Ne-Raves Digest Volume 1, Issue 4, for September 1992 Topics: ------- The Birth of the SoCal-Raves mailing list! Get-together michaelangelo rave in providence DC rave report Rave-O-Matic (rev tue sept 15 [LONG]) The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue sept 15 [SHORT]) Quest in Providence DC Rave Sept. 28 Rave in Rochester Bounces? Raves in Rochester Quest in Providence Boston radio? boston-oNionZ at axis Techno Reviews Boston radio? storm RAVES "R" US quest REPOST from alt.rave (FDA, NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS AND MIND MACHINES) Rave-O-Matic (rev thur sept 17 [LONG]) The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev thur sept 17 [SHORT]) Storm Rave Tickets Carpool from NJ to Storm Rave? old storm tix Old Storm Tiks are good STORM RAVE!!!! mailing list REPOST from alt.rave Storm Rave Report where to rent equipment XDZebra Review #16 where to rent equipment Rave-O-Matic (rev tue sep 22 [LONG]) The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue sep 22 [SHORT]) Slamming = Cool Unsubscribe please Slamming = Cool please unsubscribe me Belated Stuerm Rave Report Slamming = Cool slam talk NE-RAVES hookup at Quest quest NASA RAVE That high BPM thang Hey there! QUEST! QUEST! buy this 12" Hi, I'm going Hellos! where are we from quest Meeting before Sputnik ne-raves hook up at quest... The Quest is Coming... tonite quest sputnik ii getting it down on wax... sputnik II directions sputnik bus info sputnik ii ticket info Hey there! "vagabond" rave... Quest Report testing? looking for writers ne-raves meeting PROPOSAL Ignore this, it's a test. Technoir MICK-E's MAGICAL MINDRAVE Mick-E's this is just a test...please ignore. Raves in Cleveland??? metropol rave... Pittsburgh RAVE quest Rave-O-Matic (rev tue sep 29 [LONG]) The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue sep 29 [SHORT]) Disturbing Cleveland Rave!? this is catastrophic Quest Correction. re:quest harDCore Ne raves mentioned in "Under One Sky" Chat on IRC/ICB "underonesky" OFFICIAL ne-raves GET TOGETHER invite! Boston club schedule Something never achieved Smartbars and Supplies.. Witty? N.Y. City Events ??? Saturday, October 3rd, in Cincinatti Unsubscribe. SAVE THIS MESSAGE rave info sf-raves mail volume The Loft rave Good Techno/Rave Music Shops List bandwidth Admin-etiquette -please read rave clothing request sf-raves mailing list Ultraworld Excursion Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 6 [LONG]) The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue oct 6 [SHORT]) ALLENTOWN, PA, event List bandwidth List bandwidth List Bandwidth MORE bandwidth wasting, delete if you want What's all this division shit? the dc unity thing Let's not get carried away! well... another thank you/vote of support especially for you owners/operators of lasers MORE bandwidth wasting, delete if you want List Bandwidth list bandwidth DC Vanpool to Sputnik Mexico City Rave Oracle in Providence Thunderground re: bandwidth arguments and the like [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:52:59 -0400 From: paulh@coos.dartmouth.edu (The Incubus) sub raves name: Paul Haban email: The.Incubus@dartmouth.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:15:23 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) So what is the final consensus of the get together in Boston? Time? Place? CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Se-Wai Cxy Lee Date: Thu, 29 Sep 92 16:58:39 PDT Subject: Re: Raves, after hours, and cash flow. cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu writes: It's a point well taken, though. Unless it was to cover costs or food/drinks or whatever, charging is kinda silly. Depending on how big your sound/light system was, I MIGHT see charging like $1 for power... /joe Hey, that's not all. The DJ has many more expenses -- equipment that occasionally gets broken in use/transport, vinyl, transportation ... blah blah blah. Even with labor being free, I can see charging for more than just power. - C.Y. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Se-Wai Cxy Lee Date: Thu, 29 Sep 92 16:58:39 PDT Subject: Re: Raves, after hours, and cash flow. cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu writes: It's a point well taken, though. Unless it was to cover costs or food/drinks or whatever, charging is kinda silly. Depending on how big your sound/light system was, I MIGHT see charging like $1 for power... /joe Hey, that's not all. The DJ has many more expenses -- equipment that occasionally gets broken in use/transport, vinyl, transportation ... blah blah blah. Even with labor being free, I can see charging for more than just power. - C.Y. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: The Birth of the SoCal-Raves mailing list! Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 05:06:44 -0700 From: Joachim Vance Yes, blink twice, throw some salt over your left shoulder and don't trip over your cat as you rave till you drop because the Southern California Rave mailing list is now here! The SoCal-Raves mailing list is dedicated to discussing all things rave and underground clubbing in the Southern California area including the counties of Los Angeles, Orange, San Diego, Riverside, San Bernardino, and possibly Ventura and Santa Barbara too. Discussion will center around the Southern California area but people outside of this are certainly welcome to join. Topics will include: - announcements of upcoming events in the Southern California area. - reviews of shows/raves/DJs/music/etc. - rave-culture like clothes, smart drinks, rave attitude, etc. - local radio shows and stations that play rave and techno. - where to find the music, clothes, etc. - rave picnics and other non-rave rave-related events. - how to throw your own rave (and not get busted). ...and almost anything else rave related or related to the Souther California scene. To subscribe to the SoCal-Raves mailing list send a message to socal-raves-request@ucsd.edu with the line "sub socal-raves" in the body of the message. Subscription problems should be sent to Andy (Vigor Mortis) at socal-raves-relay@ucsd.edu. Any other questions or comments about the list should be sent to me at jvance@einstein.oac.uci.edu and are greatly appreciated. Thanks go out to all those who expressed interest in a SoCal-Raves list and may have even tried to start your own. Hope to see you there! Peace and Love Joachim jvance@einstein.oac.uci.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:26:00 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (this is where it all begins) Subject: Get-together The next two weekends are really bad to organize something, possibly we'll do it three weeks from now.. this weekend is a providence rave, next weekend (19th) is storm rave... Something during the week maybe? -suggestions, comments... -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:36:28 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (this is where it all begins) Subject: Re: Raves, after hours, and cash flow. cxylee writes, in response to cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu: SC>Hey, that's not all. The DJ has many more expenses -- equipment SC>that occasionally gets broken in use/transport, vinyl, transportation SC>... blah blah blah. Even with labor being free, I can see charging SC>for DJ' DJ's do it for the scene.. not for the green... Or at least we'd hope that they do... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:37:56 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Get-together > The next two weekends are really bad to organize something, possibly > we'll do it three weeks from now.. > > this weekend is a providence rave, next weekend (19th) is storm rave... ...and according to camper's post, Quest is rescheduled for the 25th. Don't forget another Quest! dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:29:47 -0400 From: map@cs.brown.edu (Mike Perkowitz) Subject: michaelangelo rave in providence so, is anyone going to this? i seem to recall hearing that previous michaelangelos were not that great, and between the 9$-$11 tickets and the *advertising* on WBRU, i'm figuring this is one to mu- miss. opinions? anyone have quest information? mike please excusae the fact that i'm doing this from a modem and have no backspace key mapping. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 12 Sep 1992 14:19:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JONESLI@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Get-together Sure, it would be great to have a "private" get together with other ne ravers, but it seems that this will be delayed way into the fall with the upcoming raves "getting in the way" on the weekends. So, if more people are interested in a weekend gig, why not have a party around a rave? Maybe meet early evening then go to the rave ensemble, and then a morning after party? For me, if this works to be on the weekend I'm in Boston, it'd be a great way to see some of the Boston rave scene on a more personal level. skol lisa [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:36:30 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: DC rave report DC had it's first Sunday afternoon rave. musicnow international held a DJ spinoff in front of it's store Sunday. About 150 ravers showed up. I got there around 6:30 and stayed for a couple of hours. I thought most of the DJ's were pretty good. Michael Meacham played the hardest Techno of the group that I saw. He was flying on the turntables. He had an assistant at his side to have the records ready to put on the turntables. The luxury of a club DJ. Most of the crowd was pretty lame when it came to dancing. They moved so slowly, it looked like they were just standing around. If fact, most of them were just standing around. musicnow international is DC's first Techno record store. They are located across from the Smithsonian's Portrait Gallery. It's the location for ticket purchase and map points to the DC raves. There was a Catastrophic rave this weekend but I did not go. Tickets and maps were sold at musicnow, but the map point was in Virgina. From there you had to board a shuttle bus to take you to the rave. Major hassle for someone like myself who does not have a car. Chalk up another foul up by Catastrophic. Can't raves be simple things anymore? - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:38 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue sept 15 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. Okay boys and girls, this is it! This is the weekend of Storm Rave! Are we excited yet? See you all there! Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, September 18 GROVE TO MOVE Youngstown, OH (216) - 743 - 6560 In Your Face Bass and Ecstatic present GROOVE TO MOVE Nite the rave experience comes to Youngstown Friday Sept 18 Cedar's (downtown) Featuring: the most absolute groovin'-est techno/house/rave music shaking the floor all night long complete with special appearances from: Body Release (columbus, oh) Big Engine (new castle, pa) Plus on the turntables spinning heavy doses of killer rave and underground bass between stage shows: D.j.EFFy the music flows at 10pm - groove 'til 2:30 straight we'll take your mind outta here! 216-743-6560 [note from Mike Brown - not a real rave, but definitely worth going to if you're in the area, especially since (watch out, shameless plug coming) Body Release are playing -MB] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 18, 1992 CITRUS CLUB Baltimore (410) - 880 - 1166 a tribal gathering of technological pagans paying homage to the new cosmology tangy vibes C I T R U S C L U B juicy grooves harcdore acid tracks, breakbeat & trance friday september eighteen 1992 (and every friday thereafter) 10 pm to 4 am admission $5 dj: Scott Henry 18 & over 21 to drink smart bar by think smart leave you ATTITUDE at the door! no guest list - no politics - no bullshit dial: 410.880.1166 for more info & directions 1003 east pratt street baltimore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 19, 1992 STORM RAVE New York City (212) - 631 - 1065 STORM sr new location hardcore september 19, 1992 11pm-sunrise T H I S S E P T E M B E R !!!!! T H E S T O R M I S C O M I N G ALWAYS ORIGINATE, NEVER PIRATE (212) 631-1065 On Sept. 19 we are going to bend over backwards to bring New York the biggest rave ever !!! We have selected the best DJ's to give you the ultimate night of hardcore. Come & Join Us . . . Organization: Promotions: Mr. Hyde Heather Heather Dave Lights L.A. Dave * Chad E. Boy S R Musical Coordination by: Rave Coordination by: Frankie Bones Dennis the Menace Brooklyn Groove Productions Joint Ventures S T O R M presents MIND STORM THE PIONEERS OF RAVE COME BACK ON SATURDAY, SEPT 19, 1992 TERROR TECHNO BY NEW YORK'S FINEST ---------------------------------- FRANKIE BONES new york's rave pioneer ADAM X new york's hardcore general JIMMY CRASH hardcore, radiation style LENNY DEE just in from his germany tour JAMES CHRISTIAN long island's top rave DJ DANTE of the evolution vibe tribe DJ DAN DC the 16 year old techno wizard of NJ MARIO of the mental unity tribe PETER THE GREAT adrenalin's hardcore rush RALPHIE DEE will "open your mind" Show Hosted by FRANKIE BONES+ TOMMY DUGO of B-91 Tickets Available From: Brooklyn - Groove Records 64 Avenue U, Brooklyn , NY (718) 714-5232 New Jersey - Planet X Music 308 George ST., New Brunswick, NJ (908) 249-0304 Manhattan - Liquid Sky 58 Wooster ST., off Broome St., SOHO, NY, NY (212) 431 - 5369 Stormrave Hotline - (212) 631-1065 Joint Ventures Hotline - (212) 629-2061 constructive crew: Beeper - (718) 766-5369 John P. Franco, Roberto It's hard to believe that there has yet to be a true rave scene in New York City. There are those who have never been to a real rave. Then there are those who claim to be "Rave Promoters" who do it for the green and not for the scene. After intense research in the Storm Rave Organization will be throwing the deepest, most hardcore rave EVER in New York City. It will be the most advanced rave and superior to any event ever put on in the tri-state area. We want to prove that this movement can shape the future. Anyone who was at our June 20th event know what we are talking about. We also apologize about the closing of our July 18th event. We should have know better to go into the corporate world of Manhattan! Going back to Basics...Brooklyn's in the House !!! PEACE.... S T O R M R A V E IF IT'S NOT STORM, YOU AIN'T GETTING WET... September 19, 1992 Your Destiny Awaits ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 25, 1992 QUEST Providence, RI Sorry, I have no other information. Someone said they'd send me a flyer . . . if you have one, please post it and I'll add it to the list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:38 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue sept 15 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Techno in da house: Baltimore -- Thurs. Paradox (Orbit -- these are not every week though) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus Fri. Axis New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Tilt (Adrenaline) Sun. Chase Bar (Primal) Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, September 18 GROVE TO MOVE Youngstown, OH (216) - 743 - 6560 CITRUS CLUB Baltimore (410) - 880 - 1166 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 19, 1992 STORM RAVE New York City (212) - 631 - 1065 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 25, 1992 QUEST Providence, RI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:27:31 -0400 From: joemac@eff.org Subject: Quest in Providence [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Amoebahead productions with mello mello, bigfunhouse, joint ventures, heather heather, x cubed, and your host mr. x invite you to lube your neurons & brighten you smile DJ's Brooklyn Adam x heather heather Long Island james christian dave trance micro Queens onIonZ Boston debo Providence otterPOP London 333-MGEE Friday Sept 25 100% legal location / MEGA large space 9:30pm / 7:00am Providence, RI Advanced tickets $9 available at LUNACY, Thayer St. Available on the 25th for $11 from 8-12pm at the rave vehicle on Thayer St. Get map with tickets General INFO: 401-766-5334 Brooklyn Bus & INFO: 718-646-8077 Boston Bus & INFO: 617-266-1987 LI Bus & INFO: 516-254-2243 Pittsburg Bus & INFO: 412-621-7759 n/-T~5.K$j=BW_~u(#Io/f+i! 'I^~tT[f)MfBfh| *|]Sg NO CARRIER [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:43:54 -0400 Subject: DC Rave Sept. 28 <<>> Mr. Clean / Phunctions Phit Phor Pharoes Presents: Monday, Sept. 28 9pm-3am ======== 2 Unlimited ============= from Belgium L I V E DJ's ------ Lieven De Geyndt Frankie Hartung John Phillippe Aviance (LA) Anthony Scott Tom T Scott Henry ]]]]]This event will be @ the artscience warehouse 926 N St. NW Washington, D.C. Tickets available in advance at MusicNow International 806 F Street NW 202/638-3272 $10 Advance $12 at the door Smart Bar! 12K feet of pulsing energetic dance, chill-out room, lite and snds [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu (ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN) Subject: Rave in Rochester Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:20:57 EDT Most people don't even know about the Rave scene in Rochester, NY, but we started having raves long before they become anything close to trendy. A few friends and I launched the Rave scene here in the summer of '91. Ever since, Rochester has adapted its night life to fit more into the techno realm. So far we have had over 10 official raves here all with attendances in the multi-thousands. If you are ever in our neck of the woods check Rochester out, you won't be dissappointed. The principal Rave centers are at two clubs, CARPE DIEM and HEAVEN. This Saturday, Carpe Diem will be hosting a Rave.... The Address is 99 Court St, Rochester (obviously) If anyone wants more info, drop me a note...there usually is a guest DJ from Toronto or some such at the events....ask Ravers from Toronto about Rochester, I am sure they will tell you good things about the scene... Rave On, EM [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:57:51 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Big Mac Fries To Go) Subject: Bounces? I'm wondering if anyone is getting bounces back from the list... I've added about 15 people in the past two days and with the start of the school year and administrata as it is, lots of accounts either don't get set correctly or people give me the wrong addreses/etc... lemme know. Also... who's going to STORM? I'll be there! We should find a place for ne-raves people to meet either outside during the day or inside... (and this time we make it around 2 am.. sometimes you can't get in 'till 1...) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: mxd7977@ultb.isc.rit.edu (ELECTRONIC MUSICIAN) Subject: Raves in Rochester Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:09:04 EDT Most people don't even know about the Rave scene in Rochester, NY, but we started having raves long before they become anything close to trendy. A few friends and I launched the Rave scene here in the summer of '91. Ever since then, Rochester has adapted its night life to fit more into the techno realm. So far we have had over 10 official raves here all with attendances in the multi-thousands. If you are ever in our neck of the woods check Rochester out, you won't be dissappointed. The principal Rave centers are at two clubs, CARPE DIEM and HEAVEN. This Saturday, Carpe Diem will be hosting a Rave.... The Address is 99 Court St, Rochester (obviously) If anyone wants more info, drop me a note...there usually is a guest DJ from Toronto or some such at the events....ask Ravers from Toronto about Rochester, I am sure they will tell you good things about the scene... Rave On, Electronic Musician [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 15:48:09 -0400 From: joemac@eff.org Subject: Quest in Providence [ this is a repost since I'm not sure if the last one made it. ] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Amoebahead productions with mello mello, bigfunhouse, joint ventures, heather heather, x cubed, and your host mr. x invite you to lube your neurons & brighten you smile DJ's Brooklyn Adam x heather heather Long Island james christian dave trance micro Queens onIonZ Boston debo Providence otterPOP London 333-MGEE Friday Sept 25 100% legal location / MEGA large space 9:30pm / 7:00am Providence, RI Advanced tickets $9 available at LUNACY, Thayer St. Available on the 25th for $11 from 8-12pm at the rave vehicle on Thayer St. Get map with tickets General INFO: 401-766-5334 Brooklyn Bus & INFO: 718-646-8077 Boston Bus & INFO: 617-266-1987 LI Bus & INFO: 516-254-2243 Pittsburg Bus & INFO: 412-621-7759 n/-T~5.K$j=BW_~u(#Io/f+i! 'I^~tT[f)MfBfh| *|]Sg NO CARRIER [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 15:59:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: Boston radio? Hi, I'm new to the list. What do you all like for radio in Boston? Has anyone made up a list? thanks, Betsy [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 16:14:08 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: boston-oNionZ at axis the lord speaketh unto his people: (i talked to DJ lord debo from boston, and he said:) "Spinneth maximus groovus Onionsest friday est!" ("DJ oNionZ from NYC will be spinning the entire set at Axis this friday as i will be away." sperbulus maximus est. (i think this is swell, as onions is a great DJ.) -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english(mom always said, don't play ball in the house)@buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 17:43:51 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Boston radio? > Hi, I'm new to the list. What do you all like for radio in Boston? Has > anyone made up a list? > thanks, Betsy > Well, the best station in town would have to be 90.3 (WZBC), Boston College Radio. For great underground techno/rave, Tim Hazlett(sp?) has a show called 'HardWired' on Tuesday nights from 6-7. Tim Ryan spins, I believe, on Saturday nights (very late). And even from a non-techno point of view, ZBC plays the best music overall. As with any good college station, you get non-commercial music from every genre. As a matter of fact, from 6-10 every weeknight NCP (No commercial potential) is on. Very weird shit. NCP Pt1 on Tuesdays from 7-9(?) Ronan spins some really trippy electronic noise on his show, 'System Error'. Great stuff too. Other good college stations... 88.1 (WMBR) 88.9 (WERS) Nothing else worth mentioning. :) Rave on. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 17:58:19 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Techno Reviews Tasty techno reviews for YOU. Pete Ashdown as some of you may know has been doing 'XDZebra' reviews for 8 months or so. These are posted on Rec.Music.Industrial and on the manchester (inde) list. I thought that they'd probably be of interest to my fellow ne-ravers. I'll post these as he sends them out in their entirety. Some of the reviews may not be directly related to techno/rave, but *most* are. I'd rather send the whole thing out instead of chopping Pete's review up to just including the techno stuff. So enjoy. :) Back issues, as Pete mentions, are available through him but I've got them all too. If you need back issues, you can ask either of us. And now... XDZebra #15: XDZebra Review #15 If you're an electronic musician with a fair amount of material, send a tape to my label, or just write to get on the mailing list: Addiction PO Box 510192 Salt Lake City, UT 84151-0192 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational Music: FAX 805/893-8553, Phone 805/564-4949, email angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu Back issues are available. Mail me if interested. This is all my opinion. Flames against a review are pretty pointless, so don't bother. Let me know if you have any other comments though. The number next to the index is the "dance factor". 5 = high, 1 = low XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #15 Contents: Ultramarine: Every Man and Woman is a Star Red Hot & White Labels Smart E's: Sesame's Treet << The Evolution of The Groove >> Altern8: Hypnotic St-8 X-102 Discovers The Rings of Saturn Breaks, Bass & Bleeps 4 808 State: TimeBomb Ultramarine: Every Man and Woman is a Star Panther House/Rough Trade: R2892 1 1 04:28 Discovery 2 3 05:11 Weird Gear 3 2 05:17 Pansy 4 2 05:09 Honey 5 3 04:25 Stella 6 4 06:46 British Summertime 7 1 05:03 Saratoga 8 3 06:32 Geezer 9 1 05:08 Nova Scotia 10 2 04:47 Panther 11 2 05:34 Lights in my Brain 12 3 04:37 Gravity 13 1 02:42 Canoe Trip 14 2 05:28 Skyclad Comments: Most tracks on this disc are extremely ambient, almost to the point of being ridiculous. "Canoe Trip" is simply water sounds with a light synth in the background. Try as I might, I can't shake the image of a group of deadheads listening to this disc on their way to the next concert. In a sense this is the New Age version of ambient house, but it really doesn't share many characteristics of ambient house. Still, "British Summertime" is a nice track and I suppose the entire disc is rather relaxing, but if you're expecting an Orb clone, look elsewhere. Summary: 5/10. Hippies on synths and drum machines. Red Hot & White Labels Vital Sounds: CD VIT 1 1 4 04:55 Destruction Production: What a Rush 2 3 05:09 Krome & Time: This Sound is For The Underground 3 4 04:01 Mind of Kane: Direct Current 4 3 04:01 Zero Zero: Zero Not Zero 5 5 04:17 Hyper On Experience: The Frightner 6 4 05:09 Praga Khan: Rave Alert 7 5 04:12 Messiah: Temple of Dreams 8 3 04:44 Brainstorm: Brainstorm 9 4 04:18 The Bodyswerve: Melta Shelta 10 3 05:23 Marveline: Learn to Love (Turbo Mix) 11 4 04:29 Dread: Sanctuary 12 3 05:11 Transformer 2: Pacific Symphony Too (Techno Symphony Remix) Comments: The state of good techno compilations is getting to be so bad that I'm afraid to buy any of them anymore. This CD is no exception. Although it isn't as bad as "Kaos Theory 3" this has its share of formulaic garbage. The Zero Zero track is fair as is Transformer 2, but Praga Khan and Messiah are practically token tracks because of their age. Summary: 4/10. Not even worth it at import prices. Smart E's: Sesame's Treet ZYX: 6813-8 1 4 03:33 Sesame's Treet (Edit) 2 5 05:22 Sesame's Treet (Krome & Time Remix) 3 4 05:12 Sesame's Treet (12" Version) 4 5 04:34 Magnificent Comments: Yes, yes, I'm embarrassed. I plunked down cash for this single. Mainly to see if I could get any decent remixes of this dopey song. Surprise, surprise, "Krome & Time" really come through remixing the slop. They threw out most of the original Sesame Street melody and the lyrics and emphasized the fairly good drum and synth track laid down by Smart E's. "Magnificent" is T99 style chorus manipulation that puts Apotheosis's slop (and T99 for that matter) to shame. Summary: 7/10. Decent revision of an saddeningly popular dance track. << The Evolution of The Groove >> WARP: CD5 1 3 07:30 Coco Steel & Lovebomb: Feel It 2 4 04:52 LFO: Syndrome 3 4 06:17 Rhythm Invention: Can't Take It (Cold Cellar Mix) 4 5 04:53 Wild Planet: Electron 5 3 05:46 DSR: Trust City 6 2 06:51 Coco Steel & Lovebomb: Touch It (Sandy Shaw Mix) 7 4 05:20 Nightmares on Wax: A Case of Funk 8 5 05:52 Kid Unknown: Nightmare 9 4 06:08 DSR: Babaloo Comments: Another fine WARP compilation. Although the Lovebomb stuff leaves me dry, everything else rips wildly. "Syndrome" is the same version as is on the "What is House" EP, so LFO people can relax. However, the Nightmares on Wax and Kid Unknown tracks are remixed, though not stated as so. I originally wasn't too wild about Kid Unknown, but this has been remixed into a much sharper version. Then there is the Wild Planet track. Pure coolness of analog synth ripping my ears off in Aphex Twin style. I can't wait to pump this out a decent stack. DSR's closing track "Babaloo" uses some unique trance techniques to make yet another original sound for WARP. Summary: 8/10. WARP never fails. Altern8: Hypnotic St-8 Network: NWKCD 49 1 4 03:29 Hypnotic St-8 (St-8 of Art Edit) 2 4 05:14 Hypnotic St-8 (Higher St-8 Mix) 3 3 03:54 Infiltrate 202 (Joey Beltram Remix) 4 5 06:16 Prolifer-8 Comments: This CD single turns in a pair of bland (almost synonymous with Beltram) remixes and a Altern8 megamix of several of their other releases (including a snippet of Nexus 21). In other words, this isn't anything special, but isn't particularly bad. Summary: 3/10. OK for Altern8 fans. Other people should investigate their album. X-102 Discovers The Rings of Saturn Tresor: Tresor 4 1 01:22 Intro 2 2 02:58 Phoebe 3 4 03:51 Titan 4 00:29 Rhea 5 3 03:30 C-Ring 6 01:28 Tethys 7 4 04:08 Hyperion 8 3 04:10 Dione 9 4 02:39 B-Ring 10 3 03:18 Enceladus 11 4 04:49 Mimas 12 02:10 Iapetus 13 00:51 A-Ring 14 4 07:33 Groundzero (The Planet) Comments: The way this is put together you half expect the album to be a set of sonic experiments by a college professor in the late 60's. In fact, it sounds a whole lot like that. Not a whole lot of danceable stuff, but some fairly good techno explorations. The only gripe I have is the fact that like X102's other Detroit cousins, the sound seems to go nowhere and is mostly someone diddling on a sythesizer. This is most apparent when the majority of the tracks end with 20 second fades. Summary: 7/10. Dance maniacs should avoid, but techno purists will enjoy this. Breaks, Bass & Bleeps 4 Rumor Records: CDRAID 507 1 4 05:39 Manix: Oblivion (Head in the Clouds) 2 4 06:05 Urban Fugitives: Vertigo (Very High Mix) 3 3 05:25 Eskimos & Egypt: Welcome To The Future Parts 1&2 (Dhax Fyuw4cher) 4 4 04:57 Oxy: The Flip 5 5 05:32 Son'z of a Loop Da Loop Era: Further Out (The Far Out Remix) 6 3 04:54 Nebula II: Atheama (Remix) 7 4 05:26 The Boneshakers: Feel The Melody (Techno Mix) 8 4 06:56 Church of Extacy: Church of Extacy (Pray For Acid) 9 5 05:22 The House Crew: We Are Hardcore 10 5 05:30 The Alcan Warriors: Invasion (The F/O/A/D Remix) 11 4 04:27 Q-Bass: Hardcore Will Never Die (Telepatic Mix) 12 4 05:00 Interface: Do It 13 5 04:47 The Feedback Principle: Sick Society Comments: Not as bad as most of the other recent techno comps I've purchased, but still not anything that thrills me. This comp still has quite a few of tracks of the chipmunk 140 bpm variety, but some of them are actually fairly good. Interface, Feedback Principle, and Oxy are some of the highlights. Summary: 6/10. Better than most, but still has that smell. 808 State: TimeBomb ZTT: ZANG 33CD 1 4 02:58 Timebomb Fon mix 2 5 03:35 Nimbus 7" mix 3 3 04:26 Reaper Repo (Short mix) 4 3 08:26 Reaper Repo (12" mix) Comments: I was originally puzzled by the first track on this disc. A DJ in a club had specifically told me that the piece I had just heard was TimeBomb, but the Fon mix bore no resemblance to the trancey boom I had previously danced to. Much to my relief the Nimbus mix is what I heard. The two mixes are different enough to be completely seperate pieces. The Fon mix itself is rather boring, Reaper Repo is on the same level. The 12" mix is extended in length only and doesn't stray from the original theme. This is a disappointing single from 808 State, especially after their remixed packed past singles. Summary: 3/10. Good for one track only, the Nimbus mix. Everything else is on the bland side. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 19:13:40 EDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Boston radio? I'll second the recommendation for 'ZBC (wizbic) to those in the know. I've listened to them for years and they always have cool deejays, especially in the NCP slots. For drone, grunge, trance, etc. they can't be beat, and where else will you hear segues from Hawkwind to The Orb (seamless I might add). - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: storm Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 19:51:35 EDT hi who else might i be able to meet at storm saturday nite. there's a 99.999999% chance that i will be going, that is, if i don't finish most of my homework...ugh! ^^^^ hope to see a bunch of ya there! b e c c a ps...soon to be announced, Worcester is gonna try it again with BOLD II October 23rd ! details will follow in time... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 18:42:01 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: RAVES "R" US RAVES "R" US 30,000 Sq. Foot WAREHOUSE w/Chill out room Saturday, September 26 Tickets & Maps at music now 806 F St. NW Washington, DC For more info: (703) 971-4555 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 22:28:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: quest so. anyone planning on going? i'll probably be there, and i would love to see the faces behind the bits... mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- No statement made in a signature file is ever correct. Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 09:49 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: REPOST from alt.rave (FDA, NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS AND MIND MACHINES) I picked this up on alt.rave today and thought I'd repost it since I know some of you don't get the alt groups. It's from Homer Wilson Smith, CTM@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu . Laura ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE FDA, NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS AND MIND MACHINES. 9/15/92 There are four letters in this posting. Possibly you should just send the whole thing to your printer and then read it at your leisure, you will want to keep the names and addresses for future reference. 1.) A description of the FDA's proposed regulations as laid out by the National Health Alliance (NHA). 2.) A plea from the NHA that you write your congressmen. 3.) Sample letters to handwrite to your congressmen. 4.) A personal letter from me, if you can't stomach virulence just skip it. 5.) A personal letter from a friend who sells mind machines. I apologize for posting this all over the net, but sometimes you gotta interrupt the scheduled programming with important late breaking news. All flames to me, PLEASE DO NOT respond to the list that you read this on. Homer Wilson Smith, CTM@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu Disclaimer: My opinions are my own and do not represent those of my employer or of Cornell Univeristy. THE FDA'S CAMPAIGN TO TAKE AWAY YOUR FAMILY'S HEALTH CARE RIGHTS. Enclosed is information regarding the legislative action affecting the dietary supplement industry, the natural health care community and our right to choose wellness over illness. The three main areas that require attention are as follows: 1. The Nutrition Labeling And Education Act of 1990 2. Dietary Supplement Task Force Report 3. The FDA Enforcement Amendments of 1991 (HR 3642 & S 2135) Nutrition Labeling And Education Act (NLEA) In an attempt to provide the American public with information regarding the health-promoting benefits of foods, Congress enacted the Nutrition Labeling And Education Act of 1990, instructing the FDA to develop guidelines for how health claims can be made on food products. FDA has proposed regulations that will do the following: Disallow health claims for fiber, anti-oxidants, unsaturated fatty acids, zinc, etc. PAGE 2 Lower RDA's from 10%-80%, reclassifying them as RDI's (Recommended Daily Intake). Dramatically reduce the potency of vitamins and minerals, REGULATING HIGH POTENCY VITAMINS AS DRUGS. Eliminate supplements such as bioflavonoids, rutin, PABA, selenium, inositol, chromium and other "nutritional substances." Eliminate herbs from the definition of "dietary supplement," thus regulating them as drugs. Consider any educational material, whether product specific or not, to be considered a third-party endorsement, and therefore any referral to a book may be considered a drug claim. Restrict the use of truthful educational material in the promotion of dietary supplements. Dietary Supplement Task Force Report In addition to the NLEA regulations, the FDA Commissioner David Kessler convened a Dietary Supplement Task Force to determine how supplements could be better regulated Preliminary discussions v.ith members of the task force have revealed the following: Dietary Supplements will be categorized in three classes: Category 1: Potencies of multi-vitamins and multi-minerals. Potencies of dietary supplements will be no higher than those found in foods. Category 2: Amino Acids, with recommendations that they be changed to prescription only. Category 3: All others will be available only by prescription, including herbs, specialized vitamin and mineral products, etc. The FDA Enforcement Amendments of 1991 (HR 3642 & S 2135) These proposed laws are designed to provide the FDA with a considerable amount of increased authority for taking action against products without "due process of law." The FDA will have the ability to embargo products, stop importation of herbs, levy fine of up to $250,000 per infraction for individuals and up to $1,000,000 per infraction for corporations, and subpoena records without court supervision. No other agency has been given such broad and constitutionally questionable powers. The House version is sponsored by Congressmen Waxman and Dingell, the Senate version is sponsored by Senator Kennedy. Because of the inherent bias the FDA has historically shown against herbs and the dietary supplement industry, we have no doubt that they will use these increased enforcement authorities to take unwarranted PAGE 3 action. In preparation for increased enforcement activities, the FDA has hired 100 criminal investigators led by a 20-year veteran of the U.S. Secret Service. For more information contact the Nutritional Health Alliance, PO 267, Farmingdale, NY 11735, (516)-249-7070. Nutritional Health Alliance Protecting Your Right to Choose P O Box 267 Farmingdale, NY 11735 516-249-7070 August 31, 1992 Dear Health Food Industry Member: IT'S TIME TO ACT. Gary Dykstra, FDA Deputy Commissioner, made the following statements at the NNFA Show in Nashville: "As most of you know already, and it's not been a well kept secret, the Task Force is going to recommend in its report that amino acids be regulated as drugs." "With regard to taking actions against herbs as drugs or as new drugs, we continue to do that on a case by case basis..." "The Dr. Wright situation out in Seattle, I don't want to get defensive about that. Obviously we felt that we did the right thing." The handwriting is on the wall. The FDA intends to eliminate the dietary supplement industry as we know it. * The NHA is moving forward rapidly. The Hatch Bill, S 2835, is in the Senate expecting committee consideration and the Richardson Bill, HR 5746, is progressing in the House. It is URGENT that you support these bills with letters and phone calls immediately. WE ONLY HAVE FIVE WEEKS TO ACT BEFORE THE END OF THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS. * The NHA has its own team of experienced legislative activists working full time with our legislators in Washington. * The NHA has hired one of the top PR firms in the country, Rogers and Cowan, to bring our message loud and clear to all concerned citizens in the United States. * The NHA has just created a toll free legislative up-date hot line (1 800-226-4NHA) to keep you currently informed about the Health Freedom bills, the FDA enforcement bills, nutritional labeling issues, and other important legislative and regulatory news. Please call us today. Let us hear from you with your questions and recommendations. WE ARE HERE PAGE 4 TO SERVE YOU. The Nutritional Health Alliance represents thousands of health food stores, hundreds of manufacturers, and thousands of health care professionals. Most importantly, the NHA represents YOU and the 80 million Americans who enjoy the freedom of choice to take dietary supplements. WE NEED YOUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS AND YOUR LIVELIHOOD. IT IS TIME TO ACT. Even if you have sent in letters in the past, for the next five weeks send in ADDITIONAL LETTERS. Call and visit your senators and representatives. Ask them to co-sponsor the Health Freedom Bills in their house. Motivate your customers to write letters and make phone calls. It may well be now or never. Join our fax network and receive updates by fax twice a week. These fax updates are suitable for posting in your store and reproducing as handouts. The NHA continues to dedicate its resources where they are needed most and can produce the quickest and most effective results. A financial report summarizing our activities is available. Remember, the NHA is a cooperative alliance of our industry, by our industry, and for our industry to protect your rights to choose wellness over illness. The NHA represents your interest on both state and federal levels. WE ARE HERE TO SERVE YOU. Sincerely yours, Nutritional Health Alliance Gerald Kessler, President ARE YOUR NUTRITIONAL RIGHTS WORTH FIVE MINUTES OF YOUR TIME? YOUR LETTERS COUNT! WRITE TODAY TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS. Handwritten letters are the most powerful. Sample Letter For Congressmen: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Representative's Name U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515 Dear Representative: Protect my health care rights! Please support Congressman Bill Richardson and the Health Choices Freedom Act of 1992 (H.R. 5746). Please let me know the action you are taking in order to protect my health care rights. Sincerely, PAGE 5 John Q Public (signature) John Q. Public Your address City, State, Zip ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sample Letter For Senators Hand written letters are the most powerful. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Senator's Name U.S. Senate Washington, DC 20510 Dear Senator: Protect my health care rights! Please support Senator Orrin Hatch and the Health Freedom Act of 1992 (S. 2835). Please let me know the action you are taking in order to protect my health care rights. Sincerely, John Q Public (signature) John Q. Public Your address City, State, Zip -------------------------------------------------------------------------- TO FIND THE NAME OR TO DIRECTLY CONTACT YOUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE OR SENATOR, CALL THE CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD AT 202-225-3121. IMPORTANT! HANDWRITTEN LETTERS IN YOUR OWN WORDS ARE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE THAN FORM LETTERS AT CONVINCING ELECTED OFFICIALS OF YOUR SINCERITY AND INVOLVEMENT WITH AN ISSUE. THE FDA, NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS AND MIND MACHINES. Homer Wilson Smith The FDA is planning one of the scariest attacks on your personal freedom and well being that has ever come down the pike, and the scariest thing is, is that it will probably pass without anyone knowing about it until it is far too late. You think the evening news has your best interests in mind? They exist on the advertising revenues for drugs and alcohol, you ever see an ad for multi vitamins or Niacin during prime time live? PAGE 6 In fact, the new laws HAVE ALREADY BEEN PASSED AND ARE SOON TO GO INTO EFFECT but if you act now, and I do mean right now, you might be able to help countering legislation go into effect that will protect your rights and freedoms which the FDA and the American Medical Association and the other purveyors of drug and medicine addiction are planning to take away from you and your children. This is all described in the preceding articles in clear detail, and you should read every word of them, and then write and fax the hell out of your representatives in the House and the Senate letting them know just where you stand on the subject of your health. Put bluntly what the FDA wants to do is ban the sale of nutritional supplements, like vitamins and herbs and amino acids, except those that contain no more than what can be found in natural foods. They wish to regulate high potency vitamins, B-100's, A 10,000's, E 1000's, C 1000's, D 400's, and NIACIN 100's, etc as DRUGS, subject to the laws governing narcotics and criminal possession thereof. Such high potency supplements would only be available by prescription from a doctor, that you would have to PAY to visit and get that prescription, and you would only get it for as long as the doctor said you could have it. If he thought some of his higher priced, medicines were more suitable for you, well then he could take you off of A, B, C, D, E, IODINE, NIACIN, CALCIUM and MAGNESIUM, and put you on something more reasonable like THORAZINE, LITHIUM, VALLIUM, PROZAC, CHLORPROMAZINE and other stuff that God meant only for monsters. All herbs would also be regulated as drugs, lest anyone get well or stay well growing something that didn't generate a tithe to the almighty drug companies and Eli Lily. Whatever happened to growing your health in the back yard? Whatever happened to allopathic and homeopathic medicine, what ever happened to traditional wisdom on the subject of health care, disease prevention and cure? Do you REALLY think that some guy in a white coat making $150,000 a year knows more than your 90 year old grandmother about how to live long and prosper? Or is their whole game to suppress the symptom with some crazy drug and charge a buck for it? Have we all become computer robots so that only the assigned and certified technicians of the body are allowed to dispense cures and biochemical alignment and peace? Vitamins, as you all know, are not produced by the body. Dogs for example can produce their own vitamin C, but humans can't. Ever try feeding an orange to a dog? PAGE 7 Well my Joey would eat grapes... Anyhow, the B vitamins are used to catalyze the burning of ATP and act as an important part of the energy cycle. Vitamin E is an anti-oxidant to keep everything else from turning rancid in your body, and Vitamin C is used to help you clean out all the toxins from your body. Smokers by the way have a much higher need of Vitamin C than non smokers. Niacin, a B vitamin, is one of the most amazing substances known to man, if you haven't tried it yet, GO DO IT. If you are trying to get off of cigarettes, niacin might help as it is related to nicotinic acid. Niacin of course must be taken with a balance of the other vitamins and minerals and iodine. Calcium and Magnesium are critical to the functioning of the nervous system and the bone and teeth structure, and often a deficiency of either will cause a person to be on edge continually. Anyhow, this whole god damn world is so polluted, the air is so disgusting, the water so foul, and the quality of food is so depleted and POISONED, considering how much processing it goes through to get from there to here, that there is just no way normal doses of vitamins are sufficient for many people to survive on this planet. One whiff of car fumes and I am dying like you wouldn't believe, I mean it can ruin my entire day. I used to be a heavy smoker, until I quit, using A, B, crystal C, D, E, Iodine (from tincture), Niacin and minerals. Gee and I though Iodine was POISONOUS! Well don't go drinking the entire bottle. Just use 3 drops in orange juice with a teaspoon of CRYSTAL C ALREADY mixed in it. Just the reaction of the C and the iodine is a wonder to behold, you just KNOW it's gotta be good for you. Don't forget to take A, B, D and E along with it. Niacin in fact saved my life, along with Iodine and other minerals. I would be dead if it weren't for niacin. The DOCTORS wanted to cut me open and do surgery on my spine! That would take care of the pain they said. Right. Now there is another aspect to this, and that is mind machines and bio feedback devices. Again the AMA doesn't want anything to make you well, stimulate your mind, raise your consciousness, tingle your toes, or just make you feel better, that you can just go buy in a store. Or worse design for yourself on a work bench. PAGE 8 The FDA wants to either ban these machines outright, or make their approval process so impossible that none would remain on the market. They want you to PROVE the efficacy of such bio feedback and other mind machines before they are allowed on the market, as if inner well being can be proven to a jerk in a white coat. Besides you gotta be a human being before you can recognize that someone else is doing better in life. Anyhow, the FDA has already gone through this process with the Scientology E-meter and they lost that battle hook, line and sinker. But did they learn anything from that experience? NOOOOOOOOO!. Except how dangerous freedom of religion is along with the freedom to know about yourself and do what you can to improve your own life WITH YOUR OWN HANDS. So now they are trying for another stab at the mind machine market by going after everyone else. I mean are we cattle in their genetic breeding farm? Are they afraid we might harm ourselves and ruin their plans for world conquest through making a buck if we looked into our own well being and took some responsibility for what we want to ingest or take into our own bodies? What would happen if all the cattle in the world just up and said 'No more hormones!, we are going to eat what we want to eat!' Would the economy go under? Should we all just shut up and take whatever the government in its almighty wisdom and CARING feeds us? You know people are always pointing out, 'Well if you just let people do whatever they wanted to, just whatever came into their little ole heads, they would just eat sugar and candy all day long you know, and then turn to drugs and other horrible things and the whole world would just go to pot!' You want to know what the world's biggest addiction is? DOCTORS. This is deadly serious business, in my personal blind, ignorant, biased, and prejudiced opinion the FDA, the AMA, the WHO and the NIMH couldn't give a damn about your health or your well being, they care only about their own power and the pocketbooks of their masters. Entire companies will go out of business if these laws are allowed to pass or stand, populations will be at the mercy of the AMA quacks PAGE 9 and psychiatric drug dealers, and free thought and experimentation on the subject of health and inner well being will become criminal by law. You want this? Well read on if you don't, and for heaven's sake write your congressman today, fax them, tell them what you think, give them a piece of your mind. If enough people give their congressmen a piece of their mind, maybe they will have a mind too! And by all means redistribute this posting to as many people as you can who might care about our freedoms and personal free choice in this matter of our physical well being. I am sorry if this posting has been a bit hysterical or off the wall, but hell I have a reputation to upkeep. Besides some of my best friends are doctors. And now that I have written this, I guess I should consider making friends with a few lawyers too, eh? Homer Wilson Smith HEALTH FREEDOM IN AMERICA 1992 KEY POINTS USUALLY NOT DISCUSSED. This is written as an addendum to pro-choice discussions about health freedoms which, it is assumed, properly speak for free choice of dietary supplements and properly identify the pending legislation worthy of attention. This document is intended to do 2 things only: (A) Point out how important it is to frame the issue as a matter of Minority Rights and tolerance of diversity and (B) point out how important it is to preserve protections not only for vitamins and dietary supplements but also for harmless devices. Health Freedom must be discussed as what it is if the communication is to be effective: It is an issue of minority rights. It is not an issue about consumer protection, nor is it an debate about the validity of health alternatives. The FDA can counter many of our opinions. It cannot counter our primary point: that the FDA will not tolerate minority views. It decides what is legitimate and what is not, and it will not allow products used by people holding dissenting views about health and medicine to be marketed. If the issue is discussed in these precise terms only, the grassroots support for freedom will be enormous, and we can defeat these important erosions of our basic freedoms. Currently, the FDA forbids treatments and products which it deems unsupported by "scientific consensus" not just over questions of safety PAGE 10 but also EFFICACY as determined by the FDA. MANY Americans disagree with the FDA's reading of what is a "scientific consensus" particularly regarding efficacy, and our rights to access alternatives we value are already compromised. The FDA tends to function in a way that enforces a monopoly. This monopoly defines the kind of medical care available in the USA. In the name of consumer protection, providers of any alternative medical care, dietary supplements and health-related devices are sometimes already, and in the future may be more fully and frequently forced to prove efficacy to the FDA, a prohibitively expensive and time consuming process except for large, well financed corporations. If alternatives are marketed without such approval, the FDA can enforce its prohibition of alternatives without affording the providers of alternatives "due process". There exists a "revolving door" between the medical/pharmaceutical industry and the FDA. FDA personnel tend to be hostile to healthcare alternatives that don't come out of the mental set which they share with the "orthodox" medical community. They are blind to these biases, and they freely enforce these biases to the point of prohibiting access to alternatives they frequently do not understand. New legislation threatens to increase FDA regulation & harassment of alternative healthcare providers and companies making and selling dietary supplements and devices. Other new legislation may help safeguard access to alternative choices. This is extremely important legislation. The primary supporters of the objectionable legislation have been liberal Democrats (Waxman, Dingell, Kennedy & Metzenbaum) and the primary opponents of the objectionable legislation (and primary sponsors of the protective legislation) have been conservative Republicans (Hatch). This does not set out an appropriate position for progressives (liberals and Democrats). It is critical that Democrats publicly break with Waxman, Dingell, and their anti choice legislation and anti choice influence in Congress. Countless voters care deeply about this issue & the pending legislation. Because it is a deeply-felt issue, having to do with key choices about our own bodies and well- being, it is highly emotional, and it will politicize many successful, articulate people. It will build as an issue & it won't go away. Devices are very important, too. As our view of the human body includes more and more awareness of electromagnetic mechanisms and "energy" we will want to approach our own health not just via chemistry but through physics. Physics means devices. Devices which are (1) non- invasive and safe, and which (2) are not claimed to cure disease conditions, need to enjoy protections similar to those we have won for vitamins and are working towards for all other dietary supplements. If this is left out of our protective legislation, then we'll have missed an essential dimension of our needed protections. 20 years ago the Proxmier Amendment left out protections for various dietary supplements when it protected vitamins, and now we are having to fight for our basic rights yet again because of this omission. Devices will be the next "hole" in our rights if we don't get them protected now. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:26 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev thur sept 17 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. I've gotten so many updates in the last 48 hours that I've decided to repost. The Storm is Coming . . . . Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- No Date, You'll Just Have To Call TINY TUNE ADVENTURES Chicago (312) - 509 - 5039 Romper Rave Presents TINY TUNE ADVENTURES Feel the vibes of the techno tunes DJs James Johnson, Sergio Cruz, Oskar Alcantar, Notorious Nino, Rigo G-String, DJ 'Evil C', and Evil Ed 'The Rebel' Straight from the rave scene in England, Stixx & Kraze Info: 312 509 5039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 18 GROVE TO MOVE Youngstown, OH (216) - 743 - 6560 In Your Face Bass and Ecstatic present GROOVE TO MOVE Nite the rave experience comes to Youngstown Friday Sept 18 Cedar's (downtown) Featuring: the most absolute groovin'-est techno/house/rave music shaking the floor all night long complete with special appearances from: Body Release (columbus, oh) Big Engine (new castle, pa) Plus on the turntables spinning heavy doses of killer rave and underground bass between stage shows: D.j.EFFy the music flows at 10pm - groove 'til 2:30 straight we'll take your mind outta here! 216-743-6560 [note from Mike Brown - not a real rave, but definitely worth going to if you're in the area, especially since (watch out, shameless plug coming) Body Release are playing -MB] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 18, 1992 CITRUS CLUB Baltimore (410) - 880 - 1166 a tribal gathering of technological pagans paying homage to the new cosmology tangy vibes C I T R U S C L U B juicy grooves harcdore acid tracks, breakbeat & trance friday september eighteen 1992 (and every friday thereafter) 10 pm to 4 am admission $5 dj: Scott Henry 18 & over 21 to drink smart bar by think smart leave you ATTITUDE at the door! no guest list - no politics - no bullshit dial: 410.880.1166 for more info & directions 1003 east pratt street baltimore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 19, 1992 STORM RAVE New York City (212) - 631 - 1065 STORM sr new location hardcore september 19, 1992 11pm-sunrise T H I S S E P T E M B E R !!!!! T H E S T O R M I S C O M I N G ALWAYS ORIGINATE, NEVER PIRATE (212) 631-1065 On Sept. 19 we are going to bend over backwards to bring New York the biggest rave ever !!! We have selected the best DJ's to give you the ultimate night of hardcore. Come & Join Us . . . Organization: Promotions: Mr. Hyde Heather Heather Dave Lights L.A. Dave * Chad E. Boy S R Musical Coordination by: Rave Coordination by: Frankie Bones Dennis the Menace Brooklyn Groove Productions Joint Ventures S T O R M presents MIND STORM THE PIONEERS OF RAVE COME BACK ON SATURDAY, SEPT 19, 1992 TERROR TECHNO BY NEW YORK'S FINEST ---------------------------------- FRANKIE BONES new york's rave pioneer ADAM X new york's hardcore general JIMMY CRASH hardcore, radiation style LENNY DEE just in from his germany tour JAMES CHRISTIAN long island's top rave DJ DANTE of the evolution vibe tribe DJ DAN DC the 16 year old techno wizard of NJ MARIO of the mental unity tribe PETER THE GREAT adrenalin's hardcore rush RALPHIE DEE will "open your mind" Show Hosted by FRANKIE BONES+ TOMMY DUGO of B-91 Tickets Available From: Brooklyn - Groove Records 64 Avenue U, Brooklyn , NY (718) 714-5232 New Jersey - Planet X Music 308 George ST., New Brunswick, NJ (908) 249-0304 Manhattan - Liquid Sky 58 Wooster ST., off Broome St., SOHO, NY, NY (212) 431 - 5369 Stormrave Hotline - (212) 631-1065 Joint Ventures Hotline - (212) 629-2061 constructive crew: Beeper - (718) 766-5369 John P. Franco, Roberto It's hard to believe that there has yet to be a true rave scene in New York City. There are those who have never been to a real rave. Then there are those who claim to be "Rave Promoters" who do it for the green and not for the scene. After intense research in the Storm Rave Organization will be throwing the deepest, most hardcore rave EVER in New York City. It will be the most advanced rave and superior to any event ever put on in the tri-state area. We want to prove that this movement can shape the future. Anyone who was at our June 20th event know what we are talking about. We also apologize about the closing of our July 18th event. We should have know better to go into the corporate world of Manhattan! Going back to Basics...Brooklyn's in the House !!! PEACE.... S T O R M R A V E IF IT'S NOT STORM, YOU AIN'T GETTING WET... September 19, 1992 Your Destiny Awaits ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 19, 1992 ROMPER ROOM Milwaukee(?) (414) - 283 - 1031 (414) - 283 - 1XHi (414) - 283 - 1709 FULL HOUSE PRODUCTIONS INVITES YOU TO PLAY IN OUR... ROMPER ROOM SATURDAY SEPT. 19.1992 THE WORLD'S LARGEST ENTERTAINMENT CENTER FEATURING... LARGER THAN LIFE NINTENDO BRAD BAKER'S X-FX FILM LOOPS AND COMPUTER ANIMATION PRESENTED BY E-FEX 20,000 'PSYCHO' WATTS INTELLABEAMS, MOONBOUNCE, SMARTBAR DJ'S FROM ACROSS THE MIDWEST INCLUDING: ESP WOODY MINNEAPOLIS MR. 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"Always something new and different!" ;^) 50 Liberty Pole Way Rochester, NY 716/262-3050 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 25, 1992 QUEST Providence, RI (401) - 766 - 5334 OutaControl Q U E S T negativity fighting brainrave with neurolube Amoebahead productions with mello mello, bigfunhouse, joint ventures, heather heather, x cubed, and your host mr. x invite you to lube your neurons & brighten you smile DJ's Brooklyn Adam x heather heather Long Island james christian dave trance micro Queens onIonZ Boston debo Providence otterPOP London 333-MGEE Friday Sept 25 100% legal location / MEGA large space 9:30pm / 7:00am Providence, RI Advanced tickets $9 available at LUNACY, Thayer St. Available on the 25th for $11 from 8-12pm at the rave vehicle on Thayer St. Get map with tickets General INFO: 401-766-5334 Brooklyn Bus & INFO: 718-646-8077 Boston Bus & INFO: 617-266-1987 LI Bus & INFO: 516-254-2243 Pittsburg Bus & INFO: 412-621-7759 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 26, 1992 RAVES "R" US Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 30,000 Sq. Foot WAREHOUSE w/Chill out room Saturday, September 26 Tickets & Maps at music now 806 F St. NW Washington, DC For more info: (703) 971-4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, September 28, 1992 2 UNLIMITED Washington, DC (202) - 638 - 3272 Mr. Clean / Phunctions Phit Phor Pharoes Presents: Monday, Sept. 28 9pm-3am ======== 2 Unlimited ============= from Belgium L I V E DJ's ------ Lieven De Geyndt Frankie Hartung John Phillippe Aviance (LA) Anthony Scott Tom T Scott Henry ]]]]]This event will be @ the artscience warehouse 926 N St. NW Washington, D.C. Tickets available in advance at MusicNow International 806 F Street NW 202/638-3272 $10 Advance $12 at the door Smart Bar! 12K feet of pulsing energetic dance, chill-out room, lite and snds ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 BOLD II Worcester, MA Becca says: Worcester is gonna try it again with BOLD II October 23rd ! details will follow in time... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:26 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev thur sept 17 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Ongoing (Club) Raves (if you have more to add please let me know): Baltimore -- Thurs. Paradox (Orbit -- these are not every week though) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus Fri. Axis New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Tilt (Adrenaline) Sun. Chase Bar (Primal) Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- No Date, You'll Just Have To Call TINY TUNE ADVENTURES Chicago (312) - 509 - 5039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 18 GROVE TO MOVE Youngstown, OH (216) - 743 - 6560 CITRUS CLUB Baltimore (410) - 880 - 1166 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 19, 1992 STORM RAVE New York City (212) - 631 - 1065 ROMPER ROOM Milwaukee(?) (414) - 283 - 1031 (414) - 283 - 1XHi (414) - 283 - 1709 TECHNO COLOR Rochester, NY (716) - 262 - 3050 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 25, 1992 QUEST Providence, RI (401) - 766 - 5334 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 26, 1992 RAVES "R" US Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, September 28, 1992 2 UNLIMITED Washington, DC (202) - 638 - 3272 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 BOLD II Worcester, MA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 12:25 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Storm Rave Tickets Hi all. I just called two of the record stores listed on the Storm Rave flyer, Liquid Sky in Manhatten and Planet X in New Jersey, and they will begin selling Storm Rave tickets on Saturday (at noon at Liquid Sky at least). If you're coming from out of town and don't have a ticket (I haven't figured out if pre-Saturday tickets exist or not) your best bet would be either to get to NYC early and go to Liquid Sky, or get to Brooklyn that night and go directly to Groove Records. If anyone needs directions, let me know TODAY and I'll help you out as I have a NYC street map in my car. Rave on, Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Carpool from NJ to Storm Rave? Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 9:04:21 EDT [Sorry I can't restrict distribution on this...] Would anyone be interested in carpooling from NJ to Storm this Saturday? I can drive, but it seems like a waste to go by myself... -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: old storm tix Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 11:05:55 EDT hey does anyone know if we can still use the tix from storm 5 if we never got in, and we still have that ticket stub because we have so carefully held onto it since july??? i heard a rumor somewhere that they could be used... any info anyone??? becca [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Old Storm Tiks are good Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 22:42:03 EDT Yo Ravers. Your Storm 5 un-used tickets will get you into Storm on Saturday. Start lookin' for those old tiks. $15 is $15. :) See you all there. Hardcore, you know... dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 20 Sep 92 10:08 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: STORM RAVE!!!! It's the day after. Or still the day of. Or something. And we're all back at my place eating blueberry muffins and listening to Cocteau Twins. Oh yeah, the rave was great, yummy, hardcore hell and then came the messiah (Dante) 5000+ people in the house . . . the largest rave ever on the East Coast, in a trucking / loading dock in Queens. 100% hardcore all night (except for the Dante parts). Lenny D, a 16 year old kid from NJ, was so damn amazing that Frankie Bones (the hardcore king himself) should be shivering in his shoes . . . except it wasn't like that, 'cause everyone was there FOR the scene, loving it, dancing all night. Mind machines, smart drinks, mongo intellabeams. It was like a prom. On acid. The usual crowd . . . too many drunks until 3.00, then the ravers took over, and at 7.00 am when Dante came on it was like religion. Oh, by the way we (ne-raves) are famous. And we have our intrepid moderator, John Adams, to thank, for bringing us all together. We are mentioned in the definitive East Coast rave 'Zine, Heather Heather's "Under One Sky." Coming soon to a rave near you. And Heather Heather herself is coming soon to us, joining on ne-raves. Dave (djm@bedford.progess.com) says "it was hardcore heaven and I was not hating it." Joe (cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu) says "I dunno. Narcissus is still cool." John (jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu) says "what the hell was Lenny D on? Speed? No, RAVE." Becca (frans@wpi.wpi.edu) says "my glowstick was the best toy, better than Santa ever brought me." Laura (laura@usl.com) says "oh my god oh my god it was so wonderful it was so beautiful I love everybody I love the world it's PERFECT" You would not believe some of the music we heard. Hardcore at 220 bpm at 8.00 am, Frankie Bones on the turntables. GO TO THE NEXT STORM RAVE. NYC, OCTOBER 17. IT WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT RAVING FOREVER. In the meantime, catch Dante at Bold (Worcester, MA, Oct. 23). peace - love - unity - FUN - rave on Laura/John/Dave/Becca/Joe+Debbie(rave leader extrodinaire) and Jim (Boston's best unsigned DJ) Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 20 Sep 1992 19:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: mailing list i'm having trouble getting thru to you guys. if this goes, please put me on your mailin list. thanx all. hack. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 21 Sep 92 15:48:57 EDT From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: STORM RAVE!!!! > The usual crowd . . . too many drunks until 3.00, then the ravers took > over, and at 7.00 am when Dante came on it was like religion. Sounds like the thing to do would be to arrive at 3:00 then. I noticed the drunk-attrition as well. Part of the problem was that there was a *huge* line outside (we got there at about 12:45am but didn't get in until almost 2:00) giving the drunks more time to tank up. Had we gotten in quickly, I'd have tried to locate the ne-raves gang, remembering something about the DJ booth at 1:00, but by the time we got in there I couldn't have found my own mother in that crowd, much less a group of people I've never seen in person. Maybe we should get buttons like the sf-raves people have... No big deal though. A few hours under those mini-Intellabeams and I got what I came for anyway. I wanted to stay later but the person I was with started to conk out, so we left around 5:00. I got to sleep around 6:30, but the smart drinks were too smart and I woke up again at 9:00. > Laura (laura@usl.com) says "oh my god oh my god it was so wonderful it was > so beautiful I love everybody I love the world it's PERFECT" In some ways I almost feel wistful about rave culture. Why didn't any check-your-attitude-at-the-door movements come along until after I turned 30? Where was this when I was 15?!?! I know I'm not too old for this, but I have to admit that it's a lot more work to dance my butt off all night than it was ten years ago, no matter how good of a time I'm having. But it's here now and that's all that really matters. > GO TO THE NEXT STORM RAVE. NYC, OCTOBER 17. No doubt. See you all there. -Ed P.S. My last few messages haven't gotten back to my own mailbox so I'm not sure they're getting out to the list. A quick acknowledgment would be mucho appreciated. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 09:28 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: STORM RAVE!!!! Ed wrote: >> [Laura wrote:] >> The usual crowd . . . too many drunks until 3.00, then the ravers took >> over, and at 7.00 am when Dante came on it was like religion. > >Sounds like the thing to do would be to arrive at 3:00 then. I noticed >the drunk-attrition as well. Part of the problem was that there was >a *huge* line outside (we got there at about 12:45am but didn't get in >until almost 2:00) giving the drunks more time to tank up. We arrived at 11.40 pm and got in about an hour later. They didn't even start letting people in until after midnight (about 12.15 I think). The sound system wasn't exactly functioning right, so that's why no one was getting in. I think they should have started slowly letting people in anyway, because they could have hung at the smart bar and looked at T-shirts and flyers and the like. It would have beaten standing on line. I like the idea of arriving at 3.00 am, but I'd feel like I might be missing something! >Had we gotten in quickly, I'd have tried to locate the ne-raves gang, Oh, you would have never found us anyway . . . the rave was total chaos in a very good way, and once inside we just went with it. There was talk about ne-raves t-shirts at one point, but you see John found out that silkscreens are very expensive (for good ones) and we don't have the capital to get shirts and pay for the screen. And the list said they didn't want to pay more tha $7 for a shirt, but he figured the costs would be more than that, so the idea has kind of fizzled. >I wanted to stay later but the person I >was with started to conk out, so we left around 5:00. We were pushed out by the security guards closing the fence at about 8.00 am or so. "Go home people. It's gotta end sometime. Leave so we can go home and get some sleep." >I got to sleep around 6:30, but the smart drinks were too smart and I >woke up again at 9:00. I stayed up until 10.00 pm Sunday night, and then slept for 16 hours. Raving always makes me feel like I have jet lag. >> GO TO THE NEXT STORM RAVE. NYC, OCTOBER 17. By the way, I'm not sure about this date so don't get too excited yet. As L.A. Dave (one of the promoters) said "we aren't sure if we're gonna throw a party that night or not yet." Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 10:31:19 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: STORM RAVE!!!! > >> GO TO THE NEXT STORM RAVE. NYC, OCTOBER 17. > > By the way, I'm not sure about this date so don't get too excited yet. As > L.A. Dave (one of the promoters) said "we aren't sure if we're gonna throw a > party that night or not yet." Also, Sputnik's second launch is set for this date :( I hope ONE of them gets moved. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 12:31:25 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: STORM RAVE!!!! us ne-rave people never quite made it to meeting up with any other ne-ravers at 1 am... Either A> we forgot or B> there was too much chaos to find anyone. Next time we've gotta figure out a better way of meeting people. Storm rave was _intense_... SR people aren't sure if they're having another rave on October 17th, because the date is the same as another rave that the usual SR DJ's will probably be spinning at. More information as it comes in --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 12:36:54 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: STORM RAVE!!!! At least both raves are in NY.. maybe we could be REALLY insane and do both... :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 12:56 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: REPOST from alt.rave Storm Rave Report I wrote this after 16 hours of sleep, as opposed to that other thing we sent Sunday morning: In article <8ejBbX200WBMM3Bls_@andrew.cmu.edu> Edward Sokhyon Pak writes: > Did anyone reading this board go to the storm rave in NYC? How was it? > FEEDBACK???? I went with a bunch of friends from Boston who are also on the ne-raves list. It was AMAZING. We dropped by Groove Records around 10.30 pm and traded in our tickets from the busted July 10 Storm Rave and received a map to the site, a trucking consolidation / loading dock / thing in Queens. We arrived around 11.40 only to find that they were having sound system problems and no one was being let in yet. There were about 300 people on line waiting calmly to get in. They started letting people in around 12.15, and we got in about 12.45. There was one of those airport style metal detectors that everyone had to walk through, and then people were mildly frisked after that. Once inside we immediately started dancing. There were many intellabeams, but no lasers. The sound was amazing, a whole wall of speakers took up one end of the loading dock. Some of the dock doors were open, and out back there was a smart bar, people selling hot dogs and t shirts, and a booth with flyers and storm rave necklaces. After dancing for at least an hour we ventured to the back of the loading dock and were completely amazed by what we saw: some of the intellabeams had been directed out there, and there were easily 3000 people out there dancing in the night air. Later on we found out that this was the largest rave ever on the east coast, that there were at least 5000 and maybe closer to 7000 people there. The music was the traditional 100% hardcore that the Brooklyn crowd seems to favor so much. After 5 hours it gets a little weak though . . . but around dawn (6.00 am-ish?) Dante came on and gave us some beautiful trancy stuff too. The craziest DJ of the night was Lenny D, who spun like a Tazmanian Devil. He was surrounded by a group of lackeys that would pull records for him, catch them as he threw them off the tables, and put them away again (if they were still playable). Some vinyl didn't stay down for more than about 20 seconds before it was off and he was mixing in something new. So amazing to watch him . . . someone commented "What is he ON, speed?" to which someone else replied "no, RAVE." I was a bit distressed to find myself on the edge of a mosh pit around 1.30am, but what was happening was that there was little room to dance and a bunch of guys were trying to MAKE room. But suddenly order set in, and a circle was formed and they started taking turns rather than beating people out of the way. I had a mini-mag light with me, and used it to spotlight whatever dancer was in the center while my friend John drew designs on them with his laser pen. This went on for a good while, and everyone was enjoying it. Much much later there was some more moshing, but it was very good natured. I had to get through the pit to get to my water stash (which was left peacefully alone all night). I just smiled and danced through them, and they parted like the red sea. It was weird to feel them close beind me and start knocking into each other while I escaped unharmed. The strangest thing of the whole night ocurred around 7.00 am or so. The sun had come up and Dante was spinning this piece that had these little school bell sounds in the background. Dancing to it, after a night of complete chaos, was a group of tiny little girls. I'd swear they were about 13 years old. The sweetest, happiest girls I'd seen. It was surreal. Meanwhile out on the loading dock a few older girls (including me) were dancing, all just sort of peacefully grooving, in the midst of the horrible mess of empty water bottles, trampled flyers, and tired ravers. The rave suddenly felt very peaceful and, well, feminine, after a night of very masculine hardcore and moshing and the like. The night ended with Frankie Bones spinning "We are the Champions." Very odd. Even odder was the fact that Frankie turned off the power to the turntable and was spinning it BY HAND. But it wasn't QUITE over . . . one last burst of insane hardcore followed -- at 250 bpm. Oh my god. There were probably about 200 people left at this point, and we were all pushed out, the Storm Rave Security guys saying "Party's over, you've got to go home sometime, everybody leave so we can go home and sleep." So we did. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 13:16:57 EDT From: erik@avalon.harvard.edu (Erik Evensen) Subject: where to rent equipment Hi all, I'm looking for information on where to rent lighting (strobes, black lights, intellibeams, lasers, whatcetera) and sound equipment for an event that I'm putting on. The closer to Cambridge, MA the better! and even better if they deliver! My apologies if this is not the place to ask this but it seemed like the best...Thanks in advance. --Erik [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: XDZebra Review #16 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 11:24:01 MDT XDZebra Review #16 Addiction PO Box 510192 Salt Lake City, UT 84151-0192 When in Utah call the T A S T E hotline 801-461-3375. Trying to find these releases? Try Ear/Rational Music: FAX 805/893-8553, Phone 805/564-4949, email angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu Back issues are available. Mail me if interested. This is all my opinion. Flames against a review are pretty pointless, so don't bother. Let me know if you have any other comments though. The number next to the index is the "dance factor". 5 = high, 1 = low XDZebra Reviews may be reproduced without permission under one condition, they remain intact and unchanged. If you publish this in print, mail me a copy via "Addiction". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Review #16 Contents: Kicks Like a Mule: Number One Gat Decor: Passion Only For The Headstrong Vol. II Biosphere: Microgravity Punizone Continua mixed by Digital Boy Super Ragga Gabba Altern8: Full On -- Mask Hysteria Kicks Like a Mule: Number One Tribal Bass: TRIBE 7CD 1 3 03:41 Number One (Rockers Mix) 2 4 05:01 Number One (Housequake Mix) 3 3 05:17 Number One (Tribe Mix) 4 2 04:27 DJ Talk Comments: Fresh from their big hit "The Bouncer", Kicks Like a Mule throws out a piece of self-promoting vomit. The main lyrics for "Number One" state how KLaM is indeed "number one". Yawn, I was hoping that this was something that was exclusive to rap, but it appears that they have brought it to ragga as well. Even more delightful is the fact that the bass and rythm is only slightly modified from "The Bouncer". The mixes don't save anything as well, since they are for the most part, the same. "DJ Talk" is only slightly better, but a little too hip-hop for my tastes. Summary: 1/10. They screwed up the track listing as well as putting the whole thing in a paper sleeve. Gat Decor: Passion Effective Records: CD EFFS 1 1 4 04:24 Passion (Naked Mix Edit) 2 5 03:28 Passion (D. Emerson Mix Edit) 3 4 07:46 Passion (Naked Mix) 4 5 14:07 Passion (D. Emerson Mix) Comments: A strictly instrumental house piece that has a good melodic synth line. For some reason, the production behind this reminds me a lot of Skin Up's work. Cheap artwork, sharp quality. The D. Emerson mix "seems" to have a better beat, but it is hard to nail down what moves me more about it. Both mixes are good tracks in their own right. I know that Twitch recently remixed this, and it will probably be on a comp sooner or later, so I would recommend buying those over this rather empty, but excellent single. Summary: 7/10. I just wish there was more on this disc. Only For The Headstrong Vol. II FFRR: 828 316-2 1 3 05:50 Isotonik: Everywhere I Go (Fuzzy Orange Mix) 2 4 05:47 Utah Saints: Something Good (051 Mix by John Kelly) 3 5 06:17 Zoogie: Forever On 4 5 07:33 Nightwriters: Let The Music Use You (92 Hardcore Remix) 5 5 05:02 Powerpill: Pac-Man (Mickey Finn's Yum Yum Mix) 6 5 05:42 Gongo: Master Blaster (Matthew's Master Mix) 7 2 11:42 Degrees of Motion: Do You Want It Right Now (Scream Up Mix) 8 3 05:57 Outrage: Drives Me Crazy 9 4 05:13 4 Hero: Where's The Boy (The Remix) 10 3 07:51 Klubzone 1: Soft To Hard (Razor Boy Mirror Man Remix) 11 5 06:02 Clepto-Maniacs: Positive Feedback (Genacide II Remix) 12 3 05:30 Zero B: Lock Up (Monolith Mix) Comments: FFRR releases their second compilation of their own artists. For the most part, this is a strong collection scarred by only one track. "Do You Want It Right Now" takes wailing diva into babbling diva with a 12 minute monstrosity. Too bad they didn't throw something Orbital into it's place. Other than that there are no big complaints. Tracks 3-6 are fiercely manic, but not chipmunk, and yes, I do like the Powerpill track. 4 Hero displays another set of weird spoken word samples, but Klubzone simply rehashes Manic's "Feel Real Good". Summary: 8/10. Maybe only the established labels are able to put out good comps anymore. Biosphere: Microgravity R&S/Apollo: AMBCD 3921 1 05:12 Microgravity 2 3 05:05 Baby Satellite 3 2 08:18 Tranquillizer 4 4 04:54 The Fairy Tale 5 05:27 Cloudwalker II 6 4 03:28 Chromosphere 7 1 05:02 Cygnus-A 8 2 05:08 Baby Interphase 9 04:41 Biosphere Comments: Deeper, more synthetic, less sample based ambience than what Orb produces. I try to resist comparing ambient artists to Orb, but they seem to have become a sort of standard by which others are judged. Biosphere is an ex-member of Bel Canto, and the Scandinavian influence is apparent. Looking at the picture inside, you would have sworn he jumped right off of Sprockets. Yet this is a good album, a nice release for R&S's ambient label, Apollo. However, sometimes the samples that are used tend to be clumsy and out of place. Tracks like "Fairy Tale" and "Chromosphere" are perfect trance though. Summary: 8/10. Will probably take a few listens to get used to. The end result is worth the time. Punizone Continua mixed by Digital Boy Flying Records: FLY125CD 1 21:38 N.U.K.E.: Nana Maser: F.U.C.K C*Y*B: Ovverture Interactive: Dildo Digital Boy: 1-2-3 Acid! Control Unit: Ti Sei Bevuto II Cervello Precious X Project: Dukka (A New Kind of Sound E.P.) 2 21:21 Activity: The Virus Disease Trashman: Cosmotrash Ferrante & Co.: Breakin' Away MIG-29: I'm The King Underground Resistance: The Fury Eskimos & Egypt: Reggae Metal Solid State (Quark E.P.): Headache Comments: An absolutely stunning mix done by Digital Boy. It is apparent that this made the transition from vinyl, because of the two tracks being slightly smaller than a side of wax. I would originally think that it would have been nice for them to put in tracking information on the CD, but upon listening to this, I don't know where I'd put it! Digital Boy does such a smooth job of blending tracks that you can't really tell where one ends and the other begins. Plus he'll return to the previous track a lot. Seems like he's also using a drum machine to keep things going. I've got to hunt some of this stuff down, "Nana" and "F.U.C.K" are great, as is "Cosmotrash". All tracks rank a 4 or 5 on the danceabilty scale. Summary: 8/10. Fabulous mixing by a top notch DJ. Super Ragga Gabba Thunderpussy: THP 2003-2 1 4 04:31 Happy Ragga Man Pt.1 2 5 05:23 One Mo' Rave 3 4 04:43 Happy Ragga Gal 4 4 04:07 Happy Ragga Man Pt.2 (Dr. Nunu) Comments: The majority of ragga tracks have slightly amused me, but never really moved me. This is an exception. Thunderpussy manages to jiggle my bunz like no ragga has yet. What can you expect from a track that not only samples Meat Beat Manifesto's "Babylon" but also has a driving drum line in it? Low on the dopey reggae influence, high on the shakeability, find this and boogie. Summary: 9/10. Resurrected my ragga faith after some recent bad releases. Altern8: Full On -- Mask Hysteria Network Records: TOP CD1 1 5 04:56 Move My Body 2 3 05:36 Infiltrate 202 3 5 05:19 E-Vapor-8 4 3 04:30 8's Revenge 5 4 05:28 Frequency 6 3 04:47 Real Time Status 7 1 05:13 First of May 8 4 05:23 Hypnotic St-8 9 3 05:33 Activ-8 10 2 05:48 Brutal-8-e 11 5 05:55 A D-8 With Plezure 12 4 05:49 Armageddon 13 3 04:47 Give it to Baby 14 2 06:13 Re-Indulge Comments: Like their titles, Altern8's music tends to repeat melodies, drum lines, and samples over and over until it ends. Granted, sometimes this works, but most of the tracks that do have been previously released as singles. There isn't really anything new that is notable on this disc, with the exception of "D-8 With Plezure". Things like "Give it to Baby" and "Re-Indulge" are incredibly boring. Yet, all of the good singles like "E-Vapor-8" and "Hypnotic St-8" are here, so this is a good compilation of Altern-8's material. Summary: 7/10. Buy it if you don't have the singles, otherwise don't bother. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 10:56:15 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: REPOST from alt.rave Storm Rave Report Sounds like ne-raves and sf-raves should have some sort of cultural exchange program... sounds like the scene there is taking off. But.... >I was a bit distressed to find myself on the edge of a mosh pit around 1:30am, MOSHING? at a rave? YOW! Moshing in my mind is completely opposite from what I tink of as a "rave mentality". People on E don't mosh! Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: where to rent equipment Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 12:28:34 MDT > I'm looking for information on where to rent lighting (strobes, black lights, intellibeams, > lasers, whatcetera) and sound equipment for an event that I'm putting on. The closer to > Cambridge, MA the better! and even better if they deliver! My apologies if this is not the > place to ask this but it seemed like the best...Thanks in advance. Look in the yellow pages under "theatricals". [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 14:24:50 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: REPOST from alt.rave Storm Rave Report But large Long Island Jocko-types who've been drining the cases upon cases of bud that they've brought in all evening mosh... because in their minds hardcore = angst = slam dance... In Boston I've seen people mosh at Cocteau Twins and Lush shows.. Doesn't matter much though; after they left at 3:30 am or so us ravers went nutty and grooved... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 14:14:43 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: REPOST from alt.rave Storm Rave Report > >I was a bit distressed to find myself on the edge of a mosh pit around 1:30am, > > MOSHING? at a rave? YOW! Moshing in my mind is completely opposite from what > I tink of as a "rave mentality". People on E don't mosh! Yeah, I was a bit surprised the first time I saw this happen at a rave, but the incidents are isolated and usually perpetrated by a few drunken locals who aren't there to "rave" anyway. When it does happen, the ravers kinda just stare at them like, "what the hell are you doing?!", and they eventually stop. :) Hardcore peace. - dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 15:07 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue sep 22 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. Huge numbers of upcoming raves and techno happenings . . . . Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- various times VAGABOND Philadelphia (215) - 592 - 8481 Vagabond in Philadelphia Featuring DJs Wink, King, Blake, Dozia, and Odyssey. Parties are held on Saturdays and Mondays (different locations each time). Call 215 - 592 - 8481 for info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, September 23, 1992 DISCO 2000 New York City (212) - 807 - 7850 808 State TIMEBOMB is set to explode from the upcoming 808 State album GORGEOUS Wednesday 23 September 1992 10 pm Michael Francis & Mark Anthony present TRANCE DANCE / THE SOUND OF THE FUTURE hosted by Normat Scott & Trepp promotions by S I L, Dayvid Delusion, LIttle Anthony, Loca Gabore, Jello, Philactia, Larry Love, Mark Regen DJ KEOKI featuring Special DJ Appearance by SPINMASTERS A DJ Showcase by the members of 808 State spinning their new release TIMEBOMB DISCO 2000 - LIMELIGHT 20th St. & 6th Ave. 807 - 7850 $7 with invite / $12 without ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, September 24 ORBIT Baltimore 1310 Russel St. DJ Scott Henry in the backroom -- tribal style ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, September 24, 1992 PEACE New York City Thursday at Peace DJ's Soul Slinger, ON-E & Malik Guest DJ: Dimitri from DEE-LITE Chill-Out on second floor with live music by African Fabrick Jazz Mental * Music Selected by Richard Vasquez Funky music & good people coming together under a liquid sky San Fran Richard * Desimonster * Sush G-Spot * Alan Sanctuary * Scotto * Lase * Ernie Glam * Joey S. * Conrad * Niles Peacock * Mellollem * Heather * Frank M. * Wallpaper * Starchild * George-E * Totally Todd * MJ * Trepp * Liquid Sky Posse & YOU $7 w/invite * $12 w/o * party 11.00 pm UNTIL Peace -- 185 Thompson Street (between Bleecker & Houston) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, September 24, 1992 INSOMNIACS New York (Queens) (718) - 464 - 3600 Caspa and Friends Kort & Gregory (Long Island Underground Scene) Heather Heather (Brooklyn Hardcore Posse/Under One Sky/Storm Raves) Pepo (Queens Underground Growing Strong) Invite you to join in the opening of InSoMnIaCs Queens Largest Underground Groove Thursdays Thursday, September 24, 1992 and every Thursday thereafter doors open at 10 pm DJ's Adam X - Front runner, creator of NYC hardcore Jimmy Crash - Catch the Caffeine rush back to back 20,000 watts of pure mayhem Ladies free before 11.30 18 & over * proper ID required $7 adm. * $5 w/invite Insomniacs is loacted at: 205-20 Jamaica Ave. (Corner of Frances Lewis Blvd.) Ph: (718) 464 - 3600 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 25, 1992 QUEST Providence, RI (401) - 766 - 5334 OutaControl Q U E S T negativity fighting brainrave with neurolube Amoebahead productions with mello mello, bigfunhouse, joint ventures, heather heather, x cubed, and your host mr. x invite you to lube your neurons & brighten you smile DJ's Brooklyn Adam x heather heather Long Island james christian dave trance micro Queens onIonZ Boston debo Providence otterPOP London 333-MGEE Friday Sept 25 100% legal location / MEGA large space 9:30pm / 7:00am Providence, RI Advanced tickets $9 available at LUNACY, Thayer St. Available on the 25th for $11 from 8-12pm at the rave vehicle on Thayer St. Get map with tickets General INFO: 401-766-5334 Brooklyn Bus & INFO: 718-646-8077 Boston Bus & INFO: 617-266-1987 LI Bus & INFO: 516-254-2243 Pittsburg Bus & INFO: 412-621-7759 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 25, 1992 NASA New York City (212) - 330 - 8233 (301) - 783 - 5492 NASA Nocturnal Audio Sensory Awakening Mission Control DB + Scotto NASA Time Capsule One Special Suprise Guest DF Appearance from England's Top Rave Band Plus NASA DJs DB Jason Jinx Soul Slinger Dante Liquid Sky Capsule Ambinet Trance Vibeology DJ's ON-E Mr. Kleen Psychecyberradiant Lights: Scotto Design: Creation UK + IQ A Portion of Proceeds to GreenPeace Liftoff: Friday 9.25.92 Splashdown: Daybreak Flight: $10 w/flyer before midnight, $12 after Launch Pad: The Shelter 157 Hudson Street Three Blocks Below Canal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 26, 1992 FLASHBACK New York (212) - 631 - 1065 (212) - 629 - 2061 Dennis the Menace of Joint Ventures presents "a night of old school warehouse fun" FLASHBACK Going back to the early daze of rave Saturday, Sept. 26, 1992 DJ's Frankie Bones (of Storm) James Christian (Storm, Fluid) Micro (Caffiene) Dante (Evolution) Dave Trance (Limelight, Caffiene) Onionz (L.I. & Boston Underground) And live from London: Time Taylor playing his massive hit "The Horn Track" Free toys and 20K of pounding noise Hotlines call (212) 631 - 1065 / (212) 629 - 2061 Tickets: Groove Records (718) 714 - 5232 on the night 9-26-92 from 8pm to 1am *from the underground to you* ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 26, 1992 RAVES "R" US Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 25,000 Sq. Foot WAREHOUSE with a multi-room chill out area Tickets & Maps will be sold at music now / 806 F St. NW / Washington, DC from 4.00 pm to 1.00 am (202) - 638 - 3272 intellabeams data flash color pros visuals 10 watt laser 30,000 watts of sound DJ's DC: Scott Henry, Suz E Cyclone, Nate NY: Jimmy Crash, James Christian Balto: Bobble PA: Wink rave wear by: catastrophick, loop, and shake 'n' bake cover $12 Speed Raver and Raver X: (703) 971-4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 26, 1992 NITROUS 015 Toronto (416) - 760 - 3185 NITROUS 015 SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 26 MEETING PLACE: CORNER OF WELLINGTON & BAY (1 BLK N OF UNION STATION) FUN FONE 416-760-3185 ADV TICKETS AT: BANG CLOTHING 176.5 QUEEN ST W RURAL CLOTHING 242.5 QUEEN ST E UNCLE OTIS 26 BELLAIR ST. STARSOUND 427 YONGE ST PLAY DE RECORD 357A YONGE ST APPOLLO RECORDS 820 ELMWOOD AVE. BUFFALO NY RECORD TIME 25110 GRATIOT AVE ROSEVILLE DETRIOT ALL DR DISC LOCATIONS. THEY WILL ANNOUNCE A SPECIAL CONCERT WHICH I BELEIVE IS THE 808 STATE RAVE GIG. RUMOR HAS IT THE 808, MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO, TEKNICOLOR RAINCOATS, RAIL TEC AND SOMEONE NAMED IAN SOMETHING ARE PLAYING A RAVE GIG IN TORONTO IN NOV. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, September 28, 1992 2 UNLIMITED Washington, DC (202) - 638 - 3272 Mr. Clean / Phunctions Phit Phor Pharoes Presents: Monday, Sept. 28 9pm-3am ======== 2 Unlimited ============= from Belgium L I V E DJ's ------ Lieven De Geyndt Frankie Hartung John Phillippe Aviance (LA) Anthony Scott Tom T Scott Henry ]]]]]This event will be @ the artscience warehouse 926 N St. NW Washington, D.C. Tickets available in advance at MusicNow International 806 F Street NW 202/638-3272 $10 Advance $12 at the door Smart Bar! 12K feet of pulsing energetic dance, chill-out room, lite and snds ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, October 1, 1992 TRIPOTRONIC Baltimore (410) - 523 - 1882 1310 Russel St. Featuring DJ Lenny D, Bobble, and Glitch Atomic Vibe Chillout with DJs Wash and Shag ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 2, 1992 E-LLUSION Long Island, NY (516) - 547 - 6137 E-LLUSION at CAFFEINE Friday, October 2 Where rhythm WILL take control with DJs MICRO -- Caffeine's Energizer ONIONZ -- from another planet DEBO -- of the Boston underground only for the hardcore raver! $7 w/pass 832-6 Grand Blvd., Dix Hills, NY, 11729 HOTLINE (516) - 547 - 6137 L.I.E.: Exit 52 South (Commack Rd.) to Grand Blvd. (corner 7-11) make left, 1/2 mile on right. Southern State: Exit 39 Norht (Rt. 231) to Commack Rd. 1 mile make right onto Grand Blvd. (corner 7-11) 1/2 mile on right. By Train: N.Y. Penn Station Ronkonkoma Branch to Deer Park leaving at 8.14, 9.14, 10.14. Returning trains to Penn Station at 1.23 and 3.53. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 3, 1992 ULTRAWORLD EXCURSION Baltimore (410) - 922 - 8050 DJ's Scott Henry -- Adam X -- DJ Sun Chill out with ATOMIC VIBE smart bar Access Code: 410.922.8050 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] U8 X Space Launch Nuclear Kiss Lucid Visuals 18 and Over ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 10, 1992 THUNDERGROUND New York/Staten Island (212) - 631 - 1065 (212) - 629 - 2061 The Thunderground -- 10.10.92 -- A New Beginning It all started just over one year ago. A small handful of people, a strobe light, and a vision, which now has become the East Coast rave scene. Now, the people who brought you Storm, invite you to New York's forst and only true Euro-Style techno club. The most important thing will be the music which everyone else here thinks is a trend. Come to rave & come to experience the future. The Storm-Rave Organization Presents The Grand Opening of The THUNDERGROUND Friday, October 10, 1992 Doors Open: 10pm - Dawn 18 to think / 21 to drink 100% legal * 100% underground & 100% pure In the Techno Reactor -------------------- Frankie Bones Adam X Jimmy Crash taking you through a history of pure techno In the Nuclear Chamber ---------------------- Ralphie Dee Micro Onionz playing a mixture of trance, ambiance & techno Mind-dissolving lasers, advanced light show, smart bar, and the most pounding techno sound ever in NYC. Executive producers: Joe Fax, Mr. Hyde, and Dave Lights Your Host With the Most: Dennis the Menace Promo's By: Heather Heather, Chad E. Boy, and L.A. Dave -- There will be shuttle busses -- Call Groove (718) - 714 - 5232 or Beeper (718) - 766 - 5369. Hotlines (212) - 631 - 1065 / (212) 629 - 2061 The Thunderground * 700 Van Duzer * SI, New York * Club Phone (718) 816 - 5323 Ample parking with top security Directions from bridge: Verrazano Bridge onto Staten Island Expressway to Richmod Road Exit. Get off and make a right at first light (Targee St.). Go 1 mile to Broad Street and make a left, 1 block to the Thunderground. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17, 1992 SPUTNIK II (near) New York City (212) - 465 - 3299 Return To Orbit On October 17th SPUTNIK II Info Line: (212) 465 - 3299 New Location Within 20 Miles of NYC . . . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 BOLD II Worcester, MA Becca says: Worcester is gonna try it again with BOLD II October 23rd ! details will follow in time... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 15:08 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue sep 22 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Ongoing (Club) Raves (if you have more to add please let me know): Baltimore -- Thurs. Paradox (Orbit -- these are not every week though) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus Fri. Axis New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight Insomniacs Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Tilt (Adrenaline) Sun. Chase Bar (Primal) Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- various times VAGABOND Philadelphia (215) - 592 - 8481 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday, September 23, 1992 DISCO 2000 New York City (212) - 807 - 7850 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, September 24 ORBIT Baltimore PEACE New York City INSOMNIACS New York (Queens) (718) - 464 - 3600 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, September 25, 1992 QUEST Providence, RI (401) - 766 - 5334 NASA New York City (212) - 330 - 8233 (301) - 783 - 5492 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, September 26, 1992 FLASHBACK New York (212) - 631 - 1065 (212) - 629 - 2061 RAVES "R" US Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 NITROUS 015 Toronto (416) - 760 - 3185 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, September 28, 1992 2 UNLIMITED Washington, DC (202) - 638 - 3272 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, October 1, 1992 TRIPOTRONIC Baltimore (410) - 523 - 1882 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 2, 1992 E-LLUSION Long Island, NY (516) - 547 - 6137 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 3, 1992 ULTRAWORLD EXCURSION Baltimore (410) - 922 - 8050 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 10, 1992 THUNDERGROUND New York/Staten Island (212) - 631 - 1065 (212) - 629 - 2061 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17, 1992 SPUTNIK II (near) New York City (212) - 465 - 3299 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 BOLD II Worcester, MA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 16:11:28 EDT From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: STORM RAVE!!!! John Adams wrote: > Next time we've gotta figure out a better way of meeting people. How about lighting? By the time Sputnik happens, I should have one of those pen lasers. Also, Mag-lites with colored acetate gels (I've got a bunch of gels) should be pretty recognizable. Maybe glow necklaces worn in a specific manner? Just some thoughts... -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 16:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Slamming = Cool Excerpts from NE-Raves: 22-Sep-92 Re: REPOST from alt.rave S.. Vitamin B@soda.berkeley. (369) >MOSHING? at a rave? YOW! Moshing in my mind is completely opposite from >what I tink of as a "rave mentality". People on E don't mosh! > Brian After having DJed and danced to stuff around 160bpm or better, I wish people would slam more. From a few converstations I've had people talk about how the new "dancing" involves more hand movements, I haven't seen this, sounds really odd. But if you ever slam in a crowd that knows what it's doing then this is quite fun. You will get bumped around a bit, but contrary to some peoples believes, slamming does not mean trying to bruise everyone else. If you are into S/M there is a different crowd you need to hang out with. I haven't gotten a chance to hear some of the new stuff, but once people start "dancing" to 180bpm and better stuff, Techno is getting more like Electronic Punk. Which you can't dance to, you need to slam. -Matt Techno Terrorists 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh 8pm-Midnight Fridays [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 17:45:35 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Slamming = Cool > I haven't gotten a chance to hear some of the new stuff, but once people > start "dancing" to 180bpm and better stuff, Techno is getting more like > Electronic Punk. Which you can't dance to, you need to slam. Can't dance to?!? I guess you haven't been to a Storm Rave yet. On Saturday, there were hours at a time where the music wouldn't go below 160BPM and would often sustain itself for a good 20 minutes at 190+. All the hardcore ravers would just speed groove on their own. I had the best time doing just that. There's no need to slam dance at a rave, IMHO. peace and hardcore, yo dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 15:25:51 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: Slamming = Cool >On Saturday, there were hours at a time where the music wouldn't go below >160BPM and would often sustain itself for a good 20 minutes at 190+. Er... I find this hard to believe. Think about it. 180bpm means _3_beats_per_ second_. I'm having trouble coming up with any dance music I've bought in the past year (ever?) that was listed as being above 150. The songs on Twitch release #6 (which had a LOT of rave tunz on it) ranged from 122 to 145, and even at +8 that only goes up to 157. What was the fastest on the latest comp you bought? I know time and perception gets warped sometimes at raves... Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 10:59 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Slamming = Cool Joe wrote: >Mostly it centered around 140/145. (There >was that Dutch record by the Euromasters that basically was thrash >techno, but they only played that twice, and I think most people just >kinda stared off into space and gawked at the speakers in disbelief.) Hey, *this* girl was raving to it, so there. >but yet the music that places like Storm Rave play >are very macho/testosterone/which-DJ's-dick-is-bigger kinda stuff; and >certainly the antics of the DJs themselves falls under that high school >crotch-grabbing "Yo, Vinnie!" kind of mentality. Yeah, this is annoying. They're all just being little thrash punks but don't want to admit it. (John says "leftover kids from the industrial days") >Maybe it's just a function of the East Coast, maybe it's just a >function of that Brooklyn "oooo, we ahh so HAHHHDKOAHHH" mentality. That's exactly what it is. I'm totally convinced that the HARDCORE thing is solely Brooklyn-based and Brooklyn-promoted. Look at some of the Long Island DJ's -- Dante, Onionz, and Micro. Sure, they'll play hardcore. And they'll play anything else they feel like. I have nothing against hardcore. Sometimes you NEED it. But to exclude all other forms of techno amounts to a form of musical racism. The other day we coined a term, sick of the 100% hardcore thing -- ARTCORE. It doesn't matter if it's 250 bpm with guys screaming in Flemish, it doesn't matter if it's drifty ambient Harold Budd stuff, if it's got art at the heart it's artcore. There's already some artcore DJs out there, Onionz comes specifically to mind, as does our own beloved DJ Jolt. It just has to be creative, not put you to sleep like the 5 hour 4 on the floor thump thump Brooklyn hardcore drone that Storm Rave dishes out (this last sentence courtsey of John, but I agree). Storm Rave itself was wonderful. Some of the hardcore DJs were amazing, especially the terminally insane Lenny D. I'd want him to do the hardcore set of any rave I could imagine. I don't want to dis the Storm Rave organization because they did put on a good party. I just don't adore their musical tastes . . . . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 11:03:12 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Slamming = Cool > > >On Saturday, there were hours at a time where the music wouldn't go below > > >160BPM and would often sustain itself for a good 20 minutes at 190+. > > *Bzzz* Maybe in YOUR brain, Dave, but realistically, there were only > two or three times where the DJs decided to ramp the beats up over the > course of a few minutes. Mostly it centered around 140/145. (There > was that Dutch record by the Euromasters that basically was thrash > techno, but they only played that twice, and I think most people just > kinda stared off into space and gawked at the speakers in disbelief.) Granted, my line of sight was tainted :), but people WERE dancin' to the Euromasters among other high BPM hardcore. > For what attempts to be a very open-minded movement, Techno and raves > (at least on the East Coast) seem to be VERY closed-minded. Attitudes > like "oh my gosh, we can't play that techno record, it's got a GUITAR > in it!!" or "the faster it is, the better" are really starting to > cheese me off. In my short RAVE experience, I've noticed that every rave has a different flavor. THey don't try to make it a secret to anyone. The flyers are pretty descriptive of what you can expect, and if you know the Dj's, you definitely know what to expect. I think that the Rave culture on the east coast still has a bit of growing to do, but I've only been to one rave, so far, (Storm) that only plays ONE kind of music. QUest, Sputnik, and Bold all were very diverse in the music they played. Anyway, I like it all, but I think the original point was about dancing and not slamming to 180+ hardcore. I did it. Others did it. And I am a bigot against slamming at a rave. :) Happy Hardcore at Storm!! dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: zippy@leland.stanford.edu Subject: Unsubscribe please Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 10:08:45 PDT Hi, I'm going to on vacation for a little while. I would appreciate it if you would unsubscribe for the time being. Thanks. Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:23:01 EDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Slamming = Cool From: Matthew Donald Drown > I haven't gotten a chance to hear some of the new stuff, but once people > start "dancing" to 180bpm and better stuff, Techno is getting more like > Electronic Punk. Which you can't dance to, you need to slam. I've never bought this "Techno is the new punk rock" argument at all. But then, to my mind, the best punk rock was made long before any unemployed British people decided to claim credit for it - you know, Question Mark and the Mysterians, the Elevators, real Nuggets/Pebbles stuff. The best Techno is infused with true punk rock spirit, which to my mind is simply the do-it-yourself-who-the-hell-cares? spirit of all the best "underground" music. To that degree, the really cool, sometimes primitive-sounding Techno is absolutely punk rock, but once it gets too polished and slick and formulaic, forget it. Look how quickly the latter-day punk rock movement in England degenerated into some of the absolute worst excesses in recent musical history (Cure, Smiths et al). Which brings me to my next oint, this whole slam-dancing thing. While I agree that people who insist on slam-dancing to EVERYTHING (did anyone catch the LUNA show on the Boston Eslanade recently? Mellow, dreamy, third Velvets album-esque stuff, but the kids was slammin', damn them) are annoying. But I think that it occasionally has its place, within the context of harder stuff. Ever since the er, hardcore (in the sense of say, early to mid eighties) scene died, these ppoor slammers have nothing to slam to. I mean, why not have lots of different types of dancing? Even at the inappropriate shows for slamming, most slammers are still pretty polite. Heck, these kids just want an excuse to touch each other, and isn't that part of the rave mentality? Of course in my ideal rave model there'd be so many more different types of music that you could have slammin' songs, slow songs, trancey songs, whatever. - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 13:33 EDT From: jiodice@telesciences.com (John B Iodice) Subject: please unsubscribe me It's not that I'm not interested, it's just that there's so much stuff. And I can read alt.rave anyway. It's really just the announcements of upcoming raves that I wanted to get. I hope those will show up in alt.rave. By the way, if any human reads this and cares, I agree with the one person in the thread about moshing who realizes that moshing is not a violent thing, and is really very pleasant and non-macho if the people in the pit know what's up. If this is read only by a machine -- do good work! Love, John Iodice [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23-SEP-1992 13:56:11.82 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Belated Stuerm Rave Report okay... after getting directions thru email from Laura, myself, my brother Kurt and two friends from Wesleyan set off from Hartford CT off to Brooklyn... arrived at Groove about 9.30 got our tickets. they weren't releasing the map point till 10 so that gave us time to kill... one friend Malcolm comes from Manhattan so we decided to take the subway to his place. On the way we decided it would take too long to get to Malcolm's place at Central Park North so we stopped in Soho and walked over to Liquid Sky with teh intention of getting the directions, also figuring that there was a shuttle there to the rave just like there was from Groove.. but it was closed. we certainly weren't the only people who expected the place to be open; almost immediately we ran into a pack of south New Jersey- Philadelphia ravers who had just ridden the train in from Hoboken. they needed to get to Groove so we offered to show them the way while walking to the subway stop a woman about 40 years old who looked like a flower child said to us, "Wait... you guys are ravers aren't you? Are you going to Storm Rave? I can give 3 or 4 of you a lift..." because we already had our tickets, me and my tribe went off with her and gave directions to the Philly ravers to Groove (they eventually got into the rave at 2.30). Turned out this lady was one of the two people doing the mind machine exhibit at Storm Rave. we helped her pack and on the way there she asked us what we thought about the scene, wether it was more about the music or the drugs--she thought the dancing and the music was extremely violent, and that acid should only be used for more mind-expansion like in the creative fields, but we came to the conclusion that it was definitely the music that initially attracted people to raves, even if later it turned to drugs. at least none of us have ever done e or acid after almost a year of liking techno.. we got there. the place was a trucking/loading dock in Queens just off the LIE, at 56th and M? Avenue (all i remember is that street started with an M). there was atremendouslinestrechedallthewayalongthefencelikeso, this being about midnight. because we helped the lady and the guy bring the stuff in, we got to cut the WHOLE LINE. we were probably the first ones in. Strange how some things work out, huh? At this time it was very uncrowded. We had time to mill around. Met up with Mello Mello and talked to him alittle while (we had met him at his old John Fluevog job on Newbury St. a week before he moved to the City)... Moby was there. he had a Rising High tshirt on... my brother caught up with him and talked to him a little. he was there looking for some friends but apparently they weren't available. I didn't see him later on so he must have left early. They were selling some interesting t-shirts at the concession stand... bought a nice ravey hat for $18 dollars... my second choice actually because I originally had my eye on some DOPEass multi-color deal but just as I was about to reach for it some guy from nowhere grabbed it up and says to the vendor, "How Much?" #$#^!^&^.. THE DJING. the very first dj they had in there was very interesting. he wasn't mixing very well but definitely an Aphex Twin fan; within ten minutes he had played 3/4 of the Xylem Tube EP and "Digeridoo" i must note here that i realize a lot of people were annoyed at the endless hardcore selection, but for some reason that night I would have killed them if they had played anything else... i was completely attuned to the music. Adam X was fun... little Mr. Headbanger hairdanced to every song he put on... I can't remember which dj it was cuz I was dancing* at that point, but somebody got a little too microphone happy. Examples... "YO YO YO YO MAKE SOME MUTHAFUCKIN NOIZE STORM RAVE LET ME HEAR YOU SCREAM BROOKLYN IN DA HOOOOOUUUUUSSEE YO YO YO HARDCORE YOU KNOW THA MUTHAFUKKIN SCORE..." Frankie Bones and others dj'd okay but not exceptionally. in fact i think their mixer or earphones must've been subgrade because there was a lot of "almost but not quite" beat matching and segues. THE DANCING. at first there was almost none, that is until nearly quarter to 1. there were only several people standing around before then. I got sick of it and just started crazy out raving and maybe that was the spark cuz i look up two songs later and the floor is starting to crowd. i kept it up until 2, and this was the best dancing of the night for me. I came back near 3 and kept going at odd times until 6, but the floor was just *TOO CROWDED*. I mean it made the Limelight on Friday nights with all those tourists look like a desert in contrast... there was no room to move your feet and you could move your arms as long as people weren't brushing by you, but for some reason my position always turned into the crossroads of the crowd (as in "I can see you dancing but im gonna bump your arms into your face to get by you anyway")... and of course there was the moshing I must say that the storm rave people were definitely at fault because they brought in a barrel of Bud to sell to the drunk assholes, and also for the design of the warehouse. the problem with the dock was that all the speaker stacks were located at one end and in the center was a great cement office block or whatever, with the dj set up off to its side. this effectively reduced the dance space to half the warehouse, creating the crowding problem. And once you throw drunks into there, well... bumping into people is inevitable, but for these guys it was a provocation so soon a mosh pit was circulating through the crowd. they were seriously problemmatic cuz every time you found yourself at the edge of the pit you had to shove the assholes back in or else they'd fly out and strike you. This ended the better part of the night. We left at 6 am and took the van back to Groove... the fucker who was driving it told us as we were about to enter "Okay that'll be three bucks each" I'm almost certain he was gyping us but what can you do? there were no subways in that part of Queens... di this happen to anyone else? AN ASIDE: at 2.00 AM or so I was looking through the fence for my friend PJ and his crew... I saw Jim (Jughead) who I had met the same day I met Mello in Boston at Tower Records, when he was working. He had two friends with him, John who was in a techno band and a girl who said "Hey, Damato's got that shirt" (or something like that) in refernce to the tshirt I bought over the .net from Damian in Pittsburgh (the "React-M&M" shirt). Jim introduced me as "Hey! It's the Moses on Acid guy!" Although it was actually my good friend JC whom I was with when I met him who is in MOA, but... my main point in repeating is this is because we had meant to get together at 2 am at the dj booth (NERavers that is) but after reading Laura's report, I realize that that was her that I had met! So I met an neraver without even realizing it... but was that John Adams who was with her? Maybe you two can fill me in? Okay but this report was too goddamn long but in conclusion... Storm Rave's music was good. Storm Rave's atmosphere was initially good but got bad, and getting scammed is never a nice way to leave an event. The location should have been chosen more carefully. Overall I suppose it wasn't worth heading into NYC and paying $15 a ticket and $6 in tolls... I could've lived without it. Let's hope the next one is done a lot better in the physical end, and they don't sell beer. y [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Slamming = Cool Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 12:23:32 MDT > Ever since the er, > hardcore (in the sense of say, early to mid eighties) scene died, > these ppoor slammers have nothing to slam to. Oh come on. Are you telling me that you can't slam to grunge? Can't slam to industrial? The mosh and the slam are closely related. Sometimes I wish people would distinguish them, because moshing is a lot safer. I certainly wasn't doing my usual rave boogie woogie at the FLA show here. The guy who usually runs lights at our raves jumped off the balcony and whammed for all he was worth. However, at the raves nobody slam dances. Slam dancing in unappropriate places is something that has always pissed me off. Why were people slamming to Psychedelic Furs when earlier in the week about 30 people show up for Husker Du? Raves aren't aggressive. If a pit formed while I was DJing, I'd throw on the syrupiest disco-diva house available, or just plain stop the music. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 15:54:53 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: Slamming = Cool Pete writes: > was worth. However, at the raves nobody slam dances. Slam dancing in > unappropriate places is something that has always pissed me off. Why were [applause] Exactly. Slam dancing at a rave?!? Pretty damn inappropriate considering what the rave culture is supposed to stand for, regardless of the speed of the techno played. Just respect the people around you and groove. %) > Raves aren't aggressive. If a pit formed while I was > DJing, I'd throw on the syrupiest disco-diva house available, or just plain > stop the music. [more applause] I like ALL of the different types of music played at rave events. From the housy stuff to acid to the most aggresive hardcore. IMHO, the music can be aggresive at a rave, but it doesn't mean the people have to be. Peace and Hardcore come together like a STORM. :) dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 23 Sep 1992 16:29:36 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: slam talk dave said it. dance how you want, just respekt those around you. if someone is being botheredby your slamming, then move somewhere else. aggression is not in the rave mentality, but then neither is any kind of censorship, and that inkludes how one wishes to dance. just keep others in mind 'cos they're out to have fun too. not be slammed upon. beatthieves of the world unite. >> taylor 808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: Re: Belated Stuerm Report Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 20:12:21 EDT hey i like the idea of dinner before sputnik too, as long as we can have cappucino's as good as the ones we had before storm *grin* so lets do it!!! b e c c a [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: NE-RAVES hookup at Quest Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 23:42:56 -0400 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Are there any plans for an ne-raves get together at Quest? If so, let me know! If not, let's decide on one... Looking forward to Friday, -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 10:03:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: quest so do people want to try to meet somehow, if any of you are going? wear a red carnation in your lapel :) mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- No statement made in a signature file is ever correct. Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 24 Sep 1992 12:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: NASA RAVE is anyone going to the nasa rave on friday, or is the quest rave stealing everyone away? if so, let me know. "the matrix blurred backward; they plunged down a twilit shaft... 'jack out,' the flatline said." >> taylor 808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 15:40:58 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: That high BPM thang Just for the record, Jim Barnes (Jughead) was over my place last night to spin some of his new stuff, one of which was that Dutch hardcore track by the Euromasters. The track listing on the sleeve put the BPM at 250. That's right, 250BPM. This is the stuff that the hardcore Storm ravers we raving to at 7:30 last Sunday morning. At that point, all of the drunk slamming locals had left and there wasn't a slammer in the house. Aww yeah... So, the ne-raves organizing for Quest is falling apart again. :( An idea. I notice alot of people wearing stickers on their shirts at raves. Is there a particular type/kind that we (ne-raves) could all manage to get a hold of and wear in a certain place on our shirts. Star Trek stickers? Cat in the Hat stickers? Something short of name tags or tee-shirts that would identify us without having to 'meet' at a CERTAIN spot at a CERTAIN time. What do y'all think?? Hardcore and peace, yo dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: Re: That high BPM thang Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 15:54:27 EDT awwww.... no nametags dave??? i was hoping we would all wear big signs saying "hi, my login name is ..." *evil grin* i have no clever ideas today, so someone else will just have to think of something... b e c c a p.s. so, who all is coming anyway? just in case no one comes up with anything, i don't know what i will be wearing as of yet, but if you do locate a 5'8" girl with faded pinkish hair and a black&white houndstooth fresh jive cap, that will be me!!!! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 16:05:33 -0400 Subject: Hey there! thoughts on rave agression: I don't think that slamming or whatever belongs in the rave scene. I am not saying that you shouldn't slam to techno music, but if you do, not at a rave. It kinda defeats the whole 'lovepeaceunity' theme. music: from what I've seen, all that gets played here (in DC) is like 20% normal techno (fun and happy stuff to dance to IMHO) and then there is like 80% hardcore. I wish that around here they would play lighter stuff, not because I dislike the hardcore, it's just that the BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM @140+ bpms gets so redundant after a while. And it's not the speed that bothers me, I've heard some really fast, yet 'light' music played... that was wonderful. raves: is anyone going to be at raves 'r' us from the mailing list (who doesn't life around here (DC)...maybe we can meet... Gil "digital druid" cyberpun(k) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 16:13:31 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: That high BPM thang > awwww.... > > no nametags dave??? > > i was hoping we would all wear big signs saying > > "hi, my login name is ..." > > *evil grin* Smart ass :) Ok, here it is... I've got enough Star Trek stickers to cover 36 ne-ravers. Will that many go to Quest? I hope so, but I doubt it. Anyway, I'll be sporting one or two of 'em on my white shirt with a smiling Elroy Jetson looking kid on it. I'm 6' tall, blond... Look for me, I'll slap an official ne-ravers Quest Star Trek sticker on you. This will give us enough time to identify and recognize each other before we rave the stickers off. :) Sounds like the best plan so far. I sure do welcome any other ideas.. See y'all there! Hardcore and peace. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 16:35:06 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: That high BPM thang > I still have a bunch of the "Ecstasy" Pepsi stickers I got at an after- > hours a week or so ago. We could also just have a sign taped up > somewhere that says "NE-RAVES" and have someone hang out there. At this late point in the game, we really need to stick with one sticker, otherwise, we'll be going up to everyone with any sticker on and asking, "Hey, are you an ne-raver?". Joe, if you have 20+ of those ecstasy stickers, that might be a good idea, but we need a) ONE type of sticker b) ONE identifiable person to give them out ;) If there aren't any other ideas, I'll still be handing out Trek stickers to anybody who comes up to me. :) A sign? Nah, we're not that organized. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 16:43:36 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: QUEST! Oops. Let's try to send this mail message again... ------- Unsent message follows ------- Received: from cvbnet.Prime.COM by Relay.Prime.COM; 24 Sep 92 16:44:42 EST Received: from feds47.Prime.COM by cvbnet.Prime.COM (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA02903; Thu, 24 Sep 92 16:40:10 EST Received: by feds47.Prime.COM (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA29027; Thu, 24 Sep 92 16:39:36 EDT Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 16:39:36 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Message-Id: <9209242039.AA29027@feds47.Prime.COM> To: ne-ravess@silver.lcs.mit.edu Subject: QUEST! Hi all! I'll be there... My first rave... Whatever shall I wear?!?! Hmmm... For cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (it slices, it dices, it even makes juliennes): I may have room in my car. My friends and I will be making a stop in Belmont, MA, then to another house on the South Shore before finally being Quest-bound. Let me know if I could be of any help. I'm looking forward to meeting ne-ravers... CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 13:56:31 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: buy this 12" Talk seem to be a little slow, so I'll just plug this new 12" that my housemates and I are releasing. Here's the pertinent ordering info... Artist: The Ultraviolet Catastrophe Title: "The Trip" b/w "Trip Harder" Label: Twitch Records Cat #: TW-EP-01 Record stores can order it through Watts Records or Unique Records. Go to your favorite 12" store and have them order it now. Brief summary -- A-side: "The Trip" (125 bpm). Warm bubbly analog synth bass sounds with vocal samples from Dead Can Dance and a jazzy synth solo halfway through the song. The end gets pretty funky when we add a drum loop that we stole from Die Warzau (the first four beats from "Crack Radio"). B-side: "Trip Harder" (125 bpm). This was originally intended to be a remix of "The Trip", but it ended up being a completely new song. (Actually, it's more like three two-minute songs all jammed together.) This track has been getting lots of airplay from all the big-name San Francisco rave DJs. Quick run-through: loooong intro that can be mixed over just about anything, consisting of 6 32-beat phrases, all based on the Die Warzau "Crack Radio" drum loop. Then the drum loop goes away and is replaced by a more tribal sounding rhythm, and there's a sample of Alice in Wonderland saying "My, what a peculiar place for a party" (hence the picture of Alice in Wonderland on the record label), and then there are some tribal chants from an African tribal chant record. Then the beat changes again and it's time for my housemate's 64-measure timbale solo. After the solo is when we hear the first synth note in this mix (after being in the song for a good 2 minutes already), it sounds like your typical acid house noodling, playing an analog synth bass line and an "ahhh sample" that has this pure tonal quality to it (hard to describe in text). Eventually, the "ah" sample is being played on every beat fairly loudly, and the rest of the instrumentation gradually drops away until all that's left is "ah ah ah ah" for what seems like forever, but it's only for four bars. Then, we bring another drum loop from Die Warzau, and it is loud and noisy like old Meat Beat Manifesto, and the "ah"s are still going strong. Eventually the "ah"s drop out and the beat keeps going. Then we bring in the Dead Can Dance sample from the A-side for four bars. Then we let the beat go on for a nice long outro. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 19:31:32 -0400 From: freeman-eric@CS.YALE.EDU (Eric Freeman) Subject: Hi, I'm going Hi, I'm new to the list but I think myself and two other people from Yale will be going to Quest. Eric freeman-eric@cs.yale.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 20:12:09 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: NE-RAVES hookup at Quest Alright, let's do it, but we need to figure out where the hell Quest is meeting up first... I'm going and I don't even know where I'm going. Who's going? -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 20:18:59 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: That high BPM thang get the big ol' happy-face stickers.... either that, or at the DJ booth at 3:00 AM, got it? -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 20:40:06 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Hellos! I just added a slew of new people, sorry to take so long , but we've been at Storm!, and I've been in New Jersey. So, Hello to: 00080945@ysub.ysu.edu alexees@wam.umd.edu alw@brahms.udel.edu bb2j+@andrew.cmu.edu bytehead@bluemoon.use.com epr0@Lehigh.edu hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu ke0w+@andrew.cmu.edu MAB195@psuvm.psu.edu salsbury@ascu.buffalo.edu sk479a@american.edu tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu And if you get multiple copies of rave-o-matic, we're sorry. Bezerkely mail is on acid, like its students. -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: where are we from Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 21:28:09 EDT hey, just out of pure curiosity: i am convinced there are very few ravers west of boston (or actually 495) so, i am wondering, is anyone out there anywhere near the lovely city of worcester??? it gets kinda lonely out here *grin* b e c c a the curious one [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 23:05:18 EST Subject: Re: That high BPM thang you guys are crazy whack funky! well, i'll be at quest. some of you know me. for those that don't, i'll be wearing a (bicycle) reflector around my neck (orange). (anybody got red, green, blue i can borrow? :)) re BPMs. i've never heard anything over 180. i hope they play the 200+ stuff at quest. i'm curious! see ya there! donato (rave:-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 09:13:02 EDT From: conway@cipr-server.MGH.Harvard.Edu (Kevin Conway) Subject: quest I'm going to Quest and I intend to get tickets on the night. However I don't know Providence. Is Thayer St. in Downtown Providence or thereabouts and what constitutes a "rave vehicle" ? kac --- * --- conway@cipr-server.harvard.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 12:21 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: quest The "Rave Vehicle" last time I looked was a black Ford Bronco with rave flyers tacked to the windshield and a big neon orange cardboard sign on it that said "Rave Vehicle." It's not hard to miss, just park on Thayer and walk around. Thayer street is very near Brown. I found it by looking for Brown on a map, guessing what exit to get off of, and following signs to Brown until I found a gas station. I don't remember exactly how I got there . . . sorry. But it went something like this: get off 95 south and get on that 195 thing that heads east from Providence. Get off the second exit on that 195 thing and look around for Brown. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 13:17:18 EDT From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Meeting before Sputnik b e c c a wrote: > i like the idea of dinner before sputnik too, as long as we can have > cappucino's as good as the ones we had before storm *grin* Bleecker St. in the Village has all sorts of great coffee houses and restaurants, but the logistics of meeting in Manhattan might be a bit sticky. Where to meet also kind of depends on where tickets for Sputnik are being sold. (I could call now to find out where, but I don't have the flyer here.) Y'all have fun at Quest; I wish I could make it. -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: quest Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 14:13:43 -0400 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Last time the rave van was a mini-van...not really a van, but a van nonetheless. Anyways, I'll be wearing green, knee length pants that are shreaded at the bottom (I call 'em my pirate pants). I'll also have a soft black and blue hat with the top cut off--kinda like a witch hat--but cut off about half way. Don't know what else I'll be wearing--but come up and say hi if you recognize me... -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: ne-raves hook up at quest... Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 15:50:42 -0400 From: jshiple@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Oh yeah, with the green pants and witchy hat i'll be wearing a KNEE BRACE (which i've been wearing for the past year and a half--it's blue and so look for me--that's the real tell tale sign--how many ravers have a knee brace? -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 25-SEP-1992 14:48:06.84 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: The Quest is Coming... Just to let you know: I have SEEN the warehouse where Quest is being held. It is just off of the Rt. 6 highway in west Providence. It looks BIG. Plenty of parking too. This is all because I went to Thayer St. yesterday to get the ticket purchase out of the way and my friend Mark met one of the people putting it on, Tim. The directions weren't suppossed to be released till today. I have to say, if you still need to get tickets, I pity you. The reason we went yesterday even though Providence is hour 15 min. from Hartford is because finding your way around is hell. We were lucky though. We got off the highway and just sort of drove straight for a long time. Passed Thayer completely by chance. We figured better to get the ticket purchase out of the way first. It looks like this might compare to Steurm Rave. AM I LYING? No. It looks to be a GOOD location. BTW, since I already know what Becca and John look like, I suppose I'll look out for you guys. I'll definitely keep my eyes open for all the sticker men. I will either be wearing my big white Sjobeck tee or the React shirt, because that one was bought from Damian on the net and it would be an obvious clue to anyone else who bought one. Spiral City Vibe Tribe, YOYOYOYO HAR'FORD'S IN DA HOOOOOUUUSE... --Kreig kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: frans@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rebecca Kathleen Frans) Subject: tonite quest Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 17:04:41 EDT hey as the time approaches, i still dont know what i will be wearing... but i just picked up this great cheezy hat...either me or one of my friends will be wearing it...its green and white checked derby...look for that or my b/w houndstooth fresh jive, and that will be either me or a freind who can point me out!!! hope we all meet love ya b e c c a [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 16:44:50 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: need intimate knowledge of rave music Well, for intimate knowledge of rave music, it's like anything else,. you've gotta play the game. you gotta RAVE! Get to know all the different styles, buy an old analong synth,buy a TR-909, a sampler if you've got the cash. go low-tech all the way and pay the studio for the extras. Dance music isn't pop music. It has a half-life shorter than polysorbate-80 (commonly known as twinkie isotopes. two weeks.) You have to make the tunes if you have an idea and get it down on wax FAST. Go to a couple raves. get up and motivate yourself if you want to have an idea of what's popular. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 26 Sep 1992 17:46:39 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: sputnik ii last night at nasa (which was excellent! 808 state showed up!) i got a hold of detailed direcktions to the sputnik rave on the 17th. many of you probaby got the same at quest..yes? well, if not, let me know and i can post directionsand other info. it's in wayne new jersey and looks like it's gonna be BIG! i think a nyc meeting before hand would be very cool. maybe we can meet some- where (dinner, like someone (becca?) suggested) and then all hop on one of the shuttle buses..maybe? hope you all had fun at quest. wish i could have gone..i hope we can work something out to meet for sputnik. dream. >> taylor 808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:02:19 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: getting it down on wax... ok, well suppose you DO have an idea and you've recorded it on tape- how do you go about getting yourself signed or getting put down on wax? (i mean, how many djs would play a song from a tape at a rave?!) also, could the person that said they had detailed directions to sputnik ii post them here? all meeting somewhere first WOULD be a cool idea... thanks, e va n "at 8 o'clock i took 60 mcg (0.06 milligrams) of lsd. some 20 minutes later, the first symptoms appeared...a certain euporia then set in...the ataxia increased, and i went 'sailing' around the room with large strides...afterward the room was darkened, there followed an unprecedented experience of unimaginable intensity...it was characterized by an unbelievable profusion of optical hallucinations... i felt myself one with all romanticists and dreamers, thought of e.t.a. hoffmann, saw the maelstrom of poe...often i seemed to stand at the pinnacle of artistic experience...during the second experiment i observed that random noises...provoked simultaneous changes in the optical impressions..."- w.a. stoll (psychiatrist) documents his lsd self-experiment [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 26 Sep 1992 21:24:35 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: sputnik II directions to evan and all other's who want directions to sputnik, here they are! as quoted from the big blue passes: >>from points north: take garden state parkway to route 46 west, exit 154 and follow directions below. >>from points south: take garden state parkway to route 3 west, exit 153 and follow directions below. >>from lincoln tunnel take 3 west for 11 miles past garden state parkway. look for a left exit to route 46. take 46 for 3 miles just past toys r us to riverview drive/wayne exit. follow signs to wayne by taking a left and immedi- ate right on to riverview drive. go 3 lights (1.5 miles) to valley rd. right on valley rd. go 4 lights (3 miles) just before 5th light (hamburg tnkpke) is Ramapo shopping center. SPUTNIK II is at 'skaters world' roller rink. (valley road and hamburg turnpinke, wayne NJ). that's that! i hope they make sense! for all of you coming from the north or from nyc (like myself) we *must* meet in ny. that would be very cool. i myself live in nyc and could help arrange something. there's also shuttle buses and ticket info which i will post in a separate message. 'hope this was a help! leave your body, leave your mind. >>taylor808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 26 Sep 1992 21:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: sputnik bus info ok..here's the bus stuff.. again, as quoted from the pass: manhattan shuttle info: 212 465 3299 brooklyn: heather at 718 646 8077 or dennis at 212 629 2061 long island: beep eddie @ 516 435 2560 or liz @ 516 968 8342 boston: 617 266 1987 philly: 215 592 8481 poughkeepsie: bill @ 914 297 4930 providence: 401 766 5334 baltimore/dc: lg @ 310 235 1131 NJ: michelle and chrissy @ 908 727 6527 clevland: 216 892 3373 again, like i mentioned.. it would be fun to have some us meet in manhatten and then take a shuttle bus... i have no idea how much they are though..if that doesn't work out i might need a ride!?!?! see ya! hacking- >>taylor808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 26 Sep 1992 21:37:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: sputnik ii ticket info ok, here's the last of the info: TICKETS: on sale now. liquid sky, nyc. 212 431 5369 vinly mania, nyc. 212 463 7120 plante x, new brunswick, nj. 9082490304 rhino records, new paltz. 9142550230 music now, DC 2026383272 ameobahead, providence. 4017662334 mindwarp, boston. 6172661987 advance tickets are $13 now and $15 on the 17th. (the day of the rave). GENERAL SPUTNIK INFO::::: 212 465 3299 doors at 12 am. that's it! we gotta do some sort of ne-rave meeting thing there. fortunately we've got enough time to figure something out. hey, how was quest? beatthieves of the world unite. >>taylor808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 12:05:01 -0400 From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) Subject: Hey there! Well, I made it to my first rave, Quest, at the near-fossilized age of 26. Great fun! It was even less trendoid-poseur dominated than I thought, and the occasional "look at me, I'm dancing" Club MTV wannabes seemed more laughable than anything. They also tended to last about 20 minutes while the Bug-Man (my name for the gent in glowing deelyboppers) and other ravers just kept dancing away. This really impressed me. People weren't discouraged from posing, but it seemed far more narcisistic in that crowd than it does even in a normal club setting. Wonderful. The absence of alcohol was also welcome - anyone who seemed to have a beer (and I doubt I saw more than one) seemed to be drinking it for thirst or flavor rather than for drunkeness. It was just really sweet to be surrounded by hundreds of people of every shape, size and description not particularly caring to judge anyone else or fear being judged. It reminded me of nothing so much as a good science fiction convention or a Shonen Knife concert - the sweet goofiness of it was infectious. Happily, nothing about it even remotely suggested a "cyberpunk" feel, whatever that might be. It was too primitive for that, thank god. It was as if Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney had said "Let's have a rave!" instead of "let's put on a show!". It took me a while to get into the swing of things. For a while, I was sullen about a personal problem unrelated to the rave, and the deejays were playing mostly hardcore stuff, but by 2 or 3, with the aid of some minor chemical alteration and more trancey music, I was able to appreciate everything much more. Favorite images - The "bug man". Emerging from a foggy haze to see this character strutting away filled me with joy. The dusky woman with a bandana on her head doing a more sensual version of the herky-jerky rave dance - not narcisistic, but not devoid of sexuality either. The fellow covered in glitter sinuously moving through the crowd. Various people in dark areas dancing with small flashlights or cyalume sticks - an obvious trick, but effective. The forty-something couple, in colorful clothes, who seemed no more out of place than anyone else. Yes folks, it really is everything it's cracked up to be. I suppose the people selling "official" rave wear was a bit of a potential bummer, but hey...It really did feel more like what I imagine a Grateful Dead show is like than a night at a dance club. I didn't make a point of identifying myself as an NE-Raver, but for the record, I was the sort of sullen-looking chap with long hair and plaid wool jacket who didn't really dance much. But I had a great time. Ultimately, "Rave" is a good name for it - half the people there looked like Buddy Holly :-) - Dan ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Dan Parmenter |"Everybody don't like something and we all | | dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu | don't like you" - Richard Thompson | ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:13:58 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: "vagabond" rave... i called up the number listed for vagabond raves in philly (2155928481) and it was this cheesy recording for a club called cafe zero that i've heard of before-- however, it made no mention of any raves, only a poetry reading or something sept. 28 and "monday night football".... crazy weirdness, e va n "at 8 o'clock i took 60 mcg (0.06 milligrams) of lsd. some 20 minutes later, the first symptoms appeared...a certain euporia then set in...the ataxia increased, and i went 'sailing' around the room with large strides...afterward the room was darkened, there followed an unprecedented experience of unimaginable intensity...it was characterized by an unbelievable profusion of optical hallucinations... i felt myself one with all romanticists and dreamers, thought of e.t.a. hoffmann, saw the maelstrom of poe...often i seemed to stand at the pinnacle of artistic experience...during the second experiment i observed that random noises...provoked simultaneous changes in the optical impressions..."- w.a. stoll (psychiatrist) documents his lsd self-experiment [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:37 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: sputnik ii Wayne New Jersey is VERY close to where I live. In fact, I'd say it's about a 15 / 20 minute drive. So, meeting in Hoboken (where I live and where we all met before Storm) or New York City would be wonderful. Could you please mail me the directions? And where can I get advanced tickets? Laura laura@usl.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:43 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: "vagabond" rave... Evan said: >i called up the number listed for vagabond raves in philly (2155928481) and it >was this cheesy recording for a club called cafe zero that i've heard of >before-- however, it made no mention of any raves, only a poetry reading or >something sept. 28 and "monday night football".... All I know about Vagabond is that it is a roving party put on by the Philly Rave Crowd. They hold it in different places on different nights, and they're keeping things low-level, underground. Dig around and you may find them. Raves are not necessarily handed to you on a silver platter you know. Try some South Street record stores, and Blaxx or Zipperhead (is that still there???) for flyers. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Quest Report Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 10:09:53 MDT > Who cleans up after these things? After > both Storms, I observed that the trash cans had been ignored and the > ground was carpeted with flyers, paper, food, beer cans, trash, etc, > etc, etc. For all the peace-love-happy-unity vibe you see at raves, > ravers are pretty damned messy people. Is this a contradiction or > what? This is sad. We have always had people hang around after the rave to help clean up, even without us asking them. Generally, people will try and use the trashcans and won't intentionally make a mess. When I was DJing a rave here on top of a mountain, I brought a couple of garbage bags to cover stuff with in case of rain. Someone came up to me a couple hours after it started and asked if I had any garbage bags. I gave him one and everyone put all their bottles and trash in it through the night. It took about 5 minutes to clean the area after it was over. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:43:58 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: getting it down on wax... You'd take your song, and put it on DAT. Then you'd go and bring the DAT master tape (or mail it) to a mastering house, that would process and EQ your song for vinyl. This process is a step in creating the metal stamping master for your vinyl. depending on the length of the song, you might pay $75 to $300 for the EQ/mastering stage. Funny things like having the song track from the center out or strange record shapes cost more. Your master is then sent from the mastering house to a pressing plant. at the pressing plant, the metal master is used to stamp out records. This is when you select things like record color, etc... the pressing plant is also the place where graphics / labels are applied to the records, so you'd send them your artwork too, otherwise you'll end up with a white label. The entire process, for 500 records would cost you approx. $750 Figure $1000 in your budget, though. some places will charge you more. Keep in mind when you're pressing vinyl, that you've got to get your vinyl once you've had it pressed, and consider the shipping charges on 500 records... it's pretty expensive... pick a pressing plant that's near your house, something you can go to and pick up. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:34 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: testing? John's account just went mysteiously blotto. This is a test. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 15:36:50 -0400 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: looking for writers I'm in the process of establishing a small, irregular e-mail journal on techno, rave, and industrial music & culture. I'd like to locate a few people scattered around the country who would be willing to contribute a) reviews of recent techno/ rave/industrial CD's; b)write-ups on local raves/the rave scene in your area; and 3) theoretical articles on the interactions between techno/rave/industrial music & dance and postmodern culture in general (e.g., cybernetics, sci- fi, technology and social power, etc. I have about 5 people who have expressed interest to date (located via alt.rave and the sfraves list); I just heard about the ne-rave list, and though that it would be worth re-posting this note here. Thanks, Russell Potter (rapotter@colby.edu) > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=- > What is Infinite Beat? Absolutely any pattern ov sounds that takes place > between two points in SPACE Genesis P-Orridge, 1990 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:55 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: ne-raves meeting PROPOSAL Okay, I've been talking to a few people on the list and it looks like we're set to have a pre-rave party before SPUTNIK (October 17th near New York City) at my apartment (also near New York City). We're good for sound, DJs, lights, and lasers . . . but if anyone has anything they'd like to organize/contribute/bring let me know (for example, if you can get good snack food cheap at a place like Price Club or better and want to handle that sort of thing . . .) The only thing we really need that I don't have covered is the snack end. Since it's post dinner hour / pre-rave I doubt people will be eating a lot, but it's always nice to have things to munch on. Anything else (like glow in the dark stickers or jewelry or CDs to raffle off or a brainwave attenuator or whatever) is gravy. If you have any ideas get them out here!! Drop me a line . . . as soon as this gets more organized an offical notice will be going out. I will not be collecting RSVPs until the offical notice goes out, this is just a call for help and general head nodding (so someone say "yow, good idea Laura and Taylor"). Stay tuned, Laura & Taylor laura@usl.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:50:12 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (a shelter by the name of ski-head) Subject: Ignore this, it's a test. Thanks. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: blynch@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jonathan Kemble) Subject: Technoir Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:57:52 EDT T E C H N O I R R I O N H C E T Technoir happens this Saturday Oct 3rd in Gompei's Place at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, 100 Institute Rd, Worcester MA $2 cover 9pm-1am (I know, I know, but thats all I can have the hall for) C's vestal bar brought to you by blynch and the prophet Warning: contains industrial strength techno rave - use with caution. May be harmful or fatal if swallowed. Chill before serving. Store in a cool dark place. This is an experiment to see if we can get it to work .. don't expect a full fledged rave, I call it a techno dance. But there will be tunes, lighting, people, a virgin bar and a good atmosphere. And how can you go wrong for $2? Attend, make it successful, and I promise you more the next time .. Pick up flyers at Shakey Jakes on Highland St in Worcester MA - check out the way cool graphics 8^) Any questions comments etc at all email me (blynch@wpi.wpi.edu) Do not write below this line. For office use only. --------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: MICK-E's MAGICAL MINDRAVE the pittsburgh rave scene moves on... ROMAN AROUND'S MICK-E's MAGICAL MINDRAVE Sunday, October 4, 1992 METROPOL all ages..alcohol served with ID journey to Mick-E's Magical Mindrave Admission: $6 Mental Techno Hard Acid HighSpeed Breakbeat 9:00pm PSYONIC TECHNO WIZARDRY: DJ SISSY SPACESUIT STROBE DR. SEUSS DJ LOGISTIC GET LIFTED!!! -------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:43:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Michel Angelo Battaglia Subject: Mick-E's Any ne-ravers going to this are welcome to crash at my place afterward.......email any interest.... Mike mb7z+@andrew.cmu.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:48:17 EST Subject: this is just a test...please ignore. test....... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:59:45 EST Subject: Raves in Cleveland??? Hi, Does anybody knows about (upcoming and alarming) raves to Cleveland? Thankx. TAREQ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:24:57 EDT From: epr0@Lehigh.EDU (t r E E) Subject: metropol rave... the message about the metropol rave on oct 4 was missing a few things like: is there an phone #/info line or how do we get there or where do we buy tickets or any combination thereof of the above.. just a few humble observations from e va n [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Pittsburgh RAVE First the hype as posted locally by a friend of mine: !!EVOLUTION!! A 100% PURE ADRENALINE HARDCORE RAVE Friday Oct 2 CFA Lobby Carnegie Mellon University 10pm - 4am featuring DJ's Techno Terrorists dieselBoy Simon DJ Guile Dr. Seuss *hyperdelic projections *mind pounding 3D sound *retina piercing beams *chill out niches no alcohol, no chemicals For more info call 412-734-8330 SHOW UP...BUST OUT!!! A RECYCLED PRODUCTION. -------------- Now, my comments. I am one of the DJs (Techno Terrorists = Friend and I). We got full use of a campus area that doesn't close at 1am, this was a pain going through administration and security. But it all paid off, don't have to shut down 'til 4am. We are charging $3 per person to get in, and I am hoping to be able to give away soda and chips. If I can't do this, then the stuff will be sold at cost. 3 cans of Coke for $1 or something like this. We are figuring out if we can sell Hyper-Drinks. Not sure, mostly people are woried about the mess if people spill these things. We will have a full light setup and many watts of sound. It will be informal and is run for fun, not for profit. Come on down if you are in the area and what to jam to some cool music, both older housier stuff, but also hardcore and breakbeat (The music the DJs are spinning will change as the night goes on). -Matt Techno Terrorists 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh 8pm-Midnight Fridays (Except for this friday...) The rave at Metropol is a for profit night that the local club is starting up. They are starting an all ages sunday with techno and a rave theme. This is the second one that they will be doing, and ought to be interesting. Hopefully it won't go down hill quickly after that. If you want a phone number, ask for Metropol from Pittsburgh Information (412/555-1212). You can then ask them how to get there. I thinks tickets are at the door only. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:38:55 EDT From: conway@cipr-server.MGH.Harvard.Edu (Kevin Conway) Subject: quest My friends and I found our way to Quest on Friday night and enjoyed ourselves immensely. This was a first for my companions who are already looking forward to their next rave.The night/morning was almost ruined for me when a flying fog/smoke machine( on it's way down from the ceiling) missed my head by inches( I happened to be dancing underneath it). I was slightly paranoid about objects above my head for the next 15 minutes or so but I soon got over it. kac --- * --- conway@cipr-server.harvard.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:45 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue sep 29 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. Huge numbers of upcoming raves and techno happenings . . . Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Thursday, October 1, 1992 TRIPOTRONIC Baltimore (410) - 523 - 1882 1310 Russel St. Featuring DJ Lenny D, Bobble, and Glitch Atomic Vibe Chillout with DJs Wash and Shag ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 2, 1992 E-LLUSION Long Island, NY (516) - 547 - 6137 E-LLUSION at CAFFEINE Friday, October 2 Where rhythm WILL take control with DJs MICRO -- Caffeine's Energizer ONIONZ -- from another planet DEBO -- of the Boston underground only for the hardcore raver! $7 w/pass 832-6 Grand Blvd., Dix Hills, NY, 11729 HOTLINE (516) - 547 - 6137 L.I.E.: Exit 52 South (Commack Rd.) to Grand Blvd. (corner 7-11) make left, 1/2 mile on right. Southern State: Exit 39 Norht (Rt. 231) to Commack Rd. 1 mile make right onto Grand Blvd. (corner 7-11) 1/2 mile on right. By Train: N.Y. Penn Station Ronkonkoma Branch to Deer Park leaving at 8.14, 9.14, 10.14. Returning trains to Penn Station at 1.23 and 3.53. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 2, 1992 THE LOFT Boston (617) - 262 - 2121 r i S E a gathering * The LOFT 21 Association with Armand, MelloMello, BigFunHOUSE, Unit-E & AV8 Records invite you to experience a new vibe. All night long. RISE. Floor 1 -- Deep House / Garage with DJ Craig Rainey Floor 2 -- Trance / Tribal Techno with Mayhem & UK Rave DJ's 333-M GEE Every Friday Opening Friday / 2 October 12 Midnight to 5 am $5 with this invitation or membership card $7 invited guest The LOFT, 21 Stanhope Street, Boston phone 262- 2121 (South e nd next to Bertucci's) Shine ON ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 2, 1992 EVOLUTION Pittsburgh (412) - 734 - 8330 !!EVOLUTION!! A 100% PURE ADRENALINE HARDCORE RAVE Friday Oct 2 CFA Lobby Carnegie Mellon University 10pm - 4am featuring DJ's Techno Terrorists dieselBoy Simon DJ Guile Dr. Seuss *hyperdelic projections *mind pounding 3D sound *retina piercing beams *chill out niches no alcohol, no chemicals For more info call 412-734-8330 SHOW UP...BUST OUT!!! A RECYCLED PRODUCTION. -------------- Now, my comments. [from Matt md3b+@andrew.cmu.edu] I am one of the DJs (Techno Terrorists = Friend and I). We got full use of a campus area that doesn't close at 1am, this was a pain going through administration and security. But it all paid off, do7n't have to shut down 'til 4am. We are charging $3 per person to get in, and I am hoping to be able to give away soda and chips. If I can't do this, then the stuff will be sold at cost. 3 cans of Coke for $1 or something like this. We are figuring out if we can sell Hyper-Drinks. Not sure, mostly people are woried about the mess if people spill these things. We will have a full light setup and many watts of sound. It will be informal and is run for fun, not for profit. Come on down if you are in the area and what to jam to some cool music, both older housier stuff, but also hardcore and breakbeat (The music the DJs are spinning will change as the night goes on). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 3, 1992 RUSH New York City (718) - 236 - 9017 (718) - 382 - 4631 On Saturday October 3rd Experience the Ultimate RUSH your mind, music & future are at stake . . . The first true gathering of NY's Techno Tribes Lord Michael's Future Shock Premier D. SHS Basil Morris Sir Ernest & Chris R. James St. James present RUSH -- Saturday October 3rd Rush is the motivator of desire into reality, reality into dreams, dreams into change. The function of music is to energize, mesmerize the mind, thus rendering it susceptible to divine influences. The Combined Talents Of Frankie Bones (Storm Rave) DJ Mundy (FOD Tribe / Fusion) Keoki (Disco 2000) Dave Trance (Caffeine) Charlie C (NY's youngest rave DJ) Countless watts of earshattering sound Light display too intense for the naked eye Adv. tickets available $12 starting Wed. Sept. 30 / $15 at the door / 11pm - ?? Liquid Sky (482 Broome St. NYC) * Odyssey (6716 18th Ave. Brooklyn) Triple C *2027 Stillwell Ave., Brooklyn) * Music Stop (211-4 86th St. Brooklyn) Rave Info . . . (718) 236 - 9017 ... (718) 382 - 4631 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 3, 1992 ULTRAWORLD EXCURSION Baltimore (410) - 922 - 8050 DJ's Scott Henry -- Adam X -- DJ Sun Chill out with ATOMIC VIBE smart bar Access Code: 410.922.8050 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] U8 X Space Launch Nuclear Kiss Lucid Visuals 18 and Over ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 3, 1992 TECHNOIR Worcester, MA T E C H N O I R R I O N H C E T Technoir happens this Saturday Oct 3rd in Gompei's Place at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, 100 Institute Rd, Worcester MA $2 cover 9pm-1am (I know, I know, but thats all I can have the hall for) C's vestal bar brought to you by blynch and the prophet Warning: contains industrial strength techno rave - use with caution. May be harmful or fatal if swallowed. Chill before serving. Store in a cool dark place. This is an experiment to see if we can get it to work .. don't expect a full fledged rave, I call it a techno dance. But there will be tunes, lighting, people, a virgin bar and a good atmosphere. And how can you go wrong for $2? Attend, make it successful, and I promise you more the next time .. Pick up flyers at Shakey Jakes on Highland St in Worcester MA - check out the way cool graphics 8^) Any questions comments etc at al email me (blynchwwpi.wpi.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 3, 1992 BAR New Haven (203) - 495 - 8924 Raving Saturdays at BAR, 254 Crown St. New Haven CT DJs this week: D.J. Dave the Wave w/ the limelight's friday night future shock D.J. repete Smart Bar [In the past it has been FastBlast and Memory Fuel w/ fruit juice] Cover $5 with invite, otherwise $6 or no cover before 9:30. New Haven bars close at 2am. BAR plays house and techno on Friday nights. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, October 4, 1992 METROPOL Pittsburgh the pittsburgh rave scene moves on... ROMAN AROUND'S MICK-E's MAGICAL MINDRAVE Sunday, October 4, 1992 METROPOL all ages..alcohol served with ID journey to Mick-E's Magical Mindrave Admission: $6 Mental Techno Hard Acid HighSpeed Breakbeat 9:00pm PSYONIC TECHNO WIZARDRY: DJ SISSY SPACESUIT STROBE DR. SEUSS DJ LOGISTIC GET LIFTED!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October, 9, 1992 ORACLE Providence (401) - 621 - 7563 (617) - 266 - 1987 (516) - 264 - 2243 Experience the pulsating forces of the oracle's ultimate RAVE . . . . Oracle Productions w/AmoebaHead Adam X (NY) Sotrm, NY Hard Core General Dave Trance (Long Island) Caffiene, X Cubed, Fluid James Christian (Long Island) Sotrm, Fluid DEBO (Boston) Venus, Quest Otterpop (Providence) Quest, bounce Visuals by Multi-Media Light Show Intelligent Lighting by Glow Worm INFO ~ INFO Prov. 401-621-7563 Boston 617-266-1987 NY 516-264-2243 LIVE TECHNO : DX-13 (Providence) Big Nazo / Solid Lard Dancers Sound & Light Therapy from the between the two worlds mind gym Advanced Tickets $9 at LUNASEA on Thayer Street, Providence, RI $11 day of RAVE on Thayer Street. Look for the RAVE mobile. Get map with tickets. Friday Oct. 9 -- 10pm - 6am -- Legal location in Providence ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 9, 1992 THUNDERGROUND New York/Staten Island (212) - 631 - 1065 (212) - 629 - 2061 The Thunderground -- 10.09.92 -- A New Beginning It all started just over one year ago. A small handful of people, a strobe light, and a vision, which now has become the East Coast rave scene. Now, the people who brought you Storm, invite you to New York's forst and only true Euro-Style techno club. The most important thing will be the music which everyone else here thinks is a trend. Come to rave & come to experience the future. The Storm-Rave Organization Presents The Grand Opening of The THUNDERGROUND Friday, October 9, 1992 Doors Open: 10pm - Dawn 18 to think / 21 to drink 100% legal * 100% underground & 100% pure In the Techno Reactor -------------------- Frankie Bones Adam X Jimmy Crash taking you through a history of pure techno In the Nuclear Chamber ---------------------- Ralphie Dee Micro Onionz playing a mixture of trance, ambiance & techno Mind-dissolving lasers, advanced light show, smart bar, and the most pounding techno sound ever in NYC. Executive producers: Joe Fax, Mr. Hyde, and Dave Lights Your Host With the Most: Dennis the Menace Promo's By: Heather Heather, Chad E. Boy, and L.A. Dave -- There will be shuttle busses -- Call Groove (718) - 714 - 5232 or Beeper (718) - 766 - 5369. Hotlines (212) - 631 - 1065 / (212) 629 - 2061 The Thunderground * 700 Van Duzer * SI, New York * Club Phone (718) 816 - 5323 Ample parking with top security Directions from bridge: Verrazano Bridge onto Staten Island Expressway to Richmod Road Exit. Get off and make a right at first light (Targee St.). Go 1 mile to Broad Street and make a left, 1 block to the Thunderground. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 10, 1992 CRUSADE Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 Follow the Blinding Truth! CRUSADE Automatic Soulcleansing Action Filled to capacity with spiritual freedom. K.C. and the Sunrise Gang, the Divine Creators of May Day Rave and PURE, now lead you to Salvation! 5000 sq. ft. of Celestial Vibrations DJ's M Gee, 333 (London); Overload, Seanne & Mayhem (Boston); Dale Charles (San Diego) Provide Harmonic Convergence Sat 10/10/92 Rave 12 - Dawn $8 / advance * $9 / door Rave tixx aval @ Fast Forward Records (Providence), Allston Beat (Boston), Bad Habits / Zoots (Portland) 21+ prerave party 9.00 - 11.00, last-minute tixx & map @ Zootz 31 Forest Ave. Portland ME, Exit 6A off 295 ambience by A Book Called Galanta atmosphere by Tres-C/brainwave synchronizer goggles by Opulus experience the virtual reality of your mind lights by INTELLABEAM fun bar by SIN-DEE, featuring Earth Girl's Think Drinks and toys for all -- bring "X" trap play money! hats by Big Fun House ravewear by Worship videotrip by Videoport divine inspiration by Jimmi Questions? Comments? Call Crusade Infoline @ 2077736979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17, 1992 SPUTNIK II Wayne, NJ (212) - 465 - 3299 Return To Orbit On October 17th SPUTNIK II New Location Within 20 Miles of NYC . . . TICKETS: on sale now. liquid sky, nyc. 212 431 5369 vinly mania, nyc. 212 463 7120 planet x, new brunswick, nj. 9082490304 rhino records, new paltz. 9142550230 music now, DC 2026383272 ameobahead, providence. 4017662334 mindwarp, boston. 6172661987 advance tickets are $13 now and $15 on the 17th. (the day of the rave). GENERAL SPUTNIK INFO::::: 212 465 3299 doors at 12 am. DIRECTIONS: >>from points North: Garden State Parkway south to exit 154 (Route 46 west), and follow directions below.** >>from points South: Garden State Parkway north to exit 153 (Route 3 west). Take Route 3 to Route 46 west (a left exit) and follow directions below.** >>from Lincoln Tunnel take Route 3 west, passing the Garden State Parkway. Look for a left exit to Route 46.** **Take Route 46 for 3 miles just past Toys 'R' Us to the Riverview Drive/Wayne exit. Follow the signs to Wayne by taking a left and then an immediate right on to Riverview Drive. Go 3 lights (1.5 miles) to Valley Rd. Turn right on Valley Rd. and go 4 lights (3 miles). Just before the 5th light (Hamburg Turnpike) is the Ramapo Shopping Center. SPUTNIK II is at "Skaters World" roller rink, Valley Road and Hamburg Turnpike, Wayne NJ. BUS INFO: manhattan shuttle info: 212 465 3299 brooklyn: heather at 718 646 8077 or dennis at 212 629 2061 long island: beep eddie @ 516 435 2560 or liz @ 516 968 8342 boston: 617 266 1987 philly: 215 592 8481 poughkeepsie: bill @ 914 297 4930 providence: 401 766 5334 baltimore/dc: lg @ 310 235 1131 NJ: michelle and chrissy @ 908 727 6527 cleveland: 216 892 3373 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17 CATASTROPHIC Richmond, VA (703) - 971 - 4555 First underground rave in Richmond. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 BOLD II Worcester, MA Becca says: Worcester is gonna try it again with BOLD II October 23rd ! details will follow in time... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit Journey through the hardcore Live from NYC the return of MOBY Live from England, The US debut of MANIX plus Blake Baxter DJs Kevin Saunderson Richie Rich Darryl Wynn Claude Young Friday Octo 23 Detroit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 Catastrophic presents . . . M A S Q U E R A V E voo doo trance introducing tribal trance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:45 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue sep 29 [SHORT]) T H E R A V E - O - M A T I C I N D E X The short form. Ongoing (Club) Raves (if you have more to add please let me know): Baltimore -- Thurs. Paradox (Orbit -- these are not every week though) Fri. Citrus Club Boston -- Thurs. Venus Fri. Axis The Loft Detroit -- POW! (313) - 433 - 2129 New Haven -- Sat. Bar New York City -- Tues. Limelight (Communion [Techno/Industrial]) Wed. Limelight (DJ Keoki's "Disco 2000") Thurs. Limelight Insomniacs [Queens] Fri. The Shelter (N.A.S.A.) Tilt (Adrenaline) Thunderground [Staten Island] Sun. Chase Bar (Primal) Philadelphia -- Sat. and Mon. Vagabond (215) - 592 - 8481 Pittsburgh -- Sun. Metropol Rochester, NY -- Sat. Heaven (Techno Color) Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Thursday, October 1, 1992 TRIPOTRONIC Baltimore (410) - 523 - 1882 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 2, 1992 E-LLUSION Long Island, NY (516) - 547 - 6137 THE LOFT Boston (617) - 262 - 2121 EVOLUTION Pittsburgh (412) - 734 - 8330 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 3, 1992 RUSH New York City (718) - 236 - 9017 (718) - 382 - 4631 ULTRAWORLD EXCURSION Baltimore (410) - 922 - 8050 TECHNOIR Worcester, MA BAR New Haven (203) - 495 - 8924 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, October 4, 1992 METROPOL Pittsburgh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October, 9, 1992 ORACLE Providence (401) - 621 - 7563 (617) - 266 - 1987 (516) - 264 - 2243 THUNDERGROUND New York/Staten Island (212) - 631 - 1065 (212) - 629 - 2061 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 10, 1992 CRUSADE Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17, 1992 SPUTNIK II Wayne, NJ (212) - 465 - 3299 CATASTROPHIC Richmond, VA (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 BOLD II Worcester, MA JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 11:09:14 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue sep 29 [SHORT]) > Boston -- > Thurs. Venus > Fri. Axis The Loft The Loft will be Boston's only alternative to the club scene for Ravers. This club is supposed to be going until 5, 6, maybe even 7am! It's very likely that Axis will no longer be anything special. I think Debo will still be spinning at Axis, but who cares when you've got Mayhem 'til at least 5am! See you all on Friday. :) Raveon dave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 29 Sep 1992 13:33:41 -0400 (EDT) From: p r u n e Subject: Disturbing Cleveland Rave!? From: IN%"tma@po.cwru.edu" 28-SEP-1992 21:13:52.10 Hi, Does anybody knows about (upcoming and alarming) raves to Cleveland? Thankx. TAREQ Yes, I'm curious about that, myself, particularly the SubGenius Rant 'N Rave II that's supposed to take place @ Smart Bar in Cleveland. I inquired on alt.slack about it, but the bobbies there are completely clueless, in more ways than one. Perhaps you cancall Smart Bar and see if they've got any specifix on it. A friend of mine who went to the 1st one said that Ivan Stang himself thought it was the best SubGenius devival that he'd ever been to. p r u n e RIT Roch. NY, home of Kodak, Jolt Cola, and many other artificial chemical substances. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:53 EDT From: Subject: Re: ne-raves meeting PROPOSAL yo, good idea laura and taylor! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Digital Druid Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:08:10 -0400 Subject: this is catastrophic okay, since no one has appeared to write about raves 'r' us, here's my mini-review of it. We were indtructed by a small piece of paper to go to a parking lot where from there we would be picked up by a bus and transported to our destination. Well, we got there around 10 pm and there were only a few other cars in the parking lot. MOre and more cars began to to trickle in as time went on. Finally around 11pm two coach buses came into the parking lot..they seemed to be escorted by a police car though...everyone was thinking of the worst seeing as we filled up an empty parking lot in the middle of the night...but luckily the cop just sat around, then again we weren't doind anything against the law (yet). Both buses were filled to capacity with standing room only so I imagine that brings it up to about 150-200 people on the first trip and cars wre still arriving in the parking lot. The bus trip took about 15-25 mins but no one really cared about time... The trip ended up in an industrial park that was kinda near houses, so my guess is that they used buses so the cars wouldn't annoy the neighborhood (good idea). There was a cop waiting outside the warehouse but he just sat there and went away...well the bus pulled inside the building and let us off. The warehouse was pretty big...an excellent size for a rave IMHO. the DJs were up on this platform which seemed to be the ceiling of some offices towards the front of the building. under them (in the offices) was the chill-out room (which I didn't get a chance to go to). There were two sets of turntables and DJ equipment for easy DJ transitions. There was also a Helium-Neon Laser and an Argon laser both set up from this platform. There was the standard 4 sets of speakers enclosing about a 50' by 50' area - maybe bigger. There werw 4 towers of 'stage' lights..the kind that look like spots that use gels for coloring. There was about 6 strobes,2 of these machines that do wierd things with moving color and 8 (yes 8!!) intellebeams. two of them cut out early, but still... There was this silk stuff hanging from the ceiling and this really cool painting of some mutant thing and I forget what it said below. In the back was a room with a black light that was like a chill-out room without the music. 2 nitrous tanks (you could hear the hiss every few minutes) and about 3 or 4 smoke machines. Loop has a booth set up selling clothes, and catastrophic was selling some Ts as well, and there was also like a bar selling mostly sodas and juices...not many people bought beer (excellent!) The argon laser they had was stunning...I was in awe at this thing...it was brilliant...it's green and sometimes blue light sent shivers through me, and the patterns that they created about 200 feet away were amazing as well. They really didn't do too much with the helium neon laser but I really doubt anything could compare to the argon laser. (it was funny how they kept the beam about 15+ feet in the air so as not to fry anyone's eyes...) The crowd was pretty cool...mostly just a bunch of happy ravers. I didn't see too many people on E though...it could have been me... Also tedwards@wam.umd.edu and I both had mini-maglights with green gels on them so we were pretty easy to spot... There was a band of sorts, two guys, each on a keyboard. I hadn't heard anything they played before, but they did do a song with the 'happy happy happy joy joy joy' sample in it that got everyone going...they also played some nice ambient stuff too. BIG COMPLAINT: the music...okay the band was cool, and the DJ right after them also played some really hard breakbeat stuff...that was great, but the other DJs played really bad music..IMHO....I mean it was just BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM for about 6 hours. It seemed like they played a bunch of groups that just wanted to show off how many sounds their drum machines have. I want to hear some music in my music...I mean sure I like a hardcore set as much as the next guy, but this is all they played, and seems that's all they play at catastrophic events...oh well. concluding: the attitude and effects of the rave were top notch..one of the best experinces I've had, but the music was very poor. BTW: if anyone is interested in a technopagans rave prayer just e me and ask. peace, love, cybernetic serendipity... Gil "digital druid" cyberpun(k) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:22:02 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (hound of love) Subject: Re: quest Josh (Z-Tran) who does lighting lost about half his lighting system through the night.. people were pulling things down, he had tons of power problems, and I guess they also lost a circuit in the process.. I had similiar problems when I did lighting for Pure! in Portland. Cutter and I had people pulling down our lazers and pulling down cables.. Ravers should really try to respect people's equipment... The equipment is being set up for their entertainment, and it costs us alot of money to keep it running.. Besides Quest and at the Pure rave , I haven't seen too many problems with people damaging equipment. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:17:59 EDT From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: Re: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue sep 29 [SHORT]) What ever happened to that techno club "Boom" that was supposed to open? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:41:26 EDT From: cshin@feds59.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: Quest [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] > Josh (Z-Tran) who does lighting lost about half his lighting system through > the night.. people were pulling things down, he had tons of power problems, and > I guess they also lost a circuit in the process.. This was my first rave, and I had fun, although I couldn't find any fellow ne-ravers... (Actually, I saw one guy with a sign on him as my friend yelled to me, calling him a KNEE-raver!!) Anyways, I was pretty surprised that people tore stuff down and just dumping their trash on the floor... Just my $0.02 worth of a comment... CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:03:10 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (sounds from the big house) Subject: Re: Quest Dunno... We never saw him. We made a sign with paper and a big marker... Dave djm@progress.com Laura laura@usl.com Joe cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu John jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu Dan dan@silver.lcs.mit.edu We were all there.. I also saw Kraig while were wer there (KZIMMERMAN@?????) anyone else go to Quest? --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:16:48 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I couldn't care less about your system call) Subject: Correction. Now I feel like a COMPLETE IDIOT. Laura wasn't there. becca (frans@wpi.wpi.edu) was.... come to think of it, wasn't donato there too? Forgive me, I just got back from the dentist and I'm on a good amount of legal drugs. my apologies. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:36:59 -0400 From: freeman-eric@CS.YALE.EDU (Eric Freeman) Subject: re:quest I was there! I didn't manage to find anyone else on the list. Eric freeman-eric@cs.yale.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (Donato A Miranda) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:58:21 EST Subject: Re: Correction. yes yes, i was there! a great rave it was. i really liked when Onionz (?) played 808 State (one of the Pacific's i think), and then went in to play their new one, "reaper repo": way funky tribal! re: heather heather. ok, so maybe she isn't an excellent DJ, but i enjoyed most of her selection of music it reminded me of some of the stuff they'd play in discos in italy: housy, trancy, fun! see y'all at the next one! (that is, if i can make it! once i move to worc/shrewsbury/and/or/westboro, i'll be going EVERYWHERE) keep it funkin' donato :-) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:12:15 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: harDCore DC has a reputation for hardcore punk rock (Dischord label). It's a shame it's turning into a harDCore techno scene. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 30-SEP-1992 02:50:56.41 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: this is catastrophic Yeah, concerning hardcore... I don't know what it was, but I remember being at the first Quest in July and being boreD Silly by the hardcore they were playing... Crash and X being the main culprits... but now I can't get enough of it. in fact I really think I may be sick of Breakbeat, as strange as that sounds (I just preferred the hardcore sets a lot more at the recent Quest). who knows what it is... maybe you just have to hear the sound enough. or better yet, start buying good hardcore so at least you'll recognize certain things they play and it'll give you something to hang onto... For hardcore: definitely it's Monotraxx Vol. 1 by Unknown Structures I've heard them play this EVERYWHERE... oh BTW nice meeting you guys (John, Becca, Cutter, Camper, Dave...) --Kreig ravinglunatick kzimmerman@eagle.wesleyan.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:42:43 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cool bar -- no television!) Subject: Re: ne-raves meeting PROPOSAL Yo, good idea, Laura and Taylor! Gee, I wonder who will be bringing the lasers and PA... (John, are we gonna try and fit the Wavestation in Dave's car?!?!?!?!) What times are we talking about? I am also looking for a lift down there from someone going LATER than noon or one o'clock -- I have to be down on Cape Cod that day watching my grandmammy get some award, but I'll be back in Boston around 2pm. (Leaving at 2pm means getting to Laura's a little before 6.) /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu \/ Our leaders are only drunk with fear, they wouldn't do this be they sober. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:54:01 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cool bar -- no television!) Subject: Re: quest >The night/morning was almost ruined for me when a flying fog/smoke >machine (on it's way down from the ceiling) missed my head by inches >(I happened to be dancing underneath it). I was slightly paranoid >about objects above my head for the next 15 minutes or so but I soon >got over it. If you saw someone turning it off, picking it up, placing back in its hole, reconnecting the trigger cable, and turning it back on, that was moi. :) I do have to say that the amount of live sound and lighting cables they left exposed and not taped down and otherwise hazardously placed was pretty excessive, and could have easily gotten them a lawsuit. -shrug- Luckily nothing happened, and they did have guys wandering around checking out cables over the course of the evening. What are the legal issues involved if I get hurt at a rave like that? If a liko falls on me because it wasn't bracketed to the lighting pole tight enough, can I sue for medical expenses? /joe -|-|-|-|-|-|/\-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- Joe Turner < > cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu \/ Our leaders are only drunk with fear, they wouldn't do this be they sober. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:09:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Perkowitz Subject: Re: Quest i was there and tried to keep my eyes open, but my vision is bad enough as it is and even worse when i take off my glasses to dance. :( hard to look for star trek stickers or whatever the thing was. next time... mike [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:08:41 EDT From: ebh@mink.mt.att.com (Ed Horch) Subject: Re: ne-raves meeting PROPOSAL > From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cool bar -- no television!) > Gee, I wonder who will be bringing the lasers and PA... I'll be bringing the DJ setup (1200's, mixer, amp and speakers). -Ed [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:18:20 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Re: this is catastrophic Kreig writes words of wisdom: > Yeah, concerning hardcore... > > I don't know what it was, but I remember being at the first Quest in July > and being boreD Silly by the hardcore they were playing... Crash and X being > the main culprits... > > but now I can't get enough of it. in fact I really think I may be sick of > Breakbeat, as strange as that sounds (I just preferred the hardcore sets I agree :) (no shit, eh John?). Breakbeat is interesting, but lacks the certain intensity and energy that Hardcore techno can bring to a rave. I like it ALL equally... the breakbeat, the trance, and especially the old and new acid and the hardcore! Ideally, I'd like to hear all those kinds of techno at a rave, but with an emphasis on hardcore and acid. Like Kreig said, breakbeat can get boring, but the hardcore... brings muthafuckinENERGY! Hardcore and peace. dave. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:25:54 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (cool bar -- no television!) Subject: Re: Quest Correction, it's dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu, not @silver. Being pedantic, /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 07:27:59 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Ne raves mentioned in "Under One Sky" If any of you NE raves people have a chance,check out "Under One Sky" a small magazine about the eastcoast rave scene put out by heather heather of the Brooklyn based "groove posse" (love that name!) I just saw the most recent issue and it turns out that she has used an article I sent her mentioning the ne-raves mailing list (as well as sfraves@soda.berkeley.edu, the san francisco mailing list..) Don't know if you'll get many new ravers onto the list through this article...but it can't hurt! As mentioned on the list before...I think, she is looking for quality submissions, as is the SF rave cultural 'zine Rythmos.She'll be getting onto the list soon, but in the meantime..feel free to send me electronic (not written) submissions and I'll forward them.. Written submissions can be mailed to Heather at 2249 E. 21st st. #4F Brooklyn,NY 11229. or Ammon at Rythmos at 304 Devon Dr. San Rafael,CA 94903 ... Rave on! C. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 07:33:52 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Chat on IRC/ICB Some of the sfravers have been trying to get together at certain times to meet up on IRC or ICB, two chat programs that are popular for real-time communications.. Maybye some of the people on the east-coast list might be into it too (wish I could,but I just lack the free time!) anyway, I think Brian B. at soda is organizing this, send him email for details.. (bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:43:48 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Kewpie Stabs) Subject: Re: Chat on IRC/ICB THere's always a #Rave_Scene channel on IRC, usually... /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 30 Sep 1992 10:47:28 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: "underonesky" hey, i found out about ne-raves thru "u o s" that i picked up at storm! glad to be here! >>taylor808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:55:41 -0400 From: rapotter@COLBY.EDU (Russell A. Potter) Subject: Re: 'Under One Sky' Sounds great. But save some of those quality submissions for *Assemblage*, coming soon to a net near you ..... Russell 'living in a post-print universe' Potter [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:09 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: OFFICIAL ne-raves GET TOGETHER invite! Laura and taylor808 present: THE FIRST EVER OFFICAL NE-RAVES PRE-RAVE RAVETTE! That's right! We've been talking about it for weeks now and it's finally going to happen. The ne-raves list is going to meet itself. As you're probably already aware SPUTNIK II is being held Saturday, October 17, in Wayne, New Jersey. Wayne is about 20 miles from New York City, about 25 minutes from Laura's apartment, and about half way between Boston and Washington DC. We couldn't have *asked* for a better opportunity to bring the ne-ravers together. WHERE: Laura's apartment, Hoboken, New Jersey (you'll get directions when you RSVP for certain. I'm easily accessible via public transportation, too.) WHEN: Saturday, October 17, 1992. 8pm - 11pm. (SPUTNIK II starts at midnight, so if we leave my house at 11-ish we'll be some of the first people there and will avoid the inevitable New York Rave lines.) F E A T U R I N G The ArtCore sounds of Boston's DJ JoltHead Sound System and Lighting by Ed Lasers by John, Ed, and Joe Special ne-raves Rave Goodies Fun Snax Guest Appearance by Ivo the Cat R.S.V.P to Laura --> laura@usl.com There will be a small per person charge to cover the ravette's expenses. As soon as we figure out what it will be we'll let you know. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: steve@sunrise.cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: OFFICIAL ne-raves GET TOGETHER invite! Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 11:42:22 EDT > Laura and taylor808 present: > > THE FIRST EVER OFFICAL NE-RAVES PRE-RAVE RAVETTE! Sounds Great! I hope you will be doing it again since I will be visiting Boston sometime in November and I'd really like to meet some of you and check out the scene there. Things were looking up for a while here in FL but I haven't heard of any raves since the damn hurricane. Oh well... I only have 5 semesters left here, TG... later all! ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 13:41:18 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (head on) Subject: Re: Correction. >i really liked when Onionz (?) played 808 State (one of the >Pacific's i think), and then went in to play their new >one, "reaper repo": way funky tribal! I just realized that he's done this the past three times I've seen him spin. maybe he's comfortable with it and it's part of his set.. Used to be that you'd go to venus and be able to predict eveything that was going to be spun :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:06:34 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: Boston club schedule for those of you in boston, i talked with lord debo last night and he gave me the following schedule for Landsdowne st. events: fri,oct2-tim ryan spins the whole set at Axis thurs,oct1-dj repete(NYC) and tim taylor thurs,oct9-james christian (NYC) spins at venus fri, oct10-Providence rave, (i forhet the name, check rave-o-matic) sat,oct11-rave in portland, maine thurs,oct.15-Scott Henry spins at venus wed, oct22-UTAH SAINTS and The Shamen play (somewher on landsdowne) nov 7th-warehouse rave in boston with debo, onions, micro, a slew of NYC DJ's, 80,000 watts,smart bar, etc. (this was originbally scheduled for oct. 24th and changed- this means that it is not 100% sure yet, although the DJ's are confirmed) oct 29,30-DJ ON-E spins at venus and axis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- exciting, huh! the lord is good to us, bless him. his newest disciple, -camper. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ stay groovy. camper english (medication time, medication time) @buphy.bu.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: a man called sun Subject: Something never achieved Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 21:04:57 PDT Hi. My name's Andy. I've dedicated my life to Jesus Christ. No actually, I'm asking if you...John?..could take me off this list (:Sob#!..soB!'.) ...i've sent you a letter before but i'm just going to tell you all, now, here, that i truly regret not being able to meet any of you. I'm an easterner at heart (i think), and had the unfortunate missed chance to get to any of the raves announced on this list when i was in Syracuse over the summer, ...i passed up the chance to experience a rave different from a rave any west coast druid could ever concoct....and this list is a true document that you all have the vision all raves should promote in the future. ....sigh.. Keep It Boomin'! -a [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:45:49 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Smartbars and Supplies.. If anyone on the list wants to receive a flyer describing my two nutrient mixes for smartbars...(they're excellent,many people in the computer and neuroscience community use them..and they're an excellent value..too,no caffeine,nasty herbs like ephedra or sugar....) drop me a line with your land-mail address.. Thanks! -Chris Nutrient Cafe Wholesale [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:48:14 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Cities in dust) Subject: Witty? Seems posts from ne-raves are getting forewarded to a service called _witty_ located at Youngstown State University. . . Did I subscribe a group mailing account to that address, or is someone picking up selected messages and placing them on that service.. It's really odd to have people sending me mail thanking me for posting to witty, when I'm not! And if there's any ravers at youngstown, I'll be glad to subscribe them. I just like keeping track of what's going on with the mailing list...! Right now, there's 150 + subscribers, and god knows who else is on the list, with multiple distribution sites in SF and CANADA.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: tma@KUWAIT.ELP.CWRU.EDU Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 17:01:46 EST Subject: N.Y. City Events ??? Yeah...I am going to be in New York City from 10/17/92 - 10/21/92 and I was wondering about any alarming raves hapenning during that time???? Let me and (whomever else ineterestes!) know by posting to ne-raves or by e-mail. Thanks TAREQ. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 10:16 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Saturday, October 3rd, in Cincinatti (from alt.rave) Rave1 Productions presents Saturday, October 3rd Cincinnatti's first hardcore rave: RAVE ON E [this guy sounds alot like Geraldo, hmmm] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] 10,000 WATTS OF SOUND Lights by TECHNO COLOR Loops by ECSTASY EFFECTS Smart Bar by THINK SMART Sponsored by BOOM BANG Instant Rave Gear PLUS 8 Records ACT UP [a cause, a cause =-) ] PRICE: $5.00 at the pay point, $8.00 if you go straight to the door LOCATION: pay point directions to be announced on Saturday at... INFOLINE: (513)860-6077 "PEACE....LOVE....UNITY....ECSTASY" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: "alexandros g. hobson" Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 10:31:28 -0400 Subject: Unsubscribe. Please remove me from the list. Too much mail!!! AAAAAAAGGGHH. Thanks. alex alexees@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 10:44:25 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) From: "alexandros g. hobson" : > Please remove me from the list. Too much mail!!! AAAAAAAGGGHH. ne-raves doesn't produce as much mail as sf-raves! I had to unsubscribe from sf-raves because I would get over 50 messages a night (at the least). Some days I couldn't even open my mailtool because there was no room to write. Oh well. CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 11:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenny Eng Subject: Re: Unsubscribe. please take me off the list too. thanks kenny [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 11:56 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: SAVE THIS MESSAGE To get off ne-raves, or change your address, or whatever, send mail to the list administrator ONLY, not to the entire list. To do this write to ne-raves-request\@silver.lcs.mit.edu That way the rest of us won't have your "please take me off I'm getting too much mail" mail messages cluttering up our mailboxes. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: revar@aol.com Subject: rave info Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 12:40:25 EDT pleez put me on your mailing list, also i do a fanzine out of NYC called uunder one sky, if you want to get anything published reviews scene reports and letters please send them thanks revar@aol.com [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 11:54:30 -0700 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: sf-raves mail volume >I had to unsubscribe from sf-raves because I would get over 50 messages a night >(at the least). Well, it's not THAT big... the average is around 25, but sometimes it gets real active if there's a hot topic. A few weeks ago over 60 went out in the same day... And for the month of September 1008K of postings went out over sfraves. oh well. Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:10:15 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: The Loft rave For those of you who are going to the Loft tonight... Do anyone have directions to the club? CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: The Loft rave Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 16:27:46 -0400 From: kanarick@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU As they said in the Boston Monk, if you have to ask.... no, seriously, The Loft is near the Hard Rock Cafe downtown. To get there, face the front entrance. Take 10 giant steps to the left and walk down the street past HRC and Bertucci's (both of these on your left). When you get to the end of the block, turn left, walk 10 feet and stop. There you are. How many people are planning on going tonight? This should be interesting. The last time I was at the Loft, everyone was basically in the "cut off jeans shorts, no shirt, black boots" look. Talk about monotonous... Anyway, if I do go, I'll be the one with the orange and black diffraction glasses. Come say hello! -- cmk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:47 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: The Loft rave Many of the ne-raves people will be there. John and Joe (jna and cutter) are doing lasers tonight. I am driving up from New Jersey just as soon as I'm done mailing this. You can bet Dave (djm) will be there. Where to meet? Well, since it goes until 5.00 am or better, how about at 2.00 am by the DJ on the SECOND floor (for trance/tribal techno with Mayhem). Okay? I have short blonde hair and will probably be sporting black wire framed sunglasses. Also, I've got on a black turtleneck and a black and gold short flowy skirt with black tights and black boots. No, I'm not one of those angst-ridden industrial types, I'm just coming straight from work, you know? Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: The Loft rave Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:16:22 MDT La La Laura: > Okay? I have short blonde hair and will probably be sporting black wire > framed sunglasses. Also, I've got on a black turtleneck and a black and gold > short flowy skirt with black tights and black boots. Woo woo! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:28:28 -0700 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: The Loft rave > Okay? I have short blonde hair and will probably be sporting black wire > framed sunglasses. Also, I've got on a black turtleneck and a black and gold > short flowy skirt with black tights and black boots. And now is the time on sprockets when we rave! ;) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:32:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Cohen Subject: Good Techno/Rave Music Shops Hello, fellow ravers. I'm new to the list, and happy that it's here!!!! ))):))) Anyway, where are the best record/cd stores in the area to get techno/rave mixes (Boston/Cambridge), and what are the latest titles to grab? Peter [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:02:53 -0400 Subject: List bandwidth Recently ne-raves has had alot of messages on it. Allow me to make a suggestion... Let's keep ne-raves for the posting of rave announcements, and try to keep the "let's meet at my house tonight" stuff to local rave mailing lists. Here at the University of Maryland, we have 30 people on a local list. I scan ne-raves for announcements of local raves, and pass on those announcements to the people on the UMRaveList. Similarly, it seems reasonable to set up a Boston list, and so on, for discussion of local rave issues. Discussions of area-wide rave issues also seems appropriate on ne-raves, but personal local stuff is best handled by local lists. And deep philosophical ravestuff can also be carried on alt.rave. Just a suggestion ;) I find ne-raves a very important resource, and appreciate it a great deal, even if the signal to noise drops now and then. -Thomas resident technoshaman [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 18:10:59 -0400 From: jeff@ursa-major.spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic) Subject: Admin-etiquette -please read I sent this short note to Kenny after he requested to unsubscribe and while it does not deal directly with raving I figured that there's been alot of this sort of thing lately so I'm forwarding it to the list at large (I apologize in advance if some of you have seen this before). ***forwarded msg*** Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:12:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Fabijanic To: Kenny Eng Subject: Re: Unsubscribe. you write: >please take me off the list too. thanks >kenny Howdy, As a fellow Netter and member of the ne-raves list, I thought that I'd just pass on this bit of Nettiquette. When either applying to or requesting to be dropped from a mailing list, it is best to send your request not to the list itself, but to the administration list, which is almost always called listname-request@listsite For instance, to subscribe, unsubscribe, or request any other administrative action from the moderators of the ne-raves list you shouldn't send your msg to: ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu but rather to: ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu Again, this is the standard way of doing things and I think you will find that most mailing list administrators use this convention. There are a couple good reasons for this. First, it keeps list traffic down so list members don't spend alot of time reading administrative msgs. Second, just because a list is sponsored from a particular site doesn't mean that the listadmin from that site is *reading* the list mail (while s/he *would* read all list-request msgs). Many sysadmins allow a variety of lists space on their machines - just because they're generous people. If you remember to try listname-request@listsite for your administrative requests, you'll probably make the list admin's life alot more easy. Tschus, Jeff ***end forwarded msg*** [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:32:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian O. Bozarth" Subject: rave clothing request Hi there, Does anybody have quick access to any Jive or Clobber shirts or caps??? I would really like to get some of these since no one really carries any in Pittsburgh. Where do they sell them and can you buy them for me???? I can of course re-imburse you on it or would like to make trade for techno CDs or 12"s of about equal value. Send me info on what's availiable(designs, colors, etc.) so I can have some choice. Would prefer shirts and caps of good quality: ie: shirt 100% cotton. Are there any other companies that make them? Do Jive and Clobber have their own stores? If so, where? Thanxs, Brian PS: For those of you who went to the Evolution rave in CMU, Pitt...what was your impression? I helped out on staff but was pleased with the turn-out and the set-up. The accoustics were not helpful to the DJs. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 20:53:07 EDT From: cshin@feds59.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: sf-raves Hello ravers and ravettes, Can someone give me the full email address to sf-raves? Thanks! CaRoLyN P.S. The Loft was a cool place. I had fun... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 00:47 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: List bandwidth No, it doesn't make sense, because the people who meet are from all over the North East. That thing at my house -- I've got people from Mass, PA, NJ, NY, and CT coming to it. You can always delete messages without reading them you know. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: chris136@aol.com Subject: mailing list Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 19:30:22 EDT subscribe chris136@aol.com please add me to your rave mailing list as listed in the rave fanzine distributed by REVAR thanks chris lee [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:10:08 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Ultraworld Excursion The last time I went to an out-of-town rave was the Storm rave disaster in Manhattan. This time I was hoping that my luck would be better for Ultraworld Excursion in Baltimore. Sure enough I was right. Ultraworld Excursion was like hitting the lottery, well maybe 5 out of the six numbers. We had spent the day at the Fells Point Fun Fest, which wasn't that fun. We were anxious to rave. so we arrived a little past 11:00. Things were a little slow, and it took about an hour for things to get going. Ultraworld Excursion was in a large warehouse, just across the railroad tracks from the new yuppie housing developments. The entrance was through a fortified metal revolving gate, just like to ones in the NYC subway system. You had to walk up a small stairway to enter the building. Once in the building, you walked down a narrow metal staircase to the main room. The main room was a huge rectangular space with glazed brick walls and floors. There was a platform in the center, and one to the right and left sides against the wall. The lights consisted of six Intellebeams. Four at the corners, and two in the centered facing out from the walls. Good, but nothing spectacular. As for the music, it was billed as a hardcore rave, and it was. Some of the music earlier in the evening had a few twitches of happy techno, but not a whole lot. As the evening wore on the music got harder and harder. It 's just a hypothesis, but there appears to be a relationship between hardcore Techno and one's ability to continue dancing. It seem that when you factor the hardness of the techno by the cumulative time spent dancing the result ends up with diminished dancing enjoyment. Is this what my econ Prof. was try to explain when he lectured on the law of diminishing marginal return? :-) The best thing about Ultraworld Excursion was the Chill out room. It was a large dual level room where the DJ's played trance and deep house. There was a small monitor playing video of what appeared to be Amiga graphics genlocked over some video feedback. People were permitted to BYOB. It seems that is the standard for Baltimore rave. However, I'm happy to report that there were not many people who bothered. It did not seem like there were any drunken idiots making fools out of themselves. The alcohol consumption was moderate. Overall, it was a very good rave. The crowd was mostly ravers. The layout of the space was excellent. When I got tired of the hardcore, I went to the chill out room, relaxed, caught a second, third, and fourth wind, and went back for some more hardcore. It even helped me enjoy the hardcore. The chill out room prevented a hardcore brain hemorrhage. Ultraworld Excursion is a recommended rave. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:13 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Rave-O-Matic (rev tue oct 6 [LONG]) R A V E - O - M A T I C A list of raves upcoming and alarming. Huge numbers of upcoming raves and techno happenings . . . Laura laura@usl.com ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, October, 9, 1992 ORACLE Providence (401) - 621 - 7563 (617) - 266 - 1987 (516) - 264 - 2243 Experience the pulsating forces of the oracle's ultimate RAVE . . . . Oracle Productions w/AmoebaHead Adam X (NY) Sotrm, NY Hard Core General Dave Trance (Long Island) Caffiene, X Cubed, Fluid James Christian (Long Island) Sotrm, Fluid DEBO (Boston) Venus, Quest Otterpop (Providence) Quest, bounce Visuals by Multi-Media Light Show Intelligent Lighting by Glow Worm INFO ~ INFO Prov. 401-621-7563 Boston 617-266-1987 NY 516-264-2243 LIVE TECHNO : DX-13 (Providence) Big Nazo / Solid Lard Dancers Sound & Light Therapy from the between the two worlds mind gym Advanced Tickets $9 at LUNASEA on Thayer Street, Providence, RI $11 day of RAVE on Thayer Street. Look for the RAVE mobile. Get map with tickets. Friday Oct. 9 -- 10pm - 6am -- Legal location in Providence ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 10, 1992 THUNDERGROUND New York/Staten Island (212) - 631 - 1065 (212) - 629 - 2061 The Thunderground -- 10.09.92 -- A New Beginning It all started just over one year ago. A small handful of people, a strobe light, and a vision, which now has become the East Coast rave scene. Now, the people who brought you Storm, invite you to New York's forst and only true Euro-Style techno club. The most important thing will be the music which everyone else here thinks is a trend. Come to rave & come to experience the future. The Storm-Rave Organization Presents The Grand Opening of The THUNDERGROUND Saturday, October 10, 1992 Doors Open: 10pm - Dawn 18 to think / 21 to drink 100% legal * 100% underground & 100% pure In the Techno Reactor -------------------- Frankie Bones Adam X Jimmy Crash taking you through a history of pure techno In the Nuclear Chamber ---------------------- Ralphie Dee Micro Onionz playing a mixture of trance, ambiance & techno Mind-dissolving lasers, advanced light show, smart bar, and the most pounding techno sound ever in NYC. Executive producers: Joe Fax, Mr. Hyde, and Dave Lights Your Host With the Most: Dennis the Menace Promo's By: Heather Heather, Chad E. Boy, and L.A. Dave -- There will be shuttle busses -- Call Groove (718) - 714 - 5232 or Beeper (718) - 766 - 5369. Hotlines (212) - 631 - 1065 / (212) 629 - 2061 The Thunderground * 700 Van Duzer * SI, New York * Club Phone (718) 816 - 5323 Ample parking with top security Directions from bridge: Verrazano Bridge onto Staten Island Expressway to Richmod Road Exit. Get off and make a right at first light (Targee St.). Go 1 mile to Broad Street and make a left, 1 block to the Thunderground. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 10, 1992 CRUSADE Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 Follow the Blinding Truth! CRUSADE Automatic Soulcleansing Action Filled to capacity with spiritual freedom. K.C. and the Sunrise Gang, the Divine Creators of May Day Rave and PURE, now lead you to Salvation! 5000 sq. ft. of Celestial Vibrations DJ's M Gee, 333 (London); Overload, Seanne & Mayhem (Boston); Dale Charles (San Diego) Provide Harmonic Convergence Sat 10/10/92 Rave 12 - Dawn $8 / advance * $9 / door Rave tixx aval @ Fast Forward Records (Providence), Allston Beat (Boston), Bad Habits / Zoots (Portland) 21+ prerave party 9.00 - 11.00, last-minute tixx & map @ Zootz 31 Forest Ave. Portland ME, Exit 6A off 295 ambience by A Book Called Galanta atmosphere by Tres-C/brainwave synchronizer goggles by Opulus experience the virtual reality of your mind lights by INTELLABEAM fun bar by SIN-DEE, featuring Earth Girl's Think Drinks and toys for all -- bring "X" trap play money! hats by Big Fun House ravewear by Worship videotrip by Videoport divine inspiration by Jimmi Questions? Comments? Call Crusade Infoline @ 2077736979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17, 1992 SPUTNIK II Wayne, NJ (212) - 465 - 3299 Return To Orbit On October 17th SPUTNIK II New Location Within 20 Miles of NYC . . . TICKETS: on sale now. liquid sky, nyc. 212 431 5369 vinly mania, nyc. 212 463 7120 planet x, new brunswick, nj. 9082490304 rhino records, new paltz. 9142550230 music now, DC 2026383272 ameobahead, providence. 4017662334 mindwarp, boston. 6172661987 advance tickets are $13 now and $15 on the 17th. (the day of the rave). GENERAL SPUTNIK INFO::::: 212 465 3299 doors at 12 am. DIRECTIONS: >>from points North: Garden State Parkway south to exit 154 (Route 46 west), and follow directions below.** >>from points South: Garden State Parkway north to exit 153 (Route 3 west). Take Route 3 to Route 46 west (a left exit) and follow directions below.** >>from Lincoln Tunnel take Route 3 west, passing the Garden State Parkway. Look for a left exit to Route 46.** **Take Route 46 for 3 miles just past Toys 'R' Us to the Riverview Drive/Wayne exit. Follow the signs to Wayne by taking a left and then an immediate right on to Riverview Drive. Go 3 lights (1.5 miles) to Valley Rd. Turn right on Valley Rd. and go 4 lights (3 miles). Just before the 5th light (Hamburg Turnpike) is the Ramapo Shopping Center. SPUTNIK II is at "Skaters World" roller rink, Valley Road and Hamburg Turnpike, Wayne NJ. BUS INFO: manhattan shuttle info: 212 465 3299 brooklyn: heather at 718 646 8077 or dennis at 212 629 2061 long island: beep eddie @ 516 435 2560 or liz @ 516 968 8342 boston: 617 266 1987 philly: 215 592 8481 poughkeepsie: bill @ 914 297 4930 providence: 401 766 5334 baltimore/dc: lg @ 310 235 1131 NJ: michelle and chrissy @ 908 727 6527 cleveland: 216 892 3373 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17 CATASTROPHIC Richmond, VA (703) - 971 - 4555 First underground rave in Richmond. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 BOLD II Worcester, MA Becca says: Worcester is gonna try it again with BOLD II October 23rd ! details will follow in time... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit Journey through the hardcore Live from NYC the return of MOBY Live from England, The US debut of MANIX plus Blake Baxter DJs Kevin Saunderson Richie Rich Darryl Wynn Claude Young Friday Octo 23 Detroit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 Catastrophic presents . . . M A S Q U E R A V E voo doo trance introducing tribal trance ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 [no name] Boston Camper tells us: nov 7th-warehouse rave in boston with debo, onions, micro, a slew of NYC DJ's, 80,000 watts,smart bar, etc. (this was originbally scheduled for oct. 24th and changed- this means that it is not 100% sure yet, although the DJ's are confirmed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:22 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: The Rave-O-Matic Index (rev tue oct 6 [SHORT]) R A V E - O - M A T I C Laura and taylor808 present: THE FIRST EVER OFFICAL NE-RAVES PRE-RAVE RAVETTE! That's right! We've been talking about it for weeks now and it's finally going to happen. The ne-raves list is going to meet itself. As you're probably already aware SPUTNIK II is being held Saturday, October 17, in Wayne, New Jersey. Wayne is about 20 miles from New York City, about 25 minutes from Laura's apartment, and about half way between Boston and Washington DC. We couldn't have *asked* for a better opportunity to bring the ne-ravers together. WHERE: Laura's apartment, Hoboken, New Jersey (you'll get directions when you RSVP for certain. I'm easily accessible via public transportation, too.) WHEN: Saturday, October 17, 1992. 8pm - 11pm. (SPUTNIK II starts at midnight, so if we leave my house at 11-ish we'll be some of the first people there and will avoid the inevitable New York Rave lines.) F E A T U R I N G The ArtCore sounds of Boston's DJ JoltHead Sound System and Lighting by Ed Lasers by John, Ed, and Joe Special ne-raves Rave Goodies Fun Snax Guest Appearance by Ivo the Cat R.S.V.P to Laura --> laura@usl.com There will be a small per person charge to cover the ravette's expenses. As soon as we figure out what it will be we'll let you know. ---------------------------NE-RAVES CALENDAR-------------------------------- Friday, October, 9, 1992 ORACLE Providence (401) - 621 - 7563 (617) - 266 - 1987 (516) - 264 - 2243 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 10, 1992 THUNDERGROUND New York/Staten Island (212) - 631 - 1065 (212) - 629 - 2061 CRUSADE Portland, ME (207) - 773 - 6979 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 17, 1992 SPUTNIK II Wayne, NJ (212) - 465 - 3299 CATASTROPHIC Richmond, VA (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, October 23, 1992 BOLD II Worcester, MA JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE Detroit ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, October 31 MASQUERAVE Washington, DC (703) - 971 - 4555 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, November 7 [no name] Boston ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 11:24 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: ALLENTOWN, PA, event My face is red -- this came in in time to be added to this week's rave-o-matic -- and I forgot! Sorry e va n!! [begin] every friday enter the rave at the freight yard in allentown, pa. upcoming events are... live performances by Tri Angel, Shock, and Moby...as well as cd give-aways...every week there is an open smart bar, rave gear for sale, as well as whistle and blow pops for everyone! huge sound system and lights galore to increase your aural and visual stimulation...so come up or down and check it out! for more info call the rave line 24hrs a day at 215-433-0503! Dj's geoff E and Mars presiding over the ceremonies and lighting by Ikon Visuals, as well as guest Dj's from the Troc in philadelphia and the Limelite in NYC! [end] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 12:30:27 EST From: O'Hara Walter Subject: Re: List bandwidth There *is* a world of difference between coming to your house from PA, NJ, NY, and CT and coming to your house from MD, VA, and DC, believe me! ;) WAO'H (disgruntled VA resident) ---------------------- Replied Message Body ---------------------- Date: 10-5-92 12:47am From: {laura@usl.com}:unix:niaid To: o'hara walter:tysons:bah Subj: Re: List bandwidth Also-to: technopagan priest -------------------------------------------------------------------- No, it doesn't make sense, because the people who meet are from all over the North East. That thing at my house -- I've got people from Mass, PA, NJ, NY, and CT coming to it. You can always delete messages without reading them you know. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:28 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: List bandwidth But people are coming up from NoVA. And Boston is a 4.5 hour drive, as is DC, from where I live. Robert (Digital Druid) is trying to organize a bus for ne-ravers from the DC area who want to come up. Stay tuned to ne-raves for more info (if you can put up with the STUNNING number of messages that are pouring into your mailbox daily -- I've seen 3 today, two of them being the weekly Rave-O-Matic listsings). Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:57:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth Schwartz Subject: List bandwidth I wouldn't call MD, VA, or DC "New England." Isn't NE-RAVES a New England mailing list? Bear in mind that the "local" distribution for Boston *is* "ne" on the net; there is no "Mass" or "North-central ne" local distribution. My position hasn't changed. I am, uh, pro -- pro -- uh, prolife -- -- President George Bush, April 1992. I happen to think it was right. -- George Bush, March 1980, on his earlier support of Roe vs Wade. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 13:50:37 EST From: O'Hara Walter Subject: List bandwidth >I wouldn't call MD, VA, or DC "New England." Isn't NE-RAVES >a New England mailing list? Bear in mind that the "local" >distribution for Boston *is* "ne" on the net; there is no "Mass" or >"North-central ne" local distribution. nonetheless, it's the only game in town, hon. >My position hasn't changed. I am, uh, pro -- pro -- uh, prolife -- > -- President George Bush, April 1992. >I happen to think it was right. > -- George Bush, March 1980, on his earlier support of > Roe vs Wade. / \ | hear hear! how come it never gets mentioned on CNN? WAO'H [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 13:52:50 EDT From: cshin@feds47.Prime.COM (Carolyn Shin) Subject: List Bandwidth [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] > I wouldn't call MD, VA, or DC "New England." Isn't NE-RAVES > a New England mailing list? > Bear in mind that the "local" distribution for Boston *is* "ne" on > the net; there is no "Mass" or "North-central ne" local distribution. I thought NE meant North East... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] > There *is* a world of difference between coming to your house from PA, > NJ, NY, and CT and coming to your house from MD, VA, and DC, believe > me! ;) > WAO'H (disgruntled VA resident) Anyways, IMHO I think Laura is being pretty damn hospitable to have a pre-rave get-together. Way to go, Laura! CaRoLyN [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:14 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: MORE bandwidth wasting, delete if you want Although it is confusing, NE stands for "North East." In news.lists there's a description file of all the known mailing lists. For NE-RAVES it says something about covering an area from Chicago -->East and DC-->North. Chicago is a HUGE bit out of the way, but until the proposed mw-raves (MidWest) gets going, I've been good enough to grab rave info for that part of the US. A number of the ravers from different areas have actually met each other personally by journeying to different raves. You know how it gets when you know people as people and not net-addresses, you get a bit chatty because you're talking to a circle of friends. If the list traffic is too bothersome you can always get off it. I've seen more mail today on the topic of there being too much mail than I get most days through the list proper. And in a very small way, I'm hurt -- I volunteered to have this party for ANYONE on the list, to open my home to people I've never really met, and all some people can do is complain that the DC area is too far away so you don't want to hear about it (meanwhile Dave/Joe/Jim/John/Debbie/Becca are driving 4 and a half hours from Boston to come to this). I thought it would be a good idea since I live basically half way between Boston and DC, that way everyone would be equally inconvenienced. As for Walter's comment about ne-raves being the only game in town, you can start your own DC area list if you want. In fact, it might even be a very good idea since the most of the people who I have seen complain about list traffic have been from the DC area. Someone from UMaryland on this list has a list for just Maryland, maybe he/she can expand it and turn it into a dc-raves list? I do not know how one goes about creating a list, but if you want to play that way I'm sure you can work it out. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 6-OCT-1992 15:18:28.18 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: What's all this division shit? TIME OUT PEOPLE!! I for one am a little sick and tired of the secessionist tendencies being expressed by the UM and DC people. Don't you realize that this scene is about unity, not division? Look at the pass for Sputnik II: it includes cities from the whole BoWash area because they ALL are integral to the northeastern scene as a WHOLE. The simple fact is that raving is still quite underground in the northeast and for the most part the scenes are "incestuous" that is Boston people working with Newyork working with Brooklyn with New Jersey with Philly with Washington. A split into separate newslists would be creating a division that's not really there. For that matter why don't the UM people put some more of their own personal traffic on this list? I myself come from Hartford CT and have now come to meet John Adams, Becca, Joe, Dave and Camper, all Boston people whom I wouldn't have even known existed without their personal traffic. How come I never see UM or DC people posting something to the effect of, "Who's going to Catastrophic? let's meet..." I have a brother who's going to American University(in DC) and I will be visiting some time soon and it would be nice to know that there are ravers in that part of the world! As a matter of fact I was in College Park MD in late August, and seeing faces would've been nice but I didn't even know there were ravers there because you guys have chosen to keep your existence secret in a way by maintaining a separate list and being mute on this network. In order to maintain our scene it is necessary to keep a unity between its constituent parts because those parts are too small and weak to stand on their own. A HOUSE DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF CANNOT STAND. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you shouldn't have any regional lists but the fact that you only want this thing to be an events list without any interaction between scenes in each city I find really frustrating. That's a very cliquey attitude and it's something the R*** scene can do without. Just my pocket change. --Kreig ravinGlunatick kzimmerman@ eagle.wesleyan.edu "If you say I'm not pretty I understand/Just don't think you won't die by a woman's hand"--Throwing Muses [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:07 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: What's all this division shit? I agree with Kreig about the rave culture being about unity (and wait till you all see the ne-raves logo -- besides being neat, it says "reach out - connect" on it), BUT ** if it will better serve the DC rave/net community for them to form their own list then I'm all for it (not that they need my permission or anything :-) ). ** They need to be strong in their own community first. I hope that's what the people at UMaryland are doing, getting their core together so they can reach out. What they do is their own affair, but I'm hoping they aren't being isolationist. ne-raves succeeded at first mainly because of the strong Boston rave/net community that got it going. People like John, Camper, and the rest of that group. Don't yell at them too hard Kreig . . . I was the one who suggested they do a dc-raves, not them! Raving is one of those things you have to *want*, otherwise it's just poseur-ish clubbing on Ecstacy. People who want to read more mail or feel more globally connected can be on as many lists as they want. In fact, there are people from Florida, Illinois, Ohio, England, Nova Scotia, and California on this list. And some people on this list also subscribe to the sfrave list. Please, let's not get too upset about it. I've pouted enough . . . let's see some constructive change! Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 06 Oct 1992 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: TOD3253@ACFcluster.NYU.EDU Subject: the dc unity thing this is getting sad people. there is no reason for separation or division. a strong central core (DC in this case) is definitely essential in terms of expansion. if you have a secure base it makes it that much easier to REACH OUT and CONNECT. so by all means, start up more local networks...but do it for the purpose of strengthening yourselves and getting in touch with others, and don't do it because you live too far from laura's and feel left out. i've met some rather wonderful people from ne-raves and one of them even came from a "fight".. (becca!)... so concentrate your energies into positive tasks. not anger for rebellion or division. just my two cents. digital dreaming... >> taylor 808 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: technopagan priest Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:08:58 -0400 Subject: Let's not get carried away! 1) I maintaint the UM RaveList...we have about 35 people on it, and it serves for discussion of very UM specific stuff (such as SGA recognition for the group and such) which would bore most non-UMers to death, though we have a few brave souls in the DC area who still want to be on it. Any raves we hear about are posted to ne-raves and alt.rave, and any local raves I hear about on ne-raves or alt.raves are forwarded to the list. The list is a true mailing list, not a reflector (i.e. everyone has a rave alias in their .mailrc). If you'd like to be on, send me email, I'll announce you on the list and send you the most updated list. 2) Laura's party was never an issue! Heck, I'd drive up there if I had the time. 3) I still think it is a good idea to set up local lists if you happen to have a large bunch of ravers in a very small area (such as here at UM), but as an addition to ne-raves and alt.rave, not to take its place! Blessed be, and Rave On! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 6-OCT-1992 22:05:17.73 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: well... Okay so maybe I went a little over the top but it just frustrates me to DEATH that I had no clue about anyone being down there until you even mentioned the list recently I was just pissed off because I'm very clique-ophobic Anything that screams clique (in the no-geeks-allowed sense) I go ballistic on and the way you guys complained about Boston mail and never use the ne-raves list for open-ended DC area mail (anybody else coming? invitations etc.) just frusTRATES me. My own quirk. But I am in some way right, amInot? I don't like the idea of ne-raves degenerating into a calendar list especially being ravelistically isolated in good ol' Connecticut the never-ending suburb... BTW, I was once on the sfraves list and went to solely the calendar list but before you scream hypocrisy I want you to know that there's no realistic chance I will even leave the northeast in the next few years (being an impoverished sort) and therefore no chance of anything those people said to each other ever making sense but if I can meet Maryland-DC people (a realistic option) I'd like to see a few .SIGs from those people first. So? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 10:32:45 -0400 From: jeff@ursa-major.spdcc.com (Jeff Fabijanic) Subject: Re: well... That was really...difficult to parse. I guess I just don't understand what all the fuss is about. Ne-raves is a pretty low-traffic list, with (til recently) a high S/N ratio (I consider this post "noise"). The calendars are an amazing resourse, and Laura's pre-rave ravette is the best idea I've heard of in ages. So mark me down for a vote of confidence to the list. NW-NH-NM, Jeff [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:36:13 ADT From: Mary-Kathryn Whitney Subject: another thank you/vote of support ================================================ Wednesday - 7th Oct. 1992 First of - is anyone going to CRUSADE in Portland, ME this weekend (Oct.10)? I for one want to thank Laura for arranging a get together for the ne-ravers. If I was just a little closer than New Brunswick, Canada I'd consider showing up. (The July Storm Rave fiasco has made me a wee bit hestitate to forge another two day trip, unless of course I inherit mega amounts of cash or win a wad. But heck, it's good to know about these things, just in case ... While I'm at it, I wanna thank you Laura for doing the Rave-O-Matic calendars. They've helped me get to 2 raves so far and I'm hoping a third this weekend (CRUSADE in Portland). A round of applause to John for administering the list, as well. Now what's this I hear about a logo - REACH OUT - CONNECT - is this for a T-shirt or something? Rave away ... Mary-Kathryn (...more of a reader) "Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards." .... S. Kierkegaard [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:04:44 -0400 From: lizzit@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Lizzette Xixxo) Subject: especially for you owners/operators of lasers > > >Newsgroups: alt.pagan > >From: tedwards@wam.umd.edu (technopagan priest) > >Subject: TechnoPagan Blessings > >Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:35:59 GMT > > A Technopagan Blessing upon the first > firing-up of a new HeNe laser (tedwards@wam.umd.edu) > ======================================== > > (best done in dark room with mini-Maglites in "candle" mode) > > I call upon the the ancient explosion that caused the helium > I call upon the burning stars that gave rise to the neon > I call upon the the Goddess, bringer of nature, bringer of technology, > mistress of quantum physics, and spirit of circuitry > > Blessed be this helium neon laser > May it deliver a bright, coherent, TM00 beam for many years > May it not outgas nor be dropped before its time. > May it cause great joy and contentment in those who play > with its beam, > May it be used only for metrology in her name, and harm none. > > Blessed be also this power supply > May its high voltage terminals never be applied to living flesh > May it long apply the voltage and current required to start > the tube > May it run long, warm, and strong, like an antelope on the plain. > > Let its coherent beam show us the path. > Let us remember to be like the beam; brilliant, directed, and colorful. > > > Blessed be this new laser, > Blessed be, and rave on! > > [Fire up the tube] > > > > Technopagan's Rave Prayer > (by cyberpun@wam.umd.edu) > > We thank the Technology Godess for giving us the ability to rave. > > We desire that through the rave ritual we can use technology to bring > the people of the world together in peace by means of dance. > > We finally wish that the Technology Godess will receive our ecstasy > while raving as an offering and a celebration of her omnipotence. > > --Blessed Be and Rave on... > > -- siang@titan.ucc.umass.edu -------- if you want to kiss the sky you better learn to kneel (on your knees boy!) --U2 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:15:51 EST From: O'Hara Walter Subject: MORE bandwidth wasting, delete if you want Whooooooah! Didn't mean to sound grumpy, Laura. I admire your fine sense of hospitality, but don't think I'll be getting up to NYC for a rave more than once a year. Don't mind my ramblings... >And in a very small way, I'm hurt -- I volunteered to have this party >for ANYONE on the list, to open my home to people I've never really >met, and all some people can do is complain that the DC area is too far >away so you don't want to hear about it (meanwhile Dave/Joe/Jim/John/ >Debbie/Becca are driving 4 and a half hours from Boston to come to >this). I thought it would be a good idea since I live basically half >way between Boston and DC, that way everyone would be equally >inconvenienced. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 12:15:47 EST From: O'Hara Walter Subject: List Bandwidth >I thought NE meant North East... There ISN'T a MA-raves (mid atlantic), sorry to say. NE actually mentions the occassional Baltimore or DC happening, hence our presence here. >Anyways, IMHO I think Laura is being pretty damn hospitable to >have a pre-rave get-together. Way to go, Laura! No doubt about that! I agree! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 7-OCT-1992 12:48:28.64 From: KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: Re: List Bandwidth But tell me... would you really be able to draw a dividing line FOR an MA-Raves list? There is none in the real world So I can't see one ever being drawn in the email world [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:04:52 EDT From: Frederick.Wolf@um.cc.umich.edu Subject: list bandwidth To expand this just a little further... I live in Michigan of all godforesaken places and (masochistically maybe) enjoy posts from ALL regions currently covered by this group, from chicago to maryland to maine. I think the wide coverage really gives the scene more cohesiveness in a way other channels don't. So here's a vote to keep the list wide and inclusive! - fred - [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:50:19 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: DC Vanpool to Sputnik I'm trying to organize a vanpool for DC ravers to the ne-raves rave at laura's, and then on to Sputnik. Right now there are three people who are very interested. If there are other DC ravers who want to go e-mail me. I need to know the number who would go, so I can determine the size of the vehicle to rent. - rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:02:23 -0700 From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Mexico City Rave There will be a rave held in Mexico City sometime in mid November.. I'll post more details as they become available... -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:14:22 EDT From: djm@bedford.progress.com (Dave McMahon) Subject: Oracle in Providence So... Who else is going to Oracle tomorrow? Oracle should be alot like Quest :) Of the two Raves going on this weekend (Oracle on Friday, Crusade on Sat), I'm picking the Hardcore one (surprise, surprise), Oracle. Not many of the usual ne-raves and friends crowd are going, so I'm just touching base with this group to see who I should look for there :) Becca? camper? well... see y'all at Sputnik II anyway :))) Hardcore is the way, brothers and sisters. dave [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:32:40 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (catos con guantes) Subject: Thunderground It's in the rave-o-matic, but no-one seems to have said a thing about it. The word from Nuke York sez: "It's huge. It's gigantic. Bring earplugs. Bring sunglasses. It's an amazing space." It's this Saturday night, on Staten Island. Rave under the aegis of the Statue of Liberty. It should be VERY cool. I guess it's technically a club rave, but it's the same people who do Storm Raves, and anyway -- in England, everyone went to rave at the Hacienda, and THAT was a club.... (Is a club?) /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 12:16 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Thunderground Actually, The Thunderground is no where near the Statue of Liberty. I was there Tuesday night. You can almost see the Verrazano Narrows bridge from it. The Thunderground is a club being started up by the Joint Ventures / Storm Rave Organization. The space is an old brewery that was built in 1856. You enter a tacky mirrored foyer, and from there go down a flight of steps into the "Nuclear Reactor" -- the main dance floor where the Hardcore Boyz (Frankie/Adam/Jimmy) will be spinning. There are MANY of those gorgeous Ferrara programmable colored spots, 6 mini-scans (an expensive version of IntellaBeam(tm)), and 4 lasers. There is an average sized bar (alcohol) and a full Smart Bar. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Behind this long room you enter a series of brick caverns. These were the original cold cellars for aging/storing the beer. The first one of these has a covered well in it with a replica of the Venus de Milo statue on top of it. Eventually they will add benches and trees with little lights, to make it sort of indoor garden/chill out area. The next cellar contains another bar, and features a small natural spring that runs across the floor. Right now there is plywood over the stream, but the next step is to cover it with grating and somehow light the stream. The next caverns are empty, but one will contain the ambient/trance DJ's (this week it's Ralphie Dee, Micro, and Onionz) and another smart bar (plus more lasers and lights I'm sure), and one will eventually have a movie screen and theater seats installed for chill purposes. The room that is supposed to get the movie screen will not be ready this week because it is being used Friday night for filming some scene in an upcoming Robert DeNiro movie. Behind all this is a HUGE parking lot and a big outdoor chill zone. The chill zone is backed by cliffs (going up, not down), and the idea is to project those colored oil designs onto the cliffs. Thunderground will be by no means completed when it opens on Saturday . . . After this week Thunderground will be FRIDAYS only, not Saturdays . . . Yes, Storm will still be doing raves -- big huge Storm Raves, plus some of the smaller ones that Joint Ventures does (that we don't even always hear about). Dennis (Joint Ventures promoter) is having a pre-opening party on Saturday afternoon. If you are interested in coming contact me for more details. It will be a non-music party, just ravers from all over picnicing and playing volleyball and the like. If I remember correctly there was going to be a barbeque. Anyone who comes will get special reduced admission to the Thunderground that night. The pre-party is free, but you have to bring something to share (games, toys, food, soda, whatever). Oh yeah, save your bridge receipt if you are driving, because it's good for two free drinks. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 17:38:33 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy god.) Subject: Re: List bandwidth TP>Recently ne-raves has had alot of messages on it. Allow me to TP>make a suggestion... TP> TP>Let's keep ne-raves for the posting of rave announcements, and TP>try to keep the "let's meet at my house tonight" stuff to local TP>rave mailing lists. Here at the University of Maryland, we have TP>30 people on a local list. I scan ne-raves for announcements TP>of local raves, and pass on those I'm running the list, and I want it to be a discussion list. right now , resources aren't available for me to run two lists off of silver. If you want two lists, you're going to have to set them up yourself. MY two problems with running ne-raves: when there aren't any posts, people complain. when there are too many posts, people complain. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:17:26 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy god.) Subject: re: bandwidth arguments and the like Wrong. NE= North East in my book. clue in. I'm sick of bandwidth arguments and distribution arguments.. the purpose of this list is to be FRIENDLY, unity, peace.. etc.. to spread where the raves are, talk about how much fun you had... I started this list for a purpose, and if you don't like it, send me an unsubscription request and I'll remove you. because you just don't understand what we are trying to do here.. If we're sending you things that have nothing to do with your area and you don't want it, unsubscribe yourself. If we're having things that you can't get to, use the list to get transportation, use it to get a way to that event. don't send tons of mail bitching at me, the list admin, because you can't get to it. HAVE and have an event yourself. become part of the rave scene. happy happy joy joy joy != angst angst --John Ne-Raves moderator unsubscription requests to ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:28:07 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy god.) Subject: Re: especially for you owners/operators of lasers I love it, you jsut made my day, I've been building stupid laser frobs all day long and then that comes along.. beautiful... > May it cause great joy and contentment in those who play > with its beam, > May it be used only for metrology in her name, and harm none. :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] ** End of Ne-Raves Digest **