Ne-Raves Digest Volume 2, Issue 1 For the month of January, 1993 This digest starts from Thursday, December 31st, and ends on January 30th, sometime around 1am when the backup tapes were created. Some days of messages (about 1 or two) may have been lost between the time that the backup was made and the time that the Feburary 1993 archives start. I lost the file while attempting to digestify it As always, subscription requests to ne-raves-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu and discussions on ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu. Calendar subscriptions only (no discussions) are available by sending mail to ne-raves-cal-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu --John jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu List Admin [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Happy New Year Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:39:31 EST Well, at the close of 1992, I just wanted to say a big thank you to all the super cool people here, and at all the events. See you all in 1993. Feliz nuevo ano, all! -Ed -djSLiP- P.S. Don't forget to watch 48 Hours next Wednesday night. It's going to be all about the resurging popularity of LSD. TV Guide was quick to note that "raves are helping its comeback". [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:48:41 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (when dreams moved in) Subject: DECEMBER ARCHIVES on media.mit.edu December. 1992 archives are now available on media.mit.edu via anonymous FTP.. enjoy! (oh, directory: pub/ne-raves/incoming) Someone move these when they get back from break! -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:51:44 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: gathering of the vibes > Jeno - SanFrancisco's Finest By the way, this isn't just promoter hype; Jeno is generally regarded as the best rave DJ in San Francisco. He's my favorite, at least. Don't miss him. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: A MIRACLE ON BOWERY AND SECOND Date: Fri, Jan 1, 1993 00.00:11:20 -0500 GMT How... FIRST WORD: the NEW YEARS RAVE was a fraud! Perpretrated my those who have no respect for the people who maintain the scene, the average raver, and his daily life odroll christmas carols ;> ;> *> i shouldve noticed that somethingg was terribly worng when alll of the big heads of NEw York get together to throw a new years rave. Tickets $20... Satellite, Scotto, Storm, all in cahoots to rape us. And not even concerned that we may realize cuz apparently they have us caught in their net, most of us not havingg the money to throw one (but later in the letter ill get to that) and so they get us in their BASEMENT of the Guggenheim to sweat our asses off and then *whoop* sor-praiz! busted by the fire marshal ggosh wonder why could'vr been the entire lack of fire exits?! no!!!! then a word spreads thru the crowd head back to the mappoint (2nd and Bowery) but this was an obvious dumppoint for most of the poor ravers. They were herded out systematically and paraded to the club-dungeons of the imperial overseers they we re fielding the crowd with yellow passes dead ringers for the NEW YEARS RAVE passes that promised many similar djs and started at 4 AM at the LimElitE and (whooh. make it all underground and shit... :)ould take this down and so it came that a gorup of ravers of congregating in frontt of CBGB's its a little past two on a new years day and many are just starting to trip (haaaaaaaRRD) and so and so cars start up to the sidewalk becuz of the need (innate) in a crowd of this magnitude and velocit-e for sound, starting us on some weird voyage into making yourselves warm and forgetting your on a street corner in Manhattan and shit... {PT. II comin up yall] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 11:45:58 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: YOW! man its JUST like the sixties.... ;) now from brother Doug's mailer i continue.... the cars start ggoingg up and up, ggettingg bigger and biggerm and tthen what do you know ne-raves in DA HOUSE!!!! e va n and Mars are awailable now with their p phunqway white van and pumpin out dha jamz. totally a method of madness deception but cleansing tte sidewalk the mad bwad boyz starttt moving as people continue their way of saving money and nott being stoopid enuff to go to caffeine or limElitE lots of sorts of people saw us and that was o-kaye. their were the sooper old-sk old-skool step-show? (ex-breakdancer style homeless since hip-hop was shoplifted tby dh MAN) people and they had the dope moovz. down pat. nice. and complete. this one guy was e-d out collecting everyone's names/phones so we can do it agga again next year (i guess ;) itt was just totally the happy dancing vibe tribe a and the world watched us and the sky was a mottled purple haze it was totally twisted... bringz me to the point of where and when we are!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 12:17:48 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: NEW RAVER breaks out OF THE MAnS grasp JUST FOR THE unininttsheated. Mr. SparklE (not his brother Doug whose acout this is indeed) is writin this... Totally the kickin vibe was felt spasmodically and sporadically happening under neath a total liquidized level what can we the RAVERZ DO NOW?! the scene in the northeast is run mainly by 19-21 year olds. most of them are RI RICH KIDS. whatever. kidz playing with toyz Virus-23 style while they drive Audi s. what the fuck do these kids have that we the same agge and older have not MONEY. TIME. ORGGANIZATION. the bacikingg of the NEW YORK CLUBcartel. tthey take your money, strip you of your rave. and then charge you to enter their hallowed temples the Limelite and Palladium this is not the way it should be. what THE FUCK ARE WE DOINGG out here anyway?!! examine: we are doing all that we wanted to do: HAVING FUN. (pt. IV next) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: to create the perfekt raver Date: Fri, Jan 1 1993, 00.12:45:50 -0500 Their are two ways that you the raver who hath sought to read this mailform can look at our little scen in the future. WE HAVE TWO PATHS. one we follow the promoter cartle who now tthat they can make money off of us and techno is (trendIOEEE) enuff ::::: to get the trendy set like those bozo yuppies who walked into the ggoddand rave with this total: lets watch what the phreeqs will do tonitee! mindset on. but with fit-in colors we musnt let anyone get more or less down on the fact!! dont tell them whatever you do that you are a raver that you listen to techno that you dose that you wear purple sunglasses that you have bagggeee b-boy style clothes becuz these are all cool and i like them so baaaad... but we have to allow the fact that this is fun. AND ITS OUR FUN!!! GIMEEEE!!! rrrrr... we cant allow the promoter swine to take us down that path. we can take this? this dont say this its all individual YOURSELF undergground get a nice 50 person rave on a streetcorner goin THIS is whatt it should be. we need to keep hold ask yourdelf. you a raver. good? and so what does that mean? do you enjoy dancingg? do you enjoy smartdrinkS? or ggetting lost in a sea of colorz? what do you expect to get out of the scene?! cuz if your motives aint pure than leave us alone. this aint no joke this is pure FUN on a direct anti-Protestant work ethic and moral value level since dancing is a pure expression. it demands pure people no trendee excess please. wuuzat? youainitatrendeee? (so ask yourself do you namedrop techno and rave did you want to find out what was up with those things and then ggot into the music because you saw the THINGS andd objectified a lot of bullshit sixties stuff around it sixties coming back and shit THEY WERENT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEY NEVER LEFT!!! we listen to this music. i love this music. i love to dance to this music. i have fun. this should be the total oath the keystone of a new rave culture to be built on the ashes of the niteklublnad vultures projekts NEVER GO TO NASA AGGAIN DONT SUCK OFF OF DEBOS TIT what does this mean? exclusivity. oh well lets get the undergrounds going. but do not use the term call em raves satirically. --boom. BOOMBOOMBOOM --Mr.SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 01 Jan 1993 13:04:46 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: ... I wonder why the peo{le who are organizing these raves don't secure a space ahead of time, and then MAKE SURE the fire marshall doesn't shut 'em down, by verifying the safety of the space long before the shit even happens.. It just requires some planning.. It's probably worth the extra time to ensure that the rave doesn't get shut down, and that people don't lose money.. This has happened MANY times.. Several Storm raves, Revelation, this New Year's thing.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: a few mo werdz pleeez Date: Fri, Jan 1 1993, 00.13:09:57 -0500 just the last observations: At the bottom of the Essence pass (niceun BTW) it says: SUPPORT THE SCEN THAT HAS SUPPORTED YOU! whadda i say? FUCK THAT SHIT! PABST! BLUE RIBBON!!! another pass her: NEBULA sat Jan 9 fucking wants to be underground we call it fake you've ggot: DJ SPY (disinteggrator-DC) listed and that fucking is dumbass cuz dj spy sux (1) and disintegrator is a NY band (2) but obviously DC is so muthafukkin hahahahdkoah so Oliver and his rich friends can play games while playing Virus23 style fuck that shit dont patronize these assholes BOYCOTT!!! fuck them we are strongg enuff we dont need MELLO MELLO DEBO ONIONZ FRANKIE MUTHAFUKKA SCOTT RICHMOND (...and whoo speaking of the rich arroggant Westchester dick) SCOTTO XELIBRIUM PRODUCTIONS FRESH JIVE LORD MICHAEL ALAN SANCTUARY the list of TRAY-TERZ gggggggrowz fuck drivingg into the city. gget yo friends togetha chill pop some nice Hardcore tekkno in the tape deck hit the street corner nearest you and dont be as silly as we came back with this one raver in the cab back to GCT and anyway he met up again with a friend he was cout off from but after a while we all go outside a little there are feathers floating from the top of the Pan Am building and we have spoken about our hahdkoah excellent ravesperience and then said unknown friend of our "budd-e" starts ggoin: "yo we can throw undergrounds" "get (namedrop here) he djs ggood stuff" this is totally the thing to avoid: hes tryin to impress people naughty naugghty nnnnoooo cant have of that nope nope remember they didnt force you to pay entry (get in illegally!!!!) but the clubrave scene WOULD FOLD UP LIKE THE ROTTED OUT TRUNK of frustrated house producers who couldnt exploit that cuz it didnt get pop enuff fast enuff and went back dEEEP underground which is just what "techno" should do now. Without, we, the scene there is no scenery. Get Debo out sweeping malls where he belonggz. PEACE AND LOVISM AND HAPPY NEW MOFO YEAR ESPECIALLY TO THE Ne-CBGB-Raver tribe and those boyz evan and Marz im outtie --Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 1-JAN-1993 13:36:31.68 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: makin sho this goz shonuff thru Received: from pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu by EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU (PMDF #12650) id <01GT07EJU1008Y5GE1@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU>; Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:04 EST Received: by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu id AA07241 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:03:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:03:28 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output To: kzimmerman@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Message-id: <199301011803.AA07241@pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- hwyman: User has exceeded their disk quota, try again later 550 ... Can't create output ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA07239 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Jan 1993 13:03:28 -0500 Received: from eagle.wesleyan.edu by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jan 93 12:46:10 -0500 From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Message-Id: <9301011746.AA06556@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: to create the perfekt raver Date: Fri, Jan 1 1993, 00.12:45:50 -0500 Organization: slim jims yo. Apparently-To: Their are two ways that you the raver who hath sought to read this mailform can look at our little scen in the future. WE HAVE TWO PATHS. one we follow the promoter cartle who now tthat they can make money off of us and techno is (trendIOEEE) enuff ::::: to get the trendy set like those bozo yuppies who walked into the ggoddand rave with this total: lets watch what the phreeqs will do tonitee! mindset on. but with fit-in colors we musnt let anyone get more or less down on the fact!! dont tell them whatever you do that you are a raver that you listen to techno that you dose that you wear purple sunglasses that you have bagggeee b-boy style clothes becuz these are all cool and i like them so baaaad... but we have to allow the fact that this is fun. AND ITS OUR FUN!!! GIMEEEE!!! rrrrr... we cant allow the promoter swine to take us down that path. we can take this? this dont say this its all individual YOURSELF undergground get a nice 50 person rave on a streetcorner goin THIS is whatt it should be. we need to keep hold ask yourdelf. you a raver. good? and so what does that mean? do you enjoy dancingg? do you enjoy smartdrinkS? or ggetting lost in a sea of colorz? what do you expect to get out of the scene?! cuz if your motives aint pure than leave us alone. this aint no joke this is pure FUN on a direct anti-Protestant work ethic and moral value level since dancing is a pure expression. it demands pure people no trendee excess please. wuuzat? youainitatrendeee? (so ask yourself do you namedrop techno and rave did you want to find out what was up with those things and then ggot into the music because you saw the THINGS andd objectified a lot of bullshit sixties stuff around it sixties coming back and shit THEY WERENT HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEY NEVER LEFT!!! we listen to this music. i love this music. i love to dance to this music. i have fun. this should be the total oath the keystone of a new rave culture to be built on the ashes of the niteklublnad vultures projekts NEVER GO TO NASA AGGAIN DONT SUCK OFF OF DEBOS TIT what does this mean? exclusivity. oh well lets get the undergrounds going. but do not use the term call em raves satirically. --boom. BOOMBOOMBOOM --Mr.SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 16:26:50 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: ne-raves posse in '93!!!!! New Years Rave - a catastrophic production. This will be a rather sorry review because I had to bring the person who I went with early (we left @3 am) We got there around 10:30 or so. This was in the same building that the Masquerave was held in. There were about 10 or so intellebeams and the argon laser. I really don't know who was spinning what or when, but there was a lot of trance being played. probably 80% of all the music was trance. There were a lot of people there that weren't dancing. Kinda killed the vibe a bit, but in selected areas of the warehouse, the vibe was great. The did have a chill-out room, but it was really small and packed. Oh yeah the whole warehouse was packed...there had to have been like 5000 people there at least. There were points during the show when they would have the laser on, making sine waves and all, and in the smoke it looked gorgeous (very trippy), but it made people stop dancing and just stare. I don't know if that's such a good thing. One cool thing...we were just wondering around, and I noticed as I spend more and more time there, I started moving more and more. Finally, my friend and I were just watching everything, and the DJ threw on some song with an amazing beat, and involuntarily I began to jump and dance ...It was strange, but a sorta spiritual feeling... Conclusion: It was fun, but nothing amazing. Just once I want to go with a group of people who will stay to the end of a rave. None of my fellow rave goers will do this... 'till ultraworld III and Liquid holiday next week... digital.druid  [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Re: ... Date: Fri, Jan 1 1993, 00.16:26:44 -0500 i guess i wasnt clear as a bell on why it was busted... it was a SCAM, SETUP. this was a "bust" quote marks in neon. Frankie Muthafukka waz even spinning when it happened. Revelation was busted becuz the piggz wanted to bust it. Storm was busted (in July) cuz they stepped on the niteklubland's territory and got called on by limelite people and all that. they just wanted to make a second $20 off of us [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 17:02:50 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: catastrophic so how did catastrophic go? . doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Ravin in the NEW YEAR! From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 17:12:42 EST I can't say that Catastrophic 93 was the BEST rave I've been to, because it wasn't. There were only two chillout rooms, and they were both small and very hot (from all the smoke). There was only one DJ spinning at one time (no two spearate rooms like at the last two raves). The lights were cool, and the laser was cool (although they didn't really do anything fun with it until around 7). BUT last night was definitely the best rave EXPERIENCE of my life. I started out with two of my friends (well, one of my friends; I didn't really like the other one too much). We stopped by MusicNow around 10:30 to get tickets. These three girls immediately ran up to me and asked for a ride to the rave. Sure, why not? We had a station wagon... Anyway, that was cool because I like weird spontatneous things like that. And they were friendly and fun. So we got to the rave around 11 (it was NOT the same place as Masquerave, Digital Druid! That was at Kilmer place!). It was in some kind of paintball arena in Laural, MD and it was really cool because it had really high ceilings, so the lights looked cool. I started dancing around and ran into a bunch of friends of mine. Then I ran into some more... Overall people were friendly and cool. I was amazed at how many people commented on my Chem Lab shirt. Everyone was coming up and saying "Cool shirt!". At one point a guy even came up to me and asked where I got the shirt. I told him and he said "I used to be in that band." Hehe, crazy eh? Two people actually took pictures of me. I felt so special! :-) Anyway, I was having a good time, but not a great time. I ran into Digital Druid (rather, he ran into me) and that was cool. I also later found tedwards and the laser posse :-), and some other people I forget right now (sorry!). I was happy to meet all you ne-ravers! Never did find you, Rob! Anyway, it was around 3 and I was getting sort of tired, which worried me, since I don't usually get tired that early and I was planning on staying the entire time anyway. I had been scouting around for X and finally found some, capsules. I paid $25, expecting the worst. I kept dancing around, waiting for it to take effect. After about an hour nothing had happened and I figured I was ripped. Ah well. I found some (sealed) Vivarin on the ground and decided to take them, since I was so damn tired. At that point I went and lay in the corner. Incidentally yesterday morning I fainted for the first time in my life. It was really odd and scary. I just stood up from typing on the computer, started getting this incredible headrush and then I was on the floor with my head buzzing incredibly. It was very weird. So I was wondering about my health... So I lay there in a nice dry corner for a while with my eyes closed. I started getting into the music more, feeling it coming through the floor. I was really enjoying just lying there; I didn't want to get up. But my friends wanted to go back and dance and I didn't want to be left all alone there, so I got up. I felt pretty good, really good, actually. We found the girls that we drove there (and wound up driving home) and I started dancing again. The music was incredible. I started really getting into it. Within about 1 minute I was completely awake and PURE ENERGY! I felt fantastic! It took me a while to realize that the X had probably taken effect. It was great, because I felt wide awake, energized, into the groove, I loved everyone, and yet I didn't really feel like I was on anything. No speedy sensation. Completely different from my other X experiences. Anyway, I was really getting into it, dancing around. I'm sure I looked goofy enough, but I felt like I had little puppet strings on me, moving me exactly to the beat. It felt so right. There was a really good vibe atht this point, with everyone dancing. After a while I wanted to lie down again, so I just lay down on my backpack on the dance floor. It felt great. I also had my little battery-powered Brookstone massager, which felt really cool. People kept waving at me and smiling, some stopped to offer me water or ask if I was alright. I was so happy. I felt hot, but okay. After a while, the coldness of the floor permeated through and I got up to dance some more. I repeated this several times. At some point I glanced up and noticed there was light coming through the windows and skylights. That was sort of a downer, actually, because I also realized I could see all the trash everywhere and everything. It didn't bother me too much. At that point I turned around to see a neon green ne-raves badge bouncing around some neck. I grabbed it and looked at it. Camper! I showed him my makeshift 3.5" ne-raves disk. I kept on dancing... Apparently Dante was playing at this point. The music was cool, but I had liked it better about two hours earlier. Anyway, we were all tired at this point, and my friends wanted to head home, so we left around eight. I stepped outside into the brisk morning air, pasty blue skies with clouds looming out at me in several places. A flock of canadian geese was flying overhead, honking. As we walked to the car, I thought "I finally found it! I finally found the vibe I was looking for." Thanks guys... fantastic time. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 17:05:23 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: new york, a rave and another rave here is how the night in New York went for me, . We were going to the New York New Years Rave. we got to the map point where they were supposed to give out tickets and directions at 11:30PM. When we got there no one was selling tickets, after waiting past the new year waiting for the promoters who were supposed to sell more tickets as they became available, we decided to follow two ravers who had tickets, thus directions to the place. We got there and were able to buy tickets at the door. as we went in a cop was driving by very slowly. not a good sign. (The cops ARE everywhere). Down the stairs and into the basement. The place was OK. First room chill- out room, to the left trance room, and the hardcore room straight ahead. Effects were at a minimum, but there was a large crowd and it was moving. I started to get into a beat, after finding a place on the floor where the dancefloor was smooth and was moving along, drinking water every tteo minutes because it was so warm. Suddenly I saw moving through the crowd people in red ja ckets, the fire marshals. They got to Frankie Bones who was on the t-tables at the time and shut him down. Went to the trance room cause music still on, but soon went off there too. Found out the rave was over by a girl coming up and giving me a hug and a kiss while saying, The rave's busted. Happy New Year! (cant wait to get back to DC, the land of unbusted raves) Anyways we (all the ravers) were supposed to go back to the map point for further directions. During this whole time the thing smelled foul. All there was was that one little enterance door for everyone to exit out of. SURE, like the flyer said, it was legit. If that place had caught Fire, youd be hearing about 1000 dead ravers on the evening news. Walked back to CBBG got there around 2AM. At that point must of been over 1000 ravers on that little sidewalk and into the streets waiting to see what would happen, as we were told to do. Hanging off a building, I joined other ravers whistling a beat, and about fifty were movingfor a good fifteen minutes. But after time the crowd began to dwindle, but it did not lose at all its carefree spirit. Runing into the streets waving at passerbyers. Anyways around 3somthingAM a guy walks around saying either go to Limelight for $20, or Caffine for $6 on the island. $20!!! needless to say that money was not easily asseccesable. Well most people lefo for one of those places and soon the nuber had dwindled to maybe 150. One car pulled up and started playing techno, but its sound system sucked. . Then another car behind the first started playing techno. Better but still not great. Then behind that car a van started playing these crazy mixed-up techno tapes. The van had a nice sound system and the 70 or so people still there went crazy, While dancing there on the streetcorner a ne-rave badge caught my eye, I went over and it was MARS! then EVAN! the tapes were mixed by Mars, and let me tell you, Allentown I am a waiting. One tapes was almost totally hardcore, the next mix of hip hop breakbeat, house, and other stuff!!! We were there about three hours or so on a street corner about fourty or fifty people just dancing out little asses off!!!! It was the most interesting vibe ive ever encountered. people walking along the street would just stop and start dancing with everone else, fourty year old people!!! This one guy had all there tapes and he threw them out to everyone, another person had a camera and was taking pictures of everyone else. By the time Mars and Evan drove away around 6:30ish I recognized every one of th e people there. It was great a real loving and feeling happiness. All the vehicles that passed by honking horns and waving, whistles, people runing out into the streets waving to people, a funky vibe on the sidewalk. The crowd of so many different people, it was the MOST INCREDIBLE feeling I have even felt. It was a true feeling of loving and happiness, it was crazy. Taking a group photo at the end, when all the sudden this guy in a polyester jacket and for cap jumps out of a taxi with a monkey. Crazy! Rode back to Grand Central with total happinessXXX. It was It was the best NEW YEARS ive ever spent in my life. HAPPY NEW YEARS ALL YOU NE_RAVERS!! I LOVE YOU ALL!!!! . doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 17:59:38 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: corrections regarding catastrophic: This wasn't where Masquerave was, it was where Raves 'R' Us was...sorry about that. Also, They had this pyrotechnic thing going on...so when it was 12:00 am friday, 1, 1993 they set it off, and it was just a big explosion. ..waiting for you ALL to come down next weekend for liquid holiday/ultraworld, FREE ROOM!!!!!... d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: a few mo werdz pleeez Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 19:27:25 EST > BOYCOTT!!! > [...] > ONIONZ Somehow I don't think Onionz belongs on this list of get-rich-quick-ers. Last night he and I spun at a small private party. Our fee? $0. Gratis. If a new, deep-underground scene needs to form, by god let's do it. But slagging on *everyone* in the above-ground scene will only throw the baby out with the bathwater. -Ed -=djSLiP=- "Never forget the best." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 17:26:57 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: new york, a rave and another rave REPLY TO 01/01/93 14:59 FROM DZ5401A@american.edu "Douglas B. Zimmerman": new york, a rave and another rave i too went to the new years rave and arrived just in time for the fre marshalls. at frst i couldnUt fgure out the two mafoso security guards outside in the badly ftting italian suit who voted me best hat award, i thought i was on a cruise. then i just fgured theyUd by the firemarshalls offf, cause its ny and nobody really cares about anything but their own. i thought the space could have been really hip if worked right, the fact it was the guggenheim basement tripped me the fuck out, i duno why. - ohh i was wearing this huge cat in the hat hat. and i thought my previously non-raver friends would be really bummed it was being busted. but they were tripping and fell in love with the people. and i must say that the crowd was way friendly, and way young. i met this woman with a fake nose ring that i thought was a weird idea in body beautifcation. i liked the pacify trend, and the back-packs made out of soap boxes, and i wish someone could tell me the whole ny ski-goggle fascination. so we left, and followed the other 2000 space alliens around back to map point a (like there was a b) and the mood was great, but i couldnUt fgure out why everyone who raves in ny has the thickest accents. unfugginbeliebable. so then some people start getting aggro. and there was this guy on a banister yelling {hey, i got a skunk rave right here, i/ll get you roasted for $4 bucks. i/m going to light this skunk but up right here and rave my ass off, etc...} someone i think i used to play in the playground with when i was 3 {nikki} decided it would be a good idea to break into the promoter, scottoUs house. that didnUt work, but if they had set up the stereo outside, we would have been appreciative... and the people at the dancehall club across the street gave us a bunch o weird looks, but eventually hipped to us i guess, and i heard all the dancehall i play on my radio show, so i decided i should be a dancehall dj, cause i seem to know what/s going on there for some weird reason. so my friends and i boogied to the car beat, but unfortunately some of our other friends drove by before the van came and pickjed us up and took us to their house for breakfast. all in all i had one of the better new years of recent memory even though i found the ny crowd more bitchy, yet on the positive side, easier to be friendly with than out on the west coast. yet the degree to which an event is organized on the westcoast was unmatched by the ny people. shame on them... To: DZ5401A@american.edu cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:33:05 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: Re: new york, a rave and another rave yo, don't know if anyone remembers me, but i came home to ny for the break, so i haven't been posting, but shit, yeah, i was at that rave and at that damn street corner with the white van until like 6:30am. shit, kzimmerman and douglas zimmerman, who were you? i was the one in the striped white and black stocking cap and the blue polartec pullover with the green back pack. shit. i don't believe there were ne ravers there and i didn't even know it. well, yeah, that night was incredible. a couple hours earlier, when there was still a substantial amount of people on the corner across from thatisland lunge, i started making a tribal beat on my empty poland spring water bottle and other guys started banging on it with me and i saved the bottle after it got mashed. shit. and then there was this guy named trevor who got down on the ground with two aluminum beer cans and started banging it on the concrete, making this beat. it was crazy. well, some random notes. the ticket for the rave said 100% bust free and before i left for manhattan, i called scotto's nasa line and he did mention the bit aobut the limelightbreakfast at 4 am and i did notice that there were a lot of the same dj's who were gonna be at limelight for the big breakfast. i found that peculiar plus the fact that frankie hahdkoah bones was dj'ing while it got busted. isn't it true thatmost places start out with the lesser known dj's and then end with the bigger ones, generally? so bones probably wanted to get himself some attention so he let himself dj before he made sure it got busted. this guy told me that scotto , et al were to tell the police to bust the guggenheim at 7 am, then everyone would go to limelight, but that the word got out too early, so it was busted at like 1:30. also, the rave sight was announced a day early, in thevillage voice, in the section about weekend happenings, it said that there was a rave in the basement of the guggenheim museum. that smells kinda fishy. kenny [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 1 Jan 93 23:19:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (sugar hiccup) Subject: Happy NOVA Year Hi everyone! This is Laura and John reporting in from Boston. Sorry to hear that the New Years' rave in New York was so beat. When I (Laura) heard that the tickets were going to be $20 I decided there was no way in hell I was going to go. Too much money to pay for peace, love, and unity, you know? Anyway, John and Laura headed down to Providence for NOVA. We were a bit leery about this rave, as it was being put on by the Oracle people, who had had their last rave busted for "selling food without a permit." But we thought we'd give it a try since there wasn't anything else to do in Boston. We found the place easily, it was at the Boy's Club in Pawtucket, a big atheletic facility away from residential areas and the like. There was plenty of parking, clean bathrooms, heat, and no horse shit.... We got there very early and John helped Josh (laser guy), Steve (lights guy) and Oshin (DJ guy) with the final loose ends of setting up for a party. The doors opened about half an hour late (at 10.30 rather than 10.00). The dance itself was held in the gym -- it was like being in High School again, but this time with a robo-scan, 6 intellabeams, various flashes and smoke machines, two (wimpy!!) He-Ne lasers, and a bunch of video/media stuff brought in by EBN. We were dancing around rather aimlessly (relentless breakbeat blues you know -- no offense, Damian) when Laura was attacked by a guy wearing lots of stripes and jewelry made out of ball chain. Upon emerging from the bear hug Laura realized it was Taylor, who had come out from Western CT with some friends. Shortly thereafter Donato arrived; all of us being together turned things into a Happy New Year kind of party. Laura was really tired most of the night, so really can't speak objectively on the vibe of the night. She'll let John type for a while now. -- John here.. there was general vibe of _distress_ amoung the DJ's. Mostly complains from a poorly setup and EQ'ed sound system, people asking for the impossible (like getting rid of the echos in a concrete gymnasium), but this lasted for the first few hours or so and quickly passed. Oshin attacked the turntables a few times during the night , performing his 3-turntable trance terror. In the immortal words of taylor, "This man is GOD!" EBN's computer graphics show on 3 video projectors was nice, it managed to transform a lowly gym into a "rave" (sic). Police were ever present during the night, and drug use, was down. They didn't interfere with the rave, mostly staying behind a glass reception booth in the lobby and keeping to themselves. A couple officers even shook their heads and gazed upon the turntables during Oshin's set. I think I've been to too many raves. When I try and write a review, and have to look back and evaluate what I've seen/done, it all seems the same, on big,long,continious rave. I don't really think raves "end" per se. The vibe just reemerges on different nights , in different locales, with the same colorful cast of characters. I enjoyed this one, like the other good ones, <_NOT_ the last storm rave> and I think Oracle Productions redeemed themselves. Too many times groups of people put down producers when a rave goes sour, or when they make just ONE mistake. In the case of the Storm Cartel, and they've made so many mistakes we can't forgive them. (Then again, you look at this two ways: A) they're working on a bigger scale , or B) They're just plain greedy) Synopsis: Good rave, great fun, shitty sound system, good DJ's. Thank goodness it was a "No-Smoking Rave". I didn't have to deal with the stench of cigarette smoke, or pot for that matter. I actually came home smelling decent for a change. (Laura again): The crowd was really really good for New Year's -- people were friendly and happy, which is a change from what I see in clubs on New Years . . . . people who smoked had an area to do that in, and one smoker remarked that she didn't mind at all because when she came back to the dance floor everything was fresh and clear. I had been in a really bad mood at the start of the rave, but what with Taylor and Dietrich and Sarah and Donato showing up, and with all these people I didn't know smiling at me and giving me candy all night, and with John being very sweet to me, and Oshin's great trance sets, I was "cured" by the end of the night (with no chemical help, either). I think if I had been "ready to rave" when I got there I would have had a terriffic evening. When they turned the lights back on at 5.30 (but left the music going during cleanup/breakdown) the energy level remained high and about 35 people kept dancing and were still going when we left around 6.00. This wasn't the BEST rave I've ever been too, but it was pefectly enojoyable and fun. One quick note ( John again ) The rave was supposed to go till 8:30am, but difficulties with the gym ( lighting & sound ) pushed everything ahead by about 3 hours, and they decided to start breaking down early to remove the Lights and finally the sound system. later people! rave on ? - John & Laura. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Onionz et al Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 01:11:46 -0500 well -=djSLiP=-, when i slagged Onionz that was becuz he was listed on the pass for the new year's rave. i suppose he may be innocent maybe he chose not to dj it and did your exclusive swank fete instead becuz he didnt wanna betray the raverman. he is evolution too so i dunno. --BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMCHAWKCHAWKCHAWKBOOM BOOM BOOM Mr. SparklE ps. almost forgot but i wasnt saying something like creating a deep-underground (i ass ume by your choice of words you see our scene as underground get a clue it isnt you can get into nasa and get a pass to any rave voila you too our a raver (tm) i was talking about ravers taking it into their own hands to have fun like a ne-raves rave y'know? not promoted heavily not meant to be a moneymaker do it all pashdown style and shit Fun. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Frankie Muthafukka Speaks: UOS garbage #8 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 01:21:22 -0500 Excerpt from letters page of UOS#8, fresh on the newstand [parsed by cynicalraver]: "If you have been keeping up with the scene over the past 12 months the you knowhow much progress has been made, especially here in NY [erm...]. It seems that now everyone wants to throw R***S [backwards stab at Satellite?], dress like R***RS and so on. At the same time technology has caugght up with our scene. At this point it's not as hard to play `hardcore', or to make a `hardcore' record [yeah all the leaps and bounds in 303 and 909 technology in the past year]. It is hard to live a `hardcore' life the way our circle of friends do [i have no clue what the fuck he means. if he means he has speaker stacks in his apartment pumpin full blast techno 24 hours a day and he eats sleeps and lives with it, i guess thats pretty muthafukkin hahdkoah. if he didnt put all these hardcores in quotes i would think he really was sincere]. When Under One Sky came out at this time last year, there were no guidelines and look how far it went. The same goes for the parties which were set up just so we could get away from the typical "HOT 97" dance party [ahem Frankie what is the Thunderground practically now]. And if Adam X wasn't a techno junkie [sic], the music in NY, [sic] would have suffered greatly [i guess this is his way of saying: Adam X runs Groove. i just do accounting]. Groove always stays weeks ahead [i hear muzak and a pleasant female voice] of the music and with each new sound that enters the techno arena, you can be sure that we had it first. There has been a lot of talk about how we don't like `brakbeats' and how the Sept 19 Storm R*** was too hard with no change in style. Moby's comments in the last U1s said `the energy was great BUT... `hardcore techno is great BUT'...OK OK Moby's comments were great `BUT' looking at the flyer from the night, I myself [of course] wrote `Storm will be throwing the deepest, most HARDCORE [yknowthmuthafukkinskore] R*** ever in NY' [which i might add i enjoyed]. That's what we set out to do and did it! Do you remember at 7.30 am when I puton Rotterdam's Euromasters the sea of hands in unity, the tears in some of our eyes? [*snif*] That was then--never again. Rotterdam Records has become so commercial since we broke it, I won't ever play those records again [this is such utter bollocks and hell Rotterdam shit is so fun]. As for the scene itself, I don't know what 93 will hold because it's a lot different then when we started. I laugh at flyers that look like a Port Authority bus map, that say `underground' or `warehouse' and wind up somewhere `you could bring your parents' [these comments are so removed from reality they aint funny]. At this rate, we might just end Storm in 93 because this is not what it is about. At any rate, all of the original Brooklyn Storm Troopers, U1S, Adam, Jimmy & myself will continue to operate in a subterranean world way underground as that is our commitment to the cause!! [as in they're taking the year off? what the fuck kind of bullshit is this to spew in asocalled undergound pub. which of course is Frankies mouthpiece] NO SELLOUTS.................FRANKIE BONES" that is the grand rapists words. --Mr.SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 07:54:28 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Happy New Year!! .. Happy New Year to all our friends on the east coast from me, ccat@netcom,com and Nutrient Cafe Wholesale! Good luck on a evolutionary and non-commercial future for the raving family! Rave On!! chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: FAQ: Moby FAQ and discography at cs.uwp.edu Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 12:17:09 EST I posted the latest version of the Moby FAQ and Discography to cs.uwp.edu, in the directory pub/incoming/discog. It will probably be moved to pub/music/discog/m shortly. Those without FTP access can email me for a copy. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Call for Sounds From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 12:37:00 EST I thought this may interest some of the folks producing music out there: Newsgroups: rec.music.funky From: lm011@aix370.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Alexander Tuchacek) Subject: VRship info Reply-To: lm011@aix370.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Alexander Tuchacek) Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:51:52 GMT KNOWBOTIC RESEARCH - HAMBURG VR PROJECT Thank you very much for your interest. Here is the information you requested: An interactive, walk-in, data base will be installed in two of the cargo holds (originally used as freezer rooms), on the freight ship Cap San Diego, in Hamburg harbour. The first cargo hold, a physical walk-in room corresponds to a self- organising, artificial data room made up of sound data, which will be called up, from aroundthe world, in the form of short musical or verbal sound statements.Visitor will navigate through the physical room with the aid of anultrasonic room sensor and an artificial eye, (a small mon- itor receiving orientation information via radio waves which is placed in front of one eye). The sensor and private eye allows the visitor to be informed about, and interact, with the virtual room. As a virtual visitor you are integrated into a computer system, which rebuilds rules of a self-organising complex organism (a model by Prigogine). From the characteristics of the sound statements, these rules build an interactive system similar to a cultural community and influence the behaviour of the carriers of musical and verbal data (the agents). The visitor can make contact with these 'agents' as he navigates through the room, and can activate their sound information, producing a real-time concert in the physical room. The resulting virtual reality, with constantly changing new structures of agent groups, can be observed at all times from the control room (the second cargo hold). Information about progress in the virtual room is displayed via a large video projection. Further monitors inform the visitor about the arrival and geographic origin of the sounds in the data bank, the state and developments in the real, and artistic sound room, and describe the use of the ultrasonic sensor and the artificial eye display. How to send sound files to KR+cF: Please send your sound files in AIFF format (audio interchange file format, see Inside Macintosh, Volume VI", chapter 22: p. 22-33). We can also read next and wave formats. You may send standard audio tapes or DAT tapes with your recording as well. The sample should be a sound statement and express your personal attitude towards the world. What we need is musical material, verbal sound or noise, which can be collected in and help to create our virtual space. Your sound sample should be in mono and about 6 seconds. It might be a good idea to use your name and country as a file name, e.g. mike_mueller_germany.aiff. Let us know if anything is not clear. This is your chance to be part of a unique virtual enviroment, which will be explored by many visitors during the duration of the exhibition. We look forward receiving your statements and incorporating your contribution into the virtual room Please send it as soon as possible. Specific information on how to send us your details: Parameters (preferred: 8 bit, 32 kHz): length: max. 6 seconds resolution: 8, 12 or 16 bit sample rate: 22, 32 or 44.1 kHz sound type: mono Sending your file (e.g. mike_mueller_germany.aiff): via UNIX mail (INTERNET) type the following at the UNIX prompt: uuencode mike_mueller_germany.aiff mike_mueller_germany.aiff | \ mail krcf_snd@khm.uni-koeln.de via anonymous ftp type the following at the UNIX prompt: ftp obelix.khm.uni-koeln.de anonymous /* enter anonymous as login name */ your_name /* enter your name as password */ bin /* switch to binary transfer mode */ send mike_mueller_germany.aiff via COMPUSERVE (e.g. on Apple Macintosh): use the program BinHex or STUFFIT to translate the binary sound file into ASCII code. your file must be less than 560 KByte which can be achieved by using the preferred parameters of 8 bit resolution and 32 kHz sample rate. In COMPUSERVE enter the following commands: go mail 3 (upload a message) 2 (select a protocol) 1 (e.g. XMODEM/protocol) 1 (ASCII transfer type) mike_mueller_germany.aiff.ascii (file name) 1 (send) >INTERNET:krcf_snd@khm.uni-koeln.de aiff file (subject) aiff file (subject) your_name (your name) If you send us a standard audio tape or dat, please post it to: Knowbotic Research Weyerstrasse 49 5000 Cologne 1 Germany We will send your material back. Thank you for your support. Christian Huebler [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kesma@e5.ijs.si (Vladimir Neskovic) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:59:38 +0100 Subject: audio files Does anyone knows some ftp-site where I can find an rave audio(.au) files for SPARC stations.Send it(ftp add.) to kesma@e5.ijs.si. Thanks.Kesma. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:51:50 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: ack! Bones' ego is attacking me...HELP!!!! from the Ultra World III flier... U l t r a w o r l d ] I [ T H E B R A I N W A V E deep underground 410.563.7880 friday january 8 New York Baltimore Frankfurt Philadelphia Washington D J s Dante Onionz Micro DJ Sun Neuromancer Jason Jinx Wink Wash Who OPM Scott Henry Frankie Hartung $12 In Advance Only Tickets On Sale At Modern Music MusicNow 410.523.1882 202.638.1213 Gyrobix Nuclear Kiss Neuro-Energy Syncro-Energize and remember kids...the next day is liquid holiday...join the ne-raves @my place...e-me for specifics (endless plugs) -d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: ... Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 16:15:02 EST Beyond the ultraworld of kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu: > > i guess i wasnt clear as a bell on why it was busted... > it was a SCAM, SETUP. > this was a "bust" quote marks in neon. Frankie Muthafukka waz > even spinning when it happened. Another word on Frankie Bones: there has been some events at Metropolis (sadly this is the biggest club in Canada and it's used for lame dance music) where he dj'ed and was wondering how come a DJ like that can become such a big name. There are lots of DJ in Montreal (and the south-shore) who are several times better than him ( De La Gauthier, Martin Rene De Cotret, Pat Deegroovy, Mario Tremblay etc...).Is he really one of the best in New-York? (And i tought NY had the best DJs...) > they just wanted to make a second $20 off of us Events are more and more 20$/head around here (Panic on the 31st), but we keep getting lame DJs from NYC, so i think it's more and more a ripoff. I only go to 10$ or less events now (unless i get an invite). BTW i say from NYC but it could also be bullshit. Is DJ Camacho from NYC? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Raving up north Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 16:35:46 EST To be added to the montreal club scene: Mondays (starting january 18): Move your body House mondays at Hard Rock Cafe Yes i know that HRC is supposed to be rock, but it's House on mondays. Records are from Tabou disque so it should be good. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Soundblaster music making From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 17:22:26 EST I am far from an expert or even an informed amateur on techno music, but I get so many beats in my head that I'd really like to start "putting them down" somewhere. Of course I'm not about to plunk down thousands of dollars for 808's and 303's and this and that that I know nothing about. I have a computer, but of course it's the most music un-friendly computer in the world: MS-DOS. BUT I have a Soundblaster for it, a semi-decnt sound card with sampling capabilities. The only problem is software. Does anyone out there with a similar setup have any good software for making music on a Soundblaster? I've only been able to find two programs: one is called Tetra and it's irritating (they make it have 63 beats per measure for some innane reason) but most important of all it won't let me save anything; it's not even crippleware, it's just broken lousy shareware. The second is called COMPOSD (or at least that's the filename). It looks cool, but for some reason it reboots my computer every time I try to run it. I've tried it on two computers and it does the same thing. It's v1.0, so I figure it's one of those things where it only works on the authors computer. Anyway, can anyone suggest any software or even an FTP site that specializes in MS-DOS sound files? Thanks muchly... --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 17:43:47 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Techniques: tricks that work) Subject: Re: Soundblaster music making > I am far from an expert or even an informed amateur on techno > music, but I get so many beats in my head that I'd really like >to start >"putting them down" somewhere. Of course I'm not about to plunk >down thousands of dollars for 808's and 303's and this and that >that I know nothing about. I have a computer, but of course it's >the most music un-friendly computer in the world: MS-DOS. BUT >I have a Soundblaster for All of this isn't entirely true. 808's and 303's, albeit hard to find, aren't "thousands of dollars". 808's are common place, about $300-->$600 depending where you go. a 303, the ming dynasty of techno equipment, can cost anywhere from $150 to $600 depending. I paid $150 for mine. (and I bought it from someone who didn't know anything about techno, come to think of it, it had barney miller theme songs in it when it first arrived.) You've got a soundblaster, man! You can get a MIDI interface for that guy.. (approx $50) It's just a cable. the MIDI hardware is built in. In fact, if you want to be a serious geek, I can upload you the cable schematics, and you can put one together for about $15 with common parts from radio shack. If you're running windows, you can even run programs like Master Tracks Pro or Cakewalk. Forget about using your soundblaster for professional music. Everything that it produces will sound like it's coming from a tin can, and with it's 8-bit sample quality, it'll sound even worse. You could buy some good equiptment for under $500. Music doesn't have to be expensive. you just have to know where to go. Try Rogue Music in NYC, or even local classified ads in the paper. Post messages to rec.music.synth and ask for what you want. There are some sample programs available for the soundblaster on FTP at u.washington.edu and ftp.uunet.uu.edu I managed to buy a Sequential Circuits Split-8 for under $200. It makes s some of the most amazing grindy analog DEATH noises. -- John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:31:28 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: audio files There was and ftp site for ne-raves samples. I think it was shark@cse.edu, but I'm not sure if it's still there. Might try posting on fl-raves. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 15:40:46 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Biggest raves of 1992 Could people think about, and send me information on what were the biggest raves they know about that happened in 1992? It's for a project I'm working on.. Biggest ones I know of,so far... K-Rave (advance sales were 17,000, don't know the final figure..) The Gathering 5,000-8,000 (also don't know the final figure) Future (DC) 5,000 .... add your fave rave here... -Chris [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Soundblaster music making Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 18:43:25 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Techniques: tricks that work: > > >"putting them down" somewhere. Of course I'm not about to plunk > >down thousands of dollars for 808's and 303's and this and that > >that I know nothing about. I have a computer, but of course it's > >the most music un-friendly computer in the world: MS-DOS. BUT > >I have a Soundblaster for > > All of this isn't entirely true. > > 808's and 303's, albeit hard to find, aren't "thousands of dollars". > > 808's are common place, about $300-->$600 depending where you go. a 303, > the ming dynasty of techno equipment, can cost anywhere from $150 to > $600 depending. I paid $150 for mine. (and I bought it from someone who > You've got a soundblaster, man! You can get a MIDI interface for that guy.. > (approx $50) It's just a cable. the MIDI hardware is built in. > In fact, if you want to be a serious geek, I can upload you the cable > schematics, and you can put one together for about $15 with common parts from So, $500 to $1300 later he will have a bassline and a drum. You still dont have a sampler and a keyboard... So it is several thousands... Of course you can always get a GUS for 130$ (25$ more for 1 Meg of RAM) and you can play any sample + melody + drum + bassline simultaneously from the same card without any other device. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 16:30:51 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Soundblaster music making > 808's are common place, about $300-->$600 depending where you go. Or for the same price you can get a sampler, which can act a lot like an 808 or a 909, or it can play drum sounds that you sample yourself. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:29:53 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Catastrophic New Year The Catastrophic New Year's rave was huge! Approx 4000 people, not all ravers. Around 4:30 the lines to the bathrooms were gone... Great all the party dudes have gone home, and it was time to start raving. Actually we got there around 11:00 pm. Checked things out 'till midnight in the main room, and then spent the time in the chill out room for a few hours. It reminded me of a party at a finised basement of some friends parents house. Imitation wood paneling and drop ceilings. DJ Frankie Hartung spun a great house set. Tom T. followed with another house set. Defintely better than any basement party. Went out to the main area to catch the end of Scott Henry's set. I wished he would have spun later. He usually plays around 6:00 at the Catastrophic raves. It was kind of hard to enjoy his set while party dudes were spaying the ravers with beer and sparlking wine. Tom T followed Scott Henry, but I did not stay in the main room for his entire set. Jean Phillipe followed Tom T with a good tribal set. I'm not sure who followed Jean Phillipe, but I enjoy his set. Onionz came on around 7:00 and he play a fantastik set. Camper informed me he was playing Mike and Jon song. Great song guys. Eric McCormick's 12" will be out next week, so there's will be more ne-ravers represented on the turntables. Dante came on around 8:00. We left shortly in his set. It's too bad because I would have liked to hear his set and Debo's. It seem 3/4 of the best DJ's played at the end of the rave. I want to say that I admire Michael (lucid) and Shannon (shalako) for comming down solo from NYC to rave. You guys are the real rave troopers. And to Camper making the journey from Boston, I can't think of any ne-raver whose all over the east as your are. Did you end up at any of the New Year's Day raves? - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 23:07:59 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Jeno (again) One more plug for Jeno, SF's biggest rave DJ, who's playing in Boston on January 30th. I never quite grasped this guy's popularity until I read this sfraves review of his set on New Years Eve. > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 10:03:05 PST > From: geoffw%nexsys@igc.apc.org (Geoff White) > To: sfraves%nexsys@apc.org > Subject: A Gathering of Mud ( Happy New Year) [ ... lots deleted ... ] > Jeno came on. He played the best set that I've ever heard from him > (which is saying alot!) I was down front next to the turntables > watching the interaction between Jeno and his "fans". Jeno with his > tough-london-iceman-b-boy-tude, spinning relentlessly, apparently > oblivious to his surroundings, like he is doing it for his own enjoyment > (except this is the illusion, I've never seen a DJ -- rave, hip-hop or > otherwise -- read and stroke a crowd like Jeno), the young raver boys, > wearing their baseball caps like Jeno, aspiring to his greatness, > complete with their own copycat version of his attitude, hanging on his > every move, observing every tweek of his hand. One of them came > equipped with a head mount light so that he could read the titles of > the 12" (ahh, but grasshopper, Jeno covers his titles, with tape so you > can't read them, try again :). To the right a squad of adolescent girls > are dancing and squeeling and writing their numbers on pieces of paper > and trying to get Jeno to take them. Jeno ignores them and continues to > play a stellar set. I must admit, it was awsome to stand and watch this > story unfold before my eyes. Music-wise, Jeno's set consists of funky trancy techno-ish stuff, all between 120 and 130 bpm. Some of the stuff he plays has heavy acid jazz influences, but all of it is way too trancy/techno to really be considered acid jazz. The staples of Jeno's current set are: The Infinite Wheel: "Lake of Dreams" Nation 12: "Hear the Drummer Get Wicked" Outdance: "Pump the Jumpin'" TC 1992: "Funky Guitar" 2 Guys on Acid: "House Music All Night Long" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 3-JAN-1993 13:24:26.85 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: RE: Frankie Muthafukka (john's mis-posting) Received: from SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU by EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU (PMDF #12650) id <01GT1UITSE8G8Y5LO1@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU>; Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:16 EST Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA20557; Sat, 2 Jan 93 17:16:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 17:16:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Walls impede my progress.) Subject: Re: Frankie Muthafukka Speaks: UOS garbage #8 To: kzimmerman@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Message-id: <9301022216.AA20557@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Kreig Wrote, quoting from under one STORM: > >At this rate, we might just end Storm in 93 because this is not >what It is about. At any rate, all of the original Brooklyn Storm >Troopers, U1S, Adam, Jimmy & myself will continue to operate in >a subterranean world way underground as that is our commitment >to the cause!! >[as in they're taking the year off? what the fuck kind of bullshit >is this to spew in asocalled undergound pub. which of course is >Frankies mouthpiece] > >"NO SELLOUTS.................FRANKIE BONES" Oh,, you forget, they're taking the year off to [most likely] tour the world on all the money that they've raped from the ravers. >When Under One Sky came out at this time last year, there were no >guidelines and look how far it went. The same goes for the parties >which were set up just so we could get away from the typical "HOT >97" dance party [ahem Frankie what is the Thunderground practically >now]. And if Adam X wasn't a techno junkie [sic], the music in NY, I agree totally, what can you say for a club that offers 99 cent jello shots, and tells you to dress trendy. So much for a "club just for the raverzzzzzzzzzzz [insert brooklyn drawl here]" >[sic] would have suffered greatly [i guess this is his way of saying: >Adam X runs Groove. I just do accounting]. Groove always stays weeks >ahead [i hear muzak and a pleasant female voice] of the music and Maybe you were expecting heather sellout heather? (okay, she's a nice girl, BUT) [awwwwwwwwwwwyeaaaaaaaah] >with each new sound that enters the techno arena, you can be sure >that we had it first. There has been a lot of talk about how we >don't like `brakbeats' and how the Sept 19 Storm R*** was too hard >with no change in style. Everyone had warning that it was going to be 100% hardcore. They didn't have to go. Breakbeats, in the eyes of myself, and the Storm _cartel_ are boring and useless. How many times can I hear the same loops from the "SUPER SAMPLE DANCE CD" ? God, they're a mere $100 a pop through your local keyboard magazine. Maybe if dance sample CD's were cheaper, the uncreative breakbeat producers would buy more loop CD's... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 13:35:26 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: NYC New Year's I guess I beat the system this time! I was debating whether to shell out $20 for this rave, but my friend and I decided it was too much, so we went to Times Sq. instead. At about 1:30, we swung down to CBGB's and saw three or four ravers standing there, low and behold the rave had been busted 10 minutes ago. In half an hour three or four became more than a thousand. It was quite a site. Anyway, since no one else mentioned this, Mello Mello said that because of the bust, Nasa will be free next Friday. Nasa has been pretty much dying lately (I heard only 50 people showed up one night), but how can you go wrong for free! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 13:54:18 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: RE: Frankie Muthafukka (john's mis-posting) do my eyes deceive me??!?!?! Breakbeats are boring and useless? I can understand if you just say that you dislike breakbeats, but you can't tell me that they are boring as compared to hardcore, which is just 4 bass drums notes..over and over again d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 14:07:15 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: rave prices Is it inflation or what? Arn't there any rave promoters left anymore that set up raves from their heart? Out of about 5 different rave fliers here, they are all either $12 or $15! The only group that I know whose raves aren't as pricey is the Atomic Vibe Tribe (balto). At catastrophic, this past new years, the tickets were $15 and at the door $20ouch! I heard though there was no one at the door after 12am. Do you think their plan was that all the 'real' ravers would get there late, and therefore everyone else would pay for the event? Maybe I'm wrong about how much a rave costs to put on. DJs I've heard ar about $100-$150 an hour, then there's equipment rental and permits and building rental (asuming the last two are purchaced :) ) It's not the price that bothers me, it's just why is it so much. I suppose it would be too forwards to ask for an itemized bill for a rave. d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Making music - a precision Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 14:34:01 EST I forgot to say that to make music with the GUS you'll need windows... The support in dos is not existant for now in term of music programs. Now, i wont take more of your time. If you have more questions, please direct them to the GUS digest (subscribe by email: ultrasound-request@dsd.es.com). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 15:13:18 -0500 From: Craig M. Kanarick Subject: Was I imagining things? Was I imagining things, or was camper in The Boston Globe on the first page of the Living/Arts section on Wednesday? Did anyone else see the article? I accidently threw it away before I could type it in... -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 13:35:26 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: NYC New Year's I guess I beat the system this time! I was debating whether to shell out $20 for this rave, but my friend and I decided it was too much, so we went to Times Sq. instead. At about 1:30, we swung down to CBGB's and saw three or four ravers standing there, low and behold the rave had been busted 10 minutes ago. In half an hour three or four became more than a thousand. It was quite a site. Anyway, since no one else mentioned this, Mello Mello said that because of the bust, Nasa will be free next Friday. Nasa has been pretty much dying lately (I heard only 50 people showed up one night), but how can you go wrong for free! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 3-JAN-1993 13:24:26.85 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: RE: Frankie Muthafukka (john's mis-posting) Received: from SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU by EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU (PMDF #12650) id <01GT1UITSE8G8Y5LO1@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU>; Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:16 EST Received: by silver.lcs.mit.edu id AA20557; Sat, 2 Jan 93 17:16:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 17:16:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Walls impede my progress.) Subject: Re: Frankie Muthafukka Speaks: UOS garbage #8 To: kzimmerman@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Message-id: <9301022216.AA20557@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Kreig Wrote, quoting from under one STORM: > >At this rate, we might just end Storm in 93 because this is not >what It is about. At any rate, all of the original Brooklyn Storm >Troopers, U1S, Adam, Jimmy & myself will continue to operate in >a subterranean world way underground as that is our commitment >to the cause!! >[as in they're taking the year off? what the fuck kind of bullshit >is this to spew in asocalled undergound pub. which of course is >Frankies mouthpiece] > >"NO SELLOUTS.................FRANKIE BONES" Oh,, you forget, they're taking the year off to [most likely] tour the world on all the money that they've raped from the ravers. >When Under One Sky came out at this time last year, there were no >guidelines and look how far it went. The same goes for the parties >which were set up just so we could get away from the typical "HOT >97" dance party [ahem Frankie what is the Thunderground practically >now]. And if Adam X wasn't a techno junkie [sic], the music in NY, I agree totally, what can you say for a club that offers 99 cent jello shots, and tells you to dress trendy. So much for a "club just for the raverzzzzzzzzzzz [insert brooklyn drawl here]" >[sic] would have suffered greatly [i guess this is his way of saying: >Adam X runs Groove. I just do accounting]. Groove always stays weeks >ahead [i hear muzak and a pleasant female voice] of the music and Maybe you were expecting heather sellout heather? (okay, she's a nice girl, BUT) [awwwwwwwwwwwyeaaaaaaaah] >with each new sound that enters the techno arena, you can be sure >that we had it first. There has been a lot of talk about how we >don't like `brakbeats' and how the Sept 19 Storm R*** was too hard >with no change in style. Everyone had warning that it was going to be 100% hardcore. They didn't have to go. Breakbeats, in the eyes of myself, and the Storm _cartel_ are boring and useless. How many times can I hear the same loops from the "SUPER SAMPLE DANCE CD" ? God, they're a mere $100 a pop through your local keyboard magazine. Maybe if dance sample CD's were cheaper, the uncreative breakbeat producers would buy more loop CD's... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 17:28:40 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Fifty-Fifty chance) Subject: RE: Frankie Muthafukka (john's mis-posting) DD>do my eyes deceive me??!?!?! Breakbeats are boring and useless? DD> I can understand if you just say that you dislike breakbeats, DD>but you can't tell me that they are boring as compared to hardcore, DD>which is just 4 bass drums notes..over and over again Let me rephrase what I said... the _SAME_ breakbeats are boring and useless. You can sit at a synth and write _NEW_ ones. But producers refuse to do this. they even refuse to buy new Cd's / beat records with new breakbeats on them. Instead, the same loops get used over and over again (see:James Brown,Funky drummer loop) Hardcore is defined by the 4/4 beat, and what you put on it makes the song. It's easy to make bad techno, just as easy as it is to make bad hardcore/ breakbeat/whatever. Good techno is hard. Originality is an art, and difficult to achieve when the temptations of easy-to-loop-loops and cheezeball synth bass lines are everpresent. -- john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 03 Jan 1993 19:26:27 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: N E B U L A N E B U L A - Saturday, 9 January 1993 DJs Include: Mr. Kleen (NASA) Scott Richmond (Poughkeepsie) Spy (Disintegrator) Stephan (Rockland) $5 - 11:00 pm Located in the Poughkeepsie area.. Call: 914/255-8517 212/465-3299 For information and directions.. (I don't know how this will go over, but for $5 it shouldn't be too bad.. Especially after going to NASA for free on Friday.. Heheheh..) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 16:44:22 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Option magazine article on raves The latest issue of Option magazine has a rather large article on raves - if I find some time I may be tempted to type it in... They talk about a big rave happening on a beach just north of Santa Cruz in August... gee, I wonder which one THAT could have been :) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 03 Jan 1993 21:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: NOVA/oracle wowowowowowowowowowowowow. what a brillian, blissful way to start 1993. the oracle rave in providence was, honestly, my favorite rave to date. wowowowoowowowowowowow. (the week- end of LIFE as a whole still beat this.. but as a rave, by itself, it was my favorite). a couple of friends and i drove to providence in intense fog.. i think it was actually some sort of fog SOLIDS, it was sooooo thick.. and terrible driving.. but, we had fun... when we got into providence we were immediately set back by the wonderful providence city road layout... we were supposed to be at Luna records by 9 to buy tickets.. we didn't find the place (after many circles in the city) until 9:45.. fortunately, manny, the guy who put on the rave, was standing outside Luna selling tickets and maps...we got the stuff.. had some big PHAT yummy sandwiches, and headed off to the rave.. which, was TOTALLY easy to get to from providence... my friends and i were really happy.. and in good moods, and we were excited for the rave... when we got there.. and found out that it was at a boys/girls club, with many police and "townie" looking folks.. we thought that it would either be REALLY commercial or REALLY good.. and, might i say, the latter was the case. without going into stupid details, like i've been doing...i'll synopsize... the space was CLEAN and BIG.. the sound was OK.. but not too bothersome.. nice lights and graphiks.. friendly people.. cheap smart bar (good too!) it was a small crowd, 500 at the most i'd say.. and an incredible vibe...very happy and lovey... the 'no smoking' rule was HEAVENLY. (why don't people do this more....) and really made it much more pleasurable to hang around.. john and laura and danato were there.. oshin spun a mindblowing trance set on 3 tables...he started his set with some 15 minute ambient, swirling, noise piece...about 5 minutes into that, i was gone... so long taylor!... trancebliss had set in...and i didn't surface until oshin finished... ("it's a fine day" mixed with "halcyon" was really cool) age of love a BUNCH of balloons were dropped from the ceiling at the beep of midnight.l. lots of smiles and hugs and happiness.. overall...great great great vibe....trance...happiness.. cleanliness.. cozyness.. a very positive start for the new year. i'm looking forward to more oracle raves. and more oshin sets. and of course.. more AGE OF LOVE. beep! hope your new years and xmas's were fun and happy! peace and love to all. >>taylor.square.wave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:35:07 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: ne-raves posse in '93!!!!! New Years Catastrophic: Being a bit ill, I wasn't going to go...a few UMDers dropped by my place ahead of time, and patiently listened to me as I tried to learn some very basic mixing skills in prep for EveCon X Catalyst party. Around 2:30 AM or so I figured I'd drop by the rave, but take it easy. I didn't know exactly where it was, but it sure wasn't hard to find. Most industrial parks don't have thousands of kids running around with beers and police cars and taxis at 2:30 AM. When I got there, I got this very evil feeling from everything...I think I just came in unprepared for violent hardcore, a fight broke out in front of my face and I got whacked in the forehead, and the stench of pot and beer and nicotine tore at my nose. But later I found the UMD HeNe dancers, and later inhuman, and the music got a little breakier and things felt a bit better. I also ran into two happy women who wished me a happy new year, so I grabbed them and we started an impromptu chorus line to the thumping beat. Anyway, I was fairly ill, so I didn't hang too long, and bought a silly hat since I don't have one and felt a bit guilty about not having to pay to get in... One thing I can say, Eon needs to do "I must not Beer...Beer is the mindkiller!" So friday I somehow managed to spin the combined CDs of the UM RaveCoalition well enough at EveCon X to get a roomfull of fandomites dancing for two hours, which is actually quite a feat. People who like the Unity and spiritual aspects of raves should look into fandom and the sci-fi/fantasy convention scene. It's a giant hugathon punctuated by parties and costumes and live-action role playing games and silly movies. Arisia should be coming up in Boston the weekend after next, and should be quite cool. Anyway, now that I've actually worked with a real sound system and mixer (crossfade? preview? wow!) I'm psyched to do some serious microraving at UMD, and by pooling our CD resources we've come up with quite a cache of tunes. Heh, avoid unneccessary comercialism, MicroRave tonight! -Thomas resident technoshaman (Thanks to Nina and the other members of the Cybertribe who stopped by Catalyst!) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 4 Jan 93 09:24:51 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Re: Soundblaster music making > > So, $500 to $1300 later he will have a bassline and a drum. You still dont have > a sampler and a keyboard... So it is several thousands... Of course you can > always get a GUS for 130$ (25$ more for 1 Meg of RAM) and you can play any > sample + melody + drum + bassline simultaneously from the same card without > any other device. > > Francois Dion Bon joir, Francois. Tell me (anybody) more about this 'GUS'. What is it and what does it do, etc... Thanx. -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 09:58 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: NYC DJs Francois wrote: ' >Another word on Frankie Bones: there has been some events at Metropolis >(sadly this is the biggest club in Canada and it's used for lame dance music) >where he dj'ed and was wondering how come a DJ like that can become such a >big name. There are lots of DJ in Montreal (and the south-shore) who are >several times better than him ( De La Gauthier, Martin Rene De Cotret, >Pat Deegroovy, Mario Tremblay etc...).Is he really one of the best in New-York? >(And i tought NY had the best DJs...) New York has some GREAT DJs. Frankie Bones can be brilliant when he wants to be. The real problem with Frankie is that his HUGE EGO likes to tell everyone he is the best DJ on the East Coast, which is a statement I don't agree with. Frankie got his start spinning house, and had a good reputation for it. Every so often he'll spin a funky house set at a rave, and it is MUCH better than the hardcore mush he puts out (if you want a great hardcore DJ, try Lenny D). I've heard Frankie spin about 9 times, and the best of the lot was at SPUTNIK I, where he appeared at 5.30 am with some great house music and revitalized the crowd after 6 straight hours of hardcore (I like hardcore, but not for 6 hours straight). Other times I've heard Frankie he's pretty much melted into the rest of the night (better than some, like Art Vader, worse than others, like his little brother Jimmy Crash). There are some AMAZING New York DJs, I don't know who all has made it up to Montreal, but you can certainly do better than Frankie. My NYC favorites are Dante for trance and other oddities, and Lenny D for hardcore. Onionz is good for a mixture of non-hardcore stuff, and Dave Trance can be amazing at times, too. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 4 Jan 93 11:45:48 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: GUS > Bon joir, Francois. Tell me (anybody) more about this 'GUS'. What is it > and what does it do, etc... Thanx. > > -- > David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] > Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 > Development Services <> > Case Western Reserve University. Golden Boy has a name! Wow! Well, pending Francois' reply, I can tell you a little bit about the GUS. While "SoundBlaster" is a household word now synonymous with getting neat-o sounds out of a PC, it will soon be replaced by "GUS", or Gravis UltraSound. The Ultrasound is a soundcard for PC's which, instead of crappy FM synthesis a la Yamaha DX-series chips like you get in a SoundBlaster, uses wavetable synthesis, which basically means using real samples in place of sine/square/ whatever waves generated by FM oscillators. As I understand it, a typical patch on the GUS is made up of several samples of an instrument at different notes. There is an attack portion of the sample which is only played once, and a sustain portion which is looped as long as needed. The release is handled by decreasing the volume of the sustain, and I'm not sure about decay. Francois probably has a better understanding of *how* it all works. Anyway, I have a GUS and boy is it nice! It only cost $135 mail order. It is like having an EPS 16+ sampler. So far all I've done with it is sample a couple of breakbeats as straight .snd files (straight sound files, not patches). It is a very new product, only out for a couple of months. Hence there is not a whole lot of software out for it right now. They are supposed to release the MIDI interface box for it this month, as well as a daughterboard which will upgrade it to 16-bit recording capability. Right now it can do 8-bit stereo 44.1KHz recording and 16-bit playback. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient ------------ End of Forwarded Message -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: ... (fwd) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 10:09:07 MST > I wonder why the peo{le who are organizing these raves don't secure > a space ahead of time, and then MAKE SURE the fire marshall doesn't > shut 'em down, by verifying the safety of the space long before the > shit even happens.. Ho ho ho ho. I can tell you that only one of the spaces I've used was even close to meeting fire spec, but once it was filled past capacity it no longer met that condition. Some friends of mine opened a shop and the building inspector wouldn't allow them to open until they had painted their bathroom (a small closet). Geesh. > It just requires some planning.. It's probably worth the extra time > to ensure that the rave doesn't get shut down, and that people don't > lose money.. > This has happened MANY times.. Several Storm raves, Revelation, this > New Year's thing.. Down down down, the underground? We threw a house party for New Years. 200 people got in, 100 people got turned away. The house wouldn't take anymore people. There were concert-like crowd movements in the damn kitchen. Beyond that point, we cardboarded and black-plasticked all the doors and windows. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Myself and the two guys who I do this with discussed leasing a coliseum, advertising our butts off, and raking in the sheep for New Years. We decided a house party would be more fun. So we handed out 90 invitations and asked for donations at the door. We lost about $40 on the night, but people were deliriously happy as they left that steam soaked house. Happy New Year's everyone. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: GUS Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 12:55:27 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Mike Brown forwarded by CYBRID: > > The Ultrasound is a soundcard for PC's which, instead of crappy FM synthesis > a la Yamaha DX-series chips like you get in a SoundBlaster, uses wavetable FM synthesis can be nice for techno, but only in the DX implementation: 6 ops. 2 or 4 operators are not enough to produce something interesting (like on SB). > synthesis, which basically means using real samples in place of sine/square/ > whatever waves generated by FM oscillators. On the GUS the sine/square/sawtooth waveforms are replaced by samples, so you could also put sampled (with an ADC or mathematically) sine/square/sawtooth waveforms on the GUS and modify it with AM (tremolo) or FM (vibrato). You also have individual panning on all 32 channels (32 stereo channels), LFO, enveloppe and individual volume, sampled or envelopped attack and release etc... So it's the reason why this implementation of waveform is particularly powerfull: it can emulate practically everything (with the proper sample). Of course you dont have an effect processor but you can do echo, reverb, distortion, flanger, pingpong etc, pretty easily (use more than 1 channel with the same sample...). > As I understand it, a typical > patch on the GUS is made up of several samples of an instrument at different > notes. There is an attack portion of the sample which is only played once, > and a sustain portion which is looped as long as needed. The release is > handled by decreasing the volume of the sustain, and I'm not sure about > decay. Francois probably has a better understanding of *how* it all works. Well i dont know what happens inside the ICS chip (an Ensoniq DOC II chip), but it is correct. The attack and release can be sampled or envelopped on top of that (plus all the things i said 2 paragraphs before). Another thing: the card can also play several patches (instruments) and simultaneously play some audio files (.snd, .wav, .aiff etc.) up to 32 channels (or what the IBM-PC bus can handle). Typically, you can play 4 digital audio channels and 28 instruments. More digital audio is difficult because of the huge transfer rate needed, which is not required by the instruments (32 intrument channels take less bandwidth than 1 stereo audio channel). Again, for a deeper discussion, join the GUS mailing list. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: new york, a rave and another rave Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 13:08:42 EST From: David Mann > here is how the night in New York went for me, > . > We were going to the New York New Years Rave. we got to the map point > where they were supposed to give out tickets and directions at 11:30PM. Don't feel bad, i got suckered too (haha)... I went to the map point at around 10:30 and then started wandering around the area a little. Finally at about 11:00 I heard someone screaming 'this way' and heard some whistles blowing (they come in handy off the dance floor too) and started heading in the direction and found the line. Turns out i was one of the first people in. I wandered around (no music playing at all) and watched the MacGuyver Lighter (guy doing lights in the house room, had lots of paper plates with slits and holes cut in them and a bunch of surpplus overheads, pretty neet effects tho). Wandered around more and more, more people, finally some music in the chill out area. I went back to the house room and some great music started up (who was that DJ anyway?) but noone was in there except for me (seems they were keeping everyone in the chillout area because they weren't finished setting up yet). Anyway once things started getting off the ground i mainly stayed in the house room. Mixed feelings about whether it was a scam or not. At 1:00 some guy practically tripped over me carrying a set of those super strobe lights, and then came back with a few intellabeams & a controller. If they were really scamming they wouldn't have bothered (or maybe they were just late getting there). Who knows, i still feel cheated (my vacation in the area is almost over and I was hoping to attend a few decent raves before heading home). After the music stopped word got back to us that it was busted and people were being kicked out. I stayed in the back for a long time listening to a group of girls sing soulful songs. After about an hour I got up and headed out. (Lack of sleep + impending deadlines + work - lame excuses - i know but i was dead by that time...) > there went crazy, While dancing there on the streetcorner a ne-rave badge > caught my eye, I went over and it was MARS! then EVAN! the tapes were mixed I was wearing mine and was looking for others but didn't see any, oh well, maybe this summer (i head back from NYC to school in NC on Friday but I might be making a stop for a Liquid Holiday)... Flavor Dave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 14:32 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: DJ's in New Haven at BAR This just came in from Eric Freeman at Yale. It sounds like the New York scene is toppling under its own weight, so now everyone can get good techno closer to home without having to pay $15 for the likes of the Limelight. Eric wrote to me: >Here are the DJs playing at BAR over the next month. The scene at BAR is >starting to get good even though its only a club. The hartford ravers >have been there recently and the vibes good. > >Take care, > >Eric > >Jan 9 Damon Wild [from Underground Resistance, right?] >Jan 16 Guy D.M.C. >Jan 23 James Christian [from Long Island / Caffeine] >Jan 30 Overload [from the Sky High raves in Portland, Maine] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 15:27:32 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: new magazine: fuzzy logic Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 15:27:29 EST Hi Cybertribe, I don't think Under One Sky(or any other magazine) is doing the right thing and I want to go in a different direction. I am starting a new magazine called Fuzzy Logic. It is a no compromise full-on DIY(do it yourself) scene tool kit. It is a non-profit project, any profits will be given to charity. Stats of income will be posted in the magazine, how much money when out to writers, how much production cost, and what was donated each month. (thanks to Consolidated for the idea, on their 91 tour they posted how much it cost to have shirts made and what their profit was at $10 per shirt, i really respected that.) The most issue today in the rave scene is fighting greed. We are getting raped by pr omoters, clothing manufacturers and record companies. You don't need them to be a raver. No more will I buy a $20 shirt, go to a $20 rave or buy a $20 import. Fuck'em. If we refuse to be explo ited, there is nothing they can do except lower prices and increase quality. And if they don't we will just organize tape exchange networks, go to inexpensive micro-raves and make our own shirts and sell them for a few dollars above cost to our friends. Fuzzy logic will be dedicated to keeping the scene defined by ravers rather than greedy people that see this as a chance to exploit us. Its editorial slant will be do-it-yourself technology type stuff. How to set-up a non-profit organization, get t-shirts printed, throw your own rave, avoiding busts, set up a bulletin board or voice-mail system and how to build your own light effects. It will also have typical magazine stuff; art, reviews, scene reports and intervi ews with dj's and promoters that are a positive influence on the scene. My goal is a circulation of 10,000 for the first issue. I need your help. I need volunteers to submit stuff(art, reviews, scene reports, clipped articles on the scene from other media sources and interviews) to me on a regular basis. You will recieve full credit and financial compensation when possible. I need people to go out and get it distributed at raves and record stores and people to get ads (it must be done, anyone who brings me an advertiser will get 15% what that advertiser spends in the magazine). My goal is a premier issue by April first. Final layout and production will occur on the last weekend of every month, so anyone with mac experience who wants to help will receive paid transport up to $50(bus)(4 people max) and a place to stay and food in nyc when we do this. if it is succesfull i'd like it(fuzzy logic) to expand to a cable access show, a promotion company to do non-profit raves and a non-profit record label th at sells inexpensive full length techno cd's $7 (printed on the label). Don't feed the greed! If everyone gives more than they take, it could be a wonderful scene. So who's willing to help? chuck revar@aol.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 4 Jan 93 16:33:59 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Welcome Home Suprise Okay, so this has nothing to with, er...um...ahh...oh yeah, R****. It's like a forbidden word now. Anyway, this is mainly aimed at the women.net.ravers out there. My girlfriend is in D.C. for the next 2.6 weeks (which hopefully I'll be able to travel to at the same time as the Jan. 9th rave ;-)) and I want to plan something really romantic and nice for her when she comes back. That's right, Golden Boy is a hopeless romantic at heart. And if anybody has a problem with it, I'm also a junior neural surgeon, with my own tools :) Get it ? >=) But, if any of you guy.ravers have any novel (not erotic :)) ideas, or have done something similiar, drop ole Golden Boy an e-line. Hey so flame me, shit, but you guys/girls are my pals and I value your ideas/opinions. And I'm sorry about tying up vital cyberspace. *NOT* :) -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:05:49 CST From: tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tom Fischer) Subject: Lurking in NYC? Ok, ne-ravers, I live near Chicago and have been lurking on this mailing list for a few months, enjoying everyone's thoughts, opinions, etc, on this phenomenon you've helped to create called rave. After having heard about all of the great raves that are going on east of me, I was kinda getting excited at the chance of actually experiencing a nice, big, good-vibes rave in the New York City area, as I'm going to be in NYC from January 7 - 11. Anxiously, I awaited for the latest Rave-O-Matic from Laura, and much to my dismay, there doesn't look like there's going to be anything going on while I'm in town. So, anyone, where do I go and hang out while in New York? I'm bringing my 20 yr. old girl friend with me- so we have to work with her 'underage' age if any of you can suggest a decent bar scene (forgive me if I've just made some kind of oxymoronic statement with "decent bar scene"). By the way, I've chosen a hotel at random- and made reservations at the Paramount, on 46th and B'way, I think. Does anyone know anything about this place? Should I make reservations elsewhere? Any help is appreciated! thanks, tom tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Liquid Holiday Hey people...welcome back!!! I was just wondering...anyone planning to go to liquid Holiday on Saturday? I'm thinking about going if I can scrape some money together. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Fluid (brit@brahms.udel.edu) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:39:08 -0500 From: Abbe Don Subject: Re: Lurking in NYC? The Paramount is Big Fun! Good choice! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:13:43 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Was I imagining things? > From kanarick@media.mit.edu Sun Jan 3 15:19:39 1993 > Was I imagining things, or was camper in The Boston Globe on > the first page of the Living/Arts section on Wednesday? Did First page, eh Camper?!? Not bad. I assume this was taken at Axis. Friday night a couple of weeks ago, two reporters were wondering around Axis looking to do an article on the "R***" scene. Debo sent them over to Camper to show them around. They were taking pictures all night long. They may have even made it over to the Loft. I don't remember. Anyway, Camper, when you get back, please do tell us how true the article was to your words. First day back from a week a Trippy Disney World. What a place to EXPAND YOUR MIND. Glad to be back though. ;) dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:59:20 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: RE: Frankie Muthafukka (john's mis-posting) okay, I agree with you about it's not easy to make good techno. I know from experience. I've played with MED and threw together a techno track in like 15 mins...and I wasnt' too happy with it, and I know some poeple would pass it off as single. Personally, I've overjoyed when I hear breakbeat because there's so much variation in the beat, and it's a great breat froum hardcore/trance. I don't hear the JB break as much as you do...I seem to hear a lot of great original stuff, but I guess it's where you listen to stuff. I'm just wondering if you're saying this: there is more creative hardcore being produced than creative breakbeat... digital.druid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:38:19 -0500 From: Eric Freeman Subject: Need help finding CD (Logic Trance) If anyone knows how I can get a copy of the "Logic Trance" CD (Logic Records), I'd really appreciate if you would send me email. Thanks, Eric freeman-eric@cs.yale.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Ben.Jaffe@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ben Jaffe) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 18:08:01 -0500 Subject: Liquid Holiday Jan. 9 Does anyone out there know anything about Liquid Holiday this weekend? I have a flier for a Tonka Productions Liquid Holiday that was supposed to have happened Dec. 26 in DC. Does anyone know if this ever happened? I never heard anything about it. Anyway, Inhuman and I will be there this weekend looking for for ne-ravers and the posse at d.d.'s house in Balt. Later, peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:23:16 EST From: WILL-E Subject: Re: Liquid Holiday Jan. 9 Hello! I've just returned from being in England for most of this year... I was sort of dreading coming back but... I'm very surprised that raves have really taken off here! an-E-way I'm thinking about checking out the vibe at this Liquid Holiday. I'm not really familiar with the DJ's or the scene on this side of the Atlantic so I'm wondering if the ne-raves posse can fill me in on what to expect. Also, I'm rather poor (a true raver) and I want to make sure it will be worth the ticket price and paying for a bus down, etc. An-E-one from around here driving down? I spoke to my old friend Spike la Rock at Planet X Records in New Jersey and he doesn't have any info on the busses or tickets yet. Any info would be appreciated of course... If an-E of you are going... look out for me and say hello... I'll be very spooned (hopefully!) and wearing a light blue pork-pie hat (what many Americans have already called - to my embarrassment... please get a grip America - a "Gilligan's Island hat" or a "fisherman's hat") Cheers! WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 19:05:38 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: rhythmos magazine seeks submissions The SF Bay Area has spawned a new house music magazine..Rhythmos... It seeks submissions..they will not be thrown on a bonfire at the midsummer full moon... send to:rhythmos 304 devon drive,san rafael,ca 94903 fax 415 499 3360 peace,ccat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:04:25 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: Liquid Holiday I'm planning to pass on Liquid Holiday, but go to UltraWorld. Kinda tired of the big raves right now. - Rob - [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:12:35 -0500 From: Donato Subject: superNOVA ... ok, i sent this sunday afternoon, but didn't quite make it. if it did, and this is a repeat, well, :p --------------------- what a funky rave! i LIKED the breakbeat! especially mayhem's set, and the set right after the hardcore set.. who was that DJ ? WONDERFUL breakbeat, although he was an obvious dieselBoy copycat ;) ok, so it felt like we were at a prom, but at least the scoreboard kept reminding us that we were in period "E" like taylor said, nice and small, great vibe, grEat bliss ! (and thank the gods&goddesses for donut shops open all nite in small Rhode Island towns, even on new year's.) donato go ahead, make my day, donuts :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:39:39 -0500 Subject: a DC weekend... anyone in mass going to DC this weekend... for Digital Druid's neat little get together? maybe we can get a big car/van-pool from mass going? i wanna go ! if anyone wants to go (from up here in NE/mass) let me know! groove on! donato [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:02 EST From: EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES Subject: belated catastrophic Finally net access again! Boonieville, Maryland is no fun without it. ANyhow, the rave... I have never seen so many beer cans and beer bottles in one place before. I literally had to stop dancing every other minute to kick away the trash. Horrendous! And the smoke! It was so thick that when I walked inside the place, I thought I was still outside, because I could not see the walls nor the ceiling. :( I was pleasantly surprised to see Camper there at the Big FUn House booth. I seriously did not think I would bump into anyone I knew, because there were soo many people there. I caught a glimpse of something that looked like NE RAVER, so I took a chance- nice meeting you, Inhuman. Nice shirt. Anyhow, it was an okay evening. I would have definitely liked it better had all alcohol an the cigarettes not been there. Oh, BTW, does anyone know what happened around ... 4 a.m. or so? Some guy grabbed me around the waist and then five minutes later, I see him being dragged out with a trail of blood following him. Tin a [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 05 Jan 1993 00:05:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: rising high:::techno injection i just bought the "techno injection" cd today.. so i could have Newman and Well's latest creation...and i was very happily surprised by the rest of the comp! there is a little bit of cheese here and there.. but there are about 4 amazing trance songs!!! the last song.. by IRRESISTABLE FORCE is breathtaking.. if anyone's looking for a new cd to buy.. at a domestik price... pick this one up.. it's really quite good. >>taylor.prototype.909 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 00:35:32 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: more mag stuff Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 18:50:21 EST if anyone still has the message i sent could you send a copy back to me i don't have one. And if you could forward it to other lists like alt.rave and fl-raves and sf-raves. It would be much appreciated . Cimiac offered to create a mailing list for the magazine so it wouldn't bog down ne-raves, is this necessary? should we bother? although fuzzy@blah.blah.blah could be cool. chuck revar@aol.com fuzzy logic is better than none. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 04 Jan 93 22:02:46 EST From: rYaN <74200.674@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Mixed tapes/Attn: MIDI users and DJ's I am interested in buying mixed tapes either from DJ's or people with MIDI/Keyboard/etc. type setups. Please contact me with info and a postal address if available. My postal address is: Ryan Green 3154 Benton Blvd Pace, FL 32571 thanx and peace rYaN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 04 Jan 93 21:55:44 EST From: rYaN <74200.674@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Clothing/ATTN Loop, e-ball, etc. I know a clothing store called the Psychedelic Shack here in Pensacola, FL that may be interested in selling rave clothing/t-shirts/jewelry. Please contact me if you are selling anything or know someone who is. ATTN: e-ball, Loop, etc. Please give me e-mail & postal addresses as available. Also price/quantity lists of items would be helpful. thanx and peace rYaN postal address: Ryan Green 3154 Benton Blvd Pace, FL 32571 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:19:08 PST From: "Tim Hyland" Subject: Greetings from the SF Scene Here in SF, we rung in the new year with two mongo raves -- each with over 5000 people. Definitely an auspicious first night. Hope it was as fun in the North East! Not being a subscriber to ne-raves (but a subscriber to sfraves), I'm not quite up on the scene in Boston, but I'll be visiting your lovely and cold city next week. Can someone send me some info on any raves taking place or any kewl klubs that I shouldn't miss? On my last visit I got to see the Shamen at Venus de Milo. It was great right up until they came on and then they lost all the energy, as I'm sure some of you will remember. Anyway, I digress. Any info would be great. Thanks! Share and enjoy, Tim thyland@oracle.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:57:56 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Virtual rave available to telnet to.. Brian Behlendorf's Virtual Rave is available to all telnet users..although it has been moved to another port.. telnet haas.berkeley.edu 7282 rave on!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:56:31 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Hello, Bonjour, Hola Just thought I'd take this opportunity to say hello to ravers all over the world. Have a great 1993... - Fluid (ex-Brit at the University of Delaware) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: RE: Was I imagining things? From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 9:05:52 EST > From kanarick@media.mit.edu Sun Jan 3 15:19:39 1993 > Was I imagining things, or was camper in The Boston Globe on > the first page of the Living/Arts section on Wednesday? Did First page, eh Camper?!? Not bad. I assume this was taken at Axis. Friday night a couple of weeks ago, two reporters were wondering around Axis looking to do an article on the "R***" scene. Debo sent them over to Camper to show them around. They were taking pictures all night long. They may have even made it over to the Loft. I don't remember. Anyway, Camper, when you get back, please do tell us how true the article was to your words. Hmm, was anybody else at Axis that night -- I was. Regards, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 09:56 EST From: laura@usl.com (Laura L La Gassa +1 908 522 6396) Subject: Re: Liquid Holiday Jan. 9 Rave-o-matic is coming out this afternoon. There's a flyer for the Jan. 9 Liquid Holiday in it. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:01 EST From: laura@usl.com (Laura L La Gassa +1 908 522 6396) Subject: Re: Greetings from the SF Scene The best thing (the only thing) to do in Boston is to go to the Loft (21 Stanhope St) on Friday night. It starts at midnight and goes to 6.00 am. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:41 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue jan 5) R A V E - O - M A T I C Digital Druid invites us all over to rave . . . . >Hi there guys! I wanted to go to a rave far from home this vacation, but >I noticed that ultraworld 3 and liquid holidy are on consecutive days, >during the second weekend of january. It would be kinda dumb to miss >both of these I though, and then it clicked... > >Hey, I have an empty squashcourt/row house that is at my access. >It's in baltimore, I could invite all the ne-ravers to crash there >(make all the noise they wish), and hit both the raves here for a weekend. > >So that's my invitation to all you guys. I'd really like responses >so I know if anyone will come (i know a few of you have responded already.) > >that's it - - - please come! > > ne-raves unity! > >digital.druid (gil) Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Thursday, January 7 FEVER Baltimore (410) - 837 - 9110 (410) - 880 - 1166 F E V E R -- January 7, 1992 Onionz (caffeine, new york) Scott Henry (catastrophic, citrus) Keith Miller (washington d.c.) 10pm - 4am 18 & over promotion 40K watts id required guy smiley of sound d-core jerome aviance intelligent byob chilly willy lighting nelson no glass bottles smart bar please FEVER - new every other Thursday $8 ($6 w/flyer before 11) 1310 Russell Street, Baltimore 410.837.9110 or 880.1166 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 8 ULTRAWORLD 3 (BRAINRAVE) Baltimore (410) - 563 - 7880 U l t r a w o r l d ] I [ T H E B R A I N W A V E deep underground 410.563.7880 friday january 8 New York Baltimore Frankfurt Philadelphia Washington D J s Dante Onionz Micro DJ Sun Neuromancer Jason Jinx Wink Wash Who OPM Scott Henry Frankie Hartung $12 In Advance Only Tickets On Sale At Modern Music MusicNow 410.523.1882 202.638.1213 Gyrobix Nuclear Kiss Neuro-Energy Syncro-Energize ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 8 RESURRECTION Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada ============================================================== CHSR-FM 97.9 & TranceAtlantic Productions Present: R E S U R R E C T I O N Featuring DJ BRAIN (Halifax, Nova Scotia) with DJ Nonsense and DJ MIR FRIDAY - JANUARY 8, 1993 At the University of New Brunswick, Student Union Building Cafeteria in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada ============================== Doors open 9:30 pm til 4:00 am Tickets $5.00 (students) 7.00 (non-students) ================================= Smart bar by S.M.A.R.T. P.A.C.C. ======================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 9 LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC (703) - 222 - 4499 TONKA Productions invites you to a new dimension in a third dimension L I Q U I D H O L I D A Y Saturday January 9th, 1993, 10pm-10am a tribal gathering is planned to bring out the masses for a celebration. Like robots from the mist, we'll rise to unite for a night of revelry and enlightenment to experience supernatural sound and lighting emanating through out your minds carrying you into an ecstacy of enchantment found only in your deepest dreams. Navigating The Dance Floors: LENNY DEE FRANKIE BONES Industrial Strength Brooklyn (Storm) WINK DANTE Philly Evolution ONIONZ DEBO Long Island Boston JAMES CHRISTIAN SCOTT HENRY Long Island Washington, D.C. LIEVEN DE GEYNDT BOBBLE Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe FRANKIE HARTUNG LG Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe MICHAEL MEACHAM SOUND REALITY ILLUMINATING REALITY 40,000 Watts of Booming Bass for a Loving Rave Ultimate Intellabeams LASERTAINMENT'S Emulators 20 Watt Multicolor Argon Lasers Data Flash Strobes SMART BAR & MIND MACHINES Visual Stimulations by Neuro Energy TICKET INFO: Tickets will be sold at MusicNow 202.638.3272 (D.C.) Modern Music 410.523.1882 (Balt.) $15 Starting Jan 3rd THROUGH Sat Jan 9th TONKA INFO LINE: 703.912.6767 BUS TRAVEL & INFO New Jersey - Michael Chrissi & Beth - 908.727.6527 New Jersey - Planet X Digital Deviants - 908.249.0304 Brooklyn - Groove Records - 718.714.5232 Boston - Mindwarp - 617.266.1987 Philly - Dead by Dawn - 215.552.8833 Philly - Wink - 215.292.4666 Greensboro N.C. - Spins - 919.274.8530 Raleigh N.C. - Mystere Prod. - 919.829.9719 Pittsburg - TurboZen - 412.621.7759 Baltimore - Atomic Vibe - 410.235.1131 SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERY ONE WHO HAS MADE THE UNDERGROUND A REALITY AND HAS MADE IT EVOLVE TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. LOVE & PEACE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 9 FLUID Long Island (212) - 330 - 9188 (516) - 862 - 7907 FLUID, an evening of sonic trance, a deeper vision for tomorrow Featuring the sounds of Adam X & Jimmy Crash plus James Christian and Denard. Saturday, January 9th Advance Tickets Ensure Entry 212 330-9188 516 862-7907 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 9 NEBULA Poughkeepsie (914) - 255 - 8517 (212) - 465 - 3299 N E B U L A - Saturday, 9 January 1993 DJs Include: Mr. Kleen (NASA) Scott Richmond (Poughkeepsie) Spy (Disintegrator) Stephan (Rockland) $5 - 11:00 pm Located in the Poughkeepsie area.. Call: 914/255-8517 212/465-3299 For information and directions.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 ESSENCE Long Island (516) - 547 - 6129 (617) - 266 - 1987 The Essence of Life Generation / X-Cubed / O-Tomic Productions & Simon Sez invite you to "witness the enlightenment of the Long Island underground" E S S E N C E Saturday, January 16, 1993 12am-??? L.I. Micro Onionz Dave Trance James Christian Jason Jinx D.C. Scott Henry Philly Wink Queens Dante Brooklyn Adam-X Boston Debo Cleveland Rob Sherwood New Jersey Space Ace 30,000 Watts of Shattering Sound Pulsating Planetary Pupil Pounding Visuals featuring one of the most extensive sound & light productions of any NY area event For up-to-date ticket & bus info call (516) - 547 - 6129 In Boston call (617) - 266 - 1987 Promotion: X-Cubed / O-Tomic / Kort & Greg / Mello Mello / Mindwarp Eddie van Raven / Chris Styles All tickets $12 Support the scene that has supported YOU! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 XOCHIPILLI Portland, ME Prepare for the Ritual "Xochipilli: 24 hour rave! January 16 @ 12 Noon - January 17 @ Noon Produced By A Book Called Galanta Portland, Maine (watch for info) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 DEEP Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 First we made you PURE. Together we followed the blinding truth of CRUSADE. Next we brought you SKY-HIGH. Now let us take you . . . D E E P Saturday, January 23rd 11pm til Sunrise DJs Tintin (London) Onionz (Long Island) Mayhem (Boston) 333 Mgee (London) Overload (Maine) Dale Charles (San Diego) Smart Bar, Rave Gear, & More Brilliant Lighting & Visuals by Pandemonium! 12,000 watts of sound huge warehouse location 207 - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Boston (617) - 629 - 0777 W o n d e r l a n d ' s: a gathering of the vibes January 30, 1993 10:00p - Sunrise Coming to you at the beginning of a new year, a gathering dedicated to those who know and those who are willing to learn. Let your soul be guided bt the power of a smile, the tranquility of love, and the enery of a happy crowd. Abandon the realm of reality and enter a world...one beyond that of simple imagination...WONDERLAND. DJ's on the noight providing NEW ENGLAND with a NEW SOUND for the NEW YEAR: Jeno - SanFrancisco's Finest Dante - Evolution, New York Debo - Boston Onionz - Evolution, Lay Away New York Jason Jinx - Limelight, Nasa New York Overload - Maine presale tickets $13 tickets day of $15 Available At: *The Other Side Cafe (boston) - (617)536-9477 (contact simon) *Allston Beat(boston) - (617)421-9555 *Boston Beat(boston) - (617)561-4790 *Luna Sea(providence) - (401)272-5862 *John(new york) - (909)826-8869 *Modern Music(baltimore) - (410)523-1882 *Zootz(portland) - (207)773-8187 *Bad Habits(portland) - (207)773-1310 Information and Bussing Hotline: (617)629-0777 10,000 watts of Booming Bass Strand Sound Rainbow Color and Entrancing Visuals by Pandemonium Smart Juice and Tea Party by Liquid Fusion $2 off each ticket will go directly towards Special Olympics Special Thanks To: The Entire Blue crew Evolution Lay Away Tom Casey and the Sunrise Gang Debo Nocturnal Sunshine Groover Posse Eric, Steve, Mark, Simon, Duke non-alcoholic event ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late January THE HOUSE YOU GREW UP IN Balt./DC area [from _Fission Power_, the UMD rave 'zine -- thanks Mike!!] The House You Grew Up In, brought to you by Atomic Vibe. Features John Leonardo, Scott Henry, L.G. McCannon, Bobble, and Wash. A fresh mix of 80's house style music. Call Atomic Vibe for info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 6 METAMORPHOSIS Boston Featuring a live performance by ne-raves' own TOXIC BEATBOX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 BLUE Portland, ME Blue . . . Coming to You 13 February 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:46 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Techno Club List PLEASE -- if you know the phone numbers and addresses for these places please send them to me and I will update the list. Laura laura@usl.com T H E N E - R A V E S T E C H N O C L U B L I S T Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard / 333 Court St. (off 3rd & Hamilton) 215.433.0503 Baltimore -- Thurs. Tripotronic Groove (first Thursday of every month) at Paradox / 1310 Russell St. Fever (every other Thursday) / 1310 Russell St. 410.880.1166 Fri. Club Orpheus (Citrus Club) / 1003 East Pratt St. 410.880.1166 Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) / 11 Lansdowne St. 617.421.9595 Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) / 13 Lansdowne St. 617.262.2437 The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) / 21 Stanhope St. Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Columbus -- Thurs. - Sat. 700 High Long Island -- Fri. Caffeine / 832-6 Grand Blvd. in Dix Hills 516.547.6137 Detroit -- Sat. NUDE VOOM / 2948 Woodward 313.433.2129 Montreal -- Mon. House / Hard Rock Cafe Tues. Techno-Grave / Foufounes Electriques 87 Ste-Catherine St. East Paradise Garage / 382 Mayor Wed. Bigbang / 1400 Montcalm Thurs. La Fac / Ste-Catherine and St-Hubert Fri. Kleenex / Notre-Dames in old Montreal, near St-Denis Sat. Techno-Grave / Foufounes Electriques 87 Ste-Catherine St. East Bigbang / 1400 Montcalm Saturn 6 / DAX Ste-Catherine and Sanguinet Sun. La Fac / Ste-Catherine and St-Hubert New Jersey (Union City I think) -- Wed. The Quarry / 201.947.6494 New Haven -- Sat. Bar / 254 Crown St. 203(?).495.8924 Tune Inn / 29 Center St. 203(?).865.9738 New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) 20th St. & 6th. Ave. 212.807.7850 Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") 20th St. & 6th. Ave. 212.807.7850 Thurs. Limelight (dAncE EnErgY) / 20th St. & 6th. Ave. 212.807.7850 Peace (Acid House) / 185 Thompson St. bet. Bleecker & Houston Insomniacs [Queens] / 205-20 Jamaica Ave. 718.464.3600 Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) / 157 Hudson St. 212.330.8233 Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) 20th St. & 6th. Ave. 212.807.7850 Tilt (Adrenaline) Sat. UFO / 323 West Broadway between Canal & Grand (opens 4 am) Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond 215.592.8481 Pittsburgh -- Thurs. and Sun. Metropol Providence -- Sun. Club Babyhead Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Minneapolis, MN -- Wed. First Avenue Thurs. The Parameter Sun. The Saloon Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn / 202.393.3632 Wed. Vault / 202.347.8079 Roxy / 202.296.9292 Fri. Roxy / 202.296.9292 Thurs. Tracks / 202.488.3320 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:49 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: DIGITAL DRUID Gil, I need your email address . . . Sorry to bother everyone. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 10:53:09 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: rising high:::techno injection On 05 Jan 1993 00:05:57 -0400 (EDT) you said: >i just bought the "techno injection" cd today.. so i could have Newman and >Well's latest creation...and i was very happily surprised by the rest of the >comp! Sounds like something worth picking up. If you get a chance, would you post the listing of songs on the cd? -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 05 Jan 1993 11:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: trance cds. i saw a cd yesterday from IRS records that said it was all trance. i think it was called something like "save the last trance for me". i was wondering if anyone knows about it.. and if it's any good.. or if it's HORRIBLLY commercial (the IRS label scares me into thinking that...) also, why hasn't CABARET VOLTAIRE gotten any rave play...i really think that djs still think they're an industrial band or something... if you want to hear the most mindblowing trance, pick up their new album called "plasticity". it's out of this world...they've been doing mellow, acid, housey and trancey stuff since 1990 with the "body and soul" cd. and they've become my favorite band.. (if i can say i have ONE favorite..).. i think that they're being overlooked... so, if ya can, check their stuff out.. body and soul colours plasticity (and a slew of singles) djs...PLAY THEM!!!!!! >>taylor.fightin'.to.get.my.boys.the.play.they.deserve [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: XDZebra Review #20 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 9:32:39 MST XDZebra Review #20 Addiction 266 Delmar Ct. Salt Lake City, UT 84101-1817 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational Music: FAX 805/893-8553, Phone 805/564-4949, email angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu Back issues are available. Mail me if interested. This is all my opinion. Flames against a review are pretty pointless, so don't bother. Let me know if you have any other comments though. The number next to the index is the "dance factor". 5 = high, 1 = low XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #20 Contents: Rising High Techno Injection Moodfood by Moodswings Wishdokta: Bannana Sausage Sequencial: Psychotronic - The Remixes - Eskimos & Egypt: State of Surrender EP Rising High Techno Injection Instinct: EX-245-2 1 4 06:47 The Hypnotist: Hardcore You Know The Score 2 5 05:55 Signs of Chaos: Crackerjack 3 4 05:18 Energy Zone: Tear Down The Place 4 2 07:11 Earth Leakage Trip: The Doors 5 5 06:37 A Homeboy, A Hippie & A Funki Dredd: Now is the Future 6 2 07:18 Rising High Collective: No Deeper Love 7 4 08:37 The Hypnotist: The House is Mine 8 3 07:16 Project 1: Come My Selector 9 3 05:07 Dominatrix UK: Possession 10 2 05:46 Dub Collective: House 11 1 06:46 Irresistable Force: Space is the Place Comments: Rising High presents a collection of their stronger tracks on this domestic compilation by Instinct. Hypnotist has never spun my whistle, and their tracks on here are nothing unusual. Earth Leakage Trip's track contains the most whiney annoying sample I've ever heard, it drives me up a wall, very disappointing. Wells & Newman give us another alias with Signs of Chaos and a really good track as well, more in the GTO style than Church of Extacy. Finally, the original version of Irresistable Force's "Space is the Place" makes the "Cosmic Mix" on GPAD2 seem like an afterthought. "Space" is trance at its best. Summary: 7/10. Domestically priced, but more than a few weak tracks. Moodfood by Moodswings Arista/BMG: 07822-18619-2 1 4 06:21 Throw Off the Shackles 2 3 05:52 Moodswings Overture 3 4 08:14 Problem Solved 4 2 06:08 Skinthieves 5 2 06:30 Rainsong 6 5 03:51 100% Total Success 7 3 04:24 Microcosmic 8 3 05:13 Spiritual High (Part I) 9 2 04:57 Spiritual High (State of Independence) 10 2 05:14 Spiritual High (Part III) 11 1 07:30 Thailand 12 1 08:35 Hairy Piano Comments: Pink Floyd does Orb? Not really, but this album brings in names like Jeff Beck, Chrissie Hynde, Johnny Marr, and Vangelis to attempt a richly produced ambient album. It does work, wonderfully well. Beautiful piano is present in "Problem Solved" and of course "Hairy Piano". Even though Vangelis worked only on the "Spiritual High" trilogy, his style lingers like a ghost throughout the album. Hynde does wonderful vocal work on "State of Independence" as well as Linda Muriel on "Rainsong". The gospel choir sample is also effective, but alas there is only one. Jeff Beck's work on "Skinthieves" leaves me hungry for the Hillage riffs on System 7, Beck doesn't quite fit in here. Last, the drum work is complete yawn. Nothing unusual and rather repetitive. Summary: 8/10. Beautiful but flawed. Tracking on the CD is poorly done. Wishdokta: Bannana Sausage Slip n' Slide/Kickin: KICK 11 CD 1 4 05:15 Bannana Sausage (Original Mix) 2 3 05:44 Acidic Re-vamp (Hardnut Mix) 3 3 05:30 Live in Hamburg (Passion Fruit Mix) 4 4 04:47 Bannana Sausage (Mysterious Munch Mix) 5 4 05:12 Basepeal (Raggananna Mix) Comments: Formulaic house of little worth. "Munch" and "Raggananna" almost save things, but not quite. The rest of the remixes are just variations on a theme. To make things worse, the "Acidic Re-vamp" contains airhorns and crowd sounds, but no acid. Summary: 3/10. Not good, especially as an import. Buy some Skin Up instead. Sequencial: Psychotronic - The Remixes - Play it Again Sam/Who's That Beat?: WHOS 68 R CD 1 01:18 Horror Mix 1 2 5 05:15 LA Riot Satisfy Your Lust For Destruction Mix 3 01:28 Horror Mix 2 4 4 04:35 Groove Mix 5 4 01:47 Another Sick Joke Comments: I believe this came out before Prodigy's "Fire", but it doesn't matter, despite the use of the same Arthur Brown sample, I like this version better. Acid out the yang with sliding whistles, wailing sirens, and plenty of 303 and 808, Sequencial makes good. Despite the standard acid house ideas, they manage to maintain a sort of originality. "Another Sick Joke" is a must hear and is definitely going to start up or close off a few of my sets in the future. Summary: 8/10. The "Horror Mix"es are a bit puzzling, since they are almost identical, but other than that, this is a nice single. Eskimos & Egypt: State of Surrender EP One Little Indian: EEF 95 CD 1 3 03:48 State of Surrender (Original 7") 2 3 04:41 Dub Mellow 3 4 05:04 SOSO303 4 3 04:06 Pro-Gress Four Vox 7" 5 4 05:55 The Butcher 6 4 05:34 Dub Metal 7 4 04:58 Eurodobulous Comments: Something has to be wrong when thrash guitars put me to sleep, but that is definitely what happened while listening to the remixes of this single. To start with "State of Surrender" is not good to begin with, dopey vocals and syrupy voices. The main problem is that E&E can't keep it up past 30 seconds. Within that time, you get the entire gist of the track, then it just repeats what you've already heard. "Eurodobulous" is the best thing on the disc, but its sound definitely stems from older Europop. Summary: 3/10. Some good baselines, but nothing that keeps your attention. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: XDZebra Review #20 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 11:49:59 MST > Even though Vangelis worked only on the "Spiritual High" trilogy, his > style lingers like a ghost throughout the album. Does Vangelis actually appear on the album? "State Of Independence" is a cover of the old Jon & Vangelis song, but this is the first I'd heard that V. actually worked with Moodswings. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:30:05 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: Fuzzy Logic production schedule Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 14:29:22 EST Once things get rolling this will be the production scheudule for Fuzzy Logic (note this may change as we see fit) Deadlines/assignments via email, voice, and snail mail. All submissions of editorial must be digital ascii.(for consciderations of time) first friday of the month submissions of sto ry ideas/interview possibilites, event schedule voluneteers ask for specific story assig nments from submited ideas Ad sales duties publish date of last months issue distribution begins second monday assignments given (two weeks of work time) third friday of every mont h edit deadline except for any late reviews art deadline 4th monday rough issue map of what goes where (one week to read and edit everything for editors) fourth friday of every month a dvertising deadline Hell production weekend begins 2 10 hour days of layout and design [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:29:56 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: Fuzzy Logic Staff Questionaire Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 14:29:11 EST I need to know a few things so i can organize everything. 1. How many hours a week can you put in? 2. are you willing to hand out issues at raves? 3. are you willing to beg people to place ads?(no,...really! this is a sucky job!) but you will get %15 of ad rates ($75 on a $500 ad) 4. can you come to ny the last weekend of the month(i just need about 4 people)? no matter what cool rave is happening? 5. What position would you like to fill and can commit to? (postions decrease in time and responsibility) Positions available: Art director, Managing editor, Ad director, Distribution director, staff editors, scene reporters, distributors, ad sales or make up your own and we will talk about it. 6. What resources do you have available to you? copy machines, linotronic output, scanners etc. 7. What is your address and home phone? 8. Would you be willing manage a (snail) mail list and get addresses at raves?e [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 14:56:14 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: catastrophic-zodiac-layaway (long) so, here is my report of the best weekend of my life to date: i couldn't find a ride from boston to NYC for the NASA rave (and it's lucky that i didn't-BUSTED) but i did find a ride to DC with my friends selling BigFunHouse hats and Tshirts. so we left on thursday morning and drove to DC. the Catastrophic New Years' Rave i thought was excellent. great lights. IMHO, there was way too much hardcore early on in the night, except for scott henry's breakbeat set, which was nice. amd, as woth all catastophic events, there were way too many beer bottles, and beer drinkers, but they cleared out at 5AM, when an incredible unknown tribal/house DJ spun. then onionz, dante, and debo came at 6AM and each spun absofrigginlutely superdooperific sets from 6-9AM. you guys that were there definitley should have stayed. all three DJs played very upbeat happy music. debo played a lot of old house. i stopped dancing from 5:30 till 9AM once to go to the bathroom. there was one emergency there- some guy had an accident of somesort and was taken away in an ambulance. speculation says that he fell while dancing. so, we packed up and left DC, and drove to Philadelphia for the Zodiac rave. we slept for two hours first in a cheap hotel, cause ya gotta have some sleep. anyway, the zodiac "rave" was actually in a club with two dance floors. it was very friendly in atmosphere, and everydifferent kind of dance music was plyed- from funk to hardcore to trance to house to disco. they kept switching which kind of music was being played on each floor, so it really mixed the crowd up nicely. we met the other Big FunHouse group that were selling at NASA, and pretty much took over the place. i think between all of us, we met every person in the club. we had soo much positive energy that we kept the whole place going. Philly really is the place of brotherly love. i want to go back for more raves there. so, after we packed up and said goodbye to our friends, we left to get some sleep until chechout at the hotel. then we decided what the heck, we'll stop in NYC on the way home and do some shopping. at a rest stop in new jersey we were eating at the bob's big boy when who walks in but our BigFunHouse friends! our friend alyssa came running down the salad bar shreiking at the top of her lungs. everyone's residual e from the previous night kicked in and we were in heaven. so of course we knew that we had to go to Layaway that night. we spent the day shopping in SoHo, then off to Long Island. layuaway in oionz's club way out on the island, which is actually just a cinderblock room in an industrial park. that night was a birthday party for debo, rene (mello mello's girlfriend), and dirt. it was the most incredible time. everyopne there had been awake for three days, just like us. we were propelled only by the energy of the music copmin from the likes of debo, onionz, happy, jason jinx, dirt, and oshin. everyone played beautifully. there is only one light in the room, with a small trip out room, and a bathroom. its as underground as it gets. we left at 9:30 Am, and droveback to boston, where i spent the next 27 hours sleeping. it was so incredible, i think i may go to baltimore and Dc for next weekends double wammy of raving. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english why waste your time? @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: the famous globe picture... Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 16:47:52 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) well, folks, sorry to dissappoint you all, but... even though camper probably deserves a picture in the globe with the title "world's most far-traveling, often-raving, connections-having, raver", the picture on the first page of the living arts section of the boston globe, was in fact taken at the Loft, two weeks ago this friday. the people in the picture are a couple randoms in front, my friend Mark (who happened to be tripping so hard that night that he walked all the way back to MIT alone!), and myself (purple sunglasses, pillow hat, mouth agape, in ecstasy of the incredable lights and tunes Dante was spinnning that night! ) :) lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 16:51:30 EST Subject: Advice....on CDs I need to know how good/worth looking for...etc about the following CDs: XL Ch.1,Ch.2 Kaos Theory #1,#2,#4 Interacive (the one with "Dildo" on it) Thanks much, TAREQ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tareq Alrashid Library Collection Services IBM / Case Western Reserve University tma@po.cwru.edu 10950 Euclid Avenue, Baker #6 (216) 368 - 3559 (VOICE) Cleveland, OH 44106-7033 (216) 368 - 8880 (FAX) ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: a DC weekend... Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 17:02:26 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) yeeeeeeeeaaaahhh boyEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! DC in full effect this weekend, my loved ones! donato's right! ULTRAWORLD ]I[ BRAINRAVE on friday, LIQUID HOLIDAY on saturday! can you take it? you better believe it! HAHDCOAH raverz in da houz! let's go! rent the van for the weekend, it'd be cheap once we split it up! crash at Digital Druid's pad! We're SET bro! so let's get it together! lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: the famous globe picture... Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 17:02:34 -0500 From: kanarick@media.mit.edu In message <9301052147.AA08306@w20-575-50> you write: >well, folks, sorry to dissappoint you all, but... >even though camper probably deserves a picture in the globe with the title Could somebody please type in this article already? -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:17:36 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: Re: Techno Club List oh my! Please remove NUDE and VOOM from the weekly list as they had untimely deaths a while back! But there is _always_ something happening at 1515 Broadway Saturday night, almost always by a different group, and sometimes techno, sometimes house, sometimes deep house. And VOOM has mutated into Brainfish who are currently sponsoring a show every Friday at 6321 Lincoln. This Fiday has Jetstream Richie Rich and John Aquaviva DJing there and the building is called the alley. Phones are 313.358.9882 Alley 313.245.4785 1515 Broadway. fred wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: the DC X-tRAVE-a-ganza Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 17:18:00 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) oh, just looking through my flyers, there's also FEVER on thursday, the 7th! 3 raves straight! are you HAHDCOAH enough? (sarcastic i-hate-frankie bone's-ego accent) (can you afford it...) :( anyway, it has potential... let's go! lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:30:16 EST From: Frederick.Wolf@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: re: weekly raves oh my! Please remove NUDE and VOOM from the weekly list as they had untimely deaths a while back! But there is _always_ something happening at 1515 Broadway Saturday night, almost always by a different group, and sometimes techno, sometimes house, sometimes deep house. And VOOM has mutated into Brainfish who are currently sponsoring a show every Friday at 6321 Lincoln. This Fiday has Jetstream Richie Rich and John Aquaviva DJing there and the building is called the alley. Phones are 313.358.9882 Alley 313.245.4785 1515 Broadway. - fred wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:53:33 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: Fredericton raves *FOREVER* -- long They said it couldn't be done.... I just had to post and tell everyone about one of the best experiences I've ever had in my life. Me and 3 friends put together a rave over the Christmas holidays and it was amazing. It was called "Forever" and was on January 3rd, 1993 in a beautiful warehouse in Fredericton's Industrial Park (Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada that is!). We had about 100 people or so. This may not sound like a lot by most standards but it's a lot for Fredericton! The city has about 45,000 people in it, so the chance of it being much of an alternative, ravey, kinda place is very small. I must say that the techno scene there really owes to DJ Sascha (Psychadelic Wednesdays) and CHSR 97.9 FM's great techno DJ's. However, the fact that most people had never heard of raves before really worked for us. For example, the police and fire departments were OK with everything we were doing 'cause they had never heard of the "evil ravers" garbage around in a lot of the media. As long as we had two fire exits and weren't near any houses we could basically do whatever we wanted! Back to the rave...I had made some flyers at work (using a scanner) based on some photos I took at a rave in Portland. So we distributed them about two days before the event...not very long, but more than enough time to work it's way through Fredericton's closely knit alternative crowd. We managed to get the warehouse for $100, some kickin' Elite speakers, a couple of SL1200's, a couple of CD players, and a mixing board (the sound stuff totalled $150). We broke down and got a DJ service to do the lights basically because they were cheap and we didn't want to bother setting them up ourselves (no time!). Around 11:00pm, the people started to trickle in. Fredericton's DJ Nonsense and DJ Mir were on the mix first...straight forward grindy techno with some novelty techno thrown in for fun. As the crowd increased, the worst thing that could have possibly happenned happenned....the heater's blew the power! It seems our warehouse didn't have enough power to run the lights, sound AND heat the place (it was -30 degrees Celsius outside!). So we sacrificed heat, temporarily changed the name of the rave to 'Freeze', and waited for more people to come. Eventually, the body heat made the place very comfortable (VERY suprising, considering that it was so cold outside!). On with the rave...DJ AJAX (that's me!) was on next. I played a hardcore breakbeat set to get things jumpin' and pumpin'. The crowd (and me) were really psyched. What a rush! I kept running up to Mel-E-Mel, MK, and DJ Sashca saying, "This is all us! Can you believe it!?!" It was really different being at your own rave! The Chill Out room was quite full too. We simply used a dim red light on the floor with bean bag type chairs and mats. Kinda psychadelic. In the main dance area we had strung sheets of psychadelic fabric from the warehouse ceiling. We also made a homemade liquid oil projection using an overhead projector. Whoa! Was it ever heavy! I definitely recommend it. DJ Sascha was on next (Tribal/Techno/Trance). His set was excellent as usual. After that, we rotated through the DJ's until about 5:00am. From 4:30 till 5:30 we played this groovy progressive house set. Financially, we actually almost broke even! I turned aout the 4 "investors" each lost $1.32. As Sascha put it, "Well, I could of had a hamburger, but instead I had a rave!" In closing, I must say that this will go down in the "top 10 things I've done in my life" list. It's hard to believe that 4 people sitting around at a bar one Saturday night talking about having a rave could end up actually having one the next weekend! I definitely recommend this experience. Only thing is (Sniff!), when it's all over...you're in for a big depression. Mel-E-Mel, MK, Sascha,..I love you guys! Long live Beat Productions....forever. "Peace, can we hold it together..." AJAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 19:40:03 EST From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Catastrophic - Professionals brought in? Hi, glad to see a bunch of the ne-ravers at Catastophic New Year, it was nice meeting up with different people. Anyway, just thought I'd post a few comments One nice thing was that there was in/out allowed, so you could get stuff from your car or whatever. I had fun... did anyone else get the funky glasses they where giving out? Anyway, what I wanted to post about was that I met a friend from HS who works for a professional sound and light company there. Turns out Catastrophic ha (had) farmed out the sound system and lighting to a professional company (a company that typically handles large concerts and the like)/ I thought that this was sort of the topper after all of the other commercial trappings in evidence (beer drinkers, Ticketcraft tickets for anti-counterfeit tickets, etc). If catastrophic doesn't put the attention to detail that was in evidence at QuakerRave, it might be not worth going to anymore, this one was fun, but whatever.... Hope to see some of you at Ultraworld and/or Liquid Holiday! uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu(yoram) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Sample question... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 19:59:12 EST I have a simple question: Where can i find the chorus-type sample (Ahhhhh) that is on Beet Oven from T.E.E (on Italian Style label)? The long sample that starts at the break around 1 minute, not the one looped over and over during most of the song. Any pointer will do (the actual sample in EPS, AIFF or raw 16 bit would be best) from a sampler disk to a DAT. Even a vinyl... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 05 Jan 1993 22:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: ... Hey are any of you going to be at NASA on Friday? (those of you who won't be in DC this weekend, that is..) Is it true that NASA is free because the new year's thing got busted? Let me know.. Thanks, Darshan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:01:05 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: fuzzy logic magazine Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:02:00 EST Hi Cybertribe,x I am starting a new magazine called Fuzzy Logic. It is a no compromise full-on DIY(do it xyourself) scene tool kit. It is a non-profit project, any profits will bex given to cha rity. Stats of income will be posted in the magazine, how muchx money when out to writers, h ow much production cost, and what was donatedx each month. (thanks to Consolidated for the idea, on their 91 tour theyx posted how much it cost to have shirts made and what their profit was at $10x per shirt, i really respected that.)xx The most issue today in the rave scene is fighting greed. We are gettingx raped by promoters, clothing manufacturers and record companies. You don't need them to be a raver. No more will I buy a $20 shirt, go to a $20 rave or buy a $20 import. Fuck'em. x If we refuse to be exploited, there is nothing they can do except lower prices and increase qu ality.x And if they don't we will just organize tape exchange networks, go to inexpensive micro- raves and make our own shirts and sell them for a few dollars above cost to our friends.xx Fuzzy logic will be dedicated to keeping the scene defined by ravers rather than greedy people that see this as a chance to exploit us. Its editorial slant will be do-it-yourself technology type stuff. How to set -up ax non-profit organization, get t-shirts printed, throw your own rave, avoiding busts, set up a bulletin board or voice-mail system and how to build your own light effects. It will also have typical magazine stuff; art, reviews, scene reports and interviews with DJ's and promoters that are a positive influence on the scene. My goal is a circulation of 10,000 for the first issue. I need your help. I need volunteers to submit stuff(art, reviews, scene reports, clipped articles on the scene from other media sources and interviews) to me on a regular basis. You will receive full credit and financial compensation when possible. I need people to go out and get it distributed at raves and record stores and people to get ads (it must be done, anyone who brings me an advertiser will get 15% what that advertiser spends in the magazine). My goal is a premier issue by April first. Don't feed the greed!xx If ev eryone gives more than they take, it could be a wonderful scene. xx So who's willing to help?xx chuckx revar@aol.comxx [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 05 Jan 1993 21:20:49 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu Subject: techno top 10 of all time? I was thinking....can people post their top 10 techno songs of all time? If you could, that would be cool. I'm doing a newspaper article on techno I could write my own favorite 10...but I wanted some more input. Thanks. -Julian Is Moby's "Go" required? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 05 Jan 1993 23:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: 10 o my favorite techno tunes in response to that question about our 10 ALL TIME favorite techno songs i thought that it would be fun to post it to everyone...just so you can see where i'm comin' from! now, remember,...this is ALL TIME favorite.. meaning i had to think back at what i USED to be crazy about.. as well as now.. i'm sure there's more...it's not easy to do...and this is by NO MEANS in any kind of order.. AGE OF LOVE: age of love PRAGA KHAN: injected witha poison GTO: elevation CABARET VOLTAIRE: inside the electronic evolution LFO: we are back INNER LIGHT: phantasia SYSTEM 01: drugs work THE CURSE: all systems (are go) SCIENCE LAB: flesh and blood TRILITHON: children of the future so, for anyone who doesn't know what i'm into.. there it is. peace and love. >>taylor.automated.prototype.device [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 06 Jan 1993 01:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Top 10 favorites.. I don't think I can put these in order, but these are definitely some of my favorites.. 808 State - Pacific Test - Overdub AGE - Limbo LFO - We Are Back (remix) Orbital - Omen (remix) Hardfloor - Accsperience 3 The Night Mover - Di Ba Da (this is really new - pick this up!) The Aphex Twin - Digeridoo Overdog - Fuck You Up 303 Nation - Cinqo (is that how you spell it? I'm culturally illiterate..) I think I could go on, but there's ten for ya.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 01:16:47 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (shoot out the lights) Subject: Re: 10 o my favorite techno tunes All the favorites? Pulzar - Equinox Lock on Target - Lenny Dee/Distengrator Age of Love - Age of Love, Jam&Spoon remix Drugs Work - System 01 f.u.s.e - 3phase Megatone - Nighttripper Fine Day - Opus III Joey Beltram - Energy Rush Papa New Guinea - future sound of london Moby - electricity This changes rave-to-rave of course :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 01:22:47 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (To know you is to love you) Subject: MY favorites , forgot a few! DJESRANI's post just reminded me of a few.. I also like orbital's halycon, and orbital's belfast (I'm an orbital head) and 808 state's cubik, and aphex twin's digeridoo, but i can't stand richard james.. :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 06:21:28 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Ultraworld, Liquid Holiday Planning on going to both Ultraworld and Liquid Holiday this weekend on way back to school. hope to see alot of you there. . doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 09:35 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: organization (was Fredericton raves *FOREVER* -- long) Ajax wrote: >It's hard to believe that 4 people sitting around at a bar one >Saturday night talking about having a rave could end up actually having one >the next weekend! I definitely recommend this experience. Actually, it's not hard at all. You all had a lot going for you: you were all located in the same town, so you could all be together to discuss plans IN PERSON there were only 4 of you; it's MUCH EASIER to make decisions when there are fewer people involved all you worried about was putting it on as nicely and as cheaply as possible, rather than how to make it grand enough to draw a crowd the Fredericton alternative scene is closely-knit you were working under severe time constraints, so you made your decisions quickly I think if Mars and ne-raves goes ahead with Interface (or whatever it's called this week) they could learn a lot from your experience. Having a committee of 100 people who have no face-to-face communication try to plan a rave is (as demonstrated by what happened on this list before Christmas) quite unwieldly. Look at Pete Ashdown's successful series of raves: as I understand it there's really only 2 or 3 people organizing them. Ditto for the various ne-raves pre-rave parties. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 09:43 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: NASA Friday (was ...) Since I am spectacularly poor (it being post-Christmas and all), I won't be making the drive down to Balt/DC for the big rave weekend (oh, if this were only a paycheck or two in the future). So, Ed, Laura, Taylor, John, and Tom (from Chicago) will all be at the (it better be true) free NASA on Friday. When you come in the door, there's a sort of lobby with a few couches. We will be congregating on/near the couches. Look for us at midnight. We'll be wearing our ne-raves badges, and look sort of like the following: John -- 5'3", long black hair in a ponytail, usually wears black. Ed -- 5'11" (I guess??), medium-length frizzy blonde hair in a ponytail, angular features. Taylor -- 5'11" (????? I'm really bad at guessing heights), short short dark dark blonde hair (dirty brown??) with lots of ball chain jewelry and cool earrings. Laura -- 5'3", ear-length blonde hair, black leggings, black felt hat with a bow on the back. The ne-raves badges are bright green on one side and bright pink on the other. They hang from ball chain, and have a small window at the bottom. If you can get close enough to read them, the green side has 4 circles joined by lines and says "connect." The pink side has a white label on it and says "reach out." Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:06:06 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: Ten Top Techno Tunes (TTTT) Top Ten Techno Tunes That were cool when I got 'em. By this I mean ones that you heard, and you just had to get, even if they are well over played now. Eon - Fear (Also J Saul Kane mix of Spice is up here) Phantasia - Inner Light (First heard on Talla XLC's Techno Comp) LFO - LFO (The remix on the domestic single) Tyrell Corp - Running (Razormaid Version, old German, Awesome) Fierce Ruling Diva - My Name is House (On the Rubb It In 12") Electroset - How Does it Feel (White label) Prodigy - G Force (I remember finally getting this single, way cool) Digital Domain - Rabbit City #03 (House, Techno, White label) Shamen - Move any Mountain Messiah - There is No Law (Original Single) Notes: Eon. Sounds good, and J Saul Kane makes a wicked b-side mix. Phantasia I heard on a comp from ZYX with all kinds of stuff, double CD and double album. Includes an un-released Skinny Puppy tune also. I finally managed to get it on the Techno Sonic comp. LFO remix I heard on a station at home 2 (or 3?) years ago, when ever it first came out on import. I didn't know who it was, but I liked it. I found it 6-8 months later when it was released domestically. Tyrell Corp song is German techno sound. I have only heard the original 12" once, and a friend of mine has the Razormaid version. I getting around to buying the Razormaid it's on when I can cough up $30 for 8 songs. Fierce Ruling Diva "My Name is House". It's the middle track on the b-side to the "Rub it In" single. Pounding basss, throughout the entire song, wierd to mix with because of the bass, but works the speakers more than LFO does. Electroset. I've got the white label, I assume the FFRR release is the same. Prodigy. Again, I assume everyone here knows the tune. "Rip up the Sound System" (also on the single) comes a close second in this class. Digital Domain. Have to credit dieselBoy for finding this one for me. I heard it, and finally managed to get a copy months after. Unfortunetly the Twitch mix is not as good as the single. (Sorry Mike) Shamen. No notes needed, everyone knows this. Messiah. Unfortunetly I don't like the Twitch mix of this either, the original keeps the fast tempo up and leaves the vocal samples up top in the intro. Also the B-Side is the original mix of the b-side to the Temple of Dreams CD that came out. -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh (From the people who brought you Evolution in Pittsburgh, MUTATION is coming.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 10:10 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: techno top 10 of all time? I haven't been into techno for long enough to have "all time" favorites, but here are the tracks that make me die and go to dance heaven: (in no particular order) TRIPTONE -- The Nighttripper (ESP Records). It's on the slow side but has such a spacey "woop whoop whoap" noise in it that it just brings out the funky groove in me. And the bassline . . . sigh. Dante (NYC DJ par exellence) used to play this a lot. Marvy. COSMIC EVOLUTION (remix) -- Microbots (R&S Records). Gorgeous pretty airy but fast trance, with lots of bell and high-pitched piano sounds. PULZAR -- Equinox (Vortex Records). Fast acid/trancecore to die for. A good "save your butt" record for DJs (you can mix that whirly buzzy swirly intro over anything). Hard and pounding. Good lord, my reviews are starting to sound like Heather Heather's . . . . LOCK ON TARGET -- Disintegrator (Industrial Strength Records). The de facto Groove Net theme song. Vocal samples taken from the X-3 Cyberblaster toy. Hardcore, but with good creativity. Nice acid touches. MICRODOT -- Lenny D (Industrial Strength Records). Lenny D makes the most beautiful hardcore. I can actually trance out to his stuff. AGE OF LOVE (watch out for Stella mix by Jam & Spoon) -- Age of Love (issued in the US on Radikal Records). Love that high pitched reverberating sonar bell sound. Oooooh. And the underwater bubbly acid bass line. And the female vocal samples are so smooth and classy. INSANE WORLD -- Lunik (Havok Music, coming out in February I hope). At +8 it's hardcore, at -8 it's groovy. Very fast hard acid trance, with samples from _The Terminator_. Drops down into a lovely spacey ambient trance section, and then picks up again. Watch for this!!! INVOCATION -- Subsequence (I think this on the Subsequence label out of Germany). Delicious hard-to-find trance, along the same lines as The Nighttripper's "Megatone" and "Triptone," but more acidic and much cooler and groovier. The melodic parts are very twangy. GO -- Moby (Instinct Records). Sure, you hear it all the time everywhere but that's because it's beautiful and will mix with anything. I like mixing it with "Age of Love." There's about 200 mixes of this song -- I like the original album version the best, and the nearly hardcore "Rainforest Mix" (with the beginning that sounds sort of like a nuclear disaster siren going off) second best. FUTURE 2 -- Phuturerhythm (NovaMute/Tresor Records). I think that's the name of this. It's on that Tresor Comp. More fast acid trance (gee, is that my favorite style of techno or what?). It's very repetitive, but what repetition! Oh my, energizing and pounding. There you have it -- what I like *and why*. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 06 Jan 1993 10:54:02 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: more TTTT ya know.. i could sit here and post forever on songs that i really love.. but that would waste too much time.. so, i'll just post a COUPLE.. (please?).. more incredible songs: prodigy: out of space it's a fine day: opus 3 THE DRUG FITS THE FACE: MOBY (this one's definitely on my top 10) tricky disco: tricky disco acid rain: (?) lords of acid: let's get high (c'mon.. OLD, but kickin') regarding laura's TTTT.. watch out for those LUNIK guys.. i hear they're good.. >>taylor.biomechanikal.trance.device [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 6 Jan 93 10:57:53 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Top 10 favorites.. Hmmm...lemme see here, top 10 fav's...Okay, that's eazy.... 1>> Disco Inferno (burn baby burn) 2>> I write the songs Barry Manilow 3>> Beethoven Symphony #5 Ludwig Von Beethoven 4>> Stairway To Heaven Led Zeppelin 5>> Gumby Theme Unknown 6>> Hey Hey Monkees 7>> Fuck tha police NWA 8>> Stayin alive Bee Gees 9>> Oakridge Boys Elvira 10>> Bad Michelle Jackson (oops...Michael) -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 11:39 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: CAMPER! Once again, I need an addres -- write to me Camper, I need directions to Onionz' club, Lay-A-Way. Thanks, Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:46 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Mi Alto Diez Favoritos (I probably really screwed up that title, but you get the idea....) (1) Just Let Go Petra & Co. (2) Voices In My Head ..I don't know.. (3) Ska Train Beatmasters (I think) (4) Anastasia T99 (5) It's Gonna Be A Lovely Day Soul System (New, but I love it) (6) A Fine Day Opus III (7) "Nintendo Music" ..I don't know.. (I'm not sure who did this, but it's various game themes played to a good beat.) (8) UFOrb (I don't have the song title here at work.. very spacey) (9) Samba House of Gypsies (A) Nocturne T99 --------------------------- Gosh, this was harder than I thought. I'm bad with names of songs I don't own. Maybe some of you will know more about these songs than I do and can help me out with the titles or groups. There are others that I really like, but I only know them by "Track This" on "Disc This", etc. How embarrassing. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:42 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Chatting with Adam X I wandered down to Groove Records in Brooklyn last night and ended up buying some stuff and chatting with Adam X for about 40 minutes. Stuff: CYBERMIX -- The Nighttripper (ESP Records). This is a Mega-Mix of a bunch of great ESP Trance. It's a great way to get a feel for what the label puts out. The mix is well-done, not in the least bit cheezy like some other mega-mixes (most notably the HORRIFFIC remix of OMD's worst, called "Brides of Frankenstein"). CYGNUS -- KAOS THEORY (forgot the label . . . it's yellow). The world is going to explode -- Damon Wild put Repete (from Equinox) and Nico (from ESP Records) together and all acid hell broke loose. It's along the lines of Equinox's "Pulzar," but even crazier and not quite as hardcore. WEISBADEN ATTACK -- Adam X vs. Audio Sex. While in Germany in December Adam got together with DJ ADSX and made two tracks, "Brooklyn Massive" and "Weisbaden Attack." Hard fast acid trance, with the Brooklyn version being a bit harder. They do a neat trick with the typical 4/4 kick drum -- for one bar they do 1/4 notes, the next they do 1/8 notes, then 1/16, then 1/32 . . . . this is overused in the Brooklyn version, however. I'm sorry the reviews aren't better, but I've only heard all of these once. Chatting: STORM -- Storm raves are over, "for now." They are going to go back to throwing smaller parties, each centered around a different type of music. For example, Fluid on Saturday is going to be centered around trance (Brooklyn trance, which is hard, fast and acidic). Other parties might feature 100% hardcore, or 100% old school techno and house, and so forth. The idea (which makes sense to me, although some of you might not agree with it) is that the flow of the party works better when the types of music played are related. Adam said that when you try to play EVERYTHING at a rave, you often get the situation where great droves of people enter and leave the floor and/or the party depending on the type of music. He'd perfer to get people there, get them going, and have them stay. I told him the idea had its merits, because that way people would know what they were getting into music-wise. If someone really didn't like hardcore, they just could skip the hardcore nights rather than going to a mixed night and complaining that there was too much this or not enough that. I know what the counter-argument for this is -- "I like variety, I like all types of techno." Well, I said it makes sense but you might not agree . . . . HUGE RAVES -- As far as multi-thousand person raves goes, Adam has also had enough of those. "It just doesn't impress me anymore. Lots of people are great if they are into the music, but at the huge parties here you get a lot of people who come just so they can say the were at a huge rave." Methinks these are the people who tend to leave en masse at 3.00 am. SCENES -- Adam was in Germany before Christmas, and says it's incredible over there. Going to clubs is a lot different than the clubs in the US, he says a night at a club is like going to a rave here. Being in Europe, it's a lot easier to get a lot of the new techno coming out, so the ravers there tend to be a lot more knowledgeable about the music and in general are a lot more into the music. Adam had some good things to say about the Providence, RI, scene, with major thumbs-up to Tim from AmoebaHead, who puts on the Quest raves. (When is there going to be another one??) He and I are agreed on being dismayed by the preponderance of breakbeat/progressive house in Boston, but since it's all a matter of taste what the heck . . . . (I know Dave, you are dying for a little bit of hardcore/heavy trance in Boston. Talk to Sava.) (I know Camper, you love it just the way it is. It's just our opinion.) He didn't say much about DC, just that he's tired of huge huge raves and so probably won't go down there much anymore (I think it's because the DC scene is getting tired of hardcore, so they don't really need Adam's presence). The Brooklyn scene is shifting, too, believe it or not. The nose-bleed aggro hardcore is giving way to hard acid trance. It's still hard and fast, but it's different with more musical experimentation. I think maybe the Groove Posse is being postively influenced by the creativity shown by the Lenny D/Industrial Strength axis. We'll have to see where they go with this. I think Brooklyn will always remain on the hardcore end of the techno spectrum. FASHION -- I get the impression that seeing raves turning into fashion festivals bothers Adam a bit. It's one thing to dress fun for a party, but he thinks people are doing it to be cool and fashionable without necessarily being truly into the scene. It's not what you wear that makes you a raver, but what you do -- do you love techno? do you help to create unity and a good vibe? That's what makes someone a raver. He was telling me that when he was at Mayday in Germany (which he felt was too big what with 7000 people, but still good), very few people dressed "ravey." Most of the kids wore jeans and record-label T-shirts -- from small independent labels. "I'd never even heard of a lot of the labels, it was amazing." DRUGS -- One thing that really annoys Adam is going to a rave and seeing some people so tripped out that they don't dance and don't interact with other people. They just sit there and do nothing. "I don't care if you take drugs or not, but it's not the reason why you go to a rave, and some people are using raves as an excuse to trip." He used to X *A LOT* but has stopped. "Doing it all the time is meaningless. And if you do it only every once in a while it's more intense." We got on the subject of drugs when I remarked that the stuff coming out of Germany (like on the Tresor Comp) is great, very twisted, and he remarked "yeah, and none of the musicians over there are on drugs, either." I told him that I've noticed that drug use at raves has gone way down. I hope it doesn't disappear altogether -- I'd hate for the rave scene to get a conservative straight-edge air about it, but I am glad that people are becoming more responsible about it all. I got the impression that Adam's big beef with the drugs came from people being *irresponsible* about it -- he was telling me there was this girl at Revelation who was 100% out of her mind and was stripping and giggling in front of the cops. What a good way to tip them off that there might be something illegal going on? All we need is a DEA raid . . . . Well, that's it. See you all around. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:15:48 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Chatting with Adam X > From laura@usl.com Wed Jan 6 13:04:03 1993 > it's all a matter of taste what the heck . . . . (I know Dave, you are > dying for a little bit of hardcore/heavy trance in Boston. Talk to Sava.) Sava was over my place on Sunday night (He came over to play with John's 303 ;)) and we all got to chatting. Sava is looking into getting a Thursday night location in Boston which will focus on hardcore/trance (awwwyyeeahhhh! No novelty shit for that place). He's trying to put it together. The place has two floors and is your standard 2am Boston club, but hey, I would LUUUUUVVVV to see a REAL hardcore night here in town. He's worried that Boston ain't haahhhdkoah enough and that the place won't do too well. I told him you better believe Jughead and I will be there every week. I think the rest of Boston needs a hardcore kick in the head, not to mention an alternative to Venus on Thursday night (bleeechk ;( ) Any opinions? Can I give Sava a good feeling that there'll be a good contingent of people who want haahhdkoah in Boston? Then I could have it all right here in Boston!! Hardcore thursdays and Happy Loft Fridays!! dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:21 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: NE-RAVES BADGE ORDER (again) I can't make the badges until I have at least 20 orders (otherwise they end up costing nearly twice as much). I've been collecting orders for nearly a month now and have about 14. So if you want an ne-raves badge send in your order now so I can get to it and get those badges out to all those patient people who have ordered! What they look like (they hang from that ball/chain/lamp pull type stuff): FRONT -------- ------------------------- | | It's hard to describe this, but | | superimposed over the word CONNECT is | | the ne-raves logo, which is supposed to | | represent a computer network -- 4 circles | | (nodes) connected by lines. | C O N N E C T | | | | | | | | | | | | ne-raves@silver.lcs | This is actually the full address here. | | | | | ----------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | This little "window" is actually a piece | | | | of (rather weak but still functional) | | | | diffraction grating -- for raving fun! | | | | The whole front side is bright green | ----------------- | with black lettering. | | ------------------------- BACK -------- ------------------------- | | | R O | Between the words "Reach" and "out" there | | is a white label with black letters. On | | the first line is the name you want | E | to be called, the second is your email | | address, and the third is either your | | full name or your net/mail name. | A U | | | | | | C | | | | | | H T | | ----------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | The whole back side is hot neon pink | ----------------- | with black lettering. | | ------------------------- I will collect orders until I have at least 20 (the minimum for me to get a discount on the lamination). When I have at least 20 I will laminate the badges and get them to you as quickly as possible. So, how long it takes you to get your badge depends on how quickly I collect 20+ orders. TO ORDER ------ Fill out the following form and send it to Laura La Gassa 218 Madison St. Apt. 1-S Hoboken, NJ 07030 Include a check or money order for $3.00 made out to me, or send cash. ALTERNATE ORDERING METHOD ------ Fill out the following form and hand it to me at a a rave, along with $3.00 (cash). Look for me at NASA on Friday, January 9 (meet by the sofas near the front door at midnight), or possibly at ESSENCE on Saturday, January 16. Sorry, but purposes of my own personal sanity all email orders will be ignored. ----------------NE-RAVES--BADGE--ORDER--FORM---------------------------------- "real" name: ___________________________________________________ US mail address: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ name you like to be called: ____________________________________ email address: _________________________________________________ "net" name if you want to use one: _____________________________ ----------------NE-RAVES--BADGE--ORDER--FORM---------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: German clubs Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:24:00 MST > SCENES -- > Adam was in Germany before Christmas, and says it's incredible over there. > Going to clubs is a lot different than the clubs in the US, he says a night > at a club is like going to a rave here. Being in Europe, it's a lot easier > to get a lot of the new techno coming out, so the ravers there tend to be > a lot more knowledgeable about the music and in general are a lot more into > the music. I went to Bavaria in the summer of 1991. A German friend took me to the best clubs every night. As soon as I got into town on Monday, he took me to a club. They were incredibly *fun*, lasted way into the morning, but in no way would I compare them to a rave. For one, the music was completely clueless. At that time I had just stumbled on to En-Tact, but the DJs there were playing stuff like ZZ Top, U2, and other American top 40. This wasn't just in one club, we hit four different ones while I was there, and it was the same music in different spots. Even the German techno wasn't represented well. Nobody had heard of KMFDM as well, which agrees with Sasha's comment that the German public is very clueless about music. I had a hard time finding anything of worth in Munich's best record stores. Another thing that was very apparent in all the clubs was the amount of alcohol and smoking. My friend told me that Marlboro and other cigarette companies will frequently come to the clubs and hand out free cigs. Virtually every female I met, smoked. This is "incredible"? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:33:20 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: MY favorites , forgot a few! Excellent timing about the 808state cubic... This is a very scary thing, because I'm a big 808 fan. So last night I was listening to the Cubik single and I was reading the production notes and all...look what I came across: *Additonal production by Frankie Bones and Tommy Musto for Northcott/JSE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ON MY 808STATE CD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was almost in tears... d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:57 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: German clubs Pete wrote: >[Laura wrote:] >> SCENES -- >> Adam was in Germany before Christmas, and says it's incredible over there. >> Going to clubs is a lot different than the clubs in the US, he says a night >> at a club is like going to a rave here. Being in Europe, it's a lot easier >> to get a lot of the new techno coming out, so the ravers there tend to be >> a lot more knowledgeable about the music and in general are a lot more into >> the music. > >I went to Bavaria in the summer of 1991. A German friend took me to the best >clubs every night. As soon as I got into town on Monday, he took me to a >club. They were incredibly *fun*, lasted way into the morning, but in no way >would I compare them to a rave. For one, the music was completely clueless. >At that time I had just stumbled on to En-Tact, but the DJs there were playing >stuff like ZZ Top, U2, and other American top 40. This wasn't just in one >club, we hit four different ones while I was there, and it was the same music >in different spots. Even the German techno wasn't represented well. Nobody >had heard of KMFDM as well, which agrees with Sasha's comment that the German >public is very clueless about music. I had a hard time finding anything of >worth in Munich's best record stores. > >This is "incredible"? First of all, summer of 1991 was a long way from December of 1992. I'd say nearly 1.5 years. Things change. Also, I neglected to add that Adam was in Berlin, so maybe that makes a difference. Adam said that the RAVERS were a lot more knowledgeable about the music, not "the German public" as your friend Sasha stated. Maybe there's a difference. Furthermore, you've never ever been to an East Coast rave, have you? Maybe they're not as loving and cool and whatever as the stuff you create. Maybe the East Coast raves are more clubby, and therefore more like the clubs in Berlin. I wouldn't know, never having been to CA or to Germany. (But I do know what we have here in New York/Boston, and I'm getting mighty sick of the likes of you, Jon D., and Mike W. insinuating that what we have here is somehow "not real." We have our problems, but we also have our moments of transcendent glory.) And maybe your friend Sasha wasn't as well-connected with the scene as you thought he was? Who knows? Who cares? Club life changes DRASTICALLY and QUICKLY here in New York, I'm thinking that it probably does elsewhere, too. Just becuase MUNICH in *mid-1991* was bad it doesn't mean that BERLIN in *late-1992* is. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:36:17 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: top 10 Ok, ok so I can't get my list any shorter than this. Too bad! It's the shortest I could make it. On top of all that, half this stuff isn't spelt rite, etheir. Techno Tracks: - Trance Media - Frequency (japan) - Underground Resistance - Titan - Robert Armani - Remote Control (ACV) - SeaTank - Walk on Bass - Leo Anabaldi - Raiders of the Future - Sven Voth - RIAA Curve (HardHouse) - Glitch (Hawtin Mix) - Open Circuit Surgery - Unghakoo - Meehan (Pod-Germany) - Space Cube - Cool Killer - Exit 100 (Thomas Heckman) - Ogres (Metamorph EP) - Robert Armani - Remote Control (ACV) - H-Bomb (UR) - Radar - Dave Angel - Bounce Back (Stairway to Heaven EP) - World Power Alliance - Kamakazie (UR) - UR - Ground 0:The Planet (X102:Rings of Saturn EP) - Dr. Kevorkian - Suicide Machine (UR) - The Tullurians - The Navigator - F.U.S.E. (Hawtin) - Substance Abuse - The Aphex Twin - Amphex - The Strong Heads - Frequency Test - Tim Van Lidden - Deeko War - Brain E - What A Bassline - Missing Channel - Whirlpool (Atomic Whirlpool EP(Hard Wax)) - Sven Voth - Tired of having to be good - Equi-Tech - Stylus Flight - Lenny Dee - Dark Black Ominous Clouds - Lenny Dee - Lock on Target Progressive House Tracks: - Fabis Paris - That Piano Track (Outrage) - Prop Dept. - Move to the Groove (Two CLouds Above 9) - Spooky - The Land of Oz (Ernie and Bert Mix) - Acorn Arts - Body - Left Field - Song of Life - Nush - Nush (NY Strings Mix) - Pascal's Bongo Massive Vol. 3 - Pascal's Jam - Outer Mind - I still want ya - Acorn Arts - I'm Barme - Sona Locota - Ice and Acid God I love this stuff. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:04 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: MY favorites , forgot a few! Digital Druid wrote: >So last night I was >listening to the Cubik single and I was reading the production notes and >all...look what I came across: > >*Additonal production by Frankie Bones and Tommy Musto for Northcott/JSE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ SO WHAT? FRANKIE BONES IS NOT THE DEVIL INCARNATE. If you liked the way the 808 State stuff sounded without you knowing that Frankie had worked on it, does that knowlege change your opinion? I hope not. Frankie, while owner of a HUGE ego and an uneven temperment, has done some good honest work in the techno music scene. How about all those "Bones Breaks" records that everyone seems to sample for breakbeat? How about the undisputed fact that, although he did turn into a greedy commercial kind of guy, he DID get the rave scene moving in Brooklyn? How about the 808 State stuff that so many people enjoy? He's not all bad -- please stop slagging on him unnecessarily. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:31:04 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: connect sorry to waste space Okay, I would really like replies from who is definitly coming down this weekend, and what time you expect to arrive ( dont' care when...just curious) . Also, please mail me if you still need directions how to get down here. If you need to get intouch with me and you can't find me online, call @ 410.922.4081 . thanks... Gil d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:37 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: top 10 Dave Top-Tens: >- Lenny Dee - Dark Black Ominous Clouds >- Lenny Dee - Lock on Target Actually, these are both by Disintegrator, whom several of us probably remember from lackluster performances at QUEST I and SPUTNIK I. Disintegrator teemed up with Lenny D acting as producer, and hence some lovely hardcore was born. I hope they keep working with him, because the results are pleasing to me. Your mileage may vary. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:09 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Wonka Beats Has anyone else gotten this compilation? I remember seeing someone say something about it a few weeks ago... but I'm really hooked on two tracks lately: Track 2 which was Jambo-Drumattack.. and I think Track 6 which was from Aquastep.. Oempa Loempa or something like that. Just wondering if others out there are enjoying these as much as I am. My friend Jonathan mixes them in most of his sets and people really seem to be into them. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:09 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Hookup-O-Matic? Is Shalko still out there? I miss the Hookup-O-Matic already.. that was a really good idea. :) _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:09 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: German Clubs Thought I'd put my $0.02 in... I'll try to be OBjective. I, too, went to Munich.. last February. The club I was at (Club New York) on Sonnenstrasse played different styles of music most every night. Sundays and Thursdays seemed to be most popular with a house/techno mix. It was the first time I heard Apotheosis (that Karl Orf thing).. even before I heard it in the states. (Someone will probably come up and point out that I'm probably way behind and that Apotheosis song was out in 1986 or something, but I really don't know when it was out.) The important thing is that I heard some new songs that I'd never heard in the states, and I had a really good time overall. I certainly didn't expect their clubs to be just like ours, but there really wasn't too much difference. They even had this awesome laser array that could project multicolored lasers all around the room. They had these fixed mirrors at many points in the room, and if they aimed the main beam just right (all under computer control of course) it reflected off of these other mirrors and just bathed the ceiling in laser fabulousness. There did seem to be quite a number of people smoking, but I have to say that I smoked a few self-rolled cigarettes myself sampling the german tobacco flavors. I don't smoke, but some of the tobacco can be pleasing. I just can't do more than one or two a day. We had this whiskey flavored stuff that wasn't harsh at all. Totally on a tangent, the BEER was delicious. I am not a beer drinker either (in the states) but my German friend that was showing me around helped me to try many different varieties of German beer. I think the Wheat beer and the Hefe-Weisse were my favorites. I'd never had a sweet/non-bitter beer before and these hit the spot. (And were less expensive than Coca-Cola, surprisingly.) I guess when I go to new places I always just like to observe what they are doing and try to learn from it. I automatically compare it to everything else I've experienced, but I don't judge or condemn easily. I tend to be very analytical (hell, I'm a programmer) and try to look at the whole picture. Well, enough rambling... _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: MY favorites , forgot a few! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:27:22 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Digital Druid: > > listening to the Cubik single and I was reading the production notes and > all...look what I came across: > > *Additonal production by Frankie Bones and Tommy Musto for Northcott/JSE > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ON MY 808STATE CD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > I was almost in tears... I have the ZANG 2T 9031-71212-0 vynil (ep the extended pleasure of dance) which has cUbik as a B side and there is no sign of F. Bones or T. Musto. (p) and (c) ZTT 1990 and engineered, recorded and mixed by Graham Massey at Square One studios. Cant say for later 808 stuff cause that was my last 808 state bought (i'm really glad i didn't buy their latest... Hope they will start making good music again.) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: techno 10 (fwd) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:34:32 EST Forwarded message: > From cjbreite@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Wed Jan 6 15:04:08 1993 > From: Chris J Breitenbach > Message-Id: <9301062002.AA17901@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> > Subject: techno 10 > To: mw-raves@engin.umich.edu > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:02:06 EST > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > Here in no particular order are what I think are my top ten favorite techno > songs, though I just know I've left out some. > > 10, Stella (Original)- Jam and Spoon > 9, Go (Woodtick mix)- Moby > 8, Impulse 101- Resist 101 > 7, Pulsewidth- Aphex Twin > 6, LFO- LFO > 5, What Time is Love (Original)- KLF > 4, Cubik- 808 State > 3, 1 in 8- Future Sound of London > 2, Belfast- Oribital > 1, Blue Monday (Original)- New Order > > chris breitenbach This is kind of off the subject, but I have a Future Sound Of London 12" that came out way before the album. It has the "1 in 8" track on it, but on the outer sleeve it says "Innate" and on the label it says 1. In 8 and the second track is 2. whatever, so I think the actual title was supposed to be "In 8" or "Innate" but when they put it on the album, it's like they just copied what they saw on the label, which was "1. In 8". If the track had been the second one on the 12", you'd probably be listing your 3rd favorite song as "2 in 8". Just thought that was kind of interesting. Silly Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: NE-RAVES BADGE ORDER (again) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 16:52:47 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) > | C O N N E C T | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | ne-raves@silver.lcs | This is actually the full address here. > | | > | | just so i'm not sending posts to the wrong place, is ne-raves@silver or @gnu????? laura- did my order get to you? (hoping....) :) lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: this weeks HOM, Sava's hahdcoah klub, etc. Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 16:46:51 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) well, i've had to spend some time re-acclimating to MIT hell, looking for work, etc. but now that i'm back into a schedule of home-iness... "It's time to start...RUNNING!" so send your raving/clubbing plans to the Hookup-O-Matic at sscoen@athena.mit.edu i'll post it thursday night so it won't be in time for FEVER or other jan. 7th events, but get it all to me and we can get things up and running... Dave was sayin: > Then I could have it all right here in Boston!! Hardcore thursdays and Happy > Loft Fridays!! AMEN! tell sava that now you have three that be there every week, anyway! lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: current techno faves... Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 17:28:58 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Golden Girls- Kinetic (Orbital and Frank de Wolf mixes) THIS IS MY FAVORITE TUNE. THERE IS NOTHING MORE MAGICAL FOR ME. IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS IT AND WOULD MAKE A RECORDING OF IT FOR ME, I WOULD BE SPIRITUALLY ENDEBTED TO YOU FOR THE REST OF MY SOUL EXISTANCE. PERIOD. Orbital- Belfast The track that makes me cry in lonely ecstacy... The Orb- Blue Room The Orb- Towers of Dub The Orb- Gala Ultramarine- Lights in my brain Messiah- Temple of Dreams (I don't care how old it is...) Zero Zero- World Famous anyway, some tracks that epitomize my feelings, right about now... ;) lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... ...it's the only way. S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Wonka Beats Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 17:10:55 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i have it, too, and yes, i looooove the Aquastep track, along with all the others... :) lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: German clubs (fwd) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:04:48 MST Laura: > Adam said that the RAVERS were a lot more knowledgeable about the music, not > "the German public" as your friend Sasha stated. I wasn't quoting my friend, I was quoting Sasha from KMFDM. > Furthermore, you've never ever been to an East Coast rave, have you? Who said I was slagging the East Coast raves? I was slagging Adam X's equating German clubs with the end-all be-all. > likes of you, Jon D., and Mike W. insinuating that what we have here is > somehow "not real." We have our problems, but we also have our moments of > transcendent glory.) Your problems seem to all be descendant from Bones & Co. telling everyone else what is *real*. If I did travel back east (which will probably be this summer), I doubt I'd spend money on a Adam X/F. Bones event due to the opinions given by people on this list. As for "insinuating" something, I'd like examples Laura. I've always tried to be supportive and helpful in any case. How many people outside of your area ordered your badges? You have no idea how often I wear that around here. > Just becuase MUNICH in *mid-1991* was bad it > doesn't mean that BERLIN in *late-1992* is. I should certainly hope it is better than what I saw, but they were certainly missing the industrial boat in *mid-1991*. Nobody had heard of Ministry, RevCo, FLA, or even Front 242. I asked every DJ in each club to play some Microchip League and they all looked at me like I was from outer space. Microchip League, KMFDM, Neubauten and other GERMAN bands weren't anywhere to be found in clubs or record stores. From recent reports, U96 is the only techno band getting club play where I went. Maybe Berlin is different, but I was highly disappointed (musically) in what I saw in Germany. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:46:33 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: more top 10 techno For what it's worth, here's my top 10 ravey tunes...(in no particular order) 1) "Running Out of Time" - Digital Orgasm 2) "Age of Love" - Age of Love 3) "Don't Go" - Awesome 3 4) "Peace and Love-ism" - Sonza da Loop-dee-loop Era 5) "High" - Hyper Go Go 6) "UHF" - UHF (aka Moby) 7) "Give It to Me Baby" - Love Revolution 8) "This Is My House" - The Hypnotist 9) "Pennies From Heaven" - Inner City 10) Motorcrash (Justin Robertson Mix) - Sugarcubes oh! And... 11) "40 Miles" - Congress 12) "Better Days '92" - Jimi Polo AJAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re:rising high:::techno injection From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 19:06:35 EST Yeah, I just got that comp from Christmas. I was very pleasantly surprised! There are some very cool songs on it. Another nice album is Eon's Void Dweller. I wasn't expecting much, but with the exception of "Basket Case" I like it a lot. "Final Warning", and "Electromagnetic Waves" are both cool... Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:07:54 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: MY favorites , forgot a few! I've never heard any 808state before Utd. State 90. So I dont' know what their really old stuff is like. I like what I have. Unfortunatly only about half of Ex:El is any good (sorry if I think Bjork spoils the album), I wasn't too fond of Timebomb either. Laura: you are correct, it's just that with how we constantly down on Bones, it's tough to not get a negative reacting to the name alone at first. I do love the music. digital.druid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:27:54 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: MY favorites , forgot a few! People wrote: >>So last night I was >>listening to the Cubik single and I was reading the production notes and >>all...look what I came across: >> >>*Additonal production by Frankie Bones and Tommy Musto for Northcott/JSE > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >SO WHAT? FRANKIE BONES IS NOT THE DEVIL INCARNATE. If you liked the >way the 808 State stuff sounded without you knowing that Frankie had >worked on it, does that knowlege change your opinion? I hope not. Umm, hate to ruin images or something, but Frankie Bones has been doing music for awhile. Couple years ago there was a group "Musto & Bones". Guess who? They did the Top-40 song, "Dangerous on the Dance Floor" featuring PCP. I think it's on RCA, but I don't fully remember. I picked up the album (on cassette :( ), and the stuff is great, housy sound and female vocals, etc. I also have a 12", white label domestic "Beta-Test III" is written on it, with a Rave side and a Techno side (remember when these where two different things...), it has the same riff that one of the Musto&Bones tracks has on it. I suspect that it is Bones again. Remember, most of the producers in the music have been around for a long time, and have seen the music change (and helped in that change). Techno is the current dance music fad, before this was New Beat. I bet there are many people on this list who don't even know what New Beat is... -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:45:27 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: MY favorites , forgot a few! >I bet there are many people on this list who don't even know what New Beat >is... New Beat? Is that like New Wave? Or New Edge? or the New Republic? Beware of movements with the name "new".... :):):) I prefer to call it "Acid House", Matey! Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 06 Jan 1993 22:24:04 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: argh!!!!!!!! wow.. i can't even watch this..48hours "LSD: the return trip" is on tv now. this is insane. i don't know what to say... i'm speechless..that SHIT they were showing.. it is so sad. being from the east coast.. where the "rave" scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really experienced one of the much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it is SICKENING. it really scares me. i am SO attatched to this scene. so very attatched. and i do not want it to die. i'm sure most of you feel the same way. it's not about anything as shallow as drugs or fashion. it's about a state of mind. and happiness. raves have changed my life...they brought me out of my angst depressed days...and i love them now more than i ever have. what can we do to keep it alive? will there always be a scene with those of us who feel this way? this tv show is going to KILL what's not already dead of the popular rave scene. how do we fight this? where do we go? how can we spread our love if the media and mass culture are only going to chew it up and spit it back at us in an untrue form? i am so fucking hurt right now. .. please reassure me that we will have our "raves" (our TRUE ones) no matter what goes on in popular culture... do not take this away from me. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 22:51:19 -0500 Subject: the weekend... well, looks like i can't make it down to DC, even if there was a way to get down there... new roomie's moving in this weekend. so i think i'm going to the Loft friday nite. who else is goin??? look for my ne-raves badge, and most likely BIG red pants, oh yeah, and a funky hat with a pom pom. see ya there!! donato [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 23:41:00 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Nasa Friday I just called the Nasa hotline, and there was no mention of Friday being free. Sorry for the bad info, but I heard it straight from Mello Mello so I figured it was probably legit. Then again, they just may not want to annouce it over a hotline, thinking everyone who went to the rave will know. Did anyone see 48 hours? It was kind of strange seeing Dan Rather talking about "tripping out on Acid". It totally reminded me of the EBN videos. Overall, I thought the show was typical media fluff. Ciamac. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 0:00:27 EST > wow.. i can't even watch this..48hours "LSD: the return trip" is on tv now. You should have stuck it out. It turned out not to be the complete hatchet job it looked like it was going to be. After the initial segment, they didn't mention raving any more (and they made no direct reference to X at all). They weren't all that nice to LSD, but to their credit, they did do a segment on a guy who was apparently cured of alcoholism 27 years ago with one LSD trip under controlled conditions. They also did segments on people who were permanently hallucinating after having tripped 500+ times, some parents who tripped doing the "just say no" thing with their kids, the obligatory Timothy Leary spot, the obligatory deadhead spot, and a thing about a guy who got ten years in a federal penitentiary for selling LSD *once* (his profit: $200) to a friend of his who turned out to be a DEA agent. (There's no parole for a federal prison sentence, ever, BTW.) I can't say I was pleased with the whole thing, but it wasn't the same kind of unbridled assassination like Dateline NBC did on homeopathy a couple weeks ago. At least the segment on the kid going to jail was sympathetic -- they made the DEA look like the predators they are, by showing them dodging "what about Medellin" sorts of questions with the standard "It's agin' the law, don't do the crime if you can't do the time" bullshit. > what can we do to keep it alive? Just keep doing what we're doing. We didn't have the mainstream's permission to start doing this, and we don't have to start asking for it now. > how can we spread our love if the media and mass culture are only going to > chew it up and spit it back at us in an untrue form? Develop a new mass base of non-couch-potato(e), non-"reality show" types who aren't so easily taken in by sensationalist media. Those who are receptive to the vibe will catch it. And the fake vibes currently pro- duced by mass media (from Geraldo to Falwell to Reagan) are still pretty easy to spot. Keep your senses open. > please reassure me that we will have our "raves" (our TRUE ones) no matter > what goes on in popular culture... Reread "The Culture Industry Reconsidered" by Adorno, and you'll feel better. -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:28:40 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (The Days Of Swine And Roses) Subject: address On the new badges, it should be the gnu address.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:50:22 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (The Days Of Swine And Roses) Subject: Re: 48 hours / LSD:the return Trip I watched the 48 hours show, and I'm watching it AGAIN ( taped it for sample bait). I'm looking at the show from an objetive point of view; I don't think the show portrayed it as negative as people are making it out to be. They were exteremly open about it. They cited the dangers of the drug, showed cases where it helped, and overall, they weren't as facist as dave told me they were.. The laws governing use of LSD _are_ facist as hell, sending a poor kid to jail for selling $200 worth of LSD.. geesh. and they include the weight of the paper in your crime. god.. I'm going to put up a transcript up of the show, if anyone wants to read it.. (got lots of typing to do) Taylor wrote: >what can we do to keep it alive? > >will there always be a scene with those of us who feel this way? > >this tv show is going to KILL what's not already dead of the popular >rave scene. To keep it alive, we just continue along, and we don't allow ourselves to be lost in the drugs. The scene will always be here, no matter what the music, so long as we support it and ourselves. I doubt the shows going to kill anything, just have the mommies and the daddies keep their kids at home. It'll hardly affect us college people. It may spawn a media crackdown on raves, and give the DEA a bit of fodder to attack the rave scene with, but I don't see much harm coming from the show. It's information that was available in the 60's, except the sensationlism was far worse back then, because they didn't understand, and scare tactics were all they had to go on. --john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 01:53:33 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (The Days Of Swine And Roses) Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!!! Once again Ed has said what I wanted to say in a more awake, eloquent fashion. :) I tottally agree. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 07 Jan 1993 03:16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: The Media and Us.. Taylor wrote: >do not take this away from me The media's shallow coverage of counter-cultural scenes cannot take what we have away from us. The reason the media is so superficial in its reporting is because it needs to appeal to a very wide spectrum of people (ie. the general public). After all, the media is a business just like any other, and must function as such. It can't report on issues which fall beyond the understandng (or the acceptance) of the masses. This condition will exist as long as there are human beings around who are recipients, and who passively take part and fail to question what they are told. If you take a look at what we have, and break it down into its most basic elements, you'll find that our scene is nothing more than human beings warming up to one another under no pretenses, with the help of music. The drugs are an accessory. Drugs have been accessories to various scenes for many years.. Our scene is based upon human interaction. Can they take that away?! The media just does not understand what we're doing, and that's the problem. Our scene isn't based upon something illicit that the law can take away, or something finite that can be consumed, or something timely and fleeting which can become obsolete or fade. It's based on us, and our love for each other and for our music. If you look at all of this shit going on around us, we really need this. ..So if people don't understand, or are emotionally unable to take part, then I feel sorry for them. Everyone is welcome in my scene, as long as I am welcome in theirs. And if this - friendship between many people who were once complete strangers - is something that the media fails to understand, then fuck 'em loud and clear.. [Side Note: This is my cynical, rebellious side and does not usually come out unprovoked.. :) ] Love Out, Darshan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 02:56:45 CST From: alk@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Al Kolman) Subject: Raves in the Midwest Peeps, Here in Minnesota, we don't get too much on the side of Raves (mostly because the downtown Minneapolis warehouses are impossible to rent even though they're empty) , so I was wondering if anyone knows of anyone into the scene in the Twin Cities. There are a few clubs which are pretty delectable, but nothing comparing to what's been described here, and the clubs must close at 1am (state law - bar time and all). Please leave mail to alk@pnet51.orb.mn.org Peace & Music Al Kolman Determinism is a proper subset of Free Will Internet: alk@pnet51.orb.mn.org [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 07 Jan 1993 03:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Spinning.. I finally spun for the first time tonight at a local club, filling in for a very late friend. It was FUN! There weren't that many people there, so I just played acid, trance, and tribal music for about an hour.. At some points I thought that my shit was weirding some people out - but I had fun mixing and stuff. I can't wait to do it again.. I'm currently seeking seeking patrons and generous souls who will contribute to the Darshan record-buying fund.. Any takers? Darshan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:38:28 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: 48 hours / LSD:the return Trip The show seemed to use the 60's LSD scare tactics about raves. "[THE RAVES] AND THEY'RE COMMING TO YOUR TOWN SOON" - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:45:17 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Best of '92 Here's my best of '92 list. Best Rave: Sputnik II (Wayne, NJ) (Great space, Lots of Energy) Runner-up: Catastrophic 4 (Washington, DC) (When DC discovered raving) Worst Rave: Storm (Manhattan) (tie) Catastrophic - Digital boy (Washington) Best MicroRave: reQuest (Providence, RI) Most Mediocre rave: Future (Brandywine, MD) Best DJ: Scott Henry Best Hardcore DJ: Lenny Dee Best Live Act: Moby Most promising rave scene for '93: Baltimore Best light show: Catastrophic Quaker rave (Cheverly, MD) - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:43:39 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!!! On Wed, 6-Jan-1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU) said: > wow.. i can't even watch this..48hours "LSD: the return trip" is on tv now. > this is insane. i don't know what to say... i'm speechless..that SHIT they > were showing.. it is so sad. being from the east coast.. where the "rave" > scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really experienced one of the > much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it is SICKENING. I only saw a little of this, did they mention R*** ? I just saw a couple of interviews and then the anchor-person said, "This has not reached epidemic proportions...YET!" Don't let it bother you...it's Top40 media. Laugh at it (and denounce it at every turn). It was so funny to see the anchor person say that...as if he was breaking a new story...as if he was informing the world of the emergence of THE NEW COUNTER CULTURE!! Get a grip, TV Man ! The counterculture never "went away". There is no return or re-emergence!! We have been here all along, it's just that you tv people didn't "cover" it so for all intents and purposes, we did not exist in the "popular" sense. Ah...they dress funny anyway! 8-) tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:00:43 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: The Media and Us.. On Thu, 7-Jan-1993, DJESRANI@COLGATEU.BITNET (DJESRANI@COLGATEU.BITNET) said: > > Taylor wrote: > > >do not take this away from me > > The media's shallow coverage of counter-cultural scenes cannot take what we > have away from us. The reason the media is so superficial in its reporting is > because it needs to appeal to a very wide spectrum of people (ie. the general > public). After all, the media is a business just like any other, and must > function as such. It can't report on issues which fall beyond the understandng > (or the acceptance) of the masses. This condition will exist as long as there > are human beings around who are recipients, and who passively take part and > fail to question what they are told. This is a very well writen letter. You should send it to the TV people. Do they have a letters from viewers section on the show? > ..So if people don't understand, or are emotionally unable to take part, > then I feel sorry for them. Everyone is welcome in my scene, as long as I > am welcome in theirs. I usually say, "Everyone is welcome in my scene EVEN IF they do not allow me in theirs." tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kesma@e5.ijs.si (Vladimir Neskovic) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:26:39 +0100 Subject: Top 10 Here's my favorites 1.Instruments of darkness Art of noise 2.Das Boot U96 3.Injected witha poison Praga Khan 4.Cubik 808 State 5.What Time is Love (Original) KLF 6.Who the fuck is Mitsotakis Trycho 909 7.Taste ON TRANCE 8.I sit on acid Lords of acid 9.Heavy Comunist Preasure GodGarten 10.Let the bass kick(Remix) Egma DJ Kesma (Macedonia(Europe)) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 7 Jan 93 09:29:59 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Cybertribe Gathering Here's a question. Why are we trying to put on a rave, when everybody is complaining about the masses diluting the scene ? Now is truly the time to delve deeper U N D E R G R O U N D. It's getting stuffy up top ! Why not a micro rave or something similiar ? You know, start small ! It's not quantitative, its the groove ! I'd probably go into E-X-T-C conipitions if just the people from the net came and displayed their talents. I don't know everyone, BUT I do know that dieselBoy jamz, John jamz, Talyor jamz, Laura jamz, Ed jamz, Body release jamz. Shit, I could go on, but you get the GIF. Peace, love and Cybernetic Implantz. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:29:04 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: A FOAF Survey... OK, now it's my turn to get mad about the '48 Hours' thing.... I'm not going to bother repeating all that bothered me about it (ESPECIALLY about the rave segment), but I would like to clear something up. I am neither pro nor against the use of illegal substances (so don't flame me!), but I do think '48 Hours' was mistaken when they said that 70-80 percent of people at a rave are on some kind of illegal substance. I REALLY think that's exagerated (probably some media hype, etc.) Here's the question....Think back to the last rave that you (OK, OK, that your FOAF) went to. Were you (sorry, 'they') using an illegal substance at the time? AJAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:02 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: German clubs (fwd) Pete: >I was slagging Adam X's >equating German clubs with the end-all be-all. Adam X was not equating German clubs with the end all and be all. He said the at the clubs there were better than the clubs here, that they were more like the raves here. A better (but more wordy way) of phrasing this is "the clubs that he went to in Germany in the Berlin area in December of 1992 were better than the clubs he'd been to around that same time period in the part of the US he'd been to (namely New York), and were more like the raves he'd been to in the part of the US he'd been to (namely North East)." Do we have to talk like lawyers to avoid stupid arguments around here? :-) :-) >> [laura] likes of you, Jon D., and Mike W. insinuating that what we have >> [laura] is somehow "not real." We have our problems, but we also have our >> [laura] moments of transcendent glory.) > >Your problems seem to all be descendant from Bones & Co. telling everyone >else what is *real*. > [...] >As for "insinuating" something, I'd >like examples Laura. Okay, I will. And I also apologize if I underservedly implicated anyone with my "insinuation" statement. First off, there are the repeated comments from people on the West Coast (in alt.rave and on this list) to people in other parts of the US, "well, maybe you've never been to a *real* rave." The last time this comment was made was by Mike W. to John Adams in reference to John's question about what "vibe" is. Now, John's been to just about every rave there is in the New York/Providence/Boston/Portland area. So to me the "real rave statement" implies that "real raves (TM)" don't exist out here. There have been comments (I don't recall by who) that the New York scene is somehow "behind" or "wrong" because it's not going toward progressive house. And then there's your comment above "Your problems seem to all be descendant from Bones & Co. telling everyone else what is *real*. " Do you think we're so stupid out here that we let someone who repeatedly spouts as much crap as Frankie tell us what is real or not? Of course you don't think that, but this is what my reaction was when I read that sentence -- "Give us a break. Some people actually enjoy hardcore." Regardless, Bones & Co. do not throw every rave on the East Coast, they're just the most vocal about what they do -- hell, _Under One Sky_ is essentially their fanzine. Anyway, most people with their heads screwed on right realize that the whole Storm thing turned from some really execellent raves (if you like, you can go back to the ne-raves archives and grab John's reviews of the May and June Storm Raves) into a money-making ego-propelling chariot. And now the chariot is overturned. It will be interesting to see what happens next. >How many people outside of your area ordered your badges? You have no >idea how often I wear that around here. What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? But since you've asked, about one third of the badge orders have been from people on ne-raves who have more than a 5 hour drive to any of the North East "rave centers." All that demonstrates is that ne-ravers support ne-raves (yay!). >Maybe Berlin is different, but I was highly disappointed (musically) in what I >saw in Germany. Now, this statement I can agree with. It happens here in the US, too -- back when I was really into "industrial-dance" (1988 - 1989) I'd hear it all the time in clubs in Austin, Texas, but when I went up to New York it was house house house. I hated house at the time . . . different areas have different ways of doing things. If someone really wants to bring progressive house to New York, it will happen. In fact, I think Onionz could do such a thing what with his new place on Long Island, Lay-A-Way. Similarly, if someone really wants to bring hardcore back to Boston, it will happen. In fact, I think Sava could so such a thing if he gets his new place in Boston. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:14 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: address John wrote: >On the new badges, it should be the gnu address.. Yeah, but I made up a WHOLE LOT of badge "blanks" a while ago before the address got changed, so I'm going to use those up first. I have about 40 blanks left with the old address . . . if I hadn't gotten as far as cutting them all out and glueing them together, I'd start over, but . . . . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:33:18 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Minor Question Just something small I would like to ask. Why do people insist on spelling RAVE as R***? Why do people insist on spelling FUCK as F**K, and SHIT as SH*T? Or Why do they spell HARDCORE as H******E? :) Actually, what is this asterick stuff anyways? It gets slightly painful to read a message with the word rave all over it. It gets worse when the word is spelled r***. Just a minor complaint cause I have to work 9-5 now, and I don't like getting up in the mornings that often.... -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:41 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Best of '92 I like this game, Rob, I'll play!! Best Rave: Life (Worcester, MA) (Amazing trance sets by Tim Ryan, Dave Trance, Josh Wink, and Dante, wonderful easygoing space, snow the next morning) Runner-up: Sputink II (Wayne, NJ) (I LOVED that emulator. Standing in the cone was like being in my idea of heaven. Good vibe, first time meeting many ne-ravers.) Worst Rave: Storm (Staten Island) (It was in the mud in the cold. At least the July one that got busted in Manhatten had the redeeming values of a funky impromptu beach party, a beautiful sunrise, a personal apology from Frankie Bones, and meeting John) Best MicroRave: John Adam's acid house party in August, Boston, MA. Most Mediocre rave: Sputnik I (Newburgh, NY) (Too much bad hardcore, the pre-Lenny D Disintegrator played, and someone was selling bad X so lots of people got sick.) Best DJ: Oshin Best Hardcore DJ: Lenny Dee Best Live Act: Equinox (I'd actually want to put Toxic Beat Box here, but I saw them in a club and not at a rave). Most promising rave scene for '93: Baltimore (I've only been to one rave in Baltimore, and that was back in June, but all the reports I've seen lead me to agree with this choice.) Best light show: Sputnik II (Wayne, NJ) (Okay, so they only had 2 Intellabeams and that emulator, but oh my god it was BEAUTIFUL. It was the first time I'd ever seen the rainbow color wheel used on the I-beam, and I said above how much I love the emulator.) Worst light show: Bold II (Worcester, MA) (The incessant use of high-intensity DataFlash strobes made my eyes hurt and made me nauseous.) Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: New Beat >New Beat? Is that like New Wave? Or New Edge? or the New Republic? > >Beware of movements with the name "new".... > >:):):) > >I prefer to call it "Acid House", Matey! > > Brian Ahhh, Acid House was popular, my mistake. But Acid House was not New Beat. Acid House had a lot of analog noises (that are coming back) in it, and had a pop beat to it, and had BPM's from around 115 - 128. Popular Acid House (or Euro-Acid House) tunes could be: Baby Ford's "Oochy Koochy" S-Express "Theme from..." Humanoid "Stacker:Humanoid" (Original version is in the Euro style) Dmob "Aciied" (Varient on the Euro-Acid House) New Beat came from the quest for bass. People discovered that if you took a 45rpm record and played it at 33rpm+8% that you could get massive bass sounds from records (this is kinda the opposite of what BreakBeat is like now :) ). Obviously this would also slow the record down. Bands started creating songs that sounded like this to began with. Antler Subway was a major contributer to this faction of dance music. Praga Kahn and the rest of Belgium crew got involved and tons of records were released. The range of BPM's on this was from around 100 (not very common), up to the 110-125 range. I can't remember the names of some of the groups right now, but I'm sure someone will be able to post some of them (Mike W...). (Side note, the original Nitzer Ebb's "The Alarm" was supposed to be an original New Beat track. The 12" is at 45rpm, and you would slow it down to get a much different sound.) -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 88.fm WRCT Pittsburgh [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:08:16 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Minor Question On Thu, 7-Jan-1993, md3b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew Donald Drown) said: > Why do people insist on spelling RAVE as R***? Why do people insist on > spelling FUCK as F**K, and SHIT as SH*T? Or Why do they spell HARDCORE > as H******E? :) S*rry. I wi*l spe*l things corre*tly from now *n. 8*) t*dd _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Minor Question Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 11:07:03 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Matthew Donald Drown: > > Why do people insist on spelling RAVE as R***? Why do people insist on > spelling FUCK as F**K, and SHIT as SH*T? Or Why do they spell HARDCORE > as H******E? :) I D**T K**W WHY! 8) Have you noticed that the most censured word is rave (3 *), then fuck (2 *) and last shit (1 *). So instead of saying fuck you to someone, i guess it is better to say hey you ravehead... 8) Seriously, in Montreal, most "raves" are called wharehouse parties. The only club that use rave without the word techno (techno rave refers to the music, not the party) is at Big Bang and it is called rave wave... So the r-word (no *!) is rarely used. More techno rave or just techno (which i prefer). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 11:12:53 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: New Beat > From md3b+@andrew.cmu.edu Thu Jan 7 11:02:04 1993 > the 110-125 range. I can't remember the names of some of the groups > right now, but I'm sure someone will be able to post some of them (Mike > W...). Any of the HardBeat (1-4) comps on Complet Kaos will give you a good sampling of New Beat and the whole Oliver Adams, Praga Khan thingy. See Xdzebra#1 for a HB#4 review. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: New Beat Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 11:37:14 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Matthew Donald Drown: > > Ahhh, Acid House was popular, my mistake. But Acid House was not New Beat. Very true. > Acid House had a lot of analog noises (that are coming back) in it, and > had a pop beat to it, and had BPM's from around 115 - 128. Popular Acid And of course the ever present "acid fx" on voice, guit and even drums... > New Beat came from the quest for bass. People discovered that if you > took a 45rpm record and played it at 33rpm+8% that you could get massive Now everybody has a use for Prodigy's 155 BPM stuff... 8) > bass sounds from records (this is kinda the opposite of what BreakBeat > is like now :) ). Obviously this would also slow the record down. > Bands started creating songs that sounded like this to began with. > The range of BPM's on this was from around 100 (not very common), up to > the 110-125 range. I can't remember the names of some of the groups > right now, but I'm sure someone will be able to post some of them (Mike > W...). Pick a number, 101, erotic dissidents, Lords of acid (i sit on acid) etc... KLF is NOT newbeat. It has much more roots in hip hop on one side and ambient house on the other... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 11:43:22 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: New Beat > Antler Subway was a major contributer to this faction of dance music. The oldest New Beat that I have is actually on Subway Dance. I'm not certain, but I think Antler and Subway merged as a result of the popularity of the early New Beat comps. My favorite comps are New Beat Take 2 and New Beat: A Belgian Dance Revolution. Another notable is This Is The New Beat (the one with Gorbachev on the front), on a non-Antler label which I can't remember right now. I may have been the only DJ in NJ playing Erotic Dissidents and Jade 4U along side Manufacture when I spun mostly industrial dance. Then someone played "Spice" by Eon (on a white label two years ago), and I was hooked on this new stuff they were calling "techno"... -Ed Move your ass [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 07 Jan 1993 11:58:12 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: best of 92 why are you putting "best dj" and "best hardcore dj" in two separate slots. is hardcore not as valid as anything else? why not.."best trance dj".. "best breakbeat dj"... it would be much more interesting to see the "BEST dj".. regardless of what they play.. sorry.. just griping..i had to reformat my harddrive last night and i lost a shitload of data...i'm in a bad mood.. and, hey, if anyone out there has any true type fonts.. (or postscript screen and printer fonts.. so i can fontmonger them into true type)...let me know. i'm trying to find everything that i lost again. trying to rebuild my life.. :| >>taylor. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 07 Jan 1993 12:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: acid house vs. new beat another note is that new beat is very DENSE.. while acid house is often (WAS, in the case of original acid) just a 303 and 707 or 808...new beat used more "Industrial" type sounds.. and sounded very "belgian". >>taylor.prototype.device [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 11:53:51 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Best of '92 > I like this game, Rob, I'll play!! Me too... > Best Rave: Life (Worcester, MA) > Runner-up: Sputink II (Wayne, NJ) > Worst Rave: Storm (Staten Island) What Laura said... Best MicroRave: Laura's pre-Sputnik party. Most Mediocre rave: Storm (Queens, Sept.) Not really bad, but really spartan, and it took too long to get in. Best DJ: Mundy (even though I only heard him at Thunderground) Best Hardcore DJ: Lenny Dee Best Live Act: None. I haven't been terribly impressed with anyone I've heard live at a rave. None of them come close to N-Joi at the Limelight. Most promising rave scene for '93: Hartford -- still nice and deep under- ground, no sign of big commercial invasion yet. A little too club-oriented, still, but that could change. Best light show: Sputnik II (Wayne, NJ) I'd rather see fewer lights operated correctly than a whole truss full of them on "cheezy autopilot". Worst light show: Storm (queens) The main floor had four micros on "cheezy autopilot". -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:04:44 -0500 From: Digital Druid catch up time: best of 92: Best Rave: Milky rave - Baltimore if there was ever a rave that had all of the best things that a rave could be - this was it. The music, the vibe, the people - it was unparalleled. Worst Rave: Digital Boy rave in DC. Everything broke, it closed early, and missed meeting all of my friends. Most Mediocre Rave: New Years catasrophic rave it was nice, but nice shouldn't be a word to describe a rave. Best DJ: Dante 'nuff said Best Live Act: Moby but then again, I'm a mobyhead. (did I mention he called today?) Best Light Show: Raves 'R' Us When the laser passed through the big piece of while silk, it was one of the most gorgeous effects I had ever seen. From then on I was hooked on lasers. Best Rave Flier: WonderLand I know the rave is on the 30th, but I got the flier in 92. Top 10 Techno-ish songs (in no particular order) Moby - Go esp. soundtrack mix GTO - elevation Intermix - Voices Opus III - It's a fine day Ultramarine - Sky Clad InfoSoc - Still Here Prodigy - Everybody in the Place Moby - Slight Return Hippy/Homeboy/Funky Dred - Total Confusion The Orb - A huge ever growing pulsating brain that rules from the centre of the ultraworld (the longer the mix the better :) digital.druid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: New Beat Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:06:35 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Ed Horch: > > The oldest New Beat that I have is actually on Subway Dance. I'm > not certain, but I think Antler and Subway merged as a result of > the popularity of the early New Beat comps. My favorite comps are > New Beat Take 2 and New Beat: A Belgian Dance Revolution. Another > notable is This Is The New Beat (the one with Gorbachev on the > front), on a non-Antler label which I can't remember right now. I have a press release here at my house, from Kaos: "New beat is a musical phenomenon born in belgium from a mixture of electronicbodymusic and european dance music. It originated from the A.B. Club in antwerp where DJs began playing electronic dance music pitched down to 33 1/3 +8 RPM. The first producers to pick up on this were Morton, Sherman, and Belluchi with move your ass and feel the beat" the first Erotic Dissidents single. That became a hit immediately following its release. Antler/Subway records was the first label to specialize in this new style of music, releasing over 100 releases in under a year on their subway and kaos labels." Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 07 Jan 1993 12:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: ... Ed (ebh@mink.mt.att.com), Actually, back in '88 I can remember Scott Richmond playing stuff like 'Mandate my Ass', and 'MESH'.. What else.. 'Jack to the Sound of the Underground' by Hithouse.. 'Worlds Apart' by Seperate Minds.. 'Um Sturtz Yetz' (sp?) - Robotiko Rejecto, 'Habiba' - Bappi Lahiri.. All kinds of good shit.. 'Body to Body'/'Acid to Body'.. He played on 91.3 WVKR (Vassar College Radio) in Poughkeepsie, and he still does.. That was when I was way too young to go to any clubs, so I just listened to his show and bugged out on the music. It was wonderful, and is pretty much responsible for my present taste in dance music. God, I love that old shit! Darshan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:31:26 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: best of 92 I used tow categories for DJ because I'm not a fan of hardcore Techno, but I'm a fan of Lenny Dee's hardcore. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:39 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: best of 92 >why not.."best trance dj".. "best breakbeat dj"... Best varied DJ: Oshin. Sure, he mainly spins trance these days, but he owns and has played everything from freestyle to old house to ambient trance to hardcore (although he doesn't play freestyle at raves). He's been doing the DJ thing for 11 years now. Best trance DJ: Dante Best progressive house DJ: Onionz Best hardcore DJ: Lenny D Best DJ from the Brooklyn Groove Posse: Jimmy Crash. Frankie should watch out for his little brother. Best DJ I have shared pizza with: James Christian Best varied DJ to have ever spun in my kitchen: Jim Barnes, aka "Jughead" Best breakbeat DJ to have ever spun in my kitchen: dieselBoy Best trance DJ to have ever spun in my kitchen: No straight trance DJs have ever spun in my kitchen. Ditto for hardcore. I guess that's what happens when you put all of Ed's great DJ stuff in my kitchen, and turn varied ne-ravers who don't have any of their own records yet loose on it for an entire weekend. For those of you who think I'm kidding about the kitchen bit, please come to my next party (whenever that is) and see for yourself. If you can force me, Taylor, and John away from the mixer, you can even spin for yourself. Best GrooveNet DJ (varied): Slip Best GrooveNet DJ ("Age of Love" addickt): Taylor.808 Best dressed DJ: Onionz. He is soooo cool, in a collected groovy way. He wears jeans and a t-shirt but manages to look like a fashion plate. But not in an obnoxious way. Sigh. Okay, I'm sure you all hate me now. :-) Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:31:14 EST > It seems that the names are already being decided upon, and that tsines > is going ahead and doing what he wants without responding to two separ- > ate messages that I sent, two days apart. I am not defending Todd, but he does work two jobs (sometimes 3) and has been putting in mucho hours at Kinky's lately. We're trying to get my old Apple //e and modem to work at his house but so far no luck; he can only log in from the computer labs and usually his time there is limited. Okay, so maybe I am defending him. I admit he did jump the gun on the design issue, doing up a "bit rave" flyer before people had had a chance to discuss it, but don't flame him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. > It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is > not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and > people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, The problem is not your being one of the 'wrong people' or new to the rave scene or whatever. Your newness to the scene is irrelevant, and most of the people on the list are not so judgemental as to say 'fuck him, he's a geek, no REAL raver would be so democratic.' > perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. I feel bad for the people who haven't checked their mail lately or are away on winter break, for some of them may have had some quality input on the matter. It's not too late, actually, we could still bounce around some new ideas. INTERFACE just popped up as an alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... > One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you > (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting > one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? ...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. The spontaneity of this is the best part -- we are getting things organized so quickly that there WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. On Monday there was a proposal for our own rave. By Tuesday people were volunteering equipment. By Wednesday Mars had secured a venue. By Thursday a flood of possible names had poured in. Over the next few days people were already doing up flyers, offering to play live, and 'deciding' upon a name. I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be diminished. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:09:58 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: boston axis/venus club schedule for january the guest DJ's for venus de milo thurday (Groov-e) and Axis on friday (Vision) are as follows: (not: dj's spinning at both locations) jan 7/8 dale charles (san diego) jan 14/15 333 mgee (the loft/ england) jan 21/22 ONIONZ (long island) jan 28 at venus overload (portalnd, maine) jan 29 at Axis tim ryan i'll se you there. -camper. p.s. the venus flyer says "only for the heartstrong" - cool, eh? ^^^^^ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english why waste your time? @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ him. I admit he did jump the gun on the design issue, doing up a "bit rave" flyer before people had had a chance to discuss it, but don't flame him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. > It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is > not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and > people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, The problem is not your being one of the 'wrong people' or new to the rave scene or whatever. Your newness to the scene is irrelevant, and most of the people on the list are not so judgemental as to say 'fuck him, he's a geek, no REAL raver would be so democratic.' > perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. I feel bad for the people who haven't checked their mail lately or are away on winter break, for some of them may have had some quality input on the matter. It's not too late, actually, we could still bounce around some new ideas. INTERFACE just popped up as an alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... > One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you > (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting > one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? ...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. The spontaneity of this is the best part -- we are getting things organized so quickly that there WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. On Monday there was a proposal for our own rave. By Tuesday people were volunteering equipment. By Wednesday Mars had secured a venue. By Thursday a flood of possible names had poured in. Over the next few days people were already doing up flyers, offering to play live, and 'deciding' upon a name. I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be diminished. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Top 10 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:12:57 EST Ah, why not... But i must first say that an all time techno top 10 is an almost impossible thing to do, and most of the time it's what songs you remember the most (and there is a reason for that). Having said that, here's my top 10 techno songs (not in any order whatsoever): N-JOI Malfunction Moby Go Eon Spice Prodigy Charly (ex-aequo with Pandemonium) Adamski Overkiller (part 2) Shamen Move any mountain - progen (rising high) Beltram Energy flash (Is it the name?) Cubik 22 Night in motion (battleplan) Art of Noise Instruments of Darkness (Prodigy mix) Future sound of London Papua New Guinea And now let me tell you why: N-JOI: Malfunction and Techno gangsters have always been used in my jingles for my radio show, so they have a special meaning. And it really made my day when at a rave the DJ played them both after he knew i was there... Moby: The first time i heard it, i said what a great tune. Of course, if i had heard the Twin peaks soundtrack, maybe my opinion would have been different... Eon: It could have been Quadrophonia from Quadrophonia or Das boot from U96. The story here is that i got hooked to a simple pattern of notes with a particular sound (like the video-pong style sound in Quadrophonia or the sonar ping in U96). Guess it's the simplicity that makes it great. Prodigy: Prodigy are great. I could have put almost anything they made. 'nuff said. Adamski: Killer was a great song, that Seal later rerecorded with Trevor Horn. No credits were given to Adamski who made the song what it is. When Adamski released the song in 1989 he also released two (almost) instrumental versions sans Seal. Overkiller Part 2 is the coolest techno song ever made. Shamen: i collect everything from Shamen, so it's a natural... Beltram: I'm not sure about the title cause it was stolen at a party a long time ago. It was from the first vinyl he released. Cubik 22: with that i discovered that techno could be underground and complex and danceable... Art of Noise: i have always been listening to AoN. So it was an obvious choice, and to top it, it's the prodigy remix... 2 bands for the price of 1! Future Sound Of London: I was the first to play that in Montreal, and as soon as i put that on air, phones were ringing like crazy! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:31:14 EST > It seems that the names are already being decided upon, and that tsines > is going ahead and doing what he wants without responding to two separ- > ate messages that I sent, two days apart. I am not defending Todd, but he does work two jobs (sometimes 3) and has been putting in mucho hours at Kinky's lately. We're trying to get my old Apple //e and modem to work at his house but so far no luck; he can only log in from the computer labs and usually his time there is limited. Okay, so maybe I am defending him. I admit he did jump the gun on the design issue, doing up a "bit rave" flyer before people had had a chance to discuss it, but don't flame him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. > It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is > not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and > people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, The problem is not your being one of the 'wrong people' or new to the rave scene or whatever. Your newness to the scene is irrelevant, and most of the people on the list are not so judgemental as to say 'fuck him, he's a geek, no REAL raver would be so democratic.' > perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. I feel bad for the people who haven't checked their mail lately or are away on winter break, for some of them may have had some quality input on the matter. It's not too late, actually, we could still bounce around some new ideas. INTERFACE just popped up as an alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... > One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you > (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting > one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? ...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. The spontaneity of this is the best part -- we are getting things organized so quickly that there WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. On Monday there was a proposal for our own rave. By Tuesday people were volunteering equipment. By Wednesday Mars had secured a venue. By Thursday a flood of possible names had poured in. Over the next few days people were already doing up flyers, offering to play live, and 'deciding' upon a name. I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be diminished. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Top 10 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:26:43 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Vladimir Neskovic: > > 6.Who the fuck is Mitsotakis Trycho 909 What is it? A local who the fuck is James Brown? Reminds me of Brian Mulroney is dead Mila (a group from Toronto) > 10.Let the bass kick(Remix) Egma Is this the songs that take the sample from NJOI malfunction? > DJ Kesma (Macedonia(Europe)) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:19:41 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ Extra Terminals }== Howdy: Ok, this is the deal... I have one (maybe two or three) older terminal which can be hooked up to a modem and used for e-mail and whatnot. I do not need it, for I have a Mac. I would like to offer it to anyone who wants it. My asking price: $00.00 (ie, free) It works fine. If you can pick it up in CT (outside Hartford) then GREAT! Or, if you can pay for postage, then I'll send it. First come, first serve. Please don't ask for it unless you really need it. I am offering this to ne-ravers cause I know many of y'all have had trouble w/ your machines. tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:04:23 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Terminal.. Dante has been looking for a way to get onto the net.Perhaps with one of these teminals he might be able to do it.Anyone have a cheap modem..or I'll donate an old 1200 Baud Ven Tel I have.. But I live in California, he might need some local (i.e. New York area) tech support. -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:11:22 PST From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: New Beat > The range of BPM's on this was from around 100 (not very common), up to > the 110-125 range. I can't remember the names of some of the groups > right now, but I'm sure someone will be able to post some of them (Mike > W...). Some of my fave New Beat tracks were: T.99: "Invisible Sensuality" and "Slidy" Taste of Sugar: "Taste of Sugar" and "Golden Shower" Beat Professor: "Beat Professor" Jarvic 7: "Bush of Love" G Force: "Spicy" Erotic Dissidents: "Move Your Ass" Dirty Harry: "D-Bop" Moments Of Ecstasy: "You And Me" Cold Sensation: "Ghostdance" All of these hover in the 108-116 bpm range, except for "Invisible Sensuality", which is 100 bpm. The T.99 tracks sound nothing like "Anasthasia". "Slidy" had a real lame rap in it (just like "Anasthasia"), and I usually played the instrumental version, which mixed amazingly well with "Addiction" by Skinny Puppy. "Invisible Sensuality" is a cool low-tempo instrumental piece, though the digital synths definitely make it sound a bit dated today. Actually, most New Beat hasn't aged too well. Most of it sounds pretty cheesy when compared to today's techno. Also, "I Sit on Acid" by the Lords of Acid and "Pump Up the Jam" were both released on New Beat record labels, but I don't really consider either of them to be New Beat. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 07 Jan 1993 16:23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Terminal.. hey! i'll give dante the old NYC tech support if he comes over with his 1200's and crates and let's me play! :) seriously..i can help him. i'm sure laura can too.. actually, laura's better than i am at this.. but i know the basiks. >>taylor.hypnotik.blue [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:33:50 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Terminal.. On Thu, 7-Jan-1993, ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) said: > Dante has been looking for a way to get onto the net.Perhaps with > one of these teminals he might be able to do it.Anyone have a cheap > modem..or I'll donate an old 1200 Baud Ven Tel I have.. > But I live in California, he might need some local (i.e. New York area) > tech support. > -Chris. yea...I can donate the terminal, you throw in the modem...we still need a cord (I think I can find one) I am going to be in New York for the weekend of Jan 23 (three weekends from now...) I could bring it in then. Will anyone be talking to Dante? tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:57:17 PST From: twitch@casa-next1.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wertheim) Subject: German clubs > Nobody had heard of Ministry, > RevCo, FLA, or even Front 242. I asked every DJ in each club to play some > Microchip League and they all looked at me like I was from outer space. > Microchip League, KMFDM, Neubauten and other GERMAN bands weren't anywhere to > be found in clubs or record stores. I was in Germany and Austria in June 1990. When I was at the amusement park in Vienna, they were playing all sorts of German/Belgian/techno/industrial stuff on the PA on one of the big rides. They played "New York, New York" by Microchip League, "Houseman" by Voyou, "Masterhit" by Front 242 and some stuff I didn't recognize. I was very impressed. At the time, Talla 2XLC was DJ-ing at the Dorian Grey club in Frankfurt, which is where a lot of that type of music was played. And today, that Tresor comp would indicate that something similar is going on in Berlin. I'd guess that your friend took you to all the wrong clubs (and amusement parks, for that matter). [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:14:25 PST From: twitch@casa-next1.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wertheim) Subject: the east coast scene (was: German clubs) > (But I do > know what we have here in New York/Boston, and I'm getting mighty sick of the > likes of you, Jon D., and Mike W. insinuating that what we have here is > somehow "not real." We have our problems, but we also have our moments of > transcendent glory.) Regardless of the exact words I used, I was speaking to John Adams in personal email when I said that. What I was saying was that if he doesn't understand what a "vibe" is, then he's never been to a real rave. I was insinuating that what *John* perceives the east coast rave scene to be isn't too impressive. The only other thing I might have said that you could have interpreted in that way probably had something to do with musical taste on the east coast. There is a definite difference in musical tastes between the two coasts. Nine months ago a *lot* of east coast people (a majority that I talked to) told me that they didn't like "Papua New Guinea" (or any of that "lame trance stuff"), yet every person whose musical taste I respected agreed with me and thought that the track was almost godlike. It doesn't mean your scene is "less real" -- it just means that your collective musical taste doesn't thrill me a whole lot. And the converse may also be true. (Hence Matt's opinion's of the Twitch Messiah and Rabbit City mixes. I think I was right. He doesn't agree. Oh well....) (On the other hand, I have heard tapes of Debo and Onionz, and I liked both of them quite a bit.) > Furthermore, you've never ever been to an East Coast rave, have you? Maybe > they're not as loving and cool and whatever as the stuff you create. I haven't been to one of Pete's things either (maybe someday....), but I have noticed that the ratio of the number of good raves to the number of lame raves on the east coast is about the same as it is in San Francisco (assuming that reading sfraves and neraves is a good indication of people's opinions). [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 07 Jan 1993 17:40:08 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Nebula.. Out of curiosity, is anyone going to Nebula on Saturday the 9th? It's right near me, so I'm going to go.. Let me know. Darshan Oh, yeah, and it's only $5.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:42:27 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: this might interest some... Guidelines for interaction with Police, FBI, CIA, DEA, etc... 1. Don't let them in. YOu do not have to give consent to any search of your car, house, or person, unless they have a warrent. Politely refuse and tell them to contact your lawyer. 2. If they have a search warrent ask to see it. Make sure everything is correct. IF they conduct a search, watch them closely, and make sure they do not exceed the boundaries set by the warrent 3. Say Nothing You do not have to answer questions of identify yourself. It is not a crime to refuse to answer questions, even if they have a warrent, although it may make you appear suspicious. Politly refuse and tell them to contact your lawyer. 4. Don't be Intimidated Be polite but firm. They may pretend to have information. Let them rant let them lie, let them make up spories. It means nothing. Do not try to outwit or question them, they are trained in how to obtain information. 5. Keep careful records of everything they say or do. Write everything down. 6. Let others know. Don't go on the defense - get offensive. Go public. Spread the word. Alert others (friends, relatives, coworkers, etc.) and tell them to refuse to cooperate. Put out literature. Contact the media. Demonstrate. 7. If you are arrested, tell the police nothing besides your name and address. Ask to see a lawyer immediatly. Do not talk without one. Anything you say can and will be used against you and others. Make no decisions about your case untill you talk to a lawyer. 8. If you anticipate trouble do not carry address books or any material which may help authorities. Establish security procedures within your group. Keep duplicates of all important materials in a safe place. reprinted from the 12.92/1.93 Urb d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: comparing scenes Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:13:08 MST Mike W: > I haven't been to one of Pete's things either (maybe someday....), but I have > noticed that the ratio of the number of good raves to the number of lame raves > on the east coast is about the same as it is in San Francisco (assuming that > reading sfraves and neraves is a good indication of people's opinions). It is also hard for me to compare myself to what is going on elsewhere. I've been to five raves outside of Utah and four of them sucked. The fifth was the first, Shamen/Moby in the Spruce Goose and people inside the scene there told me it sucked, but I had a good time. People here will come up to me with misleading (as opposed to Net-Truth(tm)) information regarding raves they have been to. "Toontown was GREAT!!! There was a guy spinning on FIVE turntables!", "I just went to a week long rave in New York!" (when was that?), or "I've been to raves all over the world!!" and when pressed with names they have a hard time coming up with any. I get afraid that people are getting sick of my slides, my laser spirographs, or any of the standard ten or so lighting effects that we have available for rent here (my kingdom for an Intellibeam). Yet when you have to turn loads of people away from one event, then they return in spades for the next one, I guess I'm doing something right. Yet I can't shake the feeling that much of our audience would glorify the worst SF or NE rave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Fran says hi.... Hey gang =) I just got a postcard from Fran (fran@bach.udel.edu) who is at this moment back-packing around Europe. He seems to be having great time and I just thought I'd let you all know how he's doing and give him a chance to say hello. He mentioned a couple of mix tapes he'd bought in London too (I'm sure he'll be more than happy to copy then for you all when he gets back =) ...) - aLaN (Fluid) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:07 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: comparing scenes Pete Ashdown wrote: >People here will come up to me with misleading (as opposed to Net-Truth(tm)) >information regarding raves they have been to. "Toontown was GREAT!!! There >was a guy spinning on FIVE turntables!", "I just went to a week long rave in >New York!" (when was that?), or "I've been to raves all over the world!!" No week-long raves in New York . . . but yes, rave hyperbole is common. I hate to say this, but I think that it's a lot easier to think a rave was *likE _so_ AMAZIN'* if you've had a little, ummmm, "help." And as some people here have astutely pointed out, a lot of how one feels about a rave depends upon what is going on in your own head. If you are out of your head (giggling and stripping in front of a cop?) then maybe your objective judgement about the quality of a given party is also affected. >I get >afraid that people are getting sick of my slides, my laser spirographs, or any >of the standard ten or so lighting effects that we have available for rent >here (my kingdom for an Intellibeam). I doubt they're getting sick of them. Intellibeams should not be considered standard rave equipment . . . you might even have fans of a certain effect, who would be slightly less happy if you ditched something in favor of an I-beam. For example, I would be perfectly happy to have a really good laser cone time and time again. It doesn't have to be argon, it doesn't have to be retina-frying, it just has to be there for me to dance in. (I happen to own just such a cone-producer. Maybe I should take the tip of the UMD technopagans and bring my own . . . hurm.) >Yet I can't shake the feeling that much of >our audience would glorify the worst SF or NE rave. "our audience" == the Utah ravers? Maybe not. Maybe they'd get to a bad SF rave, notice the lack of vibe, and be bitterly disappointed. Give them some credit for loving you! Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: comparing scenes From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:46:53 PST pete ashdown postulates: >>Yet I can't shake the feeling that much of >>our audience would glorify the worst SF or NE rave. laura l lectures: >"our audience" == the Utah ravers? Maybe not. Maybe they'd get to a bad >SF rave, notice the lack of vibe, and be bitterly disappointed. Give them >some credit for loving you! damn straight. much of the pleasure i derive from raving is seeing the same group of hardened loonies every week. it's better than some anonymous club night where you walk in and feel alone in a crowd. when you can circulate among a dancefloor and bump into familiar faces every five minutes, it makes the event special. of course i can have a great time at a rave where the music is top notch and the visuals are spot on. sometimes it's fun to be alone, but that sense of community, of knowing that lots of people are thinking the way you do and going to the same parties is really magic. Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your head will become a crazy bulbous punchbag of sound. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: pre-RISE GROOVE ROOM Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 20:21:34 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) HELLO BOSTON RAVERZ! for those of us without transportation to DC or NY this weekend, I propose a pre-RISE groove at my room on friday from 9 or 10 till midnight. I have the use of two *huge* Klipsch Wall Horns for the month of January, and a an extensive selection of chillin tunes on tape and CD. I also have many extra matresses we could lay out to chill on. I could get some munchies and drinks, and anyone coming would be encouraged to bring what they can (food, music, TURNTABLES!, other fun musical equipment?) so let me know, or dont! just show up if you like! Phone #:617-225-8317 Address:410 Memorial Dr. #341C Cambridge, MA. 02139 Directions: On Massachusetts Ave. in Cambridge, heading towards Charles River: Turn right on Amherst Alley (last light before the river). Two and a half blocks, large red brick building on the left, at the second jag in the road since Mass Ave., says "Burton-Conner." Find parking. Call x3-3261 from outer lobby, say you're visiting Shannon Coen. Room 341C. On Mass. Ave in Boston, heading over Charles River: Make first left possible after crossing the Charles (Amherst Alley, also first light after the river). As above. RSVP by e-mail or by phone. Hope to see as many of you as possible! (if enough people show, we can expand to a serious, two-room, dance floor- chill floor, pre-rave rave! I was thinking of doing this for WONDERLAND as well... lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Hookup-O-Matic for 1/8 and 1/9 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 21:27:59 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) ************************* ** Hookup-O-Matic ** ** for weekend of ** ** Fri. 1/8 & Sat. 1/9 ** ************************* well here we are, back on track... look for SHALAKO's pre-RISE "The Groove Room" and Digital.Druid's BRAINRAVE- LIQUID HOLIDAY two day event! NAME E-MAIL OTHER INFO ============================================================================= The Loft presents RISE Fri. 1/8 ---------------------------------------- >HELLO BOSTON-AREA RAVERZ! >for those of us without transportation or dont want to drive to DC or NY >this weekend, I propose a pre-RISE groove at my room on friday from 9 or >10 till midnight. > >I have the use of two *huge* Klipsch Wall Horns for the month of January, >and a an extensive selection of chillin tunes on tape and CD. I also have >many extra matresses we could lay out to chill on. I could get some >munchies and drinks, and anyone coming would be encouraged to bring what >they can (food, music, TURNTABLES!, other fun musical equipment?) > >And a place to crash if you like at 8am when you dont feel like driving/ >walking home! > >so let me know, or dont! just show up if you like! > >Phone #:617-225-8317 >Address:410 Memorial Dr. #341C, Cambridge, MA. 02139 > >Directions: > On Massachusetts Ave. in Cambridge, heading towards Charles River: > Turn right on Amherst Alley (last light before the river). > Two and a half blocks, large red brick building on the > left, at the second jag in the road since Mass Ave., says > "Burton-Conner." Find parking. Call x3-3261 from outer > lobby, say you're visiting Shannon Coen. Room 341C. > On Mass. Ave in Boston, heading over Charles River: > Make first left possible after crossing the Charles > (Amherst Alley, also first light after the river). As > above. > >RSVP by e-mail or by phone. Hope to see as many of you as possible! >(if enough people show, we can expand to a serious, two-room, >dance-floor and chill-floor, pre-rave rave!) > >SHALAKO Donato A Miranda damir@wpi.WPI.EDU Look for: Ne-raves badge, BIG red pants, funky hat with a pom-pom. SHALAKO (Shannon Coen) sscoen@athena.mit.edu Ph. #: 617/225-8317 Look for: Huge brown overalls, brown & white striped headwear, bright yellow-orange shirt, purple sunglasses. Indonesian black & white miniature wooden mask on string around neck. ============================================================================ Ultraworld ]I[ BRAINRAVE Fri. 1/8 ---------------------------------------- >Hi there guys! I wanted to go to a rave far from home this vacation, but >I noticed that ultraworld 3 and liquid holidy are on consecutive days, >during the second weekend of january. It would be kinda dumb to miss >both of these I though, and then it clicked... > >Hey, I have an empty squashcourt/row house that is at my access. >It's in baltimore, I could invite all the ne-ravers to crash there >(make all the noise they wish), and hit both the raves here for a >weekend. > >So that's my invitation to all you guys. I'd really like responses >so I know if anyone will come (i know a few of you have responded >already.) > >that's it - - - please come! > > ne-raves unity! > >digital.druid (gil) Douglas B. Zimmerman DZ5401A@american.edu Coming from Hartford, CT with brother, Mr. SparklE. Look for: red Boston RedSox ('76 style) cap, big white HMV- techno shirt, and jeans. Ne-raves badge. Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Krieg Zimmerman) Coming from Hartford, CT. Ph. #: 203/521-3177 Look for: baseball cap with "Q" on it or red and white stocking cap, baggy blue overalls. Mercedes medallion attached to ne-raves badge. Will be handing out free sunglasses and subliminal tapes. ============================================================================= NASA Fri. 1/8 ---------------------------------------- DJ Slip (Ed Horch) ebh@mink.mt.att.com Look for: 5'11". Medium-length frizzy blonde hair in a ponytail, angular features. Ne-raves badge. Laura LaGrassa laura@usl.com Look for: 5'3", ear-length blonde hair, black leggings, black felt hat with bow on the back. Ne-raves badge. Taylor.808 TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Look for: 6' tall. Short, dark blonde hair, lots of ball chain jewelry and cool earings. Ne-raves badge. John Adams jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu Look for: 5'3", long black ponytail, usually wears black. Ne-raves badge. Tom Fischer Darshan DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu NOTE: Ed, Laura, Taylor, John, Tom and Darshan are all meeting at the couches in the lobby of the Shelter at midnight. Ciamac Moallemi ciamac@athena.mit.edu ============================================================================= Tonka LIQUID HOLIDAY Sat. 1/9 ---------------------------------------- >Hi there guys! I wanted to go to a rave far from home this vacation, but >I noticed that ultraworld 3 and liquid holidy are on consecutive days, >during the second weekend of january. It would be kinda dumb to miss >both of these I though, and then it clicked... > >Hey, I have an empty squashcourt/row house that is at my access. >It's in baltimore, I could invite all the ne-ravers to crash there >(make all the noise they wish), and hit both the raves here for a >weekend. > >So that's my invitation to all you guys. I'd really like responses >so I know if anyone will come (i know a few of you have responded >already.) > >that's it - - - please come! > > ne-raves unity! > >digital.druid (gil) Douglas B. Zimmerman DZ5401A@american.edu Coming from Hartford, CT with brother, Mr. SparklE. Look for: red Boston RedSox ('76 style) cap, big white HMV- techno shirt, and jeans. Ne-raves badge. Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Krieg Zimmerman) Coming from Hartford, CT. Ph. #: 203/521-3177 Look for: baseball cap with "Q" on it or red and white stocking cap, baggy blue overalls. Mercedes medallion attached to ne-raves badge. Will be handing out free sunglasses and subliminal tapes. Inhuman (Michael) inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com Look for: Liquid Sky "Keep Underground" white shirt, flashing red light, Roger Rabbit doll. Robert Campanell robcamp@well.sf.ca.us Ne-raves badge. ============================================================================= FLUID Sat. 1/9 ---------------------------------------- Taylor.808 TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Look for: 6' tall. Short, dark blonde hair, lots of ball chain jewelry and cool earings. Ne-raves badge. ============================================================================= NEBULA Sat. 1/9 ---------------------------------------- Darshan DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu ============================================================================ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 22:55:19 AST From: Q8AH000 Subject: Re:Fredericton Raves *Forever* AJAX summed up my feelings about the rave quite well, so I won't really go into it. Needless to say, helping to organize this rave was one of the best things I've ever done in my life. I really don't think that we have to worry about the Rave scene dying out any time soon. There are just too many people dedicated to it. It wasn't just the organizers who made "Forever" happen. We had lots of help from other people who wanted to encourage the scene. A local club used to hold a techno night each week, but this ended soon after the place was sold to some new people. The reason I've heard was that the new owners are very homophobic, and didn't like the fact that the gay community made up a large part of the crowd. I think that it speaks well of the dedicated spirit of the ravers that we have managed to maintain enough interest around here to throw a successful rave, despite the efforts of some upper-management types who have tried to stop us. Long live the Rave. MDM (aka Mel-E-Mel) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Essay : "My Winter Break" : part 1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 23:49:05 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Ahhh... you can't believe how good it feels to be back home in my dorm room... My vacation began on Dec. 18th, at 1:00 pm. Having thuroughly failed my essay final for a class I already had an incomplete in, I was free! Knowing my grades already to be two C's, an incomplete, and a failure, was a certain relief. The depression that went with this knowledge was immediately dissapated when I determined that I would go to RISE that night, even though my plane flight was scheduled to leave at 6:20am! For Dante would be there, and even if he wasn't, I always have a delicious time, grooving with my friend Leland six inches from the right, front speaker, to Mayhem's mind-expanding, ambient breakbeats. To make my departure even more heavenly, Donato and Becca came in from Woooooostah, and my best friends Ciamac and Mark also said they would come. After meeting with Becca and Donato, we drove over to Senior Haus, to pick up the others, who were already in full trip when we pulled them away from their drippy walls and painted palm trees, swaying in the tropical breezes of mindSTATE. :) The six of us (Mark latched on to another trip-bunny to keep him company on his space-shuttle flight) made our way by way of the T to the desolate, puddled landscapes of downtown Boston. Past quiet, mirrored hulks of multicorp office buildings and around the corner from the glittering Hard-Rock Cafe, down the shadowy depths of Stanhope Street, lay the plain doorsill of the Loft. Who would know that such a place of surreal lights and sounds hid behind this simple facade of a dirty brick wall? There was no line tonight, on account of weather and appealing thoughts of home-cooked meals that drew college students homeward this weekend. And I brightened. The thought of skanking to veluptuous trances, unaccosted by packed dancefloors, brought me to a breakbeat skip, right there in front of the door! The doorman who lurked in the shadows, mumbling into his headset walkie-talkie let us in two at a time, without emotion. Inside, I felt immediately viberific. I bounded up the miniture stairwell, right past the House floor without a glance, and out onto the third floor trance/breakbeat floor. I rejoiced at the decorations that had put up for the evening, more lights, and a six-foot tall teddybear that held a parrisawl (sp?) that slowly rotated around. I was ecstatic, immediately throwing my coat in my pack and dancing in the middle of a completely empty floor, playing tag with the emulators, love just came pouring out in a flood! That night was the best. Surrounded by friends, and my romantic interest, Michelle, I can't remember EVER feeling happier. It did get crowded, but I didn't notice. Someone said there was a photographer there from People magazine or something there, commercializing and exposing our hidden sanctum, but I didn't care. Embraced in a kiss, my heart was irradiating everyone and everything with joy, while my mind soared in technological spirituality- totally free of any chemical aids. At four a.m. I had to leave, yanked down to reality by the tether of a plane ticket. The cab ride home, the last-minute packing, the ride to the airport, and even the plane flight to Iowa, are totally missing in my memory. Whatever people say about clubs, the Loft in paticular, is unfortunate. Magical things continue to happen to me there. My week stay in Iowa passed relaxingly boring and uneventful, and soon it was time to catch that flight to REVELATION... More to come... :) lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 07 Jan 1993 23:03:22 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu Subject: song IDs PLEASE TAKE A LOOK Hi...can someone help me identify these songs? 1. Lady whispering...humming then....vocals "We'll all feel good." near the end the lady whispers "why don't you touch me?" 2. Samples..."Yeah that's right." (I think it's Flavor Flav of Public Enemy) and "Kick it!" and "Check this out" Cool piano break in the middle. 3. Only vocals: "All night, all night" I heard it at a recent rave. 4. Woman sings "You've got me burnin' up!" Sort of breakbeat...house...... 5. Introduction...."You don't know the power" "(of the dark side" Darth Vader sample..... 6. "Freddy Kreuger" "I saw it happen in my dreams" "Nightmare?" Well here are six songs I'd like to knoe the name and artist of....please help! -Julian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Essay : "My Winter Break" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 00:29:20 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) My week stay in Iowa passed relaxingly boring and uneventful, and soon it was time to catch that flight to REVELATION... After taking a cab to Ciamac's, and experiencing one of the most looked-forward-to showers of my life, we chilled. It was still early evening, so no hurry. A couple of C's old school buddies from home arrived, Mark (our ride) and Jacob. Jacob brought the EBN video and played it for us. Really intense stuff. I especially liked the part where they video-scratched a news-woman to say "Try psychoactive-try psychoactive-try psychoactive drugs." Since I'd never been to NYC, I suggested we all go down and hang around the village and shit, but it was raining and they said walking around the City when it's raining really sucks. So we kicked it for awhile. Then C's parents got home and we decided now was the time to bail. Driving into the City, Mark put on a DJ tape of Onionz, I think. Un-FUCKING-believable. I have to tell you, just as we were cresting the hills and the sight of the City, lit up in all it's radiance, came into view... just coincidentally... Onionz happen to mix-in Golden Girls: Kinetic. I was immediately in ecstacy! I forgot all about my fever, my sinus infection, my ear infection, my conjestion. It all melted away to the ethereal sounds of Peruvian flutes and the most orgasm-causing breakbeat you've ever heard. It was a Kodak moment. :) We walked around for a while, got some pizza, and headed over to the map point, Decadance Records. A very large crowd had gathered inside and outside, in the numbing cold. The maps had not arrived. It was about 9:30, I think, and the directions were supposed to have been there at 9. I saw my eternally-smiling RISE-companion-in-breakbeat-addiktion :) , Leland, and I was even higher. While twenty or thirty raverz kicked it in the stinging weather, I was dancing, bopping around, love oozing from every pore. After maybe an hour of waiting, I suggested that Mark and someone go get the car and drive it over here, so we could be warm, and listen to tunes while we waited. Mark and C took off, and Jacob and I continued to wait. The entire night was the perfect stereotype of a rave. And we waited. I was loosing my vibe, the cold was really getting to me. Mark and C get back. Thank god. We eventually thaw. By now the crowd was huge. Flyers were being distributed. Freezing raverz bopped and bobbed around, to the beat of a couple of booming car stereos. After a while we see the crowd swarm over to a car. I get out and run over to see what's up. No maps. But it wasn't entirely a false alarm. Someone had driven home and called Dante for directions. I huredly copy a third generation version of the directions and jet back to the car. As Mark and C try to decipher the scribbles, another rush outside in the crowd. Maps! We grab three and we're outta there. But nooooooo! This rave couldn't be different and be even a little-bit organized! The directions are fucked up. They say to get off at Exit 36. But there is no Exit 36! We drive back and forth on the same five-mile section of expressway three times before C discovers that my scribbles from Dante say to get off at the 36th STREET exit! We cheer. Fifteen minutes later we're parked under the expressway, staring through the thick smoke of a nicely hot-boxed car, at a mob scene outside of the entrance to the wairhouse. Nobody is going in. They're not ready. Twice the cops come, sirens blaring, lights flashing, all five cars of them, and twice the cops leave. Things are looking up. Another bowl and a half-hour later, we see movement. C and I drop our tabs and we all run across the street to check it out. After asking, a dreadlocked ravergirl says that people are going in, one at a time. We all pull the jet-to-the-front-of-the-line maneuver, and we're inside. The entrance is a scene out of a prison-camp movie. Chainlink fence on the walls, and frisking. I agree with all this though. I can slip into a vibe so easy that I'd rather have a stripsearch at gunpoint at the door, than alcohol or a stabbing inside. The space is classic, if slightly bare. Huge spaces, two rooms. The first is deep, bass-ey ambient, and there's a red laser making paterns on the far wall. The over-all feeling of the place, is not dirty, but dark and dusty. I'm not sure about the environment. I suddenly realize that I've lost C, Mark, and Jacob, so I wander into the other room. Immense space...searing hardcore. No vibe. Hmmm... I wander down to the DJ and speaker-end of the room. Lots of people. People seem to be pretty happy. I start to smile. I take my position right in front of the cabinets and let the bass massage and relax me. Of course, Leland's there too, and after a great big hug, I feel a lot better, but still don't like the music. I wander back to the chill-out room, seeing Camper on the way. That boy is everywhere. I see C and the rest, we talk about the space, and I continue back into the C/O area. The lovely vitamin A was starting to stroke me, and the laser became my sole interest for an hour or so. I met up with Vibe there, and was back at home. :) Oodles of bass carressed me, and hi-hats tickled. A hand waved in front of my eyes and I turned to see who it was connected to. It took for ever to turn my head. I was molasses, slow and sweet. :) It was Marty, another really great friend from RISE. We sat and hugged and talked. She was on a date with vitamin E for the first time, and was so loving and happy, I couldn't stop giggling with her. She skipped off to see another friend, when I suddenly heard familiar sounds. "I know that hi-hat rif..." I mumbled, and oozed my way over in front of the speaker. It was Orb's _Supernova..._ (third track on domestic _Adventures..._). I was soaking on blissState. I must have stood there, totally frozen in time, for a while, for when voices saying "Leave him be, we'll come back for him later, after we shut this thing down." awoke me, it was difficult to move. I followed the firemen into the big room, then lost interest when Marty suddenly wrapped her arms around me and said, "Let's dance!" Terrific trance by unknown. I went up to the speakers after things were shut down and started again, met Chuck Fletcher (a very dear soul) and hooked up with Leland. Nice breakbeat for a good hour or so. Then Frankie and his attitude arrived... "Enough commercials," I mumbled, many just laughed. But on the whole, as Bones did his "Hahdcoah in the houz, MUTHAFUCKA!" people were screaming and blowing their whistles, now I know why some raverz hate whistles. "Shut Up!" I screamed. People looked at me funny. I think the biggest laugh for me of the entire night, though, was when Frankie finally started spinning, it wasn't hard- core at all, that blazed from the wall of cabinets, it was one of my favorite breakbeat songs, the one with the diva singing, "I need your love...like the sunshine." I was in ecstacy. I couldn't stop. Leland and I kept looking at each other, beaming with bliss. Mayhem plays that tune every week, and we never get tired of it. Sorry folks, but I could not stand that last disco song that Jason Jinx spun, it was a real let down of a last song. But, as the word came around about the free after party at the Layaway, my spritis brightened. I got directions, but when Mark saw that it was way out on Long Island, he was not psyched at all. Finally we convinced him, and after a lot of confusion about the directions, and who was following who, we led a caravan of six cars and vans into the sunrise. I was really psyched to see the Lawaway. That little cinder-block, shop- of-a-venue, was everything I love about raving. Underground, small, cozy, loving people who must have really cared to drive all this way to be there, etc. Impromptu, by word-of-mouth, two cabinets and the DJs and us. That was it. Jason Jinx was up first and since the vibe was so much like family, I walked right up to him and he smiled at me, and I asked him to play a song. Even though he didn't have it, I felt like he was really glad that I had come up and talked to him. :) I was having a great time. Everyone was still bundled-up, because it was still very cold, but no one cared, and everyone had smiles on their faces. Unfortunately, the rest of my group wanted to leave, especially Mark, so we had to go. :( JUST ONCE, I WISH COULD GO WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO STAY TO VERY END. For me, the entire rave is just a wait for that last couple of hours, when suddenly, everyone who's still there gets this great burst of energy, purely fueled on love, and my favorite kind of music is always played, and everyone is in big circles, dancing and hugging and supporting one-another. :) Ahh, well, someday I'll get a car, and it will happen. I got my first taste of this kind of feeling at LIFE, (thank you, Ciamac, for sticking with me to the very end!) and it has been a quest to seek it anywhere I can. I often find it at RISE... :) The rest of that week I spent lounging around Ciamac's house, trying to get well, and shopping in NYC. (I finally got my wish...thanx to C.) At 3:00pm, on New Years Eve, I boarded my bus for Washington, D.C., destined to see Michelle, and CATASTROPHIC... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 0:46:51 EST From: William Perez Subject: Re: this might interest some... Thanks for the guidelines Digital Druid on how to deal with thee PIGS. I'm sure that helped make a lot ov people feel less paranoid....! WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 08 Jan 1993 01:12:12 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: my 92 favorites favorite rave: nova (or would this be 93?) LIFE in worcester was still better as a whole weekend...but, as a stand alone rave, nothing beat the trance and vibe that i found at nova. totally clean space. good friends. good lights (see below)...just a great rave. happy. runner up rave: maybe this is where LIFE fits in. worst rave: horseshit storm. favorite micro rave: NASA. (is that what this slot means?).. nasa.. though i haven't been in a LONG time..was sooooo amazing...really great vibe and the best chill out room (mr. kleen)..if we make it there tomorrow night i hope to find it as beautiful as i did last time i was there. favorite dj: dave trance. his last name explains why. other fav. djs: oshin, mr. kleen. both very very very nice guys as well as great djs. oshin is the master of all. not just trance.. he throws in a little bit of everything (and some LUNIK here and there). his 3 turntable performance at NOVA blew me away. mr kleen is the ultimate chilloutblipcroretrance dj.. great stuff.. not entirely danceable all the time.. but, that's why he spins more chill out spaces.. dave trance spins dancier trance.. favorite live band: well, there aren't that many.. and i haven't been too impressed by any of them (moby's faking everything really bothers me).. i'd have to say EQUINOX. though, it gets to me after about 20 mins. best light show: EBN's help at NOVA. great lights...wild wild wild. worst light show: the BIG storm this summer. were those flashlights hanging from the ceiling? i couldn't tell.. i was too busy bumping into people. song of the year: that's right.. you all guessed it: "age of love".. and, unfortunately for john, ed and laura.. i'm NOT sick of it yet.. hehehehehehe.. raver of the year: donato! the boy NEVER stops dancing.. (as i explained in Make MY Day donuts after NOVA)..never stops smiling.. and wears the freshest hat. best space: NOVA and SPUTNIK II. big open, warm spaces. .. well.. i guess that sums it up pretty well. see ya all soon. >>taylor.hypnotik.blue [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Ben.Jaffe@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ben Jaffe) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 17:13:02 -0500 Subject: PerManNet-gatewayed_mail UU> being from the east coast.. UU> where the "rave" UU> scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really UU> experienced one of the UU> much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it Speaking of these raves, did anyone ever here about what happened at the epitomy of a comercial rave that people posted about taking place on New Years Eve at Knott's Berry Farm?!? Let's here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 03:27:22 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Poison To The Mind) Subject: Re: Best of '92 Ohmygod, just photocopy laura's "Best of" rave list and stick my name on it. except, hey, I'd have to say that the first storm i ever went to was the best rave for me. the impact of never being to a rave before and the getting hit in the face by 2500 people, while on good E for the first time in 2 years was mindblowing. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 03:32:47 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Poison To The Mind) Subject: Re: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Um, talk about net lag, but didn' t this flyer issue pass weeks ago, or did your mailer barf and spew that message to ne-raves ? :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 03:43:39 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Poison To The Mind) Subject: Re: comparing scenes jon writes: >damn straight. much of the pleasure i derive from raving is seeing >the same group of hardened loonies every week. it's better than some >anonymous club night where you walk in and feel alone in a crowd. >when you can circulate among a dancefloor and bump into familiar faces >every five minutes, it makes the event special. I agree.. I tend to go to clubs only to see people I know, and to raves if people I know are going to be there with me (hell, at least one person I know), and soon you meet so many people you know everyone and can't walk down the street without people chasing you down and talking to you :) >of course i can have a great time at a rave where the music is top >notch and the visuals are spot on. sometimes it's fun to be alone, >but that sense of community, of knowing that lots of people are >thinking the way you do and going to the same parties is really magic. this is true.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 04:16:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Tomorrow will bring you brighter skies) Subject: Excessive Bounces Allow me to tie up some bandwidth for a moment to inform you that all of the idiotic bounce messages you've been receiving in the past week have been put straight :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: this might interest some... (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, or even a law student. This is all stuff I sorta know from other hobbies I have.) (Post about what to do when Authorities show up has been quoted) >1. Don't let them in. Usually a good idea. >2. If they have a search warrent ask to see it. > Make sure everything is correct. IF they conduct a search, watch them > closely, and make sure they do not exceed the boundaries set by the > warrent Warrents are not always needed to go in. Probable illegal activity is enough. Also the fire-marshal can come in, declare it un-safe, and bust you. Or he could witness drug use and call the cops in. Neither needs a warrent. (This doesn't even touch on sealed-warrents, but I don't think it's gotten that bad.) >3. Say Nothing Another good idea. But also remember the more times you piss off a cop, the more likely they may try to bend some rules. Basically remember to be careful, and if you doing something legal, get real security people. This will help later if anything happens bad security wise. -Matt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 09:22:50 PST From: sho@jupiter.risc.rockwell.com (Sho Kuwamoto) Subject: song IDs PLEASE TAKE A LOOK >3. Only vocals: "All night, all night" I heard it at a recent rave. VNE by Force Mass Motion Rabbit City 005, remix version on Rabbit City 006. Get both of these albums, now. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu sho@risc.rockwell.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re:Re: MY favorites , forgot a few! From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 13:48:14 EST Hey what's wrong with the New Republic? I can't wait to see Andy Sullivan in Gap clothes! Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 13:54:31 EST Don't worry, the "scene" will never die. The big raves may fall out of style, but there will always be 4-500 people gatherings in houses and stuff. As for the 48 hours special, I didn't think it was THAT bad. Certainly, their portrayel of raves was not the best I've seen, but there were plenty of good points to the show. First, the inclusion of the Spring Grove experiments was a big plus! Second, the very clearly and openly dispelled a lot of myths about LSD: CBS: Does LSD cause chromosome damage? Doctor: No. CBS: Does LSD cause birth defects? Doctor: No. CBS: Is LSD addictive? Docotr: Not in the way that cocaine and herion are addictive, no. That alone made the show worthwhile. It was much better than I was expecting, I must say. They also showed the stupidity of mandatory sentences. Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:31:44 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! true, they were rather unbiased. But they neglected to stress one fact. When you go psychotic cause of acid, it's because the tendancies were already in you...LSD just brings it out. It isn't CAUSED by lsd. I did like how at the end, they said it will try to be used for it's theraputic effects, but if you are an average person (not as high intelligence as you guys)then only the bad sticks with you and you begin to think: LSD is some scary stuff...I don't want to have anything to do with it. digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all audiomaster.... . . . . . . . . . the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love afair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:05:07 EST From: warrior@churchst.ccs.itd.umich.edu Subject: Electronic Mail List Add me as a subscriber. The following biographic information follows: Name: Mr. Charles M. Dudley Institutional Affiliation: University of Michigan/ U. S. Marine Corps Street (or Post Office) Mailing Address: P. O. Box 130231, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105 Telephone No.: (313) 308 - 3792 Interests: Computers, Plastic Model Construction, Photography. Electronic Mailing Address: warrior@umich.edu Add me to your Electronic Mail List. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Moby/Prodigy? I just heard recently about a Baltimore date for the Moby/Prodigy tour. Does anyone know anything else about this or other dates in my area?? I think the date mentioned was Feb 12th (???) - aLaN (Fluid) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:15:20 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Liquid Holiday... I don't suppose any of you will be passing by me tomorrow on the way to Liquid Holiday will you ???? I'm at the University of Delaware which is right on I-95. This is getting to be a routine for me but i'm stuck here without a car and have no other choice... =( - A fLuId In WiThDrAwl... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:51:23 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ My God! Those Nutty Rave Kids have invaded CT !! }== Howdy! I promised pictures from Tune Inn (New Haven, CT) and I am here to deliver. I created a collage of photos and placed it at: media-lab.mit.edu in pub/ne-raves/incoming for ftp grabbing... The file is called: tune.inn.gif If you are able to view it and print it out, then share it w/ those who can not! Enjoy! (the file is a 400k GIF file) tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 08 Jan 1993 18:03:00 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: tune inn gifs for some reason i cannot open downloaded GIFs in photoshop... so, if anyone i know who is close to here (laura, chuck, ed.. etcc..) if you guys get a hold of them and can send them/show them to me.. i would appreciate it.. thanks.. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:31:44 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! true, they were rather unbiased. But they neglected to stress one fact. When you go psychotic cause of acid, it's because the tendancies were already in you...LSD just brings it out. It isn't CAUSED by lsd. I did like how at the end, they said it will try to be used for it's theraputic effects, but if you are an average person (not as high intelligence as you guys)then only the bad sticks with you and you begin to think: LSD is some scary stuff...I don't want to have anything to do with it. digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all audiomaster.... . . . . . . . . . the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love afair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Altern8 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:17:37 MST According to MCT management whom I just spoke with, Altern8 has broken up. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:29:28 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Altern8 NOOOOO! :( -murk. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Altern8 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 16:47:51 +45722724 From: hilker!chris (cspot@cats.ucsc.edu) Pete Ashdown writes: >According to MCT management whom I just spoke with, Altern8 has broken up. There they go again, ripping off another KLF idea! C. -- hilker!chris (cspot@cats.ucsc.edu) All the world's problems are in our heads. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:33:44 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU FORWARDED MESSAGE 01/08/93 16:29 FROM Pat.Dote "Pat Dote": Re: argh!!!!!!! Received: by Forsythe.Stanford.EDU; Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:29:28 PST Received: by medisg.Stanford.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA02206; Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:29:31 PST Received: from soda.berkeley.edu by medisg.Stanford.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA02197; Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:29:29 PST Received: from forsythe.Stanford.EDU by soda.berkeley.edu (5.65/KAOS-1) id AA25914; Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:29:02 -0800 Message-Id: <9301090029.AA25914@soda.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:28:02 PST To: sfraves@soda.berkeley.edu From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! REPLY TO 01/08/93 11:13 FROM inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com "Inhuman": Re: argh!!!!!!! i once saw sally jessie raphael do a show on LSD and spaulding gray (swimming to cambodia, the killing fields, the performance garage, monster in a box) was in the audience. everyone was busting on drug use and LSD, and the sally spotted him, asked him for his input, and he totally supported it aND TALKED ABOUT ITS VIRTUES in the proper contexts. everyone looked dumbfounded and they broke for commercial. pat To: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com cc: SFRAVES@SODA.BERKELEY.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 20:11 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Events in DC This Weekend Does anyone know where Ultraworld and Liquid Holiday are being held? _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:41:31 EST Subject: Pictures ==> GIFs...Definitly!!! I got the TunnInn GIF. I love it, I have it as a background on my Terminal now, because it has the people I have met at Laura's pre-STORM-rave party, well some, Taylor-808, John (JNA), Donato.... Of course, Donato was dancing his fingers off as usual 8) and Taylor, John looked like they were jamming...like there is no tommorow! 8) That picture is a perfect memory keeper for me, not that I was at TunnInn 8(, but because it has pics of my new friends well kindda' new...Whom I have spent my birthday with. This way whenever I miss you guys I can look at this GIF for good memories.. :) I think whomever has pics as such and can scan, should post at the media-lab.mit.edu ftp site so we can get to "connect" the faces to logon names.... Peace, Unity, Raving brains out, TAREQ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 23:05:41 EST Hehe, that's awesome. Spauling Gray is cool. I would ahve liked to see that show! Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 18:01 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Addressing for Compuserve Does anyone out there know how to address an Internet mailpiece for destination on the COMPUSERVE system? I've tried several ways but I can't get it to take. I've tried: 7####,###@CIS.COM (#s represent their mail address) ...but this doesn't seem to work. Any help from fellow ravers out there would be appreciated. :) Thank you in advance, Eric_McCormick@MCIMAIL.COM [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Addressing for Compuserve From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 13:49:05 EST Does anyone out there know how to address an Internet mailpiece for destination on the COMPUSERVE system? I've tried several ways but I can't get it to take. I've tried: 7####,###@CIS.COM (#s represent their mail address) ...but this doesn't seem to work. Any help from fellow ravers out there would be appreciated. :) Thank you in advance, Eric_McCormick@MCIMAIL.COM It should look like: 7####,####@compuserve.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:07:20 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: Addressing for Compuserve You replace the comma with a dot, ie 1234.5678@compuserve.com If I had a penis I'd still be a girl, But I'd make much more money and conquer the world -- Uncle Bonsai [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Tune Inn JPEG at cs.uwp.edu Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 14:58:00 EST I converted the mega-huge-colossal-all-day-to-download tune.inn.gif to a nice friendly 70K JPEG which can be obtained at cs.uwp.edu in the directory pub/incoming/pictures/alt.rave and will soon be moved to pub/music/pictures/alt.rave Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: About that Tune Inn collage Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 14:59:47 EST Can someone tell me who's who? I recognize Donato in the center and John and Taylor at the bottom right, but... Mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 14:58:35 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Digital Druid: > > but if you are an average person (not as high intelligence as you guys)then > only the bad sticks with you and you begin to think: LSD is some scary > stuff...I don't want to have anything to do with it. I would like to know (after i have seen a lot of messages on a lot of the mailing lists i'm subscribed to) if LSD and E and other drugs are really a part of the lifestyle of people on this list. Is it an american culture thing? What i mean is that around here almost nobody does E or LSD (but there are some shitheads who take cocain) at raves. I have never taken these kinds of drugs and dont feel the need for them so i never will. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 09 Jan 1993 15:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! i myself don't, never have and never will do any E or acid. i just don't feel the need to do it. it's not a part of my scene. the music is what i'm here for. and the music trances me and makes me smile more purely and truely than any chemikal would. most of my friends who do acid at raves just end up sitting in one spot all night, never getting up to dance.. and just stare.. a lot of fun that is... is that what raving is about? i think not. >>taylor.prototype.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 09 Jan 1993 16:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Brief Meeting.. To NE-Raves Nasa Goers (8 January - Taylor, Laura, John), Glad I had the chance to meet you all. It was a little (a lot, actually) rushed, but cool nonetheless.. And Mr. Kleen was spinning really well, no? John - I realized while on the way to meet the people I came with that I hadn't said goodbye. Sorry man - it was nice meeting you.. Maybe we'll all get to hang out and talk for awhile at some point in the future.. Darshan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 16:20:05 -0500 From: Craig M. Kanarick Subject: RISE last nitE Sorry I had to bail out so early, but I'm getting too old for this sort of thing... :-) Seriously, it was great seeing everyone again and dancing dancing dancing. I just wish I knew how to twirl fabric... -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: enhanced invisible life [Todd Sines] Subject: INTERFACE Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 17:10:31 EST hey, i think i am ready to hear some more word on interface. what is the plan? i am going to start with a logo in freehand. then i am going to extrude it in dimensions, a 3d program that will give the text a 3d look, then i will probably play with it some more in freehand. sines -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 18:14:02 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Our leaders are only drunk with fear) Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! This was MENTIONED.... remember the story of the guy that went into a deep depression? The doctors said that LSD can bring out tendencies... --john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: enhanced invisible life [Todd Sines] Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 16:27:48 EST | | Beyond the ultraworld of Digital Druid: | > | > but if you are an average person (not as high intelligence as you guys)then | > only the bad sticks with you and you begin to think: LSD is some scary | > stuff...I don't want to have anything to do with it. | | I would like to know (after i have seen a lot of messages on a lot of the | mailing lists i'm subscribed to) if LSD and E and other drugs are really a pa rt | of the lifestyle of people on this list. Is it an american culture thing? | What i mean is that around here almost nobody does E or LSD (but there are so me | shitheads who take cocain) at raves. I have never taken these kinds of drugs | and dont feel the need for them so i never will. | | Ciao, | -- | Francois Dion exactly, mate! i have never taken any drugs, never smoked a cigarette, and the last time alcohol has invaded my blood stream was 5 years ago (even then it was less than a sip) a few nights ago this girl was flirting with me pretty hard... being real touchy and all.. and she was like, "do you party?" i said, "what do you mean?" and she said, " do you drink?" i said, "nope." "trip?" "nope" "get stoned?" "nope." "what about Ecstacy? you must have done that." "nope. i guess you think i am pretty boring then." she walked away, to go dance with two stoned guys who weren;t really interested in her, just each other. which is probably for the better. i may not be in the best physical shape, (because of my sugar diet) but people say i am one of the most energetic kids at the clubs and shit.. i bounce off the walls usually,. as taylor has said, i usually let the music and vibe induce my experience at parties and i can always be in control of my situation. some of my friends have really FUCKED UP their lives because of drugs... even DEATH from an overdose. when i see this i feel that it is a dead-end street. drugs will get you nowhere in life... if you're honest to your heart and body. besides, people that i have talked to on e or acid sound like they have 2 digit IQ's when they're peaking.... sines -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: vitamins A & E. please take the time to read this.:) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:43:59 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) since it just seems to be "rag-on-those-dirty-drug-addicts" day, i'd like to add my input. todd was saying how it seems to him that people on acid have 2 digit IQ's. my FOAF says that when he's tripping, he has an IQ of a hundred-thousand. the reason for this, he says, and innumerable psychologists and philosophers who haven't been blinded by society's bigoted, god-fearing, protestant, fascist police-state, media brain-numbing effects agree, is that drugs like lysergic diethylamide, peyote, and others are a DOOR, not a WINDOW, as society would have you believe. It is accepted knowlege, i hope, that we humans only use 10-15% of our brain's mental and spiritual power. We are the most brilliant when we emmerge from the womb, and just become steadily more clowded and brainwashed. It's not our fault, it's obviously practically impossible to avoid this stupifying of the soul, only the Tibetan monks, and others with similar, spiritual-traveling living philosophies, get close. when i (i mean my FOAF ;) ) says DOOR and WINDOW, this is what he means: the most important thing to understand when you are using or discussing these drugs, is that as a result of taking them, they open the DOOR, release you of your life-worth of environmental programming, and allow you to use another 40-60% of your mind's capabilities. the rest is just too far buried beneath all the shit. society would have you believe that these drugs let you look through a WINDOW, into a realm that doesn't exist in the first place. my last point is this, and I in no way mean to sound stuck up or condescending: it is very difficult to speak about the effects or morality of the use of psycho-actives, if you have never used them. period. and, of course, don't take them once so you can say you took them and drug-bash. these attitudes lead to intensely bad trips. only the pure of intention will benefit. my FOAF has taken LSD twice. the first time he needed two tabs of very intense stuff before anything happened. he tripped for 16 hours straight in a dorm room lit by black lights. favorite toys were the shag rug, the mirror, chris conneley and intermix on the stereo, and pigface and skinny puppy videos. he says it's one of the greatest things he's ever done. the second time, he took one tab at REVELATION. he says that although he had a great time, it made him feel too slow and involved, he wished he could have danced more. my FOAF has ecstacy once, at LIFE. although the X was crap, and probably mostly speed, it was fantastic to be able to dance for so long. as many will attest to the fact, I do not need drugs to enjoy music and dancing ten times as much as most people who might be on 75mg of E. last night at RISE, three different people came upto me and asked me whatcolor my X was, or a related question. i was completely sober. after REVELATION, I have no desire to take LSD in any other location than my room or in the wilderness. and unless I have the opportunity to get REALLY good E, to justify shelling out so much money, future raving (in the general sense of the word. getting off on the music, in the presence of loved ones, whether they be strangers or friends.) shall be a drug-free experience. SHALAKO [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: the only techno songs you need... Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 22:15:38 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i have revised my TTTT to such an extent that I'd like say this statement. IMHO, for me to go through all the emotions necessary at a rave, the rave only needs to be 3 songs long... AGE OF LOVE- Age of Love GOLDEN GIRLS- Kinetic (Frank DeWolf mix) ORBITAL- Belfast in that order. period. i was so incredably high on lifelast night at RISE. that place is AMAZING! oh, and i picked this up: SENSORIUM Pimary Productions with The Loft 21 Association invite you to a 12 hour voyage into the realm of the senses. Your navigators: Onionz (Layaway) Dante (Evolution) Jason Jinx (Solar Co) James Christian (Fluid) On-E (NASA) M Gee (Primary) Armand (Nervous Records) Happy (Pure-X) Overload (Deep) O Sheen (Providence) Mayhem (RISE) The Vehicle: Multi-Dance Floors * Roof Garden * Chill Zone FREE Soda/Juice All Night * Smart Bar PANDEMONIUM Lighting & Visual FX * Dance Platforms Rave Gear by BIGFUNHOUSE Your Hosts: M Gee & Mello Mello of Primary Productions SUNDAY, 17 JANUARY 1993 Martin Luther King Jr.'s Birthday Monday 9pm to 9am * 12 Hours * $12 Guests ($10 RISE Members) The LOFT 21 Stanhope St. Boston Phone 617-262-2121 (Back Bay next to Bertucci's) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you better believe i'll be there as soon as I get back from ESSENCE! sleep or no sleep. oh yes, I WILL be there! SHALAKO [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 04:07 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Thanks for Addressing Help I'd like to thank everyone for their help on addressing to Compuserve. I figured out how to do it now.. (FINALLY).. with your help I got the comma replaced with a period, but there was another catch to my not being able to send E-Mail. CompuServe has a mail Client account on MCI Mail which must be used when sending from MCIMail to Compuserve.. Internet delivery is not permitted. So, I addressed them by their ID through the Compuserve client instead of the Internet client. (Not that you all wanted to know that.) But it's great to know you have all of those friends out there on that Net to help you when you need it. You're all great people!! :) Love, Eric [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:28:19 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Pictures ==> GIFs...Definitly!!! On Fri, 8-Jan-1993, tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU (tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU) said: > I got the TunnInn GIF. I love it, I have it as a background on my > Terminal now, because it has the people I have met at Laura's > pre-STORM-rave party, well some, Taylor-808, John (JNA), Donato.... I'm glad ya liked it! 8-) I wish all the pics came out so we could have seen all the faces... I still have not met any of y'all and I was at tune-inn and Nova.. > I think whomever has pics as such and can scan, should post at the > media-lab.mit.edu ftp site so we can get to "connect" the faces to logon > names.... I can scan anything anyone sends me and then post it... tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: the only techno songs you need... Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 23:26:31 EST Beyond the ultraworld of SHALAKO: > > > i have revised my TTTT to such an extent that I'd like say this statement. > IMHO, for me to go through all the emotions necessary at a rave, the > rave only needs to be 3 songs long... > > AGE OF LOVE- Age of Love > GOLDEN GIRLS- Kinetic (Frank DeWolf mix) > ORBITAL- Belfast If it was spinning continuously you would get sick fast from them! But i wouldn't mind a 10+min mix of Age of Love. The Jam & spoon mix is about 4-5 mins (it's the best version IMO). Ah, if i had more HD space i would extend it to 10 mins (my reel to reel doesn't record very well these days). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:38:01 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Tune Inn JPEG at cs.uwp.edu On Sat, 9-Jan-1993, mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) said: > I converted the mega-huge-colossal-all-day-to-download tune.inn.gif to > a nice friendly 70K JPEG which can be obtained at cs.uwp.edu in the > directory pub/incoming/pictures/alt.rave and will soon be moved to > pub/music/pictures/alt.rave Cool! I did not put a date on it either...if you get a chance, tack on Dec92 somewhere... tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:02:28 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: vitamins A & E. please take the time to read this.:) Well, lotsa drug talk... I think this scene is about music and dancing, but we are in America during the 90s and there are drugs out there. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN USE AND ABUSE. I like to taste some drugs sometimes. I like mushrooms, they are natural and light. I like to experiment, but I too have seen the death of friends due to drugs (Alcohol took a friend from me) Everyone has a different experience with everything we encounter in life. Drugs are no different. If you do not want to take 'em, don't. If you do, be carefull... talk to someone who has done them, read, research. Don't drive. Make sure what you are getting is what you think it is. I have tried LSD,X, Mesc, etc. many times. I am careful and use my experiences with these substances to gain perspective and to stimulate my spirit and artistic outlook. What I don't like is the kind of thing Timothy Leary used to promote (although I do respect the man and have enjoyed his books and lectures.) But he started a mindset in this country that believes that drugs are for partying. This can be dangerous. Drugs can be used in a social situation, but it should not be looked upon lightly like , "Oh, hey, lets go to the dairy queen, go to a movie and drop 700 hits of acid and drive home." Well, enough of my yappin'. The best drug I have ever found is PASSION. This is what I get from my gal and it is the elevator to the funkey stars. tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:04:45 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: the only techno songs you need... Whats up in NYC for M.L. King's B-day. I will be there from thurs-sun. tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: photos from laura's party? Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 1:27:05 EST Did anyone get photos developed from Laura's pre-STORM party last month? I took a couple but I forgot to advance the film first (duhhhh). Also, Charles thinks he lost his driver's license while we were in NY. If you find/found it, let me or tsines know right away. Thanks. Mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! From: Rob H Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:27:12 -0500 > i myself don't, never have and never will do any E or acid. i just don't feel > the need to do it. it's not a part of my scene. the music is what i'm here > for. and the music trances me and makes me smile more purely and truely than > any chemikal would. most of my friends who do acid at raves just end up > sitting in one spot all night, never getting up to dance.. and just stare.. > > a lot of fun that is... > > is that what raving is about? > > > i think not. > > > >>taylor.prototype.808 > I know exactly what you mean -- there is some absolutely incredible techno music that makes me want to dance (or do anything!) no matter what. I don't need E when I've got songs like Age Of Love! Speaking of which, having just joined this list and not knowing is this has been asked before -- can anyone suggest any songs like Age Of Love? E-mail me directly if this has been asked before. Hmm... Actually, now that I think about it, the question is basically : What songs (such as Age Of Love) make you feel like you have to dance? Later, Rob (rhwang@descartes.uwaterloo.ca) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 09 Jan 1993 21:47:12 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu Subject: Speed Racer From: IN%"md3b+@andrew.cmu.edu" "Matthew Donald Drown" 8-JAN-1993 08:47:22.81 To: IN%"ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu" CC: Subj: RE: Speed Racer Return-path: Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu by minna.acc.iit.edu (PMDF #2774 ) id <01GT9QH8X2SG99E1BJ@minna.acc.iit.edu>; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:47:11 CST Received: by po4.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu; Fri, 8 Jan 93 09:51:21 EST Received: via switchmail; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from gates.ini.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from gates.ini.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Messages.7.15.N.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.gates.ini.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.gates.ini.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:49:46 -0500 (EST) Date: 08 Jan 1993 09:49:46 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: RE: Speed Racer In-reply-to: <01GT94M4JH3C9BVG77@minna.acc.iit.edu> To: ETCXIAAF@karl.acc.iit.edu Message-id: Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <01GT94M4JH3C9BVG77@minna.acc.iit.edu> >Here's the scoop on "Go, Speed Go" by Alpha Team on Strictly Hype Records in >Chicago. It was released in September/October of 1992 in Chicago. Became >an instant hit on the B96 weekend night mix shows. It came onto the regular >playlist on B96, 88.7, & 88.1 here in Chicago. The song is played out here. > >The name has also been shortened in just "Speed" (I don't know why.). >The 12" includes 1. Club Mix (5:28) > 2. Radio Edit (3:39) > 3. Hardcore (6:18) <--best version by far > >Ahhh....it was released in September. So you see, to me, the song is OLD NEWS. >I can't find an address on the record. (sorry) > >Whoever said it was from Florida is wrong. > >-Julian I posted about thinking it was from florida. You just sent this to me, did you intend for it to be up on BPM also? Yes I know it is old, I've had it for a couple months now, probably once it made the Chicago playlists (and it came to Pittsburgh). -Matt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Age of love Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:38:39 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Rob H: > > Speaking of which, having just joined this list and not knowing is this has > been asked before -- can anyone suggest any songs like Age Of Love? E-mail This is one question... > me directly if this has been asked before. Hmm... Actually, now that I think > about it, the question is basically : What songs (such as Age Of Love) make > you feel like you have to dance? And this another totally different. For example, Das Boot (from U96) is constructed about the same way as age of love (breaks, melodic loop, kick, sonar ping in the first and bells in the second) musically but not vocally. But Das boot doesn't carry as strongly the beat, so the danceability factor is a bit less. And if you mean vocally and not musically, there are some songs with chorus-vox type samples like Go by Moby, Papua New Guinea by FSOL etc... I'm working on a song like that and the only thing i still need is a good chorus sample. I have found one on Beet Oven by T.E.E. but i have a version with percussions all the way thru the breaks where this sample appears, and it seems nobody on ne-raves or bpm knows about it... As for danceability, well it all depends on the vibe: if everybody is standing like "what's that song..." it probably wont make you want to dance. Example time again: friday night after my radio show, i went to Clandestin (just 1 floor down), and went to the DJ booth (MRDC). He said: "tonight they prefer RHCP or Jane's addiction. I just put Oh fortuna, and they were not dancing very much". So even if Oh fortuna has a high danceability factor, it can bomb. BTW, i replaced MRDC for two songs, and guess which song i put: Age of love and the second was already scheduled: rhythm is a dancer. These two songs are a perfect match (to mix, but rhythm is a dancer is not a song for a rave). > (rhwang@descartes.uwaterloo.ca) another raver from up here! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:53:34 EST Drugs are an interesting experience, and I've done plenty of experimenting, but it's far from a "lifestyle" for me. I've tried both X and acid at a rave, but found them to be sort of wasted there. I enjoy raves best when I'm completely sober and well-rested. As for drugs, they're certainly not for everyone, but I think I've gained plenty of insights through my experimentation and I'm glad I've done what I've done. Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:34:20 -0500 Subject: dance-ability, RISE, and stuff... f. dion said : >As for danceability, well it all depends on the vibe: if everybody is standing >like "what's that song..." it probably wont make you want to dance. this i must disagree with. the above is what i like to call the "Top 40 mentality". basically, if you've heard it, it's good, if you've never heard it, it's bad. i don't care if everyone is standing around wondering what the song is, i'm gonna be dancing. i don't care if NO ONE is ont the dance floor, i'm still gonna be dancing, even if i've never heard the song. which brings me to the other thread on here. music is my drug. (here, i must thank Taylor for that award, i'll put it next to my "calmest dancer" award :)). i rely on some caffeine, lots of adrenalin, and of course the wonderful music. on to RISE. yes, another great nite at the Loft! shannon's "pre-party" kind of didn't happen, but guys, it would be a great place to have one! it was cool meeting more ne-ravers (jshiple) and even some non-ne-ravers. so, pre-Wonderland at shannon's right? :) or maybe pre-sensorium... i still can't believe that's taking place! see you all there! donato (still trying to get my computer to download that huge tune inn gif) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Liquid Holiday: washed away From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:02:30 EST Well DC has seen its first bust in as long as I can remember (which isn't saying much). I got to the rave at around 1 with Ben Jaffe and a couple other friends to find people swarming out of it. There were police and fire marshals outside and they weren't letting anyone inside. The music was still going on, though, I could hear it. Incidentally, this was at Kilmer Place, the site of Masquerave, Defcon, and Quaker Rave. We went around back and had to climb the fence to get inside. As soon as we did, the music stopped. No! We wandered around and soon ran into a lot of people we knew, including Digital Druid, the Zimmerman brothers, and a couple people from the great north of R.I. Then Frankie hahdcoah came on the mic, "one two, one two! yo these muthafuckas outside are tryin to close us down but they can't close down the rave! ya gotta go out there and make your own rave! show em what ya got! etc etc " Then they started dismanteling the sound equipment and asking people to leave. We hung around a bit more and then went outside... We wandered back to our car hoping to find a repeat of the Primal post-bust scene that I'd heard about. We did find one car blasting techno and we all danced in front of that for a while and made some friends, but then the car left. We started wandering around some more and found a bunch of people in a parking lot for a BBQ joint. The ne-raves posse was there so we started dancing, and it was cool, amybe 50 people. But we had to go back and get some people who were still back at our car, so Ben and I went to get them. When we came back, everyone was gone!! Where did you all go? We stayed there for a while, dancing a bit more. There was this one really tripped-out dude who was so funny to watch and listen to. He just kept talking and talking, "so I was at limelight right? and I climbed up behind the DJ and put my arms out like this and I was like 'I am love'. love, man! you know, people don't move their legs enough when they dance... yeah..." It was funny as hell to watch and listen to him. So around 4 we all went to Kramerbooks in Dupont Circle along with a bunch of people from Delaware & Baltimore that we met and had breakfast and stuff until 6. It was fun, but definitely a letdown. Especially the way the rave looked inside. I heard they had a video of an eclipse? cool... Well, anyway, I'm glad I met all the people from RI. The next rave I'm going to is definitely Wonderland. looking forward to it... Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 10 Jan 1993 13:57:47 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Substances/Raving I went to Nebula last night to find that in this area, raving is synonomous with the use of some kind of drug. All the kids I know from the area were fucked up, which was a little disappointing, because I wanted to hang out and talk with them - let's face it, people on acid are just annoying.. I don't think that raves and drugs are necessarily complimentary to one another. For one, raves are very social in their nature, while drugs like acid are not (acid by default, because E is pretty expensive and difficult to find in its best form, therefore causing people to seek alternatives). Acid (or any hallucinogen for that matter) seems to be a personal thing. Sure, they enhance one's own personal experience, but I also think that they detract from the vibe of the rave. I think it's difficult to be interactive and social when your mind is zooming at a hundred thousand miles an hour, and you're making hundreds of 'brilliant' connections - looking at things from fifty different perspectives, and walking from world to world as if you were living a story.. I've tried hallucinogens before, and I can say that I'd much rather be outside, and not at a rave. I think the people would really bug me out, and cause me to think in lousy circles.. Oh well, just my opinion. I really wish the people were more into the music and the dancing.. I'll bet 95% of the ravers at Nebula last night would be able to name a lousy commercial techno group, but probably not a good independent dance music record label.. Grr.. Darshan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: dance-ability, RISE, and stuff... Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 16:09:01 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Donato A Miranda: > > f. dion said : > >As for danceability, well it all depends on the vibe: if everybody is standing > >like "what's that song..." it probably wont make you want to dance. ==== > > this i must disagree with. the above is what i like to call the > "Top 40 mentality". basically, if you've heard it, it's good, > if you've never heard it, it's bad. That's not what i meant. I said like. I go thru lots of new stuff each week and i can tell if the track has a good danceability factor or not. But what you cannot tell is: can it fit the bill for everybody even if they are not "in it". As a DJ i can tell you that you have to build the vibe and not let it deteriorate to the point were people are shoegazing. This is why i gave the example of Apotheosis not working even if it has a high danceability factor. I'm sure you have noticed that the vibe is not as good when you have non-ravers at a rave. Of course you can make you own vibe, but then what's the point of going to a rave? I can have a better audio/video entertainment at my house with me mixing AND dancing to strobes, robozap, lights and fractal animations. So yes, even if i'm the only person dancing i have fun. But put me in a room full of people and i'll have more fun if they are "in it" and less if they are not. And it has nothing to do with the music (exception made of stuff like project 1, UK weed, chipmunk breakbeats or el general which i cant stand). > i don't care if everyone is standing around wondering what the song > is, i'm gonna be dancing. i don't care if NO ONE is ont the dance > floor, i'm still gonna be dancing, even if i've never heard the > song. which brings me to the other thread on here. music is Whatever i put on the turntable you would dance on that? I doubt so. Do you listen to: techno, breakbeat, italo house, hip house, hardcore, trance, ambient, balearic, reggespanol etc...? I'm sure you hate one of these styles (almost all derived from house or with influences). > my drug. (here, i must thank Taylor for that award, i'll put it > next to my "calmest dancer" award :)). i rely on some caffeine, lots > of adrenalin, and of course the wonderful music. Here it is: the wonderful music. Now a less wonderful music can be more enjoyable if all the people carry you to the beat. > (still trying to get my computer to download that huge > tune inn gif) Since i have never seen any of you, can someone tell me who is on this? (The collage is really neat BTW, whoever has done it) Anybody else on the list has gifs of them floating around internet? (with all the rave gear 8)) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Rave gear and drinks Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 16:29:48 EST It's me again, "l'ami du nord" as someone put it! Just some quick questions: - what are your favourite rave gears? You know like plastic bananas, ne-rave badge, giligan's hat, hockey shirt etc... (btw Laura, my cash for the ne-rave badge will be on it's way... Surely it will be a big conversational piece around here. Probably more than my red CD with white stripes 8)) - what are your favourite pre-rave/rave/after-rave drinks? It can be anything from a particular smartdrink to gatorade, to soft drinks to your own mix. I myself carried in my car last summer spruce beer (no it's not alcoolised). I don't do that anymore cause it's well below the freezing point. And in clubs, you will pay for the fact that you are sober. Even a Seven Up is 1 to 2$ more than beer. Once, at La Fac, i asked for a 7-Up (it was either that or a Black Label). The girl at the bar looked funny at me, and said:-with what? -Straitgh. -First time i serve that. This is not to say that i never take beer. But you cant dance as long with alcool in your blood. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 17:12:15 -0500 Subject: re: dance-ability (and that other stuff) f. dion said: >Beyond the ultraworld of Donato A Miranda: > > f. dion said : > >As for danceability, well it all depends on the vibe: if everybody is standing > >like "what's that song..." it probably wont make you want to dance. ==== looks like we've misunderstood each other. i thought you meant "if a good dance song is on [let's use Age of Love for an example], you probably won't dance to it if other people aren't into it".. which i totally disagree with. but you seem to be speaking of a "vibe", which i agree with of course. >Whatever i put on the turntable you would dance on that? I doubt so. Do you if you are a "techno" DJ, then yes, i probably like everything you put on. >listen to: techno, breakbeat, italo house, hip house, hardcore, >trance, ambient, >balearic, reggespanol etc...? I'm sure you hate one of these styles (almost >all derived from house or with influences). i like all the above that you have mentioned, except balearic and reggespanol cuz i don't know what they are (is an example of reggespanol that "mini mini" song?) >Here it is: the wonderful music. Now a less wonderful music can be more >enjoyable if all the people carry you to the beat. i agree! but if Age of Love is on, i'm gonna dance no matter what! i guess this is a silly semantics argument. it started when someone asked for "songs that make you dance." now, if there's a good vibe, you will dance to a song that you might not have normally danced to (i think this is what you mean, right?) .. but there are some songs that are just so good that you will dance to them no matter what. peace to all! donato :-) ... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 05:18:45 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Ultraworld, Liquid Holiday, Liquid Holiday II A weekend for raving... On Friday i got a ride back to american u. from a friend. also went along with my good friend Polida and brother man Mr. SparklE. The reason for the trip was not only to get back top school but to also check out the Ultraworld in Balt. and Liquid Holiday in DC. Ride down was OK. Stopped in NYC for some shopping, then got to Balt around 9 PM. We were going to crash at Digital Druid's (Gil's) row house/squash court place. We met him just as he was about to walk out the door. No other ne-ravers showed up which sucked. Anyways put bags in the place and then went to Modern Music for the tixs. Then on to Ultraworld... Ultraworld was in a really nice location. There was no chace of this place being busted. Well secluded among other warehouses. After a bit went in and began to wander around. Nice. There was one large room that was the main daance room with hardcore/breakbeat. On the other end of the warehouse was the chill dance floor. It had one of those oil projectors with the different colors floating by. I had never seen one of them before so i stared at it for a while. They also had in the middle this screen which they projected all these different animation. They showed japanese animation flicks. some of them were strange. One was of this old guy sitting on his porch looking out across the beach and the ocean before him, suddenly this woman appeared before him and started walking towards him but she then blew up blood all over the place...(i like japanese animation, esp. ROBOTECH) for the first few hours or so there was not much of a vibe. I dance for a bit, but got bored and eventually sat down. Around three-thirty or so Neuromancer came out with some DOPE hardcore, which finally got me groving. it was really nice. Took a break and went over to Dante who was playing on the other dance floor. He was playing some nice house. But headed back to catch the rest of the Hardcore set. After a brief gasme with the mind and a e shirt wne tbackto the chill floor and grooved along to the rest of dante's set. next was Jason Jinx and he played some old techno that really got me grooving, esp. Pacific-212 by 808 state. Went back to the main room around sevenish and there was maybe seven people dancing (about 6-800 people showed up). At around seven Scott Henry started spinning and it was really cool. Sounded like he was fooling around but was playing some nice breakbeat as he always does. it got me grooving. it was fun at that point cause it was almost like a personal dance for me cause the room was so big but there was like two people dancing. At this point i had to leave. Damn another Scott Henry jam i miss! When got outside it was snowing!!! All the time up in CT and no snow, come down to Balt. amd SNOW!!!!(OK i have this weird thing bout snow.) During night net up with Rob C. and Yourham(?SP) from drexel(?SP) Went back and crashed at Gil's place. Was a really nice night. last five hours KICKED! breakfast at micky D's and then off to sllep and DC and LIQUID HOLIDAY... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Liquid Holiday: washed away From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 19:55:09 EST The people I met from Delaware weren't ne-ravers, they were just random friendly people, most of whom were tripping or candyflipping or something. Their names were Harry, Rachel, Lindsay, and some others I can't remember. Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:30:52 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: weekend Here's my version of how the weekend went... Friday evening and no one was at my place. Many people had expressed interest in coming down, but rides and other problems popped up for everyone...no big deal, cause I"ll do this again in the summer (when we won't freeze our asses off :) Finally The Zimmermens showed (as I was leaving...wow) So they cam in with their two friends, and dropped off their stuff. Off to Modern Music...we went and got tix..off the rave! We got there too early I suppose so we went out to McDonalds(hehehe), came back and it was underway... Space: BIG two room warehouse....excellent. Intellibeams, emulators, and those cool oil things that doug mentioned...Great vendors as well... Vibe: Well it was okay, but nothing all that great when we got there. They seemed to play a lot of breakbeat in the begining...I got bored of it. The baltimore scene seems very hip-hop oriented, they ate up the rap sets. That's not my music to rave to. Well Neuromancer came on and tore sh|t up! I have never enjoyed a hardcore set as much as what he did...it was amazing! In contrast, I disliked Micros hardcore that followed. Around 4 am, people stared to clear out and there was maybe about 100 people left...the vibe was excellent at this point. There was only about 10 people in the main room and it seemed empty becuase of it's sized compared to the small number of bodies. Frankie Hartung was on...this guy is good!...we danced and danced jumping around the room. He threw on Next is the E....I was in heaven. This was the most incredible feeling! We had caught up with Yoram earlier, and he followed us back to crash at my place. When we left around 7:30 (latest I've ever stayed at a rave (THANX GUYS!!!!!!!!)), there was snow outside..the first snow in Baltimore this year...That night I had a smile on my face involuntarily....it was wonderful. Saturday... after waking up around 4 pm..and eating, we headed out to DC. Unloaded in Dougs dorm, got tix, and were off to Liquid Holiday. Space: Same as quaker rave, Defcon1, and masquerave. I suppose the promoters thought it was pretty safe there (From cops/fire marshal atleast)...NOT! Around 2 somthing Frankie '1..2..1..2' bones came on. UP to this point, the vibe was getting really good...very crowded, but when you would dance... you felt good. Scott Henry spun for an incredible set, I was blissed out again. So Frankie throws on the hardcore...yes he is a really good DJ, but I was hoping, as I think Laura said he occaisionally does, he would do a house set or somthing...guess he has a rep to keep up outside of NYC. Well, to make a long story short, four songs into the set it got shut down. We waited around for a while...cought up with Inhuman at that point (thanx for the cookies!), and were waiting to get info on an after party. After we got the info, we started to leave, hoping to get a phone call later in the evening. Well as we were walking back to the car, there was a strangely familiar white van, with an NE-Raves sticker!??!?! Evan & Mars & Co. So we waited around till they got back. Greeted, chatted...and told them about the party we were going to. So all the cars were assembled to go to this afterparty thing..adn we drove all around DC...we finally stopped and realized it was a wild goose chase! So we went back to the building, becuase they also mentioned to come back in 2 hours. It was great when we got there only about 100 people in this HUGE warehouse. Frankie Hartung was spinning again and was doing this great happy-housy-music...I was in heavan AGAIN! The Vibe was perfect again! Incidentally, they were still running the 8 intellibeams, and using all the remaining smoke fluid. Then Dante started to spin for us...for only about 40 people in this massive warehouse. Unfortunatly, I zeroed out on energy...but was just listening, and the experience was great. We left again around 7:30-8, with sunlight, and flurries and big smiles. This was the absolute greatest weekend of my life!!!!!! Thanks guys :):):) Two things that stand out in my mind: Cheering. There were two times that people cheered over the course of the two raves. At liquid holiday, when Bones came on and was speaking on the mic. (I have never heard a DJ speak at a rave ever before!!!), he announced himself. The people cheered. I couldn't believe it!!! This was rediculous! I forgot who said it...but it was like a rock star :( . IN contrast, at ultraworld, I think it was Neuromancer was finishing up his amazing set...and he played 'thousand'. I didn't think he was serious to play that!...But he played it, we danced ecstatically, the strobes were on full speed...total chaos. when it was done, everyone in unison cheered, an amazing end to a great hardcore set!!!! The room must have heated up 10 degrees during the course of that song. smiles everywhere. :) Images: I was sitting down taking a break, and I was looking at the Zimmermans' friend Polida (sp), dancing...she was silhouetted by more strobes...this was just the most beautiful sight, so see a friend dancing so energetically. It was kind of moving (sure call me a flake!). peace out.... digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all audiomaster.... . . . . . . . . . the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love afair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:52:17 -0500 From: Eric Freeman Subject: BOSTON I'm going to be in Boston on Friday and I'd love to check out the local scene. I'd appreciate any info on what to do and where to go! Thanks, Eric P.S. It has been greating meeting lots of you in person over the last month! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:20:35 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: essential rave gear i ws thinking today...traveling as a group, as ed, john and laura and myself often do, we seem to end up bringing enough stuff not only to keep us prepared for any rave situation, but to also keep us happy throughout the night.. i though i'd make a list of stuff that always seems good to bring to raves. print it out. pin it on your fridge. check off the items as you pack for your next rave. goodies often found in ed's GrooveNet bag: (and taylor's pockets) - candy (lollipops, etc): always good for a guaranteed smile - bottles of water: no money for smart bar? - food: cookies, granola...good for the 4am. grouchies.. - toliet paper: never thought of this before..but, ed had it last night.. low and behold the bathroom was out of toliet paper..but, not for us! - pen and paper: i often use this to jot down song ideas as the inspiration flows. - toys: cyberblasters, glow stix...usual trippy fun. - xtra shirt..keep this in the car..so it won't be smokey and yucky when you get out. i need to do this more often. - summer rave: blanket and pillow (in the car)..as laura puts it: you never know where you'll end up the next afternoon..someone's house...beach..?? - asprin, cough syrup... - smart drugs..brain pep pills.. amino acids.. - money. - earplugs. becoming a smart necessity. - a small trash bag (we haven't done this yet..just thought of it) a place to put your personal trash. throw it away in one pitch at the end of the night. keep the world cleaner. - keeping something soft in the bag helps its use as a pillow if you wanna chill. - that little invisible *something* called love and peace. i hope this helps somewhat..being prepared for a rave really helps things out. if you've got a group of people, find a spot in the place to call yours for the night, set your bag down, keep a loose eye on it..and if you (or anyone else) needs something..you just may have it in there. happy vibing. >>taylor.trance.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 11 Jan 1993 00:33:12 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: to help a fellow ne-raver this is a call to anyone (john??) who has any idea of how to get BECCA a mail account near her house. she asked me to ask you this.. she doesn't log on much.. doesn't read her mail that often..because she's now out of school and cannot afford the connect charges.. she lives sorta near worcester mass.. and would like to know how she can get an email account (MCI mail or something) that has a LOCAL connect call. if anyone knows about this kind of thing.. an MCImail # to call to find ou where the connect stations are..etc.. anything to help our becca out. send mail and help to me (tod3253@ACFcluster.nyu.edu)... 'cos she said she won't read her mail often enough. thanks everyone. :) >>taylor.noun.adjective.noun [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 21:34:03 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! >i myself don't, never have and never will do any E or acid. i just don't feel >the need to do it. it's not a part of my scene. the music is what i'm here >for. and the music trances me and makes me smile more purely and truely than >any chemikal would. most of my friends who do acid at raves just end up >sitting in one spot all night, never getting up to dance.. and just stare.. >a lot of fun that is... >is that what raving is about? >i think not. >>>taylor.prototype.808 Hmmm... hard letter to reply to, since I feel very strongly in both directions. On the one hand, I totally respect your opinion - I went to raves for two years in LA without doing _anything_ (no E or LSD, no drinking or smoking, in fact I was made so paranoid about drugs by the Just Say No Gestapo I refused to take aspirin or cold medicines) and still had the time of my life. I didn't feel any need to take it then, and also I wasn't exposed to others who had taken it or knew of a reliable source, and I was usually the driver anyways. I had the time of my life, and could always find the energy to dance and the mental energy to concentrate on the music and trance out. Currently, I go to maybe 80 to 90% of my raves completely clean save for maybe sleep deprivation (which is the most interesting drug in my opinion). And those chEmicAls could disappear from the face of the planet and I would still go to raves every week, simply because I get enough out of most of them to make it worth the effort. Now I probably shouldn't express the other hand for my own net.safety, but since the FBI probably has a file on me the size of a good metropolitan phone book, let me speak up in defense of acid and E at raves. There are three main reasons why they and raves go well together, in my mind: 1) They allow you to totally get inside the music in case you have never been able to do that before (most people can't - very few people I know who _aren't_ ravers can actually absorb music below their skin and feel it, emote with it, respond to it, etc). Taylor, I think you have this one covered. 2) Both give you lots and lots of energy, and you feel like you were MEANT to dance. This is an extension of #1. And strange that, good raves always go until 8 or 9 in the morning, just as most acid trips are ending... AGAIN, this is something that many people I know who are not ravers just cannot understand; they cannot reason why perfectly normal kids would want to dance for so long every Saturday night, in the middle of the night fer cryin out loud. Taylor, AGAIN, I think you have this one covered. 3) Raves are very _safe_ places to dose; they always strip away the paranoia which many people (myself included) can get if dosing alone or at home. Raves surround you with friendly people, lots of water, and sensory nutrification (ever gotten bored on lsd? it sucks!). But I also feel safe at raves if I don't dose, so this isn't really a benefit of dosing so much as a benefit of raving. I think one of the most important things to know about these drugs is that it's very easy to approach them the wrong way, to think of them as recreation (like pot). They should not be viewed in the same context as, say, renting a movie or playing a video game. They are NOT good methods of escape, because they will almost always throw you head-first back into your own problems. My first trips were, I hate to say, underwhelming. I was expecting a completely different world; I was expecting to be thrown into an Alice in Wonderland voyage that would be completely unlike the present. Boy was I wrong... not to say they weren't fun, but they just weren't something that was completely different than trancing out to music or to love, just more intense. I finally came to the conclusion that they weren't as overwhelming as most other accounts of first-time trips basically because, well, I had less to learn than most people. And I think anyone who can get inside a beat or trance out (I mean, trance out to the point of losing your train of thought) to a 303 bassline or let the music drive them into dancing for 7 hours straight has less to learn from taking LSD or E than most people. If any of you get to the point where you find yourself saying to yourself, "well, this rave is only OK, if I don't dose I probably won't be able to have fun" then you're taking them for exactly the wrong reason. And many times I feel that too many people are saying this to themselves at raves :( I think many other people use drugs as an excuse to do certain things at raves that normal American culture doesn't like, such as smile and hug random strangers or dance for hours without stopping or wear panda earmuffs and carry a teddy bear. Why do I think this? Because a couple of times I've gone to raves clean, and started talking with a girl who was X'ing, being friendly, not being sexual or anything: and when she asked me if I was X'ing I said no, and I could instantly see that she felt 30 times more uncomfortable around me than if I had said yes. That, my friends, sucks. I love a reply I heard on alt.drugs a few months ago; someone was complaining because they thought that ecstasy was ruining the rave scene. The reply stated, "that's funny, I think the rave scene is ruining ecstasy". So am I pro-drugs-at-raves or anti-drugs-at-raves? Well, overall I'm pro-legalization; I think drugs, taken in the right amounts and with the right mind set and physical setting, can provide revolutionary insights. And raves are perhaps a very good place to take them. But far too many people are using them for the wrong reasons. I think a good guideline would be, don't dose on anything at your first rave, and don't take anything for the first time at a rave. You should experience and make sure you enjoy and appreciate them individually before combining the two. Just my $.03 Brian ~c sfraves [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: MLKJr's b-day... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:41:40 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) ESSENCE! Long Island, saturday!!!! watch for the Rave-O-Matic... lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 22:25:11 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Substances/Raving > I don't think that raves and drugs are necessarily complimentary to one > another. For one, raves are very social in their nature, while drugs > like acid are not (acid by default, because E is pretty expensive and > difficult to find in its best form, therefore causing people to seek > alternatives). Acid (or any hallucinogen for that matter) seems to be > a personal thing. Sure, they enhance one's own personal experience, but > I also think that they detract from the vibe of the rave. I think it's > difficult to be interactive and social when your mind is zooming at a > hundred thousand miles an hour, and you're making hundreds of 'brilliant' > connections - looking at things from fifty different perspectives, and > walking from world to world as if you were living a story.. hmm, I feel 100% opposite. All my bad trips have been while dosing alone, except once at a rave and then I was very grateful when a few of my friends came to my rescue and made sure I didn't do something stupid like leave the rave and walk in the middle of the street outside. > I've tried hallucinogens before, and I can say that I'd much rather be > outside, and not at a rave. I think the people would really bug me > out, and cause me to think in lousy circles.. Oh well, just my opinion. I agree with you there, but who says raves hafta be indoors? I think raves should happen during the day in parks, rather than at night in warehouses, but that's MHO... > I really wish the people were more into the music and the dancing.. I'll > bet 95% of the ravers at Nebula last night would be able to name a > lousy commercial techno group, but probably not a good independent dance > music record label.. Agree with you on that score too. Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: BOSTON Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 01:55:20 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) join me for RISE! for all: i'm going to make a habit of putting on the hype chillin music on the massive, Klipsch Corner-Horns, layin out the matresses and pillows, and kickin' back- every friday from 10pm-midnight before I go to RISE. it doesn't really have to be a "pre-rave" type thing at all, but more of a Hookup-O-Matic type-thing. a place where people can just come and hang out- listen to- and share their favorite music- a place to eat, sleep, dance, etc. please come if you can... meet other ne-raverz, randoms, and friends. - a place to feel comfortable before dancing all night. no matter what any people say- RISE is just getting more and more magical for me. everytime i go, it just is more friendly and happy. OVERLOAD of maine spun last friday, he is so nice! he takes requests, and spins the sweetest tunes! (age of love, kinetic, etc...) i was talking magical: after orgasming all over the floor to "age of love" right in front of the speaker like I always do, i was in utter sober ecstacy... someone taps me on the arm... i slowly turn, beaming with love... it's camper, smiling from ear to ear! he hands me a cassette, he says "Kinetic"!!!!! MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL, MAGICAL. SO IF ANYBODY IS IN TOWN, AND LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO, COME HANG-OUT, AND WE'LL DANCE THE NIGHT AWAY TOGETHER. :) i'll post directions to my place again later in the week. :) ALSO: i'd like to offer my space for a pre-SENSORIUM (SENSORIUM is going to be Unbelievable. small, intimate, space. best DJ's on the East coast. period.) party, sunday night. more later. :) lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Shannon Coen Burton-Conner #341C, M.I.T. 410 Memorial Dr., Cambridge, MA 02139 Ph.#: 617/225-8317 (sorry, i wish i had an answering machine.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 13:50:01 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: weekend just to add a few points about the post-Liquid Holiday: It was really nice being that small. Hartung was cool. Dante's set was nice, very nice. They flooded the dance room with the dry ice and made it so that it was really thick. After a first burst of energy i kind of lost it. spun around the wharehouse and then watched the world go round and round.. . . . . . But about twenty minutes before left, got a feel and started to devouer the music, eat it up. It was a realy nice groove. Wish i never had to leave. First Liquid Holiday was good what there was of it. Scott Henry and F. Bones. (1212) Remember when leaving Liquid Holiday a lense from my glasses popped out and was looking along the ground for it. Borrowed a flashlight from some guys. Quote:" I'd like to help you find it but im tripping right now..." It was an incredible weekend. I want to dance tonight!!! Damn where is a week-long rave when you need it? Heard more house at past 2 raves then any others Heard WONDERLAND is supposed to be all house. When I close my eyes i see strobe lights... :) peaceout doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 14:04:18 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: Substances/Raving im making no judgements here but i have felt that i have not needed any substances to get me in the groove to dance. i like to dance because of the music and how it sounds. The way i move my body is an expression of what i feel within. ilike dancing to all stuff. HARDCORE for the sheer energy it packs. BREAKBEAT because when it is playing my feet dont stop, and the slower stuff because it alows me to perform more fluid moves and alows me time to have my feet moving continiously and it alows for more intricate movements for a much longer time unlike the 150 bpm's which i can only keep up for maybe a minute. Simply put the music allows me to express myself, which i dont need drugs for the needed help. doug ))))) a booming bass for a loving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 14:13:36 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: can u name this song? Hey i was wondering if anyone could help me identify a song. it builds up slowly its hardcore and starts off with this woman voice saying somthing like. "In my world there is pure - - -- I live on the planet -----" sorry bout the vagueness. Frankie Bones played it at Liquid Holiday. (the cops follow his steps) thanks. doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: the next HOM... and pre-SENSORIUM CYBERTRIBE GATHERING Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 02:49:57 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i know that most rave-related traveling plans almost always are last minute, but... i think releasing the HOM (Hookup-O-Matic) on thusday-night is TOO last minute for people to make connections for rides, crash space, etc... so I'd like to release it on wed. nights. that way people have two days to make connections for events on fridays and saturdays. if you can semi-finalize your weekend plans and send them to me by wednesdays at midnight, I think it would be universally appreciated... :) **never.stop.dancing.thinking.loving. **friday, minight-6am, RISE. **saturday, midnight-???, ESSENCE. **sunday, 5pm-9pm, pre-SENSORIUM rave-ette. smart-bar.2 dance floors.sharing.meeting.music. music for the mind and body, brothers and sisters. i have: the space, chill-out-room audio and some visual equipt., speakers for main dance floor, full size bar for smart/dumb bar. i need (you bring?): people to come :), lighting and visuals, amps & turntables and vinyl (and accompanying DJ's!) for main room, help with $$$ for smart/dumb bar contents, anything else you can think of? (live performance by taylor, john and others?) get back to me on this. help if you can. if there's no support, we can have a one room-er, without any effort... RSVP _SOON_. LET'S DO IT! THE MORE OF THESE WE DO, THE BIGGER THEY WILL BECOME. EVENTUALLY, WE'LL HAVE A FULL-BORE, NE-RAVES RAVE, AND PEOPLE WILL SAY "GEE, THAT WAS EASY ENOUGH!" START SMALL- "HOUSE PARTIES". PRACTICE. LOVE THEM. NURTURE THEM. THEY WILL GROW. THEY WILL BECOME "WAREHOUSE PARTIES"! "THE NEXT EVOLUTION IS UPON US...DON'T RESIST IT." **sunday, 9pm-9am, SENSORIUM. lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:34:20 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! You bring up an interesting point about E - about how it lets you get into the music. I have never done any illicit drugs, ever (only because I've never been exposed to them really). I suppose this is bad becuase curiousity builds up, and reading alt.psychoactives avidly doesn't help either. Anyway, when I dance I can trance out...but it's only for maybe 2 minutes on and then 15 minutes off. I am constantly thinking about my surroudings and all the stimuli. So for me, it's like just tasting this magical feeling, and I really want more of it. If E can help me...well then lets say I'm very likely to try it given the opportunity. I unfortunatly never even tranced out once during the past two raves. This made very sad...everything was perfect, but my mental state I guess. One one level it's kind of depressing... *big thanx to robcamp for coming up for ultraworld ]I[ !!! * digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all audiomaster.... . . . . . . . . . the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love afair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:46:00 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: rave gear my favorite rave gear: my four foot droopy cat in the hat hat, anyone of my charivari star trek the next generation looking sale merchandise shirts, large purple pants, an open mind, some sort of toys (goggles, morracas (sp?), fuzzy things, etc...) a friend or two, a shoulder bag for my jacket, and to keep the rave flyers and bottled water in. and this necklace i made. my favorite drink: i like smart drinks... but they]re usually too costly. so i drink smuggled in water til the liqour laws kick in at 6am, and then drink rolling rock and find an after rave with cheesy ny house i can feel beautiful to. the only time i liked a lollipop was when i was on mushrooms. i once brought powerbars with me. bad idea. duh... pat To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:37 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: NASA + FLUID = FUN (part 1) Being too poor to venture down to Baltimore, I stayed at home this weekend, wanting to take advantage of the rumored free opening of NASA. The usual suspects (me, Taylor, Ed, John) gathered and headed over to The Shelter, arriving about 11:40. THE LINE WAS HUGE, but we decided to wait anyway (Why? Because we're weird. I don't know.) Turns out that NASA was NOT free, and because the line was so long we had to pay $12 because we got in after midnight. On top of all that, Mello -- the guy who had said that NASA would be free, was not around (or at least I didn't see him). Got inside around 1.10 am, and quickly stowed our stuff on the stage in the main room. Much dancing ensued, and I was totally wowed by the lights. The main floor is pitch black execept for the lights where the DJs are and the intellabeams and strobes. Lots of fog. A very weird effect, I liked it! When we got there Scott Henry was just coming on, and he starting spinning some really nasty breakbeat. What I mean by nasty is that it was the same break loop over and over, and poorly mixed to boot. Fortunately, it didn't last very long. Scott then switched to a more groovy housey type of music, and from there went in to what turned out to be an excellent trance set. It went on and on and was happy and groovy. As he was coming out of the deep trance he played Disintegrator's "Dark Black Ominous Clouds." And yes, it did fit. It is trancy. While dancing away I noticed a tall rather cute guy with a very pretty girlfriend kept staring at me. I realized they must be Tom and Michelle from Chicago, and they were! Introductions were made, and they joined us for a while at our "camp" on the stage. At 3.30 am Lenny D came on and did his hardcore thing. We stood around and watched him spin: the guy gets his stuff perfectly beatmatched after about 3 seconds. We jumped around a bit, and then we all retired to the chill room to eat the free NASA snacks (pop corn, cheese worms, potato chips, granola with rasins, little mints) and drink smart drinks (very yummy with real fruit). While grooving to Mr. Kleen's very pretty light airy trance some tall dark guy wearing a great UR badge introduced himself and it turned out to be Darshan. I had been afraid that since it took us so long to get into the club that we would have missed everyone, but it worked out anyway. At 5.00 we decided to call it quits, and we left. We looked around to say goodbye to people, but NASA was so packed it was hard to move so we just bugged out and went home. Anyway, the final word on NASA: The Best Techno Club I've Ever Been To. Great lights, great chill room, great smart drinks (good sized with real fruit for 3.50 -- little more than what you would pay for a soda at some Manhatten clubs). If only it weren't so crowded (Taylor says "this is the worst night I've ever seen at NASA.") Well, if that was the worst, you can bet I'll be going back for more!!! Well, I think I'll mail this now, and do part two (FLUID) later. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:58 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: NASA + FLUID = FUN (part 2) We got to sleep about 6.30 am after NASA, and I slept until 2.30. We returned to Taylor's (and he made us a yummy pasta dinner), and then we began the journey out to Long Island. The drive out to the rave site was over an hour from Manhatten. And the directions I got from Camper (which agreed with the directions Will-E got from Groove) were WRONG. Has it become the custom to mess up rave directions a bit to throw people who really shouldn't be there off the track? Anyway, we found the place after about 5 minutes of figuring things out (it's a LEFT turn onto Lamar, not a right, Camper). The location was an industrial park, across the street from a HUGE HUGE cemetary. No residents around to complain about the noise, off the main roads so no one could complain about the traffic, a good location as far as avoiding busts goes. FLUID was meant to be a small party, so there was no problem parking nearby and no line to get in. We entered into a small office-like area (very very small, maybe 12' by 12'), where there were black lights, cheezy 60's black light trip posters, a smart bar, and an ne-raves sticker up on the wall! I guess Camper (or Chuck?) had been there! We spent the evening looking for Chuck, but didn't see him. Anway, a door in the back of the office led to the dance area, which resembled a garage big enough to hold a single 18-wheeler. There was a decent bathroom, too. The area seemed crowded, and most of the people were just standing around. We dumped our gear and hit the floor as Denard was spinning some juicy acidy tunes. It turned out that up by the speakers a good number of people were dancing, it was just in the back that people were standing around. Familar faces from other New York-area raves started emerging from the crowd. Okay, I am going to admit something that I've been afraid to say for fear of ridicule, but I ADMIT IT. I AM A HARDCORE KIND OF GIRL. HOOK MY BRAIN UP TO A 909 KICK AND I WILL BE HAPPY FOREVER. Adam X spun a set of what some of us would call "good hardcore," as opposed to the dissonant nosebleed spleen-crunching stuff favored by reviewer "Cousin Sal" from _Under One Sky_. Adam X called this stuff "trance," but, remember New York is a land where "Black Ominous Clouds" counts as trance, so . . . . regardless, I liked it and danced pretty much continuously for his 2 and a half hour set. Adam X gave way to Jimmy Crash, who started out with more of the "Brooklyn trance," and worked his way down to more traditional trance. Once again, Jimmy showed that it's what you do and not what you say that makes you a good DJ -- without any fanfare, without any jumping around, he took us on a good trip from hard fast acid trance to the seemingly contradictory state of excited mellowness, preparing us for James Christian. James came on at 5.30 am (all the DJs had two and a half hour sets), opening with that Golden Girls thing with the lovely pipes that everyone is so fond of these days. Taylor brightened up visibly. We stayed until after 7.00. Random notes: The space was too small for the size of the crowd. I think there were between 250 and 300 people there. Fortunately, a lot of people left around 4.00 am, making the crowd size acceptable. By 5.00 am it was perfect. Having a small (by New York standards) crowd was good, because after about two hours I could recognize just about everyone in the place. The lighting was cheap and effective. One He-Ne doing great lissajous patterns and beam sweeps, some black lights, a movie projector, a slide projector, and an oil projector. What was really neat was that the lighting people kept moving the effects around -- for a while they would shine at one one wall, then they'd move to another, then they'd be turned off for a while so it didn't get boring. I found out that dancing in the cone of a slide projector showing colorful slides is almost as good as dancing in an emulator cone. Met Will-E from ne-raves, and several of his friends. What a happy bunch! Lots of people asked me what drugs I was on because I had a really goofy grin on my face the whole time. Hey, that's vibe! My reply . . . "for a lot of people, 909's work." I think that you can use acid and X to teach your brain to accept a 909 as a drug . . . well, that's what my FOAF (uh-huh) does. Anyway, I just really liked the music. Not in a coffee-table I-want-to-buy- this-for-home-use sort of way, but rather in a "hey, good for moving to" sort of way. I took it upon myself to smile at people and try to make friends, and ended up having the best non-ne-raves experience in that respect. Some people recognized me from my recent foray to Groove, and were friendly and talkative and glad to see me. I recognized other people from other raves and from the N-Joi show at the Limelight, and introduced myself and received smiles and hugs in return. One guy asked me if I had any more bubble gum. I didn't have any on me, but later on got some from our rave bag, and then spent 10 minutes looking for him. Once I presented him with the blow pop I got a big hug and a kiss on the forehead. I smiled at people all night and got smiles, water, and candy back. Now, if you're from a friendlier area of the world (CA) or are used to a smaller, more connected scene (like Boston), this might not seem like a big deal to you, but for New York it WAS a big deal. People in the New York Metropolitan area are so crowded both physically and mentally that it's hard to break through protective shells at all. In all, this was the best rave I've ever gone to while straight. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 11 Jan 93 13:39:10 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: ! WARNING ! Hello all you happ-E people. I just thought I'd warn you all of a somewhat strange phenomenon that may occur, due to the fact that you are a raver. After raving/dancing to 110-160bmp+ for so long, your body getz uzed to a really up beat tempo when dancing. And thatz how your dance synopsez fire. Really fast. Well Tareq and I hit the Smart Bar friday and jam as such til about 3:30 am (By the way I slipped mike filly one of our ne-raves stickers :)) Now, the next day is when this strange phenomenon occured. I was invited to a reggae party (way hip!). I didn't know what I was in for until I hit the dance floor and tried to keep my feet from going at 140bpm (which they were having none of,) while the reset of my body went on about raving to reggae, which must be all of 37bpm, topz ! It is a very strange feeling, and must be an even stranger sight. Especially for a black cat ! Bad for the rep ! :) So I suggest practicing on your own before going to a slower tempo event, lest ye be the object of embarrasing talk and starez. RAVE -N- REGGAE +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:19:39 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: more fuzzy logic info Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:20:18 EST Thanks so far for the response. Here is the latest... there is now a fuzzy logic mailing list (fuzzy@media.mit.edu) and soon there will be an ftp site. this will keep traffic off of ne-raves. If you have sent me a fuzzy logic questionaire you will be added to the list. Only contributors who have filled one out will be placed on the list. I have recieved replys from... ciamac@media.mit.edu laura@usl.com tibbets@saturn.hsi.com perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu red 26@aol.com 74200.674@compuserve.com dj killer@aol.com cyberpun@wam.umd.edu these people have replyed with interest but not filled out a questionaire... libby@bedford.progress.com mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu DJESRANI%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu sprother@nyx.cs.edu caliban@soda.berkeley.edu shalako (please fill out the questionaire at the end of this message if you would like to be on the fuzzy list and contribute to the zine.) in the next few weeks we wil l be brain storming and mentally designing the first issue so please send any ideas or columns you 'd like to write. ideas i have so far: column ideas...1. ravetech(how different lights work and lazers and what not) 2.mix tech(everything about making your own techno 303's to 1200's) 3. smart-tech(smart drugs and healthy home brew energy boosters) 4. project column(build your own portable strobe, mixing board, drugs?, toys and etc.) 5. media watch (looking for misinformation and ravesploitation in the media.) 6. stats column(surveys ie how many people take x at raves kind of stuff) 7.submit your idea here! i'm looking for one person to take each of these ideas and do the coulmn monthly and make it their own. the mag is going to be thick. goal- 10 regular columns, 10 pages of scene reports, 5 pages of letters, 10 pages of feature stories, 10 pages of reviews, 5 pages of classifieds at $2 per ad(tape exchanges and etc.) and 30 pages of ads to make it happen. things i need- lists of people or bands to interview places that may advertise phone and fax #'s ways to self promote philosiphy about how a non-profit rave zine should be done story ideas thanks for your help...the whole scene will benefit! chuck revar@aol.com warm and "fuzzy" questionaire 1. How many hours a week can you put in? 2. are you willing to hand out issues at raves? 3. are you willing to beg people to place ads?(no,...really! this is a sucky job!) but you will get %15 of ad rates ($75 on a $500 ad) 4. can you come to ny the last weekend of the month(i just need about 4 people)? no matter what cool rave is happening? 5. What position would you like to fill and can commit to? 6. What is your address and home phone? 7. Would you be willing manage a (snail) mail list and get addresses at raves?a [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:26:49 PST From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! > most of my friends who do acid at raves just end up > sitting in one spot all night, never getting up to dance. I think your friends take way too much acid. (Just an opinion.) I know a lot of people who like to dance (i.e. people who have no problem going to raves drug-free and who like rave music outside the rave environment) who insist that acid is the best drug for dancing. But which drugs to take (including taking no drugs at all, of course) is a choice best left to the individual. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Weekend, etc. Date: 11-JAN-93 14:46:43.78 I suppose I haven't much to add to all of th' accountz of the Ulta-Holi-Weekend. It was cool meeting so many ne-ravers for the first or second time. Peace and loveism to all you mofos. I would like to say, this being my first rave experiences south of New York City that the crowd was somewhat different from the New York scene. It seemed like you had more alternative-raver types down there and at the same time more hip-hop types circle dancin: ive only seen this at raves where the vibe was pretty bad (like Quest I and for a little while at Quest II, in the beginningg of Ultraworld III, etc) but even when the vibe was good, someone would start dancingg wacked., people would crowd around and stare and two ore three people would receive all this attention for thirty minutes. It may have something to do with the fact that the overall dancing is better up north (no flamez pleez) there were a lot more jocko-pahty dood fux walking around at Liquid then ive ever seen since being at clubs like the lamelite ;). i saw fortys and crushed beer cans gggalore. at one point i backed up while dancing into this guy and turn around and find a six foor two gennlemin givingg me the total attitude stare. Fux like this i dont need. Thankfully these people started to flee before the ravez bust. Something occurred to me. As the northeast raverz are grajewalee gettingg to know each other better and better, events can be less publicized and word would still get out to the right people and our eventz would benuhfit. the scene is quasi-underground right now, i'd like to see a full-fledged underground start up with all those right elementz. it was cool overall tho. Liquid Holiday probably wouldve been pretty good had it not been busted. Oh well... --Mr. SLACKER! SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu li'l hardkore dipshit [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Re: ! WARNING ! Date: 11-JAN-93 14:59:54.33 yeah this pheenomuhnon. i recall when it happened to me... the days when i thought my old 808 sounded like it had been dragged through a bucket of molasses before beingg placed in me cd player.... its just yor dance synapsez have not diversified enuff yet to differentiaite high vs, low speed dance muziks... you start off with top 40 synapsez and they will overload after yor reaching better dance musiks and after a while the explosion will field your whole brain with the proper elementz to dance successfully to 37 BPM vs. 165 BPM without mismatchingg the danstyles. just be patient and wait for your field of vision to fill with sparkz. --Mr. SparklE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:48:45 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: nasa/fluid well...laura summed it up pretty well..nasa was cool. but, in my opinion, like she said, it was the worst i've ever been to...nasa is a GREAT club.. and when it's "bad" it's still fun. it was just toooo crowded.. way too crowded. the main dance floor music was either breakbeat, hardcore or cheeeeezzz dimytri house...all of which i can get into for a short while.. but, without any trance or acid to make me float.. i just couldn't get into it... the chillout room was nice though. mr. kleen did his usual bliss..nice blippy trance..again, it was too crowded in there..the snartdrinks were heavenly tho. it was fun.. but, not great.. the same was just about true for fluid..it was cool.. but, the music was TOO loud.. and no way to get away from it.. no chill out room..well.. things changed at about 5:30, when james christian came on.. i started to get into it more.. the crowd was thinning...the music was trancing.. and the faces were familiar and happy. i didn't even realize we were dancing with heather heather until ed told me after that it was her... the lights were cool. it was a neat space.. just a little crammed... the music was EXCELLENT all night long.. just a little loud. the hardcore was great hardcore.. and denard's acidtrance set was well done. all in all i had a good time. i wish i could have stayed a little longer to continue my late bloomed happiness, but, it was cool nonetheless... my mind is already locked (on target) for this weekend's ESSENCE..i think who- ever is going should pool together and get a stretcher to take me out on at the end of the event... one last word of FLUID: i think the b'klyn posse earned a few more points with this event..they delivered what they promised.. a small, intimate, trance and hardcore evening.. >>taylor.radiate.love 808080808080808080808 808080808080808080808 808080808080808080808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Light my fire... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:07:13 EST I heard this weekend a remix of tainted love (soft cell) with Jim Morrison. Jim Morrison from the doors. Ahah, got your attention! Now it looks like the instrumental version of tainted love pumped up a la tainted love 91 and on top of that was light my fire ,live, from the Doors. Is this a real remix or is it a product of a wicked local mind? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: NASA + FLUID = FUN (part 1) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:50:28 EST > At 3.30 am Lenny D came on and did his hardcore thing. We stood around > and watched him spin: the guy gets his stuff perfectly beatmatched after > about 3 seconds. This amazed me even more than normal, because their tables sat on these shock-isolating platforms that hung on rubber bands (lots of them!) with no damping whatsoever! Touch the table, and it boings a couple inches in any direction for quite a while. They must have been tracking the cartridges at about a pound... Through it all, Lenny was able to do his super-fast beatmatching and blind backcueing undaunted... ("Excuse me, sir, how do you get to Carnegie Hall?" "Practice, my boy, practice.") > Great lights, great chill room, great smart drinks (good sized with real > fruit for 3.50 -- little more than what you would pay for a soda at some > Manhatten clubs). And a little less than you might pay at others -- at the Limelight, for the N-Joi show, they charged $4.50 for a tonic water! I'm not sure I want to know what they'd charge for a call drink. Anyway, I echo Laura's sentiments about NASA. Afterwards, we were kind of musing on how neat it would be to move Thunderground's building to where NASA is now, since that old brewery is such a great space. (But, if Thunderground is dying as fast as it looks like it is, we might just have time to move it brick by brick! :-) > Well, if that was the worst, you can bet I'll be going back for more!!! Me too! -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:27:17 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (how can you argue with faith?) Subject: Re: dance-ability, RISE, and stuff... You ought to dance around taylor and I when we're dancing and screaming "Nice reverb" "ooooo.. 303! 303! 303!" "big fat 909 kick!" and generally analyzing the hell out of the songs and LOVING it :) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Re: aarghhh !!!! ! Date: 11-JAN-93 17:30:53.47 I agree from what i've hear frum a FOAFOAF :) Said FOAFOAF (hereafter referred to as F) has tried acid and e, and F has found the effects to enhance F's energy level. This has unfortunately become necessary because poor li'l F gets very SADD in the cold months up North. and this effects F's NRG level. F remembers dancing hoursnhours at Steurm in Sept on nada to the nice hahdkoah (F likes it just as muchas I) with nothingg but F was tirefd out after every 5 energetic minnits at Revelation pre-e-trip and Liquid Holiday. This depresses F greatly because F misses the daze when he could dance with nothing ggreatly. Perhaps it iz becuz F wants only to listen to sad muses stuff rite now. Poor F. :) But F will be better when it gitz warmer. CuZ F has gotz t' git down. peace and loveism.... Mr. {SLACKER!} FsparklE..Sfb [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:39 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Some DJ Spew High Witness News -- Feb. '93 No.1 [ Dennis the Menace was handing this out at Fluid. These look like reprints of old _Streetsounds_ columns. -- Laura ] NEW YORK RAVE The Bones Report by Frankie Bones When I read back to past reports I can't beleve how far the scene has come in the last 12 months. The past few weeks have been amazing with Washington, DC, now at the helm of the East Coast _Enterprise_ (I do mean the spaceship, not $$$). The CATASTROPHIC CREW pulled in over 4,000 at a huge warehouse in DC (10/28), followed by almost the same at DEFCON (11/13). The Catastrophic event had such DJs as ADAM X, JIMMY CRASH, JAMES CHRISTIAN, SCOTT HENRY, and JOSH WINK and more, but the DJ console shook, making the records skip and sending most of these "A"-rated DJs running for cover. They had the most lights I've ever seen on the coast, plus a killer three- color laser which was amazing -- the sound could not compare, though, and the chillout room was a mistake. Our biggest problem both in DC and NY is "socializing" and my idea is to lock people into an area so they can't escape them music. [ EXCUSE ME, but if the music wasn't so lacking of innovation we wouldn't have to escape. I love hardcore (see my last post for a true confession), but it is stagnating as a musical form. It got hard hard hard -- how many saw tooth waves can you take? According to Spike at Planet X in New Jersey, it is getting softer again (and at the same time trance is getting harder). But anyway, if people get locked into a groove they won't WANT to sit down, but sometimes they NEED to sit down, and to clear their heads, so they can go back for more more more. And how can you have unity if people don't get to know each other on a one-on-one basis? ] The DefCon event had to use the same space because fire marshalls wouldn't allow use of the underground parking lot it was originally planned for. It was Friday the 13th, and the night of bad luck really hurt what could have been the best rave yet on this side of the Atlantic. Someone tripped over a power cord, blowing four fuses in four amps and the sound guys tried to rewire everything but it never got to where it was originally. DOC MARTIN, KEOKI, and myself, who had been talking about DJing together for a year now, had our opportunity with a half-assed sound system. It was fun, though, when we went mix for mix in a manic freestyle-tribal xtravaganza. Other DJs on the night included the mystical DAVE TRANCE, DefCon's LIEVEN DE GEYNDT, SUZE CYCLONE, and Scott Henry. MICRO from NY and DESTRUCTO from LA never made it. FIERCE RULING DIVA did a good show and I think the crowd had a good time. The future for DC looks promising as there's a good Washington- New York connection. Four hours up Interstate 95 in either direction is quick, especially with a few Frankie Bones mix tapes [ Oooh, blatant self-promotion. ] and a six-pack of Jolt Cola!! [ Maybe we should buy stock in the company? ] On the same night, Adam X, RICHIE HAWTIN, HEATHER HEATHER, ROB SHERWOOD, and the TURBO ZEN guys did POWER RAVE in Pittsburgh, PA, to 800 hardcore ravers. It's great that it's happening all over America. Also, Adam and Richie headlined the big MAYDAY rave in Germany (12/12) and on the same night we had the latest STORMRAVE in New York. [ Notice how he doesn't *say* anything about that rave? It is acknowledged, even among the Groove Posse, that that rave was beat. Hence, there are no more Storm raves for a while. In fact, Dennis the Menace (of Joint Ventures, the Storm Rave promotion arm) said to John Adams at Fluid: "I'm getting sick of this. The music all sounds the same, the parties all feel the same. We're waiting for the next big breakthrough in techno and *then* we'll throw a really big party." Well guys (Eric, Todd, Taylor, John, Darshan, and anyone else out there I missed who is also a musician, GO FOR IT. Techno needs to go to a new level. It needs something. Re-invent it. Make a new genre. The rave world is waiting.) ] SPUTNIK, whose last event did 1,700, lifted off again with EXPLORER I (12/1). And NASA, which did 1,600 with MOBY and ALTERN-8 (10/30), [ and was a terrible party full of record-industry types ] are now looking for bigger spaces. DEBO, up in Boston, pulled only 500 people for LIFE. The passes were horrible [ In a way they were. It said lasers, there were no lasers. It listed places to buy advanced tickets, there were no advanced tickets. ] but there was an impressive DJ lineup and reports said the party was good but it was too far to travel. [ Wimpy New Yorkers. It's less than 4 hours from Manhatten to Worcester (because Worcester is closer than Boston by about 45 minutes, and it only takes me 4 hours to get from Manhatten to Boston when traffic is cooperative.) Frankie says you can hack 4 hours to DC with some tapes and some Jolt, so why don't you give Boston another try! Dave Trance told me he made the jaunt from WAY out on Long Island (from James Christian's home near Caffeine) to Worcester in 3 and a half hours. I really don't want to know how fast Dave was driving that Aerostar van of his! ] Better luck next time. Anyway, I'll keep ya posted on what's what in rave up here in New York as we go rave-crazy in 1993. Peace, love and tekno. The J Report by Joey Nice One & Jason Jinx Less beautiful sunrises, the everlasting cough, and all indoor venues: you guessed it, the cold weather is here. We could look on the bright side: you'll feel less guilty about sleeping the day away, and you'll have a better excuse for wearing that silly sock on your head. Do they make them in thermal!?! This season has plenty of options for the many different directions of the New York Ravescene. Just remember: the key to having fun is an open mind, and most of all, different tastes do not lessen one's dedication to the scene. [ Hummm, a reference to the sometimes bitter division between DJs and ravers about trance versus Brooklyn hardcore? Advice to Mr. Bones? You be the judge. ] NASA at the SHELTER on Friday nights is still going strong. Recent weeks have hosted DJs from 808 STATE, JOSH WINK, SVEN VATH, and MARK SPOON of JAM & SPOON, along with resident DJs ON-E, JASON JINX, DB, SOUL SLINGER, GUY DMC, and MR. KLEEN. Back on our home turf, other events recently included the opening of the THUNDERGROUND in Staten Island. It's in association with StormRave and FRANKIE BONES, and appears to be their indoor shelter for the winter months. [ NOT. Gee, why didn't Frankie mention this? Perhaps because Joey Fax has been reduced to 99 cent shots to get people in the door? ] Following in the success of SPUTNIK I and more recently SPUTNIK II, Satellite Productions has EXPLORER I in a new location 10 miles from NYC. Britain's GRAEME PARK dropped in town on his was to California, and treated those at the SAFIRE bare in Soho to a brilliant set of tunes. Also at Sound Factory, was NASA's HALLOWEEN MASK-A-RAVE. There was a fantastic turnout. [ because everyone who was attending CMJ got in free ] A lot of happy faces filled the room, and walking around the outskirts was like playing tripper's pinball. ALTERN 8 and MOBY gave indcredible performances. [ So, Moby banging out of time with his music on a drum pad that was clearly not connected to anything so it couldn't possibly have been triggering anything is incredible? I'd rather watch New Order. ] The NASA DJs pumped out tunes [ tunes released on major labels in the USA, very very little independent stuff, and no white-label stuff ] to a manic dancefloor until 9 a.m., at which tie most people got a quick rest then headed to DC. [ Did we mention that a friend of John's who works for Sony told John that Sony paid the NASA organization to put on this "rave" for the CMJ convention? ] CATASTROPHIC's Halloween bash pulled in almost 4,000 in the good spirit of the east coast rave coalition. They hosted 16 DJs between two rooms, the only complaint being a somewhat lacking sound system. Due to the recent talk that the Ravescene [ I hate the way they capitalize the "rave" part and mush the word "scene" on the end. It's just the rave scene, okay? ] in its home base of England is dead, we decided to take a trip. The scene there has grown way too larger, yet if one digs deep enough they can find a vibrant underground. Although progressive house is stomping its way around, jungle techno still prevails. Rather than killing the scene, it has crowd excitement at an all time high and ravers are still having one hell of a good time. The free travelers parties have the truest crowd and capture the illegal spirit and "togetherness" vibe of the old days. If the party actually goes on it will be the best you will find. Spiral Tribe, Bedlam, and Armageddon are names to look for. For strictly techno purists Knowledge kicks every Wednesday. A great crowd filled with techno superstars dance like mad to grinding house. New York's LENNY DEE dropped by recently and set the place ablaze. When it comes to the large scale mega-rave, though, the Universe crew lead the way. They deliver their promises and succeedin drawing the most diverse happy vibe folk in England. Their events host different big tops for different types of music, carnival grounds, great sound systems and loads of visuals. Even the travelers pay to go to this one! PAUL SHUREY, the organizer of Universe, is now in Americal, looking for a space to bring it all here. England is far from dead and its energy is not matched. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Busts gAlore Date: 11-JAN-93 17:48:28.07 i just realized something... three out o'th' last four ravez ive been to ha'e been busted... Revelation, New Years (NYC), Liquid Holiday This is a mere 2 annuh-haf week period. IS ESSENCE WORTH IT THEN? If it getz busted im just gonna spit. Pehaps someone could reassure... Like were SF or LA ever plaggued like this at any point? I gotz ta know. help the poor hardkore boy... Mr. SparklE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:00:16 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (mirror of souls) Subject: Re: Some DJ Spew Couple things... Re: Lasers at life... Debo refused to pay pandemonium for a full color laser, causing steve to bring the laser back, and tell the laser crew not to show up with anything else... He was going to pay _me_ for lasers, but backed out of that last minute as well.. Most of what Dennis reported was old news, further evidence that the scene is stagnating. CHANGE THIS! -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: NASA + FLUID = FUN (part 1) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:20:48 -0500 From: "Fraktur" I was rather dismayed on Sunday when I returned to school and discovered that many of my fellow ne-ravers were at NASA on friday night as well, I wish that I could have met you all. IMO, NASA was great except for the rather large crowd. The lights completely blew my away. I got there about 12:30 after taking a longer than usual PATH ride from Hoboken NJ (which turned out to be a very _bad_ idea considering The Shelter is about 10 blocks from the closest NY station.) The line was huge, but everyone was very friendly (My thanks to the people behind me who shared their blow pops!) The fire marshall showed up when I was about 5 feet form the door, buy we hung around, and we finally got in for $12 at what must have been around 1:30 - 2. I ditched my stuff and met my friends inside, walked around and danced for awhile, and ended hanging out in the packed chill out room for much of the night (I liked the music there more than most of the stuff they were playing one the floor) When I was there, the enviroment of the floor was very cool. The lighting was excellent, but at certain parts of the night, the floor seemed rather empty for the amount of poeple pouring into the place. As a newborn raver, my first NASA experience was incredible. I think the place is amazing, the spirit, the people, it was awesome. Definitely better than anything Syracuse has to offer (or the New York club scene for that matter). I've decided one of the key things to find an incredible rave experience (aside from starthing one yourself) is to travel and that is something I'm definitely going to do in the future. Perhaps on my next excursion, I'll be able to meet some of you fellow travers out there. btw, what ever happened to the plans for the ne-raves rave in allentown, pa? It seems that there's not been as much traffic devoted to it since I left, is it still in the planning stages, or has it been scrapped? I could devote some of my time to helping out, by either getting the word out here in Syracuse or finding out info about allentown, as that's where my girlfriend's from. __peace__ Drew. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:29:50 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Orb samples... Just thought I'd mention something I found the other day... While listening to the Orb's "blue room" the other day i recognized the train noise as something I had heard before. It turns out that it was taken from a record I used to listen to as a child. It's a very old childrens story record called "Sparky and the talking train". Its about a kid who hears the train talking to him but no-one believes him as only he can here it. VERY Weird. After much searching at home, I managed to find it. Its very bizarre and probably helps to explain why I am who I am today. It needs to be heard to be believed... =) I'm sure this record is responsible for causing severe trauma in children all across the British Isles. It sends shivers down my spine every time I listen to it.... - Fluid (maybe it's just me ?......) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: i guess this is for all of you as well... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:38:29 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i think he wanted this to go to the list, but he only addressed it to me... ------- Forwarded Message Received: from ATHENA-AS-WELL.MIT.EDU by po7.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA06343; Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:29:09 EST Received: from bigboote.WPI.EDU by Athena.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA18450; Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:29:08 EST Received: from wpi.WPI.EDU by bigboote.WPI.EDU (5.67/CCC-3.0) id AA11387; Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:29:06 -0500 From: mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jesse Brook McCune) Received: by wpi.WPI.EDU (5.67/CCC-2.0) id AA24100; Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:28:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9301110828.AA24100@wpi.WPI.EDU> Subject: err... To: sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU (SHALAKO) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:28:56 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9301110749.AA04164@w20-575-54> from "SHALAKO" at Jan 11, 93 02:49:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 531 umm...sorry everyone...but I have to do this... Danato, Heh, I lost your email address and deleted all the mail with it, so I'll just write here...who knows, maybe someone else will have something to say anyways...I just got back from break and see that there are 3(!) raves this weekend(!?!)...are you going to any/all...costs?...rides?...crash sites?... help me please, I'm stranded without a car, and I've forgotten how to use computers(sort of, I forgot my password anyway)...thanks!!... jesse ------- End of Forwarded Message [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:47:52 PST From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Busts gAlore > three out o'th' last four ravez ive been to ha'e been busted... > Like were SF or LA ever plaggued like this at any point? Raves in illegitmate spaces usually have a high chance of getting busted. The police usually have no trouble finding out about any rave that attracts more than, say, 200 people. Fortunately, some of the promoters are finding good legitmate spaces and making the most out of them. And when you find out that a rave is going to be in one of those spaces, you feel a bit more confident that isn't going to get busted. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: i guess this is for all of you as well... > anyways...I just got back from break and see that there are 3(!) raves this > weekend(!?!)...are you going to any/all...costs?...rides?...crash sites?... > help me please, I'm stranded without a car, and I've forgotten how to use > computers(sort of, I forgot my password anyway)...thanks!!... I know this feeling _TOO_ well. I'm over here at Delaware without a car and have to make almost weekly pleas for rides etc. It's been a month since I last went to a rave and I'm starting to feel it. My life force is draining slowly but surely. I don't think I can last much longer. If anyone is coming my way this weekend I would be eternally grateful for a ride etc. (of course I'll split gas etc.). Thanks again... - Fluid (aLaN) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:26:53 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: random.sample Just some more directionless comments: I am seeing the ne-rave cybertribe stickers popping up everywhere. I just want to say that if you don't have any, order some from Revar now!! And they make cool ID badges too!!! Caught up in all the excitment of typing my review, I forgot to thank Robcamp for making it to Ultraworld. Who was the group that was going to play at Liquid Holiday? I was drooling over their synclaver. Does anyone know how I can correspond with Dante? I really would like to thank him for sticking around and spinning for the small amount of people who came back at liquid holiday. digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all audiomaster.... . . . . . . . . . the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love afair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: replies Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:37:24 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i've had two people today reply to one of my posts, but say things that make it apparent that they wanted their words to be seen by the entire list. just a reminder: when you hit that reply button, you have to add the address of the list, or it just goes out to the person who made the original post. p.s.'s 1) Anyone coming up to Boston for SENSORIUM, sunday? (i guess i should be happy i don't have to work monday...) 2) any responses out there to my offer to come hangout/pre-rave sunday before SENSORIUM? 3) anyone coming to RISE this friday? (Donato, Becca...want to do it again? always. every week. every day. never.stop.dancing.thinking.loving.sharing.) remember that i welcome any who like to come sit/dance for a bit in my big river-front-double-without-a-roommate before we go to RISE... 4) it sure is quiet out there... lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Busts gAlore have these past 3 busts all been with mr. bones? if so.. then it's him ordering the busts.. he still gets your money.. and they don't have to work that night. essence is legal. i doubt it'll get busted. if it does then i'm killing myself. >>taylor.trance.addikt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: that suspicious Craig's up to no good :) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:56:25 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) so who's the difference between Craig M. Kanarick kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU and Charles M Kozierok cmk@athena.mit.edu ??????????? Craig says he's cmk. But cmk is a guy named Charles M. Kozierok. Craig? are you out there? which one is you? lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: the great "My Winter Break" essay cop-out Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:44:42 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) well, i was going to include another part to the essay about CATASTROPHIC, but I get tired of writing long pieces of writing very easily, so i'll summarize... -huge space. my biggest rave yet. heard some hardcore i liked. heard unbelievable breakbeat. chill-out room was too small, but that's where "my" music is played, so i danced like a sedated wild animal for hours. the chillout room DJs were so nice, they played "kinetic" for me. twice. :) -"my" music was on the main floor now. i danced in my usual position, right in front of the speakers, forever. sober...but in ecstacy...you know what i mean. i handed out water to everyone in exchange for hugs. beautiful people. i have a talent of being able to wipe from my awareness the existance of assholes at raves. i didn't notice the jockos and their bimbos and their forties of beer until i had to leave, kicking and screaming. the people i was with like hardcore. only. when "my" music came on, they wanted to leave. i dont understand those DC people. -spent hours following Michelle and her friends around during the hardcore. they say thats the music they like, but they dont dance to it. i think there was more going on there than i was being told. Michelle has had a romantic history with one of her friends. i got the impression he didn't like me. unfortunately, he was the one with the car. so he decided when we left. He kept being mean to Michelle and I, often dragging her off to have one of those High-school-type "talks", which are really just bullshit depressing guilttrips to get her to sleep with him. finally, i couldn't take it anymore. emotional bullshit was not what i was there for. so i left them to their "talks", and had a great time by myself, made many new friends, saw Camper (Fancy that!) and Rob Campanell (hope to see you again soon!) and many others i recognized from the RISE crew. -the subject of Michelle and my impending depression forgotten, i had an incredable time. some say that they didn't like the laser cause people would stop dancing and stare. well, i think it was the most incredable thing any of my senses has ever experienced, and i do not say this lightly. it was UNBELIEVABLE. my brain WAS taken to another dimension (...did you pay close attention?). subconciously, people were lining up as in a greek theatre in tiers radiating out from the laser. all with jaws hung limp in amazement... the vibe, the collective conciousness at that moment was more powerful than anything you can experience dancing. it was beyond the body. -issue of Michelle and my relationship still not cleared up. currently experiencing violent mood swings, with a tendency toward a hopeless, lost & confused-type depression. oh, well, nothing new here. women. -stayed with chuck fletcher in his awesome, emitomy-of-an-NY-artist's flat in SOHO. just as my father described them. nothing changes. revar is coolest guy in the world! sythesizer stand-turned-stereo rack is so cool! delicious dried tomatos & french bread dinner! thanx 4-ever, revar! stud graphic-designer IN DA HOUZ! -bus back to boston delayed 4 hours in Hartford from icey roads. met two guys from portland, ME. who said they went to a place called the Sound Factory and did 3 pills of E, AND two tabs of acid, AND special K, AND cocaine. all at once. crazy people. -in case you cared. Shannon. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:47 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Busts gAlore >Raves in illegitmate spaces usually have a high chance of getting >busted. The police usually have no trouble finding out about any rave >that attracts more than, say, 200 people. Fortunately, some of the >promoters are finding good legitmate spaces and making the most out of >them. And when you find out that a rave is going to be in one of those >spaces, you feel a bit more confident that isn't going to get busted. That strange thing about the Liquid Holiday bust, though, is that they used the same space that Catastrophic used 4 times, and Catastrophic never had problems. I know that the promotion people were different (Tonka) but you think that they'd have it down pat. It's especially frustrating when you've paid $15 and had lots of sleep and expect to stay all night and morning, and then you get shut down in less than two hours. Really disappointing. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: weekend From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:59:58 EST NO WAY!!!!! IT KEPT GOING?!?! Oh man... We almost went back, but I figured it happened at Happiness, it won't happen here. We were even at that BBQ place until 4! Oh, I feel so stupid!!! Well, I'll know better next time! Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Busts gAlore Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:17:34 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Eric McCormick: > > That strange thing about the Liquid Holiday bust, though, is that they > used the same space that Catastrophic used 4 times, and Catastrophic > never had problems. Maybe they wanted it to be busted? I mean, it's so easy to check with the fire marshall (or dept) if a place is OK or not and get a permit. I have done a lot of parties and when i needed fire and/or alcool and/or city permit i got them. I have checked all bylaws for the different cities regarding sound ordinances, security bylaws etc... so to be prepared and to have everything i needed in case cops showed up. Twice a security guard joined us in the party (once at UdeM and one at Marie-Victorin). Good warehouses are ones which are completely empty, are at floor level and have a garage door on top of regular doors. Of course if it's an abandonned building with broken windows and an electrical system from hell, you can be sure it will be busted but otherwise i dont see why they would close it (unless illegal activities are commited). BTW, the garage door permits a fast evacuation of the place. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: that suspicious Craig's up to no good :) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:43:03 -0500 From: kanarick@media.mit.edu In message <9301120056.AA10268@w20-575-107.MIT.EDU> you write: >so who's the difference between > >Craig M. Kanarick kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU > >and > >Charles M Kozierok cmk@athena.mit.edu > >??????????? > > Craig says he's cmk. But cmk is a guy named Charles M. Kozierok. Craig? are > you out there? which one is you? Hmmmmm....I can assure you that the cmk@athena is merely an imposter. I am the one, the only, MC cmk! :-) -- cmk ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig M. Kanarick "Do I love you? Yes I love you. All this talking...talking... kanarick@media-lab.media.mit.edu is only bravado..." - The Blue Nile ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: replies Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 21:44:35 -0500 From: kanarick@media.mit.edu In message <9301120037.AA10238@w20-575-107.MIT.EDU> you write: >1) Anyone coming up to Boston for SENSORIUM, sunday? (i guess i should be >happy idon't have to work monday...) monday is a holiday -- Martin Luther King Day. the institute is closed! i'm up for SENSORIUM... >2) any responses out there to my offer to come hangout/pre-rave sunday before >SENSORIUM? depending on how much work i get done... -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: cermak@stolaf.edu (Todd D Cermak) Subject: ... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:47:47 -0600 (CST) Please removes me from the ne-raves mailing list. Thanks. -Todd cermak@stolaf.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:57:32 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: matriX New Washington Club matriX Techno/Trance/Tribal Opening Friday, Jan. 22 56 L St. SE Every Friday, Smart Bar, Chill-Out Lounge DJ: Dmitry (Deee-Lite) Michael Mecham (Future, Fifth Coluvm) Karl Matthews (DC) Sean McIlvain (Flinstone) DJ Say (MC Bitch) $5 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:58:02 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Virtual Overload Virtual Overload Saturday, January 16 1993 Welcome to the age of goldscans... Witness the debut of the next generation in Intellibeam technology 25,000 Watts of Power 10'til Dawn DJs Michael Meacham (DC) Lieven DeGeyndt (DC) 7.4.9 (LA) Flash Gordon (Balt.) Toby Roberts (Tornado Watch) Live performance by: Disintegrator Notropique Advance Tickets $12 Available at Music Now International 202.638.3272 For more info call 703.799.0908x7 Road trip info 703.739.2344 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:34:06 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Ultraworld - Brainwave Ultraworld had no energy, yet it was a good rave. I guess that makes it kind of a weird rave. The problem was the space. It was way too large for a Baltimore rave. It was twice the space of any previous Baltimore rave. There was too much room for the ravers to develop any kind of vibe. The two reasons why I prefer Baltimore raves over Washington raves. Baltimore raves are still underground. Most people who show up are ravers. You can start raving right when you get there. In DC, you have to wait around until 4:00 am or so until the party dudes leave, and you can clear enough space from the littered beer bottles and cans. I don't plan on attending anymore DC mega-raves. If I'm going raving, I'm taking the trip to Baltimore. Reason two: The music. Baltimore raves tend to focus on the lighter side of techno. Major emphasis on the housy stuff with some trance, and ambiance thrown in. The highlight of Ultraworld was a two hour set from Dante. He started out with some minimal trance and then cut into some housy breakbeat. This went back and forth for a few times. Each time the distinctions between the two style grew thinner and thinner until they were woven into one absoutely wonderful Dante magic. - rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:53:32 EST From: "Mark Danks" Subject: Videos? I am trying to get ahold of "rave videos." Mainly psychadelic videos that would look good when used in a rave. (or whatever) Much thanx in advance. Also, since I'm here at school, I haven't found any place to get good techno, just the watered down and outdated stuff that record stores sell. Back home in Cleveland, (for those who care) the Fun House in the Metropolis Club carries about anything you want. Are there some mail-order connections or something? Once again, thanx for any help that I get. Oh yeah, just so ya' all know, since I'm new to the list, I am in school and do a lot of studio and electronic music work (both personal and academic) when I finish up some of my stuff, I'm pretty sure that I can get it played at Metropolis and other places around home. Later Daz, Mark medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu ***Trance to the Start of the Universe*** [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:15:43 -0800 From: netcom.com!ccat@nexsys.net (Chris Beaumont) Subject: help for bosnian women.. >From today's Guardian: Sisters in Need, co-ordinated by the Women's Peace Archive in Oberhausen, is appealing for donations to set up services for women raped in wartime. The Bosnian government claims 14,000 have suffered this crime since the conflict began, but the figure could be as high as 50,000. For further information or to contribute, contact Ellen Diederich at the Women's Peace Archive, Lothringer Strasse 64, 4200 Oberhausen, Germany. ... Excuse me for using this global address.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:32:13 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: Ultraworld - Brainwave I kinda agree with you there. I mean I think that ultraworld had a good vibe, but when I was at liquid holiday, dancing in a mass of people, I realized something was missing from the previous night. But yeah, the space was way too big. I have one rather big complaint though. You said the Dante set was great, well at the same time the Neuromancer set was incredible!!! What I'm saying is that having 2 'main rooms' in my opinion is a bad idea...if you don't like the music, you leave and possibly miss some great stuff. Does anyone agree with me? digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all audiomaster.... . . . . . . . . . the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love afair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:40:16 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: Busts gAlore speaking of...that came up after the rave was busted...do all the DJs get paid in advance? Or do they just get paid out if a rave gets busted? Also, do merchants have to pay a space fee? -d^2 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Oshin at Home Planet tonight Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 14:11:35 EST There's a party tonight at Home Planet (Quest 1/Metamorphasis location in Providence). Call 401-751-5695 for more information. I picked up the flyer at the Loft last night. Not much information on it: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOME PLANET Would like to invite you to a Multimedia film & video light and sound experience. Featuring project light, film, video, and computer graphics by the Home Planet sattelite space interactive multimedia. Intelligent lighting by Z-Tran. Smart Bar Triple Table techno sounds of DJ Oshin 9pm to Dawn ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I talked with Sava last night. He said he'd _probably_ be spinning too. This could be a good hardcore/trance night to tide us hardcore nuts over til next weekend. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Jan 1993 00:49:49 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Ultraworld - Brainwave i aggree.. 2 main rooms sounds like a bad idea. it's hard enough at nasa .. when i got check out mr. kleen i'm afriad i'll miss something cool on the main floor.. but, at least it's a "chill out" space...i mean, if the other room sticks to one main type of music.. then at least you know what you'll be getting or missing.. >>taylor.8.0.8 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:14:56 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: Ultraworld - Brainwave in reference then more then two dance floors: i think it is good esp. if you want a variety. at Ultraworld i liked that i could move between both floors. doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: replies Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:26:39 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) >my company does not give us Martin Luther King Day off. how prehistorically unrespective.... we'll miss you... donato has decided he's gonna do the never.stop.thinking.dancing.loving.sharing thing and we're going to RISE, ESSENCE, and SENSORIUM!!! come.one.come.all.come.unity. join.us.raverz... lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:34:53 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (rook) Subject: Grrr! I'm FULL O' MEANNESS now! Essense and Sensorium are this weekend? So is Arisia, which I am working at. Why must events always conspire against my going to ANY local rave? Bitch whine moan. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu \/ Strange tails, scribbled in cuneiform. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 13:46:43 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Saturday in Providence Just wondering if anybody made it to Home Planet on Saturday night in Providence. If so, how was it? dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: gute idee Date: 12-JAN-93 02:30:59.33 DigitalDruid sugggested a gute song idee.... "FRANKIE BONES IS DEAD" on vrave a little while ago. ANY TAKERS? PLEEZZZ??? I PROMISE TO PLAY IT EVERY TIME I DJ!!! :) Mr. SparklE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 04:19:41 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (birth,school,work,death!) Subject: Re: Virtual Overload RC>Welcome to the age of goldscans... RC>Witness the debut of the next generation in Intellibeam technology ooh, these have been out for eons, but a nice promotional idea anyhoo. I'd love to see distengrator play, now that they've made an improvement over their 303/909/do nothing on stage days.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:02:49 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: Grrr! I'm FULL O' MEANNESS now! >Essense and Sensorium are this weekend? So is Arisia Yeah, but isn't one of the sunday night? How long does Arisia (reasonably) go on sunday? And it may very possible there will be a micro-rave somewhere at Arisia...watch the message boards. And check out the happening lasers there, and you'll probably run into me and my laser jock raving friend Thalx@wam. I spun (heh, if you could call it that, I barely have any DJability) at EveCon 10 a 2-hour techno set one night, and people loved it! (Of course, the inevitable goth-smokers with the "ya gonna play any Nine Inch Nails?" were around, but the room was packed and people were dancing their hindquarters off). Look for more micro-raves in the convention scene. And, hey, while I'm here, does anyone have an ASCII file which is a basic DJ'ing manual????? I really am interested in learning how to do more than just fade song-to-song!!! -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:35:24 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: Videos? Mark, welcome to ne-raves! Some video that I would recommend that are easy to find are called State of the Art Computer Animations. There's two videos out now. You can get them at Tower video. As for Techno music videos, there's a few out by the *major* techno acts. However, it seems that techno is still in the audio medium - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 11 Jan 93 15:55:05 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Re: argh!!!!!!! > But which drugs to take (including taking no drugs at all, of course) > is a choice best left to the individual. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ My favorite drug is LIFE. You can't get any more hawd koah than that ! -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:29:37 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Busts gAlore On Mon, 11-Jan-1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU) said: > i doubt it'll get busted. > > if it does then i'm killing myself. NO !!! That would make a mess!! 8*) That which does not kill us makes us stronger bla bla bla. tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 07:02:48 PST From: geoffw@nexsys.net (Geoff White) Subject: ComeUniverse becoming private I have recieved complaints from some list administrators about ComeUnivers "taking advantage of the infrastructure" So as of today, it will become what I initially intended it to be... a private alias for my use only. Just for the record these are the groups listed in ComeUniverse, right out of the alt.rave FAQ. ComeUniverse:sfraves@soda.Berkeley.edu,uk-rave@orbital.demon.co.uk, ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu,socal-raves@ucsd.edu,cyberpun@wam.umd.edu, dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu,ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu, steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu I allowed it to remain public because I thought it would be a good thing if people used it wisely. Any of you can set up your own PRIVATE alias now as will I. Ta Ta For Now. geoffw@nexsys.net [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:05:09 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (it's when you tell lies, an angel dies) Subject: Re: Videos? >Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:35:24 -0800 >From: Robert Campanell >Subject: Re: Videos? > >Some video that I would recommend that are easy to find are called >State of the Art Computer Animations. There's two videos out now. >You can get them at Tower video. Are you perhaps referring to "The Mind's Eye" and "Beyond the Mind's Eye"? These are two 45 minute videos with some really gorgeous computer animation on them. We sell them at the store I work at, and when we put them in the front display window TV, people gather around and watch them. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu \/ Give me back myself for I am held by something else above. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:10:46 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: rave bus trips how many people on this net have taken bus trips, by buying tickets at some record store and travelin with a bunch of other people to raves and came back with them? how was your experience and how much did it cost and did you end up becoming friends with your fellow bus ravers? kenny [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:32:01 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: Videos? "The Mind's Eye" and "Beyond the Mind's Eye" are two other animation clip tapes. Tehse are marketed as "conceptual" State of the Art Computer animation is a clip tape without the conceptual baggage - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:39 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue jan 12) R A V E - O - M A T I C More and more groovy stuff going on. There's so much now, I'm getting dizzy from the choices! Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Tuesday, January 12 FLUX (club) New York City Humphrey and Hoover / Willyum Delirious present F L U X Every Tuesday A New Environment OPENING NIGHT January 12, 10PM trance to DJ DENARD X-Static Projections and Live Fractal Animation Jams by XELIBRIUM. $5 per person 169 Avenue A (Between 10th & 11th), NYC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, January 14 DIGITEK New York City Acid House/Trance DJ Denard is opening his own Thursdays club in Manhatten. I lost the flyer so I don't have any more info, but you can bet it will be a good place -- Denard is a great guy with a good head, and a good DJ with great taste. If Will-E, Taylor, Ed, or anyone, has information on the address, phone number, cover charge, or anything, please let us know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 15 Long Island (516) - 547 - 6137 CAFFEINE (club) friday, January 15, 1993 f e a t u r i n g Micro (L.I.) Onionz (L.I.) Rob Sherwood (Cleveland) Debo (Boston) Wink (Philly) A special thanks to all the participants of the 2-day rave who made it such a huge success -- especially to the cot crew, who stayed through the day. There is more to come, Sincerely -- That's Krafty Caffeine * 836 Grand Blvd. * Dix Hills, NY 11729 * Hotline (516) 547-6137 LIE: Exit 52 South (Commack Rd.) to Grand Blvd. (corner 7-11) make left, 1/2 mile on right. SOUTHERN STATE: Exit 39 North (Rt. 231) to Commack Rd. 1 mile make right onto Grand Blvd. (corner 7-11) 1/2 mile on right. BY TRAIN: N.Y. Penn Station Ronkonkoma Branch to Deer Park leaving at 8:14, 9:14, 10:14. Returning trains to Penn Station at 1:23 and 3:53. Admission $6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 ESSENCE Long Island (516) - 547 - 6129 (617) - 266 - 1987 The Essence of Life Generation / X-Cubed / O-Tomic Productions & Simon Sez invite you to "witness the enlightenment of the Long Island underground" E S S E N C E Saturday, January 16, 1993 12am-??? L.I. Micro Onionz Dave Trance James Christian Jason Jinx D.C. Scott Henry Philly Wink Queens Dante Brooklyn Adam X Boston Debo Cleveland Rob Sherwood New Jersey Space Ace 30,000 Watts of Shattering Sound Pulsating Planetary Pupil Pounding Visuals featuring one of the most extensive sound & light productions of any NY area event For up-to-date ticket & bus info call (516) - 547 - 6129 In Boston call (617) - 266 - 1987 Promotion: X-Cubed / O-Tomic / Kort & Greg / Mello Mello / Mindwarp Eddie van Raven / Chris Styles All tickets $12 Support the scene that has supported YOU! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 VIRTUAL OVERLOAD Washington, DC (703) - 799 - 0908 X 7 (703) - 739 - 2344 (202) - 638 - 3272 Virtual Overload Saturday, January 16 1993 Welcome to the age of goldscans... Witness the debut of the next generation in Intellibeam technology 25,000 Watts of Power 10'til Dawn DJs Michael Meacham (DC) Lieven DeGeyndt (DC) 7.4.9 (LA) Flash Gordon (Balt.) Toby Roberts (Tornado Watch) Live performance by: Disintegrator Notropique Advance Tickets $12 Available at Music Now International 202.638.3272 For more info call 703.799.0908x7 Road trip info 703.739.2344 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, January 17 CAFFEINE Long Island (516) - 547 - 6137 Caffeine After Rave Party -- 'TIL ???? Plenty of fruit, Jolt & Mineral Water will be available. Caffeine * 836 Grand Blvd. * Dix Hills, NY 11729 * Hotline (516) 547-6137 LIE: Exit 52 South (Commack Rd.) to Grand Blvd. (corner 7-11) make left, 1/2 mile on right. SOUTHERN STATE: Exit 39 North (Rt. 231) to Commack Rd. 1 mile make right onto Grand Blvd. (corner 7-11) 1/2 mile on right. BY TRAIN: N.Y. Penn Station Ronkonkoma Branch to Deer Park leaving at 8:14, 9:14, 10:14. Returning trains to Penn Station at 1:23 and 3:53. Admission $6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, January 17 SENSORIUM Boston, MA SENSORIUM Pimary Productions with The Loft 21 Association invite you to a 12 hour voyage into the realm of the senses. Your navigators: Onionz (Layaway) Dante (Evolution) Jason Jinx (Solar Co) James Christian (Fluid) On-E (NASA) M Gee (Primary) Armand (Nervous Records) Happy (Pure-X) Overload (Deep) Oshin (Providence) Mayhem (RISE) The Vehicle: Multi-Dance Floors * Roof Garden * Chill Zone FREE Soda/Juice All Night * Smart Bar PANDEMONIUM Lighting & Visual FX * Dance Platforms Rave Gear by BIGFUNHOUSE Your Hosts: M Gee & Mello Mello of Primary Productions SUNDAY, 17 JANUARY 1993 Martin Luther King Jr.'s Birthday Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 22 MATRIX (club) Washington, DC matriX Techno/Trance/Tribal Opening Friday, Jan 22 56 L St. SE Every Friday, Smart Bar, Chill-Out Lounge DJ: Dmitry (Deee-Lite) Michael Mecham (Future, Fifth Coluvm) Karl Matthews (DC) Sean McIlvain (Flinstone) DJ Say (MC Bitch) $5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 DEEP Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 First we made you PURE. Together we followed the blinding truth of CRUSADE. Next we brought you SKY-HIGH. Now let us take you . . . D E E P Saturday, January 23rd 11pm til Sunrise DJs Tintin (London) Onionz (Long Island) Mayhem (Boston) 333 Mgee (London) Overload (Maine) Dale Charles (San Diego) Smart Bar, Rave Gear, & More Brilliant Lighting & Visuals by Pandemonium! 12,000 watts of sound huge warehouse location 207 - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 ODYSSEY Long Island (516) - 289 - 3962 (516) - 737 - 9452 Far Out Sould Quench in association with X Cubed Present O D Y S S E Y a leap into the unknown Saturday, January 23, at Lay Away Future Sounds DJ's Micro, On-E, DNA, Jason Jinx, Omar, Sameer, Space Ace, Troposphere Promos: Eddie Van Raven, Chad E. Boy, Heather S., Mello Mello, Third Planet, Dennis The Menace, O-Tomic for info call 516 289-3962 or 737-9452 Doors open 10pm only 250 people will be admitted Join Us For A Surreal Experience Of House, Breakbeat, & Trance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Boston (617) - 629 - 0777 W o n d e r l a n d ' s: a gathering of the vibes January 30, 1993 10:00p - Sunrise Coming to you at the beginning of a new year, a gathering dedicated to those who know and those who are willing to learn. Let your soul be guided bt the power of a smile, the tranquility of love, and the enery of a happy crowd. Abandon the realm of reality and enter a world...one beyond that of simple imagination...WONDERLAND. DJ's on the noight providing NEW ENGLAND with a NEW SOUND for the NEW YEAR: Jeno - SanFrancisco's Finest Dante - Evolution, New York Debo - Boston Onionz - Evolution, Lay Away New York Jason Jinx - Limelight, Nasa New York Overload - Maine presale tickets $13 tickets day of $15 Available At: *The Other Side Cafe (boston) - (617)536-9477 (contact simon) *Allston Beat(boston) - (617)421-9555 *Boston Beat(boston) - (617)561-4790 *Luna Sea(providence) - (401)272-5862 *John(new york) - (909)826-8869 *Modern Music(baltimore) - (410)523-1882 *Zootz(portland) - (207)773-8187 *Bad Habits(portland) - (207)773-1310 Information and Bussing Hotline: (617)629-0777 10,000 watts of Booming Bass Strand Sound Rainbow Color and Entrancing Visuals by Pandemonium Smart Juice and Tea Party by Liquid Fusion $2 off each ticket will go directly towards Special Olympics Special Thanks To: The Entire Blue crew Evolution Lay Away Tom Casey and the Sunrise Gang Debo Nocturnal Sunshine Groover Posse Eric, Steve, Mark, Simon, Duke non-alcoholic event ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late January THE HOUSE YOU GREW UP IN Balt./DC area [from _Fission Power_, the UMD rave 'zine -- thanks Mike!!] The House You Grew Up In, brought to you by Atomic Vibe. Features John Leonardo, Scott Henry, L.G. McCannon, Bobble, and Wash. A fresh mix of 80's house style music. Call Atomic Vibe for info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 6 METAMORPHOSIS Boston Featuring a live performance by ne-raves' own TOXIC BEATBOX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 BLUE Portland, ME Blue . . . Coming to You 13 February 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Videos? Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:45:34 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Mark Danks: > > I am trying to get ahold of "rave videos." Mainly psychadelic videos that > would look good when used in a rave. (or whatever) Much thanx in advance. Not in sync videos (or not BPM'ed) are only good for music like The Orb, Shamen's Re:Evolution (with Terence McKenna), Dark ATS and stuff like that (ambient house, trance, chill stuff etc...). For hardcore, techno (plain), rave, house (italo, hip, UK etc...), hip hop (or hardcore hip hop) etc... i find these type of videos annoying. Sure you can put TRON, pbs program on computer animations, Lawnmower man, Pixar's videos (luxo, luxo jr, red's dream), Tony DePeltrie(sp?) etc... and you can get them at lots of places. On the usenet newsgroup about video or graphics you can find info on them. But if you want to make something interesting you either have a computer NTSC ready with interactive palette animations and graphics or BPM'ed videos. What are BPM'ed videos? These are animations that are sync'ed to 120, 122, 125, 130, 140 or whatever. These are fairly rare and are usually done specifically for raves or clubs. I have done interesting sequences at different BPMs on different video tapes of Metropolis (the film) cut to a BPM by fractals and rotating plasmas. I have also done phrased videos. These are different from BPM'ed videos since they have slow sequences, but they change at certain times which correspond to breaks on certain type of songs, or are simply sync'ed to a BPM/2 or /4 or /8 etc... In any case i really prefer video i have done since they are cut for my music, not for new age (like what radio shack sells). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:46 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: late addition to rave-o-matic LIQUID SKY CLUB New York City (212) - 226 - 0657 Trippy Techno-Deep House-Funkadelic Soul Keep Underground Deep Space DJs coming soon call info hotline 212*226*0657 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Virtual Overload Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:14:11 EST Beyond the ultraworld of birth,school,work,death!: > > RC>Welcome to the age of goldscans... > RC>Witness the debut of the next generation in Intellibeam technology =============== > ooh, these have been out for eons, but a nice promotional idea anyhoo. How can it be out for eons if it's the next generation? On a sidenote: I think that it is annoying that a rave is judged by the fact that it has the latest gizmo. Anyway, if it's just to see what the new technology looks like, i guess anybody can go to his local DJ shop (like kostar) and they'll demonstrate the thing. But let me tell you a story of two canadian students, in the 60's. They were bored. So they started to build with a projector, some oils, water and colors what was called a Sunflower. It still is in use after 25 years. Now the average lifespan of an Intellibeam is 2 years (which is more than a club lifespan anyway 8) ), so is this technology? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Videos? Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:17:13 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Robert Campanell: > > Some video that I would recommend that are easy to find are called > State of the Art Computer Animations. There's two videos out now. > You can get them at Tower video. Again these are good for the chill-out room, but not good for the major room, since everybody will stare at the screen. Fast paced BPM'ed animations creates lighting and are better suited. > As for Techno music videos, there's a few out by the *major* techno > acts. However, it seems that techno is still in the audio medium MTV Europe has techno and house videos each day. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Jan 93 12:18:00 EST From: "John Speakman" Subject: flux Two posts in one day.... I might drop into the flux club tonight as it's round the corner from where I'm staying and I got a free admission thing from somewhere. Probably won't stay as I'm shagged out and have to work but will let you know if it's any good. Incidentally for those into the mellower jazzy grooves type o'stuff I can recommend club Nervous, Sats at tilt on Varick St. Love, John, NYC [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Jan 93 12:24:00 EST From: "John Speakman" Subject: Re: busts galore Re all the stuff about busts - an old cynical Brit speaks. Experience from the '80s in the UK tells me that the ones that get raided are the ones that didn't pay off the cops, or didn't pay 'em off enough. Love, John, NYC. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: ComeUniverse becoming private Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:44:12 EST > > ComeUniverse:sfraves@soda.Berkeley.edu,uk-rave@orbital.demon.co.uk, > ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu,socal-raves@ucsd.edu,cyberpun@wam.umd.edu, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu,ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu, > steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anyone setting up their own private alias for all the rave mailing lists should change the ajbennett listing to mw-raves@engin.umich.edu as this is the address for the Midwest-Raves mailing list server. (subscription requests to mw-raves-request@engin.umich.edu) The ne-raves listing should also be changed to ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu although subscription requests go to ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:44 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Virtual Overload Francois wrote, quoting John and the Virtual Overload flyer: ' >Beyond the ultraworld of birth,school,work,death!: >> >> RC>Welcome to the age of goldscans... >> RC>Witness the debut of the next generation in Intellibeam technology > =============== > >John> ooh, these have been out for eons, but a nice promotional idea anyhoo. > Francois>How can it be out for eons if it's the next generation? ' Because it's NOT the next generation. The next generation is whatever isn't for sale yet, or is just coming out NOW. The Storm Rave Organization has owned and used six goldscans since at least August 1992. Of course, the talents of the Storm Rave Organization's scan programmers hasn't necessarily kept up with the technology (like Ed said, "on cheezy autopilot.") >I think that it is annoying that a rave is judged by the fact that it has the >latest gizmo. I agree. Fortunately, most people with their heads and hearts in the right place realize this -- they realize that good music and good DJing and a good vibe will take a rave further than any set of lights. Light-wise, FLUID (last weekend on Long Island) was primitive -- film projector, slide projector, oil projector -- but the rave itself was great. >Anyway, if it's just to see what the new technology looks like, >i guess anybody can go to his local DJ shop (like kostar) and they'll >demonstrate the thing. Kostar has goldscans laying around for demo purposes? Wow. Must be a really good store (goldscans are HIDEOUSLY expensive). None of the local DJ shops in my area (New York City) carry lighting equipment, let alone goldscans. Or is Kostar a pro lighting company, and I just have a different definition of "DJ shop?" (To me a DJ shop is like Vinylmania. You walk in and there are records records records, at least one pair of 1200's, and at least one knowledgeable DJ running the place). [ about the Sunflower projector, or whatever it's called ] >so is this technology? What's your point? Everything is technology, even the wheel. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:48:21 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: rave-o-matik update (by request of our humble laura) READE, EXXON, BRIAN, DENARD and LEMAR PROUDLY PRESENT: thursday january 14th DIGITEK ^^^^^^^ taking your body to another level deep trance / deep acid / tribal grooves $5 with card. $7 without all nighter the steel republic 80 varick st. NYC info / directions: 516.463.3947 note: denard told me that this is a really cool space and is pretty psyched about this...also, note that it will be every thursday. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu Subject: Re: ComeUniverse becoming private Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 12:59:56 EST > > ComeUniverse:sfraves@soda.Berkeley.edu,uk-rave@orbital.demon.co.uk, > > ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu,socal-raves@ucsd.edu,cyberpun@wam.umd.edu, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu,ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu, > > steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Anyone setting up their own private alias for all the rave mailing > lists should change the ajbennett listing to mw-raves@engin.umich.edu > as this is the address for the Midwest-Raves mailing list server. > (subscription requests to mw-raves-request@engin.umich.edu) > > The ne-raves listing should also be changed to ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu > although subscription requests go to ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu. Please change steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu or add fl-raves@cybernet.cse.fau.edu. ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Mailing list Hi I found out about your mailing list in Under One Sky fanzine and in the alt.rave newsgroup. How can I recieve it? Let the bass kick... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Virtual Overload Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:35:47 EST Beyond the ultraworld of laura@usl.com: > > Francois wrote, quoting John and the Virtual Overload flyer: > ' > >> RC>Witness the debut of the next generation in Intellibeam technology > > =============== > Francois>How can it be out for eons if it's the next generation? > ' > Because it's NOT the next generation. The next generation is whatever > isn't for sale yet, or is just coming out NOW. The Storm Rave Organization > has owned and used six goldscans since at least August 1992. If they are rented, it wouldn't matter i guess. But if they are really using simply goldscans (at Clandestin they have 8 since the beginning of the summer, and Kostar didn't have enough in stock, so they had to order 3 from New-York) then it is fraudulous publicity. People get sued around here for things like that! > >I think that it is annoying that a rave is judged by the fact that it has the > >latest gizmo. > > I agree. Fortunately, most people with their heads and hearts in the > right place realize this -- they realize that good music and good DJing and > a good vibe will take a rave further than any set of lights. Light-wise, > FLUID (last weekend on Long Island) was primitive -- film projector, > slide projector, oil projector -- but the rave itself was great. Slides of planets are way cool. Also, a rented robozap and roboscan can do a lot on auto mode for almost no money. goldscans with auto mode are not better IMHO, so it's just money thru the windows (and it is why it cost 15-20$ to go to a rave). Of course intellibeam with a pulsar console (2500$) can really kickass! Great laser effects and incredible sweeps can be accomplished but you have to program it and know what you're doing. > >Anyway, if it's just to see what the new technology looks like, > >i guess anybody can go to his local DJ shop (like kostar) and they'll > >demonstrate the thing. > > Kostar has goldscans laying around for demo purposes? Wow. Must be a > really good store (goldscans are HIDEOUSLY expensive). None of the local But then so are JBL 3000 Watt speakers (8000$). And this is normal if you consider that a small computer shop like Compucentre in Canada can easily have 100000$ in stock, and the same is true for audio and video shops. > DJ shops in my area (New York City) carry lighting equipment, let alone > goldscans. Or is Kostar a pro lighting company, and I just have a > different definition of "DJ shop?" (To me a DJ shop is like Vinylmania. Ok, i should have said a "discotheque shop". Your definition is better. > [ about the Sunflower projector, or whatever it's called ] > >so is this technology? > > What's your point? Everything is technology, even the wheel. No, i meant that the equipment you buy now is already obsolete, while the old stuff is still going on strong. > Laura Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: cermak@stolaf.edu (Todd D Cermak) Subject: ... Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:44:52 -0600 (CST) Please remove me from the ne-raves mailing list. Thanks. -Todd cermak@stolaf.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:51:50 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: ComeUniverse becoming private hehe..okay I"ll do this twice. Please change cyberpun@wam.umd.edu to DCRAVES@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU to subscribe, so you get mail back: mail listserv@auvm.american.edu (nothing in subject field) 1st line: SUBscribe DCRAVES send it... could someone post the updated ComeUniverse alias tomorrow when everything is updated? d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:50 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Virtual Overload [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] No fear of fraud -- Storm Rave is not the group putting on Virtual Overload. So the scans can be considered new for the Virtual Overload people. The "Executive Producer" of Storm, Joey Fax, has a tendency to want to have the biggest and best and newest of everything, which is probably why Storm bought their goldscans the second they became available. Joey also wanted John to track down a 20-Watt Argon Laser, because "the Limelight has a 10-watt and I want to blow their pants off." (Ed, who has worked for a laser show comany, says that there is no way the the Limelight's argon is 10 watts. He thinks it's more like 3 at most.) Actually, with a 20-watt argon Joey could do eye surgery . . . . It's funny to observe certain individuals' behaviors: Joey is a total case, let me tell you. It's not suprizing Storm Raves became they way they did with egos such as Joey Fax's and Frankie Bones' propelling it all. Joey is a nice guy, don't get me wrong, he just gets awfully carried away sometimes. At first his enthusiasm produced some killer events in the New York area, but the last one, well, you heard about the raving in the horse barn with no heat . . . . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:59:06 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Brainrave users manual With each full-color ticket to ultraworld, we got a 'users manual', an 8 page book sort of. Page 1: cover Page 2: Picture of saturn? and space station with 'thank-yous' Page 3: Cute 'love peace spiritual-enlightenment' talk page 4/5: Names of vendors and when which DJs will be on (very informative!!) Page 6:program parameters:..rules and phone # page 7: okay tell me what you think about this: ...january 2, 1993... We're sitting here chillin' with Fernando and Giovanni from Catastrophic Productions. and naturally the conversation turns to raves. We all agree that the scene has reached mad proportions. and we're trying to make sure it stays this way [hmmmm...]. As promoters we walk a thin line taking the risks to throw the parties. but this is everyone's scene. and everyone needs to cooperate to keep it going. This means being a little more responsible in the things that could put an end to what we're doing. Some of these are obvious: excessive and abusive drug use. violence. or anything which brings unwanted attention. But the hidden thing that will actulaly kill the scene the fastest is the graffiti that's taking place at the parties. The raves could not take place without a building or a space to do it. and the constant vandalism will make it harder and harder to find landlords who will let us use their property. Getting these spaces is a cray process! Just think of trying to explain to some landlord what we're going to use his building for. and trying to get him to agree to it. It isn't easy. The most common request is for references of previous landlords. The problem is, we have none because every warehouse has been vandalized. Ultraworld and Catastrophic have some intese events planned, but we need to be able to prove to future landlords that their property will not be destroyed. Please, save the graffiti for another time so we can all benefit. page 8: directions --- I never knew this was such a problem. Does anyone know if this happens elsewhere? comments? digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all audiomaster.... . . . . . . . . . the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love afair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Videos? Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 13:01:31 MST > As for Techno music videos, there's a few out by the *major* techno > acts. However, it seems that techno is still in the audio medium When I applied for a DJ job last summer, I gave the club a video I had made on an Amiga with me mixing the music. Despite the fact that I didn't get the job (the club is scum anyawy), several friends have copied the video and enjoy it a lot. I'm in the process of mixing a new tape for sale and a new video could be slapped together as well. Is there any interest in a video such as this? It's all severly psychedelic stuff thrown together with a Mindlight. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:14:12 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: ComeUniverse becoming private hold on about suscribing to dcraves!!!!!! the main list owner (susie k) had no net access over vacation and was not ablt to maintain the list, so the listserv management put the list on temporary hold until she regains control over her e-mail 700+ letters. ill mail back to the list when dcraves is back up and running again. sorry bout this doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:31:59 -0500 From: hobbit@ftp.com (*Hobbit*) Subject: arisia pointer It's all weekend starting Friday evening. The main laser show is late-ish Saturday night, 'round 11pm, after the masquerade. I think the concept of a mini-rave kind of mutated into a dance Friday night [if the laser crew is set up by then, there might be some small stuff]... _H* [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:08:40 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: shalako hey.. sorry to waste space here.. but, i need shannon to get back to me with his address.. ( i can't find it) so i can give him hook-up-o-matik news for the weekend. thanks .. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: chrisott@aol.com Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:51:18 EST unsubscribe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:37 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE requests This is just a reminder to those people trying to get off the list: The best way to ensure that your unsubscribe request is seen is to send the message to ne-raves-request, not to the list itself. See, the list administator's request mail goes to a different account than the normal traffic. As you are aware, normal traffic is often pretty high, so it's quite conceiveable that unsubscribe messages will be skipped over or forgotten in the daily deluge of messages. Also, John is not logged in all day like some of us with boring jobs :-), so it might take up to 48 hours to get off the list. This list administration address is pretty easy to remember -- it's the usual Internet custom to have list traffic go to the name of the list (i.e. "ne-raves") while list administration traffic (adds, drops, changes) goes to list-request (i.e. "ne-raves-request"). Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:20 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: ne-raves hits the stands I don't remember if this was mentioned or not, but: At FLUID last Saturday Heather Heather said that Ne-Raves is being mentioned in both "Billboard" and "Streetsounds" magazines. I don't know what issues, so look at recent ones and current ones and upcoming ones. Someone find it!! I want to know what they say! Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:09:08 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: ComeUniverse becoming private I suggested this to geoff but I haven't heard a reply, and that is, the comeuniverse alias should _not_ include any other mailing lists; since the list is geared towards the more spiritual bend of raves and dancing, it's very likely that a large number of people on the various rave mailing lists might not want to get comeuniverse mail. I told him he should make a post or two asking for people to sign up, rather than include the whole world carte blanche. I'm not trying to stifle his message or flame him or his ideas or anything, I just think he has to focus on what audience he wants. Besides, I end up getting 5 copies of every comeuniverse message.... Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:34:41 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: ComeUniverse becoming private heh, I spake too soon. thanks, geoff. Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Videos? Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:11:35 EST Pete Ashdown said- > I'm in the process of mixing a new tape for sale and a new video could > be slapped together as well. Is there any interest in a video such as this? > It's all severly psychedelic stuff thrown together with a Mindlight. Gee, Pete, I don't think anyone here would be interested in something like that. I say we kick you out of ne-raves because you just have no clue what is cool. :) :) :) Joke! It's a Joke! Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:26:24 EST From: WILL-E Subject: America raves (FLUID) Last Saturday I went to my first AMERICAN rave = FLUID. So it was on Long Island (a long drive) but I had to check out the VIBE.... I've been in England off and on for over 3 years... and raving for the most part. Everytime I came home, all I could say was "rave, rave! RAVE" and no one ever knew what I was talking about... or seemed to care much so the last thing I expected was for it to take off in the states. I joined ne-raves as soon as I found out about it (respect to thee list!) and many thanks to Laura! When I couldn't afford to get to Liquid Holiday, she told me about FLUID and sorted me out. I didn't have an-E expectations so as to not get disappointed. Last time I had heard DJ Denard was at Palladium (a cheesy New York club) when techno was first getting played (Anasthasia, Energy Flash, O Fortuna) and that was alright then... you have to start somewhere... But as we got in the place... it was like having a flashback! Raving has calmed down A LOT in fair England... it had been a while since I had heard some INTENSE acid... WICKED tranc-E sounds... and to see Denard behind the decks! I had thought that not much came across... that people weren't into it here... whenever I played people tapes they didn't like it and thought it was too "cold" or "annoying".... and if it did catch on over here that the vibe wouldn't be the same... what a surprise! First it took me awhile to believe where I was...SHOCK... then I couldn't stop dancing! YES! Was I wrong or what? I've been down about being back in the states and this really cheered me up...! The vibe was just right (none of that New York attitude and pretense) people were friendly and having a good time and the music was the BEST I've heard in a long time... As the night progressed, it just got better... my friends couldn't keep up and decided to leave early (wimps!) so my only complaint was that it wasn't easy to chill out (people sitting in the middle of the dance floor) but overall it was BRILLIANT! I'm impressed... So, who's going to DIGI*TEK ? Let's keep it going strong! and THANK YOU! Love & peace WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: In defense of the chillout room Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:22:00 EST [Note: If I still like this after a few days, I'm going to give it to Heather for Under One Sky.] In the most recent "Bones Report", which appeared in the "High Witness News" sheet handed out at Fluid, our friend Frankie states that chillout rooms are "a mistake", and that "Our big- gest problem both in DC and NY is 'socializing', and my idea is to lock people into an area so they can't escape the music." OK, so maybe I'm a rave-wimp, but for me, a chillout room is essential for a good event. Maybe it's just my 30-some trips around the sun making me feel like the World's Oldest Living Raver, but I have to face facts -- I'm not so indestructible any more. Years of abuse have turned my knees into Jell-O, and without chemical and orthopedic support, I just can't rave nonstop for ten or twelve hours at a stretch -- intense pain takes all the fun out of a good trance. It doesn't help the vibe in the room, either. So I need to sit down now and then, and give *my* bones a well- deserved rest, let the sweat do its job, and also give my ears some respite from the 125dB sound levels that do indeed cause the sort of bodily harm that Cousin Sal uses as a litmus test for judging good hardcore tracks. And what to do during this recuperation, aside from staring into Intellabeams and sipping Intellex? We're a community, right? What do members of a community do when they're not actively engaging in the rituals that brought them together in the first place? Like it or not, we socialize! We're friendly people, and we like to get to know the individuals we've been seeing at all these events, strengthening the bonds among us that will keep the scene going long after the last rave is busted. Unity, peace, love and all that. So, we're going to socialize whether there's a chillout room or not. But if there's no chillout room, the socializing will have to take place wherever we've been "locked in". Worse, we'll have to put more effort into it, just to hear each other over the afore- mentioned 125dB. Wouldn't it be better to be able to get out of the way of the raving instead of standing there screaming into each others' ears? I come to raves to be with my community. Anything that forces us to remain isolated from each other weakens that community, and dilutes the vibe of the communal rituals. Weaken it enough, and we become mere purchasers of a product, at which point we might as well head back to Webster Hall and Hot 97. Raving is not supposed to be an exercise in endurance or stoicism. Raving is a groundswell movement that charts its own course, and right now that course runs in a circle from the main room to the chillout room and back, throughout the night. -Ed >SLiP< [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Ben.Jaffe@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ben Jaffe) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:13:10 -0500 Subject: buses to RI Wonderland UU> I've decided one of the key things UU> to find an UU> incredible rave experience (aside from starthing one UU> yourself) is to travel I hope this is true. I've never raved/clubbed outside the DC area, but I want to make it to Wonderland on the 30th. If anyone can post amy info. on DC/Balt. buses to Wonderland, I would be immensely appreciative. Thanks all. Later, peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:11:47 PST From: geoffw@nexsys.net (Geoff White) Subject: Re: ComeUniverse becoming private > Status: RO > > I suggested this to geoff but I haven't heard a reply, and that is, the > comeuniverse alias should _not_ include any other mailing lists; since the > list is geared towards the more spiritual bend of raves and dancing, it's > very likely that a large number of people on the various rave mailing lists > might not want to get comeuniverse mail. I told him he should make a post > or two asking for people to sign up, rather than include the whole world > carte blanche. I'm not trying to stifle his message or flame him or his ideas > or anything, I just think he has to focus on what audience he wants. Besides, > I end up getting 5 copies of every comeuniverse message.... > > Brian > Brian, You are confusing ComeUniverse, with TheVibe@nexsys.net which is the "spiritual" mailing list. That has always been and still is by request only. ComeUniverse was a way that people could post any rave related thing that they thought the whole world wide rave community should know about. I left it as a convenience so that people didn't have to remember or CC every list in the world if they had something importent to share. I felt that people would "police themselves" and not use it to chat or make non-rave related public service announcements. I must say that it was an interesting experiment while it lasted. As I said before ComeUniverse started as a way that *I* could make posts to everybody without having to remember each and every list, to those of you who subscribe to all 5 list or whatever, I'm sorry you got 5 copies (you will get 5 copies of this as well :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: shalako Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:26:58 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) >hey.. sorry to waste space here.. but, i need shannon to get back to me with >his address.. ( i can't find it) so i can give him hook-up-o-matik news >for the weekend. sorry, folks... q;^) sscoen@athena.mit.edu lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: directions to my huble abode Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:39:48 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Shannon Coen Burton-Conner #341C, M.I.T. 410 Memorial Dr. #341C Cambridge, Ma. 02139 Ph.#: 617/225-8317 Directions for the weekly pre-RISE hang-out/hook-up, and pre-SENSORIUM rave/ravette/hang-out/hook-up (depending on how many people are coming): Directions from Massachusetts Avenue in Boston, heading over the Charles River: Make first LEFT after the river, at the first light after the river, onto Amherst Alley. Two-and-a-half blocks, at second jag in the road since Mass. Ave.. Huge brick dorm on your left, says "Burton-Conner" and "410 Memorial Dr." Find parking. Call the dorm desk, at x3-3261, from the telephone in the outer lobby. Tell the desk worker you are here to see Shannon Coen. They will buzz you in. Ask how to get to #341C. :) Directions from Mass. Ave. in Cambridge: Turn RIGHT, at the first stoplight before the river, onto Amherst Alley. Follow above directions. RSVP by phone or e-mail, if you want... everyone welcome! Donato and I will be there, anyways... Dave McMahon and John Shiple said they might drop by too! join.in.the.chant. and never.stop.dancing.thinking.loving.sharing.finger-dancing. :) lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 03:00:55 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (under wraps) Subject: Tribal? This was on sf-raves.. but.. >From: don@vestek.com (Don Labutay) >Subject: Looking for similar tribal sound >To: sfraves@soda.berkeley.edu >Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 10:57:42 PST >Cc: bpm+@andrew.cmu.edu >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] > >I'm looking for any tribal songs that have a similar sound to >this: > >"Aboriginal" by Techno Grooves (Written by R.el Lungo), Label - >STR 1991 This song has an aborigine chanting over a funky bassline >and the drums sounds like bones hitting each other. It sounds like >their doing a rain dance. I get into a trance everytime I hear >this. > >Are there any other songs like this? Today on the discovery channel there was a show about aborginie tribes, and their chants, most of the show focused on the fact that they use a beat of 14 beats/second (840 BPM!!), double 7 beats a second, which they refered to the standard of nature, as almost every animal reacts to sounds that are 7 cycles a second.. (i don't know about you, but it was making me shiver listening to it) --john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 05:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: quark@asylum.sf.ca.us (Cruising For Sentient Beings) Subject: Tribal? I hope they repeat that show. I've only got a little bit of aborigonal music at presant, but it's been a minor obsession of mine for some years now. The only instrument that I'll admit to being able to play without a sequencer is the didgeridoo... --Dave jna> Today on the discovery channel there was a show about aborginie tribes, jna> and their chants, most of the show focused on the fact that they use a jna> beat of 14 beats/second (840 BPM!!), double 7 beats a second, which they jna> refered to the standard of nature, as almost every animal reacts to jna> sounds that are 7 cycles a second.. (i don't know about you, but it was jna> making me shiver listening to it) ===========================================================vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv -Dave Hull (quark@asylum.sf.ca.us -in reality near Boston) | This blank home #(617)623-5319 Leave something odd on the phone-robot.| left spaced. Um. What's the name of the word for things not being the same always. You know. I'm sure there is one. Isn't there? There must be a word for it... The thing that lets you know time is happening. Is there a word? Change. Oh. I was afraid of that. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 09:48 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Last September's STORM Flyer Every time I go to an event I tape a flyer from that event on my office door. However, I managed to lose the orange-and-purple flyer from the Storm Rave that was held last September. If ANYONE has a copy they would like to give me, I'd be really really happy! Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 11:21 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: rave & relationships questionnaire Hi. I am gathering information for an article I want to write for a rave-related magazine some friends of mine are starting in the US. The article is going to be on raving and romantic relationships. If you like, please fill out the following questionnaire and return it to laura@usl.com . All information will be kept confidential. Also, if your boyfriend/girlfriend is not on the net, could you let them use your account to answer the questionnaire, too? Don't worry, I won't be cross-referencing answers between couples . . . I just want to get as any people to give me input as possible! For those of you new to email/news, recall that there is a difference between "reply to sender only" and "reply to list." In my mailer, for example, 'R' goes to sender only, and 'r' goes to everyone. Similarly, my news reader takes "r" for "reply through email" and "f" for "reply through the newsgroup." Please be aware of these conventions when you reply so as to assure confidentiality -- in other words, if you mess up and accidentally post to the list or the news group, then it's your fault not mine. Aside from publishing the article in the magazine, I will also post a copy of it to this list/newsgroup. This questionnare was cross-posted to sfraves, uk-rave, ne-raves, socal-raves, dcrave, mw-raves, fl-raves, alt.rave, and rec.music.misc . So, it is possible that you will see multiple copies of this. Sorry for the redundancy, but that's what you get for being subscribed to multiple lists! :-) Thanks, Laura La Gassa laura@usl.com -------------- R A V I N G A N D R E L A T I O N S H I P S -------------- 1) Are you currently involved in a romantic relationship? yes no 1a) If not, have you been involved in a romantic relationship at any time since you got into raving? yes no 2) How long has/did this relationship last? 3) How often do you go to raves/techno clubs? more than once a week once a week two or three times a month once a month less than once a month 4) Does your boyfriend/girlfriend rave with you? 5) How often do you go to raves/techno clubs together? more than once a week once a week two or three times a month once a month less than once a month 6) Did you meet in a way connected to the rave/techno club scene? yes no 7) Do you find your time spent at raves with your boyfriend/girlfriend is well-spent in terms of enhancing your relationship? 8) Do you find that the physical stresses of raving (physical exhaustion, dehydration, need for food at 4.00 am, "raver's lung") put stress your relationship? 9) How do you feel if you have caught the vibe but your boyfriend/girlfriend hasn't that night? 10) If you are sexually active, what effect has raving had on your sex life? 11) How regularly do you do things together outside of the rave/techno club scene? more than once a week once a week two or three times a month once a month less than once a month 12) After a night of raving, do you feel emotionally closer or more distant from your boyfriend/girlfriend? 13) Have the two of you ever consciously decided together not to go to a rave you were very interested in just so you could spend time alone together? 14) While at a rave, how much of the time do you actually spend talking with/chilling with/dancing with (as opposed to trancing out) your boyfriend/girlfriend? 15) Outside of the rave/techno club scene, what kind of effect does the fact that you *do* rave together have on your relationship? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Last September's STORM Flyer Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 9:25:54 MST > Every time I go to an event I tape a flyer from that event on my office door. > However, I managed to lose the orange-and-purple flyer from the Storm Rave > that was held last September. If ANYONE has a copy they would like to > give me, I'd be really really happy! Speaking of... I was thumbing through some Euro magazine from last year that my friend had on her coffee table. When I ran across a familiar graphic. The Storm picture of the person/tree thingy. Apparently they ripped it from an ad for, of all things, VODKA? :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 12:13:56 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: dcraves is back up and working hey - just want to inform all of you that as of 11:35am Wed Jan 13 dcraves is once again in operation. anyone who would like to suscribe to the list send a message to listserv@auvm.american.edu and on the first line of the message write: subscribe dcraves from then on send mail to dcraves@american.edu peace doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: blynch@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Kemble) Subject: Re: Last September's STORM Flyer Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 12:18:23 -0500 (EST) > Speaking of... I was thumbing through some Euro magazine from last year that > my friend had on her coffee table. When I ran across a familiar graphic. > The Storm picture of the person/tree thingy. Apparently they ripped it from > an ad for, of all things, VODKA? :-) My roomie has a puzzle with the same graphic as the Thunderground flyer that was distributed for their grand opening .. Funny how these things get around 8^) Jon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 12:40:42 -0500 (EST) From: Manu Narayan Subject: where's dieselBoy? Hi, everyone, Dr. Slammin' here, using a friend's account because mine was dropped (tuition problems, long story.) but i will be getting a new one soon. Anyway, has anyone heard from dieselBoy? The last time i saw him was the weekend after Christmas and haven't heard anything since. He hasn't called or nothin'. Where is he. diesel, WHERE ARE YOU? Mike Bee Dr. Slammin'. send email to mn1p+@andrew.cmu.edu thanks. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 13 Jan 1993 13:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: *FL*-So we are staying with fuzzy logic! i know i'm not too much a part of this.. but, reading all the posts about it.. it seems really dumb to use a name that's already the name of a magazine! don't you think we can be a little more creative? i know you/we/everyone thought of the name ..before we knew about the other zine.. but, the public won't know or believe that.. it's always been very important to me to be unique in what i do. a name is only a name. if someone else is using it already (for the SAME type of zine) i think it would be a good idea to change it.. not only for "legal" reasons.. (whatever those may be).. but for the credit of YOUR zine...and to let people know that you've got creativity enough where you can think of your own name.. ?? just my thoughts. i'm surprised other's don't feel the same way about this... maybe i'm missing it all. >>808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Tribal? Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 13:45:40 EST Beyond the ultraworld of under wraps: > > Today on the discovery channel there was a show about aborginie tribes, > and their chants, most of the show focused on the fact that they use a > beat of 14 beats/second (840 BPM!!), double 7 beats a second, which they > refered to the standard of nature, as almost every animal reacts to sounds > that are 7 cycles a second.. (i don't know about you, but it was making me > shiver listening to it) There was some research done on chemical reactions going on in people when suggested to sub bass frequency (10 Hz and less) in the sixties. They found that 7 Hz caused measurable reactions. Some years later a cinema producer jumped on this and made a film where people where killed by beeing submitted to a 7 Hz frequency. Loads of fun... BTW, it seems that 7 Hz causes harmonics in the ear ... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 14:00:23 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: *FL*-So we are staying with fuzzy logic! On Wed, 13-Jan-1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU) said: > i know i'm not too much a part of this.. but, reading all the posts about it.. > it seems really dumb to use a name that's already the name of a magazine! I was under the impression that it was not the name of a magazine, but the name of a company or something like that... tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 13 Jan 1993 14:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: *FL*-So we are staying with fuzzy logic! tt:>I was under the impression that it was not the name of a magazine, but the name of a company or something like that... well.. if that's the case.. then i'll shut up.. 'cos that's fine. if it's the name of another MAGAZINE however, i'd consider changing it.. see.. that's what i get for being all paranoid...hope it ISN'T the name of a zine! >>taylor.808.909.101.303.202 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 14:12:22 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: *FL*-So we are staying with fuzzy logic! On Wed, 13-Jan-1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU) said: > tt:>I was under the impression that it was not the name of > a magazine, but the name of a company or something like that... > > well.. if that's the case.. then i'll shut up.. 'cos that's fine. if it's the > name of another MAGAZINE however, i'd consider changing it.. > >>taylor.808.909.101.303.202 Who can set us straight? tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 14:17:08 EST From: William Perez Subject: Re: Tribal? > > Today on the discovery channel there was a show about aborginie tribes, > > and their chants, most of the show focused on the fact that they use a > > beat of 14 beats/second (840 BPM!!), double 7 beats a second, which they > > refered to the standard of nature, as almost every animal reacts to sounds > > that are 7 cycles a second.. (i don't know about you, but it was making me > > shiver listening to it) I have an AMAZING article written by Genesis P. Orridge (orginal lead singer of Psychic TV and Throbbing Gristle) for the Temple of Psychic Youth digest on frequency and pulsation, drugs, tribal cultures, muzak, William Burroughs, Bryon Gysin and his dream machine, etc. I would post it here but it's long (about 5 pages of text). If there is enough interest, I'll post it or else I'll just email it to those who would like to read it... peace. WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 11:42:02 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Human rights in Kuwait. Sorry to get off the rave topic,but since the thread is already started .. I think since we have again and again helped Kuwait out of jam after jam, I think we have the right to ask THEM< a favor... How about giving women the right to vote in Kuwait. From what I have heard, women are considered a man's "property" there.Not to say Iraq is a democracy, but at least women there have the right to "vote". Also i have heard that since the Gulf war, the "Al Sabah" family has killed thousands of people in Kuwait with no trial...(political opponents and Palestinians, who cannot leave..no other country will take them.) Not that I think any one country should have the right to invade another, but I think our energy could be spent far better elsewhere. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Human rights in Kuwait. Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 14:53:49 -0500 From: kanarick@media.mit.edu In message <9301131942.AA11069@netcom2.netcom.com> ccat writes: > Sorry to get off the rave topic,but since the thread is already started > [other Kuwait stuff deleted] sorry to be a pain, but can we stop this thread right now, before this turns into ne-raves-and-politics? discussing the iraqi "situation" is not even close to a relevant topic for this mailing list. thanks, -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 14:57:40 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Perhaps some of you could help a Techno/Rave producer here in Pittsburgh. Here goes: I need a Roland TB-303 Bass Unit. If you know of some one that wants to get rid of one at a decent price then E-mail me directly at: Raver909@TELERAMA.PGH.PA with the price and condition of the unit. Thanks and.... Let the bass kick... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 16:06:26 EST From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) ----- Begin Included Message ----- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:47 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Busts gAlore >Raves in illegitmate spaces usually have a high chance of getting >busted. The police usually have no trouble finding out about any rave >that attracts more than, say, 200 people. Fortunately, some of the >promoters are finding good legitmate spaces and making the most out of >them. And when you find out that a rave is going to be in one of those >spaces, you feel a bit more confident that isn't going to get busted. That strange thing about the Liquid Holiday bust, though, is that they used the same space that Catastrophic used 4 times, and Catastrophic never had problems. I know that the promotion people were different (Tonka) but you think that they'd have it down pat. It's especially frustrating when you've paid $15 and had lots of sleep and expect to stay all night and morning, and then you get shut down in less than two hours. Really disappointing. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) ----- End Included Message ---- I think I have a possible explaination of why Liquid Holiday was busted. This is PURE conjecture, but there is some basis of fact to it. Me and my friend Rob were dancing between the bar and the dj booth, there were 4 YOUNG (14-16) girls sitting on the floor near us smoking. Anyway, I noticed one of them was like passed out, that was about a quarter to one, around one, one of the other girls got some guys to drag her off... Around 1:15 I went to the semi-chillout area. There were about eight people gathered around this girl, and one was holding her eye open looking at it, there were the usual "Is she ok?" comments... To be frank, I think she was dead, I didn't see any breathing, but she could have just been breathing very slowly. Anyway, I took off thinking she was just heavily crashing and it looked like she had a bunch of friend around to take care of her. When the bust hit, I noticed ambulences, some were coming, some leaving, I thought maybe this is why it got busted? I hope the girl turned out ok... uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 16:42:22 EST From: William Perez Subject: Re: Busts gAlore > That strange thing about the Liquid Holiday bust, though, is that they > used the same space that Catastrophic used 4 times, and Catastrophic > never had problems. I know that the promotion people were different > (Tonka) but you think that they'd have it down pat. It's especially > frustrating when you've paid $15 and had lots of sleep and expect to > stay all night and morning, and then you get shut down in less than two > hours. Really disappointing. > > When the bust hit, I noticed ambulences, some were coming, some leaving, I spoke to one of the people involved with promotion who said (maybe I shouldn't be saying this..?) that some guys tried to climb some fence either they didn't want to pay the $15 or tickets ran out? but apparently, this guy ended up slashing his throat on the wires/fencing... Sorry to sound gruesome (sp?) but this is what I was told. And, I've been to many raves in the UK that have been shut down so I know how bad it sucks when it's just because of some greedy idiot and such... peace all! WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 18:44:46 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Dante/net I just spoke to Dante re: the terminal and getting him onto the net. He is really excited... Could all the people who wanted to help out please send me their phone #'s.. I think steve tibbets was the one with the terminal and I have a modem.. He'll need a cable and maybye some pointers on how to use a "dumb" terminal... the cable may need some wiring.. Chuck could also probably pass on any numbers.. -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 22:05:15 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Dante/net On Wed, 13-Jan-1993, ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) said: > I just spoke to Dante re: the terminal and getting him onto > the net. He is really excited... Could all the people who wanted to > help out please send me their phone #'s.. I think steve tibbets was > the one with the terminal and I have a modem.. He'll need a cable > and maybye some pointers on how to use a "dumb" terminal... Howdy! That's Todd Tibbetts... 8*) Yup, I have a cord and terminal for Dante...I will be at Chucks and in NYC all next weekend (23rd) and I will be bringing terminal then and I will help Dante then!! We will get this dude hooked up!!! tt (steve's alter-ego) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Re: busts gAlore From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 22:03:51 EST I'm SURE we would have heard about it if someone had died or even come close. It was on the local news as it is; I'm sure they would have mentioned it. Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 22:15:48 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (If I only could...) Subject: Re: I have a 303, and it's mine mine mine mine all mine (muhahahahhahaa...) Some guy was advertising in a local paper: Will trade a tr-909 for a 303, and there' impossible to find... I'd still love to have a 909.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 22:21:48 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ Unplastic News #8 }== This has a little bit of rave related stuff in it... _______________________________________________________________ [=]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[=] [=] [=] [=] The Unplastic News #8 NOW AVAILABLE [=] [=] The Psychic Net Godmother Issue [=] [=] [=] [=] The Odd Net e-Mail Magazine Quote Compilation [=] [=] [=] [=] 1992 in Review...Predictions...Spirits [=] [=] End Days...Seers...Millennium Madness [=] [=] Language....Revolution....WebGoddesses [=] [=] Cyber-Dieties....Meyham.....Weird News [=] [=] [=] [=] Contact: tibbetts@hsi.com -OR- ftp.eff.org/pub/journals [=] [=] [=] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 15:35:27 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Human rights in Kuwait. > From ccat@netcom.com Wed Jan 13 14:51:27 1993 > Also i have heard that since the Gulf war, the "Al Sabah" family has > killed thousands of people in Kuwait with no trial...(political opponents > and Palestinians, who cannot leave..no other country will take them.) > > Not that I think any one country should have the right to invade another, > but I think our energy could be spent far better elsewhere. > Sorry to continue this thread, but... That's why we vote and pray that our leaders have the wisdom and vision to put our efforts into policies that won't get us involved in killing hundreds of thousands of Arabs for Oil profits. If you think we're over there to "Defend Democracy" in the name of the Almighty United States and free peoples all over the world, you kidding yourself. We're over there to support our energy interests just like we do all over the world. As a nation, we're a money/power suckling rat that'll make friends or kill ANYONE when it's convienient for our interests. It's just the continuation of our fine leaders sucking up to rich kings, no matter how they treat human rights, so we can have oil rich buddies in the middle east to keep putting gas in our Lincolns and power boats. We as Americans have a big part in deciding the policies of our country every single day in the kind of car we drive, the things we buy and how we vote. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 13 Jan 1993 23:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Assistance Wanted.. I need some advice from my fellow musicheads/musicians/enthusiasts.. The musical project I've been working on during the past month has a very percussive, trancy feel to it, and I've been wondering which record companies I should send it to. I've been wanting to do a demo for a while, and I think we've found a sound which is representative our musical capability at this point in time.. I've been considering the following labels: R&S Records (Belgium), Zoe Magick (San Fransisco), Adrenalin (NYC), Gyroscopic (NYC), Rephlex (UK), Irdial (UK), General Productions (UK).. There are so many of them, I don't even know anymore.. If you know of any who are looking specifically for trancy material, please let me know.. Also, I'm pretty inexperienced at this demo thing, and am wondering the following.. If a company likes the demo, will they provide the facilities and production required to make a high quality recording, or is the production completely done by the artist? I'm wondering, because I know for a fact that the equipment we own collectively isn't adequate to make a really high quality recording. Our sound sources are good quality, but our monitoring, recording, and signal processing equipment could be a LOT better.. Do they (the record companies) provide this for you if they think there's potential? Thanks a lot for the help. I appreciate it greatly.. Darshan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Tino W. Dai Subject: Re: rave & relationships que Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 21:27:57 -0600 (CST) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 23:37:22 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cabled into me) Subject: Re: Assistance Wanted.. Hate to say this, and people are going to disagree with me, but.. Nowadays, the fact that effects equiptment, and dat machines, high quality mixers are available, making a demo that sounds as close to your finished product (finished product being a 24-track master) > Also, I'm pretty inexperienced at this demo thing, and am wondering > the following.. If a company likes the demo, will they provide >the > facilities and production required to make a high quality recording, > or is the production completely done by the artist? I'm wondering, > because I know for a fact that the equipment we own collectively > isn't adequate to make a really high quality recording. Our sound > sources are good quality, but our monitoring, recording, and signal > processing equipment could be a LOT better.. Do they (the record > companies) provide this for you if they think there's potential? A "proper" demo, although this is art and art has no bounadries.. should have about 3-4 songs on it. Put your best foot foreward. The song you think is the best first. If you're sending to record labels, accompany each with a press kit (photo of band, bio, any newspaper clippings, all high quality photocopies, on good paper) put it all into a good folder (if you've got cash, have the band name printed on the folder) ] Since techno is such a disposable genre, you might have more luck putting the record out yourselves, shopping it to labels and to distribution houses, and DJ's by yourself. Relying on a ""major"" techno label to handle your release will just add more of a delay, but could increase profits on the other hand.. You _CAN_ all chip in for studio time at a 8, 16 or 24 track studio. be warned... if you go 24 track, you're looking at $100+ just for a blank 24 track master, $25 an hour or more Going into a studio gives you all the advantages in the world.. a high quality console, perfect master, and the most important thing of all, an engineer. Another pair of trained ears to listen to your recording and say things like "There's too much signal noise", " I think your last bar was out of tempo"... etc.. You can mixdown the 24 track to DAT will all the wonderful audio effects the studio has to offer, and have the use of compression, limiting, and noise gating to take the terrible edges off your noisy analog synths. Production is either done by the artist , or if you're "signed", you can get a producer from the label to help you. You can even hire a producer if you're not signed, but the advantage of having the label get you one is that you're not paying for it. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: blynch@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Kemble) Subject: Technoir Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 23:47:09 -0500 (EST) T E C H N O I R R I O N H C E T Technoir happens this Saturday Jan 16th in Gompei's Place at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, 100 Institute Rd, Worcester MA --> NO cover <-- 9pm - 1am --> FREE! <-- .---------------------------------------. | DJ prophet spins: | | techno hardcore breakbeat trance | `---------------------------------------' Dance Express Vibe Live Future 100% Pure Digital Audio Visual Pleasure info: 508-757-2153 blynch@wpi.wpi.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: pre sens party Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 00:02:24 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) _every_ friday i'm going to have a pre-RISE hook-up/chill-put event, from 9or10-midnight. just hangin-out, sharing music, dancing, etc. just a one-room, pillows and black-light, type thing. sunday is pre-SENSORIUM. bring everyone you can! 2 dance floors. one chill-out. one heavydancing. donato will probably have his turntables out for the main room. if enough people show, we can have a major event. (smart-bar, 4 hours of dancing and chilling...) come-one, come all! never.stop.dancing.thinking.loving.sharing. lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 00:49 EST From: EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES Subject: a very belated top ten Yea yea, it's been awhile since the question was posed, but I don't log on often from home. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 00:53 EST From: EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES Subject: heh, sorry about that pressed the wrong buttons. anyhow, top ten in no particular order: Narramine: Genaside II Project 86: Industrial Base Program 2: The Omen Rave Crusader: Future World Destiny Turntable Terror: Break NJOI: Malfunction Third Mind: Beans and Barley Messiah: There is no Law Aphex Twin: Digeridoo Night in Motion: Cubic 22 There's more, but I'm restraining myself. (hello, Taylor) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: submit to the HOM!!! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 02:20:20 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) fuck it. i'm not sending out the HOM tonight (wednesday. well, i guess it's thursday, now.) because there's really only the same four people listed for three different raves! (michael, donato and I!) so from now on, thursday nights, it is. get me your weekend plans by thursday at midnight, and i'll get it out in time for you to read it friday morning, or whenever you read your mail... trying.to.promote.ne-raves.unity. never.stop.dancing.thinking.trancing.loving.sharing.listening. lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Ben.Jaffe@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ben Jaffe) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 17:18:13 -0500 Subject: Valdalizing Ultraworld ]I[ said: UU> Please, save the graffiti for another time so we can all UU> benefit. Digital druid: UU> I never knew this was such a problem. Does anyone know if UU> this happens UU> elsewhere? comments? This seems to be an ever increasing prob. On our tix/directions to Liquid Holiday was the message "Keep the scene alive, don't vandalize" I've never seen anyone do it, but I'm sure it's not rare. I know many people who "tag" and go to raves. They probably just see it as another opportunity to show everyone how they can get around and "mark their territory." Later, peace! (increase it, don't vandalize it) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Ben.Jaffe@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ben Jaffe) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 16:41:08 -0500 Subject: Rave gear/ UU> - what are your favourite rave gears? A good long stocking cap cannot be beat. I also wear a kazoo (dont'cha just love that word?) around my neck. UU>- what are your favourite pre-rave/rave/after-rave drinks? Just last Sat., for the busted Liquid Holiday, Inhuman and I had our own li'l pre-rave party. We made the best Smart drink with Concentrated OJ, Raw oranges, crushed ice, tang, and some mega-multivitamins. It was delicious :) We also made some choc. chip cookies to eat and give to other ravers. At the store we got carrots, pixie sticks, lollipops, and sno-caps. We had two backpacks full of food &drink. We ended up giving most of it away, as we planned to, to very appreciative ravers. We also took a lot a water (with a green lite stick in it) to give to thirsty ravers who don't have $2 for a little thing o' water. Later, peace! (increase it) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 01:19:07 -0500 Subject: Delivery problems with your mail Does anyone out there know anything about Liquid Holiday this weekend? I have a flier for a Tonka Productions Liquid Holiday that was supposed to have happened Dec. 26 in DC. Does anyone know if this ever happened? I never heard anything about it. Anyway, Inhuman and I will be there this weekend looking for for ne-ravers and the posse at d.d.'s house in Balt. Later, peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 01:35:44 -0500 Subject: Delivery problems with your mail UU> being from the east coast.. UU> where the "rave" UU> scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really UU> experienced one of the UU> much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it Speaking of these raves, did anyone ever here about what happened at the epitomy of a comercial rave that people posted about taking place on New Years Eve at Knott's Berry Farm?!? Let's here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 07:09:50 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 Does anyone out there know anything about Liquid Holiday this weekend? I have a flier for a Tonka Productions Liquid Holiday that was supposed to have happened Dec. 26 in DC. Does anyone know if this ever happened? I never heard anything about it. Anyway, Inhuman and I will be there this weekend looking for for ne-ravers and the posse at d.d.'s house in Balt. Later, peace! s here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 07:33:39 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: User unknown UU> being from the east coast.. UU> where the "rave" UU> scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really UU> experienced one of the UU> much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it Speaking of these raves, did anyone ever here about what happened at the epitomy of a comercial rave that people posted about taking place on New Years Eve at Knott's Berry Farm?!? Let's here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 07:37:16 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 UU> being from the east coast.. UU> where the "rave" UU> scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really UU> experienced one of the UU> much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it Speaking of these raves, did anyone ever here about what happened at the epitomy of a comercial rave that people posted about taking place on New Years Eve at Knott's Berry Farm?!? Let's here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14 Jan 1993 12:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: not TOTALLY rave oriented... but... hey, does anyone out there have a copy of the SEVERED HEADS cd "cuisine". i have it, but my booklet got wet and ruined. inside is tom ellard's email address...and i would like to have it since i have email now! and since i greaty admire the guy. thanks.. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Dante/net From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 14:11:30 EST You may already have a way for Dante to get on the net, but if not, I'd like to reccomend Mindvox. It's $15/flat a month for net access, lots of usenet groups, and local forums with people from Mondo 2000 and other cool "cyberpunkish" type places. The number is 212-988-5030, login as guest to look around. Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jesse Brook McCune) Subject: rave friday? Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 15:01:28 -0500 (EST) a friend of mine asked me about a rave on friday...I already deleted all the info I had, so can someone please forward it to me or something...when, where, how much, tickets, etc...thanks... -jesse [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 15:59:56 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Mail returns??? what is up with the mail? All the mail I send to ne-raves gets returned within about two weeks or so. Plus today I got other ne-rave mail from other users which is about 2 weeks old too. Each returned piece of mail comes back to me about five times!! - aLaN (Fluid) ....I'll be seeing this letter again in a week or so.... =) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 16:48:27 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Mail returns??? On Thu, 14-Jan-1993, brit@bach.udel.edu (Alan Michael Parry) said: > what is up with the mail? All the mail I send to ne-raves gets > returned within about two weeks or so. Plus today I got other ne-rave mail > from other users which is about 2 weeks old too. Each returned piece of > mail comes back to me about five times!! I get the same problem. Our mail reaches it's destination, I am fairly sure, but (in addition) we also get bounce-backs. I think this happens when one person on the list can not receive mail and the mail from that ONE person bounces back and it seems like it never made it to the list... tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 16:56:33 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: Mail returns??? the same thing has been happining to me also had to delete about twenty different messages that had been returned to me and they were not all from me. what is up? doug [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14 Jan 1993 17:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: bounces boucnes are common... and nothing to worry about. all it is is one dead line or address on the list. your message makes it to the whole list, and when it finds an address that it can't deliver to (for problems on THEIR end) it sends you a message. worry not, your messages are getting to (mostly) everybody. i'm sure john can confirm this. happens all the time. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 16:29:09 PST From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Assistance Wanted.. > Since techno is such a disposable genre, you might have more luck putting the > record out yourselves, shopping it to labels and to distribution houses, > and DJ's by yourself. Agreed. > Relying on a ""major"" techno label to handle > your release will just add more of a delay, but could increase profits on > the other hand.. Also, the chance of an artist getting signed by any reputable techno label is pretty small. > You _CAN_ all chip in for studio time at a 8, 16 or 24 track studio. be > warned... if you go 24 track, you're looking at $100+ just for a blank 24 > track master, $25 an hour or more 6 hours, unless you want to waste your money and rush things> "The Trip" was done on a 16-track mixer. Granted, we are planning on upgrading to 32 tracks, but 16 tracks can do wonders. > Going into a studio gives you all the advantages in the world.. a high > quality console, perfect master, and the most important thing of all, an > engineer. Another pair of trained ears to listen to your recording and say > things like "There's too much signal noise", " I think your last bar was > out of tempo"... etc.. On the other hand, finding an engineer who knows anything about techno/rave can be difficult, and a bad engineer can ruin your song if you're not careful. > You can mixdown the 24 track to DAT will all the wonderful audio effects > the studio has to offer, and have the use of compression, limiting, and > noise gating to take the terrible edges off your noisy analog synths. Or you can save the money and leave all of this to the mastering engineer. (That's what we always do.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 19:47:51 EST From: Charles Hope Subject: Allentown rave? I leave the list for a week of two and suddenly all talk of the Allentown PA ne-Rave is dead. Was the idea cancelled? I was looking forward to schlepping out to the sticks! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 19:49:36 EST From: Charles Hope Subject: Song IDs please? I'm hoping you technoexperts can id these three best songs from an unmarked techno tape I got from a friend who forgot what was on it. 1) Entire sample "Move my Body", and the music is sort of whiny. 2) This one should be easier. "Overdose. . .Drop the Bass" but no bass is dropped after the sample actually. Then there's Jim Morrisson (sp) samples that are sped up and sound really creepy, he says "Forget your name. . .just close your eyes. . .go insane" 3) Sample goes "Charlie says always tell your mommy before you go with someone" + weird phony cat squeal noises. Thank you very much everyone! I need a starting off place in techno buying! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 21:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: Song IDs please? > >I'm hoping you technoexperts can id these three best songs from an unmarked > techno tape I got from a friend who forgot what was on it. > >1) Entire sample "Move my Body", and the music is sort of whiny. > >2) This one should be easier. "Overdose. . .Drop the Bass" but no bass is > dropped after the sample actually. Then there's Jim Morrisson (sp) > samples that are sped up and sound really creepy, he says "Forget your > name. . .just close your eyes. . .go insane" > >3) Sample goes "Charlie says always tell your mommy before you go with > someone" + weird phony cat squeal noises. No problemo. 1) Move my Body by Altern 8...available off their Infiltrate America EP 2) Acen's Close Your Eyes. import. 3) Prodigy's Charly....they have it released as a single plus it's on their debut album...mucho recommended. Brian *********** Dj Lunatik Toytown terror Ambience/ Mind/ Body [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14 Jan 93 21:51:00 EST From: "John Speakman" Subject: Re: Flux Hi, in the recent list of happenin' things Flux in the East Village was mentioned and as it's round the corner from where I'm living and we had a coupla passes we wandered in there with a view to scouting it out - it's just a bar (Brownies for fellow NYC types - normally a sort of neighborhood indie rock joint) with a coupla fractal projectors and a geezer a-spinnin' formulaic Logic Trance stuff. Don't actually blame him for not making the effort as most people in there were neigborhood bar-hanger-outers having a drink. Rave type people kept popping in, hanging about for two minutes, looking at each other and making a quick exit. We lasted about half an hour then looked at each other and legged it too. Summary - fuhgeddaboudit, I say. One out of ten. Love John. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Song IDs please? Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 22:00:56 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Charles Hope: > > I'm hoping you technoexperts can id these three best songs from an unmarked > techno tape I got from a friend who forgot what was on it. > > 1) Entire sample "Move my Body", and the music is sort of whiny. It could be one of several songs. What style is it? Breakbeat? It probably is either Altern-8 song "Move my body" or a song using this sample. Any more info? > 2) This one should be easier. "Overdose. . .Drop the Bass" but no bass is > dropped after the sample actually. Then there's Jim Morrisson (sp) > samples that are sped up and sound really creepy, he says "Forget your > name. . .just close your eyes. . .go insane" Now, this one is definitely Close your eyes by Acen. If the sample Overdose comes in at 12 second from the start then it's this version: Close your eyes (optikonfusion!)!! > 3) Sample goes "Charlie says always tell your mommy before you go with > someone" + weird phony cat squeal noises. This is "Charly (alley cat mix)" by The Prodigy. There is also the "beltram says mix" and the "original mix" which are really interesting. Unfortunately the original mix is only on the original 12" (not the newer), but on the newer you get "Everybody in the place". I also recommend the Prodigy "Experience". > Thank you very much everyone! I need a starting off place in techno buying! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 21:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: Song IDs please? > >I'm hoping you technoexperts can id these three best songs from an unmarked > techno tape I got from a friend who forgot what was on it. > >1) Entire sample "Move my Body", and the music is sort of whiny. > >2) This one should be easier. "Overdose. . .Drop the Bass" but no bass is > dropped after the sample actually. Then there's Jim Morrisson (sp) > samples that are sped up and sound really creepy, he says "Forget your > name. . .just close your eyes. . .go insane" > >3) Sample goes "Charlie says always tell your mommy before you go with > someone" + weird phony cat squeal noises. No problemo. 1) Move my Body by Altern 8...available off their Infiltrate America EP 2) Acen's Close Your Eyes. import. 3) Prodigy's Charly....they have it released as a single plus it's on their debut album...mucho recommended. Brian *********** Dj Lunatik Toytown terror Ambience/ Mind/ Body [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 22:19:58 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: Song IDs please? On Thu, 14 Jan 1993, Charles Hope wrote: > I'm hoping you technoexperts can id these three best songs from an unmarked > techno tape I got from a friend who forgot what was on it. > > 3) Sample goes "Charlie says always tell your mommy before you go with > someone" + weird phony cat squeal noises. .....Not sure about the others but this one is "Charly" by the Prodigy. =) - aLaN (Fluid) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Techno in commercials Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 22:33:45 EST L'oreal studio line in a TV spot uses a techno jingle 45 seconds long which is pretty cool. They have probably lifted samples from a lot of songs, but it's hard to pin down. Anyway, i think it's cool that publicity is using techno in a good way (not like one beer commercial from Molson who btw, sold 20% to US brewery Miller) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 21:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: Song IDs please? > >I'm hoping you technoexperts can id these three best songs from an unmarked > techno tape I got from a friend who forgot what was on it. > >1) Entire sample "Move my Body", and the music is sort of whiny. > >2) This one should be easier. "Overdose. . .Drop the Bass" but no bass is > dropped after the sample actually. Then there's Jim Morrisson (sp) > samples that are sped up and sound really creepy, he says "Forget your > name. . .just close your eyes. . .go insane" > >3) Sample goes "Charlie says always tell your mommy before you go with > someone" + weird phony cat squeal noises. No problemo. 1) Move my Body by Altern 8...available off their Infiltrate America EP 2) Acen's Close Your Eyes. import. 3) Prodigy's Charly....they have it released as a single plus it's on their debut album...mucho recommended. Brian *********** Dj Lunatik Toytown terror Ambience/ Mind/ Body [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: MOBY + PRODIGY in Montreal!! YESSSSSSSSSSSS! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 23:05:04 EST YESSSSS! Party time! Moby + Prodigy with cybersonik in Montreal, february 4th at Metropolis, 59 Ste-Catherine east. (514) 288-2020 Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Raving up north Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 23:11:44 EST Montreal January 28: SHHHH! it's a secret party (that's the name of the event) DJs: Bettina & Louis B Prod K Kidz at KOX STATION 'C' - 1450, Ste-Catherine east, door C Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Song IDs please? Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 23:26:59 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Brian O. Bozarth: > > 1) Move my Body by Altern 8...available off their Infiltrate America EP Also on their compilation album > 2) Acen's Close Your Eyes. import. On several compilations, and one is local (17.99 in Canada): Chris Sheppard still tripping (techno 3) with Westbam "mayday anthem", BKS "Welcome", Rotterdam Termination Source "Poing", Program II (with beltram) "the omen", and some less interesting stuff... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: NASA + FLUID = FUN (part 1) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 93 22:42:20 -0600 From: tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu Laura talks about the NASA experience (on Friday): [stuff deleted] > > While dancing away I noticed a tall rather cute guy with a very pretty > girlfriend kept staring at me. I realized they must be Tom and Michelle > from Chicago, and they were! Introductions were made, and they joined > us for a while at our "camp" on the stage. After waiting in line for 2 hours (we made the mistake of arriving at midnight), we finally got in. I told Michelle: "ok look for a girl wearing black leggings, short blond hair, a black hat with a bow on it, a pink and green badge, and at least three guys around her, two with pony tails..." So, we walked around, and after all of five minutes, we thought we saw Laura, and after thirty seconds of staring, and saying to eachother, "that looks like her, is that her????", we knew we were seeing Laura and were soon introduced to Ed, Taylor, and John. I just wanted to thank you guys for being so friendly. We enjoyed talking with all of you! I know that we were both pretty quiet, I guess that we're just initially shy people. > At 5.00 we decided to call it quits, and we left. We looked around to say > goodbye to people, but NASA was so packed it was hard to move so we > just bugged out and went home. After dancing for a little while to Deeeeeeeelite Dimitri's tunes, we took off at 5:30. We looked for you guys, but I guess you were already gone. All in all, we had a great time. We stayed up 'til seven talking about the evening. It was really a pleasure meeting the four of you. Michelle and I decided that Ed, you have the biggest and best everlasting grin that either of us have ever seen. Michelle was kinda new to all of this (I've taken her to one rave in Chicago, and another one that was busted before we got there), and she was really touched by the friendliness you showed towards us. I guess we're more used to the attitudes that fill the air in places like Kaboom or Shelter here in Chicago. Michelle was touched by the little hug that John gave just a few short minutes after meeting her. Anyway, enough! We had a great(!!!) time in New York, though we probably did spend too much money (we ended up staying an extra day!). Thanks you guys, for help to make it so much fun. tom tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Jan 1993 00:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: NASA + FLUID = FUN (part 1) >I decided that Ed, you have the biggest and best everlasting grin that either of us have ever seen. ahh.. i see that i'm not the only one that notices these things! eh, ed? you smiling devil you... oopss .... gotta go! i think i hear a faint whisper...within the snow.. e s s e n c e huh? i'm following my ears. what IS this "essence" thing.. :) >>taylor.808.trance.addikt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Allentown rave? Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 0:50:27 EST > I leave the list for a week of two and suddenly all talk of the Allentown PA > ne-Rave is dead. Was the idea cancelled? I was looking forward to schlepping > out to the sticks! Mars put on a post saying for everybody to stop talking about it until he got some firm details on things. He said the venue wasn't entirely secured for that date. So we are supposed to wait for him to get back to us. Hint hint. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu (michael j darweesh) Subject: Request address please. Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 2:38:47 EST I seem to have misplaced the "request" address for this list. Couls someone please e-mail it to me. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 03:02:10 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Song IDs please? Let the bass kick... On Thu, 14 Jan 1993, Charles Hope wrote: > I'm hoping you technoexperts can id these three best songs from an unmarked > techno tape I got from a friend who forgot what was on it. > > 1) Entire sample "Move my Body", and the music is sort of whiny. > > 2) This one should be easier. "Overdose. . .Drop the Bass" but no bass is > dropped after the sample actually. Then there's Jim Morrisson (sp) > samples that are sped up and sound really creepy, he says "Forget your > name. . .just close your eyes. . .go insane" > > 3) Sample goes "Charlie says always tell your mommy before you go with > someone" + weird phony cat squeal noises. > > Thank you very much everyone! I need a starting off place in techno buying! Ok here goes: Song #1 - Most likely Move my Body by Altern 8. Song #2 - Most likely Close your eyes by Acen. Song #3 - Most likely Charlie by The Prodigy. Hope this helps.. Peave and.... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 03:20:14 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (just like this train) Subject: Bounces.. Please understand that I've removed all the users that are bouncing, but their respective sites are HOLDING old mail and bouncing it, days later. I've taken care of all the bounces I know of. Please don't send me mail for a while about bounces.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 08:19:44 EST From: mjt3w@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU Subject: Re: Bounces.. Does anybody still have those "Go away Moby" messages? luCiD mjt3w@virginia.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 08:26:01 EST From: mjt3w@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU Subject: Re: Bounces.. ps- I know I could get them from the good ol' archives, but I hate to have to sift through all. What can I say? I'm lazy and shiftless. luCiD mjt3w@virginia [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 08:25 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Mike said: >Mars put on a post saying for everybody to stop talking about it until he >got some firm details on things. Actually, that was me, and then some people basically told me I was full of shit for raining on their rave (er, parade). >So we are supposed to wait for him to get back to us. Hint >hint. Well, Mars is on break from school right now, and so doesn't have net access these days . . . so what do you expect? Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 08:28 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Request address please. Michael J. Darweesh wrote: >I seem to have misplaced the "request" address for this list. >Couls someone please e-mail it to me. EVERYONE SAVE THIS MAIL! The "request" address for ne-raves is VERY simple. Do you remember the regular post address? Good. Now just add -request to it. That's right: ne-raves-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu OR ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu Basically, if you can remember how to post to this thing, you can remember how to send mail to request account by just adding -request to whatever address you remember for posting. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Jan 93 08:58:29 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Re: NASA + FLUID = FUN (part 1) > either of us have ever seen. Michelle was kinda new to all of this (I've > taken her to one rave in Chicago, and another one that was busted before we > got there), and she was really touched by the friendliness you showed towards > us. I guess we're more used to the attitudes that fill the air in places like > Kaboom or Shelter here in Chicago. Michelle was touched by the little hug > that John gave just a few short minutes after meeting her. > > Anyway, enough! We had a great(!!!) time in New York, though we probably LET'S HEAR IT FOR LAURA AND THE NEW YORK ARM OF THE CYBERTRIBE !!!! YOU GUYZ/GIRLZ ARE THE ULTIMATE HOSTESSES AND HOSTS. KEEP THE VIBE !!! -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: the HOM, sorry it's late... :) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:28:32 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) *************************** ** Hookup-O-Matic ** ** for weekend of ** ** Fri. 1/15 & Sat. 1/16 ** *************************** well, here it is folks, not many responses from raverz for this weekend. i guess ESSENCE is such an obvious choice, people assume we'll all look for them, or are taking the weekend off, or aren't back from break yet. Well, seeing you there is only half the purpose of this thing. I made it mainly so that people like me, who don't have transportation to these events can get help from fellow raverz, and put a face to the username in the process... The only pre-raves get-togethers i've heard of are my weekly pre-RISE hang- out/hook-up, and a pre-SENSORIUM ravette/hang-out/hook-up i'm organizing... (dance floor, chill-room, dj's, lights, smart-bar, etc...) get back to me on this one. Also, Craig (cmk, kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU) and I will be discussing a SERIOUS, NE-RAVES CYBERTRIBE GATHERING, as a pre-WONDERLAND event. We expect everyone to show up for this. :) These musings will take place at the pre-SENSORIUM event at my place on Sunday. SHALAKO call me- 617/225-8317 -for more info. i'll be in my room all day, sleeping, having spent the last ten hours in front of this screen, on Vrave... pEAcE. NAME E-MAIL OTHER INFO ============================================================================= The Loft 21 Association presents RISE Fri. 1/15 ----------------------------------------- Donato A. Miranda damir@wpi.wpi.edu Look for: those dancing hands of joy! Grey Fresh Jive ski hat, glasses, smile of absolute bliss... Dave McMahon djm@bedford.progress.com Tall, blonde hair. Gee, Dave, you're always flitting around so much, I can never get a good look at you! :) Jesse Brook McCune mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU SHALAKO sscoen@athena.mit.edu Look for me in front of the speaker on the 3rd floor. Brown overalls, brown & white striped headware. ============================================================================= ESSENCE Sat. 1/16 ----------------------------------------- taylor.808 TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Look for: Bubbles! Big big big black baggy pants, dirty white converse, purple/yellow/black Split shirt, usual array of jewelry and stuff. Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Look for the guy handing out sunglasses and subliminal tapes, and passes to a hah'fuhd rave. Christa Starr akasha@athena.mit.edu She wears black. period. =8^) Duane A Ludwig detlev@Athena.MIT.EDU SHALAKO sscoen@athena.mit.edu Look for: 6' tall, chin-length red hair up in an industrial-cut ponytail, black boots, green & purple plaid pillow hat, green Anarchic long-sleeve T, huge green Raw Vibes pants, normal blue backpack, miniature indonesian wooden mask on string around my neck. Donato A. Miranda damir@wpi.wpi.edu Look for: his beautiful dancing fingers. Enough said. ;) Jesse Brook McCune mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU RIDES DESPERATELY NEEDED TO ESSENCE: ------------------------------------- Michael Hauben hauben@columbia.edu mfh3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu. Michael needs a ride to ESSENCE, (to be his first rave experience! help him if you can!) from Columbia University in Manhatten, about 115th Street and Broadway. He can take the subway almost anywhere to meet people, but he'd also like to go with a group. Fluid brit@bach.udel.edu (Alan Michael Parry) Of course, my companion in carless bewilderment needs a ride from the University of Delaware on I-95. I don't know my East coast geography yet, but I think if you're coming from the DC area, he's right on your way! NE-RAVES.CYBERTRIBE.UNITY. never.stop.dancing.thinking.loving.sharing. giving.rides.to.those.without.cars. q!^) <---- cybertribe.raver.with.backwards.cap.and.cyber-eyeware. :) ============================================================================ SENSORIUM Sun. 1/17 ----------------------------------------- SHALAKO sscoen@athena.mit.edu Donato A. Miranda damir@wpi.wpi.edu Dave McMahon djm@bedford.progress.com Jesse Brook McCune mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU Craig M. Kanarick kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Look for: Elvis Costello glasses, gotee. Very beatnick-poet. ============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: revar needs a ride to essance From: revar@mindvox.phantom.com (chuck fletcher) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:46:25 EST cany anybody help me out? i really wanna go!!!!!!!!!! i'll have a party before if i can get a ride. revar still fuzzy at heart [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:53:27 EST From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Allentown adverted on local radio? ----- Begin Included Message ----- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Allentown rave? Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 0:50:27 EST > I leave the list for a week of two and suddenly all talk of the Allentown PA > ne-Rave is dead. Was the idea cancelled? I was looking forward to schlepping > out to the sticks! Mars put on a post saying for everybody to stop talking about it until he got some firm details on things. He said the venue wasn't entirely secured for that date. So we are supposed to wait for him to get back to us. Hint hint. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient ----- End Included Message ----- I heard an advertisent for the Allentown place on the WDRE 103.9 (a self proclaimed "modern rock" station. They do play a tiny smattering of techno, actually, I think its simulcast from the WDRE in Longisland, just with local ads, I dunno, in anycase I was wondering if this might have something to do with availibility.... uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (yoram) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Rave gear Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:25:00 MST >what are your favourite rave gears? My friends and neighbors gave me a bunch of Hong Kong toy junk for Christmas. Contained within was a kid's "Mickey Mouse" canteen made out of bright green plastic. When I wore it around my neck on New Year's it got lots of comments, plus it holds your water to boot! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Jan 93 13:03:52 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Cybertribe Gathering Here's a question. Why are we trying to put on a rave, when everybody is complaining about the masses diluting the scene ? Now is truly the time to delve deeper U N D E R G R O U N D. It's getting stuffy up top ! Why not a micro rave or something similiar ? You know, start small ! It's not quantitative, its the groove ! I'd probably go into E-X-T-C conipitions if just the people from the net came and displayed their talents. I don't know everyone, BUT I do know that dieselBoy jamz, John jamz, Talyor jamz, Laura jamz, Ed jamz, Body release jamz. Shit, I could go on, but you get the GIF. Peace, love and Cybernetic Implantz. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. ------------ End of Forwarded Message -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 10:25:25 PST From: PLUI%IOSSVR.gm@hac2arpa.hac.com Subject: RE: Rave gear I like the Hong Kong toy junk too... I have this weird noise maker. Its a 2ft long,1inch wide tube (i call it a wand). When you hold it vertically it makes this longhish eeeooowwww sound (not too loud). The cool thing is that if you shake it to the beat, you get a pseudo "funky-worm" sound :) The best thing about it is it's bbbright orange and only cost a dollah. |^^^^| ^^^^^^^^^ -Cato <.> <.> ^ `---' (plui@iossvr.gm.hac.com) northwest raver [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 11:10:29 PST From: PLUI%IOSSVR.gm@hac2arpa.hac.com Subject: re:rave gear I like the Hong Kong toy junk too... I have this weird noise maker. Its a 2ft long,1inch wide tube (i call it a wand). When you hold it vertically it makes this longhish eeeooowwww sound (not too loud). The cool thing is that if you shake it to the beat, you get a pseudo "funky-worm" sound :) The best thing about it is it's bbbright orange and only cost a dollah. |^^^^| ^^^^^^^^^ -Cato <.> <.> ^ `---' (plui@iossvr.gm.hac.com) northwest raver [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Song IDs please? From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 14:09:57 EST Well, Number Three is "Charly" by Prodigy. You can pick up "The Prodigy Experience" on Elektra/Time Warner, which has that song plus a bunch of other really good ones. I just recently got the album (alright so I'm behind the times) and I've been listening to it non-stop. Very cool... Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 14:15:20 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Virtual Overload Hey - I was wonering if anyone was going to the Virtual Overload rave in DC this weekend? If so could i hook up for a ride to it? (im willing to offer my dorm room as a place to crash after it) and will help pay expenses. On the other hand, if anyone is going to ESSENCE from DC and has extra space, i am willing to pay a large% money for gas there and back. desparate in DC, :( doug dz5401a@american.edu - (202)885-7092 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 15:05:06 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! I have GOT to see this tour! I know there have been some posts already about this, but could someone PLEASE let me know all the dates they know? Montreal looks like the closest but I kind of prefer to see it on the States if possible (nothing against Montreal....the States is just chEaper, ya know..) "I'll take your brain to another dimension!" AJAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 15:20:57 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! On Fri, 15 Jan 1993, ajackson wrote: > I have GOT to see this tour! I know there have been some posts already about > this, but could someone PLEASE let me know all the dates they know? I made a similar post a while back about dates in the Philly/Baltimore area. I heard February 12th (???) but its not certain....anyone know? - Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 16:33:35 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: Mayday in Detroit? There are rumors (being started by VOOM) that there is going to be a _HUGE_ party in dowtown Detroit going on from June 30 till July 5! Sort of a USA Mayday. Names of performers may include: The Orb, Orbital, Underground Resistance, Cybersonik, Speedy J, and others. I'm blocking out my calendar now! - fred wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 16:40:06 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Alan Michael Parry: > > On Fri, 15 Jan 1993, ajackson wrote: > > > I have GOT to see this tour! I know there have been some posts already about > > this, but could someone PLEASE let me know all the dates they know? > > I made a similar post a while back about dates in the Philly/Baltimore > area. I heard February 12th (???) but its not certain....anyone know? Anybody has asked Instinct Records in New-York? (Richard Hall aka Moby's Label) Phone: 212-727-1360 Addr: 222 14th St. West, New York NY 10011 Another contact would be ritchie hawtin of +8 in London Ontario, or XL records in GB, or the Rave New World org. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 14:15:20 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Virtual Overload Hey - I was wonering if anyone was going to the Virtual Overload rave in DC this weekend? If so could i hook up for a ride to it? (im willing to offer my dorm room as a place to crash after it) and will help pay expenses. On the other hand, if anyone is going to ESSENCE from DC and has extra space, i am willing to pay a large% money for gas there and back. desparate in DC, :( doug dz5401a@american.edu - (202)885-7092 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 16:56:40 EST Beyond the ultraworld of ajackson: > > I have GOT to see this tour! I know there have been some posts already about > this, but could someone PLEASE let me know all the dates they know? Montreal > looks like the closest but I kind of prefer to see it on the States if possible > (nothing against Montreal....the States is just chEaper, ya know..) It is 16$. If you never went to Metropolis it is well worth it. I dont know if it's the same elsewhere but on top of MOBY+PRODIGY+CYBERSONIK: Moby, Ritchie Hawtin (founder of +8) and Acquaviva (also from +8) will be DJing. All this fun from 8pm till 3am. And also: psychecyberadiant lights by Scotto. Of course i seriously doubt Moby will be performing live, but at least he'll DJ. (I'm definitely renting a small portable DAT recorder to record the sets and interview all of them...). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 15:23:38 MST > Anybody has asked Instinct Records in New-York? (Richard Hall aka Moby's Label) > Phone: 212-727-1360 > Addr: 222 14th St. West, New York > NY 10011 > > Another contact would be ritchie hawtin of +8 in London Ontario, or XL records > in GB, or the Rave New World org. They'll just direct you to the agents: MCT 212-265-3740 Once you get the schedule, post it to the list so they don't get besieged with calls. All I can tell you about it is that they are going to play Denver on the 25th and are going to fly to Florida for a show on the 29th. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 17:41:19 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Essence trip... Hey gang! =) Sorry to bother you all but just in case somebody can give me a ride tomorrow I thought I should post my number so they can contact me. Thanks. Its.. (302) 234-9596 Have a Great Weekend and MLK day!! =) - Fluid (aLaN) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 15 Jan 93 19:22:29 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Re: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! They are coming to the Academy in NYC on 13 Feb. There is no Boston show. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 02:10:14 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! Let the bass kick... On Fri, 15 Jan 1993, Francois Dion wrote: > Beyond the ultraworld of ajackson: > > > > I have GOT to see this tour! I know there have been some posts already about > > this, but could someone PLEASE let me know all the dates they know? Montreal > > looks like the closest but I kind of prefer to see it on the States if possible > > (nothing against Montreal....the States is just chEaper, ya know..) > > It is 16$. If you never went to Metropolis it is well worth it. I dont know if > it's the same elsewhere but on top of MOBY+PRODIGY+CYBERSONIK: Moby, Ritchie > Hawtin (founder of +8) and Acquaviva (also from +8) will be DJing. > All this fun from 8pm till 3am. And also: psychecyberadiant lights by Scotto. > > Of course i seriously doubt Moby will be performing live, but at least he'll > DJ. (I'm definitely renting a small portable DAT recorder to record the sets > and interview all of them...). > > Ciao, > -- > Francois Dion > ' _ _ _ > CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA > (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... > > I seriously doubt you will get to record their sets onto that DAT you are renting. I'll tell ya right now that Cybersonik will probably say no. They said no when Deadly Buda wanted to record the whole night onto DAT at the Power Rave that they performed at here in Pittsburgh. As for the others, well.....you can ask. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 03:30:28 -0500 (EST) From: Michael F Hauben Subject: Essence in LOng Island - Ride Needed? Hello all, I'd love to go to Essence because I'm around and classes don't even start until Tuesday, so I have no excuses. I definatly need a ride. I live on campus at Columbia, which is 116th + Broadway in the Upper West Side. However at the rate of offers I don't think I'm going to get to go. Oh well. I hope to hook up with some of you! Cheers, -Michael hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu and mfh3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: set path=/usr/local/bin /bin /usr/ucb [Todd Sines] Subject: this is what is was like a month ago. Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 5:24:46 EST this is something that i thought would give people a better understanding of what i think to be the epitomy of us as the Cybertribe Gathering: repost from a month ago or so: here it is, finally. sorry about the delay but by now i had figured that i would have figured out a program to use for modem connection on an apple IIe. so i am stuck again, using the computers at the computer lab (not by choice, believe me.) i would have been on the net and probably never left my room if i had the thing working (i spent a good 4-5 hours yesterday fucking with it in every possible way, i even hooked up my toaster to it--->haha) but i had no luck sorry well, the last two days have generated an extremely large amount of mail about this weekend.. not totally complete (especially without my dear leah) but still we had such a bomb time.. i talked with leah last night and she said that some of you have started to talk with my adjectives and phrases and all. (blush) also talking to leah last night made me realize that she is good friends with a lot of people out here... me, taylor, damian, mike, etc. and i think that she would be more than welcomed to our "family" of friends and net-acquiantances.. all of us love her very much and i think she is very, very deserving of being with us all of the time. i feel that the east coast has just made me so i love with all of my friends on the net and there is no better time for this to happen... i am still stuck at OSU for design but this weekend i realized how happy i was in NYC and jersey.. being with taylor and damian and mike and laura and john and golden boy and donato and ed and becca.. plus charles (soon to have a net account) and the rest... getting there and hugging everyone, staying up and playin with the 303, making big banana pancakes (i did make some perfect ones, but i ate the burnt ones) and having damian mix nice happy breakbeats for the rest of us to wake up to (we were already up) and then just hanging out and relaxing, chilling with our new friends and making each other laugh... damian and i just smiling back and forth at each other it is an impossible feeling to describe.. i just want to be with all of you eternally.. i am about to cry, this makes me so fucking happy to just think of all of you and just recall what happened over the weekend, to just relive the mixing and the overly dope ass <<< GOOD FUCKING VIBE >>> that we had.. we just worked like some communal family, everybody working together and being happy (laura, i seriously would have done the dishes. i am rather complusive about that... ask my roommates.. i do it instantly after i eat) and no fucking worries.... i never thought that it could be this good. i just thought, well, damian and i will just stick together.. but then i went to new york and i met you guys and girls and now i have countless best friends.. i just keep meeting more and more good, loving and caring people.. i just can;t stand it.... AHHHHHH!!!! -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: set path=/usr/local/bin /bin /usr/ucb [Todd Sines] Subject: where is everyone? Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 17:58:30 EST damn, it is severly boring today. put this in your minds: I N T E R F A C E sines -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: set path=/usr/local/bin /bin /usr/ucb [Todd Sines] Subject: we are having an after hours. yay! Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 18:41:41 EST on sunday night we are having an after hours at our house. at it we will have a bunch of techno music as well as our band body release playing 5-6 songs live. we will be attempting to DJ too. we are also going to have a chill out basement (i think) and some stupid videos as well as some projections and smart drinks with out the smart drink powder. (not THAT bad) so maybe they should be called dumb drinks. well, we are going to be groovin with all of our friends (for the most part) and if you want to come, stop by the place in my sig. see you there sines -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: set path=/usr/local/bin /bin /usr/ucb [Todd Sines] Subject: ANALOGUE Heaven Mailing List idea Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 19:08:17 EST Hello. I am asking my sysadmin if I can get permission to start my own mailing list about old analogue synths, as well as do it yourselfers, electronics wizards, and everyone else interested in participating. I would like to have this list incorporate those who love making neat sounds with old equipment, tearing stuff apart and making new and improved experimental sounds, converting MIDI to control voltage, etc.. if you are interested in the least, or just have more questions, send mail to me at my sig address. (this one) thanks in advance!! sines - | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 13:40:48 EST From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Essence. Bleah. God what a fukkin awful B Y T H E N U M B E R S rave here... most everybody here was tripping or sorted because of the sorry-ass lack of vibe and boring no imagination setup. God what image better portrays it then ending the rave with (Thankyougood nite) and they get out the lawnblowers to clean the places floor (some kind of hockeyrink converted to batting cages) and push us outdoors (thanx for the $12 thank you for supporting y(our) scene) If this is the best the New York (dead and decaying) scene can offer well we better get this ne-raves rave off the ground. Is it just me or is hardcore totally getting short shrift only because Frankie Muthafukka latched onto it? Why did this rave have to offer the standard breakbeatintohardcoreintotranceintohouseBYE formula? What a bollocks rave. Gives me ideas for Hartford. (that is if i can reel in my other friend doing it with me wanna-be big promoter STAY...) hee hee we can have so much fun with this... Oshin, Overload, me, Slip? dieselBoy?, James Christian (fuck him) Denard YEAH, and Micro (fucking Marc asks him during the rave) (god he is the worst hardcore dj on the planet) It could be a total anti-crap "trance"infested New York scene rave. ah fuck but this rave was bollocks. --Mr. SparklE , [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 14:00:12 -0500 From: labmsp@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (Matthew Pease) Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Please unsubscribe me from the NE-RAVES list. Matthew Pease [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 07:20:34 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days Does anyone out there know anything about Liquid Holiday this weekend? I have a flier for a Tonka Productions Liquid Holiday that was supposed to have happened Dec. 26 in DC. Does anyone know if this ever happened? I never heard anything about it. Anyway, Inhuman and I will be there this weekend looking for for ne-ravers and the posse at d.d.'s house in Balt. Later, peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 07:49:10 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days UU> being from the east coast.. UU> where the "rave" UU> scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really UU> experienced one of the UU> much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it Speaking of these raves, did anyone ever here about what happened at the epitomy of a comercial rave that people posted about taking place on New Years Eve at Knott's Berry Farm?!? Let's here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 12:49:09 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days Does anyone out there know anything about Liquid Holiday this weekend? I have a flier for a Tonka Productions Liquid Holiday that was supposed to have happened Dec. 26 in DC. Does anyone know if this ever happened? I never heard anything about it. Anyway, Inhuman and I will be there this weekend looking for for ne-ravers and the posse at d.d.'s house in Balt. Later, peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 12:49:00 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days UU> being from the east coast.. UU> where the "rave" UU> scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really UU> experienced one of the UU> much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it Speaking of these raves, did anyone ever here about what happened at the epitomy of a comercial rave that people posted about taking place on New Years Eve at Knott's Berry Farm?!? Let's here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 12:48:53 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days Does anyone out there know anything about Liquid Holiday this weekend? I have a flier for a Tonka Productions Liquid Holiday that was supposed to have happened Dec. 26 in DC. Does anyone know if this ever happened? I never heard anything about it. Anyway, Inhuman and I will be there this weekend looking for for ne-ravers and the posse at d.d.'s house in Balt. Later, peace! here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Uucp@p99.f401.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Uucp) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1993 12:49:28 -0500 Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days UU> being from the east coast.. UU> where the "rave" UU> scene is still "alive".. i've never seen or really UU> experienced one of the UU> much talked about overpopularized san fran raves. wow. it Speaking of these raves, did anyone ever here about what happened at the epitomy of a comercial rave that people posted about taking place on New Years Eve at Knott's Berry Farm?!? Let's here how it went. peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 17 Jan 1993 15:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: essence = not total bliss = not too bad either.... well..i guess i'd have to admit that this rave wasn't as great as i thought it would be. i was expecting total trance night.. but instead was greeted by mostly housey/breakbeat with some trance thrown in. it wasn't bad.. not at all.. just not what i would have like to hear. peace, love and hugs go out to SUE, whoever and wherever she is..for coming over randomly to say hello and reassuring me that there was a vibe floating around... there was a good vibe.. and it was a good, clean space...the music, in my opinion, was the fault. a nice trance hit me FAST during jason jinx's set. i got this totally washed over tingly warm feeling, and i knew it was there...SUE helped.. hanging ot downstairs with ed and the bubble man was a lot of fun.. passing out MASSIVE DOSE teasers and being social. (sorry frankie). meeting new ne-ravers was the SHIT! shalako and his all worshiping hands.. constantly skybound...we were all wearing chuck's ne-raves stickers on or shirts and got some feedback and interest from them over at the smart bar.. there was a 'no smoking' rule in effect.. which was cool.. BUT, people didn't totally adhere to it.. probably because they didn't let the smokers outside to get their fix... bad part: i got asked if i had any E or acid.. and got a nasty look for not having any.. good part: floating around in a happy smile trance at the end of the night blowing bubbles.. and looking around and seeing 3 or 4 other bubble blowers and a sky full of bubbles.. neat. also, i got about a third of the way INSIDE a 303. intense experience... i'm gonna try to go all the way next time...(talk about a trance....) i guess, the final judgement.. that lets me know how well i liked a rave..was ... is (not was..) how sad i am when i get home from it.. and, i was pretty sad (in a happy way. more lonely than sad) this morning when i opened the door to an empty apartment.. and, actually, i'm still sad now..looking back on essence i had a great time.. and, like usual, i miss everyone.. even tho i don't know them... i found a good vibe...and i had a good trance...and there were a lot of happy people and smiling ne-ravers. still sad and lonely here in NYC> peace to all. and love in great amounts. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 21:36 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: "Feelin' Groovy" I heard a Techno remake of "Feelin' Groovy" by Simon & Garfunkle this weekend. Has anybody else heard it? IT's GREAT! I went to buy it at Music Now, but they said there weren't too many made. He showed me the album cover.. has Feelin' Groovy in big letters with flowers on it. If you can get it, BUY IT! IT's the best thing I've heard all week. Of course, that's just my opionion. :) BTW, It's by the Groovy Guys or Groovy Boys, or something like that. Eric_McCormick@MCIMail.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 17:07:24 EST From: "Mark Danks" Subject: song? Another song question here: Can any one tell me who does and what this song is? It might be old, but I heard it for the first time over the holidays. Has a Doors song with Jim Morrison over top of the song Tainted Love. Als o has some other random stuff and the usual "techno" sounds and beat. Thanks for your help. Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-smart-unity-tyinu-trams-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Song? Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 20:20:36 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Mark Danks: > > Another song question here: > Can any one tell me who does and what this song is? It might be old, > but I heard it for the first time over the holidays. > > Has a Doors song with Jim Morrison over top of the song Tainted Love. Als > o has some other random stuff and the usual "techno" sounds and beat. The Doors song is Light my fire... So i guess it answer my question of last week when i asked if anybody had heard Tainted Love+Light my fire. I was curious to know if it was a local mix or something available... It seems it is. It should be recent cause i have heard it only recently (but then again "blue" by LaTour is getting lots of club play presently, but is fairly old. Of course this is because of Basic Instinct... Which brings to mind: what is the music for Body of evidence?) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 20:51:54 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Virtual Overload a report after the Overload - Virtual Overload was OK. Except for brief stretches i couldn't get into the vibe (+there was only a small one) and basically spent the night thinking about al the parts of my body that were aching me. No Really: Went with Zach from UMD (thanks for the ride :) ) and fellow raving budy Susie K. got to the rave which was held in this building in DC that does car auctions every Sat. (hey maybe all us ravers who dont have a car could combind their reources and buy a rave-mobile with which to get to raves all up and down the east coast!?!) It was a fairly nice location. The lights were nice, intellebeams and strobelights, but the sound system was set up so that the dance floor was set far away from the DJ spinning, which i didn;t like cause i like to dance in front of the DJ. There was this one DJ right at the begining that played some very nice breakbeat, but besides that the DJ's wern't that great. Played a lot of hardcore. There were some high points to the night : the live performances of DISINTEGRATOR and NORTROPIQUE. Disintigrator had this one song that which was about 180 bpm's and was strictly speaking DOPE!!!! NORTOPIQUE was also cool. when leaving Disintogrator was playing some really nice trance song. talked to band member John and he said the are on Industrial Strength Records. Has anyone heard of them? Another negative was the amount of beer and alcohol on the premises. Most of the people there seemed as if they were drinking and at many points during the night i had to push beer cans out of my dancing self way. espoecially from around 12-2am and 3:30-5 am there were just a lot of people sitting down in the dance floor. After distinagrator played at 2 Lieven DeGeynt pspun and it was a nice groove But basically i felt hollow as the sound echoing off the rafters. Two parts i also liked was the train of people through the crowds, and chasing the lights. left around five. had a nice timegrooving with Zach (does that boy groove with the feet) and Susie (trying out all her dance steps) P.S. Susie showed me Brian B's dance step, and its difficult! got it down once for a few seconds, but thats bout it. peace doug )))))a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 21:28:30 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Journey to the Warehouse BALTIMORE SATURDAY JAN. 23 JOURNEY TO THE WAREHOUSE Modern Music Productions Presents TRIPOTRONIC Journey to the Warehouse We saw the need to evolve, to purify the event. A warehouse, a Saturday night, a new wave of djs and a new Tripotronic. DJs: ON E DANTE UBXN REPETE Nasa,NYC Evolution,NYC Andromeda Future Shock, NYC Galaxy DENARD BOBBLE DAN NIGRIN DAVE TRANCE Primal,NYC Atomic Vibe Glitch Caffeine Balt. Radikal Records Caffeine NYC Smart Bar & Mind Machine/Neuro Energy BYOB No Glass Tickets in advance only:$10 in advance $12 Day of event Tickets , Directions & Bus Travel Info Available at: Modern Music, Balt 410.523.1882 Music Now DC 202.638.3272 Turbozen, Pittsburg 412.621.7759 Wink Philly 215.592.8481 Dead by Dawn, Philly 215.552.8833 Vinylmania, NYC 212.463.7120 Planet X, NJ 908.249.0304 Mindwarp, Boston 617.266.1987 For a better vibe, only 2000 tickets wil be available. No tickets will be sold at the door! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Song ID and various... Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 21:48:12 EST I was going thru some old tapes to find some groovy samples, and found several songs i could not identify. The first song is on a tape i made when i was DJing for a party either in 1986 or 1987 at the Pow Wow (they had this vinyl with a white label with several groups, and one track was the song i'm looking for). The Pow Wow is now the BigBang, but the adm. changed, so they dont have these records anymore. Anyway, the song starts with low synths, then a "beast" howls twice, then the beat comes in (tribal feeling) with some more howling, then a girl screams, and then the howling, then the scream etc... Since this is far from evident, i sampled about 8 seconds from the song and put it on: archive.epas.utoronto.ca, in dir: /pub/pc/ultrasound/submit. The file is in raw 8 bit headerless, at 11025 Hz in mono and is called song.arj (it is compressed with arj). I'm also looking for titles that had that creepy/strange feeling (techno underground). Some had spoken intros with the same feeling as Pleasure Games or RIP. The second song, is from another party (i don't remember which), and had songs like native love (divine). Anyway, this song contains 2 voice samples: "dance" and "can you". The "dance" sample is sometimes extended like: dddddance. It is around 120 BPM (but could be slowed or sped up). The third song is from another mix tape, and if i remember correctly, the name is house nation (and it's also the only vocal sample). What's the name of the group? Ah, i hate it when i don't know the name of a song... particularly when i mixed it! (but i didn't owned them). So if you have any clues for me, i'd appreciate! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 21:46:43 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: cupid WASHINGTON D.C. SATURDAY FEBURARY 14 Cupid will you be my raventine? Live performance by Prodigy/ Moby [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Virtual Overload From: Blake Sobiloff Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 22:47:18 -0500 >Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 20:51:54 EST >From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" >Subject: Virtual Overload >To: dcraves@american.edu, ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu > >a report after the Overload - > >Virtual Overload was OK. Except for brief stretches i couldn't get into >the vibe (+there was only a small one) and basically spent the night >thinking about al the parts of my body that were aching me. Howdy Doug! [FYI to the rest of the list -- I finally met a fellow ne-raver! Hello to Susie and Zach, too!] I'd agree with Doug's report for the most part -- the music seemed mostly mediocre, with a couple of good periods early on. I'm afraid I missed the live performances; I ended up helping some poor girl on a bad trip get home safely. This was at about 2:30, I didn't get back until 4:30, and then I promptly fell asleep in the car! :-( Oh well; I met the girl who organized the event (Melanie) when I bought tickets, and she said that this was her first one. Maybe the ones she does after this will improve some. Who's planning on going to Warehouse? "To say someone is 'entitled' to some- | Blake Sobiloff thing is to say someone else is obli- | gated to produce in his place. It is | Laboratory for Automation Psychology the civilian version of draft-dodging | Department of Psychology and leaving the sacrifices to others." | University of Maryland -Thomas Sowell | College Park, MD 20742-4411 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Essence review Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 23:02:07 EST I suppose it was a bit too much to hope for, that a DJ lineup that would make a good roster for a trance all-star team would play all- star trance all night. Maybe it's just the rave-gods giving this trance addict a stern warning. I dunno. Anyway... If nothing else, we were spared another flare-up of the syndrome of bad directions to raves. We did what the recording said to do, and lo an behold we arrived at the rave, in beautiful downtown Syosset. We were greeted by a cop who said the parking lot was full and told us how to park legally. His presence told us that a bust was unlikely. After a pat-down so thorough I thought the guy was going to ask me for my phone number, we got inside, which was what appeared to be an indoor soccer field. There were also batting cages (inoperative), and a hockey rink (drained). The lights were hung by trusswork from the roof, and consisted of eight Intellabeams (the ritzy ones, complete with rotating gobos), eight mini-scans (one failed), and eight white gimbal-mounted pinspots. No lasers, no strobes. About the smoking thing: I can get with the main floor being non- smoking, *provided* there's someplace where smoking is allowed. Here it was not allowed at all, and all exits were final, which meant you couldn't even go outside. Sorry, but I don't consider a forced nicotine detox to be a desirable feature of a rave. So I, like many others, simply broke the rules. I cleaned up after myself and all that, but I could have done without the hassle. (No lectures, please, I'll quit when I'm ready.) There was no separate chillout area, but this wasn't as much of a dis- advantage as it might have been. There were tables at the upstairs snack bar, the hockey rink (which held the vendors) was far enough away to diminish the sound level, and the foyer to the bathrooms pro- vided a nice place to blow bubbles and discuss blow pops. Oh yeah, music. :-) Behind one of the speaker stacks they convenient- ly taped the 45-minutes-per-set DJ schedule, although it wasn't strictly adhered to. We walked in to some reasonable hardcore by James Christian, followed by an utterly forgettable (n.b.: my pre- judices apply, YMMV) breakbeat set by Rob Sherwood. Three more hard- core sets by Jason Jinx, Micro and Adam X, of which Adam's was clearly the best. Scott Henry followed with more breakbeat. My favorite set of the night was an all-too-short set of amazing tribal by Josh Wink. (At that point, my friend Trissa, veteran of 40 Dead shows but no raves, caught an intense vibe, and is now hooked on raving -- a gift from the rave-gods, I think.) Put Wink in an event that doesn't get busted, and he really shines. Dave Trance followed with what started as the deep trance I had been waiting for, but muddied out into still more breakbeat, if blippier than that which had come before. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] I have to admit, the foregoing makes this event sound like complete dullsville. It really wasn't. The human aspect of it made it a fun event. I perceived a good general vibe in the room the entire night. People were generally really friendly, even more so than usual. Of course it was great hooking up with all the ne-ravers, a few for the first time, and also with the more and more people I've been getting to know at the raves themselves. It was also great seeing the ne- raves stickers becoming more ubiquitous, on walls, speaker grilles, bodies (including a non-ne-raver or two), etc. The sound level was nicely loud but not ear-shattering, in part because they had nowhere near the 30,000 watts the flyer claimed. I suspect that the police might also have set some limits there. Summary: 0 on the -4 to +4 scale. I had a good time and definitely got my money's worth, but I don't think this will stand out in my mind as an outstanding rave, when all is said and done. And it certainly didn't deliver the trance heaven the DJ list implied. -Ed =SLiP= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 18 Jan 1993 00:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: ESSENCE better than i thought? well.. it's now past midnight.. i've been back from essence for 16 hours and i'm still feeling sad that i'm not there.. does anybody else ever feel this way after raves? just sorta lonely.. sad.. wanting the vibe and smiles? >>taylor.lonely.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 00:42:11 -0500 From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Misinterpretations as usual i was misinterpreted. when i said "anti-crap `trance' infested New York scene" i said that because the "trance" that got played at essence was completely BY THE NUMBERS hell it was mostly "progressive" house i didn't mean to imply i donT LIKE TRANCE. i love it, basically same as love breakbeat, hardcore, piano house, acid house... i WANT trance at our rave. i WANT hardcore, breakbeat. but i don't want no-clue djs who just beatmatch and bore to do it. i.e. Adam X vs. Micro Dante vs. whoever let's take from column a, you know? if i DINT LIKE TRANCE, why would my all-time favortie dj be DANTE? --mS. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 02:26:11 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: ESSENCE better than i thought? i felt totally like what you did after last weekend and going to Ultraworld and Liquid Holiday 1&2 i was in completely ready to go another night on Sunday but i had no where to go. I cant wait for a four day rave or somthing of the sort, providing the vibe is good doug )))))a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:42:55 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: Re[2]: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! Francois responded to my post: > > > > I have GOT to see this tour! I know there have been some posts already about > > this, but could someone PLEASE let me know all the dates they know? Montreal > > looks like the closest but I kind of prefer to see it on the States if >possible > > (nothing against Montreal....the States is just chEaper, ya know..) > It is 16$. If you never went to Metropolis it is well worth it. I dont know if > it's the same elsewhere but on top of MOBY+PRODIGY+CYBERSONIK: Moby, Ritchie > Hawtin (founder of +8) and Acquaviva (also from +8) will be DJing. > All this fun from 8pm till 3am. And also: psychecyberadiant lights by Scotto. > Of course i seriously doubt Moby will be performing live, but at least he'll > DJ. (I'm definitely renting a small portable DAT recorder to record the sets > and interview all of them...). First of all, thanks to everyone for responding to me so quickly with potential dates. Yes, I've been to Metropolis....it's quite interesting. It's actually a similar idea to the Limelight in NYC (old-converted theatre/church kinda thing), at least as big. Agreed...the +8 guys are excellent DJ's. I had the chance to hear them at Adrenaline in T.O. last summer. I've seen Moby perform twice (Adrenaline-Toronto, Liquid Love-Rochester) and I certainly hope he'll actually perform at the Metropolis. Granted, he really just kind beats his keyboard around, but I find his presence enough in itself. What really intigues me about this tour is the Prodigy. Especially since they just did that rave in England with 30,000 people! I'm a big fan. As for thE pricE...it's not that I can't afford $16, I'm thinking of othEr costs that I may arisE (I hopE I'm bEing blatant Enough this timE!). AJAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 15:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: i'm up and working.....! my account is up and going strong!!! please refrain from sending mail to mn1p+@andrew.cmu.edu. thanks, and RAVE ON. mike bee DR. SLAMMIN' ______________________________________ Mike Battaglia mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu "What have i done with my life?" dr.slammin' --"Two Worlds Collide" raving into the 21st century.... Inspiral Carpets [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 16:27:27 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: essence = not total bliss = not too bad either.... >there was a 'no smoking' rule in effect.. which was cool.. BUT, people didn't >totally adhere to it.. probably because they didn't let the smokers outside to >get their fix... Funny, this subject has come up much in recent conversation. As some of you know, I'm also into the science-fiction/fantasy convention scene, and down 'ere they are becoming populated by goth smokers, whereas Arisia which was this weekend in Boston was totally smoke-free. I was almost going to go to Essence, but had to get back to DC. A friend of mine mentioned "I love Raves, but I HATE THE SMOKE!" I think it would be truly excellent if more Raves could be smoke free...but would this be an attack on Unity and Peace? What if we had an outdoor smoking zone, so everyone could be happy? The last few raves I've been too really required gas masks! -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 16:44:45 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: Re[2]: MOBY + PRODIGY = KILLER! Francois responded to my post: > > > > I have GOT to see this tour! I know there have been some posts already about > > this, but could someone PLEASE let me know all the dates they know? Montreal > > looks like the closest but I kind of prefer to see it on the States if >possible > > (nothing against Montreal....the States is just chEaper, ya know..) > It is 16$. If you never went to Metropolis it is well worth it. I dont know if > it's the same elsewhere but on top of MOBY+PRODIGY+CYBERSONIK: Moby, Ritchie > Hawtin (founder of +8) and Acquaviva (also from +8) will be DJing. > All this fun from 8pm till 3am. And also: psychecyberadiant lights by Scotto. > Of course i seriously doubt Moby will be performing live, but at least he'll > DJ. (I'm definitely renting a small portable DAT recorder to record the sets > and interview all of them...). First of all, thanks to everyone for responding to me so quickly with potential dates. Yes, I've been to Metropolis....it's quite interesting. It's actually a similar idea to the Limelight in NYC (old-converted theatre/church kinda thing), at least as big. Agreed...the +8 guys are excellent DJ's. I had the chance to hear them at Adrenaline in T.O. last summer. I've seen Moby perform twice (Adrenaline-Toronto, Liquid Love-Rochester) and I certainly hope he'll actually perform at the Metropolis. Granted, he really just kind beats his keyboard around, but I find his presence enough in itself. What really intigues me about this tour is the Prodigy. Especially since they just did that rave in England with 30,000 people! I'm a big fan. As for thE pricE...it's not that I can't afford $16, I'm thinking of othEr costs that I may arisE (I hopE I'm bEing blatant Enough this timE!). AJAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: essence = not total bliss = not too bad either.... Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 17:41:54 EST Beyond the ultraworld of technopagan priest: > > A friend of mine mentioned "I love Raves, but I HATE THE SMOKE!" > > I think it would be truly excellent if more Raves could be smoke > free...but would this be an attack on Unity and Peace? It would at least be a problem to the light crew 8). They need smoke for good light FX. Yeah, i know it's not the same thing... And, speaking of lights, Clandestin have Goldscans II, not Goldscans. And even when they bought it at the beginning of summer, there was one model on top of that with unlimited colors (and twice the cost...) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Once upon a time a warehouse... Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 18:14:35 EST I just saw on Citybeat on CBC (Canadian broadcasting corp) a 5 minute thing on the warehouse parties. And i can now see better why these are so popular: everybody that was interviewed said it was cool because it was a different atmosphere than in clubs (that's ok with me), and also the fact that it was made to look illegal (they are absolutely not. Just damn hard difficult to find) and it makes them hip. How sad... I tought we had a real rave scene... Also, there was nothing said about the music. People will think that it's the same thing as the music in lam-o-clubs, and we'll start getting full of totally not related to the scene people... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 19:30:47 EST From: woodcock_bw@alice.lrc.edu Subject: unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me from NE-Raves Thanks Bryan Woodcock [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 19:47:46 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: i'm up and working.....! Let the bass kick... On Mon, 18 Jan 1993, Michel Angelo Battaglia wrote: > my account is up and going strong!!! > please refrain from sending mail to mn1p+@andrew.cmu.edu. > thanks, and > RAVE ON. > mike bee > DR. SLAMMIN' > > > > > ______________________________________ > Mike Battaglia > mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu "What have i done with my life?" > dr.slammin' --"Two Worlds Collide" > raving into the 21st century.... Inspiral Carpets Ok Mike!!! A real account with YOUR NAME! (clap, clap, clap). Hey, I got a leed on someone who may have a 303 for sale. Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Pete Ashdown Subject: Re: essence = not total bliss = not too bad either.... Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 16:08:23 MST > It would at least be a problem to the light crew 8). They need smoke for > good light FX. Yeah, i know it's not the same thing... There was one rave I did that got moved from a roof to a warehouse at the last minute. It was too late to rent any lights, so we had to make do with what we had, which meant color wheels, slides, 16 mm projector (and cartoon), mirror ball, my Amiga (and 14" monitor), and the laser. It was the only time we haven't had a fog machine. Amazingly enough, it worked well. The laser could actually reach people's skin and do patterns on everyone rather than being blocked by the fog. The color wheels, slides, and film projector made everything colorful, but "clean" without the fog, and more people than I thought would come up and stare at the Amiga monitor for long periods of time :-). [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 20:05:22 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: essence = not total bliss = not too bad either.... what? I like to come back in the morning and take the various articles of clothing and take a deep breath of them. "Mmmmmm the true smell of rave DC style: 40 % Chemical smoke 7% tobacco smoke 3% pot smoke 50% sweat :) " digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all audiomaster.... . . . . . . . . . the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love afair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat  [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) Subject: A Happening in Philly Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 19:51:32 EST Saturday, January 23. University of the Arts, Broad & Pine. $10 8 or Ten DJ's, including Wink, Mr. Fun, and more.. Call 215-292-4666 for information. More details to follow [when I find that flyer....] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 19:40:03 EST From: woodcock_bw@alice.lrc.edu Subject: unsubscribe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 20:19:29 -0500 Subject: HOLY WEEKEND ! wowie zowie. friday nite, me and jesse (mccune@wpi) go to MIT and hang with shalako and jshiple (and his roomie). then we go to RISE, where we wait in line for about an hour in the cold! (i guess that Loft article in the globe caught some attention :)) a great nite of breakbeat/progressive house, and mayhem's wonderful house sets. at 6:30am the lights come up, and most people leave, but not us! and so 5-10 minutes later the DJ (forgot who, i think the british guy), played a nasty trance-core set for the 20 ravers left !! we left at 730... once again, RISE blows me away. next up, ESSENCE. 8 of us (various and sundry ravers, ne-raves, and non-neraves alike) take 2 cars down, and we pick up ciamac on the way. we were wishing we had that white van evan and mars always have! :) i think the problem with essence was the high expectations. over all, though, it was great. i think james christian played the best 1st set i've ever heard. i was going nuts in front of the speaker as soon as i walked in. (shalako can tell you more). and i really dug Debo's last house set. but dante didn't play!! and what the hell was frankie bones doing there, yapping his big mouth! the rave ended WAY too early (it was still dark out!), but of course that's so you go to Caffeine (the after-rave), and pay six more bucks! i think not! capitalism and raves do not mix. so, essence: good rave, but i had more fun at Rise the nite before. and finally: SENSORIUM, at the Loft. got there around 11pm, and was greeted by Mayhem's INCREDIBLE house... groove was in my heart, kids :) then overload played an awesome set (as usual).... we need to know the name of song, that me and shalako have been calling "the acid jam". it's this INTENSE 303 trance-jam, that BLOWS my mind. during this song the place was FILLED with smoke, and the strobe was going, and let me tell you, i was in another dimension. unfortunately, it got VERY crowded, and i could even dance anymore... this was at 4am. what happened? everyone had MLK day off in boston?? i wish i did!! so i left at 4 cuz i had to be at work by 9-930. all in all, an INTENSE weekend !! thanks to everyone who helped make it happen. PEACE! donato (i should be sleeping.....) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 18 Jan 1993 20:29:52 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: fog and stuff.. ya know.. fog machines at raves don't bother me at all.. in fact, i LOVE standing right in them and getting myself imerssed in all of the swirlies. :) it's the cigarette smoke that it i hate. it gives me headaches, 'causes my clothes to smell like death.. and forces me to find a "smoker-free" spot to dance.. it was sooooo annoying at ESSENCE 'cos i was right next to someone woh was smoking... and it was really pungent and disgusting.. so i had to move away from my friends and find a better spot so i wouldn't choke to death. NOVA really handled the whole thing well.. not smoking inside.. and a little door right behind the dj booth to the outside, where smokers smoked freely! even a smoking friend of mine was happy with the situation.. "it doesn't smell all yucky and stale inside" she said.."i'm happy to go out there.. i need the air anyway".. well.. we'll see what happens in the future. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jesse Brook McCune) Subject: the weeeeeekend... Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 20:40:55 -0500 (EST) 3 nights, 18+ hours of dancing, and about 8 hours of sleep...it was awesome... RISE friday night was great...they stopped around 6:30 or so and most of the people there left...we were kinda disappointed with the last set, and were just sitting around...then they came back and played two more sets...wow!!...we finally got kicked out at 7:30, and walked outside into the daylight that always gives you that feeling that won, that you accomplished something...it's so fulfilling... anyway, we(Shalako, Donato, and I) went back and CRASHED at Shannon's after breakfast for about 6 hours, and then waited for the rest of the crew we were traveling to Long Island with to arrive...when everybody was accounted for, and we had grabbed something to eat, we took off for N.Y.C...we found Essence with no trouble and after a very cold half-hour wait in line, we finally got in and were greeted by an incredible set...we didn't even bother to put our bags down...I personally thought the location was great, clean and spacious... there was plenty of space along the walls to just sit and chill with your friends...since I don't smoke the non-smoking policy wasn't a problem for me... I had a lot of fun with this toy I got for Christmas...it glows in the dark and bends into all these funky patterns...it's hard to explain...oh well, but I had to keep running over to the lights to recharge it's glow...I met some fellow ne-ravers and that was really cool...well, the only real disappointment that night was that when the made us all leave, it was still dark outside...they just wanted us to pay more money for the Caffeine after-rave party, but we decided not to go...after picking up Donato's turntables and mixer, and chilling out for breakfast at(...hmm...I forget her name) a friend of Shannon's we headed back to Boston...we immediately had to find cartridges for Donato's turntables so that we could play, but only found one, so when we got back to Shannon's we played with the CD player and the one turntable for a while, then got a little sleep before Sensorium... we got to Sensorium at around 10:30 and began all over again...it was really cool until around 4 or so, then it started to get REALLY weird, and Donato and I had to leave anyway, so we just took off for Worcester, sleep, school and work... well, that was the weekend...over all, it was awesome...I've written way too much...gotta go...later on... rave on... -jesse [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 21:12:35 EST From: Charles Hope Subject: No subject really So Essence wasn't so hot either? Add that to Thunderground and Storm and all? I'm here in Staten Island; I'll meet you NYC crew when I've money and time, either I have one or the other. Never been to a 'real' rave, just NASA once 2 months ago with depressoid people who stood around, only one dude danced with me. Ah well at least I'm not missing all that much...thanks for all the song help, these tracks will form a nucleus for my spree shopping at Vinylmania and all once I discover some cash! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 21:33:01 EST From: "Mark Danks" Subject: smoke... On the issue of smoke, one of the cheapest ones that we have at work for smoke machines (okay, I can't remember the name right now, but if you really want to know, I'll look it up) doesn't irritate any one. I walked into a room that we fogged up so that I couldn't see my hand in front of my face (not joking!) and I didn't even sense the fog! And the Superscans really aren't worth the money, stick we the Golden Scans II. Just my $.02 worth, Later, Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-smart-unity-tyinu-trams-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 21:37:46 EST From: woodcock_bw@alice.lrc.edu Subject: unsubscribe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Drew@mailbox.syr.edu Subject: Re: Allentown adverted on local radio? Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 22:04:36 -0500 The advertisement you probably heard was for the Freight Yard, which was where the cybertribe gathering was going to be held sometime in late February. If the allentown thing doesn't work out, anyone ever think of having the rave in Syracuse? peace, Drew. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 18 Jan 1993 23:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: looking for a mac program. i'm looking for an Anagram Maker for the mac. my friend has one for his IBM. what it does is change the letters around in an inputted word in another PRONOUCABLE word. for example...in looking for a new band name (for clashing company release purposes) a project of mine called DECAMERON plugged our name into this anagram program and it spit out hundreds of choices..one of them being: ncoderam or, in our case: n/code:RAM which is a pretty neato bandname.. anyway.. i'm looking for a program like this for a macintosh.. if anyone can help..pleas let me know. peace love and 808's >.taylor.trance.fetish [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: smoke... Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 23:40:35 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Mark Danks: > > On the issue of smoke, one of the cheapest ones that we have at work for > smoke machines (okay, I can't remember the name right now, but if you > really want to know, I'll look it up) Yes, check it up please. > doesn't irritate any one. I walked > into a room that we fogged up so that I couldn't see my hand in front of > my face (not joking!) and I didn't even sense the fog! I go regularly to clubs with oil based fog machine and i would choke if i do something like you describe. (it happened, and i had problem breathing). > And the Superscans really aren't worth the money, stick we the Golden > Scans II. Personally, i dont see that they are worth the money both of them for raves. For clubs, they are worth it. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 23:46:47 EST From: "Mark Danks" Subject: smart drinks Does anyone have a list of smart drinks that I could make? I would be better if they could be made from normal, over-the-counter stuff, but if other ingredients are neccessary, that's okay (like using Smart Drinks, Inc. I think that is the name of the company) but please include an address if possible. Thanks in advance, Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-smart-unity-tyinu-trams-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Rave to be held in NC & questions Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 0:03:52 EST From: David Mann Recently got this flyer: ---8<--------------------------------------------------------------------- Witness the Re-Awakening of XOCHIPILLI... 24 Hour Rave - Jan 23rd - 6pm DISMISS THe CULTURAL PARASITE THAT HAS INVAdED YOUR RAVE WiTH THEIR sELFISH MOTIVES OF FINanCIAL aND sOCIAL GAIN. sUPPORT THE MOVEMENT TOWARD THE FREE RAVE AND REDISCOVER WHAT IS MOTIVATED BY PURE CULTURAL UNITY. Secret location in North Carolina. Call 1-800-697-9659 Leave name and # very clearly for more information. Presenting spiritual DJ's Scott Henry [Wash DC] Lieven [Wash DC] Onionz [New York/LI] Jack'M-F [Maine] Mr. Bill [G. Boro] Brett Long [Chapel Hill] Sean SPicer [Durham] Live Performance by "100 Monkeys" $10 Advance Tix available at the Following "The Infiniti" Greensboro (919) 574-1844 "Groovewear" Greensboro (919) 274-8442 "Music Now" Wash DC (202) 638-3272 Mr. Bill Greensboro (919) 288-9635 Question - Comments - Silly Pranks Call 1-800-697-9659 24 Hours, Leave Message Very Clearly $16 Day of Event Location revealed at Purchase Special thanks to all the ravers who have supported us. Peace ---8<------------------------------------------------------------------ [Doesn't really mention who is promoting, and I have heard from a few people (including Laura from Ne-Raves) that they have heard of a similar event going on in Maine some time? (recently past or in the near future)] Can someone on DC-Raves forward me the address or forward this message over there? Thanks! Flavor Dave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: essence = not total bliss = not too bad either.... Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 0:05:41 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Pete Ashdown: > > ball, my Amiga (and 14" monitor), and the laser. It was the only time we What kind of laser do you have? How do you control it? I have done rotating mirrors, speaker actuated mirrors etc... to make things with a lab laser - about 10mW - but i have not done anything since with lasers since i do not own one. I know that lasers can be bought for about 200$ these days, but its not high on my priority list of things to buy... > haven't had a fog machine. Amazingly enough, it worked well. The laser could > actually reach people's skin and do patterns on everyone rather than being > blocked by the fog. The color wheels, slides, and film projector made > everything colorful, but "clean" without the fog, and more people than I > thought would come up and stare at the Amiga monitor for long periods of time That's actually a problem i had at one "house party" (which was really in a big house), where we were using the house tv-cables to relay one video on channel 3 and another on channel 4 so that we could select each tv from 2 source. Anyway, we had 4 big TVs in the main open area(about 60 persons in that room) and everybody were staring at the screens instead of dancing, so regularly, i had to put a "color bar pattern" (which was actually generated by my apple //e ...) to make people stop watching the videos... That was cool... i should do it again. Hey, if the Allentown rave is not happening soon, i'm doing one right here, and you will all be sorry if you miss it! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 01:44:10 EST From: susie Subject: No subject hiya guys...i hope to be up north for wonderland to see you all...well this is my report from dc...aka hardcore land...ahahahahha...partyon...susie ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- hiya all...i am back from a very long weekend that isn't really ending...first of all i went to virtual overload...the space was big and nice but damm cold... (as in not heated and personal people vibe)...but other than that it was funn.. .i kinda got into hardcore for a short while even...but kinda lost it when it h it 180 bpm's during the live sets...ahhhhh...there was no chill out space but i just needed to dance...and hang with doug me fella american raver budy and zac h...(hey man total thanx for the ride) and i had a great time meeting you...i m et a fellow neraver blake...i liked the lights alot (i like lights) and i wore my phunky new florecent psyshadelic phancy new overalls...i kinda miss all the lasers and liquid visuals and the breakbeat ambient i got in sf...but well i am not going to bitch...i can't wait for matrix this weekend...oh guys good news i saw chelesea clinton at the toad the wet sprocket concert on the mall...cool she has good taste...guess i will have to steak out sidwell friends (which is a bout a mile from a.u.) and give her some flyers...ehehheh...oh and then i went to the ingaural gala dress rehersal...no techno bands there ...gosh darn...but i did see barbara striesand and michael jackson and arethra franklin... anyone going to any balls...this ball thing reminds me of a song from my yo uth called big balls by ac/dc...go figure...well other than losing my camera on the metro (which i have stresses about totally) i have had a pretty awesome week...hey maybe the dc scene will start up some weeklies, hold more than one e vent in one night or hold an after party...well then again i can dream toohey anyone up for raving on the mall...with all these fiestas the mall is calling me..oh shit back to school and back to reality...ps dear rave god(s) please fix this hardcore thing...thank you...partyon...susie p.s. does anyone have an extra virtual overload flyer...email me please... 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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 02:01:35 +0000 From: SPeCiMeN taylor writes: > ya know.. fog machines at raves don't bother me at all.. in fact, i LOVE > standing right in them and getting myself imerssed in all of the swirlies. yup, me too. > it's the cigarette smoke that it i hate. it gives me headaches, 'causes my > clothes to smell like death.. and forces me to find a "smoker-free" spot to > dance.. it was sooooo annoying at ESSENCE 'cos i was right next to someone wo > was smoking... and it was really pungent and disgusting.. so i had to move > away from my friends and find a better spot so i wouldn't choke to death. the biggest problem seem to me to be burns; i've been poked a few times, my sig. other has a nice scar on her thigh because someone wasn't looking and touched a cigarette into her. a ndy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 19 Jan 93 09:01:01 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Re: 8-( > All the fun stuff I've seen posted from you Ohio folks makes me sad 'cause > the rave scene is SOOO dead here in Milwaukee. I'd love to come by for the > after hours thingy on Sunday but, alas, here I am in Milwaukee. BUT, this > summer I'd love to come down and meet y'all. If someone will give me a > floor for the night and a rave to go to I'll bring a little piece of Milwaukee > down to Ohio. Piece of cake bro'. Bring it on and I've got ya covered ! RAVE ON !!! -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 09:44 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue jan 19) R A V E - O - M A T I C Etc. etc. etc. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, January 22 MATRIX (club) Washington, DC matriX Techno/Trance/Tribal Opening Friday, Jan 22 56 L St. SE Every Friday, Smart Bar, Chill-Out Lounge DJ: Dmitry (Deee-Lite) Michael Mecham (Future, Fifth Coluvm) Karl Matthews (DC) Sean McIlvain (Flinstone) DJ Say (MC Bitch) $5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 Philadelphia (215) - 292 - 4666 University of the Arts, Broad & Pine $10 8 or 10 DJs, including Wink, Mr. Fun, and more . . . Call 215-292-4666 for information. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 JOURNEY TO THE WAREHOUSE Baltimore (410) - 523 - 1882 (202) - 638 - 3272 (412) - 621 - 7759 (215) - 592 - 8481 (215) - 552 - 8833 (212) - 463 - 7120 (908) - 249 - 0304 (617) - 266 - 1987 BALTIMORE SATURDAY JAN. 23 JOURNEY TO THE WAREHOUSE Modern Music Productions Presents TRIPOTRONIC Journey to the Warehouse We saw the need to evolve, to purify the event. A warehouse, a Saturday night, a new wave of djs and a new Tripotronic. DJs: ON E DANTE UBXN REPETE Nasa,NYC Evolution,NYC Andromeda Future Shock, NYC Galaxy DENARD BOBBLE DAN NIGRIN DAVE TRANCE Primal,NYC Atomic Vibe Glitch Caffeine Balt. Radikal Records Caffeine NYC Smart Bar & Mind Machine/Neuro Energy BYOB No Glass Tickets in advance only:$10 in advance $12 Day of event Tickets , Directions & Bus Travel Info Available at: Modern Music, Balt 410.523.1882 Music Now DC 202.638.3272 Turbozen, Pittsburg 412.621.7759 Wink Philly 215.592.8481 Dead by Dawn, Philly 215.552.8833 Vinylmania, NYC 212.463.7120 Planet X, NJ 908.249.0304 Mindwarp, Boston 617.266.1987 For a better vibe, only 2000 tickets wil be available. No tickets will be sold at the door! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, January 28 SHHH! IT'S A SECRET PARTY Montreal Montreal January 28: SHHH! it's a secred party (that's the name of the event) DJs: Bettina & Louis B Prod K Kidz at KOX STATION 'C' - 1450, Ste-Catherine east, door C ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 DEEP Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 First we made you PURE. Together we followed the blinding truth of CRUSADE. Next we brought you SKY-HIGH. Now let us take you . . . D E E P k.c. and the sunrise gang, together with johnnyboy, steve g. of pandemonium, and d.j eternal, invite you to take the plunge Portland, ME. Saturday, January 23 11pm - sunrise DJs 333 Mgee (London) Tintin (London) Dale Charles (San Diego) Overload (Maine) Onionz (Long Island) Mayhem (Boston) dEbo (Boston) Baptize you with auditory pleasure 10,000 watts of absolute madness in a 12,000 sq. ft. legal location by the sea smarbar: rader visual trips: videoport ravewear: worship & big fun house brilliant lighting: pandemonium! mega sound delight: king neptune's temple of boom chill in Mr. MiXX's 3-D room (dancehall, dub, deep house) our TOP ROOM will open up into a sunshine-fileed cavern of ecstacy dj mixed tapes available Promotions: Ed Fritz of The Basement, BiGfunHousE, MINDWARP, MelloMello, Worship, Rise Directions: Take I-95 North to Maine, Exit 6A, I-295 North to Exit 7, Franklin St. Arterial. Go straight through 6 lights, take a LEFT onto Fore St. Follow Fore St. until you see the X of XPRESS COPY. Pass XPRESS and continue approximately 1/8 mile up the hill. Entrance is to the right. Park beyond warehouses, next to the ocean and ENJOY. Tickets: $8/adv. (at Zootz or Bad Habits), $10/door. Ticket price includes pre-rave party at Zootz, 9pm - 1am, 31 Forest Ave., Portland. A portion of DEEP ticket sales will be donated to the Somalian relief effort. DEEP INFO: 207 773 6979 NY BUS INFO: 212 683 0085 BOSTON BUS INFO: 603 886 4217 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 ODYSSEY Long Island (516) - 289 - 3962 (516) - 737 - 9452 Far Out Sould Quench in association with X Cubed Present O D Y S S E Y a leap into the unknown Saturday, January 23, at Lay Away Future Sounds DJ's Micro, On-E, DNA, Jason Jinx, Omar, Sameer, Space Ace, Troposphere Promos: Eddie Van Raven, Chad E. Boy, Heather S., Mello Mello, Third Planet, Dennis The Menace, O-Tomic for info call 516 289-3962 or 737-9452 Doors open 10pm only 250 people will be admitted Join Us For A Surreal Experience Of House, Breakbeat, & Trance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Worcester, MA (617) - 629 - 0777 W o n d e r l a n d ' s: a gathering of the vibes January 30, 1993 10:00p - Sunrise Coming to you at the beginning of a new year, a gathering dedicated to those who know and those who are willing to learn. Let your soul be guided bt the power of a smile, the tranquility of love, and the enery of a happy crowd. Abandon the realm of reality and enter a world...one beyond that of simple imagination...WONDERLAND. DJ's on the noight providing NEW ENGLAND with a NEW SOUND for the NEW YEAR: Jeno - SanFrancisco's Finest Dante - Evolution, New York Debo - Boston Onionz - Evolution, Lay Away New York Jason Jinx - Limelight, Nasa New York Overload - Maine presale tickets $13 tickets day of $15 Available At: *The Other Side Cafe (boston) - (617)536-9477 (contact simon) *Allston Beat(boston) - (617)421-9555 *Boston Beat(boston) - (617)561-4790 *Luna Sea(providence) - (401)272-5862 *John(new york) - (909)826-8869 *Modern Music(baltimore) - (410)523-1882 *Zootz(portland) - (207)773-8187 *Bad Habits(portland) - (207)773-1310 Information and Bussing Hotline: (617)629-0777 10,000 watts of Booming Bass Strand Sound Rainbow Color and Entrancing Visuals by Pandemonium Smart Juice and Tea Party by Liquid Fusion $2 off each ticket will go directly towards Special Olympics Special Thanks To: The Entire Blue crew Evolution Lay Away Tom Casey and the Sunrise Gang Debo Nocturnal Sunshine Groover Posse Eric, Steve, Mark, Simon, Duke non-alcoholic event ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late January THE HOUSE YOU GREW UP IN Balt./DC area [from _Fission Power_, the UMD rave 'zine -- thanks Mike!!] The House You Grew Up In, brought to you by Atomic Vibe. Features John Leonardo, Scott Henry, L.G. McCannon, Bobble, and Wash. A fresh mix of 80's house style music. Call Atomic Vibe for info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 6 METAMORPHOSIS Boston DJs: Oshin Mayhem Heather Heather Jimmy Crash Dayz-X-One Savage Overload Featuring a live performance by ne-raves' own TOXIC BEATBOX ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 BLUE Providence, RI (617) - 232 - 3104 (401) - 776 - 5334 (212) - 683 - 0085 (207) - 773 - 6979 Primary Productions in association with Energy U.K. bring to you BLUE Arena One Arena Two Lenny Dee Mayhem OnionZ AV8 Industrial Strength Rise Layaway AV8 Records/Rise Colin Dale Overload 333 Passion KISS-FM U.K. Deep/Sky High Rise Ministry U.K. Tin Tin Adam-X MGEE Dale Charles Energy U.K. Storm Rave Rise Evar Bob Bentley On-E Debo DJ Denmark Sunrise U.K. NASA/Limelight Mindwarp Brooklyn 12 hours of pure, dummy suckin, ice-pole crunchin, horn blastin, whistle blowin, drink sharin, friendly huggin, floppy hat wearin, tambourine bangin, juice slurpin, strobe flashin, smoke cloudin, laser tunnelin, mind bending base!!... Saturday the 13th of February, 1993 THE LIGHTS Dr. Stephen and the Pandemonium Crew will transform the complex with a dazzling 10-watt full spectrum laser system, an array of intelligent lighting, including Intellabeams, Roboscans, Dataflash strobes, and a battery of other effects. THE SOUND A total of 50,000 watts of acoustically tailored sound, separated into two systems, and arranged as to maximize clarity and depth. THE STAGE The Blue Crew has gathered an array of performers and sets to dazzle. Fire eaters, jugglers, dancers, 15ft video walls, dance platforms, purpose-built staging and more... SERVICES Security by the Snatch Squad -- NO MISCONDUCT. R.O.A.R., no alcohol, clean toilets, coat check, on-site medic, information booth, STRICT door procedures. CONCESSIONS Big Fun House hats, shirts and accessories, valentine surprises, smart bar, juice bar. Merchandising proposals call between noon and 5:00pm (617)288-6732 before Februath 10th. PRICES $12 Advance Purchase, $15 at the door. $10 with RISE membership if purchased before February 1st. One ticket free for each group of 12 before February 10th. TICKET OUTLETS Boston: Boston Beat (617)561-4790 Allston Beat (617)424-9110 Mindwarp (617)266-1987 BigFunHouse (617)288-7632 Primary Prod. (617)232-3104 New York: Vinyl Mania (212)463-7120 Groove (718)714-1832 Primary Prod. (212)683-0065 New Jersey: Planet X (908)249-0304 Providence: Amoebahead (401)776-5334 Lunasea (401)272-5862 Fast Forward (401)272-8866 New Hampshire: First Strike (603)886-4217 Maine: Deep (207)773-6979 BUSES N.E. rave bus and car pool (603)886-4217 The Promise: 100% alive, 100% legal. BLUE: An extraordinary sound and visual environment created for you in a spacious warehouse complex. A portion of your ticket price will benefit Rhode Island Project AIDS and Greenpeace. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, February 14 GLOOKOS New York City (212) 631 - 1164 A Totally SWEET Valentine's TREAT GLOOKOS: The Cardiac X-Perience WATCH-OUT! NYC Rave TouR No work, no school, no X-cuse Special Premier Party DY-NAS-D Entertainment Coming Soon to a Warehouse Near You... NO ADDITIVES NO PRESERVATIVES Glookos contains 3 levels of happiness, 2 dance floors of fun, and a lounge of joy! MAIN LEVEL -- Hardcore, Acid, Tribal, Breakbeat, Ambient & more SCOTT HENRY FRANKIE BONES DANTE Catastrophic Storm Rave Evolution DEBO ONIONZ Mindwarp Layaway RIO MR. KLEEN JASON JINX Discorama Satellite Solar Comp. NYQUIL LOUNGE NAY-D SIR STEVE RUDE BOY RICK RUDY NUNEZ Chicago Spirit Private Vibes Ragga Culture Groove Creations NEUTRAL ZONE A-D VIZER BOY BLUE Alternative Trance New Wave Trip WATCH-OUT info line (212)631-1164 Advance Tickets: $12 w/invite, $14 w/o (must being invite for reduced admission), starting Feb. 8th thru Feb. 13th (11am - 11pm). Sold at: Discorama, 186 W. 4th St. (212)206-8417 (ask for Moses). Tickets day of event: $15 at Discorama till 8pm, and at map point from 8 to 12 at nite. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 20 MASSIVE DOSE Hartford, CT Hartford's First Rave. FEB. 20 HARTFORD, CT MASSIVE DOSE Stay addicted... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, April 3 REVERSE Burlington, VT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, April 3 BACK TO THE FUTURE Washington, DC from Michael Meacham on alt.rave: Back to the future Rave is scheduled tentatively for April 3rd in Washington DC. This will be a follow-up show to the successful Future Rave of last summer. Talent to be posted later. Look for major live Techno acts [possibly Moby], Rock Wall Climbing, bungee jumping, carnival rides, trance room, smart bar, lasers, DJs and much more. Expected to be the largest Rave on the East Coast with more than 7,000 expected. Look for major promotion in the upcoming weeks. Any questions, input, or vendor information, please contact Michael Meacham e-mail internet Techno016@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 10:24:56 EST From: "Mark Danks" Subject: smoke The kind of smoke that we use at work is JemFog. It is water based and works really well. You can get it from a company called Selco. THe number is 516.249.3662 Later, Mark ********medanks@silvertone.princeton.edu******** A Censor is a patrolman of the mind handing out tickets to thoughts and ideas which speed or make illegal u-turns. ************************************************ rave-trance-techno-tribal-smart-unity-tyinu-trams-labirt-onhcet-ecnart-evar [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 10:41:23 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: ftp site can someone please post directions on how to log on to the ftp site, and where it is, and what is in the ftp site, etc, etc. thanks kenny [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 11:08 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: ftp site SAVE THIS MAIL. AND I MEAN REALLY SAVE IT, BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP ASKING FOR IT!!! The ftp site for ne-raves is at media-lab.mit.edu To login do ftp media-lab.mit.edu login as anonymous give your own login name as a password cd pub/ne-raves Now look around. You'll find the alt.rave frequently-asked-questions list. You'll find the text of _Assemblage_ volume 1 under assemblage You'll find archives of old ne-raves traffic from previous months under back-issues You'll find info on drugs under drugs You'll find current copies of rave-o-matic, the rave-o-matic index, and the rave-clubs (techno club list) under rave-o-matic. You'll find copies of _Under One Sky_ magazine under uos Plus there's other stuff. To pick up a file and take it home with you, type get filename (for example, "get rave-o-matic") Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:01:37 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: essence = not total bliss = not too bad either.... On fog: It's pretty trivial to get a good fog for lasers going with a hot plate and an eyedropper full of 50% glycerine 50% water. Drop the mixture onto the hot plate, and perhaps use a muffin fan to move the fog into the room. Suprisingly, good fog machines do something very similar to this, exept they add fragrances to their fog juice, and force the juice at high pressure through a heated metal block. On lasers: I have a 1mW HeNe, not too powerful, but fun enough for portable ops. I am working on an interactive digital animation system using stepper motors as galvometers (one coil energized with DC, the other gets a signal), but of course this is all running open loop, so it is more "artsy" than exact drawing (ring...ring...ring..) A fellow UM RaveCoalitioner has a much more impressive set up with a higher power HeNe and an Argon. On cigarette burns: Ouch! I hate getting burnt by smokers!!!! -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 19 Jan 93 13:20:37 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: CHICAGO RAVEZ ? Hey all you RAVING LUNATIX. I'll be heading to Chicago this weekend (Jan. 22) What'z happening Rave-Wize or Club-Wize ? ANY info would be greatly appreciated. My two little bro'z (both taller than me :)) are flying out from my former place of rezidence (L.A.) and it would be dope if we could rave together ! I'm splittin' friday night, so if you have anything, pleaze hook me up quick. peace, love and rub-a-dub style ! Golden Boy -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: smart drinks From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 15:49:18 EST Funny you should ask that! I just today went and bought a container of Pearson & Shaw's "Energy Cycle". Pearson and Shaw are this couple out in CA that makes a lot of "life extension" products and I've heard a lot of good things about their smart drink mixes. I talked to the clerk at the store and he said what I would need for raves would be a carbohydrate booster, since it's an endurance thing. So Energy Cycle seemed to be the right choice. I've heard lots of good things about Fast Blast, too, and I'll have to try that someday. Anyway, I'm looking all over the package and the little pamphlet that came with it and I don't see a phone number or address anywhere. Sorry... Just call up all the health food stores in your area and ask if they have any Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw products. Michael | "I tell you one must still have (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) | chaos in one to give birth to | a dancing star!" -Nietzsche [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 17:28:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... (fwd) Let the bass kick... ---------- Text of forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:45:05 EST From: "David A. Roth" To: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... In Regards to your letter : > > The ROM is nothing like the original machine. Anyway, what makes you think > you can make rave music for this feature film? Because the film producer hired me to do so. I make my living writing writing different styles of music. > Why don't you just contact > a real rave artist and ask them for permission to use their song or > songs? Because I have been hired to do so. > There is nothing worse than some lame-o techno used in a major > film because people get the idea that that is what all rave or techno > sounds like. You are assuming that what I am creating for this film would be lame. You are wrong. I have worked in many areas of the music industry enough to be able to more easily between styles. If you don't think so, then that's your problem since I have nothing to prove to you cause I got the gig. > So what does this movie have to do with the rave scene > anyway? > It's the backdrop for the story of the film where things take place. David [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 17:28:26 -0500 From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: FTP-help... i followed the ftp instructions. i tried to get the back-issue files for june and stuff, but every time i type "get XXX" it says back: To local file: and i don't know what to respnd. Help, please? --Mr. confused yet SparklE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Ben.Jaffe@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ben Jaffe) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:51:00 -0500 Subject: smart drinks UU> Does anyone have a list of smart drinks that I could make? UU> I would be UU> better if they could be made from normal, over-the-counter UU> stuff, but if UU> other ingredients are neccessary, that's okay (like using UU> Smart Drinks, Inc. Check out a local heath food or drug store, and tell them what you want. Earlier today, Inhuman and I bought something called super-blast at a drug store in DC. Can't wait to try it out at Wonderland. For Liquid Holiday, we made our own, and it tasted delicious. Just by some standard multi-vitamins, crush them up, and put them in a blender w/ crushed ice, orange juice concentrate, tang, and you can even add some real oranges for extra flavor. We didn't use any sort o' recipe, just kept adding stuff and tasting until we had some good tasting shit. I can tell where to get stuff if your in DC. If you want to know any specific names/brands, post back and I'll look them up. You should be able to get you want simply by telling someone at the store what you need. Later, and best o' luck. peace! (increase it) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 19:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... (fwd) Let the bass kick... On Tue, 19 Jan 1993, Rave Crusader wrote: > > > Let the bass kick... > > ---------- Text of forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:45:05 EST > From: "David A. Roth" > To: raver909@telerama.pgh.pa.us > Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... > > > In Regards to your letter : > > > > The ROM is nothing like the original machine. Anyway, what makes you think > > you can make rave music for this feature film? > > Because the film producer hired me to do so. I make my living writing > writing different styles of music. > > > Why don't you just contact > > a real rave artist and ask them for permission to use their song or > > songs? > > Because I have been hired to do so. > > > There is nothing worse than some lame-o techno used in a major > > film because people get the idea that that is what all rave or techno > > sounds like. > > You are assuming that what I am creating for this film would > be lame. You are wrong. I have worked in many areas of the music > industry enough to be able to more easily between styles. If you > don't think so, then that's your problem since I have nothing to prove > to you cause I got the gig. > > > So what does this movie have to do with the rave scene > > anyway? > > > It's the backdrop for the story of the film where things take place. > > David Seems as though this guy David is going to be working on music for a feature film about raves.... Interesting . I however think he is clueless as to the music (having talked to him in rec.music.makers.synth). I suggest your write him mail and tell him what's up. Joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 18:52:03 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: smart drinks I just ordered Intellex from Chris Beaumot (ccat). The stuff is great! Don't waste your time with some generic drug store brand. Get the real stuff from a real raver. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Do you have that? Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 0:29:54 EST Ok, i finally found the name of two out of the three song i was looking for, thanks to Culfinion from bpm, and MRDC at Clandestin. The first one was "designer lamps" by Pete Shelley, and is the b-side of "waiting for love". So if you have it and dont know what to do with it, or you have seen that, please email me, i need it for a sample. The second song has not been found (the 87 song with "dance" and "can you" as samples). The third is "House Nation" by House masters and the rude boy of house on dancemania records (featuring Sweet D on keyboards). This one too i need for a sample. So either a vinyl or a DAT will do for both these records. Please contact me if you have them, or you know where i can buy them. And i'm still looking for an extended of Beat oven (on italian style records). Also, if there is a better list to find vinyls, i'd like to know. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 10:43:16 EST From: conway@cipr-server.MGH.Harvard.Edu (Kevin Conway) Subject: MTV Is Liquid Television still being shown on MTV. I thought it used to be on Tuesday nights at 10.00pm ? Not rave related but I'm sure the answer is out there ! kac --- * --- conway@cipr-server.mgh.harvard.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 10:58:18 EST From: conway@cipr-server.MGH.Harvard.Edu (Kevin Conway) Subject: MTV Is Liquid Television still shown on MTV ? I thought it was on Tuesdays at 10.00pm . Not rave related but I'm sure the answer is out there somewhere! kac --- * --- conway@cipr-server.mgh.harvard.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 15:38:26 EST > > You are assuming that what I am creating for this film would > > be lame. You are wrong. I have worked in many areas of the music > > industry enough to be able to more easily between styles. If you > > don't think so, then that's your problem since I have nothing to prove > > to you cause I got the gig. > > Seems as though this guy David is going to be working on music for a > feature film about raves.... Interesting . > I however think he is clueless as to the music (having talked to him in > rec.music.makers.synth). > I suggest your write him mail and tell him what's up. > Joe What, and flame him for not being a real raver(tm)? Everyone listens to music in different ways. I like to think that I am very perceptive of the structure of different styles of dance music, and that I could, once I get my musical equipment coordinated, effectively write 'authentic' (although not necessarily good) techno, house, trance, ambient, hardcore, breakbeat, progressive, what have you. I know other people who listen to music in different ways, like Todd Sines for example, who is less perceptive of structure and melody than I am. However, he is far more adept than I could ever hope to be in terms of sound texture and abstract aspects of dance music which I can barely put into words. I have been analyzing dance music for longer than he has, but neither of us has been listening to it for that long. Yet Todd is at the very least equally and is most likely *much* more capable than me of composing dance music. So just because he's not constructing music the way I would, nor thinking about it in the same way whatsoever, *doesn't* mean that if he, I, this David guy, Francois Dion, Toxic Beatbox, Michael Wertheim, and a room full of monkeys with 808s 303s and samplers were to have a composathon, that David's music would *necessarily* be inferior. Of course without a techno background David is not likely to do as well as he could do, but the point is that we don't need to all gang up on him; if he is capable of making halfway decent music, we'd all feel pretty stupid. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 16:23:28 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Mike J. Brown: > > So just > because he's not constructing music the way I would, nor thinking about it in > the same way whatsoever, *doesn't* mean that if he, I, this David guy, > Francois Dion, Toxic Beatbox, Michael Wertheim, and a room full of monkeys What am i doing in a room full of monkeys? > with 808s 303s and samplers were to have a composathon, that David's music > would *necessarily* be inferior. Of course without a techno background David > is not likely to do as well as he could do, but the point is that we don't > need to all gang up on him; if he is capable of making halfway decent music, > we'd all feel pretty stupid. There is a guy at the station who do jingles, and i must say he has done some of the best techno jingles, even if his knowledge of techno is limited to a 10 minute crash course i gave him... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 16:30:20 EST From: WILL-E Subject: DIGI*TEK Did an-E-one go to DIGI*TEK last Thursday, Jan 14 in New York city? It was opening night (as I understand it) but I didn't make it. an-E-way, we're thinking ov going this Thurs. and was wondering how it was last week... haven't heard an-E-thing about it.... Cheers! WILL-E "peace, unit-E, L-ov-E, and having phun!" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20 Jan 93 16:35:10 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Errrr...ummmm...if this David cat (great name !) isn't hip to the tunez, why not suggest a few or pass the dude a dub or two ? If he'z going to represent what so many people are a part of, let'z help him, not flame him. The people on the net have great taste in techno, great ability to make techno and tonz of the music. Just my $0.03 worth (inflation :)) Peace, self-reflection and poetry -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:56:27 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: TR-909 Available... For all you budding techno producers, I may have found a source for a Roland TR-909. He's asking $450.00 US. If interested let me know. Let the bass kick... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 17:24:01 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: a book called galanta i thought i'd tell you all about a group called A Book Called Glanta. they are the ones putting on the 24 hour rave in North Carolina. (their rave in maine was cancelled) they are a group of ravers from maine who quit their jobs and now travel around to rave scenes that are just beginning and put on raves. they are currently in NC doing just this. i talked to one of them on the phone, she was very nice. she said, "we all love raving so much, we decided to make it our lives." nice, huh. i honestly don't think that they are doing so well right now, so if you can, support them. they are the furthest thing from profit hungry. you can meet them at Wonderland's, as they said that they will be there. stay groovy, -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english you better work! @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Future Sound Of London and incarnations Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 18:31:27 EST Has anyone compiled a discography of the Dougans/Cockbain duo, most famous for their work under the name Future Sound of London? After finally hearing the Earth Beat "compilation" and acquiring one of their older 12"s (Pulse EP vol 2), and already having the FSOL _Accelerator_ CD, I'm curious to know how much more stuff is out there. Those of you who have something by them other than what I just mentioned, please let me know... I'll compile a discography if no one else has. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20 Jan 1993 19:23:56 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Future Sound Of London and incarnations mr dougans first caught my heart with his totally incredible acid house track called StakkerHumanoid .. under the band name "humanoid". this song, as well as a song called "cry baby" are on the 'acido amigo' acid house comp. HIGHLY recomended.. if you can find it.. "stakker humanoid" were so far ahead of their time.. that that song is now appearing on a recent techno comp (i can't remember the name)...he was doing techno while the world was doing acid house (original acid house). i saw a cd at TOWER last week.. i don't remember the name of it at all.. BUT, he and another guy wrote every song on it. with the brilliance of "stakker humanoid" and "cry baby" and the bliss of FSoL... i'd say this guy's material is worth hunting down. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20 Jan 1993 19:26:17 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Future Sound Of London and incarnations i just re-read that post.. and i made some typos and weird grammar fuck ups. to clear up any confusion..if you are confused: HUMANOID: is the band name "stakker humanoid" (and "cry baby") are the song names 'acido amigo' is where they can be found mr. dougans is also the Future sound of london. ahhh. >>taylor.infiltr8.eight.(0).8 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:48:18 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: a book called galanta Camper, I thought you made raving your life, but these folks even out do you. ;-) Do you know if they've secured all the legal permits for this rave. I'm a little parnoid traveling to NC for a rave. This state elects Jesse Helms to the U.S. Senate, and with the 48 hours story about LSD and rave there's no doubt he'd try to make a political issue of this rave if he learns about it. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Let the bass kick... On xxx, 20 Jan 1993, CYBRID wrote: > > Errrr...ummmm...if this David cat (great name !) isn't hip to the > tunez, why not suggest a few or pass the dude a dub or two ? If > he'z going to represent what so many people are a part of, let'z > help him, not flame him. The people on the net have great > taste in techno, great ability to make techno and tonz of the music. > > Just my $0.03 worth (inflation :)) > > Peace, self-reflection and poetry > > -- > David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] > Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 > Development Services <> > Case Western Reserve University. This is what I meant by "tell him what's up." I didn't mean to flame him, I just wanted people to send him lists of GOOD TECHNO so that maybe this song which is to be part of a feature movie that takes place in a club is a GOOD techno song. I also think it might be a good idea for people to as you said pass him a dub ot two. My only beef with him was his position of calling me a theif for sampling stuff without "getting the proper authorization." Other than that he is a cool dude. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:47:50 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Rave Crusader: > > My only beef with him was his position of > calling me a theif for sampling stuff without "getting the proper > authorization." Other than that he is a cool dude. I think that sampling has its raison d'etre. I sample stuff, and i dont care if someone samples me (i'll be flattered). Of course i don't sample large parts of songs, only sounds. What i find stupid anyway, is that if i sample, i transform the sound anyway (i do not have a digital interface like SPDIFon my computer or my CD) so it's not the same sound anymore. Of course, i will not go more into copyright laws and stuff like that (you see, i like concepts like copyleft, public domain, etc... when they apply to things like sounds), because i dont want to bore everyone, but if people feel strongly about this subject, you can email me. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Well my view was simply "FUCK THE LAW, make MUSIC!" (c) 1993 Rave Crusader. I got tired of all the whining about "but can I use this?" "Can I do that?" I simply believe that most techno/rave artists have little chance on getting caught and pursued by anyone over sampling unless it is something that is starting to sell well. Heck, most of the people who the sample came from would never hear the work which uses their sample. Let the bass kick... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) Subject: Full Info on The Great Rave Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 22:41:55 EST THE HORIZON GROUP PRESENTS THE G R E A T R A V E Saturday, January 23, 1993 At the Great Hall (Haviland Hall) The University of the Arts 320 South Broad Street (Broad&Pine) 15 Colossal Drivers: Goodwill & Phase 1 Delaware Lee & Remick Zodiac MG & Odessey Ninth Wonder Tripp & Katz Trocadero Atomizer & Mr. Fun New Jersey Wink M.E.R.E. Raves Boy Blake & Nigel Richards Horizon Group Rehab Room by Jamie & Scott Smilemakers INTELLIGENT LIGHTING AND LASER SHOW RAVE GEAR RAVE TAPES POPI SMART BAR DOORS: 9 PM ADMISSION 10 GEORGE WASHINGTONS FOR MORE INFO Call the Devil-Line (215)292-4666 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:19:49 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: Full Info on The Great Rave This thing sounds pretty good. Anyone know how legal this thing is though?? Will it get busted like everything else thats ever happened in Philly? I hope not..... - Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) Subject: Re: Full Info on The Great Rave Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 23:19:14 EST AMP writes: This thing sounds pretty good. Anyone know how legal this thing is though?? Will it get busted like everything else thats ever happened in Philly? I hope not..... - Fluid ----- Very legal. Infact it's "100% legal and insured." It's also sponsored by a bunch of commercial orgs, like WDRE (103.9), which is bad because it might raise the cheesiness factor, but it won't get busted. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20 Jan 1993 23:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... i could write PAGES on the sampling thing... but, i wont.. i love sampling. i am very aware of the current issues and what not surroundingthe controversy.. basically...i do not get permission to sample.. (i sample a LOT..)..part of my musical message relies on sampling technology.. the whole cyberpunk/cut and past/postmodern aspect. however, on my first toxic beatbox tape...in the legal copy.. it says: copyright 1992.. (etc.)...unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws..but, sample to your hearts content. i have been sampled before.. by friends.. and used in their songs.. i love it. however, i think sampling and reusing sounds should be done CREATIVELY.. and you should use the sound in a NEW way.. that wasn't used before... that's my brief sampling credo. i'd love to talk to anyone about it... (without wasting ne-raves space) if anyone is interested.. peace and love. >>taylor.severing.information.(808) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:43:51 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ Feel Through Your Zones & Wiggle }== Subject: Debbie Moore's X-Plicit Players present ... Forwarded... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I know of a lot of us go to raves in search of various forms of altered conciousness and new ways of relating to people. A good crowd can be lifted into a state of shared consciousness by a "god-like" set; many of us have been lucky enough to feel that sometimes. Some folks have expressed interest in shamanistic religious practices in other cultures, where drumming, dancing, and botanicals are used to create a profoundly different reality. Interesting claims are also made for S&M. So, check this out. Last Saturday night, my SO and I attended a participatory performance by the "X-Plicit Players", who among other things, design clothing and repeatedly get arrested for public nudity in Berkeley. This was not your basic night out watching yet another "experimental" theater piece, it was more like a new raft for riding the psychic whitewater. The crew used a variety of interesting techniques to detach us from our everyday personalities and thought patterns so that as a group we could all join in the spell that was woven. Vocal repetition, body paint, pheremones, ambient heat, and (quite subtly) prolonged silence on the part of the participants were all brought to bear, along with a few low-tech audio toys. Oh, and it lasted six hours. Brainwashing, by hand, with organic soap. To begin, we were led into the theater one at a time by a woman wearing only body paint and a wristwatch, and placed at various points around a well-heated room, with a least a hand on some other person. As this was going on, Debbie Moore was hypnotically half-chanting in counterpoint with her own recorded voice, about letting go of fear, being able to play like babies, overcoming society's programming, and stuff like that. Once the "human sculpture" was complete, the players commenced a series of body "readings". This entailed two or more people hugging one of us "audience" and Debbie, head mike, body paint, and all, improvising on what was going through one's mind. While what she said was sort of generic ( of course I was feeling anxiety and desire to love, or why would I be there ? ), the effect was to heighten suggestibility. Thinking back on it, I don't remember particular phrases so much as a carefully-constructed ambience. To those of you who feel that song lyrics disrupt your trances, consider that *some* lyrics may well induce a collective trance state pretty well, though "dance while the record spins" doesn't quite do it. The next phase of the evening was for the audience to sit in a circle around most of the cast, who enacted what in rave terms could be called a fantasy slither pile ( apologies to mw ). One of the guys was sometimes absent from the embrace so he could fiddle with the digital delay and the cassette player. After another 1/2 hour or so the narration got a little more directive, that we should be ready to play, that touching need not be sex, that we should feel with our whole bodies, that like babies we should be open to sensation, that we were to stay safe (i.e. orifices off-limits). So by the end of the second hour, we all got our clothes off, and got blindfolds on. We were then led over to lie / sit with our various anonymous neighbors and were moved through some directed carresses, led by cast members. Thrill #1: the gender was indeterminate at first. Being naked and anonymous and programmed gave us the license to do most anything that was wasn't orgasm-oriented. It was pretty great being able to lose my self in waves of being touched. Then came Thrill #2: changing partners. Now I had to "make advances" as the other guy seemed, well, shy, or something (though not for long:), and I figured taht testing my limits was better than getting bored. Oh, and Thrill #3: the blindfold came loose. Honest, I didn't mean it! So now I got a peek of what my spouse was up to. Anyway, back to playing. This phase lasted about 90 minutes. The constant stream of suggestions and instructions helped us get to a place a little bit outside of time, though I admit that 90 minutes turned out to be long enough. So there followed a chill-out period with the 'cast' returning to their original pile and reading lengthy raps about themselves. "Audience" members exchanged glances; funny how somebody didnt' meet my eye :-) (men are *all* alike !-). Gradually we got to the point of a few shy questions, and then the gathering broke up with everyone invited to participate in future events, such as the flier I attach to this message. So there you have it. A subtly controlled, overwhelming sensory environment which led some people to do some things they might not otherwise do. The hypnotic repetitious claim that "this is not sex" was, er, disingenuous, but what the hey, it was a way of granting permission, and of looking at sensual pleasure outside of one's normal ideas about who is attractive or of the appropriate gender. I certainly got to some emotional places I hadn't visited in years. ("So you claim you're 'heterosexual but not straight', eh? Try this on!"). There were some boundaries getting temporarily dissolved, ov course in a manner that allows for easy denial afterwards. All in all a worthwhile experience, tho not what I'd do every weekend. How does that saying go, "Exploring sensuality without conquering fear is like eating an egg without salt"? Something like that. But enough of this, confession is only for Catholics anyway :-). Text of flier follows: Debbie Moore's X-Plicit Players present Act of Intimacy 5 - 10 pm, Saturday, Feb. 20th New College, 777 Valencia St. San Francisco info: 510-540-0907 "Debbie Moore and the X-Plicit Players bring their Nude Street Activism into PERFORMANCE RITUALS that take their audiences into the TRIBAL CUSTOMS of TENDERNESS, BODY READING, and a "TOUR-OF-TOUCH". $12 ========================================================================= 8^) tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 02:08:02 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Vizine #2 requests so - if anyone would like to make submissions, take out ads in issue number 2 of the zine - the deadline is wednesday 1/ whatever th a a week from yesterday is. i/m looking for record store reviews for the feb issue and record reviews for the jan issue and if you asked for a hard copy of issue number one, please tell me whether you got it yet..... thanks pat To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: re: pics of us all Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 7:53:05 EST There is a GIF of me, Todd Sines, Damian "dieselBoy" Higgins, and our friends right now on cs.uwp.edu in pub/incoming/pictures/alt.rave, under the name ohio1.gif. but grab it fast; soon it will be replaced with a JPEG (smaller file, different format, same quality). ohio2.gif is a GIF of dieselBoy spinning at the Smart Bar in Cleveland, where they have a mixer with *knobs*. ohio3.gif is 3 color pictures from House of Euphoria rave in Cincinnati back in November. One is of people dancing, one is of Richie Hawtin, one is of Kevy Kev. All of these will be replaced with JPEGs soon, so if you don't have JPEG viewing or GIF-JPEG converting software, you'd better grab the GIFs while you can. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:39:31 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Future Sound o' London mjbrown: I have this Dougans/Cobain 12" called 'So This is Love' by Mental Cube on Earth Beat records. It's really nice.. Also, they're the two responsible for creating 'Humanoid' in 1988.. I don't remember what label that was originally issued on in the UK (I have a German copy without much info on it.. :( ). Hmm. I can't think of anything else.. I'd like to see the discography when you're done, though! Darshan 'Come on let's work! Let's work it to the bone, come on let's work! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Jan 93 08:54:36 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... > Well my view was simply "FUCK THE LAW, make MUSIC!" (c) 1993 Rave > Crusader OWWWWW !!! Fuck the masses ! Beat thieves unite !! And make us move ! RAVE ON !!!! -- David Burney [deb9@po.cwru.edu] Analyst/Programmer I 216.368.4470 Development Services <> Case Western Reserve University. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:56:33 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... On 20 Jan 1993 TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > however, i think sampling and reusing sounds should be done CREATIVELY.. and > you should use the sound in a NEW way.. that wasn't used before... > > >>taylor.severing.information.(808) I have had this discussion many times before, and I totally agree with you there. Usually in most songs, the sampling is creative, but often it's not. For instance remember way back when, when the song 'it takes two' came out - with the "woo...yeah" (or whatever) sample. That was great...but then so many other people came along and used the SAME sample...or even sampled from the original song. I had a friend that argued with me "if it sounds good, then that's all that matters." Maybe he's right, but I think that once a sample has be used, then usually there's no where else to go from there. oh well...sample free or die free negativland! -d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Future Sound Of London and incarnations From: Rob H Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:49:50 -0500 > [ .. stuff about FSOL omitted .. ] > Those of you who have something by them > other than what I just mentioned, please let me know... I'll compile a > discography if no one else has. > > Mike Brown > _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient > I've seen an old CD simply called "Humanoid" (? I think) which has the original Stakker Humanoid and a bunch of other tracks. I've also seen a CD called something like Stakker Humanoid '92, which has a bunch of remixes of the original song. It appears to be available in quite a few stores (at least here in Toronto). Sorry, I don't have all the serial numbers and stuff, but perhaps this will lead you in the right direction. I'd love to see a discography for these guys as well. Later, Rob H. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:35:51 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Fwd: NEW (808 State & Intermix) REVIEW Just in case you guys ignore the noise problem in Ne-Raves, here's my review of two new albums readers may be interested in. -Matt ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 12:58:48 -0500 From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: NEW (808 State & Intermix) REVIEW (Review #1, permission to reprint/resend/etc given, as long as the entire article is left in it's original state. BPM's are provided based on 16 beat timing.) 808 State - Gorgeous (Tommy Boy TBCD 1067) track 1: 4.45 - 131BPM - Colony track 2: 2.55 - 120BPM - Moses track 3: 3.41 - 143BPM - Contrique track 4: 3.33 - 130BPM - 10 x 10 track 5: 2.42 - 134BPM - One in Ten track 6: 4.02 - 124BPM - Plan 9 track 7: 4.17 - 120BPM - Europa track 8: 4.01 - 124BPM - Orbit track 9: 4.05 - 119BPM - Black Morpheus track 10: 5.04 - 120BPM - Southern Cross track 11: 4.34 - 123BPM - Nimbus track 12: 2.56 - 133BPM - Timebomb track 13: 3.23 - 126BPM - Stormin Norman track 14: 3.01 - 121BPM - Sexy Dancer track 15: 3.39 - 131BPM - Sexy Synthesizer total: 0:56.40 Recorded in B.A.S.E. Just got this at the radio station. Sounds slightly similar to their old stuff, some basic sounds, and a few oddities in there also. Ian McCollch (Echo & Bunneymen) does vocals on track 2. Caroline Seaman (?) does vocals on track 7. They manage to sample the entire guitar riff of Joy Division's "She's Lost Control" on track 3. All the tracks are pretty much below 135bpm. Track 5 is the UB40 team up. Tracks to check out, Colony(1), Europa(7), Nimbus(11), & Sexy Synthesize(15). Stay away from track 14, the corny vocal hits just ruin the enitre song. Scale of 1-10: (5 being average) I'ld give it around a 6. Not bad, and sorta cool to listen to the entire thing. But only a few tracks are exceptional, some sound more like filler material. I must admit that Nimbus sounds better than what I remember the 12" version sounding like. Intermix - Phaze Two (Third Mind Records TMD 9118) track 1: 6.11 - 127BPM - Get Religion track 2: 6.11 - 121BPM - Down and Out track 3: 6.14 - 124BPM - The Process track 4: 5.42 - 096BPM - Can You Move It track 5: 6.25 - 125BPM - Dream On track 6: 6.13 - 120BPM - Funky Hell track 7: 6.04 - 128BPM - Phaze One track 8: 6.29 - 130BPM - Truth track 9: 4.18 - 130BPM - Corollary track 10: 9.23 - 136BPM - Monument track 11: 4.04 - 123BPM - Fall Out total: 1:07.16 Bell Leeb & Rhys Fulber come back to release some more. Not as many lifted beats on this one as the last one, but James Brown's "Funky Drummer" is back (as it was on "The Blade" on the previous album). Some of the sounds used on this album sound similar to some of the Belgium sound of Pragha Kahn and that crew. But the sounds are better proccessed, and less raw on this album. Lots of stereo effects included. If you liked the previous album, grab this one. This also sounds a little bit like the recent Recoil album. No ambient, beatless tracks. Weighing this one up on the scale, results in a 8. Go buy this one. -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 8pm-Midnight Fridays 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh (And a Note to those near the Pittsburgh area. MUTATION is coming, from the people who brought you EVOLUTION. Stay tuned, more info and dates shortly.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:13:51 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: TR-909 Searchers Good news, I may have found two TR-909's. One guy has one and I think another guy has one for sell. This guy will listen to offers: Brandon (817)460-6139 Tell him Joe sent you. Let the bass kick... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:27:30 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: NEW (808 State & Intermix) REVIEW >Just in case you guys ignore the noise problem in Ne-Raves, here's my >review of two new albums readers may be interested in. Should have been: Just in case you guys ignore the noise problem on ALT.RAVE, here's ... Gotta stay awake at work, and actually re-read what I plan on sending out to people. -Matt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:32:10 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers so what makes a tr-909 at ~ $450 (used) better than, say, a dr-660, which has 808 and 909 sounds in it, at ~ $400 (new)? anything besides being able to say "i have a 909"? anyone want to describe a 909 to us? thanks, mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers i'm trying to figure out what the hell i should be investing in next. i have a simple drum machine (DR-550) but want more flexibility and sounds. i have a synth but want to be able to program it easily. i have an ibm compatible computer but would need to upgrade it at least a little to use it for music, or i might be getting a mac or NeXT. so here are my questions: (1) how many different sounds can you use in one pattern on a 660? (2) why or why not is it feasible to use a drum machine as a simple sequencer? i.e. what are the limitations? (3) i hear that there might be a rack-mount version of the 660 coming out (i.e. a sound module). how much do you think this or another nice drum sound module cost? and where can i get an 808 kit? (4) what are the relative merits of software and hardware sequencers? i.e. running on a computer vs. buying some kind of dedicated box (5) given that i prefer programming simple melodies and basslines on my synth, what would be the best way to get this stuff into my music? a rack-mount synth? how do i get different voices simultaneously? (i.e. how do i get a bassline and a melody in different voices at the same time, all controlled by a sequencer) (5) how much does it cost to do the following things on various computer platforms (ibm-compatible, mac, NeXT), what are the pros and cons of doing it this waym and what sort of hardware requirements are there (RAM, HD, additional boards)? (1) sequencing (2) sound playback (pre-recorded sounds - using the computer as a sound module) (3) sampling (recording to hard disk for playback) (6) would it make sense to think about investing in a 660 or something similar now (i have a korg poly-800 and a DR-550 that i'd try to sell) and perhaps plan on using it as a sound module when i get a real sequencer? thanks for any help you can offer. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:03:24 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Let the bass kick... On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, mike perkowitz wrote: > > so what makes a tr-909 at ~ $450 (used) better than, say, a dr-660, which > has 808 and 909 sounds in it, at ~ $400 (new)? anything besides being able > to say "i have a 909"? anyone want to describe a 909 to us? > > thanks, > > mike Well the DR-660 is ok I guess but it is just playing back samples of the TR-808 and TR-909. You can't alter the "snappiness" of the snare or alter the Kick in the fashion that you can on the the original. Also I think the drums in the 909 and 808 were synthesised with analog circuitry and the samples can't compare to the analog sounds as far as brightness, punchyness, or warmth. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:11 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers >so here are my questions: > >(1) how many different sounds can you use in one pattern on a 660? I don't have a 660, but on my drum machine I believe you can use all of the drum PADS at the same time. I have an Alesis HR-16, and you can set each pad to be one of the sounds that are available. You can tune them up or down, mix them left to right, control individual pad volume, etc. >(2) why or why not is it feasible to use a drum machine as a simple sequencer? > i.e. what are the limitations? Drum machines' internal loop sequencers are usually adequate for making any drum loops. I don't know which drum machines are capable of recording other instruments and playing them back, though. I know there are some machines that have great sequencers in them, but I couldn't tell you which ones. >(3) i hear that there might be a rack-mount version of the 660 coming out > (i.e. a sound module). how much do you think this or another nice > drum sound module cost? and where can i get an 808 kit? I've heard EXCELLENT things about the Alesis D4 module, and I believe you can get it new for around $400. It also has a nice feature of being able to act as a controller for MIDI pads/drums, so you can use it with triggers like DrumKats, Octapads, and those cool PVC pipe drum triggers. >(4) what are the relative merits of software and hardware sequencers? > i.e. running on a computer vs. buying some kind of dedicated box Hardware sequencers do the job, but editing can sometimes be a real pain. I personally prefer being able to see the whole drum pattern on a computer screen (I use a Mac) and be able to just point at and move/delete the information that way. Also, computer-based sequencers usually have lots more frills like humanization, etc. >(5) given that i prefer programming simple melodies and basslines on > my synth, what would be the best way to get this stuff into my > music? a rack-mount synth? how do i get different voices simultaneously? > (i.e. how do i get a bassline and a melody in different voices at > the same time, all controlled by a sequencer) Most MIDI controlled synths can be set to respond to a certain MIDI "channel" (1-16). Just record the part you want into the sequencer on a particular channel, and when the sequencer plays the music back, only that sequencer will respond. (But make sure there are no other keyboards in your loop set to the same channel or they will play, too). All of the newer (1987+?) keyboards respond to all MIDI channels, and many can play a different voice (patch) on each channel simultaneously. >(5) how much does it cost to do the following things on various computer > platforms (ibm-compatible, mac, NeXT), what are the pros and cons of > doing it this waym and what sort of hardware requirements are there > (RAM, HD, additional boards)? > (1) sequencing > (2) sound playback (pre-recorded sounds - using the computer as a sound > module) > (3) sampling (recording to hard disk for playback) I cannot speak for the NeXT, but I can for the Mac and PC. MOST of this totally depends on your budget. There are boards and systems from $50 all the way up to $50,000 depending on hard disks, digital channels needed, etc. For the PC, you can get an MPU/401 compatible interface for $75 and a program like Cakewalk Pro for $150 and I think you'd be really happy with it for a first system. On the Mac, you can get interfaces for around $75 also and programs go from $100 to about $795. Mostly only the higher-end packages allow sample playback with the normal sequencing, and you need some sort of hardware board to put into your computer ($250 on up). Some do 2 channels, some 4, and some are entire racks of interfaces and hard disks allowing you to control many digital channels of sound. A simple sampling board for a PC would be something like SoundBlaster. There are both 8 and 16 bit versions available, for around $150-$300. They include software. I could go on, but I won't unless you require more information. >(6) would it make sense to think about investing in a 660 or something similar > now (i have a korg poly-800 and a DR-550 that i'd try to sell) and > perhaps plan on using it as a sound module when i get a real sequencer? If you like the sounds and feel comfortable programming it, I'd say go for it. If it is fully MIDI capable (I'm sorry I don't know the specs on this machine at all) then you'll be able to use it for years to come. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:07:58 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ Is This Cool ? }== Has anyone heard about this? It is happening in Hartford, CT tonight and I am wondering if I should go... Vibe Assault Hardcore Techno DJ: Mr. Trash Body Piercing and Taatooing on premisis. $2 Does anyone know what is up with this? tt [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:05 EST From: herb@vax.clarku.edu I tried the request address, but I have to do this all "anonymously" so I'm not sure if it's going to work...so, sorry, but...subscribe me please!!!...thanks!! Heather\ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pccmoddan@aol.com Subject: Stakker Humanoid Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:47:29 EST How right you are man! The first time I heard Humanoid was on a Commodore 64 demo that two fellows from England, Ash & Dave, had worked up with a homemade sampler. It blew my mind then and it still does. -pccmoddan@aol.com Maelcum [KLF] - GOP/DK - Shaggy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:45 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Damien, are you there? dieselBoy, are you still out there? _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers i'm trying to figure out what the hell i should be investing in next. i have a simple drum machine (DR-550) but want more flexibility and sounds. i have a synth but want to be able to program it easily. i have an ibm compatible computer but would need to upgrade it at least a little to use it for music, or i might be getting a mac or NeXT. so here are my questions: (1) how many different sounds can you use in one pattern on a 660? (2) why or why not is it feasible to use a drum machine as a simple sequencer? i.e. what are the limitations? (3) i hear that there might be a rack-mount version of the 660 coming out (i.e. a sound module). how much do you think this or another nice drum sound module cost? and where can i get an 808 kit? (4) what are the relative merits of software and hardware sequencers? i.e. running on a computer vs. buying some kind of dedicated box (5) given that i prefer programming simple melodies and basslines on my synth, what would be the best way to get this stuff into my music? a rack-mount synth? how do i get different voices simultaneously? (i.e. how do i get a bassline and a melody in different voices at the same time, all controlled by a sequencer) (5) how much does it cost to do the following things on various computer platforms (ibm-compatible, mac, NeXT), what are the pros and cons of doing it this waym and what sort of hardware requirements are there (RAM, HD, additional boards)? (1) sequencing (2) sound playback (pre-recorded sounds - using the computer as a sound module) (3) sampling (recording to hard disk for playback) (6) would it make sense to think about investing in a 660 or something similar now (i have a korg poly-800 and a DR-550 that i'd try to sell) and perhaps plan on using it as a sound module when i get a real sequencer? thanks for any help you can offer. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:55:37 MST > so what makes a tr-909 at ~ $450 (used) better than, say, a dr-660, which > has 808 and 909 sounds in it, at ~ $400 (new)? anything besides being able > to say "i have a 909"? anyone want to describe a 909 to us? The 909 has analog tuning, which in my book isn't that big of a deal. On the bass, with the 303, it IS, but with a drum machine, I'd just rather go with the bestest and the latest. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:53:42 PST From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: while we're on the subject of synths.... This was posted to the EPS list... > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:08:05 EST > From: bill@Ensoniq.COM > Subject: NAMM > > I didn't go to NAMM, nor did Ensoniq officially. A few people from here went; > John Senior from my department was one. He reported that there was little > buzz about some great new thing. He noticed that: > > Alesis' new vapor keyboard is still under glass (64 voices for $1500); > > Roland has a new workstation keyboard, including a 28-voice expander option; > > Kawaii has a DP/4 clone, with fewer effects, fewer parameters, and twice as > many input and output jacks as the DP/4; > > Yamaha has an A/D/A box for hard-disk recording; it requires a computer to > control it and attaches to a SCSI hard disk directly; > > Akai has a 4 track hard-disk recorder; it does not require a computer and it > attaches to a SCSI hard disk directly ($2000); > > Anatek has a pocket 24-track hard disk recorder. It runs off the power from > a MIDI cable. (just kidding); > > Akai has a new line of samplers; the list prices start around the price of > an ASR-10 and go up from there. You can get a 128MB optical drive (MO) built > in. > > Akai has a new $995 sampler. 16 bits but only 8 voices; no memory expansion. > > One important development that went down is that Opcode has relinquished > control of OMS to Apple, who will distribute it without royalties. This is > a boon to all Mac software developers who wanted to have OMS but didn't want > to dear with their competitor (Opcode.) > > Bill [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:28:13 EST From: "BOREDOM IS ALWAYS COUNTERREVOLUTIONARY." Subject: mailing list Could you put me on the mailing list? Thanks. Cin ___________________Cindy___kawakami@alm.admin.usfca.edu___________________ "All you lack is the consciousness of what you know." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:09:09 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers 808/909 vs. samples of 808/909: i can't speak for a 909, since i don't have one.. but this might carry over to it anyway: for years i used 808 samples and stuff.. and thought they were fine and perfect.that is.. until i got an 808. after hearing the FEEL of this drum machine.. not to mention the clarity of the sounds, i realized that all of my samples just didn't come CLOSE to comparing.. the 808 and 909 are famous not only for their sounds, but for the feel of their internal clocks and sequencers. very tight and robotik. however, buying an insturment like a roland R-8 is a little more practical.. because you have access to 808 and 909 sounds (tho not at the same time) and a lot of editing (not to mention MIDI, which 808's don't have)...and, it is cheaper to buy and R8 (under $500 used) than an 808 and 909 (nearly $1000 used, together). nothing will beat the sound and feel of the true machines...but, if can't have access to them, the R-8 is the best thing i've heard so far. >>taylor...808. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers pete>the bestest and the latest. latest does not always = bestness! especially in today's canned sample playback market. >.taylor.analog.fetish [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:19:36 AST From: "Mary-Kathryn Whitney" Subject: DEEP Portland,ME-23.Jan-who's goin'? =================================================================== I should be sending this to hook-up-o-matic but I forget how so ... is anyone going to DEEP in Portland, Maine this Sat? There are 7 cars of Canadians going (four NE-Ravers). I hope to run into some of you. I think Camper & Donato said they were going & possibly Laura & John. Anyone else?Oh yeah - guess I'll find out on tomorrow's Hook-up. None of us have badges so it might be difficult to spot us. Well, hope to run into some of you ... Cheers! Mary-Kathryn [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:22:09 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers let's see.. i will answer the questions of mike's that i know about..mmm.. ::: 1] how many different sounds can you use on a 660 in a pattern? i believe that the 660 is nearly identikal to the 550. which would mean that you can use one set of pads worth. (is this tru mike?).. the R-8 however, you can use any sound you want.. and can freely change keypad assignments without altering the sounds already programmed in the pattern. sound ID data gets recorded with each note as well as the other info. so, if the 660 inherited THIS architecture...then it's a step up from the 550.. but, i'm not sure it did. basically, expect the 660 to be just like it's little brother, except with some new sounds and fx(? reverb/chorus??). 2] drum machine as sequencer? well, take a look at any hardware or software based sequencer and you'll see why drum machines as sequncers aren't as good. drum machines, at their best (R-8's) offer sequencing controls such as: input quantizing, step editing, bar length, overdubbing...that's about it. drum machines will not record incoming pitch bend, mod wheel or other controllers... they have no advanced quantizing features..no transposition or transpose mappings... not much in the way of cut,copy,paste,shift,merge, etcc... for chunks of data. NO WAY TO RECORD MORE THAN ONE MIDI CHANNEL WORTH OR DATA!!!!! (good sequencers will at least allow 32 or 64 midi channels) no graphic editing.. smpte reading/or writing is rare in drum machines (except the Korg S-3 and emu-sp series..) basically the list goes on and on and on... however, i just picked up a Korg S-3 which was marketted as a "rhythm workstation"... and was supposed to function as a sequncer as well as a drum machine and fx unit.. while it totally bombed as a sequencer it still offers many more features for song writing than a standard drum machine... it's sort of an eight .. an eighth of the way between a drum machine and a full fledged sequencer.. however, it is a realllllllly cool drum machine by itself.. (that's why i bought it...) phew.. 3] software vs. hardware sequencers... visual display is the biggest...plus, since hardware sequencers are becoming much less used, all the current coolness in sequencer technology is being devoted to software design.. the best hardware sequencers are the akai ASQ-10...the yamaha QX-3 isn't bad.. i was a devoted hardware seq. user.. until i got Performer for the mac... the features and ease of use are far superior to any hardware sequencer i have owned.. well.. i could answer more i guess.. but, i've babbled a lot. hope i've helped. happy hacking! >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:29:24 -0500 From: ah185@yfn.ysu.edu (Christopher L. Tumber) Subject: Subscribe subscribe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:22:27 EST > For instance remember way back when, when the song 'it takes two' came out - > with the "woo...yeah" (or whatever) sample. That was great...but then > so many other people came along and used the SAME sample...or even sampled > from the original song. Just a footnote: The "woo...yeah" sample is from the song "Think (About It)" by Lyn Collins, on the album James Brown's Funky People. If you find this album used somewhere for a good price, pick it up; it is full of great samples. Among others, "Think (About It)" has been the source of samples like: "woo...yeah": countless tracks since "It Takes Two" "you betta THINK": as used in Information Society's "Think" and most importantly, that Funky Drummer-like beat that is used in at least half of all techno songs. It's the beat that is used throughout "Quadrophonia": BOOM chah t- T- t-t- CHAHH 1 2 3 4 usually with a synthetic kick underneath it. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:32:56 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers another cool thing about the 909, which makes it very useful in techno.. is that i can help bridge the gap between MIDI and NON-MIDI instruments. same as the TR-707. i had to buy a 707 simply as a sync box between my 808 and MIDI system...(for $125 for a 707, ya can't go wrong).. i'm not sure what kind of external outputs the 909 offers..trigger outs, or 5pin sync out.. but, i'm sure it helps in some way to sync up those 303s and what not. with a single 707 i can control my 808 (thru the sync out) and the 808 in turn can run tigger outs to the SH-101 and jupiter-6. so, anyone looking for a cheap sync box (and some of the best hi-hats ever created)...look at the TR-707. rogue sells 'em for around $130. >>taylor.x0x [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:44 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: ftp problems and unsubscribes (no rave or techno content) Hi. If you're waiting to get off the list, or to get switched to the calendar-only list, please sit tight -- the subscribe proccess isn't automated, and John (our list administrator) has been running around job hunting and stuff and so hasn't been able to deal with recent administrative requests just yet. Also, if you tell your friends about the list, make sure you give them the administrative address for them to sign up with. Remember, that's the regular ne-raves address with -request added to it: ne-raves-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu (ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu works too, if that's all you can remember. The important thing is to get the -request after the ne-raves part.) Every month the ne-raves traffic gets digestified, and can be picked up from the ftp site at media-lab.mit.edu from the pub/ne-raves/back-issues directory. If you're having problems with ftp, the best thing to do is to talk to someone at your site. You see, each site has the potential for having it's own way of doing things, what with the different operating systems, different user shells, and different everything out there. *THEORETICALLY* everything should be just about the same, but in practice it doesn't seem to work that way . . . A few pointers, though: a) You can't get a directory. On my system I get a message saying (among other things) "not a plain file." So make sure what you are getting is really a file and not a directory. An easy way to see if something is a directory is to say "ls -l" . If the "rw-r--r" junk off to the left has a "d" in the very first column, then that thing is a directory. b) Some systems, when you try to do a "get", say something like "to what file" or "to local file" or "local file name". What your system wants here is the name you want to call the file you are getting when it finally is dumped onto *your* machine. c) FTP *does* have a help facility. Or at least, the ftp at my site does. If you type "help" or "?" you might get a list of all the commands your ftp uses. If you were to then type "help close" (for example), you would be given more detailed information on the "close" command. Some of this might be cryptic, so again, consulting someone at your site would probably be the best thing to do. Have fun, and try to RTFM (read the f___ manual) if you get stuck. A lot of schools have info sheets for learning how to use this stuff that you can pick up in the computer center -- well, the places I was at as an undergrad (3 schools in Pennsylvania) and the place I was at as a grad student (1 place in Texas) did at least. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:23:51 PST From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers > for years i used 808 samples and stuff.. and thought they were fine and perfect. > that is.. until i got an 808. after hearing the FEEL of this drum machine.. > not to mention the clarity of the sounds, i realized that all of my samples > just didn't come CLOSE to comparing.. Maybe you were using bad samples. Someone gave me a disk of 909 samples, and they sounded alright, but not stellar. Then one day I took a look at them in a sample editor. All of the samples were clipped (a lot), and they all had a millisecond or so of lead time before the sample actually started. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:38:09 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Journey to the warehouse.. Well people it looks as though I'm going to 'Great Rave' in Philly on Saturday. However this is sure to have an extremely high cheese factor - 100% extra sharp cheddar. Anyone wanna take me to Baltimore? anyone ? anyone? - Fluid :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:36:38 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers On 21 Jan 1993 TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > for years i used 808 samples and stuff.. and thought they were fine and perfect.that is.. until i got an 808. after hearing the FEEL of this drum machine.. > not to mention the clarity of the sounds, i realized that all of my samples > just didn't come CLOSE to comparing.. > > >>taylor...808. I realize what I'm about to say doesn't hold practical for the creative process, but if you were to produce a record which was to be played at a rave with an 808 as opposed to a sample, wouldn't the differences be blurred by the sound equipment? I mean massive sound systems are not exactly audiophile accurate. Could you tell while in a club/rave if the percussion is a sample or the real roland? -d.d [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:00:58 PST Subject: subscribe From: gregrich@microsoft.COM Please add me to your list... >>Dread-Eye [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) Subject: The Cheddar Great Rave [Philly, Sorry.] Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:32:33 EST Yeah, in an astounding act of odd cheesoramitude, the event has been moved from Haviland Hall to the TLA at 3rd & South. There will be a free shuttle. It is still $10. I'm peeved. Call (215)292-4666. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Tape trades... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 0:19:09 EST I was just thinking: Could we arrange for tape exchanges, or is this a no-no? I mean, i got some dj tapes (plus i do some myself) and i got some interesting stuff in the rave related music genres. What triggered this, is that i got DJ #78 (yeah i know it's last month zine,but we dont get them faster than that here...) and it has a free tape included (a megamix by UCR of m.k., ufi, tc1991 etc...) and is numbered DJ3 which means there has been a DJ1 and DJ2, and would like to have them, and i would also like to get some dj tapes from the UK and from the east coast. Let me know what you think... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: DR660 vs TR909 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 0:26:05 EST I don't have an 808 or a 909, but... since I got a DR-660 for Christmas, here is what I can tell you about it. If you are thinking about getting one, print this out and save it, because this is a far clearer and more detailed explanation than the instruction manual provides! (Has Roland ever printed an instruction manual in English that tells you everything you want to know in an understandable way?) There are 255 ROM-based samples in the DR-660, broken down as follows: 0- 50: kicks 51-122: snares 123-127: side sticks 128-166: toms 167-177: open and closed hi-hats 178-184: cymbals 185-190: bell-type sounds (tambourine, triangle, wood block...) 191-196: bongos and congas 197-209: latin percussion 210-220: misc old drum machine sounds 221-224: scratches 225-230: special sounds (hi-Q, snaps, hoo!, uut?...) 231-232: claps 233-236: shots 237-247: reverse sounds 248-252: reverbed sounds 253-254: bass sounds 255: The following TR-808 samples are included: 42: TR-808 kick 117: TR-808 snare 216: TR-808 conga 47: TR-808 acoustic kick 127: TR-808 side stick 217: TR-808 claves 48: TR-808 electronic kick 166: TR-808 tom 218: TR-808 maracas 49: TR-808 gate kick 174: TR-808 closed hi-hat 219: TR-808 handclap 175: TR-808 open hi-hat 220: TR-808 cowbell The following TR-909 samples are included: 43: TR-909 kick 118: TR-909 snare 50: TR-909 hard kick 121: TR-909 light snare 122: TR-909 ring snare A fair number of CR-78 samples are included as well. These are very cheezy sounds. I think the Silicon Teens had a CR-78. Now immediately you may ask, where are the other TR-909 samples? Apparently a couple of them are generic. The crash cymbals everybody uses are in the DR-660, as well as the handclaps (they are actually TR-808 handclaps). What is definitely missing is the TR-909 hi-hats. Their are two pairs of realistic hi-hat sounds (by pair I mean open and closed), one pair of brush hi-hat sounds, and one pair each of the very synthetic TR-808 and CR-78 hi-hat sounds. What do you do with all these sounds? Well, first you take all your favorite sounds and put them into a Drum Kit. There's room for 39 drum kits, though the first 7 cannot be overwritten and all but the last 7 come with unique kits already programmed in. Each drum kit is just a group of assignments of instrument numbers to pad numbers. There are 16 pads on the machine, but you actually have 55 pad numbers you can assign sounds to. You can only use one drum kit per pattern, so you are limited to 55 different sounds in a bar (pattern=~bar=~measure), but for most applications that is far more than enough! There is a "pad bank" button which allows you to pick between A, B, or A+B (A and B simultaneously). If you have it on A, you'll be able to play the first 16 sounds in the Drum Kit, on B, the second 16 sounds. The only way to play the last 23 sounds is through MIDI signals.* Thus if you have an external sequencer, you can have it tell the DR-660 to play any sound that's in the drum kit, regardless of whether it can be played with the buttons. There is more you can do with drum kits, but I'll get to that later. * I think you can program them manually, as well. There is a limitation on the sounds you can play. You can't have two sounds that are assigned to the same pad but on diffent banks play at the same time. Thus you can't trigger all 55 sounds in a drum kit at the same time. If you have the pad bank button set to A+B, then EVERY pad that is hit gets both the A sound (1-16) and the B sound (A+16) at the same time, and vice-versa. The MIDI-only sounds (33-55) are unaffected. But this limitation is not that big of a deal; you just have to be careful not to assign two sounds you know you are going to want to use at the same time to the same pad. You can't play more than 12 sounds at the same time. You can then write patterns, which have the following parameters: 1. drum kit to pull all the sounds from 2. quantization value (step intervals) (16th notes for most techno) 3. number of beats (quarter notes) per measure (1-80) 4. note information for each step, which is broken down into: a. pad number of the sound (1-55 or none) b. velocity of the sound (1-31 or none) There are 100 preset patterns and 150 programmable patterns. After you've got all the patterns you need, you write a song by stringing together the patterns. You can store up to 100 songs of 250 patterns each. Songs can be chained together such that up to 100 songs can be played successively. So I guess in theory you could make every pattern 80 beats per measure with 96 notes per beat (grabbing caculator...) and piece together a song that lasts for 80*96*100*250*100 = 19,200,000,000 notes. Divide by 96 and play it at the minimum speed of 20 beats per minute = just over 19 years. How about that. Okay, back to the drum kits. Within *each* drum kit you can change the parameters of the individual sounds you've assigned to the pad numbers. Not every sound can be changed, but most of them can. I don't fully understand the hardware but based on what I know about my GUS sampler card for my PC (thanks Francois), the samples are mostly patches. For example, when you hit a button to play crash cymbal 1, it actually plays that instrument's attack sample, then loops its sustain sample, fading it out at the end. Like I said, I don't fully understand it. Anyway, you can change the following parameters for each sound within each drum kit: 1. level (relative volume) (0-15) 2. pitch (speed the sample is played) (-2400 to +2400) 3. decay (how long it takes for the sustain to fade out) (-31 to +31) 4. nuance ("tone quality"*) (-7 to +7) 5. pan (where the instrument sounds) (L7-1, C, R1-7) (R7 is far right, etc) 6. assign type (whether or not it can be played at the same time as itself or another instrument) (see explanation) 7. sensitivity curve (how physical velocity translates to programmed velocity) (several different shapes) 8. reverb depth (0-9) 9. chorus depth (0-9) * Nuance in some sounds seems to affect how far into the attack portion the sample starts. You can't bypass the attack altogether, which really sucks, because you always get a click or "ch" at the beginning of all the kicks, snares, and hi-hats. In some sounds it affects how much bass the samples have. Hitting a cymbal with -7 nuance sounds like you're hitting the cup, whereas hitting it with +7 sounds like your hitting it at the edge, but it still sounds like you're hitting it with a fair amount of force, regardless of the level. I would love to just be able to twist a knob and soften an 808 booooom into an 808 oooooom, but I can't. But with the ability to change the pitch and decay, you can make some pretty impressive, deep, long booooms! You can set Assign Type for each instrument within each drum kit to: 1. Mono it can't sound at the same time as itself, meaning the first sample will stop playing if you hit the same pad before it's done 2. Poly it can sound at the same time as itself, overlapping. 3. Mono-Exc# it can't sound at the same time as itself, nor can it sound at the same time as any other instrument with the same -Exc# assignment. # is between 1 and 7. 4. Poly-Exc# it can sound at the same time as itself, but not at the same time as any other instrument with the same -Exc# assignment. Exc (exclude) assignments are meant to keep you from being able to play an open and closed hi-hat at the same time, or some other theoretically impossible combination. Of course in techno there's not much need for those kind of restrictions. Reverb and chorus depths are set for each individual instrument. When played, these depth values are multiplied (more or less) by the drum kit's reverb and chorus depths to get the overall special effects. Thus if either the drum kit's reverb or the individual sound's reverb are set to 0, you get no reverb on that instrument. Likewise, a reverb setting of 9 on the instrument yields a weak effect if the drum kit's reverb is set to 1 or 2. I'm not going to get out the calculator again to figure out how many different combinations of the settings yield how intense of an effect. The parameters for the reverb effects for an entire drum kit are as follows: 1. type (hall, room, plate, delay, pan-delay) 2. time (how long it goes on) (0-31) 3. pre low-pass filter (how much of the high frequencies are cut) (0-7) 4. delay feedback (how many repeats if type = delay or pan-delay) (0-15) The parameters for the chorus effects for an entire drum kit are as follows: 1. type (chorus, flanger) 2. depth (0-15) 3. rate (0-15) 4. feedback (0-15) 5. delay (0-31) It's hard to describe all these effects, but they are neat, believe me. There are also flam, roll, and swing timing parameters. Connectors: power (no battery except for memory) MIDI in, MIDI out headphones (1/8") individual out Left (1/4"), individual out Right (1/4") output Left/mono (1/4"), output Right (1/4") Buttons: they made it so each button has about 3 functions, depending on what you are doing. the main functions are: 16 instrument pads, chorus, reverb, drum kit, tempo, flam, roll, song/ptn, real/step, pad parameters, effect parameters, misc utilities, midi paramaters, copy ptn, delete ptn, pad bank, 0-9, up, down, left, right, forward, backward, reset, record, start, stop/exit, enter. Wheels: volume - not digital tempo/data - used in place of 0-9 and up/down when entering any kind of data Overall the unit is approximately 8" wide, 6" deep, 1" thick at the front and 1 1/2" thick at the back, and solid black with gray buttons. The display is a crappy little LCD thingy in one corner, designed to show you a fraction of the information you want to know at any time. Now to attempt to answer the questions Mike Perkowitz was asking: how many sounds can you use on a DR-660 in a pattern? Each pattern has its own drum kit, which can have 55 different sounds. If you mean "sounds" in terms of how many notes can be played in one measure, it depends on how you've set up the pattern's parameters, but for all practical purposes there is no limit. If you mean how many sounds can sound at once, 12. drum machine or sequencer? A software-based sequencer would be a godsend for me right now. I hate trying to program this thing. People like hardware-based sequencers because they are reliable when playing live. Personally I would prefer an sequencer on my PC for programming the DR-660 to an external hardware-based sequencer. My last choice would be doing what I am doing now, programming it by hand with its own ten-in-one display and 3-in-one buttons. I'd hate to try to use the drum machine as a sequencer for something else, too, though it could be done (listen to Speedy J's "Something For Your Mind"). cost for doing sequencing, sound playback, and sampling on various computers? I can tell you how much it's costing me. I have a 286 PC. I bought a GUS for it (please PLEASE *PLEASE* folks, stop saying "SoundBlaster"!!! The SoundBlaster is a piece of shite, intended as a game card, not a quality sampler for musicians!) last month for $135. Most of the software coming out for it requires the Windows MIDI extensions, which only work if you have a 386. So I will pay about $180 to upgrade to a low-end 386 motherboard. The GUS only comes with 256K RAM so to expand it to 1MB I have to spend another $40 on RAM chips. It samples in stereo at up to 44.1KHz, but only in 8 bits. The 16-bit add-on card will probably cost another $100 when it comes out, but I can wait for that. There is also going to be some 3-D sound software coming out for it that I'll probably want, who knows how much that will be. I will save myself some bucks and build my own MIDI interface for it, so that shouldn't cost too much. I can get some MIDI cables for free (no not for you guys though) so eventually I can hook up the DR-660, my Juno-106, and the GUS, run sequencing and sampling software on the PC (probably about $75-$100 a pop), and make some bad ass music. Overall I'd say the costs are still quite reasonable compared to the GUS's hardware equivalent, an EPS 16+, which runs over $2000 I believe. And that's just for the sampler. should I invest in a DR-660? I'm quite happy with it. Even though it has a lot of 808 and 909 samples, it doesn't reproduce the original boxes as well as it should, though it is a multipurpose machine, not built with techno artists in mind exclusively. And it is all digital, so you can't tweak the sounds with a twist of a knob or a slide of a lever, which would be nice to be able to do, believe me. But the sounds are tweakable enough that you can have a lot of fun with it. I'd say it's up to you. The 660 does things the 909 and 808 can't, and vice-versa. Mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sklar@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Dave Sklar) Subject: Re: Tape trades... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 1:24:38 EST > I was just thinking: > > Could we arrange for tape exchanges, or is this a no-no? > I mean, i got some dj tapes (plus i do some myself) and i got some interesting > stuff in the rave related music genres. I'd love to participate. I don't have much of a source for some cool music, but I'll mail out blank tapes. Unless this is somehow illegal. Hmmmm... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers Let the bass kick... On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Eric McCormick wrote: > >so here are my questions: > > > >(1) how many different sounds can you use in one pattern on a 660? > > I don't have a 660, but on my drum machine I believe you can use all of > the drum PADS at the same time. I have an Alesis HR-16, and you can set > each pad to be one of the sounds that are available. You can tune them > up or down, mix them left to right, control individual pad volume, etc. > > >(2) why or why not is it feasible to use a drum machine as a simple sequencer? > > i.e. what are the limitations? > > Drum machines' internal loop sequencers are usually adequate for making any > drum loops. I don't know which drum machines are capable of recording > other instruments and playing them back, though. I know there are some > machines that have great sequencers in them, but I couldn't tell you which > ones. Try the Emu SP-1200, and the Akai MPC-60. These both are very expensive units but they are sampling drum machines with built in sequencers. > >(3) i hear that there might be a rack-mount version of the 660 coming out > > (i.e. a sound module). how much do you think this or another nice > > drum sound module cost? and where can i get an 808 kit? TR808's are avilable at Rogue and Daddys Junky Music. > I've heard EXCELLENT things about the Alesis D4 module, and I believe you can > get it new for around $400. It also has a nice feature of being able to > act as a controller for MIDI pads/drums, so you can use it with triggers like > DrumKats, Octapads, and those cool PVC pipe drum triggers. Stay away from this machine if you are doing techno. I had an Alesis SR-16 (the same sounds that are in the D4 Unit) and I found the sounds barely usable. AND there is no way to add other sounds via MIDI or sound cards. A much better machine to consider would be the R-8m by Roland which features the sounds of the R8 and accepts two sound cards. In your case you would more than likely want the Electronic (TR-808) and the Dance (TR-909, TB-303) cards. This is a rack mount unit. Beware, the samples don't compare to the original machines since you cant alter the sounds in the same way. C'est la vie. > >(4) what are the relative merits of software and hardware sequencers? > i.e. running on a computer vs. buying some kind of dedicated box > > Hardware sequencers do the job, but editing can sometimes be a real pain. > I personally prefer being able to see the whole drum pattern on a computer > screen (I use a Mac) and be able to just point at and move/delete the > information that way. Also, computer-based sequencers usually have lots > more frills like humanization, etc. True but there is one think to add here. One of the wonders of MIDI is that you can transfer sequences made on a Computer Sequencer to a hardware sequencer that maybe built into the synth or sampler workstation. This alows you more flexabilty. I think anyone considering live PA's should invest in a hardware sequencer as most people can't stand the idea of taking their computer on the road. > >(5) given that i prefer programming simple melodies and basslines on > > my synth, what would be the best way to get this stuff into my > > music? a rack-mount synth? how do i get different voices simultaneously? > > (i.e. how do i get a bassline and a melody in different voices at > > the same time, all controlled by a sequencer) > > Most MIDI controlled synths can be set to respond to a certain MIDI > "channel" (1-16). Just record the part you want into the sequencer on a > particular channel, and when the sequencer plays the music back, only that > sequencer will respond. (But make sure there are no other keyboards in > your loop set to the same channel or they will play, too). > > All of the newer (1987+?) keyboards respond to all MIDI channels, and many > can play a different voice (patch) on each channel simultaneously. > > >(5) how much does it cost to do the following things on various computer > > platforms (ibm-compatible, mac, NeXT), what are the pros and cons of > > doing it this waym and what sort of hardware requirements are there > > (RAM, HD, additional boards)? > > (1) sequencing > > (2) sound playback (pre-recorded sounds - using the computer as a sound > > module) > > (3) sampling (recording to hard disk for playback) > > I cannot speak for the NeXT, but I can for the Mac and PC. MOST of this > totally depends on your budget. There are boards and systems from $50 all > the way up to $50,000 depending on hard disks, digital channels needed, > etc. > > For the PC, you can get an MPU/401 compatible interface for $75 and a > program like Cakewalk Pro for $150 and I think you'd be really happy with > it for a first system. On the Mac, you can get interfaces for around $75 > also and programs go from $100 to about $795. > > Mostly only the higher-end packages allow sample playback with the normal > sequencing, and you need some sort of hardware board to put into your > computer ($250 on up). Some do 2 channels, some 4, and some are entire > racks of interfaces and hard disks allowing you to control many digital > channels of sound. > > A simple sampling board for a PC would be something like SoundBlaster. > There are both 8 and 16 bit versions available, for around $150-$300. They > include software. > > I could go on, but I won't unless you require more information. > > >(6) would it make sense to think about investing in a 660 or something similar > > now (i have a korg poly-800 and a DR-550 that i'd try to sell) and > > perhaps plan on using it as a sound module when i get a real sequencer? > > If you like the sounds and feel comfortable programming it, I'd say go for > it. If it is fully MIDI capable (I'm sorry I don't know the specs on this > machine at all) then you'll be able to use it for years to come. All 1988- Drum Machines are fully MIDI compatible > _________________________________________________________________________ > /^ ^\ > (=============================================================================) > | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > (=============================================================================) > > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:40:28 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Stakker Humanoid Let the bass kick... On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, pccmoddan@aol.com wrote: > How right you are man! The first time I heard Humanoid was on a Commodore 64 > demo that two fellows from England, Ash & Dave, had worked up with a homemade > sampler. It blew my mind then and it still does. You too!!! I have that same demo on my C-64. Hehe, that turned me onto techno. > -pccmoddan@aol.com > > Maelcum [KLF] - GOP/DK - Shaggy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:46:05 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Let the bass kick... On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Pete Ashdown wrote: > > so what makes a tr-909 at ~ $450 (used) better than, say, a dr-660, which > > has 808 and 909 sounds in it, at ~ $400 (new)? anything besides being able > > to say "i have a 909"? anyone want to describe a 909 to us? > > The 909 has analog tuning, which in my book isn't that big of a deal. On the > bass, with the 303, it IS, but with a drum machine, I'd just rather go with > the bestest and the latest. I'm sorry but I bought one of the "best and latest" an Alesis SR-16. I sold it before the year was out I believe the TR-909 had some form of analog filters. All the shit drum machines now are just sample playback machines. The exception beintthe Kawai XD-5 which is a drum SYNTH. The older machines are better because as I said, the sounds were stronger and you had more control over an individual sound than you do now on most units. The same goes for analog synths versus the "best and latest" synths. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: while we're on the subject of synths.... I have an EPS. Mind telling me how I can get the EPS mailing list? Let the bass kick... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:56:07 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Let the bass kick... On xxx, 21 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > > 808/909 vs. samples of 808/909: > > i can't speak for a 909, since i don't have one.. but this might carry over > to it anyway: > > for years i used 808 samples and stuff.. and thought they were fine and perfect.that is.. until i got an 808. after hearing the FEEL of this drum machine.. > not to mention the clarity of the sounds, i realized that all of my samples > just didn't come CLOSE to comparing.. Here Here! Exactly. I have been restating this for everyone several times. Finally some corroboration. > the 808 and 909 are famous not only for their sounds, but for the feel of > their internal clocks and sequencers. very tight and robotik. however, > buying an insturment like a roland R-8 is a little more practical.. because > you have access to 808 and 909 sounds (tho not at the same time) and a lot of > editing (not to mention MIDI, which 808's don't have)...and, it is cheaper to > buy and R8 (under $500 used) than an 808 and 909 (nearly $1000 used, together). > > nothing will beat the sound and feel of the true machines...but, if can't have > access to them, the R-8 is the best thing i've heard so far. > > >>taylor...808. Taylor you are right. The 808 kit in my Roland RA-90 Realtime Arranger sounds close to the original but you can still tell the difference. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:15:35 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers Let the bass kick... On xxx, 21 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > let's see.. i will answer the questions of mike's that i know about..mmm.. > > ::: > > 1] how many different sounds can you use on a 660 in a pattern? i believe > that the 660 is nearly identikal to the 550. which would mean that you can > use one set of pads worth. (is this tru mike?).. the R-8 however, you can use > any sound you want.. and can freely change keypad assignments without altering > the sounds already programmed in the pattern. sound ID data gets recorded > with each note as well as the other info. so, if the 660 inherited THIS > architecture...then it's a step up from the 550.. but, i'm not sure it did. > basically, expect the 660 to be just like it's little brother, except with some > new sounds and fx(? reverb/chorus??). > > 2] drum machine as sequencer? well, take a look at any hardware or software > based sequencer and you'll see why drum machines as sequncers aren't as good. > drum machines, at their best (R-8's) offer sequencing controls such as: > > input quantizing, step editing, bar length, overdubbing...that's about it. > > drum machines will not record incoming pitch bend, mod wheel or other controllers... > they have no advanced quantizing features..no transposition or transpose mappings... > not much in the way of cut,copy,paste,shift,merge, etcc... for chunks of data. > > NO WAY TO RECORD MORE THAN ONE MIDI CHANNEL WORTH OR DATA!!!!! > (good sequencers will at least allow 32 or 64 midi channels) Biiiinnnt! First mistake. There are only 16 Midi channels. If you meant tracks I can see where that might be true. However my EPS has 16 track/16 channel sequencer that is just fine. > smpte reading/or writing is rare in drum machines (except the Korg S-3 and > emu-sp series..) Who needs smpte, I have been trying to figure this out. I thought only people who wrote film scores and such needed smpte. Correct me he if I'm wrong. > however, i just picked up a Korg S-3 which was marketted as a "rhythm workstation"... > and was supposed to function as a sequncer as well as a drum machine and fx > unit.. while it totally bombed as a sequencer it still offers many more > features for song writing than a standard drum machine... it's sort of an eight > .. an eighth of the way between a drum machine and a full fledged sequencer.. > however, it is a realllllllly cool drum machine by itself.. (that's why i > bought it...) > > phew.. > > 3] software vs. hardware sequencers... visual display is the biggest...plus, > since hardware sequencers are becoming much less used, all the current coolness > in sequencer technology is being devoted to software design.. Exception being the Roland hardware sequencers, they are somewhat like in betweens of a hardware and software sequencer, they are dedicate units that load software. Also most workstation sequencers do the same thing.. > the best hardware sequencers are the akai ASQ-10...the yamaha QX-3 isn't bad.. Nor is the Roland MC-50 or MC-500mkII. or Akai MPC-60 (Mother of all seqs.) i was a devoted hardware seq. user.. until i got Performer for the mac... > the features and ease of use are far superior to any hardware sequencer i have > owned > well.. i could answer more i guess.. but, i've babbled a lot. hope i've > helped. Well I have to get a better computer I see, I have Master Tracks for the C-64 but its sluggish and unreliable timing wise.Only 8 tracks also. My internal EPS sequencer is better than that. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Let the bass kick... On xxx, 21 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > > another cool thing about the 909, which makes it very useful in techno.. is > that i can help bridge the gap between MIDI and NON-MIDI instruments. > > same as the TR-707. i had to buy a 707 simply as a sync box between my 808 > and MIDI system...(for $125 for a 707, ya can't go wrong).. i'm not sure > what kind of external outputs the 909 offers..trigger outs, or 5pin sync out.. > but, i'm sure it helps in some way to sync up those 303s and what not. Yep! > with a single 707 i can control my 808 (thru the sync out) and the 808 in turn > can run tigger outs to the SH-101 and jupiter-6. Correct again! > so, anyone looking for a cheap sync box (and some of the best hi-hats ever > created)...look at the TR-707. rogue sells 'em for around $130. Oops, thanks to you the price just went up! > >>taylor.x0x [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:20:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Let the bass kick... On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Mike J. Brown wrote: > > For instance remember way back when, when the song 'it takes two' came out - > > with the "woo...yeah" (or whatever) sample. That was great...but then > > so many other people came along and used the SAME sample...or even sampled > > from the original song. > > Just a footnote: > The "woo...yeah" sample is from the song "Think (About It)" by Lyn Collins, > on the album James Brown's Funky People. If you find this album used > somewhere for a good price, pick it up; it is full of great samples. Man I'm glad you told me this. I will have to hunt down a copy. > Among others, "Think (About It)" has been the source of samples like: > "woo...yeah": countless tracks since "It Takes Two" > "you betta THINK": as used in Information Society's "Think" > and most importantly, that Funky Drummer-like beat that is used in at least > half of all techno songs. It's the beat that is used throughout > "Quadrophonia": BOOM chah t- T- t-t- CHAHH > 1 2 3 4 > usually with a synthetic kick underneath it. > Mike Brown > _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:32:17 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Let the bass kick... On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Digital Druid wrote: > > > On 21 Jan 1993 TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > > for years i used 808 samples and stuff.. and thought they were fine and perfect.that is.. until i got an 808. after hearing the FEEL of this drum machine.. > > not to mention the clarity of the sounds, i realized that all of my samples > > just didn't come CLOSE to comparing.. > > > > >>taylor...808. > > I realize what I'm about to say doesn't hold practical for the creative > process, but if you were to produce a record which was to be played at a > rave with an 808 as opposed to a sample, wouldn't the differences be > blurred by the sound equipment? I mean massive sound systems are not > exactly audiophile accurate. Could you tell while in a club/rave if the > percussion is a sample or the real roland? > > -d.d Possibly to your average listener but a good ear can tell. The samples don't have the same punch or snappyness to them and I can usually tell when a sample is being used as a percussion instrument. Raver909 (with the super ears) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Let the bass kick... On xxx, 21 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > > another cool thing about the 909, which makes it very useful in techno.. is > that i can help bridge the gap between MIDI and NON-MIDI instruments. > > same as the TR-707. i had to buy a 707 simply as a sync box between my 808 > and MIDI system...(for $125 for a 707, ya can't go wrong).. i'm not sure > what kind of external outputs the 909 offers..trigger outs, or 5pin sync out.. > but, i'm sure it helps in some way to sync up those 303s and what not. Yep! > with a single 707 i can control my 808 (thru the sync out) and the 808 in turn > can run tigger outs to the SH-101 and jupiter-6. Correct again! > so, anyone looking for a cheap sync box (and some of the best hi-hats ever > created)...look at the TR-707. rogue sells 'em for around $130. Oops, thanks to you the price just went up! > >>taylor.x0x [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:32:17 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Let the bass kick... On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Digital Druid wrote: > > > On 21 Jan 1993 TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > > for years i used 808 samples and stuff.. and thought they were fine and perfect.that is.. until i got an 808. after hearing the FEEL of this drum machine.. > > not to mention the clarity of the sounds, i realized that all of my samples > > just didn't come CLOSE to comparing.. > > > > >>taylor...808. > > I realize what I'm about to say doesn't hold practical for the creative > process, but if you were to produce a record which was to be played at a > rave with an 808 as opposed to a sample, wouldn't the differences be > blurred by the sound equipment? I mean massive sound systems are not > exactly audiophile accurate. Could you tell while in a club/rave if the > percussion is a sample or the real roland? > > -d.d Possibly to your average listener but a good ear can tell. The samples don't have the same punch or snappyness to them and I can usually tell when a sample is being used as a percussion instrument. Raver909 (with the super ears) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:20:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Make Sampling Legal... Let the bass kick... On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, Mike J. Brown wrote: > > For instance remember way back when, when the song 'it takes two' came out - > > with the "woo...yeah" (or whatever) sample. That was great...but then > > so many other people came along and used the SAME sample...or even sampled > > from the original song. > > Just a footnote: > The "woo...yeah" sample is from the song "Think (About It)" by Lyn Collins, > on the album James Brown's Funky People. If you find this album used > somewhere for a good price, pick it up; it is full of great samples. Man I'm glad you told me this. I will have to hunt down a copy. > Among others, "Think (About It)" has been the source of samples like: > "woo...yeah": countless tracks since "It Takes Two" > "you betta THINK": as used in Information Society's "Think" > and most importantly, that Funky Drummer-like beat that is used in at least > half of all techno songs. It's the beat that is used throughout > "Quadrophonia": BOOM chah t- T- t-t- CHAHH > 1 2 3 4 > usually with a synthetic kick underneath it. > Mike Brown > _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:15:35 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers Let the bass kick... On xxx, 21 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > let's see.. i will answer the questions of mike's that i know about..mmm.. > > ::: > > 1] how many different sounds can you use on a 660 in a pattern? i believe > that the 660 is nearly identikal to the 550. which would mean that you can > use one set of pads worth. (is this tru mike?).. the R-8 however, you can use > any sound you want.. and can freely change keypad assignments without altering > the sounds already programmed in the pattern. sound ID data gets recorded > with each note as well as the other info. so, if the 660 inherited THIS > architecture...then it's a step up from the 550.. but, i'm not sure it did. > basically, expect the 660 to be just like it's little brother, except with some > new sounds and fx(? reverb/chorus??). > > 2] drum machine as sequencer? well, take a look at any hardware or software > based sequencer and you'll see why drum machines as sequncers aren't as good. > drum machines, at their best (R-8's) offer sequencing controls such as: > > input quantizing, step editing, bar length, overdubbing...that's about it. > > drum machines will not record incoming pitch bend, mod wheel or other controllers... > they have no advanced quantizing features..no transposition or transpose mappings... > not much in the way of cut,copy,paste,shift,merge, etcc... for chunks of data. > > NO WAY TO RECORD MORE THAN ONE MIDI CHANNEL WORTH OR DATA!!!!! > (good sequencers will at least allow 32 or 64 midi channels) Biiiinnnt! First mistake. There are only 16 Midi channels. If you meant tracks I can see where that might be true. However my EPS has 16 track/16 channel sequencer that is just fine. > smpte reading/or writing is rare in drum machines (except the Korg S-3 and > emu-sp series..) Who needs smpte, I have been trying to figure this out. I thought only people who wrote film scores and such needed smpte. Correct me he if I'm wrong. > however, i just picked up a Korg S-3 which was marketted as a "rhythm workstation"... > and was supposed to function as a sequncer as well as a drum machine and fx > unit.. while it totally bombed as a sequencer it still offers many more > features for song writing than a standard drum machine... it's sort of an eight > .. an eighth of the way between a drum machine and a full fledged sequencer.. > however, it is a realllllllly cool drum machine by itself.. (that's why i > bought it...) > > phew.. > > 3] software vs. hardware sequencers... visual display is the biggest...plus, > since hardware sequencers are becoming much less used, all the current coolness > in sequencer technology is being devoted to software design.. Exception being the Roland hardware sequencers, they are somewhat like in betweens of a hardware and software sequencer, they are dedicate units that load software. Also most workstation sequencers do the same thing.. > the best hardware sequencers are the akai ASQ-10...the yamaha QX-3 isn't bad.. Nor is the Roland MC-50 or MC-500mkII. or Akai MPC-60 (Mother of all seqs.) i was a devoted hardware seq. user.. until i got Performer for the mac... > the features and ease of use are far superior to any hardware sequencer i have > owned > well.. i could answer more i guess.. but, i've babbled a lot. hope i've > helped. Well I have to get a better computer I see, I have Master Tracks for the C-64 but its sluggish and unreliable timing wise.Only 8 tracks also. My internal EPS sequencer is better than that. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:00 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers >Biiiinnnt! First mistake. There are only 16 Midi channels. If you meant >tracks I can see where that might be true. However my EPS has 16 track/16 >channel sequencer that is just fine. No, Taylor is right. You can use interfaces for the Mac that give you 32 channels or more by controlling seperate MIDI loops. 16 on each loop. >> smpte reading/or writing is rare in drum machines (except the Korg S-3 and >> emu-sp series..) >Who needs smpte, I have been trying to figure this out. I thought only >people who wrote film scores and such needed smpte. Correct me he if I'm >wrong. Well, SMPTE was created for Video, not Audio, really. Anyone who has a need to sync Audio with Video will most likely use SMPTE. And if you ever make a music video to your song, SMPTE can help you lock up shots of vocals or instrument playing. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:43:06 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Rave Crusader: > >DD> rave with an 808 as opposed to a sample, wouldn't the differences be >DD> blurred by the sound equipment? I mean massive sound systems are not >DD> exactly audiophile accurate. Could you tell while in a club/rave if the >DD> percussion is a sample or the real roland? > > Possibly to your average listener but a good ear can tell. The samples > don't have the same punch or snappyness to them and I can usually tell > when a sample is being used as a percussion instrument. Maybe the samples you heard were not very good? And what is the big deal with "i want a 909" (or a 808)? I mean isn't this limiting creativity a lot? I create percussions with Csound and enhance them with digital equalization and filtering if need be, convert that to a Gravis Ultrasound patch, and jam! In that process i have not sampled a 808 or 909 but i can get some phat/ooming/ booming/massive thumping/overkill destruction percussive sounds. BTW, on the gravis, i can load around 50 percs on the card with no problems, and i can use it with any sequencer (up to 1000 bpq with winjammer), have 32 pannable simultaneous sounds etc... In this case lastest=bestest. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: the HOM, ladies and gentlemen... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:50:52 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) *************************** ** Hookup-O-Matic ** ** for weekend of ** ** Fri. 1/22 & Sat. 1/23 ** *************************** sorry for the lateness of this weeks HOM, raverz, but i had to work last night, and when I got off, I was feeling much too sick to come back to the cluster. of course, as every friday, anyone is welcome to drop by my place before RISE (yes, I'm going, I wouldn't miss it if I had just had open-heart sugery (: ), at 410 Memorial Drive #341C, MIT, Cambridge, MA. Ph.#: 617/225-8317 Also: WE WANT EVERYONE TO MAKE IT UP HERE FOR THE NE-RAVES CYBERTRIBE GATHERING FOR PRE-WONDERLAND. THIS MEANS YOU. IN AN ATTEMPT TO COORDINATE THIS GATHERING, PLEASE LET ME HAVE YOUR TRAVEL PLANS BY NEXT WEDNESDAY. I WILL POST AN EARLY VERSION OF THE H.O.M. THEN. -trying his darndest, SHALAKO :) NAME E-MAIL OTHER INFO ============================================================================= The Loft 21 Association presents RISE Fri. 1/22 ----------------------------------------- Donato A. Miranda damir@wpi.wpi.edu Look for: those dancing hands of joy! Grey Fresh Jive ski hat, glasses, smile of absolute bliss... Jesse Brook McCune mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU SHALAKO sscoen@athena.mit.edu Look for me in front of the speaker on the 3rd floor. Brown overalls, natural-colored 26 RED long-sleeve T. Laminated ne-raves sticker around my neck. Dave McMahon djm@bedford.progress.com Tall, blonde, big grin. :) ============================================================================= MATRIX Fri. 1/22 ----------------------------------------- Eric McCormick 0004775674@mcimail.com ============================================================================= DEEP Sat. 1/23 ------------------------------------------ Mary-Kathryn Whitney LIB2%UNB.CA@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca A caravan of canadians (and 4 ne-raverz) is scheduled to be there, no other info. Donato A. Miranda damir@wpi.wpi.edu Look for: those dancing hands of joy! Grey Fresh Jive ski hat, glasses, smile of absolute bliss... SHALAKO sscoen@athena.mit.edu Look for me in front of the speakers, wherever that is... laminated ne-raves sticker around my neck... Donato and I are traveling from Boston on saturday. Dave McMahon djm@bedford.progress.com ============================================================================== Modern Music Presents TRIPOTRONIC- JOURNEY TO THE WAREHOUSE Sat. 1/23 ----------------------------------------- Kenny Eng ke0w+@andrew.cmu.edu Coming from Pittsburgh. Look for: black and white striped stocking cap, baggy blue jeans, possibly a navy polyester jacket, green bag. Eric McCormick 0004775674@mcimail.com Look for: ne-raves badge, probably blue-jeans and a black leather jacket, or a quilted dark taupe jacket. And a black leather backpack and a cap of some kind. RIDES DESPERATELY NEEDED: ----------------------------------------- Fluid brit@bach.udel.edu (Alan Michael Parry) Of course, our brother raver down at the University of Delaware needs a ride. If he can't get one he might be forced to go to the "100% extra sharp cheddar" cheese-factor GREAT-RAVE. Please help him out if you can... ============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 11:53:27 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Rave Crusader: > > I'm sorry but I bought one of the "best and latest" an Alesis SR-16. I > sold it before the year was out I believe the TR-909 had some form of > analog filters. All the shit drum machines now are just sample playback > machines. The exception beintthe Kawai XD-5 which is a drum SYNTH. The > older machines are better because as I said, the sounds were stronger and > you had more control over an individual sound than you do now on most > units. The same goes for analog synths versus the "best and latest" synths. Absolutely not: the latest and bestest permits you to put the sample you want: be it synthesised with a soft-synthesiser or sampled. You can have all the sounds that you can hear and more. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:57:38 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Let the bass kick... On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Francois Dion wrote: > Beyond the ultraworld of Rave Crusader: > > > >DD> rave with an 808 as opposed to a sample, wouldn't the differences be > >DD> blurred by the sound equipment? I mean massive sound systems are not > >DD> exactly audiophile accurate. Could you tell while in a club/rave if the > >DD> percussion is a sample or the real roland? > > > > Possibly to your average listener but a good ear can tell. The samples > > don't have the same punch or snappyness to them and I can usually tell > > when a sample is being used as a percussion instrument. > > Maybe the samples you heard were not very good? And what is the big deal > with "i want a 909" (or a 808)? I mean isn't this limiting creativity a lot? > I create percussions with Csound and enhance them with digital equalization > and filtering if need be, convert that to a Gravis Ultrasound patch, and jam! Sounds good to me. I can't argue with you if it work. > In that process i have not sampled a 808 or 909 but i can get some phat/ooming/ > booming/massive thumping/overkill destruction percussive sounds. Once again, good, I still however like my 909. > BTW, on the gravis, i can load around 50 percs on the card with no problems, > and i can use it with any sequencer (up to 1000 bpq with winjammer), have > 32 pannable simultaneous sounds etc... In this case lastest=bestest. Excuse me but I never heard of Csound or a Gravis. Can you tell me more about them via E-mail? > -- > Francois Dion > ' _ _ _ > CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA > (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... > > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Stakker Humanoid Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 10:02:09 MST Rave Crusader writes (again): > Let the bass kick... Then quotes an entire message: > > > On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, pccmoddan@aol.com wrote: > > > How right you are man! The first time I heard Humanoid was on a Commodore 64 > > demo that two fellows from England, Ash & Dave, had worked up with a homemade > > sampler. It blew my mind then and it still does. Then writes: > You too!!! I have that same demo on my C-64. Hehe, that turned me onto techno. Then quotes: > > > -pccmoddan@aol.com > > > > Maelcum [KLF] - GOP/DK - Shaggy I don't mean to be especially rude or anything, but at least trim down your quoted messages to the gist. In the ten or so messages you sent today, your comments are buried inside of large amounts of other people's messages. Besides being a bandwidth waste, it doesn't communicate your point very well. Thanks. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers 909>All the shit drum machines now are just sample playback machines. The exception beintthe Kawai XD-5 which is a drum SYNTH. i have an XD-5 and it is the SHIT. i love it. far better than the procussion, D4..or anything like that. 256 waveforms..plenty of psuedo-808 sounds.. and full programmability.... there's a kick wave called "sub woofer" which you can make decay infinitely if you want...give that a ong decay.. add a little RESONANCE (how's that for a drum machine?) sweep.. and you get one hell of a funky kick. i highly recommend the XD-5. mine was $300 new. they're being massively discounted. john (jna) bought one too. >>taylo.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers 909>Biiiinnnt! First mistake. There are only 16 Midi channels. not if you're running 4 sets of 16 INDEPENDANTLY! :) >>taylor [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers >Who needs smpte, I have been trying to figure this out. I thought only people who wrote film scores and such needed smpte. Correct me he if I'm wrong. ::::: i use SMPTE for a better version of FSK (it allows to you start from any point within the tape.. and lock up instantly..unlike FSk where you have to start from the beginning..) i use it to put long vocal samples on tape.. or vocals.. and sync back up to the MIDI system...people think that have some massive sampler with mega ram.. it's nice to be able to put speeches.. intro sounds...or, as john and i are gonna do.. 3 303 tracks on tape.. FAT!!!!!! and then to sync it back up.. SMPTE is quite helpful! >>taylor [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:52:43 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: more than 16 midi channels. it's rather common in today's world of zillion sound multi-timbral synths to have sequencers run independant MIDI output jacks in the back. in fact, it is almost becoming standard. the akaasq-10/mpc-60 started doing 4 independant outs with version 2 of their software...allowing for 4X16 = 64 midi channels of control. mark of the unicorn's MIDI TIME PIECE has 8(!) midi outs.. allowing for 128 midi channels.. these units can be LINKED.. 4 together.. for a total of 512 midi channels!!! zowie. i have the jl cooper sync link for my mac. it has 2 outs.. and can run 32 midi channels..you may think that this is more than enough.. but, it's not.. once you have the option of having every little sound in your song on a separate midi channel..it's hard to live without. this allows you greater control (via controllers, pitch bends..etc..) since controller data is channel specific.. it allows you, for example, to put the same sound on two different midi channels.. doing the same thing..one of them transposed up an octave.. and the transposed one having pitch bend on it.. while not affecting the other channel.. if you put the sounds on the same channel there would be no way to pitch bend just PART of it.. while not effecting the WHOLE. so, to specifically address raver909's response.. no, simply speaking, there are only 16 midi channels.. true.. however, with individual, independant midi out jacks.. one can control separate banks of 16.. thus allowing for channels 1-16A, 1-16B, 1-16C, etc... >.taylor.808.trance.state [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Computers and Music Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:03:38 EST Ok, i'm getting email at an accelerated rate so i will be more explicit: I have a 386-33 with lots of ram (8), hd, a cdrom etc... What i added to make music: Software -------- -Windows 3.1 (helps putting it all together and of course is needed for the multimedia extension). You will need a 386, for speed sakes and also for the fact that the Gravis driver needs 386 instructions. -As a sequencer, i am eagerly waiting that Cakewalk get fixed and use the multimedia extensions correctly. Next month Midisoft recording studio and Powerchordz for windows will be included with the Gravis Ultrasound. For now, i'm using winjammer. -Csound (i compiled it for ibm compats. It comes in source form for Unix boxes) which is a soft synthesiser and sequencer. You can make songs with it, but it is not real time. It save all the mix in a n-channel/ x bits/ z Khz etc... audio file with or without header. You can add your own functions or use whats in there. You can emulate DX-21 sounds for example (which is 6 operator FM synthesis), you can emulate an HS-60 as another example (which is a Roland analog synth) etc... The only difference between the original and the soft- synth, is that the soft-synth is perfect (it doesn't have the defaults of a real synth) so it might sound a little different, but even that, you can emulate (noise, offset etc...). You can find it on cecelia.media-lab.mit.edu in Unix source form. You'll also find the user guide and examples (be sure you have 10 meg to spare on your HD) and configuration files. The user file is in Mac Word. There is an executable for IBM (if you're not into compiling) compatibles on a UK site (i have to find in my archives where). -Sox which is a sound converter from 1 format to another. -Wave for windows from TurtleBeach which permits a lot of sample manipulations like FFT, equalisation, filtering, echo etc... There is another software from them which is better suited, but i got wave since i can also do remix of songs with that. -Wav2pat which converts a wave form to a gravis patch -Patched which is a patch editor i have done (it's not finished yet) Hardware -------- -386 computer with a VGA monitor and at least 80 meg of HD (i have 300 and it's not enough for me) -Gravis Ultrasound board which has an Ensoniq DOC-II chip, can sample at 44KHz 8 bit as standard, and 48KHz 16 bit with an option board. Playback at 16 bit 44KHz thru DAC but as i understand from the registers, it can output more. Like 48KHz for DAT). It has 32 pannable channels of wavetable synthesis (sample playback, with attack, sustain, release, 6 point enveloppe, loop points, fwd, back and combinations of loop styles, AM, FM, LFO etc... It can also playback digital audio while playing wavetable synthesis. It can also record and playback simultaneously, and samples can be loaded on the card (256Kb standard, 1meg with 6x 44256 chips) dynamically. The card has a > 85dB S/N ratio and a 96dB dynamic range. -midi cable box. I made one with some connectors, buffers, an opto isolator and some resistors. It will also be available in two months from Gravis, but you can use a sound blaster cable and change the opto-isolator to a 6N138 if you dont want to build it. I also have a Roland HS-60 and an EPS-16+ (an analog synth and a wavetable synth) but any midi controller is ok to enter your music. Of course a real analog synth has the advantage of beeing usable as a midi controller and an instrument, leaving the GUS to do percussions, bassline and other sounds, while the ram-gobbling long analog sweeps are done on the synth. If you are really short on cash, you can even skip the keyboard, but you'll have to get a notation software. So, the cost: Windows 3.1: most of the time bundled with the computer, 69$ otherwise (i think) Sequencer: Midisoft&Powerchordz included with Gravis Ultrasound or 349$ Cakewalk or 50$ for winjammer (shareware). Csound: free Sox: free Wave: 100$ CDN Wav2pat: free Patched: not yet released, but almost free (shareware) 386 computer: you know better than me how much it's worth in the US. Gravis Ultrasound: 135$ US 16 bit sampling option board: 100$ US Midi cable box: 49$ or <10$ if you do it Synth: from 100$ to sky is the limit Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:08:54 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On xxx, 22 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > 909>All the shit drum machines now are just sample playback > machines. The exception beintthe Kawai XD-5 which is a drum SYNTH. > > > i have an XD-5 and it is the SHIT. i love it. far better than the procussion, > D4..or anything like that. 256 waveforms..plenty of psuedo-808 sounds.. > and full programmability.... there's a kick wave called "sub woofer" which > you can make decay infinitely if you want...give that a ong decay.. add a > little RESONANCE (how's that for a drum machine?) sweep.. and you get one > hell of a funky kick. > > i highly recommend the XD-5. mine was $300 new. they're being massively > discounted. > > john (jna) bought one too. > > >>taylo.808 Yeah that would be the machine to get. Heck a good sampler, an XD-5 and a Waldorf Microwave would be the way to go. :) How low are the XD5s going for? I see here that they have filter cutoffs and DCFs as well as ADSR envelopes. Neat. The price is the sticker for me however. I guess I'll have to get by with my $250 Tr-909 for awhile longer. :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On xxx, 22 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > > 909>Biiiinnnt! First mistake. There are only 16 Midi channels. > > > > not if you're running 4 sets of 16 INDEPENDANTLY! > Yeah Yeah, I know... Of course this wont do you muuch good if you were going to dump your software sequencer files into a hardware sequencer since its a software trick that gives you those other channels on another MIDI out. Anything not on the first 16 channel would get lost. Personally I think we outta stop this thread because it is starting to have little to do with raves and more to do with synth technology. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:22:58 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On xxx, 22 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > > > >Who needs smpte, I have been trying to figure this out. I thought only > people who wrote film scores and such needed smpte. Correct me he if I'm > wrong. > > > > ::::: > > i use SMPTE for a better version of FSK (it allows to you start from any > point within the tape.. and lock up instantly..unlike FSk where you have to > start from the beginning..) > > i use it to put long vocal samples on tape.. or vocals.. and sync back up to > the MIDI system...people think that have some massive sampler with mega ram.. > > it's nice to be able to put speeches.. intro sounds...or, as john and i are > gonna do.. 3 303 tracks on tape.. FAT!!!!!! and then to sync it back up.. Aye Carumba! I NEED SMPTE. Oh, the tricks I could do!!! Thanks!!! > SMPTE is quite helpful! > > >>taylor [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:29:10 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Rave Crusader wrote: > Yeah that would be the machine to get. Heck a good sampler, an XD-5 and a > Waldorf Microwave would be the way to go. :) > How low are the XD5s going for? I see here that they have filter cutoffs > and DCFs as well as ADSR envelopes. Neat. > The price is the sticker for me however. I guess I'll have to get by with > my $250 Tr-909 for awhile longer. :) (1) the used price list from the net says: Kawai XD5 drum synth 250,500 (2) what is a waldorf microwave? (though i see the price list says: Waldorf Microwave 850,875 ) (3) the price list also says: Roland TR-808 drum machine 300,350,400,425,425,500,500,600,600 Roland TR-909 drum machine 300,350,350,400,400,450 the rec.music.synth price list is a list of prices of what has been offered for sale on the net and for how much (all in US$). mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Rave Crusader wrote: > Personally I think we outta stop this thread because it is starting to > have little to do with raves and more to do with synth technology. well, i think general discussions of music-making are appropriate here, though when it starts getting really technical and particular, we should perhaps take it elsewhere. the question is: where? my original question was sent to ne-raves and posted to rec.music.makers.synth. here it generated a lot of discussion that i've found interesting and useful. there, i think, it resulted in one reply by email. is there a techno-music-making mailing list? (ding! ) part of the appeal of talking about such things here is that i know we're all into techno and i know people individually and feel more comfortable pestering people with questions... mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:44:54 GMT-0500 From: "Mark Danks" Subject: SMPTE Eric McCormick writes : > Well, SMPTE was created for Video, not Audio, really. Anyone who >has a need to sync Audio with Video will most likely use SMPTE. And >if you ever make a music video to your song, SMPTE can help you lock >up shots of vocals or instrument playing. That is one thing to do with SMPTE, but it is a limited view. The main reason that SMPTE is used in audio (notice audio, not video) today is syncing the computer to regular audio tracks. I know that vocals are out of style, but if you want that, or guitars, or real drums, or a real string section, or etc. and you don't have enough money to buy a digital hard disk recorder, then record SMPTE on one of the tracks on your reel-to-reel, then whenever you play it back, the computer will lock to the regular audio. Later, Mark [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sine path square field Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:04:51 EST | | | On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Rave Crusader wrote: | | > Personally I think we outta stop this thread because it is starting to | > have little to do with raves and more to do with synth technology. | | well, i think general discussions of music-making are appropriate here, | though when it starts getting really technical and particular, we should | perhaps take it elsewhere. the question is: where? my original question | was sent to ne-raves and posted to rec.music.makers.synth. here it | generated a lot of discussion that i've found interesting and useful. | there, i think, it resulted in one reply by email. is there a | techno-music-making mailing list? (ding! ) part of the appeal | of talking about such things here is that i know we're all into techno and | i know people individually and feel more comfortable pestering people with | questions... | | mike | | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n | | Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | hey, before you jump the gun, i am starting (or attempting to) start an account for a mailing list for analog synthesizers and Do it yourselfers, etc.. mainly anyone who is really interested in it. so, send mail if you're interested: the name is ANALOGUE heaven mailing list sines -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:07:50 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: music-making mailing lists okay. ANALOGUE heaven sounds nice. but is there a mailing list about techno making, about drum machines, samplers, sequencers, 303, 808, 909, and how to make a cool kick on your GUS? etc mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:15:07 -0500 From: "Christian Clark Mellow" Subject: ne-raves-request I need to know. Inform me! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sine path square field Subject: ANALOGUE heaven mailing list... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:30:02 EST | | | okay. ANALOGUE heaven sounds nice. but is there a mailing list about | techno making, about drum machines, samplers, sequencers, 303, 808, 909, | and how to make a cool kick on your GUS? etc | | mike | | that could all be implimented as well. i wouldn't mind nor would many more of us. knowledge.. we would all have a lot of it and then our brains would explode or we would do cool music. sines -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:31:19 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers yyy "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, mike perkowitz wrote: > > > On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Rave Crusader wrote: > > > Yeah that would be the machine to get. Heck a good sampler, an XD-5 and a > > Waldorf Microwave would be the way to go. :) > > How low are the XD5s going for? I see here that they have filter cutoffs > > and DCFs as well as ADSR envelopes. Neat. > > The price is the sticker for me however. I guess I'll have to get by with > > my $250 Tr-909 for awhile longer. :) > > (1) the used price list from the net says: > Kawai XD5 drum synth 250,500 Cool, now if I can scrape up $250 for yet another drum machine and find someone to sell me one athat price. > (2) what is a waldorf microwave? (though i see the price list says: > Waldorf Microwave 850,875 ) It is THE synth module to own if you are doing techno or rave. 8 way multitibral, wavetable synthesis, analog filters based on the PPG Wave. > Roland TR-808 drum machine 300,350,400,425,425,500,500,600,600 > Roland TR-909 drum machine 300,350,350,400,400,450 Yeah, and I got mine for a mere $250! :) It also says 303s go for $100 (Not at Rogue!) > the rec.music.synth price list is a list of prices of what has been > offered for sale on the net and for how much (all in US$). > > mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:40:08 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, mike perkowitz wrote: > > well, i think general discussions of music-making are appropriate here, > though when it starts getting really technical and particular, we should > perhaps take it elsewhere. the question is: where? my original question > was sent to ne-raves and posted to rec.music.makers.synth. here it > generated a lot of discussion that i've found interesting and useful. > there, i think, it resulted in one reply by email. is there a > techno-music-making mailing list? (ding! ) part of the appeal > of talking about such things here is that i know we're all into techno and > i know people individually and feel more comfortable pestering people with > questions... True but as you said when they get too technical I feel that we alienate alot of the readers of this net. There should be a techno-music-makers mailing list. I know if I weren't into synth technology I would feel kinda pissed having to read a bunch of messages that I didn't understand or care about > Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu > ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:46:29 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: music-making mailing lists "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, mike perkowitz wrote: > > okay. ANALOGUE heaven sounds nice. but is there a mailing list about > techno making, about drum machines, samplers, sequencers, 303, 808, 909, > and how to make a cool kick on your GUS? etc > > mike ANALOGUE heaven would be up and running before we could get a techno-equipment mailing list together. We could also get some FAQs like, "What are 101's, 202's, 303's, 808's, and 909's?" "What should I buy to get started?" etc.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 12:55:52 MST Rave Crusader writes: > It is THE synth module to own if you are doing techno or rave. You mean, it is THE synth module to own if you want to sound like everyone else doing techno or "rave". A fellow DJ was over at my house the other night using my equipment and he asked if I ever used the 303. I admitted that I only really liked to mix it into severe acid, which wasn't very often. Demanding that someone needs a 303, 909, and Waldorf in order to do "proper" techno is fairly limiting don't you think? When I saw the Orb perform, they didn't have any of those machines, so does that mean you can't dance to it? If I had unlimited budget to make music, I wouldn't go cruising after what everyone else had. I'd try to do it differently. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: techno equipment FAQ On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Rave Crusader wrote: > We could also get some FAQs like, > "What are 101's, 202's, 303's, 808's, and 909's?" > "What should I buy to get started?" etc.. how about general summaries of what various pieces of equipment (that might be of interest to the techno musician) are and can do. i know it's a lot of information, but it's also very useful. allows some comparison between things, finding what you need. assuming there's not such a FAQ already in existence: if people are willing to write little descriptions of their favorite equipment, i hereby volunteer to compile it all into something. WARNING: i may not be the best for this job. after all, i know relatively little about the stuff involved. it seems to me descriptions should: (1) be concise (2) include what it is (drum machine, synth, sound module, sampler, sequencer, computer sampling board, software) (3) strengths compared to other things in its class (class of what it is and class of how much it costs) such as: nice sounds, inexpensive, good interface, etc (4) weaknesses compared to same (5) price - how much new/used you've paid or seen it for (i'll add info from the rec.music.synth price list) (6) what it goes well with - if you think the thing works particularly well with some other device, mention it (i.e. "boy! controlling my X1-ZZ47b couldn't be more pleasurable than with my 27b/6!") (7) what it doesn't go well with (8) caveats and warnings (i.e. "no midi" or "you'll need a 386 with 8M of RAM and windows") (9) be concise remember, there's a lot of equipment out there. try to compress your information. for example, if there's a line of related products, you can describe the cheapest and then say what each one up adds. for now, i'm just sending this to ne-raves. if it proves manageable, i may widen the net to rec.music.makers.synth or whatever. mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pccmoddan@aol.com Subject: Re: Tape trades... Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:22:26 EST I've got some mixes (and also do a bit myself too), and I'm always looking for more... email me if any of you are interested. - Dan Maelcum [KLF] - GOP-DK - Shaggy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:30:34 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: the HOM, ladies and gentlemen... Late Addition: Rob Campanell will be at Tripotronic. I'll be wearing my usual Expo's baseball cap, blue jeans, beat up Jack Purcells, black backpack with smart bar inside. If you see a guy taking pictures with a Fuji disposable camera --- That's me. See you there. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:27 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: QUESTIONS: drum machines, sequencers, computers There is an EMUSIC-L list at AUVM in DC. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Kaos theory 4 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:07:19 EST I'm presently listening to KT4, and i just remembered that some of you asked me to tell them if it was good or not when i'd buy it. Well: it kicks. I got it on vinyl for 15$ instead of about 26$ in CD, but i would suggest the CD if you can get it for a better price since the volume is a little bit low compared to a 12" (yes i know it's a full length record, and i should have know...). So: Side 1 1. I feel love - messiah Argh! they cut it! it's too short. 2. Do it jah - dark syndicate Well, there is a JBID La-style synth that adds nothing that could have been left out but it's ok. 3. Number One (rocker's mix) - Kicks like a mule Please someone tell the brits to leave reggae where it belongs. If you make abstraction of that, it's an ok song. 4. Streets of rage - 3 sample It's almost thrue that they use only 3 samples (1 from Altern8). So so. 5. Respect is due - DJ N EX Nice analog sounds buried in there. Simple but effective. 6. Toontown - Noise Overload I prefer that to the video games trend. Got a lots of phone calls on this one 2 weeks ago (in my radio show) 7. Far from a river - Cosmic Brian Lots of stuff in this song. Some adamski style slowsynths in background that i really like. A bit of prodigy feel to the song. Side 2 1. We can be - Well hung parliament Good trancy. If you like dark ATS, you'll like this one. 2. Initiation (full circle mix) - faith department Average 3. Do it (brain at plus 12 mix) - Shifty overload Ok breakbeat, but nothing new 4. Searchin' - Conscious Lacks a bit of bass drum. I would call that a dance track. 5. Mercurial (euphoric original mix) - Euphoria Great. Trance (at least my definition of trance). 6. Shift - Havanna Another pretty good song with interesting percussions. 7. P.G. Tips - P.G. Tips This is not a heavy trance. Usable, but not a killer. So overall 7 excellent tracks, and some less and there is only one filler cheese: side 2 number 4. Compared to other KT comps: better than KT2, but KT1 is better. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: more on SMPTE when i was doing a lot of industrial and music with vocals SMPTE was the best thing. it allowed me to put vocals on tape, sync it with the mac.. and then, on mixdown.. the vocals go from tape to the DAT deck.. but the synths went straight from themselves to the DAT deck. no tape in between! it resulted in nice clean recordings.. of course now, in techno, with less (if any) vocals.. the synths can still go straight to DAT anyway... but, like i said before.. the ability to put vocal samples and stuff of tape not only makes it seem like you have a huge sampler.. but frees up room in your sampler for other things... another fun thing...write a song.. and then dump the ENTIRE tracks from the sampler to tape with SMPTE.. then, erase the sampler.. start again from scratch.. with whole new banks of sounds.. it's like ya have 2 samplers! one is on tape.. another is running live... >.taylor [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:12:39 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers as pete told me before.. which he shoulda posted to everyone: it's not what you have. it's how you use it. simple as that. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:43:13 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers On xxx, 22 Jan 1993, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > as pete told me before.. which he shoulda posted to everyone: > > it's not what you have. it's how you use it. > > simple as that. weeellll, i'm not sure i would agree it's that simple. perhaps past a certain critical mass of equipment. but i feel like, with my drum machine, my synth (with a sequencer with a braindead interface), and Y-cables for mixing, that i am more limited by my equipment than by my ideas. there are certain things i just can't do. so my music has a certain minimalistic quality that sometimes actually works and is sometimes just disheartening. mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: XD-5 is not a "drum machine" the kawai XD-5 does not have any form of sync... it is not a "drum machine" but rather, a drum synthesizer. it is a rack mouth full of drum waveforms and parameters for editing. there is no internal sequencer. so, you can't make patterns on it. it's just like a synth. how does it compare to the DR-660? well, it's much better in terms of sounds and editing.. (which, i think, is the most important aspect of any piece of gear)...it has no built in fx.. (but, 6 outputs).. and, like i metnioned..you can't write patterns in it.. you must use a sequencer.. just think of it as a synth.....with drum waveforms.. it's great. great.great.great. :) >.taylor Exit [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: not the equip, but how you use it... true.. more equipment can lead to cooler sounds and better ways to be creative. what i was trying to say is that you don't NEED killer equipment if you've got a killer mind.. my friend did one of the most incredible tapes i have ever heard with: roland D110 korg DW8000 acoustic guitar 4-track he took advantage of the 4track.. overdubbed.. just did amazing things... and, most importantly.. PROGRAMMED the HELL out of his synths.. however,... more gear is fun! and the desire of us all... as i read once on a tshirt: "when we die, in the end, whoever has more toys...wins" >>taylor.bleep. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:22:56 EST Pete, what exactly DID the Orb have when you saw them perform live? It's always been kind of a mystery as to what equipment they're using, at least to me. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: music-making mailing lists Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:26:09 EST > ANALOGUE heaven would be up and running before we could get a > techno-equipment mailing list together. We could also get some FAQs like, > "What are 101's, 202's, 303's, 808's, and 909's?" <-------, > "What should I buy to get started?" etc.. | | | Todd's already written up one about the lower-numbered ones in the series. Perhaps Taylor could write about the 808, and someone with a 909 could write about that... Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 16:36:48 MST > Pete, what exactly DID the Orb have when you saw them perform live? Alex stuck on three turntables. Most of the synth and rhythm lines were pressed onto special wax for him to use. Thrash was using two keyboards to key off samples and other crud. I can't remember what models they were. One was white and was definitely for samples, it was labeled that way. The other was black. Sorry, I should have looked closer. That was the really the birth of my interest rather than the crest. November 1991, yikes. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sine path square field Subject: Re: techno equipment FAQ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:43:22 EST | On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Rave Crusader wrote: | | > We could also get some FAQs like, | > "What are 101's, 202's, 303's, 808's, and 909's?" | > "What should I buy to get started?" etc.. | | how about general summaries of what various pieces of equipment (that | might be of interest to the techno musician) are and can do. i know it's a | lot of information, but it's also very useful. allows some comparison | between things, finding what you need. | | assuming there's not such a FAQ already in existence: | | if people are willing to write little descriptions of their favorite | equipment, i hereby volunteer to compile it all into something. WARNING: i | may not be the best for this job. after all, i know relatively little | about the stuff involved. it seems to me descriptions should: | | (1) be concise | (2) include what it is (drum machine, synth, sound module, sampler, | sequencer, computer sampling board, software) | (3) strengths compared to other things in its class (class of what | it is and class of how much it costs) | such as: nice sounds, inexpensive, good interface, etc | (4) weaknesses compared to same | (5) price - how much new/used you've paid or seen it for | (i'll add info from the rec.music.synth price list) | (6) what it goes well with - if you think the thing works particularly | well with some other device, mention it (i.e. "boy! | controlling my X1-ZZ47b couldn't be more pleasurable than | with my 27b/6!") | (7) what it doesn't go well with | (8) caveats and warnings (i.e. "no midi" or "you'll need a 386 | with 8M of RAM and windows") | (9) be concise | | remember, there's a lot of equipment out there. try to compress your | information. for example, if there's a line of related products, you | can describe the cheapest and then say what each one up adds. | i have already made a detailed, yet brief description of some of the machines out there. i was about to do a part 2, of the drum machines and other synths (etc) yet i feel that i didn't have enough information in my brain to do so. i know a lot about some shit...but i can't just say, well, this is exactly this....blah blah blah... i just don't know enough about the hardware to do so. i wrote before on the 101, 202, 303, as well as the sh-0X series and the modular series.. but i put in stuff that wasn't really there (i messed up the numbers)... stupid me. there are lines of rolands i haven;t even heard of..// there is a string/organ only synth with CV/gate <> but no ins, the SA-09 analog saturn synth... the s-700 synth, the mc-8, an analog 8-track sequencer that listed for $4000 and was programmed in step time... with this type of unique character to companies who produce limited edition synths and all (i found some really really rare sequential stuff.. etc...) we will have a grand old time listing everything that could be used for techno... this could include stuff like shortwave radios; televisions; sinewave generators; people have also built a lot of their own stuff, personal mods. etc.. how about we post lists of our equipment and once we get the list, we could then each describe the synths in detail... and drum machines, etc.. whatever we use for music... i like to do stuff with fucking around with the CV/gate controls. etc.. but some like to keep a cleaner setup. etc.. reply! sines -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: music-making mailing lists Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:57:25 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i'd be very interested in reading these FAQ's about the different units, and what equipment i should buy to get started. allthis talk on the list now about music-making, and juicy hardware is making me drool,but is also very frustrating, because i don't know what any of this stuff is. never.stop.dancing.sharing.thinking.loving.dreaming. SHALAKO besides Layaway... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:07:34 -0500 From: Zach Eitzen Subject: Re: the HOM, ladies and gentlemen... I wasn't sure of my plans until last night so that explains why I'm not on the HOM. I am going to Tripotronic's Journey to the Warehouse. I am about 5' 10" with long light brown hair (probably it will be in a ponytail) and I will be wearing black pants and probably a red T-shirt that says "The new CIA KGB ... now we're everywhere!". I will be taking Doug (aka mortis@wam) but I don't knnow what he'll be wearing... Zach [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 22:26:09 -0500 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: Pigface in Portland The industro-performance band PIgface is playing in Portland this coming Tuesday night -- I don't have specifics, but I have a promised ride and a ticket; the person I'm travelling with has arranged to interview En Esch -- if this actually happens I'll post the text to the list if anyone is interested. I know you're out there -- ne-ravers who have those industrial roots -- don't miss this one --- Russell Potter [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: DISCOG: Future Sound of London Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 1:06:47 EST THE FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON DISCOGRAPHY Version 1.0 [22 Jan 1993] By Mike Brown This discography contains releases by the dance music duo Garry Dougans and Brian Cobain, most famous for their work under the name The Future Sound Of London. Garry Dougans is the main guy in the band; he wrote the early material on his own, with Brian providing vocals on just one track. Almost everything else they have released has been credited to both of them as the composers. Brian's name is often misspelled "Cockbain" on their records. I'm still not entirely sure which name is correct. FSOL are very popular because of their unique, spacey, almost surreal sound, captivating rhythms, and sometimes way-ahead-of-their-time arrangements. Most of their compositions are instrumental. Other aliases they've recorded under include: Humanoid, Smart Systems, Mental Cube, Semi Real, Yage, Indo Tribe, Candese, and Metropolis. Thanks to all those who contributed. You know who you are. Please direct all additions, corrections, and flames to me, Mike Brown, mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu. 120 Wickfield Rd, Blacklick OH 43004 USA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Humanoid: Stakker Humanoid [1988] UK 12": GE CD5: From: Rob H I've seen an old CD simply called "Humanoid" (? I think) which has the original Stakker Humanoid and a bunch of other tracks. From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU mr dougans first caught my heart with his totally incredible acid house track called StakkerHumanoid .. under the band name "humanoid". this song, as well as a song called "cry baby" are on the 'acido amigo' acid house comp. HIGHLY recomended.. if you can find it.. "stakker humanoid" was so far ahead of its time.. that song is now appearing on a recent techno comp (i can't remember the name)...he was doing techno while the world was doing acid house (original acid house). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Humanoid: Stakker Humanoid 92 [1992] UK CD5: Jumpin' & Pumpin/Earth Beat CDS TOT 27 3:40 Stakker Humanoid (7" Original) 4:56 Stakker Humanoid (Smart Systems Remix) 5:43 Stakker Humanoid (Gary Cobain '94 Mix) 7:39 Stakker Humanoid (Omen Mix) 5:34 Stakker Humanoid (303 Tribe) 4:53 Stakker Humanoid (Outer Limits) 4:59 Stakker Humanoid (12" Original) 2:44 Stakker Humanoid (Dub Drums) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Humanoid: Slam [?] UK 12": From: kellyd@cybernet.cse.fau.edu there is also a lesser known 12" by humanoid called `slam`.. i don't think that one was on earthbeat.. i just have that one on an old acid house compilation, but there was a 12" out for it.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Humanoid: Global LP [1989] UK LP: Westside Records full album by dougans (cobain does vox on one track) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mental Cube: So This Is Love [1991] UK 12": Earth Beat So This Is Love So This Is Love (remix) Q ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ various: Pulse EP vol 2 [1991] UK 12": Earth Beat/Jumpin' & Pumpin' 12 TOT 14 5:10 Stolen Documents (Jazz Dub) [FSOL] Zip Code (Stress Ball mix) [Smart Systems] 4:36 In 8 (W-O-W mix) [FSOL] I've Become What You Were (Insider mix) [Indo Tribe] The FSOL tracks are the same as on the album Accelerator. The sleeve lists track 1 on side B as "Innate", while the label lists it as "In 8". On Accelerator it is listed as "1 In 8". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Future Sound of London: Papua New Guinea [1992] UK CD5: Jumpin' & Pumpin' CDS TOT 17 3:52 Papua New Guinea (7" Original) 9:44 Papua New Guinea (Andrew Weatherall Mix) 1:24 Papua New Guinea (Dub Mix) 5:25 Papua New Guinea (Journey To Pyramid) 3:48 Papua New Guinea (Graham Massey Mix) 4:24 Papua New Guinea (Dumb Child of Q) 5:01 Papua New Guinea (12" Original) 5:06 Papua New Guinea (Hamish McDonald Mix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Future Sound of London: Accelerator [1992] UK CD: Jumpin' & Pumpin'/R&S RS2192CD 5:38 Expander 5:10 Stolen Documents 4:14 While Others Cry 6:47 Calcium 3:45 It's Not My Problem 6:46 Papua New Guinea 3:34 Moscow 4:36 1 In 8 7:18 Pulse State 4:19 Central Industrial ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ various: EarthBeat [1992] UK 2LP: Earth Beat/Jumpin' & Pumpin' LP TOT 7 UK CD: Earth Beat/Jumpin' & Pumpin' CD TOT 7 4:12 Q (original) [Mental Cube] 6:29 Quazi [Yage] 4:17 You Took My Love [Candese] 4:19 Papua New Guinea (Dumb Child of Q) [FSOL] 4:53 Owl [Indo Tribe] 5:00 People Livin' Today [Semi Real] 4:34 Theme from Hot Burst [Yage] 4:24 Shrink [Indo Tribe] 4:45 So This Is Love [Mental Cube] 3:56 Chile of the Base Generation [Mental Cube] 4:58 Tingler (remix) [Smart Systems] 4:48 Coda Coma [Yage] 5:01 In the Mind of a Child [Indo Tribe] 6:03 Stakker Humanoid (Coby '94 mix) [Humanoid] 4:31 Creator [Smart Systems] 4:27 Bite the Bullet Baby [Indo Tribe] 4:52 Owl (I Can See You mix) appears on the UK compilation Breaks, Bass & Bleeps 3, Rumour Records CDRAID 506. It is slightly different from the mix on EarthBeat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Metropolis: Metropolis [1992] UK 12": Union City Recordings Metropolis (Original mix) Metropolis (Analog mix) Hyporeel Metropolis (Soweto mix) The original mix and Hyporeel also appear on UCR "Colours" compilation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ THAT'S ALL I KNOW ABOUT FOR NOW. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:14:46 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Pete Ashdown wrote: > Rave Crusader writes: > > You mean, it is THE synth module to own if you want to sound like everyone Nope, I mean it is THE analog synth rack unit. You can't get any closer. Plus you pretty much have an infinite amount of possibilities soundwise.I am not saying you need one. I don't have one. I'd like to but I can't afford it, Instead I use my 6 voice polyphonic Kawai K3 which isn't multitibral (can only play one sound at a time) I think people should buy what they can afford and put it to the best use they can. I am seeking out such old synths like the Chroma Polaris and the OBX-A and such so I DON'T sound like everyone else..If I had a second choice for "best techno/rave synth" it would be the Roland JD-800. This is a monster of a machine with a slider for each parameter. This is cool because you have analog like control of a digital synth..And soundwise you can tweak all kinds of wild sounds out of it. > else doing techno or "rave". A fellow DJ was over at my house the other night > using my equipment and he asked if I ever used the 303. I admitted that I > only really liked to mix it into severe acid, which wasn't very often. > Demanding that someone needs a 303, 909, and Waldorf in order to do "proper" > techno is fairly limiting don't you think? When I saw the Orb perform, they > didn't have any of those machines, so does that mean you can't dance to it? > If I had unlimited budget to make music, I wouldn't go cruising after what > everyone else had. I'd try to do it differently. I never demanded that anyone get a 303, 909, 808, Waldorf or anything else. I was looking for a 303 for sale and I happened to run across some 909's shortly after I bought mine so I decided to inform the people on ne-raves that were looking for 909's about the two I had come across. That's all. I was shoving the Rolands down anyones throat but I guarantee that they will be snapped up by someone. If I knew how I would be like the Aphex Twin and build all my synths but I don't so I opt for anything that I can tweak the hell out of. I'm not into presets or sonding like anyone else. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: techno equipment FAQ "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. > > how about general summaries of what various pieces of equipment (that > might be of interest to the techno musician) are and can do. i know it's a > lot of information, but it's also very useful. allows some comparison > between things, finding what you need. Right thats a good idea. To make it even bigger, how to read specs for synths, samplers, sequencers and drum machines. > assuming there's not such a FAQ already in existence: > > if people are willing to write little descriptions of their favorite > equipment, i hereby volunteer to compile it all into something. WARNING: i > may not be the best for this job. after all, i know relatively little > about the stuff involved. it seems to me descriptions should: > > (1) be concise > (2) include what it is (drum machine, synth, sound module, sampler, > sequencer, computer sampling board, software) > (3) strengths compared to other things in its class (class of what > it is and class of how much it costs) > such as: nice sounds, inexpensive, good interface, etc > (4) weaknesses compared to same > (5) price - how much new/used you've paid or seen it for > (i'll add info from the rec.music.synth price list) > (6) what it goes well with - if you think the thing works particularly > well with some other device, mention it (i.e. "boy! > controlling my X1-ZZ47b couldn't be more pleasurable than > with my 27b/6!") > (7) what it doesn't go well with > (8) caveats and warnings (i.e. "no midi" or "you'll need a 386 > with 8M of RAM and windows") > (9) be concise > > remember, there's a lot of equipment out there. try to compress your > information. for example, if there's a line of related products, you > can describe the cheapest and then say what each one up adds. > > for now, i'm just sending this to ne-raves. if it proves manageable, i may > widen the net to rec.music.makers.synth or whatever. > > mike Sounds excellent to me. I think however you may want to wait for that ANALOGUE heaven mailing list. It would fit in nicer there. I can give intormation and specs on every piece of equipment I have used for any lenght of time. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: more on SMPTE "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. I have to say taylor, you are the SMPTE master. I had never even thought of getting a SMPTE converter but now I am honestly contemplationg it. Wow...that is the shit. The idea of being able to sound like I am using a sampler with a LOT OF RAM is really appealing to me. Thanks again. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:42:51 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: music-making mailing lists "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Mike J. Brown wrote: > > ANALOGUE heaven would be up and running before we could get a > > techno-equipment mailing list together. We could also get some FAQs like, > > "What are 101's, 202's, 303's, 808's, and 909's?" <-------, > > "What should I buy to get started?" etc.. | > | > | > Todd's already written up one about the lower-numbered ones in the > series. Perhaps Taylor could write about the 808, and someone with > a 909 could write about that... > Mike Brown > _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient Hmmm, well if no one else is willing I could do the one on the 909. BTW: How do I ger that FAQ on the lower numbered x0x's? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Fri, 22 Jan 1993, Pete Ashdown wrote: > > Pete, what exactly DID the Orb have when you saw them perform live? > > Alex stuck on three turntables. Most of the synth and rhythm lines were > pressed onto special wax for him to use. Thrash was using two keyboards to > key off samples and other crud. I can't remember what models they were. One > was white and was definitely for samples, it was labeled that way. The other > was black. Sorry, I should have looked closer. That was the really the birth > of my interest rather than the crest. November 1991, yikes. You know I had been wondering for a while if I was the only one at raves that have live PA's, that was squinting through the fog and lighting to see the names on the back of equipment or to idetify a familiar shape, etc. I guess not. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:52:59 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: techno equipment FAQ "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. Well if we are going to list anything that can be used in techno I must then include my Sangean ATS-803 shortwave/longwave reciever, my Commodore 64 with the SAM (Software Automated Mouth) voice program., a sweep frequency oscilator and a Saftey Speak N Spell. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Ben.Jaffe@f349.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ben Jaffe) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:09:46 -0500 Subject: =={ Is This Cool ? }== UU> Has anyone heard about this? UU> It is happening in Hartford, CT tonight and I am wondering UU> if I should go... UU> Vibe Assault UU> Hardcore Techno DJ: Mr. Trash UU> Body Piercing and Taatooing on premisis. UU> $2 UU> Does anyone know what is up with this? UU> tt How can you pass up Hardcore techno w/ only a 2$ cover!!!!!!!!! In DC you have to pay at least 8$ for the bad stuff!! Later, peace! (increase it, especially for only 2$) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: some stuff with SMPTE (that i've used) with raver909's new interst in SMPTE, i thought i'd post some of the stuff that i've owned and used.. that generate SMPTE.. to help out those looking.. there's lots more stuff.. i'm sure.. but here's some: jlcooper sync link: 32 midi channel macintosh->midi interface. reads and writes smpte. korg S-3: rhtyhm workstation. reads and writes smpte. akai asq-10/mpc60 1/2: sequencer/sequencer,sampling drum machine... reads and writes smpte. e-mu emulator II/III: killer samplers.. internal sequencers read and write smpte. synclink: $150 korg S-3: $300 (dr sounds in NYC is bLOWING these out. i had to get one) akaiasq10: the BEST hardware sequencer available... $800 used. rare. akai mpc60: an asq-10 with a sampling drum machine built in..over $2000.. (i think) emulator II: $1100 used emulator III: $3500 used.. there are also dedicated smpte generator boxes.. but, i don't know the names of 'em off the top of my head... it's always been my dream to own an emulator II OR III.. maybe one day!. sigh.. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 09:03:36 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Etheriel) Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers RC>I'm sorry but I bought one of the "best and latest" an Alesis SR-16. RC>I sold it before the year was out I believe the TR-909 had some RC>form of analog filters. All the shit drum machines now are just RC>sample playback machines. The exception beintthe Kawai XD-5 which RC>is a drum SYNTH. The I did the EXACT same thing, sold my sr-16 for a xd-5... -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 09:17:46 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Etheriel) Subject: CFV: ne-raves-makers I'd like everyone on ne-raves to start sending votes to me, because I'd like to start up ne-raves-makers, a mailing list for making music and lighting, all pure hardcore technical goop. If I get enough intrest I'll go off and create it. Otherwise i'm not going to put load on GNU for it. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Yep, some slick sales guy was able to get me into the SR-16 and hyped it and me up so much I bought it. You know it isn't a bad machine for most styles of music but for what I wanted to do I quickly realized its limitations. "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:41:42 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: CFV: ne-raves-makers "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Sat, 23 Jan 1993, Etheriel wrote: > > I'd like everyone on ne-raves to start sending votes to me, because I'd > like to start up ne-raves-makers, a mailing list for making music and Ok John, it gets my vote and If you need any help with anything then let me know. I kinda figure it has to happen since there are a large amount of messages on technical stuff that I am sure alot of people could care less about. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:49:17 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: 2 909's available! After criss crossing the country via the electronic networks, I have located two guys willing to sell you a 909. The first on is Brandon. (817)460-6139 <-----Make this guy an offer he can't refuse. The other guy is Wayne (214)393-3735 <-----Asking $500 US but I am sure you can talk him down. If I run across any more I'll let ya know. Joe "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 12:29:34 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Rave Crusader: > > Nope, I mean it is THE analog synth rack unit. You can't get any closer. > Plus you pretty much have an infinite amount of possibilities soundwise.I I was under impression that the Oberheim Matrix 1000 had the most complete set of analog circuits... > Aphex Twin and build all my synths but I don't so I opt for anything that > I can tweak the hell out of. I'm not into presets or sonding like anyone else. This is why soft synths are so interesting because you can recreate any sound possible. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: DISCOG: Future Sound of London Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 12:50:37 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Mike J. Brown: > > THE FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON DISCOGRAPHY > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Humanoid: Stakker Humanoid 92 [1992] > > UK CD5: Jumpin' & Pumpin/Earth Beat CDS TOT 27 > 3:40 Stakker Humanoid (7" Original) > 4:56 Stakker Humanoid (Smart Systems Remix) Also available on: Various: 2 Technocal (the second rave) CDN CD: SPG Music/Denon Canada SPG 1203 7. 4:52 Stakker Humanoid (Smart Systems Remix) - Humanoid If you want the complete listing for the compilation, email me. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Future Sound of London: Papua New Guinea [1992] > > UK CD5: Jumpin' & Pumpin' CDS TOT 17 > 3:52 Papua New Guinea (7" Original) Also available on: Various: Cool World CDN CD: Warner Music Canada CDW 45009 4. 3:52 Papua New Guinea (7" Original) - FSOL If you want the complete listing for Cool World, email me. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Metropolis: Metropolis [1992] > > UK 12": Union City Recordings > Metropolis (Original mix) > Metropolis (Analog mix) > Hyporeel > Metropolis (Soweto mix) > > The original mix and Hyporeel also appear on UCR "Colours" compilation. Also available on: Various: Megamix UK MC: Union City Recordings/DJ DJ 3 10. Metropolis - Metropolis 11. Hyporeal - Metropolis DJ3 is a tape that came with DJ magasine(UK) issue #78. It is a megamix by Graeme Park of UCR. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:01 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Matrix in DC Last Night I went to Matrix here in DC last night... it was the opening night. All in all I think it was worth the $5 cover. I only stayed until about 2am, though. I think the only negative thing for me was that they were serving alcohol and there was too mu smoking going on for me. There was a nice outdoor deck that I wish more people had taken advantage of. I saw some other NE-RAVERs there.. Doug Z and Dj Neuromancer! It was nice to meet both of you! Also, I met Doug's friend.. I'm sorry I forget your name! Great to see some fellow NE-RAVERS there. I sent some E_Mail to Michael Meacham with instructions on how to access ne-raves, so maybe we'll see him on here in a bit. Time to rest now for the Warehouse rave tonight in Balitimore. Peace, Eric_McCormick@MCIMAIL.COM [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:08:26 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: TR-909 Searchers "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Sat, 23 Jan 1993, Francois Dion wrote: > I was under impression that the Oberheim Matrix 1000 had the most complete > set of analog circuits... Nope, it is only 6 voice polyphonic, 2 oscillators and is basically a preset instrument. (To program it you need to use a software editor.) The Matrix 12 is THE ANALOG SYNTH. It's a monster.in terms of size and price ($6,400 U.S). Truth is nothing else can match it. You can get a Microwave and that will get close but it can't match the Matrix 12s 24 oscillators. > > Aphex Twin and build all my synths but I don't so I opt for anything that > > I can tweak the hell out of. I'm not into presets or sonding like anyone else. > > This is why soft synths are so interesting because you can recreate any sound > possible. > > Ciao, > -- > Francois Dion > ' _ _ _ > CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA > (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 > _______________________________________________________________________________ > Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... > > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:04:16 EST From: susie Subject: Re: Matrix in DC Last Night sorry i can't be at wonderland...and meet all you guys but my friend is graduat ing from here...so...but doug will bring pictures of me and other sf and socal ravers i took while i was at home...so here was my weekend so far...i am kinda sad though that i lost my sfraves pin (and for any sfravers on neraves does any one have an xtra they could spare please please please...) (: i don't know if i will go back to matrix or just stay happy going to veritgo at he roxy here in dc...partyon...susie ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- dear eric...that was me susie, i am dougs friend...and i am an ne-raver but i h aven't gotten my badge yet because laura has had problmes..(although i sent my money over a month ago)...i too went to matrix last night..it was ok...i really like the remix of "life is a mystery" sample from madonna (not a usual person to take samples from) but it was really well done...and club is nice...i miss o t having a chill out room or something to that effect...some of the drunks slim ey guys bugged me and my friend but overall people were ok...the tunes really p icked up after 4 am...the music got a little less hardcore and interupted (god i hate it when they do that stoping of the record to the beat, expecially when they are off beat...again thank god for breakbeat...(YEAH!)...i too chatted wit h michael meachem and according to him the april future is going to be big...wi th a big budget and everything...this can be good or bad depending on your feel ing towards bigness...i also picked up a flyer for "Michael C's X-tra fun bus T RIP to the Limelight. Friday january 29, 6:30 from music now. Round trip, adm ission and surprisEs for just $39. meltdown prod. (301) 927-EATX or michael c (301) 215 0475...sounds like fun but i can't go...(bummEr) ...well it was nice meeting you eric for the second time!!!(we met at the prerave umd party too!) a nd for those of you who know doug, you should just watch that boy dance...whew! btw does anyone know anything else about the valentines day prodegy thing?...we ll enought of my excellent adventures other than fuck matrix for their carding policy...they wouldn't take my au id that i am over 18...what totally ageist geeks...and i lost my sfraves pin there (i am so sad) ): so partyon...susie [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 24 Jan 1993 00:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Ultramarine on a tip from DJ slip.. i went to tower records and picked up the ULTRAMARINE cd called "every man and woman is a star". for all of you orb, orbital, FSoL, opusIII fans...this is a cd for you.. it's got that "after rave" sound. light, ambient...spacey...but is a little heavier beated than say.. UFOrb. and not as dreamy as opusIII. it's more along the lines of the first orb album.. "little fluffy clouds" type of thing. it's a nice cd. domestik price too. lots of slow 303 lines... buy the cd. tape it...bring it in the car for the rides home from raves.. i'm gonna make my after-rave-car tape.. with this...orbital, age of love..orb.. opus III...hey, maybe some new toxic beatbox even.. :) having bought and heard this cd.. im sorry that i missed ultramarine on tour with meat beat and orbital. nice work. >>taylor.808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:31:41 -0500 From: Zach Eitzen Subject: Journey to the Warehouse Well here I am at 6am writing a review instead of getting sleep so read at your own risk (might be plenty o' typos and/or bad grammar). Me and Doug got there a little before 11pm. The warehouse was (predictably) pretty empty so we kind of stood around for a while. The music was pretty good and it was plenty loud for me. After a while enough people had filtered in that we could start to move. The visuals were good, with around 10 Intellabeams and probably a similar number of strobes. There was also a Liquid oil projection behind the DJ stand that looked really cool. The space was a somewhat typical warehouse although the ceiling was lower than most warehouses that I have been to. More and more people filtered in and I met Eric McCormick. We didn't talk that much, but it was still nice to see another ne-raver. I also saw the ne-raves cybertribe stickers for the first time. They are really cool. I'll have to order some for myself... The music was a good mix of hardcore, trance and breakbeat. I must commend the DJs on a job well-done except for some Frankie Bones-style antics from Repete. He got on the mike and said "do you want some soft trance or some HARRRD trance?!?" I thought to myself, "do we have a choice?" and then he said "I guess you want some HARRRD trance" and I thought "no I just want you to shut up and play some music!" He refrained from saying anything else during his set so I was happy. The crowd was pretty big (probably close to the 2000 limit that Modern Music said there would be) and generally friendly and not too many drunks. There was definitely a "positive vibe" at this rave and it was one of the best ones I have been to overall. Plus, the price was only $10, so I really got a good value. Well, that's about it. We left around 4:45 because our legs were really beginning to feel the effects of dancing for 5+ hours. Peace, Zach [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: mjt3w@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 11:59:38 EST Subject: rats! foiled again. And now a sad story... I still don't have a computer:( But there was a guy on campus selling a mac+ w/ 40 mb hard drive and printer and whole bunches of other stuff for only 350$ - I saw him when he was putting up the signs:) But I hestitated too long and it was sold the next day:( THE END luCID mjt3w@virginia [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:41:20 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Weekend Bliss.. I'll never know if the 'Great Rave' actually was a great rave. After finding out it had been moved to the TLA (Theatre of Living arts) I decided that it probably wasn't gonna be worth the trip. Despite hearing that it was 100% legal, I also had Philadelphias notorious bust record in the back of my mind. Oh well. However Friday night was great. I went to a microrave in a basement of a house not far from here. DJing were the Procreators (Delawares claim to fame!!). There were around 80 people there and the vibe was really good. This was only a small, local thing but it really worked out well. :) :) Hope to see you people at Wonderland next weekend =) - Fluid [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Journey to the Warehouse From: Blake Sobiloff Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 18:09:41 -0500 >Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:31:41 -0500 >From: Zach Eitzen >To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu >Subject: Journey to the Warehouse > >I also saw the ne-raves >cybertribe stickers for the first time. They are really cool. I'll have to >order some for myself... Yeah, I saw one plastered on the wall by the bathroom early in the evening, but it disappeared later on. Who's got the stickers again? How much? >The crowd was pretty big (probably close to the 2000 limit that Modern Music >said there would be) and generally friendly and not too many drunks. There was >definitely a "positive vibe" at this rave and it was one of the best ones I have >been to overall. Plus, the price was only $10, so I really got a good value. > Woah -- $10? I drove all the way down to Music Now on Friday, only to be told that they didn't have them, and that I should check back tomorrow. When I went on Saturday they were charging the $12 same-day price, even though they didn't have the tickets any earlier. Did you gets yours somewhere else? I was a little peeved because when I tried calling earlier all I got was an answering machine, and it takes 1.5 hours in traffic to go there and back. However... I really enjoyed the vibe -- best I've been to so far. Quite a few people I talked with agreed, and we decided that it had something to do with the fact that it was in Baltimore, not DC. People from Baltimore seem to be much more freely sociable. Another thing that struck me as kinda funny was that the flyers said BYOB; it seems like a lot of other people took advantage of the invitation, too, which in my book made it just that much more fun. (Trash did seem to be a bit of a problem, though... :-( You didn't mention the gyroscope!!! The gang and I got there at about 1am and we immediately got in line; it was a *great* way to kick off the evening. It was a blast and a half, even though I've got bruises around my waist where the waist support was. (I did end up sitting down for a while after that, though, just to get my head straight. %-) We ended up leaving around 6:30 to catch some steak and eggs at an IHOP. See y'all next Saturday! "To say someone is 'entitled' to some- | Blake Sobiloff thing is to say someone else is obli- | gated to produce in his place. It is | Laboratory for Automation Psychology the civilian version of draft-dodging | Department of Psychology and leaving the sacrifices to others." | University of Maryland -Thomas Sowell | College Park, MD 20742-4411 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 24-JAN-1993 18:53:13.50 From: "Mr. SparklE" Subject: Re: Rave or Tec[comin' liveandirec frum alt.rave] X-VMS-News: eagle.wesleyan.edu alt.rave:6111 From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) Subject:Re: Rave or Tec Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 22:36:16 GMT Message-ID:<1993Jan19.223618.9344@rose.com> Date Entered: 01-19-93 17:25 Isn't it fun to state and restate our arguements in as many different forms as possible? :) Quoted From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) > > In article <1993Jan14.201738.12142@rose.com>, greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes: > |> > |> I don't think it's a good idea to advertise how at one with the scene > |> you are, since you've been around it for so long. Just from personal > |> observations, the typical net-raver (including myself) doesn't like > |> this kind of thing. Even if you don't mean it, it sounds as though > |> you are trying to make everbody else sound like some naive little herd > |> followers. > |> > Ahhh , the problem is ..... quite a lot of the people out there ARE > naive little herd followers ..... :-) > (yourself and some others not included) [ Some of you might find this boring or meaningless, those people can skip these paragraphs ] Well, here's the deal: I am one of three ravers in my school. I act differently from most of the people, and I wear different clothes. So I consider myself to be pretty much my own person. However, there may be a time when everybody else decides that raves are 'cool', and they all adopt various outlandish styles because of this. Some of them may take a tip from me, or a 'raver' they see on a television show. As much as I would feel cheated by all that, the only person to whom I could justify my legitimacy to, would probably be myself. There is no real way to convince everybody that you started the whole trend, or that you were one of the original members of the culture. Yeah, I don't mind the idea of commercializing raves, but if it becomes overly TRENDY, that's another story. I mean, doing it not because you like, or believe in the whole thing, but because everybody else says that it's 'cool'. I don't want to discourage others from joining in, but I would hope that I (or anyone else, for that matter -- even you, Mr. Q :) could introduce them to the ideals that go along with this whole thing. By that I mean (for some) anti-violence, mind-expansion, acceptance of others, etc. etc. etc. So far, the most of the newer ravers at my place of study have all been shown what these things are about by me. Maybe some of you would rather shoot yourself in the foot than have a rave full of mes, but it's probably better than the violence some of us are seeing. Of course, you can't keep something like the whole rave scene in your pocket for long... > |> Sometimes the vibe you get at hardcore-only raves (I mean >140BPM) is > |> not of anger release, but energy release. You have to distinguish > |> between the two, because they are very different. Listening to music > |> while pounding the shit out of a person is anger, while dancing hard > |> and jumping around is pure energy. > > I'm an intellegent guy , I can distinguish between the two .... the > problem is , I smile when I'm having fun , I don't bare my teeth and start > pogo-ing up and down like a wild animal , but HEY , who am I to insult animals > .... ;-) Yeah ... humans are animals too. :) > Quite a lot of , as you say , 140BPM Hardcore is quite decent , and I > daresay that where you are from , the crowd who listen to it are nice folk :-) > Evidently a lot nicer than the people you've had experience with... > > |> Comments like these will only serve to generate angry replies -- you > |> know this, I'm sure. :) > |> > > I'm scarred for life man , scarred for life :-) > By the way , if there was an alt.house group , life would be dull , and I > wouldn't BE able to make these comments/insults ! > Thats right. One of the many points of raving (I should publish a list) is to have fun. And we're doing that. Others are taking this a bit too seriously, don't you think? :) > > Stephen Quigg > squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk > British Telecom , Group Software Engineering and Development > (Disclaimer : I once met a lawyer in a pub .... ) > greg.ipp@rose.com / rev@cibbs.uucp --- RoseReader 1.70 R001297 RoseMail 2.00 : RoseNet<=>Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ banging on fenceposts banging in the night Peace and Loveism... --Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 24-JAN-1993 18:44:16.43 From: "Mr. SparklE" Subject: Re: Door Policys at Clubs [Was Re: Rave or Techno?] X-VMS-News: eagle.wesleyan.edu alt.rave:6099 From: steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Stephen Hebditch) Subject:Re: Door Policys at Clubs [Was Re: Rave or Techno?] Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:03:59 GMT Message-ID:<1993Jan19.150359.986@orbital.demon.co.uk> The original acid house scene back in around '88-'89 was in part a reaction against the door policies in clubs at the time. Instead of having to dress up in the appropriate style for wherever you were going to and hope the guy(s) on the door liked the look of you, you just turned up at a party in whatever you felt comfortable to dance in. Back at the early ones I went to, you got a really good mix of people just having a good time with practically no problems at all. Even the sort of people you'd expect to find kicking someone's head in after the match on Saturday would be into it, which is about the time most writers start getting into the Second Summer of Love bit. :-) Exciting new music, a lack of alcohol and a fair proportion of people out of their heads on E all played their part. I haven't been to any big raves since '89, but people I know who have seem to reckon that it started to go wrong in 1990. The Government's new laws aimed at clamping down on pay parties moved many events to big leisure centres and so on, where people would get pissed (err, drunk for American readers) before they went, whereas before alcohol wasn't the thing to drink and anyway you needed to be sober to work out the route to the party via 3 intermediate meeting points and 5 telephone information lines. :-) The need to keep within the law meant an end to most of the smaller and more interesting promoters and an increasing commercialisation. Drug dealers started targetting raves more, and cutting the relatively safe MDMA with all sorts of other nasties. BPMs began to get faster and more into hardcore territory, making raves more young male oriented. The crossovers into the pop charts and its acceptance by the tabloid press put the final kiss of death on rave's credibility. On the whole raves ceased to be a fun night (and morning) out. As a result, most of the action is now back in the clubs again. Apart from a few 'rave' events in clubs, door policies are a fact of life once more. To me they seem slightly more relaxed than those before acid house began (those horrible suburban "smart dress please, no jeans or trainers" soul clubs frequented by the sort of people you now find at raves). They're not perfect, but at least the people on the door can decide they don't like a group who look as though they might spoil the atmosphere, whereas you can't really do that if they've forked out 25 quid in advance and are brandishing their tickets. There are still good, small underground raves going on, but even the better techno events seem to be in clubs these days and that's where it seems the real fans can be found. House has taken over again as the big thing, though how long progressive house is going to remain credible I dunno... There's always this pull between the real music fans, the bandwagon-hopping trendies and the mass public. Even if it's still the same basic music, you have to keep changing things slightly to keep things fresh and outside the mainstream. I think all that wurbling sort of makes sense. If it doesn't then put it down to me only getting 3 hours sleep last night. :-) -- Stephen Hebditch TQM Communications steveh@orbital.demon.co.uk +44 836 825962 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ banging on fenceposts banging in the night Peace and Loveism... --Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: weekends of the mindstream... Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:08:10 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i never did post a review of last weekend, mainly because afterwards i was so exhausted and drained, and coming down with the flu... (which i still have, thanx 2 this weekend's wonderfulness...) last weekend was awesome...hanging out in my room last friday night, john shiple, his roommate, donato, jesse, and I jam to old fav.'s on the stereo. craig calls to say hi to everyone, and we trade thoughts on the planned PRE-WONDERLAND CYBERTRIBE GATHERING... john can't go, so Jesse, Donato, and I head off to do the RISE thing. biggest line i've seen there since november. we wait about an hour to get in, but that night was awesome. aside from the love of my life dumping me and acting like she didn't even know me (women...), it was an amazing night. Dave McMahon, John Adams, and Laura were all there! Yes, some how someone managed to drag me away from my speaker (and I'm glad they did!) so I could se Laura! The only other time we'd met was for about 30 seconds at LIFE... MAYHEM rocked, as always, MGee played _Hard Floor Accperience_, the acid jam that takes you to the gates of hell's ecstasy... OVERLOAD played an unbelievable set, and played my request for _Kinetic_! The last set ended. bliss. silence is deafening. people leave. but, i like hanging around, just enjoying the afterglow...suddenly, the lights go off again! an MC advertises SENSORIUM, and the most insane acid/hard-motherfuckin'-core blazes. be throbbing feet go numb, and i no longer feel any pain. only searing energy...two song set the likes will never be equaled. the lights go on again, and the MC asks the 25 people left in the room if we are going to SENSORIUM. after a very positive cheering and whistle blowing session, another set is played. groovy, funky disco. a wonderful evening. bliss-filled, beaming smiles for everyone!!! Jesse's first time at RISE turned out to be a great one. I finally got Donato to stay with me till the end... :) waisted, we make our way back to my humble abode, and travel to slumberland on the mindstream of KLF's _Chill Out_ (the definition of the phrase...) we had arranged to sleep till 4pm, to allow for travel to Long Island, but we are so tired that we sleep in 'till five or six, to the mad ringing of the phone... everyone was calling me! (it was a very frantic time...groggy...soor...aches...don't want to get out of bed..."donato- you take your shower first, i need just a few more minutes of sleep...) phone ringing off the hook. friends from california calling randomly, Marty calling, asking for a ride to ESSENCE (what am I, the booking agent around here!?). Marty calling again, do we have room for Michelle, too? (the love of my life, the bitch. some nerve...). Ciamac calling from New York, can we pick him up? Ciamac calling again, can we pick up Chuck (revar), too? (I haven't read my e-mail yet, life sucks.) Christa shows up with her boyfriend, Slasher... ("Hi, i'm Shannon"..."Slasher." ooooookaaaaaay.....) Christa's roommate isn't coming. another seat open... Dwein finally shows. everyone acounted for? alright. I call Marty back... get your and Michelle's butts over here. my room is packed to the gills. introductions, planning, stresssssss..... (hugs? thanks? nooooo...) I call C back in Queens: we'll pick you and chuck up at your house. Everything's set. Donato, Jesse, Dwein, and I, in the firebird. (makes sense, right? all the tallest people go all in the smallest car? don't look at me...) Christa, Slasher, Marty, and Michelle, in Christa's plush...comfy...roomy sedan. the plan says we go to C's, where Marty will make a call and Marty and Michelle will ride from Queens to the venue site with Marty's friend...that way, we'll have room to take Chuck and Ciamac? brilliant. C calls back just before we leave: Chuck's already got a ride. oooookaaaay... we grab some eats, and aaaawaaaay we go... on the way there, donato jerry-rigs his tapedeck into actually playing a tape... PHAT breakbeats from deiselboy! DAN-I WANT A COPY! also, unbelievable acid from a comp called Trezor-Berlin. STEELY!: I WANT THIS TOO! it's a loooong drive. we stop at a burger king on the way for breakbeat microrave in the muddy parkinglot, hot frenchfries, and icey twisty slides! fun playground! Michelle smiles in my direction...right. bitch thinks my heart is a rubik's cube... and she's having a ball with it. bitch. if hurt is all that sensitive guys get, maybe i'll take up heavy drinking as a pasttime... we pick up Ciamac and head for raving country... the directions are very clear. no troubles. i'm intensely psyched up. bouncing now. shit, deiselboy kicks ass hard! donato, jesse and i try to find a store to get some water and vapo-rub. none to be found. this is the boonies. strip-malls that close at 4 in the aftrnoon is all to be found. we head back to the mob waiting to get in. the merge in with traffic technique works like a charm, and we're in in no time. i like it all ready. very organized. clean. snack bar, tables, tv...i look out the tinted glass onto a vast open darkness, searing with sweeping intellabeams. i am in awe. this is such a cool space. we walk down stairs and out onto the field. we're among the first fifty people on the field. ecstacy hits my ears. no time to put down my bag. James Christian spins the most incredable opening set i've ever heard in my life! big hugs from an already sweaty Leland, my speaker-hugging companion. face to the drivers. i lose control of my senses... stars of the night: James Christian, Scott Henry, and Wink. Others, but i forget...that was LAST week, afterall... mulling about during hard core sets, Leland introduces me to OVERLOAD. name's shawn. nicest guy in the world. big grin all the time, looks like he's a fourteen-year-old with a new bicycle. all i get in is my name, before he exclaims: "hey! i know you! i played _kinetic_ for you at RISE last night!" i'm in heaven. this is so cool. we all buddy around for a while... "I need your lovin'... like the sunshine..." Leland and I take one look at eachother...DJ Seduction!...and run, no i mean RUN! from the hockey-rink all the way through the crowd to the stacks, just as the raw-as-living-hell breakbeat hits. this is what i am here on the planet for... "...everybody's gotta learn sometime...one! two! three! four! I need your lovin'...like the sunshine..." I love that song. the wonderful evening ends like a pulled power cord: "YO! muthafuckin' frankie bones in da houze! hard core, muthafucka! and if you don't like hardcoah, you can suck my fuckin' DICK!" (hate-filled frankie bones impersonation) what the HELL was he doing up there?!!! anway, it's not even light outside, and they're ending the rave, so that all the 'bones worshipers could drive out to Caffiene and pay MORE money, for time raving that should have been spent raving at essence! anyway, debo spins a very smiley-house last set with the lights on... I liked that effect very much... lot's of visible smiles, free drinks and food is handed out by the bucket-full. essence was worth the money...and the torturous ride back to boston. after picking up the fresh equipment from Ed, and breakfast at Marty's we head homewards. Taylor, Ed, Chuck, Mr. Sparkle, all the new faces! ...and everyone who made it happen (Donato and Christa): I love you all. putting faces to the usernames is such a trip! well, any half-way sane raver would have called it a night. but not us, my friends! Donato, Jesse, and I, decide to go stereo equipment shopping! no needles to be found, but Dan scored some V6's for a good price... back to my room, for hours of turntable madness... (we could only find one needle, so it was CD-turntable madness, fun none-the-less! We finally pass out around 4pm, with the rave-alarm set for 7... mixed feelings about SENSORIUM... the music was hype as phuckin hell, imean how can you go wrong with a line up like there was that night? but other things really sucked. too many randoms. too many muscle-flexing, groin-to-ass grinding, bare-chested muscle queens (there was no room to move around, with them flexing this way and that!) finally, around 5, things really cleared out, and it was familiar faces again... and we smiled and danced to the very end. Highlights of the night: i ask shawn (Overload) if he would play _age of love_, he grins and winks, just as he spins in a double gallon-spooging orgasm mix of _Age of Love_ into _Kinetic_! i was unstoppable. my organs left my body via the pores in my forehead, and my mind leaped inside the speaker. there is no way i can discribe hearing those two songs...together! let alone in the same set, let alone in the same night! i couldnt handle it. i just could not jump high enough, scream loud enough, orgasm long enough. later, when i go over to shawn to pay my respects and bow down on bended knee in worship, he says, totally matter-of-factly, big grin having never left his face: "Ya man, that was for you. I thought you'd get a kick out of it..." Truer words were never more understated. _Age of Love_ played for a second time, later in the night. my neck hates me still for what i did with my head that night. two words: Onions. Dante. fucking incredable. Dante's last song of the night: _Killer_ by SEAL. wow. lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: weekends... (sorry. this is the version i wanted to send.) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:14:58 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i never did post a review of last weekend, mainly because afterwards i was so exhausted and drained, and coming down with the flu... (which i still have, thanx 2 this weekend's wonderfulness...) last weekend was awesome...hanging out in my room last friday night, john shiple, his roommate, donato, jesse, and I jam to old fav.'s on the stereo. craig calls to say hi to everyone, and we trade thoughts on the planned PRE-WONDERLAND CYBERTRIBE GATHERING... john can't go, so Jesse, Donato, and I head off to do the RISE thing. biggest line i've seen there since november. we wait about an hour to get in, but that night was awesome. aside from the love of my life dumping me and acting like she didn't even know me (women...), it was an amazing night. Dave McMahon, John Adams, and Laura were all there! Yes, some how someone managed to drag me away from my speaker (and I'm glad they did!) so I could se Laura! The only other time we'd met was for about 30 seconds at LIFE... MAYHEM rocked, as always, MGee played _Hard Floor Accperience_, the acid jam that takes you to the gates of hell's ecstasy... OVERLOAD played an unbelievable set, and played my request for _Kinetic_! The last set ended. bliss. silence is deafening. people leave. but, i like hanging around, just enjoying the afterglow...suddenly, the lights go off again! an MC advertises SENSORIUM, and the most insane acid/hard-motherfuckin'-core blazes. be throbbing feet go numb, and i no longer feel any pain. only searing energy...two song set the likes will never be equaled. the lights go on again, and the MC asks the 25 people left in the room if we are going to SENSORIUM. after a very positive cheering and whistle blowing session, another set is played. groovy, funky disco. a wonderful evening. bliss-filled, beaming smiles for everyone!!! Jesse's first time at RISE turned out to be a great one. I finally got Donato to stay with me till the end... :) waisted, we make our way back to my humble abode, and travel to slumberland on the mindstream of KLF's _Chill Out_ (the definition of the phrase...) we had arranged to sleep till 4pm, to allow for travel to Long Island, but we are so tired that we sleep in 'till five or six, to the mad ringing of the phone... everyone was calling me! (it was a very frantic time...groggy...soor...aches...don't want to get out of bed..."donato- you take your shower first, i need just a few more minutes of sleep...) phone ringing off the hook. friends from california calling randomly, Marty calling, asking for a ride to ESSENCE (what am I, the booking agent around here!?). Marty calling again, do we have room for Michelle, too? (the love of my life, the bitch. some nerve...). Ciamac calling from New York, can we pick him up? Ciamac calling again, can we pick up Chuck (revar), too? (I haven't read my e-mail yet, life sucks.) Christa shows up with her boyfriend, Slasher... ("Hi, i'm Shannon"..."Slasher." ooooookaaaaaay.....) Christa's roommate isn't coming. another seat open... Dwein finally shows. everyone acounted for? alright. I call Marty back... get your and Michelle's butts over here. my room is packed to the gills. introductions, planning, stresssssss..... (hugs? thanks? nooooo...) I call C back in Queens: we'll pick you and chuck up at your house. Everything's set. Donato, Jesse, Dwein, and I, in the firebird. (makes sense, right? all the tallest people go all in the smallest car? don't look at me...) Christa, Slasher, Marty, and Michelle, in Christa's plush...comfy...roomy sedan. the plan says we go to C's, where Marty will make a call and Marty and Michelle will ride from Queens to the venue site with Marty's friend...that way, we'll have room to take Chuck and Ciamac? brilliant. C calls back just before we leave: Chuck's already got a ride. oooookaaaay... we grab some eats, and aaaawaaaay we go... on the way there, donato jerry-rigs his tapedeck into actually playing a tape... PHAT breakbeats from deiselboy! DAN-I WANT A COPY! also, unbelievable acid from a comp called Trezor-Berlin. STEELY!: I WANT THIS TOO! it's a loooong drive. we stop at a burger king on the way for breakbeat microrave in the muddy parkinglot, hot frenchfries, and icey twisty slides! fun playground! Michelle smiles in my direction...right. bitch thinks my heart is a rubik's cube... and she's having a ball with it. bitch. if hurt is all that sensitive guys get, maybe i'll take up heavy drinking as a pasttime... we pick up Ciamac and head for raving country... the directions are very clear. no troubles. i'm intensely psyched up. bouncing now. shit, deiselboy kicks ass hard! donato, jesse and i try to find a store to get some water and vapo-rub. none to be found. this is the boonies. strip-malls that close at 4 in the aftrnoon is all to be found. we head back to the mob waiting to get in. the merge in with traffic technique works like a charm, and we're in in no time. i like it all ready. very organized. clean. snack bar, tables, tv...i look out the tinted glass onto a vast open darkness, searing with sweeping intellabeams. i am in awe. this is such a cool space. we walk down stairs and out onto the field. we're among the first fifty people on the field. ecstacy hits my ears. no time to put down my bag. James Christian spins the most incredable opening set i've ever heard in my life! big hugs from an already sweaty Leland, my speaker-hugging companion. face to the drivers. i lose control of my senses... stars of the night: James Christian, Scott Henry, and Wink. Others, but i forget...that was LAST week, afterall... mulling about during hard core sets, Leland introduces me to OVERLOAD. name's shawn. nicest guy in the world. big grin all the time, looks like he's a fourteen-year-old with a new bicycle. all i get in is my name, before he exclaims: "hey! i know you! i played _kinetic_ for you at RISE last night!" i'm in heaven. this is so cool. we all buddy around for a while... "I need your lovin'... like the sunshine..." Leland and I take one look at eachother...DJ Seduction!...and run, no i mean RUN! from the hockey-rink all the way through the crowd to the stacks, just as the raw-as-living-hell breakbeat hits. this is what i am here on the planet for... "...everybody's gotta learn sometime...one! two! three! four! I need your lovin'...like the sunshine..." I love that song. the wonderful evening ends like a pulled power cord: "YO! muthafuckin' frankie bones in da houze! hard core, muthafucka! and if you don't like hardcoah, you can suck my fuckin' DICK!" (hate-filled frankie bones impersonation) what the HELL was he doing up there?!!! anway, it's not even light outside, and they're ending the rave, so that all the 'bones worshipers could drive out to Caffiene and pay MORE money, for time raving that should have been spent raving at essence! anyway, debo spins a very smiley-house last set with the lights on... I liked that effect very much... lot's of visible smiles, free drinks and food is handed out by the bucket-full. essence was worth the money...and the torturous ride back to boston. after picking up the fresh equipment from Ed, and breakfast at Marty's we head homewards. Taylor, Ed, Chuck, Mr. Sparkle, all the new faces! ...and everyone who made it happen (Donato and Christa): I love you all. putting faces to the usernames is such a trip! well, any half-way sane raver would have called it a night. but not us, my friends! Donato, Jesse, and I, decide to go stereo equipment shopping! no needles to be found, but Dan scored some V6's for a good price... back to my room, for hours of turntable madness... (we could only find one needle, so it was CD-turntable madness, fun none-the-less! We finally pass out around 4pm, with the rave-alarm set for 7... mixed feelings about SENSORIUM... the music was hype as phuckin hell, imean how can you go wrong with a line up like there was that night? but other things really sucked. too many randoms. too many muscle-flexing, groin-to-ass grinding, bare-chested muscle queens (there was no room to move around, with them flexing this way and that!) finally, around 5, things really cleared out, and it was familiar faces again... and we smiled and danced to the very end. Highlights of the night: **i ask shawn (Overload) if he would play _age of love_, he grins and winks, just as he spins in a double gallon-spooging orgasm mix of _Age of Love_ into _Kinetic_! i was unstoppable. my organs left my body via the pores in my forehead, and my mind leaped inside the speaker. there is no way i can discribe hearing those two songs...together! let alone in the same set, let alone in the same night! i couldnt handle it. i just could not jump high enough, scream loud enough, orgasm long enough. later, when i go over to shawn to pay my respects and bow down on bended knee in worship, he says, totally matter-of-factly, big grin having never left his face: "Ya man, that was for you. I thought you'd get a kick out of it..." Truer words were never more understated. **_Age of Love_ played for a second time, later in the night. my neck hates me still for what i did with my head that night. **two words: Onions. Dante. fucking incredable. Dante's last song of the night: _Killer_ by SEAL. wow. **Watching Dante groove quietly to himself during Onionz set. **seing overload's grinning facebouncing up and down, when i turned around to catch a breath at one point during _Hard-Floor Accperience_ lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravenlightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tribal, Trance, Breakbeat, Dub, and Ambient- Music for the mind, brothers and sisters... [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 03:28 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Journey to the Warehouse << Journey to the Warehouse >> I don't want to make an incredibly long post, but I have to share my experience with you all. This was definitely the BEST rave I've ever been to. The vibe was unparallelled, and the music was awesome. First, thanks to Rob and Todd for the ride! My car is in the shop and without them I wouldn't have been able to make it! We got there around 11:30. The directions were concise, and we arrived without a single wrong turn. They had a private lot to park in which was very nice. We walked around some building until we came to the warehouse where the Rave was. NO LINE! First of many pleasant surprises. We got right in out of the cool air and scoped out the place. They had probably 8-12 goldscans and some strobes.. great lighting if you ask me. They had an oil projection behind the DJ.. I know it's old but it's really cool. The turntables were suspened by cables from the ceiling... I didn't hear too many skips during the night. The speakers were adaquate, but the left side went out a few times during the early part of the morning. I spent the first part of the time in the Chillout room where I saw Bobble. I gave him a record (Flux) and he said thank you. To my surprise, he played it at the end of his set! That really started my vibe going. When his set was over, I slipped back into the main room where Dave Trance was spinning some deadly-vicious trance. I danced for about an hour and headed over to get a smart drink. Tangerine.. yummy! The girl was very friendly, too. And only $3! (That would be the drink, not the girl.) I didn't quite notice what brand she was using, but it was tasty and did the trick. After Dave Trance's set, someone else came on whom I don't remember. The music was good, but in my opinion not as good as Dave's. I took this time to wander around the building and make new friends, check out the T-Shirts, etc. There was a really nice guy there selling insence (sp?) and scented candles. Then I went back into the chillout room to see what was going on in there. Just before 5am I headed back into the main room to find.... DANTE!!!! YES! Finally (damnit) I get to see this guy spin from start to finish. I wanted desperately to see him at Liquid Holiday (Liquid Holocost for me) but it got closed down WAY before he got to play. I understand he played later on, but I was at home sleeping by then. Dante's set was AWESOME.. need I say more? The music just flows out of this guy. I was amazed at how comfortable and calm he was behind the turntables.. very smooth. Before his set I waved an NE-RAVES sticker from behind the fence and he came running out to meet me and Rob. I gave him a record, too, and he was very grateful. What a hell of a nice guy!! If anyone sees him anytime soon please tell him it was definitely a pleasure meeting him. After Dante's set, Bobble followed up with an excellent set mostly in the same style. We left about 7:30 with the music still ringing in our ears. Definitely the BEST rave I've been to, ever. I know I haven't been to as many as some of you, but this definitely got me in a good mood for the rest of the week. Now for some more sleep. Eric_McCormick@MCIMail.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 23:32:01 PST From: "Pat Dote" hokay - my trip to LA this weekend: i went down with my buddy jim and his new special friend mimi to stay at his aunt/s house in beverly hills (actually harrison ford/s old house which she bought when she sold her old house to jack nicholson/s daughter when her ex husband stole all this money to do the cocaine he started doing by not paying his taxes and then nicholson/s daughter had a house warming party AND THE GUY who catered the alcohol had a heart-attack on the front door step, split his head opened and died - i love LA).... we drove a 86 buick skylark that had this weird feedback in the stereo system particullarly well suited for acid house.... which i furnished... Friday night: learned that the FBI probably shot MLK from bushes near the hotel and that sheep farmers in new zealand attach rubber banded spike circles to the testicles of male sheep which pinch so tight that in three weeks the testicles drop off. i love la. we went to Blak & Blu/s Unity Groove. sucked. i want LA to get over the 70/s / prince/ hip-hop mix..... the other room was hardcore techno.... it and the crowd/s medium age was 16 with attitude... i think the DJ put chime on 45 to mix it in for a few moments and then thought better about it - but then again my copy of chime is 45 so i dunno.... i hope it wasn/t the record... then we went to more and they wouldn/t let us in til 3am so my friends lammed and we went to bed hey what/s the difference between progressive house and gerh-raj (gerage - but i/ve only heard british people use the term)? Saturday: record shopped on Melrose (yeah.....) disapointed at the R&S compilation and shut-up and dances new single (not shine-eye), tried to convince someone not to buy the new sandals single and instead buy the kenny dope cut gunshot that uses the same loop. but they weren/t having any of that.... Saturday night: went to Candelabra in a very underground space with tony largo and some guy from detroit who i was psyched to hear. phat music, but we here in the bay area are spoiled about how good are Djs are cause the only la dj i]ve heard who/s mixing is strong is Doc Martin.... the crowd was more clubby than ravey, but we had phun til someone put gum in jim/s hair, and then we went home and watched star wars til daybreak.... Sunday: Jim/s senile grandmother scolded me for being evil incarnate cause we were 20 minutes late to brunch at 11am. in fact, if it wasn/t for me, we would never have made it, but oh well, once she gets an idea in heard..... new labels i like - kaledioscope and ESP/ Go Bang new name for the house music i like: runway house (as in gianni versace/s runway) 1. live in la, have an attitude, that/s the law 2. live in la, have good pectorals, that/s the law whoooooo-hooooooooo pat To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sine path square field Subject: roland FAQ part.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:45:37 EST i have to make some corrections to this, but this will give you a general idea... this is gonna be long as hell, so if you are not interested in old roland equipment just hit "N." thank you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the definitive guide to old roland instruments plus some more..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is a large list of every roland instrument that came before and after MIDI. it also contains stuff that is relative to it, the structure of the instrument and how much it will cost you, as well as its use and availability. i wish to credit my good friend, bandmate and roommate titonton duvante for helping me with some information as well as james towning... here we go: the sh-0x series ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the sh-0x series were the line of keyboards that roland first sold. they came out in the late 70's and they were basically just synths. they were usually half size (two octaves) and they had an odd configuration of knobs and some switches. no polyphony, and of course not multitimbral. this is the closest thing to the moogs that were coming out at the time (except more condensed and not made of wood.) what i hear is that the circuitry for a sh-09 is similar to that of the 808. these synths usually have a control voltage/gate input from any external synth or sequencer of sorts. the "sh" stands for synth, if you were wondering. the sh-01 is closest to the sh-101 (more on this readily available synth later) except there is no pitch lever (i think) and it has the ability to generate pink and white noise, which very few synths have now.. it has a VCO (voltage controlled oscillator), a VCF (voltage controlled filter), and a VCA (voltage controlled amplifier), as well as i think an envelope follower. i would suppose that this synth would be in the neighborhood of $100-200, but seeing as it is EXTREMELY rare to find these (ie i have never ever seen them for sale anywhere) then they might be more. this is a small synthesizer and it can be used to generate the classic "LOW BASS" sounds as well as a lot of percolating random noises. some people like to make pads and simulations of string synths with it by setting the attack a little slower and turning the frequency cutoff down a bit. other synths in this category are the sh-05, sh-07, and sh-09 (as far as i know.) the uses for the others i assume would be slight derivitives of the sh-01 but since i haven't seen any around then i wouldn't know for sure. the modular series (roland system x00-M series) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the roland modular series were two sets that i know of off hand: the modular system 100-m and the 700-m. the M stands for modular. these synths were modular in the way that a lot of moog equipment once was: small modules of filters, oscillators, amplifiers and envelope followers that you could stack together and connect via patch cords. you could then control the sound by using a CV/gate keyboard output into the modular system as a tone module. one thing about this is that i think roland allowed people to make their own modules to work with this so you could modify it to your personal needs. you could add a few more knobs to your envelope follower, and so on.. i think that the basic system was a VCO, a VCF, a VCA, and an envelope follower. i don't know if they included multiples of the modules as a "system" per se... this is about all i can say about this instrument. i would jump shit if i had one but i do not have the money to get one right now and i am interested in other stuff more than this. there was a System 100-m for sale for $490 on rec.music.synth this week. the almighty (x)0(x) series (sh101, mc202, and tb303) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ this is part of the very famous roland equipment series. most all of these synths (and deritives thereof) are utilizing the same circuitry as each other with minor sound modifications. here we go here we go here we go here we go.... sh-101: this two octave digital/analog hybrid synth is pretty popular. it features everything that the sh-01 did except it is not switchable from white to pink noise. it has a pitch/modulation lever that can trigger the LFO to modulate the sound as well as an external modulation grip. this grip is just a small wheel on a grip that just does the modulation and nothing else. you can attach a strap to this and the other side to wear the 101 (wweeee!!) like a guitar. it came in several colors of grey, blue, red, and purple. i have also heard of a white one but i am not sure. i suppose you could spray paint it if you wanted to. when i say it is a digital/analog hybrid, i am refering to the fact that the clock in it is run digitally. the difference between running a clock digitally and analogally (?--> haha) is that the waveform's oscillation peak points are what triggers it. this is not the most dependable way of timing as interferences and all kinds of fun stuff can fuck it up. the digital clock on it should make it more dependable and have it not fluctuate. this has cv/gate in and out 1/8th jacks. also, there is a modification that you can add a modification to allow a line input before the VCF and you can shape your line input with the 101's controls (frequency cutoff, resonance, modulation, etc..) e-mail me for details. there is a small battery inside the 101 that stores your 99 note sequence. there is a hold function which holds the note that was last played. there is also an arpeggiator that can can go up or down or both. (like philip glass type stuff.) the waveforms can be from a sawtooth, a square, a noise, or a random wave. like the sh-01, the wavelength distances can range from 16-2 feet (very low frequencies to very high frequencies.) there is a noise generator that just adds noise to whatever you are playing.. you can usually find these from $65-200. they have always been easy to find. just look at pawn shops and shit.. of course, i traded a bass guitar for mine last year in october. the mc-202 the mc stands for microcomposer. and that is just what this little angel does. except, i never use it that way (too much of a hassle.) i call it my little angel because this thing produces the deepest, roundest bass that i have ever seen. i love it to death.. can;t wait to MIDI it! anyway, this machine has basically the same circuitry again as the sh-101 and sh-01 synth, minus the ability to go to different waveforms. i think it is stuck with a square wave, maybe, maybe a sawtooth. it doesn;t do as much as the 101 does but i think it makes up for its bass sounds. i think of it as my bass machine. the intentions for the product were supposed to be that you would write an entire song on it (in step time, of course) and then you could play it back and change the tempo, portamento, accent, and all. you could save your songs to tape and also load them from tape as well. there was also a two channel mode which allowed you to record one channel then i think record another channel. so the machine was two note polyphonic (more than one note) it had a 5-pin sync jack in and two sync outs. unreliably, you start and stop sequences and even drum patterns from the 303 and 606, even the 808 i assume. there are also cv/gate in and out jacks. this is good because playing the small buttons on the 202 can be a pain in the butt. ugh... btw, this machine i think was made in 1981 or 1982, maybe 1983. these have been rather hard to find. i got mine from analogics in ne ohio through a phone call, basically asking him what he had. i took the 202 last january for what i thought would be a replacement for a non-existant 303 at them time. i got it for $175. i saw it later at rogue for $80. then i never saw one again. as far as i know, me and dan curtin are the only two people in ohio that use a 202 in techno. the tb303 bassline i assume that the tb stands for something like, "the bassline" or "tone bass." whatever the case, this is also called the acid machine...etc. it was used in the later 80's house music (phuture, adonis, derrick may) and this is what the drug acid would have sounded like. this, along with the 808, 909, and 106 is probably one of the most famous machines that roland ever made. the heart of the 303 is the square/sawtooth wave. it has 6 knobs at the top of the machine to control this wave (tuning, frequency cutoff, attack, resonance, decay, and accent.) the wave is switchable from square to sawtooth wave. there are no lfo's or noise filters or anything. the 303 is run by what i think is a DCO-->digitally controlled oscillator. i think actually all of these machines are run by DCO's but anyway, this is the "computer controlled" sequencer of the machine. you can store 64 patterns, which are split into 4 groups and then each group has 8 patterns each on A and B. you can also tie 4 patterns together to make a song. you must program the pattern in (again!) step time (ugh!) with rests (no sound), staccato (moving at the tempo of the click), and legato (extending through several clicks.) i have arbitrarily programmed my 303 from the start and i will continue to do so. i usually just piss around with it until i find something that i am happy with (which is usually the case.) when you are in the write mode of the 303 you can hit pitch and then hit tap. this will let you hear the notes in the sequence one by one. as you keep hitting tap you can hit slide or accent and this does the really fucked up slides and accents that orbital uses as well as all the acid stuff and all. the 303's intentions were to simulate a bass guitar. somehow i don't really see this being as natural as a bass guitar. i think it is more like an electronic bullfrog or some percolating electronic coffee pot. weird. to find a 303 these days is a batch of good luck. i picked mine up for $100 at a pawn shop. they were asking for $150 but we couldn't get it to work at the store (heh heh) so i asked if he would take $100 as is. i got it home and later that day i had many basslines programmed. now, i have heard of people selling them for $75-350. the actual blue book price for this is << $35 >> but i am sure that people know that there is a demand for this machine, so they jack it up. i have to say, GOOD LUCK! there is no 404. i am making another file to post now about all the drum machines. sines -- ENHANCED (design/music)---> todd sines * 384 e17th ave, columbus, oh 43201 body release (techno)----| tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ANALOGUE heaven (m.list)-| 614.299.9529. work 614.294.7485 / 614.292.3219 sunrise (techno parties)-| fax 614.294.1885 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:46:41 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: trying to explain raves to outsiders hey, Recently over the past month or so since getting back to school, i've been faced with the question by other kids at my school about an interest they have in raves, and they want to go to one to see what they are like. I find it difficult to explain why i go to raves to the rave-illiterate. For example a recent conversation with two people: person #1"What do you do at raves?" me: "Well basically I like to dance the whole night. I look at dancing as an expression of myself, you know let youself free, have fun , and all that." person#2:"Well dancing could be fun for maybe an hour or two, but don't you get bored of it after a while?" me: "Well its more then just dancing its the whole atmosphere. its about an idea that all different kinds of people can come together and have fun and dance and get together. at raves there is no fighting but rather there is a positive feeling. person #2: "no fights?" and so on and so forth. Anyways my point here is that i was wondering two things. How do people describe their raving ways to other people who arn't ravers, and what type of raves do you think are the best to bring someone who hasn't ever been to a rave before? I kind of lean to the big events with thousands of people and the gimmicks(lasers, mind goggles, gyrobix,, etc...) is probably the best way to introduce one to the rave culture. i hope that they learn a little about the rave culture through going and experiencing then rather me trying to explain it. well guess thats bout it doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:20:32 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: roland FAQ part.1 Wow, you sure did your homework on that FAQ! BTW: I was trying to find out what happened to the 404. I have run across a former Roland employee on MIDIner (Fidonet) and they assured me that there WAS a 404. It was supposed to have been a polyphonic synth but there is some debate as to whether it was a limted edition item or if it was ever put into production. I am still researching this and I will let you know if anytthing else pops up. BTW: I ran across someone who SWORE that they saw a 404 in a pawn shop in Idaho.. Somehow I think this may have been an Elvis sighting. :) Raver909 In search of the rare 303 and the URF (Unidentified Roland 404). "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Roland FAQ part 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:21:13 EST And what about the SC, HS, SCC, JD, DM, FP, A and RD which are all series of Roland synths or digital workstation (in the case of the DM serie) or synth modules (like the SCC-55, SCC-1 etc...)? Also, what about the MT-32 and LAPC-1 and other variants? And the Roland Octapad? And their drumkits? And i almost forgot the D, M and S samplers... Plus probably a lot more that i dont know. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:34 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders Doug Z. asks: >How do people >describe their raving ways to other people who arn't ravers, Pretty much the way you did --> dance all night, really get into the music, see lots of friendly people, no club-like attitude, get the kind of bonding you get when you do all-nighters at school, fun fun fun. >what type of raves do you think are the best to bring someone who >hasn't ever been to a rave before? One that *you* like. If you can't get the vibe, and are having a bad time, how do you expect your rave-neophytes to get it? So if you see a rave by a promoter you trust, with a DJ list you like, and you feel all excited about it being a great event, then that's the one you should invite interested rave-newbies to. >I kind of lean to the big events with thousands of people and the >gimmicks(lasers, mind goggles, gyrobix,, etc...) is probably the >best way to introduce one to the rave culture. I think big events like that are fun, but to me they are merely just another form of entertainment, like going to a carnival or the like. I'm avoiding events like that right now, myself. The first rave I went to was pretty basic: it was in Baltimore, Scott Henry spun his ass off, and there were like 4 intellabeams and a smoke machine and that was it. I was totally hit with the intensity of the music, and with the feeling that everyone was finding something through the music (I later began to define this "something" as "the vibe"). I didn't know anyone there, but it didn't matter (until some idiot grabbed me and started to try that crotch-grid dance, I just looked daggers at him and walked off and danced someplace else). The most impressive thing for me was seeing everyone getting into the music and the dancing and not just standing around posing. >i hope that they learn a little about the rave culture through going and >experiencing then rather me trying to explain it. That's the only way they are going to find out. I don't think explaining it helps at all. I use the "oh my god I went out and had the absolute BEST time you HAVE to come with me next time it will be so much FUN" approach. So far I've only gotten one friend to go, but he loved it. I'd rather only bring one person and have them love it than bring lots (over a period of time) and have them not love it. You can pretty much tell who will like it --> if they get all excited and interested when you talk about the music and the dancing and the happiness and the fun then (even though they will express trepidation about staying up all night, or other things) then you can probably get them to go and they will get the point. But trying to explain raving might be overkill, and it might put people off who insist on fitting what you say into the preconceived notions they've developed via the media. Just grab 'em and bring 'em, don't try to explain. Tell them to dress comfy, bring water (and some tissues or toilet paper if you're inviting a female), and then just go and be happy. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:45:29 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: RY30: what do you think? i saw one new for $425 (same place had a DR-660 for $385 new). anyone used one? it takes additional wave cards, seems to have some nice features (a wheel that can control pitch or decay or etc etc) opinions? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Ultramarine Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:10:43 -0500 From: jshiple@media.mit.edu I highly recommend Ultramarine as well... It's right in between the Orb and Orbital... very nice... -j ohn [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: New York Times "hard-core" article Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:14:18 MST I'm curious what the ne-raves opinion is on the New York Time article on "hard-core". The writer addresses "hard-core" as a separate entity from techno and states that Messiah and Prodigy are prime examples. They show a picture from the Lemonlime Cafe of typical "ravers who enjoy 'hard-core'". They all looked rather cyberpunk and aggressive. The entire article looked like another example of clueless media in action, but I was wondering if you folks feel like the raves on the east coast are shaping into "Industrial II" or if you feel the luv-piece-oonity vibe is more present? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:40:15 -0500 From: jshiple@media.mit.edu I'm fortunate enough that my roommate is a fellow raver--though not as into everything as I--so that helps. Here's my situation. I have about 5 or 6 friends who like techno and get into it and have been to a rave or two...so they grasp what the scene is like. Anyways, when people ask me what "raves" are like, I (or we) first play them some techno music (a sampling of the different genres) to give them a feel for the music. Usually they've heard the music before (whether it's JB is Dead or Sesame's Treet), so they usually like what they hear. From there it gets a bit harder. My friends and I happen to be in the position that we have positions of power in my dorm's house government. So, we set up the parties, kind of delegate what money is spent on, and DJ for our dorm parties. So, at these dorm (kinda "fratty") parties, we play requests and such, but we also throw in some good classic (sometimes new) techno tunes. People really eat it up (esp. since a lot of the people are getting pretty wasted). My friends go nuts (usually it's I who am DJing) and other people see what they do and get into it even more. Later on in the party when people start to leave (and it's more the "hardcore" people (this does not necessarily mean drunk...)), I switch to a set of pure techno--kinda what a real "rave" would be like. There's the music, but there's also the vibe set up by my friends that kinda simulates what a small micro-"rave" would be like. And people really seem to like it--people ask me when I will be DJing at parties so that they can be there. Now these people may not wish to really get into the "rave scene", but at least they get a clue as to what it's like and I think they're getting a good impression. Basically, we kinda gradually educate people slowly over the course of the party... Hope this makes sense... -j ohn [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:40 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: toilet paper Pete asked me this privately, but I thought I'd anwer it publically: I suggested that Doug tell new female ravers to bring tissues or toilet paper with them, and Pete was baffled as to why a female would need tissue to dance. The answer is that we don't need it to dance, we need it to go to the bathroom. I have gone to many raves where there was not enough toilet paper stocked so that by the end of the night I'd be forced to drip dry, which works fine if you are a guy but not so wonderful if you a female. By bringing a bit of my own I ensure my own comfort. Also, I've been to a few raves where there were basically no bathrooms at all, and having the tissue makes answering the call of the wild behind a bush or a truck a lot easier. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:07 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: and we're living here in Allentown Friday afternoon I got the idea to drag Ed and Taylor up to Allentown, PA, and pay a visit to the Freight Yard, the club where our own DJ Mars spins techno every Friday along with his friend Geoff-E. So, we packed into Ed's dear Accord and made the 1 hour 15 minute drive from the New Brunswick area of NJ up to Allentown. We had no problems finding the club, it is at the end of an alley off one of the main drags through Allentown. There was plenty of parking, and wouldn't you know it but the famed white van containing Evan arrived just as we did. The club itself is very clean and pretty. Nice hardwood floors, clean bathrooms, basic lights, a pool table and a few video game machines. The dance floor (as defined by the positioning of the lights and speakers) is quite small compared to the rest of the club, however. When we arrived Geoff-E was spinning. He's just getting started, and has been working with Mars to get experience. I didn't watch him, but he was working off of two consumer-grade CD players with no pitch control and no cross fading. Basically, it was just flash cut to flash cut as far as DJing goes. Technically it worked okay, but I wasn't too hip to Geoff-E's taste in music --> sort of generic breakbeat and hardcore, nothing too inspiring or inventive. A few people danced, there was a very clubby feeling. Then Mars came on. He has to walk a thin line at the Freight Yard: if he plays anything too esoteric the owner has a fit, and since people out there haven't had a lot of experience with techno it takes a lot of what we tend to consider pop-techno to get people to the point where they'll hit the dance floor and move. So, Mars broke the night open with the infamous "O Fortuna." The floor exploded, which was good to see. He continued with a bit of breakbeat and some light hardcore, playing some well-known things along with some new stuff (even from Brooklyn). Most people stayed dancing, and things seemed to be going pretty well. Mars is no Dante --> it takes a LOT of practice to get there -- so of course he made a few minor mixing glitches. No one noticed except for the DJ cognoscenti and the club owner. This wouldn't have been a problem except the owner started chewing Mars out for it, which in turn made Mars even more edgy. The floor stayed full and kept moving, so I think it would have served everyone better if the owner had just kept his shirt on and waited to the end of the evening to say anything critical. About midnight Ed (DJ Slip from Ne-Raves) came on. He opened with Disintgrator's "Lock on Target," and the response was amazingly weird: some guy got really mad and started throwing things at the DJ booth, and all the "boys" on the floor formed a big circle, effectively forcing everyone to either watch them do their individual exhibition dances or to leave the floor. This really teed me off because I felt I had as much a right to a good spot under the lights and in front of the speakers as anyone else. When the circle got to the point where the guys were staring at each other to see who would dance next, I jumped in and started grabbing people who were just standing there and asking them to dance. No one would join me, so I just gave up, closed my eyes, and stepped off into a self-induced hardcore trance. Everyone must of thought I was insane because no one danced near me for about half a song. Then the circle boys decided to go back to their usual game, which was fine with me util one of them tapped me on the shoulder and then pushed me out of the circle. I know this whole episode is very un-ravey, but I flipped him off and stomped off to sit on the steps of the DJ booth. I was just so appalled by their complete takeover and dominance of the floor, and even MORE APPALLED by everyone's refusal to participate --> their contentedness to just stand there and watch. To me, raving is not about standing and watching, it's about participation and being in action and moving yourself beyond what you've been taught to think is rational (staying up all night dancing is not rational, dancing in any way you see fit without caring what other people think is not rational, enjoying yourself with abandon is not rational). Somehow this all lasted about 45 minutes, because the next thing I knew Ed had grabbed my hand and said "you don't look so happy" and walked me off to a corner so we could talk. It turns out that the owner saw people starting to leave around 12.30 (while Ed was spinning), and told Mars to get Ed off the turntables immediately. I guess the owner thought that Ed's music was driving people away, but Ed and Mars were playing pretty much the same stuff . . . I think it was a combination of the hour (12.30 is pretty much an hour of exodus in non-major-city clubs I've found) and the fact that you COULDN'T dance because of the circle jerks (ha ha) that was causing people to leave. At 1.00 am, even at 1.30, the place floor looked quite comfortably full, so I don't really know what the heck his problem was, espeically since prior to Christmas the draw for the club was only about half of what was there Friday. Mars came back and played some more stuff along the lines of what had been going on before, and then shifted gears through some happy techno-pop (Utah Saint's "Something Good") and settled down into some yummy trance ("Age of Love," "Stella," that new thing with all the pipes -- what is it, "Power of the American Native"?). It was about 1.40 and word started spreading that they were going to close early, before the usual 2.00. Why the ownder decided this I have no idea, since there were still a lot of people in the club and a lot of people dancing. Mars closed with that disco classic, Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive" and then the night was over. The owner split without paying Mars and the girls running the smart bar, so everyone was pretty pissed. Mars and the girls took off for New York City and NASA, and Taylor, Ed, and I headed home to the strains of Orbital's "Halicyon." My point of all this is NOT to dis Allentown --> Mars is doing the best he can to get things moving out there, and he has help from a lot of great people like Evan, Lee, and the rest of the Lehigh ravey bunch. The whole experience out there showed me how hard it must be to create a scene where none exists, and where no precursors like Industrial or Acid House existed. I know Mars wants to bring techno to the Lehigh Valley, but the real question to me now is does the Lehigh Valley really want techno? Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: toilet paper Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:21:51 MST > The answer is that we don't need it to dance, we need it to go to the > bathroom. I have gone to many raves where there was not enough toilet > paper stocked so that by the end of the night I'd be forced to drip dry, > which works fine if you are a guy but not so wonderful if you a female. Ai Yi Yi! Well, I guess this may happen when you're dealing with 1000+ people, but we've never failed to buy a 12 pack for any of our events. We even had to rent the toilets for one. I think organizers who don't think about bathroom needs and charge for water ought to be shot. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:34:51 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (psyche-out) Subject: Re: Roland FAQ part 1 Francis Dion writes in haste...... > And what about the SC, HS, SCC, JD, DM, FP, A and RD which are all > series of Roland synths or digital workstation (in the case of the DM > serie) or synth modules (like the SCC-55, SCC-1 etc...)? > Also, what about the MT-32 and LAPC-1 and other variants? > And the Roland Octapad? And their drumkits? > And i almost forgot the D, M and S samplers... > Plus probably a lot more that i dont know. I think what todd was getting at was to write about the older, analog machines. (pre-digital, pre-1986 let's say) Maybe the S-10 or S-50 and D modules are pre-86 but I'd hardly ever use them in techno (Okay, maybe the S-10 when I was desprate to store one or two more samples and the D-70 for big string patches a la the Cure) -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jesse Brook McCune) Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:45:15 -0500 (EST) yeah...I have the same problem...people ask me what I did over the weekend... I tell them I went raving...they say "You did what?...You went raving?..."... I try to explain to them what a rave is, etc...but basically give up and tell them I went dancing all night... I kinda get protective of the rave scene sometimes, so when people ask me about it, I don't tell them much, and if they say they want to go to one, I try to avoid the subject, unless they seem like the kind of person that would become a true raver...I kinda feel stuck, should I promote the scene so that it will grow, or should I shelter it to prevent it from deteriorating faster than it already is...? What do you all think of this whole situation...I know you have been in this position before...what did you do?... -jesse [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Roland FAQ part 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:18:19 EST Beyond the ultraworld of psyche-out: > > > And what about the SC, HS, SCC, JD, DM, FP, A and RD which are all > > I think what todd was getting at was to write about the older, analog machines . > (pre-digital, pre-1986 let's say) Maybe the S-10 or S-50 and D modules are > pre-86 but I'd hardly ever use them in techno (Okay, maybe the S-10 when I I have an HS-60 (pre 86) and is a digitally controlled analog synth, polyphonic with a dual bank of patches, and it definitely has heavy distorted acid sounds and stringy and dreamy and TR style analog percussions etc... Also the SC serie is from the same era. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:29 EST From: "Gar.Grannett" Subject: Hey, sign-me-on! Hope to hear from anyone..at: GGRANETT@MSU.EDU C' ya Gar Granett..... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: New York Times "hard-core" article Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:14:18 MST I'm curious what the ne-raves opinion is on the New York Time article on "hard-core". The writer addresses "hard-core" as a separate entity from techno and states that Messiah and Prodigy are prime examples. They show a picture from the Lemonlime Cafe of typical "ravers who enjoy 'hard-core'". They all looked rather cyberpunk and aggressive. The entire article looked like another example of clueless media in action, but I was wondering if you folks feel like the raves on the east coast are shaping into "Industrial II" or if you feel the luv-piece-oonity vibe is more present? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:57:48 -0500 From: mIkE rObErTs Subject: Re: New York Times "hard-core" article Fuck the New York Times. Aren't they the ones who printed something to the effect of: "MDMA will be the Crack of the 90's"? Also, I've never would consider Prodigy to be hard-core. the vibe will stay alive as long as the people wish it to be. I persoally have no interest in "industrial" at all. I think you hit it on the spot when you said, ".....another example of clueless media in action" Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:22 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: New York Times "hard-core" article >I'm curious what the ne-raves opinion is on the New York Time article on >"hard-core". The writer addresses "hard-core" as a separate entity from >techno and states that Messiah and Prodigy are prime examples. They show a >picture from the Lemonlime Cafe of typical "ravers who enjoy 'hard-core'". >They all looked rather cyberpunk and aggressive. > >The entire article looked like another example of clueless media in action, >but I was wondering if you folks feel like the raves on the east coast are >shaping into "Industrial II" or if you feel the luv-piece-oonity vibe is more >present? Oh what a laugh! Ed's friend Trish was telling me about this article yesterday. First of all, in the eyes of some of us (including me, an admitted, confrimed, hardcore techno kind of girl) the Messiah and Prodigy are hardly hardcore. Public service cartoon samples? Liz Frasier? Be real. The Messiah and the Prodigy are techno, and make good stuff -- that is not disputed -- but are not hardcore. Well, maybe "commercial" or "pop" hardcore. You've been reading the scene reports and babble from back here for months now, Pete, do we sound angst-ed out or lovey? How many times does Shalako, Taylor, or Doug use the word "love" in their descriptions? If anyone out here is angsted-out it's me, and that has nothing to do with the type of music I listen to. Even the hardcore out here is not as hard as it used to be. It's getting more melodic and acidic (like what a lot of us have been calling "good hardcore" for months now). There's only so much ear-splitting angst anyone can take, and my view is that we've gotten that out of our systems here. We still love the driving energy, but we don't need to be buzzsawed anymore (well, except for Groove's Cousin Sal, who seems to think that a spleen flensing is fun). Good ravey hardcore makes you energized and happy, it has hooks that make you love the music, it's got that big old 909 kick that makes you move. A few things off the top of my head: Disintegrator's "Lock on Target," Two Little Boys' "Stylophonia" (long used at Storm as the system-set-up-test-record), Kaos Theory's "Cygnus" (which mixes very well with Adam X vs. Audio Sex's "Weisbaden Attack"), Lunik's "Insane World." I see guys running around smiling and whistling to this stuff. This cute little Adam X disciple named Jeff from Brooklyn dances by and smiles and sighs "I love this stuff, I'm so happy." I run up and hug Ed or Taylor or whoever when a really good hardcore set gets started. I don't feel like we're angst-ridden at all. One think I've noticed is that hardcore is primarily a guy kind of thing. But then, raving seems to be pretty much a guy kind of thing. There are probably about 2 or 3 times more guy ravers around here than woman, and there are so few female rave promoters and DJs that I can name them all (Heather Heather [promoter], Sandra Collins, Jacqueline Christie, Suzie Cyclone, and Heather Heather [DJs]). Oh man, I've really digressed here. Ummmm........ oh yeah ........ Breakbeat and happy house are expanding in popularity here, and we have (as far as the usual psychick state of the east coast goes) a lot of the luv-piece-oonity vibe going for us. DEFINATELY not heading for "Industrial II." No way. Industrial never honestly got that big out here (New York City), anyway. When I lived in Texas in 1987/1988 Industrial was HUGE there (and New Beat, for some reason), but in New York it was ACID HOUSE. Now, there is a form of hardcore that has nothing to do with techno. See alt.music.hardcore or alt.rock.hardcore or whatever that group decided to call itself. Maybe the Times is just confused, or maybe the new hardcore kids as reported in the Times are just confused. The article also metioned the Utah Saints in it somewhere (or so I am told). Most famous for "Something Good," which *I* don't even consider to be techno. It's a great dance tune in the Euro-synth-dance tradition, but it isn't techno. Don't believe anything on raving you read in the New York Times unless it's written by Jane W. (oh crud, I forgot her last name, but I'm talking about really nice Jane who is revar [Chuck's] girlfriend). Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:39 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders >I kinda get protective of the rave scene sometimes, so when people ask me >about it, I don't tell them much, and if they say they want to go to one, I >try to avoid the subject, unless they seem like the kind of person that would >become a true raver. This is a hard line to walk. How do you really KNOW that someone will become a "true" raver, whatever that is? If we aren't careful this kind of thinking will start looking like snobbery and exclusiveness to non-ravers curious about what it is we do. I basically run the same story . . . was out dancing all night, but that's with people that I know from past experience don't share my enthusiasm for music and dancing. It's a lot easier with other music-head or dance-freak friends, that's for sure. I think thie best thing to do is to just talk until you see their eyes glazing over, and don't worry about what they think. Speak from your heart. They will either glaze over really fast, at which point you can excuse yourself from the conversation, or they'll get interested, in which case all you have to do is tell them when the next rave you're going to is and ask them if they want to come along. I think it's really important to extend an invitation, invite them along. That will make them feel wanted and welcome right away, not like they have to be a certain way to come -- and this could help to get them in the right frame of mind to really enjoy themselves. >..I kinda feel stuck, should I promote the scene so that it will >grow, or should I shelter it to prevent it from deteriorating faster than it >already is...? It seems to me that after you've told them all you can about it, if they don't want to go then they won't go so you don't have to worry about deterioration. Anyone who is interested enough in making the effort to go is a good candidate for bringing along. If they hate it they won't come back, so you don't have to worry about scene deterioration there, and if they love it then that's great. The absolute worst thing you can do is to try to do things to convince people to go. I've invited a good friend of mine who is a complete music-head to about 4 raves now. He keeps making up excuses for not going, so I figure if he doesn't have _whatever_ in him to make him get off his butt and come, then he just isn't interested and cajoling him to come will serve no one any purpose. >What do you all think of this whole situation...I know you have been in this >position before...what did you do?... I think you're a lot more worried about it than you need to be. If people see you being happy and sounding like you are having fun and loving it then that's the BEST explanation you can give anyone. From there it's up to them. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:52:39 -0500 From: Zach Eitzen Subject: Song IDs please OK, I have heard both of these al bunch of times so hopefully someone out there will be able to identify them. 1) Starts out with piano and female singing "I need you love... like the sinshine." 2) Breakbeat track that has A-Ha's "Take On Me" opening keyboard sampled. On circles: I have seen them a bunch of times too and at Club Orpheus/ Citrus Club whenever one forms the DJ comes on the mike and tells them to break it up so that everyone has room to dance "Or else I'll cut off the music." It works very well... Zach [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:23:40 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: New York Times "hard-core" article > From pashdown@slack.sim.es.com Mon Jan 25 13:23:34 1993 > The entire article looked like another example of clueless media in action, > but I was wondering if you folks feel like the raves on the east coast are > shaping into "Industrial II" or if you feel the luv-piece-oonity vibe is more > present? > "clueless media in action" is an understatement. Just the mere fact that they pointed out two projects that a) are at the top of the commercial heap when it comes to techno and b) are the farthest thing from hardcore techno is a clear example of that. The real underground hardcore scene enjoys the best hardcore from producers out of NY and Germany and most people not actively involved in the scene, and especially the mainstream media, doesn't have one fucking clue when it comes to what's really going on. (blah blah blah, we've heard it all before) I would hardly associate industrial music with hardcore techno. About the only thing they have in common is that they both sound good at high volumes. That sure doesn't make for any type of comparison. Hardcore is just another positive vibe, like house, or trance or breakbeat or whatever sends ripples of utter joy through your body and soul. I can rush off of a good hardcore vibe at a party. Industrial music never moved me the spiritual and emotional highs that I get from GOOD hardcore techno. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:07:16 -0500 From: mIkE rObErTs Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders It becomes even harder to explain to "older" people because of the drug culture that is involved. For example: my mom mention something to my uncle about me going to them and he replied," isn't that where they have tanks of N2O for people to get high on?" I basically replied," well, yea, but a lot of good comes out the entire scene, like a feeling of togetherness, unity, peace,"....etc. etc. .....and besides I love N2O :> Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sine path square field Subject: Re: Song IDs please Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:22:43 EST >>From Zach Eitzen: OK, I have heard both of these al bunch of times so hopefully someone out there will be able to identify them. 1) Starts out with piano and female singing "I need you love... like the sunshine." >>>>>> i only know this one> it is "i need your love" by NRG. there are at least 3 versions of this record on CHILL records UK (yellow label, black hole sleeve; glossy black sleeve with white letters; glossy white sleeve with black letters) and now there are some MORE remixes of it on yet another label (0f which i have forgotten...) you also might want to check out these if you like that: Twin Bass "daze of reality;" Open Skies "Open Skies EP;" 4 Hero "Tales from the Darkside EP;" Nebula II "I want you;" Rufige Cru "Darkrider EP;" SL2 "Drumbeats/SL ektro EP;" and Nu-Matic "Into a dream." sines -- ENHANCED (design/music)---> todd sines * 384 e17th ave, columbus, oh 43201 body release (techno)----| tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ANALOGUE heaven (m.list)-| 614.299.9529. work 614.294.7485 / 614.292.3219 sunrise (techno parties)-| fax 614.294.1885 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:16:40 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders > From laura@usl.com Mon Jan 25 16:55:05 1993 > I think you're a lot more worried about it than you need to be. If people > see you being happy and sounding like you are having fun and loving it > then that's the BEST explanation you can give anyone. From there it's up > to them. Exactly. My experience with this subject has never been to try to convince ANYBODY to go, but rather, like Laura said, tell them from your soul what you're doing and why your happy. I've just been so happy with the scene that I've told everyone and anyone who is close to me about it. Some snicker and don't care, some are impartial and some show an interest and ask me to take them. I've never once asked anyone to go. This way I can be more assured that people are going because they definitely want to be there. And, of course, these are the kinds of people we want there anyway. I've had really good responses from the 5 people that have asked about it and gone with me. Some have gone 2 or three or more times since. Most of these people are coming into it looking for the vibe more than the music. The music, initially, is secondary. But soon they learn! AAAAHHHHAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Techno is the ONLY way! Submit, submit and be a hardcore junky! dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:47 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders Mike wrote: >It becomes even harder to explain to "older" people because of the drug culture >that is involved. For example: my mom mention something to my uncle about me >going to them and he replied," isn't that where they have tanks of N2O for >people to get high on?" It amazes me how some "older" people think we are the first group of kids to have drugs and music at parties and then get so horrified about it. My dad pulled that line on me, and I said, "Hey dad, you know that jazz track 'The March of the Vipers' (I think it's an old Coltrane tune). Well, 'viper' was slang back then for pot-head. People have been doing drugs at parties for just about as long as there have been parties. I'm not saying what's right and what's wrong, I just don't think you should be so suprized to hear about it." Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:11:54 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Drugs and Music (was Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders) >It amazes me how some "older" people think we are the first group of >kids to have drugs and music at parties and then get so horrified about it. This weekend at Deep in Portland, I saw about 3-4 people who were clearly over 35 groovin' with the rest of us at 7 in the morning. I wonder how many more "older" people were there earlier. As far as drugs go, a 23 yr old FOAF shares some amazing experiences with MANY people 30, 35, 40 and older. I think it's inaccurate to say that "older" people have a problem with music and drugs and parties. Granted many of these people are older, but I think the proper term to describe them is UPTIGHT. The funny thing is alot of these UPTIGHT people used to do the same thing. Those people are called HYPOCRITES. Avoid these people at all costs. It's bad for your personal vibe. ;) dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: mccune@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jesse Brook McCune) Subject: Re: Drugs and Music (was Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:32:34 -0500 (EST) > The funny thing is alot of these UPTIGHT people used to do the same thing. > Those people are called HYPOCRITES. yeah, either that or PARENTS... Live on...love on...rave on... -jesse [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 15:37:41 PST From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Ultramarine > I highly recommend Ultramarine as well... > > It's right in between the Orb and Orbital... > > very nice... And in the same vein, I just picked up an import full-length CD called "Microgravity" by Biosphere, which is one of the guys from Bel Canto. It's soft semi-ambient trancy stuff -- good stuff to listen to after raving (or while debugging C code). [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: On hadcoah! Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:35:42 EST [Am i really slow or what! I just noticed that ne-raves pronounces as any raves] On Hardcore: First, Messiah is not in any way commercial techno. There is no such thing. Now, maybe a song can become real popular and then it is a "commercial success", but that doesn't make it commercial. People are so prompt to dish anything that gets approved by the silent majority that a lot of groups/dj/music/etc... get lost in time never to be heard of again. As an example of techno which has "commercial success" but has nothing to do with commercial music is 2 unlimited. In 1991, i was listening to a new break in techno music: Get ready for this that had a different sound from the normal belgian scene. Of course now, i'm tired of hearing it, but in no way i consider this a sellout or commercial techno. It was not the goal when it got out. So to consider messiah or prodigy commercial techno is even worse since not a single non-raver in Montreal knows Prodigy or Messiah. And i do consider them hardcore. So, as you can see, it's personnal. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:16:40 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders > From laura@usl.com Mon Jan 25 16:55:05 1993 > I think you're a lot more worried about it than you need to be. If people > see you being happy and sounding like you are having fun and loving it > then that's the BEST explanation you can give anyone. From there it's up > to them. Exactly. My experience with this subject has never been to try to convince ANYBODY to go, but rather, like Laura said, tell them from your soul what you're doing and why your happy. I've just been so happy with the scene that I've told everyone and anyone who is close to me about it. Some snicker and don't care, some are impartial and some show an interest and ask me to take them. I've never once asked anyone to go. This way I can be more assured that people are going because they definitely want to be there. And, of course, these are the kinds of people we want there anyway. I've had really good responses from the 5 people that have asked about it and gone with me. Some have gone 2 or three or more times since. Most of these people are coming into it looking for the vibe more than the music. The music, initially, is secondary. But soon they learn! AAAAHHHHAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Techno is the ONLY way! Submit, submit and be a hardcore junky! dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:16:40 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders > From laura@usl.com Mon Jan 25 16:55:05 1993 > I think you're a lot more worried about it than you need to be. If people > see you being happy and sounding like you are having fun and loving it > then that's the BEST explanation you can give anyone. From there it's up > to them. Exactly. My experience with this subject has never been to try to convince ANYBODY to go, but rather, like Laura said, tell them from your soul what you're doing and why your happy. I've just been so happy with the scene that I've told everyone and anyone who is close to me about it. Some snicker and don't care, some are impartial and some show an interest and ask me to take them. I've never once asked anyone to go. This way I can be more assured that people are going because they definitely want to be there. And, of course, these are the kinds of people we want there anyway. I've had really good responses from the 5 people that have asked about it and gone with me. Some have gone 2 or three or more times since. Most of these people are coming into it looking for the vibe more than the music. The music, initially, is secondary. But soon they learn! AAAAHHHHAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Techno is the ONLY way! Submit, submit and be a hardcore junky! dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:16:33 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders So nice to hear that "older" people are "older" than me! I'm 27 and I usually feel I'm the old man at the rave. ::) - fred wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:11:54 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Drugs and Music (was Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders) >It amazes me how some "older" people think we are the first group of >kids to have drugs and music at parties and then get so horrified about it. This weekend at Deep in Portland, I saw about 3-4 people who were clearly over 35 groovin' with the rest of us at 7 in the morning. I wonder how many more "older" people were there earlier. As far as drugs go, a 23 yr old FOAF shares some amazing experiences with MANY people 30, 35, 40 and older. I think it's inaccurate to say that "older" people have a problem with music and drugs and parties. Granted many of these people are older, but I think the proper term to describe them is UPTIGHT. The funny thing is alot of these UPTIGHT people used to do the same thing. Those people are called HYPOCRITES. Avoid these people at all costs. It's bad for your personal vibe. ;) dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 25 Jan 1993 19:38:42 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Ultramarine another note on the band BIOSHPERE (recommended by mike w.) true, this guy used to be the driving synth force behind BEL CANTO. he also put out a cd called "north pole by submarine" under the name BLEEP. this is a GREAT cd if you can find it. i guess it could be classified as newbeat/blipcore/acid. it's really tight..lots of analogy sounds...sooooper cool. i've been meaning to pick up BIOSPHERE myself, but am put back by the $27 price tag. arghh.. rave rave rave go go go >>taylor. [ s q u a r e w a v e f e t i s h t e a m ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:11:18 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: Drugs and Music (was Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders) I think those 35+ year old people you saw at Deep last weekend are the parents of a friend'o mine. she told me they had a great time + they put an ne-raves sticker on the back of their car :) doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving rave ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:03:58 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Spiral A t o m i c V i b e P r e s e n t s S P I R A L a mind bending trip underground Saturday Feb. 6, 1993 10pm av djs: Bobble, Who, Wash, Pegas, & LG Guest DJs: Debo (Boston) Rob Sherwood/Mike Filly (Cleveland) Frankie Hartung (Washington) Scott Henry (Baltimore) Tickets limited to 1500 $10 No Glass Tickets availabe at Modern Music: 410-523-1882 Music Now: 202-638-3272 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:04:44 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Journey to Warehouse Journey to the Warehouse was tricky to find. It was in a warehouse complex. Once we parked, I had to ask someone what warehouse the rave was at. The funny thing about arriving at raves around midnight is that even though you don't know where you are going there's cars ahead you and behind you who are going to the same place. Ravers are easy to spot on the highway...It a beat up car usually full of people wearing silly hats. If you think you're lost, just follow another ravemobile on the road. We (Eric McCormick, Tod van Ravenswaay, & myself) arrived around midnight. I did not know the first DJ who was spining some rather uninteresting Techno. He was followed by Repete. Someone stepped up to the mic and proceeded with a Frankie Bones-sytle introduction. At least it was shorter than a Frankie Bones-style introduction. Why is it that hardcore DJs need to introductions like WWF wrestlers? It was time to return to the chill out room. While I was waiting for the hardcore set to be completed, I stuck up some NE-raves stickers but they seemed to come down as fast as I could put them up. I won't go into much detail about the DJ's sets, but here's some general comments. Following Repete was Dave Trance. He played real long. I think it was two hours. I remember his set from Explorer I, and he was the best DJ there that night. I like to hear DJs a couple of times before I know whether they had a good night or whether they have talent. Dave Trance has talent. It was the best set that evening. He's in the major leagues of the east coast DJs. Denard came on after D. Trance. I was looking forward to his set because I liked his sets at the Explorer chill out room. However, he was disappointing at this rave. His breakbeat set was too sloppy and inconsistent. He lacked the groove that he had at Explorer. Dante came on around 5:30. There were technical difficulties during the first 20 minutes of his set. They had problems with the speakers, and this took alot out of the vibe. Once the problems were fixed, then Dante's set took off. As usual with his sets, they start slow then build and build. By the time he finished his set, everybody was up and raving. He finished by mixing the old disco song "We are Family." People were up waving their arms in the air, blowing whistles, and smiling from ear to ear. Definitly, the best vibe of the night. Bobble finished things up. Following Dante's set, I had peaked and could not rave as much. We left around 7:30. Overall, this was one of the best Baltimore rave. The space was good and so was the crowd. This rave reminded me of Catastrophic 4 (My choice for runner-up for the best rave of '92) for the same reason....Journey to the Warehouse was the rave where Baltimore discovered raving. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:01:25 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: On hadcoah! REPLY TO 01/25/93 15:54 FROM dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA "Francois Dion": On hadcoah! francis suggests: On Hardcore: First, Messiah is not in any way commercial techno. There is no such thing. *end francis* i would suggest there isn/t anything but sell-out techno... by its disposability and formulaic-ness it is the hyper codification of the trendy fad, in fact techno is so trendy it gets old b4 the song is even played out and the DJ just goes right into the next.... if you/re looking for the underground, this ain/t it i don/t think, certainly techno is a different sell-out then say the clash (although i never understood how the clash were sell-out since they started off saying that from day 1) or certainly than say NWA (they gave money to the republican party and other things) - notice i/m picking my sellouts to insure maximum possible flamage.... i don/t think the old definitions of {good music} or {no sell out} are where techno has its strengths, or where i locate my love for it - it is in the experience and intensity and the constantly moving attempts to tweak those two factors that techno is undeniably great, and it is the commercial successes thinness in not finding ways to add more intensity, but to play to the main stream (like madonna/s house or snap/s techno, or even quadraphonia) thinness of greatest common likeability. whoooo pat To: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:44:45 -0500 Subject: the weekend.... wowie zowie.... friday nite: me, jesse and john (crowley@wpi) take off for MIT. we pick up shannon and hit RISE. mayhem's usual spell-binding, loving house, scratching, wonderful set. and then it just got way too crowded (2-4am) .. so we chilled (literally) on the roof deck, and waited. question: who in hell was that woman calling on the cellular phone?!? (these people don't belong at vibe-gatherings). so we waited it out, and at 430ish, the crowd was smaller, and the music was groovy, and we got down funky. ended around 630 i think, after the DJ played "kinetic" for shannon :) saturday nite: me, john, shannon, ciamac, all set to hit DEEP (maine). but my car won't start !!!!! ahhh!! so we called jshiple in hopes of a ride. we begged, we pleaded, we offered an all-expense paid trip, and he said yes.. jshiple, you are a god, we worship you :) so we head for maine, where the ravers are ravers ! DEEP just might have been the best rave for me. INCREDIBLE. total vibe, ZERO hardcore, and zero ATTITUDE. i was in heaven. and Tin Tin, what an incredible set! what do you call that? break-beat noise? break-beat that gets into your head and blows it away? acid-breakbeat? whatever, it was intense! met the canadian-funky-vibe-crew! peace to you all! someone remind me next time not to stand in front of the speakers the WHOLE nite... :) the sun rose at 7ish thru the warehouse windows, over the cold maine ocean.. WOWIE! what else? i dunno.. i was just so happy.. everyone there was wonderful. oh yeah, after around 8ish, when it ended, some of those "older" folks (maybe those people you know, doug?) were giving out chocolate cake outside !! i didn't have any cuz i can't deal with chocolate in the morning, but it was great anyway! and my car is now fixed guys, so don't worry, RISE and wonderland coming up, and then next weekend metamorphosis, and then.... another great weekend in new england... not to flame, or get flamed, but i really dig the boston-maine-providence scene MUCH better than the NYC scene.. (of course, i've only been to 2 NYC events, so maybe i'm biased :)) keep on raving, keep on grooving ! donato [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: On hadcoah! Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:11:32 EST Beyond the ultraworld of Pat Dote: > > i would suggest there isn/t anything but sell-out techno... by its > disposability and formulaic-ness it is the hyper codification of the > trendy fad, in fact techno is so trendy it gets old b4 the song is > even played out and the DJ just goes right into the next.... I still listen to my old vinyls (and in fact, the older the techno, the better i like). It may disposable if you are looking at some newer stuff which focus on a particular sound or an oddity (chipmunks, reggae etc...). Myself (and if you got my top ten you'll agree), i got for the music and texture. It will annoy me extremely if i hear the same beat again and again. For example, the beat loop on blase' blase' by Snap, is also used on stretched on your grave by Sinead O'Connor and i'm not the man i used to be by the fine young cannibals. I have taken this example cause none are techno, but i also hear this loop in lots of techno songs, and it makes me say "not again!". Now this is a sellout. But take "overkiller" by adamski, for example (one of the song on my top): it is not a sellout, is still original and i could listen to it all night. (As in any music style moderation is the key). > if you/re looking for the underground, this ain/t it i don/t think, I know exactly what is selling or not (i work at a radio station you know) and so i get an idea of what is underground or not. Playing white labels or demo is where the underground is. But, each day i have the station director (well once a week) telling me: "Francois, ta musique est trop malade. Reviens un peu plus a ce que les etudiants veulent ecouter. Tu sais, Red hot chili pepers, Snap etc..." for the non franco-digging community: "Francois, the music you play is too fucked up. Put a bit more of what students want. You know, Red hot chili pepers, Snap etc...". So whatchathink? Is it like, dude, totally mainstream? NOT! (typical missisauga Ontario conversation, since the Wayne's world cult thingy (8 ). > i don/t think the old definitions of {good music} or {no sell out} > are where techno has its strengths, or where i locate my love for it In my case yes, and it is why i have different preferences than others. > add more intensity, but to play to the main stream (like madonna/s > house or snap/s techno, or even quadraphonia) thinness of greatest > common likeability. I have yet to see how messiah relates to quadrophonia. I know some people in music here, and they are trying hard to make ingenious music and stay away from what we normally produce in montreal (typical hi-nrg: Deep Kiss by Mitsou). If you label them sellout and !{good music} (bad music if you prefer), how do you expect them to have faith in themselves? They will say, fuck creativity, let's sample that blase' blase' drum beat! Woah, i didn't think i would take that so personal... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:38:37 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: Clueless Media "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Mon, 25 Jan 1993, Pete Ashdown wrote: > I'm curious what the ne-raves opinion is on the New York Time article on > "hard-core". The writer addresses "hard-core" as a separate entity from > techno and states that Messiah and Prodigy are prime examples. They show a > picture from the Lemonlime Cafe of typical "ravers who enjoy 'hard-core'". > They all looked rather cyberpunk and aggressive. > > The entire article looked like another example of clueless media in action, > but I was wondering if you folks feel like the raves on the east coast are > shaping into "Industrial II" or if you feel the luv-piece-oonity vibe is more > present? If you think that New York Times thing was strange check Newsweek for the week of Jan 25. Page 56 lower left corner. There is a picture of a "techno-rave digital dance party" under pictures of Arrested Development and Madonna. What is so strange is that no where in the article do they mention anyhthing about raves. They do however proclaim the sampler as the "electric guitar of the age". On your question about the east coast raves turning into "Industrial II" I hope not, right now in Pittsburgh more and more metal-heads are showing up at raves and want their brains to be bledgioned with the latest, hardest, heaviest techno. The whole idea of metal heads getting heavily into raves is a somewhat scarry thought because unlike most ravers they usually like their beer and drink it up before a rave and we all know what that can lead to... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:48:00 -0500 (EST) From: Rave Crusader Subject: Re: RY30: what do you think? "Watcha gonna do when the bass hits you???" -Adrenaline 92 Toronto, Ontario. On Mon, 25 Jan 1993, mike perkowitz wrote: > > i saw one new for $425 (same place had a DR-660 for $385 new). > anyone used one? it takes additional wave cards, seems to have some nice > features (a wheel that can control pitch or decay or etc etc) > > opinions? > > mike > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n > > Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu > ----------------------------------------------------------------- My opinion is to stay away from that machine, you will more than likely be disappointed in the long run. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Tiffany Subject: rav'n with the folks >I think it's inaccurate to say that "older" people have a problem with music >and drugs and parties. Granted many of these people are older, but I think >the proper term to describe them is UPTIGHT. >The funny thing is alot of these UPTIGHT people used to do the same thing. Just wanted to share a personal experience. Last time I visited my mother in Dallas I took her and my step-father (45 ish) and my cousin and her husband (30's) to a pretty happening event. All had a good time though the folks left a little early. Also, ear-plugs were put to use. Anyway, my cousin is now having a blast in the scene down in Houston, although I think her husband isn't so appreciative. She sends me T-Shirts from the Yaga store she works in in return for tapes o' suggested listenings. And mother, well she had fun, but .... later days and sunny rays, D.T> -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- Derek Tiffany | TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU | 90.1 WDCE 5-7 Mondays!!! University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu |<= djt{zero}u@aurora... -----------------------+---------------------------+------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Philly, and parents Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:40:58 -0500 (EST) Someone mentioned parents... I recently got a letter from the Dead By Dawn group here in philly.. They have had amazing success as getting busted, their last two events got broken up fairly early. I got a discount ticket in the mail after the first one I went to was busted (Wonka 2) [just in case you were wondering, I put my name and address in a book they had, didn't put a zip, they actually went to the trouble to look it up!] I wasn't able to go to Kool Rave (Dec 18, I was in Wash/Balt Metro Area), but I heard it was busted. Anyway, the letter apologizes for the busts (if I could find the damn thing, I'd put it up...) explaining how they had gotten busted. The first one was busted because someone was actually dumb enough to pull a fire alarm in the space. Kool Rave was busted because one of the aformentioned uptight parents followed their child to the rave and got it busted. At Wonka 2 I noticed how young the crowd was (easily alot of HighSchoolers under 18) and I guess it was only a matter of time. In any case, its a shame, because IMHO Dead By Dawn really tried to keep with the scene, they charged reasonable prices, went to alot of work to do creative stuff (big huge florescent banners with your favorite Wonka candy characters, etc...) provided free water and candy, and AppleJack was a really cool guy. Now there are being prosecuted by the city! :< The scene is looking pretty barren here in philly, clubs are all that is left, or raves that "club raves" in everything but name (using places like the TLA, or other clubs) because of the busts I suppose. Just about every stupid club adverts a "rave" night or "Techno/Grundge Party" or some other skincrawling name. Sigh, I miss being able to go to the Wash/Balt Metro Area raves! :( I guess I still can, just more driving, I guess I can look on the bright side, I'm only two hours from NY and 2 1/2 from DC, 2 from Balt! And I have a car. Its just that Philly was looking promising, maybe its the lack of a store like MusicNow, Groove Records or Modern Music (although I hear Digital Underground is ok, if you know a better store around here, let me know!) Anyway, enought babbling, just wanted to comment on what I thought of the scene here in Philly, I'd love to hear anything different! uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) yifrahyn@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Yoram) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:35 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: On hadcoah! Francois wrote: ' >People are so >prompt to dish anything that gets approved by the silent majority that a >lot of groups/dj/music/etc... get lost in time never to be heard of again. I realize that, but my opinion on Messiah and the Prodigy stands. Besides, I never ever said that "commercial" == "bad." And I am NOT one of those dishy people you mention above . . . you haven't known me that long (or at all) but I'm sure after a while you'll get a sense of my tastes and where I'm coming from. >So to consider messiah or prodigy commercial techno is even worse since not >a single non-raver in Montreal knows Prodigy or Messiah. And i do consider >them hardcore. But that's Montreal. Things are different in New York City. Prodigy played a show at one of the clubs --> it was like the Limelight or the Palladium, and there were big advertisments in the Village Voice and all. But as far as The New York Times getting hip to some new scene, this is not it. >So, as you can see, it's personnal. Yep, sure is. A few weeks ago Chris Texiera (sorry if I murdered the spelling) was telling us that "hardcore" in Toronto consists of very fast breakbeat. Laura (i don't need no steenkin' signature) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: DISCOG: Future Sound Of London corrected copy available Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:46:50 EST several people have sent me additions and corrections to the Future Sound of London/etc discography I wrote up. the new version is a bit bigger but instead of posting it here you can email me for a copy or wait about three days for the revised version to show up on cs.uwp.edu. i can't believe i screwed up their names... it's BRIAN dougans and GARRY cobain, not the other way around. thanks to all who have been helping. there is a lot more out there i know! check your collections for the above two names in the writers credits. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:50 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: the weekend.... Donato says: >not to flame, or get flamed, but i really dig the boston-maine-providence >scene MUCH better than the NYC scene.. (of course, i've only >been to 2 NYC events, so maybe i'm biased :)) Having raved in both places, I'd say "north" of NYC has got it over NYC proper in terms of intimacy and overall close-knittedness of ravers. The NYC events tend to be BIG BIG deals. They're great fun in their own right, but sometimes you get that "I can't wait until it's 4 so people would leave" feeling. In the "north" it's more of a "I can't wait 'till eveyone gets here" feeling. They are like apples and oranges, sometimes one is good and sometimes you feel like the other. Now that some people (Onionz, the Fluid group) are getting back to smaller more intimate parties (like Fluid and Odyssey at Lay-A-Way) this could change some, but I hope that the different areas *retain* their personalities. Otherwise, there would be no reason to travel everywhere. It would all be the same and boring, like having a Gap in EVERY shopping mall (ever notice that?). Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:01:15 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: the weekend.... Coming from Hartford, CT, over the break i went to a few raves in NYC. Before then i had only been to ones in Baltimore and Wash D.C. I've never been to a rave in New England (Hoping to make it up for Wonderland and Massive Dose though) But I have found the NYC scene to be friendly. REVELATION that i went to in late December was probably the best time I had at any rave, for the total feel. It seemed as if everyone there was into the music, kind and happy, FUG-KIN INCREDIBLE!! and the other was the New Years Rave which was busted but the crowd was extremely friendly afterwards chillin out in the streets. I would compare the Washington D.C. crowd as one of the roughest. Between D.C. and Baltimore, i personally perfer the Balt. raves. the people in Balt seem more into the musicand amiable then in dc where a lot of things occur which are not visible at raves in other cities. (for example it seems as if more people get drunk on alcohol at some of the DC events then messed up on acid or E.) jus my.02 cents doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dz5401a@american.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:42:38 -0500 (EST) From: Digital Druid Subject: previous topics It's funny to notice how much we all care about the whole rave scene... But I have a question: will you guys tell all your friends about raves? I mean maybe I am being a purist, but I have friends that no matter how nice people they are, I don't think they belong at a rave. They will just see it as 'a big party'. IMHO that's what we don't need! I knew of someone that was only going to a rave just because he wanted to buy some ecstasy, and for no other reason. You can give the argument that maybe once they are there they will change and see what it's really about, but I think that it's possible to know some people pretty well. oh well, hopefully I'll be seeing a bunch of you @wonderland!!!!! digital.druid spherical therapy cyberpun@wam.umd.edu can heal us all the distance between two beats is a measurement of time.a scalar 20Hz-20,000Hz = a love affair with pressure.waves freeyourbody.submitothebeat [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pccmoddan@aol.com Subject: Re: "Something Good" not techno? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:50:27 EST Agh! This scene is so schitzoid it makes *me* feel right at home!!! Personally I am not one of the peace luv & unity types although I have no problem with those who do. I love little fluffy techno as much as I love what's considered hardcore, and I love scrapping brash industrial almost as much. I ain't angst ridden but I'd definitely consider myself a cyberpunk. Go figure. :) I do have to express what little angst is held in me at the statement: > The article also metioned the Utah Saints in it somewhere (or so I > am told). Most famous for "Something Good," which *I* don't even > consider to be techno. It's a great dance tune in the > Euro-synth-dance tradition, but it isn't techno. You cannot be serious - stop limiting your definition of techno, PLEASE! You are basically saying that "Something Good" is a song in the vein of "Bizzare Love Triangle", DM's stuff, etc. Excuse my angst, but this is bullshit. The Utah Saints have earned their place. "Techno-pop" is a myth. Fuck the labels, if it sounds good play it. - Dan "God is my copilot, Jesus built my hotrod, Scooby Do is my DJ" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pccmoddan@aol.com Subject: Re: "Something Good" not techno? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:50:27 EST Agh! This scene is so schitzoid it makes *me* feel right at home!!! Personally I am not one of the peace luv & unity types although I have no problem with those who do. I love little fluffy techno as much as I love what's considered hardcore, and I love scrapping brash industrial almost as much. I ain't angst ridden but I'd definitely consider myself a cyberpunk. Go figure. :) I do have to express what little angst is held in me at the statement: > The article also metioned the Utah Saints in it somewhere (or so I > am told). Most famous for "Something Good," which *I* don't even > consider to be techno. It's a great dance tune in the > Euro-synth-dance tradition, but it isn't techno. You cannot be serious - stop limiting your definition of techno, PLEASE! You are basically saying that "Something Good" is a song in the vein of "Bizzare Love Triangle", DM's stuff, etc. Excuse my angst, but this is bullshit. The Utah Saints have earned their place. "Techno-pop" is a myth. Fuck the labels, if it sounds good play it. - Dan "God is my copilot, Jesus built my hotrod, Scooby Do is my DJ" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pccmoddan@aol.com Subject: Re: On hadcoah! Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:02:07 EST >Dion wrote, therefore I quote:< On Hardcore: First, Messiah is not in any way commercial techno. There is no such thing. Now, maybe a song can become real popular and then it is a "commercial success", but that doesn't make it commercial. People are so prompt to dish anything that gets approved by the silent majority that a lot of groups/dj/music/etc... get lost in time never to be heard of again. >end of quote< I am truly glad to see more wise, open-minded people who think like me. All this techno-pop and "commercial" techno bullshit has really been irking me! - Dan "God is my co-pilot, Jesus built my hotrod, and Ghandi is my DJ" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Moby and Prodigy Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:05:16 -0500 (EST) Hey, I just won 2 tickets to the Moby & Prodigy show in Philadelphia (at the Troc Feb. 10th) So I'll let you guys know how it is out here. I love our school radio station! I won the tickets while listening to Moby, then they played that hardcore song that sounds like someone screaming in swedish or something. Now they are playing that song with the "I can make it sound fast, I can make it sounds slow..." I didn't even know about this show, apparantly the DJ's for this show got into techno over the break! Oh well, enough ramblings.... Too bad I live in an apartment building w/other people, I really wanna crank it! yifrahyn@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:58:07 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: On hadcoah! REPLY TO 01/25/93 18:28 FROM dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA "Francois Dion": Re: On hadcoah! francois says: I know exactly what is selling or not (i work at a radio station you know) and so i get an idea of what is underground or not. *end francois* start pat: well i/m a DJ on the radio, i/m also the general manager of the station, i do clubs, i/ve thrown raves, i do a bi-monthly campus hip-hop jam, i write deep house with my schools computer equipment i would never claim to know what/s underground, there are so many undergrounds at such different societal places, so much so that i would doubt the term underground can really be used effectively to describe anything - at least in the states, i get the idea that everything is co-optable and co-opted once it is public, as in your resorting of to the wayne/s world hype as reference to how non-mainstream your programming is.... to often, i feel people use the mainstream/ non-mainstream distinctions as defenses of their own tastes and individuality.... and while everyone might indeed be out of the mainstream as islands, the power of the mainstream is in its statistical reduction - so there is a part of almost everyone that is welcomed, bought and sold.... and when i relate quadraphonia to messiah i relate them as experiences in hip marketing - of the majors being able to push definitions of functionalities of hip, and below ground only to rectify the mainstream matrix of product/consumer into ever deeper pockets of culture.... when i claim rave is always already sold-out, i claim that in an effort to suggest such distinctions might no longer apply, and we might be at a moment to begin building new efforts and directions that push the boundaries of the very historicized benefit implied by the term underground in closing, i respect your efforts to produce and orchestrate a purist approach if i/m reading you correctly - i don/t mean to flame, only discuss - not to detract from techno, just suggest other stregths - - sorry if all that isn/t clear.... here/s a new one: #############:) - marge simpson pat To: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:06 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: "Something Good" not techno? Dan (pccmodan I think) said: [Laura said]: >> The article also metioned the Utah Saints in it somewhere (or so I > am >told). Most famous for "Something Good," which *I* don't even > consider to >be techno. It's a great dance tune in the >> Euro-synth-dance tradition, but it isn't techno. > >You cannot be serious - stop limiting your definition of techno, PLEASE! You >are basically saying that "Something Good" is a song in the vein of "Bizzare >Love Triangle", DM's stuff, etc. Excuse my angst, but this is bullshit. The >Utah Saints have earned their place. "Techno-pop" is a myth. Fuck the labels, >if it sounds good play it. I AM serious. And you got it right -- I do think 100% that "Something Good" is along the lines of Depeche Mode and Erasure. Listen to the synth riffs, all you need is a sampled saxophone and you'd have Erasure. I NEVER said "Something Good" or European-synth-dance was bad. I just said it wasn't techno. Personally, I think Depeche Mode (and all the other Vince Clarke-related projects, including Erasure) and New Order have produced some of the best dance tunes EVER. You are awfully angstful for no reason. And I what I say is not bullshit -- a number of other people agree with me -- and I don't appreciate you telling me that. It's one thing to express disagreement, but it's another thing to say "this is bullshit." Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:17 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: On hadcoah! Dan wrote: >I am truly glad to see more wise, open-minded people who think like me. All >this techno-pop and "commercial" techno bullshit has really been irking me! I think you might be a bit close-minded yourself to deny the fact that some techno music is more accessible to the mainstream than other techno, which is all I meant by my statements about "commercial" and "techno-pop." The stuff that is more accessible has been called "techno-pop" or "commercial." The fact that something is accessible does not make it bad, it just makes it, well, accessible. Look at Messiah's "Temple of Dreams." The "Running Man" and melodic Liz Frazier samples make it much more palatable to the average dance music listener than, say, the screeching acid of Equinox's "Pulzar." "Temple of Dreams" is a great track. Lots of people like it (or else it probably wouldn't be on all the different compiliations I've seen it on). It's even one of my favorites (and can be wonderfully mixed with another GREAT popular techno classic, the KLF's "Last Train To Transcentral" [the mix off the UK version of _The White Room_]) It's become "techo-pop," as in POPULAR. A more blatant example is "Anasthasia" by T.99. When I was in London two summers ago T.99 performed "Anasthasia" on "Tops of the Pops." See that -- POP? You don't get on "Tops of the Pops" unless your music is popular --> unless a lot of people like it so it will sell. "Anasthasia" is a great energetic track in that Belgian-hoover-techno vein. It was a commercial success, and anyone that subsequently copied the flavor of "Anasthasia" in order to achieve popularity could very reasonably be considered "commerical." Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:40 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: REPOST from alt.rave -- drum machines for sale I thought maybe some of you who don't get the alt newsgroups might be interested in this: >Subject: Drum machines for sale >Date: 25 Jan 93 22:56:34 GMT >Organization: Pac*Tel Corporation >Lines: 17 > >Arrghhh! I just did my taxes and I owe the IRS. A lot. >The following items are for sale: > >TR-909 $425 >Popular house music drum machine with a easy-to-use interface > >TR-808 $575 >Popular hip-hop drum machine with a monster bass drum sound > >TR-505 $75 >Pint sized drum machine with regular and latin sounds > >I would prefer to sell these to people in the Bay Area, but >if you want it shipped, add in shipping and COD costs. >-- >Eric Pederson Pac*Tel Corporation >eric@nit.pactel.com 510-210-8890 Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:54 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue jan 26) R A V E - O - M A T I C How do we do it? Volume, VOLume, VOLUME! Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Thursday, January 28 SHHH! IT'S A SECRET PARTY Montreal Montreal January 28: SHHH! it's a secret party (that's the name of the event) DJs: Bettina & Louis B Prod K Kidz at KOX STATION 'C' - 1450, Ste-Catherine east, door C ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Worcester, MA (617) - 629 - 0777 W o n d e r l a n d ' s: a gathering of the vibes January 30, 1993 10:00p - Sunrise Coming to you at the beginning of a new year, a gathering dedicated to those who know and those who are willing to learn. Let your soul be guided bt the power of a smile, the tranquility of love, and the enery of a happy crowd. Abandon the realm of reality and enter a world...one beyond that of simple imagination...WONDERLAND. DJ's on the noight providing NEW ENGLAND with a NEW SOUND for the NEW YEAR: Jeno - SanFrancisco's Finest Dante - Evolution, New York Debo - Boston Onionz - Evolution, Lay Away New York Jason Jinx - Limelight, Nasa New York Overload - Maine presale tickets $13 tickets day of $15 Available At: *The Other Side Cafe (boston) - (617)536-9477 (contact simon) *Allston Beat(boston) - (617)421-9555 *Boston Beat(boston) - (617)561-4790 *Luna Sea(providence) - (401)272-5862 *John(new york) - (909)826-8869 *Modern Music(baltimore) - (410)523-1882 *Zootz(portland) - (207)773-8187 *Bad Habits(portland) - (207)773-1310 Information and Bussing Hotline: (617)629-0777 10,000 watts of Booming Bass Strand Sound Rainbow Color and Entrancing Visuals by Pandemonium Smart Juice and Tea Party by Liquid Fusion $2 off each ticket will go directly towards Special Olympics Special Thanks To: The Entire Blue crew Evolution Lay Away Tom Casey and the Sunrise Gang Debo Nocturnal Sunshine Groover Posse Eric, Steve, Mark, Simon, Duke non-alcoholic event ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 AQUARIUS Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 Toronto EXODUS II ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 6 METAMORPHOSIS Boston or Providence (617) - 364 - 9497 [Savah is being very secretive about the location. He hasn't even told John, and John was the person who did the fliers! Rumor has it that the event will be either at an arts space in Boston near the harbor, or in Providence at the warehouse/loft where QUEST I and METAMORPHOSIS I were held. -- Laura ] Voltage Productions Presents M E T A M O R P H O S I S 2 Saturday, February 6, 1993 11pm until sunrise SHOCKING DJs: Tin Tin (UK) Jimmmy Crash (Direct Drive) Osheen (3 1200's) M Gee (Primary) Mayhem (Rise) Heather Heather (UOS) Overload (Wonderland) Dayz-X-One (Digital Deviants) Savas (formerly DJ Savage) LIVE: Havoc Music Recording Artists LUNK featuring members of TOXIC BEAT BOX Tickets: Boston -- Other Side Cafe 617-536-9477 Worcester -- J.L.L. 508-792-1041 Providence -- LundSea 401-272-5862 Portland -- Bad Habits 207-773-1310 NYC/NJ -- Planet X Records 908-249-0304 Info: Voltage Productions @ 617-364-9497 Tickets are $10 in advance, $12 day of event (only at map point) Thanks To: AmoebaHead, Big Fun House, Blue, Chad E. 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Saturday the 13th of February, 1993 THE LIGHTS Dr. Stephen and the Pandemonium Crew will transform the complex with a dazzling 10-watt full spectrum laser system, an array of intelligent lighting, including Intellabeams, Roboscans, Dataflash strobes, and a battery of other effects. THE SOUND A total of 50,000 watts of acoustically tailored sound, separated into two systems, and arranged as to maximize clarity and depth. THE STAGE The Blue Crew has gathered an array of performers and sets to dazzle. Fire eaters, jugglers, dancers, 15ft video walls, dance platforms, purpose-built staging and more... SERVICES Security by the Snatch Squad -- NO MISCONDUCT. R.O.A.R., no alcohol, clean toilets, coat check, on-site medic, information booth, STRICT door procedures. CONCESSIONS Big Fun House hats, shirts and accessories, valentine surprises, smart bar, juice bar. Merchandising proposals call between noon and 5:00pm (617)288-6732 before Februath 10th. 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A portion of your ticket price will benefit Rhode Island Project AIDS and Greenpeace. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 MAYHEM (CUPID GONE MAD) Toronto ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, February 14 GLOOKOS New York City (212) - 631 - 1164 A Totally SWEET Valentine's TREAT GLOOKOS: The Cardiac X-Perience WATCH-OUT! NYC Rave TouR No work, no school, no X-cuse Special Premier Party DY-NAS-D Entertainment Coming Soon to a Warehouse Near You... NO ADDITIVES NO PRESERVATIVES Glookos contains 3 levels of happiness, 2 dance floors of fun, and a lounge of joy! MAIN LEVEL -- Hardcore, Acid, Tribal, Breakbeat, Ambient & more SCOTT HENRY FRANKIE BONES DANTE Catastrophic Storm Rave Evolution DEBO ONIONZ Mindwarp Layaway RIO MR. KLEEN JASON JINX Discorama Satellite Solar Comp. 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This will be a follow-up show to the successful Future Rave of last summer. Talent to be posted later. Look for major live Techno acts [possibly Moby], Rock Wall Climbing, bungee jumping, carnival rides, trance room, smart bar, lasers, DJs and much more. Expected to be the largest Rave on the East Coast with more than 7,000 expected. Look for major promotion in the upcoming weeks. Any questions, input, or vendor information, please contact Michael Meacham e-mail internet Techno016@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: New York Times "hard-core" article date? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 9:24:02 MST Since I posted that original message, I've been besieged with requests for the date of the article. I'm afraid I don't know. It was my sister's paper, and I was just reading it while we were both home on Sunday. Could someone post the date? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:27:18 -0500 From: mIkE rObErTs Subject: Re: Drugs and Music (was Re: trying to explain raves to outsiders) I didn't mean to say that "older" people didn't belong because they are older When I referred to older people I was referring to people who have become stuck in the mainstream "American Way" of thought. I have friends from high school who already have the rest of thier lives planned out. This shows a disregared to spontinaity (sp?) which shows a disregared to FUN!! "Older" really meant "grown-up". I hope to never grow-up. I see no point in living if all i'm doing is being responsible with a good job, big house, nice yard, etc. etc....... Life is too short to grow up.... Mike TekGuru proton [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:42 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: New York Times "hard-core" article date? Trish said it was last Sunday's paper, so that would make it January 24. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Commercial techno Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:51:58 EST It amazes me that people are actually saying that there's *no such thing* as commercial techno. Saturday afternoon, I bought a Car Discman(tm) from a department store in a shopping mall. Of course, I wanted to break it in on the way home, so I put a clothes-peg on my nose and walked into Sam Goody. And what to my wondering eyes should appear, but a nice, brightly lit, TECHNO display! [Think for a moment about what you'd expect to find there. Got it? OK.] Here's a sampling of what they had: Albums from T99, Eon, Opus III, The Orb, Rozalla, Ultramarine. Lots of domestic comps of varying quality, including Tresor, Don't Techno for an Answer, the Cool World soundtrack, etc. CD singles of Sesame's Treet (more copies of that CD-5 than anything else in the display), Loo's Control, JBID, The Creator, etc. There was a huge overlap between that and what I've heard on Hot 97 and in the clubs. There was a minor overlap between that and what I was hearing at raves a few months ago. Not a 12" in sight, natch, even though Sam Goody held out for a long time before getting rid of their 12" single section. The difference between commercial and non-commercial techno is two- fold: First is the accessibility factor that Laura talked about. Musically, a lot of this stuff has connections back to the mainstream house and hip-hop that is still omnipresent on the Billboard Hot 100. Second is mass-marketing. All of what was in that display was either on a major U.S. domestic label, or was distributed through one. No +8 or Industrial Strength here. and not an import in sight. If there's one thing the majors know, it's what sells. Arista knew that Eon had to percolate in the clubs for a couple years before they could release an album from them. They wouldn't give Disintegrator a second look. It goes back to the short shelf-life of most techno. The majors go for what has demonstrated, consistent staying power. So do the clubs. And one look at what happened at the Freight Yard when Mars put on Apotheosis will tell you why that's necessary. I suppose that if I were getting 20 promos a week in the mail, from a dozen different sources, the distinction between the majors and the indies might blur (thank CMJ for starting that trend). But I wear two techno hats, DJ and casual listener, and both of those personae buy their music retail. When those two guys talk, it quickly becomes apparent that a real distinction exists between the longbox and the white label. Personally, I like tracks like "Spice", "Dildo" and even JBID. I like playing them when I'm spinning for a more mainstream crowd. I like dancing to them when I'm part of a more mainstream crowd. So once more, with feeling: COMMERCIAL != BAD. But like it or not, there is such a thing as commercial, mass-market techno. -Ed and SLiP, in collaboration [Cutesy name fields in your From: header confuse the hell out of Elm.] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:13:54 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Re: New York Times "hard-core" article date? Can someone type this in? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Commercial techno Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:18:55 MST > Here's a sampling of what they had: Albums from T99, Eon, Opus III, > The Orb, Rozalla, Ultramarine. > The difference between commercial and non-commercial techno is two- > fold: First is the accessibility factor that Laura talked about. > Musically, a lot of this stuff has connections back to the mainstream > house and hip-hop that is still omnipresent on the Billboard Hot 100. > Second is mass-marketing. All of what was in that display was either > on a major U.S. domestic label, or was distributed through one. No +8 > or Industrial Strength here. and not an import in sight. When I first purchased Ultramarine at the beginning of last summer, it wasn't to be found anywhere. It was released domestically in October. Does that make it commercial all of a sudden? When will their EP "Nightfall in Sweetleaf" arrive at the same fate? I paid a hefty price for my Orbital album ONE YEAR AGO, and could only find it in Boston (LA record shops didn't even have it). Now that it is available to the teeming masses, is it commercial? I couldn't even find _ANY_ techno in _ANY_ shops locally last year. I even had a shop owner come up to me and ask me where he could order it. Now that I am able to buy such things as "Polygon Window" locally (and +8 comps as well for that matter), does this mean that Aphex Twin has gone for the big sell out? Hardly. > If there's one thing the majors know, it's what sells. Arista knew > that Eon had to percolate in the clubs for a couple years before they > could release an album from them. Eon was signed to Columbia last summer. This was in a deal with Vinyl Solution for all of their artists. Columbia/Sony probably didn't even know about Eon until the spring. As for Disintegrator, once they get signed to something larger, are you going to throw them in the dumpster? Since Arista released Moodswings without any previous "percolation" does that make it utter commercial shit? I stand by the previous statement that even groups like 2 Unlimited aren't making formulaic music designed to SELL, which IMHO is the definition of "commercial". Apotheosis is another story. You can't damn a musician just because they make money. Two of the best albums I bought in 1992 were also two big sellers, "U.F.Orb" and "Satyricon". Orb and MBM deserve every cent. > Personally, I like tracks like "Spice", "Dildo" and even JBID. I like > playing them when I'm spinning for a more mainstream crowd. I like > dancing to them when I'm part of a more mainstream crowd. But when you're with the qool elite, you prefer something more esoteric? I don't like standing in front of a mainstream crowd and musically saying, "And I'm sure you know THIS ONE!" I like standing in front of a mainstream crowd and musically saying, "LISTEN TO THIS!" I play for people to hear, I review for people to buy. Nothing makes me happier than someone coming up to the table and saying, "What's playing?" Not everything that sells well is bad, not everything that is hard to find is good. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:29:29 EST From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Subject: techno/grunge (Yoram's letter) techno/grunge nights? he he! bet they play that Mudhoney techno parody that could be kind of fun actually... :) P&L'ism Mr. SparklE [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 10:54:26 PST From: mw@sybase.com (Michael Wertheim) Subject: industrial vs hardcore (was Re: New York Times "hard-core" article) > I would hardly associate industrial music with hardcore techno. About the only > thing they have in common is that they both sound good at high volumes. That > sure doesn't make for any type of comparison. Hardcore is just another positive > vibe, like house, or trance or breakbeat or whatever sends ripples of utter > joy through your body and soul. Oh, I don't know. A few months ago one of the DJs around here tossed Front 242's "Headhunter" into a hardcore set and the crowd went wild. The emotion had little do to with the content of Headhunter and a lot to do with the fact that that song is a huge nostalgia trip for a lot of people. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:54:29 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Commercial techno There seem to be some people still out there in ne-raves land that just don't get what we (laura, ed, myself and others) are trying to say. Commercial != Bad Commercial != Bad Commercial != Bad How many more times do we have to say it?!? It seems that the people that insist that commercial = Bad are somehow arriving at this conclusion themselves and feel they need to defend it. It comes across as feeling aweful insecure about a genre of techno that they go way out of their way to defend. There were many good points made in this whole discussion, however... Pete said: >Not everything that sells well is bad, not everything that is hard to find is >good. This is true. Ed said: > Here's a sampling of what they had: Albums from T99, Eon, Opus III, > The Orb, Rozalla, Ultramarine. Oooo.. That's a big surprise. And Ed was not stating an opinion. If this shit is at Sam Goody, you better fucking believe it's commercial. Since when has Sam Goody or any other corporate Record World/Town/Universe ever gone out of their way to cater to anything except the mainest of the main-stream. My opinion of that music and those producers, however, is irrelevant. Some people out there just seem to take it too personally when this techno is labelled "commercial". That ain't no opinion people. Open your eyes. There IS such a thing as "commercial" techno/music. Good or bad isn't the point. If you like it, then great! I don't. Don't be so insecure about your tastes. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:31 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Commercial techno [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] >When I first purchased Ultramarine at the beginning of last summer, it wasn't >to be found anywhere. It was released domestically in October. Does that >make it commercial all of a sudden? Yes. If people GET OFF the conception that COMMERCIAL == BAD, that is. If you can buy it at Sam Goody (the Gap of record stores in the North East), then it is something that has been deemed acceptable to enough of a wide range of people that someone who is as concerned about money as Sam Goody Inc. is feels it's a safe bet to stock. The fact that you bought it at the beginning of the summer and it's taken until *now* for Sam Goody to pick it up shows you just how long it takes for something unknown to get accepted --> it says NOTHING about the merit or lack thereof of the artist. >When will their EP "Nightfall in >Sweetleaf" arrive at the same fate? Maybe if the current Ultramarine domestic sells well, maybe it won't take as long. Being able to get this stuff in domestic format sooner would be a boon. Being able to find it at every chain record store in America would be a boon --> if it wasn't hard to find and hard to get and REMAINES as artistically valid as it currently is then just think, mainstream radio might just become listenable again!! Yay! It is GOOD that Eon, Opus III, and Ultramarine are at Sam Goody. They are opening the door for many other techno artists out there. >I paid a hefty price for my Orbital album >ONE YEAR AGO, and could only find it in Boston (LA record shops didn't even >have it). Now that it is available to the teeming masses, is it commercial? Yep. But the fact that you can buy it anywhere now doesn't make it bad. See above. >I couldn't even find _ANY_ techno in _ANY_ shops locally last year. I even >had a shop owner come up to me and ask me where he could order it. Now that I >am able to buy such things as "Polygon Window" locally (and +8 comps as well >for that matter), does this mean that Aphex Twin has gone for the big sell >out? Hardly. OF COURSE NOT, because COMMERCIAL != BAD. All commerical means is "conservative record stores who are worried about sales will stock it because it is proven to sell" and that "dance-oriented shows on mainstream radio stations will play it because people like it, as evinced by sales" and that "clubs that like to stay middle of the road to attract the largest clientele possible will play it because enough people have expressed pleasure in hearing it." This is all good. I would *love* to see the likes of the Aphex Twin taking over the air waves and the shelf space in record stores. It is only a SELL-OUT when an artist changes their style to copy a previously successful format, instead of following their own path. For example, if Nico were to drop everything and suddenly do remakes of old disco hits (like KWS's "Please Don't Go") then that could be considered a sell-out FOR NICO. It says nothing about what KWS is already doing, however. >As for Disintegrator, once they get signed to >something larger, are you going to throw them in the dumpster? Since Arista >released Moodswings without any previous "percolation" does that make it utter >commercial shit? Nope. Of course not. We aren't that shallow. We love what they've been doing lately. All any of this means is that popular tastes are swinging more toward what we've been enjoying already (well, unless Disintegrator drops their 303's and goes for Seattle-style grunge, for example.) And Arista's release of Moodswings shows that the majors are loosening up and are starting to be willing to take a bit more of a chance again. And I say GOOD FOR THEM. The record industry could use a kick in the butt, I could use not having to pay $25 for imports, so we *all* win here. >I stand by the previous statement that even groups like 2 Unlimited aren't >making formulaic music designed to SELL, which IMHO is the definition of >"commercial". And this is the problem with many of the arguments against what Ed and I have been saying: Many people say commercial is formulaic and designed to sell, and I say that commerical is simply what sells. The difference is that you honestly never know WHAT will sell until it does or doesn't. You can guess, you can make predictions, but I think there's less of a cause-and- effect relationship than people like to believe. How about OMD's last album, _Sugar Tax_? It was very formulaic, and was a flop. It had all the elements of synth-pop, but was pretty minor overall. How about _UFOrb_. As far as early-90's mainstream music goes that was completely off-the-wall, yet it sold really well. >Apotheosis is another story. You can't damn a musician just >because they make money. Two of the best albums I bought in 1992 were also >two big sellers, "U.F.Orb" and "Satyricon". Orb and MBM deserve every cent. I do not recall Ed, me, or anyone else damning Apotheosis. Mars played it because Friday night at the Freight Yard needed a jump start, and the energy and popularity of that tune did the trick PERFECTLY. I wouldn't play it at a Fluid party, however, because it just isn't necessary in that kind of environment -- other things (like Denard's acid house) does the trick. It seems to me that a number of people have a persecution complex about big-name techno, and that the second any of us say "it's commercial" -- EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T EQUATE COMMERCIAL WITH BAD -- a bunch of people start complaining that we're being eliteist. >But when you're with the qool elite, you prefer something more esoteric? I feel that if you knew Ed or any of the rest of us who you are disagreeing with personally you wouldn't say things like this to us. Ed is the furthest from a snobby, eliteist, cool-bound person that I know. He's just a great guy with wide-ranging musical interests, who buys a lot of records and spins a number of gigs outside of the rave scene. We never said anything about cool elite --> it's just that some people have been exposed to a lot more off-the-wall techno than others. When you're around a group of people who know about the genre and have built up a deeper appreciation of the genre then it's preferable to explore the genre with them and play around with more underground stuff. You can all enjoy it together, rather than watching some people pout because they just don't get into it yet. Similarly, when you're around people who have had little exposure, it's more fun to stay on the more accessible side and then move, via association, to less known stuff. You can't force new music on people, but if you play a few tunes they know and like they become receptive to hearing less familiar stuff, and you can move them from the more familiar Orb down to Aphex Twin, or from Moby down to the Microbots, without immediately turning them off. >Not everything that sells well is bad, not everything that is hard to find is >good. 100% agreed. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 14:03:11 EST From: kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu Subject: NE-Raves breathes fire again! Yeeeeeah! the sentiments of youse folks is cool to hear. just my 1964 quarter, badly clipped 1971 dime and spankin new 1992 penny: Commercial techno: I sort of thought about this back and forth and well, the best way to make a distinction near as I can tell is that type which can best be called "bridge" techno i.e. LoA, JBID, O Fortuna. Some of this stuff is good but it is more likely to have bad stuff because of the inherent "product" nature of the music, i.e. a company can market music of this variety easily since it resembles other forms people are accustomed to. After all, I got my start on Charly, JBID and LoA and couldn't stand hard- hahdkoah. But gee mom, lookit me now! :) [it is easy for company's to get away with selling half-baked stuff in these categories] Allentown: were those people college kids or actua; Allentown residents? they sounded like complete fuckers, but i can recall going to a club The Ivy in Banksville NY and on the techno night, when Apotheosis was played, people would start moshing. Actually i kind of got a kick out of this and joined in because it is a rather militant song... :) (don't even try and ask how they reacted on Alternative Fridays) :) :) for that matter Circle Jerks (not the band! :) can be found at raves i.e. Quest I and II. my brother Kurt got pushed out of a circle by the ego-dancin localyokels. People and gettin inta raves and all that shite i dj's a rave at my ex-college of Wesleyan in October. now basically i am/was one of five ravers on campus (the only male too... hmm... :) and the only one who really liked to dress the part (at a Halloween dance some frosh girls saw me and started pointing saying, "Look! It's the raver! The Raver!" :) but at any rate this rave i thought i would have to compromise. I did end up playing temple of dreams and o fortuna, but these were earlier in the night. The majority of people never heard them. Instead they got treated to a massive dose of hardcore a la X-Crash, Demonic EP, Holographic, Rotterdam stuff and some nice breakbeat from Audio-Assault, Interface, Flag, ACEN etc. and well, they ate it up! I was incredibly surprised. This was hard shit i was playing. twice i played Alles Naar de Kl--te to critical acclaim :) (the crowd started clapping their hands to the beat. the majority) i really wish i could've been down there but i was glad to provide. i even remember this one guy, my old RAs ex-boyfriend who was anythingg but a techno-head and for two hours he was in front like "Yeah! All right!" :) ggood vibe rave. So why am i recounting this? I can't even remember why but i think my point might've been "don't compromise" or something. Oh yeah... it was about getting people into it. I guess i gave a lot of people a positive intro. Whatever I don't speak I ramble :) --Mr. SparklE (itchin' for some breakbeat house) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:01:34 EST From: WILL-E > is a great energetic track in that Belgian-hoover-techno vein. It was > a commercial success, and anyone that subsequently copied the flavor > of "Anasthasia" in order to achieve popularity could very reasonably > be considered "commerical." Also known as "selling out"... T99 is a good example... have you heard an-E of their early ORIGINAL stuff? T99 _WAS_ a New Beat band. Not only did they jump on the techno bandwagon going on in Belgium but they also put out an album - yuck! Whoever didn't have Anasthasia on some cheesy compilation album could now buy it on CD. Hey, and the multitude of versions (I'm not sure if the US got as many versions)... reminds me of sequals in the movies.. "Anasthasia part 13, t99 takes Manhattan" or "just when u thought it was safe to go back to the raves". You can sense the lack ov talent and creativity in pop-techno and even pop-hardcore. Yet I blame the DJ's who play what the crowd want to hear like Repete at Limelight. For about a year, there wasn't a night that he didn't play Anasthasia and O Fortuna which would drive the crowd insane... This is a good indicator I think... when I spoke to Repete abou this he said... well, u know.... you gotta keep them happy... My joke for awhile was no wonder they call him Repete. I suppose in a club... you have to make compromises... after all it is a commercial/profit motivated business. Thank God at least we're not bombarded on the tv and radio for crap raves and the latest hardcore compilation as they are in England. I suppose if u went the UK you would understand... My $0.02... peace, WILL-E [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Commercial techno Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:01:08 MST > get what we (laura, ed, myself and others) are trying to say. > Commercial != Bad Ok. > > Here's a sampling of what they had: Albums from T99, Eon, Opus III, > > The Orb, Rozalla, Ultramarine. > > Oooo.. That's a big surprise. > And Ed was not stating an opinion. If this shit is at Sam Goody, you better ^^^^ > fucking believe it's commercial. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Commercial != Bad, so why is it generalized as shit? Praises were just being heaped upon the Ultramarine album yesterday, but today it is too "commercial". > There IS such a thing as "commercial" techno/music. Good or bad isn't the > point. Someone please explain to me what the complaining is about then. You guys turn your noses up at something because Joe Public has access to it, but then you say, "but it isn't bad." > If you like it, then great! I don't. Please be a little more explicit at what makes something less desirable (ie: "I don't") after it is accessible to the public. There is a large music chain called "Sound Warehouse" here Dave, the other day I was in there and they had "Resistance For Change" available. Suddenly, UR is labelled as "commercial." Time to burn your albums! Or at least the 12"s that appear on the album! See how ridiculous this is? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Commercial techno Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:02:48 EST > When I first purchased Ultramarine at the beginning of last summer, it wasn't > to be found anywhere. It was released domestically in October. Does that > make it commercial all of a sudden? There's more to it than just domestic vs. import. Was it on a major label in its country of origin? Was it originally mass-marketed as it is now? > Now that it is available to the teeming masses, is it commercial? > I couldn't even find _ANY_ techno in _ANY_ shops locally last year. I even > had a shop owner come up to me and ask me where he could order it. There's also more to it than scarcity vs. availability. I'm not stupid enough to not take into account local markets. If your dealers weren't hooked up with certain distibutors, that obviously doesn't say anything about the music itself. I'm also not stupid enough to think that I can come up with a definition of "commercial techno" that's accurate to eight decimal places (or any other sort of music, for that matter). > > If there's one thing the majors know, it's what sells. Arista knew > > that Eon had to percolate in the clubs for a couple years before they > > could release an album from them. > > Eon was signed to Columbia last summer. Oops, I stand corrected. > This was in a deal with Vinyl Solution for all of their artists. Colum- > bia/Sony probably didn't even know about Eon until the spring. You mean they bought out an entire catalog sight unseen? Doubtful. I suspect they gave at least passi