Ne-Raves Digest Volume 1, Issue 5, for October 1992 Topics: ------- Is DC dead or just Very Underground? just curious... just curious... DC Rave (speak of devil) ne-raves PARTY + SPUTNIK II rave Uhhhhmmmmm??? DC scene report other rave lists Oracle in Providence?? re:just curious Crusade rave review Report from the THUNDERGROUND please add Thunderground reviews... DC raves? parachute raves Rise... Attention Philly ravers - Wonka 2 Gay raves... Loft Fridays re: Rise... Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 13 [LONG]) The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue oct 13 [SHORT]) Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 13 [LONG]) those of us in pa.... LFO what is wrong here? Who in DC? nothing's wrong here! Happy Valley Ravers boston to ravettesputnik ride wanted LIFE rave in boston bus to masquerave from boston LAST CHANCE to RSVP Rave music DC carpool to ravette&SPUTNIK Masquerrave Bounces. Rave in DC Sat Dave the Wave Must Die Happy Valley sesame's treat Try This Treat treats bus boston-sputnik sesame's treat Sesame's Treet Europe Multiple stuff Sesame's Treet DELETE UNLESS YOU ARE AT DREXEL UNIV. Sesame's Treet Sesame's Treet sesame From England to New England re: europe Sorry Bandwidth wastage, my opinion, LAST TIME. please don't invite more people to the party baggy people in pa... American Techno is still alive. What is Techno? PARTY INFO holy cow I can't believe this Laura's Rave! Techno around the globe Hmm... mail bouncing! Help life after sputnik... YO YO YO! NE-RAVES in FULL EFFECT!! YA post-Sputnik POST SPUTNIK TRIP REPORT sputnik ii report My two cents on Sputnik II Sputnik afterglow... Flintstone & stuff Forewarded message from Bob... Flintstone & stuff Break beat? Sesame's treat sesame's treat BOLD SUBSCRIBE Ravin' in Rochester, NY. This Saturday! breakbeat November Storm Rave NYU ravers Flintstones Sputnik! stealing..and raving CCT's first rave (cough) Let me Refraim Oh So Many Questions re: Keeping Raves Underground In response OOPS! forgot something! Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 20 [LONG]) The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue oct 20 [SHORT]) Heaven's USA Super Poseurave ...still more on the underground subject... re: Keeping Raves Underground A fad? ...still more on the underground subject... commercial raves re: Keeping Raves Underground Late but , effective.. raving and dancing.. Promotor's Commercialism at its worst re: raving and dancing... raving and dancing.. raving and dancing.. raving and dancing look at that fool dance re: raving and dancing... on the list ETechno <---> Industrial RADIO The Paragon in Miami Beach Atomic Vibe from bob again.. what' the bloody address? Utah Saints/Shamen Utah Saints/Shamen yet another "how I got into techno" Aphex Twin Directions to Venus Directions to Venus Industrial --> Techno How I got into the "scene".... hey y'all gonna see Moby? tunnel "mask-a-rave" PUREX in TN pre-Sputnik rave afterthoughts LIFE rave?? se-raves? Shamen & Utah Saints shamen/utah saints at venus last night DC clubs ne-raves BADGES! Wannabe DJ Asks Good Questions Meat Beat Tour? NYC tunnel mask-a-rave bold industrial roots MOBY, MANIX....Detroit??? sorry guys roots of techno pre-rave raves JOURNEY TO THE HARDCORE REVIEW direction correction Journey to the Hardcore liquid sky Pre-raves UNCONVENTION Hail club/rave Equipment Setup musik and gear Boldly going Fifth Colvmn test song IDs from Venus's Shamen/Utah Saints show ?'s from a rave virgin... ManRay Manray again... BOLD rumors REPOST from alt.rave: list address for MINNESOTA raves Minnesota RAVE List Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 27 [LONG]) he Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue oct 27 [SHORT]) Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 27 [LONG]) DEFCON 1 INFO life changes next rave in portland, ME A question to the DC folks the spice must flow... mas-a-rave dj's and the like... 808's keyboards and such. DC/BALTO Club info Masquerave and pre-rave party!! Industrial --> Techno + rambles LIFE's new home... 808 triggers Ne-Raves FAQW \\\ Confessions of a Raver... /// \\\ Confessions of a Raver... /// \\\ Confessions of a Raver part II /// net addict.[D[D \\\ Confessions of a Raver III /// \\\ Confession...The Final Chptr /// 303 Amana micro rave in mass. my schedule for this weekend full-length CD's... amana thingy Havoc Music full-length CD's... full length cds... samples&hardcore&such CMJ convention your equipment conversation - wanted! a cool idea... a cool idea... Blipcore (?) and FAQ SUBSCRIBE 404 !?!?! massively similar brain waves... latest? rave-related injuries TIPS IRC chat thing. NO!!! 303 808 909 korg poly-800 Help! more on Amana Micro Rave... mail problems more equipment discussion Heh heh heh IRC chat thing. NO!!! (fwd) more on rave-related injuries More laser stuph EYE OUR SEA - Chapter I (Forwarded) More laser stuph new Havoc Music comp idea... Here is message ne-raves compilation EYE OUR SEA - Correction (duh) other people playing my homemade music RE: other people playing my homemade music ME! part one of UOS #7 part 4 of UOS #7 Chronicle article.. SF Chronicle 10/29/92 front page article anyone.... heather heather...UOS heather... covering (not sampling) issues IRC and nothing happening. What is Techno? (fwd) chicago raves? Masquerave new Havoc Music comp idea... MASQUERAVE MASQUERAVE Yet another way to communicate More on Masquerave IRC and nothing happened..... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:40:57 EST From: O'Hara Walter Subject: Re: List Bandwidth KZIMMERMAN sez >would you really be able to draw a dividing line FOR an MA-Raves list? >I can't see one ever being drawn in the email world Shoot, Mobile, Michelin, Triple-A draw lines between New England and Mid- Atlantic when they publish tourist guides each year! Generally, I've seen MID-ATLANTIC defined as PA, MD, DE, DC, VA and NC. I've seen NEW ENGLAND defined as NY, CN, RI, MA, VT, ME, and NH. Please understand, however, that I'm not trying to "define" anything. Such nonsense as "secession" was not my intention, just a real interest in events in *my* area. I didn't know that there was such a dearth of activity below the Mason-Dixon line. WAO'H [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:36:09 -0400 From: joemac@eff.org Subject: Re: List Bandwidth OK folks, enough is enough about the bloody bandwidth and whether "ne" means "north east", "new england", or "nine-thousand email-messages". Can we get back to the subjct of RAVES now? --joe n/-T~5.K$j=BW_~u(#Io/f+i! 'I^~tT[f)MfBfh| *|]Sg NO CARRIER [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 12:33 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Is DC dead or just Very Underground? Walter says [in reference to the silly list bandwidth thing that I think we're all getting sick of]: >Such nonsense as "secession" was not my intention, just a real interest >in events in *my* area. I didn't know that there was such a dearth of >activity below the Mason-Dixon line. Well, here's the deal: I only put into Rave-O-Matic what I know about. I know there are raves in DC because I hear about Catastrophic stuff from time to time, but since I live in New Jersey I can't possibly be the best source of information for what goes on in DC. If anyone on this list in the DC area knows of anything going on and is not telling, then that is hardly the fault of the ne-raves charter or of the publisher of Rave-O-Matic. That huge Rave-O-Matic that went out right after the last Storm Rave in New York came about because I got about a zillion flyers by going to the rave. Once you get yourself to one rave it's a lot easier to find the rest. And if you want to hear talk on ne-raves about what's been happening in DC, then talk about it. This is interactive, not like TV. Put out what you know, what what you've heard rumors about, whatever. Maybe that will bring some more of the people in your area out of the woodwork. So to start, can someone give a scene report for raving in DC? I know CyberPunk goes to a few now and then. Tell us what you know. Anyone? Anyone? My parents live down in Annapolis and it would sure be nice to hear about life as a raver down that way just in case I decide to go home for a visit. I haven't been there since Easter, though, so I'm very much out of touch with clubs/stores/etc. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 13:28:31 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: just curious... Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 13:23:43 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: just curious... To: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu just out of curiousity, how many people on the ne-raves list are in pennsylvania, and where? maybe we could pool on some upcoming rave(s).... e va n "ya know why they call him dj trEE?? cos he likes to CHOP the beats!!!"- dj geoffE on his radio show [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:43:48 -0400 Subject: DC Rave (speak of devil) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Oct 10- Parachute productions Rave. 926 n st,nw. 10pm-4am $7 w/ invite or out of town i.d. $10 otherwise....[18+,21+ to drink] Haven't been to a parachute rave yet, but hear there pretty good. Lines form at around 11pm so go early. (In Washington, D.C.) -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:05 EDT From: Subject: Re: just curious... Yeah, I'm on the ne-raves list and I live in PA, (Harrisburg Area) . Now, to find some raves in the PA area....:-) Closest thing to a rave I've been to is in the Philly area (about 3 yrs ago) and it didn't really count. Sean LeBlanc [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:32 EDT From: Subject: Re: just curious... I am from delaware county, outside of philly if you are not aquainted with the area,BUT right now I am in Penn State, State College, I am sure you know where that is. So there you go and hopefully i will hear from you soon. Maybe you co uld make a list of people who reply for me so I have an idea of their where- abouts. Thanks, Later, and if you go, go Naked mab195@psuvm.psu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:19 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: just curious... I don't know exactly where Harrisburg is in relation to Pittsburgh or Allentown, but I've heard of raves in Pittsburgh and I have one for Allentown in this week's Rave-O-Matic. If you did not get a copy of Rave-O-Matic this week (it goes out on Tuesdays) let me know and I'll drop it to you. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:36 EDT From: Subject: Re: just curious... Yo man, you rave and are at PSU, we have to get together, as you can tell I am at PSU as well. Are there a lot of people up here interested in raving, I can' t tell, I mention an artist, like orb or channel X and no one knows what i am talking about. Do you but stuff if so where? take it E-Z hope to hear from you soon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:49 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: ne-raves PARTY + SPUTNIK II rave Laura and taylor808 present: THE FIRST EVER OFFICIAL NE-RAVES PRE-RAVE RAVETTE! That's right! We've been talking about it for weeks now and it's finally going to happen. The ne-raves list is going to meet itself. As you're probably already aware SPUTNIK II is being held Saturday, October 17, in Wayne, New Jersey. Wayne is about 20 miles from New York City, about 25 minutes from Laura's apartment, and about half way between Boston and Washington DC. We couldn't have *asked* for a better opportunity to bring the ne-ravers together. WHERE: Laura's apartment, Hoboken, New Jersey (you'll get directions when you RSVP for certain. I'm easily accessible via public transportation, too.) WHEN: Saturday, October 17, 1992. 8pm - 11pm. (SPUTNIK II starts at midnight, so if we leave my house at 11-ish we'll be some of the first people there and will avoid the inevitable New York Rave lines.) F E A T U R I N G The ArtCore sounds of Boston's DJ JoltHead Sound System and Lighting by Ed Lasers by John, Ed, and Joe Special ne-raves Rave Goodies Fun Snax Guest Appearance by Ivo the Cat R.S.V.P to Laura --> laura@usl.com There will be a small per person charge to cover the ravette's expenses. As soon as we figure out what it will be we'll let you know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17, 1992 SPUTNIK II Wayne, NJ (212) - 465 - 3299 Return To Orbit On October 17th SPUTNIK II New Location Within 20 Miles of NYC . . . TICKETS: on sale now. liquid sky, nyc. 212 431 5369 vinly mania, nyc. 212 463 7120 planet x, new brunswick, nj. 9082490304 rhino records, new paltz. 9142550230 music now, DC 2026383272 ameobahead, providence. 4017662334 mindwarp, boston. 6172661987 advance tickets are $13 now and $15 on the 17th. (the day of the rave). GENERAL SPUTNIK INFO::::: 212 465 3299 doors at 12 am. DIRECTIONS: >>from points North: Garden State Parkway south to exit 154 (Route 46 west), and follow directions below.** >>from points South: Garden State Parkway north to exit 153 (Route 3 west). Take Route 3 to Route 46 west (a left exit) and follow directions below.** >>from Lincoln Tunnel take Route 3 west, passing the Garden State Parkway. Look for a left exit to Route 46.** **Take Route 46 for 3 miles just past Toys 'R' Us to the Riverview Drive/Wayne exit. Follow the signs to Wayne by taking a left and then an immediate right on to Riverview Drive. Go 3 lights (1.5 miles) to Valley Rd. Turn right on Valley Rd. and go 4 lights (3 miles). Just before the 5th light (Hamburg Turnpike) is the Ramapo Shopping Center. SPUTNIK II is at "Skaters World" roller rink, Valley Road and Hamburg Turnpike, Wayne NJ. BUS INFO: manhattan shuttle info: 212 465 3299 brooklyn: heather at 718 646 8077 or dennis at 212 629 2061 long island: beep eddie @ 516 435 2560 or liz @ 516 968 8342 boston: 617 266 1987 philly: 215 592 8481 poughkeepsie: bill @ 914 297 4930 providence: 401 766 5334 baltimore/dc: lg @ 310 235 1131 NJ: michelle and chrissy @ 908 727 6527 cleveland: 216 892 3373 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Daniel A. Avery" Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:57:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Is DC dead or just Very Underground? ive near DC doesn't mean I don't care about raves in NY or MA...i do have a car and would drive to a rave if it sounded good. PEace. --dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 15:58:54 -0400 From: "Liquid Cooled Spherical Imaging" Subject: Re: just curious... Laura, Please send it to me!! (the rave-o-matic that is). I am no car wimp. I will go anywhere for a good rave! dieselBoy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 14:05:09 EST Subject: Uhhhhmmmmm??? Come to think of it I was curious too, the ne-raves people who live Cleveland, Ohio, or actually Ohio period! I hope I am not the only living soul here?!? TAREQ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:12:26 -0400 From: "Jack Faley" Subject: Re: just curious... I'm in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The rave scene here is slowly but surely picking up. There seems to be one about every weekend now. Jack [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 18:20:38 -0400 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: Re: Uhhhhmmmmm??? > >Come to think of it I was curious too, the ne-raves people who live >Cleveland, Ohio, or actually Ohio period! I hope I am not the only living >soul here?!? > >TAREQ > hi! I just got on the list today. So what's Rave-O-Matic and how/where can I get a copy. Was anyone at RAVE ON E in Cincinnatti last weekend? It was huge and excellent. I'm in Cleveland. (At CWRU, Tareq. We must meet sometime.) -- Marla. "Much doesn't mean much." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:26:02 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: DC scene report OK. Here's the current status of the DC rave/techno scene. It's one of the better rave scenes on the east coast. Don't get the wrong idea about DC because there are a few whining wimps from DC on the ne-raves list. Raves Let's start with raves. The Catastrophic raves are the most frequent, and the most popular. On occasion there have been raves by promoters other than the Baez Bros. Future and Flinstone come to mind. Eric Hilton of Exodus/Get Smart produces a rave every six months or so. However, the music is mostly deep house, acid jazz, and some hip-hop. Parachute is another regular rave for a mostly gay clientele. What is lacking is some new promoters for micro-raves. If you don't mind a short drive (1 hour), Baltimore is starting to develop a good rave scene. DJ Scott Henry, a regular at the Catastrophic raves, is from Baltimore and he has been instrumental in getting the scene going. Ultraworld Excursion was the my first Baltimore rave, and it was very good. On the Baltimore club scene, Orbit is every other Thursday@Paradox, and Citrus club every Friday. Michael Meacham is planning to promote "Back to the Future," the sequel to this summer's only major outdoor rave. No word on the date and location for this one. Let's hope it's indoors. Clubs Poseurs, Every Monday. Fifth Colvmn. 915 F St NW. A usually crowded club with two dance floors. DJ Michael Meacham on the top level playing Techno, an Mohawk Adam playing Industrial/Goth on the lower level. Vault. Every Wednesday. 911 F St. NW. I don't have much info here. This is where I was first introduced to Techno two year ago by DJ Jean Phillipe Aviance. I assume it's still going on. I have not gone to this club on a regular basis since Jean Phillipe left for LA. Tracks. Every Thursday. 1st & M St. SE. This is my favorite of the Techno clubs. DJ Earic Patten plays Techno in the main room with it's huge dance floor. DJ Mohawk Adam plays Industrial/Techno in Video Room. There's an outdoor dance floor. It great in the summer. You can see the Capitol dome from the outdoor floor. I love it in late August, and beginning of October because the lantern is burning late at the top of the dome. This indicates Congress is still in session. They are working late to wrap up legislation so they can get out and go on recess. It's just like grade school. Roxy. Every Friday. 18th and N St. NW. DJ Mohawk Adam plays Industrial /Techno/Goth. Double-tiered dance floor. Mostly industrial crowd. Record Stores Music Now International 816 F. St. NW This is the DC headquarters for rave tickets, both local and out-of-town. Selection of music is still sparse, but if you ask they can probably get it for you. 12 Inch Dance Records. 20th & P St. NW. Good selection of Techno, both vinyl and CD. Good selection of Techno CD Compilations. Kemp Mill Records. Fall Church, VA. Eric McCormick tells me they have a buyer whose been getting most of the domestic Techno CD's. Tower Records. Rockville, MD. Decent selection of domestic and import CD on occasion. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 12:40 EDT From: SXL136@psuvm.psu.edu Subject: Re: just curious... Laura, please send me a copy of Rave-o-matic , and I will be endebted to you for EEEternity! Merci, SEan Sean LeBlanc Life is never enough (and it's all you get) -sample from Shamen's En-tact [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: chris136@aol.com Subject: other rave lists Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 20:20:26 EDT How can I subscribe to other rave lists, such as sf-raves? Is there a list for the southeast USA? thanks Chris (aka anode, performing live October 24 with special guests "twirl:served up soft") [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 00:04:53 -0400 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: Re: just curious... here's one.... actually, there are a few of us at bryn mawr. (nina) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Christopher Penrose" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 00:39:35 EDT Subject: Re: other rave lists try: sfraves-request@soda.berkeley.edu and socal-raves-request@ucsd.edu [my alma mater] Chris P penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:05 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Oracle in Providence?? I heard that Oracle (Friday last) was busted at 3.00 am because they didn't have permits to sell food. Did anyone go? What was it like (pre-bust), what happened?? Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:14:25 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Oracle in Providence?? > I heard that Oracle (Friday last) was busted at 3.00 am because they didn't > have permits to sell food. > > Did anyone go? What was it like (pre-bust), what happened?? Well, myself and four others managed to make it to the Port Authority in Providence at around 12:15am. We pulled up near a loading dock just a few hundred feet from the entrance to the 'rave'. My first impression came from the 83 Camaro that we parked next to. There were three girls in it chugging down 32 ounce Buds. They were a good example of what most of the crowd was like. Alot of local kids out for a 'wicked awesome pahty' (strike 1). When I got to the door with my 2 liter coke bottle filled with water, they told me to bring it back to the car (strike 2). We walked up 2-3 flights of stairs to a large room that looked like a(strike 3) cafateria with tile floors and all. The DJ setup was in a nook right beside the door. Lighting was OK (sorry, can't remember exactly what was there). The one redeeming quality about it all was the DJ's that were there and the music was pure Brooklyn hardcore (I was in heaven). Not too many serious ravers were there. Maybe 20% of the 200-300 people that were there were people that I recognized from Quest, Sputnik, Storm... Around 2:00 the police showed up and everything came crashing down pretty quickly. Unfortunately, this is when myself and MANY others were just getting *UP* :). Not very well organized and a lousy crowd. It's always chancy when you go to a brand X rave. See you all at Sputnik II!! :) dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:09:19 +0100 From: dammira1@cc.swarthmore.edu Subject: re:just curious I'm hooked up here at Swarthmore outside Philadelphia, might be interested in pooling sometime... nick [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:19:07 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: Crusade rave review this past saturday was the crusade rave in portland maine. i didnt see any other ne-ravers there (were there?) there were a lot of maine mutant inbred scary types there at first, then they ran out of beer and went home. eeven a skinhead or two showed up. (and were later thrown out) the space was a large wharehouse close to downtown portland. most of the visuals were the same as those at Rise in bvoston on friday (the same people did them>) -a video screen with compueter animation, huge swirly colored lights connected about 40 feet up the wall. the DJ booth was above the crowd, totally isolated-they could see everythiong happening and we could see them. the music was sooooooooooooooo gooooooooood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dale charles is amazing, as he was ast the last rave in maine. mayhem also spun excellently, and 333-mgee spun enough breakbeat to last the whole week through! the rave lasted until about 7AM. then the boston survivors and dale sharles all went out for breakfast together. as i didnt feel like dealing with the general populace at that time, i stayed in the car. the energy at the rave was low until about 3AM, then it got pumping and everyone was grooving hardcore until they turnrd off the music. all in all an unforgettable rave!!!! beautiful energy, beautiful people. -camper. p.s. dale charles (ELAD) will be spinning this thursday in boston at venus de milo. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:00 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Report from the THUNDERGROUND Rush to the rhythm, rush to the rhythm, rush to the rhythm of the T H U N D E R G R O U N D Saturday, October 10, 1992 -- Joe Fax and Mr. Hyde open up what is in effect the Storm Raves Organisation's new home, the Thunderground on Staten Island. Opening night is the de facto October Storm Rave. Hundreds of people show up (there were over 1500 people actually admitted). The door woman is instructed to only let in the ravers, and inadvertently nearly keeps out some of our ne-raves friends (door people == attitude, even if you're trying to accomplish reverse-club selection). Happily, things work out. I get to meet ne-ravers Ed Horch and "revar" (Chuck from "Under One Sky"). It went until 6.00 am, and I'd say it was a rousing success. That was the synopsis. If you want more read on. 7.00 pm -- John, Joe, 6 lasers, many feet of extention cords, a soldering iron, and one very large wafish sweater are loaded into my car, whereupon I make the drive to Staten Island via the Waldbaum's for ear plugs and a money machine. 7.45 pm -- we arrive and unload. The club looks like a mess. People are cleaning the bar areas and mopping the floors. Guys are running around screaming f***k you and checking lights. At least everyone is smiling, even though they're a little tense. 2 plus hours of moving ladders, cutting duct tape, feeling overwealmed, and shaking hands follow. (You can say what you want about Frankie Bones being a jerk and having an inflated ego, but he is only *ONE* person in the Storm Rave Organization. And Frankie has never been anything but a decent person the few times I've spoken with him. Don't be too quick to confuse the DJ persona with the man. Anyway, everyone I met was pleasant and easy to work with. They're really *pretty much* just a bunch of kids throwing a party -- the party just keeps getting bigger and bigger though!) 9.58 pm -- all lasers are installed and running. There are four in the Hardcore Reactor -- two drawing circles behind the bar, and one on each of the speaker stacks shooting shifting read beams across the crowd. In the Nuclear Chamber were two more lasers tracing patterns on the walls. Two more were in two of the four remaining chill areas. 10.00 pm -- Ralphie Dee turns up in the Nuclear Chamber and starts spinning trance. The party begins. Not to dis Ralphie or anything, but his DJ-ing poweress is not quite up there with Micro's and Onionz's, who were also spinning in the Nuclear Chamber. The rest of the evening was like attending two raves at once. Every so often I'd wander into the Hardcore Reactor and rave to the typical Brooklyn Hardcore (Frankie Bones / Adam X / Jimmy Crash / some friend of Ralphie's from Germany). In small doses it's AMAZING ENERGISING stuff. Most of the time I was in the Nuclear Chamber either running the "spirograph" laser or grooving out. It was so great to look at all the happy dancing people and realise that in some small way I had a hand in helping them to be happy (okay, so all I did was carry stuff around and hold the duct tape, but it was still helpful). Lots of people said nice things about how cool the lasers looked, which really made John (jna, our list moderator) and Joe (cutter) quite happy. 6.00 am -- Onionz turns off the music as it's time to go home. Unfortunately this was done completely gracelessly (he didn't say anything right away like goodbye or whatever), so some people got nasty. That kind of bothered me -- (1) that Onionz bumped to a halt like that and (2) that people were so mean about it. One guy came up to me and started bitching and I said "hey, I don't run the club, I am just here to do the lasers, you should complain to someone that can do something about it, not me." He was bitching saying "what's this bullshit about closing at 6.00 am?" Annoying boy. The only dark mark on the entire evening. 7.00 am -- We've cleaned up, packed up, and are awaiting breakfast at a diner in Jersey City, New Jersey. For those of you who know me: I practically fell asleep on John's shoulder at that point. Unusual post-rave behavior for me! I must be sick or getting old or something . . . . :-) Laura (not very hyper today) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:08:01 -0400 Subject: please add please add proton@wam.umd.edu thanks. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:34:13 EDT From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Thunderground Well, as advertised, Thunderground on Staten Island opened Saturday night. Since I haven't seen anything here about it since (save Laura's report, which arrived in my mailbox as I was typing this), here are my impressions (opinions only, YMMV, add a liberal dose of smileys). Dramatis personae: Me: <'nuff said> Trish: Raver, poor soul bereft of net.access Joe: Trish's husband, has never raved Robby: Worked at Studio 54 in its heyday, has never raved Sue: Law student, and veteran of DC club scene, also never raved Getting there was easy, despite my unfamiliarity with Staten Island. You can't miss the big neon "700" on the side of the building. The venue was every bit as cool as Laura described it last week. We first walked into the large Hardcore Reactor, with Frankie Bones doing his usual patter "welcometothethunderground, welcometothethunderground..." Eight mini-scans and a few large strobes judiciously employed. A couple of lasers scanning slow Lissajous patterns on the walls. Bathrooms (much needed after the drive and the queue to get in) easily found next to the DJ booth, and free from the, uh, detritus of the usual beer-sodden club. That, Frankie's hardcore, and that unique feeling one gets when first entering a rave (adrenaline?), get me *pumped*. Hang a left, down into the long hallway, lots of people hanging out. The bar was doing a brisk Jolt Cola business. (The bartender provided one of the highlights of the night, when we ordered five glasses of water. I'm used to getting pretty well dissed when I order something nonalcoholic at a club. This guy was as happy to fill five cups of water as he would have been to make five expensive call drinks. He and we joked around the whole time while Trish and I mainlined our first waters, then, "Hit me again, barkeep!" If I ever tend bar, I hope to have as much fun doing it as this guy seemed to be.) Anyway, back to the beginning, we hang a right into the Nuclear Chamber. There is a God, else how could such wonderful acoustics occur? There's a large multi-beam on the ceiling, deftly operated. One laser is sending scintillating beam-pops through the Martin fog, another is projecting more Lissajous patterns on the wall, but these obviously are not of the automated set-and-forget variety. At this point, Trish is still in the other room initiating Robby and Joe into the hardcore world. Sue and I have made it to the back of the Nuclear Chamber, to find that the lights are being collectively operated by our own Laura, John and Joe, who, after a ritual net.greeting, are charitable enough to let me make a fumbling attempt at driving the pattern generator. I over- stay my welcome at the controls before relinqushing the laser back to Laura, its eminently rightful, capable, and self-deprecating ("carry stuff around and hold duct tape" indeed!) custodian. Then, I can't help but engage in a long shop-talk session with John. Sue, in the meantime, is parlaying my neglect into a chance to experience the friendliness of the rave scene firsthand. Sue and I get our fill of Intellex, then reunite with Trish, her Joe, and Robby. (Robby, BTW, is an architect of the deconstructivist bent. The building itself was for him an orgasmic experience this lay person can only speculate about.) The rest of the night is spent alternately dancing, drinking water, and chilling until about 4:30, at which point the majority of us five indicate that only a small minority of energy is left, so the consensus is to call it a night. Of course, Trish and I were deeply satisfied by the whole thing, doubly so given the choice in music provided by the separate rooms, but more importantly, the other three were also ecstatic at the prospect of Friday nights without the intonation of the Central Jersey motto, "I don't know, what do you want to do?" Huge kudos go to all at Thunderground (except for the door woman who defines "raver" as "any male wearing a hat") for a super cool place and a super cool time. Neat neat neat neat neat. -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:58:26 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: reviews... Great reviews on Oracle, Crusade, and Thunderground. Thanks, guys. Makes for good reading (at work). What??! It's a holiday today??? Not for me. I have to go study now. Anyways, I feel slighted that I am going to miss out on the Sputnik II rave. I look forward to reading about it next week. Anyone going to the Loft on Friday? Anyone want to meet at Axis beforehand? (OK... I know its a bit early in the week to make decisions for Friday...?!?!) CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 18:17:48 -0400 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: DC raves? Anybody know if there's supposed to be any really excellent raves in DC between Oct.16th and 19th? -- Marla. "Much doesn't mean much." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: parachute raves From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (inhuman inhuman) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 23:33:21 EDT I went to a parachute rave back a few months ago. It was sponsored by the Whiteman-Walker Clinic (local AIDS clinic). It was a very nice rave except for the VERY high amount of what I consider to be "freaky" homosexuals. Now, I have nothing against homosexuals, bupeople who dress in leather with pierced nipples and call themselves "mother" scare me, regardless of sexual preference. There were a lot of those types there, and there was also some rather disgusting homo-erotic pornography being shown on about nine vidscreens. I know raves are not the places you go to reaffirm family values, but it was just a bit much for me. I don't know if this was a reflection of the fact that Whitman-Walker clinic was sponsoring it, or if all Parachute raves are like this. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "Find serenity in chaos, seek ye the eye of the hurricane." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Rise... Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 23:49:39 -0400 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU What are people's opinions on Rise? I went last Friday--it was pretty cool, but the music was pretty generic... nothing really stood out. I found the mix of people to be really interesting--seeing as it's kinda 2 clubs in one with the two dance floors...pretty cool... So waddya think of it--let me know (was Friday not as good as usual...or is it a pretty good indication of what it's like every week...) Also, anyone have any info on the rave that's supposed to be in East Boston? (or this just a malicious rumor I heard?....hope not)... Anyways, if you ever see some tall guy raving away in one place with a knee brace on (doing his best...), or just kinda sitting on the side wishing he could rave away--that's probably me...... -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:35:16 EDT From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Attention Philly ravers - Wonka 2 A promoter(s) called "Dead by Dawn" are putting up a rave in Philadelphia on Fri, Oct 23. Here is the small amount of info from the flier I got last fri. at the Troc. Dead by Dawn brings you Wonka 2 Friday, Oct. 23 New Dead by Dawn Rave Line (215) 552-8833 Stay Tuned... That's it, I'll probably try to track it down, if anyone has been to any of their raves, want to comment? I know they had a rave called "Jolt" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Yoram Yifrah -- uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" -- Howard Beal, UBS Network News [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 01:07:44 -0400 Subject: Gay raves... inhuman@phantom.com was writing about a parachute rave a while back sponsored by Whiteman-Walked AIDS clinic in D.C. I went to a rave called "Shock Rave," which was advertised in a D.C. Gay newspaper. inhuman writes: >Now, I have nothing against homosexuals, bupeople who dress >in leather with pierced nipples and call themselves "mother" scare me Well, people who dress in leather w. pierced nipples do not scare me, but the thing I really didn't like about "Shock Rave" was the amount of picking up and blatant sexual stuff going on. I will admit that it's damn tough to find a place where homosexuals can feel free to actually mingle in a pseudo-sexual way, and it doesn't bother me in the least when I've been around this at science fiction/fantasy cons for instance...but I guess I'm just a rave purist, and the thought of turning a wonderful dance-trance into a sexual experience just turns me right off, be it homosexuals, heterosexuals, or whatever. Maybe I should just loosen up ;) -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:19 EDT From: SIX HOURS OF GRE'S IS ENOUGH TO MAKE ANYONE CRAZY Subject: Loft Fridays Does anyone have three extra Loft flyers they're willing to donate? I've been swamped with work (I thought senior year was supposed to be EASY) and now that the GRE's are over, I think it's about time I got off this campus! Looking at 2000 woman all the time is enough to drive anyone crazy! (well, I suppose I can't speak for guys on this matter...) {{{TINA}}} p.s. You DO need a flyer to get in, oui? I hear they're hard to find. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:30:28 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Re: Loft Fridays > Does anyone have three extra Loft flyers they're willing to donate? Sorry, no extra flyers from me... > You DO need a flyer to get in, oui? $7 to get in (no membership/no flyer) $5 (I think) with a flyer I'll be there after going to Axis first (maybe). CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:35:00 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: re: Rise... From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU > What are people's opinions on Rise? I like it. Great for people-watching, too. CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:57 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Rise... Well, Rise has only existed for two weeks. I was there the first and again, the music was pretty generic, but it was a beautiful location and the whole thing was a very nice party and a good alternative to the Boston clubs. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:12 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 13 [LONG]) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:13 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue oct 13 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Techno Clubs (if you have more to add please let me know): Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard Baltimore -- Thurs. Paradox (Orbit -- these every other week) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Detroit -- POW! (313) - 433 - 2129 New Haven -- Sat. Bar New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight Peace (Acid House) Insomniacs [Queens] Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond (215) - 592 - 8481 Pittsburgh -- Sun. Metropol Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn Wed. Vault Thurs. Tracks Fri. Roxy Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Tuesday, October 13 COMMUNION New York City (212) - 969 - 8957 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 16 FREIGHT YARD Allentown, PA (215) - 433 - 0503 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17 SPUTNIK II Wayne, NJ (212) - 465 - 3299 CATASTROPHIC Richmond, VA (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, October 21 PROGENY 2.0 New York City (212) - 969 - 8957 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23 BOLD II Worcester, MA JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit WONKA Philadelphia (215) - 552 - 8833 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 UNITY New York City (718) - 670 - 3652 PUREX Nashville, TN (901) - 763 - 8064 (615) - 780 - 3730 LOST IN SPACE Toronto (416) - 924 - 4625 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 [no name] Boston ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late November STORM RAVE New York ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:13 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 13 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. Don't forget to RSVP if you are coming to the ne-raves pre-rave ravette before SPUTNIK this week. Laura and taylor808 present: THE FIRST EVER OFFICIAL NE-RAVES PRE-RAVE RAVETTE! That's right! We've been talking about it for weeks now and it's finally going to happen. The ne-raves list is going to meet itself. As you're probably already aware SPUTNIK II is being held Saturday, October 17, in Wayne, New Jersey. Wayne is about 20 miles from New York City, about 25 minutes from Laura's apartment, and about half way between Boston and Washington DC. We couldn't have *asked* for a better opportunity to bring the ne-ravers together. WHERE: Laura's apartment, Hoboken, New Jersey (you'll get directions when you RSVP for certain. I'm easily accessible via public transportation, too.) WHEN: Saturday, October 17, 1992. 8pm - 11pm. (SPUTNIK II starts at midnight, so if we leave my house at 11-ish we'll be some of the first people there and will avoid the inevitable New York Rave lines.) F E A T U R I N G The ArtCore sounds of Boston's DJ JoltHead Sound System and Lighting by Ed Lasers by John, Ed, and Joe Special ne-raves Rave Goodies (if we have time to get them done . . . .) Fun Snax Guest Appearance by Ivo the Cat R.S.V.P to Laura --> laura@usl.com There will be a small per person charge to cover the ravette's expenses. As soon as we figure out what it will be we'll let you know. ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Tuesday, October 13 COMMUNION New York City (212) - 969 - 8957 Tuesday October 13 Tony Fletcher, Neville Wells, and Dave Kendall Celebratre C O M M U N I O N Industrial, Gothic, Indie Dance, and Techno Every Tuesday On Three Floors with TROUBLEMAKER presented by Reese in the Chapel and the best in alternative live music Live Techno - Industrial Madness With P R O G R A M - 2 ("More Energy," "The Omen," "Twister") T O X I C B E A T B O X [taylor808 FROM NE-RAVES!!!!!] M E (DJ Tony Fletcher remixing live with samplers and sequencers) And ROMEO ROMEO the Mind Controller plus giveaways fro the Shamen and Utah Saints. Art Show by Jay Serkin & Tom Brunjes Every Tuesday: $3 beers and $2 sodas all night $7 each for two with flyer before 11pm, $10 after 11. $12 without flyer. L I M E L I G H T 6th Avenue at 20th St. 18 to smoke & groove, 21 to drink, bring id Communion Hotline 212 969 89 57 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 16 FREIGHT YARD Allentown, PA (215) - 433 - 0503 every friday enter the rave at the freight yard in allentown, pa. upcoming events are... live performances by Tri Angel, Shock, and Moby...as well as cd give-aways...every week there is an open smart bar, rave gear for sale, as well as whistle and blow pops for everyone! huge sound system and lights galore to increase your aural and visual stimulation...so come up or down and check it out! for more info call the rave line 24hrs a day at 215-433-0503! Dj's geoff E and Mars presiding over the ceremonies and lighting by Ikon Visuals, as well as guest Dj's from the Troc in philadelphia and the Limelite in NYC! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17 SPUTNIK II Wayne, NJ (212) - 465 - 3299 Satellite Productions Presents SPUTNIK II October 17th Witness the alignment of the planets . . . 20,000 watts of Boomin' Cosmic Bass ORBITING DJ's Adam X (Storm) Lenny D (Industrial Strength) Scott Richmond (Poughkeepsie) Onions (Caffiene) Wink (Philadelphia) Dazy-X-One (New Jersey) Repete (Future Shock) Scott Henry (Washington) Mr. Kleen (Gyroscopic) Debo (Boston) Rob Sherwood (Cleveland) DJ Freshco (New Jersey) Featruing Vortex Recording Artists EQUINOX Doors Open 12 Midnight Promotion: Dennis the Mennis, Heather Heather, Mello Mello, Alan Sanctuary, Alpay Mindwarp, Atomic Vibe, Ameobahead, Chill E Willy, Eddie Van Raven, Digital Deviants, Centrifugal Force Visuals by Xelibrium === Lights by Scotto TICKETS: on sale now. liquid sky, nyc. 212 431 5369 vinly mania, nyc. 212 463 7120 planet x, new brunswick, nj. 9082490304 rhino records, new paltz. 9142550230 music now, DC 2026383272 ameobahead, providence. 4017662334 mindwarp, boston. 6172661987 advance tickets are $13 now and $15 on the 17th. (the day of the rave). only tickets and busses will be insured entry GENERAL SPUTNIK INFO::::: 212 465 3299 DIRECTIONS: >>from points North: Garden State Parkway south to exit 154 (Route 46 west), and follow directions below.** >>from points South: Garden State Parkway north to exit 153 (Route 3 west). Take Route 3 to Route 46 west (a left exit) and follow directions below.** >>from Lincoln Tunnel take Route 3 west, passing the Garden State Parkway. Look for a left exit to Route 46.** **Take Route 46 for 3 miles just past Toys 'R' Us to the Riverview Drive/Wayne exit. Follow the signs to Wayne by taking a left and then an immediate right on to Riverview Drive. Go 3 lights (1.5 miles) to Valley Rd. Turn right on Valley Rd. and go 4 lights (3 miles). Just before the 5th light (Hamburg Turnpike) is the Ramapo Shopping Center. SPUTNIK II is at "Skaters World" roller rink, Valley Road and Hamburg Turnpike, Wayne NJ. BUS INFO: manhattan shuttle info: 212 465 3299 brooklyn: heather at 718 646 8077 or dennis at 212 629 2061 long island: beep eddie @ 516 435 2560 or liz @ 516 968 8342 boston: 617 266 1987 philly: 215 592 8481 poughkeepsie: bill @ 914 297 4930 providence: 401 766 5334 baltimore/dc: lg @ 310 235 1131 NJ: michelle and chrissy @ 908 727 6527 cleveland: 216 892 3373 Special Thanks To: Those who were at the First Launch, Storm, NASA, Catastrophic, Primal, Joint Ventures, Under One Sky, Evolution, Up North, and all involved with Sputnik II. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17 CATASTROPHIC Richmond, VA (703) - 971 - 4555 First underground rave in Richmond. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, October 21 PROGENY 2.0 New York City (212) - 969 - 8957 Communion Presents -- Wed. Oct. 21 9PM Past, Present, and Future Collide at P R O G E N Y - V . 2 . 0 with T H E S H A M E N / U T A H S A I N T S / m o s e s o n a c i d Mr C (The Shamen) DJ Tim (Utah Saints) DJ Reese and Tony Fletcher continuing the live dance experience with a synergy between the most progressive live acts and the finest DJ's $15 Advance / $20 day of show. No service charge at Palladium Box Office. Outlet and Telephone orders are subject to a non-refundable Ticketmaster Service Charge. Phone Orders are subject to an additional per-order handling fee. Palladium 126 E 14th St. 212 473 7171 Communion Hotline: 212 969 8957 TickeTMaster -- J&R Music World * Bloomingdale's * Tower * HMV (212) 307 - 7171 (201) 507 - 8900 (914) 454 - 3388 (516) 888 - 9000 Produced in association with Metropolitan Entertainment ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23 BOLD II Worcester, MA Becca says: Worcester is gonna try it again with BOLD II October 23rd ! details will follow in time... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23 JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit Journey through the hardcore Live from NYC the return of MOBY Live from England, The US debut of MANIX plus Blake Baxter DJs Kevin Saunderson Richie Rich Darryl Wynn Claude Young Friday Octo 23 Detroit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23 WONKA Philadelphia (215) - 552 - 8833 Dead by Dawn brings you Wonka 2 Friday, Oct. 23 New Dead by Dawn Rave Line (215) 552-8833 Stay Tuned... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 UNITY New York City (718) - 670 - 3652 The Mental Unity Tribe presents UNITY Saturday, Oct 24, 1992 -- 12:00 till Dawn Taking Over Your Mind N.Y.C. RAVE DJ's Frankie Bones Mario Genovese Jimmy Crash Heather Heather also with RAVE MC Tommy Dugo Donation $8.00 (to get the party going) For tickets and information please call the Hot Line (718)-670-3652 Your hosts: Joe, Nicole, Mickey, Steve, Damion, Dave, Steve, Andre` Strictly HardCore and most of all Totally Underground ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 PUREX Nashville, TN (901) - 763 - 8064 (615) - 780 - 3730 Saturday October 24 - 10 pm soundshock presents "Purex" your fierce dj hosts rick phifer and graflin with special guest djs the mighty o'die from memphis chip b. and chek from nashville new larger location more thumpin bass for your face retina scorching light show 8 hours of pure energy 100% hardcore techno smart bar dumb bar vendor booths rave clothes and accessories huge chill-out room live performances by soundshock and fresh technojive artist anode $10 w/invite $12 without info 901-763-8064 or 615-780-3730 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 LOST IN SPACE Toronto (416) - 924 - 4625 chemistry productions presents / LOST IN SPACE / saturday october 24th The Story So Far ... Chemistry touched down in Toronto at the end of last year with our first rave attended by less than 200 curious and frostbitten party goers. Since then the vibe has grown and the culmination of our dreams and efforts came in July when our fifth event, Planet Rave 92, pulled 2500 like minded ravers together for the largest ever outdoor dance gathering to take place north of the border. That night proved beyond doubt that there is a wicked rave scene growing in Toronto and since then we've spent the last two months planning the sequel, holding back till we felt the scene was ready for it. We now feel it is and we proudly present "Lost In Space," our wildest adventure yet. With this event we're going to take raves into a new dimension. It'snot about who has the best lighting, the craziest attractions, or the most powerful soundsystem (although we usually do!) -- it's about atmosphere. Atmosphere is created by the peole who go and Chemistry ravers are unique, in that they know how to parteee! So this time we're gonna make all your dreams come true by taking a venue and transforming it into the ULTIMATE RAVE ENVIRONMENT. Raves are fast becoming the single biggest movement in youth culture of all time, allowing everyone from all walks of life to unitein a common love of dance music, breaking down the barriers of racial and social ignorance and above all having a wicked time! _We believe this to be the true meaning of raves._ So remember Chemistry is about positivity, progresssion, harmony, and fun. If you don't believ in these values, stay at home, because you won't be welcome at a Chemistry rave. Peace, Alx & Charly THE NAVIGATORS Eon -- "For the next hour sit quietly and we will controll all that you see and hear." Taking control of the soundsystem will be our special guest DJ from the UK - EON. Creator of the rave anthems "Spice" and "Basket Case," he'll be flying in to Canada for the first time and touching down with the latest in UK rave tunes. (Forthcoming single "What is Music?" & album _The Void Dweller_ on Columbia Records.) "The spice _will_ flow." Mr. C from the SHAMEN -- Also fresh in from the UK where the Shamen have just hit #1 with their new track "Ebeneezer Goode" (Eez are goode, Eez are good), will be our special guest MC & DJ Mr C. Guaranteed to tear up the turntables & terrorize the mike, Mr C's making a long awaited return to Toronto for the first time since Chemistry 2. "Let your soul & your body & your mind be free." Chameleon -- Chameleon are the resident Chemistry techno performers had have rocked the crowd at our last two raves. With some brand new material never heard before plus of course the Planet Rave classics, Chameleon's fast becoming a force to be reckoned with. Moby & 808 State beware! The future is here. THE FLIGHT CONTROLLERS Alx of London -- DJ/Promoter of Chemistry, Alx has been DJ'ing for 7 years, playing clubs & raves from London to Paris to New York. Current Style: Progressive house & rave Favorite Clubs: Mud Club (London '87), Clink Street (London '89), Sound Factory (N.Y.) Loves: Poutine, PG tips & mellow people. Hates: Air India, Bryan Adams & ignorance. Wants: A 7-11 delivery service. Dr. No -- Undoubtedly the best techno DJ in Canada and one of the slickest mixers around, the Dr. has spun at every Chemistry rave so far. Current Style: Hardcore & jungle Home is: London, E8. Smokes: Too much. Drinks: Not enough. Most Respected DJ: Malik X Favorite Label: Ibiza, mostly whites "A Place Called Bliss" -- Introducing for the first time at Chemistry, the freshest and wickedest DJ you'll ever hear. Exclusive to Chemistry, "A Place Called Bliss" is just that. An outer body experience. Current Style: Trance & ambient. Favorite Group: Model 500. Favorite Label: Stealth. Likes: Numark mixers, Naomi, & jerk chicken. Dislikes: Stupid people. L O S T I N S P A C E Saturday October 24th 1992 * Lift Off at 11 pm Lost In Space is our most ambitious rave yet. As always we've secured the best in sound and lighting technology to take you on the ultimate trip. Instead of listing all the attractions we're going to have, we're keeping that all a suprise this time. Just remember, Chemistry always delivers the goods and this rave will be no exception. Don't miss it for the world. Special Guest DJ's from the UK -- EON and MR C Turntable Technicians -- Alx of London, Dr No, & "A Place Called Bliss" Acts on the Night -- Chameleon, Aztec Voyedge, plus a special suprise guest WARNING!!! Chemistry raves are peaceful events for peaceful people. As such we reserve the right to refuse admission to troublemakers. Any weapons found on the night will be handed over to the police, so save yourself the hassle and leave them and your attitude at home. You have been warned!!! TICKETS We strongly suggest you obtain your tickets for this event in advance. It's cheaper and will save you time on the night. Our ticket price reflects the much higher overheads for this event and we guarantee you value for your money. Please vear in mind an event of this kind in the UK costs double this. HOTLINE For the latest info, ring the Chemistry crave-a-rave hotline on (416) - 351 - 0911 24 hours a day, recorded details. ESSENTIAL DATA FOR A RAVE WORLD Chemistry is run by a small group of people dedicated to the progress of understanding, having a f**king good time and peace in the cosmos. But we are only part of the big picture. Rave organisations are springing up across the world from LA to Sydney, New York to Rimmini, and Detroit to Goa. Much closer to home we have our own rave scene growin all the time. So support the cause, stay peaceful and have a laugh -- we are. Fellow Rave Organisations -- Adrenaline -- 369-9299 Exodus -- flyers Mayhem -- 631-4738 Nitrous -- 760-3185 Radio Shows to Listen To -- Hard Drive 89.5 FM -- Sunday 4-6 pm. DJ James St. Bass. Progressive Dance and Techno. Noise Factory 105.5 FM -- Sunday 11pm-2am. DJ's Tony Rizzuto, Pat, and Sid. Industrial and Techno. CKLN 88.1 FM -- Friday midnight to 6am. DJ's Peter, Tyrone & Shams. House & Grooves. In Toronto Check Out -- Rural Clothing -- ravewear (242 Queen E.) Play de Record -- latest imports (357 Yonge) Courage My Love -- accessories fora mellow life (14 Kensington Ave) The Factory -- reliable as ever (19 Mercer) On Your Travels -- LONDON -- Spiral Tribe (respect), Universe, Raindance, Camden Market (sundays), Astoria, The Fridge, Knowledge, Pirate radio & monster munch. NEW YORK -- Storm raves, Sputnik raves, The Limelight, Sound Factory, Groove records, Liquid Sky & cheap vitamins. L.A. -- PawPaw patch, Tef, Daven the Madhatter, Happy Wednesdays, Citrusonic, Doc Martin's after hours & coffee and sushi. Design, concept & layout by Alx, Charly & Terry at Telepathic Vis.Comm. (667-9664). The shouts & respects bit: Sidney, Mychol, Chas, Nicky Tweak, Pat (you foot stomper you), Heather (N.Y.), Miss Thangs everywhere, Rochester (part II) posse, Iron balls McGinty & all the intrepid ravers . . . HOW TO GET THERE The venue is indoors and downtown. The final location is a closely guarded secret and will not be revealed to _anyone_ -- so don't ask! The adventure begins at the meeting point which is outside the front of Union Station and it will be active from 10.30 pm onwards on the night. As always, a shuttle bus service will be running for those without transport. At the time of printing there is a small possibility this could be our last event in Toronto for some time, so don't miss out. Whatever happens, rave on in peace. -- The organisers. TICKET INFORMATION Advance tickets go on sale Monday, October 5th. Ticket price is $15 ($20 on the door). Tickets are available through Ticketmaster or from one of the official Chemistry ticket outlest listed below. If you have any queries or problems, call us at the Chemistry office on (416) - 924 - 4625. Ticketmaster: There are over 60 Ticketmaster outlets in Southern Ontario alone and tickets can be purchased either in person or over the phone by credit card. For credit card bookings in information on the Ticketmaster location nearest you, call (416) - 870 - 8000. Tickets purchased over the phone will be available for pickup at the door on the night. A booking fee applies. Official Chemistry Ticket Outlets: Toronto -- Play de Record, 357a Yonge St. (416) -586-0380 Rural Clothing, 242 Queen St. E. (416) - 368 - 6954 Woodbridge -- Fresh Records, 140 Woodbridge Av. (416) - 856 -5052 Kitchener -- Dr. Disc, 146 King St. W. (519) - 743 - 8315 Hamilton -- Dr. Disc, 20 Wilson St. (416) - 523 - 1010 Oshawa -- Record Buyer, 785 Albert St. (416) - 579 - 2447 Rochester -- Record Archive, 1394 Mt. Hope Ave. (716) - 473 - 3829 New York City -- Liquid Sky, 482 Broome St. (212) - 431 - 5369 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 Catastrophic presents . . . M A S Q U E R A V E voo doo trance introducing tribal trance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 [no name] Boston Camper tells us: nov 7th-warehouse rave in boston with debo, onions, micro, a slew of NYC DJ's, 80,000 watts,smart bar, etc. (this was originbally scheduled for oct. 24th and changed- this means that it is not 100% sure yet, although the DJ's are confirmed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- November (sometime) STORM RAVE New York ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:13:39 EDT From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu ****Sooper Phat Bus Trip**** October 31, 1992 M A S Q U E R A V E From Pittsburgh To Washington DC Saturday 4pm -- Sunday 4pm Total Cost : $40 (includes trip AND rave ticket) Highlights of Bus Trip ---------------------- Reclining Leather Seats Television Screen w/EVERY seat HyperDelic Videos Free Smart Drinks Kickin' Techno Music Pumped Throughout Bus Good Vibe Comfortable Ride For more information -------------------- CONTACT : Dario Kenning 412-682-6159 or Turbo Zen Records 412-621-7759 ---- This was posted for a friend ---- 105% HighOctane RaveFuel TECHNOCOLORED ------------------------ HIGH VELOCITY ULTRA-SONIC damian@unix.cis.pitt.edu BIONIC BOTS IN TOYLAND ------------------------ HYPNO-PHLUIDITY (((((In Stereo))))) where available [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:46:40 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: those of us in pa.... ok, here's all the responses i got from me asking who on ne-raves was in pennsylvania.... if anything is incorrect, or anyone wants to be added, or whatever, just email me and i'll fix it-- in harrisburg (or close): sean leblanc at penn state univ. sxl136@psuvm.psu.edu at penn state univ.(?) mab195@psuvm.psu.edu in pittsburgh (or close): michel battaglia at carnegie mellon mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu jack faley at univ. of pitt johnf@unix.cis.pitt.edu in philadelphia (or close): yoram yifrah at drexel univ. uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu nina karp at bryn mawr college nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu nick at swarthmore college dammira1@c.swarthmore.edu evan roth (me) at lehigh university epr0@lehigh.edu that's the list for now- i'm sure there's a lot more; so again, if you want on or think anything else should be listed just email me... everyone in philly:: i tried the phone number for wonka 2 given- 215.552.8833- and it started off with some howling and then a woman's voice comes on and asks you to leave a message- are we supposed to give our name and address and get flyers mailed to us? e va n "ya know why they call him dj trEE?? cos he likes to CHOP the beats!!!"- dj geoffE on his radio show [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:13 EDT From: Subject: Re: those of us in pa.... Okay, it's not exactly a correction, *but* I am at the Harrisburg campus of PSU, not the main campus, and to some, esp. those at main campus assuming I am at main campus, too, it would make a difference... Thanks! Sean LeBlanc -The century's getting old and stale; it needs new tribes. -Clive Barker, In the Flesh [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:11:17 -0400 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: LFO Does anyone have any info on LFO? Discography? Where are they from? etc? I heard some of their stuff this summer in France. I don't know the names of the albums I heard but I liked them :) I have not yet found any of their stuff in the states, although I have not really looked too hard. -- Marla. "Much doesn't mean much." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:31:08 -0400 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: what is wrong here? hi. Please let me know if you are on the mailing list and get this message. Everytime I send something out, I instantly get a message back from MAILER DAEMON with my message repeated and a bizarre error message. I do not understand this. Do you? Did anyone get my question about LFO which I sent out twenty minutes ago. AAAAARRGGHH!!!!!! Isn't this the correct address?: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu -- Marla. "Much doesn't mean much." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:46:31 EDT From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: Who in DC? Hey, my name is Doug, and I'm new on ne-raves. I was wondering what other people joined up on the ne line that are in the DC area. I young and I'm new and I'm ignorant. So educate me, please? Just interested, DZ "what?" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:11 EDT From: Subject: Re: those of us in pa.... this is mab195 at penn state (university park campus) my name is mike barnes so that should dispose of those question marks, later [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:32:33 -0400 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: nothing's wrong here! Thanks to everyone who let me know that my mail was getting through to the list. WOW!!! I got tons of e-mail tonight. ^ ^ O O I \_/ -- Marla. "Much doesn't mean much." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:35:18 -0400 From: keene@titan.ucc.umass.edu (STEFAN L KEENE) Subject: Happy Valley Ravers I just got back from spending a raving year in the U.K. and I'm back in the happy valley. Only problem, happy valley doesn't seem too concerned with Rave (makes me very very sad). Is there any ne-ravers out there in the happy valley? Stefan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:13:06 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: boston to ravettesputnik ride wanted hi. anyone from the boston area that is going to the pre-sputnik ravette have any room in their car? i can only get a ride to the rave itself so far. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:17:07 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: LIFE rave in boston the DJ list for the LIFE rave in BOston nov. 7th is as follows: debo onionz micro wink dave the wave (new haven) repete scott henry mac dehay(belgium) mayhem tim ryan mr. cleen dave trance +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:20:37 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: bus to masquerave from boston debo said that there may be a very small group going to the masquerave from boston on halloween. if you are interested, i suggest that you call the mindwarp number (2661987) to request it-that way there's a better chance of it happening. debo is spinning there, along with onionz,micro,dante,scott henry,and a bunch of others that i can't remeber. this rave will be out of the usual harcore catastophic series, and a more happy-housy format. i can't wait. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:26 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: LAST CHANCE to RSVP I need an exact list of ne-ravers who are going to be at the pre-SPUTNIK party at my house. I have the following confirmed people: email address mail/net name call me --- ------------- ------------- ----------- laura@usl.com (Laura La Gassa) (Laura) TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU (taylor808) (Taylor) jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) (John) ebh@mink.att.com (Ed Horch) (Ed) djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) (Dave) epr0@Lehigh.edu (e va n) (Evan) revar@aol.com (revar) (Chuck) damian@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Liquid Spherical Cooling) ???? alw@brahms.udel.edu ???? ???? mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu ???? ???? camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) ???? uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu ???? ???? frans@WPI.wpi.edu (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) (Becca) robcamp@well.sf.ca.us ???? ???? tma@po.cwru.edu ???? ???? If you are coming and are not on this list, even if you are arriving with one of the people listed above, I need to know. Taylor and I are making some ne-raves goodies and need the name and email address of all ne-ravers who will actually be there. Also, if you ARE listed above, check to see that the name I have listed next to your email address is the name by which you'd like to be known. In the case of someone like "Liquid Spherical Cooling," give the name by which you'd like to be known AND the name by which you'd like to be called. No, we're not making huge goofy nametags, just something neat, tasteful, and personalized. So, if you have not yet RSVP'd please send me your email address the name by which you'd like to be known the name by which you'd like to be called (if different) how many non ne-ravers you are bringing along with you so I can estimate how much Fun Snax to buy If I don't hear from you by Thursday around 5.00 pm then I'll have to assume you are not coming . . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Laura and taylor808 present: THE FIRST EVER OFFICIAL NE-RAVES PRE-RAVE RAVETTE! That's right! We've been talking about it for weeks now and it's finally going to happen. The ne-raves list is going to meet itself. As you're probably already aware SPUTNIK II is being held Saturday, October 17, in Wayne, New Jersey. Wayne is about 20 miles from New York City, about 25 minutes from Laura's apartment, and about half way between Boston and Washington DC. We couldn't have *asked* for a better opportunity to bring the ne-ravers together. WHERE: Laura's apartment, Hoboken, New Jersey (you'll get directions when you RSVP for certain. I'm easily accessible via public transportation, too.) WHEN: Saturday, October 17, 1992. 8pm - 11pm. (SPUTNIK II starts at midnight, so if we leave my house at 11-ish we'll be some of the first people there and will avoid the inevitable New York Rave lines.) F E A T U R I N G The ArtCore sounds of Boston's DJ JoltHead Sound System and Lighting by Ed Lasers by John, Ed, and Joe Special ne-raves Rave Goodies Fun Snax Guest Appearance by Ivo the Cat R.S.V.P to Laura --> laura@usl.com There will be a small per person charge to cover the ravette's expenses. As soon as we figure out what it will be we'll let you know. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:37 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: LIFE rave in boston Arrrgh. Not "Dave the Wave" from New Haven? Ick. He used to spin at Ground Zero, an "alternative" dance club in Hoboken (where I live). I hope he's dropped a lot of his attitude now that he's found techno and raving . . . . . well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see! Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:13:58 EDT From: daveh@mitvmc.mit.edu Subject: Rave music Hi, I've never actually been to a rave, but have been getting into some of the music when I've had a chance to hear it. I was wondering if some of the people on the list could help enlighten me as to what some of their favorite music, things like the difference between "techno," "trance," and "hardcore," etc. I have some clue about some of the music from a station in Los Angeles that played a lot of techno/rave, but alas they got a new program director who said that the music was hurting her cat's ears (really!) and now they only play soft jazz. I went back there last weekend (I live in Boston) in hopes of getting some more tapes of techno/rave music, but no such luck. If some of you could send me a list of your favorite rave music, along with which 'type' you consider it to be, I'd really appreciate it so I can run out and look for it. Please send via e-mail so as not to use up any more list bandwidth. :) -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:13:51 -0400 From: "Liquid Cooled Spherical Imaging" Subject: Re: LAST CHANCE to RSVP Laura! Make me a tag that says 'dieselBoy' (get da lower/uppercase thing just like that). Ummmm, I am known sorta like that anyways. If you don't hear from Mike (mb7z@andrew....) make him one that says Dr. Slammin'. Trust me, he'll like it (hes a friend of mine). I cant wait!!! dieselBoy -- Liquid Spherical Imaging Process (that last word is always deleted) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:24 EDT From: Subject: Re: Happy Valley Ravers Happy Valley as in PA, if so yes I am in penn state but if not sorry, e-mail me if it is PA and maybe we can start something up later mike barnes in psu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:33:20 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: DC carpool to ravette&SPUTNIK I still have some room in my car for some DC people who want to go to the ne-raves rave @ laura's. E-mail me or give me a call (202) 667-4721 We are going to SPUTNIK, of course. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:35:09 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (think I'm going south for the winter) Subject: Re: reviews... No, but most likely, I'll be going to Venus De Milo if I'm still in Boston on thursday.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:46:19 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (think I'm going south for the winter) Subject: Re: Rise... The loft never seemed like a rave or club either. It just seemed like a big party in someone's apartment. (albet a very nice apartment..) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 14:50:23 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (think I'm going south for the winter) Subject: Masquerrave Is that what we've been looking for? a Rave in costume for halloween? oh, we just gotta do trick or treating at it.. :) -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:08:39 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (think I'm going south for the winter) Subject: Bounces. When you people get a bounce it means your message didn't get to ONE OR TWO people. yhour mail still gets to all the other Subscribers.. occasionally a machine goes down and someone's account goes brain dead. Don't painc! --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:21:52 -0400 Subject: Rave in DC Sat Via the UMRaveList: This message brought to you by the FISSION network: This Saturday night a rave will be held in the D.C. area. The promotor is in trouble with the law, so it is DEEEEP underground. It will be only $4 for entrance. You must call 202-331-4465 after 5pm on Saturday 17 to find out where you get tickets. Tickets must be picked up between 10-12pm on Saturday night. Location will be announced with ticket purchase. The rave will be held between 12-4am. This one sounds like a winner. It is way underground. Hope to see you all there... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:56:58 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (think I'm going south for the winter) Subject: Re: LIFE rave in boston Sounds like the LIFe rave is going to be huge, and for a first rave in boston this screams only one thing : BUST. Where is it going to be held? -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 15:58:15 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (think I'm going south for the winter) Subject: Re: bus to masquerave from boston Alternately, you all could go to wher ei used to live and knock on the door. I'm sure you'd wake him up. In fact, I've still got the master key to all the apartments. We could even get our own tickets. Just kidding guys. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 14-OCT-1992 16:19:42.27 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Dave the Wave Must Die Sorry, he's still a dick and an idiot Imagine the worst tekno dj you've everheard (songwise that is) Sesame's Treet, etc... and you have Daaaaave the Waaaaave BTW he uses automatically beat-matching cd players cheater. All this info second-hand of course... --Kreig the anti-secessionist tendency raVinglunatick ;) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:59 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Dave the Wave Must Die Well, I first heard Dave the Wave when he was spinning industrial at the Building in NYC. Nothing special -- put on a record, segue to another, etc. For a while he was associated with the only "alternative" non-college radio station in the area, WDRE (formerly WLIR). Then the building closed and he ended up in Hoboken spinning at Ground Zero. Not that there's anything wrong with Hoboken, but Ground Zero is a very cheezy club *pretending* to be alternative. If it's not dead now it should be. Next I hear Dave is banished to the wilds of New Haven (no disrespect to the growing New Haven scene, it's just funny how 'ole Dave keeps moving further and further away from New York) to spin at BAR. Gee, Dave the Wave and Debo both spinning at the same rave. Well, Micro, Onionz, Wink, Repete, and Dave Trance will make up for it. Plus there's all those other DJ's on line. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 18:39:49 -0400 From: keene@titan.ucc.umass.edu (STEFAN L KEENE) Subject: Happy Valley Sorry folks, should have clarified. Happy Valley is the UMASS Amherst/ Northampton/etc area. (Been away from the US too long, forgot how big this place is!). cheers ears, stefan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: LIFE rave in boston Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:52:31 MDT > Sounds like the LIFe rave is going to be huge, and for a first rave in boston > this screams only one thing : BUST. Folks, I learned this last weekend that this isn't always the case. It was my sixth rave, and by far the largest. At the previous five, the cops had driven by but had never bothered to investigate. This time though, they received complaints from the Marriot across the street. TALK TO THEM. We talked to them and offered anything we could do to help. They just told us to turn it down, otherwise they would have to take action. They acknowledged the fact that we didn't have a business license and there were probably minors with alcohol (there were bottles and cans all over the place), but they just stated that we could continue as long as we didn't get complaints. They also mentioned that although we'd probably want to do the same stuff in the future, that we should just be cognizant of our neighbors and we wouldn't have any problems from the police. Granted, we may have had the two best cops on the Salt Lake police force, but they were very nice when we were nice to them. Don't treat them like the enemy, they are just doing their job. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:21:23 EST Subject: Re: Happy Valley i figured you meant the good old pioneer valley... it is exactly where i am at the moment, although the south, which is even worse. amherst/northampton are at least cool in general... the lack of raves IS quite depressing. Pearl St. is much too cheesy to try anything it seems. and the Vertex is EVERYWHERE. i mean, they do speed metal, a supposed techno/gay nite, and wonderful Selectrocution. yippie! (is there a techno show on WMUA or WAMH? (WAMH has some good hip hop shows, but i need some techno! .. i miss ZBC!) anyway, if you find a rave up there, post it! but i'm moving out of "happy valley" next month and into "death valley" (ie worcester area :)). spread the good vibe y'all! -------------------^--^--^--------------------------------------- Donato Miranda base is for your fase. turn it up. daytime------> donato@applix.com ...uunet!applix!dmiranda nite|weekend-> damir@wpi.wpi.edu )))))))))))) coming soon to a street near you (((((((((((( -----------------------------------------------------co0l basE--- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:06:44 EDT From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Re: Dave the Wave Must Die Hey! I *LIKE* Sesame's Treet! :) Pat Patrick G. Salsbury State University of NY @ Buffalo, USA SALSBURY@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Disclaimers are silly. ;^) Think for yourself. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 10:34:35 EDT From: daveh@mitvmc.mit.edu On 14-OCT-1992 16:19:42.27 KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU said: >Imagine the worst tekno dj you've everheard (songwise that is) >Sesame's Treet, etc... I'm not familiar with the DJ in question, but what's wrong with Sesame's Treet? I found it kind of amusing. Don't know how it goes over at raves though. If this posting is typical I guess not too well. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Oct 1992 10:54:15 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: sesame's treat this whole "sesame's treat" thing is really bothering me. it seems like it's this new "fad" to hate that song. now, while i'm not too fond of songs that just use tv themes over a beat, i don't see why everyone has to be so proud going around saying "oh that song sucks"... just 'cos adam x did. just a release o' steam. >> taylor 909 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Michael Ray Roberts Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:10:22 -0400 Subject: Try This Treat What it comes down to is: Do you like the song or not? If not, don't listen to it. If you do, then listen to it. Theres no need to bicker back and forth and fill up my e-mail with garbage. If you're tired of the same old version ( the one they play on WPGC in Washington, a hip-hop/rap station) then try buying the single and listen to the other versions. The hardcore version will melt neurons!! Also on the single is Magnificent which I believe is one of the most fierce toons out right now. REMEMBER! Stop bickering- We're all in this together [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:15:34 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: sesame's treat > this whole "sesame's treat" thing is really bothering me. it seems like it's > this new "fad" to hate that song. now, while i'm not too fond of songs that > just use tv themes over a beat, i don't see why everyone has to be so proud > going around saying "oh that song sucks"... just 'cos adam x did. This musical genre (techno/rave) has, by nature, a short song life. Some tracks have substance and can carry better than others. I think "sesame's treat" was good in it's hayday, but, the song *is* old and IMHO lacks that certain substance that can carry a techno track longer than the 2-3 month freshness date. It's not a bad track. It's just so... (again, IMHO) trivial that it just doesn't carry for me. An example of a track that does carry for me? Richie Hawtin's (F.U.S.E) "Substance Abuse". It has body and clarity. Good stuff, man. :) This of course, is simply *my* opinion and I'm sure everyone has a fav producer/ songwriter that does the same thing for them. :) the happy hardcore raver, dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Oct 1992 11:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: treats thank you michael.. that's what i wanted to say.. but i just had to let out my steam he's right everyone. if you don't like it.. don't listen to it...and don't get on other's cases if they happen to like it...like mr. x does. see y'all at sputnik! >> taylor 606 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:31:26 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: bus boston-sputnik there will be a bus going from boston to the sputnik rave (but not to laura's :( ) but tickets at venus de milo smartbar on thursday or axis at the dj booth on friday. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: sesame's treat Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 9:47:37 MDT > this whole "sesame's treat" thing is really bothering me. it seems like it's > this new "fad" to hate that song. now, while i'm not too fond of songs that > just use tv themes over a beat, i don't see why everyone has to be so proud > going around saying "oh that song sucks"... just 'cos adam x did. I stated my displeasure for it long before I read the broken-street-Spanglish review by Adam X in the online version of UoS. The problem with the track is that there isn't a whole lot to it. There is a lot better techno being produced and when a piece of trash like "Sesame's Treat" pushes it's way to the top via the moronic masses, it tends to depress the people who are listening to the better stuff. The same displeasure was rampant when "James Brown Is Dead" was hot top-40 stuff. Speaking of the UoS issue, there are a few things I found really annoying about it: 1. The previously mentioned lack of proper grammer by several columnists. Please tell Adam that a hundred exclamation points after a sentence using "U" for "you" doesn't look like it is coming from anyone of a higher intelligence, let alone evolution. The whole thing smacks of Apple pirate electronic 'zines that were put out in the early '80s. A period I'm trying to forget. In contrast, a zine that I recently recieved from Chris Beaumont in San Francisco is interesting, well written, and is on a level that everyone from neophyte to DJ Ravemaster can relate to. 2. Despite the fact that I never use any sort of top ten list, it appears that it isn't a matter of what is "really good" but what is "really esoteric." I could make a list like this off the top of my head: 1. Robots and Retards: The Flush 2. Wanktronic: Sing My Siren 3. Stumpy E and the Boy Posse: F*CK ME HARD 4. Dizzy 92: Snack Pak 5. Flooba: Tooba 6. Aquaregia: Trancific (Yappa Remix) 7. Blunt Spear: Triballoon 8. Kundalini Express: Underwater 9. M667: Ka-Boom 10. Chisel Chime: Forget It It doesn't matter if these are real or not, nobody can get them anyway. When asked by a local rag for my top ten (all time), I had to throw out a lot of stuff that I really like because it is too hard for the average schmoe to acquire. Realize who you are writing for, the public. 3. Frankie Bones "response" in listing all the places he's been to was extremely poor. Is it any wonder that people think he's an egotist? According to what someone else recently mentioned, in "real life," he's a really nice guy. He should realize though that the way he writes for UoS and Street Sound makes him look like the only thing that is important to him is self-promotion. Also, how can a rave be called "underground" when flyers are passed out to record stores (I actually got a flyer for Storm from my supplier in California) and 5000 people attend? Try promoting an event by word of mouth, one day before it happens and see what the underground is really like. I found it amusing, to say the least, that I should contact R&S, +8, Rockpool, Industrial Strength, and Street Sound for more information about Storm. 4. As for "Detroit Forever," doesn't Detroit express quite a lot of displeasure over the rave scene? It would seem with Derrick May saying things like "I piss on your rave" that they aren't actually embracing it. Like it or not, the majority of the best music for raves is coming from Europe. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:47:03 EDT From: Dodge the bullets or carry the gun - the choice is yours Subject: Re: Sesame's Treet I hate to tell you this, but you're going to be hearing a lot more of Sesame's Treet soon. It's at #19 on the billboard dance chart this week (last week 36, previous 41) and debuted at #86 on the hot-100 singles chart. It's officially a pop hit... I don't mind that. It's interesting to note that as soon as Nirvana hit the hot-100 chart, the "alternative" fans started denouncing them, even though they had been raving about them the week before. (no pun intended!) There's an appeal to being part of an underground music movement, but we shouldn't feel so exclusive as to lash out at those artists who (by choice or by chance) cross over into the popular music scene. Paul [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: quark@asylum.sf.ca.us (Strange - I'm Feeling Charmingly Off-Color...) Subject: Sesame's Treet Some years ago, I sat myself down in front of a mirror, looked deeply into my own eyes, and repeated 25 times: Just 'cause it's popular doesn't mean it's good. Just 'cause it's popular doesn't mean it's bad. Like it 'cause you like it. Share it if you want. Worring what they think of it Only wastes your head. (Yeh, this was in highschool. It was one of my Big Personal Revelations. The whole Sesame's Treet uh, debate brought it back to mind... Relax - Move - Do what ya think... ===========================================================vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv -Dave Hull (quark@asylum.sf.ca.us -in reality near Boston) | I just fell down home #(617)623-5319 work #(617)942-0915 | these damn stairs Watson, the game is afoot. I thought you just said it was a game? Shut up Watson. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:33 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: sesame's treat >3. Frankie Bones "response" in listing all the places he's been to was >extremely poor. This was actually Adam X there . . . ("I has been (pun intended) to . . . "). >According to what someone else recently mentioned, in "real life," he's a >really nice guy. I believe I am that someone else. What I actually said was "Frankie has never been anything but a decent person the few times I've spoken with him." I don't know the man well enough to say whether he is a really nice guy or not. I've never met Adam X, by the way. >Also, how can a rave be called "underground" when flyers are >passed out to record stores (I actually got a flyer for Storm from my supplier >in California) and 5000 people attend? I kind of wondered about that myself . . . . Back East it seems that "aboveground" raves are held in legitimate clubs, and the rest are "underground." Now that the Storm Rave Organisation has its own club (The Thunderground) they are definately no longer underground. We all know that Storm Raves is a BIG money making operation, no matter what propaganda they choose to spew out. Fortunately, they put on damn fine raves (in my book anyway). What you may not know is that, aside from their big monthly money-gaining blow-outs called "Storm," they also put on very tiny word-of-mouth, cheap or free-to-get-into raves fairly often. These are definately very underground. No flyers, no lights, just a pair of turntables and such and anywhere from 200-1200 people dancing. >Like it or >not, the majority of the best music for raves is coming from Europe. Which is a statment Adam X would agree with, from looking at his invective. He was slamming the whole British techno(ish) scene, but had words of praise for the rest of Europe. Most of the stuff in his record box (judging from what I hear when he spins) comes from Germany/The Netherlands/Belgium. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Yes it's me....Asher" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:41:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Sesame's Treet Can't this discussion move to alt.rave ?????? Let's keep "more relevant" stuff on this list. ...........Asher. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:50:42 EDT From: "Christopher Penrose" Subject: Re: Dave the Wave Must Die Kreig and others defame some Dave dj: >Sorry, he's still a dick and an idiot >Imagine the worst tekno dj you've everheard (songwise that is) etc. I could care less! Jesus! I am not on this list to read stupid second-hand character defamations, I am here to learn about raves! Chris P [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 12:41 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Sesame's Treet Personally, I like that stupid "Sesame's Treat" thing. The first time I heard it at the Limelight (definately aboveground) I thought it was really cute. But I support Pete's and Adam X's and Dave's right to hate it. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:04:00 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (n) Subject: Re: LIFE rave in boston Yes, but Boston is notorious for busting us... then again, they allowed us to dance in the park that night till 6 am without stopping us, they even came by to check us out too.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:15:10 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (We too are one) Subject: Re: Sesame's Treet Starting to sound a bit like Voltaire... "I hate your opinion, but I'd die for the right to defend it." --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:01 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Sesame's Treet Not this bandwidth crap again. Asher complains: Can't this discussion move to alt.rave ?????? Let's keep "more relevant" stuff on this list. First off, not everyone here gets or wants to get alt.rave. Second off, last week the list adminstrator himself reminded everyone that the list was for the discussion of things techno and rave related. So I think a discussion of a certain New York (definately North Eastern US) based DJ and a certain New York based rave organization is relevant, as is discussion of techno music. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Europe Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:14:22 MDT > >Like it or > >not, the majority of the best music for raves is coming from Europe. > > Which is a statment Adam X would agree with, from looking at his invective. > He was slamming the whole British techno(ish) scene, but had words of praise > for the rest of Europe. Most of the stuff in his record box (judging from > what I hear when he spins) comes from Germany/The Netherlands/Belgium. Hmmm. Well I suppose names like Orb, Orbital, Aphex Twin, Eon, Frank DeWulf, Jam & Spoon, GTO, N-Joi, LFO, Solaris, Altern8, Future Sound of London, and numerous others should be written off because they come from England? Let me rephrase my statement: the majority of the best music for raves is coming from England. If any country should be written off, it should be Germany. Everything I get from there sounds like Kraftwerk doing industrial. Old and boring. I can't think of one notable techno band from Germany. Belgium has Lords of Acid and their zillions of incarnations, but then again, everyone else in Belgium sounds like Lords of Acid and their zillions of incarnations. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:22:21 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Sesame's Treet > Can't this discussion move to alt.rave ?????? > > Let's keep "more relevant" stuff on this list. "More relevant"?!? What's more relevant than a discussion of techno/rave music on a techno/rave mailing list? Regardless, your complaint seems to be a little late, the discussion is dwindling down if not completely over. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:23:09 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Dave the Wave Must Die > I could care less! Jesus! I am not on this list to read > stupid second-hand character defamations, I am here to > learn about raves! ...and reading about particular DJ's who play at raves is not learning about raves? confused and amazed. dave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 13:04 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Dave the Wave Must Die I (Laura) wasn't defaming Dave the Wave. I was reporting on his work history. I would think that trading info on the entertainment that is going to be provided at a rave that you will have to pay to get into might be beneficial. Besides, the purpose of this list is NOT for me to simply post rave flyers to you all every Tueseday on Rave-O-Matic. It is to discuss all things techno and rave related, especially in the North Eastern US. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Christopher Penrose" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:09:58 EDT Subject: Re: Sesame's Treet I think its great to discuss dj's, I guess I wasn't clear on this, but to say: "Dave is a dick" has so little information. I don't like dealing with mail like this, but I guess I have to fall into the Voltaire crowd and support its presence. Chrispy penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:39:27 -0400 Subject: Multiple stuff 1) I'm just an olde softy, but I really like Seasme's Treat (at least the better mixes...I hate the one on Kaos Theory 3). I think raving is all about being happy. Seasame Street makes me think about being a kid and being happy and childish and such. I'm not suprised alot of people react positively to this song (thus making it "popular"). Everyone I've ever played it for has said "Wow, can you make me a tape?" Of course, like all songs, it begins to loose something after the 100th hearing. Course, it also brings back memories of going to my first techno club with a hot technobabe, dance-trancing for hours together... 2) When within 5 miles of the University of Maryland, tune in WMUC 88.1 (if you are getting WJHU, you are not close enough to campus :( 10 watts of blinding FM power, and lots of the DJ's play techno stuff (why, I was just helping Digital Druid cyberpun@wam.umd.edu spin some disks yesterday). 3) There is a new fanzine known as FISSION originating from the University of Maryland. For more info, email proton@wam.umd.edu. 4) We are proceeding in getting Office of Campus Activities recognition for the UM RaveCoalition. Does anyone on this list know of Rave "clubs" at other Universities in the NE? 5) Ack, no list meta-discussion lest it's something particularly annoying (such as posting the entire script of "The Princess Bride") Don't mind that I was doing it before, I'm just stupid. I wouldn't be a graduate student if I had any sense anyway ;) DC Rave Saturday: Although Fred had fun at the last rave, he's been underground hiding from the law. He will be back Saturday Oct.17 when Bedrock Productions presents the Flintstones Rave. It will be a prehistoric rave with little effects and lighting, so personal flashlights, lasers, and other trinkets are recommended for you to bring. Stone Crushing is done in the Coralry be D.J.'s Mike Meichum and Chris Heir. Chris will live mixes during one of his sessions. Smart bar and Fry bar (??Nitrous Oxide??) will be available to elevate you from the Prehistoric age. Fred Flintstone will live forever!!! Tickets are only $4. To get to Bedrock follow these three steps: 1) On Saturday call (202)331-4465 after 5pm to find the ticket location. 2) Pick up tickets at location between 10.30pm-12.00am on Saturday 3) With ticket will be rave location. Beats going from 12am-4am. Go there and have a blast from the prehistoric PAST!! This sounds like it may be fun. Seems like it may be rave from the good old days (6-12 months ago, remember?) when ticket prices were low, lighting and effects weren't commercialized, and the scene wasn't mainstream. Just solid music, dancing, and nuero-expansion: thats what it is about, right? [end of inserted material] -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:55 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Europe Pete writes: > >Like it or > >not, the majority of the best music for raves is coming from Europe. > > Which is a statment Adam X would agree with, from looking at his invective. > He was slamming the whole British techno(ish) scene, but had words of praise > for the rest of Europe. Most of the stuff in his record box (judging from > what I hear when he spins) comes from Germany/The Netherlands/Belgium. Okay, there's two things that I want to make sure everyone knows: (1) I don't necessarily agree with Adam X. (2) Adam X spins what *he* considers to be "pure hardcore." That said . . . . >Hmmm. Well I suppose names like Orb, Orbital, Aphex Twin, Eon, Frank DeWulf, >Jam & Spoon, GTO, N-Joi, LFO, Solaris, Altern8, Future Sound of London, and >numerous others should be written off because they come from England? In my book, not at all. But Adam X doesn't spin this stuff. Maybe he has written them off, I wouldn't know. You could try faxing him to ask :-) !! >Let me >rephrase my statement: the majority of the best music for raves is coming from >England. Let's try again - - "the majority of the best music for raves is coming from England if you tend toward the less industrial/noize/hardcore stuff like the Orb, Jam & Spoon, and LFO." Which, unfortunately, most of the Brooklyn Crowd does not. But this is getting to be a matter of taste. >If any country should be written off, it should be Germany. >Everything I get from there sounds like Kraftwerk doing industrial. And this is exactly the kind of stuff I hear Adam X spinning. So from the point of view of what he likes and what he spins he is correct, and from the point of view of what Pete (and I) like and what Pete spins Pete is correct. A while back here we were talking about how this "100% HardCore" thing has gone on long enough . . . it seems that we've practically circled back to this conversation again and now it's getting into a matter of taste (on the parts of people reading this) and etiquette (on the part of certain DJs expressing themselves in public, and I don't mean you Pete). Oh and by the way Dave (djm), we all know you love 100% HardCore. :-) :-) >boring. >Lords of Acid and their zillions of incarnations, but then again, everyone >else in Belgium sounds like Lords of Acid and their zillions of incarnations. I agree . . . that "hardcore/Belgian Hoover" thing has been DONE TO BITS. Over and over again is wearing. I like a lot of hardcore tracks, just not ALL AT ONCE. Storm puts on great raves and I'd like them even more if they got another non-hardcore DJ besides Dante at the next one . . . either that, or have Dante spin longer. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Multiple stuff--sesame street Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:25:43 EDT > 1) I'm just an olde softy, but I really like Seasme's Treat (at least > the better mixes...I hate the one on Kaos Theory 3). I think > raving is all about being happy. Seasame Street makes me think > about being a kid and being happy and childish and such. > I'm not suprised alot of people react positively to this song > (thus making it "popular"). Everyone I've ever played it for has > said "Wow, can you make me a tape?" Of course, like all songs, > it begins to loose something after the 100th hearing. Well, I have observed a cutoff age where people just don't seem to get it. People older than 30 who did not watch Sesame Street as a kid just stare and say, "so what? it's just sesame street with a guy yelling over it" whilst younger people (<30) get this big grin and several have asked me for tapes. Just my observation... ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:36:51 -0400 Subject: Sesame's Treet I'd like to add that sometimes it's nice to have like a smaller version of alt.rave, instead of having to read through 80 messages, plus virtually I kinda know the people on ne-raves... my humble opinion on The Smart -Es song: it was cute the first time... and then you realize...it's really not all that. Talking about breakbeat...I have seen this song on two comps (imports ) and wonder if any of you have heard it: Me'israelites (sp) by Chops and EMC or something like that...anyone hear this? anyone like this? I think it's kinda cool. Gil "digital druid" cyberpun(k) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:40 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: DELETE UNLESS YOU ARE AT DREXEL UNIV. Sorry to waste list bandwidth, but I'm trying to get ahold of someone who's address looks something like uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu Your mail bounces. I need the name by which you like to be called so I can finish your badge for the ne-raves party. Drop me a line at laura@usl.com Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15-OCT-1992 17:20:59.62 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Dave the Wave look I wrote the damn thing because Laura asked about him. maybe i should've sent the reply back to her. I didn't. *IM FUCKING SORRY, OKAY?!* and about Sesame's Treet, someone said I was on the hate bandwagon... I HAVE HATED THAT THING FROM THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT. I hate "Tainted Love, "How Does It Feel, "O Fortuna", "JBID", "SAFETY DANCE"... I don't *like* gimmicky techno. I never knew that Adam X hated it or even said he did and I could give a fuck less what he thinks, because he also hates anything with a breakbeat (unless by Beltram). OKAY? Kreig will be silent now. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:36:51 -0400 Subject: Sesame's Treet I'd like to add that sometimes it's nice to have like a smaller version of alt.rave, instead of having to read through 80 messages, plus virtually I kinda know the people on ne-raves... my humble opinion on The Smart -Es song: it was cute the first time... and then you realize...it's really not all that. Talking about breakbeat...I have seen this song on two comps (imports ) and wonder if any of you have heard it: Me'israelites (sp) by Chops and EMC or something like that...anyone hear this? anyone like this? I think it's kinda cool. Gil "digital druid" cyberpun(k) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15-OCT-1992 17:29:28.49 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Multiple stuff--sesame street >Well, I have observed a cutoff age where people just don't seem to get >it. People older than 30 who did not watch Sesame Street as a kid just >stare and say, "so what? it's just sesame street with a guy yelling over >it" whilst younger people (<30) get this big grin and several have asked >me for tapes. Just my observation... Well maybe that's why I hate it. I never watched Sesame's Treet ;) when I was a kid... Kreig [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:01:47 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Sesame's Treet > what's wrong with Sesame's Treet? I found it kind of amusing. What's wrong with it is that it basically has no musically-redeeming qualities whatsoever. If you were to remove the Sesame Street sample, all you would be left with is the break beat. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:30:36 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Europe > Well I suppose names like Orb, Orbital, Aphex Twin, Eon, Frank DeWulf, > Jam & Spoon, GTO, N-Joi, LFO, Solaris, Altern8, Future Sound of London, and > numerous others should be written off because they come from England? > Belgium has > Lords of Acid and their zillions of incarnations, but then again, everyone > else in Belgium sounds like Lords of Acid and their zillions of incarnations. Wrong, Belgium also has TZ, who makes incredibly subtle acid-trance music. If you like Altern8 and Future Sound of London, you'll like TZ. (But TZ's stuff isn't available on CD, except for the TZ track on the Logic Trance CD, which unfortunately is one of the least impressive TZ tracks.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15-OCT-1992 17:35:04.86 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Sesame's Treet >I hate to tell you this, but you're going to be hearing a lot more of >Sesame's Treet soon. It's at #19 on the billboard dance chart this week >(last week 36, previous 41) and debuted at #86 on the hot-100 singles chart. >It's officially a pop hit... I don't mind that. It's interesting to note that >as soon as Nirvana hit the hot-100 chart, the "alternative" fans started >denouncing them, even though they had been raving about them the week before. >(no pun intended!) There's an appeal to being part of an underground music >movement, but we shouldn't feel so exclusive as to lash out at those artists >who (by choice or by chance) cross over into the popular music scene. Well this is deja vu... tell the truth, I didn't like "Smells Like Teen Spirit" too much (not abject hatred mind you) either. and when I said that to someone a couple of months later when it started to cross over he accused me of alternative anti-popchartitis. -Kreig [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Europe Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:55:19 MDT > Wrong, Belgium also has TZ, who makes incredibly subtle acid-trance music. > If you like Altern8 and Future Sound of London, you'll like TZ. (But TZ's > stuff isn't available on CD, except for the TZ track on the Logic Trance > CD, which unfortunately is one of the least impressive TZ tracks.) How much of TZ do you suppose Adam X spins? Probably about the same amount of attention he gives to Altern8 and FSoL. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:04:30 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: sesame once again these talks are getting out of hand. of course, this message just furthers the drag...but, i got quite an angry reply sent to me when, as far as i know, i didn't say anything to hurt anyone...now there's some sort of "bandwagon" thing going... if we're gonna argue about Smart E then please let's do it peacefully. see the sky be the sound >> taylor 909 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:19:37 -0400 From: keene@titan.ucc.umass.edu (STEFAN L KEENE) Subject: From England to New England I just got back from spending the year raving in the U.K. where I fell in love with Raves. While I was in England I found ne-raves and started watch what's up back home, and back in May it didn't seem like much but... POW. I just got back on the mailing list and I am amazed! The list is gotten pretty big and there seems to be high quality raves all over the place! Very nice. I have sort of a dumb question, has "Jungle Techno" gotten big over here yet? Near the time I was leaving that's all they were playing in Manchester. The house hours that my fav dj used to do is now dominated by jungle. I like sum of it, but some of it is just tooooo fast. In case jungle isn't over here, jungle is like very very fast. Sounds like hummingbird heartbeats, I'd love to see dj's mix with it 8'). Anyway, Stefan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: sesame's treat > >this whole "sesame's treat" thing is really bothering me. it seems like it's >this new "fad" to hate that song. now, while i'm not too fond of songs that >just use tv themes over a beat, i don't see why everyone has to be so proud >going around saying "oh that song sucks"... just 'cos adam x did. > >just a release o' steam. > >>> taylor 909 I agree, I like the song, although I have grown quite tired of it because it has been overplayed a lot(ie:the more times you hear it, it gets less and less exciting) and it actually seems kinda slow and the beats aren't very hard at all. It does get kinda annoying at a frat party where the only techno you hear are James Brown is Dead and Sesame's Treet:not a good representation of the current techno genre. Don't worry...I don't go to frat parties anymore. I get annoyed when people cut down a record when it sounds like they think it's gone 'out of style' and they have become preachers and leaders of 'rave culture'. I think cutting records and selling them by using primarily some novelty idea(ie:using title and samples from movies, old songs, etc.) only just contributes to the make-a-record-quick attitude that is out there. This will only burn out the scene. plus this discussion should be featured on just alt.rave. This is only my opinion and is not meant to start flames. I also get tired when I hear the calls to keep the scene underground. I don't think the scene should be about style or uniqueness, it should be about the quality of the music that is out there. A act that is popular, gets signed to a big label, and produces awesome music is not 'out of style' for the ultra-alternative crowd out there. It is a function of the music. Stop preaching about commercialism and just enjoy the music please? Basically trying to make a complex question somewhat simple because basically people have their OWN opinions, Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:33:38 EDT From: Frederick.Wolf@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: re: europe Belgium also has Speedy J, not very 'Lords o acid' at all - fred - [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Sorry Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:36:14 MDT I was trying to counter Adam's attack against all of UK music. Not the fact that he doesn't spin UK music, but that he wrote it all off and stated that Detroit was king of techno. My statement about Belgium being all Lords of Acid, and Germany being all industrial Kraftwerk was a generalization. Yes, I realize there are exceptions to the rule. Oceanography in Germany put out one of the best ambient tracks I've heard whilst everyone around them did more of the same. However, given the choice of only one country to buy from I would pick England. This is in complete contradiction to what Adam X states about all the music from that country. Of course, what do I know? I just spin those shiny aluminum things and press buttons. I'll shutup now. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:36:41 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (sound formed in a vacuum) Subject: Re: From England to New England Are you referring to Tribal Techno? Lots of bongos and stuff? It's here... I think it's more set into San Fran than here, but ... It's here.. I really don't like it. I'm more of an acid/trance / hardcore person myself. (of course, only because I was a little industrial kid before a raver.) -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:47:32 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (sound formed in a vacuum) Subject: Bandwidth wastage, my opinion, LAST TIME. If you don't like what you're seeing ask for an unsubscription and don't clutter my mailbox with comments telling me what I should have on my list. This isn't really my list, people, it's your list. I'm getting annonyed. Other people are getting annoyed. People that only want to subscribe because they are leeching information about where raves are (i.e. rave o matic) are complaining to me because they don't want to hear discussions. Too bad. It's a package deal. If we had the disk space to set uup a calendar-only list we'd probably do it. The person who writes rave-o-matic is doing us a service. It takes time and effort to put it together. it takes time and effort to maintain ne-raves Both of us do it because we love raves, we love techno, and we love the scene. But, if people aren't apperciateing our time, we just get annonyed and don't feel like dealing with it. Realize that lots of things are being done for you for NOTHING. Don't complain. it's free. Peace, unity, it's all we want. Have Fun. Within the 64kb/sec digital phone lines connecting all of us together, there is more bandwidth than we can imagine. --------- -- John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 20:48 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: please don't invite more people to the party The size of the party at my house is getting out of hand, and I request the following of you all: DO NOT INVITE ANY MORE PEOPLE TO THE PARTY. If you've already asked me if you can bring some NON ne-ravers, and have told me how many you were bringing, and I said it was all right, that's fine. But NO MORE PLEASE. My apartment isn't that big! I don't have that much money! I don't want to have to deal with it! We can invite all our friends and friends of friends to the rave we will eventually have someday. This party was meant to be a gathering of ne-ravers, and since so many of you are driving great distances with carpools of non-ne-ravers, the travelling companions are of course welcomed with open arms. I'm 99% sure the cost at the door for the party will be $2/per person. Bring exact change if possible. Thanks, Laura (slowly going insane) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:09:53 EST Subject: Re: Europe yo, like, what about italy? (i'm biased, so sue me :)) i heard some stuff by Leo Anabaldi (sp?) on ZBC over the summer, and it KICKED. dave (djm), i know you have a lot of ZBC recorded. any new info on Leo, and/or other italian artists? i have the following on an ital comp: Lupo, Antico, Digital Boy, Sueno Latino, Space 1 ... if y'all can get it, look for _Techno_MixMix_ . (i got my copy in italy, but there might be places around here that carry it) it's a bit old (features "weekend" by DJ Dick), but the mixing of the songs is incredible. there are 20 songs, each on for about 1.5 minutes, all mixed through, with a million samples. absolutely beautiful. viva italia rave! :) seeeeee ya! donato :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:57:22 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Europe > Now about that TZ stuff --> could one of you guys give me some catalog > numbers, titles etc so I can go find it? Sounded quite yummy. The TZ records don't have titles. The catalog numbers are TZ1, TZ2, TZ3, TZ4, TZ5, TZ6, TZ7, TZ8 and TZ9. Although this sounds very mysterious and under- ground, TZ records are not that difficult to find. They get reviewed in DMR, and any 12" store that carries imports can probably get them. In general, the odd numbered records are better than the even numbered ones. Another amazing trippy/trancy/dubby stuff that is an absolute must-have is "Transient Truth" by One Dove. It has 4AD-ish female vocals on top of some very cool reggaeish Orb-like instrumentation. (It's on London Records, out of the UK, and the catalog number is either BOIX-10 or LC-7654.) Another excellent trance record is "The Mighty Ming" by Brother Love Dubs (on Stress Records, catalog number 12-STR-6, but recently picked up by RCA). (Don't expect Twitch mixes of any of this stuff. We've asked all of them, and they all declined.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:53:39 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: baggy people in pa... "new and better!" "quicker!" "more for less!!" "you couldn't ASK for a better bargain!!!" after some more people wanted to be listed and some other people had corrections, voila the new list... (see y'all at sputnik & laura's) in harrisburg (or close): sean leblanc at penn state univ. (harrisburg) sxl136@psuvm.psu.edu mike barnes at penn state univ. (university park) mab195@psuvm.psu.edu in pittsburgh (or close): michel battaglia at carnegie mellon mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu sean goller (dj wipeout/techno terrorists) at carnegie mellon wipeout+@cmu.edu jack faley at univ. of pitt johnf@unix.cis.pitt.edu damian higgins (dieselBoy) at univ. of pitt. damian@unix.cis.pitt.edu simon gatrall at carnegie mellon sglq+@andrew.cmu.edu in philadelphia (or close): yoram yifrah at drexel univ. uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu nina karp at bryn mawr college nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu nick ? at swarthmore college dammira1@c.swarthmore.edu adam weaver at univ. of delaware alw@ravel.udel.edu evan roth (dj trEE) at lehigh university epr0@lehigh.edu that's the list for now... e va n "ya know why they call him dj trEE?? cos he likes to CHOP the beats!!!"- dj geoffE on his radio show [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:39:09 -0700 From: Bryan L. Myers Subject: American Techno is still alive. Beltram, Moby, Underground Resistance sounded at the last rave. Besides is it in the spirit of rave to segregate ? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:46:13 -0400 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: What is Techno? >>Whats wrong with Sesame's Treet? >Whats wrong with it is that it basically has no musically-redeeming >qualities whatsoever. If you were to remove the Sesame Street sample, >all you would be left with is the break beat. What makes Techno music unique from other musics? For one thing It consist of mainly rythym and harmony. Melody is kept to a minimum. Usually the only melody found on the tracks are SAMPLES. So of course if you remove the Sesame Street sample the only thing left is the break beat. I'm not suggesting that producers should put more melody in there tracks. All that would do is is revert our music bck to mainstream and then there would be factions of Techno music,i.e.: Rock, Hip-hop, jazz, etc. What is wrong with having a track that is just breakkk beat. I've been to a lot of clubs were they would for a few minutes just play a break beat. This would often get more people moving and grooving on the dance floor. OPEN YOUR EYES: there is a lot of other things we could bicker about! Keep the underground strong! Wash/Balt is in the House!! Mike..... proton.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 10:22 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: PARTY INFO holy cow I can't believe this What the *heck* is happening? John was in Boston this week and a friend of a friend of his walked up to him in a club and said "Is something going on in Jersey before the Spuntnik rave? I hear there's a party or something." John, of course, was completely vague. THIS PARTY IS NOT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. IT'S A GATERHING OF NE-RAVERS IN MY APARTMENT FOR GOD'S SAKE. Therefore, be aware of the following: If you are not on the ne-raves mailing list or were not pre-approved by me as a guest of an ne-raver you are not coming in the front door of my building. I know this is harsh but I have like 50 confirmed guests and my living room is only like 350 square feet! There WILL be a door person for this party. In fact, I will be asking ne-ravers I already know personally to serve at the door for 15 minute shifts throughout the evening. This person will have a print out of the ne-raves mailing list and of the RSVP/guest list I've been keeping. The door person will also collect $2.00 per person to cover Taylor's and my expenses, and will be issuing directions to the rave and the ne-raves special suprise goodies to ne-ravers on the RSVP list. There will be NO ALCOHOL at my house, and smoking will ONLY be allowed on the back porch/yard. This party goes from 8.00 until about 11.00. After that we are kicking everyone out to go to the rave. Since Taylor, John, and I will need to sleep, there will be NO after-rave gathering back at my place. Thanks, Laura (totally freaked out now) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Laura's Rave! Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 8:54:45 MDT I've been handing out flyers for the Ravestock happening on Laura's farm and people are really getting excited. It is going to be cool to see Orb and Meat Beat Manifesto on one stage. Anyone know where I can get cheap plane tickets? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:25:26 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: What is Techno? > >>Whats wrong with Sesame's Treet? > >Whats wrong with it is that it basically has no musically-redeeming > >qualities whatsoever. If you were to remove the Sesame Street sample, > >all you would be left with is the break beat. > > What is wrong with having a track that is just breakkk beat. I've been to a lot > of clubs were they would for a few minutes just play a break beat. There's nothing wrong with grooving to simply drum tracks. As a matter of fact there is an entire EP called "PsychoDrum" on the OverKill label out of Germany that is just that. All drum tracks. While not breakbeat, and mostly groovy hardcore, it's interesting to see what can come about when you use *only* drum beats to make a song. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 12:54:31 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Techno around the globe > From pashdown@slack.sim.es.com Thu Oct 15 18:45:52 1992 > > My statement about Belgium being all Lords of Acid, and Germany being all > industrial Kraftwerk was a generalization. Yes, I realize there are > exceptions to the rule. Oceanography in Germany put out one of the best > ambient tracks I've heard whilst everyone around them did more of the same. > However, given the choice of only one country to buy from I would pick > England. This is in complete contradiction to what Adam X states about all > the music from that country. Just for the record, people, not necessarily in contrast to, but rather in addition to the number of good breakbeat/ambient projects coming from the UK, there is *so* much good acid/trance/hardcore coming out of Belgium, Italy, Rotterdam, and especially Germany right now. Just to name a few (find 'em if you can): (the following may be artists _from_ or simply _working on_ a label in the country specified) Germany: SeaTank, the Tracid Posse, the Cologne Acid Science Trax EP, Sven Voth(sp?), Desperation, Glitch, Mark N-R-G, Richie Hawtin, Exit 100 (Thomas Heckman), Space Cube, Spawn, Brain-E the Strong Heads, Missing Channel, Mental Overdrive, Equi-Tech Holland: Spasms Rotterdam: Tim Van Lidden U.S.: Underground Resistance which also includes side projects like H-Bomb, World Power Alliance and Dr. Kevorkian. THe Brooklyn Boyz like Repete are working on projects like Equinox with producer Damon Wild. THere's even some incredible acid coming out of Japan right now. Japan: Trance Media, Unghakoo (they're on the Pod label in Germany) The ACV label out of Rome, Italy Leo Anabaldi's "Raiders of the Future" EP Robert Armani is now working with Leo at ACV. With rare exception there's no such thing (so far) as UK acid/trance/hardcore. The breakbeat/ambient stuff coming from the UK is great too, but other than producers like the Aphex Twin, there ain't NO hardcore! (If anyone knows different, I'd love to hear about it) IMHO, the absolute best stuff (if you like groundbreaking acid/trance/hardcore) is coming from these places. Take the time. You *won't* be disappointed. Hardcore is not the only way, but it's *my* favorite :) dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 16-OCT-1992 12:49:03.67 From: TVANES@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Hmm... Well, I pulled up my mailfile today and found it way full (yay!) but a lot of the messages seemed to be everlastingly circular. so I have a comment or 2. First, I agree wholeheartedly with Laura's interpretation of the point of this list - to discuss techno/raves/dj's and things specifically interesting to ne(a loose definition) United States. If it's too much for some, then they can unsubscribe. I don't think it is worth it to have posts degenerate to the point where people are just trading disses back and forth, or complaining that they only want regional info, or whatever. Second: Everyone on this list has opinions - that is what makes this work. If A bashes B or B's opinions or something B likes, I suggest you let it go. You've got a right to defend your own views but recognize that they may not be intentionally trying to make you look bad. I think most of the people on this list have the right attitude, and want to make the technoworld better. This said, if you feel the need for attacks, go watch pres. Bush. #: about music, now, for that is the rhyme to our reason: I liked Smart E's song when I first heard it. What disappointed me was that there were a bunch of take-offs afterward. The same happened to o fortuna, and maybe with Charly. Certainly the "Who (is/killed/cares) (Elvis/James Brown/JFK)" strain points to this. I like techno for its originality - the things some people have thought of to do with this music is incredible! I don't care for forty songs that could be one song. I must agree, then, that the best stuff is coming out of Europe, and England in specific (although I am also partial to the Netherlands). $:so to everyone: keep up the interest! have fun with your styles! if this movement is about peace and unity, then we should do all we can to foster that right here. take it easy, now tasha (hades' accomplice) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:14:30 EDT From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: mail bouncing! From laura@usl.com Thu Oct 15 17:39:45 1992 Return-Path: Received: from silver.lcs.mit.edu by mcs.drexel.edu (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA28768; Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:39:41 EDT Received: from usl.usl.com by silver.lcs.mit.edu with SMTP id AA04205; Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:45:19 -0400 Message-Id: <9210152045.AA04205@silver.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:40 EDT From: laura@usl.com To: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu Subject: DELETE UNLESS YOU ARE AT DREXEL UNIV. Received: from usl by usl.com; Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:40 EDT Content-Type: text Content-Length: 292 Status: RO Sorry to waste list bandwidth, but I'm trying to get ahold of someone who's address looks something like uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu Your mail bounces. I need the name by which you like to be called so I can finish your badge for the ne-raves party. Drop me a line at laura@usl.com Laura Grr. Out mail-spool partion filled up! I couldn't send anything! Our school has a serious space problem, but I think someone on a different list ran into that "repeater" problem when you set up those auto-replies and it filled our mail spool :( Anyway, in case you don't get my other mail, I need some info on how to get to your house, and my friends name is Anand. Yoram Yifrah -- uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" -- Howard Beal, UBS Network News [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 11:54:50 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: What is Techno? > What makes Techno music unique from other musics? For one thing It consist > of mainly rythym and harmony. Melody is kept to a minimum. Usually the only > melody found on the tracks are SAMPLES. So of course if you remove the > Sesame Street sample the only thing left is the break beat. I can hardly think of any techno that is *only* samples plus a beat. Listen to "Tra La La" by Sonic Boom, which uses samples from the children's show Banana Splits (and suffers from the same at-first-it's-a-cool-novelty-but- you-tire-of-it-pretty-quickly syndrome that "Sesame's Treet" suffers from). The difference is that if you removed the Banana Splits samples from "Tra La La", what's left is an actual song, with actual drum programming, chords, counterpoints, etc. There's even a subliminal sample that says "bullshit". > I'm not suggesting that producers should put more melody in there tracks. I am. > All that would do is > is revert our music bck to mainstream and then there would be factions of > Techno music,i.e.: Rock, Hip-hop, jazz, etc. There already are factions of techno: hardcore, break-beat, trance, tribal, etc. This doesn't necessarily reflect factions in the people. I've been to raves where all of these styles have been played (by the same DJ, even). > What is wrong with having a track that is just break beat. I've been to a lot > of clubs were they would for a few minutes just play a break beat. This would > often get more people moving and grooving on the dance floor. Just personal taste, I guess. I like percussion that changes over time. I love good drum loops, but you need to add other percussion on top of them to keep them from getting boring. > OPEN YOUR EYES: there is a lot of other things we could bicker about! But this *is* neraves.... I guess we *could* be discussing abortion, but that's not what this list is here for. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 12:17:39 EDT From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Help Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I never got instructions on how to get to Laura's place. If anyone who's going could e-mail me with them, I would appreciate it ALOT! mail to: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1992 09:34:24 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: life after sputnik... i don't believe i am doing this, but yes, i am writing when i got home from sputnik ii. thanks, laura for the party-- it was really cool meeting all of you ne-raves people. you know, i sort of had this preconception that maybe you all were a bunch of computer geeks but i was really happy to see that that wasn't the case and i got to know a bunch of people. i mean, it was really cool. well, more on everything later- right now i am going to collapse onto my bed and lie there for an undetermined amount of time whilst the world continues to rattle along its tracks, pausing ever so often to jump off and go to a RAVE goodnight, e va n "ya know why they call him dj trEE?? cos he likes to CHOP the beats!!!"- dj geoffE on his radio show [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 10:05 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: YO YO YO! NE-RAVES in FULL EFFECT!! THANKS TO EVERYONE who made the trip out for the pre-Sputnik party! The Pittsburgh crowd (providing a fine DJ in Damian), the Lehigh crew (giving us yet another fine DJ with t r E E), to JoltHead for FLYING down on the TRUMP SHUTTLE so he wouldn't be late . . . to Rob and Gil and everyone from DC, for the UDEL pepople, for the DREXEL people, and to NINA from my alma mater Bryn Mawr, and to EVERYONE EVERYONE else who made the trip to make the party HAPPEN. EXTRA special thanks to JOHN for being *everything*, to DAVE for driving the Boston Posse down and loving us all, to ED for being our best roadie and most enthusiastic raver, to TAYLOR for being so creative with the ne-raves passes (logo by JOHN, diff grating concept by me), and BECCA for having fuschia hair. Much respect to JOHN for starting ne-raves in May, which provided the means for us all to REACH OUT and CONNECT, and to everyone who's gotten on the list and stayed on the list, making it all happen. I'm going to stop this message now because it's starting to look like an issue of Under One Sky (no disrespect to Chuck!!!) Love you all, Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: YA post-Sputnik Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 10:42:12 EDT So, whooda thunk that this could have ever have come out less than flawlessly? Despite pre-Pre-Rave-Ravette stress on the part of its organizers, this attendee can attest that same was unfounded. It all went off without a hitch, and in the light of day, Laura's apartment bears no evidence of having hosted 40+ people last night. Thanks yet again to Laura et al for the sheer effort, and the en- durance of the aforementinoed stress. As for the rave itself, see my previous comments in the collective message posted from Laura's account. A good time was indeed had by all. Now, as for the illusory world of work and school that I ex- punged long enough to spend a few days in true consciousness... -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 10:50 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: POST SPUTNIK TRIP REPORT After much amazing deep deep trance, we greet you before going off to bed. I've already said my thing, so here's what the Boston Posse has to say: Ravey dave is crashed out (already at 10:10) soooo I'll say hi for the boston people, who love Laura's cooking and Kinds of other things(thanx mom) Deb More intoxicating than the most potent narcotic. More omnipotent than any god yet conceived by humans. More peaceful than Zen meditation, yet more energetic than the collective universal conscience. I *like* this! Thanks to all those who opened the door to me! (Sorry, I get syrupy when I'm on this little sleep...) -Ed Laura adds something about needing to be in a deep trance... (Camper is raving, flat on his back, muttering something about Jane Fonda.) "It was cool. It tasted pretty good, too." -Becca (Camper's trying Tylenol.) "Nine-oh-nine Hahd Coah in da House!" -Taylor We just got done breezing through FSOL's _Accelerator_ at +2 on the 1200, it's breakfast time. 'Till next time, -The Remaining Few [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 18 Oct 1992 17:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: sputnik ii report phew. i'm finally home. it's about 5:30 on sunday evening. some substantial food has been placed in my tummy, i've showered and i'm ready to write down the wonderful memories from the past couple of days. thursday night: becca came down to visit me..sorta late..i picked her up at penn station and we walked around the city all night..becca's eyes googling over the city's coolness. she was in total amazement. it was fun...we went for lemon squares and other yummy treats and then thought sleep might be a good idea... friday: liquid sky..new purple hood shirts...new tunnel rave announcement! we met with laura, john, camper, dave...and the rest of the early crew at dojo's for some cheap and tasty veggie treats...we then piled into two cars.. laura..and ed and headed for laura's apartment to get ready... we got there...i took my first try at spinning some vinyl...though i may have annoyed some people.. it was great fun and i'm addikted now...1200's..1200's.. the party got hoppin not too long after that and it was great to see laura finally n-joi all the hard work she put into it...the party was crowded yet intimate and sort of mellow...i met the rest of the ne-ravers that were there.. damian..rob..everyone. it was a blast! 11 o'clock rolled around and we were all totally ready to rave away...we piled into more cars..ed being ever so grateful once again. ( did i mention that we used HIS 1200's and sound system? oh, and jughead FLEW IN from boston..) we got to the roller rink and the expected parking lot full of stripey hats and happy ravers...it was COLD outside so we thought we'd buy a pizza and sit in thecar to keep warm... (enjoy your concert kids..)... after finishing that up we got in line and it moved rather quickly and painlessly..except for the mob who wanted candy from us. inside: the place was BIG and spacious.. no claustrophobia here...they were still setting up when we got in.. the lights we are all and stuff... which was cool... you could sort of see everyone and familiarize yourself with the space...a bit later the lights went down and the crowd went crazy...unfortunately... this was the worst part of the night because the sound system at first was pretty bad.. it seems to improve as the night went along.. but it was sort of muddy and it was only directed to one spot...but, other than that.. no complaints yet... (god, i'm wasting all of your time here.. time to speed up the report..) the best things: the atmosphere was so HAPPY .. better than any other rave i've been to.. there were toys and smiles everywhere.. speaking of smiles.. ed was smiling BIG all night long.. and it made me happy to look over at him and see him so content.. the music was great...LOTS OF TRANCE!! plus a good mix of breakbeat and hard- koah...good dj's for the most part...great atmosphere...great great grea ne- ravers.. i love you all! no more time wasting.. i had a blast.. thanks everyone for showing up and making it work! >> one happy humanoid: taylor 808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 17:45:34 -0400 From: "Liquid Cooled Spherical Imaging" Subject: My two cents on Sputnik II I am now at work after arriving home two hours ago from my trip to NYC/Jersey. Wow. What a long trip! Ummmm...I had a really good time at Laura's. It was sooper phun to spin (I love to get a chance to spread the good breakbeat phlayvor around :). I agree with Evan's preconception of a "geek fest" and I must say that it was nothing of the sort. Everyone was extremely cool and personable. I was even somewhat shocked at Camper's blue hair and Beccas rave-gear. Quite a pleasing shock I must add. The rave was kickin'. Lenny Dee blew my mind with his quick beat matching and ultra-psyched attitude on the turntables. The guy is incredible. I thought that the old-style skating rink lights in the beginning were also extremely cool. I felt like a little kid again (completely). I got to meet a few cool deejayz not to mention a few people that I didnt have a chance to really talk to at the party (Becca, John, Chuck and Gil). What a bunch of great people you are! I even had the chance to bust a few moves when the breakbeat kicked in (and I was expecting only brooklyn hardcore too). The clothing that everyone was wearing made my jaw drop and wallet burn. After shopping for hours for clothes, it just made me want even more! AGGGGGGHHHHH! BTW Laura, tell JoltHead I am coming back to steal his hat ;) I can't wait to come back for some more rave action (maybe we'll meet up once again at Masquerave in DC?). I also can't wait for PowerRave 92 to start here in Pittsburgh on the 13th. Maybe some of you fearless ne-ravers will make the trek for da real stuph ;) I hope to do this all again soon. Nice meeting you all. If ya missed it, I feel for you. It was hype. dieselBoy PS : DJ Tree....I even enjoyed our chat in the parking lot. Nice van. PPS: To everyone who I talked to...I want to e-mail you. My address here at Pitt is damian@unix.cis.pitt.edu PPPS:I am so damn tired [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "Christopher Penrose" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 19:22:43 EDT Subject: Re: life after sputnik... Thanks Laura! The ravette was fun - I met some interesting people. I really appreciated the pixie sticks too! Christopher penrose@silvertone.princeton.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 22:23:10 -0400 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: Sputnik afterglow... and thanks to LAURA for having a neat apartment, trusting us all inside it, and being generally lovable. I had a simply wunnerful time, myself; totally different atmosphere than the Seattle raves I've been to. I loved meeting everyone, but I only remember every other name...faces and clothing I remember, names? not a chance. So if you're one of those people I really enjoyed meeting, mail me and tell me your name. :) All in all, I liked the smoke-lighting-bit, and being in the skating rink reminded me of Girl Scout outings. And there was a Whack-A-Mole. On the downside, I brought too much stuff, not enough money, and met the first real harrassing asshole I've met at a rave. Anyway, hugs to all (and to Chuck and Jane, with whom I shared a well-timed bagel. Or are those the wrong names? See? My brain is Marshmallow Fluff. I still have not slept.) Oh well, Nina. (the one with dark hair wearing the smiley face vest.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Flintstone & stuff From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (inhuman inhuman) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 92 22:33:22 EDT Well, I had a very disappointing Saturday night. After a very annoying experience meeting people to go to the Flintstone "deep underground" rave, I finally met everyone and got tickets. We spent forever trying to find it and finally got in the general vicinity around 2:30 or so . We parked the car around RFK (where the map said it supposedly was) and walked all around. We wound up wandering into a National Guard Ball and asking the doorman where flintstone was. haha... at any rate, we never found the damn thing. Did anyone? Did it actually happen? Was it busted? Was it just a big scam? Also, my $0.02 on Sesame's Treat: I don't like it because it's so simplistic. It's just not that interesting or inspring. I DO like O Fortuna a lot, though. Techno music needs to have a certain buildup and flux to it. If there's not a point in the song where I feel like moving in 10 directions at once, then it's no good. But that's just me... I like industrial/hardcore stuff more. I'm not into the happy house mood too much. On another note, I'd have to agree with Asher that I'd rather keep this mailing list to announcements of raves and post-rave discussions. I mean, I realize I have no right to request this or anything, but I also don't really like the "love it or leave it" attitude about this mailing list. Why can't we compromise somewhat? But I'm just babbling at this point... I would like to know if the Flintstone rave actually happened. It would be awful if it was just a scam. I don't mind losing $4 too much, but it would hurt attendance of future DC raves incredibly... --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "Find serenity in chaos, seek ye the eye of the hurricane." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 10:15:40 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (and she cried) Subject: Forewarded message from Bob... >From gajarsky@pilot.njin.net Sun Oct 18 22:22:07 1992 >From: Bob Gajarsky >To: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu >Subject: ne rave - can you forward this? >Message-Id: john - i can't remember the address (exactly) to the ne list, but can you forward this mesage there? thanks..- bob gaj ------------------------------------ hi. just thought i'd drop a line to thank everyone i met for a great time on saturday night, both in hoboken and in wayne. if i left someone out, sorry, but...hey, sorry. - the pittsburgh crew, including battaglia, dario, merle, and the funky hat. - the d.c. crew, including rob and gil. - ed, at at&t, who apparently i've "talked" to on here before. neat. - becca the doorperson. go go becca! and, debbie, and her cool hat. - the people who dj'ed at laura's, turning her safe, crime-free area (at least temporarily) into a great party zone. - jay, from mit? (*.wi.edu! i remember). - the random people from cincinnati we met on line. i was blown away - these people drove in from cincy, and were going to the village the next morning, and then going back. wow. - my passengers - that penrose dude from princeton, and nina from bryn mawr. oh, nina, a prescription receipt was left in my car. since i don't have your email address, contact me, and i'll get it back to you? thanks. - and, of course, john's cool laser show and laura, for hosting a great little shindig. tres cool. thanks again for a lot of fun! keep the spirit...- bob gaj (who was wearing a mickey mutation t-shirt)... === [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 9:22:45 -0400 (EDT) From: PUC@STARS.GSFC.NASA.GOV Subject: Flintstone & stuff Yes, Flintstone did happen and it was kind of hard to find once you parked as per instructions. It was way down through many parking lots at RFK under the (?) Pennsylvania Ave. overpass. But. Was it a 'happenning' rave? I can't say being it was my first. I suspect perhaps there are better examples of the Rave-ing-thing. Anyway. I had phun... anyone else that was there care to say what it was? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 11:21:46 -0400 From: The Hwyman Subject: Re: Flintstone & stuff >...at any rate, we never found the damn thing. Did anyone? Did it >actually happen? Was it busted? Was it just a big scam? A couple of people from UMd went. Well, it was actually four, including myself. As for the rave, it was advertised as prehistoric and that's what it was! It was held near RFK under an overpass. If anyone from the DC area knows, Saturday was COLD! (First negative) The people there (I believe there was 50 or less) didn't really look like RAVE types. At least they didn't dance like it...(second negative). The music was pretty good tho! Nice and loud. It was kinda hardcore for a while, but then it began to get too melodic. We were only there for about 45 mins. It seems that most of the people left around 2:30-2:45, when we weren't looking. So we left. One thing tho...when we were about 400 yards away from the overpass, we heard some loud whistles and the music stopped. I can only guess it got busted. Can someone confirm this? Hwy --- ____________________________________________________________________ ____ | /|\ Rain on the roadway, | | / \ thunder in the sky. | | / | \ ___ The light of day disappears | | / \ |MAX| from sight. | | / | \ |6 5| | | / \ | As the Road opens up in front | | / | \ | of my eyes. The only limitation | | / \| is in my mind. | | / | \ | | / \ -The Alarm | |-------------------------------------------------------------------- ----| | "The Hwyman" | "Only on after dark." | | hwyman@wam.umd.edu | -Outlaw Radio, 101 KLOL | |-------------------------------------------------------------------- ----| |4201 Centreville; College Park, MD 20742 phone: (301) 314-5447 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 12:36:13 EDT From: Dave Hardy Subject: Break beat? For those non-musician types among us, what is meant by the term "break beat?" Thanks. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:14:59 -0400 From: "Daniel A. Avery" Subject: Sesame's treat I bought the sesame's treat CD single. just because its commerical doesn't mean its not good. There's a [[[n its bad. I though the RAVE scene was about accepting, not dissing others. Besides, thesi des,there's an awesome 2nd cut on the CD thats worth the price of the whold disc.c [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:17:14 -0400 From: "Daniel A. Avery" Subject: Re: sesame's treat I replied to the whole Sesame's street mess before i saw that it was getting out of hand.t of hand.No more comments about that, but what does IMHO mean?? ---Dan-o [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:39:47 -0400 From: "Daniel A. Avery" Subject: Re: life after sputnik... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 14:50:36 -0400 From: "Daniel A. Avery" Subject: Re: sesame's treat I know you guys are sick of hearing replys abt SPUTNICK, but it was my first non-DC/Balto. rave and my third one all total. I jez want to say that it was f awesome. e some. The busride up to Wayne from DC was cool. I met alot of people from GW, M MD,Georgetown etc. The rest stop at Roy roger's was killer! SPUTNIK was unbelievablie vable!The musik was killer and the lights were amazing. I wasn't on anything, b, exexceptx cept caffeine and sugar, but everyone was really cool. Usuall in DC people gy, in DC, people give you attitude for not Xing or dropping. The chillout room was kind of lam-o but it WAS in a roller rink. I didn't get a chance to steal any skates though. The vi t. T he video games were a good way to relax after dancing. The busride back was good for catching zzoo d for catching zzz's and telling stories. I just wish i would have known who was therth ere was part of ne-rave. How about stickers or something? At the end, me and my y three buds decided on the car ride home that we were hopelessly in love with the e rave scene and we are strictly for the hardcore!! Thanx for listening. ----Dan-o (averyd.) ( we were taking everyone's pictures and giving out pixie stix) out pixie stix) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 15:13:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Break beat? break-beat: as in break-beat techno. ant: hardcore break beat techno is when the beat of the music is usually composed of syncopated drum beats. Many of these are sampled from rap music, which, in fact is based primarily on syncopated beats. A syncopated beat is one in which the emphasis is NOT on the first or third beat in the measure. Basically it's techno with a funky feel. not just BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM, beats. Gil "digital druid" cyberpun(k) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: sesame's treat From: aboulang@BBN.COM Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 15:49:10 EDT Daniel A. Avery writes: ... but it WAS in a roller rink. I didn't get a chance to steal any skates though. I love dance roller skating to techno and house (derived) material. Maybe it will become the gist to another dance roller skating revival. If you want to experience a good dance skating crowd, go to the Roxy in Manhattan (10 Ave & 18th st) on Wednesdays nights from 8-2AM. Dancing the night away on skates, Albert Boulanger aboulanger@bbn.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: donsterw@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: BOLD Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 16:23:18 EDT hi can anyone either post or send me info on BOLD i.e. tix, exact location, blah blah blah, etc. much obliged! donsterW [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 16:02:18 -0400 From: jetform!ajax (Andrew Jackson) Subject: SUBSCRIBE TO: NE-RAVES@SILVER.LES.MIT.EDU FROM: AJAX@JETFORM.UUCP SUBJECT: SUBSCRIBE I would greatly appreciate geing added to the mailing list for NE-RAVES. Once again, my address is: AJAX@JETFORM.UUCP I live in Ottawa, Ontario (CANADA) and tend to roam around on weekends, looking for raves (since there is no scene to speak of here in Ottawa!). Thanks again, AJAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:03:07 EDT From: salsbury@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Caterpillar Cannot Understand The Butterfly) Subject: Ravin' in Rochester, NY. This Saturday! Hey, all! Just got word of this one last Saturday at Heaven. If you're gonna be around, check it out! (Unfortunately, I'm going to be in Toronto for a friend's wedding reception, so I'll just HAVE TO MAKE DO with Chemistry, but I guess I'll be able to deal... *GRIN*) ******************************************************************************* Saturday, October 24th Heaven & Project X present... *************** *************** ***USA PARTY*** *************** *************** Base Station 138, Michael Alig, Ernie Glam and the Kids from Project X Magazine are looking for Rochester's MOST GLAMOROUS STARS. Be part of the Grand Opening of NYC's Most Anticipated Nightclub... ******* **USA** ******* [In letters much to big to reproduce here ...about 3/4" -Pat] Winners will receive Airfare & Admission to the Wildest Party NYC has ever seen! Judging based on overall FABULISM & GLAMOUR **CAN YOU WORK IT?** Dance to the Techno Trance Mix of: DJ Keoki of Micheal Alig's DISCO 2000 - Limelight & DV8 Live on Stage from Berlin, Germany... COSMIC BABY One of the Best Live Techno Shows EVER! All this, simply for being Outrageous, Wild, Sexy Gorgeous little You. Dress accordingly and RAVE ALL NIGHT! Doors open at 10pm HEAVEN 50 Liberty Pole Way, Rochester INFO: 716/262-3050 ******************************************************************************* [End of Flyer] FYI: Heaven is an old church, converted into a club, and it's friggin' HUUGE! Carved wood, statues, stained-glass windows, a 5-tiered balcony (with two smart bars on it), 12 *OTHER* bars in the place, and lotsa neat little rooms and passages all over! Also, a BITCHIN' lighting system, a full-spectrum laser show emanating from the eye in a pyramid (fnord) and a 40,000 watt sound system! Anyway, take the Thruway (90) towards Rochester. (East, if you're coming from Buffalo or Canada) Get off at exit 47, 46, or 45. 47 has NASTY construction, and I wouldn't recommend it on a full bladder. :) 46 is nice. Haven't tried 45. Go in towards Downtown, and follow signs to the "Inner Loop". That's this big loop that circles the whole Downtown area. You can go fast, and it's really twisty, like a good video game. :) Get off at the **University/East Main St.** exit, head towards downtown (it's a right, turn, I beleive) for about 6-8 blocks and look/ask for the "Liberty Pole." That's this HUGE sculpture of a pole about 150' tall that goes straight up and has a bunch of cables securing it. When you find that, park. Heaven is at 50 Liberty Pole Way, about 1/2 block from the Liberty Pole, and there will probably be a line/people out front. Take care, and have fun! Oh, and tell 'em I sent ya! I know a lot of the people that work there, and the co-owner of the place, so it couldn't hurt to show him that advertising on the Net DOES work! :) Pat Patrick G. Salsbury State University of NY @ Buffalo, USA SALSBURY@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Disclaimers are silly. ;^) Think for yourself. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 19 Oct 1992 17:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: breakbeat ..may i also ad that "breakbeat" rarely has a steady thumping kick drum..be it as blatant as the hardcore kick drum or not.. even a subtle 808 kick cannot be found in breakbeat...so, that makes it fairly identifiable... >> taylor 909 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:34 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Ravin' in Rochester, NY. This Saturday! salsbur@acsu.buffalo.edu posts a club flyer that says: [...] > Judging based on overall > FABULISM & GLAMOUR [...] > > Gorgeous little You. Dress accordingly and > RAVE ALL NIGHT! [...] I don't know about you all but I find this a little disturbing. Since when has fabulism and glamor had anything to do with raving? It seems to me that the promoter running this contest has little idea about the "leave your attitude behind / come as you are / everyone welcome" attitude of raving. When you start mixing superficial beauty/style contests in with the scene I feel you are destroying the scene itself. Heaven sounds like a beautiful club, I'm not knocking the place believe me, it's just when I see stuff like this on a flyer I feel like I'm reading something written by someone cashing in on the great popularity of techno and raving amongst those of club-going age, rather than by someone who is throwing a party in the spirt of peace and unity and the joy of the music and the dance. I wonder what club in NYC they are referring to? If it's the re-opening of the Tunnel then I am very upset . . . I was hoping the Tunnel would open as yet another rave-haven (like The Shelter [NASA] and the Thunderground) rather than yet another snotty velvet-roped club-kid infested New York Dance Palace. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Christopher J Chapman Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 18:15:24 EDT Please subscribe me [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 19:27:45 EDT From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: November Storm Rave For those of us jealous people who missed Sputnik II, does anyone one the date of the November Strom Rave? My friend in NYC told me it was on the 28th, but he wasn't sure. Ciamac. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 19 Oct 1992 19:40:05 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: NYU ravers in the past two days i've heard of two people from NYU on this list..but i've had trouble getting in touch with you...or hey, maybe you've just hacked NYU accounts and aren't even here at all...however, if you are around ... then drop me a line 'cos i go to NYU and it would be cool to get in touch and do the NASA thing or whatever... me: tod3253@acfcluster.nyu.edu ...oh yeah, apologies to the other 173 of you on this list that this message has nothing to do with...sorry to waste the bandwidth and your time! >> taylor 808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 20:03:23 -0400 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Flintstones O.K.- This message mostly goes out to all on the U.M. Ravelists and a few others that wrote in. Flintstones was FUN! Sorry to all who couldn't find it- it was kinda far into the boonies of RFK Parking Lot Hell. The scene was all the way cool though. The problem that most must have incontured was arriving too late. Action started promply at 12.00am. Music was loud for the surroundings- underneath a low bridge outside of RFK stadium. Smart bar and Fry bar(hotdogs,hamburgers,etc.;not N2O as hope) were available. Lights were kept to a minimum-5 or so spotlights. People brought flashlights, etc. to have fun with. Around 250 people were there, but unfortunetly, a lot started to leave around 1.15am. Why? I don't know. For those who did stay were able to see some of the greatest mixing around. For those who stayed to the last minute were able to witness a Tek-version of the movie juice. No- it did not get busted at the end. It simply died to where there was no point in going on with it. I believe myself and maybe 5 others were the only ones left dancing at the end. Note to everyone who thought it was lame: This event was what the scene was, and the way I remember it. Loud music, fun with dancing, and no commercialization. This guys didn't make any money, they did it because they like it. I hate to say it, but when the scene dies in a year ( and don't think it won't) and all the fad-followers go on to something else so that big money is no longer involved, this is what we are going to be: back to basics-pure energy. I think lasers and stuff are cool at raves, but it not or shouldn't be the focal point of the evening. If you want to see a cool laser show go to the Air and Space Muesum. U of Mer's look for a review in Fission Power part2. See everyone at Catastrophics' MasqueRave on Oct. 31. Hopefully the music will be a little more up-beat and EVERYONE will be DANCING, instead of the 5% that danced at the last one. TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 18:46:15 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Sputnik! Major thanks to Laura and Taylor for hosting the ne-raves ravette. Excellent. It was fun meeting all the ne-ravers. Now, I can place a person to the postings. What I believe made the party special was that people travelled from all parts of the east coast to go the party. When people relate the word UNITY with the rave culture... the ne-raves party is what they are talking about. Great vibe. I thought Sputnik II was a great rave. Skater's World was a imaginative space. Snack bar space to chill out. Lockers to put your backsack in when you got tired of carrying it. Finally, plenty of room to dance. I liked the variety of music from the DJ's. I thought Debo was the best, but I have a preference for happy techno. Scott Henry surprised me. He usually plays the hard stuff at the DC raves. I'm glad he's lightened up. It was certainly a welcome relief from the six hours of harDCore that's at the Washington raves. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Final Comments: What I liked best about Sputnik was the entire evening, which includes the pre-rave party, and the rave itself. Without the party, the long road trip might have not have been worthwhile. (However, the 4-hour trip was not as bad I a thought it would be). It was nice to go someplace, hang for a few hours with the ne-ravers, and then go raving. We should do it some more! - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 22:03:56 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu ('Til Tuesday) Subject: Re: sesame's treat I saw some people stealing stakes ( seeing as the rental was closed, it I wouldn't have wanted to skate around the mess, in the state I was in I'd have problems keeping my balance, never mind skating.. --John I hope the people returned the skates. It'd be a bad idea to tarnish the rave promoters reputation, or abuse the space (in this case the rink) just to have fun. The entire idea of raving is to leave a rave site the way you left it. not to steal, and not to destroy. You know, woodsy owl and all :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 22:12:12 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu ('Til Tuesday) Subject: Re: November Storm Rave There is no date set for the november storm rave... I work with the Storm rave people, and know this for a fact.. however, when the date is set , I'll post it ASAP, with the approiate flyer :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 19 Oct 1992 22:23:30 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: stealing..and raving john's right...not only should you not steal..but we should all really really make an attempt to help a little with the cleanup after a rave. my party was just as guilty as anyone else at sputnik.. we left after the lights went on.. (though, the DID tell us to get out).. but at the first quest in july, we stayeda bit and helped clean up. if ever given the chance (ie: not being thrown out right when the lights go on)...pitch in and help clean up.. it'll only lead to more legal raves and give ravers the reputation we're supposed to have as being happy and kind little souls.. wishing i were still there.. >> taylor 808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 19-OCT-1992 23:01:44.65 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: CT's first rave (cough) It was a pretty interesting Saturday here at Wesleyan University in Middletown, CT. I was not able to go to Sputnik II, but that was because I was djing what I guess you could call Connecticut's first rave... I'd be lenient about that tho. It was really fun actually. See, I and two or three other people are the only ones on a campus of about 3000 who give a shit about techno in any real way. But earlier this year I suggested to Eclectic, the "alternative" fraternity on campus about putting on a rave, and they were cool with it. "McRave" was born. It started at 10 PM and went on till 3AM. It started out really slow for the first hour-and-a-half, with a mediocre sized crowd mostly sitting around. But I turned the volume up which made it impossible to sit and talk, and then in the half-hour from 11.30 to midnite, it started to fill. By 12.30 my friends had showed up (the only non-Wesleyan people who could get in--this was more of a school event) and the thing was pumping. No really. I was incredibly surprised. I mean, I was playing a lot of hardocre ala Rotterdam stuff and Monotrax, Holographic, X-Crash, and the people *really liked it*. The dancing was rather poor, tho. Absolutely no raver-types from the school except the few aforementioned who were too fucked up to do anything. And what was even cooler was that this didn't end up as a "white" party like usually happens, but had plenty of the black students there too. It started to empty after 2.00 and my djing got really sloppy (I was running out of stuff almost totally). At 3.00AM it was done, with about 25-30 people still dancing... I finished it off with "Axiom" by Niko. Should've played "Stella" too, I suppose... ;) What was very cool was that we had three varieties of smart drinks which were 75 cents a glass, and there was also free beer with admission (a mere $3). At a usual party for eclectic (they always get 7 kegs) they run out of beer by 1 AM, but at this one they had two whole kegs left over at the end and instead sold all of their smart drinks! A real surprise... What was especially good about this was that a frat, Psi-U put on a party the same nite (after we had announced ours they announced theirs, with the words "The Choice Is Yours" on posters... Eclectic had a bad rep from some lame parties last year but this may have saved them) and very few people showed up. It was a great victory over the hordes of collegiate lameness. So I got paid $50, allowed 12 friends to groove to a great system for free, and djed my first time ever with two 1200s and didn't do badly at all, and introduced approx. 500 college students to their first rave culture experience. There may be hope for Connecticut yet. --Mr. Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1992 23:20:56 -0400 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Let me Refraim Sorry to all whom I may have offended. I just believe that raves aren't meant to be a big laser/light show. Catastrophic is a prime example of how people(trend followers) go to them and just stand around and inhale baloons and look at the bis laser and go "oooooooh, aaaaaaah." I don't mean to put down Catastrophic or lasers. I think Lieven, Chris, and the rest of the guys put on a truly neoron-expanding show. I am a fan of mind altering substances(N2O) also, but the scene is cool no matter what state of mind you're in. I didn't mean to make people angry by my views, but if we look into ourselves and ask "why do I go to raves?" we may find out something. If you say "I go because I like to look at pretty lights" or "I go because I like a good apmosphere to trip in" then I'm pretty sure I won't be seeing you in a year at a rave. If you say "I go because I think the scene is cool and I feel united with other tribe members" or "I go because there is a pure energy that can be found at a rave that can't be found anywhere else" then I'll be glad to hang with you next week at the next rave or next year when they'regoing on. And believe me, as long as there isn't a nuclear war, they will still be going on! They may not be overly-commercialized with $18 price tags, but they will be around. I have a feeling I'm going to be bashed for expressing the truth as I see it, so any support would be appreciated. I also have a plea for all ne-ravers: Please come to the Catastrophic MasqueRave on Oct.31. Show you're support for you're scene and come and change that 5% dancing crowd to a 100% DANCING CROWD!!! I'll be there and will enjoy visiting with everyone. From what I here from Gil (Cyberun(k)), you all are the greatest crowd to be with in N.J. TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Let me Refraim Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 1:00:24 EDT > I just believe that raves aren't meant to be a big laser/light show. It's a question of what comes first. Sputnik had killer lighting effects, and loads of other accoutrements, but I think it would have been as good a *rave* if it had been done by candlelight, because it was a rave first and everything else second. > If you say "I go because I think the scene is cool and I feel united > with other tribe members" or "I go because there is a pure energy that can be > found at a rave that can't be found anywhere else" I don't know that it can't be found anywhere else, since many cultures (tribes) have their ecstatic rituals, but I know *I* can't find it any- where else. What might have become our ecstatic rituals have been co- opted by other institutions (religion, the culture industry, etc.), just as raving can be co-opted by the mainstream club scene. > as long as there isn't a nuclear war, they will still be going on! Even after the apocalypse, it'll still be possible. Acoustic tribal and trance have been made for millenia. :-) I, for one, have had it with all the scenes I've been through (disco, punk, rockabilly, etc., etc.,) that either turned into or started out as giant pose-fests. But I have to take care not to get too jaded about it, or else the fear that raving could get taken over by the poseurs will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. We know what sorts we don't want at raves (drunkenness, negativity, anger), and as long as we keep it small and general like that, and as long as we're ready to keep the scene going no matter what, we're less likely to become poseurs ourselves. But we also can't afford witch-hunts. -Ed So why *did* I grin the whole night? Long, freaky answer available upon request. Good thing I have a competent spiritual adviser. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 09:29:20 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Oh So Many Questions Hi. I'm new subsriber to this mailing list. I have been reading and enjoying the mail with great interest for the last week or two. So for I have just been milking this group for info (special thanks to laura for putting together the rave-o-matic which is very very helpful). I have been into this kind of music for a while but mainly from a it has a nice beat and I can dance to it perspective; in other words i never really paid attention to who mixed what, etc. I would like to ask questions about different styles of rave/techno but before I waste peoples time (not bandwidth) I wanted to know if there was a FAQ of some sort in which I can read so I can get up to date real quick and participate in some of the discussions. As for Raves, I do have a few questions. The only rave i have been to has been at paradox in baltimore. I had a great time and the energy was amazing. I don't think that was on the same scale as some of the ones ive been reading about. What I liked about the crowd was that it was very mixed (front line assembly was the band that played before the dj started to play),and no one seemed to care to much about who was wearing what. However, one thing that I have always hated about the alternative scene is the PIB (people in black) attitude problem (In my opinion). What I wanted to know is what people considered a raver to be and if I walked in with jeans/tshirt or if I walked in wearing a tie or whatever, I would be presented with attitude. The same questions apply to substance use (on a PERSONAL level, I don't like to use drugs, although I do drink on occasion so I will call myself a hypocrite before anyone else does) because I have never found the need to use anything to help me go nuts dancing or whatever. If the attitude at raves are what I think they are like (which on a smaller scale was what I experienced at paradox), I think I will more than likely become a rave-a-holic. In any event, I plan on going to the masquerave in dc (btw does anyone know where in dc it will be held?) to enjoy the music. I just wanted some clarifications. Also, what exactly is a smart drink. I have read that it is laced with this and that but I imagine that the media is exagerrating. thanks hani [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 10:43:04 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Keep raves underground (was Re: Flintstones) > I think lasers and stuff are cool at raves, but it not > or shouldn't be the focal point of the evening. If you want to see a cool laser > show go to the Air and Space Muesum. U of Mer's look for a review in Fission > Power part2. This was exactly the problem I had at Sputnik II. In addition to too much glitz and glam (ie. too many lights, and video games? c'mon) the space was too polished. I don't like raves to look too much like a club. Know what I mean? My favorite raves so far, as far as location goes, have been Quest 2 and the 9/19 Storm. These were REAL warehouse raves. A good 'underground' space with minimal lighting to groove in. I guess I just like the more intimate locations with more emphasis on music and sound than lighting and how glamorous the space can be. Don't get me wrong, I like to play and Sputnik I & II were big playhouses, IHMO, but I just like the simple underground scene the way it was. MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC DANCE DANCE DANCE is what it's all about. Go ahead, flame me. :) My energy and intensity seems to get dispersed the more distractions there are. Granted my 'frame of mind' was one to be *easily* distracted, but keeping the focus on the groove instead of the glitz makes for a more enjoyable time. Keep the location warehousy, the lighting minimal, and the groove HARD. Now playing: Lenny Dee's new White label... magical hard trance :) dave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 11:15:17 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: re: Keeping Raves Underground djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon): > I guess I just like the more intimate locations with more emphasis on music > and sound than lighting and how glamorous the space can be. I have only been to the QUEST 2 rave (besides ones in clubs, ie. Loft). I wasn't disappointed with the atmosphere there, but always imagined raves to be "underground" in a *huge* warehouse with impressive lighting to *set* the atmosphere. Then, of course, there is the music, the people, etc. I realize that this may not always be the case. Was I totally wrong to picture all raves as I mentioned above? (I guess I should go to more and different raves... reading about them in this mailing list dwfinitely helps quite a bit!) ...two cents... CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 11:41:41 -0400 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: In response In response to you're many questions can be many answers. First, let me say welcome to the wonderful world of positive emotions. The "rave" scene strongly stresses that everyone be at harmony with themselves and with each other. Going along with this mind state you will understand that: No- it doesn't matter what you wear or how you look. A lot of people, myself included, CHOOSE to wear clothing, hats, etc. that are "rave-clothing",i.e. Fresh Jive, stocking caps, glow sticks, whistles, and Docs, because it stresses our unity. This dosen't mean that you have to go out and buy these things to be a part. Be yourself!! Do what makes YOU feel good in body and MIND! If you are presented with a attitude for what you are wearing- don't worry, those assholes don't have peace within themselves or else they wouldn't need to put down you for being you. Odds are they won't even be at the club the next week or at the next rave. I too seem to have difficulty understanding the PIB's(people in black). They just seem to be angry at the world or something. It's their business, however. The drug scene is very prevaleint at most clubs and raves. This is due to the fact that neuro-expanding, or "MIND" drugs(LSD, shrooms, eX) let you see the world as a place of peace. Since the entire scene is about harmony and peace, they seem to go together. Also, when groups of people are on the same drug, they seem to bond together as a unit. Alcohol is shunned at most raves because it tends to bring out hatred and conciet from people. How many parties have you gone to were people were pounding beers and shots and fights broke out? A lot? How many fights have I seen at the clubs,etc.? One. And that was some drunk asshole frat jock. The dissicion to use drugs is, again, a personal one. I haven't been to the Paradox yet(I'm a big fan of Club Orpheus in Baltimore). I here it has a feel close to the raves. You have to GO to a rave to UNDERSTAND what it is about. No club can duplicate the energy levels that a one-time warehouse or field event can produce. MasqueRave is being produced by Catastrophic. They never disclose the exact location untill you purchase your tickets. Tickets can be bought at Music Now International between 7th and 8th streets, on F street, N.W. I believe the cost of this one is going to be $15. Pretty steep, but when you see the technology they employ for audio and visual, you will understand. Also, a bus ride from the parking location to the rave is included and mandatory for secruity reasons. Catasrophic raves aren't neccesarily held in D.C. They have been in northern Virginia and as far north as Beltsville,MD (just a short two miles from MY HOUSE!!) As with most things the media probably was exagerrating when you heard that smart drinks were laced. They come in a varity of brand names, named by the bartender. They basically fruit juice for vitamins, amino acid powder, and ice to cool you down. When you dance for along time you tend to lose a lot of vitamins amino acids. Orange juice drinks seem to be the most popular. This is because you lose vitamin C fastest when dancing, and even faster when tripping. Hopr to see you around. I go to Orpheus every Sunday and almost every Friday. I'll definetly be at MasqueRave. TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 11:51:48 -0400 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: OOPS! forgot something! Forgot to tell you all somthing. Tickets for MasqueRave and likely all Catastrophic raves therafter, are only on sale the day of the event,i.e. Oct 31. You can reach Music Now International at (202) 638-3272. Thanks TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 12:11 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 20 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Wednesday, October 21 PROGENY 2.0 New York City (212) - 969 - 8957 Communion Presents -- Wed. Oct. 21 9PM Past, Present, and Future Collide at P R O G E N Y - V . 2 . 0 with T H E S H A M E N / U T A H S A I N T S / m o s e s o n a c i d Mr C (The Shamen) DJ Tim (Utah Saints) DJ Reese and Tony Fletcher continuing the live dance experience with a synergy between the most progressive live acts and the finest DJ's $15 Advance / $20 day of show. No service charge at Palladium Box Office. Outlet and Telephone orders are subject to a non-refundable Ticketmaster Service Charge. Phone Orders are subject to an additional per-order handling fee. Palladium 126 E 14th St. 212 473 7171 Communion Hotline: 212 969 8957 TickeTMaster -- J&R Music World * Bloomingdale's * Tower * HMV (212) 307 - 7171 (201) 507 - 8900 (914) 454 - 3388 (516) 888 - 9000 Produced in association with Metropolitan Entertainment ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23 BOLD II Worcester, MA Becca says: Worcester is gonna try it again with BOLD II October 23rd ! details will follow in time... [GEE BECCA, THE TIME IS NOW!!] [NOTE: I'VE HEARD THAT THIS RAVE WAS MOVED TO SATURDAY. I'M SORRY BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE DETAILS, AND BECCA IS OUT OF EMAIL CONTACT UNTIL FRIDAY. IF ANYONE KNOWS ANYTHING (CAMPER???) THEN PLEASE POST.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23 JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit (313) - 259 - 1533 (313) - 741 - HYPR (313) - 433 - 2129 (313) - 358 - 9882 From the Original Dance Music Promotors we present The ULTIMATE Dance Party Festival JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Friday October 23, 9PM-4AM KMS Records presents a dance concert to the extreme! Featuring these confirmed live acts & DJs in the Sci-Fi Techno-rave arena Live from NYC, the return of MOBY Detroit's Techno terrorists UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE Top rave act direct from England MANIX Plus BLAKE BAXTER Special guest DJ KEVIN SAUNDERSON of Inner City DJ's in the Sci-Fi Techno/rave arena D. Wynn * Magic Juan Atkins * Richie Rich Hawtin * Claude Young * Alan Oldham Inxomniak * Jeffrey Q & BMG Dj's in the Tribal "House" arena Alan Ester * Stacey Hale * Workkin' Mixx-Rick Wilhite Eddie Fashin' [sic] Fowlkes * DJ. Dangerous INTRODUCTION "For several years Detroit Dance artists have lead the way [....much propaganda deleted... -E] ...most amazing event in Michigan's history". THE EVENT We will be attempting to set a new record for the state of Michigan [....more propaganda deleted... -E ] ...Everything is 100% guaranteed!!!! ATTRACTIONS Multiple dance areanas, a 50K Martin sound system, intellibeam lighting, flower strobes, dance platform, glow in the dark whistles & necklaces, lasers, free ice pops, cash bar, restaurant on the premises, & a new look to The Majestic TICKETS $10. ADV. $10 in advance at Ticketmaster outlets $12.50 at the door, stringent security, free parking available, NOTE: Charter buses available from various campuses upon demand & will be coordinated by a campus rep. Call Information (313) 259-1553. Get your tickets early to avoid disappointment!!! A Reflection of the past... A view to the future sponsored & supported by: Record Time, Panic, Unity, VOOM, rave boy. Majestic * 4120 Woodward, Detroit Info lines: (313) 259-1553 * (313)741-HYP-R * (313) 433-2129 * (313) 358-9882 Directions: (313)833-9700 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23 WONKA Philadelphia (215) - 552 - 8833 Dead by Dawn brings you Wonka 2 Friday, Oct. 23 11pm until ? DJs X - LAX ATOMIZER GODDWILL MR. FUN and special guests Dead by Dawn brings you it's deepest & biggest Philadelphia underground rave yet! Two rooms, four d.j.'s + guests spinning hardcore techno all nite. Friday, Oct. 23, 11pm Drive, bus, train or bike to Philadelphia. Call for all info (215)-552-8833. Thirty thousand square feet of techno madness! Psychically soothing chill-out room by Delaware's Pro-Creators and Phaze One. The Oompa Loompas bring you bales of free wonka candy once again. Experience WonkaVison on our dual video screens. Juice and Smart Bar by Popi. Free Spring H2O! Visuals and lights by Applejack and Under. Call the Dead by Dawn rave line for info (24 hours) 215-552-8833 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 Detroit (no phone) NUDE NUDE every Saturday night 12:00 - ??? 1515 Broadway Fred says: This is where Derrick May had the Music Institute in the mid to late 80's. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 UNITY New York City (718) - 670 - 3652 The Mental Unity Tribe presents UNITY Saturday, Oct 24, 1992 -- 12:00 till Dawn Taking Over Your Mind N.Y.C. RAVE DJ's Frankie Bones Mario Genovese Jimmy Crash Heather Heather also with RAVE MC Tommy Dugo Donation $8.00 (to get the party going) For tickets and information please call the Hot Line (718)-670-3652 Your hosts: Joe, Nicole, Mickey, Steve, Damion, Dave, Steve, Andre` Strictly HardCore and most of all Totally Underground ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 PUREX Nashville, TN (901) - 763 - 8064 (615) - 780 - 3730 Saturday October 24 - 10 pm soundshock presents "Purex" your fierce dj hosts rick phifer and graflin with special guest djs the mighty o'die from memphis chip b. and chek from nashville new larger location more thumpin bass for your face retina scorching light show 8 hours of pure energy 100% hardcore techno smart bar dumb bar vendor booths rave clothes and accessories huge chill-out room live performances by soundshock and fresh technojive artist anode $10 w/invite $12 without info 901-763-8064 or 615-780-3730 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 LOST IN SPACE Toronto (416) - 924 - 4625 chemistry productions presents / LOST IN SPACE / saturday october 24th The Story So Far ... Chemistry touched down in Toronto at the end of last year with our first rave attended by less than 200 curious and frostbitten party goers. Since then the vibe has grown and the culmination of our dreams and efforts came in July when our fifth event, Planet Rave 92, pulled 2500 like minded ravers together for the largest ever outdoor dance gathering to take place north of the border. That night proved beyond doubt that there is a wicked rave scene growing in Toronto and since then we've spent the last two months planning the sequel, holding back till we felt the scene was ready for it. We now feel it is and we proudly present "Lost In Space," our wildest adventure yet. With this event we're going to take raves into a new dimension. It'snot about who has the best lighting, the craziest attractions, or the most powerful soundsystem (although we usually do!) -- it's about atmosphere. Atmosphere is created by the peole who go and Chemistry ravers are unique, in that they know how to parteee! So this time we're gonna make all your dreams come true by taking a venue and transforming it into the ULTIMATE RAVE ENVIRONMENT. Raves are fast becoming the single biggest movement in youth culture of all time, allowing everyone from all walks of life to unitein a common love of dance music, breaking down the barriers of racial and social ignorance and above all having a wicked time! _We believe this to be the true meaning of raves._ So remember Chemistry is about positivity, progresssion, harmony, and fun. If you don't believ in these values, stay at home, because you won't be welcome at a Chemistry rave. Peace, Alx & Charly THE NAVIGATORS Eon -- "For the next hour sit quietly and we will controll all that you see and hear." Taking control of the soundsystem will be our special guest DJ from the UK - EON. Creator of the rave anthems "Spice" and "Basket Case," he'll be flying in to Canada for the first time and touching down with the latest in UK rave tunes. (Forthcoming single "What is Music?" & album _The Void Dweller_ on Columbia Records.) "The spice _will_ flow." Mr. C from the SHAMEN -- Also fresh in from the UK where the Shamen have just hit #1 with their new track "Ebeneezer Goode" (Eez are goode, Eez are good), will be our special guest MC & DJ Mr C. Guaranteed to tear up the turntables & terrorize the mike, Mr C's making a long awaited return to Toronto for the first time since Chemistry 2. "Let your soul & your body & your mind be free." Chameleon -- Chameleon are the resident Chemistry techno performers had have rocked the crowd at our last two raves. With some brand new material never heard before plus of course the Planet Rave classics, Chameleon's fast becoming a force to be reckoned with. Moby & 808 State beware! The future is here. THE FLIGHT CONTROLLERS Alx of London -- DJ/Promoter of Chemistry, Alx has been DJ'ing for 7 years, playing clubs & raves from London to Paris to New York. Current Style: Progressive house & rave Favorite Clubs: Mud Club (London '87), Clink Street (London '89), Sound Factory (N.Y.) Loves: Poutine, PG tips & mellow people. Hates: Air India, Bryan Adams & ignorance. Wants: A 7-11 delivery service. Dr. No -- Undoubtedly the best techno DJ in Canada and one of the slickest mixers around, the Dr. has spun at every Chemistry rave so far. Current Style: Hardcore & jungle Home is: London, E8. Smokes: Too much. Drinks: Not enough. Most Respected DJ: Malik X Favorite Label: Ibiza, mostly whites "A Place Called Bliss" -- Introducing for the first time at Chemistry, the freshest and wickedest DJ you'll ever hear. Exclusive to Chemistry, "A Place Called Bliss" is just that. An outer body experience. Current Style: Trance & ambient. Favorite Group: Model 500. Favorite Label: Stealth. Likes: Numark mixers, Naomi, & jerk chicken. Dislikes: Stupid people. L O S T I N S P A C E Saturday October 24th 1992 * Lift Off at 11 pm Lost In Space is our most ambitious rave yet. As always we've secured the best in sound and lighting technology to take you on the ultimate trip. Instead of listing all the attractions we're going to have, we're keeping that all a suprise this time. Just remember, Chemistry always delivers the goods and this rave will be no exception. Don't miss it for the world. Special Guest DJ's from the UK -- EON and MR C Turntable Technicians -- Alx of London, Dr No, & "A Place Called Bliss" Acts on the Night -- Chameleon, Aztec Voyedge, plus a special suprise guest WARNING!!! Chemistry raves are peaceful events for peaceful people. As such we reserve the right to refuse admission to troublemakers. Any weapons found on the night will be handed over to the police, so save yourself the hassle and leave them and your attitude at home. You have been warned!!! TICKETS We strongly suggest you obtain your tickets for this event in advance. It's cheaper and will save you time on the night. Our ticket price reflects the much higher overheads for this event and we guarantee you value for your money. Please vear in mind an event of this kind in the UK costs double this. HOTLINE For the latest info, ring the Chemistry crave-a-rave hotline on (416) - 351 - 0911 24 hours a day, recorded details. ESSENTIAL DATA FOR A RAVE WORLD Chemistry is run by a small group of people dedicated to the progress of understanding, having a f**king good time and peace in the cosmos. But we are only part of the big picture. Rave organisations are springing up across the world from LA to Sydney, New York to Rimmini, and Detroit to Goa. Much closer to home we have our own rave scene growin all the time. So support the cause, stay peaceful and have a laugh -- we are. Fellow Rave Organisations -- Adrenaline -- 369-9299 Exodus -- flyers Mayhem -- 631-4738 Nitrous -- 760-3185 Radio Shows to Listen To -- Hard Drive 89.5 FM -- Sunday 4-6 pm. DJ James St. Bass. Progressive Dance and Techno. Noise Factory 105.5 FM -- Sunday 11pm-2am. DJ's Tony Rizzuto, Pat, and Sid. Industrial and Techno. CKLN 88.1 FM -- Friday midnight to 6am. DJ's Peter, Tyrone & Shams. House & Grooves. In Toronto Check Out -- Rural Clothing -- ravewear (242 Queen E.) Play de Record -- latest imports (357 Yonge) Courage My Love -- accessories fora mellow life (14 Kensington Ave) The Factory -- reliable as ever (19 Mercer) On Your Travels -- LONDON -- Spiral Tribe (respect), Universe, Raindance, Camden Market (sundays), Astoria, The Fridge, Knowledge, Pirate radio & monster munch. NEW YORK -- Storm raves, Sputnik raves, The Limelight, Sound Factory, Groove records, Liquid Sky & cheap vitamins. L.A. -- PawPaw patch, Tef, Daven the Madhatter, Happy Wednesdays, Citrusonic, Doc Martin's after hours & coffee and sushi. Design, concept & layout by Alx, Charly & Terry at Telepathic Vis.Comm. (667-9664). The shouts & respects bit: Sidney, Mychol, Chas, Nicky Tweak, Pat (you foot stomper you), Heather (N.Y.), Miss Thangs everywhere, Rochester (part II) posse, Iron balls McGinty & all the intrepid ravers . . . HOW TO GET THERE The venue is indoors and downtown. The final location is a closely guarded secret and will not be revealed to _anyone_ -- so don't ask! The adventure begins at the meeting point which is outside the front of Union Station and it will be active from 10.30 pm onwards on the night. As always, a shuttle bus service will be running for those without transport. At the time of printing there is a small possibility this could be our last event in Toronto for some time, so don't miss out. Whatever happens, rave on in peace. -- The organisers. TICKET INFORMATION Advance tickets go on sale Monday, October 5th. Ticket price is $15 ($20 on the door). Tickets are available through Ticketmaster or from one of the official Chemistry ticket outlest listed below. If you have any queries or problems, call us at the Chemistry office on (416) - 924 - 4625. Ticketmaster: There are over 60 Ticketmaster outlets in Southern Ontario alone and tickets can be purchased either in person or over the phone by credit card. For credit card bookings in information on the Ticketmaster location nearest you, call (416) - 870 - 8000. Tickets purchased over the phone will be available for pickup at the door on the night. A booking fee applies. Official Chemistry Ticket Outlets: Toronto -- Play de Record, 357a Yonge St. (416) -586-0380 Rural Clothing, 242 Queen St. E. (416) - 368 - 6954 Woodbridge -- Fresh Records, 140 Woodbridge Av. (416) - 856 -5052 Kitchener -- Dr. Disc, 146 King St. W. (519) - 743 - 8315 Hamilton -- Dr. Disc, 20 Wilson St. (416) - 523 - 1010 Oshawa -- Record Buyer, 785 Albert St. (416) - 579 - 2447 Rochester -- Record Archive, 1394 Mt. Hope Ave. (716) - 473 - 3829 New York City -- Liquid Sky, 482 Broome St. (212) - 431 - 5369 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 Catastrophic's M A S Q U E R A V E Sat. October 31st Tribal Trance Don't forget your costume! 12 Hour Rave 10pm to 10am Cover $15.00 Line Up - Main Room and Chillout Area: Scott Henry - DC Suz-E Cyclone - DC Nate - DC LG - Balt Bobble - Balt Wink - Philly Debo - Boston Onionz - L.I. Micro - L.I. Dante - L.I. James Christian - L.I. Jimmy Crash - Brooklyn Adam X - Brooklyn Repete - Manhatten Guest DJ's -- Mac De Hey (Holland), Jean Phileppe (Tribal Set) Live Performance by MERJE TICKET INFO: Tickets will be sold at Music Now, 806 F St. NW (Phone: 202-638-3272) from Monday 10/26 through Friday 10/30, and Saturday 10/31 from 4pm to 2 am. GENERAL INFO: 703 - 971 - 4555 Catastropic's Largest LIght and Sound Production -- Intellabeams * Emulators * Colorpros * Dataflash * Visuals by I-Beam Wizard Michael Meacham. Special Thanks To: All the Catastrophic Kids and everyone who makes it a reality! BUSS TRIPS: Manhatten -- Nicke & Papa - 917-986-5970 Long Island -- Liz, Bea & Laura - 516-968-8342 Boston -- Mindwarp - 617-266-1987 Pittsburgh -- Turbozen (Dario) - 412-621-7759 Philadelphia -- 215-592-8481 New Jersey -- Michael & Chressy - 908-727-6527 Speed Raver & Raver X - 703 - 971 - 4555 Upcoming Raves: Nov. 28th & New Year's Eve Rave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 LIFE Boston (617) - 266 - 1987 nov 7th-warehouse rave in boston 80,000 watts smart bar etc. DJ's ---- debo (boston / venus / axis) onionz (new york / caffiene / thunderground) micro (long island / caffiene / thunderground) wink (philadelphia) dave the wave (new haven / bar) repete (new york / limelight) scott henry mac dehay(belgium) mayhem (boston / the loft) tim ryan mr. cleen (new york / primal) dave trance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 POWER-RAVE 92 Pittsburgh, PA (412) - 621 - 7759 Turbo Zen Records Presents P O W E R R A V E 9 2 Friday, November 13, 1992 -- 11 PM to 5 AM $8 Advance Tickets -- $10 at the Door Tickets Available at: Turbo Zen Records / 128 Oakland Ave. / 3rd Floor 412-621-7759 INFO-LINE 412-213-3001 FAX FOR YOU PLEASURE * Multi-flavored Smart Bar * Phree 3-D LaserRave glasses with every advance purchase! * Conciousness altering visual-spacial environment manipulation * Special treets and toyz for the good girls and boys! * Tuff bass ballistics to put the boom in yer juice! * Candyloop ravewear by React * 100% Extra-sweetend vibe 1) Richie Hawtin (Plus 8 Records / Detroit) 2) Adam X -- Heather Heather (Storm Underground / NYC) 3) Rob Sherwood (Underground News / Cleveland) 4) DJ Deadly Buda -- dieselBoy -- Kris Kersey (Turbo Zen Records / Pittsburgh) Performing LIVE! F.U.S.E. (and) Cybersonik Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania // Complete Mental Breakdown EXTRA: Maps available at Turbo Zen records or by calling info-line. No alcohol & no attitude Rave Site: Ardmore Roller Palace, 2400 Ardmore Blvd, East Pittsburgh Brought to you by the kind folks at TeeZee collective Sooper React Storm Rave Plus 8 Records Baba Klub TZ Records Under One Sky Fabulous Records Underground News ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 DEF CON ONE Washington, DC. DEF CON ONE 1 Fryday the 13th November Washington, DC Do you feel lucky? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late November (sometime) STORM RAVE New York ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 12:16 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue oct 20 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Techno Clubs (if you have more to add please let me know): Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard Baltimore -- Thurs. Paradox (Orbit -- these every other week) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Detroit -- Sat. NUDE New Haven -- Sat. Bar New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight Peace (Acid House) Insomniacs [Queens] Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond (215) - 592 - 8481 Pittsburgh -- Sun. Metropol Providence -- Sun. Club Babyhead Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn Wed. Vault Thurs. Tracks Fri. Roxy Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Wednesday, October 21 PROGENY 2.0 New York City (212) - 969 - 8957 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23 BOLD II Worcester, MA JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit (313) - 259 - 1533 (313) - 741 - HYPR (313) - 433 - 2129 WONKA Philadelphia (215) - 552 - 8833 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 24 Detroit (no phone) NUDE UNITY New York City (718) - 670 - 3652 PUREX Nashville, TN (901) - 763 - 8064 (615) - 780 - 3730 LOST IN SPACE Toronto (416) - 924 - 4625 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 LIFE Boston (617) - 266 - 1987 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 POWER-RAVE 92 Pittsburgh, PA (412) - 621 - 7759 DEF CON 1 Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late November (sometime) STORM RAVE New York ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20 Oct 1992 12:53:51 -0400 (EDT) From: p r u n e Subject: Heaven's USA Super Poseurave From: IN%"laura@usl.com" 19-OCT-1992 17:46:33.45 salsbur@acsu.buffalo.edu posts a club flyer that says: [...] >> Judging based on overall >> FABULISM & GLAMOUR [...] >> Gorgeous little You. Dress accordingly and >> RAVE ALL NIGHT! [...] >I don't know about you all but I find this a little disturbing. Since >when has fabulism and glamor had anything to do with raving? Wonderful point, Laura. Oddly enough, I got a copy of the forementioned flyer @ a party held @ the house of a friend who's trying to put together animated trip videos for use in clubs. The funny thing was that I ended up spending less money than I would've @ Heaven, and ended up having a better time. It's that intimacy factor that did it for me. Looks like Rochester's ready for a raving underground, but no one wants to risk the investment quite yet. Therefore, we end up putting up with the same old pseudo-rave clubby bullshit. >Heaven sounds like a beautiful club, I'm not knocking the place believe me, >it's just when I see stuff like this on a flyer I feel like I'm reading >something written by someone cashing in on the great popularity of techno >and raving amongst those of club-going age, rather than by someone who >is throwing a party in the spirt of peace and unity and the joy of the >music and the dance. Believe me, Heaven's a great _club_, but it is a club, and I did feel funny about what you've mentioned for pretty much the same reasons. So how bout it, Rochestah? Anyone in the area interested in something deeper than the colors of Heaven's megawatt laser show? p r u n e RIT Roch. NY, home of Kodak, Jolt Cola, and many other artificial chemical substances. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 14:02:49 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: ...still more on the underground subject... cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (...something...lava's...something something...) > As raves become more common, and more people go to them, will it still > be the same? Will we still want to go? What will come next, if we > get tired of it? As long as techno and the rave thing has been around (a couple of years?), I am starting to get into this. Sort of a "If you can beat 'em, JOIN 'em." Although, I have to admit, I still get sick of the music (only in large doses), but I am getting better about this... Ahhh, here comes the flames! The music and the scene better stay around (for a while at least)... Do you really think its a fad? CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 14:34:42 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: re: Keeping Raves Underground >From cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu Tue Oct 20 13:37:59 1992: > strikes me that the "keep it quiet so fratboys don't show up" attitude > (while having a lot of validity) might be the old "this is our club > and you can't join cos we don't like you" attitude in different > clothing. My opinion on this one is that I'd love to have *everyone* that wants to be there REALLY want to BE there, for the scene, the people and the one thing that bonds it all so tightly and emotionally together, the MUSIC. I hope I don't come across like "stay out of 'our' scene', and I don't think I do, but I really like to rave with people that feel passionately about the music. The energy, and good vibes and intesity is much more there when you have 50 *or* 5000 people there who genuinly love the music and the scene. Sorry to be a name caller, but drunken frat jocks don't exactly fill the warehouse with peace and unity. Ravers come from all walks of life and are every size, shape, color, etc... If you share the common theme of peace and unity and a love for the music and the dance, I personally welcome the new and curious all the way to the people who are literally drugged by the music itself (like me ;)). > special and it makes us all feel like we're part of something special. > As raves become more common, and more people go to them, will it still > be the same? Will we still want to go? What will come next, if we > get tired of it? As long as the music and the people stay dynamic and interesting and there's always a good attitude there's no telling how long this can last... SoapBox: The fact that something becomes 'mainstream' isn't the problem. The problem comes from the influences of being *in* the 'mainstream'. If this scene gets too popular it will just become another cog in the pop culture industry, run by money-hungry record company execs and swarming with 'I'm so cool, I'm a raver' poseurs who could care less about peace, love, unity or the music for that matter. Like most things that are 'capitalized' on, it will get trashed. It's important that the ravers, the people that genuinely love the scene, keep it underground. dave -- |~) | | / | | -FOR FUHRER '92- || "Very strange as if in a dream..." |/ | | \/\ |_| Better Living through || (Disintegrator EP) - Lenny Dee |\ | | \/\ | | Sedation... || Hardcore isn't the only way, but it |_) |_| / | | Vote Bush/Qualee '92 || is my way. ;) Rave on... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 14:36:32 -0400 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: A fad? When I was introduced to my first club over a year ago, I was totally amazed. I had so much fun there(Orpheus,Baltimore). I didn't understand the music, and thought that it was "dance" music. I didn't know that people actually listen to it outside of the club. As I went more I got more and more used to it. It wasn't untill I went to live at the beach for this past summer that I understood how mauch fun I had at the clubs and raves. Being away for 3 months made me understand that I required that energy. During the summer I bought techno cd's to listen to. I bought more and more and more....my collection of 100+ cd's consist of 20+ techno cd's now..and those 20+ are the only ones I listen to. So yea, I would get sick of large doses of techno at first, but now I can't live without it. Is it just a fad with you? It may be. The scene hasn't been around long enough for anyone to say its not a fad for them. I believe it will be a part of me for the rest of my life. But, we just have to see. I believe techno is a trend now, and will be for the near future, for mainstream trend-followers. You can see this by techno music in commercials and top 40 radio. Expect to see more. The true followers of the Meaning know who they are. Don't let the scene die like disco did after 5 years. It must be a part of you're life for keeps. Cover you're heads for a trend explosion if John Travolta comes out with a techno version of the Fever. Just kidding though. Lets hope Hollywood stays out of our business. LIVE FEEL LOVE UNITE FREEDOM FOREVER TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: ...still more on the underground subject... Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 15:16:23 MDT > > As raves become more common, and more people go to them, will it still > > be the same? Will we still want to go? What will come next, if we > > get tired of it? Take a tip from LA where the enormous raves have all but disappeared. Sometimes they still happen, but they are extremely commercial. Now the best "things" (I'm reluctant to label them raves) are underground clubs. Small, hard to find, and minimal technology. Just really good music. England is doing the same thing because of the government crack downs. > As long as techno and the rave thing has been around (a couple of years?), > I am starting to get into this. Sort of a "If you can beat 'em, JOIN 'em." > Although, I have to admit, I still get sick of the music (only in large > doses), but I am getting better about this... Ahhh, here comes the flames! I think anyone can get sick of the music if it is a poor DJ. A club here has a techno night every week and everyone I talk to tells me they are so tired of the same stuff week after week with one or two new introductions. I went to a very commercial, high-above-ground "rave" here this last weekend and it was just pathetic to listen to. "Free Your Body", "Who Killed JFK", and yes, even "James Brown is Dead" were played TWICE during the night. The real lowpoint was when NIN's "Down In It" came wafting over the speakers. > The music and the scene better stay around (for a while at least)... Do > you really think its a fad? Every bit of pop culture is a fad. Have you ever seen anything that has lasted more than two years in it's purest form? Sure I'm cynical, but I doubt I'll have the interest in putting on raves in another year or so. I'm experiencing a good deal of success with them right now, but my only concern is how I can push them farther underground. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 16:37:16 -0400 Subject: commercial raves First of all this list sure is getting heavy use..wow!! I would like to give some of you an idea of not so much the commercialization of raves, but the perversion of it. It was interesting that some of you noted that Sputnik II had really good effects. Well I am used to the catastrophic raves, and let me tell you, I was frankly unimpressed...the lights and all seemed very low-key to me. I will never get over the energy level though...that can't be beat, which in my own opinion is the most important aspect of a rave. Here at UofM, more and more people are spreading the word about raves, and are joining our list. I don't mean to sound like a purest (I guess I am though), but many of these people don't belong. we're not going to say no to them though. These people will eventually give us that familiar message: please remove me from the list!!! Back to the other subject (I'm jumping around here). Lights and effects are a big part of the rave scene, but people should supply most of them. I was really taken up y proton's description of the flintstoneII rave here where it was just everyone's stuff. It's that people bring the effects and that all the promoters do is get a warehouse and a DJ that should be raves. And all that we see here in DC is $15+ raves. It was really cool to me that sputnik was only $13. I like the idea of lots of mini/microraves all over the place. It's a great vibe when you are dancing with 1000 other people, but they are every week or so. conclusion: yes, this large ravescenewill die out. I think the promoters with the true rave spirit will scale down their raves immensly, either that or they will get greedy and do it for the money only. I know though that I am not in it for a 'scene' but more for what raving does to me on a personal level. I don't know where this leaves me. topic change: has anyone every interviewed any of the big rave promoters on a radio show or something? I was thinking about doing it here at our radio station (WMUC...with a boomin' 10 watts). Any ideas of questions to ask? DO you think that they would be opposed? oh well.. blessed be and rave on, Gil "digital druid" cyberpun(k) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 14:12:35 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: A fad? > Cover you're heads for a trend explosion if John Travolta comes out with a > techno version of the Fever. Messiah recently released a techno version of Donna Summer's "I Feel Love". What's next? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 23:09:41 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (strange tails, scribbled in cuneiform) Subject: Re: Let me Refraim Oh, tell us why you grinned the entire night... we'd love to know.. :) I go to raves to be with my friends and meet new people. end of story. no new-agey crap here. I just love my friends. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 23:22:24 EST Subject: re: Keeping Raves Underground well, since BOLD II is taking place in wormTown, punkTown,worcester or whatever you wanna call it... i'll be there! see, worcester is very hardcore, as in Henry Rollins. who wants to transform it into hardcore rave?!! dave? :) see y'all there!! that is, if the info is ever posted. i guess you light guys would know ... :) peace, funk and a bassy face, donato [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 23:22:40 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (strange tails, scribbled in cuneiform) Subject: Late but , effective.. This is the first time I've gotten to a decent terminal since sputnik, and I'm not even home yet... everyone who was at Laura's party attacked my laptop and filled it with some wonderful babblings... Here they are, uncut and unedited! Nice meeting you all.. :) NE-RAVES! Feel free to type on this, just don't erase what others have written! --------------------------------------------------------------------- 808's here! Hiya...cool lasers, kickin' music -->digital druid laura's the best for doing this!! ` ` XerO gravity is coming so HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS Storm the Reality Studio now!!! --Nedo ...fumbling fingers, limp on a c-deck.. The Pittsburgh Crew(a.k.a. the Tee-Zee Collective) is in the house! Power Rave!!!! (The Lights, The Vibe, The Sound) Kick'in in 92' e va n & crazy kris. I can't believe there are all these ravers in my house! Oh my god! Thanks for coming everyone!! laur - you knew i couldn't avoid the party in your house - finally! kudos to you - bob gaj Okay, so it was a joke, but hey, i've started a crazy thing. HAAAAAHHHHD CCCOOOOAAAHHHHHHHH someday i shall have working hands again.... wahh, nina. the lasers themselves are a definite reason for coming all this way......SLAMMIN'!----Mike ^^Thank you thank you! Glad I built them! -jna breakbeat!!!! thanx damian (bootup, log in, drop out. keep me away from this machine. --nina) "eyes open wide, slipping inside interface backdrop netprop joyride floating downstream lost in a bistresm sensory soundbyte not what i see neuronet failing GLICON trailing.. my mind is alive...my body is failing" -slave to external "mindwiper" ne-raves in dah house!! I'd like to thank the ne-ravers who came to the party. There is an incredibly ravey atmosphere here in my home. Damian and JoltHead are spinning demons. I'm so happy! Watch out world, someday we're gonna do a ne-raves rave!!! (Laura) some day soooooon. it'll be so kickin that we'll make thunderground the ravette! -909 Once again POWER RAVE(Pittsburgh) is in the house -Dario- SO, do you think this will cut those damned bandwidth arguments down now that we're all friends? :) -- jna ickety ackety ook. -camper. I don't think bandwidth is an appropriate topic for this forum... My first rave-type happening. Been a vagabond in Phily for far too long. Oh my Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore. Thank God for rave!!! - Bear. we thank the rave godess for bringing all the ne-ravers together in unity -d^2 Geeks in unity... top one, nice one, get sorted! Gotta love this, glad to finally get North of Philly for a Rave, gotta expand those horizons - Y^2 (Yoram) We're all havin' a great time, wish you were here. daddy, i want an ooompa loompa NOW! Had fun in D.C, had fun in Cleveland, had fun in Toronto, had fun in Chicago, had fun in Detroit, now it's New York! -Dario- hi,I don't usualy post but, I like to hang with geeks! Everyone should do it at least once. Deb. ps it's better than cats(you don't det the fur caught in your ****) One of the advantages of being (as far as I know) the senior attendee here is that I can say equivocally that this is indeed historic, not only in the annals of ne-raves, but in the annals of net.parties in general. In ten years of net.get.togethers, this has been by far the raddest, baddest, hippest, trippest of the lot! Thanks all. -ebh how many ravers can you find at a hardcore techno party? why, eight hundred and eight, of course..bye guys! we're headin' to sputnik! amazingly cool party laura...we actually pulled it off! >> taylor ... hey thanks to laura for doing this for all of us...man, if we could only get something going like this in worcester...yeah right!!! great meeting ya'll. b e c c a Great idea, laura! We're raving, we're raving. - Rob === [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Oct 1992 00:33:25 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: raving and dancing.. there was one point that ed made in his brilliant "grin reply" that i really felt the need to respond to. it was the part about dancing and the feeling of acceptance among the rave community. for years i went to various industrial clubs to hear some cool music and to dance...i heard cool music..yes, but i never DID dance. why??? well, i always felt like i was being watched and judged. i never felt comfortable dancing.. i never felt comfortable being myself..and i never really realized how bad this was until i came across the rave culture. when i finally got to my first rave it was like magik. all of the sudden i felt this big black cloud lifted from around me. i no longer felt watched.. judged or talked about...i felt like i was myself, and being accepted for just being me. i didn't feel one single byte of self-consciousness or insecurity.. (which is a big thing for me)..and on top of it all..i danced my ass off. i don't go to industrial clubs now. i can't. not after raving...the various industrial places just don't come close. there is SO much attitude and sorrow...and hatred...at the times when i HAVE gone to places like the limelight recently i've only laughed inside at these people..or maybe not even laughed really..felt sorry for, may be a better term. and not because "they haven't found the rave scene".. no, it's more simple than that...they haven't found themselves. the rave scene allows me to be myself..and to dance how i want to.. and to love it. and to love everyone in it. the feeling of total happiness and total acceptance, to me, is second to none... ...808's to you all. (just feeling bliss..) :) >> taylor [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Let me Refraim Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 0:32:03 EDT > Oh, tell us why you grinned the entire night... we'd love to know.. :) > > I go to raves to be with my friends and meet new people. end of story. > no new-agey crap here. I just love my friends. Someone else asked me privately about this, and my response was over 100 lines of new-agey crap. :-) Part of why I don't want to send it to the whole list is that I don't want to imply to the rave-curious newcomers that raving is some sort of descendent of Ramtha or Shirley MacLaine. It's not, but I might be. :-) -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 02:57:17 EDT From: uyyifrah@king.mcs.drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2]) Subject: Promotor's Hmm... I wish I had had taken more time to talk to the promotor of Wonka2 We (Ed, Taylor, Becca and my friend Anand) met him in the Pizza place near the RollerRink at Sputnik II. He didn't LOOK like he had $$$ in his eyes, but he was handing out fliers left and right. I suspect he was more interested in trying to get people to get the Philadelphia rave scene going than getting lots 'o people toward the 'mo money goal. He seemed like a nice enough guy, and I heard good things about the first Wonka. Welp, I'm going to check out Wonka2 (since it is only about a 5 min drive) I have to agree with Gil on the both of his points about lighting. I have been at raves where the only lighting was a spotlight and a strobe, and I have been to a Catastrophic rave (Raves 'R Us) that had 2 lasers, many intellibeams etc, etc. Both were good raves, the one with just the strobe had lots of energy which was nice. So did Sputnik II. I sorta attributed the low energy at Raves 'R Us to the fact that I didn't get there ' 'till 2am. But from what I have heard from others, that wasn't it. My point is, both were good raves, and I would go to similar ones in the future, variety is good, and I have to admit, while the Catastrophic raves do seem to tend to the commercial side, you can't help but feel like you are getting "your money's worth" when you see the lasers, get a nice ride on a REAL tourbus (hey, it had a bathroom) etc, etc... Oh well, enough rambling, I'll be wearing my NE-RAVERS badge at Wonka2 and future raves, so if you see it, TALK TO ME! .... sig in progress, just pretend there is something meaningful here .... uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu (Yoram) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Commercialism at its worst Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 10:24:59 MDT It finanally happened. After almost a year of being the only game in town someone else decided to throw a rave. Coincidentally, one of the people involved was the same person who we rented a space from for our first rave in February. So I looked forward to this one with a bit of anxiety and trepidation, wondering how they would try bend the scene into their own blatant commercialism. Their flyer was rather sucky in comparison. Eleven different font styles and every cliche in the book. The wording of the lines seemed strangely familiar "40,000 Watts of Turbo Generated Space Bass", "Journey Beyond The Ultrabeat" and a few other lines that were scratching my memory. One day I was looking at my flyer collection on the wall and I saw why it was so familiar. The "Outlands" rave flyer, which John and I had traveled to Colorado for, was their obvious source. They had copied their lines WORD for WORD. So much for originality. I arrived at the Fairgrounds a few minutes after they opened to a mostly empty hall. They had an enormous sound system, about eight times bigger than what we normally use. In that empty hall, it just echoed and sounded terrible. The lights were constant, no shifting to the beat, just going on full tilt all night long. I had a brought a stack of flyers for "Taste" with the phone number, as well as an advertisement for a radio show I'd be doing in a couple of weeks. I was handing them out to the few people in there when a 250 lb man in the ugliest warm-up suit I'd ever seen came up to me. I'd just met the promoter. I told him who I was and he hadn't even heard of us, which in fact was a complement, for I've always insisted on being the underground, not just labeling ourselves as such. He kind of laughed when I told him that I'd been doing raves here since February, "Hit and miss?" he commented. "No, hit and hit, I'm afraid." He then mentioned how he hoped a lot of people would show up, after all the hall's capacity was 1000. Then he disappeared. The first DJ was the same person who I had rented our first place from. Back in February, we had a good discussion about house and techno, me being surprised at his knowledge of it. He mentioned he was in a record pool. I'd never heard him DJ until this night. It seemed that his record pool was rather terrible. "Who shot JFK", "Free Your Body", all the Quadraphonia tripe, "Sesame's Treat", and yes, of course, "James Brown is Dead" were played, not once, but usually twice for emphasis. The only thing I heard him spin that I remotely enjoyed was Two Blind Mice's "Bomb Scare", it was remarkable that he even had it. He ended his set with Nine Inch Nails' "Down In It". There was no mixing to be found. Several times he left the audience just standing there, waiting for the track to fade out or in. Yeeeeeuuck. I began to think that the second DJ was a savior. Fairly competant mixing when he started off with some great trance. Then I noticed that he had been fiddling with the CD player the whole time while a turntable spun. It was a mix disc. Then he kicked in with the usual, "Sesame's Treat", "Everybody's Free", etc. etc. etc. Another yawner was underway. I didn't stay much longer. The promoter had been running around all night, making sure that nobody had snuck anything in. I saw him take a beer can from a friend. The concessions were the standard fairground staff. $1 candy bars, $2 cokes. Each door had a security guard. This was above-ground as you could get. Really sickening atmosphere, with very few of the hardcore. One of them laughed to me as he labeled it, "Highschool Rave". It really wasn't much better than any of the dances I had gone to back then. After leaving, I just hoped I could put everything in the back of my head, thinking that they had lost enough money on this one never to attempt another farce. Then last night (Tuesday) he called. The promoter was very interested in what I had to say about his "rave". He had given me his card after I had left with the statement, "Let's keep in touch so we don't conflict with each other's dates!" His card was for a DJ service, "Weddings, Birthdays, Parties", then with a list of things he played "30's - 90's, Hip Hop, Soul." Another hardcore raver told me that he had gone to a wedding where this guy had DJ'd. They had brought him some techno CDs and he REFUSED to play them. Apparently his mind had changed in the past few months when he realized what a "cash cow" was to be had. I was polite to him over the phone, even though most of the time I felt like telling him to fuck off. He mentioned that he had been in contact with "rave promoters in New York" then he mentioned the fact that they had thrown a rave for "5000 people", it was obvious that he was talking about Storm. THEN HE MENTIONED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY COULD BE MADE FROM A SHOW OF THAT SIZE. Good God I was getting angry. Yet for some reason, I find it really hard to be rude to strangers, no matter how insulting they are. I kept a lid on it. Yet I told him that I had lost more money than I had made on raves, because the money wasn't important to me. I wasn't doing it to get rich. I was doing it because I enjoyed the scene and people appreciated my efforts. Understandably, he had a hard time fathoming it. He asked me if there was anything I didn't like about his "rave". I said that the sound system was nice and big, but terrible for that size of hall. He explained that if there has been a larger crowd (about 200 people showed up) then it wouldn't have been a problem. He said that they had printed up 3000 flyers for this and the next one would have 10,000, so obviously "more people would show up." Our standard amount of flyers is 200, the majority of them going to the mailing list. I told him that the music was rather mainstream, old, and didn't do anything for me. It was then that he told me that the guys in New York shops were going to be sending him lots of music to play. All of the latest techno from GERMANY. It was apparent that this guy didn't have a clue. Then he invited me to DJ for him. I took great pleasure in telling him that his dances were too mainstream and I'd rather not. Once again he emphasized that we should keep in touch so we didn't conflict with each other. Then he told me the date of their next "rave", the 21st of November, same stinking location. Suddenly I knew when our next rave was going to happen. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21-OCT-1992 13:59:38.49 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Commercialism at its worst >that his dances were too mainstream and I'd rather not. Once again he >emphasized that we should keep in touch so we didn't conflict with each other. >Then he told me the date of their next "rave", the 21st of November, same >stinking location. >Suddenly I knew when our next rave was going to happen. Word, brother!! Fight the power. Smash the capitalist oppressor lumpenbourgeiosie-tempter swine-pig!!! :) --Mr.Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 14:21:04 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Most things are better eaten than forgotten.) Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. I used to go to industrial clubs, and I always danced, maybe even going to the point of standing on the sides of the dance floor, looking at the amazingly gothic people ( I haven't dressed any different since I started raving then when I was doing the Goth thang... ) The Only thing that ever bothered me was that people were always so cold and pulled into themselves. I used to lookaat people, not being able to take them seriously, start to clap and say "Very good, very goth, more makeup, more angst... excellent! you've got it now! look angry.." I can't take them seriously anymore. I just ended up making friends with all the little gothic people, and having parties where people got to know each other. We actually formed a vibe in an industrial club. it doesn't have to be at a rave.. How many other people besides dave, taylor, and myself come from industrial foundations? --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 14:43 EDT From: MAB195@psuvm.psu.edu Subject: Re: Commercialism at its worst you slay me, keep it up, up and alive|| [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1992 15:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. i come from a more house-eurobeat-pop vein more hip-hop and soul than industrial, although i went through a industrial phase, which is why some of that super-super-hahdcoah stuff makes me sick....Stuff like "I Feel Love" played at a rave after some hardcore really does it for me....kinda like a sun rising from a raincloud(not to knock hardcore--i like most of it, but i just wish there would be more of a variety at parties-that's why i liked Sputnik so much-variety...) Mike dr.slammin' [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 16:29:30 -0400 From: nkarp@cc.brynmawr.edu (Nina Karp) Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. I second that... I keep persistently going to clubs, thinkin' maybe *this* time it'll be fun and won't feel like a meat market, and inevitably end up feeling existential and depressed, two emotions that are not high on my weekend agenda. I learned how to dance (in my own rather peculiar style) after I learned to stop caring about whether or not I looked like an idiot, and I learned to stop caring when I finally was introduced to an atomsphere in which I felt as if I wasn't being weighed, measured and judged with every inch of my clothing and every move I made. A Good Thing. Perpetually, Nina. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21-OCT-1992 16:39:43.50 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. Our founder, JNA writes: >How many other people besides dave, taylor, and myself come from industrial >foundations? I did too, although I was never really fixed into being a little industrial head. I was always more concerned with the dance side of things and this just led to a natural (and easy) transition into techno. Industrial was just getting too stultifying, with all the Wax Trax! inspired NIN clones... but I still enjoy listening to Throbbing Gristle. :) --Mr. Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 16:38:56 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: re: raving and dancing... > How many other people besides dave, taylor, and myself come from industrial > foundations? Count me in... I still like it... Although, I am getting extremely bored of Saturday nights at Manray... CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 16:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: quark@asylum.sf.ca.us (I'm going too fast - No wonder I'm lost...) Subject: raving and dancing.. I still listen to a lot of industrial. I listen to alot of other music too. I still dress mainly in black, but that's just a habit left over from many years as a theatre tech... I'm on the list 'cause I raved a bit in Califonia and *LOVED* it. It'd been years since I felt comfortable jumping out on a dance floor and dancing, getting some water or Coke (the drink) and dancing some more, getting a drink, dancing some more, resting a song or two and staring the cycle again. It's amazingly nifty knowing that you're ther to dance and not to "have the look". I'm planning on making one of the MA raves coming up. I'll be the guy in the psychodelic jester's cap. --Dave (The quiet one on this list...) ===========================================================vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv -Dave Hull (quark@asylum.sf.ca.us -in reality near Boston) | I just fell down home #(617)623-5319 work #(617)942-0915 | these damn stairs That which is hidden - degenerates. -- Spaulding Grey [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Oct 1992 17:07:59 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: raving and dancing.. hey, don't get me wrong.. i still like to listen to some industrial..'cos i'm a sucker for anyone that abuses technology...but, when i listen to it in my own home i don't have to deal with all of the angry assholes and i can get out of the musik what i want..instead of dealing with the negative club energy. ..i had a dream that i was at a rave saturday night..a big, beautiful rave.. >> t=A(y+L) / oR - 8(0)::8 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21 Oct 1992 17:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: raving and dancing wow...can you believe that we're all aktually participating in a FRIENDLY discussion here? sigh. so much happier. >> taylor 808 (grooving to some INCREDIBLE trance/acid house that a friend lent me...sigh...so much happier..) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1992 17:48:04 -0400 Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. Our founder, JNA writes: >How many other people besides dave, taylor, and myself come from industrial >foundations? Well, I came from a hardcore-punk background. I laughed when someone first suggested I would ever listen to "dance music." Course, I didn't realize why I like slam dancing, moshing, etc. I never liked it when it got to brutal, only when people were having fun gently bumping and pushing into one another. Fun was the key, and that's why I like the Rave scene so much...it's about being happy. I used to be a little depressive, but I mainly liked hardcore punk because you often _had_ to laugh at it, since it was so depressing. Techno has caught me because it is upbeat, yet impressive, clinging tightly to the technology I so love... -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 21-OCT-1992 17:38:09.79 From: TVANES@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Raving and Dancing Hey, call me silly child, but I still love industrial. It fits a mood, one I am in a lot. Techno suits my gotta bop around and be happy side, and certain songs fit the mellow side. Just as long as I don't go techno-side when I am in a bad mood, and I don't play industrial to make me feel happier, then there can't be anything wrong. Unfortunately some people hear techno (hardcore BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM) and think, hey this is stuff I can be really pissed off to! arrgh. Kreig may not have noticed, but at the mini-rave he dj'ed (with the highest finesse, I might add), there were at least a few who had that mental set... To Wesleyan's credit, tho, most students were completely positive about it. words for brainfodder, tasha [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1992 21:13:49 -0400 Subject: look at that fool dance Another thing though is that in industrial type clubs, you have to just look like you have confidence in your dance style. YOu need that air of contempt, and that attitude that "I'm cool...the hell with all you." It seems that at a rave it's like so totally accepting..so free. YOu can (and are sometimes) encouraged to act like a kid...totally oblivious of the people around you. Gil "digital druid" cyberpun(k) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 21:47:05 -0400 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: Re: raving & dancing . . I was surpised to see how many people came to techno via industrial. I did the same, though since at the time I wasn't going at _any_ industrial clubs OR raves I don't know what the industrial club scene consisted of. I heard both together at many clubs, such as Gerardo's in Providence RI, where I used to go 2 dance . . . As near as memory serves, the first 'industrial' stuff I heard was Front 242, somewhere around '87 or '88. A friend then turned me on to Wax Trax!, and I became a big KMFDM fan. This same friend made a tape for me that mixed industrial with some techno (I think it was off the ffrr "Ultimate Rave" compilation), and I was hooked. One thing that frustrates me, being up in rural Maine where the only "clubs" feature Garth Brooks and Waylon Jennings on the stereo, is that most of the techno I hear is played out before I get it. I was waxing ecstatic to a friend in SF about "Free Your Body," "What Can You Do For Me," and "Maximizor," and he looked ar me as though I was a relic from a year ago . . . . But since then I've hooked up with a techno show on the local alternative radio station (WMHB); they get a lot of fairly new stuff on vinyl and CD, so I ffel like I've got the time lapse down to a few months at most . . . . --Russell Potter -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and _+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:37:14 -0400 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. > >Our founder, JNA writes: >>How many other people besides dave, taylor, and myself come from industrial >>foundations? > >Well, I came from a hardcore-punk background. I laughed when someone >first suggested I would ever listen to "dance music." Course, I >didn't realize why I like slam dancing, moshing, etc. I never liked >it when it got to brutal, only when people were having fun gently >bumping and pushing into one another. Fun was the key, and that's >why I like the Rave scene so much...it's about being happy. I used to >be a little depressive, but I mainly liked hardcore punk because you >often _had_ to laugh at it, since it was so depressing. > >Techno has caught me because it is upbeat, yet impressive, clinging >tightly to the technology I so love... Me too. Actually, I still listen to lots of hardcore punk and some thrash type stuff although I have stopped listening to lots of the crappy hardcore I used to listen to and have limited it to more quality stuff. I still go to those shows too. I love to see new hardcore/punk bands. Also, I used to and still listen to 4AD stuff. I only started listening to industrial recently. Some of it is really good. The depressing and/or angry sides of all these types of music contrast with the upbeat fun and peacefulness of other things I listen to like ska, and of course, techno. That's ok though. Usually, the hardcore/punk/industial I listen to does not make me angry. For me, it is more about the songs and the energy and creating new sounds. Going to shows is always FUN! I do not use these types of music for reasons like venting aggression or whatever. Also, many of the bands have positive, peaceful messages. Enough about that. I love techno! Unfortunately, I missed Sputnik II. I really wish I was there to meet you all. However, I did have a fun weekend in DC at the Flintstone Rave. Under the bridge, by the river, in the cold, scarce lighting... Well, I met some interesting people there and, in the spirit of the Flintstones, we lit a fire on the other side of the bridge (also, we were freezing). Well, the fire warmed us up and the echoes from the bridge made the music sound really cool until it stopped at about 2:45 because no one was dancing. Monday, we met the people that were at the bonfire at a club in DC called Fifth Column. It was lots of fun and a good place to go. Well, I'd write more but I just noticed the time and I'm late. YIKES!!! byebye. -- Marla. "Much doesn't mean much." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:26:12 EST Subject: re: raving and dancing... yeah, industrial here too. i still like "real" industrial (EN, TG, etc...), but i'm getting sick of "dance industrial" because it has a beat but i can't dance to it .. :) it seems to be getting to ministry & NIN influenced, metal and shit. so i've slided into techno/house/hipHop .. a beat AND i can dance to it ... other than that i like anything ("erotica" by Madonna is actually pretty funky :)), except country. country disgusts me. i got into techno&house stuff by first purchasing 808 state's UTD state 90 (in late 90) and being totally blown away by it. and then while i was in italy (summer 91) i was taken to normal discos. and they played some FUNKY shit. house, and what i like to call italo-techno, tho i bet there's some other name for it :) and then in oct91 i saw 808 "play" in boston, and they had 4 DJs playing from 9 to midnite... i wahooked. taht was the first time i heard Mayhem... wow! anywa my babbling has gone on long enough... funky funky razzamatazz to you all! donato [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:53:06 EDT From: Frederick.Wolf@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. I came at techno from a combo of the ideas behind early industrial (particularly the first SPK record, an absolute masterpiece, though the name escapes me (lots of screaming, breaking glass, metal saws)) and from the con-funk-shun -a- delic super twisty world of George Clinton (is 7-up?) oh and from high power avant-skronk jazz such as all the spin-offs from Ornette Colemans' bands from the last two decades. So many musical forms have given this thing called techno a noise of its own! It's such a creative medium right now, I think of it as the jazz of the computer age. - fred fwolf@um.cc.umich.edu - [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 01:22:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Joey Chan Subject: on the list Could you add the following addresses to the ne-raves distribution list please. I am originally from San Francisco - and would like to go to raves out here in this part of the country (in PA for school) and I've heard that the best way to hear about upcoming events is this list. thanks mc4o@andrew.cmu.edu ai0e@andrew.cmu.edu MROMO@SCUACC.SCU.EDU zdross@ucdavis.edu thanks - mark [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:04:34 -0700 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: raving & dancing . . What got me into techno... I can't say I went "from" industrial "to" techno, since I started getting into everything at the same time - the first CD I got was U2's "Joshua Tree" (so I like them, I like a lot of things;) , which lead me to your standard crop of what was considered "Alternative" music. I also started listening to the radio more, and on KROQ in LA the Swedish Egil had an all-night radio rock mix where he counted down the top 20 club songs. That set progressively turned from more popular stuff to really housy and acidic stuff - and started getting less and less recognizable. I bought a Razormaid Disc, Very best of Vol. 5, and was impressed (they've since gone way downhill, though), and then bought the 12" single for The Great Commandment by Camouflage that had the very first "acid" mix I had ever seen, with the "wiggly worm" and the guy chanting "a-CEEEED!" in the background. And then there was an explosion of "acid remixes" of popular songs, all of which worked for me. And then I got into buying techno compilations (some EXCELLENT early ones - Bass Breaks and Bleeps I, In Order to Dance I, etc.) I was at first attracted to the ZYX-style techno (Technoworld, Techno Trax Vol. I) but got tired of that quickly. My first rave was an accident - I thought I was going to a Baby Ford concert (whose first CD I got for 2.99 used - serendipity was a MAJOR force in creating my music tastes). And since then my tastes have just sorta evolved... they've done a lot of changing over the past few months even, with a LOT more trance and tribal and less of the breakbeathardcoreyewNOtheskores (anyone want to buy a stack of Risin' High stuff? Not all of it, of course, but some of it... *sigh* I still like all the R&S stuff I bought, though) So ANYWAYS... I can't really say industrial led me into this. I mean, I'd consider myself a fairly large industrial music fan (at one point I was ordering anything from my record store with a catalog number that began WAX####), but never really into industrial clubbing. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "MDMA is like getting a glimpse at the picture on the box of the jigsaw puzzle of life. You still have to put the pieces together." - Nick Ingrasci, Ph.D. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 01:45:04 -0700 From: Bryan L. Myers Subject: Techno <---> Industrial In regards to the Industrial to Techno conversion, I've actually gone the other way. I was introduced to Techno by the locat Detroit scene (Underground Resistance, Derrick Mat, etc.). I then got into the European version of Techno (aka, Rave, Hardcore). I love Aphex Twinn ! But now I'm really into Industrial. I love Einsturezende Neubauten ! What's cool is that the DJ who runs the Detroit radio Techno scene (Alan Oldham, WDET, 101.9) mixes all these type of music together and keeps it totally underground. Sincerely, TechnoThor (bmyers@ well.sf.ca.us) 10.22.92 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 9:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: PUC@STARS.GSFC.NASA.GOV Subject: RADIO Anybody in the D.C. vicinity know about any radio stations which play techno ?? Bernard [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 09:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Michael Goller Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. >>Our founder, JNA writes: >>>How many other people besides dave, taylor, and myself come from industrial Well, count me in too. But I can't say that I've just come from that background. I started out in the EARLY 80's with new wave, then assimilated industrial as it came along, then quickly dosed german techno when it started coming over, and grab new stuff as it comes along. I don't think anyone really loses the music styles they've ever liked. I like to mix the styles up a lot. Sometimes (My friends will say a lot, but ignore them. :) I like to toss in Erasure's "Breath Of Life" and "Vitamin C" (B-side to "Love To Hate You" and they work pretty well. I don't see anything wrong with tossing in different styles into a rave...for the DJ's out there....try Nitzer Ebb's "Join in the Chant" at 45-8...... :) Sean Techno Terrorists WRCT 88.3fm Fridays 8pm-Mid wipeout+@cmu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:50:41 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. >i come from a more house-eurobeat-pop vein more hip-hop and soul than >industrial, although i went through a industrial phase I to am still into the hip-hop and soul. I also have been interested in industrial music for the past year but not the scene. I was first introduced to techno about two years ago when i bought a welcome to the technodrome cd. i thought it was pretty cool and I kept buying techno related music intermittently. It wasn't until I went to Paradox in baltimore a couple of months back where it really hit me and forced me into a buying spree. I'm really looking forward to the masquerave in dc on halloween. Another type of music that I really like is acid jazz. The Go Zone at Fifth Column is acid jazz night. It doesn't have the energy of techno but the music is great (crowds were sparce,though). By the way, I walked over to the Vault next door to see if they were playing techno at all and it was pretty dead. I think they shifted there techno scene to monday. hani [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 06:55:47 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: The Paragon in Miami Beach Does anyone know the address for the Paragon in Miami Beach? -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:52:19 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: RADIO >Anybody in the D.C. vicinity know about any radio stations >which play techno ?? > >Bernard I think WHFS 99.1 on saturday nights (after 9 or 10) plays techno. hani [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 10:35:29 -0400 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Re: RADIO Whfs (99.1) plays a techno show called "Mutant Dance Party" on Saturday nights at 10.00pm. I also hear that Wpgc plays a show ??Friday or Saturday?? Thats kinda weird considering pgc is a Hip-Hop/Rap/Soul station. I haven't heard their show yet but it is supposibly pretty good. Also, if your within 5 miles of the University of Maryland tune to 88.1. At various times dj's will spin Techno. The digital druid cyberpun(k) I hear spins sometimes for the station. Gil, if you recieve this message maybe you can write back to confirm..... TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 10:41:47 -0400 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: Atomic Vibe Is anyone out there on the ne-raves listing a member of the Atomic Vibe Tribe based out of Baltimore? If so could you e-mail me and tell me you're logon? TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 11:52:57 -0400 From: "Daniel A. Avery" Subject: Re: RADIO the radio techno scene is pretty sparse in DC, but WHFS recently started the Mutant Dance Party on Saturday nites from 10-12pm with Zoltar,Brother from anotehr planet. I thought at first it was some cheezy rip-off of the industrial techno but its good! its 10-12 saturdaze on 99.1 --- Dan-O [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 12:35:52 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (kicking clouds across the sky) Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. I learned how to dance because I had this friend that dragged me off to house clubs in the early 80's. So I ended up getting all these goofy moves. And then I went to various industrial clubs for two years. So I can stomp and house...:) Doesn't matter what you look like while you're dancing;. as long as you're into the groove. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 12:39:43 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (kicking clouds across the sky) Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. It always seemed that the clone-kids (that is, the kiddies who go to college and suddendly decide it's a good idea to become 'alternative') never really listened to the music, and they were just a product of a trend. (the sort of industrial kid who you can walk up to them and say "do you like ministry?") and they'll say "oh yeah , fucking 'a' Jesus built my hotrod" and then you throw a copy of 'With Sympathy' and play 'efigy' and they won't believe it's the same thing. Nor will they have heard of it. But this is a topic for another group, and I'm wasting precious bandwidth by communcating. (gag) -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 12:42:00 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (kicking clouds across the sky) Subject: Re: raving and dancing >wow...can you believe that we're all aktually participating in a FRIENDLY >discussion here? Yah, that's because we're all friends now . :) Reach out, connect, unite :) =John jna() { begin; neverend; }; [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 12:45:47 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (kicking clouds across the sky) Subject: Re: raving & dancing . . Oh, what about Zoots in Portland, that's a trendy-alternative-ish club. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 12:56:15 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (kicking clouds across the sky) Subject: from bob again.. Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 9:34:39 EDT From: Bob Gajarsky To: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu Subject: what' the bloody address? Message-Id: Status: R i'm enclosing a review of the shamen/utah saints concert... feel free to post it. i'm going to subscribe to it as soon as i get my account at gnu... - thanks, bob gaj the shamen and the utah saints are a LOT of fun to see in concert - if you get a chance when they come to your town, go see them. they played last night at the palladium (that's the well known new york club that *doesn't* discriminate), and lisa and i saw them,with opening act mosesonacid. that's the name of the group - 4 men, one who danced like bez in the happy mondays, one who looked a bit like andy warhol and was the lead singer, and 2 others playing keys and electronic drums (?). sounded a bit like a cross between nine inch nails, 808 state, and every generic techno song that's out there. but it was fun. after WAY too long a break (45 minutes? if not more), the utah saints came on. the first song had one of themembers singing (which, surprised me, as i've heard their "something good" album), but it was the only "singing" they did. they played trans-atlantic, i believe, in addition to "what can you do for me", an almost thrash/techno song which had them looping over "i've got something to say...it's better to burn out than fade away" (but NOT from def leppard), and of course, something good. they opened the something good song by saying "we sold out to the devil", everyone cheered because they knew what was next. the lead performer's line "this is what you came to hear" was ironic, and a bunch of black utah saints balloons were dropped on the crowd. they came off better live than i figured, and the version of something good, live, was better than either the single or the 12" version. parting words? "thanks for buying the single". and flyers were handed out, which i don't have handy, that offered a 800 number to call to listen to songs from the new utah saints album (due out dec. 8), and if you give them your name, address, etc. they will send you an autographed utah saints poster. oh, i also got a copy of the mosesonacid album - they threw it out in the audience. then, the shamen came on. our ears were shot to hell ,as were my legs - doors opened at 9, and it was 1230 or so when they finally arrived onstage. since i don't have any of their albums,i couldn't tell what songs were there, but "forever me" was one of them, as well as "move any mountain", "love sex intelligence", and the woman who sings in "l.s.i." stayed on for another song. but it was getting late, so the shamen had to finish their show without us being in the building. i think they managed, though i'll never know how. good show. great background lights for the shamen...though i think the utah saints out*performed* them on stage. - bob gaj. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:06:31 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Utah Saints/Shamen In light of Bob Gajarsky's review of the Utah Saints and the Shamen, this is just a reminder that these two groups will be playing at Venus De Milo (Boston, MA) tonight. CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22-OCT-1992 13:19:37.26 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. >It always seemed that the clone-kids (that is, the kiddies who go to college >and suddendly decide it's a good idea to become 'alternative') never really >listened to the music, and they were just a product of a trend. (the sort of >industrial kid who you can walk up to them and say "do you like ministry?") >and they'll say "oh yeah , fucking 'a' Jesus built my hotrod" and then you >throw a copy of 'With Sympathy' and play 'efigy' and they won't believe it's >the same thing. Nor will they have heard of it. Oh word. Sick short conversation a year ago: Me: "Do You like Industrial?" Trendy: "Yeah, I love NIN." Me: "What songs do you like?" Trendy: "Head Like a Hole..." Me: "Do you like MBM?" Trendy: "Who?" This sort of thing is a big problem at a place like Wesleyan which has a rep for being weird and so people become "weird" to be "cool". >But this is a topic for another group, and I'm wasting precious bandwidth >by communcating. (gag) No! Don't stop. This is fun. --Mr. Sparkle... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:36:31 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Severed Head) Subject: Re: raving and dancing.. Oh, I completely agree.. Being wierd to be cool started a long time ago.. Sort of the mass-appeal to raves "look at us we're all part of something underground that you don't/can't know about" Well, that's the mass appeal of raves to people that don't understand the message and are just hopping on the bandwagon. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 22-OCT-1992 13:10:08.52 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Raving and Dancing tvanes writes: >there can't be anything wrong. Unfortunately some people hear techno (hardcore >BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM) and think, hey this is stuff I can be really pissed >off to! arrgh. Kreig may not have noticed, but at the mini-rave he dj'ed >(with the highest finesse, I might add), there were at least a few who had >that mental set... Oh yes I almost forgot the jocko fuck with beer in hand who came up to me and said, "Dude, you got any Ministry?" during a long breakbeat set. For that matter request-wise it was the obvious: 2 or 3 people asking for "Temple of Dreams" and "O Fortuna" and this one girl who said "Do you have Sesame's Treet? how about James Brown Is Dead?" The one original request was an English girl who asked "Say by any chance would you have `On a Ragga Tip'" but taken in the context of that being a top-40 UK hit it was obvious. > To Wesleyan's credit, tho, most students were completely positive >about it. Yes indeedy. In fact they didn't mosh during "Alles Naar De Kleute". :) --Mr. Sparkle kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:10:37 -0400 (EDT) From: quark@asylum.sf.ca.us (I'm going too fast - No wonder I'm lost...) Subject: Utah Saints/Shamen >>> On Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:06:31 EDT, cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) said: CaRoLyN> In light of Bob Gajarsky's review of the Utah Saints and CaRoLyN> the Shamen, this is just a reminder that these two groups CaRoLyN> will be playing at Venus De Milo (Boston, MA) tonight. CaRoLyN> CaRoLyN I've got my ticket in my hot little hand, er wallet. I'll be the tallish guy with 6 earrings in my left ear, two in my right, and a fall-camoflage shirt. --Dave (the psyched for a fun show dude) ===========================================================vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv -Dave Hull (quark@asylum.sf.ca.us -in reality near Boston) | I just fell down home #(617)623-5319 work #(617)942-0915 | these damn stairs There's a war going on inside your body. You mind's going along for the ride. Rise up sister! Stand up boy! Get your dreams and reality combined. --World Entertainment War [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 16:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: Re: Utah Saints/Shamen d'oh! i don't remember hearing this before! can anyone tell me - SOON - how to get to venus from providence? i.e. coming in to boston on 93 from 95. when should i show up? who's going? mike On Thu, 22 Oct 1992, Carolyn Shin wrote: > > > In light of Bob Gajarsky's review of the Utah Saints and > the Shamen, this is just a reminder that these two groups > will be playing at Venus De Milo (Boston, MA) tonight. > > CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 11:55:49 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: yet another "how I got into techno" When I was a freshman in college (1986) I had a big interest in dance music (New Order, Depeche Mode, more commercial stuff). I started doing college radio, where "dark" dance music was getting lots of play -- "Agressiva" by Front 242, "Papal Breakdance" by Psychic TV, "Join in the Chant" by Nitzer Ebb, etc. My radio station was a member of Rockpool, which puts out a magazine that has DJ charts -- most importantly the top 20 import 12"s of the month. I always liked the two or three titles on the chart that I recognized, so I started buying any 12"s on the Rockpool import chart that I could find. Through this, I discovered UK house music -- 808 State, A Guy Called Gerald, Baby Ford, S-Express, Bomb the Bass, Renegade Soundwave, The Shamen, The JAMs, etc. plus various labels from Germany and Belgium (Antler/Subway, ZYX, New Zone). I didn't get into the Chicago house style very much. I ended up doing both radio and club DJ-ing. After graduation (1990) I got a job and pretty much gave up on DJ-ing, but continued to buy imports -- "Anasthasia" by T.99, "Playing With Knives" by Bizarre Inc., etc. One day in December 1991 a friend of mine tells me about an underground house party that was happening in the city. This party was the first Gathering (a popular rave in SF). We went to the party and weren't exactly sure what to make of it. The sound system was incredible, the music was something like I had never experienced before -- very minimal, much more underground than T.99 -- and the crowd had an amazing energy that I had never seen in a club atmosphere. A few weeks later a different friend of mine invited me out to a more aboveground rave called Toon Town. I pretty much caught the hang of raves at this point and have been going to raves regularly since then. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 12:51:48 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: The Paragon in Miami Beach Paragon 1235 Washington Avenue Miami Beach, FL 33139 305-534-1235 (info line) 305-538-9059 (business office) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 17:20:33 -0400 From: jeff@ursa-major.spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic) Subject: Re: Utah Saints/Shamen Me too, me too! I'll be the little fellow standing in Dave's shadow. (What's it gots in its pocketsss, eh?) lurker below, Jeff [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:57:51 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Aphex Twin I think I recall someone asking if Aphex Twin has an album out. I just received this review of their new compilation album: > From: Mike J. Brown > > Aphex Twin has released a fantastic new album on R&S Records called > _Selected Ambient Works 85-92_. I wholeheartedly recommend it! > It is a double LP of over 70 minutes of some of the best ambient > house ever composed. Aphex Twin's music is not very sound-effects > oriented; rather, he makes very trancey, spacey, semimelodic, HEAVILY > processed electronic music. Considering the guy (Richard D. James) is > only about 20 years old, some of this stuff must have been written when > he was 12 or 13. It is absolutely brilliant. > > Aphex Twin's other releases are also excellent; I forgot to mention > them in the FAQ. Digeridoo and Polynomial-C are fairly ambient while > the b-sides are on the noisy side. All are very distinctive; nobody > sounds like Aphex Twin. > > Also, this has apparently been out for a while, but I just picked up the > domestic 12" of Pacific Symphony by Transformer 2 (Sonic Records SNC 2008). > Pacific Symphony is very appealing, being very much like Pacific by 808 > State in structure, yet unique enough to keep one from saying it is a rip > off. It's a very catchy track, I recommend it to all who like Pacific, > which would be just about everybody, eh? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 17:29:18 -0400 From: smv@apollo.hp.com (Steve Valentine) Subject: Directions to Venus Venus DeMilo is one of the seveal clubs on Lansdown St. Boston. This is the street next to Fenway Park, behind the "Green Monster." Coming up 93, there are several ways to go, pick one: 1) Take 93 to Storrow Dr west, get off at Mass Ave. (This is a left exit, so be ready for it!) (Storrow is the road along the Boston side of the Charles.) Turn left (south) and follow Mass Ave just over the Mass Pike. (Tower records is on your left at this point) Take the first right immediately after the pike, and take a right again at the first light. Follow this road (it bends to the left (west) and goes under Rt 1) then bends left again. Lansdown street will be on the right, but it is a one way, going the wrong way, so follow your right hand around the block. 2) If you missed Mass Ave, take the next exit (also on the left) and head for Kenmore Square. This will dump you on a N-S street heading for Commonwealth Ave. Take a right on Comm Ave and turn (45 degrees or so) left at Kenmore Sq onto Brookline St. (I might have the name wrong, there are two roads that you get to by bearing left, you want the left of the two.) Follow this over the Mass pike (immediately) and take the first left (Lansdown). 3) If you got off of Storrow, but miss the Kenmore Square exit, you're on Rt 1 south going over the bridge from 1) above. If you keep turning right, you'll find Fenway park. Going west to east down Lansdown there is a Gold's Gym, a big garage ($4 for club nights) Avalon (formerly Citi and Metro), Axis (formerly Spit/DV8), Venus DeMilo (with neon hula-hoops), and Bill's Bar. There are other lots for $3 or so, and if you get there early enough, you can park on the street for free. Mind the signs, they do two from driveways fire hydrants and I think some of the space in front of the clubs gets cleared for valet parking, etc. I'm not sure about this show(!!!), but Venus usually opens at 10PM, with the opening act around 11, and the main act around midnight. Your milage may vary. Most of the clubs on Lansdown have dress codes which are often not enforced when they have a band, but you never know. It never hurts to have shoes which aren't sneekers or boots, pants that aren't jeans, and wear black. I saw the Shamen the last time they hit Venus, and I wasn't that thrilled, so I'm not going tonight. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 18:24:10 -0400 (EDT) From: quark@asylum.sf.ca.us (I'm going too fast - No wonder I'm lost...) Subject: Directions to Venus The doors open at 9:00 for The Shamen/Utah Saints. It's an 18 and up show... --Dave ===========================================================vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv -Dave Hull (quark@asylum.sf.ca.us -in reality near Boston) | I just fell down home #(617)623-5319 work #(617)942-0915 | these damn stairs Um. What's the name of the word for things not being the same always. You know. I'm sure there is one. Isn't there? There must be a word for it... The thing that lets you know time is happening. Is there a word? Change. Oh. I was afraid of that. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Little Fluffy Clouds Subject: Industrial --> Techno Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 17:30:10 CDT I suppose I am kind of in transistion right now between industrial and techno. Originally I was into the typical "alternative" scene, then I inched my way into industrial with Nitzer Ebb, KMFDM, Ministry, and Skinny Puppy, but so far I haven't been much enjoyed 'noise' industrial like TG and most EN. Anyway, as of late I have really fallen in love with the Orb as well as a few faster paced things like Kode IV, Messiah, Eon... Still, I'm not really nailed down to any one kind of music. I guess it just depends what kind of day it is. Just some words for thought... -- + Craig Soule' + "Dance Dance Dance Dance Dance To The Radio"+ + "One Year to go!" + _Transmission_ -- Joy Division + + css37245@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + What a happy go-lucky bunch of guys. + [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 20:21:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: How I got into the "scene".... In first years of high school, 86-87, I was able to listen to a local show on our public station that played "alternative" music. I was able to hear all the 4AD & Factory stuff that came out. I was also listenning to things like Depeche Mode at this time. The show went off the air, not enough funding, and I had to look elsewhere for music. A friend of mine at school started lending me things, Foetus "Hole", and Severed Heads "Come Visit the Big Bigot" being the first things. Soon, I was on a Netwerk/WaxTrax kick. Bought anything on WaxTrax. Revolting Cocks, Meat Beat, Greater Than One, Manufacture, etc. Also finally got ahold of awesome album "Twitch" by Ministry, which introduced me to the king of production, Adrian Sherwood... During this time I would end up making Bi-Monthy trips to Boston, nearest city, to purchase $50-$75 worth of music. Came to College, 89, and joined the Radio Station. By this time I had tapes of stuff coming out of the Chicago House Scene, Farley, Knuckles, WGCI & WBMX. This in turn turned me onto the Euro Acid House Scene, and other dance music. I met Mike Wertheim who showed me the basics of beat mixing, using New Orders "Blue Monday" and "Perfect Kiss". I started collecting New Beat comps, and some singles, and keeping up with the more "pop" stuff, Depeche, etc. I started listenning to more German sound, Razormaid and ZYX did a good job introducing me to this sound. I also got to hear the beganning of the Rave sound, Stone Roses, Candyflip, and this 70's revival stuff(shit some of it). Around this time I had hooked up with Sean Goller (wipeout@cmu.edu) and we were doing a radio show together. We played all dance music, and even tried to mix (matter of opinion probably :) most of it. We managed to play all kinds of things, but mostly with an Acid House, or Euro sound. Baby Ford, Betty Boo, Mr Lee. Also New Wave stuff like Depeche Mode, Cameoflage, Cetu Javu. And even german stuff, Bigod 20, and more XYZ stuff. We have been migrating over to the techno sound since it has started getting bigger. Currently we are playing mostly techno, anywhere from Hardcore, to Breakbeat, to Trance. So, I sort of came from the "Industrial" side. But I more likely came from the "Alternative" side, which includes industrial, and other sounds. Now back to your normal bandwith wasting material. -Matt Techno Terrorists 8pm-Midnight Fridays 88.fm WRCT Pittsburgh (Anyone on this list from the Pittsburgh area who went to the Evolution rave, who I don't know, send me what you liked/disliked about it. I'm looking for feedback so that we can make it better next time.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 18:35 PDT From: "Your friend, Mike {!)" Subject: hey y'all Actually, that makes me sound like I am from Texas or something... I am an SFraver who was signed on to NERaves and I just wanted to say hello. If oyu people are at all coming out west, be sure to leave messages at SFRAVE@SODA.BERKELEY.EDU...being out here in San Francisco it would be fun to have some east coast ravers go out with us....we don;t always go out as a group or anything, but it seems that there are always some SFRavers wherever you go out here... What's the scene like on the other side of the continent? How organized? I have heard interesting things about it, but nothing concrete... I don't know why I mailed, but I have, so enjoy... peace [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 23:23:07 -0400 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: gonna see Moby? Is anyone going to Detroit tomorrow (Friday) to see Moby? I'd love to meet some ne-ravers. If you're gonna be there, let me know how I can pick you out in the crowd. Marla. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23 Oct 1992 01:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: tunnel "mask-a-rave" hey, i know myself and laura and john are headed to the mask-a-rave at the tunnel in NYC on friday the 30th..so if anyone wants to go..get in touch with one of us and we can meet up..or, just look for our pink/green ne-raves necklacethings...also, if anyone happens to me going to NASA tomorrow..(friday the 23rd)look for me there.. i'll wear my ne-raves badge....of course, there's so much going on this weekend that NASA might be quiet...but, i'm devoted.. lovelovepeace the square wave fetishist: >.taylor808.< [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: henders@eos.ncsu.edu Subject: PUREX in TN Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 02:09:47 EDT I received this a bit late, today for Saturday, and about a 12 hour ride at that!! I appreciate the thought and will keep in mind the next production, whoever was responsible for it. Here's the posting on the Jus-B-Low-VA region : PUREX Oct 24 10 PM @ 328 Fourth Ave South Nashville, TN $12, $10 w/ flier, 1200 people expected lots of barstuff, mechandise(?), and chill-out room live performances by SOUNDSHOCK and ANODE. info 901-763-8064 or 615-780-3730 PUNCH Nov 14 same folks (?), same flier... " From I-40, look for the "2nd Ave/ 4th Ave" exit. These are both one-way streets that go in opposite directions. Take second avenue toward downtown (4th avenue goes away fron downtown). Watch your speed, as there is usually a speed trap at the bottom of the hill. Go all the way to Broadway, turn left, after several traffic lights, look for 7th avenue. Turn left on 7th, go 1 block to McGavock, turn right on McGavock, go to 8th avenue, turn left on 8th, go to Lafayette (it's a weird intersection, about a block past the bus station), turn onto Lafayette, and go about 1 block and look for the crowded parking lot next to a really lage building (used to be a Sears Department store). m See you there. " I cannot make PUREX, may head to PUNCH. Let us know if you go.... October 24 Wilmington Rave (Wilmington, NC) @Metropolis Club right up the block from the river's edge. Past experience has proven this to be a cozy yet wild location for a Rave. Try watching the river roll out and the tide roll in afterwards. Also head to The Kettle for b-fast with everyone. Generally 300 or so, but very informal. About $5 entry (That's what makes the SE raves better, ha-ha...) I personally plan on hitting MasqueRave, got to get back to work..... *********************************************************************** ------ /|||||||\ hansel-dude @@@@@@@@@@@ henders@eos.ncsu.edu ||||| !' |||| o \ \ | ||| \ | $ || > \| \__/ / \\ +--------------------------------+ \__ / ||| | I'm voting Rep., b/cs | || | Indiana ha been doing pretty| | | darn well without the | | Quaylester !! | +--------------------------------+ *********************************************************************** [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 04:41:39 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: pre-Sputnik rave afterthoughts One of the things that struck me about the people at the ne-raves ravette was all the different talents among the ne-ravers. There's enough talent among this group for us to put on micro- raves. We could promote pre-rave raves. There's nobody doing this, and ours turned out successful. I see them as micro-raves were everyone get to meet each other before they go out raving. The rave will have the same name, and move from city to city. It can be in NY/NJ one time, DC the next time, and Mass/RI the other time. This way we can avoid the big-fish-in-a-small-pond mentality that goes with doing things on the local scene. It also give us the chance to check out the other scenes. I have a video-based 2-D VR system that would be great for raves. I want to design more virtual worlds, and this would be a good opportunity. Are there any ne-ravers out there interested in doing this. It will involve a large amount of work, effort, and commitment. We all know the rave scene is special, and this can be our contribution to keeping it that way. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 09:23:58 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: LIFE rave?? Anyone have any MORE information about this rave in Boston?? For example, is the date definitely set for November 7, 1992?? CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 10:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: se-raves? i seem to recall seeing something about a southeastern raves mailing list. anyone know the address? i have a friend in georgia who just got email access and would love to be on such a list... thanks mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- The obvious what is over the net, plus a few flyers handed out at the previous rave/club techno night/etc. How big? -- I'd feel more comfortable if there were VERY small to begin with. The party at my house was 42 people. We could have easily had 100 just through word of mouth. Maybe that's a good starting place -- word of mouth + net promotion, with lots of RSVPs like before (it makes planning a lot easier). How much to charge? -- well, I'd just like to cover our expenses. I'm in this for the scene, you know? The party at my house lost about $50, but that's because the badges ended up costing us more to make than we thought, and because I bought too much food. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 10:14:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Shamen & Utah Saints My ex-boss and I were supposed to go out for drinks last night at Boston Beer Works. Funny thing: it ended up snowballing into an event, with about fifteen people from the company I used to work for and the company I work for now both showing up. I'd assumed Kelly (my ex-boss) had heard about the Shamen/Utah Saints show, but she hadn't. 9 o'clock came so we ended up bailing and heading over to the show! People were a bit pissed that we dissed them, but fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. I though U.S. was really good...my experience with them was limited to "Something Good," and I was pleasantly surprised by the rest of their stuff. The music in between sets was all right, too. I thought the Shamen sucked, though. Maybe I'm being too hard on them, but I just couldn't get into it. I guess I've heard "Move Every Mountain" one too many times, and all of their music has started to blend together. Too many B.U. students makes Venus a dull club, too. So many paranoid kids grooving to bad tunes...bad trip. BTW, this is my second post to NE-RAVES, and I just wanted to say that this is, by far, my favorite mailing list. Keep up the traffic, guys...it's great to know that there are others out on the 'net into the same thing I'm into, and I'm learning a lot about the music itself as I listen (read) to you. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 10:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: shamen/utah saints at venus last night a review and some thoughts about last night's shamen/utah saints show at venus de milo in boston. having been to a good rave recently (quest in providence), this reminded me of all the reasons raves are more fun than clubs. first, there seemed to be quite a few fratboy(tm) types at venus last night. yes, that's an overgeneralized stereotype which is probably wildly unfair, but it's an impression. second, too much beer. i find people on the dance floor with full cups of beer (yes, i got spilled upon) and lit cigarettes at eye level (no, i did not get burned, not literally anyway :) highly annoying. third, they i think they overdid the sardine factor. i do enjoy a crowded dance floor - energy, everyone moving together, etc etc. but last night it seemed that they just packed in as many as they could - and at $12 a head, they must have cleaned up. regarding the music. i actually thought (contrary to a review of another show) that the shamen did a better show. maybe it was just me, but the utah saints seemed to go in fits and starts. i had a sensation of brief fragments of many different songs, some of which i knew. and considering how much i like their ep, it was a little disappointing. having seen the shamen last year at venus (when they were blown away by moby), i wasn't expecting that much performance-wise. i thought then (and still think) their live arrangements could be a lot better. but still, even given all the above whining and complaining, i had a pretty good time. maybe i'm just uncritical (as if...), but nearly any chance to go out and dance to music with the right kind of beat makes me feel pretty good. relieve the tensions of the week, etc etc. plus, i went with someone who didn't even know the shamen (well, maybe move any mountain, surprise surprise :) and came home dying for more techno. another convert! mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 10:36 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: LIFE rave?? I'm hurt Carolyn, didn't you read this week's Rave-O-Matic? The LIFE rave is November 7 (notice that I removed the old "tentative" part of the listing), there is now an info number (gee, look's like Debo's): 266-1987. I got this info off a flyer passed out at SPUTNIK. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 11:30:56 -0400 From: olver@buphy.bu.edu (Molly Olver) Subject: DC clubs A friend of mine is going to DC this weekend and he wants to know about good clubs there. His e-mail address is kmb@ben.psu.edu. thanks, molly [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 11:17 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: LIFE rave?? I wrote: >I'm hurt Carolyn, didn't you read this week's Rave-O-Matic? The LIFE >rave is November 7 (notice that I removed the old "tentative" part of >the listing), there is now an info number (gee, look's like Debo's): >266-1987. I got this info off a flyer passed out at SPUTNIK. Please add a bunch of happy smiley things after the "I'm hurt" part. I was really just sarcastically pouting! See you all at LIFE . . . . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:16 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: ne-raves BADGES! I'm sure you all have heard about the ne-raves badges that people who came to the pre-Sputnik party Taylor and I had got. Well, guess what! We're going to be taking orders for them over then net and sending them out to any of you ne-ravers who want them! What they look like (they hang from that ball/chain/lamp pull type stuff): FRONT -------- ------------------------- | | It's hard to describe this, but | | superimposed over the word CONNECT is | | the ne-raves logo, which is supposed to | | represent a computer network -- 4 circles | | (nodes) connected by lines. | C O N N E C T | | | | | | | | | | | | ne-raves@silver.lcs | This is actually the full address here. | | | | | ----------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | This little "window" is actually a piece | | | | of diffraction grating -- for raving fun! | | | | | | | | The whole front side is flourescent green | ----------------- | with black lettering. | | ------------------------- BACK -------- ------------------------- | | | R O | Between the words "Reach" and "out" there | | is a white label with black letters. On | | the first line is the name you want | E | to be called, the second is your email | | address, and the third is either your | | full name or your net/mail name. | A U | | | | | | C | | | | | | H T | | ----------------- | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | The whole back side is hot neon pink | ----------------- | with black lettering. | | ------------------------- TO ORDER ------ Send a message titled "NE-RAVES BADGE ORDER" to me at laura@usl.com . In it, include the following information: First name (or name you like to be called) email address (as given to ne-raves) Full name or net/mail name (for example, Damian's badge says Liquid Cooled Spherical Imaging here) Full Name Mailing Address I will collect orders for a while, and then Taylor and I will make badges in lots of about 15. When we get ready to do a lot I will contact everyone in that lot with instructions on how to remit payment. The cost will be $3.00 . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23 Oct 1992 15:08:04 -0400 (EDT) From: p r u n e Subject: Wannabe DJ Asks Good Questions Hy! I'm a DJ at a relatively large-sized student run college radio station in Rochester, NY (not to be confused with New York City, which is 8-9 hrs away by car, but years away in attitude). I'm trying to get a decent techno show on the air; unfortunately, I have a limited budget to work with. Therefore, I'm trying to obtain as much vinyl as possible through promo releases. Currently, the only house & techno that I have to work with is coming off of major labels :( , usually as CD releases (not very helpful if you want to beatmatch without the aid of expensive equipment). Understanding that the underground labels don't have the huge promotions budgets that A&M or Sony have, I'm nevertheless looking for addresses which I can write to so I can get my little sweaty hands on some steaming beats. ;^)=) Soooooo..... if you DJ types (particularly those who do radio shows) have any advice or any addresses to which I can write, send 'em along to my address (djd0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu). Incidentally, if you _are_ BTW, anyone have the address of the BPM list, as well as personal feelings concerning its usefulness? p r u n e RIT Roch. NY, home of Kodak, Jolt Cola, and many other artificial chemical substances. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Shamen & Utah Saints Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 15:42:15 -0400 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I thought that the Utah Saints were good (not awesome, but good). However, there were 2 things I didn't like--the drummer was kinda annoying, I think he could've been quite a bit quieter--I don't really like that speech thing over the music. Also, the last song, "Something Good", really sucked. It was like playing the CD, except it sounded really bad--like it was in a bad car stereo. The other songs were pretty good though. The Shamen were good/okay too. Not really that awesome though. I wouldn't go see them again though (unless they become really awesome again), seeing as this show was almost exactly like the last time they were here in February. Also, they had the same idiot drummer they had the last time--and he still hasn't learned how to fake playing the drums yet. Last time around he really pissed me off cause he was so awful (not even syncing to the beat), and I thought after 8 or 10 months he'd at least get that down--but he didn't. So I just watched him out of the corner of my eye , which made it seem like he was playing and enabled me to enjoy the show. Seeing as I can't dance anymore, I was kinda annoyed by the "moshy" crowd. Anyways, it was a good show. Aside: I come from an industrial background and have welcomed techno and ambient (ORB!) ish music with open arms... -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 17:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Lee Weaver Subject: Meat Beat Tour? Hi, I know I have asked some of you this before, but I really need to know. Is Meat Beat Manifesto touring in this country this year? If so, when and where? I've heard rumors that they are touring with Orbital. Obviously a killer show. Anyways, thanks for your time and maybe I'll see some of the people I met at the pre-rave at the Consolidated concert in Philadelphia this wednesday. Thanks, adam lee weaver [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23 Oct 1992 16:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: NYC tunnel mask-a-rave i've gotten a few replies from people who are interested in going to the tunnel next friday but don't know much about it...so, i figure i'd answer everyone here...and, in case there are others who want to go but haven't decided yet..or whatever...here's the info: NASA'S MIDNIGHT MASK-A-RAVE friday october 30th 1992 100% legal 11pm til the sun hurts DJ's ---- db on-e soul slinger dante jason jinx mr kleen guy dmc PLUS: ALTERN-8 AND MOBY LIVE $13 with pass before 11...$16 after midnight 530 w.27th st. NYC info: 1-800-4-rave-line 212-330-8233 301-783-5492 (baltimore, DC) i know there will be some ne-ravers there..myself, laura, john..and perhaps some others...if we don't figure out another meeting plan we'll at least be wearing our ne-raves badges... it'll be fun. s.w.f.t. (square wave fetish team) >>taylor808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 15:42:02 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: Re: pre-Sputnik rave afterthoughts i think this is an excellent idea, but i see a few problems with it.... #1- if this is a micro-rave, we obviously can't have ALL the people that would go to the actual rave come to our rave- we need greatly reduced numbers coming- how would we decide who is to come and who isn't? #2- we need a place to have this micro-rave at in each city. laura's place worked out excellently, but where will we find a place in each city? #3- would we need to coordinate with the actual people planning the rave as well? if so, we would need to plan with them months in advance and be in close contact with them.... but i think it's an awesome idea- it's almost a whole new concept in raving! the think that was so cool about sputnik was that i already knew a lot of people there from laura's party!! let's shoot this idea around some more..... e va n trEE "dildo! dildo! dildo! dildo! dildo! dildo! dildo! dildo! dildo! dildo! dildo!" "blurred afterimages of swirling colored lights...waving hands, moving body making sense...discovering the reason for hardcore...can't stop want to GO!" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: bold Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 17:53:04 EDT late posting i just got in to worcester today and found a stack of bold flyers on my front porch...i have hundreds of letters i gotta read to, but i will do this first bold and mike n cordially invite you to be taken away with dave trance surreal james christian micro dante madre live hardcore dx-13 sat oct 24th midnite til 8am 8 bucks 6 bucks with invite (i got tons if you can locate me) info (508) 792-1041 free with bold i.d. well, its the best i could do...sorry so late...if i only had a modem at home... becca happy to be back on the net!!!!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: industrial roots Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 18:18:48 EDT hey, i was one of those "industrial chicks" too... infact, thats how i met john, our dear founder, one nite at manray...pretty cool, eh? i still listen to it, and i think in a matter of hours i am heading out to see KMFDM, that is, if my ride ever calls me... becca overwhelmed by a weeks buildup of mail!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 17:27:00 EST Subject: MOBY, MANIX....Detroit??? Does anybody know about show in Detroit, with MOBY, I need the flier info. urgently, please! Thanks TAREQ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 13:29 PDT From: "Your friend, Mike {!)" Subject: sorry guys please take me off the neraves list for now. I am juggling too many coasts at once, and I don't have time (or the knowledge) to reply and contribute fully. Hopefully I will later on. But to my brothers and sisters on the east coast--rave on and keep the peace! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 18:39:46 EST Subject: Re: DIRECTIONS TO BOLD -- SATURDAY NIGHT -- $5 wowie zowie! bold is at WAG??? (worcester artist group, the usual punk hang out) anyway, just in case you're coming on 290 west, the westboro/rte9 exit is actually 17.. 18 coming from east, 17 coming from west. messed up.. but that's worcester for ya. anyway, wag is good size, should be cool. se y'alll there! donato :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Meat Beat Tour? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 18:35:20 +0100 From: ndc@engin.umich.edu your message: > I know I have asked some of you this before, but I really need to > know. Is Meat Beat Manifesto touring in this country this year? If so, > they're coming to detroit november 13 so they'll no doubt be out on the east coast. the ad i saw had no mention of orbital though. that may be, however, due to the fact that this was a very tiny ad for stuff coming up in the far future. andy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Andrew C Crosby Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 18:54:32 EDT Subject: roots of techno well i never was really into industrial, it always sounded too boring to me or something. i listened to tangerine dream constantly from about 6th grade on, then slowly worked into rap and what little house i could find (since in those youthful days i had a cassette player only and no clue about any underground form of music) eventually i found the industrial hip-hop groove within meat beat and consolidated, and by then was old enough to drive to record stores where i started finding/buying more and more techno and house. i remember my older cousin playin kraftwerk for me once in 5th grade at christmas, i was a computer addict then too so it thrilled me to be all electronic but i never found it in stores. anyway andy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23 Oct 1992 17:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: pre-rave raves the only problem with doing promoted (which means, open to the publik) pre-rave raves.. is that as soon as you open it up to the publik like that it becomes much harder to control. the beauty of laura's party was its intimacy. and it was a nice time for us to all get together and meet for the first time in a nice, relaxing atmosphere... it's a good idea..but i don't think we should compare it to laura's party.. however, pre-rave gatherings for ne-ravers before raves is ALWAYS a cool idea. i mean, there are around 175 ne-ravers...and only 24 of them were at laura's ravette..there's still a lot more ne-people that haven't met..however, even putting on a "small" party like laura's was a lot of work...it will take somebody as generous as laura was to do it again..hopefully someone will have the time..(i'm sure we're all fairly generous and willing) and energy to do it again because it was rather successful and fun... s.w.f.t. (square wave fetish team) >> taylor 909 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 04:48:45 -0400 From: wolf@newfoundland.rs.itd.umich.edu Subject: JOURNEY TO THE HARDCORE REVIEW Just back from the show in Detroit and it was kickin like a mule. I showed up [late] just in time to catch the end of d. wynn throwing down an all detroit set to a capacity crowd (1000-3000 people i don't know). 10 multi- color intellibeams and one wild green laser which was passed though a sheet of gauze hanging from the ceiling to the wall 100 yards back. The direction and intensity of the beam were programmable and it was used to make geometric shapes and draw cartoons! oh the location is a converted theater on woodward between downtown and the art museum. true detroit architecture right out back: a seven story burnt out building. the show was divided into Techno in the main theater and house in an upstairs bowling alley (!) Most house is new to me and it was a real grooving place to chill when the techno got too pounding. Back to the main event. After D wynn came Blake Baxter who was befuddled by technical glitches and had to give up before he got into it. Following him was Manix a KMS rave 'band' which consisted of one guy prompting 'make some noise' 'detroit' 'put your hands in the air' yeah yeah we've heard it all before and another guy hitting the low notes on a sampler. Skip up to the house room and people are slithering on the floor. wild. back down in time to catch Richie Hawtin of +8 spin supremely obscure bleepy science fiction getting the crowd worked for the surprise DJ Jeff Mills, a true turntable artist who can drop in a single beat on time. He made the headliner Moby who came on next look like a showman albeit the highest energy one I've ever seen. Moby took the bpm from 60-240 and back and had the crowd shaking it. Right after Moby the legend in of himself Kevin Saunderson took control and brought the beats around to a housier side of techno, but by this time I was ready to pass out so hopefully someone else can post on Juan Atkins and Underground Resistance. For the rumor mill Jeff Mills _has_ left UR but I still don't know if local DJ Alan Oldham has actually uh, filled his shoes (good luck!) now i must go to sleep.. . . . - fred fwolf@um.cc.umich.edu - [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 09:31:14 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (get me off of this english roundabout) Subject: direction correction If you are driving to BOLD tonight -- It's exit ** 10 ** off of the Mass Pike. It's exit ** 17 ** off of I-290. I was given incorrect directions. /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu \/ The next time we have sex, pretend I'm Ed Meese! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 09:48:25 -0400 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: Journey to the Hardcore I just got back from detroit and figured I'd give you all a review of tonight. But Fred already summed it up pretty well. Moby astounded me with super-high-energy. Manix and the first live act (Blake something- I forget the name) were fun but were somewhat cheezy with all the screaming "Detroit! Let's make some motherfuckin' noise... All the ladies in the house-scream! All the boys-make some noise!" Whatever. It was cool, though. Everyone grooved. The laser/light show was intense. The bowling alley area was a mellow place to hang out under purple lights and housey techno. Jeff Mills was my favorite dj, cranking the stuff that really keeps me moving. This thing truly was a journey to the hardcore and a great time was had by all until... we got back to my friend's car at 4am and it had been broken into. They smashed a rear door window, ripped out the back seat to get into the trunk and stole lots of stuff out of it. At least they left us the car ;) Well, that was my first trip to Detroit and it lived up to its reputation. But even the owner of the car was glad we went. Off to bed, Marla. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 25 Oct 1992 12:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: liquid sky hey...does anyone know why Liquid Sky in NYC CLOSED DOWN!?!?!?!?!?!?!? this really really really sucks...maybe they're just moving to another location but there weren't any signs in the windows indicating so... this also seems rather sudden. if anyone knows anything, i'd love to hear.. s.w.f.t. (square wave fetish team) >> taylor (808 kick wave) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: JOURNEY TO THE HARDCORE REVIEW Date: Sun, 25 Oct 92 16:16:24 +0000 From: ndc@engin.umich.edu fwolf@um.cc.umich.edu writes: > detroit set to a capacity crowd (1000-3000 people i don't know). 10 multi- actually a sign on the wall said capacity was 520!! good thing the fire department didn't show! :^) > color intellibeams and one wild green laser which was passed though a sheet > of gauze hanging from the ceiling to the wall 100 yards back. The direction > and intensity of the beam were programmable and it was used to make > geometric shapes and draw cartoons! oh the location is a converted theater i thought the designs from the laser were kinda drab. it looked cool, but c'mon, pictures of presidents and flying eagles? it seemd like they used some stock laser program instead of making cool rave designs. i've used that stuff before and you can do some crazy psychadelic things. ===== the rest of my review.. i got there at the end of inxomniak's set, his was pretty standard stuff, i really didn't hear much of it and i had to pee really bad. so things were ok, the crowd was pretty big, etc.. 2120 (claude young) played a pretty cool set with a lot of typical detroit hard stuff, it wasn't spectacular but i was with it.. the sound system was pretty good, i noticed at this point, though i thought it might be a little too crowded in the dance floor. the main problem i had with this: the mc who said "let me hear you make some motherfuckin noise!" during every damn song was really really really annoying. he was drowning out the music and and subtlety in the mixing was completely lost. actually, he only shut up during the later sets, and even then would still yell the same lame boring shit that anyone could do. blake baxter sounded pretty lame to me, the mc he had, tommy d, was even more annoying than the guy who talked all night. why can't any of these artists play music without having to get some idiot yellin 'go dj go dj' over and over? it adds to the music if it's done subtly, but when they never shut up it takes away from it, imho. manix i thought sounded pretty good, the guy didn't yell as much with them, and i liked the music. the best sets came after them, richie rich spun some incredible ambient detroit acid stuff, like dbx (and a lot of new +8 stuff, suprise surpise) which was cool, and he was followed by jeff mills who spun the hardest fastest coolest set i've ever heard. intense. moby, was pretty crazy, but i thought it was sorta boring. i'm sick of that damn go song, and he played it three times.. ugh. i went upstairs during kevin saunderson's set, the house was dope. nobdy was slithering though, it was way cool, the music was fonky, and the dj's struck me as being a lot more skilled, doing scratching and stuff. nice, then i headed back down in time for underground resistance. this set was more impressive than their last appearance. alan oldham was indeed spinning while the other two (mike banks and rob noise?) were working the samplers. they also had an mc with a riot gear face mask on, it was pretty cool, fonky, fast intense and ambient as they played some of the acidjazz stuff from world 2 world. all in all, pretty damn good. juan atkins set was really nice, sort of progressive house or whatever, he stayed away from the hard and kept things smooth and melodic, i really enjoyed that set. then they turned the lights on and we checked out... overall (if you're still reading! :^) ) i thought it was pretty cool, but the incessant mc yelling during the dj's sets was really intrusive at times. it was worse than the shows on 96.3, iswear. it seemed to me that a lot of people were not relaly getting into the music because it was a convcert setting, like everyone was dancing in between sets but they were still trying to get closer to the stage, and everyone was fuckin facing the same way. it seemed a little bizarre, less like a huge dance and more like a concert with a hyped up crowd. but these are just my opinions on what it should've been like, i preferred the smaller splat and klonk events i think, just because everyone was more into the music and less concerned about "Is that moby? who's that behind That keyboard? " and that kinda stuff. sorry to write so much andy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 18:50:15 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Pre-raves Here's some of my thoughts about a moving city-to-city pre-rave. Location I was thinking of a resturant, bar with private rooms. There's a place in DC where we can get a room for $100-150 w/bartender. If I did some more research I think I may be able to come up with a cheaper, and better location. I like the idea of a dance studio or art gallery between shows. I think we would have to enforce a NO ALCOHOL POLICY to use a studio/gallery. Promotion & Size We should do promotion for the pre-raves over the nets. Invites to ne-ravers and their friends. I'd like for these pre-raves to be small. If they got to big, they will just be like going to the raves. If we pass out flyers at raves/techno clubs, they should be information about subscribing to ne-raves. This way we can bring new people into the group. How much to charge? I think we should charge enough to cover expenses. I'm in it for the fun of the rave scene. I think it's been the best scene to come around in years, and I don't want ruin it by setting up mechanisms to argue about money. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 18:49:11 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: UNCONVENTION Saturday night turned out to be a *interesting*. The Fifth Coluvm nightclub in DC hosted something called UNCOVENTION. This was a political event for the club people. Fifth Coluvm bartender/1992 Presidential candidate led the Pledge of Allegiance. It was sponsored by Rock the Vote, with their all too familiar "Hey MTV generation, it's hip to vote theme." The evening featured a fashion show with transvestie club kids as models. Sounds pretty stupid. The reason I was there was for the music. Jimmy Crash and Lenny D. were the guest DJ's. Although the club host Techno night on Monday, it was the first time it experienced the Brooklyn HarDCore. The usual crowd for the Fifth Colvmn is a mix of clueless suburbanites and Eurotrash. Christian Wolff, the club's usual DJ plays mostly house stuff. Needless to say, they were a bit bewildered by the music. Crash and Lenny D had to take turns playing between sets of Christian Wolff. The crowd could not handle non-stop harDCore. It was the first time I've really enjoyed harDCore. Ususally at the raves, one harDCore DJ follows another. It gets too monotnous. However, when you follow harDCore with house, the music's energy does a serious downward nosedive. I have a better appreciation for harDCore now. The core group of DC ravers showed up. These were some of the same people who were at Sputnik last weekend. So when Lenny D and Crash would play we took over half of the dance floor and started raving. The club people knew something was going on because we looked and danced differently. They appeared to be scratching their heads. It was weird because I'm used to raving with ravers. Club people and ravers don't seem to mix well. My perception is that club people are still stuck in the 80's. Some seemed to be enjoying the Techno, so maybe they will give their Armani- imitation suits and Calvin Klein dresses to the Salvation Army and adopt the rave culture. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 15:05 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Hail Just joined the list and I wanted to say hello. (Thanks to Rob Campanell for showing me how to join!) I'm curious to know if there are any others out there who are creating Techno/ Rave music, especially those who might be able to offer advice on how to distribute songs so that as wide of an audience as possible can enjoy them. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | |\/\/\/| | | | | Eric McCormick | | | | | | | (x)(-) 0004775674@mcimail.com | | C _) | | !| ,___| | | | / "Improving life through perfect code." | | /____\ | | / \ | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 10:51 EST From: Subject: Re: Hail Well, I'm not creating techno/rave yet, but I am interested in what kind of setup anyone can recommend for doing so...so far, some have recommended Atari's , but I have heard(and seen) some Mac II setups for creating the stuff... -Sean LeBlanc -The world's a hell, what does it care what happens in it? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 12:21:40 -0500 From: Michael Ray Roberts Subject: club/rave > Its was weird because I'm used to raving with ravers. Club > people and ravers don't seem to mix well..... If you want to "rave" with "ravers" in club go to Citrus Club at Orpheus in Baltimore on Friday nights. The Scene is True. I suggest you stay away from the political, fassion conscious, alcohol infested, dark and dingy clubs of Washington. They won't be here next year!!! Baltimore is in the House TekGuru proton@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 17:25 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: Equipment Setup It really all depends on how much you want to spend for a system. A regular old Mac SE you can get for about $900.. same for the Mac Classics. The software would run you probably $300-$500 depending on what you wanted it to do. Mastertracks Pro and Vision are popular Mac sequencing packages that are within that price range. A Mac MIDI Interface will run you about $90. As far as other gear, you would want some kind of sampler.. about $900 up to $2500 for the better samplers with lots of RAM. You can pay up to $10000 for a well-equipped Emulator III from e-mu systems. The REAL money comes when you start to think about how you want to multi- track the vocals and other things. Unless you make the bucks, you will want to take your Mac, Sampler, and maybe a keyboard or two to a studio that has a 16 or 24 track tape recorder. A good 16 Track tape recorder and proper mixer to go with it would be about $40,000. Then you need outboard gear (reverbs, delays, flangers, etc.) The list goes on and on. To give you an example of what works well for me, I have a Mac SE with Mastertracks Pro software, a Korg M1 keyboard, and an Alesis HR-16 drum machine. If you were to buy these things new today it would be about $2800 worth of stuff. Using the Mac and the M1/HR-16 percussion, I can pretty well prototype how I want my song to sound. Then, I take the M1 and Mac to the studio where my Mastertracks Pro talks with the engineer's Atari running the same software. We take the samples I want off of DAT and right into his samplers there. I then replace most of the M1 sounds with drum samples that I like better. (The M1 has been around for over 3 years and people are pretty bored of the sounds by now. I like to keep things new and different.) For $30/Hour it's really more cost effective than trying to buy all of the stuff that they have in the studio. Having the Mac sequencer at home, I can get all of the base tracks of my song (Bass, Percussion, Hits) all out of the way without paying a PENNY to do these things in the studio. So all that is left to do there is replace some sounds with samples, put in vocals and other effects, and mix the tracks back to DAT for pressing. In Techno music there are alot of fun electronic sounds that people make with Analog synths like the older Oberheims, etc. You can pick up alot of these cool sounding synths for $200-$600. Definitely check your local music want ads. Beware, though, some are from the pre-MIDI days and you might have a heck of a time syncing the sounds up to your sequence if you don't have the chops to fly it live to tape in the studio. (I have to be really coherent to do that and I've been playing the keyboard for 19 years.) Hope this helps you get an idea of things that you can do at home. +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | |\/\/\/| | | | | Eric McCormick | | | | | | | (o)(o) 0004775674@mcimail.com | | C _) | | | ,___| | | | / "Improving life through perfect code." | | /____\ | | / \ | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 13:13:00 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: Re: Equipment Setup so how much can one do with a computer alone? when i get a new computer (some time in the next year...), i'm planning to do what i can to make it useful for making music, but i can't afford much. that is, i have neither the time nor the talent to think that i can ever make back my expenditures commercially, and, as a poor student, i can hardly go out and by all kinds of equipment. so what i want to know is: can i do most of everything on a computer without needing a hardware synth, drum machine, sampler, sequencer, mixer? i'd need a source for sounds - perhaps sound libraries (they exist for the NeXT for one thing, i'm pretty sure), and i'd need to be able to record into the computer for sampling purposes, and i'd need, at some point, to go to stereo output. how doable is this? by the way, i'm making real low-budget music right now. i have an old Korg Poly-800II for a synth and a Boss DR-550 drum machine. that's it. no DAT, no mixer, no sequencer (except on the Korg, ha ha), no sampler. even so, i've produced some things that i'm quite happy with. of course, with a little more equipment... mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 26 Oct 1992 13:41:39 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: musik and gear i've got to run to class now, and don't ave much time to chat...however, this new discussion about making music is right up my alley and i'm very interested in participating and helping out.. i've beed doing electronik music for about 8 years and over the past year or so gotten into a lot of techno. my current setup includes: macIIsi running MOTU's performer Emax HD sampler roland jupiter-6 synth roland sh-101 synth roland mks-30 synth roland tr-808 drum machine roland tr-707 drum machine kawai k-4 synth korg ex-800 synth kawai xd-5 drum synth i'm also working on setting up a NON-MIDI system.. using pulse and analog sequencing with my 808 and other analog stuff...i'll be writing a column in the ephemeral net-zine "assemblage" about it. so, i hope we can have a cool little discussion here...taling about synths and stuff just geeks the hell outta me.. :) >> taylor 808 s.w.f.t. (square wave fetish team) :::::tod3253@acfcluster.nyu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 15:13:25 -0500 From: jeff@ursa-major.spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic) Subject: Re: Equipment Setup mike writes: >so how much can one do with a computer alone? ... >so what i want to know is: can i do most of everything on a computer >without needing a hardware synth, drum machine, sampler, sequencer, mixer? >i'd need a source for sounds You can recreate all these devices using good software. For the Mac, there are shareware apps which allow you to use the comp as any of the above devices. Of course, they aren't usually as good as the commercial software, but the prices are much lower. And support is minimal - you might have to learn to live with some bugs, or learn a thing or two about programming. As far as sounds goes, there are more sampled sounds out there than you could ever hope to listen to, and there are even freely available plans for an inexpensive stereo input device that you can build yourself (aka the SID). I'm sure that there's similar sw out there for Amigas (and probably (blech) PCs). Me, I love my Mac *and* my NeXT, but the NeXT is definately *not* a low-cost platform! tchau, Jeff [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 26-OCT-1992 18:34:49.11 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Boldly going this weekend was a very intersting one. Went up to visit a frined at Simmons in Boston and on Friday went to the Loft. The location was pretty good, but I think they are attracting to many people with the wrong ideas. Examples: walking up to their we got approached by four people, thre girls and a guy who asked "Hey do you know where the Loft is?" Sure we said and they followed. They were BU freshman and they didn't have passes... but what the hell were they going for I soon wondered. The guy said he didn't like techno and then asked if they served alcohol. Then we waited in line. Never have I waited so long to get into a place. There was a guy about 35-ish in front of us and we talked to him a little. He said he had heard of the place at work, and why was he going? "I heard there are more girls than guys..." Then my friend asked him if he had gone to any raves. The guy replied "Yeah Ive heard of that place, what's it like?" so meatmarket on one hand and bar on the other. But we got inside and luckily the scene was better than that. There were two floors, one house and one breakbeat (pure. I've never been to a club that only played breakbeat). It was pretty racially segregated, with most blacks on the house floor, whites on the breakbeat floor. Altho I've stated before that I don't love breakbeat, I really liked that which they were pumpin' out. My only complaint was the speed hovered around 155 BPM most of the nite and I like to do more than just jerk to music, thank you. And that building has got to be violating fire codes. The floor literally *swayed* under the weight of the crowd. Overall tho it was pretty cool. On Saturday we went to Manray at 12 for my first time only to have it close at one. Not to mention Mayhem wasn't around. There were two floors, one industrial which was playing the "same old shit as I hear at any industrial club" style, and the techno floor was just lame period. Maybe six people dancing. But the nite was redeemed. The coatcheck woman asked if we were heading to Bold afterwards. It had totally slipped my mind, but she gave us directions and we had a car. Got there at 2 AM (thank god the clocks changed back that nite). It was really easy to find our way there, unlike them Providence things At the door were none other than Becca and Laura of ne-raves fame. (Thanx for the discount, guys.) Overall the music was pretty cool. It was breakbeat when we got there and got progressively harder, then pulled back... a good mix of the two main styles. The crowd was small, maybe 300... probably even smaller than my McRave thing but it was definitely a good crowd. Also the volume was very low at first (I'm used to feeling bass) but got progressively louder. The pause in the nite was for the band DX-13 to play. Man these guys were fucking HARDCORE. Intense mindblowing shit. Goddamn, I never heard an American group do it right before. I asked the guy afterwards and he said they'd have a 12" out on Industrial Strength in two weeks. GET IT. It is so muthafukkin' cool... I danced in front of the speaker for their whole set, it was so lovely. Two song questions tho... I tried to ask Micro about a song he played but the dick just ignored me, as did his E-shirt friend. It was on Industrial Strength and had a part that went (I'm doing this just because I mUst): "Boop-adoop Boop adoop Boop Budubudubududbu bu doop ba doop doop" Anyone know it? :) I also heard something that sounded like Insider's "Destiny" at 300 BPM at the end of the DX-13 set. Was that their song, or Micro's? Anyway I also talked to John and Camper while there. It was cool to meet you guys again. Was anyone else there? Me and my friends left about 4.45, during Dante's mindfuck acid set... I wish we hadn't left. It seems I'm always missing him. I go to NASA he's in the chill room, I leave SR before he comes on... bah. Dante is the MAN. That's all I can say. The aural equivalent of acid. (Sorry about the rambling style. I'm a bit fucked in the head since I'm about to flunk out of school.) --Mr. Sparkle "goes down sweet, makes a ravelicious treat" kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Fifth Colvmn From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (inhuman inhuman) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 18:57:53 EST Yeah, I had a similar experience at Fifth Column a couple weeks ago when they had their little "Project X" party (with the NY mags staff and stuff). I went with a bunch of friends, most of whom had never been to a club before and were clueless, but sort of danced rave-style anyway. It was a slow night to begin with and when my seven friends and I showed up we totally dominated the dance floor with all the club types in their wacky outfits looking way confused. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "Find serenity in chaos, seek ye the eye of the hurricane." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 20:19:20 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: test testtesttest testtesttest i wonder if this will get through the aliens have got me and they are forcing me to listen to shit techno test test test [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 20:38:22 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: song IDs from Venus's Shamen/Utah Saints show out of curiosity: does anyone who was there know what song was played just before didgeridoo? i ask mainly because it uses the same "go!" sample that moby used in (you guessed it) "go". and does anyone know what the first song played after the utah saints was? i can't really hum it or ascii it, but it was sort of simple/minimal. (what a help, i know) thanks, mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu (michael j darweesh) Subject: Re: song IDs from Venus's Shamen/Utah Saints show Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 22:55:01 EST > out of curiosity: > > does anyone who was there know what song was played just before > didgeridoo? i ask mainly because it uses the same "go!" sample that moby > used in (you guessed it) "go". > and does anyone know what the first song played after the utah saints was? > i can't really hum it or ascii it, but it was sort of simple/minimal. > (what a help, i know) If its the same song that they played first in Tornoto, then it was "Possible Worlds". They had a laser image of the planet in the background for us. Unfortunately, the show in Toronto sounded more like Ambient Rap than Techno. I was disapointed with the Shamen. The Utah Saints were cool though. I peeked at the mixer board. It was scarey how many channels were marked "D.A.T.". Also, the tweeter nearest us went out early in the show. :-< -Mike Mike Darweesh darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu "The things, you say... Your purple prose just gives you away. The things, you say... You're unbelievable." -EMF [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 23:11:51 EST Subject: Re: Boldly going YES, bold was quite BOLD. not that i've been to many raves (4 or 5 i guess), but this definitely had the best music overall. INfuckinTENSE. i was the guy wearin 3.5" diskette around my neck that said NE-RAVER on it. it's the next best thing for a ne-raves stamp before i get laura's ne-raves ID thingie, which i was able to sample first hand. way cool laura! (and taylor808 too? hats off to both a ya!) krieg, becca mentioned you were there, but failed to mention which was you. all she had to say was you were the guy with the meat beat shirt, so i saw you anyway. also, i thought it was a cool place for a rave, if they could just fix the power problem; was going out every half hour at the beginning. oh yeah, nice lighting too! and krieg, why did you go to manray??? someone lie and tell you it was cool or something? :) see all at LIFE ! donato :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 26-OCT-1992 23:24:16.84 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Boldly going >and krieg, why did you go to manray??? someone lie and tell you >it was cool or something? :) yeah, what was the deal? Is it normaly worthwhile, or am I just clueles? You see, I'm a New York boy in the club sense, I used to go to Boston just to shop in their awesome record stores. :) So is Manray just shite period? Am I missing the point? Why is life so cruel to the young? --Mr.Sparkle 100% Perservative-Enriched McRave Power, Prepackaged [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: ?'s from a rave virgin... Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 00:03:27 EST From: Ludwig van Duane Greetings all. I have been monitoring the happenings of this list for over a week, and I just have a few basic questions that I'm sure some of you excellent raver-types can help me with... First of all, my musical interests began in techno-rock (my term for Depeche Mode(still my favorite band), OMD, Camouflage, New Order, etc.) and then progressed into Industrial via NIN (of course), Skinny Puppy, Ministry, and the Ebb. However, I find today's techno often difficult to find, other than the mainstream stuff like "O Fortuna" "Sesame's..." etc. Where do I look/listen? Any sweet radio shows here in Boston? Further, how does one classify techno -- I've heard of hardcore, breakbeat, acid, and a few others. Which groups exemplify which? Finally, what rave events are upcoming aside from the one on Nov. 7, which happens to be an extremely conflictive evening for me?? *sigh* I'm totally psyched to check out the scene as soon as possible. I was at the UT Saints/Shamen show, but I know it can be better than that! Thanks for your expertise... ######\ ( ) /###### -#########// |\^^/| \\#########- -###########// (@::@) \\###########- /############(( \\// ))############\ -###############\\ (oo) //###############- -#################\\ / ** \ //#################- -######/-\[^]-:/:-[^]-:/-[^]-:\:-[^]-:\:-[^]-\######- _#/|####<=---=====---=====---=====---=====---=>####|\#_ |/|#/\#<<^> Dweign! <^>>#/\#| \| ' |/ V<<^> detlev@athena.mit.edu <^>>V \| ' <=---=====---=====---=====---=====---=> \-[^]-:\:-[^]-:\:-[^]-:/:-[^]-:/:-[^]-/ __\ | | | | /__ (vvv(VVV)(VVV)vvv) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: blynch@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Kemble) Subject: ManRay Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 0:42:14 EST > >and krieg, why did you go to manray??? someone lie and tell you > >it was cool or something? :) > > yeah, what was the deal? Is it normaly worthwhile, or am I just clueles? > You see, I'm a New York boy in the club sense, I used to go to Boston just > to shop in their awesome record stores. :) > > So is Manray just shite period? > Am I missing the point? > Why is life so cruel to the young? Well ManRay used to be cool, in my opinion, but recently it's getting lame .. in the rear is still the standard angsty industrial dance tunes, which I can deal with .. but in front is now INCREDIBLY LAME dancy SHIT! .. Linda Lawrence used to spin, and Michael used to do lights .. although Linda played largely popular commercial techno I was into it cuz I was (and basically still am) just getting into the whole technorave scene .. she didn't mix much, but I enjoyed it. And Michale (who was also a DJ) KNEW the tunes and KNEW the light board. But Linda left .. no clue why .. and was replaced by Mr. Housey shitty dance music Rich La Due .. he can't spin for crap, likes to litter the mix with dead air, and in general just SUCKS! .. nothing against house, he just finds crap to play. My theory is that this is in line with ManRays attempts to somehow change their clientel .. seems like they want richer more trendy people there .. I don't get it .. cuz the industrial stuff seems hardcore as ever .. but the front room is now lame .. This is all Saturdays though .. I don't know who spins on Fridays .. I went to the KMFDM show last Friday and it was cool! Chris (who's usually spinning industrial in back) was in front and playing a decent mix of popular techno and industrial .. he kept people moving very well .. as opposed to Rich who couldn't get anyone to dance until about 11:30pm and then it wasn't very much. Anyways anyone going on Fridays? Is that at least worth it? Who spins? And now I must apologize for the following: 1.) Producing far more than my share of negative energy in a positive environment 2.) Chatting incessently about topics that people in the area are already aware of and people not in the area don't care about 3.) The length of the post 4.) The cruelty of life of the young reach out - connect .. 8^) Jon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 03:00:08 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: Re: ManRay > >And now I must apologize for the following: > >4.) The cruelty of life of the young > but how do you know when you're young and when you're old, and while the cruelty of life of the young is VERY bad, how come all the "old" people want to be "young" again?? huh? huh? e va n trEE p.s.- just a little off the rave topics [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 06:27:09 -0500 From: Craig M. Kanarick Subject: Manray again... > > >and krieg, why did you go to manray??? someone lie and tell you > > >it was cool or something? :) > > > > yeah, what was the deal? Is it normaly worthwhile, or am I just clueles? > > You see, I'm a New York boy in the club sense, I used to go to Boston just > > to shop in their awesome record stores. :) > > > Well ManRay used to be cool, in my opinion, but recently it's getting 'used' to be, indeed. Has it been "cool" over the past few years? I remember when Manray used to have excellent ads on 'FNX about how alternative they were, etc. This must have been about 1987 or so. The ads used to say things like "no acid wash, no designer clothes...blah blah blah". Well, a friend of mine and I went one night and when he saw someone in an Izod shirt, he went to the front and asked for his money back, claiming that an Izod was hardly alternative. Sure enough, they gave him his money back. > And now I must apologize for the following: > > 1.) Producing far more than my share of negative energy in a positive > environment > 2.) Chatting incessently about topics that people in the area are > already aware of and people not in the area don't care about Me too. :-) Can't wait for LIFE... -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 08:56 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: BOLD rumors Sorry if this has already been posted, but I haven't logged in in a few days and I wanted to get this out ASAP: I heard last Saturday that the date for LIFE in Boston has been moved to November 14. The reason for this is because of a problem with the location. Someone (not Debo) had a party at the location last weekend and it promptly got busted. So, LIFE is looking for a new, safer home. This is all I know . . . . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:22 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Boldly going Kreig writes: >The crowd was small, maybe 300... probably The official paid count that Becca and I were keeping said 162. If you add in the people who lived there and the people who were working there there were right about 200 total. >Me and my friends left >about 4.45, during Dante's mindfuck acid set... I wish we hadn't left. It >seems I'm always missing him. I go to NASA he's in the chill room, I leave >SR before he comes on... bah. You shouldn't have left --- Dante gave proof that he is god of trance: he mixed in This Mortal Coil's "Firebrothers" with some techno trance. And it wasn't just a sample -- he actually had the vinyl for _Filigree and Shadow_ on one of the turntables. Oh happy happy joy joy. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 10:14:07 -0500 Subject: Re: musik and gear oh cool...at school we have a MIDI lab that is equiped with Mac LCs I believe and Korg M1s. The M1s are fun synths but they don't let you alter any of the sounds or anything in the system. The Macs are running Vision for sequencing. I've never used this sequencer before, but I love it from what I've seen of it. The quantizing is some of the best I've seen anywhere. I personally have a yamaha 4-op synth...and a Kawai K1-II I use an Atari ST running Dr. T's KCS for sequencing. It's minimal equipment, but I can get a lot of sounds out of it. I really need a sampler though...any suggestions? I was thinking of an Akai s900... -d^2 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 10:28 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: REPOST from alt.rave: list address for MINNESOTA raves Look what I found in alt.rave: From: ivan@staff.tc.umn.edu (Ivan W. Hyde) Subject: Minnesota RAVE List Keywords: Minnesota Minneapolis Saint Paul Twin Cities Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu Organization: (n) The process of becoming an organ. Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 05:37:33 GMT Lines: 32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RAVE LIST RAVE LIST RAVE LIST RAVE LIST RAVE LIST RAVE LIST RAVE LIST -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings!! As some of you MN ravers may already know, I have been maintaining a list for people who want to know when and where RAVES will be happening in Minnesota. Since the RAVE scene is just starting to hit MN and is exploding at such a fast pace, I will keep a list going for computer/non-computer people to be on to find out about these events as they materialize! All ya need to do, to get on this list is contact me via email ivan@staff.tc.umn.edu) or call me at (612) 331-9274. There are people already on the list from all over Minnesota. Hope to see ya all at the RAVE this Wednesday night! Rave On! -Ivan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 10:35 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 27 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Wednesday, October 28 THE QUARRY Union City (??) NJ (201) - 947 - 6494 In an ever continuing quest to eliminate the predicatble nonsensicle club scene that exists in NJ, Eddie L is proud to present the opening of Underground Wednesdays at The Quarry. Come experience the best variety of house, tribal, trance, ambient, rave, and HardCore techno. Doors open at 9.00 pm, 21 & over, admission $5.00 Spinning in the Rave Cave -- Hypertech (NJ Rave Possee) along w/house DJ Renegade (a man on a mission) SmartBar by Heather Heather (something for your mind) MC Mark Mays Directions: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 30 MASK-A-RAVE New York City Ooops, I deleted the copy of the flyer that Taylor posted. Anyway, this is being put on by NASA but it will be at the Tunnel (27th St.) rather than at the Shelter (Hudson St.). It starts at 11.00 pm and goes until whenever. The cost is $13 with a flyer and $16 without. Come in costume and groove to the sounds of Dante, ON-E, Soul Slinger, and a few other DJ's whose names escape me. Also, Moby and Altern-8 are supposed to be there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 Catastrophic's M A S Q U E R A V E Sat. October 31st Tribal Trance Don't forget your costume! 12 Hour Rave 10pm to 10am Cover $15.00 Line Up - Main Room and Chillout Area: Scott Henry - DC Suz-E Cyclone - DC Nate - DC LG - Balt Bobble - Balt Wink - Philly Debo - Boston Onionz - L.I. Micro - L.I. Dante - L.I. James Christian - L.I. Jimmy Crash - Brooklyn Adam X - Brooklyn Repete - Manhatten Guest DJ's -- Mac De Hey (Holland), Jean Phileppe (Tribal Set) Live Performance by MERJE TICKET INFO: Tickets will be sold at Music Now, 806 F St. NW (Phone: 202-638-3272) from Monday 10/26 through Friday 10/30, and Saturday 10/31 from 4pm to 2 am. GENERAL INFO: 703 - 971 - 4555 Catastropic's Largest LIght and Sound Production -- Intellabeams * Emulators * Colorpros * Dataflash * Visuals by I-Beam Wizard Michael Meacham. Special Thanks To: All the Catastrophic Kids and everyone who makes it a reality! BUSS TRIPS: Manhatten -- Nicke & Papa - 917-986-5970 Long Island -- Liz, Bea & Laura - 516-968-8342 Boston -- Mindwarp - 617-266-1987 Pittsburgh -- Turbozen (Dario) - 412-621-7759 Philadelphia -- 215-592-8481 New Jersey -- Michael & Chressy - 908-727-6527 Speed Raver & Raver X - 703 - 971 - 4555 Upcoming Raves: Nov. 28th & New Year's Eve Rave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 UFO New York City Astro Erle, Sean O., and Robby C. invite you to put on your anti-gravity boots and fly to freedom at U(nified) F(reaks) O(rbiting in space) Saturday nights . . . . join your favorite freaks -- orbit a new planet 4am till we land back to reality super DJ Keoki door: Walt Paper 323 West Broadway (between Canal St. & Grand St.) $5 w/pass $8 w/out ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 FLUID New York City (516) - 862 - 7907 This Groove Is Universal Sounds of the future by: Frankie Bones Jimmy Crash James Christian Heather Heather Space Ace Saturday, November 7, 11pm - 7am Purchase tickets in advance to ensure entry. Southern State to exit 35 (Wellwood ave,), after exiting, make a left and go to the first light and make a right on to Edison Ave, go several blocks until you reach Dale St, make a left 80a Dale St. Call (516) - 862 - 7907 for more info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 POWER-RAVE 92 Pittsburgh, PA (412) - 621 - 7759 Turbo Zen Records Presents P O W E R R A V E 9 2 Friday, November 13, 1992 -- 11 PM to 5 AM $8 Advance Tickets -- $10 at the Door Tickets Available at: Turbo Zen Records / 128 Oakland Ave. / 3rd Floor 412-621-7759 INFO-LINE 412-213-3001 FAX FOR YOU PLEASURE * Multi-flavored Smart Bar * Phree 3-D LaserRave glasses with every advance purchase! * Conciousness altering visual-spacial environment manipulation * Special treets and toyz for the good girls and boys! * Tuff bass ballistics to put the boom in yer juice! * Candyloop ravewear by React * 100% Extra-sweetend vibe 1) Richie Hawtin (Plus 8 Records / Detroit) 2) Adam X -- Heather Heather (Storm Underground / NYC) 3) Rob Sherwood (Underground News / Cleveland) 4) DJ Deadly Buda -- dieselBoy -- Kris Kersey (Turbo Zen Records / Pittsburgh) Performing LIVE! F.U.S.E. (and) Cybersonik Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania // Complete Mental Breakdown EXTRA: Maps available at Turbo Zen records or by calling info-line. No alcohol & no attitude Rave Site: Ardmore Roller Palace, 2400 Ardmore Blvd, East Pittsburgh Brought to you by the kind folks at TeeZee collective Sooper React Storm Rave Plus 8 Records Baba Klub TZ Records Under One Sky Fabulous Records Underground News ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 DEF CON ONE Washington, DC. DEF CON ONE 1 Fryday the 13th November Washington, DC Do you feel lucky? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 LIFE Boston (617) - 266 - 1987 nov 14-warehouse rave in boston 80,000 watts smart bar etc. DJ's ---- debo (boston / venus / axis) onionz (new york / caffiene / thunderground) micro (long island / caffiene / thunderground) wink (philadelphia) dave the wave (new haven / bar) repete (new york / limelight) scott henry (washington dc) mac dehay(belgium) mayhem (boston / the loft) tim ryan (boston / venus / HMV records) mr. cleen (new york / primal) dave trance (long island) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late November (sometime) STORM RAVE New York ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 10:35 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: he Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue oct 27 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Techno Clubs (if you have more to add please let me know): Allentown, PA -- Fri. Freight Yard Baltimore -- Thurs. Paradox (Orbit -- these are every other week) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus (DJ Debo) Fri. Axis (DJ Debo) The Loft (DJ Mayhem + guest DJs) Cleveland -- Fri. Alter House Smart Bar Sat. Smart Bar Sun. Metropolis Detroit -- Sat. NUDE New Jersey (Union City I think) -- Wed. The Quarry New Haven -- Sat. Bar New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight (dAncE EnErgY) Peace (Acid House) Insomniacs [Queens] Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Limelight (Future Shock / Primal) Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] Sat. UFO Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond (215) - 592 - 8481 Pittsburgh -- Sun. Metropol Providence -- Sun. Club Babyhead Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Washington, DC -- Mon. Fifth Colvmn Wed. Vault Thurs. Tracks Fri. Roxy Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Wednesday, October 28 THE QUARRY Union City (??) NJ (201) - 947 - 6494 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 30 MASK-A-RAVE New York City ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 UFO New York City ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 FLUID New York City (516) - 862 - 7907 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 13 POWER-RAVE 92 Pittsburgh, PA (412) - 621 - 7759 DEF CON ONE Washington, DC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 14 LIFE Boston (617) - 266 - 1987 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 28 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late November (sometime) STORM RAVE New York ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 31 CATASTROPHIC Washington, DC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 10:54:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 27 [LONG]) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! The first rave in Boston since I join the list, and it's on a weekend I promised my entire extended family on both sides to be out of town for! And on my birthday too! I have no idea what White House statement was issued, but I stand behind it 100 percent. -- Budget Director Richard Darman. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 12:26:22 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Boldly going > The guy said he didn't like techno and then > asked if they served alcohol. Why? Why do these people even bother to spend the time finding and getting to the Loft? (????????) > ...and why was he going? "I heard > there are more girls than guys..." Then my friend asked him if he had gone > to any raves. The guy replied "Yeah Ive heard of that place, what's it like?" Ahh yes. It looks like we're finally getting the frat boy spill over from Venus. The crowd that night did *LOOK* exactly as you described them. I think it's time the door people got a little more discriminating. (wasn't that the original point of the Loft anyway???) > On Saturday we went to Manray at 12 for my first time only to have it close > at one. Not to mention Mayhem wasn't around. The first time I went to Manray was almost two years ago. Did Mayhem actually spin at Manray at some point in the last 2years+?? If so, Mayhem hasn't spun at Manray for a long time and every time I step in that club the only stuff being played is old industrial and older techno. Linda Lawrence finally got fired. I don't know why, they just replaced her with another equally bad DJ who can't spin and knows nothing about techno. (If anyone wants to dance to JBID or "Lords of Acid", check out Manray ;) ). Manray does have one redeeming night. It's still pretty bad, but compared to the usual angst nights (Friday, Sat), it's OK... Wednesday nights ($2) has George from ZBC spinning housier/ravier techno on one floor. It's a more intimate crowd. Just a place to hang out on a Wednesday night. the happy hardcore boy d ave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 12:42:50 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: ?'s from a rave virgin... > From detlev@Athena.MIT.EDU Tue Oct 27 00:10:23 1992 > Where do I look/listen? Any sweet radio shows here in Boston? Check out Tim Hazlett on WZBC (90.3) Tuesdays 6-7pm for great underground techno. > Further, how does one classify techno -- I've heard of hardcore, > breakbeat, acid, and a few others. Which groups exemplify which? (Time for a FAQ, guys!) Breakbeat: derived from the roots of the funky groovier side of things. James Brown's famous funky drummer beat is the most obvious quality in a breakbeat track. Wailing divas, piano breaks and a housy influence. Hardcore: BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM :) Acid: Acid comes from the sounds of the old Roland series analog drum machines. (Roland 303, etc.) These machines make a bubbly resonant grating sound. THe songs are usually based on a single filtered note. > Finally, what rave events are upcoming aside from the one on Nov. 7, > which happens to be an extremely conflictive evening for me?? *sigh* I'm > totally psyched to check out the scene as soon as possible. I was at the > UT Saints/Shamen show, but I know it can be better than that! The rave in question has been bumped to the 14th. Check your Rave-O-Matic for upcoming events in and around New England. happy hardcore boy dave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 27-OCT-1992 12:55:43.17 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 27 [LONG]) >R A V E - O - M A T I C >A list of raves upcoming and alarming. >Friday, October 30 >MASK-A-RAVE New York City >Ooops, I deleted the copy of the flyer that Taylor posted. Anyway, this >is being put on by NASA but it will be at the Tunnel (27th St.) rather >than at the Shelter (Hudson St.). ^^^^^^^^^ Wait. If that's 530 27th St., that would be the Sound Factory, not the Tunnel. The Tunnel's in Alphabet City. Anybody wanna second that? --Mr. Sparkle [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 14:26:51 -0500 Subject: DEFCON 1 INFO Defcon 1 Fryday the 13th of Novemeber.... 10pm - 8 am 13 in advance 15 on the day purchase from Music Now 806 F Street NW D.C. (202) 638-3272 for tickets, info, Bus Trip info... They'll be having a Jolt Bar (just Jolt soda) and a Smart Bar featuring Fierce Ruling Diva (Whipped Kream, Rub it in, & You Gotta Believe) djs... Doc Martin (West Coast) & Frankie Bones (East Coast) Keoki - Limelight Destructo - from L.A. Scott Henry - Catastrophic Liven DeGeyndt - owner of Music Now/dj Dave Trance - from Long Island Micro - from Long Island Bobble & Suze Cyclone - Atomic Bass and JP - D.C. get your tix now.... :) [[In Washington, DC, in case you didn't pick that up]] -Thomas resident technoshman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 14:46:47 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: life changes i mean LIFE (the rave) changes: -it is now on the 14th (i know, you knew) -it will be held in the theatre where BOLD 1 was held -onionz will not be spinning as he will be in san francisco (WHY GOD WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) :( -destucto will not be spinning -dante will be spinning -there is a good chance that mayhem won't be spinning, as the lord (Debo) no longer smiles apon him -hso the boston rave is now in worcester:( but debo said that he is spending more money on it than if it were. only a mere disciple, -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 14:52:45 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: next rave in portland, ME superdooper news! the next rave in portland, maine run by the same people (mayday rave, pure, crusade) are doing it again. november 28th, i believe in the same location as crusade (a wharehouse). DJ's fantasy from england onionz from NY (god is back!) dale charles from san diego 333-mgee from boston/london mayhem that's right folks, it will be pure and simple, slap-happy lovey huggy happy techno break beaty BLISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! a personal note: this is prbably one of my most ideal DJ lineups- dale charles and onionz in the same rave! i am getting all juicy just thinking about it. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 15:23 EST From: EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES Subject: A question to the DC folks I've lost contact with Earic Patten, so I was wondering if any of you knew what he was up to these days. I rarely hear about him anymore in regards to the DC techno scene. Is he still spinning? I haven't heard any mention of him performing at raves. ANy clue? Just wonderin'.... {{{TINA}}} [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 16:14:27 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Joey Chan Subject: the spice must flow... Any of you ne-ravers out there familiar with the DJ's that will be spinning at the upcoming PowerRave here in Pittsburgh? What I want to know is if they are going to be spinning that hardcore stuff, or the tribal stuff? I'm really more partial to the tribal stuff since I am a SFRaver at heart. I noticed that some of the DJs are from Detroit and NY... any of them sound familiar? This is the list that was posted on the most recent "upcoming events" ne-raves. I'd appreciate any info - you can reply directly tohis address... mc4o@andrew.cmu.edu - thanks - here's the list that was posted: 1) Richie Hawtin (Plus 8 Records / Detroit) 2) Adam X -- Heather Heather (Storm Underground / NYC) 3) Rob Sherwood (Underground News / Cleveland) 4) DJ Deadly Buda -- dieselBoy -- Kris Kersey (Turbo Zen Records / Pittsburgh) Performing LIVE! F.U.S.E. (and) Cybersonik [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 16:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: Re: the spice must flow... For the local DJs in Pittsburgh DJ Deadly Buda plays the hardest hardcore, a bit too hard for my tastes but can mix well and owns the Turbo Zen record store. dieselBOY plays almost strictly breatbeat, good mixer and selection of music and plays a set or two on the Techno Terrorists' show on WRCT, our college radio station. Fridays 8 to midnite on 88.3FM. Both are recommended. I do not know much about Kris Kersey. Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 16:28 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: the spice must flow... Adam X spins very much HardCore. Heather Heather spins mostly HardCore, and needs practice. Rob Sherwood spun the most beautiful deep deep trance at Sputnik II, but I don't know if that's his usual stuff or not. God was he great. dieselBoy (Damian on this list) spun at my ne-raves pre-rave party, and spun nice happy dancy breakbeat. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 16:39:40 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: the spice must flow... > From mc4o+@andrew.cmu.edu Tue Oct 27 16:26:39 1992 > Any of you ne-ravers out there familiar with the DJ's that will be spinning > events" ne-raves. I'd appreciate any info - you can reply directly tohis > address... mc4o@andrew.cmu.edu - thanks - here's the list that was posted: > I could respond directly to you, but others *might* be interested... > 2) Adam X -- Heather Heather (Storm Underground / NYC) Hardcore. Strictly hardcore, Brooklyn style (European and local scene) > 1) Richie Hawtin (Plus 8 Records / Detroit) > Performing LIVE! F.U.S.E. (and) Cybersonik Richie Hawtin *is* F.U.S.E. and Cybersonik. You can bet he'll spin hardcore. And it'll be *GOOD* f**ckin hardcore too!! :) The bands are hardcore/acid too. > 3) Rob Sherwood (Underground News / Cleveland) > 4) DJ Deadly Buda -- dieselBoy -- Kris Kersey (Turbo Zen Records / Pittsburgh) don't know. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 27 Oct 1992 17:24:44 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: mas-a-rave well, i thought the tunnel was at 530 w. 27th st...but, if it's in alphabet city, then i guess i'm wrong...the rave is a the above address..regardless of what the place is called.. sorry for the confusion.. my mistake. >>taylor808 [ square wave fetishist ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 17:50:29 EST From: Simon Gatrall Subject: Re: PowerRave DJs Kris Kersey used to be the head DJ at Metropol, the "best" club in Pittsburgh. (Where "best" is relative to some really lame places). He has all kinds of stuff, but as of a couple months ago his favorite label was Suburban Base (as in Krome & Time, 2 Bad Mice, etc.). He's probably the best DJ in Pittsburgh in terms of beatmatching, but his transforming and scratching aren't as good as some others. He used to be very professional, but since he got fired he's been kinda slacking. If I were going to be here for PowerRave I'd probably be looking more forward to Kris than Adam X or Buda, but then I don't like non-stop boom-crash-boom-crash-boom-crash-boom-crash hardcore. -s!mon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: dj's and the like... Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:24:07 EST i saw richie hawkin in cleveland. spun a lot of neat shit, real good vibe better than beltram, i must say. not a lot of breakbeat. some, played a lot of HARD core with 909's 303's and 106's running the show. analog delights. as for rob sherwood. usually plays lots of underground fast breakbeat stuff but pulls a few surprises each time. usually spins at all of the kool-aid/tidal rave stuff in cleveland and is a regular at alter house. and dieseLboy. i heard his mixing over the phone, he was playing me a tape of his mixing on the radio station. he likes the mad breakbeat hardcore. not the chicago hardcore. etc... he is into stuff on reinforced, prod house, moving shadow.... have fun fuck it up sines [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 20:08:46 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (none of the above) Subject: Re: Hail Get yourself a Mac, run Vision , get a nice mixer (i.e. mackie) a good sampler (if you're poor get a roland s-50 ($700 used)) , analog synths (cheap) and a 808 or 909 drum machine. go from there.. A DAT machine is useful for mixdown and some effects processors are handy for making HUGE drum sounds. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 20:12:17 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (none of the above) Subject: Re: Equipment Setup Hey, the poly 800 is a nice machine for making bleepy techno noises. I used to use one, they're nice.. and the boss dr-550 actually has some huge 808 kit sounds... and the best part about ahaving the 808 and 909 sounds sampled/in a machine is that you can sync them. of course, you lose the parameter controls and what not.. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 20:15:47 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (none of the above) Subject: Re: musik and gear The current equiptment sitting in my studio (which is a combination of mine and cutter's equiptment) is: Korg Wavestation Ex Amiga 1000 running Dr T's Keyboard Controlled Sequencer Alesis Quadraverb Tascam 246 4-track Kawai Xd-5 Percussion Synth Peavey Cs400 400-watt/side Amp 2 Peavey H115 speakers Mics and other various electronic crap... It isn't much but it works. I'm looking to get ahold of a sampler and some analog equiptment.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 27 Oct 1992 20:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: 808's john suggested getting an 808.. why of course they're the GODBOX, but, they're not MIDI... 909 are MIDI'ed...i've been working with my 808 in an analog situation and can give some pointers to anyone who wants to do NON-MIDI sequenc-ing...but, getting an 808 as your only drum machine in an all midi setup would be pointless, unless you wanted to sample the beats..(which is cool)..however, you're better off just getting a sampler and getting a hold of all of the 808 and 909 samples...which, by the way, if anyone out there has an emax..or a macintosh and alchemy (and any alchemy compatible sampler.. which is most of them) then i would love to trade samples.. i've got plenty of 808's and 909's...as well as a slew of other stuff.. (600 disks at this point).. i've got an emax, but with alchemy and a mac, all of our samplers become compatible.. happy hacking! >>taylor808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: keyboards and such. Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 21:48:46 EST um, i have in my house: roland sh.101 [analog synth] roland mc.202 [analog microcomposer/synth] roland tb.303 [analog bass line programmer] roland juno.106 [analog MIDI synth] ensoniq vfx.sd [digital synth/12 track sequencer] ensoniq eps.m [rack mount sampler] korg dsm.1 [rack mount sampler] moog/realistic mg.1 [analog synth] boss dr.110 [analog drum machine] boss bx.8 mixer [mixer] casio sk1 [cheap sampler] oberheim matrix.1000 [rack mount analog MIDI synth] digitech digital delay [effects processor] cheap voice changer [robotic vocal processor] various stomp pedals [effects pedals] speak and spell [voice generator] soon i will be getting: ensoniq esq.1 [digital synth/8 track sequencer] ensoniq mirage [sampling keyboard] we do fast breakbeat techno, my stuff is now going more the ambient route, but i also want to rig and fuse a lot of my stuff together plans are for an 8 channel mixer with 4 on board effects plus 2 more effects loops and tone level, and pan. i am also going to build an oscilloscope retrofit for a TV. i plan on taking the CV/gate out of a few of my synths, and running it back and forth between the TV and synth... about a year ago, i took the video output of a VCR, fed it through a few effects pedals, then took that output into a recording VCR audio input. very interesting noises (white noise) was made and i plan on incorporating my keyboards with it now. watch out richard d james, the next enhanced one is coming soon. sines [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: 808's Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:22:13 EST there are MIDI'ed 808's out. about $500. i would like to know what you are doing with the 808. i know that you can sync it with a 202 and 101, but i don't know about the 303. i wish i had a roland modular system 100-m, you can use it with that also. does anyone here know a great deal of electronics? i want to be able to use my old analog beasts as tone modules for my new esq.1. like running a midi out channel to control the mc 202. it has a sync in and also a CV/gate in. a friend from new zealand, julian harris and i are attempting to hack the MIDI cord and run gate on one pin, and run the control voltage (0-5 Volts) on the others (or would it be one?) hmm. ultimately, i would like to be able to run this sequence: master controller sampler synth as a tone tone module tone mod sync module <>----------<>-----<>-----<>----<>---303. the esq would use maybe 2 internal tracks, the mirage would use two, the mc 202, sh 101, and mg.1 would use one MIDI channel a piece, then i want the 303 bass lines to be in sync with the tempo of the esq.1 (like 145, 118, etc...) total tracks=8. you can merge tracks from the esq together and then have just 7, using the last one for a sync track (if that is how it works.) total midi channels=5 or 6, depending on if the 303 requires a MIDI sync track. sounds like fun. basically, this would involve giving the 101, 202, and mg.1 midi in/out/thru ports, or something like that. if you can help, or give any insight, feel free to e-mail me. >>>subsonic enhancement<<< sines [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 22:48:13 -0500 Subject: DC/BALTO Club info (c/o UMRaveList...) New DC Club ------------ Every Tuesday: TRANCE-FORMATION 100% Hardcore Techno Under 21 $7.50 Over 21 $5.00 Starting 9:00 PM Threatening Hardcore by Demigod Lars Volz Ian Christopher DJ EQ DJ Frantik 2100 M St., NW (202) 457-8181 Balto Club News --------------- Thursday, October 29, 1992, will be the _final_ ORBIT party for One World. :( THE FINAL ORBIT: LAST DANCE featuring DJ's Tony Japzon & Scott Henry 10PM-4AM $8 ($6 before 11) MUST be 21 @Paradox 1310 Russel Street, Baltimore (410) 837-9110 * (410) 752-6586 -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 22:49:50 -0500 Subject: Masquerave and pre-rave party!! <<<>>> Hey ne-ravers!!! Come on down and meet the UM/DC/MD/VA crew! 7:30-10:30PM Sat. Oct. 31 in College Park. Email tedwards@wam.umd.edu for more info!!!! 3 lasers + munchies :) :) :) Catastrophic's MASQUERAVE Tribal-Trance Sat. Oct 31 -- 12 hour rave 10PM-10AM Scott Henry/Suz-E Cyclone/Nate/LG/Bobble/Wink/ Debo/749/Onoinz/Micro/James Christian/Jimmy Crash/ Adam X/Repete + Mac De Hey - Holland and Jean Phileppe - Tribal Set Live Performance by Merje Intellabeams--Emulators--Colorpros--Dataflash & Visuals by I-Beam Wizard Michael Meacham BUSS TRIPS Manhattan: Nicke & Papa (917)-986-5970 Long Island: Liz, Bea, & Laura (516)-968-8342 Boston: MINDWARP (617)-266-1987 Pittsburgh: Turbozen (Dario) (412)-621-7759 Philadelphia: (215)-592-8481 New Jersey: Michael & Chressy (908)-727-6527 More INFO: Speed Raver/Raver X (703)-971-4555 Tickets sold at MusicNow 806 F. St. NW (202)-638-3272 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 23:11:03 EST From: Andy Subject: Industrial --> Techno + rambles First posting to ne-raves, and I'll be brief because I'm tired. I'm an old Industrial-head too. Are we ALL? Most Industrial listeners I meet are whiny self-destructive obnoxious youth. That's not me at all. I've been listening to hardcore industrial (EN, SPK) and cyberpunk (242, Puppy, LeBlanc) for five years or so. I listen to it because it goes well with Physics, not because I enjoy piercing myself repeatedly. Then a friend got me into Techno last spring, and I was immediately hooked! Sounded like it was a great form of cyberpunk. ALL experiences with clubs stunk however. There's always jerks STANDING AROUND on the dance floor and the whole bit. This list convinced me to try again, and I will after Halloween. I wanted to rave all summer but my experiences indicated to me that there wasn't any good stuff here in NYC. Hope I was wrong. What's the deal with Liquid Sky? It was there when I popped by on last Wed. the 21st or whatever date that was. Is Detente gone too? Can't Be! Oh, what's all this about Industrial Clubs? I don't believe it one bit! The best I have ever heard was a handful of dancy cyberpunk tunes before they kick in with the techno, while the crowd continues to shyly line the walls, hands in pockets, eyes glued to the floor like those old grade school balls. I'm talking the Bank, Primal, the Mission...then they look at me weird when I try to skank solo to Manufacture. I'll believe "Industrial Club" when I hear it. What is Acid Jazz? Sounds good! Waiting for a good club experience.... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 23:30 EST From: Subject: Re: keyboards and such. I see it was mentioned that you have a robotic sampler, (cheap, you said). First question: does cheap mean that *all* of these are cheap to come by, or is the quality of yours "cheap"? Question 2: is this what groups like Skinny Puppy use to distort their lyrics for that oh-so-trippy effect? Question 3: where would be a good place to get a voice thing like this? And last of all: the response to the musik and gear question has been over- whelming(not that I'm bitching), and I see Mac mentioned a lot..can someone give me an ftp site or *mail* me a copy of some of the Midi programs that would be a good starter program for the uninitiated? Would be mucho appreciated... -Sean LeBlanc -The century's getting old and stale; it needs new tribes. -Clive Barker, In the Flesh [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 23:35:07 EST Subject: LIFE's new home... wow, worcester's gonna have 2 raves in 3 weeks! who'd'a thunk it?! well, the venue is definitely a neat one, and the inclusion of Dante is much hailed. wowie zowie! you must all visit worcester, just for the laugh at least... :) see yall there! donato :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu (michael j darweesh) Subject: Re: Industrial --> Techno + rambles Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 23:41:28 EST > First posting to ne-raves, and I'll be brief because I'm tired. If that was brief... :-> > I'll believe "Industrial Club" when I hear it. Buffalo doesn't have much of a Rave scene (we have to got to Toronto for that usually), but if you ever get a chance, check out The ICON Thursday night. Sounds like its the industrial scene you're looking for. -Mike Mike Darweesh darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu "The things, you say... Your purple prose just gives you away. The things, you say... You're unbelievable." -EMF [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: keyboards and such. Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 23:44:52 EST cheap means: $14.99 at target. this can also be found at your favorite toy store. it is called a voice changer. it is like a megaphone, but you have three different switches on it: alien, ghost, and robot. the alien is a pitch up and down with robotic distortion the ghost is a pitch up with the robotic distortion the robot is a pitch down with the robotic distortion. resembles the cylon out of battlestar galatica. i am surprised i found this this cheap. >> LOADS OF FUN!!! i am taking all of the handles and the cheesy plastic case off and just utilizing the circuitry to make my mixer w/built in effects. with a robot effect on a 909, guess what pounds the fuck out of your head god, it is amazing.... sines [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 00:38:40 -0500 From: Allon Stern Subject: MIDIfying analog equipment (Was: Re: 808's) > i would like to know what you are doing with the 808. i know that you > can sync it with a 202 and 101, but i don't know about the 303. i wish i > had a roland modular system 100-m, you can use it with that also. > > does anyone here know a great deal of electronics? i want to be able to > use my old analog beasts as tone modules for my new esq.1. > > like running a midi out channel to control the mc 202. it has a sync in > and also a CV/gate in. a friend from new zealand, julian harris and i > are attempting to hack the MIDI cord and run gate on one pin, and run > the control voltage (0-5 Volts) on the others (or would it be one?) Yeah, I had thought of something along the same lines... My setup: Mac II Korg Poly 800 II Yamaha DX21 MicroMOOG (!) I want to be able to run the MicroMOOG from midi data...its very nice of them to provide trigger and keyboard voltage in jacks.... I would imagine that building a slave-only midi interface for the MOOG shouldn't be too difficult...its monophonic, so the interface needs to remember only the most recent key hit...they keyboard voltage would likely come from a D/A converter...1/12 of a volt for each key, 1 volt over each octave. Has anybody here actually attempted such a hack? -- Allon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 28 Oct 1992 01:05:25 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: 808 triggers well, as far as the 808 goes.. it's got 3 trigger outs. one runs on the cowbell channel, one on the clap channel and one on the accent channel. i've got them running to my sh-101 and jupiter-6. (my friend's got a korg mono/poly (INCREDIB LE!) that i want to use on the 3rd trigger line)...i send a trigger pulse to the 101 that triggers note by note, a sequence that i've programmed into it's internal sequencer... and, they rhythm of playback depends on how you program either the accent, cbell or clap.. (whichever trgger you're running it to).. then, i've got one of the other triggers triggering off an arpeggiation from the jupiter...so i can have those 2 synths running, the 808 doing beats and i ca n run the sync out of my 707 into the sync in of the 808 and use the 707 also.. then, i can slave my mac (performer) to the 707 and have everything synced.. though, since the jupiter is MIDI'ed i don't usually trigger it wih the 808... so, that's what i do. i haven't really "hacked" any midi cords or boxes.. but i really would love to get into that.. is there anything i can read about it...or any advice you can give me? also, what's the cheapest MIDI retro for the 808 out there? >>taylor808 [ square wave fetish team ] digital pulses digital pulses digital pulses [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 01:16:15 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Now is the time to try something new) Subject: Ne-Raves FAQW Who'd be intrested in helping me write an ne-raves FAQ? I've gotten a few ideas together for it.. I could put it on our FTP site.. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 01:17:54 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Now is the time to try something new) Subject: Re: life changes Debo isn't smiling upon Mayhem because Mayhem is stealing his business on friday nights (i.e., why go to Axis and deal with Frat Boys / Big Hairs when you can go to the loft...) Poor baby I say. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 01:21:42 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Now is the time to try something new) Subject: Re: the spice must flow... All the people you've named are AMAZING hardcore DJ's.. Heather heather is a TERRIBLE dj... I assume she's spinning because Adam is, and they're dating. Just because you're fucking someone that is a good DJ doesn't mean you're one too.. Richie Hawtin; I've seen him spin at one of the earlier Storm Raves.. He's amazing.. he spins tons and tons of gorgeous acid house. The other DJ's that you mention I've never heard of... I think I may have heard some of Rob Sherwood's stuff on WZBC though.. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 01:25:41 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Now is the time to try something new) Subject: Re: 808's I've also got a 505 around here... too bad roland got into PWM samples with the 505.. the hats are useful though.. I want a 909! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 01:33:30 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Now is the time to try something new) Subject: Re: MIDIfying analog equipment (Was: Re: 808's) MIDIfying equiptment is a bitch.. You must channelize and translate the incoming midi data (read as SERIAL) latch it.. figure out what you're going to do with it, translate said note ON data into a D/A and then change said control voltage going to your analog synth... this requires a micro processor, some bit of assembly coding and some work. Not to mention decent buffering and a UART of sorts to establish the 57,600 bps connection. not easy but it can be done. Polyphony is another story all together.. you've got to be able to turn notes on , remember what you've turned on and turn them off with the approiate note off command.. Maybe there is a custom chipset for this. Call Casio? Call roland and get schematics? --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 01:38:56 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: Re: the spice must flow... > >Heather heather is a TERRIBLE dj... I assume she's spinning because Adam is, >and they're dating. Just because you're fucking someone that is a good >DJ doesn't mean you're one too.. > just don't let her see that when she joins the list- she's got that new york temper and the brooklyn accent to go with it... :)) e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 02:04:17 -0500 Subject: Re: the spice must flow... Alot of UM people really dislike Adam X. I love hardcore beat, but I hate listening to hours to thump-thump with no samples or melody. I wish hardcore DJ's would package their core with stuff to tickle the mind, not just beat to tickle the body. Whatever happened to "Here comes the sun" or "Space the final fontier" or "I am not a number, I am a free man!" Use that sampler, that's why you have it. Keep the beat strong, the music happy and creative and stimulating. #define soapbox off -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 02:51:25 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (D.J. MARS) Subject: \\\ Confessions of a Raver... /// Hello everyone, My friends call me Mars so feel free to call me that as well. It's 2:30am and I've finally finished going through ALL of my e-mail from all of you. It's strange to get swamped with messages when you're used to getting none. I have been on the list for about a week and finally feel I have caught the general jist of the conversations enough to be able to get involved with the conversation with my messages having some sort of relevancy to you. I say "oh no" when I get to the messages that are pages of text, so you probably do too, so I'll keep my messages short, but send a bunch of them to you. I think it's amazing that ne-raves exists. I would have never have imagined that it did or known that it did if it weren't for my boy "trEE", Simply e va n. Shouts go out to him. Yo, if you want to hear some cool shit, check out my next message... Until then, Mars =============================================================================== M. Hamilton Villarosa (MARS) | "Whenever people agree with me, I (215)758-1909 | always feel I must be wrong." mhv0@Lehigh.edu | - Oscar Wilde =============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 23:38:31 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Equipment Setup Strange how neraves has turned into rec.music.synth.techno. Anyway, if anyone out there has some finished tracks, I'd be interested in hearing them. Send me email. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 02:51:25 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (D.J. MARS) Subject: \\\ Confessions of a Raver... /// Hello everyone, My friends call me Mars so feel free to call me that as well. It's 2:30am and I've finally finished going through ALL of my e-mail from all of you. It's strange to get swamped with messages when you're used to getting none. I have been on the list for about a week and finally feel I have caught the general jist of the conversations enough to be able to get involved with the conversation with my messages having some sort of relevancy to you. I say "oh no" when I get to the messages that are pages of text, so you probably do too, so I'll keep my messages short, but send a bunch of them to you. I think it's amazing that ne-raves exists. I would have never have imagined that it did or known that it did if it weren't for my boy "trEE", Simply e va n. Shouts go out to him. Yo, if you want to hear some cool shit, check out my next message... Until then, Mars =============================================================================== M. Hamilton Villarosa (MARS) | "Whenever people agree with me, I (215)758-1909 | always feel I must be wrong." mhv0@Lehigh.edu | - Oscar Wilde =============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 03:27:51 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (D.J. MARS) Subject: \\\ Confessions of a Raver part II /// Yo NE-Ravers check it out, Yo it's Mars wit' summa of my history: I went to the Limelight in NYC two summers ago for the first time and started to hear "Techno." No one I knew had much of a clue what that kind of music was and I was thinking it was like Acid House or something. I guess that was pretty close and slowly I found out more about it and got more involved in the techno club scene. I had been into Alternative, New Wave, Punk, Hardcore and even House music before starting college three years ago at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Two years ago, I got introduced to Industrial stuff while working for the college radio station here. That same year an EXTREMELY weak under-21 dance club(?) here in the Lehigh Valley called Scarlet O'hara's (that had been playing hip-hop and top 40 dance music), was changing their music format to Alt/indust (to get rid of local hodlums. I was going to D.J. at this hole-in-the-ground club that looked like a Mexican restaraunt place, but fortunately came to my senses soom enough to realize that the owners were fucking assholes who had no clue. Last year my boys trEE, Conspiracy, Angry Al, (and even geoffE sortof) retaliated by putting on our own alternative/industrial/techno dances at this wanna-be nightclub on campus (which doubles as a pizza place during the day!) where trEE and I D.J.ed. The dances were really fun and successful, but the student advisor of the place ended up being another asshole so that was the end of that. Now what would we do? What did the future hold? To be continued... Mars =============================================================================== M. Hamilton Villarosa (MARS) | "Whenever people agree with me, I (215)758-1909 | always feel I must be wrong." mhv0@Lehigh.edu | - Oscar Wilde =============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: Equipment Setup Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 3:45:48 EST > > > Strange how neraves has turned into rec.music.synth.techno. Anyway, if anyon e > out there has some finished tracks, I'd be interested in hearing them. Send > me email. > > yeah, i know. i guess we have been contributing a lot to it lately. still, i think that the people on rec.music.techno are uninterested in this type of hack thing, but maybe they are. who knows\ taylor and i are having fun devising new and fucked ways of wiring this to that and applying this thing to that, etc\ he is sending me some money for the voice changer--$14.99>! come join our party, we are interested to hear about what you are doing in your bedroom too. mike, you should hear what body release is doing now.. full hard core breakbeat style..... nice and hard. submerged in the troughs of a SINEwaveS sines >>> e n h a n c e m e n t >>>> body release. sinewave.time filtered. | pulsed >>> respond by: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | oscillated 384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201 >>614.299.9529 | stretched [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: net addict.[D[D Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 3:52:28 EST from your favorite net addict. i have been on since 7:30 pm and it is now 3:45 am i worked from 11-7:30 am at kinko's last night and then got back on the net from 7:30-9:00 am. i am stupid. but, this discussion about the keyboards seems to be going well, and i would like to know where and what all of you do. i know that taylor 808 is in NYU and he played at the limelight a few weeks ago, \ what else do the rest of you do? i do the body release thing, but lately i am devising new ways to make thicker, crazier sounds.... any info? send it here/ riding the crest of the sinewaves my sh.101 makes.... sines >>> e n h a n c e m e n t >>>> body release. sinewave.time filtered. | pulsed >>> respond by: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | oscillated 384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201 >>614.299.9529 | stretched [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 04:11:45 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (D.J. MARS) Subject: \\\ Confessions of a Raver III /// To all, This message is another chapter in my History of Mars mini-series: This past summer, I went to my first Rave in Brooklyn at Ceaser's Bay for Storm Rave III (or maybe it was 4). I had been doing the club thing a lot before that, but that night made me into a hardcore rave fanatic. I was hooked..."bitten by the techno bug" (whatever)... I got more involved in the scene and started checking out the rave gear which I thought was cool as anything, but nearly died at the prices these extortionists are getting people to pay for their shit (i.e. T-shirts for $20, Rave hats (sock hats, whatever) for $20, striped cotton shirts FIFTY-TWO FUCKING DOLLARS!!! ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR MINDS!!!). Look that shit is a total rip-off. I said no way and went out, bought my own cotton knit material, and had my mom sew up some shirts and hats. My friends thought they were really cool and wanted em too. So, I had my mom make more and charged just enough to cover my expenses and time and to pay my mom and "Wa-la" "Direct from MARS" was born. That's the name of my clothing company. I sold stuff at home to kids at the shore in NJ (I live down there) and at some of the raves I went to. I flew out to San Francisco and sold clothes to a couple stores there and to other ravers as well as going to a rave where I met Frankie Bones and Sandra Collins, a D.J. from Phoenix (who I must add is a really super person and who's phone number I lost when someone decided to steal my backpack out of my car when I was at the Limelight which also had these really cool glow-in-the-dark Glo Worm necklaces in it. I was so pissed). They introduced me to some of the people who put on stuff out there which was also very cool. I also met another raver out there who will hopefully be doing some art for some screened T-shirts that I'm going to be doing. If you're in S.F. check out the Haight especially Bullet Proof, HouseWares, and Behind the Post Office. I took a train to L.A. and there danced my ass of at everything from "1970's" a disco club, to Happy Wednesdays techno club, to a private birthday party at the Mayan a techno club in downtown L.A., to two huge over-commercialized raves, to a totally underground ravers paradise. While there, I met a D.J. named Markem X who was totally cool and a couple others whom I may never speak to again thanks to that same asshole who broke into my car-I hope my address book is doing him a lot of good. Melrose is the place to check out esp Atomic Garage, DMC records, beat non-stop. L.A. is wonderful. Go if you can. I know I'm such a hypocrite cause this message is so long, but I've got a little more to tell you... Stay tuned. Mars =============================================================================== M. Hamilton Villarosa (MARS) | "Whenever people agree with me, I (215)758-1909 | always feel I must be wrong." mhv0@Lehigh.edu | - Oscar Wilde =============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 04:42:01 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (D.J. MARS) Subject: \\\ Confession...The Final Chptr /// This is it!!! I swear... "The Final Chapter" I came back to school this year to find out that my friend geoffE had been talking to some guy who owns a club in Allentown, PA and that he wanted to make into a techno club. So we both started working with this guy and other other friends and slowly but surely we've been building a scene here in the Lehigh Valley. The club is called the Freight Yard and is in an old warehouse. The place really cool. I hope you can all come to it some time. It's about two hours from NYC and an hour and a half from Philly. geoffE and I D.J. there and it's only open on Fridays right now from 9pm to 2am. The place can hold about 600 people. My friend Larry "Dayz X1" from Sputnik II and various New Jersey raves (that I might add are very cool and very underground) is coming up to D.J. on Friday when we're going to have a big Halloween Party (B.Y.O.Costume). The owner is very cool and is letting us create the scene here. He rents the club out on Saturdays, so I'm thinking that maybe we could have an NE-Raves party there some time or post-club party here at my apartment at Lehigh on a Friday after the club closes or whatever. How many of you could make it out here? To get here from the east, you take Rt.22 west into PA to MacArthur Rd. South exit in Allentown. You follow this street south to the monument and turn left onto Hamilton Blvd. You go through 3 lights and turn left 10 ft. before the 4th light. You then turn into the first driveway on the left where there is a sign on the side of the building the club is in that says "The Freight Yard." So that's it for now. If you're interested in coming call me, my number is below, e-mail me, or else just come. Thanks, Mars =============================================================================== M. Hamilton Villarosa (MARS) | "Whenever people agree with me, I (215)758-1909 | always feel I must be wrong." mhv0@Lehigh.edu | - Oscar Wilde =============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 12:22:07 -0500 From: Allon Stern Subject: Re: MIDIfying analog equipment (Was: Re: 808's) > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 01:33:30 -0500 > From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Now is the time to try something new) > Message-Id: <9210280633.AA17198@silver.lcs.mit.edu> > To: allon, ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu > Subject: Re: MIDIfying analog equipment (Was: Re: 808's) > > MIDIfying equiptment is a bitch.. > > You must channelize and translate the incoming midi data (read as > SERIAL) latch it.. figure out what you're going to do with it, translate > said note ON data into a D/A and then change said control voltage going > to your analog synth... > > this requires a micro processor, some bit of assembly coding and some > work. Not to mention decent buffering and a UART of sorts to establish > the 57,600 bps connection. > > not easy but it can be done. > Wrong...I think it wouldn't be too bad. A UART will do most of the work. Its fairly simple logic after that. (then again, I've fooled around with logic circuits before :) I just can't seem to find the time to get this done, though.... -- Allon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 12:36:53 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (De-Luxe) Subject: Re: Equipment Setup Ne-Raves became rec.music.synth.techo for a few days because the amount of geeks here (and this includes me) is very high. I'm gloating. Jna ne-rqaveds [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 12:39:10 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (De-Luxe) Subject: Re: \\\ Confessions of a Raver III /// I assume the rave that you met frankie bones and sandra collins at was the busted storm rave, because as I remember it ( Laura and I talked with frankie and sandra in the parking lot on the beach) she never got to spin... correct me if i'm wrong.. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 12:59:58 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (for your ears only) Subject: Re: MIDIfying analog equipment (Was: Re: 808's) Ne-Ravey people, ignore this, because you're probably going to scream at me for wasting bandwidth, but a question was asked and I'm going to answer it :) A UART would only sync up with the incoming data . MIDI data transmission is a bit more complex... Let's look at something as simple as a Key on / Key off transmission: There are three messages or more to tell a key to turn on. parsing this with standard TTL logic is painful and expensive (expensive in chips, as well as time) Status 1001nnnnn (9n hex) n = channel number Note Number 0kkkkkkkk k = key number , 0 to 127 Velocity 0vvvvvvvv (v != 0) Key on Note that you can send a key off with the same command, by specifying a velocity of 0000000 There are other things that run amuck in the midi data stream that make parsing by TTL impossible and inefficent: Midi running status messages are transmitted every 300mS or so if your system is IDLE. How is your TTL system going to deal with that? For that matter, how is your TTL system going to deal with multi=byte continous controller information? -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Andrew C Crosby Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 13:01:58 EST Subject: 303 while we're still on the technology topic, could someone verify that it is the 303 that makes those bubbly swirly acid sounds that we all know and love? i got the impression that it only made base lines, but was that merely its intended purpose? what are good synths for making cool modulated notes if the 303 isn't the one that i hear all of the time? thanks andy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 13:51:15 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: Amana micro rave in mass. hi all - i found this flyer in Tower records boston today. a mind altering nocturnal affair AMANA the micro rave techno-it cooks from the inside out! (back side) AMANA a radrange production dj spice (boston) visual-whirlpool lighting-general energhetic the electric glow dancers smart barand full bar till 2. friday, november6 doors open at 10PM location: the former lepages 708 Washinton St. N. Easton, Ma direction: from rt 24 N or S exit 16B to rt 106W at 2nd light right on 138N amana 2 miles on right across from tanner ford advanced tickets $4 available at springers-rt. 18 e. bridgewater night of tix-$6 with this flyer-$5 infoline (508) 238-8360 -------------------------------------------------------------------- it is strange that i or anyone else i know haven't heard anything about this. it appears to be in a club. maybe someone in the 508 area code could call and find out what time it stays open till, who actually is putting it on, etc. tony fischel from boston was going to use the name DJ spice-E but i don;t know if it is him. i will call him toinite to find out. -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 13:54:58 -0500 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: my schedule for this weekend look for me this weekend at the following techno locations: thurs-venus de milo in boston fri-nasa mask-a-rave in NY sat-Masquerrave in DC (then i have a 15 page holography lab report due monday, quantum mech. due tues, and a bio exam tues. i am a fool) for those of you that don't know me- look for blue hair. i'll wear my ne-raves i.d. so that you can find me. drop me a note and i'll look for you.(whoever) -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 11:21:44 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Equipment Setup > taylor and i are having fun devising new and fucked ways of wiring this to > that and applying this thing to that, etc\ Cool, maybe you two can come over to my place and figure out how to get my EPS to talk SCSI to my Macintosh. > we are interested to hear about what you are doing in your > bedroom too. I do most of my music stuff in my garage. What happens in my bedroom is my own business. As far as music equipment goes, the best investment I've made in the past year was in an Emu Procussion -- the ultimate drum machine. It has tons of drum sounds, from heavy metal to jazz to house to techno to tribal, with very flexible programming capabilities. (And it's midi too.) My second-best investment was in Alchemy, which has an incredibly useful constant-pitch time-shifting feature. i.e. You can take a 90 bpm drum loop and speed it up to 130 bpm without changing its pitch. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: full-length CD's... Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 15:43:44 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I was wondering what other full length CD's (NOT singles) are out there. They seen to be a good value with lots of gems on them (T99 and Eon for example). I have: T99: Children of Chaos Eon: Void Dweller Prodigy: Experience What else is there? I'm not talking compilations. I don't want to by a bunch of compilations or singles and then have the same songs on the album (cause then I won't wanna buy it). So, suggestions--and good places to go in Boston to get them. I know about Newbury's, Tower, and HMV's techno secion(s)...so any other places to go would be neat to know.... Thank ya very much..... -John "What is your one purpose in life?" "To explode of course!" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 16:08:37 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (D.J. MARS) Subject: Re:\\\Confessions of a Raver III/// >I assume the rave that you met frankie bones and sandra collins at was the >busted storm rave, because as I remember it ( Laura and I talked with frankie >and sandra in the parking lot on the beach) she never got to spin... > >correct me if i'm wrong.. > >-John Hey John, The rave that I met them at was called Federation X in San Francisco two or three weeks after SR got busted. I was sick the day of SR so I couldn't go. Oh well, but I guess I didn't miss much. Just to let you know, Mars =============================================================================== M. Hamilton Villarosa (MARS) | "Whenever people agree with me, I (215)758-1909 | always feel I must be wrong." mhv0@Lehigh.edu | - Oscar Wilde =============================================================================== [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: full-length CD's... Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 16:07:44 -0500 From: kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Try Vinyl Connection, next to Chaps, across from Copley by the Pike entrance. As the name implies, they mostly deal in 12" singles, but they have a decent collection of CDs and are willing to order stuff. They are also nice people, willing to chat, make suggestions, play stuff on the in-house stereo, etc. -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 16:15:00 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: amana thingy Sorry if this was posted twice... let's try again: Amana Micro Rave I called the infoline, but I just got a recording that repeated what was on the flyer that camper posted earlier today. Maybe I'll try again later... C a R o L y N [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 28 Oct 1992 17:31:12 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Havoc Music i thought i'd take this time to do a little promotion for myself. :) i run an independant cassette label called Havoc Music. we handle strictly electrnoic music. it started has been a lot of industrial and ambient stuff, but we now carry a lot of techno. we produce mail order catalogs annually and are currently distributing #4. i carry all of my various projects (toxic beatbox, slave to external, decameron..even the older ones: 99ikon, sea glass suicide) as well as various bands from around the country. i'm very very happy with the response havoc has gotten as well as some very nice reviews in various zines... anyway, the reason i'm saying all of this is to let you know that you can get a catalog..just email me your (and anyone else you think would be interested) street address and i'll send you a catalog. also, i'm putting together a new techno only compilation and would love submissions from any of you artists...remember, it's only cassette.. because of $$ limitations.. but making and getting music out is my passion, and i'm not gonna sit around and wish i had cds or vinyl...so, if anyone's interested in being on this comp. (for mail order sale and to sell at my live gigs) let me know.. get back to me, tell me what you're all about.. i'm also always looking for new bands with tapes, cds or anything.. if you have some good stuff out and want some help distributing it around the country.. (and even in france and canada) and want to be part of havoc, and in the catalog then just drop me a line.. spread the word.9E4Ql)[TU~|{f [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: full-length CD's... Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 17:00:28 MST > T99: Children of Chaos > Eon: Void Dweller > Prodigy: Experience Lords of Acid: Lust Moby: Moby Orbital: Orbital LFO: Frequencies Shamen: En-Tact (original), En-Tact (garbage), Boss Drum (semi-garbage) Future Sound of London: Accelerator 808 State: blah blah blah Then there is all the Orb stuff, but of course, whether or not you consider this dance music is up to you. Most of the ambient groups have albums out as well. I was rummaging through a radio station's CD collection last night, and despite the fact that I kiped their promo of PWEI's "XYZ", I noticed that there was a full length album for Quadrophonia. Even though I can't stand the band, I did look it over, and indeed it is an album. Forgot the name though. Someone told me yesterday that Channel X has an album out now, he said it was "Millions of Colors", but isn't this a single? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 19:53:44 -0500 Subject: Re: full-length CD's... I think manypeople have said that the Future sound of London disc is really really good. Is this true ? I like the song by them that is on the cool world soundtrack if that would be any indication. So anyway my real question is: is this album out domestically? -d^2 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 28 Oct 1992 20:15:42 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: full length cds... i HIGHLY recommend the LFO 'frequencies' album... fucking AMAZING blipcore... just thought i'd say that.. :) >>taylor909 [ square wave fetish team ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 22:06:23 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: full-length CD's... > "Millions of Colors", but isn't this a single? > Yes this is a 12". Could just be the name of the album too though. I haven't heard of it yet. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 22:38:03 EST From: Mr.Boy Subject: samples&hardcore&such .Alot of UM people really dislike Adam X. I love hardcore beat, .but I hate listening to hours to thump-thump with no samples .or melody. I wish hardcore DJ's would package their core .with stuff to tickle the mind, not just beat to tickle the body. .Whatever happened to "Here comes the sun" or "Space the final .fontier" or "I am not a number, I am a free man!" Use that .sampler, that's why you have it. Keep the beat strong, the .music happy and creative and stimulating. . -Thomas . resident technoshaman this reminded me of something i was thinking about the other day. i actually like the stuff without samples and/or vocals. of course, it still has to be "creative and stimulating", but vocals/samples do not necessarily create that. 808 state, for example does a great job with the least amount of vocals, especially on UTd state90. also, to bring back that "it's no good cuz it's popular" debate... did you ever notice that it's the songs with vocals and/or samples that become popular? the masses in general tend to prefer something they can sing along with. where's the singing?? they exclaim. i doubt the wonderful tune "pacific" will ever become "popular".. ok, that's an old example. i just don't see a totally instrumental (ie. NO spoken words whatsoever) becoming popular. i'm sure you guys are gonna come up with examples, but i bet they're exceptions! :) oh yeah, i hope you don't mind MARS, i'm gonna steal your idea... my mom can make clothes too! i don't know why i totally didn't think of that.. duh.. don't worry tho, i don't have time to start a small business :) keep it funkin'! donato :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Havoc Music Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 22:54:34 -0500 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU doh! okay here it is........ 362 Memorial Drive Cambridge, MA 02139 my name is John Shiple Thank ya thank ya -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 23:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Mask-A-Rave location BTW: info on this rave was sent to WMUC...our radio station. Also there is some big music convention going on the same weekend. from what I gather it's no coincidence that there are top acts at the rave because of this. is this commercialization? -d^2 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 29 Oct 1992 00:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: CMJ convention the dig.druid says: BTW: info on this rave was sent to WMUC...our radio station. Also there is some big music convention going on the same weekend. from what I gather it's no coincidence that there are top acts at the rave because of this. is this commercialization? the convention is the CMJ convention (collge music journal)..and, as a matter of fact..myself, as TOXIC BEATBOX am playing in it on saturday night...as far as the mask-a-rave.. i'm not quite sure if moby and altern-8 are a part of it.. i wouldn't be surprised.. the convention usually has great acts from all different genres...check your CMJ literature.. if their names are on it..then they're a part of it.. commercialism? well, maybe.. but techno IS a specific genre of music.. all genres get followings and all genres get recognition (positive and negative) from the music industry... >>taylor808 [ square wave fetish team ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu (michael j darweesh) Subject: Re: full-length CD's... Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 1:16:06 EST A couple come to mind: Group Album The Shamen En-tact-The American version is lots of fun and well done. 2 Unlimited Get Ready-A Cross over dance album with awesome cuts like "Twilight Zone" U96 Das Boot-Good German techno Lords of Acid -Belgian masters of techno, but I forget the name of their album Utah Saints Something Good EP-Two or three good tracks. Maybe they're not strictly techno, but they're mighty fine. Information Society-Supposedly, they have a new album coming. Look for it. Moby Instinct Dance-Actually, this album is a compilation of Moby with him performing under several names. Moby Go-One of the Techno masters doing what he does best. Also, don't be afraid of Maxi-Singles and 12"s. There are plenty of gems out there that are only available on compilations and on singles... Now, these are just the first that come to mind. I have no idea what type of techno you enjoy most, but these are all good full-length albums unless advertised otherwise. Enjoy, -Mike Mike Darweesh darweesh@acsu.buffalo.edu "The things, you say... Your purple prose just gives you away. The things, you say... You're unbelievable." -EMF [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 02:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: full-length CD's... Quadrophonia's record is called COSMIC JAM and it sucks. how about Ultramarine's _Every Man And Woman is a Star_ and Rozalla's _Everybody's Free_ More: Dream Frequency: One Nation React II Rhythm: Whatever You Dream DOP: Musicians of the Mind more later, I know I can name more..... Mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 03:24:23 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: your equipment conversation - wanted! I'm working on the alt.rave FAQ right now, and I'm on the "creating techno music" section. I foolishly erased all the conversation about what equipment you all use; if anyone archived that thread, could you send it to me? or even better, if someone out there would like to compile it into a cohesive whole, that would be great (and you'll get plenty of credit, don't worry), seeing as how I know very little about equipment and MIDI and such (though I am toying with the possibility of getting a DR660.. any comments?) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 08:23:33 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: a cool idea... well since we have already jumped into the information age and are grabbing technology by the hair and twisting it to make it work for us why don't we arrange to make a time where we can all jump on IRC and TALK to each other until we're silly. it wouldn't be the same as meeting each other but if we had any ideas it would be cool or just babble about anything. i'd suggest making a few channels maybe and keeping it to no more than 10 or 15 people on a channel cos it gets crazeeee if more are there. we could make the channels private and invite only if we wanted to keep it to ravers or open it up to all of irc-dom. but first we have to find out who on this list can get on irc.... what do y'all think now? e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 08:23:33 EST From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: a cool idea... well since we have already jumped into the information age and are grabbing technology by the hair and twisting it to make it work for us why don't we arrange to make a time where we can all jump on IRC and TALK to each other until we're silly. it wouldn't be the same as meeting each other but if we had any ideas it would be cool or just babble about anything. i'd suggest making a few channels maybe and keeping it to no more than 10 or 15 people on a channel cos it gets crazeeee if more are there. we could make the channels private and invite only if we wanted to keep it to ravers or open it up to all of irc-dom. but first we have to find out who on this list can get on irc.... what do y'all think now? e va n trEE /////// // /// ////// // // ////// // /////// // // // // // // ////////// - "who cares if they're /// // ////// // // /////// // legal?" /// // // // // // // /// // // ////// //////// // //////////////////////////////////////////// "growing boys need their rest in order to rave properly... :)" - becca [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 10:16:51 EST From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: samples&hardcore&such > From damir@wpi.WPI.EDU Wed Oct 28 22:57:22 1992 > also, to bring back that "it's no good cuz it's popular" debate... > did you ever notice that it's the songs with vocals and/or samples > that become popular? the masses in general tend to prefer > something they can sing along with. where's the singing?? they > exclaim. You're right. Without making alot of rash generalizations, *most* 'popular' songs of *any* music genre, but specifically techno, have either words or significant samples to 'sing along' to. It also seems that the more easily relatable the song is to the listener base, the more likely it will get assimilated into the popular scene (ie. Seasame's Treet, JBID). Now I know there are exceptions, but this is still a pretty good point. hardcore boy dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 10:50:05 EST From: Dave Hardy Subject: Blipcore (?) and FAQ On 28 Oct 1992 20:15:42 -0400 (EDT) you said: > i HIGHLY recommend the LFO 'frequencies' album... fucking AMAZING blipcore... >just thought i'd say that.. Ok, I'll bite. What is 'blipcore'? Also, to any would-be FAQ writers, here's some suggestions to put in it: 1) Definitions of terms like 'hardcore', 'trance', 'breakbeat', 'blipcore' etc... 2) Examples of bands which play the above types of music. The more examples the better, so people can go out and make some sort of informed choice what to buy. 3) What is meant by '808', '909' and other 3-character numerics. I take it these are some sort of musical instruments? I've gotten answers to some of (1) and (2) above from people on the list (thanks!) but have also gotten replies indicating I'm not the only one who doesn't know their meaning and is new to the rave/techno scene. -- >>> Dave BITNET: DAVEH@MITVMC Internet: DAVEH@MITVMC.MIT.EDU [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 11:17:54 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: full-length CD's... Jim has the 12 " of millions of colors... I think they're a house techno band. decent artwork on the cover.. it's sitting in our house.. -john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 11:20:49 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: Mask-A-Rave location This probably isn't commercialization, but yet another attempt by the masses to understand techno / rave. It will probably be akin to the NMS folk who invaded Storm Rave 5. Act least I got to rub elbows with Jeff Mills (UR) and people from R&S at that rave... :) -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 11:33:38 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: Blipcore (?) and FAQ This belons in the faq, but here goes. Hardcore: 150++ BPM music mostly created on 303's and 909's. Trance: 120-135 bpm music really mellow lots of strings and it's nice to listen to at 2 in the morning when your brain has been melted by hardcore all night Blipcore: the cheezy sounding , bleepy analog mess that bands like LFO make. I don't know any other examples. sorry. 808, 909, other three-number names... Roland produced a series of electronic instruments in the early 80's all with three character names. There's the 101 synth, the 303 bass line sequencer (popular for acid house) the 404 synth, the 505 drum machine (the 505 is one of the first drum machines to use PWM samples for creation of drum sounds) there's a 707 drum machine and the 727 . the 727 features latin noises instead of the normal drum kit (miami sound machine uses alot of 727 sounds. listen for them if you can stand it) the 808 drum machine has that big beautiful whooooommmmmm kick associated with early house (not to mention drippy sustained highhat noises and snares). the 909 is a midiable pounding drum machine, it kicks. it's used in hardcore techno the majority of hardcore bands I've seen live have a simple 3 part setup some sort of sampler workstation/sequencer hooked up to a 909 and then the 909 syncs the 303. some even bring a dat machine along for backing tracks. hope it helps. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 11:19 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Blipcore (?) and FAQ If you all can get alt.rave a FAQ about raves and techno was posted there last night. If you can't get alt.rave and REALLY want the FAQ send me some mail -- I'll go dig it out and send it along to you. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 29 Oct 1992 11:43:53 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Blipcore (?) and FAQ 'blipcore' is a term that i came up with and use with my friends (it's no "official" term..but, it should be!) that describes realy bleepy and blippy music...with little drums ...like kraftwerk or LFO... stuff like that...does that make any sense? also, 808's and 909's are drum machines made by Roland that are the standard machines for making techno and the likes.. a TB-303 is a bassline machine.. TR-707,808, and 909 are drum machines...all of this stuff is quite old.. early-mid 80's.. but because of it's analog sound (blippy, acidic, bubly) it is the backbone of techno... >>taylor808 ...your mind becomes the microchip, the angel is the beat.. [square wave fetish team] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 11:49:19 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: Mask-A-Rave location > This probably isn't commercialization, but yet another attempt by the > masses to understand techno / rave. I agree. All the ad meant to me was that the rave is above ground, and IMHO, above ground does not imply commercial. And while CMJ may be seen as a commercialization of college radio, at least it didn't say, "Sponsored by Sony Music Entertainment." Besides, as long as there's an underground scene, it doesn't matter that the above gound scene will do whatever it wants. -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: full-length CD's... Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 11:34:11 MST > I think manypeople have said that the Future sound of London disc is really > really good. Is this true > ? I like the song by them that is on the cool world soundtrack if that > would be any indication. So anyway my real question is: is this album > out domestically? I haven't seen it available on domestic yet. I would have thought that one of the majors would have swooped down on Jumpin & Pumpin by now, but apparently not. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: your equipment conversation - wanted! Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 13:51:01 EST john, all.. i can repost if you want. also, i can tell you what everything that i have does i am thinking that we are someday gonna brew something fucking big, taylor and allon's post/talk sessions make me just want to go off and rewire and build all of my own shit.. which i am in the process of. i am going to talk to some electrical engineering students and professors here. we have a good dept i think so i should get some good info. the first thing that they make is a DSP chip on p spice, an electronic breadboard circuit making program for many platforms >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< meanwhile, as i work on soldering my wah wah pedal back together, i am working on a CV/gate output into the television somehow. plus, i am making an oscilloscope adapter for my TV so i can play with that too. interactive. well. i don;t know what else you want to know, but lets keep this conversation going. taylor and i have been brewing up a storm of sinewaves ^. ^ ^ / [ ] [ ] . tweaking the limits of my time varient filter / [_ [_] ..,.....+*= sines >>> e n h a n c e m e n t >>>> body release. sinewave.time filtered. | pulsed >>> respond by: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | oscillated 384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201 >>614.299.9529 | stretched [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: Blipcore (?) and FAQ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 14:11:54 EST john is right but john is wrong tooo:: there is no 404 synth, there is a MC.202. it is a microcomposer that means that you can program songs into it. it saves to tape. it has sync in/out/through as well as CV/gate in and out. why do i know? because i have one. very small keys (like rubber buttons.) also it makes some of the best bass sounds. comparable to nothing. the circuitry in it produces a rounder sound than the 303 (squelchy) and the 101 (noisy) NJOI and prodigy have stuff that is either a MIDIed 202 or altogether something. in live in manchester, they say, marky on the bassline, and it goes, BBBommeee. that is it. liam howlett used it in everybody's in the place... the famous bassline also, more corrections.. there is a 606. it syncs with the 303 (they were made for each other) and it is also called a drumatix. same size as a 303. real electronic sounds also, there is a 626, it is midi and it has latin percussion. after the 505. and the 929. latin version of the 909. midi also, you need to talk about the sh-0X series there is the sh-01, sh-07, and the sh-09 off hand. the sh-09 has similar circuitry to the 808., the sh-01 is like the sh101 but with different organization. big and clunky. you can switch from white to pink noise generation/ \ and there is the modular system series. the system 100-m, the system 500-m (?) and the system 700-m (?) i think. a bunch of modules of filters and oscillators that you can patch cord together and control with a cv/gate controller keyboard that is full size keep in mind that the 101 and sh-01 is a half size synth. _ the 303 has buttons that are this size [ ] [_] ___ and the 202 buttons are this size [ ] [___] i have the sh101, mc202, and tb303 taylor has the 808 my friend james has the 909, 606, 626, and sh-01 plus a 303 also, the set up for the typical 3 piece is not a three piece. try 4 909 master controller. using a sysex command MIDI to sampler (cybersonik used an akai s950) MIDI to 707. additional percussion MIDI (sync out) used the sync out into the 303 so it is on beat. (sync in cv/gate out) sync and cv/gate and midi are all three different systems. the pin jack on a 303 is not the same as a MIDI jack. looks like it but guess again. MIDI was made in 1983 (i think) or 1984. the 303 , 101, 202, 606, and the sh-0x series plus modular series was before all that. got it? syncing my brain to my 303 to my 101 and producing noise ridden sounds...... sines >>> e n h a n c e m e n t >>>> body release. sinewave.time filtered. | pulsed >>> respond by: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | oscillated 384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201 >>614.299.9529 | stretched [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: John.Deere@lambada.oit.unc.edu Subject: SUBSCRIBE Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 15:11:58 EST SUBSCRIBE ne-raves John Deere John.Deere@bbs.oit.unc.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 29 Oct 1992 15:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: 404 !?!?! john, there's no such machine as a 404... :) wish there was though..it's anice number... there is however an MC202. it's called a microcomposer.. basically it's a simple (non-midi) sequncer with a built in tone generator...apparently N-JOI uses them for all of their bass lines.. (info from our resident synthhack: sines..) >> taylor808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 29 Oct 1992 15:36:20 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: massively similar brain waves... after i read john's message about the '404' and before i read todd's reply, i replied (you've probably seen it by now) to john...and, well, i said the same thing todd did! :) sorry for the repetition.. i guess i should read all of my mail before i respond.. oh well... but hey todd... you forgot that i've got an SH-101 as well as the 808... :).. i want a 202!!!!!!! oh, i've got a 707 too... and hey, i didn't know there was a 929...are you SURE about that?? >>taylor808 [ square wave fetish team] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 15:39:05 -0500 Subject: latest? Has anyone heard the new prodigy disc yet? I really want to know what it's like since just about everything they put out is amazing... anybody anybody anybody anybody anybody... silicon dreams and cybernetic wishes, -d^2 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 16:37 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: rave-related injuries You all aren't going to believe this, but I swear it is true: I just got back from the doctor because I thought I was showing the symptoms of conjuctivitis (pink eye, execuse me if I spelled it wrong). The doctor asked me tons of questions, put this international orange dye in my eyes, and looked around a lot and told me I didn't have pink eye because the con-whatever wasn't inflamed. Then he asked me if I'd been looking into any bright lights lately. I thought back to the light beams and the strobe at BOLD II. I told him about it. It seems I fried my eyes looking at the strobe too much. I have very light-sensitive eyes anyway, and usually wear sunglasses at raves to look funky. BOLD II, in fact, was the first rave in which I did *not* wear my sunglasses. I guess my sunglasses have been serving a useful purpose! Gotta go buy those eye drops he prescribed . . . . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 15:27:32 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: rave-related injuries Did you tell him about the lasers? I would think those would be more dangerous than any strobes... Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 18:41:37 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: TIPS Saturday is the big day:the masquerave! My first rave. I wanted to get some tips, pointers, etc on what people think I should or need to bring besides mind body and soul (I guess sunglasses are in order). Also, any suggestions for a funky name. I like Technopagan Priest so I figured since i am moslem (not very devout, fortunately or unfortunately,depending on how you look at it) how about Technoinfidel Sheik? Yes? No? By the way, who's planning to be at the masquerave in dc? Maybe we can meet sometime during the night? hani hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 19:24:55 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Re: a cool idea... To: t r E E Cc: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <199210291324.AA64374@ns2.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Message-Id: re: ne-raves IRC. Cool. Really cool. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: IRC chat thing. NO!!! Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 21:41:07 EST sorry, but i would rather not do the IRC chat thing... whY? cause i don't have IRC access. i suggest that we could do a muck thing. i thought that more people have access to telneting than they would IRC'ing. so, what muck would we like to do? i think it is time for me to ask that the people of ne-raves try my personal muck... HOLOMUCK 128.135.120.46 5757 it is based in Chicago. i know one of the wizards, and he is interested in having a lot of people like that on there. if this is unacceptable, then tell me of another. i can help you out if you decide to use it. i am the character "sines" a lot of people know about techno and one guy kept asking about the difference between the 808 and 909, etc it could be fun. living PUREly on breadboards and oscillators.... sines >>> e n h a n c e m e n t >>>> body release. sinewave.time filtered. | pulsed >>> respond by: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | oscillated 384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201 >>614.299.9529 | stretched [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 23:36:34 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: 303 808 909 no that's not my phone number or something... so how hard would it be to find, say, a 303 and a 909, and how much might it cost me. i assume i'm talking used here, but i don't know. are all the 3-digits discontinued or what? mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump <-- genuine 808 sound Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 23:56:49 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: korg poly-800 i forget who it was now, but a couple people said they had poly-800s. i have one of these that i bought used a while back and i have NO MANUAL. :( if someone could copy some or all of whatever documentation they have for me i would be most grateful. i would, of course, be happy to pay for copying, postage, and time spent in a boring activity. thanks, mike PS - is this illegal? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 30 Oct 1992 00:27:29 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: 303 808 909 go lookin' for a 3 digit roland # 5 years ago and you could find them every- where for nothing...but, thanks to rap, acid house and techno, they're now rare and somewhat pricey machines.... rogue music in NYC is the best place to find them. they often will have a TR-808 or TR-909. for about $500-$600 each...sometimes they get in TB-303's.. though i'm not sure how much those are...$400 tops. check pawn shops and stuff like that... togue music is the biggest USED keyboard store in the states. they do massive mail order around the country. their # is 212 629 3708 basically, because of the renewed interest in those things, they're harder to find. however, you can find 808 and 909 samples in sound cards for the roland R-8 drum machine...a new, very hip and easy to find box...there's minimal 808 stuff in the dr-550 rhythm box by roland..and i hear that the dr-550mkII has some 909 stuff.. the renewed interest has also spawned psuedo 808 waveforms in rhythm boxes such as the Kawai-XD-5... don't ya think that roland would make a KILLING RE-releasing everything!?! imagine how cool that would be!?!? ack. digital pulses digital pulses >>taylor808 [square wave fetish team] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 30 Oct 1992 00:30:05 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: 303 808 909 oopss.. let me also add (and to answer mike's question).. YES, the classik roland 3-digit stuff is also discontinued. you will only be able to find it used...most of the stuff came out in the early 80's...though machines like the 707 and 505 were later...mid-late 80's.. so, that adds to the difficulty in finding such wonderous devices. big hollow square >>taylor909 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 09:25:01 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Help! I having problems with the ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu mail address. Some of my mail messages go thru, others don't (with or without a MAILER-DAEMON error message). I am able to receive messages ok (I think). Got any ideas? CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 18:06:02 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: more on Amana Micro Rave... Ok. This is all I found out after calling a BUNCH of places... The location of the rave used to be called the LePages Steak House, but is now a club called Mickey Finn's. The phone number of this club is (508) 238-8920. [The owner(?) didn't know all that much... for example, I asked to find out more information on the "Amana Micro Rave" and he almost hung up on me... I had to rephase the question... :) ] I'm not sure exactly who the promoter is, but the number of the guy is (508) 238-9165. His name is Sean. The number on the flyer is one of the promoters too, but as I said before, I only got a recording which repeated the stuff on the flyer. The club opens at 10 pm and closes at 2 am. If someone else wants to call that guy Sean for more info, be my guest. CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 19:54:19 EST From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: mail problems I'm having problems mailing to this address. Some messages get through, others get returned with an error message. So, I know you guys hate this, but t h i s i s a t e s t ! ! ! My apologies... My last mail message was info about the Amana micro rave... I ended up calling a bunch of places just to get this info... Did anyone receive this? CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 02:59:03 -0500 Subject: Re: TIPS We're having a pre-rave party in Greenbelt if you are interested... UMRaveList Party Map--Large Scale ================================= Party is Sat. Oct 31 7:30 PM till about 10:30 PM or so... Phone number is (301) 441-9384 To Philly, To York, New York and Points North Harrisburgh * & * & * & * & * %%%%%%%%*%%% & == Route 83 %%% * % * == Route 95 % Balti- $ % $ == Fort Mc. Henry Tunnel % more * % % == 695, the Baltimore Beltway % * %%% %%%%%%*%%%%% * * * * * * # == Route 495, the west half of * the DC Beltway * 2 #####1**** 1 == The big 95/495 split...bear ### 4 * left ### /=\ * 2 == Greenbelt, where the party is # / \ * # / DC \ * 3 == MusicNow # \ 3 / * # \ / * 4 == The University of # \=/ * Maryland ##************ * * * * Phred@wam.umd.edu says: Ok, first I will tell you how to get to Crescent Road in Greenbelt from every possible (I hope) direction. >From campus: - North on Rt 1 to Greenbelt Rd / 193 east (I think.. towards Beltway Plaza at least) - Go PAST Beltway Plaza, and turn LEFT at Kenilworth (not as easy as it sounds, but you'll figure it out) - Once on Kenilworth, go PAST the DC Beltway exit/entrance points - The next light after this stuff is Crescent Rd; turn RIGHT >From DC beltway, heading south: - Take Kenilworth exit (there is only one) - Keep LEFT, and you will come to a light, at which you will turn left - Drive PAST any other DC Beltway exit/entrance points - The next light after this stuff is Crescent Rd; turn RIGHT >From DC Beltway, heading north: - Take Kenilworth exit (once again, there is only one) - Keep to the RIGHT - You will end up in a merge lane on Kenilworth; STAY IN THIS LANE - Staying in this lane will take you to the RIGHT, onto Crescent Rd. OK, now that you are on Crescent Rd, turn immediately to the LEFT (well... maybe 100 ft or so). This is Ridge Rd. You will drive past the Greenbelt Polic e Station, and come to a stop sign. Go straight, and you will head into the Lak e Side North apartment complex. You should probably park right alongside the ro ad here, as there aren't many unnumbered spots available in our parking lots. If you park in a numbered spot, you'll probably be towed. (Which brings to the suggestion that car pooling may be wise.) My apartment is in building 436, and it's apartment #1. The easiest way to enter is from around back. Here's a simple map: ^L | * <--THE PLACE The path shown | represents the roads | to follow to the back |______|_ of my building. You (small lot) | can of course cut ________/ across the lot / <----- park along here on foot! | | <> (stop sign) | ___ |<- (Ridge Rd.) | | | | | | |___| <-(police station) | ________|_________ (Crescent Rd) And remember the rule - Be prepared to remove your shoes once inside! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 03:49:52 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (rise and shine) Subject: Re: 303 808 909 Roland re-releasing those boxes would be a dream come true.. ...sigh.... They'll never do it. they day they do is the day I run to the store and buy 'em all up. the Xd-5 has loads of sorta-808ish sounds, enough of a difference to give you an original, unique sound. why be like everyone else. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Something for the FAQ (Re: Help!) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 10:52:10 EST Something for the FAQ perhaps? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] > Some of my mail messages go thru, others don't > (with or without a MAILER-DAEMON error message). I am able > to receive messages ok (I think). The ne-raves mailing list is of the "reflector" sort, i.e., mail to ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu is immediately forwarded to all addresses on the list. At any given time, mail to one or more of the 175+ peo- on the list is likely to not get through. When this happens, "bounce messages", usually from some site's MAILER-DAEMON, get sent back to (among others) the originator of the message. This only means that the message didn't make it to that specific address. The message will almost certainly get through eventually, as the site that generated the bounce message will attempt to deliver it for as long as a month before finally giving up. As a member of the list, you get copies of every message sent to it, including your own. Receiving a copy of a message you sent indicates that your message did indeed make it to the list. If you get a bounce message before getting your copy of your message, check the headers of the bounce message. If any of the "Received:" headers mentions the site silver.lcs.mit.edu, then your message got to the list. If *your* site crashes, don't worry. Others on the list will get bounce messages from the site just upstream of yours as long as yours is down, but when your site returns to service, all the mail coming to you will get through (usually all at once). -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 11:04:18 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: more equipment discussion today's essay question: Compare and contrast analog and digital synthesizers, paying particular attention to differences in sound (output) and differences in use and programming (input). You may wish to discuss how different synthesizers you've used work. 3-5 pages typed, double spaced, one-inch margins, no big fonts. Begin. the only thing i've ever programmed is my (now oft-mentioned) korg poly-800II. what are those... thingies... waveforms. i know (or believe, at least) that some synths work by playing with waves more directly, but i really know very little. mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump <-- genuine cool 808 sounds Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: rave-related injuries Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 11:15:51 EST > Did you tell him about the lasers? It certainly can't hurt to tell the doctor about the lasers, especially if eye problems arise immediately after working with them. However... > I would think those would be > more dangerous than any strobes... Only if you catch a steady beam directly in your eye. A scanning, low-power (<10mW) beam crossing your eye a time or two is pretty much harmless. Although concentrated, there's really not that much light there. Not only that, the point-source characteristic of laser light results in very localized damage (i.e. a tiny retina burn), as opposed to flooding your entire field of view with lots of really bright light, contrasted with almost total darkness, as happens with the high-powered strobes used at raves. (Plays total hell with your iris muscles!) Think about it: strobes light up an entire room, but lasers don't. Even a class-IV beam (>1 watt) needs to be scattered by a lot of fog to generate significant ambient light. (Soapbox: This makes me wonder why we have such strict laser laws in the U.S., but no restrictions whatever on other light sources.) -Ed Lazer: Light Amplification by Ztimulated Emission of Radiation [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Heh heh heh Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 9:35:58 MST Just found a TB303 for $125 and a TR808 for $300. I'd tell everyone where they are, but unfortunately, they only had one of each in stock. :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: IRC chat thing. NO!!! (fwd) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 9:40:51 MST > cause i don't have IRC access. i suggest that we could do a muck thing. i > thought that more people have access to telneting than they would IRC'ing. Anyone with access to telnet has access to IRC. You can telnet into several sites running IRC clients. Don't ask me what they are. You could also ftp in bu.cs.edu and get the source and compile it on your machine. > so, what muck would we like to do? i think it is time for me to ask that the > people of ne-raves try my personal muck... I personally hate muck's and mud's for conversation. Large pain in the ass. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 11:42 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: more on rave-related injuries I recall reading or hearing somewhere that strobes have been used as instruments of torture, and that the effects of a strobing light can cause mental and physical reactions including confusion and nausea. I left BOLD II early because I was feeling sick -- very dopey and sick to my stomach. Joe, Becca, and John can attest to this. Seems that having no lights other than a very bright strobe in the room for over an hour can cause adverse affects in some people. Maybe some of those times people have gotten sick at raves have less to do with what chemicals they were putting into their bodies and more to do with the effects of MANY dB of sound + MANY hours of strobe lights. By the way, thanks everyone who wished me well about my eyes. They are improving -- yesterday was the wost. Today at least I could open both of them when I woke up. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 12:01:41 -0500 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I can smell my nose hairs) Subject: Re: IRC chat thing. NO!!! (fwd) There is an IRC daemon at bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu. Just telnet to that site and log in. There's already a channel usually on IRC as "#Rave_Scene"... but few people are ever on it. What are we waiting for? /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 12:07:57 -0500 Subject: Re: rave-related injuries At the last catastrophic rave they had an argon laser that I was told ranged in the upper 10s of Watts...this thing was GORGEOUS!!!! It was creating fluid lissajous patterns on a wall about 100 feet away! and they said that tomorrow nights is going to be their biggest visual show yet!!! silicon dreams and cybernetic wishes, -d^2 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 12:38 EST From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: IRC chat thing. NO!!! (fwd) Joe writes: >There is an IRC daemon at bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu. >Just telnet to that site and log in. Forgive my stupidity, but log in as WHO? And with what password? Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 17:47 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: (Forwarded) Re: IRC chat thing. NO!!! (fwd) My mail system (MCI Mail) is a "batch" mail type environment. Does anybody know how I could log into telnet using a Terminal program in order to participate in the IRC chats? There is no interface from MCI Mail to ftp sites, news sites, etc. (Kinda sucks if you ask me.) --------------------------------- Forwarded message via: mailbox 1, EMCCORMICK on MCI ** Message Received OK Date: Fri Oct 30, 1992 12:22 pm EST Source-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 12:01:41 -0500 From: I can smell my nose hairs EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu TO: * Eric McCormick / MCI ID: 477-5674 TO: ne raves EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu TO: pashdown EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com Subject: Re: IRC chat thing. NO!!! (fwd) Message-Id: 63921030172236/0003765414NA3EM Source-Msg-Id: <9210301701.AA23701@silver.lcs.mit.edu> There is an IRC daemon at bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu. Just telnet to that site and log in. There's already a channel usually on IRC as "#Rave_Scene"... but few people are ever on it. What are we waiting for? /joe --------------------------------- End forwarded message [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: IRC chat thing. NO!!! Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 11:12:13 MST > >There is an IRC daemon at bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu. > >Just telnet to that site and log in. > > Forgive my stupidity, but log in as WHO? And with what password? I think you log in as "irc", then use your mail account as your password. Similar to ftp. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 13:10:15 EST From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: More laser stuph > At the last catastrophic rave they had an argon laser that I was told ranged > in the upper 10s of Watts...this thing was GORGEOUS!!!! > It was creating fluid lissajous patterns on a wall about 100 feet away! That must have been incredibly bright. At 100ft, a 500mW beam is more than adequate for most environments. If you ever find yourself in Atlanta during the summer, be sure to catch the laser show they do at Stone Mountain every night. (It's free with admission to the park, which was $4.00/car the last time I was there.) They use a 20W mixed-gas tube to project animation onto the side of the mountain. The projected image is about a quarter *mile* square, making it, they claim, the single biggest projection anywhere. FYI, those 20W tubes are about the biggest visible-light continuous- wave lasers you can buy off-the-shelf. They cost about $50K, and take 60A of 480V three-phase power. Even the optics are water-cooled. -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: EYE OUR SEA - Chapter I Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 11:17:28 MST Internet Communications & Your Tax Dollar Presents EYE OUR SEA - Chapter I Thursday, November 10th, 1992 - 11:00PM GMT IRC Channel - #Rave (NOT the dead #Rave_Scene) Join the faceless throngs as we commune via electron in a megacharged dance within the ether. Bring a music source and listen to YOUR favorite hits as YOU become the DJ for the first time in rave history. Lights by Your Local Electric Company 100 Billion Watts of Electrical Connections More Computers Than You Can Shake a Stick At FREE VIRTUAL REALITY Use this handy guide to figure out What Time is Love America: PST: 2:00PM MST: 3:00PM CST: 4:00PM EST: 5:00PM [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 13:41:43 -0500 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: (Forwarded) Re: IRC chat thing. NO!!! (fwd) To use IRC and telnet, you need an account on a machine which allows telnet. The days of the dialup public-access servers are gone. Also, some sites (like mine) severely discourace telnet and irc access during prime time. On a slow machine, a couple of irc users can make a DRAMATIC slowdown. We don't allow it before midnight or 1 am because it really hurts; we have to save the cycles for students doing course work. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 18:47 GMT From: Eric McCormick <0004775674@mcimail.com> Subject: (Forwarded) More laser stuph >If you ever find yourself in Atlanta during the summer, be sure to catch >the laser show they do at Stone Mountain every night. (It's free with >admission to the park, which was $4.00/car the last time I was there.) >They use a 20W mixed-gas tube to project animation onto the side of >the mountain. The projected image is about a quarter *mile* square, >making it, they claim, the single biggest projection anywhere. Also, check out Disney World's show at 9:00 in the "World Showcase" area. (The back of the EPCOT center.) During the show they shine lasers into water jet sprays in the middle of a big lake, and also onto the big EPCOT globe itself. They even have a rotating "world" laser script that they play that makes it look like earth rotating. Definitely cool. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 14:02:39 -0500 (EST) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Re: TIPS I'll be at Masquerave. look for me and Damian, i'll be wearing my NE-raves badge(dunno about Damian). Mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 30 Oct 1992 14:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: new Havoc Music comp idea... hey, all you musicians... i just had an idea... i think it would be really COOL to release a compilation on my label of techno bands from ne-raves... JUST ne-raves bands...i could not only sell it in my usual manners (stores, mail order) but we could sell it over the net too...so other people can hear what their net-mates are doing.. whattya think? i would have to get at least 6 bands to do an ep cassette...but it would be fun to do 12 or so bands and do an lp cassette... you are also welcome to do different songs under different band names (something i love doing) as long as they sound somewhat different, thus justifying the other name... i would collect DAT masters from the bands, do the artwork and compile the tunes...i think it would be amazing..and loads of fun...and it would help out my label as well... so, if anyone's intersted, get back to me...if only 3 or so people respond, theni can't do it.. let me know if you're interested, roughly what your sound is like, and how many different songs (and band names) you wish to do. ...who knows.. maybe this won't work at all...but it could.. and i think it's worth a try.. i already know that some of you have expressed interest in being on my label anyway.. we'll see! >>taylor808 neurologikal kapacity beyond that of mere humans [ pulse code modulated ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: Re: 808 vs Dr550mkII Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 14:53:17 EST good idea on the 303 but... do you want the REAL thing, or not? that is probably the question. i personally would buy an 808 just for the sake of HAVING an <<808>> but i prefer the 909. now, the 808 does NOT have MIDI, neither does the 303. but you can sync the 808 with the 303. the dr550mkII probably has drums SAMPLES from the 808, 909, and a load of other drum machines (Boss is owned by Roland) and you could probably do more TECHNO stuff with that. but with the 808, you can tune the shit out of it and a whole lot more than you could with just tuning the pitch with the dr550mkII hmm. the choice is yours. for your intents and purposes (which i think is fast TECHNO) then i would probably buy the dr550mkII but in the long run i would regret not buying the god drum machine.... pulsing ever so slowly sines >>> e n h a n c e m e n t >>>> body release. sinewave.time filtered. | pulsed >>> respond by: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | oscillated 384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201 >>614.299.9529 | stretched sines [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 14:53:40 -0500 (EST) From: Damian T Higgins Subject: Here is message Hello! I am going to be at Masquerave and I want to meet all you ne-ravers! Look for the small guy with the big clothes and the black EXXON knit ski cap. I will also be wearing my ne-raves medallion that I got at Laura's. I cant wait to see all of you! dieselBoy/Damian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 12:29:33 -0800 From: Robert Campanell Subject: ne-raves compilation I think the idea of a ne-raves compilation is great!. We had kicked around the idea some time ago. It's good to see it come around again. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 15:34:08 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: Re: 808 vs Dr550mkII having played around with my dr-550 for a while now, one thing i would say is that i would like to be able to tune the sounds a little more. you don't get that much to play with. besides, some of the best effects i've created on that little thing have been by setting many drumpads to the same voice with different parameter settings (i.e. panning across while decreasing level, or varying color). having created some really great effects on my simple korg through realtime parameter fiddling (i have a composition called realtime which is entirely devoted to such messing around - over 15 minutes of one note mutated through all sorts of parameter settings), i would love to be able to do that more with the drum machine. (at this point i want to combine the parameter-setting features of the korg with the programming features of the boss to get something easy to program and very flexible... maybe some day) mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Boink Boink Boink Boink-boink Boink Boink Boink Boink-boink Boink Boink Boink Boink-boink Boink Boink Boink-boink Boink <-- genuine cool dr-550 sounds Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: EYE OUR SEA - Correction (duh) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 13:33:01 MST > Thursday, November 10th, 1992 - 11:00PM GMT I don't know how I managed to make this mistake, but after being corrected by Brian, I realized it. Therefore, change the above line to: Thursday, November 5th, 1992 - 11:00PM GMT I hope I haven't completely screwed everyone up. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 15:40:31 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: other people playing my homemade music a friend of mine who has heard a few of my compositions wants to play them on her radio show. but she says i should copyright them first. how do i go about doing this? second, as i've said before, we're talking low-budget production - all of my stuff is on regular old tape, recorded through my regular old stereo. are people going to want to hear this? those of you (taylor808? others?) who have labels, radio shows, or whatever, would you want to hear something ON TAPE? mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump <-- genuine cool 808 sounds Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 16:01:27 -0500 Subject: Re: 808 vs Dr550mkII hey, is a 303 a digital instrument? or a n a l o g ? do any of you guys use minimoogs or any kind of moogs for bass or whatever? gallium arsenide dreams and cybernetic wishes, -d^2 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: the beloved Subject: Re: full length cds... Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 15:54:02 -0500 : i HIGHLY recommend the LFO 'frequencies' album... fucking AMAZING blipcore... : : just thought i'd say that.. I second that! I went on a speaker hunt and brought LFO to try out on some JBL's. A second salesman walked in with a customer and rudely interrupted "We are Back." He looks at me with a "what the hell was that?" look and proceeds to play, as he put it, something that'll "really rock" : "Simply Irresistable" by Palmer. *sigh* Paul -- beloved@virginia.edu psc9q@holmes.acc.virginia.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Se-Wai Lee Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 13:21:56 PST Subject: RE: other people playing my homemade music Mike Perkowitz writes: : :a friend of mine who has heard a few of my compositions wants to play them :on her radio show. but she says i should copyright them first. how do i go :about doing this? second, as i've said before, we're talking low-budget :production - all of my stuff is on regular old tape, recorded through my :regular old stereo. are people going to want to hear this? those of you :(taylor808? others?) who have labels, radio shows, or whatever, would you :want to hear something ON TAPE? : :mike The dynamic range of good metal or chrome tape is equivalent, if not better, than that of FM radio. Assuming you record using good tape and maybe Dolby C (or dbx, if yours and the radio's deck support it), there should be no problem. As for copyrights, your original work is automatically copyrighted upon creation (at least that's how it works with paper and software); just insert a copyright notice on some tangible facsimile of your music (sheet music, printout, cassette tape label, whatever) before distribution to make it legally defensible. You can register it with the Copyright Office if you're so inclined, but that's really overkill. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 30 Oct 1992 16:36:18 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: other people playing my homemade music tape is the medium that Havoc Music uses. it's the cheapest and fastest.. i just don't have the budget to do anything else...however, all of our mastering is done to DAT, sometimes with Sound Tools or whatever, if we can get it.. so, to answer your question: SURE, i'd love to hear anything on tape! and, as far as the copyright thing goes...you can get a hold of a copyright form..either from you city hall..or sometimes from a pharmacy that sells legal forms..you can also write the copyright office (in DC or whereever it is).. the form is fairly standard....you send it in, with the stuff (music in your case) that you want copyrighted.. and, it costs $20..or so.. maybe even more now ...however, there honestly isn't a need to 'officially' copyright anything unless you're getting a lot of publicity...some of my stuff is copyrighted.. some of it not.. i really don't worry about it...and i've never had any problems... i usually just say 'copyright..' on the tape cover..a cheap, semi-official way to do it is to send yourself in the mail, the thing you want cpyrighted...when you get it..DON'T OPEN IT.. ever. the postage date on it will be proof of WHEN the music was completed... another reason much of my stuff isn't copyrighted is because of my sampling beliefs...i come from a 'school' that believes in creative sampling.. in fact, my TOXIC BEATBOX releases even say something to the effect of "please feel free to sample, CREATIVELY, bits of this sound recording"... >>taylor101 [ square wave fetish team ] ..black as science.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 16:42:06 -0500 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: Re: other people playing your music Mike, I haven't done a music copyright in years (since I had my own record label back in the early 80's), but here's waht you need to do (unless there have been some changes). IF the musical "work" is not published, that is, has not been distributed or sold in multiple copies, get form SR-U (Sound Recording-Unpublished) from the Copyright Office in Washington DC (some Federal Office Buildings in big cities such as NY and Boston have forms you can pick up in person). Fill out all the spaces, decalre you are the "sole author: (unless you want to identify sampled sounds as "pre-existing sounds," but if you do this you will have to explain how you obtained the right to sample them; it's best not to open that can o' worms at all). THEN make 2 tape copies of your musical work or works, and send them with form SR-U and $15 to the Copyright office; within 8 weeks or so you'll get a little certificate of copyright (they make great placemats, and will do for a dustpan if you can't find one) -- you will then be legally protected. IF on the other hand the work is to be published, get form SR, and send it with two copies of the work AS PUBLISHED . . otherwise it's the same deal . . . --Russell Potter rapotter@colby.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 16:09:44 EST From: damian@cislabs.pitt.edu Subject: ME! hello to everyone at masquerave! if you are there..look for me. i will be wearing a black EXXON knit ski cap! come up and say hello. introduce yourself. i cant wait! dieselBoy/damian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: part one of UOS #7 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 14:40:08 EST U N D E R O N E S K Y thanks to neraves and sfraves for distributing this file Issue #7 10/92 U.O.S. Inside the human brain exists a vast network of uncharted territory concealed by the subconscious a complex array of images sounds sights feelings emotions thoughts questions answers to which we are oblivious from day to day locked behind the doors of reality the key is in a hyperreal state a trance an experience a voyage a resolution of all things physical a trip induced by factors and environments within the bounds of our own control from day to day to act not with the body but the mind relaxation meditation imagination to release all conscious thought and traverse the expanse of theory contemplation fantasy an alternate reality always present but never confronted to see the world in a different shade of thought where nothing is unreasonable impossible unreachable unsolvable and for one brief moment to realize that everything in the world is all in your head. EZ WHIP SAN FRANSISCO UNDER ONE SKY Letters 3-5 ACIIEEEEEEEED/The History 6 DJ Abel Interview from Down Under 7 Current State O f R***S 8 DJAX UP BEATS Label Profile 10 Charts Center Music Reviews 16 Around The Globe 20 Trivia 23 Thanks to: Mr Hyde, Joe Fax & the entire THUNDERGROUND Posse for being so commited to the cause.. Olaf at POD COMMUNICATIONS. Holger(Big Brother). Olivier at ROUND & ROUND, DANCE OPERA, 2 TUFF. All at N.E.W.S./MUSIC MAN & DJ Stephan-Belgium. Everyone at WATTS MUSIC NY. PLANET X-NJ. TORONTO UNDERGROUND REC. Heinrich Tillack & his 909 for inspiration. Bones. Damen at NCP. Cousin Sal & his posse for being so hardcore. Krishan & Abel-peace to the Sydney underground. DJAX UP BEATS-A visio n of the past shaping the future. SEE SAW. RAVESCENE MAGAZEEN UK Posse. JELLY JAM-Don't stop what you are doing. Josh Wink. Kenny Keltz. NOW Record Store Germany. Sjon at BOUDISQUE. Tarik at PURE GROOVE RECORDS London. Joel at TURBO ZEN RECORDS Pittsburg. Chris Beaumont SF. HOUSEWARES SF. Dave Trance. INSTINCT RECORDS. DJ TOM. DISCO FAMILY PLAN. Underground Djs in sync. Coen Noordencorp/FREAKY RECORDS. Mr. Kleen. OBSCURE DIMENSIONS UK. ZAZABOEM/KK Records. DEJA VU UK.. Mad Mike @ UR Detroit. Sadie. Aaron. Gary Dillon. Digital Deviants/NJ. SHOUT OUT TO: Lenny & Jennifer. Mike Hoppe at EMBARGO Germany. Jimmy Crash. The NY underground. The RI underground. RHYTHMOS Magazine. TRIP ZINE Florida. Rob Boskamp at RAMS HORN. Armin at DISCOMANIA. Renegade NJ. Joel, Perry, James, Isiah & Felix-Mass. Hardcore. Under One Sky Produced and Edited by: Heather Lotruglio Logo by Enrique Design: Chuck Fletcher Interviews: Heather, Krishan Writers: Adam X, Heather, Cousin Sal. General Secretary: Mom Ad rates are given upon request ( 0101) 718-646-8077 Send anything and everything to: Heather Lotruglio 2249 E. 21 St . Brooklyn, NY 11229 USA There is one area of concern that desperately needs to be addressed in this issue. So many "undergrou nd" D.J.s and publications compromise the integrity of our scene by supporting the commercial tunes in order to gain acceptance from the many, or produce music on the commercial tip in order to get a deal. The ravers connot keep up with the fast flow of new music from the underground without direction from the D.J.'s and publications. We do everything possible to make sure we're up to date. that means lots of last minute long nights in front of the computer before we hit the streets. What would be the point of this publication if we charted records that were 6 months old or previously released on another label? (Attention labels: please send information and test pressings before they are released!) The rave marks a beautiful time in the history of the world. We are one-whoever we are,.where ever we are. Always remember the music brought us together. The music crossed the lines of race, gender, distance, language and hate. We love the scene and we want it to grow, thats why we have to protect the underground and keep the vibe alive. MUSIC!TECHNOLOGY!INFORMATION!MUSIC!TECHNOLOGY!INFORMATION!MUSIC!TECHNOLOGY!INFORMATION!MUSIC!TECHNOLOGY!INFORMATION!MUSIC!TECHNOLOGY!INFORMATION!. UNDER ONE SKY IS AVAILABLE FROM THESE FINE STORES: PLANET X New Jersey THING ONE Tulsa Oklahoma TURBO ZEN Pittsburg Pennsylvania SHUT UP & DANCE Baton Rouge Lousianna Rapture Records Portland Oregon Groove Records Brooklyn NY HOUSEWARE S San Fransisco CA Subscriptions are available at: Under One Sky U.S $20.00 22 49 E 21 Street APT 4F Overseas $40.00 By US PAY Brooklyn, N.Y. 11229 POSTAL ORDER or CASH ONLY Make checks payable to Heather Lotruglio. Send mail to: Heather Lotruglio 2249 E. 21 St . Brooklyn, NY 11229 USA Letters ADAM X, I read your commentary in U1S. All I have to say is this DETROIT? QUIET? Not only is Detroit active, we are radio active and rest assured our fallout is coming your way. We at UNDERCURRENT REC have just released our maiden project Q BIK MUZ in June. Not only that, we have something else for your ass... our Q BIK MUZ Can You Feel It featuring BRIDGETTE GRACE to be released with the quickness. Feel safe in assuming that this new release is going straight for the jugular vein of those big bird-butt sniffing-kermit the frog-ball licking-crayola crayon eating-techno baby wanna-bees. Furthermore, SUBURBAN BASE could never produce REAL techno music....hardcore or oth erwise because it takes HEART along with the ART. Not only is it a state of mind, it's a state of affairs; henceforth a lifestyle and attitude. Translated means: how can one claim Detroit is dead, without the wear withall guts & balls to cross our city limits? KMS is working, UR is working, ACACIA is working, 430 WEST is working, JUAN ATKINS is working, we are working & the list goes on & on. It will all probably hit like a series of scud missles. Anyway, to make a long story short, not only are we not d ead, we aren't ever sleeping. Even if we were sleeping, we could produce a better record than that primary regression set to wax. Suburban Base in the name of true techno-go back to the drawing bo ard...oh! Excuse me, the blackboard. I've seen better artistic endeavors in a kindergarten finger paint session. You need to be fortified with alot more than E vitamins....This Ain't School House Rock! This just lets me know that we in Detroit as a whole, need to make more noise about what we are doing. So our techno brethen, don't let the opposition make you lose faith in what keeps us together. Sincerely, Kelly@UnderCurrent Records DETROIT< MICHIGAN DEAR UOS, First off, thank you for taking the time and effort to put out your magazine. Second, the reason I'm writing is due to the letter from Suburban Base in #6. I met the guys from SB at the ill fated techno panel at NMS and I found them to be really nice, cool people. I can't quite fault them for their negative impression of NY rave culture because what was on display on that panel was shameful. All this talk of "I was doing this first" or "I do it better" is in my opinion, out of place in a culture that is ideally about mutual respect and peace and coming together. We all know how positive and wonderful rave culture can be, so then why is so much energy spent in dissing and degrading other people? There is room for everyone here, and no one looks better by making someone else look bad. I'm sorry that the guys from SB were so meanspirited in their letter, but instead of bashing back at them let's do what we can to make our scene worthy of thier respect and admiration. Personally, I'd like to see all of this talk of past raves and old records put aside because, what we should be about is the future & forward thinking. Once the glorification of the old replaces the celebration of the new, we might as well all pack it i n & go to a Beach Boys concert. I'd also like to see a little more experimentation on the part of the DJs. I was at the last STORM and the energy was great but, at times the music got samey & dull. Hardcore techno is great but, so is ragga, piano, trance & even straight forward house. Don' t be afraid to broaden your horizons. Finally, respect to everyone who's sincere, we don't need any more techno mercenaries. Stop fighting & start smiling. MOBY Since the inception of the NY rave scene (early 1991) several attempts to cash in have been made; thanks to FRANKIE BONES, ADAM X, JIMMY CRASH & REPETE the scene has literally exploded here in NY. These DJs have played and supported the bes t in underground dance music & culture. They understand the music & it's surrounding scene. Commercialism seems to be the scenes primary foe, and as a DJ, I refuse to play commercial music. Although one may argue that through commercialism the scene will be exposed to more people and hence support i t's growth, one must also realize that commercialism exploits and drains the scene. That is through commercialization, the scene becomes flooded, becoming a trend to many new and uninformed persons, thereby endangering the scenes conceptual ideology. What ever happened to keeping it underground? When I say u nderground, I don't neccessarily mean hidden away word of mouth outlaw parties, although I do agree this is underground. Large, publicized events can maintain an underground mentality if they are promoted and organized properly. This would involve the music they feature, and thier being presented to people who understand and appreciate the scene's intended environment. As far as cashing in on the scene, there is nothing wrong with making money, as long as you give people what they paid for. If commercial events are where you are at, that's fine (I respect your opinions and judgements as I have my own beliefs), but techno and raving are underground concepts not intended for commercialization. Techno and raving were meant to provide an alternative to the whole commercial aspect of dance culture, presenting a peaceful environment and encouraging positive interaction. Commercialization has already turned the scene into a fasion statement. The commercial scene is frequented by people more concerned with style-who's the first to sport the latest rave gear-and socializing than with the quality of the music. Commercializing the scene with trendy clothes and novelty records killed the scene in the UK; let's not let it happen to our scene. Some will argue that techno is not the only music that should be played at a rave. I agree & have no problem with breakbeats being played, as long as th ey're not commercial. I still spin house and take a look at what San Fransisco is doing, supporting mainly deep, acid, and tribal house. As far as breakbeats are concerned, if more records were like th e PROPHECY and (Lenny D) ENGLISH MUFFIN. I wouldn't mind playing or hearing an entire breakbeat s et. However, having to play "happy" commercial records to create a "happy" atmosphere di splays narrow mindedness. No doubt that a commercial event may have a great vibe that put's smiles o n everyone's faces, but a re-evaluation must occur. True, commercial music may be more accessible and therefore effective, but underground music will always provide insight into the future. People usually prefer to be in a familiar environment, but progression is a direct result of change and development. Although commercial novelty records are a sure way to excite a young crowd, this scene far exceeds that kind of mentality. If nobody is bold enough to support the underground, our scene will become one big stalemate, therefore preventing the growth of true rave culture. For the future of our scene please be receptive and open to new ideas. The least that can be done is to give the ravers the ultimate experience and not some trendy, cool place to be, friendly night out. PEACE, JAMES CHRISTIAN DEAR HEATHER, Thanks for the magazine I enjoyed reading it. Here are some flyers of events that have gone past & some future events also. As you can see, the majority of them have to do with the Hardcore BreakBeat/Ragga style. Techno events are few & far between such as LOST and CODE RED. Thanks again for the zine-keep it coming. NU R, MIDDLESEX ENGLAND PS From reading Suburban Base' letter to U1S, you can tell how much of a clue they have. (ie; NONE!) STORM R*** last Saturday was excellent! Keep up the good work. Here is my address in London if you ever drop by. I'm back in NY next summer. LOVE & PEACE REX LAMBETH,LONDON UK Thank you so much for the support. There are so many out there trying to knock each other down that your attitude is refreshing. I hope you feel the same about me & my boys. TAKE CARE SPIKE @ PLANE T X-NJ I was in attendance at the last STORM event (SEPT 19, 1992) and had a pretty amazing time. All who were involved should be proud, it was a great you-know-what. However I saw something that I really need to share with you and anyone else who might read this because it's been bothering me ever since I got back to BOSTON. When I was in line someone rushed in between me and the person in front of me, bent down and did something near the fence. At first I thought he was looking for something (lost keys, money he had dropped, whatever) and then he dashed off toward the front of the line. I was curious as to what he was looking for and asked the girl in front of me if she knew what it was. She mo tioned toward the bottom of the fence and said, "he wasn't looking for anything, he just wanted to put this through the fence" What she was referring to was A FUCKING CROWBAR! This asshole realized that you folks had metal detectors, and tried to pass his crowbar through the fence so that he could come around and pick it up later after getting in. What the FUCK do you think he was going to do with the thing once he got in? Stir up his smart drink? DOUBTFUL! Anyway, I stuck my hand through the fence, grabbed the crowbar, pulled it back through the fence and hid it in a bush. All night I was really bummed out about that shit. What the HELL is going on? I thought these things were supposed to be about PEACE, and everybody getting along. How many people were actually successful in getting those wak items i n? Maybe this is an isolated incident, or maybe I'm just a NAIVE FUCK from BOSTON. But eithe r way it's something that has been bothering me and I needed to let you guys know it happened. I'll see you at the QUEST in PROVIDENCE. SINCERELY, BOSTON BILL MASS [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: part 4 of UOS #7 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 14:43:03 EST more reviews PAT KRIMSON-FEEL IT REMIXES (2 TUFF, BELGIUM) Three mixes of FEEL IT. My favorite is the APOCALYPSE MIX which starts out with tribal percussion and high hats. Clocking in at around 130 bpms the bassline creeps in under warped claps and strings. Intelligent techno by PAT KRIMSON formerly of HYPP & KRIMSON who were responsible for such classics as POWER PLANT. YOUR DESTINATION on the B-side is hardc ore rave Belgium style. What I'd like to know is why the masters HYPP (TRANSFORMER 2, 2 FABI OLA) and KRIMSON aren't working together anymore. HH WINK (US) JOSH WINK, a DJ from the Philadelphia area took it upon himself to put out his own record. Only 900 pressed. The A-side has a very tribal feel but clocks in at 148 bpms pitch down to -6 for maximum trance results. B-side first cut is hardcore techno from 160 - 194 bpms very well produced but has familiar drum patterns ripped off from MICROBOTS CHIP 2, an original acid line and high pitched samples from THE TELLURIANS NAVIGATOR REMIX played backwards. Side B second cut is straight up acid at 160 bpms, with sick warped out vocal samples. The labels on this record have an original picture but borrow the style from the old school TRANSMAT labels. If a ny labels in Europe are interested, ring Josh on (215) 569-1227 HH TWO FACE (EUROTRAX RECORDS, NETHERLANDS) Killer 2 track piece from a new label called EUROTRAX, a division of NBS. This is one of my favorites of the month. First track, SUBWAY WORLD is the best. Lots of drum beats. Sounds like DJAX style. I recommend it. COUSIN SAL DECADE (HOTTRAX, ITALY) Out of italy comes this 4 tracker that is awsome. Blends elements of hardcore and acid. Great. Sal LA BELLA "ESPANIA" (RAVE 55, BELGIUM) RAVE 55 is one of the best labels to come out with slamming stuff. And this piece prove s it GET IT! SAL SONIK EXPANDER (STD, FRANCE) Very good 2 track piece from France. 1st song E JUMP will get any dance floor jumping. Side B TANGO LOCO has a cool piano in it mixed with a good keyboa rd sample. Very good. SAL GENLOG EP VOL 1 (MUSIC MAN, BELGIUM) This is super slamming. Will please everyone. MOCK MOON starts off like a trance all of a sudden hardcore erupts> Side B gives you three kil ler acid tracks that will put you in a frenzy. I love it. COUSIN SAL DEFCON 1 (HITHOUSE RECORDS, BELGIUM The hardest piece ever to come out on HITHOUSE. This is hardcore 100% gaurenteed. Play it at loud volume. SAL CIRCUIT BREAKER (PROBE, US) This 3 track piece will no doubt crack your cranium. Spasmatic, rigortating, chronical, convulsional seizures will occur due to the effect of brain meltdown and termination of all your neurons. 101% of annihilating, hard core death. The best domestic record I ever heard. SAL EUROMASTERS "ALLES NAAR DE KL-T E" (ROTTERDAM) No words can describe this creation. All I can say is the best Techno song on the bes t Techno label. A must have. SAL INTERACTIVE "ELAVATION" (WHI TE LABEL) My favorite song up to date by INTERACTIVE. SAL FINAL FRONTIER (UR, U.S.) Out of Detroit comes this 3 track record with 2 tracks on side A that's acid trance style and 1 track on side B th at has Tribal elements. SAL TRANCEPORTER (SPACEMATE RECORDS, GERMANY) SPACEMATE is a unique record label with under a dozen releases and in my opinion already has made it strong in the Techno scene. This to me is one of the best trance records to come out in a long time. This 3-track record proves that you don't need acid or E or any other shit drug to get spaced out. Listen to this record and find out how a natural pure trance high feels like. SAL FRA NKIE BONES "SHOW THEM WE COULD DO THIS" (WHITE LABEL, U.S.) FRANKIE BONES the one and only tr ue promoter of techno in America and president of "STORM RAVE" organization comes out with this kicking piece. It's kind of a tribal hardcore with killer guitar riffs that kick you in the fa ce. Definitely a floor stomper. SAL ACID RAIN EP ( SHOCKWAVE RECORDS, U.S.) This 7-track piece is pure sulphuric acid all the way. Your brain cells will deteriorate after exposu re to this acid kaos they would have to place your brain in formaldehyde in order to save what's left of it. SAL LEO ANIBALDI (ACV, ITALY) In my opinion LEO ANIBALDI is a master of Techno. I love his style. Pick any of his works and see for yourself. This piece is fantastic. Flip over to the B-side for an attack called RITMICIOA and a chemical reaction will detonate in your br ain. You'll secrete brain fluid out your fucking ears. And if you really want to go mental p ick up his " RIDERS OF THE FUTER EP". Pure Acid! I can't wait 'til his upcoming album co mes out. Awesome. SAL DJ BOUNTY HUNTER (BONZAI RECORDS, BELGIUM) This piece is fantastic. 3 tra cks of non-stop hardcore. 1st song "BOUNTY HUNTER" is unbelievable. Both tracks on side-B have n on stop drum beats that will energize you. A must have. SAL Continued on page 23. GENERAL N OISE (ROTTERDAM) ROTTERDAM is the purveyor of hardcore. Listen to a track called "DRUGS" and see what I mean. ROTTERDAM RECORDS rule!! SAL LORDS OF ACID-I MUST INCREASE MY BUST (CAROLINE, US) Very commercial even for the LORDS. Fortunately, there are 3 mixes by RICHIE HAWTIN(+8). He drops all of the cheesy vocals and gets down to business. The DISTORTION mix is great to mix with the new CIRCUIT BREAKER but, be sure to have the channel volume way up because it's pressed low compared to the PROBE pressings. Also includes MNO RMX. I bet you will just run out and buy one of those new pump up bras after hearing this.. HH GHETTO TECH 1 (GHETTO TECH, US) A new subsidiary of UR. Hardcore, analog gabber with 303s running rampant. There is definitely not a bug in their disc drive. Get it! HH TODD BLACK-DESIRE (WARRIOR RECORDS, UK) Go to the second cut on either side for underground tribal breakbeats. HH SNOWFLAKE-BACK TO BASIX (WARRIOR RECORDS, UK) 4 mix es. From vocal to underground acid, this will please all of the people, all of the time. HH BIODE GRADABLE EP ELEKTRON (PURE BASS RECORDS, UK) Familiar UK bassline over hard kick & breakbeat with "En ergy Flash" acid line. 6 mixes, my favorites are the instrumental and the bonus beats. HH ANARCH E-PUNK ROCK EP (HALLUCINATE MUSIC, US) The Straightedge mix of HARDCORE MOTHERFUCKA is hardcore but, who ever did this record is NOT straightedge! Punk rock brought to a new level. You can stop cir cle dancing now. HH groove records New York's Finest Techno D.J. Shop The best selection of european techno tracks 64 avenue U bklyn, n.y. 11223 tel(718)714-5232 fax(718)714-1832 Frankie Bones Adam X Jimmy Crash Around the Globe with Adam X The Germans are back this month with a slew of new releases. Labworks have made a strong comeback with three new releases. ACID COLONE TRAX VOL 2 is a five cut E.P. that is full of hard acidic trippy music that just totally slams hard. X RAY-REQUIEM is a two tracker that is pure speed acid trance,while ICON WHO DO YOU VOTE FOR is totally opposite pushing a UK style breakbeat over a mental hardcore track. Overdrive records releases C-TANK-THE BASE IS BACK!!! Well if you thought Walk On Base was hard wait till you hear this. Also on Overdrive this month is GATORADE SPACE ANTHEM a hard spacey trancer with a Van Gogh picture side. Harthouse releases the new APPREGIATORS entitled BEYOND THE BLACK HOLE EP. This 4 track E.P. is full of hardcore and trance. Also on Harthouse is the new SPICELAB entitled QUICKSAND EP more hardcore to blow you out the door. On PCPs label DANCE ECSTASY 2001 comes the new NASTY DEJANGO EP entitled EY FUKKAST which is purely for the hardcore brainstrong. With 5 tracks of mayhem, PCP proves to be my favorite producer out of Germany. Also on PCP is the "5"E.P. Very acidy and trancey not to fast either. We are still waiting patiently for the release of FRANKFURT TRAX VOL 3 a double LP produced by PCP and various other artists from Frankfurt. I heard a promo of this and it is !@##$%^$ wicked!!!!!!!!!!!! Force Inc is on a mad spree of hot releases this month with the BIOCHIP E.P. 4 tracks of hard acidic breakbeat. This is also out domestically with 2 extra tracks on the Powertraxx label under the title NOISEGLIDE E.P. Also out on Force Inc this month is JAMMIN UNIT VS WALKER-EGGLAYER E.P.more acidy breakbeat done german style and the new one by AGE entitled UNDERGROUND E.P. a 4 tracker full of straight up drums and acid. Coming soon on Force Inc is SPACE CUBE KILLER 2 E.P. On Generator this month comes a heavy mental techno stomper entitled ALIEN FACTORY-BIG BROTHER a fierce pounding stomper. BUY THIS RECORD NOW!!!!!!!!! Suck Me Plasma is back with a new one from KOMAKINO entitled DARKZONE. As good if not better than the last two. If you love trance than you must get a copy of TRANSFORM -TRANSFORMATION produced by RESISTSANCE D. Soothing female hum over a trancey analogue synth that enevelopes to the point where your brain melts like hot wax on a new label entitled ETERNITY. ADAM & EVE Rec from somewhere out there in Germany is quickly becoming cult in Bklyn. Their 4th release is entitled THE ROOTS EP. RACING CAR on the A side is acid hardcore kaos. I blew 10 copies out the door of my record shop in 10 minutes. This is a must! SPACEMATE RECORDINGS out of Cologne Germany release MATE, a 4 cut EP of tribal trance rhyyhms. If you like Wonka Beats, then this is for you. Over to Italy ACV records is also becoming cult with ANIBALDI and ARMANI. The techno sound of Rome is back with LEO ANIBALDI-POSESSION E.P. This is pure mind bending hardcore acid. On a scale of 1 to 10 this gets a 100!!!!!!!!!! The original sound of the Chicago underground is back with ROBERT ARMANI-MUZIK E.P. featuring a RMX of the cult Chicago stomper CIRCUS BELLS from 1990. I must have somekind of esp because I had a vibe that there was going to be a remix of this track by Robert himself. On Hot Trax comes a hard acid 4 cut E.P. entitled DECADE........ The homocidal DJ from Brooklyn, LENNY D is back with fierce hardcore remixes of COSMO TRASH-TRASHMAN. These RMXS bring this cult track back to life. Faster & harder than t he original and still on DFC. Also on DFC records is the new RAMIREZ a double 12" entitled ORGASMICO. Different mixes from tribal to trance to hardcore on both slabs of wax. The Dutch are kicking it this month over in ROTTERDAM with 2 LOW 4 ZERO-FAST E.P. and GENERAL NOISE-ROTTERDAM SUBWAY . Both E.P.s are on ROTTERDAM RECORDS with BPMs ranging between 155-165 Bpms.....D-Jax Up Beats have just liscense d a couple of cult records from Chicago's Muzique Records Out now is MD CONNECTION-TRACKS T HAT MOVE YA a double 12". Coming soon are RMX's of STEVE POINDEXTER-WORK THIS MOTHERFUCKA and ARMANDO-151........Also on D-Jax is LIKE A TIM-Game Girl which is pure acid LIKE A TIM style. And the new MIKE DEARBORNE entitled INTENSE MUZIC. Mike who hails from Chicago gives us all new material on this E.P. with the exception of SEXUAL X-PERIENCE originaly on Muzique records. Hithouse releases a mega hard Rotterdam style stomper entitled DEFCON 1-BRAINWASHER........ 80 AUM records releases VOL 3 of HOLOGRAPHIC which is the best of the series yet . All 4 cuts on this E.P. are slamming hard. Also on 80 AUM is another 4 cut stomper entitled DOOMSDAY-1831. Pure 100% HARDCORE & THE DEMONIC EP which is chaotic acid over a pounding 303 South of Holland we enter Belgium where a new label Bonzai records has popped up with 4 releases. The must have out of the bunch is DJ BOUNTY HUNTER a monster 3 cut EP hardcore stomper. Other titles on this label are EARTH ODDYSEE-EVE OF RISE- a hard trancer ,YVES DE RUTGER-ANIMALS- a one sided record which is minimal hardcore. Last but not least on BONZAI is the STOCKHOUSEN E.P. This deserves the strangest record of the month award!!!Nuff said!!!!!!!! Music Man releases a killer 3 cut E.P. entitled GENLOG VOL 1. Total hardcore acid fast trance. Very unique sounding. Also on Music Man comes BEYOND THE B-SIDES which features a killer remix of Magic Orchestra by CJ BOLLAND ultra analog hardcor e. R&S records releases a double 12"lp of previously unreleased work by the APHEX TWIN entitled SELECTED AMBIENCE WORKS 85-92. Total ambient chillout music. The new OUTLANDER is out on white label RS92025 and will probably be released officialy by the time this goes to press. Hard and trancey and highly x-perimental. SVEN VAN HEES label ELECTRON releases BROWN HARDWARE INC..........INDISC releases PROTOTYPE-THE PATH taken off the PANIC IN DETROIT LP & given a killer 303 RMX...........On the commercial tip, BEATBOX releases RMXS of ROCK TO THE BEAT by OXY(J&J). Very cool & trancey, an excellent version of this 1988 classic A short ways over the water to the UK, new label called KUDOS releases their 2lnd release entitled SPINACH-REWIND THE CRYSTAL which is ultra hardcore ala Rotterdam....APHEX TWIN 's label Rephlex releases a 4 cut hardcore acid stomper entitled MIKE DRED-KOSMIK KOMMANDO. Breakbeat master DJ Freshtrax produces a killer acid track on Little Giant Music entitled GESALT-JOURNEY INTO RHYTHM. Kickin records release a killer trance remix of MESSIAH-20,000 HARDCORE MEMBERS by Brooklynites PROGRAM 2. VINYL SOLUTION makes a comeback in the underground with EON-SPICE RMXS by JUAN ATKINS adding that Detroit flavor to a cult record from 1990. Detroit has made a vicious comeback this mont h with 3 smoking stompers on Plus 8's Probe label. The new CIRCUIT BREAKER entitled TRAC X is pure distorted 909 no sounds just 155 bpms+drums that will slice you to pieces like a machete. The se cond 12" is produced by Daniel Bell and is a 5 track no nonsense pure hardcore E.P. entitled DBX. Last but not least on Probe is UP-SPIRITUAL HIGH a mental hard trancer produced by Ritchie Hawtin. Underground Resistance is back once again with a slew of records, the first of which is the RED PLANET E.P. very hard trance Then comes PIRAHNA and FINAL FRONTIER 12"s which utilize a Miami bass freestyle drum pattern over hard trippy sounds. On Shockwave records comes the ACID RAIN E.P. which is seven cuts of pure 303 basslines. Produced by UR!!! PLANET E COMMUNICATIONS liscenses EEVOLUTE-A TOUCH OF HEA VEN out of the Netherlands if you're into the DJAX style GET THIS. Out here in Brook lyn, Industrial Strength has liscensed EUROMASTERS-ALLAS NAR DE KL-TE with brand new mixes by PCP of Mesculinium United fame. Also on IS is the new DISINTIGRATOR EP. Which is 4 cuts of pure acid. Bones has just finished up a new 4 cut E.P. that will be released on our own Groove World Records entitled FRANKIE BONES-MINIMILISAM. Direct Drive will have some new releases in a few more weeks but, we will keep them a secret for now. PEACE OUT!!!!!!!!!ADAM X!!!!!!!!!!! WATTS MUSIC=TECHNO and so much more! The Source for European and American Techno. 12", CD5s, LPs, MCs, CDs (516)-596-1888 FAX(516)596-0961 Wholesale Only TRIVIA What was the first release on the Underground Resistance label? Name two subdivisions of UR. Winners will receive a gift of music courtesy of Under One Sky. SEND YOUR ANSWER TO Heather Lotruglio 2249 E 21 Street Brooklyn, NY 11229 USA Last Question:Who are the MESSIAH? Name their 1st record and the label it was released on. ANSWER:The MESSIAH are M. DAVIES and A. GHANI. Their 1st record was PRINCE OF DARKNESS on DEJA VU RECORDINGS UK NOBODY ATTEMPTED THIS QUESTION! SHAME ON YOU! bye :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: full length cds... Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 15:47:09 MST > : i HIGHLY recommend the LFO 'frequencies' album... fucking AMAZING blipcore... > I second that! I went on a speaker hunt and brought LFO to try out on some > JBL's. HEY! That's my speaker test too. At the last rave I did, we rented slightly larger speakers than what we normally use, plus all the power was coming off a generator. It was a slightly unstable situation and I wasn't sure how things were going to turn out. It sure was a nice feeling to hear crystal clear "We Are Back" pumping from four floors down :-). [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 14:57:15 -0800 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Chronicle article.. Here's an article that appeared in the SF Chron. yesterday.. Thought NE raves people might like to read it. Return-Path: Received: from medisg.Stanford.EDU by nfs-serv.netcom.com (5.65/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id AA20416; Fri, 30 Oct 92 13:48:51 -0700 Received: by medisg.Stanford.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA15099; Fri, 30 Oct 92 12:49:59 PST Received: from soda.berkeley.edu by medisg.Stanford.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA15078; Fri, 30 Oct 92 13:48:27 PPE Received: by soda.berkeley.edu (5.65/KAOS-1) id AA01313; Fri, 30 Oct 92 12:48:06 -0800 (Thanks to Brian for typing this in) To: sfraves@soda.berkeley.edu Subject: SF Chronicle 10/29/92 front page article Status: R SF Chronicle, 10/29/92 'Rave' Parties Turn to Social Issues (Psychedelic goes political) By Dan Levy and T. Christian Miller, Chronicle Staff Writers In a cattle pasture an hour north of San Francisco recently, 2000 teenagers and young adults thrashed about in bone-chilling early-morning air to pulsating lasers, psychedelic lights, and pounding music whose refrain asked, "Are you ready for a brand new world?" The question is one of many indications that "raves" -- dance parties mixing psychedelic images, fast-paced music, complex light shows, and a drug called Ecstasy -- are developing a social and political outlook as they spread across the country. "There is potential for a great, great movement to come out of this with political force," said Joel Breton, a 19-year-old who has thrown some of the biggest raves in the Bay Area, including one in June that drew nearly 6,000 people. "It's beyond a nightclub. It's more of a way of thinking and a belief system." "(Raves) are about everyone being equal -- gays, lesbians, bisexuals, blacks, whites, hispanics," said Kyle Edwards, a 23-year-old promoter who threw a rave in August at the Concourse Exhibition Center in San Francisco. "You can act any way you want, dance any way you want, or dress any way you want." In warehouses and at water slides, in fields and forest clearings, three to six raves boom into the night on any given weekend in San Francisco, Los Angeles, or New York. A crowd of 5,000 ravers furiously pumping lithe limbs in time to 160-beat-per-minute music is not unusual. Now, rather than simply throwing huge parties, many rave leaders are finding ways to channel that energy into something socially constructive. Some believe that they are on the verge of a counterculture era akin to the '60s. There are signs that the rave movement may be heading in that direction: [] A "Rave for Choice" next month in San Francisco will donate proceeds to local abortion clinics and a national pro-choice women's group. [] In August, about 500 people in Boulder, Colorado attended a "Rave for the Rainforest" benefit in the downtown Marquee club. [] Raves to benefit AIDS education programs have raised a total of $75,000 in Detroit and New York. [] A new San Francisco rave club called "Unleash the Queen" is designed to combat homophobia in an election year in which gay and lesbian rights have become a divisive issue. "I have a vision where I see half a million people dancing underneath an anti-nuclear demonstration banner," said a British-born organizer who {manufactures rave scenes in San Francisco. [ed. - huh?] Like other music-fashion movements, raves started in England and were imported to America. Since their arrival three years ago, raves have spawned a culture complete with rave music, rave fashion, and a philosophy reminiscent of the hippie era. Comparision With Hippies To some observers, the hippie comparison is valid but incomplete. "Ravers aren't as naive as the hippies," said a New York record executive Nancy ebber, who said the rave culture reminds her of the punk movement of the 1980's. "Punks wanted to change the world too, but they were much more aggressive." But comparisons between the rave culture and hippies are inevitable. Like hippies, ravers are young, toy with psychedelic drugs and have distinctive fashions and music. To some ravers, wearing costumes featuring Dr. Seuss cartoon characters and Swedish girl-feminist Pippi Longstocking make a connection to their early youth. Others intensify the experience by popping tablets of an amphetamine called Ecstasy, raver's drug of choice. Ecstasy's fans say it helps remove social inhibitions and boosts tactile perceptions. It does not, they say, promote violent behavior. Timothy Leary, the LSD guru who urged young America to "tune in, turn on, drop out," has turned his eye toward raves and the surrounding culture and a new youth movement. Raves "are trying to capture the spirit of the 60's" said the 71- year-old Leary, who has thrown three or four raves himself in the Los Angeles area. "They're high-tech hippies." Style and Technology The two eras have a similar message of peace love, and communion with all people. But ravers spread it with a style and technology that mixes cutting-edge computer software with images as diverse as Mayan calendars, floral prints, and Cat in the Hat. Information about rave spreads by telephone, computer networks, and graphically complex flyers. Rave flyers from San Diego pop up in Boulder, Colo. A raver in Brandywine, Md. can connect with one in Springfield, Mo. simply by logging on to an electronic mail system. Raves are happening even in smaller cities in Boca Raton, Fla. In Kansas City, Mo., a hardware store owner who has added the latest German record imports to his nuts-and-bolts stock is planning to throw a rave in his store for regular customers from small towns in Missouri and Kansas. Until now, raves have been largely social events, gatherings where anyone and anything is accepted. Not everyone is eager to see them take a political turn. Near Spiritual Experience To some ravers, politics represents an unwelcome intrusion. They say the real core of raves is a near spiritual experience created by hundreds of people all listening, dancing, and sweating to the same high-energy music. "Some people find (enlightenment) through religion or church or philosophy," said Mike Regan, Edwards' partner. "We are coming to that point ... through the dance" And they are doing it, they say, in a peaceful and positive way. "How many other places do you get so many people together without fighting?" asked 20-year-old rave organizer Jason Emole. (Last weekend, police in Newark broke up a rowdy warehouse rave attended by about 500 people. There were no arrests, but police said two people were beaten and three people stabbed.) Others say debates about politics versus spirituality miss the point. They are more interested in having a good time than levitating the Pentagon. "(Raves) are everybody having fun dancing together," said 19-year-old Modesto resident Tina Medieros, standing in line at a recent rave in San Francisco with a belled jester's cap on her head. "I think politics should stay out of it." A Lucrative Business Some think that raves are just another fad that will fade as they become too commercial. At $20 a ticket, raves are a lucrative business that can bring in $100,000 a night while costing $20,000 to $30,000 to throw. Many rave fashion and music store owners are in business to expand the market for trendy clothing, not to promote ideas of world peace and racial harmony. "I think they're going to get so large, they're going to collapse under their own weight," said Rye Digre, an organizer of the Higgledy Piggledy raves in San Francisco. But a man who calls himself "Mr. Floppy," promoter of some of Oakland's biggest raves, is encouraged by the swelling numbers. He said his vision is a crowd of 50,000 ravers in Oakland Coliseum as part of a "global education." "There has to be a focus," said Christie Every, a promoter of the pro-choice rave who has also planned a series of Bay Area rock club dates tied to the theme of voter registration. "The whole mind-set is really powerful but it's untapped." And Moby, a New-York based rave performer who is one of the best-known disc jockeys on the scene right now, wants the rave culture to become more than throbbing music and a sea of bodies. "There is a degree of social consciousness already, but it's a more ambiguous thing," he said. "I'd just like to see it become a little more active like it was in the late 60's." (note - T. Christian Miller is tcm@ocf.berkeley.edu) .......................................... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 04:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Joey Chan Subject: anyone.... Hey - ne-ravers. Just out of curiosity... Anyone out there go to any raves in the San Francisco Bay Area? See, that's my home (but I am here in Pittsburgh - for school). I looove that city, and if you'v ever been there - you can't blame me, but I was interested in comparing notes and such on events you attended, and if you have any idea on who tends to "throw" the "best" raves in you opinion. Also is anyone out there from San Francisco, I can count all the people from San Francisco at Carnegie Mellon on one FINGER. Sucks. send replies to mc4o@andrew.cmu.edu thanks. See you at DEF CON ONE? maybe POWER if my plans fall through? Also - if youare going to SF someitme and wondering about cool places to visit (meaning for Music or Apparel) I'd be happy to give suggestions. [ASIF - don't even think of replying to this message] mark [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 31 Oct 1992 08:30:01 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: heather heather...UOS it's 8:32 am. i just got in from mask-a-rave..(comments this evening..) i picked up an issue of the UnderOneSky...the new one... and i am completely fucking grossed out by heather heather.. quote unquote: "frankie bones, the one and only true promoter of techno in america..." BULLSHIT HEATHER. rename your magazine Under One Storm and stop saying you're promoting unity. pissed off. >>taylor 808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 31 Oct 1992 12:12:34 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: heather... i hope i didn't come across too jerky with my last message...i was just really offended by some of the things that were said in UnderOne Sky... i think the zine has a lot of potential, if they open their minds and realize that the Storm Organization isn't the only one. i hope i didn't offend anyone..i had a very emotionally fucked up evening at mask-a-rave...and i'm not too happy...:( heather's comments didn't make it any better... the rafe culture isn't about saying who's better and who's the best...and who's not..that's why i'm apologizing..i don't mean to harsh on heather...i just think that she should think before she writes...there is a good letter from moby in the zine tht says it all.. long live this culture.. peace and love to all.. >.taylolr808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 13:53:07 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: covering (not sampling) issues i have a composition in which i basically borrow a few pieces of melody from philip glass's _koyaanisqatsi_ wholesale. i'm talking about me replaying the melody, not sampling it. what are the legal ramifications of this? do i (supposedly) have to get permission? mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump Thump Thump-thump Thump <-- genuine cool 808 sounds Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: IRC and nothing happening. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 92 14:12:23 EST this is what i did when i tried using the IRC channel today. {enhancement94 94} telnet bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu Trying 128.2.54.2... Trying 128.2.54.2... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out {enhancement95 95} {enhancement95 95} telnet bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu Trying 128.2.54.2... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out {enhancement96 96} unfortunately, i know of no where else to go so i am at a loss with this.. i can be on the muck today if any of you are there today.. dormant cause i am programming my 303.... sines >>> e n h a n c e m e n t >>>> body release. sinewave.time filtered. | pulsed >>> respond by: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | oscillated 384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201 >>614.299.9529 | stretched [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: part 4 of UOS #7 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 92 16:44:15 EST [Thanks to revar for typing in U1S #7!] > FRANKIE BONES "SHOW THEM WE COULD DO THIS" (WHITE LABEL, U.S.) > FRANKIE BONES the one and only true promoter of techno in America and > president of "STORM RAVE" organization comes out with this kicking > piece. It's kind of a tribal hardcore with killer guitar riffs that > kick you in the face. Definitely a floor stomper. SAL So, like, aside from the deification of Saint Frankie, what's with the "kick you in the face" violence that seems to pervade Cousin Sal's reviews? He sounds like he's reviewing SST tracks from 1984 for their moshability and how well they motivate one to do antisocial things with one's steel-toed Docs. "Lighten up, Francis." I guess it's really apparent to me, since I just got done reading the Baltimore/DC 'zine _Further_, which by comparison is a lot less exclu- sive and confrontational than U1S. -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 17:59:53 -0500 (EST) From: Simon Peter Gatrall Subject: Re: What is the BPM list? The BPM mailing list is an electronic mailing list for professional and semi-professional disc-jockeys. It concentrates on beat-mixing techniques, software (records, CDs), and hardware (turntables, CD players, mixers, samplers, effects, etc). There are well over 100 people from around the world on the list. Expect about 5-10 messages a day. To subscribe to the BPM list send a message to: bpm-request@andrew.cmu.edu -s!mon [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Mike J. Brown Subject: What is Techno? (fwd) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 92 19:24:29 EST > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:46:13 -0400 > From: Michael Ray Roberts > What makes Techno music unique from other musics? For one thing It consist > of mainly rythym and harmony. Melody is kept to a minimum. Usually the only > melody found on the tracks are SAMPLES. So of course if you remove the > Sesame Street sample the only thing left is the break beat. Remove the vocals from most top 40 tracks and you're left with just beats and accompaniment chords... that's most pop music for you. Sesame's Treet is as pop as anything else. Depends on what 'redeeming musical value' means to you. There are good things about pop music. Not many, but there are. > I'm not suggesting > that producers should put more melody in there tracks. All that would do is > is revert our music bck to mainstream and then there would be factions of > Techno music,i.e.: Rock, Hip-hop, jazz, etc. Too late. But this is what has been happening for ever. No form of music is entirely original. Techno didn't just spring up from nowhere. Music is constantly evolving. Someone will substitute one element of a style with another, a few people do the same, and a new genre is born. Say you start with classic 60s Soul (early James Brown, Otis Redding, etc). Add some new elements and take away some others and you get Motown. Motown doesn't have those nice raw breakbeats or passionate shouting vocals, but it does have a funkier, melodic pop groove to it, a smoother sound. Todays hip hop draws on the Motown sound for many loops, takes away the smooth vocals and pop structure, but adds the elements of heavy breakbeats, sampling, and rap. (This is not to say that Motown is breakbeat-less, since James Brown crossed over somewhat yet still produced Funky Drummer and Lyn Collins' Think (About It) which are techno breakbeat heaven.) Disco came about from 70s soul as a sort of anti-rock, again adding some elements and taking away others. Listen to Pink Floyd's The Wall. Another Brick in the Wall pt 2 has a pure disco beat. Same with Queen's Another One Bites the Dust. There is no such thing as 'pure rock' just as there is no such thing as 'pure techno' or 'pure' any genre. The point is, factioning is not a bad thing; it's going to happen, so deal with it. I'd hate it if techno stopped evolving. 808 State blended jazz with acid house and techno in 1989. Herb Alpert and Miles Davis have blended jazz with hip hop; what's so bad about that? I think it sounds great. I don't want 909-and-303 for the rest of my life, so I look forward to techno going in new directions. Or is that old directions? > What is wrong with having a track that is just breakkk beat. Tribal techno is cool. Techno in general is like what a 'dub mix' used to be on pop 12"s --an extension of the break in a pop song. Nothing's wrong with it. > OPEN YOUR EYES: there is a lot of other things we could bicker about! right so I'm going to shut up now Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 1 Nov 92 06:47:12 -0500 From: msl9@po.CWRU.Edu (Marla S. Lender) Subject: chicago raves? Does anyone know of any raves in Chicago on Nov. 13th or 14th? Please reply to msl9@po.cwru.edu Thanks, Marla. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1992 14:11:02 EST From: mhv0@Lehigh.EDU (D.J. MARS) Subject: Re: (^: A happy halloween message to all the ne-ravers: \\\\/// < o o > \ > / \~/ -Hardcore, U know the score! w Mars :^) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Masquerave From: inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com (inhuman inhuman) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 92 15:01:50 EST Well Masquerave was very incredible. It was the fourth and definitely best rave I've been to. The lights were predictably incredible. There were TONS of cool people from all over the east coast. I would estimate a couple thousand, but who knows. They stayed late, too... When I left around 6:00, there were still about three times as many people there as there were at midnight at the first well-publicized flintstone rave. The only slightly-down side was the music, which was a LITTLE monotonous. There just weren't enough samples, I guess, and not enough variety among the DJs. I like hardcore, but seven hours of the same old beats got to be a little much. Adam X definitely spun some of the best hardcore, though. And drinks were pretty cheap: $1 for a nice large glass of icy orange juice; about the same price you'd pay for it in a 7-11. I also packed plenty of "toys" this time, too, so it was fun covering my body with glo-stick juice and wearing a headlight on my head and stuff like that. All in all, a very fun experience... I was wearing my NE-RAVES 3.5" disk around my neck, but I didn't see anyone else wearing one. Oh well. --- Inhuman (inhuman@mindvox.phantom.com) "Find serenity in chaos, seek ye the eye of the hurricane." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 1 Nov 92 17:41:34 -0500 From: lizzit@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Lizzette Xixxo) Subject: new Havoc Music comp idea... i could send u a short mini-peice, to be spliced b4/after someone elses. is mixing it onto 1/4 reel-2real w/ simpte ok, or must it be dat? u could tell me what tempo other peices are, and it could bridge 2 different ones 2gether by increasing/decreasing the tempo. --lizzit [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 01 Nov 1992 19:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: new Havoc Music comp idea... sending me a reel-to-reel master wouldn't work out 'cos i don't have a reel to reel deck. i've got a DAT and cassette..but the play heads in my cassette deck (a denon..which characteristically have noisey PLAY heads) are noisey.. and it doesn't transfer well to DAT. the DAT just picks up all the noise... so, a DAT master is really all i can do.. ahhh..HOWEVER..here's an idea..if you send me a cassette that was done on a 4-track...i could (or you could) stripe track 4 with a SMPTE code...i could then put your songbit in between two songs of mine...with my sequencer slaved to the SMPTE'd 4-track...my song could go along...end..the your song would take over on tape...meanwhile i could load the new sounds into my sampler and synths and when your song on tape ends...my second tune could kick in...i have a really nice 4 track..it's an Akai MG-614...at double speed with dbx it's quite clean....so, that's a possibility.. of course..easiest would just be to send me a DAT of a song...why do want to do a bit for between songs rather than a full song? here's another idea that i have for everyone: i think it would be neat to do an insert in the cassette..besides the j-card...do a small booklet (black and white, offset printed..cassette size)...each page of the book would feature something on each band...every band would get their own page...to do with as they pleased... i could just ask everyone to send me a 2 1/2" X 4" piece of artwork..with your logo....names...net addresses...slogan..sayings...any random cool stuff that would give people an idea of what the band is like.. i think i would require names and net-addresses,..being it a net-comp...offest printing costs a little bit...and maybe getting $10 or so from each band would be the answer to that... i've gotten response from 3 people out there...(plus myself of course)..and with all of the little projects we all do we could have around 7 or so songs so far...so PLEASE, IF THERE'S ANYONE OUT THERE WHO WOULD STILL LIKE TO BE A PART OF THIS..LET ME KNOW! i will post a list of participants and potential projects soon... keep the ideas flowing and keep riding that filter.. >>taylor101 [ square wave fetish team ] splicesplicesplicesplice... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1992 19:14:23 -0500 From: "Daniel A. Avery" Subject: Re: latest? my roommate's girlfriend just got the new Prodigy Cd and its amazing We listened to it last night before Maskerave and it really got us in the mood. I got the new single with "Fire" and another song, today, but i'm going to get the whole CD anyway. You were right... everything these guys do is amazing! ---Too Tired To Make Sense DAN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 01 Nov 92 21:05:36 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: MASQUERAVE An impression of MASQUERAVE...(from a first-time raver) This was the first big-timerave I've attended. The atmosphere was electric and the crowd was hype. Got there around 11pm; by midnight the place was packed. A good 2-3000 people in all. The set-up was nice. A main room for the hardcore, and the chill-out for the more ambiant of the heart. After an initial euphoria of mine settled down, I kind of chilled. I found that with the dance floor so packed It was difficult to perform my crazy all-out jump all over the place moves. For the longest time it seemed as if I was always raving in the path other people were walking in, and it broke the rhythm. At around 4, after the weak-of-heart had headed off, the floor opened up, and the fun began. There were some of the brother and sisters on the floor that had some doped-up moves.It was beautiful. Stayed until around 7, and finished off raving to master-grove dj Scott Henry. Definately my favorite for the night. The set up was beautiful and the laser-effects was the cream of de night. A few other observations: Went to the MASQUERAVE with fellow ne-raver Susan Kameny of American. I carried a back-pack for both our stuff. Was asked a few times during the night, "What's in the bag, got any X or acid?"-- Passing from the main dance area to the chill out area was definately an laborious process, at one point taking 10 minutes to get from one room to the other, a distance of about fifteen feet. -- The amount of litter on the floor. Whenever I got serious on the rave-tip, I found myself tripping over bottles or crushed cans. How come Catastrophic couldn't be a little more environmental and have recycling bins? -- Met up with a few of the ne-ravers. Talked very briefly with digital druid, and had a nice chat with Rob. Liked the idea of a pre-thanksgiving rave gathering. Well as I now sit here soar from neck to toe I ask one question: "How long is it till DEFCON 1?" Doug - dz - raver 4 life and 4 ever [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 01 Nov 92 21:05:36 EST From: "Douglas B. Zimmerman" Subject: MASQUERAVE ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- An impression of MASQUERAVE...(from a first-time raver) This was the first big-time rave I've attended. The atmosphere was electric and the crowd was hype. Got there around 11pm; by midnight the place was packed. A good 2-3000 people in all. The set-up was nice. A main room for the hardcore, and the chill-out for the more ambiant of the heart. After an initial euphoria of mine settled down, I kind of chilled. I found that with the dance floor so packed It was difficult to perform my crazy all-out jump all over the place moves. For the longest time it seemed as if I was always raving in the path other people were walking in, and it broke the rhythm. At around 4, after the weak-of-heart had headed off, the floor opened up, and the fun began. There were some of the brother and sisters on the floor that had some doped-up moves.It was beautiful. Stayed until around 7, and finished off raving to master-grove dj Scott Henry. Definately my favorite for the night. The set up was beautiful and the laser-effects was the cream of de night. A few other observations: Went to the MASQUERAVE with fellow ne-raver Susan Kameny of American. I carried a back-pack for both our stuff. Was asked a few times during the night, "What's in the bag, got any X or acid?"-- Passing through the door from the dance area to the chill out area was definately an laborious process, at one point taking 10 minutes to get from one room to the other, a distance of about fifteen feet. -- The amount of litter on the floor. Whenever I got serious on the rave-tip, I found myself tripping over bottles or crushed cans. How come Catastrophic couldn't be a little more environmental and have recycling bins? -- Met up with a few of the ne-ravers. Talked very briefly with digital druid, and had a nice chat with Rob. Liked the idea of a pre-thanksgiving rave gathering. It was just plain fun. Well as I now sit here soar from neck to toe I ask one question: "How long is it till DEFCON 1?" Doug - dz - raver 4 life and 4 ever [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 1 Nov 92 19:56:37 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Yet another way to communicate (I originally sent this to sfraves, and then thought how stupid it was not to send it to everyone. Share and enjoy.) To parallel Pete's marvelous call for a virtual rave on IRC, I was able to set up a program on my work account at haas.berkeley.edu that is similar to but much nicer that IRC/ICB/Forum/etc. Basically, all you need for this one is outbound telnet, no special binaries like the other two. The other advantage is that this will be a *private* line, not a public one like the others. (But anyone can join) The only disadvantage is that I can only leave it running while I'm logged in (otherwise it could probably get shut down) and only during off-peak hours. But since I've been in a constant state of login recently, this should be no problem. ;) The program will for sure be active on Sunday and Monday nights from 4-10pm PST (this is when I work) as well as every now and then. Basically, I don't want it running while the sysadmin for haas is on-line. The program itself is very slick, easy to use (much easier than IRC, about as easy as ICB/Forum) and has all the features like private messaging, etc. Okay, to get to it: telnet haas.berkeley.edu 7283 (why 7283? No reason - other than that on a phone pad it spells R-A-V-E) and follow the directions. It'll ask you for a password - please do not give the same password you use for your normal accounts! The file it uses to store logs does not encrypt those passwords (but don't worry, it's chmod'd to me only) Another disadvantage (though some may see it as an advantage) is that it doesn't automatically know your login the way ICB and IRC do, so please give it your full login name (i.e., bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu) when you first join and from then on. I'll always have a window open on it, so when you join I'll see ya! If anyone wants the source code let me know... Brian p.s. - Maybe we could move Eye Our Sea to here on Thursday night? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1992 22:58:35 -0500 Subject: More on Masquerave I'm never a very good rave reviewer, cause I tend to just go there and have alot of fun and not notice who is DJing or whatever :) The UMRaveList/ne-raves pre-rave party at phred@wam.umd.edu's went pretty well. Not too rocking, but we got the chance to meet up with all kinds of ne-ravers from American, Deleware, etc. We talked and spaced out to the funky He-Ne's reflecting off the speaker and Thalx@wam's bitchin Argon shooting blue and green lines through diff. gratings, lisajous pattern generators, and multi-faceted crystals. This time we brought LOTS of our own water to drink. This made life much, much happier. I had lots of fun at Masquerave!!! This is definately the best rave experience I have had. A few notes: Naked women dancing up on pedestals...neat for a bit, but not suprisingly they stopped the dancing near them as guys (and gals) gawked in awe. Was interestign for about 10 minutes, then just got old. The portal between the Ambient room and the main room was way too small for the number of people there. Going through was kinda scary! The bar was way to crowded to approach, so I never tried any of the drinks. The lasers were bitchin and powerful, 10-20 watts, but someday they've got to get some image scanning effects instead of just vairable speed scan and lisajous. The hardcore THUMP-THUMP vs. interesting stuff proportion was well done in my opinion, a serious improvement over Raves R' Us. We spent alot of time dancing in a protective circle around our bags and water. At one point during the night, Thalx turned on his He-Ne, and had it shooting up from the bag pile. We (without pre-planning) began a dance of worship for the laser, and we danced around the circle praising it in a very technopagan manner :) Anyway, thanx again to everyone who showed up to the UMRaveList party!! It's nice to get to meet all of you. I hope we can have a pre-rave party somewhere in DC for the virtually inclined for every big rave. Blessed be, and Rave On! -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 1 Nov 92 20:18:47 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: Yet another way to communicate - correction oops. One correction to make. When it asks for a "login", just give your name in all lower case. But when it asks for your "handle", then give it your full e-mail address. Or enough of it that we know who you are. ;) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Todd J Sines Subject: IRC and nothing happened..... Date: Sun, 1 Nov 92 23:33:21 EST Forwarded message: > From 3COM_GATEWAY@pc.niaid.nih.gov Sun Nov 1 17:24:16 1992 > Date: Sun, 01 Nov 92 17:24:19 EST > Message-Id: <2af45913@pc.niaid.nih.gov> > X-Mailer: Unix/3Com MX v4.4 92.02.13 > From: 3Com/Unix Mail Gateway <3COM_GATEWAY@pc.niaid.nih.gov> > To: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu > Subject: Undelivered Mail. > > Also-to: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu (ne-raves), pashdown@slack.sim.es.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > this is what i did when i tried using the IRC channel today. > > > {enhancement94 94} telnet bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu > Trying 128.2.54.2... > Trying 128.2.54.2... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out > {enhancement95 95} > {enhancement95 95} telnet bradenville.andrew.cmu.edu > Trying 128.2.54.2... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out > {enhancement96 96} > > > unfortunately, i know of no where else to go so i am at a loss with this.. > > i can be on the muck today if any of you are there today.. > > > > > dormant cause i am programming my 303.... > > sines > > >>> e n h a n c e m e n t >>>> body release. sinewave.time filtered . > | pulsed > >>> respond by: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | oscillat ed > 384 e17th ave columbus oh 43201 >>614.299.9529 | stretche d > [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 15:34:00 -0500 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (oranges and lemons) Subject: Re: Heh heh heh you got a 303 and an 808 ? Envy Envy Envy... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] ** End of Ne-Raves Digest **