Ne-Raves Digest Volume 1, Issue 6A, for Novemeber, 1992 NOTE: November's Digest is in TWO parts, Due to a machine change. Editor's note: I will no longer be placing the subjects of all the messages at the start of the archives. There is just WAY too much traffic to do this anymore. -- jna [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 10:32:06 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Radio Babylon) Subject: list problems test message, please ignore -- if you see it then things are back to normal sorry for the inconvenience -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 10:32 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: possible REPOST: Milwaukee rave BUSTED Milwaukee Journal - 2 NOV 1992 - Page A1 (Leader) 'Rave' party raid (Headline) $300,000 fines possible for party planners (Sub-header) More than 900 who attended Halloween bash fined $325 (Byline) By ANNE BOTHWELL of The Journal staff Four people arrested for organizing a massive "rave" party were expected to meet with representatives from the city attorney's office Monday to discuss their case. About 900 people received $325 citations at the party in a warehouse at 710 W. Virginia St. on Sunday morning. The citations were issued for aiding and abetting a person in charge of an unlicensed public place, and permitting consumption of an alcoholic beverage. The four organizers, who are being held in the City Jail, each face fines of $325 times the number of people cited at the party - as much as $300,000 apiece. The main organizers are believed to be a 30-year-old man from West Bend, who was arrested at XLC Hair salon, 830 N. Plankington Ave., and a 23-year-old man from Madison, arrested at the party. Also arrested were two women - a 26-year-old from Bloomington, Minn., and a 19-year-old from Minneapolis - who are believed to be assistants to the two men. Also Monday, the city attorney's office was to consider whether to cite security guards hired by the organizers for their role at the party. What was supposed to be the party of the season for almost 1,000 people hoping for a clandestine Halloween costume party turned into the biggest raid in Milwaukee history Sunday morning. The raid came after months of surveillance and undercover work, police said. Undercover police who attended a rave party two weeks ago estimated the crowd there at somewhere between 800 and 1,500. Sunday's party featured faucets that poured out Kool-Aid, Halloween decorations, throbbing music and a light show. "Smart drinks" - mixtures of amino acids and other natural ingredients, usually in a fruit juice base - were served for $3 a glass. Touted as energy enhancers or mind clarifiers, the drinks' powers are debatable. Before 5:30 p.m. Saturday, a taped message on a special rave hot line was telling callers that party information would be given after 5:30 p.m. The message also billed the evening as a "Grave," and promised "oogly googly phantasmagoric" fun and frights. After 5:30 p.m., the answering machine message gave instructions to the "map point" - XLC Hair salon. The taped message warned partygoers not to form a line in front of the salon, or the map point would be closed down. Ravers also were told they would have to produce identification at the map point and at the rave. They would be searched for weapons at the party site, and gang colors would not be allowed. "This is a peaceful rave," the message ended. "Peace, love and we're gonna Grave your world." Despite the message's warning, by 10:30 p.m., a huge line stretched down Plankington. Around 11 p.m., the salon opened, and a security guard let partygoers inside, in groups of six to eight at a time. In return for showing identification and handing over $10, participants got a bright red ticket with black and gold lettering, and a white sheet of paper with directions to the party, police said. An officer stood in line and purchased a ticket. Then he and others testified before Judge Jeffrey Wagner, who issued search warrants for both the party site and the map point. Between 75 and 80 police officers simultaneously descended on both locations. At the hair salon, proceeds and tickets were confiscated. Inside the warehouse, police turned off the music, turned on the lights and began separating people into groups. Boys on one side of the room, girls on another. People without identification, and people from out of town were separated further. Most of the men were handcuffed with plastic flexi-cuffs. Most of the women were not, said Anita, an 18-year-old woman who was among those cited. Police found people from Illinois, Minnesota, and New Hampshire. Charter buses brought loads of partygoers from Madison. All received $325 citations. Almost all the partygoers were well-mannered and cooperative, Capt. Donald Domagalski said. Those who weren't were immediately lead outside into police wagons. Police confiscated alcoholic beverages, along with more than a half-pound of marijuana, 44 marijuana pipes, 81 small cylinders of nitrous oxide (laughing gas), assorted pills and admission tickets. There was less alcohol on the premises than police expected. None was being sold. ------------------------- Raving was killed in England by the authorities...we can't let that happen in this country. I've seen an outdoor rave busted by cops (Catastrophic under the 14th street bridge in DC), but no attendees were arrested, and I don't think they were too rough on the producers, but I'll admit I've never seen that many beer bottles in one place at one time. And at Raves R' Us in DC, there were a couple of cop cars checking it out, but they gave up. However, this kind of precedent cannot stand. I think it is important that we consider a nationwide response on this subject. Tactically, this can take the form of a legal defense fund for the Milwaukee promoters and a mass suit against the police, since clearly no alcohol was being sold at the event, and the attendees were arrested for abbetting the illegal sale of alcohol, as well as pouring in letters to editors of Milwaukee newspapers. Strategically, we need to consider the nationwide legal defense of raving. -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 10:59:18 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Night Of The Living Baseheads) Subject: NE-Raves bouncing, problems, other things... If you've been having problems sending mail to the list in the past two days, it's due to a number of problems.. First off, Silver died unexpectedly yesterday morning. Now, this morning, The archive was all full up, and its permissions were set all awry... Everything's fine now. Sorry once again. The archives are being moved off site to a machine at the media-lab at mit and will be available for public FTP access. (more on this when I'm done moving them around) thanks! -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 16:02 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Masquerade DC [[ Been trying to send this, let's hope this one makes it! ]] I think I'll put in my $0.02 as well... That pre-rave part at phred's was fun... his laser setup was really cool. It was nice to meet people before going over so you can have people to talk to and dance with while you're there. I definitely have to agree with the earlier comment about the "portal" between the hardcord (large) dancefloor and the ambient (smaller) area. The door was TOO DAMN SMALL. At least they had some sort of arbitration going so one side would go and then the other. Still, they should have put up ropes or board rails so one side was always IN and one side was always OUT. But enough about the bad things... the high-powered lasers were very nice. They put up a mesh scrim in the middle of the hardcore floor that the lasers shined on to make patterns. I agree with the previous post about more interesting shapes.. they only did lines and waves. It would have been cool to spell stuff out like the DJ names or pumpkins or something. The drink prices were very affordable. 'nuff said. I didn't spend *too* long in the hardcore room because it was getting really hot, but the music was decent. The sound quality was above average also. I still could have done with a little more on the low end. The ambient room was very nice also. They had 6 intellibeams doing really cool patterns to some GREAT tribal/trance. The first two DJs (sorry, I don't know the DJs enough to recognize them by name) seemed to have a problem with the records skipping and screwing up the beat. The 3rd DJ (a girl, I assume it was Suzy Cyclone?) didn't seem to have a problem. She spun fabulous stuff too. The location wasn't bad, and there seemed to be enough parking. We arrived at 11:00pm, and parked a block away. I would have liked to have seen security all the way out to the corner of the main street. Well, that's it for now. I'm really sorry I don't know all of the DJ names but I'm sure I'll learn them the more I attend. It would have been nice to have had a DJ list in the order they were spinning so I could keep track. I'm looking forward to coming up north to some raves up there in NY and NJ! +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | |\/\/\/| | | | | Eric McCormick | | | | | | | (o)(o) 0004775674@mcimail.com | | C _) | | | ,___| | | | / "Improving life through perfect code." | | /____\ "Rave on, Man!" | | / \ | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ --------------------------------- End forwarded message --------------------------------- End forwarded message [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 12:19:21 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Thoughtforms) Subject: Ne-Raves on FTP! finally! For those of you with access to FTP at your machines, back issues of Ne-Raves are available in a digested, montly format on media.mit.edu in the directory pub/ne-raves/backissues and pub/ne-raves/incoming I've got everything from when the list first started in May till now stored in there. Any problems, send me mail. thanks to ciamac@victoria.media.mit.edu for setting up the site for us. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 12:25 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue nov 3 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. DEAD by DAWN would like to thank all the East Coast Ravers for attending WONKA 2 in Philadelphia on 10/23. We Share your disappointment in its premature demise. To make up for this, DEAD by DAWN will be bringing you a discount rave in the near future. Leave your name and address on our 24 hour line to receive your discount pass. DEAD by DAWN 215.552.8833 Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Tuesday, November 3 TRANCE-FORMATION Washington, DC (202) - 457 - 8181 New DC Club ------------ Every Tuesday: TRANCE-FORMATION 100% Hardcore Techno Under 21 $7.50 Over 21 $5.00 Starting 9:00 PM Threatening Hardcore by Demigod Lars Volz Ian Christopher DJ EQ DJ Frantik 2100 M St., NW (202) 457-8181 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 6 AMANA MICRO RAVE North Easton, MA (508) - 238 - 8360 a mind altering nocturnal affair AMANA the micro rave techno-it cooks from the inside out! (back side) AMANA a radarange production dj spice (boston) visual-whirlpool lighting-general energhetic the electric glow dancers smart barand full bar till 2. friday, november6 doors open at 10PM [club closes are 2 am -- don't know if they're staying open later illegally or with permits or what] location: the former lepages (now called mickey finn's) 708 Washinton St. N. Easton, Ma direction: from rt 24 N or S exit 16B to rt 106W at 2nd light right on 138N amana 2 miles on right across from tanner ford advanced tickets $4 available at springers-rt. 18 e. bridgewater night of tix-$6 with this flyer-$5 infoline (508) 238-8360 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 FLUID New York City (516) - 862 - 7907 This Groove Is Universal Sounds of the future by: Frankie Bones Jimmy Crash James Christian Heather Heather Space Ace Saturday, November 7, 11pm - 7am Purchase tickets in advance to ensure entry. Southern State to exit 35 (Wellwood ave,), after exiting, make a left and go to the first light and make a right on to Edison Ave, go several blocks until you reach Dale St, make a left 80a Dale St. Call (516) - 862 - 7907 for more info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 [??] Muncie, IN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Article 4008 in alt.rave: exel@netcom.com (Frederick Myers) Subject: Muncie IN rave.. Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 18:17:37 GMT Lines: 3 rave on Nov7 in Muncie IN (home of the ever silly Ball State). need info, contact me at mondays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 TUNE INN New Haven, CT (203) - 772 - 4310 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] TUNE INN - techno till dawn -- alcohol free - smart drinks -- every sat -- 29 Center St NEw Haven -- 203-772-4310 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, November 8 SUNDAY SKOOL Chicago (312) - 509 - 2918 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Article 3634 of alt.rave: Newsgroups: alt.rave Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!uchinews!quads!disc From: disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud) Subject: Re: Sunday School in Chicago Message-ID: <1992Oct16.062720.25880@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Reply-To: disc@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: Something fatal. References: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:27:20 GMT The truth on Sunday Skool: Chicago's saving grace. It will be really good. The best DJs. It's half James Johnson's brainchild, actually. No South-Side gang-bangers. They'll all be screened out at the door. 100% hardcore ravers. For all who haven't heard about this, it's the following: Sunday Skool DJs Miles Maeda/James Johnson Every Sunday starting at 8PM 112 N. Green Street in Chicago 17+ with ID Info: 312-509-2918 I'll be there...it'll be fun as hell. =Jerry Dischler=|Little Fluffy Cloud|=disc@quads.uchicago.edu= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 POWER-RAVE 92 Pittsburgh, PA (412) - 621 - 7759 Turbo Zen Records Presents P O W E R R A V E 9 2 Friday, November 13, 1992 -- 11 PM to 5 AM $8 Advance Tickets -- $10 at the Door Tickets Available at: Turbo Zen Records / 128 Oakland Ave. / 3rd Floor 412-621-7759 INFO-LINE 412-213-3001 FAX FOR YOU PLEASURE * Multi-flavored Smart Bar * Phree 3-D LaserRave glasses with every advance purchase! * Conciousness altering visual-spacial environment manipulation * Special treets and toyz for the good girls and boys! * Tuff bass ballistics to put the boom in yer juice! * Candyloop ravewear by React * 100% Extra-sweetend vibe 1) Richie Hawtin (Plus 8 Records / Detroit) 2) Adam X -- Heather Heather (Storm Underground / NYC) 3) Rob Sherwood (Underground News / Cleveland) 4) DJ Deadly Buda -- dieselBoy -- Kris Kersey (Turbo Zen Records / Pittsburgh) Performing LIVE! F.U.S.E. (and) Cybersonik Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania // Complete Mental Breakdown EXTRA: Maps available at Turbo Zen records or by calling info-line. No alcohol & no attitude Rave Site: Ardmore Roller Palace, 2400 Ardmore Blvd, East Pittsburgh Brought to you by the kind folks at TeeZee collective Sooper React Storm Rave Plus 8 Records Baba Klub TZ Records Under One Sky Fabulous Records Underground News ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 DEF CON ONE Washington, DC. (201) - 638 - 3272 DEF CON ONE 1 Fryday the 13th November Washington, DC Do you feel lucky? Defcon 1 Fryday the 13th of Novemeber.... 10pm - 8 am 13 in advance 15 on the day purchase from Music Now 806 F Street NW D.C. (202) 638-3272 for tickets, info, Bus Trip info... They'll be having a Jolt Bar (just Jolt soda) and a Smart Bar featuring Fierce Ruling Diva (Whipped Kream, Rub it in, & You Gotta Believe) djs... Doc Martin (West Coast) & Frankie Bones (East Coast) Keoki - Limelight Destructo - from L.A. Scott Henry - Catastrophic Liven DeGeyndt - owner of Music Now/dj Dave Trance - from Long Island Micro - from Long Island Bobble & Suze Cyclone - Atomic Bass and JP - D.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 LIFE Worcester, MA (617) - 266 - 1987 nov 14-warehouse rave in boston 80,000 watts smart bar etc. DJ's ---- debo (boston / venus / axis) dante (new york / NASA / storm / thunderground) micro (long island / caffiene / thunderground) wink (philadelphia) dave the wave (new haven / bar) repete (new york / limelight) scott henry (washington dc) mac dehay(belgium) tim ryan (boston / venus / HMV records) mr. cleen (new york / primal) dave trance (long island) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 PUNCH Nashville, TN (615) - 780 - 3730 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] PUNCH (as in "how about a nice Hawaiian...") which will be held on November 14, 1992, starting at 10pm. The location will be in a warehouse (not a nightclub like all the past Nashville raves), and we are expecting around 1200 people. For exact location and directions, ravers should call 615-780-3730. Long-sleeve 100% cotton XL t-shirts with the PUNCH logo in 4 colors on both sides will be available for $18 around November 1st, if anyone is interested. I (Laura) found a flyer for PUNCH on alt.rave. I was a bit weirded out to see that it copies parts of the POWER-RAVE flyer. Can't people be a little more individual? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Article 4059 (20 more) in alt.rave: From: moorewd@wkuvx1.bitnet (Hallucin-8) Subject: Re: raves in Kentucky Date: 29 Oct 92 04:35:46 CST Organization: Korova WHQ Lines: 40 PUNCH - coming live with the jive - saturday novermber 14 10pm - 6am * 18+ to enter call for directions: 615-780-3730 for your pleasure: multiflavored smart bar, free h2o consciousness-altering visual-spatial environment manipulation special treets and toyz for good girls and boys tuff bass ballistics to put the boom in your juice 100% extra-sweetened vibe admission $12/$10 with invite or out of town ID presented by anode ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 Nashville, TN I heard on alt.rave that there will be a rave in Nashville on this day. Moby will be performing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 [name?] Portland, ME Camper says: superdooper news! the next rave in portland, maine run by the same people (mayday rave, pure, crusade) are doing it again. november 28th, i believe in the same location as crusade (a wharehouse). DJ's fantasy from england onionz from NY (god is back!) dale charles from san diego 333-mgee from boston/london mayhem that's right folks, it will be pure and simple, slap-happy lovey huggy happy techno break beaty BLISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 Return to orbit on December 5th, 1992 Satellite Productions The Inventors of SPUTNIK and SPUTNIK II PRESENTS E X P L O R E R I a new generation of satellite raves ... info line: (212) - 465 - 3299 new location within 10 miles of NYC ... (Westchester County) EXPLORER I -- Leaving the Stratosphere into the Solar System ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 12:40:25 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (think I'm going south for the winter) Subject: Updated Welcome message I thought I'd post this since there were so many changes to it.. Welcome to NE-Raves! ** SAVE THIS MESSAGE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE! ** Intro ------ NE-Raves is mainly for the discussion of Techno Music and upcoming raves in the NorthEast Area. It's intention is to give people on the East Coast a place to exchange information, like SfRaves does for the Bay Area and surrounding cities in California. Mailing and Bouncing ------------------------ To send mail to the list, address it to ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu your message will reach a distribution list here at silver and go out to over 200 people. Seeing as your message is getting sent to 200 people, there are chances that your message won't get to one or more recipients because of mailer problems or otherwise. in this case, you'll receive a bounce message. DON'T PANIC! The message has reached all the other users and will probably get to the other user(s) in a day or so. If the problem persists, send mail to ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu and we'll attempt to solve your problems. How do I get off the list once I'm On? -------------------------------------- For subscription/unsubscription problems and questions, send mail to ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu [which will foreward to me] DO NOT send subscription/unsubscription requests to the list itself. This will bother users of the list, and yourself, seeing as your request will go unanswered. Can I Get Back Issues of Ne-Raves? ---------------------------------- Back issues of Ne-Raves are stored in a digested, monthly format, on media.mit.edu in the directory pub/ne-raves/back-issues; available by anonymous FTP. The files are stored in a compressed format (using Unix's compress utility). If you need the files uncomprsses and do not have access to the uncompress utility on your machine, send me mail and I'll help you out. Techno nights at Boston Clubs: ------------------------------ You can usually find us Boston NE-Rave idiots at Venus de Milo on thursdays, and Axis on Fridays... Saturdays is techno night at the Loading Zone. Enjoy the list! -John jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 12:26 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue nov 3 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Techno Clubs (if you have more to add please let me know): Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard Baltimore -- Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) Chicago -- Sun. Sunday Skool Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Columbus -- Thurs. - Sat. 700 High Detroit -- Sat. NUDE New Jersey (Union City I think) -- Wed. The Quarry New Haven -- Sat. Bar Tune Inn New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight (dAncE EnErgY) Peace (Acid House) Insomniacs [Queens] Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] Sat. UFO Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond (215) - 592 - 8481 Pittsburgh -- Thurs. and Sun. Metropol Providence -- Sun. Club Babyhead Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn Tues. Trance-Formation Wed. Vault Thurs. Tracks Fri. Roxy Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Tuesday, November 3 TRANCE-FORMATION Washington, DC (202) - 457 - 8181 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 6 AMANA MICRO RAVE North Easton, MA (508) - 238 - 8360 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 FLUID New York City (516) - 862 - 7907 [??] Muncie, IN TUNE INN New Haven, CT (203) - 772 - 4310 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, November 8 SUNDAY SKOOL Chicago (312) - 509 - 2918 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 POWER-RAVE 92 Pittsburgh, PA (412) - 621 - 7759 DEF CON ONE Washington, DC. (201) - 638 - 3272 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 LIFE Worcester, MA (617) - 266 - 1987 PUNCH Nashville, TN (615) - 780 - 3730 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 Nashville, TN ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 [name?] Portland, ME CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 13:07:03 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Wonka 2 and Mental Unity > DEAD by DAWN would like to thank all the East Coast Ravers for attending > WONKA 2 in Philadelphia on 10/23. > > We Share your disappointment in its premature demise. Yipes! What happened? It wasn't another Milwaukee mega-bust was it? Also, I haven't seen anything here regarding Mental Unity a couple weekends ago. Did anyone go? (I almost went but I was fighting a cold...) -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 13:24 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Wonka 2 and Mental Unity As far as WONKA 2 goes all I know is what was on the flyer -- I got the flyer while wandering around the horrible NASA Halloween Party in the City. Chuck was thinking of going to Mental Unity, but I'm not sure if he made it or not. Well, he'll see the mail and report if he was there I'm sure. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 14:09:07 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: MASQUERAVE Hands down the best rave i've ever been to... Suzy Cyclone is my new goddess-when she spun "Voodoo Ray" by A Guy Called Gerald i went nuts......total goddess.... I've never seen a vibe like this one...i met at least 70 people just by going up to them and talking. In case I missed some NE-ravers, I was the one with the portable Christmas lights wrapped around my neck.... Spent more time in the secondary room than in the main one...the Hardcore made me ill....Suzy spun tunes that i haven't heard in at least three years-old house and acid...I met her after her set and also later in the evening and thought that she was definitely one of the coolest people I met. Also at the top of the totally cool list was Heather Heather(no matter if she spews bullshit, and if she can't mix, she's still one of the nicest people i've ever met). Every time she saw me she'd come up to me and say Hi or give me a hug and smile....(Revar---if you see her, send her my regards) the lights were incredible-props to Michael Meacham... Even though the doorway between the rooms was small, I don't think you can blame Catastrophic. They probably knew it was going to happen and couldn't do anything about it... My only bad experience was with a bartender( in the Lollapollooza shirt) who scoffed at my giving him 8 quarters for an Evian, and gave me the drink free(with a "Keep your fucking change") When i saw him later, i thanked him for giving me the drink free and he said "That's 'cause i wasn't taking your change, you fuck!" Dick. Otherwise, a totally incredible experience. Totally. Mike dr.slammin' [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 14:32:15 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Ne-Raves FTP Archive As John mentioned, there is now an Ne-Raves FTP archive at media.mit.edu:/pub/ne-raves. So far, the following is in it: o the ne-raves archives (/pub/ne-raves/back-issues/*) o John's welcome message (/pub/ne-raves/Welcome) o the alt.rave FAQ (/pub/ne-raves/alt.rave-FAQ.Z) o various X and LSD FAQ's (/pub/ne-raves/drugs/*) There is a writable directory for incoming stuff (/pub/ne-raves/incoming/), so send me anything you want put in the archive. Ciamac. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 14:36:55 -0500 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: Re: Wonka 2 and Mental Unity I went, got there ~1:45 a.m. only to find people streaming out and a large number of policepeople singing out " git along, li'l ravers." Considering the fact that I had come on the subway which didn't start running again until 6:30 a.m., I was what you might call very disappointed. At least I didn't have to pay only to get kicked out. Sigh, Nina. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 14:47:54 -0500 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: Re: MASQUERAVE Yep, Masquerave was nifty. Got to meet a few ne-ravers who I'd missed, due to brain memory-buffer limitations. I also liked the ambient room much better than the hardcore, mostly because the other was about 105 degrees farenheit. Amusing things from Masquerave: I'm dancing in front of two guys, when I suddenly catch part of the dialogue going on behind me -- "She is!" "No, she's not." "She is!" "She's not!" Finally, I turned around, grinned and said "no, I'm not tripping." The one who'd been insisting I was smiled amiably and said "well, if you were, you certainly know how to dance for it." Also, the couple dressed up as Thing #1 and #2 from Dr. Seuss. They looked wonderful. Unfortunately, I was there with two first-timers who conked out at about 5:30, so I had to go home. All in all, a mighty good time. Only bad point for me (besides the fact that the hardcore room was unbearably hot and dry-icy [which irritates my eyes to no end, no matter how much my brain may enjoy it]) was meeting the only rave asshole I've encountered so far, who was bugging me at Sputnik II and showed up at Masquerave. Bleahhh. Mostly, Nina. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@aludra.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: mailing list Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 12:40:15 PST I saw your address in Under One Sky. Please put me on your mailing list. My address is: wpoe@aludra.usc.edu Thanx....later. Jim :). [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 15:01 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: _UOS_ and Sputnik II (was Re: MASQUERAVE) Dr. Slammin' gives us the low-down on Catastrophic's Masquerave . . . . (Darn, it sounded *so* good. After my very surreal and stupid last weekend, I feel like I should have made the trek down there . . . .) >Also at the top of the totally cool list was Heather Heather(no matter >if she spews bullshit, and if she can't mix, she's still one of the >nicest people i've ever met). Every time she saw me she'd come up to me >and say Hi or give me a hug and smile....(Revar---if you see her, send >her my regards) Those of us who have knocked Heather's *actions* here around a bit have for the most part all met her too, and would agree that she is a very sweet nice friendly person. Believe me, her need for a bit more turntable practice and slightly fanatical tack in _Under One Sky_ doesn't make her evil -- and we all know that. She really truly loves what she does, and really believes in the rave movement. She *is* getting some turntable time, and as for _UOS_ -- well, you should have seen the first two issues. It's come a long way . . . I'm just wondering *why* she dissed Sputnik II so badly in the last _UOS_. Okay, so the people dressed as babies in the playroom does sound silly, but I didn't see that so I don't know what was going on. But the other comments, "half of the crowd was under 17" and "it was too commercial" I don't get. I didn't think that the crowd was that young, and even if they were so what? There was a lot of energy (and this was poninted out in the review) and all the kids seemed like they were having a good time and everyone pretty much behaved themselves (no crowbars in the rink, no mosh pits). And as far as being too commercial, what does *that* mean? The people selling stuff there were the same people that come to all the raves from the really small Providence Raves to the huge Storm Raves. The ticket prices for Sputnik II were lower than for the Storm Raves. There were fewer flyers handed out at Sputnik II than at Storm (based on me comparing the number of flyers I got at Storm compared to the number of flyers I got at Sputnik). As far as I can tell Sputnik II wasn't any more or less commercial than the last Storm Rave or a night at the Thunderground. I'd just like to know what by her definition (and by anyone else's) constitutes "too commercial" at a rave. I'd be especially interested in hearing from people who were at Sputnik II on this topic. There was one other comment in the _UOS_ dis of Sputnik II -- "we won't be working with them again." This wasn't explained either, but I've heard some rumors that kind of click in to that. I have heard (first-hand) that several NY-area DJs (not anyone who was at Sputnik II) have "severe disagreements" with Satellite Productions (the Sputnik people), and have heard second-hand that some people in Satellite Productions can be a bitch to work with. So is it merely undefined commercialism that's got Heather turned off, or is it these other things too? And if it's none of my business, then why would she make such statements in a public forum like _UOS_? Okay, so I've wandered off the topic, but so what. Heather is fine and devotes a LOT of time and a tremendous amount of energy to the scene, I guess I just don't always understand where she's coming from, and I'm not sure that she always explains herself that completely, either. Promoting unity involves sharing enough information so people can understand each other; well, that's what I think. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 16:08:10 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: re: sputnik and heather the heather.... Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 16:05:24 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: _UOS_ and Sputnik II (was Re: MASQUERAVE) To: laura@usl.com in reference to what laura said about sputnik II and about heather dissing it, i was there and i loooved it, totally. i think heather was dissing sputnik cos maybe it wasn't a STORM RAVE i don't know could THAT be the reason?? i don't have anything against heather, in fact she was VERY nice to me and dj mars (private joke) :) although she kept yelling (in her brooklyn accent), "shut da door!!" every time someone would open it a crack to get some much-needed air inside. as for catastrophic, i missed the first one, but I WILL BE THERE FOR THE NEXT!! (maybe someday all of you will hear the tragic story, either from me or becca- it involves a broken-down van, getting a jump-start at laura's house, and the ELECTRIC SLIDE (boogiewoogiewoogie)) :)) e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: _UOS_ and Sputnik II (was Re: MASQUERAVE) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 14:47:20 MST Laura: > her definition (and by anyone else's) constitutes "too commercial" at a > rave. How many promoters do you know who don't advertise through record stores, have put a 250 cap on their mailing list, and plan to change the phone number when it reaches that point (about 210 now)? There's "underground" and there's U N D E R G R O U N D IMHO, Heather Heather shouldn't be throwing stones from her glass house. I recount the experience of receiving the Storm Rave flyer via CD supplier in California. Look at the back and note all the different COMMERCIAL "logos". Wotta crock, but who cares if it is commercial or not? Just as long as the promoter isn't money grubbing scum and the rave is still *fun*. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 17:06:45 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: _UOS_ and Sputnik II (was Re: MASQUERAVE) > She *is* getting some turntable time, Remember, too, that DJing a rave is not like any other DJing there is (except maybe for some similar underground movements, like disco was in 1971). What we would consider *abysmal* spinning at a rave might still be good enough for someone to make a reasonable living working for one of the big mobile outfits or in commercial radio. I've been DJing for years, but I have a long way to go before I'm even fit to change the stylus on one of Dante's or Mundy's turntables. ("Excuse me, sir, how do I get to the DJ booth?" "Practice, my boy, practice." :-) > And as far as being too commercial, what does *that* mean? I can't figure it out either. The only substantial differences between Sputnik and the last Storm that I could see were that Sputnik was in a roller rink vs. Storm in a loading dock, and that the location of Sputnik was made available prior to the night of the rave, unlike Storm. IMHO, commercial is what you get when your club starts a "rave night" when nobody who works there has ever been to a rave, or when your so- called "rave" is underwritten by Sony Music Entertainment Inc. I think the main thing to remember is that raving is truly a ground- swell movement, not supply-side economics. They get 5000 people at Storm because 5000 people want a rave, and Storm is a very good one, not because 5000 people had absolutely nothing to do until Joint Ventures came along and told them about these things called "raves". The problem that arises from getting this backwards is that outfits like Satellite Productions and Joint Ventures become suppliers of a commodity (raves) in competition for market share, rather than being peacefully-coexisting fillers of a need put forth by the rest of us. Once it gets to that point, it doesn't matter if one rave is quali- tatively more commercial than another, because they all exist within a commercial framework. That's the point where we'll need to take it back underground ourselves. This is also why I really don't like the idea of raves aligning them- selves with political causes, even worthy ones. As it stands now, I don't know the political leanings of any of the people I rave with, and I don't need to know. There's no concept of political correctness associated with any raves. And as critical as I might get about Joint Ventures, I'll continue to go to their raves without worrying about being denigrated for it. I shudder to think of what would happen to the rave scene if there were Pro-Choice raves and Pro-Life raves and Christian raves and Pagan raves and... -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 16:22:11 CST From: cermak@stolaf.edu (Todd D Cermak) Subject: GRAVE.. That bust is completely unreal. The same promo's held "GRAVE" right here in Minneapolis, and the advertisement said in was in Madison, too.. nothing of the such happened. Yes, it's too bad they're beginning to break down on them so hard - it's like we're in England. Busted for alcohol, and four beers were present? About that club listing.. is Chicago the furthest west you're getting? Minneapolis, MN -- First Avenue The Parameter The Saloon That's better. (Ahem).. Anyone else signed to Taylor808 compilation yet? -Todd cermak@stolaf.edu "Gosh.. it's snowing here already.. Rave-N-Snow? Errrr...." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 17:31:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: _UOS_ and Sputnik II (was Re: MASQUERAVE) >being denigrated for it. I shudder to think of what would happen to >the rave scene if there were Pro-Choice raves and Pro-Life raves and >Christian raves and Pagan raves and... Too late...at Metropol in Pittsburgh two Sundays ago. The National UN Convention were at the all ages rave night they do every Sunday. Before Moby came out, they interupted the music to hold a pre-rally for Clinton/Gore backed by tons of misleading propaganda. A lot of ranting of pro-choice and fuck George Bush, blah, blah. Hardly objective and sounded like a some campaigners had hitched a ride on the popularity of the scene to appeal to young voters. Very commercial and what was funny is that they were promoting it to be an appeal for young voters to speak out on the issues rather than a blatant pitch for Clinton/Gore. It was a rather big surprise. Not that I dislike the Clinton/Gore ticket. Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 17:50:50 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (sawdust is itchy) Subject: Re: _UOS_ and Sputnik II (was Re: MASQUERAVE) Wow, another case of "Yo! MTV generation, it's hip to vote" This election marks the largest voter turnout in ages... Let's see if it even makes a difference; but that's not our forum. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: election Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 16:13:04 PST That's not our forum is right...forget voting. No future for you...ne travaillais jamais. Jim :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 03 Nov 1992 19:28:00 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: havoc music comp. well folks..here's the latest update on the ne-raves/havoc music compilation: i haven't gotten quite as many replys as i would have liked by this point..but, we have enough to go by. if you want to be a part of it, but haven't contacted me yet...please do! 'cos time's running out.. participants so far: person: address: band name: #of songs: john jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu ? 1 john and joe ..not sure of joe's ? 1 {t Va"v$|P ts7B4c 9$]i.28w P'^AE 0=f]m3;[ RIaq/-p;@e"yT!d!s=Lmk_ g$1X\ox3pkS=r})uc~:]$>V( [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: election (fwd) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 16:36:54 PST Forwarded message: [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: election Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 16:13:04 PST That's not our forum is right...forget voting. No future for you...ne travaillais jamais. Jim :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 18:12:18 -0500 From: Alpha Phi Omega Subject: please remove me from the list marie@wam.umd.edu thanks [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 18:13:29 -0500 Masquerve- a catastrophic production I enjoyed this rave very much, unlike the last catastrophic event. You may have seen our invite for a pre-rave party. It was pretty fun. Even the Delaware adn American posses showed up...really cool. We had some music on the stereo and a couple of He-Ne lasers, and even Thalx's argon laser...cool stuff!!! A few of our group didn't have tix, so we went down to musicnow. At the corner a guy was selling tickets for $10...5 less than advertised. Turns out that they printed up their own, which were prefect..besides the originals weren't numbered. That really sucks. Wee, we declined and paid the extra $5. Even though catastrophic isn't cheap, it's not cool to cheat them, we thought. Well, we finally arived and found out that you can't leave (it was in a large warehouse only about 20 mins away from UofM campus). As we entered we saw how ig the place was and it was crowded as well. There were 4 speaker towers kicking out more than I've ever heard. The bass was awesome. There were about 12 (yes 12!!!!!) intellebeams and some swirling light thing. There was also a few NO2 tanks. We saw the usual set up by loop clothes and the juice (drink) bar and another group of people selling some shirt out of a box. There was a single door leading to the chillout room, so we decided (damian and I) to explore. THis wasn't a chill-out room, it was a chill out rave. The second room weas larger than sputnik!! The music was more low key in here. Great ambient stuff. There were 5 intelleeams and spots towards the ack wehre the lights were also on- as a rest area. There was the same amount of people in this room as were in the other rave room! This brings the total to about 17 intellebeams and there was 1 laser. My coherent cenrtal source tells me it was over 10 watts. BTW: it was argon!!! This thing is gorgeous. Also it was an interesting to feel the whole concrete floor shake beneath your feet as the whole rave danced. people: There were soooooo many! My estimate is over 5000... Many non ravers showed up. This kinda wasn't too great. They brought their attitudes and their alcohol. Hey, we even saw one guy throw up...yum! Less than half the people there were dancing. A lot of people were dressed up too. Not too many of the ravers though. I had cyberpunk gear on... music: WOW! music in DC was great for once!!! I liked adam x' Set a lot, and Dante (I think) lew me away...his stuff was amazing. Stranmgly enough I heard a sample from a really obscure house track I know, burried in the music....regardless it was great. The next guy played a generic-grinding- 2-note-bassline-hardcore set..booooring! They had 2 women at one point who were topless w/body paint and were doing strange dancing motions. It was odd. Most people just watched. At this point, there was about for 10 feet infront of the DH, people watching...maye swaying abit, but not dancing. misc thoughts: I was glad to meet up with all the ne-ravers!!! I used to never see drugs at raves, well I saw them this time. I have never been asked so much for acid and x in my life (more acid than x ). There was lots of alcohol and even some pot too. I hung around with damian a lot...peace out! He also pointed out heather-heather to me...I got a copy of Under One Sky from her!!! The lights and effects were spectacular. Look out for DJ LG...he knows his music. There were way too many 'BIG PARTY, DUDE..lets GO!' people there. I expected this because of the huge publicity. Thanxs to whoever's idea it was at sputnik to bring the 2L bottles of water...very smart...I know some dehydrated raver that I gave water to was very thankful. We left around 5:30 so we missed about 4:30 of the rave. I kinda wanted to stay longer, so maybe from now on I'll just show up late...anyone else do this? I was talking with one guy and we were discussing how many people who didn't understand what raves were about besides being a big party were there. He was cool cause he pointed out that we shouldn't act like elitists and exclude them, just say "that's not too cool" and hope they'll learn. I wish there was as much energy at masquerave as there was at sputnik ii and I wished more people danced. But the effects were top notch as was the whole production values of the event. It's approaching overkill. I think the dc scene is not too underground anymore. silicon dreams and cybernetic wishes, -digital druid xx [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: aphex twin|afx twin|dice man|rephlex|r & s Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 20:16:07 EST today i called Rephlex Records in London... Grant, the other half of rephlex (along with Richard D James of Aphex Twin/Pac Man/Dice Man) gave me some great news that i would like to share with you about the above people. >> Analogue Bubblebath Vol 3 is coming out. it is a 6 tracker and it is on Rephlex records in London. Richard James has released this under the <> name. keep in mind that the name APHEX TWIN is licensed only to R & S Records and Mighty Force UK Records. so look for it as AFX. >> the aphex twin has three more releases to go under R & S records. the didgerido EP and the Xylem tube EP, along with the selected ambient works double album fulfill 2 of the EP requirements and he was supposed to release one full album. >> richard d james only did one <> track. the others on vivatational records were someone else who called themselves the Dice Man. Grant confirms this, so don;t get the two confused. the track he did do was "polygon window," and he was not responsible for such songs as "system error;" naming your band after another is a ploy to get consumers to purchase their tracks which the unsuspecting buyer thinks is some white label or ultra rare copy. for instance, the "earth" ep by a fake LFO> when i interviewed them they said never have heard of the track and they said that it happens often. people will buy these even though it isn't the same person. >> rephlex records have released the following groups: black dog. / a.r.t / b12 / kosmic kommando / caustic window. the kosmic kommando 12" is on clear vinyl, no labels. it is in a thin paper sleeve and it has the name, address, etc stamped on the front. inside it has a little paper slip with the label mates, etc. they have an aphex twin t-shirt, dog tags, and other assorted goodies available soon. >> i will post more info as i get it. grant is sending me an information pack and some stuff, so when i get it i will gladly post it.... thanks >>vividly tweaking the envelope filter sines [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue nov 3 [LONG]) Date: Tue, 03 Nov 92 19:52:31 -0600 From: tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sunday, November 8 > SUNDAY SKOOL Chicago (312) - 509 - 2918 > > >From alt.rave: > > Article 3634 of alt.rave: > Newsgroups: alt.rave > Path: cbnewsl!cbnewsk!att!linac!uchinews!quads!disc > From: disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud) > Subject: Re: Sunday School in Chicago > Message-ID: <1992Oct16.062720.25880@midway.uchicago.edu> > Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) > Reply-To: disc@midway.uchicago.edu > Organization: Something fatal. > References: > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:27:20 GMT > > The truth on Sunday Skool: Chicago's saving grace. It will be really good. > The best DJs. It's half James Johnson's brainchild, actually. No South-Side > gang-bangers. They'll all be screened out at the door. 100% hardcore ravers. > > For all who haven't heard about this, it's the following: > > Sunday Skool > > DJs Miles Maeda/James Johnson > Every Sunday starting at 8PM > 112 N. Green Street in Chicago > 17+ with ID > Info: 312-509-2918 > > I'll be there...it'll be fun as hell. > > =Jerry Dischler=|Little Fluffy Cloud|=disc@quads.uchicago.edu= > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A note on Sunday Skool: as far as I know, it's a dead thing. I attended the first klass three weeks ago, and maybe 15 other people were there. Good music, ok layout, no turnout. The last time I called the number that Jerry gives in his description the answering machine said that Sunday Skool was dead due to lack of interest... just fyi... tom tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: ? Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 18:05:15 PST --checking to see if this one bounces, too-- Meanwhile, I'm in L.A. and I haven't been to a rave anywhere else...how do they compare? They tend to suck out here now. Jim :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 21:41:15 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu Subject: election 238 electoral votes and counting... [I'm so happy I can't help but post] - fred - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 18:50:28 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Masquerave! This was one of the best Catastrophic raves since their early ones. I hung out in the trance room for most of the evening. If the trance room was supposed to be a chill out room, it fooled me. I ventured out into the hardcore room around 4:00 am. Mac de Hey was DJing. He was awsome. I stayed for the Merje performance. It was the first time Art performed solo. Frampton, the former half of Merge moved out to L.A. Went back into the trance room for a little bit more, and then out to the hardcore room. Scott Henry was spinning so I stayed out there. Left the rave around 7:30. The longest I've ever stayed at one of these things. Highlights The music: good variety (hardcore, trance, happy) The ne-ravers: (Camper, Fran, Gil, Damien, Doug, Eric) Space: large Lights: lasers and intellebeams. Lowlights: The Partydudes: Too many in the hardcore room. The Partydudes: Pushed people to get through the narrow bridge between rooms. The trash: Too much on the floor by the end of the evening. The bathrooms: Job-time-jonnies. yuck :-( - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 18:56:51 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: U.O.S. and Sputnik II I loved Sputnik II. My only experience with SR was the Manhattan rave that got busted by the NYC fire Marshall. I don't trust the SR promoters anymore. Who cares if half the crowd was under 17. Ravers are ravers, no matter what their ages are. I don't know how you can promote unity if you complain about your biases towards teenagers. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 22:19:33 -0500 Subject: More info on Milwaukee Bust (I know alot of you cannot access alt.rave, so I am passing this info on. If you can read alt.rave, skip this message and go read it!) Milwaukee Sentinel - 3 NOV 1992 (Headline) 4 'rave' organizers fined $3,000 each (Byline) By TINA BURNSIDE Sentinel staff writer The four organizers of the clandestine "rave" party where police arrested more than 950 people were fined $3,000 each Monday for permitting alcohol consumption in a public place without a license. The president of the company that owns the Walker's Point warehouse used for the party accused the organizers of renting it under false pretenses and allowing partygoers to trash it. "They told me it was to be used to shoot a commercial video," said Hans Moede, president and attorney for Atlas Development Corp. "We had no idea there was going to be a party." Organizers declined to comment on Moede's charge. Moede, who said he learned about the party from a television newscast Sunday night, also was fined $3,000. He said he may sue the organizers. The organizers apologized for the event. "We wanted to have a non-alcoholic event where people could come and be peaceful. We will never do a rave party again," said Robin L. Bott, 30, of West Bend. "This has been the grave of rave." Woodrow W. McBride, 24, of Minneapolis, Minn.; Bobette M. Reiss, 26, of Bloomington, Minn.; Michael S. Vance, 31, of Madison; and Bott appeared in Municipal Court before Judge William J. Panagis. All of the defendants pleaded no contest. Asst. City Atty. David Halbrooks had said Sunday the four faced fines of $300,000 apiece. But under an agreement Monday between the party organizers' attorneys and Halbrooks, the fines were cut to $3,000. Each defendant would be allowed to use $2,000 of the $8,000 police confiscated in ticket money as credit toward the fine. They would be responsible for paying the remaining $1,000 out of their own pockets with monthly payments of $75 over 13 months. The organizers cooperated with police immediately after they were arrested, Halbrooks said. As part of the deal, the defendants agreed to apologize publicly for the problems the party caused. The party took place at an old tannery warehouse at 710 W. Virginia St. It was raided after undercover officers who went to the party saw juveniles and adults using drugs and alcohol. The partygoers, ages 13 to 40, were fined $325 each for aiding and abetting the consumption of alcohol in a public place without a license. Rave parties originated in Britain in the 1980s and consist of "techno-house" music, wild dancing and light laser shows [sic]. Use of marijuana and hallucinogens is common, authorities said. "We had nothing but good intentions," said McBride. "We wanted to provide an extremely exciting and positive event." McBride, who has worked as a disc jockey at many rave parties, said they organized the event as an alternative to nightclubs. "The clubs are alcohol-oriented, and at the 'rave' the focus is on music and art. We wanted to provide the best music and entertainment that money could buy for $10," the price of a ticket, tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes: : : Oh yeah, could someone in Milwaukee please post addresses of : Milwaukee newspapers, and we can flood them with letters to the : editor. You've got it: Milwaukee Journal and Milwaukee Sentinal (separate papers) 333 W. State Street Milwaukee, WI 53203 414.224.2000 Shepherd Express 1123 N. Water St. Milwaukee, WI 53202 414.276.2222 UWM Post and UWM Times (separate papers) UWM Student Union Milwaukee, WI 53211 414.229.4578 and 414.229.???? Go to it! [[By writing letters to the editor of those Milwaukee newspapers, hopefully we can show Milwaukee, and other citites by its example, that the rave scene is something positive, and has nationwide support]] From: disc@quads.uchicago.edu (Little Fluffy Cloud) Subject: Re: Milwaukee Rave Busted Organization: Something fatal. Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 05:45:14 GMT Lines: 49 I was there. Here is the truth. There were THREE fire exits. This was an organizad narcotics investigation. It was also a SETUP. Let me explain: At 1:30 AM, police entered the wwarehouse, guns drawn. They took all people at the front of the warehouse (closest to the front entrance) and pinned them against the wall. They proceeded to cuff them, and everyone alse in the warehouse, with zip cuffs. Boys and girls were separated. Each person was searched at least once. All names of those over 18 were taken down, purporte dly to do checks for "outstanding warrants." I do not believe that any names were actually checked. It was jsut to buy some time and piss everyone off. Each person from Milwaukee who was over 18 was given a $325 ticket for: "Aiding and abetting person in charge of unlicensed public place permitting consumption of alcoholic beverage." It took over 2 1/2 hours for most people to get written up. All 18+ people from outside Milwaukee were threatened lots with jailtime but were eventually released. Those under 18 or without identification were taken to jail for fingerprinting searches. Bail for those over 18 (without ID) was $325, or they spent up to 24 hours in jail. Those under 18 were fined (get this) ***$55*** for the same charge that I was fined $325 for and $55 for curfew. 950 people were present. 200 people went to jail. The police were rude and disorganized. People were taken to jail for simply asking questions. People were pushed and physically abused for no apparent reason. I, personally, had been zip-cuffed so tightly that one of my hands turned red. The officer told me that he was "going to put the cuffs on loose." If I wiggled out, he would put them on "tightly." When my hand turned red, another officer cut that cuff off, but left the other one on, also excruciatingly tight, for me to "wiggle off myself." That hand still has a bruise on it. The only beer bottles I saw were the following: 2 7 oz bottles (open) of Miller Genuine Draft which Nick had behind the DJ tables, and at least 4 bottles, which a narcotics investigator pulled out of the location's mailbox. Considering that Grave Rave security (DICKS) were searching (according to the map, whose directions SUCKED) for "bottles and metal objects," I have reason to believe that the cops planted the bottles there to initiate the seizure in the first place. FIRE CODES IS BULLSHIT. The fire marshall is the ONLY person with authority to close a party for fire violations. Article 4535 (46 more) in alt.rave: From: aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (PanthrModern) Subject: Re: Grave - busted? Date: 3 Nov 1992 07:13:17 GMT Organization: The Forbin Project Lines: 40 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 goddard@cae.wisc.edu (Goddard Denis) writes: : : Hey, I realize it's a crazy idea, but have you considered invoking your : right to a court date? You might point out to the judge that : a> you had nothing illegal at all on your person (you never do, of course!) : b> to the best of your knowledge, NO alcohol was being sold or served AT ALL : (as you said in your posting) : c> you might consider bringing up 'free assembly' : : **d> you are INNOCENT of the CHARGE of 'aiding the sale of alcohol to minors' : (or whatever it was) both by virtue of (b) and since bargoers aren't : fined when a bar serves to underagers--only the owners are. I *AM* going to invoke my right to a court date and as a friend suggested to me today, ask for a jury trial. I'll let you know what happens after the meeting with the city attorney next week Tuesday. Also, the charge had more to do with the fact that the organizers didn't have a license to serve alcohol, regardless of being a minor or not. I don't agree with the law, I'm just stating what my citation says: type of violation: Aiding and abedding person in charge of unlicensed Public place permitting consumption of alcoholic beverage. describe violation: subject was on unlicensed public premises where person in charge was permitting the consumption of alcoholic beverages See the difference? It wasn't so much selling to minors, per se, but just the fact that I was THERE and so was the alcohol, which it was but only a couple of beers, really. I saw the evidence table before I left the place. All that was there was a bunch of pot-pipes, 2 bottles of beer and a jug of blue Kool-Aid. Gotta watch out for tht blue Kool-Aid, ya know. [[Please pass on this information to local 'zines]] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 04 Nov 1992 01:50:01 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: havoc message havoc ahh.folks...it looks like my deck sent that horribly incomplete and errored message out about the Havoc Music comp update.... IGNORE IT!! i will send the proper file when it's all set... sorry about the possible confusion.. >>taylor808 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 04 Nov 1992 02:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: UOS and heather ms. heather Who cares if half the crowd was under 17. Ravers are ravers, no matter what their ages are. I don't know how you can promote unity if you complain about your biases towards teenagers. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 04 Nov 1992 02:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: god, i'm fucking tired...let's try that again: UOS and heather ok, i fucked it up again...i just sent that last message with nothing but the quote from rob...boy...here we go: rob says: Who cares if half the crowd was under 17. Ravers are ravers, no matter what their ages are. I don't know how you can promote unity if you complain about your biases towards teenagers. word. more of heather's Under One Storm "unity" bullshit. (i could crack a BAD age joke..but i won't...) age doesn't matter..i suppose heather would complain about race too. give her a dictionary...send her to the 'U' section..."unity"... >>taylor707 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: MASQUERAVE Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 9:38:54 EST > meeting the only rave asshole I've encountered so far, who > was bugging me at Sputnik II and showed up at Masquerave. Bleahhh. Sounds to me like we should Reach Out and Connect the ne-raves Peace and Unity Death Squad on this one! :-) -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 09:41:25 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: DC/Baltimore Picked up a couple flyers the other night about upcoming events: Thursday November 5, 1992 Tripotronic Groove Scott Henry Suzi Cyclone Bobble Wash Leni K Chris & Joe Chillout with Atomic Vibe Visual Stimulation by Marcos Ferre Smart Bar by Neuro Energy Over 18 BYOB Paradox 1310 Russel Street Baltimore Also an listing of guest djs at the citrus club in baltimore: 11/6 Debo 11/13 ON-E 11/20 Jason Jinx w/Bobble 11/27 Jimmy Crash and,of course, the ultimate in no attitude clubs .... Europa Europa at the fifth colvmn begins thursday 11/5. complimentary champagne and chocolate courtesy of moet. Avec la paritcipation de moet and chandon On the main floor serge papatakis spinning the latest in continental club classics. (A little sarcasm never hurt anyone) hani [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 15:57:47 CST From: cermak@stolaf.edu (Todd D Cermak) Subject: Unity? Well, I think that you're going to find some conflicts between someone or another at raves just because it's human nature, except when perhaps everyone is on ecstacy (which is a nice thought) or some form of peaceful drug.. use that I support, personally. I don't believe that a commercialized gathering is going be flawless in that aspect. Taylor, explain to me what Under One Sky's "Unity" bullshit is? I dunno, I think I naturally just have a bias towards teenagers in some ways. It doesn't mean that if I see a 15 year old at a party I simply ignore them, but I realize my first reaction would probably be negative. Of course, who am I to talk? I'm a teenager! Errr... -Todd "..winds on through the hills for 15 days..fool's gold.." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 17:28 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Unity? >Taylor, explain to me what Under One Sky's "Unity" bullshit is? The _UOS_ BS on unity is that the in parts of the 'zine they go on about how the rave scene is supposed to be about unity and that the music joins us all together across all barriers etc. etc, but then: ** a scene report gets printed in _UOS_ that says that a rave was bad because about half the people there were under 17 and that the rave was "too commercial" (where "too commerical" is never defined or explained, and where the person who wrote that statement belongs to a rave organization that puts on even bigger, more expensive, and more slickly produced raves than the rave organization that was dissed). ** later on in _UOS_ the statement "Frankie Bones is the only true promoter of techno in America" is made. Such statements do not promote unity. Especially when they are made in a publication written, edited, and produced by one of the most dedicated and active rave promoters on the East Coast. Especially when the person making these statments (or at least including them in her publication) is very sweet and friendly in person, who truly believes that people everywhere should build a rave scene and join the world with groove. These descrepancies make it all come out sounding like double-speak, and this annoys some of us. Well, what's done is done -- _UOS_ is interesting, controversial, and even useful. BUT: stay tuned for a new rave publication, coming soon to an electronic mailbox near you!!! Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 03:52:12 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: politics and raving Ed Horch says: >This is also why I really don't like the idea of raves aligning them- >selves with political causes, even worthy ones. As it stands now, I >don't know the political leanings of any of the people I rave with, and >I don't need to know. There's no concept of political correctness >associated with any raves. And as critical as I might get about Joint >Ventures, I'll continue to go to their raves without worrying about >being denigrated for it. I shudder to think of what would happen to >the rave scene if there were Pro-Choice raves and Pro-Life raves and >Christian raves and Pagan raves and... You can't take politics out of it. There's politics in sex. There's politics in driving to work/school. There's politics in watching TV. Simply because the rave scene is about acceptance and about dancing all night long and the condoning of altering one's state of consciousness, chemically or naturally, raves will have some sort of politics involved with them. I think one can argue that raves don't promote a _religion_, but that they do promote a sense of _personal_spirituality_, and people can chose to find that in any particular religion (and since the debate over abortion seems to be very closely tied to specific religions, there really is no mandate over that the way there is with, say, environmentalism.) I think the rave music and attitudes promote a holistic look at life and the world, which makes people more concerned with their environment, with the treatment of others, etc. We all consider raves to be more than simply a "big party". It is a scene with a life of its own. There is an undercurrent, a theme that we carry with us when we're not at raves. It's a movement, a different mode of thought, and that is potentially terrific and potentially dangerous. We have to ensure that we _know_ how to harness this tap of energy we've discovered. This is an energy that we want to share with others; I am always trying to get new people into it, and more often than not they come back for more and more. Parties grow in size, until they get to the point where the surrounding society starts recognizing it and asking some questions. At that point, we would be betraying ourselves if we simply said it was "just a party" when we know differently. Keep in mind that people fear what they don't understand - and if the outside world doesn't understand us we will be squashed (point of reference - the Milwaukee Halloween Massacre). Therefore, a the scene gets larger, it might behoove us to clarify our aims and presence to the outside world to help ensure our welcome. This doesn't mean that we need to get together and nominate a candidate for president in '96, but I think it does mean letting people know that ravers care about more than simply getting tanked on nitrous or dosed. Charity raves for battered childrens homes, for environmental (politically neutral) groups like the Sierra club or Nature Conservancy, for AIDS research, all that is stuff that I think promoters and ravers should be looking towards. This can only help the image of raves to the outside world. As for straight politics - at a rave on Tuesday night here in SF someone (geoffw@mnexsys.net, actually) brought a big 3'x6' sign that said, simply, "bye, george" and got a terrific response to it. I wonder if Bubba or Ozone Man has ever been to a rave... the party scene in Little Rock looked pretty fun that night! :) Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Please Subcsribe Me From: RAMSEY%MAINE.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 08:26:42 EST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 09:55:18 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Please Explain... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] > Well, I think that you're going to find some conflicts between someone > or another at raves just because it's human nature, except when perhaps > everyone is on ecstacy (which is a nice thought) or some form of peaceful > drug.. use that I support, personally. I don't believe that a > commercialized gathering is going be flawless in that aspect. This is a bit off of the subject, but I never understood why "ravers" comdemn people who drink alcohol at raves/clubs. As a non [frequent] user of ecstasy or acid, I find myself having to deal with people who are tripping. Is there a difference here? I enjoy socially drinking especially after a long week of sitting in front of the computer day in and day out. I feel alienated many times when comments are made about people who drink or have been drinking at raves. I agree about not welcoming sloppy/obnoxious drunks, but don't condemn me just because I've had a few... Unity? I welcome comments (even though I am setting myself up for flames). CaRoLyN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Please Explain... Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 10:38:28 EST > I never understood why "ravers" > comdemn people who drink alcohol at raves/clubs. In any quantity, alcohol is a depressant, which is counter to the high-energy aspect of raves. Besides, the vibe at a rave is better at removing inhibitions than a couple drinks... In large doses, alcohol produces all the negative behaviors we've had to deal with in the clubs for so long: boozy pick-up attempts, wild mood swings, passing out, throwing up, etc. Not only that, the absence of alcohol usually implies the absence of people who pick their parties on the basis of whether or not they can get drunk there (the "fratboy" stereotype). -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 11:03:37 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Please Explain... > From @Relay.Prime.COM:cshin@feds47.Prime.COM Thu Nov 5 10:06:32 1992 > This is a bit off of the subject, but I never understood why "ravers" > comdemn people who drink alcohol at raves/clubs. Alcohol has a couple of bad points as far as mixing with raving, IMHO... First, alcohol *can* drug people in a way that makes them irratable, obnoxious or even violent. Alcohol, for me anyway, brings my mood down. WHen I'm raving the last thing I want to feel is physically and emotionaly weighed down. Alcohol, IMHO (again), doesn't promote a sense of peaceful unity. Case in point, Quest II in Providence, there was alot of drinking going on there, some by ravers, some by local "BIG Pahty, dude!" people. I feel that there is a sense of disconnection with the good vibes and the whole raving experience when alcohol is consumed. I never feel threatened by E or A users, but drunks classically lean or fall into you while speaking, hit on anyone and everyone and throw up if they drink too much. Now, as far as acid and ecstasy goes, I'm not saying that they're more or less healthy for you physically, but mentally people are more alert and happy. Laughing, talking, connecting with the people and the music. Some friends of mine like to drink while raving. While it's not my thing, I don't condemn people for doing it, I simply question the affect that it has on that person and others in a rave environment. Like I said, my personal experience with drinking and being with drinkers at raves have been pretty negative, therefore I don't encourage it. Do what you will. Be happy. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Chrome Cboy Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 11:07:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Please Explain... [In the message entitled "Re: Please Explain...", on Nov 5, Ed Horch writes:] >> I never understood why "ravers" >> comdemn people who drink alcohol at raves/clubs. >In any quantity, alcohol is a depressant, which is counter to the >high-energy aspect of raves. Besides, the vibe at a rave is better >at removing inhibitions than a couple drinks... If so, then why do so many people decide to trip? Anyway, from a pharmapsychological point of view, the anti-inhibitory effect of alcohol will, in moderate quantities, provide an energy boost. I've been pretty annoyed with the "anti-alcohol" attitude that seems to be prevalent. Everyone claims that raves are "be who you are, peace, love"-fests, but that only seems to apply if you are following the social norms of the majority who attend. If I want to have a few drinks and go raving it shouldn't matter any more than if someone else wants to drop and go. What *should* matter is how you act -- if you can't handle your drug of choice then don't show up -- but don't discriminate based on how someone gets their kicks. -- "To say someone is 'entitled' to some- | Blake Sobiloff thing is to say someone else is obli- | gated to produce in his place. It is | Laboratory for Automation Psychology the civilian version of draft-dodging | Department of Psychology and leaving the sacrifices to others." | University of Maryland -Thomas Sowell | College Park, MD 20742-4411 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 11:23:16 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: Please Explain... >In any quantity, alcohol is a depressant, which is counter to the >high-energy aspect of raves. Besides, the vibe at a rave is better >at removing inhibitions than a couple drinks... > I agree that alcohol is a depressant. However, like almost any drug, it intesifies the emotions you have before you take that drug. I, personally, generally become very happy and very energetic when I have a nice buzz. When I go out, I go out to have a good time, so a couple of drinks simply accentuates that feeling. >In large doses, alcohol produces all the negative behaviors we've >had to deal with in the clubs for so long: boozy pick-up attempts, >wild mood swings, passing out, throwing up, etc. Thats true, but I feel that in large doses, any drug would produce a lot of those effects. By the way, my first real rave was the masquerave in dc this weekend. So I am not speaking as a rave expert. The thing I was suprised about the most was the amount of pot people were smoking; that seems to be "counter to the high-energy aspect of raves". Also, there were a LOT of beer bottles all over the place. Also, I did see a lot of "boozy [and non-boozy] pick-up attempts,wild mood swings, [and] passing out..." Maybe this isn't the norm at a rave but everyone was having a good time in their own way which is GREAT. >> I never understood why "ravers" >> comdemn people who drink alcohol at raves/clubs. > So, I have to agree with CaRoLyN on this point. Cheers, ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 11:36 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Please Explain... Chrome Cboy writes: >What *should* matter is how you act -- if you can't handle >your drug of choice then don't show up -- but don't >discriminate based on how someone gets their kicks. Exactly. With the following addendum -- If you DO bring alcohol to a rave DO NOT bring HUGE quantities of it. See, it's very easy to get a few hits of acid or X past a cop, but bringing a cooler full of beer is another story -- especially since you can bet the rave location is not licenced for public consumption of alcohol. Stuffing a few beers or coolers or a small flask of whatever in your rave-bag is one thing, but standing in line sucking down a 32 oz. Bud in front of the cops is another. (I've seen it happen.) No WONDER certain raves get closed down . . . . There were so many people on line with obvious amounts of beer and liquor at the Storm Rave That Got Busted that I'm suprised that the cops didn't start arresting people in line for god's sake. I think another big reason behind the "no alcohol" line of raving is that when you drink there's a lot more physical evidence of your illegal activities laying around. So toss those empties deep into a garbage can, or put them back into your rave bag for later. That rave in Milwaukee got busted because two half empty beers were found beind the DJ booth (or something like that). SIMILARLY, if you smoke marijuana, don't be passing your joint or pipe around indiscriminantly, and use a smokeless pipe if possible. All the rave scene needs is for one DEA official to be handed a lit joint at a rave, you know? I know it's fun to share, but it's not that hard to be careful. Finally, I've been to a few raves where people have taken entirely too much acid or X and become nuisences, as if they were drinking too much, too. People who drop too much acid for them to handle need to be baby-sat, and being on a bad trip not only brings you down, but also your baby-sitter and the people around you. I've seen the same person (not an ne-raver) take too much acid at two raves now, I'm begining to wonder if he does it to get attention. People who take more X than they can handle sometimes get *too* huggy/kissy, and this is similar to what happens when someone drinks to much and tries to pick someone up. At SPUTNIK II some over-X-ed guy kept trying to talk to me / hug me. He was a complete stranger, and his overt advances irritated me, so I spent the rest of the evening away from the part of the room he was inhabiting. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 11:47:18 -0500 From: jeff@ursa-major.spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic) Subject: Re: Please Explain... CaRoLyN rites: >>This is a bit off of the subject, but I never understood why "ravers" >comdemn people who drink alcohol at raves/clubs. As a non [frequent] >user of ecstasy or acid, I find myself having to deal with people who >are tripping. Is there a difference here? Briefly, and with a great deal of generalization... 1) Alcohol seems to lower inhibitions and relax when used in moderation. However if it's use is heavy, it appears to provoke aggressive behavior. It also effects coordination. When used heavily, it can lead to nausea or worse. 2) Alcohol is a strong diuretic. Even moderate use can lead to dehydration. 3) Alcohol is easy to spill. When it does, it is messy, smelly, and slippery. 4) The presence of bottles or cans is difficult to hide. It is illegal to sell it to minors and easy to catch someone at it. Or set them up. Conversly... 1) Neither X nor LSD seem to provoke aggressive behavior, and neither strongly affect coordination. 2) While LSD *is* a diuretic, it is not nearly as strong a one as alcohol. MDMA is slightly diuretic as well. 3) Trippers don't have to carry anything around with them. It's *very* difficult to *prove* that someone has LSD or MDMA in their system, and in any event, it gets flushed out of the body quickly (LSD ~1 hour, MDMA ~4 hours, 1 oz. of alcohol (about 2 beers) ~10 hours). 4) As someone who has been to all 3 places and seen many others, I would have to say that it appears that trippers enjoy themselves more and add a better vibe to the proceedings. This observation is highly subjective, of course. Again, the above is all very generalized. I have no problem with moderate use of alcohol (or any brain-change agent, for that matter). It just seems that alcohol use has more disadvantages than benefits. my 22 cents, Jeff [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:51:20 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Re: Please Explain... On Thu, 5 Nov 1992, Ed Horch wrote: > In any quantity, alcohol is a depressant, which is counter to the > high-energy aspect of raves. Besides, the vibe at a rave is better > at removing inhibitions than a couple drinks... > > In large doses, alcohol produces all the negative behaviors we've > had to deal with in the clubs for so long: boozy pick-up attempts, > wild mood swings, passing out, throwing up, etc. Chillout rooms counter the "high-energy" aspects of raves, too. Any intoxicant or narcotic in large enough quanitities produces behavior that the majority will find obnoxious. I don't buy this argument, I'm sorry. I agree with you that a rave with a healthy vibe does a lot to lower inhibitions and get people into it. We keep talking about unity and friendship on one hand, and contradicting ourselves on the other by talking about what is and isn't acceptable at a rave. Now thrashing out and beating people up is socially unacceptable under any circumstance, without question. But determining what is the intoxicant of choice at a rave strikes me as just a wee bit cliquish. Just MHO... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 11:48 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Please Explain... Carolyn wrote: >> I never understood why "ravers" >> comdemn people who drink alcohol at raves/clubs. I think condemn is an awfully strong word. A number of ravers feel that alchohol is not a good choice of drugs for a rave, that's all. The condemnation comes into play * when broken glass / disgusting beer sploodge ends up on the floor (And I've seen it at a rave and at clubs) * when any drug user takes too much and gets sick / violent / annoying / irresponsible * when the drug users flaunt their use in front of The Law (beer bottles everywhere at a non-BYOB, non-licensed rave, joints/pipes/bongs circulating through the crowd, people walking around asking perfect strangers if they have any X or acid) * when the only reason why people come to the rave is for drugs, be it alcohol or whatever (the so-called "frat boy" mentality) Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 12:05:20 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Re: Please Explain... hardcore dave says: > Alcohol, IMHO (again), doesn't promote a sense of peaceful unity. Case in > point, Quest II in Providence, there was alot of drinking going on there, some > by ravers, some by local "BIG Pahty, dude!" people. I feel that there is a > sense of disconnection with the good vibes and the whole raving experience when > alcohol is consumed. > Now, as far as acid and ecstasy goes, I'm not saying that they're more or less > healthy for you physically, but mentally people are more alert and happy. > Laughing, talking, connecting with the people and the music. I find myself ten times more "tolerable" to (techno) music and (sometimes) people after a few drinks. And I am more likely to dance and meet/talk to people. I think that some people who are tripping can be just as sloppy as I have gotten after a few *too* many drinks (which is once in a while). I guess that I could consider myself a "considerate drunk." I seldom smuggle liquor into places; I don't chuck my empties on the floor; and if I or someone else spills something I clean up. Does this mean that I do not promote "unity" because I drink or because I don't take E or acid? With or without foreign substances, I can still have fun, be friendly, and "connect", so long as other people treat me with the same respect. I admit that I, too, don't particularly care for that fratboy stereotype or "boozy pick-up attempts". And, I admit that I am pretty rude (most verbally) to those types of people only if I am provoked. In light of many email messages to my original post (which I appreciate), I am still feeling a bit alienated. CaRoLyN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:21:26 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Mind Altering Substances Alcohol and raves. Maybe not because when it migrated from Europe, alcohol just wasn't the "in" drug to do. Copying the scene here in the US, nobody did alcohol. Or it could be the obvious physical problem that someone brought up about bringing a case of Extra Gold Bud, or whatever into a party as opposed to a sheet of acid to sell. Personally, most people on any type of drug tend to bug me. People on alcohol can get stupid real quick, and people on any type of hallucinagenic(sp?) tend to be annoying with their "distant personality". Everyone here wants raves to be promoting peace, love, etc, etc. They also want it to a unique, small, elite bunch of people. This is nice and all, but it isn't going to happen. Raves, and techno music are fads. Just like disco, and house music. My two previous examples have pretty much died in the Popular public eye, but still exist, and there are places still pressing disco. Now, just because it's a fad doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. I have my pile of New Beat records, and New Wave everyone will remember. But remember that the music scene is always changing, and with it the social scene (or does this happen the other way around?). I don't care what people do at raves, nor do I care what they do in their personal time. When they start throwing up on me, or hugging me non-stop, or try to tell me that I pink rabbits, and little elves dancing next to me, I get annoyed. Personally, I think you should be going to raves for the music. If you can't let yourself go and just dance to the music. Then either your life is probably too stressful, or you don't handle stress very well. enough babble, go back to doing work, at least 'til the weekend raves. -Matt Techno Terrorists 8pm-Midnight Fridays 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh note to the people near Pittsburgh: [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 12:20 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Hurt feelings and dealing with the issue (was Re: Please Explain...) Peter Cohen wrote: >But determining what is the >intoxicant of choice at a rave strikes me as just a wee bit cliquish. True, but that ISN'T what we are doing here. Ed and Dave NEVER said you can't drink at a rave, they just said they don't recommend it. Since Carolyn started this thread more people have come out and said that they enjoy (or at least don't mind) alcohol as long as people are responsible with it than have said "NO NO EVIL EVIL." So please everyone, don't feel like you are being picked on or made fun of or disapproved of or whatever *here* (on this list). It makes ME feel very BAD when I see posts saying things like "you all who call yourself ravers make me feel bad because you say Z and I do Z yada yada yada." However, when I finally get around to throwing a rave it's going to be no alcohol allowed simply because I don't want to risk one or two careless people ruining it for all the careful people. Now I just have to figure out what to do about people who have taken too many drugs . . . the easiest thing would be to do what any bar owner would do when someone drinks too much -- dismiss them from the premises. But this leads to problems because 1) How the heck can I tell if someone has taken too many drugs? The person in question could be that way *anyway*. 2) Putting someone on the street who's taken too many drugs would be worse for them than giving them a safe place to chill. Any suggestions? Maybe the best thing to do is to keep the party incredibly underground, warn attendees to obtain their supplies in advance and turn away known drug dealers at the map point / door. This sounds asinine, but all I need in life is multi-thousand dollar fines, you know? Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 05 Nov 1992 12:55:06 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: e + a in response to all of this dialogue on alcohol and what not...i'd just like to say that as a person who does not do ecstasy or acid (hardly EVER alcohol.. wine sometimes).. i sometimes DO find that people look down on me for not doing e or a.... but this doesn't happen often. i think condemning someone for NOT doing drugs is downright insane. a good friend of mine and i got in a fight because he thought he was so much cooler than me, 'cos he did acid. i agree somewhat with the alcohol thing..it does often lead to stupidity and sloppiness...but acid is not much better...i almost lost this good friend because of it. those of us who don't take any drugs or drink, in the long run, are better off health wise...and that's one of the main reasons i stay this way. i don' really think i've got a point to all of this...but, don't "condemn" anyone for e, acid, alcohol...anything...UNLESS THEY DO SOMETHING NEGATIVE... if Carolyn feels that a little alcohol makes her a little more friendly and what not..then great...if e makes someone feel that way...that's fine too.. but there shouldn't be any condemning unless someone's actions justify it. just my 2 yen. >>taylor909 [ square wave fetish team ] physically altering the technology and making it do what they want pulses pulses pulses pulses >>>EOX [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:10:11 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: Hurt feelings and dealing with the issue (was Re: Please Explain...) Aren't we supposed to be working?! Anyways, Laura writes >True, but that ISN'T what we are doing here. Ed and Dave NEVER said >you can't drink at a rave, they just said they don't recommend it. >Since Carolyn started this thread more people have come out and said that >they enjoy (or at least don't mind) alcohol as long as people are responsible >with it than have said "NO NO EVIL EVIL." I guess the point is that if you do a drug make sure you do it responsibly and in moderation so you don't mess up other peoples good time. I agree that alcohol litters and is very easy to detect so for those who like to have a drink or two, have some before you get to the rave (which is what i did this weekend); make sure some one else drives though. > >However, when I finally get around to throwing a rave it's going to be >no alcohol allowed simply because I don't want to risk one or two careless >people ruining it for all the careful people. Now I just have to figure >out what to do about people who have taken too many drugs . . . the easiest >thing would be to do what any bar owner would do when someone drinks too >much -- dismiss them from the premises. But this leads to problems because > > 1) How the heck can I tell if someone has taken too many drugs? > The person in question could be that way *anyway*. > 2) Putting someone on the street who's taken too many drugs would > be worse for them than giving them a safe place to chill. > >Any suggestions? > I didn't know you were thinking of throwing a rave. Thats great! As for suggestions, I hope I don't go out on a limb here, but how about not permitting any drugs (or at least saying that on the flyer). I know this is probably not feasible but I thought I might suggest it because for those who are really into the music and the friendship of it all, it would seem to me that it wouldn't matter whether they were on drugs or not. Also, this might limit the size of the rave and release you of any legal obligations (I think). It seems to me that best times I have had at clubs, parties etc was when I was not under the influence of anything at all. I have found people talking about needing certain drugs to help them connect to people and to the music; wouldn't it be great (does this sound like the beginning of a beer commercial?) if people could do that without the aid of a substance (BTW, I'm not trying to be preachy). ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Booze n' Raves Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 11:27:09 MST I once tried to throw an alcohol free rave here in Utah and our attendance was cut severely. Several people have mentioned the hazards of alcohol, but you have to realize that here, if there isn't anything else, there is always beer. I myself am rather straight-edged. I won't even take an aspirin, let alone something I am unsure of content, but the amount of alcohol at our raves doesn't bother me. The state is VERY restrictive on what goes on with booze, so people almost find a release at our raves. I know there is a very big risk though, but we haven't run into problems with it yet. At the last one, the police did arrive, and they did see the floor with literally ZILLIONS of cans and bottles lying around. They just told us to turn it down. Incredibly lucky, yes, but we were also very cooperative. We'll probably never do a map point because they could get a warrant in the time that the ticket is sold and the doors open. Yes, I wish my raves were alcohol free. However, I've never seen a large frat-boy contingent, nor anyone stumbling around in an alcohol stupor. Alcohol IS a drug, and you shouldn't knock anyone's choice to use it or not to use it. I've had people offer me everything in the book at a rave, for free, but I've never seen any offense when I turned it down. Amazement, yes :-), but people respect my choice as much as I respect theirs. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:34:17 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Video HalluciNation) Subject: Pot, Alcohol, Police Stupidity. It seems that many people treat raving as just one big party, and bring lots of pot and alcohol in the door (We've seen this at storm rave; large jockish men bringing in coolers full of beer with thier big-haired long island dates). Now, this starts to work into an intersting situation: AS the people who are tripping / Xing / Whatever begin to peak and slowly lose their minds and the people who are heavily drinking get more and more drunk. I've seen this and had this happen to me: People get drunk, of the college frat-boy mentaility don't understand what is going on (or at least trying to go on) and begin teasing and playing with people who are tripping / Xing. If you're that state of mind , someone doing that you is intensely scary, not to mention dangerous. Carolyn: Noone is condemning you for drinking here. We are condeming those who over do it, whether it be Ecstacy, Acid, Or Alcohol. Noone says you have to take any drugs to be part of any scene, and noone is making you. * Raving is Not a Clique. * Raving is not a place to get so fucked that you endanger yourself, the promoter's reputation and others around you. * No One on this list or in any place else has any right to tell people what they can and can't do. The main lesson here is respect. You respect each others ideas, you respect each others drug use, and their opinions. Some people don't believe in respect, don't understand that in a rave we're bringing people together for a common cause. --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu (ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN) Subject: Re: Mind Altering Substances Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:40:11 -0500 (EST) Matt writes: > > Personally, I think you should be going to raves for the music. If you > can't let yourself go and just dance to the music. Then either your > life is probably too stressful, or you don't handle stress very well. > > enough babble, go back to doing work, at least 'til the weekend raves. > > -Matt > Techno Terrorists > 8pm-Midnight Fridays > 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh > > note to the people near Pittsburgh: > >From the people who brought you Evolution, Recycled Productions. > Mutation is coming soon. Stay Tuned. > > I have to agree with Matt on what he said about the 'music'. I don't think that the problem everyone is having here is with the imbibing of drugs per se, but rather what has been happening in 'night clubs' for as long as I can remember. When I go out (whether it be to my favorite night dance-o-rama or Rave), I go out to dance and enjoy myself. Usually when I get to the chosen place, wherever it might be that night, I usually have a beer to calm my nerves and let myself go. I usually am under a lot of stress, and find that I really can't enjoy the music until I calm myself down a little with a slight depressant. This usually puts me in a good mood, and I hit the dance floor like a missile. For the rest of the night, (If I don't partake in any other illicit substances) I return to the bar to get glasses of water and such, due to the amount of perspiration present on my body (Ever get the feeling that night clubs are just too damn hot?). My point is, that I don't go to these establishments or raves, to socialize (interpret as do the club communicado thing "What's up?" "How are you doing?" "Did you hear about who Jim is seeing?" "I can't believe how good this 'cid is?" etc. etc.) but rather to thoroughly enjoy myself on the dance floor and share that experience with friends. All to often I see hordes of people at raves just standing around the bar for the entire night, not partaking in any rave rituals (the dancing, feeling, transcending). For these people I feel sorry, because I think they are missing one of the purist energies one can find today, except for maybe pleasurable sex (uh oh now we are going to compare raving to love making). When I am right in front, and what seems like 100 strobes are destroying my retinas through closed eye lids, and the fat, ring modulated squares produce goose bumps on my skin, I can only describe that feeling as spiritual (I am an Atheist). I suppose there are those that this doesn't happen to, and to them I can only say, to each their own. Regards, E.M. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: drugs...drugs...drugs Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:39:58 -0500 (EST) not to make light of this whole thread, but man, who cares what the hell you do...i mean, arent we all in this for the pure love of the music??? {just a quick note before i am late for class} guys guys... lets face it...we all do what we want/have to do...some people will like it, some people won't...caffine, alcohol, acid, e, sobriety, whatever...there's always gonna be someone who doesn't like or understand what you are doing!!! lets not forget why we are in this scene, the MUSIC, right????? do what you want, have fun!!! if you love that beat, you love that beat!!! :) just have FUN, and BE CAREFUL!!! becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:38 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: MegaBEATS CD Here is some info on the "MegaBEATS" CD that is produced in England. This might be an alternative for those who cannot get their hands on the "choice" techno drum machines like 808/909 etc. Forwarded from EMUSIC-L: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Title: MEGA BEATS SAMPLE CD. Address: Patchworks Frederick House 211 Frederick Road, Hastings East Sussex TN35 5AU ENGLAND OVERVIEW: The authors of this CD mention that it is dedicated to "sample-mania" and they are right. It consists of drum-machines from 1980-90. The drum machines were mastered direct to DAT then transferred digitaly to CD. 30 drum machines have been sampled. Now the first thing I worried about was "what sounds had they left out?"...the answer: nothing! All the internal sounds and any extra sounds that the makers could get their hands on (from cards, eproms etc) were recorded off each machine. SOUND QUALITY: The sound quality is as good as the original machines, after all the master was a DAT recording live from the machines. About 3 or 4 of the 700+ sounds appear to have been clipped in the recording process, it could be the machines tho. The only hiss you hear is from the drum machines, if at all. In other words if you are not satisfied with the audio quality of any of the sounds from the CD the real thing will be exactly the same. WHAT'S ON IT: There are over 700 sounds, the CD is 73 minutes long. Each sound is played at least twice so you can get your levels together. Where a machine had additional controls such as "accent, snappy, ADSR" the guys may fiddle and may give you the obvious variations. For example the TR-808 kick/bass drum sound has about 4 variations...BOK, BOOOoood, BOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo.and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooo.............. Remember you get EVERY internal sound and (sometimes) card/rom/cart sounds they could find. The machines covered are... Roland CR78, R8, TR505, TR606, TR626, TR707, TR727, TR808, TR909 Boss DR550, DR55 Simmons KIT Yamaha RX21L, RX11, RX5 Linn 2, 9000 Akai XR10, XE8 Sequential TOM Casio RZ1 Korg KPR77, DDM110, DDM220, DDD1 Oberhim DMX Emu Drumulator Alesis HR-16, HR-16B Dr Bohm CONCLUSION: This CD is a "classic". Not only does it represent 10 years of the most popular drum machines used in the music industry, but it preserves all the internal sounds of these beasties for posterity. I only wish they had put the Alesis SR-16, D-4, Korg DS-1 & 3, Fairlight, Emu procussion...but then again that will be on their next CD right. Scott. _______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Fisher [scott@wapsy.uwa.oz] PH: [61] (09) 380 3574. _--_|\ N Department of Psychology / \ W + E University of Western Australia. Perth --> *_.--._/ S Nedlands, 6009. PERTH, W.A. v *** ERROR 144 - REBOOT? is a registered trademark of ENSONIQ Corp *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- End forwarded message [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:36:32 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Yeeow! I didn't realize how much of an avalanche this whole alcohol thing would generate. I should probably clarify something: When I responded to Carolyn's original request for an expla- nation, I tried to make it only that -- an explanation of why alcohol is frowned upon by some ravers. I should have added a disclaimer that these were not meant to carry any implicit moral messages with them. Failing that, I can see how I might have come off sounding like some sort of Just Say No stormtrooper. Apologies. Personally, I'm with those who pointed out that it's all in how you act. If what you do enhances your enjoyment of a rave without detracting from others', by all means, go for it! -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:58:14 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch): > Personally, I'm with those who pointed out that it's all in > how you act. If what you do enhances your enjoyment of a rave > without detracting from others', by all means, go for it! Whew! I guess this is exactly what I wanted to hear from people. Thanks, Ed! CaRoLyN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:19:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: drugs...drugs...drugs > >not to make light of this whole thread, but man, who cares what the hell you >do...i mean, arent we all in this for the pure love of the music??? Here's one vote for the music. I listen to techno anywhere I go:at home, in the car and try to keep up with new sound by blowing most of my money on techno CDs and vinyl. IMHO. For those of you who are promoting rave culture as a kind of movement, I see it to be a fairly short lived one by the way you are bickering over what a rave should and should not be. It will burn out and evolve to something else. Hopefully the popularity of the 'underground' dance party will remain. Curious how the term techno has grown out of style to be replaced by terms like hardcore, breakbeat, ambient, and now tribal all within a couple months. I see a change within about a year. Soon the masses will 'really' hook on to rave culture & the like and the ultra-alternative people will move on to the next new thing and it will be declared 'officially' dead like house and disco. Just a prediction NOT a prophesy, Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:16:47 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Subject: fellow ravers in Boston area Hey, if there is anyone on this network (or not) for the Boston area, I'd like to meet you. Rave scene is nonexistent at my school and less than nonexistent in my home state (I live in Vermont - no need to pity me) Anyhow, call me at (617) 493-2973, or send me e-mail at fort@ husc.harvard.edu. Also, if you are going to a rave/techno club and can give me a ride, please call me, I'd me more than happy to share the gas costs. Finally, I might possibly throw a small techno party (minirave?) in the near future. I'll keep ya all posted. This is the third time I have tried to send this message, and it's getting very frustrating. So, call me. PEACE. -Peter PS: fuck top-40 techno [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:31:59 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Subject: PS This is a continuation of previous letter. I'm going to NYC tomorrow morning and will stay till Sunday night. If someone gets this before 9AM Friday, and would be willing to get in touch with me and introduce me to the New York techno club scene, I'd be VERY psyched. So, if you live in NYC, my e-mail address is fort@husc.harvard.edu, please leave your name and phone number and I'll get in touch with you.THANX PEACE -Peter [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Eye Our Sea - IN PROGRESS Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:15:02 MST I'm sitting on IRC at the moment with Klorox and so far nobody is showing up. These speakers are going to waste! Get on here now! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:58 EST From: BIERBACH@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: unsubscribe [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 18:00:06 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: drugs...drugs...drugs > i mean, arent we all in this for the pure love of the music??? My first inclination was to say yes to this, but after thinking about it for awhile, I have to say no. Love of the music is a large part of why I'm in this, but my primary motivation is the vibe, the "ecstatic ritual" that I've mentioned before. The music is essential to creating a vibe, but so are the lights, the venue and the collective conscience of the crowd. It's the complete environment that does it for me. I'm into just about every kind of music there is (save elevator music, "Lite FM", and twangy syrupy country), but the only one I'm into 100% for the love of the music itself is classical. When I go to the symphony, I sit down, shut up, and give the music my undivided attention. Not the musicians, not the other concertgoers, not the lights, just the sounds. Even when I'm DJing, at least some fraction of my attention is devoted to how the crowd is reacting to what I'm playing, and whether a vibe is being created, providing a feedback loop into my selections of music and how I mix it. I normally only listen to things like the news in the car. Until recently I had no techno tapes in the car at all. Then, our esteemed Taylor{808,909,707,DC-10} gave me a couple of Toxic Beat Box tapes. While I remain enthralled at the incredible sounds these tapes con- tain, I still find myself thinking how much better they'd be with a rave wrapped around them. :-) And Taylor, we can't test that idea as long as your stuff is cassette only! Get it pressed on vinyl, man! All techno lovers who hear your stuff realize what a flat colorless world they lived in beforehand! -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Telnet link to IRC Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 16:23:58 MST Folks, the rave is raging. Telnet to bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu if you don't have an IRC client. Gotta get back to the floor. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:45:47 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Alcohol (Warning: Philosophy to follow) Alcohol is ubiquitous in this society. I can't go to a party without walking over drunk people, watching drunk people have bizarre psychodramas, or just curl up in a corner and start crying. As president of a fraternity, I got to see alot of my friends become maintenance drinkers and general alcoholics. When I go to clubs, the stench of beer and mixed drinks burns my nostrils, while drunk men and drunk women slip off to unexpected unprotected sex or right out date rape. One of the _prime_ reasons I go to Raves is that they are one of the few places I can have fun where alcohol is not a primary factor. If the Raves around here become exceedingly alcoholic, I am going to stop going. When we talk of "Unity," at least I am thinking of all kinds of people coming together, and experiencing the Rave culture: black, white, Asian, New Yorkers, southeners, everyone. They come together to experience the light and sound, and sip from the drugstore of the brain, not the bottle. And smartdrinks! I'm not going to go up to someone and say "Hey, you can't drink that." Infact, I can really understand someone wanted to get a little buzzed before dropping by a Rave. But I think alcohol, like the typical club pick-up line, and moshing, is not part of the Rave culture (note: Evidently it is elsewhere...) On a related note, I'm curious what you guys think of the topless dancers in g-strings at the Masquerave...(definately a dance killer, but interesting nonetheless, maybe more appropriate in chill-out room). Overheard at Masquerave: Him: "Got some hits, mahn?" Me: "No, but I have Sweet Tarts and Spree..." -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 05 Nov 1992 23:09:23 -0400 (EDT) From: JONESLI@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: drugs? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 05 Nov 1992 23:23:56 -0400 (EDT) From: JONESLI@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: bounced it back to me...try #2 From: IN%"postmaster@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU" "PMDF Mail Server" 5-NOV-1992 22:48:37.74 To: IN%"postmaster@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU", IN%"JONESLI@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU" CC: Subj: Undeliverable mail: SMTP delivery failure Return-path: Received: from ACFcluster.NYU.EDU by ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (PMDF #2884 ) id <01GQT571MQR4A3IBR8@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU>; Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:48:21 EDT Date: 05 Nov 1992 22:48:21 -0400 (EDT) From: PMDF Mail Server Subject: Undeliverable mail: SMTP delivery failure To: postmaster@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU, JONESLI@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Message-id: <01GQT571MQR6A3IBR8@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID I3zCdgT2Ms1GrXHEUqEzMA)" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT --Boundary (ID I3zCdgT2Ms1GrXHEUqEzMA) The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu Remote system's reason for rejecting: /usr/guests/jna/ne-raves: line 165: oundland.rs.itd.umich.edu... User unknown --Boundary (ID I3zCdgT2Ms1GrXHEUqEzMA) Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Received: from ACFcluster.NYU.EDU by ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (PMDF #2884 ) id <01GQT4S5A8N4A8FIUK@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU>; Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:44:14 EDT Date: 05 Nov 1992 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: JONESLI@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: drugs? To: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu Message-id: <01GQT4S5ARXEA8FIUK@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hmmmm....i've been reading all of this back and forth discussion on alcohol & drugs and...maybe it's because i'm still a neophyte at raves (went to a few in sf this summer and mask-a-rave here in nyc was my first in this area....good, but not great) but, honestly, none of this (drinking or drug taking) has ever bothered me, or even crossed my mind before this. ok, so i 'm naive, maybe....but what i fell in love with the rave culture for was the "ecstatic experience." it is more than the music. to lose myself....to forget/not be aware of where i end and EVERYTHING else begins...i have only been able to have this experience when being surrounded by nature, before attending a rave and i had thought that this lovely little experience could never happen with any type of "civilization"....and then there were raves!!!! i was able to slightly lose myself into the music and the scene at mask-a-rave, but not really....for a variety of reasons....but i still had fun. so i guess i'm just saying that i've never let it bother me before....(but i've also not had any really negative experiences either)....just let myself go and experience whatever was around... we're all part of the rave, whether we're tripping on drugs/alcohol or just the scene..... lisa --Boundary (ID I3zCdgT2Ms1GrXHEUqEzMA)-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:29:00 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: drugs...drugs...drugs > not to make light of this whole thread, but man, who cares what the hell you > do...i mean, arent we all in this for the pure love of the music??? > > lets not forget why we are in this scene, the MUSIC, right????? I go to raves because of the music. But -- there are people who go to raves for whom the music is only secondary -- people who go because they know they will be surrounded by nice, friendly people with a positive attitude -- people who go because a rave is a cool place to see friends that they don't get to see that often. Ecstasy is often a big part of these people's rave experience, and these people are usually very friendly and add to the positive atmosphere at a rave. Just because the music isn't the main draw for some people doesn't mean that their presence at a rave is less valid than anyone else's. They are just enjoying the rave in a different way. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Cosmic Trip in Cleveland tonight Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 8:05:31 EST hey everyone, you can meet up with net greats MIKE BROWN (satan, runner of the alt.rave.imaga archive. orb collector) TODD SINES (enhanced synth hack. etc....) and DAMIAN HIGGINS (inventor of the toaster-synthesizer and rEact clothing) at C O S M I C T R I P tonight at the SMART BAR at 1575 merwin ave... look for me, todd. i will be wearing a bright yellow windbreaker with large hood, and an orange winter hat... also with some jive shirt or whatever.... i will point you out to the rest. i will be looking forward to seeing anyone from the area.... gate is the pulse, the controlled voltage supplies the multitude of notes..... sines [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:37 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Alcohol >On a related note, I'm curious what you guys think of the topless >dancers in g-strings at the Masquerave...(definately a dance killer, >but interesting nonetheless, maybe more appropriate in chill-out >room). I think it would be better for them to be in the chill-out room on pedastals or something. It would be neat to do something with the intellibeams like shine dark blue flowers and patterns on them. It could be beautiful. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 09:58:37 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Thanx to Carolyn, Camper, and Taylor for answering my message. I'll be at the NASA rave(?) tonight, so I won't be able to see ya guys at Axis. But I'll be there next week (I'm there about every other week) Maybe I'll see you guys there (by the way, how can I identify 'ne-ravers'? PEACE -Peter [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 10:57:01 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu The previous message bounced so here it goes again. Thanx to Carolyn, CAmper, and Taylor for answering my message. I'll be at the NASA rave(?) tonight, so I won't be able to see ya guys at Axis tonight. But I'll be there next week and I'll be at Venus the week after. Give me a buzz (e-mail or phone) if you're going. Also, if anyone's going to the LIFE rave talk to me for god's sake. Anyhow, maybe I'll see some ne-ravers next week. PEACE -Peter (Ze Krazy Czek) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:20:29 EST From: conway@cipr-server.MGH.Harvard.Edu (Kevin Conway) Subject: LIFE I intend going to LIFE and as far as I know( I haven't been paying as close attention as I should ) it's now going down in Worcester. Is this correct and does any one have any more info ? Does anyone know why they moved it from Boston and what problems they encountered in trying to stage it here, yours in complete ignorance, kac --- * --- conway@cipr-server.harvard.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:17:33 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) > From fort@husc.harvard.edu Fri Nov 6 10:07:38 1992 > Maybe I'll see you guys there (by the way, how can I identify 'ne-ravers'? > > PEACE -Peter > You can identify some of us, thanks to Laura and Taylor, by our NE-RAVES badges. Green and Pink with NE-RAVES written on them and some defraction grating for good measure. :0 see y'all at life. dave [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:25:55 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Alcohol > From tedwards@wam.umd.edu Thu Nov 5 20:55:39 1992 > On a related note, I'm curious what you guys think of the topless > dancers in g-strings at the Masquerave...(definately a dance killer, > but interesting nonetheless, maybe more appropriate in chill-out > room). I'm really gonna start to sound bad now. First my stance on alcohol, now this. I wasn't there to see these dancers, but I'd have to say that considering what a spiritual experience raving is, I'd almost find those dancers offensive and pretty tacky if you ask me. I mean, I'm a red-blooded American male (yuck!), and I certainly would enjoy watching them :), but at a rave? Now I don't know how these women looked. It could have been done very tastefully and it could have been non-offensive. It just seems less like community of the people and love of the music and more like "look at the naked girlies on the stage!" I think that at a rave, the community of the people is more important that focusing on the sexuality of a few pedastalled dancers. Go ahead, flame me. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:43:35 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: drugs...drugs...drugs > From ebh@mink.att.com Thu Nov 5 19:16:17 1992 > While I remain enthralled at the incredible sounds these tapes con- > tain, I still find myself thinking how much better they'd be with a > rave wrapped around them. :-) If any of you care. (too bad, I'm gonna tell you anyway. ;) ) I originally got into raving SOLEY because of the music. It moved me to a higher plane. Listening to this music is indeed a spiritual experience for me. I love the people and the lights and all, but the music, that's what it's all about for me. When Onionz plays a deep groove set for a good hour or two, I'm completely lost and entranced by the music. The rest of my environment is pretty irrelevant. There's so many types of techno out there and so much of it is good quality, I could never be bored. I listen to techno at work, in the car, at home and then on the weekends at raves. Pathetic, eh? God, I love this stuff. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:54:56 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (taking drugs to make music to take drugs to) Subject: when is life again? I didn't save my rave-o-matic. Is life THIS weekend or NEXT weekend??? /joe [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:06 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: when is life again? You might be able to grab a copy of this week's Rave-O-Matic off the ftp site for ne-raves. I don't know if it's there because I didn't look, though. LIFE is NEXT WEEKEND in Worcester. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:35:25 CST From: cermak@stolaf.edu (Todd D Cermak) Subject: Dun-duh.. Well, I think we can all agree on the conclusion that drugs (whether it be alcohol, acid, ecstacy, what have you..) can be harmful, or frowned upon, if used in excess in one way or another. Hmmm, haven't we heard that somewhere before? Anyways.. It would be interesting to note if perhaps the use of LSD is on the incline because of "rave" culture. I mean, did people who attend raves now take acid before raves were ever held? Have raves, in turn, introduced people to drugs? Just a thought. Drop, drop, drop a beat. -Todd ..cermak@stolaf.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:50:12 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: love of music? First of all, some of you may not agree with me right here, but anyway... hardcore techno (most of it) is not music. Most of the tribal and even alot of the trance I hear is not music (to me). There is a difference between rhythmical innovation and musical innovation. I see these kinds of techno as a way to induce a trance. I am not saying that this non-musical techno is bad however. THis is also a reason why I am so anti-hardcore. Just a drum track and a 2 note bassline may really get people in a spiritual state, but not for me...when there is music mixed in (actual chords, or melody) then I too am elevated to that spiritual state. There was talk a few days ago about keeping techno non-commercial by leaving out vocals or melody. if this ever totally happens, I'm sorry to say I won't be listening to techno anymore. I'm not here to say 'hardcore sucks', just 'I like the music [my definition] in techno, because...' He-Ne dreams and cybernetic wishes, digital druid 'dedicated to all the bores, to all the whores that forced the laws you thought that we'd stop dancing, and you were wrong' pwei [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:58:54 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: netnews question i am trying to save something off pf alt.rave. i type 's' and it says saved to mbox /..../News/alt.rave but hen i can't find this. pleade help. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (do you understand?) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:56:46 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Erotica vs. Pornagraphy ~ Raves I;'m not feeling too articulate right now so forgive me if this is a bit vague.. The issue about the dancers brings up an interesting point.. When news of the British/European rave experience first began to filter into the dance party circles here in San Francisco,one of the first groups of people to pich up on the sheeroverload experience of the sound was the sexual underground,which here in SF is rather a large community. House music was integrated into a party scene that (for the most part positively ...) already had a large sexual component..This was great..and I doubt if many would argue that erotica within the context of a large-totally chaotic party was offensive or degrading to women..(This is a key issue here..Even though I'm a guy..and one that enjoys looking at,or dancing with..women more than with guys.. I think a key issue is the ratio of women to guys who are paid to dance partially clothed or nude..I think it is exploitative if it is only women who are naked.. Follow that?) In fact, I think that most 'raves' are too 'smooth' ..or too lacking in a sexual contingent... I don't know if this is different in Europe.. But I think the rave scene could benefit from more earth-centered, positive sexual imagery... It would make it more balanced.. I'm not talking about people groping each other on the dance floor,but perormance or visual imagery that conveys positive sexual images.. Does this make sense...? Maybye I'm just on a soapbox here but I think the new administration offers a golden opportunity to heal ourselves of some of the attitudes that have burdened our generation for so long.. Comments? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 14:13 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: groupie music review #1 Ed writes about ne-raver Taylor's project Toxic Beat Box: > From ebh@mink.att.com Thu Nov 5 19:16:17 1992 > While I remain enthralled at the incredible sounds these tapes con- > tain, I still find myself thinking how much better they'd be with a > rave wrapped around them. :-) Oh yeah! Toxic Beat Box is a meld of industrial and acid/trance techno styles, but not exactly. It has the energy of hardcore, the aura of industrial, the fat warped sounds of acid, and the groove of trance. The industrial aura is not one of anger -- rather it is sort of a William-Gibson-fan-ish approach to technology and the future. The most recognizable feature of a Toxic Beat Box song is the use of spoken word samples. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:31:44 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: Erotica vs. Pornagraphy ~ Raves >Maybye I'm just on a soapbox here but I think the new administration >offers a golden opportunity to heal ourselves of some of the >attitudes that have burdened our generation for so long.. > Comments? I think tipper [gore] would beg to differ with you on that point. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:47:23 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Erotica vs. Pornagraphy ~ Raves > From ccat@netcom.com Fri Nov 6 16:24:11 1992 > more earth-centered, positive sexual imagery... It would make it more > balanced.. I'm not talking about people groping each other on the dance > floor,but perormance or visual imagery that conveys positive sexual images.. > Does this make sense...? > > Maybye I'm just on a soapbox here but I think the new administration > offers a golden opportunity to heal ourselves of some of the > attitudes that have burdened our generation for so long.. > Comments? > [steps on soapbox] You make a good point. It is so intertwined in our society that female public nudity is OK and male public nudity is less or even not acceptable. This premise has it's roots in centuries of male/female perception/relations. It's OK to put women in a position of compromise or vunerability, but not a man. This is exactly why I responded so harshly in my original post regarding the women dancers at the rave in DC. People (men and women) certainly have the right to do what they will including getting paid to dance naked at a club or a rave, but I just want to impress the importance of the underlying message that it re-enforces in alot of heads. That is, putting women in positions of objectivity. THat feeling of equality and community is one of the things I really appreciate about the rave community. The typical (going back to this subject) drinking, pick up/meat market feeling that you get at a club or a party is absent. There are no explotive, sexual or other associated negative vibes when I'm raving. Don't confuse this with love and two people connecting. I'll be one to say, THAT'S GREAT, but it's the negative explotive feelings I resist. OK, now I rambing. Love thy raver [steps off soapbox] dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: netnews question Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 17:15:41 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Ok, here's how it works on mine... If you type save, it saves it in ~/News/Alt.rave ~ is your home directory...so it might not actually be in your mbox directory. Do you have a News directory--netnews should make one in your home directory. When you type s to save something, it either a) creates the file Alt.rave if it didn't exist, or b) if it exists, it appends the file to the end of Alt.rave You can later edit the file later....mine's huge cause I saved the Alt.rave FAQ in it so I could read it later... Mainly though, the News directory should be in your home directory, and not your mbox or mail directory (i assume that's what mbox is) So, I hope that helps, if you have any other questions, I should be able to ask them... -John P.S. thanks for the dye hint...i'm going blue tonight! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:30:21 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: tonight... So, what's everyone doing tonight? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:53:48 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: tonight... On Fri, 6 Nov 1992, Carolyn Shin wrote: > > So, what's everyone doing tonight? well, i was going to work here in the AI lab. better suggestions? what are you doing? any exciting goings-on in boston? Loft? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: tonight... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 17:53:53 EST going to COSMIC TRIP with mike brown and titonton duvante to see damian higgins (dieseLboy) spin at the SMART BAR>>>> look for me: orange or black silly looking hat, a bright yellow hooded windbreaker, and a black 26 red shirt.... sines ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: tonight... Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 16:18:40 MST > So, what's everyone doing tonight? Going to a bachelor party. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:25:41 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: The Prodigy Experience one little note.... The Prodigy Experience is totally incredible...... kill for it.... Mike dr.slammin' [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 06 Nov 1992 17:15:44 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: tresor's berlin 1992 comp. well folks.. i just picked up Tresor's Berlin 1992 "the sound of berlin" cd at my local tower records. it's domestik. $13 or whatever.. wow. if anyone is looking for inexpensive (domestik) techno on disc. i HIGHLY recommend this. it's total trancey, acid, blipcore. i can't get enough of it. spacey, blippy perfektion. and plenty of square waves for the whole net. good trance stuff is hard to find on cd... most of the domestik comps are either a big mix, or some kind of breakbeat or belgian type stuff. not this one. i can't say enough about this.. i'm totally geeked. (so geeked in fact that i had to let out my excitement somewhere) >>taylor909 [ square wave fetishist ] pulses pulses pulses pulses ..patterns of digital pulses.. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 06 Nov 1992 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: rave sex i find that even clothed people can put off an incredible ammount of sexual energy in the way that they dance. i didn't see the nude dancers... that started this discussion...but when you do have mude females up there like that it can definitely tend to be either cheesy or exploitive...i'm not against the idea of having nude dancers..if it's done in some sort of happy way...how? i don't know...but, if it's done poorly, it's just way too degrading to be n-joi-ed. i like it when there are pedestals or something that any random raver can jump up on and dance... though, someone i think had the idea of projecting intellabeams or something like that on nude bodies..and yes, that could be quite beautiful. skin is beautiful. if it's placed in the proper setting (maybe even have someone construkt some kind of garden type setting at a rave..really fantastikal and beautiful) then it can be recognized as beautiful, and not rude. i actually think that it would be cool to have a construkted "set" for dancers at a rave...clothed or not. male and female... it could be quite mesmerizing. >>taylor808 808 pixel screen 808 kick wave square wave fetishist (our ideas and thoughts can be stored as patterns of digital electronic pulses) ...pulses. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 06 Nov 1992 19:50:45 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: groupie music review #1 wow. thank you laura.... i'm really touched here. i log on..and find a really nice paragraph about my tape. :) makes me an even happier raver than i was B4. and hey...while i'm getting good reviews here...if anyone is interested in hearing this stuff you can always e-mail me with your address and get a havoc music catalog (sneaker-net address that is)...all of my music and projekts are in there.. also, look out within the next couple of months for the Havoc Music/ne-raves compilation tape.. featuring songs from all participating ne-raver musicians. keep your optiks open for an update soon on everyone who'll be involved.. thanks again laura. :) :) :) >>taylor808 leave your body leave your mind divine 909 the perfekt rhythm the perfekt state of mind sleep now. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 23:02 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Erotica vs. Pornagraphy ~ Raves . . . >That feeling of equality and community is one of the things I really appreciate >about the rave community. The typical (going back to this subject) drinking, >pick up/meat market feeling that you get at a club or a party is >absent. There are no explotive, sexual or other associated negative vibes >when I'm raving. Excellent point. Raves are an excellent place to let loose and not give a shit about what people think of you. Ravers can be as wild&crazy or as "normal" as they want to be without being judged. I remember the not-too-long- ago times of going to clubs (single) and trying to find someone to talk to, or dance with, etc., without there being pretenses that I was trying to pick someone up or whatever. The thing I love about raves is you can dance with whom you want, share backpack goodies, give and receive compliments, and totally be yourself. No pressure to make an impression, remember a name, get a number. I used to work for an Online service where I would meet people every day being who they were (or even who they weren't .) This electronic medium gives us a forum to express without judgment except for what we say. Readers of these lists don't apply social filters to what people are saying. In the real world meeting people face to face it can be easy to screen out things or read different meanings (your own confabulations) into what people say if you can see they they are black, or gay, or handicapped, or "weird" looking, or don't speak your language. I see raves in very much the same light where, unlike a club, almost everyone is there for the experience of exploring music and their own feelings and reactions towards it. While it is still social in many cases, the pressure to *BE* social is not there. Ironically, I see more people BEING social than they probably would be if they were in a club. Gosh, enough from me. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | |\/\/\/| | | | | Eric McCormick | | | | | | | (%)(%) 0004775674@mcimail.com | | C _) | | !| ,___| | | | / "Improving life through perfect code." | | /____\ | | / Rave \ | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 01:00:04 EST From: Susan Kameny Subject: No subject Did anyone see the cheezy entertainment tonight package on smart drinks tonight ?...it was strange...the fda is thinking of regulating them (oh-no) and that th ey serve them at L92, clubs, and "rave parties"...what was ET trying to do or e xplain or what...comments?...Oh at masquarave I had a silly thought..."we shoul d be thankful for the demise of the U.S. economy because it has given us a plet hora of empty warehouses to rave in..."...while on the topic...I didn't see the naked dances but what they were describing sounds to me like go-go dancing whi ch is popular in some dance clubs...I suppose this kinda distracted people and can add or subtract to the rave...maybe we should all take off our clothes and rave...it was cool to meet some UMD-raves and others...thanx for the excellent pre-rave phred...anyone going to def-con?...e-mail me and we'll chat...party on ...susie [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 22:22:21 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: No subject >...maybe we should all take off our clothes and rave... Howbout THAT for breaking down mind barriers! ;) There was a small half-rave-half-club last week here, where the entrance was $15, or $10 "au natural"... didn't go myself, but I heard it was fun... Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Lee Weaver Subject: Re: Dun-duh.. On Fri, 6 Nov 1992, Todd D Cermak wrote: > because of "rave" culture. I mean, did people who attend raves now take acid > before raves were ever held? Have raves, in turn, introduced people to > drugs? Just a thought. > > Drop, drop, drop a beat. > > -Todd > ..cermak@stolaf.edu > For me, the answer is a resounding "No." A lot of my friends when I was in high school were 'true dead-heads.' Some others were dealers in acid, x, or anything else they could get their hands on. I didn't (and still don't) fit into either group as I haven't tried any drugs at all. However, I have no problem with drug use for purposes of enjoyment, as long as it doesn't stem from some sort of physiological (or possibly, psychological) need. Anyways, the 'rave culture' has only showed me a third possible motive for partaking in any mind-altering chemicals, the enhancement of the entire experience. Becoming one with the music and taking the harsh edge off of reality so that 'true' enjoyment is more possible. These are only my judgements based on a few others' experiences. If I'm wrong, I'm sure that I'll hear about it. adam lee weaver [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Cosmic Trip in Cleveland last night... Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 16:02:15 EST last night was cosmic trip in cleveland. this is gonna be kind of long cause i am incredibly bored at the computer lab and i don't feel like studying. mike brown shows up at my house around 6:15. we listen to the new moby single and fuck off for a bit, then we embark on our journey to get mike's contact lens case. we go to his house. i log in and check my mail. meanwhile, he is playing th remix of debbie gibson's electric youth--> i just now realize that altern8 used the same 303 line in armageddon. wow. we are then on our way to the continent, a mall at the northern tip of columbus that has a bunch of little shops and expensive clothing stores. we immediately go to sunsports, and all of us (mike brown, myself, and titonton duvante--my roommate and bandmate) are peaking out on the t-shirts they have... a bunch of split, fresh jive, stussy, world industries, and other skate companies.. we try on this shirt that shirt. titonton gets this dope split shirt.. i say, "that shirt,, is something else..." mike and i get the same FJ fresh jive shirt except his is tan and mine is black. after all of that, we then get some food. i had a indian combination platter. mike has a steak sandwich, and titonton eats hush puppies. FINALLY, after titonton is done gawking and chasing after a bunch of high school girls (he is 21), we get on 71 north and make our way up to cleveland. we listen to the tapes that david applegate sent of mark e quark from san diego mixing.. god, that guy is smooth.... i am rather impressed. because of titonton's silliness, i have to give him the "johny cuts" nickname because all he does with the cassette is cut back and forth between the am noise and the cassette. it sounds really live, but it is funnier than anything. mike brown get the "curly-b" nickname for his little dreadlocked curls... we arrive in cleveland at 11:45. i go up and hear a bunch of dope breakbeat techno. guess who is spinning>? dieselBoy.... we say hi, etc... i haven't seen the mf for over three months... it feels good.. i meet up with a bunch of my old friends from high school... as well as some guys from olmstead--kevin cunningham. he is such the raving nut. few people are as silly as he is.. i also see kelly pickens, who is damian's girlfriend. i can't believe how happy i was... seeing old friends, etc i also met a whole bunch of new cats.. hooked up some lucrative deals for a rave in december at a children's palace... i realize how FUCKING GOOD damian is.. he has been mixing for the most, maybe 6 months. doesn't own his own decks (this was the guy who thought he was gonna mix with a few CD players a few months ago) and he is one of the smoothest dj's i have heard there. in fact, i can't think of seeing a better dj at the smart bar. he is THAT GOOD. the night went on and on...i danced like fool with titonton--> this includes giving him a piggy back ride, stealing each others winter hats, rolling on each others backs, rolling around on the floor, having mock seizures, and acting out all of the songs... >>WE ARE DUMB!!!<< otherwise, i meet up with tareq from cas western reserve, i meet marla kammer (again) and also golden boy from the cleveland Free net.. talk to a lot of people about our shit, their shit.... god, what fun i had... before we knew it, it was 4 am and people were exiting the club... mike brown got a few pictures of us during the night...we said our goodbyes and went on the road back to columbus (sucked cause it was snowing again..) and we eventually got back in columbus at 7 am. mike spent the night and i had to work at 11 am. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i had probably one of the best times in my life. there was such a good vibe going on, it was unbelievable. the music was the shit, the people were generally happy, and it seems like cleveland and ohio for that matter could hang with having more of these positive events as such... thanks and peace to: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ damian higgins ** little al'x ** mike brown ** kris kersey ** kelly pickens ** sarah ** danielle ** hal evey ** tareq ** golden boy ** marla kammer ** titonton duvante ** all the mother fuckers out at the smart bar last night... and all of you out there in net land for the inspirations and peace and lovism- sines ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: body release and enhanced Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 17:38:35 EST those of you who have been interested (even a little) in body release in the past should read this: the past few months have been very TURBULENT in the status of body release. a brief history: my last official posting about our band was probably about the demo tapes that we made. we were also attempting to get gigs out of state, some on the west coast, some on the east coast, texas, canada...etc. what has happened since then: (the agony of body release) we played on 24 july 92 at the smart bar in cleveland, ohio to a crowd of maybe 600 or more... we got jipped $100 cause we played two extra songs (and therefore, according to the owner, lost her crowd). we then played the following wednesday at 700 on the day of the cleveland lollapalooza, so we had maybe 100 people show up. the next week, we played in ft wayne, indiana. the crowd was about 200. we had the worst set of our life cause the sound fuck head was too interested in creating little zig zag patterns with the mixing console and graphic equilizer...turning up microphones and stray lines we didn;t use to create even more noise... etc. the day after, we were about to play at the monster rave in chicago, which, coincidentally got busted, so we went home. on the 28 of august 92, mel ske dred booked orgas from akron and us to go play at the r tyme / final call rave. it was hyped as being a three day rave, it was gonna be really fucking big, huge, 20,000 people. etc..and when we got there, the total amount of people during the day amounted to about..... 40 people. we went home, one guy in our band was cooked from all the acid he did, and he was a total turtle laying on his back in the sun....(read as *USELESS*) so we had to drive the entire trip from WISCONSIN (we were about 10 minutes from there) to columbus, ohio between my ex girlfriend amy and i... it sucked. we then played 10 sept 92 at the metropolis. we were booked with playing with orgas again, plus dj's mike gallicchio and kevy kev were coming up from cleveland to spin that night as well. well. about 75 to 100 people showed up, the promoter didn;t do barely any promotion and didn't pay us, as well as the same cooked guy remembering as we drove into cleveland that he forgot his disks in columbus. and one of the dj's showed up at 1:30, after the entire thing happened...he was pulled over... things were not looking good. we had some really lame ass gigs and we weren't concentrating on the demo tape at all. i neglected to send posts about what the state was for i had figured it would just be a few more days or weeks and then everything would be alright. our next gig turned out to be a smash. we played in a bar called cedar's in youngstown on 25 september 92. we have i think near 400 (maybe a little less) and the crowd was really into the music that was going on...which always feels good when you consider the show to be really lame. we had such a hellish ride there and we were really pushing our limits on our way back... shortly before this gig, we recorded a live DAT of our stuff. we had been waiting to record a few more songs, but it seems like an eternal wait... i then decided that it would be the best time for me to quit the band.. i was fed up with all the shit that mike did, and i was tired of doing all the work with loading, packing, promoting when other people were getting high and ripped. so for a while, i was out of the band and i was determined to do something. i had been waiting for a chance to do something else other than the usual. then i started to reevaluate my judgement... i thought that i was really trashing a lot of stuff and a lot of good possibilities. working with these guys brought a lot of anger between us, but so many good things came out of it.. i really liked playing with them and it made me feel good. titonton then bought a juno 106 with a 3 tier stand. concurrently though, his ensoniq eps has been in the shop for well over a month... so we haven't been able to do too much without it. we have been using our korg dsm-1 a lot for charles' stuff, and i am getting my esq.1 next week. which helps out A LOT>> so our demo is still up in the air, i would like to get more shit going on.. and one of the guys keeps his interest only if the band is gonna get signed...otherwise, it is back to his crack and other drugs. we had thought of attempting to replace him with someone else but we are just mainly concerned with getting our shit back together in an orderly fashion, smoothly, and we want to begin our quest of making our music accessible to more people. this includes playing out more and getting our stuff released (someone said they heard that we were signed to PLUS 8...haha. not us...) so this is the topic being addressed.. i guess i want to contact some people on the east coast area, as well as people in chicago to hook up with about promoters as well as labels. i know that radio play would be good too, so there you go... sines ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:43:14 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Ultraworld Xcursion Ultraworld Xcursion presents: J o u r n e y t o t h e M i l k y R a v e Saturday, November 21, 1992 Baltimore, MD Djs Scott Henry - Baltimore Jason Jinx - NYC Josh Wink - Philly Neuromancer - DC Bobble - Baltimore Proctile - DC Sun - Annapolis Boarding Passes Available at Modern Music Baltimore (410) 523-1882 Music Now Washington (202) 638-3272 $10 in Advance, $13 at the door Smart drinks by Neuro Energy Raveware by nuclear Kiss, Lucid V Experience Moon Dancing in the Gyrobix Anti-Gravity Simulator Zap out with Syncro Energize's Virtual Reality Ultraworld Xcursions Rave line: (410) 563-7880 [Note: The 1st Ultraworld was very good. These promoters can do a rave. - Rob] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 14:44:11 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Pre-rave party (New Year's Eve) I've like to host another ne-raves pre-rave party for the New Year's Eve Catastrophic Rave. It's a couple of months away, but at least it allows for some time to plan it. I know the weather really sucks around this time of year, and it might be very difficult to drive to DC. One idea is an I-95 bus from Boston to DC with stops along the way to pick everyone up. Does anyone know about organizing bus trips to raves? I'd like to find a unique space to hold the rave, but intimate enough so everyone could feel comfortable. If anyone is interested in DJing, Please let me know. I'm going to bring the Mandala, which is a video-based VR system. I know some Def-Con engineers who have built some fantastic lasers. Would you be up for another pre-rave party? - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 17:46:03 -0500 From: jeff@ursa-major.spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic) Subject: Re: No subject I saw the ET segment - thought that it was pretty much par for the course. That is, it hyped up the potential danger and didn't really give any context. I doubt anyone on this list would be suprised that the pop media isn't really interested in what's going on, but is simply taking advantage of the situation to produce shallow controversy in pursuit of higher ratings. For the record, I think that people *should* be concerned about what they're drinking when they gulp down some "smart" drink. Some brands use lots of caffeine and dextrose to provide a rush, and this is not only useless for sustained activity, but also potentially dangerous. And the effectiveness of many "cognitive enhancers" on the market is doubtful. On the other hand, I do think that certain substances may be effective as safe energy boosters or cognitive enhancers (e.g. Ginko extract, ephedra, hydergine, possibly piracetam) I just don't want the men in blue telling me what i can and can't put in my body. I prefer to learn and decide for myself. It'd be nice if there was more intelligent, thoughtful reporting going on, and I do see signs that things are turning that corner, but right now I spend too much of my time angry at the half-truths I see and hear every day. Sigh. Erwige blumencraft, Jeff [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 19:35:47 EST please put me on your e-mailing list. "shhh" coen 410 memorial dr. cambridge, ma. 02139 sscoen@athena.mit.edu thanx u munch munch, munch, munch. footnote from reality: FDA is investigating this "new fad" of smart drinks as "possibly hazardous to your health." the FDA still calls herbal medicine harmful and mysterious. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 07 Nov 1992 21:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: UForb hey all you ambient/trance fetishists: log off of your machine and run to your nearest record store and pick up a copy of UF-orb... fo a limited time the cd actually comes with 2 cds...over 2 hours of the most mindblowing soothing music ever. and for the price of a regular old cd. so, whattya waitin' for? (gosh, isn't this the second "go out and buy this cd now" message from me in 24 hours?) >>taylor909 :::he's not a guy, he's a machine::: / de-aktivated / [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: UForb Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 3:32:36 EST > log off of your machine and run to your nearest record store and pick up a > copy of UF-orb... Hey, guess what! An unscrupulous record store around here which shall remain nameless except to say that their products are neither cheap nor thrilling was actually selling this beast last Saturday, a full three days prior to its November 3 street date. Shame, shame, shame! (But I can be unscrupulous too, and had no qualms about buying it then... :-) Then today, I picked up the *domestic* limited edition vinyl in green opaque plastic, identical in contents to the import version wrapped in blue plastic. (Well, at least I think so -- I have no intention of open- ing mine. I'll be comparing notes with owners of the import forthwith.) > (gosh, isn't this the second "go out and buy this cd now" message from me in > 24 hours?) Yes, it is, and the wise will heed these messages. I also picked up the Tresor comp you recommended, and it's *amazing*. For those who haven't bought this yet, to quote Drukman, You Need It. Obligatory Toxic Beat Box praise: Today I played the tape for a carload of people who are not involved in techno at all save that they might have heard JBID in a club. They were immediately smitten beyond all hope of return. (Add superlatives normally heard when people discover something truly exceptional poking its head above the mundane mass.) We now return to your regularly scheduled ne-raves traffic, like making plans for LIFE, lest this forum look too much like alt.rave, which these days should be called rec.music.orb. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:23:34 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: Erotica vs. Pornagraphy ~ Raves Yeah, agree. I guess if I were to plan a rave I wouldn't put nude dancers in. I wouldn't pay anybody to dance, that's what we the ravers go for, nobody has to pay us. Hey sometimes I get so happy and so hot I want to take my clothes off and dance at a rave... I guess I'd just want it to be happy and no-pressure and fun. Sex is great, I guess I just like to keep it pure, innocent at a rave... unexploitive, I mean. No facades. :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 08 Nov 1992 19:30:35 -0400 (EDT) From: p r u n e Subject: About Tipper Gore... >>Maybye I'm just on a soapbox here but I think the new administration >>offers a golden opportunity to heal ourselves of some of the >>attitudes that have burdened our generation for so long.. >> Comments? From: IN%"hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu" "Hani W Akhras" 6-NOV-1992 16:44:13.33 >I think tipper [gore] would beg to differ with you on that point. OK...I'm not about to defend Tipper Gore, but my understanding was that _she_, personally, was against censorship. I can't say as much for some of the PMRC supporters, though. The controversy concerned the placing of a rating system on the record industry, similar to the film industry's G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17, BJ-69. ;) However, MTV (subsidiary of Time-Warner, owner of Warner Bros. Records and its subsidiaries) and others have distorted Gore's message to imply that she was for censorship, painting her as a born-again, not-quite-grown-up-again fundamentalist, which she definitely isn't. I don't support the PMRC, but it concerns me how the record industry was able to synthesize a controversy and mindfuck as many people in order to defend their companies' profits. Think about it! How many of our opinions are manufactured by others with the power to do so for their private gain? I think we can possibly draw parallels between this and the Bush administration's brainwashing of the American public in order to prepare the country for the Texaco War...oops, wrong oil company. But don't take my word for it; make up your own mind. BTW, if you want to talk about censorship, MTV had an animation contest about a year ago called "World Problems and Solutions". If you watch any MTV at all, I'm sure you've seen some of the clips. My storyboard submission concerned the problems caused by television. It began with text being typed on a screen, saying: Take charge! Improve yourself! Turn off your TV right now. Silence and no action for about 15 seconds. It ended with the additional words at the bottom: OK, it's your life. Your guess as to whether the panel ever took this piece seriously, or was even allowed to by its employers. p r u n e RIT Roch. NY, home of Kodak, Jolt Cola, and many other artificial chemical substances. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 23:24:06 EST From: MR. Boy Subject: re: Cosmic Trip in Cleveland last night... >because of titonton's silliness, i have to give him the "johny cuts" nickname >because all he does with the cassette is cut back and forth between the am >noise and the cassette. it sounds really live, but it is funnier than anything. yeah, man. that shit is fun. especially if you have no real equipment whatsoever; or access to it. here's what i do: take my sister's old stereo (double cassette deck, turntable, and tuner) turn on WAMH's (amherst college) house/techno show (which is mostly bullshit, but some cool stuff). stick in a hipHop mix tape. slap one (of the few) A-List records i have on the TT (de la soul, stetsasonic, 808 state), and proceed to mix between the three in a quasi-random fashion. fun stuff!! i call my mixes: techno/house mix mix mix :) re the alcohol/drug thread, in the words of digital underground: doowutchyalike! just before a rave my fuel for the nite consists of a reeses peanut butter cup and a litre of Jolt. (lollipops and water during the nite). see ya all at LIFE ! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Donato Miranda "you have an eargasm as you start to consume daytime------> donato@applix.com the ghetto beat..." nite|weekend-> damir@wpi.wpi.edu - tribe called QUeST dance while the record spins. anybody feel like falling? ------------------------------co0l basE--------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:24:11 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Joey Chan Subject: what do you tink... To all those ravers out there: I was in a bar the other night, having a friendly discussion with a friend of mine about ecstasy. She told me that for about the first half-hour of her high, she felt severely depressed (for no particular reason). This has never happened to me, and was wondering if any of you have had a similar reaction. It seems that it has happened to quite a few of her friends who have done it, but I have never heard of this happening to anyone I know. I donUt think it has to do with the particualr dose that she had because I had some the same night from the same source. I was under the impression that ecstasy just made you feel good - but now I get the impression that it enhances any feelings that you have at the time you peak. If this is true, we should all make sure we are in a good mood when we take it. Comments? Oh - Mike and Zak from SCU and UCD - Im talking about Kerry. For you ne-ravers - see you at POWER or perhaps DEF CON 1 (?) For those of you in the Pittsburgh area, are there any busses going to DC for DEF CON, and if so, what are the details? (prices, time of departure/return etc) I could call TZ, but I figured that since Im on now, I might as well ask YINZ <--- its a burgh thing...... reply to mc4o@andrew.cmu.edu mark [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:51:13 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Re: your mail On Sat, 7 Nov 1992, sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU wrote: > footnote from reality: FDA is investigating this "new fad" of smart drinks > as "possibly hazardous to your health." the FDA still calls herbal medicine > harmful and mysterious. Then again, the FDA still calls high-potency vitamins harmful and mysterious... "This is the DEA! We know that you have eggplant in your fridge! That exceeds the FDA's limitations on vitamin A! Zero tolerance will make the state claim your home. That's what you get for breaking the law, you veggie freaks!" [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: continuing nastiness from reality(keep it away from me!) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:07:09 EST and of course there's always those easy to remember four basic food groups! ya gotta respect those WASP octagenarian doctors that are the FDA, for sticking to their guns on that one! come-on! we all know that CHANGE and KNOWLEDGE are the work of the devil!!!!! the FDA connot have my smartdrinks (and my velvet.) rave-on and smartdrinks for everyone! shhhh. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:17:07 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: your mail > From peterco@eff.org Mon Nov 9 15:00:48 1992 > Then again, the FDA still calls high-potency vitamins harmful and > mysterious... > "This is the DEA! We know that you have eggplant in > your fridge! That exceeds the FDA's limitations on vitamin A! Zero > tolerance will make the state claim your home. That's what you get for > breaking the law, you veggie freaks!" > That's right. And you thought just acid and E could get you in trouble. Don't cross the strong arm of the pharmacutical lobby and it's ties to government lawmakers. "Natual ingredients won't make money for DuPont. What happens if everyone figures this out!!! Oh no! Quick pour more chemicals into the market and breed fear and ignorance with anti-smart drug propaganda." God Bless the United Police States. d ave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 15:30:54 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: powerrave pre-party to everyone in pittsburgh: i know it's a little late, but wouldn't it have been cool if there could've been an ne-raves pre-party up in pittsburgh before powerrave this friday night?? e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: DJ Tom T. Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 14:08:56 -0500 Hello, DJ Tom T. from Fifth Column (in DC) is coming to UVA this Friday. Does anyone know what this guy is like? Will he make me move, or what? Paul -- beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: worcester rave saturday Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:56:16 EST anybody driving from cambridge/boston? anybody taking the bus? i've never been "wooster" shhhh. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:27:41 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Cleveland Rave I saw the attached in alt.rave. November 28 is also the tentative date for the next Storm Rave. Seems weird that Adam and Heather wouldn't be there... -Ed ----- Begin Included Message ----- FUTURE PERFECT Saturday, November 28 Cleveland, Ohio DJ's: Adam X Heather Heather Rob Sherwood Mike Filly DJ Smack (Chicago) The InXomniak of Unity (Detroit) (216) 391-2345 -- b t 1 7 8 @ c l e v e l a n d . F r e e n e t . E d u ----- End Included Message ----- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: under one sky #7 part 2.5 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:15:44 EST Scene Reports We would like to include scene reports from every city. To become a member of our staff, fax writing samples to: Heather at (0101) 718-714-1832 The Sept. 19 STORM RAVE which was held in a warehouse /tractor trailer yard had an electric energy not yet felt at any event on the east coast. The music was hard and raw. DJs on the night were LENNY D, FRANKIE BONES, MARIO GENOVESE, ADAM X (top right), JAMES CHRISTIAN (below Adam), JIMMY CRASH, DAN DC, PETER THE GREAT(below right) and DANTE who played a weird set. He tried to close the night with a remix of We Are The Champions but, Bones saved the day by putting on ALLES NAAR DE KL-TE; the perfect way to end a hardcore night. On Sept. 25, I missioned to Providence RHODE ISLAND with Lenny D for the QUEST RAVE. (one great aspect of the North East Coast rave scene is that everyone will travel up to 5 hours in any direction for a good party). The RI scene is still young but, going strong. I was playing tracks like TERMINATOR 2-Deliverance & FRONTAL SICKNESS-Illuminated to an ecstatic crowd at 5;30 am. On Oct. 2, the New Jersey DIGITAL DEVIANTS CREW (under ground) attempted another party only to be shut down before it got started. Don't give up guys. The EVOLUTION VIBE TRIBE took a new direction by setting up a sound system in a public park in Queens during the day. I did have a wonderful time but, I think that the kids were more into playing hacky sack than listening to techno. Not enough attention, let alone appreciation was shown to the DJs. Friday Oct. 9, ORACLE PRODUCTIONS threw a rave in Rhode Island. Although the sound system and DJ line up was top notch, the rave had no energy and was doomed from the start by these clueless organizers only out to make a buck. At around 2:00 am, the police busted in, arrested (yes-arrested) the organizer and made eve ryone leave. Oct. 10 saw the opening of the THUN-DER GROUND in Staten Island, Storm rave' s newest venture. This club is literally undergroundBuilt in the late 1800s to ferment beer. It has 3 underground tunnels, passageways and rooms that you have to see to believe it. Music in the front room was provided by Frankie Bones, Adam X & Jimmy Crash, with music in the back by Ralphie Dee, Micro and Onions. The Thunderground has an outdoor chill out, smart bar by Some Thing For Your Mind and free Synchro Energize Therapy. On Oct 17 was the 2nd SPUTNIK rave. The first Sputnik was held in a skatepark, this time it was in a roller skating rink straight out of the 70s(too clean for a rave). It did have more energy than their last party but, it had a giant playpen with grown women dressed like babies; how pathetic! The majority of the crowd was under 17 years old. The only thing that made this event half decent was the DJ lineup which included MICRO, ADAM X MR KLEEN & JOSH WINK amongst others. I won't be working with this group anymore as I won't contribute to the commercialism of raves. UPCOMING EVEN TS OCT 23 THUNDERGROUND SI w/DJs Bones, Crash, Jerry Jam & Dante ring (718) 714-5232 OCT 24 UNITY BROOKLYN ring (718) 670-3652 w/DJs BONES,MARIO, JIMMY CRASH & HEATHER HEATHER OCT 24 C HEMISTRY TORONTO CANADA Tickets available at Liquid Sky (212) 431-4495 w/ Mr C & EON live OCT 30 TH UNDERGROUND MASQUERAVE OCT 30 THE INSIDER live MUSIC MAN at the LIMELIGHT OCT 30 CATASTROPHIC DC MASQUERAVE NOV 6 THUNDERGROUND SI ring (718) 714-5232 NOV 7 FLUID LONG ISLAND w/DJs BO NES, JAMES CHRISTIAN, JIMMY CRASH, HEATHER HEATHER & MIKE TONKA NOV 7 BOSTON w/DJs DAVE TRANCE, DE BO, MICRO & ONIONS NOV 7 BAR CONNETICUT w/DJ ADAM X NOV 7 AMEOBA HEAD RHODE ISLAND NOV 13 POWER RAVE 92 PITTSBURG PA w/DJs RITCHIE HAWTIN(+8), ADAM X, HEATHER HEATHER, DEADLY BUDA, ROB SHER WOOD, DEISEL BOY & KRIS KERSEY. FUSE & CYBERSONIK live RING (412) 621-7759 NOV 13 THUNDERGROUN D SI w/DJs SANDRA COLLINS(LA) & JIMMY CRASH NOV 14 BAR CONNETICUT w DJ CRASH NOV 14 QUEST RAVE RHODE ISLAND w/DJs SANDRA COLLINS(LA), JIMMY CRASH, HEATHER HEATHER, JAMES CHRISTIAN & LENNY D ring (718) 646-8077 or (212) 629-0261 for ticket and bus info NOV 20 THUNDERGROUND SI ring (718) 714-52 32 NOV 28 STORM RAVE.. BROOKLYN w/DJs Adam X, Crash, Bones & REVELATION live ring (718) 646-8077 for information DEC 4 DR. FERNANDO live w DJ STEPHAN(2 PIECES) MUSIC MAN live at the LIMELIGHT DEC 12 MAYDAY GERMANY w/DJs WESTBAM, DICK, ADAM X, RITCHIE HAWTIN(+8). EUROMASTERS live. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: under one sky #7 part 2.25 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:19:21 EST ACIEEEEEEEEEED! BY Adam X At this years New Music Seminar, there was a big controversy over the origins of techno. Detroit took the credit that they deserve but, do they really deserve full credit? Not one person stood up and mentioned Chicago. Acid House which originated in Chicago in 1987 has made a huge comeback in the techno underground techno scene where, modern European techno is combined with the old school styles of Detroit and Chicago to create various new styles from trance to hardcore. The UK rave scene started with acid house parties back in 1987. Detroit techno followed but, while Detroit is still kicking ass today with labels like +8, UR, the revival of TRANSMAT and smaller labels keeping the so und alive; Chicago doesn't put out much of anything anymore which is probably why they don' t get any credit. The Chicago Acid House sound is very minimal, using the bare essentials; hard 909 drum patterns combined with one or two sounds , or an Acid line. As basic as it seems, just pick up a cop y of ROTTERDAM TERMINATION SOURCE-POING on Rotterdam Records and you'll see exactly what I mean; minimal = effective! The Rotterdam label sound is a distorted, hardcore version of the Chicago not the Detroit sound. The cult labels out of Europe such as DJAX, SEESAW and STEALTH specialize in the old school sound of Chicago and have cornered that market in doing so. Most of the Chicago Acid House labels like WESTBROOK, TRAX, WAREHOUSE and MUZIQUE have disappeared but, DJAX UP BEATS have managed to liscense most of Muzique's back catalogue for example MD CONNECTION-TRACKS THAT MOVE YA and the upcoming STEVE POINDEXTER-WORK THAT MOTHERFUCKA , which are both over 3 1/2 years old. The sound of Acid in Techno or House derives from the psychedelic sound of an old Roland analog keyboard box called a TB303. Originally on the market for $100 12 years ago, now it sells for more than $300 used, unless you can find someone who doesn't know the true value of it. Some of the first Acid records to come out were PHUTURE-ACID TRACKS and SLEAZY D-I'VE LOST CONTROL back in 1987 on the TRAX label. TRAX was famous for putting out some really killer Acid records and infamous for the worst pressings in the history of dance music. Their records were pressed on recycled vinyl, which meant impurities like pops, skips & low sound quality. Since they were shrink wrapped, buying a TRAX record was a hit or miss situation unless you opened it and inspected the quality. MIKE DUNN, ARMANDO, BAM BAM, ADONIS, STEVE POINDEXTER, ROBERT ARMANI, TYREE & FAST EDDIE are the main old school influences on the sounds of today. Unfortunately, most of the original masters have gone on to other (not better) things with the exception of Robert Armani who has progressed with new releases coming out on ACV/Italy & Mike Dearborn with new releases coming out on DJAX/Holland.. Today there is a growing scene in Chicago, where the kids are looking to Europe for the sound that was originally theirs. The Chicago underground scene is no more but, the sound will be carried on by those who know. So, respect is given where respect is due. An Interview with Abel Strai ght from the Sydney Underground Hi Heather and Hi NY possee. I'm Krishan & I'm here with ABEL, he is one of the top DJs in Sydney at the moment. A:Hello K:For those not familiar with your stu ff let's start with what DJ style you have & the vibe that you are trying to achieve through your music. A:Basically this winter everything was techno but, there is a new sound that i've been getting into at the moment, best described as acid trance. Techno was sort of bang, bang here I am dance to me; very hard on the ears. K:How well recieved do you think this new sound will be in the upcoming months?v A:I think that it will be the new sound for the summer, it's basically already started happ ening overseas. At the moment, not everyone is into it, but slowly it will rise. K:Why don't you des cribe the scene here in Sydney for the people who aren't familiar with it. Tell them what it's all about here. A:Well the scene is sort of split up, it happened with the HORDEN which were the famous dance parties held here in 1988 & 1989 when house exploded. All you had was House, everyone got into House, from that came the soul 2 soul sound, so the scene split up there. I see the same thing happening now, everyone was into techno, now there are techno parties, ambient parties, piano house parties; so once a gain the scene split up. Basically it's a cycle that keeps repeating itself. K:Do you think that can damage the scene? xA:It's for the better, it means that there will be an underground. K:That is another problem that we have here in Sydney & Australia generally is the commercialism of raves. How do you view that? A:There is nothing wrong with commercialism, everything goes commercial & there is nothing you can do about it. I guess you have to like it for what it is, but like most people I like t he underground. K:What about the club scene in Sydney? A:It's good, but I think the same thing is happening in the clubs in the UK; They are throwing everyone into these clubs People do want to go but, they're not playing the sounds that the people want to hear. K:In Sydney there are a few dance specialist record stores that opened up. Do you think there is good access to records from overseas? A:I think there is, sometimes we are a couple of weeks behind. There are alot of white labels and stuff tha t never reach our shores. K:Apart from DJing, you also do a bit of production work You've put on some very succesful parties? A:The first one was 2 years ago. Our first effort basically was a way to give myself a break because I had done demos and given them to the promoters, done this, done that. Th ere are too many DJs out there who sell themselves before they're ready to be sold. Thats no t good, it's better to stay at home and practice until you're as good as the guy thats there now. That party went well financially, but the ideas did not come together. Then we did Happy Valley it was the 1st outdoor party in god knows how long. K: That is still a legendary party, almost out of control woodstockish. A: Yeah there were people running around naked and the TV helicopters flying down. Weve waited a year now, we'll do the 2nd one on Dec. 12 it will be a big beach party. K: Down her e for us, December is summer. A: Me, you(Krishan) and what's his name? JUMPING JACK (another Sydney DJ) we'll be getting together a warehouse studio and setting up some serious gear and laying down some serious tracks. Very tribal trance and analog, of couse will definitely be there. I see analog as a bi g force in the future of dance. K: Well are there any messages you'd like to send out to al l the people around the world? A: Just keep it going, don't give up hope. You might think to yoursel f sometimes, man the scene is fucked, its dying, it's changing its shit. Just hang in there and chan ge with the times. Don't get caught up in the good old days. They were good but keep the scene happening all around the world. And Interview, Interview, Interview a DJ from there and send it here. K:Ye ah Heather we'd love to get a tape from you guys overseas and interviews! And we'll send you a tape of our latest stuff, that would be great we'd love to stay current with you guys. K: Do you like UOS? A: Yeah I love the mag. I must comment on them, they are well thought out, especially the detail you go into. Keep them coming the DJs love them. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: under one sky #7 part 3 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:14:28 EST D-JAX UP BEATS of HOLLAND Interview by Heather SASKIA SLEGERS founded the DJAX UP BEATS label in 1989. Working in an import record shop & having been a DJ for many years, Saskia was always meeting promising artists whose music was not being released. She felt that the time was right for an independant label interested in more than commercial music Q: How did you become involved with the music business? A: I bought my first record when I was 11 years old. From that time I spent all my money on records. When I was 17 years old I started as a DJ in a club. I played a lot of import disco and funk records like Johnny Guitar Watson , Donna Summer, George Benson etc. A few years later I got a job in an import record shop where I handled the dance-department which contained a lot of hip-hop records these days and later also acid-house. I started DJAX-UP BEATS three years ago in 1989. I was still working in the record shop but changed it for a job at a distribution company where I took care of the export of the dance releases which also included my own releases on DJAX. After one and a half years I quit that job because I needed more time for my own company, DJAX. So now I am completely self supporting. Q: What influenced you to start DJAX? A: I started up my own record label because I walked into such good material by unknown n ew artists and I just didn't understand why no record companies would give them a try. That' s when I said to myself, "Let's try to do it myself." It was not easy to get any information about starting up your own label, because at that time there were not many independents and anybody else was not really willing to give away their knowledge. So I had to find out almost everything by myself. Q: Why DJAX-UP BEATS? A: DJAX was originally my DJ name. When I started the label I gave it the namea DJAX Records. This was only for the "hip-hop department." DJAX-UP BEATS is the name for the "house department" on DJAX Records. At the moment I'm still spinning on different raves outside Holland. I think the audience in for example France is very dedicated. They appreciate the t racks that I play and don't come asking for commercial shitty house records. Q: Did you find it hard to gain respect as a label because you are a woman? A: I never had any problems with the fact that I 'm a woman although it's more a man's world, I think I gain the same respect. Q: Your label is helping to shape the future of dance, how do you decide what to put out? A: Everything that I put out on my label is my personal taste and it's always my personal decision whether I want a track or not. I am always looking for new, different and experimental things. But I prefer tracks that have that old Chicago and Detroit sound. Q: What makes DJAX different from the rest? A: I think my label differs fr om the rest because I don't mind what's selling or not. I really like the music that I p ut out and I am not narrow minded when it comes to trying new styles. Q: You didn't attend New Music Seminar 13. Why? And will you be attending other seminars like MIDEM? A: I did attend NMS in 1990. I really liked it although it was a little too hectic to do business. I think I will attempt MIDEM next year and also NMS. Next week I will be going on a trip to Detroit and Chicago to visit some of my artists and finishing some deals with new artists. Q: Will you be licensing the DJAX catalog to any other labels? A: No, I am not interested in licensing the DJAX catalog to any other label, but all my tracks are separa tely available for compilations (not for 12" releases). If I would ever make a label-deal with any other label it must be a label that exactly thinks and works the same way that I do. Q: What are your favorite labels? The labels that I rate very highly are: -Planet-E --Retro-Active --Westbro ok --Chicago Underground --Transmat --Musique/Warehouse -Trax --Dance Mania --Rhy thm Beat --Irdial One last remark: I think that the situation is getting out of hand. Everybody starts up his own label. There are too many shitty releases every week. Finally they will kill their own market. I am glad that I started three years ago and by now can claim a steady underground status. STAY UNDERGROUND!!!! Discography Terrace 916 Buena Avenue DJAX-UP-122 Terrace In-Motion DJAX-UP-123 Board Of Wisdom Over The Hill DJAX-UP-124 Trance Induction Mind fl ower DJAX-UP-125 MAJOR MALFUNCTION MAGIC MOMENTS DJAX-UP 126 TERRACE STRAIGHT TRIPPIN' - RED VINYL DJAX-UP-127 TERRACE INSPIRITUAL DJAX-UP-128 SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO DJAX-UP-129 MAJOR MALFUNCTION GIVES YOU CENTRAL HOUSE DJAX-UP-130 GENETIC BASS FRUSTRATE EP DJAX-UP-131 ISMISTIK BONUS BOUNCERS DJAX-UP-132 R.E.C. LIGHTNING STRIKE DJAX-UP- 133 TERRACE RECONSTRUCTION DJAX-UP-134 EDGE OF MOTION 6-TRACK EP. WHITE/BLUE VINYL DJ AX-UP-135 RANDOM XS GIVE YOUR BODY DJAX-UP-136 G.S.G. PRESENTS TRIP TRAX DJAX-UP-137 CLI CHE TRAX CLICHE EP DJAX-UP-138 TRANCE INDUCTION ORGANIC FLOPPY DISCO DJAX-UP-139 ISMISTI K OASIS DJAX-UP-140 SPASMS SPASMS EP DJAX-UP-141 ZERO ZONE 001 EP DJAX-UP-142 R.E.C. POWERPLANT DJAX-UP-143 ACID JUNKIES 7-TRACK EP-YELLOW VINYL DJAX-UP-144 LIKE A TIM HEADSTRONG EP DJAX-UP-145 MIKE DEARBORN UNBALANCED FREQUENCY DJAX-UP-148 TERRACE THE TURNING POINT DJAX-UP-146 EDGE OF MOTION MOTIONZ BEYOND DJAX-UP-147 MIKE DUNN MAGIC FEET-THE REMIXES DJAX-UP-149 MD CONNECTION TRACKS THAT MOVE YA (2 * 12") Djax- UP-150 MIKE DEARBORN INTENSE MUZIK DJAX-UP-151 ARMANDO 151-THE REMIXES DJAX-UP-152 LI KE A TIM GAME GIRL DJAX-UP-153 STEVE POINDEXTER WORK THAT MUTHAFUCKA DJAX-UP-154 Cha rts x N.E.W.S. DISTRIBUTION BELGIUM Compiled by KATRIEN/MUSIC MAN 1.GENLOG EP 2.BLAKE BAXTER - BROTHERS GONNA WORK IT OUT 3.HUMAN RESOURCE - SICK 4.THE GOLDEN GIRLS - KINETIC 5.SUPERTRONIC & CO - VOL 2 RMXs 6.ARPEGGIATORS - BEYOND THE BLACK HOLE 7.TC BERRY - 1991-1992 8.DR. FERNANDO - INQUIRE 9.MOKA - POISEN BLOOD 10.NUKE - NANA NOW RECORD STORE-GERMANY Compiled by Hoschi & ANDY 1.C-TANK - BACK TO THE BASE EP (OVERDRIVE) 2.CIRCUIT BREAKER - TRAC X (PROBE) 3.LEO ANIBALDI - POSSESION (ACV) 4.ICONS - CELEBRATE (LABWORKS) 5.EGYPTIAN EMPIRE - THE HORN TRACK (FFRR) 6.2 LOW 4 ZERO - FAST EP (ROTTERDAM) 7.SPACE CUBE - KOOL KILLER EP 2 (FORCE INC) 8.DOMINITRIX - POSSESSION EP (RISING HIGH) 9.ACID RAIN EP (SHOCKWAVE) 10.AGE - UNDERGROUND EP (FORCE INC) PURE GROOVE RECORDS LONDON Compiled by TARIK 1.CLUB 69 - LET ME BE YOUR UNDERWEAR (FFRR) 2.COLONE 2 (LABWORKS) 3.SPICELAB - QUICKSAND (HARTHOUSE) 4.ARPEGGIATORS - BEYOND THE BLACKHOLE (HARTHOUSE 5.CHESTNUT - POT OF GOLD RMXS (NATURAL) 6.MD CONNECTION - TRAX THAT MOVE YA (DJAX) 7.ATLANTA FALLS - OUT CAME THE FREAK (PLANET) 8.JETSON - TO RHYTHM (SEVEN VALLEY) 9.OUR RESERVATION RMX (LABWORKS) 10.FRANK E - UNDERSTAND THIS GROOVE (CHINA) GALAXIE 95.3-RADIO FRANCE Compiled by DJ H.S 1.SOUP-NY, CHICAGO 2.EAST 17-HOUSE OF LOVE 3.USURA-OPEN YOUR MIND 4.FUNKY GREEN DOGS-REACH FOR ME 5.DESPERATION-RESSURECTION 6.MASTER TECHNO-JESUS TRIP 7.TOXIC TWO-EP 8.CAPTAIN HOLLYWOOD -MORE AND MORE 9.JACK AND JILL-GO MISS THING 10.PLANET-FUTUR RHYTHM) PLANET X NEW JERSEY Compiled by SPIKE 1.MIKE DRED - KOSMIK KOMMANDO EP (REPHLEX) 2.DREXCIZA - DEEP SEA DWELLER EP (SHOCKWAVE) 3.DEFCON 1 - BRAINWASHER (HITHOUSE) 4.GENLOG EP (MUSIC MAN) 5.CIRCUIT BREAKER (PROBE) 6.SPINACH - CRYSTAL SHELLS EP (KUDOS) 7.INTERLOCK EP (WEAVE) 8.PCP - V (PCP) 9.NEURO - MAMMA (BEAT) 10.AGE - UNDERGROUND EP (FORCE INC) HEATHER HEATHER in no order LISA CARBON TRIO (POD, GERMANY) ELECTROTETE - I LOVE YOU (APOLLO, BELGIUM) MIKE DEARBORN - INTENSE MUZIK (DJAX, AMSTERDAM) ACID COLONE 2 (LABWORKS, GERMANY) BEYOND THE B-SIDES - RAISE (HPF, BELGIUM) RAMIREZ - EL VULCAN DE PASION (DFC, ITALY) DBX - LEGO (PROBE, US) SLEEPWALKER - QUE ES SOUL? (DANCE OPERA, BELGIUM) TRANSLUCENT EP (JELLY JAM, UK) MARCOS SALON Grey Label (RS92025, BELGIUM) DJ STEPHAN (TWO PIECES) 1.NEURO - MAMA 2.AGE - UNDERGROUND EP 3.ACE THE SPACE - NINE IS A CLASSIC RMX 4.LEO ANIBALDI - POSSESSION 5.UR 003 - THE FINAL FRONTIER 6.BLAKE BAXTER - BROTHERS GONNA WORK IT OUT 7.INDUSTRIAL 007 8.RAMIN VOL 2 - BRAINTICKET 9.TC BERRY - 1992 10.ELECTROTETE - I LOVE YOU DJ TOM (MICROBOTS) 1.RA MIN - BRAINTICKET (PCP) 2.EUROMASTERS - ALLES NAAR DE KL-TE (ROTTERDAM) 3.BEYOND THE B-SIDES-MAGIC ORCHESTRA CJ RMX (HPF) 4.DESPERATION-OUR RESERVATION RMX (LABWORKS) 5.C-TANK - THE BASE IS THE BACK EP (OVERDRIVE) 6.N-R-G - UNITY 7.SWEDEN GOES HARDCORE 8.RABBIT CITY 5 & 6 9.CAT & WHISKAS EP 10. EDGE 3 - LOGIC MISS DJAX All Time Top 10 1.RON TRENT - ALTERED STATES 2.VIRGO - FREE YOURSELF 3.MD CONNECTION - TRACKS THAT MOVE YA 4.PHUTURE - ACID TRACKS 5.ARMANDO - WORLD UNKNOWN 6.RHYTHM IS RHYTHM - STRING S OF LIFE 7.CARL CRAIG - WRAP ME IN IT'S ARMS 8.VIRGO FOUR - DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE? 9.MIKE DEARBORN - NEW DIMENSION 10.PLANET E - INTERGALACTIC BEATS TURBO ZEN PITTSBURG PA Compiled by DJ DEADLY BUDA 1.DOOMSDAY MACHINE - BAY 6 2.STRICTLY HARDCORE - ILLEGAL RAVE LP 3.EUROMASTERS - ALLES NAAR DE KL -TE 4.BIOCHIP C - HORSTURZ 5.FRIENDS, FAMILY & LOVERS - ORDINARY PEOPLE DAVE TRANCE LI, NY 1.DJ HELL - MY DEFINITION...-RESISTANCE D MIX (R&S) 2.HARDFLOOR - HARD TRANCE Acperience EP (HARTHOUSE) 3.GESTALT - THE JOURNEY INTO RHYTHM EP (LIL GIANT) 4.ETERNAL - ETERNAL (UNDERGROUND LEVEL) 5.TAINTED TWO - ROCK N ROLL (RM) 6.DECADE - INTIMATE YOUR BODY (HOT TRAX) 7.FLUX - CAN YOU FEEL THE RAVE BROOKLYN MIX (ZYX) 8.STUDIO X - JOIN THE TRIBE 9NFUSION) 9.EX 4 - POSSESOR 10.MACH 5 - BRAIN IN GEAR (UNDERTOW) DJs IN SYNC PORTLAND, OR 1.ACE THE SPACE-9 is a classic (PCP) 2.EQUINOX-SURVEYOR 3 (VORTEE) 3.THE MOVER-IMPALER (PCP) 4.GTO-COSMIC BABY EP (MFS) 5.CROWBAR-THE DAY THE FURNITURE ARGUED (INFINITE MASS) 6.INNOVATION-HYPERSONIC (VINYL SOLUTION) 7.BOOMSHANKA-DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO (COWBOY) 8.FORCE MASS MOTION-INTRODUCTION EP 9.EX 4 POSSESSOR 10.TDS-SONIC TRANCE VOL 1 (white) FRANKIE BONES Groove Records 1.TRASHMEN-Cosmo Trash LENNY D RMX (DFC, ITALY) 2.TAINTED TWO-HOUSE IS HOUSE (RM, GERMANY) 3.LIKE A TIM-Game Girl (DJAX UP BEATS, HOLLAND) 4.DERAYNGED-I Want To Funk You (DSP, US) 5.FRANKIE BONES-Thunderground EP (GROOVE WORLD, US) 6.X RAY-Requiem (LABWORKS, GERMANY) 7.PROGRAM 2_The Robots (TEST, US) 8.GENLOG EP (MUSIC MAN) 9.OUTRAGEOUS ANGEL-Lust (OUTRAGE, BELGIUM) 10.RICKY SMITH-Phone System (CHICAGO BAD BOY, US) MR KLEEN SATTELITE PRODUCTIONS 1. TRANCESETTERS - THE SECRETS OF MEDITATION 2. CHESTNUT - POT OF GOLD RMX 3. IN-10-s - LIKE A REAL DRUG DEALER 4. DISINTEGRATOR - LOCK ON TARGET 5. THE ORB - ASSASIN 6. HOLOGRAPHIC 3rd - PRE VISIONS 7. BOURBONESE QUALK - KNEEJERKREACTION 8. NRG - PROMISED LAND 9. TERMO - TEMPO 10. OUTRAGEOUS ANGEL - DEEP DOWN BOUDISQUE DISTRIBUTION HOLLAND Compiled by SJON 1.GHETTO BROTHERS _ BASS MANUEV ERS (ESP) 2.LIMITED EDITION - OCEAN FLOW (GO BANG)x3.BIZZARE INC - I'M GONNA GET YOU (TORSO DANCE)x4.THE PRODIGY - FIRE/JERICHO (TORSO) 5.STUDIO X - LOS KINGS DEL MAMBO (TORSO) 6.KUBRIK - KICK IT FOR ME (ESP) 7.WPA - SEAWOLF (UR) 8.EON - WHAT IS MUSIC (VINYL SOLUTION) 9.ORBITAL - RADICCIO (INTERNAL) 10.SUPER RAGGA GABBA - HAPPY RAGGA MAN (THUNDERPUSSY) DISCO FAMILY PLAN MINNIAPOLIS, MN 1.XRAY - REQUIM (LABWORKS) 2.ALIEN FACTORY - BIG BROTHER (GENERATOR) 3.2 LOW 4 ZERO - THE 1st EP (ROTTERDAM) 4.ACID RAIN EP (SHOCKWAVE) 5.YVES DE RUTGER (BONZAI) 6.CIRCUIT BREAKER - TRAC X (PROBE) 7.GENLOG EP (MUS IC MAN) 8.FRED EP (FRED001) 9.ORTHODOX - SEX DRIVE (80 AUM)x10.DR. FERNANDO (MUSIC MAN) REVIEWS POT OF GOLD rmxs (NATURAL RECORDS, BELGIUM)) There are 4 mixes of this ambient techno track on ye llow vinyl. TFX mix is my favorite. Very tribal rhythm at 131 bpms. HH UP! Ritchie Hawtin (PROBE, US) A sub-label of +8 records. Spiritual High which clocks in at 133 bpms, is a journey into your mind through music. Spacey analog that builds up, falls down then back up again over & over. The classic Hawtin drum patterns that never let you go with a 303 acid pattern & a chorus of angels that w ill bring you to heaven. HH DBX (PROBE, US) Dan Bell busts out this 5 tracker that shows his talent in many styles. NEUROTIKA on DIS side is techno terror.Rocking rhythm full of ri m shots, warped snares & high hats that sound like a rampant race horse. The few sounds on this 12 " are analog, acid, very hypnotic. Throw in a backwards edit here and there for good measure. Th e DAT side is only for the hardcore. HH DBX (PROBE, US) Killer 5 track mental mayhem that will put you in a state of delerium, especially 2 tracks called ANIREXIA and NEURO DAMAGE. Totally mental. x COUSIN SAL OUTRAGEOUS ANGEL EP (OUTRAGE, BELGIUM) Yet another sub label of R&S records releases this EP produced by Dave Angel. DIMENSION OF DRUMS is space congas, rims, crisp claps, open & closed highs with rocking snare drums. Enter the eerie synth lines with sad strings. Very low laser stabs an d acid. Powerful. HH DETUNE (POD029, GERMANY) I have no track listings for these white label POD promos. A side is very wierd. Raw analog sound starts off this track hardcore with driving percussion. All of a sudden these ambient, heavenly sort of strings come in; bulding, getting louder, which gives me that melting feeling. Then these very high pitched acidy analog sounds kick in that rotate & mutate into a crisp, raspy frenzy. After twisting your brain into a pretzel, the strings come back in with off pitch vocal samples. This one will definitely do your head in. B side 1st cut is an experimental track that uses a wierd breakbeat, train sound effects and garbage can lid percussion. Always changing, the acid line kicks in which has been totally mutated only to change again; dropping the breakbeat, enter a beefed up freestyle beat accent on the rim. Wierd piano synth lines. This track is way out there. B side 2nd cut is sad, trancey experimental techno at 99 bpms. HH M/S/O (POD030, GERMANY) 1st cut A side is true German style hard acid techno, with very interesting drum patterns. This will move you! 2nd cut on the A side is very trippy techno. Hard kick that warps out every couple of measures . Rim shots seem to float around. Eerie space sounds. It's About Time You Moved Right Now sample chopped up. 1st cut B side has that deep, rolling sort of bassline that you feel in your chest. Tribal percussion, high pitched acid, metal hits and spacey dissident strings all at 131 bpms. 2nd cut on th e B side is another version of the 2nd cut on the A side; harder with a 303 bassline. HH D' AMMOND (POD031, GERMANY) A side has familiar synth lines over a breakbeat. This one is for the happy, commercial crowds. The B side starts off with familiar breakbeats, interesting hits, then a hard freestyle beat kicks in with deep bass. High tones are played and then warp out. (202 or Mono-Poly?). Experim ental breakbeats. HH THE LISA CARBON TRIO (POD032, GERMANY) This is a very original piece of wax. Very percussive breakbeat. The whistling analog tones being played sound as if they are feeling the rolling acid line. About 9 minutes at 130 bpms. B side is wierd, original and very percussive. A high pitched tone is playing jazzy lines. I'm at a loss for words on this one; just get it! HH MILLENIUM (POD033, GERMANY) 3 mixes. The first is pure ambiance, just strings playing a sad floating melody with other high pitched space noises floating around almost inaudibly. The other 2 mixes are hard to the core, non-stop analog mayhem. HH EARTH ODYSSEY (BONZAI RECORDS, BELGIUM) A new label distributed by MUSIC MAN. Three kicking releasing in just one week. Clocking in at around 152 bpms, BLACK HOLE is a wierd piece of hard trance. Original sounds; all analog, twisting and changing. PORNOGRAPHY is also hard trance with very interesting sou nds modulating, bending and building up. High tones played up and down sounds like a video game. HH TRANSLUCENT EP (JELLY JAM, UK) Another excellent, original release from this progressive UK label. INHERITANCE is a deep techno house track that will hypnotize you. Side B is 145 bpm uptempo techno with alot of percussion and original sounds. My favorite track is RR-WE. JELLY JAM Records are hard to fin d here in NY so look hard. Don't let any of their releases slip by. HH X-RAY - REQIUM (LABWORKS, GERMANY) This track has a very spooky tone to it. REQIUM:1.A mass for the repose of the dead. 2.It's musical setting. Definitely to die for. Sinister organ line over evil organ and high pitc hed piano. HH COLONE 2 (LABWORKS, GERMANY) There are 5 tracks on this 12" as well as analog samples and drum drops between tracks. The 1st cut is ambient, with percussion, deep rocking bassline and 303 acid with a robot voice saying "this is dope". Side 2 1st cut is hard analo g mayhem at 145 bpms, going straight for the jugular vein. HH OUR RESER VATION RMX (LABWORKS, GERMANY) This 1 sided limited edition 12" is a rocking remix. Dope acid over metal guitars. They lengthened the indian war cry vocal while chopping up other samples and editing t hem to perfection. What I'd like to know is if they did those edits on analog tape? Includes the original version. Find this before it's gone forever. HH ORGANIZED CRIME/STARTED AGAIN Killer Speed RMX (DEJA VU, UK) The sad theme from THE GODFATHER with samples from the movie. Ruthless breakbeat taking no prisoners at about 141 bpms. Good follow up to STARTED AGAIN. Includes Killer Speed Rmx of both Started Again & ORGANIZED CRIME only for the mentally disturbed. By the way NAZ AKA NAZ & DAVE E DAVE are both in a mental prison in Scotland. HH FRIENDS, FAMILY AND LOVERS-IN SEARCH OF A COOL PLACE EP (RISING HIGH, UK) Rising High delivers the goods once again. This original composition is full of all the things that make UK techno what it is, as well as nonconformist elements that make it so o riginal. We Must Get Out Of Here Before It's Too Late HH AUDIO ASSAULT-PLANET 303 (RISING HIGH, UK) ACID MUSIC starts off with a speech about using our minds to go further; then the acid kicks in. Utiizing more than one breakbeat and sick acid patterns; I think the styles work well together. England meets Germany and rocks the world. HH THE DOMINITRIX-POSSESION EP (RISING HIGH, UK) The RISING HIGH COLLECTIVE busts another groove. PRAVKA who is from LA writes some sadistic lyrics, POUND writes the music. Very hardcore. LENNY DEE also worked on COME FLY AWAY WITH ME which is my favorit e track- it has some sick backwards edits. Includes Possesion instrumental. HH EX 4 (US) POSSESED is a good track with a hard kick but, very familiar sounds. SEIZURE is also very hardcore but, is very original, using new sounds. 2 versions of each track. HH ALIEN FACTORY-BIG BROTHER (GENERATOR) 3 mixes. Very hardcore metal techno that will blow your brains out. The high pitched analog, sounds like it's singing to you. I'm your big, big brother watching you. Side B has 2 breakbeat mixes-go straight to the 2nd cut for maximum results. HH ALIEN FACTORY (GENERATOR, GERMANY) This is suicide techno. My prognosis is that you'll pick up a sledgehammer and bash your fucking head after listening to this. Only for the true psychopavth of hardcore. COUSIN SAL KOMAKINO-DARK ZONE (SUCK ME PLASMA, GERMANY) Good follow up to SECTOR 2. Two mixes of DARK ZONE. A side hardcore. I prefer the breakbeat mix which is more on the ambient side. A deep steady bass line, strings and hypnotic high pitched tones with deep analog that builds up and tr ances you. Interesting cymbal crashes in the breaks. HH ELECTROTETE-I LOVE YOU (APOLLO, BELGIUM) Supreme ambient techno. 2 remixes. The 1st uses some of the original sounds & the I LOVE YOU vocal but, is very different using piano and dreamy high pitched tone scales to hypnotize you. The 2nd rmx was done by T THORPE & programmed by THE SOURCE again follows the same melody as the original but is very intelligent techno. 120 bpms, pitch it up to +8 for maximum trance results. Includes original mix but not the original remix which was a warm heavy synth mix with a lot of percussion. Originally released on RAVE AGE in France. Your collection will not be complete without both label copies. Get them. HH 2 FABIOLA featuring BLACKANOVA-KUNTA KINTE (DANCE OPERA, BELGIUM) Good follow up but, very different from MILKY WAY. Kunta Kinte has a very tribal feeling. Skip the vocal version for maximum results go to the Tribal Mix. HH SLEEPWALKER & PINKZONE (DANCE OPERA, BELGIUM) SLEEPWALKER was the 1st DANCE OPERA release as CAT#DO301. PINK ZONE was CAT#DO305 that was in 1990. Now two years l ater, their time has come. Killer progressive ambience before it's time but, definitely on t ime this time! Together on one 12" as DO349. Produced by AGARIC & BHAB. HH HERETICS-SCHIZOID EP (TORONTO UNDERGROUND, CANADA) Continuing on the same path as thier previous releases, T.U. Rec. releases another high powered rave record. This one is produced by 2 guys out of Switzerland. ELECTRIC CHAIR i s hardcore. SHADOWS OF TERROR rips off SPEEDY Js anthem "PULLOVER" HH TECHNO MANCER (CAROLINE, US) The best of Belgian techno compilation from ANTLER SUBWAY. Incl udes LORDS OF ACID, DIGITAL ORGASM, PARAMETRIC, ATOMIZER 2, OLIVER ADAMS and more. HH MIKE DRED-KOSMIK KOMMANDO EP (REPHLEX RECORDS, UK) There are no track listings on this clear white EP out of the UK. Pure hardcore TB 303 x 3 mayhem. The first cut on the B-side starts off with hardcore drum patterns and mental strings. Then this really wierd acid line kicks in while the drums roll on top of this crackling analog sound. HH RAMIREZ-ORGASMICO (DFC, ITALY) This double record set has five mixes of Orgasmico. All the mixes are on the commercial tip except the SEX CAPELLA which is Ramirez making love in Italian and the ACORDION mix which is typical Ramirez style, an accordian with reverb on it and Ramirez talking in Italian with a lot of feeling and punctuation to his words. Includes one other song entitled EL VOLCAN DE PASION which has a deep trancing steady bassline, tribal percussion, more screaming in Italian and heavy breathing over a steady kick. The cover of this album is fra ctals with little white and green sperms swimming it HH LOUD 001 (FUCKING LOUD, GERMANY) Total hardcore underground German style. Side A is heavy synthy with a lot of percussion, and strings th at will carry you to heaven. OOH I CAN'T HOLD IT. This is sonic sex and will definitely stimulate more than your auditory nerves. Only 500 pressed. Find it. HH BEYOND THE B SIDES (HPF/MUSIC MAN, BELGIUM) Remix of the classic B-side tracks MAGIC ORCHESTRA by CJ BOLLAND of RAVE SIGNAL and MORIBUND by FRANK DE WULF. RAISE on the A-side has a deep steady bassline, strings and dreamy tones at around 126 b pms. HH [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: under one sky #7 part 2 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:12:26 EST more letters WHAT'S SHAKIN? First off I'd like to thank and commend you on your mag. It's really admirable that you, BGP, and other contributors to U1S work so hard to keep things growing, yet stay relatively underground and all just for pure love of our scene. U1S also helps me keep up with what is going on, between work and school it's hard to make all of the events. I did make it to the Sept Storm rave and it was incredible! BOOM BOOM BOOM all night long. I love it. LENNY DEE is truly a madman and DANTE really got me going when I thought I had nothing left. These events are so special to me. When a couple of thousand people get together in peace and unity and dance until dawn smiling a ll the way it is wonderful, no matter who you are or where you come from, it's at these time s that you truly feel that you belong, that this is where you should be. At least that's what I get out of it. I'd like to make a big fat shout out to Chris in DC and Def in RI. I'm sure we will meet again. Well, thanks again Heather, Bones and to all who are trying to make a wonderful, positive change in our future. PEACE AND MUCH RESPECT, A FRIENDLY RAVER CALLED MIDAS..W. ISLIP NY YO HEATHER AN D THE GROOVE POSSEE What's, up? I'm writing this on my way back to upper Manhattan on the subway, going home from a religious experience called Storm, Sept 19. 5000 people and such energy....Goddamn this is FAT! A friend of mine came from California for this and she said it was nothing like she has ever experienced at a rave out there. Much respect to Storm & Joint Ventures for making this the best rave onh the East Coast to date. I can't think of anything but good things about this event. You' ve all got a friend on 125th Street in HARLEM. All of us here at Digital Confusion say peace! DIGITA L CONFUSION is Upper Manhattan's only strictly Techno promo crew & info network. Please send us some info on the scene everwhere Our ravers would love it PEACE OUT & STAY UNDERGROUND. HEATHER, Thanks for your support of our label & the underground scene. I feel that you have the only truly unbiased publication in NY, therefore all our promos are coming to you sister. Peace in the big apple and remember MAD MIKE stays in Detroit with the roots and so does UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE. Music for minds/not dollars. Stay underground/No sellouts! Peace Mad MIke DETROIT, MICH DEAR HEATHER, Thanks for sending us U1S. We find the magazine very interesting to read. Can you tell us if our records are easy to get in the USA? Beca use last, there was much demand in the underground circuit for SYSTEM WBBS "That Get's M y Heart Pumping" We are existing just one year and our next release will be HIT FACTORY with What You Gonna Do? What records are being discussed in your magazine. Is it the underground ones or all kinds of House music? I am looking forward to the next magazine. WITH KIND REGARDS, LEX VAN COEVERDEN DANCE INTERNATIONAL RECORDS HOLLAND Dear Heather, Thanks for your prompt reply to my letter and the latest copy of U1S. Stupidly, I lent all the copies you have sent me to a DJ friend of mine. Since then, Under One Sky has become almost compulsory reading for Sydney DJs. My (now) battered copies have been read and reread by all who want to stay on the cutting edge.... I think this reflects positively on your excellent work! I will take your advice from now on and photocopy future issues for friends here! PS If you can, could you find out the price of these hard to gets:909, Multi-Moog, Prophet 5 and Oberheim Expander? Much Love As Always, The Mop AUSTRALIA DEAR HEATHER, I am writing to you to give you a desperate view on the r ave scene in the UK at the moment. I met you in May when you came to TOTO'S in Colchester with Adam X. You saw for yourself how few people were there despite the fun had by all who were there and I myself enjoyed it thoroughly. I remember the early raves, the illegal one's especially and attended the very early ones like SUNRISE (Back To The Future) and the early ENERGY parties which opened my eyes to a sound and thought totally new to me and this was the sound of the underground. For years it stayed fresh and it was an honour to be part of it all. Now the scene is stale with only a few who follow the basic ideals of rave culture. Rave will never die because there will always be those of us who know how to party and kick the house. So a word of warning to the ravers of the underground worldwide:HOLD THE FAITH, STAY TRUE TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE! Heather, I was very impressed to see the work that you are doing and hope that you are able to continue your work. A group of friends and myself are currently doing fund raising events so we can help you financially. Would you please write back and give me Continued on page 22 some information on what the clubs and the scene are like at the moment in NY. Maybe you could send some flyers. My flatmate and I are keen DJs and have done some recording work of our own and have a few of our own songs but alas have no contacts with which to proceed any further. I've just com pleted a song which spawned off this letter really. It's slowish with an energetic bass line and rhy thm with an echoey background voice saying "LIKE A NEWBORN CHILD, TOTALLY FREE, TOTALLY WILD. IT CAME, IT GREW, THROUGH THE EYES OF THE FEW. MANY WERE DRAWN THROUGH THE NIGHT TO THE DAWN, THE HOUSE SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND> I look forward to hearing from you soon. Could you please send me the issues of U1S for the months of June July & August as I haven't been able to get them at all. Keep on Raving, keep the faith. SIMON HIGHWOODS, COLCHESTER UK First of all Heather, your fanzine has really come a long way. I've seen how much work you put into it & I think it has really paid off. Keep 'em coming! The rave has really taken shape over the last year here in NY (not to mention the entire East Coast). We've come a long way since last summer when I first got into the scene. It was still a seed then, which I can say has blossomed into a magnificent tree. For those of you who were at Storm on Sept. 19th you know what I'm talking about. We had over 3500 people in a warehouse/tractor trailer yard in Queens losing thier minds until 8:00 am the next morning and not only was there no problems, but there was the most positive energy I've felt at a large scale event to date. The 19th made me very proud to say that I'm part of Storm. To everyone who was there and contributed to that killer vibe: thanks for making it happen, you guys are fucking hardcore! I don't know how many people ca ught what happened on the last song, but when Dante threw on the "We Are The Champions" RMX, the turntable broke, (actually ALLES NAAR DE KL-TE was the last record played that night) and Frankie st arted spinning it with his finger so the music wouldn't just die. Well as the chorus came on , all of a sudden everyone was squishing into the center of the floor to grab onto one of the sea of hands t hat were thrust up in a cry of triumph and unity. I'm not talking about unity in the violent boroughs of NY or even the US but, an international unity that is growing. There were people and DJs there from all over sharing in that experience on the 19th; it was truly poetic. Between events like MINDSTORM and smaller more intimate events like FLUID where I saw you spin for the first time (you are full of surprises Heather) and you blew my mind. The scene is growing with a really nice balance and becoming more multi-faceted. Not to mention that NJs rave is coming along great and offering some hardcore parties! Unfort unately, the last one I went to got busted but, don't feel bad guys it happens to us all. To everyone else PEACE DON'T STOP FRED STRONG BROOKLYN NY A FRIEND PICKED UP A COPY OF U1S #6 for me in New York City and I was really happy to see a publication dedicated to the underground/Hardcore Techno. Enclosed is a check for a subscription. Dayton, OHIO has no rave scene yet-DETROIT and CLEVELAND are close (2 hours). Cincinatti and Columbus are trying to pull together. A friend and myself will do a visionary rave in Columbus before December. It will be our first on a large scale. RAVE ON JIM WAITER DAYTON, OHIO BY AN EXCITED AND AMAZED BRAIN 6:25 AM SEPT 20th 1992 @ STORM RAVE We are slaves to work; love; DNA; our mind 20 nothings no money; no jobs Some freedom; ideas, hopes, ambitions The system is blind The corporate moneys rule The older humans are established The younger generation is confused and fragmented The rave brings us together Daily life is mundane and petty When we die we will leave it a ll behind All you can really possess is what's in your mind Use your intelligence to look at the big picture ACIEEEEEEEEEED! BY Adam X At this years New Music Seminar, there was a big controversy over the origins of techno. Detroit took the credit that they deserve but, do they really deserve full credit? Not one person stood up and mentioned Chicago. Acid House which originated in Chicago in 1987 has made a huge comeback in the techno underground techno scene where, modern European techno is combined with the old school styles of Detroit and Chicago to create various new styles from trance to hardcore. The UK rave scene started with acid house parties back in 1987. Detroit techno followed but, while Detroit is still kicking ass today with labels like +8, UR, the revival of TRANSMAT and smaller labels ke eping the sound alive; Chicago doesn't put out much of anything anymore which is probably wh y they don't get any credit. The Chicago Acid House sound is very minimal, using the bare essentials; hard 909 drum patterns combined with one or two sounds , or an Acid line. As basic as it seems, just pi ck up a copy of ROTTERDAM TERMINATION SOURCE-POING on Rotterdam Records and you'll see exactly what I mean; minimal = effective! The Rotterdam label sound is a distorted, hardcore version of the Chicago not the Detroit sound. The cult labels out of Europe such as DJAX, SEESAW and STEALTH specialize in the old school sound of Chicago and have cornered that market in doing so. Most of the Chicago Acid House labels like WESTBROOK, TRAX, WAREHOUSE and MUZIQUE have disappeared but, DJAX UP BEATS have managed to liscense most of Muzique's back catalogue for example MD CONNECTION-TRACKS THAT MOVE YA and the upcoming STEVE POINDEXTER-WORK THAT MOTHERFUCKA , which are both over 3 1/2 years old. The sound of Acid in Techno or House derives from the psychedelic sound of an old Roland analog keyboard box called a TB303. Originally on the market for $100 12 years ago, now it sells for more than $300 used, unless y ou can find someone who doesn't know the true value of it. Some of the first Acid records t o come out were PHUTURE-ACID TRACKS and SLEAZY D-I'VE LOST CONTROL back in 1987 on the TRAX label. TRAX was famous for putting out some really killer Acid records and infamous for the worst pressings in the history of dance music. Their records were pressed on recycled vinyl, which meant impurities like pops, skips & low sound quality. Since they were shrink wrapped, buying a TRAX record was a hit or miss situation unless you opened it and inspected the quality. MIKE DUNN, ARMANDO, BAM BAM, ADONIS, STEVE POINDEXTER, ROBERT ARMANI, TYREE & FAST EDDIE are the main old school influences on the sounds of today. Unfortunately, most of the original masters have gone on to other (not better) things with the exception of Robert Armani who has progressed with new releases coming out on ACV/Italy & Mike Dearborn with new releases coming out on DJAX/Holland.. Today there is a growing scene in Chicago, where the kids are looking to Europe for the sound that was originally theirs. The Chicago underground scene is no more but, the sound will be carried on by those who know. So, respect is given where respect is due. An Interview with Abel Straight from the Sydney Underground Hi Heather and Hi NY possee. I'm Krishan & I' m here with ABEL, he is one of the top DJs in Sydney at the moment. A:Hello K:For those not familiar with your stuff let's start with what DJ style you have & the vibe that you are trying to achieve through your music. A:Basically this winter everything was techno but, there is a new sound that i've been getting into at the moment, best described as acid trance. Techno was sort of bang, bang here I am dance to me; very hard on the ears. K:How well recieved do you think this new sound will be in the upcoming months? A:I think that it will be the new sound for the summer, it's basically already started happening overseas. At the moment, not everyone is into it, but slowly it will rise. K:Why don't you describe the scene here in Sydney for the people who aren't familiar with it. Tell the m what it's all about here. A:Well the scene is sort of split up, it happened with the HORDEN which were the famous dance parties held here in 1988 & 1989 when house exploded. All you had was House, everyone got into House, from that came the soul 2 soul sound, so the scene split up there. I see the same thing happening now, everyone was into techno, now there are techno parties, ambient parties, piano house p arties; so once again the scene split up. Basically it's a cycle that keeps repeating itself [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: under one sky #7 part 2 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 15:17:33 EST more letters WHAT'S SHAKIN? First off I'd like to thank and commend you on your mag. It's really admirable that you, BGP, and other contributors to U1S work so hard to keep things growing, yet stay relatively underground and all just for pure love of our scene. U1S also helps me keep up with what is going on, between work and school it's hard to make all of the events. I did make it to the Sept Storm rave and it was incredible! BOOM BOOM BOOM all night long. I love it. LENNY DEE is truly a madman and DANTE really got me going when I thought I had nothing left. These events are so special to me. When a couple of thousand people get together in peace and unity and dance until dawn smiling a ll the way it is wonderful, no matter who you are or where you come from, it's at these time s that you truly feel that you belong, that this is where you should be. At least that's what I get out of it. I'd like to make a big fat shout out to Chris in DC and Def in RI. I'm sure we will meet again. Well, thanks again Heather, Bones and to all who are trying to make a wonderful, positive change in our future. PEACE AND MUCH RESPECT, A FRIENDLY RAVER CALLED MIDAS..W. ISLIP NY YO HEATHER AN D THE GROOVE POSSEE What's, up? I'm writing this on my way back to upper Manhattan on the subway, going home from a religious experience called Storm, Sept 19. 5000 people and such energy....Goddamn this is FAT! A friend of mine came from California for this and she said it was nothing like she has ever experienced at a rave out there. Much respect to Storm & Joint Ventures for making this the best rave onf the East Coast to date. I can't think of anything but good things about this event. You' ve all got a friend on 125th Street in HARLEM. All of us here at Digital Confusion say peace! DIGITA L CONFUSION is Upper Manhattan's only strictly Techno promo crew & info network. Please send us some info on the scene everwhere Our ravers would love it PEACE OUT & STAY UNDERGROUND. HEATHER, Thanks for your support of our label & the underground scene. I feel that you have the only truly unbiased publication in NY, therefore all our promos are coming to you sister. Peace in the big apple and remember MAD MIKE stays in Detroit with the roots and so does UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE. Music for minds/not dollars. Stay underground/No sellouts! Peace Mad MIke DETROIT, MICH DEAR HEATHER, Thanks for sending us U1S. We find the magazine very interesting to read. Can you tell us if our records are easy to get in the USA? Beca use last, there was much demand in the underground circuit for SYSTEM WBBS "That Get's M y Heart Pumping" We are existing just one year and our next release will be HIT FACTORY with What You Gonna Do? What records are being discussed in your magazine. Is it the underground ones or all kinds of House music? I am looking forward to the next magazine. WITH KIND REGARDS, LEX VAN COEVERDEN DANCE INTERNATIONAL RECORDS HOLLAND Dear Heather, Thanks for your prompt reply to my letter and the latest copy of U1S. Stupidly, I lent all the copies you have sent me to a DJ friend of mine. Since then, Under One Sky has become almost compulsory reading for Sydney DJs. My (now) battered copies have been read and reread by all who want to stay on the cutting edge.... I think this reflects positively on your excellent work! I will take your advice from now on and photocopy future issues for friends here! PS If you can, could you find out the price of these hard to gets:909, Multi-Moog, Prophet 5 and Oberheim Expander? Much Love As Always, The Mop AUSTRALIA DEAR HEATHER, I am writing to you to give you a desperate view on the r ave scene in the UK at the moment. I met you in May when you came to TOTO'S in Colchester with Adam X. You saw for yourself how few people were there despite the fun had by all who were there and I myself enjoyed it thoroughly. I remember the early raves, the illegal one's especially and attended the very early ones like SUNRISE (Back To The Future) and the early ENERGY parties which opened my eyes to a sound and thought totally new to me and this was the sound of the underground. For years it stayed fresh and it was an honour to be part of it all. Now the scene is stale with only a few who follow the basic ideals of rave culture. Rave will never die because there will always be those of us who know how to party and kick the house. So a word of warning to the ravers of the underground worldwide:HOLD THE FAITH, STAY TRUE TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE! Heather, I was very impressed to see the work that you are doing and hope that you are able to continue your work. A group of friends and myself are currently doing fund raising events so we can help you financially. Would you please write back and give me Continued on page 22 some information on what the clubs and the scene are like at the moment in NY. Maybe you could send some flyers. My flatmate and I are keen DJs and have done some recording work of our own and have a few of our own songs but alas have no contacts with which to proceed any further. I've just com pleted a song which spawned off this letter really. It's slowish with an energetic bass line and rhy thm with an echoey background voice saying "LIKE A NEWBORN CHILD, TOTALLY FREE, TOTALLY WILD. IT CAME, IT GREW, THROUGH THE EYES OF THE FEW. MANY WERE DRAWN THROUGH THE NIGHT TO THE DAWN, THE HOUSE SOUND OF THE UNDERGROUND> I look forward to hearing from you soon. Could you please send me the issues of U1S for the months of June July & August as I haven't been able to get them at all. Keep on Raving, keep the faith. SIMON HIGHWOODS, COLCHESTER UK First of all Heather, your fanzine has really come a long way. I've seen how much work you put into it & I think it has really paid off. Keep 'em coming! The rave has really taken shape over the last year here in NY (not to mention the entire East Coast). We've come a long way since last summer when I first got into the scene. It was still a seed then, which I can say has blossomed into a magnificent tree. For those of you who were at Storm on Sept. 19th you know what I'm talking about. We had over 3500 people in a warehouse/tractor trailer yard in Queens losing thier minds until 8:00 am the next morning and not only was there no problems, but there was the most positive energy I've felt at a large scale event to date. The 19th made me very proud to say that I'm part of Storm. To everyone who was there and contributed to that killer vibe: thanks for making it happen, you guys are fucking hardcore! I don't know how many people ca ught what happened on the last song, but when Dante threw on the "We Are The Champions" RMX, the turntable broke, (actually ALLES NAAR DE KL-TE was the last record played that night) and Frankie st arted spinning it with his finger so the music wouldn't just die. Well as the chorus came on , all of a sudden everyone was squishing into the center of the floor to grab onto one of the sea of hands t hat were thrust up in a cry of triumph and unity. I'm not talking about unity in the violent boroughs of NY or even the US but, an international unity that is growing. There were people and DJs there from all over sharing in that experience on the 19th; it was truly poetic. Between events like MINDSTORM and smaller more intimate events like FLUID where I saw you spin for the first time (you are full of surprises Heather) and you blew my mind. The scene is growing with a really nice balance and becoming more multi-faceted. Not to mention that NJs rave is coming along great and offering some hardcore parties! Unfort unately, the last one I went to got busted but, don't feel bad guys it happens to us all. To everyone else PEACE DON'T STOP FRED STRONG BROOKLYN NY A FRIEND PICKED UP A COPY OF U1S #6 for me in New York City and I was really happy to see a publication dedicated to the underground/Hardcore Techno. Enclosed is a check for a subscription. Dayton, OHIO has no rave scene yet-DETROIT and CLEVELAND are close (2 hours). Cincinatti and Columbus are trying to pull together. A friend and myself will do a visionary rave in Columbus before December. It will be our first on a large scale. RAVE ON JIM WAITER DAYTON, OHIO BY AN EXCITED AND AMAZED BRAIN 6:25 AM SEPT 20th 1992 @ STORM RAVE We are slaves to work; love; DNA; our mind 20 nothings no money; no jobs Some freedom; ideas, hopes, ambitions The system is blind The corporate moneys rule The older humans are established The younger generation is confused and fragmented The rave brings us together Daily life is mundane and petty When we die we will leave it a ll behind All you can really possess is what's in your mind Use your intelligence to look at the big picture ACIEEEEEEEEEED! BY Adam X At this years New Music Seminar, there was a big controversy over the origins of techno. Detroit took the credit that they deserve but, do they really deserve full credit? Not one person stood up and mentioned Chicago. Acid House which originated in Chicago in 1987 has made a huge comeback in the techno underground techno scene where, modern European techno is combined with the old school styles of Detroit and Chicago to create various new styles from trance to hardcore. The UK rave scene started with acid house parties back in 1987. Detroit techno followed but, while Detroit is still kicking ass today with labels like +8, UR, the revival of TRANSMAT and smaller labels ke eping the sound alive; Chicago doesn't put out much of anything anymore which is probably wh y they don't get any credit. The Chicago Acid House sound is very minimal, using the bare essentials; hard 909 drum patterns combined with one or two sounds , or an Acid line. As basic as it seems, just pi ck up a copy of ROTTERDAM TERMINATION SOURCE-POING on Rotterdam Records and you'll see exactly what I mean; minimal = effective! The Rotterdam label sound is a distorted, hardcore version of the Chicago not the Detroit sound. The cult labels out of Europe such as DJAX, SEESAW and STEALTH specialize in the old school sound of Chicago and have cornered that market in doing so. Most of the Chicago Acid House labels like WESTBROOK, TRAX, WAREHOUSE and MUZIQUE have disappeared but, DJAX UP BEATS have managed to liscense most of Muzique's back catalogue for example MD CONNECTION-TRACKS THAT MOVE YA and the upcoming STEVE POINDEXTER-WORK THAT MOTHERFUCKA , which are both over 3 1/2 years old. The sound of Acid in Techno or House derives from the psychedelic sound of an old Roland analog keyboard box called a TB303. Originally on the market for $100 12 years ago, now it sells for more than $300 used, unless y ou can find someone who doesn't know the true value of it. Some of the first Acid records t o come out were PHUTURE-ACID TRACKS and SLEAZY D-I'VE LOST CONTROL back in 1987 on the TRAX label. TRAX was famous for putting out some really killer Acid records and infamous for the worst pressings in the history of dance music. Their records were pressed on recycled vinyl, which meant impurities like pops, skips & low sound quality. Since they were shrink wrapped, buying a TRAX record was a hit or miss situation unless you opened it and inspected the quality. MIKE DUNN, ARMANDO, BAM BAM, ADONIS, STEVE POINDEXTER, ROBERT ARMANI, TYREE & FAST EDDIE are the main old school influences on the sounds of today. Unfortunately, most of the original masters have gone on to other (not better) things with the exception of Robert Armani who has progressed with new releases coming out on ACV/Italy & Mike Dearborn with new releases coming out on DJAX/Holland.. Today there is a growing scene in Chicago, where the kids are looking to Europe for the sound that was originally theirs. The Chicago underground scene is no more but, the sound will be carried on by those who know. So, respect is given where respect is due. An Interview with Abel Straight from the Sydney Underground Hi Heather and Hi NY possee. I'm Krishan & I' m here with ABEL, he is one of the top DJs in Sydney at the moment. A:Hello K:For those not familiar with your stuff let's start with what DJ style you have & the vibe that you are trying to achieve through your music. A:Basically this winter everything was techno but, there is a new sound that i've been getting into at the moment, best described as acid trance. Techno was sort of bang, bang here I am dance to me; very hard on the ears. K:How well recieved do you think this new sound will be in the upcoming months? A:I think that it will be the new sound for the summer, it's basically already started happening overseas. At the moment, not everyone is into it, but slowly it will rise. K:Why don't you describe the scene here in Sydney for the people who aren't familiar with it. Tell the m what it's all about here. A:Well the scene is sort of split up, it happened with the HORDEN which were the famous dance parties held here in 1988 & 1989 when house exploded. All you had was House, everyone got into House, from that came the soul 2 soul sound, so the scene split up there. I see the same thing happening now, everyone was into techno, now there are techno parties, ambient parties, piano house p arties; so once again the scene split up. Basically it's a cycle that keeps repeating itself [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: powerrave pre-party >to everyone in pittsburgh: > > i know it's a little late, but wouldn't it have been cool if there >could've been an ne-raves pre-party up in pittsburgh before powerrave this >friday night?? Sorry most of us here at least as far as I know, including me have dorm rooms plus roomates who are oblivious to the techno scene. Just curious, who all on the net is going??? I will be there, probably sporting my semi-dorky ne-raves badge I got at the Sputnik pre-rave party and kool rave fatigues. Catcha there, Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:18:41 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: under one sky #7 part 2.5 > > The Sept. 19 STORM RAVE which was held in a warehouse /tractor trailer yard > had an electric energy not yet felt at any event on the east coast. The music > was hard and raw. DJs on the night were LENNY D, FRANKIE BONES, MARIO > GENOVESE, ADAM X (top right), JAMES CHRISTIAN (below Adam), JIMMY CRASH, DAN > DC, PETER THE GREAT(below right) and DANTE who played a weird set. He tried > to close the night with a remix of We Are The Champions but, Bones saved the > day by > putting on ALLES NAAR DE KL-TE; the perfect way to end a hardcore night.> Yes, a perfect way to end the night, but I must give my respect to Dante, HE DOESN'T STOP! It was the first time all night I entered trance. He was a good way to end the night also...even with the champions thing, which I could have done without. > > The EVOLUTION VIBE TRIBE took a new direction by setting up a sound system in > a public park in Queens during the day. I did have a wonderful time but, I > think that the kids were more into playing hacky sack than listening to > techno. Not enough attention, let alone appreciation was shown to the DJs. > > Ahem. I, personally, would like to stress my deep appreciation for the DJ's that day. I had been raving all the night before, and did my best to dance, and I wish other people had, but it still was one of the best experiences ever, listening to techno with the sun in my face. It was great for a daytime party. I don't think anybody would have been there without the techno, you know, plus the other things that make a good vibe. It was happy, happy fun for me, and one of the great things abou t it was having the DJs just be with the rest of us. Sorry, just felt the need to comment. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:25 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: powerrave pre-party Brian wrote: >I will be there, probably sporting my semi-dorky ne-raves badge I got at the Sputnik pre-rave party Well GEE Brian, thanks a lot. It took a lot of work to make those damn things. I've had to cut out so many of them lately that I think if I ever see a pair of scissors again I'll cry. Last time *I* do anything for you guys . . . . (sniff) Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:32 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: sarcasm Just in case you all care -- I was being sarcastic (more or less) about the badges. Can't please everyone stylistically you know. Peace (especially to Brian), Laura (with the fragile ego) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:23:56 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: under one sky #7 part 2.5 > The Sept. 19 STORM RAVE which was held in a warehouse /tractor trailer yard > had an electric energy not yet felt at any event on the east coast. The music > was hard and raw. DJs on the night were LENNY D, FRANKIE BONES, MARIO > GENOVESE, ADAM X (top right), JAMES CHRISTIAN (below Adam), JIMMY CRASH, DAN > DC, PETER THE GREAT(below right) and DANTE who played a weird set. He tried ^^^^^^^^ > to close the night with a remix of We Are The Champions but, Bones saved the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > day by ^^^ > putting on ALLES NAAR DE KL-TE; the perfect way to end a hardcore night. Yeah, I heard about this little incident of rave fascism. The last DJ of the night tries to put on his choice of the last song of the night, and one of the other DJs refuses to let him play it. Ooooh -- way cool, guys! How about having a Rave Program Director to decide exactly which songs are "hard" and "raw" enough to be played? Would it really be that awful, at an event that is supposed to nurture a community spirit, to play a song with a positive vibe to it? Even if the song isn't exactly techno, it was the last song of the night, so I can't really imagine worrying about clearing the dancefloor. (One of the DJ's around here plays the old disco hit "We are Family" as his last song whenever he is the last DJ of the rave. It doesn't thrill me to death, but it does go over well with the crowd.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 09 Nov 1992 20:13:20 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: "rave fascism" word. mr "sybase" hit it right on target. those over-commercial, egotistikals over at the storm org have blown it again. why i admit their raves are ok, their attitude needs a lot of work. someone buy them "UForb" and take them to a Sputnik rave, where the "rave feeling" is there 100%. a roomful of happy happy ravers.. i think they need it. i must also ad that dante was the saving grace of the night. the one break our ears had from BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM all night long was dante's magik. the guys at storm should also learn to pace a rave. go in and out of different types of music/djs.. like NASA does...or sputnik. go between hardcore djs, trance, breakbeat, etc...that way those people who like one type in particular can get a little rest while something else is playing. that's strike two for Under One Storm #7. see you all at LIFE! >>taylor909 [ t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t ] ps: i too was a little offended by brian's remark on our ne-rave badges. while they aren't PERFEKT, they are pretty cool, and laura and i work hard on them. care to make the next batch, brian? U N I T Y, PLEASE. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:35:28 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: my last message > but when Dante threw on the "We Are The > Champions" RMX, the turntable broke, (actually ALLES NAAR DE KL-TE was the > last record played that night) and Frankie > started spinning it with his finger so the music wouldn't just die. Well, if this is true, I guess I'll have to retract that last message of mine. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 09 Nov 1992 22:06:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: havoc / ne-rave comp. hey, this is just a quick note for everyone out there.. and of course, to those of you participating in the tape...i think it would be cool to name the comp some sort of "mock name".. you know.. techno style.. like "techno" instead of texaco..."quest" instead of crest... etc... if someone can come up with a cool play on a brand name, i could alter the original product logo on the computer and we could use it as the cover for the comp as well as the title of it... so, for all you raverfolks...post ideas...LOTS OF 'EM! and we can all chose one... after all, it's YOUR comp! i'll come up with some ideas of my own and post 'em... thanks. >>taylor101 [ s q u a r e w a v e f e t i s h i s t ] [ t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t 8 0 8 ] ::system deaktivated [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 09 Nov 1992 23:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: havoc comp name idea hey, i thought using the name of a CEREAL might be fun..no specific ideas yet but something could work.. >>taylor808 [ t r a n c e a c i d 8 0 8 a d d i k t ] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:56:36 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: powerrave pre-party ATTENTION EVERYONE GOING TO POWERRAVE IN PGH.... my roomates and i have decided to actually host the POWERRAVE PRE-RAVE RAVETTE. since we deciced this a short while ago, there are no real plans for anything, except my stereo pumping techno for a couple of hours... I may not be there the whole time as i have to help set up Powerrave. any response is appreciated and even if only one person comes, the party is still on... post or email. rave on, mike bee POWERAVE 92 ADAM X DEADLY BUDA F.U.S.E. and THIS FRIDAY 13, 1992 HEATHER HEATHER dieselBoy CYBERSONIK TOTAL SONIK HYSTERIA RICHIE HAWTIN KRIS KERSEY info:412.621.7759 featuring massive DJ's: ROB SHERWOOD performing LIVE!: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu DR.SLAMMIN' [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:07:13 -0500 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: Re: havoc / ne-rave comp. > >hey, this is just a quick note for everyone out there.. and of course, to >those of you participating in the tape...i think it would be cool to name >the comp some sort of "mock name".. you know.. techno style.. like "techno" >instead of texaco..."quest" instead of crest... etc... if someone can come >up with a cool play on a brand name, i could alter the original product logo >on the computer and we could use it as the cover for the comp as well as the >title of it... > >so, for all you raverfolks...post ideas...LOTS OF 'EM! and we can all chose >one... after all, it's YOUR comp! > Oh, make it a computer brand name or something to keep in the spirit of ne-raves! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: havoc / ne-rave comp. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 1:23:45 EST > if someone can come > up with a cool play on a brand name, i could alter the original product logo > on the computer and we could use it as the cover for the comp as well as the > title of it... As I read this, my eyes lit upon a Ray-O-Vac battery sitting in the pile of junk next to my terminal. There's gotta be possibilities there (Rave- O-What?), or maybe Eveready Energizer. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:23:26 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: havoc / ne-rave comp. >or maybe Eveready Energizer. > >-Ed > how about "RaverReady Technogizer battery-powered Aural Hysteria- It keeps on raving, and raving, and raving...." just an idea ta kick around.... e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Rave Fascism Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 9:14:26 MST Mike Wertheim: > Yeah, I heard about this little incident of rave fascism. The last DJ of the > night tries to put on his choice of the last song of the night, and one of > the other DJs refuses to let him play it. Ooooh -- way cool, guys! I was under the impression that there were technical difficulties. Is there another side of the story? > (One of the DJ's around here plays the old disco hit "We are Family" as his > last song whenever he is the last DJ of the rave. It doesn't thrill me to > death, but it does go over well with the crowd.) You'd probably hate me. Three of my favorite endings: Patsy Cline "If You've Got Leavin' On Your Mind" Sting/Kurt Weil "Spread A Little Happiness" Wolfgang Press "Momma Told Me Not To Come" [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:30:57 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (the cranes are moving on the skyline...) Subject: Re: Rave Fascism You realize, what heather heather writes and what really happens, Doesn't. (at least on this occasion..) I was standing there.. I don't remember seeing ANY squabbling between the DJ's. Maybe it's an ego thing, to keep frankie bones as the NYC god or something, but They fully played we are the champions , and FRANKIE bones spun that with his finger. Then they were about to close, and they decided to play one more song, and they played alles-whatevercrazyflemishthing.. The only disagreement of the night was betweeen frankie and dante over $$$.. UOS tends to exaggerate once in awhile. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:38 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Rave Fascism Pete said: >Mike Wertheim: > >> Yeah, I heard about this little incident of rave fascism. The last DJ of >> the >> night tries to put on his choice of the last song of the night, and one of >> the other DJs refuses to let him play it. Ooooh -- way cool, guys! >I was under the impression that there were technical difficulties. Is there >another side of the story? Well, I was standing about 4 feet from the right turntable when this all happened, and this is what I saw: Dante (after spinning what was in my opinion a BRILLIANT trance set), puts on "We are the Champions." People (me included) sort of groan and giggle at first, but soon you see people singing along and holding their arms in the air and swaying to the music. The song ends, and everyone starts chanting that they want more. So, Frankie says something like "okay, you want more hardcore? How about this?" and starts that Dutch thing that goes at 250 bpm with some guy screaming over it all. Everyone goes nuts, and when it's over Frankie says something like "time to go home everyone" and that's it. I didn't see any angst or whatever going on between Dante and Frankie over *that* (although I did overhear a discussion about how much money Frankie owed Dante). Maybe it didn't really happen the way I saw it -- you know how it goes, 10 people see an accident and you get 9 different stories about what really did happen. I feel that whoever in _Under One Sky_ wrote that "Dante played a weird set / Frankie saved the night" was just being a complete slave to their own interpretations. It's a shame there's so much of that going on connected to the Brooklyn Hardcore Posse. Well, either they'll open up a bit or not. Their raves are still good, and I'll keep going to them as long as the quality of the rave continues to outweigh the amount of the propoganda spewed out. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Re: havoc comp name idea To: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Cc: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <01GQYS1BPUHYAUTIS2@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Hm... a cereal... "Frosted lucky charms...they're magically delicious!" Come on, guys. We must be able to do something with this one!!!! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Favorite last tunes Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:55:07 EST > You'd probably hate me. Three of my favorite endings: > > Patsy Cline "If You've Got Leavin' On Your Mind" > Sting/Kurt Weil "Spread A Little Happiness" > Wolfgang Press "Momma Told Me Not To Come" My own personal fave to end my gigs with is "Black Coffee", by k.d.lang. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:30 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue nov 10 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. NE-RAVE activities this weekend: Pittsburgh -- party at Dr. Slammin's before POWER-RAVE 92. For more info contact Mike at mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu . Even though I can't go I'd like to thank Mike and his roommates here for putting this on! Boston -- A portion of the New York group (Laura, Ed, Taylor) are driving up on Friday. plan to be at The Loft Friday night. Saturday we are going to LIFE in Worcester. See you all there, we'll be wearing our distinctive ne-raves badges (bright green on one side, neon pink on the other, diffraction grating window at the bottom) Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, November 13 POWER-RAVE 92 Pittsburgh, PA (412) - 621 - 7759 Turbo Zen Records Presents P O W E R R A V E 9 2 Friday, November 13, 1992 -- 11 PM to 5 AM $8 Advance Tickets -- $10 at the Door Tickets Available at: Turbo Zen Records / 128 Oakland Ave. / 3rd Floor 412-621-7759 INFO-LINE 412-213-3001 FAX FOR YOU PLEASURE * Multi-flavored Smart Bar * Phree 3-D LaserRave glasses with every advance purchase! * Conciousness altering visual-spacial environment manipulation * Special treets and toyz for the good girls and boys! * Tuff bass ballistics to put the boom in yer juice! * Candyloop ravewear by React * 100% Extra-sweetend vibe 1) Richie Hawtin (Plus 8 Records / Detroit) 2) Adam X -- Heather Heather (Storm Underground / NYC) 3) Rob Sherwood (Underground News / Cleveland) 4) DJ Deadly Buda -- dieselBoy -- Kris Kersey (Turbo Zen Records / Pittsburgh) Performing LIVE! F.U.S.E. (and) Cybersonik Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania // Complete Mental Breakdown EXTRA: Maps available at Turbo Zen records or by calling info-line. No alcohol & no attitude Rave Site: Ardmore Roller Palace, 2400 Ardmore Blvd, East Pittsburgh Brought to you by the kind folks at TeeZee collective Sooper React Storm Rave Plus 8 Records Baba Klub TZ Records Under One Sky Fabulous Records Underground News ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 DEF CON ONE Washington, DC. (201) - 638 - 3272 DEF CON ONE 1 Fryday the 13th November Washington, DC Do you feel lucky? Defcon 1 Fryday the 13th of Novemeber.... 10pm - 8 am 13 in advance 15 on the day purchase from Music Now 806 F Street NW D.C. (202) 638-3272 for tickets, info, Bus Trip info... They'll be having a Jolt Bar (just Jolt soda) and a Smart Bar featuring Fierce Ruling Diva (Whipped Kream, Rub it in, & You Gotta Believe) djs... Doc Martin (West Coast) & Frankie Bones (East Coast) Keoki - Limelight Destructo - from L.A. Scott Henry - Catastrophic Liven DeGeyndt - owner of Music Now/dj Dave Trance - from Long Island Micro - from Long Island Bobble & Suze Cyclone - Atomic Bass and JP - D.C. This will be the one true rave that will set the pace for all raves to come. If you thought Future or Storm Rave was big wait till you see this. Def Con 1 has the the best Dj line up the East coast has ever scene. First is Frankie Bones, known as the east coast hardcore techno master. Competing head on is "Doc Martin" the west coasts premier Dj. When these two get together all hell is going to break lose. But the intensity does not stop there. After these two legends comes Keoki {NY's Disco 2000) and also Destructo (LA Recording artist} This is the first time that Doc Martain, keoki, and Destucto have ever played in the Washington DC area. Other Dj's include the local talent of Dj Scott Henry (who has played at almost every single rave in the east coast) Jay P, Suzie Cyclone, and Bobble.(watch out for these three because the are hot) After all this the energy still does not stop. Performing live will be Fierce Ruling Diva. This Rave will take place on Friday November 13, 1992 in Washington DC. For tickets and Maps all Music now at 202-638-3272 or call 301-441-2924. see you there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 MAGICK Minneapolis, MN (612) 649 - 4708 RAVE RAVE MAGICK: transmutation in the land of ahhs! Friday, 13 of November Aural assault engineering, lighting programmes & technical voodoo by: FULL ON Video stimulation and opression by: BlissTechs Potions for your concious party concocted by: RUSTY's SMART BAR Mmmmmmmm... Sonic torture inflicted by: DJ acid bath DJ CAT IN THE HAT Cedar Cultural Center: West Bank at Cedar/Riverside in Minneapolis FREE RAVE CAND-E FOR ALL UNFORTUNATE SOULS LOIS Communications N.U.T.S. $6 9:00pm TILL 1:00am $6 for info call (612) 649-4708 rave in peace ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 LIFE Worcester, MA (617) - 266 - 1987 Saturday, November 14 L I F E 10pm to 10am * $15 Fortified with 14 Essential Global DJ's: damon wild (northcott) dante (new york / NASA / storm / thunderground) dave the wave (new haven / bar) dave trance (long island) debo (boston / venus / axis) mac de hay (belgium) mayhem (boston / the loft) micro (long island / caffiene / thunderground) mr. kleen (new york / primal) overload (maine) repete (new york / limelight) scott henry (washington dc) tim ryan (boston / venus / HMV records) wink (philadelphia) 60K sound * 5 megawatt full sprectrum laser * mega intellegent lighting visuals by psycoptiks Special Live Performance by EQUINOX featuring NYC's Mindcontroller Romeo Romeo Location: Loews Theater 261 Main St. Worcester 508.757.0001 100% Bust Free Legal Location Advance Tix Available At: Allston Beat - Boston (phone # messed up on flyer) Boston Beat - East Boston (617)-561-4790 Lunacy - Providence (401)-272-5862 Mindwarp - Boston (617)-266-1987 Music Now - DC (202)-638-3272 Loews Theater - Worcester (508)-757-0001 Vinylmania - New York City (212)-463-7120 Tix also available at Loews the day of the event. Hype: Mello Mello * Amoebahead * Catastrophic * Vagabond * Harmony Evolution * X-Cubed * Big Fun House ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 QUEST Providence, RI This came out of _Under One Sky_, but I'm not sure this rave is really happening now since LIFE got moved to the 14th and since Amoebahead/Big Fun House (who put on QUEST) are part of LIFE. That issue of _UOS_ was printed before LIFE was moved and before the November Storm Rave was moved to December 12. But who knows? Can someone find out for sure? NOV 14 QUEST RAVE RHODE ISLAND w/DJs SANDRA COLLINS(LA), JIMMY CRASH, HEATHER HEATHER, JAMES CHRISTIAN & LENNY D ring (718) 646-8077 or (212) 629-0261 for ticket and bus info ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 PUNCH Nashville, TN (615) - 780 - 3730 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] PUNCH (as in "how about a nice Hawaiian...") which will be held on November 14, 1992, starting at 10pm. The location will be in a warehouse (not a nightclub like all the past Nashville raves), and we are expecting around 1200 people. For exact location and directions, ravers should call 615-780-3730. Long-sleeve 100% cotton XL t-shirts with the PUNCH logo in 4 colors on both sides will be available for $18 around November 1st, if anyone is interested. I (Laura) found a flyer for PUNCH on alt.rave. I was a bit weirded out to see that it copies parts of the POWER-RAVE flyer. Can't people be a little more individual? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Article 4059 (20 more) in alt.rave: From: moorewd@wkuvx1.bitnet (Hallucin-8) Subject: Re: raves in Kentucky Date: 29 Oct 92 04:35:46 CST Organization: Korova WHQ Lines: 40 PUNCH - coming live with the jive - saturday novermber 14 10pm - 6am * 18+ to enter call for directions: 615-780-3730 for your pleasure: multiflavored smart bar, free h2o consciousness-altering visual-spatial environment manipulation special treets and toyz for good girls and boys tuff bass ballistics to put the boom in your juice 100% extra-sweetened vibe admission $12/$10 with invite or out of town ID presented by anode ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 TECHNOPOLIS Chicago I read on alt.rave that the people who do TECHNOPOLIS in Chicago are going to try again. Sorry, but I have no other information. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 20 THE HOUSE OF EUPHORIA Cincinnati, OH (513) 860 - 6039 (614) 523 - 8711 (216) 348 - 4701 (313) 358 - 9882 1-800-4RAVE-LINE Thome Tomato, the man that brought you RAVEONE, now takes you to... the HOUSE of EUPHORIA with a live performance by MOBY Friday November 20, MCMXCII Spinning in the house: From LA DJ Doc Martin [of the LA Underground] Detroit Richie Rich New York Keoki Toledo DJ Boomer Cleveland Rob Sherwood Columbus Kevy Kev Cincinnati DJ Daisy 6 Watt Laser by Retina Fry to X-Pand your sight... Lighting by Scotto... 12x12 Sega Genesis Video Wall starring Sonic the Hedgehog Loops by Ecstacy Effects ...Special Thanx to Everyone in the Midwest Scene... Ticket & Location information: Cincinnati 513.860-6039 Columbus 614.523-8711 Cleveland 216.348-4701 Detroit 313.358-9882 New York 1-800-4RAVE-LINE Sponsored by ACT UP, PROJECT X, VOOM, BANG-instant RAVE GEAR, WIZARD RECORDS, PLUS 8 RECORDS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 JOURNEY TO THE MILKY RAVE Baltimore, MD (410) - 563 - 7880 Ultraworld Xcursion presents: J o u r n e y t o t h e M i l k y R a v e Saturday, November 21, 1992 Baltimore, MD Djs Scott Henry - Baltimore Jason Jinx - NYC Josh Wink - Philly Neuromancer - DC Bobble - Baltimore Proctile - DC Sun - Annapolis Boarding Passes Available at Modern Music Baltimore (410) 523-1882 Music Now Washington (202) 638-3272 $10 in Advance, $13 at the door Smart drinks by Neuro Energy Raveware by nuclear Kiss, Lucid V Experience Moon Dancing in the Gyrobix Anti-Gravity Simulator Zap out with Syncro Energize's Virtual Reality Ultraworld Xcursions Rave line: (410) 563-7880 [Note: The 1st Ultraworld was very good. These promoters can do a rave. - Rob] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 LOON-EE-TOONS Toronto (416) - 760 - 3232 PLEASURE FORCE AND SPG MUSIC PRESENTS LOON-EE-TOONS SATURDAY NOV 21 IN TORONTO PLEASURE LINE 416-760-3232 MEETING POINT UNION STATION FREE TRANSPORT TO VENUE AND BACK LIVE PA'S: NRG perf. "He Never Lost his Hardcore", etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 Nashville, TN I heard on alt.rave that there will be a rave in Nashville on this day. Moby will be performing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 [name?] Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 Camper says: superdooper news! the next rave in portland, maine run by the same people (mayday rave, pure, crusade) are doing it again. november 28th, i believe in the same location as crusade (a wharehouse). DJ's fantasy from england onionz from NY (god is back!) dale charles from san diego 333-mgee from boston/london mayhem that's right folks, it will be pure and simple, slap-happy lovey huggy happy techno break beaty BLISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 EXODUS Toronto (416) - 790 - 8132 MAJOR RAVE ANNOUNCEMENT EXODUS PRODUCTIONS proudly presents SHUT UP AND DANCE and PETER BOUNCER LIVE!! In their first ever North American Appearance Plus surprise openning act (all acts confirmed) Saturday November 28, 1992 in Toronto, Canada Exodus Event Line 416-790-8132 Location: 888 Yonge Street No meeting point - no bollox. Tickets 15 advance, 20 at door ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 FUTURE PERFECT Cleveland, OH (216) - 391 - 2345 FUTURE PERFECT Saturday, November 28 Cleveland, Ohio DJ's: Adam X Heather Heather Rob Sherwood Mike Filly DJ Smack (Chicago) The InXomniak of Unity (Detroit) (216) 391-2345 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 Return to orbit on December 5th, 1992 Satellite Productions The Inventors of SPUTNIK and SPUTNIK II PRESENTS E X P L O R E R I a new generation of satellite raves ... info line: (212) - 465 - 3299 new location within 10 miles of NYC ... (Westchester County) EXPLORER I -- Leaving the Stratosphere into the Solar System ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 This is listed in _Under One Sky_ as taking place on November 28 but I heard from one of the promoters that the date is really December 12. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:37 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue nov 10 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X This the last week I will post the club list as part of the Rave-O-Matic Index. It's just getting too big. Starting next Tuesday I will post the club list as "NE-RAVES Techno Club List" seperate from Rave-O-Matic. Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard Baltimore -- Thurs. Fever (2 times a month) at Paradox (Scott Henry) Tripotronic Groove (once a month) at Paradox (Atomic Vibe) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Columbus -- Thurs. - Sat. 700 High Detroit -- Sat. NUDE New Jersey (Union City I think) -- Wed. The Quarry New Haven -- Sat. Bar Tune Inn New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight (dAncE EnErgY) Peace (Acid House) Insomniacs [Queens] Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] Sat. UFO Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond (215) - 592 - 8481 Pittsburgh -- Thurs. and Sun. Metropol Providence -- Sun. Club Babyhead Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Minneapolis, MN -- Wed. First Avenue Thurs. The Parameter Sun. The Saloon Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn Wed. Vault Thurs. Tracks Laura laura@usl.com Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, November 13 POWER-RAVE 92 Pittsburgh, PA (412) - 621 - 7759 DEF CON ONE Washington, DC. (201) - 638 - 3272 MAGICK Minneapolis, MN (612) 649 - 4708 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 LIFE Worcester, MA (617) - 266 - 1987 QUEST Providence, RI (may have been moved) PUNCH Nashville, TN (615) - 780 - 3730 TECHNOPOLIS Chicago ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 20 THE HOUSE OF EUPHORIA Cincinnati, OH (513) 860 - 6039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 JOURNEY TO THE MILKY RAVE Baltimore, MD (410) - 563 - 7880 LOON-EE-TOONS Toronto (416) - 760 - 3232 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 [name?] Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 EXODUS Toronto (416) - 790 - 8132 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 FUTURE PERFECT Cleveland, OH (216) - 391 - 2345 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:52:24 -0500 (EST) From: Damian T Higgins Subject: Re: Favorite last tunes My fave last tune is this happy little number called WONDERFUL DAY by the Uk Breakbeat group FLAG. Very trancey/trippy with this happy kiddy like backing melody and an old man singing "On a wonderful day like today.... today.....". Great song. dieselBoy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 10:16:49 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Favorite last tunes I just picked this up a few days ago and would LOVE to hear this end a night (begin a morning): It's cheesy, yes, but indulge me (when haven't you? ;) Giorgio Moroder with Philip Oakey "Together in Electric Dreams" (from the movie "Electric Dreams") hey, I even got the 12"! Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: worcester rave saturday Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:31:38 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU i'm driving to woooooooooostah.... i don't know if i'll have room though.... i live in baker, room 515, phone number 57265 gimme a call -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: It's finally happened Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:31:33 MST Howard Berkey: > Well it's finally happened. Yesterday I was talking to Mark@ameba and > he says, "Man,have you seen this yet?" and he hands me this little > flyer shaped like America. It was an ad for (get this): The Knott's > Berry Farm new years' RAVE. That's right, Knotts berry farm is having a rave. > I may be jumping to conclusions here, but this seems a little commercially > motivated to me :). All the rides will be open and Frankie Bones, the > BIFF of rave dj's, is listed as playing there. I couldn't believe it. > And it's being put on by the Knott's berry farm staff. Ooooo! Tell me, does "Under One Sky" have any full page ads for this rave? I wonder if this falls under their "underground" designation. What am I saying? Of course it does! It isn't called "Sputnik"! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:31 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Giorgio Moroder Brian says: >Giorgio Moroder with Philip Oakey >"Together in Electric Dreams" (from the movie "Electric Dreams") Speaking of Giorgio, where the *heck* is he now? He was making techno/disco back in the 70's -- remember his "Theme from Midnight Express." That qualifies as techno to me. Oh god that churning mechanical bass line. Imagine what kind of pulsy acidy trance stuff you could put on top of *that* one. Why the heck isn't he making techno now, or is he and I just don't know about it? Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: 2nd request to unsubscribe From: RAMSEY%MAINE.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:42:47 EST [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 10 Nov 1992 13:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: fav. end of the night rave tunes along the lines of damian's "wonderful day" favorite.. is mine "it's a fine day" by OPUS 3. soothing, happy music. actually, it's more of my favorite to hear when i get home from a rave... but, i love hearing it there too. >> taylor707 [ s q u a r e w a v e f e t i s h t e a m ] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:01:35 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Re: Giorgio Moroder To: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <9211101839.AA20758@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Message-Id: I think he's pulled a Shep Brian Eno and is doing europop/technopop/sodapop producing now. I seem to remember seeing his name pop up on some ZTT releases a couple of years ago. Yet another name to add to the ranks of the "Whatever happened to..." list. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:57 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: It's finally happened Howard Berkey (via Pete Ashdown): > >> he says, "Man,have you seen this yet?" and he hands me this little >> flyer shaped like America. It was an ad for (get this): The Knott's >> Berry Farm new years' RAVE. That's right, Knotts berry farm is having a rave. >> I may be jumping to conclusions here, but this seems a little commercially >> motivated to me :). All the rides will be open and Frankie Bones, the >> BIFF of rave dj's, is listed as playing there. I couldn't believe it. >> And it's being put on by the Knott's berry farm staff. > >Ooooo! Tell me, does "Under One Sky" have any full page ads for this rave? I >wonder if this falls under their "underground" designation. This REALLY pisses me off. Not only is it not at all underground, it means that Frankie won't be home for New Year's. Does this mean there will be no New Year's Storm Rave? It is a TOTAL SHAME that Frankie is so warped now. He did get a scene really moving here in the New York area, and that in turn helped to spawn a lot of what's going on here in the East Coast. The Storm Rave Organisation does put on excllent raves. Their club, The Thunderground, is a great place. Now it seems Frankie's selling out big time. I wonder if it's really true -- there have been cases where DJs have been put on flyers without their permission, but since Knott's is such a businesslike place I can't believe they'd do something like that. I feel like I did when I found out that Santa Claus wasn't real. And, assuming that this is true, I have a funny feeling that we won't be hearing any information about it around here in New York ... Frankie's gotta keep that Underground Mystique, you know? Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: englis@rpi.edu Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:14:08 -0500 Subject: Re: what do you tink... As far as E and emotions go... it's typically a very happy drug. Infact the first time a FOAF took it, he was quite scared , but later he commented on the bliss that had overcame him. I don't see the correlation between the emotion in the beginning and the emotion when the drug takes hold, that only applies to LSD. Also... could someone list some dates of raves that are coming to the northeast, along with where I might call about them... Thanks.. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:28:04 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Did you...? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] > Also... could someone list some dates of raves that are coming to the > northeast, along with where I might call about them... Read this week's rave-o-matic... ...then, apologize to Laura. CaRoLyN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:50:59 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: bus from boston to life debo sayeth: there will be some kind of minivan or shuttle from boston to the life rave in worcester this saturday. call him (mindwarp) at 266-1987 for details. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (do you understand?) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: It's finally happened Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:19:44 EST > Their club, The Thunderground, is a great place. I haven't been there in a couple of weeks, but people who have say it's really swinging to the club end of the club/rave continuum, i.e., lots of posing. Not that the venue itself has changed -- it's still wonderful. I wonder how much they'd charge to rent it out for a night... > And, assuming that this is true, I have a funny feeling that we won't be > hearing any information about it around here in New York ... Frankie's gotta > keep that Underground Mystique, you know? You think? I'm wondering if he sees himself as ready to go completely above ground. Considering that he's been putting out his "bonesbreaks" albums for years, he's a principal in an above-ground club, he's running a record store and a private record label, and he writes a regular column ("The Bones Report") in Streetsound magazine, it sounds to me like he dreams of putting on a suit and going to work for Sony Music Entertain- ment (Bklyn) Ltd. to head up their new Hahd-Koah Division. Sure beats getting your "1200's and a strobe" brickyard raves busted, right? Face it folks, it's going to be up to us to keep the underground scene going, as the rest of it works its way upward... -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 09:50:41 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: fwd: my visit to NY This was posted to sfraves.... > From: avanderw@us.oracle.com > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 14:21:58 PST > To: sfraves@soda.berkeley.edu > Subject: my visit to NY > > > hello everybody......TAXI here, > > I've just came back from a little trip to Manhattan (East Village) for two > weeks. I was there to visit my sister, but I did make it to one rave, and two > clubs playing house. Boy oh boy, the rave scene is different from the SF > scene. I actually like the New York scene better than the San Francisco scene > of today. The New York ravers are younger and don't have anywhere near as much > dancing energy, and are way laid back. But they are really openly friendly > people ravers. The scene is *really* underground over there, unlike the > current San Francisco scene. Another thing I noticed is that there was a > male\female ratio of, in my estimate, 40\60. Being so used to the Bay Area > rave ratio of more like 70\30 male\female in my opinion, this took some > getting used to. > > Maybe I just went to the right places, but the raver scene in Manhattan does > not seem to be commercialized (yet?). I heard that the Holloween NASA rave > was a total flop but I went to NASA the next week (in an obscure part of town > near the Holland Tunnel) and it was kicking, New York style - lovely people > wearing very funky > rave outfits who didn't seem to have any problem coming up to me to talk or > share their doobie with me. Maybe I was just lucky. Plus the slowest music > I heard them play is acid house - no disco nor disco house like they seem to > be playing more and more over here. Again, maybe I was just lucky. > > Whistles are still IN over there -- I loooove > whistles, I had forgotton how good they are at energizing the whole crowd. > I'm going to buy a new whistle (a friend of mine borrowed my old one about 7 > months ago) and will probably be tooting skillfully (I'm not one of those > annoying whistlers who can only blow it for a minimum of 2 seconds at a time - > sexual innuendo not intended) in raves to come. > > The after hours places are quite underground. This after*party place > called, "Save the Robots" doesn't even have any sign from the outside hinting > anyone of its existence. The after*after*party place whose name I can't recall > looks like it's part of a regular residential block - there is absolutely no > hint from the outside that it even exists. > > I still have to check out the raves at Brooklyn and the Bronx, maybe next > summer. > > Well, I'm back in the Bay Area and am wondering how things have > stayed the same/changed. I've only been away for 2 weeks but it seems like a > lot longer. > > - TAXI > > ps. I had a really amazingly good time at Freedom Harvest where I felt like > everything was surreal, partly due to the magnificent view. It was so fun > helping that passed out dude off the island - I was taking it seriously > but I was also having fun helping him maybe because it was sooo dreamlike. > Hi Geoff - you didn't even seem to recognize me when I came to your > assistance in helping that guy. Who says you can't have fun while helping? > > But I was only helping him for about what felt like 1/100th of my time > at Freedom Harvest because I felt like I was almost everywhere at the same > time. > [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:10 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Knott's Berry Farm and Frankie Bones -- NOT Howard Berkey from sfrave just sent this to me, clearing up my question about Frankie Bones spinning at the Knott's Berry Farm Rave on New Year's. He asked me to post it to ne-raves, so here we are: >ACK! Sorry. Frankie Bones won't be there..... I saw him on a >different flyer. HOWEVER, this rave has: >1. An LA number >2. An 800 number (What, no 900 number? :) ) > >I'm at work again and I don't have the flyer with me but I promise >I'll type it in when I get home. > >-H- Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: fav. end of the night rave tunes On xxx, 10 Nov 1992, TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU wrote: > > > along the lines of damian's "wonderful day" favorite.. is mine "it's a fine > day" by OPUS 3. soothing, happy music. actually, it's more of my favorite > to hear when i get home from a rave... but, i love hearing it there too. > > >> taylor707 > > [ s q u a r e w a v e f e t i s h t e a m ] Whoa! I'm glad I waited to say that--you just plain read my mind, or whatever. By the way...kinda unrelated, but I'd like to sorta introduce myself to someone, you, all of you, whoever you all includes. (English is not working today for me). My name is Nayeli, they call me Ni (pronounced nie, or nigh...) when they can't pronounce my name. I'm new to e-mail entirely, and this ne-raves thing. I live in Upper Manhattan, and usually go to Nasa, sometimes Thunderground. Anybody log on from around here? For anybody that goes to NASA, look for me. I'm 5'4", my hair is braided, past shoulder length, brown. I don't stop dancing all night, and I'm usually smiling. I want to know who you guys out there are! Hope to see you at some raves too. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:38:06 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Thunderground You know, there's one thing that REALLY bothers me about Thunderground. My friend Carlos and I went to the opening and we were RAVED DOWN, so we got chosen from the line and rushed right in, which sure was cool, but very uncool, if you know what I mean. Is this gonna turn into some Limelight bs or something? How about having everyone wait their turn in line no matter how they're dressed. *sigh* [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:41:54 EST From: Susan Kameny Subject: No subject Hiya...anyone going to def con 1 this weekend from dc...two loveable furry (not |) carless american u. ravers need a ride to it...plez..(: we are willing to ch ip in gas money and come as far out as we can on metro...email me plez...eterna l thanx...party on...susie [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Asif Ikram Subject: Virtual Reality game The Virtual Reality games are going to be on Carnegie Mellon's campus the same day as POWER RAVE. Friday the 13th from 11am to 11pm. I know its free and open to all to watch on a big screen, but the tickets to play might be sold out. Worth it just to see and experience, especially before going. Just to get in the moood. - A S I F [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 10 Nov 1992 22:31:39 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: thunderground bullshit. nayelit says: You know, there's one thing that REALLY bothers me about Thunderground. My friend Carlos and I went to the opening and we were RAVED DOWN, so we got chosen from the line and rushed right in, which sure was cool, but very uncool, if you know what I mean. Is this gonna turn into some Limelight bs or something? How about having everyone wait their turn in line no matter how they're dressed. *sigh* ,.. YOU ARE FUCKING KIDDING!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! please please please tell me that frankie's posse DIDN't choose people to go in... i think i'm gonna be sick. ] well, it is ONLY a club.. but, if they ever even THINK of doing that for storm, then.. well.. i don't know...one more reason to stay away from the non-unifying brooklyn boys and girl. one more reason to be glad i'm a devoted NASA fan... nasa's a bunch of happy ravers dancing and chatting like it was sputnik.. (that is until around 4am when the limelight closes.. then we get some kids showing up to show off)... this whole storm/frankie/under one storm thing is really starting to bother me...laura, ed and myself we actually wondering if we should NOT go to storm. but we all came to pretty much the same conclusion: as long as the raves the storm raves themselves are good (which they are) and as long as frankie's bullshit doesn't affect us, or anyone else, directly, then we'll keep on going. as soon as storm's "underground" gets too commercial (it's getting there) and as soon as frankie's attitude gets in the rave's way.. then we're out. someone please tell them what the scene is about. :::: anyway.. i thought of a potential cool name for the havoc music/ne-rave comp... instead of Sprite (the soda).. Spirit. just an idea.. i've gotten a few ideas from people.. i figure i'll post a bunch, and then we can all vote or something...anyway, keep the ideas coming in. hope to see some o' you at LIFE. >>taylor808 [ t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t ] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: end uh tha night stuff Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:42:46 PST I wish I knew more about which songs are best to end raves with--in LA, we're lucky to make it to 11pm these days. (*sigh*) My personal favorite so far has been "Strawberry Fields Forever" by Candyflip. If I had a choice, or if _I_ was DJing (??!!) I'd go with the Mondays..."Dennis and Lois" or maybe "W.F.L. Think About the Future Mix". Carn't top 'em, so I say. Jim :) hi, Nayeli :) :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: thunderground bullshit. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:44:10 EST > > My friend Carlos and I went to the opening and we were RAVED DOWN, so we > > got chosen from the line and rushed right in, > > please please please tell me that frankie's posse DIDN't choose people to go > in... It did in fact happen, but only for a short time when the line was the longest. I still don't know if that was intentional, or if the door girl Just Didn't Get It. I complained loudly enough when I finally got in that the door girl tried to get the bouncers to throw me out, but they wouldn't do it. Every time I've been there since, she's made sure to give me the dirtiest look possible, but I've gotten to know enough people there that she hasn't tried to flag me again. > well, it is ONLY a club.. but, if they ever even THINK of doing that for > storm, then.. well.. i don't know... Oh, I *do* know. I just wonder if Heather would print the letters. :-) > one more reason to be glad i'm a devoted NASA fan... I still haven't been there -- gotta check it out. nasa's a bunch of happy ravers dancing and chatting like > :::: anyway.. i thought of a potential cool name for the havoc music/ne-rave > comp... instead of Sprite (the soda).. Spirit. Well, after a quick trip to my naturally refrigerated garage, where I keep my soda, the Sprite can is definitely workable. (Sunkist Orange was a total flop, Fresca looks too much like a beer can, Barq's is too down- home, Pepsi is already overused, and Coca-Cola pretty much claims trademark ownership of the color red. :-) On the way back, I checked a few coffee cans as well. The one that looked the most promising for parodizing was Maxwell House Master Blend. Joe Bob says check it out. :-) Another thing I like seeing is some symbol that just seems like a non- sequitur, like the washing machines all over the Zoo Rave comp. The cover is sort of like a detergent box, but it appears to be a bit more generic (presumably to keep Clorox's copyright lawyers at bay). It's just fun. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:40:46 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: purex raves in chicago. hi there fellow raver folks. my band (toxic beatbox) has just had an offer from Shannon from the purex rave group in chicago, to play at a rave there in january. (hey, they're flyin' us there!).. does anyone know anything about these raves? who usually spins? what the chicago crowd is like..etc... i was also wondering what kind of set we should do..we do a lot of hard stuff, but also have a really blippy analog set... what are those chicago ravers into? i'm sure we'll do a mix of stuff.. to of course, best represent us.. but i'm interested in finding out a little more about the scene.. if anyone could help, i'd appreciate it. if anyone's from the area... check us out.. and say hi! >>taylor909 [ s q u a r e w a v e t r a n c e a c i d f e t i s h i s t ] he's not a guy...he's a machine. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: maxwell house some of my friends are already doing something with the maxwell house thing. ACID HOUSE. GOOD TO THE LAST DROP. :) but, i do think the sprite can is workable.. but i'm also getting in some neat ideas from other people... there's really a few paths to take.. you can take the silly/raver route.. and do something like "nutter butter bites" and turn it into "nutty raver beats" or something cute and ravey like that.. or we can go a more dreamy MOOD approach.. like sprite= spirit... i would like to have 'unity' in the title... but, who knows!?! 'nutty raver beats' could work!? :) >>taylor 202 your mind becomes the microchip the angel is the beat [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: havoc name idea update all right boys n' girls... here's some names i've had come in so far for the havoc music/ne-rave comp. let me know what your favorites are.. and of course, keep sending in ideas: Five Alive - Rave Alive (brian) Miracle Whip - Miracle Trip (camper) Corn Flakes - Corn Breaks (erik) Kix - Kicks (erik) Alpha Bits - Alpha Bytes (erik) Eveready Energizer - RaverReady Technogizer (evan) Total Cereal - Total Techno (zach) Unisom (sleeping pills) - Unity (zach) Sprite - Spirit (taylor) there's some neat ones in there..any favorites? >> taylor909 [ t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t ] he's not a guy, he's a machine. =ity. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:08:39 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Pre-Power Stuff (Pittsburgh) If you are going to the Power Rave this 13th, you should listen to the radio show I do when you drive in. Techno Terrorists 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh 8pm-Midnight Fridays (If you are coming earlier, Brian Bozarth is on from 6-8, and also plays techno, and probaby wouldn't care if you stop in.) I do this so with a friend of mine, Sean Goller. If you want you could even stop in and hang out. If Mike Bataglia(sp?) ends up not being able to hold everyone, then come down. We have plenty of space to hang out, and as Asif pointed out, the virtual reality thing will be going on near by 'til 11pm. If you need instructions on how to find the station, then call up after 6pm at 621-9728. It's not that hard to find. Hope to catch some of you there. -Matt [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 03:28:06 EST From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Havoc Name From TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Wed Nov 11 00:32:06 1992 Return-Path: Received: from silver.lcs.mit.edu by mcs.drexel.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA26855; Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:32:03 EST Received: from ACF6.NYU.EDU by silver.lcs.mit.edu with SMTP id AA25650; Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:19:15 -0500 Received: from ACFcluster.NYU.EDU by ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (PMDF #2884 ) id <01GR07PYWO5SAUTL8M@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU>; Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:18:57 EDT Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: maxwell house To: ebh@mink.mt.att.com Cc: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <01GR07PYWXSYAUTL8M@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"ebh@mink.mt.att.com" X-Vms-Cc: RAVENET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO some of my friends are already doing something with the maxwell house thing. ACID HOUSE. GOOD TO THE LAST DROP. :) but, i do think the sprite can is workable.. but i'm also getting in some neat ideas from other people... there's really a few paths to take.. you can take the silly/raver route.. and do something like "nutter butter bites" and turn it into "nutty raver beats" or something cute and ravey like that.. or we can go a more dreamy MOOD approach.. like sprite= spirit... i would like to have 'unity' in the title... but, who knows!?! 'nutty raver beats' could work!? :) >>taylor 202 your mind becomes the microchip the angel is the beat How about the Arm & Hammer baking soda, under arm & hammer it says "The Standard of Purity" Maybe something like "Arm & Raver" "The Standard of Unity" or something like that... .... uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram Y.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11-NOV-1992 04:53:07.09 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Thunderground >You know, there's one thing that REALLY bothers me about Thunderground. >My friend Carlos and I went to the opening and we were RAVED DOWN, so we >got chosen from the line and rushed right in, which sure was cool, but >very uncool, if you know what I mean. Is this gonna turn into some >Limelight bs or something? How about having everyone wait their turn in >line no matter how they're dressed. *sigh* I still don't get this Limelight stuff. Seems to me they take everyone, because they finally realised they're a tourist club and they better get the cash because soon they'll be the Tunnel II. But you know *why* they chose you, right? I mean look--you dressed like a raver, this is a club you went to to be away from trendy poseurs or no-nothings (HI LIMELITE just tonite i just got back from the Ultamarine-Orbital-and...and? no showwhoopscomebackDec. 1) and so it goes. What's with this guilt shit? Fuck that--look. This raving shit IS elitist. And for a good reason. You don't want just anyone coming into a club, because then that degenerates into a poseur-fest, tourist-fest, dead CLUB cuz people like you complain about all the shits dance out-of-whack and drinking Budweiser's while dancing!! So look. I dress like a raver cuz its a CODE--it means I CARE ABOUT THE SCENE, and it could mean it for you too. BUt wait.... I see Fresh Jive gettin' commercial... Maybe it was just the guy who looked at me tonite and then nodded with a (yeahhesokay) attitude and gave me an UOS#7. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:30:56 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: Thunderground So if I go to a rave without a 20 dollar hat or a 50-dollar jacket or a 30-dollar pack, I don't care about what, exactly? peace-togetherness-energy-music, wasn't that the idea? Darn, where can an uncool person go to dance and share? Betsy (who doesn't own any cool clothing) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Nov 1992 10:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Thunderground where can an uncool person to to dance and share? why, at a REAL fucking rave organized by REAL people. that's where! don't feel put off by the storm organization, they've got a lot of growing and learning to do. if you want to keep a rave to ravers only (what kreig's message was about) then the idea is to promote LESS, keep it more underground, and let EVERYONE in. the folks at storm have a rather large promotion force, so of course they're going to get undesirable people. they should realize that the solution would be less promotion 'cos choosing people from a line isn't what this is all about ... ... >> taylor 909 [ s q u a r e w a v e f e t i s h t e a m ] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: havoc/ne-rave comp name an update from ed: he said that Five Alive, Total Cereal and Alpha Bits have already been used! ack! if you can double check on that Ed, i'd appreciate it.. >>taylor808acid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:45:11 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: quest? i see from rave-o-matic that there's supposed to be a quest in providence this weekend. if anyone has more information it would be much appreciated. thanks, mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: PRE POWERRAVETTE So, who's coming? does anyone want to bring anything?(lights,food,etc.) it's going to be very minimal, just a kind of ne-ravers get-together... please RSVP BY TOMORROW.(thursday) thanks, mike POWERAVE 92 ADAM X DEADLY BUDA F.U.S.E. and THIS FRIDAY 13, 1992 HEATHER HEATHER dieselBoy CYBERSONIK TOTAL SONIK HYSTERIA RICHIE HAWTIN KRIS KERSEY info:412.621.7759 featuring massive DJ's: ROB SHERWOOD performing LIVE!: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu DR.SLAMMIN' [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Poll Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:51:13 MST Please answer and return this form to pashdown@slack.sim.es.com: 1. I know who Meat Beat Manfesto is: 2. I know who Orbital is: 3. I know who Ultramarine is: 4. I have heard Meat Beat Manifesto: 5. I have heard Orbital: 6. I have heard Ultramarine: 7. I own Meat Beat Manifesto music: 8. I own Orbital music: 9. I own Ultramarine music: 10. Aside from anything else (whether they are in a rave or not), I would pay $____ to see these three bands play together. 11. I am paying $____ to see these three bands play together. 12. This doesn't interest me at all, but if it was a rave, I would go: Thanks! Pete (very nervous right now) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason P. Milletary" Subject: Re: Virtual Reality game Actually, the virtual reality is coming to CMU on thursday (day b4 POWER rave). And its pretty much definitely sold out. back to yer regularly scheduled rave topic o' choice....:) --jason ObBlatantPromo: "My Life In The 808 State" Thurdays 6-8pm on WRCT-FM 88.3...pittsburgh w/ dj guile (me) and the trance master dj beEr [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:32:14 PST From: mark@ganymede.apple.com (Mark Baldwin) Subject: Re: Poll i know who mbm is and would like to only have to pay about $12 for this show. i know of and have heard orbital and like them. have heard of ultramarine, but don't know what they sound like. mbm rips and i am definitely going. i hope it is not capitalized upon and the cover turns into $20 or $25 dollars. but i am definitely going as are friends of mine. are you promoting this show? i wouldn't be too worried if i were you. :) oh, and i own mbm music. my girlfriend actually owns it. -mark. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:10 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: 16bit Sampler Anybody know of a good source (store, mail order) to buy an Emax II with just the standard 2MB of RAM? I have a quote for $1750.. is this good? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:29:03 CST From: cermak@stolaf.edu (Todd D Cermak) Subject: Rave For those of you in the midest, there is a rave in Minneapolis on Friday. RAVE RAVE RAVE RAVE Magick = Transmutation in the Land of Ahhs! Friday, 13 of November Aural assult engineering, lighting programs & technical voodoo by; FULL ON Video simulation and oppression by; BLISSTECHS Potions for your concious party concocted by; RUSTY's SMART BAR (mmm..) Sonic toture inflicted by; DJ acid bath DJ cat in the hat Cedar Cultural Center, west bank of cedar/Riverside, Minneapolis! LOIS communications - for info call (612) 649-4708 - $6, start's at 9:00pm ----------- -Todd [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:23:10 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Thunderground Betsy hits it on the nose. I've been going to raves for three years, and I don't have a piece of day-glo anything (other than a whistle I've stopped wearing :) Usually I just dressed in something that made it easy to dance, like shorts or loose jeans, an interesting T-shirt, and to keep myself warm one of those Mexican pullovers (the ones that look like potato sacks but are actually very comfortable). The only piece of headwear I've ever bought is a baseball cap with a bright yellow lightbulb on the front, and a couple of times I painted flourescent paint onto swim goggles and brought those. Point being, the day I have to wear Stussy shorts to get into a rave is the day I give up raving and stay at home and listen to my Orb CD's for the rest of my life. Look, fashion is a form of communication, and unfortunately it's the fastest form of communication when two people who don't know each other meet. If the doorman chooses to read that communication when deciding "who's a raver and who's not" then that's his perogative. But I sure wouldn't go into his club. Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 15:31:15 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Thunderground To reply to taylor's post - yes, if you want to make sure you have a good crowd, flyer selectively. The way we flyered for Connection was - the whole month beforehand, people from the sfraves list would go to raves with tour small business-card-size flyers, and when we'd engage in conversation with people and determine that they'd be willing to drive down to Santa Cruz on a Thursday night, then we'd give them a flyer or two. We'd also give them to the people dancing right in front of the speakers, totally lost in the music. I guess you could say we were skirting the edge of making this a private party and a public rave - certainly no one was turned away at the entrance to the beach. Even though we were selective we didn't base it on appearance, which I think is key. And as it turned out, the crowd that night was terrific. Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Thunderground Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:52:52 MST B'ster: > If the > doorman chooses to read that communication when deciding "who's a raver and > who's not" then that's his perogative. But I sure wouldn't go into his club. I was joking to my partner John the other night that we ought to charge extra for people wearing "Fresh Jive" clothing, after all, they paid extra to buy the stuff. I have a knit cap, lots of baggy pants, big t-shirts and necklaces, the only difference is that I spent about $40 on the whole shebang at various thrift stores rather than $40 on a cap at one store. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:19:15 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (from the mouth of the monster) Subject: Re: Favorite last tunes I love that song; and I loved the movie as well.. While digging through all my junk at my parents house I managed to find a synth theory book that describes some of the synths in the early 80,s and the book has a foreward by thomas dobly... Now, isn't it too bad that it's so difficult to get the synths mentioned in the book... oh well.. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:25:58 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Rave Fascism > The only disagreement of the night was betweeen frankie and dante over $$$.. > > UOS tends to exaggerate once in awhile. I also heard about the incident through the DJ grapevine, and the version I had heard was that Frankie refused to let Dante play the song. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:54:19 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (sounds from the big house) Subject: Re: It's finally happened Tonight I saw a movie about the birth of Rock&Roll... Or at least most of it during dinner with my parents... All the screaming about how "Rock&Roll" would never die; etcetc... The movie showed the life of Alan Freed, the DJ that coined the term "Rock&Roll" and brought the majority of the 50's / 60's groups into popularity.. he went around discovering groups, (i.e. chuck barry, jerry lee lewis) and it dawned on me that the birth of rock and roll and the birth of techno / underground dance music were so similiar... Each fought for the right to "Just have Fun".. Freed says to police who are about to bust up a show because "People are dancing inthe aisles and acting like animals" When in reality they were just having fun, without drugs, without alcohol. Freed tells the police " What you can't stand is a bunch of kids having fun.." Sound familiar? for the show, he started this great rock&roll revolution.. I'm not about to say that techno is a revolution, but the whole rave thing is so similiar.. Authorities upset because people are just having fun. Except; Who's the Alan Freed of the 90's? Is it the people who founded techno and found the "sound" or what? -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:01:46 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (sounds from the big house) Subject: Re: thunderground bullshit. on opening night of the thunderground , they were being selective of who they were letting in and who they weren't... I suppose they wanted to keep the place clear of "fucking 'a'" people... But being selective isn't the way to do it. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:31:14 EST From: "Christopher Penrose" Subject: Limelight (Re: Thunderground) I have complained about Limelight in the past, but after last night, I should take back my complaints. I saw Orbital and UltraMarine there last night, unfortunately Meat Beat Manifesto couldn't get their visas. The entrance was much more liberal than I had noticed in the past. I did arrive early (10pm) however. Chris P [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:10:59 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: choosing the mainstream... well, since we're all on the vein of elitism and arguing about who should or should not get into a club, let me tell you a story about a club in allentown, pa.... picture in your mind an urbanized valley, but one such that the sting of urbanization has come too soon- the people are still reminiscent of the (relatively recent) days of large farms and dirt roads. now, allentown is probably the third largest city in pennsylvania, next to philadelphia and pittsburgh. there are several clubs located in allentown, but these clubs cater to mostly an over 21 audience, as they all play oldies and top 40, pretty much. a man by the name of al anderson wants to open a club there, after his last one was closed down after someone was shot there. he wants to do things differently, to cater to a different crowd than who hip-hop and house draws (at least in allentown). along comes my friend geoff colon (dj geoffE) and applies for the job of dj. he is hired and convinces al to play ALL techno at this club. subsequently, my friend marshal villarosa (dj MARS) is hired as well, and plans have been set into motion. the first few weeks attendance is ok, but sort of bad- the club can hold up to 600 people and there are about 150 attending each friday night. in this valley where we live, there are 6 or 7 colleges in the same area with a combined attendance of some 20,000 students aged 18 or over. our idea was to make this club for THEM- to make it a place where all these people can come together and mingle, because as of now they are oblivious of each other, with little or no interaction taking place. last friday night, attendance was horrible. about 100 people total showed up, with our peak hours being between 11.00 pm and 12.30 am. last night, after my radio show ended at 1 am, me and the man who makes up flyers went over to marshal's and we had a two hour discussion over what to DO. this is what we decided: instead of orienting our club towards a rave atmosphere (selling clothes, etc.) we try and make our club into a CLUB, not a rave. the flyers had been designed with a rave mentality in mind- they were on shitty flimsy paper with usually neon backgrounds and had too much info on them. this is the most important and the subject of this long letter:: TO CATER TO THE MAINSTREAM. we decided that since there are no real ravers around here other than us, we will have to start from scratch and cater to what people know around here (la style, 2 unlimited, dj seduction, utah saints) instead of trying to play hardcore or trance. we decided that we didn't CARE whether we got ravers or not, what we wanted was a place where people could come together and mingle. suggestions? comments?? e va n [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: mw-raves mailing list & upcoming Midwest raves Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:12:36 EST I'm posting this everywhere this time until things get sorted out with the mw-raves list. Andrew Bennett will be running a Midwest-Raves mailing list digest from his personal account at Miami University, Oxford, Ohio. Send subscription requests and mwraves mail to him at: abennett@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu Now what we have to figure out is how to work out the overlap between ne-raves. Laura, can you hook up with Andrew and find out what should be done? What follows is a summary of all the raves I know of coming up in the Midwest. Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." Midwest Rave Action!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- FRI NOV 13 - Magick (Minneapolis MN) 9pm-1am at Cedar Cultural Center, West Bank at Cedar/Riverside DJ's: Acid Bath, Cat In The Hat $6, info: 612.649-4708 FRI NOV 13 - Power Rave (Pittsburgh PA) 11pm-5am at Ardmore Roller Palace, 2400 Ardmore Blvd, East Pittsburgh $8 Advance Tickets -- $10 at the Door Tickets Available at: Turbo Zen Records / 128 Oakland Ave. / 3rd Floor Info: 412.621-7759 Fax: 412.213-3001 Performing live: F.U.S.E. and Cybersonik DJ's: Richie Hawtin (Detroit), Adam X (NY), Heather Heather (NY), Rob Sherwood (Cleveland), DJ Deadly Buda, dieselBoy, Kris Kersey No alcohol & no attitude [editor's note: THIS will be GREAT!!!] SAT NOV 14 - Technopolis (Chicago IL) No details yet SAT NOV 14 - Punch (Nashville TN) Location: warehouse in Nashville, 10pm-6am 1,200 people expected Admission: $12, $10 with invite or out-of-town ID Info: 615.780-3730 FRI NOV 20 - Moby in the House of Euphoria (Cincinnati OH) Live performance by MOBY, semi-live performance by EUPHORIA DJ's: Doc Martin (LA), Richie Hawtin (Detroit), Keoki (NY), Boomer (Toledo), Rob Sherwood (Cleveland), Kevy Kev (Columbus), Daisy (Cincinnati) 6 Watt Laser, 8 RoboScans Scotto provides additional lighting for Moby's set Location info the week of the rave at the following phone numbers: 513.860-6039 (Cincinnati), 614.523-8711 (Columbus), 216.348-4701 (Cleveland), 313.358-9882 (Detroit), 1.800.4RAVE-LINE (New York) [editor's note: This is going to be majorly HUGE!!! Be there!!!] SAT NOV 21 - ??? (Nashville TN) Rumors are flying that Moby will be at a rave in Nashville but I know no details. SAT NOV 21 - Loon-EE-Toons (Toronto Canada) Meeting point: Union Station - free transportation to venue and back Info: 416.760-3232 Live performance by: NRG FRI NOV 27 - Ravin Bran (Cleveland OH) 11pm-6am, location to be announced, possibly at the site of Kool Aid (Prospect Street) or in the Flats. Live performances by Theory Collapse, Orgaz, Body Release DJ's: Rob Sherwood, Mike Filly, DieselBoy, Ian Mariano Infoline: 216.692-3373 The atmosphere at this will be INTENSELY COOL. If the rave spirit is not your thing, you can go to ... FRI NOV 27 - Country n Western "Rave" (Cleveland OH) at the Smart Bar, 1575 Merwin, in the Flats. 216.622-1575 Live performance by Drastik Measure, featuring their hit "The Lone Raver". Also the debut of The Superset. $3 to get in with Country n Western wear before 11:30pm. [editor's note: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!] SAT NOV 28 - Future Perfect (Cleveland OH) Location to be announced. Call 216.391-2345 DJ's: Adam X, Heather Heather, Rob Sherwood, Mike Filly, DJ Smack (Chicago), The InXomniak of Unity (Detroit) SAT NOV 28 - Exodus (Toronto Canada) at 888 Yonge Street, $15 in advance, $20 at door Info: 416.790-8132 Live performances by Shut Up And Dance, Peter Bouncer Also a confirmed surprise opening act SAT DEC 5 - Groove To Moove 2 (Youngstown OH) 10pm-230am at Cedar's, downtown Youngstown. Call for directions 216.743-6560. Cedar's is a little bar in BFE but the first Groove to Moove night was a BLAST so you'd better come out for this one. Live performances by Body Release, Big Engine DJ's: Mike Filly (Cleveland), Nik Popa (Akron) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:28:43 EST From: Charles Hope Subject: Raving in Binghamton NY I went up to Binghamton NY last weekend with the semi-annual NYPIRG conference. NYPIRG is a college based consumer/environmental group. First place we hit was called Bourbon Street. It was $2 to get in, no obnoxious door policy. The floor was sticky, a few tiles were missing, scaring the heck out of me with my bad ankle. They played some techno, mostly disco, and the joint was empty by 2AM. Next we hit the Ritz. This is a movie theatre where, after hours, they'll show a movie, have a DJ in the back spinning, and dancing in front of the screen down below. I requested a techno block and got it. Everyone was asian & dressed like preppies, and I think they looked and me funny and laughed because I was (the only one) wearing a wool sock cap, a glowing neck wire, and a t-shirt. (Excuse me!) But I was too busy spacing out to really notice. Now that I'm back in NYC, I gotta get over to NASA before it closes down! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: choosing the mainstream... Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:38:25 EST > we had a two hour discussion over what to DO. > this is what we decided: > TO CATER TO THE MAINSTREAM. Yep. The true heartache of DJing is that Top-40 wouldn't be Top-40 if lots of people weren't into it. Like it or not, that's what I get asked for the most, and if I want to keep getting the gigs, I have to put a clothes-peg on my nose and play it. But that doesn't mean I have to completely sell out. I can always keep pushing the envlope. There's one large group of people I've DJ'd for on occasion. They're big fans of this DJ for whom "dance music" consists of AC/DC, Guns 'n' Roses and Metallica, mixed with MARRS (complete with line dance), Kriss Kross and Hammer. I don't play any of that, but they still like what I play. How? First, I don't play for that crowd very often. They know it's going to be a bit different with me. Second, there's a nearly in- visible subgroup there who keep going, time after time, hoping that they'll get a Depeche Mode or Front 242 tune. Usually, the regular DJs put clothes-pegs on *their* noses and give in. Third, as e va n ponted out, I can always get away with JBID and the like (I think it's because Hot 97 plays commercial techno in with their regular stuff). So, all I do is change the proportions. They know I wouldn't play Hammer or GnR on a bet. All I really have to do is think back to when I first got into techno. What really grabbed me then? At that time, I would have been bored by Papua New Guinea, but I really liked JBID. So, if I remember that these people also want to hear Their Favorite Song more than they want to hear this week's crop of white labels, I can work from Nine Inch Nails through Headhunter through JBID into a few things more esoteric, then back towards Depeche Mode. That way, I'm a lot more likely to get people coming up to me asking "Wow! What *is* that?" than saying "Turn that shit off *now*!" That's the cold reality of groundswell movements like raving -- we all had to discover it for ourselves. The culture industry couldn't foist its product on us. Instead of grabbing all of it we can, or giving it a two fingered up-your-piping, we laugh at it and co-opt it for our own use. But, as a DJ I have to allow this to continue on its own. If I try too hard to foist raving on an unsuspecting Top-40 public, I'm just playing culture industry myself. This would only cheapen it all down to some sort of supply-side commodity. I'll play all techno (whichever flavor) to the rave crowds that want it. To not play it for those who don't want it anyway is hardly selling out. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:13:51 EST From: Michael Hauben Subject: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? Hello Net.Ravers! :) I was wondering what the Orb's music was classified as. (Besides just "Ambient") I'm seen notices of people recommending the latest ORB UF. Any idea where I look in the record store to find it? "Techno" or "House" or "Ambient House" or "Dance"? Anyways, my other question is "Is Ambient at all similar or related in any way to Progressive/ or Art Rock?" Thanks! -Michael hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:57:12 -0500 From: "Daniel A. Avery" Subject: Re: havoc music comp. t [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: florida hello humanoids. i'm getting dragged to florida this x-mas to visit family down there. i'll be there from like the 24th of dec. to the 28th. not long, but more than a minute down there is my worst nightmare. however, i could make the trip worthwhile if i could find a rave in those 4 days!!! i know it's right during xmas, but maybe someone's throwing something anyway. if anyone's got any clues, fill me in. if anyone on this list is from florida, say hi, maybe we can hang out. thanks. >>taylor-6 [ t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t ] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: It's finally happened >Except; Who's the Alan Freed of the 90's? Is it the people who founded techno >and found the "sound" or what? if someone says Bones, they die. mike POWERAVE 92 ADAM X DEADLY BUDA F.U.S.E. and THIS FRIDAY 13, 1992 HEATHER HEATHER dieselBoy CYBERSONIK TOTAL SONIK HYSTERIA RICHIE HAWTIN KRIS KERSEY info:412.621.7759 featuring massive DJ's: ROB SHERWOOD performing LIVE!: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu DR.SLAMMIN' [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Life hook-up... Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 02:41:13 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU -------- Any sort of plans for a ne-raves group meeting or anything like that? I think it'd be a good idea. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:05:15 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? i just bought the new orb today and i'm listening to it now- very mellow, very good- i think that the song with the dog barking in it is just hilarious.. :) i got it for $12.99- that included the extra cd- cool packaging idea >Any idea where I look in the record store to find >it? "Techno" or "House" or "Ambient House" or "Dance"? > i found it in the "alternative" cd part... e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:08:52 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: raves in israel... just on a side note: i was on irc and talking to someone from israel- he's into the rave scene there (yes, there is one!!) and he was telling me all about it. it seems they have raves in the DESERT there, underneath the stars. from what i told him about the scene here, he said they're much more underground in israel- so people can do whatever they want (i.e., drugs, etc.) without fear of getting busted. if you're on irc, look for liron- he's usually on #drugs.... e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 12 Nov 92 09:01:14 EDT From: Subject: Re: Thunderground > and determine that they'd be willing to drive down to Santa Cruz on a Thursday > > Brian Hey I have a really good friend living in Santa Cruz. He's been there for a while as a matter of fact. He's a weirdo named Tom Hanolen. Wouldn't happen to know him would ya ? I know, since I've move to Cleveland from L.A. people do the same thing to me, asking if I know someone without realizing the size of the city. Since Santa Cruz is pretty small I thought there might be a possibility. Santa Cruz must make for *interesting* raves ! It's the "L" capital of the world. _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 09:04 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Life hook-up... Well, as far as I know a bunch of us are going to The Loft on Friday night. Nothing other than showing up at the LIFE rave Saturday has been planned, but you can bet that at least Camper, Becca, Taylor, Ed, Dave, John, Carolyn, and I will all be there. Look for us -- Camper is pretty distinctive, as he has bright blue hair. John is rather petite, and will probably wear a very baggy black-and-white-striped turtleneck. He has long dark hair that's pulled back into a shoulder length ponytail. Taylor nearly always wears a mustard-yellow hooded sweatshirt. Often the hood is pulled up and he wears sunglasses with a red LED attached to them. Taylor also wears bike gloves, and black and white striped tights. I will be wearing all black ("now is the time on Sprockets in which we rave") with little round black sunglasses, red bicycle gloves, and a black headset walkie-talkie (Taylor has corrupted me into being a little cyber girl. I guess that's what happens when you get too into Toxic Beat Box and Slave to the External!). Dave's distinguishing sartorial feature is his bright orange low-top converse sneakers. Most of us will have on our bright green/bright pink ne-raves badges. Anyone currently wearing an ne-raves badge knows me, and it seems that most people in Boston know either Camper or John (Adams is his last name), so don't be afraid to ask around . . . . Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 09:40:38 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: DEF CON 1 Location? Does anybody know where def con1 is going to take place in DC. I am trying to convince a couple of people who have never been to go but they are a little concerned about where it will be held (you don't want to drive around certain areas of dc at night in a decent car). thanks ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:08:06 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: ?????DefCon 1??????? > Does anyone know where Def Con 1 will be held in D.C.? Rumor has it that Def Con 1 will be held in an old underground fall-out or bomb shelter. I know there is one underneath Le'Fueant Plaza. It is between the streets and the Metro(thats why the escalator to the Metro are so long). If it is there there should be nothing to fear, except lack of ventilation. > There are certain parts of D.C. that you shouldn't go to at night Despite what the media tells us, most of D.C. is perfectly safe to walk arounf at night. Make sure you walk as a group. I go to D.C. alot and never had a problem, except for losing a 1/2 packs worth of cigarettes from people bumming them. See everyone there! I believe it will be the best rave D.C. has seen. Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:34 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: DEF CON 1 Location? >Does anybody know where def con1 is going to take place in DC. I am trying to >convince a couple of people who have never been to go but they are a little >concerned about where it will be held (you don't want to drive around certain >areas of dc at night in a decent car). They usually don't disclose the location until the day of the rave. The Masquerave (the previous rave by the same promoters) was held in a warehouse in Cheverly, MD, just outside of DC. The location wasn't bad, the the drive took you down major roadways. This last one was right by the Pepsi-Cola bottling plant (GOD, WHAT A PLACE THAT WOULD BE TO PARTY). [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:34 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? >Hello Net.Ravers! :) > >I was wondering what the Orb's music was classified as. (Besides >just "Ambient") I'm seen notices of people recommending the >latest ORB UF. Any idea where I look in the record store to find >it? "Techno" or "House" or "Ambient House" or "Dance"? > >Anyways, my other question is "Is Ambient at all similar or >related in any way to Progressive/ or Art Rock?" > > Thanks! > -Michael > hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu I bought both UFOrb and Tresor's Berlin here in Washington (Virginia actually) at Kemp Mill music. Tresor's Berlin was in the Rave section, and UFOrb was in the Rock section. I called the manager there (Fran) and talked with her about it, and after describing the music she put it in the Rave section. I described to her the rave scene in general and the difference between commercial, hardcore, and trance/tribal music. She was very receptive! She moved UFOrb to the Rave section, and was interested in hearing some titles and publishers so she could expand the section. You all might try making friends with your local music store managers and suggesting that they carry more of this music in the future. Sure worked for me. In fact, here in Falls Church VA, which is about 10 miles from DC, this music store carries a better, lower-priced selection of rave music than any of the standard music stores in DC. It never hurts to ask. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | |\/\/\/| | | | | Eric McCormick | | | | | | | (%)(%) 0004775674@mcimail.com | | C _) | | !| ,___| | | | / "Improving life through perfect code." | | /____\ | | / Rave \ | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:34 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: raves in israel... >just on a side note: >i was on irc and talking to someone from israel- he's into the rave scene >there (yes, there is one!!) and he was telling me all about it. it seems they >have raves in the DESERT there, underneath the stars. from what i told him >about the scene here, he said they're much more underground in israel- so >people can do whatever they want (i.e., drugs, etc.) without fear of getting >busted. if you're on irc, look for liron- he's usually on #drugs.... WOW.. can you imagine dancing all night in the warmth and fresh air under the stars? It would be a religious experience. Wonder if we can do this somewhere here. ::deep thought mode:: +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | |\/\/\/| | | | | Eric McCormick | | | | | | | (%)(%) 0004775674@mcimail.com | | C _) | | !| ,___| | | | / "Improving life through perfect code." | | /____\ | | / Rave \ | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:23:24 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: rave in portland this saturday rumor has it that this saturday there will be some kind of rave in portland with dale charles from san diego. if you are interested, and can't make it to LIFE, then call the number at Zootz and they will confirm or deny this rumor. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (wow! that drink was camperific!) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:20:56 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: dale charles at the loft in boston dale charles from san diego, who is suipremely creamily wonderful, will be spinning this friday at the loft in boston. also spinning is some guy named kneeca from LA who spun at my friend's hose last weekend. he is really good. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (wow! that drink was camperific!) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:37:05 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: ?????DefCon 1??????? Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:44:22 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: ?????DefCon 1??????? To: Michael Ray Roberts X-Mailer: LeeMail 1.2.4 > Rumor has it that Def Con 1 will be held in an old underground fall-out or >bomb shelter. I know there is one underneath Le'Fueant Plaza. It is between >the streets and the Metro(thats why the escalator to the Metro are so long). >If it is there there should be nothing to fear, except lack of ventilation. > That would be a nice area. After raving you could hang out at the mall and chill (literally, if its a cold night) enjoying the view of the capital and monument. A side story to add the def con 1/military theme; I heard that there was a lot of undergroud areas (garages, for example) in that area, but that they had been shut down for a while because they were potential terrorist targets. > Despite what the media tells us, most of D.C. is perfectly safe to walk >arounf at night. Make sure you walk as a group. I go to D.C. alot and >never had a problem, except for losing a 1/2 packs worth of cigarettes from >people bumming them. >. > >Mike >TekGuru >proton@wam.umd.edu I agree 100%. I think DC is generally pretty safe. I'm am even thinking about moving into the city. But some of what the media says is true about certain areas in town. I know some doctors who work at GW emergency room and friday and sat nights are unbelievable. I don't say this to scare anyone but, as mike says, make sure you walk as a group. Hope to see everyone there! Peace, ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Bennett Subject: Re: mw-raves mailing list & upcoming Midwest raves On Wed, 11 Nov 1992, Mike J. Brown wrote: > I'm posting this everywhere this time until things get sorted out > with the mw-raves list. Andrew Bennett will be running a Midwest-Raves > mailing list digest from his personal account at Miami University, > Oxford, Ohio. Send subscription requests and mwraves mail to him at: > > abennett@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu Thanks for the plug Mike. But to everyone else, please use this address: ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And NOT: abennett@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu This at least gives me some privacy and all.... Thanks. Andrew --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Bennett (ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu) Oxford, Ohio (abennett@apsvax.aps.muohio.edu) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hot tune: Niko's "Oh Yeah", from the Sonic compilation _Killer Techno_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:52:17 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? > From epr0@ns3.CC.Lehigh.EDU Thu Nov 12 03:26:55 1992 > i just bought the new orb today and i'm listening to it now- very mellow, very > good- i think that the song with the dog barking in it is just hilarious.. :) > i got it for $12.99- that included the extra cd- cool packaging idea $12.99!!! We *are* talking about the new UFOrb domestic release with the the extra Blue Room stuff on it, right? I was in Tower (yeechk!) yesterday only to find that they wanted $26.99 for it. And I wasn't confusing this with the original release. Bastards. Anyone in the Boston area know where I can find it for that savory $12.99 price? dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:54:23 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: florida > From TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Thu Nov 12 00:06:10 1992 > down there. i'll be there from like the 24th of dec. to the 28th. not long, Me too. Anything in the Orlando area between 25th and the 2cnd? Good clubs, events, whatever. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:20:01 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? >> From epr0@ns3.CC.Lehigh.EDU Thu Nov 12 03:26:55 1992 > >> i got it for $12.99- that included the extra cd- cool packaging idea > >$12.99!!! We *are* talking about the new UFOrb domestic release with the >the extra Blue Room stuff on it, right? > YES!! you open the case and then the part with the extra blue room cd is behind the UFOrb cd. and it IS good, although $26.99 is crazy. try and get it for cheaper, man... e va n [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:31:50 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Lee Weaver Subject: Wax Trax Records, anyone? Greetings all, I was wondering if anyone happens to know the status of Wax Trax now? I sent off for the latest catalog over a month ago, and still, I haven't received anything from them. I had heard a rumor (last spring) that they were bankrupt. Please confirm or deny. Thanks for the bandwidth, It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. adam lee weaver It breathes me. It breathes me. It breathes me. - MBM [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:50:30 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: choosing the mainstream... > The true heartache of DJing is that Top-40 wouldn't be Top-40 if > lots of people weren't into it. Like it or not, that's what I get > asked for the most, and if I want to keep getting the gigs, I have > to put a clothes-peg on my nose and play it. > They know I wouldn't play Hammer or GnR on a bet. All I really have > to do is think back to when I first got into techno. What really > grabbed me then? At that time, I would have been bored by Papua New > Guinea, but I really liked JBID. So, if I remember that these people > also want to hear Their Favorite Song more than they want to hear this > week's crop of white labels, I can work from Nine Inch Nails through > Headhunter through JBID into a few things more esoteric, then back > towards Depeche Mode. That way, I'm a lot more likely to get people > coming up to me asking "Wow! What *is* that?" than saying "Turn > that shit off *now*!" Actually, I had an experience that was almost the opposite of yours. I was hired to DJ a Halloween party last month. I was told that the crowd was for the most part age 24 to 28, so I brought lots of Depeche Mode and New Order and the Shamen and stuff like that, and I also brought a very small amount of rave music (3 Twitch issues and two 12" singles), figuring I could sneak in a 3-song rave set. So I was playing "Pump Up the Jam", and it was going over well, and I figured I'd try one rave song. Being in SF, I figured if there was one rave song that people would recognize, it would be "Papua New Guinea", so I mixed into that. It went over very well, but I had this feeling that most people didn't recognize it. I continued playing songs that were considered rave classics in SF -- i.e. the songs that were so huge that they were played at least once or twice a night at every rave in the city while they were popular. For the entire set, the crowd energy was very high. That rave set had the most favorable crowd reaction compared to anything else I played the entire night. (Although one girl, about halfway through the set, asked "Could you play some of the stuff you were playing before? This stuff is giving me a headache.") For the record, the set was, in order: Future Sound of London: "Papua New Guinea" Gat Decor: "Passion" Brothers Love Dubs: "The Mighty Ming" <-- biggest rave song in SF right now Studio X: "Los Kings del Mambo" Zero B: "Lock Up" Sonz of a Loop da Loop Era: "Far Out" Rabbit City: "Digital Domain" 2 Unlimited: "Get Ready for This" Bananarama: "Venus" (acid house mix) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:44:18 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (We teach you how to talk) Subject: Re: florida Taylor, did you try SE-raves? I thought there was a florida list... -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:46:55 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (We teach you how to talk) Subject: Re: Life hook-up... >Carolyn, and I will all be there. Look for us -- Camper is pretty > distinctive, as he has bright blue hair. John is rather petite, >and will probably wear a very baggy black-and-white-striped turtleneck. >He has long dark hair that's pulled back into a shoulder length >ponytail. Taylor nearly I guess i know what I'm wearing this friday.. :) >little round black sunglasses, red bicycle gloves, and a black headset > walkie-talkie (Taylor has corrupted me into being a little cyber >girl. I Did you actually buy the walkie-talkies? Gimmie one :) -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:51:13 -0500 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: Re: Wax Trax Records, anyone? Wax Trax! defunct? I sure hope not. Come to think of it, I doubt it, as a friend of mine who's music director at the local alternative station has received promos from them as recently as 6 weeks ago. I have also had no trouble getting Wax Trax! releases via distributors and stores ... A month isn't so very long for a mail-order catalog request . . remember "Please Allow 6-8 Weeks for Delivery?" --Russell Potter [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:51:59 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (We teach you how to talk) Subject: A whopping 170? We've reached 170 subscribers.. you realize if we were going for the creation of a new usenet group we'd of had it by now. :) 0004775674@mcimail.com 8SCHUTTING_R@spcvxa.spc.edu 95mhn@cc.williams.edu A54SI%CUNYVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu aboulanger@bbn.com ace@interlaken.esd.sgi.com ai0e@andrew.cmu.edu ajax@jetform.com akasha@athena.mit.edu alfarris@mailbox.syr.edu allon@intercon.com alw@brahms.udel.edu ava@ddsdx2.jhuapl.edu averyd@wam.umd.edu bb2j+@andrew.cmu.edu bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu betsys@ra.cs.umb.edu blynch@wpi.wpi.edu bmyers@well.sf.ca.us camper@buphy.bu.edu ccat@netcom.com ccb@umd5.umd.edu cermak@stolaf.edu chris136@aol.com Christopher.J.Chapman@williams.edu ciamac@hydepark.media.mit.edu CL2628A@american.edu conway@cipr-server.mgh.harvard.edu cshin@feds47.Prime.com css37245@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu cutter cvscarpa@rodan.acs.syr.edu cxylee@microsoft.com cyberpun@wam.umd.edu daikit@casbah.acns.nwu.edu damir@wpi.wpi.edu dammira1@cc.swarthmore.edu darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU david_mann@ncsu.edu deb9@po.cwru.edu denise@bambam.wellesley.edu detlev@athena.mit.edu DJD0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu djm@progress.com donsterw@athena.mit.edu dormitzer@danger.enet.dec.com DZ5401A@american.edu ebh@mink.att.com efreeman@ra.cs.yale.edu epr0@Lehigh.edu ericp@beach.csulb.edu erik@avalon.harvard.edu fort@husc.harvard.edu fran@chopin.udel.edu frans@wpi.wpi.edu galloway@buphy.bu.edu gcroteau@eagle.wesleyan.edu giamma@mahe.oas.olivetti.com gjp@virtech.vti.com henders@eos.ncsu.edu hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu hwyman@wam.umd.edu IBY247%URIACC.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu jeff@spdcc.com jm8k+@andrew.cmu.edu jna joemac@eff.org joe@synopsys.com John.Deere@bbs.oit.unc.edu johnf@unix.cis.pitt.edu johnsojd@stolaf.edu jonesli@acfcluster.nyu.edu js3b+@andrew.cmu.edu jshiple@media-lab.mit.edu kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU kapst9@unix.cis.pitt.edu kdeyoe+@cmu.edu keene@titan.ucc.umass.edu Kelly.Byrne@mixcom.com KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU laura@usl.com lcm5e@uva.pcmail.Virginia.Edu LIB2%UNB.CA@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca libby@bedford.progress.com MAB195@psuvm.psu.edu manda@gnu.ai.mit.edu map@cs.brown.edu markch@athena.mit.edu mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu mc4o@andrew.cmu.edu md3b@andrew.cmu.edu mfh3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu mhv0@Lehigh.edu mike@unity.ncsu.edu mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu mmk3@po.cwru.edu MOORE@vax.wi.edu mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu msl9@po.CWRU.edu mw@sybase.com mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu ndc@engin.umich.edu ne-raves-local@asylum.sf.ca.us ne-raves.ulmo@Spies.COM nessus@mit.edu nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu NORM@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU olver@buphy.bu.edu pashdown@slack.sim.es.com paulh@coos.dartmouth.edu penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu peterco@eff.org peters@convex.com phred@well.sf.ca.us phrh@ccrma.Stanford.EDU proton@wam.umd.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu psd1@midway.uchicago.edu puc@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov Q8AH%UNB.CA@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca rapotter@COLBY.EDU RDM%unb.ca@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca rehmi@silver.lcs.mit.edu revar@aol.com robcamp@well.sf.ca.us rob@msc.cornell.edu rpatel@acc.haverford.edu rs5308a@american.edu rwr9481@ultb.isc.rit.edu RY462C@gwuvm.gwu.edu salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu sg2s@andrew.cmu.edu SGC1@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu sg@monsoon.com shk@genrad.com sk2479a@auvm.american.edu sl319001@silver.ucs.indiana.edu sprother@isis.cs.du.edu std3@music.cc.uga.edu sxl136@psuvm.psu.edu tchan@lucy.wellesley.edu tedwards@wam.umd.edu tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu tma@po.cwru.edu TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU tpchiang@mtl.mit.edu tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu tvanes@eagle.wesleyan.edu /usr/guests/jna/Ne-Raves.arch uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu vince.light@east.sun.com wakesm@sage.cc.purdue.edu wdwitte@cs.vu.nl wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu wpoe@usc.edu zae@wam.umd.edu ng37@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu sscoen@athena.mit.edu abbe@media-lab.mit.edu trammell@engin.umich.edu sjlst5@unixd.cis.pitt.edu damian@cislabs.pitt.edu englis@rpi.edu ebstokes@crd.ge.com R.Bradley.Byrd@Dartmouth.EDU S72UDON@TOE.TOWSON.EDU koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:47 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? >$12.99!!! We *are* talking about the new UFOrb domestic release with the >the extra Blue Room stuff on it, right? > >I was in Tower (yeechk!) yesterday only to find that they wanted $26.99 for it. > >And I wasn't confusing this with the original release. I also paid $12.99 at Kemp Mill here in DC. Two CDs (Extra Blue Room). _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:02:33 -0500 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: *Assemblage* 1.1 (1 of 3) ________________________________________________________ /\ . . . . . . . . . /__\ s s e m b l a g e techno \/ music V 1.1 / \S S E M B L A G E rave /\ culture NOV 92 issue editor russell potter rapotter@colby.edu ________________________________________________________ _Assemblage_ is a deliberately ephemeral, occasional, mobile journal that will publish reviews of techno/rave music, raves, dances, along with articles on the social implications of this music (if any). Freelance reviews, signed or unsigned, are welcome. Editorial Staff: Robert Campanell robcamp@well.sf.ca.us (cyberpunk) Michael Pisano mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu(theoretical articles) Russell Potter rapotter@colby.edu (reviews, theory) Bob Crispen crispen@foxy.boeing.com (record reviews) Frederick Wolf Frederick.Wolf@um.cc.umich.edu (Detroit scene, reviews) Robert Hooker hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (the theoretical side) Arthur Chandler arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (reviews, thought pieces) Laura La Gassa laura@usl.com ("The Flux Tube" (NE Rave Scene)) Andy ndc@engin.umich.edu (reviews, scene stuff) Johan Dowdy jwdowdy@colby.edu (reviews) taylor808 TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (tech,cyberpunk stuff) Joe Turner cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu ("Kickin' Phase" (Tech Tips)) =========================================================== I S S U E 1 C O N T E N T S =========================================================== Columns [Assemblage part 1] : Kickin' Phase: "Techno: The 12-Point Program" -- Errata Stigmata The Flux Tube -- The East Coast Rave Scene as Seen by Laura La Gassa Articles [Assemblage Part 2]: Russell Potter, "DANCE: Music, Body, and the Reign of the Senses" Robert Hooker, "Reflections on the Rave Generation" Arthur Chandler, "Have We Been Here Before? -- Hippies & Ravers, 60s & 70s" Music Reviews [Assemblage Part 3]: The Techno Sound of Berlin, Swamp, Radition, Acid Drill, Lords of Acid, Underground Resistance, World Power Alliance, Sysex, C.Y.B.E.R.F.U.N.K., Circuit Breaker [reviewed by Andrew Crosby and Russell Potter] Rave Reviews Halloween Rave, Greensboro NC -- Reviewed by henders@eos.ncsu.edu ======================================================================== *Assemblage* 1.1. Copyright (c) 1992 by *Assemblage* for the contributors (unless otherwise noted); this text may be freely shared among individuals, but may not be reprinted without prior permission from the author(s). ======================================================================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ K I C K I N' P H A S E ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ b y E r r a t a S t i g m a t a TECHNO: The 12-POINT PROGRAM ---------------------------- TECHNO - the sound of ten million whining chainsaws melted into a disco record with a bad attitude on speed. Must be easy to make one o' them there thangs, eh? Hrmph! About as easy, as they say, as root canal -- but fun nonetheless, and you CAN do it if you want to. Techno, while ultimately very diverse, is actually a very rigidly defined style. Your first Techno song, if you're not a latent genius, will probably sound pretty derivative; don't fret, and don't give up if you suddenly realise your creation uses the same changes as the latest Twin EQ disc. Just as a lot of rock sounds interchangeable (on the surface) because it's just two guitars, bass, and drums, a lot of Techno ends up sounding similar because of the ingredients needed to make it. "Writing" a Techno song doesn't follow any of the same patterns as writing a pop song. Techno, with very few exceptions, is based on the jam-in-the-studio method of writing: you get in front of the drum machine and keyboard, and you just go nuts. Whatever works, you keep, and then change/modify until you like it (or you hate it and throw it away). If you don't like something, save it anyway; having old ideas around often lets them "compost" in your head, and they may come out later in a different and better form. The process of writing a Techno song is very linear, if you're having a really good day and the muses are with you. A basic drum pattern is created, then a simple bass line is added over it, and then a main chord or sound to fill it out gets laid over the top. Frills can then be added on, such as samples and effects. The samples can come earlier in the process, if the sample is integral to the song. The kick drum is almost always the first thing to be written. Techno uses a beat called "four on the floor" almost exclusively. What that means in english is that for each measure of a song, there are four kick-drum beats. You know, THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP. You can experiment with this, and play around with syncopating it a little. Variety is the spice of life -- but if Fred the Raver can't dance to it, it won't do well. Be inventive but know when to stop. The choice of kick drum is also important; make sure you use a sound that has a good fast attack and isn't flabby or hollow. Most drum sound sources, depending on whatever you're using as a drum unit (you can use a sampler with drum sounds loaded, or a drum machine), will have a variety of sounds to choose from. The Alesis SR-16, for example, has about 25 kick drum sounds. Once you have the kick pattern set, start experimenting with hi-hat patterns and snare drum fills. Use the snare very sparingly, if at all. Keep it low in the drum mix (most drum machines will let you control the volume of each drum individually), and avoid heavy, rock-like drum sounds (unless you are going for a particular one-time effect). Keep the drum line percolating but simple -- the urge to make a very complex drum line is strong, I know, but less is truly more. If you are going for a stereotypical hardcore Techno sound, you will probably want to put that grindy REEET-REEET sound in that everyone and their mother uses (if you're not sure what noise I mean, and through the printed medium I'm sure some people won't, just grab your ancient copy of "James Brown is Dead" and fixate on the annoying buzzy grinding sounds). Take your sampler and the nearest heavy metal record you can find, and sample a bit of pure guitar noise. Just a half-second will do, just enough to loop. (You should read your sampler's manual if the term "sample and loop" confuses you; basically it means "take the sampled sound and have it play over and over and over if you hold a key down". The shorter the sample, the more unearthly the loop usually is.) Pitch-bend that sucker to hell. If you're going for something a bit more housey or trancey, any good analog or digital synth will do. Moogs are nice; Juno 60's are better; Jupiters are worth killing someone for. Go nuts with bloopy and blorpy arpeggiated sounds. If you're lucky, your unit can control how fast it arpeggiates by looking at how fast your sequencer is going (by looking at MIDI information), and you'll have some snappy- sounding acid basslines. If you have listened carefully to *any* Techno, you may have noticed that not only are chords optional, they're usually nonexistant. This doesn't mean you have to make something totally atonal; however, don't concentrate on figuring out how to get from the Lydian mode in the break back to Dorian mode in the main section. The ravers won't care, and so shouldn't you. Most Techno does not vary from one or two chords over the course of a song, so don't sweat it. Vocal samples are fun, but optional. They can either add to the recognisability of a song ("I'm the One and Only Dominator!", "Shut the fuck up, bitch, you can't sing!") but they can also get incredibly annoying if used too much ("...Dominator" and various Public Enemy samples being prime offenders in past years. Hey, anyone remember "this is a journey into sound..."?) A whole book could be written about attempting to match the rhythm of your sample with the rhythm of your song, but in general, don't worry about speeding the sample up if you have to, or slowing it down. Most DJs will adjust the speed of their turntable, anyway. Your song should groove, but it should also change and build. Don't be afraid to put breaks in. "Break" can either literally be a silence of so-many beats, or it can be short for "breakdown", where you strip the song down in an interesting way -- take the kick out, let the piano glide byt itself for 4 bars, or whatever. DJ's like breaks, especially in intuitive places (try to keep things in even numbers of bars) and when they can hear it building. The chances that your record will be played by itself in its entirety is pretty slim, so make it interesting; don't just let it sit there and grind away for four minutes. Now that you understand the basics of the process, you must meet two major requirements if you have ANY pretentions about making Techno: nearly infinite patience, and nearly infinite money. Money first. Forget all the hype about LFO plopping a Casiotone down on tape and having instant success with it; the equipment needed to do all the stuff I just described ain't cheap. If you plan on doing a housey-trancey song (much easier than a hardcore samplefest), you will need: o A sequencer ($200/$400 used/new) -OR- o A home computer such as a Macintosh, IBM-PC, Amiga, or Atari ST ($700/$1500 used/new) plus good sequencing software ($200). o A drum machine ($200/$400 used/new). o A synthesiser ($300/$1500 used/new). Most newer digital synths are MIDI-fitted; some older analog synths are, also. Some VERY old synths may need a MIDI "retro-fit", which can be VERY expensive. o A multichannel mixer ($25-$150/$50-$500 used/new). Four channel at least, six channel is nice. Radio Shack sells a good six-channel mixer; don't beleive anyone who tells you that you need twelve channels. o An open-reel audio tape recorder ($500/$1000 used/new) for sending your gem to the mastering plant. o Buttloads of audio and MIDI cables ($50-$200). This is the hidden cost that everyone forgets about. If you don't want to wear headphones, and your neighbors are 80 and deaf, you can also get: o A PA power amp ($200-$500/$500-$1000 used/new), at least 100 watts a channel. o Two PA speakers which you should call "cabinets" or else you'll look like a total neo ($200/$500 per pair used/new). Make sure they have good bass, and that they'll match the amp you buy. If you DO want a samplefest, then you can also count on buying: o A sampler! ($400/$1000 used/new) Make sure it has enough memory to choke an elephant. Most samplers will have enough to sample about 15 seconds in mono. o Lots of disks ($50) -OR- o A hard disk drive ($200/$400 used/new) to save samples on. Some home computers have "sample library" software and can store samples on disk, and modify them. If you just won the lottery and have money to burn, don't forget your: o Multitrack recorder ($250-$7,000/$500-$20,000 used/new). Four-tracks are useful, but eight-tracks are better for doing some really inventive tricks. o SMPTE time-code reader/writer (if you have to ask, you can't afford it, used OR new). Hook this up to your sequencer and record many tracks of synced-up music. Useful only if your synth is limited or if you want to do VERY layered stuff. You may pick your jaw up from the floor now -- but put it back down because even for bare-bones stuff, getting even 1000 records pressed requires $200 for mastering and EQ, plus five cents per sleeve, plus about $700 for the actual vinyl. IT'S NOT CHEAP. Unless you traffic in stolen goods, or unless you have lots of generous friends with equipment to loan, you will end up blowing close to $2000 on a basic set-up. This is by no means a complete guide; rules were made to be broken and Techno definately breaks a LOT of rules. Read the manuals then throw them away and play intuitively. Listen to a lot of Techno and then put a Patsy Cline album on before you go into the studio. Be calm but take risks. Play things for your friends, and send demos to anyone and everyone. Go to raves and really talk to DJs about what they like to play. Listen carefully to your friends jizz over what they've bought and what they like. Remember: it will sometimes take 20 bad songs before you write that first good one. ...and fer gosh sakes, keep a sense of humor about it all. Ain't nothing less fun than a pompous musician! ======================================================================== The Flux Tube A Column Depicting the East Coast Rave Scene as Seen by Laura La Gassa ======================================================================== This issue's topic: A Raver's Map of the North East Raving on the East Coast often involves a lot of driving, and the core of dedicated ravers will travel anywhere from one to eight hours for an event. This results in a lot of good friendly parties since a portion of the people will have made a special effort to be there, and because the same faces keep popping up, lending a small neighborhood feel to a large geographic area. Interstate 95 links the major cities on the East Coast, and as such links the major rave centers. Let's take a drive . . . MAINE: Way up north in Portland, K.C. and the Sunrise Gang throw raves about every two months. These are generally small (compared to the huge New York and Washington raves) and breakbeat oriented. I have never attended any of these raves, but a reputable raver reports that the last party, CRUSADE held on October 10, was excellent. MASSACHUSSETS: The Boston rave scene as such is pretty much non-existent. A large number of enthusiastic ravers live in and around Boston, but they have been able to have very few rave parties within the metro-Boston area. There are decent clubs with good techno nights (Venus and Axis), but everything must close down at 2.00 am so it's difficult to get an all-night vibe going unless it is at a private party held in someone's apartment. Occaisionally after-hours parties are thrown at underground locations, but these are prone to being busted. I attended a good after hours party Labor Day weekend, thrown by self-proclaimed Boston scene leader Debo and DJ'd by Debo and Long Island's trance god Onionz, but it was closed down at 7.00 am because of noise. The exception to all this is a legal Fridays-only after hours club called The Loft, which runs from midnight until about 6.00 am. The Loft is a beautiful space, and a welcome addition to the now-overrun-by-overly-drinking-college-student Axis, but it lacks the atmosphere and energy of a non-club rave. Debo planned to throw a warehouse rave in Boston proper, but moved the location 45 minutes west to Worcester after someone else tried a non-rave-related party there and got busted at 2.00 am. Worcester has had two other sucessful raves, both called BOLD. I worked the door at the second one, held October 17. Over 160 ravers turned up from Hartford, Providence, and Boston, as well as from the immediate area. The DJ list at BOLD II was spectacular if you are trance-oriented: Dave Trance, James Christian, and Dante. Other DJ's spun breakbeat and acid as well. RHODE ISLAND: Providence, aside from being Rhode Island's rave capitol, is the defacto center for the Boston rave scene. It is supposed to be easier legally to throw raves in Providence than in Boston, and three seperate organizations ensure that there is at least one party in the city every month. Word of mouth tells me that the best raves are the QUEST raves. I was at their first rave and thought it was wonderful. They had an excellent location near a 24-hour donut shop, and allowed re-entry so hungry ravers could fuel up. The music was a mixture of styles, from the hardcore of Adam X and Jimmy Crash to the breakbeat of Mayhem to the trance of James Christian. The ORACLE organisation held their first rave October 9. I did not attend, but heard that there were underage kids blatantly drinking beer outside the front door and that the rave was busted around 3.00 am. The organizer of the ORACLE rave was arrested and taken away in handcuffs for selling food without a license. The third organisation, MICHELANGELO, has also had two raves. Word of mouth says that their first one was really bad, but their second was an improvement. CONNECTICUT: I am under the impresson that Connecticut ravers travel a lot, because I know there are lots of people in Connecticut that rave but I never hear of any raves out there. I could be wrong . . . they could just be very underground. I never claimed to be *that* well connected with the rave scene . . . . NEW YORK: New York seems to always have to do everything the biggest and the best on the East Coast, and raving is no exception. It was announced that the last Storm Rave in New York City drew over 5000 people, but one of the promoters told me that there were only about 1670 paid admissions. This discrepancy seems very odd, because I was at the rave in question and it looked to me that four to five thousand seemed like an accurate count. Offshoots of the Storm Rave Organization frequently throw raves of their own, so there is ALWAYS something going on in the metro-New York area. Since I adore deep deep trance techno, Sattellite Production's raves are a welcome addition to the Storm Raves. This group is based upstate in Poughkepsie, and have had two good parties so far: SPUTNIK and SPUTNIK II. At SPUTNIK there were two dance areas, one featuring mostly hardcore and the other with trance/breakbeat/house. SPUTNIK II featured a wide range of DJ's, opening the night with housey happy breakbeat, moving into hardcore, and finishing off with two of the most amazing trance sets I have ever heard: DJs Rob Sherwood and Onionz should be cannonized. All the Sattelite raves are held in roller skating / skate board parks, which is a neat twist from spending the night in a place with no real bathrooms (okay, so I'm a wimp). Their next rave will be December 5th, and is called EXPLORER I. NEW JERSEY: The New Jersey scene is incredibly underground, so underground that members of the raving community there don't even admit they are part of it. I will respect them and not name names and places here until they get things off the ground and go a bit more public. They've had a run of bad luck lately: every rave they've thrown since August has gotten closed down, and in September their sound equipment was seized. PENNSYLVANIA: Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are the rave centers. The two main groups in Philadelphia are the Vagabonds, who host parties in various clubs on various nights around town, and Dead by Dawn, who have held at least two raves in the city. Dead by Dawn's last two raves have had police run-ins. At the first a raver was stabbed (by someone not connected with the rave or raving) outside the rave location, and the second (at a different location) was closed down around 1.45 am. They will try again. I'm not too sure exactly what's going on in Pittsburgh, except that a group of people who I know out there are throwing a nice big rave November 13th. Pittsburgh ravers travel a lot also, frequently going down to Washington and New York. DELAWARE: The Delaware ravers I know usually travel to Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Washington. If anything else is happening, I haven't heard about it . . . yet. MARYLAND: It seems to be easier to stay open late around Baltimore, so several clubs have late night parties with techno music. Also, a number of the raves advertised in DC are actually in Maryland. WASHINGTON, DC: The Catastrophic organization puts on the most and the largest raves in Washington. They get amazing lighting effects, including argon lasers, and draw all the top DJs. I've never raved down in Washington either, but I heard that the last two Catastrophic raves were excellent as far as huge raves go. In warmer weather a number of smaller, simpler, outdoor raves happen under bridges and in parking garages. [END *ASSEMBLAGE* PART 1] ________________________________________________________ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:02:22 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? > From 0004775674@mcimail.com Thu Nov 12 15:54:24 1992 > >$12.99!!! We *are* talking about the new UFOrb domestic release with the > >the extra Blue Room stuff on it, right? > > > >I was in Tower (yeechk!) yesterday only to find that they wanted $26.99 for it. > > > >And I wasn't confusing this with the original release. > > I also paid $12.99 at Kemp Mill here in DC. Two CDs (Extra Blue Room). So what's up with TOwer... anyway? Are they raping consumers nationwide or just in Boston. (not that I ever had any respect for that store anyway. I'll probably just go find it at Newbury COmics, if they ever get it. *sigh*) dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:19:02 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: florida is there an se-raves? what is the address? mike On Thu, 12 Nov 1992, We teach you how to talk wrote: > > Taylor, did you try SE-raves? > > I thought there was a florida list... > > -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: Re: choosing the mainstream... Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 13:21:28 PST I don't know...there's always a fine line between playing what you want and what the crowd wants...a friend of mine who's a hip-hop DJ says that he'll choose selling out every time in order to get a crowd going...he mentioned "Me So Horny" as an example. But I don't know if I agree...This Halloween I DJ'd my first party with my brand new system; it was at a friend's place, and there were maybe fifty people there. I only had about 25 records, and none of them were _that_ mainstream; "Temple of Dreams" was probably the closest thing--I didn't have LA Style or Erasure or anything. The people at the party were all cinema majors--mostly into stuff like U2 if the truth were known. Not very many that familiar with techno or raves. I kind of expected to be the party's novelty-- (yeah, there was a jar full of snails, and Jim DJ'd, too!) I started out with breakbeat--"Get Funky", 2 Bad Mice, etc., and I was shocked when a lot of people started dancing. I played for 2 hours and the energy only got higher...with no selling out; I was just playing _my_ favorite records. I played "Flaphead" by Aphex Twin, and then I went into Ravesignal III pitched way up, and they liked it _better_ than the happy breakbeat stuff. I mean, it was probably because they were all drunk and it was Halloween--they were in a freaky-deaky mood, but it still really surprised me. I only got asked for "O Fortuna" once, and I didn't have it! :) Toward the end, I mellowed out and was playing "Stella" and "Papua New Guinea", etc. When the beat dropped out of the Andrew Weatherall mix of "Papua", this fratboy walked up to me with wide eyes and said, "C'mon, man, where the hell is the beat!!??" It made me feel good...I felt like I could do this for a living.... Anyway, I think it's probably better to stick with stuff you like...when (if) a crowd get into it, the vibe will be real. I don't want to play records I don't like..."LIVE WITHOUT DEAD TIME." Jim :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:42:34 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: DEF CON 1 Location? >Does anybody know where def con1 is going to take place in DC. I am trying to >convince a couple of people who have never been to go but they are a little >concerned about where it will be held (you don't want to drive around certain >areas of dc at night in a decent car). I got tix from MusicNow today...they claim they will let people know the location after 6:00PM A few interesting notes: I pinged Mr. Klean of Catastrophic down at MusicNow today about Milwaukee, and he mentioned that the D.C. scene is probably going to become much more careful about avoiding alcohol going into raves, and the days of the huge nitrous tank is numbered as well. (Oh yeah, that 6:00 PM is 6:00 PM tonight...thursday, course, I can't tell you how many times MusicNow has gotten tickets late, at least they had the tickets on time today, but no directions...) And the tickets to DefCon1 are much more unforgeable than the Catastrophic Masquerave tickets, which apparently someone made huge quantities of copies of, and was undercutting the ticket price right outside of where they were being sold. The DefCon tix are also numbered (I got #152-#154, so I 'spose not too many sold yet). -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:04:44 -0500 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: *Assemblage* 1.1 (3 of 3) * A S S E M B L A G E * [ p a r t 3 ] ============================================ 1. R E C O R D R E V I E W S ============================================ AC = Andrew C Crosby RP = Russell A. Potter ============================================ Title: Berlin 1992: The Techno Sound of Berlin Arists: Various Label: Tresor/Novamute (dist. Tommy Boy) When I saw this record in a store, it struck me that it was the first record I had seen in a long time that had the word "Berlin" with no "West" before it. And, for those who have been wondering what's been happening musically in post-Wall, post-West Berlin, I can't think of ant better answer than this record. It was, after all, in West Germany in the late 60's and early 70's that the idea of original electronic popular music was born at the hands of kids like Edgar Froese, Klaus Schulze, and Roedelius, and it was there too that Kraftwerk first found an audience. The DJ's on this compilation were probably still in diapers in 1973 when Schulze's _Cyborg_ redefined electronic music, but they've learned a lot from him, and from other German electronic musicians. Unlike Belgian techno, which to my ears often sounds like the excited noises a five-year old who had come accross a digital keypad by accident would make, these Berlin DJ's make sophisticated electronic music with a full range of beats, pulses, samples, and waveforms -- not to mention machines. These guys are playing with a full deck, and it makes a difference. The cuts on this compilation are incredibly diverse; though they tend towards the moderate-to-trancey range of BPM's, there are harder and faster beats as well. What sets many of these cuts aside is their dense blend of melodic accents; for instance Cosmic Baby's "Cosmic Cubes," which takes a fairly standard beat and enriches with just the right amount of Schulze-like melodic arpeggios and accents, often running a sleek treble over a pulsing bass loop. For those who like a harder sound with phased cymbals a la Front 242, Vein Melter's "Hypnotized" offers that and more, giving a trancey feel over a relentless 138 BPM. Along the same lines, Futurhythm's "Phuture 2" works similar magic over a clashy industrial beat reminiscent of KMFDM. If house techno is more your style, Microglobe's "High On Hope" hooks you with housey piano and soul vocal samples, only to bust your mind open with incursions of high energy, culminating in a tour-de-force sequence of 120 BPM madness that changes its feel every thirty seconds or so. The gems of this collection, though, are the two long trancey mixes at the end, 3 Phase's "Open Your Mind" and Mindgear's "Don't Panic," which together clock in at just about eighteen minutes. Both feature long sequences of trance beats with weird little loopings of samples that keep you moving _and_ keep you guessing (shouldn't be rare, but is). All this says a lot for Tresor, which is both a club (located near the site of the Wall itself, in the basement of a what was (before the war) a department store) and a record label. This is (so far as I know) one of the first Tresor/Novamute records to be licensed domestically via Tommy Boy, and I hope there will be many more; a comp such as this would be worth $20, but it's great to be able to pick it up for $12.99 As taylor808 said earlier on the ne-raves list, "it's total trancey, acid, blipcore. I can't get enough of it . . . spacey, blippy perfektion." [RP] Title: Swamp Artist: Influid-1 Label: Discomania (?) This track is really old, I suspect, having heard that it was on some MTV-Europe sampler or something. I like it though; the a-side is a pretty cool acid stomp, typical bubbly analogs with a KILLER intro sound... kind of a buzz that modulates on each beat. The first mix has the most variety; it changes style several times during the song. On the b: The track prohibition is really boring, a kind of funny sample of some guy saying 'women having sex with animals' but very predictable. The second mix of swamp is much more sparse than the first, fast and furious with that droning buzz all the way through . . . nice. Both versions feature samples from Flash Gordon ("Lower them into the swamp"), but not overused, very subtle. Cool. [AC] Title: Meltdown Artist: Radition Label: Radikal Records This came out over the end of the summer, sort of a trancey hardcore. Cool sounds mixed up with a fast beat; the crash mix is long and ok, though I like the intro on the other mix better; it starts out really slow and works into a frenzy. The other track, 'Help Me,' is ok too, but nothing spectacular; it sounds cool when you mix it with other stuff. [AC] Title: Acid Drill (remixes) Artist: Edwards & Armani Label: Music Man (?) Three mixes here, all of them pretty cool. It's hard acid stuff, original and nice and fast, featuring a guy yelling 'left right left right left right left,' which sounds sorta military, but remains feisty and hard. The sounds on this aren't your typical analog bubble, way cool. [AC] Artist: Lords of Acid Title: I Must Increase My Bust (remixes) Label: Caroline The Lords are at it again, and this maxi-single, clocking in at over 44 bust-expanding minutes, is definitely worth it. There is _some_ filler (a "Noise Mix" and "Distortion Mix" that basically sound like some other person playing around with LOA effects), and two nearly indistinguishable dub mixes ("DD Vocal Dub" and "The Lords Like 'em Large Mix"). But the real star of this disk is the "'Rock-n-Rave' mix", which extends the cut to over seven minutes of coolly acidic sounds, switching from one breakbeat to another and boldly going into sonic universes where the Lords had not gone before (this remix is credited to Mark Picchiotti and Terri Bristol). The LOA were always in danger of being a sort of one-noise act, but this cut shows what can be done with their underlying beat and a slim core of guitar. The other outstanding mix is the Plus-8/Richie Hawtin "Detroit Hardcore Mix," which again completely revamps the sound, peeling back the relentless LOA fuzz and substituting an old-school, spacey techno sound reminiscent of early Detroit scene acts like Cybotron. All in all, a pretty good disk, though some chains seem to be regarding this as a virtual EP and are charging as much as $9.99 for it. Let's hope that LOA keep experimenting in this vein, or that if they don't, that they'll let others keep on making remixes like these. Maybe LOA should make like Psychic TV and just let rave DJ's remix everything on their albums (as with PTV's _Beyond Thee Infinite Beat_)... we'll just have to wait and see. [RP] Title: World 2 World Artist: Underground Resistance Label: Underground Resistance Wow!! The acid jazz sound from Nation 2 Nation returns; this is a way cool ep. It opens with "Amazon, " a slightly tribalish number that has a cool chord progression and builds with a beat that comes and goes twice. Other tracks are "Cosmic Traveller," a nice housey space jam with a cool chime sample. "Jupiter Jazz" features a funky analog bassline with little wispy solos done with a sound I can't really describe, a high-pitched tone that twists yer head around. The last track has a kind of acidic feel to it, very trancey, with cool samples of a female vocal and analog blips coming and going. The whole ep has a very organic, earthy feel to it, samples of water and stuff I think help. Excellent. [AC] Title: Seawolf, Kamikaze, Belgian Resistance Artist: World Power Alliance Label: Underground Resistance Basically another subproject of the UR people, these tracks were all released as single 12"s with one song on one side, and a little manifesto pressed into the other side, talking about techno unity and stuff like that. Seawolf: WAY AWESOME ACID BLEEPER: driving hard beat, with little submarine-like blips fading in and out and then ambient whirrs and grinds forcing their way through. Kamikaze: has samples from a WWII documentary -- ok, but not great. The sound of the airplane crashdiving is cool, but the track doesn't have enough substance or anything profoundly new. Belgian Resistance: I like this, a warm bassline with a heavy beat and feel, with little scrape/whirr sounds coming in and out, very acidic. Pretty good overall. My main complaint is that these three tracks were all released separately. This would have made an awesome EP, but instead makes a cool single and two merely ok singles. At $5 a pop (and a lot more for those in other countries), it just isn't worth it to only get one song each, in my opinion.The back plate pressed with the message on the vinyl is cute, but useless. I read it once and don't care anymore; I can't play it, so what's the point? [AC] Title: Sysex EP Label: Plus 8 This ep (on green vinyl) opens with "Intro,'" a long analog improv that is pretty cool but not that listenable (or useful from a dj perspective). World Domination is great; it builds from intro into a throbbing hardcore acid track, with grindy analog ringing bouncing all over the place. "Intruder" is my favorite track, with a fast hard analog beat and a cool melody made from a 'bomp' kind of sound, hard and cool. The b features three more tracks: an ambient bleepy thing with no beat, and two others that are ok. Didn't grab me, but then i haven't listened to it enough for them to really grow on me, as plus 8 stuff often does. Mind buggin 909 just seemed a little empty; anyone could program a 909 to do this, what's the point of it? Overall, if you like the really hard plus 8 stuff then this is quite a buy; otherwise, it may be a bit too sparse and distorted. [AC] Title: Life at the Wunderbar Artist: C.Y.B.E.R.F.U.N.K. Label: Radikal Records Despite their name, C.Y.B.E.R.F.U.N.K. is not very funky. Like many other Belgian techno acts on Radikal, they use a lot of that "BLEEEP BLEEP" sound. Both the beats and samples are relatively unimaginative; particularly annoying is the relentless "police whistle" sound. "Part 2" is virtually identical with "Part 1," except for a whispering voice that intones "no revolution" (there's certainly nothing revolutionary in _this_ mix!). The CD contains no other tracks or remixes, making this disk a real waste of money no matter how you cut it. Radikal seems to have a very good distribution network in the U.S.; too bad they don't have much good music to distribute (how many times can you hear "O Fortuna" before you get sick of it?) [RP] Title: Circuit Breaker EP Label: Probe Take a drum machine and pipe it through an array of distortion filters. WHAMMO this is really cool. My significant other gave it a thumbs down at first, as she felt that it sounded like it was recorded improperly or something, with a fuzzy, muted feel. it may be a learned taste, so I can't totally recommend this to everyone -- but it sounds great to those who like incredibly hard stuff, and it is very new and unusual sounding. The entire ep is made of three tracks, each made from rhythms that are distorted to the core. [AC] ====================================================================== 2. R A V E R E V I E W S ====================================================================== Halloween Review : This past Saturday, there was a wonderfully crowded MasquaRave for Halloween at a warehouse in Greensboro, NC. The site was within view of the downtown scape on a misty night, and along the downtown's central road, Market. We brought some jackolanterns, and left them by the side entrance as a crowd toy. Inside was a large well-lit foyer. Beyond, in the gloom, one passed the entrance to a huge dark area and proceeded up a concrete ramp into the sparkle of an intellabeam. On this second level, all to the left, was a warehouse/woodpile stage for the spinners, flanked by speaker towers, two more intellabeams, and two smokies. Into the space and left, were people in costume mingling about the ramp railing, two more speaker towers, and on back to a stairwell, bathrooms, a chill-out room, and drinks sales room. This early in the night the lights were held low, as people filtered onto the central floor, lit sporadically by glowsticks, false vampire teeth, and blinking bicycle safety lights. As the evening progressed, it KICKED into high gear; at midnight the DJ simply fitted the groove and SLID ! Unfortunately, there were several early technical errors. Twice or so a dancer bumped into just the right spot of the "stage" to skip the beats, wrongly skip I'll say as they were fun-skipping along normally. Then the WORST occurred...power--sound and main lights--went down for what seemed an eternity, but which was probably three minutes. The crowd was more than helpful, filling in the gap with wild hoots, patterns of whistling, some continuing dance moves, and some house-clapping. We all knew they were busting their butts behind the scenes to get it going again. The only downside was that this pause occurred twice more in the evening. Several people were drinking or NO2ing, but most seemed to simply be sampling, not sloshing, so the scene stuck well all throughout the night... For the Most Incredible Surprise-Its-Cool-Afterall Award, they played a clear stanza from an easily recognizable pop diva ( was it Samanta Fox?--they blur). Just enough to make you think, "rave's Over, go home NOW!" Then they syncopated the beat of that song with some other beats and that was the end of your worries. That set of beats went SO hard, SO broken, and SO long that we knew the DJ just HAD to be dying!! THAT was true break beat to the max! They should be congratulated, and they were!! An old friend of mine said that she was singing that night, but...unbeleivable for this scene. Well, I stood corrected when, at 3 AM, Nichol meshed her voice with the DJ-beats, backlit by yet another intellabeam. This Rave was Planned And Executed!!! Even the 3AM announcement was coy : "there is a police line just up the road, but it has nothing to do with us. And the wonderful lot owners have opted to allow everyone to exit out of the back of the parking lot.....or you could just stay here and party with us somemore....heh-heh... ;-) " And as seven o'clock approached with the last song, the last two hundred continued to jam and hug in the misty dawn filtered through heavy ceiling windows. --Peace, h.e. hansel-dude (henders@eos.ncsu.edu) [END of *ASSEMBLAGE* 1.1] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:03:42 -0500 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: *Assemblage* 1.1 (2 of 3) ________________________________________________________ /\ . . . . . . . . . /__\ s s e m b l a g e techno \/ music V 1.1 / \S S E M B L A G E rave /\ culture NOV 92 issue editor russell potter rapotter@colby.edu ________________________________________________________ _Assemblage_ is a deliberately ephemeral, occasional, mobile journal that will publish reviews of techno/rave music, raves, dances, along with articles on the social implications of this music (if any). Freelance reviews, signed or unsigned, are welcome. ==================================================== BEGIN PART 2 ==================================================== DANCE! Music, Body, and the Reign of the Senses Russell A. Potter (c) 1992 Russell A. Potter This text may be freely shared among individuals, but may not be republished in any form without the consent of the author. 1. The dance as a sovereign gesture. In Georges Bataille's text, _Sovereignty_, he delineates a cultural domain, a domain that is sovereign in the sense that it is neither _for_ nor _about_ anything else. The sovereign, for Bataille, is opposed both to utility and objectivity; it is useless, it disdains use, and it scorns the (bourgeois) world of 'things.' It chooses the present rather than the past or the future; the transgressive rather than the obedient; its domain is excess, the realm of eroticism and the indecipherable. Yet at the same time, the sovereign is crucial, for it represents that share of each society's (and each individual's) life which is unsubjected to the constraints of work, to the endless deferral of desire which is sublimation. Without such epiphanies of unsubjection, society itself would burst under the strain; the refusal of society's boundaries is the (re)marking of those very boundaries. Thus, inevitably, the value of the sovereign is also its undoing, and necessitates its continuing re-doing; it is not enough to dance once, one must dance and dance dance again. Not the dance as a performance, offered for the consumption of others, but the dance of Dionysos, the dance as the social ritual which marks and exceeds the limits of the social. Dance is the supreme gesture of abandon, the embrace of the moment, the abeyance of work and the annihilation of guilt, neurosis, and the burden of the past. If there is a revolt against the continual demand of bourgeois society, the demand to work in order to accumulate things (including leisure itself, insofar as it is a thing), this revolt can only take place in the domain of the sovereign, and its technic will be the dance. 2. Dance: technic of the totality Dance is not merely on the side of the subject (s/he who dances), but also on the side of the object (s/he with whom s/he dances); it is spectacular as well as completely interior. In fact, the dance is capable of holding in abeyance the entire subject/object split. The associated technics of dance, from the earliest times, amplify this abeyance of the subject: incense, masks, hallucinogenic drugs, firelight or dim light, costumes, perfume, the relentless pounding of the beat. Current technology amplifies these technics still more, with strobe lights, lasers, black lights, moving dancefloors, neon, and an even wider palette of drugs. Such was the genesis of technorave music: in the industrial wastelands, whether of Detroit or Leeds, organizers rented disused warehouses, silent icons of the post-industrial wasteland. Portable sound and light systems would be set up, invitations spread by fliers, over computer networks, or by word of mouth, and by a few hours after nightfall the warehouse would be full. The dance lasted, often, till the morning ("rave till dawn," a phrase borrowed from the hip-hop dj's exhortation "On and on / till the break of dawn"), an incursion against the day, against society, against work, against the eternally deferred bourgeois happiness whose promise had long ago whithered in the shadows of vacant steel mills and ghostly factories. Yet this history is but one phosphorescent fragment of the eternal return of the dance; from the dances of Dionysos to the medieval carnivals, from the bootleg whisky and jug-band blues of southern barrelhouses in the 1880's to the prohibition mix of bathtub gin and jazz at 1930's speakeasies, to whenever and wherever the Grateful Dead pulled into a concert, be it the 60's or the 90's. This link between music and the body of the social is no anomaly; if there is any anomaly it is the hypercephalic spectacle of the audience at a symphony, each deeply lost in thought, their limbs motionless at their sides, where any suggestion of physicality (even a sneeze!) is regarded with horror . . . 3. Dance: The loss of self Like the eastern disciplines of Yoga and Zen, the point of the dance is the _loss_ of subjectivity, the immersion of the tyrannical ego in the bath of undifferentiated subjectivity. It is thus necessarily a collectivity of the most profound kind, even more so than riot and revolutions -- for riots and revolutions have their aims, their goals, and are directed to those ends, whereas the energy of the dance is entirely consumed in the polymorphous conflagration of the senses. Sexualities, personas, postures -- all are lifted from whatever 'place' society may assign, and mobilized in the great enactment of the dance, which is both acknowledgement and reversal of all the other 'acts' which one must 'put on' to maintain one's position in society. Thus the place of the dance is anyplace: under the stars, under the rusted i-beams of the industrial bombshelters of the past, under the glow of lasers, black lights, and strobes. The time of the dance is the eternal present of the senses, a deliberate forgetting and abandonment of the myriad threads which weave us into our neurotic fixations with what has been, or will be. For once, all the energy we waste at these devotions is set free, and mobilized into the collective and limitless space of the rave. To see, and to be seen; to smell, to taste, above all always to be in motion: this is the complete abeyance of time and the reign of the _useful_. The time of the dance is no time at all, it is measured only in the endless stream of beats, now faster, now slower, now fast and hard again . . . . 4. Industrial, Techno and the Return of the Carnival In the shadow of the Black Death and the ceaseless invasions and counter-invasions of mercenary knights, the inhabitants of what would later be named the "Middle Ages" celebrated life in the inverted rituals of the Carnival: Anti-Masses were conducted by celebrants who walked backwards and wore the heads of asses; young girls and boys were crowned kings and annointed bishops; men and women exchanged clothes and roles, and everywhere people drank and danced in a frenzy of life, life which declared this day its territory and refused its accursed pasts and futures. The domain of the Carnivalesque was also the domain of the Carnal, of desire unrefused, of the celebration of fucking, pissing, defecating, and puking, of all the human exchanges upon which the territory of the social had set its prohibition. The technologies of this carnival were relatively simple: facepaint made from roots and grasses; costumes and masks of leather, wool, and bark; for the inebriation of the senses there was mead, wine, and ale; for hallucinatory excursions there was ergot, henbane, and nightshade. This is the domain that Hans Peter Duerr calls _Traumzeit_, or Dreamtime; it is the "other" time that continually erupts into the pious days and hours of both sacred and secular calendars. And, when the "middle ages" gradually faded into memory with the incursion of industrial technology, this "time" was for a moment quelled; where, after all, could one stage a carnival among the narrow, sooty streets of the new industrial cities of the UK and the USA? Where it survived, as in New Orleans, the Carnival became perversely the property of the propertied; with costumes and floats consuming thousands of hours and thousands of dollars, the display of the carnival was appropriated from the masses (though drink, at least, and the license of the lewd, was left them). Yet even as it appeared to extinguish the spark of the Carnival, industrial culture could not permanently repress it. Ironically, it was the industrial muse that itself supplied the soundtrack for the return of the Carnival, whether in the mechanical noises and imagery of the 20's and 30's (e.g. _Metropolis_ or the _Ballet Mechanique_) or in the rancorous resonances of Einstuerzende Neubaten, who made music by banging on bridges and hammering on discarded metal tubes. Just as the Carnival had founded its reaction upon the bourgeois-Christian ethos of its day by tearing open a gateway to the pagan past, "Industrial" music attacked the despair of the post-industrial landscape by re-appropriating the very objects that society had discarded: disused warehouses, vacant fields, and abandoned amusement parks. It was bricolage and pastiche from the start, and its beat was provided by the very technologies it mobilized against; in the heart of the machine, it appeared, was a beat, and the beat initiated the very dance that was the undoing of the world the machine made. The Gothic ruins of the 90's, the empty rustbelt caverns of smelters, foundries, and warehouses, thus became the scene of a new cyberindustrial fusion, in which the boundaries between human and machine were deconstructed under the strobes and lasers of that very machine. The capital-industrial machine itself, inevitably, has attempted to appropriate and commodify this new form, and yet it is always _too little_ and _too late_. By the time the music "industry" had figured out how to market "industrial" music, that music had already shifted, mutated, taken on a new skin like some recombinant virus, to once again penetrate the system and begin (re)producing its subversive beats. Acid House, Hip-Hop, or Technorave; all have continued to evolve at an astonishing pace, making new incursions from sites just outside the genre-lines of record store bins (is Consolidated hip-hop? Techno? Industrial? What about Eon? Greater Than One? The Beatnigs?). Similarly, just as 1-900 RAVE hotlines have tried to capitalize the space of ever-changing rave numbers, or high-tech high-cover-charge clubs have tried to divert the curious by making "rave" a thing and selling it by the inch, ravers have mobilized away, finding new venues, new lines of communication, new formats. With luck, and with dedication, this process will continue, and the commodity shell-game will always be a step away. The new technologies make it easier, in fact, to evade commodification; with a small array of machines and mixers that could fit into a bedroom or a panel truck, rave DJ's can stay one mix ahead. In the UK, even as various government ministers condemned "ravers" and "travellers," their condemnations were sampled and set to a beat within 24 hours; in the USA George Bush and Tipper Gore have been relentlessly sampled by everyone from Ice-T to Consolidated to Front Line Assembly. It is difficult to resist the massmedia machine by rebuttal, but via the appropriation enabled by sampling, parody is only a beat away. Long may the hip-hop crews and rave DJ's continue, and long may the dance repeat its refusal of the strictures of society . . . ========================================================================= Reflections on the Rave Generation by Robert Hooker, Chicago Il ========================================================================= I went to a rave and I started to feel old. Here in Chicago it is pretty hip to go to a Rave; most of my friends have never heard of one. In my late twenties, I am in the uncomfortable situation being between two great cultural happenings; hippies and ravers. There is sort of an empty feeling in the middle. I like to rave because it exposes me to youth, but it can also make me feel a little old. At a Rave I don't rediscover my youth but I discover the youth of a new generation that I am not one of, that I don't fully understand. I become very aware that this new generation that is coming of age now, the first post-cold-war generation, is very different then myself and my generation. Also I feel for the first time that I am one of the old people that these kids are the youth that is opposed to me as the old. For young and old oppose each other and even though we try to make up middle grounds (the pathetic "Middle-Aged" is a case in point) you are generally one or the other. At I rave I really become aware of a generation gap that, even though it does not affect myself that much, keeps most of my friends away. The last rave I went to was an all ages things here in Chicago full of high school students all dresses in the latest rave fashion. In fact there was so much Cross Colors and Fresh Jive that it seemed more like a parody of a rave then a rave itself. Though I enjoyed myself thoroughly and love techno music more then anything I grew up with, the rave continued to leave me with a confused feeling that I could not put my finger on. After this Rave my group went to a Punk/Heavy Metal bar by visited by an older crowd. Walking into the bar looked like walking into a crypt, the punks, dead heads and metal heads (we are a generation of heads) look like walking zombies, corpses, worshipers of death in black leather. It felt comfortable to be back among "normal" people. Then it hit me, what it meant to be my generation. Our generation in all its trends was driven by an ever present awareness of death and hopelessness produced by the anxiety of the cold war. We embraced death for what it seemed to be to us; the only future we had any reason to believe in. Death runs throughout so many of our trends, heavy metal, punk, Terminator. Yet this is not the zeitgeist of the rave generation. The cold war was ending when they were in elementary school. But what drives the Rave set in their baggy pants and funky hats, sucking on their glow-in-the-dark lollypops? Consumerism, oralism, dancing? What is in the mind of this first post cold war generation? For a late-twenties such as myself the question becomes how do you read a rave, how do you decode a rave. What in their world are they referencing, what principle, hopes, fears give rise to the rave. What is the meaning to their oralism, their embracing of consumerism, their loose clothing the color of gum additives? But what would have been my answer if I had been asked at 17 for the meaning of my generation and its trends? I could not have answered. Probably no one could have answered. Probably no one can provide the meaning of an social movement while it is still going on. Case in point are the endless stupid explanations of the 60's written during the 60's. Today the rave generation is simply creating raving, they are making a cultural happening occur. They are raving a rave into existence rather then reading a meaning into the rave. Not until they have finished their college years, not until Rave is over and they are faced with a new generation which makes them aware of themselves, will the Ravers find the words to describe what went on, not until it is all over will they be able to tell me what it was the made them what they are, or how they see the world different then I. Then rave will stop being a movement but an influence, a way of looking, a kind of theory. These theories or outlooks on the world are what is left behind by once dynamic vital social happenings, like the skeleton left behind by a dead animal. You can not have both the skeleton and the living body. Probably just as you can not rave and read the rave at the same time. It is only after the hand is done writing that we can read what has been written. Perhaps this is the very essence of what distinguishes creation of criticism- creation is a living, vital process of becoming, a process so dynamic that the bonds between signs and meanings are unable to solidify. Creation is governed play and a desire for fun. Criticism is a later process, only after creative energy has been finished with a thing can we read the meaning left behind. Criticism is concerned with things left us, things that are now absent from direct experience. Criticism is governed by a desire to make the world an object- governed by rules. Creation is interested in the new, the fun, the young, criticism is interested in preservation, tradition, history, timelessness. For now, "Rave" is still an indeterminate word; the Rave scene is still free of the burdensome weight of meaning. We will only be able to read its meaning after it is over. But the same is true of any cultural happening. We can only think about the now in terms of the then. Probably this accounts for such bad name choices for modern trends. We talk about Cyberpunk long after the punks are gone, We say Industrial music when we live in a post-industrial society (perhaps rock and jazz are the real industrial music), we even call our age POSTmodern. We can only think about what is in terms of what was. I have set out to write about raving but have come to the realization that I can not "write", "write" in a deep sense much deeper then just describing, then meaning of raving. For now a Rave is just strange symbols without fixed meaning. the rave isstill the domain of play, of Sesame's Treet and glow-in-the-dark real neat stuff. And this is why the drugs, balloons, and dancing is so much fun; turn off the brain--forget the semiotics of American popular culture is the only way to keep up with the times--the only way to Rave. ============================================================================== HAVE WE BEEN HERE BEFORE? HIPPIES AND RAVERS, 60s and 90s Arthur Chandler (arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu) ============================================================================== When I walk down Haight Street in San Francisco these days, I think of Mark Twain's saying: "History may not repeat itself, but it rhymes." Haight St. 1992 looks a lot like Haight Street 1967: offbeat clothing, street music, vivid posters, dope bums and psychedelic messiahs, tourists cautiously looking for a hip good time.... "Yep," I say to myself, "It sure looks like...." But wait a minute, Mark: "light" rhymes with "night" and "fight." They're not the same thing at all. Are those similarities signs of something deeper -- a common connection between the 60s and the 90s? Is Ecstasy an updated version of Blue Cheer LSD, and is house music just acid rock in new clothing? To the point: do the similarities reach down to the heart, or are they just a matter of surface style? Do the spirits of the era rhyme? To someone who has lived through both eras, the most striking similarity is the music scene. When the tribes gathered in the Summer of Love, they were called by he music: Santana, it's A Beautiful Day, Jefferson Airplane, the immortal Dead and, beyond all others, the Beatles. The hippie tribes gathered at Fillmore West, the Avalon Ballroom, the Family Dog, and in the green spaces of Golden Gate Park. They got high and danced to the music and the lights. Now the music calls again. . . Now they gather in Toontown and in dusty warehouses, and on the beaches. They get high and dance to the music and the lights. But at first glance (and first hearing), raver music doesn't rhyme with psychedelic music. Lyrics don't matter as music to the ravers as they did to the hippies. When and if the human voice does shout through, it's often sampled and jacked out of the human realm. Words and phrases are cut up and recombined, and the original thought and emotion are lost or transformed into a kind of mantra (listen to what Orb does to the words of the breathless narrator in "Little Fluffy Clouds"). House and techno seem harder, digitally insistent; the spirit that pervades the tribal music of Cyberia is that of the microchip. At the concerts, the music makers have changed their instruments. DJs have replaced live musicians jamming down on their axes. Here in San Francisco, Jeno and Garth rules; here Grace Slick and Paul Kantner rocked the crowds a quarter of a century ago. Moving from one turntable to another, adjusting the mix, rocking one record back and forth until its music is ready to be wedged in under the current sounds from the other turntable -- the DJs moves are far away from the lead guitar smiling at the bassist, both of them trading licks and feeding them to the keyboard player as they all take the pulses from the flailing drummer. But though the musics and their makers look and sound so different, the rhyme of the 60s and 90s is real, like "light" and "bright." Above all, around all, there is Community. A strong sense of community pervades the core of the raver community, as it did among the hippies. The community is held together by a common (if not quite universal) sense of tolerance and fellowship with the whole world. Like the "Gathering of the Tribes" in Golden gate park in the 1960s, raves are open to everyone. Well, maybe not quite everyone. The rhyme ends here. dancing with a thousand raving brothers and sisters under the full moon on the beach or under the mutating fractals uncoiling on the projection screen -- "One world! No color or gender barriers! Come, Unity!" shouts the yes-voice within the raver. But later, as he/she chills out and appraises other people, a small worry whispers, "Who are those suits and high schoolers coming across the bridges and through the tunnels to *our* rave? And that too chummy dude over there who keeps trying to score E -- ten to one he's a cop." The hippies always had a sense of community and, in their Higher Moments, a perception of being part of the whole human community. But (except for the dopers who took too much speed) the paranoia about outsiders didn't set in late in the movement -- and it proved to be one of the dissolving agents of the hippies community. "Suspicion on our part justifies deceit in others," said La Rochefoucauld; and once the worm of suspicion gets going, it eats he heart out of a community. There are signs that the worm may be loose in the raver world. There exists,among a number of ravers, a kind of clubbiness, a sense of being "in" and wanting others to stay out. The exclusiveness isn't race- or gender-motivated; it seems o emerge from a kind of inner-circle hipness. "Don't let them -- Joe Lawyer and Jane Realestate, Freddie teenybopper and Marvin Mediaman, Professor Anna List -- into the rave scene, or it's all over for us!" "Your name's not down, you're not coming in." The community becomes a members-only party, where acceptance into the "real" rave community is dependent upon knowing the "right" people: the ones who know where the real action is tonight, and who let you know when and where it is ("And don't tell anyone you can't trust!"). This suspicion of outsiders leads me to one final point of difference -- the last non-rhyme -- between hardcore hippies and ravers. In the 1960s, the ideal philosophy of the hippies could be summed up in the phrase, "ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE." Love for another person, for the music, for whatever in life you've given your heart to. Love is all you need. The song said it; and, for better and for worse, many of them/us believed it and tried to live up to the possibilities and consequences of that idealism. I don't find this common ground of idealism among ravers. or maybe I should ask the question (and end the essay) thus: How do YOU fill in the blank? ALL YOU NEED IS __________________________ [END OF PART 2 OF *ASSEMBLAGE* 1.1] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:45:48 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: thunderground bullshit. You know, I just recently moved out here from LA (the deadest of the dead scenes as far as I know), so I haven't yet had a chance to experience Sputnik. I went to the storm rave in September. Hmmm....it was my first NY rave. I did notice a kinda violent Brooklyn edge to it. In line, these really drunk guys were getting very annoying, which caused security to push everybody back, and me being so short, I nearly got my nose broken. The rave itself was intense..... I didn't get happy, happy until Dante DJed and there was more room to dance. But all in all, I was impressed with the energy. It didn't compare to my first NASA experience, though. Imagine that. That was transcendent. After LA, I couldn't believe how many people were screaming, had whistles, and were jumping around. In LA that only happens at peaks, provided the 5-0 don't bust the rave too soon. So, I'm looking forward to a Sputnik to blow my mind. Energy, happiness, dancing, smiles!!!! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:54:46 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: Havoc Name The arm and hammer idea.... Jim () a friend of mine from LA (who will probably move out here in the future, by the way) had an idea for the arm and hammer thing he was telling me a while ago....perhaps if he reads this he'll suggest it? Hi Jim :) Nayeli [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:10:53 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: Thunderground On xxx, 11 Nov 1992, KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU wrote: > > >You know, there's one thing that REALLY bothers me about Thunderground. > >My friend Carlos and I went to the opening and we were RAVED DOWN, so we > >got chosen from the line and rushed right in, which sure was cool, but > >very uncool, if you know what I mean. Is this gonna turn into some > >Limelight bs or something? How about having everyone wait their turn in > >line no matter how they're dressed. *sigh* > > I still don't get this Limelight stuff. Seems to me they take everyone, because > they finally realised they're a tourist club and they better get the cash > because soon they'll be the Tunnel II. > > But you know *why* they chose you, right? I mean look--you dressed like a > raver, this is a club you went to to be away from trendy poseurs or no-nothings > (HI LIMELITE just tonite i just got back from the Ultamarine-Orbital-and...and? > no showwhoopscomebackDec. 1) and so it goes. > What's with this guilt shit? Fuck that--look. This raving shit IS elitist. > And for a good reason. You don't want just anyone coming into a club, because > then that degenerates into a poseur-fest, tourist-fest, dead CLUB cuz people > like you complain about all the shits dance out-of-whack and drinking Budweiser's > while dancing!! > > So look. I dress like a raver cuz its a CODE--it means I CARE ABOUT THE SCENE, > and it could mean it for you too. > > BUt wait.... I see Fresh Jive gettin' commercial... > > Maybe it was just the guy who looked at me tonite and then nodded with a > (yeahhesokay) attitude and gave me an UOS#7. (First, sorry about having to include the whole thing up there, kinda clumsy with this computer thing). Ok, to fully answer this letter I think I would have to give you my whole theory of culture/counterculture identities, commercialization, etc... But yes, in some ways I agree, but I don't think you quite understood me. And then there's the fact that all of this is kind of a no-win situation....let me try to be a little clearer. Yes, a dress is a code. Which is why I dress a particular way to go to a club. I don't where much Jive stuff, etc. Mostly just striped shirts, but of course it's all a matter of being identified. The counterculture of rave is a culture, too, with its own standards, etc. I hate people getting drunk and bullying others at raves, or getting violent. I think that's a good standard. Being open doesn't mean having to hang with idiots who have no respect for me. About dancing out of synch, or whatever, HEY, anybody can dance the way they want. Sure, I admire good dancers, but it's the spirit that counts. The posers can go if they want, they will anyway. I don't want to stop them from going into a club because who am I to judge who they are? Hopefully in the end true spirit will win. I find I feel comfortable with MOST of the people at raves, or even if not most, with enough, the people who are having an impact on the scene. As ravers we have a culture, and no culture is pure, single, or stable. I don't want to keep it from developing. I will try to influence it in a positive way. I don't think people should be chosen from the line because of how they are dressed. True ravers (as shaky as the term may be) are not all wearing Jive shirts. Am I getting anything across here? Sure, we are elitist. We can struggle not to be... everything is elitist, though. I guess I'm elitist because I want to hang out with openminded, cool people who love to dance. It's just not going to be any other way. I just don't want to get SO elitist that I exclude people easily , and start saying things like I hate the influence of hip hop on techno. I'm no purist in that sense. Rave culture is going to change...hopefully it won't change the way it did in LA and kind of die. If we want to keep rave alive we have to keep it open. Closed systems stabilize and die. about Jive, my friend Jim was saying it started out as a parody of commercial brand names, and now that irony is lost...that's the constant flow of culture, counterculture, culture. The mainstream (there's not just one and its not simple, of course) absorbs countercultures and vice versa. Happens with graffiti, hip-hop, techno, etc.... Anyway, sorry about the length here.... Peace.] Nayeli [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:26:48 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: being cautiosly selective Um...as far as I've seen, that's what Evolution Vibe Tribe do....making sure people have the spirit, not just the clothes....any evidence to the contrary? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:33:58 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: It's finally happened "I'm not about to say techno is a revolution"... The pigs (and a lot of America) find a lot of kids having fun frightening in my opinion because we are a revolution. We're not going by the rules. We have a lot in common with rock, hip-hop etc. in this way. We're just doing it the happy way. The "system" finds us ideologically threatening, I think. Which is kinda funny in a way (I can remember the expression on this one cop's face...totally astounded), but also meaningful. My friend Jim, from LA, once said at a rave, "If anything can destroy America it's this." He/I mean America as in Amerikkka. We're here to change the world, and that scares people who don't want change. I find those people oppressive beyond all belief. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:35:08 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: thunderground bullshit. On Wed, 11 Nov 1992, sounds from the big house wrote: > on opening night of the thunderground , they were being selective of who they > were letting in and who they weren't... > > I suppose they wanted to keep the place clear of "fucking 'a'" people... > > But being selective isn't the way to do it. > > -John I saw pleny-0-fuckin' A people there, even with the choosing, so yeah, it's definitely not the way. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 12-NOV-1992 20:02:57.04 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Thunderground >> >You know, there's one thing that REALLY bothers me about Thunderground. >> >My friend Carlos and I went to the opening and we were RAVED DOWN, so we >> >got chosen from the line and rushed right in, which sure was cool, but >> >very uncool, if you know what I mean. Is this gonna turn into some >> >> But you know *why* they chose you, right? I mean look--you dressed like a >> raver, this is a club you went to to be away from trendy poseurs or no-nothings >> So look. I dress like a raver cuz its a CODE--it means I CARE ABOUT THE SCENE, >> and it could mean it for you too. >Yes, a dress is a code. Which is why I dress a particular way to go to a >club. I don't where much Jive stuff, etc. Mostly just striped shirts, >but of course it's all a matter of being identified. The counterculture >of rave is a culture, too, with its own standards, etc. I hate people >getting drunk and bullying others at raves, or getting violent. I think >that's a good standard. Being open doesn't mean having to hang with >If we want to keep rave alive we have to keep it open. Closed systems >stabilize and die. Okay. First of all I was fucked-up when I wrote my original reply. But yes, let me say I agree with what you said. As a matter of fact as far as Jive I only own one shirt. Most of my stuff is improvised from the real source (why pay $18 for a Big Fun House hat? I can cut the neck off of a turtleneck from Salvation Army... voila! the hat I usually wear.) You're right... however my whole response was written in the context of my bad nite at the Limelite. I just remember this one point when these four jocko idiots were dancing out-of-rhythm, bumping into people with no concern and drinking Budweiser's on the floor. That was a specific reference that pissed me off. I certainly don't want to exclude people from raves or clubs, as LONG AS THEY will respect me. (I remember the last time I was at Future Shock in May when some muscle-bound asshole literally knocked me aside to make room for him and his girl.) Like Brian said, dress is a form of communication. In fact Brian's dress style would be something people could recognize as "ravey". So when the Thunderground people rushed you in, it may have just been a thing where getting people who are really into the music in there first will create a good vibe cuz they are unlikely to be inhibited. As someone else said, other people get let in eventually. But do you really want the types I described above, who disrespect people and just go there to be assholes getting in? A raver can be an asshole, I'm sure, but they are unlikely to muscle you or knock you around. So be it. I don't want to be the snob demon of ne-raves. As long as someone is genuinely interested in techno, and having a good time and respecting others, they are okay with me. It's just that you can never tell that by LOOKING at a person. That's why the rave "style" exists. So whatever. Peace and Loveism... (BTW I will be at Life. Please don't come up and hit me. :) --Mr. Sparkle [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:30:05 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Oh england, my lionheart) Subject: Se-Raves I thought there was a listing for SE-Raves that included florida.. and I remember losing a good portion of users to it when it recently started up.. But those users were from the florida area anyhow. I'd like to get the address for it if anyone has it, just to add it to our files. For the people that are still looking for it, I don't remember where it is! -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 12-NOV-1992 20:32:19.14 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue nov 10 [LONG]) >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Saturday, November 14 >QUEST Providence, RI >This came out of _Under One Sky_, but I'm not sure this rave is really >happening now since LIFE got moved to the 14th and since >Amoebahead/Big Fun House (who put on QUEST) are part of LIFE. That issue of >_UOS_ was printed before LIFE was moved and before the November Storm Rave >was moved to December 12. But who knows? Can someone find out for sure? >NOV 14 QUEST RAVE RHODE ISLAND w/DJs SANDRA COLLINS(LA), JIMMY CRASH, HEATHER ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No, I'm sure this event is a dead letter because Jimmy Crash is going to be djing at the Tune Inn in New Haven, CT on the 14th, for free. BTW Tune Inn is a good choice for those who canna make it to da Life... --Mr. Sparkle [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 12 Nov 1992 20:55:54 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Tune Inn mr sparkle suggested TUNE INN in new haven, ct. as a cool place.. well, if anyone's not doing anything on december 19th, check me out there..... i'll be playing ( toxic beatbox) that night... keep an optik out for it. :) >> taylor101 [ t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t ] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:06:55 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: More DefCon poop (literly) This may be a huge disoppointment to many of you, but here it goes: DefCon 1 was suppose to be held 4 floors underground in a parking garage. However the garage owners renigged on their contract. Now [sab,sab] DefCon 1 will be held in Cheverly at the same location as MasqueRave. I recieved this info from Cleen just about an hour ago (Th. 8.00pm). I hope I don't break any hearts. I liked MasqueRave very much, it should be fun even if going to be the same old thing. Sometimes the same old thing is good, if the old thing was good. See Everyone There!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:24:04 EST Subject: Re: Life hook-up... and i'll be there! lessee, will be wearing red jeans, euro-shades :), the same hat i was wearing at BOLD (if i can borrow it again), my NE-RAVER diskette i don't receive the badge in the mail in time (oops ^-- if) (haven't figured out what shirt to wear, oh yeah, and a reflector somewhere on my person). can't wait to meet the people i haven't met yet! also, 2 days after taylor suggested Tresor and UFORb, i snuck on over to Newbury comics (in framingham) after work, and they had NOTHING ! i was totally bummed. oh well, see ya saturday! donato :-) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:46 EST From: Subject: Unsuscribe Please unsuscribe me from the ne-raves mailing list. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:42:42 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Wax Trax Records, anyone? Yes, they are in serious financial trouble and will be either out of business or bought out in a very short time. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:40:12 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu (Peter Fort) Subject: The Loft Could someone tell me where exactly The Loft is? How late does it stay open, and what techno are they going to be playing (hardcore, trance, deep house..)? Puhleeeeeeeeeez? Do they have any age limit + any other important info. Thanx a lot. PEACE Peter (Ze KRazY cZek) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: rwr9481@cs.rit.edu (Robert W Reay) Subject: Silk Stalkings Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:17:43 -0500 (EST) Did any you get to see silk stalkings last night (no I don't know the channel or the time). The plot was basicly this rave "organization" sells new drugs, not yet scheduled, to people. One girl dies on the dance floor from it, and people are still dancing in the background. Well they dump thew body and kill this one cop who tries to investigate. Thats when I went to sleep. If this is what mainstream America thinks of raves, we have a lot to do to change peoples ideas. The organization was evil, cruel and nasty. They wouldn't call an ambulance when the girl was dying, cause they din't want to be busted. The show portrayed ravers basicly as just going to get high or laid. This could be why cops are starting to come down hard. Maybe if they understood more and watched tv less..... Actually come to think of it,when Parker Lewis went raving, it was basicly sex based. Any way less typing, more working. -Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:31 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: to everyone who has ordered a badge I am terribly sorry that it's been taking so long but I've been having lots of problems: 1) Didn't get money from people quickly enough to be able to make the badges from start to finish in one day. 2) When I finally got enough money to laminate the badges, the guy doing the lamination screwed up 6 badges very badly. I will go and get those 6 re-laminated sometime next week. 3) When I went Wednesday to mail the other "paid" badges I found out it was Veteran's Day and the post office was closed. 4) I have a really big deadline at work and so have been basically chained to my desk so I haven't had another chance to go the the post office. I can't just drop these things in the mail because they are overweight and I need to weigh them, etc. Please be patient. If you are going to LIFE and want me to bring your badge (and if your badge is finished, of course), I will. But let me know by 3.00 today because that is when I have to leave for Boston. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:26:37 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: RE: Tune Inn > mr sparkle suggested TUNE INN in new haven, ct. as a cool place... Does anyone have directions to this place (from Boston)? C. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:11 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: More DefCon poop (literly) >DefCon 1 was suppose to be held 4 floors underground in a parking garage. >However the garage owners renigged on their contract. Now [sab,sab] DefCon 1 >will be held in Cheverly at the same location as MasqueRave. I hope they're going to do something about the entryway from the hardcore floor to the Ambient/Trance floor. It was just too small last time. Can you ask him what he plans to do about this? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:43:48 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Silk Stalkings > From rwr9481@cs.rit.edu Fri Nov 13 09:30:37 1992 > busted. The show portrayed ravers basicly as just going to get high or laid. > This could be why cops are starting to come down hard. Maybe if they > understood more and watched tv less..... The corporate media will always portrait a false, negative image of a culture that isn't making *them* money. Like earlier discussions have pointed out, mainstream America is frightened to death of "strange" sub-cultures. Every portrail of raving I've seen in the mainstream media has been negative, violent, drug and sex based and basically completely incorrect. They don't have a clue. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: Life hook-up... well, i'm planning on being there too. probably be wearing cutoffs, black tights with a white stripe down the left leg, don't know what else yet. besides, it will probably be easier for me to spot the usual crowd than for the crowd to spot me. :) mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:02:20 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: More DefCon poop (literly) I neglected to ask him about the entryway. I believe that they have learned from their past experience and will have some sort of outside way of getting from room to room. My ticket serial number was 236. Although this dosen't seem like like alot, most tickets for theor productions are purchased the day of the event At MasqueRave, I bought my ticket the day before and they said that they only sold about 250 so far. Then 3000 show up, so maybe this one will be as big as MasqueRave. Hopefully it will be as (or more, I'm always open for better) good as MR. Everyone look for me- I believe that I'll be wearing a reddish stocking hat that has a huge (6 inches maybe) ball on the top. Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu Oh also....... my cohorts and myself may have _Fission Power Part 2_ with us to hand out to everyone. It is being printed as I write on another side of campus. They should be ready to hand out by tonight. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:04:54 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: Silk Stalkings The media is the true Devil in these talks. They portray us as bad, but if they looked at themselves they would understand that they are far worse off then us. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:51:09 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Big Raveaphobia I think it's happening to me. I won't be able to make it to DefCon. It seems like it's going to be too big and not very well planned by the promoters. I don't like the *big* rave hype surrounding this event. If anyone is planning on a road trip, I'd suggest you take a detour and head for PowerRave in Pittsburgh. - Rob O [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 13 Nov 1992 12:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: media vs. the rave indeed it is sad how negatively raves are portrayed throughout the media. it makes me very upset. i mean, raves are so POSITIVE, why isn't the world happy that kids have found something really meaningful and safe? however, on the good side... this summer TIME magazine did a two page article about raves. it was VERY positive. and it made me really happy. i'm not sure what week it was from.. but it was a cool ariticle. it had color photos from NASA and berlin and talked about the positive energy and spirit of raving. Time magazine isn't a SMALL publication and to me this has more impakt than a fucking episode of Silk Stalkings. i don't think us ravers are TOTALLY harshed on by the media, but there is some bashing that will hurt us. all we an do is continue to be happy and positive and SMART. and years down the road, when we're STILL raving, and nothing BAD has come out of it (and hopefully something GOOD) then the media might realize they were wrong all along. this is peace and unity. love, >>taylor 808 [ prototype 909 ] [ s q u a r e w a v e f e t i s h t e a m ] [ t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t ] :: system de/aktivated hope to see some of you at LIFE. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:42 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: LIFE Ticket Sales I just got off the phone with John. He said that he was talking to Debo last night and (contrary to what is printed on the flyer) there will be no advanced ticket sales. Tickets for LIFE may be purchased at the door. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:27:26 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I don't think that the 26.99 or whatever high price you paid was the domestic version--if it is that's shocking cause I got mine 2 days ago at Tower in Harvard Square (it may have been the last one...) If it is the new price of the special edition domestic--that's pretty ridiculous.... I paid $43 for mine if you take into account the fact that I first bought the import and it got stolen....($28 + $15=$43...at least I got a bonus when I had to replace the UFOrb disc...) -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: PREPOWERAVETTE CANCELLED the title says it all....only 2 people(1 really) RSVP'd and i've got to be at the ravesite at 7.30 to prepare....sorry.... SEE YOU AT POWERRAVE..... mike _______________________________________________________________________________ _ "digging in the dirt, to find the places we got hurt" -peter gabriel [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:25:23 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (MARSHAL HAMILTON VILLAROSA) Subject: Re: choosing the mainstream... Hey all, It's Mars. Thanks e va n for bringing this subject up about the Freight Yard. I D.J. there and when we were going into this new venture, my imagination went wild with what this place-The Freight Yard-could become. Unfortunately, rational thought needs to come into play in any goals that a person has as well as enthusiasm. My friends and I (Rave=Unity Productions) looked at this new situation through our eyes, and thought about what we wanted and not about what would actually work. We forgot that many of the people who would come to the club had never heard techno before. I think that Evan's message might have given you the wrong impression about what we are planning on doing and I just wanted to clarify things a bit. We aren't spinning any hip hop or top 40 dance or club or even industrial, but what that message was all about was the following: We are breaking a new scene in a new area and we have to keep that in mind. We aren't going to play less techno, we just have to play more of what's identifiable to a crowd that's never heard ANY techno. This might mean that we still have to play stuff that is (OH MY GOD) over 6 months old, i.e., O'fortuna by Apotheosis or James Brown is Dead or 2 unlimited shit or T99 or Quadraphonia or Dominator or Insomniak, get the idea? We had two friends of mine, Larry Clifton (DAYZ X-1) and Mike (D.j. Freshco) who both work at PlanetX Records in NewBrunswick,NJ (a GREAT record store)) come up and DJ on Friday before Halloween. Well, they always get the latest releases so that's what they spun. The results? Let's just put it this way: the Lehigh Valley is not ready for Hardcore (Rotterdam stuff), trance, or tribal techno. I was shocked. Noone danced and most of the 150 people there left when they went on at Midnight. So what did that mean? We didn't have a big enough raver crowd to make the Freight Yard an underground rave scene. We were going to have to get these people into the more underground rave music the same way that many people had gotten into it before: through the club scene. I never sell out to the crowd by playing what they want to hear that I don't like, but you've got to wean these neophites from their top-40 by playing music that is a happy median between what they are used to and the newest hardcore stuff that I keep buying. I'm not real sure what Evan's point was to that message he wrote, but you've got to realize that breaking a scene requires some insight on what's going to work and what's not. I think that what seperates DJ's is their ability to cause a vibe-to get some electricity flowing. Some DJ's are just too wrapped up in their own little worlds to care if this is happening (been to any raves lately where that vibe is missing when certain DJ's are on? They suck, huh?) The Freight Yard has tons of potential with a group of ravers (Rave=Unity Productions) that have tons of energy and ambition. What we really need is any support that anyone else can give in helping us get this club and the scene off the ground here in the Lehigh Valley. It's only an hour north of Philly and an Hour and a half west of NYC. Next Friday, this techno band that is from Bethlehem called Tri Angel is going to play at the club and I dance with them. Come out here if you can and support a scene that's just breaking. If anyone has any input they can give, it'd be much appreciated. Peace, Rave, and Unity, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== direct from (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm out of this world cyber-wear [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:39:06 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: pre-life party in boston ok, ok. i'll host an ne-raves pre-life get together at my apartment. i live in boston right near kenmore square. i hues itt will be from about 6:30 to 9:30. i don't really have much to offer in the way of food, my apartment doesnt even come close to laura's, but it should be fun. bring some food to share. camper viral groove base 7 miner street boston, ma 02215 617-536-6382 \ \ \ \ *\\\\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / / / / / / / // ////////////// kenmore sqaure (citgo sign) directions: go to boston, kenmore square facing away from the city there are three streets that diverge from kenmore the left is brookline, the middle is beacon, the right is commonwealth. take beacon street. it is the first real street off it, right after stitches comedy club. email me to let me know you are xoming. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (wow! that drink was camperific!) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:19:06 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: raves in israel... > WOW.. can you imagine dancing all night in the warmth and fresh air under > the stars? It would be a religious experience. Wonder if we can do this > somewhere here. ::deep thought mode:: It happens all the time in San Francisco. On the night of every full moon there is a free outdoor rave. I went to a few over the spring and summer and they were very nice -- good music, good crowd and excellent outdoor environment (usually a beach or a park or someone's ranch). They still have Full Moon Raves in the winter, but it's getting a bit chilly for me. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:24:21 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Wordy Rappinghood) Subject: Re: Life hook-up... We've got the tresor comp here.. it's brilliant.. IF youre in a particularlly Electronic-Music mood, pick up Jean Michel Jarre Revolutions.. You'd be suprised how innovative his stuff is even now.. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:27:27 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Wordy Rappinghood) Subject: Se-Raves answered? Chris just sent me this, you might be intrested... >From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) >To: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu >Subject: Re: Se-Raves > >Try writing steve@cse.fau.edu >I think he's the list administrator... >-Chris. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 13 Nov 92 15:35:41 EDT From: Subject: POWER-RAVE WEATHER REPORT ? Are there any RAVERS out there in electronic medium land that can tell me what the weather in Pennsylvania (:en-route to Pittsburgh from Cleveland:) is supposed to be like today and throughout the night. Snow ?!? _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 14:35:15 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? > From jshiple@media-lab.mit.edu Fri Nov 13 14:28:09 1992 > I don't think that the 26.99 or whatever high price you paid was the > domestic version--if it is that's shocking cause I got mine 2 days > ago at Tower in Harvard Square (it may have been the last one...) > > If it is the new price of the special edition domestic--that's pretty > ridiculous.... I went to the Tower in Burlington (near work) and the bins were stocked full of brand new long boxes with the message "includes over 2 hours of music,etc.. including the Blue Room" with a $26.99 price tag. Looks alot like the new release to me. I can't understand why they would have it priced so high here in the burbs and low in the city. When I go home tonight I'll check out the Harvard Tower and see if it's the same box. It's gotta be. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:03:49 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: Where do I find Orb in the Music Store? i got UFOrb, complete with blue room (it was stickered as dave describes), for $11.99 or $12.99 hereabouts. don't pay $27. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:02:43 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: DEF-CON1 Does anybody know whats happening with DEFCON tonite ? I heard they changed the location. Whats going on ? X-ENGLISH RAVER [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:49:51 -0500 (EST) From: Michael F Hauben Subject: Positive Media Coverage! Hi! I still haven't gotten to a Rave (still want to), but noticed a local free newspaper that had a cover story on the "New Underground Nightlife: At All-Night 'Rave' Parties, '60s Psychedlia Meets '90s Techno-Pop in West Side Warehouses." This rather surprisingly positive article was in the Manhatten Spirit (Vol 8, No. 45. Through Nov. 18,1992 issue) that I found on the Upper West Side of NYC. If you can, try to pick up a copy (located in the free newspaper boxes on street corners). (Except for maybe the caption of one of the pictures "Raves are for loners"(???) A bad way of saying that Ravers are very accepting?) -Michael [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:46:26 PST From: ithaca!amber!phoebe@uunet.UU.NET (P. Couch) Subject: NY at Thanksgiving Hi, I am on the sfraves list but will be in NY city for Thanksgiving. I'd appreciate a rave calendar and also any suggestions for cool places or events(parties/clubs/raves/sites) to check out. ThanX, P. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 08:37:28 -0500 From: denise@bambam.wellesley.edu (Denise Hsu) Subject: Re: to everyone who has ordered a badge [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: IRC? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 12:21:37 EST if anyone has been on IRC at all, please mail me: i am considerably bored sometimes and i would like to talk to other people out there. also, is it Rave or Rave_Scen? i haven't talked to anyone yet that i know. which is ill. sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 09:51:33 -0800 From: Paul Richard Subject: Inauguration Raves I'm planning to travel to DC to see Bill Clinton become president. Anyone know if there are any inaugural raves being planned? Thanks for your help, and peace to all! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 10:36:57 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: Inauguration Raves Don't expect any "official" rave from the Inaugral Committee. The closest this "hip MTV appearing" president will get will be a "youth inaugural ball" featuring R.E.M ;-( - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 14:37:54 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: ugh This is just a test. -d^2 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 14:24:28 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: IRC? Acually, I've worked a lot of the kinks out of the Virtual Rave telnet site I've set up on haas, so if people wanted to use that it would be great. I've been on it late at night for the past week or so talking to joachim and susie, and the more the merrier. :) If you are able to have multiple windows open, I would suggest opening one and leaving it open until someone else comes on - I've noticed by looking at logs that people log on about once every 20 minutes or so during the day, then log out fairly quickly cause no one's there. So anyways, to get on, do a telnet haas 7283 - you don't need a special client binary to run it. Log in as "new" if you haven't before. I may make a change soon that would mean people will have to re-login as new, but I'll let everyone know when that happens... Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 20:47:12 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: HARMONY (positive energy) this weekend was so fucked up. first i was supposed to go to pittsburgh (i live in allentown, pa) to see damian dj at powerrave but when three people bagged at the last minute (2 hours before we were going to go), i would have been the only one left to make a four hour drive (each way) and it would have been too hard, even though damian certainly would've been worth it :)) instead, i went down to neptune, nj to hang out with some friends. they told me about this rave called HARMONY that was going to happen that night around staten island. to skip a long part, we got to harmony at 2 or 3 am. it was in a suburb, in an industrial park- in a brick room that could hold maybe 200 people. we walked in, paid, and stepped into this little room. get this- inside were maybe 60 people, all ravers, just grooving to music. the room was totally dark except for ONE strobe light and a ufo light, plus a monitor showing fractals and vr demos. on the other side of the room were the turntables, resting on a bunch of milk crates. this party was so amazing, so SMALL- i felt at home- the energy was very tangible. many were tripping or x'ing but i wasn't and i felt it. it was so cool, people- like the roots of everything- just a party thrown by friends- AND DANTE WAS DJ'ING THERE :))))) his set was AWESOME- dancey trance coolness. i just stood there for a while watching him spin. it was great. then, we left at 7 am cos we had a 2 hour drive ahead of us to get back home, but it was great. i picked up a couple of invites for stuff that wasn't on rave-o-matic, so i'll post it separate. e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 13:38:32 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (MARSHAL HAMILTON VILLAROSA) Subject: Tri Angel Hey everyone, This coming Friday at the Freight Yard in Allentown, PA the techno/house band that I dance with is going to be playing. The club is really cool. It's in an old warehouse and has great lights and a big sound system. I dj techno there every Friday ( as I've written about before), but if you live any distance away, I would suggest coming out this Friday to check it out because it will probably be the biggest thing that's happened there so far. It costs $6 and the club is open from 10pm to 2am. Give me a call if you want to know more about it. My number is (215) 758 1909. E va n and I have been looking into locations to throw a rave here in the Lehigh Valley and we found an AWESOME location. It is a totally abandoned train station that is half boarded up in this real industrial part of town. The whole setting is next to the Lehigh Valley River and Bethlehem Steel, Inc. We'll keep you posted, but I think we want to throw a rave mainly foir the ne-ravers and their friend (i.e. all hardcore ravers- no outsiders). If you're interested in helping us work something out, e-mail me or call me. I look forward to hearing from you. Rave and unity, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== direct from (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm out of this world cyber-wear =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:00:00 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: FDA gives approval to testing of Ecstasy Pulled this from sf-raves, socal-raves... I'm pretty sure you'll all find it interesting. from yesterday's SF Examiner [I guess they think somebody in the community is interested in this :) ] FDA gives approval to testing of Ecstasy By Sarah Pekkanen States News Service (reprinted without permission) WASHINGTON - In an unprecedented decision, the Food and Drug Administration has cleared the way for a UC-Irvine researcher to study the effects of a hallucinogenic drug known as MDMA, or Ecstasy, on human subjects. Dr. Charles Grob last week won FDA approval for his study, expected to take place at the campus in two months. During Grob's study, six health professionals, who have not yet been selected, will take two low-level doses of the drug and a placebo during three separate sessions to determine the effect of the drug. The FDA approval is a major breakthrough for researchers who have, with few exceptions, been denied permission to administer hal- lucinogens, including LSD, to human subjects since officials moved to outlaw the drugs in the late 1960s. Rick Doblin, president of a non-profit organization called the Multidiscipliary Association for Psychedelic Studies, said the subjects will be volunteers who all took Ecstasy before it was outlawed by the FDA in 1985. The subjects have already assumed any risks associated with the drug, which may also have contributed to the FDA approval, Doblin said. The six volunteers participating in the drug study will be subject to a battery of non- invasive tests, including mood status, analysis of pain reduction and cognitive tests, said Grob. Grob still has two more hurdles to clear before his study can take place: He must win approval from the Drug Enforcement Administration and the California Research Advisory Panel. Doblin said he did not expect either agency to oppose the study. The drug Ecstasy has been reported to increase self-confidence and self-acceptance and induce feelings of empathy and love, which could make it a useful tool for psychotherapists, some researchers say. Although negative side effects of the drug include decreased appetite and decreased desire to perform mental or physical tasks, the drug may also help alleviate pain, which could benefit certain terminally ill patients, Doblin said. Grob said he hopes to eventually win FDA approval for a study that would involve administering the drug to end-stage cancer patients. ________________________________________________ Derek Chung Oracle Graphics dhchung@oracle.com (415)506-6195 Pharmecutical quality Ecstasy in a few years? Anybody got any friends that work in medicine? :)) dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Michael F Hauben Subject: Moby DJed at Columbia U. Last night at a "pseudo-rave" or rather "dance-party" at Columbia University Moby DJed for at least an hour (in the rather early night 11:15 - 12:15 or so.) It was part of Columbia U's annual music/drug Realityfest. Kindof wierd because in a way this "rave" replaced a normally headlining music act. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 15:59:44 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Ignore unless you own LFO-Frequencies Upon the recommendations of many on this list, I picked up LFO's album. I really think its terrific. However, did anyone notice that the song "Track 14" listed as being the 14th track is actually track 7 and all tracks after that are off by one (8->9,etc)? I thought that was a bit odd. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: life ... trance :) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:40:57 -0500 (EST) this is not going to be a review but a thanks to all those who made it out to worcester, my *lovely* hometown (NOT!) for a very beautiful rave... i especially want to thank all the wonderful trance dj's that just totally blew my mind...and cured a week long of migrane headaches...i swear it's theraputic... :) thanks to john, laura, taylor and ed for chillin with me after the rave...IHOP was great, and who could ever forget the S N O W :) :) :) i love you guys... peace... love... forever in a trance : Becca just waiting for Explorer I ... hmmmmm .... ps... nice meeting some of you new ne-ravers...i am sure i will see you again sometime :) lock on target (is that right guys???) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 15 Nov 1992 19:54:04 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: LIFE = BLISS well, it's only 8 pm. sunday night.. i got in sort of early and i'm happy. i can chill. play with todd's package of goodies :) and write. LIFE was blissful. that's all i can say. i think the best rave i've ever been to. it was cozy. just a few hundred people...500? 700? ALL really cool people. an incredible vibe. the music was a good mix.. hardcore, breakbeat.. but what made it blissful for me was that it was mostly trance and acid..sigh.. ed an i lost it at one point..we entered this really weird trance state that i can't explain. it was a mixture of the amino acids, brain pep pills and the music. i think i fell asleep dancing. i opened my eyes and didn't know how much time had passed or exactly where i was.. i couldn't stop smiling.. thanks to all the ne-ravers who i got to meet for the first time...kreig, mike, john....and thanks to everyone who did the whole weekend with me.. ed, john, becca.. laura.. I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!!!!! my smile hasn't gone away. no rave has quite effekted me in this way. if anyone here COULD have gone, but didn't for some reason.. i highly suggest not missing the next one. i don't know what else to say. i'm happy. and becca: l o c k o n t a r g e t BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM. (fucking cyber blaster bliss) cozy purple. >> taylor 909 T R A N C E A C I D A D D I K T 8 0 8 B L I P C O R E X O X O X [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: LIFE = BLISS Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:16:56 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I would have to agree, Life was definitely wonderful... I really loved the location--in an old, renovated theatre...nice dance floor, nice places to rest, really pretty cool... I also like that it wasn't too crowded--I got there at 1:00 and there were a lot of people--but it wasn't totally packed--there was enough free space to move around on the dance floor, and you didn't have much trouble walking around the place. How long did it last--at 6:00 when I left, it was starting to get sparse. It was really cool to meet some other ne-ravers...finally... I agree with Taylor--definitely the best rave I've been to.... -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:47:02 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: PHILLY POSSE i was just thinking how we all live within about an hour (or less) of philly and how we should try to meet up/go to raves together!! does this sound cool??? just a suggestion- we could meet at the trocadero (10th & arch sts., philly) either at revolution (wednesday nights) or their friday night techno dances... me and my friend mars are trying to start something up here in allentown (about an hour north of philly) and it would be great if you guys would help support us by coming up sometime and going to the club- we could get a bunch in for free!!! also, there are some raves coming up we could carpool to- explorer I (dec. 5) and some stuff in dc and new york... email me back if this sounds cool!! to the others on the list: does anyone else live close to philly and/or want to meet sometime?? email me back.... e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:40:38 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: telnetting "haas 7283" to the person that posted saying he had an IRC-like program that we could telnet and talk on, could you give me the full address for it?? previously, you said that "telnet hass 7283" would do it, but i think i need the full address, like an ".edu" tag or something- could you post it, cos i think it would be cool.... e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18:52:45 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: telnetting "haas 7283" oops, okay, sorry. my fault, only because I'm on the same subdomain. telnet haas.berkeley.edu 7283 there we go.... Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Life Is Life Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 22:24:45 EST Well I finally got off of my butt and got out to one of these things and BOY I am glad I did. As mentioned Life washeld in an old theatre, a wonderful location. The space was also excellently set up and utilized. The lights were also phenomenal and the power of the bass was bowel weakening. The main reason for me deciding to go was the breadth of the DJs advertised and they did not disappoint. In fact, the variety of music played was incredible; in the ELEVEN hours I was there (11p.m. when doors finally opened to 10 a.m. when everything was shut down with about 15 people still there) I think only two songs were played twice. One a pounding piecewith the sample "no women allowed" (anyone know the name of this track? Doesn't exactly promote togetherness, eh?) and a track of 'jazzy techno' that was played at both the beginning and end of the night. No complaining here. Things seemed to be starting off kind of slowly, around 1:30 the place still seemed kind of sparse. This combined with the fact that the music had not yet grabbed me had me feeling a little wary. This all drastically changed about 2 a.m.. Idon't know who was djing but he started with Microdot by Lenny Dee and just got faster/harder/crazier. Then hardcore 'band' Equinox came on and sent me into orbit. These guys produced the most distorted/loud FUCKED UP dance music I have ever heard...obviously influenced by Richie Hawtin, they started with a 'trac-x' type distorted beat and proceeded to incorporate noisy portions of other techno tracks like Substance Abuse and even Dominator (in a piece with the splicedsample 'There is no Dominator!') over hardcore pummelling and the nastiest acid sounds I have ever heard. Utter chaos... The only annoying aspectwas the loud-mouthed M.C.. I spoke to a member of the group and found out they have two EPs put out on Vortex records from NYC. I must get these. After this, I was very glad Debo was next so that I could take a break =>. Then Tim Ryan sent me psycho again with his acidic set, the next 4 hours were a blur. I lost track of how crowded the place was although about 4 a.m. (during ALLES NAAR...) I remember feeling that the place looked pretty densely populated, not that it mattered. I finally 'surfaced' during Mac deHey's set. I thought I was going to pass out around 7 a.m. but then Wink came on (I think...) and with the weird bleepiness he played I found it more relaxing to groove on the dancefloor rather than to try and fall asleep beneath a table. The last DJ went from 8-10. I kept expecting him to play a nice ambient set to close out the night but he stuck with fairlybland breakbeat (IMO). The only disappointment was that Mayhem wasn't there - supposedly he was in Maine. I believe I saw a few of you as I saw a couple people with disc like objects around their necks but didn't get close enough to be sure. I was wearing a white Plus8 T-shirt. I left at 10 feeling totally drained and happy but that I didn't want to hear Techno againfor quite some time. On the way home however, the techno 'craving' seeped back into me as I started thinking about seeing/hearing Lenny Dee and Wink at Explorer. Addicted. I need sleep. -Chris Teixeira [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 05:01 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: DEFCON I Did anyone go? Did you like it? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: The best of my LIFE so far Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 1:55:13 EST "When somebody comes up and asks you, 'Do you want drugs?', what do you tell them?" Due to recent advances in toy firearms technology, it is now possible to make techno in Toys R Us. We must have acted upon something preordained when we went wild in Nature Food Center and came out with all sorts of nutritional supplements (the Brain Pep pills mentioned elsewhere being one of these). Without them and the *incredible* trance sets played there, I doubt I would have experienced the spiritual energy of this rave as cleanly as I did. Taylor -- there's *plenty* more where that came from! Grinning all night indeed! Becca is too modest in thanking Laura, John, Taylor and me for chilling with her after the rave. Thank *you* for providing the crash space for us! It is hard to believe that after all the aurally-induced spiritual gifts, the powers that be had one more to bestow as we left for IHOP -- the season's first snow (for us NY/NJ types at least). I love you all, too. The longer this goes on, the more of us who come together, the more we can guarantee that there will always be raving. No matter how many times I miss the exit for the Tappan Zee Bridge! :-) -Ed Lock on target! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:40:14 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: DEFCON I DefCon1: Well, when we heard it wasn't going to be held in the underground parking lot, a lot of people bailed. I, however, had already bought my ticket! It was held in the same warehouse as the Catastrophic Masquerave. I got this immense feeling of deja-vu... When we got there around 10:30, there was no one dancing, and no actually dancable music playing. Things were still getting set up, and nothing much happened till about midnight. Then they toyed with us for about 20 minutes with flashing the intellibeams, then turning everything off, saying stuff about making more noise, hitting us with a truly cochlea-killing sweep tone pattern. It was cute at first, then got pretty annoying. Finally they gave in, and we got some music. Lieven played some serious hardcore, but ya know, I don't think us DC'ers fully appreciate non-melodic thumps. Not that there's anything _wrong_ with it, it's just the crowd didn't get going till we moved into less basic beat and more musical selections. Diva was great, playing a style that felt really different from the usual DC selection, and the crowd quite enjoyed it. After a rough start, things really got going. Lighting was fine, no lasers, but oodles of intellibeams and emulators. With the exception of the high-pitch sweep test, the sound system evidently was a little less deafening than Masquerave, and every now and then the music would get so quiet you could actually hear someone speaking...evidently there were some audio bugs. But again, once things got rolling for a bit things got much smoother. There was no public chill out room per se...there was one room with a smart bar (good stuff from Neural Energy), Jolt bar, and a mind machine. The only other room was the dance floor, and they had intelligently blocked off the ambient space Masquerave had which lead to near infinite waits to slip from room to room due to microscopic door size. It was looking kinda bad for a while, but it took a whopping good turn, and I had alot of fun and ended up hanging there until around 5:00 AM. A quality rave! -Thomas resident technoshaman keeper of the UMRaveList [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 03:23:32 EST From: Susan Kameny Subject: No subject HIya...i found an throw away mag called d.c. flavor and they had a cheez a rtical on smart beverages..they listed a bunch of numbers to call for cataloges so i thought i would post them for those that are interested...here yah go...s mart mart 1 212 254 6055, life services supplement 1 800 542 3230, smart produc ts 1 800 858 6520, star groove 1 203 245 0688, love source 7 1 415 979 8177..th e artical was dumb and not worth my retyping..but the numbers are useful...part yon...susie [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:03:49 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: LIFE. mikey likes it. LIFE. my first real rave (went to quest II but only stayed until 3:00 - for reasons not of my making, i hasten to add). it was wonderful meeting and hanging with The Gang at long last. and everyone was glowing, whether by glowstick or, as in ed's case, by beautific smile. :) i had no firm grasp of time passing. i was dancing. then i was lying on the stage feeling the base vibrate my body. then i was asleep. then i was dancing again. at some point, john pointed up at this little window. "daylight". oh. it all had a very surreal quality. at times i couldn't tell when i was lying still and listening to the music and when i was catnapping. then i would snap back to awakeness and have no idea how much time had passed. so yesterday and today i'm wandering around, my body pleasantly tired, constantly running beats through my head, occasionally bouncing up and down at 130-140 bpm and wondering if i can possibly explain to any of my friends (civilians, non-ravers) what i experienced this weekend... (one thing i did learn: i'm going to have to work on the way i dance. i lean forward a lot, and i started feeling it in my lower back late in the night and i can still feel it. :( other than that, i'm surprised how little punished my body feels - tired but refreshed and cleansed in a way.) camper, ciamac, shannon, john, laura, taylor, becca - thank you all for a wonderful experience mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:16:13 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: LIFE = BLISS well, since everyone seems to be saying it was the best rave they'd been to, i'm glad i had such a good place to start. :) but i hope this doesn't make my standards too high. ;) [let's hope things just get better 'n' better...] mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Nov 92 11:32:27 EDT From: Subject: POWER RAVE ! Owwwwww.....RAVE ON !!! And this is how the story goes...Tareq and I didn't leave Cleveland until 9:00 and it's only a 2.5 hour drive to Pittsburgh (:if you know where you're going:) and of course we didn't. But the overwhelming desire to RAVE led us on, even after getting lost 3 times. Not to mention the lady at the gas station we asked for directions thought I was going to rob her. So, as two computer analysts are supposed to do we made things more difficult than they actually were. Since we had a shitload of cd's we probably could have gotten lost another 3 times and still been psyched. We ended up getting there at about 1:00 am and catching the last half of dieselBoy's set. *smokin'* The perfect way to start a RAVE. In my opion all the dj's were great. I didn't stop dancing for a full minute. The vibe was totally strong. It was held in a skating rink and I have to hand it to the promoters for getting the police involved from the beginning. That way there weren't any problems with them trying to break it up. Smooth. The cops probably thought we were stark, RAVING mad ! At first there was only one guy mixing smart drinx and Tareq and I stood in line for about an hour (:of course I was RAVING around in line the whole time !:) and just before we get to the counter, they run out of water and ice. They only thing that saved us was someone had the bright idea to make SMART JELLO ! Way cool. These guys just wandered around the crowd with plastic spoons and big tupperware containers with smart jello. I wish I'd had a bigger spoon ! Met up with some other ne-ravers. It was good to see you all ! Hope to see you all again ! Hey dieselBoy, I want to get one of those t-shirts like Tareqs. All in all it was a great RAVE. Plenty of space to dance. Great sets of music with people like dieselBoy and ADAM X. Plenty of places to cool out. A soulful journey and no ATTITUDES ! Peace. _Golden_Boy "Who loves you.....and who do you love...It's time to start runnning !" [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Nov 92 11:35:39 EDT From: Subject: WEATHER REPORT HELP P.S. Thanx to everyone that replied to my request for a weather report. I think we saw ~5 snowflakes. As Tareq said "it was meant to be !" [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:02:24 -0500 (EST) From: Nayeli Garci-Crespo Subject: Re: Silk Stalkings Re. what mainstream America thinks of raves. Hee, hee.... They're just molding them out to be their inner selves that they're trying to repress in some sort of Freudian process. Sex at raves, whatever. Once I was in line (for Shiva's Erotic Banquet, ironically, in LA) and there reporters came up and started filming the craziest ravers they could find, including this little 10 yr. old kid or something, and they were asking this one guy if there were drugs in there, and he was like, they're drugs everywhere, why don't you stop making a negative image of this. You want to hear a crime, go to a bar where they're still serving liquor at 5 am. Well, that's not really a crime either in my eyes, but it's just so funny that the media chooses raves as the center for drugs, when, although I do see drugs at raves, I see A LOT less fucked up people than at ANY other social event I've ever been to. America finds anything that's cool threatening. It's funny, though, and you can get off on it, so you don't get upset at it. A friend of mine's roommate, when he was walking around and was being harassed by the Jesus loves you people, would just conform to their view of him and start frothing at the mouth screaming "I smoke pot, I'm on acid, AAAAAAAAAA" Freaks em out. It fun as hell. You know, it's like they think we're on drugs and weird and freaked out anyway, no matter what we do, so why not have fun with it? It's the media's fault and "the people up there with the suits" fault that the mainstream has a negative view of raves. We didn't do it. *sigh* Then again, I don't want raves to be co-opted into the mainstream, so maybe it's good they find it threatening. It just sucks when it gets to the point that they won't let you rave. That's when people realize how oppressive this country is, and then maybe we'll fight to change things around here. I hate ravers being accused of apathy. Are we withdrawing in disgust? I hate being political, but I also want my voice to be heard. Maybe if we rave loud enough.... like not voting, but being VERY vocal about it. Or how about if we got everyone that's unhappy with the situation in this country and got them to vote (we have to wait ANOTHER 4 YEARS???) for Bugs Bunny. Imagine, couldn't accuse us of apathy then. It'd be like a big FUCK YOU. And then, of course, they'd jus laugh in our face.... but if we could actually pull it off. Now THAT would make me smile. Comments? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:28:35 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: to the pittsburgh crowd. so. i'm going to be in pittsburgh (visiting a friend at cmu) between 11/21 and 11/30. rave-wise (or club-wise), what is there that's fun to do? mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:20 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Meaning of LIFE Yes, LIFE was really as good as everyone's been cooing. Some additional observations: This was the make-it-or-break-it event for "Lord" John Debo. Well, he did right for us all, and I hope he does it again. Even if it's at the same location that would be great. Especially if it's at the same location! DJ Dave the Wave, who was previously slammed on this list, has made such a complete and wonderful change he needs to be commended here. Very good set he spun around 12.30 - 1.00 . It seems that techno is his true calling, not top-of-the-alternative charts stuff. New Haven is lucky to have him. DJ Tim Ryan, of Venus and HMV/Boston, spun the most amazing trance set. He is the DJ that was spinning when most of us (Mike, Ed, Taylor, Laura, etc) went "over the edge" or "off into space" or wherever we went. Great job! As good as Tim Ryan was, Dave Trance and Josh Wink were even better in my opinion. So it was really out-there trance-wise Saturday! It is a total shame Dante didn't come on until 8.20 and had to spin to an empty house. I stayed and danced until 9.00 am, when John A. dragged me out, me grooving all the way. I really felt bad for Dante, because he is such an amazing DJ (my favorite, so I'm biased). This is the second rave in a row in Worcester where he's had to spin to a very small audience. I really wanted to stay, but when you're raving in committee you have to be fair to everyone, and at that point Ed, Taylor, and Becca were curled up around the radiator in the Men's bathroom -- it seemed to be the only source of heat in the building once all the ravers started leaving around 5.00 am. It was excellent meeting all the ne-ravers who came. Tina and Denise from Wellesley, Mike from Brown, Kevin, John S. and Ciamac from the Boston area, Kreig from Wesleyan, and Donato -- seeing you all (and all your friends and anyone else's name I've forgotten) made LIFE extra-special for me. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Nov 92 13:45:11 EDT From: Subject: FUTURE PERFECT CARPOOL Are there any RAVERS out there in electronic medium land in the Cleveland area that are going to FUTURE PERFECT in Cinicinnati this weekend ? _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:12:14 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: LIFE was a STORM The subject says it all. On Saturday November 14th, New York invaded Boston with STORM quality hardcore and trance. Oh the joy of being able to groove to this level of hardcore without a 5 hour drive ahead of me. Thank you NY for coming to Boston and giving this town a healthy dose of what's going on down there. Maybe the Boston promoters/DJ's will get a clue now and branch off and try new avenues of music. I do like breakbeat and happy rave, but a local hardcore scene would be really convienent. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:41:26 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: about the music... one thing i've noticed: whenever i go out - to a club or a rave - most of what i hear is stuff i've never heard before. i assume this is due to the large time gap between things that come out on vinyl that good DJs get and things that come out on CD that i get. so what do i do if i want to hear more of what DJs are spinning right now in the comfort of my own home? i have no turntable. i won't be getting one soon. and none of my close personal friends are DJs. Camper: could you make me copies of some of the DJ tapes you have? or anyone who has such interesting stuff, i'd love to get copies of it. i don't know what i could offer in trade though, beyond buying the blanks. help me. :) thanks, mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:33 EST From: MAB195@psuvm.psu.edu Subject: Re: PHILLY POSSE e va n, i live 15 minutes outside of philly, delaware county actually, except now i am up in state college, BUT i will be back home around thanksgiving and christ- mas, so i would be interested in anything you could come up with, so keep me in mind mike barnes mab195 @psuvm.psu.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:51:01 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: Silk Stalkings > Sex at raves, >whatever. Well although having sex at a rave may seem like a hollywood fantasy, we actually saw it last weekendd. At DefCon 1 in Cheverly (Washington suburb) two young folk were actually engaged in the act against the wall just a few feet from where wwe all were sitting. They had their clothes on, but she was wearing a skiirt and sitting on his lap. They were apparently under the influenc of E, because they didn''t seem to mind the staring faces all around them. I thought that it was beautiful (no, I'm not a sicko) and just added to the entire enviroment. It was also something more to laugh and wonder with my friennds (we all were on mesc.). People claim that this is the hippie movement of the 90's and I would say that this was something straight from Woodstock. MIke TehGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:00:46 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: about the music... Most stores that carry 12' records of your choosing (ie Techno) will carry current CD's. These CD's are usually imported which accounts for their $25-50 price tag. Unfortunetly if you want to hear the current stuff you gotta shell out tons of dollars. Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:08:10 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (birth,school,work,death!) Subject: Re: Life Is Life Hey, we saw you, inf cat i was going to walk up to you because you had a plus-8 shirt on, but i didn't... Life was amazing, no doubt.. I got to see my all-time favorite techno band, Equinox, talk a bit with Pete and Damian Wild (from said band) about their equiptment and making techno, and got to listen to some amazing DJ's.. Most memorable things that happened: The soundman ripping his earphones off his head, and screaming when equinox started to play... Meeting all sorts of ne-ravers.. Trying to get to sleep at beccas, but keeping everyone awake mumbling "lock-on-target" Finding the cyberblaster gun in toys'r'us that made the lenny-dee noises and target-distengrated samples.. It was great... it went the way it should have... it was a big success. At first I wasn't even going to go to this, because it was a debo thing, but talking to debo on thursday night @venus earned him my respect, and this rave was even better... I saw bunches of people from NYC and people from all over the parts that ne-raves covers... thanks guys, thanks for coming it was wonderful... I don't think it could have been any better. the only thing that this compares to is the first store i went to, the one when I started raving... (oops, I meant to say FIRST STORM i went to ...stupid editor..) --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:09:52 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: about the music... On Mon, 16 Nov 1992, Michael Ray Roberts wrote: > Most stores that carry 12' records of your choosing (ie Techno) will carry > current CD's. These CD's are usually imported which accounts for their > $25-50 price tag. Unfortunetly if you want to hear the current stuff you gotta > shell out tons of dollars. i had guessed as much. it amazes me, then, that some people have the time, opportunity, and money to stay on the cutting edge of the music and rave and club every week. sheesh. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:14:12 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (birth,school,work,death!) Subject: Re: LIFE. mikey likes it. mike--- you mentioned seeing daylight, and I haven't the time to haggle with the editor to requote you... but.. It always struck me as wonderful seeing daylight the next morning after a rave, or to see it poking in during the rave itself... While we're happily raving away, the rest of the world is just waking up.... We've done more in the past 12 hours of darkness then they've done all day. I'm just a night person I suppose.. but it was great... and the place was dark enough to stay dark even in the wee morning hours, with just the sun poking in , cast down past the DJ's, onto a stage pulsating with subwoofers ahh.. blissful... techno, technology, people, and sound... as I sat on the stage, it amazed me how much of a grand circus of light and sound the rave was.... -- John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:23:51 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (while you were out) Subject: Re: about the music... We could spin up some stuff (this amazing DJ friend of ours left his turn table and all records at our place, and leaves them there in our studio all the time) for you... --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:19:51 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (birth,school,work,death!) Subject: Re: The Meaning of LIFE Speaking of Dave Trance, if any of you ever get a chance to mee him, he's one of the Nicest people from NYC you could ever meet, great guy, wonderful to talk to , and he's spent the last year unemployed and raving! :) -John (quite a bit like me, actually) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:29:16 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: about the music... Well, you didn't have to be rude about it. You will probably find that most people who are on the "cutting edge of music" are DJ's, etc. so they don't have to have extra money for club or rave fees. If you're interested in CD's in the normal price category ($12-18) , go to a normal record store and buy one of the compilations. They may be old but some are very good. Try Technorave 2, 3, and 4. They are VERY good for $13. Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:18 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Catastrophic/DC/Sat. Nov. 28 Hi everyone! I'm going to be down in Annapolis at my parents' for Thanksgiving. I'm thinking seriously about going to Catastrophic's "Quaker Rave" on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. If any of you all are planning on going drop me some email and maybe we can work out a meeting point. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 16 Nov 92 16:00:35 EDT From: Subject: OOPS ! NOT FUTURE PERFECT OOPS ! I posted a call for a CAR pool to FUTURE PERFECT. What I meant was is anyone in the Cleveland area going to THE HOUSE OF EUPHORIA ? dUh ! _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:43:43 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (wrapped in grey) Subject: Se-Raves address se-Raves is se-raves@cybernet.cse.fau.edu if anyone wants the address. I haven't seen ANY activity on it at all, and I'm n it. maybe the florida people should get moving :) -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:52:45 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: about the music... > From proton@wam.umd.edu Mon Nov 16 15:38:18 1992 > Most stores that carry 12' records of your choosing (ie Techno) will carry > current CD's. These CD's are usually imported which accounts for their "Current CD's" is a relative term. Most CD comps out are filled with 3-6 month old music. WIth rare exception (ie. that Tresor Comp), most of the CD comps are overpriced, too commercial (sue me!), and contain old tracks. Unfortunately the only way to get truly underground, current music is to search hard for 12" (yes, vinyl) and get a turntable or two. Mike: You're at Brown, right? Well, *try* to get Tim Haslett's show on 90.3 WZBC on Tuesdays from 6-7. Good underground techno showcased in an informative format. This will give you a good idea of what's out there. You may not be able to get it. As a matter of fact, you probably won't, but keep it in mind if you're ever in the area on that day. Life is a Storm. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:07:06 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: about the music... i'm sorry. i didn't mean to sound rude. i would love to buy more music than i do and go out more, but i feel like i just can't. it's already the case that my friends have to pick their lower jaws up off the floor when i describe my most recent cd spree. mainly, i think i'd enjoy going to a rave and hearing more stuff i know. not that i'm trying to be cool or something, but i like that frisson of recognition. (sorry if i insulted you...) mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:13:23 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: carpe noctem (Re: LIFE. mikey likes it.) On Mon, 16 Nov 1992, jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu wrote: > It always struck me as wonderful seeing daylight the next morning after > a rave, or to see it poking in during the rave itself... While we're > happily raving away, the rest of the world is just waking up.... We've > done more in the past 12 hours of darkness then they've done all day. reminds me of a shirt a friend of mine has (is selling to all the late-night-working computer-geeks - like me, i guess - around here). on the front, it says "carpe noctem" and on the back "i do more after 2:00 am than most people do all day" or something to that effect. actually, if people like the sound of it, i could see if he's still selling them... mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:09 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: about the music... Investing in a turntable might not be a bad idea. If you look around you can find a decent one -- maybe if you're really lucky a used 1200 that is still in good shape (maybe you'll need a new needle). I bought a turntable by mail-order from DAK and I'm happy with it. (Its only problem isn't really its fault -- my apartment's floors are warped so badly that if you jump around or dance too vigorusly or even move on just the right board everything will skip, and there is no weight adjustment on the darn thing for me to compensate with.) It was only $130 and has the neat feature of having a small single-beam laser in the arm so it can find tracks for you rather than you moving the arm around by hand. Of course, since it's linear-tracking it is totally unsuited for DJ-ing, but if all you want to do is be able to listen to the latest 12" and white-labels then that's what you might want to do. Laura (neurotrancer) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:47:49 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (VCO->VCA->VCF) Subject: Se/ FL Raves situation Here's the situation on Se/FL raves now if anyone's intrested. don't subscribe to the se-raves address that i listed earlier. sorry for the inconvience. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:31:36 -0500 From: steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: situation of old se-raves Ok everyone, here is the situation: I have just restarted the listserver with the latest version of the software... For a while I had ignored it due to low volume/interest, however I have received several subscription requests and inquiries lately and I decided to get us back in action. It is ironic that today I should also hear about another se-raves list that is being created. Part of the problem, I guess, is that I never announced to alt.rave. Oh well. I have decided to change the name of our list to FL-RAVES@cybernet.cse.fau.edu but for the time being the SE-RAVES@cybernet.cse.fau.edu alias will point to the same place. I am awaiting a reply from the owner/manager of the other SE-RAVES list. (at vanderbelt?) Either we will stay completely seperate (with some CC:'ing, no doubt) or we will configure ours to be peer lists. I'll let you all know what happens. ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:49:24 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (VCO->VCA->VCF) Subject: Re: about the music... If you're poor and can't afford 1200's, gemini makes a 1200 wanna-be, it does the job, looks like a 1200 and works fine. maybe it isn't as nice and wonderful as a 1200 is , but great for learning. of course, I'd buy a 1200 if i was buying a turntable.. ALL or nothing, i say. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:20:52 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: Catastrophic/DC/Sat. Nov. 28 No doubt a group of UMRaveListers will be at Quaker Rave (me at least!) We usually meet up at a computer lab in the basment of a large parking garage at the College Park campus before rave events, except when we have pre-rave get togethers. If anyone wants more info, email me! (A bunch of UM people are definately going to Miky Rave in Baltimore this weekend...) -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:31:13 -0500 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: chicago rave >This weekend I went to Chicago with some friends. We did not go exclusively >to attend the Pulse Rave but I think that was the deciding factor in making >the trip (Chicago is a 7 hour drive from where I live). The rave was Saturday >night and we had tickets when we got to the location at 1am. There was a huge >line outside and "authorities" walking around saying that the place was >already filled to capacity and so even those with tickets would just get their >money back and have to leave. Then there were threats about bringing in >Chicago police and stuff like that. Well, we waited around for a while. Some >people left and finally they announced that they were letting in 50 more >people. So, we got into the rave! Well, there were about 1500 people there >but hardly anyone was dancing, and I was getting the feeling that few of the >people there really understood what raving was about. I was feeling really >tired and decided to get a smart drink to sort of wake me up and give me some >energy. Well, I looked around and found that, to my dismay, there was no >smart bar. Oh, well. I took a look around and a listen to the dj to whom I >had been oblivious for the first 20 minutes. Well, I don't know his name, and >quite frankly, don't care to know it. He had a drum machine or something, >and for the next hour or so, played an unchanging beat and yelled into a mic. >It was not techno. There was nothing the whole time except the beat and the >yelling. No samples, no techno riffs, no music at all. Well, I didn't quite >understand. Later, a different dj, who was from the U.K. came on. Well, he >was better and played lots of hardcore, which is what I like. But he, like the >first dj, had the irritating habit of yelling constantly into the mic. We >left around 3:30am. Well, Pulse did not impress me at all and I'm not sure >ehat the problem there was. Maybe the apathy of the people there was because >the dj's were so bad. Maybe the unravelike aura was due to overpublicization. >HMMMMMMMM?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? > >I wish I had gone to LIFE. Were there any other ne-ravers at Pulse? I had >a floppy around my neck on a blue string with a blue whistle. I'll probably >be wearing the disk from now on and forever, so if you see the disk and baby >blue whistle, say hi. Is there anyone out there that has had better >experiences in Chicago? > >Marla. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: ravin bran 27 nov 92 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 20:56:09 EST watch out! there are several flyers out and about with the wrong info line number. the correct information is as follows: ravin bran 27 nov 92 11pm-6am? all ages $5 (21+) $7 (21-) TRIPle bangin live acts...quadruple fresh dj's on the cuts...delivering the ruffest beats in the midwest. basslines to move your mind on thanksgiving weekend ***more midwest DJ's to come....(dj EZ cheez..plus more) LIVE IN CLEVELAND!!! PA's --------------------------------------------------------------------------- theory collapse--columbus furious hardcore orgaz--akron's finest hyper techno body release--columbus krushin breakbeat DJ's --------------------------------------------------------------------------- rob sherwood--cleveland mike filly--cleveland dieselBoy--pittsburgh ian mariano--akron guest hosts -------------------------------------------------------------------------- house of face the underground posse mak diva--go-go leeann * georgette promotions -------------------------------------------------------------------------- conception/promotion: mel ske dred promotional assistance: robert divine & johnny mac -------------------------------------------------------------------------- INFOLINE: columbus 614.299.9529 cleveland 216.892.3373 ENHANCED design (this will be taking place in downtown cleveland. call me for more details) FUTURE PERFECT is the day after, so it will be a dope weekend in cleveland for thanksgiving sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: about the music... Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:45:21 -0500 From: Andrew C Crosby your message: > If you're poor and can't afford 1200's, gemini makes a 1200 wanna-be, > it does the job, looks like a 1200 and works fine. maybe it isn't as > nice and wonderful as a 1200 is , but great for learning. this is true. i got a cheap pair of used geminis that are incredibly difficult to mix with.. but my first chance at using 1200's was like moving from a chevette to a sports car, the skills you have to develop with the poor quality stuff spill over into extra skills on better equip. andy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:56:10 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Re: Life Is Life I agree that Life was pretty excellent. It was cool to finally meet everyone. It's strange to that although the rave seemed pretty successful from our point of view, I seems to have been a disaster business-wise. Apparently only 500-600 people showed up, much less than the 1000+ they were hoping for and supposedly Debo lost a few thousand dollars. Don't hold your breath for Life II ... Ciamac. PS - Hope to see everyone 28 Nov at Storm Rave! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: about the music... Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 0:48:06 EST > what do i do if i want to hear > more of what DJs are spinning right now in the comfort of my own home? i > have no turntable. i won't be getting one soon. and none of my close > personal friends are DJs. This is not easy, then. Techno has a short "shelf life" (<1 month) to begin with, and a lot of it never gets to CD at all. There are a few techno labels that make CDs (e.g. R&S), but true to form, they're more expensive than their vinyl counterparts. Not only that, the small DJ specialty shops aren't likely to stock all the CDs that do come out, since there's so little demand for them from DJs. So for a lot of it, you're stuck with waiting for it to show up on a comp. As far as the cost goes, don't forget that club and rave DJs get paid to spin. Many DJs shell out $200 or more per week for music, but it's a cost of doing business, not an expensive hobby. Full-time DJs can also get a lot of promos and remixes that simply can't be bought "on the street" at all, or won't be released to the shops until a few weeks after they're sent to DJs in white-label form. Some DJs also have their own releases and even their own private record labels. The club/rave/DJ/indie-label situation has been like this since the early 70's, when disco was still completely underground. Whether you think "disco sucks" or not, we owe many of our current ideas about DJing to it. The bottom line is that if you want to be able to get and play the same music the DJs play, as early as they play it, become a DJ yourself. (Or get a turntable and a high-paying day job. :-) -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:27:47 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: about the music... REPLY TO 11/16/92 22:17 FROM ebh@mink.mt.att.com "Ed Horch": Re: about the music... out on the westcoast, many djs make and sell mix tapes with a greater currency than cd comps. they]re hardly bmi or ascap legal. but its a start. stay in it pat pat To: ebh@mink.mt.att.com cc: NE-RAVES@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:32 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: PHILLY POSSE I live in DC, which is about 2.45 from Philly. I think it would be fun to cruise up there for something, weather permitting. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:32 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Catastrophic/DC/Sat. Nov. 28 >Hi everyone! > >I'm going to be down in Annapolis at my parents' for Thanksgiving. I'm >thinking seriously about going to Catastrophic's "Quaker Rave" on the >Saturday after Thanksgiving. If any of you all are planning on going >drop me some email and maybe we can work out a meeting point. > >Laura Laura, I'm pretty sure I'm going.. I live here in DC. It would be great to finally meet you. I'll leave the meeting point up to someone else. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 09:51 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: storm rave Ciamac wrote: >PS - Hope to see everyone 28 Nov at Storm Rave! I wouldn't get in the car and drive to New York on the 28th for a Storm Rave unless I saw a flyer that had that date on it. As far as I know (via Joey Fax, "Executive Producer of Storm Raves"), the next Storm Rave is December 12. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:32 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Chicago Raves I know this should probably be posted to mw-raves, but I'm not quite sure how to do that. If someone could forward this there or let me know the internet address I'd be grateful. I'm going to be in Chicago this weekend and I'd like to know if there are any raves on Saturday the 28th. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:40:08 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: about the music... On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:07:06 -0500 (EST) you said: > i would love to buy more music >than i do and go out more, but i feel like i just can't. it's already the >case that my friends have to pick their lower jaws up off the floor when i >describe my most recent cd spree. Not only that, but if you shell out $25 for the latest CD compilation (or whatever) and then hate it, you're stuck with a $25 paperweight. >mainly, i think i'd enjoy going to a rave and hearing more stuff i know. >not that i'm trying to be cool or something, but i like that frisson of >recognition. Personally, I'd much rather go to a rave (not that I've been to one yet) and hear at least some stuff I know. It would make it much more enjoy- able for me. It's great to hear new stuff, but frustrating when you have no way of finding out what it is. Anybody with lots of new techno stuff interested in holding an ne-raves 'listening session'? :) -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:41 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Fred Wolf!! Tareq Alrashid Sorry to waste bandwidth folks. Hi Fred and Tareq. I've once again misplaced your US mail addresses. I've been trying to send you email and it's been bouncing from my machine (but I see mail's been getting through via silver . . .) Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 10:55:45 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: J'N'J Recently I picked up a techno compilation called Technosonics Volume 2 (I think) that had a song on it that had samples from the "Phantom of the Opera" theme in it and kept mentioning "the ballet". I know I've heard a similar song that has more "Phantom" samples in it. It's like a techno-ized version of the "Phantom" theme. The one on Technosonics was by J'N'J. The other one may well have been by the same artist. Anybody know what compilation this might be on, or other info about J'N'J? This may be "old news" to those who are up on the latest techno, but it's new to me. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: The Orb, Life, and life in general. Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:06:40 EST could you send me the orb's discography (both domestic and imported releases)? i forgot what you said on the way to life. thanx u munch, munch, munch. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIFE WAS WAY GROOVY! -------------------- I must say that, having spent my summer at home in No.Cal., spending, it seems, the entirety of my time at this rave or another in SF, and having had the sheer mind-expanding experience of A Rave Called Sharon at the San Francisco Concourse Convention Center (and sharing this experience with some 8,000 people), I'd have to say that LIFE was the best vibe to date. Besides the fact that someone neglected the existance of a smartbar(essential, considering the toys that ravers play with), everything was really superraverronirific. The music could only be described as intense. The acoustics of the theatre turned the 60K bass movements into an orgasmic inner-body massage. It could be said that there was too much hard-core played, and I would agree, but I was Technocore moshing too hard to care. When the primal spring opened, there was no turning back. I would have liked some more ethereal/ambient sooner too calm me down so I could have danced until the end, because I ended up just going as hard as I could until I hit a brick wall and had to enjoy the rest of the rave from the comfort of a chair. The lighting was really entrancing and during periods of exhaustion, I got some really good trances going, even during the hardcorrest of songs. Of course, when the energy came back, there was always that elemental spring, waiting to rip open my ribcage and throw me back into the frey of the technomindfuck. I walked out into the freezing westernMass. air at 10am on Sunday a shell of mental mush. No direction, no feeling, only exhaustion. (Of course, at that point, I had been awake since 4am on Saturday. (Dont ask, MIT'll make you do some pretty nutty things.) But I really felt calm, collected, and purified. For those of you that made it to LIFE, and weren't as drugged out as I was, you may recall a 6' ultraskinny lunatic, wearing a black velvet pillow hat, or when that got too sweaty, a red pony tail coming straight out the top of his head, dancing as if in the heat of a spasmatic fit, you can be sure it was me. Hope you all had as good a time as I did, PEACE...LOVE...BASS...RAVE! shhhh. "better living through chemistry." P.s. Does anyone know if it is possible to smoke enough dope so as to cancel out the more erotic effects of E? If it is, I think I did it this weekend. Big mistake. Shit, my back hurts... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:02 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue nov 17 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Random Thursdays . . . FEVER Baltimore (410) - 880 - 1166 (410) - 837 - 9110 Charles Fields and Scott Henry prsent F E V E R Grand Opening -- Thursday, November 19, 1992 -- 10 pm to 5 am $6 admission w/this flier, $8 w/o smart bar by _think smart_ 21 & over B.Y.O.B. Promos: LG, d-CORE, Nelson Hiltner, Jerome Aviance & Guy Smiley Performance by the House of Aviance 3 rooms of music TRIBAL Jerome Hicks (Sat. night Paradox) Keith Miller (from DC) Tom T. (Quorum, DC) TECHNO Frankie Bones (Rave Innovator) Scott Henry (Catastrophic, DC & Orbit) Micro (Caffeine, Long island) CHILL OUT Dante (Evolution, NYC) LG, Bobble & Wash (Atomic Vibe) 410.880.1166 or 410.837.9110 1310 Russell Street, Baltimore Directions: Take Greene Street toward Camden Yards, past the stadium. After the first traffic light, take the ramp onto Russell Street (in front of the Staples bldg.), follow Russell Street 2 blocks, left onto W. Ostend Street. Fever is in the white bldg on the right. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Look for upcoming fliers at these stores: music now, 12" dance records, modern music, oh! susanna, dreamland, stikky fingers, urban outfitters, betsey johnson, muclear kiss & commander salamnder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 20 THE HOUSE OF EUPHORIA Cincinnati, OH (513) 860 - 6039 (614) 523 - 8711 (216) 348 - 4701 (313) 358 - 9882 1-800-4RAVE-LINE Thome Tomato, the man that brought you RAVEONE, now takes you to... the HOUSE of EUPHORIA with a live performance by MOBY Friday November 20, MCMXCII Spinning in the house: From LA DJ Doc Martin [of the LA Underground] Detroit Richie Rich New York Keoki Toledo DJ Boomer Cleveland Rob Sherwood Columbus Kevy Kev Cincinnati DJ Daisy 6 Watt Laser by Retina Fry to X-Pand your sight... Lighting by Scotto... 12x12 Sega Genesis Video Wall starring Sonic the Hedgehog Loops by Ecstacy Effects ...Special Thanx to Everyone in the Midwest Scene... Ticket & Location information: Cincinnati 513.860-6039 Columbus 614.523-8711 Cleveland 216.348-4701 Detroit 313.358-9882 New York 1-800-4RAVE-LINE Sponsored by ACT UP, PROJECT X, VOOM, BANG-instant RAVE GEAR, WIZARD RECORDS, PLUS 8 RECORDS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 JOURNEY TO THE MILKY RAVE Baltimore, MD (410) - 563 - 7880 Ultraworld Xcursion presents: J o u r n e y t o t h e M i l k y R a v e Saturday, November 21, 1992 Baltimore, MD Djs Scott Henry - Baltimore Jason Jinx - NYC Josh Wink - Philly Neuromancer - DC Bobble - Baltimore Proctile - DC Sun - Annapolis Boarding Passes Available at Modern Music Baltimore (410) 523-1882 Music Now Washington (202) 638-3272 $10 in Advance, $13 at the door Smart drinks by Neuro Energy Raveware by nuclear Kiss, Lucid V Experience Moon Dancing in the Gyrobix Anti-Gravity Simulator Zap out with Syncro Energize's Virtual Reality Ultraworld Xcursions Rave line: (410) 563-7880 [Note: The 1st Ultraworld was very good. These promoters can do a rave. - Rob] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 LOON-EE-TOONS Toronto (416) - 760 - 3232 PLEASURE FORCE AND SPG MUSIC PRESENTS LOON-EE-TOONS SATURDAY NOV 21 IN TORONTO PLEASURE LINE 416-760-3232 MEETING POINT UNION STATION FREE TRANSPORT TO VENUE AND BACK LIVE PA'S: NRG perf. "He Never Lost his Hardcore", etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 BEYOND Washington, DC (202) - 488 - 1200 This came in from Eric: Quorum in Washington DC (right around the corner from Tracks) has an after- hours Techno party called Beyond from 3am till about 8am on Saturday nights (actually Sunday morning.) Club: Quorum Address: 56 L Street SE Washington, DC Phone: (202) 488-1200 Party: Beyond Days: Saturday Night(Sunday Morning) 3am - 8am Quorum is a gay bar, but the party is alot of fun and the crowd is very mixed. I've met alot of people from NY and along the E Coast there. The DJs are good and they play some great Trance stuff. I would advise calling in advance to definately make sure that Beyond is being hosted. I believe one night a month it is something else. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 Nashville, TN I heard on alt.rave that there will be a rave in Nashville on this day. Moby will be performing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 27 RAVIN BRAN Cleveland, OH (614) - 299 - 9529 (216) - 892 - 3373 ravin bran 27 nov 92 11pm-6am? all ages $5 (21+) $7 (21-) TRIPle bangin live acts...quadruple fresh dj's on the cuts...delivering the ruffest beats in the midwest. basslines to move your mind on thanksgiving weekend ***more midwest DJ's to come....(dj EZ cheez..plus more) LIVE IN CLEVELAND!!! PA's theory collapse--columbus furious hardcore orgaz--akron's finest hyper techno body release--columbus krushin breakbeat DJ's rob sherwood--cleveland mike filly--cleveland dieselBoy--pittsburgh ian mariano--akron guest hosts: house of face the underground posse mak diva--go-go leeann * georgette promotions: conception/promotion: mel ske dred promotional assistance: robert divine & johnny mac INFOLINE: columbus 614.299.9529 cleveland 216.892.3373 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 TIME MACHINE New York (Long Island) "x-cubed invites you to TIME MACHINE, a retrospective in techno. dave trance dante DJS micro jimmy crash sat. nov. 28 10 pm til ??? directions: southern state parkway to exit 35. go north to 1st light. make right (edison rd). make left onto lamar st. #48 lamar on left side. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 EXODUS Toronto (416) - 790 - 8132 MAJOR RAVE ANNOUNCEMENT EXODUS PRODUCTIONS proudly presents SHUT UP AND DANCE and PETER BOUNCER LIVE!! In their first ever North American Appearance Plus surprise openning act (all acts confirmed) Saturday November 28, 1992 in Toronto, Canada Exodus Event Line 416-790-8132 Location: 888 Yonge Street No meeting point - no bollox. Tickets 15 advance, 20 at door ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 Catastrophic's Q U A K E R R A V E 100 % Natural 12 HOURS 10PM TO 10AM Thanksgiving Weekend -- Saturday, November 28th $15.00 cover Catastrophic East Coast Gathering New York, Philadelphia, Boston, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Baltimore, RI, Wisconsin, New Jersey, Georgia, and Washington DC. Bus Trip Info: 703 - 971 - 4555 DJ's TO BE ANNOUNCED ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 FUTURE PERFECT Cleveland, OH (216) - 391 - 2345 FUTURE PERFECT Saturday, November 28 Cleveland, Ohio DJ's: Adam X Heather Heather Rob Sherwood Mike Filly DJ Smack (Chicago) The InXomniak of Unity (Detroit) (216) 391-2345 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 SKY-HIGH Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 SKY-HIGH Saturday, Nov. 28th $10 DJs: Dale Charles (San Diego), 333 McGee (London), Mayhem (Boston) 50,000 watts of sound, lights & visuals by Pandemonium! The creators of May Day, Pure & Crusade take you to a higher Strato- sphere of Awareness. Midnight til Dawn Portland, Maine Info: (207)773-6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 EXPLORER I -- Leaving the Stratosphere into the Solar System December 5th info: 212*465*3299 Orbiting DJs Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength) * Wink (Philly) * James Christian (Primal) Mr. Kleen (Gyroscopic) * Scott Richmond (Poughkeepsie) * On-E (NASA) 333 Mgee (UK) * Dave Trance (Thunderground) * Liven De Geyndt (DC) PLUS SPECIAL GUEST DJs Live Performance by INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH Recording Artist DX 13 Promotions: MelloMello * Primal Possee * Mindwarp * Atomic Vibe 333 Mgee * Eddie Van Raven Lights: Psychecyberadiant Scotto Visuals: Happy Trails Bring a toy for Toys for Tots and get a free smart drink. Tickets: $13 in advance * $15 day of and door Directions: 10 days in advance on the info line [ I hear it will be about 10 miles from NYC in Westchester somewhere - Laura ] Maps: At ticket locations and all major events Buses NYC: Aimee 211.387.8592 Poughkeepsie: Dave 914.255.8517 DC: Lieven 202.638.3272 Balt: 301.235.1131 NJ: Kurk 201.768.3024 Philly: 215.592.8481 LI: Eddie 516.435.2560 Conn: Marc 203.647.1068 Tickets NYC: Vinyl Mania 212.463.6120 NJ: Planet X 908.249.0304 DC: Music Now 202.638.3272 Balt: Modern Music 410.523.1882 Boston: Mindwarp 617.266.1987 Philly: 215.592.8481 White Plains: Specific Pacific 914.949.3103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 This is listed in _Under One Sky_ as taking place on November 28 but I heard from one of the promoters that the date is really December 12. Also, from looking at the rave flyers above, you can see that two of the usual Storm Rave suspects, Adam X and Jimmy Crash, are both spinning at other raves on the 28th. If you're dying to rave near NYC on the 28th, I suggest you go to TIME MACHINE. The X-Cubes are a great bunch, I'm sure the rave will be cool what with Micro, Dante, Jimmy Crash, and Dave Trance there! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 TRANS-NEURO CORRIDOR Southern Maine (207) - 775 - 7946 T N C R E O A U RR S O ID OR Crital Mass Peaks: Dec 12 / Detonation: Midnight Secret Southern Maine Location. Info: 2077757946 Fly the Trans-Neuro Corridor Prepare to be transported to all-night blissful existence as digital shamen JACKMASTER FLASH transmits auditory impulses to heal your soul, spiritual re-charging available at the high ernergy Smart Bar, discover your inner self in peaceful Ambience, explore parts of yourself you never knew existed. Insane Lights and Sound by: 1st Strike + Pandemonium proMOTIONS: Mindwarp - Boston Beat - Alson Beat (Boston) - Al Bum's Music Quest (Worchester) - Fast Forward Records (Providence Vinyl Mania (New York) - Planet X (New Brunswick) - Hobbles and Kaput @ UMF Radio - KATmandu - su-sEn - AIM-EEE - eQUESTrian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 "Through the mass-media, World War III is being waged upon the retina of the mind's eye. But a rapidly growing youth culture within the global village has given birth to a legion of Rainbow Warriors rebelling against the programmed ideals of a society locked within the definitions of the MTV unabridged dictionary. Armed with nothing more than the magik of a hug, a smile, some boomin' bass and a conviction that a difference can be made. This December comes a new gathering dedicated to exploration rather than exploitation... Saturday, December 26th, 1992 The Evolution Collective Proudly Presents: REVELATION Dedicated to Bio-Sphere I and the Sixth Sense Music with a message for your: Mind Body & Soul Frankie Bones Scott Henry Scott Hardkiss [Storm] [Washington, DC] [San Francisco] Keoki Micro Josh Wink [Disco 2000] [Caffeine] [Philadelphia] Dante Debo Onionz [Evolution] [Boston] [Layaway] Troy On-E Jason Jinx [Orlando] [Liquid Sky] [Solar Company] Bus, Travel, and Ticket info. New York 212.631.1179 Washington, DC 202.736.1712 Baltimore 410.783.5453 Boston & RI 617.576.9717 Philadelphia 215.602.2210 Toronto 416.524.7840 $12 admission strictly by advance sale ONLY. Tickets will be on sale until Dec. 20th. Purchase early to ensure entry, only 3,000 tickets will be sold. A portion of proceeds will be donated to Save the Planet. REVAR DESIGN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:04 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Ne-Raves Techno Club List T H E N E - R A V E S T E C H N O C L U B L I S T Techno Clubs (if you have more to add please let me know): Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard Baltimore -- Thurs. Tripotronic Groove (once a month) at Paradox (Modern Music) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Columbus -- Thurs. - Sat. 700 High Detroit -- Sat. NUDE New Jersey (Union City I think) -- Wed. The Quarry New Haven -- Sat. Bar Tune Inn New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight (dAncE EnErgY) Peace (Acid House) Insomniacs [Queens] Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] Sat. UFO Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond (215) - 592 - 8481 Pittsburgh -- Thurs. and Sun. Metropol Providence -- Sun. Club Babyhead Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Minneapolis, MN -- Wed. First Avenue Thurs. The Parameter Sun. The Saloon Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn Wed. Vault Thurs. Tracks Sat. Quorum ("Beyond", from 3am on, most Saturdays [really Sundays]) Laura laura@usl.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:03 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue nov 17 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES INDEX----------------------------------- Random Thursdays . . . FEVER Baltimore (410) - 880 - 1166 (410) - 837 - 9110 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 20 THE HOUSE OF EUPHORIA Cincinnati, OH (513) 860 - 6039 (614) 523 - 8711 (216) 348 - 4701 (313) 358 - 9882 1-800-4RAVE-LINE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 JOURNEY TO THE MILKY RAVE Baltimore, MD (410) - 563 - 7880 LOON-EE-TOONS Toronto (416) - 760 - 3232 BEYOND Washington, DC (202) - 488 - 1200 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 27 RAVIN BRAN Cleveland, OH (614) - 299 - 9529 (216) - 892 - 3373 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 TIME MACHINE New York (Long Island) EXODUS Toronto (416) - 790 - 8132 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 FUTURE PERFECT Cleveland, OH (216) - 391 - 2345 SKY-HIGH Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 TRANS-NEURO CORRIDOR Southern Maine (207) - 775 - 7946 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:47:06 -0500 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: Re: Chicago Raves > >I know this should probably be posted to mw-raves, but I'm not quite sure how >to do that. If someone could forward this there or let me know the internet >address I'd be grateful. > >I'm going to be in Chicago this weekend and I'd like to know if there are any >raves on Saturday the 28th. > >Thanks, > _________________________________________________________________________ > /^ ^\ >(=============================================================================) >| Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | >| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | >(=============================================================================) Nov.28, 1992 DELIVERANCE- delivered from the depths of Liquid Entertainment (312) 509-5022 with: DJ Lalo Rick Garcia Hector Lopez Derrick Carter Psycho Bitch Josh Werner Mark Farina Have fun! Marla. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:45:33 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: J'N'J Check out the TechnoTrax compilations. On one of them (I'm not exactly sure which because theres like 6 of them) they have the techno version of "The Phantom of the Opera". It follows the same tune, but is a more digital sounding melody and contains a faster breakbeat. It's really cool sounding. Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Re:Life is Money Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:09:48 EST Concerning the business aspects of Life, I noticed that at about 3:30 a.m. the promoters that I recognized (Debo, Mello Mello) were looking VERY glum as it became apparent that they were not going to get a full house. I guess the trip to Worcester put people off? The rave accessory concession stand also shut down very early, I guess from lack of interest. They were selling T-shirts with the most overt drug references I have ever seen (getting 'LSD & Ecstacy' from 'Arm & Hammer' was a bit of a stretch I felt...). Did the food/drink concession actually sell anything besides bottled water? I felt sorry for the two girls working there, they just sat there until 10 a.m. A couple more music notes. I was very happy to finally get to hear the Aphex Twin's remix of the Mover's 'Non-Stop Flight To Chaos'. Fantastic, as I expected. Now if only a record store in Boston had a copy for sale. Boston Beat doesn't although they do have multiple copies of the double ambient album by MR. Aphex. The final DJ of the night (was this really Dante? I was a little disappointed considering all the good things that LAura and friends have said about him...I guess the small audience diminished from his 'artistry'?) started his set with 'Film' from Skinny Puppy a very ambient/moody piece from their first album. I never thought I would hear Skinny Puppy at a feel-good rave but it was an excellent selection. Has anyone seen the Industrial Strength disc by DX-13? -Chris Teixeira "What are you going to do about your alcohol and drug problem?' [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:08 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: about the music... >Anybody with lots of new techno stuff interested in holding an ne-raves >'listening session'? :) Wow, what an idea. I've got many CD compilations I could bring. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:22:08 EST ****************************ATTENTION RAVERS!************************************ ***************************READ THIS! DO NOT THROW IT AWAY!********************** ****************************PASS IT ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!********************* HEALTHY RAVERS ARE HAPPY RAVERS. HAPPY RAVERS MAKE A GOOD VIBE. ********************************************************************************* REALITIES 1989 - ---------------- Facts excerpted from the Pulitzer Prize nominated DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA By John Robbins Full documentation of every fact in "Realities 1989" is in DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA, available from EarthSave **** **** **** Human population of United States: 243,000,000 Number of human beings who could be fed by the grain and soybeans eaten by U.S. livestock: 1,300,000,000 Sacred food of Native Americans: Corn Percentage of corn grown in United States eaten by human beings: 20 Percentage of corn grown in United States eaten by livestock: 80 Percentage of oats grown in United States eaten by livestock: 95 Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90 Percentage of carbohydrate wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 99 Percentage of dietary fibre wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 100 How frequently a child dies of starvation: Every 2 seconds Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on 1 acre of land: 20,000 Pounds of beef that can be produced on 1 acre of land: 165 Percentage of U.S. agricultural land used to produce beef: 56 Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce 1 pound of feedlot beef: 16 Pounds of protein fed to chickens to produce 1 pound of protein as chicken flesh: 5 pounds Pounds of protein fed to hogs to produce 1 pound of protein as hog flesh: 7.5 pounds Number of children who starve to death every day: 40,000 Number of pure vegetarians who can be fed on the amount of land needed to feed 1 person consuming meat-based diet: 20 Number of people who will starve to death this year: 60,000,000 Number of people who could be adequately fed by the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10%: 60,000,000 **** **** **** Historic cause of demise of many great civilizations: Topsoil depletion Percentage of original U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75 Amount of U.S. cropland lost each year to soil erosion: 4,000,000 acres, the size of Connecticut Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly associated with livestock raising: 85 Number of acres of U.S. forest which have been cleared to create cropland to produce a meat-centred diet: 260,000,000 How often an acre of U.S. trees disappears: Every 8 seconds Amount of trees spared per year by each individual who switches to pure vegetarian diet: 1 acre **** **** **** A driving force behind the destruction of the tropical rainforests: American meat habit Amount of meat imported annually by U.S. from Costa Rica,El Salvador,Guatemala, Nicaragua,Honduras and Panama: 200,000,000 pounds Amount of meat eaten by average person in Costa Rica,El Salvador,Guatemala, Nicaragua,Honduras and Panama: Less than average American housecat Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests and related habitats: 1,000/year **** **** **** Length of time the world's petroleum reserves would last if all human beings ate meat-centred diets: 13 years Length of time the world's petroleum reserves would last if all human beings are vegetarian diet: 260 years Principal reason for U.S. military intervention in Persian Gulf: Dependence on foreign oil Barrels of oil imported daily by U.S.: 6,800,000 Percentage of energy return (as food energy per fossil energy expended) of most energy efficient factory farming of meat: 34.5% Percentage of energy return (as food energy per fossil energy expended) of least energy efficient plant food: 32.8% Pounds of soybeans produced by the amount of fossil fuel needed to produce 1 pound of feedlot beef: 40 Percentage of raw materials consumed in U.S. for all purposes presently consumed to produce current meat-centred diet: 33 Percentage of raw materials consumed in U.S. for all purposes needed to produce fully vegetarian diet: 2 User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the United States: Livestock production Quantity of water used in the production of the average cow sufficient to: Float a destroyer Water needed to produce 1 pound of wheat: 25 gallons Water needed to reduce 1 pound of meat: 2,500 gallons Cost of common hamburger meat if water used by meat industry was not subsidized by U.S. taxpayers: $35/pound Current cost for pound of protein from wheat: $1.50 Current cost for pound of protein from beefsteak: $15.40 Cost for pound of protein from beefsteak if U.S. taxpayers ceased subsidizing meat industry's use of water: $89 **** **** **** Production of excrement by total U.S. human population: 12,000 pounds/second Production of excrement by U.S. livestock: 250,000 pounds/second Sewage systems in U.S. cities: Common Sewage systems in U.S. feedlots: Nil Amount of waste produced annually by U.S. livestock in confinement operations which is not recycled: 1 billion tons Relative concentration of feedlot wastes compared to raw domestic sewage: Ten to several hundred times more highly concentrated Where feedlot waste often ends up: In our water **** **** **** Number of U.S. medical schools: 125 Number of U.S. medical schools with required course in nutrition: 30 Training in nutrition received during 4 years of medical school by average U.S. physician: 2.5 hours How frequently a heart attack strikes in the U.S.: Every 25 seconds How frequently heart attack kills in U.S.: Every 45 seconds Most common cause of death in U.S.: Heart attack Risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50% Risk of death from heart attack by average American vegetarian man: 15% Risk of death from heart attack by average American pure vegetarian man: 4% Amount you reduce your risk of heart attack by reducing your consumption of meat,dairy products and eggs 10%: 9% Amount you reduce the risk of heart attack by reducing your consumption of meat,dairy products and eggs by 50%: 45% Amount you reduce your risk of heart attack by reducing your consumption of meat,dairy products and eggs by 100%: 90% Rise in blood cholesterol level from consuming 1 egg per day: 12% Rise in heart attack risk from 12% rise in blood cholesterol: 24% Meat,dairy and egg industries claim there is no reason to be concerned about your blood cholesterol as long as it is: "normal" Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is"normal": over 50% Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if you do not consume saturated fat and cholesterol: 5% Leading sources of saturated fat and cholesterol in American diets: Meat, dairy products and eggs Hollywood celebrity paid by meat board to tout beef as "Real food for real people": James Garner Medical event experienced by James Garner in April,1988: Quintuple coronary artery bypass surgery World populations with high meat intakes who do not have correspondingly high rates of colon cancer: None World populations with low meat intakes who do not have correspondingly low rates of colon cancer: None Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to women who eat meat less than once a week: 4 times higher Egg Board's advertising slogan: The incredible edible egg Photographs often accompanying the egg board's slogan: Young women in bathing suits, emphasizing the shape of their breasts Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat eggs daily compared to women who eat eggs less than once a week: 3 times higher Milk Producers original ad campaign slogan: "Everybody needs milk" What the Federal Trade Commission called the "Everybody needs milk" slogan: "False, misleading and deceptive" Milk Producer's revised campaign slogan: "Milk has something for everybody" Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat butter and cheese 3 or more times a week compared to women who eat these foods less than once a week: 3 times higher Part of female chicken's body that produces eggs: Ovaries Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week compared to women who eat eggs less than once a week: 3 times higher Foods males in U.S. are conditioned to think of as "manly": Animal products Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who consume meats,cheese,eggs and milk daily compared to men who eat these foods sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times higher **** **** **** Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to World Health Organization: 4.5% Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to Food and Nutrition Board of the U.S.D.A: 6% Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to National Research Council: 8% Percentage of calories as protein in wheat: 17% Percentage of calories as protein in broccoli: 45% Percentage of calories as protein in rice: 8% Disease linked to inadequate protein consumption: Kwashiorkor Number of cases of kwashiorkor in United States: Virtually none Diseases linked to excess protein consumption: Osteoporosis and Kidney failure Number of cases of osteoporosis and kidney failure in the United States: Tens of millions The average measurable bone loss of female meat-eaters at age 65: 35% The average measurable bone loss of female vegetarians at age 65: 18% Person who popularized the concept of protein combining: Frances Moore Lappe Frances Moore lappe's updated research on a healthy, varied vegetarian diet: Protein combining os completely unnecessary. Health status of pure vegetarians from many populations of the world according to the Food and Nutrition Board of the National Academy of Sciences: Excellent The Meat Board tells us: Today's meats are low in fat. The Meat Board shows us: A serving of beef they claim has "only 300 calories". The Meat Board doesn't tell us: The serving of beef they show us is only 3 ounces (half the size of an average serving of beef) and has been surgically defatted with a scalpel. The dairy industry tells us: Whole milk is 3.5% fat The dairy industry doesn't tell us: That 3.5% figure is based on weight, and most of the weight in milk is water The dairy industry doesn't want us to know: The amount of calories as fat in whole milk is 50% Oscar Mayer tells us: It is "myth" that hot dogs are fatty Oscar Mayer demonstrates their point by favourably comparing the fattiness of hot dogs to such low fat bastions as: Margarine, mayonnaise, salad dressing and cream cheese The Dairy Council tells us: Milk is nature's most perfect food The Dairy Council doesn't tell us: Milk is nature's food for a baby calf, who has four stomachs, will double its weight in 47 days and is destined to weigh 300 pounds within a year The Dairy Council tells children: To grow up big and strong, drink lots of milk The Dairy Council occasionally tells children: The enzyme necessary for digestion of milk is lactase The Dairy Council never tells children: 20% of caucasian children and 80% of Black children have no lactase in their intestines. The meat,dairy and egg industries tell us: Animal products constitute 2 of the "Basic 4" food groups The meat,dairy and egg industries don't tell us: There were originally 12 2official basic food groups, before these industries applied enormous political pressure on behalf of their products The meat,dairy and egg industries tell us: We are well-fed only with animal products The meat,dairy and eggs industries don't tell us: The diseases which are commonly prevented, consistently improved, and sometimes cured by low-fat vegetarian diet include: Strokes Heart disease Osteoporosis Kidney stones Breast cancer Colon cancer Prostate cancer Pancreatic cancer Ovarian cancer Cervical cancer Stomach cancer Endometrial cancer Diabetes Hypoglycaemia Kidney disease Peptic ulcers Constipation Haemorrhoids Hiatal hernias Diverticulosis Obesity Gallstones Hypertension Asthma Salmonellosis Trichinosis Irritable colon syndrome **** **** **** Chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55% Pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by Dairy products: 23% Pesticide residues in U.S. diet supplied by vegetables: 6% Pesticide residues in U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4% Pesticide residues in U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1% Percentage of U.S. mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 99% Percentage of U.S. vegetarian mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 8% Relative pesticide contamination in breast milk of meat-eating mothers compared to pesticide contamination in breast milk of vegetarian mothers: 35 times as high Percentage of male college students sterile in 1950: 0.5 Percentage of male college students sterile in 1978: 25 Sperm count of average American male compared to 30 years ago: Down 30% Principle reason for sterility and sperm count reduction in U.S. males: Chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides, including dioxin, DDT, etc Percentage of chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticide residues in American diet attributable to meats, dairy products, fish and eggs: 94% The meat Board tells us not to be concerned about the dioxin and other pesticides in today's beef because: the quantities are to small The meat board doesn't want us to know: How potent dioxin and the other pesticides are. The meat board particularly doesn't want us to know: A mere ounce of dioxin could kill 10 million people The USDA tells us: Our meat is inspected The USDA doesn't tell us: Less than 1 out of every quarter million slaughtered animals is tested for toxic chemical residues The dye used for many years by the USDA for many years to stamp meats "Choice", "Prime", or "U.S. No.1 USDA": Violet Dye No.1. Current status of Violet Dye No.1: Banned as proven carcinogen **** **** **** Wingspan of average leghorn chicken: 26 inches Space average leghorn chicken given in egg factories: 6 inches Number of 700 plus pounds pigs confined to space the size of a twin bed in typical factory farm: 3 Reason today's veal is so tender: Calves never allowed to take single step Reason today's veal is whitish-pink: Calves force fed an anaemia producing diet McDonald's brags: 60 million sold McDonald's doesn't brag about: 50 million butchered McDonald's clown, Ronald McDonald, tells children: Hamburgers grow in hamburger patches and love to be eaten McDonald's clown, Ronald McDonald,doesn't tell children: Hamburgers are ground up cows who've had their throats slit by machetes or their brains bashed in by sledgehammers Original actor to play Ronald McDonald: Jeff Juliano Diet now followed by Jeff Juliano: Vegetarian Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500,000 Occupation with highest employee turnover rate in U.S.: Slaughterhouse worker Occupation with highest employee rate of injury in U.S.: Slaughterhouse worker Cost to render an animal unconscious prior to slaughter with captive bolt pistol so that process is done humanely: 1 penny Reason given by meat industry for not utilizing captive bolt pistol: Too expensive **** **** **** Percentage of total antibiotics used in U.S. fed routinely to livestock: 55 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13 Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1988: 91 Reason: Breeding of antibiotic resistant bacteria in factory farms due to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock Effectiveness of all "wonder-drug" antibiotics: Declining rapidly Reason: reeding of antibiotics resistant bacteria in factory farms due to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock Response by entire European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: Ban Response by American meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: Full and complete support Only man to win ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott, 6 time winner Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian World record holder for 24 hour triathlon, swim 4.8 miles, cycle 185 miles,run 52.5 miles: Sixto Linares Food choices of Sixti Linares: Strict vegetarian Athlete who most totally dominated Olympic sport in track and field history: Edwin Moses,undefeated in 8 years, 400 meter hurdles Food choices of Edwin Moses: Vegetarian Other notable vegetarian athletes: * Stan Price: World record-bench press * Robert Sweetgall: World's premier ultra-distance walker * Paavo Nurmi: 20 World's records in distance running, 9 olympic medals * Bill Pickering: World record swimming english channel * Murray Rose: World records 400 and 1500 meter freestyles * Andreas Cahling: Winner Mr International body building championships * Roy Hilligan: Winner Mr America body building championships * Pierreo Verot: World's record for downhill endurance skiing * Estelle Gray and Cherly Marek: World's record for cross country tandem cycling * James and Johnathon deDonato: World's record for distance butterfly stroke swimming * Ridgely Abele: Winner of 8 national championships in Karate,including U.S. Karate Association World Championships **** **** **** For the complete documentation of all the facts contained in "Realities 1989", read DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA. Order from EarthSave for $15.70, price includes shipping. Multiple copies are available at a discount write for details. Feel free to copy and distribute "Realities 1989" . We ask only that you copy it in its entirety and that the reproduction be of good quality. You may order "Realities 1989" in quantity from EarthSave at cost: (including shipping) 25 - $12 100 - $40 500 - $190 Make check or money order payable,in U.S. funds, to EarthSave. All orders shipped bookrate, Mail to: EarthSave 706 Frederick Street Santa Cruz, CA 95062-2205 408-4230-4069 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: listening session (Re: about the music...) On Tue, 17 Nov 1992, Eric McCormick wrote: >Anybody with lots of new techno stuff interested in holding an ne-raves >'listening session'? :) i love the idea. we don't have to wait for raves to get together you know. this way, we could hear all the latest without each having to buy it all ourselves. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: about the music... Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:37:42 EST > >Anybody with lots of new techno stuff interested in holding an ne-raves > >'listening session'? :) > > Wow, what an idea. I've got many CD compilations I could bring. Having done this sort of thing before, I can tell you that you'll also want to have several tape decks on hand, because the first thing people say when they hear something they like but don't know how to get is, "Can you tape this for me?" -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:34 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re:Life is Money Chris T. said: >I guess the trip to Worcester put people off? Well, there's more to it than that. You are probably aware of the love/hate relationship people have with John Debo. Two other raves within driving distance of Boston were thrown the same night as LIFE -- on in Portland, and one in Providence. I know some people who went to Portland instead of Worcester simply because they can't stand Debo and thought that the rave would be bad merely because Debo was putting it on. I also heard that at least one of those two other raves were being thrown merely because Debo was having LIFE. Of course, all my information is rumor and hearsay, but that's what I heard. Take it for what you will. >The final DJ of the >night (was this really Dante? I was a little disappointed considering >all the good things that LAura and friends have said about him...I guess >the small audience diminished from his 'artistry'?) started his set >with 'Film' from Skinny Puppy a very ambient/moody piece from their >first album. I never thought I would hear Skinny Puppy at >a feel-good rave but it was an excellent selection. Yep, that was Dante. I was deeply grooving to that Skinny Puppy song when John wandered up to me and said "you know you're grooving to Skinny Puppy?" The last time I heard Dante spin he played some This Mortal Coil ("Firebrothers" from _Filigree & Shadow_). Dante has not seemed to be in the top form he was in when I heard him at SPUTNIK I and the September Storm Rave. I can imagine him getting depressed spinning in Massachussets to empty houses -- this is the second time I've seen it happen to him. Evan saw him the night before at an X-Cubes rave in New York, and said it was great. I'll bet there were more than 6 people left dancing when he came on, too . . . . Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ccb@macbeth.umd.edu (Blake Sobiloff) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:26:37 -0500 [In the message entitled "", on Nov 17, sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU writes:] >****************************ATTENTION RAVERS!************************************ >***************************READ THIS! DO NOT THROW IT AWAY!********************** >****************************PASS IT ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!********************* >HEALTHY RAVERS ARE HAPPY RAVERS. >HAPPY RAVERS MAKE A GOOD VIBE. >********************************************************************************* > >REALITIES 1989 >- ---------------- >Facts excerpted from the Pulitzer Prize nominated >DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA >By John Robbins >Full documentation of every fact in >"Realities 1989" is in DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA, >available from EarthSave What ever happened to people understanding the law? Commercial solicitations like this are *illegal* on the Internet. Yes, there's little chance of getting busted, but how would you like to be the one responsible for MIT getting a warning about the ne-raves mailing list violating Internet protocol? And what do you think would happen to the list shortly after that? (I won't even start to go into how much bullshit most of those abstracted facts are -- this isn't the place for it.) -- "To say someone is 'entitled' to some- | Blake Sobiloff thing is to say someone else is obli- | gated to produce in his place. It is | Laboratory for Automation Psychology the civilian version of draft-dodging | Department of Psychology and leaving the sacrifices to others." | University of Maryland -Thomas Sowell | College Park, MD 20742-4411 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:49:30 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Get OFF our List!!!! Wasn't this the rave/techno list that I subscribed to???? Get you're vegetable crap outta here. You're listing of facts are so obscure that they made me laugh. Regardless, red meat is about the best tasting stuff on earth! No little fact of 98% of this and that are dew to raising animals. And how could you possibly confuse the fact that American oil consuption is because we raise livestock? What about the 80% figure of oil burned to produce electricity? Thats not to mention all the plastic products we use that are made from oil products........I'm sorry, I shouldn't be using this net for such obstruities. Please keep this line clean of such CRAP!!!!!!! Mike TekGuru [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:14:25 -0500 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: idle and uniformed threats Did anyone else get the message from a certain "Blake Sobiloff" ragging about how ads for raves are "commercial solicitation" and ergo illegal on internet, and making veiled threats about dire consquences for MIT and ne-raves? How did this jerk get hooked up to ne-raves to begin with? And, though perhaps I should be wary of the panoptic eye of repression, does he not know that a goodly # of raves are either a) run only to raise enough money to reimburse costs and enable future raves; and b) always running on the periphery of the law anyway?? (or both . . .) Idiots like this not only clutter up the bandwidth, but end up serving the fascistic interests who would like to quash the whole f--ing rave scene and force people to work 9-5 working for the capitalistic machines. anyway, enough flaming. get this guy off the list! RP [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:31:38 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re:Life is Money >Dante >Evan saw him the night before at an X-Cubes rave in >New York, and said it was great. I'll bet there were more than 6 people >left dancing when he came on, too . . . . > yeah, when he came on there were 15-20 people dancing but considering there were about 60 people at the whole thing, that was a good turnout :) actually, it was really good, though, because there was a great vibe and there was plenty of room to groove, although dante himself didn't look the happiest... e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:13:52 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Re: Get OFF our List!!!! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] > Wasn't this the rave/techno list that I subscribed to???? Get you're > vegetable crap outta here. You're listing of facts are so obscure that > they made me laugh. [ stuff deleted ] > I'm sorry, I > shouldn't be using this net for such obstruities. Mike, Rather that flaming sscoen about his/her posting of _Realities 1989_, why don't you just write a letter to the person who wrote the book? You are entitled to your opinions. Don't kill the messenger. sscoen was only sharing something that was of interest to him/her. Maybe other people on the list find interest in it as well. And, maybe some don't. CaRoLyN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:32 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: idle and uniformed threats "uniformed" threats? Like were they wearing blue or grey? :-) Anyway, Russell wrote: >Did anyone else get the message from a certain "Blake Sobiloff" > ragging about how ads for raves are "commercial >solicitation" and ergo illegal on internet, and making veiled >threats about dire consquences for MIT and ne-raves? I got that mail. And I read it carefully. And what Blake was complaining about -- and rightfully so, to some degree -- was the posting Shannon made about vegetarianism in it. The very end of the vegetarian post had information about ordering the book from which the vegetarian statements came. In fact, Blake even QUOTED the part he felt constituted advertising. Blake's perception that ADVERTISING of the book was going on seems to me to be what he was objecting to, not the rave flyers we post. >How did this jerk get hooked up to ne-raves to begin with? The same way we all did. Either was invited by one of us, read about it in _Under One Sky_, or found out about it on alt.rave. >And, >though perhaps I should be wary of the panoptic eye of repression, >does he not know that a goodly # of raves are either a) run only >to raise enough money to reimburse costs and enable future raves; >and b) always running on the periphery of the law anyway?? Again, I have Blake's post right in front of me. He says NOTHING about raves, just about the ordering information for book that had the vegetarian quotes taken from it. >Idiots like this not only clutter up the bandwidth, but end up >serving the fascistic interests who would like to quash the whole >f--ing rave scene and force people to work 9-5 working for the >capitalistic machines. But Blake WAS NOT talking about the rave information. Please read people's posts THOROUGHLY before you flame, it will vastly increase the amount of goodwill on the list (and the net). >anyway, enough flaming. get this guy off the list! No. We are not getting anyone off the list. Let's have peace over what is really just a stupid misunderstanding. It is quite possible that as a newcomer Shannon didn't realize that what he posted about the book constituted an advertisement. Cut the guy some slack. We are ravers, you know? Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Nov 92 16:00:05 EDT From: Subject: !! RANT -N- RAVE !! I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M GOING THRU RAVE WITHDRAWALS ! I WANNA RAVE !! IS IT FRIDAY YET ?!? OH, AND YOU RAVE-ING LUNATIX SHOULD KEEP NEGATIVE POSTS TO YOURSELVES ! _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:06:12 -0500 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: Re: Get OFF our List!!!! Actually, I found it offensively a) long and b) irrelevant to the subject of this mailing list. Preaching to a captive audience is, IMHO, in very bad taste. Quote of the evening --> "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." Nina. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:15:07 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (look at me) Subject: Shannon's post Russel Wrote: >Did anyone else get the message from a certain "Blake Sobiloff" > ragging about how ads for raves are "commercial >solicitation" and ergo illegal on internet, and making veiled >threats about dire consquences for MIT and ne-raves? And then laura wrote before I had a chance to say anthing: >which the vegetarian statements came. In fact, Blake even QUOTED >the part he felt constituted advertising. Blake's perception that >ADVERTISING of the book was going on seems to me to be what he was >objecting to, not the rave flyers we post. *correct!* Russell,you sent me mail asking about this, if someone does have a concern that we are conducting business on the net, they'll have to take down quite a few more things besides us. MIT's LCS service provides students with a listing of upcoming movies, they even tell you where they are on campus and how much. this in itself is conducting business over the internet. I don't think MIT has a problem with such activities, and neither do I. If anything, I'm running the list and I'm responsible. >How did this jerk get hooked up to ne-raves to begin with? It's a free service. We don't judge anyone, and we expect everyone on the list to allow people to exist without judging them. LL>But Blake WAS NOT talking about the rave information. Please read people's LL>posts THOROUGHLY before you flame, it will vastly increase the amount of LL>goodwill on the list (and the net). I agree entirely. RP>anyway, enough flaming. get this guy off the list! LL>No. We are not getting anyone off the list. I won't remove users from the list. (Unless of course, they start bouncing) If someone performs a large number of actions that aren't in the best intrest of the list, a vote will be taken , and then the user wil be removed. In this case, forget it. Give the poor guy a chance. LL>Let's have peace over what is really just a stupid misunderstanding. LL>It is quite possible that as a newcomer Shannon didn't realize that LL>what he posted about the book constituted an advertisement. Cut LL>the guy some slack. We are ravers, you know? Agreed. -John Ne-Raves Admin,. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:15:12 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: ROTTERDAM RECORDS talking with Heather heather recently, an acquaintance of mine, Joel(DJ deadly buda, who owns Turbo Zen records in Pgh) heard from her that all the incomprehensible Dutch screaming on records like "alles naar de Kl--te" are actually neo-nazi slogans and that noone in NYC or at Storm would be playing or buying anything by Rotterdam anymore. Anyone have any more info? mike dr.slammin _______________________________________________________________________________ _ "You'll get more than that if you don't quit arguing. Now sit there quietly while I get you some clothes. And let go of that thing, for godsake! You're going to wear the skin off it." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:52:11 EST From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: New Philly Rave Co. - First Rave 11/20/92 Got this flyer in a record store in philly, also heard about it on the local radio techno show, should be good for philly area poeple. Here is the flyer: Front: Boy Blake & Nigel Richards Invite You To Celebrate the Creation of: The Horizon Group 9am - ?am 11-20-92 Taking You to a New & Improved State of Bliss Nigel Richards - bRave, D.A.P., H.E.R.E Boy Blake - bRave, D.A.P., Vagabond Katz Nari - Japan King Britt - H.E.R.E, D.A.P. STROBE - Euphoria, Pittsburg The "TRUE RAVERS" - Philly Underground Call the DEVIL-LINE for INFO: (215) 292-4666 100% Legal 100% Real Back: In a society where each person is a number and that number is a factor in a stagnant equation, there mus be refuge... a plase of bliss... tangible pleasure giving us thriving action rather than passive procedure through our precious mortal presence 11-20-92 Philadelphia 9pm-Sun Hurts -------------------------------- I'll probably be going, so if anyone from philly wants to try to meet up, let me know. uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:06:01 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: quest this past weekend. so did anyone go to quest here in providence this past weekend? how was it? i, fortunately i think, chose to trek to worcester (the long way, via chez camper) for LIFE. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ccb@macbeth.umd.edu (Blake Sobiloff) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:04:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Shannon's post [In the message entitled "Shannon's post", on Nov 17, look at me writes:] >Russel Wrote: >>Did anyone else get the message from a certain "Blake Sobiloff" >> ragging about how ads for raves are "commercial >>solicitation" and ergo illegal on internet, and making veiled >>threats about dire consquences for MIT and ne-raves? Hrumph. My points were these: 1) I *like* the ne-raves list, and I'd hate to see it taken down as a result of people who (knowingly or not) post items that will, in all probability, travel over the NSFNet and break the Fair Use code, and 2) the content of the message was tangential to raving (at best) and it was also quite long. It would have been better to say "Hey, I've got some really intersting info on vegetarianism, etc. 'ftp' to somewhere.edu and grab 'foo/bar' for all the details!" >Russell,you sent me mail asking about this, if someone does have a concern that >we are conducting business on the net, they'll have to take down quite a few >more things besides us. MIT's LCS service provides students with a listing of >upcoming movies, they even tell you where they are on campus and how much. >this in itself is conducting business over the internet. I don't think MIT has >a problem with such activities, and neither do I. If anything, I'm running the >list and I'm responsible. Actually, if my understanding of LCS is correct, it doesn't break the Fair Use code because it doesn't get broadcasted to other sites in an attempt to make a profit for yourself or your organization. Thanks to both John and Laura for their replies! -- "To say someone is 'entitled' to some- | Blake Sobiloff thing is to say someone else is obli- | gated to produce in his place. It is | Laboratory for Automation Psychology the civilian version of draft-dodging | Department of Psychology and leaving the sacrifices to others." | University of Maryland -Thomas Sowell | College Park, MD 20742-4411 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:15:10 EST From: B7V9000 Subject: Montreal Raves I love hearing about all the raves down south of the border, but does anyone know about raves going on up in Montreal? I know in Toronto there are a lot of raves, so I assume there would be quite a few here too. If they exist, they sure are hard to find out about! If anyone has any info, please post it. Thanks. *Linda* wanna-be raver in Canada [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:51:46 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: sadistics. I mean, statistics. Did you know that 63.2% of all statistics are made up? Brian Believe half of what you read, and none of what you hear..... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:05:14 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: idle and uniformed threats Um, Blake wasn't protesting against raves being advertised on the net, he was protesting against the post someone made with all those questionable statistics, where he cited the author and title. I don't think he was "advertising" it, I don't think what he did was violating any protocal, unless of course he was offering it for sale at retail price and was encouraging everyone to buy it from him.... Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Def Con 1 From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (inhuman inhuman) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:46:30 EST Sorry for returning to the subject of last weekend, but I was wondering about which DJs were spinning when. Can anyone who was there tell me who was spinning for the period around 2-3am, when there were those wacky samples like "It's alive... ALIVE!" and "I am excited!"? I liked that jaunce a LOT. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:39:54 -0500 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: Blake's advert compplaint Laura, I DID read it carefully -- although it was an exremely confusing post, and I had the disadvantage of not having seen the original post Blake was talking about (our internet connection was down for 18 hours). Fine, so Blake was complaining about the plug for a book. But certainly such a complaint could be made against a rave flyer posted to the list, since admission is charged. Or against some author on an academic list plugging her/his own book (I get plenty of mail like this). My point: whatever the "rules" of internet, it does not seem to me that little book blurbs constitute "advertisements" -- if they do, then electronic rave flyers are in trouble too. I don't think the internet policy should apply to either, and to suggest that it does and that we all ought to be more careful and say seig heil to the law more often is the kind of bs I don't care to see. Let's relax by all means -- and forget about such stuff -- but I still resent this kind of posting.... --- Russell --- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:14:45 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Subject: LIFE All right, I realize that I'm probably going to get stoned alive for saying this, but I really was somewhat disappinted with the LIFE rave. I went to NASA the previous weekend (my first all-night techno experience) and I loved it. The music was excellent, the lights spectacular, there was a chillout room where I talked to a lot of cool people. LIFE had nothing like that. The music for most of the night was a little more than a drum machine (throw the stones), and besides it was so loud it was painful. I was standing on top of the stairs and still couldn't hear my friends screaming directly into my ear. Dont't get me wrong, I LOVE loud music, especially bass, but when I feel like someone is beating me over the head with iron bars the pleasure is not easily found. The light setup was very impressive to say the least. At NASA, they put me into another dimension just with four i-beams. At LIFE, however, half of the i-beams was projecting onto a wall fifty feet up, and the other half was going through rather uninspiring repetetive exercises. There was no chillout room where people could go, hang out and listen to some trance trax. The couple people that I tried to talk with brushed me off quickly and turned back to their friends. Finally, I was talking to Debo on Friday, and was told that the shuttle from Boston and the admission will be ten dollars each. It ended up being fifteen dollars each. Cheap trick. Anyhow, I was really suprised when everyone started raving about it. (no pun intended) Could someone tell me please that other raves are more like NASA and less like LIFE. If so, please recommend which promoters are best. Thanx (if you're still awake, please respond- it's a puzzle to me why people like LIFE so much. PEACE -Peter (zE KRazY CZeK) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:39:33 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: angst for a month or so there i thought we had calmed down and all gotten friendly.. it's good to see some good ole' arguments and bandwidth wasting going on... trying to stay clear. >> taylor909 [ s q u a r e w a v e f e t i s h t e a m ] can you feel the pressure? n-joi's in the place... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:07:56 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: definition of commercial REPLY TO 11/17/92 12:01 FROM rapotter@COLBY.EDU "Russell A. Potter": idle and uniformed threats commercial, i believe is only a problem when the people posting the information are getting compensated for posting. otherwise its kosher with a capital K. i have a good idea i]m right about this, because i]m the gm of a non-com radio station near sf. peace pat To: rapotter@COLBY.EDU cc: NE-RAVES@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: LIFE why did we like LIFE so much? well, a lot of faktors play into the rave experience. it started by a really crazy and fun car trip up to boston. ed , laura and myself got lost.. but we had fun.. smiled the whole way and really n-joi-ed each other's company... when we got to boston we hooked up with john, spun some trance in his studio..hung with dave and jolthead.. and then we all headed to the loft... the whole night was really fun and just piled onto the fun we had getting up there. we woke up the next day and went into boston to shop. john got a new synth.. we got some vitamins and glow stix...and we raved ourselves silly in toys r' us ... we all just had a blast... (or was that a "cyberblast"(er)?) when we got to the rave it only ADDED to the whole weekend's experience.. and, here's why the majority of us liked LIFE so much: the music was 70% trance. the crowd was relatively small and intimate the people were all genuine "ravers". no extraneous townie folk looking for a fuck or a beer. we met more ne-ravers and other friends the space was neat...room to sit and chill..room to dance there was no attitude among anyone.. no assholes..no jerky bouncers.. .. well.. i think those are all dang good reasons.. personally, i can't really explain exactly WHY it was the best rave of my life.. (although ed seems to know something that i don't.. hee)... the group of people i was with were just all emiting this INTENSE positive vibe. there was a warm feeling of love and friendship floating around. every rave is different for everyone.. you may not like trance and hardcore as much.. if not.. then this rave's music wasn't for you... you may not have been around the vibe that we were...in fact, vibes this intense seem rare.. 'cos this is the first time i've ever felt it...some people NEED a smart bar.. this rave didn't have one.. but we made out own smart goodies..some people like an official chill out space (like NASA).. but LIFE only had a zillion chairs and tables.. which was fine by me. so, no one's gonna stone you for not loving LIFE. i'm sorry you didn't n-joi it as much as some of us.. but that's ok... i really didn't like the last storm rave very much...for a lot of reasons... try to get more out of rave that the promoters provide you with.. try to grasp a vibe...not every rave will be perfect for everyone. >> taylor808 [ s q u a r e w a v e f e t i s h i s t ] he's not a guy, he's a machine. l o c k o n t a r g e t . . . . [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:11:45 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: philly rave this friday!! > > Boy Blake & Nigel Richards > Invite You To > Celebrate the Creation of: > > The > Horizon > Group > > 9am - ?am > 11-20-92 > Taking You to a New & Improved State of Bliss > >Nigel Richards - bRave, D.A.P., H.E.R.E >Boy Blake - bRave, D.A.P., Vagabond >Katz Nari - Japan >King Britt - H.E.R.E, D.A.P. >STROBE - Euphoria, Pittsburg >The "TRUE RAVERS" - Philly Underground > >Call the DEVIL-LINE for INFO: >(215) 292-4666 > >100% Legal 100% Real > >I'll probably be going, so if anyone from philly wants to try to meet up, let >me know. > LET'S DO IT!! let's all go together and/or meet!! c'mon! i have a van and can pick up some people or whatever! we have to act quick, though, cos the week is going by REAL quick- email me back of where you think we could meet or any ideas, etc.. e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:43:46 PST From: Pat Dote Subject: deep house/ deep thoughts if anyone has any spare time... i]ve been thinking lately about the whole peace, love, good vibe thing people go on about while raving, and i was just wondering what people actually mean by that. it]s find to believe in it, that]s good, great, it helps - but what does it mean to believe in it, what are people willing to do? what other things do they believe in? how does peace, love, and the good vibe inform how people deal with their daily lives? does it mean make the extra effort to recycle, help out someone who is homeless, or is it only a weekend accepted salutation of a fad sub-culture? the 60]s might have claimed peace, love, etc... but i seem to remember reading about the bay of pigs, korea, kampuchea (sp?), laos, kennedy]s assasination, malcolm x]s assasination, segregation, martin luther king]s assasination, etc... have things between races really begun to work out, will raving assist? i thew a party last weekend with harry who? and the pirate DJs, the pirates spin the best hip-hop in the bay area, and harry spins some of the best tribal i]ve ever bobbed my head too. when we switched to hip-hop, many white ravers came up to me and said they didn]t like hip-hop and wanted more rave. when harry was spinning, many black people i knew came up to me and said i thought this was going to be hip-hop. granted, no one race owns hip-hop, or rave - but the 60]s seem to have fallen apart, in part because people didn]t know how to have fun together. there was the largely white woodstock, vs. teh soul and motown clubs and that whole big chill cross participation was dreamed up by hollywood in the 80]s. i worry the whole rave thing is like a language stuck on to itself, and not making the effort to say hey the musics wonderful, the feelings great, let]s not rely on the weekend wharehouses and sensory modification to provide it, lets go out make the rave feeling of friendship apply to abortion clinic defense, or cleaning up neighborhoods or maybe i]m missing a lot. anyway, just a few thoughts, don]t really know what to make of them either. stay in it pat To: NE-RAVES@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: LIFE Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:14:29 EST > All right, I realize that I'm probably going to get stoned alive for saying > this, but I really was somewhat disappinted with the LIFE rave. Not by me. Different strokes and all that. > Dont't get me wrong, I LOVE loud music, especially bass, but when I > feel like someone is beating me over the head with iron bars the pleasure is > not easily found. That's where the earplugs come in. I wear them to *all* shows and raves I go to any more. Not just because the sound is overpowering right then and there, but because the damage is cumulative. I was born with rather lousy vision, which continues to get worse. But, I was born with much better than normal hearing. At this point, I'd literally rather go blind than deaf. Hours of nonstop >110dB sound does not exactly help preserve what's left of my hearing. Dropping that by 25-30dB is only sensible. Plus, doing that rather than just turning the sound down preserves the magic fingers massage effect -- a body stimulus to add to the aural and visual stimuli. There's another benefit to earplugs. Because of the nonlinearity of human ear sensitivity, it's *much* easier to talk to people in high noise envi- ronments when wearing them. Makes socializing much easier. Anyway, sorry you didn't like LIFE. I know how frustrating it is to be at an event where you're not enjoying yourself, knowing there are others that same night that you'd probably like better. I guess part of what makes one like or dislike a particular rave depends upon what one likes or dislikes about all raves they attend. Many people have said that they go to raves to meet people. I have a terrible time doing that because of the noise, the lighting, and the fact that I'm terrible at remembering names. I really get embarrassed when I see some- one at a rave and I don't recognize them even though they recognize me. I don't want to make anyone feel dissed. That's why I normally do my socializing before and after raves, as well as here on the net. Those are the times I can really get to know people. Once I get to a rave, I'm in it for the vibe -- it's much more of a group thing than a collection of individual things. Even when I go someplace to chill, I usually prefer to just sit down and have a cigarette, medi- tate, or otherwise contemplate my navel. After a couple solid hours of dancing, with the attendant spiritual experiences, I'm usually not up for going into social-butterfly mode the way I might be at a pre-rave party or post-rave breakfast. Anyway, keep at it, and when you find something you like, stick with it. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:41:45 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (tired of sleeping) Subject: Re: LIFE There was a chill-out room at LIFE, it was just in the front of the theather. didn't you see it? admittingly, there weren't any other DJ's spinning in that room, but there was a chill-out room.. and yes, the music WAS too loud, and the place too cold, but it was beautiful! -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:38:17 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (strange tails, scribbled in cuneiform) Subject: *** READ THIS NOW *** ATTENTION! We're taking up way too many cycles on silver, and quite possibly could lose ne-raves if this keeps up, so here's the deal: Currently, the list is at 170 users. We get about 20 posts a day. At this rate, that's 2400 message that silver has to mail in a day. What I'm asking, is if you don't read ne-raves regularily, or if you're not finding it of use to you , is to unsubscribe. Alternately, I'd like someone to suggest a site we could move ne-raves to. - John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:56:36 EST Subject: network access test please ignore..... test.... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:45:35 EST Subject: Instinct...??? Does anybody know about the CD produced by this recording label (INSTINCT). So far I happen to have two of them: 1) Instinct Dance. (MOBY's kick ass stuff) 2) Kickin' Mental Detergent (has mind blowing stuff on it!!) What are the names other produced compilations/singles....etc.? Because, I became addicted comp #2, it is heaven for me 8). Info. is much appreciated, TAREQ ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tareq Alrashid Library Collection Services IBM / Case Western Reserve University tma@po.cwru.edu 10950 Euclid Avenue, Baker #6 (216) 368 - 3559 (VOICE) Cleveland, OH 44106-7033 (216) 368 - 8880 (FAX) ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:33:36 EST Subject: test please ignore...my mailer is hosed!!@#!@# test [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 09:48:01 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (metal bird dip wing of fire) Subject: Rave-O-Matic on FTP SAVE THIS MAIL. Rave-O-Matic will be available via FTP on media-lab.mit.edu in the directory pub/ne-raves/incoming (or if it gets moved to its own directory, it'll be there as well... I don't control the FTP site) FTP to media-lab.mit.edu, and use the command "cd pub/ne-raves" to get into our directory. it works much like unix. you can type "ls" and see what's in our FTP site. Use the command "get " to get a filename from the site. You don't need to be subscribed to ne-raves to use this facility. Rave-O-Matic on the FTP site will be updated every wednesday. I'm almost considering shoving it into my .profile file so it'll get sent when peole finger me. If all you want from ne-raves is rave-o-matic, use this service and UNSUBSCRIBE! Archives are also available on this FTP site and you can get the discussions there as well. These are updated monthly. --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: blynch@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Kemble) Subject: Re: Instinct...??? Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:07:56 -0500 (EST) > Does anybody know about the CD produced by this recording label > (INSTINCT). So far I happen to have two of them: > > 1) Instinct Dance. (MOBY's kick ass stuff) > 2) Kickin' Mental Detergent (has mind blowing stuff on it!!) > > What are the names other produced compilations/singles....etc.? Because, > I became addicted comp #2, it is heaven for me 8). I have in hand (well not while typing 8^) a comp named Rising High Techno Injection released by Instinct. It appears to be a domestic release of music on the London based Rising High label, ie good tunes at a reasonable price .. The inside of the cover also lists Instinct Dance, Kickin Detergent, the Moby album, Technosonic 2, Killer Techno, and Vicious Vinyl, apparently all available through Instinct. I have all but Moby and Vicious Vinyl and these are some of the better discs I have. Sorry for yet MORE marginally rave related discussion .. Jon [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] ** End of Ne-Raves Digest ** Ne-Raves Digest ----------------- Volume 1, Issue 6B for November 1992 This is the 2nd Half of November's digest. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: LIFE On Tue, 17 Nov 1992, john wrote: > and yes, the music WAS too loud, and the place too cold, but it was beautiful! right. there was one point when i was trying to catnap and it was freezing. i woke up and was thinking "how do i get warm? i left my jacket in the car. what can i do?" duh. so i went and danced for a while and was fine from there on. :) i figure turning down the temp is probably a good strategy to get people dancing again... mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:17:53 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I've always known when to close my eyes) Subject: Test Message, Please Ignore. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:41:41 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: Instinct...??? >Sorry for yet MORE marginally rave related discussion .. Thats alright. We're not here to just talk about how good this or that rave was. We're hear to talk about techno music in general, also. I think it's good that you were passing on info about good albums that can be bought at a reasonable price. I've seen Kickin Detergent at the local record retailer, but never considered buying it because I've never heard of it or it's contents. But, now that you informed me that it is a good domestically priced disc, I may go out and buy it. Thanks. Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:00:22 PST From: joe@Synopsys.COM (Joe Cowan) Subject: ignore: test thanks. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:17:16 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: about the music... > out on the westcoast, many djs make and sell mix tapes with a > greater currency than cd comps. they]re hardly bmi or ascap legal. > but its a start. This is another good way to hear new music. Ask around and you're bound to find someone with recent DJ tapes from people like Mayhem or Onionz. Also, here in Boston anyway, you can usually find DJ tapes at stores that cater to ravers (ie. clothing stores). Alston Beat usually has tapes for sale and Venus De Milo (techno club) sells tapes at the smart bar. There's alot of stuff out there if you look. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:17:44 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: carpe noctem t-shirts okay. here's the lowdown on those shirts i mentioned. they're being sold by jon monsarrat, a grad student here. the shirts say FRONT: CARPE NOCTEM BACK: I do more after 2 a.m. than most people do all day. they're in blue-on-black, white-on-black, and black-on-black, in medium, large and extra-large. around here Jon sells them at cost - $8. he figures no more than a few $ for postage and envelopes, so he said $11 packed and postage-paid (if you're near brown, you can come get one for $8). if you're interested, contact jon monsarrat - jgm@cs.brown.edu note: (a) i'm not involved in selling these shirts in any way. (b) jon actually sells them at slightly less than cost because he's such an enthusiastic guy. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:33:17 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Providence Techno scene I'm going to be in Providence this weekend. Are there any raves going on in the area? Good clubs. Suggestions anyone? - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:36:02 EST From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Rave-O-Matic on FTP Rave-O-Matic along with its index and club list can now be found for anonymous FTP of media.mit.edu in the directory pub/ne-raves/rave-o-matic. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:42:26 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: carpe noctem t-shirts for anyone with little or no latin (charming language): "carpe noctem" means "seize the night", a play on the saying "carpe diem" ("seize the day") as seen in, for example, dead poets society. carpe diem is associated with living for the day, making the most of life here and now and so on. all in all, i think, a pretty good saying for us ravers, mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:33:04 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Subject: Re: CD techno compilations There is a lot of them out there! And I think some have pretty good stuff. The less than one month shelf life bullshit only supports our consumption oriented society. We love to buy stuff that has built in outdate for some reason. Just because a song is couple years old doesn't mean it's not good the latest is not necessarily the best. Anyhow, if you like Belgian techno, try Technomancer (almost 80 minutes of techno at Newburry comics) Techno Sonic volume I & II are also very good. I usually take Newbury Comics' $3 off coupon (found all over the place - The Square Deal for example) and go to Tower, as they'll accept any coupons. This way, I get my CDs for $9.99 to $11.99. Another excellent compilation (I hear) is Serious Beats 6. It's got pretty recent music and while it is over $35, you get 40 tracks on it. All I can say is that situation improved a whole lot from last year when I walked into Tower Records and asked an employee where I could find some techno. He gave me a puzzled look and replied : "Is that a rock band?" PEACE -Peter (Ze KRazY CZEk) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:49:06 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Lee Weaver Subject: Re: Chicago Raves Eric, On Tue, 17 Nov 1992, You wrote: > I know this should probably be posted to mw-raves, but I'm not quite sure how > to do that. If someone could forward this there or let me know the internet > address I'd be grateful. Well, I sent it off, and the address for subscription info and future correspondence is: AJBENNETT@MIAVX1.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU adam lee weaver [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: Re: CD techno compilations Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:14:12 -0500 : the latest is not necessarily the best. Anyhow, if you like Belgian techno, : try Technomancer (almost 80 minutes of techno at Newburry comics) Techno This is one of my current favorites along with Kaos Theory 4. Although, like you said, not the latest, they are a must for your collection. Even though it's not a comp, I'd also recommend getting Prodigy's _Experience_. This disc is *fast*. : to $11.99. Another excellent compilation (I hear) is Serious Beats 6. It's : got pretty recent music and while it is over $35, you get 40 tracks on it. Any idea who's on this? Paul -- beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:32:47 EST From: Dodge the bullets or carry the gun - the choice is yours Subject: Re: CD techno compilations For you Bostonians, HMV in Harvard Square has a techno section with all their techno compilations in one place, which makes it easy to notice new ones as they come out. I don't buy CDs, so I can't say how the prices are there. The import 12" bin at Newbury Comics is good, but you have to go there often because they don't get a lot of copies of anything, and every other DJ in the city is doing the same thing... I only buy something at Tower if I can't find it anywhere else. Their money grabbing policies really piss me off. Regarding the one month shelf life. I feel that phenomenon is created by the intensity of attitude around clubs. It's the same thing that happened to house and acid house when they became "the" club music. Every producer in the world jumps on the bandwagon, and suddenly "99% of everything is crap" applies to the new musical style as it did to the ones before it. Unfortunately, club owners and club-goers insist on hearing music they haven't heard before, forcing DJs to play whatever's new, regardless of quality. When techno was new and unusual, the pieces were more thought out and DJs could pick the good stuff (which was most of it!) and add that to their mix, rather than having to play every track that comes out. There's plenty of good new techno coming out, but it's not a large percentage of the total amount of techno coming out... Paul [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:54:21 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: CD techno compilations > From fort@husc.harvard.edu Wed Nov 18 12:46:31 1992 > There is a lot of them out there! And I think some have pretty good stuff. > The less than one month shelf life bullshit only supports our consumption > oriented society. We love to buy stuff that has built in outdate for some > reason. Just because a song is couple years old doesn't mean it's not good That "<1 month BS" ain't BS if NEW music is something that's important to you. There's no underlying pompous message or "consumption oriented" reason for wanting new music. There's SO MUCH music out there being made every day that for me anyway it's ludicrist to waste my money on Comps with 3+ month old music that I've heard a billion times. It really depends on what you like. Some people are happy with CD comps and others are happy with 12" and DJ tapes. There's certainly no elitism attached to either side of this argument (I hope). It's just a matter of taste. Enjoy the music. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:01:57 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: tower (Re: CD techno compilations) well, i have to say that i, for one, have always liked shopping at tower. it's the only big chain i would ever even enter. they have enough selection that i can happily spend plenty of time just wandering around, and, it seems to me, their prices are generally good, at least on domestics. of course, i wouldn't be happy with *only* tower, but i like it. with respect to hmv in cambridge, i would say they do have a good selection, but their prices often seem high. don't they have some sort of every-other-friday techno special? is that still going? 10% off or something. realize please that these comments come from a CD buyer. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:03:55 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: CD techno compilations > : to $11.99. Another excellent compilation (I hear) is Serious Beats 6. It's > : got pretty recent music and while it is over $35, you get 40 tracks on it. > A Note about the serious beats comps (all of them). The music is generally pretty good, but the reason they can fit so many songs on the discs is because they're all shortened to about 3-3 1/2 minutes long. Just be warned that these comps are more of a showcasing of techno rather than a good comp with full versions of songs. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: tower (Re: CD techno compilations) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:29:13 -0500 From: kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU >with respect to hmv in cambridge, i would say they do have a good >selection, but their prices often seem high. don't they have some sort of >every-other-friday techno special? is that still going? 10% off or something. I don't know if this is on anymore, but HMV used to honor all coupons from any other store, and those "Square Deal" things they hand out by the T often have a $3 off coupon from Newbury Comics. In addition, they used to have an unadvertised 10% off for students. -- cmk [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: CD techno compilations Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:30:52 EST > That "<1 month BS" ain't BS if NEW music is something that's important to you. > There's no underlying pompous message or "consumption oriented" reason for > wanting new music. > [...] > It's just a matter of taste. > > Enjoy the music. Very true. I originally mentioned short shelf life in reponse to someone who didn't want to wait for music he liked to show up on a comp, presuming it would even show up at all. Sure, there is that subset of what's coming out that's going to have some staying power and accessibility to a wider crowd -- that's the stuff to get on comps (of which I own 30+ myself). But if you're playing for a critical audience, or are a critical audience member yourself, you need to be able to get at more music sooner. In a nutshell, my comps and my white labels can very peacefully coexist. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 18 Nov 92 16:37:01 EDT From: Subject: PRE-RAVER FOR RAVIN BRAN & FUTURE PERFECT Hello all you happy RAVERZ ! Me, Tareq and Sines are kicking around the idea of having a pre-RAVE party for Ravin Bran on friday nov. 27th at my house. Also, since Future Perfect is on Saturday (the next day) the idea of a full weekend RAVE party came up. Is anybody else going to theze. E-mail me ! deb@po.cwru.edu _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:50:25 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Liquid oil projections.. A few people have asked me to repost my blurb on liqid oil projections.. Here it is.. How to produce Liquid Oil projections.. ______________________________________ A widely available overhead projector may be used to project kinetic liquid projections.. :ambient effect.. Use a overhead projector with bottom lighting,preferably with a quartz-halogen lamp.Put a dimmer on the main power,and if you can,add a supplemetal fan to insure adequate ventilation.Mask off the edges of the stage,place the dishes (old glass clockfaces) on top (a small one in a larger one) and add the water and oil based dyes,usually just to the space between the two dishes. For oil dye,I use Keystone anilyne dyes, and for water,I use photo retouching colors..91% alcohol can be added to the water solutions to enable the water based liquids to become darker as they evaporate.For clear oil,of course clear mineral oil.With the colors,you'll learn less is more. Then you're ready to go, turn up the dimmer slightly and focus.Mask off the edges of the screen area,remembering to cover the edges of the screen-area as much as possible...Are your dyes ready? Then turn the overhead up and BLOB-O-RAMA!!!... Remember..easy does it... Good luck! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:05:22 EST Subject: The House of Euphoria...Nov.20.92 I need to know who is going to the rave in Cincinnati on Friday, from Cleveland, I need a ride! if not does anybody know anything bus pool going there (like SputnikII's to NYC) or not??? Please E-mail info to [ tma@po.cwru.edu ]. Thanks, TAREQ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:42:26 EST From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Raver 'til Dawn comp I was in the Tower Records out here in Philly, and I happend to notice a new box of the Rave 'Til Dawn comp. in. It looked a little different than the one I got back in the summer. (For one thing it had a warning sticker on it) Anyway, when I took a look, I noticed it no longer has O'Fortuna on it, that track is just not there anymore, all the rest are. Anyone know why? I also saw some comp. called Basic Beats, anyone know if its any good? uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram Y.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:11:16 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: So you think you can DJ? Think you can DJ? Well, here is your chance! We are going to be throwing a micro-rave at the EveCon science fiction/fantasy convention in Washington, D.C., which is held over the New Year's weekend. We are also trying to get some more "well known" DJ's, but we have many hours to fill and little money, so amateurs are welcome to volunteer (we can probably arrange a free membership to the Con). So if you're interested in trying out your DJ style on a large room full of real people, and would like to experience EveCon, one of the more bizarre things full of creative, wierd, hedonistic people you will ever encounter, email me at tedwards@wam.umd.edu. Come down a day earlier, and hit the Catastrophic New Year's Rave the night before to get inspired! -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:36:45 -0500 From: mmk3@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla M. Kammer) Subject: serious beats6, NJoi, Prodigy I have listened to Serious Beats 6, and liked about 10 of the tracks. Let me point out, though, that I am a breakbeat fan and not to keen on German-sounding hardcore. What I liked best were the trance/tribal tracks. "Fruit of Love" by Transformer 2 is one of the best songs. "Dildo" by Interactive and "Mayday Anthem" by Westbam complete the comp... On to other subjects....I heard that NJoi are playing in NYC on December 18th. Has anyone heard of any other dates or is this a one shot deal? I've seen video tapes of Matt dancing, and he is the best. That must be why almost every rave dancer has copied his style.... Also, the Prodigy is supposed to be doing a tour...Again, I've heard only about NYC. Has anybody heard anything else about the tour? The Prodigy is supposed to have a really kickin' MC and some great dancers...plus Liam is kinda cute..... MarlaK -- Make it happy... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Roy Badami Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 12:21:32 GMT Subject: Re: Liquid oil projections.. >>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:50:25 -0800, ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) said: Chris> A widely available overhead projector may be used to project Chris> kinetic liquid projections.. :ambient effect.. Use a Chris> overhead projector with bottom lighting,preferably with a Chris> quartz-halogen lamp.Put a dimmer on the main power [...] You should be aware that this isn't very good for the bulb. Running a halogen bulb at reduced brightness shortens its life, and results in metalic deposits on the inside of the bulb, reducing its brightness. -roy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Raver 'til Dawn comp Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 8:15:47 EST > I also saw some comp. called Basic Beats, anyone know if its any good? > > uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram Y.) > Basic Beats isn't too bad... it isn't techno at all, though. It has a lot of good stuff on the Hollywood Basic label, including Organized Confusion, Raw Fusion, and two hip-hop mixes of Queen tracks. This compilation came out before Hollywood re-released the Queen back catalog on CD with the remixes as bonus tracks. The Basic Beats booklet says that the Queen tracks are 'from the forthcoming album Queen: The Basic Bootlegs'. But they apparently decided to just put the remixes on the reissues as bonus tracks. The mixes I'm talking about are: "We Will Rock You (ruined by Rick Rubin)" <--a classic and "Another One Bites The Dust (long dusted b-boy version)" which is pretty good too (over 10 minutes long). Mike Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:11:37 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: new altern 8 single it's called E-MASK-U-L-8 (just kidding) :) mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 19 Nov 1992 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Raver 'til Dawn comp apotheosis, at one point got sued pretty badly for "o'fortuna". all of the copies of it were pulled from the shelves and it was taken off comps. however, i think they've straightened it out now 'cos i see it around again.. ?? >> taylor909 (riding the fine line between art and lawsuits) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:32:10 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Down for the count... I always hated when people did this, but hey, what the hell! Please UNSUBSCRIBE me from this list, as I will no longer be existent at this email address. Thanks, CaRoLyN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 19-NOV-1992 19:18:20.92 From: GCROTEAU@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: please hello- would u please be kind enough to remove my name from your list. it's been great while it lasted.thanks. gcroteau@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:08:22 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Note on EveCon Rave... The "micro-rave" at EveCon is still indefinate...it may or may not happen depending on convention programming decisions, FYI. -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: going to EUPHORIA? call/find me! Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:40:43 EST hey, if you are going to EUPHORIA in cinci tomorrow night, look for me.... todd sines: wearing a big tan/brown wool hat, BRIGHT yellow windbreaker, react candy coatings black t-shirt, tan pants, black k-swiss. i have circular glasses and short hair. i will be passing out ravin bran flyers and such. and mike brown: short curly dreadlocks, beige fresh jive (FJ incorporated) t-shirt, portable camera around neck, maybe a video camera. blue jeans, maybe. we shouldn't be that hard to find. whoever is going back up north is welcome to stop at my house (in columbus) i am right off of I-71. take the 17th st exit and go West, under railroad tracks, and i live on the right side of the street. address is 384. you will have passed the fairgrounds and i am before 4th street. please feel free to call me, it is listed below and i would like to meet as many people as possible. if i am not there, leave a message and i will call you back . leave your number -too. sines ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Max Enrique Sequeira Garza Subject: request Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:35:48 -0600 (CST) Hy there, If you happen to have a mailing list for ravers, could you please add me up? Thanks a lot! MAX e-mail: al160184@academ01.mty.itesm.mx [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:21:48 -0500 From: "Daniel A. Avery" Subject: London calling? i'm doing a semester abroad in London this spring, and i really want to check out the British club/rave scene. does anyone know of any good clubs in the London area? I hear that raves are kind of worn out in Europe...so whats the new trend? Packing My Bags DAN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 20 Nov 92 08:57:50 EDT From: Subject: ORBITAL CD...SPIRITUAL ! I just picked up the (I think self titled) ORBITAL CD. This thing is incredible !!! Nothing short of spiritual enlightenment ! I also picked up TECHNO MANCER. Awesome ! OWWWWW ! I love it ! I feel it in my BONEZ ! What else is good by ORBITAL ?! Are there any more TECHNO MANCER CD's ?! _Golden..(bouncin his ass off).._Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 12:23:30 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: request rave this weekend in providence i don't know if it was posted in the rave-0-matic, but there will be a quest rave in providence this weekend, called Request. i forgot the flyer at home, so i dont know the details. i'll try to post it later or tomorrow. (would anyone go?) -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (wow! that drink was camperific!) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:43:04 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: request rave this weekend in providence i might go if it's friday night. saturday, i'll be on my way to pittsburgh. mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Communion Tour - SLC Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 11:44:04 MST "Inside Concert Promotions" or "The Most Expensive Cover Charge Ever" When I learned that the Communion tour, with Meat Beat Manifesto, Orbital, and Ultramarine would be playing Boulder on the 17th of November, then San Francisco on the 19th of November, I realized that they would be passing right through Salt Lake City. Originally I had planned just to drive out to San Francisco and blow $300 having fun. Why do that though? Why not give it my best shot and attempt to bring them to Salt Lake City? Our mailing list was fairly powerful in bringing out people in short notice, so I figured I could at least cover my costs and have a good time as well. First I called Mute in New York, they referred me to Los Angeles, they referred me to their agent. I called the agency and the agent was out on vacation. It depended on whether or not he would return my call. The 11th rolled around and I hadn't heard anything yet. So I called Mute in LA again. They gave me the number of Tony Fletcher in New York, one of the people responsible for Communion. He was extremely enthusiastic about coming here. It surprised me how easy he was to work with, considering my past (bad) experience in attempting to bring Pigface. He referred me to the tour manager, Lane, who could iron things out for me. I called Lane at his hotel. He shared Tony's enthusiasm for coming to Salt Lake, he had been here before with Front Line Assembly and was impressed with the crowd. More talking and dealing. At this point, Lane wasn't sure if the tour was going to continue. Meat Beat Manifesto's paperwork for their visas had been lost. He told me that every congressman and senator in the state of New York was trying to push them through in time. By Friday morning he would have an answer for me. Friday morning? That wouldn't be enough time to start promoting. It was important that we got the flyers out to the mailing list by Thursday morning. So even though we didn't have anything verified, we did it anyway. It would be easier to cancel the show than promote in advance and we needed all the advance time we could get. Thursday afternoon, the tour's agent called me. MBM had received their visas, the tour was interested in playing Salt Lake City. He wanted me to make him an offer. He told me that their asking rate was $5000, he said nothing about a bonus. $5000 was our entire budget, there was no way I could guarantee anything if I had to put that all up in advance. So I faxed an offer of $3000 and 40% of net. Amazingly enough, he accepted. Saturday morning, he called back to iron out the details. It seemed that the only thing he had read on my fax was the $3000 in advance. He asked about a bonus and I told him that I said 40%, he said that they usually take 80%, I went half way with 60%. He said he would fax me the "rider" (details on what is required in sound, lights, and hospitality) and details on where to wire the $3000 advance on Monday. A deal had been struck, they were coming to Salt Lake City. They didn't have any place to play. I had hunted high and low for a decent warehouse and every time the owner wasn't interested. It came down to either putting them in a club, or not doing it at all. We investigated a warehouse/club, actually the first place I had ever DJ'd. The owners had seen fit to "renovate" the warehouse. A lot of ugly wood laticework had been put up and the dance floor was disassembled. Although they were interested at a very low rate, I felt that it wasn't an option since having the under 21 crowd would have been a problem. Finally I checked with DV8 (yes, the same name as the San Francisco club, and the same atmosphere too). DV8 had put up Front Line Assembly and had a really good show out of it. The fact that the tour manager had been there before would have been a plus. Karen, the owner was very happy to accommodate us. She even allowed us to take over the club and turn it upside down in attempt to make it appear different. I was expecting a very high rental, but amazingly enough, she asked only for the cost of the five bouncers we wanted to use. Of course, she was probably going to take in a lot on the upstairs 21+ bar. I received the "rider". Holy commoly. Was I really expected to provide all this? On Monday, after arranging our sound ($800) and our lights ($500), I arranged the catering. This is everything they wanted in the way of food: "Various sliced vegetables for sandwiches (tomatoes, lettuce, cucumbers, bean/alfalfa sprouts, etc.). Two large packages of cold, firm tofu, herb tofu if available. Assorted sliced cheeses (mozzarella, cheddar, Soya mozzarella), Six sliced loaves 100% Whole Wheat or Multigrain bread (no white bread). One jar crunchy Peanut Butter. Green Relish, Mayonnaise (eggless), Margarine, Hummus, Ketchup for spreads. One four slice toaster (don't worry, we won't take it). Salt, Pepper, Knives, Forks, Spoons, Plates, Napkins. 2 Large bags Sun Chips. 2 Large bags Ruffles Potato Chips (Salt and Vinegar and/or Barbecue). 2 Large bags Blue Corn chips with vegetable based salsa. 2 Large boxes Plain Ritz Crackers. Assorted nuts, both salted and unsalted. Assorted whole fruit (bananas, strawberries, apples, oranges, watermelon, etc.) 6 litres Fresh Squeeze Orange Juice. 2 litres V8 Juice. 1 litre Tomato Juice. 2 litres Apple Juice. 1 litre Carrot Juice. 2 litres Soya Milk (Vanilla and/or Plain). 6 litres Evian Non-Carbonated Water. 4 litres Carbonated Water. Assorted Pop. Many, many cups and ice. One Sharpie Marker. One copy current Yellow pages. One copy USA Today." Wait, that doesn't include dinner: "Remember the number? Yes, there are nineteen of us. You are welcome to attempt to cook for us, more power to you, but be forewarned that there are vegetarians of varying degrees who whine and complain all day. If you wish to make someone cook for this unforgiving bunch, the meal breakdown is as follows: 4 vegan (no meat, fish, chicken, egg, dairy, cheese, or any other animal product whatsoever) 8 vegetarian (no meat, fish, chicken), 7 meat eaters (no explanation needed). The meals must include a main course and a salad with a selection of dressings. Upon advance by Lane we will go over this in detail. Should the thought of cooking this bee too much for you, I know it would be for me, we can be bought. For $10 per member ($190 in tens, please) and directions to a couple of decent restaurants (like maybe the nearest Indian, Thai, Chinese, and Italian restaurants) we will be out of your hair for awhile, at least. Please have the buy-out available before dinner." But wait! This is an awfully thirsty bunch: "To be put _on_ice_ in the dressing rooms(s) moments before the doors open: 2x24 Imported Lager (Becks, Heineken, etc.). 1x24 Local Beer (surprise us, but remember that Bud, Miller, Coors, etc., do not count as "local"). 1x6 Non alcoholic beer. 2 - 750ml bottles decent quality Medium White Wine. 2 - 750ml bottles decent quality Sweet Red Wine. 1 - 750ml bottle Champagne. 2 - 26oz bottles Vodka. 1 - 26oz bottles Tequila. 1 - 26oz bottle Scotch. 1x24 Pepsi/Root Beer/Dr. Pepper (no Coke please). 1x6 Diet Coke. 1 - bottle lime juice. 15 - one litre bottles Evian water. 5 - one litre bottles carbonated water. 20 clean white towels." This was the first time I was thanking God for the Utah liquor laws. By law, we could only provide them with the beer and the non-alcoholic drinks. We decided to cover the rest, we'd give them bar vouchers. As for the FOOD, I called a local health food store and had them cater everything. Rather than buying them out, I decided it would be better to have dinner ready for them. Not only could I get a bigger and better dinner for $190, but it would save them a lot of time. The entire meal was vegan, so there wouldn't be any problems with the food. Vegan lasagne, wheat-meat chicken stroganof, two salads, and a vegetable soup. Tuesday night, a friend on public radio did a special show for the concert. He played an hour of Meat Beat Manifesto, then some tracks off the Orbital album. He said that anyone could call in for details on the concert. Unfortunately, most of the night, his telephone was off the hook (he didn't know). Once he put it back on, it was rather late. Wednesday morning rolled around. John and I arrived when to pick up our two truckloads of lights then got to the club. John got busy covering and hiding the radio and club logos, while I started hanging lights. The sound was supposed to show up at 10:00. By 10:30 nothing had arrived. I called them and found out that they thought it was on Thursday. They said they would be there within an hour. At 12:30, the catering was supposed to show up with the "snacks". At 1:00 I called them, they thought it was supposed to be Thursday. Am I going INSANE? I looked at the invoice for catering, "Wednesday, the 19th." Well, half way right. The woman in charge apologized profusely and managed to get together everything within two hours. One hour after the tour bus and U-Haul arrived. When they did arrive, I had one loader and myself to do the work. Everyone else had gone to run errands. So myself, the loader, the roadies, Ultramarine, and Orbital moved all the equipment into the club. By the time we were finished, everyone had returned. The crew's lighting techs were busy hanging the remainder of the lights, while everyone involved with sound did the checks. I had virtually NOTHING to do with the sound all night long. It was a big relief. My major mistake was not hiring the lighting tech to do the lights, I figured I could do it myself and save myself money. This turned into a nightmare, then a blessing in disguise. First the tech had to come down and rig up the power since the cords to the amps were too short, and I had no idea how the jack into the house's power bank (this isn't a simple plug). That cost $100. Once we had all the lights going to the dimmer pack, NOTHING WORKED. Turned out that the tech had wired things backwards. So we had to take the house power down (everyone had to save everything on their synthesizers, NO TAPES WERE USED), then as soon as we got the go ahead from the sound crew, we took the power down. When things got rewired, it came back up, but still the lights barely worked. We had about two working channels rather than the 12 we were supposed to have. So we went with the strobes, and the three effect lights that we had rented, as well as whatever house lights we could use. This was finally solidified minutes before the doors opened. There were ten people waiting outside. I could hardly believe it. I was throwing the best concert this state had seen all year and there were ten people waiting outside. The previous night, Dead or Alive had lip-synched in another club to a DAT tape. The tape had broken in the middle of the performance. People demanded their money back. Instead of giving all of their money back, they gave back half and a voucher for free admission on Wednesday. The saps took it! We had people go down to the other club and they were lined up around the block. Several people told them that they would rather go to our concert, but unfortunately they had already bought tickets for DoA. Dave Kendall was a rather nice unassuming person. I didn't get to talk to him much, but he made himself busy by hanging various pieces of art around the club. He ran errands by himself and did a decent job MC'ing the show. His DJ set left a lot to be desired, but it was better than the majority of radio DJs around here. He kicked off the show before Ultramarine took the stage. Ultramarine played a killer set. I only got to see bits and pieces because I was running around making sure everyone had eaten, had drinks, and whatever. I got to talk to the Hartnolls quite a bit during this time. Phil asked me how I did the live computer video. Both of them were very impressed with it. After explaining it, I was floored to find Phil asking me for my "details." I thought he wanted details on how to get the equipment, but what he really wanted was my address to stay in touch. I also gave them Vidar's discography and they made a lot of changes and additions to it. When I mentioned that it was extremely difficult to get their singles, they told me that THEY didn't even have them all. The record company had never sent them any and they couldn't find them anywhere. Of course, who needs them, when you've got the original sequences :-)? Jack Dangers looked over Jon Drukman's discography and laughed at the fact that Jon had even put in the writing on the run-out groove. He mentioned that one of their 12"'s had no run-out groove at all. The needle would just hit the label. The only addition he had for the list was the "Space Children" release. I'd never heard of this, but he said it was a name that he had done by himself. No other details were offered. He said the discography was extremely accurate. When I asked about what remixes he had done, Jack just laughed and said something to the effect that there were more than he could remember. Everyone involved with the tour was extremely _nice_. They were all aware that it was our first gig and they helped us out a lot. Everyone signed all of their releases I had brought. Ultramarine said that it was the first time anyone had asked for their autographs. Orbital played their set in the middle of the audience. They both came out with glasses with flash lights on the sides. It made their bald heads both look quite alien. Their synthesizer racks caged them in while they keyed off a terrific set. The only problem is that most people didn't realize they were on. Someone came up to me later and asked when Orbital was supposed to play. I told them that they already had and pointed at the cage. It left me frothing at the mouth, and even though I knew I had lost a lot of money that night, having Orbital there was worth it. I would have never dreamed that I would have gotten to this position by the end of the year. Meat Beat Manifesto ripped out a great set. Jack rapped off smoothly while diddling with the sequencer. Amazingly enough, the lights we had working were really really good. There was a flower scan that was sound operated, but seemed to act as if it was operated by a human. On the songs that it was on, it always ended up shining down upon Johnnie in perfect form. No bands did encores. I don't think they did them anywhere. Dave Kendall jumped on the stage and thanked everyone for coming. Tony Fletcher wanted me to finish the set, but I needed to setup my equipment. Everyone was too busy taking things down to give me a connect, so Tony apologized for it, despite Kendall announcing the fact that XDZebra would be playing next. I told Tony not to worry about it, but to remember me when I came to New York next. He looked incredulous and said, "Pete did you really think I'd forget you?" When I was cleaning up, I found Phil Hartnoll staring at me while I was taking down our "Taste" t-shirts. "Pete, could I have one of your shirts?" I think that was the most memorable part of the night. I gave him two (of course) and he got us Orbital shirts. Phil joked that him and Paul would wear them whenever they had their picture taken, but I was just happy to know that this band that I held in such high regard would remember me as a friend, and not as a fan. Despite our inexperience, the crew and bands had a great time. The tour promoter told me that he would recommend us to anyone and everyone. He said that there were a lot of jerks out there and we were one of the few cool capable people. He said that lots of people would be glad that there was someone in Salt Lake that they could deal with. As I was helping the sound engineer load stuff on the elevator, he said he would recommend us around England. He stated that Sheep on Drugs were going to start a tour and they played for almost nothing for a great show. He said he'd get us in contact with them. When all was totaled up, I had lost $2500 on the night. Short time of promotion, a Wednesday night, and Dead or Alive lip-synching four blocks down had contributed to the factors. What was even more depressing was when I arrived home at 5:30 from packing and cleaning up the club, someone had left a really mean message on our voice mail. He told me, in between obscenities, that we didn't know how to throw a rave and we shouldn't be throwing raves in public places. He said we should "fucking get our fucking act together in the future." He recommended that we should check out the "scene where it is happening in San Francisco and other places." This same person had been outside the club arguing with one of the bouncers. Him and ten people refused to pay the $15 to see the show because it wasn't underground enough. I never made any pretense of it being a rave. On the hotline I had clearly stated that it was our first "concert." I wish it could have been a rave, but it would have had to have been on a weekend and the bands certainly would have had to have more time. They were stretching things as it was by going to 1:00AM. On top of that, I had completely shafted the "modern music" station. Although they had wanted to get in on it, I tried to keep it as underground as I could. We didn't even put anything on the club's marquee. I guess I need a little tougher skin when assholes show up, but it still hurt a lot. The light company ended up giving us everything for free. They stated that it was their fault that things hadn't worked. Even though I felt that what we had working was better than adequate, I wasn't going to turn down $500. This did bring the $2500 loss down to $2000. I was able to get a low interest loan from my bank to pay that off. I'm not discouraged at all about the future. Give me a weekend, a decent band, and plenty of time and I'll rip a hole in the other promoters here. John and I both decided that we would try to do more and more simpler, smaller raves, rather than growing bigger and bigger each time. If we did a concert seperate from a rave, we would go all out on advertising and make sure that everyone knows. The club owner was completely nice to us, and has a basement we might be able to use as well. So we're down, but not dead. A lot of contacts were made as well as some really good friendships. All in all, I'm still glad I did it. Orbital and Meat Beat said they would return next year and there's only one person they'll work with, me. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: new altern 8 single Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 12:49:47 MST > it's called E-MASK-U-L-8 > (just kidding) :) When is the MASTURB-8 single coming out? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:04:04 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: new altern 8 single >> it's called E-MASK-U-L-8 >> (just kidding) :) > >When is the MASTURB-8 single coming out? > do E-JAC-U-L-8 and FORNIC-8 follow? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:28:59 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: new altern 8 single > > it's called E-MASK-U-L-8 > > (just kidding) :) > > When is the MASTURB-8 single coming out? Right before their Christmas song "E JACK YULE 8". :-) Sorry, it's those big orange pills the doctor prescribed... -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:52:05 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: new altern 8 single On Fri, 20 Nov 1992, Pete Ashdown wrote: > > it's called E-MASK-U-L-8 > > (just kidding) :) > > When is the MASTURB-8 single coming out? i think it's the b-side to DIS-COM-BOB-U-L-8. we could go on like this for days... (doesn't INXS have a whole song of words ending in ATE?) m ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:32 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue nov 17 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Random Thursdays . . . FEVER Baltimore (410) - 880 - 1166 (410) - 837 - 9110 Charles Fields and Scott Henry prsent F E V E R Grand Opening -- Thursday, November 19, 1992 -- 10 pm to 5 am $6 admission w/this flier, $8 w/o smart bar by _think smart_ 21 & over B.Y.O.B. Promos: LG, d-CORE, Nelson Hiltner, Jerome Aviance & Guy Smiley Performance by the House of Aviance 3 rooms of music TRIBAL Jerome Hicks (Sat. night Paradox) Keith Miller (from DC) Tom T. (Quorum, DC) TECHNO Frankie Bones (Rave Innovator) Scott Henry (Catastrophic, DC & Orbit) Micro (Caffeine, Long island) CHILL OUT Dante (Evolution, NYC) LG, Bobble & Wash (Atomic Vibe) 410.880.1166 or 410.837.9110 1310 Russell Street, Baltimore Directions: Take Greene Street toward Camden Yards, past the stadium. After the first traffic light, take the ramp onto Russell Street (in front of the Staples bldg.), follow Russell Street 2 blocks, left onto W. Ostend Street. Fever is in the white bldg on the right. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Look for upcoming fliers at these stores: music now, 12" dance records, modern music, oh! susanna, dreamland, stikky fingers, urban outfitters, betsey johnson, muclear kiss & commander salamnder ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 20 THE HOUSE OF EUPHORIA Cincinnati, OH (513) 860 - 6039 (614) 523 - 8711 (216) 348 - 4701 (313) 358 - 9882 1-800-4RAVE-LINE Thome Tomato, the man that brought you RAVEONE, now takes you to... the HOUSE of EUPHORIA with a live performance by MOBY Friday November 20, MCMXCII Spinning in the house: From LA DJ Doc Martin [of the LA Underground] Detroit Richie Rich New York Keoki Toledo DJ Boomer Cleveland Rob Sherwood Columbus Kevy Kev Cincinnati DJ Daisy 6 Watt Laser by Retina Fry to X-Pand your sight... Lighting by Scotto... 12x12 Sega Genesis Video Wall starring Sonic the Hedgehog Loops by Ecstacy Effects ...Special Thanx to Everyone in the Midwest Scene... Ticket & Location information: Cincinnati 513.860-6039 Columbus 614.523-8711 Cleveland 216.348-4701 Detroit 313.358-9882 New York 1-800-4RAVE-LINE Sponsored by ACT UP, PROJECT X, VOOM, BANG-instant RAVE GEAR, WIZARD RECORDS, PLUS 8 RECORDS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 JOURNEY TO THE MILKY RAVE Baltimore, MD (410) - 563 - 7880 Ultraworld Xcursion presents: J o u r n e y t o t h e M i l k y R a v e Saturday, November 21, 1992 Baltimore, MD Djs Scott Henry - Baltimore Jason Jinx - NYC Josh Wink - Philly Neuromancer - DC Bobble - Baltimore Proctile - DC Sun - Annapolis Boarding Passes Available at Modern Music Baltimore (410) 523-1882 Music Now Washington (202) 638-3272 $10 in Advance, $13 at the door Smart drinks by Neuro Energy Raveware by nuclear Kiss, Lucid V Experience Moon Dancing in the Gyrobix Anti-Gravity Simulator Zap out with Syncro Energize's Virtual Reality Ultraworld Xcursions Rave line: (410) 563-7880 [Note: The 1st Ultraworld was very good. These promoters can do a rave. - Rob] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 LOON-EE-TOONS Toronto (416) - 760 - 3232 PLEASURE FORCE AND SPG MUSIC PRESENTS LOON-EE-TOONS SATURDAY NOV 21 IN TORONTO PLEASURE LINE 416-760-3232 MEETING POINT UNION STATION FREE TRANSPORT TO VENUE AND BACK LIVE PA'S: NRG perf. "He Never Lost his Hardcore", etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 BEYOND Washington, DC (202) - 488 - 1200 This came in from Eric: Quorum in Washington DC (right around the corner from Tracks) has an after- hours Techno party called Beyond from 3am till about 8am on Saturday nights (actually Sunday morning.) Club: Quorum Address: 56 L Street SE Washington, DC Phone: (202) 488-1200 Party: Beyond Days: Saturday Night(Sunday Morning) 3am - 8am Quorum is a gay bar, but the party is alot of fun and the crowd is very mixed. I've met alot of people from NY and along the E Coast there. The DJs are good and they play some great Trance stuff. I would advise calling in advance to definately make sure that Beyond is being hosted. I believe one night a month it is something else. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 21 Nashville, TN I heard on alt.rave that there will be a rave in Nashville on this day. Moby will be performing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 27 RAVIN BRAN Cleveland, OH (614) - 299 - 9529 (216) - 892 - 3373 ravin bran 27 nov 92 11pm-6am? all ages $5 (21+) $7 (21-) TRIPle bangin live acts...quadruple fresh dj's on the cuts...delivering the ruffest beats in the midwest. basslines to move your mind on thanksgiving weekend ***more midwest DJ's to come....(dj EZ cheez..plus more) LIVE IN CLEVELAND!!! PA's theory collapse--columbus furious hardcore orgaz--akron's finest hyper techno body release--columbus krushin breakbeat DJ's rob sherwood--cleveland mike filly--cleveland dieselBoy--pittsburgh ian mariano--akron guest hosts: house of face the underground posse mak diva--go-go leeann * georgette promotions: conception/promotion: mel ske dred promotional assistance: robert divine & johnny mac INFOLINE: columbus 614.299.9529 cleveland 216.892.3373 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 TIME MACHINE New York (Long Island) "x-cubed invites you to TIME MACHINE, a retrospective in techno. dave trance dante DJS micro jimmy crash sat. nov. 28 10 pm til ??? directions: southern state parkway to exit 35. go north to 1st light. make right (edison rd). make left onto lamar st. #48 lamar on left side. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 EXODUS Toronto (416) - 790 - 8132 MAJOR RAVE ANNOUNCEMENT EXODUS PRODUCTIONS proudly presents SHUT UP AND DANCE and PETER BOUNCER LIVE!! In their first ever North American Appearance Plus surprise openning act (all acts confirmed) Saturday November 28, 1992 in Toronto, Canada Exodus Event Line 416-790-8132 Location: 888 Yonge Street No meeting point - no bollox. Tickets 15 advance, 20 at door ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 Catastrophic's Q U A K E R R A V E 100 % Natural 12 HOURS 10PM TO 10AM Thanksgiving Weekend -- Saturday, November 28th $15.00 cover Catastrophic East Coast Gathering New York, Philadelphia, Boston, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Baltimore, RI, Wisconsin, New Jersey, Georgia, and Washington DC. Bus Trip Info: 703 - 971 - 4555 DJ's TO BE ANNOUNCED ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 FUTURE PERFECT Cleveland, OH (216) - 391 - 2345 FUTURE PERFECT Saturday, November 28 Cleveland, Ohio DJ's: Adam X Heather Heather Rob Sherwood Mike Filly DJ Smack (Chicago) The InXomniak of Unity (Detroit) (216) 391-2345 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 SKY-HIGH Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 SKY-HIGH Saturday, Nov. 28th $10 DJs: Dale Charles (San Diego), 333 McGee (London), Mayhem (Boston) 50,000 watts of sound, lights & visuals by Pandemonium! The creators of May Day, Pure & Crusade take you to a higher Strato- sphere of Awareness. Midnight til Dawn Portland, Maine Info: (207)773-6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 EXPLORER I -- Leaving the Stratosphere into the Solar System December 5th info: 212*465*3299 Orbiting DJs Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength) * Wink (Philly) * James Christian (Primal) Mr. Kleen (Gyroscopic) * Scott Richmond (Poughkeepsie) * On-E (NASA) 333 Mgee (UK) * Dave Trance (Thunderground) * Liven De Geyndt (DC) PLUS SPECIAL GUEST DJs Live Performance by INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH Recording Artist DX 13 Promotions: MelloMello * Primal Possee * Mindwarp * Atomic Vibe 333 Mgee * Eddie Van Raven Lights: Psychecyberadiant Scotto Visuals: Happy Trails Bring a toy for Toys for Tots and get a free smart drink. Tickets: $13 in advance * $15 day of and door Directions: 10 days in advance on the info line [ I hear it will be about 10 miles from NYC in Westchester somewhere - Laura ] Maps: At ticket locations and all major events Buses NYC: Aimee 211.387.8592 Poughkeepsie: Dave 914.255.8517 DC: Lieven 202.638.3272 Balt: 301.235.1131 NJ: Kurk 201.768.3024 Philly: 215.592.8481 LI: Eddie 516.435.2560 Conn: Marc 203.647.1068 Tickets NYC: Vinyl Mania 212.463.6120 NJ: Planet X 908.249.0304 DC: Music Now 202.638.3272 Balt: Modern Music 410.523.1882 Boston: Mindwarp 617.266.1987 Philly: 215.592.8481 White Plains: Specific Pacific 914.949.3103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 This is listed in _Under One Sky_ as taking place on November 28 but I heard from one of the promoters that the date is really December 12. Also, from looking at the rave flyers above, you can see that two of the usual Storm Rave suspects, Adam X and Jimmy Crash, are both spinning at other raves on the 28th. If you're dying to rave near NYC on the 28th, I suggest you go to TIME MACHINE. The X-Cubes are a great bunch, I'm sure the rave will be cool what with Micro, Dante, Jimmy Crash, and Dave Trance there! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 TRANS-NEURO CORRIDOR Southern Maine (207) - 775 - 7946 T N C R E O A U RR S O ID OR Crital Mass Peaks: Dec 12 / Detonation: Midnight Secret Southern Maine Location. Info: 2077757946 Fly the Trans-Neuro Corridor Prepare to be transported to all-night blissful existence as digital shamen JACKMASTER FLASH transmits auditory impulses to heal your soul, spiritual re-charging available at the high ernergy Smart Bar, discover your inner self in peaceful Ambience, explore parts of yourself you never knew existed. Insane Lights and Sound by: 1st Strike + Pandemonium proMOTIONS: Mindwarp - Boston Beat - Alson Beat (Boston) - Al Bum's Music Quest (Worchester) - Fast Forward Records (Providence Vinyl Mania (New York) - Planet X (New Brunswick) - Hobbles and Kaput @ UMF Radio - KATmandu - su-sEn - AIM-EEE - eQUESTrian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 "Through the mass-media, World War III is being waged upon the retina of the mind's eye. But a rapidly growing youth culture within the global village has given birth to a legion of Rainbow Warriors rebelling against the programmed ideals of a society locked within the definitions of the MTV unabridged dictionary. Armed with nothing more than the magik of a hug, a smile, some boomin' bass and a conviction that a difference can be made. This December comes a new gathering dedicated to exploration rather than exploitation... Saturday, December 26th, 1992 The Evolution Collective Proudly Presents: REVELATION Dedicated to Bio-Sphere I and the Sixth Sense Music with a message for your: Mind Body & Soul Frankie Bones Scott Henry Scott Hardkiss [Storm] [Washington, DC] [San Francisco] Keoki Micro Josh Wink [Disco 2000] [Caffeine] [Philadelphia] Dante Debo Onionz [Evolution] [Boston] [Layaway] Troy On-E Jason Jinx [Orlando] [Liquid Sky] [Solar Company] Bus, Travel, and Ticket info. New York 212.631.1179 Washington, DC 202.736.1712 Baltimore 410.783.5453 Boston & RI 617.576.9717 Philadelphia 215.602.2210 Toronto 416.524.7840 $12 admission strictly by advance sale ONLY. Tickets will be on sale until Dec. 20th. Purchase early to ensure entry, only 3,000 tickets will be sold. A portion of proceeds will be donated to Save the Planet. REVAR DESIGN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:55:15 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: INXS vs. Altern 8 HAL-U-SIN-8 D-SEG-RE-G8 ME-D-8 A-LEE-V-8 TRI NOT 2 H8 LUV UR M8 DONT SUF-O-C8 ON UR OWN H8 DES-IG-N8 UR LUV AS F8 A 1-WRLD ST8 S HUE-MAN FR8 THE NUMB-ER 8 A WITE-BLAK ST8 A GEN-TL TR8 THE BRO-KN CR8 A HE-VIEEW8 R JUS 2 L8 LIKE PRE-TEE K8 HAV SEX ORN8 NOW DEV-A-ST8 A-PRE-SHE-8 DE-PRE-SHE-8 FAB-RI-C8 M-U-L8 THE TRUTH DI-L8 SPE-SHALL D8 THE N-E-MAL WE 8 GUILT D-B8 THE EDG SER-8 A B-TER R8 THE UTH I-R8 D-LIB-R-8 FA-SIN-8 D-V-8 RE-N-ST8 LIB-R-8 2 MOD-R-8 RE-KRE-8 OR D-TON-8 N-I-L-8 A-2-MIC F8 ME-D-8 KLEER THE ST8 ACT-E-V8 NOW RAD-E-8 A PUR-FEKT ST8 FOON N PL8 GRAV-E-T8 THE RTHS OWN W8 DES-IG-N8 UR LUV AS F8 AT 98 WE AL RO-T8 LIB-R-8 LIB-R-8 LIB-R-8 (sax solo) Saturday, November 21 JOURNEY TO THE MILKY RAVE Baltimore, MD (410) - 563 - 7880 LOON-EE-TOONS Toronto (416) - 760 - 3232 BEYOND Washington, DC (202) - 488 - 1200 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 27 RAVIN BRAN Cleveland, OH (614) - 299 - 9529 (216) - 892 - 3373 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 TIME MACHINE New York (Long Island) EXODUS Toronto (416) - 790 - 8132 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 FUTURE PERFECT Cleveland, OH (216) - 391 - 2345 SKY-HIGH Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 TRANS-NEURO CORRIDOR Southern Maine (207) - 775 - 7946 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:32 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Ne-Raves Techno Club List T H E N E - R A V E S T E C H N O C L U B L I S T Techno Clubs (if you have more to add please let me know): Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard Baltimore -- Thurs. Tripotronic Groove (once a month) at Paradox (Modern Music) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Columbus -- Thurs. - Sat. 700 High Detroit -- Sat. NUDE New Jersey (Union City I think) -- Wed. The Quarry New Haven -- Sat. Bar Tune Inn New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight (dAncE EnErgY) Peace (Acid House) Insomniacs [Queens] Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] Sat. UFO Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond (215) - 592 - 8481 Pittsburgh -- Thurs. and Sun. Metropol Providence -- Sun. Club Babyhead Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Minneapolis, MN -- Wed. First Avenue Thurs. The Parameter Sun. The Saloon Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn Wed. Vault Thurs. Tracks Sat. Quorum ("Beyond", from 3am on, most Saturdays [really Sundays]) Laura laura@usl.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: request rave this weekend in providence Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:09:34 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU please let me know the info... I'd probably want to know---and you could probably get a ride if you wanted one---just let me know--please please please i'm so addicted now i can't help myself (after life..................( -John (the MITling) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 13:29:14 -0500 From: jna@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Anyone out there? It seems that ne-raves activity has dropped to nothingness... We're not deald. We've fixed the problems and we're stll running... --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 13:47:50 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu Subject: Detroit weekly rave I just found out about this through mw-raves mailing list. I called the number 313.433.2129 and here's the dope: Every Saturday night 2am-? VOOM hosts a rave at 2948 woodward in the Bankle building in downtown detroit. They don't list DJs, so go at your own risk. - fred wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 13:49:45 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu Subject: Re: Anyone out there? did you change the host machine? - fred wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 13:55:14 -0500 From: jna@gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: Anyone out there? The Host machine for ne-raves has changesd from SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU to GNU.AI.MIT.EDU, but there is an alias on silver to move the messages from silver to GNU if you make a mistake. sorry for the inconvience. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:01:12 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: Re: about the music... As you said there is just an incredible amount of techno being released now. And usually what was released 6 months ago is already forgotten. Does this mean that techno is disposible music? I mean arn't there some songs that actually have some lasting musical value? I (personally ) can't see people listening to hardcore in 20 years from now, but some of the more musical stuff I can. Is this what happened with house music? Are there thousands of forgotten house records that just ended up shoved to the back of some DJs record crate or closet? Will there always be disposible music? oh well...see you all at milky rave tonight...I'll be wearing my ne-raves badge (that I'm so proud of...) silicon dreams and cybernetic serendipity, digital druid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 21 Nov 1992 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: hello. yeah, things have been dead! i'm still here... ne-raves is still alive! wake up ravers! it's gonna be a fine day tomorrow! >>taylor.808.dream.state [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:37:07 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: last nite at the "yard" hey everybody- 'member how we were complaining about the freight yard in allentown being so desolate a little while ago? well, last night we had 258 people in there. my friend's techno band, tri angel, played there to a good crowd (except the moron doing lights, who has no clue, wouldn't turn on the floor lights during tri angel- only the stage lights). dj MARS was in rare form last night, throwing on good trax after trax, keepin us all grooving far into the night- but not far enough, as before we knew it it was 2 am and they closed- BUMMER! but the vibe was good, and it _almost_ felt like a rave. the thing that puzzles me is that we really didn't do anything different- we were going to start playing "alternative/industrial" but not one was played and everyone was still dancing whilst test, xenophobia, acen, and others were played... anytime any of you want to come up, we'll provide free admission and a place to crash! e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:38:21 -0500 From: Digital Druid SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 1992 10PM-SUNRISE Atomic Vibe invites you to celebrate the joy of unity. The dawning of a New Age in the underground experience. Smile, dance, laugh & rejoice in the sounds of ... H A P P I N E S S Atomic Vibe DJ's : Micro-Chip, Bobble, Wash & LG Guest DJ's: Scott Henry (fever and catastrophic DC) Dante (evolution NYC) Onionz (Caffeine) NYC 18 and Over w/Valid ID $8 in advnace (starting 12/10) $10 at the Door BYOB - no glass Smart bar by Neuro Energy Promotion by LG & D-Core Tickets/Directions available at: Modern Music, Balto. 410.523.1882 Music Now, DC : 202.638.3272 Atomic Vibe Info Line, Happy Beats For Your Feets : 410.235.1131 **note, this will be a rave almost totally free of hardcore breakbeatambienttrancebreakbeatambienttrancebreakbeatambienttrance I know it's close to finals and all, but this one's going to be great...just by looking at the DJs, plus the atomic vibe crew do this stuff from the heart, not from the wallet. -d^2 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:20:42 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: The Freight Yard Hello everyone, You have all been pretty silent in the last few days, so let me give you a little update from the Lehigh Valley. Last night, Friday the 20th, a techno/house band called Tri Angel played at the Freight Yard in Allentown, PA. The club is just getting off the ground (it's been open for about a month and a half) and the crowds so far hadn't been that encouraging. All involved here became somewhat discouraged, but we stayed with it. Last night made it all worth while, because it was the first large crowd we pulled into the club. geoffE started the night out with a set of housey techno and got the crowd really into it. Around 11:30, Tri Angel came on. Their show was pretty long, though, and the crowd got a little restless. Evan (dj tree) d.j.ed for a few minutes went the band finished, and the crowd started to groove. It was pretty apparent, they were ready to get into it. I dance with Tri Angel and after getting something to drink, I took over the turntables with some old faves and some good new stuff--mixing it all up: breakbeat, hardcore, trance. What an incredible rush to getting the crowd moving. Personally, I have never spun as well as I did that night. We had a great vibe going. At 5 minutes to two, the owner came up and wanted me to call it a night (some stupid sort of state law I think), but the dance floor was still packed! I threw on Moby's "Next is the E" and even all of the bar-sitters got into it. I faded into Jam-n-Spoon's "Stella" and dropped all the lights except the black lights. A nice ambient state was created as I ended out the night. I just talked to Evan and he said that he thought there were about 250 people there. Actually, the total count was 357 people (how could you have been off by that many, Evan?). I have a feeling this is the start of something really good... Peace, rave, and unity, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== direct from (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm out of this world cyber-wear =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:01:07 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (_Mars_) Subject: The Freight Yard Hello everyone, You have all been pretty silent in the last few days, so let me give you a little update from the Lehigh Valley. Last night, Friday the 20th, a techno/house band called Tri Angel played at the Freight Yard in Allentown, PA. The club is just getting off the ground (it's been open for about a month and a half) and the crowds so far hadn't been that encouraging. All involved here became somewhat discouraged, but we stayed with it. Last night made it all worth while, because it was the first large crowd we pulled into the club. geoffE started the night out with a set of housey techno and got the crowd really into it. Around 11:30, Tri Angel came on. Their show was pretty long, though, and the crowd got a little restless. Evan (dj tree) d.j.ed for a few minutes went the band finished, and the crowd started to groove. It was pretty apparent, they were ready to get into it. I dance with Tri Angel and after getting something to drink, I took over the turntables with some old faves and some good new stuff--mixing it all up: breakbeat, hardcore, trance. What an incredible rush to getting the crowd moving. Personally, I have never spun as well as I did that night. We had a great vibe going. At 5 minutes to two, the owner came up and wanted me to call it a night (some stupid sort of state law I think), but the dance floor was still packed! I threw on Moby's "Next is the E" and even all of the bar-sitters got into it. I faded into Jam-n-Spoon's "Stella" and dropped all the lights except the black lights. A nice ambient state was created as I ended out the night. I just talked to Evan and he said that he thought there were about 250 people there. Actually, the total count was 357 people (how could you have been off by that many, Evan?). I have a feeling this is the start of something really good... Peace, rave, and unity, Mars =============================================================================== mhv0@Lehigh.edu =============================================================================== direct from (C) m m aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmm aa aa rr rrr sss ss mmmmmmmmm aa aa rr rrr ss mmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaa rrrrrr sssss mmm mmmmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss mmm mmm mmm aa aa rr rr ss sss mmm m mmm aa aa rr rr sssss tm out of this world cyber-wear =============================================================================== [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:37:07 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: last nite at the "yard" hey everybody- 'member how we were complaining about the freight yard in allentown being so desolate a little while ago? well, last night we had 258 people in there. my friend's techno band, tri angel, played there to a good crowd (except the moron doing lights, who has no clue, wouldn't turn on the floor lights during tri angel- only the stage lights). dj MARS was in rare form last night, throwing on good trax after trax, keepin us all grooving far into the night- but not far enough, as before we knew it it was 2 am and they closed- BUMMER! but the vibe was good, and it _almost_ felt like a rave. the thing that puzzles me is that we really didn't do anything different- we were going to start playing "alternative/industrial" but not one was played and everyone was still dancing whilst test, xenophobia, acen, and others were played... anytime any of you want to come up, we'll provide free admission and a place to crash! e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:48:19 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: DC Raves in Dec! Washington, DC... Saturday, Dec. 12, 1992: BedRock Productions presents... The Pre-Christmas Children's Chewable Warehouse Party F L I N T S T O N E Get fortified! Starts at 10:00pm Twas the 12th day before Christmas, and all through the warehouse, not a raver was stirring, not even a mouse. Til what before my xing wandering eyes should appear... BUT FRED FLINTSTONE ALL DECKED IN RAVE GEAR! Wise "Techno" Men ----------------- Mr Kleen: Nasa, Sputnik; New York Michael Meacham: Fifth Column; Wash. DC DJ Say: Wash. Dc Snow Filled Room ---------------- So you can chill your weary head and trance your body Guy Oldsams: Eastern Bloc; Manchester UK Earic Patten: Tracks; Wash. DC FX yourHEAD: Flintstone; Wash. DC Smart Bar and Dumb Videos, techno stocking stuffers given out by MC BITCH...Holiday greetings by Julie Jules. Rave wear by Bohemia Tikcets to sit on FRED's lap $10 1234 9th St NW, Washington DC Fred's gift line: (202) 331-4465 Washington, DC... Dec. 19, 1992: Tonka Productions: _Liquid Holiday_ 1-703-222-4499 -Technoshaman Tom [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:19:52 EST From: B7V9000 Subject: Sat. 21 Montreal rave? Supposedly there is a rave tonight here in Montreal. A friend of mine who raves regularly in Toronto heard about it last night, and ever since we have been trying to find out the details. If anyone knows anything about it, PLEASE let me know A.S.A.P.!! Thank you! *Linda* [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: henders@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: Wow! Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:32:27 EST My very own Raves Badgie !!!! Thanky,thanky,thanky,thanky Laura !!!! (giggle) Really, Luck. *********************************************************************** |||||| Hans 'stress-killed-em,I-didn't' Enders - - (o (o henders @ eos.ncsu.edu | +--------------------------------+ | | If we don't start Laughing | _| | someone's gonna get hurt | | REAL bad... | | | _____ +--------------------------------+ /|_|_|\ *********************************************************************** [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: HAPPINESS in DC 12/12/92 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 2:52:16 EST > SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 1992 10PM-SUNRISE > [...] > Guest DJ's: Scott Henry (fever and catastrophic DC) > Dante (evolution NYC) > Onionz (Caffeine) NYC > [...] > **note, this will be a rave almost totally free of hardcore That's because all the hardcore DJs will be doing Storm in NYC that night. Unfortunately, this implies that Storm will likely be a rave almost totally free of trance. :-( BTW, anyone have the DJ list for Storm yet? -Ed My right ankle hurts. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: about the music... Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 3:19:59 EST > Does this mean that techno is disposible music? Yes, a lot of it is. It really wows people for a few weeks then gets supplanted by what wows them for the next few weeks. > I mean arn't there some songs that actually have some lasting > musical value? Sure. Some of these are simply more accessible to a wider audience, or are just so damn good that people will remember them or buy them outright. The sad fact is that quality is neither necessary nor suffi- cient for a given track to have real staying power (but it helps). > Are there thousands of forgotten house > records that just ended up shoved to the back of some DJs record crate or > closet? Yep. Likewise disco, hip-hop, rap, europop, etc. > Will there always be disposible music? Yep, even more so now that it can be created by so many people. To make early disco, you had to hire an orchestra. This didn't mean that only major labels could release it, but it did imply a much larger undertaking than buying (or borrowing) a few synths and drum machines, a sequencer and a DAT deck. Here's where quality comes in: You could make techno that would have knocked our socks off a few years ago, just using the factory presets on your better instruments. But today, we all *know* what those canned patches sound like, so you can't get away with it any more. Bad news, folks, ya gotta be REAL(tm) musicians again. (Cf. the Video Toaster.) And what's worse, people still have to *like* what you do. The good news is that the musicians among us are rising to the occasion, returning the instruments to their proper role as tools rather than end products. The same goes for DJs. Remember when beat-matching was the true mark of a REAL(tm) DJ? Then it was playing around with two copies of the same track. Then it was grabbing single notes or phrases off a beat- matched secondary track. Then it was repeated back-cueing (how many of us still carry a copy of "Musique Non-Stop" just for the "boing"?). Then it was inserting whole tracks into others (like when Mundy took a +8 Final Jeopardy cut and layed it over standard hardcore mix-fodder). Then it was going between *three* tracks, then... Face it boys and girls, we gotta keep getting better, and we have to be able to tell what the audiences want. That's how tracks and the DJs who play them get remembered over the long haul. The rest get disposed of... -Ed (too many parentheses) I can't stop coughing. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:04:33 -0500 From: Digital Druid Well this is my mini-review of the milky rave in baltimore this past saturday. In a word, it was euphoric. This was the greatest rave I've ever been to. It was also the most spiritual I've ever been. The effects were nice and standard: smoke, a few spots and some intellibeams..oh and the strobes (I love strobes). It wasn't overkill with the effects like at some catastrophic raves. There was one laser, but it was brought by thalx... I don't think there were more than 1000 people there which was cool. Besides the few umravers I went with, there were the AMU people and I also caught up with evan. Music: it was amazing...mostly trance I think. Not too much "brain-dead" hardcore. There was also a good dose of breakbeat, and house...yes the music had music in it, I was in bliss. We danced and danced, and didn't stop. all sense of time was lost. With the way the djs worked I actually loved the trance music...I have an appreciation of it now. There was even one point where the DJ threw on some ultra-funky stuff, it was great. After coming back in from out only rest of the night, the DJ started to play rap!!!! We picked out some arested development, Cypress Hill and a few other groups...the rap was so slow compared to the techno before, it was amazingly trancy. I think the crowd received it well. And while I'm on it, the crowd was great. Most people were dancing and the vibe was just so perfect. I just had the most wonderful time of my life at this rave, I couldn't stop smiling all evening... silicon dreams and cybernetic serendipity, digital druid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:07:52 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Milky-Rave A report from the Milky Rave (Balt.) This is my third rave, and definately my favorite so far. The groove was quite excellent and I hardly stopped dancing from the time we arrived (12 AM) till whenwe left (5:30). The Milky Rave was a must.Had not attended DEFCON-1 the week before and a friend of mine, DJ NEROMANCER was performing, fresh from Germany (A student he is also at American U.). **Special thanks to Thomas the Technomaster (UMD) for driving ne-raver Susan K. and I and also bringing a friend back to AU. Forever shall I be indebted** We had a little trouble finding the rave, but it was soon found, The atmospher was nice, better then the MASQUERAVE I'd attended a few weeks pasteven though the crowd was smaller and some of the light effects were not as brilliant. They were very effective though. When arrived DJ Bobble was on the turntables. He mixxed in a little of all, but ended out with some trancy feel grooves. Unlike MASQUERAVE I immediately was into the feel from the second my body entered the warehouse. After Bobble came Jason Jinx, whom Id met briefly at Music Now. "Hardcore." He said was what he liked and he started off with some smooth feelings. I was worked up faster and faster. At the point he was fully into his set, My body was uncontrolable and I just moved with the beat, the music and I as one. Excellent. Next up was NEROMANCER. he played some incredible trance, most brand new from Germany. My knees were at this point killing me, but the rest of my body and my soul would not let me sit down at this point. I continued to dance unabated. Josh Wink was next. I did not follow his set as much because my body could not handle it. Around 5 though he broke out with some hip hop that proved irresistable to groove to. A definately different experince then dancing to techno. An aside: I had much fun and never lost the positive frame of mind all night. An excellent production. The Gyrobix Anti-Gravity Simulator was an experience in itself. Spinning around. The lights, the music. Wish I could have seen Scott Henry, but by then I was well worn. Ah...beautiful. For now I continue to rest. Till the next rave... dz [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 22-NOV-1992 22:54:51.30 From: GCROTEAU@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: please hello-- would you please kindly remove me from your list. it's been great while it lasted. gcroteau@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:06:30 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: HAPPINESS in DC 12/12/92 My SR flyer has the names of Frankie Bones, Dennis the Menace, Joey Fax, and Mr. Hyde. Infor 212.631.1065 718.714.5232 - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:53 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: misc.stuff Hi everyone! Two notes: 1) People who have recently recieved their badges have been sending me mail telling me there's no diff grating in the windows. As a matter of fact, there is. It's just that when the badge goes through the laminator, the grating melts a bit so you lose a large portion of the effect. Also, the last batch I had laminated was done by someone who cranked the machine up so hot that it melted a few of the badges so entirely that I have to re-do them completely. Anyway, try holding it up to your eye and looking at a bright incandescent source, like a white spot or a halogen lamp (or one of Catastorophic's beam emulators). You'll get a slight prismatic effect. 2) A bunch of you have been sending me mail wishing me good luck in my ballroom dance competition. It was last weekend, and it went very VERY well for me. This was the first big competition I've ever been in, and I took first place (in the newcomer's division) in the foxtrot, waltz, and tango. I'm really happy, and had a huge amount of fun. Thanks to everyone who sent good vibes my way! Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Nov 92 14:31:36 EDT From: Subject: HUH?...WHAT? Hey am I the only one out there going def from listening to TECHNO loud. ALL THE TIME ! at work, in the car, at home..... Iz there such a thing as speaker implantz ? You know, something real close to my ear drum with an outjack ? That way I could be just like an elevator, with music piped in 24/7 !! ;-> _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 23 Nov 92 15:01:32 EDT From: Subject: Virtual Rave IRC Time Hey all you ne-ravers. I've been having a blast on the Virtual Rave IRC with some other ravers around the country. The problem is getting people on at the same time. Not everyone has a multitasking environment that allowz them to switch back and forth with out tying up thier system. How about coming up with a time window where we can telnet on over there and chat up a storm (if you can sort out the messages). _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:09:22 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: HUH?...WHAT? > Hey am I the only one out there going def from listening to TECHNO loud. > ALL THE TIME ! at work, in the car, at home..... Not sure. I listen to techno all the time too, but I doubt I'm going deaf from it. Precautions, and all that. As for going def, well, "We're Through Being Cool". > Iz there such a thing as speaker implantz ? You know, something real > close to my ear drum with an outjack ? Actually, I think there is. I seem to remember reading somewhere about a device for the non-neurologically hearing-impaired, which is basically a transducer affixed to the skull that allows the patient to hear via bone conduction. Probably a bit more expensive than a pair of V6's, tho. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:53 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: misc.stuff Hi everyone! Two notes: 1) People who have recently recieved their badges have been sending me mail telling me there's no diff grating in the windows. As a matter of fact, there is. It's just that when the badge goes through the laminator, the grating melts a bit so you lose a large portion of the effect. Also, the last batch I had laminated was done by someone who cranked the machine up so hot that it melted a few of the badges so entirely that I have to re-do them completely. Anyway, try holding it up to your eye and looking at a bright incandescent source, like a white spot or a halogen lamp (or one of Catastorophic's beam emulators). You'll get a slight prismatic effect. 2) A bunch of you have been sending me mail wishing me good luck in my ballroom dance competition. It was last weekend, and it went very VERY well for me. This was the first big competition I've ever been in, and I took first place (in the newcomer's division) in the foxtrot, waltz, and tango. I'm really happy, and had a huge amount of fun. Thanks to everyone who sent good vibes my way! Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 22:00 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Virtual Rave IRC Time >Hey all you ne-ravers. I've been having a blast on the Virtual Rave IRC with >some other ravers around the country. The problem is getting people on at >the same time. Not everyone has a multitasking environment that allowz them >to switch back and forth with out tying up thier system. > >How about coming up with a time window where we can telnet on over there and >chat up a storm (if you can sort out the messages). Anyone have any idea how I could participate in this? My mail system is batched and has no realtime access to the Internet. Is there some other node I could call or ID I could use to participate in these chats? I use windows on the PC and could run a terminal program in its own window. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: where is everyone? Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:50:24 EST what happened? did somebody shoot my mailman, I havent gotten any mail from ne-raves in 2 days. Im lonely :( revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: Re: where is everyone? Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:01:54 -0500 (EST) hee hee hee i know, i have been sad lately too... these ne-ravers are starting to let me down... i miss my 20-25 messages a day...at least it could have been gradual... but nooooooooooooooo!!!!! becca (like i have anything better to say) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: henders@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Virtual Rave ? from Mccormick Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 21:03:13 EST " Anyone have any idea how I could participate in this? My mail system is batched and has no realtime access to the Internet. Is there some other node I could call or ID I could use to participate in these chats? I use windows on the PC and could run a terminal program in its own window. " I don't know much about the details, I justknow all the stuff to do on these school machines, not how they do it. But I am sending you the address in case that is all you will need: haas.berkeley.edu 7283 Pleaase send me what I may need to do when I graduate in a few week, and have to use my family's Mac........ *********************************************************************** |||||| Hans 'stress-killed-em,I-didn't' Enders - - (o (o henders @ eos.ncsu.edu | +--------------------------------+ | | If we don't start Laughing | _| | someone's gonna get hurt | | REAL bad... | | | _____ +--------------------------------+ /|_|_|\ *********************************************************************** [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 18:31:14 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Virtual Rave ? from Mccormick In order to get access to Virtual Rave, you need outbound telnet; if you can do "talk" from your site or have USENET news, you probably do have outbound telnet. I don't think MCIMAIL does, unfortunately, and if your address has a combination of !'s and %'s it might not... but you can always try. :) Anyways, to get there, type "telnet haas.berkeley.edu 7283", and at the "login" prompt type new, and then READ THE INSTRUCTIONS. :) It's been a LOT of fun there recently, when luck would find 3 or more people on... If someone were to set a specific time when we could all meet I'm sure we could get 10-20 people there. Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: "Christopher Penrose" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:18:13 EST Subject: Meat Beat Tour Here is some San Diegan info on Jack Dangers and Meat Beat Manifesto. For those with Gnu Yawk access, Meat Beat Manifesto will play at the Limelight on December 1st. --- MBM finally got there visas after about five cities into their tour. It appears that a desk clerk in Washington, that was handling their visas, stepped out of town for a vacation thus costing MBM five cities of American touring. I know this because I met Jack Dangers (MBM) in San Diego, and he told me that he was a "toilet attendant" before he ever pressed a record, which he did at 21. He used to be Perennial Divide... a jazzy'er and louder band. I have something by them, and I don't like Perennial Divide. Ultramarine seemed like a couple of rich English kids that got where they got with the scrubby funds and snappy haircuts. Orbital (and MBM) had never heard of Internet or any of the computer net phenomenon, and they were REAL interested. I told Orbital they had a big following on the net and they looked excited. But, I also told them that they couldn't really easily access the net, and they looked frustrated. In the soundcheck, MBM was playing a really amazing song that I later found out was just Jack messing around right then and there, and never even existed before the soundcheck. Oh well. Jack also bought an excelent giant analog synthesizer from the Human Leaque that he says takes up a whole wall. They can't bring it on tour, so they just sample it. Paul got me into Soma [a San Diego club hoax] to meat all these people, I have him to thank for this good moment of my life. At one point Paul went out to move his car (remember how Soma aint in the greatest part of town?) and he told the guy standing at the door to let him back in and stuff, and the guy turned out to be that MTV 120 Minutes guy... Paul was a bit embarassed. Hey Chris... I still haven't made that tape! I will keep telling you evey time I slack on you, so the guilt will eventually overwhelm me and I will have to do it to save my life from certain depression. MAYBE YOU should put this thing on the UCSD rave mailing list thing, that would be good since they like the forementioned bands... -Shane [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: late nite plea Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:32:02 -0500 (EST) hey its becca just being silly...this is a plea for ne-raves to pick up pace here. i dont know about the rest of you, but i am going home for these lovely thanksgiving holidays, and i dont regain my net access until i return, which should be sometime during the weekend... so, lets just see if we can make a little noise here and get ne-raves going like it used to be :) :) :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- on a different note, have a great thanksgiving all you guys and don't worry about eating too much, just rave those pounds off...no problem :) 'til we meet again becca being very silly because it is 230 am and she just spent hours talking to taylor and she is very ready for bed........nite :) "lock on target" [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: HOUSE of Euphoria complaints Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 9:00:52 EST this is what i posted to alt.rave. don't know if you have read it but here it is. please respond if you're interested. i am sick of dealing with non-devoted people like most of the people i know in columbus. it is sad when i can count all the techno heads in columbus on two hands. here goes: i guess i am not really complaining at all. but i do have a few things to say. i had a very wonderful time at the house of euphoria. the mixing could have been a little better (there was maybe one or two trance SONGS from 11:30-3:30am) but all in all it was a good event. the moby thing kind of bored me. i have seen him do the exact same songs live and he basically does the same show, but then again, i am not a big moby fan. i think i had the best time meeting people. i met soo many people from detroit and chicago, it wasn't funny. i never met up with anyone from the net, but no one replied to my previous post about this. diffraction grating glasses and +8 condoms were given out... i really had no use for either of them. i passed out a bunch of ravin bran flyers (300+) and i hope at least 10 of those people could make it. one big thing happened to me: this guy from detroit, johnathon, said that titonton and i had so much soul... he was refering to the fact that we were bobbing our heads as we traded tags with him. he commented on the multitudes of people that were just not really into it... that they had no soul, they just did it cause it was cool, etc... and, i did have some exciting visuals go through my head... i was thinking of someone three thousand miles away... ----------------------------------> i don;t know what this means for the rest of the events in ohio, but i had some very discouraging comments from dj boomer saying that ohio is a gridlock, we have no infiltration of any other outside sources and we really haven't seen any big parties. the euphoria party was good if you were on the outside--the biggest and best party ohio had ever seen... but on the inside it was a disaster by most accounts. a lot of money and respect was lost.... so what do we do? i had always had the idea kickin around in my head that we could do a rave ourselves--mike and i, we could get a small space for a night and just make it a little party...300 people tops. then we realized that the people that we want are not just from ohio. and we don't have any really big dj's from ohio that would pull people from detroit, chicago, etc.. to make it some big success. body release would want to play, but this exact same conversation was had by some other dj's and and of course, NOTHING CAME OF IT>> i am ashamed of the state of ohio sometimes when it comes to techno. especially columbus per se. i have never met a bigger group of players of big attitude, who listen to their progressive classics in their bed room and then when they go out they think that they are a bunch of new york/LA club kids who always have to show their stuff off. guys and girls. i have went up to people and given them flyers for any event that 700 high hasn't thrown and they are like, who are you to give me a flyer? they act like they are so into it, but yet when you ask them if they want to go to anything with a little bit of "SOUL," they get frightened... maybe it is just a meat market. i usually go to 700 high just to listen to nice breakbeat and trance and some hardcore... mike gallicchio is one of my best friends and favorite DJ's, but i think he seriously needs to get out of columbus, because he deserves it. it is just an endless cycle. people buy techno and not aphex twin and altern 8, they get the CD comps cause it impresses their friends and not cause they know what is up... what does it take to get some education around here? i could easily rattle of the equipment and history of many groups, etc.. but this is too much... just a little insight to what a party is about... not just what makes people dance.. i don;t know, i am a little biased and i am fucking sick of this state and state that i am in/ IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN A CHANGE, send me mail.... to the address below. (pretty fucking pissed) sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 08:52:18 -0500 (EST) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: XTC on MTV Just a note as I run off to class this morning. . . As I was eating breakfast and flipping through the channels I came across an MTV report on ecstacy in europe. It started with some statement like "In response to the growth of raves and the corresponding increase in use of the drug ecstasy we sent our reporters there. . . " They proceeded to show images of people dancing to some fairly fast music. These images were faded out slightly as doctors discussing the drug were superimposed on the ravers. The doctors stated that ecstasy gives you energy to dance, acts as an afrodesiac (sp?), and the entire theme of the report was that X can kill. The "doctors" gave reference to something like 25 cases of deaths on X, attributing these deaths to hyperthermia. At least they did say that frequently it is cut with other substances and frequently it is not MDMA at all. They also mentioned something about Dutch Clubs/ raves having booths where you could test the purity of your ecstasy. This is rather interesting, but I'm curious as to how you would do this without destroying the hit itself. One other interesting thing was a really quick cut of an interview with the orb, however I couldn't catch what they said. In ususal MTV form the different cut were way to fast for anyone with a normally developed attention span. Anyway, the overall tone of the piece was pretty negative constantly stating that ecstasy can kill! Has anyone else seen this? comments? Personally I think MTV is one of the largest threats to raves. They can corrupt them and make them commercial faster than anyone else. (RAVE MTV in the afternoon, etc.) The last thing we need is people going to raves with an "As seen on TV" attitude about them. Just my opinion. Please respond Fran [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: SMILE Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 10:15:02 EST wonder party happening new year's eve: thome tomato presents S M I L E thursday, dec 31st *new year's eve* all night long --->$10 (you'll get your money's worth) dj's -------------------------------> kevy kev jondy chilly willy dieselBoy ding thome tomato mindcandy daisy (more to be added) live pa's -------------------------------> body release sonic lighting by techno color effects by everybody enough strobes to make you smile 25,000 watts of thumping bass (no shit) smart bar by think smart VOOM and BANG instant rave-gear supplied + SPECIAL GUESTS TBA call: CINCINNATI 513.860.6039 COLUMBUS 614.523.8711 CLEVELAND 216.348.4701 NEW YORK 800.4RAVELINE PITTSBURGH see here for details sponsored by BANG, VOOM, ERP, ELLUSION, and Wizard Records... -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 10:47 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue nov 24) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. In the interest of reducing the number of messages that the poor ne-raves machine, silver.lcs.mit.edu, has to deal with, the following changes will be made in the distribution of the calendars. (1) The Rave-O-Matic Index will no longer be posted. (2) The Techno Club List will only be posted once a month, on the last working day of the month (i.e. on my payday -- I figured that would be a good way for me to remember to post it!). Note that the FTP site, media-lab.mit.edu, will have the latest copies of Rave-O-Matic and the Techno Club List. So, if you wish to unsubscribe to ne-raves you can still pick them up there. Also, since an mw-raves list has come into existence, I will no longer be adding Chicago/Ohio/Wisconsin raves to Rave-O-Matic (there are some raves in this area currently listed, I will leave them on the list of course). You can feel free to post these flyers to ne-raves if you want, I just don't want to duplicate what mw-raves is trying to accomplish. I don't remember the address of mw-raves off the top of my head, but I'm sure Todd Sines could point you there if you asked. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, November 27 RAVIN BRAN Cleveland, OH (614) - 299 - 9529 (216) - 892 - 3373 ravin bran 27 nov 92 11pm-6am? all ages $5 (21+) $7 (21-) TRIPle bangin live acts...quadruple fresh dj's on the cuts...delivering the ruffest beats in the midwest. basslines to move your mind on thanksgiving weekend ***more midwest DJ's to come....(dj EZ cheez..plus more) LIVE IN CLEVELAND!!! PA's theory collapse--columbus furious hardcore orgaz--akron's finest hyper techno body release--columbus krushin breakbeat DJ's rob sherwood--cleveland mike filly--cleveland dieselBoy--pittsburgh ian mariano--akron guest hosts: house of face the underground posse mak diva--go-go leeann * georgette promotions: conception/promotion: mel ske dred promotional assistance: robert divine & johnny mac INFOLINE: columbus 614.299.9529 cleveland 216.892.3373 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 TIME MACHINE New York (Long Island) "x-cubed invites you to TIME MACHINE, a retrospective in techno. dave trance dante DJS micro jimmy crash sat. nov. 28 10 pm til ??? directions: southern state parkway to exit 35. go north to 1st light. make right (edison rd). make left onto lamar st. #48 lamar on left side. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 EXODUS Toronto (416) - 790 - 8132 MAJOR RAVE ANNOUNCEMENT EXODUS PRODUCTIONS proudly presents SHUT UP AND DANCE and PETER BOUNCER LIVE!! In their first ever North American Appearance Plus surprise openning act (all acts confirmed) Saturday November 28, 1992 in Toronto, Canada Exodus Event Line 416-790-8132 Location: 888 Yonge Street No meeting point - no bollox. Tickets 15 advance, 20 at door ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 Catastrophic's Q U A K E R R A V E 100 % Natural 12 HOURS 10PM TO 10AM Thanksgiving Weekend -- Saturday, November 28th $15.00 cover Catastrophic East Coast Gathering New York, Philadelphia, Boston, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Baltimore, RI, Wisconsin, New Jersey, Georgia, and Washington DC. Bus Trip Info: 703 - 971 - 4555 DJ's TO BE ANNOUNCED ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 FUTURE PERFECT Cleveland, OH (216) - 391 - 2345 FUTURE PERFECT Saturday, November 28 Cleveland, Ohio DJ's: Adam X Heather Heather Rob Sherwood Mike Filly DJ Smack (Chicago) The InXomniak of Unity (Detroit) (216) 391-2345 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 SKY-HIGH Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 SKY-HIGH Saturday, Nov. 28th $10 DJs: Dale Charles (San Diego), 333 McGee (London), Mayhem (Boston) 50,000 watts of sound, lights & visuals by Pandemonium! The creators of May Day, Pure & Crusade take you to a higher Strato- sphere of Awareness. Midnight til Dawn Portland, Maine Info: (207)773-6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 EXPLORER I -- Leaving the Stratosphere into the Solar System December 5th info: 212*465*3299 Orbiting DJs Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength) * Wink (Philly) * James Christian (Primal) Mr. Kleen (Gyroscopic) * Scott Richmond (Poughkeepsie) * On-E (NASA) 333 Mgee (UK) * Dave Trance (Thunderground) * Liven De Geyndt (DC) PLUS SPECIAL GUEST DJs Live Performance by INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH Recording Artist DX 13 Promotions: MelloMello * Primal Possee * Mindwarp * Atomic Vibe 333 Mgee * Eddie Van Raven Lights: Psychecyberadiant Scotto Visuals: Happy Trails Bring a toy for Toys for Tots and get a free smart drink. Tickets: $13 in advance * $15 day of and door Directions: 10 days in advance on the info line [ I hear it will be about 10 miles from NYC in Westchester somewhere - Laura ] Maps: At ticket locations and all major events Buses NYC: Aimee 211.387.8592 Poughkeepsie: Dave 914.255.8517 DC: Lieven 202.638.3272 Balt: 301.235.1131 NJ: Kurk 201.768.3024 Philly: 215.592.8481 LI: Eddie 516.435.2560 Conn: Marc 203.647.1068 Tickets NYC: Vinyl Mania 212.463.6120 NJ: Planet X 908.249.0304 DC: Music Now 202.638.3272 Balt: Modern Music 410.523.1882 Boston: Mindwarp 617.266.1987 Philly: 215.592.8481 White Plains: Specific Pacific 914.949.3103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 Got an "advance" flyer from the Storm people. There will be a rave this day, they are still finalizing the DJ list and all. Stay tuned for more information! Also, I'm [Laura] am going to have an informal ne-raves party before this Storm Rave. I'll post details soon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 TRANS-NEURO CORRIDOR Southern Maine (207) - 775 - 7946 T N C R E O A U RR S O ID OR Crital Mass Peaks: Dec 12 / Detonation: Midnight Secret Southern Maine Location. Info: 2077757946 Fly the Trans-Neuro Corridor Prepare to be transported to all-night blissful existence as digital shamen JACKMASTER FLASH transmits auditory impulses to heal your soul, spiritual re-charging available at the high ernergy Smart Bar, discover your inner self in peaceful Ambience, explore parts of yourself you never knew existed. Insane Lights and Sound by: 1st Strike + Pandemonium proMOTIONS: Mindwarp - Boston Beat - Alson Beat (Boston) - Al Bum's Music Quest (Worchester) - Fast Forward Records (Providence Vinyl Mania (New York) - Planet X (New Brunswick) - Hobbles and Kaput @ UMF Radio - KATmandu - su-sEn - AIM-EEE - eQUESTrian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 FLINTSTONES Washington, DC (202) - 331 - 4465 Bedrock Productions presents The Pre-Christmas Children's Chewable Warehouse Party F L I N T S T O N E S Get fortified! Starts at 10:00pm Twas the 12th day before Christmas, and all through the warehouse, not a raver was stirring, not even a mouse. Til what before my xing wandering eyes should appear... BUT FRED FLINTSTONE ALL DECKED IN RAVE GEAR! Wise "Techno" Men ----------------- Mr Kleen: Nasa, Sputnik; New York Michael Meacham: Fifth Column; Wash. DC DJ Say: Wash. Dc Snow Filled Room ---------------- So you can chill your weary head and trance your body Guy Oldsams: Eastern Bloc; Manchester UK Earic Patten: Tracks; Wash. DC FX yourHEAD: Flintstone; Wash. DC Smart Bar and Dumb Videos, techno stocking stuffers given out by MC BITCH...Holiday greetings by Julie Jules. Rave wear by Bohemia Tikcets to sit on FRED's lap $10 1234 9th St NW, Washington DC Fred's gift line: (202) 331-4465 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 HAPPINESS Baltimore (410) - 235 - 1131 Atomic Vibe presents on Dec.12 SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 1992 10PM-SUNRISE Atomic Vibe invites you to celebrate the joy of unity. The dawning of a New Age in the underground experience. Smile, dance, laugh & rejoice in the sounds of ... H A P P I N E S S Atomic Vibe DJ's : Micro-Chip, Bobble, Wash & LG Guest DJ's: Scott Henry (fever and catastrophic DC) Dante (evolution NYC) Onionz (Caffeine) NYC 18 and Over w/Valid ID $8 in advnace (starting 12/10) $10 at the Door BYOB - no glass Smart bar by Neuro Energy Promotion by LG & D-Core Tickets/Directions available at: Modern Music, Balto. 410.523.1882 Music Now, DC : 202.638.3272 Atomic Vibe Info Line, Happy Beats For Your Feets : 410.235.1131 **note, this will be a rave almost totally free of hardcore breakbeatambienttrancebreakbeatambienttrancebreakbeatambienttrance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC (703) - 222 - 4499 Washington, DC... Dec. 19, 1992: Tonka Productions: _Liquid Holiday_ 1-703-222-4499 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 "Through the mass-media, World War III is being waged upon the retina of the mind's eye. But a rapidly growing youth culture within the global village has given birth to a legion of Rainbow Warriors rebelling against the programmed ideals of a society locked within the definitions of the MTV unabridged dictionary. Armed with nothing more than the magik of a hug, a smile, some boomin' bass and a conviction that a difference can be made. This December comes a new gathering dedicated to exploration rather than exploitation... Saturday, December 26th, 1992 The Evolution Collective Proudly Presents: REVELATION Dedicated to Bio-Sphere I and the Sixth Sense Music with a message for your: Mind Body & Soul Frankie Bones Scott Henry Scott Hardkiss [Storm] [Washington, DC] [San Francisco] Keoki Micro Josh Wink [Disco 2000] [Caffeine] [Philadelphia] Dante Debo Onionz [Evolution] [Boston] [Layaway] Troy On-E Jason Jinx [Orlando] [Liquid Sky] [Solar Company] Bus, Travel, and Ticket info. New York 212.631.1179 Washington, DC 202.736.1712 Baltimore 410.783.5453 Boston & RI 617.576.9717 Philadelphia 215.602.2210 Toronto 416.524.7840 $12 admission strictly by advance sale ONLY. Tickets will be on sale until Dec. 20th. Purchase early to ensure entry, only 3,000 tickets will be sold. A portion of proceeds will be donated to Save the Planet. REVAR DESIGN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 11:15:06 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: Loft guest dj's in boston this friday at the loft the guest dj's will be dale charles from san diego (if you heard him last week you'll want to be there.) and i think sandra collins from NYC. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english if'n you aint the grandaddy of all liars @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 11:40 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Ne-Raves pre-STORM Party!! the calm before the STORM . . . It's *that* time of year! The time of year when people fight about what the politically correct term is for parties thrown right about now. (Well, I saw fights like this the 4 years I was in college, and the 5 years I've been working in the Real World. Maybe this is all just a function of my choice of higher educational institutions and employers.) ANYWAY -- know that it is out of the traditions I was brought up with and out of my own love for ne-raves that I invite you all to what I am calling the N E - R A V E S C H R I S T M A S P A R T Y WHO: Ne-Ravers going to STORM RAVE or just passing through the area. WHAT: The usual stuff -- cookies shaped like Santa Claus and holly, candy canes, techno, little blinky lights, a red laser or two, jingle bells, mistletoe, and even a tree. Bring a small gift ($3.00 or under) appropriate for a raver. WHERE: My place again, in Hoboken, NJ. When you RSVP, tell me where you are coming from so I know what directions to give you. WHEN: Saturday, December 12, 1992. 7-10 PM WHY: Why not? HOW: Drop me a line at laura@usl.com to let me know you are coming. My apartment is not huge (but by New York standards it's not small, either), so I'm going to have to limit the number of people who can come to about 35. It's perfectly okay to bring a non-Ne-Raver or two along with you. Just let me know exactly how many people (including yourself) are coming. I hope to see as many of you there as possible! All the Ne-Raves get-togethers people have been throwing have been big successes! If you haven't been to one yet think about coming! Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 13:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Re: XTC on MTV Fran, I totally agree with you on this one. MTV has the power to kill as was demonstrated in the recent past. The last thing we need is a negative image for the rave scene. In England when it became evident that these underground raves were going on, the press quickly linked the scene to drugs and totally destroyed what was a very positive thing. It ended up with the British government passing a law which somehow made the possibility of having a rave very small. They imposed big fines on promoters, DJ's , and anybody else involoved in the organization of a rave. MTV, I'm sure, will not be the only media organization to try and destroy what we have now. We must be careful to keep the image positive and not let what happened overseas happen here. As for XTC, maybe with the proposed human testings we will be better able to understand its efeects - both short and long term. stay strong..... - brit [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 14:23:50 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: late nite plea > so, lets just see if we can make a little noise here and get ne-raves going > like it used to be :) :) :) OK, I'll bite, but you've just been suckered into market research... :-) There is a guy who wants to open a non-alcoholic club here in New Bruns- wick. This would be your typical suburban joint, with top-40 one night, salsa one night, hip-hop one night, etc. One of the etc.'s is techno, likely spun by Your Humble Narrator. (There are a couple of live acts, Taylor, that would fit here as well.) Now, we ravers know the inherent differences between raves and clubs that play techno. The owner is not going to be stupid enough to call this "rave night" or any other such foolishness. But, the idea here is similar to places like NASA and Thunderground, to give ravers a place to go when there aren't any raves. We know well what it should *not* be, but the central question is what it *should* be. This is where you come in -- send me your wish lists. What would bring you to a place like this? What sooper-dooperness would make you drive an hour to get there? (DISCLAIMER: I'm not a principal in this. In fact, there's no guaran- tee it'll even happen at this point -- it's still in the early planning stages. I'm just the only techno person this guy knows, and I can easily be plied with cappucino. :-) -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 14:21:26 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: my MILKY RAVE experience.. saturday afternoon/evening at 5 or 6 pm we left lehigh univ. in bethlehem, pa to drive down to baltimore for journey to the milky rave. with me were my two friends from neptune, nj and my friend from bethlehem. driving down went rather quickly- we passed through the northwest corner of delaware and went down through maryland. i had called modern music in baltimore to ask for directions and they told us that when we got into baltimore all we had to do was to take martin luther king blvd. and it would take us straight to modern music. well, of course it didn't and we ended up driving around for an hour or so. finally we found a phone and called them and we eventually arrived. we walked into the record store and were told to go upstairs to buy our tickets. they were numbered and ours were in the 650s- this was at 1 or 1:30 am. following the map we received at the store, we easily found our way to the rave, which was in a warehouse in an industrial complex. parking was easily found next door and we made our way in. going inside i was immediately struck by how crowded it was- hallways were jammed. as you walked in, gear was being sold on the right, there was a bathroom/chillout room on the left and the synchro-energize goggles were in another room. walking straight ahead, we entered the main warehouse room were most everybody was. the first thing that hit me was the BEER. it was everywhere. many were holding glass or metal bottles and the floor was littered with crushed metal bottles. at one point, i saw two people carry out a cooler. the second thing that i noticed was that there weren't THAT many ravers there- a good portion of the people seemed to be people that might be interested or were just checking things out. there was a LOT of fog in the air- almost too much IMHO. the lights (i thought) were pretty good. the sound system was pretty damn good :) good bass good everything. so, we started dancing and then i ran into the umd crowd :) (i'm sorry, but i totally forget who i was hanging with and dancing with for a while- write me back!!). later in the night, they opened up a metal door and people spilled outside into the chilly early morning air, which felt great. at around 4 am, people started clearing out. also, they started playing HIP HOP which was just excellent. the guy djing wore an absolut rap t-shirt and i'm told it was josh wink. at first, he started with a drum sample of arrested development's "tennessee" sped up, then it slowed down. then, me and the umd guy picked out a siouxsie & the banshees drum sample ("kiss them for me") and they also played some cypress hill and some das efx, if i recall. hip hop is SOOO slow (by comparison to techno) and it was really good. OK- this is where the people that left early missed out. dante came on at around 6-7 am and threw on some grrrreat trance. by THIS time, there were maybe 50-60 people left in the huge warehouse. i honestly wasn't on much of anything and i was just dancing my ass off, having a BALL. by 9 am, dante was still going strong and there were just 10 people left dancing (me included :)) at 9:45 there were 2 people dancing- me and this guy from dc. everyone else was just sitting down or sleeping. at 10 am dante finished his last song and the power was cut. we walked outside, past the people that were listening to techno in their cars :) and back to our own car. NOTE: this was an excellent rave- the best one yet in this humble person's opinion. the baltimore scene may not be totally off the ground yet but it's off to a great start!! e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 11:11:35 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: XTC on MTV > From fran@ravel.udel.edu Tue Nov 24 09:21:38 1992 > report was that X can kill. The "doctors" gave reference to something > like 25 cases of deaths on X, attributing these deaths to hyperthermia. Well, from my understanding of E, it increases your activity level while doing something artificial to keep you "thinking" your cool even though your body is quickly burning up and becoming dehydrated. Remember from your official "E info" pamphlets that it says to drink plenty of water. Even if you don't think you need it, you do. That's the only thing immediate that I can think of that could kill you in a rave situation (you know how well ventilated those warehouses are. NOT!) be safe little ravers. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 15:29:48 EST From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Re: Ne-Raves pre-STORM Party!! I'll be there! (I think!) :) I'm moving to San Francisco on 12/15, and will be in NYC from 12/10-14, so I'm looking for some fun! STORM sounds like the fun I'm looking for!! Will probably bring one other non ne-raver with me. (Maybe two, but that's doubtful...will know soon...) Looking forward to meeting all of you on my transition to the west coast and...the SFRAVES list! :) Talk to you soon! Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu - Buffalo, New York - USA (On Dec. 10th, I will be moving permanently to the address salsbury@netcom.com The address is functional now, though, if you wish to send mail there instead.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 16:56:41 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: new Prodigy single i just got the new Prodigy single and am pretty darn impressed. it's for "Out of Space" from THE PRODIGY EXPERIENCE (my favorite track) and features: 1. Out of Space (edit) 3.41 2. Out of Space (Techno Underworld Remix) 4.48 3. Ruff in the Jungle Bizness (Uplifting Vibes Remix) 4.20 4. Music Reach(1,2,3,4) (live) 4.21 the remixes were all done by Liam. the edit is cool, very true to the original.. the T.U. remix is SLAMMIN'. big-time. Ruff.. is okay, Not too bad, but a good mix nonetheless.... Music Reach is basically the same version on the album with their MC shouting and some crowd noise. Recommended, if only for the TU remix of OoS. A great single. mike [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 17:03:26 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: XTC on MTV E isn't totally safe. For one thing, E is a form of SPEED and speed can screw with your heart rate. Remember Len Bias? He was maybe 22 and healthy enough to play NBA ball, but he was killed by a dose of cocaine. E also screws with your neurotransmitters. Some studies done in the early 80's suggested that there was a possibility of brain damage from as few as 10 times taking it. LSD is another drug that many people took with no ill effects while some others suffered permanent and debilitating side effects. I'm not saying do it or don't do it, but don't think it is guaranteed harmless or proven safe. Any time you take chemicals strong enough to alter your consciousness, you are rolling dice. The odds may be good, but your brain is the stake. (personally: I'm glad I tried all these things but I am never doing any of them again. I've lost enough brain cells.) Betsy I've roamed and rambled and I followed my footsteps To the sparkling sands of her diamond desert. And all around me a voice was sounding This land was made for you and me. -- Woody Guthrie [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 14:16:01 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Fun,low key parties or scenes in Chicago.. Does anyone know of any interesting parties going on in Chicago in the next few weeks? I have a close friend who will be going there who would love to be able to rave...Preference: low key scenes with friendly people... _Chris_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 17:25:28 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (my finest hour) Subject: Re: late nite plea I think that's why ne-raves is so slow... thanksgiving and all... --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 24 Nov 1992 17:16:13 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: new brunswick club ... ed's message. what i like to see at a club rave...like nasa: no alcohol. smart bar? cutting edge techno music (which i know ed can deliver) i like these things to be somewhat underground, to week out people who are here for a fuck or a drunk. NASA is nice because there are many "raver" types there.. and the atmosphere is happy. NASA doesn't feel like a club. it really doesn't. there are minimal, but trancey lights...a chill out room.. smart bar. and lots of cool people. it's hard to generate this by trying.. i think it's one of things that just happnens. if you open a club witht he right attitude, then the righe people will make regular appearances. >>taylor.808.dream.state. t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 24 Nov 1992 17:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: laura's xmas party one thing which i don't think was totally clear in the invitation post was that the little ravey gift.. for under $5 that she wants us all to bring is for a "door prize' type thing.. we'll put all these things in a box, and then everybody gets to take a pick from the box! neato! >>taylor.303.ecstasy. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: XDZebra Review #17 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 16:04:32 MST XDZebra Review #17 Yes, I've been slacking off the reviews for a while. There were some technical difficulties and the CDs have been piling up. In the next few weeks you should see quite a catch up. Forgive the lateness on some of these releases. I figured it was better to review them late, than not review them at all. Addiction PO Box 510192 Salt Lake City, UT 84151-0192 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational Music: FAX 805/893-8553, Phone 805/564-4949, email angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu Back issues are available. Mail me if interested. This is all my opinion. Flames against a review are pretty pointless, so don't bother. Let me know if you have any other comments though. The number next to the index is the "dance factor". 5 = high, 1 = low XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #17 Contents: Ambient Dub Volume One: The Big Chill Orbital: Radiccio Dancebusters Volume One Mike Oldfield: Sentinel (Single Restructure) Pop Will Eat Itself: Karmadrome Moby: Moby Eon: What is Music Ambient Dub Volume One: The Big Chill Beyond Records: RBADB01 1 1 08:21 Original Rockers: Sexy Selector 2 3 06:16 21st Century Aura: Disorientation 3 4 07:55 Banco de Gaia: Desert Wind 4 2 05:56 Mimoid: Strawberry 5 3 08:29 G.O.L.: Angelica in Delirium 6 3 08:24 Banco de Gaia: Soufie 7 2 13:27 Mimoid: Tree of the Sun, Tree of the Moon 8 4 06:18 Alphanex: Planet Hoskins 9 3 06:05 Higher Intelligence Agency: Ketamine Entity 10 4 08:13 21st Century Aura: Something Started Comments: Hints of Pato Banton, Utah Saints, and "of course" The Orb (they thank them with an "of course") shine through the cracks of this excellent compilation. "Disorientation" could be a "Perpetual Dawn" remix, "Angelica" has the same beat as Outlands, then "Soufie" sounds a lot like the Saints "Trance Atlantic Flight". Even though there is a lot of familiarity on this album, it all stands by itself. Deeper, and of course dubbier, any ambience fan would enjoy this a lot. "Desert Wind" is extremely scrumptious, especially for "Passion" and Delirium fans. On the downside, "Ketamine" and "Sexy Selector" are slightly annoying. Summary: 9/10. A fantastic release for Beyond Records. Orbital: Radiccio Internal: LIECD1 869869.2 1 5 11:10 Halcyon 2 5 06:25 The Naked and The Dead 3 4 07:13 Sunday Comments: Orbital returns with an up to par release. "Halcyon" takes the "la la" vocals from Opus III's "Fine Day" and changes them into something a bit weirder, then mutates the theme in Orbital fashion for eleven minutes. "The Naked and The Dead" begins with a starting bongo that disappears into a housey vocal. Finally, "Sunday" is a bit harder than the rest, but less exciting. Summary: 9/10. Orbital fans will lick this up, non-fans will most likely find it as more of the same. Dancebusters Volume One Wau Mr. Modo: WAMCD 002 1 3 06:27 Johnson Dean feat Lynda Law: Somebody Somewhere (Black Country) 2 4 06:24 U.N.C.L.E. 22: The Man From... 3 3 06:06 Blowfly: Work Your Body 4 4 03:03 U.K. Black: Untouchables (Booker's Revenge) 5 3 05:52 Georgette Della Rosa: D'Ya Wanna (Italian Ciao Mix) 6 2 05:49 STP Twentythree: Let Jimi Take Over (Ultramix One) 7 4 03:52 Sound Iration: Dub Seal Part II 8 2 04:27 The Orb: Suck My Kiss Mix 9 4 05:53 Johnson Dean feat Lynda Law: Somebody Somewhere (Smokin' Jammy) 10 4 03:56 Blowfly: Work Your Flute Mix 11 3 06:11 Georgette Della Rosa: D'Ya Wanna (Roots Mix) 12 2 06:06 STP Twentythree: Let Jimi Take Over (Retromix) 13 2 06:09 Sound Iration: Seventh Seal Comments: A really old compilation from 1989, I mainly picked it up for the Orb track. This showcases a lot of early, but unfortunately boring, house music. There is also a nice smattering of tracks reminiscent of the New York voodoo movement of the mid 80's. The Orb's track is a disappointment as well. Alex seems rather directionless at this point. Yet how can I slag an album which gives me a remix of the Untouchables theme? Summary: 5/10. Definite middle ground. A lot of tracks show their age. Mike Oldfield: Sentinel (Single Restructure) WEA: 4509-91019-2 1 1 03:57 Sentinel (Single Restructure) 2 1 04:05 The Orb 7" Mix 3 2 04:09 Early Stages Comments: The biggest question to ask with this single is WHY? I suppose that the forthcoming album, Tubular Bells II will be more of the same progression. I mean it was cool the first time, but listening to it now only brings back memories of blocks and Tonka trucks for me. Orb "mixes" are getting to be a private joke to Alex and Thrash. It seems that they can just go back to their archives and pull out an experiment, then hand it to the publisher. Their "mix" bears absolutely no resemblance to the original. However, in this case, this is a plus. Summary: 3/10. Wonderful new release from The Orb. Saddening new release from Mike Oldfield. Pop Will Eat Itself: Karmadrome RCA: 07863 62321-2 1 2 03:55 Karmadrome (7") 2 3 03:15 Eat Me, Drink Me, Love Me, Kill Me 3 2 05:07 Karmadrome 4 4 03:08 PWEI-Zation Comments: What is wrong with the poppies on this release? The lead must have just come in from a foot race, for he gasps for breath as he attempts to rap out a unexciting litany about karma. Samples are sparse, replaced by a grinding guitar and plodding drum set. I hope the album is better than *this*. "Eat Me" doesn't change the pace, great title, but they don't do anything with it. "PWEI-Zation" is refreshing after these dirges, but was released on "PWEI vs. Dirty Harry" a couple of years back. Summary: 2/10. Unplayable and unexciting. Sounds like a poor PWEI cover band. Moby: Moby Instinct: EX-241-2 1 5 04:20 Drop A Beat 2 4 04:51 Everything 3 3 05:48 Yeah 4 4 03:29 Electricity 5 5 04:42 Next is the E 6 2 05:43 Mercy 7 3 03:36 Go 8 5 06:32 Help Me To Believe 9 4 04:09 Have You Seen My Baby 10 5 03:46 Ah Ah 11 3 04:29 Slight Return 12 2 03:09 Stream Comments: At the risk of ranting (and raving) too hard over Moby, I'll try and be a little more subjective with this release. Of course everything I've heard him do is great and everything on this album is no exception. However, I was disappointed to see the same original remixes of "Go", "Drop A Beat", "Electricity", and "Have You Seen My Baby". Three of these were on the Instinct compilation leaving "Electricity" which was on the "Drop A Beat" single. You'd think that Moby would have been able to fill these spots with something new, but I guess this is more of a total retrospective than a brand new album. However, the new tracks do kick. "Help Me To Believe" is outstanding, probably my favorite Moby track ever. Summary: 8/10. Great stuff as usual, but too many of them have been out a while. Eon: What is Music Vinyl Solution/Columbia: 44K74489 1 4 05:43 What is Music (Original Mix With Notes) 2 3 06:13 Spice (Low Power Mix) 3 4 04:08 What is Music (Mr Raucous Mix) 4 4 06:47 Spice (Hi Power Mix) Comments: Low key single release following Eon's album. "What is Music" isn't available on the album, and it is apparent why. Once again Ian B unleashes the same samples in a different song upon the suspecting public. The title track and its remix brings tears to the eyes of a person who once loved "Spice" and "Inner Mind". As for Juan Atkins remixes of "Spice", the "Low-Power Mix" is a nice change, but Juan mislabled the "Hi-Power" mix. It should have be "Low-Power 2". The original version had far more energy than either. What it didn't have was the crackling pops, bad production, and lame break beat sample. Juan needs to clean his records better. Ian B needs to dig up some new samples. Summary: 4/10. What is music? Eon once knew, but now he's searching again. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 15:43:02 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: XTC on MTV I'm sorry gang, I'm not flaming here, but I think she has her E info 100% in the wrong direction... we've had discussions like this on sfraves before, and unless some facts are presented then it degenerates into a flame war... From: Elizabeth Schwartz >E isn't totally safe. Neither is cornmeal. Anything in excess is bad, people should realize this. But compared to driving through Compton and standing in an open field in a thunderstorm, E is VERY safe, >For one thing, E is a form of SPEED Bzzzt. Yes, E is an amphetamine, it does speed up your heart rate. But calling it a form of SPEED is VERY misleading. >and speed >can screw with your heart rate. Remember Len Bias? He was maybe 22 and >healthy enough to play NBA ball, but he was killed by a dose of >cocaine. What does Len Bias and cocaine have to do with E??? Because they're both white powders? >E also screws with your neurotransmitters. Some studies done >in the early 80's suggested that there was a possibility of brain >damage from as few as 10 times taking it. The _only_ conclusive study that has ever come out about MDMA (before it was put on schedule I) was when they gave the equivalent of 4 doses every four hours to a group of monkeys _for_a_week_ - after 18 months the level of serotonin in the brain had returned to only 90% of its former levels, but the study did not examine whether the monkeys suffered any loss of brainpower. There is a prescription drug on the market (flouroxetine?) with 4 times the neurotoxicity of MDMA. > LSD is another drug that many people took with no ill effects while >some others suffered permanent and debilitating side effects. Some people do suffer psychotic break after a "bad trip" - but an educated and well-balanced person can prevent having a bad trip by taking certain well-known precautions. The incidence of psychotic problems is no higher among LSD users than in the general population. > I'm not saying do it or don't do it, but don't think it is >guaranteed harmless or proven safe. Okay, I fully agree with you here. I think we know as much about the brain and its chemistry as we did about quantum mechanics in 1940. (i.e., not much, but we're getting there). PLEASE play safe, kids. > (personally: I'm glad I tried all these things but I am never doing >any of them again. I've lost enough brain cells.) Alcohol is the #1 killer of brain cells, followed by nitrous. LSD has never been proven to kill any brain cells. There is a TON of good information on these chemicals available at the alt.rave FTP site. (soda.berkeley.edu, under /pub/sfraves/chemistry). Please understand I am NOT advocating its use - in fact I am of the opinion that MDMA is something you can do once and never need again to continue to enjoy - kinda like reading a really GOOD book. I would most strongly recommend picking up the FAQ's, and the file called info-e. >Betsy Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 19:27:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Suspended in gaffa) Subject: Re: XTC on MTV Fran wrote: >superimposed on the ravers. The doctors stated that ecstasy gives you >energy to dance, acts as an afrodesiac (sp?), and the entire theme of the >report was that X can kill. The "doctors" gave reference to something >like 25 cases of deaths on X, attributing these deaths to hyperthermia. >At least they did say that frequently it is cut with other substances and >frequently it is not MDMA at all. They also mentioned something about 100% true. But NOT an aphrodisac. MDA is. MDMA isn't. You can die on ANY drug, GOT IT? You could even die on asprin. X can Kill. the hyperthermia deaths occur when people dance too much, don't take in enough water and don't take a break once in awhile. this should all be common knowledge by now. > [...] Anyway, the overall tone of the piece was pretty negative > constantly stating that ecstasy can kill! Pleae see above. > Has anyone else seen this? comments? I did not see the MTV bit, but I've seen plenty of evidence to prove that MDMA or any analog to it dehydrates, and can kill. >Personally I think MTV is one of the largest threats to raves. They can >corrupt them and make them commercial faster than anyone else. (RAVE MTV >in the afternoon, etc.) The last thing we need is people going to raves >with an "As seen on TV" attitude about them. >Just my opinion. Please respond MTV isn't a threat to rave culture, mass media and mass marketing is. there will always be an ":underground:" irregardless of marketing intervention. People who want the scene to be underground will make it so. People who participate in the above-ground, mass produced, over rated, over advertised raves will help raves surface even more. Let's face it, The concept of raving is no longer underground. If you do anything long enouhg, everyone finds out about it and everyone wants a piece of the action. This is true of ANYTHING in our society. --Let's not turn ne.raves into alt.e.and.lsd.faq -- John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: X & ravers From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (inhuman inhuman) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 19:28:35 EST Personally, I don't see why X is such a rave drug. The first time I tried it was in a non-rave situation, and I had fun wandering around downtown DC with a friend trying all sorts of interesting activities. The second and most recent time I tried it was at Masquerave. The X I got at Masquerave was not nearly as good, but I enjoyed sitting down in the chillout rooms SO much more than dancing. When I was dancing, I couldn't feel anything (x-wise). At DefCon I tried acid at a arave for the first time. THAT was an experience. Not one I'd particularly like to repeat. While X seemed to make my body feel cooler and such, acid made me feel like I was about to explode with all the heat contained inside my body. It did not feel too healthy. If anyone can hook me up with some GOOD X, no some mellow crap, and is going to be at Quaker Rave, just look for me, the guy with the 3.5" disk around my neck. On another subject, I keep hearing reference to people saying there were a lot of "raver-types" at this rave, or there weren't a lot at this rave, etc... What exactly does a raver-type look like? Horizontally-striped hooded sweatshirts? Oversized clothes? What? And is anyone going to Quaker Rave? I'm a little nervous with it being only four days before the rave and the DJs still aren't announced. I'm going, though. What do you all look like? I'd really like to finally meet up with some ne-ravers at a rave. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 19:51:56 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Re: XTC on MTV I got a very different impression of this piece than other people did. I thought MTV and Kurt Loder were trying to stay fairly objective. After all, the piece was balanced by both an anti-e scientist and an e proponent. Kurt Loder's reporting could be construed as somewhat negative, but that's no surprise, it's just his style. MTV _has to_ come out with an anti-e and an anti-drug stance. They are part of the media first, and youth culture second. While the scientist they interviewed was definitely anti-e and anti-MDMA, the report included information about drug testing available at raves, including a sign that read "Confidentiality Assured." MTV is fairly egalitarian when it comes to counterculture, otherwise shows like 120 Minutes and Liquid Television (while definitely mainstreamed, off the beaten path when compared to Bon Jovi videos) wouldn't be shown. +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ | Peter A. Cohen | No, I don't reflect my employer's opinions. | | peterco@eff.org | Heck! My employer doesn't even know I'm here! | +-----------------+------------------------------------------------+ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 24 Nov 1992 21:05:26 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: "raver-types" when i (or anyone else i know) mentions a "raver-type" person, it's not a physical description, it's a mental one. one of the main reasons i love being a part of this scene is because the people i meet at raves and whatnot are some of the most incredible people i know. most of the people who love raves for the love of the scene are what i like to call "ravers" or "raver- types"... i don't own a stripey hat. >.taylor.808.dream.state t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 24 Nov 1992 21:10:41 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: help!!!! does anyone know why i'm getting refused when i try to connect to the sf-raves virtual rave? is it just me, or is anyone else xperiencing this? i hope it's not personal.. geez. if anyone know's what's up, i'd love to know. thankx. >>taylor.303.ecstasy ++lock on target++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 22:28:16 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: help!!!! yes, sorry, it was down for a bit tonight and had trouble getting back up... if you try logging into 7283 and it's refusing your connection (either the program seg faulted or something) try 7282 - I've set up a parallel board there as a "backup" (but obviously you should go to 7283 first if that's up) Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 03:59:47 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: reQuest I was in Providence RI for a conference, and I could not miss the opportunity to rave in good old New England. Walked down Thayer street. Noticed a store called Luna Sea with ravewear in their window display. Picked up a flyer for reQuest microrave. I was in luck. It was going on the same weekend. This was my first microrave, and I loved it. There was about 150 people, all ravers. People were very friendly. It was a comfortable kind-of-rave. I went with Ben and Chrissy from the conference. BTW, the conference was for college broadcasters, both radio and TV. Ben and Chrissy were from Washington State. It was Chrissy's second rave. Ben was a rave vet. He'd been to raves in Seattle, Portland, and SF. They were both impressed with reQuest. We were some of the first people to arrive. Everyone was standing around for about a half hour before they started raving, but I had a good vibe about this rave after the first 10 minutes. Heather Heather was spinning mostly breakbeat for the first hour and a half. Sandra Collins followed after her. She was excellent. She played a variety (Hard, Trance, Happy, House). Ben said her set was like what most of the West Coast DJ's spin. Following Sandra was Adam X. The bad thing about this microrave was that there was not a chillout room to get away from his set. He's simply the most overrated DJ on the east coast scene. Not only do he spin music which most people don't like, his technical skills leave much to be desired. Ben and I were both laughing about how off he was on his stop hits. We left halfway through his set. Ben said the west coast DJs don't stay with the hard stuff as long as Adam X does. Anyway, I'd like to go to some more microraves. reQuest was a good rave. Small city raves may become the preferred events for ravers. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 10:17 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: club update This just in from Eric McCormick: >Laura, the "Beyond" parties are no longer being held at the Quorum location. >(I hear that the Management of the club is pretty sad.) This was in Washington DC. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 12:54:21 EST From: Charles Hope Subject: Thunderground? Laura's Party... By the way, where is this controversial Thunderground on Staten Island? I live here on Staten Island and yet nobody I talk to has any idea where it is! Also, does anybody in the NYC area who is going to Laura's party before Storm have any room in their trunk? Does the PATH go out near there? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 25 Nov 92 13:20:08 EDT From: Subject: POSITIVE RAVE ARTICLE Hello all you happy RAVERZ ! Here'z an article that appeared in todayz Cleveland Plain Dealer. 'Coast to coast, the hip crowd is raving mad' Shortly after midnight, at a warehouse on the West side of Manhattan, teenagers wearing backpacks and stocking caps slowly filled a dark dance floor. Swaying to a hypnotic, throbbing beat, they danced either in clusters or by themselves, eyes shut, hands moving like snakes in the air. It was early yet - most would stay until 8 am or 9am. They may look as if they're dancing, but that word is rarely used at the impromptu parties that pop up every night in large cities across the country. They are "raving". Set against a background of rap-influenced techno or house music, ravings is a growing social movement that first surfaced in England about five years ago. Alcohol is banned but the durg of choice is Ecstasy, an illegal psychedelic designer drug that ravers say blends in with the pulsating 165 bpm music and creates a peaceful, harmonious atmosphere. The biggest rave cities in the U.S. are Los Angeles, New York and San Francisco. The pureset raves are the most spontaneous. Ravers learn about the events through fliers or special phone lines just hours before they occur. In England in the summer of 1988, some raves drew up to 10,000 people. Most U.S. raves are smaller, especially in New York where space is at a premium. "Storm" raves take place outside, under bridges or at racetracks, and draw even more people. "Every week we'll travel to Baltimore, Rhode Island, D.C., Long Island, anywhere there's a rave," said Michelle DiBella, 19 of Montclair, N.J. "It's the best place to meet great people who are into the same thing you are: music and positive energy." DiBella stood near the dance floor at a recent rave with one of her best friends. She wore 5 1/2 inch black glitter platform shoes, green bellbottoms, a black shirt, vest and beret and a nose ring. Her hair hung in a braid. Gus Gonzales, 18, came to a recent Friday night rave with two friends from Brooklyn. They go to as many raves as possible. They come soon after the raves begin, at 11:30 pm and stay until morning. Gonzales wore typical rave accesories: a whistle around his neck attached to a flashing red strobe light. He said the red light is visually appealing to someone under the influence of Ecstacy. Most ravers are in their late teens to early 20s but organizers say they can be as young as 11 and as old as 45. "Raves are an escape, it's an adrenaline rush," explained Gabriel Hunter, 19. "You go to become close to the music. My mom was a hippie, a Deadhead. I figure this is the equivalent of what whe was doing. Mini Woodstock." ! RAVE ON ! ;-> _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 13:58:07 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: happy times There comes a time when we all come together and listen to some old techno songs at the dinner table each Thanksgiving. This is one of these times. it usually starts out with... | [] | | [] | | [] | a rave-o-gram of 'Green Man' by Shut Up & Dance | | | [] | |[] [] [] | jus messin|----------------------- ||| | | [] | [] | around with the |_______________________||| | [] | graphics.|||| | | [] | [] | |-----------------------||| | [] | To all ne-ravers have a safe and happy turkey-day | [] | [] | | and watch out for the traffic on the high-ways!\ | []| dz--------------------| | | [] | | ***sorry about the waste'o file space***/ |[] [] | [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: ravin bran 27 nov 92--->this friday! Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 14:19:57 EST for the most part, ravin bran will be at the metropolis or alter house, or cleveland public theatre. give a call to 216.892.3373 for verification or in columbus to 614.299.9529 on friday.. or thursday. also, it is posted on the new york raveline at 1.800.4raveline the guy called me up this morning, i was baffled.. cool. dj's, again are: dieselBoy rob sherwood mike filly jondy ian mariano pa's are: body release orgaz theory collapse sponsored by bang and voom rave gear give a call!!! 11-6 am all ages $5 21+ $7 21- sines -- ----------------------------------------------enhanced--body release----------- ----------------------------------------------todd sines--614.299.9529--------- ---+------------------------------------------tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu- ----------------------------------------------384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201-- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 15:26:49 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: alt.rave FAQ version 1.0 To paraphrase a friend of mine, it's here, it's queer, get used to it. :) Anyways, this is version 1.0 because it's just about as complete as I can make it. It is weak in a couple of parts, but of course, I am relying on you all to help me. :) I have been listening to all the conversations in all the different newsgroups about defining techno and such, and hopefully the FAQ reflects that. The last FAQ was, what, 16K? This one's 43K. Share and enjoy. Brian The Official alt.rave FAQ Written and maintained by Brian Behlendorf, aka bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu Version 1.0 Last Modified - 11/25/92 CONTENTS 0 Introduction to the FAQ 1 What is a "rave"? 1.5 The "House Vibe" 2 What is "techno music" 3 DJing 4 Drugs/Smart drinks 5 The visuals 6 Creating techno music 7 Other rave-related mailing lists 8 Techno music stores 9 Techno music radio shows 10 Rave "Fashion" 11 Appendix I - true Frequently-Asked-Questions --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 Introduction to the FAQ Raves are, if anything, the ultimate subjective experience. Your perception of how well or how badly a rave "goes off" is based at least 70% on your state of mind (and depending on the circumstances, 100%). Therefore, it's impossible to create an FAQ which is entirely objective. I'll do my best. I am MORE than happy to incorporate other's suggestions into the FAQ, to include dissenting opinions and statements, within reason. This file is not the be-all and end-all of rave culture; many of the topics here will simply be introductions to the subject and point to the little rave FTP site I've created at soda.berkeley.edu under /pub/sfraves (named for and housing the archive of the sfraves mailing list, a description of which will follow). There's simply TONS of stuff there. And for the rest of the document, whenever I refer to "the ftp site", I mean soda. This document should also serve as an introduction to alt.rave. Alt.rave has been alive since early 1992, and has an extremely wide distribution. At last count an est. 12,000 people read it. As is usual on USENET, people often have strong opinions which clash with others' strong opinions. If everyone accepted the view that reality is subjective, and that on matters of taste there is no dispute, then flame wars become a thing of the past. Posts like "Orbital sucks, and the Orb can kiss my butt" are probably inappropriate flamebait. Rewording it to say, "I am disappointed by the new Orbital because..." is a lot better. Many people also complain about too many posts about a particular subject, or group, or country, etc... to which the standard response is, start talking about what you want to hear. Finally, there was a big debate about whether to create alt.music.techno, to "distinguish" the music from the scene, and it was voted down, with the view that discussion about rave/techno music are completely appropriate on alt.rave. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 What is a "rave"? The term "rave" has been overused almost to the point of losing its meaning. The word has always meant (according to webster): >1. rave \'ra-v\ vb [ME raven] 1a: to talk irrationally in or as if in > delirium 1b: to declaim wildly 1c: to talk with extreme enthusiasm 2: to > move or advance violently : STORM : to utter in madness or frenzy - rav.er > >2. rave n often attrib 1: an act or instance or raving 2: an extravagantly > favorable criticism In current practice, a "rave" usually refers to a party, usually all night long, open to the general public, where loud "techno" music is mostly played and many people partake in a number of different chemicals, though the latter is far from necessary. The number of people at the event is unimportant; it can range from 50 people to 25,000 people. The cost of attendance is also unimportant - there have been good raves and bad raves at both ends of the cost spectrum (though in practice, the higher the price, the more commercial the event, and the lower the quality). At a rave, the DJ is king - he controls the psychic voyages of the dancers through his choice in hard-to-find music and his skill in manipulating that music, sometimes working with just a set of beats and samples, into a tapestry of mindbending music. A large part of the concept of raves is built upon sensory overload - a barrage of audio and very often visual stimuli are brought together to elevate people into an altered state of physical or psychological existence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1.5 The "House Vibe" The actual concept of raves is not new - it is as old as time itself. As the base level, raves are very comparable to American Indian religious ceremonies, i.e. pow-wows, and also to the concept of the Shaman in Eskimo and Siberian society - where music is the key towards pulling oneself into a unique emotional and psychological state, a state in which one experiences washes of sensations and visions, not delusions, but visions. Sounds very hokey in print, but I'm sure MANY of you out there know what I'm talking about. The hypnotisizng effect of techno music coupled with the seemless transitions and themic progressions of rave DJ's as the night progresses can be QUITE intoxicating, resulting in what could be closely compared to a religious experience. Music in general has always been able to sweep people off their feet, but what distinguishes raves are the concept of the _shared_ experience; a feeling of unity often arises, and people are open and friendly to one another. There is a loss of that "attitude" that is omnipresent in normal clubs and even in life in general. People are celebrated for who they are, not what they aren't. There are many better ways to explain the above, and more than a few can be found at the FTP site. For a better, blow-by-blow description of what an actual rave is like, please check the FTP site under the media/ directory, and get "image" - it's an article that appeared in the SF Examiner in February 1992, and is perhaps one of the most comprehensive surveys of the rave scene ever to appear in print. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2 What is "techno music" Opinions on this vary greatly, but there are a few ways to distinguish techno from other types of music. Overall, techno is denoted by its slavish devotion to _the_beat_, the use of rhythm as a hypnotic tool. It is also distinguished by being primarily, and in most cases entirely, created by electronic means. It is also noted for its lack of vocals in most cases. Techno also usually falls in the realm of 115-160BPM. There are of course exceptions to every one of these rules, but these guidelines seem to survive the "what about..." test most of the time. There has also been a significant use of samples in techno songs, samples lifted in huge blocks and contributing a large share to a song's popularity. This can be both bad ("Theme to Seseme Street" in Smart E's "Seseme's Treet") or good (Star Trek transporters sampled in Eden Transmission's "I'm So High", giving YOU that transporting feeling) or great (Tears for Fears sampled in Orbital's "Moebius"). This sampling has generated much controversy, and it is the opinion of the author and many others that sampling is okay as long as the sample is not the whole song; "Seseme's Treet" might be an okay song, but if you take away the sample (which was lifted verbatim from the TV show), you don't have much of a song left. "Rave" music has several different forms: [and before we proceed, remember the words of God's personal DJ, Jon Drukman: "abolish labels."] a. House House music is where it all began, when Chicago DJ's started playing around with their Kraftwerk 12"'s with their soul records, and a brand new object called a DRUM MACHINE which they discovered they could use in their set. The steady and clean sound of the house rhythm coupled with uplifting soul vocals gave "house parties" an incredible energy. Please see "jackshouse" on the ftp site for a good example of the mindset of this time... House also uses more piano riffs and generally sounds "happier" than most other forms of music played at raves. Good Samplers: Best of House Music, Vol. 1, 2 (Gotta Have House), and 3 (House Music All Night Long) Aly-us "Follow Me" b. Acid-House Acid-house developed when the Roland 303 and similar drum machines/ synthesizers came out producing the "funky worm" - that VERY distinctive sound (see any "Acid Mix" of any song) that just *sounds* liquid (sorry, that's the best way I can describe it). The sound and the style is linked to use of LSD, but many people (myself included) claim to feel many of the same sensations while listening to acid-house music. Good Samples: House Hallucinations Pump Up the World Vol. 1 Adamski - Liveanddirect c. (Hardcore) Techno The energy building in these parties started getting stronger, and people found comfort in faster, harder-pounding rhythms. As the "rave" progressed from small outdoor setup and small indoor clubs to warehouses, the hardcore sound started appealing to a greater number. The best way I've heard hardcore described is start with Metallica, take away their guitars and real drums and replace it with synths and drum machines. Hardcore is designed to get your body moving by activating your adrenalin (like punk) rather than endorphins(?) (like house). Hardcore has brought a lot of the metal-crowd into dance music, and also reconciled dance parties with the industrial crowd as well. The Originators: Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson. Cybotron. Rhythim is Rhythim. going farther back: Kraftwerk, Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa "Electric Cafe" and "Planet Rock" are de riguer; M/A/R/R/S's "Pump Up The Volume" is important here too. Good Samples: Human Resource - Dominator Also check out: Aphex Twin - Digeridoo or "Only for the Headstrong", a compilation on FFRR d. Breakbeat Breakbeat is symbolized by the use of sped-up hip-hop beat samples. Very often reggae tunes and influence are brought in, to good effect too since most reggae is around 65-80bpm and most breakbeat techno about twice that. Breakbeat is very effective at getting the crowd moving, but its hypnotic effects are somewhat less. Good Sample: Most of anything on Risin' High records. XL Recordings Vol. 3 Any of the Kaos Theory discs. e. Ambient The genre is very well described in Mike Brown's Ambient FAQ available from the ftp site. Basically ambient (or ambient house) is designed to lull your mind through more soothing rhythms and samples. Good Sample: _Anything_ by the Orb. f. Trance Very similar to both ambient and acid-house, trance is softer on the ears and body than most techno, but still keeps you dancing (unlike most ambient, where the effects are more profound if you SIT DOWN and listen). It's designed to try and take you, literally, into another world. Samples speak louder than words: Eden Transmission - "I'm So High" on Exist-Dance. GET IT NOW. Also, "Stella" by Jam 'n Spoon (at least the non-ambient parts) and "Papua New Guinea" by Future Sound of London g. Tribal Tribal is denoted by exactly that - rhythm patterns and sounds which closely mimic Third-World and Native American and other "World Music" styles. The connection between modern-day raving and ancient musical and cultural rituals is thus established, and the dancer can be transported to a more primal self (in theory). Good samples: Studio X - Los Kings Del Mambo, 808 State - Repo Reaper h. Progressive This is the newest and least-well-defined genre; it's based less on sampling, less on wailing divas, and less on hip-hop culture, and more on authentic instruments, haunting melodies, and always around 120-125bpm. There's always a strong beat, and at times it resembled acid jazz. The appelation of "progressive" was given by a music magazine, so many people wouldn't call it that, but so far no other name has come to replace it, and it is fairly different from straight house. This is the most popular music at raves in San Francisco right now. Good examples: "Cry Freedom" by Mombassa, "Mighty Ming" by Brother Love Dubs And to close this "definitions" section: "My main point is that techno comes from somewhere. It was not invented in this scene, nor is it particularly new. One can easily get the impression from the omission of this fact that the contrary is true. Not only is it responsible to acknowledge origins/sources, but other people may want to explore the related types of music that they might not otherwise ever hear about." - Tahl Milburn, tahl@tfs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3 DJing The art of DJing has come full swing in the world of the rave, where the DJ has replaced the live musician as the focal point for an event. The DJ is now regarded at the "conducter" of his "orchestra" of two turntables and a mixer (and maybe a sampler, but that's not necessary). The orchestra's "instruments" are the slabs of vinyl (or aluminum & plastic, in Pete Ashdown's case) that carry the basic grooves and melodies, and it's up to the DJ to ensure that the orchestra plays all their instruments in perfect sync and with a measure of continuity. The DJ must *know* his music, know where the breaks are, know the keys, know the BPM's, to make his/her set come out as perfect as possible. Anyone who says DJ'ing is just spinning records has never tried to do so. DJs often develop a following, and the level of devotion among some is something unseen since the Beatles. (Basically, if you have Garth playing at your event in San Francisco, you can ensure 2000 people will be there, even with VERY minimal flyering - the same holds for Barry Weaver or Doc Martin in LA, or Adam X on the East Coast) Right now information on how to mix is vaporware - if someone would like to contribute something I'd be glad to add it. All I can say is that DJ'ing is one of those things that cannot be taught, it can only be learned by doing, by sitting in front of a pair of turntables for a few months and getting a feel for a pair of 1200's and a mixer, and knowing your records well enough to know where the breaks are, which ones are fast and which are slow, etc. Develop a style. Don't worry about doing fancy hip-hop transformations at first (and hardly anyone does that anymore, anyways) Work on beatmatching - a well beat-matched 90-second segue will always sound better than a stop-one-start-the-other mix. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 Drugs/Smart drinks ****Please note: no one involved in the creation of this FAQ advocates*** ***the consumption of illegal substances at any time. *** Preface: The subject of drugs at raves is very controversial. One wonders whether the rave scene would have been more easily accepted by the public had the presence of drugs not been so high. Of course, many other wonder how raves could have ever come about without them. Drugs, like anything else in the world, are dangerous when used improperly. Please use caution if you do decide to use mind-altering substances, both legal and illegal. You owe it to yourself to gather info before making a choice regarding drugs. You have access to an incredible amount of information on the networks here. USE IT! The reason I am including drug info in the FAQ is not because I think drugs are a necessary part of a rave nor even a significant part of it, but because questions arise on the newsgroup frequently enough to warrent its inclusion. There is a whole newsgroup devoted to drugs - alt.drugs, and any and all questions about drugs at raves are probably more appropriate there than at alt.rave. This information is presented for informational purposes only. a) Smart drinks Smart Drinks are drinks made with nutrients that supply needed precursors and cofactors that your body uses to manufacture neurotransmitters, the chemical messengers that carry impulses in the brain. These neurotransmitters can frequently be depleted by heavy excercise, stress, stimulant drugs, or lack of sleep, and many people report that amino acid/vitamin combo "smart drinks" seem to help. An interesting sidenote to the smart drink story is that a growing body of research seems to indicate that some of the nutrients used in smart drinks may have value in helping people quit cocaine and amphetamines. (Tennant 1985, Geis, Smith and Smith 1986, Hixson 1983, Dackis, Gold 1985, Wyatt, Karoum and Suddath 1988, Sved 1983) This has sadly yet to be fully investigated. Some nutrients used in "smart drinks" include: L-Phenylalanine- An amino acid that is the precursor of tyrosine and hence dopamine and norepinephrine, the main alerting neurotransmitters and those most depleted by stress, stimulant drugs etc. L-Phenylalanine is also the precursor of phenethylamine,a alerting amine thought to modulate libido and agressive behavior. L-Tyrosine-an amino acid and the most direct precursor of norepinephrine and dopamine.This is the nutrient most used in recovery. Choline(trimethylaminoethanol)- A B-complex vitamin that your body uses to manufacture acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter involved in the formation and recall of memories. DMAE- (dimethylaminoethanol)- A B-complex nutrient that is used,like choline, to manufacture acetylcholine in the body. DMAE is found in large quantities in fish, and this is thought to be why people have always thought of fish as "brain food". In addition to fish,other natural foods that are high in "smart nutrients" include soy products, almonds and other nuts, brewers yeast, some fruits, and chocolate. Two herbs that also have been associated with smart nutrition are Ginko biloba and Siberian (eluthero) ginseng. (Many thanks to Chris Beaumont, ) b) Ecstasy The following is compiled from the Info-E flyers distributed around the Bay Area. * Methylenedi-what?? * The chemical name for Ecstasy is "methylenedioxymethamphetamine," or MDMA for short. It is created in laboratories through an elaborate scientific process. First patented in 1914 by the Merck Co. of Germany, its human use only goes back to the early 1970s, when it was used recreationally and therapeutically. Therapists found MDMA helped people to bring out their true feelings in a peaceful and open manner, and they used it that way, quite legally, for many years. In the mid-80s it exploded into the nightclub scene in Texas, and was promptly banned. * What the government did * In 1985, MDMA was declared illegal in the United States. Despite the objections of scientists, doctors, and even judges, it was placed along with marijuana, LSD and heroin on Schedule I, a classification of drugs with no recognized medicaluuse and high abuse potential. Although therapeutic use is no longer leatl, it continues to be used recreationally and socially. * The multifaceted jewel * Ecstasy catalyzes a powerful experience that takes many different forms. It can provoke an intense, energetic, spiritual high or lead to warm, loving relaxation. It can connect people freely and openly with each other or promote deep inner thinking and analysis. Sensual yet not necessarily sexual, beautiful and sometimes dangerous, Ecstasy covers a wide range of human emotions, experiences, and passions. What you put into it is what you get out, so be sure to explore the many facets of the experience. * Those little annoying side effects * Although some people say it has no side effects, Ecstasy is not the perfect drug. Users have reported a variety of mild physical symptoms such as jaw clenching, teeth grinding, eye wiggles, tightened muscles, sweating, chills, increased heart rate, blood pressure and body temperature, auditory effects, nausea, shaking, and next-day sleepiness. Occasionally it can cause toxic reactions in people with asthma, heart conditions, diabetes, epilepsy, psychosis, or depression. Remember, Ecstasy is a power drug. Treat it -- and your body -- with respect. * As time passes ... * Myths abound concerning Ecstasy's effects after repeated usage. Most claims (such as that it causes Parkinson's disease or drains spinal fluid) actually refer to other drugs or common misconceptions. Although scientists suspect some nerve terminal damage and neurotransmitter depletion in the brain based on animal research, the true long term effects and implications remain a mystery until further human research becomes legal. By avoiding the temptation to use Ecstasy too frequently, you can lessen the risk and have more fun. * Less is more * An active dose of Ecstasy depends on one's body weight, sensitivity, and prior use. A typical "hit" contains 75-125 milligrams. Over 175 milligrams increase side effects for many users. Taking a larger dose does not necessarily mean a better experience -- it may be more "speedy," but less ecstatic. * Some tips for Ecstasy users * > Drink lots of water to replenish body fluids. > From time to time, stop dancing and chill for a while. Take deep breaths and relax. > Maintain a healthy lifestyle outside the raves: eat a balanced diet, take vitamins, and get plenty of sleep. > Remember: Less is more. Large or frequent doses can increase the side effects without adding to the experience. > Integrate what you've learned. Think about your thoughts and feelings and try to apply them to real life. > Much of what is sold as Ecstasy is not pure MDMA. Be cautious of what you buy and who you buy from. Impurities may include amphetamine, LSD, heroin, or PCP. > Alcohol can reduce or change the effects of Ecstasy, and the combination can cause undesired effects. * Stay informed * Useful facts about drugs can be hard to find among the anti-drug hype. Here are some excellent references: `Ecstasy: The MDMA Story' by Bruce Eisner (Ronin Press) contains a good overview of the history, effects, use, science and politics of MDMA. Try asking your local bookstore to order it. `PIHKAL: A Chemical Love Story' by Ann & Alexander Shulgin (Transform Press) is a novel about psychedelic chemicals and experiences, including MDMA. `Xochi Speaks', a full-color educational poster and booklet, provides practical info on MDMA and eleven other psychedelic substances. Send a stamped, self-addressed envelope to Lord Nose!, P.O. Box 170473R, San Francisco, CA 94117. The Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) funds scientific research on MDMA and has publications available about MDMA and other psychedelic drugs. Write to MAPS, 1801 Tippah Ave., Charlotte, NC 28205. (thanks to brad ulmo for typing it in.) Concatenated info on LSD, Ketamine, and Nitrous would be graciously appreciated - submit them to bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu Again, folx, let's remember that raves are NOT about taking drugs. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5 The visuals Visual effects are one of the most important parts of the rave, but not always essential. Sometimes the best parties have only a strobe light, if even that much. On the other end of the spectrum are the 200-ft wide, screens drenched with projection, the 10-watt green lasers bouncing off the disco balls giving the effect of laser rain, the miles of flourescent tubing, the computer graphics which can blow your mind away... it's a very large part of the "mindfuck" factor of raves. Live visuals have been used since the 60's at concerts, using overhead projectors and oil-and-water setups. Those are sometimes still used - and rotating color wheels in front of the projection beam can really add to the overall "trippyness". Strobes - $19.99 at yer local Radio Shack. Cheap, but effective. "Mind Machines" are seldom much more than small strobes with varying speeds that you wear inside glasses - but the effect of stroboscopic light near the refresh speed (or half your refresh speed, or a quarter, etc) of your eye can be quite hallucinatory. You could probably build your own Mind Machine for less than 10 dollars. Computer graphics - there are a couple of programs available as freeware over the net that would be right at home at a rave. One is called Fractint, available at the usual big MS-DOS archives, that draws fractals and can color-cycle them. VERY trippy. A less-well known feature of Fractint is the ability to take ANY GIF and color-cycle it, which is DEFINITELY trippy (try a rose). Another one is called "Acid Warp", available at the FTP site, which is less user-controllable but very pleasant nonetheless. Both run solely on DOS machines - if anyone is aware of freeware autonomous graphics programs for the Mac or Amiga, let me know. The "big guys" all seem to really like Amigas - I see Digital Media truck them out at every rave I go to. Various companies have sprung up developing "mindfuck" videos for raves - one amongst them being Hyperdelic Video. They combine everything from cartoons to computer graphics to video feedback, and edit them together in a frantic pace, often at 135 bpm so as to closely match the music. Sometimes they will bring in a live mixing board and edit the videos real-time. Advances in projection technology have also helped bring the imagery to remote locations - a new single-tube projector from Sharp is extremely compact and lightweight and can be set up outside, just about anywhere. For the Mac, there's a program called "FlowFazer" which is not freeware nor shareware but still comes highly recommended. If you are looking to arrange your own visuals for an event, I suggest you make ANOTHER trip to Radio Shack and pick up "The Mind's Eye", a fantastic collage of computer graphics, in the $25 range. Absolutely incredible looking. Also, some local contacts for lighting: San Francisco - Weird Blinking Lights (contact: sykerax@cats.ucsc.edu) 415-252-9234 Digital Media - 2-1645 East Cliff Drive, Santa Cruz, CA 95062 voxphone 408.476.8464 faxphone 408.479.4196 Books - "Cyberarts -- exploring art & technology" edited by Linda Jacobsen (Miller Freeman Inc, ISBN 0-87930-253-4) (other contacts from anywhere welcome) Liquid Oil Projections - (thanks to Chris Beaumont, ) A widely available overhead projector may be used to project kinetic liquid projections.. :ambient effect.. Use a overhead projector with bottom lighting,preferably with a quartz-halogen lamp. Put a dimmer on the main power, and if you can, add a supplemetal fan to insure adequate ventilation. Mask off the edges of the stage, place the dishes (old glass clockfaces) on top (a small one in a larger one) and add the water and oil based dyes, usually just to the space between the two dishes. For oil dye, I use Keystone anilyne dyes, and for water, I use photo retouching colors.. 91% alcohol can be added to the water solutions to enable the water based liquids to become darker as they evaporate. For clear oil, of course clear mineral oil. With the colors,you'll learn less is more. Then you're ready to go, turn up the dimmer slightly and focus. Mask off the edges of the screen area, remembering to cover the edges of the screen-area as much as possible...Are your dyes ready? Then turn the overhead up and BLOB-O-RAMA!!!... Remember..easy does it... Good luck! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6 Creating techno music a. E-quipment Roland produced a series of electronic instruments in the early 80's all with three character names. There's the 101 synth, the 303 bass line sequencer (popular for acid house), the 505 drum machine (the 505 is one of the first drum machines to use PWM samples for creation of drum sounds) there's a 707 drum machine and the 727 . the 727 features latin noises instead of the normal drum kit (miami sound machine uses alot of 727 sounds. listen for them if you can stand it) the 808 drum machine has that big beautiful whooooommmmmm kick associated with early house (not to mention drippy sustained highhat noises and snares). the 909 is a midiable pounding drum machine, it kicks. it's used in hardcore techno; the majority of hardcore bands I've seen live have a simple 3 part setup, some sort of sampler workstation/sequencer hooked up to a 909 and then the 909 syncs the 303. some even bring a dat machine along for backing tracks. **** there is a MC.202. it is a microcomposer that means that you can program songs into it. it saves to tape. it has sync in/out/through as well as CV/gate in and out. why do i know? because i have one. very small keys (like rubber buttons.) also it makes some of the best bass sounds. comparable to nothing. the circuitry in it produces a rounder sound than the 303 (squelchy) and the 101 (noisy) NJOI and prodigy have stuff that is either a MIDIed 202 or altogether something. in live in manchester, they say, marky on the bassline, and it goes, BBBommeee. that is it. liam howlett used it in everybody's in the place... the famous bassline there is a 606. it syncs with the 303 (they were made for each other) and it is also called a drumatix. same size as a 303. real electronic sounds also, there is a 626, it is midi and it has latin percussion. after the 505. and the 929. latin version of the 909. midi also, you need to talk about the sh-0X series there is the sh-01, sh-07, and the sh-09 off hand. the sh-09 has similar circuitry to the 808., the sh-01 is like the sh101 but with different organization. big and clunky. you can switch from white to pink noise generation/ and there is the modular system series. the system 100-m, the system 500-m (?) and the system 700-m (?) a bunch of modules of filters and oscillators that you can patch cord together and control with a cv/gate controller keyboard that is full size keep in mind that the 101 and sh-01 is a half size synth. the 303 has buttons that are this size [ ] [_] ___ and the 202 buttons are this size [ ] [___] i have the sh101, mc202, and tb303 also, the set up for the typical 3 piece is not a three piece. try 4 909 master controller. using a sysex command MIDI to sampler (cybersonik used an akai s950) MIDI to 707. additional percussion MIDI (sync out) used the sync out into the 303 so it is on beat. (sync in cv/gate out) sync and cv/gate and midi are all three different systems. the pin jack on a 303 is not the same as a MIDI jack. looks like it but guess again. got it? **** well the basic set-up is any computer that can be plugged into some drivers including keyboard, drum machine, sampler, sequencer, and fm modulators. NeXTS and Macs seem to be the choice, although the new atari falcon (believe it or not) is going to kick, largely because it has dedicated sound and video chips, so the cpu can be used for everything else. i could go on, and i will if you want - here's a list of products korg wave station yamaha sy77 and sy99 roland 808 (hence 808 state's name) the M-1 the prophet (going back to kraftwerk) hey - i'll just go check the midi studio i do my work in. software by opcode programming language for non graphic writing: lisp, and or c. **** cheap means: $14.99 at target. this can also be found at your favorite toy store. it is called a voice changer. it is like a megaphone, but you have three different switches on it: alien, ghost, and robot. the alien is a pitch up and down with robotic distortion the ghost is a pitch up with the robotic distortion the robot is a pitch down with the robotic distortion. resembles the cylon out of battlestar galatica. i am surprised i found this this cheap. >> LOADS OF FUN!!! i am taking all of the handles and the cheesy plastic case off and just utilizing the circuitry to make my mixer w/built in effects. with a robot effect on a 909, guess what pounds the fuck out of your head god, it is amazing.... sines **** > taylor and i are having fun devising new and fucked ways of wiring this to > that and applying this thing to that, etc\ Cool, maybe you two can come over to my place and figure out how to get my EPS to talk SCSI to my Macintosh. > we are interested to hear about what you are doing in your > bedroom too. I do most of my music stuff in my garage. What happens in my bedroom is my own business. As far as music equipment goes, the best investment I've made in the past year was in an Emu Procussion -- the ultimate drum machine. It has tons of drum sounds, from heavy metal to jazz to house to techno to tribal, with very flexible programming capabilities. (And it's midi too.) My second-best investment was in Alchemy, which has an incredibly useful constant-pitch time-shifting feature. i.e. You can take a 90 bpm drum loop and speed it up to 130 bpm without changing its pitch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 7 Other rave-related mailing lists (for discussion about upcoming events, etc. Some lists can be VERY chatty) and resources. a. Regional lists: San Francisco and the Bay Area: sfraves-request@soda.berkeley.edu (list admin: bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu) North/East United States: ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu (list admin: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu) Southern California: socal-raves-request@ucsd.edu (list admin: jvance@einstein.oac.uci.edu) University of Maryland-centric: mail cyberpun@wam.umd.edu United Kingdom - uk-raves@orbital.demon.co.uk (to get on, send mail to listserv@orbital.demon.co.uk, with the line 'subscribe uk-rave ', with your real name, not your e-mail address.) South East US (digest) - mail dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu Mid-West US (digest) - mail ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Florida - requests to steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu KLF/Orb & related : klf-request@asylum.sf.c.us (list admin: lazlo@triton.unm.edu) b. BPM list - for discussions about DJ'ing, mixing, music, etc. bpm-request@andrew.cmu.edu c. USENET newsgroups: alt.rave - for discussions about the rave scene ALL OVER THE WORLD rec.music.synth - more exact information about how to create electronic music d. Alt.rave Image Site: regular readers of alt.rave are encouraged to scan in photos of themselves and/or flyers to raves and store them at the directory pub/incoming/pictures/alt.rave on the FTP site at cs.uwp.edo. Upon approval by the maintainer of the site, Mike Brown , they will be moved to pub/music/pictures/alt.rave and be available for anonymous FTP. Get the README file in that directory for more info. e. KLF info archives are available at asylum.sf.ca.us, under pub/klf. f. If you are on a machine that supports outbound telnet, then do this: telnet haas.berkeley.edu 7283 This should kick you into the online Virtual Rave (assuming the system is up, of course). The site has seen a LOT of action recently.... it's basically just a chat system, a lot like IRC, but you don't need a client to run it. Join us! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 8 Techno music stores Australia - "Central Station" Stores : Adelaide, 32 Twin St., (08) 232 1202 Brisbane, Brunswick Station, (07) 257 1283 Darlinghurst, 46 Oxford St, (02) 361 5159 Prahran, 336 Chapel St, (03) 529 4697 Melbourne, 340 Flinders St, (03) 629 8064 Bloomington, IN - Ozarka Music & Video - 212 South Indiana Avenue Boulder, Colorado - Wax Trax -used to be with the Wax Trax label of Chicago, but not anymore -they take up a whole block on 13th Street - 4 seperate stores. -Store 1 (latest imports & domestics, white labels too): 638 E. 13th St. 303.831.7246 -Store 4 (Compact Discs) 626 E. 13th St. 303.831.1402 -In Boulder: 1220 Pennsylvania Ave. 303.939.8658 Dallas, Texas - Autobahn Records - (214) 522-4674 Houston, Texas - megazone 713-520-1603 andre who is usually the dj @ houston raves, also works at the store. he looks about 12 yrs. old (his nickname is little boy), he takes crack and is a general asshole. he is also one of the best djs in houston. megazone gets the absolute latest in underground rave records. noo beat 713-526-6544 megazone's main competitor. nice people. lots of out-of-print 12"s (most at exorbitant prices eg. until december is $70). also lots of techno/rave but not as obscure as megazone. more mainstream. record rack 713-524-3602 houston's longest-standing dj specialty shop owned by new wave legend bruce godwin. all in-print domestic and foreign major label 12"s, including a nice selection of recent techno. expensive. last resort only. Los Angeles, CA - Street Sounds - 7751 Melrose Ave. - (213) 651-0630 D.M.C. - 7621 1/2 Melrose Ave. - (213) 651-3520 Beat Non Stop - 7262 Melrose Ave. - (213) 930-2121 Prime Cuts - 7758 Santa Monica Blvd. - (213) 654-8251 Record Reaction - 3226 East Broadway, Long Beach - 1-800-362-3735 Michigan - Record Time - 25110 Gratiot at 10 mile (10 miles north of Detroit city center) Roseville MI phone 313.775.1550 fax 313.775.5830 New Orleans, LA. - Spice Records (on Edenborn) Pittsburgh, PA - Turbo-Zen Records 128 Oakland Ave (Corner of Forbes & Oakland in the heart of Oakland) (412) 621-7759 San Jose, CA - Underground Records - 408.286.8803 San Francisco, CA House Music - 593 Haight Street (@ Steiner) - 415-626-6995 BPM - 1141 Polk St., SF - 415-567-0276 Toronto, Ontario - The CD Bar - 281 Queen St. W., Toronto, Ont. M5V 1Z9 tel- (416) 977-6863; fax- (416) 977-6865 Play De Record - 357A Yonge Street, Toronto Ontario M5B 1S4 telephone: 416 586 0380 facsimile: 416 586 0418 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 9 Techno music radio shows Adelaide, Australia MMM-FM, 93.7 FM, Tuesday night 10-12 - DJ Georgina Boston, Massachusetts Check out Tim Hazlett on WZBC (90.3) Tuesdays 6-7pm Chicago, Illinois Club Mix (mostly Techno) - WHPK 88.5FM - every Friday from 10pm-midnight (really short for such cool music). District of Columbia WHFS (99.1) plays a techno show called "Mutant Dance Party" on Saturday nights at 10.00pm. Houston, Texas 104.1 krbe the top 40 station... new music zone from 7-12 on weekdays, plays very mainstream techno ie 2 unlimited, the movement, messiah... occasionally (very occasionally) deep house... 91.7 ktru rice radio station... saturday nights there is a techno show... never listened to it before, because i assume it sucks... Melbourne, Australia 3RRR-FM 102.7 tel: 4192066 Sunday 6am-9am 'E Thrust' 10pm-2am 'Beat on the Street' 3PBS-FM 106.7 tel: 5372433 Saturday 10pm-12am 'independant dance' - good Wednesday 10pm-12am 'TECHNO-dance' - very good 3WRB-FM 97.4 tel: 3649755 Saturday 12pm-4pm - usually 3wrb has some of the best TECHNO Friday 8pm-12am and dance music playing 3ZZZ-FM 92.3 tel: 6623923 Tuesday 12am-2am New Orleans, LA. WTUL 91.5fm Thur Nites "Techno Show" 8-11pm Pittsburgh, PA. WRCT Pittsburgh 88.3 FM Monday 3 to 5 pm - Happy Fun Ball - Marcus - techno Wed 6 to 8 pm - Annihilating Rhythm - Simon - techno, house, tribal Thurs 6 to 8 pm - My Life in the 808 State - DJs Guile and Beer Fri 6 to 8 pm - Energy Addiction - Brian - new wave, techno Fri 8 to 12 am - Live...Period - The Techno Terrorists-techno,rave Santa Barbara, California - KCSB, 91.9FM Monday nights 10pm - midnight - DJ Andre Lucero, others... San Francisco/Bay Area, California KZSU (90.1) Tuesday techno - noon to 3 - guest DJ's (in the past, Spun and Rick Preston) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 Rave "Fashion" San Francisco/Bay Area, California Ameba - 1732 Haight St. - 415-750-9368 Housewares - 1322 Haight - 415-252-1440 (send me your stores - try to keep it to specialty stores, pick the two best ones from your area) XXL T's Fresh-Jive/Raw-Vibe et al Plays on popular logo T's (like "Dope" printed in the Dole logo, Ecstacy printed in the Pepsi logo, Kool Rave printed in the Kool Aid logo, etc.) This would be a good place to include more stuff on whistles and other toys. cotton caps wool hats "theme" costumes (we don't get much of that in CO - like Dr. Seuss) thin cotton hooded T's baggy, comfortable, bright and hapy colors and logos and d,esigns etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 Appendix I - true Frequently-Asked-Questions - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - a. Who cut the disc with the samples: "Did I dream... you dreamed about me?" "Did I dream... you dreamed about me?" AND: Richard Dawson (from "the Running Man" '87 schwartzenegger flick) saying: "IT'S TIME TO START RUNNING!" ANSWER: "Temple of Dreams" by Messiah The vocal samples are from This Mortal Coil - Song to the Siren and there are also Bronski Beat samples. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - b. Question: I like The Orb, and I keep hearing about a band called Orbital. Are they related? Will I like Orbital's music? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Answer: No and not neccessarily, respectively. Orbital are Paul and Phil Hartnoll (brothers), who have no connection whatsoever with The Orb. As far as I know, no collaborations or remix projects have taken place between the two. Should your local record store tell you that Orbital are The Orb's dance badge (I heard it said once) beat them around the head with a suitable record deck. Orbital's music is not ambient in The Orb sense, nor is it really techno or house. Some put them under the progressive-house label, but they seem to be one of those bands that don't fit in a pigeonhole. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - c. "I need CD compilation suggestions!" Please FTP over to soda.berkeley.edu under /pub/sfraves/music. Enough there to bust H. Ross Perot's Gold Card. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - d. Guru (mei172@cch.cov.ac.uk) is NOT Guru Josh. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Thank you, and good night. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: the death of dave kendall Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 18:27:48 EST he is not really dead, but you will be happy to know that i have it from insider intertainment connections that dave kendall is out, over, fini, gone, history, ex, and for evermore exiled from 120 minutes. yeah!!!!!!!!! it is truly a good day. chuck revar@aol.com sick of his bad hair piece, bad accent and terrible interviews. I want kevin seal back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 20:57:48 EST From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Re: XTC on MTV (And LSD, PCP, IOU and R2D2!) :) - LSD is another drug that many people took with no ill effects while -some others suffered permanent and debilitating side effects. Those side effects were most likely psychological effects, not physical ones. And they probably came from people who didn't know how to use the tool they were playing with. LSD was a psychiatric drug. Ergo, you can screw up your head with it if you're not careful. If they got a physical side effect, it was probably not LSD. Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu - Buffalo, New York - USA (On Dec. 10th, I will be moving permanently to the address salsbury@netcom.com The address is functional now, though, if you wish to send mail there instead.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 21:12:28 EST From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Re: XTC on MTV -Alcohol is the #1 killer of brain cells, followed by nitrous. LSD has -never been proven to kill any brain cells. Ooops! BZZZZT! Sorry, Brian... Nitrous doesn't kill brain cells. I been doing a lotta reading on it, and it's an anesthetic. It DOESN"T cut off oxygen to the brain, it DOESN'T stay in your cells for a long time, and it DOESN'T cause any permanent damage. There's a lot of talk going on over alt.drugs about this now. Nitrous Oxide goes into your cells, does whatever it does, and comes back out. No binding up oxygen molecules, no binding to sites that oxygen normally binds to, etc. It doesn't bind with anything! It's some sort of catalyst, and comes out unchanged, and not used up. (That's why people can "rebreathe" it in balloons a few times.) No one quite knows HOW it works, because we don't know how ANY anesthetic works...we just know they work. Read alt.drugs. It's informative. :) -There is a TON of good information on these chemicals available at the -alt.rave FTP site. (soda.berkeley.edu, under /pub/sfraves/chemistry). -Please understand I am NOT advocating its use - in fact I am of the -opinion that MDMA is something you can do once and never need again to -continue to enjoy - kinda like reading a really GOOD book. - -I would most strongly recommend picking up the FAQ's, and the file called -info-e. ...also check out the alt.drugs FTP site at ftp.u.washington.edu "Just the FAQs, Ma'am..." ;) ->Betsy -Brian Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu - Buffalo, New York - USA (On Dec. 10th, I will be moving permanently to the address salsbury@netcom.com The address is functional now, though, if you wish to send mail there instead.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 21:49:32 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: the death of dave kendall Aw, gee. Without Dave Kendall, who can we whine about?!?! My favorite moment of recent weeks was when the guys from Pearl Jam came on, introduced themselves, and one said 'Did you know you can say "penis" on television?' Switch to Kendall in the studio. Saith he: 'I'm not a penis, but I play one on television.' No kidding. I have this on tape. Dave Kendall, the Russell Harty of the 1990s. I hope his future career as a bouncer and part-time writer for Melody Maker goes well . . . [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1992 21:49:32 -0800 From: Fred Heutte Subject: Re: the death of dave kendall Aw, gee. Without Dave Kendall, who can we whine about?!?! My favorite moment of recent weeks was when the guys from Pearl Jam came on, introduced themselves, and one said 'Did you know you can say "penis" on television?' Switch to Kendall in the studio. Saith he: 'I'm not a penis, but I play one on television.' No kidding. I have this on tape. Dave Kendall, the Russell Harty of the 1990s. I hope his future career as a bouncer and part-time writer for Melody Maker goes well . . . [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 26 Nov 92 05:13:11 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (i am on a sugar high) Subject: Re: the death of dave kendall Did you also know that I know someone who works for MTV on the staff of 120 minutes, and on one taping they all made fun of his rug, beacuse it was 2/3rd of the way off his head... What gets me is that you'll see him wear a different hairpiece depending on what bands he's covering that week. geesh. The week he did REM he had a curly one, two weeks later a straight one.. So much for his hair(what?)stylist. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 26 Nov 92 05:13:11 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (i am on a sugar high) Subject: Re: the death of dave kendall Did you also know that I know someone who works for MTV on the staff of 120 minutes, and on one taping they all made fun of his rug, beacuse it was 2/3rd of the way off his head... What gets me is that you'll see him wear a different hairpiece depending on what bands he's covering that week. geesh. The week he did REM he had a curly one, two weeks later a straight one.. So much for his hair(what?)stylist. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Fri, 27 Nov 92 15:07:56 EST Subject: RavinBran pre-ravette tonite... _Goldon_Boy is having a pre-ravette at his place tonite before, heading out to Ravin Bran, Body Release will chilling out over there too. if anybody like to get to his place give a call @ (216) 228 - 3389 for directions. peace, TAREQ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1992 19:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: James Vincent Schultz Subject: Re: The Ne-Raves Techno Club List Excerpts from mail.rave: 20-Nov-92 The Ne-Raves Techno Club List > Baltimore -- > Fri. Citrus Club Does anyone know about this place? A phone number would be very nice. I'm sitting around Baltimore waiting for Quaker Rave, and I'd like to get warmed up. -- \,/ | James Schultz | "MSINI alumni never die -- -<*>- | Carnegie Mellon University | they just telnet in" /`\ | js3b+@andrew.cmu.edu | [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: anybody out there? Date: Fri, 27 Nov 92 21:02:00 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) lot of dead air on this line lately... i'm going to be flying into N.Y. on the 26th, and wil be attending Revelation. anyone else going? i hear it could be breathtaking. give a callout if you're going so we can hook up. also- i'm going to be staying with Ciamac untilthe 29th or so. but I don't want to leave then! i've never been to N.Y., and i want to get as much time there as possible before I have to come back to Boston on the 3rd (i thought i'd take a bus...). Can anyone who lives in N.Y. or it's surrounding regions put me up for a couple of days, and show me how to get around to raves, shopping, etc.? any help at all would be really, really , really appreciated. thanx u munch, munch, munch. q8^) lovE, pEacE, E...ravE!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "To achieve ravelightenment is to live in the most blissful of consciousnesses" S H A L A K O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << SHALAKO >> shannon coEn << technokachina >> sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 28 Nov 92 03:12 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Quaker Rave-PreParty? I wanted to know if anything has been finalized on the Quaker Rave/Pre-Party on November 28th here in Washington, DC. Does anyone know the location? The DJs? Also, any info on the PreParty would be appreciated. I'm definitely going and I'm pretty sure Rob Campanell is also. Hope to see everyone there! _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: ne-raves stickers Date: Fri, 27 Nov 92 22:48:39 EST i designed some stickers that have two people in vr suits(one black and one yellow) with thier outstretched pointer fingers touching that say ne-raves cybertribe. they look dope if i do say so myself and I want to get them printed but it costs about $200 for 1000 high quality 2 color stickers which i am willing to front if people will buy some of them at cost. 5/$1.00 or 30 stickers for $5 bucks(i lose money, but fuck it) if people are into it, i will do it. so send me a message. and I could also to shirts but that will require prepaid orders of $10. thanks for your support, stickering the world will give ne-raves more clout if we want to do a party in the near future. hint-hint! chuck revar@aol.com designing the future [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: METAMORPHOSIS 12/5/92 Boston Date: Sat, 28 Nov 92 2:31:59 EST FLASH! I just received this flyer tonight from one of the Digital Deviants. (What else have Voltage Productions done? Anything?) BTW, after typing in this one rave flyer, I now have some idea of the amount of work Laura must put into Rave-O-Matic. Super Kudos, this ain't easy on a dumb terminal! Maybe in a few years we'll all have graphics and enough bandwidth to scan these... Just for fun, if you go to this rave as a result of reading this, could you please let me know? Thanks. -Ed aka djSLIP ------------------lock---------on---------target------------------ Saturday, December 5 METAMORPHOSIS Boston info (617) - 364 - 9572 or beep (617) - 765 - 5649 VOLTAGE PRODUCTIONS presents METAMORPHOSIS Saturday, December 5, 1992 11 - Sunrise CHARGED DJ's ADAM X MAYHEM Storm and Direct Drive Records Rise JIMMY CRASH OVERLOAD Storm and Direct Drive Records Maine MARIO DAYZ-X-ONE Mental Unity Tribe Digital Deviants SANDRA COLLINS SURREAL Phoenix & L.A. Underground Providence HEATHER HEATHER SAVAGE Under One Sky Boston AND LIVE APPEARANCES BY DX-13 ULTRA Industrial Strength Records Providence Records TIX: $8 ADVANCE - $12 AT THE DOOR TICKETS Boston Beat Records - (617)561-4790 Allston Beat - Boston - (617)421-9555 Cambridge - (617)868-0316 Allston - (617)254-4420 Providence - (401)454-7050 Shaky Jake's - Worcester - (508)792-1041 Bad Habits - Portland - (207)773-1310 Groove Records - Brooklyn - (718)714-5232 Planet X - New Brunswick - (908)249-0304 Tickets also sold at the Sky High rave in Portland, Maine BUSES Brooklyn - Heather - (718)646-8077 Brooklyn - Chad/Beep - (718)766-6170 Staten Island - Joe - (718)670-3652 Worcester - Joel - (508)792-1041 New Jersey - Beth - (908)442-6316 PROMO Heather Heather Chad-E-Boy Digital Deviants Mental Unity Tribe K.C. & The Sunshine Gang J-L-L [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1992 02:49:45 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: Quaker Rave-PreParty? I don't know of any pre-rave party for Quaker...there is only going to be a handful of UM people going (but I will be!). I spose just look out for NE-Raves and UMRaveCoalition badges... -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1992 11:04:47 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Re: the death of dave kendall Yeah, while Kevin Seal had that smarmy collegiate "I know everything and you suck" attitude that's so prevelant amongst alternative-music-listeners, at least he had a sense of humour, knew more about the music, and wasn't as stupid and annoying as Kendall is. Still, I'd like to see MTV replace him with someone a little more knowledgable...Kendall has made so many atrociously stupid mistakes and pissed off so many bands. While we're on the subject, does anyone know of the origin of the "I'm Dave Kendall/I'm a total idiot" dance tune that came out a while back? I'd love to get a copy of it... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 28 Nov 92 12:32:35 -0500 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu Subject: A Number of Names Last week my brother picked up a mystery box of old DJ records from record time ($5 for 30 'surprises'), and he ended up mainly with some pretty anonymous disco from the late '70s (+ a copy of Boogie Oogie Oogie!), and one record which is really intruiging: it's by a group (?) called A Number of Names with two songs 1. Skitso and 2. Sharevari. The record company is Quality Records out of Ontario CA and it was pressed in 1982. This sounds like some pretty serious techno precursor music, and it even predates Cybotron by 1 year! Does anybody know who made this music, or any thing else about it? - fred fwolf@um.cc.umich.edu - [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: ne-raves stickers Date: Sat, 28 Nov 92 21:22:45 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) that sounds totaly cool! i'll buy stickers, but the t-shirts sound even better! ne-raves cybertribe! lets do it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "To achieve ravelightenment is to live in the most blissful of consciousnesses" S H A L A K O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << SHALAKO >> shannon coEn << technokachina >> sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 28 Nov 1992 22:01:43 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: ne-raves stickers did miss something here? i guess so... stickers? t-shirts? cyber? i'm all for it!! fill me in!!!! thanks! >>taylor909 t r a n c e a c i d a d d i k t [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: ne-raves stickers Date: Sat, 28 Nov 92 21:22:45 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) that sounds totaly cool! i'll buy stickers, but the t-shirts sound even better! ne-raves cybertribe! lets do it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "To achieve ravelightenment is to live in the most blissful of consciousnesses" S H A L A K O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << SHALAKO >> shannon coEn << technokachina >> sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1992 00:09:53 -0500 From: Digital Druid Subject: attn. music futurists... Hey there...I remember a few years back I was noticing how dance music was the most dynamic form of music...each week it kept changing slightly. This was back with house I suppose, and I though to myself..hmmm what will the next big step be...I bet they will increase the bpms...yeah. Well I was unaware that techno was evolving while I though that... Which leads me to think this again...there are pieces that are in the 160 bpm range and up, so I doubt techno will get much faster, what next? Is there going to be a regression (although that sounds negative, and it's not) to house/120 bpm stuff? Will different music be integrated with current techno? What will happen? Are there any other people out there that speculate like me? Gil "raveless tonight :( " Digital Druid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 01:40:15 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: Re: attn. music futurists... REPLY TO 11/28/92 23:23 FROM cyberpun@wam.umd.edu "Digital Druid": attn. music futurists... a long time ago when i first started listening to punk (that]s somewhere between 2nd & 3rd generation nyc) i thought eventually you would be able to do away with the vocals and it would just be a guitar, drum fest. well, that kinda happened with random people getting up and screaming or what have you. if you]ve ever seen ptv, they do a lot of this stuff. i dunno if it will ever catch on. personally i]m hoping for a rediscovery of soul & motown and keep thinking the next big thing will be sitting around a coffee shop with a dj all night talking and the dj]s job will be to create a canvas of sound using anything in the 0- (@ the outside) 130bpm range, usually locked in to 90-120 stuff. i keep hoping it will be jazzy and jaques cousteouy at the same time, like haunting trumpet solos over sort of bubbly under-water sounding computer noises. - stuf thats very relaxing and conducive to deep-thoughting. but i]ve been known to be wrong..... like when i bet on mondale. oh well. {B)= (beret, shades, and goatee) To: cyberpun@wam.umd.edu cc: NE-RAVES@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: The Rave in Chicago tonight Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 03:52:23 -0600 From: psd1@midway.uchicago.edu I posted this to mw raves, and realize that Chicago is a bit out of the realm covered by this list, but thought some of you might want to discuss this (plus, the list has been moderately quiet recently) =) : One of tonight's three (11/28/92: Deliverance, Animotion Razamataz, and some radio-station semi-rave thing) raves in Chicago was busted... The time was 12:30ish, and things were really great at Animotion, a lot of people were there, it was not too aboveground, the lights were just a couple of strobes and some color beams which were used with discretion. The mixing was great, and it was really warming up! I had been talking to one of the people near the nitrous tanks (none was being sold, 4 undercover police officers had been seen) and he refused to sell any nitrous to any of the many people who asked for some due to "respect" for all the ravers, and not wanting to get the place busted. In short, it seemed a legal event, which was quite GOOD! Suddenly (I was near the dj) the dj starts a long loop, and unplugs his earplugs, then he fades the music out, and people start murmering, "bust, bust." There's a semi-rush for the door, and people all head for their cars. My friend and I drove over to the place tickets were set to be sold (from 10pm-1am, this was 12:45 or so) and found that the people who had sold us our tickets were gone, and people were still around looking to buy tickets (I did save about 3 people from sticking around by telling them it was off) My questions are: 1) I realize that in paying the price for the ticket you include the risk, but I figure that some sort of refund was in order, more likely a free entry to the next event by this promoter (Mr Happy, Peter Purex, and Turbo) [a side note: Purex' last event (Pulse) was so over-sold that they started refusing entry at the door like some club or something] However, my friend and I began thinking, since they took our tix, what proof did we have that we actually bought 2 tickets besides the direction sheet that they gave out... Any promoters: how do you usually handle this? 2) I tried calling the phone # just to see what was going on, and received nothing (more like, silence, followed by a humming, and finally a static discharge) and thought that at least an apology message could be given... 3) I was enjoying the rave a great deal, and am more p*ssed off at the police for busting an apparently legitimate rave, (admittedly, I had seen some beer bottles outside, but that was largely because some newbies were there and probably figured drinking was part of the scene) but still think that two in a row bad events are reason to give some thought to attending another Purex event If he or a friend of his reads this mailing list, please feel free to respond via e-mail... Pratik Dave [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 10:54:56 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in a manner of speaking) Subject: Re: ne-raves stickers I'll buy a few at cost! What's the design like? -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 10:57:17 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in a manner of speaking) Subject: Re: METAMORPHOSIS 12/5/92 Boston DX-13 may not be playing at all... Sava (the promotor) can't get them. Of course, this leaves me between a rock and a hard place. I'd like to stay in boston and support the local scele; at the same time I'd like to go to explorer I and see Lenny Dee.. Considering that noone from boston is going to Explorer I now. I don't know what I"m going to do.. Taylor: They're looking for a band; wanna play boston? :) -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 11:22:15 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Burning Chrome) Subject: Sky High; Portland *REVIEW* Just got back (just this second) from Sky High in Portland,ME. Another excellent rave from the people that put on The MayDay Rave(long time ago) Pure(even less of a long time ago), and Recently, Crusade.. Kris owns Zoots in Portland, practically the only alternative club in the entire city; Most of Maine is used to coming from all over hell to Zoots because , since maine is so boring, it's the only thing to do.. So the majority of people at this rave were your college-radio station types , and the post-industrial kiddies. It did have a decent amount of ravers, supplied mostly by Boston, and NYC. I even got to meet a bunch of Canadian ravers/ Ne-Ravers! Nice meeting you! It was great. even if I forgot to get chocolate covered E-beans from you. Sky High was held in an indoor Warehouse, which is used for a Marina. Kris tells me he's got permits for everything, food, drink, sales permits (to allow the selling of hats and smart drinks and all that wonderful stuuf). Dave Mayer from BigFunHouse was there selling Hats, most of the X-Cubes (tiny girls who, according to djm@progress "boogie like mad, non stop") and most of the NYC raver people. Suprising because most of the music was house and not the usual hardcore offered by NYC's Storm. [ Then again, the X-Cubes will go anywhere for a rave...] For Kicks, we decided to bring all our laser equiptment down there and set up in the smaller room (god, if it wasn't for the boat in the smaller rom we could of had a HUGE rave in that room.. ) the main room was 10,000 Sq Ft. and had large speakers on all Corners of the dance floor with at least another 3,000 sq ft left to walk about, watching the projections on the projection TV, (wierd flims of other raves.. people were walking around with video cameras, and I think they were shoving the freshly created tapes into the projection TV, because I saw people I knew a couple times on screen..) The Smaller room was freezing cold , but they were showing fractels on another projection TV,and they had real bathrooms off of the smaller room. (a luxury not often seen while raving!) The over all vibe was GREAT. We only had one problem all night with a couple of jocko types that tried to fuck with us, because I guess they thought we were on drugs, screaming things like "You assholes, burning out your brain cells".. Fancy that. I'm the one getting the CS degree, and they're the ones that are probably still struggling through Basic Math and an economics degree. It nearly ended up in a fight, but they walked off... Sometimes people don't understand what raves are for, it's too bad we have to have such negative people at raves. Not as good as Life ( last rave I went to ) But light shows and live bands don't make a rave any better. What's important is that people enjoy themselves, it doesn't get busted and there's a good vibe. Sky High offered all of this and then some. Right before I left, Kris took me out to the back of the marina, and showed me the closed off room (50,000 SQ FT) where they keep the boats in the winter. It exits out to the water, when a rear door is opened. He's going to use this in the summer to have gigantic raves, and the Police force in Portland, ME LIKE RAVING. I even saw an officer kinda bouncing about while on detail. How's that for a good venue? The police department is right infront of the marina as well! --John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: ne-raves stickers update Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 18:07:30 EST thanks for the overwhelming response about the stickers. i'll have them at lauras before storm on the 12th. they will be sold at cost (30 for $5.00 or 5/$1.00) as i said before. if you are going, you can get them then. I will also be collecting money for shirts then too. $10(cost) for an X-large black shirt and the shirts will be ready to pick up at Revelation or the next preraveparty. If you are not going to the lauras you can send me money for stickers(anytime) or a shirt(by Dec. 14th) at: Chuck Fletcher 26 Prince St. Apt #1c NY, NY 10012 please include a return address(sometimes i forget, when im all excited to get something) and I will get them right off to you (shirts will be delivered by christmas, buy your favorite cyberraver one ho! ho! ho!). chuck revar@aol.com designing the future [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Quaker Rave From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (inhuman inhuman) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 18:17:21 EST Well, Quaker Rave was fun. It was unfortunately in the SAME place as both Masquerave and DefCon1. I mean, it's a nice place, but still... Anyway, that initial downer having been overcome, the rave was fantastic. The music was really good, better than Masquerave, but not quite as good as the later stuff at DefCon. The coolest thing was the chillout rooms. There were three: The smallest one was carpeted and actually warmer than the main dance area. This was partially due to the fact that about 50% of the air in the room was pot smoke. I'm not joking. It was crazy. They had a cool spiraling light in there too that was fun to look at. The medium sized one had about 5 blacklights in it, something that has always been conspicuously absent at DC raves. And the floor was covered with these flourescent paper shreddings, sort of like glowing hay. It was crazy. Everyone was running around throwing hay at each other. It was so much fun. The biggest chillout room was bigger than the main dance room. It had two lasers in it. The effect of these lasers scanning along the incredibly long walls of the room is indescribable. Especially with the incredible trance music they were playing. I never really got into trance until last night. At one point they had the lasers scanning back and forth in the air so fast so that it just looked like a solid plane of green energy. And they had the smoke machine pouring out smooke, so you could see a "slice" of the smoke in the laser, if you know what I mean. It was the coolest effect I've ever seen. I felt like I was tripping even though I was completely sober. All in all, it was a fantastic rave. The people there were really cool, too. I even met a fellow NE-RAVER finally! I can't remember your name though! Who are you? Anyway, despite the price of the tickets and the repeating locale, Catastrophic just seems to be getting better and better! --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1992 20:01:17 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: attn. music futurists... well, from what i've read and heard, all the rage in the UK in the moment is garage.... mike _______________________________________________________________________________ _ "You'll get more than that if you don't quit arguing. Now sit there quietly while I get you some clothes. And let go of that thing, for godsake! You're going to wear the skin off it." mike battaglia mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu showin' ya how it's done........... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: anybody out there? Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 22:21:47 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) whats going on in boston on new year's? ( Laura, i know your boyfriend lives here, but is there any raves going on that i should come back from NY for?) also, does anybody know of anything going on in ny over new year's? thanx u munch, munch, munch. lovE, pEacE... ravE!! SHALAKO [ p r o m o t i n g b e t t e r l i v i n g t h r o u g h c h e m i s t r y ] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1992 22:40:40 -0500 From: technopagan priest Subject: Re: Quaker Rave I still think there is a bit too much "brain-dead" hardcore at Catastrophic Raves (as recently compared with DefCon in DC and Milky Rave in Baltimore), but I think the mixture is getting better. The lasers were the best I've seen at a Rave yet! My laser jock friend and I have been complaining the laser effects have been too simple at the last few Catastrophics...this time they brought in LaserTainment from Minniapolis (no, I can't spell that town :) They had a 5 watt argon lasing in both green and blue, with computere (Amiga actually) controlled servos on both beams...I swear I was having a technopagan spiritual experience when they projects a green and blue pentagram, spun them, and suddenly they became hypocycloids...anyway, not to mention a laser-rendered Catastrophic insignia. I thought it was very good...the only problem was that only a few of the UM RaveCoalition posse showed up, and we never did run into laura@usl.com. Oh well, catchya! -Thomas [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: ne-raves hook-ups and pre-rave-parties... Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 23:54:01 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i'm planning on going to Explorer I (Dec. 5th), Storm Rave (Dec. 12th), and Revelation (Dec. 26th)... who else is going? how can I contact you? give a callout... anybody think Metamorphosis on the 5th would be better than Explorer I? Storm Rave vs. Trans-Neuro-Corridor on the 12th? what's the rave scene between Dec. 27th and Jan. 3rd shaping up to be?????? anyone have any info? also, i'm still wondering if anyone who lives in NY could be so generous as to let me crash for a few days between dec. 29/30 and jan 2/3? thank you sooo munch... lts of lovE, hugs&kissEs, rAvE on!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "To achieve ravelightenment is to live in the most blissful of conciousnesses" S H A L A K O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << SHALAKO >> shAnnon coEn << technokachina >> sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b e t t e r l i v i n g t h r o u g h c h e m i s t r y ] (in moderation...) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 01:29:59 -0500 From: Allon Stern Subject: Re: Quaker Rave > Well, Quaker Rave was fun. It was unfortunately in the SAME > place as both Masquerave and DefCon1. I mean, it's a nice place, but > still... Yeah, it seems like we're stuck in an endless loop...though I must say, they've done a good job at setting up very differently than before. the black light room was really neat :) In the hardcore room, they had bunches and bunches of intellibeams and mirror balls. Before I left (around 4:30am), I noticed a few dead intellibeams, and one stack of speakers was dead... The trance room was WAY cool! I was told by one of the organizers that it cost them on the order of $4000 for the laser show. The lasers were rated at 50 watts, but they were running them at only 5 watts. They had a scrim halfway across the room onto which they projected the Catastrophic logo flipping around and twisting, as well as images of eyes, homer simpson, bart simpson, and various lissajous figures. Two beams, one blue, one green. 'Twas beautiful. > > All in all, it was a fantastic rave. The people there were > really cool, too. I even met a fellow NE-RAVER finally! I can't > remember your name though! Who are you? Coulda been me? I ran into someone else who was wearing a badge, and we said hello. By the way, at raves where the UM Rave Coalition attends, if Thalx shows up, we end up dancing around his laser. We were right near the DJ booth at Quaker. I would guess attendance at around 2000. What was interesting is that there were about 7 or 8 PG County police cars swarming around outside...there was aparently someone getting busted, car search, all that wonderful stuff. As I went to get my car, one of the officers commented "Lotts drugs in there" to me... I wonder what the legal aspect of it is....could the police have busted the place if they wanted to? Or were they unable to because it is a private party on private property, etc etc. > Anyway, despite the price of the tickets and the repeating > locale, Catastrophic just seems to be getting better and better! > Yeah! > --- > Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) > "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so > terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with > it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ > -- Allon [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 01:29:59 -0500 From: Allon Stern Subject: Re: Quaker Rave > Well, Quaker Rave was fun. It was unfortunately in the SAME > place as both Masquerave and DefCon1. I mean, it's a nice place, but > still... Yeah, it seems like we're stuck in an endless loop...though I must say, they've done a good job at setting up very differently than before. the black light room was really neat :) In the hardcore room, they had bunches and bunches of intellibeams and mirror balls. Before I left (around 4:30am), I noticed a few dead intellibeams, and one stack of speakers was dead... The trance room was WAY cool! I was told by one of the organizers that it cost them on the order of $4000 for the laser show. The lasers were rated at 50 watts, but they were running them at only 5 watts. They had a scrim halfway across the room onto which they projected the Catastrophic logo flipping around and twisting, as well as images of eyes, homer simpson, bart simpson, and various lissajous figures. Two beams, one blue, one green. 'Twas beautiful. > > All in all, it was a fantastic rave. The people there were > really cool, too. I even met a fellow NE-RAVER finally! I can't > remember your name though! Who are you? Coulda been me? I ran into someone else who was wearing a badge, and we said hello. By the way, at raves where the UM Rave Coalition attends, if Thalx shows up, we end up dancing around his laser. We were right near the DJ booth at Quaker. I would guess attendance at around 2000. What was interesting is that there were about 7 or 8 PG County police cars swarming around outside...there was aparently someone getting busted, car search, all that wonderful stuff. As I went to get my car, one of the officers commented "Lotts drugs in there" to me... I wonder what the legal aspect of it is....could the police have busted the place if they wanted to? Or were they unable to because it is a private party on private property, etc etc. > Anyway, despite the price of the tickets and the repeating > locale, Catastrophic just seems to be getting better and better! > Yeah! > --- > Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) > "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so > terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with > it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ > -- Allon [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:14 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: anybody out there? Shannon writes: >whats going on in boston on new year's? ( Laura, i know your boyfriend lives >here, but is there any raves going on that i should come back from NY for?) > >also, does anybody know of anything going on in ny over new year's? As far as I know, *nothing* is happening for New Year's as of yet in NYC. Explorer and Storm are both having their raves before Christmas, so you can probably bet they won't be having another one on New Years', but who knows? And then there is always NASA, Thunderground, Caffiene, and the Limelight. Maybe one of them will have something (but I'd recommend staying out of a regular club, even if it is very rave-oriented, on New Years' because everyone and their sister goes out on New Years', even people who rarely ever go out). Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 30 Nov 92 10:09:59 EDT From: Subject: RAVIN BRAN..YUMMMM ! AND THIS IS HOW THE STORY GOES..... On Fryday the 27th todd sines and BODY RELEASE get in touch with me so that they can come up from Columbus (I'm in Cleveland) and rework some of their material before playing at Ravin Bran that night, and just hang out and listen to some TECHNO. It seems that someone wiped some important samplez from their disk(s). Todd was not pleazed, az a matter of fact *stressed* iz a more accurate term. Anyway they get to my place about an hour after their ETA, which I'd already expected. We hang out for a while, they set up some of thier equipment and start reworking samplez while todd goez to pick up dieselBoy. The next thing I knew I had a house FULL of RAVERZ ! All munching the food of choice *not* .Taco Bell. Except one dude (sorry forgot your name), he said he wazn't having trouble with hiz movementz ( :-0 ohh noo ) so he opted for Burger King. Thier were about 10 people from Columbus to Pittsburgh. Eventually they got thier stuff together and we all headed down to Metropolis for the RAVE. I guess I could say that it waz unfortunate that Ravin Bran waz held in a club, but it wazn't. Except for a couple of dumb thingz it waz pretty kool. I think some dweeb got smashed in the head with a bottle. I can't verify thiz because I was dancing so hard, you'd have thought I waz trying to bring rain !!! Also there were no damn SMART DRINX. That waz a bummer. Coke (a cola) iz no substitute for a Smart Drink ! I think we sort of freaked some people out that were already there from a high school reunion. I'm sure they were trippin ! Some even stayed and got into it. =) I guess it'z just me, but I don't really give a shit where a RAVE iz held. Of course I'd prefer an underground climate but I think it'z the music and the atmosphere that make the journey worthwhile. And at Ravin Bran the music waz GREAT !!! dieselBoy waz totally hyped, so were the other DJ'z. The first band waz good (I forgot thier namez) but they kept having a problem with the sound. ORGAZ jammed ! They really got the crowd going. Extremely hype. Then BODY RELEASE came on and really went off. I must have looked like I waz having canniptionz becuz even though my mind said "REST YOU FOOL !" my body wasn't having any of it ! I couldn't have stopped dancing if I wanted to ! And I don't mean just on the dance floor. I danced to the bar, to the bath room, around the club, through the crowd, on the stage, on the stairz, etc ! At about 3:30 am dieselBoy came back on and not only jammed again but took it up another notch ! By this time I'm soaking wet and in a state of total euphoria ! *DAMN I LOVE THAT MUSIC* All and all I thought that thingz turned out great. And I commend BODY RELEASE on being able to produce such fantastic music on such short notice ! Oh yeah, thanx for the crew badge, I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY ! Just carry some equipment. ;-> HAPPY RAVING IZ A STATE OF MIND ! _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Quaker Rave Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 9:24:04 MST > The trance room was WAY cool! I was told by one of the organizers > that it cost them on the order of $4000 for the laser show. The > lasers were rated at 50 watts, but they were running them at only > 5 watts. They had a scrim halfway across the room onto which they > projected the Catastrophic logo flipping around and twisting, as > well as images of eyes, homer simpson, bart simpson, and various > lissajous figures. Two beams, one blue, one green. 'Twas beautiful. If the laser was really rated at 50 watts, it probably would have been burning holes in the wall. Most lasers for light shows are rated between 5 and 20 MILLIwatts. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 11:47:26 -0500 From: Allon Stern Subject: Re: Quaker Rave > From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) > Message-Id: <9211301624.AA01821@slack> > Subject: Re: Quaker Rave > To: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu (NE Raves) > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 9:24:04 MST > > > The trance room was WAY cool! I was told by one of the organizers > > that it cost them on the order of $4000 for the laser show. The > > lasers were rated at 50 watts, but they were running them at only > > 5 watts. They had a scrim halfway across the room onto which they > > projected the Catastrophic logo flipping around and twisting, as well > > as images of eyes, homer simpson, bart simpson, and various lissajous > > figures. Two beams, one blue, one green. 'Twas beautiful. > > If the laser was really rated at 50 watts, it probably would have been > burning holes in the wall. Most lasers for light shows are rated > between 5 and 20 MILLIwatts. > > the laser was *RATED* at 50 watts, but *RUNNING* at 5 watts. You don't have to run them at full power, you know.... And they don't burn holes in the walls if you keep 'em moving ;-) Seriously, though, I have it on pretty good authority that it was 5 watts. 5 milliwatts for laser shows? You gotta be kidding...you wouldn't be able to cut through a good fog for more than a few feet.... 20 milliwatts is not bad, but still pretty tiny. We're talking licenced and bonded laser show technicians here.... anyway, by the time the beam was halfway across the warehouse, it was a good 3 to 5 inches in diameter. -- Allon [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: ne-raves stickers Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:16:21 EST i designed some stickers that have two people in vr suits(one black and one yellow) with thier outstretched pointer fingers touching that say ne-raves cybertribe. they look dope if i do say so myself and I want to get them printed but it costs about $200 for 1000 high quality 2 color stickers which i am willing to front if people will buy some of them at cost. 5/$1.00 or 30 stickers for $5 bucks(i lose money, but fuck it) if people are into it, i will do it. so send me a message. and I could also to shirts but that will require prepaid orders of $10. thanks for your support, stickering the world will give ne-raves more clout if we want to do a party in the near future. hint-hint! chuck revar@aol.com designing the future [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:02:07 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: sky high well, here's my review of sky high. john adams thought LIFE was better. i disagree. i thought that it was the best rave on the east coast that i have been to. it is obvious that i looove breakbeat and progressive house cause that's all there wuz. the people there were super friendly, and chris even had a small after hours party downstiars at zootz. it ended up being all boston and new york people. the next rave in portland is in january. it is called deep. onionz will be spinning in addition to all the dj's that were at sky high, and also tintin from england. see you there. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english let me be your fantasy @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 09:06:43 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Re: ne-raves hook-ups and pre-rave-parties... Explorer I should be better than Metamorphasis. Unless you like hardcore all night long. I think Satellite Productions are more imaginative when it comes to putting on a rave. Isn't Explorer I going to be in a bowling alley. Warehouses were fun, but the novelty has worn off. It's time for the rave promoters to get a bit more creative. - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 12:23:23 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: Quaker Rave On the subject of Catastrophi's warehouse and the PG County Police: I heard that Catastrophic is definetly going to try and find a new warehouse for there New Years Rave. The reason being the increased police patrolling around the Cheverly warehouse. Also, I was thinking that maybe the police can't do anything about the rave because they would have to prove that admission was paid for it to be classified as a business. The only way for them to prove that admission was paid for entrannce would be for them to purchase a ticket. Since tickets could only be picked up in D.C., they would be travelling outside their juristiction to purchase them. Thus, they would not be aloud to submit the tickets as evidence. Does this theory make any sence to anyone else. Or are PG police just pretty cool about the whole thing. I know that they are pretty cool about high school/ keg/private parties in the county. Mike TeekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:55:15 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: 50W lasers? Yeah, right! > > The lasers were rated at 50 watts, but they were running them at only > > 5 watts. > > If the laser was really rated at 50 watts, it probably would have been burning > holes in the wall. Most lasers for light shows are rated between 5 and 20 > MILLIwatts. The best way to tell if it was really that big (and the biggest argon lasers I know of are only 20 watts), is by the size of the truck carrying the generator and cooling pumps (plural, since at that power the optics have to be water-cooled as well). The 20-watters need 60 amps of 480V three-phase current (>25,000 watts!), not counting the pumps, so a 50W tube would need at least proportionately more power. However, there are a few air-cooled five-watters that run on 220V. For comparison, the laser show at the Hayden Planetarium in NYC use a two- watt mixed-gas (argon for green and blue, krypton for red and yellow) tube whose beam sometimes gets split four ways at once. Face it, they make exaggerated laser power claims as easily as they make exaggerated audio power claims. And Pete's right -- you don't pass your hand in front of a >1W beam if you know what's good for you. -Ed [djSLIP] [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:33:19 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: 50W? Yeah right again. > anyway, by the time the beam was halfway across the warehouse, it > was a good 3 to 5 inches in diameter. That makes me even more skeptical. Physically, the big tubes (>10W) are *long*, and the longer the tube, the narrower the beam divergence. When I went to Palladium in NYC to see Lasermedia's latest, they were using a 10W tube, whose beam projected a 3-inch spot only after going the better part of a thousand feet. American Laser's air-cooled five-watter is about the same length as the standard entry-level (20-500mW) argon tubes, so I'd expect it to diverge to three inches after only traveling a couple hundred feet. (I don't have my spec sheets handy, so I can't say for sure.) > We're talking licenced and bonded laser show technicians here.... I certainly hope so. Lasers are more tightly regulated than sound, so using them leaves you open to bigger lawsuits if you're not legal. (I don't know of any federal regulations about sound, aside from OSHA.) Most people don't know a milliwatt from a milliradian from a millipede when it comes to lasers, so promoters can say just about anything they want about them. Hell, half the world still thinks "laser" is spelled with a Z. Again, it's the same with sound. I've seen flyers claiming godzilliwatts of power, then seen speaker arrays that would become fire- wood at 1/10 that. In the end, it's either bright or loud enough, or it's not, no matter what they say. The only ones who really need to know the truth are the sound and lighting techs. -Ed >djSLIP< "It was all only a metaphor, the raving." -Anne Rice [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 12:42:13 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: FLINTSTONES shingtonDCWashingtonDCWashingtonDCWashingtonDCWashingtonDCWashingtonDCWashington mber12december12december12december12december12december12december12december12dece Children's Chewable Warehouse Party F L I N T S T O N E S GET FORTIFIED SATURDAY DECEMBER 12! Bedrock Prodductions Presents: The Pre-Christmas Childrens Chewable Warehouse Party F L I N T S T O N E S Starts at 10.00pm Saturday December 12 Twas the 12th day before Christmas and all through the warehouse, not a raver was stirring, not even a mouse. Til what before my Xing wandering eyes should appear ------ But Fred Flintstone all decked in Rave Gear!!! Wise "Techno" Men ----------------- Mr. Kleen - NASA; new york Michael Meachum - Fifth Column; DC introducing DJ Say - DC Snow Filled Room ---------------- so you can chill your weary head and trance your body Guy Oldsam - Eastern Bloc; manchester,england Earic Patten - Tracks; DC FX yourHEAD - Flinstone; DC SMART BAR AND DUMB VIDEOS techno stocking stuffers given out by MC Bitch holiday greetings giving by DC's own door girl Julie Jules ----------------------------------------- Tickets to sit on Freds Lap ----- $10 l ----------------------------------------- 1234 9th ST. NW, Washington, DC Pay at Door Freds gift line 202-331-4465 covered by Flavor Magazine rave ware by Bohemia promo by TekGuru Mike Roberts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: ne-raves hook-ups and pre-rave-parties... Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 10:51:25 MST > Warehouses were fun, but the novelty has worn off. It's time for the rave > promoters to get a bit more creative. Ahhhhhhhhh, just the bait I wanted to hear. Come to Utah for SolstICE. December 19th, snow-covered mountain field, bonfires, smart hot-chocolate & smart hot-cider. $1. As far as I know, this is a planetary first. No promoter has been stupid enough to throw a rave in subzero weather. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:26:37 -0500 From: fort@husc.harvard.edu Subject: METAMORPHOSIS Does anyone out there know any details about Metamorphosis. Like where is it, is it bustproof, how many people are they expecting, who is coming, what are the lights going to be like. I'd really appreciate the info. My address is: fort@husc.harvard.edu THANX PEACE Peter (zE kRAzY CzEk)\ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:13:22 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: attn. music futurists... > Which leads me to think this again...there are pieces that are in the 160 > bpm range and up, so I doubt techno will get much faster, what next? How about trance, tribal, progressive house or acid jazz? These rarely get faster than 130 bpm. > Is there going to be a regression (although that sounds negative, and it's not) > to house/120 bpm stuff? We can only hope.... [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:40:24 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (yo! bum rush the show) Subject: Re: Quaker Rave TP>from Minniapolis (no, I can't spell that town :) They had a 5 TP>watt argon lasing in both green and blue, with computere (Amiga TP>actually) controlled servos on both beams...I swear I was having TP>a technopagan spiritual experience when they projects a green TP>and blue pentagram, spun them, and suddenly they became hypocycloids...anyway, TP>not to mention a laser-rendered Catastrophic insignia. Sick equiptment... like, $10,000 worth of laser and related hardware. gimmie gimmie. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:41:22 EST From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Re: Ne-Raves pre-STORM Party!! Howdy! It's definitely me and at least one other person for the party, if that's ok. I haven't been able to reach either of my two possible hosts in NYC, so I don't know if either of them wants to go as well, but I'm travelling with one other person, and he's definitely up for it! More as it happens! :) Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu - Buffalo, New York - USA (On Dec. 10th, I will be moving permanently to the address salsbury@netcom.com The address is functional now, though, if you wish to send mail there instead.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 20:55:03 -0500 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: Re: ne-raves stickers update when will you have the stickers/how soon could you send them out if I sent you the $ now? I think it's very cool that you're doing this. Nina. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 20:54:47 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: explorer I does anyone know where explorer I is going to be at? i've heard mention of a bowling alley or something- also, how much? who's going?? e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: bbs Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 18:14:36 EST I have a spare 386 that i want to set up as a bbs, lots of people dont have free access to the internet(like me). can i thread to the net with messages? does anybody know anything about this. is there a internet dial up i can use to thread messages(in the nyc area, can i set-up my own)? any feedback would be appreciated chuck revar@aol.com [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 30 Nov 1992 22:03:56 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: frankie bones. the rave god. "i want to make raves more aggressive" - frankie bones >>taylor909 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 23:05:28 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: frankie bones. the rave god. ick. ick. ick. mike ______________________________________ Mike Battaglia mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu "What have i done with my life?" dr.slammin' --"Two Worlds Collide" raving into the 21st century.... Inspiral Carpets [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Mike Shorten Subject: Midwest New Years Eve Raves? Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 23:06:36 -0500 (EST) Howdy! Living in the deprived cultural wasteland (aka Central Indiana), I've been following the ne-raves threads with some interest. Hopefully someone can answer these questions: Who can I contact for info about raves in Chicago? Does anyone have any info on raves happening on New Years eve in the Midwest, preferable Chicago again? Thanx in advance from one who can't wait to attend their first rave.... -Neuromancer [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 23:16:14 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: totally unrelated material, but read anyway..... Hey, this is Dr. Slammin'.... my X-girlfriend's B-day is Dec. 1 and i'd like it if everyone would send her a little birthday wish--ne-raves style.... her address is tunneyh@alleg.edu Thanks, and sorry for the un-ravelike material ps..dieselBoy, you'll get this twice...sorry... thanks! Mike! ______________________________________ Mike Battaglia mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu "What have i done with my life?" dr.slammin' --"Two Worlds Collide" raving into the 21st century.... Inspiral Carpets [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 23:34:30 EST From: MOORE@vax.wi.edu Subject: RE : XTC on MTV ---- Microsoft Mail "Note" message ---- From: Jay Moore on Mon, Nov 30, 1992 11:35 PM Subject: RE : XTC on MTV To: NE-Raves I too saw the MTV news piece on Extacy use. (this in and of itself is bizarre because I almost never watch MTV) I came away with a less of a feeling of bias on the part of MTV than you did Fran (becca?). I am by trade, a science person and the arguments made by the researcher who was studying the drug did hold together. While it is true he quite obviously disapproves of use of the drug for recreational purposes, (and risks losing scientific neutral observer status by doing so), he seemed to steer clear of arguments that the drug can do harm directly. His citing of 25 deaths were likely due to heat exhaustion he admitted. The MTV newscaster seemed to me thoroughly un opinionated one way or the other. In fact they even interviewed a person who was involved with rave culture in some spokesmanlike way who played devil's advocate, as it were, in that circumstance. But I believe that the producers were careful to stay slightly on the anti drug side of the issue just enough to remain blissfully PC, at least with regards to the assembly of images chosen not to glorify the X'ers. Let it be noted that my own opinion lies with neither side wholly. Later. Jay : ^ > [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 30 Nov 1992 22:44:41 -0600 (CST) From: ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu Subject: rave list? What's up? I found these address on Midwest Raves... Can I sign up? Peace, Unity, Respect. -The Custom One x x \_/ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 23:59:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I have no fingers) Subject: Re: bbs You'd have to get a SLIP line from a local college, and then uucp the messages over... it'd a bit of work.. you could even run Unix on that 386 and make life even easier! -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 00:15:44 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (List Admin) Subscriptions I've added a few more people to the list... Sorry for the wait.. I had to consider if adding new people was going to be damaging or not. It seems that the new machine we're on is faster and can handle the load. I don't see the list going beyond 200 people. Right now it's at 175 or so. I'm not going to let it go beyond 200... To those of you who are new, again, I'm sorry for taking so long to add you, and welcome to ne-raves Unsubscriptions: < bmyers@well.sf.ca.us New Subscriptions: > andrew.s.wright@williams.edu > thieule@wam.umd.edu > jsheff@world.std.com > IO20903@maine.bitnet > clauer@leland.stanford.edu > GRS00018@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU > ETCXIAAF@karl.iit.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1992 00:07:19 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: Re: song....need name and artist. >Has anyone heard a techno song.....with the following sample >"Yeah that's right".."Kick it." > ^from Flavor Flav? I think it was around back in May.... > It also says "Ravers in the Place" in one part > and "Check this out" > >In the middle there a nice piano break...... any clues? > well, there's mister president by meat beat manifesto- which has the "yeah, that's right- kick it" sample. but, this song is more industrial dance (well, not quite industrial, really). it also had that piano break in it as well as the samples "you have thirty seconds to get your shit together" and "the show's over!" mister president is on armed audio warfare... e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 01:28:20 -0500 (EST) From: Francis L Sibilla Subject: europe request I will be backpacking through europe from Dec 18 until Jan 14 I would be extremely grateful if anyone could provide information on the techno club/rave scenes of some major european cities, such as what record stores to go to for finding good music or information on nightlife etc. I will be in London 12/18-12/21, Dublin 12/22-26, Northern France till 12/28 or 29. from then on I'm open. I will probably hit Berlin, Bonn, and Geneva. Information on Belgium would also be greatly appreciated since I know little about it. I'm thinking that there must be something going on there with the ammount of music comming out of there. Thank You in advance for any information on this topic. Music and raves are not the purpose of my trip but hitting a rave or finding some original music would be nice. Thanks Again. Fran [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 1 Dec 92 09:04:58 EDT From: Subject: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! Hey this izn't a RAVE related post, but damn I need some help out here in thiz God forsaken place called Cleveland ! Either that or somebody forgot to pay the damn heat bill !!! ;-> SEND ME SOME H E A T !!! Here's a RAVE related question -> Would anybody show up at a WINTER RAVE ? You know like an outdoor RAVE in the winter. Letz juzt see what kind of RAVING LUNATIX you people really are. I know I'd go simply becuz I've never heard of anything like it ! Pleaze reply ! _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 10:00:37 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Should I shoot myself now, or just go bowling?) Subject: Re: bbs Sorry to get technical over the list, but... >From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I have no fingers) > >You'd have to get a SLIP line from a local college, and then uucp the >messages over... it'd a bit of work.. you could even run Unix on that >386 and make life even easier! You don't need SLIP to run uucp. Running unix on a 386 would be utterly confusing for someone who isn't a seasoned unix pro; on top of that, the cost for phone lines and disk space is usually prohibitively expensive for someone who doesn't want to make a business out of it. To get non-internet people on ne-raves (and the net in general), there are a host of public-access UNIX systems around the country (and certainly in NYC). Some are cheaper than others: Compuserve, Delphi, and America On-Line are on the net, but they're pretty expensive. Here in Boston, Software Tool & Die runs a reasonably-priced service called "The World" (world.std.com). The best thing to do is to ask around on your local NYC bbs's about local public-access unix services. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu \/ This is Jordan -- we do what we like! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:20 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: Quaker Rave Yes, the lasers were excellent in the big chillout/trance room this time. The Simpsons projects were my favorite.. :D BTW, I'm the one you met in the main dance area.. I had the pseudo-NE-RAVES badge on that I made while waiting for the real badge. I was looking for you later on but it was very crowded. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:20 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: 50W? Yeah right again. If it helps anyone decide I felt nothing when passing my hand in front of the beams. I don't know how many watts it was but it was definitely sufficient. The best part about it were the computer-controlled servos that drew some pretty incredibly 3-D (wireframe) objects that rotated. At one point I think I even saw some hint of hidden line removal making the object look more solid. (I was sober this time, so I know I wasn't full-of-it.) ;) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: bbs Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 10:38:41 -0500 From: Andrew.S.Wright@williams.edu >The best thing to do is to ask around on your local NYC bbs's about >local public-access unix services. Mindvox is a relatively new bbs in NYC that has both e-mail and Usenet access. I believe it's 15$ a month for 15 hours, then a couple of bucks/hour after that. In addition, the forums on mindvox are pretty good, and include a rave forum (although it has fairly low traffic at the moment). It should have 14.4 baud connections up soon (possibly already), apparantly they have the modems, but are having a few troubles with software. I can't remember the NYC telephone number, but their Internet address is phantom.com. You can telnet in to check it out. If you need the phone #, I can get it. For those non-NYC folks, mindvox apparantly plans to add phone lines in other cities starting in the next few months. It's a pretty ambitious place. Andrew [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 10:52:35 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: It's time to start ... ROLLING! The other night I was watching a movie called "The Running Man" and noticed that the MC of the "game" said a couple of phrases that sounded really familiar, particularly "Who loves you, and who do you love?" and the quote in the subject. Anybody know if this is where they got the above-mentioned lines for Messiah's "Temple Of Dreams?" -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 10:00:37 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Should I shoot myself now, or just go bowling?) Subject: Re: bbs Sorry to get technical over the list, but... >From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I have no fingers) > >You'd have to get a SLIP line from a local college, and then uucp the >messages over... it'd a bit of work.. you could even run Unix on that >386 and make life even easier! You don't need SLIP to run uucp. Running unix on a 386 would be utterly confusing for someone who isn't a seasoned unix pro; on top of that, the cost for phone lines and disk space is usually prohibitively expensive for someone who doesn't want to make a business out of it. To get non-internet people on ne-raves (and the net in general), there are a host of public-access UNIX systems around the country (and certainly in NYC). Some are cheaper than others: Compuserve, Delphi, and America On-Line are on the net, but they're pretty expensive. Here in Boston, Software Tool & Die runs a reasonably-priced service called "The World" (world.std.com). The best thing to do is to ask around on your local NYC bbs's about local public-access unix services. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu \/ This is Jordan -- we do what we like! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 10:54 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Ne-Raves Techno Club List (nov 30 edition) PLEASE -- if you know the phone numbers and addresses for these places please send them to me and I will update the list. Laura laura@usl.com T H E N E - R A V E S T E C H N O C L U B L I S T Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard Baltimore -- Thurs. Tripotronic Groove (once a month) at Paradox / 1310 Russell St. Fri. Citrus Club / 1003 East Pratt St. 410.880.1166 Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) / 11 Lansdowne St. 617.421.9595 Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) / Lansdowne St. The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Columbus -- Thurs. - Sat. 700 High Long Island -- Fri. Caffeine / 832-6 Grand Blvd. in Dix Hills 516.547.6137 Detroit -- Sat. NUDE VOOM / 2948 Woodward 313.433.2129 New Jersey (Union City I think) -- Wed. The Quarry New Haven -- Sat. Bar Tune Inn New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) 20th St. & 6th. Ave. 212.807.7850 Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") 20th St. & 6th. Ave. 212.807.7850 Thurs. Limelight (dAncE EnErgY) / 20th St. & 6th. Ave. 212.807.7850 Peace (Acid House) / 185 Thompson St. bet. Bleecker & Houston Insomniacs [Queens] / 205-20 Jamaica Ave. 718.464.3600 Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) / 157 Hudson St. 212.330.8233 Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) 20th St. & 6th. Ave. 212.807.7850 Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] / 700 Van Duzer St. 718.816.5323 Sat. UFO Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond 215.592.8481 Pittsburgh -- Thurs. and Sun. Metropol Providence -- Sun. Club Babyhead Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Minneapolis, MN -- Wed. First Avenue Thurs. The Parameter Sun. The Saloon Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn Wed. Vault Roxy Fri. Roxy Thurs. Tracks [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 10:57 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue dec 1 1992) R A V E - O - M A T I C ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- the calm before the STORM . . . It's *that* time of year! N E - R A V E S C H R I S T M A S P A R T Y WHO: Ne-Ravers going to STORM RAVE or just passing through the area. WHAT: The usual stuff -- cookies shaped like Santa Claus and holly, candy canes, techno, little blinky lights, a red laser or two, jingle bells, mistletoe, and even a tree. WHERE: My place again, in Hoboken, NJ. When you RSVP, tell me where you are coming from so I know what directions to give you. WHEN: Saturday, December 12, 1992. 6-10 PM <--- NOTE TIME CHANGE! WHY: Why not? HOW: Drop me a line at laura@usl.com to let me know you are coming. It's perfectly okay to bring a non-Ne-Raver or two along with you. Just let me know exactly how many people (including yourself) are coming. Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Thursday, December 3 TRIPOTRONIC Baltimore Thursday Dec 3 11pm-5am TRIPOTRONIC at the Paradox 1310 Russell St. DJs: Lenny Dee, Adam X, Acid Wash Live: Glitch ?: Virtual Visual Video Trance: Jason Jinx, LG Bobble & MicroChip 18/21 to drink $8 ($6 w/flier from Modern Music) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 EXPLORER I New York (212) - 465 - 3299 EXPLORER I -- Leaving the Stratosphere into the Solar System December 5th info: 212*465*3299 Orbiting DJs Lenny Dee (Industrial Strength) * Wink (Philly) * James Christian (Primal) Mr. Kleen (Gyroscopic) * Scott Richmond (Poughkeepsie) * On-E (NASA) 333 Mgee (UK) * Dave Trance (Thunderground) * Liven De Geyndt (DC) PLUS SPECIAL GUEST DJs Live Performance by INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH Recording Artist DX 13 Promotions: MelloMello * Primal Possee * Mindwarp * Atomic Vibe 333 Mgee * Eddie Van Raven Lights: Psychecyberadiant Scotto Visuals: Happy Trails Bring a toy for Toys for Tots and get a free smart drink. Tickets: $13 in advance * $15 day of and door Directions: 10 days in advance on the info line [ I hear it will be about 10 miles from NYC in Westchester somewhere - Laura ] Maps: At ticket locations and all major events Buses NYC: Aimee 211.387.8592 Poughkeepsie: Dave 914.255.8517 DC: Lieven 202.638.3272 Balt: 301.235.1131 NJ: Kurk 201.768.3024 Philly: 215.592.8481 LI: Eddie 516.435.2560 Conn: Marc 203.647.1068 Tickets NYC: Vinyl Mania 212.463.6120 NJ: Planet X 908.249.0304 DC: Music Now 202.638.3272 Balt: Modern Music 410.523.1882 Boston: Mindwarp 617.266.1987 Philly: 215.592.8481 White Plains: Specific Pacific 914.949.3103 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 5 METAMORPHOSIS Boston info (617) - 364 - 9572 or beep (617) - 765 - 5649 VOLTAGE PRODUCTIONS presents METAMORPHOSIS Saturday, December 5, 1992 11 - Sunrise CHARGED DJ's ADAM X MAYHEM Storm and Direct Drive Records Rise JIMMY CRASH OVERLOAD Storm and Direct Drive Records Maine MARIO DAYZ-X-ONE Mental Unity Tribe Digital Deviants SANDRA COLLINS SURREAL Phoenix & L.A. Underground Providence HEATHER HEATHER SAVAGE Under One Sky Boston AND LIVE APPEARANCES BY DX-13 ULTRA Industrial Strength Records Providence Records TIX: $8 ADVANCE - $12 AT THE DOOR TICKETS Boston Beat Records - (617)561-4790 Allston Beat - Boston - (617)421-9555 Cambridge - (617)868-0316 Allston - (617)254-4420 Providence - (401)454-7050 Shaky Jake's - Worcester - (508)792-1041 Bad Habits - Portland - (207)773-1310 Groove Records - Brooklyn - (718)714-5232 Planet X - New Brunswick - (908)249-0304 Tickets also sold at the Sky High rave in Portland, Maine BUSES Brooklyn - Heather - (718)646-8077 Brooklyn - Chad/Beep - (718)766-6170 Staten Island - Joe - (718)670-3652 Worcester - Joel - (508)792-1041 New Jersey - Beth - (908)442-6316 PROMO Heather Heather Chad-E-Boy Digital Deviants Mental Unity Tribe K.C. & The Sunshine Gang J-L-L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 STORM RAVE New York (718) - 714 - 5232 Got an "advance" flyer from the Storm people. There will be a rave this day, they are still finalizing the DJ list and all. Stay tuned for more information! Also, I'm [Laura] am going to have an informal ne-raves party before this Storm Rave. I'll post details soon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 TRANS-NEURO CORRIDOR Southern Maine (207) - 775 - 7946 T N C R E O A U RR S O ID OR Crital Mass Peaks: Dec 12 / Detonation: Midnight Secret Southern Maine Location. Info: 2077757946 Fly the Trans-Neuro Corridor Prepare to be transported to all-night blissful existence as digital shamen JACKMASTER FLASH transmits auditory impulses to heal your soul, spiritual re-charging available at the high ernergy Smart Bar, discover your inner self in peaceful Ambience, explore parts of yourself you never knew existed. Insane Lights and Sound by: 1st Strike + Pandemonium proMOTIONS: Mindwarp - Boston Beat - Alson Beat (Boston) - Al Bum's Music Quest (Worchester) - Fast Forward Records (Providence Vinyl Mania (New York) - Planet X (New Brunswick) - Hobbles and Kaput @ UMF Radio - KATmandu - su-sEn - AIM-EEE - eQUESTrian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 FLINTSTONES Washington, DC (202) - 331 - 4465 Bedrock Productions presents The Pre-Christmas Children's Chewable Warehouse Party F L I N T S T O N E S Get fortified! Starts at 10:00pm Twas the 12th day before Christmas, and all through the warehouse, not a raver was stirring, not even a mouse. Til what before my xing wandering eyes should appear... BUT FRED FLINTSTONE ALL DECKED IN RAVE GEAR! Wise "Techno" Men ----------------- Mr Kleen: Nasa, Sputnik; New York Michael Meacham: Fifth Column; Wash. DC DJ Say: Wash. Dc Snow Filled Room ---------------- So you can chill your weary head and trance your body Guy Oldsams: Eastern Bloc; Manchester UK Earic Patten: Tracks; Wash. DC FX yourHEAD: Flintstone; Wash. DC Smart Bar and Dumb Videos, techno stocking stuffers given out by MC BITCH...Holiday greetings by Julie Jules. Rave wear by Bohemia Tikcets to sit on FRED's lap $10 1234 9th St NW, Washington DC Fred's gift line: (202) 331-4465 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 12 HAPPINESS Baltimore (410) - 235 - 1131 Atomic Vibe presents on Dec.12 SATURDAY DECEMBER 12, 1992 10PM-SUNRISE Atomic Vibe invites you to celebrate the joy of unity. The dawning of a New Age in the underground experience. Smile, dance, laugh & rejoice in the sounds of ... H A P P I N E S S Atomic Vibe DJ's : Micro-Chip, Bobble, Wash & LG Guest DJ's: Scott Henry (fever and catastrophic DC) Dante (evolution NYC) Onionz (Caffeine) NYC 18 and Over w/Valid ID $8 in advnace (starting 12/10) $10 at the Door BYOB - no glass Smart bar by Neuro Energy Promotion by LG & D-Core Tickets/Directions available at: Modern Music, Balto. 410.523.1882 Music Now, DC : 202.638.3272 Atomic Vibe Info Line, Happy Beats For Your Feets : 410.235.1131 **note, this will be a rave almost totally free of hardcore breakbeatambienttrancebreakbeatambienttrancebreakbeatambienttrance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 19 LIQUID HOLIDAY Washington, DC (703) - 222 - 4499 Washington, DC... Dec. 19, 1992: Tonka Productions: _Liquid Holiday_ 1-703-222-4499 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, December 26 REVELATION New York (212) - 631 - 1179 (410) - 783 - 5453 (215) - 602 - 2210 (202) - 736 - 1712 (617) - 576 - 9717 (416) - 524 - 7840 "Through the mass-media, World War III is being waged upon the retina of the mind's eye. But a rapidly growing youth culture within the global village has given birth to a legion of Rainbow Warriors rebelling against the programmed ideals of a society locked within the definitions of the MTV unabridged dictionary. Armed with nothing more than the magik of a hug, a smile, some boomin' bass and a conviction that a difference can be made. This December comes a new gathering dedicated to exploration rather than exploitation... Saturday, December 26th, 1992 The Evolution Collective Proudly Presents: REVELATION Dedicated to Bio-Sphere I and the Sixth Sense Music with a message for your: Mind Body & Soul Frankie Bones Scott Henry Scott Hardkiss [Storm] [Washington, DC] [San Francisco] Keoki Micro Josh Wink [Disco 2000] [Caffeine] [Philadelphia] Dante Debo Onionz [Evolution] [Boston] [Layaway] Troy On-E Jason Jinx [Orlando] [Liquid Sky] [Solar Company] Bus, Travel, and Ticket info. New York 212.631.1179 Washington, DC 202.736.1712 Baltimore 410.783.5453 Boston & RI 617.576.9717 Philadelphia 215.602.2210 Toronto 416.524.7840 $12 admission strictly by advance sale ONLY. Tickets will be on sale until Dec. 20th. Purchase early to ensure entry, only 3,000 tickets will be sold. A portion of proceeds will be donated to Save the Planet. REVAR DESIGN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sometime in January DEEP Portland, ME Onionz + Tintin (England) and more . . . . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 10:39:31 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! Well in response to your "rave outside in the winter" question.... The last STORM RAVE in NY was held in mid-September in a very open loading dock, not to mention the fact that half the people were outside dancing too. I spent most of the time inside trying to get warm. And it wasn't even that cold out! This last weekend, I went to Sky-High in Portland in a huge boat warehouse on the water. It was freezing cold inside. My point being, it is cold enough _inside_ a warehouse during the winter, nevermind making it completely outdoors. brrrrrrr... no thanks. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: bbs Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 11:17:34 -0500 From: "Fraktur" There is a couple BBS's out in NJ that are free and have e-mail and limited Usenet links. I figure you could probably subscribe to ne-raves from there, and only have to pay LD charges. If anyone is interested, one's called the Rainbow Connection and the # is (201)-967-1061, It's probably be a good idea to talk to the sysop (for your internet address, or how to set up a bbs that recieves a uucp feed). There's not much of (my) interest on the bbs itself, but it does provide free e-mail as far as I know... --Drew >> Where the door should be... Where the window should be... << >> .....How confusing! << [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 11:37:11 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: It's time to start ... ROLLING! Yes, that's where the samples came from. Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 16:23 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: It's time to start ... ROLLING! >The other night I was watching a movie called "The Running Man" and >noticed that the MC of the "game" said a couple of phrases that sounded >really familiar, particularly "Who loves you, and who do you love?" and >the quote in the subject. > >Anybody know if this is where they got the above-mentioned lines for >Messiah's "Temple Of Dreams?" I have heard this phrase in some music and the one I heard did come from the movie The Running Man. I don't know Temple Of Dreams by name, but it is probably the same thing. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 01 Dec 1992 12:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: It's time to start ... ROLLING! dave: sure enough..yep.. "running man" is where MESSIAH got those samples! i myself sampled those lines for my sample collection.. not to use, just to have.. because: samples are like baseball cards. also, the "this mortal coil" lines in "temple of dreams" are NOT sampled from TMC. i a/b'ed them the other week ... and it's not the same voice.. (it's not Liz).. another bit of MESSIAH trivia.. in their song "there is no law" the whole intro speech sample "the year is 1999, the gang controlled areas have become known as free fire zones, the police will not enter, there is no law...etcc" comes from the movie "class of 1999". >>taylor.808.dream.state t r a n c e a c i d 8 0 8 s l a v e [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 12:48:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Music Request: Trance, Tribal, Acid House Hi there! Anyway at work, thinking about my awesome time at the Quaker Rave! I actually got to meet some ne-ravers with those badges..pretty neat. I had the black React shirt on, one of the Pittsburgh crew. I met two of em, one of them I got to talk to at the Sputnik pre-party from DC. The trance and tribal room with the lasers was awesome! I am getting bored with the hardcore sound and after talking to a guy from San Francisco, am interesting in picking up music that is getting mostly play on the West Coast: trance, tribal, acid house or jazz and doing a radio show mostly of that stuff, anything that sounds housier and further away from the hardcore, commercial techno, or even the UK breakbeat stuff. I was able to recognize Age of Love, one of the Stella mixes, and some of the Warp stuff. Send me as much info as possible plus any info on the West Coast scene since I have just begun to look into this stuff. Comps, 12"s and what labels on they on, where are they coming from. I like Age of Love, Stella, You Gotta Believe (fingers in the dyke mix), some of the FSOL stuff on Earthbeats, and the Aphex Twin's ambient album. The only tribal I've heard is 808state's Reaper Repo. Thanxs, Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: It's time to start ... ROLLING! Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 13:11:41 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) that's exactly where Messiah got it. I don't know where the "Messiah!Mesiah!" sample came from, but i think "Did I dream...you dreamed about me?" came frome This mortal Coil. someone posted this same question a couple of weeks ago, and someone knew exactly where they were from. maybe he/she could answer you better than I... SHALAKO [ p r o m o t i n g b e t e r l i v i n g t h o u g h c h e m i s t r y ] (in moderation...) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: The Ne-Raves Techno Club List (nov 30 edition) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 13:29:59 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) the address of the Loft, in Boston, is 21 Stanhope. on friday nights, The Loft in Boston puts on a microrave called "RISE" from midnght to 7am. it's a private club (that's how they get around the Boston "close at 2am or die" rule, so you have to be an invited guest of a member, or have a flyer. once you get in, you can become a member for $10, or so. two dance floors, one deep house, the other trance/acid. really good music. guest dj's from around the country. free drinks all night (soda, juice, etc.) and a smart bar. nice light show, and and a projection screen has computer animation on the trance floor. there's also ravewear by BigFunHouse. and a really nice roof deck for cooling off. many patrons are genuine raverz, but lately, there's been alot of "other" people that come over after Avalon and Axis close at 2am. it is a nightclub, after all. however, the "others" never give anyone any trouble, and i always manage to have a _really_ relaxed, groovalicious time. it's $10 to get in as invited guest, $7 if you're a member or have a flyer. if you're ever in boston/cambridge, and need something to do, look me up... i'd be extatic to meet more ne-raverz, and i'd be happy to give you the one flyer I get per week, or take you as my guests. :) SHALAKO [ h i s s i g n a t u r e j u s t k e e p s g e t t i n g s m a l l e r a n d s m a l l e r . . . ] shannon coen 410 memorial dr. MIT cambridge, ma 02139 617/225-8317 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 13:38:49 -0500 From: Zach Eitzen Subject: Re: frankie bones. the rave god. Did Mr. Ego make this statement recently? I heard from a friend that Bones recently wrote in some DJ mag that he thought tribal was good because "you can't play hardcore all night." Zach [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 14:06 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Loft >From: SHALAKO (technokachina) >on friday nights, The Loft in Boston puts on a microrave called "RISE" from >midnght to 7am. it's a private club (that's how they get around the Boston >"close at 2am or die" rule, so you have to be an invited guest of a member, or >have a flyer. once you get in, you can become a member for $10, or so. > >two dance floors, one deep house, the other trance/acid. really good music. >guest dj's from around the country. free drinks all night (soda, juice, etc.) >and a smart bar. nice light show, and and a projection screen has computer If you haven't been to the Loft yet let me give a small warning: I've been a few times and it's very heavy on break beat. If you like break beat, that's great, but if you are a trance-addickt like me, you'll be bored to death. Just to give you an idea of the trance I like, I'm pretty much a disciple of Dave Trance/James Christian/Dante/Josh Wink . To me *that's* trance. The stuff I have heard at the Loft by no means approaches this. It's a very nice comfy club to hang out in (although it does get VERY crowded), and the prices for drinks (free for soda, cheap for the smart stuff) are great, it's just not a rave mecca in my opinion. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: RAVE 2020 From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (inhuman inhuman) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 14:02:05 EST This one somehow got missed in the rave-o-matic... RAVE 2020 $15 December 11, 9th & V N.W. 7 Productions "A sensory unit specializing in visual deployment. A new vision of the ultimate experience.." Come Witness RON WEBSTER, 17 year laser professional all the way from Colorado to perform with his R-2(F) laser Featuring: Laser Animation, Straight Beams, & Spirograms ART FRONTIER - zandropic theatrical performance from deep space - Frankie Bones, NY - Jimmy Crash, NY - Anthony Scott, DC - Frankie Hartung, DC - Josh Wink, Philly - OPM, DC - Lieven Degeyndt, DC - Sandra Collons, LA storm rave - a dozen ritual - musicnow intl - studio x road tripping weekend storm rave ny saturday december 12 for bus tix call DC 7 Productions 301-868-1002 NY Groove Records 718-714-5232 NY Denis the Menace Joint Ventures 212-629-2061 Manhattan Studio X 212-387-0816 Philly Josh Wink 215-292-4666 special thanks to groove records, musicnow, e-trance promotions, studio x, apple, ashley, & dove, john z, frankie hartung, paxton --- Anyone want to go? I should add the flyer is REALLY cool. Full-color ray-traced picutre on the front. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "The truth? The truth, Lazarus, is perhaps something so unbearable, so terrible, something so deadly, that simple people could not live with it!" -Miguel de Unamuno, _Saint Emmanuel the Good, Martyr_ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: The Loft Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 14:44:53 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) laura's right. sorry about that. Technically, the first floor is house/deep house, and the second floor trance. but rarely do the get into a good trance set until five or six a.m. but I really love raggamuffin/break-beat techno, and they play a lot of that. I can't stand house much, so I've never danced on the first floor. I know a few people who don't come until five a.m., when only the raverz are left, and they sart playing the Orbital. I'm usually so lost in the music, no matter what kind of techno, that I could care less what or who is going on around me. I'm a big industrial/hard-core-techno fan (as well as being the epitomy of _Chill Out_/Orb/Eno) and I often trance to this kind of music too, breaking into an hour-long, closed eyes industrial mosh, during a hard-core techno set at raves, or at RISE as well. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn." [about wether there are other raverz in the club with me] "...'cause I just want to trip to the tunes and the lights, to have a staring match with my mind's eye..." [ p r o m o t i n g b e t t e r l i v i n g t h r u c h e m i s t ry ] (in moderation...) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "To achieve ravelightenment is to live in the most blissful of consciousnesses" S H A L A K O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << SHALAKO >> shAnnon coEn << techokachina >> sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ p.s. I'm not promoting or ragging on the Loft, actually I hate the "exclusive/trendiness" of it, I'm just saying it's something to do on fridays in Boston. (FOR THOSE OF US WHO DON'T HAVE CARS, AND DONT KNOW ANYONE WITH A CAR) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:11:37 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (across a crowded room) Subject: Re: It's time to start ... ROLLING! Yeah, that's where it came from. Good ol' richard dawsen. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:13:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (across a crowded room) Subject: Re: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! Maybe it's just ME but add things up.. People on X walking around in the freezing cold at an outdoor winter rave throwing their coats off because they _think_ they're warm. Bzzzzzzttttt.... Then we start having cases of hypotherima everywhere. Not cool.. I hate winter anyway. I'm a spring/summer person. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 15:54:25 -0500 From: Andrew.S.Wright@williams.edu >People on X walking around in the freezing cold at an outdoor winter >rave throwing their coats off because they _think_ they're warm. I don't know if anyone has seen this or heard reports like it, but researchers in England are blaming a few deaths on heat-stroke resulting from combining X and exercise (i.e. dancing all night). The claim is that X produces a rise in the core body temperature, due to it's stimulant properties. This is exacerbated by wearing hats. Of course, this was from an MTV news report, so who knows the veracity or details ... BTW, Earlier this year I gave a seminar on the Neurochemical effects of MDMA for my Neuroscience senior seminar. The few reports of mortality I came across in researching the topic mostly involved combining X with other drugs, a history of heart problems or questionable purity. There also may be some long-term neurotoxic effects, which was the focus of my talk. If anyone is particularly interested, I could dig up my notes and summarize them for the net. Andrew [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:18:58 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! > From jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu Tue Dec 1 15:14:01 1992 > People on X walking around in the freezing cold at an outdoor winter rave > throwing their coats off because they _think_ they're warm. Bzzzzzzttttt.... Acutally it would be just the opposite. When you're on E you feel chilled, even when you're perspiring to the point of dehydration. That would be *REALLY* uncomfortable. > I hate winter anyway. I'm a spring/summer person. Me too. :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 14:49:34 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: The Loft > From laura@usl.com Tue Dec 1 14:26:21 1992 > It's a very nice comfy club to hang out in (although it does get VERY > crowded), and the prices for drinks (free for soda, cheap for the smart > stuff) are great, it's just not a rave mecca in my opinion. > > Laura > Now let's be fair here. It is the *Boston* scene, not the Hardcore NY scene. Granted there's alot of breakbeat, but there's usually guest DJ's that spin there every week like Dale Charles from San Diego, 333-MGEE from the UK, and yes, even Debo has spun there. While it's not a trance haven, it sure lends alot to Deep Progressive UK house and Deep Groove and sometimes some really nice *mello* trance. Brian (Mayhem) has come a long way from his dayz at the Loading Zone. He's been playing some really nice music in the last couple of months. Besides all that, the Loft is groovy place to hang out. Colorful, bright, happy and a truly beautiful vibe. :) dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:47:12 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! > People on X walking around in the freezing cold at an outdoor winter rave > throwing their coats off because they _think_ they're warm. Winter? Raves? Now I'm caught in the blissful state of imagining: a) "Alles Naar De Kl--te" while negotiating a black-diamond mogul field b) "Papua New Guinea" while gliding down a mile-long blue-square c) "Lock On Target" on 140cm ballet skis or ice skates d) "The Blue Room" with hot cider and a roaring fire -Ed -djSLIP- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 1 Dec 92 16:21:58 EDT From: Subject: Re: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! > > People on X walking around in the freezing cold at an outdoor winter rave > > throwing their coats off because they _think_ they're warm. > > Winter? Raves? Now I'm caught in the blissful state of imagining: > > a) "Alles Naar De Kl--te" while negotiating a black-diamond mogul field > > b) "Papua New Guinea" while gliding down a mile-long blue-square > > c) "Lock On Target" on 140cm ballet skis or ice skates > > d) "The Blue Room" with hot cider and a roaring fire > > -Ed -djSLIP- Ahh, my friend I couldn't have imagined it better. I thinks I'll put me ski rax on tonite. OWWWWWWW ! Man, some of these people have no imagination. Like we would all be outside in 5 degree weather on 'e' trying to dance! _Golden_Boy [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: i am the walrus...koo-koo-koo-choo / discography request Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 16:24:14 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) i am the ignorant one... for the past few monthes i've been hearing "Alles Naar De Kl--te" this, and "Alles Naar De Kl--te" that... what is "Alles Naar De Kl--te", and what are the two mysterious missing letters? i know "Papua New Guinea" is TFSOL, but where can i get their CD? Do they have more than one? (CD) Whos "Lock On Target" by? and why does it seem to be the ne-raves motto? Where can I get Orbital's CD (CD's?)? Where can I get Eden Transmission's "I'm so High" CD (Do they have an album?)? If some or all of these are not available on CD, will someone who has it on vinyl make me a recording of them for me? (Last year I made the mistake of investing almost $500 in a tapedeck alone, which makes everything but the best recordings sound like pink noise at 120 decibels.) thank you so munch. SHALAKO shAnnon coEn [ b e t t e r l i v i n g t h r u c h e m is t r y ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 14:56:30 MST > Winter? Raves? Now I'm caught in the blissful state of imagining: > a) "Alles Naar De Kl--te" while negotiating a black-diamond mogul field > b) "Papua New Guinea" while gliding down a mile-long blue-square > c) "Lock On Target" on 140cm ballet skis or ice skates > d) "The Blue Room" with hot cider and a roaring fire I mentioned this once before, but it seems to have flown over the heads of everyone here. We're doing a rave on the solstice (close to it) on the 19th of December. Out in a snowfield with bon-fires and lights. Most likely it will be located very close to Snowbird, so if you're planning a ski trip, let me know. Oh yeah, we're charging a whopping $1 for this. At least (d) will be probably happen :-). [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 17:10 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: i am the walrus...koo-koo-koo-choo / discography request Shannon wonders: >i am the ignorant one... No, I wouldn't say that . . . be nice to yourself! >for the past few monthes i've been hearing "Alles Naar De Kl--te" this, and >"Alles Naar De Kl--te" that... >what is "Alles Naar De Kl--te", and what are the two mysterious missing letters? "Alles Naar ..." is a VERY HardCore techno song from the Netherlands. It consists of some guy screaming in Dutch, and one version clocks in at 250 bpm. The reason why the two letters are left off (it might be more than two letters) is because no one can remember how to spell it. >i know "Papua New Guinea" is TFSOL, but where can i get their CD? Do they have >more than one? (CD) The have a CD called _Accelerator_. I got a copy at Newbury comics the night of LIFE for about $22.00 . It was a Japaneese import. It has not been released in the US. >Whos "Lock On Target" by? and why does it seem to be the ne-raves motto? "Lock On Target" may or may not be the title of a song. Whatever the song is called, it is by the "new" Disintegrator -- that is, Disintegrator after Lenny Dee (wonderful insane hardcore DJ) got involved with them. It's not the ne-raves motto (the ne-raves motto is sort of "Reach Out - Connect"), but rather a very silly joke perpetrated by Taylor (that's Taylor808, 909, 303, tranceaddickt, whatever). Taylor, Dave McMahon, Ed Horch, John Adams, and I were running around a Toys 'R' Us in Sommervile, MA, the night of LIFE, looking for glow sticks. The guys had previously heard the Disintegrator song, and thought it was pretty neat. Anyway, Taylor was playing with some laser guns in the "instruments of mayhem for young children" aisle, and he stumbled across the X-3 Cyberblaster. It turns out that the Lenny Dee MUST have sampled "lock on target" from the Cyberblaster, since it sounds just like the voice on the record. We all started playing with it. The Toys 'R' Us people were not necessarily impressed with our glee at discovering Disintegrator's sample source. To make a long story even longer, Taylor started saying "lock on target" at random intervals. All night long. It sort of caught on amongst us. Becca was hanging out with us at the rave, too, and so she picked it up. The funniest thing was during the post-rave sleep/crash at Becca's -- everyone had settled down, cuddled up, and otherwise prepared for a nap. All was quiet, and then Taylor started mumbling "lock on target." Much giggling ensued until we all finally drifted off to sleep. Feel free to play along with us, it's fun!!! >Where can I get Orbital's CD (CD's?)? >Where can I get Eden Transmission's "I'm so High" CD (Do they have an album?)? Don't know about these . . . try Newbury Comics again. >thank you so munch. Sure. Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 17:20:52 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Brrrrrrrr...Help ! > Ahh, my friend I couldn't have imagined it better. I thinks I'll put me > ski rax on tonite. OWWWWWWW ! Well, it may be snowing out there, but on this side of the Appalachians it still doesn't get below freezing here most nights. It'll be another couple of weeks yet before any of the ski areas this side of Vermont are in full swing. :-( > Man, some of these people have no imagination. Like we would all be > outside in 5 degree weather on 'e' trying to dance! How 'bout this: have the rave in the lodge, and use the outdoor heated pool for a chillout area. (I've never done E, so I don't know how it affects your perception of temperature. All I know is that I learned to ski in Minnesota, sometimes at 20 below.) A Ski Rave... This is deserving of some thought... -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:24:35 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: the loft > From laura@usl.com Tue Dec 1 14:26:21 1992 > It's a very nice comfy club to hang out in (although it does get VERY > crowded), and the prices for drinks (free for soda, cheap for the smart > stuff) are great, it's just not a rave mecca in my opinion. > > Laura > Now let's be fair here. It is the *Boston* scene, not the Hardcore NY scene. Granted there's alot of breakbeat, but there's usually guest DJ's that spin there every week like Dale Charles from San Diego, 333-MGEE from the UK, and yes, even Debo has spun there. While it's not a trance haven, it sure lends alot to Deep Progressive UK house and Deep Groove and sometimes some really nice *mello* trance. Brian (Mayhem) has come a long way from his dayz at the Loading Zone. He's been playing some really nice music in the last couple of months. Besides all that, the Loft is groovy place to hang out. Colorful, bright, happy and a truly beautiful vibe. :) dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 16:53:10 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: i am the walrus...koo-koo-koo-choo / discography request OK. I'll play... > From sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU Tue Dec 1 16:35:11 1992 > for the past few monthes i've been hearing "Alles Naar De Kl--te" this, and > "Alles Naar De Kl--te" that... > what is "Alles Naar De Kl--te", and what are the two mysterious missing letters? That song comes from the boys at Rotterdam Records under the name Euromasters. We (myself, John, laura, cutter, and others) first heard it at the last STORM rave. It's 250 BPM death-core techno.... Yeah, death-core is a good word. > Whos "Lock On Target" by? and why does it seem to be the ne-raves motto? This is by one of the NY masters, Lenny Dee. That track and 3 others are on the amazing Disintegrator EP. Brilliant, stabbing, edgy hardcore. The reason it's a "motto" is because the night of the LIFE rave a few weeks ago, John, myself, taylor, ed, and laura were out shopping for glow sticks in Toys R Us. We managed to find ourselves looking all over the store. (surprise, surprise) We happened upon the toy gun section. One of those toy guns is the very gun that Lenny Dee uses for his sample throughout the song "Lock on Target". So we ended up playing with the toy guns for a while making all kinds of noise and looking oh so silly. (those crazy kids.) You should be able to find the Orbital CD almost anywhere. Newbury Comics, Tower. THe only thing I can tell you about that beautiful Eden Transmission track is that I'm listening to it right now. Sorry. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 01 Dec 1992 18:27:42 -0500 (EST) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: the prodigy experience sort of a random unrelated (and much already talked about) subjekt here, but: i finally got the prodigy full length cd. mr trance909acidblip303spaceyness is ADDIKTED to these breakbeats. a very, very, very good and listenable cd. it'll "take your brain to another dimension" >>taylor.808.dream.state [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: i am the walrus...koo-koo-koo-choo / discography request Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 18:55:46 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) ed- thanks a lot for clearing a lot of stuff up for me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ couple of things I still want to know: is "Alles Naar De Kl--te" available on CD? do the Euromasters have an album? Euromasters discography (albums, EPs, CD., CD singles) I heard that TFSOL had more than one album, true? TFSOL discography if you have any of the tracks, and other works by the groups, on vinyl and/or CD, could you tape them for me? "Alles Naar De Kl--te" /Euromasters (Rotterdam Records) any other works... _Accelerator_ /TFSOL any other works... "Lock-On-Target" /Disintegrator (Industrial Strength) any other works... "I'm so high" /Eden Transmission (Exist Dance) any other works... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ed- AR= audio research ? what's linn? signet? I dont have a turntable q:^( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...and ravevibe bless us, everyone." thanks Ed, SHALAKO shAnnon coEn sscoen@athena.mit.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:09:12 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Music Request: Trance, Tribal, Acid House > Send me as much info as possible plus any info on the West Coast > scene since I have just begun to look into this stuff. Comps, 12"s > and what labels on they on, where are they coming from. Off the top of my head -- Tribal 12"s: Jambo: "Drum Attack" / "Another Day" (Wonka Beats Records, Belgium) Aquastep: double 12" featuring "The Flower" and "Walhallah's Gate" (Wonka Beats Records, Belgium) Studio X: "Join the Tribe" (b-side of "Los Kings del Mambo", N-Fusion Records, US) Ultraviolet Catastrophe: "The Trip" (Twitch, US) Compilations: "Natural Selections" and "Natural Selections 2" are two excellent import CD compilations with cool Future Sound-ish house stuff. A Wonka Beats compilation whose title is something like "Songs from the Chocolate Factory" or "Music from the Chocolate Factory" or something like that. The music on this CD is pretty good, but the Wonka label has much better material on their 12"s. Jazz Brakes 1, 2 and 3 (Ninja Records, UK). The first two are single 12" records. The third is a double 12" and is also available on CD. All of the tracks are short funky two-minute acid jazz tracks produced by Coldcut. Also: Rumor has it that the Future Sound of London has recently signed a 5-album contract with Epic Records. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 92 15:45:46 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: i am the walrus...koo-koo-koo-choo / discography request > i know "Papua New Guinea" is TFSOL, but where can i get their CD? Do they have > more than one? (CD) They have a CD called "Earth Beats", which looks like a compilation but is really a bunch of tracks that FSOL have done under various names (including the big 1988 acid house hit "Stakker Humanoid"). "Papua New Guinea" is on the FSOL CD "Accelerator", which also sort-of looks like a compilation because some of the pressings have "Various Artists" written on them. Both of these are imports and both are amazing. FSOL also have some new material which I haven't heard yet. I believe it's called "Metropolis". I'm not sure if it's a single or an album. Also, rumor has it that FSOL has signed to Epic Records. > Where can I get Eden Transmission's "I'm so High" CD (Do they have an album?)? No, they don't have an album, and I don't believe they have anything released on CD (not sure abut this, though). I think "I'm So High" is going to appear on the next Profile Records compilation, "Best of Techno Volume 3", which isn't out yet. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 19:10:10 -0500 From: ajackson Subject: Blown *SKY HIGH* in Portland Hello ne-ravers! Just got back from Sky-High in Portland this weekend. I won't bother to go into a detailed description of the rave as John has already nicely done so. Needless to say, a good time was had by all. Excellent (very mixed!) crowd, kickin' music (the progressive house stuff was a nice touch) and quite a beautiful warehouse...cool cops too! I was especially pleased to meet other ne-ravers (i.e. John). Being from Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, we rarely make down as far as New York for raves (although we did manage to make it to the Storm Rave that was shut down this summer!) so it's not often we run in to any ne-ravers. By the way John, I apologize if we weren't able to get the chocolate covered E-beans to you...when we went out to get them I managed to lock my keys in the car...while it was running! After calling AAA, realizing that I didn't even have AAA (my brain was not quite functioning properl-E) and finally calling a locksmith, the crisis was over and I could continue to rave. Anyway, I just wanted to say hi from Ottawa and let you know that there ARE Canadian ravers out there on ne-raves. Normally, we tend to stick to Toronto, upstate New York, or Portland raves because of the distance involved. If there are any other ravers near Ottawa, give me a shout. We'd love to hear from you. "People used to dream about the future, They thought there was no limit to progress..." AJAX [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: METAMORPHOSIS - crushed in the bud? Date: Tue, 01 Dec 92 21:18:20 EST I just spoke with someone from Voltage Productions via the info -line and was told the disappointing news that they won't be able to use the place they had originally planned on using due to electrical problems. He said they are scrambling to find another place, on the same street if possible. If not, it may be postponed. I'm hoping they can pull a Pete-Ashdown (heroism in the face of adversity) and pull this off this weekend. He said to call back tomorrow or Thursday to see if they found a new place. I knew it was too good to be true...I guess I'll go back to completing Plan A -- getting myself to Explorer for Saturday, directions are finally available on their info-line. One way or another it should be a noisy weekend. -Chris Teixeira P.S. Made a big mistake in picking up a comp called 'Techno-rush' from adrenalin last night at Tower. I was tricked into buying it by a few of the names, Damon Wild, Nico, Repete, Romeo Romeo in the hope that the Equinox guys were behind this and that the rest of the tracks may have been in a similar vein. Boy was I wrong! The Wild and Nico tracks are good, Repete's track is noisy but aimless, there is one interesting 'ambient acid' track by formic acid but the rest is filler of the most excretable kind. I felt personally insulted. Oh well, never buy a comp that has a track called 'The Lone Raver' on it is the moral. -CT [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: the Hook-up-O-matic... Date: Wed, 02 Dec 92 02:10:03 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) ****************************************************************************** ****************************Important for all********************************* ****************************************************************************** I think we should make a list of who's going where, a Rave-O-matic type thing, rave-by-rave posted each week before an event... I'd be happy to try... this way it would make it easy hooking up with people from your area for a specific event, or in the ciy of the event, rather than everyone posting "who's going?" messages all the time, like me! it would mak it easier for first-time raverz to met up with other ne-raverz who might be seasoned veterans, and help them get to the rave. also it would make it easy for people to know who to look for at the rave they're going to, because they'd know who was going to be there! just send me a short note, listing: the event you'll be attending the date of the event your name your e-mail address your phone number your home city how you're getting there (if you're going in a car, do you have extra room for more ne-raverz?) any other info (what you'll be wearing, etc.) if people could respond by friday, we could start with Explorer and Metamorphosis (if they find a location). ******************************************************************************** ******************************************************************************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is better with friends." S H A L A K O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << SHALAKO >> shAnnon coEn << technokachina >> sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: "The Great ne-raves New York Hookup" Date: Wed, 02 Dec 92 02:05:07 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) _Explorer_ last friday at Rise, I met a very nice raver girl from providence named Jeannie. she has offered to drive up to boston and pick me up, and drive me down to NY for Explorer I. Assuming everything goes as planned as far as my ride is concerned, we could hook up with anyone else going, before the rave, and all do something neat together. If anybody knows NY, and/or knows where Explorer I will be held, give me a callout of suggestions where we could hookup, and what we could do, because I have no clue, as far as NY is concerned. _Storm Rave_ Jeannie also volunteered to drive me to Storm. Assuming this works out as far as this is concerned, we'll go to Laura's pre-rave party. Laura's party seems to be the logical place for the ne-raves Storm-bound posse to hook up. _Revelation_ I fly in to Laguardia around 5pm on the 26th. Ciamac and I will be going to Revelation. If anyone wants to hook up with us, give a callout, and suggestions where to meet you and what we could do, because I've never been to New York. I'll be staying with Ciamac in Queens from the 26th to the 29th/30th. (I don't know how long his parents will let me stay). But I'd like to stay in the city until the 3rd! (I'll get a bus back to boston on the 3rd) If anyone has a spare floor for any or all of the nights between the 30th and the 3rd, please let me know! I'm addikted! I want New York! I want rAvE! Since I hope to be in or near New York for a whole week, this would be the perfect time for me to meet any of you ne-raverz who will be there, or that live there, and hang out! I'm really pcyched to meet you all! Pleez, give a callout if you're going to be around for any of these events, or for the week of 12/26-1/3, because I'm totally psyched to meet you! hugs&kissEs, pEAcE, lovE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is much better with friends" S H A L A K O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << SHALAKO >> shAnnon coEn << technokachina >> sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 02:18:39 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (musette and drums) Subject: Re: METAMORPHOSIS - crushed in the bud? > I just spoke with someone from Voltage Productions via >the info -line and was told the disappointing news that they >won't be able to use the place they had originally planned on >using due to electrical problems. He said they are scrambling >to find another place, on the same street if possible. If not, >it may be postponed. This DOES IT. I'm going to NYC or I'm staying home and doing _nothing_ this weekend. These people are fuckin' clueless. -John [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 2 Dec 92 03:02:35 EST From: R.Bradley.Byrd@Dartmouth.EDU Subject: Re: It's time to start ... ROLLING! isnt this sample actually "its time to start RUNNING!" from the running man? yeah, its dawson. maybe i missed something here, but i dont understand why the title of the letter is "...ROLLING" -b by the way, this is just a really cool fuckin song. other people agree? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: MBM show Date: Wed, 02 Dec 92 03:11:46 EST From: Ludwig van Duane Yo -- for all ye in the Boston area who might be interested, don't forget about this: Meat Beat Manifesto Orbital Ultramarine at Axis (Laura note: 13 Lansdowne St., (617)262-2437 ) thursday, Dec. 3, doors probably open around 8pm or so. The Phoenix (paper) didn't have any time/price details, but I'm sure this show'll be well worth it, if it's anything like the show pashdown miraculously threw together a couple weeks ago! For us carless types, this might be all we get this weekend if METAMORPHOSIS bugs out on us... *sigh* Dweign ** no groovy ravey name yet ** [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: the Hook-up-O-matic... Date: Wed, 02 Dec 92 02:10:03 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) ****************************************************************************** ****************************Important for all********************************* ****************************************************************************** I think we should make a list of who's going where, a Rave-O-matic type thing, rave-by-rave posted each week before an event... I'd be happy to try... this way it would make it easy hooking up with people from your area for a specific event, or in the ciy of the event, rather than everyone posting "who's going?" messages all the time, like me! it would mak it easier for first-time raverz to met up with other ne-raverz who might be seasoned veterans, and help them get to the rave. also it would make it easy for people to know who to look for at the rave they're going to, because they'd know who was going to be there! just send me a short note, listing: the event you'll be attending the date of the event your name your e-mail address your phone number your home city how you're getting there (if you're going in a car, do you have extra room for more ne-raverz?) any other info (what you'll be wearing, etc.) if people could respond by friday, we could start with Explorer and Metamorphosis (if they find a location). ******************************************************************************** ******************************************************************************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is better with friends." S H A L A K O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << SHALAKO >> shAnnon coEn << technokachina >> sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Hook-up-O-Matic Date: Wed, 02 Dec 92 10:57:20 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) Laura raised a good point... if you'd like to meet other raverz and are going to contribute to the HUOM, there's no need for you to send your real address or phone number. thanx u munch... SHALAKO [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: A hole messa stuff. Date: Wenzdey Okay... my mailer does not work so I have to do this all in one fell swoop. 1. Concerning Euromasters and Rotterdam in general... as far as I know "Alles Naar de Kluete" (those are the missing letters, "ue" because with them the name says bad bad cussword ;) is only on 12" and the only Euromasters track. HOWEVER, and I should check up on this, I think the same people may be responsible for most of Rotterdam's output... Sperminator and ROtterdam Termination Source ("No Women Allowed";"Poing") are one and the same. 2. Whoever asked about acid house should check out House Hallucinates Vol. 1 which came out in '88 :) on A&M records. it's available on CD. As far as I'm concerned the first two trax, Sleezy D's "i've Lost Control" and Phuture's "Acid Tracks" are the essence of what Acid House should be. BTW all trax are from Trax Records of Chicago, now extinct. 3. That Prodigy album is available domestic(!!) on vinyl, as a double album (!!). Go out und buy it, djs... 4. The Loft is really cool. I'm not a big breakbeat fan but I enjoy it, and I liked the atmosphere the one time I went. 5. I'm going to Explorer I this weekend, I guess since Metamorphosis is crawling for new quarters and well... 6. Frankie Bones is selling out the New York scene. 7. If we have the first Ne-Raves rave ever, let's have it in Connecticut :) 8. Lenny D joined Disintegrator huh? That explains why their slop took a sudden rise in excellence. guess that's it. --Mr. Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu oh yeah... when someone like me says they hate the idea of a winter rave it's not for lack of imagination... it's just I can't stand weather below 50 degrees and the first image that came to mind was a snow-filled field which because of the wet daytime sonw as night falls the snow freezes around our feet, trapping us... :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 2-DEC-1992 11:14:43.82 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: a hole messa stuff. 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End with . 554-Mail not delivered to some or all recipients: 554 Mail to REFUSED_ is not allowed. 050 QUIT 221 AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done. Original message follows: Received: from AUVM by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7337; Wed, 02 Dec 92 11:09:59 EST Received: from AUVM by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (Mailer R2.08) with BSMTP id 7332; Wed, 02 Dec 92 11:09:56 EST Received: from geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 02 Dec 92 11:09:40 EST Received: from SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU by geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Wed, 2 Dec 92 11:05:06 -0500 Received: from eagle.wesleyan.edu by silver.lcs.mit.edu with SMTP id AA02413; Wed, 2 Dec 92 10:50:37 -0500 From: kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu Message-Id: <9212021550.AA02413@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: A hole messa stuff. Date: Wenzdey Organization: Spiral City Mindfluxers Ltd. Apparently-To: Okay... my mailer does not work so I have to do this all in one fell swoop. 1. Concerning Euromasters and Rotterdam in general... as far as I know "Alles Naar de Kluete" (those are the missing letters, "ue" because with them the name says bad bad cussword ;) is only on 12" and the only Euromasters track. HOWEVER, and I should check up on this, I think the same people may be responsible for most of Rotterdam's output... Sperminator and ROtterdam Termination Source ("No Women Allowed";"Poing") are one and the same. 2. Whoever asked about acid house should check out House Hallucinates Vol. 1 which came out in '88 :) on A&M records. it's available on CD. As far as I'm concerned the first two trax, Sleezy D's "i've Lost Control" and Phuture's "Acid Tracks" are the essence of what Acid House should be. BTW all trax are from Trax Records of Chicago, now extinct. 3. That Prodigy album is available domestic(!!) on vinyl, as a double album (!!). Go out und buy it, djs... 4. The Loft is really cool. I'm not a big breakbeat fan but I enjoy it, and I liked the atmosphere the one time I went. 5. I'm going to Explorer I this weekend, I guess since Metamorphosis is crawling for new quarters and well... 6. Frankie Bones is selling out the New York scene. 7. If we have the first Ne-Raves rave ever, let's have it in Connecticut :) 8. Lenny D joined Disintegrator huh? That explains why their slop took a sudden rise in excellence. guess that's it. --Mr. Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu oh yeah... when someone like me says they hate the idea of a winter rave it's not for lack of imagination... it's just I can't stand weather below 50 degrees and the first image that came to mind was a snow-filled field which because of the wet daytime sonw as night falls the snow freezes around our feet, trapping us... :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 11:16:14 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: i am the walrus...koo-koo-koo-choo / discography request > From sscoen@Athena.MIT.EDU Tue Dec 1 19:09:19 1992 > couple of things I still want to know: You probably already got replies on these, but... > > is "Alles Naar De Kl--te" available on CD? No. > do the Euromasters have an album? No. > Euromasters discography (albums, EPs, CD., CD singles) > "Alles Naar De Kl--te" /Euromasters (Rotterdam Records) any other works... You answered your own question minus a catalog # which I don't have on me. As far as the Euromasters having a full length album or a CD for that matter is pretty unlikely. Not too many techno bands out there end up on CD or come out with a full length album with the exception of Eon and T99 (enough said). To get most of the quality stuff out there, you're stuck with buying vinyl 12"'s. > "Lock-On-Target" /Disintegrator (Industrial Strength) any other works... Lenny Dee has 1 or 2 more 12" out (I believe). I can only tell you that I've seen them in the store, but I can't remember the names of them. Maybe someone else can. Ed: didn't I hand you a Lenny Dee 12" at Newbury Comics when you were up here the other weekend? You bought it too, I think. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: i am the walrus...koo-koo-koo-choo / discography request (fwd) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 10:06:35 MST > Not too many techno bands out there end up on CD or > come out with a full length album with the exception of Eon and T99 (enough > said). To get most of the quality stuff out there, you're stuck with buying > vinyl 12"'s. Dave, Dave, Dave! UNTRUE! I've had Eden Transmission on CD for the past month. As for the "full length" thing, what about Moby, Prodigy, APHEX TWIN, Frank De Wulf, Future Sound of London, Altern8, Underground Resistance, and Biosphere? The list goes on. I maintain that there isn't anything, save the TZ series that I've gone after that wasn't available on CD. I have loads and loads of 12" releases on CD, so what kind of basis do you have for saying "not too many techno bands out there end up on CD"? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: f1sami@uta.fi (Samu Mielonen) Subject: RAVE information sought (please read on kind souls) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 19:28:49 +0200 (EET) Hello there! QUICK SUMMARY: rave information on x-mas / new year raves neede. This will be used in a Finnish techno newsletter coming out soon. If you want to help mail now. I am writing this as a non-list member so I hope that I am not breaking any unwritten codes and want to draw people's attention that if they want to reply, they should do it directly to me also as I am not on this list. Anyway, here's how the story goes: My friend and I run a small techno newstletter thingy here in Finland. It's a small A4 sized xerox that we hand out at raves and clubs to people to spread word on techno / rave related info and to keep the scene alive. We've only come out with 4 issues so far and now the 5th one is in the works. The 5th issue is planned for almost immediate release (in a week) and we would like to include as much record recommendations and rave information in it as possible. As may Finnish ravers will be travelling abroad to spend their x-mas holidays, we would like to include information on raves all over the world. This way people would know in advance that there's something going on in their destination besides the usual club night out. Unfortunately we've been unsuccesful with information on US/UK raves in general and this is where you hopefully come in. If you know of an upcoming rave you think would definately be worth attending, press the mail button now. All information would be appreciated escpecially the time, the place, info-line, musical style, live pa's and dj line up. As I mentioned earlier we're in bit of a hurry and your vote counts ;-). Record recommendations are also welcome (preferably with catalogue numbers included), but the rave info is top priority. Thank you for your time. Keep the faith, Samu Z. Mielonen (f1sami@kielo.uta.fi) P.S. My apologies for the horrendous number of typos and grammatical errors in this post, but I was in a hurry... and if you think I ought to be flamed, please flood my mail box, crack my account or drive over my doggie, but please leave it off the list. the same -- Samu Z. Mielonen f1sami@kielo.uta.fi "We've transferred all knowledge from his brain to our machine." - guess who? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: i am the walrus...koo-koo-koo-choo / discography request Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 12:30:30 EST > Ed: didn't I hand you a Lenny Dee 12" at Newbury Comics when you were up here > the other weekend? You bought it too, I think. That you did, and that I did. It was the Disintegrator E.P., which does contain the "Lock On Target" track. -Ed [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 11:51:11 CST From: hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu Subject: To much Please take me off this group its killing my mail reader [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 13:06:44 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: New Music on CD (was discography request) > From pashdown@slack.sim.es.com Wed Dec 2 12:22:12 1992 > Dave, Dave, Dave! UNTRUE! I've had Eden Transmission on CD for the past > month. As for the "full length" thing, what about Moby, Prodigy, APHEX TWIN, > Frank De Wulf, Future Sound of London, Altern8, Underground Resistance, and > Biosphere? The list goes on. I maintain that there isn't anything, save the > TZ series that I've gone after that wasn't available on CD. I have loads and > loads of 12" releases on CD, so what kind of basis do you have for saying "not > too many techno bands out there end up on CD"? > OK I was a bit hasty with my remarks, however, what I did say was that most "quality" stuff isn't on CD or full length. "Quality" was my interpretation of techno that meets my standards (picky music lover). Let my qualify my earlier remarks, and you can't argue with me here, that if something does end up on a CD comp or a full length it's 99% of the time (by techno expiration time) too old and used up. This brings us to the old argument of how long can songs in the techno genre last. Do they have a long shelf life or a short one? What makes one song better or worse or longer lasting than another? And we all have opinions on this. Here's mine... I quit buying CD comps and waiting for full length albums of my favorite artists long ago. It ain't worth it. By the time your song gets on a comp or the artist records and full length album, I'm not only sick of hearing the song, there are hundreds of others out there on 12" vinyl to keep me so busy listening I barely have time to breath. Oh good Prodigy came out with a full length record, of which we've been hearing the material on it for almost 2 years, OR oh good some UR material *finally* made it to a comp. I haven't seen that yet, but I can only guess it's stuff off of the Rings of Saturn EP or worse, older. lover of dynamic and new music. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 19:40 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Re: New Music on CD (was discography request) >This brings us to the old argument of how long can songs in the techno genre >last. Do they have a long shelf life or a short one? What makes one song >better or worse or longer lasting than another? And we all have opinions on >this. Here's mine... Here is my $0.02 on CD compilations.. I've only been into the Rave scene for about a year, and by buying CD compilations I think I have come up to speed much faster than I would have if I only listened to music in clubs. My job is kinda stressful (programmer) and I can't go clubbing every night or all weekend long without it affecting my work, which is my source of income to write Techno music and publish things. I rely on CD comps to open my eyes to all of this music and "beta test" many groups at one time to see what people are doing. Granted I pay $35 for one CD such as an XLR comp, but if I had to buy 16 singles I think I would pay a lot more. I know the music is older, but because I don't have a turntable I think I'm stuck with this format. Plus, if I want to sample something, CD is the ideal source for me. (Take a listen to the whales for instance in the tribal section of the song that's going on Taylor's compilation.) Just MOP, if course.. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 02 Dec 92 15:15:38 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: It's time to start ... ROLLING! On 2 Dec 92 03:02:35 EST you said: >isnt this sample actually >"its time to start RUNNING!" >from the running man? > >maybe i missed something here, but i dont understand why the title of the >letter is "...ROLLING" It's ...ROLLING because that's the way I've always heard it ever since the first time I heard the song. Also, when he says it in the movie, the "contestants" have been strapped into some sort of carts that roll down a long tube and pop out right in the middle of the destroyed city blocks where the game is played. They don't start out running, they start out rolling, so it does make some sense. Now I'll have to go back to the CD and see what it sounds like again. :) -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 15:15:45 EST From: MOORE@vax.wi.edu Subject: Europe- Me too, Me too ---- Microsoft Mail "Note" message ---- From: Jay Moore on Wed, Dec 2, 1992 2:45 PM Subject: Europe- Me too, Me too To: NE-Raves I also will be going to Europe for the beginning of the New Year (Dec 28-Jan 7 in London/Cambridge, Jan 8-Jan 15 Berlin/Heidelberg). So if any of you way too knowledgeable ravers know of any goings on in those places around those times I would be much MUCH appreciative. thanx Jay : ^ > [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: New Music on CD (was discography request) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 13:48:55 MST > Let my qualify my earlier remarks, and you can't argue with me here, that if > something does end up on a CD comp or a full length it's 99% of the time > (by techno expiration time) too old and used up. I can't argue with you? Dave, you are completely ignoring the CD single market. I just received Egyptian Empire's "Horn Track" on CD single. How old and crusty is that? Apparently you were just listening to "I'm So High" the other day and I've had it on CD for a month. Care to retract your listening habits? CD singles are generally released at the same time or a couple of weeks after the 12". Do you burn your 12"'s after a month? When you speak of CD comps, you seem to only be talking about the domestic garbage "MEGA-TECHNO-RAVE" comps. There are better, newer, fresher comps to be imported, but they're harder to find. > Oh good Prodigy came out with a full length record, of > which we've been hearing the material on it for almost 2 years Seems to me that it was only last January that you were asking about _ANY_ techno, _ANY_ techno at all. All of a sudden you've been listening to Prodigy longer than they've had singles on the market. Also, I'd really like to get "Music Reach" and "Weather Experience" on 12", I suppose you've had those for the past two years as well? Remember, "Charly" came out late summer of '91. Also, all the tracks on the record are new. The older singles were remixed for the album. Investigate first, then speak with authority, not the other way around. > OR oh good > some UR material *finally* made it to a comp. No, it is their album and I received it last June. I don't have the track listing here, but it is copyright 1992. So unless you've been listening to UR for the past five years, it is all very recent (for June). As for other comps, UR is on three or four of the ones I own, some of them were purchased last spring, so what does *finally* really mean? > I haven't seen that yet, but The key factor here. > I can only guess it's stuff off of the Rings of Saturn EP or worse, older. No, X-102 has an album out as well. Apparently you "missed" that one too. > lover of dynamic and new music. Exclusivity with your eyes shut. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: the Hook-up-O-Matic... Date: Wed, 02 Dec 92 17:28:42 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) I'm very sorry if I posted this already, so much work before finals, I can't think straight. I'd like to post the Hook-up-O-Matic on thursday nights, so people can find out who's going on friday before they leave for the rave. As things smooth out, and people know where they're going earlier in the week, in the future I'll be able to post it earlier in the week. So, if you're going raving this weekend, write me before Thursday at midnight! "The more ne-raverz in one place, the better!" SHALAKO a.k.a. [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 17:20:17 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: New Music on CD (was discography request) > From pashdown@slack.sim.es.com Wed Dec 2 16:07:01 1992 > I can't argue with you? Dave, you are completely ignoring the CD single > market. I just received Egyptian Empire's "Horn Track" on CD single. How old > and crusty is that? Apparently you were just listening to "I'm So High" the > other day and I've had it on CD for a month. Care to retract your listening Now Pete, don't take such offense. I certainly didn't mean it that way! I never said I knew EVERYTHING about EVERY release that was currently out or on its way out. No, I don't even know about the "Horn Track" track you mentioned. As far as "I'm so High", I said I was *listening* to it the other day. Not for the FIRST time. > CD comps, you seem to only be talking about the domestic garbage > "MEGA-TECHNO-RAVE" comps. There are better, newer, fresher comps to be > imported, but they're harder to find. > You're sure right about that. The amount of domestic garbage comps out there are visibly present and increasing (unfortunately). And yes there are some good imported CD comps out there with fresh stuff on them. One that comes to mind is the recent *domestic* release of the Tresor Comp. That's damn fantastic. We've all spent $30 a pop for decent import comps. It's just fortunate now that I have alternative sources for new music because I *was* relying on CD comps and waiting patiently for full length albums to satisfy me up til about 4 months ago. > "Music Reach" and "Weather Experience" on 12", I suppose you've had those for > the past two years as well? Remember, "Charly" came out late summer of '91. > Also, all the tracks on the record are new. The older singles were remixed > for the album. Investigate first, then speak with authority, not the other > way around. I first heard Prodigy a little over a year ago. I *assumed* that it had been out longer than that, since at that point I was *just* getting into it. So "Charly" was released almost a year and a half ago and they just released an album, what, a month ago? My point is not that it's necessarily good OR bad. I was talking about the availability of fresh music on CD. I wish ALL the stuff was available on CD for listening purposes. It's just that most of the stuff that I like I CAN'T FIND on CD The stuff *I* like. Not the stuff that everyone else should like. I was simply stating an opinion of the type of stuff that *I* like and where I can find it. Yes I have lost interest in the CD market lately. Maybe there is stuff that I wanna hear on CD. If so, tell me I'm wrong and I'll go right out and buy it. There's alot of fresh Progressive House coming out of the UK right now. Can I go buy the latest Acorn Arts EP on CD? Can I find Pascal's Bongo Massive Vol. 3 on CD? Can I find Prop Dept.'s "Move to the Groove" on CD? How about "That Piano Track" by Outrage? SoundClash Republic "Followup"? "Quadrex" Class Apparent? I think this one is old, "The Land of Oz" by Spooky? I would LUV to find this stuff on CD and have crystal clear recordings of them. Pete, I wasn't attacking the CD market as a whole. I was saying that my experience with it has been less than satisfying. If for no other reason than pure laziness, 12" offer a quick road to great music (if, of course, you spend the time looking). I've spent too much F**KING money on $30 comps and full length albums that have maybe a few good tracks on them. The rest of the stuff is either too old or just plain bad. One purchase that comes to mind is Serious Beats #5 which I bought maybe 4 months ago (?). Now I'm not saying by any means that SB#5 was the best of what's out there, but it had some good stuff on it. Among other atrocities, it had Snap's "Rhythm is a Dancer" on it. WHat a waste. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: Hard Copy Date: Wed, 02 Dec 92 18:09:50 -0500 Do yourselves a favor and do not watch Hard Copy tomorrow (unless you're a glutton for punishment). I caught the tail end of today's show. They showed a preview of "The Day Rave Music Died" or some such title. Synopsis: Girl goes to a rave. Bright lights, big city. Hip music playing in the background (some Nirvana tune!). Gunshots. Girl dies. Raves bad. Paul -- beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 18:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Whats happened? Does anybody out here in computer-land know what has happened to the virtual-rave thing at berkeley. I have been refused connection for the last 24 hours! Whats happened??? - aLaN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 18:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: Whats happened? Does anybody out here in computer-land know what has happened to the virtual-rave thing at berkeley. I have been refused connection for the last 24 hours! Whats happened??? - aLaN [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 15:45:50 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Whats happened? Well, it was down for a few hours yesterday morning, and today around 3:15 or so until just now... there's a bug that I can't seem to find, but I'll keep looking. It runs great most of the time... so if you haven't checked it out yet WHADDAYA WAITIN' FOR? :) Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: CD vs Vinyl Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 17:02:21 MST > Now Pete, don't take such offense. I certainly didn't mean it that way! I know, but as a few other people have found out, I'm very defensive on my choice to use CDs. When someone starts making comments like "there isn't any good techno on CD" I get rather irate. > As far as "I'm so High", I said I was *listening* to it the other > day. Not for the FIRST time. So it is starting to become old and boring already? > So "Charly" was released almost a year and a half ago and they just released > an album, what, a month ago? My point is not that it's necessarily good OR > bad. I was talking about the availability of fresh music on CD. My point is that everything on the album is fresh. My point is that there are simultaneous releases on CD. It isn't such a back-ass format that you try to make it out to be. Just a harder one to acquire due to the domination of vinyl. But even the small labels do simultaneous releases. No, it hasn't gotten to the point of white label yet, but are you saying it will never? Do you honestly believe that it is harder to press a CD than vinyl? Surprise. > I wish ALL the stuff was available on CD for listening purposes. Most of it is. Like I said, the only thing I haven't been able to track down is the TZ series, but I do have one on a comp. > Yes I have lost interest in the CD market lately. Maybe there is stuff that > I wanna hear on CD. If so, tell me I'm wrong and I'll go right out and buy it. Mail me for back issues :-). Everything I review is off of CD. > There's alot of fresh Progressive House coming out of the UK right now. > Can I go buy the latest Acorn Arts EP on CD? Can I find Pascal's Bongo > Massive Vol. 3 on CD? Can I find Prop Dept.'s "Move to the Groove" on CD? > How about "That Piano Track" by Outrage? SoundClash Republic "Followup"? > "Quadrex" Class Apparent? I think this one is old, "The Land of Oz" by Spooky? Acorn Arts, yes. I don't know about the other stuff, I haven't gone after it. Can I find Logic Trance on vinyl? How many places have you seen Biosphere? Popping out a list of names and demanding that I state whether they are on CD or not is ridiculous. I buy CDs, I don't sell them. > spend the time looking). I've spent too much F**KING money on $30 comps and > full length albums that have maybe a few good tracks on them. The rest of > the stuff is either too old or just plain bad. Comps run me about $20, but I've probably wasted more money than you. I've stuck to buying CD-EPs and CD singles and comps put out by labels rather than comps of zillions of artists from different labels. > One purchase that comes to mind is Serious Beats #5 which I bought maybe > 4 months ago (?). Now I'm not saying by any means that SB#5 was the best of > what's out there, but it had some good stuff on it. Among other atrocities, > it had Snap's "Rhythm is a Dancer" on it. WHat a waste. So this is one of the reasons you condemn CDs as a whole? Your logic is hard to follow. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: XDZebra Review #18 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 17:32:06 MST XDZebra Review #18 Addiction PO Box 510192 Salt Lake City, UT 84151-0192 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational Music: FAX 805/893-8553, Phone 805/564-4949, email angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu Back issues are available. Mail me if interested. This is all my opinion. Flames against a review are pretty pointless, so don't bother. Let me know if you have any other comments though. The number next to the index is the "dance factor". 5 = high, 1 = low XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #18 Contents: The Prodigy: Experience ZZB Compilation Force II Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works 85-92 Church of Extacy: Devil Beats Homeboy, Hippie, and Funki Dredd: Turbulence The Prodigy: Experience Elektra/XL: 9 61365-2 1 4 03:43 Jericho 2 5 04:12 Music Reach (1/2/3/4) 3 4 04:33 Wind it Up 4 3 05:31 Your Love (Remix) 5 5 05:15 Hyperspeed (G-Force Part 2) 6 4 05:13 Charly (Trip Into Drum and Bass Version) 7 4 04:58 Out of Space 8 3 04:11 Everybody in the Place (155 and Rising) 9 5 08:05 Weather Experience 10 4 04:59 Fire (Sunrise Version) 11 3 05:09 Ruff in the Jungle Bizness 12 4 03:44 Death of the Prodigy Dancers (Live) Comments: This album places Liam Howlett as the definite breakbeat master. Unlike a lot of breakbeat compilations, I wasn't snoozing by the end, and unlike some techno artists, Liam wisely placed new remixes of his singles on this album for everyone who already owns them. The result is one of the best releases of the year. New tracks like "Music Reach" and "Weather Experience" have me scraping my brain off the ground with their explosive energy. Of all the remixes, "Hyperspeed" dominates in a blur of speed. In comparison, "Everybody" is a little weak. "Ruff" and "Death" are also a bit mushy. The production is superior, with each track blending from one to the other, but still distinctly indexed for single play. Summary: 9/10. Prodigy is definitely a cut above the rest. ZZB Compilation Zazaboem: ZZB 021 CD 1 5 03:25 Lewis Lovebump: Spacetime 2 3 03:58 Sonic Adventure: The Mission 3 2 06:52 D-Bleep: I Can't Let You Go 4 3 03:47 BBC: Stump to the Boomin' Beat 5 4 05:43 Lewis Lovebump: Bee of Honey 6 3 03:40 Uranus: Superstar 7 2 08:03 D.O.G.: The Key 8 4 05:59 Mind Over Rhythm: Kubital Footstormer 9 5 04:29 Eden Transmission: I'm So High Comments: I only bought this disk for the Eden Transmission track, but there are a few other gems on here as well. However, there are some real stinkers too. Can you imagine a techno version of "Jesus Christ Superstar"? Uranus delivers it to you in all its bowel emptying glory. Sonice Adventure and BBC sound like bad versions of Quadrophonia, which isn't great in the first place. Lewis Lovebump does deliver some interesting acid, "Bee of Honey" is especially cool. D.O.G. is ambient house in the DFC smooth style, Mind Over Rhythm sounds a lot like System 7. Finally, back to "I'm So High", Eden Transmission transports us on a deep pumping cross between ambience and a driving chant. Summary: 6/10. The highlights are really swell, but the drek is appalling. Force II ARS Productions: 656 810-2 1 5 05:02 Praga Kahn: Injected With a Poison (Adam's Power Mix) 2 3 07:16 Meng Syndicate: Lill's Old 3 4 05:47 KC Flightt: Voices (Out of Reach Mix) 4 4 05:26 Jambo!: Drumattack 5 4 06:23 Flux: True Feelings 6 3 05:23 Quadrophonia: The Man With the Masterplan (Second Wave Mix) 7 5 06:02 Mainx: 88 to Piano (Terrif-X Mix) 8 3 06:56 Shut Up: Move (Feel It) (Instrumental) 9 4 06:19 Transformer 2: Pacific Symphony Too (Italian Smooth Remix) 10 3 03:51 The Maxx: Minimax 11 3 05:38 Holy Noise: Get Down Everybody (Funky Beat Mix) 12 2 05:53 The Second Wave: Let The Groove Move (Groove Mix) Comments: Not a bad collection of tracks from Belgium's ARS label. About half of the bands listed are not on ARS though. Despite the cover's hype of "Exclusive 12" Mixes", I do have several of these tracks on other compilations and singles. "Voices" surprised the Police fan inside me with the same chorus lyrics from their release "Voices Inside My Head" thrown onto a funky tribal beat. Quadrophonia's track is OK, but this is better than their standard level of "annoying." Other highlights are Meng Syndicate, Mainx, and Transformer 2. Summary: 7/10. Good collection of acid, tribal, and a bit of trance. Better than the majority of comps out today. Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works 85-92 R&S: AMB3922 CD 1 3 04:54 Xtal 2 2 09:07 Tha 3 3 03:48 Pulsewidth 4 2 05:23 Ageispolis 5 1 01:18 i 6 4 06:05 Green Calx 7 4 04:54 Heliosphan 8 4 07:43 We are the Music Makers 9 2 05:09 Schottkey 7th Path 10 4 07:14 Ptolemy 11 2 06:04 Hedphelym 12 3 05:29 Delphium 13 2 07:36 Actium Comments: A stunning dive into the analog realm. Aphex Twin reaches for new sounds and rhythms as he explores the world of electronic music. Ambient, yes, but at the same time, some very dancy trancy tracks on here. "Xtal" is stunningly beautiful. I was besieged with, "What is this?" requests last time I DJ'd it. "Green Calx" manages to be hard and ambient at the same time, it sounds like guitar strings being run over by a drill press. There is a bit of sampling scattered throughout, but you have to listen for it since it definitely doesn't fall under the standard "sound bite" usage. Summary: 9/10. Analog heaven composed by a musical genius. Church of Extacy: Devil Beats Sonic Records: SNC-2013-2 1 4 05:12 Devil Beats (Sonic Temple) 2 5 06:48 Devil Beats (Dance With the Devil) 3 3 05:49 Devil Beats (Who is Jesus) 4 3 06:03 Devil Beats (Disciples of Trance) 5 4 05:28 O.K. Comments: Although each track stands on its own, rather than variations on a theme, Newmann & Wells have continued their same level of boringness as the first Church of Extacy EP. Of course, that EP had at least one decent mix, and this does as well, "Dance With the Devil". The rest of the EP is just the same old diddling with the same hard techno sound. "Who is Jesus" has got to be a joke, since it sounds very close to Interactive's "Who is Elvis", but that is beyond the point since both songs suck. Summary: 4/10. Phooey. Liquidate the church and give us some more GTO. Homeboy, Hippie, and Funki Dredd: Turbulence Rising High: RSN28CD 1 3 05:30 Revelations 2 5 06:39 Now is the Future 3 5 05:37 Drop It 4 4 06:09 We're Gonna Rock This Motha' Fucker 5 4 05:17 Hardcore Heaven Mix 6 4 06:04 Revelations (Dettro Mix) Comments: A much cleaner release for HHFD than some of their past singles. There is a bit of annoying chipmunk sampling, but their regular samples are right on, including the FGTH "Relax" sample in the "Dettro Mix". "Now is the Future" smoothly shifts from house to hardcore, back to house again all the while cleanly preserving a raging beat. "Drop It" sticks to the hardcore with more of a rumbling bass, then tosses guitars in later. On all the tracks they manage to come up with some great drum lines. Summary: 8/10. Acid, ragga, hardcore, and house twisted into original mixes. HHFD makes some yummy beats. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1992 23:29:29 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: MBM at the limelight (LONG) yesterday: marshal (mars) comes up to me at lunch and says, "hey- did you know that meat beat manifesto, orbital, and ultramarine are coming to the limelight tonight?" i said, "no, i didn't..." he said, "well, do you want to go?" upon practically no deliberation of what this would do to my already backlogged workload i said, "yeah!" and plans were made. we left lehigh at 6 or so with 5 other people we picked up on our way out :) when we got there we parked and walked around the village for a while and i picked up a pair of purple colored glasses (heehee). marshal spent 1/2 hour looking for a ring (no shit!) to put on his other finger. we got to the limelight _really_ early and it was practically empty. i hadn't been there for a while and we were walking around and exploring. me and mars met maho, a promoter for the limelight, when she came up to me and asked me if i wanted to be on the nasa guest list. we started talking about raves and stuff and she handed me a flyer for uni-vibe (supposedly to be held in "secret manhatten location" on dec 19- i'll send the whole thing to laura for rave-o-matic). ultramarine (imo) was ok, nothing special. orbital i liked a lot better but i thought they would have been different- i had only heard their halycon ep (where they sample opus III "it's a fine day") but their other stuff seemed almost new age-ish in parts. dave kendall came on to introduce "ahltrahmahrine" but after he was booed off some other guy came out to introduce the bands. next after orbital was meat beat. when they came on the floor got incredibly crowded and i started stumbling over glass beer bottles on the floor. the instant they started playing everyone started moshing (or whatever you could call it)- people were floating and were really violently pushing each other- a fight broke out right next to me halfway through their set... music-wise i thought they were pretty good- the vocals could have been a tad louder but it sounded great on the limelight sound system. from what i remember, they played "psyche-out", "hello teenage america", "10x faster than the speed of love", and "genocide" plus a bunch more. they also came out for an encore and played a song that sampled moby's "go"- those huge sound crashes in the beginning. this is the funny part: right after mbm, the floor TOTALLY cleared out. the dj (wasn't fletcher) span that alles song that we've been talking about- he also played "next is the e" (2nd time that night). as we were leaving we ran into heather heather (i had met her at sputnik II) and talked for a little. i also got to meet dante for the first time. he is really cool, really nice, really everything- i wanted to stay and talk but he had to go... tony fletcher SUCKS as a dj- his actual technical skills are WAY off- i seriously could have gotten up there and done a better job myself; no shit. the music he played was also old- messiah's "temple of dreams", that incredibly fast moby song (well not old but sort of commercial), and "next is the e", to name a few... oh, well- what can ya do? see you all (hopefully) at explorer.... e va n [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Full-length CD's... Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92 00:06:33 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Well, this is the final listing I've compiled on full length CD's by single artists...please e-mail me if you find any more... Future Sound of London-Accelerator--import Quadrophonia-Quadrophonia U96-Das Boot LFO-Frequencies Moby-Moby Orbital-Orbital Prodigy-Experience Eon-Void Dweller T99-Children Of Chaos React 2 Rhythm-Whatever You Dream--available in US? Lords of Acid-Lust Channel X-???--available in US? Altern8-???--available in US? 2-Unlimited-???--available in US? That's basically it...anything more would be great--especially import titles--like, for instance, does Aphex Twin have a full-length (or any) CD release in the US or elsewhere? --John S. KNEE-raver [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: Se-Wai Lee Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 22:49:06 PST Subject: RE: Full-length CD's... Others in addition: Fortran 5: Blues Orb: UFOrb, Ultraworld etc Bizarre Inc: (don't remember album title) Utah Saints: Something Good EP (album to come Dec 8) 808 State: United State, EX:EL, (new album pretty soon) Opus III: Mind Fruit Shamen: En-Tact, (new album whose title I can't recall; it sucks) Ultramarine: (new album pretty soon, if not already) 2 Unlimited has a domestic album but it's stupid. Altern8's album "Mask Hysteria" is supposed to go domestic in the near future. - C.Y. ---------- From: To: Subject: Full-length CD's... Date: Thursday, December 03, 1992 12:06am Well, this is the final listing I've compiled on full length CD's by single artists...please e-mail me if you find any more... Future Sound of London-Accelerator--import Quadrophonia-Quadrophonia U96-Das Boot LFO-Frequencies Moby-Moby Orbital-Orbital Prodigy-Experience Eon-Void Dweller T99-Children Of Chaos React 2 Rhythm-Whatever You Dream--available in US? Lords of Acid-Lust Channel X-???--available in US? Altern8-???--available in US? 2-Unlimited-???--available in US? That's basically it...anything more would be great--especially import titles--like, for instance, does Aphex Twin have a full-length (or any) CD release in the US or elsewhere? --John S. KNEE-raver [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Wed, 2 Dec 92 23:19:52 -0800 From: rox@netcom.com (Roxanna Stieber) Subject: RAVE information sought (please read on kind souls) THE GATHERING The circle is now complete ALL WELLCOME Dj's: JOSH JENO CARTH SPUN MARKIE-MARK SIMON 1 year anniversary celebration Thurs. Dec. 31st LOCATION INFO: 415/267-4800 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: vrave... Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92 04:15:25 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) it seems to be working fine to me... however, the word from brian is that if telnet haas.berkeley.edu 7283 is down, try 7282, as he has installed a backup there. SHALAKO [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] p.s. if you're raving, send me the info, so i can put it in the Hook-up-O-Matic... thanx u munch [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Therzdey 3 Deeesember 1992 From: "Mr. Sparkle" Subject: MBM at Limelite This sort of in reply to e va n's letter, and also because I would've posted anyway... Firstly, lemme tell you about 11/10, the nite MBM should've played but for INS... I thought Ultramarine was fuckin hot. I swear, it was like I was drinking their music. Mmmm. Total hip-hop beat enriched... some Brooklyn kid, remembering his roots started mad ticking during the show. Orbital that nite was not that great. They did two sets to make up for MBM's absence... Okay now, Dec. 1. We got there about 11 PM, Ultramarine had already played and Orbital was just starting. (Obviously e va n, if you weren't a tourist you would've realized to come late. punctuality is tres uncool in NYC. ;) ;) actually we had some fucked up highway rerouting to blame. what was funny was that Orbital seemed to go unnoticed until they started to play "Halcyon" (s song I find kind of vapid but which sample Opus III's vocalist) and then people started filling the floor massively. I should mention that this show was the most "Industrial" a crowd I had seen at Communion in ages, at least since... oh... MBM's July '91 show. Orbital did a much better job than last time, and altho I'm not a big fan I kinda liked their stuf... was good t' chill t'. There was about an hour between Orbital and MBM in which I went into the back but I came out just in time for MBM's first song. Dang, whatever it was, the SHIT WAS DOPE!!! Some off-the-cuff thing, maybe? Anyway the next song was either Psyche-Out (Remixed incredibly... they also played the "This Is what..." Version I thing during the show too) or Helter Skelter but the crowd went wild. Too wild. Like e va n said, moshing commenced because it was too damn crowded. Originally near the front i threaded my way back until I could dance in peace. The moshing died down pretty quickly tho. People evn stage-dove, and rode the crowd. I'm sorry but if I may say so, the reason slam-dancing was invented was because punk was too fucking fast to dance normally too. With MBM there is no excuse for that shit. I'd have to day the fight e va n mentioned was the end of the violent moshing. Oh yeah... the music. they played some kind of wicked remix of Hello Teenage America. Radio Babylon got played (my favorite MBM) and altho I went wild, most of the crowd acted as if they had never heard it before. Genocide, Still Falling (I cant recall exactly if that was played) Edge of No Control, Helter Skelter, 10x faster, some super-remixed I Got the Fear... Jack seems to be liking th' old techno music. He sampled "I am the God of Hellfire" (Prodigy) and "Somebody give the Lord a hanclap" (Meng Syndicate) [those are the samples, not songtitles] and played those over Psyche-Out. All I know is the show was hype. It was sweet. I was afraid MBM wouldn't play any of the old (a la 7/91) but they did not disappoint. BTW does anybody know what happened to Marcus (the dancer)? He was so fucking fantastic at the older show. I had looked forward to seeing him bust out again but... has he left the group? As e va n mentioned the first song played immediately after was ALLES, one of my alltime favorites (I would have been the boy with the thorn in his side who went mental with the red pants and 99% MBM shirt, e va n). We had to leave tho... Thank God for Explorer I tho! Cant wait to hear DX-13 again. Making the World Safer for 8"x11" Paper, Mr. Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 02:04:19 PST From: "Pat Dote" Subject: RE: Full-length CD's... REPLY TO 12/02/92 23:11 FROM cxylee@microsoft.com "Se-Wai Lee": RE: Full-length CD's... the react2rhythm is available in the us. eventhough, i know much of it is cheesy, i really like it. its a kindler, gentler, deeper, slowere rave. not as ominous as papua new guinea, but less rambling than the orb. you get the idea? here]s a cd single everyone in the states slept on (i think), by everyone, i mean those who are in the position of making the club hits, ie. reps, djs, promoters: SL2`s on a ragga tip. one of thee finest breakbeats available IMHO. i think the new (a)sham(e)(n) is Boss Drum. dude, like boss album, totaly girbaudalicious. hated it. other single name releases that aren]t singles? hmmm.... Psychic TV unless you don]t count PTV as rave. the ultramarine album is great if you need something to play at 8am when you have a hangover - they]re attempt at acid jazz (saratoga) is more like acid {health section of the news intro musik} little louie vega supposedly has an album out, and from that same source, i heard its dope. but maybe that]s too house for everyone? what else? i]m naively tapped-out. but ask me about single releases from new york in the acid jazz ny house flavor on vinyl in the past 5 monthes and. go ahead, i dare you.... {B)= pat hope it was some help hey - i just needed to talk to someone thanks for being there. To: cxylee@microsoft.com cc: NE-RAVES@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 14:20 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Smart E's Album Just picked up Smart E's FULL LENGTH album today on CD. Overall, I really like it. It, of course, has Sesame's Treat on it, but it also has 12 other tracks, most of which I liked. The last track was pretty funny... it seemed to be a "live" recording in the studio where they talk to each other and play this lil' tune and "prove" that rave music has a melody. Check it out, I think you'll like it. LOTS Of breakbeat stuff. _________________________________________________________________________ /^ ^\ (=============================================================================) | Eric McCormick /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ 0004775674@MCIMail.com | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~Improving Life through Perfect Code~\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | (=============================================================================) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92 10:33:22 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Full-length CD's... On Thu, 03 Dec 92 00:06:33 -0500 you said: > >Well, this is the final listing I've compiled on full length >CD's by single artists...please e-mail me if you find any more... How about u.f.orb by the Orb? -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92 10:51:52 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: New Music on CD (was discography request) On Wed, 2 Dec 92 13:48:55 MST you said: >> if something does end up on a CD comp or a full length it's 99% of the time >> (by techno expiration time) too old and used up. Too old and used up? By "techno expiration time" perhaps, but no matter how "old" a song is, it's always new to someone. I'm sure the techno I'm hearing now is old by the standards of those who have unlimited amounts of money, know a store that sells vinyl (what's that? :), and go to every rave around, but it's still new to me, and probably others. >CD comps, you seem to only be talking about the domestic garbage >"MEGA-TECHNO-RAVE" comps. There are better, newer, fresher comps to be >imported, but they're harder to find. And they cost $23-$25, or more. I went out looking for some the other day, gulped at the prices, and put them back on the shelf. At least the domestic comps are in the more affordable $12-$15 range. If anybody wants to make compilation tapes of the latest vinyl releases, I'm sure there are people (myself included) who'd like to hear them, but I don't hear that happening often, and my request to the one person who said he was going to do such a thing went unanswered. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1992 11:21:06 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: New Music on CD (was discography request) >And they cost $23-$25, or more. Some imported compilations will cost you MUCH MORE! Newest inported releases can run up to $50-$75 a piece! I agree that, although they may be kinda old, domestics are the best buy. Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1992 11:40:15 -0500 From: Digital Druid Hey there...when I was in modern music in baltimore, I was speaking with Bobble (atomic vibe tribe) for a while and he wanted me to post to anyone on the net that he's always interested in DJing. So if any of you are interested, drop me a line and I'll give you his number... He mostly plays breakbeat, ambient and (progressive?) house. IMHO he's a really great DJ... But you know, this shouldn't be the end of the post. I wouldn't mind putting together a list of DJs. If any of you would like to submit a name, how to reach this person and the style of music they play, please e-me the info...thanx. digital druid 2 + 2 = 3.999999999999999999 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 11:45:03 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: New Music on CD (was discography request) Dave Writes, >Too old and used up? By "techno expiration time" perhaps, but no matter >how "old" a song is, it's always new to someone. I'm sure the techno I'm >hearing now is old by the standards of those who have unlimited amounts >of money, know a store that sells vinyl (what's that? :), and go to >every rave around, but it's still new to me, and probably others. > >>CD comps, you seem to only be talking about the domestic garbage >>"MEGA-TECHNO-RAVE" comps. There are better, newer, fresher comps to be >>imported, but they're harder to find. > >And they cost $23-$25, or more. I went out looking for some the other >day, gulped at the prices, and put them back on the shelf. At least the >domestic comps are in the more affordable $12-$15 range. > My suggestion to people who are trying to "catch up" which is what I have been doing the last few months is to go to used cd stores. It's really a good way to pick up a lot of material inexpensively. Also, most used cd stores let you listen to the cds (since they are already open). Even if you don't like it it's fairly easy to return it (if its a cool store. If not, just tell them that that your cd player couldn't track selection x. that always works for me). Once you do get caught up you have to go back and buy them the old fashioned way and pay retail. As an example, I have baught eon (i forget the title),prodigy-the experience,react to the rhythm,utah saints,don't techno for an answer 1,2, altern8-full-on... , inner city-praise,orbital,t99-children .., and more which I can't think of right now. All of these were had for $6-9. Also, if you can wait a week or two from when a cd is released they tend to pop up in these kind of stores. For example, I bought MBM-satryicon the day it was released and 2 days later I was in a used cd store and I saw 3 used copies for sale. If anyone is interested in names of used cd stores in the DC area, just give me a buzz and I'll give you my favorites. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: RE: Full-length CD's... Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 10:02:23 MST > Fortran 5: Blues > Orb: UFOrb, Ultraworld etc > Bizarre Inc: (don't remember album title) > Utah Saints: Something Good EP (album to come Dec 8) EP's are not LP's, if what you want is an EP list, I could give you loads. > 808 State: United State, EX:EL, (new album pretty soon) > Opus III: Mind Fruit > Shamen: En-Tact, (new album whose title I can't recall; it sucks) Boss Drum, Shamen also have about four non-techno albums. > Ultramarine: (new album pretty soon, if not already) The last (techno) album is called "Every Man and Woman is a Star", they also have two older albums. One is called "Folk". > 2 Unlimited has a domestic album but it's stupid. Altern8's album > "Mask Hysteria" is supposed to go domestic in the near future. "Full On Mask Hysteria" > Future Sound of London-Accelerator--import > Quadrophonia-Quadrophonia This is not the name of the Quadrophonia album, it is their single. I've forgotten the name of the album. I don't own it. I hate them. > U96-Das Boot > LFO-Frequencies > Moby-Moby > Orbital-Orbital > Prodigy-Experience > Eon-Void Dweller > T99-Children Of Chaos > React 2 Rhythm-Whatever You Dream--available in US? > Lords of Acid-Lust > Channel X-???--available in US? I think this is called "A Million Colors" > Altern8-???--available in US? "Full On Mask Hysteria" > 2-Unlimited-???--available in US? > > That's basically it...anything more would be great--especially > import titles--like, for instance, does Aphex Twin have a > full-length (or any) CD release in the US or elsewhere? Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92 Biosphere - Microgravity Fierce Ruling Diva - Fierce Ruling Diva Frank De Wulf - The First Three Years Hypnotone - Ai, Hypnotone System 7 - System 7 777 - 777 (Domestic System 7) The Grid - ??? Underground Resistance - Resistance for Change X-102 Discovers The Rings of Saturn N-Joi was supposed to come out with an album called "The First Power" but it never saw the light of day. Then there are a ton of borderline groups like Armageddon Dildos, PWEI, and Renegade Soundwave that you aren't taking into account. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: MBM at Limelite Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 10:22:36 MST > be liking th' old techno music. He sampled "I am the God of Hellfire" > (Prodigy) and "Somebody give the Lord a hanclap" (Meng Syndicate) > [those are the samples, not songtitles] and played those over Psyche-Out. "Hellfire" is from Arthur Brown and the "handclap" sample was used long before Meng Syndicate, "Hallucination Generation" for example. Jack wasn't sampling techno bands, he was using the same samples as techno bands. God only knows how many techno bands have sampled Jack though. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: New Music on CD (was discography request) (fwd) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 10:35:20 MST > >And they cost $23-$25, or more. > > Some imported compilations will cost you MUCH MORE! Newest inported releases > can run up to $50-$75 a piece! > I agree that, although they may be kinda old, domestics are the best buy. You're getting ripped off. I never pay more than $25 for the newest and the bestest (unless it is a double disc). Check with Ear/Rational. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1992 12:13:59 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT BedRock Productions Presents: The childrens chewable warehouse party F L I N T S T O N E S Saturday Dec 12, 1992 Twas the 12th day before Christmas and all through the warehouse, not a raver was stirring, not even a mouse. Til what before my Xing wandering eyes should appear---- But Fred Flintstone all decked in rave gear!! Wise Techno Men --------------- Mr Kleen- NASA, Sputnick; NY,NY Mike Meachum- Fith Column; DC and introducing: Santa Freds newest helper- DJ Say Snow Filled Room ---------------- so you can rest your weary head and trance your body Guy Oldhams- Easturn Block; Manchester, England Earic Patten- Tracks; DC FX yourHEAD- Flintstones, DC Smart Bar and Dumb Videos techno stocking stuffers given by MC Bitch holiday greetings given by DC's own door girl Julie Jules covered by Bohemia Magazine promos by TekGuru Mike Roberts Tickets to sit on Freds lap......$10 ------------------------------------ 1234 9th Street NW, Washington DC 1234 9th Street NW, Washington DC 1234 9th Street NW, Washington DC 1234 9th Street NW, Washington DC Pay at Door Freds Gift Line: (202) 331-4465 [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 12:44:42 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: MBM Does anyone know if and when MBM/Orbital/Ultramarine will be playing in the DC Area? ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: concert tontight... Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92 12:52:05 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) who's going to MBM, orbital, and Ultramarine at Axis tonight? lovE...pEAcE...rAvE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Achieving ravelightenment is so much more fun with friends..." S H A L A K O < < t e c h n o k a c h i n a > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [ b l i s s m a s t e r s h h h h . . . ] sscoen@athena.mit.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1992 12:59:53 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (mindFuck) Subject: RE: Full-length CD's... >Then there are a ton of borderline groups like >Armageddon Dildos, PWEI, and Renegade Soundwave that you aren't taking into >account. > have you listened to the new pwei? it sounds nothing like their last album- almost alternative rock oriented when i was expecting (and hoping for) a more techno-oriented base... oh, well... e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 12:40:35 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: New Music on CD (was discography request) > Some imported compilations will cost you MUCH MORE! Newest inported releases > can run up to $50-$75 a piece! > I agree that, although they may be kinda old, domestics are the best buy. If you're looking for new music and you want an alternative to CD comps that may be a) too old and/or b) too expensive, try the smart bars at your local clubs/raves. Alot of times, here in Boston anyway, they will also be selling recently made tapes by local DJs. I get alot of great music just from that. dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 13:00:56 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: concert tontight... > who's going to MBM, orbital, and Ultramarine at Axis tonight? I was thinking about it. But $16 !! Nah.. Besides, I heard that Adam X was spinning at Venus tonight!! Yippee! dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 13:41 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: it's BADGE ORDER time again Okay, I've FINALLY finished all the badges from the last batch. Everyone who has paid for a badge has had a badge sent to them (or will have one sent to them, as I noted in private mail to the 9 people I owed badges to). SO, I'm taking orders again. But this time the procedure is a little different, please skim through this whole message before you hit that reply key. If your ordered a badge previously but did not pay for it, please re-order under the new system. What they look like (they hang from that ball/chain/lamp pull type stuff): FRONT -------- ------------------------- | | It's hard to describe this, but | | superimposed over the word CONNECT is | | the ne-raves logo, which is supposed to | | represent a computer network -- 4 circles | | (nodes) connected by lines. | C O N N E C T | | | | | | | | | | | | ne-raves@silver.lcs | This is actually the full address here. | | | | | ----------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | This little "window" is actually a piece | | | | of (rather weak but still functional) | | | | diffraction grating -- for raving fun! | | | | The whole front side is bright green | ----------------- | with black lettering. | | ------------------------- BACK -------- ------------------------- | | | R O | Between the words "Reach" and "out" there | | is a white label with black letters. On | | the first line is the name you want | E | to be called, the second is your email | | address, and the third is either your | | full name or your net/mail name. | A U | | | | | | C | | | | | | H T | | ----------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | The whole back side is hot neon pink | ----------------- | with black lettering. | | ------------------------- I will collect orders until I have at least 20 (the minimum for me to get a discount on the lamination). When I have at least 20 I will laminate the badges and get them to you as quickly as possible. So, how long it takes you to get your badge depends on how quickly I collect 20+ orders. TO ORDER ------ Fill out the following form and send it to Laura La Gassa 218 Madison St. Apt. 1-S Hoboken, NJ 07030 Include a check or money order for $3.00 made out to me, or send cash. ALTERNATE ORDERING METHOD ------ Fill out the following form and hand it to me at a a rave, along with $3.00 (cash). There is a 90% chance I will be at EXPLORER I. There is a 100% chance I will be at the ne-raves pre-STORM Christmas party (since it is at my house), and a 100% chance I will be at STORM. Sorry, but purposes of my own personal sanity all email orders will be ignored. ----------------NE-RAVES--BADGE--ORDER--FORM---------------------------------- "real" name: ___________________________________________________ US mail address: _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ name you like to be called: ____________________________________ email address: _________________________________________________ "net" name if you want to use one: _____________________________ ----------------NE-RAVES--BADGE--ORDER--FORM---------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 14:15:54 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Metamorphasis Does anybody know the scoop on Metamorphasis this weekend? Did they find another location? dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 14:42 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Metamorphasis Dave: >Does anybody know the scoop on Metamorphasis this weekend? > >Did they find another location? I just called the info line. The phone message said to leave your name and number and they'd get back to you. The message did not say if the rave was happening or if it was not happening. In fact, the message went something like: "Hi. You are probably calling about the upcoming METAMORPHOSIS event in Boston, December 5. No one is here to take your call right now, but if you leave your name and number someone will get back to you later." Laura [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 3-DEC-1992 15:31:58.96 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: RE: Full-length CD's... P'ashdown writes: >Underground Resistance - Resistance for Change >X-102 Discovers The Rings of Saturn I just wanna add that the above two selections meet wholeheartedly my hardcore stamp of approval. ;) >N-Joi was supposed to come out with an album called "The First Power" but it >never saw the light of day. Then there are a ton of borderline groups like NO!!!! Does this mean it's never going to be released? And after patiently waiting for nine fucking months?! Aaaaigh!! Now how am I gonna know what all those songs were they played on Live in Manchester? Which actually now that I think of it, has NJoi released anything besides Mindflux EP, Anthem 12", and Live in Manchester? Limbo is Better than Nothing, Mr. Sparkle [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: 3-DEC-1992 15:36:53.70 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: MBM at Limelite >> be liking th' old techno music. He sampled "I am the God of Hellfire" >> (Prodigy) and "Somebody give the Lord a hanclap" (Meng Syndicate) >> [those are the samples, not songtitles] and played those over Psyche-Out. >"Hellfire" is from Arthur Brown and the "handclap" sample was used long before >Meng Syndicate, "Hallucination Generation" for example. Jack wasn't sampling >techno bands, he was using the same samples as techno bands. God only knows >how many techno bands have sampled Jack though. That's right, I had forgotten that it had been used by Jack before. I was more interested in his choice of the Hellfire sample since Prodigy have a recently relased single. Personally I believe it's sort of a turnabout since Prodigy sampled Radio Babylon's beat for Charly. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1992 16:05:12 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: Full-length CD's... > 808 State: United State, EX:EL, (new album pretty soon) their original album (uk) was called 90, the domestic was called Utd.St.90 > 2 Unlimited has a domestic album but it's stupid. it's called "Get Ready For This". how's that for originality..... > Quadrophonia-Quadrophonia >>This is not the name of the Quadrophonia album, it is their single. I've >>forgotten the name of the album. I don't own it. I hate them. that's "Cosmic Jam". Please do not stereotype me for knowing the titles of these albums....i don't own them...;) >The Grid - ??? their newest album, i think, is called "456" or some other 3-digit combination.... add Dream Frequency:One Nation mike [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 15:52:09 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Metamorphasis Thank you, Chris for doing the work to find out what's going on in town! :) Ohhhh Caaammperr.... READ ON!! (See you at Venus tonight) > From nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Thu Dec 3 15:47:27 1992 > Just called Voltage (364-9572) but got their answering machine. > I'll call back around 7 to find out the scoop. According to Debo, > Adam X was supposed to DJ tonight at Venus but due to a mix-up > he was already committed somewhere else. Thus NO Adam X at Venus > tonight (the bad news). Too bad, this would have solved my > Metamorph/explorer vacillation. The good news is that the guest > DJ will be ...ONIONZ. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: concert tontight... Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92 17:31:21 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I'll be there. Oh yes. I will. -John S. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: RE: Full-length CD's... Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 15:33:12 MST > NO!!!! Does this mean it's never going to be released? And after patiently > waiting for nine fucking months?! Aaaaigh!! Now how am I gonna know what > all those songs were they played on Live in Manchester? > Which actually now that I think of it, has NJoi released anything besides > Mindflux EP, Anthem 12", and Live in Manchester? For what it is worth, I've got an N-Joi promo of Mindflux that has one extra mix. Senor dieselBoy was the one who told me about the album in the first place, but I never saw it. Damian? [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 18:29:46 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (154) Subject: Meat Beat -- tonight Having won a pair of tickets to the concert, I'll be there. Most likely my gf and I will be towards the back, enjoying the music and attempting to NOT get moshed out of existance. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu \/ We see the fish below the ice sometimes. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: charly beat Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 16:12:16 PST I thought the "Charly" beat was sampled by both Prodigy and MBM from Big Daddy Kane. ?? Jim :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: wpoe@chaph.usc.edu (William J. Poe) Subject: charly beat Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 16:31:24 PST I thought the "Charly" beat was sampled from Big Daddy Kane. ?? Jim :) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Metamorphosis Explored Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92 20:01:06 EST O.K. here's the scoop. I spoke with the guy from Voltage - I'll call him Mr. Volt -- and I feel sorry for him. The guy is in a panic, still scrambling to try and find another venue for this Sat. He said he's trying to find a place either in Worcester (Loews theatre?) or in Providence where "raves are legal", according to him. Did this mean there may have been a bust-problem if it had been in Boston I asked. "Nah, the owners of the building [in Boston] know the Boston police," was his reply. Right. He assured me that the next one will be in Boston. I'm waiting for next time... Explorer, here I come. If you're carless (like myself) the bus from Boston is leaving here Sat. night around 8 p.m. frin Lansdowne St., costs $20 round-trip. Tix are available from Smart Bar at both Venus tonight and Axis tomorrow with all the relevant info. I'm just full of info. Tickets for MBM tonight are actually only $10 at the door, somewhat more palatable than $16. Orbital is on around 10:30. Music Question: What number is the DisIntegrator release on Industrial Strength? The latest one I have is the English Muffin EP which is No.6. I know there is at least two after this, DisIntegrator and DX-13 (which no one seems to have heard). -Chris P.S. Actual log-in message when MIT affliates attach to the server, known as 'Athena': "You have connected to athena-x, the only Athena dial-up server that does not prohibit the use of X." Now you know why MIT students spend SO MUCH time logged on! [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Re: charly beat Date: Thu, 03 Dec 92 20:20:31 -0500 From: SPeCiMeN your message: > > I thought the "Charly" beat was sampled by both Prodigy > and MBM from Big Daddy Kane. > > ?? > > Jim :) > actually.. they're all sampled from the stone roses' "fool's gold". if you take the sample, play the first downbeat, the snare, and then start the sample again, you get that off-kilter funkiness. it looks kinda like this: beat 1 2 3 4 . b s b s <-- normal b s b s <-- the other one. it's the same front-half twice. anyway [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 20:56:38 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Received: by phantom.cislabs.pitt.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA29973; Thu, 3 Dec 92 19:24:23 EST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 19:24:23 EST From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <9212040024.AA29973@phantom.cislabs.pitt.edu> To: Status: R ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Connected to SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from joly.cislabs.pitt.edu by phantom.cislabs.pitt.edu (4.1/1.34) id AA29971; Thu, 3 Dec 92 19:24:23 EST Received: by joly.cislabs.pitt.edu (4.1/EMI-2.1) id AA03267; Thu, 3 Dec 92 19:24:19 EST Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 19:24:19 EST From: damian Message-Id: <9212040024.AA03267@joly.cislabs.pitt.edu> To: ne-ravs@silver.lcs.mit.edu Subject: RE: Full-length CD's... Thanx for the cue Pete, Ummmm....I saw in a magazine a *long* time ago that NJOI was slated to put out an album under the name THE FIRST POWER. I put it down in my "list of things to buy", but I never pursued its whereaaouts. I wish it was out by now myself. Unfortunately, I dont remember where I saw it listed, but I swear on my mother's maiden name that I did actually see it listed in a reputable source (like Rockpool or CMJ). Sorry I couldn't be of more help. dB [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 22:02 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: METAMORPHOSIS UPDATE -- it will happen Hi, I just got off the phone with the guy from Voltage Productions. METAMORPHOSIS WILL TAKE PLACE. It has moved to Providence, to the same place where the first QUEST (back in July) was held. I was at the first QUEST, and it is a very good location!!! So come on out!! Directions from Boston -- * 95 South to Rhode Island * Exit 21 / Atwells Ave. * go right when you get off the exit * follow this road down to the donut shop. If you go left at that light you'll go right by the rave, so park at the donut place (I think it's a Mr. Donut or a Dunkin' Donuts) The rave starts at 11.00 PM. DJs will be -- Days-X-One (doing a special House set) Savage (hardcore) Mayhem (breakbeat) Heather Heather (anything goes) Jimmy Crash (hardcore) Adam X (hardcore) Overload (trance) Mario Genovese (I think he's hardcore) Sandra Collins (hardcore I think) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: daikit@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Daisuke Kitamura) Subject: please remove me from the list Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 21:31:51 CST please remove me from the mailing list. cheers, dai [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 01:51:24 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: HELP FLUID...EXPLORER1 I would much appreciate some help from my fellow ne-ravers. Was planning to got to Explorer1 on Saturday but have lost our ride. Anyone who could possibly help us out please contact me - I really want to go. We are at the University Of Delaware in Newark. Reply to brit@brahms.udel.edu. Thanks for any help...... aLaN (Fluid) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 02:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: HELP FLUID...EXPLORER1 I would much appreciate some help from my fellow ne-ravers. Was planning to got to Explorer1 on Saturday but have lost our ride. Anyone who could possibly help us out please contact me - I really want to go. We are at the University Of Delaware in Newark. Reply to brit@brahms.udel.edu. Thanks for any help...... aLaN (Fluid) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 08:51:09 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: DC carpool to Explorer I'm thinking about going to Explorer, and have space abailable for two persons. If you want ot go e-mail me or call (202) 667-4721 - Rob [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 13:27:48 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: alt.drugs info Does anyone know the mailing adress for alt.drugs? Please send e-mail to me if you do. thanks Mike TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 15:26:16 EST From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Re: alt.drugs info - Does anyone know the mailing adress for alt.drugs? Please send e-mail to me -if you do. If you're looking for the ftp site with teh FAQs, it's at: ftp.u.washington.edu Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu - Buffalo, New York - USA (On Dec. 10th, I will be moving permanently to the address salsbury@netcom.com The address is functional now, though, if you wish to send mail there instead.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 15:39:15 EST From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: A final message and thank you... Hi, all! I'm moving to San Francisco in about 6 days, and hitting the final stages of preparation now... I'm gonna be moving onto the sfraves list, so any of you there will see me, once I get situated. Also, I'll be going to Laura's Pre-ravette, and STORM rave in NYC, before leaving this coast, so look for me there! Thanks for all the good times and good info! I'm gonna sign off now, but I'll miss ya! Feel free to keep writing to me, I'll be online, over at my new address! Rave on, people! :) Pat ______________________________Think For Yourself_______________________________ Patrick G. Salsbury - salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu - Buffalo, New York - USA (On Dec. 10th, I will be moving permanently to the address salsbury@netcom.com The address is functional now, though, if you wish to send mail there instead.) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: florida stuff Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 15:39:00 -0500 (EST) hi guys ! hey i know this was already asked a bit back, but at the time, i didnt know it would pertain to me.... i am going to be in florida (Tampa, to be exact) from december 28 to january 3. does anyone still have the mailing list address for the florida list...i wanna see what i can come up with for a new years eve thing...or something like that. also is anyone else planning on journeying to the sunshine state for the holidays? if so, let me know ! later... thanks in advance :) becca [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 16:00:24 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: florida stuff > From frans@wpi.WPI.EDU Fri Dec 4 15:51:44 1992 > also is anyone else planning on journeying to the sunshine state for the > holidays? if so, let me know ! I too will be in the trippy land of mickey from Dec 25-Jan 2. Orlando bound. I requested info on the fl-raves list and john gave me a couple of addresses that didn't work out. They just bounced. If anyone's got a list address or or any information on clubs, events, ANYTHING. I'm gonna miss Revalation :( , but I hope I can find something to do while I'm down there. Can't stay away from the scene for too long ya know. You'll wanna start sleeping regular and other crazy things. Help if you can. see you all at Metamorphasis!! dave. [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: the Hook-up-O-Matic...finally! Date: Fri, 04 Dec 92 17:51:32 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) well, here it is folks... sorry it's late but i went to ultramarine/orbital/MBM, and when i got home, i was too exhausted... (you'll notice that I need a ride from Boston to Explorer...can anyone help me?!!) pEAcE...lovE...rAvE! SHALAKO ****************** * Hook-up-O-Matic* * for weekend of * * 12/05/92. * ****************** NAME E-MAIL MORE INFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _Explorer I_ 12/05/92 Laura laura@usl.com Look for: Pink and green glow bracelets, little round black sunglasses, short blonde hair, ne-raves badge. Getting ride with Ed Horch. Sorry, no room. Ed Horch ebh@mink.mt.att.com John Adams jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Laura, Ed, and John might be going to METAMORPHOSIS, now that it's taking place in Providence.) Taylor tod3253@ACFcluster.nyu.edu male. about 5'11". i usually wear my mustard yellow hood shirt. army green shorts, tights of some sort (b+w striped, black), always have a shirt wrapped around my waist. lots of necklaces. i like glow sticks! i like to wear my sunglasses that have a little red LED light above the right lens. my ALTERN8 yellow , dust mask that i've take their 'A' and wrote 'HACK' around. Evan Roth epr0@lehigh.edu Ph.#:215/758-2034. Driving from Bethlehem, Pa. Has a van with plenty of room for anyone on the way. Look for: ne-raves badge, orange snoopy hat. Eric McCormick 0004775674@MCIMAIL.COM Ph.#:703/536-7654. Taking bus from DC. Mr. Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Kreig Zimmerman) Ph.#:203/521-3177. Source of transportation unavailable, traveling from Hartford, Ct. Look for: Purple Raw vibes shirt, black hoodie, red pants, red and black with blue striped hat, maybe a backpack also... Chris nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Taking the bus from Boston. Robert Campanell robcamp@well.sf.ca.us Driving from DC. Has room for two people. Ph.#: 202/667-4721 RIDES NEEDED!! fluid (Alan Parry) brit@brahms.udel.edu Needs ride from University of Delaware in Newark!!! SHALAKO sscoen@athena.mit.edu I need a ride!!! I'm at MIT in Cambridge, Ma.!!! can anyone help me? Pleeese? Ph.#:617/225-8317 or e-mail me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _METAMORPHOSIS_ 12/05/92 Dave McMahon djm@bedford.progress.com Ph.#:617/666-4286. Look for: 6' tall, blonde hair, sideburns, ne-rave badge. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 18:09:17 -0500 From: donato Subject: review of THAT concert... since i've noticed a few people post things here and alt.rave i'll do the same thing :) my review of the MBM/orbital/UltraMarine show in boston mass: (btw, Dave, it was 10 bucks, not 16, and WELL WORTH it. see below for mention of free gift.) walked in and heard psychic TV(not their acid house stuff) , or was that TG ? it was genesis anyway. UltraMarine: some nifty noises. these guys should play at 7am at every rave. nice. Orbital: they've taken repetition to new and beautiful heights. i danced the whole time. [i would mention dave kendal, but nah!] what was the DJ's name? whatever, i danced to his first generic techno song, then had to stop when he tried mixing njoi and nitzer ebb. there was maybe one good part where he had both songs going together pretty nicely.. but he needs more practice. Meat Beat Manifesto: need i say more? INCREDIBLE. i was right near the stage at first. the beat started and right away the pushing started, so i moved to the side and happily danced untouched the whole time. i ask you, would an industrial band put a definition of "halcyon" on their backdrop? would a member of an industrial band where a shirt that says "disco"? i think not. (this last i mention cuz some people didn't agree with my "mbm aint industrial-dance" post on alt.rave :)) the free CD singles were a nice touch too!! "mindstream" was it? i haven't listened to it yet! one more point. i saw MBM 2 years ago at the Ritz in NYC (wax trax's "night of chaos!") and as some of you know that was in their FEEDBACK days. very NOISY. but they also had these way cool dancers wearing some interesting outfits. spikes, and swinging spiked balls... i wish they had kept them! not that it would have worked at Axis anyway, stage was too small. please take this review as you would any other. peace all! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Donato Miranda "you have an eargasm as you start to consume daytime------> donato@applix.com the ghetto beat..." nite|weekend-> damir@wpi.wpi.edu - tribe called QUeST dance while the record spins. anybody feel like falling? ------------------------------co0l basE--------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Subject: Help!!! Date: Fri, 04 Dec 92 18:11:06 EST From: SHALAKO (technokachina) my friend from providence's car broke down, and can't give me a ride to Explorer. she's going to METAMORPHOSIS, since its in her hometown... So... does anyone with a car who will be passing thru Ma. on their way to Explorer have a seat for me? Wait, lemme rephrase that... does anyone have *room* for me? (I'll sit on laps, curl up in trunks, tie myself to roofs...) Pleese help me! (I'm going through a most unpleasant rAvE withdrawel...) thanx u munchy... pEAcE...lovE...rAvE! SHALAKO [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 18:12:56 -0500 (EST) From: quark@asylum.sf.ca.us (I'm going too fast - No wonder I'm lost...) Subject: the Hook-up-O-Matic...finally! And from the lagging (almost) lurker here... I'm planning on taking the bus to Metamorphosis. Look for 6'2" tall, dark blonde (auburn?) just shouder length hair, no sideburns, and a jester's hat. Sporting a ne-raves tag with an Exploritorium tag (bookmark) on the same chain. We'll see what else I end up wearing... --Quark ===========================================================vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv -Dave Hull (quark@asylum.sf.ca.us -in reality near Boston) | This blank home #(617)623-5319 work #(617)942-0915 | left spaced. And all these little things Are better left unsaid When you can give me hair And run your fingers through my head. -The Sisters of Mercy You Could Be The One [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 15:48:21 PST From: geoffw%nexsys@igc.apc.org (Geoff White) Subject: Re: Things to Come? (was:mixmag) Thanks M, I'm going to try and get a lot of work accomplished this weekend. Both work-work and rave work. Those shows like Hard Copy, and shit like guns after people, will surely kill the Scene quick here in the Bay Area if we don't start NOW adding positive "Counter-Spin" to the mediaa image. I hate to sound so paranoid, but in this country [USA], the utimate confrontation between the "Authorities(Government,Mafia, Insert-your-favorite-Group-here) and the Scene, will not be at some warehouse or beach, but on the airwaves. We need to write articles, and prepare ourselves for being able to go on NightLine if necessary, I'm dead SERIOUS! We need to be ready to inject our own energy should the media event arise. Start training yourselves. SUGGESTIONS ------------ 1. Let's add stuff to the "Soundbites file that was started awhile ago. 2. Everybody start tracking the media (if that's your thing, if it isn't that's ok too :) and try to post when you hear something that you think is significant one way or the other. 3. We need people who can speak on radio and before cameras in a clear calm and knowledgable fashion. 4. We want all those people out there who will hear about raves (one way or another) to hear the positive messages, hopefully BEFORE they hear the negative, ones, first impressions are important. 5. We're not trying to convert anybody, I repeat, we're not trying to convert, what we are trying to do is use the mass media to call out to our raver bros. & sisters and tell them that we love them, we are with them, and to keep the scene alive, where- ever in the world they are, we want to let other people out there who feel the same way that we do, that they are not alone. 6. It should be obvious to some of you on the list that "raving", is a mneme, or "information virus". (my definition folks, don't flame me) What information you "tack-on" to the phage, determines whether and how that info can replicate. Well we gotta tack-on good stuff. The virus has a life of its own, it's the "spin" that determines how a deeply penetrating virus can be used. Sorta like trying to direct an ocean liner into port with a tug boat, you gotta be in the right place at the right time, with the right amount of force ready to apply. 7. With the country already gearing up for some holiday "festivities" in Africa, let's remember that we still live on a planet, with guns, and a bunch of LOADED nuclear weapons around. (Funny we're keeping track of the russians Bombs... who's keeping track of ours!) The stuff that we are experienceing in the scene is happening on a globle level, It's not about Right or Left, or Good/ Bad, raver/cop, raver/gangster. People have to start taking control of their lives, their country and their World. 8. I know some of this must sound trite and Californian, especially to our bros. and sistrs in the UK, but at worst, it won't hurt, and at best?... 9. Let's finish the alt.rave FAQ and spread it first to media people who are somewhat responsible, we might need to edit this to protect people and the Net. Concentrate first on getting quality and truthful information to people who are ready to agree with us, worry about the others later. 10. Spread the Vibe. Keep It alive. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEXUS SYSTEMS "Solving Tomorrow's Problems Today" geoffw@nexsys.net "Attention People of Earth" -The Point ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 19:24:03 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: HELP US! This is me again. Still looking for a ride. NEED HELP! Myself and a friend need a ride to Explorer1 on Saturday. We are At the University of Delaware in Newrk which is right off I-95. If we had to...could possibly be picked up in Philly (??) WE NEED TO RAVE!! HELP US....... - aLaN (Fluid) contact: brit@brahms.udel.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 20:40:26 -0500 From: Craig M. Kanarick Subject: vrave Join us on the berkeley vrave.... -- cmk [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 04 Dec 92 20:41:13 EST From: "Linda.A.Lieberman." Subject: Montreal Rave Tonight! Finally, some raves in Montreal. There are actually two this weekend. One tonight and one tomorrow night. The flyer was a clear acetate sheet the size of a business card, and some of the info rubbed off. What I can read says: DNA Genetic Rave Tiga (he's a DJ) 70 Notre Dame The rest is rubbed off. There are three streets named Notre Dame, but I figure it is the one located in Old Montreal. If anyone is interested in tomorrow night's rave, I can send you the info. All I know is that it is called ENO. A friend of mine has the flyer. Let me know if you're interested. *Linda* (aka Canada) [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 22:19:22 -0500 (EST) From: Alan Michael Parry Subject: COME ON.... COME ON PEOPLE....JOIN THE BERKELEY V-RAVE LINE.... - Fluid [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 05 Dec 92 05:48:25 EST From: "Linda.A.Lieberman." Subject: Montreal-ENO rave info I just got back from DNA. It was so tiny! There were less than 100 people. But, I'll tell you about it later. I just wanted to post the info about the rave tonight (Saturday) here in Montreal. ENO Got an Ego Featuring: Robert Gauthier Christian Farley Mark Anthony Christian P. and Justin's Smart Bar Samedi 5 Decembre Free drinks & Breakfast after 3 A.M. Starts at 2 A.M. Duke/William INFO:361-1588 $15 If anyone checks this out, let me know how it was. Well, it's 10 to 6 so I think I ought to get some sleep. Rave on! *Linda* [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 5 Dec 92 06:44:29 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Debo and Onionz I just had the chance last night to listen to two great tapes a friend of mine had, one by Debo and one by Onionz, and I must say I'm _very_ impressed. Wonderfully trancey - I'm kicking myself for not having gone to see them when they were out here last weekend. :( Ah well. It's great to see not everything is HAHDCORE out there. :) Keep it alive, Brian [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 5 Dec 92 14:56:50 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Business Week Article (12/14/92) I was reading this weeks issue of Business Week and the cover story was called: "MOVE OVER,BOOMERS - The next generation of American - 46 million people between 18 and 29 - is coming on strong. Call it Generation X [in ref to Couplands book].It'as about to change our lives." The ariticle is not about raves but about our generation and how the baby boomers are having difficulty understanding our generation. The article's tilt is business, obviously, but they had a line or two about raves ... "JOLT-FUELED 'RAVES', Grunge Music is similarly anomie-riddled and angry. Grunge stars include Kurt Cobain and his group, Nirvana, whose 1991 album NeverMions sold 4.5 milliom copies in the U.S. Even harsher are Soundgarden and Mudhoney. Then there are the spontaneous dance marathons on the west coast called 'raves' where music from such groups as Nine Inch Nails makes up in speed what it lacks in melody. Ravers take over vast warehouses or parking lots, where the dance wildly in huge crowds,often fueled by supercaffeinated Jolt Cola,'smart drinks' of caffeine and protein mixers, and Extasy,a combination of mild hallucinogens and speed."... On the inside cover, in the table of contents they have this half page picture of this girl pouring vitamins (I think) into a mixer with a sign in the background "Smart Bar - Get a think dring". She' wearing green star glasses. The subtitle reads "Rave Opn: Busters [what they refer to us as: Generation X, Slackers, Busters Vs Baby Boomers] take five at wild dance marathons by bellying up to 'smart bars' for protein- and caffeine-laced drinks" Like I said, this article wasn't about raves but rather our generation. I thought you might find it interesting, granted the writer is a bit misinformed but the tilt is not negative. It's actually a avery interesting article. Check it out. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1992 18:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: Asif Ikram Subject: add to list please add me to the list. ai0e Thanx [] [] [][] [][] [] [][] [][] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Explorer I report Date: Sun, 6 Dec 92 11:46:05 EST Well, here it is, a bit before 11:00am, and I just got home. Bear with me if my frazzled brain doesn't permit a coherent posting. :-) For those who didn't already know, the rave was held at the Armonk Bowl (yes, a bowling alley) in Armonk, NY. Taylor and I thought the directions were pretty clear, but the car ahead of us missed the last turn. We got there about 11:30, and stepped into the freezing cold to see a large tent set up next to the building. This looked like it would give "chillout" a whole new dimension. But our fears were unfounded on two levels: The rave itself was in- deed in the bowling alley, and the tent, which really was the first chillout area, was adequately heated with kerosene heaters. Any- way, we got inside, bought our tickets, and watched the locals gape in amusement, confusion, whatever, at the sight of all these young'uns in rave gear invading their quiet little space. We were inside, but not permanently. As with Sputnik, they were not completely set up by the scheduled start time, so they sent us all back *outside* to wait. And wait. And *wait*! (How long was it, really?) Finally, after much gnashing (chattering?) of teeth, we got in for good. We were all very curious as to how you configure a bowling alley for raving. Well, the main desk was a natural choice for the DJ booth, and the alcohol bar was a natural choice for the smart bar. The alley's snack bar stayed open the whole night. As for the lanes themselves, rear-projection screens (bedsheets?) were hung from ceiling to floor, at roughly the lanes' foul lines, leaving the seating and approach areas open for dancing. Fractals and other neat things were projected from the other side. Some people snuck back there and danced in the lights, creating neat silhouettes. Also, interesting things were done with the overhead score projectors. Unfortunately, this presented a problem in execution. There was no single, central dance floor. So, everywhere you went, there'd be some people dancing, some people socializing, and others just pas- sing through. This severely weakened the overall vibe. At various times during the night, more "organized" dance floors would emerge where the vibe would be strong, but these w