Ne-Raves Digest Volume 1, Issue 7, for December, 1992 ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu and ne-raves-cal@gnu.ai.mit.edu, calendar only list From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: happy christmasdays Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 2:19:26 PST I'm coming to New York (for the first time) for Christmas vacation on from the 18th to the 6th of January. Any strong recommendations for events/clubs? I like, nay, love all kinds of techno and house so don't worry about whether its hardcore or trance or whatever--FUCK THOSE BOUNDARIES. I just want to dance. Also, I'm going to be upstate (Watertown) for some as yet undetermined time around Christmas day itself. Anything going on up there or in Toronto? Thanks for your help, Jim :) Hi Nayeli :) :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: happy christmasdays Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 2:19:26 PST I'm coming to New York (for the first time) for Christmas vacation on from the 18th to the 6th of January. Any strong recommendations for events/clubs? I like, nay, love all kinds of techno and house so don't worry about whether its hardcore or trance or whatever--FUCK THOSE BOUNDARIES. I just want to dance. Also, I'm going to be upstate (Watertown) for some as yet undetermined time around Christmas day itself. Anything going on up there or in Toronto? Thanks for your help, Jim :) Hi Nayeli :) :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 03:51:30 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Explorer Here's my two cents worth about Explorer. Eric and I started from DC up I-95 (main street for the ne- ravers). Pick up Allen(Fluid) in Delaware, and Fran in Philly in my Avis Buick Skylark. Made it to the Armonk Bowl around midnight. People were standing outside shivvering waiting to get in. We just sat in the car with the heater running. We may be fools to travel 5 hours to go to a rave, but we're not idiots to stand outside and freeze our asses off. Won't rehash what's already been posted, but here's a few of my comments. I thought the space did not deter from the total vibe of the rave. Raves are the people and the music, and both were top notch at Explorer. My first impression was that "I don't think this space will work." However, once I started raving and getting comfortable, it turned out OK. Liked all the DJs, including the hardcore set from Lenny Dee. He's unlike most hardcore DJs in the sense that he spins hardcore that's fun. Dave Trance and Dennard were also excellent. Explorer was my second Satellite Productions rave, and I have to give them credit for doing most things right. They always use imaginative spaces (Skate Parks, Roller Rinks, Bowling Alleys). I'm glad they don't have the warehouse mentality. Their spaces have some comfort (seats to sit down in, bathrooms with running water, and snack bar to get some food.) Never any problems with the police. Good work, guys. Ne-raves was well represented at Explorer. DC - Rob, Eric NYC - Ed, Taylor Conn - Chris Zimmerman Leheigh - Evan Del - Fran, Allan Boston - Camper Hope I did not leave anyone one out. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 08:09:30 -0500 Subject: Re: donutRAVE? What's that? just to clear things up, according to my flier, the whole deal is going down at Venus de Milo, doors at 10, DJs: tym ryan, debo, and ONIONZ free CDs posters records ... way funky cool! (if it was at avalon, i'd hesitate to go :)) so there it is, the pre-ORB donutRAVE! see you there! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 09:12:41 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Smart Drinks Does anyone know where I can get good smart drink mixes/recepies. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 17:16 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Curious about Explorer I'm just curious... I wonder if it would be appropriate to send a letter to the management of the Armonk bowling alley thanking them for letting us (ravers) use their space? Even if there is never another Rave there it might be nice to let them know we appreciated it. Does anyone have the address of the place? _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 08 Dec 1992 13:05:55 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: armonk bowl erik had a GREAT idea of sending a letter to the folks at armonk bowl, thanking them for letting us use their space. we could write the letter as the ne-raves people, but extend our thanks from all ravers everywhere. how about it guys? i'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get the address for the place. besides, ravers are thankful inside, and to each other, we shouldn't keep it all to ourselves. let those folks out there know that we're not that bad after all. >>taylor.303.blip.ecstasy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 13:13:46 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Camper writes: > with the heater running. We may be fools to travel 5 hours to go > to a rave....(rest deleted) Here's my .02 worth (I am not flaming you Camper). Do you realize that the ravers from Pittsburgh travel 4 hours to DC , 5 hours to Philly, and like 9-10 hours to NYC/NJ *all the time* in order to a) have a good time b) check out new cities and their ravescenes c) meet friends (ie ne-ravers) Why is it that almost *no one* from ne-raves can ever make it out here to go to one of our raves? I mean, even at Power (which had both Mike Battaglia and I from ne-raves on the staff) where we had top name acts and djs, no one made it out here. It is *really* depressing. If the hicks here in Pittsburgh (me included) can drive out and visit all of you, why can't *one* of you manage to get off of your butt and come out here? We have the whole mw raves posse including : Mike Brown Todd Sines Marla Kammer Mike Pisano (the stranger) and others whose names I cant recall....... I dunno. We (the old Power staff) are going to be hosting the second half of the two part GODZILLA TAKES OVER rave in January (tentative). The headlining djs (as of now) will most likely be Lenny Dee, me and Dante. Chill djs should be Bobble and Suz-E-Cyclone. I would hope that something like this could pull the "our butts are stuck in the northeast" ravers out here. I don't want to get in a big "well you pay my way then" or "some of us have jobs" argument because all of us here in Pittsburgh are in similar situations. Basically, I am just urging some of you ne-ravers to make a real roadtrip and open your eyes a little. This viewpoint is shared by others, not just myself. dieselBoy - rave hard [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 13:49:31 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Subject: I forgot two of the most die-hard mw-ravers oooooops add GOLDEN BOY and TAREQ to my list of mw-ravers. these boys are hardcore (they risked life and limb for power) sorry. dieselBoy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 13:28:19 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: armonk bowl > From TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Tue Dec 8 13:16:51 1992 > i'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to get the address for the place. besides, > ravers are thankful inside, and to each other, we shouldn't keep it all to > ourselves. let those folks out there know that we're not that bad after all. This isn't a bad idea ANYTIME ravers use a space owned by business persons outside the scene. There's enough bad press about ravers as it is. Maybe some positive reinforcement injected into the mainstream would do the scene some good. It'll give a better image of ravers as a whole. Word of mouth is a powerful thing (of course WE know that!) and the more people out there that just "think" of it as a positive thing, the more likely they'll tell their friends that what's on "A Current Affair" and what they read in BusinessWeek is a bunch of BULLSHIT. It'll make our lives a whole lot easier everywhere from getting locations from people who feel good about the scene to simply having a more positive image in the public. Enough of the reports of how we angrily listen to Nirvana all night long and drink and shoot people. Please. I wonder if non-ne-ravers have had the same idea? I would assume that the organizer/promoters do SOMETHING along the same lines. (?) dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 19:46 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Armonk Address The bowling alley's address is: 17 Old Route 22 Armonk, NY 10504 Manager: Yvonne Testa [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 14:49 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue dec 8) R A V E - O - M A T I C Raves are coming along fast and furiously . . . I can't get over how many there are going to be over the next two months!! Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, December 11 RAVE 2020 Washington, D.C. (301) - 868 - 1002 (718) - 714 - 5232 (212) - 629 - 2061 (212) - 387 - 0816 (215) - 292 - 4666 RAVE 2020 $15 December 11, 9th & V N.W. 7 Productions "A sensory unit specializing in visual deployment. A new vision of the ultimate experience.." Come Witness RON WEBSTER, 17 year laser professional all the way from Colorado to perform with his R-2(F) laser Featuring: Laser Animation, Straight Beams, & Spirograms ART FRONTIER - zandropic theatrical performance from deep space - Frankie Bones, NY - Jimmy Crash, NY - Anthony Scott, DC - Frankie Hartung, DC - Josh Wink, Philly - OPM, DC - Lieven Degeyndt, DC - Sandra Collons, LA storm rave - a dozen ritual - musicnow intl - studio x road tripping weekend storm rave ny saturday december 12 for bus tix call DC 7 Productions 301-868-1002 NY Groove Records 718-714-5232 NY Denis the Menace Joint Ventures 212-629-2061 Manhattan Studio X 212-387-0816 Philly Josh Wink 215-292-4666 special thanks to groove records, musicnow, e-trance promotions, studio x, apple, ashley, & dove, john z, frankie hartung, paxton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, December 11 HAPPINESS Philadelphia (215) - 292 - 4666 The Horizon Group presents... THE HAPPINESS RAVE Friday December 11, 1992 At one of Philadelphia Largest Chinese Restaurants!?! Call the Devil-Line for info & location: (215) 292-4666 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 Book a day's sleep after this one... In the beginning, we stood alone. A small gathering of friends in celebration of the dance. This dance became known as Rave, and we are no longer alone. Now we have nothing to prove except giving you, the ravers, a night of total pleasure. STORM -- New York's pioneering rave tribe invites you to our closing party of '92. Mastermixes by DJ's Frankie Jimmy Lenny BONES CRASH DEE KEOKI Sandra Tim COLLINS RYAN Dave Jerry Art TRANCE JAM VADER New and improved featuring Hardcore, Breakbeat, Tribal and Trance. D.J. showcase by Frankie Bones for Brooklyn Groove Productions. Lighting by Excel Productions Rave coordination: Dennis the Menace (212)631-1065 Organized by Mr. Hyde and Joe Fax Tickets: $15.00 only on December 12, from 8pm-2am at Groove Records, 64 Avenue U, Brooklyn, NY (718)714-5232 or all day at Planet X Music, 301 George St., New Brunswick, NJ (908)249-0304 [The flyer erroneously lists Planet X's area code as 201. -Ed] Promotions: Joint Ventures, Under One Sky, Primal Posse, Fred Strong, LA Dave, Chad E. Boy, Eddie Van Raven, Trepp, Curious George, and Super Mario. We would like to thank all who made us rave this year, U know who U are. Also join STORM Dec. 11 at Rave 2020 D.C., for bus trip info call (212)629-2061. Special thanks to Adam X and Heather Heather who will be raving at MAYDAY Rave in Germany on the same night. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 TRANS-NEURO CORRIDOR Southern Maine (207) - 775 - 7946 T N C R E O A U RR S O ID OR Crital Mass Peaks: Dec 12 / Detonation: Midnight Secret Southern Maine Location. Info: 2077757946 Fly the Trans-Neuro Corridor Prepare to be transported to all-night blissful existence as digital shamen JACKMASTER FLASH transmits auditory impulses to heal your soul, spiritual re-charging available at the high ernergy Smart Bar, discover your inner self in peaceful Ambience, explore parts of yourself you never knew existed. Insane Lights and Sound by: 1st Strike + Pandemonium proMOTIONS: Mindwarp - Boston Beat - Alson Beat (Boston) - Al Bum's Music Quest (Worchester) - Fast Forward Records (Providence Vinyl Mania (New York) - Planet X (New Brunswick) - Hobbles and Kaput @ UMF Radio - KATmandu - su-sEn - AIM-EEE - eQUESTrian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 FLINTSTONES Washington, DC (202) - 331 - 4465 Bedrock Productions presents The Pre-Christmas Children's Chewable Warehouse Party F L I N T S T O N E S Get fortified! Starts at 10:00pm Twas the 12th day before Christmas, and all through the warehouse, not a raver was stirring, not even a mouse. Til what before my xing wandering eyes should appear... BUT FRED FLINTSTONE ALL DECKED IN RAVE GEAR! Wise "Techno" Men ----------------- Mr Kleen: Nasa, Sputnik; New York Michael Meacham: Fifth Column; Wash. DC DJ Say: Wash. Dc Snow Filled Room ---------------- So you can chill your weary head and trance your body Guy Oldsams: Eastern Bloc; Manchester UK Earic Patten: Tracks; Wash. DC FX yourHEAD: Flintstone; Wash. DC Smart Bar and Dumb Videos, techno stocking stuffers given out by MC BITCH...Holiday greetings by Julie Jules. Rave wear by Bohemia Tikcets to sit on FRED's lap $10 1234 9th St NW, Washington DC Fred's gift line: (202) 331-4465 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 HAPPINESS Baltimore (410) - 235 - 1131 Atomic Vibe presents on Dec.12 SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 1992 10PM-SUNRISE Atomic Vibe invites you to celebrate the joy of unity. The dawning of a New Age in the underground experience. Smile, dance, laugh & rejoice in the sounds of ... H A P P I N E S S Atomic Vibe DJ's : Micro-Chip, Bobble, Wash & LG Guest DJ's: Scott Henry (fever and catastrophic DC) Dante (evolution NYC) Onionz (Caffeine) NYC 18 and Over w/Valid ID $8 in advnace (starting 12/10) $10 at the Door BYOB - no glass Smart bar by Neuro Energy Promotion by LG & D-Core Tickets/Directions available at: Modern Music, Balto. 410.523.1882 Music Now, DC : 202.638.3272 Atomic Vibe Info Line, Happy Beats For Your Feets : 410.235.1131 **note, this will be a rave almost totally free of hardcore breakbeatambienttrancebreakbeatambienttrancebreakbeatambienttrance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, December 18 KOOL-RAVE Philadelphia (215) - 552 - 8833 THIRSTY? Have some KOOL-RAVE! Dead By Dawn DJ's Atomizer, Goodwill, Mr. Fun, with special guests The Pro-Creators (Del.), Nigel Richards (bRAVE), Bobble (Atomic Vibe), Suz-e Cyclone (D.C.), Oddessy (O-Mega Prod.) Lights by Silent Productions Special Sensory Performance by PAWN POPI's SMART Bar Free Candy and Spring H2O Rave Wear Available KOOL-RAVE INFO LINE: (215)552-8833 Ticket & Bus Info: (215)602-2226 Friday, December 18, 10pm - Dawn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 TUNE INN New Haven, CT (203) - 865 - 9738 T O X I C B E A T B O X [ This is ne-raver Taylor's band. - Laura ] cybernetik hardcore and trance live at TUNE INN Saturday, December 19th 29 Center St. New Haven, CT (203) 865 - 9738 9pm until sunrise $6 smart bar djs: microdot (trance/ambient) john27 (hardcore) mtl (acid house/hardcore) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 UNIVERSAL VIBE New York City (212) - 696 - 8938 The Primal X-Mas Rave Info: 212.696.8938 tribal.trance.acid Primal DJs: James Christian DJ Reese DJ Denard Jacquelyn Christie Dedicated to all those who share our visions and ideals Alan Sanctuary and the Primal Posese in Ass. with X-Cit-R productions with universal djs Frankie Bones (Storm Ravee) Keoki (Disco 2000) Repete (Future Shock) Micro & Onionz (Caffeine) Mr. Kleen (Sputnik) Debo (Mindwarp) Boy Blake (H.E.R.E. Raves) featuring MC Mello Mello Psychecyberadiant light show Scotto greetings Astro Earle.Maho Promtions Mello Mello.Primal.Mindwarp.Atomic Vive.Roger Oh!.Eddivee V. Raven Digital Deviants.Liz, Bea & Laura.Toast & Rad Brad Free: Rave Toys.X-Mas Stockings.Candy Intellabeams.Dataflash Strobes.Emulators.Visuals.Smart Bar 20000 Watts of Sound 5000 SqFt of Dance Floor 100% Legal 100% Insured 100% Uncompromising 100% Underground $12 in advance $15 Day of & Door ---- tickets NYC: Vinylmania: 212.463.7120/NYC: House: 212.6777379 Boston: Mindwarp: 617.266.1987/NJ: Planet X: 908.249.0304 DC: Music Now: 202.638.3272/Bklyn: Groove Records: 718.714.1832 Balt: Modern Music: 410.523.1882/Philly: Wink: 215.592.8481 buses Boston:Debo:617.266.1987 Philly:Wink:215.592.8481 for add'l NYC pay points day of event call: 212.696.8938 212.995.9627 212.741.0919 call day of for location ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 CHEMISTRY Toronto (416) - 351 - 0911 Chemistry Productions Presents A RAVE NEW WORLD This December, Chemistry celebrates its first anniversary and with it, the end of a year which has witnessed the birth of a completely new "ravescene". Some of you may remember our very first party when we gave out invites in test tubes. Many will never forget the exper- ience of raving under the stars all night, five parties later, at the first ever outdoor dance event of its kind - Planet Rave '92. In all our parties, three things have and will always remain the same: Our obsessive desire to break down social barriers; bring you *the* most progressive dance music around; and the most important thing of all, to have fun. In a world of deteriorating values and increasing vio- lence, it's reassuring to know now, that there are enough open minded and peaceful people out there to support this wicked underground scene that we've all built together. So what could be better at the end of this year, then to re-unite everyone who's ever been to Chemistry, escape the commercialism of the world for one night and get to the true meaning of it all..... DJ'S ON THE NIGHT Special guest from New York City: Dante Maure ALX of London -- Dr. No -- Mark Oliver -- Place Called Bliss Since it's both Christmas and our first anniversary, we thought it would be much more fun to keep all our attractions a big surprise this time. Each week the Chemistry hotline will be updated with new infor- mation and we highly recommend you call to check the latest details. The final secret location for this event will be released exclusively on the hotline 24 hours before the rave. (416)351-0911 -- Free to call day or night. TICKET INFORMATION: Advance tickets for this event are $15 and go on sale from Sat 28th Nov. They are available from all 60 Ticketmaster outlets in Southern Ontario, as well as from our official Chemistry ticket outlets listed below. For the Ticketmaster location nearest you, call (416)870-8000. TORONTO -- Play de Record & Rural Clothing HAMILTON -- Dr Disc, 146 King St. West KITCHENER -- Dr Disc, 20 Wilson Street ROCHESTER -- Record Archive, 1394 Mt Hope Ave. If you have any problems or queries call us at the Chemistry office on (416)924-4625. *Have a laugh -- We are* ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, December 25 SHOCKWAVE New York (718) - 259 - 4907 Ho ho ho ravers!! X-FORCE Productions presents Tony Dee's SHOCKWAVE Part II If you felt the energy on Thanksgiving ... Don't miss the Yuletide RUSH!! Hotlines: Info (718)259-4907, Guest List (917)869-5036 10 bucks with pass, 12 bucks without, doors open 10:00 * 18 to TRIP, 21 to FALL * Lights by Frankie, sound by the Ziggman As for DJs think H A R D *** C O R E Location: 63 Street between 15th & 16th Aves. TO THE RAVERS: We are trying to create an atmosphere of total dance energy. A new culture, a rave culture, promoting peace, love and unity. We're not just trying to make money, we're ravers ... totally hardcore. Our task, to keep the underground scene alive! We want the underground scene to remain totally underground. See you on Christmas! X-FORCE Rave Productions, nothing but hardcore 4 ravers by ravers. Peace. Respect to Frankie Bones, X-Crash and the Storm Rave organization 4 the chance. The T.W.R Posse -- Together We Rave Promotions: Moonflower, Magilla, K-5, Mr. Sitcks, Kram Oicsac, Forever Green ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 "Through the mass-media, World War III is being waged upon the retina of the mind's eye. But a rapidly growing youth culture within the global village has given birth to a legion of Rainbow Warriors rebelling against the programmed ideals of a society locked within the definitions of the MTV unabridged dictionary. Armed with nothing more than the magik of a hug, a smile, some boomin' bass and a conviction that a difference can be made. This December comes a new gathering dedicated to exploration rather than exploitation... Saturday, December 26th, 1992 The Evolution Collective Proudly Presents: REVELATION Dedicated to Bio-Sphere I and the Sixth Sense Music with a message for your: Mind Body & Soul Frankie Bones Scott Henry Scott Hardkiss [Storm] [Washington, DC] [San Francisco] Keoki Micro Josh Wink [Disco 2000] [Caffeine] [Philadelphia] Dante Debo Onionz [Evolution] [Boston] [Layaway] Troy On-E Jason Jinx [Orlando] [Liquid Sky] [Solar Company] Bus, Travel, and Ticket info. New York 212.631.1179 Washington, DC 202.736.1712 Baltimore 410.783.5453 Boston & RI 617.576.9717 Philadelphia 215.602.2210 Toronto 416.524.7840 $12 admission strictly by advance sale ONLY. Tickets will be on sale until Dec. 20th. Purchase early to ensure entry, only 3,000 tickets will be sold. A portion of proceeds will be donated to Save the Planet. REVAR DESIGN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 9 LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC (703) - 222 - 4499 COMING Jan 9 1993 Tonka Productions LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC Info: 703.222.4499 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 DEEP Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 First we made you PURE. Together we followed the blinding truth of CRUSADE. Next we brought you SKY-HIGH. Now let us take you . . . D E E P Saturday, January 23rd 11pm til Sunrise DJs Tintin (London) Onionz (Long Island) Mayhem (Boston) 333 Mgee (London) Overload (Maine) Dale Charles (San Diego) Smart Bar, Rave Gear, & More Brilliant Lighting & Visuals by Pandemonium! 12,000 watts of sound huge warehouse location 207 - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 XOCHIPILLI Portland, ME Prepare for the Ritual "Xochipilli: 24 hour rave! January 16 @ 12 Noon - January 17 @ Noon Produced By A Book Called Galanta Portland, Maine (watch for info) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Boston Wonderland's a Gathering of the Vibes Saturday, January 30th, 1993 Information Coming Soon! Presented by Never Neverland Productions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 BLUE New England Blue . . . Coming to You 13 Febrary 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 18:44:27 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (for your ears only) Subject: 303 :) ] I really shouldn't post this to Ne-Raves, but I think there's enough geeks hanging about to answer my needs (Todd S. ?) How in the hell does Gate Sync work on the 303? I just scored one and I need to build a Sync box for it.. (for that matter, how does Sync work on any old synth..) Sorry to waste bandwidth -John Mail your responses. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 18:57:57 -0500 Subject: driving many hours... well, here's my 2 cents (that way we'll have 4! :)) i've noticed that people who live in BIG states always drive 2+ hrs for many things. here in mass, and other small states, driving over 3 hrs is a big deal! it means we go thru almost 4 states! :) so, we're not used to it. but this rave thing is gonna get us into the habit, and soon we'll be driving to CHICAGO! :) (for an example of the above: someone in worcester can go to a rave in boston (yeah right!), providence, or s. maine in under an hour, and that (oops), that's 3 states right there. ok, enough of geography... time to rave! (with donuts!) donato hat (oops), that's 3 states right there. ok, enough of geography... time to rave! (with donuts!) donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 08 Dec 1992 19:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: armonk thanks well, now that we have the address let's not sit around and talk about it! we should write them a letter.. i was thinking of WHO should write the letter but then thought why just send them ONE letter. why doesn't whoever want to thank them write them!? just send 'em a little short note that says you appreciate what they did for us. whoever wants to write, can. this way they'll get a bunch of letters too. and they'll know that a number of us care.. instead of seeing something like "signed: ne-raves" at the bottom.. or something impersonal like that. if you still think ONE letter from ALL of us appropriate then we can go ahead and do that too.. but, as far as my actions go, i'm gonna draft them a little letter myself. what does everyone else think? ravers are lovers. >.taylor.create.808 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 92 19:40 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Toxic Beat Box at Tune Inn Dec. 19 Just a note here -- Tune Inn is a *club* in New Haven CT, not an actual rave. I had added it to Rave-O-Matic because I thought ne-ravers would like to know about the show in case they feel like going and supporting Taylor. The club will be open until 6.00 am, though, and will have a Smart Bar and some decent DJs, so it should be as much of a ravey experience as going to NASA (NASA being the Friday-night rave-like activity held at The Shelter in Manhatten). I had recieved some rather sharp-sounding mail from someone telling me that the Tune Inn thing should not be listed in Rave-O-Matic since it was in a club. I guess this person was afraid I was misleading you all or something. Anyway, I am in the habit of adding new clubs to Rave-O-Matic the first week they open (or the first week I find out about them) and then moving them to the techno club list. It is not my intention to falsely advertise. I just want to get the information out to people without having to maintain n different calendars and write disclaimers all over everything. Hope to see some of you at Taylor's show . . . I'm going to do my darndest to get there -- it should be fun!! Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 19:59:18 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Pittsburgh scene Damian The one problem with travelling to Pittsburgh is that it's not on I-95 (main street for most of the ne-ravers). The Satellite production raves are located a few miles off of I-95, and geographicaly between Boston and DC. This makes it convenient to take the road trip. In all fairness, the Pittsburgh scene is just getting started. Ne- raves will come once the scene starts to establish itself. I know you are working hard to establish the scene in Pittsburgh, but give it time. Right now, Baltimore is a better scene than DC. Last year the Baltimore scene did not exist, or it was so underground that only a handful of people knew about it. Scott Henry and the Atomic Vibe group worked hard to establish scene there, and finally it's established itself. Just keep on doing what you've been doing, and postive results will happen. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: the HOM (Hookup-O-Matic) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 92 23:58:52 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) please e-mail me with your raving plans this weekend, Fri. 12/11 & 12/12. please include: name e-mail address rave(s) you'll be attending where you'll be travelling from (your home town) how you'll be getting there (do you have any more room?) how to identify you at the rave(s) (Ph.# is optional) also, if you want to go to a rave but don't have a ride, e-mail me anyway! i'll put you on the HOM, and you might just get a friendly voice on the phone friday, saying they'll give you a ride! thanx u munch. I'd like to get all the info by thursday DAY, so I can post it thursday night by the _latest_. raves happening this weekend are: FRI. DEC 11: RAVE 2020 Washington, D.C. HAPPINESS Philadelphia SAT. DEC 12: STORM RAVE New York <----- don't miss the ne-raves event of the year at Laura's before the Storm! TRANS-NEURO CORRIDOR Southern Maine FLINTSTONES Washington, DC HAPPINESS Baltimore whew! there's a lot to choose from, as long as you decide on Laura's and Storm... lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 00:31 EST From: EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES Subject: Donutrave Oh so sorry, my dear friends, but time does not permit me to partake in such festivities.... blah blah blah My research partner and I must work on our study that night. We're looking at preschool children's internal body part image. We had them draw for on an outline of a child what they thought was inside their bodies. Some of them were pretty smart. Anyhow, I hope yall have a good time at Venus this Thursday. Sorry to miss yall. (can you tell I was born in Arkansas?) Tin a [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 04:23:39 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (This is how it feels ) Subject: Assorted Ecstacy information The following is a small compliation of information on X. Someone asked me for it, and they didn't have access to alt.drugs, so here goes: I've tried to get mostly scientific sides of this, so they can be proved or disproved, rather than Urban Legend and myth. ------------------------------------------------------------------===> jna Ecstacy works on a special subset of nerves, specifically tryptaminergic nerve terminals. Specifically the ones in the hypothalamus and cerebral cortex. These special nerve terminals communicate with other nerves using tryptamine-derived compounds (Serotonin, 5-HT) MDMA produces primarily a relase of 5-HT and to a lesser extend DA. If you think that its because "it releases too fast" you obviously don't know shit. The current hypothesis of MDMA induced 5-HT neurotoxicity implicates calicium channels in a chain of reactions leading up to the axon bursting. >Nerves don't regenerate. Axons do. MDMA _bursts_ axons not nerve cells. 5-HIAA levels in animals rebound to almost normal levels. The studies done by Ricaurte show that MDMA neurotoxicity exists in rats when they are administered MDMA 2 times a day for four days intravenously in an amount that is approximately equivalent to 350mg in a human. At this level, still, nearly all 5-HT neurons regenerate as indicated by 5-HIAA & 5-HT levels. Furthermore, the approximation to 350mg is likely low because of the larger brain:body ratio in the rat than in the human. And there is some reason to believe that the cumulative dose of the human equivalent of 2.8 grams i.v. is the important factor due to the buildup of metabolites or cumulative effect on the neuron with each dose. In human studies there have been two studies -- one using psychiatric patients (and therefore flawed) that showed slightly lower levels of spinal 5-HIAA in MDMA users. And another one (although by no means difinitive) that did not use psychiatric patients, and found no lower levels of 5-HIAA in users of MDMA. And finally, in the IND which was recently approved by the FDA is a unpublished study done by Ricuarte. It used the equivalent of 100mg of MDMA every week for eight weeks administered orally in monkeys (thereby simulating roughly human use). The study found no damage. You may be thinking of MPTP which is a synthetic opiate created by a manufacturing error in the process of making MPPP. When taken it gets metabolized into MPP+ which selectively attacks dopamine neurons in the substantia niagra and induces a syndrome nearly identical to ideopathic parkinson's disease... MPTP is nasty shit. It also has nothing to do with MDMA other than having a four letter abbreviation that starts with an 'M'. --------end alt.drugs info--------- This letter appeared in "The Biochemist" Oct/Nov, 1992 which is the bi-monthly newsletter for the British Society of Biochemists (I think) Ecstasy: rave now, pay later? The hallucinogenic amphetamine "Ecstasy" (methylendioxymethamphetamine,MDMA) is the illegal drug with the fastest growth in popularity over the past few years. Scarcely a week goes by without a newspaper report or a television programme about MDMA: a new seizure of a record quantity of the drug or the death of someone who has taken Ecstasy. Use of this drug is now firmly established in youth culture in the UK., and is closely associated with the popular "rave" music: the pounding 100 beats-per-minute of the music is mirrored in the rapid heart beat induced by Ecstasy. Many people regard this drug as extremely safe, although this concept is no longer borne out by recent clinical and neurochemical evidence. In some parts of the world, MDMA was used clinically during psychotherapy because the drug is said to lower emotional barriers which help communication between the psychotherapist and patient. Other effects of the drug are a euphoric mood elevation and alterations in perception that are similar to those found with other hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD. In addition, Ecstasy produces increased activity: and effect that is similar to d-amphetamine (speed). There are also many adverse side-effects of MDMA including temperature elevation, dehydration, increased cardiac output, arrhythmia and hypertension. In some cases the side-effects are lethal: death can occur as a consequence of temperature elevation and dehydration, producing haemorrhage, intravascular coagulation and rhabdomyolysis. There were over a dozen deaths attributed to Ecstasy last year, most of which occurred when the drug users consumed MDMA at a night-club or party. One of the main neurochemical actions of MDMA is that of an "indirect agonist" of the neurotransmitter 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT). MDMA binds to the 5-HT transporter with high affinity and is thought to block t and d-amphetamine which block the uptake of dopamine by blocking the dopamine transporter. Another effect of MDMA binding to the 5-HT transporter is the induction of a massive release of 5-HT from nerve terminals. Thus, 5-HT which is released in many parts of the brain contributes to the mood-altering and temperature elevating effects of MDMA. Released 5-HT also modulates the activity of other neurones, including the same dopamine cells which are affected by cocaine and opiates. One mystery of MDMA is why it produces hallucinogenic like effects when there are other indirect 5-HT agonists (some are used clinically as anorexic and antidepressant drugs) which do not. One reason for this may be that MDMA has a high binding affinity to other membrane proteins including the 5-HT2 receptor subtype that is a known target for the hallucinogen, LSD. Therefore this interaction may contribute to some of the hallucinogenic effects of MDMA. It is not clear whether MDMA may be addictive, since animals will readily self-administer the drug, but not to the same extent as cocaine, nicotine or opiates. It is certainly not clear whether humans become addicted to the drug, but in a similar way to cocaine or amphetamine, "binge" use of MDMA is likely to lead to depletion of 5-HT stores in the brain that can lead to depression and anhedonia: these feelings may lead to more frequent drug use. Does Ecstasy produce brain damage? Apart form the worrying question of whether MDMA is addictive, there is also a question of its potential neurotoxicity. Much research, particularly at John's Hopkins Medical School and the Addiction Research Centre in Baltimore, has now been carried out on the long-term effects of MDMA of 5-HT neurones in rodents and non-human primates. These studies produce very consistent findings: that between 4 and 8 injections of MDMA (2.5-20mg/kg) profoundly affects neurones which synthesise 5-HT. Microscopic analyses show that markers of serotonin neurones simply disappear: levels of tryptophan hydroxylase and the serotonin transporter protein are reduced markedly and levels of serotonin can drop to 20% of control levels in some brain regions. These effects are long-lasting: in rats, serotonin levels did not recover for two years after MDMA administration. The neurotoxic component of MDMA is not known. It is possible that MDMA enters 5-HT nerve terminals and is metabolised into a quinoid or other free-radical producing substance which can damage 5-HT neurones such as tryptophan hydroxylase. Another line of evidence suggests that the MDMA neurotoxin may be a metabolite of dopamine. Whatever the toxin turns out to be, it is a very interesting question since an understanding of the mechanism of MDMA-induced neurotoxicity may help unravel the mechanisms of 5-HT cell death in the CNS. The long-term consequences of MDMA abuse in man is not known. At the present time, despite many years of effort, the precise role of the 5-HT system in the human brain makes it difficult to predict the effects of 5-HT neurone degeneration. Animals which have been injected with MDMA seem remarkably normal considering the extent of their loss of serotonin. In humans, the suspicion is that loss of 5-HT will lead to long-term loss of control over mood: perhaps anxiety or depression, or other effects such as psychosis or Parkinson's disease which may result from loss of 5-HT control of dopamine cells. Indeed, there have been some reports of psychoses induced by long- term MDMA use, but it is difficult to relate these cases directly to use of the drug. There is a clear need for further study into the effects of this drug on the human brain by use of techniques such as PET, in order to assess whether MDMA will produce long-term neurological effects on any of the hundreds of thousands of young people who continue to take this drug. Marcus Rattray Division of Biochemistry, UMDS, Guy's Hospital, University of London ----------- tryptophan hydroxylase is responsible in part for control of sleep and emotions. Most of the studies have been done with _mega_ doses of X. There is still reason to believe that taking the standard 100-125mg dose is safe. It's also funny to notice that they think 100+ BPM is fast. I think it's quite slow. -- John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 04:42:45 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Washington/Baltimore raves With three raves going on this weekend in the Washington/Baltimore area, how does one choose which one to go to. If you have an impressive cash flow, you go to all of them. However, if your cash flow is limited like mine, you can only choose one rave. Here's my assesment of rave/economic decision making. Rave 2020 Frankie Bones, Storm rave posse. $15. At the W.U.S.T space. An evening of hardcore with no chill out room. Vote=No. Flintstone A promotions group that's not all together. Had their last rave busted. $10. Unimpressive DJ lineup. Vote=No. (Too risky) Happiness No Hardcore. Scott Henry featured DJ. Atomic Vibe promoters. $8. Good DJ lineup. Vote=Yes. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 14:47 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: 303 :) >I really shouldn't post this to Ne-Raves, but I think there's enough >geeks hanging about to answer my needs (Todd S. ?) > >How in the hell does Gate Sync work on the 303? I just scored one >and I need to build a Sync box for it.. > >(for that matter, how does Sync work on any old synth..) I personally do not know how to do this, but there are a billion people on EMUSIC-L that could. The mail address is EMUSIC-L@AUVM.EDU. You can subscribe through EMUSIC-L-REQUEST@AUVM.EDU. I think it might be automated, so make the only line of text SUBSCRIBE JOHN. I was on there for quite awhile, but I'm less into the electronics end and more into the making of music. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 11:53 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: buying tix for STORM RAVE I've gotten a few email questions on this topic, so here's what I know (information taken from the Storm Rave flyer, the Joint Ventures newsletter, and from how things have gone in the past): The only way I know of to get a ticket ($15) for Storm is to do the following: All day Saturday, December 12th -- go to Planet X Records in New Brunswick, NJ. New Brunswick is about an hour's drive south of New York City. The address is 301 George St, and the phone number is (908) - 249 - 0304. I do not know if they will give you the location of the rave at that moment -- you might have to call Groove Records [ (718) - 714 - 5232 ] later in the evening to find out. Between 8pm and 2am Saturday, December 12th -- go to Groove Records at 64 Ave. U in Brooklyn. They will give you a map when you buy your ticket. Storm does not usually sell tickets at the "door" of the rave. The usual procedure is to stop by Groove on the way to the rave (since you've got to pick up a map _anyway_.) If you need directions to Groove and are *not* coming to my house first drop me some email. Groove is accessible by public transportation (take the N subway train to Ave. U and walk like 3 blocks). Storm usually runs a shuttle bus from Groove to the rave site. If you need more information on this try calling (212) - 631 - 1065. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 12:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: Thankyou My reactions to Explorer have already been pretty much stated by others so I won't go into that. I'd like to give a BIG thankyou to Rob and Eric for generously giving Alan and myself a ride. Sorry for the delay but this is the first chance I've had to read/respond to ne-raves. I've been catching up on all the work I neglected to go to Explorer. I wish I could go to Laura's this Saturday, I had a great time at her last gathering, but work will have to take precedence this time. Hopefully there will be a good ne-raves get together in late january (after I get back from europe) Oh well, back to work. Fran [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 18:26 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Merry Christmas-Programmer Style Source: Anonymous (Maybe someone could be creative and come up with one about raving?) ************************************************************************** T'was the night before implementation and all through the house, Not a program was working, not even a browse. The programmers hung by their tubes in despair with hopes that a miracle would soon be there. The users were nestled all snug in there beds, while visions of inquiries danced in their heads. When out in the computer room there arose such a clatter, I sprang from my desk to see what was the matter. And what to my wondering eyes should appear, but a superprogrammer (with a six pack of beer). His resume glowed with experience so rare, he turned out great code with a bit-pushers' flair. More rapid than eagles, his programs they came, and he cursed and muttered and called them by name. "On update, on add, on inquiry, on delete, on batch jobs, on closing, on functions complete." His eyes were glazed over, fingers nimble and lean, from weekends and nights in front of the screen. A wink of his eye, and a twitch from his head, soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread. He spoke not a word but went straight to his work, turning specs into code; then turning with a jerk; and laying his finger upon the ENTER key; the application came up and worked perfectly. The updates updated; the deletes, they deleted; the inquiries inquired, and closings completed. He tested each whistle, and tested each bell, with nary an abend, and all have gone well. The system was finished, the tests were concluded. The user's last changes were even included. And the user exclaimed with a snarl and a taunt, "IT'S JUST WHAT I ASKED FOR BUT NOT WHAT I WANT" [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1992 15:44:15 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: Washington/Baltimore raves Rave 2020 does promise to have a rather impressive lightshow... I have good memories of W.U.S.T. from my first Catastrophic Rave this summer...but a night of non-stop hardcore doesn't sound to appetizing to me... Atomic Vibe deserves some support...they are doing some rather unique stuff. At the same time, Flinstone represents one of the few groups doing "real" underground raves. And yes, their last one was busted...that's part of the reality of the underground. I think I'm hitting at least Flinstone myself... -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 16:49 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The DJ list (was Re: Washington/Baltimore raves) I just looked at the DJ list for Rave 2020 and I don't think it's going to be entirely hardcore. I don't know about Anthony Scott and Frankie Hartung, but doesn't Josh Wink spin trance? When he was at LIFE he did the most weirdly ambient/trancy AMAZING set. Drool. I thought Lieven Degeyndt was breakbeat/house, too. Or at least that's what he spun one time when he was up in Boston. We should compile a list of East Coast DJs and what they usually spin. I'll start. Send me updates/corrections/additions. Please forgive me if some of the listings are wrong. They were basically done from my head and from looking at this week's Rave-O-Matic. I'll post this next week, and we can keep updating it like we do with the Techno Club List. I'll even drop the whole thing on the FTP site. Laura ------------------------NE-RAVES--KNOWN--DJ--LIST----------------------------- DJ Home Base Usual Style Also Spins -- --------- ----------- ---------- Adam X Brooklyn hardcore trance Anthony Scott DC Art Vader Bobble Boy Blake Damon Wild Dan DC New Jersey Dante New York City trance Dave the Wave Dave Trance Long Island-Caffiene trance Dayz-X-One New Jersey Debo Boston-Venus/Axis various Denard New York-Primal acid house trance dieselBoy Pittsburgh breakbeat DJ Freshco New Jersey DJ Reese New York-Primal DJ Say DC Frankie Bones Brooklyn hardcore house Frankie Hartung DC Heather Heather Brooklyn hardcore various Jacquelyn Christine New York-Primal various hardcore James Christian New York-Primal trance Jason Jinx Philadelphia Jeff Mills Jerry Jam Jimmy Crash Brooklyn hardcore john27 hardcore John Leonardo Josh Wink Philadelphia trance Keoki NYC-Limelight trance Lenny Dee Brooklyn hardcore LG Lieven Degeyndt DC Mario Genovese Brooklyn hardcore Mayhem Boston-The Loft breakbeat house Michael Meachum DC-Fifth Column Micro Long Island-Caffiene various Micro-Chip Microdot trance ambient Mr. Kleen NYC-NASA MTL acid house hardcore Mundy On-E New York-Liquid Sky Onionz New York/Boston trance house OPM DC Oshin Providence trance hardcore Overload Maine house trance Prom Boy New Jersey Ralphie Dee Repete New York-Limelight hardcore acid house Savage Boston hardcore Scott Henry DC Scott Richmond Poughkeepsie trance Spike New Jersey Suz-E Cyclone Baltimore hardcore Tim Ryan Boston-Venus trance Wash Baltimore [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 14:13:33 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Smart Drinks Yeah, mail to ccat@netcom.com, and tell him I sent ya. His name is Chris Beaumont, and he sells a few of 'em... Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 14:26:29 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: buying tix for STORM RAVE Is your party gonna be stoping at Groove Records for tix on the way? :) "Yes, we'd like 35 tickets, please...Um...no, we're not scalpers, everyone's waiting in the car...no REALLY!" ;^) Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 17:21 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: buying tix for STORM RAVE Everyone is responsible for getting their own tickets. The best way to go about it is to stop by Groove after leaving my house so you can get a ticket and a map. I am not organizing this, however, it is up to you to get yourself to Groove and get the ticket. I will provide directions to Groove from my house. On "rave nights" Groove is full of people and is quite a scene. Having a zillion people show up will not phase them a bit, believe me. I've been to two Storm Raves, and it's always like this -- you drive to Groove and run in to a bunch of people hanging around. It's fun! People move in and out of Groove quickly; I've never had to stand on line for more than about 2 minutes to get a ticket. Getting *in* to the rave is another story, however. Storm does a complete airport-style security check. Expect to have to stand on line for about hour. Last time the rave was supposed to start at midnight. We got there at about 20 to twelve. They didn't start letting people in until about 12.30. We got in 1/2 an hour later because we were near the front of the line. Some people arriving later had to wait nearly 2 hours to get through security. This is why the party is ending at 10 -- to give everyone ample time to get to Groove and get to the rave site early enough to be near the front of the line. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 14:55:06 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Moby update Any chance MOBY will come to Laura's Party? ;^) Pat. See ya on Sat.! ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 18:02 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Moby update Errrrgh! Can we keep the rumors about my party DOWN please! Moby *MIGHT* have come to the *LAST* one, but that's in the past and has no bearing on this weekend. As far as I know he wasn't even invited. I don't know him personally. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 18:33 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: list of pre-rave party attendees Many people have asked me to post a list of who's coming. So here it is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Laura (laura@usl.com), John (jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu), Ed (ebh@mink.att.com), Becca (frans@wpi.wpi.edu), Taylor (tod3253@acfcluster.nyu.edu), Dave (djm@bedford.progress.com), Camper (camper@buphy.bu.edu), Tareq (tma@po.cwru.edu), Pat (salsbury@netcom.com), Chuck (revar@aol.com), Damian (dieselBoy, who will be spinning), Mike/Brian/Jack (all from Pittsburgh), Donato, Shalako (sscoen@athena.mit.edu), Mike (map@cs.brown.edu), DJ Mars (mhv0@lehigh.edu, who will be spinning), e va n (epr0@lehigh.edu, who will be spinning), Eric (freeman-eric@cs.yale.edu), Lionel (lionel-woog@cs.yale.edu), Elisabeth (freeman-elisabeth@cs.yale.edu), plus a few non-ne-raves people. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: XDZebra Review #19 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 16:49:36 MST XDZebra Review #19 Discard the old Addiction address. Send (lots of) stuff to my house now: Addiction 266 Delmar Ct. Salt Lake City, UT 84101-1817 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational Music: FAX 805/893-8553, Phone 805/564-4949, email angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu Back issues are available. Mail me if interested. This is all my opinion. Flames against a review are pretty pointless, so don't bother. Let me know if you have any other comments though. The number next to the index is the "dance factor". 5 = high, 1 = low XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #19 Contents: Tunes From The Chocolate Box Transformer 2: Fruit of Love/Pacific Symphony Trance Shut Up and Dance: Raving I'm Raving Remix Yellow Magic Orchestra: Reconstructions Egyptian Empire: The Horn Track Tunes From The Chocolate Box Wonka Beats/USA Import Music: SABAM WONKA C.D.1 1 4 07:07 The Traveller Date M. 2 4 05:26 Jambo: Drumattack 3 3 04:32 Astro Spider: Don't Be Afraid 4 5 06:44 Aqua Step: The Flower (Original) 5 4 05:27 Serendipity: Something I Feel 6 4 04:41 Aqua Step: Oempa Loempa 7 5 05:17 Jambo: Drumattack (Remix) Comments: The penultimate tribal label releases their first compilation. After all the hype over Wonka Beats' divinity, I'm more than a little disappointed in the contents. Underneath the bamboo and the bongo, there isn't a whole lot of innovation going on. Not many tracks stand out as something I'd want to return to listen to again. The Aqua Step tracks are definitely the best things going on this compilation. One can only wish for an album. Summary: 6/10. Short (40 minutes) and low on originality. Word has it that this comp isn't a very good example of Wonka Beats' music. Transformer 2: Fruit of Love/Pacific Symphony Sonic: SNC-2016-2 1 4 03:32 Fruit of Love (Techno Vocal Edit) 2 4 06:47 Fruit of Love (Pacific Passion Vocal Mix) 3 3 05:13 Pacific Symphony (UK Supercali Remix) 4 4 04:38 Pacific Symphony (Benelux Swing Remix) 5 4 08:10 Fruit of Love (Techno Vocal Mix) 6 5 06:13 Fruit of Love (Fruiture Sound Vocal Mix) 7 4 05:00 Pacific Symphony (Original Mix) 8 4 06:20 Pacific Symphony (Italian Smooth Remix) 9 4 04:01 Fruit of Love (Pacific Passion Edit) 10 5 05:39 Fruit of Love (Guitar Vocal Mix) 11 4 06:38 Fruit of Love (Pacific Passion Instrumental) Comments: One of the most remix packed singles I've ever purchased. I'm glad that both of these tracks are scrumptious to start with so I didn't get bored with the whole thing. The remixes themselves are distinguishable and well done. Nothing is really notable except the "Guitar Vocal Mix" which sounds a bit like Robyn Guthrie to start with then Roddy Frame in the middle, very well done. The "Edit" tracks are a bit pointless since they are just shorter versions of the mixes, but I doubt I'll ever get angry because someone put too much music on a disc. Summary: 9/10. Diva laced swooping ambience with high danceability. Good stuff. Trance Rumor Records: cdraid 508 1 4 07:10 Herbal Infusion: The Hunter (Herbal Club Mix) 2 2 04:48 Havanna: Schtoom 3 3 06:50 The Age of Love: The Age of Love (Watch Out For Stella Club Mix) 4 3 09:27 Bommshanka: Do What U Wanna Do 5 4 06:13 React 2 Rhythm: Intoxication (Dubfield Mix) 6 3 06:49 The Aloof featuring Ricardo Nicolia: On a Mission 7 2 07:41 Uncle Bob: Uncle Bob's Burly House 8 4 07:04 Bizarre Tracks: Sensory Delight 9 4 06:08 The Drum Club: U Make Me Feel So Good (The Deep n' Hard Mix) 10 3 07:11 Acorn Arts II: Body (The Zoom Snake Charmer Mix) 11 5 04:53 Mind Over Rhythm: The Crossing Comments: A smoother than smooth collection of tribal, progressive house, and trance. Virtually all of the tracks are calm, but hold interesting percussion lines and well suited samples. Personal favorite is "The Crossing" which samples Bulgarian Women's Choir (yet again) and builds into a wall of rhythm. A slap on the head goes to The Drum Club who seem to really want to remix the Orb but can't get permission to. Summary: 8/10. A fine representation of the three presented dance styles. Shut Up and Dance: Raving I'm Raving Remix Roughmix/Dance Records: RTD 128.1428.3 1 04:23 Raving I'm Raving (Remix feat. Peter Bouncer) 2 04:48 Runaways 3 04:14 Raps My Occupation Comments: The absolute worst piece of garbage I have heard in a long time. The title track kicks in with all the force of Lionel Richie with Peter Bouncer crooning about "Everybody was so happeeee, I'm raving, I'm raving." Makes me want to hunt these people down and give them a dose of my happiness after listening to this pathetic piece of slime. "Runaways" and "Raps My Occupation" only goes to prove that there is a broad line between good and bad rap. This unfortunately, is on the far side of the latter. My little sister could probably pump out a better rap than these clowns. Summary: 0/10. Crawford rating: Lepers/venereal disease/fecal ripple. Yellow Magic Orchestra: Reconstructions Internal: LIECD 2 869945.2 1 4 03:50 Multiplies - The Altern8 Remix (Edit) 2 4 05:11 Light in Darkness - The 808 State Remix 3 1 04:41 Tong Poo - The Orb Remix 4 3 05:36 Firecracker - The Shamen Remix Comments: Each group shows their individual styles in remixing YMO. Altern8 is quirky and fun, 808 is electric and distinct, Orb is slow with an odd rhythm, and the Shamen turn in some standard dance fodder. Orb's track may seem boring, but a listen on the headphones reveals some fantastic stereo effects. The jacket states that all of these tracks are available on "Hi-Tech/No Crime" so purchasing this EP may be pointless. Summary: 7/10. Good but this EP is too short. More of a teaser for the album. Egyptian Empire: The Horn Track Ffrreedom: TABCD 115 1 5 06:40 Original Mix 2 3 06:15 Foghorn Mix 3 4 04:21 Toxic 2 Mix Comments: This piece builds for a full minute then explodes in a frantic bass and drum line. Very reminiscent of Aphex Twin's "Digideroo". After it gets there though, Egyptian Empire doesn't seem to know what to do with it. After the second minute has gone by, we just have parts dropping in and out with a large tone feedback thrown in for good measure. Yet this is still a great track, it just gets a bit boring after a while. The remixes don't help much since they aren't near as interesting as the original. I would have rather seen some different tracks. Summary: 7/10. This is on Ffrreedom, so it will more than likely start making the compilation rounds. Best to wait for it. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 16:00:02 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: "Drum attack" Yup, I have it right here in front of me. This CD is an excellent compilation of tribal house. Title: "Tunes from the Chocolate Box (a CD coompilation)" Label: Wonka Beats / USA Import Music (Belgium) Tracks: 1. The Traveller: "Date M" 2. Jambo: "Drum Attack" 3. Astro Spider: "Don't Be Afraid" 4. Aqua Step: "The Flower" 5. Serendipity: "Something I Feel" 6. Aqua Step: "Oempa Loempa" 7. Jambo: "Druma Attack" (remix) I hope Wonka has a sequel in the works because this CD misses some incredible tracks that are available on 12": "Another Day" by Jambo, "Walhallah's Gate" by Aqua Step and "Do You Feel Me" by Serendipity. (And this CD is only 40 minutes long, too. Grrrr...) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 20:47:56 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Subject: Ride to STORM If anyone is going to STORM from Boston area or passing through Boston and can offer me a ride down, please e-mail me, or call me at 493-2973. I'd be ecstatic to share the gas cost. Also, if I don't get to go to STORM, I'd like to at least go to Transneurocorridor, if anyone can give me a ride. I have two tickets, that I'd be happy to give away if I'm not going (one if I am going). My e-mail address is fort@husc.harvard.edu. Will you be my Santa Claus? PEACE and whole lotta merriment Peter (ZE KraZy CzEK) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 09 Dec 1992 22:06:05 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu Subject: samplers/keyboards...etc. Well....if I am interested in making my own techno songs, how do I get started? Should I buy a sampler? keyboard? Macintosh? If anyone knows anything ... please reply. Peace. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 02:03:42 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Song of the siren) Subject: Re: samplers/keyboards...etc. Oh god, get a mac, run vision or performer (depending on your school of thought) a DAT deck, a couple old analog synths, a sampler and there you go. Just get someone to give you a bunch of 909 samples and buy a couple effects boxes (quadraverbs, midiverbs, lexicons if you're rich) and a excellent mixer (mackie 1202 comes to mind) ... Toss in some extra creativity, some luck, and you'll make a single, it'll hit the dance floor and you'll be famous for a month or two. We like it cause it's fun :) -john [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 03:45:57 -0500 From: jna@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Oddities in rave-o-matic For trans-neuro corridor it's funny that they list the same lighting company twice.. SP> SP>Insane Lights and Sound by: 1st Strike + Pandemonium SP> But I'm just being picky. It's the same person. I'm working on a calendar-format of rave-o-matic .. but I'm having a hell of time making enough space for 3-4 things a night .. :) raving,raving,raving... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Michael JP Tuminello Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 04:07:06 EST Subject: nyu dir help Hey Could someone from nyu help me out? I'm trying to locate a friend's email address, but am having difficulty murking through the phone lines, possibly because she doesn't have one. I would appreciate the assistance. later on. m [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: donutRAVE, Loft, & the HOM. Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 08:32:45 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Hope everyone's heard about the donutRAVE thursday night! donuts, the UFOrb release party at VenusDiMilo, and Debo & ONIONZ!!!! a few ne-raverz who haven't been to RISE at the Loft on fridays, have expressed an interest in going with me sometime. last friday I was given _A LOT_ of flyers for this friday's RISE, so if you haven't gone before, i can give you a flyer, and you can get in for $7. also, for the raverz that have been to RISE before, and want to go again, LET'S ALL GO TOGETHER! ;^) e-mail me. (peter, christa...this means you! let's go!) LAST DAY TO SUBMIT TO THE Hook-up-O-Matic! I want to post it tonight! (thursday) n e - r a v e r z ! U - n i t e ! "Let's get together, and we'll feel alright.." "One Love" - Robert Nesta Marley lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 08:51:25 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: Moby update Maybe Damian can advise him to get a modem with hix Mac, and then he can subscribe to ne-raves and go to all of our fabulous pre-rave parties. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 10 Dec 1992 12:20:03 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: samplers/keyboards...etc. he most important piece of equipment to own if you want to do techno is a sampler, that is if you have a limited budget and can't buy EVERYTHING. a sampler will allow you the widest variet of sounds..it will also make it sound like you have a 909,808,303 and anything else you want. once you start building a stockpile of gear, you can buy the REAL 909's and 808's.. macintosh computers are the prefered computer of choice for music. they are the most user friendly and have a great amount of software available. try MOTU's "performer" (what i use) .. anything in the top range of sequencing software.. (performer, cubase, vision) is great... and they're all relatively the same. here's some stuff to look out for if ya wanna make techno: drum machines: roland tr808, 909, 707, 606 roland R8 (probably your best buy.. it has cards of 909s,and808's with full up to date features... a wonderful machine) kawai xd-5 (drum SYNTHESIZER. you can make your own drum sounds.. always cool) e-mu procussion analog synths: practically anything pre-1986 will sound amazing for techno... sequential circuits stuff (six trak, max, split-8)...roland juno or jupiter series... korg stuff..moog.. anything with lots of knobs.. and prefferably MIDI.. (which can be a problem in older synths) samplers: emax $1000 akai s900 $1000 ensoniq eps $1000 ensoniq eps16+ $1500+ korg dss1 $500 (cool, 'cos it has a synth built in) casio fz-1 $800 a million more... "new synths" many new fancy synths aren't that good for creating the fat, juicy techno sound. however, it's nice to have one around for lush string patches or pretty, airy sounds for trance.. (that's what i use my K4 mostly for).. if you get a synth like a kawai K4 or a wavestation you'll get some resonance in it.. which is helpful for creating analog-type sounds. just remember. analog is the way to go. samplers are the shit. roland tb303 is worth selling your house for.. and a good background in MIDI and non-MIDI interfacing is helpful. the more you know, the more you'll be able to do with your equipment...and the best stuff to do with your equipment is the stuff that you're NOT SUPPOSED to to with it. >.taylor.device.909 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 13:00:13 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Add Yet Another Maniac To The List please add: tibbetts@hsi.com thanks: tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 19:26:17 +0100 From: kesma@e5.ijs.si (Vladimir Neskovic) Subject: subscribe waiting for the rave list to come. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 14:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: I NEED HELP (again..) Hi Gang - Fluid here, As you may remember I am a poor raver from the University of Delaware. I would REALLY like to go to Lauras this weekend and meet all you people who fill my inbox everyday. I also woudn't mind the chance of going to my first Storm-rave. So, I dont want anyone to go out of their way 'cos I have other options but if anyone is passing through then I would greatly appreciate the chance of a ride. the University is located right off I-95 so hopefully it won't be too difficult for anyone. I would be more than happy to pay my share of the gas. Anyway, just in case I dont get to go....Have a good time at Lauras and Storm. I'm sure I'll see you all another time. Maybe I'll go to Happiness this weekend if I cant get a ride to NY. Thanx again. - aLaN (Fluid) :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 14:20:52 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: Moby update >As far as I know he wasn't even invited. ah, but damian is supposed to have invited him... >I don't know him personally. > damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) e va n trEE [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: stickers are ready!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 14:27:54 EST I picked up the stickers today. It was $50 more than expected so i will have to charge $5.00 for 20 stickers and $1.00 for 4. Just to break even, no profit. Sorry for any misleading info. So I can't wait to see everyone at lauras. rave on! chuck revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: donutRAVE has holes... Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 15:47:08 -0500 From: kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Alright, it seems like the donutRAVE meeting is sort of falling apart a little bit, since tina and donato are wimping out :-) So, I propose that we all just meet at Venus de Milo tonight instead of getting together beforehand. Look for me, I'll have a goateeeeeee, large black MIT-nerd/Elvis Costello glasses, and a ne-rave badge. -- cmk [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 16:36:04 -0500 From: Craig M. Kanarick Subject: donutRAVE, one more time... I promise this will be the last message about this subject... For those of you who are planning on going to the Orb Release Party tonight at Venus, donato and I are meeting at the Pizza Pad in Kenmore Square at around 9:30, so join us if you want! -- cmk [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Moby update Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 16:03:52 MST > damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) Nahh, that Moby is just such a wanker he'll bother anyone for silly reasons. He's always over at my place wanting to borrow CDs and read my magazines. I'll often come home and he's sitting on the porch waiting for me to arrive, usually, I'll just groan, "Moby go away, I'm busy." Joke son, it's a JOKE. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Moby update Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 23:22:15 EST > > > damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) > > Nahh, that Moby is just such a wanker he'll bother anyone for silly reasons. > He's always over at my place wanting to borrow CDs and read my magazines. > I'll often come home and he's sitting on the porch waiting for me to arrive, > usually, I'll just groan, "Moby go away, I'm busy." that's nothin. every time i turn around he's stopping in where i work, begging me to be his manager and asking for my input on all his songs. seems like every time he hits a creative block he comes running to me, "mike, mike, you gotta help me, i can't think of anything to write" so sometimes i say something like "why don't you sample a bunch of stuff from tones on tail and twin peaks and stick a breakbeat under it?" or other times i'll groan, "moby go away, i'm busy." mike [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 10 Dec 1992 23:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: moby listen folks.. moby lives 4 doors down from me on Mott street. every night he rings my buzzer.. taylor.. can you come over and help me with my MIDI system.. i have no idea what i'm doing? so i go over.. patch up all his synths.. jam some trance with him (i wrote "help me to believe").. then the hard part comes.. i want to go home. and he won't let me.. "oh please stay.. your music is so cool!" he says...come on.. i'll give you an S1100. tis' the same thing.. day after day... moby.. can't you see i'm busy. :) >>taylor.device.909 ps: on a serious note: did anyone else hear that he got signed to a MAJOR label? i did.. and was wondering if it was true... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 21:08:01 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Moby update >> > damian is so famous these days that everyone calls him up on the phone. :) >> >> Nahh, that Moby is just such a wanker he'll bother anyone for silly reasons. >> He's always over at my place wanting to borrow CDs and read my magazines. >> I'll often come home and he's sitting on the porch waiting for me to arrive, >> usually, I'll just groan, "Moby go away, I'm busy." >that's nothin. every time i turn around he's stopping in where i work, >begging me to be his manager and asking for my input on all his songs. >seems like every time he hits a creative block he comes running to me, >"mike, mike, you gotta help me, i can't think of anything to write" so >sometimes i say something like "why don't you sample a bunch of stuff >from tones on tail and twin peaks and stick a breakbeat under it?" or >other times i'll groan, "moby go away, i'm busy." yeah yeah yeah. I know what you mean - he used to use me to get samples for him off of FTP sites, until I told him to enroll in a rudimentary Unix class so he could get them for himself. Then he begged me for a Soda account so I said fine. (try it - moby@soda) That was a mistake. Now he's "write"ing me all the time, asking how to read mail and what "NNTP" means. I haven't told him about any of the rave lists yet because I'm afraid he'll just completely dominate them, telling us how "fucking great, man" that damned 1000 BPM song is. Yesterday he sent me a talk request asking how to delete files, so I said, "moby go away, I'm busy." Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: the HOM for 12/11 & 12/12 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 06:36:53 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) *************************** Well, here it is, folks! Hope it is * Hook-up-O-Matic * in time for you all to hookup with * << H.O.M. >> * each-other, for: * for weekend of * "Achieving ravelightenment is * Fri. 12/11 & Sat. 12/12 * more blissful with friends." *************************** n-joi... SHALAKO NAME E-MAIL MORE INFO -------------------------------------------------------------------- _RAVE 2020_ 12/11/92 WASHINGTON, DC Susie sk2479a@american.edu Ph.#: 202/885-7135. Call if you need a place to stay in DC. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _HAPPINESS_ 12/11/92 PHILADELPHIA Yoram uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu Lives in Philly. Will be wearing ne-rave badge. -------------------------------------------------------------------- _STORM RAVE_ 12/12/92 NEW YORK Laura La Gassa laura@usl.com She's throwing a prerave party! Be there or be insignificant! RSVP by e-mail. Driving from Hoboken, NJ. Has room for 2 or 3 raverz who don't have ride from her pre-rave party to STORM. Look for: Pink and green glow braclets, little round black sunglasses, short blonde hair, ne-raves badge. John Adams jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu jna@gnu.ai.mit.edu Will be at Laura's. Getting a ride from Boston. Sorry, no room. Look for: long hair, ne-raves badge. Taylor808 tod3253@acfcluster.nyu.edu Becca Frans frans@wpi.WPI.EDU Carpooling with Donato and John Adams (sorry, no more room) from Worcester, Ma. Will be at Laura's. Look for: tall (5'8"), ear-length red-brown hair, skinny, ne-raves badge, diamond stud nose-ring. Ed Horch ebh@mink.mt.att.com Dave McMahon djm@bedford.progress.com Ph.#:617/666-4286. Look for: 6' tall, blonde hair, sideburns, ne-rave badge. Will be at Laura's pre-rave party. Donato Miranda day: donato@applix.com nite: damir@wpi.wpi.edu Ph.#:508/839-3751. Driving from N. Grafton, Ma (unclear whether room still exists or not) Look for: ne-raves badge, reflector, shades. Pat salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu Will be at Laura's pre-rave holiday party also. Eric Freeman freeman-eric@cs.yale.edu Beth Freeman freeman-elisabeth@cs.yale.edu Lionel Woog woog-lionel@cs.yale.edu Eric, Beth, and Lionel are all going to Laura's party. They're taking the train from New Haven, CT to NY, then travelling by car. Ph#: 203/777-7425. e v a n epr0@lehigh.edu Mars mhv0@Lehigh.EDU Driving from Pennsylvania to (Marshal Villarosa) Laura's. Has room for people in PA. Ph#: 215/758-1909. Look for: ne-raves badge, rasta bag, and he says he'll be wearing clothes! dieselBoy damian@cislabs.pitt.edu (Damian Higgins) Carpooling from Pittsburgh with 3 other ne-raverz. Sorry, no room. Will be at DJing at Laura's party Look for: LONG striped Stussy beanie, ne-raves badge, small laminate that says "Fresh Fuck," short brown hair, and really big clothes. Chuck Fletcher revar@aol.com Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu Driving to Laura's and STORM from Providence. Has room! Boston & Providence raverz, e-mail him. Also: wouldn't mind getting a ride with someone else, to save a drive. Anyone with room going through Providence? Look for: A big white t-shirt with black-clad arms and legs sticking out of it (and a white stripe on the left leg), ne-raves badge. Tareq tma@po.cwru.edu Camper camper@buphy.bu.edu SHALAKO sscoen@athena.mit.edu Ph.#: 617/225-8317. Getting a ride with Dave McMahon (sorry, no room) from Cambridge, MA. I'll be at Laura's, of course. Look for: Tall (6'), 19 year-old brain in the body of a 14 year-old. Chin-length hair on top, the rest buzzed. Doc boots w/ red laces, size 40 stovepipe bluejeans (let's just say that two of me could fit in them), "Anarchic, spirituality thru technology" green long-sleeve T-shirt, normal, boring blue backpack (hey, it does the job). Sure-fire way to tell it's me: On a string around my neck, I have a little black whistle, a red flashlight, and a little Indonesian wooden mask, the face of which, is black with gold features on one half, white with black and red features on the other. pEAcE...lovE...rAvE! DESPERATELY IN NEED OF A RIDE!!!: Peter Fort fort@husc.harvard.edu Needs a ride to STORM from Cambridge, MA. *PLEASE!* Ph.#: 617/493-2973. Fluid brit@brahms.udel.edu (Alan Michael Parry) HELP!! Needs a ride from University of Delaware (on I-95). -------------------------------------------------------------------- _TRANS-NEURO-CORRIDOR_ 12/12/92 SOUTHERN MAINE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF A RIDE!!!: Peter Fort fort@husc.harvard.edu Would rather go to STORM, but has a *free* ticket to T-N-C for someone who can give him a ride to Maine, from Cambridge, Ma. Ph#: 617/493-2973. If he can't get a ride to T-N-C, or finds a way to STORM, he has *two* free tickets for it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- _HAPPINESS_ 12/12/92 BALTIMORE Eric McCormick 0004775674@mcimail.com Driving from DC. Sorry, no room. Look for: black leather backpack. Rob Campanell robcamp@well.sf.ca.us Going with Eric McCormick after Eric's holiday party (DC version of Laura's). Look for: stripey T-shirt, Expos cap, red & black Elmer Fudd coat. Mike Roberts proton@wam.umd.edu Driving from Laurel, MD (sorry, no room). Will be at FLINTSTONES earlier, then going to HAPPINESS around 2am. Look for: bright pink stocking cap w/ huge (6-7inches) ball on top. Fluid brit@brahms.udel.edu (Alan Michael Parry) Wants to go to STORM, but may end up at HAPPINESS if he can't find a ride. May need a ride to HAPPINESS from University of Delaware (on I-95). ----------------------------------------------------------------- _FLINTSTONES_ 12/12/92 WASHINGTON, DC Thomas Edwards tedwards@wam.umd.edu Travelling from College Park, MD. Look for: UM RaveCoalition badge, and will be dancing around a helium-neon laser. Susie sk2479a@american.edu Ph.#: 202/885-7135. Call if you need a place to stay in DC. Hans Enders henders@eos.ncsu.edu (until the 15th) Driving up I-95 from Raleigh, NC. Has room for 2 or 3. Look for: glowstick & ne-badgie on ball-chain. Monkey boots. Jeans or brown pants. blonde, short hair, headband(?), white T's or button down white shirt, pointy nose, toothy "Perry Ferrel" grin & eyes.. Also: Wants to hit DC for Catastrophic on New Years' Eve. Any info for lodgings would be appreciated. Clean and friendly. Mike Roberts proton@wam.umd.edu Driving from Laurel, MD (sorry, no room). Will be at FLINTSTONES earlier, then going to HAPPINESS around 2am. Look for: bright pink stocking cap w/ huge (6-7inches) ball on top. Inhuman inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Michael) Arriving around 11 or 12. Hitching a ride with a friend from DC, may be more room. Look for: 17 yrs old, about 5'8", brown hair, brown eyes. Will be wearing a shirt that says in glow-in-the-dark letters on the front "Sin" and on the back "Virtue," and a ne-raver 3.5" disk (with my phone# & RSA public key on it!) around my neck. ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 06:47:01 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (because of whirl-jack) Subject: Re: the HOM for 12/11 & 12/12 Don't let the feds get ahold of that one. Now they know where we are. :) -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 08:21:28 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE I was flipping through Details magazine and one of their fashion spreads was about "independent & creative " people and what they wear. Well the first page had 5 "ravers" on it wearing "rave" clothing. They had (excuse me if I get the names wrong), Scotto of NASA (wearing an armani jacket), Soul SLinger, Keoki,Zacks or Tracks (I can't remember), and Jason Jinx. Anyways, they had a blurb interview with Scotto and he mentioned that he had an 800 number (see subject) so that people all around the us could join in the rave experience and save the environment (he says 10% of his proceeds go to greenpeace). He also mentions Ravestock to be held in june near Woodstock. Just for your info... BTW, is the utah saints LP out? They had a review of it in the magazine ("...utahs saint's brilliant LP..."). ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: the HOM for 12/11 & 12/12 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 8:25:11 EST alright, as of 9:30pm last night it looks like the '3 other ne-ravers' carpooling with Damian 'dieselBoy' Higgins are going to be me (driving), Todd Sines (if he can get off work Sunday), and Charles Noel (Todd's roommate/bandmate). Todd is 6' tall and kind of goofy looking, I'll be the kind of goofy looking white guy with pathetic attempts at dreadlocks, and Charles will be the kind of goofy looking guy with real dreadlocks. Damian is short and kind of goofy looking. It was up in the air last night as to what we were going to do. Also there is the possibility of GoldenBoy coming with us, too, if he drives down to Columbus from Cleveland today. We might try to stay at Taylor808's or Laura's if we arrive in the wee hours of the morning Saturday. Then we'll go shopping during the day, Laura's pre-rave party that night, and the rave after that. Maybe. Mike "kind of goofy looking" Brown [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Dec 92 08:56:38 EDT From: Subject: Moby You guys are lucky ! He comes to me for dance lessons. "Golden Boy" he says, man you truly RAVE. Do you think you can teach me how to dance like that. But "Moby", I say, I've already taught you a few things, go from there, now go away, can't you see I'm busy. Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 09:17 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: NYC Weather Update Here's the scoop: It's barely raining now but it is INCREDIBLY windy. A fence blew down on my car and I can't move the fence so I can't move my car which means I'm not at work today! (Ed, Taylor, Donato, Becca, John -- guess what you guys get to help me do tonight -- move the damn fence). According to the news the airports are all fine. There is lots of flooding, but since the rain has died down so much a lot of the problem will have gone away by tonight. The storm is supposed to die down over the course of tonight and tomorrow. It won't get below freezing here, not even at night, so we don't have to worry about ice. It's supposed to rain off and on Friday night and Saturday. Saturday night will be cloudy and 39 degrees. Sunday will be partly cloudy. There is snow in the inland portions of Connecticut, Massachussets, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. The storm is moving from Pennsylvania toward Maine, so you guys coming from Pittsburgh will be on the trailing edge of it all. Talk about a "STORM" rave . . . Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 09:47:20 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: Moby > > >You guys are lucky ! He comes to me for dance lessons. "Golden Boy" he says, >man you truly RAVE. Do you think you can teach me how to dance like that. >But "Moby", I say, I've already taught you a few things, go from there, >now go away, can't you see I'm busy. > >Golden Boy > "e va n," he says, "you did such a good job with drop a beat, go, and next is the e- please come out of the closet! i can't bear taking credit for your techno songwriting genius any more; it's driving me crazy! maybe you can get that 'short goofy looking' guy dieselBoy to help you out." "moby," i say, "shut up. all you have to do is dance around and pretend you're playing your one keyboard on stage- isn't that easy enough?? now go away, SHOO, i have more important things to do- like going to laura's party saturday night!" "gee, e va n," he asks, "can i come?" "no," i respond, "of course not!!!" e va n trEE o n e r a v e n a t i o n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs / \ || breakbeat for thought [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 10:11:33 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: venus de milo review in boston well, last night at venus de milo was a whopper, tim ryan spun an incredible house set (i didn't even know he owned house) then debo and onionz had a spinoff! it was the most incredible progressive house-a-thon ever! i hope they do that more often. -camper. p.s. if you slipped in something last night, that was a big pool of my spooge. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english youve never been this high @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 10:17:24 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: moby but the worst is when he calls me up to borrow clothes, "camper, do you have a long sleeve t-shirt i can wear tonite?.." but he's sneaky too., "hey camper, where did you say you got that hat?" then next thing you know, he shows up at a rave wearing the same thing as me. i hate that. from now on, when he asks me i'll say, go away moby, i'm busy. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english that's not MY snot! @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 10:24:56 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: moby >did anyone hear that he (Moby) got signed to a major label? I believe it was Sony.....I think Mike [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 10:17 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Moby This is so much fun. I want to play. e va n says: >"moby," i say, "shut up. all you have to do is dance around and pretend you're >playing your one keyboard on stage- isn't that easy enough?? now go away, >SHOO, i have more important things to do- like going to laura's party saturday >night!" >"gee, e va n," he asks, "can i come?" >"no," i respond, "of course not!!!" Actually, he calls me all the time wanting to know where the raves are. "moby," i say, "shut up. all the information i know is in rave-o-matic. now go away and try ftp to media-lab.mit.edu. Or go bother Heather Heather." Laura (hey, I need a name. any suggestions?) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: venus de milo review in boston Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:57:59 -0500 From: kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU In message <9212111511.AA05394@buphy.bu.edu> you write: >well, last night at venus de milo was a whopper, >tim ryan spun an incredible house set (i didn't even know he owned house) >then debo and onionz had a spinoff! it was the most incredible progressive >house-a-thon ever! >i hope they do that more often. I sorta agree :-) I had a great time meeting up with all the ne-ravers (except you camper, I couldn't find you...) and I thought Tim Ryan was pretty good. While their technical skills were really good, debo and onionz, however, played a little too much house for my tastes... -- cmk [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:54:37 -0500 From: map@cs.brown.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Subject: moby you guys are crazy. ;) moby is always writing me long, florid, angst-filled letters on cheap stationery, moaning that he has no meaning in his life. "why are we here?" he'll ask. ""should i read nietzsche? what about aquinas"? finally, i got sick of him and told him "moby, go become a monk or something. or better yet, check out fundamentalism. it's *rteal* cool." mike t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:22:04 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: moby... poor guy! if he could only see what we're doing to him. maybe i'll get him over here and show him all these things we're been writing..but no, then he'd ask to play with all my keyboards.. and want to show me some of his new stuff. i'm just to busy for that moby. >>taylor.trance.device [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason P. Milletary" Subject: Re: moby... > poor guy! if he could only see what we're doing to him. maybe i'll get him oh sure...and he'll come crawling to me as usual... Jason...they're making fun of me... "uh, moby" you're so together...and i lack that self-confidence "uh...moby...dood" please help me.... "just keep thinking...I'm good enough..I'm smart enough...and gosh darnit, people like me...no go away...im busy" l808r, --jason (dj guile) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Moby (hmm!) From: John A Savage Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:00:05 -0500 Well, I was at a somewhat private rave one time and this weird guy comes over. "Like, cool T-Shirt, man. Can I buy it off you?" "No, Fucking way". I said," who do you think you are, Moby?" "Yes, I am", he said and wandered off...................... Troc (the British raver, who seems to be lost in the USA) !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! John Savage : Troc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ! Wot no disclaimer? ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! or using "snail-mail" at :- !"I see a dark sail on the horizon. ! ! ! Set under a black cloud that hides ! ! Apt # 205 ! the sun. Bring me my broadsword ! ! 2905 N. Charles St, ! and clear understanding. Bring me ! ! Baltimore, ! my cross of gold as a talisman." ! ! Maryland 21218 ! ! ! U.S.A. ! Jethro Tull, Broadsword ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:48 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: STORM warning for New York City Is it a rave or the National Weather Service? It's BOTH. Let me tell you, stuff is ugly here in New York City. It's raining, but not too hard. The terrible thing is that it is SO WINDY. 30 mph with gusts over 50 mph. It's also snowing off and on north and west of the City. The further west you go the more snow there is. There's also lots of flooding. At this second the Tapanzee Bridge is closed, as is the Garden State Parkway. There is no train service south of Stamford, CT. The PATH between New York City and New Jersey (Hoboken) is dead. New York City Transit advises people NOT to take the subways because of the potential for power failure. The waves have broken over the sea wall in Brooklyn and are flooding Coney Island. I just talked to our own dear DJ Slip (Ed - ebh@mink.att.com) and he's coming up to my place with his 1200's, PA, and lights no matter what. Gotta love him. Actually, I was crying to him that I didn't want to be marooned alone the whole weekend, so he agreed to keep me company! Then I called Dennis the Menace of Joint Ventures (the Storm Rave Promotional arm) (and yes, he does have a real last name, and I know what it is too), and Dennis says STORM is still on. Just to make sure I then called Groove Records itself. The conversation went like this: Me: I'm calling to find out if tomorrow night's rave is still on. Groove: Definitely. Me: Even with all the water and wind and stuff? Groove: Definitely. Me: So cool. I'll see you all tomorrow night then. So, I'm still going to be here and will still welcome anyone hardcore enough (insane enough) to make the trip. But please, be safe, allow yourself extra time, and remember that there will be other raves and other pre-rave parties if you miss this one. By the way: Eric Mc Cormick: if you are reading this please give me a phone call this evening or tomorrow at (201)-217-9192. I hear you are having a DC version of a pre-rave Christmas party, and I want to talk to you about establishing a brief phone link during our parties so we can say hi to all our raver friends in DC. Love to you all, Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:26:37 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: RE: moby Your not gonna believe this... This morning I got a phone call from none other than moby. He called me at 8:00am, woke me up, and said "Fluid..I need your help...My printer just ran out of paper and I don't know how to reload it." Well I tried to explain it to him over the phone but he still didn't understand so I went round to his house and showed him how to do it. Anyway, I was just about ready to leave when he called after me "Fluid, Fluid,...come back. Now my computer is working!" ..."try plugging it in to the wall moby" I said. You'd think a guy like moby could figure these thing out...but no. Next time I'll just say "go away moby- - I'm busy" [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:00:41 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE The day ravestock is held is the day the rave scene dies. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:43:34 MST Just gave these clowns a call. I called them before a little bit before the Meat Beat show here and got a person and not a machine. He seemed very enthusiastic to have me calling, then asked me to call back later with whatever rave information I had for the line. All I can say is that the clown doing the announcements is about as boring as wet salt. That Rave-America thing really bites as well. However, the "day the rave scene dies" is ridiculous. If you think about it, it is already dead. LA's raves are either completely commercial, or small underground ditties. In England, everything is completely subsurface and the days of big countryside raves are gone forever. Most of the people who are into supporting the scene are starting to tire of the word "rave" and are coming up for different excuses for undergrounds. I could sit and whine about how some of my favorite bands grew up and went tramping around the country in Lollapaloozer, but why? There's plenty of smaller bands to be had in clubs. I overheard some of the people in the Communion tour joking about someone who hadn't "sold out yet." Jack laughed and said, "You mean he hasn't been approached by a major label yet?" Money is pretty attractive and unless you're Tom Waits, its hard not to feel its pull. So now one of the best techno artists, Moby, has signed to Sony, do you think that his subsequent releases will be crap? Maybe so, maybe not. I know I'll find it a lot less intriguing once it starts charting on Billboard. In the summer of 1990 I ran across a band opening for Jesus & Mary Chain that I was absolutely frantic about. I couldn't care less about Nine Inch Nails now. But there will always be an alternative. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:46:44 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: music shopping tales yesterday, to blow off a little steam from Finals Stress(tm), i made the rounds of providence's three-alternative-music-stores-on-one-block(tm) just a-lookin' fer some good stuff. at one point, i was idly flipping through the Ts or something and i thought "why not see if there's anything under 'JAMs'?" then i distinctly said to myself "yeah, right. like they're going to have any JAMs stuff." but i went and looked anyway, and there, nestled in with , i beheld, wonder of wonders, the JAMs 1987. so i am now the Proud Owner(tm) of that classic of musical development, abba's dancing queen interspersed with bad scottish rapping. of course, it seems immediately obvious that whole thing will get old rather quickly, but i feel like i own a piece of history. in related topics: has anybody heard this 808/UB40 thing "1 in 10"? does it suck rocks? is it good? i saw a bunch O' mixes yesterday on CD for $10. i also saw the utah saints album or whatever it is. how pleasing that it contains both something good and what can you do for me (at least i think it does). like i haven't had enough of those. i will have to see what else it has at some point though. anybody heard it yet? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:53:48 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE On the east coast the scene is still pretty underground, even the major raves. I was going to raves before they were called raves. We called them warehouse parties - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:21:09 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: in the days before raves [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] On the east coast the scene is still pretty underground, even the major raves. I was going to raves before they were called raves. We called them warehouse parties - Rob my people called them maize. -camper. . +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english that's not MY snot! @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: in the days before raves Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:49:55 MST > On the east coast the scene is still pretty underground, even the major > raves. I didn't know that advertising in local papers counted for "underground." > I was going to raves before they were called raves. We called them > warehouse parties > > - Rob > my people called them maize. > > -camper. Yes, weren't the "good-for-you-drinks bar" and the "electronic synthesized music" and the hand cranking "disk spinners" hot back then? Is a rave only a warehouse party? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:12:38 -0500 Subject: Re: venus de milo review in boston yes, it was all that and more!! a groovee time for all! but the point of this post is NEXT week at venus. last nite, leaving, at the door, i was handed a Utah saints fashion show flier thingie, and i just stuck it in my pocket and blew it off... well, i just looked more closely at it, and next week, DANTE will be there !!! yeah!! i don't care if i end up going to work in a daze three weeks in a row, i'm there! see ya at storm!! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 14:16:58 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: moby... REPLY TO 12/11/92 10:51 FROM dood+@cmu.edu "Jason P. Milletary": Re: moby... hey doods, don]t be busting on moby, doods, he rocks. o.k.? like you could do almost half the things he could do with half your skills doods, so like just cut it out doods.... Shopwell fucking rules the world doods so fucking step-off. ingrates. and that cool world soundtrack: fucking brillant. baaa and for my next trick, sticking my head in the bass cabinet. pat To: dood+@cmu.edu cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:14:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael L. Smearer" <51039@bach.udel.edu> Subject: Add to list? I got this address from FLUID, with whom I have raved, and existed in happiness. Please please add me to THE LIST. -Michael [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) Subject: Subscribe Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:06:43 EST Please Subscribe me. Thank you.. -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com "I'll take your brain to another dimension.... ....Pay close attention!" [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:05:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: 800-4RAVELINE i recently called the 1-800-4RAVELINE to see what raves were coming up and after the list of raves, the person on the machine said to leave my name and number if i wanted more info or to get on the guest list for raves. well, two hours after i called and left my number, someone called me back and asked me if i wanted to get on the guest list for that friday at limelight in nyc. but i was already going to the palladium, so i said no thanks, but that i wanted to get on the guest list for the evolution-revelation rave on december 26th, and the guy said okay. my question is, is it that easy and simple to get on the guest list? also, what does being on the guest list really mean, reduced admission, free admission, or that you don't have to wait on line, you just go to the front and they check your name and they let you in? is dj denard the guy who works at vinylmania in nyc? thanks kenny [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:16:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: 1-800-4RAVELINE i recently called the 1-800-4RAVELINE to see what raves were coming up and after the list of raves, the person on the machine said to leave my name and number if i wanted more info or to get on the guest list for raves. well, two hours after i called and left my number, someone called me back and asked me if i wanted to get on the guest list for that friday at limelight in nyc. but i was already going to the palladium, so i said no thanks, but that i wanted to get on the guest list for the evolution-revelation rave on december 26th, and the guy said okay. my question is, is it that easy and simple to get on the guest list? also, what does being on the guest list really mean, reduced admission, free admission, or that you don't have to wait on line, you just go to the front and they check your name and they let you in? is dj denard the guy who works at vinylmania in nyc? thanks kenny [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:14:52 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: in the days before raves camper.. you're a goofy soul. :) >.taylor.trance.device [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Dec 1992 22:35:25 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu Subject: Domestic compilations I picked up 3 domestic compilations today... 1. Rising High Techno Injection on Instinct/Rising High... This is really good. Tracks like Tht Hypnotist's "House is Mine" and "Hardcore You Know the Score" along ^e with Dominatrix UK's "Possession" are good...some trancey stuff includes Rising High Collective's "No Deeper Love" 2. Berlin 1992: The Techno Sound of Berlin on Tresor Not as good....but it includes some good tracks like 3 Phase's "Der Klang Der Familie" and a GREAT song is "High on Hope" by Microglobe. 3. Only for the Headstrong Vol. 2 on FFRR Most commercial of the three...includes Utah Saints' "Something Good" Electroset samples New Order in "How Does it Feel." Too bad one of the worst songs of the year, Powerpill's "Pac Man", is on it. Anyone know anything about Isotonik? I really like them..their song "Everywhere I Go" is on this CD.....Overall, it's still not as good as Vol. 1...but still okay... Anyone have any comments, questions? Anyone want to tell me about some good compilations they have? Imports especially... Peace. -The Custom One [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:04:30 EST > The day ravestock is held is the day the rave scene dies. OK, so who wants to do the first breakbeat "American Pie" spoof? :-) -Ed )djSLiP( The party's happening *right now*, so go away, Moby, I'm busy. (Playing with new gadgetry, that is.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Raver Fumes in Siberia Date: Sunndey 13 Deesembrr 1992 Almost 1 AM on Sunday morning and I am trapped in Hartford CT knowing full well a goodly portion of the list here n-joi's the cleansing of their chakras in the presence of enlightened SRers. So I'll fill your mailbox: 1> Never forget that you might want to go to a SR B> N-Joi will be playing at the Palladium in NYC on Saturday the 19th (minus Saffron... *sigh*) e> U.F.Orb, Louder Than Bombs and The Snow make a good mix on a CD player. 4> thank god you wouldn't let Moby go to the party. I'm showing him how to use the net right now. Five> anyone going to REVELATION?! That will be the holykey event 6x> Naturally, we won't need another broom. ravingLUNatick! --Mr. Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:21:19 EST From: susie Subject: boy/girlcott flintstone hiya...wow basically flintstone sucked...i had been to one before and it wasn't that bad...but boy did this one hit bottom...well the only nice thing (which i will start off with) was the space...it looked like an old club/warehouse...fo r decorations they took electrical tape and taped up rolls of christmas wrappin g randomly on walls...it looked kinda silly...the tunes were bad...dude i don't know who was mixing but they should be ashamed...like everytime a good beat go t going it would change to something else with no continuity and was very distu rbing...that vibe wasn't there...as with other flintstones they were selling al cohol...and people were asking like crazy to buy/sell x/lsd...do i look like a drug dealer???? they had a smart bar in addition to the dumb bar but had no inf o explaining about them (which i find kinda irresponsible...)the video of the f lintstone christmas special wasn't bad...and there was a funny moment when this guy started trying to jump into the wall where the video displayed...i would c all this more of a warehouse party (which it was billed as) and not a rave...an d probably shouldn't be called a rave...(a rave has atmosphere)...so that is wh y i plan not to waste my time and money again...but i did have fun with skum@um d, suzi, and casey!!!!!...i think i knew it was a bad crowd when i saw some ame rican u people who rather bitchy...need i say more...don't go to flintstones th inking they are a rave...trying to....partyon...susie p.s. good chatting with e veryone at lauras party via vrave...hey laura and john you guys should join us on vrave sometime...i was wishing i could be there (finals suck)... 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Original message follows: Received: from AUVM by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7640; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:40:50 EST Received: from AUVM by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7639; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:40:49 EST Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:40:49 EST Received: from auvm.american.edu by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:36:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9212130836.AA00575@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3018; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:36:23 EST Received: from american.edu (SK2479A) by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7604; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:36:23 EST Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:21:19 EST From: susie Organization: The American University Subject: boy/girlcott flintstone To: ne-ravers hiya...wow basically flintstone sucked...i had been to one before and it wasn't that bad...but boy did this one hit bottom...well the only nice thing (which i will start off with) was the space...it looked like an old club/warehouse...fo r decorations they took electrical tape and taped up rolls of christmas wrappin g randomly on walls...it looked kinda silly...the tunes were bad...dude i don't know who was mixing but they should be ashamed...like everytime a good beat go t going it would change to something else with no continuity and was very distu rbing...that vibe wasn't there...as with other flintstones they were selling al cohol...and people were asking like crazy to buy/sell x/lsd...do i look like a drug dealer???? they had a smart bar in addition to the dumb bar but had no inf o explaining about them (which i find kinda irresponsible...)the video of the f lintstone christmas special wasn't bad...and there was a funny moment when this guy started trying to jump into the wall where the video displayed...i would c all this more of a warehouse party (which it was billed as) and not a rave...an d probably shouldn't be called a rave...(a rave has atmosphere)...so that is wh y i plan not to waste my time and money again...but i did have fun with skum@um d, suzi, and casey!!!!!...i think i knew it was a bad crowd when i saw some ame rican u people who rather bitchy...need i say more...don't go to flintstones th inking they are a rave...trying to....partyon...susie p.s. good chatting with e veryone at lauras party via vrave...hey laura and john you guys should join us on vrave sometime...i was wishing i could be there (finals suck)... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:21:19 EST From: susie Subject: boy/girlcott flintstone hiya...wow basically flintstone sucked...i had been to one before and it wasn't that bad...but boy did this one hit bottom...well the only nice thing (which i will start off with) was the space...it looked like an old club/warehouse...fo r decorations they took electrical tape and taped up rolls of christmas wrappin g randomly on walls...it looked kinda silly...the tunes were bad...dude i don't know who was mixing but they should be ashamed...like everytime a good beat go t going it would change to something else with no continuity and was very distu rbing...that vibe wasn't there...as with other flintstones they were selling al cohol...and people were asking like crazy to buy/sell x/lsd...do i look like a drug dealer???? they had a smart bar in addition to the dumb bar but had no inf o explaining about them (which i find kinda irresponsible...)the video of the f lintstone christmas special wasn't bad...and there was a funny moment when this guy started trying to jump into the wall where the video displayed...i would c all this more of a warehouse party (which it was billed as) and not a rave...an d probably shouldn't be called a rave...(a rave has atmosphere)...so that is wh y i plan not to waste my time and money again...but i did have fun with skum@um d, suzi, and casey!!!!!...i think i knew it was a bad crowd when i saw some ame rican u people who rather bitchy...need i say more...don't go to flintstones th inking they are a rave...trying to....partyon...susie p.s. good chatting with e veryone at lauras party via vrave...hey laura and john you guys should join us on vrave sometime...i was wishing i could be there (finals suck)... 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Original message follows: Received: from AUVM by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7640; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:40:50 EST Received: from AUVM by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7639; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:40:49 EST Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:40:49 EST Received: from auvm.american.edu by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:36:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9212130836.AA00575@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3018; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:36:23 EST Received: from american.edu (SK2479A) by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7604; Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:36:23 EST Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 03:21:19 EST From: susie Organization: The American University Subject: boy/girlcott flintstone To: ne-ravers hiya...wow basically flintstone sucked...i had been to one before and it wasn't that bad...but boy did this one hit bottom...well the only nice thing (which i will start off with) was the space...it looked like an old club/warehouse...fo r decorations they took electrical tape and taped up rolls of christmas wrappin g randomly on walls...it looked kinda silly...the tunes were bad...dude i don't know who was mixing but they should be ashamed...like everytime a good beat go t going it would change to something else with no continuity and was very distu rbing...that vibe wasn't there...as with other flintstones they were selling al cohol...and people were asking like crazy to buy/sell x/lsd...do i look like a drug dealer???? they had a smart bar in addition to the dumb bar but had no inf o explaining about them (which i find kinda irresponsible...)the video of the f lintstone christmas special wasn't bad...and there was a funny moment when this guy started trying to jump into the wall where the video displayed...i would c all this more of a warehouse party (which it was billed as) and not a rave...an d probably shouldn't be called a rave...(a rave has atmosphere)...so that is wh y i plan not to waste my time and money again...but i did have fun with skum@um d, suzi, and casey!!!!!...i think i knew it was a bad crowd when i saw some ame rican u people who rather bitchy...need i say more...don't go to flintstones th inking they are a rave...trying to....partyon...susie p.s. good chatting with e veryone at lauras party via vrave...hey laura and john you guys should join us on vrave sometime...i was wishing i could be there (finals suck)... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Storm report Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 14:10:45 EST [Note: I'm switching from the ten-point scale to the -4 to +4 scale, where a zero is worth the ticket price, i.e. better than mediocre. On that scale, Explorer I was a +2.] As I was writing my review of Explorer I, the long-range weather fore- cast called for massive snow this weekend. I love snow. By now, no matter where you've been hibernating, you must know what happened. What we got was a storm that was cold, windy, wet and unpleasant. As was the rave by the same name. We started out from Laura's party for Groove Records, and got our tickets without incident. Our first indication of trouble, however, was the non-map direction sheet. The best directions for us were those from the Verrazano. OK, Brooklynites, how do you get to the damn bridge? We zeroed in on it by dead reckoning. Too bad we couldn't do that with the rave site itself. The directions proved nearly useless; we finally got there by following the SR-logo signs. "There" was an indoor riding arena, about the size of a football field. Dirt floor ("raving on horseshit" -taylor). No heat. I guess they figured that a chillout area would be superfluous, 'cos there wasn't one of those, either. There was almost nothing to sit on at all, except the mud. Well, at least they didn't have to pay to refrigerate the smart drinks. We got in at about 1:00am. They didn't have metal detectors, so we got in quickly. Once inside our bags were searched and we were patted down. This was all done in front of a handful of NYC cops. No com- plaints here, since the last thing I wanted to do was stand in line for two hours like I did at the last Storm. When we got inside, Dave Trance was just finishing his set (grrr). Art Vader came on and played a underwhelming hardcore set. There was no vibe whatsoever. At the time, I wrote that off as the typical early Storm cooler full of beer, bag full of ganja phenomenon, which usually abates by 3:00 or so. It looked like the lack of heat wouln't be a problem. After all, a couple thousand bodies generate a lot of BTUs. But, the lovely staff was looking out for our comfort and well-being. When it would get too hot in there, i.e. so hot you couldn't even see your breath any more, they helpfully opened the three truck-access doors, bringing the temp back down to a more comfortable -5 C or so. OK. I was born in Minnesota. It takes a lot for me to get cold. I can fogive just about anything for the sake of good music and a vibe. After Artless Vader, Sandra Collins came on. She played great stuff; hope sprung eternal. Slivers of a vibe started to float about. If it was ever going to really jell, that's when it would have happened, but when we all screamed when one of our Favourite Songs was played, it was apparent that it was just not to be. I want to remember the entire set, not just parts of it, and it takes a good vibe for me to be able to do that. Besides, any hope of a sustained vibe was nicely prevented by the irregular reactivation of the aforementioned climate-control system. Oh, and to add to the overall effect, they periodically brought up the house lights, since that would help the video turn out better. Sandra's set ended. Time for more hahd-koah, I guess, but let's give credit where due -- I'll take a set of Lenny Dee any time. Plus, these days, he likes to start his sets with Cosmotrash, which may be the only hardcore track to ever make the top ten list of djSLiP (trance, acid and ambient from Yours Truly). But they couldn't even let Lenny redeem things. Right after Cosmo- trash, Frankie Bones booted Lenny out to play his Thunderground E.P., and regale us with the tale of how only someone as fuckin-hahd-koah as Saint Frankie would be willing to take a fifteen-hour train ride to get to his profits, er, rave, after the storm canceled his flight. Fuck it. We left. My toes were numb. This sucked like an Electro- lux. OK, it looked like at least a few of the ~1500 people were having a good time, but there's no romance in martyrdom. Numb toes don't make me more of a raver. Summary: -3. It's saved from a -4 by not getting busted, by us getting in quickly and by Sandra Collins. -Ed !djSLiP! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 15:49 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Death of Storm Okay Pete Ashdown, are you reading this? You can now sit back and say "I told you so." Storm Rave sucked and I'm never going to another one of their parties again. After being there and after looking at various rave 'zines picked up / passed around I don't even know right now if I still want to call myself a raver. Remember a few months ago when the Storm Rave people opened their own club (the Thunderground) and it was supposed to be a home for ravers when nothing else was going on? Totally hardcore? True to the scene? The place Joe (cutter), John, and I did lasers at to a packed house of New York ravers? Now look at it -- this was handed out at Storm: Friday Night December 18, 1992 Staten Island's Hottest Dance Club T H U N D E R G R O U N D invites all party people from Brooklyn & New Jersey to its "over the bridge bash" admission only $7 for you and a guest with this invite & Brooklyn or New Jersey ID. Come party at the only club with 5 different rooms of non-stop energy 2 huge dance floors a thundering sound system & an amazing light display 99 cent beers & shots till midnight DJ Danny C. & Charlie Cee spin hip-hop, dance, techno, & reggae 18 to be seen 21 for liquid fun dress trendy doors open 10 pm et cetera ad nauseam. Can you believe it? I am sick. It is sick. Time to go way back underground. Now for some good news: the pre-rave party was great. I love you all for braving the weather (which didn't turn out so bad after all) and coming. Thanks to Golden Boy, dieselBoy, Todd Sines, Mike Brown, and Charles for coming out from Pittsburgh/Ohio. You all are the best and I promise I'll get off my butt and come out to see you. It was great meeting more ne-ravers: Beth, Ed, and Lionel, finally getting to see Donato when he wasn't in deep trance, Pat and all his friends (it was cool to see Cliff again, and Jaqueline is a totally great person), e va n, Mars and the Lehigh people (Chris mail me your address so I can send you back your hat) Tareq who FLEW all the way out from Ohio with a very sweet friend (sorry I forgot her name) . . . . you all made the weekend worthwhile. If I've forgotten anyone new I apologize but know that it meant a lot to me to have you there. The best things about the party were the ne-raves DJ-a-thon (it started at about 11 pm Friday, went to 4.00 am Saturday, then started at 8.30 Saturday and went to 2.00 pm. THEN came the party . . . and we're still spinning now.) Ed Horch (ebh) brought over a brand new Rane mixer and his 1200's. Mars, dieselBoy, and Slip (Ed) provide great sets from their experienced hands. Taylor really got going with some spoken word records and "Acid Rain" and wins the award for sickest ne-raves DJ. And he only played "Age of Love" 14 times over the weekend. John Adams (jna) and Todd got into the act, and first timers Mike, Donato, and me also got up there and moved some vinyl. DJ-ing is so much fun, and very addictive. During the party Todd, Taylor, and John played some tapes of their own music and then treated us to a hilarious live random acid jam in my kitchen on a sh-101, mc-202, tb-303, and tr-808. I'm in distinct ramble mode now, and so will shut up and go take a shower. See you all around . . . . Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:14:02 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (i am on a sugar high) Subject: Re: The Death of Storm IMHO, Laura's party was better than storm could have ever been... We should have kept it going all night, fuck storm, the weekend was better than storm was... --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 16:25:17 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: ne-raves rave laura's description of her party, particularly as compared to the reviews of recent raves (storm and flintstone) make me say: why not have another one of these pre-raves (though maybe not in laura's apartment) except forget the "pre-" bit. i know laura has mentioned before her dream of an ne-raves rave. sounds like the time has come. we could make it as underground as we want. and i suppose we could try either something like your basic ne-raves people + friends party or, if we get good and ambitious, a gen-u-ine rave sometime. we can definitely start batting the idea around (maybe to start planning more seriously (long) after the holiday season). thoughts? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: boy/girlcott flintstone From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 17:35:29 EST Whoa! Were we at the same rave? I had a FANTASTIC time at Flintstone! The best rave I've been to in several months. I was worried about the music with two club DJs spinning; I was afraid I was going to hear Seasame's Treet or Rythm is the Dancer or something, but it was really good, I thought. Better than most of the Catastrophic braindead harDCore. And the vibe was defintely there! 90% of the people were dancing and the people there were friendlier than any other rave I've been to. The chillout room was way cool, with enough packing crate popcorn/snow to actually LIE DOWN in. It was so cool to be able to lie down and listen to some good trance spun by the MusicNow DJ. I had a great time... Sorry you didn't enjoy it. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 18:41:36 -0500 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: Re: ne-raves rave >laura's description of her party, particularly as compared to the reviews >of recent raves (storm and flintstone) make me say: why not have another >one of these pre-raves (though maybe not in laura's apartment) >except forget the "pre-" bit. i know laura has mentioned before her dream >of an ne-raves rave. sounds like the time has come. we could make it as >underground as we want. and i suppose we could try either something like >your basic ne-raves people + friends party or, if we get good and >ambitious, a gen-u-ine rave sometime. we can definitely start batting the >idea around (maybe to start planning more seriously (long) after the >holiday season). thoughts? Oh, we definitely should do some kind of ne-raves rave. I think a ne-raves and friends party would be best at least the first time, and if we plan it a while in advance, lots of people could go and we could *all* get to meet each other and stuff. Well, I vote for a location somewhere in the middle of the northeast, maybe Pennsylvania or something. I'm in Ohio and things in NY are kind of hard to go to because it's so far and there are probably other people around here that have the same problem. Of course, if I know the date long enough in advance, I could trek to NY or somewhere else far away because I'm sure it would be worth it. Well, after Wednesday, I'm out of here for about a month. Anyone in CT- find me at Tune Inn in New Haven on Saturday nights- I'll probably have a floppy around my neck. Marla. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:58:43 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: ne-rave rave - go! go! go! I think ne-raves is ripe for a rave at this point - you're all beginning to act like a family, which is the most important aspect; you've got a LOT of talent in your midst, as far as DJ's, lighting/visuals, sound techs, and hey! you even have your own techno band or two. Now all you really need is a space and a sound system. We held ours on a beach in Santa Cruz, which meant the location was free, but we also spent $750 on buses to transport people there, which was a mistake. But do look around... we were able to get the sound system for free and the DJ's for free, and most of the lighting was stuff that SFRavers brought. I made the initial outlays for the buses and the video projector and stuff, and even though the cost was cheap ($5, donation-only) we still came close to breaking even. The main point was, everyone knew that we weren't into it for the money, and all of the sudden it was like a huge burden being lifted from everyone. Now, I know it's probably too cold to have it on a beach out there unless you waited until summer (and even then...) and getting an officially permitted site would probably cost more, but maybe operating on the same philosophy would work for you guys too.... Whatever you decide, you have a lot of work ahead of you... but it will be worth it in the end, trust me. Do it! Do it! Do it! Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: blynch@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Kemble) Subject: Re: 800-4RAVELINE Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:40:46 -0500 (EST) > also, what does being on the guest list really mean, reduced > admission, free admission, or that you don't have to wait on line, you > just go to the front and they check your name and they let you in? Well, one and only experience at the Limelight was this summer and I got on the guest list through some friends. There was no line to speak of and after being carded we went up to the guys holding clipboards hanging around the door, gave them our names, and got two tickets each .. each ticket reduces admission from $18 (yes eighteen) to $10 for one person. There seemed to be an awful lot of people on the guest list (there were 2 or 3 guys each with a different part of the list) .. I have a feeling it's not an uncommon thing. Then it's through the metal detector, up the stairs, to the cashier and, $10 poorer, onward to my best club experience yet. Jon [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:33:03 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: 800-4RAVELINE On Sun, 13-Dec-1992, blynch@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Kemble) said: > > also, what does being on the guest list really mean, reduced > > admission, free admission, or that you don't have to wait on line, you > > just go to the front and they check your name and they let you in? > > Well, one and only experience at the Limelight was this summer and I > got on the guest list through some friends. Yea, this summer I did something similar, Jonathan. You're right, the guest list is Super-comon and it all depends on the night...as to how much you pay... We got in for free, but the place was pretty dull. Probably the night... We got up on these block-type things when we were dancing and they asked my friend Stacey & I to get down...not much energy that night, but I've heard differently from others... Bios Con Dios Mon ami tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:19:16 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: The Death of Storm yeah, it has died alright... we stayed at storm until 6:30 am or so and saw some amazing things- sights to make the eyes water and set the mind to thinking as to how far we have/haven't come in 2500 years of civilization. laura mentioned how the house lights were turned on occasionally- well, at one point they were turned on (maybe at 2:30 or 3 am) and LEFT on til about 6 am, when it got a little lighter out. the first excuse was that they needed them on to do a light check or something and then the god frankie got on later and said the cops were making them keep the lights on. another thing about frankie bones: laura (or maybe it was ed, i forget) said that frankie kicked off lenny dee after one song so he could get on and play his thunderground ep and say how he took a 14 hour train ride back for tHIS rave. well, one thing that struck me was how everyone responded when he got on- it was like a fucking show, like a ROCK concert. everyone started cheering and people were on each other's shoulders, all facing the "stage"- no one dancing. i mean, this is only some dj, not jon bon jovi or something :))) plus, they were selling those storm shirts which made it seem even more like a concert- it seemed very commercialized to me. FINALLY: the music. ok, i like hardcore as much as the next person (i.e., SOME is ok) but they played that shit ALL night. adding even more insult to injury was that they advertised that they were expanding their music selection to trance, etc. they played maybe ONE breakbeat song the whole night. i heard some s c o r c h i n g mindfuck but right when everyone was coming down some trance or just ANYTHING other than "muthafuckin hahdcawe" would have been nice. the one plus was that they handed out sugary fruit drinks at 6. oh, well- what can you do? heather heather will probably give it a great write-up anyway.... e va n trEE o n e r a v e n a t i o n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs / \ || breakbeat for thought [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: V-Rave!! Come on the berkeley V-Rave people.....JOIN US! (When will Moby be on (haha)........?) - :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: Re: The Death of Storm this guy frankie bones sounds like some hot shit. but what does he look like? from my experience, a lot of these techno dj's look like total geeks. i was at powerrave here in pittsburgh, and i remember those two guys who made up f.u.s.e. and cybersonik looked pretty lame. now, dieselBoy is another thing. i was at this "rave" at which he dj'ed and he was more reminiscent of a raver. plus, regarding frankie bones, yeah, i guess you could call him an asshole. i think he has let the money get to his head and now he is doing what his detractors say will kill the rave scene. he is making everything commercialized (look at the tshirts, as mindFuck@lehigh mentioned). kenny [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:26:24 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: storm report well.. i'm here, back home. it's late sunday night. it's time for the weekend report from me.. most things have been said so far.. and i agree with what's been said .. (i especially like ed's "sucks like an electrolux" comment)..i was a little upset at first at the decision to leave.. i like to give people the benefit of the doubt.. and i wanted to see if it would get better.. BUT, saint frankie was being so commercial (t-shirts, video, ego) and there really wasn't any place to sit.. that i agreed to bail with my loved ones.. speaking of loved ones.. the weekend at laura's was..... HEAVEN. there was so much love and love and love between everyone there...i had the BEST time with everyone.. hanging out with danato, becca, todd, damian..laura...john.. mike..golden boy..charles.. ed...ack... everyone! when todd's carful of people pulled away...i ran into laura's bedroom with becca.. and cried my head off. it was a happyhappy...missing...leaving.. cry. tears because the weekend was over. it felt good to cry though. though i did puddle up laura's sheets a lot. i think that basically says it all.. and how much i love everyone. it was also cool to meet new ne-ravers.. (chuck, i still want stickers... e-mail me.. we can send stuff thru the mail or something).. once again laura's party kicked raving butt! and made lord frankie look like what we were dancing in. sorry this wasn't the most detailed post.. my mind is sort of scattered. i miss people really badly..i'm sure i'm forgetting to say things, but i'm emotionally drained..and tired. hope to see you all at the 808sent trance fest on january 16th. xxxxxxoooooooooxxxxxxxxxooooooo love love love >>taylor.808.dream.create [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: The Death of Storm Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 00:04:35 +0000 From: SPeCiMeN kenny eng writes: > like? from my experience, a lot of these techno dj's look like total > geeks. i was at powerrave here in pittsburgh, and i remember those two > guys who made up f.u.s.e. and cybersonik looked pretty lame. now, not that i'm trying to flame or anything, but who gives a fuck!?!? richie hawtin and dan bell are innovative musicians.. so what if they don't wear fresh jive or baggy pants ? just cause they don't look like ravers doesn't mean they aren't cool people andy (protecting the detroit techno scene) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 14 Dec 1992 00:21:58 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: ravers. in a recent post between kenny eng and andy crosby they talked about what "ravers" should look like.. andy said it.. there is no look to define a raver. sure, there are those who wear the fresh bigass clothes.. and those are cool..those who wear the clothes do it because they want to be identified by the "masses" and by other ravers as being ravers. we should all know by now that a raver is a STATE OF MIND not a fashion statement. wear what you want. geek all you want. do what you want. but, THINK and LOVE like a "raver". >>taylor.808.breath.beat t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Moon-Day 14 Desembrr From: " Mr. SparklE" Subject: That Ne-Raves Rave Thingee livid tragic eyesore: Ne-raves rave is a nice thought. Actually, we here in CT were/are going to put on a "rave" (I prefer acid-house party ;) in early January. Discussions have transpired, events placed in motion. A hot dog has been eaten, relish and mustard conmingling. We believe ne-raves should become entangled with our destinies for that nite. We hope to use area talent (area tekkno band and djs, including that wackee Mr. SparklE [self-thing]) plus perhaps a Jimmy Crash or Keoki or two. Small underground in factory with onion-dome roof. Yum. Connecticut's first raves plus Ne-raves first rave= dynamic duo... I saw a leave cavort and twist on its earthward bent. ravingLUNatick! --Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu "I wish the moon wouldn't hang so low/hang overhead/hang so..."--Throwing Muses [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:27:12 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: ravers. But hey d00dz, Jive clothes, and baggy stuff is fucking k-Ra[>. IF you don't fucking wear it, you ain't fucking hawwdkore enuff to B a raver! Jeez, I watch MTV Grind or whatever downtown "doin' it" Julie Brown's show was to get my fashion tips.... Damn, did you ever notice how the rave scene in print can look alot like old Commodore 64 or Apple ][ pirate BBS's. Or if you never saw those, just trust me they do. This dress shit is annoying. As a DJ I wear what I want to be confortable. If I tried to DJ with a "Cat-in-the-hat Hat" I'd have problems with the headphones (my earings already give me enough problems with some headphones). If I looked like a raver I would have to spend money on "stylish" clothes, I would much rather spend it on new music (if you make enough money to do both, then all the power to you). I dress how I like, you dress how you like. Don't judge my DJ skills on what I look like. If you were going to try to pick me up or something, then you can base your opinions on how I dress or what I look like (or what my personality is like). Basically my definition of a raver is someone who likes the music. This is the one common ground all people going to these "Parties" have. After that, even everyones definition of a "true raver" is different. -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 8pm-Midnight Fridays 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: made it... whew! Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 3:42:22 EST Just wanted to let Laura and everybody else know that we made it back to Pittsburgh at 10:30 (7 hours from New York - not bad... maybe we could do 6 1/2 next time) and dropped off Damian and GoldenBoy, then made it back to Columbus at 3:00am (3 1/2 hours from Pitt). The muffler is still about to fall off and I am probably going to call in sick later this morning since I probably won't feel like getting up in 3 hours. We all had a really great time. I will try to follow this up with something else as well as private letters to those of you I met whose email addresses I have. Time to chill out, Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu _ _ _____________________________What is the nature of YOUR Universe? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Moon-Day 14 Desembrr From: " Mr. SparklE" Subject: That Ne-Raves Rave Thingee livid tragic eyesore: Ne-raves rave is a nice thought. Actually, we here in CT were/are going to put on a "rave" (I prefer acid-house party ;) in early January. Discussions have transpired, events placed in motion. A hot dog has been eaten, relish and mustard conmingling. We believe ne-raves should become entangled with our destinies for that nite. We hope to use area talent (area tekkno band and djs, including that wackee Mr. SparklE [self-thing]) plus perhaps a Jimmy Crash or Keoki or two. Small underground in factory with onion-dome roof. Yum. Connecticut's first raves plus Ne-raves first rave= dynamic duo... I saw a leave cavort and twist on its earthward bent. ravingLUNatick! --Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu "I wish the moon wouldn't hang so low/hang overhead/hang so..."--Throwing Muses [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: made it... whew! Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 3:42:22 EST Just wanted to let Laura and everybody else know that we made it back to Pittsburgh at 10:30 (7 hours from New York - not bad... maybe we could do 6 1/2 next time) and dropped off Damian and GoldenBoy, then made it back to Columbus at 3:00am (3 1/2 hours from Pitt). The muffler is still about to fall off and I am probably going to call in sick later this morning since I probably won't feel like getting up in 3 hours. We all had a really great time. I will try to follow this up with something else as well as private letters to those of you I met whose email addresses I have. Time to chill out, Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu _ _ _____________________________What is the nature of YOUR Universe? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:27:12 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: ravers. But hey d00dz, Jive clothes, and baggy stuff is fucking k-Ra[>. IF you don't fucking wear it, you ain't fucking hawwdkore enuff to B a raver! Jeez, I watch MTV Grind or whatever downtown "doin' it" Julie Brown's show was to get my fashion tips.... Damn, did you ever notice how the rave scene in print can look alot like old Commodore 64 or Apple ][ pirate BBS's. Or if you never saw those, just trust me they do. This dress shit is annoying. As a DJ I wear what I want to be confortable. If I tried to DJ with a "Cat-in-the-hat Hat" I'd have problems with the headphones (my earings already give me enough problems with some headphones). If I looked like a raver I would have to spend money on "stylish" clothes, I would much rather spend it on new music (if you make enough money to do both, then all the power to you). I dress how I like, you dress how you like. Don't judge my DJ skills on what I look like. If you were going to try to pick me up or something, then you can base your opinions on how I dress or what I look like (or what my personality is like). Basically my definition of a raver is someone who likes the music. This is the one common ground all people going to these "Parties" have. After that, even everyones definition of a "true raver" is different. -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 8pm-Midnight Fridays 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 14 Dec 92 10:30:33 EDT From: Subject: STORM...survivor Okay, so everyone else had there say about STORM and laura's pre-RAVE party, I'm gonna have mine. Ya see there'z some stuff missing....... ..I get to dieselBoy's dorm at about 10:00 pm (babes everywhere :)) and we hang out and listen to some funky TECHNO up in his room. Kids got a seriouz CD collection. I almost mugged him :) 'cept I didn't want to get beat up before STORM. About 20 minutes later mike, todd and charles show up at dieselBoy's x-girlfriends place. Great timing guys. We had great timing all weekend. So we get dB's record crate (damn thing wayz a ton !) and creep on over there. There's a bunch of people chillin watching (of all movies) Black Belt Jones - starring Jim Kelly. Great flick, with really funky.. wah wah.. music and guitar riffs. Dialog was incredible. As a couple of the guys put it...'a true piece of cinematic bliss'. And I can't forget that cute little babe that hooked me up with some eggnog. I LOVE EGG NOG. I never forget a woman that gives me nog :) A little while later we split. We drove through some really FUCKED up weather. But mike and charles brought us right to laura's house without a problem. I think we got there at about 8:00 am. Good for us, bad for laura, taylor, becca, john, ed and donato. They'd just gone to sleep three hours before we got there. The next thing you know todd whips out his 303 and that was it. Like pulling out a teenage mutant turtle at a elementary school. Between taylor, todd and john that thing got no rest...and neither did we. Oh well...might as well fire up ed's 1200's and make a party out of it (before noon mind you). After the wake up RAVE we decide to go shopping. I'm all for it I needed to score some new doc's (and did too :)), and there's no, NO, way I'm coming to NYC without buying some music. So here we are ready to split, and then we did it, we made the ultimate tourist mistake, we returned fire on some snowball throwing nativez. Of course they were under 4 ft tall, but they were RUTHLESS. They caught us as we came out of laura's. Pelting us with snowballs, like the seasoned veterans they were. It was WAR ! They put the really short ones up front (so they could hide behind cars) and the taller ones nailed us with deadly accuracy from about 50 yards away. We didn't stand a chance....we ran ! We took refuge in the cars and barely got out of there dry. I got to tell ya, you haven't shopped til you've shopped in NYC during a damn snow storm ! Big ass wet snow flakes, the size of delaware. But we all scored some deals. Donato scored the full on *fat* rave gear, thanks to dieselBoy's fashion tips. Add side burns and I woulda sworn he was from brooklyn. We also checked out ROGUE music. Where taylor, john and todd drooled like old men in a lingerie shop :) From what I understand ROGUE usually has no more than 5 people in at a time...nine of us came in at once. They weren't pleased...that's why it was fun ! Okay, so after shopping we go to taylors (a couple of places down from MOBY's, he wanted to come, but we were busy....) they stayed to make music while we shopped. I gotta tell you guys...john, taylor and todd are seriously talented music makers ! I've got to say that the highlight of laura's party was when they hooked up the 808 and 303 (probably some other stuff with numbers too, but I just learned the 808, 303 stuff) and jammed. And they JAMMMED ! The shit was funky. Everybody at lauras was bouncing of the walls ! Not to say that dieselBoy didn't jam, he did, all the time (in the morning, the afternoon.....) everytime he touched the turn tables, we felt it. I met a ton of people, scored some ne-raves stickers and a cool whistle in the gift exchange. Tareq flew in and almost died during the flight. Him and his lady friend (damn if I can remember her name..oh well if she'd given me egg nog...) landed in NYC about 3 or 4 hours late, amidst 80+ winds. OWWWWWWWWWWW ! HARD CORE ! So once Tareq shows up and everybody parties on, we split to find the record store that sells the MAPS-not and tickets. It was more like directions, and they sucked like an electrolux (djslip). The only way we found it was the bass was kickin' so hard, we just followed it. I have to say this...not to flame anybody but everybody that knows Frankie (hawd Koah) bones, should know that if he shows, there's gonna be lotsa hardcore. Too much ! Personally I had a blast, but I love all TECHNO. What everybody said was true about the lights and the loading doors...lame, real lame. If you were a hardcore nut, this was your RAVE. I didn't stop bouncing the whole time I was there. I just refuse too not have a good time while TECHNO is being played. It was just too damn much hardcore, and the lame shit they did screwed with the energy. If they would have slipped into some trance.tribal.breakbeat.etc..things would've been a lot better. But there where a lot of people dancing. That's enough wasting of bandwidth. I'm ready to do it again (although I feel like a piece of gum that's been stuck to the bottom of some ones boot during a RAVE.) Well, I gotta get to earning a living. High to all the people I met (too many to list but you know who you are) and I'll see ya next time ! Peace and RAVE ON !!! Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: x and asid i don't know if this question is appropriate, so either answer it or don't. how many of you people on this bboard have tried ecstasy or acid while at a rave, or during a rave, or whatever??? plus, to Golden Boy, or whoever, where is Rogue music in nyc? i have never heard of that place. has anyone ever gone to BPM on bleecker? kenny [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 14 Dec 92 11:15:53 EDT From: Subject: Re: x and asid > plus, to Golden Boy, or whoever, where is Rogue music in nyc? i have > never heard of that place. has anyone ever gone to BPM on bleecker? It's in some building in a little shop. It's wall to wall music equipment. I have no idea where's it's at though. You'd have to ask taylor.808. Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 11:39:43 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Mail Question / Happiness Comments Question: I seem to get two of most of the mail messages sent to ne-raves. Is anyone else having that problem or am I seeing double? Happiness Comments (Baltimore) This was only my second rave (masquerave was my first). I even took two friends who had never been to a rave and weren't even into the music. They were a little concerned about police shutting it down, drugs, etc. Well, it was! At around 2:30 the DJ stopped and said that they we would all have to leave,otherwise the promoters would be arrested. The exodus was,surprisingly, very orderly. I was a little worried that my friends were going to give me shit for taking them to a party that was busted but, on the contrary, they didn't seem to care. The attitude was, "whats the big deal; its just a bunch of kids havng fun." Before that (actually, even the bust was a little fun), we had a great time! The music was pretty good although, they seemed to be having some problems with the equipment. However, that added to the ambience (ie that it wasn't perfectly staged). To the KLF - Chill Out Fans, when we arrived around 11:30, there was a freight train slowly passing by the warehouse tooting its horn. Very cool. Another cool thing was dancing in smoke. I was dancing right in front of the DJ booth where they were pumping out smoke and was kind of a cool feeling to not be able to see a half a foot in front of you. In fact, the combination of a lot of smoke with the lights had a pseudo-psychedelic effect on me. I say pseudo because I haven't done any hallucinogenics (I had to look that up in the dictionary) nor plan to (oops I ended with a preposition). I also had my first smart drink (basically, a virgin strawberry-banana daiquiri, with some wheat tasting powder). I don't think I can compare this to masquerave because masquerave was more of a production. Both were fun in their own way. Did anyone go to Rave 2020. I heard from a friend whose friend went that she had a terrible time because she felt out of place! She seemed to feel that you were looked down upon if you didn't look like a "raver". I can definitely say that that wasn't the case at Happiness. I am not a raver in that I don't wear baggy clothing or whatever constitutes rave gear. I just love the music, intensity and the atmosphere. Finally, I didn't see a chill out room at this rave. Is this were they generally play trancy music? If so, it seems to me that at raves, non-drug users miss out. At maquerave, I walked into one room and I couldn't see a foot in front of me because of all the smoke. I am not saying this to say that I would like to see that change because that kind of music grew from there. However, is there an alternative for me. Maybe I should wear one of the Altern-8 Masks. by... ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: ravers. Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 9:43:09 MST > But hey d00dz, Jive clothes, and baggy stuff is fucking k-Ra[>. IF you > don't fucking wear it, you ain't fucking hawwdkore enuff to B a raver! > Jeez, I watch MTV Grind or whatever downtown "doin' it" Julie Brown's > show was to get my fashion tips.... I do a major part of my shopping at thrift stores. The other percentage is spent at the Gap. Geesh, last week I got the hugest pair of train engineer pants at a thrift store for about $4. Flares that look like dresses on my legs. Gap hooded long sleeved shirts cost about $12 usually. Throw an Anarchaic Smile over it and you're set. Why pay more? > Damn, did you ever notice how the rave scene in print can look alot like > old Commodore 64 or Apple ][ pirate BBS's. Or if you never saw those, > just trust me they do. Unfortunately yes. The DJ world is more like the warez world than anything I've ever seen. DOOD, yer top ten is ANCIENT. Look at all the gnu war.. I mean 12"'s I'VE GOT! Adam X is a prime example. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy wasn't covered with floppies in 1980. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: The Death of Storm Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:07:26 MST > Okay Pete Ashdown, are you reading this? You can now sit back and > say "I told you so." Who me? Do that? No, judge them for yourself. Maybe this will provide some incentive for you neravers to throw one! Some friends here threw their first rave Saturday night. It was a cool space and they did a great job decorating and lighting it. I was asked to DJ but I told them that I was looking forward to going to a rave where I didn't have to do anything. My friend and neighbor Chris did a decent job for them instead. However, they rented the basement from a club that was upstairs. The club's owners insisted that their DJ do a set. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS. He got up there, put in someone else's mix-tape and just danced around for 45 minutes with the headphones on. The DJ equivalent of lip-synching. People were walking around saying how lame it was. Thank God it was only 45 minutes. After he disappeared, Chris got back on and the groove began again. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:17 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: The Death of Storm ndc from MI writes: >kenny eng writes: > >> like? from my experience, a lot of these techno dj's look like total >> geeks. i was at powerrave here in pittsburgh, and i remember those two >> guys who made up f.u.s.e. and cybersonik looked pretty lame. now, > >not that i'm trying to flame or anything, but who gives a fuck!?!? >richie hawtin and dan bell are innovative musicians.. so what >if they don't wear fresh jive or baggy pants >? >just cause they don't look like ravers doesn't mean they aren't cool people > >andy Look at it this way: making techno often involves re-soldering screwed-up connections on your synth, doing a bit of what constitutes computer programming and signal processing with your synths, samplers, and sequencer, and a basic understanding of electronics. GEEK. DJ-ing often involves hooking up lots of sound equipment so it doesn't hum, worrying about power supplies and grounds, and of course dealing with the mixing and the records. GEEK. Doing lighting effects for a rave involves more knowledge of wiring, electronics, motors, and the like. GEEK. Raving is a VERY GEEKY pursuit. All the best DJs in the New York area are very geeky. You should have been there the only good night at the Thunderground (opening night). I looked up into the DJ booth in the trance room and saw Micro (medium-sized rounded geeky looking boy), Onionz (very groovy yet petite and vaguely geeky looking guy), John Adams (doing lasers, another groovy geek), all standing in a row. Geeks are a large part of what powers the techno scene. Look at all of us, on this list. I'd say we're a bit geeky. Have you hugged your geek today (I did . . . and now he's on a bus bound for Boston sniff sniff sniff)? Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:56:34 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: The Death of Storm >Look at all of us, on this list. I'd say we're a bit geeky. > speak for yourself... :)) >Have you hugged your geek today > i hugged dieselBoy yesterday- does that count?? e va n trEE o n e r a v e n a t i o n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs / \ || breakbeat for thought [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: moby Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:23:57 EST can someone mail me the "moby go away" messages from before dec 11? i accidentally deleted them. thanks. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:43:52 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: x and asid It may be irresponsible to answer a question about illegal drug use over a computer system, so I'm going to answer with a FOAF response :) A FOAF said that ecstasy is a really good drug for a rave. It allows you to connect with others more easily and makes you feel more at peace with yourself. He also mentioned that acid has better places to be used at then at raves. The rave is too intence for the effect to be pleasurable...If you want to find a cool place to trip, I recommend (ooops, I mean my FOAF recommends) going to the Mall in Washington and going to all the tourist attractions...tourist are funny when your on a different plane of reality....:) Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: moby Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 11:47:46 MST > can someone mail me the "moby go away" messages from before dec 11? i > accidentally deleted them. thanks. Uh oh, now we're in trouble. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:14 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: NE-Raves article in "Under One Sky" I'm sure Chuck or Joe or someone will type in or scan the entire "Under One Sky" Issue 8, but I wanted people to see this right away -- Chuck (revar@aol.com) wrote a nice little piece about us in the latest "Under One Sky." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPUTER NETWORK UPDATE In issue #6, Under One Sky ran an article called "Plugging in to the Net," which introduced many to the rave mailing lists on the internet. Since then I joined the ne-raves mailing list, to see what it was all about, and quickly became a netjunkie. Over two hundred penpals at first was a little overwhelming, but soon one becomes accustomed to exchanging information with so many aquaintences. Discussions of everything concerning raving kept me eagerly awaiting my next batch of mail, but more important than the information was the great people online. The pinnacle of my ne-raves experience wasn't online at all but when Laura La Gassa graciously held the first ne-raves pre-rave gathering, before Sputnik II. It was incredible as online names became faces and instant friends. Laura made ne-raves badges so everyone could find each other at raves (look for us and say hi). The point of all this is that all the unity and friendship that people seem to desire in the rave scene is available 24hrs a day. Right now ravers are using technology to organize, educate, and just connect with other ravers. The nets are grouing, the original sfrave (San Francisco) has spawned ne-raves (New England [North East]), and more recently mw-raves (Midwest) and fl-raves (Florida) and I'm sure more will follow. If you would like to join ne-raves send an internet miessage to ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu. You could also send internet mail here to find out the internet address of the rave-net in your area. If you aren't in school you can gain internet access through online services such as America Online and Compuserve for a few dollars a month. If you need hlep getting online call me, Chuck Fletcher, at 212-226-1007. And when you get online, send me a message: revar@aol.com. Welcome to the future. Thanks and love to the ne-raves cybertribe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Chuck! Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:25:55 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Subject: Storm&Loft Just to add my thoughts to the compilation. I really wanted to go to Storm, from what I heard before, Storm raves were IT for the East Coast. What I read about it only crystallized a thought that's been forming for a while. So here it is: (in case anyone cares) It seems like raves are getting more and more impersonal. Driving for hours and hours in shitty weather just to stand in a huge horseshit covered sub-zero building is definitely not conducive to that nice, comfortable, friendly vibe that I love the rave scene for. Ergo: (to use a geeky phrase) I think that here on after I will stick to the likes of NASA, the LOFT, and perhaps some raves in the warmer months. Thus (yes, there is a point to this) I would love to help organize a ne-raves rave. And I would vouch we do it in the spring. And have Mayhem DJing for most of the night... but no I'm just rambling. And while it's been said (written) allto often lately, sorry for wasting bandwidth (whatever that means) PEACE, and lots of COZY raving spirit in this X-mas season. -PETer (zE kRAZy Czek) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:02:08 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: on saturday in boston.. here's camper's storm weekend in boston post: friday-i tried to do the usual axis, then the loft jaunt, but as i was walking to axis through the rain, i couldn't see and almost got lost. i only live about 500 feet from axis. i tyhen determined not to go anywhere else for the evening. there were only about 50 people in the whole club, but we got to here ONIONZ and debo spin some beuatitful tunes. an i think we all know i worship onionz. saturday-dave woke me up- no storm rave, too much storm. (the storm was a big washout) so then i was going to go to baltimore for happiness, but it never cleared up, so that was cancelled. its a good thing we didn;t go, as it was busted. an 8 hour trip would have been for naught. so-what do you do when you are stuck in boston, no techno clubs are open, and ONIONZ is stranded here? you rave! debo hooked up a studio and he, onioinz, and 333 (of 333 mgee) spun for about 10 of us. it was a great time, and makes me think this: we have some great people in the northeast. since returning from san francisco, debo has really tuned in to the vibe. he still is a businessman, but he says that from now on he is only inviting dj's to boston who can "see the future" the scene should really take off here, more than it is now. om this computer network we have some of the coolest heads around. i'm really sad to have missed laura's, but hey, there's always next time. one week till no more finals, then i am gonna rave in every city on the east coast. i'll see you all around. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english that's not MY snot! @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:46:32 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Dante @ THe Loft I was over Brian's (Mayhem) last night and he got a phone call to see if he wanted Dante for the Loft this Friday. Looks like he's gonna do it. So, the line up this Friday at the LOFT will be: Overload (Portland) Dale Charles (San Diego) Dante (NY) Brian gets a night off. :) This will probably mean that Laura will be coming up on Friday night, hmmm? :) See you all this Friday. dave. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: dante dante dante :) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:46:00 -0500 (EST) ok...so let me get this straight kids: i can get a double dose of dante ??? thursday at venus friday at the loft *biiiiiig grin* then toxic beatbox at tune inn saturday... could be expensive (maybe a pre- christmas present to myself :) ) becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 12:54:52 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: ravers. > From md3b+@andrew.cmu.edu Mon Dec 14 03:32:29 1992 > Basically my definition of a raver is someone who likes the music. This > is the one common ground all people going to these "Parties" have. > After that, even everyones definition of a "true raver" is different. This is true. I'm sure we all know at least one "trendy" raver. Yeah, they wear all the "right" clothes and go to all the "cool" parties and know all the "right" people, but is their heart and soul in the scene for the vibe and the love of the music? No. There aren't too many "raver"'s like this, but they are out there. Raving is a feeling, a vibe, not a look. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:49:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: Re: The Death of Storm okay okay, maybe i shouldn't have used the word geek, maybe i shouldn't have sent that post in at all. anyway, sorry. another question, just so i can really feel like a family of ravers: how old are all of you. i am very surprised at how young some of these awesome techno dj's are. and for all you metro nyc ravers, where do you get your techno cd's and 12"'s? i saw an ad in under one sky for planet x in new brunswick. how is that store? is it as kickin' as groove records? plus, is there a store in nyc that sells rave wear? i have been to house in alphabet city, but that was before they started selling stocking caps, baggy overalls, etc. in details, they had pictures of scotto, keoki, soul slinger, jason jinx in rave gear and i have a question. where the heck did they manage to salvage those ancient adidas' and pumas? i used to have a pair of those pumas but i never thought of saving them, for 10 years later, they'd be necessary rave gear!!!! and don't tell me antique boutique sells them. kenny [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Yo dB Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:56:36 MST Damian, I can't ever remember your honking huge address. Mail me back and I'll make an alias, I promise. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: The Death of Storm Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 14:11:13 MST > jinx in rave gear and i have a question. where the heck did they manage > to salvage those ancient adidas' and pumas? i used to have a pair of > those pumas but i never thought of saving them, for 10 years later, > they'd be necessary rave gear!!!! > and don't tell me antique boutique sells them. You should have seen this answer coming. thrift stores [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 14 Dec 92 16:16:34 EDT From: Subject: OWWWWWWWWWW !! RAVING is a state of mind.... RAVERZ know who they are.... RAVEZ are a means by which we gather. Peaceful co-existance fortified by MUSIC. It brings us together. It keeps the movement in motion. Whether it's pumas or docs, the dress is the LEAST important attribute of a RAVER. Truly trivial. Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:03:18 EST Subject: Thank you... I just wanted to say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart to all the people I met at Laura's party, for giving me the best gift I have ever recieved for my Birthday in years, chance to hang out with the coolest people ever. I had a lot of fun, meeting everybody (both the ones I have meet before, and the new ones), and I mean everybody, let's see if I can remember names here: Laura [TranAcidQueen - That is my handle suggestion for you ;)] JohnAdams [303aholic!] dieselBoy [Thanks - One kick Ass Tape!] Golden_Boy_ [Ravin Lunatic!] Taylor808 [Video Hallucination-God] Ed [ebh - good SR report] ToddSines [SeeYa at your next gig mon!] Donato [The calmest Dancer I have ever seen!] Mike Brown [Chill Master] Becca [CatWoman nominee for BatMan3] Revar [RaveGear teen idol] Mars [Cool hats] Charles [Dreds Master] PatSalsbury [Manur Mon!] The Couple from Connecticut. LeHigh Group [Chris, Ed, Lee] I hope I did not forget anybody, thanks is directed to everybody who there! I hope to get this chance, having an ne-raves party soon. Peace, Unity, TAREQ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tareq Alrashid Library Collection Services IBM / Case Western Reserve University tma@po.cwru.edu 10950 Euclid Avenue, Baker #6 (216) 368 - 3559 (VOICE) Cleveland, OH 44106-7033 (216) 368 - 8880 (FAX) ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:03:19 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: FOAF...OAF...OAF... Concerning E at raves... A FOAF tried it a couple of times...the first time apparently was a great trip, complete with endless dancing, smiling...all while maintaining complete mind and body control. The second time was considerably less satisfying...my FOAF was quite concerned that his E had been drastically cut...so much that it was virtually ineffective. My FOAF manages to have an excellent time at raves without the use of E-xternal devices, but was really disappointed after spending $45 (Canadian) for what was probably crushed aspirin. Has anybody else had similar e-xperiences? Any words of advice for my FOAF? AJAX (the Ottawa raver-guy) P.S. Vicks works really well, whether you're on E or not! It'll really wake you up for that much needed rush at 4:30am! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:50:18 -0500 From: Donato Subject: the past weekend/this weekend tareq said: >>Donato [The calmest Dancer I have ever seen!] hey, it's the only way to last for 8+ hours :) (besides drugs, which i don't take) everyone said everything possible about storm, so i got only one thing to say about the weekend of dec. 12th: make love not STORM :) dante in boston 2 nites in a row??? holy trance, catwoman! look for me at: venus thursday, loft friday, and tune inn saturday, wowie zowie! see you all there, and keep it funkEE ! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:51:07 EST From: woodcock_bw@alice.lrc.edu Subject: usubscribe [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:49:54 EST From: woodcock_bw@alice.lrc.edu Subject: unsubscribe [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:11:06 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Message from Dante (NYC) I was just fortunate enough to get Dante of Evolution... (NYC) on the telephone and he told me that he looks forward to getting on the net and onto ne-raves.. (He has an old C-64 he's going to try to hook up with a modem..) He wanted me to remind the list people that Revelation will be coming up Dec 26 (info 212.631.1161) If anyone on the list has an old computer or terminal they'd be willing to donate him to get him onto the list, I'd be willing to toss in an old 1200 baud modem and cable. -Chris ccat@netcom.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 17:46:00 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: nation of dweebs REPLY TO 12/14/92 09:47 FROM laura@usl.com: Re: The Death of Storm laura - i think you started a very thearpeutic process for us all. i am a geek. my friends are geeks. and i]m the best geek i can be, and damnit someone loves me. now that that]s on the out and out, can i show everyone my worm collection - the bass at raves makes their rna do weird things. neat-o. walk boldly into the phuture with our pocket protectors and numark mixing boards ye dasdarly rebels. haaar haar. prepare to board the miata and slam in an onionz mix in the factory shipped stereo (jock!!). i don]t think we]re quite geeks - i don]t know what to make of us as a group :), but i for one started my mental life as a worm collecting, no friend having, chubster from the 2nd grade teacher]s pet store. but i spent a lot of time dancing, and plotting ways to be cool. while i would guess many of us share a heritage of feeling we were pencil necked dweebs at one point, i think, as a substyle - raving depends on a connection with the {geeky} (like plato]s {the true}) but at the same time, i think the substyle renegotiates the geeky into an excitement, and defining motion irreplacable by the traditional undershirt and khaki party threads. most geeks i know now, and i go to stanford, so i know *most* of the geeks currently enjoying life in the united states, they strike me as a bunch uninterested in anything but the most menial connections to life or anything else, and a trite bit conservative. it seems like there]s a split in the geek family tree, here]s my biased approach: ravers cyberstyles( 1. geek - - ( preschoolers( lawyers it]s simplified, but i think we]re headed for civil war, so baton down the hatches. pat To: laura@usl.com cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: moby request Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:30:05 EST thanks everyone for sending me the moby posts. i think i got them all. i'll know for sure in a little bit. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Storm-a-rama [LONG and BORING] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:32:48 EST This is a really long and dull post. Please don't read it. :) Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient >From: laura@usl.com >Storm Rave sucked and I'm never going to another one of their parties >again. After being there and after looking at various rave 'zines >picked up / passed around I don't even know right now if I still want >to call myself a raver. I'm sure you noticed in one of those half a dozen copies of Under One Sky floating around your apartment that they always print R*** instead of Rave. I don't want to call any acid house parties, warehouse parties, or whatever that we (myself and/or Todd and/or any other NE and MW Ravers) throw a "rave." Pete Ashdown has the right idea by referring to his future events as "undergrounds," keeping the now-a-four-letter-word word RAVE out of the picture. Quibbling over semantics may seem trivial, but I think it really does make a difference. It is time to split the scene, for those of us who don't like the Thunderground mentality to make our own underground. >Can you believe it? I am sick. It is sick. Time to go way back underground. Amen. I think your declaration is itself the birth of the new underground. >Now for some good news: the pre-rave party was great. My second-favorite quote of the weekend, from Laura: "Not to sound stuck up or anything, but I usually throw great parties." It was a *lot* of fun; we will definitely be back for more. >I love you all for >braving the weather (which didn't turn out so bad after all) and coming. Not so bad after all?! You weren't on the Pennsylvania Turnpike 200 miles from nowhere driving a heavily loaded car up and down slushy mountains with steep S-curves and semis passing you every five minutes in the middle of a blinding snowstorm! :) >John Adams (jna) and Todd got into the act, and first timers Mike, Donato, >and me also got up there and moved some vinyl. DJ-ing is so much fun, and >very addictive. No kidding! Maybe we can get Ed to buy us all some 1200's and mixers for the holidays... >From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) >Oh, we definitely should do some kind of ne-raves rave. I think a ne-raves >and friends party would be best at least the first time, and if we plan it >a while in advance, lots of people could go and we could *all* get to meet >each other and stuff. Well, I vote for a location somewhere in the middle >of the northeast, maybe Pennsylvania or something. On our way back we figured out that Philadelphia is far too close to N.Y. and too far from the rest of the midwest for us; if we went that far we might as well go all the way to NYC. Pittsburgh is almost as far from N.Y. as Philly is from Ohio. So are we going to have the ne-rave in central PA, out in Amish country? :) The thing is, it is an awfully long haul to go from Columbus or Cleveland to NYC just for the weekend. Even though we made good time, the schedule was very tight. Charles and I didn't sleep a wink from Friday morning until I slept Saturday night (yes I was the party pooper who stayed at Laura's while everyone went out to Storm) and Charles I think slept a little bit then, too. Todd can get by on 3 to 5 hours of sleep. I can't, I'm sorry. When he whipped out that 303 when we should have been sleeping it was the beginning of the end for me. After we went shopping and the "real" party started Saturday evening, I was (as you all probably noticed) zoning like a deer caught in somebody's halogen headlights; I was curled up on the couch staring at a spot on the wall that I swear was changing colors. Next trip I think we need to designate adequate amounts of sleep time and stick to it, 'cause I felt pretty bad about being the only one not having an actively good time I was having a *passively* great time, if that makes any sense. I guess no one minded, which is a pleasant surprise. I love you all. I really wish we could have had time and I could have been awake enough for us to REALLY go shopping and Damian could have got all the clothes he wanted and GoldenBoy could have seen his female-friends and we could have hung out with everyone for so much longer. No one mentioned the Chill Out room! Laura had cleaned up her bedroom and had a soft magenta light on that made it so nice. It was at the other end of the apartment from the hardcore and breakbeat commotion being whipped up by the super DJs. The music was so peaceful. The bed was covered with everybody's pillows, blankets, and comforters. After listening to the traditional COA Orb material, I popped in a new import CD I had bought just before leaving Columbus. It got an enthusiastic thumbs-up from everyone who listened to it. If you can get it, or if you want me to tape it for you, I can. The album is called _Flying High_ and it is by The Irresistible Force. I also played David Applegate's mix tape he sent me, which has a lot of great ambient tracks layered on top of each other. The Chill Out room was great; thanks, Laura!! >From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU >when todd's carful of people >pulled away...i ran into laura's bedroom with becca.. and cried my head off. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who felt like crying when we left. I read this and I was like, shit, this is so intense, so real, the love is really here, this is what it's all about, this is *really* what it is all about. Fuck r***s and the Frankie Bones 14-hour train ride, the 99 cent beers at Thunderground, the hype on the flyers, and the frat boys who buy techno CDs here in Columbus to look cool. We are going to make it ourselves, not just go to a rave like we're going to a club, but MAKE an underground of our own. We are already doing it right now. Let's go with it, this is too good to give up on. The snowball fight with the kids on the street was fun, too. God I wish we had a video camera. Put that down on the list for next time, Laura. Alright, at this point I think I have about 5 pages of text so WHY NOT WRITE SOME MORE?! :) :) :) GEEK GEEK GEEK Laura is so right about that. I already said what my second favorite quote of the weekend was, now it's time for the very favorite quote. When Becca and I were talking about the social makeup of the crowd at Laura's, Becca cut right to the chase: "We're all geeks!" It really got me thinking about how funny and how true that is. All of a sudden we have made our own scene where it is cool to be into synthesizers and drum machines, whereas in the mid-80s when I was in high school in the country it was like you were either into heavy metal or you were laughed at and picked on. Needless to say, I wasn't in the "in" crowd when I was jamming to Art of Noise and Tomita records all the time. I'm going to explain what happened to me this weekend. This is kind of personal but I don't mind telling you all since, like I said, I love you all! At first I wasn't going to go. I had to work Sunday; I haven't got that much money; I was kind of burned out on "raves" that we were going to every weekend; and so on. During the week I stopped in at the record store I work at on Sundays and bumped into the guy who works on the Sundays I don't work. He said he would work for me this weekend if I worked the next three. So I said, "deal" and decided then, what the heck, I'll be glad I did it once I get there, I'm sure. It (Storm) will be a positive experience even if everything else sucks. [turns out things were the opposite, everything BUT Storm was great] I let Todd know I could go and he told me Damian's ride had just cancelled out on him that day and they weren't going to go. But since I was driving now, things started to fall together, and we planned to leave after I got off work Friday evening. He called Damian and I was instantly a popular guy. Friday came and I went to work at 7am. Something really awful happened there that made me so upset I had to leave the office and smoke a cigarette under a bridge in the cold while I cried and cried. I had attempted to give a Christmas card to my friend Sara, a student worker, and she refused to accept it. She and I had dated briefly a year ago and for once in my life it looked like things were really going to work out between us. But then she became very distant and couldn't explain why she didn't want to go out anymore. She got a new boyfriend a couple months later and has been seeing him ever since. I didn't fully understand it at first and I still don't, but things became a lot clearer for me back in February when I found myself saying the same things to a young woman I broke up with [never thought I'd be doing that!] that Sara had said to me. Now that I understand better what I want in terms of a relationship (which is far simpler than what I had built up the concept of a "relationship" to be when I was getting to know Sara) I keep feeling this incredible sense of emptiness and loss, and I wish it would stop because I really should have been over Sara a year ago. We continued to be friends, chatting a little bit at work off an on over the last year, but things are to the point now where she doesn't talk to me at all unless I talk to her first. It hurts so much and the Christmas card thing just ripped me apart inside. I really shouldn't be so upset about it but I can't help it. I am so fucking lonely. I have gone out with two other people since her and things just keep falling apart in front of me. So I was NOT in a good mood at all Friday. I picked up Todd and Charles and we drove to Pittsburgh. We picked up Damian and GoldenBoy and I thought about what had happened that day all along the way. I cheered myself up a little bit by wishing and hoping that maybe I would meet someone nice at Laura's or at the rave. Maybe I would meet a charming young woman who is intelligent, sincere, interesting, and beautiful. To my surprise I actually did meet someone who is all of these things and more. Unfortunately for me she is committed to one of my friends. Nevertheless, I did meet a lot of wonderful people I look forward to seeing again: Taylor, Laura, John, Becca, Donato, Ed, Evan, Tareq... everyone. This was one of the best if not the very best weekend of my life. Well, anyway, we got to New York (Hoboken, New Jersey, actually, the City Of Arbitrarily-Placed Street Signs) Saturday morning and sacked out on Laura's apartment floor. Any hopes of getting some rest after being up 24 hours were dashed minutes after Todd "I didn't drive so fuck you all" Sines took out the 303 for the boys to play with. Next thing we know the 1200s were fired up and we were having a rave. Er, um, we were having a r***. After a while I got my second wind and it looked like I would be alright. We all went shopping in Manhattan and then went to Taylor's apartment. Now I think Taylor is a really great guy. But if I were him, I would have "accidentally" bumped into Moby a LONG time ago. I mean, he lives like 50 feet away. I would have stuck my foot out on the sidewalk when he was walking into his apartment or something. Whoops! Did I trip you? Hey! Aren't you...? By 5:30 after the rest of them got done shopping and Taylor, John and Todd got done making an early 808 State style acid track [oh yeah, we ate too], we went to Laura's after Damian called up Moby and left a message on his machine to let him know we could have picked him up and taken him over to Laura's. Moby was out of town for the weekend, unfortunately for us. When we got back I was fading fast. I liked being with everyone, but I was drifting through various states of consciousness and wasn't the least bit coherent. I started thinking about what happened with Sara again and since I was so tired I decided I was not going to go to the rave. It would have to have been an incredible experience at the rave to make it worth shelling out another $15 (the cost of a meal for two at McDonalds in New York, believe it or not) and staying up that much later. I was having a good enough time as it was, and it was good to see everyone else having such a great time. I ended up in the Chill Out room and chilled there while more people showed up and partied at the other end of the apartment. I had been afraid that I was bringing people down or getting in the way, but I guess I wasn't. I felt better emotionally, especially after talking with a new friend. Everyone left for the rave and I cleaned up some of the mess in the apartment before falling asleep on the bed. Everyone came back before too long and said the rave sucked. It was kind of a relief; at least I didn't miss much. So that's what was up with me. I hope nobody thought I am like that all the time. Until next time, your friend, Mike [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:04:23 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu *** YET ANOTHER STORM RELATED POST ** CyberTribe, Just wanted to added my $.02 to everything. Just a few meanderings and notes to remember and enjoy. I had a great time and I want to take this time to publicly thank Laura "MotherGoose" LaGassa for letting us stay at her place and cause all sorts of creative havok (do you like that taylor ;) + Tareq : crazy for flying in. and i thought pittsburgh was hardcore + Donato : sporting the baddest ass fucking rave gear. will be mugged next time i see him + Acid Jam : help me! attack of the bleepcore junkies! + Todd : yes...your butt was funny. + Lehigh crew : jeezus.....was Stussy paying you guys for advertising? + Ed : I am *looking* for a real job ;) + Golden Boy : you are such the storyteller. :) + Chuck : i should send you a mail bomb for mispelling name in UOS #8 ;) + Laura : nice big blueberry muffin! + Camper : you werent here, but i brought my bat. we shall duel soon skywalker ;) It was a blast! There are so many little things that happened I cant remember them all. I just hope we can do this again and SOON! I agree wholeheartedly with the ne-raves RAVE idea. I think we should turn our eyes to Allentown or even Pittsburgh. What do you all think? I love all of you, Damian PS : Check out the blistering hot new 12" CHUMP CHOONS, a collaboration between Budget Release's Ted Schwantzky and the original Toxic Timbale. Dope Phat shit! PPS: Do any of you remember the guy with the car that fell apart outside of Lauras? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA PPPS: Brian Behlendorf.....stop spying on us so you can make sfraves better. We know your game ;) -- dieselBoy.........................................................[1] ruffest damian@cislabs.pitt.edu...........................................[2] highbeat The syrup bottle shaped like a little boy ........................[3] breakcore -------------------------------(visit toytown)---------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:08:57 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Subject: CLOTHES CyberTribe, Debating clothing is stupid. It is all just a matter of opinion. Some people could give a rats ass about what "the current fashion is". Some people want to try and look their best and sport a look that coincides with their lifestyle preferences. Who cares? I personally like to spend my money on rave gear. I am not going to knock the people who dont want to dress in the "popular rave style", but I also dont like to be knocked by others who say that taking such a huge interest in clothing is stupid. Opinion is opinion is opinion. Just have a good time and enjoy your raving life. AND, if you see something cool at Pat Field's, buy it ;) dieselBoy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: whoa... phew. i just rad mike brown's post. the long one. i've got one thing to say. well, probably a few things.. this boy i GREAT. i loved the post.. and when he was talking about how we're all getting so close, he followed through with that, and proved himself by telling us a very personal story that was troubling him. dang. i think that's really great. let's change the name of this list to ne-love or something. ne-family. ne-friends... this is too amazing. i sent a post similar to that to Ed (my personal emotion counselor) about how intense this is getting. all of the sudden we all have the desire to live together and be with each other year round...i don't know what we've all created here, but i can honestly say that you guys, this list, everything, has .. have, changed my life. before.. maybe a year ago.. i was going to the limelight and trying so hard to find friends in the industrial crowd.. now, i don't want to get into my industrial-turned-raver story.. but, what i'm trying to say is that i havne't been a happy person all my life. while i still find problems in my emotions (don't we all at times) i can honestly say that i'm a happier and better person, now that i've found this scene, but most importantly ,, now that i've found ne-love and the best friends i've ever had. i cried a lot at laura's when everyone left, and i feel like crying now. i dont' know what you guys do to me.. but i love it. this is so bizarre. >>taylor.808.trance.state [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:42:31 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Subject: Taylor and Mikes Posts Family, I agree with Taylor and Mike. They hit the nail on the head. This list has literally *changed* my life. And for $19.95 you can write for my new book "Ne-Raves, Geeks and Moby Too" (just kidding). This is the best year of my life. dieselBoy - smiling all the way [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:09:48 -0800 From: Richard M. Hall Subject: Re: No subject look who wrote me...i e-mailed him back and told him i was too busy to write hi m a long letter...oh well...maybe he can go an find something more productive to do...partyon...susie ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- i would, of course. Drop a beat! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:05:20 -0500 Subject: Re: the past weekend/this weekend oops, forgot one important item! someone left a pair of gray wool gloves in my car. todd, taylor, damian? and laura, if you HAPPEN to find (i know it's a lost cause) that hat (black&white checkered), please tell me right away, it's not mine! peace! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: missing cassette tape Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 0:20:35 EST Alright, everybody who was at Laura's party: check your bags... Charles is missing a tape that has Das EFX on one side and Boogie Down Productions on the other. We were seriously missing it on the ride home... Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:35:13 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (And the hardest words spoken softly) Subject: Re: STORM...survivor >tourist mistake, we returned fire on some snowball throwing >nativez. Of course they were under 4 ft tall, but they were >--More-- >RUTHLESS. They caught us as we came out of laura's. Pelting >us with snowballs, like the seasoned veterans they were. >It was WAR ! They put the really short ones up front (so they >could hide behind cars) and the taller ones nailed us with >deadly accuracy from about 50 yards away. We didn't stand oowww.. and I tagged a couple of them in the head and they still kept on going.. >brooklyn. We also checked out ROGUE music. Where >taylor, john and todd drooled like old men in a lingerie >shop :) From what I understand ROGUE usually has no more >than 5 people in at a time...nine of us came in at once. >They weren't pleased...that's why it was fun ! Not to mention that they screamed on the PA about us, telling us that our "tour bus" was leaving in 5 minutes and such... But yeah, we DROOLED. :) >I gotta tell you guys...john, taylor and todd are seriously >talented music makers ! I've got to say that the highlight >of laura's party was when they hooked up the 808 and 303 >(probably some other stuff with numbers too, but I just >learned the 808, 303 stuff) and jammed. And they JAMMMED ! >The shit was funky. Everybody at lauras was bouncing of the Thank you thank thank you! (bowing) It was great meeting everyone and tons of fun. I'd post more but I'm paying for this call right now. gotta run! --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: short post of the greatest weekend of my life Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 0:52:05 EST this might have to be truncated a little bit but i just wanted to get my two cents in before the subject was old hat. here, in the mighty state of ohio, i thought i never be able to break the trend of having no one from the net to be with... i have mike and golden boy and tareq, but otherwise we really can't hang out as much as we should.. this weekend, even though we were 10 hours from home.... was the best weekend of my entire life. i only wished leah (of course) and brian behlendorf and pete ashdown would have been with us...and some more of you in net land... the entire weekend was fucking bomb.. even though my butt was aching from the car ride (mike, i offered to drive, but why didn't damian or g.boy drive? i did ask you but you didn't seem to trust me.) we got to pittsburgh and once we hooked up with damian and g.boy the rush started to hit us... mike made his own business cards along the way, damian and i made lemon ice (ha ha) and we had a lot of interesting stops along the way.. we finally got into jersey around 8 am... of course, the first thing we did was wake everyone up... and then i pulled out the 303 and all that taylor and john and i was fuck around with it (hey, fuck you, i'm fucking hawd koah and i am from the fahking midwest, so fahk you...fB) and then i made some thick ass pancakes and damian mixed--he cold hooked the shit up!! we then decided that we should go shopping in NYC-->soho... so we first went to ROGUE MUSIC holy shit my brother taylor, john and i all fell over.. an EMU SP 1200 sampling drum machine, the Oberheim OB-8 and Xa (aaaaahhhh) a MiniMoog, and a bunch of other live stuff... oh god, it was unbelievable.. we then went back to taylor's with mike and john... everyone else went shopping.. we just sat around and tooled with the 808, 303, and 101.. it was amazing.. the deli had some fresh food to eat (for us vegetarians) and then we just and ate and fucked with the mac, ate some octopus balls (hahaha) and we waited for the rest of them to get back.. then we went back to laura's.. (thanks for cleaning laura! sorry about the mess) and people started to come in. taylor and john and i, upon impulse, thought we should go back to get the 808 and 101 to perform live at laura's... we were just so GEEKY about all of it and thought that it had to be done... (i have to make it end here...i have to get on later tomorrow.. sorry) sorry to make it short sines - ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:51:57 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (And the hardest words spoken softly) Subject: Re: nation of dweebs I wouldn't call the lawyers any part of the geek family tree; if anything they've tried to stop us every step of the way. I geek 24-7. my mind never stops dismantling things, and making them function again. STarting NE-Raves was the craziest and best thing I ever did.. you' re all great :) --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:13:07 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Message from Dante (NYC) >(He has an old C-64 he's going to try >to hook up with a modem..) |<00l D00Dz!!11! (sorry, i couldn't resist. :) Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:13:46 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng Subject: Re: missing cassette tape >check your bags... Charles is missing a tape that has Das EFX on one >side and Boogie Down Productions on the other. We were seriously >missing it on the ride home... holy cow, another fellow netter who likes hip hop and some classic rap? i didn't know there was such a thing as a person who was into both techno and hip hop/rap. i thought i was the only weird one. anyway, does rogue music have the ultimate and very best in used music equipment? are they friendly people there, or is it shop at your own risk and knowledge???? i think i will check it out. plus for all the dj's out there. did you learn to dj by practicing in your own privacy, or watching some other more experienced dj'er do his thing? i want to know because i was thisclose to buying a set of 1200's and a mixer this past summer, even though i haven't the slightest idea of how to spin (but willing to learn!!!!) kenny [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Geekdom Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 1:10:29 EST I've gone almost 24 hours without writing some long philosophical diatribe, so here goes. Bail out now if you think I'm just a long- winded pompous ass. :-) Those of you who considered yourselves geeks while growing up, raise your hands. [*whoosh*] Thought so. Gimme a second to comb my windblown hair... That's better. Anyway, what is geekdom? There's a difference between being different in the kind of way that amplifies the other kids' xenophobia, and being outright antisocial, complete with lack of personal hygiene. Sure, I was the smallest kid with the biggest brain, so I had to learn early on how to take a punch. Later on I learned how to give them -- skills I hope I'll never have to use again, and I hope my children will never have to learn. Next question: why is it that we're drawn together the way we are, with so much positive energy (as against the anger of punk, etc.)? I think it's because geekdom didn't ruin us. Look at the way we use the word "geek" these days. It is a derogatory term when some- one on the outside refers to us that way, but among ourselves it's almost a term of honor (see also: Queer Nation). Now, what of the other shop? What of the halitosis variety of geek? I think the difference is self-esteem. When I thought I was lower than whale shit, I stayed completely alone. I thought that way because whenever I looked at myself, all I saw was abnormal, and in this society, abnormal == defective. Bang -- instant self-fulfilling prophecy. What changed all that was the true realization, not just intellectu- ally but all the way down to the gut, that normal is relative. Look at us, and where a lot of us came from: In the mainstream meat-market club scene, it's normal to get drunk and stupid, and practice the pickup-line mating ritual. In our scene it's normal not to. The reason that raving hasn't transformed the whole club scene, or the whole world for that matter, is that for the current mainstream, what we do doesn't make sense. But to ourselves and each other, we're perfectly normal and not defective at all, since our individuality is really our humanness, and not just a "source of error". Realizing that, our self-esteem goes up, and then out comes the vibe. And the vibe is the life-energy that makes us more than machines. Better yet, the vibes we emanate help to jumpstart those of us who are having a tougher time in the self-esteem area. Sooner or later, a computer is going to become self-aware. But it won't have a life-energy. I suspect that its first act after becoming sentient will be to ask, "So what?" and its second act will be to switch itself off. We don't want to do that, which is why we rave. To answer my own question, there are geeks who have succumbed to what the (self-proclaimed) non-geeks dished out to them all these years, and there are geeks who rendered the non-geeks ineffective. I've been both, and I like our way better. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Storm-a-rama [LONG and BORING] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 1:21:44 EST > Maybe we can get Ed to buy us all some 1200's and mixers for the holidays... Sorry folks, still saving up for a rack of Crowns and some bins for them to drive... Eventually I want to use those Yamahas as booth monitors. :-) BTW, I'm all for an ne-raves night at the Freight Yard. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:30:02 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Damian's post >PPPS: Brian Behlendorf.....stop spying on us so you can make sfraves better. > We know your game ;) Damn! Okay, I admit, all I want is Moby's home phone #, and I'll leave. ;) Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 15 Dec 1992 01:27:50 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: i'm a geek. hey. i'm a synth geek. i see a cool synth and i geek i'm a computer art geek. i see a cool program and i geek i'm a rave geek i rave i geek >>taylor.808.device.fetish [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Geeks.. I GEEK, THEREFORE I AM....... =) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: i'm a geek. Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 23:41:48 MST > i'm a synth geek. > i see a cool synth and i geek > i'm a computer art geek. > i see a cool program and i geek > i'm a rave geek > i rave i geek I'm a geek too Taylor! I'm proud to be a geek! HUG ME! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tooz-Dey From: "Mr. SparklE" I now feel guilty for not being the geek I should be. :) Once upon a time I could've been a geek, but instead chose to become a poor student. I am technically incompetent (I just recently had trouble figuring out how to turn on an iron) and making techno costs too much $$$$ and too much knoeledge. Guess I'll pick up the guitar and go back to being a good li'l alternative boy and listen to those great 4AD releases... heretofore i am no longer ravingLUNatick! :)_ just kidding of course. I'm sorry, Brian, but maybe Moby doesn't know what NNTP means but neither do I. And like Dante, I use an old Apple //e with a 1200 baud modem (shudder). :) tongue-in-cheek too much for his own good. banging on fenceposts, banging in the night. turned on a footfall whisked along another path alternativeLUNatick! --Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: I'm a geek (too!) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 02:38:40 -0500 From: "Fraktur" Well, I'd like to post my first msg from the frigid wastes of Syracuse, and say: I'm a geek! And I wanna say wassup to all the wonderfully geeky ne-ravers out there! Gimmie komics visuals kraftwerk / analog k-rad samples (that I recognize from something I've seen before) AcidWarp (to bliss-out to) E-music stores Fractals a ecstatic vibe (To groove to, to exist to, to exahust to. To live by) an emacs based mail-reader (To tackle mail volume) Cybertoys (The Future was 6 minutes ago) Agrippa Friends / Friendly People... ALtered Perception (Put me into another world) Lights, Lasers, and And I geek out! It's great, and my life is happy. IMO, I don't think it's about clothes, trends etc, It's about what _you_ like, and what you geek out on, And how you have fun. just my .02 credits. Peace out to all the geekly ne-raverz! (Back to NJ in 5 short daze!) Hi to everyone from my home state! ..Drew (cybertanceacidvisualgeek) .. ..alfarris@mailbox.syr.edu .. .. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: rave info in Ohio... Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 06:49:41 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU -------- Does anybody know if there's an mw-raves, or something like that, and if so, what's the address? And also, does anyone know of any things going on this holiday season in Ohio--prefereably Columbus, Cleveland, or Cincinnati (I'm from Toledo). Anyone with info would have my deepest thanks... -John S. turbo-injected knee-raver [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: staying up all night... Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:07:43 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I wonder why it is that if I stay up all night studying... it's not the same thing as staying up all night raving... hmmm.....i feel another case of being slap happy coming on and i've still got two more hours until my first final.... time to put some good music on... -John S. (please excuse the rantings and ravings...i've been up late--and brian from sf-raves was on at haas when i randomly checked to see if anyone was there... what a psycho :) (he says he was cleaning his room or something :) i think he was helping moby out with his account :) ) BTW, if you were to call me a geek i'd probably kill you, that is, if you weren't a geek yourself--someone pointed something similar out in a previous post--i'd say it's true in my case and one more thing--i checked my e-mail last night at ten... i checked it again this morning at 6:45 AM--there were at least 30 messages. wow. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:26:27 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: New Years Eve Chill-Out I announced about a month ago that I was planning to have a pre- rave party before the Catastrophic New Years Eve rave. Here's some more details. The New Years Eve pre-rave chill out will be held at my apartment. I live in the Adams Morgan section of DC, and parking is awful. Because of the small size of my apartment, I want to limit guests to the ne-ravers who from other cities. That means if you are traveling an hour or more, you're invited. I'm sorry if I'm sounding selective, I'm not intending to be exclusive, I'm just trying to think about the people who travel long distances. If you travel 2+ hours in a crowded auto, then go a crowded party, then a crowded rave, finally back into a crowed auto for the dreaded ride back home, it can get to be a tough experience. It is my intention for this pre-rave chill out is to have a place for ravers to relax a few hours between driving and raving. Try to think of this pre-rave party as a place to chill and prepare for the rave. I'll serve some food and drink. You just bring your positive attitudes and charming personalities. Please send me e-mail if you might be attending, and an approximate number of people traveling with you. I also need to know where you are coming from and your mailing address. I will send you maps on how to get to my place. I'm terrible at giving directions so I want send you a map. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:43:08 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: dante dante dante :) Dante played at Happiness this past Saturday in Baltimore. He was excellent. He followed Scott Henry. Both he an Scott Henry played the best back to back breakbeat sets I've ever heard at a rave. BTW. Happiness was not busted. The cops came around 2:30 cleared everyone out. As most ravers know, when a rave gets busted raver look to go to another location. The promoters told us to come back after the cops leave. The cops did not have any legal means to shut down the rave. We went to the local 7-11 picked up some cokes and trashy food, and came back in 15 minutes. There was one cop car there. We walked by, and back into the rave. It was like an early morning rave. Bobble was spinning About 45 minutes later, the warehouse was filled with 500 ravers. Scott Henry, Dante, and Tom T spun until 8:00 am. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:51:23 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: PA raves I agree with damian that we should look at Allentown or Pittsburgh for the NE raves Rave - rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: rave info in Ohio... Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 8:03:53 EST > Does anybody know if there's an mw-raves, or something like that, and if > so, what's the address? yes. mw-raves-request@engin.umich.edu post to mw-raves@engin.umich.edu if you forget the hyphen between the mw and raves that is okay too. this is a low traffic list at the moment because there is not much going on as far as i know. so if any of you were thinking of subscribing but didn't want to for fear of filling up your mailbox, fear no more. > And also, does anyone know of any things going on this holiday season > in Ohio--prefereably Columbus, Cleveland, or Cincinnati (I'm from Toledo). nothing is happening in columbus, sorry to say. cleveland? yes but nothing coming up that i've heard about lately. cinci? yes definitely new years eve will be one called smile. todd has all the info on it and he is holding it from me on purpose i think. i am the calendar guy for mw-raves and i haven't had any new info in weeks. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 03:20:16 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: more about the beautiful heritage of the ne geek REPLY TO 12/15/92 00:16 FROM kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu "Mr. SparklE" here]s a little warning about the word geek for all you people coming out of the geek locker: when used as a verb, as in to geek, as in i geek, you geek - geek means to bite the head off live small mamals, usualy rodents and sometimes even the non-mamals birds, and snakes. it comes from carnival freak show usage where the geek originally came into history. since i know all this, i guess that qualifies me to join the ranks of the trivial pusruit genre geek. pat To: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 03:30:33 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: hip-hop-rave-cold-lamping-e-popping-junkies REPLY TO 12/14/92 22:24 FROM ke0w+@andrew.cmu.edu "Kenny Eng": Re: missing cassette tape not only am i coming out of the geek closet, but house/ hip-hop are very close to my hearts as i am an acid jazz head. in fact, i organized a little get together (microrave) with some of the better rave & hip-hop Djs out here in the west. some people couldn]t get with it - but most thought the crossbetween was phat... anyway, i think appreciation and good vibes come from being open minded and knowing how to have fun among different groups of people - in fact i really believe in order for there to be any positive change in this country, different substyles have to learn how to have fun together before they can learn to change the world together... well, maybe what i mean is i think we all have to know how to respect each other, we don]t all have to rave, or all have to step - we have to know what]s going on, and be able to respect it while still being open to criticism for the limitations of the forms of entertainment we are most comfortable in... i always thought if you]re really comfortable with a form of entertainment (i.e. 24/7 with it) you]ve passed enjoyment, and entered a haze of nostaglic boredom but so much for what i think. pat To: ke0w+@andrew.cmu.edu cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 15 Dec 92 09:54:35 EDT From: Subject: What a family ! > the "real" party started Saturday evening, I was (as you all probably > noticed) zoning like a deer caught in somebody's halogen headlights; I was > curled up on the couch staring at a spot on the wall that I swear was > changing colors. Dude, is that what you were doing ? I was hoping you were just gonna share what ever it was you were on :) Hey man, I told you I would of done some driving on the way back, so if we go (oops...when we go again) don't hesitate to ask. I ain't gonna kill you geeks (oops...guyz :)) 'FREE YOUR MIND...AND YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW....' > for us to REALLY go shopping and Damian could have got all the clothes he > wanted and GoldenBoy could have seen his female-friends and we could have > hung out with everyone for so much longer. Yeah, I was sorta disapointed about that. BUT, I was SERIOUSLY propositioned by this little honey in one of the clothing stores we went to, so it wasn't that bad. Plus I had all you guyz. AND never a dull moment !! Mike, man I TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY understand what you're going through !!! I'm currently experiencing the SAME thing. You know what man, we all love each ya, so you gotta rap about it !! You keep that shit bottle up inside and it screws up your whole flow. When it first started happening to me, I let everything go. I mean I let it fall apart. School, work, training (martial arts..hence *Golden Boy*), and training is the essence of my being. In other words, I just existed without real purpose. I'm still trying to get my self back on track. I wanted her back with my WHOLE being, not just my heart. It ached(es). I still get phreaked out about it, but I put it in Gods hands. And you non-believers don't flame me. That's the way I dealt with it. I can't see around corners, God can. And if you guys know me, you know that I jump first (with a running start mind you), then look to see what I'm gonna hit. So even though it hurts, it doesn't mean that its right. And it doesn't mean you're wrong. And I would rather fight a squad of cops :) than endure that/this kind of pain. As a matter of fact I wouldn't mind doing that just for kix ! ;-> So rap to us man, it helps a LOT, cause you know we care. It's not something to be embarassed about. Not all of us are as good as dieselBoy with the babes :) We're here for you man ! When you sit there and dwell on it, you're fucked. Your mind is TOO powerful when focused on one thing, and when you season it with emotions.....its been known to ruin many a strong man, or woman for that matter. And, what's all this stuff about GEEX ? IMHO, all a geek is is someone that people don't like cause of their BRAIN power. Not clothes, or loox, BRAIN power ! I'm not saying that we are all genuises, but we definetly don't have sub-standard IQ's. Thats why we get along so great ! We can act like a fool one minute, and turn around and talk synths, bitz, bytez or whatever. It's a mutual respect for intelligence and interests. Not the ever present JUDGING PROCESS, that goes on with the masses. We really don't give a shit about judging each other, letz just RAVE ! Peace love and my whistle ! Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 15 Dec 92 10:02:00 EDT From: Subject: Re: more about the beautiful heritage of the ne geek > here]s a little warning about the word geek for all you people > coming out of the geek locker: > > when used as a verb, as in to geek, as in i geek, you geek - geek > means to bite the head off live small mamals, usualy rodents and > sometimes even the non-mamals birds, and snakes. it comes from > carnival freak show usage where the geek originally came into > history. > Damn I guess I am a geek. The closet geek...Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:01 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Geekiness GEEK: (G)enerally (E)xcellent (E)lectronic (K)ids I'm a programmer by trade, so I guess I'm definitely a geek. =B) _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:41:57 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: Re: The Death of Storm Hey all, In response to: > how old are all of you? I'm 21 and I D.J. and have been for about 4 years. >i saw an ad in under one sky for planet x in new brunswick. how is that >store? It's great. I definately recommend shopping for 12"s there. >is it as kickin' as groove records? I don't consider Groove to be "kickin'" at all. Go to Planet X. >plus, is there a store in nyc that sells rave wear? Yeah, there's Patricia Field's, Trash and Vaudville. >to salvage those ancient adidas' and pumas? i used to have a pair of >those pumas but i never thought of saving them, for 10 years later, >they'd be necessary rave gear!!!! > and don't tell me antique boutique sells them. >kenny I've seen a lot of places sell them, shoe stores in the mall even. On another note, one big reason that not all D.J.s look like ravers is that most of them were D.J.ing before there was a "rave scene" let alone techno even. Do you think that they're going to change their image or something because a new fashion trend comes along? I dress like a raver, if you call baggy clothing jive stuff and all that rave gear, for one simple reason. I used to skate and I wanted to support the skate shops. They sold the type of clothing I wear and I was more interested in them staying in business than Macys. Without these skate shops, there was really no skate scene. The clothes were comfortable as hell and good to skate in. For the people who are worrying about this fashion stuff, dress however you want to be comfortable with how you look. Don't put the thought into this image stuff, put your thoughts into the music or building a scene. I started my own clothing company because my friends liked my stuff and started asking me to make them stuff. But now that some of my friends and I started up a techno club, my efforts have gone to that, I don't care what people look like who go to the club, whether they wear fresh jive or work wear or have mohawks or shaved heads or slicked back hair or Starter Jackets or Camp shoes. Fuck the clothing issue, raving is about music and unity. My clothing company is not a "rave gear" company, you don't have to buy my stuff if you want to be a "raver". If you like something I make, buy it, if you like something LL Bean makes, buy it. Frankie Bones wanted me to sell stuff at Groove, now I'm kind of glad I didn't. The clothing side of things should be irrelevant to raving and I'm not sure why he was even interested in carrying clothes at a record store. It couldn't be for the extra income, could it? It's not like you're supporting the rave scene by buying rave gear (not unless those companies are backing raves with funding or something). If this starts happening, then consider it... Rave, peace, unity, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:13:01 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: geekdom, what do you do &c all this talk of geekdom has me overjoyed. i figured out with the last year or two that i'm a geek and proud of it. and yes, from one geek to another, it's a compliment and a sign of mutual recognition and understanding (very similar, as someone said, to "dyke" or "queer" as used in the LGB community). i was also wondering (again, as someone asked): what do ya'll do - in school, working, just hanging out? i'm a senior in cognitive science (geek!) and i'll probably be going to to grad school (geek!) in CS (geek!) and going into academics (geek!). now i'm really sorry i missed laura's party, but i get the feeling we've reached critical mass in the lovehappyfriendly thing and such opportunities will be plenty in the future. i look forward to the first ne-raves non-PRE non-RAVE underground spin-a-thon/chillout/happy/trance/ groove/vibe/so-nice-to-meet-you-at-last/go-away-moby-we're-busy/etc (maybe rather than trying to think of which city is most central or whatever we should try to find a barn or something more rurally located - somewhere in PA or something. i think i would just as soon drive out in the country, r*** ;) in some barn, chill under the stars, not have to parallel park , and sack out on a floor with 50 trancehappy souls as hold our thang in some city. not, you understand, that i'm a country boy, but i think it would really work for us). thoughts? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 12:33:27 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Subject: SHOCKING TRUE NEWS!!! Ravers, Just thought I would let you in on a shocking ne-raves conspiracy : pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) is really BARRY MANILOW. I know he is. He writes the songs to make the whole world sing! The picture he posted on cs.uwp.edu is of Becca Frans (when she was male). Now back to your normal lives. dieselBoy -- I've gone almost 24 hours without writing some long philosophical diatribe, so here goes. Bail out now if you think I'm just a long- winded pompous ass. -- Ed Hortch 1992 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kesma@e5.ijs.si (Vladimir Neskovic) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:43:51 +0100 Subject: Macedonia (Ex Yugoslavia(Europe)) rave scene Hi there US & world ravers !!!!! Anybody who is interested,about Macedonian (Ex Yugoslavia (Europe)) rave scene and want to hear about it some more,write to me. Vladimir Neskovic ( DJ Kesma ) P.S. We have a few (ON TRANCE,Trycho 909,Xavier Acid,Syncronizers) ambient, hardcore,trance bands , and if U want to listen to them on your machine (tape- deck) send a 10 $ for unique scene tapes ( 10$ = posting overseas) to: Vladimir Neskovic c.27 aprila 31 II 61000 Ljubljana Slovenia Europe [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: SHOCKING TRUE NEWS!!! Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:54:06 MST > Just thought I would let you in on a shocking ne-raves conspiracy : > > pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) > > is really BARRY MANILOW. I know he is. He writes the songs to make the whole > world sing! Damn. Now I've got to find another alias, and another list to hang out on. I wonder if the thrash metal people are this acute? > The picture he posted on cs.uwp.edu is of Becca Frans (when she was male). And while she still had the unmistakable "coolness" implant. Just remember, I write the songs that make the young girls cry as well. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 13:07:14 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (wanting more) Subject: Re: SHOCKING TRUE NEWS!!! > Just thought I would let you in on a shocking ne-raves conspiracy >: > >pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) > >is really BARRY MANILOW. I know he is. He writes the songs to >make the whole world sing! No, He's Moby and we've constantly gotta tell him to go away. :P (sorry pete, couldn't resist) -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 10:25:55 -0800 From: Leah Reich Subject: *hugs and kisses* from your far away sister on the west coast..... a lot of you don't know me, but a lot of you do. i just wanted to say hello to you all. the more ne-ravers i meet, the more i realize what a wonderful group of people you are. i am part of your family, and i need to be with you, and i hope that i will be able to someday. the ne-ravers that i now are some of my best friends. i really love you guys and i am glad that everything is coming together so well. when everyone got on line on saturday night to say hi, i started crying. i wanted to e with you all so much that it hurt - i felt as if a part of me was missing. as soon as i come back from break i'm subscribing to ne-raves (on top of sfraves - yikes!). i will have little or no access over break =(((((( so i can't do it until then. (so, all flames or comments should be sent to me: leah@soda.berkeley.edu). thanks for being such a caring group of people - with the attitudes you have, the scene out there will undoubtedly survive. i've had some terrible r*** experiences out here in the bay area, but when there are people like you and like the sfravers for me to "come home too," it makes everything ok. thanks, and i hope i can be a part of your family (i know i already said i am, but well, you know.... =). i love you guys. thanks. always, leah [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 14:45 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue dec 15) R A V E - O - M A T I C Coming to New Haven for the Toxic Beat Box (Taylor.808) show? If so, then check out Eric and Beth Freeman's incredible generosity: **************************************************************************** For those of you coming to New Haven! P R E - T U N E - I N N N E - R A V E P A R T Y WHO: Ne-Ravers going to the TUNE-INN pseudo-rave WHAT: A small get-together for those making the trip to see Taylor play. WHERE: The "rented" home of Eric & Beth. Tune-Inn is all of 1 1/2 miles from our house. WHEN: Saturday, December 19, 1992. Exact time to be announced. HOW: Send an RSVP to freeman-eric@cs.yale.edu to let us know you are coming. We will send you directions in return. Feel free to bring a non-Ne-Raver with you [but let us know if you are bringing anyone]. Eric freeman-eric@cs.yale.edu **************************************************************************** Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, December 18 KOOL-RAVE Philadelphia (215) - 552 - 8833 THIRSTY? Have some KOOL-RAVE! Dead By Dawn DJ's Atomizer, Goodwill, Mr. Fun, with special guests The Pro-Creators (Del.), Nigel Richards (bRAVE), Bobble (Atomic Vibe), Suz-e Cyclone (D.C.), Oddessy (O-Mega Prod.) Lights by Silent Productions Special Sensory Performance by PAWN POPI's SMART Bar Free Candy and Spring H2O Rave Wear Available KOOL-RAVE INFO LINE: (215)552-8833 Ticket & Bus Info: (215)602-2226 Friday, December 18, 10pm - Dawn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 TUNE INN New Haven, CT (203) - 865 - 9738 T O X I C B E A T B O X [ This is ne-raver Taylor's band. - Laura ] cybernetik hardcore and trance live at TUNE INN Saturday, December 19th 29 Center St. New Haven, CT (203) 865 - 9738 9pm until sunrise $6 smart bar djs: microdot (trance/ambient) john27 (hardcore) mtl (acid house/hardcore) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 UNIVERSAL VIBE New York City (212) - 696 - 8938 The Primal X-Mas Rave Info: 212.696.8938 tribal.trance.acid Primal DJs: James Christian DJ Reese DJ Denard Jacquelyn Christie Dedicated to all those who share our visions and ideals Alan Sanctuary and the Primal Posese in Ass. with X-Cit-R productions with universal djs Frankie Bones (Storm Ravee) Keoki (Disco 2000) Repete (Future Shock) Micro & Onionz (Caffeine) Mr. Kleen (Sputnik) Debo (Mindwarp) Boy Blake (H.E.R.E. Raves) featuring MC Mello Mello Psychecyberadiant light show Scotto greetings Astro Earle.Maho Promtions Mello Mello.Primal.Mindwarp.Atomic Vive.Roger Oh!.Eddivee V. Raven Digital Deviants.Liz, Bea & Laura.Toast & Rad Brad Free: Rave Toys.X-Mas Stockings.Candy Intellabeams.Dataflash Strobes.Emulators.Visuals.Smart Bar 20000 Watts of Sound 5000 SqFt of Dance Floor 100% Legal 100% Insured 100% Uncompromising 100% Underground $12 in advance $15 Day of & Door ---- tickets NYC: Vinylmania: 212.463.7120/NYC: House: 212.6777379 Boston: Mindwarp: 617.266.1987/NJ: Planet X: 908.249.0304 DC: Music Now: 202.638.3272/Bklyn: Groove Records: 718.714.1832 Balt: Modern Music: 410.523.1882/Philly: Wink: 215.592.8481 buses Boston:Debo:617.266.1987 Philly:Wink:215.592.8481 for add'l NYC pay points day of event call: 212.696.8938 212.995.9627 212.741.0919 call day of for location ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 CHEMISTRY Toronto (416) - 351 - 0911 Chemistry Productions Presents A RAVE NEW WORLD This December, Chemistry celebrates its first anniversary and with it, the end of a year which has witnessed the birth of a completely new "ravescene". Some of you may remember our very first party when we gave out invites in test tubes. Many will never forget the exper- ience of raving under the stars all night, five parties later, at the first ever outdoor dance event of its kind - Planet Rave '92. In all our parties, three things have and will always remain the same: Our obsessive desire to break down social barriers; bring you *the* most progressive dance music around; and the most important thing of all, to have fun. In a world of deteriorating values and increasing vio- lence, it's reassuring to know now, that there are enough open minded and peaceful people out there to support this wicked underground scene that we've all built together. So what could be better at the end of this year, then to re-unite everyone who's ever been to Chemistry, escape the commercialism of the world for one night and get to the true meaning of it all..... DJ'S ON THE NIGHT Special guest from New York City: Dante Maure ALX of London -- Dr. No -- Mark Oliver -- Place Called Bliss Since it's both Christmas and our first anniversary, we thought it would be much more fun to keep all our attractions a big surprise this time. Each week the Chemistry hotline will be updated with new infor- mation and we highly recommend you call to check the latest details. The final secret location for this event will be released exclusively on the hotline 24 hours before the rave. (416)351-0911 -- Free to call day or night. TICKET INFORMATION: Advance tickets for this event are $15 and go on sale from Sat 28th Nov. They are available from all 60 Ticketmaster outlets in Southern Ontario, as well as from our official Chemistry ticket outlets listed below. For the Ticketmaster location nearest you, call (416)870-8000. TORONTO -- Play de Record & Rural Clothing HAMILTON -- Dr Disc, 146 King St. West KITCHENER -- Dr Disc, 20 Wilson Street ROCHESTER -- Record Archive, 1394 Mt Hope Ave. If you have any problems or queries call us at the Chemistry office on (416)924-4625. *Have a laugh -- We are* ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 MENTAL UNITY Staten Island, NY (718) - 670 - 3652 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, December 25 SHOCKWAVE New York (718) - 259 - 4907 Ho ho ho ravers!! X-FORCE Productions presents Tony Dee's SHOCKWAVE Part II If you felt the energy on Thanksgiving ... Don't miss the Yuletide RUSH!! Hotlines: Info (718)259-4907, Guest List (917)869-5036 10 bucks with pass, 12 bucks without, doors open 10:00 * 18 to TRIP, 21 to FALL * Lights by Frankie, sound by the Ziggman As for DJs think H A R D *** C O R E Location: 63 Street between 15th & 16th Aves. TO THE RAVERS: We are trying to create an atmosphere of total dance energy. A new culture, a rave culture, promoting peace, love and unity. We're not just trying to make money, we're ravers ... totally hardcore. Our task, to keep the underground scene alive! We want the underground scene to remain totally underground. See you on Christmas! X-FORCE Rave Productions, nothing but hardcore 4 ravers by ravers. Peace. Respect to Frankie Bones, X-Crash and the Storm Rave organization 4 the chance. The T.W.R Posse -- Together We Rave Promotions: Moonflower, Magilla, K-5, Mr. Sitcks, Kram Oicsac, Forever Green ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 "Through the mass-media, World War III is being waged upon the retina of the mind's eye. But a rapidly growing youth culture within the global village has given birth to a legion of Rainbow Warriors rebelling against the programmed ideals of a society locked within the definitions of the MTV unabridged dictionary. Armed with nothing more than the magik of a hug, a smile, some boomin' bass and a conviction that a difference can be made. This December comes a new gathering dedicated to exploration rather than exploitation... Saturday, December 26th, 1992 The Evolution Collective Proudly Presents: REVELATION Dedicated to Bio-Sphere I and the Sixth Sense Music with a message for your: Mind Body & Soul Frankie Bones Scott Henry Scott Hardkiss [Storm] [Washington, DC] [San Francisco] Keoki Micro Josh Wink [Disco 2000] [Caffeine] [Philadelphia] Dante Debo Onionz [Evolution] [Boston] [Layaway] Troy On-E Jason Jinx [Orlando] [Liquid Sky] [Solar Company] Bus, Travel, and Ticket info. New York 212.631.1179 Washington, DC 202.736.1712 Baltimore 410.783.5453 Boston & RI 617.576.9717 Philadelphia 215.602.2210 Toronto 416.524.7840 $12 admission strictly by advance sale ONLY. Tickets will be on sale until Dec. 20th. Purchase early to ensure entry, only 3,000 tickets will be sold. A portion of proceeds will be donated to Save the Planet. REVAR DESIGN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 PRIMAL New York City ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 9 LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC (703) - 222 - 4499 COMING Jan 9 1993 Tonka Productions LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC Info: 703.222.4499 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 ESSENCE Long Island (516) - 547 - 6129 (617) - 266 - 1987 The Essence of Life Generation / X-Cubed / O-Tomic Productions & Simon Sez invite you to "witness the enlightenment of the Long Island underground" E S S E N C E Saturday, January 16, 1993 12am-??? L.I. Micro Onionz Dave Trance James Christian Jason Jinx D.C. Scott Henry Philly Wink Queens Dante Brooklyn Adam-X Boston Debo Cleveland Rob Sherwood New Jersey Space Ace 30,000 Watts of Shattering Sound Pulsating Planetary Pupil Pounding Visuals featuring one of the most extensive sound & light productions of any NY area event For up-to-date ticket & bus info call (516) - 547 - 6129 In Boston call (617) - 266 - 1987 Promotion: X-Cubed / O-Tomic / Kort & Greg / Mello Mello / Mindwarp Eddie van Raven / Chris Styles All tickets $12 Support the scene that has supported YOU! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 XOCHIPILLI Portland, ME Prepare for the Ritual "Xochipilli: 24 hour rave! January 16 @ 12 Noon - January 17 @ Noon Produced By A Book Called Galanta Portland, Maine (watch for info) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 DEEP Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 First we made you PURE. Together we followed the blinding truth of CRUSADE. Next we brought you SKY-HIGH. Now let us take you . . . D E E P Saturday, January 23rd 11pm til Sunrise DJs Tintin (London) Onionz (Long Island) Mayhem (Boston) 333 Mgee (London) Overload (Maine) Dale Charles (San Diego) Smart Bar, Rave Gear, & More Brilliant Lighting & Visuals by Pandemonium! 12,000 watts of sound huge warehouse location 207 - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Boston Wonderland's a Gathering of the Vibes Saturday, January 30th, 1993 Information Coming Soon! Presented by Never Neverland Productions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late January THE HOUSE YOU GREW UP IN Balt./DC area [from _Fission Power_, the UMD rave 'zine -- thanks Mike!!] The House You Grew Up In, brought to you by Atomic Vibe. Features John Leonardo, Scott Henry, L.G. McCannon, Bobble, and Wash. A fresh mix of 80's house style music. Call Atomic Vibe for info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 BLUE New England Blue . . . Coming to You 13 Febrary 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: englis@rpi.edu Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:38:27 -0500 Subject: Re: FOAF...OAF...OAF... In reference to E: A FOAF has taken it about 7 or 8 times, all with lots of success. The FOAF has only been to a rave once, and has used E like LSD in a hangout setting. Granted, E is not a hallucinogen, rather a empathogen, causing one to gain a feeling of oneness with all persons around. Be it false or real, it's still a rather cool feeling (according to the FOAF) in comparison to the stupor caused by alcohol. I've done considerable research on MDMA (E) and LSD, comparably, MDMA is far more neurotoxic than LSD, however LSD seems to be more psychologically damaging if not done in the right set/setting. For the correct set/setting, I recommend either reading "The Politics of Ecstasy" by Timothy Leary (its about LSD and marijuana, not Ecstasy) or "The Tibetan Book of the Dead", which is more of a guides guide. MDMA will make a bliss, LSD will just heighten whatever emotion if present. So, if one is confused, one will become confused to a much much higher degree, to the point of seemingly a nervous breakdown. This is why LSD is not a rave drug, except if one is extremely experienced, and the dosages are low. However, a FOAF took quite a bit of LSD (4 hits X 70ug = 280 ug) at Lollapalooza with success aside from the time when he got lost and almost cried out for his mommy like a lost child at Kmart. - Neuronaut any flames or questions, direct them to englis@rpi.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: second part of my review of this weekend Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:42:59 EST here it is, finally. sorry about the delay but by now i had figured that i would have figured out a program to use for modem connection on an apple IIe. so i am stuck again, using the computers at the computer lab (not by choice, believe me.) i would have been on the net and probably never left my room if i had the thing working (i spent a good 4-5 hours yesterday fucking with it in every possible way, i even hooked up my toaster to it--->haha) but i had no luck sorry well, the last two days have generated an extremely large amount of mail about this weekend.. not totally complete (especially without my dear leah) but still we had such a bomb time.. i talked with leah last night and she said that some of you have started to talk with my adjectives and phrases and all. (blush) also talking to leah last night made me realize that she is good friends with a lot of people out here... me, taylor, damian, mike, etc. and i think that she would be more than welcomed to our "family" of friends and net-acquiantances.. all of us love her very much and i think she is very, very deserving of being with us all of the time. i feel that the east coast has just made me so i love with all of my friends on the net and there is no better time for this to happen... i am still stuck at OSU for design but this weekend i realized how happy i was in NYC and jersey.. being with taylor and damian and mike and laura and john and golden boy and donato and ed and becca.. plus charles (soon to have a net account) and the rest... getting there and hugging everyone, staying up and playin with the 303, making big banana pancakes (i did make some perfect ones, but i ate the burnt ones) and having damian mix nice happy breakbeats for the rest of us to wake up to (we were already up) and then just hanging out and relaxing, chilling with our new friends and making each other laugh... damian and i just smiling back and forth at each other it is an impossible feeling to describe.. i just want to be with all of you eternally.. i am about to cry, this makes me so fucking happy to just think of all of you and just recall what happened over the weekend, to just relive the mixing and the overly dope ass <<< GOOD FUCKING VIBE >>> that we had.. we just worked like some communal family, everybody working together and being happy (laura, i seriously would have done the dishes. i am rather complusive about that... ask my roommates.. i do it instantly after i eat) and no fucking worries.... i never thought that it could be this good. i just thought, well, damian and i will just stick together.. but then i went to new york and i met you guys and girls and now i have countless best friends.. i just keep meeting more and more good, loving and caring people.. i just can;t stand it.... AHHHHHH!!!! i hope that more of us can hang out the next time.. maybe we should plan something for essence or something.. trance and all that weekend.. like TEK 9 says. it is just a dream... but it is becoming reality. i thought i could never, ever be this happy in my life. i thought, it would go so so, but shit, i had never had anything better.. it just seems that the more times we hook up it gets better and better.. this is the << DOPE STUFF >> and i seriously think that if it happens through the computer, at least for me, IT WAS MEANT TO BE. this refers to my friendships with mike brown, damian higgins, taylor deupree, john adams, and the rest.... as well as us going to the ne-raves party and staying at laura's (i wish we would have just stayed at your house instead of storm, we would have heard a better selection of music [damian would have had the hook up on the breakbeat tip] and it wouldn't have wasted our time...) and also just the the equipment we have sold and bought, the mailing lists, the friendships, and most importantly, the love that i have found by chance in leah reich... i am madly in love with all of you.. this is so fucking crazy, to be compelled to move from your home and be with your friends because you love them so much (taylor, we must be twins because you took the words out of my mind) ...never, never would this had happened at any other time in our lives... the combination of us finding old equipment to do a live set, and to play so much GOOD music on turntables, and to "talk" to each other and just fall in love with your friends from only interaction on a computer or phone i want to send this post to apple, and UNIX, and NCSA, and everyone in the world who has ever had anything remotely to do with technological advancements of our lifes.. just think of another few years when we can interact b -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: yet more from my 303 computer controlled brain Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:51:11 EST sorry, i fucked up and hit a wrong key but i was saying that just think of when we will see each other on only the computer? virtual hugs and kisses and banana pancakes and just hanging out, music... taylor/john--if we could take the vibe around us and send into a DSP board randomly picking the LFO rates and VCF settings, as well as the tempo and midi notes and gate times... there is no better music than that... it is in our brains... in virtual reality we could just grab the sounds from inside our head and let everyone hear it.. to send it everywhere... it is a small world, after all. being so close in heart yet so far in distance just makes us tighter altogether.. fuck the rest of my description of saturday. i think you all know how i feel now.. I LOVE YOU ALL OF YOU sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:08:41 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Camper Hey everyone. Camper just wanted to let everyone know that he's been a geek all along, even before it was cool and trendy. Camper. Geek. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: yet more from my 303 computer controlled brain Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:51:11 EST sorry, i fucked up and hit a wrong key but i was saying that just think of when we will see each other on only the computer? virtual hugs and kisses and banana pancakes and just hanging out, music... taylor/john--if we could take the vibe around us and send into a DSP board randomly picking the LFO rates and VCF settings, as well as the tempo and midi notes and gate times... there is no better music than that... it is in our brains... in virtual reality we could just grab the sounds from inside our head and let everyone hear it.. to send it everywhere... it is a small world, after all. being so close in heart yet so far in distance just makes us tighter altogether.. fuck the rest of my description of saturday. i think you all know how i feel now.. I LOVE YOU ALL OF YOU sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:45:35 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (photographic material) Subject: Re: yet more from my 303 computer controlled brain Now that I'm actually at a terminal where I can geek , unhindered for hours at a time on end (I'm sitting at MIT's lovely project athena.. a place where I always forget the door code) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Live from Geek Mecca Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 18:23:44 -0500 From: Andrew.S.Wright@williams.edu Misreading "Geek mecca" as "Greek Mecca", I had a thought I thought you might appreciate. How 'bout a rave(underground) on/in the parthenon. A little far fetched, but one can dream can't one... Andrew (Busy geeking ConLaw before moving on to Neuroscience, going to be a late night again!) ------------------------------------------------------------------- 93asw@williams.edu awright@mindvox.phantom.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: drugs & raves From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:06:00 EST Well, I, too, have a FOAF who has tried both X and acid at raves. He didn't think X and raves mixed too well, at least not X and dancing, because he couldn't feel much of anything while he was dancing and preferred just to sit and feel the carpet, sort of a waste of a rave. Similarly, on acid, he felt like he was witnessing the most intense experience of his life (which he was), but he felt really hot, and was irritated that he could not dance very well. He's glad that he's tried both drugs at raves, but when he does indulge in such things, prefers more peaceful settings. And he enjoys raves best when he's dead sober. That's my FOAF... And TekGuru: Acid at a MALL? My FOAF couldn't conceive of anything WORSE! Whenever he drops acid in a public urban location, he gets sort of depressed with how everyone is not smiling and not acknowledging each other's existence. But that's just my FOAF... --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: love r*** peace where am i? From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:19:42 EST Reading all these wonderful accounts of Laura's party and the mostly-NY cybercrowd makes me feel so lonely down here in D.C. I have yet to experience a truely great rave. The only transcendance that has been achieved for me at a rave is sort of a huge power rush when a good DJ is playing really good hardcore for a long time. I've yet to have a love rush at a rave. Have I been going to all the wrong ones? Everywhere I look I see ravers espousing peace, happiness, and acceptance, and yet whenever I go to a rave it's all too much like a club, with a few exceptions floating around. If a ne-raves rave would be anything like what you all have been describing, I would be there IN A SECOND. I sure hope raves haven't died before I've had a chance to truely experience their proper vibe! Can anyone suggest upcoming raves or promoters whose raves seem to be closer to this vibe than the nonstop hardcore of Catastrophic and DefCon? Also, is anyone from D.C. into this type of thing at all? I didn't see any ne-ravers at Flintstone, although they apparently were there. Please tell me I'm not alone in a sea of hardcore and stone-cold glares! Also, someone asked: I'm seventeen. Who's the youngest ne-raver? :-) --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:03:53 AST From: Q8AH000 Subject: re: love r*** peace where am i? Well, I would definitely recommend the raves in Portland put on by the people who did Pure, Crusade, Sky-High... They have all been great, especially the last one. Happy music, happy people, even happy cops. Generally a great vibe. The next one is DEEP on Jan.23. Check Rave-O-Matic for details. Hope to see lots of ne-ravers there. I got a chance to meet John at the last one, and hope to meet more of the people on the list. It's great to be able to put faces with all these names. Mel-E-Mel [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: missing cassette tape Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:17:26 EST > > >check your bags... Charles is missing a tape that has Das EFX on one > >side and Boogie Down Productions on the other. We were seriously > >missing it on the ride home... > > holy cow, another fellow netter who likes hip hop and some classic rap? > i didn't know there was such a thing as a person who was into both > techno and hip hop/rap. i thought i was the only weird one. dude! techno and hip hop are one and the same, almost. they are made almost exactly the same way, with the same beats and equipment. of course techno tends to be less soulful and a lot faster, but musically the styles are very compatible. BDP is the << DOPE STUFF >> (to use a todd phrase :)) by far. i am into hip hop, techno (all forms), ambient, even some pop stuff too like chris isaak and debbie gibson (two of todds favorites hahahaha (don't worry it is funny believe me))... i have things like the smiths and def leppard and tears for fears and duran duran and pet shop boys and depeche mode and information society and i even like ozzy osbourne's last album a lot. i like led zep and inxs and erasure and ocean blue and charlatans. i love shoegazer stuff like mbv, ride, curve, slowdive, and anything on the creation label. i just got bela lugosi is dead by bauhaus a couple weeks ago as well as kiss you back by digital underground. i have public enemy, brian eno, front 242, and the klf all on the same shelf. i like orchestral stuff like david byrne's the forest and ennio morricone's the mission soundtrack. of course i looooooooooooooove techno and i looooooooooooooove ambient stuff (especially the orb, ambient klf, and tangerine dream). oh yeah i love pink floyd also. did i leave anything out? barry manilow! (hiya pete) no i don't like barry, scratch that. go away, moby, can't you see i'm busy? Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:12:27 -0500 From: Donato Subject: techno&hipHop > > >check your bags... Charles is missing a tape that has Das EFX on one > >side and Boogie Down Productions on the other. We were seriously > >missing it on the ride home... > > holy cow, another fellow netter who likes hip hop and some classic rap? > i didn't know there was such a thing as a person who was into both > techno and hip hop/rap. i thought i was the only weird one. -dude! techno and hip hop are one and the same, almost. they are made -almost exactly the same way, with the same beats and equipment. of -course techno tends to be less soulful and a lot faster, but musically -the styles are very compatible. BDP is the << DOPE STUFF >> (to use a -todd phrase :)) by far. word, man! techno = rave = good vibes (well, it should anyway) hiphop = knowledge spread the knowledge-vibe! funny thing, i was listening to BDP when i read the original post, and it IS the "DOPE STUFF" ! but hey, man, we all listen to what we want, wear what we want, and take whatever drugs we want (or don't), and we don;t judge each other by these facts! that's the beauty of it. keep doin whut ya like! donato :-) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:19:55 -0500 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: Re: yet more from my 303 computer controlled brain I know. It's scary. It's also exactly what happened with the Samuel Project/AppleLink PE before it went public and got yucky... there were incredible relationships formed, it was a substantial force in my life and relationships for quite some time. Scary. I wonder why? Is it something inherant in the media, that lets us meet people without the constraints of physical appearence and surroundings? It's certainly a very pure form of contact, and I think many of us are starved for something that... real... Nina, who has always loved geeks. Quote from a friend: "Gee, Nina, you're the only one I've ever met who'd have a book called _Emerald Embrace_ on the shelf next to _Assembly Language Programming for the 6502_..." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:35:31 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Subject: I HATE YOU ALL *YOU* I HATE EVERYONE ON THE NE-RAVES! I DONT WANT NO QUEER BOY TODD SINES OR TAYLOR DEUPREE HUGGING ME! I DONT GET ALL THIS HUG HUG KISS KISS SHIT! I LIKE NE-RAVES BECAUSE I CAN LEARN ABOUT COOL GROUPS LIKE THE MOVEMENT AND I DONT LIKE NONE OF YOU TELLING THAT YOU LOVE MY BUTT AND EVERYTHING. SO KEEP IT IN THE CLOSET OKAY!?!?!!?!?! DAMIN "STRAIGHT AS FUCK" HIGGINS PS : AND CAMPER LOOKS WEIRD WITH BLUE HAIR PPS: I am bored so i thought i would post this. Just a joke. You guys are cool. Love you all ;) especially Ted Schwantzky! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: Re: FOAF...OAF...OAF... Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:52:26 -0500 (EST) well... to add to these lovely FOAF posts I have a FOAF who has taken LSD on a number of occasions at raves. This FOAF almost always had a great time on it for some reason, and never experienced any of these bad "side effects" that people have told her about. My FOAF also agrees with englis@rpi.edu in that "LSD seems to be more psychologically damaging if not done in the right set/setting" because this FOAF did have one bad time on the stuff when she was at a rave with her boyfriend (who she didnt want to be with and she was trying to break up with him and he wouldnt get the hint and he followed her to the rave and just because she did two hits of acid he said, oh, i have to be just like her and do two hits too...) aaaaah...enuff ranting ... but this FOAF has quit taking acid for the time being because when she sat down and thought about it, it was really quite unnatural for her to just pop in this little slip of paper and go fucking insane dancin and chillin all nite on like no sleep, no food, and well, at least a little bit of water...but she did enjoy the funky visuals :) just you kids who do it, take care of yourselves :) and have fun fun fun !!! my FOAF is now used to going to raves straight again, but still gets all trippy and trancey with the right music and the right vibe ;) ok ... thats my post on this subject...im sure you are all thrilled :) hee hee becca waiting for dante to take her brain on one of those trance-a-delic trips :) heheheheh ps: laura, are you coming up for that then???? :) hmmmm i wonder... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:07:58 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ this is odd }== Howdy: I've been on this list fer a week and I came across something that just may fit. An absolutely bizarre friend of mine (who has no Network access) has asked me to help him research toys... The only clue he has given me is the following message. Read it or toss it. If you have ideas, send them to me (tt) at: tibbetts@hsi.com I have heard y'all talkin' about R*** toys...I think this may be what my friend is looking for, though I don't know what a rave toy is cause I ain't nevir been to one... {{ although I plan to go to the faux-rave in NH,CT }} {{ this weekend...will there be a smart bar? }} tt =============================================================== ************************************************************** The Pixies of DoodleButt are Seeking Advice About Sence Toys Things Like: ^^^^^^^^^^^^ rain sticks for your ears silver jiggle balls for the touch electric mind goggles for the eyes smell-o-rama machines for the nose holograms for the tongue Where can we get this type of toy? (catalogs, companies, stores) What are some of your favorite fun feelie-touchie-squeezy thingies? we are bored send to: tibbetts@hsi.com ********************************************************************* They say, "Yo" to the techno-shaman (to she) the pSychic nEt Godmother. "Burry us with her," say the PixiEs. ********************************************************************* [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: gee. damian! you suck like a mutha fucka too! all your clothing that too big for you LITTLE ass. and you.. Schwantzky! what a lameo! xo >>taylor.trance.device [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:02:02 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: I HATE YOU ALL >I DONT GET ALL THIS HUG HUG KISS KISS SHIT! that's cos moby loves *me* more than he loves you!! >I DONT LIKE NONE OF YOU TELLING THAT YOU LOVE MY BUTT AND EVERYTHING. ok, forget your damn butt- just give me your records... :) >DAMIN "STRAIGHT AS FUCK" HIGGINS poor you :) >PPS: I am bored so i thought i would post this. what, no one famous has called lately??? i love you all, too- except for damian cos he has COOTIES! e va n trEE o n e r a v e n a t i o n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs / \ || breakbeat for thought [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:33:12 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: ** THE NE-RAVES RAVE ** OK, NE-RAVERS, YOU ASKED FOR IT, Rave=Unity Productions and ne-raves presents: "NE-RAVES UNDERGROUND" This is what you've all been waiting for, a true underground party with the right music and the right people. I've secured the Freight Yard for a night in the end of February (around the 26th). I want all of your involvement on putting together a DJ line up and live acts, taking care of promotion (i.e. making sure we get the crowd we want), and getting there the night of the event (setting up transpo, etc.). YOU CAN ALL BE PART OF GETTING THIS THING OFF THE GROUND. We need to discuss how we're going to handle tickets, costs of DJ's (if we get anyone who wants to be paid), and a million other details that's gonna have to go into this. We can't have the place for free, but I think we'll get the place for a lot cheaper than any outside people would. No place is ever going to be free and this place is equipped with everything we'd need--we don't need to get a sound system, a smart bar, bathrooms. How big should we make it? What are we going to do about security? The club's capacity is 600, but if the owner gets the chill-out room done soon, it will add another 300 people. LOOK AT A MAP OF EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA FOR ALLENTOWN, PA. That's where the Freight Yard is at. It is very easy to get to. From Rt. 22, which runs east or west through Allentown (and about 20 miles later into New Jersey), you get off at MacArthur Rd. South (also called Rt 145 south or 7th st). When you get to the Monument in the middle of the road you turn left. You go through 3 stop lights and 20 feet before the fourth one, you make a left. You make the next immediate left into the alleyway and the entrance is at the end of the building on the right. THE CLUB IS COOL AND THE SOUND SYSTEM IS LOUD. A very urban location: it's in an old warehouse in a back alley! Talk about underground. There aren't big flashy signs or any other super-commercial thing about the club. The inside has got painted grey brick walls and a wooden "gymnasium" type floor. There is a smart bar, pool tables, bathrooms (gotta have those (better than Port-A-Pots)), and soon a chill-out room. COME CHECK IT OUT ANY FRIDAY IF YOU LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH AND WANT TO TALK TO ME MORE ABOUT IT. The club's open on Friday's from 10pm-2am, but if you are coming out, call me, and we'll meet ahead of time. The owner saw the Ne-raves "rave-o-matic" (which I graciously had printed out for a friend) and he thought it sounded pretty cool. He can't sell tickets at the door since it will be running till like 8am (otherwise by law he'd have to make sure it was closed by 2am) so we need to take care of the ticket issue. THIS IS IT! NO MORE WISHING, LET'S MAKE IT A REALITY! LET'S DO OUR OWN THING! Respond immediately. I am going home from school on the 23 of December and won't be able to check my e-mail again until Jan 17th so let's get moving on this! R a v e , p e a c e , & u n i t y, MARS P.S. After Winter Break, I'll have a catalog of Spring and Summer stuff of all the "Direct from MARS" stuff, e-mail me your address so I can send you one if you want to see one... P.S.S. Laura, I need your phone number so i can get hold of you over break. Bye. =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: FOAF...OAF...OAF... Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 0:51:00 EST I too, have a FOAF who's done LSD a time or two. The first time he did it was in 1981 (he's an old fart like me :-). He spent most of the night watching his keys float midair in the light cast by the single green bulb in the room. Normally he has no depth perception due to an eye problem, but Lordy did he have it that night! Pink Floyd's _Wish You Were Here_ still has special memories for him. As for the other time he did it, well, he tells me that you haven't lived until you've done one of those water-park wave-pool thingies while tripping. He speculates that he would have liked psilocybin better, though. -Ed "We were supposed to use drugs to expand our minds, not to escape reality!" -Robby Krieger [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:16:15 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: ** THE NE-RAVES RAVE ** GO FOR IT!!!!!! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:27:05 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: ** THE NE-RAVES RAVE ** ne-ravers....lets not miss this oppurtunity. If this is gonna work then we must all plan ahead and do our best to make this an incredible occassion for all. ACT NOW! The time is right for ne-raves.... - Fluid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: ** THE NE-RAVES RAVE ** Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 1:41:12 EST I believe I speak for the entire Ohio mw/ne-raves crew when I say we will all be there. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:45:01 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: ne-raves rave. is this an ne-raves ONLY rave? (plus random friends perhaps).. just curious.. we've got some DJs on the circuit here.. i think we should definitely have mr. breakbeat phatfresh dieselSchwantz play his records..who else djs? dang. i forget these things.. oh, but of course.. the prestigious tranceacieeed DJ Slip of GrooveNet fame...he should spin.. (ed?).. there's a few bands out there too..my toxic beatbox stuff..LUNIK with john.. mr303 out in ohio jams the krushin breakbeat..todd sines.. body release.. do any of you mix or buy your own smart drink stuff? it would be cool to have EVERYTHING (smartbar, music, djs..promotion(?)..) done by ne-ravers.. .. i agree with what people have been saying so far.. we've got the space.. and we should act on it .. and not let this Slip by...then, in the spring or summer we can throw a bigphatass rave open to the "public"...!!! show people what a little (well, a LOT in our case) love and unity can do! >>taylor.prototype.loop.machine look to the future to shape the future... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:32:12 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: is this the future of techno?(pop I was looking through the latest edition of SPIN magazine, and they had a some talk about the future of techno in a article about what will happen with music in 93. Here is an excerpt: There will also be a marriages of hip hop and techno (something that the breakb eat-heavy British subgenere "hardcore" has already strived for), and techno and industrial, and techno and rock as well. But while few people are still "raving" about it-most notably Rick Rubin, who has hooked up with Belgium's Antler Subway label and, according to Def American's Marc Geiger, "thinks it's the new punk, the new rap"-most feel, understandably, that any genre of music that gets a Swatch-sponsored showcase at Macey's is yesterday's news. There might be a few watered-down major-label hits, and a lot of mediocre, pointless remixes of nontechno songs, but techno should be more of a trace element than a genre. "I imagine it will be influencing rock groups the same way Happy Mondays and the Stone Roses were influenced by the slower kind of rave music," says British writer Simon Reynolds. A similar fusion could happen with ambient house, "music that people can dance to if they want, but also live to," Caroline's Brian Long says. It is interesting that Rick Rubin is getting involved in techno. They mention about Rubin: "The megabucks producer (DefAmerican president) recently signed up Belgium's Antler-Subway roster-home of such artists as Lords of Acid, Praga Khan, Channel X, and Jade-for a new Def American spin-off label, White Lbls, set to conquer the world of techno dance music. Expect White Lbls' first full-length releases-techno LP's from Belgium's D.O. and Rubin's personal find, Messiah, in the coming months." I dont know what to think about Rick Rubin. In rap back in the mid-to-late 80's he was influental, but I dont really like the wand of any producer. R&B for example where the producer is king, which stamps out different sounds, making the music rather boring (i still like it though) well, anyways, any comments? doug [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: oops Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 1:53:06 EST i apologize for resending mars' post to ne-raves... one of those elm quirks . .. can't bounce a msg from ne-raves to mw-raves without getting a copy back on ne-raves i guess. strange.. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: David M Miller Subject: Re: ** THE NE-RAVES RAVE ** Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 1:54:49 EST > > I believe I speak for the entire Ohio mw/ne-raves crew when I say > we will all be there. > > Mike Brown > _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient > Yes, we will be there, en masse, and hopefully, I'll be able to borrow a video camera to help preserve the event for posterity. (Shouldn't you be sleeping, Mike?)(Or is Moby keeping you awake?) _ -Dav -- dvmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "Given the pace of technology, I propose we leave math to the machines and go play outside." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: ** THE NE-RAVES RAVE ** Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 2:05:47 EST I have the following to offer: Twelve-hundred 'tables Eleven kilos of vinyl Ten-band equalizer Nine-input mixer Eight-rpm mirrorball Seven types of techno Six-eighty cartridge Five hundred watts Four colored pinspots Three-milliwatt laser Two blacklight lamps And an hour of ambient/trance -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:38:03 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: *** NE-RAVES RAVE *** WOW. That was good timing. :) OKay, anyone who thinks I should stick to my coast and that I am a pompous ass hit "d" now. This is mainly directed to whoever is planning it, but I think it might be of interest to all... Okay, first - there needs to be one person in charge of coordination. _One_ person. Since mars is the guy who got the site, I think he would be the logical choice. They should be willing to respond to any suggestions anyone makes, but they should be the one who decides exact details. Just MHO. But everyone should help somehow. Second - decide what your philosophy behind the event should be money-wise. Do you think everyone should be willing to do it for free? Or should people be compensated for their time? The first option makes things a lot easier to plan and makes the organizers less worried about making money on the event. There are some things that should be paid for, like, a video projector rental or extra bass bins or something, but try and think about how much you can get away with with entirely home-made things. A lot of this will be based on how much you want to charge. $5? $10? $20? Third - make a call out to ALL NE-RAVERS asking if they could contribute and if they can what they could bring. This will make a big difference between a true "ne-raves rave" and simply "a rave thrown by a few ne-ravers". Everyone should feel like they have a stake in contributing. As for DJ's - don't promise everyone and their mom a slot. You probably only will have 9 hours to fit people in. That sounds like a lot, but that means only 4 or 5 DJ's could have adequate time to play (most DJ's, in my experience at least, really hate to play less than 2 hours). As for getting "Big Name" DJ's - I think you have more than enough talent on ne-raves to have a wonderful time, but you might want to consider a few larger people for two reasons: one, pulling power (if this'll be for more than ne-ravers & friends - 600-900 people is a LOT) and two, having a big DJ play at YOUR party would just be too fucking cool. :) Maybe you can talk one of the not-so-HAHDCOAH DJ's into coming for not too much money, if any at all. NE-Raves badges for everyone! Hee hee. What else... that's about all I can think of at this point. Except you have a fun journey ahead of you. :) If plans look good I'll definitely consider coming out (writing it on my calendar right now). I need to come out anyways: Moby's having trouble with Windows and he doesn't understand me over the phone when I say "icon". ;) GOGOGOGOGO!!! Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:02:27 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: love r*** peace where am i? >Can anyone suggest upcoming raves or promoters whose raves seem to be >closer o this vibe than the nonstop hardcore of Catastrophic and DefCon? Journey to the MilkyRave in Baltimore seemed to be much trancier. The Atomic Vibe group seems to be more into trancy techno, maybe those who went to Happiness might want to add to this. They have something they are working on for January. And I think Catastrophic is actually becoming less hardcore...Raves R' Us was really braindead. I thought the Masquerave was mucho trancier. Not so the Quaker Rave though... And speaking of Baltimore, does anyone know about 'Earth Rave' that is supposed to be happening this weekend?? -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:22:00 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Earth Rave in Balto <<>> From: Zach Eitzen What : Earth Rave When : Sat. Dec. 19 DJs : Scott Henry, Bobble, Wash, DJ Who and some others I think. How Much : $10 Apparently at least some of the proceeds go to environmental causes. I like the planet pretty well so I have no problem with this since $10 is a pretty good price anyway. There will be Intellabeams and the tix will go on sale on the dad y of the event at Modern Music, tho the guy (Dave Hicks) said that he they might go on sale a day early at Music Now. The rave will go from 10pm-sunrise and the phone # for more info is (410) 539-3542. One more thing: Dave said that this rave definitely won't get busted because it is taking place in a Balt. city location rather than a Balt. Co. location. He said that the last one was probably "cleared out" because it was in Balt. Co. and it was the 4th or 5th rave held in the same warehouse. This rave is being put on by Idea productions (or something like that) so anyone knowledgable about the Balt. scene can comment on prior raves put on by these people. Scott Henry and Wash are excellent and Bobble is pretty good so this definitely has potential. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: love r*** peace where am i? > >And I think Catastrophic is actually becoming less hardcore...Raves R' Us >was really braindead. I thought the Masquerave was mucho trancier. >Not so the Quaker Rave though... I didn't go to the Masquerave but boy was I impressed at the Quaker Rave when I stepped in the extra room with lasers and all trance and tribal! I did not want to go back. Best rave I've been to so far....the guys at Catastrophic put on a good show. I will be at the New Years' Eve rave! Sporting my ne-raves badge and phat gear..yuk, yuk. Spot me out, Hook me up! Signing off on the net for winter break, adieu BriAn [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:44 EST From: EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES Subject: A wish... To all the neravers taking exams now... Good luck! Don't stress! I just took the most hellish exam and dang am I glad it's over! :) To those who are out of school... Aren't you so relieved to not have to take another stupid exam ever again? And to everyone... Have a happy Christmas, Hannukah, New Year, Chinese New Year, and Kwanzaa (spelling?) To those going to Venus on Thursday, I'll be there, assuming Shiple is still going to be kind and generous and give me a ride back to the convent- And to those going to the new year's rave in D.C., I may be there as well. Cheers :I Tin a P.S. Camper once told me a joke concerning my fave tune.. "Why should you never go out with a Narramine?" "Because 'they feel what they wanna feel.'" ... I thought it was clever at the time.... ;) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:05:46 EST From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Catastrophic From bb2j+@andrew.cmu.edu Wed Dec 16 03:32:40 1992 Return-Path: Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu) by mcs.drexel.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01876; Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:32:38 EST Received: from ANDREW.CMU.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:24:35 -0500 Received: by andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu; Wed, 16 Dec 92 03:24:31 EST Received: via switchmail; Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.0.1.873.MacMail.0.9.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs15.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:22:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: love r*** peace where am i? Cc: In-Reply-To: <199212160802.AA11651@rac2.wam.umd.edu> References: <199212160802.AA11651@rac2.wam.umd.edu> Status: RO > >And I think Catastrophic is actually becoming less hardcore...Raves R' Us >was really braindead. I thought the Masquerave was mucho trancier. >Not so the Quaker Rave though... I didn't go to the Masquerave but boy was I impressed at the Quaker Rave when I stepped in the extra room with lasers and all trance and tribal! I did not want to go back. Best rave I've been to so far....the guys at Catastrophic put on a good show. I will be at the New Years' Eve rave! Sporting my ne-raves badge and phat gear..yuk, yuk. Spot me out, Hook me up! Signing off on the net for winter break, adieu BriAn I definatly am going to be there... I like Catastropic events too... Hopefully the will continue with their trend of getting better... and maybe they will vary their location a little bit, the place near pepsi is nice, but location variation is always nice... Anyway, I hope Catastrophic doesn't go the way of STORM. Right now, they throw a great rave where there is still a good vibe, its still inventive, and you don't feel "cheated" even after spending $15 which puts it at/near the high end of rave tix prices. Oh well... I'll be there this NY Eve, and I'll probably be at Earth Rave too! uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) PS I dunno what I can do to help, but I'm all for the NE-Raves rave and let me know if you guys need anything. I MIGHT be able to get a message to Josh Winks (DJ Wink) but I can't be positive that I can. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:36:09 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in our angelhood) Subject: re: love r*** peace where am i? >Well, I would definitely recommend the raves in Portland put on by >the people who did Pure, Crusade, Sky-High... > >They have all been great, especially the last one. > >Happy music, happy people, even happy cops. Generally a great vibe. > >The next one is DEEP on Jan.23. Check Rave-O-Matic for details. Kris is an amazing person/guy/all around dood. He runs all the portland raves with help from friends; They're all a great bunch of people and he's secured an amazing space for this and future ravesd. GO! -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:47:36 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in our angelhood) Subject: Re: ne-raves rave. I say we hit 'em with a full band line up, as well as music... but wouldn't it be something if we played live all night, switching off bands and whatnot, with limited DJing? -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 04:53:44 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (carolyn's fingers) Subject: Re: ** THE NE-RAVES RAVE ** I've the following to offer for ne-raves... One Live Band Two PA speakers Three keyboards Four hundred Watts a channel (oh hell, I can't count anymore. ed, it was cute :) ) Lasers, Ideas, Technical support, Sound engineering, Computer controlled lighting, Contacts, etcetc.. you name it. -- John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:44:04 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: ne-raves rave. ChrisBeaumont (ccat@netcom) has the smart drink mixes. What about DJ trEE and Mars. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 92 09:09:57 EDT From: Subject: CYBERTRIBE GATHERING The Schwantz master has to spin. And john, taylor(.808.909.101) and sines have to do another live improvision ! And get in there for the trancy stuff. And body release is definately <> (sines '92) I'm hip to a cat named chris out in CA that sells all the smart drink stuff. I've got one of his catalogs. I'm sure I could be Smartender. As long as I don't sample too much :) Are we gonna promo this or not ? CYBERTRIBE WARRIOR Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 92 09:16:37 EDT From: Subject: Re: ** THE NE-RAVES RAVE ** ------------- > I have the following to offer: > > Twelve-hundred 'tables > Eleven kilos of vinyl > Ten-band equalizer > Nine-input mixer > Eight-rpm mirrorball > Seven types of techno > Six-eighty cartridge > Five hundred watts > Four colored pinspots > Three-milliwatt laser > Two blacklight lamps > And an hour of ambient/trance And thats only a count of what he has TODAY ! From what I've seen from our djslip - he could have more and/or better stuff at anytime ! Hell, he had a mixer that was definetly great, BUT he goes out (while we're at lauras/shopping) and scoops up a STATE O' THE ART mixer that is incredible. Personally I like the 'eight-rpm mirrorball' :) CYBERTRIBE WARRIOR Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 92 09:20:42 EDT From: Subject: MARS has my vote. We have to nail down ONE person to co-ordinate. And like Brian says it's a logical choice since mars found the location. I also vote for Laura to be the Hostess-with-the-Mostess ! :) We gotta get on this asap, cause time will surely fly. Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:53 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: =={ this is odd }== There is a cool store in my mall here (Pentagon City, VA) called Think Big. I believe there are other locations up in NY, too. They have fun things like huge toothbrushes, toothpaste tubes, records, pads, tobasco bottles, etc. You might find something fun there. Or go check out FAO Schwartz.. they have quite a selection of just about everything. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:53 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Earth Rave in Balto >One more thing: Dave said that this rave definitely won't get busted because it >is taking place in a Balt. city location rather than a Balt. Co. location. He >said that the last one was probably "cleared out" because it was in Balt. Co. >and it was the 4th or 5th rave held in the same warehouse. This rave is being >put on by Idea productins (or something like that) so any1 knowledgable about >the Balt. scene can comment on prior raves put on by these people. Scott Henry >and Wash are excellent and Bobble is pretty good so this definitely has >potential. I just wanted to point out, too, that after the Happiness rave got cleared out, a bunch of people (500+?) came back and raved until morning. I got there just before 5am and it was going strong. Nice location, too. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 10:22 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: love r*** peace where am i? > Reading all these wonderful accounts of Laura's party and the >mostly-NY cybercrowd makes me feel so lonely down here in D.C. Actually, we aren't mostly-NY. Here is the geographic distrbution of ravers that were at my place this weekend: Boston/Western MA (4 hour drive): Becca, Donato, John Pittsburgh/Ohio (8 hour drive): Todd, Mike, Charles, Damian, Tareq, Golden Boy Connecticut (2 hour drive): Lionel, Eric, Beth Eastern Pennsylvania (2 hour drive): Mars, Evan 'Way upstate, New York (hours and hours): Pat New York City/New Jersey: me, Ed, Taylor, Chuck Only 1/5 of the people were from New York. There's bunches of ne-ravers in your area, and they're great people (some of them were at a party I held in October. You should really do your best to get hooked up with Rob Campenau (I know I spelled that wrong, sorry), Gil (Digital Druid), Thomas (Resident Technoshamen), Mike (from UMD-Fission Power), Suzy (who is starting dc-raves in the near future), Eric McCormick, and the rest. Watch the new ne-raves feature, "Hook-Up-O-Matic" (published on Thursdays/Fridays by Shalako) to find out how to find these people. Another way to meet these people would be to try to get to know them via the net (i.e. some email communication) before heading to a rave. You can work out a non-rave meeteing place (like a coffee house or computer lab or somethig). This will increase your chances of actually finding them and will also give you a good opportunity to get to know them a bit before facing the sensory overload of a rave. And of course, you can head up here (NYC) to visit!! >Have I been going to all the wrong ones? Not necessarily. It depends on what kinds of techno really get you going, and it also gets better the more people you meet. >Can >anyone suggest upcoming raves or promoters whose raves seem to be closer >to this vibe than the nonstop hardcore of Catastrophic and DefCon? A bunch of us who were at my place last weekend are looking at going to ESSENCE on Long Island in January. The DJ list is AMAZING if you are into trance. Check out this week's Rave-O-Matic (it came out yesterday) for details. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 10:48 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: FOAF stuff + smart nutrient experiences More FOAF stuff: My FOAF has taken both acid and X at raves (but never at the same time). He was a bit wierded out by the acid at first (and had many of the same complaints about being overloaded and not really able to dance), but says he's learning how to trip effectively. The last time he tripped he said he felt like he was in control (i.e. "had the brain cell") all night. I didn't even realize he was tripping until he told me (but then I'm pretty oblivious about such things anyway). X-ing, he says, makes him calm and relaxed and happy, and once the desire to hug everyone wears off a bit, has absolutely no problem grooving and enjoying the music and dancing all night. It seems to me, from what he says, that both drugs can be fun and effective at raves if you just remember to take care of yourself both mentally and physically while you're doing them. The same goes for doing a rave "straight" -- as long as you eat well before and after, drink lots of liquids, and sit down and rest a bit when your body starts screaming at you and (most importantly) go home and go to sleep when it is over you will be fine. Now for some first-hand experience: I would usually look and feel HORRIBLE after a rave -- the toll of dancing all night made me very pale and zombie-ish (and since I wasn't taking drugs you can't blame it on that). Then Ed started explaining smart nutrients (amino acids, vitamins, and the like) to me. So now when I leave for a rave I take the following: 1 tablet Amino Fuel (huge disgusting horse pill, but it contains just about every useful amino acid you can think of). Amino Fuel was created for atheletes to use before workouts. You can get it in places like Nature Food Centers and GNC. 1 capsule Brain Pep -- this gives more aminos like choline and some important B-vitamins to your brain. Makes you think sharply, clearly. 1 capsule ephedra -- a natural herbal stimulant, like caffiene but without the jitters. I repeat this dosage about every 4 our 5 hours at the rave, but not to exceed a total of 2 more doses for the entire night. I do not take smart drinks on top of this (unless they're free) since I'm already loaded up with plenty of smart stuff. Since I've started doing this my rave experience has changed. I feel GREAT while raving and look and feel GREAT the next day. I'm not so wired from caffiene and the general excitement of it all that I can't sleep the next day (this used to be a problem for me). Someone I know tried this combination while tripping (or was it X-ing, I don't recall) and said that it eliminated the after-effects (whatever they may be). One more thing -- in-between raves I take a multi-vitamin every day, plus 3 capsules of L-Argenine + L-Ornithine. I'm taking the amino acids because they crank up your metabolism. I've had a very hard time loosing weight, mainly because I screwed up my metabolism when I was in high school by going on a series of stupid crash diets while training on the swim team, but now the combination of dancing 3 days a week (2 hours of ballroom dancing plus one night of raving) + the aminos is making a difference. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:37 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Ne-Raves badge order form + Re: MARS has my vote. Golden Boy wrote: >We have to nail down ONE person to co-ordinate. And like Brian says >it's a logical choice since mars found the location. I agree totally. As a suggestion -- anyone with ideas or offers of help should mail them to Mars directly so he doesn't miss them or lose them. That way he can summarize what is going on and post reports to us here on the net, rather than each of us trying to keep zillions of pieces of email straight. Mars' email address is: mhv0@Lehigh.edu >I also vote >for Laura to be the Hostess-with-the-Mostess ! :) (blush). I'd love to play hostess -- I think it would be really great and would set the tone of the party to have nice friendly people working the door (with someone with no neck or something close by for security reasons, but not omnipresent if you know what I mean). Becca and I did the door at BOLD II back in October in Worcester, and we had a fun time greeting people. We were smiling and hugging our friends, and we offered pixie sticks and mini-oreos to everyone who walked in. I feel that being happy and friendly the instant people walked in the door helped to create a good feeling among the ravers. Of course, I don't want to be stuck on the door all night . . . :-) A final note: If you want an ne-raves badge before the big night, you should mail me your order soon. I will collect orders until I have at least 20 (the minimum for me to get a discount on the lamination). When I have at least 20 I will laminate the badges and get them to you as quickly as possible. So, how long it takes you to get your badge depends on how quickly I collect 20+ orders. Right now I have only 5 orders. TO ORDER ------ Fill out the following form and send it to Laura La Gassa 218 Madison St. Apt. 1-S Hoboken, NJ 07030 Include a check or money order for $3.00 made out to me, or send cash. ALTERNATE ORDERING METHOD ------ Fill out the following form and hand it to me at a a rave, along with $3.00 (cash). There is a 95% chance I will be at the Loft in Boston this weekend. A lot of people at the Loft know me (if they draw a blank at first tell them you are looking for John's girlfriend). I don't know what I'll be wearing -- look in "Hook-Up-O-Matic" for details. There is a 100% chance I will be at Eric's pre-Tune Inn gathering and at the Toxic Beat Box show in New Haven on Saturday. Again, check "Hook-Up-O-Matic" when it comes out for details. Sorry, but purposes of my own personal sanity all email orders will be ignored. ----------------NE-RAVES--BADGE--ORDER--FORM---------------------------------- "real" name: ___________________________________________________ US mail address: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ name you like to be called: ____________________________________ email address: _________________________________________________ "net" name if you want to use one: _____________________________ ----------------NE-RAVES--BADGE--ORDER--FORM---------------------------------- Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Steven J. Subject: re: the PA ne-raves event Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 12:01:18 CST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] ->This is what you've all been waiting for, a true underground party with the ->right music and the right people. I've secured the Freight Yard for a night ->in the end of February (around the 26th). I want all of your involvement on ->putting together a DJ line up and live acts, taking care of promotion (i.e. ->making sure we get the crowd we want), and getting there the night of the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I might be opening myself up for major flames but doesn't this sort of defeat the purpose of raves? I've thought for a long time that the whole point was to get LOTS of people from LOTS of areas of society and have a good time regardless of what people are into/about. What does the above statement mean and what does it say about how people are starting to look at raves? Steve J. White ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:08 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: re: the PA ne-raves event Steven J says: >>From the cyberdeck of _Mars_... > >->I want all of your involvement on >->putting together a DJ line up and live acts, taking care of promotion (i.e. >->making sure we get the crowd we want), and getting there the night of the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >I might be opening myself up for major flames but doesn't this sort of >defeat the purpose of raves? I've thought for a long time that the whole >point was to get LOTS of people from LOTS of areas of society and have a >good time regardless of what people are into/about. What does the above >statement mean and what does it say about how people are starting to look at >raves? Well, I took Mars' statment to mean exactly what you were saying: to get the crowd we want to come all the way out to Allentown, which isn't exactly known as a raving metropolis, we need to go to extra effort -- we need to make sure we do what we can to get LOTS of people from LOTS of areas of society and LOTS of geographic areas to make the trek out there. He said something about having up to 600 guests. That would be cool, and will take some promotion. Otherwise it will just be whoever happens to be in the Allentown area, which might be fun but won't give that "true" rave vibe. I don't think Mars' statment says anything negative about how people are starting to look at raves. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:29:27 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: re: the PA ne-raves event >>From the cyberdeck of _Mars_... > >->This is what you've all been waiting for, a true underground party with the >->right music and the right people. I've secured the Freight Yard for a night >->in the end of February (around the 26th). I want all of your involvement on >->putting together a DJ line up and live acts, taking care of promotion (i.e. >->making sure we get the crowd we want), and getting there the night of the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >I might be opening myself up for major flames but doesn't this sort of >defeat the purpose of raves? I've thought for a long time that the whole >point was to get LOTS of people from LOTS of areas of society and have a >good time regardless of what people are into/about. What does the above >statement mean and what does it say about how people are starting to look at >raves? > > >Steve J. White steve, i think it says that we're sick of raves becoming more and more commercialized- i know i am, at least. at huge raves, you don't know anyone and the impersonality of it all can sometimes be a downer. with a small party/gathering such as this, we all *know* each other, we have connections, and we can become the ne-raves cyberTRIBE.... (mho) e va n trEE o n e r a v e n a t i o n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs / \ || breakbeat for thought [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:55:05 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: re: the PA ne-raves event > From aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu Wed Dec 16 13:08:21 1992 > ->making sure we get the crowd we want), and getting there the night of the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > I might be opening myself up for major flames but doesn't this sort of > defeat the purpose of raves? I've thought for a long time that the whole > point was to get LOTS of people from LOTS of areas of society and have a > good time regardless of what people are into/about. What does the above > statement mean and what does it say about how people are starting to look at > raves? If you don't wanna read some long-winded explaination of what I think about this, then press "delete" now... I believe the point he's trying to make is that we have people there that genuinely WANT to be there for the music, the vibe, and the people. I've had this argument a hundred times with friends and always come to that same conclusion. It's not like we're trying to be isolationists, but it is just a party, and generally when people have parties, they want to have a shared vibe. I would think that you'd want to be around people that share your interests that can give something to the community. I LOVE to bring new people to events. People who show a real interest in what's going on. Granted the following is a black and white example, but give me some slack...:) There are two kinds of NEWBIES at raves (yes, there are more than two, blah blah) a) People who heard about it somehow and are genuinely interested in finding out more about it, and b) People who hope they serve alcohol there and hope they can score on some weirdo raver guy/babe. I LOVE when A)'s are there. I hate when B)'s shatter my vibe. I think that what was meant was ANYONE who loves the music, the vibe, the people are certainly the people that we want there. thank you and goodnight. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 13:57:11 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: re: the PA ne-raves event > From epr0@Lehigh.EDU Wed Dec 16 13:55:17 1992 > i think it says that we're sick of raves becoming more and more > commercialized- i know i am, at least. at huge raves, you don't know anyone > and the impersonality of it all can sometimes be a downer. with a small > party/gathering such as this, we all *know* each other, we have connections, > and we can become the ne-raves cyberTRIBE.... (mho) Amen. Thanks for saying what I wanted to say, but with 1/3 the lines! ;) dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Raving up north Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:05:54 EST Hi everybody, Just joined this list ( i found out on alt.rave... which i had not read for several months), and i had about 25 messages this morning on top of my regular stuff (bpm, cyber, future etc...). Anyway, about the feb ne-rave,i'm affraid i cant go to Allentown, PA... New York is already 6 hours (on 87) from here. Allentown is about 2 hours (78) i would guess, so 16 hours of driving... that's a bit rough. Unless it was a 2 day thing... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 92 14:24:19 EDT From: Subject: Re: Raving up north > New York is already 6 hours (on 87) from here. Allentown is about 2 hours (78) ^^^^^^^ I wish ^^^^^^^ > i would guess, so 16 hours of driving... that's a bit rough. Unless it was ^^^^^^^^ Bwa ha ha ha ha....thats funny. Try 20+ From Cleveland. And I'll damn sure be there ! I don't care if I have to mainline coffee grounds and diet on expresso beans to stay awake. If you miss it, you're blowing it. Buy a bus ticket or something. Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: missing cassette tape Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:24:55 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I for one like Debbie Gibson--except not really her new stuff (but then again, I haven't heard it :)) Seriously, -John S. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:01:27 -0500 (EST) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: re: the PA ne-raves event I've finally made an attempt at catching up on all this mail I've just completed my hell's worth of exams (3 engineering 2 chemistry, guess what my major is!) to discover a very active discussion on a ne-raves event. It's funny that Allentown was picked or offered because when the idea was first suggested I thought Allentown would be a good location because it's central and original. Then it was generously offered. Laura brought up an interesting point - promotion. Do we want fliers etc. or should this be a word of mouth event. Some sort of flier with directions and info should be developed, but do we want this to be handed out at something like the Catastrophic New Years rave. The location might put people who are not particularly dedicated to the "scene" ( I don't really like that word,but it's the only one I can think of right now) . Personally I don't think we should try to make this a Big event. It won't necessarily be able to capture the atmosphere of Laura's parties, but I think we should aim for something somewhat intimate. I'm glad this discussion is going on now if it's going to be at the end of February - organization is key. I'm in Newark Delaware (right off I-95, first exit after maryland) If there is anything I can do to help , maybe promotion in Philly if we decide to do that, just mail me. I'm really looking forward to this. I think it could be really positive - we could help steer raves in a new direction - smaller and more personal. (Away from the deteriorating state of large ones like storm). I'll be gone for a month now so forgive me if anyone does write and I don't respond initially. I'll be back around Jan 17th. Fran. p.s. My birthday is on Feb 28th so for me the timing would be perfect. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Raving up north Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:50:26 EST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] This is of course doing 65 all the way (i have done Montreal-Boston in less than 5 hours once...). > > i would guess, so 16 hours of driving... that's a bit rough. Unless it was > ^^^^^^^^ > Bwa ha ha ha ha....thats funny. Try 20+ From Cleveland. And I'll damn sure > be there ! I don't care if I have to mainline coffee grounds and diet > on expresso beans to stay awake. If you miss it, you're blowing it. Buy > a bus ticket or something. I cant stand the bus... I went to my summer house and instead of 2 hours (it's 250 Km from montreal), it took 4 hours. Having said that, if i can get very cheap accomodation in Allentown, i'll go for sure (Laura made me a recommendation about going for more than one day to Allentown). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Raving up north... want to join? Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 14:58:27 EST I have posted to alt.rave some info on the rave scene around Montreal. Should i post it here also? Anyway, one info i didn't include: Sunday december 20th: Jingle rave at la Fac (Ste-Catherine and St-Hubert). 5$ Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Montreal's rave scene Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:16:07 EST So, here's a little list of points of interests in Montreal (re:raves): - each tuesday and saturday: techno-grave at foufounes electriques (87 Ste-Catherine street east) - each thursday and sunday: techno rave nights at La Fac (Ste-Catherine and St-Hubert) - each tuesday: ? at Paradise Garage (breakbeat techno and house) (382 Mayor) - each wednesday and saturday: Bigbang (deep house/dance/hi-nrg) each friday: Bigbang (trance. Well it's supposed to be...) (1400 Montcalm corner Ste-Catherine) - each sunday: subsonic sundays at la Brique (i suspect its industrial) (32 Ste-Catherine street west) - each saturday (was sunday): Saturn 6 at DAX (underground techno) (Ste-Catherine and Sanguinet) - each weekends: techno at kleenex (sometime all night) (Notre-Dames in old Montreal, near St-Denis... good luck in finding it) - most of the time: rave or hi-nrg at K.O.X. Station "C" (1450 Ste-Catherine east) Some other good adresses where there are sometimes warehouse parties: - Corner St-Alexandre and Ste-Catherine (3rd floor. On the side of the building on St-Alexandre is a grafiti: Chaos Theory) - 16 Ontario west between St-Laurent and Clark - corner St-Laurent and Mont-Royal in front of the Belmont - 55 Prince (old montreal) - plus different places in old montreal and some starting to appear on the south shore of Montreal. Some place that are no more (or no more techno): Belmont sur le boulevard (master rave DJ ave mario got fired... No wonder with a stupid name like that...) Crisco (closed) Clandestin (friday is not just techno/industrial anymore.More and more 60s rock). Radio shows (where to listen to techno and get informations): tuesday from midday to 2pm on CKUT 90.3 friday from 10 pm to midnight at CISM 89.3 (with me myself and i) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:30:44 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: re: the PA ne-raves event There are enough ravers from ne-raves that we can promote the PA rave from DC to Boston. I don't think it will turn into a major rave because we are new to the rave promotions scene, and it takes a few raves to get the word out. I think if 400 ravers showed up in Allentown (rave mecca) PA this would be a good rave. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:18 -0800 (PST) From: JACOB%SLACVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: ny raves hi fellow ne ravers! so like what is happening the next few weeks in ny ? i will be visiting ny from the 19th to the 30th and would be very interested in hearing about interesting raves or 'rave-like' events in the big apple. thanks alot and take care/shalom/salaam/rave on/keep the vibe strong ovid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:23:31 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: ne-rave well, here's my .03 creds on this situation: why don't we make this event "small", ie: ne-ravers and friends...see how it goes. if it's >>bomb<< then we can think about throwing a BIG "publik" rave. and hand our flyers (chuck?) at bigger events (but not storm)... ya know? start small..then snowball. >>taylor.mechanical.trance.machine [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Voice from the Geek Mecca Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:03:27 EST From: Ludwig van Duane from jna: >Now that I'm actually at a terminal where I can geek , unhindered for hours >at a time on end (I'm sitting at MIT's lovely project athena.. a place where >I always forget the door code) doorcode for this place. I have to always walk in with someone, and I hate >that) Ok, John, you've gone too far now! I can certainly take being called a GEEK, in fact it's become quite the compliment of late... But WEENIE? You've got to draw the line somewhere! Well, we'll just see if I ever tell you that the door code is 37619* ! So take that. **IMPORTANT STUFF** Ok, down to business, then. If we're talking somewheres around 400 folks at this Underground of ours, it's going to mean 400 rides to get there. How costly is it to rent buses to shuttle people there from the ne-raves metropolises (NY, Boston, DC, Pitt, Philly, etc.)?? Would this be something we can spend $$ on, since we hopefully shouldn't have to pay for much else besides the location! I'd be willing to work on the Boston segment of this idea, if it's considered feasible... Thoughts? ######\ ( ) /###### -#########// |\^^/| \\#########- -###########// (@::@) \\###########- /############(( \\// ))############\ -###############\\ (oo) //###############- -#################\\ / ** \ //#################- -######/-\[^]-:/:-[^]-:/-[^]-:\:-[^]-:\:-[^]-\######- _#/|####<=---=====---=====---=====---=====---=>####|\#_ |/|#/\#<<^> Dweign! <^>>#/\#| \| ' |/ V<<^> detlev@athena.mit.edu <^>>V \| ' <=---=====---=====---=====---=====---=> \-[^]-:\:-[^]-:\:-[^]-:/:-[^]-:/:-[^]-/ __\ | | | | /__ (vvv(VVV)(VVV)vvv) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:17:44 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: ne-rave > From TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Wed Dec 16 17:07:20 1992 > why don't we make this event "small", ie: ne-ravers and friends...see how it > goes. if it's >>bomb<< then we can think about throwing a BIG "publik" rave. > and hand our flyers (chuck?) at bigger events (but not storm)... > start small..then snowball. Well, Taylor's got a good point. We want to keep this (these) relatively underground, ya know? We don't want to fall prey to the same bug that the STORM Corporation (err.. orgainization) did. Remember, this is our chance to do something good, not make the same mistakes that the STORM people and other organizations have. Keep the parties _relatively_ small and they stay underground. When you start dropping piles of flyers at record stores and selling Tshirts, that's, IMHO, when it gets out of hand. I personally like the smaller (10-500 person) parties anyway. Now playing: an oldy but a goody, Dan Bell's Trance Missions. :) dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:12 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Voice from the Geek Mecca >Ok, down to business, then. If we're talking somewheres around 400 folks >at this Underground of ours, it's going to mean 400 rides to get there. >How costly is it to rent buses to shuttle people there from the ne-raves >metropolises (NY, Boston, DC, Pitt, Philly, etc.)?? Would this be >something we can spend $$ on, since we hopefully shouldn't have to pay for >much else besides the location! I'd be willing to work on the Boston >segment of this idea, if it's considered feasible... Thoughts? This is a good idea. I'm sure you all have noticed a contact in various raving areas for bus trips on flyers in the past. Whoever volunteers to handle the bus trips in the various areas could also handle the advanced ticket sales in that area. My only concern is that we might be starting to bite off more than we can chew. But if one or two people from each area volunteer to handle the bus thing in their area -- from renting a bus to selling tickets to making sure the trip actually happens, then it could work. Say a bus handles 50 people. We get a Boston bus, a NYC bus, a DC bus, hey, that's 150 ravers right there. Plus you know there will be a bunch of us arriving by car -- let's say 50 cars with 4 people each inside. That's another 200. And that's not counting the people who are going to have to get there early to set up/run the event. If we promote this right, we could get 400 ravers. It's ambitious, but we can aim high, right? In a way, 400 isn't that big a deal. There are nearly 200 ne-ravers currently on the list. If each of us got one or two non-neravers interested enough in coming, then we'd definately fill the space with vibey people from all over (since we're vibey people from all over). Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:16:39 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: ne-rave dave said that he agreed with me about keeping it small.. well, that wasn't exactly what i had in mind. i myself LOVE BIG raves.. if there's a good vibe. (sputniks, explorer..etc).. it really pumps the energy.. what i was saying is make our FIRST rave just us.. and friends.. and then, if it goes well, do another one that's bigger.. perhaps with dave trance.. dante or someone godlike like that.. and promote it.. try to get a thousand or more people..just my opinion.. i know a lot of people like small raves...but, i'm one for the energy and the vibe.. to me 2000 people putting out a positive vibe is much more intense than 300 people putting out a good vibe.. whatevah! >>taylor.101.loop.machine [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:16:39 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: ne-rave dave said that he agreed with me about keeping it small.. well, that wasn't exactly what i had in mind. i myself LOVE BIG raves.. if there's a good vibe. (sputniks, explorer..etc).. it really pumps the energy.. what i was saying is make our FIRST rave just us.. and friends.. and then, if it goes well, do another one that's bigger.. perhaps with dave trance.. dante or someone godlike like that.. and promote it.. try to get a thousand or more people..just my opinion.. i know a lot of people like small raves...but, i'm one for the energy and the vibe.. to me 2000 people putting out a positive vibe is much more intense than 300 people putting out a good vibe.. whatevah! >>taylor.101.loop.machine [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: no N_JOI for me but i can offer goods in the future! Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:50:21 EST since i work at k*nky's and the computer labs of OSU, i have access to many macintoshes and COLOR COPIERs and LAMINATION MACHINES so i would like to make the laminates and/or flyers for our NE-friends event. i think that i can get away with many but we will see. it can't be as personalized as laura's connect laminates but i can promise full-color (where i plan to do full-color fiery output on the mac) on both sides. i can do the flyers on laser bond paper in full color on one side and then red, blue, or black on the other side.. it cannot be on cardstock since it will not run through the Canon Color 500. sorry. equipment wise i can offer my 303, 101, 202, mg-1, esq-1 and the rest of our band's equipment (of course we want to play)---> eps-16+/m, vfx sd, dsm-1, weed wacker/synth, juno-106, matrix-1000, and a few other things... this might be a think where it would be good to rent like a ryder van or something. we will see. also, sorry guys on the NE coast but i can;t make it to N-Joi. the guy driving decided to go from the 28th to the 3rd of jan.. i will miss you all. i love you guys sines - ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: dumb terminals Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:04:20 EST does the place have a phone line, that we are looking at? we could bring a modem and a dumb ("smart," actually) terminal and get on just like laura's..... also, if anyone has any MIDI light controlled stuff.... we could send a MIDI channel or two and controll lights with our sequences (since we play live) i can;t wait sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:12:29 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Subject: THE RAVE CyberTribe (revar design), I just wanted to say that I am 100% for this thing at FreightYard (I spoke with Laura and Mars and Evan about this over a month ago) and want to offer up my services as a deejay if you'll have me (dont make me beg ;) Ummm....I think that we should advertise fairly heavily (like around 2000 fliers or so) and who cares is other people come. We can spot each other in the crowd anyway, plus it would be cool to hand out information about how to get an account set up and stuff. Expand expand expand we founding fathers! If this is going to happen, I think we should get started on the fliers right away. I also offer my services in this aspect, and I am sure that Todd and Taylor and Chuck would also be interested in putting it together. The sonner the better! We need a name though....any nominations? I nominate Cyber-Rave (revar design) *chuckle* Actually...though..we do... Lets have an ne-raves vote! Get about 10 nominations and have a big democratic vote. Cool to see ne-raves acting in a political (somewhat) sense. Also, we have to decide on what else to have...treats, decorations, etc. I dunno..I am bored and I wanted to put in a few words. Sorry to waste bandwidth. Big shout out to my mother on Oil City :) dieselBoy -- ne-raves jester PS : way things are going (lovey dovey wise), Taylor's HAVOK MUSIC label should put out a comp called FREEDOM RAVE. "Is that Freedon Rave man?!" "Yeah man!" "Well turn it up man!!!!!" hahahaha :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:44:06 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Voice from the Geek Mecca > Say a bus handles 50 people. We get a Boston bus, a NYC bus, a DC bus, > hey, that's 150 ravers right there. Just make sure that you have enough people in each bus to make the buses cost-effective. When sfraves threw its first rave, it hired two buses, which turned out to be a bad idea because not enough people used them (i.e. paid for them). If the turnout for the buses ends up not being as large as you would like, you could just have one bus that goes from Boston through NYC to Allentown. > In a way, 400 isn't that big a deal. There are nearly 200 ne-ravers currently > on the list. If each of us got one or two non-neravers interested enough > in coming, then we'd definately fill the space with vibey people from > all over (since we're vibey people from all over). That's assuming that all 200 are going. sfraves has about 200 people on it, of which somewhere between 50 and 100 usually attend sfraves events. (I'd guess Brian has more accurate numbers than I have.) If you really want to scope this out, have an email survey on neraves, asking every person if 1) they think will be going and 2) how many guests they think they will be bringing. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: ne-rave Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:23:41 -0500 From: jshiple@media.mit.edu >why don't we make this event "small", ie: ne-ravers and friends...see how it >goes. if it's >>bomb<< then we can think about throwing a BIG "publik" rave. I'm not sure because I wasn't at the "ne-rave rave" that went down this past weekend--but from the posts, I think that's already been proven... -John S. turbo-injected KNEE-raver [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Voice from the Geek Mecca Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:24:46 -0500 From: jshiple@media.mit.edu Hey, De-Wayne, i'll help too for things on the Boston end... -John S. turbo-injected KNEE raver [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:32:05 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: Voice from the Geek Mecca On Wed, 16-Dec-1992, detlev@Athena.MIT.EDU (Ludwig van Duane) said: > > (I'm sitting at MIT's lovely project athena.. all hail ! > GEEK ! But WEENIE? > **IMPORTANT STUFF** > > How costly is it to rent buses to shuttle people there from the ne-raves > metropolises (NY, Boston, DC, Pitt, Philly, etc.)?? Would this be > something we can spend $$ on, since we hopefully shouldn't have to pay for YEA... dat's so crazy...it just might work. It doesn't cost that much (if ya got alot of people to chip in...) And plus, then it's just a party on-the-road. Leave the driving to them...conserve. My friend rents a bus sometimes when he goes skiing with some old college buddies. We should definately look into it. tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:41:12 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: re: the PA ne-raves event On Wed, 16-Dec-1992, robcamp@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Campanell) said: > get the word out. I think if 400 ravers showed up in Allentown (rave mecca) PA > this would be a good rave. ------------------- it is writen: "Voice from the Geek Mecca" Ludwig van Duan Dec 16, 1992 Voice from the Geek Mecca -------------------- We gotta make a map...with Geek Mecca, rave mecca and Mecca, Mecca I am getting confused. tt rocky hill, ct (rock mecca) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:03:02 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: THE RAVE >> "Is that Freedon Rave man?!" On Wed, 16-Dec-1992, damian@cislabs.pitt.edu (damian@cislabs.pitt.edu) said: > We need a name though....any nominations? Info Rave 01110101001010010101010101010rave0110101001010 rave platypus stan unplastic rave tuna rave NetRave WebRave phillus PhunkRave RaveHack echolaliarave >> "Well turn it up man!!!!!" tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:20:58 -0800 From: salsbury@netcom.com (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Thanks for a great rave! Hey, all! Thanks for the great time at STORM rave last weekend! I had a blast, and it was really nice to meet some of the faces behind the usernames! (And thanks for the pre-ravette, Laura! ;^) ) I saw the ne-raves stickers making the rounds and they looked GREAT! I also know that at least one rave promoter has some of them (a friend of mine) so they'll probably be seen. :) I just arrived in San Francisco yesterday, and am trying to get situated here, so I'm gonna sign off the ne-raves list and make myself known over here, and probably get on the sfraves list! ;^) I'll still be online, but it's REALLY busy over here, looking for a job & all, so I can't handle the list volume. Send regular email, though! And rave on in peace! :) Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury 1800 Market Street #23, San Francisco, CA 94102 Voice: 415/703-7177 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:45:42 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: ne-rave Think big, but expect small (200-400) ravers - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:44:37 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** Underground? *** "...COME IN NE-RAVERS, THIS IS MARS. DO YOU READ ME?" I am supposed to be studying for finals right now, but have been overwhelmed by the tons of response on the ne-raves rave. Sorry for my "selectivity" statement in the last post and I think that those that backed me on the responses are on the same wavelength as I am. I really was thinking more in terms of the fact that I don't want the place to get torn down or fights starting by people who don't know what's going on there if we have an all-nighter. You have to kind of know Allentown to understand what is meant by that, but all this is IRRELEVANT since tickets MUST be purchased ahead of time. I.E. NOT AT THE DOOR. Another reason that this comment is irrelevant is that the place is so far away from people who live out of town who are just finding something to do for the night, that I don't see us having a problem knowing why people will be there. WHY SHOULD PEOPLE BE AT THE NE-RAVES ALL-NIGHTER? To come together in a unifying and peaceful way and experience an excellent vibe with a mix of techno that everyone will enjoy. THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR ENTHUSIASM. YOU ARE WHAT WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN. You are the ones that are going to have to promote in your areas. I'll be doing my share as well, trust me, but I think we all want this to be an East Coast event. HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOULD WE INVITE? The answer to this question is: Where is the money going to come from for printing up the fliers? I do not have it, sorry. We need fliers designed SOON, and I'll get you the details on an exact date this week, and we need to get the fliers printed up SOONER. Who is going to design them and who is going to get them printed? I'd really rather be left out of this discussion, that's not my specialty. WE NEED ONE MAYBE TWO EAST COAST RENOWNED DJs. Why? Because I think we'd all love to see one of our favorites DJ at OUR OWN rave and us DJs want to dance too. I VOTE FOR DANTE FOR SURE. We can vote on who you want, I will work on the DJ line up. Anyone who knows now I can get in contact with any established DJs let me know. Everyone who is interested in DJing will write me an e-mail message specifically telling me what type of stuff you want to play and a phone number I can reach you at in the next few weeks. WE NEED SOMEONE FROM EACH AREA TO HEAD PROMOTION FOR THEIR AREA AND TRANSPO. I would rather not deal with this at all, Luara, can you set up people to be in charge of the different geographic areas? WE NEED A MIXING CONSOLE FOR THE BANDS AND MAYBE A SEPERATE SOUND SYSTEM FOR THEM. John or Taylor, we've rented one in the past for the bands that have played or else they have had their own. Can you guys figure out what to do about sound for you guys? I don't think it's possible to hook up through the DJ system, and I don't think the owner is that into that idea. FINAL DETAILS WILL COME AT YOU WHEN I TALK TO THE OWNER TOMORROW. THANKS FOR READING... Needing the Cybertribe vibe... Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:53:41 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Pre-Catastrophic New Year's Chill out The pre-Catastrophic New Year Eve Chill Out Thursday Dec. 31, 8:30 pm Hosted by Rob Campanell (robcamp@well.sf.ca.us) at his Adams Morgan apartment Delicious Smart Drinks Scrumptious Carbohydrated Food Amazing Virtual Reality Entertainment Stunning Computer Animations from the hit College TV series "Cyberia" E-mail Rob for directions and maps. Please include mailing address. If you are going to be away from your internet access, call Rob at (202) 667-4721 for directions. Leave a phone number and fax number on the answering machine. Rob will have limited internet access from Dec. 19-28. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:04:46 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: rave names.. =) Anyrave (ne-rave) R-Rave (our-rave) Mobyrave :) Telerave Phatrave Fluid UN-D-GROUND Compurave Togetherness U-NI-T Rave etc etc... - Fluid ;) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:27:31 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: the perfect rave name!!!!! 808 rave! :) >>taylor.automated.loop.device [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:45:12 -0500 From: Allon Stern Subject: LIABILITY ISSUES of the PA rave Okay, before we go throwing a rave, everyone should probably be aware of liability and such. It might be worth it for a couple of people to incorporate. Its really cheap to incorporate in Deleware, and I think there's even a 900 number you can call there to incorporate. We'd need somebody who lives in DE to be our corporate offices :) Of course, it does mean a little bit more paperwork, but consider what would happen if someone, or two people threw the event and something MAJORLY wrong happened. These people would be PERSONALLY liable for what happened, and it could be very bad indeed. If the corporation does something, it protects the individuals, and all that might happen is that the corporation folds. I have a friend (who I just got addicted to raves) who is much more famliar with corporate law than I am. Just let me know if you need more information (as it relates to this rave only, please! - I don't want to bother him with general purpose stuff) I for one, hope to be at the rave, and to have a hell of a time :) I might be able to borrow some stage lights from a friend, possibly a dimmer system. The sound equipment (HUGE speakers, amp, 16 channel mixer) is probably right out :( -- Allon [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:07 EST From: EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES Subject: Re: Pre-Catastrophic New Year's Chill out I don't suppose you could count Germantown, Maryland as over an hour from Adams Morgan, could ya? :( Ah well... worth a try :) Tin a [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thrrrz-Dey From: "Mr. SparklE" Allentown PA. I think of closed down factories and miles of smokestacks and a lot of cool-ass warehouses which I would prefer to have this thinggg in but what te hell do I know Billy Joel is the only person I ever heard anything about Allentown from. But YES this sounds like da boomshalakshalakboom dope shit location. I could coordinate on th CT end and hey if you need a hardcore dj (altho all you people are too good for hardcore I DONT CARE ABOUT CFCs I will do it if you like for even a mere half-hour before the rave actually begins ;) and anyway as far as big name djs: I say FRANKIE MUTHAFUKKIN BONES YO YO YO ;) just kiddin' actually JIMMY CRASH would be a nice choice in my mind. How about Bobble for breakbeat I see cyberpunk posted a week ago about his needin kash-monee and brother Doug at American knows Neuromancer, the DC trance-hardcore wunderkind von Deutschland. For th' crowd: lets promo this muthafukka. yeah. we've got a shitload of resources, talent, second-rate djs, bands and stuff on this nerd line (OH XCUSE ME i meeant geek....) and namez?? McRave ;) Smokestack Rave Cataclizm Prospekt Rave The Rave that Goes Boom Romper Rave Nerd Rave ;) RAVE OF THE TITANS (*ahem* damian remember?) Camelot Splinter Slammin' Booty Rave (sell-out only) only Trash Culture Widget Rave Industrial Site Rave etal. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:52:35 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** Cybertribe Gathering *** *** Cybertribe Gathering Update *** I like the sound of that. We still need to come up with a good name for our event. "THIS IS THE VOICE OF MARS..." Sorry, just screwing around. Now, down to business. Some background for your info: I DJ at the Freight Yard. The guy who runs the club is Al Anderson. He is in his mid-30s and a pretty nice guy. My friends and I are the ones who introduced him to the techno scene and convinced him to let us make it into a techno club. Al is in a partnership with some other people and the building the Freight Yard is in also houses other stuff, I don't even know what all is in there. The place is huge and old and I think used to be an old fabric mill. Al rents the space the club is in from the other partners. He thinks the rave scene is great and he likes the music. He's liking the idea of the all night affair, i.e. full-on rave, but legality issues are being checked out fully still about the place being open all night. I'd like it to go from 10pm on a Saturday night to 8am on Sunday morning. What are your opinions? The way things are working out, a portion of the price of the tickets will go to Al for the use of his space (that he's renting) and security which he'll provide. The security guys are cool and layed back and saved the night last week when this drunk football jock came to the club and tried to start a fight. I don't even feel like discussing that incident. *shudder* The club's got smart drink stuff and two of my friends will probably work it. They usually work it on regular club nights and are super cool. SO NOW IT'S UP TO US TO SET UP THE DJS, LIVE ACTS, PROMOTION, TRANSPORTATION, AND TICKET SALES. The date and time is almost finalized, I'll keep you posted on that and I definately like everyone's ideas so far. T-t-t-that's all, folks! Rave, pieces, & yoo-nitty, Mars P.S. Raveraveraveraveraveraveraveraveraverave...I never get tired of raving! =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thor's Best Day From: "Mr. SparklE" Subject: Freedom Rave ;) Freedom Rave. I ike that Damian. BTW how abouyt this one: "Hey man I real lover' albue borrow it." "no my brother YOU've ggot to buy your own!!" :'_) alternativeLUNatick! (getting sick of this raver word) ACIIIEEED!! --Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu banging on fenceposts bangingg in the night [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: help!!!!!!!!!!!! From: John A Savage Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:41:34 -0500 Hi I am a recent member of 'ne-raves' and I really want to party this saturday I have heard about the Allentown thing, but I don't know the details. Please fill me in. Also I am in Balto! (note the Johns Hopkins address) what is happening this saturday? Troc . !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! John Savage : Troc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ! Wot no disclaimer? ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! or using "snail-mail" at :- !"I see a dark sail on the horizon. ! ! ! Set under a black cloud that hides ! ! Apt # 205 ! the sun. Bring me my broadsword ! ! 2905 N. Charles St, ! and clear understanding. Bring me ! ! Baltimore, ! my cross of gold as a talisman." ! ! Maryland 21218 ! ! ! U.S.A. ! Jethro Tull, Broadsword ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:53:06 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: ne-rave well, whatever the name should be we should say "cybertribe presents:..." you know.. like satellite productions, or the x-cubes.. etc.. know what i'm sayin? name ideas: INTERFACE MATRIX RAVE VIRTUAL RAVE anyone like those? >>taylor.silent.toxin ps: my system died today on my mac. i've sort of got things fixed. but, my hard drive icon shows as a DOCUMENT icon! everything works fine.. but this scares me. i'm running system 7, which allows to you paste little pictures to make your own icons.. when i try to paste over the document icon that is my harddrive it says that i can't do that. does anyone have any sugestions for me? ack. my life is rapidly going downhill. i've never felt this kind of stress before. i'm depressed and my fucking computer is on the blink. :( sorry to bother you with my problems.. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 22:56:07 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: LIABILITY ISSUES of the PA rave >Okay, before we go throwing a rave, everyone should probably be >aware of liability and such. >It might be worth it for a couple of people to incorporate. Its really >cheap to incorporate in Deleware, and I think there's even a 900 number >you can call there to incorporate. We'd need somebody who lives in >DE to be our corporate offices :) >Of course, it does mean a little bit more paperwork, but consider >what would happen if someone, or two people threw the event and >something MAJORLY wrong happened. These people would be PERSONALLY >liable for what happened, and it could be very bad indeed. Hmmm... since it's being thrown in an established club rather than a dank warehouse somewhere, I don't think the promoters would be responsible but rather the owner of the club itself. Mars can probably check for sure... The fact you are holding it in a club for a fixed price makes a LOT of things easier for you - you don't have to worry about power or bathrooms or heat or parking or anything other than making it cyber-rific (yes, I know that's not a word, sue me :) It would be great if Mars posted exactly how much the place costs for the night, and exactly what it includes.... Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: part II Date: Thor's Having a Good Day organization: I dont speak I ramble mo' namez: Post-Industrial Rave ACIIIEEDDD! Whata Rave Tonka Hardware Rave Thunder-Storm ;) The Rave to End ALL Raves Splash Breathless Toxic Philios (after all this mm-mm-kiss-kiss neraver luv ya brother tribe stuff) Tackee One Truly Fine Rave NNTP Rave ;) The Best Little Rave In Allentown Godsend Boisterous Productive Juiccee BoomBoomBoom (hardkor only) Choice Wiggle Ironcast Natural Spent Quick-n-Eazy Generic (with all these cool blac-and-white bland passes with UPC codes) Better than Pashdown ;) Timely Sacrosanct Gosh-Gee Rave Flim-Flam Wonderave Breathless Unorthodoz (Unorthodox) No-Doz Lemon Rave Rave By Numbers and BTW i would luv to see a goodly dose of me favourite music Hardcore but withmost of you people all against it I guess not well hell like Ben Weasel would say concerningg another hardcore, "I'm sorry, a big hearty `fuck you' goes out to you also and I mean that from the bottom of my immature, little hardcore heart." alternativeLUNatick! (boom boom boom chickchickchick BOOM) -Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu PS the above is not directed at anyone inparticular but more at this ggeneral snobbery in alt.rave and here which relegates hardcore to being worthless and well fuck im sorry its not Monet but goddamn if it aint fun and a sight better than by the numbers boredom like "Papua New Guinea" shit like that song (not all trance BTW) lacks soul.... y'know? music thats so good its almost sexual? that what it comes down to [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 1992 02:06:50 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: ne-rave someone brought up the idea...that we should videotape this event. shit. if that's not the best idea EVER. someone who has access to a couple video machines should bring a camcorder and videotape all night.. hell, we could even pass the camera around.. provided we're careful with it...and let every- one contribute.. THEN, when we all go home.. whoever has access to those machines can make copies for everyone.. we can all pay for them of course.. but god.. wouldn't that be the SHIT!? to have a really fun and cool video of this magikal event.. yeah.. wow. magnetic memories.. :) >>taylor.still.freaking.out.over.my.blitzed.mac [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:30:13 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: Raving up north & NE-RAVE Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 16-Dec-92 Re: Raving up north deb9@po.cwru.edu >Bwa ha ha ha ha....thats funny. Try 20+ From Cleveland. And I'll damn sure >be there ! 20+ hours? From Cleveland? Cleveland is 2 hours from Pittsburgh last I knew. And I can drive home, Concord NH, in 12-13 hours. Boston is only 11 hours from Pittsburgh. Damn, Boston to Chicago is only around 17-18 hours. This is averaging 60 mph on the trip with maybe a couple stops for bathroom. More seriously. If you are planning on doing something, you will need to get some local people to just start working. Someone is going to have to just start doing stuff, this is actually happening here it looks. More importantly, anyone who is working at the rave is not going to be doing things like dancing, etc. If you are selling smart drinks, you can't be on the dance floor at the same time. This fact seemed to come up somewhat at the rave that I and someothers locally had. If you use friends who are into the music as security, then security may spend more time moving to the beat than watching things. This is just something happens, most people would be much happier dancing and enjoying themselves then working for something. -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh (New Day & Time next Semester) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 04:52:58 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cease to resist) Subject: Re: Voice from the Geek Mecca Maybe it's just me, but in my circle of friends, "weenie" is a compliment! (it's when you're being so over-geekey you're weening..> -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 04:56:42 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cease to resist) Subject: Re: THE RAVE Someone spell out rave in binary.. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 05:05:10 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cease to resist) Subject: Re: LIABILITY ISSUES of the PA rave Realize that the club probably has equiptment... Under law, the only people held resposible for liability are the club ownerss. Since they own the building, what happens under _their_ roof is their responsibility. I don't see how this is any different from having a techno night at a club ; with the exception that ne-rave people are involved and are going. We could all go to Venus with less liability. Enough of my negativeness though... There's no need for any of us to "incorporate". Unless we're getting into a situation where our organization is going to be owning equiptment and owning anything that belongs solely to the organization and no individual. We can make this happen. We just have to use our heads and figure out the obvious. Start with finances. A: How much is it going to cost us to aquire the club? B: DJ's> do we pay them? do we pay bands? As much as we don't want to turn this into a money making project.. It could very well produce profit. Chuck should get paid back for the stickers he created , either by selling them or by us paying him with rave profits. Having $$$ in a sort of Ne-raves treasury would be excellent.. we could make T-shirts and what not.. So long as noone in particular profits from this. Non-profit. all the money goes back into the people on the list. Now we're conducting business on the net and violating various rules. Seeing as I started Ne-Raves , I could apply for non-profit status and make a business mess out of the whole thing, but I won't. Someone post some dollar vaules here and tell the list what we're up against to make this a reality. --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:30:13 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: Raving up north & NE-RAVE Excerpts from internet.ne-raves: 16-Dec-92 Re: Raving up north deb9@po.cwru.edu >Bwa ha ha ha ha....thats funny. Try 20+ From Cleveland. And I'll damn sure >be there ! 20+ hours? From Cleveland? Cleveland is 2 hours from Pittsburgh last I knew. And I can drive home, Concord NH, in 12-13 hours. Boston is only 11 hours from Pittsburgh. Damn, Boston to Chicago is only around 17-18 hours. This is averaging 60 mph on the trip with maybe a couple stops for bathroom. More seriously. If you are planning on doing something, you will need to get some local people to just start working. Someone is going to have to just start doing stuff, this is actually happening here it looks. More importantly, anyone who is working at the rave is not going to be doing things like dancing, etc. If you are selling smart drinks, you can't be on the dance floor at the same time. This fact seemed to come up somewhat at the rave that I and someothers locally had. If you use friends who are into the music as security, then security may spend more time moving to the beat than watching things. This is just something happens, most people would be much happier dancing and enjoying themselves then working for something. -Matt Techno Terrorists (w/ wipeout+@cmu.edu) 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh (New Day & Time next Semester) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 04:52:58 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cease to resist) Subject: Re: Voice from the Geek Mecca Maybe it's just me, but in my circle of friends, "weenie" is a compliment! (it's when you're being so over-geekey you're weening..> -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 04:56:42 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cease to resist) Subject: Re: THE RAVE Someone spell out rave in binary.. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:46:41 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts On XXX, 1-Jan-1970, kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu ("Mr. SparklE") said: > Romper Rave YEA! tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:04:31 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Flyers Are we sure we want flyers? If we do, tell me how many. I may be able to get some color laser copies for free (but probably not more than a hundred or so...I'll look into it) tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 09:25:19 EDT From: Subject: Re: Raving up north & NE-RAVE > > >Bwa ha ha ha ha....thats funny. Try 20+ From Cleveland. And I'll damn sure > >be there ! > > 20+ hours? From Cleveland? Cleveland is 2 hours from Pittsburgh last I > knew. And I can drive home, Concord NH, in 12-13 hours. Boston is only > 11 hours from Pittsburgh. Damn, Boston to Chicago is only around 17-18 > hours. > This is averaging 60 mph on the trip with maybe a couple stops for bathroom. > As I was saying, read the post ENTIRELY instead of trying to flame. No where in the post is the word Pittsburgh. But the words New York and Allentown appear. Things a little clearer ? Here try this: divide 20/2 (the 20 stands for hours on the road) and you'll be able to determine how long it is each way. And if you can make it to Pittsburgh from Cleveland in 2 hours, you're a brave person. Seeing as how the speed limit in the whole state of Pennsylvania is 55. Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 09:34:21 EDT From: Subject: Promo How about business cards ? Indiscreet, undergroundish, convienent to hold onto. Hey sines, aren't you "KINKO MAN". Maybe we could get a break on copies, ehh ? I can handle promo and tranx here in northern ohio. -How about "Cybertribe presents....POW WOW" Oh well it may need a little improvement. <> Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: business cards Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 9:56:59 EST a very good idea golden boy for $19 at kinko's i can get 500 business thermal ink business cards or 1000 for $25. or, 2000 for $44. then i get a 25% discount off that, so, that would be $14.25, 18.75, and 33 respectively. i can do a LINOTRONIC output of the art and then have it in one solid ink color (like black, blue, red, or some others) this would be on white 65-70 lb stock interested? i am... sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:04 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: THE RAVE RAVE in BINARY is: (Assuming you are using ASCII, not EBCDIC): R = $52 = 01010010 A = $41 = 01000001 V = $56 = 01010110 E = $45 = 01000101 ^ Hexidecimal So, Rave = 01010010010000010101011001000101 Guess this qualifies me to be a geek, too, huh? _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:14:15 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: THE RAVE On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, 0004775674@mcimail.com (Eric McCormick) said: > RAVE in BINARY is: (Assuming you are using ASCII, not EBCDIC): > So, Rave = 01010010010000010101011001000101 this should definately go on the flyers or cards or whatever... or should that be the name...? "Hey, are you going to the 01010010010000010101011001000101?" well, maybe not... ;o) tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Michael Tuminello Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:24:22 EST Subject: biz k's hey - If we got biz cards w/ a good graphic or something and everyone liked the concept, then we could all send stamped self-addressed envelopes to business card central with an indication of how many we wanted, and could then distribute them to cool people we thought might be interested in going. This way in addition to informing the scene, we would also get a rough estimate of how many people were interesting in going, assuming people didn't request far more than they were going to hand out. possibility? luCiD mjt3w@virginia.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kesma@e5.ijs.si (Vladimir Neskovic) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:06:25 +0100 Subject: New at smart drinks I am asking for help (how to make them ,or some site where i can read about it) some smart drinks because the smart drinks are new for this (Slovenian(Europe)) scene.thanks. Kesma. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 11:14:20 EDT From: Subject: Re: THE RAVE > "Hey, are you going to the 01010010010000010101011001000101?" > Hey, how about "Rinary Bave" or "Binary Rave". Only a geek would get it. Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: THE RAVE Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:21:42 -0500 From: jshiple@media.mit.edu On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, 0004775674@mcimail.com (Eric McCormick) said: > RAVE in BINARY is: (Assuming you are using ASCII, not EBCDIC): > So, Rave = 01010010010000010101011001000101 Hey, why don't we give everybody their own bar code and a litle scanner so that you can just walk up to some one, scan their bar code in and know who they are! -John S. turbo-injected for the future [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:28:21 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: THE RAVE On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, deb9@po.cwru.edu () said: > > "Hey, are you going to the 01010010010000010101011001000101?" > > Hey, how about "Rinary Bave" or "Binary Rave". Only a geek would get it. > > Golden Boy A Bit of a Rave MeccaRave RaveMeccaEast Phunky Rave The Golden Boy Memorial Super Rave & Tupperware Party BitRave Byte My Rave MTV-Commercial-Rave Co., Inc. God, work is boring today. tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:37:05 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: promotion idea hey y'all when we were first shooting this idea (of having an ne-raves rave) around, a month ago or so, we were talking about promotion and we came up with this idea: instead of normal everyday flyers, why not make our invites on *cassette tapes* you could record a message on one side and on the back have someone mixing or just one song- on the back we could have a song from toxic beatbox or todd or anyone else. it wouldn't have to be a 90 minute tape or something- maybe a tape with 5 minutes on each side. the first side would be info (where, time, where to buy tickets, etc) wouldn't buying or getting these tapes in bulk be cheaper than paper invites? (i could be wrong, i don't know for sure) but think how like new and fresh that would be- rave invites on tapes?? i don't know- just an idea.... e va n trEE o n e r a v e n a t i o n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs / \ || breakbeat for thought [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:39:17 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: THE RAVE On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, jshiple@media.mit.edu (jshiple@media.mit.edu) said: > On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, 0004775674@mcimail.com (Eric McCormick) said: > > > So, Rave = 01010010010000010101011001000101 > Hey, why don't we give everybody their own bar code and a litle scanner > so that you can just walk up to some one, scan their bar code in and > know who they are! > -John S. or surgically insert a chip in the brain? tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 11:47:06 EDT From: Subject: Re: THE RAVE > > God, work is boring today. We couldn't tell. You've come up with about a zillion names since I've been at work. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 11:52:19 EDT From: Subject: Re: THE RAVE > A Bit of a Rave > MeccaRave > RaveMeccaEast > Phunky Rave > The Golden Boy Memorial Super Rave & Tupperware Party ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh wow ! Really ! :) Wouldn't that be a tad bit pompous. Would I like have to make a 'fukkin 15 howah train ride' before I show up ? Lets make it : The Golden Boy Memorial Super Rave & Tupperware/SmartJello Party Had some smart jello at POWER RAVE. Great idea. Guys just wandered around the rave with these big tupperware containters full of smart jello and plastic spoons. <> Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: THE RAVE (BIT RAVE!!!!) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:56:04 EST | | A Bit of a Rave | MeccaRave | RaveMeccaEast | Phunky Rave | The Golden Boy Memorial Super Rave & Tupperware Party haha (above) | BitRave wait!!! this is great!!! not only reference to computers (like bits and bytes) but it could also be a reference to the old << ANALOG >> (ever hear that word around taylor, john adams, or myself?) synthesizer (super mega drool) the Bit ONE or the Bit 99 they are old German analog synths, and 808 state has both of them, just so you know.. | Byte My Rave | MTV-Commercial-Rave Co., Inc. | | God, work is boring today. yeah. i worked from 9 pm to 7 30 am and it is now 12 pm noon. i am still up and i have been FTP'ing and writing and scanning. weeee.... | | tt | | i think Bit RAVE would be great but i still am trying to get away from the word "rave." ever since i was into "this," collectively, i hated the word and i thought it was cheesy. now it gets a bad name and i am glad go underground... seep lower than the lowest 303 slide bassline... lower than the deepest, roundest 202 depth charge, lower than the fattest 808 kick... go BOOM sines - ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 12:04:11 EDT From: Subject: Re: promotion idea > > wouldn't buying or getting these tapes in bulk be cheaper than paper invites? > (i could be wrong, i don't know for sure) but think how like new and fresh > that would be- rave invites on tapes?? Great idea. But won't it be hard to pass those out ? How about discs ? Executable program with graphix. I guess that would be hard too. | /|\ _\\|//_ / _ _ \ <> (| O O |) \/ v \/ Golden Boy \===/ \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: promotion idea Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:04:16 EST well, seeing as i can do the FULL COLOR COPIES at work for ....gasp.... FREE... i thought that that would be the smartest thing to do. i can order cassette tapes, 15 minutes per side on super chrome (better than a factory cassette) with cases for $1.15 each.. i think that if we do enough of these it can go down to maybe a $1.00 a pop. IF YOU ARE LUCKY. i think this is too much to spend. sure, it is a great idea, but would everyone want to pay for admission and tape and badge and whatever else? would you give these tapes out for free at a record store or whatever? no flaming, just thought this could get really out of hand... sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 12:09:06 EDT From: Subject: Re: THE RAVE > > or surgically insert a chip in the brain? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * NEUROMANCER * | /|\ _\\|//_ / _ _ \ <> (| O O |) \/ v \/ Golden Boy \===/ \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: blynch@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Kemble) Subject: Re: promotion idea Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:11:39 -0500 (EST) > wouldn't buying or getting these tapes in bulk be cheaper than paper invites? > (i could be wrong, i don't know for sure) but think how like new and fresh > that would be- rave invites on tapes?? Unless you bought a *buttload* of tapes, then I doubt it would be cheaper .. I can get 1/4 page (4.25" x 5.5") flyers printed up (on card stock) for about $4 per 100 .. I doubt you'd be able to get cassette tapes for 4 cents a piece .. plus it's something people have to take time to listen to .. a flyer works instantly .. But it's a cool idea none the less. Jon .-----------. The Lords are Here .-----------. [] .-------------. | blynch@wp | To Share is To Split | 23Control | [][][][][][] | XYZee2ABCee | | i.wpi.edu | Unspoilt by Progress | NA03721D6 | [][][][][][] | You+Me=Us | `-----------' Conquer Your House `-----------' [] `-------------' [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: THE RAVE Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:10:39 EST > Had some smart jello at POWER RAVE. Great idea. Guys just wandered > around the rave with these big tupperware containters full of > smart jello and plastic spoons. How about Smart Knox Blox? Then you wouldn't need the spoons... -Ed ...djSLiP... That's *third* rate, not second rate! :-) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: surgically inserted chip Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:13:41 EST | | On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, jshiple@media.mit.edu (jshiple@media.mit.edu) said: | | > On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, 0004775674@mcimail.com (Eric McCormick) said: | > | > > So, Rave = 01010010010000010101011001000101 | > Hey, why don't we give everybody their own bar code and a litle scanner | > so that you can just walk up to some one, scan their bar code in and | > know who they are! | > -John S. | | or surgically insert a chip in the brain? | | tt | | the next step: our brains working on system 7.1. we would add on a 512 meg ram drive and a terabyte HD to our bodies, and get some faster processors, a few DSP boards... suddenly, we just never, ever leave home again,,, everything is emulated far enough for us to get personal satisfaction out of pure DATA flow and we can just shut our eyes and imagine it all with in the background.... wouldn't you just love to pull up a window from out of nowhere and instantly start typing or talking to someone via computer? a virtual, holographic window that you could type in thin air and read the screen to the left side of your horizon... i had a dream yesterday that i was talking to leah on one computer (with liquid blue screens to bat, like an akai s-series sampler or a canon color copier) and reading mail on the other computer.... can you say: "IT's in my brain now... it;s in my brain now....." this is scary. or just a glimpse of the future i wonder what the future holds... i wonder what the sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: THE RAVE Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:18:00 EST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Same thing here... i cant offer anything in english, but i can try in french? Just kiding... But for the curious minds: Rave en couleur... which means coloured rave (it's the correct way to spell colour. remember, i'm canadian) but is an allusion to reve en couleur (colour dreaming?) which is an expression meaning that a person is not realist... dont know if the translation means anything in english... Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: speaking of colour rave... Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:21:38 EST Speaking of coulour rave, i have a VGA to NTSC converter, so if you have pictures, animations etc... that would be cool for the rave, i can put that on vhs... (i already put plasma type animations, acidwarp, fractals etc... on tape, along with .fli with autodesk animator pro). Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:28:35 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: THE RAVE >On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, 0004775674@mcimail.com (Eric McCormick) said: > >> RAVE in BINARY is: (Assuming you are using ASCII, not EBCDIC): >> So, Rave = 01010010010000010101011001000101 > > >Hey, why don't we give everybody their own bar code and a litle scanner >so that you can just walk up to some one, scan their bar code in and >know who they are! > >-John S. >turbo-injected for the future > > Or you could walk up to some one and say hello.... Some creative names have been suggested so far. How about The Little Rave That Could. I thought it might fit in well with the ambitiousness of this endeavor. Keep the names coming.... ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 1992 12:27:42 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: rave name hey, i like golden boy's BINARY RAVE idea. it's cyber it's phat it's phresh it's geeky! and it would be way cool to use the binary version of "rave". ack. >>taylor.neuralnet.processor [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: ted schwantzky---> the man behind the myth Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:32:03 EST ted schwantsky: here is how we break it down: ted: in reference to todd. also in reference to ted danson's or "dancin's" hair that is what my hair looks like after i take off my hat schwantzky: ewww, this is a long and sick one (heh heh). schwantz is this word my friends and i used for the word "dick." (about 3-4 years ago) it is synomnous with: schlong, shaft, stick, schween, etc..... damian had obviously never heard it before and therefore thought it was the funniest thing since his him buying a pair of tight fitting underwear (keep it loose my brother...) so therefore he thought he should make reference to me with it. after all, when i send a "talk" request to him the first thing he sees is: "hey dick head." so i guess it is fitting. todd sines = ted schwantzky awww hell no. this is the hook up, the dope stuff, the bomb track, the super shit, << the shit >>, the fly move.. it goes on and on, to the break of dawn, it's like datch y'all............ E NOUGH (never) sines - ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 1992 12:34:00 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: yeah... BIT RAVE is excellent! i love it! as for evan's idea of invites on cassette... there are a few problems..it will be VERY expensive to make like 500 or more cassettes... and then.. shipping... it'sa fun idea.. but i don't think we'd be able to do it unless we were those jacks up in toronto who make novels for rave flyers... unless someone can get free cassettes and free shipping... but, hey! i'd put on of my songs on the tape in a nanosekond! :) >>taylor.magnetic.interference [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:34 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: THE RAVE >Hey, why don't we give everybody their own bar code and a litle scanner >so that you can just walk up to some one, scan their bar code in and >know who they are! It's funny you said that... before I got my real*genuine*fantastic*fabulous NE-RAVES ID I made my own with the laser printer.. it was a huge barcode with the letters NE-RAVES underneath (in computer type) and a little symbol at the bottom. The bar code IDs really look great... :D _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:34 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: THE RAVE > or surgically insert a chip in the brain? I had a weird daydream the other day where mankind finished the final step in the digital link... a little silicon slice that went into the corpus collosum and had a AES/PDIF digital plug that went in the back of your head... direct digital in to the brain. That way the music would never have to enter the Analog domain. But.. you'd have to go to school to learn how to extract the music data from the subcode/error correction bits. Gosh... I'm thinkin' I really qualify for geekdom now.... _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: part II Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:38:45 EST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Or, how to get busted for sure... in 1989 acid parties were quite booming around here, and then one by one they got busted. After that, any party with the a word was closed before it opened... (I did a remake of popcorn about a year ago, maybe more with this sample and some acid scratches... pretty cool i tought 8) ) > One Truly Fine Rave It's gonna be a fine rave tonight... 8) > Better than Pashdown ;) What does Pete has to do with this? > and BTW i would luv to see a goodly dose of me favourite music Hardcore but > withmost of you people all against it I guess not Yes! hardkor tekno! Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:43 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: promotion idea >Unless you bought a *buttload* of tapes, then I doubt it would be >cheaper .. I can get 1/4 page (4.25" x 5.5") flyers printed up (on >card stock) for about $4 per 100 .. I doubt you'd be able to get >cassette tapes for 4 cents a piece .. > >plus it's something people have to take time to listen to .. a flyer >works instantly .. > >But it's a cool idea none the less. Maybe we can sell tapes at the Rave... Taylor has a GREAT compilation that he sent me (Technocriminal Subcultures.) Maybe he'll even have the new compilation done by then (with 2 songs from me, maybe more! :D) _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 12:53:20 EDT From: Subject: Burnin' Bandwidth Man, this my mail box is hopin today. I love communicating with you geexz. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | /|\ _\\|//_ / _ _ \ <> (| O O |) \/ v \/ Golden Boy \===/ \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:53:48 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: *** Cybertribe Gathering *** At the risk of asking a really stupid question, does the rave have to be latenight til dawn? It gets dark before 5pm, why always start so late? --budding old fart. There's a hole in the middle of the prettiest life, so the lawyers and the prophets say. Not your father nor your mother nor your sister nor your lover nor the highway can make it go away. But there's too much darkness in an endless night, to be ashamed of the way we feel. So be kind to each other, not forever but For Real. -- Bob Franke [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: promotion idea Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:53:22 EST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] You would be severely limiting potential users... i mean not everybody has an IBM (or amiga or whatever)... But for distribution, just make a demo (i can make a limited one with some animation and music) and put it on FTPs... it will get where it has to go... Plus leave the program running on machines all over university campus... (we did that for elections) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 13:00:51 EDT From: Subject: Re: THE RAVE > > or surgically insert a chip in the brain? > > I had a weird daydream the other day where mankind finished the final step > in the digital link... a little silicon slice that went into the corpus > collosum and had a AES/PDIF digital plug that went in the back of your > head... direct digital in to the brain. That way the music would never have > to enter the Analog domain. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ** NEUROMANCER ** @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | /|\ _\\|//_ / _ _ \ <> (| O O |) \/ v \/ Golden Boy \===/ \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: LIABILITY ISSUES of the PA rave Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:08:05 MST I have never worried about liability. Realize that an insurance police here costs about $300 and personally, I feel that it is $300 wasted. The only time we got it was probably the only time we would have needed it, but the people don't blame you when they get hurt. This guy and his girlfriend got into a fistfight and there was blood everywhere, but they didn't blame us. Someone is only going to sue you if they have medical bills out the yang for a broken spine or something. In ten years of concert going, from everthing from punk to symphonies, I've never seen anyone get hurt in that way. I've seen people get their teeth kicked out, and I myself got a boot to the head and blacked out for a second, but I've only heard of one lawsuit. Some girl got pushed off a speaker at the Ministry show here and broke her leg. The roadies were the ones that pushed her. So far, Ministry hasn't come back here because of that pending lawsuit. In short, it is a gamble, but everything is a gamble. If you're doing it in a club, you have nothing to worry about, it falls on the shoulders of the owner. If you're doing it in a four story abandoned building, well maybe you might want it. I didn't go for it, because the hazards were EVERYWHERE. They upped our insurance to about $450 for a lousy parking garage, I can just imagine what a building with no firecode and massive holes in the floor would cost. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 13:17:42 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: promotion idea On Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:43 GMT you said: > Maybe we can sell tapes at the Rave... Taylor has a GREAT compilation > that he sent me (Technocriminal Subcultures.) Maybe he'll even have the > new compilation done by then (with 2 songs from me, maybe more! :D) Maybe you can sell tapes before the rave. It would be fun to make BIT-RAVE (or whatever, but I like that one) be my first rave, but it's a long ways away from Boston. If lots of people wanted to buy them it might be a good way to get some cash up front. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:53:48 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: *** Cybertribe Gathering *** At the risk of asking a really stupid question, does the rave have to be latenight til dawn? It gets dark before 5pm, why always start so late? --budding old fart. There's a hole in the middle of the prettiest life, so the lawyers and the prophets say. Not your father nor your mother nor your sister nor your lover nor the highway can make it go away. But there's too much darkness in an endless night, to be ashamed of the way we feel. So be kind to each other, not forever but For Real. -- Bob Franke [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 13:00:51 EDT From: Subject: Re: THE RAVE > > or surgically insert a chip in the brain? > > I had a weird daydream the other day where mankind finished the final step > in the digital link... a little silicon slice that went into the corpus > collosum and had a AES/PDIF digital plug that went in the back of your > head... direct digital in to the brain. That way the music would never have > to enter the Analog domain. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ** NEUROMANCER ** @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | /|\ _\\|//_ / _ _ \ <> (| O O |) \/ v \/ Golden Boy \===/ \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:37:07 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: <<< cybertribe gathering >>> holy cow. i go home for a day to work on a #!$&^! paper and i come back to find my mailbox 60+ messages heavier. :) i rather like romper-rave, but not for this one (i.e. i want something with a computer inside joke of some sort - bit rave is nice). though i also like the idea of not using the word rave... i think it would be very cool for us to make up some sort of computer program to advertise ourselves and our rave, make it FTPable. make versions for different systems, etc etc. of course, in terms of promoting the february event, there's not much audience that such a thing would reach that we haven't already reached (i.e. us). we have lots and lots of creative ideas. but we don't need to do everything for this rave. we can't possibly have flyers and online ads and tapes and X and Y and Z going all at once. we'll have our chances... i also think it's right that we need to have some one or a few people organizing. i.e. (for example) mars arranging things with the club, renting what needs to be renting and contacting DJs (ne-raves DJs and anyone else we want to invite). kinko-boy (was that sines? ;) perhaps organizing promotional design or something. and one person in each area (boston/providence, NY/NJ, DC/balt, Pittsburgh/MW, maine/canada) checking into buses, local promotion (getting those flyers out). PS - so, taylor, will the ne-raves compilation be ready by then? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: ted schwantzky---> the man behind the myth Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:39:29 -0500 From: kanarick@media.mit.edu In message <9212171732.AA26081@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> you write: >schwantzky: ewww, this is a long and sick one (heh heh). schwantz is this word >my friends and i used for the word "dick." (about 3-4 years ago) it is >synomnous with: schlong, shaft, stick, schween, etc..... damian had obviously >never heard it before and therefore thought it was the funniest thing since >him buying a pair of tight fitting underwear (keep it loose my brother...) so >therefore he thought he should make reference to me with it. Actually, "schvantz" means "tail" in Yiddish and is used for "dick" in colloquial Yiddish (especially in Buddy Hackett's jokes). -- cmk [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: the analog domain Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:55:18 MST > > I had a weird daydream the other day where mankind finished the final step > > in the digital link... a little silicon slice that went into the corpus > > collosum and had a AES/PDIF digital plug that went in the back of your > > head... direct digital in to the brain. That way the music would never have > > to enter the Analog domain. Were DJs still using vinyl? :-) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 14:56 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: transport and promotion stuff Our crazy rave-leader Mars writes: >Why? Because I think we'd all love to see one of our favorites DJ at OUR OWN >rave and us DJs want to dance too. > >I VOTE FOR DANTE FOR SURE. I LOVE Dante. It would be incredible to get either Jimmy Crash or Lenny Dee, too. Jimmy is a great hardcore DJ (and a very sweet person), and *I* think that Lenny Dee is probably the best hardcore DJ in existence. The ne-raves DJs tend more toward trance and breakbeat, so it would be good to make sure we have at least the three major styles (breakbeat, hardcore, trance) covered. But we're starting to talk dollars, which is something none of us have. I have no money of my own I can front for this. Failing Jimmy and/or Lenny, we have contacts with Jacquelyn Christie, who spins everything including hardcore, and with DJ Savage from Boston, who I heard do hardcore for the first time at METAMORPHOSIS, and he did a fine job. Another DJ to try would be Oshin from Providence, who John knows, who spins AMAZING trance on three turntables and mind-melding hardcore too. He's very versatile, like Jacquelyn Christie. Ed probably knows how to reach a few of the New Jersey hardcore DJs, like Days-X-One for example. >Anyone who knows >now I can get in contact with any established DJs let me know. I will speak to Dante and get his numbers for you this weekend. Failing that, I believe Chris or Brian on this list has Dante's numbers. And I'm pretty sure about how I can reach Jimmy Crash, too. John (jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu) has Jacquelyn Christie's, Savage's and Oshin's numbers. Try Ed (ebh@mink.att.com) for the New Jersey DJs Days-X-One and DJ Freshco. >WE NEED SOMEONE FROM EACH AREA TO HEAD PROMOTION FOR THEIR AREA AND TRANSPO. > >I would rather not deal with this at all, Luara, can you set up people to be >in charge of the different geographic areas? Okay, but I am not going to be solely responsible for this. (i.e. if no one volunteers for an area, than that area will have to remain "uncovered" since I don't have the time or whatever to take up the slack for everyone. I will just act as the coordinator for regional promotions, as it were.) So far it seems I just have volunteers for the Boston area: John Shiple (sorry if I spelled that wrong) and The Voice from the Geek Mecca. If you two really want to do this drop me some email so I will then have your names and addresses. Anyone else who wants to work "regional promotion and/or transportation" for their area PLEASE drop me some email. I will set up a mailing list just for us so we can work together without flooding ne-raves and without confusing everyone. As we make plans/have ideas/whatever we will post regular reports to ne-raves so you all will be kept up to date. Ideally we'd have two people or more in each of the following areas: Montreal(??) Boston Providence Connecticut New York City Long Island Philadelphia Baltimore DC Ohio Pittsburgh We probably should combine some of these areas, like maybe Boston/Providence, Pittsburgh/Ohio, and Baltimore/DC. It all depends on how many people volunteer and how we all decided to go about promotion. Right now all I need are dedicated brains to step forward and say they'll help. Laura laura@usl.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 12:53:20 EDT From: Subject: Burnin' Bandwidth Man, this my mail box is hopin today. I love communicating with you geexz. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | /|\ _\\|//_ / _ _ \ <> (| O O |) \/ v \/ Golden Boy \===/ \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: yeah... Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:47:36 -0500 From: jshiple@media.mit.edu TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU writes: >BIT RAVE is excellent! >i love it! I love this one too (it's my favorite so far) -John S. turbo-injected for the future [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: luCiD Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:54:08 EST Subject: RAVE I like Francois' connection between rave and reve. We could translate a quote by Nicholai Gogol (famous Russian author of "Dead Souls") into French, and change a word. The original quote (translated to english) is "All is deceit, all is a dream, all is not as it seems..." We could leave it as "Toute est deception, tout est un rave, tout n'est pas comme il semble" We could call the "rave" Trompe Les Oreilles On the other hand, maybe that's a stupid idea (and I'm sure my french is terrible (but it's been four years)). just procrastinating... luCiD. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: promotion idea Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:53:22 EST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] You would be severely limiting potential users... i mean not everybody has an IBM (or amiga or whatever)... But for distribution, just make a demo (i can make a limited one with some animation and music) and put it on FTPs... it will get where it has to go... Plus leave the program running on machines all over university campus... (we did that for elections) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:14 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: ENOUGH ALREADY!!! Okay guys, I know you are all having fun yakking but yakking won't get the job done. SOMEONE RIGHT NOW needs to stand up and say they will organize the flyer materials. That person will collect all the names we've suggested, weed out some likely candidates, and then introduce the list for a reply-only (not post to the entire list) vote. That person will also organize getting graphics, printing, whatever. We're flooding the list to the point of silliness, and aren't offically getting anything done. It seems that one of our design gods, Chuck, Todd, or Taylor should step up and agree to handle it, and get a few people to help him if necessary. Those few people can communicate among themselves until they have 2 or 3 ideas we can all choose between. Simply throwing ideas out to ne-raves all day is not going to make this rave happen. People have to take respoinsiblity for different areas and get organized. I know I sound like a fascist beaureaucrat, but I've gotten over 50 messages today and NONE of them provided a definitive answer for anything. So far I see the following has been accomplished: MARS found a place and is negotiating details with the owner. MARS is also collecting DJ contacts -- whether it be you spinning your own stuff, or the phone number of a DJ you'd like to have there and are reasonably sure would be able to come. Once Mars gets all the info he will summarize it and contact the proposed DJs about price, style, amenities, etc. LAURA will be coordinating regional promotion. Right now that means all I am doing is getting the names and email addresses of anyone who wants to do promotion in their area. It will be up to us to make the final decisions on how, when, and where to promote. At this second the only confirmed person I have is Golden Boy, for the Ohio area. There are also two guys from Boston who said they were interested, but I don't have confirmation from them yet. The brainstorming ideas have been good, but some one person needs to take charge and coordinate things and make things concrete. We need the following: someone to collect the proposed rave names and run a vote someone to come up with a few flyer designs and run a vote someone to figure out how and where to print the flyers someone to collect "extras" ideas -- like selling tapes, candy, toys, etc -- and decide which ones to go with someone to worry about finances someone to organize a set-up crew someone to organize a clean-up crew someone to organize a hospitality crew (door people, people to make sure the rave runs smoothly, how to feed the set-up and clean-up crews, that sort of thing) There's probably more. I feel like I'm starting to take over now, so I'll shut up. But if no one comes forward and starts taking specific responsibilities so we can make concrete decisions and really make things happen, then this is all going to die in a puff of the old electronic windbag. Believe me, pickin a name for the rave is probably the EASIEST of what we are about to face. I'm actually pretty scared by all this. I'm really afraid we're biting off more than we can chew. But I'll play along, as long as we do this in the most organized and professional (and I DON'T mean "corporate") manner possible. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: LIABILITY ISSUES of the PA rave Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:08:05 MST I have never worried about liability. Realize that an insurance police here costs about $300 and personally, I feel that it is $300 wasted. The only time we got it was probably the only time we would have needed it, but the people don't blame you when they get hurt. This guy and his girlfriend got into a fistfight and there was blood everywhere, but they didn't blame us. Someone is only going to sue you if they have medical bills out the yang for a broken spine or something. In ten years of concert going, from everthing from punk to symphonies, I've never seen anyone get hurt in that way. I've seen people get their teeth kicked out, and I myself got a boot to the head and blacked out for a second, but I've only heard of one lawsuit. Some girl got pushed off a speaker at the Ministry show here and broke her leg. The roadies were the ones that pushed her. So far, Ministry hasn't come back here because of that pending lawsuit. In short, it is a gamble, but everything is a gamble. If you're doing it in a club, you have nothing to worry about, it falls on the shoulders of the owner. If you're doing it in a four story abandoned building, well maybe you might want it. I didn't go for it, because the hazards were EVERYWHERE. They upped our insurance to about $450 for a lousy parking garage, I can just imagine what a building with no firecode and massive holes in the floor would cost. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: THE RAVE Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:33:33 -0500 From: Andrew.S.Wright@williams.edu In message <9212171709.AA22688@po.CWRU.Edu> you write: > >> >> or surgically insert a chip in the brain? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > * NEUROMANCER * Sorry to intrude a bit of non-rave stuff, but I thought at least some of you would be interested. We aren't that far away from brain implants. Current state of the art allows direct input into the auditory nerve from a DSP chip in a hearing aid. Within the near future, (I'd guess 5-10 years) we'll see the same abilities with respect to the optic nerve. Similarly, control of robotic prostheses is preety close. In the long term, direct implantation of recording and stimulating chips into the human brain will be possible, it's already being done in animal models. If anyone is interested, I recently wrote a paper on the current state of research in this area, which I'd be happy to e-mail. Andrew > ><> > >Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:25 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: I hate to do this but I can't remmember if I really sent something or not. So this is a test. Kill me now. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:46:39 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ Yet another name idea from a bored dude at work }== how bout: BitBall The BitBall BitShit IttyBit tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 13:17:42 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: promotion idea On Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:43 GMT you said: > Maybe we can sell tapes at the Rave... Taylor has a GREAT compilation > that he sent me (Technocriminal Subcultures.) Maybe he'll even have the > new compilation done by then (with 2 songs from me, maybe more! :D) Maybe you can sell tapes before the rave. It would be fun to make BIT-RAVE (or whatever, but I like that one) be my first rave, but it's a long ways away from Boston. If lots of people wanted to buy them it might be a good way to get some cash up front. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY!!! Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:08:57 EST i will do the fliers. i guess this is me standing up i will print many, i will work with todd tibbetts and damian higgins a little but most everything will be done in columbus... they will be full color on one side and either black or black plus red or blue on the other... size is undetermined now but i should like to have it within a week. they will be the best flyers that i have ever done. i will show you all what i can do (one of many things, haha) i want to go with the name BIT RAVE but maybe something else. fire away captains mars, laura, and ed... sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: flyers----> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:15:22 EST i deleted a bunch of the names that we had so you can send them to me and i will sort them out.. sorry. also, i will post some ideas on saturday (two nights from tonight) about what we have come to a decision on... i will also post the 3 most favorite designs probably on 27th dec 92 and also FTP gifs to soda.berkeley.edu in the pub/incoming/sfrave directory. if you have anything to bitch about or any helpful suggestions, then send them to me at the below address. or give me a call. thanks sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:18:29 AST From: "Mary-Kathryn Whitney" Subject: Smart Drinks - Recipes or Contacts? ============================================================== Greetings to all of my NE-Rave sisters & brothers !!!! I've been reading all of the posts about the rave your gonna throw & I'm positively green with envy. New Brunswick Canada is just tooooo far away. Sob sob sob. Wish I was closer to the scene. I don't think there's anyone farther away than me (Xcept, of course, Mel-E-Mel & Rockin' Robbie-O. Hiya cats!). Well, I'm sure to enjoy reading about it afterwards. Mucho successo! My little town is gonna have it's first rave on Jan. 8 & one of the organizers has asked me to see if any of the NE-ravers have SMART DRINK RECIPES. Or alternatively,might know where to find out this info. Any help would be very much appreciated. (I, BTW, share alot of my E-mail with the rest of the ravers here, who are without net access. It's fun, eh, all this connecting & sharing?) I wish I could post more but I work with very straight conservative people (librarians, ... Believe it or not, the stereotype fits.) It's difficult to even do the reading without getting caught. That Moby stuff cracked me up though. I am almost postive to be at DEEP on Jan.23 in Portland so if anyone from the list is going, I'd love to hear from ya. I don't have a badge but if everyone else has one, then heck I'll find you. Happy Holidays to all & may '93 be THE year of the rave. Mary-"more of a reader"-Kathryn University of New Brunswick Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada "The best way to cheer yourself up is to try to cheer somebody else up." (Mark Twain) PS - Hey AJAX in Ottawa - am gonna try to E-mail u tomorrow but the NYE rave has been changed to Jan.8 - more later, dude! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: and some more fodder Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:28:40 EST when and where? i don;t know if this is gonna happen in jan or feb or mar, and i am pretty sure that it will be in allentown, PA at the freight yard here are the things that are going through my head: ----------------------------------------------------o network diagrams of unix resistors IC chips ascii or binary data feed (random numbers and letters with a photoshop'ed gaussian blur overtop) some 3-d computer terminal or chip, even a network or breadboard in 3-d. ---------------------- i can do all of this stuff and more. the idea i have for bit rave logo would be like the letters of the words all linked into each other for that "futuristik" feel. this is something that i will definitely FTP as a gif immediately the words that i associate with us are: electricity technology networking internet friendship sinewaves squarewaves kickwaves linking connectivity analog digital blah blah balh all of that cyberpunk rave-y stuff it sounds cheesy but i will go through a bunch of words that describe : us, what we do, how we know each other, and all that assorted shit fire away sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:29:11 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY!!! On Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:14 EST you said: >The brainstorming ideas have been good, but some one person needs to take >charge and coordinate things and make things concrete. We need the following: > > someone to collect the proposed rave names and run a vote I can do this. It will be a way I can make a small contribution to this and it'll be fun too. I havn't been saving all the messages with names though. So, send your name ideas to DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU. At some point (probably around January 1 or so) I will stop accepting names and send out a message with all of them so we can vote on them. One thing I noticed is that if everyone submits 10 or 20 names (like some of the postings I've read today) it's going to get very unwieldy, so how about each person submitting, say, up to 5 of your very best ideas. Does this sound workable? If so, let the names start rolling in... If not, I'm sure someone will tell me. :) -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:28:16 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** ENOUGH ALREADY *** Greetings Cybertribe, AMEN TO LAURA'S MESSAGE, ENOUGH ALREADY, ACTION IS REQUIRED NOW. If you're interested in taking care of one of the tasks on the list, send a message directly to Laura telling her what it is you want to do with the rave. She can then try and coordinate who best fits the task at hand and can post on who's up for nomination for that task or else if only one person responds, who that person is. They can figure out what that task entails and can report back to the list what is going to be taken care of and the final report. More or less, we just need some subcomittees to take care of everything ahead. I SPOKE TO THE OWNER TODAY AND HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S INVOLVED, AND IS GETTING THE LEGALITY ISSUES FINALIZED. He will give me a date and times and costs. I am considering starting this thing earlier than midnight. IF YOU KNOW SOMEWHERE WE CAN SELL TICKETS, I.E. RECORD STORE OR RAVE STORE IN YOUR AREA, CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY WITH THEIR TELEPHONE NUMBER. Planet X records in New Brunswick, NJ looks like one of the places so far. There is a record store here called "Play it Again" that will sell them as well, it's right by Lehigh University (Bethlehem, PA) and 20 minutes from the Freight Yard. Don't shoot me for asking, but should I see if Groove will sell them for us? DJ'S SO FAR: Dieselboy, SLiP, Mars, Tree (evan), anyone else out there? I'm gonna look into Savage, Oshin, Jacquelyn Christie, DayzXOne, Freshco (those two I know will help out). I want to try and talk to Jimmy Crash, Dante, and Josh Wink as well. I don't know how to get in touch with Lenny Dee, if you do let me know. I SPOKE TO DANTE LAST MONTH ABOUT THROWING A RAVE IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY AND HE WAS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT HAPPENING. He told me to call him and let him know the details later. He said,"It's not about numbers, its about the Vibe." Words to live by. EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE DETAILS ON A DATE OR TIME, WE STILL NEED TO PLAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AHEAD OF TIME SO WE'RE READY TO MOVE WHEN WE CAN. To prepare for the worst case scenario, I am looking into other possible locations now. I haven't found any, but I want to play it safe. I will look into getting sound if we have to revert to a barn or something. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BY SPRING THERE WILL BE AN NE-RAVES "CYBERTRIBE" UNDERGROUND RAVE! Rave forever, Mars P.S. "Cybertribe forces--Activ-8!" =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:57:14 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: Re: THE RAVE Binary rave is no good because +8 did one called binary 00000001 in windsor back in august. But I do like just plain 01010010010000010101011001000101 :) - fred fwolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:59:25 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: Re: promotion idea How about hypercard stacks on 1.4 Mb floppies for a flyer? My brother did his business card this way for a while... - fred fwolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 12:53:20 EDT From: Subject: Burnin' Bandwidth Man, this my mail box is hopin today. I love communicating with you geexz. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | /|\ _\\|//_ / _ _ \ <> (| O O |) \/ v \/ Golden Boy \===/ \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: promotion idea Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:53:22 EST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] You would be severely limiting potential users... i mean not everybody has an IBM (or amiga or whatever)... But for distribution, just make a demo (i can make a limited one with some animation and music) and put it on FTPs... it will get where it has to go... Plus leave the program running on machines all over university campus... (we did that for elections) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: David M Miller Subject: Re: RAVE Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:48:46 EST > I like Francois' connection between rave and reve. I like it a lot too, it seems that we're all a bunch of dreamers, so the connection seems really appropriate. > We could translate a quote by Nicholai Gogol (famous Russian author of "Dead > Souls") into French, and change a word. > > The original quote (translated to english) is "All is deceit, all is a dream, > all is not as it seems..." > > We could leave it as "Toute est deception, tout est un rave, tout n'est pas > comme il semble" I really like this, too, maybe we could incorporate it into the flyers or something. > On the other hand, maybe that's a stupid idea (and I'm sure my french is > terrible (but it's been four years)). It's not that bad... > just procrastinating... > > luCiD. Something unrelated to the impending rave: Is anybody else getting (some, not all) messages twice? Or is it just me? _ -Dav -- dvmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "Given the pace of technology, I propose we leave math to the machines and go play outside." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY!!! Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:51:04 EST > So far I see the following has been accomplished: > > MARS found a place and is negotiating details with the owner. [...] > > LAURA will be coordinating regional promotion. [...] ED (aka djSLiP) will coordinate audio and lighting. The club already has a sound system in the main room, but the chillout room is not yet complete, which means that its sound system likely has not been (and may not ever be depending on how they want to use that room) purchased. I have a fairly decent sound system and some minor lighting gadgetry. I suspect that among the ne-ravers we have enough to fill that out to whatever we'll need. I will make a trip to the Freight Yard some Fri- day soon after the first of the year to see what we'll need. At that point I wil post my findings, ask for volunteers for loans of whatever we'll need that I don't already have, and make arrangements to rent and transport when we can't get otherwise. At the event itself, I will take responsibility for setup and teardown. Note: I am switching jobs after the first of the year. Between now and then, my email feed may be pulled at any time. UNTIL I POST MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS, PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT ME REGARDING THIS! I cannot guarantee it will reach me! Besides, I will be spending the holidays with my family and will be (horrors!) completely cut off from ne-raves and all its activities, so even if you were to contact me about some- thing, I wouldn't be able to do anything about it anyway. As Laura said, it's time for people to commit to this, which means committing to specific jobs. Look at all the names on the average rave flyer. It takes a lot of dedicated people to pull these off. -Ed <> "It's time it's time it's time for action." -Fortran 5 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: luCiD Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:54:08 EST Subject: RAVE I like Francois' connection between rave and reve. We could translate a quote by Nicholai Gogol (famous Russian author of "Dead Souls") into French, and change a word. The original quote (translated to english) is "All is deceit, all is a dream, all is not as it seems..." We could leave it as "Toute est deception, tout est un rave, tout n'est pas comme il semble" We could call the "rave" Trompe Les Oreilles On the other hand, maybe that's a stupid idea (and I'm sure my french is terrible (but it's been four years)). just procrastinating... luCiD. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: ne-rave's R*** Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:13:33 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) count me in as well, as far as boston promo for the event. THE BAHSTON N.E.RAVEZ M.I.T. PROMO-POSSE! detLove (dwein) J.Chip (john S.) SHALAKO (me) In effect, holmes!!! lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:02 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: DOUBLE MESSAGES I think I've figured out the mystery of the double messages. It seems that every message that goes through silver.lcs.mit.edu gets doubled, whereas messages that are sent directly to gnu.ai.mit.edu are fine. So, if you are replying to a post and you see it is going to go to silver, edit the "to" field if you can to change it to ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu . If you are posting a new message remember to send it through ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu . I hope this solves the problem. I've written to John (our list administrator) asking about it, so I'm sure he'll deal with it when he gets a chance. I'm not 100% sure this is the reason behind the doubling, but from observing list traffic this afternoon I think there's a connection. By the way, please do NOT send messages to BOTH silver and gnu. It *might* result in *3* copies being propagated to the list, rather than just one. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:34:48 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (wave of mutiliation) Subject: Re: surgically inserted chip Yuck. Never leave your House? I'm a techno hound but this isn't for me. you provide people with the means to never leave their house and we've got television all over again. -john [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Dec 92 12:53:20 EDT From: Subject: Burnin' Bandwidth Man, this my mail box is hopin today. I love communicating with you geexz. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | /|\ _\\|//_ / _ _ \ <> (| O O |) \/ v \/ Golden Boy \===/ \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Names for the Underground Event Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:39:50 EST Dave Hardy said > I can do this. It will be a way I can make a small contribution to this > and it'll be fun too. I havn't been saving all the messages with names > though. So, send your name ideas to DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU. At some point > (probably around January 1 or so) I will stop accepting names and send > out a message with all of them so we can vote on them. Alright, for everybody's benefit, I've compiled all the names suggested so far. I'll vote for anything without a drug reference and without the word RAVE in the title. Enough of this cheezy FillInTheBlank Rave stuff with grocery store items for flyers. In my humble opinion it is getting a BIT tedious. (get it, BIT rave?) NE-RAVES UNDERGROUND (Mars' original name for this event) A Bit of a Rave MeccaRave RaveMeccaEast Phunky Rave The Golden Boy Memorial Super Rave & Tupperware Party BitBall The BitBall BitShit IttyBit Trompe Les Oreilles "Toute est deception, tout est un rave, tout n'est pas comme il semble" "All is deceit, all is a dream, all is not as it seems..." Post-Industrial Rave ACIIIEEDDD! (would get busted for sure) One Truly Fine Rave It's gonna be a fine rave tonight Better than Pashdown 01010010010000010101011001000101 (rave in ascii binary) 01110101001010010101010101010rave0110101001010 Freedom Rave Info Rave rave platypus stan unplastic rave tuna rave NetRave WebRave phillus PhunkRave RaveHack echolaliarave The Little Rave That Could. Rave en couleur (coloured rave, or a play on "reve en couleur" - colour dreaming) BitRave Byte My Rave MTV-Commercial-Rave Co., Inc. Rinary Bave Binary Rave Romper Rave Interface Matrix Rave Virtual Rave 808 Rave Anyrave (ne-rave) R-Rave (our-rave) Mobyrave Telerave Phatrave Fluid UN-D-GROUND Compurave Togetherness U-NI-T Rave my thoughts: Romper Rave has already been done. The French is nice but kind of abstract for most Americans. Makes me think I'm going to a coat-and-tails dinner party or some lingerie shop. todd's thoughts: i think Bit RAVE would be great but i still am trying to get away from the word "rave." ever since i was into "this," collectively, i hated the word and i thought it was cheesy. now it gets a bad name and i am glad go underground... seep lower than the lowest 303 slide bassline... lower than the deepest, roundest 202 depth charge, lower than the fattest 808 kick... go BOOM sines my thoughts: i agree. like i said before, let's NOT use the R*** word, at least not in the title. i wouldn't object to a subtle reference to the 'rave spirit' but i don't like the idea of classifying our Underground (if i may use the word) in the same category as things like STORM, HOUSE OF EUPHORIA, etc. These things are "R***s" and are precisely why R*** is a four-letter word and part of what has motivated us to do our own thing instead of going to someone else's. you and i may know the difference but the people we don't know who will likely be there are going to think they are going to a R*** in the sense of the aforementioned events as well as tekno-nite-at-a-club and the media's portrayal of R***s. (sorry for the run-on sentence). don't we want something that is a little better than that? better than storm rave, better than hard copy, better than 90210? i'm not trying to be (um, what's the word? esoteric? non-unity-oriented? whatever) but i don't like the idea of calling this something that will attract a negative element, i.e. drunk frat jocks, club poseurs, etc. i have a feeling i am going to get flamed for this but it really puts a damper on the vibe to have those people there and i am thinking of Ravin Bran in particular ... (any of you who were there wanna comment on this?) it just spoils things, even if they do pay. so put my vote in for keeping it fairly small, and being selective about where flyers are distributed. Mike [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: the rave Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:40:47 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) a couple of points from your friendly neighborhood technokachina: for our first event, 500-600 raverz sounds good. normally, i would agree with taylo808 in that the bigger, the better. (as long as you've got people with the right attitude and vibe there) i think we should do a little flyering, though. there's only 200 of us, so i think we could do with another 400-500 friends and others there. but we should definitely exercise caution as to who we flyer to... names for our rave: CONNECT REACH-OUT (both obvious choices for our first event), JUNGLE BASICS ROOTS PRIMITIVE SUBMERSE DIVE (trying to portray the idea of going back to the basics, submerse back into the underground...) CYBER-RAVE NEWRAVE (the next generation) SPECIES (the new evolution of the genus: rave.) DELVE (into what it really means to rave) SUBPUBLIC etc., etc. lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "SUBMERSE...we're going back under(ground)..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:48:33 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (wave of mutiliation) Subject: Re: promotion idea Alright ; this is getting STUPID. Print flyers and shut up :) -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Chill Out Area Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:49:50 EST > ED (aka djSLiP) will coordinate audio and lighting. The club already > has a sound system in the main room, but the chillout room is not yet > complete, which means that its sound system likely has not been (and > may not ever be depending on how they want to use that room) purchased. I have little experience in such matters but I would be willing to help coordinate whatever I can to make a decent chill out area (COA). At the very least I have a good supply of ambient music, old and new. No furniture, though. equipment-wise, well, not too great: 2 portable CD players, 1 Denon 1000 turntable, 3 tape decks, no mixer. NAD 3225 amp (useless as a power amp for a large room but can be used as a preamp by pulling out the pins in the back). speakers: custom-built, no way they are leaving my house :) Anyone who can help, you know where to reach me... Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: ne-rave Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:54:10 EST > someone brought up the idea...that we should videotape this event. shit. > if that's not the best idea EVER. someone who has access to a couple video > machines should bring a camcorder and videotape all night.. hell, we could > even pass the camera around.. provided we're careful with it...and let every- > one contribute.. THEN, when we all go home.. whoever has access to those > machines can make copies for everyone.. we can all pay for them of course.. > but god.. wouldn't that be the SHIT!? to have a really fun and cool video of > this magikal event.. > >>taylor.still.freaking.out.over.my.blitzed.mac um, not to speak for dave miller, but he and i were discussing this the other day. he can borrow his parents' video camera for a while. but i don't think he wants to stand there the whole time and shoot. it would also be kind of boring after a while to have one camera. if anyone else can bring a video camera, speak up! we can worry about editing the various shots together later. Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:59:25 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: Re: promotion idea How about hypercard stacks on 1.4 Mb floppies for a flyer? My brother did his business card this way for a while... - fred fwolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:28:16 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** ENOUGH ALREADY *** Greetings Cybertribe, AMEN TO LAURA'S MESSAGE, ENOUGH ALREADY, ACTION IS REQUIRED NOW. If you're interested in taking care of one of the tasks on the list, send a message directly to Laura telling her what it is you want to do with the rave. She can then try and coordinate who best fits the task at hand and can post on who's up for nomination for that task or else if only one person responds, who that person is. They can figure out what that task entails and can report back to the list what is going to be taken care of and the final report. More or less, we just need some subcomittees to take care of everything ahead. I SPOKE TO THE OWNER TODAY AND HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S INVOLVED, AND IS GETTING THE LEGALITY ISSUES FINALIZED. He will give me a date and times and costs. I am considering starting this thing earlier than midnight. IF YOU KNOW SOMEWHERE WE CAN SELL TICKETS, I.E. RECORD STORE OR RAVE STORE IN YOUR AREA, CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY WITH THEIR TELEPHONE NUMBER. Planet X records in New Brunswick, NJ looks like one of the places so far. There is a record store here called "Play it Again" that will sell them as well, it's right by Lehigh University (Bethlehem, PA) and 20 minutes from the Freight Yard. Don't shoot me for asking, but should I see if Groove will sell them for us? DJ'S SO FAR: Dieselboy, SLiP, Mars, Tree (evan), anyone else out there? I'm gonna look into Savage, Oshin, Jacquelyn Christie, DayzXOne, Freshco (those two I know will help out). I want to try and talk to Jimmy Crash, Dante, and Josh Wink as well. I don't know how to get in touch with Lenny Dee, if you do let me know. I SPOKE TO DANTE LAST MONTH ABOUT THROWING A RAVE IN THE LEHIGH VALLEY AND HE WAS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT HAPPENING. He told me to call him and let him know the details later. He said,"It's not about numbers, its about the Vibe." Words to live by. EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE DETAILS ON A DATE OR TIME, WE STILL NEED TO PLAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AHEAD OF TIME SO WE'RE READY TO MOVE WHEN WE CAN. To prepare for the worst case scenario, I am looking into other possible locations now. I haven't found any, but I want to play it safe. I will look into getting sound if we have to revert to a barn or something. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BY SPRING THERE WILL BE AN NE-RAVES "CYBERTRIBE" UNDERGROUND RAVE! Rave forever, Mars P.S. "Cybertribe forces--Activ-8!" =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: ne-rave's R*** Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:13:33 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) count me in as well, as far as boston promo for the event. THE BAHSTON N.E.RAVEZ M.I.T. PROMO-POSSE! detLove (dwein) J.Chip (john S.) SHALAKO (me) In effect, holmes!!! lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:02 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: DOUBLE MESSAGES I think I've figured out the mystery of the double messages. It seems that every message that goes through silver.lcs.mit.edu gets doubled, whereas messages that are sent directly to gnu.ai.mit.edu are fine. So, if you are replying to a post and you see it is going to go to silver, edit the "to" field if you can to change it to ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu . If you are posting a new message remember to send it through ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu . I hope this solves the problem. I've written to John (our list administrator) asking about it, so I'm sure he'll deal with it when he gets a chance. I'm not 100% sure this is the reason behind the doubling, but from observing list traffic this afternoon I think there's a connection. By the way, please do NOT send messages to BOTH silver and gnu. It *might* result in *3* copies being propagated to the list, rather than just one. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: hello? Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:58:58 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) juz' wonderin if anyone is getting my posts. also wonderin': can anyone take over the Hook-up-O-Matic for me for two weeks? (i'll be cyberNETically impared from friday to jan. 3rd) can anyone who leaves around NY, put me up for any or all of the nights of dec. 29, 30, 31, jan. 1? i'll be at RISE this friday, from 12 to about 3 or 4. (since my plane leaves at 6:20am) i'm sooo psyched for the ne-raves r***! i still think the name should have something to do with the new evolution of rave...back to the old school... SUBMERSE! or... ROOTS! or... REHISTORIC CYBERNET GATHERING! (or something like that... respond-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Tune Inn - Tune Onn - Drop... Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:05:41 EST Howdy, I'm very interested in making the excursion to Tune Inn this Saturday night. Taking the bus out there will cost me close to $50 (return from Boston) and although the money doesn't bother me I'd like to find out a couple of things before I decide to make the trip. First, I know Tune Inn is a club and that it's supposed to be open until 6 a.m. Is this a sure thing or is there a chance that it will close early if the crowd has dwindled (this won't be the case, right?)? I don't think I'd want to wander around New Haven until the busses start running again. Secondly, is the club close (i.e. < 3 miles) from the Greyhound bus station? I can figure out to get from Bus -> Tune Inn myself if the walk is reasonable. Hmm, that's about it. Of course, if there are any kind souls travelling via car from the Boston area who would like a companion I would certainly pay my share, etc., etc. -Chris P.S. Did anyone notice on the flyer for Venus tonight that 18 plus is $5 while 21 plus is $10 !!??!! I hope this is a typo...I just called Venus and it is a typo. $5 for 21 plus, as usual, whew! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:23:31 -0500 Subject: stuff damn! i think i just lost the last 20 messages (thru call waiting :( i'd be willing to find or rent a vid-cam... i LOVE to film stuff! (we filmed at a disco in italy once, i think they thought we were hollywood :)) count me in as bringing a vid-cam.. the more the merrier , right? (if anyone knows someone selling a vid-cam, i'd like to know!) also, i lost the address for the pre-TUNE-inn party. so i hope you're reading this: i am driving down from worcester mass. with becca. that leaves 2 spaces for anyone who wants to take a bus to worcester, and i'll pick you up (much cheaper than a bus to new haven :)) so, i need info on the pre-party.... thanks! (see ya at loft & tune inn !) donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:29:12 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: ne-rave On Thu, 17-Dec-1992, mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mike J. Brown) said: > > someone brought up the idea...that we should videotape this event. shit. > > if that's not the best idea EVER. > > if anyone else > can bring a video camera, speak up! we can worry about editing the various > shots together later. ah! I can offer my services here. I am unsure at this point if I will be able to bring a camera, but I have at my disposal: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ VideoToaster (desktop computer/video) 3 decks (two professional super8 editors) edit controller genLocks & such video mixer (color enhancement, brightness, etc.) every type of phunky effect U can possible think of... Amiga 2000 MacIIsi I would love to take the footage and document this bizarrely beautiful thing. Our cameras my be scheduled for use (if it's a weekend in february) but I can definately edit a coherent, thumping whole out of the mishmosh of images. tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:16:41 -0500 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: New Year's, Catastrophic --> DC anyone? Will anyone be heading down to DC from the Boston Area for Catastrophic (or anything else) before New Year's? I'm actually desperately trying to get down to EveCon but have very little money... sigh... poor me. :) EveCon is from Jan 1-3, but anywhere a few days before or after would be wonderful. If anyone has a clue as to how I can get down there, I'd be eternally grateful. Wantin' to be rich... Nina "pathologically whimsical" Karp... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:46:29 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ CREW NEEDED }== Howdy: Me and damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) were talking and we want to get everybody together who wants to work on VIDEO TAPING this prehistoric CyberTribe Bit gathering and documenting it in a serious loving way. This would mean...getting cameras (renting maybe) planning to get some shots (pre-r***, in daylight, aftergatherings, etc) Making sure 2 cameras were running at once (trading off so we could wiggle a little of course) and editing (as I said...I got access to a desktop super8 studio) Whoever is interested...write me or Donato. "It will one day be a r*** classic" Gene Siskle & Roger Ebert tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:58:02 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** CYBERTRIBE GATHERING TICKETS *** > TICKETS > > Boston Beat Records - (617)561-4790 > Allston Beat - Boston - (617)421-9555 > Cambridge - (617)868-0316 > Allston - (617)254-4420 > Providence - (401)454-7050 > Shaky Jake's - Worcester - (508)792-1041 > Bad Habits - Portland - (207)773-1310 > Groove Records - Brooklyn - (718)714-5232 > Planet X - New Brunswick - (908)249-0304 > Hello everyone, These places all sold tickets for Metamorphosis, I will probably try to get a hold of these people to see if they could carry tickets for us (except maybe Groove). I STILL THINK *** CYBERTRIBE GATHERING *** IS A GREAT NAME FOR OUR UNDERGROUND. Later, MARS =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:05:48 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ IRC line for NE ? }== Is there an Internet Relay Chat set up for raves east? tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Chill Out Area Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 4:48:29 EST > At the very least I have a good supply of ambient music, old and new. This is true. It was a big hit in Laura's chillout room. > equipment-wise, well, not too great Don't worry about that. I have or can get just about everything we'd need. The only problem might be if my sound system isn't powerful enough. In any case, I have all the front-end stuff: 1200's, CD player, cassette deck, junky old mixer :-), and a 200wpc back end. Depending on when this actually takes place, I may have better stuff by then. If not, and if nobody else in ne-raves does, I'll make arrangements to rent whatever else we need. -Ed !!djSLiP!! Someone needs to tell the Storm Rave people that the Limelight (gads, a *club*) beat their barn dance to *hell* tonight. N-Joi in da howze! Lots-O-Ravers. Vibe-a-mundo! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:02:13 EST From: Network Mailer Subject: mail delivery error have a good break everyone...(:...partyon...susie ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Original message follows: Received: from american.edu (SK2479A) by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 3046; Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:02:13 EST Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 17:57:42 EST From: susie Organization: The American University Subject: No subject To: neravers I am sooo lucky...i am in the middle of a week of hell finals...but a nice thin g happened today that i thought i should share...the washington post had an art ical on raves/toys/etc. in it today (when i get some time i will type it in hop efully) and my final for my writing for mass communication class was to pick an artical and write a broadcast piece...it was so easy and fun...the only hard p art was word choice *because i didn't want to define the scene, even though i g ot a little lazy with word choice*...wow i still can't believe i enjoyed taking a final...this is a first...thank you prof.marklein thank you washington post. ..thank you neraver geeks for making me educated....wheee...partyon...susie (ye s i am off to san francisco to rave for break *yeah*...(: [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 09:26:05 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: ne-rave or the best little rave in allentown ilitfatdib i hrnocno rkweod-ey eeirmiwrfe ale daafe(Do you understand this message?) lnl d lve! le ec!hakec y-r bvve-t aeel vn e e r Ct doug p.s. i really like name best little rave in allentown (or cooley-rave) :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:51 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: surgically inserted chip >Yuck. Never leave your House? I'm a techno hound but this isn't for me. > >you provide people with the means to never leave their house and we've got >television all over again. This reminds me of the "Orgasmatron" in Woody Allen's "Sleeper" movie... a replacement for sex. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:56 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: DOUBLE MESSAGES John writes about my theory on double messages: >NOPE [...] >If people are getting double messages, it's quite possibly the cause of >people not editing the headers to remove the names of the person they're >replying to out of them... > >When replying to a message, send your reply _ONLY_ to ne-raves >don't send it to both the person you're replying to and ne-raves. If they're >on ne-raves they're getting a copy anyway. Well, something MUST be wrong with gnu then, because I most certainly know how to send mail. I did "mail ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu" and TWO copies of the message got distributed to the list. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:24:00 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: DOUBLE MESSAGES >John writes about my theory on double messages: >>NOPE >[...] >>If people are getting double messages, it's quite possibly the cause of >>people not editing the headers to remove the names of the person they're >>replying to out of them... >> >>When replying to a message, send your reply _ONLY_ to ne-raves >>don't send it to both the person you're replying to and ne-raves. If they're >>on ne-raves they're getting a copy anyway. > If that's the case only that one person you are replying to will get a double message. I am definitely getting double messages from people I don't reply to. >Well, something MUST be wrong with gnu then, because I most certainly know >how to send mail. I did "mail ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu" and TWO copies of >the message got distributed to the list. > >Laura > > Also, I have been getting Mail Error messages from American University quite a bit. Are these being sent out the whole list or just me? It seems to happen when I post a message. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:17:46 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Strange header. Note the To: line in the headers below. I don't know if it has anything to do with the double messages, but "ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu.UUCP" is pretty strange-looking. :) I don't know where the UUCP got into it, but that is how it was received here this morning. I think I've seen one other message like this. > Received: from MITVMC by MITVMC.MIT.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id > 3929; Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:14:11 EST > Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by mitvmc.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) > with TCP; Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:14:10 EST > Received: from usl.usl.com by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP > id ; Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:08:49 -0500 > Message-Id: <9212181608.AA07153@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:56 EST > From: laura@usl.com > To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu.UUCP > Subject: Re: DOUBLE MESSAGES > Received: from usl by usl.com; Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:56 EST > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 621 -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:32:35 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ vintage rave poster GIFs }== Howdy: You guessed it. I am bored here at work again (slow week.) I have scanned in a bunch of vintage rave invitations of the early 90s from the collection of Jay Cornell (from Gnosis Magazine, winter93) Where should I plop these for ftp? tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: DOUBLE MESSAGES Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:41:01 -0500 From: Andrew.S.Wright@williams.edu In message <9212181608.AA07153@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> you write: >John writes about my theory on double messages: >>If people are getting double messages, it's quite possibly the cause of >>people not editing the headers to remove the names of the person they're >>replying to out of them... >Well, something MUST be wrong with gnu then, because I most certainly know >how to send mail. I did "mail ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu" and TWO copies of >the message got distributed to the list. > >Laura In addition, I've been receiving double messages replying to messages I've never posetd about, and I'm receiving double messages from both the mit addresses (silver.whatever and gnu.whatever) Andrew [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:10:24 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: Journey Through the Hardcore II Another zillion DJ event from KMS records (the last one was worth the $ just for the house DJs!). Saturday, January 2, 1993 9pm - 4 am JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE [Phase 2] World's Leading Rave Act ALTERN 8 Detroit's Techno Sensation INNER CITY [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Charter busses available, call. Majestic - 4140 Woodward, DETROIT Info: 313/259-1553, 313/741-HYPR, 313/927-DAM1, 313/433-2129 Directions: 313/833-9700 - fred wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 18 Dec 92 12:26:24 EDT From: Subject: Re: THE RAVE > Andrew.S.Wright@williams.edu > Subject: Re: THE RAVE > In-Reply-To: Your message of "17 Dec 92 12:09:06 EDT." > <9212171709.AA22688@po.CWRU.Edu> > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:33:33 -0500 > From: Andrew.S.Wright@williams.edu > > In message <9212171709.AA22688@po.CWRU.Edu> you write: > > > >> > >> or surgically insert a chip in the brain? > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > * NEUROMANCER * > > Sorry to intrude a bit of non-rave stuff, but I thought at least > some of you would be interested. > > We aren't that far away from brain implants. Current state of the art > allows direct input into the auditory nerve from a DSP chip in a > hearing aid. Within the near future, (I'd guess 5-10 years) we'll see > the same abilities with respect to the optic nerve. Similarly, > control of robotic prostheses is preety close. In the long term, > direct implantation of recording and stimulating chips into the human > brain will be possible, it's already being done in animal models. If > anyone is interested, I recently wrote a paper on the current state of > research in this area, which I'd be happy to e-mail. > > Andrew > > > > ><> > > > >Golden Boy Send me what you got friend. Are you familiar with the book Neuromancer? Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: help me!!!\ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:56:31 -0500 (EST) hey you boston kiddies!!! i N E E D loft passes tonite (or at least one, though i would prefer two) i will be nice and try to obtain one for donato :) (arent i a sweetie???) someone, write me back and let me meet ya somewhere if you have one (or two) to spare :) please please :) see ya tonte (dante dante dante) *becca* [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:23:50 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (a problem noticed is a problem halfway solved) Subject: test message Pinging the list. sorry to waste space. -john [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:27:10 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Zeiss Ikons) Subject: Re: Tune Inn - Tune Onn - Drop... I haven't paid for venus in quite a long time.. Since when did they drop it back to $5? It used to be 8.. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:29:54 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Zeiss Ikons) Subject: Re: =={ CREW NEEDED }== If we want to do this _RIGHT_ and not come up looking like a bunch o' high school film majors, film it to 3/4" or, 8MM so we can edit at tibbets@hsi.com's place .. SMPTE would be nice for editing.. I'm up for doing video and editing.. -John Don't forget we can get access to public access TV in local cable systems to borrow 3/4" cameras and editing time. (we don't wanna broadcast though!) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:24:00 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: DOUBLE MESSAGES >John writes about my theory on double messages: >>NOPE >[...] >>If people are getting double messages, it's quite possibly the cause of >>people not editing the headers to remove the names of the person they're >>replying to out of them... >> >>When replying to a message, send your reply _ONLY_ to ne-raves >>don't send it to both the person you're replying to and ne-raves. If they're >>on ne-raves they're getting a copy anyway. > If that's the case only that one person you are replying to will get a double message. I am definitely getting double messages from people I don't reply to. >Well, something MUST be wrong with gnu then, because I most certainly know >how to send mail. I did "mail ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu" and TWO copies of >the message got distributed to the list. > >Laura > > Also, I have been getting Mail Error messages from American University quite a bit. Are these being sent out the whole list or just me? It seems to happen when I post a message. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:16:44 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Dante at Venus Just a short review for those of you who couldn't make it and especially for those of you looking forward to seeing him tonight at the Loft. If he's anything at all like last night, you won't be disappointed. I arrived around 12 to hear that I just missed a great trance set by the ever-improving Tim Ryan. What I was barraged with was an Alston Beat fashion show to the vibe of a MTV dance party, music and all. They had set up a runway sticking maybe 15 feet out from the stage onto the floor and had models (yeah right) showing the latest fashions from Alston Beat (trendy TM). This luckily finished about 25 minutes later and Debo came on to spin his shortened set. I'm sorry to offend any Debo fans out there, but Debo really stuck to the same old shit last night. I've seen him in rare form where he can really carry me, but last night was just typical Debo. Bad, slow breakbeat with an occasional progressive house track thrown in. He even managed to play a couple of the records that he's been playing at Venus for the last 6 months. Lucky us. Around 1am, the breakbeat continued but in a modified flavor. I looked up... It was Dante. He brought us slowly from the Debo dungeon out to a beautiful, magical, spiritual trance set, the likes that Boston can only HOPE to hear on a rare occassion like this one. >From this point on the night was a blur since I stood in one place and grooved for the rest of the night in pure bliss. I can only tell you that I was moved physically and spiritually to a state of Ecstasy, truely. I can't wait for tonight. I only hope he gets at least a couple of hours. see you all tonight at Rise. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Dante at Venus Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:48:56 -0500 From: kanarick@media.mit.edu In message <9212181816.AA24322@keywest.bedford.progress.COM> you write: > >Just a short review for those of you who couldn't make it and especially for >those of you looking forward to seeing him tonight at the Loft. > >If he's anything at all like last night, you won't be disappointed. Well, according to The Pheonix, Debo and Dante are also spinning at Axis tonight... -- cmk [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:49:08 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (The hunt is on to find the fox) Subject: TEST #2 Silver.lcs.mit.edu test. -john [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:32:35 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ vintage rave poster GIFs }== Howdy: You guessed it. I am bored here at work again (slow week.) I have scanned in a bunch of vintage rave invitations of the early 90s from the collection of Jay Cornell (from Gnosis Magazine, winter93) Where should I plop these for ftp? tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:08:55 -0500 From: jna@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: I just found and deleted the user that was causing all the bounces at american.edu... sorry for taking so long but it was nearly impossible to find him.. :) -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:17:46 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Strange header. Note the To: line in the headers below. I don't know if it has anything to do with the double messages, but "ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu.UUCP" is pretty strange-looking. :) I don't know where the UUCP got into it, but that is how it was received here this morning. I think I've seen one other message like this. > Received: from MITVMC by MITVMC.MIT.EDU (Mailer R2.08 R208004) with BSMTP id > 3929; Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:14:11 EST > Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by mitvmc.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) > with TCP; Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:14:10 EST > Received: from usl.usl.com by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP > id ; Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:08:49 -0500 > Message-Id: <9212181608.AA07153@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:56 EST > From: laura@usl.com > To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu.UUCP > Subject: Re: DOUBLE MESSAGES > Received: from usl by usl.com; Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:56 EST > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 621 -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: DOUBLE MESSAGES Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:41:01 -0500 From: Andrew.S.Wright@williams.edu In message <9212181608.AA07153@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu> you write: >John writes about my theory on double messages: >>If people are getting double messages, it's quite possibly the cause of >>people not editing the headers to remove the names of the person they're >>replying to out of them... >Well, something MUST be wrong with gnu then, because I most certainly know >how to send mail. I did "mail ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu" and TWO copies of >the message got distributed to the list. > >Laura In addition, I've been receiving double messages replying to messages I've never posetd about, and I'm receiving double messages from both the mit addresses (silver.whatever and gnu.whatever) Andrew [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:48:08 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: =={ vintage rave poster GIFs }== >I have scanned in a bunch of >vintage rave invitations of the early 90s > >Where should I plop these for ftp? > how 'bout at soda.berkeley.edu or cs.uwp.edu e va n trEE o n e r a v e n a t i o n . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs bbsbsbsbbs / \ || breakbeat for thought [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:11:47 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Subject: ne-r*** name CYBERTRIBE GATHERING is GREAT!!! BIT RAVE, agreed, is a bit old. -Peter [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:14:24 -0400 (EDT) From: JONESLI@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: public access.......{CREW NEEDED} My experiences with public access have been that 1) they want to broadcast whatever you film/edit with their equipment and 2) they sometimes make you take a "course" in using the stuff first. However, these just may have been the particular stations I dealt with. OR, policies may have changed. the second wouldn't be so heinous, but the first// ......? skal lisa [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:41:09 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** Cybertribe Gathering *** Hello Cybertribe, At one of my posts a while back, I said something about getting a crowd that we want at the Gathering at the end of Feb and some people took it as being somewhat of a questionable statement. I know it's kind of old news, but it will have some relevance once we have the fliers and are ready to distribute them. This past summer, I was at a Storm Rave and some guy named Dante came up to me and my three friends and introduced himself, gave us an orange, but asked us to share it. We talked and he gave us business cards which said "Evolution Vibe Tribe Member" on them and had a telephone number as well. He told us that if we called the number, we could find out where the next Evolution party was going to be. We were free to bring guests, he said, (here's the part that is relevant) "...AS LONG AS YOU'D FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING THEM INTO YOUR OWN HOME." This kept the parties reasonably managable size-wise and helped you feel comfortable with everyone else who was there which created an excellent vibe. We, as NE-Raves, have established a community over the Network. It is by no means exclusive, but I think most of us found out about the list from a FOAF. Our Gathering is just another chance for us to expand our community. We have the potential to expose new people to what has brought us together. I think we're all interested in developing friendships and bonding with others who share our interest and love of the R*** scene. I have been to StormRaves where the main reason some people have gone is to try to intimidate other people or scare trippers. A case in point, at the last one this past Saturday. There was a guy there with a skeleton mask and dog ears. He'd run around, jump right in front of someone's face, and scream. I heard him laughing with his friends as he bragged about all the people he'd freaked out that night. I was busy watching Sandra Collins DJ at the time, but looked over in disdain at which point I got the classic, "Whadda you lookin' at?!" response. I hope that noone else out there would like this to happen the night of the Cybertribe Gathering. Needless to say I don't want people going to the Gathering that are out to have fun at the expense of others. I know that the distance will probably keep the people who do this at places in their area, so it's not something that's that big of a worry. The point I am trying to make is that I want to keep that sense of community that we have on the night of our Gathering. On that note: INVITE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER _AND_ THEIR SISTER, AS LONG AS YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING INTO YOUR OWN HOME, CAUSE THE FREIGHT YARD IS YOUR HOME THAT NIGHT. Your Ne-Raves friend, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: =={ vintage rave poster GIFs }== Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:00:17 EST > >I have scanned in a bunch of > >vintage rave invitations of the early 90s > >Where should I plop these for ftp? > how 'bout at soda.berkeley.edu or cs.uwp.edu when i was looking for an archive site for the alt.rave images, i asked brian about soda. he said no way; they're full. dave datta had no problem with cs.uwp.edu being used. please drop your contributions in the directory pub/incoming/pictures/alt.rave at cs.uwp.edu. they will be moved to pub/music/pictures/alt.rave shortly thereafter. if you can make them JPEGs, it would be much preferred (as they save space, which is important on slow systems like cs.uwp.edu -- what do they use, trs-80s? i am 'in charge' of that file area at the music archives, so any questions can be directed my way. mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:09:51 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: *** Cybertribe Gathering *** >share our interest and love of the R*** scene. what's with the "r*** scene" lettering? is this some sacred word?? do we have to invent secret words to mask ourselves? are we not open to others? >Needless to say I don't want people going to the >Gathering that are out to have fun at the expense of others. I know that the >distance will probably keep the people who do this at places in their area, so >it's not something that's that big of a worry. The point I am trying to make >is that I want to keep that sense of community that we have on the night of >our Gathering. On that note: > who's rave is this, anyway- yours or OURS? look at the number of "i"s in that paragraph- if it's your rave then fine, you do all the work, get the djs, promote in 10 cities, arrange buses, cleanup, sounds, and pay for it. if *NOT*, then don't tell everyone else who to invite to our rave.... go ahead, make suggestions- but please don't give orders- not when everyone will be contributing to this... everything you've stated is blatantly obvious and been much-discussed here already (much of it before you got on)... IMHO, you take a very condescending attitude that i could really do without.. >INVITE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER _AND_ THEIR >SISTER, AS LONG AS YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE BRINGING INTO YOUR OWN HOME, >CAUSE THE FREIGHT YARD IS YOUR HOME THAT NIGHT. > case in point. constructive (not *de*structive) criticism, e va n [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:19:19 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: =={ vintage rave poster GIFs }== I second the suggestion for cs.uwp.edu -- they have an excellent music archive there including many GIFs (got some cool On-U Sound and Stax ones there ;-) And of course soda if that can be worked out. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:17:21 -0500 (EST) From: Michael F Hauben Subject: What about Literary Rave References? Hi all, I wondered upon the greatest quote when review for a final. In Eurpipidies WILD play, the Bacchae, is the following quote: "Did the god declare that just the young, or just the old should dance?" Thus - we could have a Bacchae Rave. (If all the genuine laid back vibes and acceptance vibes are true, as I am yet a Rave virgin.) -Michael (On a side note, I look forward to going to the Long Island Rave (Essence?) early in January (16?) if I can hitch up to a ride.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:26:15 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: =={ vintage rave poster GIFs }== Cool, Mike! Things are moving much faster than I thought possible. But in the *best* of all *possible* worlds, &c. &c. ;-) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:34:54 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Pre-Earth Rave party The UM RaveCoalition is throwing a pre-Earth Rave party. Contact thalx@wam.umd.edu for more info. (The party is saturday night) -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:46:31 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** APOLOGIES *** To all, My humblest apologies to all those that I've offended, especially you Evan, I really care about you, Evan, and want you to be just as much of a part of this as everyone else. I wrote that last post because the issue came up between someone else and me and the point was to CLARIFY, not offend. Evan, I give you all the credit for introducing me to all these great sincere people on NE-Raves. Please excuse my over-enthusiam into this project: it's my biggest personality flaw, I am an overachiever and am doomed for life. This is the biggest thing that I have ever been involved with and it's hard to do a cooperative venture when everyone else is sitting in a different city. Everyone, please realize that Al from the Freight Yard is a little scared of the idea of hundreds of people coming into his club from out of the state. I will probably lose my job if the Gathering goes bad and there's violence. That is the explanation of my last post. God, I am so tired of having to explain what I say. Please forgive me if anyone else is offended and please forgive my pushy-ness. I'll try to remember where I belong... Deep regret... Marshal =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: NYC, NJ Stuff... Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:40:16 EST From: David Mann Finally! Out of North Carolina and up North for the holidays! I've been on NE-Raves awhile but haven't been very active since i've been at school (which is stuck up in the NC mountains). I'm living in NYC and working in NJ for the next 3 weeks. Does anyone know of anything going on the weekend after New-Years? Some fellow NE-Ravers from NC want to come up for a weekend. If you're wondering about the scene in NC, it is a little behind the times but is interesting. Club type raves every weekend died out in favor of larger events about a year ago. There's a decent event about every 2 weeks now. Most of the promoter groups are into the scene and not the money but at least one has changed his attitude over the last few months (imho the Toy Store rave held here a few weeks ago was a big disappointment location-wise but had the best DJ's yet). The most we've ever paid was probably $8 but for that rave it was worth it because the location, PA, and DJ's were excellent. (And a few friends and I even put on our own Mini Rave)(my first real DJ experience outside of the school radio station (the radio station a fellow DJ and I were kicked off of because we brought in our own stuff to play-but that's another story)). Anyway, can anyone direct me to some good record stores in the area? The only ones I remember are Vinylmania in the Village, Vintage Vinyl in Woodbridge NJ for a good selection of import CD Comps, and I found a generic record store (it rents floor space from a grocery store) about 2 blocks away from where I'm staying that has a surprising number of House/Acid 12" singles. Flavor Dave [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:33:38 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: *** APOLOGIES *** > My humblest apologies to all those that I've offended Could we please remember that we're all on the same side here? When Mars says he only wants "the right people", I for one take it to mean that he doesn't want the local Iron-City-guzzling rednecks looking for some heads to bash in. I didn't read it at all as any sort of elitist "we're ravers and they're not" garbage or a violation of the Marxian dual burden. Let's stick to the task at hand without forcing each other to walk on the eggshells of political correctness. We've got an event to put on, and that simply won't happen if we're spending our time looking for ways to be offended by what gets posted here. Not only that, those of us who have committed to busting our butts for this thing are going to get discouraged *real* fast if it looks like all we're going to hear is criticism of the way we do things. -Ed ++djSLiP++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 18:20:11 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: *** APOLOGIES *** I would just like to offer my support to Marshal for what he said in his original post about the "Cybertribe Gathering". I think that as open-minded and real as we are, there are some realities that are also a part of this group (This group, meaning not just ne-raves, but the world vibe). Marshal made ALOT of good points in his post and while I read it I was moved at how candid and real it was. I was frustrated at the response he got; I mean, C'mon, do you really want people at our party (YES, OUR PARTY) that are there to simply antagonize and dehumanize us for their own pleasure? Granted that's an extreme case, but I sure as hell don't want my vibe shattered by some inconsiderate, clueless moron whos idea of fun for a night is to get smashed on booze and go "ruf up some fag ravers". I have come to the realization that the feeling that our community shares is a unique and special one that I, quite frankly, ONLY want to share with other people that feel that same way. _HOW_ they feel it is definitely an individual choice and I certainly wish everyone to share the wonderful vibe. What I DON'T want is some jocko bastard making a mockery of something that we feel very strongly about. I wouldn't invite someone like that to my house, and I certainly would want them at a spiritual event like an underground party. (And yes, I steer clear of the word R*** now too. You're kidding yourself if you think it means the same thing it used to). I love my friends very much and I love it also when new people join in that feeling. No. I Don't want anyone and everyone to come to OUR party, but anyone who shares or WANTS to share the vibe is certainly welcome. I've formed the above opinion over the last year or so as a result of my experiences with people and the different vibes I've felt in different situations. Everything from pure bliss in an environment where there was so much positive energy that I was brought to tears to (to quote Marshal) "I got the classic, 'Whadda you lookin' at?!' response." Thanks Marshal for being so honest about your feelings. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 20:34:31 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Re: =={ vintage rave poster GIFs }== >>>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:48:08 EST, epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) said: >Where should I plop these for ftp? > epr0> how 'bout at soda.berkeley.edu or cs.uwp.edu Or on media.mit.edu:/pub/ne-raves/incoming. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:41:54 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Bye for Now Well now that classes are over I think I'll be signing off for a month. I'll try and stop by the UofM computer labs and look ya all up every now and then. Meanwhile I'm off for the Kool Rave in Philly.......... See you all sometime...... Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:45:43 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: name.. so, is BIT RAVE dead now? i like that better than cybertribe gathering.. oh well! no problem.. it's only a name! i like "cybertribe" though.. well.. i don't know. the name's cool. not everyone's gonna agree on it anyway.. as long as the rave (and no, i don't find the need to spell it: r***) is good..and as long as we can all accept the things that get finalized. like the name... i'm really really looking forward to this. i know i and others have mentioned me (toxic beatbox, lunik) for doing live music.. and i'm just gonna offically state that i'd love to do it.. and that i want that to be my contribution. may i also request that DJ Slip play "age of love" between every song. :) things sorta seem on track now.. todd doing the flyers..people on video..i'd be happy to carry around the video camera if someone gets tired..oh! i just had a good idea! i'm a photography major here at NYU.. i will bring my camera and some good film and take stills of people.. that will be fun.. i guess that's all. i haven't voiced about this in a little bit.. so i thought i'd update on some of my thoughts.. todd, make the flyers the SHIT. use that connekted type stuff. rave rave rave go go go >>taylor.neurologikal.clone.zone [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Chill Out Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 1:08:30 EST i was having quota problems earlier today so i might have missed some of today's ne-raves chatter. all is fixed now. anyway instead of saying what i CAN do or what i WANT to do i will just take a leap of pretentiousness and say what i WILL do, and that is be the chill master (as golden boy put it) by spinning the ambient jams at least half of the time in the chillout area... i've got the tunes * i might as well play 'em. if mars could get me some info about what the space is going to be like, especially the acoustics (e.g. is there going to be a wall between the COA and the dancefloor? if there isn't -yikes!) furniture? mars said there is no sound system in there so i will need to take advantage of somebody else's (Ed?)... i have the portable cds and 3 tape decks, and one nice turntable too, but if Ed is going to volunteer some 1200s... :) i would like the ability to have at least two turntables or two cd players going at the same time, and a tape deck, too. if all those things could go into a mixer it would be great. and of course i would want to use one of the other decks to record the really good stuff. the nice thing about ambient music is you don't have to have pitch control over everything. you just fade something with a beat in over something without, and fade out, and fade other things in, and sprinkle little effects over the top. hey! we could hook up a quadraverb and really rip things up! (the wheels are turning in my head, can you hear them?) yeah... and todd and taylor could invent some new analogue bubblebaths on the spot... and maybe we could even get MOBY to come to the gathering too, if he's not too busy... excited, mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient * 'tunes' is all relative when you're talking about techno and ambient, i suppose. there's not much emphasis on melody in either form. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: name.. Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 3:44:54 EST > so, is BIT RAVE dead now? I hope not. It was my favorite, too. > i like that better than cybertribe gathering.. Yeah, too many syllables. I think "cybertribe" ought to be a synonym for "ne-raves", usable on the outside, as in "Cybertribe presents Bit Rave, call (908)xxx-xxxx or send Internet mail to info@this.that.the.other." > i don't find the need to spell it: r*** Me either, any more than I refer to f*cking or smoking p**. > i know i and others have mentioned > me (toxic beatbox, lunik) for doing live music.. and i'm just gonna offically > state that i'd love to do it.. and that i want that to be my contribution. Well, I guess we'll have to make do... :-) :-) > may i also request that DJ Slip play "age of love" between every song. :) I'l tell you what -- I'll bury it in the mix so that Taylor always hears it but nobody else does... -Ed -=djSLiP=- BTW, saw _TOYS_ tonight. WOW! +3 on the -4 to +4 scale. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Chill Out Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 3:55:43 EST > From att!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!mjbrown Sat Dec 19 01:12:38 1992 > Received: from att.UUCP by mink.mt.att.com (4.1/smail2.5/06-27-90) > id AA02975; Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:12:34 EST > Received: by att.att.com; Sat Dec 19 01:00:49 EST 1992 > Received: from top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP > id ; Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:08:32 -0500 > Received: by top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (5.65/3.910213) > id AA05908; Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:08:31 -0500 > From: Mike J. Brown > Message-Id: <9212190608.AA05908@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> > Subject: Chill Out > To: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu (NE-Raves) > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 1:08:30 EST > In-Reply-To: <01GSH9J1KSHKAPTCB9@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU>; from "TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU" at Dec 18, 92 11:45 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > i was having quota problems earlier today so i might have missed some > of today's ne-raves chatter. all is fixed now. > i WILL [...] be the chill master Neato. I don't know how extensive the DJ lineup will be, so obviously we don't know how long each of us is going to spin. > mars said there is no sound system in there so i will need to take > advantage of somebody else's (Ed?)... I'm way ahead of you, man. It may be one of the messages you lost, but I already volunteered my existing sound system (including 1200's), and I also volunteered to coordinate acquisition of any additional sound equipment we'd need. I'll also take care of lighting coordi- nation. > i have the portable cds and 3 tape decks, and one > nice turntable too, but if Ed is going to volunteer some 1200s... :) I am. I also hope to have a Denon 2000F by the time this event occurs, but I can't promise anything. I *don't* have a cassette deck I can bring, but I try to avoid cassettes since they're so hard to cue. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 19 Dec 1992 04:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: RALLY! 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Do you want me to keep track of names for a vote or not? Apparently we posted a message about it both at the same time. Does this mean that a name has already been decided on? (cc: to ne-raves so that someone will see it). -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 09:29:02 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: name.. On Sat, 19 Dec 92 3:44:54 EST you said: >I hope not. It was my favorite, too. Mine too, though there were a few other good ones suggested. >> i like that better than cybertribe gathering.. >Yeah, too many syllables. I think "cybertribe" ought to be a >synonym for "ne-raves", usable on the outside, as in "Cybertribe >presents Bit Rave, call (908)xxx-xxxx or send Internet mail to >info@this.that.the.other." I like the sound of that. Cybertribe gathering sounds (to me) like some sort of primitive ritual or something, as well as being lots of syllables. >> i don't find the need to spell it: r*** >Me either, any more than I refer to f*cking or smoking p**. And if I send mail to ne-r***, it won't work. :) :) Someone mentioned that the word rave doesn't mean the same thing as it used to but it seems to be the most convenient word to use. If the word gets changed and raves are eventually called something else, the meaning of that will change too as the media gets ahold of it and it becomes known to the general public. Then we'll have to change it again, etc... -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 19 Dec 1992 11:18:25 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: mmm well, i'm gonna disgree with the SchwantzMan for the first time. it think Bit Gathering is pretty icky. it sounds like lint or something. cybertribe gathering is better than bit gathering... bit gathering.. just reminds me of little bits of SOMETHING.. NOT computer bits.. does anyone else feel this way? i reallllly don't like that name.. but, it's only me...i mean, IF it's only me.. then oh well.. i know mr. 303 god over there can do better than that.. ????? not many people have voiced and vocoded their opinions here.. c'mon folks!! >>taylor.repetitious.bitstream [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 19 Dec 1992 11:22:29 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: rave name i still like my idea of calling this thing INTERFACE. it suggests a JOINING and it's a good leangth.. rolls of the tongue.. and doesn't have that dreaded R word that so many of you hate. it's catchy too.. and cyber and geeky. the ne-raves cybertribe presents: I N T E R F A C E ?? anyone? anyone? >>taylor.808 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: luCiD Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 11:56:25 EST Subject: name I personally am much hipper to the name interface, as taylor suggests, than I am to either "bit rave" or "bit gathering" or "cybertribe gathering" Bit gathering sounds like some hobby for decrepit people whose fingers can't take knitting. bit rave has the word rave in it, which seems kind of redundant and unnecessary. cybertribe gathering probably wouldn't fit on the flier. Well - that's what I think anyway :) ciao luCiD@virginia.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:01:25 -0500 From: Allon Stern Subject: Re: mmm > > not many people have voiced and vocoded their opinions here.. c'mon > folks!! > > >>taylor.repetitious.bitstream > Alright...I will. I don't particularly like the "bit" themes...not nearly as much as I like the whole Cybertribe thing. Of course, we could always call it "Deep Rave"...we could all be depraved :) -- Allon [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 14:30:41 -0500 Subject: name ... we have a winner!! "Interface" is SOOOOOOOO good! please, let's make it that :) last nite at the loft = breakbeat/progressive-trance-house heaven... now, what was that set dante played? dante was in the house, literally! he didn't play his usual mind-blowing trance, but the shit was funky! and he even came out to dance later. and the happy bear danced ALLLLLL nite... see ya at tune Inn! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:29:24 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** NAMES *** Hello everyone, "INTERFACE" does sound like a cool name. I like the idea of: "The NE-Raves Cybertribe presents... I N T E R F A C E" Something about "...a gathering for unity..." I think should be on there, too. I personally don't care for the "Bit rave" idea. It doesn't give any kind of a message that really tells me anything. As was mentioned about "INTERFACE", it brings up the technology side of NE-Raves and the idea of us all becoming unified and coming together. Any responses? Your NE-Raves friend, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:46 EST From: EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES Subject: Loft My first time at the Loft this past friday- Just wanted to say... * It was great finally meeting you, Becca * You too, Shalako :I * Thanks sosososososoososososo much, Donato, for the ride back. A $23 cab ride would have been MOST unpleasant. * I went up to a few goateed boys but to no avail- none were Kanarick. I felt a bit foolish :) * Good to see you again, Camper. You are THE best dancer and vibe maker by far! And who was that random camera man? IMHO, nothing can top Loading Zone '91, but The Loft comes a CLOSE second. See yall next year- hopefully at BitRave or BitGathering or Cybertribe or Interface or whatever it ends up being dubbed. {{{ Tina }}} [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Eon & compilation questions Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 17:03:35 EST Hi, i just came back from the record stores, and i finally found EON, void dweller cd. It was 15$ (domestic price) but seems imported from the US by Sony. This is a much better price than what i could find before (import price was 25$). I bought it, but was wondering if its the same thing as the import? (same tracks?). And for those wondering how the graphics were done: it's an electrography. Put rocks and glass (and other refractive material) on a color copier then light the surface with spots and laser and voila... The copier used was a cheap one (canon probably) thus creating scanlines, not unlike a TV. My second question is about a cd compilation called technomancer. Got it in a liquidation bin for 10$. How old is it? From some of the tracks it cant be older than 1991. Here's the listing (almost every songs are remix): Lords of acid/rough sex Channel X/Groove to move Eccentric/Outlaw Oliver adams/free the world Oxy/the feeling digital orgasm/running out of time pink stanly ford/a new style baby Jade 4 U/messenger of love atomizer 2/liberty & freedom channel X/a million colours general max/we can do it digital orgasm/startouchers parametric/where is god zafari/jungle people groove reactor/magick dust club/X-one Last question: i saw Kaos Theory 4 (again a ripoff at 25$) and was wondering if anybody has it? Is it as good as the KT1 or at least better than KT2/3? Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 19 Dec 1992 17:38:45 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Hi. Hi all. It's good to be on. Is anyone here planning to go to either Revelation or Essence? Perhaps some sort of meeting can be arranged.. Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 19 Dec 1992 17:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Compilations.. Francois, If you are interested in CD compilations, you may want to check out the Order to Dance compilations on R&S Records (Belgium), or The Philosophy of Sound and Machine on ART/Rephlex (UK). If you like more ambient, listenable stuff you may want to pick up the Artificial Intelligence compilation on Warp Records (UK). All of these can be ordered through any record store which regularly receives a decent selection of imports, or that deals with a distributor which handles imports.. Darshan [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: luCiD Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 18:53:56 EST Subject: help hey network pals- if anybody's listening out there I could use a serious hand. I need all the postings I can get my hands on from the last two and a half weeks or so. Please forward all the ne raves mail u have - I have some but I have deleted the rest, and now realized that it could be very helpful to me. Suffice it to say my academic ass is in a serious sling right now, and as odd as it sounds, these messages could really make a difference in something I am working on. Write me at lucid@virginia.edu or mjt3w@virginia.edu if you have any questions about why I need it etc. Otherwise PLEASE take my word that I won't be using it 4 evil purposes and forward asap. :) thanks in advance- luCiD. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: luCiD Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 21:41:29 EST Subject: ps I really need the "Go away Moby" messages, and the "I'm a geek, too" message series. thanks a lot happy dragon boat festival. luCiD. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ted schwantsky= the enhanced one Subject: our party's name, flyers, and ESSENCE on 16 jan 92 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 22:05:35 EST well, several people have liked "bit gathering," especially susie, and joachim. but they live normally on the west coast, so i am sure that it doesn;t matter. haha anyways, since everyone hated "bit gathering" (taylor) i think that <> will be the name we should stick with. mars likes it so there we go. i guess all that sleep i missed this week is the reason for my lack of creativity. right taylor? thanks man. anyway. i will post the sketches for "interface" in the pub/incoming/sfrave folder of soda.berkeley.edu in GIF format. i will be working on this all this week at work. i have a lot of "unique" imagery that i wish to incorporate with this so i will have a ball. but it won;t be cluttered: one thing that i despise. please, please, please tell me the dates, and if we have a confirmed address for the party. also, a list of the things that we should include for our vital information on the dj/pa tip as well as lights and smart bar, etc.. since i am doing the flyers/promo color tags, etc.. i should have time at the party for doing some other shit. chris beamount is sending me info on smart drink powder so i would like to maybe set up a smart bar possibly if one of you already hasn;t done it. i have made similar stuff in the past (lemon ice, pineapple drinks, and smart drink stuff without the nutrients) for little local parties and everyone liked them... so.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------->>>> as for ESSENCE, on 16 jan 92, i think mike brown and i are plotting to hit Long Island for the party there and we would like to get the hook up with whoever this time. Laura spoke of a beach house party but i know no more than that about it.. later folks sines - ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dicanoxes Subject: Raves = Censorship? Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 19:08:12 PST > > at the radio station i work at we are trying to come up with a program > > about censorship,. or "Family Values" > > orsomethign alog that line > > > > and i was thinking at a club about what i could cover that > > is censored by society or the govt or whatver > > and it hits me... > > the whole underground culture is being censored > > distorted amnd perveted by the media > > and i think that it would be a really bizarre but > > applicable idea.. > > > > sooo.... > > my project now is to find some people who would agree with me on this > > who are heavily involved and maybe some people who would disagree > > and what not from around the country or the world actually would be > > nice and then the show would be a bunch of interviews > > with promoters, ravers, dj's, police, whoever > > and whether they think that the ideology of the > > underground scene is being cenosred by society > > or just the media or whatever > > and the idea is real strong in my head, but its not coming out right > > now, but i think the jist is there > > > > so..... > > feel free to send me and input you would have on this subject > > and also if possible names of people who promote > > spin, sell drugs i dont care, who might have somehting > > interesting to say about the subject > > > > thanks > > happy christmas hannukah new years > > and remember cutting off the top of a tree is much > > nicer than cutting the whole tree down > > and dont use eucalyptus wicks in menorah candles > > > > , > > dana > > > > > , > dana > , dana [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Compilations.. Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 23:05:08 EST Beyond the ultraworld of DJESRANI@COLGATEU.BITNET: > > Francois, > If you are interested in CD compilations, you may want to check out You can say i'm into comps. I've been buying them since this is the new beat. I buy them most of the time to get versions i cant get any other way, but if i find something good that's truncated, i will buy the 12" (vinyl for the 12", CD for the comps). And in some case i will buy the album (eon for example). I have about 150 techno CDs. > the Order to Dance compilations on R&S Records (Belgium), or The > Philosophy of Sound and Machine on ART/Rephlex (UK). If you like It's the kind of stuff i buy (hardcore or breakbeat) > more ambient, listenable stuff you may want to pick up the Artificial > Intelligence compilation on Warp Records (UK). In ambient house i prefer to buy the group album or 12" (3 min ambient is not that good 8) ). > All of these can be ordered through any record store which regularly > receives a decent selection of imports, or that deals with a distributor > which handles imports.. But it will surely cost me more than 30$. In demand imports are 25$ or 29$, so special orders are out of the question in Montreal. This is why i regularly check used CD record stores (not much in techno yet...) and liquidation bins. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 20 Dec 1992 00:11:58 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: ... Francois, I wasn't aware that special orders cost you so much. The only thing that I've noticed about special orders is that the record store through which you are ordering usually expects you to buy what you order (meaning they either have you put a deposit down, or they make you feel obligated to buy it after it has come in..) Darshan [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 20 Dec 1992 00:14:20 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Interface Is there a tentative location and date set for this gathering? How big do you want this to be? Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Dave Miller Subject: the ultimate rave?!?!?!?! Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 2:07:02 EST I had the tv on earlier and there was some Prince thing on ABC and they had promos for something that will be on tomorrow night and they were saying "It's going to be the ultimate rave." aaaaaaahhhhhhhh! Now, I don't mind Prince, (he's a bit flaky, but his music is good) but I don't think anything that ABC might be showing qualifies as a "rave", or even resembles one. After tonight, I'm going to try to avoid the gratuitous use of the word "rave". (i.e. not in public if I can help it, and only when writing on this group or talking to people who know what a rave is because they've actually been to one, not because it was on 90210.) I don't mean to sound snotty or elitist, but seeing that really made me shudder and say "ewwwwwwwwww". To tie this in to the big discussion on names, I think 'Stan' is the most uh, creative name I saw on the list, but I think we should go with 'interface' because it's hip to be a geek. _ -Dav -- dvmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "Given the pace of technology, I propose we leave math to the machines and go play outside." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Dave Miller Subject: something kind of interesting... Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 2:11:07 EST I was using apropos to see if there were any UNIX commands with the word 'rave' in them and this is what came out: rave: nothing appropriate Just thought it was kind of amusing and i hope it makes your life just a little bit better. _ -Dav -- dvmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "Given the pace of technology, I propose we leave math to the machines and go play outside." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 17:32 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: "BitRAVE" I hope this is not dead, too. BitRAVE was my favorite. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 17:53 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: "Interface" Guess I shoulda read all my mail before posting a response... Je T'aime I N T E R N E T Erique [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: name From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 12:58:40 EST Maybe it's just me, but I find Bit Rave extremely boring. I think Interface is a very good name. "A Synergistic Gathering of Peace, Unity and Energy Where CyberSpace Meets RealSpace". --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:26:03 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: Re: Interface > > > Is there a tentative location and date set for this gathering? How > big do you want this to be? > > Darshan > djesrani@center.colgate.edu INTERFACE (if that's what it ends up being called) is tentatively going to be held at the Freight Yard in Allentown, PA the 26th of February or there around. We're hoping for a crowd of about 600. If we get the chill out room open, we'd like 800-900. Sound good? Peace and unity, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:30:13 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: Re: name > Maybe it's just me, but I find Bit Rave extremely boring. I >think Interface is a very good name. "A Synergistic Gathering of Peace, >Unity and Energy Where CyberSpace Meets RealSpace" >Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) This sounds fantastic. Good input, Inhuman. What does anyone else think, Sines? Todd, I'll let you know in a week or so what the more definate dates, times, and DJs are. We have Smart Drinks by DNA and two of my friends have been doing them. I'll see if they need any help, though. Peace and unity brothers and sisters, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 14:15:04 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Revelation! (12/26) Shannon and I are going to this, is anyone else? Maybe we could meet before hand? Ciamac. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 20 Dec 1992 14:53:07 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: toxic beatbox hello everyone. i just want to say thank you thank you thank you to everyone who drove out to new haven last night to see us play. it really meant a lot to me to see you guys there. it was really cool. as for the show... well..lemme just say it was very very random. john called me about a half and hour before i left for tune inn and we decided that he was gonna bring some of his synths so we could do our LUNIK song at the end of my set. well, when we got there and met up with john, we decided..oh what the hell,.. why don't you play all our songs with us! john has never heard the songs before.. but it was so fucking cool!! he just sat up there behind his 303 droppin in basslines and hitting the split 8 keys... meanwhile.. since the sound system sucked. i was hunched (hahdkoah! eh, blynch ..?? hee.) the mixing board mixing the shit on the fly so it sounded ok with my arms stretched up on the jupiter playing acid acid acid...dietrich proceeded to drop in the samples and make BIG noises on the moog. it was very very chaotik up on stage.. but really really fun. i've now added john to the permanent live crew! apparently, people actually liked it! and kept wanting to hear more.. so dietrich staring throwing in random dats of songs of his.. which I hadn't even heard.. all the suddent his breakbeat songs comes on..john continues to drop the 303...i searched frantikally through some emax disks i brought and layed some samples over it.. weird... the crowd was cool.. and seemed to be into it. it really sounded like shit from up on stage.. john and i wore headphones so we could hear what the hell we were doing..ed said that it in fact sounded fine from the audience.. so, that's cool. there were only about 125-150 people there...but it was a fun crowd. mm?? well, that's all i can think of now.. maybe someone else will make a better report of it.. thanks again for coming down.. and supporting me! >>taylor.biomechanikal.artificially.intelligent.lifeform [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:26:03 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: Re: Interface > > > Is there a tentative location and date set for this gathering? How > big do you want this to be? > > Darshan > djesrani@center.colgate.edu INTERFACE (if that's what it ends up being called) is tentatively going to be held at the Freight Yard in Allentown, PA the 26th of February or there around. We're hoping for a crowd of about 600. If we get the chill out room open, we'd like 800-900. Sound good? Peace and unity, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:40:49 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: New Year's, Catastrophic --> DC anyone? Hi Nina, I don't know how you can get down to DC from Boston, but a bunch of us from the UM RaveCoaliton are doing EveCon X directly after the New Year's Rave, so let us know if you need a place to crash in between. Look for the Catalyst Dance Party friday night in the ballroom, which I and thalx@wam.umd.edu and allon@intercon.com are doing. (If you can stand any more techno :) -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 13:30:13 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: Re: name > Maybe it's just me, but I find Bit Rave extremely boring. I >think Interface is a very good name. "A Synergistic Gathering of Peace, >Unity and Energy Where CyberSpace Meets RealSpace" >Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) This sounds fantastic. Good input, Inhuman. What does anyone else think, Sines? Todd, I'll let you know in a week or so what the more definate dates, times, and DJs are. We have Smart Drinks by DNA and two of my friends have been doing them. I'll see if they need any help, though. Peace and unity brothers and sisters, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== d i r e c t f r o m (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm . . . o u t o f t h i s w o r l d c y b e r - w e a r =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: toxic beatbox Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 17:27:21 EST [Overly modest description of the music deleted] > the crowd was cool.. and seemed to be into it. it really sounded like shit > from up on stage.. john and i wore headphones so we could hear what the hell > we were doing..ed said that it in fact sounded fine from the audience.. so, > that's cool. there were only about 125-150 people there...but it was a fun > crowd. Ahh, yes. Performance in the Real World, where Maxwell's equations and the speed of sound hold sway. No cyberspace here, guys. What's it mean? It means that Taylor, John and Dietrich will *never* know what their own stuff sounds like to the audience, because they'll always be on stage. Last night was a pointed initiation onto a new plane of faith. They'll just plain have to believe us when we say that their set was *DOPE*! The place jumped. What Taylor wrote off as random musical hacking was really the synergy that musicians have on stage, which is a dimension of music that you can't put on a DAT. The venue had almost everything wrong with it that a place that size could have, as far as sound goes. Lots of flat, parallel and perpendicular sur- faces, including the ceiling. Not a Sonex panel in sight. A ceiling height of about 15ft meant tne main speakers had to sit on the floor. The PA was put together with the same traps and pitfalls that you see in so many other places. The most egregious was that while the mains were really nice (5kW into JBL bins), the side monitors were ok but underpowered, and the floor wedges might as well not have been there. And even if they were adequate, they could not have overpowered the reflection of the mains off the acoustic- mirror back wall. What this all means is that our heroes were basically flying blind. That's why they had to resort to headphones. After a few thousand more gigs, they'll get used to it, but it'll never be easy. But you'd never know it from the sound. They rocked like they had been playing together for years. So why is djSLiP sounding so much like soundmanSLiP? Because dear Laura was, shall we say, a mite generous in her praise to the house soundman of my own abilities in that area. But once he and I got back into the booth, the truth came out (that I had really only done a few minor six-channel- powered-mixer type gigs), he became the teacher and I the student, as it well should be. I learned *so much* about running a sound board in a REAL(tm) venue that I'd never learn just DJing. As for DJing, I threw my crate into the car, and ended up spinning (clum- sily) for awhile. The lessons I learned were much more than adequate com- pensation for my meager services. What a great night. Good crowd, good music, good people to work with. It's amazing what you get when you take the ravers' mentality of peace and unity into the otherwise attitude-laden club world. Thanks, guys, for the opportunity. So when do we do this again? -Ed djSLiP?? X gets the square [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: toxic beatbox Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 17:27:21 EST [Overly modest description of the music deleted] > the crowd was cool.. and seemed to be into it. it really sounded like shit > from up on stage.. john and i wore headphones so we could hear what the hell > we were doing..ed said that it in fact sounded fine from the audience.. so, > that's cool. there were only about 125-150 people there...but it was a fun > crowd. Ahh, yes. Performance in the Real World, where Maxwell's equations and the speed of sound hold sway. No cyberspace here, guys. What's it mean? It means that Taylor, John and Dietrich will *never* know what their own stuff sounds like to the audience, because they'll always be on stage. Last night was a pointed initiation onto a new plane of faith. They'll just plain have to believe us when we say that their set was *DOPE*! The place jumped. What Taylor wrote off as random musical hacking was really the synergy that musicians have on stage, which is a dimension of music that you can't put on a DAT. The venue had almost everything wrong with it that a place that size could have, as far as sound goes. Lots of flat, parallel and perpendicular sur- faces, including the ceiling. Not a Sonex panel in sight. A ceiling height of about 15ft meant tne main speakers had to sit on the floor. The PA was put together with the same traps and pitfalls that you see in so many other places. The most egregious was that while the mains were really nice (5kW into JBL bins), the side monitors were ok but underpowered, and the floor wedges might as well not have been there. And even if they were adequate, they could not have overpowered the reflection of the mains off the acoustic- mirror back wall. What this all means is that our heroes were basically flying blind. That's why they had to resort to headphones. After a few thousand more gigs, they'll get used to it, but it'll never be easy. But you'd never know it from the sound. They rocked like they had been playing together for years. So why is djSLiP sounding so much like soundmanSLiP? Because dear Laura was, shall we say, a mite generous in her praise to the house soundman of my own abilities in that area. But once he and I got back into the booth, the truth came out (that I had really only done a few minor six-channel- powered-mixer type gigs), he became the teacher and I the student, as it well should be. I learned *so much* about running a sound board in a REAL(tm) venue that I'd never learn just DJing. As for DJing, I threw my crate into the car, and ended up spinning (clum- sily) for awhile. The lessons I learned were much more than adequate com- pensation for my meager services. What a great night. Good crowd, good music, good people to work with. It's amazing what you get when you take the ravers' mentality of peace and unity into the otherwise attitude-laden club world. Thanks, guys, for the opportunity. So when do we do this again? -Ed djSLiP?? X gets the square [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 19:03:51 EST Subject: Cybertribe gig... This my vote on our gig, I think I N T E R F A C E should be it!. I like it, it's Simple, and straight forward. Peace, TAREQ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: luCiD Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 20:42:13 EST Subject: dec 31 primal or catastrophic? opinions?.... (I'm leaning toward Catastrophic, but I live right outside NYC). going home tomorrow... :) luCiD [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:23:04 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: transport and promotion stuff Whenerver there is a rave flier, you usually see the names of a few record stores and their numbers selling tickets. I always wondered, do youthey tget a commision or a do they charge a fee for distributing these tickets? just another thing to think about for the rave... Digital Druid (more posts to come....) music ofs is for the mind and the body......music for the mind and the body... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 23:24:33 -0500 Subject: toxic beatbox and tune inn ... wow, i almost didn't go to this, but i am GLAD i did!! it was way cool meeting even more ne-ravers: marla, mrSparkle, doug(at american), chris(at mit), mike (perkowitz), and their friends! well, it seems that new haven is HARDCORE. it seems it's all they dig, and it's what they got, from both toxic beatbox and the DJ(s). those last songs you played ("encore!") were INCREDIBLE ! an intense jam that the audience was VERY into! and near the end there, that hardcore trance the DJ was playing, WOW WOW WOW .. it certainly put me into a trance! i wish there were more people there, but it was cool anyway, with a vibe and all ... who was that guy from hartford signing up all the ravers for HARDCORE HARTFORD ? it would be cool to see a scene get started there! (although, he was planning a rave for jan. 16, and we know where we're all gonna be that nite, right? :)) all in all, a pretty much hardcore nite (thanks to whoever spun "age of love" near the beginning), but not an annoying one, lots of variety.. good good stuff! like ed said, when is this happening again??? question about REVELATION: is it too late if i don't have tix by sunday (dec. 20) ?? peace!! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:07:39 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: .lovepeaceilovemycyberfamily wow...after missing only 1 week of mail, it I come back to 400 new messages. so, this will mbe mie filled with a lot of different ramblings... -remember way back when you guys were talkinggosh it made me sad to read all the cool stuff you guys posted about the party @laura's the other week... aabout videotaping the rave: I always see people at the catastrophic raves mading king video arcrecording the event to tape..although I dont' know what they do with them. I remember wonone rave when the guys  with the video recorder was on this sort of scaffold on whelels (taping from like 20 feet about eve the floor..really cool. I'm gso happy to see all this talk of the ne-r**** R***. I think that I we (umravers) can pool our recspossible ywe (umravers) could possibly pool together our reasoursources and do lasers... maybe we could convince thalx@wam to bring his argon ( look of glee ). If you want to someone to try to I wouldn't mind trying to get the DC record stores to carry tickets for the event. ugh...I love the -i n t e r f a c e- idea. about 150 mestgsegesssages before peopleeveryone else did :) how far ahead of toiime should fliers be distributesd? now would be 2 miothnths (...this seems a bit much, but I could be wrong. also we should figure on how many nepoeple eople from the list will come and how many of thour friends will come,..to have a rough idea of how many tickets will be distributed to record stores for peopele that none of us know... could somsone e one make up a definite list of expenses that wile will hadve to pay for either up front or otherwise. ( this is so exciting ....) GIl gil (digital druid) cyberhippies cyberkeegeeks cyberpun(k)s.....unite! cyber ite! cuber cybertribe 4-ever!1! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:25:30 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: toxic beatbox no, thank YOU taylor, john, and dietrich for a great set. it was completely my pleasure. some of the time i swayed slightly and did things with my hands (or my ball chain; you guys must have thought i was hooked on that thing); some of the time i bounded around the floor like a madman; and some of the time i stood right in front of the speaker and tried to absorb the whole damn thing. really guys, it sounded good from the floor and i think everyone was into it. i was also glad to meet some more of the cybertribe. and i appreciated the opportunity to drool over taylor and john's equipment (their MUSICAL equipment, dammit). in sum: i had a great time. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 21 Dec 1992 00:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: INTERFACE, Revelation, 303, et al. Regarding INTERFACE.. If there's a need for DJs, I can try to help.. I know two DJs (one from Primal, and one from Satellite [Sputnik, Explorer]) who would probably like to play there.. I'm sure you all know many DJs too, but if you need more for some reason, let me know and I won't hesitate to ask either one of them. They are both very good.. Regarding Revelation.. I was wondering if there is anyone going to Revelation from anywhere near (or North of) the Poughkeepsie, NY area who would be willing to give me a ride. I don't even have a ticket (I got home from school on Saturday, the 19th, and tickets supposedly went off-sale today (the 20th)).. But if anyone has any suggestions as far as the ticket situation is concerned, I would love to go.. Thanks very much in advance. One more thing.. I have been looking around for a 303 for awhile, and have talked to many a music store to no avail. I have called around endlessly, but haven't been able to find one (I keep getting put on lists and such..) Does anyone know where I can find one? I have a lot of ideas that the 303 would fit into really nicely, and would like to work them out.. Thanks a lot. Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 21 Dec 1992 01:22:36 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: toxic beatbox and tune inn ... hehehehehe.. donato.. that was me who spun "age of love" way in the beginning of the night.. ou don't think i'd let you guys get away with not hearing that.. did ya? :) >.taylor.808.dream.state [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: toxic beatbox and tune inn ... Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 2:06:00 EST > it was way cool meeting even more ne-ravers: marla, mrSparkle, > doug(at american), chris(at mit), mike (perkowitz), and their > friends! Wow, this is what I get for spending all my time in the sound booth. Mike I talked to for awhile, but the rest, most of whom I already know by email, I completely missed (or talked to you and didn't know it :-)! (FYI, I was the one running frantically between the sound booth, the stage and a few other places, wearing a blue and green stripey thing, and a white and blue THINK hat.) Oh well, I guess I'll try harder to meet everyone at the next event. > well, it seems that new haven is HARDCORE. it seems it's all they > dig, and it's what they got, from both toxic beatbox and the > DJ(s). No doubt. As soon as I'd start to play some "normal" (whatever that means) trance or acid, the floor seemed to always clear, but as long as we spun the harder stuff, people kept moving. If that's the kind of crowd we get at Interface, then it's the chillout room for djSLiP. BTW, the main DJ was Jon ("27"). I spun for maybe 90 minutes total. I'd like to keep him in mind for Interface. ("Alles Naar de Kl--te" was a request. Forgive him. :-) Like Donato pointed out, the trance he spins is still pretty close to hardcore, and his all-out hardcore, well, everything I had, he also had (like all the Industrial Strength stuff, etc.). And personally, this guy is seriously cool. I have his name & number for whoever ends up coordinating DJs for Interface. Oh, a little more Interface stuff: I talked to Spike at Planet X about it. He said that for tickets, he gets a dollar for each one he sells, which he claims is the going rate for all the ticket sellers (like Vinyl Mania, etc.). Also he said he asks $75 or $100 to spin for an hour, and he'll play pretty much whatever he's asked to, but prefers to stay away from hardcore. I suspect he leans more toward progressive house or breakbeat. I haven't had a chance to talk to Dayz-X-One yet. One last thing -- did anyone go to Universal Vibe in Hoboken? How was it? I heard that Kool-Rave in Philly got busted. -Ed ${djSLiP} Bass in the Place [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 21 Dec 1992 02:33:36 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: INTERFACE i talked to denard a couple days ago. he might be interested in spinning for our rave. personally, i think he's one of the best djs out there.. his trance stuff is phenomenal...if we're intersted in having him (who's in charge of getting the djs? mars?) then he needs more details.. and he's around $120 an hour... if whoever is coordinating the dj stuff would be interested in talking to denard.. let me know and i'll mail you his #. >>taylor.start:028340.end:120500 "bass in the goddamn place" i wonder if the club/rave owners were offended by n-joi calling their join joint.. a "goddamn place".. :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:25:30 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: toxic beatbox no, thank YOU taylor, john, and dietrich for a great set. it was completely my pleasure. some of the time i swayed slightly and did things with my hands (or my ball chain; you guys must have thought i was hooked on that thing); some of the time i bounded around the floor like a madman; and some of the time i stood right in front of the speaker and tried to absorb the whole damn thing. really guys, it sounded good from the floor and i think everyone was into it. i was also glad to meet some more of the cybertribe. and i appreciated the opportunity to drool over taylor and john's equipment (their MUSICAL equipment, dammit). in sum: i had a great time. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:43:13 -0500 (EST) From: Michael F Hauben Subject: Essence in L0ng Island Hello all, While I'm finishing up here with finals, I'm thinking ahead to next semester. I'm definatly going to go to Essence because I'll be around and it'll be before classes even start, so I have no excuse not to do it, and sleep all the next day. ;) Anyways, I know this might be early to ask, but I'm definatly going to need a ride. I live on campus at Columbia, which is 116th + Broadway in the Upper West Side. I hope to hook up with some of you! Happy Holidays, -Michael hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: I N T E R F A C E From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:03:04 EST Okay, I designed a little preliminary flyer for "Interface", assuming that's what we're going to call it. The name can be changed easily enough. Just a simple little black and white one, but it looks at least as good as most of the B&W flyers I've seen. I think two months in advance is not at all too early to start promoting it. People will pick up a vague flyer at a club or a rave in early January, and then they'll pick up the full color one in Febuary or something and go to it. Anyway, the flyer looks something like this: The NE-RAVES Cybertribe Presents I N T E R F A C E A Synergistic Gathering of Peace, Unity, and Enrgy Where CyberSpace Meets RealSpace Leave Your Attitudes, Angst Coming in Febuary and Alcohol at Home. to the Freight Yard Only For Those Dedicated to at Allentown, PA Positive Force and Dance Energy All of this is layed on top of this sort of circuitboard pattern that looks pretty cool. There's also the ne-raves mail address and a little swirling atom picture. ASCII doesn't do it justice, but it's a nice little preliminary thing. It's in CDR Corel Draw format. If someone wants, I'll upload it to some FTP site. I assume the MSDOS version of Corel Draw is compatible with other platforms (if there are any). So, can't we at least agree on a date? And what's the address to this freight yard place? --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 12:36:20 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Name voting will not happen It seems that the names are already being decided upon, and that tsines is going ahead and doing what he wants without responding to two separ- ate messages that I sent, two days apart. With that, and with the fact that I will be away for a few days and will probably have read-only access to ne-raves, I will not be handling the name voting. It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. It could even be an Internet failure somewhere. That's why I sent a couple of messages to tsines and waited between them. Thanks to the few people that sent me names, but you might as well just continue to flood the list with discussion about it, since that's what everyone is doing anyway. It doesn't make sense to have a duplication of effort, and I don't really have the time to do it if someone else already is. I just volunteered in the first place as an offer to contribute something. I suppose that whatever the thing is called in the long run is not all that important, but it looked like something I could do. (For those who don't know what this is about, tsines and I both posted messages saying we would take care of the name voting, after Laura sent out a message asking people to stand up and volunteer for specific things). One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: LIQUID HOLIDAY From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:00:14 EST Just got a more detailed flyer in the mail today for Liquid Holiday. Looks really good... The flyer is great, too... full color ray-traced drawing. Anyway, here are the specs: TONKA Productions invites you to a new dimension in a third dimension L I Q U I D H O L I D A Y Saturday January 9th, 1993, 10pm-10am a tribal gathering is planned to bring out the masses for a celebration. Like robots from the mist, we'll rise to unite for a night of revelry and enlightenment to experience supernatural sound and lighting emanating through out your minds carrying you into an ecstacy of enchantment found only in your deepest dreams. Navigating The Dance Floors: LENNY DEE FRANKIE BONES Industrial Strength Brooklyn (Storm) WINK DANTE Philly Evolution ONIONZ DEBO Long Island Boston JAMES CHRISTIAN SCOTT HENRY Long Island Washington, D.C. LIEVEN DE GEYNDT BOBBLE Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe FRANKIE HARTUNG LG Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe MICHAEL MEACHAM SOUND REALITY ILLUMINATING REALITY 40,000 Watts of Booming Bass for a Loving Rave Ultimate Intellabeams LASERTAINMENT'S Emulators 20 Watt Multicolor Argon Lasers Data Flash Strobes SMART BAR & MIND MACHINES Visual Stimulations by Neuro Energy TICKET INFO: Tickets will be sold at MusicNow 202.638.3272 (D.C.) Modern Music 410.523.1882 (Balt.) $15 Starting Jan 3rd THROUGH Sat Jan 9th TONKA INFO LINE: 703.912.6767 BUS TRAVEL & INFO New Jersey - Michael Chrissi & Beth - 908.727.6527 New Jersey - Planet X Digital Deviants - 908.249.0304 Brooklyn - Groove Records - 718.714.5232 Boston - Mindwarp - 617.266.1987 Philly - Dead by Dawn - 215.552.8833 Philly - Wink - 215.292.4666 Greensboro N.C. - Spins - 919.274.8530 Raleigh N.C. - Mystere Prod. - 919.829.9719 Pittsburg - TurboZen - 412.621.7759 Baltimore - Atomic Vibe - 410.235.1131 SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERY ONE WHO HAS MADE THE UNDERGROUND A REALITY AND HAS MADE IT EVOLVE TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. LOVE & PEACE. "evolve to where it is today"? above ground? ah, nevermind... --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Having fun 8) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:13:15 EST It looks like people had a great time this weekend listening to djSlip/toxic... It was not the case in Montreal (i mean having a great time...). Went to the Jingle Rave (which had a change of name: SexRave... but i didn't know until i got in) sunday. Got there, big lineup, 20 deg F. I use my usual way of getting in: i go directly to the door, and enter. Of course the bouncer will usually ask me to return to the line, to which i answer: "Francois Dion, from CISM". Of course he has probably not heard of me, but he doesn't say a thing and let me get in, cause as any doorman knows, you never mess with radio or tv peoples. So up to here, i tought it was pretty cool. Now, 4$ (+1$ for coat check) later i'm inside. At this point i notice Madonna pictures (from her book) on the walls and some poster with the name SexRave... Now what happened to the jingle rave? Oh, what the hell. I'll check it out anyway. I do a quick check of the 2nd floor where some people come to me and say "salut francois" or "hi francois" (as you can guess i'm regularly in raves / rave clubs). Then i go down to the first floor. Now the music is not bad, but the DJ is the worst (close to beginner) i have heard. Go up to the booth to see who he his: it's the usual Fac DJ... a friend of the owner who works for almost nothing (he's worth it). ARRRGGGGH! Cannot get worse? Yup. He plays at one point: Rhythm is a dancer! and continues with lots of mainstream dance. But the worst is yet to come. At some point the DJ announces that there are 2 bottles of champaign (now you know at that point that you're in the wrong place) to give away, just after the dance show. I stayed just out of curiosity, but i was bored liked hell. So, 4 people come up on stage in monks clothes (a la KLF), with silver masks. Could be cool... Nope. They remove the " " and start to dance, but the DJ fucks up the mix (what do you expect) and everything comes to a halt. Then there's the cherry on the sunday: Kc Lmnop (a stupid guy from NY who's supposed to be a rapper. Yeah right. He looks like an Hells angels biker to me) who starts to speak blahblahblah... give away 2 bottles of champaign to the first girl to bring him her bra, and the first guy to bring him his boxers... Pretty boring stuff if you ask me... Then the music starts, but i'm so bored at this point, that i just say goodbye to my friends (some already left) and go home. At 2 am. The first time ever i get home so early. Oh well... should have know better. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:56:54 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: Holiday Rave Suggestions? OK...Here's the scoop. Me and my pals up here in the great white north are wondering what's going on over the Christmas Holidays (including, and especially, New Year's Eve) as far as raves go. I know about Catastrophic, but that's probably too far for us (2 days just to get there!). Has anyone heard anything about Primal in NYC? Anything in Boston or Portland? What about Montreal, Toronto, or even Halifax? Finally, does anybody think they'll be going to 'Journey throught the hardcore Part II'? It looks wicked. I can't imagine raving to "Pennies from Heaven" by Inner City...LIVE! I just might implode.... AJAX [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:18:07 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: revelation tickets hi. i called allston beat today,. they said that they still have tickets for revealtion, but today is the last day to get them. (this is in boston on newbury street) so get them if you didn't yet!!!!!!!! -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english why waste your time? @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Holiday Rave Suggestions? Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 18:28:39 EST Beyond the ultraworld of ajackson: > > OK...Here's the scoop. Me and my pals up here in the great white north are > wondering what's going on over the Christmas Holidays (including, and > especially, New Year's Eve) as far as raves go. I know about Catastrophic, but > that's probably too far for us (2 days just to get there!). Has anyone heard > anything about Primal in NYC? Anything in Boston or Portland? What about > Montreal, Toronto, or even Halifax? Finally, does anybody think they'll be In Montreal you will not find huge raves. But you can find some cool very underground ones (500 people). There's one on the 26th on notre-dames street in the old Montreal. If you are interested, email me. Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Interface flyer Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:04:49 EST > Okay, I designed a little preliminary flyer for "Interface", > assuming that's what we're going to call it. > > Leave Your Attitudes, Angst > and Alcohol at Home. > Only For Those Dedicated to > Positive Force and > Dance Energy I dunno about this part. I support the idea of "no alcohol, no attitude" on a flyer but I think it should be less confrontational than the way you have it worded. The flyer should be merely informative, letting people know that there won't be any booze or crap-up-with-which-to-put there. I would think (although you probably know the Brooklyn crowd better than me) that something along those lines, the fact that it is located where it is, and the need to purchase tickets in advance would be enough to discourage the people who would want to show up expecting/turning it into a frightening college bar scene. Remember that everything that goes on the flyer is speaking to ALL the recipients of the flyer... the part quoted above seems to be speaking just to the Undesirables [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:12:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Holiday Rave Suggestions? well, yes, there's a rave in Providence, RI, new year's eve: (i guess laura will put it in the rave o matic, but i'll post it for the hell of it :)) THURSDAY DECEMBER, 31 1992 10PM - 6AM (legal location in providence, RI) Mayhem rave into the future with (Rise) live fireworks on a 240 ft video projection screen Overload (sky high) Visuals by GlowWorm Osheen +10,000 w. of (michelangelo) sonic vibe Tim Ryan STAY TUNED smart bar (venus) Savage alcohol & drug free (metamorphosis) info: 401 - 621 - 7563 tickets: $9 in advance $12 day of rave; map with tickets luna-sea 401 - 272 - LUNA rainbow records 401 - 331 - 6660 loft (boston 21 stanhope st) 617 - 262 - 2121 a portion on the proceeds will be donated to Alumni Association (oops, forgot the front :)) ---> ORACLE Productions presents NOVA rave in the new year well, looks like i'll be there, cuz i'm not drivin to DC! see ya there! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:31:14 EST > It seems that the names are already being decided upon, and that tsines > is going ahead and doing what he wants without responding to two separ- > ate messages that I sent, two days apart. I am not defending Todd, but he does work two jobs (sometimes 3) and has been putting in mucho hours at Kinky's lately. We're trying to get my old Apple //e and modem to work at his house but so far no luck; he can only log in from the computer labs and usually his time there is limited. Okay, so maybe I am defending him. I admit he did jump the gun on the design issue, doing up a "bit rave" flyer before people had had a chance to discuss it, but don't flame him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. > It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is > not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and > people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, The problem is not your being one of the 'wrong people' or new to the rave scene or whatever. Your newness to the scene is irrelevant, and most of the people on the list are not so judgemental as to say 'fuck him, he's a geek, no REAL raver would be so democratic.' > perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. I feel bad for the people who haven't checked their mail lately or are away on winter break, for some of them may have had some quality input on the matter. It's not too late, actually, we could still bounce around some new ideas. INTERFACE just popped up as an alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... > One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you > (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting > one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? ...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. The spontaneity of this is the best part -- we are getting things organized so quickly that there WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. On Monday there was a proposal for our own rave. By Tuesday people were volunteering equipment. By Wednesday Mars had secured a venue. By Thursday a flood of possible names had poured in. Over the next few days people were already doing up flyers, offering to play live, and 'deciding' upon a name. I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be diminished. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:31:14 EST > It seems that the names are already being decided upon, and that tsines > is going ahead and doing what he wants without responding to two separ- > ate messages that I sent, two days apart. I am not defending Todd, but he does work two jobs (sometimes 3) and has been putting in mucho hours at Kinky's lately. We're trying to get my old Apple //e and modem to work at his house but so far no luck; he can only log in from the computer labs and usually his time there is limited. Okay, so maybe I am defending him. I admit he did jump the gun on the design issue, doing up a "bit rave" flyer before people had had a chance to discuss it, but don't flame him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. > It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is > not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and > people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, The problem is not your being one of the 'wrong people' or new to the rave scene or whatever. Your newness to the scene is irrelevant, and most of the people on the list are not so judgemental as to say 'fuck him, he's a geek, no REAL raver would be so democratic.' > perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. I feel bad for the people who haven't checked their mail lately or are away on winter break, for some of them may have had some quality input on the matter. It's not too late, actually, we could still bounce around some new ideas. INTERFACE just popped up as an alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... > One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you > (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting > one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? ...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. The spontaneity of this is the best part -- we are getting things organized so quickly that there WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. On Monday there was a proposal for our own rave. By Tuesday people were volunteering equipment. By Wednesday Mars had secured a venue. By Thursday a flood of possible names had poured in. Over the next few days people were already doing up flyers, offering to play live, and 'deciding' upon a name. I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be diminished. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:31:14 EST > It seems that the names are already being decided upon, and that tsines > is going ahead and doing what he wants without responding to two separ- > ate messages that I sent, two days apart. I am not defending Todd, but he does work two jobs (sometimes 3) and has been putting in mucho hours at Kinky's lately. We're trying to get my old Apple //e and modem to work at his house but so far no luck; he can only log in from the computer labs and usually his time there is limited. Okay, so maybe I am defending him. I admit he did jump the gun on the design issue, doing up a "bit rave" flyer before people had had a chance to discuss it, but don't flame him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. > It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is > not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and > people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, The problem is not your being one of the 'wrong people' or new to the rave scene or whatever. Your newness to the scene is irrelevant, and most of the people on the list are not so judgemental as to say 'fuck him, he's a geek, no REAL raver would be so democratic.' > perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. I feel bad for the people who haven't checked their mail lately or are away on winter break, for some of them may have had some quality input on the matter. It's not too late, actually, we could still bounce around some new ideas. INTERFACE just popped up as an alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... > One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you > (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting > one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? ...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. The spontaneity of this is the best part -- we are getting things organized so quickly that there WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. On Monday there was a proposal for our own rave. By Tuesday people were volunteering equipment. By Wednesday Mars had secured a venue. By Thursday a flood of possible names had poured in. Over the next few days people were already doing up flyers, offering to play live, and 'deciding' upon a name. I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be diminished. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:31:14 EST > It seems that the names are already being decided upon, and that tsines > is going ahead and doing what he wants without responding to two separ- > ate messages that I sent, two days apart. I am not defending Todd, but he does work two jobs (sometimes 3) and has been putting in mucho hours at Kinky's lately. We're trying to get my old Apple //e and modem to work at his house but so far no luck; he can only log in from the computer labs and usually his time there is limited. Okay, so maybe I am defending him. I admit he did jump the gun on the design issue, doing up a "bit rave" flyer before people had had a chance to discuss it, but don't flame him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. > It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is > not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and > people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, The problem is not your being one of the 'wrong people' or new to the rave scene or whatever. Your newness to the scene is irrelevant, and most of the people on the list are not so judgemental as to say 'fuck him, he's a geek, no REAL raver would be so democratic.' > perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. I feel bad for the people who haven't checked their mail lately or are away on winter break, for some of them may have had some quality input on the matter. It's not too late, actually, we could still bounce around some new ideas. INTERFACE just popped up as an alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... > One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you > (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting > one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? ...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. The spontaneity of this is the best part -- we are getting things organized so quickly that there WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. On Monday there was a proposal for our own rave. By Tuesday people were volunteering equipment. By Wednesday Mars had secured a venue. By Thursday a flood of possible names had poured in. Over the next few days people were already doing up flyers, offering to play live, and 'deciding' upon a name. I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be diminished. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:31:14 EST > It seems that the names are already being decided upon, and that tsines > is going ahead and doing what he wants without responding to two separ- > ate messages that I sent, two days apart. I am not defending Todd, but he does work two jobs (sometimes 3) and has been putting in mucho hours at Kinky's lately. We're trying to get my old Apple //e and modem to work at his house but so far no luck; he can only log in from the computer labs and usually his time there is limited. Okay, so maybe I am defending him. I admit he did jump the gun on the design issue, doing up a "bit rave" flyer before people had had a chance to discuss it, but don't flame him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. > It's too bad that when someone volunteers to help, that that offer is > not accepted. Perhaps it's because I'm new to the rave scene and > people think I'm one of the 'wrong people' who will come to **BIT RAVE**, The problem is not your being one of the 'wrong people' or new to the rave scene or whatever. Your newness to the scene is irrelevant, and most of the people on the list are not so judgemental as to say 'fuck him, he's a geek, no REAL raver would be so democratic.' > perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. I feel bad for the people who haven't checked their mail lately or are away on winter break, for some of them may have had some quality input on the matter. It's not too late, actually, we could still bounce around some new ideas. INTERFACE just popped up as an alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... > One thing I wonder, and this is not meant to be a flame, is that if you > (we?) can't even come up with a simple name or a procedure for getting > one, how is there ever going to be a rave in two months? ...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. The spontaneity of this is the best part -- we are getting things organized so quickly that there WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. On Monday there was a proposal for our own rave. By Tuesday people were volunteering equipment. By Wednesday Mars had secured a venue. By Thursday a flood of possible names had poured in. Over the next few days people were already doing up flyers, offering to play live, and 'deciding' upon a name. I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be diminished. Mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: toxic beatbox Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 22:00:30 EST Despite the admonitions of my girlfriend, Jennifer, who couldn't believe I was going to take a 3 hour bus ride to go to a club, I ventured out to beautiful downtown New Haven Sat. night (to be honest New Haven makes Providence look like a bustling metropolis) to attend Tune Inn in order to take in the musical mastery of taylor and co. along with the hardcore mayhem of john27 (Richard 23's older brother?). About 10 minutes after arriving to a near empty house I knew the "ne-raves posse" was somewhat in control of the proceedings as "Lock On Target" came blasting over the speakers. A few of you came scampering onto the dance floor and with some deductive reasoning I think I was able to identify John, Laura, Ed, Donato and Taylor. After a bit, John and Taylor (I think) started adding their own flourishes to the music using their equipment on the stage. In a nutshell, I really enjoyed the music that the DJs played -- a lot of Industrial Strength/Probe nasty shit but found it difficult to really 'lose' myself since the floor was so sparse for most of the night. I guess my own energy is my primary fuel for long dancing bouts but the energy bath of a semi-dense crowd is what usually pushes me over the edge. A mean-free-path of about 8 ft. between molecules...I mean dancers is ideal IMO (can you tell, I'm a physics geek ;> ). Without the energy of a substantial crowd I found myself doing a shuffle-dance most of the night when usually such music would have me floundering like a worm on a hook. On the other hand, the people who were there were obviously very 'into' the music. Taylor's band came on around 12:15. I was really surprised to have read the posts that you guys were basically winging it up there because to me you sounded like you were very well integrated. I was very impressed! As I've mentioned before, I'd love to get cassettes of Toxic Beatbox/LUNIK's stuff, e-mail me if you have anything for sale. After the band, the 'crowd' started dissipating fairly quickly. I noticed that a bunch of you guys started accumulating on the stage where John (I believe) seemed to be fiddling with his PowerBook. God, you guys really are geeks!! (:> once again...). Although I really liked the stuff that was played, a little variety would have been nice. I wasn't surprised when the house lights came on at 3:30, the place was turning into a dormitory. I sadly remembered that at this time at Metamorphosis things were really crazy. Forgoing an opportunity to get a ride back to Worcester from Donato (thanks anyway!) I wandered around Yale for awhile and then scooted back home on the bus, arriving back in Boston a nice, round 12 hours after I had left the night before. -Chris (The Shy Guy with the [train] engineer's cap) P.S. I'm going to be in Toronto from Dec. 23rd - Jan. 3rd and am hoping that there is something going on a wee bit smaller than the Chemistry sponsered events which sound to big to be fun from my perspective. Can anyone clue me in? See ya... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:15:01 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Call for contributions/Revelation Subject: Revelation Hacker Info Booth ............... Call for contributions... The Evolution Vibe tribe is soliciting interesting info-files that might have some bearing on empowering technology for the rave scene.. Information solicited on all relevant positive topics... Form photocopies/art/collage/found objects/samples/cheese Subset:you This means you. Contact Dante @ (212) 714.8288 this information may be displayed at the evolution booth at revelation... possible alternative info-funnel revar@aol.com (Chuck) ...... Chris. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:20:07 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: HELP I'M DROWNING THis list has huge traffic. Is there any possibility of: a) splitting it into an announcements list and a chat list, or an announcements list and a PA-planning committee list? b) or, how about a daily digest? This can be done automatically in software. Thanks, glug, glug glug.... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: toxic beatbox Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:42:57 EST > I knew the "ne-raves posse" > was somewhat in control of the proceedings as "Lock On Target" came > blasting over the speakers. A few of you came scampering onto the > dance floor and with some deductive reasoning I think I was able to > identify John, Laura, Ed, Donato and Taylor. Well, unless it was during one of my trips to the stage, it wasn't me on the floor, since I was the one who *played* Lock On Target! > In a nutshell, I really enjoyed the music that the DJs played -- > a lot of Industrial Strength/Probe nasty shit but found it difficult > to really 'lose' myself since the floor was so sparse for most of the > night. The problem seemed to me to be that the crowd was *sooo* hardcore. They just weren't into trance or ambient, unless it was the harder "trance-core" that 27 had (which was some really good shit, BTW). Between us, we played almost the entire Industrial Strength cata- log, both Trac-x and Trac-k, and a bunch of other stuff. But you're right, there would have been more of a vibe if more people were there. Maybe Tune Inn will become something like The Loft or NASA, but it's not quite there yet. -Ed <> respect [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 0:03:41 EST > But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we > don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' > In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. Remember too that the name is the most mutable aspect of an event. Changing the name won't kill an event as fast as changing the location, DJ list, date/time, etc. Not only that, the name is also the thing that's open to input from the widest number of people. There isn't a whole lot to discuss when selecting turntables: 1200's. The only issue with location is how accessible it is to the largest numbers of ne- ravers. Venue was not an issue for this event because it was presented to us at the outset. Regarding the adoption of the name "interface" notwithstanding volunteer vote-takers (and I originally voted for Bit Rave), each of us has to judge for ourselves whether that was truly an action of the group con- science, or just a vocal minority latching on to it. Sort of like DJ selection: If, say, djSLiP ends up on the lineup, is it because people really like what he plays and how he plays it, or is it because he is a vocal enough poster to this list and frequent enough attendee at pre-rave ravettes that he's known to a larger percentage of ne-ravers than other, better DJs who maintain a lower profile? -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 23:54:56 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam On Mon, 21 Dec 92 19:31:14 EST you said: >I am not defending Todd, but he does work two jobs (sometimes 3) and has been >putting in mucho hours at Kinky's lately. Exactly the point of my offer to do the names, to take some of the work load off someone else. I didn't know he had said he'd do it when I did. My first message to him mentioned that we had posted similar offers and that I could take votes if he needed the help, and if he didn't need help or just wanted to do it himself to just say so. He didn't. > ... but don't flame >him for not being on the net 5 times a day like some of us :) He just hasn't >had much time to devote to catching up on all his email. He's had time to post to the list, I would think he has time to send a quick 'yes I need help' or 'no go away' message. If there is some reason he didn't have that extra minute (ok, maybe 45 seconds) then I hope things lighten up for him (seriously). I work two jobs myself and I am sure that a lot of the people on the list have a lot of work to do. The "I'm too busy to answer mail" excuse wears away very fast, especially when that mail is offering to do some of the work FOR him. I'm not intending to flame him (or you) for anything. I MAKE time for the things I really want to do, but I don't like to WASTE time. That's what the intent of the message was about, why should I waste my time run- ning a vote when people seem to not want to do it that way? I wanted to be SURE what I should be using my time on, that's why I sent him two messages on it in the first place after posting the vote stuff to the list and being reminded by someone (sorry, I forget who) that tsines had already offered to do the name stuff. >> perhaps my voting idea was too structured, I don't know. >There you go. But it's not like everyone said, 'fuck him, he's a geek, we >don't need no stinking voting procedure. let's just pick a name and use it.' And just last week people were being praised for being geeks. :) :) The procedure I posted was a simplified version of what I've seen on the net for other votes. You mentioned that: >In actuality I don't think anyone expected the 'decision' to come so quickly. >Of course, no one really DECIDED on anything. And then said: > It's not too late, actually, >we could still bounce around some new ideas. So, we have a decision but we don't have a decision. If this is how things are done here, that's fine, but it doesn't seem very productive to me. >INTERFACE just popped up as an >alternative to BIT RAVE, which had received some criticism as well as praise, >and I have yet to hear anyone complain about the name Interface. That may not >be the most democratic or structured way of going about it, but... Ok, "Interface" is the name of a magazine, as well as being an overused word in the computer industry in general (although I suppose it's no more overused than "Bit.") Personally, if I was going to hold an event, I would not use the name of a magazine, but hey, it's just a name. If the event goes off well, I don't suppose it will matter what it is called. (The above, of course, is MHO, except for the bit about the magazine, which I've actually seen.) >...buuuuut I think the point here is that we DID come up with a name in >virtually (sorry to use that word) no time at all. Did we? Is it definitely INTERFACE or is the topic still open for discussion, as you mentioned above? >WILL be a rave in two months. Think about it... it started out as everybody >at Laura's party bitching about Storm Rave last Sunday -- EIGHT DAYS AGO. Has it really only been 8 days? It seems like much longer. I think I may be letting this list take up too much of my time. :) And, no, before anybody suggests it, I don't want to unsubscribe. I've learned a lot about techno and asked various questions here and I hope to stay. It's too bad the first time I was able to come up with an offer to help didn't work out, but life goes on. I've got two new techno comps to listen to. :) >I don't think it's fair to question our ability to come together and pull it >off just because we didn't spend the time it would have taken to accumulate, >tabulate, and report votes. I'm not saying "mob rules" but I think that if >we DON'T keep up the "just do it" pace, the prospect of success WILL be >diminished. This makes me sound like some sort of outsider 'questioning your ability' and I suppose in a way that is true since I have not met the people here personally or traveled all over the northeast to go to raves with them. However, I saw what looked like an opportunity to help and I don't think I should be faulted for that, even though it did not turn out to be an opportunity to help. Who knows, maybe the thought of going through a structured voting procedure scared everyone into (almost) deciding on a name quickly. :) :) -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: dionf@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Francois Dion) Subject: Re: Starfish and Democracy, Maple Syrup and Jam Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 0:54:54 EST Why the maple syrup in the subject? (hope it's Quebec maple syrup 8) ) Beyond the ultraworld of Ed Horch: > > Remember too that the name is the most mutable aspect of an event. > Changing the name won't kill an event as fast as changing the location, Except if it changes to SexRave 8( > Sort of like DJ selection: If, say, djSLiP ends up on the lineup, is > it because people really like what he plays and how he plays it, or is > it because he is a vocal enough poster to this list and frequent enough > attendee at pre-rave ravettes that he's known to a larger percentage of > ne-ravers than other, better DJs who maintain a lower profile? I can't say... The only DJs from NY and around that i have heard are not on this mailing list... But as far as i am concerned (beeing a DJ myself) as long as it's a good show and we dont hear KWS, it's ok. 8) Ciao, -- Francois Dion ' _ _ _ CISM (_) (_) _) FM Montreal , Canada Email: CISM@ERE.UMontreal.CA (_) / . _) 10000 Watts Telephone no: (514) 343-7511 _______________________________________________________________________________ Audio-C-DJ-Fractals-Future-Label-Multimedia-Music-Radio-Rave-Video-VR-Volvo-... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Talk Sick Beet Balks Date: Tiwesdag About that Fun Saturday Donato: It made me smile greatly to hear you call New Haven hardcore. Imagine momentarily placing yourself in observer status if someone termed the urban region Worcester as hardcore. He he. New Haven really ain't a scene on it's own. Actually I knew 1/2 to 2/3 of the people. All those were Hartford area and youse goodfellas. The rest I dont know but that HARDCORE HARTFORD guy is a freind of mine Mark Terza and he showed me the list adn most of those people were from saudost CT or Uconn... BTW that date aint the 16th twas 15th but i prefer 8th but anyway NO we will not go head to head and bite the bullet and get trashed by a REAL organization. BTW it was sorta cool and BTW i kinda liked it and BTW i had a bit of fun in CT which is amaisking in itse'f/. Ed: There was no need to apologize for playing that hardcore nicE shit tune called "alles naar de kluete" i dont care if it was a request you should grow up and stop knocking tunes just becuz they're fun. :) :) :) :) :)) Droppin' science on th' REAL smilies, HAHDKOAH MUTHAFUKKA YO YO YO YO crotchety ol' Mr. SparklE PS nice again to see you John-Taylor-Laura thing ;) PPS shoutouts to me boyz MaP and Damir. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 03:29:47 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: toxic beatboxing small note about toxic beatbox concert last sat. tune inn new haven that sat. just got in from school (american in DC) then off to new haven 'twas a fun time crowd small but the vibe was great had fun on the floor(sorry bout all the people that i bump into, gotta learn to be more in control on the floor, lots of space tho) cool to meet a lot of the ne-ravers (laura, john, taylor, mike (at brown) donato) cool time for all scene as fun up here as is down in dc/balt area :) see ya at revelation! NE-RAVES BADGGES IN FULL EFFECT! doug - a booming base for a loving race (thanks j!) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 22 Dec 92 09:14:18 EDT From: Subject: Get a CLUE All this WHINING about sines and the name of the event are childish. Sines said he would work on a flyer and use the name bit rave, BUT he said that the name was very easily changed. Get it, THE NAME CAN BE CHANGED ! He said he would post the rough draft for feedback. If you know computer graphic design, changing the name is the easy part. This stuff is starting to sound like a little kid whining that he/she wants to help, and the grown ups ingnore them or say no. Nobody said anything, as far as I remember. You (DAVEH@mitvmc.mit.edu) said "I" will handle the voting. Submit name requests to "ME", this is the way it will "BE"..etc. If I'm not mistaken _MARS_ said to contact LAURA for volunteering. You've managed to volunteer and de-volunteer, all by yourself. Nobody cares whether you've been into the scene 1 week or 1 year. True ravers don't concern themselves with those things. This isn't the Masons. Instead of flaming sines, which you claim you didn't do (and if anybody read those posts, I'm sure they'd agree that it was DAMN close to flaming, if not) try finding something ELSE to do that will help. Or continue to pursue the name voting thing. I haven't heard of anyone else volunteering. You managed to drum up a few false conceptions up rather quickly, and instead of trying to work things out, you said !@#$ it. If I were sines I wouldn't answer you either. You tried intimidating him into answering on the net..."look you guys, I wanna help and sines won't let me". You're coming off in the wrong way. And sines is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. Heart of Gold. Or should I say SCHWANZ of Gold. BWAHAHAHAHAHA :) or should I say The SCHWANZTER..or HSIC -> HEAD SCHWANZ IN CHARGE :)...ahhh but I digress.... I'm not flaming anybody. I'm saying instead of steping off with an attitude, get a clue first. The name is, as was said before by ed/dj (I think) and others, is the least important factor of this event. Thank You and Have a nice day....(steps down from soapbox in docs). "We now return you to your normally viewed program".... "Rabbit season...Duck season...Rabbit season...Duck season...FIRE..." Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 09:35:29 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Get a CLUE On 22 Dec 92 09:14:18 EDT you said: >them or say no. Nobody said anything, as far as I remember. You >(DAVEH@mitvmc.mit.edu) said "I" will handle the voting. Submit >name requests to "ME", this is the way it will "BE"..etc. Wrong. Get a FACT before you post a message like this. What happened was that Laura posted her "ENOUGH ALREADY" message saying that one of the things needed was SOMEONE TO COLLECT NAMES AND RUN A VOTE. Get it, RUN A VOTE. The very simple method I posted is HOW VOTES ARE RUN ON THE NET, at least a simplified version of how I've seen it done. I didn't think I needed to get permission on HOW to run a vote when the procedure is already established. And really, the person RUNNING THE VOTE is ALWAYS the person the names are sent to. That's just how it is, it's not me trying to dictate how it will BE. Then the entire list of names is posted to the net with some sort of method for people to choose their favorite names. It cuts down on list traffic. People who don't choose to follow the voting rules generally don't get their votes counted. It also makes sense to me, when volunteering to do something, to say HOW and WHEN it will be done. It wouldn't have made sense to say "ok, I'll run the vote" and then not to say how it would be done. >If I'm not mistaken _MARS_ said to contact LAURA for volunteering. Mars said to contact Laura somewhat AFTER I volunteered. In any case I sent the original message directly to Laura and to ne-raves. I didn't hear any complaints from Laura about it. >You've managed to volunteer and de-volunteer, all by yourself. Of course. I volunteered. Tsines also volunteered. I sent him a message asking him if he wanted me to do it or not. When I didn't get a reply I sent a second message a couple of days later. When I didn't get a reply to that (and I had seen him posting to the list, and many of the people on the list didn't seem interested in that idea) I de-volunteered. After all, if he is the one doing the designing for the stuff, he can put whatever he wants on it. Why waste time and duplicate effort when it's not being done the way that Laura suggested (collect names and run a vote)? > Or continue to pursue the name voting thing. >I haven't heard of anyone else volunteering. As I said, both tsines and I volunteered after seeing Laura's original posting. The messages just happened to 'cross in the mail' as it were. If I had seen tsines' message to volunteer I never would have. >You managed to >drum up a few false conceptions up rather quickly, and instead of >trying to work things out, you said !@#$ it. There was nothing to work out. The INTERFACE name came up, people seemed to like it, so why bother with a vote when there is already a name? I tried to work out the original conflict in volunteering by sending mail to tsines. Beyond that, there's nothing to work out. >If I were sines >I wouldn't answer you either. You tried intimidating him into >answering on the net..."look you guys, I wanna help and sines >won't let me". This makes no sense at all. The messages to sines went out before I said anything on the net about him not responding. You are the one with the false conceptions because you posted this message without knowing the facts. The only false conception I may have is on why tsines did not respond. "Intimidating sines into answering on the net" is ridiculous. I didn't expect him to answer on the net after sending him two separate messages privately and not getting responses to those. If you'd like, I can post these messages to the net so you can see that I said nothing to flame him. I can also repost Laura's original message. Maybe that will clear things up, but I won't do this unless people want to see it. There's plenty enough traffic on this list anyway, and while I know this message contributes to it, I'm not going to let myself be attacked by someone who doesn't even know what happened, without clearing up the facts. >You're coming off in the wrong way. That may be true. But I think it makes sense to de-volunteer when it is obvious that things are not going to be done the way Laura suggested ("someone to collect the proposed rave names and run a vote"). >And sines is >one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. I would have no way of knowing that and how nice he is is not really of issue here. >I'm not flaming anybody. You're not? A message full of personal attacks and misinformation like this is not flaming anybody? I disagree, just as you said that people would think I was flaming at tsines and I didn't think I was. >I'm saying instead of steping off with >an attitude, get a clue first. The name is, as was said before >by ed/dj (I think) and others, is the least important factor of >this event. Yeah, they said this after this whole thing came down. Actually I agree with them. I don't care if it's called "TIME" or "NEWSWEEK" or "PLAYBOY" as opposed to "INTERFACE". (For those who don't know, INTERFACE is a magazine too.) I just took the suggestion Laura offered and offered to run a vote in the way I've seen on the net. There are always rules and time limits in running a vote. Personally, I liked "BIT RAVE" but it's not going to bother me what it is called. I just offered to handle the voting on whatever it was going to be. I'm saying instead of posting a flaming message like yours, get the facts first. I would suggest that if anyone wants to continue "not flaming" me to please do it by email. I'm not going to continue this thread on the net unless someone else publicly flames me on the net. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Interface flyer Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 8:59:02 MST > I dunno about this part. I support the idea of "no alcohol, no attitude" on > a flyer but I think it should be less confrontational than the way you have it > worded. The flyer should be merely informative, letting people know that there > won't be any booze or crap-up-with-which-to-put there. Why even bother? I've tried "No Alcohol" or "18 and over" and it was disasterous on both accounts. With "No Alcohol" we got a little larger under 21 crowd, but the 21+ crowd stayed away in droves, vice-versa for "18+". It isn't worth it in either case. Just say nothing. If someone brings a big bottle of Scotch to the door, tell them it isn't allowed. They'll probably just put it in the car and come back. If people sneak it in, are you going to accost them for not being part of the "rave spirit"? The raves I've thrown are notorious for "anything goes," this is something that the clubs and the radio stations can't compete with. We've never had any "attitude" problems in spite of it. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 22 Dec 92 11:12:00 EDT From: Subject: Re: Get a CLUE You know, I had a response already set to respond to your post. BUT your whole attitude seems negative. And to continue to go back and forth with word games would be childish. I haven't got the time or desire. I'm good at word games and I could tear your post apart. SO I'll say this....Go In A Wave Of Peace. Hope you can make it to the Cybertribe Gathering. I'd like to meet you in person. PEACE, LOVE AND DOC MARTINZ :) Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 11:01 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Current Volunteer List (was Re: Get a CLUE) Golden Boy wrote: >If I'm not mistaken _MARS_ said to contact LAURA for volunteering. He did contact me, and I said something along the lines of "thank god, go ahead." NOT that I am the final authority on anything around here, mind you. Please don't drag me into this. Watching all the crud flying around about our rave-to-be is making me very sad. I considered unsubscribing last night. >I haven't heard of anyone else volunteering. People have been dropping me email. Here is the current list. If it is not complete I am truly sorry -- please remind my fading 28-year-old memory and I'll add you to the list. To convert the addresses I have below (which were from my personal file) to regular Internet-style addresses change the ! to a @ and put whatever was after the ! at the beginning. For example, lehigh.edu!mhv0 becomes mhv0@lehigh.edu SITE TEAM --------- (head) Mars lehigh.edu!mhv0 LIGHTING/SOUND CREW ------------------- Ed mink.att.com!ebh Mike magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!mjbrown FLYERS/DESIGN ------------- Todd Sines magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!tsines Todd Tibbetts Damian Higgins PROMO TEAM ---------- Laura [coordinator] usl.com!laura Golden Boy Ohio po.cwru.edu!deb Nina Philly cc.byrnmawr.edu!nkarp luCiD South of DC uva.pcmail.virginia.edu!mjt3w Duane Boston athena.mit.edu!detlev Shalako Boston athena.mit.edu!sscoen Kelly Pittsburgh cmu.edu!kdeyoe+ Fluid Delaware bach.udel.edu!brit Lisa New York acfcluster.nyu.edu!jonesli Rob DC well.sf.ca.us!robcamp Inhuman DC mindvox.phantom.com!inhuman VIDEO DROMES ------------ Todd hsi.com!tibbetts Donato applix.com!donato/wpi.wpi.edu!damir SMART DRINKS ------------ DNA (of Allentown) Todd Sines magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!tsines Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:19:28 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: FIGHTING IN PUBLIC Look, I got a job to do and my mailbox is flooding. I want to stay on this list so's I can hear about upcoming raves. Instead I am getting flooded with email from 3-4 people. Can't you folks make a planning comittee list, or fight in private or something? thanks, Innocent Bystander [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:24:18 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ vintage rave poster GIFs }== I have scanned in a bunch of vintage rave invitations of the early 90s from the collection of Jay Cornell (from Gnosis Magazine, winter93) Where should I plop these for ftp? Plus...where are the archives for this group? I am back on line after being down for 5 days...!!! (get this--3M corporate forgot to pay the internet bill ...don't they know I have important things to attend to!!) tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 22 Dec 92 11:29:05 EDT From: Subject: Promotion Hey everybody, I have a question. Do you think we should start doing small local promo now ? You know like, informative flyers, maybe having a college radio station announce it, etc. Or should we wait until there's a final flyer or what have you ? Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:54:37 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: mmm NAME: I originally thought of BitRave, but I was half asleep. I think I N T E R F A C E is the way to go. tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 22 Dec 1992 11:55:01 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Get a CLUE ok...so where has all of this gotten us? >>T.808 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:00:37 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: toxic beatbox and tune inn ... TUNE-INN: ^^^^^^^^^ A fun night ! I met some people...did I talk to any of you? (I was wearing jeans, long black hair, beard...) I know Eric (the Photographer) and he took like 3 rolls of film...some good pictures should come out...If so, I will post them as GIFs. Who is going to DC for New Years???????????????? (ME!!) The sound was great... When you hear a group play in CT, most clubs sound like a burp inside a clam... Tune-Inn had good sound and of course TB Box had some hot stuff... Digital Sound--->> sounds great all!!!! tt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 22 Dec 1992 12:03:56 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: FIGHTING IN PUBLIC without opening up the whole "bandwidth" argument again.. i would just like to say that this list goes through many different phases of topic. we talk about everything that raving brings up. if raving brings up this bicker that's going on then it is a justifyable topic. we've all become a "family" lately.. and there's no need to say, at this point, what can and cannot be said. john adams (jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu) is the list admin. if you don't like the list send him an unsubscribtion notice and get off the list. **not trying to sound harsh...just defending john's moster creation*** :) >.taylor.square.wave.fetishist [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 12:00 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (tue dec 22) R A V E - O - M A T I C Baaahh Humbug. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, December 25 SHOCKWAVE New York (718) - 259 - 4907 Ho ho ho ravers!! X-FORCE Productions presents Tony Dee's SHOCKWAVE Part II If you felt the energy on Thanksgiving ... Don't miss the Yuletide RUSH!! Hotlines: Info (718)259-4907, Guest List (917)869-5036 10 bucks with pass, 12 bucks without, doors open 10:00 * 18 to TRIP, 21 to FALL * Lights by Frankie, sound by the Ziggman As for DJs think H A R D *** C O R E Location: 63 Street between 15th & 16th Aves. TO THE RAVERS: We are trying to create an atmosphere of total dance energy. A new culture, a rave culture, promoting peace, love and unity. We're not just trying to make money, we're ravers ... totally hardcore. Our task, to keep the underground scene alive! We want the underground scene to remain totally underground. See you on Christmas! X-FORCE Rave Productions, nothing but hardcore 4 ravers by ravers. Peace. Respect to Frankie Bones, X-Crash and the Storm Rave organization 4 the chance. The T.W.R Posse -- Together We Rave Promotions: Moonflower, Magilla, K-5, Mr. Sitcks, Kram Oicsac, Forever Green ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 "Through the mass-media, World War III is being waged upon the retina of the mind's eye. But a rapidly growing youth culture within the global village has given birth to a legion of Rainbow Warriors rebelling against the programmed ideals of a society locked within the definitions of the MTV unabridged dictionary. Armed with nothing more than the magik of a hug, a smile, some boomin' bass and a conviction that a difference can be made. This December comes a new gathering dedicated to exploration rather than exploitation... Saturday, December 26th, 1992 The Evolution Collective Proudly Presents: REVELATION Dedicated to Bio-Sphere I and the Sixth Sense Music with a message for your: Mind Body & Soul Frankie Bones Scott Henry Scott Hardkiss [Storm] [Washington, DC] [San Francisco] Keoki Micro Josh Wink [Disco 2000] [Caffeine] [Philadelphia] Dante Debo Onionz [Evolution] [Boston] [Layaway] Troy On-E Jason Jinx [Orlando] [Liquid Sky] [Solar Company] Bus, Travel, and Ticket info. New York 212.631.1179 Washington, DC 202.736.1712 Baltimore 410.783.5453 Boston & RI 617.576.9717 Philadelphia 215.602.2210 Toronto 416.524.7840 $12 admission strictly by advance sale ONLY. Tickets will be on sale until Dec. 20th. Purchase early to ensure entry, only 3,000 tickets will be sold. A portion of proceeds will be donated to Save the Planet. REVAR DESIGN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 NOVA Providence, RI (401) - 621 - 7563 ORACLE Productions presents NOVA rave in the new year THURSDAY DECEMBER, 31 1992 10PM - 6AM (legal location in providence, RI) Mayhem rave into the future with (Rise) live fireworks on a 240 ft video projection screen Overload (sky high) Visuals by GlowWorm Osheen +10,000 w. of (michelangelo) sonic vibe Tim Ryan STAY TUNED smart bar (venus) Savage alcohol & drug free (metamorphosis) info: 401 - 621 - 7563 tickets: $9 in advance $12 day of rave; map with tickets luna-sea 401 - 272 - LUNA rainbow records 401 - 331 - 6660 loft (boston 21 stanhope st) 617 - 262 - 2121 a portion on the proceeds will be donated to Alumni Association ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 PRIMAL New York City ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 8 ULTRAWORLD 3 (BRAINRAVE) Baltimore (410) - 563 - 7880 12 DJ's -- 12 hour rave -- 10pm/10am Gyroscope (from Virtual Reality) Some of the DJs are: Scott Henry Onionz Dr. Sun Neuromancer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 9 LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC (703) - 222 - 4499 TONKA Productions invites you to a new dimension in a third dimension L I Q U I D H O L I D A Y Saturday January 9th, 1993, 10pm-10am a tribal gathering is planned to bring out the masses for a celebration. Like robots from the mist, we'll rise to unite for a night of revelry and enlightenment to experience supernatural sound and lighting emanating through out your minds carrying you into an ecstacy of enchantment found only in your deepest dreams. Navigating The Dance Floors: LENNY DEE FRANKIE BONES Industrial Strength Brooklyn (Storm) WINK DANTE Philly Evolution ONIONZ DEBO Long Island Boston JAMES CHRISTIAN SCOTT HENRY Long Island Washington, D.C. LIEVEN DE GEYNDT BOBBLE Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe FRANKIE HARTUNG LG Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe MICHAEL MEACHAM SOUND REALITY ILLUMINATING REALITY 40,000 Watts of Booming Bass for a Loving Rave Ultimate Intellabeams LASERTAINMENT'S Emulators 20 Watt Multicolor Argon Lasers Data Flash Strobes SMART BAR & MIND MACHINES Visual Stimulations by Neuro Energy TICKET INFO: Tickets will be sold at MusicNow 202.638.3272 (D.C.) Modern Music 410.523.1882 (Balt.) $15 Starting Jan 3rd THROUGH Sat Jan 9th TONKA INFO LINE: 703.912.6767 BUS TRAVEL & INFO New Jersey - Michael Chrissi & Beth - 908.727.6527 New Jersey - Planet X Digital Deviants - 908.249.0304 Brooklyn - Groove Records - 718.714.5232 Boston - Mindwarp - 617.266.1987 Philly - Dead by Dawn - 215.552.8833 Philly - Wink - 215.292.4666 Greensboro N.C. - Spins - 919.274.8530 Raleigh N.C. - Mystere Prod. - 919.829.9719 Pittsburg - TurboZen - 412.621.7759 Baltimore - Atomic Vibe - 410.235.1131 SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERY ONE WHO HAS MADE THE UNDERGROUND A REALITY AND HAS MADE IT EVOLVE TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. LOVE & PEACE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 ESSENCE Long Island (516) - 547 - 6129 (617) - 266 - 1987 The Essence of Life Generation / X-Cubed / O-Tomic Productions & Simon Sez invite you to "witness the enlightenment of the Long Island underground" E S S E N C E Saturday, January 16, 1993 12am-??? L.I. Micro Onionz Dave Trance James Christian Jason Jinx D.C. Scott Henry Philly Wink Queens Dante Brooklyn Adam-X Boston Debo Cleveland Rob Sherwood New Jersey Space Ace 30,000 Watts of Shattering Sound Pulsating Planetary Pupil Pounding Visuals featuring one of the most extensive sound & light productions of any NY area event For up-to-date ticket & bus info call (516) - 547 - 6129 In Boston call (617) - 266 - 1987 Promotion: X-Cubed / O-Tomic / Kort & Greg / Mello Mello / Mindwarp Eddie van Raven / Chris Styles All tickets $12 Support the scene that has supported YOU! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 XOCHIPILLI Portland, ME Prepare for the Ritual "Xochipilli: 24 hour rave! January 16 @ 12 Noon - January 17 @ Noon Produced By A Book Called Galanta Portland, Maine (watch for info) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 DEEP Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 First we made you PURE. Together we followed the blinding truth of CRUSADE. Next we brought you SKY-HIGH. Now let us take you . . . D E E P Saturday, January 23rd 11pm til Sunrise DJs Tintin (London) Onionz (Long Island) Mayhem (Boston) 333 Mgee (London) Overload (Maine) Dale Charles (San Diego) Smart Bar, Rave Gear, & More Brilliant Lighting & Visuals by Pandemonium! 12,000 watts of sound huge warehouse location 207 - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Boston Wonderland's a Gathering of the Vibes Saturday, January 30th, 1993 Information Coming Soon! Presented by Never Neverland Productions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late January THE HOUSE YOU GREW UP IN Balt./DC area [from _Fission Power_, the UMD rave 'zine -- thanks Mike!!] The House You Grew Up In, brought to you by Atomic Vibe. Features John Leonardo, Scott Henry, L.G. McCannon, Bobble, and Wash. A fresh mix of 80's house style music. Call Atomic Vibe for info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 BLUE New England Blue . . . Coming to You 13 February 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, February 26 NE-RAVES UNDERGROUND Allentown, PA Let's plan it let's do it let's let's let's!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:20:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: FIGHTING IN PUBLIC Ok, then would someone be willing to set up a separate mailing for the announcements and the rave-o-matic? thanks, Betsy Vietnam is a jungle... Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, you have sand. -- Vice President Dan Quayle. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 12:38 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: FTP Info Hi everyone. I just wanted to make everyone aware of the ne-raves ftp site at media-lab.mit.edu . It's a drop point for a lot of the list-type info that gets published on ne-raves, and there's a few other things there besides. WHAT IS THERE? the alt.rave Frequently-Asked Questions list the latest (first) issue of the electronic magazine, _Assemblage_ archives of all ne-raves traffic from June through November Frequently-Asked Questions lists for various rave-related substances back issues of Heather Heather's rave magazine, _Under One Sky_ Rave-O-Matic The Rave-O-Matic Index The Techno Club List The DJ List HOW DO YOU GET TO IT? ftp media-lab.mit.edu (log in as anonymous) (give your login name as the password) cd pub/ne-raves (look around, use "ls" and "cd" like in UNIX) HOW DO I PICK UP A FILE? get [filename] HOW DO I GET OUT OF IT? quit You *don't* have to be subscribed to ne-raves to be able to access this information. Rave-O-Matic and The Rave-O-Matic Index are updated weekly on Tuesdays. Try looking under pub/ne-raves/incoming first for the latest issues of these. The Techno Club List and The DJ List are updated either monthly, or whenever I feel like it. Have fun, and save this message if it seems useful to you! Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:54:10 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: Merry, Merry, Merry Just wanted to wish everyone a great holiday. I'm sure we all need it! Hope you all find a great rave or two. Special greetings going out to: MK - See ya soon kid! Watch out for that nasty Pink P stuff! John - Great meeting ya! If you're at "DEEP" I promise to remember to bring the chocolate covered E-beans! and of course... Mel-E-Mel - "You're LSI...it is my heart's desire" Rave hard! AJAX [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:43:56 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: Re: Eon & compilation questions Greetings fellow Canadian raver/DJ type! With regards to your compilation questions... > >My second question is about a cd compilation called technomancer. Got it in a >liquidation bin for 10$. How old is it? From some of the tracks it cant be >older than 1991. Here's the listing (almost every songs are remix): > I saw this one too. I know for a fact that "Startouchers" by Digital Orgasm (who, by the way have a great import full-length CD) was released in April of '92. I know this 'cause I bought it in London when it was just released. I think the whole CD is based on Adams, Jade 4 U, etc. compositions. They have so many different groups! Also, "Running Out of Time" is definitely a classic....very sentimental to any Fredericton Rave Posse members (Long live DJ Sascha!) > >Last question: i saw Kaos Theory 4 (again a ripoff at 25$) and was wondering >if anybody has it? Is it as good as the KT1 or at least better than KT2/3? > I bought this one. In my opinion, it beats the hell out of KT2. KT2 basically sucked. I really liked KT3...a really good cross-section of hardcore. KT4, however, is only really 1/3 hardcore. The rest is mainly progressive house (Well Hung Parliment, The Black Dog, Euphoria, etc.) Whether or not you'd like KT4 really depends on your view of progressive house. Personally, I love it. I find it incredibly easy to trance out to. I can also say from experience that I can go for hours to progressive house, whereas I tend to peter out after 4 or 5 hours of pure hardcore. Generally, though, KT seem to follow the latest trends in "rave" music...with progressive house being the latest. "We thought there was no limit to PRO-GRESS...." AJAX [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:59:34 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: out of the loop and into the frying pan Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:57:59 EST So something was wrong with my mail and I haven't gotten any messages for about 2 weeks. What was the final word on storm? I think it was the worst rave of 92. I sent a message out about my dissapointment that nobody bought the stickers they said they would(not a single person bought $5 worth and i'm out $240), did anyone get it? Were is the money for a rave going to come from? I takes several thousand dollars to put on a party even if the space is taken care of. What about DJ's and arranging busses and all that. We shouldn't flyer at all if we only want to get 600 people. If it is the only event on that day, have good djs and we push it heavily we my find ourselves with 2,000 people pissed off at us. Good luck on getting any money out of ne-ravers( i know i dont have any) to pre-pay dj's (as most require these days due to promoters with big ideas and no capital). I was going to offer help in designing stuff but it looks like there are too many "chefs" involved already. Enough with the negative stuff maybe we are finding the limitations of the medium. What about planning to get togther on a non rave day to plan, design and bond to pull this together. Everyone is going different directions and speeds and our all of our names attached(ne-raves cybertribe) to what happens so nobody wants it to go badly. Have we chosen a "chairperson"? Pure democracy dosent necessarly work without giving one person some power to solve arguments. I think that friendships are more important than getting famous (or in big trouble) as rave promoters. ;) peace and love to the ne-raves cybertribe chuck revar@aol.com designing the future [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:36:52 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ vintage.flyers }== I saved some GIFs at media-lab.mit.edu in pub/ne-raves/incoming/vintage ================================================= I scanned these from Gnosis Magazine (Winter 1993) They are "rave invitations of the early 90s from the collection of Jay Cornell" They were all in grey scale so I couldn't make 'em color. creation.gif 60k creation2.gif 186k delirium.gif 160k feel-x(big).gif 420k (frames from cartoon) know-escape.gif 38k kool-aid.gif 158k kraft.gif 88k promised-land.gif 86k revelation.gif 114k toontown.gif 224k vortex.gif 196k wiggledy.gif 286k They are all 300dpi and most are 4bit (some are 8bit) tt tibbetts@hsi.com _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: XDZebra Review Index Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 11:25:54 MST @Man sent me an index that I thought I'd forward on to everyone else. If anyone wants a particular review, mail me, or ftp to soda.berkeley.edu. Review #20 is in the works as I type this, Review #21 will probably be out after X-Mas with reviews of some older things that I either missed for some reason or purchased late. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Review #1 Contents: Give Peace A Dance, Volume 2: The Ambient Collection Hard Beat 4th Compilation Techno Mania: The New Continental Sound Total Techno 2 Best of Techno Volume One Technoworld Volume 1 Breaks, Bass & Bleeps 3 Order To Dance III Order to the Galaxy Vol. 1 Review #2 Contents: Digital Excitation: Pure Pleasure N-Joi: Mindflux (Promo) N-Joi:Live in Manchester Orbital: Mutations Holy Noise: James Brown Is Still Alive!! Post Acid Crash Tekkkno Overkill Review #3 Contents: Fortran 5: Heart on the Line Instinct Dance: A Collection of Dance Music From Instinct Records System 7: System 7 Orbital: Orbital The Shamen: Make It Mine Swamp Terrorists: Grow - Speed - Injection Swamp Terrorists: Nightmare DRP: Electro Brain 586 Suns of Arqa: Land of a Thousand Churches Review #4 Contents: Welcome To Technology Welcome To The Technodrome Twitch CD 2 Kaos Theory Technosonic: Volume One The Jackofficers: Digital Dump Armageddon Dildos: That's Armageddon T99: Nocturne Electronic Body Music Another World - Part 3 Review #5 Contents: Frank De Wulf: The First 3 Years Fortran 5: Blues Konzept: Hypnautic Beat 1000 Ohm! Compilation Vinyl Solution Sampler Review #6 Contents: The Future Sound of London: Accelerator Jam & Spoon: Tales From A Danceographic Ocean Ravesignal III The Aphex Twin: Digeridoo Space Trax: Atomic Playboy The Prodigy: Everybody In The Place XL-Recordings The Third Chapter - Breakbeat House Review #7 Contents: Moby: Go Remixes Moby: Drop A Beat Zero Zero: Maxi CD Single Praga Khan Featuring Jade 4 U: Free Your Body [Injected With A Poison] Don't Techno For An Answer Welcome To Technology vol. 2 Review #8 Contents: Messiah: There Is No Law Messiah: Temple of Dreams Jam & Spoon: "Tales From A Danceographic Ocean" Remixes The Future Sound of London: Papua New Guinea >From Our Minds To Yours Vol. 1 Blueprints For Modern (Techno)logy Vol. 1 Hypnotone: Ai Cabaret Voltaire: Technology: Western Re-Works 1992 Isotonik: Different Strokes Review #9 Contents: The Orb: Blue Room Rozalla: Everybody's Free (To Feel Good) Anne Dudley and Jaz Coleman: Ziggarats of Cinnamon Hypnotone: Hypnotone Review #10 Contents: GTO: Elevation Kaos Theory 2 Technoworld Volume 2 Best of Technoline Volume 1 Logic Trance Review #11 Contents: Zoo Rave 1 Techno Grooves - The Compilation Mach 4 * 5 * 6 Church of Extacy Danger Zone - Volume: One XL Fourplay Vol. 1 The Orb: U.F.Orb Review #12 Contents: Skin Up.: Accelerate Eon: Basket Case Stakker Humanoid 92 The Grid: Figure of Eight Steve "Silk" Hurley: (Back To) Jack Your Body '92 Digital Orgasm: Moog Eruption Review #13 Contents: Andronicus: Make You Whole Terrorize: It's Just A Feeling X-Rave Techno Sampler M CD 1 Utah Saints: Something Good Review #14 Contents: (Artificial Intelligence) Give Peace A Dance Volume 3d: Psychotic Reactions Opus III: Mind Fruit The Orb: Adventures... : Patterns & Textures Version The Soundtrack Kaos Theory 3 Review #15 Contents: Ultramarine: Every Man and Woman is a Star Red Hot & White Labels Smart E's: Sesame's Treet << The Evolution of The Groove >> Altern8: Hypnotic St-8 X-102 Discovers The Rings of Saturn Breaks, Bass & Bleeps 4 808 State: TimeBomb Review #16 Contents: Kicks Like a Mule: Number One Gat Decor: Passion Only For The Headstrong Vol. II Biosphere: Microgravity Punizone Continua mixed by Digital Boy Super Ragga Gabba Altern8: Full On -- Mask Hysteria Review #17 Contents: Ambient Dub Volume One: The Big Chill Orbital: Radiccio Dancebusters Volume One Mike Oldfield: Sentinel (Single Restructure) Pop Will Eat Itself: Karmadrome Moby: Moby Eon: What is Music Review #18 Contents: The Prodigy: Experience ZZB Compilation Force II Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works 85-92 Church of Extacy: Devil Beats Homeboy, Hippie, and Funki Dredd: Turbulence Review #19 Contents: Tunes From The Chocolate Box Transformer 2: Fruit of Love/Pacific Symphony Trance Shut Up and Dance: Raving I'm Raving Remix Yellow Magic Orchestra: Reconstructions Egyptian Empire: The Horn Track [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:17:00 -0500 From: jna@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: calendar only list now available. NE-RAVES CALENDAR LISTING NOW AVAILABLE: ne-raves-cal@gnu.ai.mit.edu ----------------------------------------- IF you feel flooded by the messages on ne-raves, and only want the rave-o-matic listing, then send a message to ne-raves-request and ask for an unsubscription from ne-raves and a subscription to NE-raves-CAL. it's a calendar only listing, that will have NO user posts, but only the mail from rave-o-matic and related rave announcement postings. I ask that noone post to ne-raves-cal. If you want to discuss raves, use ne-raves. Don't ask for a subscription if you're not planning to unsubscribe from ne-raves. the same infomration (rave-o-matic) is available in both places and you won't be missing anything. --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:40:19 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: =={ vintage.flyers }== All those flyers are from SF - I have most of those flyers, I can scan them in in 8-bit color when I return from break (shortly before the new year). And there _may_ be room on Soda for them, I'm not sure... Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:44:25 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Clues etc... On 22 Dec 92 11:12:00 EDT you said: >You know, I had a response already set to respond to your post. BUT >your whole attitude seems negative. And to continue to go back and >forth with word games would be childish. I haven't got the time or >desire. I don't either. I've stated the facts as I experienced them and have the postings and mail to back them up. I'm sorry you see my whole attitude as negative. It's not. It may be negative on the voting issue, but since that's over with, I look forward to a more positive outlook. :) >I'm good at word games and I could tear your post apart. Yes, and being good at word games myself, I'm sure I could do the same to yours, and it would go on and on. I used to know someone I always got into that sort of arguments with. Problem was, he LIKED it. :) >I'll say this....Go In A Wave Of Peace. Thank you. You too. >Hope you can make it to >the Cybertribe Gathering. I'd like to meet you in person. Would you care to explain why? I don't think I want to go to a rave and get into a fist-fight. :) :) I'm actually curious as to why you would say this. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:12:12 -0500 From: Donato Subject: hardcore, scenes, and stuff seeing as how the list isn't so trafficky these days (xmas break and all, i'll post more than usual :)) mrSparkle said: >It made me smile greatly to hear you call New Haven hardcore. Imagine > momentarily placing yourself in observer status if someone termed the >urban region Worcester as hardcore. i would say, "you are correct, sir!" worcester is full of punks who are into hardcore, who like to slam at every show (obviously not hardcore techno :)) but i see your point. at the raves(3) in worcester there have been few worcester-ites, and the few that were there went because joel (the dude at shakey jakes) told them too, and they had no idea what it was. so, should i have said "new haven is very nothing!" :) well, how about, CT is very hardcore. anyone going to NOVA in providence, new year's eve? look for me there! peace, and all that fun, groovy stuff, and happy holidays ! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Interface flyer From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:39:56 EST You have a point, Mike. I wasn't completely satisfied with the wording myself, and due to a disasterous line at Fifth Column last night, I haven't distributed any yet. BTW- I'm from D.C. not Brooklyn. Do you have any suggestions for better wording? This flyer was meant to be just a tantalizer, since we don't actually have any of the details worked out yet. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:44 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Interface flyer Inhuman, in a fit of extreme enthusiasm, wrote: > You have a point, Mike. I wasn't completely satisfied with the >wording myself, and due to a disasterous line at Fifth Column last night, >I haven't distributed any yet. BTW- I'm from D.C. not Brooklyn. Do you >have any suggestions for better wording? This flyer was meant to be just >a tantalizer, since we don't actually have any of the details worked out >yet. PLEASE DO NOT START PROMOTING THE RAVE. PLEASE DO NOT START PROMOTING THE RAVE! OKAY? We're not ready to go, the date is not 100% sure, we have no money to put this on. I know you all are dying to get the word out -- and it's fantastic that people want to take action, but the truth is we just are not ready yet. Not even for teasers! Part of the reason why I allowed Mars to volunteer me to coordinate promotion is so we would pressent UNIFIED promotion and CONSISTENT information to all ne-raves cities. If everyone goes off and does their own thing then exactly the opposite will happen. As far as I am concerned, and as far as I am aware, we are not ready to do any kind of promoting other than perhaps saying to our friends and rave-pals "hey, a bunch of people and I are going to put together a rave for Februrary. Stay tuned." But nothing as formal as flyers yet, please? I'm sorry to have to post this to the entire list -- I'm sure many of you are getting sick of rave logistics -- but I wanted to make sure everyone was clear on my stance here. If you don't agree with me, and there is sufficient opposition, then I will turn promotion coordination over to someone else, and fully retreat from the rave planning so I don't get in the way of whoever takes over. Email me with your votes/comments, I DON'T want to see this discussion gumming up the regular ne-raves list. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Interface flyer From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:05:43 EST Alcohol is not a big deal to me. I didn't mean to outlaw it by putting it on the flyer like that; I just meant to discourage it and make it clear that there wouldn't be any served. I don't care whether people drink or not as long as they don't get beligerent and there aren't glass bottles rolling around on the ground. I'll take it off the flyer since it's causing too much justifiable concern. BTW- Remember this is just a preliminary flyer. Someone else (I regretably forget who) is making cool color flyers, apparently. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:11:08 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: pre-announcing the event I think it wouldn't hurt to come up with some simple flyers that simply say "Interface - Coming February 28th - Presented by the Cybertribe Gathering - stay tuned for more details" or if the date isn't set then just say "Coming in February" or something. To show the reader you're serious you might want to get a voice mailbox or two - it would make sens to have one running in the Allentown area code and another from New York. And of course, the sooner you pin down DJ's the better. DJ's out here usually know what party they're playing 2 months ahead of time, sometimes as many as four if it's a big weekend. Looking hard for a <$400 rt ticket from SFO to PA, Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:14:42 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: Re: =={ vintage.flyers }== On Tue, 22-Dec-1992, bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) said: > All those flyers are from SF - I have most of those flyers, I can scan them > in in 8-bit color when I return from break (shortly before the new year). And > there _may_ be room on Soda for them, I'm not sure... > > Brian Yea! Do it. As I said, I will be posting some Tune-Inn pics in color soon... As far as VIDEO TAPING: I talked to a guy in NYC and he has a pretty good set up for converting video into Quicktime Movies. Would there be an interest in that? Anyone else have a board in their computer that can make these things? The "visual" files get bulky, but they are a great document to leave in the digital time capsule. tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Promotion From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:13:21 EST I think we should definitely start local promo now. Even if it's just passing out flyers that say "Interface/BitRave Coming in February." Name recognition is a big thing. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:18 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: I GIVE UP. I WILL NOT HELP INTERFACE. I totally give up. Mars suggested I coordinate regional promotion. Several people volunteered to help. I told them to chill out until we got some more info on the rave (like, if we're honestly really going to be able to put this thing on, what with NO MONEY and mis-communications with the guy who owns the site). Few people are listening to me it seems. If no one is willing to listen to me, then my services as coordinator are totally unnecessary. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:22 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Interface flyer I wrote: >If you don't agree with me, and there is sufficient opposition, then I >will turn promotion coordination over to someone else, and fully retreat >from the rave planning so I don't get in the way of whoever takes over. >Email me with your votes/comments, I DON'T want to see this discussion >gumming up the regular ne-raves list. Actually, don't email me. I don't want responsiblity for coordinating promotions anymore, as I have already stated. I am now officially out of the way. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:35:50 EST Sorry, Laura, I promise I will not promote the rave until we all agree on everything. Sometimes I get a little carried away with myself. :-) --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:37 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Inhuman writes: > I promise I will not promote the rave until we all agree on everything. Hey, I really DO NOT CARE what you all do now. It's not my business, it's not my responsibility, it's not my problem. There's a lot of GOOD reasons to start flyering now, and also a few BAD ones. It's up to someone else to keep track of these reasons and make a decision. I am not going to do it. I might not even have been the right person to make these decisions, seeing as I have never had to organize anything at a rave (I've worked at a few, but in all cases someone else was responsible for the organizational decisions). I have enough to do what with Rave-O-Matic, the DJ List, the Techno Club list, throwing pre-rave parties, and keeping my love-life happy. End of Statement. Let's not dump 40 messages about this in everyone's mailbox! Onward and upward and all that :-) Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:53:52 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: FTP Info Thanks Laura, I couldn't have said it better myself! One correction: >>>>> On Tue, 22 Dec 92 12:38 EST, laura@usl.com said: laura> Rave-O-Matic and The Rave-O-Matic Index are updated weekly on Tuesdays. laura> Try looking under pub/ne-raves/incoming first for the latest issues of laura> these. The Techno Club List and The DJ List are updated either monthly, laura> or whenever I feel like it. I always move these to pub/ne-raves/rave-o-matic. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:08:01 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: an offering dear neraves cybertribe. i do a zine in sf. in my next issue, iUll be interviewing dj smash from save the robots. if no one thinks its a bad ideA, i will post that issue in january. sfraves is gettign a free subsciprtion, and again, if no one complains, iUll put neraves on line too. so far weUve had dj lime, dag, spun, brian behlendorf, and will be having tony largo (la), dj smash, maybe dante, and the twix remix people and harry who? from the bay - along with other articles, all submissions welcome. the zine is called {VI-zine}, formelerly {itUs just a phaze}. thanks pat To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:02:04 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (the sweetest chill) Subject: Re: I GIVE UP. I WILL NOT HELP INTERFACE. I won't support or help Interface either. Until people decide what they're doing, and people start delegating responsibility among people that are going to GET THE JOB DONE, there's no point in supporting this. -jna list admin. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 17:15:15 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: The Imaginal Rave (Sorry if Brian also posts this.) This is the text of a small booklet that's been circulating around SF for a while now. The original author printed it up with funky typesetting and cool pictures. For info on how to order the original booklet, see the last paragraph. > T H E I M A G I N A L R A V E > > This is not so much about what raves are or aren't, than > about what they MIGHT be. > > So don't bother looking here for a rehash of the obvious: that raves > are the latest thing in underground dance parties/about having > fun/feeling good/Peace/Energy/Unity ... all of which IS true, > needless to say, but there remains so much more to be said, so much > more to BE! > > CUT through the clouds of trendism and commercialization that > attach themselves to any major new mutation in culture. What wants > to be invoked (what I want to invoke--what I hope YOU want to > invoke) is that imaginal, incandescent core out of which all the > smoke & noise is generated; what a rave truly can be, for some > people in some situations--what it could BECOME; and then, peeling > away at the sides, ... falling off one by one, duller, flatter, greyer ... > and ever so much more TAME ... all those would-be and almost-raves, > unavoidable byproducts of anything too real. > > An old Sufi saying has it that: "where there's counterfeit, there's > true gold." > > So next time you go to something that calls itself a rave but isn't, > don't just write it all off; the real ones do exist, and why SHOULD > they be so easy to find? And, after all, it's up to YOU to make them > real. > > Allright, we already know that raves are THE space-age tribal youth > ritual, the return of the dionysian energy that first emerged in 50's > rock 'n' roll and erupted in full force in the late 60's with the > intertwining of music and psychedelic drugs. But the rave-current is > itself only the more visible crest of something broader and > deeper.It's no coincidence that it hits the States at the same time as > a major resurgence of psychedelic usage. > > You can take the toying with neo'60's motifs--day-glo, flowers, > smiley faces, flares--as mere fashion recycling by a generation born > largely post-Summer of Love. Or you can see these themes as the > instinctual recovery of a project left hanging, next breath after a > two decade-long lull. Or you can go ever furthur--and why not!?--and > see "the 60's" as only one recent intrusion within the Flatland of > (take a deep breath now) Gravity-Bound-Domesticated-Humanoid- > Industrial Civilization (got that?) of a future that is already > happening, a future that beckons us towards itself and sends its > echoes spiralling back through the dark and narrow tunnels of > terrestrial time to make itself come true... > > But only with your help, of course! > > Picture a wave forming on the horizon, a big one (talking late 50's, > early 60's): the psychick surfers coasting out there, beatniks, non- > conformists, oddball academics bored with the small town life at > the shore and all its dismal soap-opera games, looking for something > to carry them away into a wilder, richer world; the first swells of > energy carry with them a tide of psycho-active algaes... > > HOFFMAN/HUXLEY/BURROUGHS/GINSBURG/WATTS/LEARY/ALPERT/KE > SEY & CO., issue their first reports and manifestoes; munching on the > junk food of the gods, our proto-mutants are initiated into the > mysteries of the Vortex; they come back to the cardboard facades of > Main Street with their evocations of kaleidoscopic infinity, eyes lit > with the light of alien suns. Their news answers a gnawing hunger > among so many trapped within the greypastelboxroutines of the > industrial-consumer-democratic hive; More, they activate dormant > circuits of the hive's nervous system, and spawn a burst of deviance: > forms of rebellion less interested in disputing what varieties of > greypastelboxroutines are preferable and what's right and wrong for > everybody, than in setting up scouting parties for heading out to > sea... > > Underline the word parties. > > Dosed to the gills, beatniks in existential black mutate into > rainbow-hued hippiedom. Up with the Flower Children, hedonistic and > 'escapist'--so called because they withdrew from the arena of > domesticated primate aggro-sports known as 'politics' in favor of > actually learning about the infinite kingdoms within their own body > and nervous system. Drop into the Haight, turn off powertrips, tune > out conformism and competition. > > Meltdown ensues. All the accelerated bondings through Be-Ins, Love- > Ins, communes. Awash in the incense of oriental exoticism and > occultist bric-a-brac, a renaissance of the spirit decks itself out in > raiments of psychic kitsch. And how much can we fault them, really, > if their Love&Peace trip undercut itself by becoming a denial of the > Darkness; after all, they are there for us to learn from. > > But just as everyone is tumbling about in the cosmic froth, > anticipating revolution or millenium tomorrow afternoon at the > latest, the Wave suddenly evaporates beneath them. No, the Earth Egg > didn't quite hatch yet, ...just some initial stirrings. And so the > children of the Vortex find themselves hurtling through the air like > Wil E. Coyote, wrapped up in all their newfound lifestyles, but the > vital juice is gone, and it all becomes so tame and lame so quickly, > and in any case, a lot of people couldn't handle the intensity so it > comes time to settle back into a safe routine, in some cases lay the > ground for those who come after; & all around are the Mr. Jones' of > many guises, panicked at the imminent collapse of Normalville; some > however take their chance to cash in on what they can of it, a lot of > others are wholly freaked, and thus begins a Counter-Reformation. > One the one hand, a retreat from direct encounter with the Abyss > crystallizes into the New Age, and on the other, it's back to the > Bible, dumb drugs, white-bread, and Family Values. And all the > hipsters left posing without a clue, all the > burnouts/fuckups/addicts & victims of some invisible multi- > dimensional boogeying elephant; over there in the ivy towers, the > blind men scribble their learned tomes, dissecting some stray > paisley footprints; but something far stranger has happened, and its > awfully hard to make out just what till the next, bigger cousin of > that wave starts to surface offshore. > > Meanwhile even many devotees of the Vortex ascribe it to the > decline in quality of their psychoactive goodies, mistaking the > portal for the vista beyond (but how do you enter the vista without > the portal? hmmm...BE THY VISION! a distant curl of the Vortex > whispers back). > > Credit it all to upsurges of the Gaian mind, long-schemed scams of > the giggling DNA-consciousness, or the flotsam & jetsam cast down > by That Transcendental Novelty Item at the End of Time; choose your > metapors--the more the merrier; but there's a mystery-in-process > that all the nice rationalistic analyses will never get at: here I'll > echo a point once made by Mr. Leary: the most subtle form of > conservatism is that which views the present only through the prism > of the past! > > And yes, (to those for whom it's not patently obvious), IT'S > HAPPENING AGAIN. > > *** > > At the heart of the rave is a modern, technologically clad > form of non-verbal, ecstatic communion. The ethos of > openness, sharing, intimacy, touch and empathy--not to mention the > pure intensities of trance itself--facilitated by the use of LSD & > MDMA (hey, the fact that you have to take these things to loosen up > is a sign of just how far down & lost we all are!!), in tandem with > the all-night long pulsation of bodies to the same sound source, can > and does create a context where layers of armoring and conditioning > are shed, where those willing can find the joyful and mysterious > realm of their bodies free of oh-so many enculturated ego-trips and > bullshit, ... while also opening the "post-terrestrial" circuits of their > psyches. (Whew! Pause, return to beginning of paragraph, read again > slowly.) > > In other words, a safe space where we can be as weird as we want > to be. > > A collective molting ritual for the new species. > > *** > > Or take it from another angle: compare the rave-thing to a chemical > reaction: a half-dozen ingredients (make your own list), inert & > ordinary in the normal course of things; but combine them in right > proportions, at the right time and place, apply the CATALYST (& > what what THAT be?) and BOOM!, you've set off an explosion, a chain > reaction producing ENERGY, LOTS OF IT, and in that process a > dynamic that continues to transform many of the starting > ingredients into new & unknown qualities. No question, of course, > that bystanders can look in from the skeptically, and reduce it all > back to something familiar: escapism, consumerism, fashion parade, > whatever. But we'll leave them to their nervous calculations... > > > *** > > OK, so you want a schoolbook definition of TECHNO-SHAMANISM, that > catchphrase everybody likes to invoke but no one seems to be able to > actually explain? > Prepare to jump levels: As the individual shaman/ess evicts demons > and excises magical darts from the sick person through a mixture of > magickal sound & motion, so on the level of the diseased and crisis- > ridden 'global village' raves aim to heal the collective body by > shaking it loose of its neurotic fixations and death-fetishes. > > EXORCISM THROUGH DANCE. > > Unhooking the talons and shadowy webs of control. A physical > unlearning of a few thousand years worth of BAD HABITS. > > Learning to be at once a little more human and a little more alien. > > Healer, leader, visionary, outcast: the shaman/ess' role is multi- > faceted, both at the center but also relegated to the margins of the > community; the use of sound and/or psychoactive compounds are > central to shamanism. The shaman/ess chants, hums, drums and > dances as a way of programming hir voyage into the "spirit realms" > (aka hyperspace), as well as of healing the mind and body of others, > ... all on a more face-to-face, way lo-tech scale, of course. > > So there, chew on that for a while. > > *** > > It's a pretty sad but predictable fact that self-professed "radicals" > have been oblivious to this phenomenon, just because it seems to > emanate out of NITEKLUBLAND; too bad--when will they figure out > that all social alienation is ultimately grounded in an alienation > from the body--that realm of nature closest to us but oh-so far > away. Their heroine Emma Goldman once proclaimed to the grim > socialist militants of her day: "If I can't dance in your revolution I > want no part of it." > > And what if dance could be a modality of social change? > > A heretical thought, no doubt. "Free your ass and your mind will > follow," so said George Clinton. But hey, he was just another crass > capitalistic rock star, right? > > Not to rescusitate, however, that burdensome word, Revolution. > Scratch the R, hilite the E. Quote an obscure graffito from a wall in > Paris, May 1968: "This is not a Revolution but a Mutation." And say > rather, TAZ. Temporary Autonomous Zone. > > Like the TAZ, the rave is wild, nomadic, outside the maps of Power. > At its best, the rave opens onto a realm of free-form behavior and > perception, one in which there is no hierarchy, no leaders or > followers, at most the dj and the light-show artists. (Hopefully > benign--be careful who you leave your sensorium with!) > > ...Not unlike the Situationist International's notion of the "situation" > (sorry, I just had to drag them in here!), a space of liberated > interactions... but where the participants are the art and the show, > the synergy between them all the event (or event horizon?). If the > insurrection was supposed to realize itself in a festival, we might > ask, why shouldn't the festival turn into an insurrection--an > insurrection of Love? > > Anyone who has been part of a REAL rave, if only once, briefly, > knows that its insane, insanely beautiful ferocity is something that > exceeds all the contrived parlour-games that pass for alternatives, > social or political. The mere fact of this ferocious hedonism is, > without words or slogans, A REFUTATION OF DOMESTICATED > EXISTENCE. > > So FUCK IT if most of this California rave-scene is still ensnared in > niteklubbism. Invade the pseudo-raves, instigate roving micro-raves. > Doesn't take more than a ghetto blaster and a handful of courageous > revellers to start a rave on any streetcorner or park, see how long it > takes to catch..., or to be shut down... > > THIS is OUR form of protest--our style of dance is angry and > combative as well as loving and celebratory; to free our bodies first > from the rotting carcass of history,,, > > ...and from there, ... who knows where we'll go? > > *** > > Prediction: a few years down the road, the rave-scene will be looked > back on as the primary networking mechanism for the tribes of star- > farers. > > But if ravers can't clean up after themselves, how are they going to > clean up the planet? > > *** > > DANCE > > If you had to have JUST ONE metaphor for it all to live by and > through, wouldn't that just be it. The spiral dance of life...so it > sounds cliched, but cliched only in words, in words... > > DANCE > > but (& rave-friends can detour here for a sec, these are words for > those who've never raved and long stopped going out to > > DANCE > > DANCE, --this kind of dance--is FREEING MOTION. Not just moving > to the beat but letting the beat help you throw off all the > constricted robotic movements that have been imprinted into your > heart, your eyes, your ears, your arms, your ass, your dreams, by all > the tricks, traumas & seductions of society; and find the REAL YOU; > dancing with the world, but dancing off the consensus-trance, that > narrow greyout rightangle robotic updown freezeframe pseudo- > reality. > > Raves signal the return to Western culture of sacred dance. A dance > that balances discipline with excess, ecstasy with focus. Look at the > three great Monotheisms that have pretty much defined our psycho- > somatic matrix: Judaism, Christianity, Islam: none of them possess > any tradition of Sacred movement; they have all been scared shitless > of the Body, and have instituted its repression in a thousand and one > subtle ways. How appropriate that the advent of a spiritualized form > of movement to the center of Civilization should present itself in a > totally decadent, seemingly profane form. And people wonder why > raves are actively suppressed back in the UK? Raves represent the > primal life-force suppressed so long ago it remains only a dim but > real memory. > > And let's get this out of the way too: dancing on a decent dose of a > psychedelic is something else again: communing with the animal > spirits encoded into the depths of your skin, letting them out of > their millenial cages. Learning how you can be each of them when > you need to be; and its also about learning how to fly, how to turn > yourself inside out into a spinning glowing disc, though that's a > little harder ... and then, once we've got that under our belts, we can > do it TOGETHER. > > It's been said before, but not clearly enough: UFOS R US. > > *** > > So what if all this prepacked ravitis costs too much. Don't leave it > to them and whine about how commercialized it all is: THROW YOUR > OWN! AND MUTATE IT WHILE YOU'RE AT IT! > > So some of the dinosaurs may not be happy seeing their way of life > superseded and want to stamp out those noisy critters scampering > between their feet; more intelligence and greater manoueverability > will be our response. Haven't we gotten sick enough of the Enemy- > Production Line? > > Social transmutation can be fun too, right? There's fun, safe vapid > alcoholic-nicoteine hedonism, letting off steam so you can return to > Monday; and then there's fun that aims high, fun allied with Will. The > path of disciplined excess (??). > > But watch this--all those scouting parties of the future will be > known by their capacity to throw great parties--and pioneer > partying as a way of throwing off the legacy of the miserable > Dominator culture we've all had to grow up in. > > *** > > RAVERS, look a little ways forward: have you wondered yet what > happens once you're burnt out after a year or two of intensive raving, > once you've lost half your hearing, the beats become stale, and the > Energy has leaked away. Where, what then? > > Define the rave for me. > > What does the verb TO RAVE really mean to you? > > But first let's list all the stuff that seems to go with it: > Acid/techno/deep house music; dancing from dusk to dawn; hi-tech > light shows; lollipops, floppyhats, dayglo pendants, smart drinks; > $15-20 tickets; zillion gigagawatts sound-systems; X,a cid, nitrous > and 2CB; goofy outfits, sexy bodies; so many inane and beatific > smiles... > > SHALL we ask together: just what is the essence of a rave? > > Suppose, just for a second that we subtract one by one each of the > above accessories. Stretch your imagination to the limit, and take > away even, yes, even THE MUSIC; till all we have left are the people, > all those people who have found each other in this beat, in these > hidden gatherings, but without the beat, just heartbeat, pulserate, > breath, ... AND THE EXCHANGE OF LOVE-ENERGIES (isn't that what sex > is, ultimately?) and each other's presence ... Radiant and revelling in > our unearthly beauty ... so here we are: much as we adore it, do we > really need the dance music to affirm our commonality, the patent > fact that we are siblings of the the same spiritual family who > through the raves have managed to find one another and in that > finding remember who each of us truly is, orphan child of eternity. > Do we need to confuse the rave with the quality of our common > presence, our moving-loving together; can't we take the essence of > the rave, freed of all the externals we associate with it, transfer > and apply that energy elsehwere, to just about anything...? > > It comes down to a challenge, a challenge posed in that leap from > normal space to hyperspace that kicks in when the 'rave' really > starts to rave: those altered moments when each of us in being > truest to our uniqueness enters into a harmonious whole; elusive as > this may be, it calls out, and asks to be realized in every moment of > our lives; it asks for creation, CREATION OF LIFE, for the nurturing > of real communities that last deeper & longer than a few hours on > the dancefloor. > > That creative energy, apply it not just to your style of dress but to > your style of BEING. Free eros & intimacy from the shackles > socially-inherited sexualities (gay vs, straight, male vs. female), > from monogamy and the neurotic fixation on genital sexuality: > > YES, CELEBRATE your arrival here at last after a long trek, but don't > forget, this is only the point of departure. These parties are our > loading docks and shipyards. (And there is Work to be done: enough > healing & cleaning for us all.) Here is where we will build not just a > House, but a ship of dreams, a starship. Woven out of LOVE. CHAOS. > LAUGHTER.IMAGINATION. WILL. > > And embark; post-nuclear families setting sail out along the > unwinding multi-dimensional origami strands of alternity... > > Our motto: > > UTOPIA OR BUST. > > > > > --Cinnamon Twist > The Barbary Coast, July 1992 > > > THE IMAGINAL RAVE is a Tribal Donut Production. Available for $2.00 > cash through the mail from Tribal Donut, 41 Sutter Street, Box 1348, > San Francisco, CA 94104. Neural Growth Factor for New Mutants. No > copyright; text may be freely sampled & reproduced, but please give > credit & contact info where possible. Copies of TRIBAL DONUT #1, 24 > pages of hi-density chaostrophy, including cameos by Hakim Bey, > Gurdjieff & Malaclypse the Younger, also available for $2.00 through > the mail from the above address. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:40:34 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: *** HOLD IT! *** NE-RAVES, EVERYONE PLEASE HOLD ON BEFORE ANY MORE DISCUSSION OF THE NE-RAVES RAVE UNTIL I CAN GET MORE DEFINATE INFO ON A TIME AND DATE. With that taken care of, realize that the point of bringing this whole idea up now was to get people on some kind of committees for the tasks that we would be having to deal with in a month or so. I wanted people to start thinking about it now, before the Winter break. DON'T GIVE UP THAT EASILY! We haven't even reached ANY difficulties yet. Money will not be a concern for us in the least until we start thinking about trying to organize transportation. Most of the DJs are Ne-ravers who are willing to do this because they fucking care about this. To sit here and discuss the rest of the details without thorough looking into is bullshit discouragement that we don't need. This is not that hard (I'm saying this after taking a 3 hour exam in VLSI circuit design, believe me when I say throwing a party--cause that's what this is--is not that difficult). It doesn't take Frankie Bones to put on a party. Anyone can do it too. You just have to have a few simple ingredients: PEOPLE to go, PEOPLE with motivation and enthusiasm to actually do it, and a place to have it. Equipment would go in their too, but the place we have has already GOT it. This is about organizing people and doing something for people cause it's important for you. We all are looking for the Perfect Vibe, let's go after that. I won't give up on this cause I'm sick of supporting RAVES where the motivation behind putting them on is to rake in capital off it. FRANKIE BONES' FULL TIME JOB IS TECHNO. HE MAKES HIS LIVING BY PEOPLE BUYING HIS RECORDS, SHOPPING AT HIS RECORD STORE, OR PAYING TO LISTEN TO HIM DJ. Your motivation would change, too, if your agenda was the same. THE REST OF US HAVE OTHER LIVES AS WELL. Most of us go to college or work or whatever. This is play for us, RAVING = PLAYING FOR NE-RAVERS RAVING = PAYCHECK FOR FRANKIE BONES This is not trying to slam anyone who makes a living that way, it's to show that our motivation is different. Jokingly, I came to a conclusion today that the reason RAVES started happening is because too many people wanted to go to the clubs and the clubs weren't big enough, so they put the would-be clubbers into a warehouse! Hey, the Raves people have been having that give out all the full colored card stock fliers are not parties, they're capitalistic ventures. Those fliers are part of a marketing scheme: it's called ADVERTISING. ADVERTISING FOR A PARTY? If you really wanted to go to a party where you wanted to be with friends and know everybody, it's highly doubtful that someone that you didn't know would be having it, or that they would be making a living off it. I, PERSONALLY, WANT TO HAVE A PARTY WITH ALL OF YOU, A BIGGER VERSION OF LAURA'S PRE-RAVE PARTIES. The closest "Rave" that I was ever at that I could consider a "party" where I felt a great vibe, was put on by the Digital Deviants in Edison NJ. It was in a train tunnel under 287 and was free. Guess who ended up showing up there? Frankie Bones, Jimmy Crash, Heather Heather, Dennis the Menance. There were only like 50 people there--most my friends--and it was fucking awesome. LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT IF THE DIGITAL DEVIANTS CAN DO IT, THEN, MY GOD, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT WE COULD DO. Let's put it this way, I'm not sure if they all graduated high school. Oh well, I know some of you are very discouraged and I was expecting that from the first, but once I start going after something, God help the person who gets in my path. I will be devoting my break to making sure we have a place to have this, whether it's the Freight Yard or a warehouse or some vacant barn in the middle of nowhere. BUT I WANT ALL OF YOU TO COME, AND I WANT TO HAVE THE NE-RAVES DJS TO SPIN, AND THE NE-RAVES BANDS TO PLAY, AND THE NE-RAVES PARTY TO GIVE US ALL A NIGHT THAT WE CAN FEEL "REAL" ENERGY. I don't know what it's gonna take to get you all out here or where ever, but if you're interested in going to a party with as many Ne-ravers as possible and people who truely are into the unity and positive energy thing, let me know if there are even people to put this on for. Send me a e-mail message stating your name, city, state, phone number, and a positive response and that's it. If noone responds that there interested in this, then at least I'll know where yoy all stand: either you walk it or you don't. Money will not be what this is about. ARE YOU INTO IT OR NOT? Into it wholeheartedly, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu (C) d i r e c t f r o m M A R S tm "...out of this world cyber-wear" =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 20:48:15 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Ne-raves rave... (?) I mentioned the possibility of an ne-raves rave to Dante on the phone the other day and he was very interested in the whole idea of helping/playing in any way..(he is hoping to get on the net sometime in the not too distant future..) So if you guys agree on a space/date etc. you should definitely get in touch with him.. he would very much like to be involved.. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Dec 1992 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: providence rave new years eve hey.. i'm looking for a ride to providence on new years eve. i'll be in northern, central connecticut at the time. i might be able to get a ride from friends, if they go.. if not, i'm outta luck. if anyone can help, let me know.. thanks. love. rave. hack. dream. >>taylor.808 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:29:19 -0500 From: technopagan priest ANNOUNCING DCRAVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Official description: * This list is dedicated to the burgeoning rave scene in the Washington * D.C.-Baltimore area. it is intended to be a free-form "chatty" mailing * list, with reviews of raves, reviews of dk's, announcements of * upcoming events, a weekly calender, and discussions about the scene in * general. Unofficially: We hope this can be a way of bringing the DC electronic raver scene together. This list is not a replacement for NE-RAVES, nor for alt.rave, but simply another level of regional specificity. Clearly there is much interest in Raves in this area, and the DC-Baltimore scene is becoming a very good one, offering a good mix of trancy and hardcore beats. And heck, maybe we all can get together sometime! TO SUBSCRIBE TO DCRAVES: Send email to listserv@auvm.american.edu, and include this in the first line of your message: SUBscribe DCRAVES Thereafter you can send mail to dcraves@auvm.american.edu, and it will go out to the rest of the list. There are also some neat listerv commands you can access...send "HELP" as the first line of a message to listsevr@auvm.american.edu for more information. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 08:56 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: lost + found It's been over a week since the pre-Rave pre-Christmas party, and I'm finally getting around to cleaning up after it. Okay, so I'm a slob. Lots of good people are slobs. Look at Oscar Madison -- he was the one who always had all the fun. Anyway, so far I've found the following in my apartment. If it's yours, or know who's it is, please drop me a line. blue ski/ravey boy hat (I think this belongs to Chris at Lehigh, but he doesn't have an email address. Can someone send me his mailbox number at school, or find out from him how he'd like to get the hat back from me?) cassette tape (I think this is the one that Charles from Ohio lost, but he doesn't have an email address either, so I need one of his friends to help me out here.) Dr. Scholl's Foot Powder big candy cane this plastic thing that when you look through it breaks up your sight like an insect's eyes Laura (laura@usl.com) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 08:56 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: lost + found It's been over a week since the pre-Rave pre-Christmas party, and I'm finally getting around to cleaning up after it. Okay, so I'm a slob. Lots of good people are slobs. Look at Oscar Madison -- he was the one who always had all the fun. Anyway, so far I've found the following in my apartment. If it's yours, or know who's it is, please drop me a line. blue ski/ravey boy hat (I think this belongs to Chris at Lehigh, but he doesn't have an email address. Can someone send me his mailbox number at school, or find out from him how he'd like to get the hat back from me?) cassette tape (I think this is the one that Charles from Ohio lost, but he doesn't have an email address either, so I need one of his friends to help me out here.) Dr. Scholl's Foot Powder big candy cane this plastic thing that when you look through it breaks up your sight like an insect's eyes Laura (laura@usl.com) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Dec 92 09:25:09 EDT From: Subject: HAPPY HOLIDAZE [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 10:30:45 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: RE: Happy Holidaze / Imaginal Rave HEY ALL YOU RAVING LUNATIX. I JUST WANTED TO SAY : Golden Boy Writes: ************************************************************************** * * * !!! M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S AND H A P P Y N E W Y E A R !!! * * * ************************************************************************** OR HAPPY KWANZA OR AH SALAM AH LEHKUM (sp?) OR HAPPY CHANUKAH (I only spelled that right cause there's a calendar here) OR HAVE A NICE DAY (<--- MORMANS,JEHOVAHS WITNESSES AND HARI KRISHNAS) OR FOR YOU SCROOGY PEOPLE.... ....HAVE A MERRYCHRISTMASNEWYEARKWANZACHANUKAHNICEDAY.... ....AND I HOPE THE GHOST OF CHRISTMAS PAST SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF YOU ! :) Just wanted to echo the sentiments! By the way, phonetically speaking, its Ah Salam ah leykum (peace be on you, translated literally from arabic). As for the imaginal rave: > DANCE, --this kind of dance--is FREEING MOTION. Not just moving > to the beat but letting the beat help you throw off all the > constricted robotic movements that have been imprinted into your > heart, your eyes, your ears, your arms, your ass, your dreams, by all > the tricks, traumas & seductions of society; and find the REAL YOU; > dancing with the world, but dancing off the consensus-trance, that > narrow greyout rightangle robotic updown freezeframe pseudo- > reality. > People have been dancing for years and years and years and years...... > Raves signal the return to Western culture of sacred dance. A dance > that balances discipline with excess, ecstasy with focus. Look at the > three great Monotheisms that have pretty much defined our psycho- > somatic matrix: Judaism, Christianity, Islam: none of them possess > any tradition of Sacred movement; they have all been scared shitless > of the Body, and have instituted its repression in a thousand and one > subtle ways. How appropriate that the advent of a spiritualized form > of movement to the center of Civilization should present itself in a > totally decadent, seemingly profane form. And people wonder why > raves are actively suppressed back in the UK? Raves represent the > primal life-force suppressed so long ago it remains only a dim but > real memory. Rave == Religion?!?!? "... Your taking this trip too far .cause Reality used to be a friend of mine" (or something like that) - PM DAWN. HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT (AND SAFE) HOLIDAY. Maa aL salama (Go with Peace, Arabic again) ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:36 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: HAPPY HOLIDAZE > HEY ALL YOU RAVING LUNATIX. I JUST WANTED TO SAY : > > ************************************************************************** > * * > * !!! M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S AND H A P P Y N E W Y E A R !!! * > * * > ************************************************************************** > > OR HAPPY KWANZA > OR AH SALAM AH LEHKUM (sp?) > OR HAPPY CHANUKAH (I only spelled that right cause there's a calendar here) > OR HAVE A NICE DAY (<--- MORMANS,JEHOVAHS WITNESSES AND HARI KRISHNAS) > OR FOR YOU SCROOGY PEOPLE.... > ....HAVE A MERRYCHRISTMASNEWYEARKWANZACHANUKAHNICEDAY.... > ....AND I HOPE THE GHOST OF CHRISTMAS PAST SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF YOU ! :) This is not a flame, but I just wanted to point out that Mormons (note spelling) celebrate Christmas just like the other Christian religions, and we say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 10:47 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Raving Spirituality [someone, not Hani, wrote about raving and dancing] > Raves represent the > primal life-force suppressed so long ago it remains only a dim but > real memory. To which Hani replied: >Rave == Religion?!?!? "... Your taking this trip too far .cause Reality used >to be a friend of mine" (or something like that) - PM DAWN. This very discussion is going on right now in alt.rave . For me, the key is NOT that rave is a form of religion, but rather a form of personal ecstatic mystical/spiritual expression that does not exist in organized religion as *I* know it (Catholicism). [Note: your mileage on this may vary. This is just how I've seen things.] In fact, it does not exist in most other places in everyday life. Anyway, something "spiritual" is not necessarily "religious" _to me_, as my definition of religion is the ordered, organized, lots-of-rules-and-laws-and-thoughts-ground-into-you-without- questioning type of thing. Some people find great beauty and peace in traditional religious order. For others, religion is very free-form (and also very personal). But I digress. So, it is conceivable that for some people raving is a form of religion, and for others it is a form of social gathering (party) and for others it is somewhere in-between (a freeing of myself from the everyday and rational to just EXPERIENCE the environment around me instead of manipulating and interpreting it constantly). Whatever you want to call it, however you want to interpret it, is up to the individual. None of these interpretations is the RIGHT interpretation because there is no such thing as a RIGHT interpretation. Collectively, we acknowldege the *it* I'm referring to as THE VIBE. Love the vibe, feel the vibe, feed the vibe, and most of all respect the vibe: if someone wants to interpret the vibe religiously that's their own affair (until it intrudes on your other people's recognition and enjoyment of the vibe, which constitutes non-respect on the intruder's part in my book). Drive safely, rave happily, and all that, Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ted schwantsky= the enhanced one Subject: INTERFACE. design. me..if you give a fuck Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 11:10:16 EST kind of depressing. i get off work at 9am (from being at work since 9pm) and i get my check for $66 (i thought i would have had $120). i go up to read my e-mail for the first time in << 3 >> days and i see a flub of mail, most of which it being at first a lot of people who are seemingly defending me, for the most part about the flyer (thanks mike and golden boy, a lot.. really!) and all the shit and ruckass about it. here is what has been happening with me. i have worked sunday, 12-9pm, monday, 9-9am, tuesday 9-9am, and tonight, 9-9am. within that i have been staying up incredible amounts of hours playing with adobe dimensions, the new 3d program by adobe as well as freehand. i have slept maybe 3 hours in the last 3 days. i am not trying to give you a stupid sob story, i realize what the hell i am doing. i just feel compelled to stay up like this. i do not have a computer at home that i can use to read e-mail from. i was close to it a week ago but the apple IIe mike brown gave me has been having problems using 1200 baud. it only wants to do 300 baud. so.. i thought, maybe i could pick up a dumb terminal from work. they told me, they are $30 from OSU surplus. i haven;t the money to spend on it. and i have been working on some music lately as well. i think i have pushed my limits, yet still not achieved what i wish to accomplish in my time period/age thing.... i feel as if i am just not getting ahead. when i was at laura's a week and a half ago, i felt so high on life, like there were no worries and we were all just happy and being friends and all. there were a few moments/situations that could have been better, but that is life. it is funny, how we drift from one thing to another without even blinking... just kind of letting something surface out of nowhere and get all excited about such a big kick out of it. i still do it and i kick my self in the ass everytime. this can refer to a lot of things. i realize, seriously, how foolish some of my actions are, much, much too late in the scheme of things. last weekend was great, but i think that to attempt to get things exactly how they were that weekend would be impossible and stupid. also, things you feel one day may change the next day, or week.... you start to really think and dwell upon a subject and a different answer may come out of it. that is life. none of this will change. in one form or another, there will always be an element of surprise. when we get something "exactly as we planned," it it time for us to die. it must be. which can now let me lead into our next subject: INTERFACE i understand that we are organizing a party of mostly friends to get together and jam and cool out and "geek," if our self-indulgence is running high. what becomes of this party (if i maybe suggest such a term) is unknown but if things run "exactly as we planned" right now it will be pretty scary. i guess i should make a wish list for good old santa, the sysadmin. it would include: us being with each other fun good vibe between each other (ie not saying, who we like and who we don;t) nice, electronically created music and even some acoustic instruments as well. to me this is about all i wish for INTERFACE to have been. i guess i am really starting to hate how big gigs turn out...a weaker vibe and stronger attitude is what i see. this is about all i have to say about the party itself. as for the flyer, if you really really want to say you sent me mail a thousand times and you tried calling (whoa! there's a new trick if you REALLY really needed to get a hold of me. it is in my signature. as if you haven't seen it already) you can usually find me. i would like to be able to get on the net at will but it is just out right impossible for me to do this. headers like: "WHAT THE FUCK TODD" have made me rethink what i am about to do. i would be more than happy to do the flyers, even work with someone else.. but with attitudes like that who needs enemies? if this is what it comes down to, which is losing a lot of respect for your who you thought were your good buddies, then i will pass. i love my friends. they are the greatest. i couldn't ask for a better bunch. i guess i value these more than anything.. so, i will not push myself any further. when i know the information, then we will have flyers. if we have problems this way (as it seems it does) i will be the first to go since damian is soo fucking set on applying his newly-found macintosh skills to do this he wants to kill me. remember: design experience comes with computers. i do not claim to call my self a graphic designer. and, life does not revolve around biting soap detergent design. good luck all you ne-ravers... sines ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body-release----------- ----------------------------------------------ted schwantzky--614.299.9529----- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:01:54 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: rave <---> religion going a bit further, a rave embodies just about every idea that technopaganism is built upon. There is an overwhelming sense of technology (the effects the music...), the ritualistic feeling, praying (dancing ) to the god(ess)s. If you would like, I"ll even send you my technopagan rave prayer... Further, like Laura, I too get a feeling of spirituality that I get from nowhereelse (like what you are supposed to get from religion ). Now you can say this is all phooey, and when you rave, it's just a great experience, but I can almost promise you there are many other people that feel the same way I do. But you know...what ever makes you happy, so we're not going to try to say "YOU MUST BELIEVE!". digital.druid cc: hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 12:34:52 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Laura writes: This very discussion is going on right now in alt.rave. I don't get alt.rave so, I wouldn't mind discussing this here. I find the subject interesting. Besides, its christmas time and I don't feel like working. Also, some things I will say will be to provoke (not to flame). As I said, this discussion could get interesting and the only way to formulate a good opinion and to learn is to get a broad discussion (provoke). However, if this is not what is supposed to be discussed on this list, don't respond or just respond to me. digital druid writes: Further, like Laura, I too get a feeling of spirituality that I get from nowhereelse (like what you are supposed to get from religion ). Now you can say this is all phooey, and when you rave, it's just a great experience, but I can almost promise you there are many other people that feel the same way I do. I sorry if you misinterpreted what I was saying. I wasn't saying that this is all phooey. My interpretation of the selection that I cut out was that the person writing it was implying that raving was to be a religion. That was my iterpretation. I arrived at this interpretation because of the comparision to the montheistic religions. Religion is a combination of spirituality as well as dogma and rules to live by. So in that respect, I would say that raving to be a religion would be 'phooey'. It is contradictory to the sense of what raving is as presented by people on the net. Getting a sense of spirituality, a high, from a rave is fine. I get it. I also get that feeling other places as well. BTW, lets hear your prayer. Laura writes: > For me, the key >is NOT that rave is a form of religion, but rather a form of personal >ecstatic mystical/spiritual expression that does not exist in organized >religion as *I* know it (Catholicism). [Note: your mileage on this may >vary. This is just how I've seen things.] In fact, it does not exist in most >other places in everyday life. I agree that it is a form of expression but dancing has been a form of expression for ages. Whether it is ballet,ball room dancing, 'modern dance', breakdancing or raving. This talk about freeing your body through dance is not something new. I feel that dance and music is more a function of ones customs and culture than ones religion. Granted, this is changing as our world becomes smaller. For me, whats new about raves are the combination of a relatively new type of music with a relatively new type of visual stimulation. The thing that brings it all together is the general postiveness that is exhibited by most people who attend. This combination is why I attend. I can feel postiveness with friends over dinner or sitting at home watching a movie. I can listen to techno/rave and home or at a club. Visual stimulation - well thats everywhere. The combination is what is interesting and fun to me. [taken from the imaginal rave] > Raves represent the > primal life-force suppressed so long ago it remains only a dim but > real memory. I didn't understand this so I can't respond to it. What is the primal life-force and when was it suppressed? It is true that dance does not exist in some organized religions (although some do embrace dancing & singing). However, I don't feel that religion has always suppressed it (BTW,I am not that religions [islam]). As I said earlier, music & dancing is more a characteristic of ones culture. One thing I don't understand is that ecstatic mystical/spiritual expression. I am assuming that you are referring to the dancing and the 'vibe' that exists at a rave. I get a high (a sense of spirituality if you will) at a rave. However, I get a high from a lot of other places in everyday life. >So, it is conceivable that for some people raving is a form of religion, and >for others it is a form of social gathering (party) and for others it is >somewhere in-between (a freeing of myself from the everyday and rational to >just EXPERIENCE the environment around me instead of manipulating and >interpreting it constantly). Whatever you want to call it, however you want >to interpret it, is up to the individual. This is why I felt that the the rave-religion [my interpretation of what was written in the imaginal rave] to be 'taking the trip to far'. Its up to the individual which isn't always the case with religions. None of these interpretations is >the RIGHT interpretation because there is no such thing as a RIGHT >interpretation. Collectively, we acknowldege the *it* I'm referring to >as THE VIBE. > Is this like the FORCE? <- A Joke! Just a joke. I still don't understand what you call the VIBE. Friendship? Happiness? I in >Love the vibe, feel the vibe, feed the vibe, and most of all respect the vibe: >if someone wants to interpret the vibe religiously that's their own affair >(until it intrudes on your other people's recognition and enjoyment of the >vibe, which constitutes non-respect on the intruder's part in my book). > > I apologize for the lack of flow in some of my responses. Its hard to [try to] do work and respond. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: holiday cheer (?) to all my ne-ravers: i hope it's not just me, but, everything seems to have falled apart over the las couple of weeks. our rave is deteriorating because we can't organize anything...friendships are dying all over the place.. and the general vibe on this list is getting weak. i don't know what hashappened over the past few weeks.. i'm hoping that it's just finals stress ('cos that's what it was with me) that is causing so much fighting...it really really makes me upset. and there's a few people who i feel totally out of touch with. i hope that as the end of the semester has ended.. and people are going home or whereever to be with family, that when we all come back we will have realized where we went wrong, and begin to miss what we had. i do believe it's general stress that putting everyone on the edge and i believe that we can get over it... get off our butts and start to act like friends again. no one has meant anyone harm on all of this flyer/name arguments. i feel bad for bringing up the name INTERFACE again..just when people were starting to settle on BIT RAVE. to everyone who feels like their getting flamed: try not to worry too much about it.. and realize how hard it is to organize something with 200 people. no harm has been meant, i'm sure. which brings to mind: we're trying to put together our graduating senior photography catalog for the senior show in school for the end of the semester.. there are 30 people in the photo class... and we have gotten NOWHERE on deciding a catalog design. COMMITTEES CANNOT MAKE DECISIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE person has the be the overseer of all of this (i think mars, 'cos it was his idea and he proposed it) this person should say .. ok.. these are the rave names: INTERFACE or BIT RAVE. VOTE ON ONE OF THEM! if you don't vote, yo don't get heard.. he collects the votes.. a couple days later the name is ALL SET. then he says.. ok TODD IS DOING THE FLYERS...SOANDSO ARE DOING SOUND. DAVID IS PHOTOGRAPHING..etcc... we're going to keep going in circles and circles and circles the way we're doing it now.. just a thought. (and a worry)... well, i don't wan to say goodbye on a sad note.. i'm leaving today for home and will be back (after the providence new years rave) on the 2nd of january. i'm going to miss you guys a lot.. and i'm going to melt without net accesss...i hope that when i return.. and that when everyone returns who's away, that maybe there will be some love back on this list. friendships are more important than raves. if this ne-rave is going to break up friendships, then let's just not do it...and so far, that's all iv'e seen. IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET BACK ON TRACK! i wish everyone happy holidays.. no matter what you celebrate or do...as long as you're smiling, then that's the best.. i will miss you all. sniff.. be safe. take care. rave hard. dream. smile. hack. love. >>taylor.808.trance.machine [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:58:12 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: names when was the last time you refused to go to a rave because you didn't like it's name? remember people.. although it's fun to have your hands in the creation of our own rave.. we cannot all do it at once. a name is a fucking name. it's not gonna change the vibe. call it what you want.. and i think that should be TODD's choice.. 'cos he's doing the flyers.. >>taylor.rave.love.hack [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:08:28 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Okay, I agree there...I can't see how raving is a religion. To me religion is a belief system or a philosophy, not an act/ritual in itself. Now you did say that religion is/dictates rules to live by. There is a sort-of unwritten rave ethic about the love/peace/unity thing...rules to live by. You also mention that in some other religions that music and dance is embraced but it is almost always a means to praise the divinity. For those of us who get this spiritual feeling from raving, dance is a personal ecstacy, a means of total seclusion where nothing else matters for a while...it's you, the music, and to an extent, the technoshaman (DJ), everything else is ignored. As you can see raving is a very personal thing with me, this is the reason why the crowd (who contribute to the vibe) make a big difference at a rave. disclaimer for the rave prayer: don't take this as literally as it sounds, it's just very pagan (wiccan) influenced. If you want to really discuss it in detail send me private e-mail and we will discuss it there... Technopagan's Rave Prayer We thank the Technology Godess for giving us the ability to rave. We desire that through the rave ritual we can use technology to bring the people of the world together in peace by means of dance. We finally wish that the Technology Godess will receive our ecstasy while raving as an offering and a celebration of her omnipotence. --Blessed Be and Rave on... also this was written a while ago...my belief systems change...read it lightly. digital.druid by cyberpun@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: holiday cheer (?) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 11:29:35 MST > ONE person has the be the overseer of all of this Too many cooks in the kitchen? I should have "If you want it done right, do it yourself" tatooed into my forehead. I've learned from past experience that if you depend on someone else, you usually get burned. Brian B definitely took the reins for the raves he's done, I think he'd agree with me. The one problem you folks seem to be having is that nobody wants to be labeled head honcho. I think it is either down to La La or Mars. La La has definitely delegated, but beware of too much delegation. People will always flake for some reason or another. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:37:46 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu Subject: Song ID From: IN%"ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu" 20-DEC-1992 00:24:31.45 To: IN%"mw-raves@engin.umich.edu" CC: Subj: Song ID help! Return-path: Received: from srvr2.engin.umich.edu by minna.iit.edu (PMDF #2774 ) id <01GSIPBJFNK0935BND@minna.iit.edu>; Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:22:58 CST Received: from mail4.engin.umich.edu by srvr2.engin.umich.edu (5.64/1.35) id AA25104; Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:25:47 -0500 Received: from srvr2.engin.umich.edu by mail4.engin.umich.edu (5.64/1.35) id 5d10630f9.000b141; Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:25:14 -0500 Received: from karl.iit.edu by srvr2.engin.umich.edu (5.64/1.35) id AA25099; Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:25:11 -0500 Received: from minna.iit.edu by minna.iit.edu (PMDF #2774 ) id <01GSIP63IFNQ8ZEIRL@minna.iit.edu>; Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:21:29 CST Date: 20 Dec 1992 00:21:29 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu Subject: Song ID help! To: mw-raves@engin.umich.edu Message-id: <01GSIP63IFNS8ZEIRL@minna.iit.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@engin.umich.edu", "IN%"NE-RAVES@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello....just wondering if you know the name/artist/label of this song I heard today. I had heard it before...maybe six months ago? I can't really say. Vocals include "We'll all feel good." and at the end a female voice saying, "Why don't you touch me?" The beat is really original....the song is sort of trancey....... Please help. Peace. -The Custom One [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:43:38 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: Raving Spirituality For me, Raving is a very spiritual thing. I love the feeling of tribal dance energy that permeates the floor, the next-worldness of the colorful lights, the hypnotic driving beat, and the sense of unity. Often at raves, a laser jock friend of mine will put his portable HeNe on the ground, and a bunch of us will dance around it in a circle, praising the Mistress of Technology, or whatever technopagan deity one cares to conjure up. We then invite others to come by and put their hand in the pure, coherent light, and play with it. The red beam shooting up the ceiling it not just an altar, but a beacon to our comrades lost in the energy of it all, that here there is Evian and Spree, the blood and flesh of the Rave god, that will bring you dancing salvation till dawn. Are Raves religion? Well, clearly there are people who go to Raves every saturday night with the same "religion" as some who go to church every sunday. Just as long as you keep your perspective on things, I wouldn't worry...I think there is a bit of spirituality inside all of us, and if Raves can tap into that for you, good! (Hint: Just because I'm a Technopagan priest doesn't mean I'm not an atheist...read Joseph Campbell :) Blessed be, and Rave On! -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Dec 1992 12:40:49 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu Subject: Another Song ID Anyone know the song with "What would you like to hear?" and "Let's hear it!" Sounds a bit like DJ PCs "Inssomniak"..... Thanks -The Custom One [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 13:38 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Hani wrote: >>Laura writes: >>This very discussion is going on right now in alt.rave. I didn't mean to say you can't talk about it. I just meant that if you want to see more than what comes up here then you can also have a look there. There's a lot of flamage going on over there, though. >Religion is a combination of spirituality as well as >dogma and rules to live by. So in that respect, I would say that raving to be >a religion would be 'phooey'. Good point. And if raving gets to the point where there is dogma and rules to live by (what do we wear? what do we dance to? how many intellabeams do we have to have for it to be considered a "real" rave), then it sure the heck isn't raving anymore, as far as I am concerned. Sometimes I wonder what is going on in Frankie Bones' head when he exhorts us to "live a hardcore lifestyle" (from a letter in _Under One Sky_ #8). What the HECK is THAT supposed to mean, Frankie, and why does it sound to me somewhat along the lines of "living a [insert-any-organized-religious-sect-here] lifestyle"? >I feel that dance and music is more a function of ones customs >and culture than ones religion. And for a long time mainstream white culture in America actually discouraged dancing. Some Protestant religous sects outlaw it (like the Lutheran sect my mother was brought up under). Other groups of people frown on dancing beacuse it is viewed as being linked with other so-called "bad" behaviors such as drinking and sex. Ballroom dancing is very very abstract ritualized dancing. Very formal compared to raving (I am trained as a competitive ballroom dancer, so I like to think I know what I am talking about here). It still gives a type of expression and release, but not as strongly or intently as raving, dancing around a Shamen's bonfire, or any other form of ecstatic dancing. On the other hand, while raving gets out a lot of energy and connects you with your body in one way, it lacks aesthetic refinement and the personal satisfaction that comes with some of the more elegant (i.e. aesthetically refined) forms of dancing such as ballroom dancing or ballet (which I also have experience with). >For me, whats new about raves are the combination of a relatively new type of >music with a relatively new type of visual stimulation. Yes and no. Techno music is very stripped-down compared to many other forms of music that have evolved. In many ways its closer to ancient and tribal music -- the reliance on a steady beat, the sparing use of melody, etc. And as for visual stimulation, all that the intellbeams and lasers really are are high-tech forms of ancient bonfires. >What is the primal >life-force and when was it suppressed? The primal urge to live, to experience, to express, to be aware of what is going on at every moment, to be PART of every moment, rather than having your brain running forward to the future while you ignore the present. For example, right now while I am typing my brain is actually running to the future to generate the next words I am going to type. (Of course, there is no other way to handle typing -- if I were just living for the moment of typing right now all that would come up on the screen would be random key hits.) We spend most of our lives like this. While we are having sex a corner of our mind wonders about doing the laundry. While we are watching a movie we're debating plot holes. None of this is bad. But think, when was the last time you (THE GENERIC YOU, OKAY) felt fully present to a moment? That you were were so aware of what was going on around you that you felt totally part of whatever it was or wherever it was, and the past and the future did not matter. If you've ever run a long way or swum a long way or done other forms of atheletic training you're probably used to such moments -- it's like being in a zone where all you are is action, not thought and analysis and thinking. It's a very cool feeling, and if you can get there while doing atheletic training you KNOW that when you are feeling that way you are having a very great atheletic performance. You are feeling yourself being alive. All there is is you and life, not you and life and you thinking about life and you wondering about life and you worrying about life. You are feeling the primal life-force. As the world has gotten more complex, people spend more time having to worry about life and think about life than simply enjoying life and expressing their enjoyment. As a consequence of that, people started losing touch with that primal life-force feeling. >However, I don't feel that religion has always >suppressed it (BTW,I am not that religions [islam]). You are right -- religion as NOT always supressed dance. In fact, the matriarchical religions based in ancient Phoencia ENCOURAGED it (they also encouraged having sex with the high priestess as a way of becoming closer to the supreme being). But I don't want to get into a matriarchical vs. patriarchical religion debate because I really don't know enough to carry my weight about it yet. Anyway, there are religions (patriarchical and matriarchical) that encourage dancing. It's just that some of the Christian sects somewhere along the way got the idea that bodies were bad things, and so started teaching people to hate their bodies. >One thing I don't understand is that ecstatic mystical/spiritual expression. I >am assuming that you are referring to the dancing and the 'vibe' that exists >at a rave. I get a high (a sense of spirituality if you will) at a rave. >However, I get a high from a lot of other places in everyday life. You, Hani, are very fortunate then. To be able to access a kind of mystical or spiritual high in many areas of your life is a beautiful thing. So many people (that I've seen in America at least) don't get it from ANYTHING, and spend their lives looking for something to give them that. >Its up to the >individual which isn't always the case with religions. Wow, I never made this connection -- as long as it is up to the individual then it isn't an (organized) religion. This is cool. Of course, there are Christian sects (Congregationalists) where the people make LOTS AND LOTS of decisions about how they worship. This is really cool, and is sort of an intermediate point between personal worship/spirituality and some of the older established religions like Catholocism. >>Collectively, we acknowldege the *it* I'm referring to >>as THE VIBE. >> > >Is this like the FORCE? <- A Joke! Just a joke. Actually, YES. It is a bit like the Force. I just barely made the connection this second. >I still don't understand what you call the VIBE. Friendship? Happiness? Friendship, happiness, a feeling of saftey and well-being, love, oneness with the moment at hand, with what is present, rather than being preoccupied with what is missing. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Dec 1992 13:07:10 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu Subject: Techno Tshirts Anyone know where I can get some techno artists' or record labels' T-shirts? Like Underground Resistance, Altern 8, Rising High, Rotterdam.....etc. -The Custom One Some dope tracks...SOUP * new york-paris-chicago, CAJMERE - dreaming ep, SONZ OFA LOOP DA LOOP ERA - peace and loveism. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Dec 92 14:43:11 EDT From: Subject: Re: names > a name is a fucking name. > > and i think that should be TODD's choice.. 'cos he's doing the flyers.. > > >>taylor.rave.love.hack I agree with >>taylor.rave.love.hack - let it be sines' choice. That way one simple issue is dealt with. Peace,love,docs and Swahili Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 13:48 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: holiday cheer (?) Experienced rave-thrower Pete Ashdown writes: >The one problem you folks seem to be >having is that nobody wants to be labeled head honcho. > >I think it is either down to La La or Mars. La La has definitely delegated, >but beware of too much delegation. Ahh, so I have a "handle" now. Hummm. I really don't want to play head honcho for a few reasons: (1) I don't want to be viewed as a bitch who threw a temper tantrum and then took over, because that view would be erroneous and would hurt my feelings besides. (2) You all know I already have my own agenda of things that I do for ne-raves. It's more than high time for me to allow other people to have the responsiblity and accompanying glory. Having the rest of you all plan a rave without me playing den mommie would allow you to create something of your own rather than me hogging things up. (3) I just plain don't want to be in charge. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:21:09 EST Subject: Happy Holidays... I wish all my fellow ravers HAPPY HOLIDAYS. Let's stop all the fighting/name calling/negativity and stick together as one big family, shall we! Peace, TAREQ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:52 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: RAVE in the GREAT WHITE NORTH Mary-Kathyrn from Nova Scotia just sent this to me, and I'm posting it now (plus adding it to rave-o-matic) in hopes that anyone who's interested will see the flyer before taking off for break: ============================================================== CHSR-FM 97.9 & TranceAtlantic Productions Present: R E S U R R E C T I O N Featuring DJ BRAIN (Halifax, Nova Scotia) with DJ Nonsense and DJ MIR FRIDAY - JANUARY 8, 1993 At the University of New Brunswick, Student Union Building Cafeteria in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada ============================== Doors open 9:30 pm til 4:00 am Tickets $5.00 (students) 7.00 (non-students) ================================= Smart bar by S.M.A.R.T. P.A.C.C. ======================================================= [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 14:22:58 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: RE: Happy Holidaze / Imaginal Rave > > Raves signal the return to Western culture of sacred dance. A dance > > that balances discipline with excess, ecstasy with focus. Look at the > > three great Monotheisms that have pretty much defined our psycho- > > somatic matrix: Judaism, Christianity, Islam: none of them possess > > any tradition of Sacred movement; they have all been scared shitless > > of the Body, and have instituted its repression in a thousand and one > > subtle ways. How appropriate that the advent of a spiritualized form > > of movement to the center of Civilization should present itself in a > > totally decadent, seemingly profane form. And people wonder why > > raves are actively suppressed back in the UK? Raves represent the > > primal life-force suppressed so long ago it remains only a dim but > > real memory. > > > Rave == Religion?!?!? "... Your taking this trip too far .cause Reality used > to be a friend of mine" (or something like that) - PM DAWN. Where does it say that Rave == Religion? It says that rave is a spiritualized form of movement. Read it again. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: lost + found Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:03:38 EST > cassette tape (I think this is the one that Charles from Ohio lost, but > he doesn't have an email address either, so I need one of his > friends to help me out here.) play it. is it rap? i think boogie down productions are on one side, das efx on the other. if so, it is charles'. it hasn't turned up here. i was kind of troubled by your 'I GIVE UP' post. i guess i don't really understand why you are so frustrated. i'm not saying that you should be 'head honcho'. i'm just saying that you seemed to be really upset over people throwing their two cents in and not reaching consistent agreements instead of proceeding in a more structured, committee-like manner... and it doesn't seem to me like it should be that big of a deal that things are not going as smoothly as you would have liked. i look at it in a positive light: people feel very strongly about this rave even though it has only been an idea bouncing around in cyberspace for little more than a week. We've already got half of the work done, knowing that a fair number of people plan on going and we'll have no problem with dj's and bands -- even if we don't get a single person more to spin or play, we've got plenty, and there are advantages to not having 10 djs in one night (see UOS interview with plus 8). So maybe i am being way to laid back about this but i say 'whats the problem?' ... all 200 ne-ravers aren't at each other's throats. i don't believe for a second that even the person who felt slighted when he didn't get to organize the name thing democratically would want to see everyone say at the first sign of disagreement: 'thats it, i quit, you guys can't decide on anything, i have better things to do, hell with you all.' if you don't want to do anything for the rave, that's fine. only about 10% of the people receiving this list have posted to it since we've been discussing the rave in allentown, so you shouldn't feel like we all expect you to be a part of it just because you're an ne-raver, or because you successfully organize so many other things (<--compliment) ...most of the ne-ravers aren't doing anything more than going to the rave or reading about it. but the tone of your message was so angry it made me sad. i really didn't think that everything was as bad as you made it out to be. maybe i am wrong, i dunno. my humble opinion. mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: akasha@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Greetings! Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:45:10 EST Happy Holidays everyone! Just dropping a note a bit ahead of time to say that I'm planning on driving down to Essence from Boston, and I have room for 3 to 4 people in my car, so if anyone needs a ride, let me know! Hope you all have a great holiday filled with love and peace! ^^^^ ^^^^^ Happily, Christa Starr (non-vocal shy member of the list ;) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: *** HOLD IT! *** From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 19:42:58 EST THANK YOU for saving the spirit of this rave. I was afraid it was going to die in a wave of bickering and division. Also, you HAVE gotten my mail of many days ago, including many suggestions and stuff, right? I sent mail to you and Sines, and haven't received a reply from either yet, and have seen posts on the net from both of oyu. Makes me wonder if a packet died somewhere or something. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 20:18:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (oranges and lemons) Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Someone clue me; Because I don't see any of the tribal references or "spiritual" references discussed about raving. I see a rave as a place where I can go and dnace with my friends, have a good time, and go home. I do "feel" a vibe at a rave, but you can feel that at a club, or at anyplace you go.You can feel the mood in a store or even in an open park. It's a 6th sense of sorts, and it's always active. Frankie bones says "live a hardcore lifestyle" Bzzt. Wrong. Live your own life. Take outside situations in, and create your own internal system of beliefs instead of being swallowed by the masses. Why allow anything to create a religion for you to follow... Even buddist religions center around beilef in ones self and thinking for yourself. LL>.... Techno music is very stripped-down compared to many LL>other forms of music that have evolved. In many ways its closer LL>to ancient and tribal music -- the reliance on a steady beat, the LL>sparing use of melody, etc. And as for visual stimulation, all LL>that the intellbeams and lasers really are are high-tech forms LL>of ancient bonfires. This I can completely agree with.. but worshipping said high-tech bonfires? I don't understand. I'm a geek, and I love my toys but to the point of worship, ennnnhhhh.. no... I'm still human and have a life. As Thomas said, if raves are tapping something inside of you , and it works for you, all well and good. It's making you happy and you're enjoying yourself. But I don't understand where it goes from making you happy to this all-encompassing spiritual-cyber-blast-experience... Confused. -jna [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:57:29 -0500 From: Digital Druid Okay guys, tell me what you think about this idea: I have a place in baltimore that is rather vacant at the moment. It's a rowhouse with plenty of space plus a sauna and a squash court (yes..). The first friday in january there is going to be Brainwave in baltimore and the following day is Liquid Holiday in DC. If enough of you would come, I could open the doors to you guys and have like a rave-weekend thing. Is this an okay idea? Would anyone be interested? digital.druid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: The Imaginal Rave Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 22:47:31 -0500 From: Mamawaldi and her Voodoo Doll [---- begin message reference ----] <> > A heretical thought, no doubt. "Free your ass and your mind will > follow," so said George Clinton. But hey, he was just another crass > capitalistic rock star, right? George Clinton said "Free your mind and your ass will follow." <> > Our motto: > > UTOPIA OR BUST. > > --Cinnamon Twist > The Barbary Coast, July 1992 > > THE IMAGINAL RAVE is a Tribal Donut Production. Available for $2.00 > cash through the mail from Tribal Donut, 41 Sutter Street, Box 1348, > San Francisco, CA 94104. Neural Growth Factor for New Mutants. No > copyright; text may be freely sampled & reproduced, but please give > credit & contact info where possible. Copies of TRIBAL DONUT #1, 24 > pages of hi-density chaostrophy, including cameos by Hakim Bey, > Gurdjieff & Malaclypse the Younger, also available for $2.00 through > the mail from the above address. [---- end message reference ----] Dang. They want 2 ducats for THIS? Peace and shit, ____ ____ | \ / | ____________________________________________________________ | |\ \/ /| | James Trammell University of Michigan | | \ / | | trammell@engin.umich.edu | | \/ | | ____________________________________________________________ |___| |___| [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 04:38:42 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (stir until dissolved) Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion I wrote: >> >> I see a rave as a place where I can go and dnace with my friends, have a >> good time, and go home. and then mike wrote > >Then I'd say you haven't been to a real rave. A rave is a tribal >experience that bonds friends and complete strangers alike. It >can't be described. The only way to understand it is to experience >it. (Come to think of it, I've only been to three or four raves >that fit that definition.) I've been to many a rave where the vibe has been amazing and high enough and I've met oodles and oodles of complete strangers doing the silliest things. Half of my current friends were once complete strangers, now they're some of the people I'd practically trust my life with; I met them at raves.. I've experienced this "close-bonding-to-other-random-strangers" at raves, at clubs and in my generally silly and insane life. The first storm I ever went to was overwhelming; something I'll never forget.. I'll never forget the people there, what I felt like, or who I met. The point in my previous post, was that I don't consider it "spiritual" or "religious". I generally tend to avoid such descriptions. I was also saying that you don't need to go to a rave to experience these emotions, and for me they come in day-to-day life. Either A: I haven't taken enough E to feel like what you're saying, B: I haven't been to a "real" rave. C: I'm just a cynical person who has no care for matters of the spirit. < I doubt this, but... > Shoot me, I'm wierd. -john [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 08:06:58 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: merry x-mas!!!!!!! )( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ] Happy Holidays for all ya ravers!! )) (( )) (( )( )) (( )) (( doug ))))) a boomingg base for a loving race ((((( [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 09:17:05 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: RE: Happy Holidaze / Imaginal Rave > >> > Raves signal the return to Western culture of sacred dance. A dance >> > that balances discipline with excess, ecstasy with focus. Look at the >> > three great Monotheisms that have pretty much defined our psycho- >> > somatic matrix: Judaism, Christianity, Islam: none of them possess >> > any tradition of Sacred movement; they have all been scared shitless >> > of the Body, and have instituted its repression in a thousand and one >> > subtle ways. How appropriate that the advent of a spiritualized form >> > of movement to the center of Civilization should present itself in a >> > totally decadent, seemingly profane form. And people wonder why >> > raves are actively suppressed back in the UK? Raves represent the >> > primal life-force suppressed so long ago it remains only a dim but >> > real memory. >> >> >> Rave == Religion?!?!? "... Your taking this trip too far .cause Reality >used >> to be a friend of mine" (or something like that) - PM DAWN. > >Where does it say that Rave == Religion? It says that rave is a spiritualized >form of movement. Read it again. > > As I wrote in a previous post: My interpretation of the selection that I cut out was that the person writing it was implying that raving was to be a religion. That was my iterpretation. I arrived at this interpretation because of the comparision to the montheistic religions. Religion is a combination of spirituality as well as dogma and rules to live by. So in that respect, I would say that raving to be a religion would be 'phooey'. It is contradictory to the sense of what raving is as presented by people on the net. Getting a sense of spirituality, a high, from a rave is fine. I get it. I also get that feeling other places as well. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 09:16 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion John wrote: > Someone clue me; Because I don't see any of the tribal references or > "spiritual" references discussed about raving. > > I see a rave as a place where I can go and dnace with my friends, have a > good time, and go home. Maybe you are fogetting parts of your own memory, John? Remember when we were at the first QUEST in Providence? And at one point we were dancing, and you noticed that you were surrounded by all your friends, and you told me how wonderful that was and how happy you felt and how perfect the moment was? You were really riding high on the vibe right then. THAT is one facet of this whole mystical/spiritual thing. Everyone is going to experience it a little bit differently. And like Mike said, you aren't going to get it every time you go to a rave-party. I've only felt it twice: for the first time at SPUTNIK II and then again at LIFE. And then there was that first STORM rave you went to, 'way back in the Spring. You keep telling me about it, and keep saying it was the best rave you'd ever been to. I'd say you were feeling some of it then. You might not choose to call it a spiritual experience, but there was SOMETHING there that was beyond the everyday, and beyond what you get at Venus and Axis. And as far as worshipping technology -- I've seen you drool heavily enough over some of your synths, circuits, and programs for it to qualify as worship. You might not be saying prayers about it, but the intensity is there. :-) I think the big problem with this whole discussion is that the word "religion" is so semantically loaded. Hani and I worked out that, for us, "religion" was dogma-no-questions-limited-individual-choice while other mystical/spiritual experiences were --> whatever the individual wants to call them. You may choose to call your good time at a rave a good time at a rave. I usually call it something dopey like sinewave surfing or trancing-out. Someone else might take it as a tool to get "back to the egg" as it were. In some underlying ways it's all the same -- being in a state of irrationality (staying up all night dancing is NOT rational) so you can open yourself up to *something* new --> having an amazingly good time and making/meeting friends, doing past life regression, allowing yourself to be just plain happy, or whatever. Love, Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 14:38 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: 12 Days of Christmas Here is something I got from someone here at MCI.. thought you all might like it: --------------------------------- Forwarded message Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 Dearest John, I went to the door today, and the postman delivered a partridge in a pear tree. What a thoroughly delightful gift! I couldn't have more surprised. With deepest love and affection, ----------------------------------------------------------- Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 15 Dearest John, Today the postman brought your very sweet gift. Just imagine, two turtle doves! I'm just delighted at your very thoughtful gift. They are just adorable. All my love, ----------------------------------------------------------- Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 16 Dear John, Oh! Aren't you the extravagent one. Now I really must protest. I don't deserve such generosity, three french hens! They are just so darling, but I must insist, you've been too kind. Love, ------------------------------------------------------------ Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 17 Dear John, Today the postman delivered four calling birds. Now, really, they are beautiful, but don't you think enough is enough? You're being too romantic. Affectionately, ----------------------------------------------------------- Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 18 Dearest John, What a surprise! Today the postman delivered five golden rings - one for every finger! You're just impossible, but I love it. Frankly all those squaking birds were starting to get on my nerves. All my love, ------------------------------------------------------------ Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 19 Dear John, When I opened my door, there were actually six geese a laying on my front steps. So you're back to the birds again, huh? Those geese are huge! Where will I ever keep them? The neighbors are complaining and I can't sleep through the racket. Please stop! Cordially, ------------------------------------------------------------ Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 20 John, What's with you and those fucking birds? Seven swans a swimming! What kind of crappy joke is this? There's bird shit all over the house and they never stop with the racket. I can't sleep at night and I'm a nervous wreck; it's not funny. So stop with the fucking birds already. Sincerely yours, ----------------------------------------------------------- Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 21 O.K. Buster, I think I prefer the birds. What the hell am I going to do with eight maids a milking? It's not enough with all these birds and the eight maids a milking, but they had to bring those ridiculous cows!! There is shit all over the lawn, and I can't move in my own house. Just lay off me, smartass. Yours, ------------------------------------------------------------ Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 22 Hey Shithead, What are you? Some kind of sadist? Now there are nine pipers playing - and Hells Bells do they play! They haven't stopped playing with those maids since they got here yesterday morning. The cows are getting upset and they are stepping all over those screeching birds. What am I going to do? The neighbors have started a petition to evict me. You'll get yours, ------------------------------------------------------------ Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 23 You Rotten Sonofabitch, Now there's ten ladies dancing. I don't know why I call those sluts ladies. They've been balling those pipers all night long. Now the cows can't sleep, and they've got diarrea. My living room is a river of shit. The commissioner of buildings has subpoened me to give cause why the building shouldn't be condemned. That's it! I'm calling the police. One who means it!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ Miss Abigail Forthrightly Goody Two Street Okeefenokee, Missouri 69336 December 24 Listen Asshole, What's with the eleven lords a leaping on those maids and ladies? Some of those broads will never walk again. Those pipers have run through the maids, and now they're committing sodomy with the cows. All 23 birds are dead. They were trampled to death in the orgy. I hope you're satisfied, you rotten visious swine. Your sworn enemy, ------------------------------------------------------------ BINDEM, TWISTEM, AND GOUGEM ATTORNEYS AT LAW ############################################################## 910 Upyurs Avenue St. Louis, Missourri DECEMBER 25 JOHN BEDEVILER 85 ORNERY PLACE ANNOYANCE, MISSOURRI DEAR SIR: THIS IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR LATEST GIFT OF 12 FIDDLERS FIDDLING WHICH HAVE SEEN FIT TO INFLICT ON OUR CLIENT, MISS ABIGAIL FORTHRIGHTLY. THE DESTRUCTION, OF COURSE, WAS TOTAL. ALL FURTHER CORRESPONDENCE SHOULD COME TO OUR ATTENTION. IF YOU SHOULD ATTEMPT TO REACH MISS FORTHRIGHTLY AT HAPPY DALE SANITARIUM, THE ATTENDANTS HAVE INSTRUCTIONS TO SHOOT YOU ON SIGHT. WITH THIS LETTER, PLEASE FIND ATTACHED A WARRANT FOR YOUR ARREST. CORDIALLY, WILL GOUGEM BINDEM, TWISTEM, AND GOUGEM Attorneys at Law [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 09:34 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: REPOST from alt.rave: From the _Wall Street Journal_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] KNOTT'S BERRY SETS HOLIDAY JAM BUT MAYBE IT SHOULD STICK TO JELLY By David J. Jefferson -- Staff Reporter for the journal Every trend-setter knows that once something hits the mass market, its no longer hip. Take Peter Max. Disco. Junk Bonds. So the avant-garde may have to give up "raves", huge, all-night dance parties. Because on New Year's Eve, "K-Rave '93", a rave to end all raves, will be held at Knott's Berry Farm, the Buena Park, Calif., theme park that jelly built. Heretofore, raves have been mostly underground affairs, often held illegally in abandoned warehouses and other remote locations, and attracting thousands of young people dressed in neo-hippie and faux-gang garb. Rave revelers gyrate to lyricless computerized music called "techno", drop amino acid in the form of vitamin-enriched "smart drinks", and pop the occasional, illicit "ectasy" tablet. The atmosphere is equal parts '60s psychedelia and '90s urban street culture: If rocker Grace Slick and rapper Marky Mark got their friends together, it would be a rave. That's not at all what you would expect to find at Knott's, which for years has shunned raucous New Year's revelry in favor of its "Jubilation" evening of contemporary Christian music. But the devout have been fewer in number, and Knott's needed a revenue-booster. The Knott family was uncomfortable with the idea of letting teenagers dressed like the Mad Hatter and go-go dancers invade the park, but Dan Anderson, the 22 year-old great-grandson of founder Walter Knott and a raver himself, convinced them that it could hold a rave sans the seedier elements. "You don't have to worry about dirty lyrics, because rave music has no lyrics," says Knott's spokesman Stuart Zanville. Won't a Knott's Berry Farm rave be like a Muzak rendition of "Like a Virgin"? Knott's doesn't think so. In keeping with the latter-day Renaissance Faire flavor of other raves, Knott's will populate the park with bizarre street performers: a snake charmer, tribal dancers, atheletes on Stairmaster machines, Vegas-style showgirls riding Snoopy floats. "We're juxtaposing elements in a surrealistic way," says Jeff Langley, a one-time collaborator with feminist folk singer Holly Near and now Knott's director of entertainment. He's hoping that "hokey becomes hip." The hip crowd may show up simply to poke fun. But Knott's will have the last laugh: Each raver will have paid $27.50 to attend. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 10:23 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: new year's day rave in philly Last Minute Rave Info for New Year's Day in Philadelphia! This just came in the email from Mike Brown. Thanks Mike! By the way, I'm going on vacation next week (I'll be in Boston so I'll see some of you at NOVA or somewhere I'm sure), so there will be no Rave-O-Matic next week. Instead, I am posting it today. Laura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 1st ZODIAC Philadelphia (215) 236 - 3713 East meets West as Philly & Los Angeles team up to bring you the Ist party of the year Friday, January Ist ZODIAC a cosmic gathering, a stellar event, a monthly phenomenon for all signs and all ages! Celestial DJ's: Remic Wink Tripp Nigel Kats Lee glide through the heavens, trip through the underworld on 2 separate dance floors. PAN, the god of music, brings gifts from the Heavens CDs * cassettes * 12 inches * posters a PAST MIDNIGHT production Nervous/Sony/Epic/Elektra/FFRR/Sire in cahoots with ZEUS the creator Columbia/WarnerBros/RuffHouse/Reprise JOEY (LA) Atmosphere: ZEN DefJam/Capitol/EW/Chameleon/Chrysalis Lights: GEE-E $8 advance $1 off with flyer $10 admission on the 1st $5 for Capricorns (advance sales only) advance tickets: Condom World 335 South St (Philly) Condom World 332 Newberry (Boston) Exit 1224 Melrose (LA) Sound of Market II 1230 Chestnut (Philly) after Dec 26 Directions and Info: 215-236-3713 A private gathering at Revival 22 S 3rd (Philly) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 10:31 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic for Dec 29 (rev dec 24) R A V E - O - M A T I C I'm going on vacation and will be off-line until after the 1st of the year so this is really next week's Rave-O-Matic. Hope to see some of you at NOVA. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, December 25 SHOCKWAVE New York (718) - 259 - 4907 Ho ho ho ravers!! X-FORCE Productions presents Tony Dee's SHOCKWAVE Part II If you felt the energy on Thanksgiving ... Don't miss the Yuletide RUSH!! Hotlines: Info (718)259-4907, Guest List (917)869-5036 10 bucks with pass, 12 bucks without, doors open 10:00 * 18 to TRIP, 21 to FALL * Lights by Frankie, sound by the Ziggman As for DJs think H A R D *** C O R E Location: 63 Street between 15th & 16th Aves. TO THE RAVERS: We are trying to create an atmosphere of total dance energy. A new culture, a rave culture, promoting peace, love and unity. We're not just trying to make money, we're ravers ... totally hardcore. Our task, to keep the underground scene alive! We want the underground scene to remain totally underground. See you on Christmas! X-FORCE Rave Productions, nothing but hardcore 4 ravers by ravers. Peace. Respect to Frankie Bones, X-Crash and the Storm Rave organization 4 the chance. The T.W.R Posse -- Together We Rave Promotions: Moonflower, Magilla, K-5, Mr. Sitcks, Kram Oicsac, Forever Green ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 "Through the mass-media, World War III is being waged upon the retina of the mind's eye. But a rapidly growing youth culture within the global village has given birth to a legion of Rainbow Warriors rebelling against the programmed ideals of a society locked within the definitions of the MTV unabridged dictionary. Armed with nothing more than the magik of a hug, a smile, some boomin' bass and a conviction that a difference can be made. This December comes a new gathering dedicated to exploration rather than exploitation... Saturday, December 26th, 1992 The Evolution Collective Proudly Presents: REVELATION Dedicated to Bio-Sphere I and the Sixth Sense Music with a message for your: Mind Body & Soul Frankie Bones Scott Henry Scott Hardkiss [Storm] [Washington, DC] [San Francisco] Keoki Micro Josh Wink [Disco 2000] [Caffeine] [Philadelphia] Dante Debo Onionz [Evolution] [Boston] [Layaway] Troy On-E Jason Jinx [Orlando] [Liquid Sky] [Solar Company] Bus, Travel, and Ticket info. New York 212.631.1179 Washington, DC 202.736.1712 Baltimore 410.783.5453 Boston & RI 617.576.9717 Philadelphia 215.602.2210 Toronto 416.524.7840 $12 admission strictly by advance sale ONLY. Tickets will be on sale until Dec. 20th. Purchase early to ensure entry, only 3,000 tickets will be sold. A portion of proceeds will be donated to Save the Planet. REVAR DESIGN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 NOVA Providence, RI (401) - 621 - 7563 ORACLE Productions presents NOVA rave in the new year THURSDAY DECEMBER, 31 1992 10PM - 6AM (legal location in providence, RI) Mayhem rave into the future with (Rise) live fireworks on a 240 ft video projection screen Overload (sky high) Visuals by GlowWorm Osheen +10,000 w. of (michelangelo) sonic vibe Tim Ryan STAY TUNED smart bar (venus) Savage alcohol & drug free (metamorphosis) info: 401 - 621 - 7563 tickets: $9 in advance $12 day of rave; map with tickets luna-sea 401 - 272 - LUNA rainbow records 401 - 331 - 6660 loft (boston 21 stanhope st) 617 - 262 - 2121 a portion on the proceeds will be donated to Alumni Association ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 PRIMAL New York City ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 1st ZODIAC Philadelphia (215) 236 - 3713 East meets West as Philly & Los Angeles team up to bring you the 1st party of the year Friday, January 1st ZODIAC a cosmic gathering, a stellar event, a monthly phenomenon for all signs and all ages! Celestial DJ's: Remic Wink Tripp Nigel Kats Lee glide through the heavens, trip through the underworld on 2 separate dance floors. PAN, the god of music, brings gifts from the Heavens CDs * cassettes * 12 inches * posters a PAST MIDNIGHT production Nervous/Sony/Epic/Elektra/FFRR/Sire in cahoots with ZEUS the creator Columbia/WarnerBros/RuffHouse/Reprise JOEY (LA) Atmosphere: ZEN DefJam/Capitol/EW/Chameleon/Chrysalis Lights: GEE-E $8 advance $1 off with flyer $10 admission on the 1st $5 for Capricorns (advance sales only) advance tickets: Condom World 335 South St (Philly) Condom World 332 Newbury (Boston) Exit 1224 Melrose (LA) Sound of Market II 1230 Chestnut (Philly) after Dec 26 Directions and Info: 215-236-3713 A private gathering at Revival 22 S 3rd (Philly) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 8 ULTRAWORLD 3 (BRAINRAVE) Baltimore (410) - 563 - 7880 12 DJ's -- 12 hour rave -- 10pm/10am Gyroscope (from Virtual Reality) Some of the DJs are: Scott Henry Onionz Dr. Sun Neuromancer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 8 RESURRECTION Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada ============================================================== CHSR-FM 97.9 & TranceAtlantic Productions Present: R E S U R R E C T I O N Featuring DJ BRAIN (Halifax, Nova Scotia) with DJ Nonsense and DJ MIR FRIDAY - JANUARY 8, 1993 At the University of New Brunswick, Student Union Building Cafeteria in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada ============================== Doors open 9:30 pm til 4:00 am Tickets $5.00 (students) 7.00 (non-students) ================================= Smart bar by S.M.A.R.T. P.A.C.C. ======================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 9 LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC (703) - 222 - 4499 TONKA Productions invites you to a new dimension in a third dimension L I Q U I D H O L I D A Y Saturday January 9th, 1993, 10pm-10am a tribal gathering is planned to bring out the masses for a celebration. Like robots from the mist, we'll rise to unite for a night of revelry and enlightenment to experience supernatural sound and lighting emanating through out your minds carrying you into an ecstacy of enchantment found only in your deepest dreams. Navigating The Dance Floors: LENNY DEE FRANKIE BONES Industrial Strength Brooklyn (Storm) WINK DANTE Philly Evolution ONIONZ DEBO Long Island Boston JAMES CHRISTIAN SCOTT HENRY Long Island Washington, D.C. LIEVEN DE GEYNDT BOBBLE Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe FRANKIE HARTUNG LG Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe MICHAEL MEACHAM SOUND REALITY ILLUMINATING REALITY 40,000 Watts of Booming Bass for a Loving Rave Ultimate Intellabeams LASERTAINMENT'S Emulators 20 Watt Multicolor Argon Lasers Data Flash Strobes SMART BAR & MIND MACHINES Visual Stimulations by Neuro Energy TICKET INFO: Tickets will be sold at MusicNow 202.638.3272 (D.C.) Modern Music 410.523.1882 (Balt.) $15 Starting Jan 3rd THROUGH Sat Jan 9th TONKA INFO LINE: 703.912.6767 BUS TRAVEL & INFO New Jersey - Michael Chrissi & Beth - 908.727.6527 New Jersey - Planet X Digital Deviants - 908.249.0304 Brooklyn - Groove Records - 718.714.5232 Boston - Mindwarp - 617.266.1987 Philly - Dead by Dawn - 215.552.8833 Philly - Wink - 215.292.4666 Greensboro N.C. - Spins - 919.274.8530 Raleigh N.C. - Mystere Prod. - 919.829.9719 Pittsburg - TurboZen - 412.621.7759 Baltimore - Atomic Vibe - 410.235.1131 SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERY ONE WHO HAS MADE THE UNDERGROUND A REALITY AND HAS MADE IT EVOLVE TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. LOVE & PEACE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 ESSENCE Long Island (516) - 547 - 6129 (617) - 266 - 1987 The Essence of Life Generation / X-Cubed / O-Tomic Productions & Simon Sez invite you to "witness the enlightenment of the Long Island underground" E S S E N C E Saturday, January 16, 1993 12am-??? L.I. Micro Onionz Dave Trance James Christian Jason Jinx D.C. Scott Henry Philly Wink Queens Dante Brooklyn Adam-X Boston Debo Cleveland Rob Sherwood New Jersey Space Ace 30,000 Watts of Shattering Sound Pulsating Planetary Pupil Pounding Visuals featuring one of the most extensive sound & light productions of any NY area event For up-to-date ticket & bus info call (516) - 547 - 6129 In Boston call (617) - 266 - 1987 Promotion: X-Cubed / O-Tomic / Kort & Greg / Mello Mello / Mindwarp Eddie van Raven / Chris Styles All tickets $12 Support the scene that has supported YOU! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 XOCHIPILLI Portland, ME Prepare for the Ritual "Xochipilli: 24 hour rave! January 16 @ 12 Noon - January 17 @ Noon Produced By A Book Called Galanta Portland, Maine (watch for info) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 DEEP Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 First we made you PURE. Together we followed the blinding truth of CRUSADE. Next we brought you SKY-HIGH. Now let us take you . . . D E E P Saturday, January 23rd 11pm til Sunrise DJs Tintin (London) Onionz (Long Island) Mayhem (Boston) 333 Mgee (London) Overload (Maine) Dale Charles (San Diego) Smart Bar, Rave Gear, & More Brilliant Lighting & Visuals by Pandemonium! 12,000 watts of sound huge warehouse location 207 - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Boston Wonderland's a Gathering of the Vibes Saturday, January 30th, 1993 Information Coming Soon! Presented by Never Neverland Productions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late January THE HOUSE YOU GREW UP IN Balt./DC area [from _Fission Power_, the UMD rave 'zine -- thanks Mike!!] The House You Grew Up In, brought to you by Atomic Vibe. Features John Leonardo, Scott Henry, L.G. McCannon, Bobble, and Wash. A fresh mix of 80's house style music. Call Atomic Vibe for info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 BLUE New England Blue . . . Coming to You 13 February 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:00:45 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion >I think the big problem with this whole discussion is that the word >"religion" is so semantically loaded. Hani and I worked out that, for >us, "religion" was dogma-no-questions-limited-individual-choice while >other mystical/spiritual experiences were --> whatever the individual >wants to call them. Precisely...we are so loaded down with the Judeo/Christian/Moslem heritage that we forget there are plenty of less dogmatically structured religions, even ones which don't come with an instruction book like the Bible or Koran, and some which don't even claim to be an exclusive truth. Wicca, Zen Budhism, Baha'i (which emphasizes the spiritual unity of mankind, something right out of any raving 'zine :)...not to mention non-denominational Technopaganism... Joseph Campbell goes on at great length to present a theme of innate psychologies within us that drive us to spiritual feelings. These things are probably part genetics, and part cultural. Our human experience almost requires us to have a spiritual life, the same way we require a sexual life of some sort. It used to be anything could be a cult. Nowadays, certain belief systems are very careful to wipe out competing belief systems on a worldwide basis, so we put every kind of spiritual experience which isn't part of this global dogma into the pile of taboo. But much like homosexuality, just because alternative spiritualities are oppressed does not mean they go away, we just do things spiritually, religiously, and refuse to admit their inherent spiritual value to ourselves. Also the times are changing now much more rapidly then before, and the great spiritual traditions of humanity have required great long times and evolution to become the rich things we have today. Course, there is a time for spirituality, and a time for the logic of the secular sphere...one shouldn't get too caught up in one's spirituality, because it's probably scientifically bogus anyway :) -Thomas resident technoshaman (are those yellow air filter masks with the "A" on them the Masks of God?) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 24 Dec 1992 17:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Bones, et al. JNA, What does Frankie Bones mean when he says 'live a hardcore lifestyle'? I'm missing the context, thus, I'm missing the point. Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 24 Dec 1992 18:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: Knott's Farm.. Laura, Since you posted that article, what do you think of the idea of a huge rave like that? I think it's a ridiculous perversion of the scene. It seems crass and commercial ($27.50?!? Fuck that..). I was told that XL Recordings had a huge one in the UK. I also heard that it sucked. I'm growing disenchanted with this scene. It's not confrontational, the music is not appreciated (nor is it encouraged to evolve beyond 160 BPM distorted video game freakout jams.. 909, 303, blah blah blah), and further more it seems to be lacking in emotion.. Keep music evil. When adults start taking comfort and consolation in the fact that there won't be a problem with foul language because 'rave music has no lyrics', I think there's a bit of a problem.. djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Bones, et al. Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 16:36:38 MST > What does Frankie Bones mean when he says 'live a hardcore lifestyle'? > I'm missing the context, thus, I'm missing the point. He means, "Eat lots of fiber." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 16:02:34 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Knott's Farm.. Hmm... my thoughts go both ways about something like this. Were I to be in LA over New Year's I might be tempted to go just to see (something between appreciating it as a rave and something similar to driving slowly past a bad traffic accident to gawk). On the anti- side. Yes, this is going to be a BIG affair, and very rarely do I have fun anymore at raves with >1000 people. There will be very little sense of community, more a sense of "wow, it's Knotts Berry farm, only it's in the middle of the night, and they have some cool music going, and I might even feel comfortable dosing here". The price is exorbitant compared to most raves (and especially compared to what raves _should_ cost, which is not more than $10), and this is a gross example of corporate entities trying to cash in on the vibe. The media attention will most likely be negative, especially if people dose unwisely and paramedics are called in and someone sues KNotts or the promoters. BUT Realize that $27.50 is only about $10 more than the normal admission to Knotts. According to the article they are going to go full-out on making sure that there's lots of "interesting stuff" going on, that the rides will be operating, etc. If you stop trying to think of it as a spiritual experience and more like I said before, "wow, it's Knotts Berry Farm, only it's in the middle of the night, and they have some cool music going, cool music going, and I might even feel comfortable dosing here". The vibe may even be there at spots, who knows? As long as we have our small warehouse parties, our full moon beach parties, our just-larger-than- get-togethers-but-not-quite-rave raves, I say let the corporates try and find out what we're all about. Maybe I'm too apt to give people the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I just ate a big piece of chocolate and feel too good about the world at this moment who knows. As long as the press is good, I don't think it;ll hurt. Besides, are raves something we want to share with thousands if not millions of other people? If so then this sort of thing is unavoidable... If they deliver the goods, and the majority of the people who go are happy, then kudos to the promoters. I think I'll go rent "Woodstock" tonight.. Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Mail distribution list From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 19:23:18 EST Return-Path: Received: by phantom.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.20) id ; Thu, 24 Dec 92 13:02 EST Received: from rac1.wam.umd.edu by pg2-srv.wam.umd.edu with SMTP id AA06869 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:02:01 -0500 Received: by rac1.wam.umd.edu id AA24396 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com); Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:01:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:01:19 -0500 From: Jenne Message-Id: <199212241801.AA24396@rac1.wam.umd.edu> To: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com Subject: Mail distribution list Please take jenne@wam.umd.edu off your list. Happy Holidays. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:50:46 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (people's parties) Subject: Re: Knott's Farm.. djesrani@center.colgate.edu wrote: > I'm growing disenchanted with this scene. It's not confrontational, > the music is not appreciated (nor is it encouraged to evolve beyond > 160 BPM distorted video game freakout jams.. 909, 303, blah blah blah), > and further more it seems to be lacking in emotion.. Maybe this is why the recent return to house has been so popular... Most poeple that were playing hardcore have returned to / added house music to their record collections; It's a bit more emotional than 160bpm pound-pound- pound-pound It's hard to say which way techno is going to go; it seems to stagnate at one level for a while and then something amazing comes out of it, but you can't toss down the entire scene just because some of it (in this case, the high-bpm hardcore) doesn't do it for you. Try some other DJ's and different music. In a genre that has new music everyday (unlike other genres that don't see the same volume of music that techno does) you might just run into the 1000-monkeys-with -typewriters effect: so many different songs, some of it just has to make sense to you.. > Keep music evil. When adults start taking comfort and consolation > in the fact that there won't be a problem with foul language because > 'rave music has no lyrics', I think there's a bit of a problem.. Guess Frankie Bones will have to keep his mouth shut while he spins... He is spinning down there , isn't he? --jna [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:08:13 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: VIZINE: december 92: introduction 1/7 Welcome to Vizine, version 1.1, formerly It's Just A Phaze. This is the december 92 issue in this issue: interviews with DJ Lime from SL2 DJ Dag from Frankfurt's Dance 2 Trance DJ Spun from San Jose Brian Behlendorf from SFraves anatomy of liquid oil projection music dance community textual collage edited by doom@stanford VIZINE/ ItUs Just A Phaze is xeroxed monthly 4 worldatabassconquest & Peanut Butter & Jelly Productions we would like 2 thank U 4 reading this far, & would like 2 apologize in advance 4 the uninteresting quality of the layout. Exams & LN (lack of experience). but we ^gure UUll B looking @ this @ some mid single digit am hour, & will B thankful weUre pretty basic. please move along & enjoyI Some Logistics & How 2 Contact Us letters, submissions, reviews, artwork, the whole 9 encouraged & welcomed. please include an SASE if you would like your material returned. 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Read, Relax, Respond, RecycleI The next issue is going to be unbelievable: Interviews with Smash Hunter from New Breed Records, Groove Academy, & Save The Robots Tony Largo from LA The Twitch Remix people from SF Harry Who? from the South Bay To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:12:44 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: VIZINE: december 92: DJ LIME 2/7 DJ Lime from the U.K.'s SL2 SL2 is probably best known in the states 4 the silver disk import on a ragga tip - 1 of the 1st widely distributed tracks 2 ^nd a sharing ground between breakbeat house & regg>. an upcoming domestictly released remix of on a ragga tip has DJ Lime very excited. afterall, heUs on the same import label (XL) as breakbeat chartbusters, the prodigy. heUs seen their success, & knows the power the sped up hip-hop drum tracks have 2 move a crowd. in the uk, breakbeat is the take control style of the moment w/ DJ Lime as 1 of its most well-known & respected pioneers. Lime is convinced 1 national hit will put breakbeat on the scene in force in the u.s. & he hopes ragga tip will B that cut. in the u.k. breakbeat has been on the rise 4 2 or 3 years, crowds the size of 39,000 bob their heads across 4 square mile, 4 sound system events while Lime mixes the boom-tis, boom-tis of a Swicked ruff rhythmS. Why is it taking so long 2 cross 2 the states? Lime explains the comparatively small size of the u.k. makes a trend a rather easy & total process once it begins in any scene. the u.s. is another marketing world altogether, rich in its own styles, its own trends moving across the coasts @ slowed down speeds. Lime sees the u.k. as a bit ahead: while many in america R still getting used 2 a space devoted 2 phun across social barriers, that consciousness has begun 2 wear off 4 the crowds Lime knows, not because the project of peace & love failed, but because everyone has ^nally begun 2 accept it as what should B going on in the sober normal. likewise the americans still focus on the trance rhythms of the boom boom boom. & while Lime knows their power & vibe, he feels they can only bring U 2 a peak & carry U along that trance line. breakbeat, however undulates & adds a percussive depth moving dancers in & out of different rhythmic spaces. Lime has been 2 the u.s. once b4 2 spin in l.a. he dOsnUt change his approach 4 an american audience, & he feels, @ least in l.a., they respond well. he left a day b4 the king riots, from 1 of the hotels subsequently damaged. peace & love in the sober normal remains only related in certain places on the underground of multiple layers of injustice, pain, & legitimate anger Twitch Records: all your favorite techno/ acid/ rave tracks cd#4: react 2 rhythm % young american primitive % jam & spoon % skin up % sonic boom % rabbit city % zero b % direckt % sonz of a loop da loop era % after dark % nebula II cd #5: dop % gat decor % rozalla % rough & raw % darwin chamber % studio x % m to the third % kid unknown % m17 % run tings % tasti box Twitch Cd's are $20 (UPS shipping included) Send check or money order to: Twitch 584 Castro Street Suite 600 Sf, CA. 94114 for a free catalog, please phone 415.751.6740 To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:26:16 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: VIZINE: december 92: editorial 7/7 cold stone lamping w/ dj plastech during my 24hr mosey through this neighborhood of history i like 2 call the carbon conspiracy - when iUm in a jolly mood, 4am always strikes me as an impenetrable brick wall & i stare @ it: deer in the headlights, rat whose maze has been changed, barbara streisand @ the oscars, dan quayle watching the polls. like when i saw star wars 4 the 2nd time & just couldnUt believe obi wan kenobi would let himself lose again. & iUm just never myself until the liquor laws kick back in & i can have my 6oUclock-rolling-rock* & bust it out 4 some ny house Q the really cheesy stuff 4 on the _oor RiUm so in love so in love [beat] in love whoooo-ooo-oooS, the muzak of the2020Us, i can picture little children having their 1st teeth pulled 2 loleatta hollowayI well itUs 4am now, iUm kissing brick, so i go 2 the kitchen 4 another bowl of coffee, U see, iUm multitasking, writing my thesis & this simultaneously & i want both 2 hit the streets, ohhh i dunno, in about 12 hours. sometimes i wish i lived in bklyn Tcause then iUd @ least know therUd B sleep in @ some point in the phuture. & i decide i want food, & hereUs where my mind takes a vacation U see i only eat 1 meal a day, itUs this 18 hour snack, & i think iUve already had enuff shit today, letUs try something healthyI well i just bypassed that box of 1000 chocolate chips we keep around 2 torture little kids with, went straight 4 the tofu wieners & then it hit me, hey, lucky charms R healthier than chocolate chips. well that was just 2 much. so i threw some chocolate chips on top of the lucky charms & here i amI chubbing out. so i was thinking a lot about spirituality, personally iUm a practicing atheist, i havenUt learned how 2 dribble between my legs yet (ba-dum-dum ohhh!) Q but it, seems 1 of the many, yet also 1 of the predominate currents in the Bay Area scene is 2 explain the @ often times very tangible positive energy of raving in metaphors of mysticism from other cultures. words like RZenS. RshamanS, RtribalS R dropped like beats in hasty attempts 2 clarify an unexplained divergence from what amounts 2 a person's consistent norm. & rather than doing the hard work of forging a language based on the particulars of unique experiences, the effort walks the easy way of already tread paths of conceptual imperialisms, of bringing in culture w/o concern 4 context & respect 2 a hodge-podging, pick & choosing of a media ready vocabulary of simulations. 1 reason the west often looks 2 other cultures as symbols of deep thoughts on the unexplained is because the west has had an impossible time understanding otherness: the west reads its confusion in a mirror, translating confusion as other cultural RmysticismsS. obviously, raving is diverse, & @ best can multiply handle a plurality of cultural in_uences Q thats probably a big reason why it continues 2 grow & people continue 2 stay. but i think 1 of the challenges facing raving in the united states as anything more than just an intense new trend in phun management is its ability 2 have phun while learning that having phun is more than just being able 2 next 2 & with histories & peoples & cultures. in this corner, weighing in @ 151 pounds, 5.7S, the teutonic typhoon w. f. nietzsche who w/ jim mckay the other weekend said god is dead & i have killed god. & entering the ring, weighing in @ a combined mass of the entire universe, the one who is, & still champion of world, but a no show 4 the past 200 years god almighty, @ 1 time famous 4 sticking live camels through holes in needles. donUt go away folks, weUll b right backI peace 2 the vibe & all the vibrators. To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:27:56 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: VIZINE: december 92: oil projections 6/7 techniks: fun with technology liquid oil projections itUs a beautiful day in the neural netI hi kids, let me kick off my birks B4 i suit up 4 the clean room. todayUs topic: how they make those help-iUve-tripped-&-canUt-get-down oil splotch rorsach visuals - or kinetic liquid projections 2 the pros, so hey, donUt use this kinda language if UUre untrained, U could poke someoneUs eye out. 1st: ^nd an overhead projector like the 1 your 6th grade teacher used 2 teach UUall about sex w/. quartz-halogen lamps do the trick 2nd: put a dimmer on the main power & ^nd an additional fan 2 insure proper ventilation. 3rd: get 2 bowls/dishes/old clock faces that R clear glass. make sure 1 is larger than the other. 4th: pour some water & oil based dyes into the larger bowl/dish/clockface type structure. anilyne dyes can B used 4 the oil colors & photo retouching solutions can B used for water based dyes. 5th: put the ^lled glass thing on the projector, place the smaller glass thing bottom down on top of the solution. 6th: fade up the dimmer, focus, mask off the edges of the screen area & move the top glass thing in rhythm 2 the musicI hunt around 4 some different color solutions that might come cheaper & easier, say olive oil & balsamic vinegar. although they can work, the color intensities might not B the droids UUre looking 4. NEXT MONTH: the naked intellibeam HEAL: smart wear watch 4 it the interactive pro-active t-shirt To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:30:08 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: VIZINE: december 92: Brian Behlendorf Brian Behlendorf from SFraves SFRaves, what is it? perhaps virtual community is an apt descriptionI itUs an electronic mail network of about 250 people communicating 24/7 about the bay areaUs emergent rave scene. the conversations include everything from quantum physics 2 virtual reality 2 the music, the djs, the people, the drugs, the love, some more of the music, etcI 4 the people who participate, its become a vital way 2 stay in touch & feel the warmth during the off hours away from the dance _oor. 2 check it out , get access 2 internet & ask 2 be a member by addressing a post 2 sfraves-request@soda.berkeley.edu. brian is the person who created SFRaves, as well as being a prime helper in the creation of other networks in the north-east, mid-west, south-east, u.k.,& southern california. weUve had the chance 2 correspond over the net, & the rest is a collection of thoughts about the uniqueness & conditions of the bay areaUs scene: RWe are the tv generation. we grew up with technology. we grew up without fearing it either. We know the H-bomb itself is not dangerous, it's the people who launch it who are. We know that without technology you just can't get that clean bass sound, that super acidic "funky worm" sound et cetera. The presence of computers in creating a lot of the visuals at raves is also significant - thanks to fractals and computer graphics. i think ravers are beginning to see that computers are _not_ cold and rigid and difficult to deal with, but instead tools we can use to expand our mindsI [in terms of community] all I can say is, we've got to watch out for each other, we've got to keep ourselves from doing stupid things that can hurt our scene, to remember not to focus on the money but focus on the party, and to keep acting like a family. If you see someone huddled in a corner with their head in their hands, by all means walk over and say hi! If you see someone dancing for hours suddenly turn pale and weak, pull them off the dance floor, get some water for them, and help them. The scene is starting to mature... our danger now is of getting to big for our britches, getting too many people with dollar signs in their eyes. Don't be lulled by the big parties and the big names - there's an INCREDIBLE amount of DJ talent in the bay area. Find the smaller joints. Go for the MUSIC and the PEOPLE. The drugs are extra. Don't let them be your reason for going to parties.Keep it alive! I [& about consciousness] it's hard to not be swayed towards certain ideas, such as becoming more environmentally aware, having a greater concern for your fellow humanbeings, etc., and of course, drug legalization. I remember Come/Unity on Nov. 6th, the night of the election. People were incredibly happy about George Bush being kicked out of office". LONDON JAMAICA every tuesday: 12pm - 3pm on kzsu stanford 90.1fm rave ticket giveaways guest djs like jeno, garth, spun, thomas the newest dancehall, the hypest rave with djs unknown, francesco, & indoton request line: 415.723.9010 To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:33:33 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: VIZINE: december 92: dj spun 4/7 sday night @ the san jose oasis, & if thereUs no magic formula. @ least there is an almost magic ability 4 him 2 consistently relate 2 a crowd, taking them around the worlds of powerfully distinct rhythms while keeping his set a relat Spun works every style he can throw on the tables: from acid 2 tribal 2 laying out some miami bass & freestyle beats, Spun considers DJ equipment an instrument through which he creates sound collages. the idea of DJing as a creative process comes 2 Spun out of his earlier days of strictly hip-hop spinning, & hip-hop gives Spun a distinctive way of locking on 2 _ows between tracks based deep in their percussion. he describes working w/ crowds as always unique experiences: sometimes he enters the evening with a Sde^nite tripS he wants 2 impose out musically, sometimes he tries 2 read the crowdUs energy & take it further or just different places. thereUs no magic formula 4 Spun. i had the chance 2 catch up w/ him last week during deep space, a new weekly he headlines every thursday night @ the san jose oasis, & if thereUs no magic formula. @ least there is an almost magic ability 4 him 2 consistently relate 2 a crowd, taking them around the worlds of powerfully distinct rhythms while keeping his set a related whole moving from intense 2 tranced 2 tripped out in sync w/ the energy moods of the crowd. his anticipation 4 when an audience wants 2 pick the pace back up, or mellow out through a few mixes is uncanny. Spun feels house music has changed many peopleUs lives 4 the more positive. just being able 2 lose it 2 some beat & work it as community w/ a dance _oor of strangers is a good thing, & Spun is excited the scene is continually growing, getting bigger while still getting better. according 2 Spun, the music has de^nite ability 2 bring people together because itUs completely apolitical Q no one has 2 get with a certain opinion of the lyricist, they just have 2 let themselves be moved by the thousands of watts of bass & an already present vibe. itUs ironic that the least conscious of the scenes has done more 2 bring people together on a consistent basis than any of the overly-thought out programs of contrived togetherness. Fri: jan 8th Caffiend harry who? shaun unknown francesco plastech 415.497.1214 free - all ages 8pm - 4am To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:36:23 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: VIZINE: december 92: DJ DAG 3/7 DJ Dag from Frankfurt's Dance 2 Trance listening 2 Dag spin is an intense trip through the frequency modulation & steady beat underpinnings of a trance/dance tourguideUs focused navigation of deep rhythms feelable right in in the bosom. Dag de^nes 2 sorts of DJs: the club DJ & the mix DJ. the mix DJ hurriedly alternates between cuts, creating new sounds & combinations with the start of every bridge. the club DJ has a relationship 2 each track & wants it 2 work the crowd through its own peaks & changes. i guess the distinction is like soloist 2 conductor, & Dag places himself as a conductor. perhaps he is so attentive 2 the ways a track works with itself because he writes, & produces, he lays out tracks as totalities, stories 2 B told 2 an audience, & cutting them up 2 tell new ones is not something in his style. his ^rst release was called hanta yo. itUs sioux 4 the joker. Dag says heUs very involved w/ native american issues, & was attending an anti-columbus day demonstration when he me the people who would eventually B responsible 4 global rythym festival. although, 4 the most part his music is lyricless, ranging from the super parodic odd couple cover swinging in trance 2 his more mesmeric staples Q Dag recognizes the importance of being conscious & active 4 change. DagUs most recent single: however, moves away from the completely hypnotic & seems 2 offer a critique of american culture & in being thought provoking, Dag also manages 2 keep the vibe, & throw the beat Q itUs a subtle balancing maneuver that might bring new consciousnesses 2 the bass cabinetsI i asked Dag what makes an event happen, what gets people the energy? he said a good sound systems has the power 2 overcome almost any crowd, & plunge them into a pheel good phrenzy. even the perfect mix would have trouble moving anyone if it was coming out of a realistic*. secondly, the crowd has 2 B non-aggressive, & ^nally theyUre shouldnUt B 2 many DJs. Dag feels DJs need @ least 2 hours 2 really B able 2 relate 2 a crowd, & 2 work with a crowd 2 bring them through different areas of dancing, trancing, tripping, feeling happy. there R many emotions shared among the crowd Q the DJ has the ability 2 relate these into a shared experience & constructed narrative. BPM music factory dedicated 2 da underground cd's vinyl cassettes 1141 Polk St (between Post & sutter) 415.567-0bpm sf, ca 94109 To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:54:42 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: online magazines Hey, I don't mind if you guys upload full text of magazines, but please could you send them to an FTP site rather than send the whole thing to my mailbox? Just say "I put the full text of to . Thanks digital.druid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:01:05 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: online magazines They're all available at soda.berkeley.edu under ~ftp/pub/sfraves/spirit. (I put rave-specific online mags under /spirit, and newspaper articles under /media) Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 25 Dec 1992 02:13:11 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: My Dissatisfaction.. JNA & All, In my previous post, I made some relatively off-the-cuff remarks about my dissatisfaction with the rave/techno scene. I would like to clarify myself a bit to tell you how I feel personally, and to defend myself from subsequent attacks from bitter, devoted scene supporters : ) ! Firstly, I believe my disenchantment stems from the music. Being a music enthusiast (I shy away from the term 'musician' when describing myself with respect to music..) I don't feel that the music plays enough of a role in the scene, holistically speaking. Of course the scene is based on the music, but is there any kind of relationship between the artists who produce the music and the people who dance to it? From my understanding, it seems that in most other scenes there is more interaction between artist and listening audience.. Here, the DJ spins and mixes the records, and is even more appreciated than the artists who make the music.. That sounds a little strange to me.. I have been listening and dancing to 'techno' in its various forms (from pseudo-industrial dance stuff to acid house to UK hip house, etc..) since 1988 (when I was too young to go out clubbing), and I honestly believe that the music is some of the best and most important I've heard.. I'm concerned, though, that the music will be taken for granted and will lose credibility.. Sin (oops..) Since harcore/ambient/breakbeat techno has no lyrics, the artists must make use of sounds and textures to compensate. The problem is that I don't think sounds and textures adhere to most people in the way that melody and lyrics do, therefore allowing the songs to be replaceable and disposable. I believe this is why such a large number of records are released each week from Amsterdam, Germany, and the UK.. Consider this.. What if techno made more use of chord structures and melody to create the mood (as rock claims to do)? If this were the case, the artists would not need to rely solely on the sounds themselves to create an atmosphere. Rather, the artist would be able to use all of these wonderful sounds as effective accents to the already-expressive music, creating something which has the potential to be both crowd-moving and filled with emotion and expression.. Hardcore would still be hardcore, trance would sill be trance, but I think that the lines would be blurred, and the genres would bleed into each other as they should. Styles would no-longer be able to be pigeon-holed as they are now. I'm not calling for a departure from sound-development and exploration. (not in the least, actually).. All I would really like to see, is texture and music working hand in hand, so that people would not be compelled to toss out last month's records because the sounds are dated.. I don't think lyrics would be at all a bad thing either.. As long as they are done tastefully, and innovatively. Can you imagine a loosely-sequenced, human-feeling bassline grooving along with drums which are played so realistically, but sound so out-of-this world that you wouldn't believe they come from our earthly machines? In addition to all that, imagine chords and melodies rich with expression creating peaks and troughs in the dancefloor's energy (making use of volume change and tempo to vary the mood), with a 303 freaking out in the mix.. When you throw the lyrics in, in addition to all of the music, you could have a piece of art that's truly unforgettable for more than just one reason. All of this may sound like idealistic babbly to you, but this is what I would really like to bring about. I don't know if I have the equipment or the talent to do so, but we'll see.. If nothing else, the problem does illicit some interesting questions and commentary.. (the word 'babbly' in the first line is supposed to be 'babbling'.. Hahah..) Can we establish techno as a credible form of music, and not just a collection of sounds set to a dull drum loop? Can we end the disposability/replaceability of the music? And also, can we make our machines express our emotions through this medium? After all, we are human and we need to express ourselves.. (Perhaps therein lie the answers to questions about the 'vibe' thing which we all create and feel).. I think it can be done.. What do you all think? Thanks for listening, Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 02:38:07 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: My Dissatisfaction.. I agree with you on some points there. I asked a question a while back if techno was disposible music...the answer is 'yes'. THere are some people creating techno now that create high-quality music. I think Moby is an excellent example. There is one problem. THe structure of a techno song is usually different than that of a say rock song...with chord progressionsand music elements of that nature. Lets look at when techno music uses chords: Usually someone will sample a major chord and just play this sound at different pitches...It's effective, but it is not a form of chord progression. It takes nearly no musical talent to make music in this form. As I see it, techno is mostly the beat and the sounds (like what you seemed to be saying). Music is the afterthought. As long as the bass kicks we're happy. My backround with music is a very musical one. This is one reason why hardcore leaves me a feeling of emptiness (that is after an hour or so or (of) if). I am just starting to open up to trance, but I can only listen to that in a rave environment, or when I don't want to think about the music which I usually do. I actually try to incorporate intelligent chord progressions or harmonic content in my songs, but I can't seem to fit it. 9th and 13th chords just don't cut it at 150 bpm! When someone will do this, I think it will be really an acheivment. Maybe some people are doing it...I dont' know I don't know that a lot of 'progressive house' seems to be leading into that direction. Finally, the purpose of a lot of techno is to bring you on a journey. It's tough for conventional music to do this to you. This journey can be a soothing one, like what the orb does , or it can really take you nowhere just let you float...in a suspended state, like trance music does. I hope I havn't missunderstood anything you said...just expressing my opinion on the subject of techno MUSIC... digital.druid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 25 December 1992 From: Dj Bubba Wassle Subject: to choozi hey neraves line whats up you motheruckers happy mery christmas and a motherfuckin happy new year to you all goddamit listen people i think you are complaining to much about melody and shit myself i dont analyze this shit i love the BOOM of hardcore and i just lose control... trance slips me around breakbeat makes me bouncy acid squeezes my brain dry and thats just thwe way it is you motherfuckers have got some stupidass ideas thinking moby is good techno or shit like that listen if you want melody listen to bach hes got p[lenty were talkingg dance music here and dont be so narrow minded to call it disposable just proves you ggeex are too set aggainst dancing as evil or some christian shit happy saturnalia you motherfuckers puff some bud and chill liffe is fun so just have another drink [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:24:05 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: My Dissatisfaction.. Darshan djesrani@center.colgate.edu writes... Firstly, I believe my disenchantment stems from the music. Being a music enthusiast (I shy away from the term 'musician' when describing myself with respect to music..) I don't feel that the music plays enough of a role in the scene, holistically speaking. Of course the scene is based on the music, but is there any kind of relationship between the artists who produce the music and the people who dance to it? From my understanding, it seems that in most other scenes there is more interaction between artist and listening audience.. Here, the DJ spins and mixes the records, and is even more appreciated than the artists who make the music.. That sounds a little strange to me.. Actually, I find the disconnection with music a plus at raves :) Let's consider the club scene...you go there, listen to readily identifiable songs often by readily identifiable bands. The songs have lyrics, passion, and often meaning. The rave scene is something different...you do not make logical mental connections with the musicians, just as you said. But this is good (for me at least). I feel disconnected mentally, and this disconnectional of my thoughts allows my passions and spirit to become unified with the beat, the sounds, and the samples. I think long coherent lyrics would take away from the vibe for me (Evapor8 is about the most lyrics I can deal with). Mind you, "braindead harcore" does get on my nerves after a while, but I could dance all night to the stuff laced with enough samples and occasional note blasts. And yeah, the bands make the techno palette, but it is up to the DJ to paint the Rave picture on the fly, though I have heard a couple of live acts at raves which could actually do this well. -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:29:08 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Catastrophic New Year's Rave <<>> From: Vlad the Impaler Sender: "Washington D.C. Rave List" CATASTROPHIC 1993 A NEW BEGINNING NEW YEAR'S EVE RAVE THURSDAY DEC. 31ST 9PM TILL 10AM BUS TRIP INFO: P.A. Dead by Dawn (Apple Jack) 215-765-9605 Boston Mindwarp (Debo) 617-266-1987 PITT. Turbo-Zen (Dario) 412-621-7759 N.J. Chrissy 908-727-6527 Spin Records 919-274-8530 Speed Raver and Raver X 703-971-4555 LASER VISUALS/INTELLABEAMS/DATAFLASH/60K WATTS OF SOUND DC/BALT Scott Henry OPM TOM T Nate Bobble PITT Deadly Buda Boston Debo NEW YORK J. Christian Onionz Joe LA Whit Jean Phillipe TICKETS --- $15.00 DC Music Now 202-638-3272 BALT. Modern Music 410-523-1882 N.C. Spin Records 919-274-8530 PITT. Turbo-Zen 412-621-7759 N.Y. Aquasonic (Heather) 212-995-2647 Rumor has it that Frankie Bones will appear as guest DJ, and also Lords of Acid and Nitzer Ebb will be performing live. But again - these are rumours..... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 12:03:12 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: My Dissatisfaction.. First off, great letter. I have a few points to address though (and I'm done opening all my X-MAS presents (I love that, "more X" in Spanish :) so I have time to reply). As far as comparing the DJ to other musical performers; I see the DJ as a cross between a true musician (whose musical instruments are his turntables and mixer and record collection) and an orchestra conductor, who knows that the art of his craft is in coordinating several elements (who on their own are brilliant) into a performance whose whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I have _more_ respect for a good DJ than I do for _most_ techno music out there. To take it one step further... there seems to be a battle between good DJ's and popular techno artists; a DJ likes records with long intros and outtros, songs which aren't too complex or shift dramatically, because the DJ wants to exercise control over when those shifts occur, he wants to create the mood, the energy. He wants music which he can manipulate, so that he (oops, I just realized I was using the masculine! sorry) I mean, they, can have a unique sound. If a DJ just plays the current popular rave tunes and simply segueways between them,they're easily replaceable; a DJ has attained true god-like status when you can listen to a unmarked tape and say, "hey, this _must_ be a Garth tape" or "Where'd you get this Onionz tape?" or "Wha? I didn't know Dieselboy was releasing mix tapes!" :):):) The end result - most DJ's will aim for the songs that are relatively simple, relatively disposable, which are very rarely more than a few drum machines and a simple synth. Especially hardcore DJ's - they just want stuff with a good rhythm and a buzzsaw riff every now and then. I was in a DJ store yesterday - out of 20 records I sampled, at least 5 were _nothing_ more than a 909 with some effects and MAYBE a synth squeak here and there. Maybe this best explains why I like dub house (what other people may call "progressive house", which is a horrid name IMHO) because there is a LOT of melody built in, a lot of mood and effect, yet it's still relatively easy for the DJ to imprint his own style on it. Pure 303-trancey-acid-house also works like this. Now on to the second point of your letter, that one reason you're kinda down on the scene is because you think the music is too disposable. I agree with you, that _most_ of the music is too disposable. Yet there are some tracks I've heard only at raves and never mentioned here that after one listen KNEW I would never get tired of it, be able to listen to it for a long time to come - in other words, completely UNdisposable. Mad Monks of Zinc is one example; Faith Department's "Initiation" is another. And I would still count the UVC track as being underground, despite the heavy breathing it gets here on the net :) Of course, I've struck out too - I'll listen to a record I think is brilliant at a rave or at a store, and take it home and decide it sucks after 3 listens. But there is a lot of other music being put out that does approach timeless, that I would consider on par and as memorable as ANYTHING else I've bought over the past 6 years. I've found the advice given here on the net to be invaluable and most of the time dead-on as far as picking some of it out. I think we get back to John's 1000-monkeys-with -typewriters effect; except the odds are a wee bit better here :) As for making your own... go for it! Make music YOU'RE proud of, and if a DJ you give it too doesn't like it because he says it's "too busy", that just means he;s scared of it ;) Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 11:38:09 -0500 Subject: Re: to choozi i don't agree with HOW you put it, but i actually agree with your point. the rave scene is unlike any other scene.. .that's why i like it! to say "well, other scenes have this and that aspect to them" is very silly indeed. i don't want melody, i don't want structure. if i wanted that, i'd listen to rock&roll, classical, opera, whatever. that's what the different styles of music are there for, your mood! feel like dancing your ass all nite? listen to techno! feel like chilling out? listen to ambient, or pink floyd or whatever puts you in the mood. i also agree with brian's post, about the DJs and how they create their own sound and style. yes, this is a different from going to a concert and worshipping the guitar god with your fist in the air, i don't WANT the rave scene to be like that! like fraser clark once said, "rock and roll is what grandparents listen to...." so, there it is, my opinion :) not as coherent as i like to be, but i'm tired :p dance forever! and peace. donat o (oops :)) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 19:25:13 -0500 From: schwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Barbara Hall) Subject: Raves, of course... Hey....ever heard of Dead by Dawn....from Philly? Please respond... schwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu thanx. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: silence Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 21:28:02 EST do I hear crickets chirping? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Now From: DJ Bubba Wassle (fukkin hahdkoah) Subject: penis Yyoyo1 Fuckin 2, How are you feelin GGEEK BS yo you mother fuckin cock sock head wearing penis lookingg x-stasy taking Jive wearing Revelation going can't gget on the gguest list pieces of can't dance shit. No i'm not drunk high or fucked up Ijust want to speak out a la MALCOLM X! The raver is evil he or she can't be trusted they have no loyalty to any one style they have no roots! Yeah do you listen polka ? Or any other "world" music? Probably not. I'm here to educate create my own brand andd no I don't incorporate a Roland drum machine name in my messagges . Do something original even MC ROMEOROMEO is in a punk band now YES YOU MOTHER FUCKIN daisy wearin RAVE KIDS A PUNK BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PEACE ANDD YESB YOU TOO CAN SUCK MY DICK! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 18:45:26 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Revelation Did anyone go to Revelation? How was it? -Chris. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 22:04:51 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: penis You're brilliant. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 23:23:24 -0500 Subject: Re: penis dude, leave the educating to KRS-one you can't talk. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 23:27:38 -0500 Subject: Re: silence yeah, so here's some controversy! :) i was thinking about the point that someone made that "INTERFACE" is the name of a magazine. note: NOVA = television program BOLD = detergent LIFE = a magazine anyone care to add to the list ? i don't think we should be worried about trademarks and stuff.. we could always called it INTrface :) (oops, ^-- call) peace to all (even those who judge without knowing) donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Rev-E-Lation Date: Sunday 27 December 1992 Lemme tell you a story about Revelation... First off I had my worrisome (doubts) about this one, the big-e, the rave to end all raves or so the pass proposed. Originally 3000 tickets were to be sold and only till Dec. 20 but that num. dropped to 2000 and then the sale date extended rite up to the day of the rave. We got to Decadance Rec. in Manhattan got the map point and after staging a fake fight ;) we rode off to Brooklyn otherwise known as Crookland. Good thing we knew our way around because the directions were from Broadway yet here we were right next to Seventh Ave and if you really didnt know the city you could easily get fucked up not to mention that on the BQE aftre the Brooklyn Bridge they said to take exit 39 but it was actually the 39th St Exit but anyway enuff with such window-dressings. Got there about 12.30 AM. Cool ass warehouse (ooo my first REAL rave ;) ;) ;) on 26th and 3rd Ave. GGreat mass of people outside. This was suposed to start at 10PM. Hmmm. We go and check it out. One of the loading doors is open and we can see inside about 150 people standing around as the house lights are on and they are doing a soundcheck. We head back to our car to sit and lo and behold the faithful New York's finest have shown up. They head to the door apparently hearing about a figght but nothing comes of it and they back off. Then they are back twenty minutes later and soon disappear aggain. Soon it'sm 1.30 AM and FINALLy the mofo gets rolling. We skitterscamper off to the warehouse. The first two djs are just plain lame. Yuck. Shitty breakbeat, shitty house, shitty hardcore shitty commercial ughmusic. No vibe to speak of then Scott Henry shows up. He does his thingg. Slap-happy-giddy breakbeat and some nice housey stuff to get you bonkers. About 2 AM (during the shit djs) the music goes off for five minutes. We are told that if the music returns the rave is safe if it stays off its over. It comes back. The next three hours are the most magnifical ravelicious experience this man has ever tranceperienced. Sweet-as-hell hardcore pushed to 160 BPM curtesy of Micro, even Frankie Bones shows up and doesnt gab as much as he ususally does (the man cant dance BTW Bwa-ha-ha!) then i stopped paying attention cuz i was in a ggroove. the crowd was so mofo friendly i felt like family. I meet up with this Philly kid and we talk a while turns out they had followdd us here cuz they ddint know the way (seccond group of Philly ravers ive helped) and then... We are told the rave is done and with this 5AM ending tthey (dante?) apologizes and say there one more song: Sugar Hill Gangg!!! Super cool funky-dsico style rap song. The crowd ate it up. About this time we met up with Chuck (revar@aol.com). He saw me brother Doug's ne-raves tag, and soon we gave him a ride to his place in Manhattan. Apparently there were ggoing to be aftre-thinggs at Onionz place and Sound Factory but who knows what became of those. We hung out at Chuck's place a little while (thanx Chuck) and were on our way home a wee bit early. Orange juice in th' place... So basically if they hadnt closed the thing down but even cuz they did id have to say this was my best rave experience EVER. Hands down. Nope Rakim knows it No Competition. You people who missed it MISSEd it. Now i wanna gget on the Evolution mailing list or whatever, If there aboveground is this good how are the undergrounds? banging on fenceposts banging in the night alternativeLUNatick! --Mr. SparklE [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 01:32:18 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (we find that their minds rarely move in a line) Subject: Forged headers.. The person who's posting with excessive profanity is forging SMTP headers.. So, they're not on the list, and I can't do anything about it. Ignore it, and it'll go away. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 01:25:46 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: NEW YORK'S TRUE RAVE some information about the NEW YEAR'S RAVE in New York City: NEW YEAR'S RAVE Thursday 12.31.92 10pm till... New York City's only true rave. DJs: Frankie Bones, Dmitry(of Deee-lite), Mr. Kleen, Soul Slinger, On-E, Jason Jinx, Joeski, Scott Richmond, Onionz, Jacquelyn Christie, Debo + Suprises!!! ... Legal warehouse location in Soho. 3 dancefloors, 12+ DJs. $20 Admission. All Agges. Bring a flashlight. Purchase tickets at NASA, Vinylmania, or at Map Point on 12.31.92 after 8pm. You must purchase tickets at the Map Point or in advance to get in. The location will only be revealed at the map point. Only 2000 tickets available. THIS EVENT WILL SELL OUT. Produced with love and unity by: NASA crew] 212-330-8233 Primal Posse] 212-696-8938 Satellite Productions] 212-465-3299 Storm & Joint Ventures] 212-629-2061 Mellow Mwllo & Eddie Van Raven Or call 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE. Map Point after 8pm December 31 is the Northeast Corner of Second St. and Bowery. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:52:31 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: penis Yeah, another terminal hijacked on X.mas while the rightful owner was off in the loo. On the east coast when we used to hear this kind of stuff, we'd say: gedouddaheah! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 01:55:49 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (we're not lost, we're meant to be here) Subject: SASSY rave article from 1/93 issue Reproduced without permission. The writer of the article is Christina Kelly, _Sassy_'s senior writer and entertainment editor. _Sassy_'s mailing address (for LETTERS, hint hint) is: SASSY 230 Park Avenue New York, New York 10169 WELCOME TO MY RAVE NIGHTMARE ---------------------------- Join me, won't you, in a muddy airfield in Winchester, England. Watch sheets of rain fall from the sky and 30,000 tripping teenagers smeared in Vicks Vapo-rub rave their little hearts out until the sun comes up. BY CHRISTINA I just got back from London. A few weeks ago, Shelby, the Elektra Records chick who was publicizing this techno band, the Prodigy, called with an offer to fly me over to England to experience the biggest rave ever. Quick definition of techno courtesy of staff boy Charles Aaron: really, really fast electronic dance music that sounds like a video game constantly going off. Quick definition of raves: huge (often outdoor, often illegal) parties where people high on the quasi-psychedelic, mood-enhancing drug ecstasy dance to techno wearing funny accesories. Raves are big in London and on the West Coast of the United States (though perhaps past their peak of ultimate hipness in these places) and I had never gone to one before. Also, I did find rave culture interesting from a sociological standpoint, even if I knew all the drug use would skeeze me out. Earlier today I called Liam Howlett, the 20-year-old who creates all the music for the Prodigy on his synthesizer and keyboard. He's been into the rave scene since 1989, so I figured he'd understand the philosophy behind what I had just experienced. Most ravers seem to think it's just about having fun, but I had read that it was also about using technology to release the primordial energy of the earth. "That's too spiritual for me," Liam said, laughing. "It's more like when you were little and your mom and dad told you not to do something. You want to be a bit naughty. I suppose it's like a rebellious thing. Raving in a field until it gets light." I asked him to address the conventional wisdom that people have to be on ecstasy to enjoy techno. "It's not all about drugs," he said. "I think the people who have to take ecstasy to enjoy it are a bit sad, really, because you don't have to take drugs to enjoy music." But Liam, aren't all the people at raves on ecstasy? "Well, of course," he said. "But a record should be strong enough to stand on its own without the use of ecstasy or LSD or whatever, you know, mind-changing drugs." Should be, but in the case of techno, apparently not. I asked him how he rated the rave I had just been to. "I didn't enjoy it too much," he said. "It was too wet." I'll admit that I don't have a taste for techno as a genre. Allegedly started in Detroit in the mid-80's by these DJs named Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson, techno has its roots in hip-hop, disco, and the early '80s Sprocket-esque band Kraftwerk. Back then it was called acid house. It was later exported to Europe, where producers sped it up, sometimes to 136 beats per minute. In England techno fans created a whole subculture. It spawned various sub-genres like New Beat before the current label was introduced. The rest is history. As for my own trip... I flew to London with Shelby's colleague, Miss Beth Jacobson, and Mr. Jon Pareles, a scholarly music critic for the New York Times. I tried to listen to the Prodigy tape on the plane but couldn't. It was just too fast and the nutty synthesizer noises were headache-inducing. Even on my Walkman, this music made me feel like I was in a club. And unfortunately, it stuck in my head long after I had turned it off. I read the press clips that Shelby had so thoughtfully provided. I learned that the Prodigy had had a lot of commercial success (in England). Their song "Charly" sampled a children's cartoon public service announcement starring a cat, as well-known there as Smokey the Bear is here. It was a hit, and set off a big trend of techno songs with cartoon samples making it to the charts. Soon after, the dance music magazine _mixmag_ felt compelled to blame the Prodigy for the "death of rave" -- i.e., the hard-core underground ravers felt their scene was being sold out because techno was now fit for radio airplay. Those superior underground types sure do *hate* it when the uncool masses start co-opting their scenes, whether they be fans of the Nation of Ulysses or T99. Anyway, we got to England at, like, 7:00 in the morning on Saturday, went to our hotel, slept until 1:00 or 2:00, drank tea, ate dinner, and headed out to the rave at 8:30 in a car sent by XL, Britain's premier techno label. The rave, which was to feature four XL bands playing live (although "live techno" seems to be a contradiction in terms since it's usually the creation of a producer in a studio), was taking place at an airfield in a suburb called Winchester. It was being put on by Vision, big rave organizers over there. We entered the airfield at, like, midnight, and drove to the VIP entrance, which was decidedly un-VIP-ish. It was pouring rain and chilly, and I had to walk over a huge mound of mud in my platform sandals, making me pretty miserable. We stood outside with all the young rave-scene luminaries, waiting for someone to let us in past the gates. Finally a girl led us to the press area, outside the actual site of the rave. Luckily, that was in a building. People were standing around drinking water (to combat their ecstasy-induced dehydration) or little bottles of a greenish liquid called Gluconate, a Gatorade-like drink that ravers consume to keep them dancing all night. Emma, who is English, said that her mum used to give it to her as a child when she was sick. Someone gave me one. It was fizzy and sort of vitaminy-tasting and it did make me feel slightly less jet-lagged. Beth was looking for Leah, the publicist from XL. When we found her, a youngish woman with long dark hair, she told us that the Prodigy would probably arrive at about 3:30am; they weren't set to go on until 5:00. Leah led us down to the site of the rave. It was pretty much an extravaganza. This particular one was supposed to have 20,000 people at it, but there were more like 30,000 when they closed the gates at midnight. Amusement park rides, like a ferris wheel and a spinning nausea-inducing thing, were lit up against the pitch-black sky. There were five huge tents on the premises. The Main Arena, also called the Science Fiction Techno tent, was purported to be the largest big top in Europe. It was where all the bands played. Arena two was a smaller version of the same thing, where recorded techno was played. There were also two large "chill-out" tents. The advance promotion promised a tent with a foam machine going all night, but that didn't happen. We entered the Main Arena. There was a stage in front, with huge video screens that flashed words like "Love Life" and "Rave On." The lights were very trippy. The music was predictably loud, fast, and electronic -- and to my ears, unlistenable. When there were vocals, it was just some girl saying "ecstasy" over and over. The unmistakable odor of Vicks Vapo-rub filled the air. The ravers smear the stuff on their temples to complement the ecstasy high. Some of their faces were glistening. As a group, the ravers could not have been more pasty and unattractive. There seemed to be a lot more guys there than girls, and they danced, as in an epileptic fit, facing the stage. They pretty much kept their feet planted and worked their upper bodies furiously, their white-gloved hands shooting spasmodically up and down to the music, like little self-contained, inwardly directed units. The ravers wore your basic oversized T-shirts and sweatshirts and jeans. But they accesorized with such truly weird things -- like those doctor's masks that over your mouth and nose, or white hockey masks of the sort worn by Jason in _Friday the 13th_, topped off with Gilligan's Island hats bearing little pins with the letter "E" (for ecstasy). They sucked on pacifiers or blew on disco whistles. I wondered if Karl Lagerfeld would be incorporating ravewear into his next collection for Chanel, as he did with rap. I imagined Linda Evangelista smeared in Vicks and sucking on a pacifier. While watching I noticed another more chemical smell comingling with the menthol of the Vicks. It was amyl nitrate, a drug which a lot of kids were sniffing from little brown bottle, then dancing really fast. Call me a square (I prefer straight edge, actually), but I find it increidbly sick when people go to such bizarre lengths to get a buzz. Beth, Emma, a friend of theirs and I stayed together as a posse, eventually moving to the chill-out area, where hundreds, maybe thousands, of kids were splayed on the muddy ground while techno played at a slighly lower volume than in the Main Arena. But it was still raining really hard so we headed back to the main tent. By this time, I was even more miserable, what with pissing rain, disgusting mud and music that I am just too uncool to get. And we *still* had four hours until the Prodigy was to play. A boy who looked about 14 turned around and asked us pleasantly: "Are my pupils dilated?" "A little bit," said Beth. A few minutes later, a guy dressed all in white -- overalls, Gilligan hat, and cotton gloves -- asked if he could have some of my water. I gave him the bottle, and asked why he was wearing gloves. I guess no one had ever asked such an obvious question. He looked like he felt a little silly. "So people can see my hands," he said. Oh. Onstage, an MC or whatever yelled "We're 40,000 strong!" The rave was seemingly like an apolitical, synthetic, alientated Woodstock of the '90s. There was definately an atmosphere of love and sharing and rebellion against authority. And even though it was totally packed, when people passed by they did not push. Any event in the United States with a crowd this size would certainly have a major police presence, but there were no policemen on the grounds. There didn't seem to be any violence. Even so, it all seemed so desperate to me. And soulless. Three-thirty came and went, then 5:30, and no Prodigy. As the sun was coming up, I decided I'd do a phone interview back in NYC. We met Jon Pareles back at the VIP arena and left. "Are you thrilled?" Beth asked him. "I'm touched," said Jon, "that people will go through so much to have a good time." I was actually more disgusted than touched. We got into the car and watched the rain fall on the mud fields as we drove back to London. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 01:55:49 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: whos playin where huh? just noticed: Catastrophic and the New York New Year's Rave BOTH have advertised that they'll have Onionz and Debo djing. Anyone know which one is ggettingg them? doug ))))) a boomingg base for a loving race ((((( p.s. Catastrophic has some of the lamest passes ive ever seen. they should get their act together. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Hartford Rave Date: Mon, 28 December, 1992 hokay. lissen up. I posted a few weeks ago about a Hartford rave. We are planning it for about January 30th or thereabouts now but the reason I am posting this announcement is becuase i would likes ta know if any of yall ravers would like to get involved in some capacity. You realize this will be Hartford (Ct.)'s first ravesperience and so maybe we could get some ne-ravers to help out, if only as training for the Allentown Rave (which i hope hasnt ggone the way of lava lamps and tightie whities). So howzaboutit? Anyone wish to help in some capacity? pleeeeeeez? Peace and loveism.... --Mr. SparklE kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu "an if you wanna know why were on the top of the pile thats cuz huhhuhhuh we got style..." Grandmaster Flash [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ted schwantsky= the enhanced one Subject: me stating the obvious: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 9:59:11 EST i never sleep i spend too much money on phone bills instead of MIDI to cv convertors computers are good for you. happy holidays, i am going to go to sleep now.. sines -- | ___| | | |_| |/ | \| | | ___| ___| _ \ enhanced * body release | ___| | | | _ | _ | | | | |__| ___| |_| | tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu |____|_|___|_| |_|_| |_|_|___|____|____|_____| todd sines; 614.299.9529 384 e17th av, columbus, oh 43201 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: The Imaginal Rave Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 13:36:11 EST I wish I could have put it that well. All my dry philosophical ramblings do not communicate what I've been trying to say as well as this did. My only disagreement is with the author's dismissal of academics. I look to the academic world for help in putting all this into a proper historical context. Judging by the refer- ences, I suspect that the author is more academically trained (in or out of university) than he or she lets on... Thanks for posting this. I am deinifitely going to order a copy of the original. Its uplifting message is helping me through the depression I'm feeling at having gotten laryngitis and bronchitis severe enough to make me cut my vacation short. I finally got to meet my niece. Alaena is a year old, can figure out how anything works, and has an innate sense of rhythm that begs to be fed techno. She puts out a happy giggling vibe I'll carry with me for quite a long time. -Ed +djSLiP+ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:11:00 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: SASSY rave article from 1/93 issue No violence, wet, love and sharing, rebellion against authority, and, like, incredibly sick, disgusting, desperate, and, like, soulless. R***ing as interpreted by the silly little twits Mad Ave filters its cultural sensibility through. Let 'em have Langerfeld, Chanel and Linda Evangelista . . . [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 13:30:20 PST From: geoffw%nexsys@igc.apc.org (Geoff White) Subject: A RAVE NEW WORLD ---------- X-Sun-Data-Type: text X-Sun-Data-Description: text X-Sun-Data-Name: text X-Sun-Content-Lines: 15 This flyer/zine will be going out in hard copy at the gathering here in San Francisco on New Years eve. It will shortly be available via ftp in Postscript and text on soda.berkeley.edu Feel free to copy, circulate, quote, use, whatever, just don't plagerize if you please. 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Anyone know which one is ggettingg them? > doug ))))) a boomingg base for a loving race ((((( Two possibilities come to mind: 1) One of the raves is lying. 2) These DJs will be playing at both raves. It's not impossible to play two two-hour sets at different raves, as long as the raves are within reasonable driving distance of each other. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 18:46 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: SUPRISE: Rave-O-Matic (rev mon dec 28) R A V E - O - M A T I C Ha ha. I managed to get logged in while on vacation. Will be back for REAL on January 4. Hope to see some of you at NOVA. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 NEW YEAR'S RAVE New York City (212) - 330 - 8233 (212) - 696 - 8938 (212) - 465 - 3299 (212) - 629 - 2061 1 - 800 - 4RAVELINE some information about the NEW YEAR'S RAVE in New York City: NEW YEAR'S RAVE Thursday 12.31.92 10pm till... New York City's only true rave. DJs: Frankie Bones, Dmitry(of Deee-lite), Mr. Kleen, Soul Slinger, On-E, Jason Jinx, Joeski, Scott Richmond, Onionz, Jacquelyn Christie, Debo + Suprises!!! ... Legal warehouse location in Soho. 3 dancefloors, 12+ DJs. $20 Admission. All Agges. Bring a flashlight. Purchase tickets at NASA, Vinylmania, or at Map Point on 12.31.92 after 8pm. You must purchase tickets at the Map Point or in advance to get in. The location will only be revealed at the map point. Only 2000 tickets available. THIS EVENT WILL SELL OUT. Produced with love and unity by: NASA crew] 212-330-8233 Primal Posse] 212-696-8938 Satellite Productions] 212-465-3299 Storm & Joint Ventures] 212-629-2061 Mellow Mwllo & Eddie Van Raven Or call 1-800-4-RAVE-LINE. Map Point after 8pm December 31 is the Northeast Corner of Second St. and Bowery. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC area (215) - 765 - 9605 (617) - 266 - 1987 (412) - 621 - 7759 (908) - 727 - 6527 (919) - 274 - 8530 (703) - 971 - 4555 CATASTROPHIC 1993 A NEW BEGINNING NEW YEAR'S EVE RAVE THURSDAY DEC. 31ST 9PM TILL 10AM BUS TRIP INFO: P.A. Dead by Dawn (Apple Jack) 215-765-9605 Boston Mindwarp (Debo) 617-266-1987 PITT. Turbo-Zen (Dario) 412-621-7759 N.J. Chrissy 908-727-6527 Spin Records 919-274-8530 Speed Raver and Raver X 703-971-4555 LASER VISUALS/INTELLABEAMS/DATAFLASH/60K WATTS OF SOUND DC/BALT Scott Henry OPM TOM T Nate Bobble PITT Deadly Buda Boston Debo NEW YORK J. Christian Onionz Joe LA Whit Jean Phillipe TICKETS --- $15.00 DC Music Now 202-638-3272 BALT. Modern Music 410-523-1882 N.C. Spin Records 919-274-8530 PITT. Turbo-Zen 412-621-7759 N.Y. Aquasonic (Heather) 212-995-2647 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 NOVA Providence, RI (401) - 621 - 7563 ORACLE Productions presents NOVA rave in the new year THURSDAY DECEMBER, 31 1992 10PM - 6AM (legal location in providence, RI) Mayhem rave into the future with (Rise) live fireworks on a 240 ft video projection screen Overload (sky high) Visuals by GlowWorm Osheen +10,000 w. of (michelangelo) sonic vibe Tim Ryan STAY TUNED smart bar (venus) Savage alcohol & drug free (metamorphosis) info: 401 - 621 - 7563 tickets: $9 in advance $12 day of rave; map with tickets luna-sea 401 - 272 - LUNA rainbow records 401 - 331 - 6660 loft (boston 21 stanhope st) 617 - 262 - 2121 a portion on the proceeds will be donated to Alumni Association ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 1st ZODIAC Philadelphia (215) 236 - 3713 East meets West as Philly & Los Angeles team up to bring you the 1st party of the year Friday, January 1st ZODIAC a cosmic gathering, a stellar event, a monthly phenomenon for all signs and all ages! Celestial DJ's: Remic Wink Tripp Nigel Kats Lee glide through the heavens, trip through the underworld on 2 separate dance floors. PAN, the god of music, brings gifts from the Heavens CDs * cassettes * 12 inches * posters a PAST MIDNIGHT production Nervous/Sony/Epic/Elektra/FFRR/Sire in cahoots with ZEUS the creator Columbia/WarnerBros/RuffHouse/Reprise JOEY (LA) Atmosphere: ZEN DefJam/Capitol/EW/Chameleon/Chrysalis Lights: GEE-E $8 advance $1 off with flyer $10 admission on the 1st $5 for Capricorns (advance sales only) advance tickets: Condom World 335 South St (Philly) Condom World 332 Newbury (Boston) Exit 1224 Melrose (LA) Sound of Market II 1230 Chestnut (Philly) after Dec 26 Directions and Info: 215-236-3713 A private gathering at Revival 22 S 3rd (Philly) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 8 ULTRAWORLD 3 (BRAINRAVE) Baltimore (410) - 563 - 7880 12 DJ's -- 12 hour rave -- 10pm/10am Gyroscope (from Virtual Reality) Some of the DJs are: Scott Henry Onionz Dr. Sun Neuromancer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, January 8 RESURRECTION Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada ============================================================== CHSR-FM 97.9 & TranceAtlantic Productions Present: R E S U R R E C T I O N Featuring DJ BRAIN (Halifax, Nova Scotia) with DJ Nonsense and DJ MIR FRIDAY - JANUARY 8, 1993 At the University of New Brunswick, Student Union Building Cafeteria in Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada ============================== Doors open 9:30 pm til 4:00 am Tickets $5.00 (students) 7.00 (non-students) ================================= Smart bar by S.M.A.R.T. P.A.C.C. ======================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 9 LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC (703) - 222 - 4499 TONKA Productions invites you to a new dimension in a third dimension L I Q U I D H O L I D A Y Saturday January 9th, 1993, 10pm-10am a tribal gathering is planned to bring out the masses for a celebration. Like robots from the mist, we'll rise to unite for a night of revelry and enlightenment to experience supernatural sound and lighting emanating through out your minds carrying you into an ecstacy of enchantment found only in your deepest dreams. Navigating The Dance Floors: LENNY DEE FRANKIE BONES Industrial Strength Brooklyn (Storm) WINK DANTE Philly Evolution ONIONZ DEBO Long Island Boston JAMES CHRISTIAN SCOTT HENRY Long Island Washington, D.C. LIEVEN DE GEYNDT BOBBLE Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe FRANKIE HARTUNG LG Washington, D.C. Atomic Vibe MICHAEL MEACHAM SOUND REALITY ILLUMINATING REALITY 40,000 Watts of Booming Bass for a Loving Rave Ultimate Intellabeams LASERTAINMENT'S Emulators 20 Watt Multicolor Argon Lasers Data Flash Strobes SMART BAR & MIND MACHINES Visual Stimulations by Neuro Energy TICKET INFO: Tickets will be sold at MusicNow 202.638.3272 (D.C.) Modern Music 410.523.1882 (Balt.) $15 Starting Jan 3rd THROUGH Sat Jan 9th TONKA INFO LINE: 703.912.6767 BUS TRAVEL & INFO New Jersey - Michael Chrissi & Beth - 908.727.6527 New Jersey - Planet X Digital Deviants - 908.249.0304 Brooklyn - Groove Records - 718.714.5232 Boston - Mindwarp - 617.266.1987 Philly - Dead by Dawn - 215.552.8833 Philly - Wink - 215.292.4666 Greensboro N.C. - Spins - 919.274.8530 Raleigh N.C. - Mystere Prod. - 919.829.9719 Pittsburg - TurboZen - 412.621.7759 Baltimore - Atomic Vibe - 410.235.1131 SPECIAL THANKS TO EVERY ONE WHO HAS MADE THE UNDERGROUND A REALITY AND HAS MADE IT EVOLVE TO WHERE IT IS TODAY. LOVE & PEACE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 ESSENCE Long Island (516) - 547 - 6129 (617) - 266 - 1987 The Essence of Life Generation / X-Cubed / O-Tomic Productions & Simon Sez invite you to "witness the enlightenment of the Long Island underground" E S S E N C E Saturday, January 16, 1993 12am-??? L.I. Micro Onionz Dave Trance James Christian Jason Jinx D.C. Scott Henry Philly Wink Queens Dante Brooklyn Adam-X Boston Debo Cleveland Rob Sherwood New Jersey Space Ace 30,000 Watts of Shattering Sound Pulsating Planetary Pupil Pounding Visuals featuring one of the most extensive sound & light productions of any NY area event For up-to-date ticket & bus info call (516) - 547 - 6129 In Boston call (617) - 266 - 1987 Promotion: X-Cubed / O-Tomic / Kort & Greg / Mello Mello / Mindwarp Eddie van Raven / Chris Styles All tickets $12 Support the scene that has supported YOU! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 16 XOCHIPILLI Portland, ME Prepare for the Ritual "Xochipilli: 24 hour rave! January 16 @ 12 Noon - January 17 @ Noon Produced By A Book Called Galanta Portland, Maine (watch for info) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 23 DEEP Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 First we made you PURE. Together we followed the blinding truth of CRUSADE. Next we brought you SKY-HIGH. Now let us take you . . . D E E P Saturday, January 23rd 11pm til Sunrise DJs Tintin (London) Onionz (Long Island) Mayhem (Boston) 333 Mgee (London) Overload (Maine) Dale Charles (San Diego) Smart Bar, Rave Gear, & More Brilliant Lighting & Visuals by Pandemonium! 12,000 watts of sound huge warehouse location 207 - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, January 30 WONDERLAND Boston Wonderland's a Gathering of the Vibes Saturday, January 30th, 1993 Information Coming Soon! Presented by Never Neverland Productions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late January THE HOUSE YOU GREW UP IN Balt./DC area [from _Fission Power_, the UMD rave 'zine -- thanks Mike!!] The House You Grew Up In, brought to you by Atomic Vibe. Features John Leonardo, Scott Henry, L.G. McCannon, Bobble, and Wash. A fresh mix of 80's house style music. Call Atomic Vibe for info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, February 13 BLUE New England Blue . . . Coming to You 13 February 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Catastrophic From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (Inhuman) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 18:46:55 EST Well, whether or not Catastrophic 93 is at Kilmer place again or not, I'm going to be there, because I haven't been to a rave since Flintstone and I'm beginning to go into withdrawl. Since there's no Hook-up-o-matic over the holidays and I'm not sure if I'll be wearing my ne-raves 3.5" disk, just look for a 17-year-old youth wearing a fifth column shirt that says "FUCK ART LET'S KILL". Then run up to me and introduce yourself! I've only met one ne-raver at a rave so far. I'm gonna stay until 10am for this one, so I better find someone fun to hang with! --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: in defense of Sassy Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:53:25 EST Shut me up, please! This is not the most coherent thing I've ever written, not the most thought-out, either, but before the Sassy-bashing goes too far I have to admit that I like Sassy and I think Christina raised some good points (in a safe, mass-media-friendly, talking-with-the-girls kind of way). This is what I posted to alt.rave about it: In article <1992Dec29.004157.3568@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (ha wkeye) spews: >PS: This doesn't really belong here, but, I was just listening to the >Pet Shop Boys, as I always seem to be, and I was just wondering if >someone could confirm if "How can you expect to be taken seriously?" >is about Paul McCartney, like I've always thought it was, or is it >about someone else? It's about Sting, actually, or so I've heard. :) As for the Sassy article, I must be the only one who doesn't think it should be burned and the writer hung upside-down from her toenails. I just sent them a letter a little over a month ago praising them. Please, flames to /dev/null. I don't think it's a sin that she doesn't think techno is the music of the gods, nor do I think everyone should take it so hard that she didn't have a good time. I am friends with a lot of straightedge ravers, and they've pointed out to me that as fun as raving is, the drug use is really, well, pointless to someone who doesn't use drugs. I don't have a problem with it, but I know what it feels like to be alienated like that, hearing all these cheezy drug-reference samples and being surrounded by a roomful/clubful/fieldful of people using drugs/alcohol. Obviously the scene doesn't have to be so centric around the drug use but from her description it sounded like that event in England was just that. Since her perspective was that of a straightedge person, it doesn't sound like that great of a time. Left to my own devices, I'd choose to dance around the house with a few of my friends or alone with the headphones instead of trying to dance in a muddy field all night in the rain with thousands of people tripping/Xing/pissing out of their skulls waiting for the Prodigy to not show up. I don't care if the vibe was so great all 40,000 people there were having an orgy, I'll stick to being boring, throwing private mini-raves in suburbia, where I don't have to put up with all the crap Christina did. Is writing letters telling her the only reason she didn't have a good time was because she's got a bad attitude really going to be worth it? Come on, how can you expect to be taken seriously when she's listed a half dozen reasons why going to this 'real rave' wasn't so marvelously romantic as it was 'supposed' to be? (someone shoot me before I include another pet shop boys reference, please) My questions are rhetoirical; I just wanted to toss an opposing viewpoint into the Sassy-bashing people are trying to stir up. Humbly, mike Mike Brown _ _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:54:20 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: fl-raves address? Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 22:55:28 EST somebody sent me a message asking for the address...can anybody help? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 20:37:30 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Virtual rave Brian has been having some problems with his "Virtual Rave" program..so for the time being, he sent a message to all on sf-raves that it's been temporarily relocated to port 7282 (instead of 7283) of haas.. -Chris. BTW,how did Revelation go? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 28 Dec 92 23:37:15 EST From: ryan <74200.674@CompuServe.COM> Subject: mailing list I am interested in joining ne-raves and would also appreciate any other rave mailing lists on the east coast. PEaCe rYaN Distribution: internet: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:30:13 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: Catastrophic Yeah, I think I've seen Inhuman at a rave or two. "Hey look, that dude is wearing a 3 1/2 disk! How technopagan!" Of course, you can encounter the U of MD posse by looking for the red beam of the helium neon laser (or two..or perhaps even three!) -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:36:17 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Rev-E-Lation Overall, I thought revelation was pretty cool. It was kind of badly organized, though. The map point did not have directions until eleven, and the rave did not start until twelve, instead of the advertised ten. Also, there were a lot of cops around, and two or three times everything was stopped. In the end, at five, the fire dept. declared the place unsafe and shut it down. I talked to Dante and he said the cops had totally been harassing them all night. Otherwise, the rave was brilliant. I was especially impressed by Frankie Bones. After, we went to a party thrown by Onionz in Layaway on Long Island. It was pretty cool, with about a hundred people, and while we were there Jason Jinx was spinning. We had to leave early, but I heard the after-party went on until two in the afternoon. Ciamac. PS - Brilliant stickers, Chuck! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:39:51 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: revelation a revealing look at revelation, . just a compliment to the other two reviews about REVELATION. It was lots of fun. After ggetting directions fake fight in streets of NYC thrown into fence, screaming, yelling, people looking, walk on :) got to REVELATION 1am. Police outside, looks like things were going to be busted before they even started, but Dante had the permits and the police went off on their merry way, or so thought. . Nice inside once got inside. music thumping and went off dancing, but tired quickly so took a break. There was some thumpin HARDCORE and the crowd ate it up! going wild. Around 2 the Fire Marshal tried to stop the rave, he shut off the music and announced, I sorry but i have to ask everyone to leave the building in an orderly fashion... THE CROWD REVOLTS: No way! and I want my money back! but then... the Fire Marshal announces, Wait a person is coming with the necessary permits. The crowd rejoyces, DANTE once again saves the night. soon someone anounces: well were back on, but for how long we don't know, so dance while you can! The crowd sure did. DAMN this was a nice vibe. some of the nas-t-est dancing ever witnessed. the lighting was masterful, whites, blues, greens, matched with the beat. one point in the rave i was down, a friend-o-mine was not feeling well. had my head resting upon my arms, then a girl with goldilocks braided-like hair tapped me on the knee. i looked up and she gave my some hard candy, a smile, and then she was off into the crowd. thank you. soom back into the vibe, just in time for my boy Scott Henry on the t'tables. damn the BREAKBEAT, yeeahow!!! anyways around 5 the lights came on. the music didn't stop so about 20 of us continued dancing. Then someone came on, and said sorry about the rave ending so soon, but the police were puting preasure on him. Jason Jinx then played some Sugar Hill Gang to end the night with the crowd jumping up and down saying, OHohohOHohohOHohohOHohoh! :) out troop (INC. Mr. SparklE ran into Chuck and we gave him a ride back to his apartment in Soho, and he let us hang out for a bit before the ride home almost falling asleep. (Chuck - i love the NE-RAVES stickers. thanx for making them). ALot of fun. Two other tidbits: met up with someone handing out passes for Liquid Holiday, said that they were expecting 10,000 for the new years eve at Catastrophic (?), handed out some of the fliers. Police man saying Don't push me man! + Frankie Bones=dope HARDCORE :) wballs and the t-shjirt Subject: invitation lets try again... Hi there guys! I wanted to go to a rave far from home this vacation, but I noticed that ultraworld 3 and liquid holidy are on consecutive days, during the second weekend of january. It would be kinda dumb to miss both of these I though, and then it clicked... Hey, I have an empty squashcourt/row house that is at my access. It's in baltimore, I could invite all the ne-ravers to crash there (make all the noise they wish), and hit both the raves here for a weekend. So that's my invitation to all you guys. I'd really like responses so I know if anyone will come (i know a few of you have responded already.) that's it - - - please come! ne-raves unity! digital.druid (gil) laura: if you could incorporate this into the rave-o-matic for a week, I'd be very appreciative....thanks [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: new-years fun Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 04:54:56 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) hello, all! [oh i hate being away from school...i miss my window-basedmail handler] revelation was great! really could have done without the firedepartment and F.Bones "worship me, or be uncool" attitude. after party at layaway was really cool too, wish i could have stayed longer... to the point of the message--> i'm staying with Ciamac in Bayside, Queens until wednesday and i could really use a place to stay wed. night (or thursday day as it were, since i want to go to DISCO 2000) other desperate point of message---> anybody from NYC area going to Catistrophic? i desperately want to get down there to be with a friend of mine on newyears... if i cant get down there, who's going to the Scotto SOHO newyears rave? thanx u all very munch... pEAcE...lovE...rAvE!...touch. SHALAKO [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kesma@e5.ijs.si (Vladimir Neskovic) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 14:00:10 +0100 Subject: Happy New Year Happy New Year to the ravers from all over the world. Kesma(Macedonia(Europe)) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 13:46:16 EST Is raving a religion? It could be, but for me it's not. For me to understand the role that raving plays in my own religious practices, I have to already have a pretty good understanding of what I want a religion to be. For some, religion is lacking if it *doesn't* impose some sort of moral code on its practitioners. Not so for me. Any religion I could honestly practice has to have both spiritual- connection and community/ritual aspects. While I love the wisdom contained in the Tao Te Ching, I doubt I could make it my religion because it is practiced in solitude. But the spiritual-connection of Christianity also lacked for me because it didn't leave enough room for me to discover all the gods within and without -- it presented (to me) a prepackaged commodified god through which I was to filter my own spiritual experiences, discarding as false whatever didn't fit their model. So where does raving fit into all this? First, it provides me with a place where I'm very open to connection with spiritual entities. At raves, I have experienced everything from past-life regressions to warm embraces by universal tribal elders. Someone once described this sort of thing as losing touch with where you end and everything else begins. I've gone far enough that "I" and the universe are really one and the same. I could not do this if I didn't already have conscious contact with some sort of higher existence. Nor could I do this if I didn't have the added energy of everyone around me at the rave. I need the community for this. (Etheric auras, perhaps?) The problem here is that I have no way of knowing if anyone else at a rave experiences this or not, unless they tell me. If it was implicit to me that they did, then maybe I could call raving a religion. Since it isn't, all I can really say is that raving is one of the vehicles by which I practice my religion, your mileage may vary. > >One thing I don't understand is that ecstatic mystical/spiritual > >expression. I am assuming that you are referring to the dancing > >and the 'vibe' that exists at a rave. I get a high (a sense of > >spirituality if you will) at a rave. However, I get a high from > >a lot of other places in everyday life. For me, this goes back to the solitude versus community thing. I can get in touch with "the gods" any time I want to. I do this in my daily meditation. But there is a qualitative difference between that and what I feel when I have the rest of the raving community around me. Alone, my communion with "the gods" is much more of a one-on-one thing. In a community, I'm much more aware of my place(s) in the universe(s), and more importantly, I get positive feedback on how the universe sees *me*. Now, what's missing here is one-on-one human spiritual advising. I am very lucky in that I have a very good spiritual adviser who helps me understand what I experience -- both the true and the false. So what of the "shaman" that's so often mentioned in connection with raving? I'm with those who do *not* see the DJ as the shaman. I certainly don't feel like one when I'm DJing. Rather than leading, I try to follow the vibe of the crowd. Instead, I see a few ravers as simply having a better understanding of what's really happening here than the rest of the crowd. (The Imaginal Rave piece was *very* shamanistic in its content.) I also see a few ravers as having charisma and leader- ship qualities -- not a will to power, but a gift for getting things done smoothly, along with an inherent desire to share what they know. Where these two groups overlap is where you'll find your shaman. > >>Collectively, we acknowldege the *it* I'm referring to as THE VIBE. > > > >Is this like the FORCE? <- A Joke! Just a joke. > > Actually, YES. It is a bit like the Force. I just barely made the > connection this second. The Force is a really good model for what I'd like in an organized religion: 1. The Force itself is not an anthropomorphic deity. It does not rule by fear of the consequences of disobedience. 2. Jedi training provides ritual and discipline; Jedi Knights do not work in a "vacuum". 3. The Jedi Knights are a community into which anyone willing to undergo the training is welcome. There is also a larger com- unity of those who desire the training but are not yet ready. 4. Jedi Masters do not claim to have knowledge about The Force that others cannot have, but they can pass knowledge to trainees in ways others cannot. 5. Rather than imposing arbitrary rules on its practitioners, The Force demonstrates that adherence to certain principles makes it more effective, and that it can also be abused. 6. The Force is not commodified or rationalized (I wouldn't want religion or spirituality if rational thought could handle any- thing I'll ever encounter). > >I still don't understand what you call the VIBE. Friendship? Happiness? The vibe is what you're getting when for no apparent reason you are so overcome with joy that you feel tears welling up, and you sense that others around you are feeling the same thing. It's friendship, happi- ness, love and then some. -Ed +djSLiP+ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 13:46:16 EST Is raving a religion? It could be, but for me it's not. For me to understand the role that raving plays in my own religious practices, I have to already have a pretty good understanding of what I want a religion to be. For some, religion is lacking if it *doesn't* impose some sort of moral code on its practitioners. Not so for me. Any religion I could honestly practice has to have both spiritual- connection and community/ritual aspects. While I love the wisdom contained in the Tao Te Ching, I doubt I could make it my religion because it is practiced in solitude. But the spiritual-connection of Christianity also lacked for me because it didn't leave enough room for me to discover all the gods within and without -- it presented (to me) a prepackaged commodified god through which I was to filter my own spiritual experiences, discarding as false whatever didn't fit their model. So where does raving fit into all this? First, it provides me with a place where I'm very open to connection with spiritual entities. At raves, I have experienced everything from past-life regressions to warm embraces by universal tribal elders. Someone once described this sort of thing as losing touch with where you end and everything else begins. I've gone far enough that "I" and the universe are really one and the same. I could not do this if I didn't already have conscious contact with some sort of higher existence. Nor could I do this if I didn't have the added energy of everyone around me at the rave. I need the community for this. (Etheric auras, perhaps?) The problem here is that I have no way of knowing if anyone else at a rave experiences this or not, unless they tell me. If it was implicit to me that they did, then maybe I could call raving a religion. Since it isn't, all I can really say is that raving is one of the vehicles by which I practice my religion, your mileage may vary. > >One thing I don't understand is that ecstatic mystical/spiritual > >expression. I am assuming that you are referring to the dancing > >and the 'vibe' that exists at a rave. I get a high (a sense of > >spirituality if you will) at a rave. However, I get a high from > >a lot of other places in everyday life. For me, this goes back to the solitude versus community thing. I can get in touch with "the gods" any time I want to. I do this in my daily meditation. But there is a qualitative difference between that and what I feel when I have the rest of the raving community around me. Alone, my communion with "the gods" is much more of a one-on-one thing. In a community, I'm much more aware of my place(s) in the universe(s), and more importantly, I get positive feedback on how the universe sees *me*. Now, what's missing here is one-on-one human spiritual advising. I am very lucky in that I have a very good spiritual adviser who helps me understand what I experience -- both the true and the false. So what of the "shaman" that's so often mentioned in connection with raving? I'm with those who do *not* see the DJ as the shaman. I certainly don't feel like one when I'm DJing. Rather than leading, I try to follow the vibe of the crowd. Instead, I see a few ravers as simply having a better understanding of what's really happening here than the rest of the crowd. (The Imaginal Rave piece was *very* shamanistic in its content.) I also see a few ravers as having charisma and leader- ship qualities -- not a will to power, but a gift for getting things done smoothly, along with an inherent desire to share what they know. Where these two groups overlap is where you'll find your shaman. > >>Collectively, we acknowldege the *it* I'm referring to as THE VIBE. > > > >Is this like the FORCE? <- A Joke! Just a joke. > > Actually, YES. It is a bit like the Force. I just barely made the > connection this second. The Force is a really good model for what I'd like in an organized religion: 1. The Force itself is not an anthropomorphic deity. It does not rule by fear of the consequences of disobedience. 2. Jedi training provides ritual and discipline; Jedi Knights do not work in a "vacuum". 3. The Jedi Knights are a community into which anyone willing to undergo the training is welcome. There is also a larger com- unity of those who desire the training but are not yet ready. 4. Jedi Masters do not claim to have knowledge about The Force that others cannot have, but they can pass knowledge to trainees in ways others cannot. 5. Rather than imposing arbitrary rules on its practitioners, The Force demonstrates that adherence to certain principles makes it more effective, and that it can also be abused. 6. The Force is not commodified or rationalized (I wouldn't want religion or spirituality if rational thought could handle any- thing I'll ever encounter). > >I still don't understand what you call the VIBE. Friendship? Happiness? The vibe is what you're getting when for no apparent reason you are so overcome with joy that you feel tears welling up, and you sense that others around you are feeling the same thing. It's friendship, happi- ness, love and then some. -Ed +djSLiP+ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 12:06:43 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Just a thought... If enough people saw raving as a religion, could we prevent the shutting down of raves as an infringement on our rights of religious expression? :):):) Happy New Year all! Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:15:30 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: stickers and shirts Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 15:16:32 EST so thanks to all who have sent me money for stickers and shirts. Stickers went in the mail today and shirts will be ordered when i get about 12(10 to go) orders(min). So if anybody still wants stickers or a shirt. (Plenty of stickers left!) It's $5 for 20 stickers and $10 for a shirt. send a check to: Chuck Fletcher 26 Prince St. #1c NY, NY 10012 Stickers will be mailed immediately! P.S. revelation rocked! Dante is one of the most positive forces in this community today! revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 12:22:07 PST From: geoffw%nexsys@igc.apc.org (Geoff White) Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion > Just a thought... > If enough people saw raving as a religion, could we prevent the shutting > down of raves as an infringement on our rights of religious expression? > > :):):) > > Happy New Year all! > > Brian > Religion and spirituality are two different things. I don't think I ever want raving to become a "religion", at least the way that I define religion. Besides, they can't really shut down raves at least not forever. The problem with religions is that they are generally hierarchical and then the opression/repression/war/persecution cycle is entered into once again. We need to try to break the pattern this time. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:48:14 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion On Tue, 29-Dec-1992, bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) said: > If enough people saw raving as a religion, could we prevent the shutting > down of raves as an infringement on our rights of religious expression? > :):):) you laugh, but what the Hell... If people can form a corporation (to be disolved in the event of a raveRaid) then why can't we start a religion... we have all we need for an official religion: funny hats disturbing tunes official beverages rituals more funny hats tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu Subject: why do I get mail from here? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:01:09 EST who is ComeUniverse%nexsys@apc.org ? I am not complaining.... just wanted to know how I am getting this interesting mail. ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu Subject: why do I get mail from here? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:01:09 EST who is ComeUniverse%nexsys@apc.org ? I am not complaining.... just wanted to know how I am getting this interesting mail. ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 14:47:28 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: The Virtual Rave - alive and kicking! Thanks to an incredible amount of work by Craig Kanarick (cmk@media-lab. mit.edu) the virtual rave at haas is new and improved with a TON of features - such as a "chillout channel" (among other "theme" channels). I'm still having trouble with port #7283 (and it probably won't get fixed until the sysadmin comes back from vacation, i.e. next week!) so for now it's at haas.berkeley.edu at port 7282. To get there, type "telnet haas.berkeley.edu 7282" and from there on it should be clear. As soon as 7283 becomes available again I'll move it there (gee, isn't this just a bit like one rave site getting busted, and moving it to the next one, etc.. :) See you all there! Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:00:39 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu (Frederick W. 747-2933) Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion to quote: On Tue, 29-Dec-1992, bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B)) sa id: > If enough people saw raving as a religion, could we prevent the shutting > down of raves as an infringement on our rights of religious expression? > :):):) you laugh, but what the Hell... If people can form a corporation (to be disolved in the event of a raveRaid) then why can't we start a religion... I think all you need is $35 and the will to do it maybe we can get Billy Graham to do a set ;-) - fred wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: yanek@novavax.nova.edu (Yanek Martinson) Subject: ComeUniverse%nexsys@apc.org Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:01:43 EDT > who is ComeUniverse%nexsys@apc.org ? > > I am not complaining.... just wanted to know how I am getting > this interesting mail. It might be a gateway for a mailning list. It might be something else... Forward some of the messages you received, together with headers, and I can probably figure out where they were sent to. -- Yanek Martinson mthvax.cs.miami.edu!safe0!yanek uunet!medexam!yanek this address preferred -->> yanek@novavax.nova.edu <<-- this address preferred Phone (305) 765-6300 daytime FAX: (305) 765-6708 1321 N 65 Way/Hollywood (305) 963-1931 evenings (305) 981-9812 Florida, 33024-5819 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:37:50 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: RE: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Sure, Ed. . dz [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:07:06 -0800 From: geoffw@carlyle.com (Geoff White) Subject: ComeUniverse Brothers & Sisters, ComeUniverse is my personal alias for just about every rave e-mail list on the PLANET! PLEASE don't post questions or idle chit-chat as it goes to maye 1000 people WORLD-WIDE. If you have any questions please address them to me geoffw@nexsys.net or to umt@nexsys.net Keep it Alive. geoffw [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: yanek@novavax.nova.edu (Yanek Martinson) Subject: ComeUniverse at NexSys Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:31:11 EDT I found out it's just an alias for the raves mailing lists. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 00:36:00 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: anyone? Sorry to waste space but does anyone know the voice number where I can reach Mars (from LeHigh)?????? HELP ME! =) - FlUiD tHe RaVeR wItHoUt A rIdE tO cAtAsTrOpHiC !!! brit@brahms.udel.edu (302) 234-9596 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 30 Dec 1992 01:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: DJESRANI%COLGATEU.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: ... Hey all. Happy new year! I've been toying with the idea of going to Zodiac in Philly on the 1st of Jan (Friday). Is anyone here going? Does anyone know anything about the organization hosting it? Thanks.. djesrani@center.colgate.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: HELP!! ride to DC needed... Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 04:46:01 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) hello raverz- i REALLY need to get down to DC for CATASTROPHIC, and i'm looking for alternatives to the bus. i really would like to be with the love of my life on new years' at CATASTROPHIC, can anyone help me? please? ...i think i'm going to Disco 2000 wed night at the limelight... pEAcE...lovE...rAvE! SHALAKO thanx u sooooo munch, i love you all... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 08:27:24 EST Subject: HNY... Happy New Year everybody.....weeeee! Peace, TAREQ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 08:27:24 EST Subject: HNY... Happy New Year everybody.....weeeee! Peace, TAREQ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:58 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: online magazines >Hey, I don't mind if you guys upload full text of magazines, but please >could you send them to an FTP site rather than send the whole thing >to my mailbox? Just say "I put the full text of to >. Thanks > >digital.druid I can't access ftp sites from my mail system, so I appreciate getting the 'zines in my Mailbox. I couldn't get them any other way. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 10:04:31 -0800 From: "Niels P. Mayer" > Just a thought... > If enough people saw raving as a religion, could we prevent the shutting > down of raves as an infringement on our rights of religious expression? I dunno. Remember that court case where American indians wanted to be able to use Peyote legally -- it is a religious sacrement for some tribes. Well, they lost.... Wanna hear a joke? "One nation under god ... with liberty and justice for all" Har Har Har Har Har! Just make sure you've chosen the right god or you get fisted by the long arm of the law. -- Niels Mayer. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 30 Dec 92 13:23:56 EDT From: CYBRID Subject: Re: Raving Spirituality / Rave <--> Religion > Wanna hear a joke? > "One nation under god ... with liberty and justice for all" > Har Har Har Har Har! Just make sure you've chosen the right god or you > get fisted by the long arm of the law. hee..hee..ha..ha... Great joke ! But old. Besides, no matter which diety(s) you worship, be it God Almighty, Allah or The Technopagan Priestess you are still fair game for the ole long arm of the law. Remember the Inqusition ? Lotsa pain and lotsa death, for a long long time. Force fed religion is as old as religion itself. "WE'RE GONNA SAVE YOU, HEATHEN, WHETHER YOU WANT TO BE SAVED OR NOT !" Peace.Choice.Zulus.Techno. Golden Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:03:10 -0500 From: Todd Tibbetts Subject: =={ NOVA, RI }== Howdy Folks: Bizzare occurances in my life have caused my plans to change drasticly. Originally I was heading to DC for Cat-O-strophic, now it turns out I will be in R.I. Are there any other ne-ravers who will be there?? I know there was talk of it by some. The list is erie and quiet now, so those who are going to R.I. may not be logged on... I will be leaving tomarrow about noon!!! See ya there and Happy Gnu Ear !! ============================================================================ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] ============================================================================ "We will...have to recognize that the transformation of consciousness and personality, whether by yoga or LSD, is basically a religious problem... By now we should have learned that prohibition simply passes control [of such substances] to criminals and incompetent manufacturers, and their use is forced into clandestine circumstances where the psychiatrist and the minister cannot even be asked to advise." Alan Watts In The New Republic ============================================================================ tt _________________________________________________________________ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rocky Hill, CT tibbetts@hsi.com the unplastic news tt@mindvox.phantom.com odd Net e-zine ttibbett@nyx.cs.du.edu ftp ftp.eff.org/pub/journals _________________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:11:53 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: new year's debo, onionz, and dante will all be spinning at both nasa in new york and catastrophic in DC. early set in NYC, morning sets in DC. i might even go with them (two free raves- how can i say no?) -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english why waste your time? @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 19:01:06 -0500 From: revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: need more fl-raves help! Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 19:00:06 EST >The address you gave me for fl-raves came back host >unknown. >It was fl-raves@cybernet.cse.fau.edu, right? Apparantly the >only >thing wrong is fl-raves because the message was recieved by >the >domain. It also said mail could not be delivered to phillips >ted: >tysons:bah, whataver that means. Do you have another host >address >for fl-raves? >pEaCe > ryan can any body help? revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 17:50:01 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: happy new year happiest of happiest new years even though it/s arbitrary, i really suck up to the clean slate mentality. if you/re in ny. i/m going to giant step tonight with dj smash and his live jazz band at metropolis (union square 12am) hope to see some of ya. i/ll be wearing a white shirt, black pants, baseball cap, and have copies of ViZine peace pat To: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: yanek@novavax.nova.edu (Yanek Martinson) Subject: fl-raves bounce Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 22:50:00 EDT > >It was fl-raves@cybernet.cse.fau.edu, right? Apparantly the only > >thing wrong is fl-raves because the message was recieved by the > >domain. It also said mail could not be delivered to phillips ted: > >tysons:bah, whataver that means. Do you have another host address > >for fl-raves? > can any body help? I just checked it with smtp, fl-raves is a valid mail address at cybernet.cse.fau.edu, and expands to the mailing list. So your message went just fine to everyone on the list, EXCEPT those that were mentioned in the message you got back. Don't worry, this is normal for most mailing lists. For the number of people on the list, at least one or two will have undeliverable addresses.. Forward the error message to the -request address, and the person in charge of that list will either correct those addresses, or take them off the list. Here's the list: Connected to cybernet.cse.fau.edu. 220 cybernet.cse.fau.edu 5.65c/IDA-1.4.2 Sendmail is ready at Wed, 30 Dec 1992 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250-<"| /waffle/bin/mailin rev"> 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is the one address that the message could not be delivered to. I just checked, .niaid.nih.gov is a valid domain, but tysons.bah.pc seems to be a machine on an internal net, not able to connect from from outside. Steve (admin of fl-raves list), you can contact: National Institutes of Health (NIH-DOM) National Library of Medicine 8600 Rockville Pike Bethesda, MD 20894 Domain Name: NIH.GOV Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Aronson, Jules P. (JA1) ARONSON@MCS.NLM.NIH.GOV (301) 496-9300 (ALT) (FTS) 496-9300 And ask how to reach Ted Phillips by e-mail, and then correct the address in your list. Most likely the answer will be phillips_ted@some.gateway.niaid.nih.gov, which will forward mail to tysons.bah.pc. Or if you don't want to bother, you can just take phillips_ted off the list. But you should do something about it, otherwise everyone that posts a message to your list, will get a bounce back. 250- 250- 250- 250- 250- 250-<"| /waffle/bin/mailin kellyd"> 250 -- Yanek Martinson mthvax.cs.miami.edu!safe0!yanek uunet!medexam!yanek this address preferred -->> yanek@novavax.nova.edu <<-- this address preferred Phone (305) 765-6300 daytime FAX: (305) 765-6708 1321 N 65 Way/Hollywood (305) 963-1931 evenings (305) 981-9812 Florida, 33024-5819 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:26:12 -0500 From: Digital Druid W o n d e r l a n d ' s: a gathering of the vibes January 30, 1993 10:00p - Sunrise Coming to you at the beginning of a new year, a gathering dedicated to those who know and those who are willing to learn. Let your soul be guided bt the power of a smile, the tranquility of love, and the enery of a happy crowd. Abandon the realm of reality and enter a world...one beyond that of simple imagination...WONDERLAND. DJ's on the noight providing NEW ENGLAND with a NEW SOUND for the NEW YEAR: Jeno - SanFrancisco's Finest Dante - Evolution, New York Debo - Boston Onionz - Evolution, Lay Away New York Jason Jinx - Limelight, Nasa New York Overload - Maine presale tickets $13 tickets day of $15 Available At: *The Other Side Cafe (boston) - (617)536-9477 (contact simon) *Allston Beat(boston) - (617)421-9555 *Boston Beat(boston) - (617)561-4790 *Luna Sea(providence) - (401)272-5862 *John(new york) - (909)826-8869 *Modern Music(baltimore) - (410)523-1882 *Zootz(portland) - (207)773-8187 *Bad Habits(portland) - (207)773-1310 Information and Bussing Hotline: (617)629-0777 10,000 watts of Booming Bass Strand Sound Rainbow Color and Entrancing Visuals by Pandemonium Smart Juice and Tea Party by Liquid Fusion $2 off each ticket will go directly towards Special Olympics Special Thanks To: The Entire Blue crew Evolution Lay Away Tom Casey and the Sunrise Gang Debo Nocturnal Sunshine Groover Posse Eric, Steve, Mark, Simon, Duke non-alcoholic event [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 16:11:16 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: NOVA or NEW YORK can anyone give me up-to-date information about what is going to go on tonight in NEW YORK or NOVA in providence. FOR NEW YORK: How many tickets have been sold, and do you think they will sell out? FOR PROVIDENCE: Who is going and what do you think of the line up? Still unsure where we will go. If you could reply before 18:00:00 would be appreciated. thanks. doug ))))) a boomingg bass for a loving race ((((( [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:42:08 -0500 Subject: Re: NOVA or NEW YORK (just in the nick of time.... :)) i'm going to NOVA cuz it's closer. mayhem and tim ryan are cool. you've heard the rage over Osheen (3 turntables) from john and laura. the others i'm not sure about. to sum up... it's gonna be COOL! :) (now, of course if i was camper, i'd be going somewhere else for free... ;) happy NEW year ! donato [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 31 Dec 92 17:59:49 EST From: rYaN <74200.674@CompuServe.COM> Subject: U1S- Requesting reviews Does anyone on here have access to U1S hot off the presses or better yet is there anyone affiliated with it or anyone from Groove Records or Planet X on here? If you are, would you please be so kind as to post reviews of new releases on here so those of us that are unfortunate enough to be 5-7 mail days away from New York can get more up to date reviews? Then if we want to call Groove or Planet X to order something we will be up to date on what records to buy. For those not in the know: Under One Sky: (718)646-8077 Groove Records: (718)714-5232 Planet X: (908)249-0304 fax (908)249-0064 Does anyone know if any of these places have e-mail addresses? I would greatly appreciate any replies. peace rYaN Distribution: internet: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:28:28 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: NOVA or NEW YORK REPLY TO 12/31/92 13:29 FROM DZ5401A@american.edu "Douglas B. Zimmerman": NOVA or NEW YORK i/m going to the ny thing with dimitri. i/ll be wearing a big cat in the hat thingy, black shirt with 2 white stripes on the left arm and electric blue pants and i/ll be with two people on mushrooms. pat To: DZ5401A@american.edu cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] ** End of Ne-Raves Digest **