previously stated i have crash space available (bring your sleeping bag). I hope a lot of you will be coming to see what the Montreal scene is like... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 22:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen M Gagnon Subject: Thank you from Pandemonium! TO EVERYONE WHO CAME TO GRIN IN PORTLAND SAT APRIL 17TH THANK YOU FROM MYSELF (PANDEMONIUM!) AND KRIS (KC & THE SUNSHINE GANG) WE HOPE YOU HAD AS WONDERFUL A TIME AS WE DID AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN ON AUG 14TH FOR TWO DEEP AND ALSO AT INDEPENDANCE ON THE 3RD AND 4TH OF JULY! WE WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT OUR PROJECTS IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM BETTER FOR EVERYONE, PLEASE KEEP IN TOUCH! AND AGAIN THANK YOU! Stephen (Pandemonium!) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 23:06:00 -0400 From: "a mind and it's ideas" Subject: Re: About rave en couleur! In message <9304210232.AA21622@brise.ERE.UMontreal.CA> Francois Dion writes: > Forgot to say: the cover charge is 10$ CDN and as i have previously stated > i have crash space available (bring your sleeping bag). > > I hope a lot of you will be coming to see what the Montreal scene is like... > for $10 cdn and a free patch of floor to sleep on, who cares what the scene is like! I'll be there! Also, regarding Montreal, has anyone heard anything about Lifejuice? Its supposedly on May 1st...or so says the flyer Does anyone know if they might be headin' up for that? Or Francois, do you know anything about it? pcpeace on out... ..they lived in what was called by many "the frigid waste-land that lied to the north"... Chris cmellow@moose.uvm.edu (note: I don't have my WELL account anymore so mail to moose.uvm.edu) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 23:56:53 +0500 (EST) From: "lerman jason m." Subject: Re: raves in northeast US? info on raves in the northeast? lermajm9@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 00:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: V-Rave V-Rave is presently operational on port 7284 as the other ports appear to have crashed. thanks.. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 01:04:52 -0400 (EDT) From: David Bullock INFO [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 02:39:30 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (She Watch Channel Zero) Subject: Re: home planet There is some event going on there, and I'm supposed to prepare lighting for it, but no info yet. keep you posted. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 02:55:41 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (spies like us) Subject: Re: Brain machine info... Please remember a couple important things when wiring to your paralle port: Outputting bits on an IBM parallel port passes through ( I believe ) a 74LS244 tri-state latch , and the tri-state latch INVERTS output.. you give it a 1, it puts a zero on the port. I have documentation for the port, and software in C and Pascal to talk to it if you want it. Remember to put optoisolators on the output when dealing with another power supply (beacuse you'll send noise from a differing ground potential right into the bus :) ) and to use a 220 ohm or so resistor when using LED's. otherwise, you'll smoke the LED, and they smell nasty. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: OPEN AIR From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:26:00 -0500 Whqat kind of permits would be needed to have a rave in the open air? if any? I dont think fire marshal would have to check the place for fire exists! hehe... Can I just find a government owned lot and at 11pm set up all the audio/lighting/video equipment and have a rave? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 04:49:01 -0400 From: jna@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Walk for Hunger 1993 Anyone intrested in doing the walk for hunger this year ? I've done it 5 years in a row, it's a good cause, and hell, I don't have anyone to do it with! Call project bread in boston (use 411?) for more info. I'll be able to get walking papers for anyone whom needs 'em.. All you ravers claim peace/love/unity. How's about showing it for those less fortunate? :) Walk/Dance/Ride 20mi to raise money for the homeless and needy. The AIDS walk is a couple weeks after that as well.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 03:51:35 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Krusty's review I'm sorry that this is a bit late. President Clinton must have declared April 17th "National Raving Day" because there were so many raves that day. I ventured to Krusty's to set up my video based VR system. I got down to Charlottesville around 6:30, and started setting things up when I realized I left the most important video cable back in DC. Duncan and I scampered around Charolottesville to find a cable, but no luck. Finally, he called his pal Gabe who runs the light, and Gabe found an camera and we were set. I finally got the system up around 11:00. I was worried that it would take forever to get the system up because it's very sensitive to the lighting condition. But Duncan had some good quality stage lights, and it made things go smoother than I expected. I was happy to see everyone enjoying themselves with the virtual environments. The one problem with the system is that I only had one monitor and others cannot see what was going on. I spent most of my time in the chill out room. Liked the music Paul and Laura were spinning. Dave Javate spun some fun housey stuff around 4:00. I was between Dave Javate's and Tod Krulak's set until the end of the rave. By the time the rave ended the only people left were the Charlottesville ravers and the NE/DC/SE ravers. All the filler was gone. Fortunate to hear Laura's set in the main room. I was dancing through most of it. I'm not a big fan of the hard stuff, but Laura's set was good. It was good to that Laura put an emphasis on the music where it's fun. It's my perception that most hard DJ tend to focus on speed. It's nice to see Laura's moving hardcore in the right direction. Duncan should be congratulated on putting on two first class events. If you never made it to any of the Krusty raves, they were on par with any of the major raves in the DC/Balt/NYC/RI. When it comes to integrating computer culture with rave culture, Krusty's tops anything on the east coast. They'll be missed but not forgotten. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 08:56:59 -0400 From: cx164@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew Hupert) Subject: Re: brain machine? There are many tyoes of brain machines, the better ones of the goggle variety also have sound pulses, which are crucial to their taking your brain down to theta state there are many brain machines out there, and they do work to varying degrees...... a rave isnt the best environment to see one's effects, the scene there combats the downward spiral of your brain state but they are trippy, and do alter your consciousness as to paying for their use, a lot of people complain about it saying u can make your own or whatever.. yet these people do not make thier own clothes, they buy them, and they dont grow food, they buy it, etcetc..... some one has to bring a machine to a rave, own a machine (the better ones are costly.. they are more than just a set of blinking lights) and they have to work for the 8 hours the rest of us are dancing..... they desrve to paid, i dont think any of you would do your job for free just cause someone else COULD do it, but isnt. i was helping christine at STOP 2 weeks ago, they paid her to run synchro-energizer in advance, so she did not have to charge the individual ravers - but this is the exception, not the rule other good machines include the tranqulite (hi charlie) works on the ganzfeld effect and is blissful in the extrmene the graham poitentializer, which rotates u through a magnetic and subsonic field, and takes u to the womb and many others the brain is a chemical engine.... all reality comes from chemical alterations, so pleae, choose the methods that work best you, and stay away from ones that dont help you... u can choose from among chemical, mechanical,electronic, behavioral, and ritual means to alter your consciousness.. so try some, fly free and have fun peace matthew -- cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind planet spins..... and your ass ....so do I will follow booom mahadev [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 10:04:24 EDT From: "Mark Danks" Subject: lasers For those of you looking for a laser, this was posted on the list about a few months ago. I have gotten the 1mW HeNe for $50, and it is a very good buy (although the beam is the size of a truck) Hope this helps. lAtEr dAzE, Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. --------------------------------------------------------------- Art is not a mirror. Art is a hammer. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-unity-tyinu-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar ---------- Begin digest From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Siemens bazooka lasers for sell Date: 31 Jan 93 12:11:42 CST Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services I just got a hold of two Siemens bazookas ! ! These guy are 3"D x 24"L and are HeNe (red) laser heads. They produce about 12mW each. I am asking $150 or best offer each for them plus shipping. H & R sells the same head for $199. These are just the heads, no power supply, but a standard HeNe supply (+2400vdc at 6mA) will drive them. The power might be increased by adjustment of the rear optics plate. I have had one like this for about two years and she is putting out 14mW. - -=-= Wes =-=- ---------- From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Lasers...lasers...-----------o Date: 2 Feb 93 15:45:44 GMT Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services I have just recieved another batch of the tight beam lasers. These are like original ones. They are 632.8Nm (visible red) and are about 1mW output. They run from +12vdc at 600mA so a 12 volt DC power supply that puts out 1 amp will run them fine. They measure 6"L x 2.25"H x 1.5"W and have the power supply built in to them. They also come with a 30 day warrenty. I am asking $50 plus $5 shipping (overseas shipping is more depending on where they are shipped to). I also enclose the schematic for a small laser light show using these modules and a wiring diagram for the power. They also have the ability to be controlled by a TTL signal (true=low or on and +5vdc=off) which will turn the power supply off at up to 5kHZ. A few others, I have more of the wide beam lasers that are 1.5mW and identical to the ones above, but the beam is spread out due to a plano-convex mirror for the output coupling mirror. These can be used for training as the beam is spread out at a distance and presents less of an eye hazard. I have used them to inspect optics for dust, pits, ect. They also are good for illuminating holograhpic images (however, I don't think they would make a holographic light source due to the beam width). These are $30 each plus $5 shipping (again, overseas is more for shipping). I also have a Spectra Physics 120 lab laser which is 7mW and in excellent condition. Also, a Spectra Physics 124 18mW lab laser in excellent condition. Also, I have Siemens 12mW HeNe heads that require +2400vdc at 6mA and a 10kvdc trigger to run. - -=-= Wes =-=- ---------- From: sherrerdw@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu (L. D. ROPER) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Lasers Date: 2 Feb 93 02:38:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 For Sale: Helium-Neon Lasers with matching Power Supply These modules contain a He-Ne laser tube w/ power supply all packaged in asmall rugged black box. (6.3"L x 2.2" T x 1.4 "W) They run on 12 VDC (i.e. they can run on 12 battery packs) Output is visable red @ 633 nm continuous , 1 mW, div: 1.7 mrad Complies with CDRH Regulations. Useful & Fun for experimenting, optics, or science projects. 30 day sat sfaction guarantee $48 each, (add $2 for shipping) Email to "sherrerdw@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu" ---------- From: sherrerdw@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu Newsgroups: misc.forsale,sci.physics,sci.electronics Subject: More Lasers ... Date: 4 Feb 93 20:02:00 GMT Followup-To: misc.forsale Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 JORDAN HN-50 with PS 500 power supply. 60 mW minimum output with intra-cavity etalon. Long coherence length, Great for holography! NEW TUBE in 1989. PM 500 digital display laser power meter included free w/ above. (no head for power meter). - $4500 Spectra-Physics 124 putting out 18 mW - $1750 Spectra Physics 120 putting out 7 mW - $500 Spectra Physics 125 putting out 28 mW - $2000 American 60X Argon Laser, Air-cooled, with Power Supply. Output approx @ 100mW, 7-8 lines! - $2250 Melles-Griot Gre-Ne, alternate wavelength Green Helium-Neon at 543 nm. TEMem 00, w/ power supply (.5 mW + output) Yellow He-Ne @ 594 nm, (.8 mW + output) w/ power supply - $400 each All of these lasers are in great shape, all are guaranteed to operate as specified. Satisfaction Guaranteed. (You pay shipping) STILL AVAILABLE: Compact 6.3" x 2.2" x 1.4" HeNe + Power supply complete module in tough black housing. 100's still available. 1 mW continuous output. Runs on 12 Volts D.C., 1.7 mrad div. 60 day Satisfaction Guarantee on these. $48 each (+$2 shipping or $3 C.O.D. in U.S.A.) E-mail to "sherrerdw@vtcc1.cc.vt.edu" Thanks. ---------- End digest [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: OPEN AIR Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 08:36:56 -0600 (MDT) > Whqat kind of permits would be needed to have a rave in the open air? > if any? I dont think fire marshal would have to check the place for fire > exists! hehe... The only thing you should really be concerned about is whether or not you are trespassing. If you don't think anyone will notice your trespass, then don't worry about it. > Can I just find a government owned lot and at 11pm set up all the > audio/lighting/video equipment and have a rave? This is what I did last August. It was a large parking area off the side of the road in the mountains here. I just had a sound system and a generator. It remains my favorite rave that I've thrown to date. We're doing another outdoor one this next weekend with a similar setup. Lights in the outdoors are fairly extraneous if you have a good sky. Sell LOTS of glow products, they look great. I ran out of them in August. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 10:29 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: lasers > For those of you looking for a laser, this was posted on the list >about a few months ago. I have gotten the 1mW HeNe for $50, and >it is a very good buy (although the beam is the size of a truck) >Hope this helps. I am also selling a HeNe + power supply. The rating on the tube is 7mW I believe, I'll have to check. Interested parties should contact me at laura@usl.com . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 11:41:16 EDT From: Thomas C Noe Subject: More equipment Okay the responce has been great! There are a lot of you that I can help. Since a lot of you are asking for similar things it will be cheaper for all of you if we order the same models. The distributors lessen their prices if I purchace more than four units. So I want to emphasize the things that were requested most often so I can put together a bulk order and not a single unit order. 1. Rane EQ's 2. Carver Amps 3. Rane Mixers AS more of you send you wish lists to me it is getting harder and harder to keep track of everything, so I want everybody that e-mailed me before and those who are planning to to include Full Name Address and most importantly a Phone Number so I can reach you for various reasons. TOM [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 08:51:40 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Pen lasers for $70.00 ? I remember seeing an ad in the back of Whole Earth Review or "Utne Reader" a few months back advertising pen lasers for $70.00 ! There's also this guy who always posts to sci,optics who sells small 12V laser modules (removed from supermarket scanners) for $50.00 Don't know the quality.... -C. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:43:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: ***(HOM)*** You know the score.. mail 'em in. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 13:56:03 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: pen laser help thanks everyone for all your help in finding a pen laser! hopefully (if some birthday cash rolls in) i will get one in a week or two! whee! :) peace and saturns >>taylor.808.kick.wave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 14:37:32 From: jeremias@MIT.EDU (Jeremy Grainger) Subject: Ultraworld 6 & the L/B/G March I'm going down to the DC area with my boyfriend for the Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual March (Sunday). Will be staying in Baltimore Fri thru Mon and plan to go to Ultraworld there Sat night. Are other ne-ravers going to either or both? It'd be fun to hook up, but HOW? Does anyone have suggestions? As to where, when, how? (Hopefully, I'll have my badge tomorrow...) E ME BACK SOON! I'm leaving Thursday around 3 pm. I'll check my mail last thing before leaving town. Could someone forward this to dcraves as I've lost their address? peace love flowers Jeremy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 14:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bruce Tomblyn Subject: WV Raves???? Unfortunately, I have to leave Pittsburgh now (graduation and all) and move back to my hometown, Huntington, WV. Anybody aware of any raves ever happening/coming up soon in West Virginis, Eastern Kentucky, Southeastern Ohio? Thanx, schmoo [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Sea of Sin Subject: vrave Well vrave has been unrealible lately. It's now on 7282. Just try all the ports 728*. cindy seaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsinseaofsin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's extraordinary how we go through life with eyes half shut, with dull ears, with dormant thoughts. Perhaps it's just as well; and it may be that it is this very dullness that makes life to the incalculable majority so supportable and so welcome." -Joseph Conrad ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ kawakami@usfca.edu kawakami@dons.ac.usfca.edu kawakami@alm.admin.usfca.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 15:34:14 -0500 (EST) From: r a d i o s p h e r e Subject: for those musicians not on AnalogueHeaven i'm selling my mackie 1202 mixer: 12 inputs (4 mono, 4 stereo) 2 stereo fx loops super quiet perfect condition with box/foam manuals still under warantee $250 >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:06:42 EDT From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Rave-o-Matic On Tue, 20 Apr 93 20:44:02 EDT you said: >This is the Rave-o-matic for the week of Tue. April 20,1993 >Saturday, April 24 BOSTON, MA (617) 629 - 0777 >FIELDS OF JOY Just announced today (unfortunately after the ROM came out): The event will be held at the National Guard Armory in Dorchester, MA. They said it was just outside of Central Boston. After-hours will be held at Quest, 1270 Boylston St. Boston A free bus will run between Quest and the event starting at 9:45 pm. They also added a DJ: Samir (sp?) from NY. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 16:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "It\\'s Time for the PERCOLATOR!!" Subject: Re: WV Raves???? [][][][][][[]<><><<><>><187-Mobile.Live.Techno.Vibes><<><><<><>][][][][][][][] On Wed, 21 Apr 1993, Michael Bruce Tomblyn wrote: > Unfortunately, I have to leave Pittsburgh now (graduation and all) and > move back to my hometown, Huntington, WV. Anybody aware of any raves > ever happening/coming up soon in West Virginis, Eastern Kentucky, > Southeastern Ohio? > > Thanx, > schmoo It seems to me that you would be better off just comming up to Pittsburgh occassionally. The PBraves list I hope to have up and running this summer will cover raves in an area of about 150miles around the tri-state area. PA/OH/WV. I got your address so I'll heep you informed and when the list is finally up and running here at telerama I will contact you and ask if you want to subscribe. Note: Most of the raves will probably be in the Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or Canton/Akron area. BTW: I just got back from a trip to the area of Pittsburgh that Zoom is in. I found Zoom easily due to the slick paint job they were doing on it. It looks good. I hope it SOUNDS as good as it looks. They're going to be doing alot of cool things as far as raves are concerned. And dieselBoy will spin there regularly. Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:28:15 EDT From: brian@gnu.ai.mit.edu SUB CALENDER [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:53:37 EDT From: "Mark Danks" Subject: lasers... With all of this talk flying out about lasers, be careful if you start using ones above 1mW or 1.5mW. That's when they can start to cause serious eye damage. lAtEr dAzE, Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. --------------------------------------------------------------- Art is not a mirror. Art is a hammer. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-unity-tyinu-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Bad press Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 17:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Once again the press around here makes a bad job at reporting the facts (and interviewed promoters do a good job at dishing the scene). Voir, Hour and Mirror all have articles on raves, techno music and smart drugs. Some points from the mirror article (this article is based on an interview with Tiga at Solstice - the most commercial rave to hit the city): -The scene has grown from nothing in one year and will drop as fast [NOT TRUE: Acid party were raves with a different name, and these have been happening since 1988. Tiga wants to make the max dough this summer and wants everybody to believe it'll be over before 1994] -Over half the people at Solstice were on X. The scene is based on drugs. [Again pure bullshit! I cant believe somebody from the scene would say something like that unless he wants to destroy it. There were over 2000 people at Solstice with a huge majority of rave virgins and trendy kids. I seriously doubt they were all Xing...] -The music is violent and drug related [Can we take more of this shit? Of course not. Acid had something to do with drugs. X anthems have something to do with drugs. But most of the music has nothing to do with drugs. It's about rhythm. Rhythm is what makes you move. And in the case of ambient it's about relaxing. Ok, some music is very fast but i even have a 187bpm trance song which is actually quite friendly...] -It's young people rebelling themselves against authority [??????????WHERE??????? ok, the scene is young, but in smaller events the age rise to an average of over 21... We are there to have fun. please leave us alone and dont try to psychanalyse the fact that we dance till breakfast] In Hour it mostly talk about smart drinks and smart drugs and basically tell it's 100% bull and extremely dangerous. Yeah right. In Voir, there is an article by Sylvain Houde (with again an interview with Tiga at Solstice - this event has definitely hurt the scene...). Some points: -The music is important, with drugs beeing close second. [ARRGH! People is the most important factor, the music second with the rest beeing ranked on individual basis] -blahblahblah yeah right i'm tired... anyway i would have entered them but they are extremely long (2 pages each). One point: Houde did his job almost correctly at reporting what was told to him, but he failed to ask to anybody else. And the cherry to top it all? He published the DNA raveline (Tiga answering machine) and said to call there for H2O. Talk about underground... However, in Voir, Nicolas Titley did an excellent article (Chris: i'll give him a copy of your flyer if you want) and did talk about the various smart drugs and of 4 smart drinks usually found in raves here: rise n shine, fast blast and two others. He also talked to some experts but most of them wouldn't talk about smart drugs or drinks. For pharmacologists they simply dont exist (ostritch method). Others say, they know what it can do but warn people of side effects (Canada, land of open minds...). He say at one point that he tried smart drinks and after 3 or 4 felt much better and had enhanced tought process (not sure i translated correctly...). Anyway, it was professionnal journalism at it's best. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 17:46:05 -0400 From: Dan English Subject: elevation ELEVATION through subaquatic basslines and cascading rythms we will find the mansions of heaven and gardens of paradise that lie within each and evryone of us. 3-day mountaintop celebration may 21-23 1993 festivities begin 10pm friday thru sunday line up: scott hardkiss robbie hardkiss onionz dante jason jinx disco dan james christian alx of london wink a place called bliss m-gee 333 denard debo dale charles mayhem osheen jason mouse tiga boy blake and daz mc sweet and low in the village there will be food, loding, tennis, volleyball, swimming pool, petting zoo and more. loding info 18005210536 general info 6174551975 canada tickets and bus 416351 0911 chemistry 4169244625 boston bus mario 6174441422 new york bus scooter 2019272292 fred strong 2124653464 providence deja 5088245890 vermont rachel dodachel 8028608470 tickets 35 entire weekend 20 after saturday 8pm available at boston beat 6175614790 pure pop 8026582652 vinyl mania 2124637120 zootz 2077736979 no tents will be allowed. there is lopdging available for 99 which includes entrance for the weekend. number of packages limited. campin accessible ROAR. there will be ongoing entertainmenmt throughout the weekend. * stay groovy. camper english it ain't easy, being cheesey @buphy.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 18:48:13 -0400 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: midwest raves So many people write to this list asking where to get info about raves happening in the midwest that i think i should post here the info on mw-raves. emanating from ann arbor mi and covering events from des moines to pittsburgh, from detroit to lexington, mw-raves strives to keep people in the groove. to subscribe: mw-raves-request@engin.umich.edu to post: mw-raves@engin.umich.edu or mwraves@engin.umich.edu the weekly calendar _usually_ comes out on tuesdays and the mw-raves meet-while-raving list on thursdays - fred [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: H2O Lifejuice, Montreal, may 1st Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 18:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Montreal, May 1st H2O DJs: Dale Charles Tiga Interchill Lights by pandemonium Tix in advance at Tabou, InBeat and Bunker (514) 933-9041 That's all i know. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 19:09:24 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Raving and School Don't Mix Hey everyone, Just a small observation... I really can not explain it but for some reason it seems as if an extrodinary amount of college students who are ravers are not doing well in school. It is a phenonemon that really has no definate reason i can think of, but it just seems as if raving and school dont mix for a lot of people. If it is just because spending your weekend nights up and the rest of the weekend you are sleeping and then trying to keep up with your work-load, or is it some kind of message that raving delivers to the community as a whole that makes one apathetic to schoolastic workload. Not like you need raving to mess up in school :) doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 19:23:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: 808 etc.. I've noticed a few things for sale on the net recently and thought you might all like to know: Roland TR-808 $500 Roland TR-707 $250 Roland TR-606 $200 _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Apr 1993 19:23:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Andrew Lash" Subject: Rave+school I dont really think it affects it anymore than other distractions. For example its easy to fuck up in school if you mud alot too. But then again, tripping does fuck with your sleep schedule. *shrug* -andy John Andrew Lash H H State University of New York bitnet: H H at Albany JL3683@albnyvms.bitnet H H __ internet: H~~~H/ / "When your bank says 'no' JL3683@gemini.albany.edu H:::H / Champion says 'yes'." /:::::\ --------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Raves and School From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta') Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 19:29:06 EDT I know that it makes me realize just how boring life is, compared to the phantastic sensory input of a rave. I just goto class, etc...no lasers, no 50,000 watts.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta' Io20903@MaIne.mAINe.EdU The U of Maine U.S.A. Make your voice heard, or you will be crushed! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 19:57:50 -0400 From: "a mind and it's ideas" Subject: elevation... I just read in R.U.N. that no tents are going to be allowed at elevation! This *really* pisses me off. People say that they aren't in promotion to scam money off of people then they do things like this! So, now I guess I have to pay the exxxtra bucks for lodging!? I would've enjoyed the weekend or at least I think I would enjoy it more if I could just throw a tent up behind the ol' car and have a good, cheap, fun time! Is this ban of tents for some kind of safety regulation? It really better be, 'cause I'd rather not think that someone was trying to wrench more money out of me by trying to make me pay for lodging too... Oh, well...nothing ever goes too perfectly anyhow :( I guess I could get some info on campgrounds in the area if there's enough interest. It might be fun to get a bunch of ne'ers and others all tenting down somewhere near Smuggler's. What do people say? Chris cmellow@moose.uvm.edu (note: I don't have my WELL account anymore so mail to moose.uvm.edu) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 17:49:26 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: ELEVATION!!!! I can't beleive this is for real.. If I was anywhere near this party I would want to go.Wow! 35 bucks is a STEAL!! -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 21:25:15 -0400 From: "a mind and it's ideas" Subject: Re: ELEVATION!!!! In message <9304220049.AA01979@netcom3.netcom.com> Chris writes: > > I can't beleive this is for real.. If I was anywhere near this party > I would want to go.Wow! 35 bucks is a STEAL!! I know, its a great price for three days of fun, but it just crushed my visions of what the weekend would be like when I heard I couldn't camp there. Hey!!! Scratch all that I've said before :))) I just got a call from a very nice lady who informed me that there's no camping on the "venure itself" but all around it you can pitch a tent or do whatever!! Yeeeaaa :) This will definately make the 12 hour drive from Detroit a little better, knowing that I can stay looooow budget and still have a blast... 'Course I still am asking myself why I want to drive 12 hours to vermont only a week after I'm going to leave for Detroit... Anyway, hope a lot of people make it up to elevation I'll be the guy in the orange tent with a biiiig, biiig smile! Chris cmellow@aol.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "What you take in by visionary experience you must give out by love and intelligence in daily life." -Aldous Huxley [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 21:51:54 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: song question... Hmm i am finding myself worshipping the song "Visions of You" by Jah Wobble's Invaders of the Heart..and the version of Primal Scream's "Higher Than The Sun" that uses it....does anyone know of other mixes that use the music from this song in any way??? or of any dj's that have done anything with it??? Francois has generously offered to make me a mix that incorporates at leat one of these songs.... YAY!!!!! Thank you Francois!!! Love and Frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 19:08:26 -0700 Subject: Re: song question... >Hmm i am finding myself worshipping the song "Visions of You" by Jah Wobble's >Invaders of the Heart..and the version of Primal Scream's "Higher Than The Sun" >that uses it....does anyone know of other mixes that use the music from this >song in any way??? or of any dj's that have done anything with it??? "Higher Than the Sun" came out before "Visions of You", but Jah Wobble did the bass for HTtS so I guess it's close enough. Jah Wobble has a couple other albums out, all in the dub vein... if you like them you might like anything on the ON-U-Sound label (*not* those bogus On-U-Sound megamixes of DM, New Order, Madonna, Prince, et al).... Also, this comes totally out of left field, but wasn't Jah Wobble the bassist for the Sex Pistols? I'm *sure* I'm wrong, but I know he was the bassist for SOME famous early punk band... or was that Youth... *sigh* Oh yeah! Jah Wobble also played the killer bass line on the Blue Room. (duh!) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:25:33 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: Frogs... ok to answer Chris's question and let you all in... i was in this group of people a few years back and this frog, whom we arbitraril -y named Simon, hopped up amongst us...I picked him up and pet him..he really seemed content...If I put him down he would hop closer and wait to be picked up (mind you this is a wild frog/toad in upstate NY)...soon other people wanted to hold him...we kept saying "Simon Loves You" that soon Simon, Simon Loves You, SLY, and anything involving frogs, became symbols of universal acceptance... So "Love and Frogs!!!" is my way of saying that i appreciate you all for who you are. Love and Frogs!!! Neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 22:38:26 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in a manner of speaking) Subject: Re: Raves and School IO> IO> I know that it makes me realize just how boring life is, compared IO> to the phantastic sensory input of a rave. IO> IO> I just goto class, etc...no lasers, no 50,000 watts.... IO> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Something tells me you've got many things backwards. :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 22:55:38 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: fields of joy (Song to Moby's GO) I just got to say......say.......say I just got to say (End of Moby rip off) the Fields of Joy Flyer is way cool and paper conserving, about 4 X 5 inches, and looks like a mushroom jungle and lots of neat colors purples, earth tones, warm skies. If the flyer is any indication of the rave, it'll be a raving good time!!!!!!!!!!! Brendan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22-APR-1993 00:14:31.90 From: KZIMMERMAN@wesleyan.edu Subject: Re: song question... >Also, this comes totally out of left field, but wasn't Jah Wobble the bassist >for the Sex Pistols? I'm *sure* I'm wrong, but I know he was the bassist for >SOME famous early punk band... or was that Youth... *sigh* Yeah... he was bassist for Public Image Ltd. back in the days when they were good ;) he is responsible for making PiL's _Second Edition_ the killer motherfucking album it is. If you like bass, or anything out of the ordinary rhythmically, this album emphasizes it and it's just one sick album. One of those few things I will still listen to once a month at least... Peace. Kreig [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (...) Subject: Re: Raving and School Don't Mix Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 02:27:37 -0400 (EDT) I dunno, I was a bad studen WAYYYY before I every attended a rave :-) I might have gotten a little worse, but not that anyone would notice Oh well, I try to look at it as that much longer I have until I become a corporate drone. uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 02:30 EDT From: HITMAN Subject: Nebula 1-- 4/30 Hello fellow netters....Anyone else who is interested in coming to this event should contact me this week. Either by phone or by email. (617)889-0739 bill. This rave will take place in the Boston area on 4/30 and will run from 10pm-6am. This is also an alcohol free rave. BA [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 11:28:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen M Gagnon Subject: Re: Nebula 1-- 4/30 On Thu, 22 Apr 1993, HITMAN wrote: > > Hello fellow netters....Anyone else who is interested in coming to > this event should contact me this week. Either by phone or by email. > (617)889-0739 bill. This rave will take place in the Boston area > on 4/30 and will run from 10pm-6am. This is also an alcohol free rave. > > > BA Hello, Just thought you should know that (NEBULA) was the name Scott Richmond has been using for his New York Raves for sometime He is holding (Nebula 4) this weekend and is already planning (Nebula 5) Perhaps you should consider another name for your project. It was just a thought, so as not to cause a misunderstanding. Well, Peace & E-X-treem Happiness! Stephen (Pandemonium!) Over and out! Bye [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Apr 93 11:38:00 EST From: "John Speakman" Subject: Re: Jah Wobble >Hmm i am finding myself worshipping the song "Visions of You" by Jah Wobble's Wobble was a dubwise geezer from London way back when and then joined Public Image with Johnny Lydon, ex Johnny Rotten, Sex Pistol. When he split with Public Image he did some weird collaboration stuff with various people in the mid 80s before alcohol diverted his life from show biz and he spent a couple of years working on the Underground (subway) in London. He got his act together a bit about '89 and did some session work with old mates Alex and Thrash (the Orb) and Adrian Sherwood (On-U guru), including the Primal Scream thing. He also formed Invaders of the Heart who did one album that nobody bought and then the new one last year "Rising above bedlam" which is a pretty mellow affair (has Visions of you on it, and Bomba, which had a rave mix done by someone or other last year) and I can recommend especially to those with a fondness for rumbling basslines. John, trying not to sound like a muso journo. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 11:39:41 +0501 (EDT) From: Greg Beckham Subject: Re: elevation... i believe the reason that they're not allowing tents is because the proprietors of the lodge probably made the no tent rule a stipulation for renting the place to have the rave in the first place.... peace --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - greg beckham - - - internet: gregbec@gibbs.oit.unc.edu - - - phone : 919-914-4702 - rave on! - - snail : 7 teague hall - - - unc-chapel hill - - - chapel hill, nc 27514 - - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 11:33:12 EDT From: 'Pea Subject: Come 2 Oith Day! Hey ravers! I'm going to be at EARTH DAY in Providence tomorrow. I want you to be there, too. I'm just worried that few will show up, and that even fewer will travel to it, since I've been to a few pretty sparse events up here in the biggest little state in the union. So I'm strongly encouraging you to come. Spinners will include 333, MG, and James Christian. EBN is performing (they're really interesting to watch), and so is my friend Grace, who makes really good music (kinda gothic techno/ industrial). Anyway, just trust it. This'll be good shit. I'm also looking forward to meeting some of you (well, not just an exclusive 'some of you', but I mean all of you that are there) now that I've got my stupid-fresh badge. See ya! 'Pea ce 'n' grease. 'Pea [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 11:57:17 -0400 From: Dan English Subject: Re:Elevation!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: ELEVATION!!!! In message <9304220049.AA01979@netcom3.netcom.com> Chris writes: > of what the weekend would be like when I heard I couldn't camp there. Hey!!! Scratch all that I've said before :))) I just got a call from a very nice lady who informed me that there's no camping on the "venure itself" but all around it you can pitch a tent or do whatever!! Yeeeaaa :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- yeah, the reason for no camping is cause its on a ski slope, and i am sure the owners dont weant tent stake holes in the mountain. the people putting on this rave are VERY cool, excellent, fun poeple. support them! -camper. * stay groovy. camper english it ain't easy, being cheesey @buphy.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 12:02:09 -0400 From: Dan English Subject: school and raving [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] IO> IO> I know that it makes me realize just how boring life is, compared IO> to the phantastic sensory input of a rave. IO> IO> I just goto class, etc...no lasers, no 50,000 watts.... IO> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Something tells me you've got many things backwards. -john ----------------------------------------------------------------------- i have done much better in school since i started raving. i am a physics major and i go out four nights a week plus ususally one rave a week. i have found that raving makes me happier in my life, so that i can get through the things i dont find as fun. also, i try to do well in school cause i know it will get me a better job so that i will have more money to rave more. also, school helps me get a better p[erspectyive on raving in my humanities classes. i plan to write a sociological viewpoint of the rave scene, for my own personal fufillment. i think that you have to always be aware of what you are doing. analyze everythging. if you are just raving cause you like a party, then know it. if you are raving cause you wish the world was a little more like a rave, then know it, and work to effect change. RAVE YOUR REALITY! -camper. * stay groovy. camper english it ain't easy, being cheesey @buphy.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 11:57:17 -0400 From: Dan English Subject: Re:Elevation!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: ELEVATION!!!! In message <9304220049.AA01979@netcom3.netcom.com> Chris writes: > of what the weekend would be like when I heard I couldn't camp there. Hey!!! Scratch all that I've said before :))) I just got a call from a very nice lady who informed me that there's no camping on the "venure itself" but all around it you can pitch a tent or do whatever!! Yeeeaaa :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- yeah, the reason for no camping is cause its on a ski slope, and i am sure the owners dont weant tent stake holes in the mountain. the people putting on this rave are VERY cool, excellent, fun poeple. support them! -camper. * stay groovy. camper english it ain't easy, being cheesey @buphy.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "J. J. Larrea" Subject: Re: pen lasers Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) The following manufacturer makes numerous solid-state visible diode-laser modules, with integrated optics and power supply, including one which is about 1/2 the size of an AAA battery. They also make pen lasers. I can't vouch for the company, and I don't know how expensive their products are, but it might be informative to get a catalog and pricelist from them, Taylor: Applied Laser Systems 2160 N.W. Vine Street Grants Pass, OR 97526 Vox: (503) 474-6560 Fax: (503) 476-5105 Good luck J.J. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Krusty's (Can't get enuf!! Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 22:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Jaffe Everything said aboutKrusty's mostly sums it up for me, except for afew little oddities. THe first thing that caught me oof guard wsa, of all things, a CONGA line. In the hardcore room, in the middle of a song, a long line of people started circleing the dance floor in a conga line. It was one of the absolute weirdest things I have ever seen at a rave. Oh well, I guess everyone has fun in there own special ways. The maze was a lot a fun. We walked in and heard the hardcore after walking around, then we spent a while wondering around following the music looking for the room...that's when we ran into Laura. Sorry about missing your set, it was kickin' at Sunshine, so I'm sure it was groovy cool on Sat. night as well. Hopefully, if everything goes off right, Inhuman, me, and about 300 of our closest friends will get a private performance:):):):):):). Another little problem was the slimy paint walls. Oh well, nothing perfect, but Duncan sure did a hell of a job trying. Thanks Duncan!!! later, peace! (increase it) -ben -- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 13:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: in the new republic... from the new republic for may 3, 1993... in andrew sullivan's "miami diarist" column... Moodfood [...] Coinciding with the contemporary discovery that everything cheesy from the late 1950s is actually a work of art, the shopping mall along Lincoln Road now exists in a tenuously ironized zone, its kosher delis jostling next to Ross Bleckner exhibitions and smart-drink bars, its aquarium-blue fountains spurting through quotation marks. [...] One solution to the spiritual problem (suggested and practiced by many others) is a pair of Rollerblades and a Sony Walkman, playing the kind of New Age disco the Ocean Drivers have popularized. My own recommended South Beach combo is swift consumption of a smart-drink --- Memory Fuel or Fast Blast are the best, a blend of suitably scientific-sounding amino acids and vitamins --- and a long aural medication of Moodswing's new album, _MoodFood_, on the Walkman. (quoted without permission) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: OPEN AIR From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 10:26:00 -0500 -> > Whqat kind of permits would be needed to have a rave in the open -> air? > if any? I dont think fire marshal would have to check the -> place for fire > exists! hehe... -> -> The only thing you should really be concerned about is whether or not -> you are trespassing. If you don't think anyone will notice your -> trespass, then don't worry about it. -> -> > Can I just find a government owned lot and at 11pm set up all the > -> audio/lighting/video equipment and have a rave? -> -> This is what I did last August. It was a large parking area off the -> side of the road in the mountains here. I just had a sound system -> and a generator. It remains my favorite rave that I've thrown to -> date. We're doing another outdoor one this next weekend with a -> similar setup. -> -> Lights in the outdoors are fairly extraneous if you have a good sky. -> Sell LOTS of glow products, they look great. I ran out of them in -> August. That is great! phew and I thought it would be hard to do an open air rave...well then I'd better get my ass in gear and start planning one! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 14:51:31 EDT From: snipet@uci0.mitre.org (Henry M. Hughes) Subject: Sorry, one more thing ... Will in-line skating be allowed at Fields of Joy? I've skated some other raves but I'm not sure if I'm pissing people off (e.g. the owners, producers, fans, etc.) Trying to have a good time, respectfully - Hank ... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 14:47:06 EDT From: snipet@uci0.mitre.org (Henry M. Hughes) Subject: Rollerblades & Techno ... Pieces of my life are spent living on Rollerblades! Some people don't recognize me without them. Anyway, I've found that nothing's better for my skating pleasure than techno. By the way, if anyone is interested in skating. Some friends and I set up speakers and slalom course for skate (board, inline or traditional) on Memorial drive every Sunday. We are the only group certified in New England to offer lessons - any NE-Ravers stop by FOR FREE of course... Then you can experience some more adrenalin by shooting hills/mount- ains like Arlington Heights along route 2, Summit avenue in Brookline, or better yet Okemo (sp?) in Vermont! Surfin the tar - Hank ... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: Re: Krusty's (Can't get enuf!! Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 14:52:15 -0500 : Everything said aboutKrusty's mostly sums it up for me, except for : afew little oddities. THe first thing that caught me oof guard wsa, of : all things, a CONGA line. In the hardcore room, in the middle of a song, : a long line of people started circleing the dance floor in a conga line. : It was one of the absolute weirdest things I have ever seen at a rave. Oh : well, I guess everyone has fun in there own special ways. That was fun as shit! My friend Heather (dc-raver) and I jumped in as soon as it started. Let me tell you, it was the fastest moving conga line I've ever seen. You pretty much had to grab the person in front of you and run! Since I'm typing, I might as well add my thoughts about Krusty's II: The preparation for this event was a little more hectic than last time. By the time I got to Krusty's (around 9:45pm) I still had a lot to do. Apologies to Laura and Rob C. for appearing distant. I didn't mean to blow you guys off. Once things got under way, I don't think I left the chill out room until 12:30am when Laura relieved me. I pretty much zoned out and lost all sense of time. It was fun, though! I headed to the main floor, absorbed a little hardcore, did the conga thing, and went back to play some more music in the chill out room. I'm glad everyone enjoyed the music. My intention was to complement the hardcore playing in the main room. Personally, I prefer to dance to hardcore but wanted to offer an alternative to those that didn't. Besides, trance and tribal are a lot of fun, too. Thanks to Duncan for throwing the rave. Quality events that will be sorely missed. Hopefully we'll see something this coming summer. Paul -- enzo@virginia.edu beloved@virginia.edu "I'm so high." - Eden Transmission psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 15:18:09 -0400 From: "a mind and it's ideas" Subject: Re: Rollerblades & Techno ... In message <9304221847.AA26040@uci0.mitre.org> Henry M. Hughes writes: > > By the way, if anyone is interested in skating. Some friends and > I set up speakers and slalom course for skate (board, inline or traditional) > on Memorial drive every Sunday. We are the only group certified in New > England to offer lessons - any NE-Ravers stop by FOR FREE of course... > > Then you can experience some more adrenalin by shooting hills/mount- > ains like Arlington Heights along route 2, Summit avenue in Brookline, or > better yet Okemo (sp?) in Vermont! > Yeah, I almost died while rollerblading down the continental divide in colorado this last summer. My friend was living in silverthorn and he suggested that we throw some techno in our walk(mans? men?) anyway, I fell pretty bad and I thought the last sounds I was going to hear were going to be the Smart E's?! Chris cmellow@moose.uvm.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Rollerblades & Techno ... From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 15:30:17 EDT Pieces of my life are spent living on Rollerblades! Some people don't recognize me without them. Anyway, I've found that nothing's better for my skating pleasure than techno. Surfin the tar - Hank ... I also enjoy skating to techno -- on *real* roller skates however! The best venue for the type of roller skating I do is the Roxy on Wednesdays in Manhattan. Another techno skater, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 17:14:20 EDT From: Monica Tauriello Subject: re: raving and school don't mix i'm currently a student and i'm doing pretty well, but then again, i haven't raved since march...i think school and raves are hard to mix predominately because of the time factor - the staying up all weekend and then trying to catch up on sleep and THEN the schoolwork, as doug suggested... and then if you have a job, it's even harder...i was able to rave a lot more and do my schoolwork at the univ. of sussex in england, cuz the raves i went to were predominately on campus, every 2 weeks, so i could just finish my work or whatever at 2am and walk over...course, i did go to a few classes coming down... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 17:17:30 EDT From: Monica Tauriello Subject: more on raves & skool actually, sometimes i get really intellectually stimulated after raving - it:s like i've been exercising my body all night and grooving on sensual experiences and then my mind craves intellectual thought...like after the past few raves i had an overwhelming desire to read literary theory... monicat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 17:31:27 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Pre Joy If you're interested in a pre-rave, let me know. If there's enough interest, I may have one. Too, if you're already having one, let me know, too. :) Brendan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 11:11:40 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Fields of Joy Can someone tell me where this Rave is and/or where I can get tickets and a map???????I can't find my damn flyer!!!!!!!! Thanx Safety and Love Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Apr 1993 19:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: TGROMAK@delphi.com Subject: More Jah Jah Wobble performed on a release by Ginger Baker (former Cream drummer) a few years back called "Middle Passage". It was one of the best thing's I'd heard in a while, very powerful and exotic, and the bass was some of the most incredible work I've ever heard. I wonder if that was ever sampled? Some parts were pretty much just dry, booming, awesome, Jah Wobble bass. Yeeow! That stuff would be great in any tune, I think. --TOm *-Phat but Phrendly-* *-Om mani padme hum-* ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. "Dance was originally a psychedelic way of expressing yourself...a way of getting high. Body movements can get you grooving with your internal energies...and the dance itself can be a wild, ecstatic, turn on."._._._ ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Dr. Timothy Leary, from_._._._._._._._._. _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ Origins of Dance 12", The Grid_._._._._._ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Raving and School Don't Mix Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 19:21:28 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i'm not doing well in school for 2 main reasons-in order... 1) for the past six months that i have been seriously raving (every weekend) i have found a quality in myself that i really enjoy. i am extremely happier as a person, and have a much better outlook on life. my ideas and values have changed. the result of all of this, is that school (or at least what i am learning) is no longer of any interest to me, i've no motivation toward it, and really could care less. i know that i have a great opportunity in my hands here, and that if i want a comfortable life in the future, i should definitely take advantage of it, but school just isn't one of my priorities. without school, i'd have nowhere to live, so i am maintaining the minimum academics to stay in school, but you'll not find in me any of the competitiveness or drive that can be found in the thousands of clueless, lifeless geniuses that surround me. 2) when i go to events, or anywhere where i can dance all night, i really put every piece of my spirit and bodyt into it. i'm always there at the beginning, and the last to leave, and i dance as hard as i can the entire time. this is all that i like to do. it's my sole (soul) joy in life. as a result, it takes a lot out of me, as can be evideced by the fact that i've also been constantly sick for the last six months with everything from strepp throat, to bronchitis, and head colds inbetween. in the last six monthes i've been on crutches from sprained ankles twice, and had to stay in a hospital from stomach and intestinal viruses twice. it's a very self-destructive life-style. school has definitely been effected by my lack of energy during the weekdays. but i don't care. for me, it's all worth it. oh, i pinched a nerve in my left foot two weeks ago, and haven't been able to feel my toes since... and so my academics suffer. shannon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Rob Cook Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 20:12:17 EDT Subject: raves and school On Apr 22, 7:55pm, SHALAKO (technokachina) wrote: > Subject: Re: Raving and School Don't Mix > i'm not doing well in school for 2 main reasons-in order... > but school just isn't one of my priorities. without school, i'd > have nowhere to live, so i am maintaining the minimum academics to stay in > school, but you'll not find in me any of the competitiveness or drive that > can be found in the thousands of clueless, lifeless geniuses that surround > me. > shannon > -- End of excerpt from SHALAKO (technokachina) WHOA.... this sounds like some kind of addiction that i would see on a show like Geraldo or Oprah.... i think its great that you have found something you really enjoy, but raving is supposed to be fun... not a painful addictive activity. i hope you continue to enjoy raving, but take care of yourself. rob c. rlc2h@virginia.edu "remember that life is strange, and life keeps getting stranger everyday" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Dimitri Kieffer Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 18:07:05 PDT Subject: Raves in Europe ? I am going for three weeks in Europe in May ( Dublin, London, Munich, Bonn, Hamburg, Paris) and I want to be able to go there to some Raves. Can one of you let me know how I could get some info either via emails or phone/fax numbers ? Appreciate your help, thanks Dimitri Btw, you should drop by Seattle raves once, it starts moving in the Northwest... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 22:19:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: HOOKUP-O-MATIC ========================================================================== HOOKUP-O-MATIC FOR 4/24 4/25 ========================================================================== Okay boys and girls, here is the HOM for this weekend. As well as the scheduled events, there will be a substantial number of us at the GLB march on washington DC sunday. Be good. - Fluid ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, April 24th Boston, Ma FIELDS OF JOY INFO# (617) 629 0777 DJs| Robbie Hardkiss (SF), Debo (Boston), Onionz (LI), TinTin (UK), Jason Jinx (NY). Camper (CAMPER@buphy.bu.edu) U.F.Orb (FUZZBOX@world.std.com) *glowing Orb shirt Brendan (MCDOUGAL@jensen.cc.brandeis.edu) + Leslie, Anke, & Anna :) Dave Hardy (DAVEH@mitvmc.mit.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Saturday, April 24th Baltimore, MD ULTRAWORLD 6: TEMPLE OF MOTION INFO# (410) 563 7880 DJs| Ryde (NY), DJ Trance (LA), DJ Sun (Ultraworld), Entity (Ultraworld), Dante (Evolution), Wash (Atomic Vibe), Frankie Hartung (DC). Fluid (BRIT@ravel.udel.edu) *new ne-raves badge Fran (FRAN@ravel.udel.edu) The Hwyman (HWYMAN@wam.umd.edu) *UMRaveCoalition badge ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sunday, April 25th Pittsburgh, PA DIESELBOYS HOUSE: 100% PURE PREMIUM BREAKCORE FLAVOR INFO# 245 Semple Street Mr Sparkle (KZIMMERMAN@eagle.wesleyan.edu) *somethin' hawwdcore! ApplePie (ST93335Z@pip.cc.brandeis.edu) Satan (SATAN@hell.die.die.die.edu) John Crowley (????) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ RIDES DESPERATELY NEEDED!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Susie K (SK2479A@American.edu) TO| UMPre-Rave FROM| American U. Doug Zimmerman (DZ5401A@American.edu) + Jetta! :) TO| Ultraworld 6 FROM| American U. (I think we might need a ride too...) Fluid + Fran (BRIT@Ravel.udel.edu) TO| Ultraworld 6 FROM| American U. Will-E (PEREZ@andromeda.rutgers.edu) TO| Nebula 4 FROM| Rutgers Chris (CONLON@mail.tva.com) (703.715.8924) TO| Ultraworld 6 FROM| Rockville, MD. Mel-zo-rama (MELZIE@wam.umd.edu) TO| Ultraworld 6 FROM| UMD **-Raver909 has space for two from Pittsburgh to Spaced Out in Cleveland. Contact| RAVER909@telerama.pgh.pa.us -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Liquid love... --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 00:08:47 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: Raving and School don't mix Shannon, you're a nice guy and all, but grow up. Raving is NOT REALITY. Raving is NOT A REFUGE FROM REALITY. Raving is something fun to do on the weekends. If these colors don't look right to you, you are not in touch with reality anymore. The only people for whom raving should be their entire life are the people who support themselves off it as a business. If you can't handle college now, then take a year or two off (it worked for me). If you just want to run away from responsibility and being asked to work to your potential, it's your life -- don't expect sympathy from people, though. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|-/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner <<>> cutter@cs.umb.edu |hypnodrone-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu \/ 617/527-3957 | fegmaniax-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu It's the sound of the satellite sayin' "get me down". [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: 45-6 vs 33 ++++ From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta') Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 03:11:51 EDT I just played a set on the air of some old techno.acid stuff I discovered that I liked it better at 45--6 than at 33! I wonder if this is becuase the bt was faster or what,.,.,but It is cool. I was thinking about DJs at Grin, I like that way they avoided putting songs together in the usual way, they almost teased you... a drum, keyboard, then a little more, some samples.....finally a beeeeeeat! I guess that's what makes them cutting edge! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta' Io20903@MaIne.mAINe.EdU The U of Maine U.S.A. Make your voice heard, or you will be crushed! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 08:45:40 -0400 From: cx164@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew Hupert) Subject: skool and your brain yo kids!!!!!!! personally , as a perennial student, whos been doin the acid dance for some 17 years, in all kinds of locals with all kinds of music from the haRDest hardcore, to the punkiest punk, to the spaciest dead, and filled with acid tests, goan nights, and fun.. u dont HAVE to fuck up your schooling in order to party hard frequently and furiously on the other hand, if school doesnt turn u on, if you get no buzz from what u are learning, either stop, or better yet, learn something differnt, or wait til another time. whatever it is u do, dont blame the raves, and dont blame the charas- you control your brain, and what u do and think....raves dont get in the way of school...you get in your own way, or not. raving, like the acid tests and dead tours that preceded them in this niche, can spark your mind, and increase your intelligence and learning, if you let it. The psychadelic state is not an escape, its a way to open your mind further, to perceive more fully, and to learn inner and outer realities more clearly..... this holds true no matter if the state is chemically induced, ritually induced,mechanically/electronically induced, or you just danced your ass off....... if you want to you can use this state to move yourself more forward, ever upward ever onward.... dont hide behind a rave.....surf it... use its momentum to push yourself forward, open wider, seeing deeper seems to me that we are all better off when we do things that open us up, not shut us down - seems to be part of the point of a less-alcholoic, more psychadelic smart drug not stupid lifestyle the raves imply. semper altus excelsior turn on ]tune in take over peace matthew -- cx164@cleveland.freenet.edu free your mind planet spins..... and your ass ....so do I will follow booom mahadev [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:19 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Fields of Joy Jackie wrote: >Can someone tell me where this Rave is and/or where I can get tickets >and a map???????I can't find my damn flyer!!!!!!!! >Thanx >Safety and Love > Jackie of JackieandJulie > A copy of this flyer was included in the rave-o-matic Doug posted on Tuesday. Try looking at the Rave-O-Matic and calling the info numbers given there. Doug isn't doing the large amount of work of putting out the Rave-O-Matic every week for his own health you know, it's meant to provide info to everyone on ne-raves about all the raves we can find out about in the North East. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:41:03 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Fields of Joy i'm new to the list, so i wasnt sure how the hom list worked...but anyhow, I will be going to Fields of Joy, once i get my ticket (today...yay!). Anyhow, you can recognize me by what I'll be wearing: a yellow Hertz rent-a- car jumpsuit, and maybe a hat (either baseball or a sock hat w/ a Blade Runner patch on it). I don't have a badge yet. I may have my camera with me. Soooooo...if you see me, say hi, i'll give you a pixie stick or something. I'm not exactly sure what the neraves badges look like, so i'll probably be staring at everyone's neck tomorrow night lookin for people. Oh yeah, I'm about 5'5, dark short hair. That should help. (I could say I'm devastatingly handsome, but....) Well, hope to meet some of you tomorrow night. Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 11:37:31 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: PRE-JOY I heard DEBO spinning last night at Venus. HOT f***ing hot. Fields of Joy is going to be a blast. I met some very cool people. Dave with his table selling his Primary Production wares. Scott, who Leslie and I danced with. Great feelings from the tech crowd there. Though I wish the drunk and the hairspray crowd would blow away into Avalon. Fields of JoY pre-party at Leslie's in Cambridge. Looks like it'll be a good size group. I'll post directions later today as I'm at work now. The pre-party is very near Harvard Square--in one of those cool Victorian's. Fields of Joy is about a 20min-30 min ride south on 93 to Dorchester. More later Brendan MC phd wanna-be in the house [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: 45-6 vs 33 ++++ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 11:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta': > > I just played a set on the air of some old techno.acid stuff > I discovered that I liked it better at 45--6 than at 33! I wonder if > this is becuase the bt was faster or what,.,.,but It is cool. It's just that you can feel now that it is slower than more recent stuff. For a long time 118bpm was a reference in dance music, then 125, but now 140 is quite common, with breakbeat in the 150 bpm territory and some experiences in 160, 170 and 180 bpm (and there is trance up there too!). > I was thinking about DJs at Grin, I like that way they avoided putting songs > together in the usual way, they almost teased you... > a drum, keyboard, then a little more, some samples.....finally a beeeeeeat! That's how the song are built. Sometimes it's cool to layer them... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: John Shiple Subject: Boston Globe... Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 12:57:01 EDT Hey everyone, Check out Wednesday's Boston Globe...in the Living Section (pretty sure it's the living section), look at the bottome of the page. There's a fashion section that deals with Raves and rave headgear and stuff...it's got some good photos taken from the Loft. I don't know any of the newer members of this list, but I recognize Shannon in one of the pictures, and inside (where the article continues) there's a picture of doug katz--i've never met him, but I'm sure i saw him a few days ago somewhere because i totally recognize his hat and face for some reason. So check it out... -john KNEE-raver and THESIS-boy rolled into one and techno-injected rollerblading monster "i think i will bring my blades to the next rave i attend" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.att.com Subject: Re: Raving and School Don't Mix Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:54:13 -0400 (EDT) > i dance as hard as i can the entire time. this is all that i like > to do. it's my sole (soul) joy in life. "We used drugs to expand our minds, not to escape reality!" -Robbie Krieger to Jim Morrison And it's the same reason I rave. Being in school myself (for the last 13+ years) I understand fully about the clueless, lifeless geniuses. Being at AT&T, I also under- stand clueless, lifeless yuppies. But if I'm going to rise above that, it won't be by being a clueless, lifeless raver. Raving reminds me that there's more to life than taking tests, and acquiring condos and BMWs. But, it's far from the *only* thing beyond all that. Raving can't hope to take the place of: 1. Curling up on the sofa on Sunday nights with my best friends, eating pizza and watching Deep Space Nine. 2. Rollerblading in Central Park or hiking in Central America. 3. Leaving the crossfader in the middle for three minutes without having to touch anything. 4. Howling, sweat-drenched, simultaneous orgasms. If I didn't have a list like this, and I found that raving was causing lots of damage I forced myself to endure or ignore, I'd take a good hard look at it, keeping in mind the definition of addiction. -Ed SLiP "back out when it's over" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 12:50:20 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: DJ's I've noticed before (before I came on this list) that a lot of ravers tend to place a lot of emphasis on the DJ and not as much on the music. What I mean is , I often hear, "His/her set was awewsome" or something to that effect, and comments on how fast the DJ's music was. But...the dj had nothing to do with i t. Granted, the dj picks the songs and mixes them (most mix them quite well) and controls the mood, but I find that many people fail to realize that the dj did not make the music. I don't know if this is because of lack of knowlege about what a dj at a rave does, or...what. I'm having this argument (dj's versus music) with my friend sarah (from poughkeepsie) of up north prod. I myself used to be a dj (mostly pop house, some nrg-type, rap), so I know what the job entails. I think I may be a little vague, but I was wondering what everyone thinks about this topic. I'd like to hear from you. In the meantime, stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen M Gagnon Subject: Re: DJ's Well Joe, The DJ's do create the music they play! A disk jockey of old would take one disc and mix it with another perhaps even beat mix it, however todays Rave DJ's Create music with other peoples discs. a snipit of music here a lifted bass line there a bit of piano, perhaps some vocal then more beat etc... it is a layering and beat mixing technique that varies greatly from one DJ to another, they all have their own style and sense of hummor about how they mix. And when the DJ is full on with the mix it is a beautiful thing to behold! So I beg to differ th DJ's do matter a great deal! take 4 Rave DJ's give them the same 20 discs and an hour to spin and you will end up with 4 totaly different sets of music! It's called Turntable Terror! Peace, Love & Ecstacy! Stephen (Pandemonium!) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: DJ's Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 13:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of Joe Pitassi: > > I've noticed before (before I came on this list) that a lot of ravers tend to > place a lot of emphasis on the DJ and not as much on the music. What I mean is > , I often hear, "His/her set was awewsome" or something to that effect, and Which means: "this DJ made good selections and mixed them well". > But...the dj had nothing to do with it I beg to differ... the DJ has got everything to do with it. In 5 minutes i can layer up to 10 songs and samples so i do consider this making music. I also do remixes and do original material, so i do think what i say. Most of the songs are done in studios with a lot of computer equipment... nothing to be amazed really hard there... but DJs do take several average songs and build something interesting with it. > Granted, the dj picks the songs and mixes them (most mix them quite well) > and controls the mood, but I find that many people fail to realize that the >dj did not make the music. I don't know if this is because of lack of knowlege No, it's because it's hard to tell when a song starts or finishes. I have made mixes to give to some other DJs to know what they tought and in some case people tought i had mixed some songs but i didn't even played them, while in other case they tought that at some point it was the same song, but it had changed. And these are DJs... So, imagine people who are not! > about what a dj at a rave does, or...what. I'm having this argument (dj's > versus music) with my friend sarah (from poughkeepsie) of up north prod. Hey! *I* am up north! Raving Up North to be exact... :) > I myself used to be a dj (mostly pop house, some nrg-type, rap), so I know > what the job entails. Then my points wont come to you as surprises... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 13:26 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: DJ's >place a lot of emphasis on the DJ and not as much on the music. What I mean is >, I often hear, "His/her set was awewsome" or something to that effect, and >comments on how fast the DJ's music was. But...the dj had nothing to do with i >t. This, Joe, is what some of us refer to as "the cult of DJ worship." And it's actually rather sickening. >Granted, the dj picks the songs and mixes them (most mix them quite well) >and controls the mood, but I find that many people fail to realize that the >dj did not make the music. I don't know if this is because of lack of knowlege > about what a dj at a rave does, or...what. I don't think it's quite that bad. People do realize that the DJ didn't write the music, but since there's no band there to kiss up to and otherwise worship they go on about the human being they do see, the DJ. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 13:22:06 -0400 From: dammira1@cc.swarthmore.edu Subject: colour box II anybody planning on going raving tonight in Philly? Any ideas if this will be a worthwhile function? I don't really recognize many of the DJ names and wonder how large it will be. I've never been to any raves in Philly and am somewhat dubious, but some friends and I might go anyway. Nick A. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: DJ's Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 12:03:03 -0600 (MDT) > I've noticed before (before I came on this list) that a lot of ravers tend to > place a lot of emphasis on the DJ and not as much on the music. What I mean is > , I often hear, "His/her set was awewsome" or something to that effect, and > comments on how fast the DJ's music was. But...the dj had nothing to do with i > t. Granted, the dj picks the songs and mixes them (most mix them quite well) > and controls the mood, but I find that many people fail to realize that the > dj did not make the music. I think that it is fairly obvious to anyone present that the DJ is not making the music. However, there are DJs who are artists, and there are DJs who are jukeboxes. You can either wait for music to slide into your local music chain, or you can actively pursue rare stuph. It is a lot of work to put together a set that is fresh, interesting, and actually moves. Not a lot of people who call themselves "DJs" are willing to put forth that effort. ANYONE can beat-match, it is isn't that big of a deal. Write down the bpms, do some simple math if they don't match, and practice throwing the beats together. However, to put together an intelligent, different set, takes a certain amount of creativity. A few people on this list have been complaining that many DJs they've seen recently do nothing but well-done segues. I've seen this before at big raves around the country as well. However, once you see a decent DJ really rip it up, you begin to understand why they develop followings. I think with the amount of excitement over artists like Aphex Twin, Lenny D, Orb, Orbital, 808, etc, that people fully realize who created the actual music. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 14:04:02 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Re: Undeliverable Mail > >On Fri, 23 Apr 1993 13:15:55 -0400 (EDT) you said: >>Well Joe, >>The DJ's do create the music they play! >>A disk jockey of old would take one disc and mix it with another >>perhaps even beat mix it, however todays Rave DJ's Create music >>with other peoples discs. a snipit of music here a lifted bass line > > When I was djing, we would make our own remixes. It wasnt a simple >radio type of mix where one song would fade out while another one would >come in. We had beat matching, sampling, and remixing, just as rave >dj's do. > >>there a bit of piano, perhaps some vocal then more beat etc... >>it is a layering and beat mixing technique that varies greatly from > > Much of this layering is inherent in the songs themselves. The dj utilizes >this fact to his or her advantage as a place to mix or sample. That's >what it's designed for. > >>one DJ to another, they all have their own style and sense of hummor >>about how they mix. And when the DJ is full on with the mix it is a > > I don't deny DJ's individuality. Nor do I deny their importance at a rave >as moodmakers and vehicles for the music. The dj is in control. There are >some wonderful dj's out that string together and mix quite well. > >>beautiful thing to behold! So I beg to differ th DJ's do matter a great >>deal! take 4 Rave DJ's give them the same 20 discs and an hour to spin > >Yes, it is a good thing to see a DJ get really into the music. But wouldn't >you expect as much from a singer or a poet or even the mechanic that works >on your volkswagen? Good dj's won't give halfhearted efforts, and good djs >show their pride visibly. No argument there. > >>and you will end up with 4 totaly different sets of music! > Give 4 photographers the same subject and you'll end up with an infinite >number of portraits. Everyone's different. I know all dj's are not the same. >>It's called Turntable Terror! >> >>Peace, Love & Ecstacy! >> >>Stephen (Pandemonium!) >> >> > Perhaps we need to remember that the Dj relies on the music. The music exists >on it's own whether or not a dj puts it in a mix. It is already music, in it's >present state, as it comes off of a disk, in other words. When the dj creates, >s/he is making music out of music, or, is replaying what already is. The same >can be said of an orchestra peforming a concerto. The music already existed on >it's own. The orchestra may interpret it in it's own way or style (as a dj >does). So did they create the music? Nebulous. >Perhaps, what my point is, is that behind the creation that the dj has made, >there is the music. And that music wasn't born when the dj put the needle to >the record. RSVP. Stay fresh, kids! >-JP3 sorry 'bout the wierd text, i had a mailing problem. PS- I didn't mean to kick the beehive. Call me a rabble rouser! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 13:57 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: DJ's Stephen writes: >The DJ's do create the music they play! >A disk jockey of old would take one disc and mix it with another >perhaps even beat mix it, however todays Rave DJ's Create music >with other peoples discs. a snipit of music here a lifted bass line >there a bit of piano, perhaps some vocal then more beat etc... >it is a layering and beat mixing technique that varies greatly from >one DJ to another, they all have their own style and sense of hummor >about how they mix. This describes the only DJs who are truly worthy of the title. So even taking into account my previous remarks on DJ worship, Stephen has a very valid point there. The rest of us are all just playing records . . . . Still, without the musicians who write the music to begin with, there would be nothing for the DJs to play with. BOTH parts are very important, and I think it's a shame that it's sometimes the DJs who get all the glory (and all the money). It seems *to me* that the DJs get often get so much more credit than the musicians, though. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23 Apr 1993 14:15:12 -0500 (EST) From: LAIBACH@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU Subject: ID hey all does anyone know the name and hopefully record label of the techno song that samples "Take on ME" by A-HA. The aha video features the cartoons thanks a lot bye alvin lin aka Laibach [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 14:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: DJ's --- and making music On Fri, 23 Apr 1993, Francois Dion wrote: > I beg to differ... the DJ has got everything to do with it. In 5 minutes i can > layer up to 10 songs and samples so i do consider this making music. I also > do remixes and do original material, so i do think what i say. Most of the > songs are done in studios with a lot of computer equipment... nothing to be > amazed really hard there... but DJs do take several average songs and build > something interesting with it. oh come on, francois. :P you make the great point that DJing is a form of making music and turn around and cut "computer" stuff as being easy? it may be a different kind of skill and a different approach to music-making, but that doesn't make it any less valuable or difficult... just popping up and reminding... mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 14:28 EDT From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Subject: Die Schulen und Der Ravung hey Shannon, im sorry but your viewpoint is really fucked. Look, raves are fun, the music is awesome, dancing is great, but there's alot more to life than just raves, like basically Ed put it. Some things just cant be done in a dingy warehouse with deafening hardcore in the background. My adventure with school was at Wesleyan to hate school my first year, then get really caught up with raving last summer, and then return to school and feel isolated from all that. This was all perception. I finally dropped out last October cuz otherwise i woulda got thrown out, believin i could do a life of raves and minimum wage jobs and be happy. Well FUCK THAT SHIT! =) First, with out a college degree (or trade school or anything like me) your job opportunities are pretty limited (i.e. "Would you like any fries with that, Ma'am?") Second, if you really think about it, there's a lot of time in a day. It is possible to keep up on schoolwork and still rave every weekend, like Camper. Maybe less time spent on vrave... I'm glad i dropped out becuz it changed my perspective. On one end, yeah college is a gravy train of sorts and that's cool, but that shouldn't be your only reason fro goingg... hell Shannon, leave school, get a shit job, and apartment in Dorchester, and do all the shit you want... but i warn you, mimimun wage job hours suck, they interfere with stuff easily. Then you'll realize you've got a brain you wanna educate and fill with knowledge. You'll wanna drop science like butterfinggers! I would love to get collegge done in the mercenary aspect, cuz you will be able to get a decent job hopefully doing what you want and have much more money to rave... cool thing. Besides, there's just other things to do. There are shows, jazz clubs, whatever... Well fuck this is rambling. I dont care. You has your fun, but when you turn it into a job, Shannon, is it really fun anymore? Seems like when you rave, you WORK ggirl! =) besides the only people i know who do it fulltime, all the time have mommy and daddy to pay the billz. (you know... the Scooters of the world =) fuck them, fuck that, take your circumstances, and make shit better. out. Kreig Craig G. Mr. SparklE Poseur. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Se-Wai Lee Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 11:39:51 PDT Subject: RE: ID There's a song called "Bish Bosh" by Yolk that samples 12 notes from the refrain of "take on me". Label is Ruffbeat. You can find it domestically on that silly "Speed Limit 140 BPM+" compilation (Moonshine). - C.Y. ---------- ::From: ::To: ::Subject: ID ::Date: Friday, April 23, 1993 2:15pm :: ::hey all :: does anyone know the name and hopefully record label :: of the techno song that samples "Take on ME" by A-HA. :: The aha video features the cartoons :: ::thanks a lot ::bye ::alvin lin ::aka Laibach :: :: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: ID Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 14:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of LAIBACH@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU: > > hey all > does anyone know the name and hopefully record label > of the techno song that samples "Take on ME" by A-HA. That would probably be "bish bosh" - yolk if what you are refering to the sample is not vocal but the intro synth. There is also a song that sample the "...in a day or twoooo" but i dont know the title and is in the same vein as another song which sample "kyrye" by Mr. Mister, again blank as to the title. There is also another song with the same feeling but with a sample that may or may not be from Mr. Mister: "spirit of liiiiiiiiiiifffffe" - forbidden planet by Jem 77 All these song could be major hits with some pushing if you ask me... But what's cool is that not too many people have heard them yet (except maybe bish bosh which looks like a chart climber in record pools). Anybody knows what is the song that sample "kyyyyyyyrrrrryyyyyyyyyeeeee"? :) it's hard to represent the speed in text Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 14:39 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: colour box II Ahh what the heck, if you aren't doing anything else then go to Colour Box. I went to Bryn Mawr and hung out at Swat from time to time, so I doubt there's much really exciting going on out there tonight :-) Why is it that people are so hung up on "recognizing many of the DJ names" before they'll go to an event? But, I'll give some info: SPpike owns and runs Planet X music in New Brunswick, NJ. Since he concentrates on his store a lot more than getting gigs, he's not too well known but he *is* a good DJ technically with wide-ranging tastes. In fact, I've found he's very open-minded about different styles of dance music, including techno and also above and beyond techno. His last rave gig was at Global Grooves in New York City. Freshco and Days-X-1 are both from New Jersey, also, and have spun at such raves as Sputnik I, Sputnik II, and the September Storm rave in New York City. Days-X-1 started out as a hip-hop DJ, so he's got some tricks down pat. Frescho has less experience. But they both have access to getting good fresh tunes frequently, so you can bet you won't be hearing old commerical techno jive from them. Dave Wave used to be one of the Industrial DJs at the Building in New York City. He also used to be a radio DJ for WDRE in Long Island. He's since moved on to techno, where he has improved GREATLY over his earlier days. We heard him at LIFE in Worcester, Mass, last fall, and his choice of music was AMAZING trance. Also, there is a slight chance that two ne-raves DJs, SLiP (Ed Horch) and Thirteen (me) might get on, too. Jake, another ne-raver, will be doing a video show, and is very excited and enthusiastic about it. So come if you want, we'll be there (look for a very thin guy with angular features and wirey blonde hair, for a VJ under the stairs, and for a girl with a pink and blue strip in her hair wearing a purpleish-blueish dress). Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: DJ's --- and making music Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Beyond the ultraworld of mike perkowitz: > > oh come on, francois. :P you make the great point that DJing is a form of > making music and turn around and cut "computer" stuff as being easy? it > may be a different kind of skill and a different approach to music-making, > but that doesn't make it any less valuable or difficult... Ok, before this takes too much proportions: Just mixing records is not hard Just using a sequencer is not hard but Do great mixing is hard Making good music is hard I am not saying that a DJ is better than a musician. But what i do say, is that a good band or a good DJ is similar to me. Of course there are much more good bands than good djs but that's another story. Each part takes time to get the nescessary skills. If i didn't think so, i wouldn't have lined up a band for Rave en Couleur! Gee, and people tell me that canadians have to get everything explained to them! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: DJ's --- and making music okay francois... i think we agree :) mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:23 EDT From: ST933352@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subject: TAKE ON ME The first time I saw this record was last summer a white label out of Sweden APPLE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 15:33:50 EDT From: Monica Tauriello Subject: dj versus music in response to JP3: clearly the dj did not make the music. HOWEVER, the dj chooses the music, chooses what order it's going in, and mixes it. I REALLY appreciate good mising, the way the songs layer.... monicat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: DJ's I sort of agree with both sides...there's a middle ground with it.. Perfect example: went to a club rave here in Pgh a few weeks ago. the first DJ was Doug, the club's resident. all he did was play song after song after song of the most *boring* house and some tribal (which was actually quite good.). It was just song after similar song. It was just a beat with some doodling keyboards for over an hour. then Damian started his set, and I was interested in it the whole time...he'd play breakbeat for an hour, flavoured with samples and other tidbits, and then switch to hardcore...i'd say, "Is Damian done?", and we'd look into the booth and there he'd be, spinning away. He'll spin a chord progression and drop in a break and bring on the hardcore. It was like all the best hooks of 10 years of pop songs in one 2 hour set. Just phat breaks and tuff beats. *that's* a DJ. It's a helluva lot more than just mixing records. there's what i think...:) mikebee [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:47:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "It\\'s Time for the PERCOLATOR!!" Subject: Re: DJ's [][][][][][[]<><><<><>><187-Mobile.Live.Techno.Vibes><<><><<><>][][][][][][][] On Fri, 23 Apr 1993, Joe Pitassi wrote: > I've noticed before (before I came on this list) that a lot of ravers tend to > place a lot of emphasis on the DJ and not as much on the music. I think you're wrong. It's a combination of both the DJ's choice of music and the TIMING of what he plays. Any loon can throw a couple records on two turntables and mix them if he or she practices but in most cases what raves think are good DJ's are good because of both what they played and WHEN they played it. Both the DJ, the music AND the timing are important. > What I mean is > , I often hear, "His/her set was awewsome" or something to that effect, and > comments on how fast the DJ's music was. But...the dj had nothing to do with i > t. Granted, the dj picks the songs and mixes them (most mix them quite well) > and controls the mood, but I find that many people fail to realize that the > dj did not make the music Come on, most people know that the DJ didn't make a(in most cases) the music he is spinning. At a rave in my opinion the MOOD that a DJ creates by TIMING is what makes a DJ good or not. ANd of course at a rave the mood or vibe created IS what's inmportant. > I don't know if this is because of lack of knowlege > about what a dj at a rave does, or...what. I'm having this argument (dj's > versus music) with my friend sarah (from poughkeepsie) of up north prod. > I myself used to be a dj (mostly pop house, some nrg-type, rap), so I know > what the job entails. Again, you assume ravers are ignorant of what a DJ does. Wrong. Most read interviews with DJ's in different underground publications so they know the score. Don't assume remmember..... I think I may be a little vague, but I was wondering > what everyone thinks about this topic. I'd like to hear from you. In the I think you overgeneralized alot. I myself produce techno and I must admit I came into it from a musicians point of view until I got some turntables and a mixer and started spinning. I don't DJ raves (yet) as I am still practicing my mixing skills but I have done live performances. The way I do them is DJ style though, mixing one song into the next. (In fact a DJ friend of mine, Soji even said it sounded as if I was mixing records). I must admit I find it easier to get the knack of mixing sequences together than records. Many DJ's do produce their own music but usually don't spin it at raves. I feel the DJ of the future will get bored with just 2 1200 and a crossfader and will start usuing sequencers, samplers, and analog modules right along with the 1200's therby elevating him or her self beyond the "just playing records lable" you were so quick to give. Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: raving, school, addictions... Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 17:01:50 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i'd like to add an appendium (or whatever it's called) to my last post, in answer to the few replies i got that hinted, sometimes accosted me with the message: "wake up!" or, "your addicted, you better stop!" or, "if you force yourself to endure so much physical pain, in order to pursue this lifestyle, you should have your head examined!!" well, i'd just like to say a couple of things to those that would say one single word to everyone who wanted to live another lifestyle than the one society expects of them, or those that dream of something better, and are trying to change it- "deal." no. =') so there. i have a perfectly good grasp of reality, my situation, opportunities, etc. and do what i must to maintain my situation of opportunity- as far as school, life, etc... but that is just maintaining, so that i can improve my life by doing what i love the most- dancing, listening to music, and letting my mind and spirit soar to it, and being with people i love. this makes my life happy, and fulfilling, expands my mind, opens it up to higher levels of thinking and consciousness. as for the self-destructive, masochistic, needing-a-lobotomy, lunatic that some of you seem to think i am, think what you like. but don't nag me for it. get real. (heehee! i don't say that too often...) i know my limits, and take care of myself, like mommy says i should. my original post was in simple, honest response to someone's question of whether raving interferes with college. and for some reason, i get multiple flames? i'm fucking up? i'm making the wrong decisions? screwing up my life forever!!!!??? what the fuck is this all about? thanks but no thanks, mom. that's not the kind of help i want, when i need it. i'm not throwing anything away. i have to make compromises so that i can continue to enjoy... i'm addicted, ya, i think so. but i don't see it being a bad addiction. i mean, i don't go popping E's or acid, so that i can have a good time at a rave, like some people i know... sober raving- let your true mind go... i do all my drugs at home, where i can really use them to their full potential. do whatchya like...to each their own. let me enjoy my life, 'cause i am. well, the end all and be all of it is: yep. raving does effect my college academics. it does because i let it. those are the decisions and sacrifices that i make. and i'm completely comfortable with them. it can be stressful at times, but hey, that's college. peace-out. love y'all, whether you like it or not. :) shannon. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.att.com Subject: Re: Die Schulen und Der Ravung Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 15:40:20 -0400 (EDT) All this talk of raving and school (and watching a huge build run -- zzzz) got me to thinking. How many of us here have *no* connection between raving and school? I learned of raving, sought it out, and continue to rave, entirely separately from my ongoing work towards a brute-force Bachelor's degree. I got to raving from the industrial club scene, which again had nothing to do with school, primarily because it went on during my seven-year break from college. What this means is that raving can have an equally deleterious effect on *all* the other things in my life (school, work, relationships, etc.) Maybe that puts me more on guard for when raving starts to make my life unmanageable. But there's one saving grace to raving -- it tends to occur only on weekends. The rest of the week is left for the REAL(tm) world. If I screw up on a Wednesday, let's say, I can't say it's because I'm so dedicated to the rave scene. It's usually just laziness or Piss-Poor Prior Planning on my part. As yuppified as it may sound, if I'm going to delete my weekends, then I have to apply at least rudimentary time management techniques to the rest of the week. Like it or not, I have responsibilities. The only permanent vacation from my life will be when they flush my ashes down the commode. But you know what? Fulfilling responsibilities is not the torture I once thought it would be. Not only that, I would not have taken on those responsibilities if they didn't bring with them some benefit. So why escape from them? -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 93 18:16:33 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Pre-Joy Party Directions Hi Gang, Ok the address is 5 Buckingham Pl and the number is 876-0508 in Cambridge. directions from Harvard Square are: Drive past HMV on Brattle Street past the ART to Craigie Street (stop sign and fountain on right near corner). Make a right turn. Take first left onto Buckingham Street, then first right on to Buckingham Place. Buckingham-Nichols day school on your left and #5 is on your right a three story brown shingled victorian. Bring something to Carbo load on or something to drink--enough for you and a new friend should be plenty. If you can't don't sweat it. See you there between 8 and 9pm. This will be cool! Brendan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Mind Machine FAQ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 18:37:51 -0400 From: "Fraktur" Here's a faq I picked up a while ago it seems relevant to the discussion about Brain machines... enjoy! peace, Drew/Ivo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.consciousness,alt.psychoactives >From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) Subject: Sight&Sound Machines FAQ Nntp-Posting-Host: flat Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc. Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:05:23 GMT Here's a FAQ from the mind-l list about mind-machines. There's other stuff in the ftp archives at asylum.sf.ca.us like bibliographies and resource lists and list archives. The list has slow traffic and you can subscibe by sending a request to mind-l-request@asylum.sf.ca.us. I bought one of these machines a few months ago and would be happy to discuss it more - except it's quitting time and I'm out the door. Author: "J. Brad Hicks" Release: MM FAQ version 0.1 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1991 21:44:00 -0500 AUTHOR'S NOTE: This is version 0.1 of the FAQ for MIND-L, compiled by J. Brad Hicks (jbhicks@mcimail.com). The author is not responsible. (grin) Send clarifications, corrections, and suggested additions to the author. Send requests for additional info to MIND-L@ASYLUM.SF.CA.US. Send flames to /dev/null. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mind Machine Digest "Frequently Asked Questions" Q: What do you all mean by "mind machines?" A: The phrase "mind machines" covers a whole range of technologies that work directly or indirectly on your mind. In broad categories, this includes HemiSynch tapes, light and sound mind machines, TENS and CES electrical stimulation hardware, biocircuits, lucid dreaming machinery, consciousness alteration software, and of course the old classic sensory deprivation tanks. Q: What is a HemiSynch tape? A: HemiSynch and similar tapes are cassette tapes, meant to be played over headphones, that play different things into each ear, sometimes to create a binaural beat frequency. Some use different sythesized frequencies, and the new Paraliminal tapes use an odd technique of telling two different stories at the same time, one into each ear, to work directly onto your subconscious by confusing your conscious mind. And of course, there are the old classic hypnotic suggestion tapes and subliminal programming tapes. Q: What is a binaural beat frequency? A: The makers of these tapes want to play sounds into your head that are exactly at the frequencies they want to entrain you to. The catch is, there isn't a human being alive or dead who can hear a 10 hertz "pitch" as one continuous sound. So they cheat: they play (for example) 450 Hz into one ear and 460 Hz into the other; theoretically this sets up a "beat frequency" of 10 Hz (460 - 450 = 10). Q: What is a light and sound mind machine? A: These consist of a pair of opaque goggles with built-in flashing lights, and normally a pair of headphones with synchronized beeping sounds. Studies have shown that if the flashing lights and beeping sounds start at something close to your current "dominant frequency" and then slowly change the "beat frequency" it "entrains" your brain to the desired frequency. So for example, if you entrain to alpha frequencies, you experience some of the same benefits as experienced meditators. Additionally, almost all users report some kind of hallucinations from the flashing lights; mostly colored moire patterns, but some people see detailed hallucinatory scenes. And, of course, many of the same effects as hemisynch can be achieved by the sound synthesizers in a light and sound mind machine. Alternatively, most of the better light and sound mind machines include sound inputs so you can mix the headphone synthesizers with your choice of music, environmental, or HemiSynch-like tapes or compact disks. Q: What are these "brain wave frequencies" you've mentioned? A: While only the most science-ignorant fool thinks that the entire brain pulses in time to one frequency, EEGs show that at any given time, your brain produces distinct waveforms in four frequency groupings, called beta waves (14 to 30 Hz, pronounced hertz, meaning cycles per second), alpha waves (8 to 13 Hz), theta waves (4 to 7 Hz), and delta waves (1 to 3 Hz). When we say that you are "in beta state" (which you normally are), what we're saying is that that's the dominant set of frequencies, the ones with the highest amplitudes. Beta is associated with alertness, with the highest frequencies in that range often described as "fight/flight" mode. Alpha frequencies have long been associated with meditation and relaxation. Theta waves are considered by some to be associated with a dreamy, creative states. Delta waves are generally strongest when you're asleep. Q: What is the Ganzfield Effect? A: The ganzfield effect is a sort of mini-isolation chamber. It turns out that the mind reacts better to a blank but steadily-lit field for sensory deprivation than it does to darkness. Many light and sound mind machines have a setting to produce the ganzfield effect, and at least one, the Tranquilite, is just for the ganzfield effect. You can get some of the effects of this, though, with the cheapest mind-altering technology: cut a ping-pong ball in half, paint both halves orange or light blue, and tape them over your eyes, then sit where you can look into a bright light. Q: What is the Schumann resonance? A: 7.83 Hz. That's the average "resonance" frequency of the Earth's magnetic field, and some people think that by entraining your brain to 7.83 Hz, you can be more "in tune with the planet." Whether or not that's true, it makes sense that it would be a perfectly good alpha meditation frequency, wouldn't it? The idea started with TENS (see below) hardware, but many light and sound mind machines have Schumann resonance entrainment programs. Q: What is lucid dreaming, and how do you do it with a machine? A: A lucid dream is one in which you know that you are dreaming, and therefore have full control over what happens to you in the dream, even though you're still asleep. People who are really "into" lucid dreaming say that it puts your sleeping hours to work to enhance your creativity and that it helps you get a feeling of control over your waking life to have your sleeping life under control. The Lucidity Institute pushes a roughly thousand-dollar piece of hardware that looks like a slightly oversized set of light and sound mind machine goggles and monitors you for REM state. When it detects the onset of REM, it flashes a dim LED onto your eyelids. The idea is that you'll see the light in front of you in your dream, and remember that that's your cue that you're dreaming. Q: What do electrical stimulation mind machines do? A: Transcutaneous Electrical Neural Stimulation (TENS) is sort of like "electrical accupuncture." Small voltages are run across, for example, an aching joint, to stimulate healing and endorphin release. Cranial Electro-Stimulation (CES) is the next major step: transmitting even smaller voltages directly across your brain (via electrodes that clip onto your ear lobes), to stimulate endorphin release and produce the same kind of brain-wave entrainment as a light and sound mind machine. Q: What is a biocircuit? A: A biocircuit is made up of copper plates connected via copper wire to copper plated handles. You arrange them in specially designed "circuits" and then lie down on them, holding onto the handles, and it somehow "balances" your body's electrical fields. Sounds silly to some of us, but there were some double-blind studies which suggest that they may be able to produce mind-altering effects. They are also available in silver and in silk, and some people claim different effects depending on the materials. Q: What do you mean by consciousness alteration software? A: It varies. Some people stretch this category far enough to include thinking aids like "idea processors" such as Idea Generator Plus, Brainstormer, and The Thinking Machine, which offer up thinking strategies and help you organize your brainstorming sessions, and non-linear "hypertext" writing systems like HyperTies and Guide. Then there's "shrink in a box" software like the old classic Eliza, its modern, hipper incarnation Racter, PC Guru, and Timothy Leary's (now mostly remaindered) Mind Mirror. But much closer to the idea of consciousness alteration software is a little gem for both PCs and Macintoshes called Synchronicity, which uses vaguely oriental art and digitized nature sounds to aid you in meditation upon computer-generated I Ching oracles. Q: What are sensory deprivation tanks? A: Mostly the same old classic "flotation tanks" pioneered by Dr. Lilly and publicized in the book and movie {Altered States}. A flotation tank is a light-sealed tank of body-temperature water, mixed with enough Epsom salts to guarantee that you float in it. After a prolonged period of sensory deprivation, the "floater" experiences various states of consciousness alteration. Q: You keep saying "consciousness alteration." Does this have anything to do with drugs? A: Not in the sense that you mean it, probably. Some (I stress that, SOME) researchers claim that they've seen a synergistic effect from mixing light and sound mind machines with some of the experimental nootropics such as Piracetam. Q: Are all of these things legal? A: HemiSynch, hypnotic, subliminal and so forth cassette tapes are entirely legal, though the FDA is considering restricting the advertising claims that they can make. Light and sound machines are unregulated by the FDA due to the fact that a crude form of this kind of hardware pre-existed the FDA, and is therefore "grandfathered." Biocircuits are currently unregulated. TENS and CES are considered medical devices, and available only by prescription. And flotation tanks are perfectly legal, albeit expensive. Q: Well, if the FDA can't regulate it, is it safe? A: Opinions on the list are sharply divided about this. Some of the oldest "mind spas" have confirmed that approximately three out of every ten thousand sessions with a light and sound mind machine have produced mild epileptic seizures ... but that almost all of those were in known epileptics, the kind of people to whom strobe lights are dangerous, too, and the others turned out to be in undiagnosed epileptics. Some list users believe that these machines may somehow "cause" epilepsy in previously normal people or possibly worsen epilepsy for undiagnosed epileptics, but these people have NO research or other evidence on their side. It was once thought that people with migraine headaches should avoid light and sound mind machines, on the theory that bright lights can trigger migraine attacks. In fact, the one real study so far ended up showing that light and sound mind machines not only don't cause or trigger migraines, but reduce or eliminate the pain of migraine attacks in 72% or more of migraine sufferers. (cf {The Futurist}, July-August 1991, p. 5) Makers of TENS and CES electro-stimulation hardware recommend against using their devices if you have a pacemaker or other built-in electronics, for the fairly obvious reason that the current might interfere with your existing circuitry. Also, please remember that TENS and CES hardware are supposed to be available in America only by prescription to persons under a doctor's supervision. Q: How much will all of this stuff cost me? A: The cassette tapes and CDs are competitive with music tapes and CDs, mostly, with prices ranging from around $10 to $40 for most of them, with some multi-tape sets running up around $100 or so. There are light and sound machines available for under $150, but according to our reviewers, they're trash. The cheapest light and sound machine to get decent reviews is the Shaman, from AlphaLabs, at $180, and better machines run from $300 to $700. Your basic copper biocircuit starts at $50. TENS and CES hardware runs from roughly $400 to $1000. And even a cheap flotation tank will set you back $4000, not counting all the Epsom salts you have to keep loading into it. On the other hand, you may be able to find alternatives to having to buy some of this. Michael Hutchison, whose 1981 tome {MegaBrain} kicked off the current enthusiasm for such hardware, gives a travelling $150 seminar in which participants get to experiment with various kinds of consciousness hardware, and some cities have permanent "mind spas" where you can go in and rent time on the hardware. Q: Are circuit diagrams available in case I want to build one of my own? A: Several list-users have promised to design simple hardware and upload the plans, but so far none of them have come through. The list archives do include an Amiga BASIC program to produce HemiSynch-like tones on the Amiga's audio ports. Also, blueprints are available for a few devices, such as the TENS, for various prices from a company called at
(send for price list). Q: If I build one of my own, can I sell it? A: Lots of people are. You can find the complete list of relevant American patents in the MIND-L archive at ASYLUM.SF.CA.US. The most important of these is Denis Gorges' patent on the Synchro Energizer; Gorges insists that every other machine in the field infringes on his patent, and has been threatening to sue for quite some time now. So far as we can tell, he hasn't done so yet. Q: Where can I read more? A: The first and foremost is Michael Hutchison's {MegaBrain} (Ballantine: 1986), a $4.95 paperback which covers a wide range of hardware. It's getting a little long in the tooth, but supposedly we should soon see a 1991 update. A little more skeptical and a lot more up-to-date is Judith Hooper & Dick Teresi's {Would the Buddha Wear a Walkman?} (Simon & Schuster, 1990), for $16.95 in trade paperback. Hutchison also publishes (irregularly) a newsletter called {The MegaBrain Report}, for $36 per year >from the address at the end of this file. Q: So what is a ? NAME TYPE* MANUFACTURER PRICE NOTES Binaural Signal Gen. AUDIO AudioImagery $390 Audio synthesizer HypnoPeripheral Proc. AUDIO HPP $40 Sublim tape sets Paraliminal Tapes AUDIO Paraliminal varies Range from $10-$35 AlphaSonics AUDIO AlphaSonics $36 40 sublim tapes Ultra-Meditation I-V AUDIO Zygon $49 Meditation tapes Synchro Energizer L&S Synchro-Tech $9000 Original; 4-user model, prices go to $150k Relaxman L&S Synchro-Tech $599 10 presets MC Squared L&S L&S Research $350 1st home model, 12 preset Innervision PR-1 L&S Mind Gear $299 Choice of LED or bulbs Innervision PR-2 L&S Mind Gear $349 Same as above, fully programmable DAVID Paradise L&S Comptronics $695 Fully programmable DAVID 1 L&S Comptronics $3700 Two-person, good audio Daydreamer LIGHT ? $15 Manually operated, you blow into it Dreamwave II L&S AlphaLabs $695 Programmable, good audio, externally expandable Shaman L&S AlphaLabs $180 Externally expandable Electro Stim CES AlphaLabs $300 Add-on to the Shaman or Dreamwave II EEG Controller L&S AlphaLabs $500 Biofeedback controller for Shaman, Dreamwave Mastermind L&S MindsEye $200 12 preset functions, small Courier L&S MindsEye $395 Similar to MasterMind MindsEye Plus L&S MindsEye $895 Programmable, good audio Synergizer L&S MindsEye $495 MindsEye Plus as add-in board for IBM PC IQ-Tutor L&S InnerQuest $120 A piece of cheap crap IQ-9110 L&S InnerQuest $329 21 preset functions InnerQuest II L&S InnerQuest $495 21 presets, programmable InnerQuest III L&S InnerQuest $595 InnerQuest II w/ built- in tape deck InnerQuest Pro-S L&S InnerQuest $895 InnerQuest III w/ micro- phone, audio out RelaxMate LIGHT Shealy $150 Lousy frequency control Tranquilite LIGHT Tranquilite $500 Ganzfield effect Theta-One L&S ? $195 Ganzfield effect, audio DreamLight DREAM Lucidity Inst. $999 Lucid dreaming hardware Alpha-Stim CS CES ? $650 Original CES hardware Mind Man CES ? $625 German Alpha-Stim clone Endo Stim CES MegaBrain $995 State of the art CES Nustar II CES Nustar $399 Cheaper, less flexible CES Brain Tuner 5 (BT-5) CES ? $350 Inexpensive CES L&S TurboCharger CES ? $299 Add CES to any L&S machine Alphapacer II L&S,CES ? $495 Combines L&S and CES Bio Cy 2000 L&S,CES ? $595 Combines L&S, ganzfield, and CES IdeaGenerator Plus SOFTW Experience $195 MS-DOS in Software Brainstormer SOFTW Soft Path $75 MS-DOS The Thinking Machine SOFTW Psychological $90 MS-DOS, Apple II Psoftware HyperTies SOFTW Cognetics $349 MS-DOS Guide SOFTW OWL ? MS-DOS, Macintosh Eliza SOFTW various varies everything Racter SOFTW Mindscape $45 MS-DOS, Macintosh PC Guru SOFTW ? $100 MS-DOS Mind Mirror SOFTW Mindscape $15? MS-DOS Synchronicity SOFTW Visionary Sfwr $60 MS-DOS, Macintosh * AUDIO = Audio stimulation, tapes (audio) LIGHT = Photic stimulation (light only) L&S = Light and sound mind machine CES = TENS and CES electrical stimulation DREAM = Lucid dreaming hardware SOFTW = Computer software Q: So where can I find and buy all of this stuff? A: Some of it's at Sharper Image, Hammacher Schlemmer, and other yuppie toy stores, but the best selection and prices are from two dealers, both of whom offer good catalogs: MegaBrain Tools for Exploration P.O. Box 2205 4460 Redwood Highway, Suite 2 Sausalito, CA 94965-9998 San Rafael, CA 94903 Voice: (415) 332-8323 Voice: (800) 456-9887 Fax: (415) 332-8327 Fax: (415) 499-9047 AUTHOR'S NOTE: This is version 0.1 of the FAQ for MIND-L, compiled by J. Brad Hicks (jbhicks@mcimail.com). The author is not responsible. (grin) Send clarifications, corrections, and suggested additions to the author. Send requests for additional info to MIND-L@ASYLUM.SF.CA.US. Send flames to /dev/null.  [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23 Apr 1993 19:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: TGROMAK@delphi.com Subject: The Power of a good Trance I was watching CNN this afternoon, and there was a story about a guy in England listening to some "trance" music in his headphones, so he didn't notice that a plane had crashed in his back yard, and that there were burning chunks of plane and police and fire personnel all over the place. The two crash victims went to the hospital, and the man in the house stated "I must have been in a trance." The announcer then said something like "I guess that's why they call it trance music," and laughed. I know that when I have the Psychick Warriors ov Gaia on, I lose myself completely, but I didn't realize the awesome power of trance..... --TOm *-Phat but Phrendly-* *-Om mani padme hum-* "Dance was originally a psychedelic way of expressing yourself...a way of getting high. Body movements can get you grooving with your internal energies...and the dance itself can be a wild, ecstatic, turn on." ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Dr. Timothy Leary, from_._._._._._._._._. _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ Origins of Dance 12", The Grid_._._._._._ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 16:20:45 PDT From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: DJ's > I feel the DJ > of the future will get bored with just 2 1200s and a crossfader and will > start usuing sequencers, samplers, and analog modules right along with the > 1200's therby elevating him or her self beyond the "just playing records > lable" you were so quick to give. Back when I was in school I had this vision of a sampler that would be made for DJ use -- it would sync up to a beat (either by "listening" to the audio signal, or by having the DJ tap the beat in if "listening" ended up being too difficult to implement). The sampler would keep track of mundane things like tempos and keys. Given a sampled drum loop or sampled synth loop, the sampler would automatically find the loop's start point and end point, and time-shift and pitch-shift the loop to match the current tempo and key. Instead of buying a CD single of a bunch of remixes of a song, the DJ would buy a CD single (or minidisk, or whatever format) that would contain the individual tracks of the song, and the DJ would remix it live. Given that the sampler is doing all the grunt work of matching beats and tempos and keys, the DJ would spend his time creating a real-time sound collage that would be different every time he plays. A few months ago I read some marketing stuff from Roland about their new DJ-70 keyboard, which has some of these features, but I haven't heard much about it actually being used. (Has it been released yet?) (The down side of all this is that instead of having lots of hack DJs who "just play records", you'll end up with lots of hack DJs who "play records and ruin them with a lot of inappropriate samples", but in the hands of a good DJ, this could open up lots of possibilites.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Rishad J. Quazi Subject: Raving as a life philosophy Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 20:26:11 EDT Hello All, Time for my $0.02 worth. This is in reference to the recent debates on raving, school, life, work, social responsibility etc. People have compared our 'rave' generation as a throwback to the anti-establishment hippy 60's. Though I agree we share some characteristics in our sub-culture :: community, unity, peacing out :: we in general have one major thing to learn from our forebears. Ever wonder what happened to all the hippies? They're all making 70K+ somewhere in Metropolis. Why? Because they discovered that you just can't buck the system. The only way to really get the total freedom and free choice is to STAY within the system and milk it for all its worth. Keep trying to buck the system for too many years, you'll end up a bum with a tin can on 42nd St. Someone hinted at this when they said that staying a 'corporate drone' is one sure fire way to get enough $$ to be able to keep on raving, and this, IMO is abs. true. Let the corps have their way with you during the week, but when Friday rolls around, just think of all the good times you can have when your pockets are phat. I know I'm making some GROSS generalizations about people, soc, corps and ravers, but I think this is a truth that applies. I might shock some out there with this 'mercenary' attitude towards work & raving, but if that's what it takes to get this msg. out, so be it. Peace everybody, Rishad -- ________________________________ | | | Rishad J. Quazi |## | SUNY at Stony Brook |## | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|## | RQUAZI@CSSERV1.IC.SUNYSB.EDU |## | RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET |## |________________________________|## ################################## [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 22:26:44 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: DJ clarification It seems as though people did not read my second post/response to the DJ issue. iT WAS entitled "Undeliverable mail" (I had trouble). I think this post will clarify my stance on the issue. I am NOT anti-DJ. I just place more emphasis on the music, that's all. More than one person has called me "wrong", and I choose not to respond to that, because it is a ridiculous notion to call anyone 's OPINION "wrong". I didn't realize I would be dealing with such black and white. Anyhow, that's my two cents. Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 04:21:37 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cube E) Subject: Re: DJ's I totally agree.. Us techno musicians never get any credit .. they say the DJ's are so great.. :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: bootlegs... Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 14:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Got several calls at the radio station about some bootleg tapes that somebody is selling downtown... It seems that the mindrop show (CKUT) and my show (CISM) are taped and sold as rave mixes (they removed my voice, but they forgot to remove the jingles and other stuff like that). DUH! Now, i know that some people have recorded all my programs (that's a fuckin lot over 2 years), but to sell them, this is ridiculous! In one way i find it funny, but in another, i feel kind of ripped off. Another funny phone call: several people caught the end of my show last week when i talked about GRIN. At that point i had already given the number but i said it was near Friday's in Portland. They went there based only on that and found it! I think Jay may have met some of them... Oh, well, strange week... As for Rave en Couleur!, it seems that the rumor has been circulating in MTL for some time... They had dubbed it "the cyberpunk rave" and they knew it was on may 8th before i even said it publicly!???? It also seems that CBC has heard of it and want to see that... as i said, strange week! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Rishad J. Quazi Subject: Picnic & Essence Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 20:18:29 EDT How's about a show of hands for the NE-Raves Picnic/Essence event May 1. I'm not sure if I'll be able to go until the middle of next week. (Depends if my presentation is postponed). Fluid, HOM pleease? - Rishad -- ________________________________ | | | Rishad J. Quazi |## | SUNY at Stony Brook |## | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|## | RQUAZI@CSSERV1.IC.SUNYSB.EDU |## | RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET |## |________________________________|## ################################## [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 20:48 EDT From: PsychoTropical Subject: FIELDS OF JOY TONITE!!!! Heyos! I just want to let ppl. know that I am attending my FIRST RAVE TONITE! So could someone (if you spot me) say hi and show me around and all that stuff? I'll be wearing Reddish jeans, and a Tie-Dyed T-shirt with a Marajuana leaf on it. Much appreciated! See yas there! Tom....aka PsYhCoTrOpIcAl =) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 21:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: spirituality through technology Subject: Re: Picnic & Essence thanks to Rishad for opening this discussion for me.. :) i meant to as soon as NYU's mailer was up... like it is now. i still want to do the picnic...a show of hands would be good...as would some suggestions for how to get here/park/find it.. i say we all meet somewhre FIRST, and then walk into central park and find a location...but then, if we did THAT, we'd have to wait for EVERY oops.. for EVERYONE..so, if someone was late.. we'd all lose...but, getting around central park isn't easy...it's got all kindsa twisty paths and stuff.. but, anyway... let's just see a show of hands first.. peaceout >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: COLOUR BOX II From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 18:56:00 -0500 Finally hooked up my gear and called to see what is up here! It has been nice meeting Laura and Ed though I am sorry you did not get to spin. I was really looking forward to hearing ya! I dont know what to say about the rave in general. IT will be a weekly event now, but I dont know for how long. Lots of clubs started doing raves on weekly bases and all sooner or later stopped doing so. Shame. NO, I do not do Acid and never did acid in the past; that is my answer to those who made comments about my graphics! hehe...alot of people thought it was really wicked. But I know I can do better next time! I'd like to get in touch with the person who was selling those weird glasses, flourecent t-shirts, and all kinds of weird shit at Colour Box. You came up to me we talked, you knew my name so I assume you're on the net. I gaveyou my business card but you must have dropped it or lost since I found it later on at the entrance to my dungeon..hehe One last thing about the graphics; there was not enuff light on the Dance floor to shoot people dancing...that really sucked IWAs hoping to do some crazy shit with that... Underpants! Sjakie P.S. I'll be probably doing graphics on the 29th of May at the UNITY rave [DJs; Lenny Dee, Dark Raver from Holland, Destructo/L.A. etc] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 24 Apr 1993 19:37:24 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu Subject: techno ID Does anyone know a song that starts off..."Good evening my little ones." In a deep male british voice....It sounds really old....like from 1991 or so. there are some trancey breaks where a female whispers "happiness my love" and parts that sound exactly like moby's "drop a beat" THANX -Julian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Ben: problem with your mail Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 00:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Ben Jaffe: (sorry all others) I do not know if my email is reaching you, and i got two empty messages from you. Whats the deal? I am regularly on vrave so you can try there, or talk dionf@brise.ere.umontreal.ca Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Rishad J. Quazi Subject: techno ID (fwd) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 0:47:53 EDT > > Does anyone know a song that starts off..."Good evening my little ones." In > a deep male british voice....It sounds really old....like from 1991 or so. > there are some trancey breaks where a female whispers "happiness my love" > and parts that sound exactly like moby's "drop a beat" > > THANX > -Julian > Yes. 'Happy Dreams' by Daydreamer. Available on 'TechnoSonic Vol I'::Instinct/Sonic Records. - Rishad. -- ________________________________ | | | Rishad J. Quazi |## | SUNY at Stony Brook |## | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|## | RQUAZI@CSSERV1.IC.SUNYSB.EDU |## | RQUAZI@SBCCVM.BITNET |## |________________________________|## ################################## [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 10:07:43 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: Well? So how was Fields of Joy? /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|-/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner <<>> cutter@cs.umb.edu |hypnodrone-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu \/ 617/527-3957 | fegmaniax-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu Here's your ticket... hear the drummer get wicked! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: while id'ing a song... Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 14:26:12 -0400 (EDT) About 3 weeks ago, someone asked (i think it was Pete) about a group name that looked like "abc def ghi". While searching some acen stuff for alt.rave, i found NAZ AKA NAZ. I dont know if the person has found the song in question, but it may be that, since it was fairly recent. Naz aka naz - organized crime Found it on Kickin' six pack part IV. It has the sample: "when they tought i was out they called me perky". Got it while in Boston (we dont get the six pack here, we get the regular 4 pack - black with red logo). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 15:26:16 EDT From: Dave Hardy Subject: Joy! (fields of) Well, just woke up a while ago and am recovering from my second rave. I liked it a lot, more so than Wonderland, where I was sort of trying to figure out what was going on. Wonderland was a good rave but it was all new to me at that point. I had a really good time, danced more than I ever have. They had a couple of monitors showing various visuals at the front of the stage, and large projection screens above the stage in the corners. No speakers in the back though, like Wonderland. I missed that. Is that common at raves or is it more common to just have them up front? The space seemed very echoey, maybe it would have really screwed it up acoustically to have them in back too. I even met my first ne-raver (Hi Joe!). All in all a good time, but it lacked a decent chill-out room and worse, a place to put coats. There was an upstairs 'balcony' type of area which was kind of neat. I guess some used that for a chill-out area. So what happened to the simultaneous rave in San Francisco? I seem to remember hearing something about a video hookup but there was nothing in sight other than the visual patterns which appeared to be VCR tapes. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 25 Apr 1993 18:28:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Nebula 4..... HI ALL!....Just got back from my excursion to Nebula 4 and not unlike the last Nebula this one was screwed up as well....whats the deal with Scott Richmond and his gang?...bad luck or just shitty planning and such on their par part?....according to my friends who have worked with him and know him it is just plain stupidity and shittyness on his part, they and most people I've talked to are sick of him and his ways... I mean at the last Nebula he never paid some people in his crew for set-up/clean-up, only let them in for free, essentially paying them 8 bucks for like 20 hours of slave labor, I think that is real shitty....and for still charging 10 bucks last night for the rave when it ended up being held at Berties in Poughkeepsie, where Vitamin is on Fri and you only pay 3 bucks (Hmmmm..)....and still promoating Nebula the night before in NYC...granted maybe it wasn't fucked up until yesderday, but still....Apparently the fire-marshals found out about the "New 100% legal wharehouse" through an anonomous tip and thus would not permit something like that there...so why was it billed as 100% legal then? I hate seeing this often misleading phrase on flyers, I mean what does it mean?- You still take a risk no matter what when you trek to a rave it seems, but they shouldn't print things like this if it really isn't.. it makes me wonder if they just want mon money, by assuring it's "legal" in your mind it will go on as planned and you w will go, but such things can as what happened last night can occur...Besides this change of location about half of the DJs cancelled (I don't know if this was because of the location change or a separate reason)...I found all this out after I had made my bus trek to New Paltz, anyway my friends and I ended up going and needless to say I had a pretty good time despite all the shit... the vibe/people/music was great so it was worthwhile in my mind...It seems raving comes down to what you make it in the end....:) Hope you all had a good weekend.... RAVE in ALBANY May 8th...I'll post more info soon... -ToNy_ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kawakami@noc.usfca.edu (Sea of Sin) Subject: Re: Joy! (fields of) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 16:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Well I was supposed to go to Fields of Joy in SF. However things got moved around on us because the forecast said there was a possible chance of rain. SO the event got moved from an outdoor space to an indoor space. *sigh* I aslo talked to someone here who knew the promotors and was going to orgainze the link up here (the video link and vrave), but the promotors never got the phone line that he kept bugging them about. The worst thing was that the event was moved to a club that is 21+ (Sound Factory). I was bummed about the whole thing because it had a great DJ line up. Well hopefully I won't have this problem in another 8 months. It is a shame that an all ages event (well due to SF permit laws, 18+ events) loses a good crowd of people. Not to mention I think a lot of people might have been turned off by it being moved to Sound Factory because it is gay night on Saturday night, which is sad as well. Well hope you all had a good time! Sorry I didn't make it to the March on Washington either. love, cin [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 19:25:45 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in our angelhood) Subject: Sony WalkDAT wanted. I'm looking to buy a Sony portable DAT player if anyone has one they want to get rid of , in the $250 to $500 range... lemme know.. Btw, how's the S/N ratio on this thing, I heard the walkDAT had terrible DAC's.. I figure lots of people will be getting rid of them now that minidisc and DCC is out.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 19:40:13 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in our angelhood) Subject: Re: Joy! (fields of) Fields of joy.. proof positive the WoD (war on drugs) is a flop :) 600 or so tripping ravers in a MILITARY auditorium... Can we thumb our noses at the goverment anymore :) :) :) :) This was the first 'boston' rave I went to cause, I missed wonderland (oh well) Somehow I remember spending the entire night either sitting on the floor or helping Sava Get the sound system back to normal (cause he kept screwing with it).. Highlight of the evening? Approx a 30minute acid set out of Onionz. hard as fuck and he started it off with a double-disc mix of beltram's energy flash, (old, yeah, but he mutated it into another song all together)... I still want HARDCORE in boston. j-hno [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 20:39:40 -0400 From: Craig M. Kanarick Subject: vrave vrave is now living on sfraves.stanford.edu, port 7283. port 7283 is now the default, with 7282 being the backup. Enjoy, -- Craig [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) Subject: Happy Happy Fields Of Joy! Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 21:04:57 -0400 (EDT) OK, this definitely ranks as the Best rave I've been to, even tho FOJ was only my fourth.... So, it didn't start out well, with the handcuffs that I use to clamp my backpack down getting confiscated at the door. (morons didn't even bother to pat me down, but tore my pack apart. I could have had 50 Sharpies on me and walked right in.) But then once I walked in, I was in heaven. The sound system was suprisingly good, at least up near the front stacks where I was. Even with my earplugs in, the music was really clear. (although I did notice that the volume seemed to be creeping up and up most of the night :-) As far as the music, about the only set I couldn't deal with dancing to was the second DJs. (Sorry, I have no clue on names..) Oh, and the First DJ was having problems with his segues, but he got better. Plus, Onionz played Moby's "Next Is The E", and whoever was on after him (The Last DJ) opened his set by playing the Orb remix of System 7's "Miracle". Yes, the music was great, but we could have used a hardcore set, tho %-) But it was just the vibe and the people all around who helped make the Rave for me. It went from the Girl who gave me the Neon Orange "Droop" sticker (which is on my computer now), to whoever was giving out those cool plastic keys, to meeting the few ne-ravers that I did (Donato, Brendan, Leslie, and the mystery girl who I keep seeing but I have no idea who she is [If you read this, e-mail me, the least I can do is know your name!]) Unfortunately, it all came to an end too quickly, during the last set (which was my favorite, happy instrumentals :-) one record just stopped, and the DJ told us to get our after-hours fliers. It was only 10 after 5. What happened? Unfortunately, I couldn't make it to the after-hours. How was it? However, I only had one or two complaints. First, when are ravers going to learn that wet floors and dancing don't mix? I must've spent an hour trying to find a dry spot where I wouldn't slip around as I was dancing. Eventually, I just resigned myself to shuffling.... And second, why did the intercostal link not go through? I even asked a few of the people wearing FOJ badges, and it appeared that most of them didn't even know that there was supposed to be a rave-to-rave link, even though it was advertized as such. But if this is the sign of Boston Raves to come, I'm looking forward to the future.... -- Jason Bilsky- fuzzbox@world.std.com **AnnoyingBandNameSigAlert!** CrimsOrBandOfSusanSigueSigueSputniKLFionAsiArtOfNoisE.G.DailYello DaisyChainsaWettoNineInchNailSystemSeveNedsAtomicDustbiNewOrder MoodswingSt.EtiennEnigmAdamskInSoConcreteBlondEnOrbital ToriAmoSmithereenSevenSevenSeveNirvana ...Oh, and Fuzzbox..... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 25 Apr 1993 21:06:33 -0500 (EST) From: LAIBACH@JHUVMS.HCF.JHU.EDU Subject: grey market SL2's or SL 1210 hey all does anyone know how much grey market SL 1200 and SL 1210's run costs? and also where i can purchase them...i'll be in los angelos this summer and prefer to buy them there. also..does anyone have used dj equipment they are selling? thanks bye alvin lin aka Laibach [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 20:52:40 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Fields of happy happy joy joy Hey gang, An apology to Dave, because this letter will seem a rehash, but anyhow... Went to fields of Joy...met a few ne-ravers: Donato, Psychotropical (tripping quite nicely, you crazyman!), Dave, um...Camper...uh....I think that's it. If I'm forgetting anyone, please forgive me. Names go in one of my ears and right out the other. Everyone that did meet me recognized me by the yellow Hertz jumpsuit. I didn't realize what a big deal my attire was...so many people kept coming up to me to comment about it. The attention was nice... I was a little freaked even before I got inside...I was spending a lot of time at my car puttin on my jumpsuit and stuffing, well, stuff, in my pockets and I got hassled by a natl guardsman who looked like he eats 22 caliber bullets for breakfast. After talking with him for a few, he knew I wasn't carrying anything (which I wasn't) and let me go. Peace to the man! Inside the rave was interesting. I considered it to be small, but it seemed pretty roomy partly because of the extra high ceiling. THe music was good. I was kinda worried when Laura told me it was all house, but it wasn't totally house. The graphics were cool, dissappointed by the lack of the linkup. No lasers? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see any. I had a smart drink ( I requested something with Choline in it), which was large (16 oz) but didn't taste particularly good (tasted like a vitamin, and I don't mean no Flintstones, either!) and it glowed like antifreeze under blacklight...wierd. I thought most of the crowd was okay...somewhat mainstream, but who cares. One thing I didn't like was the amount of people bumping into me. I don't mean a tap, I mean bumping me out of place or off balance. That's really uncool. One other uncool thing was people with some sort of stink spray or stink bombs. I have two words for them...grow (the fuck) up! NO one likes those things and the air quality at raves is bad enough without them. Other than that, no complaints about the crowd. Did I mention that the bass was un-(dirty word)-believable? Blew me away. Everyone was disappointed when the whole thing ended at 5:15. The sun wasnt even up yet! And the after party was relocated and no one could tell me how to get there. Soooo...I didn't go. I met a beautiful girl there wearing sequined hot pants, and I didn't get her name (the fool I am). Oh well... Slept for an hour in a rest area, then got home in Narragansett, RI at 7:45 and went to bed at 8, got up at 1 after lying awake since 12. Caught only patchy, hallucinagenic sleep. But now it's 9:15 pm and I'm still going strong. Well, that's that. Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 21:27:52 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Sheer luna-sea For all you RI ne-ravers... When I picked up my tic at Luna-sea, the two girls working behind the counter treated me as if I were a friend (or at least a regular buyer). We got into a discussion on hair coloring and stripping (I'm going to be stripping my hair soon). So, everything went well. One of the girls called Fields of Joy, "Fields of Misery"... hee hee. And they directed me to one of the neato new flyers for the event (all I had was an old pink one from Blue). And we talked about rave flyers for a while. I left feeling good, albeit a little confused. No cold shoulder this time...Hmmm...I wonder why... Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 22:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Summer HOM/FF list OK all...one more call for the summer HOM/FF list... This is a list of where everyone on SE/NE/DC raves will be over the summer...wherever that may be. A similar list is being compiled for MW raves. Send me what you want included to tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu tiffanyde@urvax.bitnet Remember, try to keep it to 5 lines...please include where you'll be and when you'll be there...also whether you'll have net access...other then that, whatever...the sky's the limit...phone number, snail-mail address, possible crash space, what cities you'll be raving in...etc!! I'm planning on sending this out May 1...if you want an early copy, let me know...please try to send in info early...I don't wanna have to spend 4 hours Friday night here in the comp lab puttin in all the last-minute additions... Also, this is fer EVERYONE...not just people who will/will not have net access...everyone...and it works best if everyone is on the list...SEND ME INFO!! later days and sunny rays, -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | Join the SERAVES list! University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain dErEk if you prefer... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 19:31:49 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Fields of Joy Hi, I ended up really enjoying Fields of Joy. The best parts of the rave are Robbie Hardkiss' set, seeing ne-ravers, and meeting more new people. We started out with a pre-party at Leslie's in Cambridge. With soft background ambient, we loaded on carbos and debated history, literature, literary criticism, and the recent pop-culture conference in New Orleans--and a little physics, too. Kind've funny given the surface chaos at a rave. I was a little worried about how this rave would be since GRIN got so many great reviews--could the vibe be repeated so soon--and Leslie and I were bringing five first timers. :| We left Cambridge at 11:30, got on the arterey and blam traffic jam. (Too we're in a 3 car caravan and the directions wre iffy). Sure enough there was construction equipment blocking 2 lanes and 5 guys on coffee break :* Fortunately the pacifier Anke gave me, kept me from having a fit :) Finally we get there. State troopers everywhere; several at the gate to the Armory stop us--"What are you here for?"..."A private dance party :) "... "What is the name?"..."Fields of Joy".."OK, go park over there entrance is in the back. PHEWWW! ( The Troopers and police are very cool the whole evening and say good night at the end of the rave :> ) Lineeeeeeeeeeee. Slow line. People are getting way frisked--for markers and other dangerous weapons. I'm getting worried because the newbies are getting restless--or I think they are and I want them to love this. We get in and I'm kind've disappointed. I'm thinking, "Oh shit, my friends are bummed. They just paid $13 for a rave and got a junior high dance with prison security." Too, the music is low, can't feel the bass, the dj isn't in a groove, atmosphere is wanting, we don't see anybody. Finally, I begin to relax and just go with the rave. Things just kept getting better. We find Donato, Becca, and her brother Ben up by the speaker stack near the dj booth. We just started dancing and the music began to work its magic. Leslie and I kept meeting ne-ravers--John, Joe, Jason, PsychoTropical, Camper and others whose names I can't remember NOW. We met more people--David and Joshua(?) at the BigFunHouse booth, Scott and Diane who we danced with for a long time--that was really nice--and Mary and Jim from Tower Records. Too, we met Bob, who served way and above the call of duty--more later. Too, Leslie and I gave away a pound of candies and toys. The smiles and thanks were the best. You know when you dance up to someone, you hand them the candy, and they just smile at you. The music began to get really good for me when TinTin came on, but Robbie Hardkiss spun the best for me. Too, at some points during the set the group just whistled and howled its approval at the sound and light mix and the vibe. Hardkiss just made us go with the acid-trance, break-beats with some disco (Donna Summerish) overlays. For some reason at 5:10, Robbie Hardkiss stopped his set and security began riding herd on the rave. Since the rave was til dawn and the afterhours not due to start until 7, I wonder what happened. This brings us to the down of the evening. At about 2, this kid--maybe in his mid-teens--is starting to lose it. He's walking around in a trance, grabbing his face, running into people and shuddering. He is having a bad trip of some sort. This starts to make me worried especially when I see him blow threw a group of non-ravers who look pissed. I go calm them down and people are smiling again, but the kid has disappeared. At about 3, I see a bunch of activity behind the dj booth, and I know what has gone down. I don't even have to look. All of a sudden Bob--from above--security and others are carrying the kid behind the stage into a room. He passed out and is convulsing. Paramedics come in, take him away by about 3:30. Leslie and I were tense and worried for the kid. We talk to Bob who turns out to be a nurse. Though he can't say anything critically about the kid's condition isn't too worried. Still it takes some time before Leslie, others, and I to get back into the rave. Aside from the bumpy start and the bad trip incident, this is a pretty good rave. Our first timer friends really like the rave, we get to see Donutz and Becca again, I bump into John and talk lasers and video editing, we get to dance with everyone and just meet lots of new people. To end the festivities, Leslie and I nap for a few hours then go to the Tufts University Inauguration of its new president. We heard Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala address us concerning community and social issues. She was very good! Later Leslie and I bump into the Tufts' Director of Public Relations who recognizes Leslie from her undergrad days. They chat for awhile. Its just a groovy 18 hours. Now I'm really beginning to ramble, so see you later. brendan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 22:53:30 -0500 (EST) From: spirituality through technology Subject: raves + seizures... a new fad? ok.. this is the 2nd rave in a row.. and the 4th that i've heard about.. where someone has had a seizure from either drugs or storbe lights. it's beginning to get pretty scarey, in my opinion. why didn't this happen before? or did it? i've been raving for a long time.. and i've never seen it until recently.. and now it happens all the time. strange.. and a big bummer. ? be safe please >>taylor.808 spiritual technology [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: august@Athena.MIT.EDU Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 23:28:47 -0400 Subject: Fields of Joy Brendan, I saw that guy convulsing too. What a nightmare. My friend and I were dancing right where that guy started to spaz. About 20 minutes earlier he had been lying on the floor looking zoned out, but had gotten up and walked away. Well, the second time we saw him he came running up out of somewhere, and was screaming something. His body was completely twitching and he fell to the floor, yelling and rolling around. It was so frightening to me. A bunch of other guys grabbed him and held him. Then he just stopped moving and people were feeling for his pulse on his wrist and his neck - it looked like they were having trouble finding them. The guy's eyes were open and not blinking and I was so scared that he might be dead. Then about 6 guys picked him up and carried him off. The whole thing really really spooked me and ruined my mood. All I could think of was whether the guy was okay. I knew that if he died they probably would have shut down the whole thing, but I still couldn't seem to let go of it. I'm very glad to hear that he hadn't died, and I hope he is okay. On top of that, some random asshole threw a cup of water at me while I was dancing and didn't apologize at all - just sneered. And in the bathroom these 3 women were openly making fun of my attire (so I don't dress in "raver" clothes. I was wearing shorts and a halter top. Its much cooler (literally) and more comfortable for me to dance that way.) And then to top off the whole evening, I managed to reinjure my bad knee somehow. All personal bad luck pretty much, and I'm sure if circumstances wre better I would have had a great time. I did for the first 45 minutes I was there. Hopefully, my leg will heal and I'll have a better time at the next one. sue [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Fields of Joy Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 00:10:25 EDT From: Bruce Krysiak Hey all - I guess I've been one of the lurkers in the background of this list for awhile, but now that I've actually been to a rave (FOJ was my 1st :), I figured I'd post something... When I came in, I didn't know what to xpect (~10:30 PM), and for a while I was afraid there were only going to be like 100 people or whatever - After 12 things started to pick up. I think I like crowded dance floors better just because there's a kind of synergy out there when you reach some sort of "critical mass" of dancers. I danced from 12 until 3:15 and thought it was only an hour!! :) :) Apologies for not hooking up with anyone - I think I saw a coupla people, but I didn't realize it until later - PsYcHoTrOpIcAl (or is it pSyChOtRoPiCaL, I forget), Dave? (I just deleted your mail, sorry) in the Hertz outfit- I also missed the big convulsion scene - hopefully he was OK... Also, imagine my surprise when I log in and find a note from my Software Engineering Lab LA, August (hi Sue!)... It's amazing how many people I've run across totally randomly in the last couple days... BTW - I was wearing pretty mainstream stuff (as someone from RI pointed out ;) - white jeans with an open black button down shirt, hanging out with a girl in white top and blue jeans, so if you laughed at someone of that description, that was me... :) Hmmm... I agree, there should have been more hardcore & the coast to coast hookup, but still, it was great fun and definitely worth the $$ to check out... Anyway, time to stop having fun and to go back to being yet another of, in Shannon's words, one of the "clueless, lifeless geniuses that surround me." ;) Anyway, hopefully I'll cruise on by Nebula 1 (the Boston one) and meet some folx... Thanx for listening to my random blather... L8r. ----------- - Bruce Krysiak ------//------- brucek@athena.mit.edu looking to rent or buy: 1) cool net name (hopefully with many upper- and lower- case letters :) - and - 2) interesting signature for my mail ... please help ... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Raving too far... Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 00:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Well, another kid passing out... i feel bad even if i was not there. Is raving going too far? I mean, it's supposed to be fun, not painful. If you have to dope yourself up to the point of passing out, guess it defeats the purpose of raves. My vision of the perfect rave would be drug free, a day in the park... Oh well, just another silly idea... i'll crawl back under my rock. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 02:14:51 EDT From: "Mark Danks" Subject: Moby I happened to be flipping through the CD jacket for the band Recoil, a project by Alan Wilder from Depeche Mode, and noticed that Moby does the vocals on one of the tracks. Does anyone know anything about this? It is a song called Curse, sort of a rap like vocal. Just wondering about this. lAtEr dAzE, Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. --------------------------------------------------------------- Art is not a mirror. Art is a hammer. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-unity-tyinu-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: UNITY From: Jakub Ludwinski Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 22:31:00 -0500 The Horizon Group Presents UNITY Saturday May 29th in Philadelphia DJs: Dark Raver (Holland) Lenny D. (Industrial Strength/Brooklyn) Nigel Richards (Horizon/Philly) Damon Wild (Ex Records/Equinox DJ Team) Wink (H.E.R.E./Philly) Keoki (Disco 2000/NYC) Destructo (Rave America/L.A.) Repete (Limelight/Equinox DJ Team) Tribal Team (Horizon/Philly) Boy Blake (Horizon/Philly) Live Performance by EQUINOX! nfo? Call the DEVIL LINE: (215)-2924-666 Tickets $12 in advance, $15 at the door. Tix & Trippin' Boston: Boston Beat 617-561-4790 Pitts : Turbozen 412-621-7759 D.C. : Music Now 202-638-1213 N.Y. : Vinylmania 212-463-7120 N.J. : Planet X 908-249-0304 Phila : Cafe Diva 215-567-1983 Balt. : Modern Music 410-523-1882 Phila : Sound of Market 215-627-4423 Jenkintown, PA: Suburbia Records 215-576-6324 -SJAKIE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 02:14:51 EDT From: "Mark Danks" Subject: Moby I happened to be flipping through the CD jacket for the band Recoil, a project by Alan Wilder from Depeche Mode, and noticed that Moby does the vocals on one of the tracks. Does anyone know anything about this? It is a song called Curse, sort of a rap like vocal. Just wondering about this. lAtEr dAzE, Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. --------------------------------------------------------------- Art is not a mirror. Art is a hammer. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-unity-tyinu-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 02:14:51 EDT From: "Mark Danks" Subject: Moby I happened to be flipping through the CD jacket for the band Recoil, a project by Alan Wilder from Depeche Mode, and noticed that Moby does the vocals on one of the tracks. Does anyone know anything about this? It is a song called Curse, sort of a rap like vocal. Just wondering about this. lAtEr dAzE, Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. --------------------------------------------------------------- Art is not a mirror. Art is a hammer. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-unity-tyinu-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: DRUGS From: John Rainbow Humphrey Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 08:27:07 EDT ---------- ok, i have a few questions to pop at you people out there... 1. a friend of mine thinks she wants to try 'K'...she thinks this because some friends of hers told it was a lot of fun...i have not heard good stuff about it but i would like to at least find out some semi-factual stuff...like, what the hell is it? i know (or think i know) that is not a pure drug but something someone came up aka a 'designer drug' made of other drugs mixed together... in case it varies where you get it, she would be getting it in DC...please, anyone who has tried it, or knows someone who has tried it, please let me know what the deal is...like does it phuck you up and get you addicted and screw you life or is it good and lots of phun or what?...please i don't want this friend to get on some weird shit because i really care for her... 2. another person just said that recently the DEA busted around 200 LSD labs in the US...i had heard before that there were only about that many total in the states but what do i know...it seems pretty close to impossible that this could be true and there not be anything in the news about it (not that i watch tv but someone probably would have told me if they saw it in the news) the other reason i find it unlikely is that no-one on any of the lists i'm on has mentioned it and the internet is THE source for getting information quickly, right? has anyone else heard this rumor or know any facts about it? |\ . ______ * __John Rainbow Humphrey__ | \ _ | | + john_humphrey@ncsu.edu + <--personal mail here | \ _ | | - + humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu + <--or here | \ | | - + jrhumphr@eos.ncsu.edu + |e___\ |______|/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: +8...-8 From: John Rainbow Humphrey Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 09:03:19 EDT ---------- ok, i got another question for yous: what exactly is +8 and -8 on turntables for? i mean, i know it changes the tempo, pitch, speed etc...but why 8? is 8 some arbitrary number that was picked or is there some significance or is like pi and fundamentaly linked to music...(i don't mean that pi is linked to music) does it add or subtract that many bpm? i would try to figure it by trying it but i don't have any turntables with pitch control...i suppose i could also do some other figuring out like is it possible to figure how much to change the speed in order to change the bpm a certain amount even with different records but i like to devote my mind to figuring out things that aren't known already... i heard someone when talking about beatmatching say that to match beats, you find the bpm of both records, do some simple math, and do it...does that math involve the pitch control numbers? |\ . ______ * __John Rainbow Humphrey__ | \ _ | | + john_humphrey@ncsu.edu + <--personal mail here | \ _ | | - + humphrey@unity.ncsu.edu + <--or here | \ | | - + jrhumphr@eos.ncsu.edu + |e___\ |______|/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: spirituality through technology Subject: Re: Moby yeah, moby raps on that recoil track. it's pretty cool. a decent rap. :) he wanted to rap on my new cd.. but i told him to go away.. i was washing my windows.. >>taylor.808 spiritual tek. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 10:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: spirituality through technology Subject: PICNIC! ok..some people have said they wanted to come to the picnic... mr. nutty, tareq.. will even fly out from ohio. *sigh*.. awesome! but, here are the problems still to work out: 1] where to meet? people who have never been to NYC could get lost/confused very easily... we need the picnic spot easy to find...so latecomers can hook up. 2] where to park? kris had the good idea of having people drive to hoboken NJ to park.. and then take the path train in.. that's cool! that'll work. it's much safer... also...it would cut driving time.. but, cost a little more.. to park in greenwich CT.. and then take the local (metro north) train into NYC.. it's $5 one way. not bad. there's a HUGE lot at greenwich.. friends of mine who come to visit usually park there... 3] what to do between picnic and ESSENCE? my aparment isn't big enough to hold anybody.. so, i couldn't have a party of anything...i figure.. we can picnic til it gets dark... 7 ish?.. leaving.. well.. only 2 or 3 hours before it's time to go to ESSENCE.. so, perhaps that time could be spent wandering around NYC, shopping or whatever... so, does anyone have any replies to this? answers? better ideas? if we start the picnic at 1 or 2 pm.. that should be cool. my # is: 212 941 5834... if there are any questions.. peaceout >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: +8...-8 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:26:58 -0600 (MDT) > what exactly is +8 and -8 on turntables for? i mean, i know it changes the > tempo, pitch, speed etc...but why 8? is 8 some arbitrary number that was > picked or is there some significance or is like pi and fundamentaly linked to > music...(i don't mean that pi is linked to music) does it add or subtract that Above 8 or even 10, the music really starts to sound speeded up or slowed down TOO much. 8 is generally the most you can get away with, and I don't go that far very often. > i heard someone when talking about beatmatching say that to match beats, you > find the bpm of both records, do some simple math, and do it...does that math > involve the pitch control numbers? Yes, but for the most part, it takes a little bit of ear after that point too. The pitch sliders aren't always perfectly accurate. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 11:34:18 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.COM (Dave McMahon) Subject: NEBULA 4 Well, like Tony said, they screwed it up again. Granted last time, the Lenny Dee set made up for the fact that it got busted at 4am, but this time they really fucked up. I got to the warehouse around 11am and sat in the parking lot with about 50 other people waiting for something to happen only to find out that they lost the warehouse just a few hours ago. So over to Berties which was the _extra_ club that they opened up for Nebula 3 to hold the crowd that was too big. That's it. That crummy club was the whole rave. Half the Dj's didn't show and they apparently used the sound system from the club which was pathetic to say the least. So I'm standing in a bad CLUB in Poughkeepsie, NY with 300 screaming/whistle- blowing teenagers from the local highschool. I'm thinking, "I drove 4.5 hours... for THIS?!?". The music as I walking in was breakbeat upstairs and prog house downstairs. The music downstairs eventually turned harder and then Jimmy Crash came on a little before 1am (wow, that's early!). Anyway, Jimmy spins some absolutely AMAZING Hardcore/Trance and then Mr. Kleen comes to continue the beautiful Trance. That strange but familiar *transition* period happened at around 3:30am. The goofy, floppy kiddies disappeared and the hardcore music lovers moved into a lovely body/spirit trance and the vibe was so rich and encompassing. After the Jimmy/Mr. Kleen set, somebody else spun some trancy house and at around 5ish, Jimmy came out to spin ANOTHER set of even BETTER Trance. Mr. Kleen again followed for about 10 minutes until the bass amp blew and the entire party had to be moved AGAIN to the upstairs area for the rest of the morning until 7am when the owner of Berties hurridly kicked us out. So, the party started out pretty bad and had a number of other bad things happen throughout the night, not to mention the crowd that these parties seem to attract (I should learn my lesson and not show up til 2-3am). Again the only thing that made this party worth while was the 2, count 'em 2, Brooklyn Trance sets each from Jimmy and Mr. Kleen. That was beautiful. I'd just also like to comment on the use of whistles at raves. I know this has been discussed before and I can't believe it has to come up again. Nebula 3 was only the beginning and Nebula 4 was the most absurd, annoying, obnoxious, intrusive, and offensive use of them yet. ALL night long was tweet-tweet-tweet. Not in rhythym and not in any well-placed, selective or discriminate manner. Just 50 or more kids blowing their whistles ALL night long in a tiny club during ALL of the music. It became especially annoying during the beautiful trance sets that Jimmy and Mr. Kleen spun. They, of course, seemed to disappear as the highschool trendies did during the early morning hours, but a few lingered and broke the trance of the morning vibe with their offensive whistling. Did anybody else who went also notice this behavior? Does this bother anybody else but me? Although, I must say, I've never heard it as bad as this. Like I said the Poughkeepsie scene is, well, special (to put it nicely). on the Slip scale a -1. It would have been a -4 had it not been for Jimmy and crew. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 10:12 EDT From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Subject: From Pittsburgh to Lebanon well, this weekend me and apple headed out to the Pitt in order to check out Damian and have Apple spin sunday nite at the new club in Pitt, Zoom. We get there (after i drove nine hourrs straigght during the nite and early morningg)... Pitt is a weird city, it's like someone dug a crater in the earth and put it there and dug trenches for the highways. Zoom was a dead letter we found out. Seems in Pitt, under 21 events must have a chaperone for every ten persons under that age. Oh well... no problem. There was still a rave in Cleveland for us. SO that afternoon, after hookin up with the Pitt tribe (Joe, Jake, ?some girl and Mike B.) and dame, kelly, apple and me head out to Cleveland... (my first time in the Midwest.... oooo...) GGot in at nine. Al-x the promoter let us in free provided we help out. The setup was P.H.A.T. Trampoline outside, warm air, no rain, inside was a loft on the ground floor. pretty small... looked a lot like Home Planet, for those who know what I'm talkin about. They had a SICK SICK laser setup... illegal too =) 4 watt laser, makingg incredible patterns... and imaggges... when the fogg went through the beam path, it created a three dimensional boxing effect... fuckinggg incredible. Book of Galanta, everyone's favorite ravers-whove-left-society, did the dec orations. Good job. Took a while to get started. The breaker with the sound and laser kept ggoingg out for the first two hourrs, prolly about seven times total (!). Somehow they finally fixed it. The djingg.... well, let's just say, Cleveland djs don't have much competition, so they can get away without beat matching =). Apple and Diesel spun well tho... I cant really summarize this. This night seemed to go on and on. The live band Orgaz had one fucking INCREDIBLE hartcore track, made me nearly backflip it was so mindfuck. I really wish the djingg had been more consistent tho. The djs would spin either really old stuff, or stick stuff toggether that didn't work. The house djs were pretty abysmal, altho one of them had been poking around for some old school tracks... which i enjoyed much more than the subgrade p-house he had. Oh yeah, the North Carolina dj played "I Need Your Lovin"... so i went over and scolded him ;) The crowd was ok. There are about as many hardcore ravers in Cleveland as in Hartford, apparently. a lot of clueless people showed up, wearingg regular clothes and those cheezy stockinggcaps =P ... some of them were okay, but others were just annoyingg, like they thought they were hot shit dancing or they were there looking for a fuck... well, whatever. There was still enuff room to have much fun. And wow it was fun. Even tho the music wasnt ggreat, i really couldnt stop dancing. It was overall just a nice happy little thingg. Not ggreat, but, good enuff. Sounds like it was better than Fields of Joy. Oh yeah, tried nitrous for the first time. Let's just say that when you get a big gulp in your lungs everything starts to float away and the world is full of a million little villages by forest streams with birds twittering in the trees. Well, at least thats what it was like to me. =) So yeah, it was a pretty cool thing. I'm glad i went out, and saw another piece of the US. Next stop SF i hope... this completed my tour of the northeast. BTW just some thoughts from the Fields of Joy posts... i really, really wish people would stop and think if they are really ready for a substance in their body... think if you are really stable, or strong enuff to take this thing. If you have any doubt, don't risk it. It ain't worth it. BTW2 seeing that someone was made fun of for not being decked out like a raver really pissed me off. This fashion aspect to the scene is really pissingg me off... Stussy is the albatross of ravingg. If the ravers who really cared would toss off their fucking alleggiane to skatewear we'd go a long way towards exposing the trendies for what they are and ensuring that the scenes will actually dig some roots in somewhere. Cuz the way things are going, "raving" (i use that term loosely) will be dead by the end of this summer. well... much respect to Cleveland. Their scene is small, but it's got heart. That's what matters. And peace to the Pitt crew. Kreig "...yeah! the poseur, Mr. SparklE!" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Fields of Joy Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:41:46 -0600 (MDT) > And in the > bathroom these 3 women were openly making fun of my attire (so I don't > dress in "raver" clothes. I was wearing shorts and a halter top. Its > much cooler (literally) and more comfortable for me to dance > that way.) What a farging joke. I'm really starting to be annoyed by the "fashion" of the scene. What I enjoyed about it when it was starting was the individuality of the whole thing, it was what you made it. Now it just doesn't seem complete for some people unless you're wearing a stocking cap, a stupid t-shirt, and baggies. Last weekend, we did a free rave in a field. I wore some brown pants, my red-wings, a 5K run t-shirt and a sweatshirt for an architecture firm. Why? I was damn cold. One person told me yesterday that the reason she likes our events over other people's out here is that we don't fit the parts. While everyone else is using a fake accent to advertise their "technodelica rave" on their hotlines, we're leaving simple and funny messages. What is the reason that people put so much hype into an event rather than concentrate on being creative? Gripe mode off. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 12:01:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bruce Tomblyn Subject: Re: raves + seizures... a new fad? I've seen this, too. But it's not a new thing. Many new games for the Sega Genesis system have a warning for epileptics, ya know. If you're not ep., you won't have any probs. But too many people have found out on the dance floor..... schmoo [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 12:05:35 EDT From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Joy! (fields of) On Sun, 25 Apr 93 19:40:13 -0400 you said: >600 or so tripping ravers in a MILITARY auditorium... Can we thumb our noses >at the goverment anymore :) :) :) :) It was amazing, especially due to the amount of searching that was going on on the way in. I got searched twice, once really thoroughly (didn't think I looked that suspicious). I was afraid they'd find my asthma inhaler in my pocket (gotta have that during hours in a smoke filled space) and think it was some sort of new-fangled drug. :) -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 12:29:03 EDT From: Dave Hardy Subject: Fields Of Joy fliers Anybody got any extra fliers from Fields of Joy they'd be willing to part with? The place I got the tickets from was out of them and I like to keep such things as souvenirs of the event. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:08:00 -0500 (EST) From: spirituality through technology Subject: PICNIC ok, the picnic is going to be held in strawberry fields, in central park.. NYC. i don't have the exact address yet.. but, i will soon. (if anyone else does, post it.) i know it's at central park west.. but, i'm not sure of the cross street. choosing a place like this also makes it rather easy for you to ask anybody where it is. laura had the nifty idea of little yellow smiley faces, posted up.. forming a path to the location. i'll try to do that... that's the latest from me for now. peaceout. come and join the fun. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 13:40:07 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: oops [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 13:54:25 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: RERE Fields of Joy "600 tripping Ravers in a Military base" At first I thought it was really cool to have a Rave in a Military establishment. All those positive and peaceful people dancing in a building of war and all that. Then I thought, shit, well isn't the military making money renting this space and aren't we contributing somehow to the evils of the military. Then I stopped thinking, tried to give a lolipop to some big guy in army gear, which he refused with a smile, and danced. Iv'e decided to go with my original theory of it being a good place for a rave. Maybe we left some residual vibes that will effect those who work there!!!!!!!!!Love and Safety Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:36:46 -0400 From: "comPULSEshun" Subject: Re: raves + seizures... a new fad? In message <735840118.14869.0@unix6.andrew.cmu.edu> Michael Bruce Tomblyn writes: > I've seen this, too. But it's not a new thing. Many new games for the Sega > Genesis system have a warning for epileptics, ya know. What is it about epilepsy (sp?) that doesn't like a lot of visual stimulous? I was lucky (unlucky for him) enough to have a friend who bought one of those expensive "Innerquest" brain machines just to find out that he couldn't use it because he's ep. So he GAVE it to me! I don't know, though, it doesn't do much for me. Also, I saw that guy at FoJ getting carried off and it really scared me for a while. I don't understand why people aren't more careful with their bodies. I know its hella worse if you're the one who passes out, but I have to say that one guy ruined a lot of people's good time. Well, at least for a little while. I had a lot of fun at FoJ just because of the people. It seemed as if everybody was having a great time! Except, maybe the guy who passed out :( Even if this wasn't one of the greatest raves, it was exceptionally fun! I didn't meet that many ne'ers, I met Brendan and Leslie although I was kinda in my own little vibe and didn't pause to talk (sorry). Anyway, enough from me! Bye... Chris [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 26 Apr 1993 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU Subject: Nebula 4.... ... .Yes Dave I did notice the ob noxious overuse of whistles at the rave thats why I was upstairs the whole time pretty much.....When I quietly in bed at night I can still hear them a'blowin.....TrendTrenTrend- It'll fade soon..I hope, then they'll learn when to use it.... -ToNy_ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:15:32 -0400 From: mIkE rObErTs Subject: Re: DRUGS K is short for Ketamine. I don't really know anything about it except it is like a nitrous hit that last a lot longer.....:) I heard (from reliable persons) that it is a cat tranqualizer used in animal shelters and by vets. That would make it sound similar to PCP, which is a horse tranqualizer. Either way, it dosen't sound like it could be too great for your body. 2000 lab bust???? There is just no way. I saw a little news clip on CBS or ABC (I know, I know, don't believe the media) about the DEA's crackdown on labs and the DEA agent said that the estimate on the number of labs is around 50. He also mentioned that busting them was difficult because most were reputable chemist making a little (or I would say a lot, ALOT!) extra money on the side. ^^^^ that should say 200, NOT 2000.....sorry OK, so a little math: 50 estimated labs (producers) of LSD - 200 reported (maybe) busts ---------------------------------------------- = -150 labs in the country now It dosen't add up. Expecially when it dosen't seem to be any harder to buy it. Has anyone had trouble? Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Dante - the man, the myth, the legend. hi people! Had a good time at Temple of motion this weekend after alot of trouble and worry leading up to it. Riding the metro in DC is fun. Anyway, Dante span for two hours and was really good. Weird thing is though, he was MC Dante that night. He introduced himself, put on a really ambient record and told us that he wouldn't spin until some people that were sitting down either got up and danced or moved to the side. He then gave us a lecture on what rave was about. I though it was fun - when he cut back to his usual stuff, he saw more people sitting in the dance area and went over there to move them himself! I also saw him telling the people to not use anymore fog because "its taking away the energy of everyone." Its a shame that there were people lying around at this time, I dont think I've ever danced as much as I did that night. His set included some magical mixing, on three turntables at times. I flashed him my ne-raves badge at one time and we got time to talk. He said he hopes to join us all in the next few weeks - he has his modem and all but needs to pick up his terminal. He seemed really enthusiastic about it all and told me to say hello to you all. :) what a nice man... On a different note, DJ Trance from Los Angeles gave me his promo tape which is pretty good. Its not quite what his name might suggest though - more hip-hop influenced, lots of fast cuts, samples, and has some very creative sampling (including nirvana!) :) nice stuff.... _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:38:04 -0400 From: "comPULSEshun" Subject: fashion and whistles... A couple of people have already mentioned certain styles and stuff that people tend to dress in at raves (and out of course) and that made me remember talking to a girl I met at FoJ. I spent around half and hour trying to explain why people wore really big pants. She's from Barcelona and FoJ was her first rave in the states. When I asked her what people wore in Spain at raves she just kinda shrugged and pulled at my shirt. I guess she meant just long-sleeve T's and stuff. She also said that in Spain a lot of DJ's mix in Vivaldi and Classical spanish guitar and stuff like that! That'd be real interesting, I think. Also, about whistles, I remember a spanish teacher of mine telling me how whistles were real big for a while in the Disco era, then everyone got anoyed at people who didn't blow them at acceptable times so they died out :) Chris [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 15:44:57 EDT From: WILL-E Subject: "K" or Ketamine, seizures John Lilley, who experimented with ketamine in isolation tanks. (You'll remember Lilley from the film about his experiments, Altered States) wrote much about the drug. By the way, to my knowledge, that's not what he's messing with in the film. To my understanding, ketamine is still legal as hospitals used to use it as an analgesic/anasthetic in emergency cases (ex. you need to have your arm amputated IMMEDIATELY). I've heard rumours about it being used for animals. Funny, in Britain I heard it was used on rabbits or cats/dogs. Yet here, I have even heard rumours about it being used on horses or was it elephants? What to believe? let's start all over with the earth being flat and the center of the universe to LSD having strychnine. I guess the government is doing a good job of spreading fear and myths about drugs. Regarding it's safety, I've read a few different things and nothing so far has said that it's damaging in any way. Hopitals don't use it much these days as patients report having very strange dreams while under. It originally comes in liquid form, ready to be injected intramuscularly. Yes, it your buttocks, NOT your veins! If you let it sit out to dry, it turns into a white powder that you can snort. It hits you quick & HARD. I can't imagine doing it in a club/rave atmosphere. It becomes difficult to do anything physical. All you want to do is lie down, get very comfortable, close your eyes, and listen to musick. This drug is VERY psychedelic, now I DID NOT say hallucinatory. There is a difference. I've heard some call it a psychedelic version of heroin, but IT IS NOT ADDICTIVE. In fact, after trying it, you don't have the urge to do it again for a while. Musick sounds MOST amazing on it however. Make sure you have the most wicked ambient tape to listen to. You certainly don't want to listen to dance musick on it. You just want to chill out as you seriously become part of the musick and get taken away with it. Your whole body becomes slightly numb & heavy yet MANY people report having an out of body experience, seeing GOD, etc. It probably stimulates the 8 circuit on Timothy Leary's 8 circuit model of consciousness unlike LSD which probably stimulates circuit number 6. Therefore, it doesn't seem to disrupt your ego but instead you are detached from it. It lasts anywhere from 2 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours. I've seen on a rare occasion it making people vomit. My advice is: don't try and fight it and don't attempt to run around & dance on it. Let it take you away. For the first time, take a small amount. With current street prices, $5 worth should send you soaring. I can imagine people doing it in chill out rooms but I suggest staying home the first time where you feel comfortable, have a bed & friends around you. The next day, you feel fine and fully recovered. No after effects unlike MOST drugs. Apparently, ecstacy is being mixed with ketamine for that intensified musical effect. I've heard reports of people being able to successfuly read other people's minds while under this combination! However, this combination can also lead to epileptic attacks as confirmed to me by doctors in England. If you believe you have taken one of these, drink plenty of water, AVOID alcohol at all costs, and dont' exert yourself dancing. Enjoy the experience but do CHILL OUT! They're only dangerous if you don't take care with your- self. enjoy. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 16:18:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Triptronic / Orb The latest "further" magazine from the Atomic Vibe crew states that Triptronics next event, THICK, will happen on May 8th in the DC/Balt area. It also says that Alex Patterson from the Orb will be spinning an 8-hour chill out set here. No further info is available since, as far as I know, there arent any flyers at this time. _ (_ ) ) ( ) _( ( (_ (_) ( (_( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 16:25:52 -0400 From: Dan English Subject: fields of joy camper's review: space: scary military people, ignore them and they leave you alone. time: didnt get kicken til after 2 for me, i got there at 10. (and most importantly) MUSIC: sameer: okay house, didnt tickle my fancy, ive heard better house djs in boston jason jinx: soun for a short time, i didnt get into it that much debo: spun a very debo-esque set: lots of piano keyboard and female vocals. quite nice, except he played "show me love" by robin s. which was already plaeyd once. i made a point of looking for him before he went on to tell him not to play it, but couldnt find him. it just felt like a night that debo would play that track. tin tin: another nice set, but seing as i have heard him spin all 5 times in the last week since he got here, i didnt here anything new. i loive his records but he should bring two crates next time. ONIONZ: well, what can i say. you know i love him, but wait! was this the onionz of old? no, it was onionz playing tracks that he has never played before, hard and fast and acid. even john adams liked him, and john doesnt like anybody. at the peak of his set, and the rave, he spun Donna Summers "i feel love". picture this: you are completely into the groove, sweating balls, all tranced out, and you hear it: i feel looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooovvve. i was in total ecstacy. it is now my fondest rave memory, that moment i was so high i thought i could burst through the ceiling. whjo needs drugs. robbie hardkiss: got off to a slow start(skipped the first record on the trans transition) and the rythm wasnt smooth at first. he warmed up nicely though, and spun a set similair to that at venus de milo this past thursday. i really liked him, but honestly onionz was better. he is a super spaztic guy, as i talked with him at venus and axis last week. he has good vibe about him. i was talking to brian, dj mayhem about onionz set. he was like: no matter how much i practice, i could never get that good, refering to his double record mix of energ record mix of energy blast. it was super dooper. this brings me to another point, off the subject. DJ worship. yes, i worship onionz. but let me qualify it. out of the 50 or so times i have heard him spin, i didnt absolutely love it twice. also, i know him. he is a beautiful person and i wouldnt say i love onionz if i only ,meant the records he spins. anyways, i had a great time at the rave. afterwards, we left and hung out at david(bigfunhouse)'s house. i was completely loopy, cause i danced so hard i knocked the brain right outta my head. i talked about moist towletts for an hour. then we went to the after hours, it was above venus de milo, and they were charging to get into a ridiculously small space, and everyone said it was yucky so i jkust hung out outside for a while. that was fun anyhow. enough babble for today, more tomorrow. -camper. * stay groovy. camper english it ain't easy, being cheesey @buphy.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: The Ultimate Seduction THE ULTIMATE SEDUCTION June 12, 1993 A major event in the Baltimore-Washington area taking place outdoors in two large circus tents Featuring top DJs from North America & England INFO-LINE: 410.563.7880 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:51:18 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Rave-o-matic info Hey, if anyone has info for the r-o-m, please post it so can put it in the next one coming to ya tommrow. peace, doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: soundz@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Nebula 1 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:53:49 EDT dj jimmy hat will be spinning at Nebula 1 in Boston this Saturday, 4/30. JIM [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:52:40 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Earth Day rave in Providence Hey everyone, did anyone go to the earth-day rave in Providence on friday, April 23? if so how did it go? peace, doug ))))) rave junkie ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: soundz@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Nebula 1 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 17:56:28 EDT dj jimmy hat will be spinning at Nebula 1 in Boston on Saturday, 4/30. JIM [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 18:33:52 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Joy, last time... Whoops, I forgot to say that if i didn't seem very talkative at Joy, it's because I'm not too into talking in the main room (too much noise). The conversation always goes: -"BLAHBLAHBLHABLAHBLAH!" (other person)-"WHAT!?!?" -"I SAID BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH!!!!" But, if you get me in the chill out room, I'll gladly converse (as long as I'm not trying to get somewhere with a member of the opposite sex). I got unsubscribed from the list (I'm back on now) for about a day I guess. Did I miss anything? Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Apr 93 18:38:33 -0500 From: brendan mcdougall Subject: Karma and FOJ I really like to look at raving as a metaphor for things I like, especially the cliche things like unity, community, individuality, and committment to causes. When I hear the drug-free rantings and see the actuality of a rave, I'm disappointed. I'm not a 100% purist either, but I don't think drugs should be such a big part of the scene. Too, this isn't the best forum for this discussion because so many of us are responsible ravers. I haven't heard about an ne-raver od'ing at a rave. We just need to get the message out past ne-raves. OD's: I think if we see a manifest od we should get security or the person's friends to take them home. I think most of us at FOJ saw that kid--maybe 14,15yrs--run around for awhile. I think we all just hoped he'd come down soon. It didn't happen. He got higher. What if he died or hurt someone else. There would be no venues for any scene around Boston. The only thing that probably saved the Boston scene is: this report couldn't make the papers. Do you think the National Guard wants to go on record as hosting a rave where drugs were used and an adolscent od'ed? Too, I'd be very surprised if one was ever done again at an Armory. Karma Patrol: We should be the karma patrol of the scene. No one likes babysitting, but we could nurture the scene in other ways. For example, I think I defused a potential fight by talking to the non-ravers after the od'ing kid busted through their group. We could just be say hi to everyone at a rave. You can't ignore 20 smiling people handing out goodies at a rave. Its contagious and all the wanna-be's are going to do it at their next rave. Stop vandalism and all the negatives at a rave. We're just going to lose the scene if we don't take care of it. Uniforms: Just suck! Sometimes I go in baggies, sometimes I just go, but I only want to have fun from/with the vibe. I can't believe that people were getting dissed on their clothes. Another way to spot the--sorry sparkle--poseurs and educate them. I don't care what you wear. If you're friendly and you believe in the scene, you're in my tribe. Peace out, Brendan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 18:38:42 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: #10 reason not to listen to classic rock #10 reason NOT to listen to classic rock (also the quote of the day): "Mama told me not to come." -3 dog night (sad that I know this) Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 18:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bruce Tomblyn Subject: Drugs =-) A few friends of mine are reading but don't have posting privileges. They want us all to post our :Top Five Ravin' Drugs" lists along with "time under", Do's and Dont's, etc. I don't know much about the drug physiology to tell them much, as I don't them often.............. Thanx in advance, schmoo [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 18:56 EDT From: ST933352@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU Subject: K STAY AWAY FROM SPECIAL K IT'S NOT THE DREAM YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THANX FOR LISTENING APPLEPIE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 19:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: Drugs =-) On Mon, 26 Apr 1993, Michael Bruce Tomblyn wrote: > A few friends of mine are reading but don't have posting privileges. > They want us all to post our :Top Five Ravin' Drugs" lists I hate to be crude but tell your friends to fuck off. --Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: #10 reason not to listen to classic rock Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:16:38 -0600 (MDT) > "Mama told me not to come." -3 dog night (sad that I know this) Do you mean to tell me that nobody out there plays those great Wolfgang Press remixes? "This is the strangest party that I've ever been" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 19:30:53 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Loooooove Camper says, "it is now my fondest rave memory" refering to Onionz playing Donna Summer "i feel love" Me too!!! That was the best part of Fields of Joy for me. Everyone around me was going nuts,you know when your eyes are closed and youre so into the music you forget your near people, 'till you open them and everyone all around you smiling people with THeir eyes closed?.............. Definately one of my best Rave moments too. Safety and Love Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Severe Trauma - Special K Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 19:43:44 EDT I've read a bit about Ketamine from two sources and, honestly, it sounds quite scary. The first time I heard about it was in the book 'Storming Heaven: The LSD Story' [The subtitle is probably not quite right] when a psychiatrist who had experimented with the drug (an animal tranquilizer) described it as having a totally debilitating effect; separation of the ego from the body, disorientation, out-of-body experience, synaesthesia - much more extreme than LSD (hard to imagine!). He also reported that his return to 'normalcy' was very difficult and became harder the more times he took it. He eventually stopped the experiment for fear of causing permanent brain damage. I can be a good deal less vague with my second source since I have it with me. It's a recent book by Dr. Ronald K. Seigel called 'Fire In The Brain: Clinical Tales Of Hallucination'. Dr. Siegel is a psychiatrist who specializes in studying the hallucinatory state in humans. He shows that the structure of hallucinations is quite similar across cultures and regardless of the cause of the hallucination (drugs, deprivation, schizophrenia, dreams). He describes seventeen case studies of his patients, four of which were due to 'Visionary Drugs'. One of these involves ketamine. About this substance, he writes: (Describing how hallucinogens affect the brain) "LSD is typical of hallucinogens that produce intermittent changes in perception. But some halluciniogens, such as mescaline, cause continuous synchronized waves in the brain, thus generating longer-lasting hallucinations. One hallucinogen, KETAMINE, drives the electrical activity in the brain to such extreme levels of arousal that it's in a class by itself. In addition to hallucinations, the trip is full of sensory distortions. But ketamine also renders users catleptic and unable to move. The brain is alive and awake, but it seems oddly disconnected from the body. There is no sense of touch, no pain, and no way to resist. People become so tractable that anything can be done to them, even surgery. This is the stuff of which waking nightmares are made." Later, Siegel states: "...ketamine is a powerful abreactive agent - it breaks down the will to resist. In 1973 a team of Iranian psychiatrists was the first to exploit this effect, and, since that time, ketamine has been used to abduct unwilling victims of hostage and terrorist operations. At certain doses, people can be persuaded to stop resisting because they realize they are powerless. This is not quite brainwashing, but using ketamine to tame unruly behavior can accomplish similar goals. It has even been used to manage kidnapping victims as fictionalized by the late Alfred HYitchcock in his 1976 film 'Family Plot' [anyone seen this?]." Finally, Siegel states that Ketamine has the ability to 'erase memories' of what happens under its influence. From these two quotes it would be easy to reach the conclusion that Siegel is a WOD stooge with wacko conspiracy theory leanings but ketamine is the only substance he is extremely negative about in his book. He is quite enthusiastic about the 'mind-expanding' effects of pot,LSD, peyote, and sensory deprivation tanks (!!). The book contains many citations from other sources of information on ketamine as well as other substances that may cause hallucinations. Highly recommended reading. BTW, Siegel's chapter on ketamine is about a guy who used it in the early eighties to drug women he met in clubs in order to have his brutal way with them (he mixed K with cocaine). Because the victims could not remember what happened he always got away...except for this one time that his victim was able to remember and with the help of Siegel, was convicted of multiple rape charges. To find out why she remembered, you'll have to read the book! As a postscript, this chapter convinced me that K was too nasty to try, in a similar way that William S. Burroughs 'Junky' convinced me that Heroin was nuttin' but bad news. On the flip side, A. Huxley's 'The Doors of Perception' along with 'Heaven and Hell' is the most compelling argument for controlled psychedelic experience I have ever encountered. On a musical note, thanks to Laura's (DJ Prime Number) description of the 'Critical MAss EP' I finally acquired my own copy. Nice and noisy with a wonderfully fucked up intro into 'Severe Trauma'. There is a compilation CD out of Dance International tracks now , which includes this song. Over the weekend, I managed to catch Newbury Comics on a good day and acquired 'X-Crash Vol.2' on direct drive 'Tribes On The Moon EP' Force Inc, a similar EP on Communism Records, Edge Records #7 (lots of Acid tinge thanks to Structure), Crusher EP (from Philadelphia, black label , maybe Wink?), Psychosis EP (Mike Wells from >1 on Rabbit City Records) and two EPs from a label which I believe is called 'Death!' from NYC, one called 'WAR' the other 'TreTek' both of which sound like they could be on Underground Resistance. Test Dept. also has a new foray into the techno world that ends with some pummelling metallic percussion. If any of this sounds interesting to Boston area people, may I humbly suggest you tune in to WMBR 88.1 FM Monday night starting at 10:30 pm for 45 minutes where slections from the abpove will be played. The rest of the two hours will be a slow dissolution into noise. -Chris Teixeira 'Total State Machine' [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 16:41:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Raving too far... >Well, another kid passing out... i feel bad even if i was not there. Is raving >going too far? I mean, it's supposed to be fun, not painful. If you have to >dope yourself up to the point of passing out, guess it defeats the purpose of >raves. My vision of the perfect rave would be drug free, a day in the park... Well, most illegal drugs are pretty safe *if*used*correctly* - the *correctly* is the hard part. I'm definitely not against using drugs at raves, but people should learn to appreciate the two as separate experiences that, if mixed well, can be a good thing, but has certain pratfalls. People should do each separately before combining them, IMHO... Perhaps the solution would be, if you're really concerned about the number or people harming themselves, to come up with a flyer which tells people how to avoid hurting themselves should they choose to dose. It should definitely not be anti-drug, but pro-moderation. Knowlege is power, and if you arm people with the wisdom of those with experience in this, you allow them to protect themselves. This has been done in SF with the info-E flyers, with really good results. Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Drugs =-) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:45:28 -0600 (MDT) > They want us all to post our :Top Five Ravin' Drugs" lists along with > "time under", Do's and Dont's, etc. I don't know much about the drug > physiology to tell them much, as I don't them often.............. 1. H20 Time Under: Momentary relief, especially if you're moving. Do: Drink Don't: Dump over body when at high temperatures 2. Strobe Lights Time Under: 30 seconds to seven hours, depending on the light person. Do: Throw your hands around to see them in different areas when you know they aren't there. Don't: Watch if you're epileptic. 3. That cool color wheel thing they used in the Orb video and that they have at 1015 Folsom Time Under: Not enough. Do: Gawk at and state, "Oh God." Don't: Attempt to buy. 4. A yummy smoothy with superficial smart "drugs" Time Under: I'm not sure. Do: Try. Don't: Drink a ton of it. Same goes for milkshakes. 5. Music Time Under: A real long time a coming now. Do: Listen Don't: Diss [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 19:46:08 EDT From: GOREHAMJ%AM.mrgate@aspen.ulowell.edu Subject: Top5 Raving Drugs 1. Almond Joy Bars.. If you don't mind the fake coconut sticking in your teeth, this is a great drug for a rave. They don't melt easily for some reason, the nuts provide protein, and they are split in half already which is great for sharing. 2. Tapp water. Provides many metals humans need, and is cheaper than paying $1 for evian(naive spelt backwards). 3. Green apples. Clean your teeth, and make you burp (always a good thing) Full of sugar for a great sug-rush. Usually good after 3 am for a pick up. 4. My best friend/soul mate Julie. If you don't know her, I'll introduce you. She's the best drug I've ever tried. 5. Music. Beit trance, hardcore, breakbeat, house or any combonation thereof its what makes the rave. Not the drugs. I've found any real drugs hinder my ability to comunicate and sometimes to dance, so these are the ones I recommend. After seeing people carried out by white coats, I'm reluctant to recommend any. Love and Safety Jackie of JackieandJulie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Top5 Raving Drugs From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta') Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 20:23:02 EDT Well that was a nice list. However, I would recomend: !) Carbofuel - great rush from the fugars, and excellent sustainable energy from the carbs, plus it has mineral....etc.... @) Oranges, especially juicy ones, there are fun to peel (esp on cid) and they cure alot of problems assocaited with stayinup, provide sugar, liquid, and vit C, VERY important antioxident to keep the smoke from hurting your lungs plus it is NEEDED for respiration. #) Vitamin C-drops, sooths yer' throat from all the smoke and yelling in your friends ears, plus provides the above mentioned Vit C. Besides all that - I just heard the coolest song i think I have ever heard - Menatls Distortions - "Who are they". WOW! My neighbors could not beat it down with metalica (well their sound sytems do not have great high volume sound either - they need better speakers and amps.....and enought witht he tape s already) And yet another side note - I am planning to start reading in earnest info on a drug which effects only the Visual Cortex, Thats right kiddies only the V.C., therefore ya only get nice visuals, no psychosis....(which I personal ly enjoy - seriously ). Just remeber - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta' Io20903@MaIne.mAINe.EdU The U of Maine U.S.A. Make your voice heard, or you will be crushed! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Spaced Out in Cleveland this is crossposted. One of the best raves i've been to was put on in Cleveland on Saturday night called Spaced Out. The story: Saturday, Mr Sparkle and Applepie came into Pittsburgh, originally for AP to spin at new club ZOOM. ZOOM fizzled, and so we took them to Cleveland with us for the Sooper Wack Kids production. We arrived very early, and were let in free (oh yeah..), i assume for being friends of Al-x the main Kid(which I am). We helped out set up and I watched a door for a few hours (actually an hour or two). My first trip into the space was impressive. Small warehouse space, someone's studio, and Perfect. big wall of sound off to the left corner, and video toaster setup in the far left corner. right in front was the TOTALLY MINDBLOWING Green/blue laser, illegally put *3 feet* off the ground and 10 feet in front of a scrim seperating the lasers from the ravers. These were the most incredible visuals i've EVER seen.There were also 3 (6?) intellibeams. the guys with the toaster were video expirimentalists all night, mixing live video with effects and graphics which were taped. (I am getting a copy of the tape and have heard that it's incredible) There were a few sound problems which were easily solved and really didn't interrupt too much. the front door was a long tunnel flooded with blacklights and neon glowing spraypainted floorpaper and neon pics on the walls. Not many people showed up (500 tops?) but that was okay. Out back was a trampoline set up where we spent alot of time bouncing and chilling. I met the Book of Galanta tribe( remember the Maine people who turned on, tuned in, and really dropped out, and now travel around to help people set up scenes?) and they were very genuinely nice people. Jen, Phoebe, Roger, Pete and Sid(who did not stop dancing(really.) even when there was no music and she was sitting on the trampoline outside. They were responsible for getting most of the visuals, including the mesh hanging from the ceiling everywhere and the spraypainted paper art. They made for an incredible experience, and urge everyone to attend their next event, which will probably be with SooperWackKids. The downside... No vibe, or very little. I kept thinking that if this rave were populated with only net.ravers, it would be the rave to end all raves. Ne ravers in da house:me, damian, Kreig, AP, Joe Lesesne, Jacob, Tareq and Golden Boy(good to see ya!!!),Matt, Simon and the CMU crew. also met Jsquared from MWraves. This rave was fantastic..more of you will have to come down for the next one. peace mikebee [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 20:33:35 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Top 5 raving drugs In the vein of the other lists...the list of a non-drug user... 1. Water Do-Drink it, squirt it at others with a squirt gun, dump on oneself when body temp is too high. Dont-Throw large amounts at people, deprive oneself of it, try to breathe when under it. 2. Pixy Stics (propa spellin) Come on, you know you loved 'em as a kid... Do-Eat it, share with others (they're cheap), keep an ample supply. Don't-Eat a lot (gives heartburn), get a pocketfull of it wet, run out of it 3. Jolt Cola Warning! Tastes like shit! Strong Caffiene taste! Do-Consume before raving (allow ample time to de-bloat). Don't-Consume before sleeping (cause you won't), drink a case (you'll explode), squirt at others in a squirtgun. 4. Meeting new people Do- Do it! Don't- not do it, make a bad first impression (I'll give ya a second chance, though.) 5. Dancing with someone who finds you irresistable (For me, a member of the opposite sex) Do-Look at this person in the eyes, smile, hold BOTH of this person's hands while dancing with him/her, get this person's NAME & # for future reference Don't- Pass up a chance to kiss said person, do the opposite of stuff on the "DO" list. Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: I forgot the rest..... From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta') Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 20:37:14 EDT Top 5 here we go... 1/ carbofuel - 2/ oranges 3/ vit c-drops 4/ K! - just a joke!!!!! 4/ for real - my car, go there to relax and chill out sometimes. 5/ I'll leave this one up to interpretation. I don't think that I need to state it implicitly - leave it tacit. Another note - on the prevoise message about K - The sensory input from your peripheral nervous system is tranduced in graded receptor potentials. These potental interpret information in logarithmic scales (powers of 10). Other characterisitics of these RP's are: very accurate, very subtile changes produce very LARGE responses - this relation is a power function; also RP's are transmitted to many parts of you brain. The effects of K are quite understandable. If a drug alters the electrical activity (potentals of the brain) then K has your brain by the proverbial balls. It can create any effect it desires. If random RP and AP's are created (the effect of K, Mesc, LSD, MDMA. etc) the brain interprests these events. This intrepretation is the HALLMARK of the human brain - it is called the completion phenomena. IF information does not fit a pattern know to your brain, it must FORCE it to fit. This effect is most boldly demonstrated in the visual system. Patients have been found with 70% retinal field disfunction, but will not notice it. The reason why...the completion phenomena. There are many areas the retina where you have no receptive fields; these are all compensated from by this occurance. Therfore: if K produce extreme electical activity it will put the brain into OVERDRIVE, and a chain of events will occur, more glucose will be metaboli zed to keep up with alll the sensory input, therefore metabolic rate will increase, more h2o used.....and we have a vicouse cycle to dehydration, which as I hacve stated earlier effects the brain the most. The outcome will be a dreadful seizure/paralytic state. Note: Acid works completely differently - it is done its duty in 20 minutes after ingestion. E is even more different - it is a amphetamine deriviative,so it will drive cAMP prduction crazy AND case increase RP's.... Well, I hope I was not too medical. GOOD information is available about these things from the books mentioned by anotehr person on this list, plus a host of others: Flesh of the gods; The dictionary of drugs from A to Z; ....type Halluc at your local library's prompt, or Lyser or Other specific name s of drugs. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta' Io20903@MaIne.mAINe.EdU The U of Maine U.S.A. Make your voice heard, or you will be crushed! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 20:52:20 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: Drugs n raves I forgot who posted, I believe it was Brendan... I like the idea of having a drug safety sheet. I know not everyone chooses to learn all about a drug before using it. Some do's and don'ts would be great. You probably all know by now I don't do any drugs. I used to want to, and I'm still curious about them, but I know I cannot try them. I used to be an alcoholic (I've been off for about oh, 8 months now), and I have what's called an addictive personality, which makes me susceptible to addiction very easily, among other bad effects. Anyway, I have no desire whatsoever to drink, and I don't even think like I used to when I was drinking, so I consider myself recovered. Point- I'm not anti-drug, but I think one should consider the motives behind their drug use. If it's bringin' you down, then do something about it. It's for the best. I mean alcohol, coke, H, X, glue, whatever you're into. Try raving straight. Hell, I have the time of my life... Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:06:39 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: The Clothes You Wear I'm afraid I'm guilty of "dissin" some of yall when I referred to some as "mainstreamers". I don't use this in a negative term, just to refer to what is a socially common way of dressing. Nothing wrong with it. Just becasue I wear a jumpsuit to raves doesn't mean I expect everyone to dress like a phreak. Besides, if everyone did, I wouldn't get any attention!! Dress how ya like, kid! I don't even own a pair of big jeans (gasp!). Stay fresh, kids! -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Se-Wai Lee Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 18:19:06 PDT Subject: RE: #10 reason not to listen to classic rock One vote here. I've overplayed that song since I first got my hands on the 1991 double LP+remix 12" package. The other Wolfgang Press tracks aren't so good though. - C.Y. ---------- ::From: Pete Ashdown ::To: NE Raves ::Subject: #10 reason not to listen to classic rock ::Date: Monday, April 26, 1993 5:16pm :: ::> "Mama told me not to come." -3 dog night (sad that I know this) :: ::Do you mean to tell me that nobody out there plays those great Wolfgang Press ::remixes? :: ::"This is the strangest party that I've ever been" :: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: my thoughts on Ultraworld 6 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:37:55 -0500 Ultraworld was one of the best raves I have ever attended. The overall feeling I had was pure bliss for the first few hours, confusion for the last few hours. This was due to the fact that I xed for the first time and ran in to a rather unpleasant "raver." Email me if interested in the details. Myself, Laura, Soma and his roommate Ted arrived at the warehouse around 12:30am. After being patted down and having our bags searched, we were admitted. Upon entry, the lighting was a bit bright but became dimmer as the night wore on. The visuals were fantastic: two slide projections on either wall, a film projection above the dj booth, and a thick green laser high above the crowd. At times the laser would be positioned to reflect off a disco ball and fan out beams onto the floor and people dancing. It looked like people had spots of cyalume (glow juice) all over their clothes. Neat effect. Also, at times a suspended white screen would unfold and the laser would doodle on it. We found a nice opening on the floor and dropped our gear. At this point the music was ok. Some nice breakcore and tribal. I was more preoccupied with examining the surroundings, so I grabbed a handful of glow neclaces, walked through the crowd, and handed them out. I ran out in oh, say, 2 minutes. But there was more where that came from! :) The amount of beer (therefore, beer cans on the floor) present was amazing. Whereas most people would camp around their bookbags, others gathered about cases of Beast. I also witnessed the gang lines marching about, but they mostly walked along the outskirts of the dance floor without disrupting anything. Overall there was very little animosity exhibited between the ravers/non-ravers, with the exception of a couple isolated instances. :( For example, when I rejoined my group some of the people next to us started to mosh and spit on the floor. So we simply gathered our stuff and moved. I went and made another necklace run (gotta keep that vibe alive!) and came back to find that Susie and some of the UMD crew had joined us. I think Zach was the only person I met from UMD (hi!). I was the guy with the flannel fresh jive hat. By this time the music had picked up considerably: Dave Trance, followed by Wash (some wicked acid), followed by Dante, and then Dante, and um, Dante. I swear his set lasted over 3 hours. Or maybe there was just a rift in the space-time continuum. Music has never taken me higher and I truly learned what bass bin worshiping is all about. It's not surpising that people began to applaud. During Wash's set, Duncan led me to a secluded door he had discovered in one of the chill out rooms. Beyond it was a maze of abandoned, carpeted office space. The biggest find was a clean bathroom! We crashed against a wall next to some discarded plastic cases. Duncan picks one of them up, says "holy shit!" and hands it to me: "Poison - Do Not Touch." Thanks, man. :) We washed our hands and left. At about 3am, I gave away my remaining bracelets and glow sticks. In case it's not painfully obvious, I'm addicted to the glow stuff. I order loads of it with the intent to sell, but it becomes too much of a hassle. It's really neat to bring a smile to someone's face, too. Ah, well. That about sums up my experience. Many thanks to Ted for driving us to and from Charlottesville. I hope to make it to Tripotronic and the Mall picnic on May 8th. Later, Paul PS. I think one of the funniest images I saw was a beer-drinker playing air guitar to some hard trance. I guess he was just enjoying himself the best way he knew how. PPS. Personally, I am a beer-lover. I just choose not to do it at a rave. In fact, I don't care what anyone does at a rave, as long as it doesn't interrupt another's fun. -- enzo@virginia.edu beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Convulsing Ravers From: phaedra@mindvox.phantom.com (jane weaver) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:35:20 EDT regarding the kids who have fits and pass out at raves: maybe instead of drug-free raves, there should be TEEN-free raves tee hee btw: In Kzimmerman's message he complained about people there dressed in "regular clothes" with stupid stockinghats. hmmm. Then he got pissed because Bruce felt like a dolt at a rave because he was dressed too normal. Well, which is it, kzimmerman? I know what you mean, really, but jes making trouble... The last few raves that me and chuck-e have been to have been extreme fashion shows. The kids there are too dressed up to dance, they just stand out and pose and pose--and the girls hang out in the bathroom, smoking cigs and acting like little toughs...I love the rave-look, it makes so much sense in teh context of a rave, ya know, the androgyny, the loose oversized clothes that look great with crazy arm movements, the sneakers that are made for hours and hours of dancing--the bobbly hats. But when it becomes a scene that says "look how much i spent on my clothes--fuhgeddit. One of the coolest raves i've ever been to was the storm rave last september in the truck warehouse (not the december barn disaster) and most of the kids there looked like they could have been going to a U2 concert. The vibe, the dancing, THE MUSIC was what mattered, not how decked out you were. I hate feeling uncomfortable because I dont have all the gear. that doesn't mean I'm not committed.. BTW: strawberry fields is at 72 St and CPW--just across the street from the Dakota. jane [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:44:27 -0400 From: "comPULSEshun" Subject: drugs... While we're on the thread of drugs, can someone tell me whether or not ecstasy shows up on piss tests? I've heard that LSD doesn't. Can someone mail me, or the list if the info is real good, about what shows up and what doesn't? And if anyone has info of how long 'e' stays in the system (read: how long to clean out) I'd appreciate it! I have to pee for my job this summer and I haven't been a very good boy lately! :( knowledge is safety! (more times than not) Chris [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:58:22 -0400 From: donato@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: FoJ ok, my first review in a LONG time.. :) but then again, as someone once said probably, raves are completely personal, so don't listen to what anyone says :) i think the space they chose was silly... wonderland was MUCH better overall. i personally saw god when tin tin played "buruchacca" a truly spiritual song. (i wasn't able to enjoy it at GRIN cuz i was completley dead tired :( ) if hardcore is what onionz played for those 30 minutes, bring on the hardcore! if hardcore is what lenny dee, et al played at Atlantis, then hardcore mu die! (oops, must) from 530-7am landsdown st was occupied by close to 100 ravers. since we couldn't get into the after hours, we played music out of cars, and grooved, and took pictures, and filmed even! (thanx to pete, wherever u are...) they tried to cahrge us 5 bucks, then 4, then 2... we flat out refused. so they let us in for free :) keep on groovin, all. donato [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 19:03:03 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Drug talk -please move it. Shouldn't all this drug talk be moved to alt.drugs ? I don't like it and I think a lot of other people feel the same way. Remember, the Internet receives federal funding.If we want to have people realize that raves aren't about 16 year old idiots on drugs -maybye a good place to start would be here.If it's germaine to the situation being discussed great (like appropriate sex in movies..) but questions about 'favorite drugs'...Come on... Grow up. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 22:09:53 -0400 From: "comPULSEshun" Subject: Forwarded Message... I hit 'reply' and forgot to change the address for this baby. M.B.T. sent it back to me, but I asked him to forward it to the list, so here it is. I hope he didn't send it to you too. ------------ Forwarded Message begins here ------------ From: "comPULSEshun" Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 19:21:56 -0400 To: mt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Drugs =-) In message Michael Bruce Tomblyn writes: > A few friends of mine are reading but don't have posting privileges. > > They want us all to post our :Top Five Ravin' Drugs" I don't know, for some reason this sounds wierd. I can't say that I'm one of those who always raves sober, in fact I hardly do, and I want to start raving sober more. Sometimes drugs highten my experience, but I've had as good of a time sober, and I think that this is a common thing from some other posts. It seems to me that this kind of "what drug is best to rave on" is just going to be bad for the scene. Although, I feel strongly about making info on drugs (i.e. potency, suggested dose, etc.) more easy to get. Obviously if more people know more then they, hopefully, will be safer. I guess there's just some link between raving and drug use and it seems like one of these lists would be something that you'd read in Newsweek or something, not on ne-raves. Anyway, just be safe :) <---moto of the 90's, i think! Chris ------------ Forwarded Message ends here ------------ Chris [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 22:18:18 -0400 From: ncp@csmvax.simmons.edu (Neith Preston) Subject: top five raving drugs (?) well i have praised the first few personaly that answered this request....so now i guess it is my turn... 1. Home baked goodies - share these with people and make their eyes light up :) some people won't accept them, but the ones who do will always remember! (I just "met" a girl i fed chocolate cake to at Wonderland and had this proven to me ) 2. Coffee (or other caffeinated drink) - drink this prior to the rave to help you be awake... 3. Trinkets - hand out all kinds of little things to people... (I can't tell you how great it is to walk into a rave or club and have someone stop you to show you the mardi gras necklace you randomly gave them...) 4. Music and lighting - for known reasons... 5. Friends - to surround you and make your joy intensified...if all else fails..the fact that you got to be with them makes everything worthwhile :) love and frogs!!! neith [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Drug talk -please move it. From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta') Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 22:22:47 EDT C'mon, drugs are part of raves, just like music, and friends. It is WHOLELY intrinsic and appropriate to this list. If you don't like it just delete the messages. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta' Io20903@MaIne.mAINe.EdU The U of Maine U.S.A. Make your voice heard, or you will be crushed! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Kristine Carrol Noel Subject: Re: drugs... Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 22:24:47 -0400 (EDT) YES!!!! I can tell you!! I am in the same situation, or was. So i did a day's worth of research on drug testing by calling respected corporations on their policies and WHAT they screen for and how, (blood, urine) and then called a bunch of Bio labs that do the tests and screening. What I found out: Extacy, classified as a amphet. derivative, along with barbiturates, opiates, cocaine, propox. darvon, queludes, benz., valume, and anything else detectable *EXCEPT MARIJUANA* leaves the system in *3 DAYS*!!!!!!!!! WOW, huh!!! Oh, this also includes excessive amounts of caffine, which would lead them to believe the testee uses speed, but it may take more like a week if you sped up A LOT. MARAJUANA.... this can take up to 30-45 days to leave your system (rather for the THC in it to leave) depending on how much/how often you smoke/eat it. If one were to smoke every day for upwards of 2 weeks, upon stopping, it would take about a month to leave. If you smoked once or twice in a month period, it is most likely gone in about 2 weeks. But, I personally know a pothead who had drug tests for pot once a month for 6 months because of probation and smoked continually right up until the night before his test, and never once got a pos. He claims he drank 2 gal of Cranberry juice and a cup of oriental herbal clean-you-out-tilyer-hollow tea, available for weight loss etc. at most health stores. So..... many say it can be beat. (??) So thats what i found out. Straight from the Chemists mouths. And believe you me, I had to do some good BSin' to get them to tell me ANYTHING!! "I am a Chem Eng major at Worcester Polytechnic Institute and I am researching for my major project drugs in the corporate work place and the efficency and results of drug testing on employees and their rights blah blah blah" Heehee! Well it was half-true!! Got their respect anyway. If you hear anything different from a respectable source, let me know. I would be v. interested to hear. So, you can keep on Xin', just be safe!! luv, Kat in the hat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 23:09:40 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (free at last) Subject: Re: fields of joy Camper wrote.... DE> ONIONZ: well, what can i say. you know i love him, but wait! was this the DE> onionz of old? no, it was onionz playing tracks that he has never DE> played before, hard and fast and acid. even john adams liked him, DE> and john doesnt like anybody. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You're forgetting all those wonderful brooklyn hardcore people that I so gladly adore. I'm just opinionated :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 23:32:39 EDT From: WILL-E Subject: drugs 1. Can someone confirm that the person who had a 'fit' at Fields of Joy was actually overdosing? Is it me or are people here jumping to the conclusion? Maybe it's me, I had a good friend when I was in England have a fit, and ever since then, if I see someone bumming, I chat with them. Make sure they're ok. Wasn't the guy at Fields of Joy with friends? So much for the love, peace & unity people on here talk about. Someone recently posted that they saw the guy having a bad one and hoped that he would come down. Talk about responsibility: I saw someone when I was at BLUE that looked like he was having a real bad one. I started talking to him and got him to sit down with us for awhile to make sure he was alright. Altruism. People have also mentioned that it ruins your vibe for the night. Don't be so selfish. Think about the poor guy. If you're getting a bad vibe, go up to the person and chat with them... at least to make you feel better. By the way, I'm not accusing anyone or passing the blame so don't email me back getting all defensive. I'm making suggestions not trying to make anyone feel guilty so don't take it that way. 2. about discussing drugs on here... sorry Chris but I must disagree with you. I *DO* think that the top 5 lists are a waste of bandwith. However, many people do not have access to alt.drugs as you might. People here should be made aware of the facts. Also, recently people seem to feel comfortable posting on here about their drug experiences. I would strongly advise against saying something like "I was x-ing" or "was tripping" on here. How hard can it be for a DEA informant to sign on to ne-raves, be a silent reader, and maintain a list of proclaimed drug users on here? Call me paranoid if you must, but please think about what you're doing. Come on, check out all the media hype on drugs & raving! There are no laws protecting your privacy on the net. Let's discuss drugs productively, let's educate each other not brag. 3. drug tests: ok, so maybe MDMA passes out of the body quickly (I've never heard this before) but I do know that today's ecstacy is commonly cut with speed, sometimes heroin. Pure MDMA *does not* give you an energy rush that makes you want to dance. Why people put heroin in I don't know. Those tend to stay in the body. I have heard several times that *brown* tablets are junk. But who knows anymore. There are books on how to beat the test. Also, alt.drugs does post suggestions on how to beat the test fairly frequently Perhaps this could be posted here if there's much of a demand. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 23:52 EDT From: LKB Subject: RE:drugs I can confirm that the guy at Fields of Joy was tripping, the poor kid could not even unwrap the candy we gave him. Brendan and I tried talking to him to calm him down but it just seemed to make him more paranoid. It was really sad to see someone so obviously miserable. I was wondering about the people he came with, too. I would hope that people who come together take care of each other, especially when it is that hot and crowded. Does anybody know if he is okay now? Other than that, Fields of Joy was fun, mostly because we got to meet so many people! I haven't danced that hard in a long time! See you about... Leslie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 0:07:10 EDT From: WILL-E Subject: Latest iD magazine i-D magazine is a British magazine that's rather hip. The latest issue features: * a discussion on the evolution of dance musick. Is rave dead? Including one of the members of 808 State. * the move towards ambient. This includes coverage of a collective of DJ's known as SugarLump and another known as DIY. A good friend of mine called Darius was with both and I've been to raves by both. Monicat, so have you! Laura & Ed, I've mentioned this guy to you both several times: fluffy raves on hilltops for 3 days (that took an hour to climb). Anyway, they mention how the early DJs got so good because they didn't have that many records to use so they had to learn how to sample, and loop, and use fancy DJ techniques to keep it going for hours. SugarLump now has a regular club they spin at. They were previously so underground that you were lucky to catch them. * An article on the Roland 303 (or acid box as it's known overseas) and the history of the first acid house song along with interviews. I've been craving one of these for years now and I need to get my hands on one of these babies soon. I believe in God after hearing 303's. * An article on Mrs. Wood: THEE hardcore woman of England still strong & still spinning at Trade. A gay club in London supposedly owned by Marc Almond (who on live television was asked if he believes in god and said "only after three E's"!!!) that opens around 3 am and closes around 12 pm the next day! * An article on the band System 7 and their new album "7 7 7". System 7 is largely Steve Hillage who was apparently THEE motivating influence for Alex Patterson to form the Orb. In the 70's, Hillage helped progress the ambient movement along with Brian Eno. Hillage's album, Rainbow Dome Musick (which I just bought for $15 on clear vinyl in New York) was the album that started Paterson the article says. Hillage also does a LOT of work with the Orb. I've noticed his name credited on alot of their stuff. * An article on the 50 year anniversary of LSD which I haven't read yet but probably includes some history on the British side of things... which should prove rather interesting... speaking from experiencing the scene. * and the usual reviews on recent musick, clubs, and fashion reports. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 27 Apr 1993 00:16:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jane! Get me off this crazy thing! Subject: Drugs and Raves I think that the most important thing with drugs and raves is knowing your own personal limits and having some responsibility. Many don't like to do anything while at a rave except grok on the people, music, and dancing -- that certainly is enough. Others enjoy choosing to alter their perceptions occasionally (Fields of Joy was the first rave that I chose to), which can make the experience quite a blast, but only as long it doesn't bother anyone else or harm yourself. By about three, I was so into the music and dancing, enjoying it all, that when I stopped for a moment I realized how hot I was, and that I was beginning to feel a little uneasy about staying there. As I am a bigger guy, I didn't want to risk pushing myself to the limits like I often see others do (perhaps like the person that collapsed), so I found the friends I came with, let them know, and we all decided to leave the rave. As a result of having supportive friends and knowing my own limits, the evening was one of the best experiences I've had in a while: afterwards we drove around Boston, listened to some music, then watched the sun rise and went home. (I'm still bummed I never met any other NE-Ravers, gotta get a badge!) In many cases, though admitedly not all, having supportive friends (especially all of the friendly people at raves you don't know), going with the flow, and enjoying every moment as it comes can avoid negative incidents and bad rave experiences. I think the lack of alcohol (which I avoid at all costs) contributes to a positive vibe as well. Party hard, but stay safe! --TOm *-Phat but Phrendly-* *-Om mani padme hum-* "Dance was originally a psychedelic way of expressing yourself...a way of getting high. Body movements can get you grooving with your internal energies...and the dance itself can be a wild, ecstatic, turn on." ._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Dr. Timothy Leary, from_._._._._._._._._. _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ Origins of Dance 12", The Grid_._._._._._ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Tripotronic's _Thick_ (fwd) WOW!!!!! ..Fluid ---------------------------------Cut here--------------------------------- BALTIMORE: Thick, May 8 1993 Tripotronic returns to celebrate a new chapter in the evolution of the thick underground that we all built together. Once again we will try to further the unity that helped to grow and continue to break down international barriers. Our DJ lineup once again spans the glove because we're really all the same, and that peacefulness is truly... Tripotronic T H I C K A Modern Music Presentation baltiMORE Super Thick DJ's C O L I N D A L E D M I T R Y Kiss FM/UK of DEE-LITE On E (Nasa, NYC) + Troposphere (Nasa, NYC) + Who (Atomic Vibe) + Lieven De Geyndt (Music Now) Experience A Beautiful Soundscape Of Ambient Bliss Interwoven With Visual Collages, Peacefull Scents, With Massage Available Thru The Evening Your Guide For The Computer Visuals Entire Evening & Animation D R A L E X W O N K A V I S I O N P A T T E R S O N Lighting Concepts of The Orb, UK P S I L O C Y B I N Jolt & MultiColor Smart Bars Mind Machines LASER SHOW Anti-Gravity Simulator Out-Of-State Tickets $12 For Info: ----- | $15 | Turbozen, Pittsburgh 412.621-7759 _____ Vinylmania, NYC 212.463-7120 Planet X, NJ 908.249-0304 For Ticket Information: Bus Trip Information MELLO, NYC 212.677-2338 * MARC, Delaware M O D E R N M U S I C 302.453-8567 * Music Now, DC 202.638-3272 410.523-1882 MINDWARP, Boston 617.266-1987 * WINK, Philly 215.627-4423 T H I C K G R O O V E S F O R T H I C K P E O P L E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 27 Apr 1993 01:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Andrew Lash" Subject: Drugs Part of the Reagan/Bush strategy about drugs is to denie access to info and lie to the people. For example take any of those PDFA ads. The AMA has forced them to rescind almost all of their claims. Anyway I firmly believe in the RESPONSIBLE use of drugs. In order to achieve this one needs to have access to info. The easiest way to obtain this info is the alt.drugs FAQs. I have most of them on file. If you need information please email me and i will send you the appropriate FAQ. I will try to keep your names confidential. -andy FUCK THE DEA John Andrew Lash H H State University of New York bitnet: H H at Albany JL3683@albnyvms.bitnet H H __ internet: H~~~H/ / "When your bank says 'no' JL3683@gemini.albany.edu H:::H / Champion says 'yes'." /:::::\ --------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 22:34:57 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris) Subject: Intelligent questions If people have intelligent questions about the mind or molecules I might be able to help.I have a lot of friends who work as researchers in the various fields that apply.I'm sorry if I seemed a little testy in my las A 'pet peeve' of mine. -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 01:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: spirituality through technology Subject: picnic update ok, thanks jane for the propper address of strawberry fields: 72nd street and Central Park West. however, as J. speakman pointed out.. (i think it ws him..)...s.fields is relatively small and closed in.. perhaps too cramped for a pile o' ravers... so.. s. fields will be the meeting point.. and the picnic itself will be right near it... somewhere... we'll walk around and find a spot. i'll be there with neith and whoever else comes early.. at about noon or so.. and, it would be nice if people started showing up at 1ish... bring food and toys. and smiles and hugs. call me with questions: 212 941 5834 and doug, if you can put all this in the RoM.. i would appreciate it. more details to come. peace. >>taylor.808 [ spiritual ] [ technology ] + + + + + + [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:24:45 -0700 Subject: Re: drugs >Pure MDMA *does not* give you an energy rush that makes you want to dance. Bzzt. There are two analogues present in a standard preparation of MDMA, a right-handed molecule and a left-handed molecule. I forget which is which, but one is the one that causes the energy rushes, the other is the one that causes the entactogenic effects. _Ecstasy:_The_MDMA_Story_ by Bruce Eisner is fairly explicit about this. Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 03:47:58 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Escape From Happy Birthday) Subject: Re: drugs LK> posting on here about their drug experiences. I would strongly advise LK> against saying something like "I was x-ing" or "was tripping" on here. LK> How hard can it be for a DEA informant to sign on to ne-raves, be a LK> silent reader, and maintain a list of proclaimed drug users on here? LK> Call me paranoid if you must, but please think about what you're LK> doing. Come on, All too easy... one simple message to ne-raves-request and he's on. Remember you are communicating with the public here. LK> check out all the media hype on drugs & raving! There are no laws LK> protecting your privacy on the net. Let's discuss drugs productively, LK> let's educate each other not brag. Exactly. Education is okay here. (like alt.drugs) but please, don't post: Requests for illegial/illicit substances Information on what you've taken/your friends have taken/other people on the net have taken Infomration about where you got what you've taken. I don't want to see it. It's far too easy to lock ne-raves into a moderated, "only-the-people-who-are-on-the-list-can-post" mode if I get entirely upset. Please observe guidelines. -jna list admin Also realize that the resources of MIT's project GNU/FSF are supporting us. This is a privledge and not a gift. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 03:58 EDT From: HITMAN Subject: NEBULA1 (4/30) BOSTON - DIRECTIONS! Updated 4/27/93 Rave in Boston Area - NEBULA 1 ======================================== WHERE ---- Location!! Directions!! Location!! Directions!! Location!! Directions!! Location!! Directions!! By Car on 93 coming from the south.... Get off at exit 29 (Somervill/Everett exit) Go down offramp and stay to the left towards the Mcgrath/Somerville sign. Go left onto route 28. The Futon Outlet building will be right in front of you. The rave is in that building on the 3rd floor. The entrance is on the main street. Park right in the parking lot next to the building. Or you can park in the Century Bank lot. Address for the rave is 360 Mystic Ave (route 28). ====================================================== By Car on 93 coming from the north..... Get off at exit 30 (Mystic Ave/Somerville) Go down to the end of the exit and take a left at lights. Go straight and at second set of lights you should see the building (The Futon Outlet). The rave will be on the 3rd floor and entrance is on Mystic Ave #360. For both - Landmarks are Somerville Lumber, Home Depot, Loews theaters, and Assembly square mall. ====================================================== For those coming by public transportation... I'm looking at getting a ride thing going from Haymarket station (Orange and Green lines). But if it doesn't happen then.....Get on Orange line and Get off at Sullivan Station. Get a cab and have him/her take you to #360 Mystic Ave. The building is yellow and has "The Futon Outlet" written on the outside. I'll keep updating this for people who will be taking public trans. If we can get someone who's will to pick people up from the station. DATE ----- 4/30/92 COST ----- $10 Will be final admissions....Everyone who was put on the guest list will get back $2. Just give your name and your name will be checked and $2 refunded. Call (617)889-0739 for further info - Bill A. MUSIC ----- Techno-Trance/Ambient/Acid/Whatever else DRINK ----- SMART BAR/ SODA / WATER ***FOR ALL THOSE STILL ASKING....BEER (ALCOHOL) WILL NOT BE SERVED.*** FOOD ----- FRUITS AND SNACKS WILL BE PROVIDED FREE OF CHARGE! DJS ----- 1000 watt sound system Confirms are DJ 13 (NJ) Hardcore/Acid DJ SLiP (NJ) Trance DJ Atreides (Boston) Detriot/Hardcore DJ Archie (Terra Posse/Boston Underground) Hardcore DJ Jimmy Hat (Boston) Trance/Ambient DJ SiN-D (Boston) Break-Beat 2 more are still unconfirmed LIGHTS ---- LASER show by the same people who did Dune Times ----- 9pm till ???? Spread the word..!!!!! Hitman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 04:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: ALTERED STATES Subject: Re: drugs... For Kris, Chris + others: I'm not so sure about all non-pot drugs leaving your system withen 3 days. According to Abbie Hoffman n. Here's the info ithat I have: DRUG RETENTION PERIOD compound approximate retention Amphatetamines 20-25 days Barbituatesrates 10-14 days Cocaine 2-4 days Ethyl Alcohol 1-2 days LSD 20-40 days Marijuana 14-30 days Methhaaqualone 14-21 days Opiates 10-14 days Phencyclidine [pcp] 10-14 days If you guys or any others are concerned BUY THSTEAL THIS BOOKabout drug tests STEAL THIS BOOK: SteSTEAL THIS URINE TESAST by Abbie Hoffman fighting drug hysteria in america by Abbie Hoffman this is NOYT a pro-drug book.! This is aba book onthat explains why drug testing is wrong and immoral and tells you how to beat them. once again this is NOT a PRO-DRUG book. It is highly entertaining reading- check it out. D[According to AH.H., an employer candrug tests can tell an employer if you have epilipsy or if you are pregnant- information that people have a right to keep personal] Taerek Elnaccash [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:15:04 -0700 Subject: Re: Drug talk -please move it. >Shouldn't all this drug talk be moved to alt.drugs ? >I don't like it and I think a lot of other people feel the same way. >Remember, the Internet receives federal funding.If we want to >have people realize that raves aren't about 16 year old idiots on drugs >-maybye a good place to start would be here.If it's germaine to the situation >being discussed great (like appropriate sex in movies..) but questions >about 'favorite drugs'...Come on... >Grow up. I think that as long as the post makes refernce to the scene or tries to explain the involvement of a certain drug in the scene, the post belongs here. "Tell me your five favorite rave drugs" is kinda immature, but the responses that garnered sorta prooved that point ;) To deny that drugs are a significant part of the scene, in every city a scene exists, is a fallacy. To say the scene is ALL about drugs is wrong too. But to think we need to cover it up, to hide it, to de-emphasize it, is to only strengthen the cause against it, and psychedelics will NEVER be legalized if those who take them feel shameful for having done them. As for whether this talk should exist on ne-raves, yes, there is alt.drugs and other great resources for specific drug info, and the info there is guaranteed to be twice as accurate (REAL chemists and PhD's and such telling "the straight shit"), but from a philosophical viewpoint I think some drug talk may be appropriate. On SFRaves a while back a HUGE thread started about nitrous, to the point where people were posting about every stupid thing they've ever done while on nitrous; that created a lot of posts with very little rave content. After a large round of public flaming and such, those posts stoped, but every now and then a few drug-and-rave posts will appear, and that's fine. During the height of the nitrous thread I got a call from the guy at Stanford who runs the machines SFRaves is run through, suggesting I start moderating SFRaves mail as an option, for he was concerned about the large drug content and afraid the DEA would confiscate his machine. Sounds paranoid, but it's paranoia that in the current state of affairs is somewhat justified. I think out of respect we should limit the drug-related posts, but we shouldn't feel like a total ban on drug talk is necessary. And my personal viewpoint is that our parties and our culture will never be free from persecution and suspicion until all drugs are legal, but that's another matter entirely. Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Golden Boy" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 08:34:02 CST Subject: Spaced Out ! WHOOOO HOOOO !!! Is it just me or is it like one of the best thingz in life to go to a rave and see a bunch of friendz from like 2-3 different statez and proceed to dance your ass off to some phunky phat phresh <---[neo cool terminology] tunez spun by them ! I had a shit eaten grin plastered to my face ! It waz good seeing all you guyz ! Tareq and I took my girl friend to her first ever rave...and dieselBoy waz the one that got her booty movin ! Shout outz to all the ne-raverz I saw and met : dieselBoy... MikeB...raver909...Kreig...Jacob [fellow speaker worshiper !]...I don't think I met ApplePie...bummer...hope I didn't forget anyone...and I did meet quite a few people...had some rather interesting conversationz with some 'E'd out people :)...oh and no one mentioned the skateboard ramp outside by the trampoline ! I used to skate so I thought that waz really slick ! When we went outside to chill I pumped up my car stereo and put on the new EON-void dweller cd that my buddy tareq got in Vermont for me so we had a chillout room outside !!! Those lazerz and visualz were the shit ! As far as dress at ravez...I love the diversity ! Everything from big giant hatz and huge sunglasses to people in jeanz...bootz...and t-shirtz...fuck it...let the bass flow ! As far as Special K...that shit will fuck YOU...nuff said. And dieselBoy you served up the serious mindfuck son ! You be fuckin it up ! Damn you make me move ! OWWWWWWWWW !!!! I'm out...Peace ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <> deb9@pop.cwru.edu "Forget your name" "Just close your eyes" "Go insane" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Intelligent questions From: IO20903@MAINE.maine.EDU (The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta') Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 08:38:15 EDT I think I may fit into catagory of people qualified to answer questions. I am a Zoology student with special interest in neurology. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The TEKN0 fish - I ain't no gangsta' Io20903@MaIne.mAINe.EdU The U of Maine U.S.A. Make your voice heard, or you will be crushed! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 10:40 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: going away for the summer? If you are going away for the summer I'd like to remind you to please unsubscribe yourself from the list so the rest of us aren't plagued by 100's of bounces while you're gone. To find out how to get off the list, send a message to ne-raves-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu with the word HELP in the *body* of the message (not in the subject line). It will tell you how to get off, or how to get on the calendar-only list, etc. ** Now for the REAL purpose of my message: ** If you're going away for the summer and feel like you're going to miss us all (sniff sniff etc.) there's hope: Frosted Rave, on Saturday, June 26, is going to be in New Jersey within 30 minutes of where I live. Some of you may recall that I live about half way between Boston and DC. So, I'm going to throw yet-another-ne-raves-pre-rave-party, and anyone who is coming up for Frosted is invited. So, IF you are getting off ne-raves for the summer because you won't have net access and IF you are strongly intending on coming to Frosted Rave, drop me a line before you leave the net with your summer "real" mailing address. As we get closer to the date I'll mail you a flyer and details about the pre-party. Since stamps aren't cheap, please don't put yourself on my pre-party info list unless you really really do mean to do your best to come. See you around, Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 11:41 EDT From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Subject: Re: Convulsing Ravers Jane, you misunderstood. i said "people in regular clothes with those cheezy stockinggcaps... =P" which means, people who decided that becuz they are ggoing to a "rave", they have to wear "rave clothes" and because they don't know much about the "rave style" they buy "rave stockinggcaps" and therefore are "ravers" when at that "rave". it's something personal i noticed first at Tripotronic last March... people who would feel as if they really were ravers for wearingg the smallest piece of raveggear. Like a ggirl with a Migghty Migghty Bosstones shirt and a hat i saw at the Loft a long time ago. It's just obvious to me, and should be to you, that someone who buys that is completely missing the point, well, what should be the point of raves, anyway. They turn it into a fashion statement. I wasn't contradictingg myself. And as long as this same attitude, this superficial attitude of what you wear determines if or if you are not a raver, than it will be very easy for this scene to disintegrate. Kreig [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 12:43:19 -0400 From: Duncan Charles Haberly Subject: Re: K Special K is crazy fucked-up shit! Clark Kent and I horked some from a vet last year. A friend suggested we bake it down into powder in the microwave and snort it. Do not play with "K!" We almost died!!! I became semi-comatose and after 1 hour of freaking as hard as I ever have, I somehow managed to CRAWL into the bathroom, throw up, and then dragged Clark in as well. We both puked back and forth for 1 1/2 hours. Here is a tip for you if you get to fucked up on K: Throw up! There is about a 45-60 second bout of lucidity before you go back down into the "K hole." While you are semi-lucid, get someone to get you water - this helps you throw up, and also keeps you hydrated so you don't pass out as easily. If you must do the shit, do it gradually. Don't take alot of a batch you haven't tasted before. People sometimes cut the shit out of K, sometimes they don't. Duncan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:06:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe LeSesne Subject: Spaced Out Well here is my review of Spaced Out. We got to the warehouse/flat as Mike B said before the actual rave so we helped out in whatever way the Sooper Wack Kids needed help. (And it's true, they really are KIDS!!) Anyway while walking around the first thing we noticed was the mega huge 4 laser setup they had. I asked the guy about the class of it and he said it was a class 4. "Hot enough for you to light a cigarette off of, and of course illegal." Cool!!! The set up was connected to a computer so messages and pictures could be drawn on the screen with it. Later on more people showed up. Besides our convoy which consisted of ne-ravers Mike B, Jacob, dieselBoy, Apple Pie, and Kreig. I met Tareq (with the Q) J^2ed and someone else who's name I forget right now. What made this rave cool was the trampoline and skate-ramp outside provided the perfect chillout space with the pleasant weather they had. Other standouts, dieselBoy's excellent set, Applepie's groovin set, and Orgaz (killer live hardcore). All in all if this rave is an indication of what this summer is going to be like then summer should be EXCELLENT! Alot of people made the trip up from Pittsburgh and I hear alot of people from Cleveland will be stopping down Pittsburgh for High Voltage on Sat. May 1st to check it out. It's really good seeing these two cities supporting each others scenes as they are only about a 2 hour drive away. Joe [][][][][][[]<><><<><>><187-Mobile.Live.Techno.Vibes><<><><<><>][][][][][][][] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: spirituality through technology Subject: picnic roster...(a call for) could everyone who wants to go to the picnic please send me a SHORT, one lined message saying that you're going... and who you're bringing (any non ne-ravers). this way i can post something to the list.. so we can all see who's going to be there. thanks. >>taylor.808 tod3253@ACFcluster.nyu.edu peaceout [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:57 EDT From: Set yourself free Subject: b-days 'n stuff... bad idea i guess, judging from the responses i have gotten so far. i'm bagging the b-day list unless anyone has some brilliant idea, but of course it's difficult to please 200 odd people at the same time. so i wish EVERYONE a happy birthday in advance or in the past or whatever... btw, whatever happened to the topic of discussion: Raving and School Don't Mix? seemed like it could have gone somewhere but it didn't... i'm just wondering: is it something about ravers that the constraints of educational institutions in the U.S. are structured such that ravers cannot cope with them, or is it because ravers go to raves and spend most of the time at them/recuperating from them that school becomes a bore... just wondering later wfs jetta. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:03:32 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: Re: #10 reason not to listen to classic rock >> "Mama told me not to come." -3 dog night (sad that I know this) >Do you mean to tell me that nobody out there plays those great Wolfgang >Press remixes? >"This is the strangest party that I've ever been" IMHO, the whole "Queer" album has some amazing tunes that I wish SOMEONE would play at a rave. I really hate the "we can't play it if it didn't just come out yesterday" ethos. It's funny when someone plays an old tune and everyone on the list jizzes about so-and-so playing something old and how cool it was. "I'm lookin' at my girlfriend, she's just passed out on the floor" /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|-/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner <<>> cutter@cs.umb.edu |hypnodrone-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu \/ 617/527-3957 | fegmaniax-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu We can make it break it shake it to the limit. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 14:26:52 EDT From: Joe Pitassi Subject: ALT.DRUGS What exactly is ALT.DRUGS, and what is it's address? Sounds interestink. -JP3 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:34:48 -0500 From: Joe Turner Subject: Re: b-days 'n stuff... >From VWANG@LUCY.WELLESLEY.EDU Tue Apr 27 14:13:35 1993 > >i'm just wondering: is it something about ravers that the constraints >of educational institutions in the U.S. are structured such that ravers >cannot cope with them, or is it because ravers go to raves and spend >most of the time at them/recuperating from them that school becomes >a bore... Raving and school don't mix because most college students don't like ugly boring adult "real world" things like.. oh.. work, maturity, responsibility, that sort of thing. Raves are a nice escape-hatch into a non-threatening wonderland. It's not that school becomes a bore -- it already IS a bore for people who end up doing poorly because they are raving too much. The rave is just a catalyst; if it wasn't raving, it would be something else to distract them. People seem to have forgotten that college is to prepare you for the real world, not to hide from it. Nowadays, it seems like college is just a good moneymaking subsidiary of the major beer manufacturers, full of lame bozos and bozettes who are high on being away from Mommy and Daddy (whilst living off their money), and totally getting off on seeing who can be more "weird" and "quirky". Feh. Who needs classes? After you're finished recovering from the last rave, there's the next one to spend all your time planning for... and thus do you avoid reality and stay in your little hidey-hole of academia. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|-/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner <<>> cutter@cs.umb.edu |hypnodrone-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu \/ 617/527-3957 | fegmaniax-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu We can make it break it shake it to the limit. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 14:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Another "Spaced Out" Review Note: This is CROSSPOSTED. (Ohio is MW or NE?) Found out I was DJing for this on wednesday night. So I got some friends together and drove out to the event on Saturday. Was given fine instructions, but thought I wrote them down wrong, ended up getting there at 10:45pm (it was supposed to start at 10pm). Found out I was supposed to DJ at 10pm also, so ApplePie got to take my spot. Not a great loss, starting a Rave off with Progressive House and Trance doesn't always work. I then spent the next 5 hours playing with the visuals. Talking to the guy doing live video "playing" with and Amiga, Video Toaster, and a Pair of Video Cameras. Lots of wild stuff you can do with it. Hardcore was played from 11pm until about the time I went on at 5:30am (I started with Gat Decor's "Passion" if anyone was curious). There was a small break when Damian went on and played Breakbeat for awhile, but the breaks comming out now are getting harder and harder... Lasers were awesome. Someone said 4-watt, probably. It didn't light cigarettes (I tried), but the guy running it said the company owned a 9-watt that could. Lasers this close, fucking rule. Problems: -Hardcore this long, gets extremely boring. When you walk outside and there are around 150 people outside, and <30 people inside. Time to change the music. -Power. A little bit more teching was probably needed. They blew the circuit breaker half-dozen times or more. Sound went down on average <5 minutes, but also was out for 20 once. -Sound. When you have a stack of speakers 8 feet high, by 12 feet wide. Maybe you should buy the amps to power 'em. They had to turn it down around 3am, but it wasn't that loud to begin with. -Vibe. As Mike B said. Lack of any at all. -Drugs. Maybe not a problem for everyone. But when more than 50% of people are tripping then it causes problems, like no vibe. I had fun at the rave, but more because the equipment I got to play with as opposed to the People or the Music. Hopefully if Al-X does another one it will have more people, because of what people are saying about this one. He didn't have that many people there, 200, maybe 300 at max. -Matt (I'm afraid I didn't get to meet Goldenboy, otherwise I could have slammed with him :) ) (The trampoline and Skate ramp were nice touches.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 27 Apr 1993 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Andrew Lash" Subject: Re: Alt.drugs Alt.drugs is a newsgroup just like alt.rave. It's not a mail server like ne-raves. Its very good for factual info about various drugs as alot of chem phds and the like post there. As always watch yourself, the DEA loves to monitor this newsgroup..... -andy peace... John Andrew Lash H H State University of New York bitnet: H H at Albany JL3683@albnyvms.bitnet H H __ internet: H~~~H/ / "When your bank says 'no' JL3683@gemini.albany.edu H:::H / Champion says 'yes'." /:::::\ --------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 15:20:38 -0400 From: Dan English Subject: Re: Drugs n raves i have a copy of the info-e flyer that brian mentioned. it has good information about ecstacy init. i havent been able to sneak on to a photocopier lately so i havent given any out in about 7 months. wow, i am old. the point is: i can bring master copies to people at raves who can photocopy them and together we can put out tons of information. although it would be tremendously cool if ne-raves put out a general info sheet about e, acid, k, pcp, shrooms, mesc, and others. whatever. let me know if you see me on the H-O-M if you want me to bring a copy. i always go to boston clubs, btw. -camper. * stay groovy. camper english it ain't easy, being cheesey @buphy.bu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: gregrich@microsoft.com Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 12:29:10 PDT Subject: Have an effect on US foreign policy NOW... Sorry for this seemingly unrelated post, but a lot of the threads I've seen recently speak to the issue of making your voice heard. Well, as a world community...it doesn't get any easier or more basic than this... >>Dread-Eye (gregrich@microsoft.com) P.S. Areas they are measuring for public support are 1) economic program, 2) Deficit reduction 3) Government spending cuts, 4) Upper income taxation . Feel free to spread this meme far and wide... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When I phoned the White House about Bosnia today (Friday), I got a rather different response than usual. Instead of giving my tirade and getting a "Thank you, I'll pass your comments along to the president," the operator said: "Let me ask you something. Do you support air strikes or sending troops in?" If they are asking that specifically, it seems to me they are especially guaging now what actions they have public support for. I STRONGLY urge anyone who wants to try to affect U.S. policy in Bosnia to PHONE THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN (202) 456-1111. And ask anyone you know who cares to do the same. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 27 Apr 1993 15:33:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Andrew Lash" Subject: x faq I would post the X faq but its just to damn big. If you are putting together an info packet it might help. BTW- if anyone needs a copy of any of the alt.drug faqs, mail me.... John Andrew Lash H H State University of New York bitnet: H H at Albany JL3683@albnyvms.bitnet H H __ internet: H~~~H/ / "When your bank says 'no' JL3683@gemini.albany.edu H:::H / Champion says 'yes'." /:::::\ --------- -andy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:05 EDT From: Set yourself free Subject: Re: b-days 'n stuff... 1. About the birthday list--if you really do have an idea, let me know. 2. Are ravers really so lacking in maturity and reponsibility? I've always prided myself on being at least somewhat responsible (well.....) but I've never liked the idea of the way most colleges are set up--so little room for freedom of the mind, freedom of expression--at least this is the way my school, and MANY schools in my area are structured. I thought the purpose of raves was to promote unity and acceptance and all that wonderful stuff-- something that colleges don't really do. Most college students that I know of either bury themselves in their work or submerse themselves in alcohol and sex. Now that's fine for some people, but it's just not for me...and perhaps the whole educational system of college is set up so that these 2 things are also emphasized. Wellesley, at least, is. We have a bus system that will take you down frat row in Boston, so that women can go to parties there. If you don't catch the bus, there are no parties on campus save a scattering here and there that all promote the consumption of alcohol, and if you don't drink, there's not much else to do, according to most people I know here. So is it really that ravers are lacking in responsibility and maturity, or is there really something underlying in our society--not just college or universities--that causes us to forgo the conventions of school and try to find ourselves somewhere in the muddle? Or am I making excuses to not write the paper lurking over my head... Jetta. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:34:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: March / Ultraworld / Thanks This past weekend was absolutely wonderful. - Thank you Susie and Doug for allowing me, along with alan and jetta and all the other people, to stay with you at American. It was really fun! Friday alan and I arrived in DC about 4:30 and we were walked from a friends place to the DuPont circle metro station. At that point (2 days before the march) the circle was packed with people just milling about - there was so much exitemet and anticipation among everyone about the weekend - SO MANY QUEER PEOPLE! yeah! :) Since we had just arrived from delaware (a friend of mine calls it the DFZ (Dyke Free Zone)) this was a welcome change. After buying some political buttons we then moved on and up to American where Doug and Jetta along with about 11 people from wisconsin already were. - Later we went into Georgetown for dinner and ended up just spontaneously dancing in front of several places - a cheesey expensive club, a cheesey record store that had a really good house DJ spinning. Among several other places. Later we returned to DuPont Circle which was now even more crowded and continued to spontaneously burst into dancing by a couple that had a boom box. then we went to the Pop Stop - a great little coffee house with Keith Herring (SP?) esque art all over the walls. This was again completely packed with same sex couples. We then finally stumbled back to American exhausted. The next day we all headed out to see the aids quilt (or a small part of it) which was quite moving - it was all new pannels then we saw a drag show by the washington monument - not your everyday on the mall venue. Later that night some of us ended up going to Baltimore for Ultraworld 6 - Temple of Motion. Thanks to the UMD people for picking us up at New Carrolton (Zack in particular for the ride) and after some confusion we finally made it. It was similar to Lava in many respects - Moonbounce - Gyrobix - both gimmicky but really great pick up's when you're feeling tired. They'll both pick you up fast! Dante was very good - despite being a little preachy. He managed to effectively mix in things like Peter Gabriel's passion, and the Sisters of Mercy. My only complaint is that he seems very dependent upon various mixes of FSoL's Paupa New Guinea - he uses this a LOT in his mixing - It is in the background in most of one side of alan/scooter's Dante mix tape. I like the song - but it was a little too much - the other dj's were good - nothing too fast or slow and the lighting was quite good - The laser was wonderful through diffraction glasses - neat patterns X 9. Comming back we were dropped at the Shady Grove metro and caught the first train in. They ( all of the riders ) were all fresh and ready to march - we were all dirty and grimy from dancing all night - gosh I felt guilty getting off at American (I think we were the only ones getting off Before the center of town). But after a short rest and shower - off we went to march! I really can't explain how wonderful it was to see all those people - it was just really exiting - so many different types of people - so many families (traditional and non) I even unexpectedly ran into friends who have moved to California there. According to estimates it was somewhere between 300,000 and 1,100,000 - the initial from park services who someone said took a count of the ProChoice march at 10:00 am hours before it was scheduled to start, the later from the city. The atmosphere was just so positive and free! - lots of net people too, like soc.bi, soc.motss (members of the same sex), and binet marching together with banners. Sorry we never got in contact Steve and Jeremy. I hope this establishes a precedent for years to come - It will be difficult to match - I also hope it has the right effect - to show unity among people of diverse sexual bacgrounds - and to promote visibility and acceptance of difference for the rest of the country( and world maybe :)) Oh well - back to the doldroms of everyday life - Let's hope it really did make a difference - By the way - who from ne-raves was there? just wondering. A happier and more hopeful . . . Fran [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 14:41:44 PDT From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Convulsing Ravers > maybe instead of drug-free raves, there should be TEEN-free raves You're being incredibly age-ist. This past weekend (this happened in SF but could have happened anywhere) I had a choice between two raves: Fields of Joy and Channeling. Fields of Joy ended up being in a 21+ club that's known for attitiude. Channeling was all-ages and has a reputation for attracting fun crowds with lots of vibe. Musicwise, the DJ lineup for Fields of Joy looked complete orgasmic. The lineup for Channeling looked less impressive. So it was a choice between good crowd and good music. I chose to go to Channeling for the crowd. The crowd there was young -- average age 17 or so -- and was incredibly friendly and fun. I'll take a cool teenage crowd over a trendy 21+ club crowd any night, regardless of who's DJ-ing. (And to top it off, the music at Channeling was unexpectedly amazing. And a friend who went to Fields of Joy said the music sucked rocks.) Also, to more directly address your point, it isn't always teenagers who are OD-ing. The same thing happens at 21+ events. Responsibility and common sense are not necessarily proportional to age. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:50:32 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Tiffany Subject: Re: going away for the summer? > If you're going away for the summer and feel like you're going to >miss us all (sniff sniff etc.) there's hope: ... There's also the summer HOM...which certain people (laura) still haven't contributed to...SEND ME INFO! OK, that's all... >Frosted Rave, on Saturday, >June 26, is going to be in New Jersey within 30 minutes of where I live. How long did it take ya to get to Ch'ville??? just wondering.i'd like to be there...weee... later days and sunny rays, -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | Join the SERAVES list! University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- or just plain dErEk if you prefer... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 27 Apr 1993 18:40:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Andrew Lash" Subject: since i got alot of responses... I had gotten alot of responses so i also though i'd mention that i have the lsd faq among others... sedn requests... -andy peace.... John Andrew Lash H H State University of New York bitnet: H H at Albany JL3683@albnyvms.bitnet H H __ internet: H~~~H/ / "When your bank says 'no' JL3683@gemini.albany.edu H:::H / Champion says 'yes'." /:::::\ --------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Convulsing Ravers From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 19:34:39 EDT phaedra@mindvox.phantom.com (jane weaver) graces us with: > regarding the kids who have fits and pass out at raves: > > > maybe instead of drug-free raves, there should be TEEN-free raves Grow up, Jane. I'm more mature and responsible at seventeen than most of the twenty-something college drop-outs I see haunting raves. Past about 14, age ceases to have much of a correlation with maturity and responsibility. I would have thought you would have learned this by now, O Wise Elder. God I get enough agism with 18 or 21 and over events, but at least in those cases it's a matter of the promoters wanting to free themselves of liability. I would think on the list we could ALL be a little more mature than that. (and yes, I know your comment was a joke, Jane) flame_off(weaver,jane); Michael | "I've begun to wonder if we wouldn't (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | also regard spelunkers as desperate | criminals if AT&T owned all the ...trance form...trance send... | caves." --John Perry Barlow [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Raving too far... From: simonm@mindvox.phantom.com (Simon Moon) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 21:27:30 EDT bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) writes: > Perhaps the solution would be, if you're really concerned about the number > or people harming themselves, to come up with a flyer which tells people how > to avoid hurting themselves should they choose to dose. It should > definitely not be anti-drug, but pro-moderation. Knowlege is power, and > if you arm people with the wisdom of those with experience in this, you > allow them to protect themselves. This has been done in SF with the > info-E flyers, with really good results. At Boom! (NYC, 4/17) there was a group pasing out photocopied notes on drug use, centering on X, and taking a survey on drug use. The handout (about 6 pages) was quite clear about the health risks, and how to avoid them, and non-judgemental. I asked who had sponsored their activity, but, of course, forgot it before arriving home. Some group out of SanFran, I believe. I'd like to see the results of the survey... -- Simon (simonm@mindvox.phantom.com) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: teen-free raves From: phaedra@mindvox.phantom.com (jane weaver) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 22:28:35 EDT whoops wertheim. guess that tee hee after my jokes didnt diffuse your objections. like duh i know it isnt always teenagers od-ing. oh well i'll save my light humor for in-person. I hope a sense of humor--like common sense and responsibility--aren't proportional to age. age-ist species-ist class-ist femin-ist music-ist jane [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 23:17:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: Re: Convulsing Ravers On Tue, 27 Apr 1993, Inhuman wrote: > I'm more mature and responsible at seventeen than most of the > twenty-something college drop-outs I see haunting raves. At 17 I'm sure that you are - I met you breifly this weekend and I think you are mature. > Past about 14, age ceases to have much of a correlation with maturity and > responsibility. I would have thought you would have learned this by now, > O Wise Elder. Umm . . . Here I am not so sure. I have seen the 14-16 crowd in this town - generally skaters and straight edge kids - almost single handedly destroy the scene that once existed - they invite themselves to parties of people they don't know - get totally wired on jolt while projecting cooler than thou attitude and then whipping out their genitals, graffiti-ing on people's walls, pissing on people's houses, and belly flopping down stairs and through railings. In Newark Delaware - anyone throwing a party (and no one in the 14-16 age range rents their own apartments to do this - so the ones throwing the parties are over 18) is absolutely paranoid about them arriving - parties have become very small limited and somewhat secretive "please - don't let this invitation get out!" is a frequently used phrase. I'm sorry but between 13 and 16 maturity levels are not that high - this does not apply to everyone - but, enough people that age are immature enough to ruin it for others. At 17 yes I do think that you(plural) are mature enough - but younger no - maybe others have had different experiences - all I am doing here is reporting mine. > > God I get enough agism with 18 or 21 and over events, but at least in > those cases it's a matter of the promoters wanting to free themselves of > liability. I would think on the list we could ALL be a little more > mature than that. > > (and yes, I know your comment was a joke, Jane) > > flame_off(weaver,jane); general discussion send to the list personal flames send to me fran [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: FoJ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 00:06:02 EDT From: SHALAKO (technokachina) scary start- walked into the parking lot, parking attendant in fatigues gave us a hard time about where we were going and what the magic word was. finally we said "fields of joy" and he smiled really wide and gave us directions and told us to have a great time. i digged it. the fatigues were with it. they wanted it to be safe, but they were really friendly. in line, i saw drunken frat boys and high-hairs asking if anyone had a joint. a high-hair puked in a oil drum next to me. i was sickened. this wasn't looking good. i saw some really good buddies of mine, and we kept each-other's spirits up. the guy searching made it clear that they were searching, and to either get rid of- or hide- any illicit substances or pens, etc. we were bummed that we had missed our ride earlier that evening with the bigfunhouse crew that would have enabled us to get in free, but to my joyful surprise, one of my co-workers was working door, and let me by. whew, am i broke... sets started off slow, but to me, the vibe was hot. lots of friends. i was very annoyed at the beginning when a group of euro-trash club-fucks stood around next to the speakers where i was trying to dance... then the junior-high tripper freaked out, and when they carried them away, there was much room to dance, and there was much rejoicing. my attitude toward this recent series of freak-outs/od's is one of pity. they have irresposibly and unintelligently used a drug, and they have payed the concequences. i use these events as a reminder to myself to respect the drugs that i use, and to use them responsibly. anyway, these events never ruin my vibe. learning experiences. i had to work the booth during tin tin's set, and he started warming me up... i was plagued by sore feet and the fact that i'd had 3 hours of sleep since thursday... BUT THEN... o n i o n z. r o b b i e h a r d k i s s. period. they rocked my world. they made me cry. during thier sets, i bonded with total strangers. we hugged in bunches, kissed each-other in friendship, wept, screamed, shared water, and our souls. it was a revelation. i had a vision, and it was that this should go on forever. i felt a power within me that said that i could keep this intensity for as long as there was music. i have never experienced this phenomenon to this magnitude. when they pulled the plug, i wandered aimlessly, on the verge of a total nervous breakdown. it took me 30 minutes to talk myself down, during which i was totally worthless at helping to break down the booth. when i finally accepted that it was over, i was so happy, and i had so much energy. i ran around in circles in the parking lot, and danced harder and faster than i have ever before, and there was no music, right out there in the middle of the parking lot. it was wonderful. back at david's, camper babbled of moist towletts, and we listened to the beatles. lovin life. the after hours was a bit pitiful, though i had a great time. i grooved for hours.there was sound problems and we left. back at david's again, i spun records until late in the afternoon, while everyone napped. finally it was time to slip out the door into the sunshine... it was a devine weekend. shannon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 00:08 EDT From: One of Many Subject: here goes...Birthday O Matic (pt 1) ************************************************************************ * NE-RAVES BIRTHDAY-O-MATIC (BOoM) * * April 27th-May 8th, 1993 * ************************************************************************ April 29 Michael Wertheim aka twitch mw@sybase.com April 30 Taylor Deupree aka taylor808 tod3253@acfcluster.nyu.edu May 1 Chris Steel aka itv itv@santafe.edu May 3 Susie Kameny aka myself sk2479a@american.edu May 3 Christopher Edwards XtoFer cte9q@virginia.edu May 8 Derek Tiffany aka deRek tiffanyde@urvax.urich.edu that would be it for the first section that i've got... again, if you would like to be on this list send me: your b-day, your name, and your e-mail address :) later... jetta. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 00:05:19 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Rave-o-Matic This is the Rave-o-matic for the week of Tue. April 27,1993 enjoy.. doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0vingg race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu ========================================================================== NE-RAVES CALENDAR __________________________________________________________________________ UPCOMING RAVES: __________________________________________________________________________ Friday, April 30 BOSTON, MA (617) 889 - 0739 NEBULA 1 (from Hitman) Rave in Boston Area - NEBULA 1 ====================================== Where ----- Location!! Directions!! Location!! Directions!! Location!! Directions!! Location!! Directions!! By Car on 93 coming from the south.... Get off at exit 29 (somervill/Everett exit) Go down offramp and stay to the left towards the Mcgrath/Somersville sign. Go left onto route 28. The Fouton Outlet building will be right in front of you. The rave is in that building on the 3rd floor. The enterance is on the main street. Park right in the parking lot next to the building. Or you can park in the Century Bank lot. Address for the rave is 360 Mystic Ave (route 28). ====================================================== By car on 93 coming from the north..... Get off at exit 30 (Mystic Ave/Somerville) Go down to the end of the exit and take a left at the lights. Go straight at the second set of lights you should see the building (The Futon Outlet). The rave will be on the 3rd floor and entrance is Myatic Ave #360 For both - Landmarks are Somerville Lumber, Home Depot, Loews theaters, and Assembly square mall. ====================================================== For those coming by public transportation... I'm looking at getting a ride thing going from Haymarket station (Orange and Green lines). But if it doesn't happen then....Get on the Orange line and Get off at Sullivan Station. Get a cab and have him/her take you to #360 Mystic Ave. The building is yellow and has "The Futon Outlet" written on the outside. I'll keep updating this for people who will be taking public trans. If we can get someone who's will to pick people up from the station. DATE ----- 4/30/93 COST ----- $10 Will be final admissions....Everyone who was put on the guest list will get back $2. Just give your name and your name will be checked and $2 refunded. Call (617) 889-0739 for further info - Bill A. MUSIC ----- Techno-Trance/Ambient/Acid/Whatever else DRINK ----- SMART BAR/ SODA ? WATER ***FOR ALL THOSE STILL ASKING....BEER (ALCOHOL) WILL NOT BE SERVED.*** FOOD ----- FRUITS AND SNACKS WILL BE PROVIDED FREE OF CHARGE! DJs ----- 1000 watt sound system Confirms are DJ 13 (NJ) HArdcore/Acid DJ SLiP (NJ) Trance DJ Atreides (Boston Underground) Detroit/Trance DJ Archie (Terra Posse/Boston Underground) Hardcore DJ Jimmy HAt (Boston) Trance/Ambient DJ SiN-D (Boston) Break-Beat 2 more are still unconfirmed LIGHTS ---- LASER show by the same people who did Dune Times ----- 9pm till ???? Spread the word..!!!!! _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 NEW YORK CITY (212) 941 - 5834 NE-RAVES PICNIC located at Strawberry Fields in Central Park. Strawberry fields: 72st & Central Park West [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] strawberry fields will be the meeting point, the picnic itself will be right near it....somewhere....we'll walk around and find a spot. i'll be there with neith and whoever else comes early... at about noon or so.. and it would be nice if people started showing up at 1ish... bring food and toys and smiles and hugs call me with questions: 212 941 5834 could everyone who wants to go to the picnic please send me a SHORT, one lined message saying that you'rw going... and who you're bringing (any non ne-ravers) this way i can post something to the list.. so we can all see who is going to be there. more details to come. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 LONG ISLAND, NY (516) 547 - 6129 THE SECOND COMING (on an 8 1/2 by 11 piece of glossy paper, one side fold in like MAD back cover) Essence. After May 1st Nothing will be the same... the second coming * mayday 1993 SOmeonE the Essence of Life Generation saturday - may 1st, 1993 scott hardkiss - san francisco troposohere - nasa mr. kleen - primal micro -caffeine onionz - caffeine, layaway tin tin - u.k. derek carter - chicago dave trance - caffeine, future info essence lifeline 516.574.6129 hand delivered to you by dennis the menace, kort -n- greg, eddie van raven, mello mello, toast -n- rad brad, x3/o-tomic, jeff h., fred strong chris stiles tickets $15 no wait advance ticket sales li-dj records nyc-vinylmania brooklyn-groove nj-planet x boston-boston beat additional info/busses, etc. ny joint ventures 212.631.2061 mello mello 212.631.4290 toast n brad 516.345.5517 boston mindwarp 617.266.1987 dc giovanni 703.971.4555 md chris stiles 410.752.7305 gratis li underground, joint ventures, caffeine, wonderland, blue crew, atomic vibe, ultraworld, storm, kc sunshine gang, mindwarp, rob wave, chad e. boy slipshod rob, q, catastrophic, future, primal, jason, josh rubin, klass trip zine, rise, scooter, emily, lenny m, marc, kathy&christen, nasa, the silent one, planet x, dj records, groove, vinylmania, boston beat, and to all those who support the underground... produced and presented by simon sayz portions of the proceeds to benefit the memorial wildlife federation free afterparty at caffeine ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 1 PITTSBURGH, PA (412) 621 - 7759 HIGH VOLTAGE TurboZen Presents High Voltage!!! Saturday, May 1 9 pm-6am Neural Transmission event * Megawatts of Ace, Bass, Vibe disruption devices, * Auto-syncronizing visual effects for the mind, * Intellectual, Liquids to keep you going all night * Super Crazy Circus Apocalypse Side-show, and * A driving force line-up of totally schizmatic DJ's: Soji-Fu Jeff E _______________________________ Dr. Seuss Side 2 & Special Live Performance & Finger +FX Simon & Super Cool 187 & Deadly Budda JediMindtrip & & Terry Kicks Vic Money &_____________________________& Bringing you the best of Hardcore, Breakbeat, Trance, and Tribal Music from all over this funky planet!!!! Free with ticket from Tranceformer (All Tranceformer tickets must be turned in before Apr. 7) Ticket Information Available at: 412.621.7759 ______________________________________________________________________________ Friday, May 7 BOSTON, MA BLISSS! At Brandeis University Schwartz Auditorium... May 7th Friday May 7 - 9 pm-2am (afterparty in the works) DJ Lineup: ApplePie - Norway (Tech Squad/Pleasure Force) Thirteen - New York - (NE-Raves) Mr. Sparkle - Hartford (United Techno) Donutz - Worcester (special guest dj) A small mind-expanding VR setup Holographic Smart Bar Laser Effects by John Adams crew: TechnoHead, Jeannie, Leslie, Brendan, Anna specail thanks to: NE-Raves, arnold, hata ha, urbo, and all you cybernetic organisms out there! there will be crash space available.... further info: ol@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (TechnoHead) jfinks@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Jeannie) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 BALTIMORE, MD (410) 523 - 1882 THICK BALTIMORE: Thick, May 8 1993 Tripotronic returns to celebrate a new chapter in the evolution of the thick underground that we all built together. Once again we will try to further the unity that helped to grow and continue to break down international barriers. Our DJ lineup once again spans the globe because we're really all the same, and that peacefulness is truly... Tripotronic T H I C K A Modern Music Presentation baltiMORE Super Thick DJ's C O L I N D A L E D M I T R Y Kiss FM/UK pf DEE-LITE On E (Nasa, NYC) + Troposphere (Nasa, NYC) + Who (Atomic Vibe) + Lieven De Geyndt (Music Now) Experience A Beautiful Soundscape of Ambient Bliss Interwoven With Visual COllages, Peaceful Scents, With Massage Available Thru the Evening Your Guide For The Computer Visuals Entire Evening & Animation D R A L E X W O N K A V I S I O N P A T T E R S O N Lighting Concepts of the Orb, UK P S I L O C Y B I N Jolt & MultiColor Smart Bars Mind Machines LASER SHOW Anti-Gravity Simulator Out-of-State Tickets $12 For Info: ----- & $15 & Turbozen, Pittsburgh 412.621-7759 _____ Vinylmania, NYC 212.463-7120 Planet X, NJ 908.249-0304 For Ticket Information: Bus Trip Information MELLO, NYC 212.677-2338 * MARC, Delaware M O D E R N M U S I C 302.453-8567 * MusicNow, DC 202.638-3272 410.523-1882 MINDWARP, BOston 617.266-1987 WINK, Philly 215.627-4423 T H I C K G R O O V E S F O R T H I C K P E O P L E ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday , May 8 ALBANY, NY (518) 272 - RAVE REDEMPTION Saturday May 8th Space Productions Presents: REDEMPTION DANCEXTRAVEGAMNZA: Midnight till? Harmonic Resonance By Direct Drive Liquid Cooled DJs: DESI: Infastructure LI'L SPROUT: Infastructure GEORGE RODRIGUEZ: Thee DJ SPACE: WRPI MEDICINE MAN: WSPN MR. TRASH: United Techno Pete Panik: WE-B Insane LI RAS: QE2 STINGRAY: NYC Strobing SPectroblasts and Intellibeams by PROJECT EX light crew Big Dipper Rave Toys/Game Area?/CD-Tape Giveaways/VIdeo Screens/Shadow walls *Alcohol Free*Smartbar*Breakfast INFO: 518-272-RAVE TICKETS: 8$ in Advance, 11$ Door Tickets Available at MUSIC SHACK and RECORDS and SUCH in Albany. DIR:? CALL or THey'll be posted soon enough.... (from Tony=AI3264%ALBNYVMS.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU) *note: I know ther is some phat stuff going on elsewhere, but if you'd like to come to this I can get you tickets if you want, and possible provide crash/chill space.....ToNy :) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 MONTREAL, CAN (514) 671 - 4933 RAVE EN COULEUR! Francois Dion presents: an IdMEDIA production RaVe en CouLeur! Saturday, May 8 1993 Montreal, QC, Canada DJ: Martin Rene De Cotret ( Clandestin) Francois Dion ( Branche: Monde) Dominic Gervais ( DG) + LIVE performance by Fuzzy Logic + VJ: Marco + Multimedia cyber lighting system by IdMEDIA + Virtual rave + audio/video computer systems + Smart bar + rave toys the place will only be announced 24 hours in advance at: (514) 671-4933 This number gives you interactive information 24 hours a day on the Montreal techno-rave scene and much more. _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 8 PROVIDENCE, R.I. (508) 226 - 6716 QUEST Amoebahead Productions, originators of the Providence techno underground, present The Return of a Rave Called QUEST Saturday, May 8, 1993 Frankie Bones (Groove World records/Brooklyn) Keoki (Disco 2000/Manhattan) Jimmy Crash (Direct Drive Records/Brooklyn) Heart (Under One Sky/Brooklyn) 333 & MGEE (Blue Crew/U.K. Dynamic Duo) Osheen (Providence) Adam X (X-Crash/Brooklyn) XVX (Rabid City Records/U.K.) James Christian (Future Shock/Long Island) Tym Ryan (Venus de Milo/Boston) Debo (Mindwarp/Boston) Happy (Boston) Live! on Stage DX-13 (industrial strength records/providence) Age/Exit 100 (force inc./lab works; germany's original acid masters) Force Mass Motion (rabbit city records/u.k.) Lighting by Pandemonium Visuals by Fluid Plus! Moonbounces, lasers, free beach party afterhours tickets: $17 (advance $15) Providence: Luna Sea (401) 272-5862 Manhattan: Vinylmania (212) 463-7120 Brooklyn: Groove Records (718) 266-1079 Boston: Boston Beat (617) 561-4790 Quest info lines: Providence: Amoebahead (508) 226-6716 New York : Mello Mello (212) 631-4290 Joint Ventures (212) 629-2061 Trepp (212) 629-1960 Boston: Primary (617) 232-3104 Mindwarp (617) 499-4848 Benny (617) 267-3358 Maine: KC & Sunshine Gang (201) 773-6979 Balt/D.C.: Atomic Vibe (410) 752-7305 Promotional thanx: mello mello, primary, trepp, joint ventures, eddie van raven, heather heather, atomic vibe, mindwarp, benny, kc & sunrise gang ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 PROVIDENCE, R.I. (617) 232 - 3104 GREEN house and trance primary (secondary => ) productions 617.232.3104 dj's: armand has been confirmed and others to come...(Dante) _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 WASHINGTON D.C. (202) 298 - 9000 MARS Tonka presents: A Voyage to MARS Washington and Baltimore host a gathering of the east coast families on Mars. A neutral point 141 million miles away from the territorial disputes and political traumas of earth PROVIDING THE SOUNDS OF OUR PLANET& Keoki (Limelight) Frankie Bones (Storm) Josh Wink (philly) Dante (Evolution) Debo (Boston) Scott Henry (Fever) Lieven (MusicN) IN THE ATOMIC VIBE DEPRESSURIZATION CHAMBER& DJ Who, Tom T, DJ Sun, Ryde, Wash, and Pegas AMUSEMENT CENTRAL& 15 watt full color laser Insane projections on 20ft screen 100,000 watts Bass NeuroEnergy smartbar 70,000 sqft warehouse Anti-Gravity Moon Bounce + WORLD GALATIC PREMIRE SF/X SHOW - MEDIA METAPHYSICS & MACHINE IN 3D HOLOCAUSTIC SOUND 100% legal - all permits secured $ 15 starting may 10-15th Boarding passes will be sold at: Music Now 202.638-3272(D.C.) Modern Music 410.523-1882 Tonka: 202.298.9000D.C. Atomic Vibe: 410.880.7144 Balt. Philly-Wink 215.292-4666 N.C. -Spins 919.274-8530 Pitts-Turbozen 412.621-7759 Brooklyn-Joint Ventures 212.631-1065 Boston-Mindwarp 617.499-4848 N.J.-Scooter 201.927-2292 Toronto-Chemistry:Nav 416.567-8894 Philly-Applejack 215.602-2226 Del.-MARC 302.453-8567 Nationwide-1 (800) 4-RAVE-LINE Peace-Love-Unity ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 WASHINGTON D.C. ? (301) 279 - 7927 MONGREL DANCE FLOOR DESTRUCTION BY: Adam X (Brooklyn) Lenny Dee (industrial strength) Jimmy Crash (Brooklyn) T-Shread (LA) DJ 749 (DC) M&M (back from the future) Double 07 (DC) James Christian (LI) Mindphuq (Baltimore) Jason Jinx (NASA) + LIVE performance by ODYSSEY featuring MC No Shame 40,000 watts of viscious bass intellabeam illumination smartbar/ mind machines 1st exclusive Hip Hop chill out room on the East Coast You think this party's not going on? Your crazy!! ______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 15 NEW YORK CITY VISION _______________________________________________________________________________ Sunday, May 16 NEW YORK CITY EVOLUTION PICNIC in NYC's Central Park Picnic with the Evolution collective and Dante _______________________________________________________________________________ Fri-Sun May 21-23 VERMONT ELEVATION elevation- a weekend long rave held in a ski resort may 21-23 in vermont (smugglers notch) 2 arena's- main area- on the mountainside confirmed dj's: onionz dante jason jinx wink a place called bliss james christian alx of london disco dan mayhem osheen jason (mouse) arena two- in a lodge- anyone who wants to spin can schedule for a time and go to it. tickets are $40 for the entire weekend $99 for the weekend including lodging and access to the pool, hot tubs, tennis, racketball, ect. $cheaper id you come after 8pm on Saturday (comment from camper) more dj's unconfirmed, but lets just say that san francisco djs are being considered. (good ones) _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, May 29 WASHINGTON D.C. (703) 971 - 4555 VIVID Catastrophic 93 Presents: VIVID The Rave continues in 93 _____________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 5 BOSTON, MA YELLOW the makers of BLUE take you one step beyond... Yellow 5 J U N E 1993 welcome to the next level _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 12 BALT - WASH D.C. (410) 563 - 7880 THE ULTIMATE SEDUCTION THE ULTIMATE SEDUCTION June 12, 1993 A major event in the Baltimore-Washington area taking place outdoors in two large circus tents Featuring top DJ's from North America & England INFO-LINE: 410.563.7880 Sat-Sun June 19-20 NEW YORK STATE (212) 330 - 8233 RAVESTOCK _______________________________________________________________________________ Saturday, June 26 EAST COAST FROSTED RAVE (from Tarek E