Ne-Raves Digest Volume 1, Issue 1, for June 1992 Topics: ------- Archiving... Music micro-raves the kids will have their beer Acquiring good techno 42 people already??? Pulling things together To those in the DC area... Portland rave, finally.! Updates and hellos! Boston - where to get techno? Even more new people... What's this? A BOSTON RAVE? south east anyone? hey! what happened? RE: Boston - where to get techno? Liquid oil projections.. mailing list shows in boston Rave article and techno band shows DC Raves details magazine Word from across the Atlantic We welcome... re: the loft Portland Rave Anyone Joey Beltram Beltram Welcome! Eon Boston Exodus! Rave in Maine Eon media mention of NCW. ride to maine rave wanted tonight messiah messiah rave muzik "How's the Crowd" EPI / Evolution address in GB. Raves in Washington/Baltimore Portland rave review (sort of long, and sort of late) "Tired" fashion trend.. rave dress codes NYC rave NYC rave NYC rave rave dress codes Suggesting a new person to be addes... Anything going on in NYC...? messiah TRENDY I SAY Trendy.. Nah.. Tie dye advice? ORBIT in Baltimore on Thursday kicks like a mule ORBIT in Baltimore Raving Weekend in DC for 100% pure raving power! FUTURE Strorm Rave Review Boston Ravers Tuesday rave / NY silly rabbit those trax are for kids silly rabbit those trax are for kids Some ruminations whistle while you work Some ruminations Some ruminations Some ruminations baltimore raves Some ruminations Some ruminations Ruminations you bite no you bite no you bite no you bite..... lists Michelangelo III you bite no you bite no you bite no you bite..... Michelangelo III This wasn't what I wanted to happen Administrivia.... Drugs and Alcohol Catastrophic rave report administrivia RE: Future rave Outlands - Colorado Michelangelo III (Providenz, Isle de Rhodes) Drugs and Alcohol Michelangelo III (Summary: hee hee hee) FUTURE rave report Out door raves Inexpensive brain machines. Magazine project,and Future rave. Brayin' My Sheens (We Knee High Jinx) Smart Bar at Future [thyland@us.oracle.com: Out door raves] Smart Bar at Future Yo, Dude, You Are SOOO Right! Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust This Week's Poll Dr. Faustus, I Presume? (long - includes critspeak) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 00:40:21 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Skinny Puppy) Subject: Re: sears bldg Thoughtful invective from puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU: > You are probably thinking of the area around Huntington Ave., at the > base of Mission Hill, which looks more scary than it really is. That is exactly what I was thinking of. Woops! :) > >> It's so nice that alcohol is en passe in the Techno scene... > > > Except when drunk frat buttheads show up. :) > > Sometimes, buttheads are concealed in a non-frat-looking crowd. > [ horrific anecdote vis a vis drunk stranger ] My smiley aside, the object lesson either way is that it's all good clean fun until someone drunk and obnoxious threatens to put an eye out. The biggest problem I can see about Boston is that it is a major college town, more so than probably any city a rave has ever been held in (don't quote me on that!). If a rave gets held and the word leaks out about this majorly massive parrrrrty, duuuuuuude, then surely we are all lost. If a rave gets held and the word leaks out that it's DRY... bye-bye drunk obnoxious dumdums. Keep in mind, non-Bostonian-readers, that this problem is not TOTALLY limited to Boston. You can be sure to encounter this sort of thing anywhere, I'm sure, and it's probably worse when the offending parties are not mostly harmless university students. For almost any occurance of "Boston", read "(your city here)". > > I think, in general, Boston seems to be lacking the kind of utterly insane > > and well-connected people that places like SF seem to have. > > This is not true. It *is* true, however, that the MIT populace is Side note: neither I nor John Adams actually go to MIT. silver is a guest machine. What you say about the MIT community is true, however. On the other hand, something like Senior House's "Steer Roast" is the closest anything's come in the mostly-public community to a rave or a rave-like atmosphere (weird music, weird people, weird shit, weird druuuuuuuuugs). > In Boston, the core crowd is in the art and music communities. Most > of the wild stuff that goes on has always been in medium-sized > semiprivate loft parties. But raves are for EVERYONE, not the cliquey art crowd. Why aren't they spreading the joy and using their wonderful talents for the benefit of all? Define "wild stuff", by the way. Drugged art students taking their clothes off and pretending that makes them mature is not my personal idea of a wild time. :) [token elitist comment] > * There will never be an all-night club here. Boston is bolted tight > at 2 AM. I agree, and mentioned this in an earlier post, in fact. [John, are we keeping archives?] > * Boston has more of a "down" attitude, like a mini New York. When > people are naturally paranoid, sarcastic and so on, it's hard to get > them to be "happy, happy, happy." Oy, so it's written in stone we should always be this way? :) I'm not sure what you really mean by "down" -- Boston is Puritanical up the butt, to be sure, but we have a diverse collection of people (mostly students) from all over the country bringing their vibes with them. Plus it's hard to be down when you're X'ing and the bass is making your clothes vibrate, no? :) > * Boston has, despite its preponderance of educated people (there are > more colleges per capita here than *anywhere* else in the country), > never been super receptive to artistic experimentalism (cf. "Lexicon > of Musical Invective," N. Slonimsky). An ex-roomie of mine and I helped a friend do an experimental art peice in Lobby 10 (or whichever is the lobby at 77 Mass Ave) at MIT. It involved two people asleep on the balcony, mic'ed up, and run through a shitload of effects processors, and then amplified into the lobby. It was met with mostly confused stares and indifference. So much for the halls of academia as an avenue for new ideas. :) > I'm not saying it can't be done here. But don't expect a "clone" > scene of a California experience. The populace is different. The > weather is different. The laws are different. The culture and > history are different. I said this to someone some weeks back when talking about doing industrial music in Boston -- we're not an industrial town, it's just not in our culture and history; places like Chicago do industrial just fine thank you because the whole ambiance of the city is TOTALLY industrial. Boston industrial bands are Skinny Puppy/NIN clones. Who wants a clone? Likewise, I'd feel kinda dumb in a way if all we succeeded in doing was making a Cali clone, because then it wouldn't be US; it wouldn't be special at ALL. It's totally possible to do something here in Boston, I'm sure of it. The question is, can the right people hook up and be creative enough to make it that special? I think the answer is yes; Boston is a small city and the circles are smaller than any of us realise, probably. Anyway. How far away is Portland? Price info? Name of club?? Why am I not asleep now? /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 00:02:10 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: sears bldg [stuff about drunk people deleted] >Keep in mind that this problem is not TOTALLY limited to Boston... Agreed. There's been some discussion about alcohol at raves on the sfraves list, and I think most people agree that one beer or two can give you a good buzz for a dance, but more than that and the vibes go WAY down. At any large rave here or in LA, there's always people whose main and only recreational drug is alcohol, and when they realize that they look or feel stupid at a rave when they're drunk, they get frustrated or angry, or just stand there without dancing, without interacting with the crowd.... drinking always made me feel sluggish and sloppy and a little quesy, I can't imagine dancing for more than 15 minutes after three beers.:) I held two semi-raves (micro-raves?) at my house in hish school a long time ago, and the flyers specifically said they were dry - despite that, I got a good sized crowd (as many as my living room could handle :) and not a single piece of damage. And it was still tons 'a fun.... Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: sears bldg Date: Thu, 04 Jun 92 22:54:36 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU > BAD area, though -- think what you'd be near! Simmons, Wheelock, a buncha BU stoonts, and the Fenway (art stoonts and gays). Oooh. Doesn't sound real frightening to me. You are probably thinking of the area around Huntington Ave., at the base of Mission Hill, which looks more scary than it really is. I used to go out with a woman who lived on the hill a number of years sgo, and nothing terrible ever happened to me. It's mostly a low-income family neighborhood. >> It's so nice that alcohol is en passe in the Techno scene... > Except when drunk frat buttheads show up. :) Sometimes, buttheads are concealed in a non-frat-looking crowd. In the early to mid 80's, I was living a boho life in a loft in Allston (yup, Allston), and since a number of my friends were in bands, I would periodically throw a loft party. Each time I did this, I got a slightly bigger crowd, which was funny, because I really only invited my friends (though a lot of them). The last time I did it, the turnout was enormous (by my standards). I had a few hundred people, most of which I didn't know. They looked hip enough, but there was something creepy about the scene this time. These people expected to be *entertained*, as though they had gone to a pay club. Since my friends in the band didn't play until 12:00, the strangers got fairly restive. Some asshole, unbeknownst to me until the next day, thought it would be real neat to pitch the flourescent lights in the outer hallway down the stairs like javelins, and leave kick & punch marks all over the walls. Needless to say, this was the last of these I bothered to throw ... > I think, in general, Boston seems to be lacking the kind of utterly insane > and well-connected people that places like SF seem to have. This is not true. It *is* true, however, that the MIT populace is fairly disconnected from the more interesting happenings that go on in this area, since they [we] are generally real busy, and don't tend to stage events ourselves. Don't assume, because you don't see it, that nothing is going on. > How do we attract/develop/discover these people???? In Boston, the core crowd is in the art and music communities. Most of the wild stuff that goes on has always been in medium-sized semiprivate loft parties. In fact, some of the aspects of raving were being done here nearly a decade ago (eg. X-driven [loft] parties with surreal projected visuals). That you have to be connected to (or actually *be*) the scene creators does not obviate their existence. We should also be aware that Boston is not California. And don't expect it to become California, either. Points of difference to note are: * There will never be an all-night club here. Boston is bolted tight at 2 AM. * Boston has more of a "down" attitude, like a mini New York. When people are naturally paranoid, sarcastic and so on, it's hard to get them to be "happy, happy, happy." * Boston has, despite its preponderance of educated people (there are more colleges per capita here than *anywhere* else in the country), never been super receptive to artistic experimentalism (cf. "Lexicon of Musical Invective," N. Slonimsky). I'm not saying it can't be done here. But don't expect a "clone" scene of a California experience. The populace is different. The weather is different. The laws are different. The culture and history are different. If we pull it off at all, the result will be something uniquely Bostonian, I think. -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 03:51:31 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: sears bldg >* Boston has more of a "down" attitude, like a mini New York. When >people are > naturally paranoid, sarcastic and so on, it's hard to get them >to be "happy, > happy, happy." Probably why the Skinny Puppy Chicks have so much fun here.. :) >> I think, in general, Boston seems to be lacking the kind of utterly >insane >> and well-connected people that places like SF seem to have. > >This is not true. It *is* true, however, that the MIT populace >is fairly disconnected from the more interesting happenings that >go on in this area, Don't think that the list is MIT-centered... I don't even go there. :) But seriously, IO think most of boston is disconnected from what happens in their own city... go figure. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 03:52:33 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: Raves Welcome! Welcome to NE-Raves! NE-Raves is mainly for the discussion of Techno Music and upcoming raves in the NorthEast Area. It's intention is to give people on the East Coast a place to exchange information, like SfRaves does for the Bay Area and surrounding cities in California. To send mail to the list, address it to ne-raves@silver.lcs.mit.edu For Subscription/Unsubscription problems and questions, send mail to ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu Your list moderator is.. me :) jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu! Many thanks to cutter for setting up the list software... Spread the word! NeRaves is ALIVE! --> John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 03:55:40 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Archiving... I've started a small archive in my account.. Hopefully I'll find a location for it when it begins to amount to something :) For now I'll just uucompress it and try to conserve as much space as possible... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: sears bldg Date: Fri, 05 Jun 92 04:08:10 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU >> In Boston, the core crowd is in the art and music communities. Most >> of the wild stuff that goes on has always been in medium-sized >> semiprivate loft parties. Aside: def: "wild" = experimental, altered, envelope-pushing, etc., in whatever ways you would care to apply such adjectives. > But raves are for EVERYONE, not the cliquey art crowd. Why aren't > they spreading the joy and using their wonderful talents for the > benefit of all? For good reason ... It's a venue thing. Lofts are pretty much the only available venue. But, people *live* there (illegally, of course). So, they don't want just *anybody* traipsing through, making havoc, stealing stuff, or whatever, as I'm sure the object lesson from my loft days would illustrate. When they want to "benefit all," they play out, or have an exhibition or something. Loft parties are just that - parties, hence essentially selective. >> * Boston has more of a "down" attitude, like a mini New York. When >> people are naturally paranoid, sarcastic and so on, it's hard to get >> them to be "happy, happy, happy." > Oy, so it's written in stone we should always be this way? :) I'm not > sure what you really mean by "down" Think Lou Reed. > It's totally possible to do something here in Boston, I'm sure of it. Yes. Interesting things have happened here before. Things were hopping around 1980 (in a different way, of course, but there was a *lot* of new and interesting stuff going on). Though I'm not as fully-connected with things as I once was, I'm sure there is still a core of interest somewhere. And, yes, I would still recommend the art/music crowd. First off, these are the people who form the loft scene anyway. Second, there is always some current of creativity and exploration going on there. > Boston is a small city and the circles are smaller than any of us realise, > probably. They are very small. Trust me on this, I'm one of the rare ones who is actually *from* here (though I aim to move to Cal some day ...). -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 09:22:43 EDT From: erik%avalon@harvard.harvard.edu (Erik Evensen) Subject: Music Well here's [I think] a good topic for rave-o-philes in the New England area: Where do you get your music? I mean what is a good source for techno, house derivatives, whatever other rave-y music in the Boston area? HWV in Harvard Square seems decent and they claim they can get anything for you but I'm already bored with them. Somewhat fortunately I'm from LA and will be making a shopping expedition there within the month. Also, is it just me or does Boston seem to be more interested in what I would call "straight alternative rock"? The more independent record stores [Second Coming and Kids will be Kids (or something like)] seem to cater much to the Seattle grunge type sound and so does WFNX. I mean the only place to hear some techno seems to be on WZOU at night and then you have sort through all the ordinary boring Top 40 stuff. Oh well enough ranting and ... --Erik [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 09:28 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: micro-raves Brian wrote: >I held two semi-raves (micro-raves?) at my house in hish school a >long time ago, and the flyers specifically said they were dry - despite that, >I got a good sized crowd (as many as my living room could handle :) and not >a single piece of damage. And it was still tons 'a fun.... I've been thinking about doing something like this actually, and would like input on how it goes/how it went. I'm known for throwing unique parties that go into the wee hours, and would like to attempt a (micro) rave. I live in a neighborhood where late-night noise is not a problem. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 09:36 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Music Erik asks: >Where do you get your music? One option is via mail-order subscription to the Twitch remix service in San Francisco. I don't have their address with me (I'm at work right now). They've been discussed in alt.rave . If you want more info let me know and I'll bring in their address and some track listings. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 10:01:18 -0400 From: tina%lppvax.dnet@dxi.nih.gov (EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES) Subject: Re: Music Newbury Comics on Newbury Street is a pretty good place to get Techno. The last time I was there, I found some really choice 12 inches. And with regards to radio, check ZBC or MBR... I've forgotten the numbers for those. The last time I heard from Tim Haslett, he was moving his Saturday 11 to 2 a.m. show to Thursday 5 to 7 p.m. (something like that). Doug Nice at MBR played some techno although he's more into House and all that. I'm not sure if he still plays techno or not. Hope this helps! Tina [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 11:45:29 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (when the spell is broken) Subject: the kids will have their beer > From: erik%avalon@harvard.harvard.edu (Erik Evensen) > > Where do you get your music? I mean what is a good source for techno, > house derivatives, whatever other rave-y music in the Boston area? > HWV in Harvard Square seems decent and they claim they can get anything > for you but I'm already bored with them. Somewhat fortunately I'm from > LA and will be making a shopping expedition there within the month. You know, the funny thing about Boston is that we're CLOSER to England and Europe (being one of the first port cities on the coast) so technically, we should be able to get this stuff BEFORE LA and SF. Why doesn't this seem to happen? Not sure. Try going to a club and asking the DJs! A more direct route you can't find. Try RRRecords, as was suggested. I doubt the places you mentioned such as Second Coming (which is more punk/used/bootleg) or The Kids Will Have Their Say (which is the Taaaang! Records outlet store and thus only carries teen punk drivel like the Bosstones) really have the knowledge or need to stock it. Likewise for Mystery Train, or In Your Ear!, or Discount Records. I'd be more tempted to try Skippy White's in Central Square, which is almost exclusively soul/r&b/dance. > seem to cater much to the Seattle grunge type sound and so does > WFNX. I mean the only place to hear some techno seems to be on WZOU > at night and then you have sort through all the ordinary boring Top 40 > stuff. Looking at my handy-dandy schedule... Monday - Friday: =============== 4:30pm - 6:30pm WBRS Celebrations (Dance music) (M-Thur) 8:00pm - 11:00pm WERS 88.9 at Night (Urban dance) Tuesday: ======= 12:30am - 2:30am WMBR Vitriolic Vicussitudes (Industrial) Wednesday: ========= 5:00pm - 6:00pm WZBC Stainless Steel Stereo (Industrial & Techno) Friday: ====== 10:00pm - 6:00am WHRB Rhythm 95 (Urban, House, R&B) Saturday: ======== 11:00pm - 6:00am WZBC All Night Raver (Mega-House) I'm sure there's more. WZBC seems to be the best bet: all last summer/fall they were playing "James Brown is Dead" before anyone knew what it was, and they have played that Apotheosis tune (the one that samples the Carmina Burana) during midday. Good luck. Tell us what you find. :) /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Acquiring good techno Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 9:53:47 MST Greetings from the city of salt. In regards to acquiring new and fresh techno, ironically, I used to get all my techno from Boston via a friend who would peruse Newbury and several other stores for me. However, recently, I do all my ordering through Prime Cuts in Los Angeles. Nobody, and I've tried a few, beats them for service and selection. They have more new releases and a more knowledgeable staff than anyone else in the country. Their prices are a bit steep, but for imports and rarities, you aren't going to find them any cheaper. I should add that Doc Martin, one of the top rave DJs works at Prime Cuts. Give their mail order department a call: Prime Cuts (ask for Louis, tell him I sent ya ;-) ) 1-213-654-7324 Monday - Tuesday 12:00 - 5:00 Friday 12:00 - 4:00 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 12:02:24 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (speed is the key) Subject: 42 people already??? Wow. This list grows... It might be nice to send a "Welcome new subscribers John Doe, Jane Smith, and Brian Damage" when someone new joins... Someone mentioned the Twitch remix service... I know one of the guys who does that (he's on the net, in fact, I beleive) and basically they get the rights to a song, then take it apart on a bunch of Mac II's with digital converters up the BUTT. Not the "true" remix you might be used to, but they DO do some amazing stuff. Their remix of (of all things) "Two Tribes" by Frankie is mind-blowing -- they added some amazing techno/house stuff to it. They do a LOT of current stuff. It's a bedroom operation but somehow they make it work. Nice CD covers, too. :) /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1992 12:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Donald Drown Subject: Re: Music I'm currently going to school in Pittsburgh, but I'm originally from New Hampshire. If you go shopping for records in Boston, check out the obvious Newbury Comics (I've only been to Harvard & Newbury Str ones). Also check out a place called Dance Music Plus at 240 Meridan Street, 617/567-5200. I last went there about 8 months ago, and he seemed to have a pretty good selection. About Twitch. Yes, one of the guys is on the net, and he used to go to school and DJ here at CMU. A lot of the stuff that they come out with is cool, but the most recent vinyl issue is kinda mellow. Where did they do a remix of Two Tribes though? I've never heard it. I only have got to listen to the 5 vinyl issues, not the cds though. -Matt Drown Techno Terrorists 8pm-2am 88.3fm WRCT Pittsburgh [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Pulling things together Date: Fri, 05 Jun 92 14:27:21 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I still know a bunch of the people who have been instrumental over the years in making underground things of various sorts happen in these parts. I will be out of town for a week, but will make an attempt when I get back to gauge interest, and see if this knowledge can be used to more easily put something together here before we all walk on our beards. Have fun in Maine, folks! -- Jim PS: I think the "micro-rave" idea is quite appropriate and good. It's doable; and there's something to be said for starting small and seeing how things go before getting many grandiose ideas. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 14:46:23 -0400 From: tina%lppvax.dnet@dxi.nih.gov (EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES) Subject: To those in the DC area... I just got on this list, so I don't know if anyone posted anything about this or not, but tomorrow night in D.C. there will be a rave at the 9th and V. This isn't a part of the usual rave productions that occur every other weekend here. I've been holed up at home and work this past week, so I haven't been able to get ahold of a flyer, but it's this Saturday starting around 10 'o' clock. I hear the first 100 people to show up may get a door prize of sorts- three DJ's- one from NY, Baltimore, and DC. It's rumoured to include a live techno band as well. Name? Silly me forgot to ask when I called up one of the guys holding it. Anyhow, knowing the people who will be staging this production, it should be memorable. Tina :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 14:13:20 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: Music Laura sayz: >One option is via mail-order subscription to the Twitch remix >service in San Fransisco. For more info, contact: sybase!mw@sun.com (Mike Werthiem); he's one of the main remixers..... Their address is: 584 Castro St., Suite 600, San Fransisco, CA 94114-2588 Phone number: 415-751-6740 Fax number: 415-751-3740 They have 5 vinyl (8 songs each) and 2 CD (12 songs apiece) compilations out, with CD #3 on its way... The CD's cover basically everything the vinyl does. CD1 covers basically all of vinyl #1 and half of #2, CD2 covers the other half of 2, and all of three. CD #3 will have most from 4, most from 5, and one from 6 (not yet released :) CD #1 has: (as far as rave/techno's concerned) Guru Josh - Hallelujah Chorus Ya Ya's - Looove t.99 - Anastasia Bizarre Inc. - Playing With Knives CD #2 is almost entirely techno: Jesus Jones: Info Psycho (recognizably remixed :) 4 Hero - Mr. Kirk's Nightmare RAF - We Gonna Get Turntable Terror - Break! Egma - Let the Bass Kick Genaside II - Narra Mine Hypnotist - House Is Mine Prodigy - Charley (they add a cool transforming effect to the beat here...) Vinyl 4: Masterminds - EMF Messiah - There Is No law (lotsa samples thrown in here) Radioactice Goldfish - LSD is the Bomb Return of the Living Acid - Get Funky Vinyl 5: M17 - Rockin Down the House Future Sound of London - Papau New Guinea Sonic Boom - Tra La La Rabbit City - Digital Domian Skin Up - Ivory Tasti Box - Rush React 2 Rhythm - Whatever You Dream The above is far from a complete list, but it's most of the techno stuff they've done. They've only been around for a year or two, so they've done a lot in a small amount of time; CD #3's being pressed and will be ready in a few weeks.... Sorry if this is blatantly commercial; I stand nothing to gain fro this, I'm just a satisfied customer :) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 18:52:48 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: Acquiring good techno I have an address for a mixdown/remix service here in boston that had a couple cuts on a techno complilation CD "Only for the Headstrong" (QUITE good!) I'll post it when I find it. I think the place is called Dance Music Plus,Inc. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 18:53:25 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Portland rave, finally.! Finally full information on that portland thingy: Portland Rave [thanks to wendy!] ------------------------------------------------> 9pm-->6am Two Dance Floors Ambient Room and Outdoor Lounge Techno Tribal Acid-House By DJ's Elad, Overload, Mayhem, and Debo Film Loops and Intelligent Lighting Systems by Opulus X-Cal Smart Bar, Full Bar[9pm->1am] 16+ Room till 1am 19 Forest Ave, Portland Ave , Exit 6A off I-295 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 18:54:40 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: 42 people already??? I'll have to track new subscribers alittle better... There was so much chaos when the list started that It was confusing as _hell_! --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 18:55:40 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: Music Ha! Thanks for posting the address.. now I don't have to go searching for it.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 5 Jun 92 19:09:03 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Updates and hellos! More Ravers: Say hello to: WJW2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU victor@tagsun.med.toronto.edu tma@po.cwru.edu KZIMMERMAN@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU smgjm7c@buacca.bu.edu (Wendy's new address) DJD0873@ritvax.isc.rit.edu and goodbye to: BARSZ@BNR.CA I'm also getting bounce messages from sk5@ukc.ac.uk (Stefan) if anyone knows what's going on, send me some mail... His account was functioning yesterday... rave on.... John! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Boston - where to get techno? Date: Fri, 05 Jun 92 20:00:29 EDT From <9206051545.AA18403@silver.lcs.mit.edu> >Tuesday: >======= >12:30am - 2:30am WMBR Vitriolic Vicussitudes (Industrial) Eeep! Dat's me! I've been doing this show for about 3 1/2 years now. The first 1/2 hour to 45 minutes has usually been the latest dance music that I enjoy. When I started doing it 3+ years ago it was 'industrial dance' but as certain forms of house started mutating and becoming 'noisier' I was lead in that direction. For about the last 1 1/2 - 2 years it's been techno with the goal of bringing a new slate of interesting (IMO) techno to the air every week. In this time I've only repeated a handful of songs I've REALLY liked. Concerning other techno shows in Boston, hasn't Tim Haslett left for New York? As well, Mr. Doug Nice seems to have sworn off of Techno... Oh yeah, the other 1 1/2 - 1 1/4 hours is industrial noise. The show is really self-therapy, first half energy drain and then the long chill - sort of a micro-micro-micro-rave for one each week! Concerning where to get this stuff > Try going to a club and asking the DJs! A more direct route you can't > find. Try RRRecords, as was suggested. I doubt the places you Asking at a club, if you can make it up to the DJ through his/her legions of loyal followers, is a great idea. But RRR...? I make the pilgrimmage there about once every other month for new noise and if there's one thing that'll turn normally friendly RRRon off, in my experience, is dance music. He probably wouldn't let me in the store anymore if he heard what I played in my first 1/2 hour =>. I've had pretty good luck scavenging at Newbury comics on Newbury and Harvard(not as good). Both stores have turntables set up to check out new stock. I check out both places about once a week to try and keep up on new stuff. Of course, this is just a hobby for me but it seems the guys who spin techno for a living (I'm thinking of Debo and Mayhem in Boston) also seem to make a weekly visit to these stores. As mentioned there are a couple speciality dance shops around Boston. One in particular, near Copley Square, I was completely turned off of when none of the proprietor's knew who Speedy J was. Within the realm of techno, I tend to like the stuff that sounds like it was made by a berserk Kraftwerk or, better yet, a computer - no human intervention. I tend not to like stuff with piano breaks or house divas ("shut the f*ck up bitch, you can't sing"). Trance, Acid, whatever... when the music starts resonating with the synapses in my brain, I'm one happy humanoid. Lately stuff like the 'Spasm' EP on DJAX or (ESPECIALLY) Ege Bam Yasi's 'Acid Indigestion Part I' EP or X-102 on Underground Resistance have given me the energy to leave my apartment in the mornings. The flip side of X-102 must have the most spacey-ambient thing I've ever heard...picture yourself sitting in a planetarium in one of those ultra- comfortable seats, the hemi-spherical screen fills with a picture of Saturn, it's rings and the surrounding moons, a deep, slightly reverberating voice begins to explain the way that Saturn's rings affects Saturn's moons and then describes each moon in turn, the chemical make-up, presence or non-presence of atmosphere...just words, no beats, wonderful. Speaking of the ambient direction dance music is supposedly heading in, is there anyone out there that likes Jam'N'Spoon's stuff on R&S? I've (briefly) listened to the Moby remixes and was definitely nonplussed. And this is the new direction? I hope not. -Chris Teixeira [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 6 Jun 92 03:01:56 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Even more new people... Welcome: ciamac@hydepark.media.mit.edu nessus@mit.edu md3b@andrew.cmu.edu (Matt Drown) sg2s@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean Goller) sg1q@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Simon Gatrall) ck33+@andrew.cmu.edu (Carl Klemmer) joe@synopsys.com Enjoy the list... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 6 Jun 92 03:11:04 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: What's this? A BOSTON RAVE? This evening a friend of mine who's involved with promoting the Boston Scene (What of it) Hands me this Flyer: CAPTAIN ANDREW and the crew of the Starship Weebleprise invite you to set sail on a lifetime voyage in a single bound. We will not be overbooking this adventure. Only the first 75 passengers who have a happy face and their 1 bestest friend will be allowed. Time and date to slip into the 3000 square foot futre is Friday July 10th at 10pm. So kiss your ass goodbye. There will be 100 watts of bass per person admitted and only those who act now will come. One Way tickets will be $10 before July 1st and $15 after if they last. Contact Pinki Cesspool at (617) 536-7439 for more info - stricty underground. RAve brought to you by Unity For Objects. Didn't realize it before, but I do now.. Andrew is DJ OnionZ's real name... Go Figure.. I'm supposed to be doing lazers for this thingy... and I don't even know where the fuck it is... -- John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Steve Smith Subject: south east anyone? Date: Sat, 6 Jun 92 4:08:46 EDT Hi all you ravers in the NE! As you might be able to tell from my addr, I am in Florida... yes Florida of all places. I have been watching (or reading) how this phenomena has been spreading from the West and lately have heard of some raves as close as Wash DC! Now there are a few of us here ready to hop in a car and drive for as long as it takes to get to a rave we deem close enough. DC is still far and for propositions as risky as underground parties, I would prefer something closer... but now I'm beginning to wonder if it wouldn't be easier to organize a small rave locally. A couple of us are very enthusiastic about this. Does anyone have any info to get me going? Of all the people I know who would be into this, I could probably get around 100-150(maybe more) if I asked them to bring/invite people they know. If I made flyers... there's no telling. I would be nervous about starting so big though; I'd like to start small. Here are some questions I have: 1) How far financially should I extend myself (and collaborators)? (how much should I (we) charge to recover costs?) 2) should I (we) rent a warehouse? (my house is empty for the 4th of July... just a thought.) Private partys here have a notorious rep for getting busted if they are large, regardless of location. Back in High School, anything big was busted by like 10-11; if there are more than 50-60 young people in on place in this city, the cops will know. 3) What can I do to remain bust-free but still have fun? (I guess, start with no alcohol... that'll be a new one, "no beer here officer, honestly" see #4) Is a map-point type thing overkill for so few people? 4) Where can I order these drink supplys? I have heard of amino-acid punch... Smart Drinks... I suppose that my friends would know more than I about where to obtain E, acid, etc. (though I wouldn't want to trip during somthing I was responsible for) (is that lame or what?) 5) What kind of lighting and effects can be done in-expensively but still be cool? How do I obtain these things... I have friends into amigas (two are into Techo/Rave) who could do comp. graphics but would that be stupid? one last thing... 6) I guess if I kept it small enough, I wouldn't have this prob but... what do I do to keep from being overrun by the restless High School/Teen crowd. There is an infinite number of rich kids with nothing to do in this town and they are bound to find out about this. There have been problems (bad) in the past when crowds mixed (college and high school). Thanks for listening--I hope some of you can help me! Let me know if you would like to hear about the scene down here. Thanks. -steve ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 06 Jun 92 8:47:44 EDT From: smgjm7c%buacca.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: hey! what happened? ok so this is my first official ne-raves mailing and my first official question to the dood who gave out the info: I mailed to Mike Werthiem at sybase!mw@sun.com and it bounced! anyone care to tell me what I did/went wrong? thanks :) with love and an itch to rave, wendy :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 6 Jun 92 14:41:56 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: hey! what happened? I've had the same problem.. he told me to add a bunch of people; I did.. now he's bouncing. go figure! -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 6 Jun 92 14:45:02 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: sears bldg this should be Re: Connections..but... There's a bit of a scene here in Boston; and you've gotta know people to get things moving. Starters would be getting dow and begging Debo to DJ at your rave.. that'd bring people in.. IT's too bad he's such a shit though.. The scene itself is more of a business than just a "bunch of kids having parties"... Anyone agree? Look at places like NY. Storm Ravers paid the police off... -- John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 6 Jun 92 11:54:02 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: hey! what happened? >I mailed top Mike Werthiem at sybase!mw@sun.com and it bounced! The sun.com mailer has been really flakey over the past couple of days - mail from my mailing list has been bouncing left and right (though about half of it makes it through). It's not a problem with just that address, since ALL mail that passed through sun.com bounced at the same time... all I can say is, keep trying. :) John - is he on this list? Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 7 Jun 92 21:14:37 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: hey! what happened? Yep, he's on it... haven't heard from him though. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 8 Jun 92 08:21:06 -0400 From: tina%lppvax.dnet@dxi.nih.gov (EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES) Subject: RE: Boston - where to get techno? Well, this has nothing to do with where to get techno, actually. Tim Haslett (WZBC) did indeed leave Boston for New York for a job with Watts music, but the job didn't quite pan out, so he returned. Unless he's left for New York once again since I've returned home, he should still be up there in Newton spinning the music he so adores. And I do believe he's made a time change. Call up ZBC for more details. Tina :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 08 Jun 92 09:30:27 ADT From: "Robbie-O" Subject: Re: Portland rave On Fri, 05 Jun 92 20:00 ADT jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) writes: > Finally full information on that portland thingy: > Portland Rave [thanks to wendy!] > > 9pm-->6am > > Two Dance Floors > Ambient Room and Outdoor Lounge > Techno Tribal Acid-House > By DJ's Elad, Overload, Mayhem, and Debo > Film Loops and Intelligent Lighting Systems by Opulus X-Cal > Smart Bar, Full Bar[9pm->1am] > 16+ Room till 1am > 19 Forest Ave, Portland Ave , Exit 6A off I-295 > Can someone send more info on the Portland Rave? Like Ok the Rave is in Portland ME, but when?? How many $$, is this a big rave, ie: room for Lots of bodies? Rob...... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 8 Jun 92 12:54:47 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: re:florida rave to the florida raver: a cheap visual effect i saw at a local rave is to use an overhead transparency machine, with watchglasses full of food coloring on top. layer watchglasses on top of each other, and the colors swirl and mix. try adding something thick and goopy like corn syrup and let the colors diffuse into it. -camper [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 8 Jun 92 13:08:55 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Liquid oil projections.. Instead of cornsyrup, use clear mineral oil.. You can also color the mineral oil with aniline (oil based) dyes... Use a dimmer or variac to vary the overhead's brightness,use various cutouts and stencils to create a liquid windows/spiderweb effect...the sky's the limit. Aniline dyes are avilable from the Keystone company in New Mexico, I think. Also, in the food coloring, try 90% rubbing alcohol instead of water.. -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 9 Jun 92 03:40:33 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: Portland rave Ack, my mistake for not Including the date... It's Friday, the 12th... I believe its $10, and its at a semi-large club called Zoots.. I guess the club has a 24 hour licence and someone's rented it out.. from what I hear, it's "the only alternative-type club in the entire state" Strange people.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 9 Jun 92 03:44:14 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams) Subject: Re: Liquid oil projections.. Just think what would happen if you got a cutout on a little wimpy DC motor (Hell, $1.50 from radioshack?) and then threw a little powe supply and potentionmeter on it... You'd have all sorts of crazy visuals... :) -John (Offical rave weenie.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 9 Jun 92 10:14:57 -0400 From: olver@buphy.bu.edu (Molly Olver) Subject: mailing list Please add me to your mailing list olver@buphy.bu.edu thanks, molly [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 9 Jun 92 10:44:39 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: shows in boston for those of you in boston, i heard from the lord himself (lord debo that is) that venus de milo will be having more techno bands thursdays. he said that Humanj Resource is coming the 18th. i have also heard rumor about Fierce Ruling Diva, but i really don't know. stay yummy -camper [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 9 Jun 92 11:33:19 -0400 From: tina%lppvax.dnet@dxi.nih.gov (EDUCATE THE NARRAMINES) Subject: Rave article and techno band shows I picked up a copy of the City Paper Wednesday and lo and behold, the cover story was about the D.C. Raves down at WUST Radio Music Hall near Howard University. It was a three or four page article complete with a few photos of area ravers (and one of Joey Beltram who spun two Saturdays ago). From what I remember, the article was not very favourable. In essence the writer was derisive at best. If anyone wants a copy, email me, and I'll send it your way. And supposedly Human Resource is making his first US appearance down here at Tracks on 12 June 1992. I wonder how that will go over, considering the crowd is more into House friday nights. THis past Saturday's Rave at WUST (not a Catastrophic Production rave) was alright. The crowd was incredible, but the music was lacking at times. The techno band ...Disintegrate?... played a short set that in my opinion ended too abruptly. They weren't anything to rave about anyways (a pun! I made a pun!) Anyhow, the DJ's (there were three- don't remember who though- sorry!) were stuck on Go, because all throughout the night, they kept sampling that song. Quite vexing. Plus they didn't play continuously hard music. There was no real progression in tempo. They'd play one song, then mix in the beginning of another, so everyone would just stand around for a few measures until the beat kicked in. I sincerely believe they need lessons from Mayhem... It was much too hot there as well. The three or four fans set up around the room did nothing more than to wave around the heat. Still, it was quite fun. Can't think of anything else to do with my Saturday nights! Does anyone know if Genoside II has come out with anything new? (((TINA))) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 9 Jun 92 17:43:19 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: DC Raves I did not think the City Paper article did a bad job when it described the Catastrophic rave, but the writer did not have a clue about Techno music, and the rave culture. He just used the regular media stereotypes. He screwed up big time when he introduced the DJ's. Tom T is from DC (Not NY), Joey Beltram is from NY (Not Belgium). The Catastrophic rave returns this Friday (Not the usual Saturdays) at WUST. I can't believe Human Response would play at Tracks on Fridays. Tracks on Thursday is Techno and Industrial night, and that is when they should perform. The Friday crowd is a bunch of young immigrants looking to get laid. They don't give a shit about the music. ---------------------------------------------------------------- | "C Y B E R I A" | | Experience Reality in a Virtual World | ---------------------------------------------------------------- |Robert Campanell |Explicit Multimedia | |Producer, "Cyberia" |2020 Pennsylvania Ave. NW | |George Washington University |Suite 430 | |Internet: robcamp@well.sf.ca.us |Washington, DC 20006 | ---------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 10 Jun 92 10:24:10 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: details magazine i just received the new Details in the mail yesterday. they give a city by city listing of raving and clubs and radio staions. well, no big surprise, boston got really shit upon. but they were really really off the mark on just about everything. they listed the best radio stations as WZOU, the emerson college radio, and some AM station that only runs in the day and that i've never heard of. for clubs they listed zanzibar, venus de milo, avalon, man ray, the loft, and a couple others i can't remember. not that anyone thinks that the scene here is superific, but they basically said that there wasn't one and even the good clubs that they listed got really bad reviews. -well Details, i just want tolet you know that i am in fact having fun in boston, and that if i can go out 4 nights a week and hear techno then it can't be all that bad. there's my two cents. keep the change. keep groovy, -camper. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 10 Jun 92 19:56:43 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: Word from across the Atlantic I just spent a bomb in London (no I'm not a terrorist, just a techno freak) on the latest and greatest (we'll some of its not the latest). But I'll give a quick intro to some of the tracks you should keep your eyes out for or down right order the buggers. eon - basket case - What can I say but eon. I bought both the vinyl and the CD, the CD has both the original and the remixes. The originals are real nice, but I'm quite please with the remix by Mickey Finn and Urban Shakedown (definitely top boys!). This shouldn't be a problem in the US, I saw it at both Tower Records and at HMV in London. So they should be able to help in the US. (I'll try not to list the stuff that is unlikely to be found in the U.S.). Exit 100 - liquid - Well top track. Real Hardcore techno with alot of acid mixed in. I got it on Vinyl on the Force Inc. Music Works label. I've heard it in a few clubs already and I did see it at HMV, so you may be in luck. Totalis - Maelstrom/Mad as Hell - I like Mad as Hell, but its not as good as Exit 100. Both Tower and HMV are pushing it which may account for its lack of power (always seems like the promoted stuff is really weak). But it is definitely noisy and hardcore. Just not as infectious as Exit 100. Its on Mute Records and licensed from Storm Records. The Holy Ghost - Nice One Boy/ The Magnet/ Psycho Missus - Here's one for you! Very hardcore and very infectious, especially The Magnet (its been in my head all day. Its on a white label, but a Tower Records "Free" magazine was touting it as being the real sound of techno, so my guess is that its on the up and coming. Zero Zero - The World Famous Killer - Very nice track with cool samples. They are currently one of my favourites. I got it on a white label, but I would guess that it will soon be on KickIn records. Also pick up The Sanity Clause by Zero Zero very infectious. horrors! (part II) - The bogey man - It's about a year old now but I just picked it up after hearing it on a house hour. All dj's should own this track. I heard on of Britian's best, Stu Allan, put some ace scratching on it that I can't get out of my head. Its on Chill records, and I found it at HMV. Lastly 'cause I gotta run, I know that alot of people in the US are big fans of the orb. Well they just released a single this week. I bought it on CD, I think its called "Blue Moon", but I could be wrong. Anyway its bizarre!! Its bloody 40 minutes long!! No shit! Same price as all the other CD singles so its definitely "value for the money". I'm not a huge Orb fan, but I got a kick out of it. By the way, another "Peel Session" of the Orb should be on the way. John Peel just had a session which I heard bits of, sounded nice. Any questions feel free: cheers, Stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 10 Jun 92 17:03:23 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (charity, chastity, prudence and hope) Subject: Re: details magazine Isn't "Details" the boy version of "Sassy"? (which itself is not a bad rag, IMHO -- feminism for the hairspray and make-up set) I was just reading the current Phoenix, the one with the summer-fun pullout in it, and they listed The Loft as being free to members, $10 for everyone else, and they're open until 6am. Has anyone been there, or what?!? /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 10 Jun 92 23:30:50 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (lonely is an eyesore) Subject: We welcome... Give a big friendly wave to dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu, our newest member! Hi Dan! /joe ps. anyone going to Maine? Can I catch a lift with someone? I'd need to be back REALLY early on Saturday morning, as I am expected to be one of the people defending an abortion clinic here in Boston from evil pro-life dumdums, and I have to be there around 5am or 6am... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 11 Jun 92 00:11:37 PDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: We welcome... Joe and I are very interested right now in the prospect of providing live music for any chill-out type situations. I have no idea if this is "done", but it hardly matters - I think it's a cool idea. Joe and I are on this serious drone thing now and with the aid of a few dedicated souls, we could play serious Spacemen-3/Spiritualized/Eno/Kitaro/Orb-type "ambient" goop for hours on end. Might make for a unique, personal touch. - Dan ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Dan Parmenter |"Everybody don't like something and we all | | dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu | don't like you" - Richard Thompson | ----------------------------------------------------------------- [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 11 Jun 92 14:11:59 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: re: the loft I have been to The Loft, just once. We went after axis. they do have a dance liscence until 4 or 6 AM, which is as good as you can get here. the music was hip-hop type dance music on that night. I'm not sure how many nights a week its open, but at least fri. and sat. When they moved Risk from The Loading Zone, they got an offer from The Loft, but they didn't beleive it. They went to Avenue C instead, but that ended after about three weeks. It could be a good legal rave site (a small rave, that is), but because its a members thing it might not be possible on a weekend. -camper. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 11 Jun 92 23:55:16 ADT From: "Rockin-Robbie-O" Subject: Portland Rave Anyone Is anyone Going to the Portland Rave on Friday, the 12th... 9pm-->6am Two Dance Floors Ambient Room and Outdoor Lounge Techno Tribal Acid-House By DJ's Elad, Overload, Mayhem, and Debo Film Loops and Intelligent Lighting Systems by Opulus X-Cal Smart Bar, Full Bar[9pm->1am] 16+ Room till 1am The club has a 24 hour licence and someone's rented it out.. I believe its $10, and its at a semi-large club called Zoots.. 19 Forest Ave, Portland Ave , Exit 6A off I-295 I checked this out on the map and Forest Ave is right of the Maine Turnpike. (I-295) I believe its about 5 blocks to the club. Robbie-O [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 03:30:34 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (nuke the place) Subject: Re: shows in boston I've gotta see that. What exactly does a techno band comprise themselves of? couple turntables and a bunch o' samplers? --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 03:43:30 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (nuke the place) Subject: Joey Beltram This went to me but I think it was meant for ne-raves.... >From @mitvma.mit.edu:sk5@ukc.ac.uk Wed Jun 10 06:28:21 1992 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk To: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Beltram Status: R robcamp saim that Beltram was from NY, not Belgium. I'm pretty sure that he IS from Belgium. I know he's not from NY, unless you know something that the Rave community here in England doesn't know. Just look at Second Phase and his solo stuff as well as about a hundred other names he has recorded under. If I'm wrong please correct me, I'll be able to tell all my dj friends and record store owners that they are wrong - good rave does have origins in the US. I know that alot of British dj's have been heading to the US to check out the scene and make a bit of dough (Beltram, Trevor Fung, etc.), but if you want to see the "lord of hardcore mixing" GET Grooverider. Grooverider is really the king. I've seen him about 5 times here at all-nights packed with the best mixing talent in the U.K. and you can pick out his skill right off even though you can't see him. Cheers, Stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 03:45:37 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (nuke the place) Subject: Re: details magazine You ever get the feeling the entire country is shitting on Boston? Probably why 95% of the people that I know are moving to either SF or London in the next 5 months... I say we write a group letter to the magazine... Tell them what's _REALLY_ going on here. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 03:49:21 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (nuke the place) Subject: Re: Word from across the Atlantic On Eon's basket case (the one you have with the remixes and whatnot) is that the same album that is getting sent to the US domestically? I don't recall the version I saw having remixes... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 03:52:47 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (nuke the place) Subject: Re: details magazine I heard a bit about The Loft from a friend of mine.. It's a sort of "deep house" club... Alot like ICE CUBE i'd figure... Then again, this evening there were a couple transvesities from ICE CUBE wandering around lansdowne st. passing out flyers.... I guess House Music is either making a comeback or has always been around and I forgot about it. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 03:55:00 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (nuke the place) Subject: Re: We welcome... It won't even end until 5 or 6 am... You won't be back till 9am... best idea for you is to go greyhound (what, maybe $20?) and catch a ride back early with someone.. ARGH! why the fuck do they have to be so far away all the time.... and why don't I own a car.... -- John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 03:57:49 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (nuke the place) Subject: Re: We welcome... You guys need long sustained "fat" synth pads... :) Borrow my synth... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 04:04:23 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (if you love your art, die for it!) Subject: Welcome! We welcome... Olver@buphy.bu.edu (molly) "Mary-Kathryn Whitney" Sorry I took so long to add you people., I've been staying up amazingly late building equiptment for the rave :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 09:49:09 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: Eon I would HOPE that Eon's basket case on "CD" should have 4 tracks. A "White Coat" and a "Black Coat" mix and two remix's as well (I could be wrong on the titles, don't have it with me) one of the remix's is by Mickey Finn and Urban Shakedown and I don't recall the other. BUT if you buy the 12", there is 1 12" with the "White Coat" and "Black Coat" and another 12" with the remix's. I bought the whole lot, (don't ask me why, I do strange things in record shops), but the CD is a really nice deal because you get both the original AND the remix's for the same CD single price (about 4 pounds in the U.K., so I'd guess about $8). cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 09:56:24 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: Boston Exodus! Don't leave yet!! I'm just returning from London after a couple of years and was hoping to see/participate in the building of a rave scene in boston. We just need to get things hoping. How difficult would it be to rent warehouses outside of boston, maybe even toward central Mass? What pisses me off is the bad rep the rave scene seems to be getting from the press (why am I not surprised! land of the free, right!). If I had kids (god forbid) I'd rather have them at a rave than a Metallica show, much "safer" atmosphere. No drunks! Or at least there shouldn't be any at a "good" rave (they'd die of dehydration)! What CAN spoil the rave scene, potentially, in Boston would be a large gang prescence. Manchester USED to have the BEST scene in the world, but the gangs moved in on the clubs and ruined it! Now you pay a fiver at the door to the bouncer, then a couple of gang memebers change you another 3 pounds to get by them. They then just stand around the walls, showing their "prescence". Alot of the best clubs had to be shut down because of it. Its really a shame. I guess the moral of the story is, even though it may seem like a pain, to mantain a strong rave scene of any magnitude (I'm talking RAVES with 4,000 - 7,000 people etc) good non-pushing security are needed. cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk ps. Only 6 more days till I hit the bay state again. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 09:38:56 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: Rave in Maine hey everybody going to the Pure rave in maine 2nite. i was at venus last night and there an incredibly *huge* number of people from Boston going. hopefully i'll see you there. (look for the blue hair.) -camper. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Word from across the Atlantic Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 8:43:48 MST > On Eon's basket case (the one you have with the remixes and whatnot) > is that the same album that is getting sent to the US domestically? I don't > recall the version I saw having remixes... Eon's album is called "The Void Dweller" and will be released on the 30th of June. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 16:07:18 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: Eon >Eon's album is called "The Void Dweller" and will be released on the 30th of >June. Will it be an LP? Will it be new material (i.e. not including Basket Case, or will it be a complilation of all their old stuff? Cheers, Stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 08:55:53 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: media mention of NCW. There's a brief mention of me and my company, Nutrient Cafe Wholesale in an article in the July Playboy.I'm curious what anybody thinks if they read it. (I have a small vitamin company, and I make nutrient mixes for clubs,private individuals..) -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Eon Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 10:14:12 MST > >Eon's album is called "The Void Dweller" and will be released on the 30th of > >June. > > Will it be an LP? Will it be new material (i.e. not including Basket Case, or > will it be a complilation of all their old stuff? Your guess is as good as mine. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Eric Pederson CSE Subject: Re: Joey Beltram Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 9:31:13 PDT > >From @mitvma.mit.edu:sk5@ukc.ac.uk Wed Jun 10 06:28:21 1992 > robcamp saim that Beltram was from NY, not Belgium. I'm pretty sure > that he IS from Belgium. I know he's not from NY, unless you know something > that the Rave community here in England doesn't know. Just look at Second > Phase and his solo stuff as well as about a hundred other names he > has recorded under. If I'm wrong please correct me, I'll be able to > tell all my dj friends and record store owners that they are wrong - > good rave does have origins in the US. Along with Moby, Beltram is part of the small US techno godhead. He's from New York. Check DJ magazine (UK) in the July or August, 1991 issue. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: Eric Pederson CSE Subject: Re: Word from across the Atlantic Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 9:33:54 PDT > > On Eon's basket case (the one you have with the remixes and whatnot) > is that the same album that is getting sent to the US domestically? I don't > recall the version I saw having remixes... The US domestic 12" (Columbia/Vinyl Solution) has 3 mixes of Basket Case. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 15:00:52 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: ride to maine rave wanted howdy. if anyone is going to the rave in maine tonite and has extra space in their vehicle, my friend michelle is looking for a ride. she will help pay gas. please call her at 353-4815. thanks. -camper. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 15:51:01 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Runny Region) Subject: tonight I'm looking for a lift up and back, as well. Gas money and all. Please PLEASE call 527-3957. Thankee muchly!! /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 21:18:42 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: messiah New Messiah is crap, agreed? Don't waste your money on it, I heard it on Radio 1 here in England, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks (I hate sell out rave)! I've been hearing alot about the "Rhythm Section EP" anybody know anything about it? Or better yet, anyone seen it? My mate bought L7 today, the double 12" (same price as a single though), with Derrick May and someone from the orb. Its not my cup of tea, is it popular in the states? cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: messiah Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 14:33:38 MST > New Messiah is crap, agreed? Don't waste your money on it, I heard it on > Radio 1 here in England, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks (I hate sell out rave)! Hardly. I think "Temple of Dreams" is the best use of samples in a hardcore track that I've ever heard. > My mate bought L7 today, the double 12" (same price as a single though), > with Derrick May and someone from the orb. Its not my cup of tea, is it > popular in the states? You mean System 7? It's not popular at all here. In fact, I saw it sitting in a discount bin the other day. Too bad, of course, half the album does suck rocks. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: messiah From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 13:51:10 PDT hi kids. my first post to the ne-raves list. i've been going to raves in sf since early march. good to see you backwards easterners finally getting into the swing of things. (that's a joke - i'm originally from boston.) >> New Messiah is crap, agreed? Don't waste your money on it, I heard it on >> Radio 1 here in England, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks (I hate sell out rave)! > >Hardly. I think "Temple of Dreams" is the best use of samples in a hardcore >track that I've ever heard. Temple of Dreams sucks! They had a great This Mortal Coil sample and they completely wasted it. The rest of the song is generic hardcore techno... sounds like another pointless remix of There Is No Law - we all know the definitive version of that track is the Twitch Mix... :) (that's another joke - i live with the guy who runs Twitch. the mix is godlike, though.) They even reused the stupid countdown sample. I'm sorry, but ToD just really pissed me off. >You mean System 7? It's not popular at all here. In fact, I saw it sitting >in a discount bin the other day. Too bad, of course, half the album does suck >rocks. Agreed. Here's some tips for you DJs - some of my favorite rave tracks and tracks that should be played at raves but aren't... jam and spoon - stella zero b - lock up the future sound of london - papua new guinea meat beat manifesto - helter skelter coil - answers come in dreams (remix of The Snow) colourbox - you keep me hanging on 2 bad mice - bomb scare e trax - let's rock Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey, Mr. DJ, I thought you said we had a deal... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 22:57:54 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk >You mean System 7? It's not popular at all here. In fact, I saw it sitting >in a discount bin the other day. Too bad, of course, half the album does suck >rocks. Yup, sorry, I meant System 7, memory isn't anywhere near what it used to be 8'(. >Here's some tips for you DJs - some of my favorite rave tracks and >tracks that should be played at raves but aren't... >jam and spoon - stella I heard it was awful, haven't heard it myself, so what would you classify it as? >zero b - lock up >the future sound of london - papua new guinea Unfortunately its getting overused here in England, but hey its on the charts!! Quite high too, best track to make it to the charts since Mind of Kane "Stabbed in the Back/Global Big Mac" (brilliant track!!) >meat beat manifesto - helter skelter >coil - answers come in dreams (remix of The Snow) >colourbox - you keep me hanging on >2 bad mice - bomb scare >e trax - let's rock Don't know it, but I think I saw it in the "white label" bin, what would you compare it to? Is it a hard to find/expensive item in the US? Gotta run, time for the John Peel radio show (yup the creator of the great "Peel Sessions"). Cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: rave muzik From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 16:17:52 PDT >>jam and spoon - stella >I heard it was awful, haven't heard it myself, so what would you classify >it as? quiet and trance inducing, despite being faster than 125bpm. very repetitive, but in a good way. locks into a groove and just takes you to heaven and back. >>e trax - let's rock >Don't know it, but I think I saw it in the "white label" bin, what would you >compare it to? Is it a hard to find/expensive item in the US? it's in the anasthasia vein. kinda old track... but i just got into it recently. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Denounce all others as venereal ashes of the superfluous. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: InsanitY Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 21:21:16 -0400 Subject: Re: We welcome... Hey, I personally really want to form a techno band (not so much a band, but just create techno). Unfortunatly...I know no one who wants to help me. Besides...there is NO rave/techno scene in Baltimore. There was this one techno song that I hear (Stream by Cyclone). It sounds exactly like music that I have been creating...all I have to do is push the speed of my works....oh well u4ia 4ever Cyberpunk Internet: cyberpun@wam.umd.edu WWIV net: #171 @3110 #56 @3118 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 14:19:05 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (you'll love it, it's a way of life) Subject: Re: Boston Exodus! Stefan: If you want to contact people here, let me know... I'd be glad to help.. hell, we'll even drag you to a couple of Techno nights at the local clubs :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 14:21:23 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (you'll love it, it's a way of life) Subject: Re: Details Magazine This was meant for the list .. here goes... Date: Fri, 12 Jun 92 09:32 EDT From: laura@usl.com To: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (nuke the place) Subject: Re: details magazine Received: from usl by usl.com; Fri, 12 Jun 1992 09:32 EDT Content-Type: text Content-Length: 478 Status: R Sorry that you all in Boston feel like you're being crapped on (I like the place, although I've only been there once in the past 5 years). I can't take part in a group letter to Details, though, since -- as I said -- I've only been there once in the past 5 years. Hey, if you told me about a rave up there I'd be there in a second (give or take 5 hours driving time from NYC). Laura (in Hoboken, not Boston, although much of Boston is probably better than my neighborhood) *** Please watch what you're responding to. Try to post to the list , and not mail back to the person that sent you a reply if it's a list-orientated topic... :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 14:23:57 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (you'll love it, it's a way of life) Subject: Re: Joey Beltram Ack, I've got a magazine that says Moby originiated in Italy....! --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 14:27:58 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (you'll love it, it's a way of life) Subject: Re: messiah Heya Jon... Any tips for us people whom are _making_ techno? --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 19:38:18 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: Re: Joey Beltram >Ack, I've got a magazine that says Moby originaiated in Italy..!! Bloody hell! Actually I think that Moby and Beltram are brothers who were abandoned at birth by Cee Jay Boland's stepfather, and spent the first 3 years of life in Italy then were split up and Moby went to Idaho and Beltram went to Belgium to go to school to become a school teacher. At that point Frank Du Wolfe remixed them into various countries and that's why no one can get it straight. cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk note: I could be wrong 8') [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 19:45:16 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk >If you want to contact people here, let me know... I'd be glad to help.. hell, we'll even drag you to a couple of Techno nights at the local clubs :) Thanks John, that would be top! I don't have ANY Techno connections in the US (yet), in fact when I left the US I don't think there was much of a scene in the US. I instantly fell into it here, I'd love to see what "happened" (unfortunately it's losing a bit of its punch now) here happen in Boston. Yeah, so what ever you can do for me would be brilliant. I'll be flying home on June 18th, I live in Central Mass (Gardner) so Boston commutes are no problem, fuck all I'll drive anywhere! cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk "Coming on Strong the Strength of a Hurricane!!" [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 14:49:04 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I can pet animals by the mouthful.) Subject: Re: Joey Beltram And to think that actually makes some sense.... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 20:16:27 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: "How's the Crowd" How's the crowd in NE? From what I understand alot of the techno is in regular clubs and the like, so is it alot of posers and the like? Any dress codes (heaven forbide!)? Here in the U.K. for the most part any thing goes (unless you get a wanker bouncer at a stuck up club) but the norm seems to be t-shirts of all shapes (no tie-dye though) and DEAD baggy jeans and trainers for the men and alot of lycra for the women. I'm I gonna be bounced at the door for "improper attire" (god help us, forgive them for..). cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 13 Jun 92 17:50:32 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: EPI / Evolution address in GB. Do any of our British readers know if E.P.I. magazine is still publishing.. If they are, does anyone have a current address for them.... ? (EPI was the seminal early British rave magazine..) -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 14 Jun 92 14:26:25 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Raves in Washington/Baltimore O R B I T Thursday, June 18 10 PM - 4 AM DJ Tom T. DJ Scott Henry DJ Tony Japzon 1310 Russell Street, Baltimore It's the White Building BYOB, Smart Bar Bring your fake ID's - 21 and over $6 For more info: call (301) 462-4584 F U T U R E Saturday, June 27 10 PM - 10 AM Performing Live: Moby Apotheosis w/MC Romeo Romeo Merge Disintigrator A Priori DJ's (DC): DJ's (NYC): Micheal Meacham Frankie Bones Earic Patten Adam X Scott Henry Jimmy Crash Tom T. Mr Kleen Lieven de Geyndt Jason Jinks Special Guest DJ: Joey Beltram Wilmer's Park Brandywine, MD Take Beltway 495 to Branch Ave (exit 7a South) to Route 381 (Brandywine Rd). Follow to Wilmer's Park Beer & Wine, Smart Bar Moon Bounce, Merry-go-Round Elaborate Light Show An outdoor rave. Probably going to be one of the largest on the east coast this summer. Expected crowd of 4000 ravers. $15 For more info call: (202) 331-4469 - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 14 Jun 92 23:46:05 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (poof! blam) Subject: Re: "How's the Crowd" Ack, no there's no dress codes.. Most of the people who go to clubs toss on spiffy club wear (Read as art-school dropouts) or they wear rave wear (i.e. clobber/sboreck/etc..) Most of the people I know consider lycra to be _tacky_ as hell.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 14 Jun 92 23:50:35 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (poof! blam) Subject: Portland rave review (sort of long, and sort of late) Well, let's see.. I typed this review of the rave in Portland,ME, when I was riding in the car back home (I had my computer with me.. :) ) so here goes... -begin- "Pure" Rave report! [Portland,ME] ---------------------------------------------------------------- Okay, so here we sit in the car, (god damn don't you hate it when you're a weenie) and you've got your computer in your lap, and you're on I295 South, heading towards Boston (About 6:35 AM! right now), and when we left , it was still going strong, supposedly to be moved to the beach (which one, I don't know).. Ack. I feel like hell, but it was completely worth it. Cutter's Driving, I'm typing, our newly found friend Sarah is about to fall asleep in the backseat, [the mosquitoes were crazy. She's bitten all over her legs].. We don't feel fatigue! We're really awake... Cutter says "I feel like I just woke up!" DJ's were great, people as always, were friendly! and There was a serious amount of energy. In the beginning of the night, They had a 2nd room open in a adjacent club (The WhereHouse) and played Techno for 16-year old and under high-school-artsy-types, with the main club being open only to 21+ At about 1:30 AM, they made the main club open to everyone, and WhereHouse started playing typical "top-40 alternative"... We set up our lazer systems and whatnot in the larger room at Zoots, which had a more than comfortable lighting board and sound system.... Only left the rave once, (they were allowing people to leave and come back, which was amazingly nice!), and that was to take a 20 minute walk into the middle of portland to find a pizza place. We were STARVED and had to go get food (Approx 12:30)... It was great... The promoter (Chris) says that they'll be having a "Field Trip" rave soon *outdoors!*... More details as I get them. 'till then, prepare yourselves for New York's STORM RAVE 5!!! *glancing up* Just passing a sign for Saco,ME now... Hopefully I'll upload this to the net which I get back. Excuse any delays... See Ya! P.S.. We're passing the wonderful collection of Maine Turnpike Stupidity signs.... I.e. "Watch for Moose" "Follow at a Safe Distance", "Drive Carefully", "Dom't Tailgate". If you've seen them, you know what I mean... rave on? - John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 09:17:22 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: Re: "How's the Crowd" >Most of the people I know consider lycra to be _tacky_ as hell.. good cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk Only 4 more days intil I'm back in the bay state [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 08:22:07 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: "Tired" fashion trend.. Shirt seen at a rave here in SF Saturday night.. In the style of the detergent...a shirt with a picture of a box on the front, reading.. "Tired" fashion trend.. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 11:18:03 EDT From: "wendy" Subject: rave dress codes Well, here it is! The official: Steps to Becoming a Trendy Rave Chick (or Rooster :) 1. make sure you are wearing some kind of hat. preferably baseball types with assorted sayings on them like Stussy. This is your way of telling the world you know where to shop. 2. shorts, usually that come down to the knees, sometimes ripped, some with kool silk screening on them that tell the world what a slut you are or how you believe in bucking the system, preferably words like fuck you and kill corporate pigs or something as pleasants. 3. t-shirt. these vary widely and can be anything from concert t's (the norm) or soem other vicious message that you wish to convey. 4. doc marten's shoes or boots, of course. What good is a trendy chick/rooster without them? 5. no socks with your doc's, please. 6. necklace dangling around your neck. usually a peace symbol, ankh, or crystals signifying your love of people and hate for racism, etc. which make non-trendy people think you are one of those god-aweful people who actually *believe* in some of the better things people have to offer each other instead of hate and violence. Imagine that! 7. hair color that is definitely not your own. Usually dyed pitch black or bleached blonde or any other assorted rainbow color that you feel like adorning your crown with. Did I mention shaved, too? O yes, don'tforget to *shave* something. You wouldn't want to miss out on being really and truly trendy, now, would you? 8. black make-up that redefines our social boundaries. usually black which makes your eyes look really neato :) well, kids, that's all I can think of. Can you think of anything I missed? I think I got it all. Any questions? Please call 617-trendy1 and ask for Mr. T. C. Orrooster. :) wendy :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 11:32:14 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: NYC rave this is what camper has heard about Stormrave 5. 13 DJ's, 3 bands it coincides with the new music seminar in NYC, so we could see some totally insane people there. ok, so i don't know that much about it. a group of friends and i are taking a van there, but i believe it's full already. stay groovy, -camper [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 12:08:10 EDT From: Ciamac Moallemi Subject: NYC rave camper> this is what camper has heard about Stormrave 5. camper> 13 DJ's, 3 bands camper> it coincides with the new music seminar in NYC, so we could see some camper> totally insane people there. What are the dates for this? I just got back from seeing T99 at the Limelight in NYC, talk about a PACKED club. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 13:16:34 -0400 From: olver@buphy.bu.edu (Molly Olver) Subject: NYC rave Bad Camper, bad Camper. The date for Storm Rave 5 is June 20 (this coming Saturday). We'll have to call him Dan for punishment. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: rave dress codes From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 10:21:21 PDT thus spake "wendy": >Steps to Becoming a Trendy Rave Chick (or Rooster :) > >1. make sure you are wearing some kind of hat. preferably baseball >types with assorted sayings on them like Stussy. This is your way >of telling the world you know where to shop. in SF, the real rave style is to wear those big puffy mad hatter type hats. baseball caps are quite common, however. >2. shorts, usually that come down to the knees, sometimes ripped, >some with kool silk screening on them that tell the world what >a slut you are or how you believe in bucking the system, preferably >words like fuck you and kill corporate pigs or something as >pleasants. lycra is plentiful. long pants are not uncommon. but the REAL rave wear is overalls. big baggy ones! they've got lots of pockets for emergency smart drugs, candy, gum, rave flyers, etc... plus they afford lots of freedom of movement. and you don't have to wear a shirt. >3. t-shirt. these vary widely and can be anything from concert t's >(the norm) or soem other vicious message that you wish to convey. of course, the psychedelic ameba clothing look (ultra trendy ravewear store on haight street) is omnipresent. (see mondo 2000 issue 4 (i think) for a photo-essay featuring lots of people wearing ameba wear). also, anarchist associated (or whatever they're called) have a very popular line of shirts. my favorite is the ubiquitous green one with "ec*sta*sy" in orange, with the dictionary def. of "ecstasy" on the front. on the sleeves it sez: "E GOES IN - EGOS OUT" >4. doc marten's shoes or boots, of course. What good is a trendy >chick/rooster without them? yup. >5. no socks with your doc's, please. never noticed. >6. necklace dangling around your neck. usually a peace symbol, >ankh, or crystals signifying your love of people and hate for >racism, etc. no no no! real ravers wear BEADS. big funky chunky clunky beads. >7. hair color that is definitely not your own. Usually dyed >pitch black or bleached blonde or any other assorted rainbow >color that you feel like adorning your crown with. Did I >mention shaved, too? O yes, don'tforget to *shave* something. >You wouldn't want to miss out on being really and truly trendy, >now, would you? > >8. black make-up that redefines our social boundaries. usually >black which makes your eyes look really neato :) 7 and 8 are for INDUSTRIAL GOTH types, not rave types. ravers would never wear all black! true ravers wear gaudy blitzes of crazed colors. how else are you going to distract the trippers? well i realize that "wendy"'s article was a joke, but i thought you NE types would enjoy some input from the SF rave scene. the great thing about the scene is that no matter how `normal' or `weird' you dress, people just accept you for who you are. well, that's the true spirit of raving, anyway. there are always poseurs there to make an impression and not to get into the community spirit, but they are fortunately outnumbered by the happy generous souls who are there to dance and spread positive energy. rave on. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note the deficiencies, then file them under "commonplace." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1992 13:27:38 -0400 From: alrashid@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu Subject: Suggesting a new person to be addes... Would add my friend to your mailing list, thank you. mmk3@po.cwru.edu Tareq. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1992 13:34:41 -0400 From: alrashid@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu Subject: Anything going on in NYC...? I am going to be in the NYC on Jun.15,16 and I was wondering if anything interesting was going be happenning during two nights. Thanks, Tareq. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: messiah From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 10:36:27 PDT >Any tips for us people whom are _making_ techno? erm... well... no. what, you want me to give away all my amazing secrets? oh, ok, just a few. basically, all you need is one good sampler and one good analog synth. everything else is optional. if you're doing the hardcore moby/apotheosis/messiah/t99 thing, you probably want a distortion pedal or at least a good compressor. sampling opera seems to be de rigeur - so i'd avoid it like the plague. my favorite hardcore tracks are messiah's "There is No Law", Moby's "Go (rainforest mix)" and UHF "UHF3" (which is actually another Moby alias). listen to them. basically, hardcore should be FAST - 128 to 131 bpm. and full of weird noises. (check out UHF again. damn that's awesome!! i have no clue how he got most of those sounds.) if you're doing just regular techno, you can get down to about 123 bpm. always think about energy flow. consider John Q. Raver on the dance floor wiggling his butt for ten hours straight. your record comes on. if it's just 131bpm POUND POUND POUND for eight minutes, John is not going to be able to dance to it and chances are he'll HATE YOU AND ALL YOUR DESCENDENTS. give the guy a break - think about how to build up the energy to an incredible orgasmic release. or just maintain a level of constant sensuality. you can certainly go for the 131 bpm BLAM BLAM effect, if you really want, but don't just do it as a matter of course. sampling 4AD seems to be very popular right now. there's a buttload of records with bits of Les Mystere Des Voix Bulgares (check out "TZ-1", my favorite! really deep acid house.) of course, future sound of london's immensely popular "papua new guinea" uses Dead Can Dance. and the new messiah track "temple of dreams" uses This Mortal Coil (really badly I might add). to make you drool a little, i'll list off the equipment we used in the making of our first 12" (which should be out this week, i hope!!): ensoniq EPS (old style), sequential circuits MAX (ancient analog synth, baby brother of the Six-Trak), oberheim matrix-6, ensoniq ESQ-M (for the wavetable sound). we used the fuck out of the EPS. that thing is amazingly flexible. we had the output expander sending to a biamp mixing console. used all 8 channels instantly. good effects are a must, but if you're buying new equipment, you can get stuff that has built in effects. we've now got an Ensoniq EPS 16 PLUS Turbo and it has its own effects, although they're very hard to use. also, the new EPS output expander is only six outs (three stereo pairs). i think i liked the old one better. of course, the new one is much faster and cleaner sounding. not like you can tell... enough blab. send me some tapes and i'll give you some constructive criticism. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The looking glass distorts through overuse. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 19:38:18 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk >in SF, the real rave style is to wear those big puffy mad hatter type >hats. baseball caps are quite common, however. Not that I agree with it, but in the U.K. alot of clubs will give you the old - "wanker, probably saw the "Hardcore ya know da score" advert and thinks he knows the scene" look, well I've been in the scene since blah blah blah and we used to have to walk 3 miles in the snow just to.." But who cares? They just "don't know da score". >lycra is plentiful. long pants are not uncommon. but the REAL rave >wear is overalls. big baggy ones! they've got lots of pockets for >emergency smart drugs, candy, gum, rave flyers, etc... plus they >afford lots of freedom of movement. and you don't have to wear a >shirt. Like it, Like it. Bloody baggy colorful jeans are what's seems to be the most popular here for a couple of reasons: Comfortable (isn't that the whole idea), big pockets 8'), and its get cold here at night! But I REALLY dig the overalls idea, especially the pockets and no shirt deal. T-shirts that are pop are: Tag Heuer (the watch, I think its just the design that is attractive), all types of sweets especially "Smarties, Only Smarties have the Answer" and "Jelly Babies". And if you go up to Manchester some of the logos you see have no real explanation, (the best ones in my opinion). By the way, do you get taken at the shops in the way of price. A bloody t-shirt here (long sleeve mind you, that's about all they sell) goes for about 20 pounds (ie. $35). >4. doc marten's shoes or boots, of course. What good is a trendy >chick/rooster without them? >yup. That one is beyond me, I know that they were big with the industrial crowd, but it seems so anti-rave to me. They are not what I would want to where dancing all night, why not just grap a pair of wing-tips? Here it's comfy trainers (sneakers to us yanks), in Manchester Adiddas Gazelle's are/have been the most popular along with red nikes and the like. Here, raves all about color it seems. (makes sense to me) never noticed. I know that basically EVERYONE in University sports a pair of DM's so maybe it was too associated with normality? >6. necklace dangling around your neck. usually a peace symbol, >ankh, or crystals signifying your love of people and hate for >racism, etc. >no no no! real ravers wear BEADS. big funky chunky clunky beads. I never really noticed, but I do notice AN AWFUL LOT OF WHISTLES around people's necks. Is this done in the US? People blow them all night. It's never been my bag though, too busy dancing and enjoying the show. >well i realize that "wendy"'s article was a joke, but i thought you NE >types would enjoy some input from the SF rave scene. the great thing >about the scene is that no matter how `normal' or `weird' you dress, >people just accept you for who you are. well, that's the true spirit >of raving, anyway. there are always poseurs there to make an >impression and not to get into the community spirit, but they are >fortunately outnumbered by the happy generous souls who are there to >dance and spread positive energy. I like the SF style (no offense), that's the problem in the U.K. now, its not as "happy" as it once was. It's really too bad. I know that the scene in Manchester has been seriously damaged by gang problems as have a few other raves. The best ones are the ones where there's no kick offs and the only people who bug you are the ones who want to rub vics on your neck (do they do that in the US, boy that one took me by surprise the first time). >rave on. Okay, done. Cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk only 3 more days until I'm back in the bay state [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 14:52:50 EDT From: smgjm7c%buacca.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: TRENDY I SAY I meant my last letter to be entirely tongue-in-cheek!!! I made the big mistake of saying rave dress wear instead of TRENDY dress wear and i mean TRENDY. get it/?? TRENDY TRENDY TRENDY TRENDY TRENDY TRENDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just hate it when I'm being ENTIRELY tongue-in-cheek and someone comes along and says, well actually it's this way.... blah blah blah i don't care. sorry but i would rather you not say anything to ruin my joyous mood at being tongue-in- cheek rather than correcting me. Thank you for you support. wendy :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 20:36:56 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk Subject: Trendy.. Nah.. Hope my question about "dress codes" didn't start any scuffles. I just didn't want to walk into a club wearing whatever the latest in g-string technology and have Peter the Bouncer say (in your best London cockney): "Not tonight, you're not coming in, you're not on the list". Hey if they let me I'd go nude, seriously, why not? Maybe some sort of "support" to prevent any injuries, like... the latest in g-string tech. Anyway... cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 14:08:27 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: rave dress codes Huh? Except for the shorts (none of which are ripped, btw) I don't fit ANY of those rave fashion musts! And most people I know don't go like that. I usually go in: (oh god this is going to stereotype me for sure) shorts (mid-thigh height, maybe longer, a solid color) t-shirts (anything, more often than not a tye-dye because they look k00l in black lights, but it doesn't matter usually because I also wear: one of those Mexican pullovers that look like potato sacks (but are actually very soft, and have the benefit of keeping me warm when it's cold but also cool me off when I'm dancing) dirty tennis shoes, no socks (these are incredibly fun to dance in, IMHO. Any shoe with a slick surface just makes it harder to dance) an assortment of my (soon to be marketed worldwide) found-art jewelry collective featuring a pair of diving goggles (the kind all the swimming racers wear) to strapping a bungee cord to one of those beacons that sit on top of traffic thingees, the kind that flash... and using a pen-flashlight to simulate that flashing really gets GREAT looks from others 8^) Basically, anything goes (of course, this is SF...) but I try not to worry about it too much. Anything loose that allows you to dance while showing some amount of creativity..... Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Jun 1992 18:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: the mighty prune man Subject: Tie dye advice? Anyone here have any experience with tie-dying? I have a few questions: 1: What's a brand name for a good quality dye and where can I get it? 2: Is there a FAQ list, mailing list or newsgroup where I can get more info on this subject? Twas worth a try. -p r u n e [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 18:44 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: Tie dye advice? I suggest RIT brand fabric dye. You can get it at just about any fabric or arts-and-crafts store. Look in the Yellow Pages under Fabric, Sewing, or Craft Supplies. Wear rubber gloves unless you want to look like your shirt. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 15 Jun 1992 19:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: the mighty prune man Subject: Re: Tie dye advice? laura@usl.com writes: I suggest RIT brand fabric dye. You can get it at just about any fabric or arts-and-crafts store. Look in the Yellow Pages under Fabric, Sewing, or Craft Supplies. Wear rubber gloves unless you want to look like your shirt. Laura -And where is the Prune Man? What's your experience with Rit been? I've heard some funny things about its quality; problems with colorfastness and rapid fading, not to mention funny colored underwear and socks if washed with the dyed article. However, it is widely available, and I may end up settling for Rit. I've heard about other dyes and I was wondering if there was someone who'd recommend others. I believe that there's a brand somewhere called "Grateful Dyes" that are supposed to be of exceptionally good quality. Thanks for the advice (thus far) and for the speedy reply. -p r u n e [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 23:35:00 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (fire in the engine rooom) Subject: Re: rave dress codes Where did you come up with RoosteR? -- John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 23:38:22 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (fire in the engine rooom) Subject: Re: NYC rave Camper --> you going in our van? (i.e. bill, steph, etc...?) About storm rave 5.. This Saturday night, go to _GROOVE RECORDS_ in Brooklyn. I don't have directions. call them. I'm sure they're in the phone book. Pay approx. $10-$12 a head there, and receive a map with directions/map points to the actual rave site. Estimated people: 5000+ I had no idea that they were having bands... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 15 Jun 92 23:43:11 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (fire in the engine rooom) Subject: Re: NYC rave And to think that he _hates_ that... :) Don't you, Dan? -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 92 00:00:43 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (fire in the engine rooom) Subject: Re: TRENDY I SAY Oh, hell, but you started a decent thread.... :) I usually wear whatever the hell I have laying around when I go to raves. I really don't dress for them. Although I'd love to own a cat-in-the-hat hat.... Except they're approx $75.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 92 00:03:07 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (fire in the engine rooom) Subject: Re: rave dress codes I'm working on a bunch of pins that will respond to the throbbing audio in a club... I've still got a prototype , and the electronics are a bit tricky, but it's functional... and they look way-cool... Makes really good trippy rave wear... if only I could reduce the battery requirements... :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 92 09:14:02 +0100 From: sk5@ukc.ac.uk >i don't wear doc martins. i went out and bought a pair of incredibly >cushioned padded fluffy FILA high top basketball sneaks at the local >flea market (black market knockoffs or actual stolen goods sold cheap! >filas are $90 in the shops, and i talked the guy down to $38...) Yeah, the FILA's are REAL popular here. They make some pretty trippy shoes. Me mate just picked up this white/black pair with the strangest angled sole, it looks like you're standing on wedges! But the big thing is I guess they are dead comfortable! I've got myself a pair of addidas gazelle's (sp?) which are low top, but bright blue and comfortable as hell. >Ugh. Whistles are ubiquitous at SF raves. I hate them. Absolutely >fucking hate them. Lots of flyers for upcoming events say NO WHISTLES >on them. I don't know if this has actually been effective in stemming >the tide of the noisemakers. I don't really like it - it's not good >policy to start forbidding things. I would prefer for the whistle fad >to just die out on its own. Yeah I agree, they also blow those obnoxious horns, one of those buggers in your ear for a few hours can blow your mood a bit. >vicks isn't big over here. my friend had a little portable battery >powered electro vibrating massage unit (about the size of a pack of >cigarettes). i went around the dance floor applying the buzzing unit >to the back of people's necks. you could spot the ravers on ecstasy >very easily that way. great way to make new friends! The vics thing is dual purposed over here, it DOES cool you down (makes you smell alittle odd on the bus ride home but, hey) and those on X say it intensifies it? Don't know about the truth there, sounds sorta "drink it though a straw, you'll get more drunk". You know those Altern8 style masks? From what I'm told, the reason they got popular was people were stuff them with vics to inhale all night. Cheers, stefan sk5@ukc.ac.uk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 92 09:22 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: ORBIT in Baltimore on Thursday Anyone going? Has anyone been to a rave put on by these people before? A friend and I are seriously considering driving the 3 1/2 hours to Baltimore on Thursday night to attend . . . . Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 92 09:39 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: NYC rave To save everyone a call to information and a call to Groove Records, I have their phone number and address: (718) - 714 - 5232 64 Avenue U Brooklyn, NY How you get there depends on where you are coming from. I've got some maps right with me, so if you want you can email me for directions. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: kicks like a mule From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Tue, 16 Jun 92 10:15:15 PDT stefan spake: >Yeah, the FILA's are REAL popular here. They make some pretty trippy >shoes. Me mate just picked up this white/black pair with the strangest >angled sole, it looks like you're standing on wedges! But the big >thing is I guess they are dead comfortable! I've got myself a pair >of addidas gazelle's (sp?) which are low top, but bright blue and >comfortable as hell. yup. they make your feet feel like they've been in a sweatbox for a year after the rave, but while you're on that floor bouncing up and down, they provide incredible support. >Yeah I agree, they also blow those obnoxious horns, one of those >buggers in your ear for a few hours can blow your mood a bit. yup. fortunately the air horns are rare... but they are damn annoying when they are around. >The vics thing is dual purposed over here, it DOES cool you down (makes >you smell alittle odd on the bus ride home but, hey) if you don't smell odd after seven hours of continuous dancing in a dank sweaty smoke- or chemical-fog-filled club, then you're doing something wrong. >and those on X say it intensifies it? Don't know about the truth >there, sounds sorta "drink it though a straw, you'll get more drunk". hmmm, i'll have to try it out and get back to you on that one. basically, there's very little that *doesn't* intensify an X experience. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 16 Jun 92 18:09:38 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: ORBIT in Baltimore I've never been to the Orbit raves, but DJ Scott Henry and DJ Tom T. play at the Catastrophic Raves in DC. I don't know how the promoters will organize it, but the music should be good. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 20 Jun 92 07:36:52 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Raving Weekend in DC It will be full time raving this weekend in DC. The Catastrophic Rave on Friday, and the FUTURE rave on Saturday. Jean Phillipe Aviance returns to DC for the Catastrophic Rave. He's the first DJ to introduce Techno to DC. He played Wednesdays at the Vault and on Sunday's at Kindergarten. Merge is probably DC's best Techno band. They're better than most live techno acts because they integrate visuals with the music. FUTURE will be the first outdoor rave DC's hosted. 12 DJ's from NYC and DC, plus live performances from Moby and Apotheossis. 10pm-10am. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 21 Jun 92 19:09:47 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (this is where it all begins) Subject: Re: human resource I head moby DJ's and uses keyboards at the same time... anyone ever seen him live? --john [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 21 Jun 92 19:11:12 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (this is where it all begins) Subject: Re: DC rave, Friday June 26 I've got information for _two_ DC raves coming up... Special K and Future... I think Future is next week... who's got a flyer? type it in...! --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sun, 21 Jun 92 21:47:34 -0400 From: cutter@silver.lcs.mit.edu (don't techno for an answer) Subject: for 100% pure raving power! Pyramid Productions FUTURE For 100% Pure Raving Power $13 with pass $15 without performing live M O B Y APOTHEOSSIS with mind controller MC ROMEO ROMEO and special guest appearances by MERGE DISINTIGRATOR A PRIORI futuristic dj's DC: micheal scott earic tom lieven MEACHAM HENRY PATTEN T DE GEYNDT NYC: frankie adam jimmy mr. jason BONES X CRASH KLEEN JINKS w i t h special guest dj j o e y b e l t r a m whirl and twirl on the MERRY GO ROUND walk in XTC on the MOON BOUNCE $ 2 enlighten your senses at BEER & WINE DC's FIRST AND ONLY *SMART BAR* $ 3 the LARGEST, most ELABORATE, SHOOTERS STIMULATING LIGHT SHOW EVER IN DC J U N E 2 7 1 0 P M T O 1 0 A M WILMER'S PARK * BRANDYWINE, MD promotions by XCENTRIC productions DJ REESE DANTE MAURE X CUBED brought to you by PYRAMID PRODUCTIONS Beltway 495 to Branch Ave (Exit 7a south) to route 381 (Brandywine Rd) follow to Wilmer's Park 202-331-4469 So says the flyer..... /joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 03:29:04 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: FUTURE Here's the flyer info: F U T U R E Saturday, June 27 10 PM - 10 AM Performing Live: Moby Apotheosis w/MC Romeo Romeo Merge Disintigrator A Priori DJ's (DC): DJ's (NYC): Micheal Meacham Frankie Bones Earic Patten Adam X Scott Henry Jimmy Crash Tom T. Mr Kleen Lieven de Geyndt Jason Jinks Special Guest DJ: Joey Beltram Wilmer's Park Brandywine, MD Take Beltway 495 to Branch Ave (exit 7a South) to Route 381 (Brandywine Rd). Follow to Wilmer's Park Beer & Wine, Smart Bar Moon Bounce, Merry-go-Round Elaborate Light Show An outdoor rave. Probably going to be one of the largest on the east coast this summer. Expected crowd of 4000 ravers. $15 For more info call: (202) 331-4469 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Moby Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 6:51:08 MDT > I head moby DJ's and uses keyboards at the same time... anyone ever seen him live? I saw him open for the Shamen in LA. He did use a keyboard, but I didn't see any DJ tables. As I remember, he only had one keyboard and possibly a controller of somesort. He was playing a lot of the lines, then he either had a DAT or a sequenced backing. Then he shouts things like "Get your hands up in the air mother-fuckers!!" This sounds stupid, but it was GREAT. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 09:54:41 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: Strorm Rave Review This past saturday was the latest in the series of storm raves in NYC. It was located in a wharehouse behind a shopping center, which is the sane location as the last storm rave. many of the big-name dj's from NYC were there, and others from california and germany. almost all the music was hardcore. the space was pretty groovy, and for a whiloe the whole wharehouse was packed. although most of the people i went with will disagree, i thought generally the crowd was really nice and friendly. (people were kicked out for slam- dancing, however.) from the boston perspective, about 40 people went from here, 31 of us were together, and a bunch of others we saw there. i think that there could have been a lot more "happy techno" i.e. garage, housy stuff, as we get here. but the triumph of the night was that the boston crowd kept dancing all night long, staying until the very end (9AM), and yours truly was the last person on the dance floor. (forgive me while i toot my own horn). anyone want to go to baltimore? -camper. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 13:37:20 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Boston Ravers Great job! 40 ravers making the road trip to NYC. Hope to see the crew at Future this weekend - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 19:36:51 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (from the flagstones) Subject: Re: Raving Weekend in DC I just got a couple flyers for that, and one for a bus ride from NY to DC.. Really nice flyers too... all blue and looking like the floor-wax bottle of future.. :) How late is it running? I heard most of the DC raves end at _2_! -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 19:41:08 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (from the flagstones) Subject: Re: Moby Sort of what of the techno bands did at Storm Rave... Except that they had nice drum loops on their ensoniq , and all sorts of vintage synth gear... I loved it.. :) Too bad the storm rave crew had to _hold the stage in place_ while the bands played... :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 19:43:22 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (from the flagstones) Subject: Re: Strorm Rave Review Oh , god, my legs gave out around 8:00 am, and I headed outa there... I'm looking for anyone who has a tape of anything by Casper Pound... His DJ work is Amazing... sort of "scary Techno"... Very cool.. he went up at SR around 6/7 AM... *wow!* I'd love to go to baltimore, but its way too expensive..I have zero $$... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 01:09:08 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (up down turn around, please don't let me hit the ground) Subject: Re: Raving Weekend in DC Anyone go to the rave in New York Tonight? (It's tuesday, ya fools..:) ) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 01:10:12 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (up down turn around, please don't let me hit the ground) Subject: Tuesday rave / NY Anyone go to the rave in NY this evening? Where was it / how was it? I was going to go but I'mn still recovering from Storm Rave.. :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 01:15:48 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (up down turn around, please don't let me hit the ground) Subject: Re: silly rabbit those trax are for kids sounds like a compiliation CD that I have from "Polygram Label Group" (Yeay, yet another record-store bennie) and IT's got ce ce peniston, LaTour, and like, two industrial bands on it.. it's _warped_, but I suppose its yet another promotional marketing tool... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 11:44:44 PDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: silly rabbit those trax are for kids What if you hadn't discovered the "mainstream" stuff on the CD until after you listened to it and found yourself enjoying it? Would you go and buy a ce ce peniston album or would you say a few "Hail Mary"s and hope that no one else noticed you? - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1992 13:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Simon Peter Gatrall Subject: Re: silly rabbit those trax are for kids Uh, I admit it, in addition to nosebleed techno, I happen to like a few stupid things like "Finally," Crystal Waters' "Gypsy Woman," Deee-Lite and Madonna. Although, I have seen the compilation you're talking about, and I agree your money would be better spent elsewhere. Then again I avoid pop radio, and pop nights at clubs. This whole painful top 40 thing is relative. When I first heard Black Box "Everybody Everybody" and Deee-Lite's "What is Love" it was in the Roxy in NYC. In the middle of that underground madhouse with half naked drugged out people and drag queens, I really enjoyed those songs, and couldn't imagine that they would go top 40 months later. I guess what Dan and I are trying to say, is that you're entitled to dislike something, but disliking something purely because it's pop is silly. -Simon Gatrall sg1q+@andrew.cmu.edu SRL disclaimer: 'It's pure research, which is about creating more problems than you solve.' -- Mark Pauline [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 14:42:28 PDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: silly rabbit those trax are for kids And besides, in the current pop market, where Garth Brooks and Nirvana rub elbows, *anything* is possible. Part of my current philosophy that all noise is music and all music is noise is based on the absurd genre-loyalty that seems to be so prevalent these days. Dance music people and folkies run neck and neck currently for being the least willing to experiment musically. It seems to me that one of the appeals of rave culture in general is a kind of open-mindedness that invites people to participate rather than to feel excluded. If this is so, it represents a radical and highly welcome change in the dance scene. Perhaps we should open ourselves up musically as well and embrace anything that happens to sound good, regardless of who it's by. When I hear Techno, I hear all sorts of interesting influences and interviews with the musicians seem to bear this out - so why can't the fans take that cue? Free your mind and your ass will follow. My record collection has space for everything from techno to Sandy Denny. Our own Joe Turner can rave with the best of 'em, but will can also wax eloquent for hours on the charms of old Genesis and Duran Duran. - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Some ruminations Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 18:40:29 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU [This was cross-posted to sfraves.] It's not uncommon for people who are involved in their first underground music culture to become True Believers in it. Some of the thinking ones, as they get older and live through successive such movements become more relativistic (ie. mellow with age). Despite the claims for rave being non-exclusive, I've seen a number of postings in the fairly recent past that very strongly remind me of the `disco sucks' posturing which precipitated the `classic rock radio' now so inescapable all over the country. Techno, apparently, is the One True Music (*derivative* though it is). More chilling, perhaps, is what I perceive as a strong misogynist undercurrent, not too different from the most distasteful of the metalheads, headbangers and rappers out there. To avoid (I hope) having this lead to some kind of pissing contest, the following quotes are included without attribution: > Within the realm of techno, I tend to like the stuff that sounds like > it was made by a berserk Kraftwerk or, better yet, a computer - no human > intervention. I tend not to like stuff with piano breaks or house divas > ("shut the f*ck up bitch, you can't sing"). Since she's not being submissive & quiet, like a good girl, why not give her a good whack, eh? > then jan cooley came on. as mike said to me, "you mix better than she > does." she played a lot of the wailing diva crap that drives me absolutely > bonkers, so i spent some time walking around in early morning light and > watching the taxicabs melt. Now, obviously, peoples tastes run differently, but when I see statements like this, I can't help read them as misogynist at least, potentially racist (many of those `wailing divas' are black - is *that* the problem?), or possibly full-bore misanthropic like the S&D (shit & death) crowd promoted by Forced Exposure et al. The other trap that the underground music True Believer tends to fall into is the attitude that less-commercial = aesthetically, intellectually or morally superior. F'rinstance: > I saw this comp which was really quite silly - it had techno or rave in > the title, and had good recent tracks from Altern8 and Praga Khan, but it > also had Ce Ce Petiston's [sic] finally on it. Is this a joke or what? > I put it back in the bin, and knew that the day would come when I could get > what I wanted without *fluff*. > Uh, I admit it, in addition to nosebleed techno, I happen to like a few > *stupid* things like "Finally," Crystal Waters' "Gypsy Woman," Deee-Lite > and Madonna. [Ed note - *emphasis* added in the above two quotes.] >From which I guess we can conclude that `nosebleed techno' has artistic content, and Crystal Waters, Deee-Lite and so on do *not*, so one should feel guilty for indulging in them. > When I first heard Black Box "Everybody Everybody" and Deee-Lite's "What is > Love" it was in the Roxy in NYC. In the middle of that underground madhouse > with half naked drugged out people and drag queens, I really enjoyed those > songs, and couldn't imagine that they would go top 40 months later. So as art, this music has value only insofar as the great (presumaby philistine) masses show no interest, or even better, evidence outright dislike? And then there are the soul-searching questions and partial answers: > When I hear Techno, I hear all sorts of interesting influences and > interviews with the musicians seem to bear this out - so why can't the > fans take that cue? > My guess as to what happened is that those people who were outsiders > found the rave culture, embraced it, and started to enjoy feeling like > they were a Part Of Something. So now they're turning it around and > saying, "well, we are the older ravers. we're in THE SCENE. you can't > be." Maybe I'm pessimistic, but it seems like a basic part of human > nature is the need for exclusivity, to feel like you're onto some Big > Secret Wonderful Thing that nobody else is. Well, it might be the `outsiders' and it might not. My money goes with NOT. I've seen this very exclusivity and elitism in every underground music movement I've known. My conclusions, from years of observation, are that it is usually the younger (first-time) scenesters that get so dogmatic about things, and, ironically, often put their noses up at the precursors of the very things they hold so dear. The musicians, on the other hand, tend to be more open, and aware of how deep the roots go, and how wide they spread. There's no way around this problem. It always happens. The scene will eventually fade. The dogmatists will grow up and lose their blinders. But by then, there'll be a new crop of experimentalists and their True Believing followers. BFD. -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: 24-JUN-1992 18:31:00.27 From: TVANES@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Subject: whistle while you work Well, that is a very interesting response set to my note. I was not slamming Ce Ce Petiston, I happen to hum along to Finally a lot, and to others in that vein. This is not the problem - I object to it being marketed as "new" and as "techno" because it is not really either. All I was saying is this - putting songs like this on a disk billed as techno is gonna dismay those who were looking for something else, true techno, and may cause others to call songs like "Finally" (which has been around for what, 4 months or more?) techno when it really isn't. Yes, they have the inalienable right to call it how they dam well please, and I won't quibble with someone who voices that opinion in my presence, but I won't agree with them either, unless it was one heck of a remix. I just am questioning the record companies' motives in putting stuff like this on a disk, when they could be using valuable space to put truly original new stuff on a disk, and therefore satisfy the needs of the lonely isolated midwesterner.... Sigh.... peace and how ya be? Tasha [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Some ruminations From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 16:15:32 PDT `jaded jim' puccio writes: >Despite the claims for rave being non-exclusive, I've seen a number of >postings in the fairly recent past that very strongly remind me of the >`disco sucks' posturing which precipitated the `classic rock radio' now >so inescapable all over the country. Er, are you talking about raves, the events or techno, the music? There is no such thing as "rave music." >Techno, apparently, is the One True Music (*derivative* though it >is). More chilling, perhaps, is what I perceive as a strong >misogynist undercurrent, not too different from the most distasteful >of the metalheads, headbangers and rappers out there. I submit that your perceptions misogyny and racism say far more about you than they do about me or any of the other posters on this thread. I will endeavor to justify this attitude throughout the rest of the article. >> I tend not to like stuff with piano breaks or house divas >> ("shut the f*ck up bitch, you can't sing"). > >Since she's not being submissive & quiet, like a good girl, why not give her >a good whack, eh? the original writer wasn't saying anything about hitting the woman, (s)he quite clearly wrote "*I* tend not to like..." which is about as fair and impartial a statement as you could hope for. i find your inference of misogyny rather insulting to the original writer in fact. >> then jan cooley came on. as mike said to me, "you mix better than she >> does." she played a lot of the wailing diva crap that drives me absolutely >> bonkers, so i spent some time walking around in early morning light and >> watching the taxicabs melt. > >Now, obviously, peoples tastes run differently, but when I see statements >like this, I can't help read them as misogynist at least, potentially ^^^^^^^^^^ who's forcing you? can't you think for yourself or are you brainwashed by the PC movement? >racist (many of those `wailing divas' are black - is *that* the problem?), >or possibly full-bore misanthropic like the S&D (shit & death) crowd >promoted by Forced Exposure et al. that's my quote up there. again, i qualified my statement as heavily as i thought it needed to be reasonably interpreted by human beings with at least a minimum standard of intelligence, to whit: "that wailing diva crap that drives *me* absolutely bonkers." i wholly resent your implications that i am misogynystic or racist. as it transpires, there aren't any records in my collection by black women singers, but that's not through any program of deliberate misogyny or racism on my part. i just don't enjoy that style of music. >From which I guess we can conclude that `nosebleed techno' has >artistic content, and Crystal Waters, Deee-Lite and so on do *not*, >so one should feel guilty for indulging in them. more inference on your part. i saw nothing in the original quote that would lead inevitably to your conclusion. you do it again right here: >So as art, this music has value only insofar as the great (presumaby >philistine) masses show no interest, or even better, evidence >outright dislike? you seem to be superimposing your own personal agenda over this whole thread and i, for one, really resent it. you may apologize at your earliest convenience. >Well, it might be the `outsiders' and it might not. My money goes with NOT. >I've seen this very exclusivity and elitism in every underground music >movement I've known. everyone is an outsider at some point. my argument was that the outsiders become insiders and then start to like the feeling of insiderness too much, to the detriment of the scene. you said almost exactly the same thing right here: >My conclusions, from years of observation, are that it is usually the >younger (first-time) scenesters that get so dogmatic about things, >and, ironically, often put their noses up at the precursors of the >very things they hold so dear. we are in agreement on this point. it's almost like you're not reading very carefully. >The musicians, on the other hand, tend to be more open, and aware of >how deep the roots go, and how wide they spread. i'm a certified musician and beautiful person (first techno single out Any Day Now) so of course i'm aware of the roots. doesn't mean shit about my liking diva music (as i call it). this call for tolerance of all musical styles always reminds me of one of my favorite incidents in the jazz world, when charles mingus said of ornette coleman, "that dude couldn't play a straight c major scale." (paraphrased from memory). some people just don't Get It. maybe they just don't Like It. i demand that my right not to { Get | Like } It be respected. is there any reason in the world why i *must* enjoy diva music? as long as i don't interfere with the rights of the musicians to produce it and the public to consume it as they wish, i don't see the problem. it's like pete townsend said about rap: "it's not up to us to like it, it's not up to us to understand it, it's up to us to just get the hell out of the way." (paraphrased from memory) i hope my points are painfully clear now. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God I love this music - isn't it too dreamy? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 23:08:48 PDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Some ruminations From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU > It's not uncommon for people who are involved in their first underground > music culture to become True Believers in it. Some of the thinking ones, > as they get older and live through successive such movements become more > relativistic (ie. mellow with age). It's true in all movements, musical or otherwise. I've seen it happen with underground music, science fiction conventions, computer mailing lists, any and all "scenes" produce this behavior. > Now, obviously, peoples tastes run differently, but when I see statements > like this, I can't help read them as misogynist at least, potentially > racist (many of those `wailing divas' are black - is *that* the problem?), > or possibly full-bore misanthropic like the S&D (shit & death) crowd > promoted by Forced Exposure et al. Urm, FE sure gets bashed on the net a lot. I mean, sure they'll plug Lisa Suckdog and Lydia Lunch, but I swear, the stuff they really get all gooey over tends to be good, grungy psychedelic music, folk-rock (the particularly fey stuff), droning, repetitious stuff and good, sincere primitivism of all kinds. They like lots of sweet, happy bands (the 'K' scene (the REAL Seattle sound) is a big favorite) in addition to all the death dwarf stuff. Maybe their poor net rep is due to the fact that they almost completely ignore dance music. These are people who'd be horrified at a rave simply by the mere potential presence of thousands of college students (the bane of the FE aesthetic). Which shows that they're pretty small-minded too. I dunno. I'm still kind of in love with the idea that maybe, just maybe, rave culture represents the begining of a friendlier dance scene. I like the idea of big outdoor events where everyone just kind of grooves under the stars, it seems like a happy hippie vision but with intense dance music instead of second rate country rock. With time it could expand and encompass all sorts of interesting change, but then again maybe it will all just get boring, corporate and stupid. - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: winter@gressenhall.sw.stratus.com (Brian Winter) Subject: Re: Some ruminations Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 9:10:22 EDT > I like the idea of big outdoor events where everyone just kind > of grooves under the stars, it seems like a happy hippie vision but > with intense dance music instead of second rate country rock. With > time it could expand and encompass all sorts of interesting change, > but then again maybe it will all just get boring, corporate and > stupid. > My bets are on corporate and stupid. Will it be long before we see "1994 Summer Super Rave! Sponsored by Miller Beer!" ?? The rave scene to me seems like a marketeer's dream: large numbers of mostly white, mostly young people, with money to spend, gathered in one place, with all their attention focused. What more could you ask for? Questions like "Where can I find rave wear?" to me hint at a market that's ripe for profiteering. Rave wear?? Has it started already? I picture catalogs filled with expensive sunglasses, hats and sneakers : "RaveWear Inc." What I think might prevent the corporate profitmakers from swooping down with talons extended is if the scene remains dangerous. There needs to be something to put the general public on edge about all this, something which offends your average American's sensibilities about what is Right and Just. I think the drugs help. Talk I've seen in newspaper articles about the ravers creating a new "techno-shamanic" religion help too. What beer company wants their logo attached to something as freaky as that? Too frightening. Bob and Suzie Whitebread in Nowhere, Iowa might not like that. The complaints I've seen in alt.rave and ne-raves about the negative press coverage of the rave scene bewilder me. They should thank their lucky stars whenever an article appears that casts a rave as some sort of drug-fuelled satanic ritual. The kids get excited, Mom and Dad get frightened, and Beer Inc. gets nervous. Perfect! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 11:54:36 PDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Some ruminations From: winter@gressenhall.sw.stratus.com (Brian Winter) > My bets are on corporate and stupid. Will it be long before we see > "1994 Summer Super Rave! Sponsored by Miller Beer!" ?? The rave scene > to me seems like a marketeer's dream: large numbers of mostly white, > mostly young people, with money to spend, gathered in one place, with > all their attention focused. What more could you ask for? Before any real raves started up in New England, WFNX was touting one of their silly little Club MTV parties as "rave night". Prior to that, 'FNX had cashed in on rave culture (still does) with their "X nights", right down to vaguely promising "smart" drinks (the kind you can buy at package stores). > Questions like "Where can I find rave wear?" to me hint at a > market that's ripe for profiteering. Rave wear?? Has it started > already? I picture catalogs filled with expensive sunglasses, hats > and sneakers : "RaveWear Inc." I'm told that in San Francisco, this is the case already. The parallels with GDead culture are staggering - from a vaguely grassroots phenomenon to a marketable commodity, except that it tooks the Gratefuls 20 odd years to sell out their subculture. > What I think might prevent the corporate profitmakers from swooping > down with talons extended is if the scene remains dangerous. There > needs to be something to put the general public on edge about all > this, something which offends your average American's sensibilities > about what is Right and Just. I think the drugs help. Talk I've seen > in newspaper articles about the ravers creating a new "techno-shamanic" > religion help too. What beer company wants their logo attached to > something as freaky as that? Too frightening. Bob and Suzie Whitebread > in Nowhere, Iowa might not like that. I agree, as long as the culture itself maintains openness and free-spiritedness. Wouldn't it be neat if the attitudinally impaired stayed away from rave culture because it WASN'T exclusive and elitist enough? Do tell more about the "Techno Shamanism". I heard the term recently in association with a rather dreary SF band called World Entertainment War (preachy like Consolidated) the leader of which claims to be a "Techno Shaman". Hell, in my book Mark Pauline and the guys who put on Monster Truck (especially Truckasaurus!) rallies are TRUE techno Shamans, but what do I know? > The complaints I've seen in alt.rave and ne-raves about the negative > press coverage of the rave scene bewilder me. They should thank their > lucky stars whenever an article appears that casts a rave as some sort > of drug-fuelled satanic ritual. The kids get excited, Mom and Dad get > frightened, and Beer Inc. gets nervous. Perfect! You're forgetting that people also have a basic need to feel as if they are suffering. Has rave culture had its Altamont yet? That will change things a bit. - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1992 09:32:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Halligan Subject: Re: Some ruminations Just don't buy into it, it is that simple. Go to raves to have fun. Tape each others music instead of paying high record costs. Don't go to over-advertised raves or ones that cost over $8 or $10. Where what you want and don't but into the 70's fashion war revisited. The problem is many people do want to buy into it and we all do to some extent. But if we are all not mindless consumers and realize whats going down, and call the profiteers on their crap, then the positive rave NRG will prevail. This is not like the Grateful Dread.-dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 12:35:54 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: baltimore raves do not worry, boston will be represented at the raves in baltimore/DC this weekend. just wanted to let you know that i did finally find a way there.(P.S. the car is full-sorry.) -camper. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Some ruminations From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 10:57:26 PDT Brian Winter: >> Questions like "Where can I find rave wear?" to me hint at a >> market that's ripe for profiteering. Rave wear?? Has it started >> already? I picture catalogs filled with expensive sunglasses, hats >> and sneakers : "RaveWear Inc." Dan Parmenter: >I'm told that in San Francisco, this is the case already. There is a clothing store on Haight St called Ameba that does indeed sell very ravey clothes. They are at almost every rave, with a booth set up where you can buy their stuff. The items are kinda pricy, but not much more so than at any other trendy dress shop on Haight. Ameba also support the scene a lot - they give out information, are generally very friendly, and are putting on their own rave this weekend. They do mail order in case anyone on the east coast wants to have that classic SF Rave look. Try calling long distance info for their number - they're in the 415 area code. Dan Halligan: > Just don't buy into it, it is that simple. Go to raves to have fun. >Tape each others music instead of paying high record costs. Um... to an extent I'd say that's OK, but I'm having some moral qualms what with my soon-to-be-available techno record... >Don't go to >over-advertised raves or ones that cost over $8 or $10. Where what you >want and don't but into the 70's fashion war revisited. excellent advice. if people boycott the obviously commercial out-for-bucks events, then the underground will continue to flourish. i think that basically we'll have a split: the commercial aboveground raves will draw in the Live 105 (that's WFNX to you easterners) crowd, and the True Ravers will go to the private parties. The SF Raves mailing list is thinking about organizing its own rave - I think this is the direction that people should be moving in. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Suck on this, planet of noise bimbo! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: Some ruminations Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 12:09:50 MDT > >Don't go to > >over-advertised raves or ones that cost over $8 or $10. Where what you > >want and don't but into the 70's fashion war revisited. > > excellent advice. if people boycott the obviously commercial > out-for-bucks events, then the underground will continue to flourish. You guys are making me feel guilty for wanting to charge $10, but charging $5 instead. The first rave we had a $200 loss. The second one we barely broke even, and still felt like we lost money. This third one is going to be cheaper, but still $5. I'd like to blow the doors off for the fourth one, but would HAVE to charge $10 to expect to break even. I wish we had an attentive rave audience like you do on the coasts, but instead everyone just wants to get drunk. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 11:22:21 PDT From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Some ruminations > > Questions like "Where can I find rave wear?" to me hint at a > > market that's ripe for profiteering. Rave wear?? Has it started > > already? I picture catalogs filled with expensive sunglasses, hats > > and sneakers : "RaveWear Inc." > > I'm told that in San Francisco, this is the case already. The > parallels with GDead culture are staggering - from a vaguely > grassroots phenomenon to a marketable commodity, except that it tooks > the Gratefuls 20 odd years to sell out their subculture. OK, so there *are* two rave clothing stores in SF (Ameba Clothing and Behind the Post Office, both on Haight Street). Both are run by very friendly people who are truly interested in rave culture (and industrial culture too, but that's beside the point). Neither is in it to make lots and lots of money. (If you're curious, the Ameba owners were interviewed in Mondo 2000.) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Some ruminations From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 12:50:23 PDT >> excellent advice. if people boycott the obviously commercial >> out-for-bucks events, then the underground will continue to flourish. > >You guys are making me feel guilty for wanting to charge $10, but charging $5 >instead. The first rave we had a $200 loss. The second one we barely broke >even, and still felt like we lost money. This third one is going to be >cheaper, but still $5. I'd like to blow the doors off for the fourth one, but >would HAVE to charge $10 to expect to break even. I wish we had an attentive >rave audience like you do on the coasts, but instead everyone just wants to >get drunk. I said "boycott the obviously commercial out-for-bucks events." You are clearly in it because you love the rave culture. If you are doing a good job at conveying this message, then people will keep coming to your events and hopefully you'll make enough money to go on. Incidentally, I wouldn't consider $10 too expensive. Hell, I paid $15 for a ToonTown last weekend - they are quite the commercial organization now, but it was a very fun event nonetheless, and I didn't feel particularly ripped off. $20 seems to be just a little too steep though - there was lots of noise on sf-raves concerning Feel-X the Cat, which charged $20 and got busted. They were still selling tix after the bust, so that shows you where their interests lie. As for the "rave audience" - are you targeting the proper markets? You should prohibit (or at least strongly discourage) alcohol if you don't want people there with the intent to get drunk. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darkness will be rewarded in measure. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Ruminations From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 13:30:49 PDT jim puccio: >At least one person understood what I was trying to say. I understand exactly what you're saying. I don't necessarily agree with it. >> I submit that your perceptions misogyny and racism say far more about you > >Perhaps, but what exactly do they say? That you have some kind of agenda and it is preventing you from thinking objectively. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This recording has now reached its conclusion. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Re: alcobooze Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 15:14:15 MDT > As for the "rave audience" - are you targeting the proper markets? > You should prohibit (or at least strongly discourage) alcohol if you > don't want people there with the intent to get drunk. That leaves me with about 10 people I can invite. The first one we said BYOB, and people REALLY brought it. Cases and coolers. I never cleaned up so many bottles in my life. The second one we said "no alcohol" and got a completely different crowd. This third one we aren't saying anything, but the guy who got us the roof is buying two kegs. I -wish- I could just say no alcohol and people would come and dance to trance, but it just doesn't want to happen here. Maybe if booze wasn't such a big no-no in this state (you would not believe our laws) it wouldn't seem so illicit and exciting. So what it comes down to is I don't know who to target. The people with booze or the people without. All I want is a large crowd who can dance for seven hours straight. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 16:05:50 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: you bite no you bite no you bite no you bite..... Look, as someone once said, on matters of taste there is no argument. What people like depends on so many things that empirical judgements of song A being definitely unequivocally better than song B are silly. So some of us don't consider songs with wailing house divas to be particularly heavy or mindwarping like other forms of techno; that doesn't mean we're racist. [see: rec.music.industrial for a much longer tirade about this subject] About the line: "Shut the fuck up bitch ya can't sing" - that's a sample in New York Style's "Shut Up". I've heard a LOT WORSE in rap music..... Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 19:06:43 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (if you love your art, die for it!) Subject: Re: baltimore raves Oh god, you've gotta suffer throuhg a wedding band when you could be listening to some mind-numbing techno :) Also this saturday, in providence, RI: Michaelanglo III at the Big Top Saturday june 27, 9pm to infinity... 118 manton ave, providence The london-providence connection rave hard till the morning hours to the lastest in slammin techno while blowing your mind on the amazing visuals DJ ACME from Providence DJ PAUL from london live performances by Emergency broadcast network - video music made with 100% real television Intelligent Lighting by Z-Tran Smart Bar Warped projections between 2 worlds mind machine to get to 118 manton ave at atlantic mills: from 95 north or south take the hardford/route 6 exit, and follow the hartford signs. Take the plainfield st exit off route 6 and at the bottom of the street take a right. when you reach the second light take a left. atlantic mills is behind almacs call (401) 751-5695 for more info A home planet production.. That's direct off of the flyer that I got at Allson Beat in Boston... [newbury st]... I may be going... dunno.. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 21:06:08 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I'm being followed by a pair of boxer shorts.) Subject: Re: silly rabbit those trax are for kids I usually like everything... industrial, techno, dance, hip-hop, but I can't stand senseless woman-hating / woman/gay bashing rap music... Certain rap music is acceptable (i.e. PE_) Enh, we all have our own opinions, right? -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 21:07:23 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I'm being followed by a pair of boxer shorts.) Subject: Re: silly rabbit those trax are for kids Scary to think that I dragged him into it.. :) Having fun, joe? :) -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 21:10:14 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I'm being followed by a pair of boxer shorts.) Subject: Re: silly rabbit those trax are for kids Jon Drukman once said: DT>Yes, the rave scene is incredibly open. Or at least it used to DT>be. It's slowly degenerating, of course. My guess as to what DT>happened is that those people who were outsiders found the rave DT>culture, embraced it, and started to enjoy feeling like they DT>were a Part Of Something. So now they're turning it around and DT>saying, "well, we are the older ravers. we're in THE SCENE. DT>you can't be." Maybe I'm pessimistic, Sounds alot like what's happening right now in Boston, and EVERY major city.. I think you're right.. I'm "part of the Scene" here in boston, and most of the people here are extremely exclusive... too many elitist art-school types around here... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 21:15:38 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I'm being followed by a pair of boxer shorts.) Subject: Re: whistle while you work I think we're all falling into the trap of placing labels on everything.. Marketing reps tend to label anything new with the current buzzword to enhance sales (i.e. multi-media,hypercard,techno,alternative,progressive) Once anything gets POPular (note emphasis on POP!) It's going to get picked up by the big boys at the major labels and spread all over hell.. it took them 6 years to realize that industrial music existed... look at the article in Spin about Trent Reznor and "NEW industrial music" Go figure... Bet they never heard of throbbing gristle, enh? -John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 21:20:03 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I'm being followed by a pair of boxer shorts.) Subject: Re: Some ruminations winter wrote: >My bets are on corporate and stupid. Will it be long before we see >"1994 Summer Super Rave! Sponsored by Miller Beer!" ?? The rave >scene Rave scene doesn't include alcohol.. maybe that'll help us... :) with hopes of a happy, peaceful, non-marketed rave culture... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 21:23:31 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I'm being followed by a pair of boxer shorts.) Subject: Re: Ruminations You've spawned an insane thread over here on the east coast.. Thanks! :) -jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu -ne-raves moderator [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 21:26:18 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (I'm being followed by a pair of boxer shorts.) Subject: Re: alcobooze No alcohol after 1 am or 2 am... worked really well at the rave in Maine (Pure) ... all the townies and jerk-offs left around then and it was wonderful... everyone who was there was just happy as hell and had tons of fun... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: InsanitY Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 00:39:06 -0400 Subject: Re: alcobooze You know, this Future rave coming up this weekend is going to be my first rave (okay okay...at least I've been reading alt.raves since it began..so I don't think I'm following a trend or whatnot..but that shouldn't matter, right?) The point of this is that I am really worried that everyone there will be all drugged out. I want to go for the music (mostly). How much do these people interfere (to those of you who don't do drugs) with your rave experiences? WWIV net: #171 @3110 #56 @3118 u4ia 4ever Cyberpunk Internet: cyberpun@wam.umd.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: InsanitY Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 00:58:18 -0400 Subject: lists First of all, could someone please post the info for the rave that is going on this friday night...quickly if possible? ALso is there anyway to devide this mailing list into two lists? I mean the discussions tha go on are great, but they really tend to fillup a mailbox. Could there possible be one for discussions and one for JUST rave notices? cyberpunk [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 22:56:09 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: lists >Could there possible be one for discussions and one for JUST rave notices? Sounds like a regular calendar is in order..... :):):):) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 92 23:00:24 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: alcobooze In a previous episode on ne-raves, cyberpun@wam.umd.edu writes: >The point of this is that I am really worried that everyone there will be >all drugged out. I want to go for the music (mostly). How much do these >people interfere (to those of you who don't do drugs) with your rave >experiences? They don't. That's the wonderful difference between the drugs that are done at raves and the drugs that are done at most other social gatherings. I don't want to sound like I'm promoting drug use... but I'd rather people used those drugs than alcohol at any gathering. It makes people much more open about their feelings, much more excited about life around them, more energetic, which is fairly opposite from what I see with alcohol or cocaine or speed. People don't give you intimidating stares when you look at them; they don't believe in striking poses or carrying attitudes. I'm not suggesting you take drugs if you go - I went to raves in LA for 2 years without doing a single thing, and had a ball. And I can still go to a rave completely sober and dance for 5 hours, relying purely on the NRG of others and the DJ's. I'd even go so far as to say a good rave is one so good you think you're on drugs but you're completely clean. Of course, this has a lot to do with your personal mindset, but drugs wouldn't change that too much. You're perfectly safe at a rave if you go clean. There might be quite a few people trying to sell you X, but once you get by them, you're fine. I've never had any peer pressure to take hallucinogens. It's just not in their nature... just like when people take LSD or X, they say, "man this is great stuff!" whereas a cocaine user will say, "man this shit is RAW! I need more now!". A lot of people on alt.drugs will probably agree. I've had people say, "if only you could see what I'm seeing now...", but never, "C'mon! It's your turn to take a shot of vodka! You hoser." like I hear at dorm parties. Fun. I heard a statistic that sounds about right for the average rave: 30% are on drugs, and another 30% think they're on drugs. If you find that you really like raves, really enjoy the music and get off on the energy and the visuals, I might even venture to say that the drugs don't help you much. They make it easier to dance for 7 or 8 hours straight, but unless you take enough to start seeing bright visuals, not too much is different (at least, that's been my experience - mileage may vary). And what's the point of going to a rave if you're just gonna sit and trip the whole night? Raves are the only social gatherings I know of where individual creativity of the participant is rewarded. I have no hesitation to enter a place when it first opens and if the music's cool start dancing right away, or when the place gets crowded jumping on top of a speaker and dancing until security knabs me. Uh-oh I'm getting romantic.... this is getting cross-posted to sfraves because I want to hear their reaction, too.... Peace Brian "I am the butler, Didit." - VCR Clue [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Michelangelo III Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 02:01:55 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU India & I are thinking about going to the Providence rave on Saturday. Anybody out there know anything more about it than was posted in the "Baltimore" message? Anybody else at least tentatively interested? -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 14:32 EDT From: laura@usl.com Subject: Re: alcobooze Cyberpunk wrote: >The point of this is that I am really worried that everyone there will be >all drugged out. I want to go for the music (mostly). How much do these >people interfere (to those of you who don't do drugs) with your rave >experiences? Don't worry about it. I don't do drugs (I suppose I must be awfully wholesome-looking: I can't even find 'em at a RAVE for god's sake) and I have great times. Everyone REALLY goes for the music, the dancing, to be with the people. The drugs just help a little -- and very few people seem "all drugged out". Or at least that's the way it seems to me. Laura [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Ruminations and Clarification Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 18:22:39 EDT puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU writes.... > least one person understood what I was trying to say. It was a pleasant >antidote to the one who really *did* want to goad me into a pissing contest. >Most other responses fell somewhere in between. Hopefully you will not dismiss any attempt at explaining or clarifying quotations as an invitation to a 'pissing contest'. Unfortunately I had discarded my original post that you took a quotation out of, the one about noisy techno and not liking wailing divas most of the time. Jon Drukman responded >> the original writer [...] quite clearly wrote "*I* tend not to like..." which >> is about as fair and impartial a statement as you could hope for. i find >> your inference of misogyny rather insulting to the original writer in fact. Insulting especially since your inference of misogyny is based on: >The original writer quite clearly wrote "Shut the fuck up, bitch, you can't >sing", which is about as far from fair and impartial as one might get. Notice that this phrase is in quotes. This phrase is a lyric from a song by N.Y. Style. By quoting this line I meant to draw reference to the music of this track which is noisy, fast, etc. in short a perfect example of the type of techno that I like as described in the paragraph I was writing. Since this article was posted to a 'raves' newsgroup, I figured that most people reading it would be familiar with the track and realize that it was a quote from a song and not an expression of a personal opinion. Obviously, I was wrong. Perhaps the makers of this track are misogynistic, I have no idea. -Chris Teixeira [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: nivekogr@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: you bite no you bite no you bite no you bite..... Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 18:31:24 EDT Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) > About the line: "Shut the fuck up bitch ya can't sing" - that's a sample in >New York Style's "Shut Up". I've heard a LOT WORSE in rap music..... > > Brian Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou... I knew there must be some people out there who would catch the reference. -Chris Teixeira [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1992 20:11:49 -0400 From: joemac@eff.org Subject: Michelangelo III " MichelAngelo 3 rave at the big top film - video - computer graphics - lights - smart bar - dj call 401-751-5695 for info a home planet production sat june 27 - 9:00pm 118 warton ave providence, ri cypertronic projections hyperdimentional graphics intelligent lighting smart bar real-time interactive video between 2 worlds mind machines all programmed for your enjoyment to get to the big top at atlantic mills: from 95 north or south take the hartford/route 6 exit, and follow the hartford signs. take the plainfield st. exit off route 6 and at the bottom of the street take a right. when you reach the second light take a left. atlantic mills is behind almacs. \ manton \ atlantic \ N mills * \ | almacs * \ | \ rt 6 | hartford -------------------------------------| rt 6 exit / | / | 95 / / plainfield " i was told byoa(lcohol), none will be sold oh yeah, it $7 at the door i'm goin! that's all folks... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: This wasn't what I wanted to happen Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 00:32:12 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Chris Teixeira sez: > Hopefully you will not dismiss any attempt at explaining or clarifying > quotations as an invitation to a 'pissing contest'. No. I think you handled yourself quite reasonably, in fact. What I meant by 'pissing contest' was the tendency in electronic conversation, if one says something controversial vis a vis prior postings, for things to rapidly degenerate into a battle of personalities. As Brian Behlendorf succinctly put it, "you bite no you bite no you bite ...". I knew when I made the first posting that there was a danger of this happening (which outcome I really did not want). That was why I stripped off all attributions from the quotes. I wanted to talk about language and attitudes. I did not want to attack anybody personally, nor did I want to engage anybody in such an exchange. In that I obviously failed to accomplish this end, I am quite sorry. I also tried to hedge my statements pretty thoroughly. If you look at the 1st post, you'll see all sorts of qualifiers, eg. "perhaps", "possibly" and so on. I was trying to say this-is-how-this-stuff-looks-to-me, and initiate some enlightening discussion of those issues. That, for the most part, was not the outcome. Electronic communication is *so* difficult. People reading the written word in a news program will often miss subtleties of language , and read only the bluntest possible interpretation of one's words. Neither is it easy to convey one's true personality, nor emotional state at the time of writing. There are a couple of people on sfraves who know me rather well, for whom the interpretation of my writings is probably a lot easier. I trust they could tell that I was not frothing at the mouth at the time. Actually I was very calm and trying to write in a clear, but reasoned way. As for my "inference of misogyny," what I was saying was that there was a certain kind of posting that I'd been seeing go by in my mailbox, that *I* perceived as misogynist. The song quote "Shut the fuck up bitch, you can't sing" quite plainly struck me as offensive. It still does. And I'm sure that if you look at it as someone who never heard that song, you should also be able to see it as an offensive piece of verbiage. Is it my fault for not knowing it was a song quote? Does it *really* make a difference that it is? You yourself may be a perfectly wonderful person. I certainly hope that is the case. It was not my intent to talk about *you*, anyway. I'm sorry you took this personally. I'm sorry Jon Drukman did the same. If we could talk about these issues without hurling accusations at one another, I think there would be *at least* one interesting discussion in the points I've raised, and more likely some three or more good threads. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be possible, so I'd just as soon let it drop, and try to be friends if that can be accomplished at this point. -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 03:37:20 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in a manner of speaking) Subject: Re: alcobooze Noone interferres. Yes, they'll all be drugged out. that's the point :) We're all there to have fun. I've been to raves both on and off of drugs. Believe me. People on X are alot easier to deal with that stupid jocko types on alcohol. --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 03:39:07 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in a manner of speaking) Subject: Re: lists I am considering getting the list separated into a calender list and a discussion list.. it's just that we've enver had this kind of major traffic on it before... give me a bit of time :) --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 03:40:26 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in a manner of speaking) Subject: Re: lists Oh , the rave this friday (which is probably in progress now, and this mailing is too late) is in Washington,DC.. tomorrow's rave is in Maryland (Future) .. Ihave _no_ info for the friday rave, and its over anyhoo now :) I'm going to miss Future, sadly, because we can't get transportation in gear, and the 10 hour drive to and from Maryland from Boston is excessive... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 03:43:26 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in a manner of speaking) Subject: Re: Michelangelo III I may or may not be going, depends if I can get a ride to it, or if I get a ride to baltimore for the rave there... transportation is a major problem. If its anything like the other two raves, they won't be anything too impressive, but they'll probably be about 1500 people there... --John [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 03:54:04 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (in a manner of speaking) Subject: Administrivia.... Few things Ne-Ravers: #1> Would you like to see the list broken into two lists, a calender list and a discussion list (then people who want into info about raves coming up can just glance at the calendar and not get the entire feed) #2> Would whomever I met at the Portland,ME rave (whom was from Cananda) send me a piece of mail... I forgot who you were; it was late and I was dancing my balls off to notice. Sorry :( #3> Who's headed for michaelanglo III (Providence) ? -John Thanks! give me your opinions. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 11:38:12 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Drugs and Alcohol I think there are fewer people on drugs and alcohol in the rave scene than other scenes. (heavy metal, singles bars, softball games). From my experience, the people who go to the raves are there for the music and to dance all night long. The dance floor is a community. I think the media has created the perception that ravers are all drug induced. From their *outside* perspective, how can people dance non-stop to repetitive disco music if they were not on some kind of drugs. The BH 90210 episode about raves was a joke. Those clean cut kids saw people smoking crack, and stepped on a syringe. Of course, Brandon was surprised when his drink laced with X. The script was right out a late 60's anti-drug propaganda machine aimed at parent's fears. I don't use drugs, so I might not be able to pick up these things, but I've never seen anyone smoke crack or shoot up heroin at the raves. I've heard X is expensive, so I can't believe any would buy it to lace in someone's drink. I'll assume that if you buy X, it's your drink that gets laced. I suspect that the media has paralleled raves with Woodstock, and therefore the rave scene is a drug scene. In the City Paper article, the writer could not believe that when the house lights came on at end of the Catastrophic Rave nobody moved off the dance floor. They continued dancing until the music stopped. Most people in clubs would automatically stop dancing when the lights come up. >Believe me. People on X are alot easier to deal with that stupid >jocko types on alcohol. I agree. I'd rather have people hugging me than punching me. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 11:38:58 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: Catastrophic rave report Last night's Catastophic Rave was disappointing. Only about 500 people showed up (It usually 1500). It caught most people by surprise, and the energy level was much lower than the previous raves. I've been to the early Catastrophic raves with 500 people or so, and they were extremely high energy, but people's expections have increased. I think there's two reason why it was a disappointing rave. DC is only a one rave/weekend town. FUTURE is tonight, and I think most people decided to go to it instead. It's sad. I gave DC more credit than this. I thought the scene here could support two raves/weekend. The other reason is Catastrophic raised the price again this time to the *magic* $10. They better think about what they have to offer and improve before they raise price. In the City Paper article, the Baez Bros. said their raves were not about money, but about having a good time. It looks like they have had a change of heart. Too bad. As for the rave itself, Jean Phillipe Aviance returned to DC. He played a mix of hard and happy techno. It was good have him back and to hear him play again. Merge perfomed live. They had some technical difficulties, and were a little off. I guess that was fitting since the whole evening was all 'a little off.' Oh well, let's look for a good rave at FUTURE tonight. -Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1992 14:46:16 -0400 From: joemac@eff.org Subject: administrivia john, #1> Would you like to see the list broken into two lists, a yes #3> Who's headed for michaelanglo III (Providence) ? i'll be up there, but i live in SE RI; it's hard to pass up a rave so close to home. im kinda new to the area and didn't go to either of the first two. you sounded less-then-enthuastic about them, what was lacking? i'm friends with the folks from between 2 worlds - if you go, stop by the mind-gym setup (which will be free) at say 1am. --joe [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: ulmo@netcom.com (Brad Allen) Subject: Re: Catastrophic rave report Date: Sat, 27 Jun 92 12:04:54 -0700 " Last night's Catastophic Rave was disappointing. Only about 500 " people showed up (It usually 1500). Wow! What a lot of people! (Brad in SF) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 08:43:02 -0400 From: "Liquid Spherical Imaging Process" This is a story about FUTURE (and my place in it) ------------------------------------------------- I live in Pittsburgh. I took off to DC with a friend of mine around 4:00 PM on Saturday. On our rush to make it to both Urban Outfitters and Commander Salamander (we didn't know they closed late), we got ticketed going 81 MPH and my friend Mike, the driver, was fined $156. Great start. We finally made it to Georgetown and shopped around a bit. I managed to buy a really cool short sleeve purple/grey plaid Freak Show shirt. Then we dined in luxury at the local Hardees (or was it Roy Rogers...). Afterwards we met up with some friends of ours who had lost us when we were pulled over earlier in the day (it was pure luck we found them). We all got in our cars and headed off for the *big* event. We made it to the BrandyWine Road (the final one) around 11:00. There was aboput a 15 minute wait in the car on the road becaueause of traffic. This served to heighten our excitement levels. Eventually we pulled up into the grass parking lot and hastily made our way to the ticket trailer. 3 minutes and $13 short later, we walked into the FUTURE. Our journey began with a trip into the park's "buliding" (for cookouts, bingo, etc). It was full of about 200 people or so, milling around and checking each other out. They had an *incredible* colored oil projection going on the back wall and some girl was running a projector showing some fairly entertaining computer animations. A dj was spinning some laid back deep house. At first I thought this was it, that this was *the* rave. I heard some people talking about "something going on out back". My friend Mike and I made our way to the back entrance. Coming out on the porch, we saw the action going on in fullEffect. There was a large area cleared away that was filled with about 1500 people (at least). A large stage was set up with tons of lasers and lights, and extending out past that was a collection of steel scaffolding that held intellibeams, more lasers, etc. Pretty damn cool. The only problem with the lasers was the fact thatthe fog machines weren't getting the fog high enough to show off the lasers full range. The laser beams looked about 3 feet long. There was a "moon bounce" in one corner of the rave area, and surround everything was a collection of little vendor booths. Considering I had only been to one other "real" rave (Catastrophic Prodx), I was damn excited about what I was seeing. To summarize the nights events, I'll keep it short. We walked around and checked out all of the vendors (throughout the course of the evening my friend bought a smart drink, Sjobeck hat and a Sjobeck tee. I picked up a Drawls stocking cap). Neither of us felt like jumping around on teh moon bounce. It was getting cold and the thought of that cold, dirty air pillow under my feet didn't move me. The crowd started out full of energy. Everyone was throwing their hands in the air and yelling "Do it!", "Fuck it Up!" and other assorted phrases. I was surprised by the number of people wearing huge ass clothes. I mean, I thought my clothes were big, but some of these people were just SooperBaggy. Also, I must have seen at least 20 different Jive shirts, and I got sick (and jealous) looking at all the cool stuff people had on. Anyway, two of the acts (Disintigrator and Merge) sucked rocks, A Priori had some interesting dancers and music (the vocalist blew) and Moby was incredible. He threw his keyboard around and jumped all over the stage. The only problem was that his mic kept kicking out on him. Oh well, he sounded good and the song "Next is the E" was fucking great! DJ wise, I was VERY VERY *unimpressed*. Joey Beltram was announced to come on, but he just wandered around a little bit, talked to some people who were on the stage, and left. He never performed (and APOTHEOSIS never perford either BTW. That seriously pissed me off). Oh, I almost forgot. Euphoria played a set at Future also. It was fairly cool, but he came on stage and said this *really* stupid phrase : "This is the closest to Woodstock you'll eveer get". Yeah, right (BTW, Euphoria is from Pittsburgh, my hometown). As I was saying, the DJ's really blew. They played "hardcore" techno. I don't know what planet these people are getting their music from, but it sucks. Most of it sounded like a droning synth rolling over a boring ass Chick-Boom- Chick-Boom beat. Seriously, I love stuff like ACEN "Close Your Eyes", Power Zone's "Mind Games" and Kane's "Mind of Kane", and I thought that this was "rave" music. It is fun to dance to. The shit I was listening too just bored the hell out of me. Maybe if I was high on anti-freeze.... To close out the story, I spent a lot of time just standing around. The vibe was dead early on (right after Moby). A lot of people were standing around and shivering (it was *cold*). I was hungry and I wanted to leave. Standing in a dirt patch at 4:30 in the morning, freezing my ass of and listening to a droning sound coming from the stage was just plain annoying. Mike and I headed into the pavilion where the other Dj was (and oil proj. AND heat) and checked things out. While Mike went in search of a drink, I crouched next to the wall and listeneed to the music. 10 minutes later, a cop shows up and turns on all the lights and cuts the power to the DJ area. Immediately some guy runs up to the cop and they start yelling at each other. Moments later, the guy is telling everyone to "go tell the cop that you want your money back..and so on". The cop leaves and some guy goes over and turns the DJ power back on. They dj throws on a *killer* remix of "I'm Free" and everyone starts dancing like crazy. The lights eventually go off and the dj continues into Rabbit City's "Digital Domain" and Oceanic's "Insanity". Mike and I have *finally* found where the good music was. About that time, the cop comes back and turns the lights on again. Mike and I agree to go see if Apotheosis is playing out back on the main grounds (BTW, the song was "Everybody's Free" not "I'm Free"). The guard at the back door tells us that if we "step over the line (back door line) than we *cannot* come back in". Mike and I are like "what the fuck?" and we decide that we are going to go out front, head around the building and see if Apotheosis is on. We have to wade through about 200 people standing out front of the pavilion waiting to get in (apparently they heard that the dj was playing some good dancey stuff). As we round back, we see that the rave is *dead*. The sun is up, and the zombies were just milling around the grounds. Mike and I stumble back to the car and drive away. On our way out we see two police cruisers headed toward the pavilion. Oh well. I spent the rest of the morning sleeping for four hours in the parking lot of a Pizza Hut. Upon awaking, we drove to Georgetown where I blew even more money on a Freak Show jacket (and some sorely needed food). The four hour trip home to Pittsburgh then begins.... Basically, the rave was mediocre. It was cold, dirty, and 2 out of the three acts I came to see (Apotheosis and Beltram) didn't perform. The vibe was *definitely* wasn't there (unless you were high or tripping). There were some friendly people, but for the most part I couldn't relate to most of them (They are like half-people. They just aren't down-to-earth). The music only got good at the end when I was falling asleep where I stood. Oh well, a rave is a rave. Any one else out there go to this? Damian "DieselBoy" Higgins -- 105% Pure DieselPower (Sun-Ripened) damian@unix.cis.pitt.edu [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 11:12:50 -0400 From: camper@buphy.bu.edu (Dan English) Subject: RE: Future rave I also attended the Future rave this saturday. there is a bit more to add. the crowd was different than at other raves i've been to. everyone was dressed, to start with. i'd rather stink up a pair of cutt-off shorts and a tee-shirt than $60 Jive shorts and a Stussy sweatshirt. also the crowd was unusual because there were about ten times as many people on acid as ecstacy. (Partially due, i'm sure, to the fact that E was hard to find). the energy of the crowd was not that great, but i also didn't dance as much outside because i found it hard to on such uneven ground. i was outside when the rave shut down there. it didn't just die, the cops shut it down. then we had to wait for about 45 minutes until they would let anyone in the inside room. however, at this point, everything got a little better. everyone inside was ***so*** groovy. there were a huge number there from NYC, and they were definitely true ravers. the music was great, the energy was great, and the people left were the best. i wish i we could have stayed all night (i guarantee that i wouldn't be the only one left on the dance floor at tyhe end of the night this time) , but the rest of my carload wanted to leave. (ten hours is a long way to drive to any rave.) and by the way, just as the shut down the outside, a girl there had a seizure, turned blue, stopped breathing, and we are not sure if she lived. i am going to try and find out the story. -camper. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) Subject: Outlands - Colorado Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 11:43:03 MDT Just got back from the My Bloody Eardrums weekend in Denver, Colorado. I went out to see MBV (you'll have to read that review on the other lists), but also managed to have a raving (sort of) good time while I was at it. They were having their first outdoor rave, "Outlands" there. So I went to the map point and got my pass and map for the night of raving on the 28th. Then I made the mistake of letting my plastic lure me into Wax Trax. I picked up some VICIOUS compilations including the BEST piece of trance I've found yet. Reviews will be forthcoming on the various channels. Had to drive nearly 30 miles (remember Gilligan's Brian?) from the place we were staying to arrive at the location. Someone's car stalled on some train tracks, thus causing a 30 minute wait for parking. While my friend and I sat in the car, we blared the PEE DOUBLE EWE EEE EYE and had a generally OK time talking about what we would do for our "big rave". After parking, we met the two girls who nearly rear-ended us as the procession broke free of the train tracks. Really nice, really friendly. I must say that I met more people that night than I ever got smiled at in an LA rave. Definitely a different atmosphere. As we approached the stage setup it began to rain lightly. It was completely wwild to watch. They had a bright halogen light illuminating the path to the stage that looked like it was spitting sparks from the rain drops. The intellibeams they had setup looked far better in the rain than fog ever did. Seeing the shadows, the rain, and the incredible stroboscopic lights made me feel like I was in a Fellini movie. :-) It was all so surreal. The first DJ sucked. Lots of techno-rap, and some older crud. I thought I was going to see some par excellante mixing by the amount of hype these guys give themselves, but this guy was no better than a clown paid to do high-school dances. Yawn. I did my best to get the energy up. I was approaching people with my diffraction glasses, telling them to try them on. This is what the response inevitably was: "Cool! 3D glasses right?" Then they try them on. "HOLY SHIT!! HOLY HOLY SHIT! HOLY SHIT!" I was amusing to say the least. The rave scene is younger in Colorado than I thought it was. The glasses are old hat in Utah :-). The DJ kept telling people to move their cars from the street or they would be towed. He finally got his ass of the stage and the next DJ took over. My friend and I took off to look at the concession booths. I bought a great T-shirt that says "DOPE" in the "DOLE" style with a glow-in-the-dark logo on the back. All of a sudden, people were streaming from the stage. I saw the two girls we'd met and I asked them what had happened. They told us that nothing had happened, they had just come over to see the booths. But people were still coming. The music had stopped. Yes, that's right, two hours into the rave, it was shut down by the cops. All due to the parking problems. Piss poor planning. Things were starting to look like the best rave I've been to yet, but it never got off the ground. We did however, get some good ideas. I also met the guy who did the Ali Baba's in Las Vegas. Got in contact with quite a few people. We handed out flyers for our rave on the 4th, although we knew nobody would come from Colorado for it, we told them to get on the mailing list anyway. For anyone in the four-corners area who is listening, the big one is coming in August. We're going all out for this. If this doesn't succeed, we're never going to try again. If you want to get on our mailing list call: 801-461-3375 [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Michelangelo III (Providenz, Isle de Rhodes) From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 10:48:56 PDT puccio writes: >The techno was ... techno. Yawn. Boop boop boop bip bip boooop booop booop >bip bip (tsketee tsketee tsketee) boop boop boop bip bip booop booop booop bip >bip (tsch kutaa tsch kutaa tsch). No wailing divas to improve things. hmmm... >She informs us that she incorporates this in her massage business on the south >shore, and that she herself has been using the equipment for some four years >and believes herself to be OK. It will cost us $5 apiece to experience this >marvel for 20 mins. gee, the mind machine people out here just let you try 'em on for free. >* Save your $5 on the mind machines. The hype is (in retrospect) a steaming > load of bullshit. aw, i think they're fun. they don't do anything for me, mentally, but it's fun to watch the trippy patterns and the ones i've tried didn't cause me the physical discomfort you mentioned. of course, i would never pay for one (although i'm thinking about building a model for personal use. they sell them for $129 but i think i can cobble one together for under $5.) Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Denounce all others as venereal ashes of the superfluous. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Drugs and Alcohol From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 10:52:01 PDT Robert Campanell writes: >The BH 90210 episode about raves was a joke. Those clean cut kids >saw people smoking crack, and stepped on a syringe. Of course, >Brandon was surprised when his drink laced with X. The script was >right out a late 60's anti-drug propaganda machine aimed at parent's >fears. I don't use drugs, so I might not be able to pick up these >things, but I've never seen anyone smoke crack or shoot up heroin at >the raves. I've heard X is expensive, so I can't believe any would >buy it to lace in someone's drink. I'll assume that if you buy X, >it's your drink that gets laced. You didn't watch carefully enough. Brandon's *girlfriend* laced his drink because she thought the X would "bring them closer together." Of course, his girlfriend was from San Francisco, meaning that she's WEIRD. I love this show. Hot damn, I'm gonna sample the bejeezus out of it and turn it into a dance floor track. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Suck on this, planet of noise bimbo! [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Michelangelo III (Summary: hee hee hee) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 17:16:14 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU >> The techno was ... techno. Yawn. Boop boop boop bip bip boooop booop booop >> bip bip (tsketee tsketee tsketee) boop boop boop bip bip booop booop booop >> bip bip (tsch kutaa tsch kutaa tsch). No wailing divas to improve things. > hmmm... ~/:^) >> Save your $5 on the mind machines. The hype is (in retrospect) a steaming >> load of bullshit. > aw, i think they're fun. So did India, sort of. You have me outnumbered 1.5:1. > they don't do anything for me, mentally The three of us agree on this, fer sure. > it's fun to watch the trippy patterns I prefer mine induced in other ways. :) > the ones i've tried didn't cause me the physical discomfort you mentioned. They might be different models. Or maybe the bulbs in the units we used were newer, or of a higher wattage, or some such. > i'm thinking about building a model for personal use. they sell them for > $129 but i think i can cobble one together for under $5. I for one would be impressed. You need the phones (woops - blew your budget right there!), the glasses frame, at least 8 little light bulbs, some wire, some kind of D/A for the sound, probably at least one opamp, and some kind of sequencing device (either a weenie microprocessor, or a PLA), not to mention the physical mounting doodads (breadboard, box, screws, phono jacks) and assorted switches, trim pots (probably) and so on. And I must have left some other little ingredients out, since it's been *years* since I built anything electronic. *Plus*, you lose the economies of scale when you build a single unit of anything. But if there's some way you *can* hack one of these together for so little, why not share the plans with the net? I'm sure lots of people could have fun with such a cheap project. -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Michelangelo III (Summary: hee hee hee) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 17:16:14 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU >> The techno was ... techno. Yawn. Boop boop boop bip bip boooop booop booop >> bip bip (tsketee tsketee tsketee) boop boop boop bip bip booop booop booop >> bip bip (tsch kutaa tsch kutaa tsch). No wailing divas to improve things. > hmmm... ~/:^) >> Save your $5 on the mind machines. The hype is (in retrospect) a steaming >> load of bullshit. > aw, i think they're fun. So did India, sort of. You have me outnumbered 1.5:1. > they don't do anything for me, mentally The three of us agree on this, fer sure. > it's fun to watch the trippy patterns I prefer mine induced in other ways. :) > the ones i've tried didn't cause me the physical discomfort you mentioned. They might be different models. Or maybe the bulbs in the units we used were newer, or of a higher wattage, or some such. > i'm thinking about building a model for personal use. they sell them for > $129 but i think i can cobble one together for under $5. I for one would be impressed. You need the phones (woops - blew your budget right there!), the glasses frame, at least 8 little light bulbs, some wire, some kind of D/A for the sound, probably at least one opamp, and some kind of sequencing device (either a weenie microprocessor, or a PLA), not to mention the physical mounting doodads (breadboard, box, screws, phono jacks) and assorted switches, trim pots (probably) and so on. And I must have left some other little ingredients out, since it's been *years* since I built anything electronic. *Plus*, you lose the economies of scale when you build a single unit of anything. But if there's some way you *can* hack one of these together for so little, why not share the plans with the net? I'm sure lots of people could have fun with such a cheap project. -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: sandraf@ingres.com (Sandra Farkas) Subject: Re: I'm back/Downtown Donna Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 14:54:56 PDT > " Does anyone out there have any info on, or do there exist, rave-type > " events for the lesbian crowd???? > > I was around Downtown Donna spinning at The Pit two Sundays ago (a > male-gay bar mostly), and was amazed that this sort of non-ravy DJ > name was with someone who really knew what techno and how to mix it > for me. I've also heard she knows how to select "old 50s crap," from > someone else I know. She DJs at a lesbian bar; I'm sorry that I > forget which one, and I don't even know what she plays there. I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Faster Pussycat, Wednesday's at Paula's Clubhouse. 16th Street around Valencia. I don't know what type of music she plays that night; she seems to have eclectic taste in music. Sandra [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Michelangelo III (Summary: hee hee hee) From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 16:28:24 PDT >> it's fun to watch the trippy patterns > >I prefer mine induced in other ways. :) true, but when you're out of supplies... >> the ones i've tried didn't cause me the physical discomfort you mentioned. > >They might be different models. Or maybe the bulbs in the units we used were >newer, or of a higher wattage, or some such. the one i tried had red LEDs. they weren't excessively bright. >> i'm thinking about building a model for personal use. they sell them for >> $129 but i think i can cobble one together for under $5. > >I for one would be impressed. You need the phones (woops - blew your budget >right there!), the glasses frame, at least 8 little light bulbs, some wire, >some kind of D/A for the sound, probably at least one opamp, and some kind of >sequencing device (either a weenie microprocessor, or a PLA), not to mention >the physical mounting doodads (breadboard, box, screws, phono jacks) and >assorted switches, trim pots (probably) and so on. And I must have left some >other little ingredients out, since it's been *years* since I built anything >electronic. *Plus*, you lose the economies of scale when you build a single >unit of anything. well, i was going to do without the sound. put on a hafler trio record or something. (hell, they distributed a record with plans for a dreammachine, so why not?) as i said, i'm not building it for the Incredibly Mental Improvement factor, i'm building it for the Nifty Light Show, so who cares if the sound is scientifically calculated to induce alpha rhythms... i think we were looking at different devices, because all mine is going to do is have two small LEDs mounted inside a pair of swimming goggles that i'll spray paint black. controls will be one switch that toggles between simultaneous and left/right flash and one pot that adjusts rate of blink. i think the only components you need for such a circuit (beyond the switch and pot) are a few resistors and some kind of CMOS chip. mount it on a hobby board and stick it inside a 35mm film can. >But if there's some way you *can* hack one of these together for so little, >why not share the plans with the net? I'm sure lots of people could have fun >with such a cheap project. i'm trying to get some people who know anything about electronics to design the circuit for me. i can read a schematic and solder stuff together, but i'm lost when it comes to figuring out chips. Jon Drukman (finely honed machine) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The final truth of all things is that there is no final truth. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 17:30:02 -0700 From: Robert Campanell Subject: FUTURE rave report I ventured out from my familiar DC urban environment to what was in my mind the backwoods of Brandywine MD. FUTURE was my first outdoor rave, and I would say it was an interesting experience. Wilmer's Park had sort of a Twin Peaks eeriness to it. It looked like it had it's heyday in the early 60's as a place for country greasers to hang out at. I'm not an outdoors person. I hate hiking, camping, fishing, rock climbing. I like things cushy and comfortable. This may account for some of my uneasiness at FUTURE. I wore a long sleeve T-shirt and jeans. The thought of getting bitten up by mosquitos was on my mind. FUTURE was good, not great. There were two big problems. The first was the sound system. It was too quiet. It started out OK, but the police forced them to turn it down. It took all the energy out of the crowd (what little there was). The other problem was trying to dance on a sloped dirt and grass surface. It was difficult. When I got home I discovered by black shoes turned to brown. They were covered with dust and dirt. Even with my layers of mosquito protective clothing, I still got cold around 4:00am. I did go inside where it was warmer. Comfort does make a difference when it comes to dancing. However, I was not a energetic as I usually am. I guess you have to be a tough guy to rough it up at outdoor raves :) The one good thing about FUTURE was Moby. He was excellent. Despite some technical difficulties, he performed with an extremely high amount of energy. He's been the best techno act I've seen. He works up audience and really encourages them to get involved. With the exception of Merge, I thought the rest of the acts sucked. On my way to the rave there was an auto accident. It looked like some ravers were hurt, but not too seriously, at least I hope so. My conclusion about outside raves is that they are more trouble than they are worth. If you have hassles with the police about the level of music, then forget it. I'll take my warehouse or airplane hanger space over an outdoor space anyday. - Rob [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 18:42:22 PDT From: "Tim Hyland" Subject: Out door raves In-Reply-To: WRPYR:robcamp@well.sf.ca.us's message of 06-29-92 17:30 Rob writes: >My conclusion about outside raves is that they are more trouble >than they are worth. If you have hassles with the police about the >level of music, then forget it. I'll take my warehouse or airplane >hanger space over an outdoor space anyday. Here in San Francisco outdoor raves have been going on for a little over a year. A group calling themselves the Full Moon Massive puts on outdoor raves every full moon and a promoter named Preston has been having daytime raves in Golden Gate Park. The cool thing is that the FMM and Preston both do these raves because they are fun. No cover usually -- often they just pass a hat around to collect some money to pay a little bit to the DJs and the people who carried the speakers and electric generators. The Full Moon Raves move around and are often on beaches or where ever they think they can make a lot of noise and park a lot of cars without getting noticed by the cops or neighbors. About half of them get shutdown due to not having permits or obstructing traffic. A few of them have had cops show up only to say "have fun and clean up when you're done" as long as nothing illegal is going on. Hardly ever any alcohol, although lately the highschool/frat crowd has discovered these raves. With the right location and the right planning the outdoor raves are great! The best was on the Winter Solstice last December, which was the same day as the full moon and a lunar eclipse! Sometimes it's foggy or (gasp) even raining but I've always had a good time -- EvEn without hElp, if you catch my EXcEllEntly subtlE drift. Preston's daytime raves in the park are always fun. Not as high-energy, but everyone there is there to have fun. Some sit and picnic watching the dancers, some are dancing or bouncing around. Some people play games. There's always an audience of a few tourists or families, but they add to the fun, sometimes joining in. The last one I went to a few weeks ago had at least 500 people dancing in their barefeet under the trees with the sun shining. Wow. It always seems like a love-in from the 60's. These things are probably the closest thing our generation will come to Woodstock, not that FUTURE thing, or whatever it was that someone made a reference to earlier. Anyway, hope the scene picks up for you guys back East! Share and Enjoy, Tim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 01:28:33 -0400 From: jna@silver.lcs.mit.edu (daring adventures) Subject: Re: Michelangelo III (Summary: hee hee hee) Umm, you guys are all weenied out.. I could build one of your silly mind-machines for umm... $5 to $15, considering that you had a spare computer hanging about that did stereo; Which I know most of us have.. With an Amiga, a _basic_ program, two transistors, and two leds, you'd have it.. If you wanted to do it without the computer, Use two 556 timers (that gives you _4_ timers) and you sync 'em all up to the knobs and what not... one 555 used as an LFO and the other as a stable frequency... then you use the knobs to modulate the stable carrier frequency (and the LFO will make that nice 7Hz beat frequency) get some headphones ($1.99 surplus) and blammo.. You use two super-bright LED's (oh, what's that, $4?) and then you use the other two 555's which are running around eachother in a Phase Locked Look (PLL) to blink back and forth. If you throw another transistor or two in (pennies!) you can make the lights do all sorts of fucked up brain things. I'll build one for less than $10 and show it off.. :) I might even be nice and GIF the schematics :) -Jophn [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 22:44:40 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Inexpensive brain machines. I have a schematic for a simple brain machine based on a 555 and one trans- istor. It can be built for under $10.00 if you don't include the cost of the ultrabright LED's and the swim goggles. If there is anyone who is interested, send me a sase and an extra stamp. (to pay for photocopies.) to POB 170156, SF CA. 94117. (specify that it's for the barin machine schematic.) Thanks, Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 23:01:44 PDT From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont) Subject: Magazine project,and Future rave. I have some friends here in SF, and we're thinking of putting out a non-commercial rave culture magazine.We're hoping to have something with depth,not just another ad magazine . Does anyone have any ideas for articles, or maybye want to contribute.Also- I was curious how the Future rave went.A friend of mine, Dante Maure, was involved with it, and I know that he was hoping for the best, despite a few problems with the DC promoters...Did anyone try the smartbar there? -Chris. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Brayin' My Sheens (We Knee High Jinx) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 03:10:35 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU > I could build one of your silly mind-machines for umm... $5 to $15, > considering that you had a spare computer hanging about that did stereo I guess we have a difference in costing philosophy. I throw the 'puter into the budget, and we're now up a few thou, depending on the model. > With an Amiga, a _basic_ program, two transistors, and two leds, you'd have > it.. Well, you'd have *something*, but not something equivalent to the gadgets that were at Michelangelo III, which was where we started with this. The eye units had at least 4 bulbs (maybe they were LEDs, but if so, they're a *lot* brighter than any LED I ever saw before). > If you wanted to do it without the computer, There was a fair amount of program control over what went on with the eyes & ears. Nothing really astonishing, but still one must account for that. That's why I figure you might want a PLA or something like that to hold the sequencing and timing info. They weren't engaging in any real-time knob twiddling. > get some headphones ($1.99 surplus) Where? Eli's? > I'll build one for less than $10 and show it off.. :) OK. Yer on! -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 08:35:39 -0400 From: "Liquid Spherical Imaging Process" Subject: Smart Bar at Future Chris Beaumont asks : "Did anyone try the smartbar there [at the DC Future rave"? My friend Mike, whom I was with, bought a drink. I must say, it was GREAT! It tasted like a stawberry banana shake that had a tinge of the "Orange Julius" flavor to it. Very delicious. I have a question. I thought I knew what hardcore was, but when I went to Future they played some really "hard" stuff (not too mention plain ass boring!). Is this the new wave of hardcore? I have heard stuff off of the DIRECT DRIVE label, and it sounds decent, but very monotonous. Is this the music that everyone is "raving" about. I mean, I read posts from LA and SF about people loving "hardcore", but then these same people get excited when Rozalla is signed to perform somewhere. That is a contradiction in styles. Where do groups like Messiah and Oh-Bionic and Atomizer fit in? Are there varying levels of "hardcore"? I heard Adam X and Jimmy Crash mix, but the music they were mixing with all sounded "EXACTLY" the same. I wouldn't think it would be too hard to mix with a completely repetitive beat and a droning synth. Are they so far ahead of the pack music wise that what they are playing is the future in techno? If it is, then I want off of the train, because this new wave of techno sounds *very* unoriginal and entirely boring. My II cents, Damian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 09:44:55 -0700 From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) Subject: Re: Smart Bar at Future >I have a question. I thought I knew what hardcore was, but when I went >to Future they played some really "hard" stuff (not too mention plain >ass boring!). Is this the new wave of hardcore? I have heard stuff off >of the DIRECT DRIVE label, and it sounds decent, but very monotonous. Is >this the music that everyone is "raving" about. I mean, I read posts from >LA and SF about people loving "hardcore", but then these same people get >excited when Rozalla is signed to perform somewhere. That is a contradiction >in styles. Where do groups like Messiah and Oh-Bionic and Atomizer fit >in? Are there varying levels of "hardcore"? I heard Adam X and Jimmy >Crash mix, but the music they were mixing with all sounded "EXACTLY" the >same. I wouldn't think it would be too hard to mix with a completely >repetitive beat and a droning synth. Are they so far ahead of the pack >music wise that what they are playing is the future in techno? If it is, >then I want off of the train, because this new wave of techno sounds *very* >unoriginal and entirely boring. >My II cents, >Damian Hardcore is another label people have felt compelled to bestow upon themselves; I think's it's more evidence of a backlash to the "wailing diva" situation (I'M NOT TAKING SIDES - I like it all :) At its best, it signifies the total mindfuck techno; with hard, fast beats and dissonant "melodies" (sounding more like an alarm clock, perhaps, or a school bell), the music is designed to take a crowd, already hypnotized by the music, over the top and drive them nuts. It may be painful, yes, but that's part of the "joy" in it. I would consider Equitek's "Stylus Flight", Aphex Twin's "Digeridoo", TD5's "Sonic Trance Vol. 1", and "1000 Ohm!" and "200 Ohm!" compilations to be "hardcore"... At its worst, "hardcore" can be another example of rap's boosterism seeping into the techno music scene. It can be an excuse for musicians to cop out as far as creating layers and melodies and sounds are concerned, and to let them put into inane lyrics like "Get Up! Get Up" or "only for the HARD-CORE". Examples of bad hardcore would be Digital Boy (I heard the album is good, but the few singles I've heard are kinda weak) and Human Resource's album (just the opposite - the "Dominator" remixes are great, but the album is weak, IMHO). I was in DMC on Melrose a couple of weeks ago, and this woman walks in and asks the guy at the counter, in a really prissy voice, "Do you have any hardcore rave music?" The guy proceeded to pull out a compilation with O Fortuna, with Sonz of a Loop De Loop Era, and then even up to Aphex Twin, and she just kept shaking her head, "nope, harder. Harder." So finally he turned around and took out two records and put them on the store's turntables; one was one of those records with just beats, and he put on something like a 145 beat that sounded fairly gut wrenching (he had it pitched up to +8, too) Then he put Lou Reed's "Metal Music Machine" on the other turntable. Don't ask me what DMC was doing with a Lou Reed record, but when he mixed it in seemlessly, the woman almost had a heart attack. "Yes! Yes! Yes! Oh god, Yes!" Hmm.....(For those of you who don't know too much about Lou Reed, MMM is an album he made because he had one more record to go in a record contract he wanted to get out of, so he picked up a guitar and created 10 distortion- drenched "songs" in a matter of hours - little melody, mostly feedback. I'm gonna have to get myself a vinyl copy now.....) Brian [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 12:39:53 PDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: [thyland@us.oracle.com: Out door raves] From: "Tim Hyland" >Preston's daytime raves in the park are always fun. Not as high-energy, but >everyone there is there to have fun. Some sit and picnic watching the dancers, >some are dancing or bouncing around. Some people play games. There's always >an audience of a few tourists or families, but they add to the fun, sometimes >joining in. The last one I went to a few weeks ago had at least 500 people >dancing in their barefeet under the trees with the sun shining. Wow. It >always seems like a love-in from the 60's. These things are probably the >closest thing our generation will come to Woodstock, not that FUTURE thing, or >whatever it was that someone made a reference to earlier. Why should we compare the rave culture to Woodstock at all? Woodstock was a rainy 3 day festival of mud and straights (look at photographs of Woodstock - how many people actually look like countercultural types at all? Most look like straights to me), along with tedious performances from bands that should have done better and just straight awful music from bands that sucked from the word go. The Woodstock "nation" was highly exclusive - if you weren't there, you could't possibly appreciate it, is the standard line I've heard. Fuck that. Rave culture seems like a more genuine grassroots phenomenon. Woodstock was a onetime thing that people came from all over to see. Raves are localized, and presumably retain some local character. Finally, would you really WANT to attend a rave with 300,000 people? Sorry to sound flamish, it's really not intended that way. I'm just really sick of the myth-making that goes on about the sixties, and Woodstock in particular. If rave culture really is all its cracked up to be, the potential seems far greater. - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 12:55:28 PDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Smart Bar at Future From: Vitamin B (Brian Behlendorf) >I was in DMC on Melrose a couple of weeks ago, and this woman walks in >and asks the guy at the counter, in a really prissy voice, "Do you have any >hardcore rave music?" The guy proceeded to pull out a compilation with O >Fortuna, with Sonz of a Loop De Loop Era, and then even up to Aphex Twin, and >she just kept shaking her head, "nope, harder. Harder." So finally he turned >around and took out two records and put them on the store's turntables; one >was one of those records with just beats, and he put on something like a >145 beat that sounded fairly gut wrenching (he had it pitched up to +8, too) >Then he put Lou Reed's "Metal Music Machine" on the other turntable. Don't >ask me what DMC was doing with a Lou Reed record, He was, perhaps, open-minded? >but when he mixed it in >seemlessly, the woman almost had a heart attack. "Yes! Yes! Yes! Oh god, Yes!" Hmm, it would seem to me that if metal Machine Music can induce that sort of reaction, they were quite wise to have MMM. >Hmm.....(For those of you who don't know too much about Lou Reed, MMM is an >album he made because he had one more record to go in a record contract he >wanted to get out of, so he picked up a guitar and created 10 distortion- >drenched "songs" in a matter of hours - little melody, mostly feedback. I'm >gonna have to get myself a vinyl copy now.....) The final proof that everything is connected. I didn't know there were 10 "songs", I had heard it was just 4 sides of wailing feedback, each 16:01 minutes long. But it makes perfect sense - Lou Reed brought droning and repetition (by way of Lamont Young and other Avant Garde types) to pop music with the Velvet Underground and then made the next logical step with MMM. Now that dance music has caught up with the message that even more droning and repetition is a good thing, MM can assume its proper place. For seekers after this elusive sonic nirvana, I also recommend Spacemen 3's DREAMWEAPON album. It's a little pricey (I paid about 18 bucks for the vinyl on import), but it's worth it. Side 1 is a beautiful, hypnotic slab of sonic sludge. A whole 33 1/3 album side of ambient noise, distortion, subtle feedback, etc. Side 2, "Ecstasy in Slow Motion", is a full side of what sounds like someone producing harmonics on a synthesizer and forcing the resulting sound onto multiple tracks, each with different effects. It also tracks from the center of the record to the edge. This record is beautiful. This side might be ideal for mixing purposes, since there's no real rhythm to speak of. Distinctions between what's "ambient" and what's just "noise" are getting vague. I like this. - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Yo, Dude, You Are SOOO Right! Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 14:31:13 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU > they played some really "hard" stuff (not too mention plain ass boring!). This is my experience with the underground raves, so far. Bo-ring. Bo the fuck ring. I am not a wuss for noise, either; this stuff simply pins the Bo meter right past 10 all the way to Ring. > it sounds decent, but very monotonous. Every 'song' of this form I have yet ingested is simply "boop boop boop bip bip boop boop boop bip bip bip". 'Course, let it be known that Kraftwerk was *not* my fave Krautrock band, either. Faust (especially), Neu!, Can, Popol Vuh, even the lowly Amon Duul II, and later, DAF were all a *lot* more interesting. > the music they were mixing with all sounded "EXACTLY" the same. To be generous, we are probably both being exposed to the less-creative of the genre. Or, and this is my essential hunch, it's outright hucksterism. Some charlatan realizes that they can actually make *big bucks* offering up stuff this simple, and goes out to rake it in. > I wouldn't think it would be too hard to mix with a completely repetitive > beat and a droning synth. What *I've* heard so far, you could produce with less than a page of code. Go in, set up, sit back, tear down, take the money, and run. It just screams "market opportunity" for anyone with a tad of equipment. > [If this is the future] then I want off of the train, because this new wave > of techno sounds *very* unoriginal and entirely boring. Check out other forms. Check out the past. You can be hipper than the trend- following scenesters by *defining* the next wave. Sounds like you already are. -- Jim "Bring On The Divas" Puccio (more, more, I'm still not satisfied!) "You can make big money writing matchbook covers that say ..." [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 14:53:50 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU > The final proof that everything is connected. Here's where I get to drag Faust fully into the fray - see below. > I didn't know there were 10 "songs", I had heard it was just 4 sides of > wailing feedback, each 16:01 minutes long. That's about right - for the vinyl. Note also, that it has recently reappeared on CD (I've seen/heard the very artifact)! But I challenge you to find a copy! > But it makes perfect sense - Lou Reed brought droning and repetition (by way > of Lamont Young and other Avant Garde types) to pop music with the Velvet > Underground and then made the next logical step with MMM. Lou Reed was part of this process, yes, but I think you overstate his role a tad. Think *John Cale*. Also, there were some other people who are less popularly known, such as Tony Conrad who were in the VU/Lamont Young core. Conrad is worth mentioning, due to the fact that he also made a (very very very rare) record with the (most creative) German band Faust, called "Beyond the Dream Syndicate" in the early 70s, which is *most* pre-industrio/droneful. I remember playing it for some 70s post-hippie types, and getting the response that it reminded them of radiator noise. Two sides. > Distinctions between what's "ambient" and what's just "noise" are getting > vague. They were vague to start with. "Ambient" as a label was applied after the fact by Brian Eno, and siezed upon by the New Agers, who pasteurized the form into mush. -- Jim "Line up Crash the sound You lose your hand to understand The accident is red" -- Faust, 1971. [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 12:13:46 PDT puccio on `metal machine music': >That's about right - for the vinyl. Note also, that it has recently reappeared >on CD (I've seen/heard the very artifact)! But I challenge you to find a copy! i saw a whole bunch of copies at tower records last time i was in there. it's an import, so it's pricey, but definitely available. Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eye to eye, sad winners and loser, hurt by envy, caught by greed... [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 15:08:52 PDT From: dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Yes, of course. I should have made the point that Cale was the conduit through which much of the Lamont Young influence came through. Cale's a real gadfly - he simultaneously figures among my influences both for backing the VU *and* being vaguely involved with Nick Drake's music. Wotta world. MMM has also resurfaced on Lou's boxed set, or at least an excerpt has. I think that album has the distinction of being more influential to people who haven't heard it than many albums they actually HAVE heard (I've never heard it, but I know I'll be more influenced by it than say, a Wilson Phillips record). I suppose I really do have to make a serious exploration of the whole German scene now. Any CAN recommendations? :-) I was thinking about the odd role that new agers play in the process ofspreading this sort of music around. One must face the fact that a decent ambient/noise/drone collection necessitates at least an aknowledgement of new age takes on the idea. I mean, those Eno records are practically new age classic rock (in terms of current perception). Sorry to veer off from raves, but free association is like that. - Dan [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 12:29:28 PDT >I suppose I really do have to make a serious exploration of the whole >German scene now. Any CAN recommendations? :-) check out the david sylvian/holger czukay collaborations. i have "plight and premonition" and it's a beaut. real good post-rave music (to make this slightly applicable to the mailing list). DJ Spun likes to stop his sets and spin some of the sylvian/czukay stuff before coming back in with the beat. /j/ [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: steve@mars.cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 15:50:52 EDT > tad. Think *John Cale*. Also, there were some other people who are less I recall a tedious thread on r.m.i as to whether or not John Cale produced what could be called music. I for one have never heard him so I cannot say. I hope we do not have enough (what appeared to be closed minded) folk here to start arguing this point. > -- Jim ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 13:08:53 PDT steve smith errs: >I recall a tedious thread on r.m.i as to whether or not John Cale produced >what could be called music. I for one have never heard him so I cannot say. That was JOHN CAGE, not john cale. Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why kill time when you can kill yourself? [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 12:25:53 PDT From: Derek Chung Subject: This Week's Poll This Week's SF Raves Poll! A) I like Wailing Divas B) I hate Wailing Divas C) I am a Wailing Diva! ________________________________________________ Derek Chung Oracle Graphics dhchung@oracle.com (415)506-6195 P.S. Still kidding. Don't really send me your votes! :) :) :) [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] From: steve@mars.cse.fau.edu (Steve Smith) Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 16:14:26 EDT Sorry, my faulty memory screwed up a single letter. They were talking about John Cage not John Cale forgive my ingorance. ___________________________________________________________ (_____ | (______ Internet: steve@cse.fau.edu ___________)___|__________) Bitnet: S_SMITH@FAUVAX [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Re: Metal Machine Music, Lamont Young, Tony Conrad, Faust Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 16:27:48 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU > I suppose I really do have to make a serious exploration of the whole German > scene now. Yes. A lot of influential stuff was done in Germany in the 70s. In a way (and this may not be important to you, but anyway), no complete understanding of underground 'wave can be had without knowing this music. Unfortunately, you have a difficult time ahead of you, since so much of that music has long since gone out of print. On the other hand, I have noticed that lots of mutant classics have been reappearing as CD resissues in recent years, so things may be less dismal than I think. If you really care, I can try to put together a list of German highlights of the period for you to try to follow up. (Unfortunately, the 70s have this rep as being the time of David Cassidy, Saturday Night Fever, Kansas 8 track carts and so on. Most people don't realize how much really interesting and influential experimental music came out of that decade. It never achieved the *notoriety* of the 60s, but there's a real treasure trove there for anybody willing to excavate.) Oh, there were some (even earlier) US precursors, too. Silver Apples springs to mind. > Any CAN recommendations? :-) Sure, but it depends on what you're after. My faves are "Tago Mago" and "Ege Bamyasi Okraschoten" - they're good soundtracks to synaesthetic experiences. They change quite a bit over the years. Album #1 was "Monster Movie," which I thought was really stupid when I first heard it, but by the time 'wave was taking place, I finally saw its greatness. Later albums become "funkier," but in general, I don't think you'll find them to be dance classic material; it dances in your head. Since there really are no "bad" Can albums, I'd say just experiment with 'em. > I was thinking about the odd role that new agers play in the process of > spreading this sort of music around. One must face the fact that a decent > ambient/noise/drone collection necessitates at least an aknowledgement of > new age takes on the idea. Well, I don't know. I think you can collect everything on Eno's Obscure label (if you can find/afford it), and even get enjoyment out of his Ambient series, but I don't think it's unfair to skip completely over Windham Hill and the gazillion cassette artists and pick back up again with the likes of Hugo Largo and Hetch Hetchy. > I mean, those Eno records are practically new age classic rock (in terms of > current perception). Try them in a cozy situation with a cuddly pal and some X. This was my favorite activity of the 80s. They do work (but so does Popol Vuh's "Affenstunde" or the Harmonic Choir or the Glass Orchestra or Hari Deuter or early to middle period Jon Hassell or Harley Gaber's "The Wind Rises in the North" or Tim Buckley's "Starsailor" or "Lorca" or Tangerine Dream's "Zeit" or Mongolian vocal music or Tantric Tibetan chanting and trumpets or the US Steel Cello Ensemble or ...) -- Jim [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Subject: Dr. Faustus, I Presume? (long - includes critspeak) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 92 22:14:18 -0400 From: puccio@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU >From "Best", August 1972 In spring 1971, Werner Diermaier, Hans-Joachim Irmler, Jean-Herve Peron, Rudolph Sosna, and Gunther Wusthoff cloistered themselves in a converted schoolhouse between Hamburg and Bremen, with all the necessary electronic and acoustic equipment, to produce *their* sounds and *their* music. They were called Faust. At present they are the most avantgarde group in Germany, if not the world. "Faust", the first album to result from this single-minded retreat, was at first hearing quite disconcerting. Then one listens again and finds that this sound-collage releases something, takes on meaning, and begins to make an impression. One starts to be intrigued by this totally transparent record [JP note: The original Polydor release was clear vinyl, the label info was embossed on the plastic, rather than pasted on, and the sleeve and liner were made of clear plastic. A truly impressive artifact!], by the shifting dreams and incantations of "Meadow Meal"; one is surprised by the richness in the expressive chaos of "Miss Fortune", which covers Side Two and which was recorded under live conditions. Faust are already unquestionably more advanced than any of their fellow-countrymen. They've mastered the nuances of electro-acoustic sound and employ this knowledge with audacity. In fact, one's only reservations concern the question of such experiment remaining widely communicable - for isn't there a danger of insularity? To this, Faust reply: "It's not a record you can listen to all day. But when you've been listening to other kinds of music, it's really good to hear it." Their second album, "So Far", suggests that despite everything the group appear to want to increase the amount of help they give the listener. "We've nothing against dance music - we can use the sounds and effects we've developed in such a way now that people are going to really want to get up and move around to them." Thus, "So Far", the title track, posesses a rhythmic regularity which lends an almost conventional stability to its progress. But, elsewhere, one hears more of Faust's dislocated, baroque music, spiced with fleeting quotations, with melodic irony, grotesque and grandiose, and with tension relieved by practical jokes. Faust remain one of the most exciting of today's rock groups. -- Christian Lebrun * * * >From "Rock & Folk", February 1972 The term Rock-and-Roll isn't adequate to describe something which transcends all the limits of contemporary music. New and outlandish sounds assembled with a remarkable grasp of the aesthetics of sonority. Burns and caresses, the grating of metal, the crackling of electricity. All the resources of the studio and the science of electronics are here exploited with a devouring curiosity, but also with a remarkable sense of proportion. For, in the game of technique for technique's sake, Faust risked nothing less than the loss of their soul. That soul lives on amidst the crashing and grinding of a music which leaves all coldness behind and which, when it wants to, can be very moving. Moreover, intelligence guides its every development for, behind the delirious, dizzying effects it houses, a musical structure reveals itself, profiling a series of fixed designs around which impromptu ideas can be scattered. A structure that's a firm guarantee against the kind of chaos in which all experiments like this risk foundering, but which is nonetheless flexible enough to encompass the spontaneity necessary to prevent the experiment seizing up - as happend with so many other explorations in contemporary music. The result is some of the most intense and authentically innovative music in the history of rock. Faust is indisputably a group to be seen and heard. -- Philippe Paringaux * * * >From "Sounds", July 1972 In the search for a new approach to music, a new concept or at least a different eye on things, it seems to me that people have been clutching rather wildly at straws. It's entirely understandable that, with the British music scene seemingly obsessed with its own and other peoples' past, with the vast explosion of the nouveau cliche, and very few people coming up with anything approaching originality of thought in their music, the seemingly rootless and unaccustomed sound of music from other European countries should be hailed as What We All Need. But personally, with the possible exception of some of the things Can have produced and the odd flashes from a couple of Danish bands, I haven't heard anything from the Eurorock tribe that has really satisfied me. Cautiously, then, I'll say that what I've heard from the German band Faust makes me think that here at last is a band I can appreciate not only for their ideas, but also sit back and enjoy. Their first album was confusing when I first heard it, but side two which was recorded "live" - that is, with no overdubbing - flows in a way that is more immediately obvious. My main reservation about the whole album is that the ideas haven't been translated into the technology as successfully as they could have been, and - in a way like Roxy Music - Faust don't have that intuitive feel that you get from musicians who've grown through a few bands, with some years on the road behind them. Their second album, "So Far", seems to have allayed both those reservations. But what really marks them out for me is their rare ability to be serious without being over-earnest - not a sense of humour exactly, but a sense of proportion. So far they haven't done any live gigs and they won't until they're absolutely sure they can make it work in concert the way it works in a studio. It's not so much perfectionism, as a feeling that there's no point in going out and playing something that isn't what they envisaged. -- Steve Peacock * * * >From "Disc", 1972 The first time I heard tell of Faust was when I saw their extraordinary first LP in its equally extraordinary sleeve and felt that, regardless of the music within, I had to acquire one. When the music turned out to be highly original and very exciting that was a welcome bonus. Their single, "It's Bit Of A Pain" occurred during sessions for the second LP - which I've not yet heard - and will serve as an introduction to the band. I would advise you to hear the LP though because it must be one of the most important of the past few years. It's not often that you hear a band that is heading off in a totally new direction - and it's surprising that when you do many of them are from the COntinent. It would be easy to say that Faust's music was Germanic and to let it go at that but I don't think that would be enough. It's really music born of a technological age in which there is neither time nor room for sentiment. Faust paint a bleak vision with music in much the same was Leonard Cohen or Nico do with words. It is not easy to describe it in terms of what has gone before. -- John Peel * * * >From "New Musical Express", March 1973 Noting all the minor innovations in rock since Lennon and McCartney hauled the music bodily out of the twelve-bar trap of rock-and-roll and rhythm-and-blues - noting Brian Wilson's visionary production job on "Good Vibrations", noting the experiments half completed by the Velvet Underground and the United States of America into the sound-limits of a Late Sixties rock group, noting Captain Beefheart's casually suggested fusion of primitive blues with free jazz ("free rock", in fact) on "Trout Mask Replica", and forgetting neither "A Day in the Life", "Tomorrow Never Knows", or "I Am The Walrus" - taking all of these contributions into account, I have to say thet the *implications* of what Faust are doing form the most significant conceptual revolution in rock for ten years. Why should such a revolution have occurred in a country which has next to nothing in the way of a rock tradition (inasmuch as it is possible to speak of a "tradition" in a field which, at most, encompasses only two decades)? Precisely because of the absent tradition - and its no coincidence that the first writers to recognise this were from France, a country likewise lacking in rock "roots". "Rock & Folk"'s Philippe Paringaux has observed that the more adventurous of the German bands owe their experimental precepts to the fact that, posessing neither the traditions nor the temperaments of American and British rock musicians, they "view rock as it's played in its land of origin with a certain amount of detachment, eliminating to the best of their ability ant attempts to reproduce a 'feeling' which cannot belong to them ... taking no more from American or British rock than a state of mind". Listening to Faust, who are by far the most extreme of the German experimental bands, one can indeed discern that which might be termed "the rock consciosness", but at the same time one is forced to admit the element of rock in the group's work is neither crucial, nor particularly salient. Faust, at their least compromising, simply play *music* using instruments developed through rock. Uwe Nettlebeck is Faust's producer, advisor, and encourager. He formed the band in early 1971 looking for the definitive "detached" German rock-group. "The idea", Uwe recalls, "was not to copy anything going on in the Anglo-Saxon rock scene - and it worked. I like Faust, because their music is just not 'industrial product'. They're not 'professional' in that sense - they're just trying to be themselves and put out nothing but their own music. We've always liked the idea of releasing records which lacked conventional 'finish' in terms of production but which have that private thrill of spontaneity that I miss in the business. In other words: the records should sound like bootlegs, as if recorded by somebody who passed a group rehearsing or jamming and then cut the material wildly together." Because of the demands of a commercial company, this idea has only been partially realised on Faust's two records, but I've heard selections from the band's provate tapes, and this collaging technique, in its undiluted state, is one of Faust's most radical conceptions. It differs primarily from the kind of sound-collages made by Frank Zappa in that Zappa is creating ambiguities by juxtaposing apparently unrelated ideas (including ad-libbed speech, musique concrete, and finished - and self-sufficient - songs). In other words, part of Zappa's talent is purely organizational. He *organizes* the sounds he's predetermined and creates continuity where none has existed before (by simple virtue of the components being separate). On the other hand, the components of Faust's music aren't concieved as separate. They take the notion of continuity so much for granted that one sometimes gets the feeling that, behind that amazing rapid-fire of successive musical images, there was once a straight-forward, unassuming little 12-bar. Faust aren't like Zappa, trying to piece together a jigsaw with pieces taken from several different jigsaw sets; they're taking a single picture (which may be extremely unorthodox in its virgin state), chopping it into jigsaw-pieces, and fitting it together again in a different way. Both methods have their order and logic, but Faust *has* to be less contrived in that their materials are from a single body of musical thought. This New Continuity is as organic as the band's entirely processed sound, ie, it *is* the music, not just an organized embellishment of it. Once again, a French critic put his finger on the particular quality of the urgency this feature of Faust's music posesses: "Bob Dylan, believing that the Cuba Crisis would let loose an atomic cataclysm, composed 'A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall', in which each line was the idea for a separate song he didn't believe he would have the time to write. Faust's music is a bit like that; each part seems to be a part of a whole music that time is pressing them to play." How did Faust arrive at this concept? By simply investigating the technology of the rock medium in the same way that they arrived at synthesizing, not one sound or instrument, but the whole group; by really *looking* at the art and meaning of magnetic tape-editing, and then cross-indexing this with the naturally interrupted continuity of everyday experience. Contemplating the electronic Mephistopheles that Faust Had to invoke to reach this position, Philippe PAringaux points out that the band "risk nothing less than the loss of their soul" - which is exactly what most of the parallel experiments in mainstream have foundered on. Perhaps because of the group's own vision, perhaps because of Uwe Nettlebeck's taste and acumen, Faust have kept body and sould intact while sending rock a vertiginous step forward in its evolution. -- Ian McDonald [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] ** End of Ne-Raves Digest **