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I'm changing places soon and want to move to a more musically active city.
Raves, a progressive municipality (city gov.), and being politically hot are
all important to me.
Help narrow down a long list of places so I can start planning solid.
Please.

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I would recomend Scranton, PA -- the scene there is off the hook

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Subject: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 9:38 PM

I'm changing places soon and want to move to a more musically active city.
Raves, a progressive municipality (city gov.), and being politically hot are
all important to me.
Help narrow down a long list of places so I can start planning solid.
Please.

Thanks.



      
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I agree

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would recomend Scranton, PA -- the scene there is off the hook
>
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Daniel Adaszynski <novaprospekts@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Daniel Adaszynski <novaprospekts@gmail.com>
> Subject: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 9:38 PM
>
> I'm changing places soon and want to move to a more musically active city.
> Raves, a progressive municipality (city gov.), and being politically hot
> are
> all important to me.
> Help narrow down a long list of places so I can start planning solid.
> Please.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>

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Please keep it limited to North America. I have addressed other people for
other continents.

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Pennsylvania is in north America.................
 
i would just stay in NYC if you are from here & travel when u need a  
fix................. 



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Now, I actually ment Pennsylvania, Australia -- learn some geography

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Pennsylvania is in north America.................
 
i would just stay in NYC if you are from here & travel when u need a  
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

San Francisco would be your target city, really. Or Berkeley, which  
still has pretty direct access to the SF rave/art/party scene.  
Burning Man hosts compression/decompression parties in SF, for fucks  
sake.

I haven't checked it out recently, but apparently it's quite  
expensive and hard to find work in. My advice would be to only move  
there if you can get a job secured before you arrive...

It's where I'm moving when I get out of school, for real.

- Tom

On Aug 1, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Daniel Adaszynski wrote:

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> Raves, a progressive municipality (city gov.), and being  
> politically hot are
> all important to me.
> Help narrow down a long list of places so I can start planning solid.
> Please.
>
> Thanks.


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Also try Des Moine, Iowa -- It's a charming city with a vibrant arts and st=
reet gang scene. Whether you're=A0 blood, crip, latin kind, MS-13 or just r=
olling with a local set, you can quicklymake some noise. Remember to never =
leave your burner at home, sometimes the best art is the blood slattered on=
 the wall after a botched robbery attempt.=A0Also you camp bump some ill be=
ats in tricked out Novas and=A0Impalas before you go on driveby's=A0-- so a=
s far as music, it's a real hardcore,=A0raw environment. Kind of like San F=
ransisco only it's easier to get a job. Actually you can just=A0make your o=
wn job. Lots of luck my friend. If you want to see Burning Man, go to Des M=
oine - it takes on a whole=A0knew meaning. Before you know it, you and your=
 man might be burning, or least lit up. What a sight! What a city. I am goi=
ng there in Septemeber... maybe we can meet up

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: "Daniel Adaszynski" <novaprospekts@gmail.com>
Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:24 AM

San Francisco would be your target city, really. Or Berkeley, which =20
still has pretty direct access to the SF rave/art/party scene. =20
Burning Man hosts compression/decompression parties in SF, for fucks =20
sake.

I haven't checked it out recently, but apparently it's quite =20
expensive and hard to find work in. My advice would be to only move =20
there if you can get a job secured before you arrive...

It's where I'm moving when I get out of school, for real.

- Tom

On Aug 1, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Daniel Adaszynski wrote:

> I'm changing places soon and want to move to a more musically =20
> active city.
> Raves, a progressive municipality (city gov.), and being =20
> politically hot are
> all important to me.
> Help narrow down a long list of places so I can start planning solid.
> Please.
>
> Thanks.


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How...  shamelessly violent.  To each their own, I suppose.

...What wrong with good ol' Brooklyn?  BK is what's up as far as I'm 
concerned.

Alex Shtaerman wrote:
> Also try Des Moine, Iowa -- It's a charming city with a vibrant arts and street gang scene. Whether you're  blood, crip, latin kind, MS-13 or just rolling with a local set, you can quicklymake some noise. Remember to never leave your burner at home, sometimes the best art is the blood slattered on the wall after a botched robbery attempt. Also you camp bump some ill beats in tricked out Novas and Impalas before you go on driveby's -- so as far as music, it's a real hardcore, raw environment. Kind of like San Fransisco only it's easier to get a job. Actually you can just make your own job. Lots of luck my friend. If you want to see Burning Man, go to Des Moine - it takes on a whole knew meaning. Before you know it, you and your man might be burning, or least lit up. What a sight! What a city. I am going there in Septemeber... maybe we can meet up
>
> --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: "Daniel Adaszynski" <novaprospekts@gmail.com>
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:24 AM
>
> San Francisco would be your target city, really. Or Berkeley, which  
> still has pretty direct access to the SF rave/art/party scene.  
> Burning Man hosts compression/decompression parties in SF, for fucks  
> sake.
>
> I haven't checked it out recently, but apparently it's quite  
> expensive and hard to find work in. My advice would be to only move  
> there if you can get a job secured before you arrive...
>
> It's where I'm moving when I get out of school, for real.
>
> - Tom
>
> On Aug 1, 2008, at 9:38 PM, Daniel Adaszynski wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm changing places soon and want to move to a more musically  
>> active city.
>> Raves, a progressive municipality (city gov.), and being  
>> politically hot are
>> all important to me.
>> Help narrow down a long list of places so I can start planning solid.
>> Please.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>     
>
>
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In a message dated 8/2/2008 6:59:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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How...  shamelessly violent.  To each their own, I  suppose.

...What wrong with good ol' Brooklyn?  BK is what's up as  far as I'm 
concerned.


 
 
i agree :) I love Living in NYC!



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Done at cost: San Fransisco.
Done on the cheap: parts of the midwest.

Raves either require a *lot* of money, or a lot of empty buildings.

-D


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Where in BK?

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>
> In a message dated 8/2/2008 6:59:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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> How...  shamelessly violent.  To each their own, I  suppose.
>
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> concerned.
>
>
>
>
> i agree :) I love Living in NYC!
>
>
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hey all!
 
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Williamsburg & bushwick are hot spots for great parties............  well if 
you like techno at least :)  which i do so it suits me  fine!



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what techno parties are happening in hipsterville BK? girl talk shows???

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> Williamsburg & bushwick are hot spots for great parties............  well
> if
> you like techno at least :)  which i do so it suits me  fine!
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if you do not know about them then there is a reason for  
that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music you  would know about the 
vibrant life it has in NYC............ 
 
If you want to know about something ask privately then..............  there 
are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never want at  one 
of these parties cause they helped to kill the old one.............. The new  
scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their  parties.........
...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he seeks........ 
 

I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to crap by  these 
people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If keeping my  mouth 
shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............





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Super lulz!  I had completely forgotten about BTS.  Fun times...

-Josh

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Distort909@aol.com wrote:

>
> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music  
> you  would know about the
> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>
> If you want to know about something ask privately  
> then..............  there
> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never  
> want at  one
> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old one..............  
> The new
> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their   
> parties.........
> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he  
> seeks........
>
>
> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to crap  
> by  these
> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If keeping  
> my  mouth
> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>
>
>
>
>
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i thought they were a part of the past as well but no they are still out  
there  & older....







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i just spent 6 years in San Fran, and it's musically amazing. I'm now
in boston, which is not as great...but it's got a fantastic local
flavor (any suggestions?).

mainstream raves in that area were more focused in the central valley,
sacramento, etc, not what i did...i was more into the club and
underground scene in sf. lots of options. i still go to lovefest
(originally a loveparade event--not underground :) every
september...and will be there this year. take some friends this year,
and you'll feel the happiness in that city--well worth a plane ticket.

aside from the strong electronic scene, sf just has a great laid back
atmosphere generally (the whole of the west does, but SF in
particular)--people are always trying to party en masse (bay to
breakers, how weird, etc), and a few good dj sets/stages are integral
to any large, coordinated SF event, which i really miss--we're talking
aside from raves. the scene is integrated into society (in a very
good, healthy way), so if you want mainstream day to day partying, you
got it, but you can still enjoy the best in underground. i loved the
combination.

i have been interested by the development of the scene in southern
california. LA has been getting a lot of big talent recently (last few
years especially), and is really embracing the scene. i don't have a
whole lot of party experience there to fully endorse it, and i'm not
the biggest fan of the city(ies) in that area--too spread out, but
they've been partying in strength. i'm not positive, but i think it's
all too "pretty" for me.

i learned to party in the Denver area, which i also really like. the
city itself has matured a lot in the past decade, and the electronica
scene has been doing the same. I spent last summer in that area, and
enjoyed the south of colfax club district (very mainstream, and i
could see getting bored of it quickly). however, there are nice
smaller events, and one of my favorite cities in general. global dance
at red rocks is super (best large venue ever) for a mainstream large
event, and parties usually have great vibes and local talent.and
mountain parties win.

i must also endorse the laws in california and colorado. marijuana is
decriminilazed in both states--$100 fines (municipally legal in
denver, not that the state still won't get you), and the recent
medical marijuana laws in california have made it that much more
relaxed. it's not that uncommon to have a medical marijuana card.
other "things" are as illegal as anywhere--but they're in hot fashion.


galen


On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Super lulz!  I had completely forgotten about BTS.  Fun times...
>
> -Josh
>
> On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Distort909@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
>> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music you
>>  would know about the
>> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>>
>> If you want to know about something ask privately then..............
>>  there
>> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never want at
>>  one
>> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old one.............. The
>> new
>> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their
>>  parties.........
>> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he
>> seeks........
>>
>>
>> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to crap by
>>  these
>> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If keeping my
>>  mouth
>> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
>> budget?
>> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
>>
>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )
>
>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

I take direct issue with this statement -- "basically if you don't
know then you don't deserve to know" runs counter to the concept of
promoting an inclusive and liberating experience, and is one step down
the long and boring road to elitism and thuggish secrecy that has been
working very well so far for the police and other organizations that
avoid valuing the human element of existence.

everyone 'didn't know' before they started knowing what's up, but if
the attitude you promote was prevalent before you knew what raves
were, you'd have been excluded and your valuable contributions to the
'scene' would never had a chance to flourish.

please do me a personal favor and re-read the text at the following URL:

www.hermetic.com/bey/taz_cont.html

thanks.


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> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music you  would know about the
> vibrant life it has in NYC


-- 
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 -- Cole Porter
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Uh, sorry. I don't have time to read emails, i just look at the
subject line and fire off a response filled with crappy attitude.

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BTS is a secrect organization tied to New York City area Masonic lodges. The have been using the cover of "rave thugs" to manipulate key sectors of our infanstructure and corrupt many city institutions from the inside out. It is a disciplined and very well organize organization that ultimate goal is quietly 

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 4:30 PM

Super lulz!  I had completely forgotten about BTS.  Fun times...

-Josh

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Distort909@aol.com wrote:

>
> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music  
> you  would know about the
> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>
> If you want to know about something ask privately  
> then..............  there
> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never  
> want at  one
> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old one..............  
> The new
> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their   
> parties.........
> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he  
> seeks........
>
>
> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to crap  
> by  these
> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If keeping  
> my  mouth
> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your  
> budget?
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
>
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 
>  )


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BTS is a secrect organization tied to New York City area Masonic lodges. The have been using the cover of "rave thugs" to manipulate key sectors of our infanstructure and corrupt many city institutions from the inside out. It is a disciplined and very well organize organization that ultimate goal is quietly make New York City their private back yard. 

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 4:30 PM

Super lulz!  I had completely forgotten about BTS.  Fun times...

-Josh

On Aug 2, 2008, at 2:49 PM, Distort909@aol.com wrote:

>
> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music  
> you  would know about the
> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>
> If you want to know about something ask privately  
> then..............  there
> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never  
> want at  one
> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old one..............  
> The new
> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their   
> parties.........
> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he  
> seeks........
>
>
> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to crap  
> by  these
> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If keeping  
> my  mouth
> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your  
> budget?
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
>
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 
>  )


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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

I live in queens and I don't get a chance to see all the flyers for
underground parties in brooklyn.  All I hear about is the bunker and
some danger events.  Can you email me privately or comment on my blog
to clue me in?

-frank . count zero

http://www.deejaycountzero.com

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM,  <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music you  would know about the
> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>
> If you want to know about something ask privately then..............  there
> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never want at  one
> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old one.............. The new
> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their  parties.........
> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he seeks........
>
>
> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to crap by  these
> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If keeping my  mouth
> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )
>



-- 
peace,

frank . count zero

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

See, this is what he was talking about, Frank.  You don't know about  
any of these events, and there's a reason for that.  I think the "ask  
me privately" is so he can tell you why you don't know.

Just trying to be helpful
*PLUR*

-Josh
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:07 PM, count zero wrote:

> I live in queens and I don't get a chance to see all the flyers for
> underground parties in brooklyn.  All I hear about is the bunker and
> some danger events.  Can you email me privately or comment on my blog
> to clue me in?
>
> -frank . count zero
>
> http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM,  <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
>> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music  
>> you  would know about the
>> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>>
>> If you want to know about something ask privately  
>> then..............  there
>> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never  
>> want at  one
>> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old  
>> one.............. The new
>> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their   
>> parties.........
>> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he  
>> seeks........
>>
>>
>> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to crap  
>> by  these
>> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If keeping  
>> my  mouth
>> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your  
>> budget?
>> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 
>>  )
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> peace,
>
> frank . count zero
>
> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>
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sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.  not what i grew up with, certainly.

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> See, this is what he was talking about, Frank.  You don't know about any of
> these events, and there's a reason for that.  I think the "ask me privately"
> is so he can tell you why you don't know.
>
> Just trying to be helpful
> *PLUR*
>
> -Josh
> On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:07 PM, count zero wrote:
>
>> I live in queens and I don't get a chance to see all the flyers for
>> underground parties in brooklyn.  All I hear about is the bunker and
>> some danger events.  Can you email me privately or comment on my blog
>> to clue me in?
>>
>> -frank . count zero
>>
>> http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM,  <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
>>> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music you
>>>  would know about the
>>> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>>>
>>> If you want to know about something ask privately then..............
>>>  there
>>> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never want at
>>>  one
>>> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old one.............. The
>>> new
>>> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their
>>>  parties.........
>>> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he
>>> seeks........
>>>
>>>
>>> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to crap by
>>>  these
>>> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If keeping my
>>>  mouth
>>> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> peace,
>>
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sure.................   its a shame that i fear promoting on here  cause im 
sure there are a lot of good people that i could meet but the few bad  eggs 
that i want to avoid has me so jadded...............i really do feel bad  that my 
comments have offended some.............
 
when i used to do events & these kids came out it would always be a  problem 
& would cause me great deals of stress because i knew when there  around so 
are the bad energy & vibes...........
 
between the robbing & the dust smoking i just stop letting them in to  
parties. my biggest fear is that they start infiltrating other scenes that know  
nothing of what they are about & destroy it. 
 
 
anyway that's my rant :)
 
 
 



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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Not me, either.  I never lived in NYC and I went to a ton of parties,  
and knew about even more.  Not because I lived there, or knew the  
right people, but because people shared that information with me.  Ah  
well, it's a new era, I suppose...

-Josh

On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:24 PM, count zero wrote:

> sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.  not what i grew up with,  
> certainly.
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> See, this is what he was talking about, Frank.  You don't know  
>> about any of
>> these events, and there's a reason for that.  I think the "ask me  
>> privately"
>> is so he can tell you why you don't know.
>>
>> Just trying to be helpful
>> *PLUR*
>>
>> -Josh
>> On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:07 PM, count zero wrote:
>>
>>> I live in queens and I don't get a chance to see all the flyers for
>>> underground parties in brooklyn.  All I hear about is the bunker and
>>> some danger events.  Can you email me privately or comment on my  
>>> blog
>>> to clue me in?
>>>
>>> -frank . count zero
>>>
>>> http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM,  <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
>>>> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music  
>>>> you
>>>> would know about the
>>>> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>>>>
>>>> If you want to know about something ask privately  
>>>> then..............
>>>> there
>>>> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never  
>>>> want at
>>>> one
>>>> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old  
>>>> one.............. The
>>>> new
>>>> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their
>>>> parties.........
>>>> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he
>>>> seeks........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to  
>>>> crap by
>>>> these
>>>> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If  
>>>> keeping my
>>>> mouth
>>>> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
>>>> budget?
>>>> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
>>>>
>>>> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 
>>>>  )
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> peace,
>>>
>>> frank . count zero
>>>
>>> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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>
>
> -- 
> peace,
>
> frank . count zero
>
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what sounds like a lot of bullshit?  My story?  not at  all................ i 
speak only truths..........



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Why does it have to be private? are you going to meet in the last stall in the girls bathroom between 2nd and 3rd period to work this out? I never got that whole thing of "keepin it private" -- unless the event is in your mom and dad's house while they are on vacation...or maybe an outlaw.. but so what, big deal, lets make the "cool" parties a big secret so nobody goes... huh? Sounds elitist and mildly stupid 

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From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: "count zero" <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>
Cc: Distort909@aol.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:13 PM

See, this is what he was talking about, Frank.  You don't know about  
any of these events, and there's a reason for that.  I think the "ask 

me privately" is so he can tell you why you don't know.

Just trying to be helpful
*PLUR*

-Josh
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:07 PM, count zero wrote:

> I live in queens and I don't get a chance to see all the flyers for
> underground parties in brooklyn.  All I hear about is the bunker and
> some danger events.  Can you email me privately or comment on my blog
> to clue me in?
>
> -frank . count zero
>
> http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM,  <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> if you do not know about them then there is a reason for
>> that.................If you are involved in the scene & the music 

>> you  would know about the
>> vibrant life it has in NYC............
>>
>> If you want to know about something ask privately  
>> then..............  there
>> are a lot of people on these lists that i personally would never  
>> want at  one
>> of these parties cause they helped to kill the old  
>> one.............. The new
>> scene doesn't need the BTS kids & the dust muffins at their   
>> parties.........
>> ...... i believe if one is determined enough he will find what  he  
>> seeks........
>>
>>
>> I lived threw a vibrant scene in NYC being killed & diluted to
crap  
>> by  these
>> people & it took a long time for a new one to emerge.... If
keeping  
>> my  mouth
>> shut about it is a way to protect it then so be  it.............
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in
your  
>> budget?
>> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
>>
(http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 
>>  )
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> peace,
>
> frank . count zero
>
> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>
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You speak truths that fit your agenda of the moment -- that not truth

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what sounds like a lot of bullshit?  My story?  not at  all................ i 
speak only truths..........



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Dust is what MAKES the party -- cmon -- the problem was that half the parties sucked dick to begin with and people want someone to blame -- Oh... it was those BTS kids... I mean, sure, maybe they intimidate people, maybe somone gets robbed once in a while -- here and there a fight could break out ... but so fucking what? It's a rave. When you take away all the "bad" kids .. all you get is a bunch of morons sucking on lollypops and sitting around with thier care-bears ... at least the "bad" kids kept those kids in check... 'cause you didn't want to look like some kind of panzy lolly pop sucking boy because you knew you'd be the first one picked on or targetted.. so at least a certain image and style was maintain, and that's why it was a real culture. No you don't have the kids that intimidate and all that's left is a bunch of panzy misfits who deserve to get beat up and robbed -- unfortunately there's nobody to do it ... 

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sure.................   its a shame that i fear promoting on here  cause im 
sure there are a lot of good people that i could meet but the few bad  eggs 
that i want to avoid has me so jadded...............i really do feel bad  that
my 
comments have offended some.............
 
when i used to do events & these kids came out it would always be a 
problem 
& would cause me great deals of stress because i knew when there  around so

are the bad energy & vibes...........
 
between the robbing & the dust smoking i just stop letting them in to  
parties. my biggest fear is that they start infiltrating other scenes that know
 
nothing of what they are about & destroy it. 
 
 
anyway that's my rant :)
 
 
 



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YOU REALLY DONT GET IT!  
 god why are you so dense? I am the way i am because of the BTS kids  & the 
dust Muffins THEY DISGUST ME & i do not like to be around them. i  am not 
talking about your regular party kids............ i am talking about the  kids who 
go out only to get fucked up push the smell of dust on people who dont  want 
to smell it & rob people at parties cause its an easy buck. 
 
I went to the stuck on earth party at studio B for July 4th & this  element 
was in full effect & i hated it & felt really depressed because  of 
it............ 3 people OD'd that night & the smell of dust was  everywhere. 
 
I DO NOT GO OUT TO PARTY TO BE SURROUNDED BY ALL THIS BULLSHIT!
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you really are a tool.............. 



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yeah so what if people get robed & a fight breaks out......... yeah  that's 
what i want when i go out...........
 
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So, are you going for the music? Or to sociallize and experience scents? I =
always went for music and to dance -- you can't get robbed dancing, trust m=
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YOU REALLY DONT GET IT!=A0=A0
=A0god why are you so dense? I am the way i am because of the BTS kids & th=
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I am not just any tool though -- I am a well oil machine -- a marvel of industry. 

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you really are a tool.............. 





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You go to the parties where these people go & you deal wit it I chose  not 
deal with it so i will go to the parties that these people do not go  
to............................  the smell makes me sick & the behavior  of the people on 
it make me sick as well i want nothing to do with it. 



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It's the lesser of two evils -- I would rather have fights break out every once in a while then be surrounded by people dressed up like cartoon characters... bringing that corny ass wibe from the midwest to new york city -- that's what killed it. Who wants to see some kid in gopher suit on, sucking on a lollypop. If want to see that I'll go to the fucking circus

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yeah so what if people get robed & a fight breaks out......... yeah 
that's 
what i want when i go out...........
 
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lol well then stop going to bullshit candy raves & check out a dif  scene
 
the parties i go to none of these elements are their. 



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I don't even go to parties anymore -- because they fucking suck - I would r=
ather smoke dust in my house and play my own music. Not that I do that, but=
 I think it would be=A0 a lot more fun

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You go to the parties where these people go & you deal wit it I chose  not=
=20
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to............................  the smell makes me sick & the behavior  of
the people on=20
it make me sick as well i want nothing to do with it.=20



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if you dont go out anymore why even complain about parties not being  
promoted then?  Oh wait you just like to cause drama i forgot. 



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Actually, it's not drama -- Its just fun -- when two people take something =
seriously and have oposing views then it's drama -- when two people have op=
osing views but only one person takes it seriously (that person NOT being m=
e) -- then it becomes a sort of entertainment at the expense of the one who=
 is perhaps taking something TOO seriously. I go out to a lot of Hip-Hop sh=
ows now... much toughter crowd then a rave most of the time -- amazingly en=
ough nobody get stabbed, shot and there are no fights -- and also no people=
 dressed like Manga characters or preaching the advents of being some kind =
of Neo-Hippie.. so it all balacnes out. All you people do is wine and compl=
ain but at the end of the day the parties you throw suck, half the DJs suck=
, the themes suck and that's just the bottom line --- JUST ADMIT THAT YOU=
=A0LIKE TO SUCK DICK and then it will=A0taste good. Right now, you are just=
 complaining .. like, oH man, this cock is in my mouth, what do I do? At
 the end of the day you have to suck the cock because that's why it's there=
=A0

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if you dont go out anymore why even complain about parties not being =20
promoted then?  Oh wait you just like to cause drama i forgot.=20



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YOUR STILL NOT GETTING IT...............



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this is why i refuse to promote on this list anymore cause who would want a  
person like you at a party...... if anyone is interested in doing something 
else  they have my email & get to me outside of this list..........
 
maybe if you were not on this list i wouldn't be such a  DICK!



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If that's the best response you can have this discussion is over
=A0
It's not even fun making you feel stupid anyomere, too easy
In 10 years of read you yap, I've maybe come accross 2 pieces of useful inf=
ormation -- and it looks like tody will not be the day the tally goes up to=
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YOUR STILL NOT GETTING IT...............





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you make absolutely no sense. but please if it makes you feel like you have  
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I think everyone would want me at their party
=A0
I love the music,=A0 I know the music, I dance, I don't bother anybody, I p=
ay for my drinks, I usually come with a couple of people if I do show up=A0=
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serious hangup you need to address

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this is why i refuse to promote on this list anymore cause who would want a=
 person like you at a party...... if anyone is interested in doing somethin=
g else they have my email & get to me outside of this list..........
=A0
maybe if you were not on this list i wouldn't be such a DICK!





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maybe if you didn't like stuff like i do not minds fights at parties &  
people getting robbed i would have a different opinion of  you...................   
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I don't like thos people --- but I actally don't like the candy ravers and =
neo-hippies more -- the candy raves are just idiots who are trying to play =
a video game in real life, neo-hippies are kind of annoying with all their =
live off the land shit (some of them are cool but some take that shit way t=
oo far) .. so to me, I would much=A0 rather be around regular NYC party kid=
s (a dying breed) and some thugs. Because the thugs, while I don't like the=
m, they keep the idiots away, the protect us... the keep all the costumed f=
reaks and people riding unicycles away -- and I don't like the whole circus=
 carnival style -- that's not me, it's not cool to me. If I want to go to a=
 carnival I'll check out the circuis. I want a big room with hardwood floor=
s, minimal lighting and hardcore techno music being played by a "REAL" good=
=A0DJ=A0and people dancing and doing drugs here and there... that's my inte=
rest -- and that just doesn't exist anymore, so that's why, by choice I
 don't go out. If Goldie comes to play in NYC, next time he comes I'll be o=
ut for that... so if you want to see me, just wait for Goldie

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To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, deejaycountzero@gmail.com, weberlajes@gmail.com
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Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 1:26 PM

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Can you two have the courtesy to take your petty arguments off-list? If
you're going to make them on-list, make them short and sweet. Otherwise
you're cluttering inboxes with mindless banter that no one wants to read.

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't like thos people --- but I actally don't like the candy ravers and
> neo-hippies more -- the candy raves are just idiots who are trying to play a
> video game in real life, neo-hippies are kind of annoying with all their
> live off the land shit (some of them are cool but some take that shit way
> too far) .. so to me, I would much  rather be around regular NYC party kids
> (a dying breed) and some thugs. Because the thugs, while I don't like them,
> they keep the idiots away, the protect us... the keep all the costumed
> freaks and people riding unicycles away -- and I don't like the whole circus
> carnival style -- that's not me, it's not cool to me. If I want to go to a
> carnival I'll check out the circuis. I want a big room with hardwood floors,
> minimal lighting and hardcore techno music being played by a "REAL"
> good DJ and people dancing and doing drugs here and there... that's my
> interest -- and that just doesn't exist anymore, so that's why, by choice I
>  don't go out. If Goldie comes to play in NYC, next time he comes I'll be
> out for that... so if you want to see me, just wait for Goldie
>
> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, deejaycountzero@gmail.com, weberlajes@gmail.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 1:26 PM
>
> maybe if you didn't like stuff like i do not minds fights at parties &
> people getting robbed i would have a different opinion of
> you...................
> but since you dont mind being around people i  do mind being around then
> that
> makes you someone i dont want to be  around................
>
>
>
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A kid on dust tried to get into a warehouse party down here and  
attracted the cops. He didn't set one foot in the actual party, he  
was booted out for acting crazy in the lobby area...but the cops were  
called after he made a ton of noise.

As far as I know, dust is the only drug that will do that to someone.  
Give me one reason why I shouldn't worry about PCP heads fucking up a  
scene...

On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Alex Shtaerman wrote:

> Dust is what MAKES the party -- cmon -- the problem was that half  
> the parties sucked dick to begin with and people want someone to  
> blame -- Oh... it was those BTS kids... I mean, sure, maybe they  
> intimidate people, maybe somone gets robbed once in a while -- here  
> and there a fight could break out ... but so fucking what? It's a  
> rave. When you take away all the "bad" kids .. all you get is a  
> bunch of morons sucking on lollypops and sitting around with thier  
> care-bears ... at least the "bad" kids kept those kids in check...  
> 'cause you didn't want to look like some kind of panzy lolly pop  
> sucking boy because you knew you'd be the first one picked on or  
> targetted.. so at least a certain image and style was maintain, and  
> that's why it was a real culture. No you don't have the kids that  
> intimidate and all that's left is a bunch of panzy misfits who  
> deserve to get beat up and robbed -- unfortunately there's nobody  
> to do it ...
>
> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: deejaycountzero@gmail.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:42 PM
>
> sure.................   its a shame that i fear promoting on here   
> cause im
> sure there are a lot of good people that i could meet but the few  
> bad  eggs
> that i want to avoid has me so jadded...............i really do  
> feel bad  that
> my
> comments have offended some.............
>
> when i used to do events & these kids came out it would always be a
> problem
> & would cause me great deals of stress because i knew when there   
> around so
>
> are the bad energy & vibes...........
>
> between the robbing & the dust smoking i just stop letting them in to
> parties. my biggest fear is that they start infiltrating other  
> scenes that know
>
> nothing of what they are about & destroy it.
>
>
> anyway that's my rant :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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When I said Dust makes the party -- I meant that really in regard to all dr=
ugs -- but also I meant moderate drug use that's under control -- it's like=
 you are singling out Dust as some kind of evil... to me, I would rather se=
e 100 people smoking dust then someone sitting on the floor shooting dope w=
ith a needle -- to me, personally, that makes me sick -- so I'm not saying =
you shouldn't worry about out of control drug addicts ruining a party -- bu=
t the reality is, underground music, all night parties and drugs are connec=
ted. There is always going to be some idiot who goes too far... is Dust the=
 problem? NO, it's the moron who doesn't know when to say when. What if you=
 had a guy who drank 3 40's of Old E and came in and started to take a piss=
 as he was walking into the party? Would you ban drinking?=A0
=A0
When you start acting like a parent and banning and excluding certain kinds=
 of people that's when a rave or a party is no longer the all-inclusive thi=
ng it was originally meant to be. And that's when it becomes wack. Because =
so and so is not cool enough to come in or so and so is too=A0fucked up to =
come in... and eventually that leads to --=A0these girls aren't hot enough =
to be in this club. Or these guys aren't dressed nice enough. So, in the en=
d you are just heading down that road. To me, if I=A0went to a rave back wh=
en ... there would be people there that would beat my ass if they saw me in=
 the street or there would be girls there that wouldn't give me the time of=
 day in a bar. But the whole=A0point was when I was there I would talk to t=
hose same people that would rob=A0me anywhere else, and you could talk to t=
hose same girls that wouldn't talk to you anywhere else --- it was about th=
e fact EVERYONE was in that place at that time -- and once you stepped
 through the door, you left all your baggage outside. But now, it's like --=
=A0this one=A0shouldn't be here because of this or that one shouldn't be he=
re because of something else or whatever ... all these=A0divisions exist an=
d that's why it's fucking wack. You got everyone forming their own little c=
lick and groups and most of the groups are rust collections of fucking reta=
rds that no normal person would=A0want to be around... It's like when you p=
ut=A0everyone together something good can happen but when you start to segm=
ent people out you kind of realize there is no ONE segment you really want =
to have anything to do with and that's when cool people fade out of the sce=
ne and all you have left are segments of fucking retards. =A0=A0

--- On Sun, 8/3/08, Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
Cc: deejaycountzero@gmail.com, Distort909@aol.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 10:21 PM

A kid on dust tried to get into a warehouse party down here and =20
attracted the cops. He didn't set one foot in the actual party, he =20
was booted out for acting crazy in the lobby area...but the cops were =20
called after he made a ton of noise.

As far as I know, dust is the only drug that will do that to someone. =20
Give me one reason why I shouldn't worry about PCP heads fucking up a =20
scene...

On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Alex Shtaerman wrote:

> Dust is what MAKES the party -- cmon -- the problem was that half =20
> the parties sucked dick to begin with and people want someone to =20
> blame -- Oh... it was those BTS kids... I mean, sure, maybe they =20
> intimidate people, maybe somone gets robbed once in a while -- here =20
> and there a fight could break out ... but so fucking what? It's a =20
> rave. When you take away all the "bad" kids .. all you get is a=20

> bunch of morons sucking on lollypops and sitting around with thier =20
> care-bears ... at least the "bad" kids kept those kids in
check... =20
> 'cause you didn't want to look like some kind of panzy lolly pop =20
> sucking boy because you knew you'd be the first one picked on or =20
> targetted.. so at least a certain image and style was maintain, and =20
> that's why it was a real culture. No you don't have the kids that=20

> intimidate and all that's left is a bunch of panzy misfits who =20
> deserve to get beat up and robbed -- unfortunately there's nobody =20
> to do it ...
>
> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: deejaycountzero@gmail.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:42 PM
>
> sure.................   its a shame that i fear promoting on here  =20
> cause im
> sure there are a lot of good people that i could meet but the few =20
> bad  eggs
> that i want to avoid has me so jadded...............i really do =20
> feel bad  that
> my
> comments have offended some.............
>
> when i used to do events & these kids came out it would always be a
> problem
> & would cause me great deals of stress because i knew when there  =20
> around so
>
> are the bad energy & vibes...........
>
> between the robbing & the dust smoking i just stop letting them in to
> parties. my biggest fear is that they start infiltrating other =20
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>
> nothing of what they are about & destroy it.
>
>
> anyway that's my rant :)
>
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hi all !! Its been a while !! Haven't been on in 6 years or more !

Anywayz, I totally agree with maria !   If you think Dust makes the party -
that also mean shutting down the party much earlier and people getting
arrested and hence..  a ruined party = waste of time , waste of money.

If you think Dust is "cool", please do it in the comfort of your home. Let
the party kids dance and have fun till daylight.. After all...
* rave = music + dancing
* your home = music + illegal substance

Thank you :)



On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>wrote:

> When I said Dust makes the party -- I meant that really in regard to all
> drugs -- but also I meant moderate drug use that's under control -- it's
> like you are singling out Dust as some kind of evil... to me, I would rather
> see 100 people smoking dust then someone sitting on the floor shooting dope
> with a needle -- to me, personally, that makes me sick -- so I'm not saying
> you shouldn't worry about out of control drug addicts ruining a party -- but
> the reality is, underground music, all night parties and drugs are
> connected. There is always going to be some idiot who goes too far... is
> Dust the problem? NO, it's the moron who doesn't know when to say when. What
> if you had a guy who drank 3 40's of Old E and came in and started to take a
> piss as he was walking into the party? Would you ban drinking?
>
> When you start acting like a parent and banning and excluding certain kinds
> of people that's when a rave or a party is no longer the all-inclusive thing
> it was originally meant to be. And that's when it becomes wack. Because so
> and so is not cool enough to come in or so and so is too fucked up to come
> in... and eventually that leads to -- these girls aren't hot enough to be in
> this club. Or these guys aren't dressed nice enough. So, in the end you are
> just heading down that road. To me, if I went to a rave back when ... there
> would be people there that would beat my ass if they saw me in the street or
> there would be girls there that wouldn't give me the time of day in a bar.
> But the whole point was when I was there I would talk to those same people
> that would rob me anywhere else, and you could talk to those same girls that
> wouldn't talk to you anywhere else --- it was about the fact EVERYONE was in
> that place at that time -- and once you stepped
>  through the door, you left all your baggage outside. But now, it's like
> -- this one shouldn't be here because of this or that one shouldn't be here
> because of something else or whatever ... all these divisions exist and
> that's why it's fucking wack. You got everyone forming their own little
> click and groups and most of the groups are rust collections of fucking
> retards that no normal person would want to be around... It's like when you
> put everyone together something good can happen but when you start to
> segment people out you kind of realize there is no ONE segment you really
> want to have anything to do with and that's when cool people fade out of the
> scene and all you have left are segments of fucking retards.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
> Cc: deejaycountzero@gmail.com, Distort909@aol.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 10:21 PM
>
> A kid on dust tried to get into a warehouse party down here and
> attracted the cops. He didn't set one foot in the actual party, he
> was booted out for acting crazy in the lobby area...but the cops were
> called after he made a ton of noise.
>
> As far as I know, dust is the only drug that will do that to someone.
> Give me one reason why I shouldn't worry about PCP heads fucking up a
> scene...
>
> On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Alex Shtaerman wrote:
>
> > Dust is what MAKES the party -- cmon -- the problem was that half
> > the parties sucked dick to begin with and people want someone to
> > blame -- Oh... it was those BTS kids... I mean, sure, maybe they
> > intimidate people, maybe somone gets robbed once in a while -- here
> > and there a fight could break out ... but so fucking what? It's a
> > rave. When you take away all the "bad" kids .. all you get is a
>
> > bunch of morons sucking on lollypops and sitting around with thier
> > care-bears ... at least the "bad" kids kept those kids in
> check...
> > 'cause you didn't want to look like some kind of panzy lolly pop
> > sucking boy because you knew you'd be the first one picked on or
> > targetted.. so at least a certain image and style was maintain, and
> > that's why it was a real culture. No you don't have the kids that
>
> > intimidate and all that's left is a bunch of panzy misfits who
> > deserve to get beat up and robbed -- unfortunately there's nobody
> > to do it ...
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> > To: deejaycountzero@gmail.com
> > Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:42 PM
> >
> > sure.................   its a shame that i fear promoting on here
> > cause im
> > sure there are a lot of good people that i could meet but the few
> > bad  eggs
> > that i want to avoid has me so jadded...............i really do
> > feel bad  that
> > my
> > comments have offended some.............
> >
> > when i used to do events & these kids came out it would always be a
> > problem
> > & would cause me great deals of stress because i knew when there
> > around so
> >
> > are the bad energy & vibes...........
> >
> > between the robbing & the dust smoking i just stop letting them in to
> > parties. my biggest fear is that they start infiltrating other
> > scenes that know
> >
> > nothing of what they are about & destroy it.
> >
> >
> > anyway that's my rant :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > )
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So, lack of DUST makes the party?
=A0
A=A0good party with dust is 100 better than a wack ass party with no dust -=
- seems simple enough -- And what about Extasy -- DIDN'T E make ALL the par=
ties back in the day? I know it did for me -- and if it didn't for you, you=
 either weren't around or you are just fooling yourself. This isn't about D=
UST.. it's about the argument that DUST is ruining parties -- and what I am=
 saying is that a fucking lame ass party with=A0wack ass=A0DJs that play sh=
it ass music is not going to be a good party because you don't have DUST=A0=
there. It's like riding around in a beat up piece of shit car and leaning o=
ver to your friend and saying -- Yo, Bro, if=A0only I had power windows, th=
is would be a dope ride. NO,=A0it would not be a dope ride. Because it's a =
fucking piece of shit.=A0If you got a Benz then it would be dope. Not if=A0=
you got a power windows in a fucking piece of shit 1982 buick.=A0I really d=
on't know how else to explain it. You people throw fucking wack ass events
 and then you want to say -- OH, IT"S DUST. NO, it's not fucking DUST... it=
's because YOU'RE FUCKING WACK and your music sucks dick, you can't play re=
cords and you are a fucking lowlife. When you correct all those problems, I=
 doubt dust will be an issue. I'm not wasting any more time explaining this=
. =A0=A0=A0

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, little duck <imjustawittleduck@gmail.com> wrote:

From: little duck <imjustawittleduck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: Distort909@aol.com
Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 1:09 AM

hi all !! Its been a while !! Haven't been on in 6 years or more !

Anywayz, I totally agree with maria !   If you think Dust makes the party -
that also mean shutting down the party much earlier and people getting
arrested and hence..  a ruined party =3D waste of time , waste of money.

If you think Dust is "cool", please do it in the comfort of your
home. Let
the party kids dance and have fun till daylight.. After all...
* rave =3D music + dancing
* your home =3D music + illegal substance

Thank you :)



On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Alex Shtaerman
<ashtaerman@yahoo.com>wrote:

> When I said Dust makes the party -- I meant that really in regard to all
> drugs -- but also I meant moderate drug use that's under control --
it's
> like you are singling out Dust as some kind of evil... to me, I would
rather
> see 100 people smoking dust then someone sitting on the floor shooting
dope
> with a needle -- to me, personally, that makes me sick -- so I'm not
saying
> you shouldn't worry about out of control drug addicts ruining a party
-- but
> the reality is, underground music, all night parties and drugs are
> connected. There is always going to be some idiot who goes too far... is
> Dust the problem? NO, it's the moron who doesn't know when to say
when. What
> if you had a guy who drank 3 40's of Old E and came in and started to
take a
> piss as he was walking into the party? Would you ban drinking?
>
> When you start acting like a parent and banning and excluding certain
kinds
> of people that's when a rave or a party is no longer the all-inclusive
thing
> it was originally meant to be. And that's when it becomes wack.
Because so
> and so is not cool enough to come in or so and so is too fucked up to com=
e
> in... and eventually that leads to -- these girls aren't hot enough to
be in
> this club. Or these guys aren't dressed nice enough. So, in the end
you are
> just heading down that road. To me, if I went to a rave back when ...
there
> would be people there that would beat my ass if they saw me in the street
or
> there would be girls there that wouldn't give me the time of day in a
bar.
> But the whole point was when I was there I would talk to those same peopl=
e
> that would rob me anywhere else, and you could talk to those same girls
that
> wouldn't talk to you anywhere else --- it was about the fact EVERYONE
was in
> that place at that time -- and once you stepped
>  through the door, you left all your baggage outside. But now, it's
like
> -- this one shouldn't be here because of this or that one
shouldn't be here
> because of something else or whatever ... all these divisions exist and
> that's why it's fucking wack. You got everyone forming their own
little
> click and groups and most of the groups are rust collections of fucking
> retards that no normal person would want to be around... It's like
when you
> put everyone together something good can happen but when you start to
> segment people out you kind of realize there is no ONE segment you really
> want to have anything to do with and that's when cool people fade out
of the
> scene and all you have left are segments of fucking retards.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
> Cc: deejaycountzero@gmail.com, Distort909@aol.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 10:21 PM
>
> A kid on dust tried to get into a warehouse party down here and
> attracted the cops. He didn't set one foot in the actual party, he
> was booted out for acting crazy in the lobby area...but the cops were
> called after he made a ton of noise.
>
> As far as I know, dust is the only drug that will do that to someone.
> Give me one reason why I shouldn't worry about PCP heads fucking up a
> scene...
>
> On Aug 3, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Alex Shtaerman wrote:
>
> > Dust is what MAKES the party -- cmon -- the problem was that half
> > the parties sucked dick to begin with and people want someone to
> > blame -- Oh... it was those BTS kids... I mean, sure, maybe they
> > intimidate people, maybe somone gets robbed once in a while -- here
> > and there a fight could break out ... but so fucking what? It's a
> > rave. When you take away all the "bad" kids .. all you get
is a
>
> > bunch of morons sucking on lollypops and sitting around with thier
> > care-bears ... at least the "bad" kids kept those kids in
> check...
> > 'cause you didn't want to look like some kind of panzy lolly
pop
> > sucking boy because you knew you'd be the first one picked on or
> > targetted.. so at least a certain image and style was maintain, and
> > that's why it was a real culture. No you don't have the kids
that
>
> > intimidate and all that's left is a bunch of panzy misfits who
> > deserve to get beat up and robbed -- unfortunately there's nobody
> > to do it ...
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
wrote:
> >
> > From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> > To: deejaycountzero@gmail.com
> > Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> > Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 12:42 PM
> >
> > sure.................   its a shame that i fear promoting on here
> > cause im
> > sure there are a lot of good people that i could meet but the few
> > bad  eggs
> > that i want to avoid has me so jadded...............i really do
> > feel bad  that
> > my
> > comments have offended some.............
> >
> > when i used to do events & these kids came out it would always be
a
> > problem
> > & would cause me great deals of stress because i knew when there
> > around so
> >
> > are the bad energy & vibes...........
> >
> > between the robbing & the dust smoking i just stop letting them
in to
> > parties. my biggest fear is that they start infiltrating other
> > scenes that know
> >
> > nothing of what they are about & destroy it.
> >
> >
> > anyway that's my rant :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in
your
> > budget?
> >
> > Read reviews on AOL Autos.
> > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?
> > ncid=3Daolaut00050000000017
> > )
> >
> >
> >
>
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You are a tool & nothing you say will justify  your  views.................. 
You enjoy being in the company of degenerate drug  addicts while the majority 
of us do not........... why dont you just go away so  maybe this list can 
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What are you talking about? I told you, I don't even go out barely ever to =
parties... WHEN AM I IN THE COMPANY OF DEGENERATE DRUG ADDICTS? Please tell=
 me? Where was the last time you saw me? I know you know exactly who I am, =
so think of the last time you saw me and tell me when that was.=A0I gaurant=
ee you that you are around drug addicts much more often than I am. I don't =
care what the=A0majority of people=A0and especially=A0you do -- because I d=
on't hang out with you. I don't hang out with drug addicts so=A0it baffles =
me how I can be in their company so=A0often. I am just telling you my view =
on it. Why are drug addicts ruining the scene now but they weren't in 96 or=
 97 or 91 or 93 or 2000? Explain to me why all of a sudden NOW they are rui=
ning it?=A0Or where they ruining it all along=A0and you just first realized=
 it yesturday.. or what it is?=A0
=A0
If I went away this list would be active again? This is the first time I po=
sted in=A0well over a year -- so you are saying that by people somehow know=
ing that I am still on the list I am preventing some kind of renisance of p=
roactive and positve thought going forward? YEA, OK. Did you know that with=
 propery values plummeting you can actually buy plots on Mars at a very aff=
ordable rate. I have been working with a real estate firm called Solar Syst=
em Property Alliance -- I can sell you a 25 acre plot on Mars for about 14k=
 -- just think, you can throw a party there one day! And the best thing is,=
 the thin atmosphere of Mars makes it imposible to light a dipped cigarrett=
e... it just goes right out!... 14k.. think about. Hit me in private, we ca=
n negotiate

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:

From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, imjustawittleduck@gmail.com
Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 2:04 AM



You are a tool & nothing you say will justify=A0 your views................=
.. You enjoy being in the company of degenerate drug addicts while the majo=
rity of us do not........... why dont you just go away so maybe this list c=
an become active again with mature conversation between mature adults?=A0=
=20





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Gentlemen,

I've been watching this back and forth for quite some time, I'm not going to justify or back one side or the other, but I think at this particular point we can agree to disagree and leave it at that. The arguing back and forth isn't convincing one side or the other and though we all love a good debate, the "debate" ceased a long time ago and its just degenerating into a capslock war and name calling. So I'm asking if you two could please take this disagreement to private messages or a vicious game or rock, paper, scissors and let it be done.

Just Another Party Go-er,
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Did this thread really start out with GO TO SCRANTON?

I just moved back here (scranton) from the DC / Baltimore area to start a
family.  Am I missing something?  I will admit that in the late nineties
there were fantastic clubs here (amnesia anyone?)  but have not noticed too
much going on as of late.  At least comparatively.  San fran was cool, but
for raving, decent living, and political hotness you gotta have washington.
Try the DCRAVES mailing list on the hyperreal server for a sample.




On 8/4/08, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What are you talking about? I told you, I don't even go out barely ever to
> parties... WHEN AM I IN THE COMPANY OF DEGENERATE DRUG ADDICTS? Please tell
> me? Where was the last time you saw me? I know you know exactly who I am, so
> think of the last time you saw me and tell me when that was. I gaurantee you
> that you are around drug addicts much more often than I am. I don't care
> what the majority of people and especially you do -- because I don't hang
> out with you. I don't hang out with drug addicts so it baffles me how I can
> be in their company so often. I am just telling you my view on it. Why are
> drug addicts ruining the scene now but they weren't in 96 or 97 or 91 or 93
> or 2000? Explain to me why all of a sudden NOW they are ruining it? Or where
> they ruining it all along and you just first realized it yesturday.. or what
> it is?
>
> If I went away this list would be active again? This is the first time I
> posted in well over a year -- so you are saying that by people somehow
> knowing that I am still on the list I am preventing some kind of renisance
> of proactive and positve thought going forward? YEA, OK. Did you know that
> with propery values plummeting you can actually buy plots on Mars at a very
> affordable rate. I have been working with a real estate firm called Solar
> System Property Alliance -- I can sell you a 25 acre plot on Mars for about
> 14k -- just think, you can throw a party there one day! And the best thing
> is, the thin atmosphere of Mars makes it imposible to light a dipped
> cigarrette... it just goes right out!... 14k.. think about. Hit me in
> private, we can negotiate
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, imjustawittleduck@gmail.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 2:04 AM
>
>
>
> You are a tool & nothing you say will justify  your views..................
> You enjoy being in the company of degenerate drug addicts while the majority
> of us do not........... why dont you just go away so maybe this list can
> become active again with mature conversation between mature adults?
>
>
>
>
>
> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews
> on AOL Autos.
>
>
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I haven't been to SCRANTON PA but I've been to Wilkes Barre ( 15 minutes
south of Scranton) - Wilkes Barre got potential cuz theres alot of mountains
/ hills / valley / wooded are. I kinda miss that place actually !  but the
last time I was there was over 10 years ago .. daym time flies !

I actually miss going to raves ; haven't gone to any (or any club or bar)
since 2004. My last activity was the Siren Music Festival this past july in
COney Island.

Anywayz, good to see that this list is still active :)    Doesn't matter if
there are difference in opinions - we're still a family, right :)



On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:01 AM, James Sheridan <jamesjsheridan@gmail.com>wrote:

> Did this thread really start out with GO TO SCRANTON?
>
> I just moved back here (scranton) from the DC / Baltimore area to start a
> family.  Am I missing something?  I will admit that in the late nineties
> there were fantastic clubs here (amnesia anyone?)  but have not noticed too
> much going on as of late.  At least comparatively.  San fran was cool, but
> for raving, decent living, and political hotness you gotta have washington.
> Try the DCRAVES mailing list on the hyperreal server for a sample.
>
>
>
>
> On 8/4/08, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> What are you talking about? I told you, I don't even go out barely ever to
>> parties... WHEN AM I IN THE COMPANY OF DEGENERATE DRUG ADDICTS? Please tell
>> me? Where was the last time you saw me? I know you know exactly who I am, so
>> think of the last time you saw me and tell me when that was. I gaurantee you
>> that you are around drug addicts much more often than I am. I don't care
>> what the majority of people and especially you do -- because I don't hang
>> out with you. I don't hang out with drug addicts so it baffles me how I can
>> be in their company so often. I am just telling you my view on it. Why are
>> drug addicts ruining the scene now but they weren't in 96 or 97 or 91 or 93
>> or 2000? Explain to me why all of a sudden NOW they are ruining it? Or where
>> they ruining it all along and you just first realized it yesturday.. or what
>> it is?
>>
>> If I went away this list would be active again? This is the first time I
>> posted in well over a year -- so you are saying that by people somehow
>> knowing that I am still on the list I am preventing some kind of renisance
>> of proactive and positve thought going forward? YEA, OK. Did you know that
>> with propery values plummeting you can actually buy plots on Mars at a very
>> affordable rate. I have been working with a real estate firm called Solar
>> System Property Alliance -- I can sell you a 25 acre plot on Mars for about
>> 14k -- just think, you can throw a party there one day! And the best thing
>> is, the thin atmosphere of Mars makes it imposible to light a dipped
>> cigarrette... it just goes right out!... 14k.. think about. Hit me in
>> private, we can negotiate
>>
>> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, imjustawittleduck@gmail.com
>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 2:04 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> You are a tool & nothing you say will justify  your
>> views.................. You enjoy being in the company of degenerate drug
>> addicts while the majority of us do not........... why dont you just go away
>> so maybe this list can become active again with mature conversation between
>> mature adults?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews
>> on AOL Autos.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Wilkes-Barre had a very good scene 10 years ago.  Small, but quality. There
is an overnight private club type thing in the Providence section of north
scranton, but it's moslty top 40 hip hop. (main ave. -- at the old castle
restaurant)

What is a good party for october in NY?  MY wife will be done having babies
in september and has never been to ny (except my family's house on breezy
point) and I want to take her to a good night out in manhattan.  I know
there is that goth club in the old church, whatever name it is now, but what
else is there for a good dance?


On 8/4/08, little duck <imjustawittleduck@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't been to SCRANTON PA but I've been to Wilkes Barre ( 15 minutes
> south of Scranton) - Wilkes Barre got potential cuz theres alot of mountains
> / hills / valley / wooded are. I kinda miss that place actually !  but the
> last time I was there was over 10 years ago .. daym time flies !
>
> I actually miss going to raves ; haven't gone to any (or any club or bar)
> since 2004. My last activity was the Siren Music Festival this past july in
> COney Island.
>
> Anywayz, good to see that this list is still active :)    Doesn't matter if
> there are difference in opinions - we're still a family, right :)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:01 AM, James Sheridan <jamesjsheridan@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Did this thread really start out with GO TO SCRANTON?
>>
>> I just moved back here (scranton) from the DC / Baltimore area to start a
>> family.  Am I missing something?  I will admit that in the late nineties
>> there were fantastic clubs here (amnesia anyone?)  but have not noticed too
>> much going on as of late.  At least comparatively.  San fran was cool, but
>> for raving, decent living, and political hotness you gotta have washington.
>> Try the DCRAVES mailing list on the hyperreal server for a sample.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/08, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What are you talking about? I told you, I don't even go out barely ever
>>> to parties... WHEN AM I IN THE COMPANY OF DEGENERATE DRUG ADDICTS? Please
>>> tell me? Where was the last time you saw me? I know you know exactly who I
>>> am, so think of the last time you saw me and tell me when that was. I
>>> gaurantee you that you are around drug addicts much more often than I am. I
>>> don't care what the majority of people and especially you do -- because I
>>> don't hang out with you. I don't hang out with drug addicts so it baffles me
>>> how I can be in their company so often. I am just telling you my view on it.
>>> Why are drug addicts ruining the scene now but they weren't in 96 or 97 or
>>> 91 or 93 or 2000? Explain to me why all of a sudden NOW they are ruining it?
>>> Or where they ruining it all along and you just first realized it
>>> yesturday.. or what it is?
>>>
>>> If I went away this list would be active again? This is the first time I
>>> posted in well over a year -- so you are saying that by people somehow
>>> knowing that I am still on the list I am preventing some kind of renisance
>>> of proactive and positve thought going forward? YEA, OK. Did you know that
>>> with propery values plummeting you can actually buy plots on Mars at a very
>>> affordable rate. I have been working with a real estate firm called Solar
>>> System Property Alliance -- I can sell you a 25 acre plot on Mars for about
>>> 14k -- just think, you can throw a party there one day! And the best thing
>>> is, the thin atmosphere of Mars makes it imposible to light a dipped
>>> cigarrette... it just goes right out!... 14k.. think about. Hit me in
>>> private, we can negotiate
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>>> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, imjustawittleduck@gmail.com
>>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 2:04 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are a tool & nothing you say will justify  your
>>> views.................. You enjoy being in the company of degenerate drug
>>> addicts while the majority of us do not........... why dont you just go away
>>> so maybe this list can become active again with mature conversation between
>>> mature adults?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
>>> reviews on AOL Autos.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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to be honest i did not read anything you wrote because i no longer care  what 
you have to say. Since you no longer go out please get off this list cause  
you bring nothing to the table..........
 
All this time i thought there was no one of interest on here & there is  i 
have met about 5 people because of all this........ ask this question to  
yourself thou..... why isn't anyone really responding to this on the list?   Because 
no one wants to deal with your bullshit!   I am over anything  you have to 
say & will no longer entertain you. 
 
later



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when you are ready to come let me know & ill tell you what your options  are. 
as far as limelight / avalon goes it is closed............ the goth scene  is 
not a big one anymore but its still out there



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You don't speak for the list.  And, honestly, it really is getting  
pretty fucking tiring with both of you going back and forth.  You're  
both kind of retarded.  You still use aol.  So you lose right off the  
bat.  And trying to stretch the argument that dust is ok is just  
dumb.  So Alex loses, as well.

I don't go out much, should I get off this list?  I'd be willing to  
bet that the VAST majority of people who still subscribe to this list  
don't go out much, if at all.  Histrionics and extremist arguments  
really have no place here.  So get over it - both of you.

-Josh

On Aug 4, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Distort909@aol.com wrote:

> to be honest i did not read anything you wrote because i no longer  
> care  what
> you have to say. Since you no longer go out please get off this list  
> cause
> you bring nothing to the table..........
>
> All this time i thought there was no one of interest on here & there  
> is  i
> have met about 5 people because of all this........ ask this  
> question to
> yourself thou..... why isn't anyone really responding to this on the  
> list?   Because
> no one wants to deal with your bullshit!   I am over anything  you  
> have to
> say & will no longer entertain you.
>
> later
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your  
> budget?
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 
>  )


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because i chose to keep an email addy that i have had for over ten yrs that  
i dont pay for means i lose.........  ok then let me be the biggest loser  in 
the world......
 
 



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You lose because you moved this bullshit onto an entirely new thread and
then had the balls to CC the entire list of people who wanted this
discussion off it in the first place.

And as Josh pointed out, you additionally lose for the aol account. Simply
for the fact that if you've had that account for 10 years, which means at
some point you were paying AOL for it AND your someone else for your
internet service at the same time, which is asinine and idiotic.

Now do us all a huge favor and figure out how to remove
raves@hyperreal.org from
the CC field.

You are the weakest link, goodbye.

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:55 PM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:

> because i chose to keep an email addy that i have had for over ten yrs that
> i dont pay for means i lose.........  ok then let me be the biggest loser
>  in
> the world......
>
>
>
>
>
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so instead of  emailing me privately as you are suggesting  i  should do, you 
yourself are continuing this argument on the list so i would say  you sir are 
not practicing what you preach.
 
 
 
 



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"Daniel Adaszynski" <novaprospekts@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm changing places soon and want to move to a more musically active city.
> Raves, a progressive municipality (city gov.), and being politically hot
> are all important to me. Help narrow down a long list of places so I can
start planning solid.
> Please.
>
> Thanks.


i'm mostly only on this list 'cause i forgot to unsub after my nyc trip...
i'm a hyperreal volunteer from seattle. it's a lovely city with a vibrant
music scene and we're all a bunch of liberal/libertarian politically
active folk.

but i've been skimming some of the other list discussion... if you would
rather be around gangbangers than neo hippies, this def. wouldn't be the
city for you. or if you like 'dust' either... i actually hadn't even ever
heard of someone doing that at a party 'til this list. i feel so naive ;)
or if you're bemused by the idea of infolines/why you'd not post about an
event publicly... there's still quite a few renegade/outlaw/whatever you
call 'em events here where you have to travel ages to get to some party in
the middle of the woods/beach/etc.

http://dbfestival.com/news/preliminarylineup might be a good event to
visit for and get a feel for the city ;)

kim

http://www.to-evolve.com
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How is the area around Allentown? (scranton??) I'm from w NY near canada,
and I've heard up that there are some good psy trance parties down there.

 To go to a rave from here, I usually have to drive 2 hrs to get to Toronto
(closest major city to me) They have some really good events, also some
underground FREE parties, in some obscure city area, checkpoints to get to
the final location :P   however, toronto seems to have a lot of jungle/hhc,
and i'm looking for a new place to make a weekend trip to, with some new
tunes. just a different place. SO, if I'm going to a different city, it must
be worth my time and money to make the trip down there... (cannot afford
$200 festival tickets)

so, what can anyone tell me in terms of underground/unified parties in PA or
NYC area (pref some psy trance, as i'm a poor college kid and have never
been able to travel to a psy trance event and dance my ass off) ??

thanx <3



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Thank you, you have entertained me for long enough and I appreciate it - ho=
urs of laughting my ass off is far too long -- now I must get back to work
=A0
Nobody is responding to me because maybe they agree that I am right
=A0
This is not a fucking popularity contest, I am not trying to make friends o=
nline -- maybe that's why you talk so much shit that makes no sense, you ar=
e trying to pander to people who may potentially be your online penpals? I =
really don't know the answer to that and like I told you -- I do go out, bu=
t rarely -- I will be out next time Goldie plays in NYC ... hope to see you=
 there! Because unlike you I don't think anyone ruins or doesn't ruin a par=
ty besides the people who organize, promote and book the DJs

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, imjustawittleduck@gmail.com
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Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:06 PM



to be honest i did not read anything you wrote because i no longer care wha=
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e you bring nothing to the table..........
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rself thou..... why isn't anyone really responding to this on the list?=A0 =
Because no one wants to deal with your bullshit!=A0=A0 I am over anything y=
ou have to say & will no longer entertain you.=20
=A0
later





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Utah SWAT teams ruin parties.  So do natural disasters.  And  
occasionally killer bees.  Fear the bees!

-Josh


On Aug 4, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Alex Shtaerman wrote:

> Thank you, you have entertained me for long enough and I appreciate  
> it - hours of laughting my ass off is far too long -- now I must get  
> back to work
>
> Nobody is responding to me because maybe they agree that I am right
>
> This is not a fucking popularity contest, I am not trying to make  
> friends online -- maybe that's why you talk so much shit that makes  
> no sense, you are trying to pander to people who may potentially be  
> your online penpals? I really don't know the answer to that and like  
> I told you -- I do go out, but rarely -- I will be out next time  
> Goldie plays in NYC ... hope to see you there! Because unlike you I  
> don't think anyone ruins or doesn't ruin a party besides the people  
> who organize, promote and book the DJs
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, imjustawittleduck@gmail.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:06 PM
>
>
>
> to be honest i did not read anything you wrote because i no longer  
> care what you have to say. Since you no longer go out please get off  
> this list cause you bring nothing to the table..........
>
> All this time i thought there was no one of interest on here & there  
> is i have met about 5 people because of all this........ ask this  
> question to yourself thou..... why isn't anyone really responding to  
> this on the list?  Because no one wants to deal with your  
> bullshit!   I am over anything you have to say & will no longer  
> entertain you.
>
> later
>
>
>
>
>
> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read  
> reviews on AOL Autos.
>
>


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I have a dream that one day NERaves will have a thread, a great and mighty
thread, where the hardcore kids won't name call the candy kids.  Where the
old ravers won't chastise the new ravers and where people are civil and work
to further the scene instead of their egos...

-- 
KeNNy!
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BLASPHEMER!!!!

-Josh

On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:13 PM, The Work It Circuit wrote:

> I have a dream that one day NERaves will have a thread, a great and  
> mighty
> thread, where the hardcore kids won't name call the candy kids.   
> Where the
> old ravers won't chastise the new ravers and where people are civil  
> and work
> to further the scene instead of their egos...
>
> -- 
> KeNNy!
> AIM: Munkeybuttt
> Yahoo Mess: Jungleboogiemonster
> http://ghetto.hjsoft.com


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Amen Brother!
Can I get a handclap?
 
Rave means a lot of different things to lots of different people who all do  
come 
together for their love of this music - that we do share :D
 
just like one time in the mid-90's I ordered a "hardcore" tape from the UK, 
and what i got was Jungle..
see,?
ok, strange analogy
 
 
 
Linda
 
_www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http://www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com) 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/4/2008 2:13:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com writes:

I have a  dream that one day NERaves will have a thread, a great and mighty
thread,  where the hardcore kids won't name call the candy kids.  Where the
old  ravers won't chastise the new ravers and where people are civil and work
to  further the scene instead of their egos...

-- 
KeNNy!
AIM:  Munkeybuttt
Yahoo Mess:  Jungleboogiemonster
http://ghetto.hjsoft.com





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Sooo...

where are teh parties in late october?

Manhattan please

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Not a particularly ethnically sensitive closer there James=0A(just posting =
cuz i figure any thread that has countzero, weber, and linda all posting is=
 worth contributing to in some resepct, even if it actually adds nothing to=
 the conversation)=0AI think there there were a few big parties recently in=
 NYC.=A0 Lot of great stuff going on for the 21+ set.=A0 Just saw herbalize=
r last monday, some great house coming through here in the next month or so=
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Anyone catch Gilles Peterson yesterday at summerstage?  I wanted to go  
but forgot about it till it was too late to make the trip.  Even had  
it in my calendar to remind me.  I guess I should look at that more  
often...  Also, dude, Oriental is not the preferred nomenclature.   
Asian-American, please.

-Josh

On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Frank Scott wrote:

> Not a particularly ethnically sensitive closer there James
> (just posting cuz i figure any thread that has countzero, weber, and  
> linda all posting is worth contributing to in some resepct, even if  
> it actually adds nothing to the conversation)
> I think there there were a few big parties recently in NYC.  Lot of  
> great stuff going on for the 21+ set.  Just saw herbalizer last  
> monday, some great house coming through here in the next month or  
> so :)
> frank
> "phllystyl"
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: James Sheridan <jamesjsheridan@gmail.com>
> To: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
> Cc: The Work It Circuit <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 2:28:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>
> Sooo...
>
> where are teh parties in late october?
>
> Manhattan please
>
> with bubbles
>
> and lasers
>
> and female oriental dj's everywhere
>
>
>
>


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yeah i was at the jersey shore when I got my reminder text about giles and =
let out a loud D'OH.=A0 he is at Ciello on Thursday night though.=0AOther c=
ool nyc happenings over the next 7 days:=0A-Bobbito at Hudson Hotel courtes=
y of giantstep next Monday (free)=0A-Old School night of science on Friday =
at Love=0A-Matt Brownell (some of you may know him) has an awesome weekly g=
ig out in BK that I=A0frequently attend (reply for details)=0A-John Cutler =
for free on Sunday at the South Street Seaport=0Awerd.=0A=0AFrank=0A=0A=0A=
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mind me.=A0 I guess I should look at that more=A0 =0Aoften...=A0 Also, dude=
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ties recently in NYC.=A0 Lot of=A0 =0A> great stuff going on for the 21+ se=
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Subject: [ne-raves] penpals was: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities


on the nw-raves list, we weren't 'online penpals'. we all knew each other
in person, met up at events, hung out, and threw list parties together.
some people on the list even ended up becoming domestic partners/married
partners. i've been friends with people i met there for... geez, over 13
years in some cases. damn i'm old ;) in fact several of them are now on
ne-raves today.

i'd be surprised if the same hadn't been true on ne-raves to some extent,
tho i can't say from experience since i've only been subbed once in a blue
moon. i do tend to feel like friendship/community is a big part of the
purpose of these lists, though, and find it weird that anyone wouldn't
want to make friends were it possible. but that could just be the left
coast 'neohippie' in me ;)

kimberley
http://www.to-evolve.com

> This is not a fucking popularity contest, I am not trying to make friends
> online -- maybe that's why you talk so much shit that makes no sense, you
> are trying to pander to people who may potentially be your online penpals?
> I really don't know the answer to that and like I told you -- I do go out,
> but rarely -- I will be out next time Goldie plays in NYC ... hope to see
> you there! Because unlike you I don't think anyone ruins or doesn't ruin a
> party besides the people who organize, promote and book the DJs
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, imjustawittleduck@gmail.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:06 PM
>
>
>
> to be honest i did not read anything you wrote because i no longer care
> what you have to say. Since you no longer go out please get off this list
> cause you bring nothing to the table..........
>
> All this time i thought there was no one of interest on here & there is i
> have met about 5 people because of all this........ ask this question to
> yourself thou..... why isn't anyone really responding to this on the
> list?  Because no one wants to deal with your bullshit!   I am over
> anything you have to say & will no longer entertain you.
>
> later
>
>
>
>
>
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here is something else going on this weekend @ the  yard....
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The rest of the summer...

August 17
Nicky Siano  -- LEGEND!

August 24
Joakim =E2=80=93 The Tigersushi and !K7 artist brings  weird, organic dance=20=
jams

August 31
Metro Area =E2=80=93 Hometown disco heroes  close out the series nice and ea=
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_/_/_/_/_/_/
The  vitals
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venue The Yard
address 400 Carroll St between  Bond and Nevins, Brooklyn
dates Sunday, May 25 =E2=80=93 Sunday, August 31
food  Delicious and authentic tacos and enchiladas
booze You have to be 21 to drink  it, but we=E2=80=99ll be selling it at the=
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ages All ages
time 3p =E2=80=93 9p
cover  $8
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F, G trains to  Carroll St. South on Smith. Left on President. Right on Hoyt=
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Left on  Carroll.
N, R trains to Union. West on Union. Left on Nevins. Right on  Carroll. Just=
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LISMORE
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BAD DECISION
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Well Hello................ nice to meet you My name is  Maria............  
are you in the tri state  now?





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BEMF wooo.=C2=A0 was actually thinking about checking it out.=0Afrank=0A=0A=
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That's what I like to see...  Events!

Speaking of ... anyone going to minitek 
<http://www.minitekfestival.com/> and / or Sunday School for Degenerates 
<http://www.madeevent.com/sundayschool.php>?

-C4


Frank Scott wrote:
> BEMF wooo.  was actually thinking about checking it out.
> frank
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Distort909@aol.com" <Distort909@aol.com>
> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 3:15:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
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>
> here is something else going on this weekend @ the  yard....
>
> John Tejada // At Sunday Best! // With Justin  Carter, Eamon Harkin and Doug 
> Singer 
>
>
> The rest of the summer...
>
> August 17
> Nicky Siano  -- LEGEND!
>
> August 24
> Joakim – The Tigersushi and !K7 artist brings  weird, organic dance jams
>
> August 31
> Metro Area – Hometown disco heroes  close out the series nice and easy
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/
> The  vitals
> _/_/_/_/_/_/
>
> venue The Yard
> address 400 Carroll St between  Bond and Nevins, Brooklyn
> dates Sunday, May 25 – Sunday, August 31
> food  Delicious and authentic tacos and enchiladas
> booze You have to be 21 to drink  it, but we’ll be selling it at the bar
> ages All ages
> time 3p – 9p
> cover  $8
> rsvp _rsvp@sundaybestnyc.com_ (mailto:rsvp@sundaybestnyc.com) 
> websites _http://www.sundaybestnyc.com_ (http://www.sundaybestnyc.com/)  ** 
> _http://www.theyard.ws_ (http://www.theyard.ws/)  **
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/
> Directions
> _/_/_/_/_/_/
>
> F, G trains to  Carroll St. South on Smith. Left on President. Right on Hoyt. 
> Left on  Carroll.
> N, R trains to Union. West on Union. Left on Nevins. Right on  Carroll. Just 
> over the bridge.
> The Yard is at 400 Carroll Street between Bond  and Nevins, Brooklyn
>
>
> Aug 9th at the yard in bklyn 
>
>
> LINEUP 
> PERFORMERS:
> THE GLASS
> PURPLE  CRUSH
> LISMORE
> TODOSANTOS
> LOOSE SHUS & ROMANOFF
> CRIME  NOVELS
> DJS:
> TREASURE FINGERS
> COBRA KRAMES
> FINGER ON THE  PULSE
> BAD DECISION
> NEON COYOTE
> REKLES
> VDRK
> SUBDRIVE  Dj's
> + SPECIAL GUESTS
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? 
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.      
> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )
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hey northeast ravers !!

Just like what the topic says [O.T.] Out of Topic. I would like to know who
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Starting 2007, things have been very unstable and unpredictable. Stocks that
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Quoting Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>:

> Not me, either.  I never lived in NYC and I went to a ton of parties, 
>  and knew about even more.  Not because I lived there, or knew the  
> right people, but because people shared that information with me.  Ah 
>  well, it's a new era, I suppose...

To be perfectly honest, it's so all over the place now, I don't think 
anyone is
in a good position to know of everything.  I don't think this list is even a
good place for that as it's a rare few of us that may still be 
promoting.  But,
I don't see a lot of posts going on about events.  I've found the 
"nonsense nyc"
list tio be pretty good though.  Covers a range of everything and you can
discover new things happening in the area from what is further stumbled on at
the events through it.

But, for rave/techno and Brooklyn/NYC, think about it.  Studio B and Exit have
things going on pretty much on the regular.  As mentioned, Bunker and Danger
also do things on the regular.  As for the more avant garde stuff, or just new
kids, it's scattered all over and not networked really.  I hit up a couple
parties at some dive bar called "The Place" over in Brooklyn.  PS-1 still has
stuff every now and then, even though it's Queens.  I believe Water Taxi Beach
is still doing a regular House thing.  There's also some regular House events
going off on the Hudson river, along with a cruise thing that (at least last
summer) regularly booked some of the more abstract producers like Kid 
Koala and
Amon Tobin.  Love and Sullivan Room have stuff going off every weekend for
cheap.

I dunno.  Thing is, with the exception of the events going off at Studio B or
Exit, and some of those "Place" parties, you won't hear about most of 
the other
things I mentioned on "techno" or rave oriented boards or lists.  The 
sound just
isn't that specialized anymore and "rave," as a scene supported by an arguable
subculture, is dead, which makes systems geared towards it often fairly absent
of good promoters. Guess what I'm saying is that the information is 
still being
shared, but just isn't as centralized.  I used to be able to get all 
the info I
needed from this list alone.  LOL! ;)

-- 
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Difference of Opinion?

Agreed, I'm tired of deleting troll emails.

On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Ayodele Smith - Jackson wrote:

> Gentlemen,
>
> I've been watching this back and forth for quite some time, I'm not  
> going to justify or back one side or the other, but I think at this  
> particular point we can agree to disagree and leave it at that. The  
> arguing back and forth isn't convincing one side or the other and  
> though we all love a good debate, the "debate" ceased a long time  
> ago and its just degenerating into a capslock war and name calling.  
> So I'm asking if you two could please take this disagreement to  
> private messages or a vicious game or rock, paper, scissors and let  
> it be done.
>
> Just Another Party Go-er,
> Woozle
>
>
>
>
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Subject: [ne-raves] Fwd: [gabber] !!!8.23.08 NYC BARCORE w/ MARK N [BLOODY FIST],
	NEVERMIND, SCRAP.EDX & MUCH MORE!!!

Since this place has been devoid of events over the years, here's one for those
of you into hardcore from the mid 90s period.  Mark "Vanilla" N of Nasenbluten
in NYC, cheap!

----- Forwarded message from xxwearerobotsxx@hotmail.com -----

SATURDAY AUGUST 23RD 2008

BAR][CORE: LIVE FAST, BREAK HARD

flyer:

http://barcore.org/LIVEFAST_BREAKHARD/BC_8.23.08_WIDE.jpg

FEATURING AN EXCLUSIVE APPEARANCE FROM:

>> MARK N <<

***1ST EVER NYC APPEARANCE & 1ST U.S. APPEARANCE IN ALMOST 10 YEARS***
[Melbourne, Australia]
Bloody Fist Records | Old Rope | Industrial Strength | Noise-X-Change | Bastard
Loud

related links:
http://www.bloodyfistmusic.com/
http://www.bloodyfist.com.au/
http://www.noisexchange.com/
http://www.myspace.com/bloodyfistmusic

& LIVE PA's FROM:

NEVERMIND
[Norwalk, CT]
Apocalypse Recordings | Blast Beat | Speedboat | Teen Suicide | Hong Kong
Violence

related links:
http://www.apocalypse-recordings.com/
http://www.myspace.com/fukinnevermind

SCRAP.EDX
[Middletown, CT]
Hands Productions | Hive Records | Livevil Records

related links:
http://www.scrapedx.com/
http://www.myspace.com/scrapedxmusic

ROKHAUSEN
[New Brunswick, NJ]
Scolex Recordings

related links:
http://rokhausen.blogspot.com/
http://www.myspace.com/rokhausen

DIGIT216
[Queens, NY]
Barcore

related links:
http://digit216.net/
http://www.myspace.com/xdeathxtoxfalsexmetalx
http://www.barcore.org/

ALSO SPECIAL GUEST DJ:
ILL-LOGICAL
[Whitehall, PA]
Hard Life Entertainment | Lycanthropy Records

related links:
http://www.hardlifeent.com/
http://www.myspace.com/ill_logical
http://www.myspace.com/logicore

WITH VISUALS PROVIDED BY:
NOTENDO
[Brooklyn, NY]
8 Bit Peoples

related links:
http://audiovideo.sevcom.com/
http://www.myspace.com/johnnybeverly1989

***ARRIVE EARLY TO ENSURE ENTRY***

DAMAGE:

$8 b4 midnight
$10 after

18 to be destroyed
21 to be annihilated

10pm - 4am

@ The Bowery Poetry Club
308 Bowery Street
(Between Houston and Bleecker)
across from the old site of CBGB's [R.I.P]
New York, NY 10012
212.614.0505

for more info visit:

http://barcore.org/

http://www.myspace.com/barcore
_________________________________________________________________
Get more from your digital life.  Find out how.
http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

you steal AOL service? TOS'd!

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:55 PM,  <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
> because i chose to keep an email addy that i have had for over ten yrs that
> i dont pay for means i lose.........  ok then let me be the biggest loser  in
> the world......

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Quoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:

> you steal AOL service? TOS'd!

I could be wrong, but I blieve they allowed old e-mail addresses to go public,
even if you're not using the service anymore a few years ago

Either way, boring trolling from Alex aside, Maria's straight.  I've butted
heads with her enough times myself over the net.  She just some times gets
caught up in it in a way that gets too noisey which I think I can 
safely say we
all have. ;)

Additionally, let's start posting some more event information here.  Just from
the small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling from 
Alex, which
sadly generated the most traffic I can remember over this list in maybe 5-6
years, I'm completely disconnected from most of the people I knew at one point
as regulars on this list.  Thus, while I could be wrong, my guess is that a
fair number of us know about stuff going on that the rest don't.  There is so
much shit going on and this list used to be a great resource for 
allocating all
that information, largely due to the diverse amount of people who wanted to
share info.

I could also be mistaken here, but I just don't believe there are too many of
the old problem children left bothering with e-mail lists, as most of the
dipshits abandoned lists to go to web boards a long time ago.  Lists 
are boring
after all. ;)

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Not to top-post, but I completely agree with lowkey (as usual).


Lets put this flurry of activity to some use and start generating some information sharing.  I still see a core chunk of the peeps from NER that I became very close with, hell I recently re-connected with a  classmate that predated me by 4 ro 5 years, and I am sure I could pull several of them back into the fold.  This could be an amazing opportunity.  Granted, I don't have oodles of free time like I used to, but I still get an occasional weekend night off, and would love to know more about what is going on in this amazing city I can only spend the next 10 months in before having to return to the 215.

LETS RAVE.


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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Quoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:

> you steal AOL service? TOS'd!

I could be wrong, but I blieve they allowed old e-mail addresses to go public,
even if you're not using the service anymore a few years ago

Either way, boring trolling from Alex aside, Maria's straight.  I've butted
heads with her enough times myself over the net.  She just some times gets
caught up in it in a way that gets too noisey which I think I can 
safely say we
all have. ;)

Additionally, let's start posting some more event information here.  Just from
the small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling from 
Alex, which
sadly generated the most traffic I can remember over this list in maybe 5-6
years, I'm completely disconnected from most of the people I knew at one point
as regulars on this list.  Thus, while I could be wrong, my guess is that a
fair number of us know about stuff going on that the rest don't.  There is so
much shit going on and this list used to be a great resource for 
allocating all
that information, largely due to the diverse amount of people who wanted to
share info.

I could also be mistaken here, but I just don't believe there are too many of
the old problem children left bothering with e-mail lists, as most of the
dipshits abandoned lists to go to web boards a long time ago.  Lists 
are boring
after all. ;)

-- 
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Quoting Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>:

> Not to top-post, but I completely agree with lowkey (as usual).
>
>
> Lets put this flurry of activity to some use and start generating 
> some information sharing.  I still see a core chunk of the peeps from 
> NER that I became very close with, hell I recently re-connected with 
> a  classmate that predated me by 4 ro 5 years, and I am sure I could 
> pull several of them back into the fold.  This could be an amazing 
> opportunity.  Granted, I don't have oodles of free time like I used 
> to, but I still get an occasional weekend night off, and would love 
> to know more about what is going on in this amazing city I can only 
> spend the next 10 months in before having to return to the 215.
>
> LETS RAVE.

Word.  Completely feel you here too.  When I was the most active on this list
and others, I was a day student most of the time.  That meant I had about 3-4
hours of class in a day, a couple hours of reading at most, and a part 
time job
to deal with.  The rest of the time, I was free to explore my 
surroundings which
made it a lot easier to know about so much shit that was going on both inside
and outside my backyard.  Now, with a long work commute that takes up almost 3
hours from my day, and an 8 hour work day on top of that, I know very little
about what happens as I just don't have the time to look.  Every event I know
about is either through friends I still talk to, who often let me know the
night of the event, or through one e-mail list (the nonsense list) which is
strictly promotional (there is no discussion on it).  Aside from that, I still
do occassionally DJ, and I VJ at least once every two weeks, but I 
rarely share
that information anymore, as I'm not really connected to any place 
where I feel
I can.

I just have a hard time thinking that a lot of us aren't in the same boat.  We
all still go out here and there and do get to know about interesting things
going on, but it's in no way centrally shared.  we could have a 
community again
by sharing.

So, I posted about the Mark N party at the Bowery Poerty Club on the 
23rd.  I'll
def be there.  If you like hard breaks and hardcore, this is not one to 
miss. Mark N is absolutely legendary for what he has done in 
contributing to, and
shaping, the hardcore techno and hard breaks sounds from easilly 1994 
well into
the 2000s.  If you like speedcore, Nevermind is an excellent DJ who has been
doing it since 1996.  The rest of the people providing sounds are all 
very much
on the cutting edge doing a new harder take on jungle for the most 
part.  Plus,
they have an experimental visual artist doing stuff the whole night through
hacked 8bit Nintendo Entertainment systems.  And the max cost is $10 right in
downtown Manhattan across from where CBGB's used to be.  It's accessable, it's
cheap, and it's got a bit of everything involving one pocket of our 
culture. This is also the first time Mark N has ever played in NYC.  
Hrd to beat, but I
don't know how much promotion it's getting due to the fact that there are no
mor central promotional spots anymore, either through the net, parties  or
record stores.

On a side note, while a bit unrelated to the music of taste here, I've been
doing a regular VJ job at a goth/industrial party at the Sullivan Room 
biweekly
on Wednesdays.  It's also cheap ($5 I believe) and they often have great drink
deals before midnight.  On a number of times, it's been free absinthe. If you
like industrial at all, which has changed from how I remember it as it's taken
a lot of influence from very hard techno on the beats but cutting it a 
bit with
trancey melodies, it might be fun.  I'll be there this wednesday as the guy
behind the projector so, if anyone wants to come, say hello and let's have a
drink. :)

BTW, Frank, if you're in NYC right now, hit me up.  Haven't seen you in 
years. I'm in Jersey City.  I know you went the House route and there's 
still a fair
amount of stuff happening.  Plus, if ytou want to hit some jungle/breaks stuff
and are out of the loop, my girl is all about that shit and will likely know
where that stuff is happening.  I've been out of the loop with way too many
people, a complete fault of my own, and it would be great to rectify that.

-- 
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I hardly ever go out AT THE MOMENT.  That doesn't mean I shouldn't be on
this list.

Frank A

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:06 PM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:

> to be honest i did not read anything you wrote because i no longer care
>  what
> you have to say. Since you no longer go out please get off this list cause
> you bring nothing to the table..........
>
> All this time i thought there was no one of interest on here & there is  i
> have met about 5 people because of all this........ ask this question to
> yourself thou..... why isn't anyone really responding to this on the list?
>   Because
> no one wants to deal with your bullshit!   I am over anything  you have to
> say & will no longer entertain you.
>
> later
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
> (
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017)
>



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~ John Dean "Jeff" Cooper (10 May 1920 - 25 September 2006); LtCol, USMC;
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Since I'm worried of some of the more on topic discussion possibly 
getting lost
as a result of the trolling in the other topic, if everyone has a spare moment
here and there to do it, please post events that you think are good, that you
may be hitting up, to this list.  My work schedule and social life has me
fairly out of the loop for anything that I'll otherwise know about through the
minor exploration I do or friends that I have.  I still have weekends free, as
well as Wednesday nights once every 2 weeks, so I'd love to know about 
anything
that's going on.  I will be sure to post stuff I find out about at 
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dang.. u ppl make me cry :)  i miss u all :)
we should all have like a  meet-up or something, just like in the ol days
!!   Central Park ?  Even just to chillax at Wholefood in Columbus Circle (
I love the salad bar, tho expensive).

Take care :)



On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:44 PM, zephyrnewyork <zephyrnewyork@gmail.com>wrote:

> I hardly ever go out AT THE MOMENT.  That doesn't mean I shouldn't be on
> this list.
>
> Frank A
>
> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:06 PM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > to be honest i did not read anything you wrote because i no longer care
> >  what
> > you have to say. Since you no longer go out please get off this list
> cause
> > you bring nothing to the table..........
> >
> > All this time i thought there was no one of interest on here & there is
>  i
> > have met about 5 people because of all this........ ask this question to
> > yourself thou..... why isn't anyone really responding to this on the
> list?
> >   Because
> > no one wants to deal with your bullshit!   I am over anything  you have
> to
> > say & will no longer entertain you.
> >
> > later
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
> budget?
> > Read reviews on AOL Autos.
> > (
> >
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017
> )
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "A smart man only believes half of what he hears, a wise man knows which
> half."
>
> ~ John Dean "Jeff" Cooper (10 May 1920 - 25 September 2006); LtCol, USMC;
> teacher, author, one of the 20th century's foremost international experts
> on
> the use and history of small arms
>

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you better tell those guys to be packing extra  sound!



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fair enough ill start posting  events...................



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I'm kind of reluctant to post events since I'm not always sure how legal
they are.  And to solidify this point, I was nearly arrested last year at a
party, and unfortunately many others were.  Another event more recently was
shut down by the feds, luckily before the party started.  (I didn't know it
was gonna be on federal property!)  I know some of the crowd understands the
risks, but there also seems to be a club oriented crowd who may not and
could find themselves in situations that could jeopardize their freedom,
careers and futures.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:36 AM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:

> fair enough ill start posting  events...................
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.
> (
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017)
>



-- 
KeNNy!
AIM: Munkeybuttt
Yahoo Mess: Jungleboogiemonster
http://ghetto.hjsoft.com

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

it's a damn shame people share this reluctance, but it's absolutely
understandable.

who parties in boston?

galen

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 7:34 AM, The Work It Circuit
<jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm kind of reluctant to post events since I'm not always sure how legal
> they are.  And to solidify this point, I was nearly arrested last year at a
> party, and unfortunately many others were.  Another event more recently was
> shut down by the feds, luckily before the party started.  (I didn't know it
> was gonna be on federal property!)  I know some of the crowd understands the
> risks, but there also seems to be a club oriented crowd who may not and
> could find themselves in situations that could jeopardize their freedom,
> careers and futures.
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:36 AM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> fair enough ill start posting  events...................
>>
>>
>>
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Dude, I generated the most traffic in years =A0-- you said it yourself
=A0
Please address me by my proper title -- "The List Traffic Generator" -- "tr=
oll" is so 2002, c'mon, get with the times --- plus if I was boring, it wou=
ldn't generate so much traffic. I am an exciting vibrant individual, just a=
ccept it and move forward in a positive manner=20

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From: lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:00 PM

Quoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:

> you steal AOL service? TOS'd!

I could be wrong, but I blieve they allowed old e-mail addresses to go publ=
ic,
even if you're not using the service anymore a few years ago

Either way, boring trolling from Alex aside, Maria's straight.  I've
butted
heads with her enough times myself over the net.  She just some times gets
caught up in it in a way that gets too noisey which I think I can=20
safely say we
all have. ;)

Additionally, let's start posting some more event information here.  Just
from
the small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling from=20
Alex, which
sadly generated the most traffic I can remember over this list in maybe 5-6
years, I'm completely disconnected from most of the people I knew at one
point
as regulars on this list.  Thus, while I could be wrong, my guess is that a
fair number of us know about stuff going on that the rest don't.  There is
so
much shit going on and this list used to be a great resource for=20
allocating all
that information, largely due to the diverse amount of people who wanted to
share info.

I could also be mistaken here, but I just don't believe there are too many
of
the old problem children left bothering with e-mail lists, as most of the
dipshits abandoned lists to go to web boards a long time ago.  Lists=20
are boring
after all. ;)

--=20
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Actually there was an=A0interesting article in the nyt (sunday mag I beleiv=
e) this past weekend, all about trolls, /b/, encyclopedia dramatica etc.=A0=
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=A0-- you said it yourself=0A=A0=0APlease address me by my proper title -- =
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ugust 4, 2008, 8:00 PM=0A=0AQuoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:=0A=0A=
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lowed old e-mail addresses to go public,=0Aeven if you're not using the ser=
vice anymore a few years ago=0A=0AEither way, boring trolling from Alex asi=
de, Maria's straight.=A0 I've=0Abutted=0Aheads with her enough times myself=
 over the net.=A0 She just some times gets=0Acaught up in it in a way that =
gets too noisey which I think I can =0Asafely say we=0Aall have. ;)=0A=0AAd=
ditionally, let's start posting some more event information here.=A0 Just=
=0Afrom=0Athe small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling fr=
om =0AAlex, which=0Asadly generated the most traffic I can remember over th=
is list in maybe 5-6=0Ayears, I'm completely disconnected from most of the =
people I knew at one=0Apoint=0Aas regulars on this list.=A0 Thus, while I c=
ould be wrong, my guess is that a=0Afair number of us know about stuff goin=
g on that the rest don't.=A0 There is=0Aso=0Amuch shit going on and this li=
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Quoting The Work It Circuit <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>:

> I'm kind of reluctant to post events since I'm not always sure how legal
> they are.  And to solidify this point, I was nearly arrested last year at a
> party, and unfortunately many others were.  Another event more recently was
> shut down by the feds, luckily before the party started.  (I didn't know it
> was gonna be on federal property!)  I know some of the crowd understands the
> risks, but there also seems to be a club oriented crowd who may not and
> could find themselves in situations that could jeopardize their freedom,
> careers and futures.

Just use common sense.  If it's an outlaw party, don't post about it 
here.  Send
the invite personally and let people know of its legal status.  I personally
can't attend any outlaws.  However, for parties getting shut down that simply
don't have permits, I'd be highly skeptical that this list would have anything
to do with it.  I've been to a handful of those and, every time, it had to do
with people either not giving the cops their graft or noise complaints, not
internet promotion.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Quoting Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>:

> Dude, I generated the most traffic in years -- you said it yourself

Spam generates the most traffic on the internet as well.  Pat yourself on the
back for having something in common and then learn what areas of the net are
appropriate for stupid ego noise.  Quality before quantity, Alex.  Your 
schtick
here has you about 1-2 posts away from my killfile which I'd rather not 
do. Thanks.

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I second that.  Both the "I can't attend outlaws anymore" and the NER  
gets parties shut down sentiments.  Chance discovery by rent-a-cops  
(and the ensuing community service for trespassing), lack of greased  
palms, noise complaints, etc.  These are the things that always were  
(and most likely still are) the reasons cops showed up.

You could also just let people know there's one coming up, without  
posting details. If people are interested they would contact you.

-Josh

On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:02 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:

> Quoting The Work It Circuit <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>:
>
>> I'm kind of reluctant to post events since I'm not always sure how  
>> legal
>> they are.  And to solidify this point, I was nearly arrested last  
>> year at a
>> party, and unfortunately many others were.  Another event more  
>> recently was
>> shut down by the feds, luckily before the party started.  (I didn't  
>> know it
>> was gonna be on federal property!)  I know some of the crowd  
>> understands the
>> risks, but there also seems to be a club oriented crowd who may not  
>> and
>> could find themselves in situations that could jeopardize their  
>> freedom,
>> careers and futures.
>
> Just use common sense.  If it's an outlaw party, don't post about it  
> here.  Send
> the invite personally and let people know of its legal status.  I  
> personally
> can't attend any outlaws.  However, for parties getting shut down  
> that simply
> don't have permits, I'd be highly skeptical that this list would  
> have anything
> to do with it.  I've been to a handful of those and, every time, it  
> had to do
> with people either not giving the cops their graft or noise  
> complaints, not
> internet promotion.
>
> -- 
> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
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> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
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Thanks all for the information, did not mean to offend with the oriental
DJ's comment just making fun of myself




On 8/5/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I second that.  Both the "I can't attend outlaws anymore" and the NER gets
> parties shut down sentiments.  Chance discovery by rent-a-cops (and the
> ensuing community service for trespassing), lack of greased palms, noise
> complaints, etc.  These are the things that always were (and most likely
> still are) the reasons cops showed up.
>
> You could also just let people know there's one coming up, without posting
> details. If people are interested they would contact you.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:02 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>
> Quoting The Work It Circuit <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>:
>>
>> I'm kind of reluctant to post events since I'm not always sure how legal
>>> they are.  And to solidify this point, I was nearly arrested last year at
>>> a
>>> party, and unfortunately many others were.  Another event more recently
>>> was
>>> shut down by the feds, luckily before the party started.  (I didn't know
>>> it
>>> was gonna be on federal property!)  I know some of the crowd understands
>>> the
>>> risks, but there also seems to be a club oriented crowd who may not and
>>> could find themselves in situations that could jeopardize their freedom,
>>> careers and futures.
>>>
>>
>> Just use common sense.  If it's an outlaw party, don't post about it here.
>>  Send
>> the invite personally and let people know of its legal status.  I
>> personally
>> can't attend any outlaws.  However, for parties getting shut down that
>> simply
>> don't have permits, I'd be highly skeptical that this list would have
>> anything
>> to do with it.  I've been to a handful of those and, every time, it had to
>> do
>> with people either not giving the cops their graft or noise complaints,
>> not
>> internet promotion.
>>
>> --
>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>>
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Its safe to post day parties & parties done at legal venues. What i  started 
to do if for other stuff i have started a privet email list that when  & if 
there are stuff like that i would send a privet email for it.  But  in all 
honesty if a flyer is made for something & handed out more then  likely the 
authorities know about it...............



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Oh no, don't do that...=A0 would you prefer my shtick be riding a unicycle =
and juggling bowling pins that are on fire

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From: lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 10:05 AM

Quoting Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>:

> Dude, I generated the most traffic in years -- you said it yourself

Spam generates the most traffic on the internet as well.  Pat yourself on t=
he
back for having something in common and then learn what areas of the net ar=
e
appropriate for stupid ego noise.  Quality before quantity, Alex.  Your=20
schtick
here has you about 1-2 posts away from my killfile which I'd rather not=20
do. Thanks.

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I read that article briefly. These people are funny at times and pathetic  at 
others.



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Um, I don't think anybody really got offended.  My line was a quote  
from the Big Lebowski.  And there are at least a few members of this  
list who love them some orientals.

-Josh

On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:24 AM, James Sheridan wrote:

> Thanks all for the information, did not mean to offend with the  
> oriental DJ's comment just making fun of myself
>
>
>
>
> On 8/5/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> I second that.  Both the "I can't attend outlaws anymore" and the  
> NER gets parties shut down sentiments.  Chance discovery by rent-a- 
> cops (and the ensuing community service for trespassing), lack of  
> greased palms, noise complaints, etc.  These are the things that  
> always were (and most likely still are) the reasons cops showed up.
>
> You could also just let people know there's one coming up, without  
> posting details. If people are interested they would contact you.
>
> -Josh
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:02 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>
> Quoting The Work It Circuit <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>:
>
> I'm kind of reluctant to post events since I'm not always sure how  
> legal
> they are.  And to solidify this point, I was nearly arrested last  
> year at a
> party, and unfortunately many others were.  Another event more  
> recently was
> shut down by the feds, luckily before the party started.  (I didn't  
> know it
> was gonna be on federal property!)  I know some of the crowd  
> understands the
> risks, but there also seems to be a club oriented crowd who may not  
> and
> could find themselves in situations that could jeopardize their  
> freedom,
> careers and futures.
>
> Just use common sense.  If it's an outlaw party, don't post about it  
> here.  Send
> the invite personally and let people know of its legal status.  I  
> personally
> can't attend any outlaws.  However, for parties getting shut down  
> that simply
> don't have permits, I'd be highly skeptical that this list would  
> have anything
> to do with it.  I've been to a handful of those and, every time, it  
> had to do
> with people either not giving the cops their graft or noise  
> complaints, not
> internet promotion.
>
> -- 
> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
> http://www.septiknexus.com
> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>
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How can i put him in my kill file if i have  one................



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I love people who make fun of themselves :)  i do it all the  time



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I don't think they have kill files in AOL 

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How can i put him in my kill file if i have  one................



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A little larger, club-type event.  But should still be fun:

*THIS* Friday August 8th 9pm to ?????
At Transit Nightclub (6th and Spring Garden Sts in Philadelphia, PA)
21+ / $15 advance / $20 day of show / Tickets Avail At Last Drop And =20
Tequila Sunrise

MAKING TIME
WITH THE MOST SPECIAL LIVE GUESTS EVER:
SOULWAX NITE VERSIONS (http://www.myspace.com/soulwax)
& THE JUAN MACLEAN (http://www.myspace.com/thejuanmaclean)

ALONG WITH THE MOST SPECIAL GUEST DJs EVER:
2manydjs (http://www.soulwax.com)
& EROL ALKAN (http://www.myspace.com/erolalkan)

Along with MAKING TIME residents:
Main Floor DJs : Dave P / Dave Pak / Mike Z
Illuminating the dance floor w/ =20
indiedance.cocainesexjams.partytrainanthems.nitemusic.thebangers

Upstairs DJs : A Rock Tits Event w/ Joel, Nez, Russ Alexander & Steve =20=

Vena
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newwavehouse.nowavedisco.electro.acidrain.sparklemotion.techYEAH=

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I read the article and I think Alex is more of a flamer than a *real* troll.
Real trolls, like, do big/horrible shit to random people on the internet,
instead of engaging in petty flame wars. That's not to say trolls wouldn't
engage in flame wars but that flaming is a small part of the larger
phenomenon of trolling, and can stand on its own.

Wow, I sound douchey there.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Actually there was an interesting article in the nyt (sunday mag I beleive)
> this past weekend, all about trolls, /b/, encyclopedia dramatica etc.  worth
> a read if you're bored
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>
> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org; lowkey@acidgrave.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:21:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>
> Dude, I generated the most traffic in years  -- you said it yourself
>
> Please address me by my proper title -- "The List Traffic Generator" --
> "troll" is so 2002, c'mon, get with the times --- plus if I was boring, it
> wouldn't generate so much traffic. I am an exciting vibrant individual, just
> accept it and move forward in a positive manner
>
> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
>
> From: lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:00 PM
>
> Quoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:
>
> > you steal AOL service? TOS'd!
>
> I could be wrong, but I blieve they allowed old e-mail addresses to go
> public,
> even if you're not using the service anymore a few years ago
>
> Either way, boring trolling from Alex aside, Maria's straight.  I've
> butted
> heads with her enough times myself over the net.  She just some times gets
> caught up in it in a way that gets too noisey which I think I can
> safely say we
> all have. ;)
>
> Additionally, let's start posting some more event information here.  Just
> from
> the small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling from
> Alex, which
> sadly generated the most traffic I can remember over this list in maybe 5-6
> years, I'm completely disconnected from most of the people I knew at one
> point
> as regulars on this list.  Thus, while I could be wrong, my guess is that a
> fair number of us know about stuff going on that the rest don't.  There is
> so
> much shit going on and this list used to be a great resource for
> allocating all
> that information, largely due to the diverse amount of people who wanted to
> share info.
>
> I could also be mistaken here, but I just don't believe there are too many
> of
> the old problem children left bothering with e-mail lists, as most of the
> dipshits abandoned lists to go to web boards a long time ago.  Lists
> are boring
> after all. ;)
>
> --
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> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
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Subject: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

Shitty news.

http://brooklynpaper.com/stories/31/31/31_31_ml_studio_b_update.html

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http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html




D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:
> I read the article and I think Alex is more of a flamer than a *real* troll.
> Real trolls, like, do big/horrible shit to random people on the internet,
> instead of engaging in petty flame wars. That's not to say trolls wouldn't
> engage in flame wars but that flaming is a small part of the larger
> phenomenon of trolling, and can stand on its own.
>
> Wow, I sound douchey there.
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Actually there was an interesting article in the nyt (sunday mag I beleive)
>> this past weekend, all about trolls, /b/, encyclopedia dramatica etc.  worth
>> a read if you're bored
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org; lowkey@acidgrave.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:21:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>>
>> Dude, I generated the most traffic in years  -- you said it yourself
>>
>> Please address me by my proper title -- "The List Traffic Generator" --
>> "troll" is so 2002, c'mon, get with the times --- plus if I was boring, it
>> wouldn't generate so much traffic. I am an exciting vibrant individual, just
>> accept it and move forward in a positive manner
>>
>> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:00 PM
>>
>> Quoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:
>>
>>     
>>> you steal AOL service? TOS'd!
>>>       
>> I could be wrong, but I blieve they allowed old e-mail addresses to go
>> public,
>> even if you're not using the service anymore a few years ago
>>
>> Either way, boring trolling from Alex aside, Maria's straight.  I've
>> butted
>> heads with her enough times myself over the net.  She just some times gets
>> caught up in it in a way that gets too noisey which I think I can
>> safely say we
>> all have. ;)
>>
>> Additionally, let's start posting some more event information here.  Just
>> from
>> the small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling from
>> Alex, which
>> sadly generated the most traffic I can remember over this list in maybe 5-6
>> years, I'm completely disconnected from most of the people I knew at one
>> point
>> as regulars on this list.  Thus, while I could be wrong, my guess is that a
>> fair number of us know about stuff going on that the rest don't.  There is
>> so
>> much shit going on and this list used to be a great resource for
>> allocating all
>> that information, largely due to the diverse amount of people who wanted to
>> share info.
>>
>> I could also be mistaken here, but I just don't believe there are too many
>> of
>> the old problem children left bothering with e-mail lists, as most of the
>> dipshits abandoned lists to go to web boards a long time ago.  Lists
>> are boring
>> after all. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>>
>>
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> What is a good party for october in NY?  

That's planning too far in advance for me. But I'm sure there will be plenty of Halloween parties to pick from.

> there is that goth club in the old church, whatever name it
> is now, 

Wow, are you talking about the Limelight? Not sure they've had goth nights there in a very long while. Though a few years ago I did go and there was a kind of a rivet-head, industrial, fetish thing going on in the back chapel. 

> but what
> else is there for a good dance?

In NYC?.. it's feels like things are a little rough right now as different scenes reorient themselves. It doesn't feel like there is any particularly strong movement here. Except that you do have the growing popularity of dance rock that I think is carryover from electro clash. Think MIA, Santogold, the Rapture. 

May not be your thing but I think it's kind of cool to see an even more varied mix of people than even the best rave party I've been to. Not sure where they're coming from but there are tons of black hipsters now -- MIA, Santogold perhaps? It's really wild that all the crazy styles from the 80s are coming back. I blame American Apparel. I straight up see Run DMC and Kid-n-Play at parties now. It's like people walked out of 
Wild Style.

Not sure what your thing is but there are still Cielo and Pacha for the megadisco big name thing in Manhattan. For the good but slightly less known acts there's the fairly new Santos Party House which is co-owned by Andrew WK. Haven't been there yet but they've had pretty cool lineups. Similar in lineup and crowd to Santos is Studio B which located in Greenpoint Brooklyn, ten or so blocks from the Bedford L in Williamsburg. Someone else on the list mentioned people smoking dust inside the club which I can't imagine because it's an official legit venue trying to do things by the book. I haven't smelled anyone so much as smoke a cigarette and there is security everywhere (who are very nice in my experiences there) so it seems weird that dust wouldn't get the kabosh immediately. But I haven't been to a crowded or rave-like event there.

Might be closed by October but I had a great time the one time I was at Water Taxi a few weekends ago. It's outdoor in Long Island City (near PS1 the museum) right on the East River with a great view of Manhattan. It has an amazing PA (this crazy array of subs and tops that run the length of the dance area), tented dance area and sandy beach which also provides the dancefloor lube so you don't have to bring your own talcum powder. They've also got a grill and full bar. Pretty mixed crowd of hipsters, arty folks and bridge & tunnel. It's fine though because everyone seems to have fun and play nice. They police _hard_ there for illegal behavior. I've seen people ignobly tossed by the scruff of their necks for smoking pot. Seems like it'd be hard to do in the dark and outdoor but they do it. If you have to, take a walk around the block.


      

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> Manhattan please
> with bubbles

Non-existent. I think DC still does... any DC folks can confirm?

> and lasers

You'd definitely have to hit the big venues then. Webster Hall or Roseland might be fun with the right party. Though I've known Webster much more for rock shows of late. But it is cool to hear rock bands with super sub bass.

> and female oriental dj's everywhere

You're making a funny right? Actually if you go certain house parties there are groups of Japanese kids with cutesy girls. But I've never seen any of them get behind the decks yet.


      

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It was onl;y a matter of time....... maybe if the partie kids had more respect for their surroundings things like this would not happen............... I know if i was a home owner & one of the patrons used my stoop as a bathroom i would be really pissed off as well............

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Shitty news.?
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petit bourgeois!!

just kidding.



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Was this a club that opened in a residential area?  Or was it a club that
opened in a run down area that was later revitalized and over run by people
moving in?

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities - NYC

Quoting Spurty <spurty_brown@yahoo.com>:

> In NYC?.. it's feels like things are a little rough right now as 
> different scenes reorient themselves. It doesn't feel like there is 
> any particularly strong movement here. Except that you do have the 
> growing popularity of dance rock that I think is carryover from 
> electro clash. Think MIA, Santogold, the Rapture.
>
> May not be your thing but I think it's kind of cool to see an even 
> more varied mix of people than even the best rave party I've been to.

Couldn't agree with you more here.  For all the bitching about 
"hipsters," their
presence has contributed to some of the bigger and best parties I've 
been to in
years, along with different sound influences.  What I find funny about it is,
while I'm not about to pretend I find a lot of it a bit lame, the people who
bitch about them the most were exactly like them as "ravers."  They just had a
different dresscode.  But, that "scene" is about as far as I think it 
can touch
electroclash.  I really loathed that sound ("yay! I'm on cocaine and 
don't give
a fuck!") but enjoy MIA and Santogold a lot.  I like the fact that there are
artists popping up again who seem to be making a somewhat viable living
creating new sounds, whether extreme or subtle, and it's not garbage like
"Scissor Sisters."  That used to be one of the things I found so refreshing
about rave culture.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities - NYC

Slightly related, but not really, google Ron White Philadelphia.  He  
was Santogold's father.  About as corrupt as you can get...

-Josh

On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:23 PM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:

> Quoting Spurty <spurty_brown@yahoo.com>:
>
>> In NYC?.. it's feels like things are a little rough right now as  
>> different scenes reorient themselves. It doesn't feel like there is  
>> any particularly strong movement here. Except that you do have the  
>> growing popularity of dance rock that I think is carryover from  
>> electro clash. Think MIA, Santogold, the Rapture.
>>
>> May not be your thing but I think it's kind of cool to see an even  
>> more varied mix of people than even the best rave party I've been to.
>
> Couldn't agree with you more here.  For all the bitching about  
> "hipsters," their
> presence has contributed to some of the bigger and best parties I've  
> been to in
> years, along with different sound influences.  What I find funny  
> about it is,
> while I'm not about to pretend I find a lot of it a bit lame, the  
> people who
> bitch about them the most were exactly like them as "ravers."  They  
> just had a
> different dresscode.  But, that "scene" is about as far as I think  
> it can touch
> electroclash.  I really loathed that sound ("yay! I'm on cocaine and  
> don't give
> a fuck!") but enjoy MIA and Santogold a lot.  I like the fact that  
> there are
> artists popping up again who seem to be making a somewhat viable  
> living
> creating new sounds, whether extreme or subtle, and it's not garbage  
> like
> "Scissor Sisters."  That used to be one of the things I found so  
> refreshing
> about rave culture.
>
> -- 
> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
> http://www.septiknexus.com
> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>
>
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Subject: RE: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

Quoting Terence Bernard Clarkin <tbclarkin@hotmail.com>:

> What you dont think the polish in that area are pissing on people 
> stoops?  They dont really have any neighbors in that area I dont know 
> who would be complaining.

My guess would be the person complaining is a developer who would love 
to build
a multistory luxury housing complex on the block. ;)

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

Quoting The Work It Circuit <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>:

> Was this a club that opened in a residential area?  Or was it a club that
> opened in a run down area that was later revitalized and over run by people
> moving in?

 From the nature of the area, my guess would be that it is zoned as a 
"mixed use"
area.  Small warehouse/industry and residential homes.  "Mixed Use" is 
generally
code for "if you are not a structure that supplies many housing units 
which can
increase the tax base, you are out of here as soon as we find a taker for your
land."  The club was not there first.  It's relatively new.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] penpals was: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

> penpals'. we all knew each other
> in person, met up at events, hung out, and threw list
> parties together.
> some people on the list even ended up becoming domestic
> partners/married
> partners. i've been friends with people i met there

All the above has happened here in the past. But it's been a _very_ long time. Maybe because the list covers some very big cities and the scene is no longer underground there is less of a need to network online and travel hours to a decent party. And the new blood with the energy and motivation to keep things going aren't hanging out on old school listserves like this -- at least not here in the NE. I think SF is a lot different.

> moon. i do tend to feel like friendship/community is a big
> part of the
> purpose of these lists, though, and find it weird that
> anyone wouldn't
> want to make friends were it possible. 

There is still community but it seems much more insular and limited to specific scenes, eg DnB, trance, etc. When the electronic dance scene was new and small it was enough just to find parties hours away and people who listened to vaguely similar stuff to you. Now people are quite picky and selective. Some won't put up with drugs, some won't put up with neo-hippies as you've seen evidence here. I used to put up with hardcore parties with music I wasn't crazy about just because I knew some really cool kids in that group and they had a lot more cohesion than other scenes saw. Can't say that I'd do the same now... plus my aging heart and knees probably couldn't take that sort of abuse.


      

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You are correct -- not oly am=A0I a flamer, I am also a firefighter
=A0
What irony=20

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com> wrote:

From: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
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Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 11:26 AM




I read the article and I think Alex is more of a flamer than a real troll. =
Real trolls, like, do big/horrible shit to random people on the internet, i=
nstead of engaging in petty flame wars. That's not to say trolls wouldn't e=
ngage in flame wars but that=A0flaming is=A0a small part of=A0the larger ph=
enomenon of trolling, and can stand on its own.
=A0
Wow, I sound douchey there.


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:

Actually there was an=A0interesting article in the nyt (sunday mag I beleiv=
e) this past weekend, all about trolls, /b/, encyclopedia dramatica etc.=A0=
 worth a read if you're bored






----- Original Message ----
From: Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org; lowkey@acidgrave.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:21:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities

Dude, I generated the most traffic in years =A0-- you said it yourself
=A0
Please address me by my proper title -- "The List Traffic Generator" -- "tr=
oll" is so 2002, c'mon, get with the times --- plus if I was boring, it wou=
ldn't generate so much traffic. I am an exciting vibrant individual, just a=
ccept it and move forward in a positive manner

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:

From: lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:00 PM

Quoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:

> you steal AOL service? TOS'd!

I could be wrong, but I blieve they allowed old e-mail addresses to go publ=
ic,
even if you're not using the service anymore a few years ago

Either way, boring trolling from Alex aside, Maria's straight.=A0 I've
butted
heads with her enough times myself over the net.=A0 She just some times get=
s
caught up in it in a way that gets too noisey which I think I can
safely say we
all have. ;)

Additionally, let's start posting some more event information here.=A0 Just
from
the small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling from
Alex, which
sadly generated the most traffic I can remember over this list in maybe 5-6
years, I'm completely disconnected from most of the people I knew at one
point
as regulars on this list.=A0 Thus, while I could be wrong, my guess is that=
 a
fair number of us know about stuff going on that the rest don't.=A0 There i=
s
so
much shit going on and this list used to be a great resource for
allocating all
that information, largely due to the diverse amount of people who wanted to
share info.

I could also be mistaken here, but I just don't believe there are too many
of
the old problem children left bothering with e-mail lists, as most of the
dipshits abandoned lists to go to web boards a long time ago.=A0 Lists
are boring
after all. ;)

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> Just like what the topic says [O.T.] Out of Topic. I would
> like to know who
> in here knows about the market or has been reading about

Hey Andy. Welcome back but common now. You're an old schooler and should know better. OT (off topic) is one thing but please tell me you're not seriously looking for financial advice on a rave list. We're arguing about drugs and whether or not the scene is dying. Stuff that's be argued ad infinitum to no profound conclusion on the list since practically day one.

If you really want help save up to buy a share of Berkshire Hathaway so you can attend their annual shareholders meeting and get a little useful info from Warren Buffett.


      

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Ok, I get it, you are a community --- congratulations. Lets build a development on a piece of barn land and then all live there -- want to meet up in a park and sit on the grass?

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Spurty <spurty_brown@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] penpals was: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
To: groovinkim@seattletechno.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 12:42 PM

> penpals'. we all knew each other
> in person, met up at events, hung out, and threw list
> parties together.
> some people on the list even ended up becoming domestic
> partners/married
> partners. i've been friends with people i met there

All the above has happened here in the past. But it's been a _very_ long
time. Maybe because the list covers some very big cities and the scene is no
longer underground there is less of a need to network online and travel hours to
a decent party. And the new blood with the energy and motivation to keep things
going aren't hanging out on old school listserves like this -- at least not
here in the NE. I think SF is a lot different.

> moon. i do tend to feel like friendship/community is a big
> part of the
> purpose of these lists, though, and find it weird that
> anyone wouldn't
> want to make friends were it possible. 

There is still community but it seems much more insular and limited to specific
scenes, eg DnB, trance, etc. When the electronic dance scene was new and small
it was enough just to find parties hours away and people who listened to vaguely
similar stuff to you. Now people are quite picky and selective. Some won't
put up with drugs, some won't put up with neo-hippies as you've seen
evidence here. I used to put up with hardcore parties with music I wasn't
crazy about just because I knew some really cool kids in that group and they had
a lot more cohesion than other scenes saw. Can't say that I'd do the
same now... plus my aging heart and knees probably couldn't take that sort
of abuse.


      

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A firefighter from the West Village, right?

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>wrote:

>   You are correct -- not oly am I a flamer, I am also a firefighter
>
> What irony
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/5/08, D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>*wrote:
>
> From: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.org, lowkey@acidgrave.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 11:26 AM
>
>
>  I read the article and I think Alex is more of a flamer than a *real*troll. Real trolls, like, do big/horrible shit to random people on the
> internet, instead of engaging in petty flame wars. That's not to say trolls
> wouldn't engage in flame wars but that flaming is a small part of the larger
> phenomenon of trolling, and can stand on its own.
>
> Wow, I sound douchey there.
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually there was an interesting article in the nyt (sunday mag I
>> beleive) this past weekend, all about trolls, /b/, encyclopedia dramatica
>> etc.  worth a read if you're bored
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org; lowkey@acidgrave.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:21:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>>
>> Dude, I generated the most traffic in years  -- you said it yourself
>>
>> Please address me by my proper title -- "The List Traffic Generator" --
>> "troll" is so 2002, c'mon, get with the times --- plus if I was boring, it
>> wouldn't generate so much traffic. I am an exciting vibrant individual, just
>> accept it and move forward in a positive manner
>>
>> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:00 PM
>>
>> Quoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > you steal AOL service? TOS'd!
>>
>> I could be wrong, but I blieve they allowed old e-mail addresses to go
>> public,
>> even if you're not using the service anymore a few years ago
>>
>> Either way, boring trolling from Alex aside, Maria's straight.  I've
>> butted
>> heads with her enough times myself over the net.  She just some times gets
>> caught up in it in a way that gets too noisey which I think I can
>> safely say we
>> all have. ;)
>>
>> Additionally, let's start posting some more event information here.  Just
>> from
>> the small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling from
>> Alex, which
>> sadly generated the most traffic I can remember over this list in maybe
>> 5-6
>> years, I'm completely disconnected from most of the people I knew at one
>> point
>> as regulars on this list.  Thus, while I could be wrong, my guess is that
>> a
>> fair number of us know about stuff going on that the rest don't.  There is
>> so
>> much shit going on and this list used to be a great resource for
>> allocating all
>> that information, largely due to the diverse amount of people who wanted
>> to
>> share info.
>>
>> I could also be mistaken here, but I just don't believe there are too many
>> of
>> the old problem children left bothering with e-mail lists, as most of the
>> dipshits abandoned lists to go to web boards a long time ago.  Lists
>> are boring
>> after all. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
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No, I am from Tribeca. I like to meet up with people on lists in parks and sit on the grass with just my shorts on -- want to meet in person?

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com> wrote:

From: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
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A firefighter from the West Village, right?

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Alex Shtaerman
<ashtaerman@yahoo.com>wrote:

>   You are correct -- not oly am I a flamer, I am also a firefighter
>
> What irony
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/5/08, D. Evan Mulvihill
<d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>*wrote:
>
> From: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
> To: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.org, lowkey@acidgrave.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 11:26 AM
>
>
>  I read the article and I think Alex is more of a flamer than a
*real*troll. Real trolls, like, do big/horrible shit to random people on the
> internet, instead of engaging in petty flame wars. That's not to say
trolls
> wouldn't engage in flame wars but that flaming is a small part of the
larger
> phenomenon of trolling, and can stand on its own.
>
> Wow, I sound douchey there.
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>> Actually there was an interesting article in the nyt (sunday mag I
>> beleive) this past weekend, all about trolls, /b/, encyclopedia
dramatica
>> etc.  worth a read if you're bored
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org; lowkey@acidgrave.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:21:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>>
>> Dude, I generated the most traffic in years  -- you said it yourself
>>
>> Please address me by my proper title -- "The List Traffic
Generator" --
>> "troll" is so 2002, c'mon, get with the times --- plus
if I was boring, it
>> wouldn't generate so much traffic. I am an exciting vibrant
individual, just
>> accept it and move forward in a positive manner
>>
>> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>
wrote:
>>
>> From: lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Active Cities
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 8:00 PM
>>
>> Quoting Hugh Incrie <meatsock@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > you steal AOL service? TOS'd!
>>
>> I could be wrong, but I blieve they allowed old e-mail addresses to go
>> public,
>> even if you're not using the service anymore a few years ago
>>
>> Either way, boring trolling from Alex aside, Maria's straight. 
I've
>> butted
>> heads with her enough times myself over the net.  She just some times
gets
>> caught up in it in a way that gets too noisey which I think I can
>> safely say we
>> all have. ;)
>>
>> Additionally, let's start posting some more event information
here.  Just
>> from
>> the small number of people I saw get involved in this trolling from
>> Alex, which
>> sadly generated the most traffic I can remember over this list in
maybe
>> 5-6
>> years, I'm completely disconnected from most of the people I knew
at one
>> point
>> as regulars on this list.  Thus, while I could be wrong, my guess is
that
>> a
>> fair number of us know about stuff going on that the rest don't. 
There is
>> so
>> much shit going on and this list used to be a great resource for
>> allocating all
>> that information, largely due to the diverse amount of people who
wanted
>> to
>> share info.
>>
>> I could also be mistaken here, but I just don't believe there are
too many
>> of
>> the old problem children left bothering with e-mail lists, as most of
the
>> dipshits abandoned lists to go to web boards a long time ago.  Lists
>> are boring
>> after all. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>>
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--- On Tue, 8/5/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:

> Quoting The Work It Circuit
> <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>:
> 
> > I'm kind of reluctant to post events since I'm
> not always sure how legal
> > they are.  And to solidify this point, I was nearly
> arrested last year at a
> > party, and unfortunately many others were.  Another
> event more recently was
> 
> can't attend any outlaws.  However, for parties getting
> shut down that simply
> don't have permits, I'd be highly skeptical that
> this list would have anything
> to do with it.  I've been to a handful of those and,
> every time, it had to do
> with people either not giving the cops their graft or noise
> complaints, not
> internet promotion.

I totally agree. Rubulad and Danger have always been outlaws as far as I know. And though they have been busted on different occasions it usually was when things got too out of hand for the police to look the other way like when too many complaints about drunks pissing in the street come in. Everyone just wants their slice of the pie and there are a couple of ways to essentially legally bribe. This list is positively puny and I don't see the evidence to demonize it. The two parties above post on the two biggest public listserves in NYC (non-sense and NY Happenings) and don't get busted which seems to dispel the old belief that police are lurking on rave lists. That's just inefficient. It's already come out that ISPs are working hand in hand using super computers to monitor internet traffic. And even then they're probably looking for bigger fish to fry.


      

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fyi, really nice piece on Paul van Dyk as part of CNN series My City, My
Life:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/06/25/vandyk.bio/index.html

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I'm not worried about parties getting busted because they've been posted
here.  I'm worried that some may be naive and think that parties in general
are legal and legit and the next thing they know they're in handcuffs.
Maybe everyone does realize that not all parties are club events? I don't
know.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Spurty <spurty_brown@yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
>
> > Quoting The Work It Circuit
> > <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > I'm kind of reluctant to post events since I'm
> > not always sure how legal
> > > they are.  And to solidify this point, I was nearly
> > arrested last year at a
> > > party, and unfortunately many others were.  Another
> > event more recently was
> >
> > can't attend any outlaws.  However, for parties getting
> > shut down that simply
> > don't have permits, I'd be highly skeptical that
> > this list would have anything
> > to do with it.  I've been to a handful of those and,
> > every time, it had to do
> > with people either not giving the cops their graft or noise
> > complaints, not
> > internet promotion.
>
> I totally agree. Rubulad and Danger have always been outlaws as far as I
> know. And though they have been busted on different occasions it usually was
> when things got too out of hand for the police to look the other way like
> when too many complaints about drunks pissing in the street come in.
> Everyone just wants their slice of the pie and there are a couple of ways to
> essentially legally bribe. This list is positively puny and I don't see the
> evidence to demonize it. The two parties above post on the two biggest
> public listserves in NYC (non-sense and NY Happenings) and don't get busted
> which seems to dispel the old belief that police are lurking on rave lists.
> That's just inefficient. It's already come out that ISPs are working hand in
> hand using super computers to monitor internet traffic. And even then
> they're probably looking for bigger fish to fry.
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:

> code for "if you are not a structure that supplies
> many housing units 
> which can
> increase the tax base, you are out of here as soon as we
> find a taker for your
> land."  The club was not there first.  It's
> relatively new.

I was there a few weeks ago and took special note of what was in the area after reading that there were numerous complaints about noise that got the place shuttered the first time around. First, there is nothing but warehouses that are in full swing well into club hours at least from my walk from the Bedford direction. And when I walked across the street and halfway down the block I heard almost zero noise. There is WAY more noise with loaded semis bumping down the crap streets at all times of the night. Maybe there are some houses in there that I missed -- don't know. But I think it's really the super swank high rise condos going up like weeds along the waterfront on Kent and the people and officials associated with them that don't want the club there.


      

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Subject: [ne-raves] Brooklyn, NY - 8/10 Soul Summit Music Festival

Last weekend for classic house and disco with a real nice crowd on a hillsi=
de in Brooklyn. Bring your babies and barbeque.

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, soul summit <info@soulsummitmusic.com> wrote:

August 10
Special Guest Dj Kevin
Hedge(Blaze)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
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All Events Take Place
@ FORT GREENE PARK=A0
3:00pm - 9:00pm
C train to Lafayette Ave
B,M,Q,R train to Dekalb AveOnce again we at
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ce you have shown us We all=A0believe that sharing and helping
others makes our life's a litter better Soul
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PEACE &
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Ive been waiting to make it to one of these all summer, and not I have to d=
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

Am I the only one who never really cared for the space?=0AI always thought =
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b hours at least from my walk from the Bedford direction. And when I walked=
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l times of the night. Maybe there are some houses in there that I missed --=
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

Quoting Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>:

> Am I the only one who never really cared for the space?
> I always thought galapagos was a much cooler place to go hear someone 
> play, esp when the big room was open.

I like Galapagos a lot too.  Just wish they had a split for a dedicated
projector in the pool room.  Would look very cool having visuals in the
reflecting pool.  I enjoyed Studio B though too.  They had a better
soundsystem.  Plus, if you hadn't been there in maybe the past month or 
so, the
new roof section was really nice.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

yeah havent seen that roofdeck.  

So, while we are all still feeling nostalgic, we should pick a weekend night one week and get some drinks.  Belgians and beats.

fs



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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

Quoting Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>:

> Am I the only one who never really cared for the space?
> I always thought galapagos was a much cooler place to go hear someone 
> play, esp when the big room was open.

I like Galapagos a lot too.  Just wish they had a split for a dedicated
projector in the pool room.  Would look very cool having visuals in the
reflecting pool.  I enjoyed Studio B though too.  They had a better
soundsystem.  Plus, if you hadn't been there in maybe the past month or 
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new roof section was really nice.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed

Welcome to living in a major city?

On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:28 PM, distort909@aol.com wrote:

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> It was onl;y a matter of time....... maybe if the partie kids had  
> more respect for their surroundings things like this would not  
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> Shitty news.?
> ?
> http://brooklynpaper.com/stories/31/31/31_31_ml_studio_b_update.html?
> ?
> -- Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]?
> http://www.septiknexus.com?
> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75?
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True, whenever I'm in a major city I make it a point to pee on some stoops.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Tom <tzeentch@gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome to living in a major city?
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:28 PM, distort909@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>> It was onl;y a matter of time....... maybe if the partie kids had more
>> respect for their surroundings things like this would not
>> happen............... I know if i was a home owner & one of the patrons used
>> my stoop as a bathroom i would be really pissed off as well............
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lowkey@acidgrave.com
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Sent: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:15 am
>> Subject: [ne-raves] Studio B [Temporarilly?] Closed
>>
>>
>> Shitty news.?
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>> http://brooklynpaper.com/stories/31/31/31_31_ml_studio_b_update.html?
>> ?
>> -- Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]?
>> http://www.septiknexus.com?
>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75?
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Subject: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

Discussion on the list?  Really?  How about that.  Introductions are
in order, I think.

Frank aka DJ Count Zer0 here, originally subscribed in 1994, arrived
here via vrave and the pb-cle-raves list, spun at the first ne-raves
net party Mosaic, close personal friend of Dr. Jesus, former list
admin, yadda yadda yadda  ;) Ok, enough name dropping.  Unsubbed
sometime in early 2000s, 2001 I think, due to change in personal focus
and lack of discussion or at least low signal to noise ratio on the
list.  Arrived back here late last year primarily to observe the state
of the list.  Not exactly sure why we're talking about BTS and dust
bunnies, not paying close attention but assume somebody is just
reposting flamewars from the mid 90s.  Interesting seeing these same
myths/memes rolling around 14 years later.  14 years!!!

Anyway, if you like the techno rave music I've got an archive of my dj
mixes dating back to 1996 and a (relatively) up to date blog online:

mixes available here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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enjoy! feedback and bookings and friendship welcome.  :)

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:14 PM, DJ Entropy <djentropy@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> wrote:
>
>> Discussion on the list?  Really?  How about that.  Introductions are
>> in order, I think.
>>
>> Frank aka DJ Count Zer0 here, originally subscribed in 1994, arrived
>> here via vrave and the pb-cle-raves list, spun at the first ne-raves
>> net party Mosaic, close personal friend of Dr. Jesus, former list
>> admin, yadda yadda yadda  ;) Ok, enough name dropping.  Unsubbed
>> sometime in early 2000s, 2001 I think, due to change in personal focus
>> and lack of discussion or at least low signal to noise ratio on the
>> list.  Arrived back here late last year primarily to observe the state
>> of the list.  Not exactly sure why we're talking about BTS and dust
>> bunnies, not paying close attention but assume somebody is just
>> reposting flamewars from the mid 90s.  Interesting seeing these same
>> myths/memes rolling around 14 years later.  14 years!!!
>>
>> Anyway, if you like the techno rave music I've got an archive of my dj
>> mixes dating back to 1996 and a (relatively) up to date blog online:
>>
>> mixes available here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>> blog here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com/blog
>>
>> enjoy! feedback and bookings and friendship welcome.  :)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ---------------
> DJ Entropy
> America's #1 Hardcore DJ/producer
> http://www.djentropy.com
> http://livejournal.com/users/djentropy
> http://www.myspace.com/djentropy
>
> "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and
> the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever
> be encouraged." - Articles of Confederation, 1787
>



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Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:

> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??

Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of douchebaggry 
did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off his drama for 
him.

-- 
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my  
reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong either.

Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.   
Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it  
as eloquently as he did.

-Josh

On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:

> Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
>
>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>
> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of  
> douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off  
> his drama for him.
>
> -- 
> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
> http://www.septiknexus.com
> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>
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How is Dr. Jesus?  Any chance he'll ever come back?  Even if it's just to
say hi?

I'm Ken aka JungleBoogieMonster aka Kandy Kid Kenny.  I have no idea when I
subbed, but it was a long time ago.  I originally took interest in the rave
scene after reading a Time article on the cyberpunk movement back in 91 or
92, although I took interest in the scene then, it was years before I'd get
the opportunity to attend a rave.  In the mean time I was on a endless
search for electronic music.

Although I've been aroung the scene for awhile I never had interest in
DJing, promoting or anything liek that.  As I always saw it, the fun was in
teh partying so I stuck with that.  Since I'm getting older I don't really
make it out much anymore.  I'll still hit up Starscape in Baltimore and was
hitting up Whistle in Philly, but it looks like Whistle might not be
happening again?  I was still hitting up a few other outlaws, one offs,
field parties and the like but after close calls with the law I've decided
to stick with events that are legal.  And I don't bother with clubs anymore.

Geographically I'm located about 1.5 hours west of Philly, 1.5 hours north
of Baltimore and too far from NYC.  I'm also 35.

I also have Entropy filtered for being the biggest tool on the internet.
His shenanigans have done more harm to online lists than any one person
should ever be able to do.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:40 PM, count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>wrote:

> Discussion on the list?  Really?  How about that.  Introductions are
> in order, I think.
>
> Frank aka DJ Count Zer0 here, originally subscribed in 1994, arrived
> here via vrave and the pb-cle-raves list, spun at the first ne-raves
> net party Mosaic, close personal friend of Dr. Jesus, former list
> admin, yadda yadda yadda  ;) Ok, enough name dropping.  Unsubbed
> sometime in early 2000s, 2001 I think, due to change in personal focus
> and lack of discussion or at least low signal to noise ratio on the
> list.  Arrived back here late last year primarily to observe the state
> of the list.  Not exactly sure why we're talking about BTS and dust
> bunnies, not paying close attention but assume somebody is just
> reposting flamewars from the mid 90s.  Interesting seeing these same
> myths/memes rolling around 14 years later.  14 years!!!
>
> Anyway, if you like the techno rave music I've got an archive of my dj
> mixes dating back to 1996 and a (relatively) up to date blog online:
>
> mixes available here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
> blog here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com/blog
>
> enjoy! feedback and bookings and friendship welcome.  :)
>
> --
> peace,
>
> frank . count zero
>
> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>
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From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
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See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my =20
reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong either.

Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.  =20
Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it =20
as eloquently as he did.

-Josh

On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:

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>
>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>
> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of =20
> douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off =20
> his drama for him.
>
> --=20
> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
> http://www.septiknexus.com
> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>
>
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I'm Evan from NYC. I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in Toronto
or Montreal. I have stayed on list for some reason despite the hostility to
happy hardcore events or anything that is newish and not harkening back to
the "old days." I mean, I understand that the above-ground scene has become
a commercial plasticfest but I think it's still kinda fun. I like gabber,
trance, and hardstyle in addition to hardcore.

Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he was choked
to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different story, same ending
though right?

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> DJ Entropy invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind, the very
> mention of him is devestating as he was killed in a disturbing car crash
> just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ Entropy. Man, those were the
> days.
>
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
> To: lowkey@acidgrave.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
>
> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my
> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong either.
>
> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.
> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it
> as eloquently as he did.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>
> > Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
> >
> > Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of
> > douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off
> > his drama for him.
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.septiknexus.com
> > http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
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Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm an alcoholic.  Actually, no, I'm not.  I  
live in Philly, have been on the list since '96, and am proudly  
hostile to happy hardcore events.  Although I will admit that I almost  
got dragged to a Hullabaloo party once.  Divine providence saved me  
(aka our car died).

And I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too far with  
an autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.

-Josh

On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:

> I'm Evan from NYC. I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in  
> Toronto or Montreal. I have stayed on list for some reason despite  
> the hostility to happy hardcore events or anything that is newish  
> and not harkening back to the "old days." I mean, I understand that  
> the above-ground scene has become a commercial plasticfest but I  
> think it's still kinda fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in  
> addition to hardcore.
>
> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he was  
> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different  
> story, same ending though right?
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Alex Shtaerman  
> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> DJ Entropy invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,  
> the very mention of him is devestating as he was killed in a  
> disturbing car crash just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ  
> Entropy. Man, those were the days.
>
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
> To: lowkey@acidgrave.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
>
> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my
> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong  
> either.
>
> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.
> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it
> as eloquently as he did.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>
> > Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
> >
> > Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of
> > douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off
> > his drama for him.
> >
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> > http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
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Hi I'm meatsock, and i think i'm the only one representing north
central ct around here.

I came to ne-raves via vrave via spacebar via club wired via a strong
desire to learn about and participate in temporary-autonomous-zone
based subculture.

I have a radio show friday evenings on WHUS FM (whus.org, 91.7 FM in
storrs) that you have, by virtue of reading this message, an open
invitation to spin at. come to uconn, play me records!

i don't have any names to drop but i did have thomas dolby on my radio show.

oh and the usual computer-nerd crap about producing, djing, and
fetishizing analog gear apply here too.

i believe dj entropy has a vested interest in creating divisiveness in
the  underground community and ignore him as such. i'm continually
surprised when his proclamations of allegiance to establishment
rhetoric get people so fired up!

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:40 AM, count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com> wrote:
> Discussion on the list?  Really?  How about that.  Introductions are
> in order, I think.
>
> Frank aka DJ Count Zer0 here, originally subscribed in 1994, arrived
> here via vrave and the pb-cle-raves list, spun at the first ne-raves
> net party Mosaic, close personal friend of Dr. Jesus, former list
> admin, yadda yadda yadda  ;) Ok, enough name dropping.  Unsubbed
> sometime in early 2000s, 2001 I think, due to change in personal focus
> and lack of discussion or at least low signal to noise ratio on the
> list.  Arrived back here late last year primarily to observe the state
> of the list.  Not exactly sure why we're talking about BTS and dust
> bunnies, not paying close attention but assume somebody is just
> reposting flamewars from the mid 90s.  Interesting seeing these same
> myths/memes rolling around 14 years later.  14 years!!!
>
> Anyway, if you like the techno rave music I've got an archive of my dj
> mixes dating back to 1996 and a (relatively) up to date blog online:
>
> mixes available here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
> blog here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com/blog
>
> enjoy! feedback and bookings and friendship welcome.  :)
>
> --
> peace,
>
> frank . count zero
>
> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>
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Hi.  I'm Sridhar.  I'm from Poughkeepsie, NY, but I've partied 
everywhere from Montreal to Washington and everywhere in between.  Much 
less so nowadays.  I also arrived via vrave (where I was Schroeder).

I don't DJ, but at one time, I was in some demand as a funky-visuals 
artist.  My stage name was Tripp Kinetics.  I still do it once in a 
while, but no longer for money.

Peace...  Sridhar

Hugh Incrie wrote:
> Hi I'm meatsock, and i think i'm the only one representing north
> central ct around here.
> 
> I came to ne-raves via vrave via spacebar via club wired via a strong
> desire to learn about and participate in temporary-autonomous-zone
> based subculture.
> 
> I have a radio show friday evenings on WHUS FM (whus.org, 91.7 FM in
> storrs) that you have, by virtue of reading this message, an open
> invitation to spin at. come to uconn, play me records!
> 
> i don't have any names to drop but i did have thomas dolby on my radio show.
> 
> oh and the usual computer-nerd crap about producing, djing, and
> fetishizing analog gear apply here too.
> 
> i believe dj entropy has a vested interest in creating divisiveness in
> the  underground community and ignore him as such. i'm continually
> surprised when his proclamations of allegiance to establishment
> rhetoric get people so fired up!
> 
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:40 AM, count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Discussion on the list?  Really?  How about that.  Introductions are
>> in order, I think.
>>
>> Frank aka DJ Count Zer0 here, originally subscribed in 1994, arrived
>> here via vrave and the pb-cle-raves list, spun at the first ne-raves
>> net party Mosaic, close personal friend of Dr. Jesus, former list
>> admin, yadda yadda yadda  ;) Ok, enough name dropping.  Unsubbed
>> sometime in early 2000s, 2001 I think, due to change in personal focus
>> and lack of discussion or at least low signal to noise ratio on the
>> list.  Arrived back here late last year primarily to observe the state
>> of the list.  Not exactly sure why we're talking about BTS and dust
>> bunnies, not paying close attention but assume somebody is just
>> reposting flamewars from the mid 90s.  Interesting seeing these same
>> myths/memes rolling around 14 years later.  14 years!!!
>>
>> Anyway, if you like the techno rave music I've got an archive of my dj
>> mixes dating back to 1996 and a (relatively) up to date blog online:
>>
>> mixes available here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>> blog here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com/blog
>>
>> enjoy! feedback and bookings and friendship welcome.  :)
>>
>> --
>> peace,
>>
>> frank . count zero
>>
>> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

My name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.=A0 Was also a =
fan of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was known as phllystyl, =
and was on EFnet's #rave for many years as well.=A0 Fell off early 2000s as=
 email accounts changed and my rogue boxen was finally shut down.=A0 Decide=
d to resub a few years back.=A0 =0AWas once upon a time a dj, mostly house,=
 though over the years my collection has expanded to include some disco, al=
ot of ninjatune, some hospital records dnb, and a fair shake of old school =
hiphop.=A0 All of this makes it even more depressing that with exception of=
 an annual bday party and an occasional loft party in BK, I'm pretty much t=
he only person who gets to hear my record collection these days due to my h=
ours at work.=A0 In spite of this, I've been really into the b-more/philly =
sound these days, and would like to start playing more bmore club, and mad =
decent is my current fav record label.=0AI hope this increased traffic keep=
s up, the next 10 months of my life are going to be a bit more relaxed, and=
 it would be fun to have a list to chat on and maybe even try to get out ag=
ain from time to time.=0A-fs=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom:=
 Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>=0ATo: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvih=
ill@gmail.com>=0ACc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; lowkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@h=
yperreal.org=0ASent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:57:17 PM=0ASubject: Re: [n=
e-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...=0A=0AHi, my name is Jo=
sh, and I'm an alcoholic.=A0 Actually, no, I'm not.=A0 I=A0 =0Alive in Phil=
ly, have been on the list since '96, and am proudly=A0 =0Ahostile to happy =
hardcore events.=A0 Although I will admit that I almost=A0 =0Agot dragged t=
o a Hullabaloo party once.=A0 Divine providence saved me=A0 =0A(aka our car=
 died).=0A=0AAnd I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too =
far with=A0 =0Aan autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.=0A=0A-Josh=0A=0AOn A=
ug 6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:=0A=0A> I'm Evan from NYC. =
I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in=A0 =0A> Toronto or Montre=
al. I have stayed on list for some reason despite=A0 =0A> the hostility to =
happy hardcore events or anything that is newish=A0 =0A> and not harkening =
back to the "old days." I mean, I understand that=A0 =0A> the above-ground =
scene has become a commercial plasticfest but I=A0 =0A> think it's still ki=
nda fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in=A0 =0A> addition to hardco=
re.=0A>=0A> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he=
 was=A0 =0A> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different=
=A0 =0A> story, same ending though right?=0A>=0A> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:=
23 PM, Alex Shtaerman=A0 =0A> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A> DJ Entropy =
invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,=A0 =0A> the very me=
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Any party or club setting is good with me.

I am on the DCRAVES mailing list, and went to a few of their gatherings down
there.  Mixed results because I am quiet and reserved unless drunk or with
people I know well.  Their are some good afterparties at smaller clubs in
DC.  My wife's gonna be done being pregnant at the beginning of september
and she hasn't gone out in 9 months.  Can anyone recommend a big legal show
for halloween in manhattan?

Should I just try the websites listed above?

-Thanks

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However, mark your calender for Friday, October 31st for a
street party / masquerade / full-on return of the renegade parade
(that's Halloween night & yes it's this year's "Night of Fire".)

For a hint of the magic and mayhem of our last 12 hour all
night (and all morning) adventure, see the new video from
The New Pop: http://www.thenewpop.com/nyc-details.php?cid=271




James Sheridan wrote:
> Any party or club setting is good with me.
>
> I am on the DCRAVES mailing list, and went to a few of their gatherings down
> there.  Mixed results because I am quiet and reserved unless drunk or with
> people I know well.  Their are some good afterparties at smaller clubs in
> DC.  My wife's gonna be done being pregnant at the beginning of september
> and she hasn't gone out in 9 months.  Can anyone recommend a big legal show
> for halloween in manhattan?
>
> Should I just try the websites listed above?
>
> -Thanks
>
>   

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Are there any live drum and bass bands that perform in the NY area?

I am new to NY from Seattle.

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wow he died.................. no wonder why he hasn't harassed me in a  
while. 
 
and he played uk hardcore not hardcore.  Hardcore Died with Nicky  Fingers  
but then again you know this & just want to start another  flame war.........



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Yea, I do know it -- if you had a dollar for every time you mentioned Nicky=
 Fingers you would be living on a houseboat in florida=20
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btw, if you still have some of those records, as you claim, although I am s=
omewhat reluctant to believe you -- you know where you can get money for th=
em -- better sell that shit quick before it's not worth shit --- just tryin=
g to help you out financially ... wanna know who really got the power? Brin=
g your punk ass to the tower (got that one?)

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Good Day to all My Name is Maria 909 in a past incarnation they called me  
maria hardcore. I do not know when i came to the list but it was some time in  
the 90's. I have been promoting & working in the brooklyn NYC scene  since 1990 
& avid music collector since before that............. Hardcore  & techno are 
my true loves in life but i like it all as long as its  good........... I have 
worked For all of the Peter Gatien clubs and promoted  most all the raves in 
the area. 
 
Unfortunately i am hostile towards the candy parties :)   
sorry..................... 
 
I recently went back to school to get my degree in broadcasting mass media  & 
am the music director of my college radio station 90.3 wkrb _www.wkrb.org_ 
(http://www.wkrb.org)  and have my own show Thursdays @ 10  pm or when ever the 
cyclones game is over. 
 
I think i will always be involved with music even tho TECHNO OWES ME MONEY!  
:)
 
Nice to meet all of you. 



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WTF would i sell his records? and to strangers?  They mean more to me  then 
money & im not financially hurting thank  you.



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Ok - if you want to sell them you know where I am (it wouldn't be to strang=
er(s) - I would=A0be a single stranger)=A0=A0- money makes people do funny =
things sometimes -- like, lets see, promote corny parties, book wack DJs, l=
ie to partygoers etc...=A0 And on top of it all you still haven't figured o=
ut how to block me

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To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com, ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 6:07 PM

WTF would i sell his records? and to strangers?  They mean more to me  then=
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

Dean.  Pittsburgh, with a heavy dose of experience in DC.  I fell onto  
this list after awhile on DCR and PbCle.  I promoted about eight years  
ago, and took shit for having some happy hardcore at every event.   
Good times.  :-)

Lately, I keep falling farther towards the burner scene, and farther  
from what's calling itself rave.  Dunno.  The merge point between  
those two scenes is either great, or where trance went to die,  
depending on which day of the week you take a look.

-D


On Aug 6, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:

>
> Hi.  I'm Sridhar.  I'm from Poughkeepsie, NY, but I've partied  
> everywhere from Montreal to Washington and everywhere in between.   
> Much less so nowadays.  I also arrived via vrave (where I was  
> Schroeder).
>
> I don't DJ, but at one time, I was in some demand as a funky-visuals  
> artist.  My stage name was Tripp Kinetics.  I still do it once in a  
> while, but no longer for money.
>
> Peace...  Sridhar
>
> Hugh Incrie wrote:
>> Hi I'm meatsock, and i think i'm the only one representing north
>> central ct around here.
>> I came to ne-raves via vrave via spacebar via club wired via a strong
>> desire to learn about and participate in temporary-autonomous-zone
>> based subculture.
>> I have a radio show friday evenings on WHUS FM (whus.org, 91.7 FM in
>> storrs) that you have, by virtue of reading this message, an open
>> invitation to spin at. come to uconn, play me records!
>> i don't have any names to drop but i did have thomas dolby on my  
>> radio show.
>> oh and the usual computer-nerd crap about producing, djing, and
>> fetishizing analog gear apply here too.
>> i believe dj entropy has a vested interest in creating divisiveness  
>> in
>> the  underground community and ignore him as such. i'm continually
>> surprised when his proclamations of allegiance to establishment
>> rhetoric get people so fired up!
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:40 AM, count zero  
>> <deejaycountzero@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Discussion on the list?  Really?  How about that.  Introductions are
>>> in order, I think.
>>>
>>> Frank aka DJ Count Zer0 here, originally subscribed in 1994, arrived
>>> here via vrave and the pb-cle-raves list, spun at the first ne-raves
>>> net party Mosaic, close personal friend of Dr. Jesus, former list
>>> admin, yadda yadda yadda  ;) Ok, enough name dropping.  Unsubbed
>>> sometime in early 2000s, 2001 I think, due to change in personal  
>>> focus
>>> and lack of discussion or at least low signal to noise ratio on the
>>> list.  Arrived back here late last year primarily to observe the  
>>> state
>>> of the list.  Not exactly sure why we're talking about BTS and dust
>>> bunnies, not paying close attention but assume somebody is just
>>> reposting flamewars from the mid 90s.  Interesting seeing these same
>>> myths/memes rolling around 14 years later.  14 years!!!
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you like the techno rave music I've got an archive of  
>>> my dj
>>> mixes dating back to 1996 and a (relatively) up to date blog online:
>>>
>>> mixes available here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>>> blog here: http://www.deejaycountzero.com/blog
>>>
>>> enjoy! feedback and bookings and friendship welcome.  :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> peace,
>>>
>>> frank . count zero
>>>
>>> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>>>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

OH and one more thing:=0AI know its lame, but I use fb alot.=A0 email me if=
 anyone else is on fb :)=A0 I use a different email accnt for it.=0A=0A=0A=
=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>=0A=
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org=0ASent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:27:51 PM=0AS=
ubject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...=0A=0AMy =
name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.=A0 Was also a fan=
 of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was known as phllystyl, and=
 was on EFnet's #rave for many years as well.=A0 Fell off early 2000s as em=
ail accounts changed and my rogue boxen was finally shut down.=A0 Decided t=
o resub a few years back.=A0 =0AWas once upon a time a dj, mostly house, th=
ough over the years my collection has expanded to include some disco, alot =
of ninjatune, some hospital records dnb, and a fair shake of old school hip=
hop.=A0 All of this makes it even more depressing that with exception of an=
 annual bday party and an occasional loft party in BK, I'm pretty much the =
only person who gets to hear my record collection these days due to my hour=
s at work.=A0 In spite of this, I've been really into the b-more/philly sou=
nd these days, and would like to start playing more bmore club, and mad dec=
ent is my current fav record label.=0AI hope this increased traffic keeps u=
p, the next 10 months of my life are going to be a bit more relaxed, and it=
 would be fun to have a list to chat on and maybe even try to get out again=
 from time to time.=0A-fs=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jo=
shua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>=0ATo: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill=
@gmail.com>=0ACc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; lowkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@hype=
rreal.org=0ASent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:57:17 PM=0ASubject: Re: [ne-r=
aves] well, since everybody's paying attention...=0A=0AHi, my name is Josh,=
 and I'm an alcoholic.=A0 Actually, no, I'm not.=A0 I=A0 =0Alive in Philly,=
 have been on the list since '96, and am proudly=A0 =0Ahostile to happy har=
dcore events.=A0 Although I will admit that I almost=A0 =0Agot dragged to a=
 Hullabaloo party once.=A0 Divine providence saved me=A0 =0A(aka our car di=
ed).=0A=0AAnd I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too far=
 with=A0 =0Aan autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.=0A=0A-Josh=0A=0AOn Aug =
6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:=0A=0A> I'm Evan from NYC. I g=
o to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in=A0 =0A> Toronto or Montreal.=
 I have stayed on list for some reason despite=A0 =0A> the hostility to hap=
py hardcore events or anything that is newish=A0 =0A> and not harkening bac=
k to the "old days." I mean, I understand that=A0 =0A> the above-ground sce=
ne has become a commercial plasticfest but I=A0 =0A> think it's still kinda=
 fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in=A0 =0A> addition to hardcore.=
=0A>=0A> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he wa=
s=A0 =0A> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different=A0=
 =0A> story, same ending though right?=0A>=0A> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 =
PM, Alex Shtaerman=A0 =0A> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A> DJ Entropy inv=
ented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,=A0 =0A> the very menti=
on of him is devestating as he was killed in a=A0 =0A> disturbing car crash=
 just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ=A0 =0A> Entropy. Man, those wer=
e the days.=0A>=0A> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>=
 wrote:=0A>=0A> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>=0A> Subject: Re: =
[ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...=0A> To: lowkey@acidg=
rave.com=0A> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org=0A> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008=
, 10:52 AM=0A>=0A> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.=A0=
 And since my=0A> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.=A0 But you're n=
ot wrong=A0 =0A> either.=0A>=0A> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that=
 one after all these years.=0A> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'l=
l never be able to word it=0A> as eloquently as he did.=0A>=0A> -Josh=0A>=
=0A> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:=0A>=0A> > Quo=
ting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:=0A> >=0A> >> isn't skinner (cu=
rrent admin?) a conservative republican??=0A> >=0A> > Yep.=A0 Politics don'=
t get you banned.=A0 Crossing the line of=0A> > douchebaggry did. Since the=
 kid can't post here, no need to pass off=0A> > his drama for him.=0A> >=0A=
> > --=0A> > Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]=0A> > http://www.septiknexus.co=
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

HAHA!  You use fb.  Nerd.  What kind of a soulless preteen wannabe  
uses that shit?  Geigh!

-Josh

On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Frank Scott wrote:

> OH and one more thing:
> I know its lame, but I use fb alot.  email me if anyone else is on  
> fb :)  I use a different email accnt for it.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:27:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>
> My name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.  Was  
> also a fan of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was known  
> as phllystyl, and was on EFnet's #rave for many years as well.  Fell  
> off early 2000s as email accounts changed and my rogue boxen was  
> finally shut down.  Decided to resub a few years back.
> Was once upon a time a dj, mostly house, though over the years my  
> collection has expanded to include some disco, alot of ninjatune,  
> some hospital records dnb, and a fair shake of old school hiphop.   
> All of this makes it even more depressing that with exception of an  
> annual bday party and an occasional loft party in BK, I'm pretty  
> much the only person who gets to hear my record collection these  
> days due to my hours at work.  In spite of this, I've been really  
> into the b-more/philly sound these days, and would like to start  
> playing more bmore club, and mad decent is my current fav record  
> label.
> I hope this increased traffic keeps up, the next 10 months of my  
> life are going to be a bit more relaxed, and it would be fun to have  
> a list to chat on and maybe even try to get out again from time to  
> time.
> -fs
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
> To: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; lowkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:57:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>
> Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm an alcoholic.  Actually, no, I'm not.  I
> live in Philly, have been on the list since '96, and am proudly
> hostile to happy hardcore events.  Although I will admit that I almost
> got dragged to a Hullabaloo party once.  Divine providence saved me
> (aka our car died).
>
> And I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too far with
> an autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:
>
>> I'm Evan from NYC. I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in
>> Toronto or Montreal. I have stayed on list for some reason despite
>> the hostility to happy hardcore events or anything that is newish
>> and not harkening back to the "old days." I mean, I understand that
>> the above-ground scene has become a commercial plasticfest but I
>> think it's still kinda fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in
>> addition to hardcore.
>>
>> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he was
>> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different
>> story, same ending though right?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Alex Shtaerman
>> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> DJ Entropy invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,
>> the very mention of him is devestating as he was killed in a
>> disturbing car crash just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ
>> Entropy. Man, those were the days.
>>
>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>> To: lowkey@acidgrave.com
>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
>>
>> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my
>> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong
>> either.
>>
>> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.
>> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it
>> as eloquently as he did.
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>>>
>>> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of
>>> douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off
>>> his drama for him.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>>>
>>>
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Gawker much?

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:

> HAHA!  You use fb.  Nerd.  What kind of a soulless preteen wannabe uses
> that shit?  Geigh!
>
> -Josh
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Frank Scott wrote:
>
> OH and one more thing:
>> I know its lame, but I use fb alot.  email me if anyone else is on fb :)
>>  I use a different email accnt for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:27:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>
>> My name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.  Was also a
>> fan of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was known as phllystyl,
>> and was on EFnet's #rave for many years as well.  Fell off early 2000s as
>> email accounts changed and my rogue boxen was finally shut down.  Decided to
>> resub a few years back.
>> Was once upon a time a dj, mostly house, though over the years my
>> collection has expanded to include some disco, alot of ninjatune, some
>> hospital records dnb, and a fair shake of old school hiphop.  All of this
>> makes it even more depressing that with exception of an annual bday party
>> and an occasional loft party in BK, I'm pretty much the only person who gets
>> to hear my record collection these days due to my hours at work.  In spite
>> of this, I've been really into the b-more/philly sound these days, and would
>> like to start playing more bmore club, and mad decent is my current fav
>> record label.
>> I hope this increased traffic keeps up, the next 10 months of my life are
>> going to be a bit more relaxed, and it would be fun to have a list to chat
>> on and maybe even try to get out again from time to time.
>> -fs
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>> To: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
>> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; lowkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:57:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>
>> Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm an alcoholic.  Actually, no, I'm not.  I
>> live in Philly, have been on the list since '96, and am proudly
>> hostile to happy hardcore events.  Although I will admit that I almost
>> got dragged to a Hullabaloo party once.  Divine providence saved me
>> (aka our car died).
>>
>> And I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too far with
>> an autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:
>>
>> I'm Evan from NYC. I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in
>>> Toronto or Montreal. I have stayed on list for some reason despite
>>> the hostility to happy hardcore events or anything that is newish
>>> and not harkening back to the "old days." I mean, I understand that
>>> the above-ground scene has become a commercial plasticfest but I
>>> think it's still kinda fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in
>>> addition to hardcore.
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he was
>>> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different
>>> story, same ending though right?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Alex Shtaerman
>>> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> DJ Entropy invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,
>>> the very mention of him is devestating as he was killed in a
>>> disturbing car crash just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ
>>> Entropy. Man, those were the days.
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>> To: lowkey@acidgrave.com
>>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
>>>
>>> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my
>>> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong
>>> either.
>>>
>>> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.
>>> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it
>>> as eloquently as he did.
>>>
>>> -Josh
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of
>>>> douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off
>>>> his drama for him.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>>>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>>>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>>>>
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Hahahah he's on fb too.=A0 Don't let him fool you.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Origina=
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>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:27:51 =
PM=0A>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...=
=0A>>=0A>> My name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.=A0 =
Was also a=0A>> fan of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was know=
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s my current fav=0A>> record label.=0A>> I hope this increased traffic keep=
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get out again from time to time.=0A>> -fs=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> ----- Origina=
l Message ----=0A>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>=0A>> To: D. E=
van Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>=0A>> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; l=
owkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@hyperreal.org=0A>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6,=
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

Of course I am.  I'm friends with Dr. Jesus!

And I understood (but disagreed with) the "college" comment, but the  
"Gawker much?" one went right over my head.  I figured it would be  
slightly obvious by my reaction that, of course, I was on fb too.   
Alas....

-Josh


On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Frank Scott wrote:

> Hahahah he's on fb too.  Don't let him fool you.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
> To: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
> Cc: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 11:01:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>
> Gawker much?
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> HAHA!  You use fb.  Nerd.  What kind of a soulless preteen wannabe  
>> uses
>> that shit?  Geigh!
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Frank Scott wrote:
>>
>> OH and one more thing:
>>> I know its lame, but I use fb alot.  email me if anyone else is on  
>>> fb :)
>>>   I use a different email accnt for it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
>>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:27:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>
>>> My name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.  Was  
>>> also a
>>> fan of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was known as  
>>> phllystyl,
>>> and was on EFnet's #rave for many years as well.  Fell off early  
>>> 2000s as
>>> email accounts changed and my rogue boxen was finally shut down.   
>>> Decided to
>>> resub a few years back.
>>> Was once upon a time a dj, mostly house, though over the years my
>>> collection has expanded to include some disco, alot of ninjatune,  
>>> some
>>> hospital records dnb, and a fair shake of old school hiphop.  All  
>>> of this
>>> makes it even more depressing that with exception of an annual  
>>> bday party
>>> and an occasional loft party in BK, I'm pretty much the only  
>>> person who gets
>>> to hear my record collection these days due to my hours at work.   
>>> In spite
>>> of this, I've been really into the b-more/philly sound these days,  
>>> and would
>>> like to start playing more bmore club, and mad decent is my  
>>> current fav
>>> record label.
>>> I hope this increased traffic keeps up, the next 10 months of my  
>>> life are
>>> going to be a bit more relaxed, and it would be fun to have a list  
>>> to chat
>>> on and maybe even try to get out again from time to time.
>>> -fs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>> To: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; lowkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:57:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>
>>> Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm an alcoholic.  Actually, no, I'm  
>>> not.  I
>>> live in Philly, have been on the list since '96, and am proudly
>>> hostile to happy hardcore events.  Although I will admit that I  
>>> almost
>>> got dragged to a Hullabaloo party once.  Divine providence saved me
>>> (aka our car died).
>>>
>>> And I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too far  
>>> with
>>> an autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.
>>>
>>> -Josh
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm Evan from NYC. I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in
>>>> Toronto or Montreal. I have stayed on list for some reason despite
>>>> the hostility to happy hardcore events or anything that is newish
>>>> and not harkening back to the "old days." I mean, I understand that
>>>> the above-ground scene has become a commercial plasticfest but I
>>>> think it's still kinda fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in
>>>> addition to hardcore.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he was
>>>> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different
>>>> story, same ending though right?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Alex Shtaerman
>>>> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> DJ Entropy invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,
>>>> the very mention of him is devestating as he was killed in a
>>>> disturbing car crash just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ
>>>> Entropy. Man, those were the days.
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>> To: lowkey@acidgrave.com
>>>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
>>>>
>>>> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my
>>>> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these  
>>>> years.
>>>> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to  
>>>> word it
>>>> as eloquently as he did.
>>>>
>>>> -Josh
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of
>>>>> douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass  
>>>>> off
>>>>> his drama for him.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>>>>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>>>>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
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fb here too.  I really haven't done much with fb since I work at a
university and try to keep my personal life away from the student
population.  But at this point fb isn't really academically focused anymore
and is more like myspace so I've actually been adding people.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course I am.  I'm friends with Dr. Jesus!
>
> And I understood (but disagreed with) the "college" comment, but the
> "Gawker much?" one went right over my head.  I figured it would be slightly
> obvious by my reaction that, of course, I was on fb too.  Alas....
>
> -Josh
>
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Frank Scott wrote:
>
>  Hahahah he's on fb too.  Don't let him fool you.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
>> To: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 11:01:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>
>> Gawker much?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  HAHA!  You use fb.  Nerd.  What kind of a soulless preteen wannabe uses
>>> that shit?  Geigh!
>>>
>>> -Josh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Frank Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> OH and one more thing:
>>>
>>>> I know its lame, but I use fb alot.  email me if anyone else is on fb :)
>>>>  I use a different email accnt for it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
>>>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:27:51 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>>
>>>> My name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.  Was also a
>>>> fan of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was known as
>>>> phllystyl,
>>>> and was on EFnet's #rave for many years as well.  Fell off early 2000s
>>>> as
>>>> email accounts changed and my rogue boxen was finally shut down.
>>>>  Decided to
>>>> resub a few years back.
>>>> Was once upon a time a dj, mostly house, though over the years my
>>>> collection has expanded to include some disco, alot of ninjatune, some
>>>> hospital records dnb, and a fair shake of old school hiphop.  All of
>>>> this
>>>> makes it even more depressing that with exception of an annual bday
>>>> party
>>>> and an occasional loft party in BK, I'm pretty much the only person who
>>>> gets
>>>> to hear my record collection these days due to my hours at work.  In
>>>> spite
>>>> of this, I've been really into the b-more/philly sound these days, and
>>>> would
>>>> like to start playing more bmore club, and mad decent is my current fav
>>>> record label.
>>>> I hope this increased traffic keeps up, the next 10 months of my life
>>>> are
>>>> going to be a bit more relaxed, and it would be fun to have a list to
>>>> chat
>>>> on and maybe even try to get out again from time to time.
>>>> -fs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>>> To: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; lowkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:57:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>>
>>>> Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm an alcoholic.  Actually, no, I'm not.  I
>>>> live in Philly, have been on the list since '96, and am proudly
>>>> hostile to happy hardcore events.  Although I will admit that I almost
>>>> got dragged to a Hullabaloo party once.  Divine providence saved me
>>>> (aka our car died).
>>>>
>>>> And I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too far with
>>>> an autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.
>>>>
>>>> -Josh
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm Evan from NYC. I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in
>>>>
>>>>> Toronto or Montreal. I have stayed on list for some reason despite
>>>>> the hostility to happy hardcore events or anything that is newish
>>>>> and not harkening back to the "old days." I mean, I understand that
>>>>> the above-ground scene has become a commercial plasticfest but I
>>>>> think it's still kinda fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in
>>>>> addition to hardcore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he was
>>>>> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different
>>>>> story, same ending though right?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Alex Shtaerman
>>>>> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> DJ Entropy invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,
>>>>> the very mention of him is devestating as he was killed in a
>>>>> disturbing car crash just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ
>>>>> Entropy. Man, those were the days.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>>> To: lowkey@acidgrave.com
>>>>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my
>>>>> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong
>>>>> either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.
>>>>> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it
>>>>> as eloquently as he did.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Josh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of
>>>>>> douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off
>>>>>> his drama for him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>>>>>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>>>>>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

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I'm on fb, though I untag all party photos of myself and make sure that the
albums I post myself can only be viewed by certain people on my "Rave
Allowed" list. As a wannabe journalist, you can't be too careful.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:27 PM, The Work It Circuit <
jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:

> fb here too.  I really haven't done much with fb since I work at a
> university and try to keep my personal life away from the student
> population.  But at this point fb isn't really academically focused anymore
> and is more like myspace so I've actually been adding people.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Of course I am.  I'm friends with Dr. Jesus!
>>
>> And I understood (but disagreed with) the "college" comment, but the
>> "Gawker much?" one went right over my head.  I figured it would be slightly
>> obvious by my reaction that, of course, I was on fb too.  Alas....
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Frank Scott wrote:
>>
>> Hahahah he's on fb too.  Don't let him fool you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
>>> To: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 11:01:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>
>>> Gawker much?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> HAHA!  You use fb.  Nerd.  What kind of a soulless preteen wannabe uses
>>>> that shit?  Geigh!
>>>>
>>>> -Josh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Frank Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OH and one more thing:
>>>>
>>>>> I know its lame, but I use fb alot.  email me if anyone else is on fb
>>>>> :)
>>>>>  I use a different email accnt for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 5:27:51 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>>>
>>>>> My name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.  Was also
>>>>> a
>>>>> fan of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was known as
>>>>> phllystyl,
>>>>> and was on EFnet's #rave for many years as well.  Fell off early 2000s
>>>>> as
>>>>> email accounts changed and my rogue boxen was finally shut down.
>>>>>  Decided to
>>>>> resub a few years back.
>>>>> Was once upon a time a dj, mostly house, though over the years my
>>>>> collection has expanded to include some disco, alot of ninjatune, some
>>>>> hospital records dnb, and a fair shake of old school hiphop.  All of
>>>>> this
>>>>> makes it even more depressing that with exception of an annual bday
>>>>> party
>>>>> and an occasional loft party in BK, I'm pretty much the only person who
>>>>> gets
>>>>> to hear my record collection these days due to my hours at work.  In
>>>>> spite
>>>>> of this, I've been really into the b-more/philly sound these days, and
>>>>> would
>>>>> like to start playing more bmore club, and mad decent is my current fav
>>>>> record label.
>>>>> I hope this increased traffic keeps up, the next 10 months of my life
>>>>> are
>>>>> going to be a bit more relaxed, and it would be fun to have a list to
>>>>> chat
>>>>> on and maybe even try to get out again from time to time.
>>>>> -fs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; lowkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:57:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm an alcoholic.  Actually, no, I'm not.  I
>>>>> live in Philly, have been on the list since '96, and am proudly
>>>>> hostile to happy hardcore events.  Although I will admit that I almost
>>>>> got dragged to a Hullabaloo party once.  Divine providence saved me
>>>>> (aka our car died).
>>>>>
>>>>> And I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too far with
>>>>> an autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Josh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm Evan from NYC. I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in
>>>>>
>>>>>> Toronto or Montreal. I have stayed on list for some reason despite
>>>>>> the hostility to happy hardcore events or anything that is newish
>>>>>> and not harkening back to the "old days." I mean, I understand that
>>>>>> the above-ground scene has become a commercial plasticfest but I
>>>>>> think it's still kinda fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in
>>>>>> addition to hardcore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he was
>>>>>> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different
>>>>>> story, same ending though right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Alex Shtaerman
>>>>>> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> DJ Entropy invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,
>>>>>> the very mention of him is devestating as he was killed in a
>>>>>> disturbing car crash just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ
>>>>>> Entropy. Man, those were the days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>>>>> To: lowkey@acidgrave.com
>>>>>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my
>>>>>> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.
>>>>>> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it
>>>>>> as eloquently as he did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Josh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of
>>>>>>> douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off
>>>>>>> his drama for him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>>>>>>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>>>>>>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>
>
> --
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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC - Fw: Norwegian Trio Saevik/Brevik/Gunia this Monday

A little chill out if you've partied yourself all weekend and into the work=
 week.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:

> > isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??

No, that'd be me. He passed off adminning here due to lack of interest and to 
focus on the gabber list. Dr Jesus stopped even farther back. Not sure if it was 
a joke but I seem to remember him wanting to give up the internet at least for a 
while.

Jasper


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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

It was no joke.  He spent a couple years almost entirely away from
internet and music.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
>
>> > isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>
> No, that'd be me. He passed off adminning here due to lack of interest and
> to focus on the gabber list. Dr Jesus stopped even farther back. Not sure if
> it was a joke but I seem to remember him wanting to give up the internet at
> least for a while.
>
> Jasper
>
>



-- 
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frank . count zero

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

The phrasing implies that this was not permanent.  Is he back on the tubes now?



----- Original Message ----
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

It was no joke.  He spent a couple years almost entirely away from
internet and music.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
>
>> > isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>
> No, that'd be me. He passed off adminning here due to lack of interest and
> to focus on the gabber list. Dr Jesus stopped even farther back. Not sure if
> it was a joke but I seem to remember him wanting to give up the internet at
> least for a while.
>
> Jasper
>
>



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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

Check my fb friends, Frankis :)

-Josh

On Aug 7, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Frank Scott wrote:

> The phrasing implies that this was not permanent.  Is he back on the  
> tubes now?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>
> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> Cc: Northeast Raves <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 7:08:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
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> It was no joke.  He spent a couple years almost entirely away from
> internet and music.
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>>
>> No, that'd be me. He passed off adminning here due to lack of  
>> interest and
>> to focus on the gabber list. Dr Jesus stopped even farther back.  
>> Not sure if
>> it was a joke but I seem to remember him wanting to give up the  
>> internet at
>> least for a while.
>>
>> Jasper
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> peace,
>
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>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

I remain as of yet completely unconvinced that "DJ Entropy" is a real
singular person.

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM,  <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
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>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>
> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of douchebaggry did.
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM, The Work It Circuit
<jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
> How is Dr. Jesus?

He's doing well.  He's living on the west coast, in the Bay Area, and
is happily enmeshed in a number of different communities out there.

> Any chance he'll ever come back?  Even if it's just to say hi?

to the list?  perhaps.  in fact, i think it's possible he's even
currently subscribed, but i'm not 100% certain of that.

i did mention this email to him and he said he might log in at some
point, but i'm not exactly sure how he meant it.

> Although I've been aroung the scene for awhile I never had interest in
> DJing, promoting or anything liek that.  As I always saw it, the fun was in
> teh partying so I stuck with that.

well, there's something to be said about not being disillusioned by
going too far down the rabbit hole, for certain.

peace,

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...

bmore club is all the ra... errr... it's really popular right now.

frankissssssssssss

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My name is Frank, got here by way of the phillycrew in 1996.  Was also a fan of telnetting to port 7283 frequently, where I was known as phllystyl, and was on EFnet's #rave for many years as well.  Fell off early 2000s as email accounts changed and my rogue boxen was finally shut down.  Decided to resub a few years back.
> Was once upon a time a dj, mostly house, though over the years my collection has expanded to include some disco, alot of ninjatune, some hospital records dnb, and a fair shake of old school hiphop.  All of this makes it even more depressing that with exception of an annual bday party and an occasional loft party in BK, I'm pretty much the only person who gets to hear my record collection these days due to my hours at work.  In spite of this, I've been really into the b-more/philly sound these days, and would like to start playing more bmore club, and mad decent is my current fav record label.
> I hope this increased traffic keeps up, the next 10 months of my life are going to be a bit more relaxed, and it would be fun to have a list to chat on and maybe even try to get out again from time to time.
> -fs
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
> To: D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com>
> Cc: ashtaerman@yahoo.com; lowkey@acidgrave.com; ne-raves@hyperreal.org
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>
> Hi, my name is Josh, and I'm an alcoholic.  Actually, no, I'm not.  I
> live in Philly, have been on the list since '96, and am proudly
> hostile to happy hardcore events.  Although I will admit that I almost
> got dragged to a Hullabaloo party once.  Divine providence saved me
> (aka our car died).
>
> And I heard Entropy died when raverporn.net went a little too far with
> an autoerotic asphyxiation photo shoot.
>
> -Josh
>
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 1:44 PM, D. Evan Mulvihill wrote:
>
>> I'm Evan from NYC. I go to school up in Ithaca so I usually party in
>> Toronto or Montreal. I have stayed on list for some reason despite
>> the hostility to happy hardcore events or anything that is newish
>> and not harkening back to the "old days." I mean, I understand that
>> the above-ground scene has become a commercial plasticfest but I
>> think it's still kinda fun. I like gabber, trance, and hardstyle in
>> addition to hardcore.
>>
>> Sorry to hear about the loss of DJ Entropy, although I heard he was
>> choked to death by rainbow-colored beaded bracelets. Different
>> story, same ending though right?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Alex Shtaerman
>> <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> DJ Entropy invented hardcore! he is my closest and dearest freind,
>> the very mention of him is devestating as he was killed in a
>> disturbing car crash just short time ago. Hardcore died with DJ
>> Entropy. Man, those were the days.
>>
>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Joshua Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>> To: lowkey@acidgrave.com
>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
>>
>> See, I don't have the same opinion about that as you.  And since my
>> reality is what I believe, I'm not wrong.  But you're not wrong
>> either.
>>
>> Wow, I can't believe I still remember that one after all these years.
>> Well, remember the general idea of it - I'll never be able to word it
>> as eloquently as he did.
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:23 AM, lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
>>
>> > Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>> >
>> > Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of
>> > douchebaggry did. Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off
>> > his drama for him.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>> > http://www.septiknexus.com
>> > http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>> >
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Yo yo yo all !
 
I better switch to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (
I Love this thing, anyone have one? 2.0 jb baby!
So many familiar faces :)
Frank!!!!  Howz med school, er, you're probably a real Doc by now i  guess, 
right ?
Yes, we need to go out - damz, i just spun at this outdoor thing for Wiggle  
a few weeks ago, There's lots of fun stuff going on in Philly, UG raves and  
all.
let's party!
 
Linda
--------------------
_www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http://www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com) 
Live videomixshow with chat every Saturday from 1pm to 3pm ET on 
_www.massivegroove.com_ (http://www.massivegroove.com) 
 
 



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Since everyone's getting in on this introduction thing...  I'm Carlton, 
aka C4.  Currently residing in Troy, NY, aka the Troylet.  Listened to 
shit music straight up until college (no high school kid really knows 
any better in bumfuck, NY) where I escaped to Jerz and fell hard into 
Trance and House, with an expansion of interest in most of the rest of 
the electronic spectrum thereafter.  While I'm still a huge trancehead, 
I love DnB, some good tech-house, and have somewhat of a minimal techno 
leaning these days as well. ... I have DJed.  I've mostly done house, 
because that's what was requested of me, but I'll do any electronic, 
really.  Just nothing too cheesed or too pop-ish. ... I like to make 
uplifting trance mixes and like to put  them on piratebay so that people 
other than myself listen to them.  You can get them by searching for 
"C4" on piratebay, or through my MySpace music 
<http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> page 
<http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> (<-- that's a link!  You want to 
click it!  It's so bright and shiny!  So bright and shiny!!!). ... I can 
cook.  Really well. ... I only told you that last part as a half-assed 
effort to make this uncomfortably sound like a personal ad. ... If I was 
a gnome, my name would be sassafras and I'd have the power to melt 
polyester with my mind.

In any event, I'm more or less in hibernation finishing up my PhD in 
Biology, after which I plan on using my PhD to leech money from this 
capitalist society while I reinvent myself in order to do something I 
actually enjoy.

That's me.
-C4


LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
> Yo yo yo all !
>  
> I better switch to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (
> I Love this thing, anyone have one? 2.0 jb baby!
> So many familiar faces :)
> Frank!!!!  Howz med school, er, you're probably a real Doc by now i  guess, 
> right ?
> Yes, we need to go out - damz, i just spun at this outdoor thing for Wiggle  
> a few weeks ago, There's lots of fun stuff going on in Philly, UG raves and  
> all.
> let's party!
>  
> Linda
> --------------------
> _www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http://www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com) 
> Live videomixshow with chat every Saturday from 1pm to 3pm ET on 
> _www.massivegroove.com_ (http://www.massivegroove.com) 
>  
>  
>
>
>
> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? 
> Read reviews on AOL Autos.      
> (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )
>
>   

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yeah, right.

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM, DJ Entropy <djentropy@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Yet, I am.
>
> My name is Ian K Scott, I'm 30 years old, born in Portsmouth, NH.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:30:57 -0400, count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I remain as of yet completely unconvinced that "DJ Entropy" is a real
>> singular person.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM,  <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
>>>
>>> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of douchebaggry
>>> did.
>>> Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off his drama for him.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
>>> http://www.septiknexus.com
>>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ---------------
> DJ Entropy
> America's #1 Hardcore DJ/producer
> http://www.djentropy.com
> http://livejournal.com/users/djentropy
> http://www.myspace.com/djentropy
>
> "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and
> the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever
> be encouraged." - Articles of Confederation, 1787
>



-- 
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Is Entropy banned still?

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:43 AM, count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>wrote:

> yeah, right.
>
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 6:42 PM, DJ Entropy <djentropy@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> > Yet, I am.
> >
> > My name is Ian K Scott, I'm 30 years old, born in Portsmouth, NH.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:30:57 -0400, count zero <
> deejaycountzero@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I remain as of yet completely unconvinced that "DJ Entropy" is a real
> >> singular person.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM,  <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Quoting count zero <deejaycountzero@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> isn't skinner (current admin?) a conservative republican??
> >>>
> >>> Yep.  Politics don't get you banned.  Crossing the line of douchebaggry
> >>> did.
> >>> Since the kid can't post here, no need to pass off his drama for him.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
> >>> http://www.septiknexus.com
> >>> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> --- NORTHEAST RAVES://hyperreal.org/raves/ne/ ----->
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ---------------
> > DJ Entropy
> > America's #1 Hardcore DJ/producer
> > http://www.djentropy.com
> > http://livejournal.com/users/djentropy
> > http://www.myspace.com/djentropy
> >
> > "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government
> and
> > the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall
> forever
> > be encouraged." - Articles of Confederation, 1787
> >
>
>
>
> --
> peace,
>
> frank . count zero
>
> dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
>
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Again, my mail seems to be bouncing and i'm not getting this, so i have no  
idea if any of you are seeing this.
 
Rats. NeRaves doesn't like aol...neither do i much, but our Technotica  
account got spammed to hell, so i had to switch over.
 
Linda
 
add me on fb or ms!
linda leigh
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Subject: [ne-raves] Old School NE-RAVERS?

Hey all,

Not sure if any early NE-Ravers frequent the list, but I just wanted to 
say hello.

I designed the original NE-Raves sticker that is on the Hyperreal site. 
(Hi Brian!)

I'd love to reconnect with everybody; Laura, Taylor, Fran, DanFreelove, 
the UnitedTechno crew, Dieselboy, the list goes on and on.
 
--->REVAR

Chuck Fletcher
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hiya Revar!
 
I still have a few of those :)
I saw Taylor recently - he was with P909 at Fluid...great show! I showed  him 
a pic of him showing his drawers at one of our prerave gatherings in  
Strawberry Fields :)
 
good times :)
 
Well, I'm still around & still spinning & partying (Rob & I  have a 9 year 
old boy :)
 Technotica is still there but we haven't done anything with the site  in 
awhile. 
 
 



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Ah,  Strawberry Fields :)

You have any of those pics on flickr?

Yeah, Jane (Phaedra) and I have two kids. 10 year old boy Linus T. and 
Mina 7.

They are are only a few years away from the youngest NE-ravers.

I still have my original NE-Raves badge - most likely hand made by Laura...

Chuck

LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
> hiya Revar!
>  
> I still have a few of those :)
> I saw Taylor recently - he was with P909 at Fluid...great show! I 
> showed him a pic of him showing his drawers at one of our prerave 
> gatherings in Strawberry Fields :)
>  
> good times :)
>  
> Well, I'm still around & still spinning & partying (Rob & I have a 9 
> year old boy :)
>  Technotica is still there but we haven't done anything with the site 
> in awhile.
>  
>  
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read 
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Oh wow!  I've heard you mentioned before because of the sticker design,
which really is a badass design!  A few years ago I grabbed the sticker
images off of Hyperreal just in case the site ever went away.  I wanted to
make sure they were preserved.

Nice to have you back on the list!

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Chuck Fletcher <chuck@chuckfletcher.com>wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Not sure if any early NE-Ravers frequent the list, but I just wanted to say
> hello.
>
> I designed the original NE-Raves sticker that is on the Hyperreal site. (Hi
> Brian!)
>
> I'd love to reconnect with everybody; Laura, Taylor, Fran, DanFreelove, the
> UnitedTechno crew, Dieselboy, the list goes on and on.
>
> --->REVAR
>
> Chuck Fletcher
> chuck@chuckfletcher.com
> http://www.twitter.com/chuckfletcher
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Heya man, =0Awelcome back to NER. Def. wasn't on back in your time..=A0 and=
 def. have not seen damien or dan post in many moons.=A0 I recently reconne=
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Anyone going to Heat tonight @ Exit?

It is my friends friend Leila's birthday and she is spinning. Apparently the
party is supposed to be really good. I never go to Exit (dust bunnies are
not my friends) but I am making an exception.

Anyone gonna be there? I really should get more involved with this list hehe
;)

ps - anyone here frequent the pines?



-- 
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I guess I will follow suit...

My name is Lou I am from Somerville NJ. I have been a troll on this list for
a few years and i've been partying about the same amount of time.

I've been realizing recently that I know a lot more people in the scene than
i thought.

Anyone else from central jersey?

ttyl!

/Lou

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:26 AM, C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since everyone's getting in on this introduction thing...  I'm Carlton, aka
> C4.  Currently residing in Troy, NY, aka the Troylet.  Listened to shit
> music straight up until college (no high school kid really knows any better
> in bumfuck, NY) where I escaped to Jerz and fell hard into Trance and House,
> with an expansion of interest in most of the rest of the electronic spectrum
> thereafter.  While I'm still a huge trancehead, I love DnB, some good
> tech-house, and have somewhat of a minimal techno leaning these days as
> well. ... I have DJed.  I've mostly done house, because that's what was
> requested of me, but I'll do any electronic, really.  Just nothing too
> cheesed or too pop-ish. ... I like to make uplifting trance mixes and like
> to put  them on piratebay so that people other than myself listen to them.
>  You can get them by searching for "C4" on piratebay, or through my MySpace
> music <http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> page <
> http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> (<-- that's a link!  You want to
> click it!  It's so bright and shiny!  So bright and shiny!!!). ... I can
> cook.  Really well. ... I only told you that last part as a half-assed
> effort to make this uncomfortably sound like a personal ad. ... If I was a
> gnome, my name would be sassafras and I'd have the power to melt polyester
> with my mind.
>
> In any event, I'm more or less in hibernation finishing up my PhD in
> Biology, after which I plan on using my PhD to leech money from this
> capitalist society while I reinvent myself in order to do something I
> actually enjoy.
>
> That's me.
> -C4
>
>
> LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yo yo yo all !
>>  I better switch to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (
>> I Love this thing, anyone have one? 2.0 jb baby!
>> So many familiar faces :)
>> Frank!!!!  Howz med school, er, you're probably a real Doc by now i
>>  guess, right ?
>> Yes, we need to go out - damz, i just spun at this outdoor thing for
>> Wiggle  a few weeks ago, There's lots of fun stuff going on in Philly, UG
>> raves and  all.
>> let's party!
>>  Linda
>> --------------------
>> _www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http://www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com) Live
>> videomixshow with chat every Saturday from 1pm to 3pm ET on
>> _www.massivegroove.com_ (http://www.massivegroove.com)
>>
>>
>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
>> budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.      (
>> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017)
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
/lou

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hey all,=0ASome friends are applying sme pressure and trying to get me out =
my bedroom djing mode and do a few gigs at a small bar down the st from my =
apt.=A0 Love the bar, and the fact that drinks are cheap, but they don't ha=
ve anything near what I would require to get my dj on there in terms of a s=
oundsystem.=A0 So I am in search of an Amp and speakers or powered speakers=
.=0ASo my two questions are:=A0 =0A1) anyone know anyone who lends out equi=
pment for compensation, business or person, in manhattan?=0Aor...=0A2) anyo=
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Holy crap, did you say new stickers? =)

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>
> Not sure if any early NE-Ravers frequent the list, but I just wanted to say
> hello.
>
> I designed the original NE-Raves sticker that is on the Hyperreal site. (Hi
> Brian!)
>
> I'd love to reconnect with everybody; Laura, Taylor, Fran, DanFreelove, the
> UnitedTechno crew, Dieselboy, the list goes on and on.
>
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Hi all,

My name is Brian and I live in Manhattan.  I've only been on this list for a little bit but have been involved with the scene since 1991.  Most of my time was on the Fl-raves and Se-raves mailing lists although I think I was on this one for a little while a few years back.  

While I've never stopped listening to the music (I love the stuff on Armin Van Buuren's "A State of Trance" radio show), its a lot harder to get to events these days.  I am very excited to go to PVD at Pier 54 tomorrow - his shows in Central Park were really good the last couple of years.  

Take care,
-Brian






----- Original Message ----
From: lou <lou420@gmail.com>
To: C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:58:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?

I guess I will follow suit...

My name is Lou I am from Somerville NJ. I have been a troll on this list for
a few years and i've been partying about the same amount of time.

I've been realizing recently that I know a lot more people in the scene than
i thought.

Anyone else from central jersey?

ttyl!

/Lou

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:26 AM, C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since everyone's getting in on this introduction thing...  I'm Carlton, aka
> C4.  Currently residing in Troy, NY, aka the Troylet.  Listened to shit
> music straight up until college (no high school kid really knows any better
> in bumfuck, NY) where I escaped to Jerz and fell hard into Trance and House,
> with an expansion of interest in most of the rest of the electronic spectrum
> thereafter.  While I'm still a huge trancehead, I love DnB, some good
> tech-house, and have somewhat of a minimal techno leaning these days as
> well. ... I have DJed.  I've mostly done house, because that's what was
> requested of me, but I'll do any electronic, really.  Just nothing too
> cheesed or too pop-ish. ... I like to make uplifting trance mixes and like
> to put  them on piratebay so that people other than myself listen to them.
>  You can get them by searching for "C4" on piratebay, or through my MySpace
> music <http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> page <
> http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> (<-- that's a link!  You want to
> click it!  It's so bright and shiny!  So bright and shiny!!!). ... I can
> cook.  Really well. ... I only told you that last part as a half-assed
> effort to make this uncomfortably sound like a personal ad. ... If I was a
> gnome, my name would be sassafras and I'd have the power to melt polyester
> with my mind.
>
> In any event, I'm more or less in hibernation finishing up my PhD in
> Biology, after which I plan on using my PhD to leech money from this
> capitalist society while I reinvent myself in order to do something I
> actually enjoy.
>
> That's me.
> -C4
>
>
> LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yo yo yo all !
>>  I better switch to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (
>> I Love this thing, anyone have one? 2.0 jb baby!
>> So many familiar faces :)
>> Frank!!!!  Howz med school, er, you're probably a real Doc by now i
>>  guess, right ?
>> Yes, we need to go out - damz, i just spun at this outdoor thing for
>> Wiggle  a few weeks ago, There's lots of fun stuff going on in Philly, UG
>> raves and  all.
>> let's party!
>>  Linda
>> --------------------
>> _www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http://www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com) Live
>> videomixshow with chat every Saturday from 1pm to 3pm ET on
>> _www.massivegroove.com_ (http://www.massivegroove.com)
>>
>>
>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
>> budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.      (
>> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017)
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
/lou

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Hey all...
I'm doing my thing Saturday 1pm-3pm on _www.massivegroove.com_ 
(http://www.massivegroove.com) 
This week is Techno & Olympics - I'll lay down the slabs, got the tv  on, 
some cold ones, and
the chat is open to those who dare ;>
 
I also broadcast on Stickam alongside, the chat and cam is good, but the  
sound is better on massivegroove :)
 
The show is called Spinthesis
(used to be These Technotic Times)
 
Hope to see ya there!
Linda
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Hello all,

My name is Andy from cliffside park nj (been a member here since high school
d. My first rave was back in 1998 in Toronto where I often visit my uncle /
aunt / cousin.  But I actually started listening to eletronic music back in
1996 ( I still have the 4-CD sets of "Hard House" and "Komakino - energy
transmission" which I still love alot).

After coming back from canada, in 2000 I started going to rave parties, 100%
sober all the time and all the way !  I fell for psychedelic trance and
loved outdoor parties.  Unfortunately I stopped going to parties around 2005
due to new addiction ( internet multiplayer game addiction such as Blackhawk
down, counterstrike soldier of fortune2, etc etc) + full time job as a
system programmer.

Who I miss : all of you and especially KindKidz !   And is Blakkat still
around ?

Well take care and I miss u guys :)



On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Brian <kelloggnyc02@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My name is Brian and I live in Manhattan.  I've only been on this list for
> a little bit but have been involved with the scene since 1991.  Most of my
> time was on the Fl-raves and Se-raves mailing lists although I think I was
> on this one for a little while a few years back.
>
> While I've never stopped listening to the music (I love the stuff on Armin
> Van Buuren's "A State of Trance" radio show), its a lot harder to get to
> events these days.  I am very excited to go to PVD at Pier 54 tomorrow - his
> shows in Central Park were really good the last couple of years.
>
> Take care,
> -Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: lou <lou420@gmail.com>
> To: C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com>
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:58:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?
>
> I guess I will follow suit...
>
> My name is Lou I am from Somerville NJ. I have been a troll on this list
> for
> a few years and i've been partying about the same amount of time.
>
> I've been realizing recently that I know a lot more people in the scene
> than
> i thought.
>
> Anyone else from central jersey?
>
> ttyl!
>
> /Lou
>
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:26 AM, C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Since everyone's getting in on this introduction thing...  I'm Carlton,
> aka
> > C4.  Currently residing in Troy, NY, aka the Troylet.  Listened to shit
> > music straight up until college (no high school kid really knows any
> better
> > in bumfuck, NY) where I escaped to Jerz and fell hard into Trance and
> House,
> > with an expansion of interest in most of the rest of the electronic
> spectrum
> > thereafter.  While I'm still a huge trancehead, I love DnB, some good
> > tech-house, and have somewhat of a minimal techno leaning these days as
> > well. ... I have DJed.  I've mostly done house, because that's what was
> > requested of me, but I'll do any electronic, really.  Just nothing too
> > cheesed or too pop-ish. ... I like to make uplifting trance mixes and
> like
> > to put  them on piratebay so that people other than myself listen to
> them.
> >  You can get them by searching for "C4" on piratebay, or through my
> MySpace
> > music <http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> page <
> > http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> (<-- that's a link!  You want to
> > click it!  It's so bright and shiny!  So bright and shiny!!!). ... I can
> > cook.  Really well. ... I only told you that last part as a half-assed
> > effort to make this uncomfortably sound like a personal ad. ... If I was
> a
> > gnome, my name would be sassafras and I'd have the power to melt
> polyester
> > with my mind.
> >
> > In any event, I'm more or less in hibernation finishing up my PhD in
> > Biology, after which I plan on using my PhD to leech money from this
> > capitalist society while I reinvent myself in order to do something I
> > actually enjoy.
> >
> > That's me.
> > -C4
> >
> >
> > LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Yo yo yo all !
> >>  I better switch to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (
> >> I Love this thing, anyone have one? 2.0 jb baby!
> >> So many familiar faces :)
> >> Frank!!!!  Howz med school, er, you're probably a real Doc by now i
> >>  guess, right ?
> >> Yes, we need to go out - damz, i just spun at this outdoor thing for
> >> Wiggle  a few weeks ago, There's lots of fun stuff going on in Philly,
> UG
> >> raves and  all.
> >> let's party!
> >>  Linda
> >> --------------------
> >> _www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http://www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com)
> Live
> >> videomixshow with chat every Saturday from 1pm to 3pm ET on
> >> _www.massivegroove.com_ (http://www.massivegroove.com)
> >>
> >>
> >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
> >> budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.      (
> >>
> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017
> )
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> /lou
>



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sup=2C im rudy strife=2C been going out to parties since disco2000 and nasa=
 (1992)....and still am=2C im a bboy=2C which means=2C i dance (mostly pop =
n lock=2C liquid=2C on occasssion ill hit the floor)=2C i make beats and sp=
in (mostly hip hop=2C jungle=2C hardcore=2C electro)=2C i rhyme (even befor=
e i got into hip hop as a kid i would spit rhymes=2C started working on ful=
l tracks in 2000)=2C and i write/paint/piece graff (mostly i write stab and=
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been on this list since college like 98 tho i think that wasthe nyc rave li=
st i was on first....i live in newark=2C nj and still am quite involved in =
the scene helping out with parties and promoting
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tonight ill be @ refuge nyc (sam blacks new spot 15-32 decatur st BK) which=
 im hoping is gonna bring some much needed love and life back to this scene=
...
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> Date: Sat=2C 16 Aug 2008 12:51:31 -0400> From: imjustawittleduck@gmail.co=
m> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up=2C=
 peeps?> > Hello all=2C> > My name is Andy from cliffside park nj (been a m=
ember here since high school> d. My first rave was back in 1998 in Toronto =
where I often visit my uncle /> aunt / cousin. But I actually started liste=
ning to eletronic music back in> 1996 ( I still have the 4-CD sets of "Hard=
 House" and "Komakino - energy> transmission" which I still love alot).> > =
After coming back from canada=2C in 2000 I started going to rave parties=2C=
 100%> sober all the time and all the way ! I fell for psychedelic trance a=
nd> loved outdoor parties. Unfortunately I stopped going to parties around =
2005> due to new addiction ( internet multiplayer game addiction such as Bl=
ackhawk> down=2C counterstrike soldier of fortune2=2C etc etc) + full time =
job as a> system programmer.> > Who I miss : all of you and especially Kind=
Kidz ! And is Blakkat still> around ?> > Well take care and I miss u guys :=
)> > > > On Fri=2C Aug 15=2C 2008 at 9:00 PM=2C Brian <kelloggnyc02@yahoo.c=
om> wrote:> > > Hi all=2C> >> > My name is Brian and I live in Manhattan. I=
've only been on this list for> > a little bit but have been involved with =
the scene since 1991. Most of my> > time was on the Fl-raves and Se-raves m=
ailing lists although I think I was> > on this one for a little while a few=
 years back.> >> > While I've never stopped listening to the music (I love =
the stuff on Armin> > Van Buuren's "A State of Trance" radio show)=2C its a=
 lot harder to get to> > events these days. I am very excited to go to PVD =
at Pier 54 tomorrow - his> > shows in Central Park were really good the las=
t couple of years.> >> > Take care=2C> > -Brian> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ----- =
Original Message ----> > From: lou <lou420@gmail.com>> > To: C4 <C4Diesel@g=
mail.com>> > Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday=2C August 15=2C 200=
8 1:58:06 PM> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up=2C peeps?> >> > I=
 guess I will follow suit...> >> > My name is Lou I am from Somerville NJ. =
I have been a troll on this list> > for> > a few years and i've been partyi=
ng about the same amount of time.> >> > I've been realizing recently that I=
 know a lot more people in the scene> > than> > i thought.> >> > Anyone els=
e from central jersey?> >> > ttyl!> >> > /Lou> >> > On Fri=2C Aug 8=2C 2008=
 at 8:26 AM=2C C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:> >> > > Since everyone's gett=
ing in on this introduction thing... I'm Carlton=2C> > aka> > > C4. Current=
ly residing in Troy=2C NY=2C aka the Troylet. Listened to shit> > > music s=
traight up until college (no high school kid really knows any> > better> > =
> in bumfuck=2C NY) where I escaped to Jerz and fell hard into Trance and> =
> House=2C> > > with an expansion of interest in most of the rest of the el=
ectronic> > spectrum> > > thereafter. While I'm still a huge trancehead=2C =
I love DnB=2C some good> > > tech-house=2C and have somewhat of a minimal t=
echno leaning these days as> > > well. ... I have DJed. I've mostly done ho=
use=2C because that's what was> > > requested of me=2C but I'll do any elec=
tronic=2C really. Just nothing too> > > cheesed or too pop-ish. ... I like =
to make uplifting trance mixes and> > like> > > to put them on piratebay so=
 that people other than myself listen to> > them.> > > You can get them by =
searching for "C4" on piratebay=2C or through my> > MySpace> > > music <htt=
p://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> page <> > > http://www.myspace.com/C4make=
itboom> (<-- that's a link! You want to> > > click it! It's so bright and s=
hiny! So bright and shiny!!!). ... I can> > > cook. Really well. ... I only=
 told you that last part as a half-assed> > > effort to make this uncomfort=
ably sound like a personal ad. ... If I was> > a> > > gnome=2C my name woul=
d be sassafras and I'd have the power to melt> > polyester> > > with my min=
d.> > >> > > In any event=2C I'm more or less in hibernation finishing up m=
y PhD in> > > Biology=2C after which I plan on using my PhD to leech money =
from this> > > capitalist society while I reinvent myself in order to do so=
mething I> > > actually enjoy.> > >> > > That's me.> > > -C4> > >> > >> > >=
 LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:> > >> > >> Yo yo yo all !> > >> I better switch =
to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (> > >> I Love this thing=2C an=
yone have one? 2.0 jb baby!> > >> So many familiar faces :)> > >> Frank!!!!=
 Howz med school=2C er=2C you're probably a real Doc by now i> > >> guess=
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tdoor thing for> > >> Wiggle a few weeks ago=2C There's lots of fun stuff g=
oing on in Philly=2C> > UG> > >> raves and all.> > >> let's party!> > >> Li=
nda> > >> --------------------> > >> _www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http:/=
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Whats up....  I have a question for all and was wondering if you could provide the missing link...
 
I started in the NYC Rave scene back in 1996 by regularly going to club Vinyl.  From there I started seeing flyers for big events and starting hitting those up.  These included the Brass Monkey parties, Horizon, Into the Light, and too many others that I can remember.  This continued from 96 to 99 and the scene was bangin!  In 1999 I moved out of the country and when I came back about 2 years later I noticed there was a drastic reduction in parties.  This was right after 911 so I didnt think much.  I used to pick up my flyers at Satellite and Sonic Groove.  I kept coming back every year or so and noticed less and less parties untill about 2005-6 when it seemed like the scene was almost non-existant anymore.  Satellite and Sonic Groove were closed down and I no longer would see the people around anymore that I used to.
 
So my question is for somebody to please provide the missing link...  Was it that it just naturally died down?  Or was there some big event that happened that starting eating away the scene?  Im really curious as to what the deal is.  Fill in the blanks...
 
Peace
EJS
 
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I think it was pretty much a government crackdown=A0under papa Bush and dad=
dy Gulianni=A0and bad publicty for club owners or anyone who hosted a rave =
or electronic music style event at their venue, that drove it downward sign=
ificantly=A0-- after the scene was diminished by "the powers that be", for =
lack of a better term -- a lot of the high quality people including DJs and=
 promoters left for greener pastures, whether it be=A0other countries, othe=
r scenes or other careers. What was left at that point was a lower class an=
d breed of people who lacked moral values and didn't understand the history=
 and significance of the movement. Those people, as they were mostly lowlif=
e types, drove the scene into the ground by trying to explot what little wa=
s left for personal gain. In the end, they didn't gain very much money=A0an=
d even less=A0fame. So it was just an excercise in inferior people and lowl=
ifes doing what they do best. That type of thing disollusioned a lot of
 the fans or ravers or whatever you want to call them and they stopped goin=
g to parties too because they didn't feel it was the same, which it wasn't=
=A0-- there is still a scene with soundsystems and underground parties and =
people who have kept the music and original spirit alive but with somewhat =
of new millennium twist, tapping into global networks and keeping with a=A0=
"community spirit" --=A0some of it good, some of it=A0is so-so in my opinio=
n. But the good stuff is really good -- it takes a lot more effort now thes=
e days, so I tend not to be active in it. Haven't=A0been to a party in a lo=
ng time... but things do=A0still pop off now and again -- the=A0"old school=
" mid 90's rave scene is completely gone -- the spirit of it no longer exis=
ts in New York, only on old mixtapes.=A0

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From: Eric Serpentini <anubisronin@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 7:27 AM

Whats up....  I have a question for all and was wondering if you could prov=
ide
the missing link...
=20
I started in the NYC Rave scene back in 1996 by regularly going to club Vin=
yl.=20
>From there I started seeing flyers for big events and starting hitting thos=
e up.
 These included the Brass Monkey parties, Horizon, Into the Light, and too =
many
others that I can remember.  This continued from 96 to 99 and the scene was
bangin!  In 1999 I moved out of the country and when I came back about 2 ye=
ars
later I noticed there was a drastic reduction in parties.  This was right a=
fter
911 so I didnt think much.  I used to pick up my flyers at Satellite and So=
nic
Groove.  I kept coming back every year or so and noticed less and less part=
ies
untill about 2005-6 when it seemed like the scene was almost non-existant
anymore.  Satellite and Sonic Groove were closed down and I no longer would=
 see
the people around anymore that I used to.
=20
So my question is for somebody to please provide the missing link...  Was i=
t
that it just naturally died down?  Or was there some big event that happene=
d
that starting eating away the scene?  Im really curious as to what the deal=
 is.=20
Fill in the blanks...
=20
Peace
EJS
=20
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so....  What happened exactly?

Eric - I was always of the impression that Guliani's police state closed
a lot of shit down, but I was only got into the area in '00, so perhaps
enlightenment would come best from someone who experienced it themselves.

-C4

Eric Serpentini wrote:
> Whats up....  I have a question for all and was wondering if you could provide the missing link...
>  
> I started in the NYC Rave scene back in 1996 by regularly going to club Vinyl.  From there I started seeing flyers for big events and starting hitting those up.  These included the Brass Monkey parties, Horizon, Into the Light, and too many others that I can remember.  This continued from 96 to 99 and the scene was bangin!  In 1999 I moved out of the country and when I came back about 2 years later I noticed there was a drastic reduction in parties.  This was right after 911 so I didnt think much.  I used to pick up my flyers at Satellite and Sonic Groove.  I kept coming back every year or so and noticed less and less parties untill about 2005-6 when it seemed like the scene was almost non-existant anymore.  Satellite and Sonic Groove were closed down and I no longer would see the people around anymore that I used to.
>  
> So my question is for somebody to please provide the missing link...  Was it that it just naturally died down?  Or was there some big event that happened that starting eating away the scene?  Im really curious as to what the deal is.  Fill in the blanks...
>  
> Peace
> EJS
>  
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nothing lasts forever............. it is always changing. there was a slump  
but now there is a resurgence.  To be honest with you I thought the  rave 
scene was over by 1995 & the last good party that captured that old  soul was the 
first April fools............after that parties became a  commercial cash cow. 
 
the end of the rave scene wasn't the government all though they had a  
helping hand it was the people who went to the parties not for the music,  dance & 
socializing but for a place to get ridiculously high & OD all  over the place.  
The you had the BTS kids that sold bunk stuff, robbed  & beat people up & 
other shady shit. 
 
I had an escape though because i was also a clubber besides a raver so i  
always had something to do. The scene is not dead it is just  
different............
 
I am going to be working 2 parties come September.
 
First if you were a tunnel kid the tunnel family is doing a party on Sep  
13th called lost & found........
 
_http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=14460&day=2008-9-13&
c=1_ 
(http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=14460&day=2008-9-13&c=1)  
 
And that same weekend i al working The Minitek Festival Techno at its  finest!
 
_http://minitekfestival.com/_ (http://minitekfestival.com/) 
 
I do agree with Alex right? about the lowlifes & degenerates but its up  to 
use to let them know that their behavior is no longer welcomed or  
wanted..............  besides the people that go out today would fight  back.
 
I hope i have helped some what................
 
oh if you like hardcore & breakcore there is a dope party next weekend  with 
Mark N from Bloody Fist......
 
_http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1339555#post1339555_ 
(http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1339555#post1339555)  
 
 



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How was this party?  did not even hear anything about it then again  dust 
bunnies are not my friend either :)
 
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Ahhh.. increadibly enough we agree on something
=A0
I did start later than you so I can't say it was dead by 95 because I wasn'=
t there=20
=A0
The Mark N thing looks dope -- I would definitely=A0recomend that as well.
=A0
I got the Nausenbluten (I am sure I spelled that wrong) Bloody Fist records=
 double vinyl=A0 on my decks right now...=A0you can play an=A0ill half hour=
=A0hardcore set with just those 8 tracks if you use your imagination... whi=
ch I am short on right now, but I am sure it can be done
=A0
As far as the Tunnel reunion thing... these are my thoughts... I've been to=
 the Tunnel countless time, that was probably my favorite place in the worl=
d at one point -- but while it's actually a decent lineup for this event...=
 I don't think it can ever be official until Danny T plays... Eddie Baez pl=
ayed the tunnel a little later on and it was kinda washed up right after/du=
ring that time ... but whatever -- it'll probably be ok -- I don't know, I =
don't plan on going
=A0=A0

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 9:52 AM

nothing lasts forever............. it is always changing. there was a slump=
 =20
but now there is a resurgence.  To be honest with you I thought the  rave=
=20
scene was over by 1995 & the last good party that captured that old  soul
was the=20
first April fools............after that parties became a  commercial cash c=
ow.=20
=20
the end of the rave scene wasn't the government all though they had a =20
helping hand it was the people who went to the parties not for the music,=
=20
dance &=20
socializing but for a place to get ridiculously high & OD all  over the
place. =20
The you had the BTS kids that sold bunk stuff, robbed  & beat people up
&=20
other shady shit.=20
=20
I had an escape though because i was also a clubber besides a raver so i =
=20
always had something to do. The scene is not dead it is just =20
different............
=20
I am going to be working 2 parties come September.
=20
First if you were a tunnel kid the tunnel family is doing a party on Sep =
=20
13th called lost & found........
=20
_http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/calendar.php?do=3Dgetinfo&e=3D14460&day=3D2=
008-9-13&
c=3D1_=20
(http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/calendar.php?do=3Dgetinfo&e=3D14460&day=3D2=
008-9-13&c=3D1)
=20
=20
And that same weekend i al working The Minitek Festival Techno at its  fine=
st!
=20
_http://minitekfestival.com/_ (http://minitekfestival.com/)=20
=20
I do agree with Alex right? about the lowlifes & degenerates but its up  to

use to let them know that their behavior is no longer welcomed or =20
wanted..............  besides the people that go out today would fight  bac=
k.
=20
I hope i have helped some what................
=20
oh if you like hardcore & breakcore there is a dope party next weekend=20
with=20
Mark N from Bloody Fist......
=20
_http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3D1339555#post1339555_=20
(http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3D1339555#post1339555) =20
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danny t was a transient there. he came  in the late 90's..............  & i 
inarticulately did not like his music there was more to the tunnel then  
him.............. the maskaraves & all the other shit that scotto &  countless 
others did there..............  if i were you id stop staying  home & come out.



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Yea, probably there was more to it=A0but I didn't go to any of those raves,=
 I just went on Saturday night for Tanaglia -- c'mon=A0you gotta admit=A0he=
 had the Elements track "Ladies And Gentlemen, Welcome To The Tunnel" -- I =
swear the first time I hear that, obviously I was crazy fucked up... but I =
didn't even realize that was part of the record...I thought it was some guy=
 with a crazy voice just talking over the PA .. so to me, Danny T was the t=
unnel, that's when I went.. I think it was about 96 -- the first time I wen=
t there was in=A0December of 94=A0-- there was the jungle room too upstairs=
 past the bathroom which was always dope...but if you put a gun to my head =
I wouldn't be able to name one person that ever played there.. I just know =
every time we wanted to take a break we'd be up there and it was more often=
 than not good music

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danny t was a transient there. he came  in the late 90's..............=20
& i=20
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not louie vega lil louis & the world & to the older generation the  
conversation was the signature tunnel track.
 
the ep was called I called you
 
I called you - _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flrINaqHNGc&feature=related_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flrINaqHNGc&feature=related) 
 
The Conversation - 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsn_QctO8lQ&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsn_QctO8lQ&feature=related)  
 
The Story Continues - 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFeuNrObcMM&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFeuNrObcMM&feature=related) 
 
Why'd U Fall - _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuqwXBWQglA&feature=related_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuqwXBWQglA&feature=related) 
 
there are some of the tracks on the ep but the one where she goes can he be  
at the tunnel is not listed....... shame. if you can find this EP buy it  its 
a fuckin classic GEM! 
 
 
Fuck another anthem by him is black out! - 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNwHs7Q5yBc&feature=related_ 
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I started this thread on a board i belong to of all my fav musical memories  
that i could find on Youtube.
 
Check it out i am sure you will find tunes that you forgot & thought  would 
never hear again........... The internet is a great thing :)
 
_http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1244783&highlight=kwan#post12
44783_ 
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I think a lot has to do with the record shops all closing down also. This  
has been a Huge blow to the scene...every week I went to 611 to get  
flyers......now I can hardley find one (there is a HUGE Defcon party with a  great flyer 
- the party is at a club (Transit) Aug 30).
Yeah we have the net, but that has become so scattered as to where the info  
is. Yes, the Man, overboard partiers and bts etc helped put a bunch of nails 
in,  and the passage of time does change some things, but the music is still 
there -  it's just gotten harder to find a way to enjoy it in a huge dark room 
with other  like minded souls.



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Hey Everyone!
   it's great that this list has become so alive again lately, I think  
that's enough of a testament to the scene staying alive, changing, and  
evolving!

   I'm also a very active DJ who spun breaks for 12 years (now I play  
tech house) and I own a production company and owned a record store  
(RIP) in Albany, NY called Massive Audio.

   There are still parties and people keeping it alive in almost every  
major city in the North East. Want to see amazing DJs in NYC? Check  
out basicnyc.com for Sleepy @ Boo's upcoming shows. Lots of incredible  
house music! Cafe Deville & Club Love always have amazing shows going  
on with Devile being the underground spot.

   Providence RI & Boston also have a lot going on with Volume  
Productions.  I don't make it to Philly often, but the last Whistle  
was a blast and I played an after party at Transit. Burlington, VT is  
home to Nexus Artist Management which is the largest all breaks talent  
agent in North America, want to see Simply Jeff's tour schedule, hit  
them up.  The Red Door in Portsmouth, NH is a great chill spot with  
resonably priced drinks.  The list goes on and on!  Hell, I just saw  
venom spin a month or so ago here in Albany for my friend Dreamy!

   My point is that it's all out there somewhere. No one was ever in  
the scene more than they wanted to be. It's like buying records,  
you've got to dig to come up with gold!

Scooby Carolan
Scooby@massiveaudio.net

On Aug 17, 2008, at 11:39 AM, LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:

> I think a lot has to do with the record shops all closing down also.  
> This
> has been a Huge blow to the scene...every week I went to 611 to get
> flyers......now I can hardley find one (there is a HUGE Defcon party  
> with a  great flyer
> - the party is at a club (Transit) Aug 30).
> Yeah we have the net, but that has become so scattered as to where  
> the info
> is. Yes, the Man, overboard partiers and bts etc helped put a bunch  
> of nails
> in,  and the passage of time does change some things, but the music  
> is still
> there -  it's just gotten harder to find a way to enjoy it in a huge  
> dark room
> with other  like minded souls.
>
>
>
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Alright... I'll check this out later today...... let you know if I like it,=
 just for kicks

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
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Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 11:09 AM



not louie vega lil louis & the world & to the older generation the conversa=
tion was the signature tunnel track.
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the ep was called I called you
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I called you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DflrINaqHNGc&feature=3Drelat=
ed
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The Conversation - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ddsn_QctO8lQ&feature=3Dr=
elated=A0
=A0
The Story Continues - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjFeuNrObcMM&feature=
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Why'd U Fall - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKuqwXBWQglA&feature=3Drelat=
ed
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there are some of the tracks on the ep but the one where she goes can he be=
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 its a=A0fuckin classic GEM!=A0
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=A0
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Man that EP was insane.  every one of those songs is a classic.



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Alright... I'll check this out later today...... let you know if I like it, just for kicks

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not louie vega lil louis & the world & to the older generation the conversation was the signature tunnel track.
 
the ep was called I called you
 
I called you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flrINaqHNGc&feature=related
 
The Conversation - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsn_QctO8lQ&feature=related 
 
The Story Continues - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFeuNrObcMM&feature=related
 
Why'd U Fall - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuqwXBWQglA&feature=related
 
there are some of the tracks on the ep but the one where she goes can he be at the tunnel is not listed....... shame. if you can find this EP buy it its a fuckin classic GEM! 
 
 
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WHAT HAPPENED: the current media establishment has sucessfully
inculcated the complete and total self-absorption of all of its
members, in order to make the effort of collective action seem less
appealing. this was accomplished with the implicit support of the
materialist consumer culture as detailed by adam curtis in 'pandora's
box' and 'the power of nightmares'. in an environment of total apathy
engendered by such meaningless happiness as delivered by a rich and
diverse fabric of PRODUCTS and PROCESSES you can purchase items to
participate in, the concept of WORKING TOGETHER towards a greater good
starts appearing less valuable. this affects all movements, from PACs
to raves to community chess clubs.

IN ADDITION: alex stfu.

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>
> Whats up....  I have a question for all and was wondering if you could provide the missing link...
>
> I started in the NYC Rave scene back in 1996 by regularly going to club Vinyl.  From there I started seeing flyers for big events and starting hitting those up.  These included the Brass Monkey parties, Horizon, Into the Light, and too many others that I can remember.  This continued from 96 to 99 and the scene was bangin!  In 1999 I moved out of the country and when I came back about 2 years later I noticed there was a drastic reduction in parties.  This was right after 911 so I didnt think much.  I used to pick up my flyers at Satellite and Sonic Groove.  I kept coming back every year or so and noticed less and less parties untill about 2005-6 when it seemed like the scene was almost non-existant anymore.  Satellite and Sonic Groove were closed down and I no longer would see the people around anymore that I used to.
>
> So my question is for somebody to please provide the missing link...  Was it that it just naturally died down?  Or was there some big event that happened that starting eating away the scene?  Im really curious as to what the deal is.  Fill in the blanks...
>
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out of those 4 tracks, the only one I would play is "the story continues"... that one I kinda like, the other 3 are on like a freestyle / electrojazz dub tip... I don't know, not my style -- it's ok, I can see people groovin to it in the 80's... but it's hard for me to relate to that sound. "The Story Continues" is kinda dope... I can respect it if that's what it was, but I know I probably wouldn't have been into that if I was going out 20 years ago .. at least I don't think so... I would probably be listening to Black Sabbath or something if I grew up in the 70's (which I didn't... I grew up in the 80's and 90's)... so, that's my honest take on it.. got some groove but no kick -- interesting to listen to nontheless -- if you got other old stuff you think is worth checkin out.. just post it.. I'll listen

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
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Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 3:44 PM

Man that EP was insane.  every one of those songs is a classic.



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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so....  What happened exactly?

Alright... I'll check this out later today...... let you know if I like it,
just for kicks

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From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
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Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 11:09 AM



not louie vega lil louis & the world & to the older generation the
conversation was the signature tunnel track.
 
the ep was called I called you
 
I called you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flrINaqHNGc&feature=related
 
The Conversation -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsn_QctO8lQ&feature=related 
 
The Story Continues -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFeuNrObcMM&feature=related
 
Why'd U Fall -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuqwXBWQglA&feature=related
 
there are some of the tracks on the ep but the one where she goes can he be at
the tunnel is not listed....... shame. if you can find this EP buy it its a
fuckin classic GEM! 
 
 
Fuck another anthem by him is black out! -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNwHs7Q5yBc&feature=related 





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its called house music.........
 
& i was listening to this 20 yrs ago along with sick of it all slayer  mr 
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its called house music.........
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In a message dated 8/18/2008 8:50:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd05-1Wzji4



that is NYC club house................. extremely commercial house i know i  
was there when it was first dropped at limelight in the early 90's 



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Just because its a BIG song, doesn't mean it's nssesarily=A0"commercial" --=
- that's like saying The Beatles or Johnny Cash are commercial just because=
 they made it big.=A0Also, to reference something that is closer to our tim=
e, Public Enemy sold over 10 million records, put that shit on today, turn =
it up and drive through a suburban neighborhood=A0and watch people=A0run an=
d hide=A0--- that's the real test. If you put on that Lil Louis stuff and t=
urned it all the way up and drove down a quiet neighborhood street with you=
r windows rolled down=A0you would see a 60 year grandma on her lawn bobbing=
 her head. That Van Helden shit is So ILL --- you can play that 14 years la=
ter and everybody would go nuts (at almost any club, anywhere in the world)=
=A0-- could you play those lil louis records today to a crowd of twenty-som=
theings? People would be going for a bathroom break 20 seconds into the tra=
ck... c'mon,=A0you know that as well as=A0I do --=A0I love Hip-Hop but I do=
n't
 sit here telling you how dope Kid N Play were back in the days... do I? I =
mean, c'mon

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From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
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Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:00 AM




In a message dated 8/18/2008 8:50:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ashtaerman=
@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Drd05-1Wzji4


that is NYC club house................. extremely commercial house i know i=
 was there when it was first dropped at limelight in the early 90's=20





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your telling me this wasn't commercial?  every commercial DJ in NYC  was 
playing this.............. it was everywhere. and i am done on this  conversation 
cause you have to always be right so ill let you win. 



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It was played=A0everywhere -- every club -- from the corniest to the underg=
round
=A0
that's what I'm saying --=A0is=A0it was universal and is to this day=A0-- s=
ure, after a while people got sick of it.. but still if that occasioanlly c=
omes on now.. everyone is like OH SHIT!!!... you=A0know that! c'mon.
=A0
I don't always have to be right -- I said I liked one of the tracks you pos=
ted -- it was definitely cool -- do you want me to lie and say I like them =
all? (1 out of 4 is a pretty good ratio I think)=A0-- post other stuff too =
if you want, I'll be happy to check it out --- but I can only give my hones=
t opinion. I respect your knowledge of music, I really honestly do=A0 --- a=
nd if you want to post more stuff just for kicks.. I'll be happy to listen =
to it because chances are it=A0may be somehting I might have not heard ... =
and I do appreciate the opportunity to hear anything that I haven't heard b=
efore

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your telling me this wasn't commercial?  every commercial DJ in NYC  was=20
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The party was actually pretty good! I wish Leila's set started earlier cuz
by 5:15 i was DEAD tired. I came just for her set (and her bday!). All in
all i must admit that i had a good time but I think it is because i stayed
sober all night. I will prob go back to exit some time soon.

The only beef i have with Exit is $7 beers and ppl so fucked up they dont
know english anymore. A few times i thought these kids, who were SUPER
dusted, were gonna attack me just because they didnt know what was going on.
And someone took advtange of a sleeping friend of mine (are there no decent
ppl anymore?).

Did anyone else make this event?

/Lou

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> How was this party?  did not even hear anything about it then again  dust
> bunnies are not my friend either :)
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there are a lot of good people left.......... just not at those parties.  
Find a new scene to hang out in. 



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I still hear that song, The Story Continues, played today quite often.?? I love that one, but I? really love the Witch Dockter as well.?? I don't go to any parties any more either. Luckily, I always went to clubs as well so now I just do that. 

Regina

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Just because its a BIG song, doesn't mean it's nssesarily?"commercial" --- 
that's like saying The Beatles or Johnny Cash are commercial just because they 
made it big.?Also, to reference something that is closer to our time, Public 
Enemy sold over 10 million records, put that shit on today, turn it up and drive 
through a suburban neighborhood?and watch people?run and hide?--- that's the 
real test. If you put on that Lil Louis stuff and turned it all the way up and 
drove down a quiet neighborhood street with your windows rolled down?you would 
see a 60 year grandma on her lawn bobbing her head. That Van Helden shit is So 
ILL --- you can play that 14 years later and everybody would go nuts (at almost 
any club, anywhere in the world)?-- could you play those lil louis records today 
to a crowd of twenty-somtheings? People would be going for a bathroom break 20 
seconds into the track... c'mon,?you know that as well as?I do --?I love Hip-Hop 
but I don't
 sit here telling you how dope Kid N Play were back in the days... do I? I mean, 
c'mon

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To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
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Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:00 AM




In a message dated 8/18/2008 8:50:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
ashtaerman@yahoo.com writes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd05-1Wzji4


that is NYC club house................. extremely commercial house i know i was 
there when it was first dropped at limelight in the early 90's 





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From ne-raves-return-4104-ne-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 18 18:20:12 2008
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so....  What happened exactly?

totally disagree on this point man.  You are making it pretty apparent what=
 sort of events you have been to and those you have not. =20
Those tracks are most certainly HOUSE MUSIC.  I'm not dissing your love for=
 van helden or any of the other big room tracks that you, in your head, hav=
e decided are the end-all, be-all of house.  But to say that is all house i=
s, that's to completely discredit the 15 years of house music that came bef=
ore the mid 90s. =20

That makes me feel really sorry for you.  I've seen crowds of 20 soemthins,=
 30 somethings, 40 year old heads gather many hundred strong for no other r=
eason than to throw their fscking hands up to this ish in the middle of an =
afternoon.  To old dusty, warped records by Fingers Inc and to shiny new Ne=
wJack thumpers just out of their cellophane wrappers..  All in the name of =
house music.  None of the people in that crowd cared whether a single demog=
raphic could get down to that music.  They were there just to dance to a st=
yle of music many of us have loved for over a decade.=20

But I guess if you need to get up to use the bathroom because you can't han=
dle these "freestyle" tracks which are actually *house anthems*, well, that=
 just leaves more room on the dance floor for me to get down.=20

-f


--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

If you put on that Lil
> Louis stuff and turned it all the way up and drove down a
> quiet neighborhood street with your windows rolled down=A0you
> would see a 60 year grandma on her lawn bobbing her head.
> That Van Helden shit is So ILL --- you can play that 14
> years later and everybody would go nuts (at almost any club,
> anywhere in the world)=A0-- could you play those lil louis
> records today to a crowd of twenty-somtheings? People would
> be going for a bathroom break 20 seconds into the track...
> c'mon,=A0you know that as well as=A0I do --=A0I love
> Hip-Hop but I don't
>  sit here telling you how dope Kid N Play were back in the
> days... do I? I mean, c'mon
>=20
> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Distort909@aol.com
> <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>=20
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:00 AM
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> In a message dated 8/18/2008 8:50:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time, ashtaerman@yahoo.com writes:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Drd05-1Wzji4
>=20
>=20
> that is NYC club house................. extremely
> commercial house i know i was there when it was first
> dropped at limelight in the early 90's=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
> budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.=0A=0A=0A      

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so....  What happened exactly?

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Dude.. .I never said that other stuff wasn't house music. And trust me -- t=
he last thing you should do is feel sorry for me (maybe if you knew me bett=
er you might feel sorry for yourself... who knows?). I don't have a particu=
lar love for Armand Van Helden or "big room" music -- but I am also not an =
"snob" when it comes to good tracks
=A0
If you want to know=A0what kind of electronic music I like,=A0listen to=A0t=
racks / DJ sets by=A0Robert Armani, Frankie Bones, Terrence Fixmer, Umek=A0=
etc...=A0 I don't particularly=A0like german techno either.. boo hoo hoo.. =
am I not a real techno fan now?
=A0
Just like I am not a fan of Detroit techno either, even Jeff Mills bores me=
 for the most part... and the whole bleep bleep ping ping stuff is wack.. I=
 am also not a fan of freestyle era house music -- what do you want from me=
? You want me to tell you that you are the fucking man because you listen t=
o it and you know everything about it? I am not discounting anything, it wa=
s there, it was an era and it did what it did. I just don't care about it A=
S A FAN, it's not my style. Do you listen to Black Moon, Gza,=A0DITC,=A0Koo=
l G Rap, KRS One, Big Daddy Kane, Gangstarr, OGC, Public Enemy and EPMD? Ha=
ve you ever=A0seen people=A0go crazy at a KRS show? I have.. big shit. Does=
 that make me better than you?=A0Should I feel sorry=A0for you because you =
never saw KRS freestyle for 10 minutes straight off the top fo this head or=
 Crazy Legs do a windmill? Fucking congratulations bro, I am=A0so proud=A0o=
f you IN THE=A0NAME OF HOUSE MUSIC! It's not that I am missing an=A0era, it=
's
 that I just DON'T LIKE that music.=A0I got well over a thousand dance musi=
c records and I don't know the names of 80 percent of them -- you know why?=
 Because I=A0don't care...=A0I play=A0records=A0I HEAR and I like.. it's a =
LISTENING experience -- you want to post some shit,=A0I'll tell you what I =
think -- or if you want=A0hear my mixes I'd be happy to post them and=A0see=
 what you think -- beyond that,=A0don't fucking lecture me on your=A0freest=
yle era bullshit like it's the holy grail of EDM... please=A0
=A0


--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 2:20 PM

totally disagree on this point man.  You are making it pretty apparent what=
 sort
of events you have been to and those you have not. =20
Those tracks are most certainly HOUSE MUSIC.  I'm not dissing your love for
van helden or any of the other big room tracks that you, in your head, have
decided are the end-all, be-all of house.  But to say that is all house is,
that's to completely discredit the 15 years of house music that came before
the mid 90s. =20

That makes me feel really sorry for you.  I've seen crowds of 20 soemthins,
30 somethings, 40 year old heads gather many hundred strong for no other re=
ason
than to throw their fscking hands up to this ish in the middle of an aftern=
oon.=20
To old dusty, warped records by Fingers Inc and to shiny new NewJack thumpe=
rs
just out of their cellophane wrappers..  All in the name of house music.  N=
one
of the people in that crowd cared whether a single demographic could get do=
wn to
that music.  They were there just to dance to a style of music many of us h=
ave
loved for over a decade.=20

But I guess if you need to get up to use the bathroom because you can't
handle these "freestyle" tracks which are actually *house anthems*,
well, that just leaves more room on the dance floor for me to get down.=20

-f


--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

If you put on that Lil
> Louis stuff and turned it all the way up and drove down a
> quiet neighborhood street with your windows rolled down=A0you
> would see a 60 year grandma on her lawn bobbing her head.
> That Van Helden shit is So ILL --- you can play that 14
> years later and everybody would go nuts (at almost any club,
> anywhere in the world)=A0-- could you play those lil louis
> records today to a crowd of twenty-somtheings? People would
> be going for a bathroom break 20 seconds into the track...
> c'mon,=A0you know that as well as=A0I do --=A0I love
> Hip-Hop but I don't
>  sit here telling you how dope Kid N Play were back in the
> days... do I? I mean, c'mon
>=20
> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Distort909@aol.com
> <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>=20
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:00 AM
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> In a message dated 8/18/2008 8:50:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time, ashtaerman@yahoo.com writes:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Drd05-1Wzji4
>=20
>=20
> that is NYC club house................. extremely
> commercial house i know i was there when it was first
> dropped at limelight in the early 90's=20
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I remember reading something a few years back about Alan Sanctuary and wher=
e he was=A0--- I think someone said he moved somewhere? Maybe even another =
country --- I could be wrong, but I think that's what happened -- he moved =
away... not sure where or why...=20

--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: frank_i_s@yahoo.com
Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 2:53 PM







Dude.. .I never said that other stuff wasn't house music. And trust me -- t=
he last thing you should do is feel sorry for me (maybe if you knew me bett=
er you might feel sorry for yourself... who knows?). I don't have a particu=
lar love for Armand Van Helden or "big room" music -- but I am also not an =
"snob" when it comes to good tracks
=A0
If you want to know=A0what kind of electronic music I like,=A0listen to=A0t=
racks / DJ sets by=A0Robert Armani, Frankie Bones, Terrence Fixmer, Umek=A0=
etc...=A0 I don't particularly=A0like german techno either.. boo hoo hoo.. =
am I not a real techno fan now?
=A0
Just like I am not a fan of Detroit techno either, even Jeff Mills bores me=
 for the most part... and the whole bleep bleep ping ping stuff is wack.. I=
 am also not a fan of freestyle era house music -- what do you want from me=
? You want me to tell you that you are the fucking man because you listen t=
o it and you know everything about it? I am not discounting anything, it wa=
s there, it was an era and it did what it did. I just don't care about it A=
S A FAN, it's not my style. Do you listen to Black Moon, Gza,=A0DITC,=A0Koo=
l G Rap, KRS One, Big Daddy Kane, Gangstarr, OGC, Public Enemy and EPMD? Ha=
ve you ever=A0seen people=A0go crazy at a KRS show? I have.. big shit. Does=
 that make me better than you?=A0Should I feel sorry=A0for you because you =
never saw KRS freestyle for 10 minutes straight off the top fo this head or=
 Crazy Legs do a windmill? Fucking congratulations bro, I am=A0so proud=A0o=
f you IN THE=A0NAME OF HOUSE MUSIC! It's not that I am missing an=A0era, it=
's
 that I just DON'T LIKE that music.=A0I got well over a thousand dance musi=
c records and I don't know the names of 80 percent of them -- you know why?=
 Because I=A0don't care...=A0I play=A0records=A0I HEAR and I like.. it's a =
LISTENING experience -- you want to post some shit,=A0I'll tell you what I =
think -- or if you want=A0hear my mixes I'd be happy to post them and=A0see=
 what you think -- beyond that,=A0don't fucking lecture me on your=A0freest=
yle era bullshit like it's the holy grail of EDM... please=A0
=A0


--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 2:20 PM

totally disagree on this point man.  You are making it pretty apparent what=
 sort
of events you have been to and those you have not. =20
Those tracks are most certainly HOUSE MUSIC.  I'm not dissing your love for
van helden or any of the other big room tracks that you, in your head, have
decided are the end-all, be-all of house.  But to say that is all house is,
that's to completely discredit the 15 years of house music that came before
the mid 90s. =20

That makes me feel really sorry for you.  I've seen crowds of 20 soemthins,
30 somethings, 40 year old heads gather many hundred strong for no other re=
ason
than to throw their fscking hands up to this ish in the middle of an aftern=
oon.=20
To old dusty, warped records by Fingers Inc and to shiny new NewJack thumpe=
rs
just out of their cellophane wrappers..  All in the name of house music.  N=
one
of the people in that crowd cared whether a single demographic could get do=
wn to
that music.  They were there just to dance to a style of music many of us h=
ave
loved for over a decade.=20

But I guess if you need to get up to use the bathroom because you can't
handle these "freestyle" tracks which are actually *house anthems*,
well, that just leaves more room on the dance floor for me to get down.=20

-f


--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

If you put on that Lil
> Louis stuff and turned it all the way up and drove down a
> quiet neighborhood street with your windows rolled down=A0you
> would see a 60 year grandma on her lawn bobbing her head.
> That Van Helden shit is So ILL --- you can play that 14
> years later and everybody would go nuts (at almost any club,
> anywhere in the world)=A0-- could you play those lil louis
> records today to a crowd of twenty-somtheings? People would
> be going for a bathroom break 20 seconds into the track...
> c'mon,=A0you know that as well as=A0I do --=A0I love
> Hip-Hop but I don't
>  sit here telling you how dope Kid N Play were back in the
> days... do I? I mean, c'mon
>=20
> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Distort909@aol.com
> <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>=20
> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:00 AM
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> In a message dated 8/18/2008 8:50:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time, ashtaerman@yahoo.com writes:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Drd05-1Wzji4
>=20
>=20
> that is NYC club house................. extremely
> commercial house i know i was there when it was first
> dropped at limelight in the early 90's=20
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quick fun video string ...

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Hi I'm Allison and have been on this list since it merged with NYU-raves.  I
joined nyc-raves in 1997, originally with an am663@columbia.edu address
(Alley69).  I used attend both psy-trance parties and raves (more so), and
did a radio show alternating between techno and psy-trance on Barnard
College's radio station.  I also ran the nyc chapter of DanceSafe until it
folded a couple of years ago.  I haven't partied nearly as much in the last
few years for many of the reasons listed in the prior thread, time, aging
grumpiness, other things to do, uninterested friends.  I miss it deeply at
times.  I'd love to see who else is on this list from way back then.  I also
would like to hear of more parties from this list, it seems rather dead.
Although it's encouraging that a single mention of either dust or candy
ravers still is able to sparks endless fights.  Some things never change.

-Allison
deadlynghtshade@hotmail.com

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Did you know a girl named Mari by any chance?  She was a barnard student round those times who used to party.  We still hang out, go hear music etc, every few months :)

frank



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Hi I'm Allison and have been on this list since it merged with NYU-raves.  I
joined nyc-raves in 1997, originally with an am663@columbia.edu address
(Alley69).  I used attend both psy-trance parties and raves (more so), and
did a radio show alternating between techno and psy-trance on Barnard
College's radio station.  I also ran the nyc chapter of DanceSafe until it
folded a couple of years ago.  I haven't partied nearly as much in the last
few years for many of the reasons listed in the prior thread, time, aging
grumpiness, other things to do, uninterested friends.  I miss it deeply at
times.  I'd love to see who else is on this list from way back then.  I also
would like to hear of more parties from this list, it seems rather dead.
Although it's encouraging that a single mention of either dust or candy
ravers still is able to sparks endless fights.  Some things never change.

-Allison
deadlynghtshade@hotmail.com



      

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Every time I hear the term "candy raver" I just want to get up and yell 
"PLUR!!!"  Hahahaha...

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:59:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>
> Hi I'm Allison and have been on this list since it merged with NYU-raves.  I
> joined nyc-raves in 1997, originally with an am663@columbia.edu address
> (Alley69).  I used attend both psy-trance parties and raves (more so), and
> did a radio show alternating between techno and psy-trance on Barnard
> College's radio station.  I also ran the nyc chapter of DanceSafe until it
> folded a couple of years ago.  I haven't partied nearly as much in the last
> few years for many of the reasons listed in the prior thread, time, aging
> grumpiness, other things to do, uninterested friends.  I miss it deeply at
> times.  I'd love to see who else is on this list from way back then.  I also
> would like to hear of more parties from this list, it seems rather dead.
> Although it's encouraging that a single mention of either dust or candy
> ravers still is able to sparks endless fights.  Some things never change.
>
> -Allison
> deadlynghtshade@hotmail.com
>
>
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Hi Allison McKim !!!  I do remember u :P

itz me.. Andy ( aka duckie ). How it goes ? I haven't gone to any party
since 2005. To be honest I havent been listening to electronica for the past
2 years. I used to listen to dnbradio.net, 247drumandbass.com,
philosomatika.com, psychedelik.com, breaksFM.com and use streamripper to
save all those mp3s.

But for the past 2 years i've been listening to island reggae and hawaiian
music.

Anyways, I just wanted to say hi !

Andy

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:43 AM, C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Every time I hear the term "candy raver" I just want to get up and yell
> "PLUR!!!"  Hahahaha...
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:59:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] well, since everybody's paying attention...
>>
>> Hi I'm Allison and have been on this list since it merged with NYU-raves.
>>  I
>> joined nyc-raves in 1997, originally with an am663@columbia.edu address
>> (Alley69).  I used attend both psy-trance parties and raves (more so), and
>> did a radio show alternating between techno and psy-trance on Barnard
>> College's radio station.  I also ran the nyc chapter of DanceSafe until it
>> folded a couple of years ago.  I haven't partied nearly as much in the
>> last
>> few years for many of the reasons listed in the prior thread, time, aging
>> grumpiness, other things to do, uninterested friends.  I miss it deeply at
>> times.  I'd love to see who else is on this list from way back then.  I
>> also
>> would like to hear of more parties from this list, it seems rather dead.
>> Although it's encouraging that a single mention of either dust or candy
>> ravers still is able to sparks endless fights.  Some things never change.
>>
>> -Allison
>> deadlynghtshade@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Quoting Duckie of North Jersey <imjustawittleduck@gmail.com>:

> Who I miss : all of you and especially KindKidz !   And is Blakkat still
> around ?

Blackkat is still around.  A bit less active this summer though.  Jason is in
school which eats into time.

Segwaying, I used to post here as Mr. Sandman when I was living 
upstate.  Subbed
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so....  What happened exactly?

Quoting LindaLeigh@aol.com:

> I think a lot has to do with the record shops all closing down also. This
> has been a Huge blow to the scene...every week I went to 611 to get
> flyers......now I can hardley find one (there is a HUGE Defcon party 
> with a  great flyer
> - the party is at a club (Transit) Aug 30).
> Yeah we have the net, but that has become so scattered as to where the info
> is. Yes, the Man, overboard partiers and bts etc helped put a bunch of nails
> in,  and the passage of time does change some things, but the music is still
> there -  it's just gotten harder to find a way to enjoy it in a huge 
> dark room
> with other  like minded souls.

The thing is, the closing of the record shops and such came after things went
almost completely south, which I think was 1999.  I think it died because
people just stopped showing up after a number of drug sources were
closed/busted.  Had some fairly high profile international ecstacy 
busts around
then.  Good pills disappeared and so did all the people that went out 
mainly to
get them. That's why I kind of shudder at the revisionist history that 
some put
out regarding drugs.  I just can't see it as coincidental that NYC's 
successful
"rave scene" died at the same time good drugs were harder to find.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so....  What happened exactly?

A lucid thought. Thank you.

*J



lowkey@acidgrave.com wrote:
> Quoting LindaLeigh@aol.com:
>
>> I think a lot has to do with the record shops all closing down also. 
>> This
>> has been a Huge blow to the scene...every week I went to 611 to get
>> flyers......now I can hardley find one (there is a HUGE Defcon party 
>> with a  great flyer
>> - the party is at a club (Transit) Aug 30).
>> Yeah we have the net, but that has become so scattered as to where 
>> the info
>> is. Yes, the Man, overboard partiers and bts etc helped put a bunch 
>> of nails
>> in,  and the passage of time does change some things, but the music 
>> is still
>> there -  it's just gotten harder to find a way to enjoy it in a huge 
>> dark room
>> with other  like minded souls.
>
> The thing is, the closing of the record shops and such came after 
> things went
> almost completely south, which I think was 1999.  I think it died because
> people just stopped showing up after a number of drug sources were
> closed/busted.  Had some fairly high profile international ecstacy 
> busts around
> then.  Good pills disappeared and so did all the people that went out 
> mainly to
> get them. That's why I kind of shudder at the revisionist history that 
> some put
> out regarding drugs.  I just can't see it as coincidental that NYC's 
> successful
> "rave scene" died at the same time good drugs were harder to find.
>

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I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did interest
in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if quality
MDMA made a come back.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:29 PM, <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:

> Quoting LindaLeigh@aol.com:
>
>  I think a lot has to do with the record shops all closing down also. This
>> has been a Huge blow to the scene...every week I went to 611 to get
>> flyers......now I can hardley find one (there is a HUGE Defcon party with
>> a  great flyer
>> - the party is at a club (Transit) Aug 30).
>> Yeah we have the net, but that has become so scattered as to where the
>> info
>> is. Yes, the Man, overboard partiers and bts etc helped put a bunch of
>> nails
>> in,  and the passage of time does change some things, but the music is
>> still
>> there -  it's just gotten harder to find a way to enjoy it in a huge dark
>> room
>> with other  like minded souls.
>>
>
> The thing is, the closing of the record shops and such came after things
> went
> almost completely south, which I think was 1999.  I think it died because
> people just stopped showing up after a number of drug sources were
> closed/busted.  Had some fairly high profile international ecstacy busts
> around
> then.  Good pills disappeared and so did all the people that went out
> mainly to
> get them. That's why I kind of shudder at the revisionist history that some
> put
> out regarding drugs.  I just can't see it as coincidental that NYC's
> successful
> "rave scene" died at the same time good drugs were harder to find.
>
> --
> Low-Key [DeTocs, Septik Nexus]
> http://www.septiknexus.com
> http://www.myspace.com/lowkey75
>
>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so....  What happened exactly?

Really?  Fine, I'll play along:

You're initial mistake is in continuing to refer to it as "freestyle  
era house".  Freestyle and house, while related, are not the same.   
That would be akin to me saying that Big Daddy Kane was Gerardo-era  
rap.  Sure, they have a tenuous relationship, but that's about the  
extent of it.

The "Lil Louis" tangent was condescending, and you know it - that's  
why Frank went off the way he did.  So is the "bleep bleep ping ping  
stuff is wack".  There's nothing wrong with saying a particular style  
doesn't do anything for you.  I'm sure there are people on this list  
who can't stand late 80's/early 90's hip-hop, but you don't hear them  
calling it wack, or old and played out (see: "60 yr old woman bobbing  
her head").  It's a respect thing.  You don't just say you don't like  
something, you say, or imply, that it's not good and people shouldn't  
like it.  I don't know if you do it intentionally or not, but it  
definitely seems like not.

And as far as whipping out your Hip-Hop credentials go, congrats.   
Kool G Rap?  KRS One?  BDK?  Gangstarr?  PE? EPMD?  Check.  Seen'em  
all.  Crazy Legs?  Yup, saw the whole Rock Steady Crew, members of the  
Zulu Kings (Bambatta, too), Fab Five Freddy, Wu-Tang in '93.  It helps  
being the only white kid growing up in North Philly projects.  Does  
that make me  more of a hip hop fan than you?  No.  It just makes me  
sound like an asshole for bringing it all up.  Don't assume that Frank  
(or anyone) has or hasn't done or seen the stuff you have - you'd be  
surprised.  Oh, and just to come off as even more of a dick - Mr.  
Wiggles taught me some moves at a wedding when I was 8 or 9.  Big deal.

In conclusion, chill out.

-j


On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:53 PM, Alex Shtaerman wrote:

> Dude.. .I never said that other stuff wasn't house music. And trust  
> me -- the last thing you should do is feel sorry for me (maybe if  
> you knew me better you might feel sorry for yourself... who knows?).  
> I don't have a particular love for Armand Van Helden or "big room"  
> music -- but I am also not an "snob" when it comes to good tracks
>
> If you want to know what kind of electronic music I like, listen to  
> tracks / DJ sets by Robert Armani, Frankie Bones, Terrence Fixmer,  
> Umek etc...  I don't particularly like german techno either.. boo  
> hoo hoo.. am I not a real techno fan now?
>
> Just like I am not a fan of Detroit techno either, even Jeff Mills  
> bores me for the most part... and the whole bleep bleep ping ping  
> stuff is wack.. I am also not a fan of freestyle era house music --  
> what do you want from me? You want me to tell you that you are the  
> fucking man because you listen to it and you know everything about  
> it? I am not discounting anything, it was there, it was an era and  
> it did what it did. I just don't care about it AS A FAN, it's not my  
> style. Do you listen to Black Moon, Gza, DITC, Kool G Rap, KRS One,  
> Big Daddy Kane, Gangstarr, OGC, Public Enemy and EPMD? Have you ever  
> seen people go crazy at a KRS show? I have.. big shit. Does that  
> make me better than you? Should I feel sorry for you because you  
> never saw KRS freestyle for 10 minutes straight off the top fo this  
> head or Crazy Legs do a windmill? Fucking congratulations bro, I am  
> so proud of you IN THE NAME OF HOUSE MUSIC! It's not that I am  
> missing an era, it's
> that I just DON'T LIKE that music. I got well over a thousand dance  
> music records and I don't know the names of 80 percent of them --  
> you know why? Because I don't care... I play records I HEAR and I  
> like.. it's a LISTENING experience -- you want to post some shit,  
> I'll tell you what I think -- or if you want hear my mixes I'd be  
> happy to post them and see what you think -- beyond that, don't  
> fucking lecture me on your freestyle era bullshit like it's the holy  
> grail of EDM... please
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 2:20 PM
>
> totally disagree on this point man.  You are making it pretty  
> apparent what sort
> of events you have been to and those you have not.
> Those tracks are most certainly HOUSE MUSIC.  I'm not dissing your  
> love for
> van helden or any of the other big room tracks that you, in your  
> head, have
> decided are the end-all, be-all of house.  But to say that is all  
> house is,
> that's to completely discredit the 15 years of house music that came  
> before
> the mid 90s.
>
> That makes me feel really sorry for you.  I've seen crowds of 20  
> soemthins,
> 30 somethings, 40 year old heads gather many hundred strong for no  
> other reason
> than to throw their fscking hands up to this ish in the middle of an  
> afternoon.
> To old dusty, warped records by Fingers Inc and to shiny new NewJack  
> thumpers
> just out of their cellophane wrappers..  All in the name of house  
> music.  None
> of the people in that crowd cared whether a single demographic could  
> get down to
> that music.  They were there just to dance to a style of music many  
> of us have
> loved for over a decade.
>
> But I guess if you need to get up to use the bathroom because you  
> can't
> handle these "freestyle" tracks which are actually *house anthems*,
> well, that just leaves more room on the dance floor for me to get  
> down.
>
> -f
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> If you put on that Lil
>> Louis stuff and turned it all the way up and drove down a
>> quiet neighborhood street with your windows rolled down you
>> would see a 60 year grandma on her lawn bobbing her head.
>> That Van Helden shit is So ILL --- you can play that 14
>> years later and everybody would go nuts (at almost any club,
>> anywhere in the world) -- could you play those lil louis
>> records today to a crowd of twenty-somtheings? People would
>> be going for a bathroom break 20 seconds into the track...
>> c'mon, you know that as well as I do -- I love
>> Hip-Hop but I don't
>> sit here telling you how dope Kid N Play were back in the
>> days... do I? I mean, c'mon
>>
>> --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Distort909@aol.com
>> <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
>> To: ashtaerman@yahoo.com
>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:00 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/18/2008 8:50:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight
>> Time, ashtaerman@yahoo.com writes:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd05-1Wzji4
>>
>>
>> that is NYC club house................. extremely
>> commercial house i know i was there when it was first
>> dropped at limelight in the early 90's
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
>> budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.
>
>
>
>
>
>


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There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by the
local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.
Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been hostile
to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000, which
was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but was
big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the line
for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores was
after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
would stay dead.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It Circuit <
jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:

> I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did interest
> in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if quality
> MDMA made a come back.
>

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FUCKIN AMEN!!!!


--- On Tue, 8/19/08, lowkey@acidgrave.com <lowkey@acidgrave.com> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
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Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 12:29 PM

Quoting LindaLeigh@aol.com:

> I think a lot has to do with the record shops all closing down also. This
> has been a Huge blow to the scene...every week I went to 611 to get
> flyers......now I can hardley find one (there is a HUGE Defcon party 
> with a  great flyer
> - the party is at a club (Transit) Aug 30).
> Yeah we have the net, but that has become so scattered as to where the
info
> is. Yes, the Man, overboard partiers and bts etc helped put a bunch of
nails
> in,  and the passage of time does change some things, but the music is
still
> there -  it's just gotten harder to find a way to enjoy it in a huge 
> dark room
> with other  like minded souls.

The thing is, the closing of the record shops and such came after things went
almost completely south, which I think was 1999.  I think it died because
people just stopped showing up after a number of drug sources were
closed/busted.  Had some fairly high profile international ecstacy 
busts around
then.  Good pills disappeared and so did all the people that went out 
mainly to
get them. That's why I kind of shudder at the revisionist history that 
some put
out regarding drugs.  I just can't see it as coincidental that NYC's 
successful
"rave scene" died at the same time good drugs were harder to find.

-- 
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I think it truly sad to say that the survival of our scene depends on good drugs.............. if that is the case i rather it stay small then infested with idiots who just want to bastardize if to get high. It should be about the music & the dancing?& the socializing........... everything else should just be an added effect.

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There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
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would stay dead.

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> I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did interest
> in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if quality
> MDMA made a come back.
>


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I hate to get in the middle of this but IMO you all are acting like a bunch
of snobs.

I am in no way an expert on music. house, break beatz, techno, bla bla bla
bla bla, all are different in their way but its all the same. No matter
where you go, what type of party it is, or who is there, everyone is there
for the same reason. to enjoy the music and to have a good time. it is
snobby jerk off's like some of you who make people feel bad for enjoying
music. just because i cant tell the difference between freestyle and house
(or whatever) doesnt mean that im an idiot.

all of you sitting at your computers having a flame war over a song and its
spiraling into stupid bull shit. i would go through this whole thread and
find my favorite, most-retarded quotes but its not even worth it.

get off the chair and go party. or do some community service.

i mean, c'mon.

/Lou

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:22 PM, <distort909@aol.com> wrote:

>
> I think it truly sad to say that the survival of our scene depends on good
> drugs.............. if that is the case i rather it stay small then infested
> with idiots who just want to bastardize if to get high. It should be about
> the music & the dancing?& the socializing........... everything else should
> just be an added effect.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 1:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
>
>
>
> There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
> effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
> RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
> anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
> building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by the
> local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.
> Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been hostile
> to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000, which
> was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
> introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
> prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but was
> big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the
> line
> for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores was
> after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
> would stay dead.
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It Circuit <
> jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did
> interest
> > in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if
> quality
> > MDMA made a come back.
> >
>
>


-- 
/lou

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PS -
Eric Serpentini   you should have known better than to start a topic like
this!!!!!!!!!!!! just the nature of the thread you started should tell you
why the scene is dying/dead. these kids are snobs. most DJ's or MC'd i meet
are snobs. everyone has this "im better than u attitude" and that is what is
killing the scene. get out and party with your brothers and sisters and stop
being whiney bitches!
/lou
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:40 PM, lou <lou420@gmail.com> wrote:

> I hate to get in the middle of this but IMO you all are acting like a bunch
> of snobs.
>
> I am in no way an expert on music. house, break beatz, techno, bla bla bla
> bla bla, all are different in their way but its all the same. No matter
> where you go, what type of party it is, or who is there, everyone is there
> for the same reason. to enjoy the music and to have a good time. it is
> snobby jerk off's like some of you who make people feel bad for enjoying
> music. just because i cant tell the difference between freestyle and house
> (or whatever) doesnt mean that im an idiot.
>
> all of you sitting at your computers having a flame war over a song and its
> spiraling into stupid bull shit. i would go through this whole thread and
> find my favorite, most-retarded quotes but its not even worth it.
>
> get off the chair and go party. or do some community service.
>
> i mean, c'mon.
>
> /Lou
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:22 PM, <distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think it truly sad to say that the survival of our scene depends on good
>> drugs.............. if that is the case i rather it stay small then infested
>> with idiots who just want to bastardize if to get high. It should be about
>> the music & the dancing?& the socializing........... everything else should
>> just be an added effect.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 1:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
>>
>>
>>
>> There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
>> effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
>> RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
>> anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
>> building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by the
>> local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.
>> Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been
>> hostile
>> to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000, which
>> was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
>> introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
>> prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but was
>> big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the
>> line
>> for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores
>> was
>> after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
>> would stay dead.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It Circuit <
>> jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did
>> interest
>> > in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if
>> quality
>> > MDMA made a come back.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> /lou
>



-- 
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?

I can remember when this list consisted of JUST us snobs.
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>I hate to get in the middle of this but IMO you all are acting like a bunch
> of snobs.
>
> I am in no way an expert on music. house, break beatz, techno, bla bla bla
> bla bla, all are different in their way but its all the same. No matter
> where you go, what type of party it is, or who is there, everyone is there
> for the same reason. to enjoy the music and to have a good time. it is
> snobby jerk off's like some of you who make people feel bad for enjoying
> music. just because i cant tell the difference between freestyle and house
> (or whatever) doesnt mean that im an idiot.
>
> all of you sitting at your computers having a flame war over a song and 
> its
> spiraling into stupid bull shit. i would go through this whole thread and
> find my favorite, most-retarded quotes but its not even worth it.
>
> get off the chair and go party. or do some community service.
>
> i mean, c'mon.
>
> /Lou
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:22 PM, <distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think it truly sad to say that the survival of our scene depends on 
>> good
>> drugs.............. if that is the case i rather it stay small then 
>> infested
>> with idiots who just want to bastardize if to get high. It should be 
>> about
>> the music & the dancing?& the socializing........... everything else 
>> should
>> just be an added effect.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>> Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 1:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
>>
>>
>>
>> There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
>> effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
>> RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
>> anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
>> building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by 
>> the
>> local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.
>> Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been 
>> hostile
>> to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000, 
>> which
>> was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
>> introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
>> prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but 
>> was
>> big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the
>> line
>> for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores 
>> was
>> after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
>> would stay dead.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It Circuit <
>> jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did
>> interest
>> > in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if
>> quality
>> > MDMA made a come back.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> /lou
> 


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P.S. I am just kidding.
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>I can remember when this list consisted of JUST us snobs.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "lou" <lou420@gmail.com>
> To: <distort909@aol.com>
> Cc: <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:40 PM
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>
>
>>I hate to get in the middle of this but IMO you all are acting like a 
>>bunch
>> of snobs.
>>
>> I am in no way an expert on music. house, break beatz, techno, bla bla 
>> bla
>> bla bla, all are different in their way but its all the same. No matter
>> where you go, what type of party it is, or who is there, everyone is 
>> there
>> for the same reason. to enjoy the music and to have a good time. it is
>> snobby jerk off's like some of you who make people feel bad for enjoying
>> music. just because i cant tell the difference between freestyle and 
>> house
>> (or whatever) doesnt mean that im an idiot.
>>
>> all of you sitting at your computers having a flame war over a song and 
>> its
>> spiraling into stupid bull shit. i would go through this whole thread and
>> find my favorite, most-retarded quotes but its not even worth it.
>>
>> get off the chair and go party. or do some community service.
>>
>> i mean, c'mon.
>>
>> /Lou
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:22 PM, <distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think it truly sad to say that the survival of our scene depends on 
>>> good
>>> drugs.............. if that is the case i rather it stay small then 
>>> infested
>>> with idiots who just want to bastardize if to get high. It should be 
>>> about
>>> the music & the dancing?& the socializing........... everything else 
>>> should
>>> just be an added effect.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
>>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>> Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 1:15 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
>>> effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like 
>>> the
>>> RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
>>> anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
>>> building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by 
>>> the
>>> local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.
>>> Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been 
>>> hostile
>>> to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000, 
>>> which
>>> was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
>>> introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
>>> prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but 
>>> was
>>> big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the
>>> line
>>> for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores 
>>> was
>>> after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
>>> would stay dead.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It Circuit <
>>> jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did
>>> interest
>>> > in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if
>>> quality
>>> > MDMA made a come back.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> /lou
>>
>
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It's funny because this all stemmed from the pills/BTS discussion.

EMac

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:

> omg people on the list are actually having an articulate, passionate
> discussion about music instead of how pills or BTS ruined the scene.
> MAKE IT STOP.  Lets talk more about how the brown acid at Brass monkey
> signalled the death of Kliprock's crew instead.
> -f
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: lou <lou420@gmail.com>
> To: distort909@aol.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:40:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
>
> I hate to get in the middle of this but IMO you all are acting like a bunch
> of snobs.
>
> I am in no way an expert on music. house, break beatz, techno, bla bla bla
> bla bla, all are different in their way but its all the same. No matter
> where you go, what type of party it is, or who is there, everyone is there
> for the same reason. to enjoy the music and to have a good time. it is
> snobby jerk off's like some of you who make people feel bad for enjoying
> music. just because i cant tell the difference between freestyle and house
> (or whatever) doesnt mean that im an idiot.
>
> all of you sitting at your computers having a flame war over a song and its
> spiraling into stupid bull shit. i would go through this whole thread and
> find my favorite, most-retarded quotes but its not even worth it.
>
> get off the chair and go party. or do some community service.
>
> i mean, c'mon.
>
> /Lou
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:22 PM, <distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I think it truly sad to say that the survival of our scene depends on
> good
> > drugs.............. if that is the case i rather it stay small then
> infested
> > with idiots who just want to bastardize if to get high. It should be
> about
> > the music & the dancing?& the socializing........... everything else
> should
> > just be an added effect.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
> > To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> > Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 1:15 pm
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
> >
> >
> >
> > There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
> > effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
> > RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
> > anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
> > building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by
> the
> > local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.
> > Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been
> hostile
> > to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000,
> which
> > was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
> > introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
> > prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but
> was
> > big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the
> > line
> > for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores
> was
> > after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
> > would stay dead.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It Circuit <
> > jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did
> > interest
> > > in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if
> > quality
> > > MDMA made a come back.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> /lou
>
>
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To be honest -- for the most part I hate the "social" aspect -- I stopped g=
oing out when I realied that I would go somewhere and know a lot of the peo=
ple there -- that bothers me. It's much better when It's annonymous... you =
go out, dance, enjoy the music and talk to random people if you so choose, =
you express yourself freely like noone is watching you=A0-- once you know w=
ho's going to be at the party, it's not the same experience... it's no long=
er as free ...=A0 I know many people feel the opposite but I loved going ou=
t and not knowing anyone. I never tried to make friends in the rave scene=
=A0because I always thought of it as a sanctuary and an escape from "social=
 elements" -- if I met people, they would be random or in my life for brief=
 periods, and that's how I liked it. When the scene got too small that was =
no longer possible... I actually scan parties all the time and try to find =
events where I think there will be the least amount of people I know..
 because then I can actually enjoy myself how I want to=A0and do=A0100% wha=
t I feel...=A0 parties/social aspect kills it for me... because if I am=A0g=
oing to be social I would rather be social with my regular friends... havin=
g extra friends/people you know at parties just amounts to=A0more shit=A0to=
 do and think about .. I want to party... not=A0think about who I'm going t=
o=A0talk to or bump into next=A0=20

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, distort909@aol.com <distort909@aol.com> wrote:

From: distort909@aol.com <distort909@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 1:22 PM

I think it truly sad to say that the survival of our scene depends on good
drugs.............. if that is the case i rather it stay small then infeste=
d
with idiots who just want to bastardize if to get high. It should be about =
the
music & the dancing?& the socializing........... everything else should
just be an added effect.

-----Original Message-----
From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?



There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by the
local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.
Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been hostile
to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000, which
was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but was
big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the lin=
e
for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores was
after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
would stay dead.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It Circuit <
jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:

> I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did interes=
t
> in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if
quality
> MDMA made a come back.
>

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After the RAVE act went into effect a lot of the partying moved into
people's home, the scene could have easily sustained in these smaller more
intimate venues if it wasn't for the quality of the drugs declining.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com> wrote:

> There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
> effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
> RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.  In NYC, I think the
> anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
> building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by the
> local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.
> Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been hostile
> to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000, which
> was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
> introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
> prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but was
> big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the
> line
> for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores was
> after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
> would stay dead.
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It Circuit <
> jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy pills declined, so did
> interest
> > in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if the scene would revive if
> quality
> > MDMA made a come back.
> >
>



-- 
KeNNy!
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Quoting Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>:

> There is some truth to this, but I would not underestimate the enormous
> effect of anti-nightlife policing and national anti-rave efforts like the
> RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.

It's over-hyped and gets more blame than it deserves.  There have been no
shortage of concerts, either in NYC or around the north-east, that are
well-known drug fests.  Yet, they continue to go off.  If it was truly local
anti-nightlife and anti-drug taskforces having a big effect, these 
things would
have been hit in the same way and disappeared as well.  But, they didn't.  My
hunch is that the reason they didn't go away is because people don't hit them
up solely for the drugs.  A lot of ravers were the for just that.  That 
doesn't
really bother me.  But, it seems to be something that gets swept under 
the rug a
lot.  As for the RAVE Act, that didn't come to be until after 2002.  
And, if I'm
not mistaken, nobody in the NYC area has ever been prosecuted under it.  In
fact, the only prosecution I know of that is even somewhat related occurred in
New Orleans under the Federal Crackhouse law, which failed in the end.

> In NYC, I think the
> anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of regulatory enforcement (from
> building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a concerted campaign by the
> local government to end electronic dance music-centered events/venues.

It's been reported as that.  But, that's not really what happened.  If 
you note
where cabaret licenses, noise ordinances, etc. were enforced by the city, it
was in areas that had basically gentrified and had high property values.  The
new money residents didn't want their property values to go down, and neither
did the city.  Thus, when hedonistic nightlife was noticable in the area, they
shut it down.  It keeps the residents happy by protecting their 
investments and
the city happy by protecting their tax base.  Elsewhere in the city, you could
still throw a large noisey warehouse party stufed to the gills provided the
local cops were getting their graft. Still works this way now.  So, I don't
disagree with you in that such efforts forced events to move to 
different areas
and made things dificult for people to throw raves in certain areas.  I just
don't think the goal of the city was specifically geared towards EDM.

> Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this, although NYC has been hostile
> to nightlife for a long time.  But it really accelerated after 2000, which
> was when the federal prosecutions of rave promoters stepped up.  The
> introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the failure of these
> prosecutions.

Do you know of any federal prosecutions in NYC related to the Amber 
Alert law or
the Crackhouse law?  Not saying it didn't happen but I'm pretty sure it never
did.  Reason being it's actually REALLY hard to prosecute someone with, as
intent is a necesary element which is dificult to prove.  This law really just
served as a means to up the charges against event organizers who they nailed
selling drugs through their venues, like Gatien.

> The re-named RAVE act was passed in spring of 2003, but was
> big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters whose money was on the line
> for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that closing of the stores was
> after the scene started to die.  However, that only helped to ensure it
> would stay dead.

The stores closing were likely a combination of a number of things.  
One was the
flight from the scene of people who were really just their for the 
drugs.  That
caused a number of hobbyist DJs to leave as well which cut into their market
unfortunately.  Another was that many NYC techno vinyl shops over-specialized
themselves to death.  I pretty much stopped shopping at all of them by 1999 as
a direct result of this.  I could spend hours at one, and be lucky to 
walk away
with 5 records that I liked, largely due tot he fact that their catalogs had
become dominated by one particular sound that the proprietors liked best.  The
third arguable reason was the advent of digital technology and sales.  Once it
became affordable, I made the jump as I had all the access to the music I
wanted without having to waste hours in local shops to find practically
nothing.  For a number of the shops that closed, they seemed to make the
mistake of dictating what their market could by rather than listening to what
their market wanted to buy.  I used to drop up to $300-$400 at a time in these
shops, only to later walk away often maxing at $24.  It wasn't because I
stopped playing or because good music no longer came out.  It was because the
stores stopped stocking a lot of the stuff I enjoyed.




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http://www.dustinland.com/archives/archives347.html


--- On Tue, 8/19/08, -=GuS=- <gusman21@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: -=GuS=- <gusman21@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
> To: "lou" <lou420@gmail.com>, distort909@aol.com
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 1:48 PM
> I can remember when this list consisted of JUST us snobs.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "lou" <lou420@gmail.com>
> To: <distort909@aol.com>
> Cc: <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
> 
> 
> >I hate to get in the middle of this but IMO you all are
> acting like a bunch
> > of snobs.
> >
> > I am in no way an expert on music. house, break beatz,
> techno, bla bla bla
> > bla bla, all are different in their way but its all
> the same. No matter
> > where you go, what type of party it is, or who is
> there, everyone is there
> > for the same reason. to enjoy the music and to have a
> good time. it is
> > snobby jerk off's like some of you who make people
> feel bad for enjoying
> > music. just because i cant tell the difference between
> freestyle and house
> > (or whatever) doesnt mean that im an idiot.
> >
> > all of you sitting at your computers having a flame
> war over a song and 
> > its
> > spiraling into stupid bull shit. i would go through
> this whole thread and
> > find my favorite, most-retarded quotes but its not
> even worth it.
> >
> > get off the chair and go party. or do some community
> service.
> >
> > i mean, c'mon.
> >
> > /Lou
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:22 PM,
> <distort909@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I think it truly sad to say that the survival of
> our scene depends on 
> >> good
> >> drugs.............. if that is the case i rather
> it stay small then 
> >> infested
> >> with idiots who just want to bastardize if to get
> high. It should be 
> >> about
> >> the music & the dancing?& the
> socializing........... everything else 
> >> should
> >> just be an added effect.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Allison McKim <alleyruth@gmail.com>
> >> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> >> Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 1:15 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened
> exactly?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There is some truth to this, but I would not
> underestimate the enormous
> >> effect of anti-nightlife policing and national
> anti-rave efforts like the
> >> RAVE Act.  This all happened around the same time.
>  In NYC, I think the
> >> anti-nightlife policing and vigorous use of
> regulatory enforcement (from
> >> building codes to the cabaret law) was part of a
> concerted campaign by 
> >> the
> >> local government to end electronic dance
> music-centered events/venues.
> >> Also, 1999 was the very early stages of this,
> although NYC has been 
> >> hostile
> >> to nightlife for a long time.  But it really
> accelerated after 2000, 
> >> which
> >> was when the federal prosecutions of rave
> promoters stepped up.  The
> >> introduction of RAVE act to congress followed the
> failure of these
> >> prosecutions.  The re-named RAVE act was passed in
> spring of 2003, but 
> >> was
> >> big news in the scene and I imaging to promoters
> whose money was on the
> >> line
> >> for about 2 years before that.  I agree that that
> closing of the stores 
> >> was
> >> after the scene started to die.  However, that
> only helped to ensure it
> >> would stay dead.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM, The Work It
> Circuit <
> >> jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I second that, when the quality of Ecstasy
> pills declined, so did
> >> interest
> >> > in the scene.  I wouldn't be surprised if
> the scene would revive if
> >> quality
> >> > MDMA made a come back.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > /lou
> > 
> 
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Quoting lou <lou420@gmail.com>:

> PS -
> Eric Serpentini   you should have known better than to start a topic like
> this!!!!!!!!!!!! just the nature of the thread you started should tell you
> why the scene is dying/dead. these kids are snobs. most DJ's or MC'd i meet
> are snobs. everyone has this "im better than u attitude" and that is what is
> killing the scene. get out and party with your brothers and sisters and stop
> being whiney bitches!

There are snobs surrounding every form of entertainment or art.  However, they
never manage to kill any scene if people are actually into the art.  They're
usually pretty easy to ignore then.  The only reason you may think they've
contributed to the death of this scene is because, when there was a big exodus
of people away from it, they were often the louder and more noticable 
voices. But, the perceived death is really from the loss of people, 
which happened
right around the time that drugs went bad.  Again, I don't really have any
problem with the people who showed up just to get high, especially if they
could do it without making it anyone else's problem.  But, for years, it just
doesn't get acknowledged, or is rewritten.  There's still people that 
subscribe
to the idea that we shouldn't talk about it at all because it makes us 
look bad
to the media, which I think is a joke.  If anything, it should be 
discussed for
what it was so, as this moves forward, mistakes aren't repeated in the 
future. The culture was absolutely to blame as none of us really 
thought that hard
about the repercussions of being so tolerant of drugs, especially since for
many they were a huge part of what made it good for them in addition to 
the art
and socialization.  But, the attitudes surrounding drugs made it very easy for
promoters looking to cash in to market to a crowd looking only for drugs.  The
media helped the narrative that the parties were very much about drugs, which
helped attract even more of a "drugs only" element.  Many of the people I met
who were part of that element were very nice and definitely got into the
culture while there.  But, when the drugs dried up, they disappeared.  Most
moved on to the clubs if they bothered at all.

-- 
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what are you talking about?I called people who only go out for drugs &  not 
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im fine with old rave crews being a thing of the past....... I am with what  
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And what are they doing?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:29 PM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:

> im fine with old rave crews being a thing of the past....... I am with what
> the next generation kids are doing.
>
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check it out for yourself
 
_http://www.minitekfestival.com/_ (http://www.minitekfestival.com/) 
 
 
 
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I must be missing something because it doesn't look any different than other
events I've gone too.  But it does look like a good event run by people who
know what they're doing.

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:

> check it out for yourself
>
> _http://www.minitekfestival.com/_ (http://www.minitekfestival.com/)
>
>
>
> _www.santospartyhouse.com_ (http://www.santospartyhouse.com)
>
>
>
> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your
> travel
> deal here.
> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
>



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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?

Quoting The Work It Circuit <jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com>:

> I must be missing something because it doesn't look any different than other
> events I've gone too.  But it does look like a good event run by people who
> know what they're doing.

There's definitely been some tweaks to it with the younger crowd.  But, not
ridiculous ones.  Either way, a fair difference is that they are doing
something, compared to the geezers I know who basically do a whole lot of
nothing and started canniablizing each other over everything that used to be
involved in this BS. ;)

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I agree, doesnt look any different than any other festi but I suppose I will
go since I am pretty local.

I cant wait to experience the "revolution" that this party is gonna be O.o

'/Lou

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:59 AM, The Work It Circuit <
jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:

> I must be missing something because it doesn't look any different than
> other
> events I've gone too.  But it does look like a good event run by people who
> know what they're doing.
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > check it out for yourself
> >
> > _http://www.minitekfestival.com/_ (http://www.minitekfestival.com/)
> >
> >
> >
> > _www.santospartyhouse.com_ (http://www.santospartyhouse.com)
> >
> >
> >
> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your
> > travel
> > deal here.
> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
> >
>
>
>
> --
> KeNNy!
> AIM: Munkeybuttt
> Yahoo Mess: Jungleboogiemonster
> http://ghetto.hjsoft.com
>



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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?

what is the big deal?????.... am i missing something .... this event  
is 80+ dollars a ticket....  yikes
On Aug 20, 2008, at 12:27 PM, lou wrote:

> I agree, doesnt look any different than any other festi but I  
> suppose I will
> go since I am pretty local.
>
> I cant wait to experience the "revolution" that this party is gonna  
> be O.o
>
> '/Lou
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:59 AM, The Work It Circuit <
> jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I must be missing something because it doesn't look any different  
>> than
>> other
>> events I've gone too.  But it does look like a good event run by  
>> people who
>> know what they're doing.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> check it out for yourself
>>>
>>> _http://www.minitekfestival.com/_ (http://www.minitekfestival.com/)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _www.santospartyhouse.com_ (http://www.santospartyhouse.com)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find  
>>> your
>>> travel
>>> deal here.
>>> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> KeNNy!
>> AIM: Munkeybuttt
>> Yahoo Mess: Jungleboogiemonster
>> http://ghetto.hjsoft.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> /lou


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its a 3 day festival with music that does not play in nyc often........... 
 
people paid 60 to see crap van dyk last weekend that's 60 for one  
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There are a lot of names on there that I don't see around the mid-atlantic
region and I know there's been complaints from the DC crowd about how
stagnant line ups have become, and really, they have stagnated.

It is nice to see a new lineup.

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:50 PM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:

> its a 3 day festival with music that does not play in nyc often...........
>
> people paid 60 to see crap van dyk last weekend that's 60 for one
> dj........... i think 80 for a 3 day festival isnt bad at  all.
>
>
>
> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your
> travel
> deal here.
> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
>



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Yea.. I think it's kinda wack... sorry
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Bleep Bleep Hawtin is playing... can't mist that... I bet that guy can prog=
ram a killer ringtone

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Ok so.... What happened exactly?
To: "lou" <lou420@gmail.com>
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Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 12:46 PM

what is the big deal?????.... am i missing something .... this event =20
is 80+ dollars a ticket....  yikes
On Aug 20, 2008, at 12:27 PM, lou wrote:

> I agree, doesnt look any different than any other festi but I =20
> suppose I will
> go since I am pretty local.
>
> I cant wait to experience the "revolution" that this party is
gonna =20
> be O.o
>
> '/Lou
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:59 AM, The Work It Circuit <
> jungleboogiemonster@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I must be missing something because it doesn't look any different=20

>> than
>> other
>> events I've gone too.  But it does look like a good event run by =20
>> people who
>> know what they're doing.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> check it out for yourself
>>>
>>> _http://www.minitekfestival.com/_
(http://www.minitekfestival.com/)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _www.santospartyhouse.com_ (http://www.santospartyhouse.com)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to
go. Find =20
>>> your
>>> travel
>>> deal here.
>>>
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=3Daoltrv00050000000047)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> KeNNy!
>> AIM: Munkeybuttt
>> Yahoo Mess: Jungleboogiemonster
>> http://ghetto.hjsoft.com
>>
>
>
>
> --=20
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santo's is fun!

The Work It Circuit wrote:
> I must be missing something because it doesn't look any different than other
> events I've gone too.  But it does look like a good event run by people who
> know what they're doing.
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM, <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
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>   
>> check it out for yourself
>>
>> _http://www.minitekfestival.com/_ (http://www.minitekfestival.com/)
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 Hi Everyone,

My name is Pete and I live in Rhode Island. I subscribed to this list and the Boston raves listed back in 2000. Which is when I started going to parties. My love for the music started when I bought the Hackers Soundtrack in 1999, which was better than the movie itself. After that I eventually bought my DJ equipment and the rest is history. The first rave party I went to was in Fall River, MA back in 2000. It's been a couple of years now since I been to a rave but I still love the music and still spin. Some artists that have inspired me are Underworld, The Prodigy, The Chemical Brothers, Faithless, Juno Reactor, Orbital, Cygnus X, Infected Mushroom, and the list could go on and on.


 
Recently, I joined this list again to find about some good raves, meet some new peeps, and maybe get some people together who would want to create one with me.

Peace Out,
Pete


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian <kelloggnyc02@yahoo.com>
To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
Sent: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?










Hi all,

My name is Brian and I live in Manhattan.  I've only been on this list for a 
little bit but have been involved with the scene since 1991.  Most of my time 
was on the Fl-raves and Se-raves mailing lists although I think I was on this 
one for a little while a few years back.  

While I've never stopped listening to the music (I love the stuff on Armin Van 
Buuren's "A State of Trance" radio show), its a lot harder to get to events 
these days.  I am very excited to go to PVD at Pier 54 tomorrow - his shows in 
Central Park were really good the last couple of years.  

Take care,
-Brian






----- Original Message ----
From: lou <lou420@gmail.com>
To: C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:58:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?

I guess I will follow suit...

My name is Lou I am from Somerville NJ. I have been a troll on this list for
a few years and i've been partying about the same amount of time.

I've been realizing recently that I know a lot more people in the scene than
i thought.

Anyone else from central jersey?

ttyl!

/Lou

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:26 AM, C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since everyone's getting in on this introduction thing...  I'm Carlton, aka
> C4.  Currently residing in Troy, NY, aka the Troylet.  Listened to shit
> music straight up until college (no high school kid really knows any better
> in bumfuck, NY) where I escaped to Jerz and fell hard into Trance and House,
> with an expansion of interest in most of the rest of the electronic spectrum
> thereafter.  While I'm still a huge trancehead, I love DnB, some good
> tech-house, and have somewhat of a minimal techno leaning these days as
> well. ... I have DJed.  I've mostly done house, because that's what was
> requested of me, but I'll do any electronic, really.  Just nothing too
> cheesed or too pop-ish. ... I like to make uplifting trance mixes and like
> to put  them on piratebay so that people other than myself listen to them.
>  You can get them by searching for "C4" on piratebay, or through my MySpace
> music <http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> page <
> http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> (<-- that's a link!  You want to
> click it!  It's so bright and shiny!  So bright and shiny!!!). ... I can
> cook.  Really well. ... I only told you that last part as a half-assed
> effort to make this uncomfortably sound like a personal ad. ... If I was a
> gnome, my name would be sassafras and I'd have the power to melt polyester
> with my mind.
>
> In any event, I'm more or less in hibernation finishing up my PhD in
> Biology, after which I plan on using my PhD to leech money from this
> capitalist society while I reinvent myself in order to do something I
> actually enjoy.
>
> That's me.
> -C4
>
>
> LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Yo yo yo all !
>>  I better switch to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (
>> I Love this thing, anyone have one? 2.0 jb baby!
>> So many familiar faces :)
>> Frank!!!!  Howz med school, er, you're probably a real Doc by now i
>>  guess, right ?
>> Yes, we need to go out - damz, i just spun at this outdoor thing for
>> Wiggle  a few weeks ago, There's lots of fun stuff going on in Philly, UG
>> raves and  all.
>> let's party!
>>  Linda
>> --------------------
>> _www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http://www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com) Live
>> videomixshow with chat every Saturday from 1pm to 3pm ET on
>> _www.massivegroove.com_ (http://www.massivegroove.com)
>>
>>
>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
>> budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.      (
>> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017)
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
/lou



 


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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?

yeah so hey everyone.  i'm sean and i just moved to the bronx.  prior,  
i was born and raised in denver, co and had lived there my entire  
life.  in denver i was big into the scene for about 2 years, then  
faded away for a while, and recently got back in.  and following suite


On 20Aug, 2008, at 2:41 PM, djillum1111@aol.com wrote:

>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> My name is Pete and I live in Rhode Island. I subscribed to this  
> list and the Boston raves listed back in 2000. Which is when I  
> started going to parties. My love for the music started when I  
> bought the Hackers Soundtrack in 1999, which was better than the  
> movie itself. After that I eventually bought my DJ equipment and the  
> rest is history. The first rave party I went to was in Fall River,  
> MA back in 2000. It's been a couple of years now since I been to a  
> rave but I still love the music and still spin. Some artists that  
> have inspired me are Underworld, The Prodigy, The Chemical Brothers,  
> Faithless, Juno Reactor, Orbital, Cygnus X, Infected Mushroom, and  
> the list could go on and on.
>
>
>
> Recently, I joined this list again to find about some good raves,  
> meet some new peeps, and maybe get some people together who would  
> want to create one with me.
>
> Peace Out,
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian <kelloggnyc02@yahoo.com>
> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 9:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My name is Brian and I live in Manhattan.  I've only been on this  
> list for a
> little bit but have been involved with the scene since 1991.  Most  
> of my time
> was on the Fl-raves and Se-raves mailing lists although I think I  
> was on this
> one for a little while a few years back.
>
> While I've never stopped listening to the music (I love the stuff on  
> Armin Van
> Buuren's "A State of Trance" radio show), its a lot harder to get to  
> events
> these days.  I am very excited to go to PVD at Pier 54 tomorrow -  
> his shows in
> Central Park were really good the last couple of years.
>
> Take care,
> -Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: lou <lou420@gmail.com>
> To: C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com>
> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:58:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?
>
> I guess I will follow suit...
>
> My name is Lou I am from Somerville NJ. I have been a troll on this  
> list for
> a few years and i've been partying about the same amount of time.
>
> I've been realizing recently that I know a lot more people in the  
> scene than
> i thought.
>
> Anyone else from central jersey?
>
> ttyl!
>
> /Lou
>
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:26 AM, C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Since everyone's getting in on this introduction thing...  I'm  
>> Carlton, aka
>> C4.  Currently residing in Troy, NY, aka the Troylet.  Listened to  
>> shit
>> music straight up until college (no high school kid really knows  
>> any better
>> in bumfuck, NY) where I escaped to Jerz and fell hard into Trance  
>> and House,
>> with an expansion of interest in most of the rest of the electronic  
>> spectrum
>> thereafter.  While I'm still a huge trancehead, I love DnB, some good
>> tech-house, and have somewhat of a minimal techno leaning these  
>> days as
>> well. ... I have DJed.  I've mostly done house, because that's what  
>> was
>> requested of me, but I'll do any electronic, really.  Just nothing  
>> too
>> cheesed or too pop-ish. ... I like to make uplifting trance mixes  
>> and like
>> to put  them on piratebay so that people other than myself listen  
>> to them.
>> You can get them by searching for "C4" on piratebay, or through my  
>> MySpace
>> music <http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> page <
>> http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> (<-- that's a link!  You want to
>> click it!  It's so bright and shiny!  So bright and shiny!!!). ...  
>> I can
>> cook.  Really well. ... I only told you that last part as a half- 
>> assed
>> effort to make this uncomfortably sound like a personal ad. ... If  
>> I was a
>> gnome, my name would be sassafras and I'd have the power to melt  
>> polyester
>> with my mind.
>>
>> In any event, I'm more or less in hibernation finishing up my PhD in
>> Biology, after which I plan on using my PhD to leech money from this
>> capitalist society while I reinvent myself in order to do something I
>> actually enjoy.
>>
>> That's me.
>> -C4
>>
>>
>> LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yo yo yo all !
>>> I better switch to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (
>>> I Love this thing, anyone have one? 2.0 jb baby!
>>> So many familiar faces :)
>>> Frank!!!!  Howz med school, er, you're probably a real Doc by now i
>>> guess, right ?
>>> Yes, we need to go out - damz, i just spun at this outdoor thing for
>>> Wiggle  a few weeks ago, There's lots of fun stuff going on in  
>>> Philly, UG
>>> raves and  all.
>>> let's party!
>>> Linda
>>> --------------------
>>> _www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http:// 
>>> www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com) Live
>>> videomixshow with chat every Saturday from 1pm to 3pm ET on
>>> _www.massivegroove.com_ (http://www.massivegroove.com)
>>>
>>>
>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
>>> budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.      (
>>> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> /lou
>
>
>
>
>


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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?

>
>> yeah so hey everyone.  i'm sean and i just moved to the bronx.   
>> prior, i was born and raised in denver, co and had lived there my  
>> entire life.  in denver i was big into the scene for about 2 years,  
>> then faded away for a while, and recently got back in.  and  
>> following suite i'd like to become part of the culture here and  
>> meet some people! i really go for most all electronic: trance,  
>> progressive, house, happy hardcore et cetera.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20Aug, 2008, at 2:41 PM, djillum1111@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> My name is Pete and I live in Rhode Island. I subscribed to this  
>>> list and the Boston raves listed back in 2000. Which is when I  
>>> started going to parties. My love for the music started when I  
>>> bought the Hackers Soundtrack in 1999, which was better than the  
>>> movie itself. After that I eventually bought my DJ equipment and  
>>> the rest is history. The first rave party I went to was in Fall  
>>> River, MA back in 2000. It's been a couple of years now since I  
>>> been to a rave but I still love the music and still spin. Some  
>>> artists that have inspired me are Underworld, The Prodigy, The  
>>> Chemical Brothers, Faithless, Juno Reactor, Orbital, Cygnus X,  
>>> Infected Mushroom, and the list could go on and on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Recently, I joined this list again to find about some good raves,  
>>> meet some new peeps, and maybe get some people together who would  
>>> want to create one with me.
>>>
>>> Peace Out,
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brian <kelloggnyc02@yahoo.com>
>>> To: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>> Sent: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 9:00 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My name is Brian and I live in Manhattan.  I've only been on this  
>>> list for a
>>> little bit but have been involved with the scene since 1991.  Most  
>>> of my time
>>> was on the Fl-raves and Se-raves mailing lists although I think I  
>>> was on this
>>> one for a little while a few years back.
>>>
>>> While I've never stopped listening to the music (I love the stuff  
>>> on Armin Van
>>> Buuren's "A State of Trance" radio show), its a lot harder to get  
>>> to events
>>> these days.  I am very excited to go to PVD at Pier 54 tomorrow -  
>>> his shows in
>>> Central Park were really good the last couple of years.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: lou <lou420@gmail.com>
>>> To: C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>>> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:58:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Intros! What's up, peeps?
>>>
>>> I guess I will follow suit...
>>>
>>> My name is Lou I am from Somerville NJ. I have been a troll on  
>>> this list for
>>> a few years and i've been partying about the same amount of time.
>>>
>>> I've been realizing recently that I know a lot more people in the  
>>> scene than
>>> i thought.
>>>
>>> Anyone else from central jersey?
>>>
>>> ttyl!
>>>
>>> /Lou
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:26 AM, C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since everyone's getting in on this introduction thing...  I'm  
>>>> Carlton, aka
>>>> C4.  Currently residing in Troy, NY, aka the Troylet.  Listened  
>>>> to shit
>>>> music straight up until college (no high school kid really knows  
>>>> any better
>>>> in bumfuck, NY) where I escaped to Jerz and fell hard into Trance  
>>>> and House,
>>>> with an expansion of interest in most of the rest of the  
>>>> electronic spectrum
>>>> thereafter.  While I'm still a huge trancehead, I love DnB, some  
>>>> good
>>>> tech-house, and have somewhat of a minimal techno leaning these  
>>>> days as
>>>> well. ... I have DJed.  I've mostly done house, because that's  
>>>> what was
>>>> requested of me, but I'll do any electronic, really.  Just  
>>>> nothing too
>>>> cheesed or too pop-ish. ... I like to make uplifting trance mixes  
>>>> and like
>>>> to put  them on piratebay so that people other than myself listen  
>>>> to them.
>>>> You can get them by searching for "C4" on piratebay, or through  
>>>> my MySpace
>>>> music <http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> page <
>>>> http://www.myspace.com/C4makeitboom> (<-- that's a link!  You  
>>>> want to
>>>> click it!  It's so bright and shiny!  So bright and  
>>>> shiny!!!). ... I can
>>>> cook.  Really well. ... I only told you that last part as a half- 
>>>> assed
>>>> effort to make this uncomfortably sound like a personal ad. ...  
>>>> If I was a
>>>> gnome, my name would be sassafras and I'd have the power to melt  
>>>> polyester
>>>> with my mind.
>>>>
>>>> In any event, I'm more or less in hibernation finishing up my PhD  
>>>> in
>>>> Biology, after which I plan on using my PhD to leech money from  
>>>> this
>>>> capitalist society while I reinvent myself in order to do  
>>>> something I
>>>> actually enjoy.
>>>>
>>>> That's me.
>>>> -C4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yo yo yo all !
>>>>> I better switch to digest mode or else be glued to my Touch (
>>>>> I Love this thing, anyone have one? 2.0 jb baby!
>>>>> So many familiar faces :)
>>>>> Frank!!!!  Howz med school, er, you're probably a real Doc by  
>>>>> now i
>>>>> guess, right ?
>>>>> Yes, we need to go out - damz, i just spun at this outdoor thing  
>>>>> for
>>>>> Wiggle  a few weeks ago, There's lots of fun stuff going on in  
>>>>> Philly, UG
>>>>> raves and  all.
>>>>> let's party!
>>>>> Linda
>>>>> --------------------
>>>>> _www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com_ (http://www.lindaleigh.podomatic.com 
>>>>> ) Live
>>>>> videomixshow with chat every Saturday from 1pm to 3pm ET on
>>>>> _www.massivegroove.com_ (http://www.massivegroove.com)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in  
>>>>> your
>>>>> budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.      (
>>>>> http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> /lou
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Subject: [ne-raves] Huge Event in Philly Next Week!!!

Just in case you've missed it...

DEFCON & MIGHTY MIKE SAGA present:

DEFCON 4
AUGUST 30TH
2THOUSAND8
The Countdown/Saga continues....

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Main Command Center:
Techno // Drum&Bass // HardHouse //Hardstyle


Bunny of RABBIT IN THE MOON (DJ Set)
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JEFF HEART
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NECRON 99 // 10-11

DJ REVOLUTION // 9-10

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SERAPH

DESTIN

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CONCIOUS PILOT // 2-3

The Architech // 9-10

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Radar Tower: Breaks//House//Electro//80's

ANDEE b2b JAY SHOK // 2-3:30

NEMO // 12-1

MOO B // 1-2

DZA // 11-12

Mighty Mike Saga // 10-11
brother & sister back to back !
Miss Matronik // 9-10

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Air Support: Techno // Psytrance // HappyHardcore // Breaks // HardHouse


Synikal // 12-1
DJ Mouse // 1-2
Dj Makin Moves // 2-3
Dicepticon // 10-11
Dj Carlitoz The Maestro // 11-12
Starkiss // 9-10

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COORDINATES:
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600 Spring Garden St
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DEPLOYMENT:
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ADMISSION:
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should we get a thread going of purely events.  no editorials about  
them?
sorry if there already is, but i have yet to see it.

i just moved here so i only know then plenty-publicized ones.  but i'm  
having trouble finding others.

tl;dr have this as a calendar.  every reply just copy and paste the  
person before you and put your event in the proper place  
(chronological listing).

just a suggestion.  i'm still relatively new to this particular  
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Subject: [ne-raves] Today at 1pm till 3pm ET online Spinthesis!

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Spinthesis is today
1pm-3pm on 
www. massivegroove. com
 
Techno Techno Techno!!!!!
the chat is open to those who dare ;>
 
see me, hear me, talk with me, smell, er, never mind!
 
Hope to see ya there!
Linda



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Oh how I miss the ROM (Rave-o-Matic)
Melzie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
that would be awesome to get it started again  :)




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Would a list admin (do those still exist?) care to put together a google 
calendar?   We could even do a google group.  Much easier than regular 
e-mail.

Technology!!!
-C4

LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
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> Oh how I miss the ROM (Rave-o-Matic)
> Melzie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>  
> that would be awesome to get it started again  :)
>
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Van dyk put on a great show.  I haven't gone to an event in years and it was a lot of fun.  Definitely a different scene but I guess now that i'm in my mid 30's that makes sense.  I didn't feel the openness that I used to get although I was probably the weird old guy...





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its a 3 day festival with music that does not play in nyc often........... 

people paid 60 to see crap van dyk last weekend that's 60 for one  
dj........... i think 80 for a 3 day festival isnt bad at  all.



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"I didn't feel the openness that I used to get although I was probably the
weird old guy..."

Or the ecstasy isn't as good.

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Brian <kelloggnyc02@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Van dyk put on a great show.  I haven't gone to an event in years and it
> was a lot of fun.  Definitely a different scene but I guess now that i'm in
> my mid 30's that makes sense.  I didn't feel the openness that I used to get
> although I was probably the weird old guy...
>
>
>
>
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:50:10 PM
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> its a 3 day festival with music that does not play in nyc often...........
>
> people paid 60 to see crap van dyk last weekend that's 60 for one
> dj........... i think 80 for a 3 day festival isnt bad at  all.
>
>
>
> **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your
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I've been looking around on forums and MySpace and I havn't been able to find many. Candyball ofcourse, yes, Oct 31st. ElectroMeadow in NH was Sat. But that's about all I've been able to find. What ones are coming up? the closer to NH the better :P.



      
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please please please please take my email out of your list this is the 5th =
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> please please please please take my email out of your list this is the 5th email i sent requesting this but i still get emails from people.  it is starting to get anoying i get alot of spam and my box gets filled and and im no longer in NYC i wanted info for raves so i could go to raves while i was on vacation i am now in Califorina ane the rave info is no longer use full thanks for being haelp ful and all the info you gave while i was in the city it was very helpful but not any more.   plese email me back saying i have been romoved

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> "I didn't feel the openness that I used to get although I was probably the
> weird old guy..."
>
> Or the ecstasy isn't as good.

Heh. You're both right. Being the Weird Old Guy (also called Raver 
Geriatric) can sometimes interfere with openness, although periodic partying 
in your local scene can usually mitigate the effects of the syndrome. But, 
yeah, X marks the spot. If its good enough, all barriers come temporarily 
crashing down and suddenly Weird Old Guy becomes Best Friend For the Time 
Being....Which is awesome, don't get me wrong...Shit, my stomach is getting 
butterflies just thinking about it....Remember clouds and clovers?....Not 
first generation, homey, second generation....;-) 


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um i think there is an option in the email all the way down on the bottom  of 
it if not try hyperreal.org 
 
didn't you ask look around for the unsub option when you signed up  
especially knowing that you did not want to stay on the  list?



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lol where oh where can that unsub option be?  I just cant see it

mike  smith wrote:
> please please please please take my email out of your  list this is the 5th 
email i sent requesting this but i still get emails from  people.  it is 
starting to get anoying i get alot of spam and my box gets  filled and and im no 
longer in NYC i wanted info for raves so i could go to  raves while i was on 
vacation i am now in Califorina ane the rave info is no  longer use full thanks 
for being haelp ful and all the info you gave while i  was in the city it was 
very helpful but not any more.   plese email  me back saying i have been 
romoved

So unsub.

Peace...   Sridhar

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age is a number if you feel like the old guy then i suggest you stop going  
to candy parties with 16 yr olds..........
 
i go out all the time with people ranging from 21 into their  40's.



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and how old can you possibly be? i am 32 & go out with people my own  age & 
older all the time...........



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adding to your idea - maybe a tribe.net group?

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 1:44 PM, C4 <C4Diesel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Would a list admin (do those still exist?) care to put together a google
> calendar?   We could even do a google group.  Much easier than regular
> e-mail.
>
> Technology!!!
> -C4
>
>
> LindaLeigh@aol.com wrote:
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>>  Oh how I miss the