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Subject: [ne-raves] tune in...

normally i would be casting on laztstation tonight,
but the server is down so im doin my own thing...

check it out: 11 hrs of rare ambient

http://68.49.148.32:8002

enjoy...




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Subject: [ne-raves] RIP Syd Barrett

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5169344.stm

So quiet in here don't really need a call for a moment of silence.

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Subject: [ne-raves] Hack/Gertrude Stein Remix

I was cleaning up my links and found this one...
http://www.BeatForgeProductions.com/

Also I got to work again w/ the Somerville MA Arts Council to do a live
session, dubbed "The Gertrude Stein Remix Project" I mash DJ Spooky and a
researcher at U. of Wisconsin-Madison, Bill Sethares...
http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/~sethares/mp3s/steinsong.html

Hype here: http://www.joeydaytona.com/artbeatantfarm.jpg

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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC+NE merge almost complete

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The NYC Raves listserve [nyc-raves] has ceased opperations as a public 
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Hey guys, i am not sure how interested you all are, but i used to be a  
member on RaveMatch which was more message board and event site than it was ever  a 
dating site... it was a huge community and due to some drama got shut  down
 
for those of you who want something new and different
 
_www.ravefix.com_ (http://www.ravefix.com)  is about 40%  complete
 
it has message boards up now, soon will have the dating module, better  
events section, bigger profiles, a large and beefy photo gallery, and music  
hosting for local DJs (local meaning not national; not just in the  northeast!)
 
its gonna be international once completed
 
i hope you will join us and our near 400 members to date 
 
Its free unless you want to sign up for VIP in the future (VIP members will  
just get some special functionality, its NOT even close to necessary to join 
us  and take part)
 
if youre not interested... sorry for the Spam
 
if you are, come say hello!
 
--DJ Kling

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] New site up for your enjoyment

i'll sign up when you tell me when can i expect a ravematch level of
drama and excitement on this website.

On 7/12/06, DomatUNR@aol.com <DomatUNR@aol.com> wrote:
> Hey guys, i am not sure how interested you all are, but i used to be a
> member on RaveMatch which was more message board and event site than it was ever  a
> dating site... it was a huge community and due to some drama got shut  down
>
> for those of you who want something new and different
>
> _www.ravefix.com_ (http://www.ravefix.com)  is about 40%  complete
>
> it has message boards up now, soon will have the dating module, better
> events section, bigger profiles, a large and beefy photo gallery, and music
> hosting for local DJs (local meaning not national; not just in the  northeast!)
>
> its gonna be international once completed
>
> i hope you will join us and our near 400 members to date
>
> Its free unless you want to sign up for VIP in the future (VIP members will
> just get some special functionality, its NOT even close to necessary to join
> us  and take part)
>
> if youre not interested... sorry for the Spam
>
> if you are, come say hello!
>
> --DJ Kling
>
>


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Don't miss Psylab's incredible LIVE PA experience tomorrow at the Red  
Square.  The play live Psy-Trance, Drum & Bass, & Dub-Step.  Visit  
http://www.myspace.com/psylab to see video & download their music.   
Also appearing:
Asreal - D&B
Scooby Carolan - New School Breaks
Punctual - D&B
and Memory Trace - D&B

The show will also be broadcast live on Transmissionfm.com

9pm | 18+ | $5
The Red Square 388 Broadway Albany, NY 12207




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Subject: [ne-raves] One Night of Fire : Now on July 29th (fwd)

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Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:40:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Complacent Nation <nation@complacent.org>

[Note: For the past few weeks we have been planning a
simple/intimate/extraordinary street event for this
weekend.  As we finalized the plan, we realized this Night
of Fire deserves more; it deserves you.  In order to make
this street party bigger, badder and more full of fire we
have moved the date to Saturday July 29th.  Below is your
invitation to participate.  This is the one.
Hold tight to your matchsticks.]


One Night of Fire
Saturday July 29th : Sunset through Late
http://www.onenightoffire.com


On the first warm night of last year artists, performers
and over a thousand wild-eyed revelers took the streets of
Red Hook Brooklyn.  It was a night of fireworks, march
bands, champagne, flatbed soundsystems and
police-helicopters set against the epic ruins of a
forgotten era.  Saturday, July 29th, you are invited to
participate in the next iteration: "One Night of Fire".

In an era of darkness, we light our own flame.

Imagine: a street, a train and a massive fire finale.
We've moved the date of this event in order to have
greater participation from you artists and dreamers who
have been so enthusiastic about making this night
unforgettable.  For everyone who has desired participation
in these events, this is your chance.

Join us for the planning meeting:
Sunday, July 16th
@ 49 East Houston St.
Ground floor, a block from Lafayette.
7pm to 9:30pm or so.

At this meeting we will review the plan of action, the
creative concept and how you can participate.  This event
is themed around fire (done safely), but has opportunities
for all types of performance.  We want costume makers,
stilt walkers, more fire-spinners, drummers,
guides/helpers, sound-system guards, body-balancers,
tabla-players, spontaneous performers, puppet builders,
dragon dancers, brass-band members, vodka-infusers,
rocketeers and anyone who is interested in being an active
part of keeping New York City alive, livid and lit with
wild abandon.

In a city of structure, we are the spark of liberation.

Join us this Sunday, to meet, drink and plan.  If you
can't make it Sunday there will be one other public
meeting before the big event, now set-in-stone for
Saturday, July 29th.


http://www.onenightoffire.com


p.s. Looking for fun this weekend?  This is it:

Times Up! and Rude Mechanical Orchestra Fundraiser:

Friday, July 14th

8pm-late
@ the Times Up Space
49 E. Houston St.
Suggested donation $7-10

Environmental action has never sounded so good! Two long
time allies are teaming up for an evening of rocking out
and raising money for the good fight.

NYCs punk rock radical marching band the Rude Mechanical
Orchestra leads an evening of music that includes
Monkeyshine 9, Heavy Creatures, Quick Release and Phil Not
Bombs. Each band includes at least one member of the RMO,
so you know itll be good. Also featuring DJ Suggested D's
dance floor madness and the infamous blender bike.


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Subject: [ne-raves] raver bar

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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006, Jasper Lin wrote:

->http://www.i-bar.ch/video/

I want one for the bar in my house. Hopefully it sells well and they 
come out with a consumer version :)

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damn that bar is awesome! i can just imagin playing with it, crawling on it
and shit lol, for hours and hours


/lou

ps -> any parties tonight? im from central jerz lookin for somethin!

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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006, Jasper Lin wrote:

->http://www.i-bar.ch/video/

I want one for the bar in my house. Hopefully it sells well and they
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where is this  "raver bar" ??????!?!

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] uh

 From the website, it seems to be in Basel, Switzerland (very close 
to both the German and French borders).

enzo

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Technology and inspiration WAS uh

On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Matt LaBella wrote:

> where is this  "raver bar" ??????!?!

.ch is a Swiss domain, like Enzo mentioned. Didn't think anyone would actually 
try to go. Was just a digg forward.

http://digg.com/design/Perhaps_The_Coolest_Bar_Ever

Aren't there any ubergeeks on here who've attempted something like this in their 
basement? Gone are the days when raver was synonymous with geeky uni student 
with Net access. For those of you interested in experimental music and art.

MAX (Cycling'74) - Software to gain easy access to inputs and outputs to process 
them to do custom things. For example, generate programmed audio based 
on video input or vice versa.
http://www.cycling74.com/

Pure Data - free version of MAX
http://puredata.org/

You should in theory be able to make a bar like the one in the link with the 
software above and some cheap camera and laser array. Let me know how it goes, 
MacGyver.

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FRIDAY JULY 21.2006

Synergy Industries takes  you

BACK  TO THE FUTURE 2006

ALL  OLD SCHOOL HITS<<<<ALL NIGHT

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JOEY  BELTRAM - OLD SCHOOL ENERGY FLASH SET

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DISCO D - OLD  SCHOOL BOOTY
The pioneer of ghetto booty from detroit , Disco d has blew up  to intern
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DB - OLD SCHOOL MASHUP
DB = Old School! -  We couldnt think of a better dj than DB for a night of
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PLEASUREHEAD - OLD SCHOOL TRANCE
The  trance "perculator"will be bringing us back to days of pumping hard
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DJ DELIRIUM - OLD SCHOOL HC
One of  america's original hardcore superstars will be dusting off all his
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ODI - OLD SCHOOL MASHUPS
NYC's  oldest and most respected Drum n bass icons will be dropping a rare
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DJ HAVOK - OLD SCHOOL HOUSE
Prepare  for time travel to when funky house changed the world. Havok will be
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THE CREATOR - OLD SCHOOL TECHNO
One  of NYC's most respected techno dj's from back in the day makes a rare
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Park rave was  the pillar of our scene in the 90's.



RALPHIE C -  CHICAGO HARD HOUSE
A rare one time only flashback of NYC's skratch house  master going back to
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RITALIN

ALAN SAX

DANK

CRAIG HARRIS

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DJ  DALI

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STEVE NICE

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FULL SET INFO UP SOON!

TIME TRAVEL TICKETS:

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CLUB EXIT <<  BROOKLYN
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3 ROOMS "TAKING YOU BACK IN TIME!"
50,000  Jigowatts of sound
150 intelligent lights - lazers - full visual show
A  custom Flux Capacitor "It's what makes time travel possible"
Three full bars  for the 21+ crowd


On July 25 1998 Synergy produced it’s first major  electronic music event at
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international and national DJ stars to help jumpstart the  vibe that is now
synonymous with Synergy events. Headlining the event was world  class Artist
Jon The Dentist. This marked the 1st ever appearance of the  international super
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For BTTF we will begin right where we left off. The  theme of the event is
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  (http://www.4thdimensionnyc.com/Images%20Of%20Flyers/UnfiyFront.jpg)
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Unify 2006 : This is a day event going on in August 4-6,  2006
Day 1: Peace

Smokey's BBQ Bar and Grill
5-16 51st Avenue, Queens, New York
7pm-4am / 16+ with ID
Smokey's is located in the heart of Long Island  City, Queens, only one
subway stop from Manhattan, and easily accessible via  major highways. You will
experience two floors of sound, an outdoor balcony, and  a BBQ all night long.
Venom vs DJ  Delirium
Cloudskipper
Pleasurehead
Odi
Knowledge
Dread
Jen Mas
Dank
How Hard vs Tom Sawyer
The Germ
Dali vs Prophet
Craig Harris
DJ Candy Kid
Schematics featuring Shaded Intellekt,  GOGO 13, & MC Nemesis
Blow Out and E-Class
Virtue
Tony Trips
Kid Ghost
Day 2: Love

The Electric Warehouse
1428 Fulton Street, Brooklyn, New York
7pm-4am / 16+ with ID
The Electric Warehouse, which once housed and  repaired trolleys over one
hundred years ago, now features two floors of sound,  balconies with a bird's eye
view of a large, wooden dance floor, multiple  projection screens, and a
spacious outdoor chill and smoking area.
Geezer
420 aka Bam Bam & Alex Peace
CZR
Tron
R.A.W. aka Bboy 3000
General Malice
DJ X-Dream vs Michael Myers
Havok
Alan Sax
Tommy Ryde vs Ritalin
Integrity
Pinky and The Brain
Sneaker  & The Dryer w/ MCs Tnoc & Napalm
Psynikill vs Cepheus
Steve Nice  vs Ian Somniak
Cypha
Sparxxx vs Nevamore
Day 3:  Respect
New York City location to be released during our main event.
All  ages, 11am-7pm
Micro
Demonslut
Christian Bruna & 9x
Orion
Tracatak vs The  Mannchild
Dmonyk vs Hellstorm
Wit?
Jimmy X
Sanz one
Mama C
Soul Assassin
Daddy Green Jeans
Courage vs Krunchy
Trypt
Vekta
Kenosis
The Eliminators

Tickets for All Three Events:
$20 before  June 6th on Groovetickets.com
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at Peace  event
$35 at the  door to enter Love main event
___________________________________
$20 at the door to enter  Peace event only
Info:
(516) 417  7466
(718) 282 1293
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aim:  int3grity
aim: djritalin718

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Technology and inspiration WAS uh

Someone in Pittsburgh had setup motion sensors inside a room-sized
tube-city-mouse-cage, so that when the mice ran around the tubes, it
produced ambient for you.  And the more the mice saw people in the
room, the more they ran around, looking for new bits of food in the
maze, and the more interesting the music might become.

-D

On 7/18/06, Jasper Lin <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Matt LaBella wrote:
>
> > where is this  "raver bar" ??????!?!
>
> .ch is a Swiss domain, like Enzo mentioned. Didn't think anyone would actually
> try to go. Was just a digg forward.
>
> http://digg.com/design/Perhaps_The_Coolest_Bar_Ever
>
> Aren't there any ubergeeks on here who've attempted something like this in their
> basement? Gone are the days when raver was synonymous with geeky uni student
> with Net access. For those of you interested in experimental music and art.
>
> MAX (Cycling'74) - Software to gain easy access to inputs and outputs to process
> them to do custom things. For example, generate programmed audio based
> on video input or vice versa.
> http://www.cycling74.com/
>
> Pure Data - free version of MAX
> http://puredata.org/
>
> You should in theory be able to make a bar like the one in the link with the
> software above and some cheap camera and laser array. Let me know how it goes,
> MacGyver.
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Subject: [ne-raves] WEMF this weekend - DCM Renegade Stage info (fwd)


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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:13:11 -0400
From: Jen Mas <jenmasny@gmail.com>

For those of you attending WEMF in Canada, one of the fun things to do is to
hit up the renegade stages during the day while chilling out before the main
events at night. So here's a stage some of us peeps are participating in,
hope to see some of you there!

Timeslots:

FRIDAY

1PM-2 DJ ROBDAWG
2-3 TONY TRIP
3-4 PELIGROSS
4-5 RICKIE DEE
5-6 TECHNOTIC VS DJ SELF
6-730 MIKE CHARLES VS BACCHUS
730-830 CRASH VS KAI-LO
830-10 HOWHARD VS INTEGRITY
10-11 SHADED INTELLEKT VS DJ TRAXX

SATURDAY

8AM-10 SPARXXX VS OHM
10-11 TITTER
11-1230 BAESIC FUNCTION<BRAD BAESIC VS ANUBIS>
1230-130 GOBSTOPPA
130-230 DIRTY TRIX
230-4 SKY AND TANTRUM
4-5 TRACATAK
5-6 JEN MAS
6-730 BRAK VS SUNRIZE
730-9 JOCELYN D VS BASIXX
9-10 O/S2
10-11 ORIGINALVIBE

And don't forget Women on Wax 4 coming at you August 17th at the Sullivan
Room!
Go to www.vitusproductions.com for full info!

J

-- 
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www.vitusproductions.com

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Subject: [ne-raves] Saturday, July 22- FIXED w/ TIM SWEENEY (DFA/ Beats In Space) (fwd)


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Saturday, July 22nd-
  FIXED

  w/ special guest TIM SWEENEY (Beats In Space/ DFA)

  Plus residents JDH & DAVE P all night!

  @ Club Midway (Scenic)- downstairs- 25 Ave B
  11pm, FREE!

  This edition of    FIXED is at the newly remodeled Club Midway. It's a
  great space for a party, and to help break it in, we have special guest
  Tim Sweeney! In case you aren't familiar with Tim, he is the host of
  weekly radio show Beats In Space (www.beatsinspace.net) and the DFA's official dj. Beats In Space has hosted everyone from Carl Craig to Optimo to Superpitcher and just recently Erol Alkan. In addition Tim just released a 12" on RVNG International as his alter ego "Flying Squad".

www.myspace.com/fixednyc

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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC: Dancing is Not a Crime! - Oh wait, yes it is!

Join Metropolis in Motion on Saturday, July 22 at the corner of 79th and
Fifth Avenue (near Mayor Bloomberg's house) in a mass outdoor participatory
dance event!

New York, it's time to dance for your rights.
Join us July 22nd
An after-party will be announced soon...
More info-

What: Join Metropolis in Motion in an open-air dance and participatory
movement event to bring attention to the antiquated and restrictive New York
City cabaret laws.
When: Saturday, July 22, 2006 from 2-4 PM
Where: At the corner of the Honorable Mayor Bloomberg's home.
East 79th Street and Fifth Avenue.
Take the 6 train to 77th, the M79 or M2L buses to 79th and Fifth, or the M1,
M2, M3, or M4 buses to 79th and Madison.

Who: YOU!
And artists, ravers, i-bankers, cheerleaders, lawyers, doctors, hip-hoppers,
street performers, ballroom, swing, Irish folk and African dancers, jazz
aficionados, waiters, actors, janitors, punk rockers, politicians and a slew
of your fellow New Yorkers.
**Wear your dancing/performance clothes, shoes, etc.**
Why: In 1926, New York City sought to limit interaction among the races and
control "public lewdness" by clamping down on the jazz scenes found in
Harlem and West 52nd Street (and later in the bohemian Greenwich Village).
To this end, the City established Cabaret Laws that limited dancing to
specially licensed public spaces serving food or drink where three or more
persons congregated, and stipulated that only musicians "of good character"
could be licensed to play. Over the years, musicians won the right to forgo
licensing, but laws regulating dancing remain on the books. As part of his
"Quality of Life" campaign, Mayor Rudolph Guiliani used the laws to crack
down on bars and clubs without a license that allowed people to dance.
Venues were fined, or worse, padlocked and closed forever. The laws continue
to be enforced under Mayor Bloomberg, while his Administration gives lip
service to repeal or reform. According to the Department of Consumer
Affairs, there are currently only 244 actively legal places to dance in New
York City, including strip joints and clubs.
Why are these laws still on the books? Some people say it's to enforce a
vague notion of the "quality of life." Other people know it's to keep
property values high, club owners with cabaret licenses rich, and ordinary
people, otherwise known as the citizens of New York, "in line." And we don't
mean a kick line.

For more information, you can hear from our much respected predecessors in
this fight (it goes back to Mayor Guiliani)-
http://www.legalizedancingnyc.com/
To stay informed or help plan & promote the event,
please join our mailing list by sending an e-mail to
info @ metropolisinmotion.org
We also invite you to contact us by phone at 646-365-3018 or add your
personal story to our blog at
www.metropolisinmotion.blogspot.com.

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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC: DD Summertime Rolls (fwd)

DIRECT DRIVE

DD UPDATES:

We've moved the Jungle Drum and Bass party to Avalon's Spider Club so use the 
side door.

-    Dara this Sat at Avalon's Spider room
-    Roof-Top party w. DJ Seoul @ BED last Fri of July from 6 to 10pm

Our 8 Year Anniversary is coming in September so Watch This Space!!!

One Love - DJ Seoul

__________________________________



JUNGLE DRUM & BASS WEEKLY - SATURDAYS

Direct Drive and Breakbeat Science Present:
DIRECT DRIVE at The Spider Club

USE THE SIDE DOOR ON 20th Street $AVE LOOT & TIME!

JULY 2006 SCHEDULE:

24th Dara, DJ Seoul, Lion Dub, Dave Shichman

31st Chapel w/ DB, Odi, Empress, Jungle Terror Krew

AVALON
6th Ave (Between 20th & 21st Street)
18+ to Dance, 21+ to Drink Picture ID a Must
$15 in Advance, $25 on RSVP list, More at Door

RSVP AT OUR WEBSITE: http://directdrive.net

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AFTER-WORK ROOF TOP PARTY - RAIN OR SHINE!

Next Friday - July 28th

DJ Seoul @ BED spinning jungle drum & bass

BED - 530 W. 27th Street (Btn 10th & 11th Ave)
6th floor Loft, No Cover, 6pm to 10pm, 21+ Must Have ID
Call 212.594.4109 for Dinner Reservations
http://www.bedny.com



__________________________________

DIRECT DRIVE'S

8 YEAR ANNIVERSARY

SEPTEMBER

SHY FX, ADAM F, and more!!!

__________________________________

http://directdrive.net
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Stay tuned at DIRECT DRIVE for the most up to date info.
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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC: BAPLab One Day Electronic Music/Arts Festival, Saturday! (fwd)

(think this is $10 - jasper)

- - -

BAPLab
A One Day Festival of Electronic Music and Digital Art
Saturday, July 22nd 4pm - 6am at 3rd Ward
195 Morgan Ave, Brooklyn, NY

On July 22, Bushwick Art Project (BAP) presents BAPLab, a festival celebrating 
digital art, music and culture with 16 hours of new media art installations, 
video work and electronic music from across the audio and visual spectrum. 
Culling artists from the rosters of the MoMA, The Whitney museum, and the Venice 
Biennial along with musicians from labels such as M-NUS, Line, Kranky, Ghostly 
International and Clink Recordings, BAPLab is featuring over 80 musicians, 
performers, visual artists, new media installations and DJs side by side. BAPLab 
is a call to arms to the disparate tribes of New York.s digital-futurists, 
drawing together from among the best and the brightest of a new generation of 
artists and musicians.

BAPLab provides attendees with a snapshot of the contemporary digital and new 
media arts scene, with an international roster of both emerging and established 
artists such as Guy Ben-Ner and Benton-C Bainbridge . The atmosphere is part 
high tech museum and part digital community workshop, opening participants, not 
just contributors, to a free-form dialog on evolution, technology, and identity 
in this modern era. Consider two fledgling yet world-class events, a junior 
Sonar and a cosmopolitan Biennial-in-training, and you have BAPLab.

In contrast to the BAP Fall Festival 2005, which drew over 4000 people and was 
anchored by dance music legend John Tejada, this year.s installment focuses on 
emerging talent . the hungry generation destined to knock down doors in the near 
future. The BAPLab seeks to become an integral part of moving this upcoming pool 
of talent forward to a position of prominence by developing a symbiotic network 
of creative expression and high profile spectacle.

BAPLab hosts musicians that are exemplary in their fields including the ultra 
minimalist, MOMA approved Richard Chartier (LINE / Raster-Noton), Harvard Sound 
Lab.s Keith Fullerton Whitman (Kranky), laser koto virtuoso Miya Masaoka, URB.s 
.Next 100. Veteran Lusine (Ghostly International) and folktronica maestro 
Khonnor (Type Records).

A cross section of the producers and DJs currently redefining techno round out 
the night, including Richie Hawtin label mate Ryan Crosson, Magda and Troy 
Pierce favorite Camea and Insideout (Clink Recordings), Force Tracks. Hakan 
Lidbo, and Ghostly International.s Ryan Elliot.

BAPLab also hosts over 40 sound, video and new media artists. Among the talent 
presented this year is video artist Guy Ben-Ner, who recently represented Israel 
at the 51st Venice Biennale. Curated spaces by electromagnetic arts collective, 
free103point9, present an exploration of Transmission Arts, featuring air-wave 
invading installation works by artists 31 Down, Paul Davies, and Tarikh Korula. 
The full roster boasts artists who have exhibited in venues from Reina Sofia in 
Madrid to the ICA in Philadelphia, the Contemporary Art Center in Cincinnati and 
the MoMA here in NYC, all the while giving equal time and exposure to the lesser 
known community of experimental geniuses who inhabit the far reaches of Bushwick 
and beyond.

New art and new music, a perfect point-counterpoint to the digital revolution. 
The BAPLab will envelop you in a day of wonder, amazement and celebration. Do 
not miss this event.

The BAPLab is made possible through the generous support of our Fiscal Sponsor 
La Lutta NMC inc, which has enabled us to become a non-profit organization, and 
by 3rd Ward, the organization that has donated the use of their brand new Art 
Production Facilitates to host the festival.

The BAPLab is July 22nd 2006 at 3rd Ward in Bushwick, from 4pm til 6am. Located 
at 195 Morgan Ave. Brooklyn, NY. 11237 (on the corner of Stagg St. and Morgan 
Ave) Subway: L train to Morgan Ave.
http://bushwickartproject.org/

________________

Transient Day :: Photo Lab
04:00 PM 	Craig Colorusso
04:30 PM 	Judd Greenstein
06:00 PM 	Mechanique(s)
06:30 PM 	Miya Masaoka
07:00 PM 	Richard Chartier (LINE)
07:45 PM 	Keith Fullerton Whitman (Kranky)

Transient Night :: Photo Lab
09:15 PM 	Katamine
09:45 PM 	Stars Like Fleas (Praemedia)
10:30 PM 	Change The Station
11:15 PM 	Mon.Key.Pod
12:30 AM 	Nate Boyce
01:15 AM 	Lance Blisters
01:45 AM 	David Linton, Charles Cohen & Matty Ostrowski Trio
02:30 AM 	Harkness AV Salon

New Media Program
04:00 PM 	Heather Delaney
04:00 PM 	Geoffrey Bell
04:00 PM 	Leah Beeferman & Michelle Higa
04:00 PM 	Jared Lamenzo, Maya Marinelli & Liubo Borissov
04:00 PM 	Jessica Findley
04:00 PM 	Gregory Shakar
04:00 PM 	Ernesto Klar
04:00 PM 	Phoenix Perry
04:00 PM 	Nomad
04:00 PM 	Christina Graf
04:00 PM 	Marie-Christine Katz
04:00 PM 	free103point9
04:00 PM 	Aki Sasamoto & Dan St. Claire
04:00 PM 	Laura Cavalieri
04:00 PM 	Jake Klotz
04:00 PM 	Douglas Henderson
04:00 PM 	Gaby Steiner & Raphael Zwyer
04:00 PM 	Jamie Burkart
04:00 PM 	FeedTank
04:00 PM 	Christina Vantzou
04:00 PM 	Marta Lwin
04:00 PM 	Chris Klapper
04:00 PM 	Nemo Hoffman
04:00 PM 	Patrick Aloysius Gallagher
04:00 PM 	Jerry Hoyt
04:00 PM 	Rafael Fuchs
04:00 PM 	Suneet Sethi
04:00 PM 	Jean Haluska
04:00 PM 	Zohar Kfir
04:00 PM 	Tristan Perich

Video Program - A
04:00 PM 	Nurit Bar-Shai & Kleoni Manoussakis: The Subway Show
04:00 PM 	Adi Shniderman & Merav Ezer: Air Condition
04:00 PM 	Antonin De Bemels: Light Body Corpuscles
04:00 PM 	Ido Fluk: Polar Bears
04:00 PM 	Beth Warshafsky: Anthrodance variation #1
04:00 PM 	Rotem Tashach: 3-O
04:00 PM 	Jamie Hitchings: Video Quilt
04:00 PM 	Jean-Gabriel Periot: DIES IRAE
04:00 PM 	Kleoni Manoussakis: The Rescue Boat
04:00 PM 	Guy Ben-Ner
04:00 PM 	Benton-C Bainbridge

Sonance Day :: Floor 3 :: Area A
06:00 PM 	Richard Garet, Ian Epps, Shimpei Takeda, Andy Graydon, MPLD & 
Ben Owen
07:00 PM 	Calmer (Polyvibe)
07:30 PM 	Benoit Pioulard (Kranky)
08:10 PM 	Landau Orchestra (Merck Records)
09:10 PM 	Helios (Type Records)
09:55 PM 	Praveen (Percussion Lab)

Sonance Night :: Floor 3 :: Area A
10:15 PM 	Bubblyfish
11:00 PM 	Machinedrum (Merck Records)
11:45 PM 	Lusine (Ghostly International)
12:45 AM 	Insideout & Camea (Clink Recordings)
01:45 AM 	Ryan Elliott (Spectral Sound)
03:15 AM 	Ryan Crosson (M-NUS)
04:30 AM 	Hakan Lidbo (Force Tracks)

Video Program - B
04:00 PM 	Torsten Z. Burns and Darrin Martin: I am Today's Lesson Plan
04:00 PM 	Ernest Gusella: Video-Taping
04:00 PM 	Nate Boyce: Dual Ghoul
04:00 PM 	Vibeke Sorensen: Panini Stickers
04:00 PM 	Steina & Doris Cross: Lilith
04:00 PM 	Tom DeWitt, Vibeke Sorensen and Dean Winkler: Tempest
04:00 PM 	Phyllis Baldino: 19 Universes / My Brother
04:00 PM 	Takeshi Murata: Monster Movie
04:00 PM 	Ed Emshwiller: Sunstone (Exerpt)
04:00 PM 	Scott Stark: Shape Shift

Modulation :: Floor 3 :: Area B
10:30 PM 	Handshake (Chaise)
11:15 PM 	RJ Valeo (Type Records)
12:00 AM 	David Last (Goosehound)
01:00 AM 	Nicholas Sauser (Goosehound)
02:15 AM 	Tim Xavier (LTD-400)
03:30 AM 	Nick AC (Robots)
04:45 AM 	Wolf + Lamb (Wolf + Lamb)
06:00 AM 	eVa & Igal (Loft-N-Space)

Video Performers
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Intonation Day :: Floor 3 :: Area C
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Intonation Night :: Floor 3 :: Area C
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02:30 AM 	DJ Rhyzome

Video Program - C
ITP Digital Market
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04:00 PM 	Amit Pitaru (ITP Showcase)
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Subject: [ne-raves] It's oh so quiet...

Until we get up to speed (or moving at all) and our crack staff fully develops 
its outreach programs the list is going to have to rely on you to keep an ear to 
the ground. Forward some of those party emails flooding your inbox. The ones 
that you never go to but that someone else will. You know who you are. Think 
about the cosmic and karmic satisfaction from giving strangers satisfaction. 
It's win-win!

Don't want to hog the list with NYC stuff but that's where I am (y yo no tengo 
un auto). What's going on in New England? I'd go up for a visit but I wouldn't 
know what to do or see. I'm up for a whale watch rave.

Please preface subject lines with location. For example, NYC:, NJ:, Exit 10 PA 
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Subject: [ne-raves] A Guy Called Gerald at ps1 saturday

Anyone goin to the Warm UP with AGCG on Saturday?

me and another ne-raver, josh, will be in attendance
:)

love that venue.  Loved Idjuit boys two weeks ago, and
super sad I had to work on the day of B&S and couldn't
make what a friend called the best house music event
he's ever been to (someone who i've played with a
bunch and totally respect the opinion of.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] A Guy Called Gerald at ps1 saturday

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:

> Anyone goin to the Warm UP with AGCG on Saturday?
> me and another ne-raver, josh, will be in attendance

Not planning to go in order to save up energy for BAP. But might get dragged out 
so I'll keep an eye out for you two.

> love that venue.  Loved Idjuit boys two weeks ago, and
> super sad I had to work on the day of B&S and couldn't
> make what a friend called the best house music event
> he's ever been to (someone who i've played with a
> bunch and totally respect the opinion of.

Agreed. It's a really weird but great venue. Outdoor area feels like some 
installation artists took over a concentration camp and walking around the 
inside feels like hallways of a high school, which is what is was.

Was going to post a write up of last weekend but got lazy. Might get to it in a 
bit. But in the meantime you should definitely check out Soul Summit if Body and 
Soul is your thing. Probably a lot of the old time attendees. You just can't 
beat dancing on a roll of talcumed linoleum. Went last year and last weekend. 
Magnificent time! And I'm not a huge house fan. It's just a great crowd that 
gets down and sweaty. Was crazy because down the hill across the park was an 
even more massive hip-hop gathering. Does this sort of shit pop up like weeds in 
BK or is it my imagination?

- - -

The Soul Summit invades Fort Greene Park on Sundays with a free music festival 
of dance, performances, music, and poetry.

(official but rather naked site)
http://www.soulsummitmusic.com/
http://www.flavorpill.net/flavorspy/issue02/interview1.html

Location: DeKalb Avenue side of Monument Plaza in the center of Fort 
Greene Park. From 3:00 pm - 9:00 pm.

Goes to August 20 but skips July 30.

- - -

What about a list meetup on the summit?

Jasper

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> 
> What about a list meetup on the summit?
> 
> Jasper
> 


Id def. be down.  looks like a damn good time.

didnt see any train directions-  how does one get
there?

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] A Guy Called Gerald at ps1 saturday

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:

->make what a friend called the best house music event

"best" house music really dosent say much does it since house sucks 
=p

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BACK TO THE FUTURE

ALL OLD SCHOOL HITS<<<<ALL NIGHT

8 YR ANNIVERSERY



JOEY BELTRAM - OLD SCHOOL ENERGY FLASH SET

An Exclusive set of all old school hits from the pioneer of techno and
house! Prepare for this special one time performance that includes all of
his old school hits re-worked including the groundbreaking and legendary
"energy flash" as well as "mentasm" "ballpark" and many others.


DISCO D - OLD SCHOOL BOOTY
The pioneer of ghetto booty from detroit , Disco d has blew up
tointernational producer status. From working with MTV, doing scores
for video
games and working with the top mainstrean artists. This last year Disco
skyrocketted to superstar staus with his production on 50 cent's Album
"Massacre"!!



DB - OLD SCHOOL MASHUP
DB = Old School! - We couldnt think of a better dj than DB for a night of
old school classics. This man helped pioneer the NYC underground and his
rare old school sets are legendary.



PLEASUREHEAD - OLD SCHOOL TRANCE
The trance "perculator"will be bringing us back to days of pumping hard
emotional trance. Lookout for gems that havent been played in years!



DJ DELIRIUM - OLD SCHOOL HC
One of america's original hardcore superstars will be dusting off all his
old school hardcore anthems for this rare set of when HC first shocked
thescene.



ODI - OLD SCHOOL MASHUPS
NYC's oldest and most respected Drum n bass icons will be dropping a rare
old school nasa style set with a mashup of breaks , house and DNB!



DJ HAVOK - OLD SCHOOL HOUSE
Prepare for time travel to when funky house changed the world. Havok will be
dropping all the hits that packed the dancefloor with smiles back in theday.



THE CREATOR - OLD SCHOOL TECHNO
One of NYC's most respected techno dj's from back in the day makes a rare
comeback appearance for this special event. This set will remind us all why
Park rave was the pillar of our scene in the 90's.



RALPHIE C - CHICAGO HARD HOUSE
A rare one time only flashback of NYC's skratch house master going back to
the days of when chicago hard house ruled the scene. "THIS TIME IT'S WAR".

SOMA

RITALIN

ALAN SAX

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STEVE NICE

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HOSTED BY MC ETC

FULL SET INFO UP SOON!

TIME TRAVEL TICKETS:

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CLUB EXIT << BROOKLYN
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Times << 9:00 pm - 6:00 am
Ages << 18 to party 21 to drink (valid ID required)
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"Roads? Where we are going we dont need roads!"

3 ROOMS "TAKING YOU BACK IN TIME!"
50,000 Jigowatts of sound
150 intelligent lights - lazers - full visual show
A custom Flux Capacitor "It's what makes time travel possible"
Three full bars for the 21+ crowd


On July 25 1998 Synergy produced it's first major electronic music event at
the well respected Downtime night club in midtown NYC. Synergy assembled
both international and national DJ stars to help jumpstart the vibe that is
now synonymous with Synergy events. Headlining the event was world class
Artist Jon The Dentist. This marked the 1st ever appearance of
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party goers
created an unforgettable night that has been locked in the underground time
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That is until now, 8 years later, Synergy Industries present the long
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For BTTF we will begin right where we left off. The theme of the event is
1998. All the music you hear and the vibe you experience will be right out
of one of the best periods of the nyc underground, circa 1990s.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] A Guy Called Gerald at ps1 saturday

Oh skinner....  you card!


*noogie*

--- Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> 
> ->make what a friend called the best house music
> event
> 
> "best" house music really dosent say much does it
> since house sucks 
> =p
> 
> -- 
> Skinner
> http://blackmonolith.com
> 
> "If you cannot find the truth right where you are,
> where else do you
> expect to find it?" -Dogen
> 
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Saturday July 22nd
DJ Pierre- DJP Records, Chicago
Terry Mullan- Catalyst Recordings, Chicago
Aural Sex- Dealin' Records, NYC
Kimyon- Pockit Rockit, TEAM JAXX, NYC
MSG- APT Sundays, TEAM JAXX, NYC
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Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central park for friday aug 18th, for 
$40. If anyone would like to buy it from me please email me, I can't go that 
night.  Thanks

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shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend
PVD?

--- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:

> Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central park for
> friday aug 18th, for 
> $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me please
> email me, I can't go that 
> night.  Thanks
> 
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Ha ha ha!  Your nuts!  That's cool, you don't have to be into him.  I 
looooooooooove him. Whatever your into your into.    Anyone else out there interested?

Regina*

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most of norway, probably?

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> Ha ha ha!  Your nuts!  That's cool, you don't have to be into him.  I
> looooooooooove him. Whatever your into your into.    Anyone else out there interested?
>
> Regina*
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oh you guys got jokes, eh?      

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don't be silly....van dyke is one of the few trance dj's/producers that
isn't using the same patterns over and over again and propably has released
more tracks and rmx, then you can count

this fact alone makes him much more desirable to see/hear, then all those
other clowns combined

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> shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend
> PVD?
> 
> --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central park for
> > friday aug 18th, for 
> > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me please
> > email me, I can't go that 
> > night.  Thanks
> > 
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*
> > 
> 
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you got hockey, hoser?

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i don't know, i can count all the way up to bullshit teenage garbage.

also, i have released more demo CDs than your entire art school
sorority has piercings, does that make me more desirable to see/hear?

On 7/21/06, technogirl (doojee.com) <technogirl@doojee.com> wrote:
> propably has released
> more tracks and rmx, then you can count
>
> this fact alone makes him much more desirable to see/hear, then all those
> other clowns combined
>
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> > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend
> > PVD?
> >
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demo cd's??
WOW im impressed

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> i don't know, i can count all the way up to bullshit teenage garbage.
>
> also, i have released more demo CDs than your entire art school
> sorority has piercings, does that make me more desirable to see/hear?
>
> On 7/21/06, technogirl (doojee.com) <technogirl@doojee.com> wrote:
> > propably has released
> > more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> >
> > this fact alone makes him much more desirable to see/hear, then all
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> > other clowns combined
> >
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> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
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> >
> > > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend
> > > PVD?
> > >
> > > --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central park for
> > > > friday aug 18th, for
> > > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me please
> > > > email me, I can't go that
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if you think about vocaubulary it makes you roll harder!

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

it's almost as impressive as releasing 400 different releases of the
same damn trance song, no?

PVD WATCH OUT!

On 7/21/06, technogirl (doojee.com) <technogirl@doojee.com> wrote:
> demo cd's??
> WOW im impressed
>
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>
> > i don't know, i can count all the way up to bullshit teenage garbage.
> >
> > also, i have released more demo CDs than your entire art school
> > sorority has piercings, does that make me more desirable to see/hear?
> >
> > On 7/21/06, technogirl (doojee.com) <technogirl@doojee.com> wrote:
> > > propably has released
> > > more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> > >
> > > this fact alone makes him much more desirable to see/hear, then all
> those
> > > other clowns combined
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <Glittagurl77@aol.com>; <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > >
> > >
> > > > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend
> > > > PVD?
> > > >
> > > > --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central park for
> > > > > friday aug 18th, for
> > > > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me please
> > > > > email me, I can't go that
> > > > > night.  Thanks
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

im a touch biased-
I dislike bigroom trance (and trance in general), but
at the end of it all, PVD still is, much like Oakie,
one of those megatrance jocks that I hated 10 yrs ago
and still will today.  

Sorry love, but dress a turd up in a tuxedo and at the
end of the day its still a turd.

pvd=poo

--- "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>
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> don't be silly....van dyke is one of the few trance
> dj's/producers that
> isn't using the same patterns over and over again
> and propably has released
> more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> 
> this fact alone makes him much more desirable to
> see/hear, then all those
> other clowns combined
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <Glittagurl77@aol.com>; <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
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> 
> 
> > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend
> > PVD?
> > 
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> > 
> > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central park
> for
> > > friday aug 18th, for 
> > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me
> please
> > > email me, I can't go that 
> > > night.  Thanks
> > > 
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

you got it wrong.....

trance is cheesy and commercial
music progressed long time ago
however p van dykes version of trance is much more desirable then for e.g.
tiesto, boris or all those other overrated and overpriced dance clowns



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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd


> im a touch biased-
> I dislike bigroom trance (and trance in general), but
> at the end of it all, PVD still is, much like Oakie,
> one of those megatrance jocks that I hated 10 yrs ago
> and still will today.
>
> Sorry love, but dress a turd up in a tuxedo and at the
> end of the day its still a turd.
>
> pvd=poo
>
> --- "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>
> wrote:
>
> > don't be silly....van dyke is one of the few trance
> > dj's/producers that
> > isn't using the same patterns over and over again
> > and propably has released
> > more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> >
> > this fact alone makes him much more desirable to
> > see/hear, then all those
> > other clowns combined
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > To: <Glittagurl77@aol.com>; <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> >
> >
> > > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend
> > > PVD?
> > >
> > > --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central park
> > for
> > > > friday aug 18th, for
> > > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me
> > please
> > > > email me, I can't go that
> > > > night.  Thanks
> > > >
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y dont u email each other instead of spamming the  listserve?


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I hate them too.  So no worries about that!



--- "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>
wrote:

> you got it wrong.....
> 
> trance is cheesy and commercial
> music progressed long time ago
> however p van dykes version of trance is much more
> desirable then for e.g.
> tiesto, boris or all those other overrated and
> overpriced dance clowns
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> To: "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> <technogirl@doojee.com>;
> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> 
> 
> > im a touch biased-
> > I dislike bigroom trance (and trance in general),
> but
> > at the end of it all, PVD still is, much like
> Oakie,
> > one of those megatrance jocks that I hated 10 yrs
> ago
> > and still will today.
> >
> > Sorry love, but dress a turd up in a tuxedo and at
> the
> > end of the day its still a turd.
> >
> > pvd=poo
> >
> > --- "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> <technogirl@doojee.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > don't be silly....van dyke is one of the few
> trance
> > > dj's/producers that
> > > isn't using the same patterns over and over
> again
> > > and propably has released
> > > more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> > >
> > > this fact alone makes him much more desirable to
> > > see/hear, then all those
> > > other clowns combined
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <Glittagurl77@aol.com>;
> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > >
> > >
> > > > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to
> attend
> > > > PVD?
> > > >
> > > > --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central
> park
> > > for
> > > > > friday aug 18th, for
> > > > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me
> > > please
> > > > > email me, I can't go that
> > > > > night.  Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*
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This is the closest NER has gotten to what it was many
years ago in a long time ;)

and im enjoyin every second of it!

--- Doc2b4fun@aol.com wrote:

> y dont u email each other instead of spamming the 
> listserve?
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like where to party this weekend.... 
 		
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ps1 on saturday.

summit on sunday.

Possibly that old school thang tonight, tbd


frank

--- danny trojer <dtrojer@yahoo.com> wrote:

> like where to party this weekend.... 
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no problem, i feel i am just as capable of providing
content as non-content, and also that content is in
the eye of the beholder.

--- danny trojer <dtrojer@yahoo.com> wrote:

> thks.. 
> 
> Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:  ps1 on
> saturday.
> 
> summit on sunday.
> 
> Possibly that old school thang tonight, tbd
> 
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> frank
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Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
   
  Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
   
  I'm looking for some community!
   
  THANKS!
   
  Michael

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Sadly, the DC-Raves mailing list may be a bit better for those areas.

I'm originally from MD/DC, but moved up to NY a bit ago.  I'm still down 
there quite a bit though!

-melzie

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:

> Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
>
>  Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
>
>  I'm looking for some community!
>
>  THANKS!
>
>  Michael
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Hi -- didn't realize there was a DC list (yikes!); PROMPTLY signed up!
   
  THANKS!
   
  Michael

Melzie <melzie@hyperreal.org> wrote:
  
Sadly, the DC-Raves mailing list may be a bit better for those areas.

I'm originally from MD/DC, but moved up to NY a bit ago. I'm still down 
there quite a bit though!

-melzie

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>
> Michael
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nicely stated.. have a good one... dnz

Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:  no problem, i feel i am just as capable of providing
content as non-content, and also that content is in
the eye of the beholder.

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Yeah, this thread went retarded way to fast.

If it's edm then post it because I wanna know what's going on regardless
of what it is and if I like it or not.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 Doc2b4fun@aol.com wrote:

> y dont u email each other instead of spamming the  listserve?
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what the fuck do you mean by that? why do you hate silence? silence is
an important part of music you ignorant turd sandwich!

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

Melz is right. Hell, at this point DC Raves might be a better place to find out 
about stuff in Maine. But there is really no hard fast rule about what the 
region NE covers. DC talk is certainly fine here. North of the Mason Dixon? -- 
with an exception for DC and MD. And don't forget about the hosers rockin' 
bodies up in Toronto and Montreal.

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> Sadly, the DC-Raves mailing list may be a bit better for those areas.
>
> I'm originally from MD/DC, but moved up to NY a bit ago.  I'm still down 
> there quite a bit though!
>
> -melzie
>
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
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>> Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
>>
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>>
>>  I'm looking for some community!
>>
>>  THANKS!
>>
>>  Michael
>> 
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Never been much of a John Cage fan.... sorry.

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> what the fuck do you mean by that? why do you hate
> silence? silence is
> an important part of music you ignorant turd
> sandwich!
> 
> On 7/21/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> many
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OOONN WEEEEEEEEED!!
--- danny trojer <dtrojer@yahoo.com> wrote:

> like where to party this weekend.... 
>  		
> ---------------------------------
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

I wish the DC list had some parties in Maine ... 
then I might be able to find something local to me LOL. 

--- Jasper Lin <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:

> Melz is right. Hell, at this point DC Raves might be a better place to find
> out 
> about stuff in Maine. But there is really no hard fast rule about what the 
> region NE covers. DC talk is certainly fine here. North of the Mason Dixon?
> -- 
> with an exception for DC and MD. And don't forget about the hosers rockin' 
> bodies up in Toronto and Montreal.
> 
> -- 
> 
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Melzie wrote:
> 
> >
> > Sadly, the DC-Raves mailing list may be a bit better for those areas.
> >
> > I'm originally from MD/DC, but moved up to NY a bit ago.  I'm still down 
> > there quite a bit though!
> >
> > -melzie
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
> >>
> >>  Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> >>
> >>  I'm looking for some community!
> >>
> >>  THANKS!
> >>
> >>  Michael
> >> 
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] A Guy Called Gerald at ps1 saturday

-- 

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:

> Id def. be down.  looks like a damn good time.
>
> didnt see any train directions-  how does one get
> there?

Not positive because I've always gone by car. But I'm pretty sure the closest 
stop is DeKalb Ave. A whole mess of lines make it there so take your pick. Just 
ask the MTA booth attendants first. Weekend subway schedules are determined by 
celestial movements relative to high tide and whether or not Bloomberg had seen 
his shawdow that morning.

Google Maps (v) Fort Green Park. It's that patch of green sandwiched by DeKalb, 
Flatbush and Myrtle.

Bring a picnic basket and blanket if you like. Or there are usually nice ladies 
selling carribean flavored barbeque and entrepreneurial young lads selling ice 
cold bottled water for a buck.

Jasper

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Does anyone know of a good site where i can buy German cds, like the Love 
Parade from this year and Mayday?

Amazon.de is cost 20 euros for shipping. So i'm looking for something 
cheaper.

thanks

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

I think this is an elitist snobby thread... as soon as some DJ or Producer
achieves some sort of commercial success it's not cool any more. I see the
same very UN-PLUR statements about House music. I'm sorry but in many cases
the lines between techno and house are blured for me. And I've been a DJ for
15 years.

It's all music and just because I'm not really into Classical music doesn't
mean I bash it... I seem to remember a baseball game in the late seventies
where they blew up and burned some records....

Besides...someone came onto an appropriate forum to try to sell some tix and
she just gets chewed up for it. You're crucifying her tastes...
Let the freemarket decide if she can unload the tix here or not.

If no one here is brave enough... then go for http://newyork.craigslist.org

Thomas


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>;
<ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd


> I hate them too.  So no worries about that!
>
>
>
> --- "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>
> wrote:
>
> > you got it wrong.....
> >
> > trance is cheesy and commercial
> > music progressed long time ago
> > however p van dykes version of trance is much more
> > desirable then for e.g.
> > tiesto, boris or all those other overrated and
> > overpriced dance clowns
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > To: "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> > <technogirl@doojee.com>;
> > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> >
> >
> > > im a touch biased-
> > > I dislike bigroom trance (and trance in general),
> > but
> > > at the end of it all, PVD still is, much like
> > Oakie,
> > > one of those megatrance jocks that I hated 10 yrs
> > ago
> > > and still will today.
> > >
> > > Sorry love, but dress a turd up in a tuxedo and at
> > the
> > > end of the day its still a turd.
> > >
> > > pvd=poo
> > >
> > > --- "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> > <technogirl@doojee.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > don't be silly....van dyke is one of the few
> > trance
> > > > dj's/producers that
> > > > isn't using the same patterns over and over
> > again
> > > > and propably has released
> > > > more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> > > >
> > > > this fact alone makes him much more desirable to
> > > > see/hear, then all those
> > > > other clowns combined
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <Glittagurl77@aol.com>;
> > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to
> > attend
> > > > > PVD?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central
> > park
> > > > for
> > > > > > friday aug 18th, for
> > > > > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me
> > > > please
> > > > > > email me, I can't go that
> > > > > > night.  Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*
> > > > > >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

PLUR?

PLUR?

Police Love Underage Ravers?

On 7/21/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> I think this is an elitist snobby thread... as soon as some DJ or Producer
> achieves some sort of commercial success it's not cool any more. I see the
> same very UN-PLUR statements about House music. I'm sorry but in many cases
> the lines between techno and house are blured for me. And I've been a DJ for
> 15 years.
>
> It's all music and just because I'm not really into Classical music doesn't
> mean I bash it... I seem to remember a baseball game in the late seventies
> where they blew up and burned some records....
>
> Besides...someone came onto an appropriate forum to try to sell some tix and
> she just gets chewed up for it. You're crucifying her tastes...
> Let the freemarket decide if she can unload the tix here or not.
>
> If no one here is brave enough... then go for http://newyork.craigslist.org
>
> Thomas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> To: "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>;
> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
>
>
> > I hate them too.  So no worries about that!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > you got it wrong.....
> > >
> > > trance is cheesy and commercial
> > > music progressed long time ago
> > > however p van dykes version of trance is much more
> > > desirable then for e.g.
> > > tiesto, boris or all those other overrated and
> > > overpriced dance clowns
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > To: "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> > > <technogirl@doojee.com>;
> > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > >
> > >
> > > > im a touch biased-
> > > > I dislike bigroom trance (and trance in general),
> > > but
> > > > at the end of it all, PVD still is, much like
> > > Oakie,
> > > > one of those megatrance jocks that I hated 10 yrs
> > > ago
> > > > and still will today.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry love, but dress a turd up in a tuxedo and at
> > > the
> > > > end of the day its still a turd.
> > > >
> > > > pvd=poo
> > > >
> > > > --- "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> > > <technogirl@doojee.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > don't be silly....van dyke is one of the few
> > > trance
> > > > > dj's/producers that
> > > > > isn't using the same patterns over and over
> > > again
> > > > > and propably has released
> > > > > more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> > > > >
> > > > > this fact alone makes him much more desirable to
> > > > > see/hear, then all those
> > > > > other clowns combined
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: <Glittagurl77@aol.com>;
> > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to
> > > attend
> > > > > > PVD?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central
> > > park
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > friday aug 18th, for
> > > > > > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > email me, I can't go that
> > > > > > > night.  Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Jasper; I've been reposting a lot of your NYC events that you've
posted to NER to DCR.  Good times.  :-)

That said, Michael, remember that some of the people on DCRaves are
jackasses, and others are really awesome.  (Don't get scared off by a
few jackasses.)

On 7/21/06, Jasper Lin <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> Melz is right. Hell, at this point DC Raves might be a better place to find out
> about stuff in Maine. But there is really no hard fast rule about what the
> region NE covers. DC talk is certainly fine here. North of the Mason Dixon? --
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> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Melzie wrote:
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> >
> > Sadly, the DC-Raves mailing list may be a bit better for those areas.
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> >
> > -melzie
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
> >>
> >>  Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> >>
> >>  I'm looking for some community!
> >>
> >>  THANKS!
> >>
> >>  Michael
> >>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

I cracked a joke that anyone who is one this list for
more than a few months could have seen coming a mile
away.  It was a one liner.  I listen to some awful
shit sometimes....  And when I mention my penchant for
Regina Spektor in front of friends, i fully expect to
get dissed.  

Its all good, and its all in good fun man. 

Im glad you've been a dj for 15 yrs, thanks for
contributing your professional opinion, I won't do it
again.

wishing i could be a dj,

frank
</J-O-K-E-S>
--- Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:

> I think this is an elitist snobby thread... as soon
> as some DJ or Producer
> achieves some sort of commercial success it's not
> cool any more. I see the
> same very UN-PLUR statements about House music. I'm
> sorry but in many cases
> the lines between techno and house are blured for
> me. And I've been a DJ for
> 15 years.
> 
> It's all music and just because I'm not really into
> Classical music doesn't
> mean I bash it... I seem to remember a baseball game
> in the late seventies
> where they blew up and burned some records....
> 
> Besides...someone came onto an appropriate forum to
> try to sell some tix and
> she just gets chewed up for it. You're crucifying
> her tastes...
> Let the freemarket decide if she can unload the tix
> here or not.
> 
> If no one here is brave enough... then go for
> http://newyork.craigslist.org
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> To: "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> <technogirl@doojee.com>;
> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> 
> 
> > I hate them too.  So no worries about that!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> <technogirl@doojee.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > you got it wrong.....
> > >
> > > trance is cheesy and commercial
> > > music progressed long time ago
> > > however p van dykes version of trance is much
> more
> > > desirable then for e.g.
> > > tiesto, boris or all those other overrated and
> > > overpriced dance clowns
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > To: "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> > > <technogirl@doojee.com>;
> > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:26 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > >
> > >
> > > > im a touch biased-
> > > > I dislike bigroom trance (and trance in
> general),
> > > but
> > > > at the end of it all, PVD still is, much like
> > > Oakie,
> > > > one of those megatrance jocks that I hated 10
> yrs
> > > ago
> > > > and still will today.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry love, but dress a turd up in a tuxedo
> and at
> > > the
> > > > end of the day its still a turd.
> > > >
> > > > pvd=poo
> > > >
> > > > --- "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> > > <technogirl@doojee.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > don't be silly....van dyke is one of the few
> > > trance
> > > > > dj's/producers that
> > > > > isn't using the same patterns over and over
> > > again
> > > > > and propably has released
> > > > > more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> > > > >
> > > > > this fact alone makes him much more
> desirable to
> > > > > see/hear, then all those
> > > > > other clowns combined
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: <Glittagurl77@aol.com>;
> > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having
> to
> > > attend
> > > > > > PVD?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in
> central
> > > park
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > friday aug 18th, for
> > > > > > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from
> me
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > email me, I can't go that
> > > > > > > night.  Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*
> > > > > > >
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Subject: [ne-raves] PLUR

Call me old fashioned but I went by the original definition Peace Love Unity
Respect.

T

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dean" <talldean@gmail.com>
Cc: <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 4:39 PM
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> PLUR?
>
> PLUR?
>
> Police Love Underage Ravers?
>
> On 7/21/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> > I think this is an elitist snobby thread... as soon as some DJ or
Producer
> > achieves some sort of commercial success it's not cool any more. I see
the
> > same very UN-PLUR statements about House music. I'm sorry but in many
cases
> > the lines between techno and house are blured for me. And I've been a DJ
for
> > 15 years.
> >
> > It's all music and just because I'm not really into Classical music
doesn't
> > mean I bash it... I seem to remember a baseball game in the late
seventies
> > where they blew up and burned some records....
> >
> > Besides...someone came onto an appropriate forum to try to sell some tix
and
> > she just gets chewed up for it. You're crucifying her tastes...
> > Let the freemarket decide if she can unload the tix here or not.
> >
> > If no one here is brave enough... then go for
http://newyork.craigslist.org
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > To: "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>;
> > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> >
> >
> > > I hate them too.  So no worries about that!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > you got it wrong.....
> > > >
> > > > trance is cheesy and commercial
> > > > music progressed long time ago
> > > > however p van dykes version of trance is much more
> > > > desirable then for e.g.
> > > > tiesto, boris or all those other overrated and
> > > > overpriced dance clowns
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> > > > <technogirl@doojee.com>;
> > > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > im a touch biased-
> > > > > I dislike bigroom trance (and trance in general),
> > > > but
> > > > > at the end of it all, PVD still is, much like
> > > > Oakie,
> > > > > one of those megatrance jocks that I hated 10 yrs
> > > > ago
> > > > > and still will today.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry love, but dress a turd up in a tuxedo and at
> > > > the
> > > > > end of the day its still a turd.
> > > > >
> > > > > pvd=poo
> > > > >
> > > > > --- "technogirl (doojee.com)"
> > > > <technogirl@doojee.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > don't be silly....van dyke is one of the few
> > > > trance
> > > > > > dj's/producers that
> > > > > > isn't using the same patterns over and over
> > > > again
> > > > > > and propably has released
> > > > > > more tracks and rmx, then you can count
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this fact alone makes him much more desirable to
> > > > > > see/hear, then all those
> > > > > > other clowns combined
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > To: <Glittagurl77@aol.com>;
> > > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:51 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to
> > > > attend
> > > > > > > PVD?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey guys I have a ticket for PVD in central
> > > > park
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > friday aug 18th, for
> > > > > > > > $40. If anyone would like to buy it from me
> > > > > > please
> > > > > > > > email me, I can't go that
> > > > > > > > night.  Thanks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Thomas Noe wrote:

> I think this is an elitist snobby thread... as soon as some DJ or Producer
> achieves some sort of commercial success it's not cool any more. I see the
> same very UN-PLUR statements about House music. I'm sorry but in many cases
> the lines between techno and house are blured for me. And I've been a DJ for
> 15 years.

Doesn't matter what kind of music is being discussed. People often feel 
the same way when an artist they felt was their little secret blows up.

Guess it doesn't really come through or you just have to be on the list longer 
but a few people on here know each other and have been around a long time. So 
they like to pretend to be badasses on the list and give shit to each other and 
sometimes strangers. Maybe it's an American thing. We've got a weird way of 
welcoming  :)

> Besides...someone came onto an appropriate forum to try to sell some tix and
> she just gets chewed up for it. You're crucifying her tastes...
> Let the freemarket decide if she can unload the tix here or not.

Regina's been around a long time so hopefully she took what was said in jest.

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Subject: [ne-raves] Public vs underground renegade

Summary: Alex legitimately expressed his concern for my postings of events he 
considered underground to this list.

-- 

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Alex Ward wrote:

>> NYC and NE Rave combined is MUCH smaller than any of the
>> "undergrouond" lists
>> you've mentioned. I know anyone can sub to the Complacent list so
>> it's public
>> for all intensive purposes.
>
> Except that those are announcement lists, not discussion lists.
> Especially lists that we know are monitored by authorities, right?

I understand the literal difference between the 2 types of lists but I don't 
understand the difference when it comes to security. A cop can subscribe to both 
just as easily and with announcement lists they don't have to wade through tons 
of noise and unrelated traffic. They get the exact info they want and need. I 
make it a point not to forward stuff like the hilltop renegades or the 
undisclosed Pine Barren events. Pretty sure everything I've sent can be found 
duplicated on numerous bulletin boards seen by far more eyes.

I hear your concern but I honestly don't think parties are getting busted 
because of monitoring of this list. It's really easy to bust parties just from 
regular beat crusing and following the bass and the parade of out of place kids.

> Their old warehouse space they were using a couple months ago in
> Bushwick was busted.
>
>> They usually have off-duty 5-0 on staff. It's been my experience that
>> law
>> enforcement don't give a crap about parties as long as nothing
>> outrageously stupid
>> is going on. They just want their cut.
>
> Well I certainly hope so. I don't know why ------ aren't using
> their ------ space any more and I don't know the specifics into the
> legalities of any of the recent crop of warehouse and loft parties that
> have happened over the past year or so... but I do know that one should
> never tempt fate. Invariably every cool space gets busted. Whether you
> posting to the list makes that more or less likely I don't know. I just
> know from SF that it was frowned upon, so maybe that's why is seems
> strange to me.
>
> If you think it's kosher, then I'm just being paranoid.

Never partied in SF but it always seems like you guys have an easier time when 
it comes to trouble with law enforcement. Could be the more judicious posting.

Just curious but what does the SF list traffic consist of if you guys aren't 
posting events except for the totally legit? Was on it for a bit and it's 
definitely more tight-knit with people inviting each other over for spaghetti 
dinners.

People please chime in as I think this is exactly the type of discussion that 
rarely happens on this list. Been trying to conceive of a way to post events 
with some kind of security and vetting -- degree of separation a la Friendster. 
What do you guys do in DC? Melzie? Dean?

Jasper

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Public vs underground renegade

Posting of these types of events was what NER was
designed for IMHO, and since about 2002 or so has been
pretty much the only source of traffic on it.  

If the cops want to find out about your party, they
will, regardless of where it is posted.  I agree that
outlaws might fall into a different group requiring
more judicious calls when posting (but fwd info to me
plz), but Anything that has a glossy flyer...  do it
up.

thats my 0.02...  if i could show you guys the NER
emails from the stuff that went on in philly etc moons
ago, where the list was the MAIN source of
promotion...  (i still have a bunch printed out in a
manilla envelope tucked away that are always funny to
come across when moving etc ;)

-frank

--- Jasper Lin <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:

> Summary: Alex legitimately expressed his concern for
> my postings of events he 
> considered underground to this list.
> 
> -- 
> 
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Alex Ward wrote:
> 
> >> NYC and NE Rave combined is MUCH smaller than any
> of the
> >> "undergrouond" lists
> >> you've mentioned. I know anyone can sub to the
> Complacent list so
> >> it's public
> >> for all intensive purposes.
> >
> > Except that those are announcement lists, not
> discussion lists.
> > Especially lists that we know are monitored by
> authorities, right?
> 
> I understand the literal difference between the 2
> types of lists but I don't 
> understand the difference when it comes to security.
> A cop can subscribe to both 
> just as easily and with announcement lists they
> don't have to wade through tons 
> of noise and unrelated traffic. They get the exact
> info they want and need. I 
> make it a point not to forward stuff like the
> hilltop renegades or the 
> undisclosed Pine Barren events. Pretty sure
> everything I've sent can be found 
> duplicated on numerous bulletin boards seen by far
> more eyes.
> 
> I hear your concern but I honestly don't think
> parties are getting busted 
> because of monitoring of this list. It's really easy
> to bust parties just from 
> regular beat crusing and following the bass and the
> parade of out of place kids.
> 
> > Their old warehouse space they were using a couple
> months ago in
> > Bushwick was busted.
> >
> >> They usually have off-duty 5-0 on staff. It's
> been my experience that
> >> law
> >> enforcement don't give a crap about parties as
> long as nothing
> >> outrageously stupid
> >> is going on. They just want their cut.
> >
> > Well I certainly hope so. I don't know why ------
> aren't using
> > their ------ space any more and I don't know the
> specifics into the
> > legalities of any of the recent crop of warehouse
> and loft parties that
> > have happened over the past year or so... but I do
> know that one should
> > never tempt fate. Invariably every cool space gets
> busted. Whether you
> > posting to the list makes that more or less likely
> I don't know. I just
> > know from SF that it was frowned upon, so maybe
> that's why is seems
> > strange to me.
> >
> > If you think it's kosher, then I'm just being
> paranoid.
> 
> Never partied in SF but it always seems like you
> guys have an easier time when 
> it comes to trouble with law enforcement. Could be
> the more judicious posting.
> 
> Just curious but what does the SF list traffic
> consist of if you guys aren't 
> posting events except for the totally legit? Was on
> it for a bit and it's 
> definitely more tight-knit with people inviting each
> other over for spaghetti 
> dinners.
> 
> People please chime in as I think this is exactly
> the type of discussion that 
> rarely happens on this list. Been trying to conceive
> of a way to post events 
> with some kind of security and vetting -- degree of
> separation a la Friendster. 
> What do you guys do in DC? Melzie? Dean?
> 
> Jasper
> 
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This is the closest NER has gotten to what it was many
years ago in a long time ;)

and im enjoyin every second of it!

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frank scott scores again.

On 7/21/06, greenpea4u@aol.com <greenpea4u@aol.com> wrote:
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a lil' bit of traffic makes people unsub?  That was
hardly a flame war.

sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm
type stuff 

:(  sorry green peas for you.  :/

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

yeah, im from the nova area... 
neraves used to have great coverage for the dc, md, va
area, but in recent years its focus has gradually
reduced to a more north east region for various
reasons such as member quanitity and participation.
dcraves tends to focus exclusively to the dc area and
sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see postings for va
events but usually for richmond and the surrounding
area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the northern va area, so
that brongs ppl back to look at dc and bmore events...
off hand, most of the members who joined the lists,
neraves in particular, joined back in the early 90s. a
lot of them have left the list or just have very
little to say anymore. 
i hate to say it, but i think the community is
suffering seriously if not dying. all the major series
events have gone the way of dust in the wind. a
younger generation has come in and the old fogies of
the list are disinclined to keep up. its hard to not
compare the present with the past, because there is no
comparison, nor will there ever be. i think people
find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe when their
scene withers or changes.
being so close to dc, there is a lot of competition
for the local scene. most venues would rather support
hip hop or rock, regardless of the commercialization
of electronic dance music. you hear it being used for
commercials and jingles, even on the news... but its
never enough. there will always be the stereotype
attatched to raves and ravers. that we're indecent...
that the scene is drug-laced and we're all freaks.
sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare embrace it-
that sort of thing... i fought my family tooth and
nail for years about every aspect. my mother has only
just developed a slight understanding and appreciation
for it- still not nuts about the whole thing, but at
least she kinda digs it and will sometimes listen to a
couple songs (particularly ambient).
it really boils down to who is willing to support the
scene and its contributors to help make it thrive.
i still believe in the scene, and i belive in plur. no
one can take that away from me...


--- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:

> Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
>    
>   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
>    
>   I'm looking for some community!
>    
>   THANKS!
>    
>   Michael
> 





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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

what's a flame war?

On 7/21/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
> a lil' bit of traffic makes people unsub?  That was
> hardly a flame war.
>
> sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm
> type stuff
>
> :(  sorry green peas for you.  :/
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > frank scott scores again.
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> > On 7/21/06, greenpea4u@aol.com <greenpea4u@aol.com>
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> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > ne-raves@hyperreal.org
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> > >
> > >
> > > This is the closest NER has gotten to what it was
> > many
> > > years ago in a long time ;)
> > >
> > > and im enjoyin every second of it!
> > >
> > > --- Doc2b4fun@aol.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

i do both. i recognize a problem and do my part. i see
no harm in bringing issues to light. it helps to raise
awareness and see who else is intrested in remedying
the situation. its better to network than to try
solving a problem alone. wouldnt you agree?

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah PLUR was totally better back in the day before
> it got all sold
> out to the man, maaan.
> 
> don't complain, originate.
> 
> On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > neraves used to have great coverage for the dc,
> md, va
> > area, but in recent years its focus has gradually
> > reduced to a more north east region for various
> > reasons such as member quanitity and
> participation.
> > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to the dc area
> and
> > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see postings for
> va
> > events but usually for richmond and the
> surrounding
> > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the northern va
> area, so
> > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and bmore
> events...
> > off hand, most of the members who joined the
> lists,
> > neraves in particular, joined back in the early
> 90s. a
> > lot of them have left the list or just have very
> > little to say anymore.
> > i hate to say it, but i think the community is
> > suffering seriously if not dying. all the major
> series
> > events have gone the way of dust in the wind. a
> > younger generation has come in and the old fogies
> of
> > the list are disinclined to keep up. its hard to
> not
> > compare the present with the past, because there
> is no
> > comparison, nor will there ever be. i think people
> > find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe when
> their
> > scene withers or changes.
> > being so close to dc, there is a lot of
> competition
> > for the local scene. most venues would rather
> support
> > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> commercialization
> > of electronic dance music. you hear it being used
> for
> > commercials and jingles, even on the news... but
> its
> > never enough. there will always be the stereotype
> > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're
> indecent...
> > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all freaks.
> > sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare embrace
> it-
> > that sort of thing... i fought my family tooth and
> > nail for years about every aspect. my mother has
> only
> > just developed a slight understanding and
> appreciation
> > for it- still not nuts about the whole thing, but
> at
> > least she kinda digs it and will sometimes listen
> to a
> > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > it really boils down to who is willing to support
> the
> > scene and its contributors to help make it thrive.
> > i still believe in the scene, and i belive in
> plur. no
> > one can take that away from me...
> >
> >
> > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
> > >
> > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> > >
> > >   I'm looking for some community!
> > >
> > >   THANKS!
> > >
> > >   Michael
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC: Robots Final Bash @ Deville - Tonight!

ROBOTS FINAL BLOWOUT AT DEVILLE
NICK AC + MELISSA GOING AWAY PARTY
DENNIS 30TH BIRTHDAY PARTY
[in no particular order]
With NICK AC + DENNIS RODGERS
and friends DEREK PLASLAIKO, PLEXUS, & THREE
FRIDAY 07.21.2006 at CAFE DEVILLE

We would like to thank everyone who has been involved in some way, shape or form 
for making the last two + years at Cafe Deville incredibly special for us, 
especially the DJs and artists who came down and played from all over the world. 
This final Blow Out will mark the start of a big week-end of parties. We have 
been given the nod to take this one extra late so the basic plan is to drink the 
bar dry etc etc... Joining Nick ac and Dennis Rodgerws on the decks is a crew of 
eceptionally talented individuals and very good friends to the U.R.A.: Derek 
Plaslaiko, Plexus aka the Ninja, and Three. Expect nothing less than a 
exceptional night of music all night.

Make sure to bring some gifts for Dennis who has officially reached, "over the 
hill" age and come and say bye to Melissa and Nick who depart for London next 
week. They would very much like to say goodbye to all of you.

Starting in September you will see the first wave of Robots parties in Europe 
and the new monthly in New York kick off at Cielo. This club has been a great 
venue for us in the past and we are delighted to be able to call it our new 
home. Keep tuned into www.wearerobots.net for up to date info.

Entrance is Free all night. Here's to one last blow out at Cafe Deville!
103 3rd Ave @ 13th St
NYC

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

yeah PLUR was totally better back in the day before it got all sold
out to the man, maaan.

don't complain, originate.

On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> yeah, im from the nova area...
> neraves used to have great coverage for the dc, md, va
> area, but in recent years its focus has gradually
> reduced to a more north east region for various
> reasons such as member quanitity and participation.
> dcraves tends to focus exclusively to the dc area and
> sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see postings for va
> events but usually for richmond and the surrounding
> area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the northern va area, so
> that brongs ppl back to look at dc and bmore events...
> off hand, most of the members who joined the lists,
> neraves in particular, joined back in the early 90s. a
> lot of them have left the list or just have very
> little to say anymore.
> i hate to say it, but i think the community is
> suffering seriously if not dying. all the major series
> events have gone the way of dust in the wind. a
> younger generation has come in and the old fogies of
> the list are disinclined to keep up. its hard to not
> compare the present with the past, because there is no
> comparison, nor will there ever be. i think people
> find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe when their
> scene withers or changes.
> being so close to dc, there is a lot of competition
> for the local scene. most venues would rather support
> hip hop or rock, regardless of the commercialization
> of electronic dance music. you hear it being used for
> commercials and jingles, even on the news... but its
> never enough. there will always be the stereotype
> attatched to raves and ravers. that we're indecent...
> that the scene is drug-laced and we're all freaks.
> sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare embrace it-
> that sort of thing... i fought my family tooth and
> nail for years about every aspect. my mother has only
> just developed a slight understanding and appreciation
> for it- still not nuts about the whole thing, but at
> least she kinda digs it and will sometimes listen to a
> couple songs (particularly ambient).
> it really boils down to who is willing to support the
> scene and its contributors to help make it thrive.
> i still believe in the scene, and i belive in plur. no
> one can take that away from me...
>
>
> --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
> >
> >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> >
> >   I'm looking for some community!
> >
> >   THANKS!
> >
> >   Michael
> >
>
>
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Subject: [ne-raves] huh?

ps1 on saturday.

summit on sunday.

what / where?


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Subject: [ne-raves] Turntable repair?

Anyone know a shop in either the greater boston area or more north that is
certified to work on Technics products? I need my decks fixed. 



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Use the Service Locator from Panasonic:
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomerSupport?storeId=11251

Expect to pay over $100 though...

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Anyone know a shop in either the greater boston area or more north that is
certified to work on Technics products? I need my decks fixed.



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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] huh?

ps1 is in queens, at ps1-moma (www.ps1.org) with
headliner A Guy Called Gerald tomorrow (sat 3-9pm).

Summit is at Summit Hill in brooklyn 3-9pm, looks like
a darn good partay as well :)

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> ps1 on saturday.
> 
> summit on sunday.
> 
> what / where?
> 
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sometimes talk is important but often it's results that are noticed..

On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i do both. i recognize a problem and do my part. i see
> no harm in bringing issues to light. it helps to raise
> awareness and see who else is intrested in remedying
> the situation. its better to network than to try
> solving a problem alone. wouldnt you agree?
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > yeah PLUR was totally better back in the day before
> > it got all sold
> > out to the man, maaan.
> >
> > don't complain, originate.
> >
> > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > neraves used to have great coverage for the dc,
> > md, va
> > > area, but in recent years its focus has gradually
> > > reduced to a more north east region for various
> > > reasons such as member quanitity and
> > participation.
> > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to the dc area
> > and
> > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see postings for
> > va
> > > events but usually for richmond and the
> > surrounding
> > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the northern va
> > area, so
> > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and bmore
> > events...
> > > off hand, most of the members who joined the
> > lists,
> > > neraves in particular, joined back in the early
> > 90s. a
> > > lot of them have left the list or just have very
> > > little to say anymore.
> > > i hate to say it, but i think the community is
> > > suffering seriously if not dying. all the major
> > series
> > > events have gone the way of dust in the wind. a
> > > younger generation has come in and the old fogies
> > of
> > > the list are disinclined to keep up. its hard to
> > not
> > > compare the present with the past, because there
> > is no
> > > comparison, nor will there ever be. i think people
> > > find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe when
> > their
> > > scene withers or changes.
> > > being so close to dc, there is a lot of
> > competition
> > > for the local scene. most venues would rather
> > support
> > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > commercialization
> > > of electronic dance music. you hear it being used
> > for
> > > commercials and jingles, even on the news... but
> > its
> > > never enough. there will always be the stereotype
> > > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're
> > indecent...
> > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all freaks.
> > > sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare embrace
> > it-
> > > that sort of thing... i fought my family tooth and
> > > nail for years about every aspect. my mother has
> > only
> > > just developed a slight understanding and
> > appreciation
> > > for it- still not nuts about the whole thing, but
> > at
> > > least she kinda digs it and will sometimes listen
> > to a
> > > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > > it really boils down to who is willing to support
> > the
> > > scene and its contributors to help make it thrive.
> > > i still believe in the scene, and i belive in
> > plur. no
> > > one can take that away from me...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
> > > >
> > > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> > > >
> > > >   I'm looking for some community!
> > > >
> > > >   THANKS!
> > > >
> > > >   Michael
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

exactly, except talk is always important as it serves
as a catalyst to get things done. this isnt politics
here; this is community revival. i dj, produce, and
broadcast on several stations. i also like to help
promote, flyer, and rally community spirit to see
who's willing to put in a little team effort. so what
are you doing for the scene/vibe?

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> sometimes talk is important but often it's results
> that are noticed..
> 
> On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > i do both. i recognize a problem and do my part. i
> see
> > no harm in bringing issues to light. it helps to
> raise
> > awareness and see who else is intrested in
> remedying
> > the situation. its better to network than to try
> > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you agree?
> >
> > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in the day
> before
> > > it got all sold
> > > out to the man, maaan.
> > >
> > > don't complain, originate.
> > >
> > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > neraves used to have great coverage for the
> dc,
> > > md, va
> > > > area, but in recent years its focus has
> gradually
> > > > reduced to a more north east region for
> various
> > > > reasons such as member quanitity and
> > > participation.
> > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to the dc
> area
> > > and
> > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see postings
> for
> > > va
> > > > events but usually for richmond and the
> > > surrounding
> > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the northern va
> > > area, so
> > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and bmore
> > > events...
> > > > off hand, most of the members who joined the
> > > lists,
> > > > neraves in particular, joined back in the
> early
> > > 90s. a
> > > > lot of them have left the list or just have
> very
> > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > i hate to say it, but i think the community is
> > > > suffering seriously if not dying. all the
> major
> > > series
> > > > events have gone the way of dust in the wind.
> a
> > > > younger generation has come in and the old
> fogies
> > > of
> > > > the list are disinclined to keep up. its hard
> to
> > > not
> > > > compare the present with the past, because
> there
> > > is no
> > > > comparison, nor will there ever be. i think
> people
> > > > find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe when
> > > their
> > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > being so close to dc, there is a lot of
> > > competition
> > > > for the local scene. most venues would rather
> > > support
> > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > commercialization
> > > > of electronic dance music. you hear it being
> used
> > > for
> > > > commercials and jingles, even on the news...
> but
> > > its
> > > > never enough. there will always be the
> stereotype
> > > > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're
> > > indecent...
> > > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all
> freaks.
> > > > sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare
> embrace
> > > it-
> > > > that sort of thing... i fought my family tooth
> and
> > > > nail for years about every aspect. my mother
> has
> > > only
> > > > just developed a slight understanding and
> > > appreciation
> > > > for it- still not nuts about the whole thing,
> but
> > > at
> > > > least she kinda digs it and will sometimes
> listen
> > > to a
> > > > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > > > it really boils down to who is willing to
> support
> > > the
> > > > scene and its contributors to help make it
> thrive.
> > > > i still believe in the scene, and i belive in
> > > plur. no
> > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Does this list cover the Washington, DC
> area?
> > > > >
> > > > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> > > > >
> > > > >   I'm looking for some community!
> > > > >
> > > > >   THANKS!
> > > > >
> > > > >   Michael
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

i do this once a week

http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3

On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> exactly, except talk is always important as it serves
> as a catalyst to get things done. this isnt politics
> here; this is community revival. i dj, produce, and
> broadcast on several stations. i also like to help
> promote, flyer, and rally community spirit to see
> who's willing to put in a little team effort. so what
> are you doing for the scene/vibe?
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > sometimes talk is important but often it's results
> > that are noticed..
> >
> > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > i do both. i recognize a problem and do my part. i
> > see
> > > no harm in bringing issues to light. it helps to
> > raise
> > > awareness and see who else is intrested in
> > remedying
> > > the situation. its better to network than to try
> > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you agree?
> > >
> > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in the day
> > before
> > > > it got all sold
> > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > >
> > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > neraves used to have great coverage for the
> > dc,
> > > > md, va
> > > > > area, but in recent years its focus has
> > gradually
> > > > > reduced to a more north east region for
> > various
> > > > > reasons such as member quanitity and
> > > > participation.
> > > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to the dc
> > area
> > > > and
> > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see postings
> > for
> > > > va
> > > > > events but usually for richmond and the
> > > > surrounding
> > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the northern va
> > > > area, so
> > > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and bmore
> > > > events...
> > > > > off hand, most of the members who joined the
> > > > lists,
> > > > > neraves in particular, joined back in the
> > early
> > > > 90s. a
> > > > > lot of them have left the list or just have
> > very
> > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > i hate to say it, but i think the community is
> > > > > suffering seriously if not dying. all the
> > major
> > > > series
> > > > > events have gone the way of dust in the wind.
> > a
> > > > > younger generation has come in and the old
> > fogies
> > > > of
> > > > > the list are disinclined to keep up. its hard
> > to
> > > > not
> > > > > compare the present with the past, because
> > there
> > > > is no
> > > > > comparison, nor will there ever be. i think
> > people
> > > > > find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe when
> > > > their
> > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > being so close to dc, there is a lot of
> > > > competition
> > > > > for the local scene. most venues would rather
> > > > support
> > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > > commercialization
> > > > > of electronic dance music. you hear it being
> > used
> > > > for
> > > > > commercials and jingles, even on the news...
> > but
> > > > its
> > > > > never enough. there will always be the
> > stereotype
> > > > > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're
> > > > indecent...
> > > > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all
> > freaks.
> > > > > sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare
> > embrace
> > > > it-
> > > > > that sort of thing... i fought my family tooth
> > and
> > > > > nail for years about every aspect. my mother
> > has
> > > > only
> > > > > just developed a slight understanding and
> > > > appreciation
> > > > > for it- still not nuts about the whole thing,
> > but
> > > > at
> > > > > least she kinda digs it and will sometimes
> > listen
> > > > to a
> > > > > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > > > > it really boils down to who is willing to
> > support
> > > > the
> > > > > scene and its contributors to help make it
> > thrive.
> > > > > i still believe in the scene, and i belive in
> > > > plur. no
> > > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Does this list cover the Washington, DC
> > area?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   I'm looking for some community!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   THANKS!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   Michael
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

well alright now, thats good- there's something you
do, too. now instead of complaining about whos talking
and taking an active interest in the scene, let's see
who else is doing something or would like to do
something for the scene...
heres an easy thing for everyone to do this weekend:
talk to someone about edm or your scene. or better
yet, tell someone what drew you in and what keeps you
around for more. another thing everyone can do for the
vibe is to smile at one random person you dont know,
maybe more than one if you feel daring.
i wont bother everyone with why these are good things
to do. just trust me...


--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> i do this once a week
> 
> http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> 
> On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > exactly, except talk is always important as it
> serves
> > as a catalyst to get things done. this isnt
> politics
> > here; this is community revival. i dj, produce,
> and
> > broadcast on several stations. i also like to help
> > promote, flyer, and rally community spirit to see
> > who's willing to put in a little team effort. so
> what
> > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> >
> > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > sometimes talk is important but often it's
> results
> > > that are noticed..
> > >
> > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > i do both. i recognize a problem and do my
> part. i
> > > see
> > > > no harm in bringing issues to light. it helps
> to
> > > raise
> > > > awareness and see who else is intrested in
> > > remedying
> > > > the situation. its better to network than to
> try
> > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you agree?
> > > >
> > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in the day
> > > before
> > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > >
> > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > neraves used to have great coverage for
> the
> > > dc,
> > > > > md, va
> > > > > > area, but in recent years its focus has
> > > gradually
> > > > > > reduced to a more north east region for
> > > various
> > > > > > reasons such as member quanitity and
> > > > > participation.
> > > > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to the
> dc
> > > area
> > > > > and
> > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see
> postings
> > > for
> > > > > va
> > > > > > events but usually for richmond and the
> > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the northern
> va
> > > > > area, so
> > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and
> bmore
> > > > > events...
> > > > > > off hand, most of the members who joined
> the
> > > > > lists,
> > > > > > neraves in particular, joined back in the
> > > early
> > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > lot of them have left the list or just
> have
> > > very
> > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think the
> community is
> > > > > > suffering seriously if not dying. all the
> > > major
> > > > > series
> > > > > > events have gone the way of dust in the
> wind.
> > > a
> > > > > > younger generation has come in and the old
> > > fogies
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the list are disinclined to keep up. its
> hard
> > > to
> > > > > not
> > > > > > compare the present with the past, because
> > > there
> > > > > is no
> > > > > > comparison, nor will there ever be. i
> think
> > > people
> > > > > > find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe
> when
> > > > > their
> > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > being so close to dc, there is a lot of
> > > > > competition
> > > > > > for the local scene. most venues would
> rather
> > > > > support
> > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > of electronic dance music. you hear it
> being
> > > used
> > > > > for
> > > > > > commercials and jingles, even on the
> news...
> > > but
> > > > > its
> > > > > > never enough. there will always be the
> > > stereotype
> > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're
> > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all
> > > freaks.
> > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare
> > > embrace
> > > > > it-
> > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought my family
> tooth
> > > and
> > > > > > nail for years about every aspect. my
> mother
> > > has
> > > > > only
> > > > > > just developed a slight understanding and
> > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > for it- still not nuts about the whole
> thing,
> > > but
> > > > > at
> > > > > > least she kinda digs it and will sometimes
> > > listen
> > > > > to a
> > > > > > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > > > > > it really boils down to who is willing to
> > > support
> > > > > the
> > > > > > scene and its contributors to help make it
> > > thrive.
> > > > > > i still believe in the scene, and i belive
> in
> > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does this list cover the Washington, DC
> > > area?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   I'm looking for some community!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   THANKS!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Michael
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:

->  It was a one liner.  I listen to some awful
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yea its called house music ;)


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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:

->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff

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I am afraid i don't understand what 'talking about the scene' ever
accomplished aside from making me giggle when drunk.

On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> well alright now, thats good- there's something you
> do, too. now instead of complaining about whos talking
> and taking an active interest in the scene, let's see
> who else is doing something or would like to do
> something for the scene...
> heres an easy thing for everyone to do this weekend:
> talk to someone about edm or your scene. or better
> yet, tell someone what drew you in and what keeps you
> around for more. another thing everyone can do for the
> vibe is to smile at one random person you dont know,
> maybe more than one if you feel daring.
> i wont bother everyone with why these are good things
> to do. just trust me...
>
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i do this once a week
> >
> > http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > exactly, except talk is always important as it
> > serves
> > > as a catalyst to get things done. this isnt
> > politics
> > > here; this is community revival. i dj, produce,
> > and
> > > broadcast on several stations. i also like to help
> > > promote, flyer, and rally community spirit to see
> > > who's willing to put in a little team effort. so
> > what
> > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > >
> > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > sometimes talk is important but often it's
> > results
> > > > that are noticed..
> > > >
> > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > i do both. i recognize a problem and do my
> > part. i
> > > > see
> > > > > no harm in bringing issues to light. it helps
> > to
> > > > raise
> > > > > awareness and see who else is intrested in
> > > > remedying
> > > > > the situation. its better to network than to
> > try
> > > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you agree?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in the day
> > > > before
> > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > > neraves used to have great coverage for
> > the
> > > > dc,
> > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > area, but in recent years its focus has
> > > > gradually
> > > > > > > reduced to a more north east region for
> > > > various
> > > > > > > reasons such as member quanitity and
> > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to the
> > dc
> > > > area
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see
> > postings
> > > > for
> > > > > > va
> > > > > > > events but usually for richmond and the
> > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the northern
> > va
> > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and
> > bmore
> > > > > > events...
> > > > > > > off hand, most of the members who joined
> > the
> > > > > > lists,
> > > > > > > neraves in particular, joined back in the
> > > > early
> > > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > > lot of them have left the list or just
> > have
> > > > very
> > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think the
> > community is
> > > > > > > suffering seriously if not dying. all the
> > > > major
> > > > > > series
> > > > > > > events have gone the way of dust in the
> > wind.
> > > > a
> > > > > > > younger generation has come in and the old
> > > > fogies
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the list are disinclined to keep up. its
> > hard
> > > > to
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > compare the present with the past, because
> > > > there
> > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > comparison, nor will there ever be. i
> > think
> > > > people
> > > > > > > find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe
> > when
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > being so close to dc, there is a lot of
> > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > for the local scene. most venues would
> > rather
> > > > > > support
> > > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > of electronic dance music. you hear it
> > being
> > > > used
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > commercials and jingles, even on the
> > news...
> > > > but
> > > > > > its
> > > > > > > never enough. there will always be the
> > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're
> > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all
> > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare
> > > > embrace
> > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought my family
> > tooth
> > > > and
> > > > > > > nail for years about every aspect. my
> > mother
> > > > has
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > just developed a slight understanding and
> > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > for it- still not nuts about the whole
> > thing,
> > > > but
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > least she kinda digs it and will sometimes
> > > > listen
> > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > > > > > > it really boils down to who is willing to
> > > > support
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > scene and its contributors to help make it
> > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > i still believe in the scene, and i belive
> > in
> > > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does this list cover the Washington, DC
> > > > area?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   I'm looking for some community!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   THANKS!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   Michael
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

ok then try smiling if that isnt unfathomable...

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am afraid i don't understand what 'talking about
> the scene' ever
> accomplished aside from making me giggle when drunk.
> 
> On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > well alright now, thats good- there's something
> you
> > do, too. now instead of complaining about whos
> talking
> > and taking an active interest in the scene, let's
> see
> > who else is doing something or would like to do
> > something for the scene...
> > heres an easy thing for everyone to do this
> weekend:
> > talk to someone about edm or your scene. or better
> > yet, tell someone what drew you in and what keeps
> you
> > around for more. another thing everyone can do for
> the
> > vibe is to smile at one random person you dont
> know,
> > maybe more than one if you feel daring.
> > i wont bother everyone with why these are good
> things
> > to do. just trust me...
> >
> >
> > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > i do this once a week
> > >
> > > http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > exactly, except talk is always important as it
> > > serves
> > > > as a catalyst to get things done. this isnt
> > > politics
> > > > here; this is community revival. i dj,
> produce,
> > > and
> > > > broadcast on several stations. i also like to
> help
> > > > promote, flyer, and rally community spirit to
> see
> > > > who's willing to put in a little team effort.
> so
> > > what
> > > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > > >
> > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > sometimes talk is important but often it's
> > > results
> > > > > that are noticed..
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > i do both. i recognize a problem and do my
> > > part. i
> > > > > see
> > > > > > no harm in bringing issues to light. it
> helps
> > > to
> > > > > raise
> > > > > > awareness and see who else is intrested in
> > > > > remedying
> > > > > > the situation. its better to network than
> to
> > > try
> > > > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you
> agree?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in the
> day
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
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> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > > > neraves used to have great coverage
> for
> > > the
> > > > > dc,
> > > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > > area, but in recent years its focus
> has
> > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > reduced to a more north east region
> for
> > > > > various
> > > > > > > > reasons such as member quanitity and
> > > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to
> the
> > > dc
> > > > > area
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see
> > > postings
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > events but usually for richmond and
> the
> > > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the
> northern
> > > va
> > > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and
> > > bmore
> > > > > > > events...
> > > > > > > > off hand, most of the members who
> joined
> > > the
> > > > > > > lists,
> > > > > > > > neraves in particular, joined back in
> the
> > > > > early
> > > > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > > > lot of them have left the list or just
> > > have
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think the
> > > community is
> > > > > > > > suffering seriously if not dying. all
> the
> > > > > major
> > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > > events have gone the way of dust in
> the
> > > wind.
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > younger generation has come in and the
> old
> > > > > fogies
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the list are disinclined to keep up.
> its
> > > hard
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > compare the present with the past,
> because
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > comparison, nor will there ever be. i
> > > think
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > > find it easier to abandon a youthful
> vibe
> > > when
> > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > > being so close to dc, there is a lot
> of
> > > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > > for the local scene. most venues would
> > > rather
> > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > > of electronic dance music. you hear it
> > > being
> > > > > used
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > commercials and jingles, even on the
> > > news...
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > never enough. there will always be the
> > > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers. that
> we're
> > > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're
> all
> > > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it but dont
> dare
> > > > > embrace
> > > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought my
> family
> > > tooth
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > nail for years about every aspect. my
> > > mother
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > just developed a slight understanding
> and
> > > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > > for it- still not nuts about the whole
> > > thing,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > least she kinda digs it and will
> sometimes
> > > > > listen
> > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > > > > > > > it really boils down to who is willing
> to
> > > > > support
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > scene and its contributors to help
> make it
> > > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > > i still believe in the scene, and i
> belive
> > > in
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> > > > > > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

the 'scene' consists entirely of aging jaded hipsters standing around
fashionably talking about how it used to be better in the day, and the
people they paid $10 to to stand there.

On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ok then try smiling if that isnt unfathomable...
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am afraid i don't understand what 'talking about
> > the scene' ever
> > accomplished aside from making me giggle when drunk.
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > well alright now, thats good- there's something
> > you
> > > do, too. now instead of complaining about whos
> > talking
> > > and taking an active interest in the scene, let's
> > see
> > > who else is doing something or would like to do
> > > something for the scene...
> > > heres an easy thing for everyone to do this
> > weekend:
> > > talk to someone about edm or your scene. or better
> > > yet, tell someone what drew you in and what keeps
> > you
> > > around for more. another thing everyone can do for
> > the
> > > vibe is to smile at one random person you dont
> > know,
> > > maybe more than one if you feel daring.
> > > i wont bother everyone with why these are good
> > things
> > > to do. just trust me...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > i do this once a week
> > > >
> > > > http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> > > >
> > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > exactly, except talk is always important as it
> > > > serves
> > > > > as a catalyst to get things done. this isnt
> > > > politics
> > > > > here; this is community revival. i dj,
> > produce,
> > > > and
> > > > > broadcast on several stations. i also like to
> > help
> > > > > promote, flyer, and rally community spirit to
> > see
> > > > > who's willing to put in a little team effort.
> > so
> > > > what
> > > > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > sometimes talk is important but often it's
> > > > results
> > > > > > that are noticed..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > i do both. i recognize a problem and do my
> > > > part. i
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > > no harm in bringing issues to light. it
> > helps
> > > > to
> > > > > > raise
> > > > > > > awareness and see who else is intrested in
> > > > > > remedying
> > > > > > > the situation. its better to network than
> > to
> > > > try
> > > > > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you
> > agree?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in the
> > day
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > > > > neraves used to have great coverage
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > dc,
> > > > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > > > area, but in recent years its focus
> > has
> > > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > > reduced to a more north east region
> > for
> > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > reasons such as member quanitity and
> > > > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to
> > the
> > > > dc
> > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see
> > > > postings
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > events but usually for richmond and
> > the
> > > > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the
> > northern
> > > > va
> > > > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and
> > > > bmore
> > > > > > > > events...
> > > > > > > > > off hand, most of the members who
> > joined
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > lists,
> > > > > > > > > neraves in particular, joined back in
> > the
> > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > > > > lot of them have left the list or just
> > > > have
> > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think the
> > > > community is
> > > > > > > > > suffering seriously if not dying. all
> > the
> > > > > > major
> > > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > > > events have gone the way of dust in
> > the
> > > > wind.
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > younger generation has come in and the
> > old
> > > > > > fogies
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the list are disinclined to keep up.
> > its
> > > > hard
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > compare the present with the past,
> > because
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > comparison, nor will there ever be. i
> > > > think
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > find it easier to abandon a youthful
> > vibe
> > > > when
> > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > > > being so close to dc, there is a lot
> > of
> > > > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > > > for the local scene. most venues would
> > > > rather
> > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > > > of electronic dance music. you hear it
> > > > being
> > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > commercials and jingles, even on the
> > > > news...
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > never enough. there will always be the
> > > > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers. that
> > we're
> > > > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're
> > all
> > > > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it but dont
> > dare
> > > > > > embrace
> > > > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought my
> > family
> > > > tooth
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > nail for years about every aspect. my
> > > > mother
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > just developed a slight understanding
> > and
> > > > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > > > for it- still not nuts about the whole
> > > > thing,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > least she kinda digs it and will
> > sometimes
> > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > > > > > > > > it really boils down to who is willing
> > to
> > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > scene and its contributors to help
> > make it
> > > > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > > > i still believe in the scene, and i
> > belive
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does this list cover the Washington,
> > DC
> > > > > > area?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or
> > VA?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   I'm looking for some community!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   THANKS!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   Michael
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

well not all of us are that delusional. if thats they
way you feel, why not throw in the towel? why pursue
something you have so negatively deemed as
non-existant? why bother?

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> the 'scene' consists entirely of aging jaded
> hipsters standing around
> fashionably talking about how it used to be better
> in the day, and the
> people they paid $10 to to stand there.
> 
> On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > ok then try smiling if that isnt unfathomable...
> >
> > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am afraid i don't understand what 'talking
> about
> > > the scene' ever
> > > accomplished aside from making me giggle when
> drunk.
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > well alright now, thats good- there's
> something
> > > you
> > > > do, too. now instead of complaining about whos
> > > talking
> > > > and taking an active interest in the scene,
> let's
> > > see
> > > > who else is doing something or would like to
> do
> > > > something for the scene...
> > > > heres an easy thing for everyone to do this
> > > weekend:
> > > > talk to someone about edm or your scene. or
> better
> > > > yet, tell someone what drew you in and what
> keeps
> > > you
> > > > around for more. another thing everyone can do
> for
> > > the
> > > > vibe is to smile at one random person you dont
> > > know,
> > > > maybe more than one if you feel daring.
> > > > i wont bother everyone with why these are good
> > > things
> > > > to do. just trust me...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i do this once a week
> > > > >
> > > > > http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > exactly, except talk is always important
> as it
> > > > > serves
> > > > > > as a catalyst to get things done. this
> isnt
> > > > > politics
> > > > > > here; this is community revival. i dj,
> > > produce,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > broadcast on several stations. i also like
> to
> > > help
> > > > > > promote, flyer, and rally community spirit
> to
> > > see
> > > > > > who's willing to put in a little team
> effort.
> > > so
> > > > > what
> > > > > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > sometimes talk is important but often
> it's
> > > > > results
> > > > > > > that are noticed..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > i do both. i recognize a problem and
> do my
> > > > > part. i
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > no harm in bringing issues to light.
> it
> > > helps
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > raise
> > > > > > > > awareness and see who else is
> intrested in
> > > > > > > remedying
> > > > > > > > the situation. its better to network
> than
> > > to
> > > > > try
> > > > > > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you
> > > agree?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in
> the
> > > day
> > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > > > > > neraves used to have great
> coverage
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > dc,
> > > > > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > > > > area, but in recent years its
> focus
> > > has
> > > > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > > > reduced to a more north east
> region
> > > for
> > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > reasons such as member quanitity
> and
> > > > > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively
> to
> > > the
> > > > > dc
> > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i
> see
> > > > > postings
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > events but usually for richmond
> and
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the
> > > northern
> > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc
> and
> > > > > bmore
> > > > > > > > > events...
> > > > > > > > > > off hand, most of the members who
> > > joined
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > lists,
> > > > > > > > > > neraves in particular, joined back
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > > > > > lot of them have left the list or
> just
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think the
> > > > > community is
> > > > > > > > > > suffering seriously if not dying.
> all
> > > the
> > > > > > > major
> > > > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > > > > events have gone the way of dust
> in
> > > the
> > > > > wind.
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > younger generation has come in and
> the
> > > old
> > > > > > > fogies
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > the list are disinclined to keep
> up.
> > > its
> > > > > hard
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > compare the present with the past,
> > > because
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > > comparison, nor will there ever
> be. i
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > find it easier to abandon a
> youthful
> > > vibe
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > > > > being so close to dc, there is a
> lot
> > > of
> > > > > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > > > > for the local scene. most venues
> would
> > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > > > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > > > > of electronic dance music. you
> hear it
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > commercials and jingles, even on
> the
> > > > > news...
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > never enough. there will always be
> the
> > > > > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers.
> that
> > > we're
> > > > > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced and
> we're
> > > all
> > > > > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it but
> dont
> > > dare
> > > > > > > embrace
> > > > > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought my
> > > family
> > > > > tooth
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > nail for years about every aspect.
> my
> > > > > mother
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > just developed a slight
> understanding
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > > > > for it- still not nuts about the
> whole
> > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > least she kinda digs it and will
> > > sometimes
> > > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > > couple songs (particularly
> ambient).
> > > > > > > > > > it really boils down to who is
> willing
> > > to
> > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > scene and its contributors to help
> > > make it
> > > > > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > > > > i still believe in the scene, and
> i
> > > belive
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > > > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Does this list cover the
> Washington,
> > > DC
> > > > > > > area?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD,
> or
> > > VA?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   I'm looking for some
> community!
> > > > > > > > > > >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

i'll let you guess if i was smilling there, too.

On 7/22/06, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> the 'scene' consists entirely of aging jaded hipsters standing around
> fashionably talking about how it used to be better in the day, and the
> people they paid $10 to to stand there.
>
> On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > ok then try smiling if that isnt unfathomable...
> >
> > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am afraid i don't understand what 'talking about
> > > the scene' ever
> > > accomplished aside from making me giggle when drunk.
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > well alright now, thats good- there's something
> > > you
> > > > do, too. now instead of complaining about whos
> > > talking
> > > > and taking an active interest in the scene, let's
> > > see
> > > > who else is doing something or would like to do
> > > > something for the scene...
> > > > heres an easy thing for everyone to do this
> > > weekend:
> > > > talk to someone about edm or your scene. or better
> > > > yet, tell someone what drew you in and what keeps
> > > you
> > > > around for more. another thing everyone can do for
> > > the
> > > > vibe is to smile at one random person you dont
> > > know,
> > > > maybe more than one if you feel daring.
> > > > i wont bother everyone with why these are good
> > > things
> > > > to do. just trust me...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i do this once a week
> > > > >
> > > > > http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > exactly, except talk is always important as it
> > > > > serves
> > > > > > as a catalyst to get things done. this isnt
> > > > > politics
> > > > > > here; this is community revival. i dj,
> > > produce,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > broadcast on several stations. i also like to
> > > help
> > > > > > promote, flyer, and rally community spirit to
> > > see
> > > > > > who's willing to put in a little team effort.
> > > so
> > > > > what
> > > > > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > sometimes talk is important but often it's
> > > > > results
> > > > > > > that are noticed..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > i do both. i recognize a problem and do my
> > > > > part. i
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > no harm in bringing issues to light. it
> > > helps
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > raise
> > > > > > > > awareness and see who else is intrested in
> > > > > > > remedying
> > > > > > > > the situation. its better to network than
> > > to
> > > > > try
> > > > > > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you
> > > agree?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in the
> > > day
> > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > > > > > neraves used to have great coverage
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > dc,
> > > > > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > > > > area, but in recent years its focus
> > > has
> > > > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > > > reduced to a more north east region
> > > for
> > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > reasons such as member quanitity and
> > > > > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively to
> > > the
> > > > > dc
> > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i see
> > > > > postings
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > events but usually for richmond and
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the
> > > northern
> > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc and
> > > > > bmore
> > > > > > > > > events...
> > > > > > > > > > off hand, most of the members who
> > > joined
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > lists,
> > > > > > > > > > neraves in particular, joined back in
> > > the
> > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > > > > > lot of them have left the list or just
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think the
> > > > > community is
> > > > > > > > > > suffering seriously if not dying. all
> > > the
> > > > > > > major
> > > > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > > > > events have gone the way of dust in
> > > the
> > > > > wind.
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > younger generation has come in and the
> > > old
> > > > > > > fogies
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > the list are disinclined to keep up.
> > > its
> > > > > hard
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > compare the present with the past,
> > > because
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > > comparison, nor will there ever be. i
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > find it easier to abandon a youthful
> > > vibe
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > > > > being so close to dc, there is a lot
> > > of
> > > > > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > > > > for the local scene. most venues would
> > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > > > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > > > > of electronic dance music. you hear it
> > > > > being
> > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > commercials and jingles, even on the
> > > > > news...
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > never enough. there will always be the
> > > > > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers. that
> > > we're
> > > > > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're
> > > all
> > > > > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it but dont
> > > dare
> > > > > > > embrace
> > > > > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought my
> > > family
> > > > > tooth
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > nail for years about every aspect. my
> > > > > mother
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > just developed a slight understanding
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > > > > for it- still not nuts about the whole
> > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > least she kinda digs it and will
> > > sometimes
> > > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > > couple songs (particularly ambient).
> > > > > > > > > > it really boils down to who is willing
> > > to
> > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > scene and its contributors to help
> > > make it
> > > > > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > > > > i still believe in the scene, and i
> > > belive
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > > > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Does this list cover the Washington,
> > > DC
> > > > > > > area?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   Anybody out there from DC, MD, or
> > > VA?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   I'm looking for some community!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   THANKS!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   Michael
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

because the moment of creation is more interesting than a lifetime of
bar conversation.

On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> well not all of us are that delusional. if thats they
> way you feel, why not throw in the towel? why pursue
> something you have so negatively deemed as
> non-existant? why bother?
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the 'scene' consists entirely of aging jaded
> > hipsters standing around
> > fashionably talking about how it used to be better
> > in the day, and the
> > people they paid $10 to to stand there.
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > ok then try smiling if that isnt unfathomable...
> > >
> > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am afraid i don't understand what 'talking
> > about
> > > > the scene' ever
> > > > accomplished aside from making me giggle when
> > drunk.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > well alright now, thats good- there's
> > something
> > > > you
> > > > > do, too. now instead of complaining about whos
> > > > talking
> > > > > and taking an active interest in the scene,
> > let's
> > > > see
> > > > > who else is doing something or would like to
> > do
> > > > > something for the scene...
> > > > > heres an easy thing for everyone to do this
> > > > weekend:
> > > > > talk to someone about edm or your scene. or
> > better
> > > > > yet, tell someone what drew you in and what
> > keeps
> > > > you
> > > > > around for more. another thing everyone can do
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > vibe is to smile at one random person you dont
> > > > know,
> > > > > maybe more than one if you feel daring.
> > > > > i wont bother everyone with why these are good
> > > > things
> > > > > to do. just trust me...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > i do this once a week
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > exactly, except talk is always important
> > as it
> > > > > > serves
> > > > > > > as a catalyst to get things done. this
> > isnt
> > > > > > politics
> > > > > > > here; this is community revival. i dj,
> > > > produce,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > broadcast on several stations. i also like
> > to
> > > > help
> > > > > > > promote, flyer, and rally community spirit
> > to
> > > > see
> > > > > > > who's willing to put in a little team
> > effort.
> > > > so
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sometimes talk is important but often
> > it's
> > > > > > results
> > > > > > > > that are noticed..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > i do both. i recognize a problem and
> > do my
> > > > > > part. i
> > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > no harm in bringing issues to light.
> > it
> > > > helps
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > raise
> > > > > > > > > awareness and see who else is
> > intrested in
> > > > > > > > remedying
> > > > > > > > > the situation. its better to network
> > than
> > > > to
> > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt you
> > > > agree?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better back in
> > the
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > > > > > > neraves used to have great
> > coverage
> > > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > dc,
> > > > > > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > > > > > area, but in recent years its
> > focus
> > > > has
> > > > > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > > > > reduced to a more north east
> > region
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > reasons such as member quanitity
> > and
> > > > > > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus exclusively
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > dc
> > > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes i
> > see
> > > > > > postings
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > > events but usually for richmond
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn the
> > > > northern
> > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look at dc
> > and
> > > > > > bmore
> > > > > > > > > > events...
> > > > > > > > > > > off hand, most of the members who
> > > > joined
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > lists,
> > > > > > > > > > > neraves in particular, joined back
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > > > > > > lot of them have left the list or
> > just
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think the
> > > > > > community is
> > > > > > > > > > > suffering seriously if not dying.
> > all
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > major
> > > > > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > > > > > events have gone the way of dust
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > wind.
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > younger generation has come in and
> > the
> > > > old
> > > > > > > > fogies
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > the list are disinclined to keep
> > up.
> > > > its
> > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > compare the present with the past,
> > > > because
> > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > > > comparison, nor will there ever
> > be. i
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > find it easier to abandon a
> > youthful
> > > > vibe
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > > > > > being so close to dc, there is a
> > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > > > > > for the local scene. most venues
> > would
> > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of the
> > > > > > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > > > > > of electronic dance music. you
> > hear it
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > commercials and jingles, even on
> > the
> > > > > > news...
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > > never enough. there will always be
> > the
> > > > > > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers.
> > that
> > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced and
> > we're
> > > > all
> > > > > > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it but
> > dont
> > > > dare
> > > > > > > > embrace
> > > > > > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought my
> > > > family
> > > > > > tooth
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > nail for years about every aspect.
> > my
> > > > > > mother
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > just developed a slight
> > understanding
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > > > > > for it- still not nuts about the
> > whole
> > > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > least she kinda digs it and will
> > > > sometimes
> > > > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > > > couple songs (particularly
> > ambient).
> > > > > > > > > > > it really boils down to who is
> > willing
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > scene and its contributors to help
> > > > make it
> > > > > > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > > > > > i still believe in the scene, and
> > i
> > > > belive
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > > > > > > one can take that away from me...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Does this list cover the
> > Washington,
> > > > DC
> > > > > > > > area?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > or
> > > > VA?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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From: Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
To: Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

who said anything about bar conversation??

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> because the moment of creation is more interesting
> than a lifetime of
> bar conversation.
> 
> On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > well not all of us are that delusional. if thats
> they
> > way you feel, why not throw in the towel? why
> pursue
> > something you have so negatively deemed as
> > non-existant? why bother?
> >
> > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > the 'scene' consists entirely of aging jaded
> > > hipsters standing around
> > > fashionably talking about how it used to be
> better
> > > in the day, and the
> > > people they paid $10 to to stand there.
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > ok then try smiling if that isnt
> unfathomable...
> > > >
> > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am afraid i don't understand what 'talking
> > > about
> > > > > the scene' ever
> > > > > accomplished aside from making me giggle
> when
> > > drunk.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > well alright now, thats good- there's
> > > something
> > > > > you
> > > > > > do, too. now instead of complaining about
> whos
> > > > > talking
> > > > > > and taking an active interest in the
> scene,
> > > let's
> > > > > see
> > > > > > who else is doing something or would like
> to
> > > do
> > > > > > something for the scene...
> > > > > > heres an easy thing for everyone to do
> this
> > > > > weekend:
> > > > > > talk to someone about edm or your scene.
> or
> > > better
> > > > > > yet, tell someone what drew you in and
> what
> > > keeps
> > > > > you
> > > > > > around for more. another thing everyone
> can do
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > vibe is to smile at one random person you
> dont
> > > > > know,
> > > > > > maybe more than one if you feel daring.
> > > > > > i wont bother everyone with why these are
> good
> > > > > things
> > > > > > to do. just trust me...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > i do this once a week
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > exactly, except talk is always
> important
> > > as it
> > > > > > > serves
> > > > > > > > as a catalyst to get things done. this
> > > isnt
> > > > > > > politics
> > > > > > > > here; this is community revival. i dj,
> > > > > produce,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > broadcast on several stations. i also
> like
> > > to
> > > > > help
> > > > > > > > promote, flyer, and rally community
> spirit
> > > to
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > > who's willing to put in a little team
> > > effort.
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > sometimes talk is important but
> often
> > > it's
> > > > > > > results
> > > > > > > > > that are noticed..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > i do both. i recognize a problem
> and
> > > do my
> > > > > > > part. i
> > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > no harm in bringing issues to
> light.
> > > it
> > > > > helps
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > raise
> > > > > > > > > > awareness and see who else is
> > > intrested in
> > > > > > > > > remedying
> > > > > > > > > > the situation. its better to
> network
> > > than
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt
> you
> > > > > agree?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better
> back in
> > > the
> > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > > > > > > > neraves used to have great
> > > coverage
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dc,
> > > > > > > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > > > > > > area, but in recent years its
> > > focus
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > > > > > reduced to a more north east
> > > region
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > > reasons such as member
> quanitity
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus
> exclusively
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > dc
> > > > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes
> i
> > > see
> > > > > > > postings
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > > > events but usually for
> richmond
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn
> the
> > > > > northern
> > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look
> at dc
> > > and
> > > > > > > bmore
> > > > > > > > > > > events...
> > > > > > > > > > > > off hand, most of the members
> who
> > > > > joined
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > lists,
> > > > > > > > > > > > neraves in particular, joined
> back
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > > > > > > > lot of them have left the list
> or
> > > just
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think
> the
> > > > > > > community is
> > > > > > > > > > > > suffering seriously if not
> dying.
> > > all
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > major
> > > > > > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > > > > > > events have gone the way of
> dust
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > wind.
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > younger generation has come in
> and
> > > the
> > > > > old
> > > > > > > > > fogies
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the list are disinclined to
> keep
> > > up.
> > > > > its
> > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > compare the present with the
> past,
> > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > > > > comparison, nor will there
> ever
> > > be. i
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > find it easier to abandon a
> > > youthful
> > > > > vibe
> > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > being so close to dc, there is
> a
> > > lot
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > > > > > > for the local scene. most
> venues
> > > would
> > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of
> the
> > > > > > > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > > > > > > of electronic dance music. you
> > > hear it
> > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > commercials and jingles, even
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > > news...
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > > > never enough. there will
> always be
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers.
> > > that
> > > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced
> and
> > > we're
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it
> but
> > > dont
> > > > > dare
> > > > > > > > > embrace
> > > > > > > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought
> my
> > > > > family
> > > > > > > tooth
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > nail for years about every
> aspect.
> > > my
> > > > > > > mother
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > just developed a slight
> > > understanding
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > > > > > > for it- still not nuts about
> the
> > > whole
> > > > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > least she kinda digs it and
> will
> > > > > sometimes
> > > > > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > > > > couple songs (particularly
> > > ambient).
> > > > > > > > > > > > it really boils down to who is
> > > willing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > scene and its contributors to
> help
> > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > i still believe in the scene,
> and
> > > i
> > > > > belive
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > > > > > > > one can take that away from
> me...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > ---
> alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this list cover the
> > > Washington,
> > > > > DC
> > > > > > > > > area?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Anybody out there from DC,
> MD,
> > > or
> > > > > VA?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm looking for some
> > > community!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   THANKS!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Michael
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> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > End of Trancemission...
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

haha WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM?

On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> who said anything about bar conversation??
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > because the moment of creation is more interesting
> > than a lifetime of
> > bar conversation.
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > well not all of us are that delusional. if thats
> > they
> > > way you feel, why not throw in the towel? why
> > pursue
> > > something you have so negatively deemed as
> > > non-existant? why bother?
> > >
> > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > the 'scene' consists entirely of aging jaded
> > > > hipsters standing around
> > > > fashionably talking about how it used to be
> > better
> > > > in the day, and the
> > > > people they paid $10 to to stand there.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > ok then try smiling if that isnt
> > unfathomable...
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am afraid i don't understand what 'talking
> > > > about
> > > > > > the scene' ever
> > > > > > accomplished aside from making me giggle
> > when
> > > > drunk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > well alright now, thats good- there's
> > > > something
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > do, too. now instead of complaining about
> > whos
> > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > and taking an active interest in the
> > scene,
> > > > let's
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > > who else is doing something or would like
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > > > something for the scene...
> > > > > > > heres an easy thing for everyone to do
> > this
> > > > > > weekend:
> > > > > > > talk to someone about edm or your scene.
> > or
> > > > better
> > > > > > > yet, tell someone what drew you in and
> > what
> > > > keeps
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > around for more. another thing everyone
> > can do
> > > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > vibe is to smile at one random person you
> > dont
> > > > > > know,
> > > > > > > maybe more than one if you feel daring.
> > > > > > > i wont bother everyone with why these are
> > good
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > > to do. just trust me...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i do this once a week
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > exactly, except talk is always
> > important
> > > > as it
> > > > > > > > serves
> > > > > > > > > as a catalyst to get things done. this
> > > > isnt
> > > > > > > > politics
> > > > > > > > > here; this is community revival. i dj,
> > > > > > produce,
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > broadcast on several stations. i also
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > promote, flyer, and rally community
> > spirit
> > > > to
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > who's willing to put in a little team
> > > > effort.
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > sometimes talk is important but
> > often
> > > > it's
> > > > > > > > results
> > > > > > > > > > that are noticed..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > i do both. i recognize a problem
> > and
> > > > do my
> > > > > > > > part. i
> > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > no harm in bringing issues to
> > light.
> > > > it
> > > > > > helps
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > raise
> > > > > > > > > > > awareness and see who else is
> > > > intrested in
> > > > > > > > > > remedying
> > > > > > > > > > > the situation. its better to
> > network
> > > > than
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > solving a problem alone. wouldnt
> > you
> > > > > > agree?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better
> > back in
> > > > the
> > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > > > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova area...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > neraves used to have great
> > > > coverage
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > dc,
> > > > > > > > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > > > > > > > area, but in recent years its
> > > > focus
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reduced to a more north east
> > > > region
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons such as member
> > quanitity
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus
> > exclusively
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > dc
> > > > > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes baltimore. sometimes
> > i
> > > > see
> > > > > > > > postings
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > > > > events but usually for
> > richmond
> > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive fromn
> > the
> > > > > > northern
> > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to look
> > at dc
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > bmore
> > > > > > > > > > > > events...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > off hand, most of the members
> > who
> > > > > > joined
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> > > > > > the
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> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i think
> > the
> > > > > > > > community is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering seriously if not
> > dying.
> > > > all
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > major
> > > > > > > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > > > > > > > events have gone the way of
> > dust
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > wind.
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > younger generation has come in
> > and
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> > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > compare the present with the
> > past,
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison, nor will there
> > ever
> > > > be. i
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > find it easier to abandon a
> > > > youthful
> > > > > > vibe
> > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > being so close to dc, there is
> > a
> > > > lot
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the local scene. most
> > venues
> > > > would
> > > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hip hop or rock, regardless of
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of electronic dance music. you
> > > > hear it
> > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > commercials and jingles, even
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > news...
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > > > > never enough. there will
> > always be
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > > > > > > > attatched to raves and ravers.
> > > > that
> > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that the scene is drug-laced
> > and
> > > > we're
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to it
> > but
> > > > dont
> > > > > > dare
> > > > > > > > > > embrace
> > > > > > > > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that sort of thing... i fought
> > my
> > > > > > family
> > > > > > > > tooth
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > nail for years about every
> > aspect.
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > mother
> > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > just developed a slight
> > > > understanding
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for it- still not nuts about
> > the
> > > > whole
> > > > > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > least she kinda digs it and
> > will
> > > > > > sometimes
> > > > > > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > couple songs (particularly
> > > > ambient).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it really boils down to who is
> > > > willing
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > scene and its contributors to
> > help
> > > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > i still believe in the scene,
> > and
> > > > i
> > > > > > belive
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > one can take that away from
> > me...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com
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> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this list cover the
> > > > Washington,
> > > > > > DC
> > > > > > > > > > area?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Anybody out there from DC,
> > MD,
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> > > > > > VA?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm looking for some
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From: Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
To: Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs

where in the world did you get that from???

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> haha WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM?
> 
> On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > who said anything about bar conversation??
> >
> > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > because the moment of creation is more
> interesting
> > > than a lifetime of
> > > bar conversation.
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > well not all of us are that delusional. if
> thats
> > > they
> > > > way you feel, why not throw in the towel? why
> > > pursue
> > > > something you have so negatively deemed as
> > > > non-existant? why bother?
> > > >
> > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > the 'scene' consists entirely of aging jaded
> > > > > hipsters standing around
> > > > > fashionably talking about how it used to be
> > > better
> > > > > in the day, and the
> > > > > people they paid $10 to to stand there.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ok then try smiling if that isnt
> > > unfathomable...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am afraid i don't understand what
> 'talking
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > the scene' ever
> > > > > > > accomplished aside from making me giggle
> > > when
> > > > > drunk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > well alright now, thats good- there's
> > > > > something
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > do, too. now instead of complaining
> about
> > > whos
> > > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > > and taking an active interest in the
> > > scene,
> > > > > let's
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > who else is doing something or would
> like
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > > something for the scene...
> > > > > > > > heres an easy thing for everyone to do
> > > this
> > > > > > > weekend:
> > > > > > > > talk to someone about edm or your
> scene.
> > > or
> > > > > better
> > > > > > > > yet, tell someone what drew you in and
> > > what
> > > > > keeps
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > around for more. another thing
> everyone
> > > can do
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > vibe is to smile at one random person
> you
> > > dont
> > > > > > > know,
> > > > > > > > maybe more than one if you feel
> daring.
> > > > > > > > i wont bother everyone with why these
> are
> > > good
> > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > to do. just trust me...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > i do this once a week
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> http://grep-fu.net/amw/amw-07-22-06.mp3
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 7/22/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > exactly, except talk is always
> > > important
> > > > > as it
> > > > > > > > > serves
> > > > > > > > > > as a catalyst to get things done.
> this
> > > > > isnt
> > > > > > > > > politics
> > > > > > > > > > here; this is community revival. i
> dj,
> > > > > > > produce,
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > broadcast on several stations. i
> also
> > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > promote, flyer, and rally
> community
> > > spirit
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > who's willing to put in a little
> team
> > > > > effort.
> > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > > are you doing for the scene/vibe?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > sometimes talk is important but
> > > often
> > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > results
> > > > > > > > > > > that are noticed..
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > i do both. i recognize a
> problem
> > > and
> > > > > do my
> > > > > > > > > part. i
> > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > no harm in bringing issues to
> > > light.
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > helps
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > raise
> > > > > > > > > > > > awareness and see who else is
> > > > > intrested in
> > > > > > > > > > > remedying
> > > > > > > > > > > > the situation. its better to
> > > network
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > try
> > > > > > > > > > > > solving a problem alone.
> wouldnt
> > > you
> > > > > > > agree?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- Ed Hoc
> <meatsock@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah PLUR was totally better
> > > back in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it got all sold
> > > > > > > > > > > > > out to the man, maaan.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't complain, originate.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry
> > > > > > > > > <djsquelch@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, im from the nova
> area...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neraves used to have great
> > > > > coverage
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > dc,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > md, va
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > area, but in recent years
> its
> > > > > focus
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > gradually
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reduced to a more north
> east
> > > > > region
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons such as member
> > > quanitity
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > participation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dcraves tends to focus
> > > exclusively
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dc
> > > > > > > > > > > area
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes baltimore.
> sometimes
> > > i
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > postings
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > events but usually for
> > > richmond
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > area- about 3 hrs drive
> fromn
> > > the
> > > > > > > northern
> > > > > > > > > va
> > > > > > > > > > > > > area, so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that brongs ppl back to
> look
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> > > > > > > > > the
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > neraves in particular,
> joined
> > > back
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 90s. a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot of them have left the
> list
> > > or
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > little to say anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i hate to say it, but i
> think
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > community is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering seriously if not
> > > dying.
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > major
> > > > > > > > > > > > > series
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > events have gone the way
> of
> > > dust
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > wind.
> > > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > younger generation has
> come in
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > old
> > > > > > > > > > > fogies
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the list are disinclined
> to
> > > keep
> > > > > up.
> > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > compare the present with
> the
> > > past,
> > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparison, nor will there
> > > ever
> > > > > be. i
> > > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it easier to abandon
> a
> > > > > youthful
> > > > > > > vibe
> > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > scene withers or changes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being so close to dc,
> there is
> > > a
> > > > > lot
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > competition
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the local scene. most
> > > venues
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hip hop or rock,
> regardless of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > commercialization
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of electronic dance music.
> you
> > > > > hear it
> > > > > > > > > being
> > > > > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercials and jingles,
> even
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > news...
> > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > its
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > never enough. there will
> > > always be
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > stereotype
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attatched to raves and
> ravers.
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > > > > > > > indecent...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that the scene is
> drug-laced
> > > and
> > > > > we're
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > > freaks.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure its ok to listen to
> it
> > > but
> > > > > dont
> > > > > > > dare
> > > > > > > > > > > embrace
> > > > > > > > > > > > > it-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that sort of thing... i
> fought
> > > my
> > > > > > > family
> > > > > > > > > tooth
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nail for years about every
> > > aspect.
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > mother
> > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > just developed a slight
> > > > > understanding
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for it- still not nuts
> about
> > > the
> > > > > whole
> > > > > > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > least she kinda digs it
> and
> > > will
> > > > > > > sometimes
> > > > > > > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple songs (particularly
> > > > > ambient).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > it really boils down to
> who is
> > > > > willing
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > scene and its contributors
> to
> > > help
> > > > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > > > > thrive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > i still believe in the
> scene,
> > > and
> > > > > i
> > > > > > > belive
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > plur. no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can take that away
> from
> > > me...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this list cover the
> > > > > Washington,
> > > > > > > DC
> > > > > > > > > > > area?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Anybody out there from
> DC,
> > > MD,
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > VA?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   I'm looking for some
> > > > > community!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   THANKS!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Michael
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ah, day partys in New York, sounds awesome, but but not really worth the 4 
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-- Zero


>From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
>To: Zer0 Burn <mrsmuggles101@hotmail.com>, ne-raves@hyperreal.org
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>ps1 is in queens, at ps1-moma (www.ps1.org) with
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>Summit is at Summit Hill in brooklyn 3-9pm, looks like
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hey all, im not so new to the scene but im totally new to this email list
serv mumbo jumbo

i just wanna make sure that this message is getting out there! and can i
just reply to messages that i get or do i hafta change the email to
ne-raves@hyperreal.org ?

ugh! i feel like a baby lol

/lou

ps -> anyone goto BACK TO THE FUTURE? i wish i could have gone i work early
saturday mornings so my friday nights are usually shot :(

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] new to this

just remember to hit reply-to-all to every email you ever receive,
especially if it includes the words 'TAKE ME OFF THIS CRAZY DAMNED
LIST'

On 7/22/06, lou <lou420@gmail.com> wrote:
> hey all, im not so new to the scene but im totally new to this email list
> serv mumbo jumbo
>
> i just wanna make sure that this message is getting out there! and can i
> just reply to messages that i get or do i hafta change the email to
> ne-raves@hyperreal.org ?
>
> ugh! i feel like a baby lol
>
> /lou
>
> ps -> anyone goto BACK TO THE FUTURE? i wish i could have gone i work early
> saturday mornings so my friday nights are usually shot :(
>
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Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to constitute
an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents in
the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke up
and am running around to get up to PS1 today):

PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate since
his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among underage,
white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
"PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.

And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains commercial
success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose music has
been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored Playstation
and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40 Pop
artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on this
list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These are
quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and Oakie.  They
were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity" aren't
what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers of
retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just reinforces what
we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.

And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.

OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being such a
stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and can't
find an orange.

On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
>
> ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
>
> of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was the
> admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that of
> the jsm.
>
>
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> People please chime in as I think this is exactly the type of discussion that
> rarely happens on this list. Been trying to conceive of a way to post events
> with some kind of security and vetting -- degree of separation a la Friendster.
> What do you guys do in DC? Melzie? Dean?

Pb-Cle-Raves doesn't post much as far as events go, but everything is
usually pretty public on the local message boards.

DCRaves usually doesn't see postings for underground events, but
everything is usually more public on the local message boards.

Essentially, if it's invite-only, or invite-only-people-you-know, it's
not getting posted anywhere.  If it's public knowledge, mixed bag?
For example, the Island Party is coming up, which will be posted.
Other, more intimate events get more intimate treatment.

-D

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hey lou, you got it workin.
you can reply to any email here, just keep this in
mind:
you can either reply so it goes directly to everyone,
ie to neraves, or you can reply to specific people so
only they can read it, ie to lou420...
it depends on the email client you use. some have a
reply to sender or reply to everyone button. this list
is set up so that emails arrive from the sender rather
than from neraves. i recall it being diffeerent 12
years ago, but thats neither here no there.
also, most emails you originate to the list you will
not see what you send, but you will see your replies
to the list. go figure...

--- lou <lou420@gmail.com> wrote:

> hey all, im not so new to the scene but im totally
> new to this email list
> serv mumbo jumbo
> 
> i just wanna make sure that this message is getting
> out there! and can i
> just reply to messages that i get or do i hafta
> change the email to
> ne-raves@hyperreal.org ?
> 
> ugh! i feel like a baby lol
> 
> /lou
> 
> ps -> anyone goto BACK TO THE FUTURE? i wish i could
> have gone i work early
> saturday mornings so my friday nights are usually
> shot :(
> 





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Subject: [ne-raves] History of 'Ardkore pt 2- Kenny ken

Put this on for some odd reason at the gym this morn'.

This cd was the reason why i started listenin to drum
and bass.

ARENT I CLEAR- REST IN PAECE.




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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

SCURVY was the precursor to PLUR, right?

On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to constitute
> an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents in
> the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke up
> and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
>
> PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate since
> his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among underage,
> white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
>
> And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains commercial
> success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose music has
> been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored Playstation
> and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40 Pop
> artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on this
> list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These are
> quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and Oakie.  They
> were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity" aren't
> what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers of
> retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just reinforces what
> we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.
>
> And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
>
> OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being such a
> stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and can't
> find an orange.
>
> On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> >
> > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
> >
> > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was the
> > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that of
> > the jsm.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Skinner
> > http://blackmonolith.com
> >
> > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you
> > expect to find it?" -Dogen
> >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

damn dude if this post made mention of a coat hanger,
id think it was 97 all over again.

speakin of coathangers, shouldnt u be on a train to
nyc by now prick>

but seriously speaking of coathangers...  Peep the
first short "Dumplings" by Fruit Chan in the movie
"Three...  extremes"  holy coat hanger akshun.  I had
to stop the movie to finish my breakfast and resume
later, i could not stomache it.  dear lord.  Serios
stem cell bidness UP INSIDE.  

literally, up inside.

fuck man.  nasty.

--- Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to
> what used to constitute
> an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can
> throw my two cents in
> the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless,
> seeing as I just woke up
> and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> 
> PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease,
> which is appropriate since
> his music is a contributing factor in the spread of
> them among underage,
> white, suburban, big pants wearing,
> pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> 
> And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once
> he gains commercial
> success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr.
> Scruff (whose music has
> been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin
> (who's scored Playstation
> and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and
> worked with Top 40 Pop
> artists), and my personal favorite (considering how
> very few people on this
> list have ever actually heard him spin a set live)
> Fatboy Slim.  These are
> quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad
> puns) and Oakie.  They
> were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of
> "popularity" aren't
> what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact
> that sheer numbers of
> retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good,
> it just reinforces what
> we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and
> deserve to die.
> 
> And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> 
> OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless
> twit for being such a
> stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope
> you get scurvy and can't
> find an orange.
> 
> On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> >
> > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the
> jsm type stuff
> >
> > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the
> few years I was the
> > admin, there was never a time that was more
> entertaining then that of
> > the jsm.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Skinner
> > http://blackmonolith.com
> >
> > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are,
> where else do you
> > expect to find it?" -Dogen
> >
> >
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I actually thought about the coat hanger, but I realise that that is all
you.  I couldnt' steal your thunder.  and catching the train at 1.18,
arriving at 2.45. then it's a short trip to 42nd then the 7 for a quick ride
to 45th.

On 7/22/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> damn dude if this post made mention of a coat hanger,
> id think it was 97 all over again.
>
> speakin of coathangers, shouldnt u be on a train to
> nyc by now prick>
>
> but seriously speaking of coathangers...  Peep the
> first short "Dumplings" by Fruit Chan in the movie
> "Three...  extremes"  holy coat hanger akshun.  I had
> to stop the movie to finish my breakfast and resume
> later, i could not stomache it.  dear lord.  Serios
> stem cell bidness UP INSIDE.
>
> literally, up inside.
>
> fuck man.  nasty.
>
> --- Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to
> > what used to constitute
> > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can
> > throw my two cents in
> > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless,
> > seeing as I just woke up
> > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> >
> > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease,
> > which is appropriate since
> > his music is a contributing factor in the spread of
> > them among underage,
> > white, suburban, big pants wearing,
> > pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> >
> > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once
> > he gains commercial
> > success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr.
> > Scruff (whose music has
> > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin
> > (who's scored Playstation
> > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and
> > worked with Top 40 Pop
> > artists), and my personal favorite (considering how
> > very few people on this
> > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live)
> > Fatboy Slim.  These are
> > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad
> > puns) and Oakie.  They
> > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of
> > "popularity" aren't
> > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact
> > that sheer numbers of
> > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good,
> > it just reinforces what
> > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and
> > deserve to die.
> >
> > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> >
> > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless
> > twit for being such a
> > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope
> > you get scurvy and can't
> > find an orange.
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > >
> > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the
> > jsm type stuff
> > >
> > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the
> > few years I was the
> > > admin, there was never a time that was more
> > entertaining then that of
> > > the jsm.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Skinner
> > > http://blackmonolith.com
> > >
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> > where else do you
> > > expect to find it?" -Dogen
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July 22, 2006 at The Remote Lounge
327 Bowery, NYC

18+ $10


Prolific--FL--(CEO of Foul Play Records, NonStopKrooks) DMC JUNGLE MADNESS
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Mumblz--NJ--(Outbreak, Evol Intent Rec., Foul Play Records) DRUMS AND
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Satronica--NYC--(Industrial Strength Rec., Apocalypse, Things To Come)
GRIMEY HARDCORE

Sykopath--NJ--(Outer Limits, ADAM Worldwide, Groove Therapy NJ) ACCCCCCID
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Twist N' Skillz--NJ--(6th Boro Clothing, East Music Group, ADAM Worldwide)
ELECTRO SCRATCH HOUSE

FIG--MA--(Headspinn, Boston Breaks) BREAKS

Hidro--Philly--(www.FoundationKru.com, Round Table) vs.
Subterranean--NJ--(Groove Therapy, Mental Ltd, Under Suspicion Rec.)
DNB/JUNGLE

Mannchild--NYC--(Hardmind Productions) HARD TECHNO

Cypha--NYC--(Kind Kidz, kindkidz.com) & Joel Tweeks--PA--(Unstoppable Ent,
Deconstruct) ACID TECHNO

White Rabbit--PA--(Unstoppable Ent, Deconstruct) vs.
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Soren--NJ--(Groove Therapy, Ravers Only, Mental Ltd)
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Lionchyld--York, PA-- vs. Ghostrunner--NY--(UnderstandInc, Demostreams)
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Subject: [ne-raves] PLUR definition

Was that F.U. directed at me? Easy to be brave when you have a keyboard to
hide behind...but I'll show some "R"espect and refrain from the abusive
language.

Does anyone here know how the term PLUR came to be?
It was two idiots at one of Frankie Bones legendary Storm Raves started a
fight and Frankie stopped the music and asked for some Peace Love
Understading ....

I personally have never owned a single item of rave gear, raver clothing,
glowsticks, pacifiers, glitter or any of it. I don't judge people by what
they wear or the color of their skin. I do judge by "content of
character" -MLK
However you're the only one making that connection between attire and PLUR.
PLUR has NOTHING to do with any of that...it's a set of values that
transends materialistic gear.

I do believe PLUR is an idealistic (maybe even overly idealistic) challenge
that Frankie Bones put forward.
While I am in 100% in support of those ideals... I also believe that
promoters supported PLUR for a whole different reason... GREED. And to quote
Micheal Douglas... this is a case where "Greed is good" It's good for the
scene. Rave promoters want/need to keep the raves from getting shut down.
People who act like jerks and instigate fights are going to draw the ire of
venue owners, neighbors, concerned citizens, and ultimately the police.

I've held lots of parties in NYC... and police have shown up.. if they see
everyone having a good time and nothing blatantly illegal going on... they
usually let well be. (At least in my experience). So PLUR serves a purpose!
And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!

Lastly another issue on this Ring....I just see it a lot in various forums
and it doesn't have to be about rave. They are the list clowns.... who
always have to interject a "joke" into every single thread.  The excuse is
always the same.. "if you knew us, you would know that we are joking" ...
all it is hijcking the thread and not helping a gal who just wanted to sell
her PVD ticket!!!

Good work... instead of helping a friend, you dissed her.


Oh and someone find me a picture of Frankie Bones with a pacifier since he
invented the term PLUR! If someone does I'll stop using the term.

T




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh Weber" <weberlajes@gmail.com>
To: "ne-raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd


> Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to
constitute
> an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents in
> the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke up
> and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
>
> PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate since
> his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among underage,
> white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
>
> And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains commercial
> success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose music
has
> been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored Playstation
> and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40 Pop
> artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on
this
> list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These are
> quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and Oakie.  They
> were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity" aren't
> what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers of
> retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just reinforces
what
> we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.
>
> And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
>
> OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being such a
> stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and
can't
> find an orange.
>
> On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> >
> > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
> >
> > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was the
> > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that of
> > the jsm.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Skinner
> > http://blackmonolith.com
> >
> > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you
> > expect to find it?" -Dogen
> >
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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC: Citysol party courtesy of renewable energy (Sundays) 

Part of a 3-festival summer series: featuring renewable energy-powered live 
music from Matthias Heilbronn, Michelle Shaprow, Bruce Tantum, Malena Perez, The 
Les, Bridget Marie 23, Nickodemus and Imani Uzuri Rock Quartet; interactive 
exhibits showcasing key innovations, practices and policies for New York's 
sustainable future (Solar Power, Wind Power, Hybrid Taxi, Zero Waste, Green 
Roofs, Congestion Pricing), and a green lifestyle marketplace offering apparel, 
electronics, household goods, media and much more.

July 23
Jay-J
Krazy Native
Matthias Heilbronn
Michelle Shaprow
Bruce Tantum
Malena Perez
The Les
Bridget Marie 23
Nickodemus
Imani Uzuri Rock Quartet

August 13
MKL
Egg Foo
The Himalayan Marching Band
Vasilli Gavre & Emme
Monica Sharp
DJ Sascha
Marc-Alan Gray
Kudu
Ocote Soul Sounds

East 23rd St & the East River
Sunday, 12pm-8pm
FREE!

*CALL FOR VOLUNTEERS: There are many opportunities for you to be involved with 
Solar One! We are looking for volunteers for our Sunday, July 23rd CITYSOL 
event, with volunteer shifts from 9am-12pm, 12:30pm-3:00pm, 3:00pm-5:30pm, 
5:30pm-8:00pm, and 8:00pm-9:30pm, giving you plenty of time to enjoy festivities 
before and after your shifts! Volunteer duties will include setting up, selling 
drink tickets, checking IDs, watching over waste stations and cleaning up. If 
you are interested, please e-mail jenn@solar1.org or call (212) 505-6050 with 
your availability and contact information as soon as possible. Thank you!

Visit www.citysol.org for more information.
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] PLUR definition

Easy now. It's been so quiet in here newer people haven't had a chance to get to 
know one another. Especially getting accustomed to Skinner, Meatsock, Frank and 
Josh's senses of humor. They're rabble-rousing trouble makers but they are 
totally joking. They don't have real raver girls like rAinBowgirl Lori to bash 
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Can you really see yourself wailing on tards like that.

So everyone take it easy when slagging on strangers whether you are joking or 
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i donno dude, glowsticks go pretty deep!

On 7/22/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> So PLUR serves a purpose!
> And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!

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that's what she said!

On 7/22/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
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>  Only you would know dude....
>
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> i donno dude, glowsticks go pretty deep!
>
> On 7/22/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> > So PLUR serves a purpose!
> > And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!
>
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Only you would know dude....


  i donno dude, glowsticks go pretty deep!

  On 7/22/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
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  > And it goes way deeper than any glowstick! 

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And she said her name was Lola....
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> that's what she said!
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> On 7/22/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
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> >  Only you would know dude....
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> > i donno dude, glowsticks go pretty deep!
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hi, is there anyone in the nyc / brooklyn area who wants a whole stack of
old Keyboard and Electronic Musician magazines from the late 80s on up to
very recently?

there's quite a lot, and if you take them, you must take them as a LOT. no
nit-pickers.

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well, first thing first: I'm not just brave behind my keyboard.  And there are others on this list who can vouch for that.  I (when serious) cash the checks my mouth writes. 

now, as far as history lessons go, this is really the wrong group to try to pull that shit.  Most of us have either been here (and by here I mean rave, not just list) since, or near, the beginning.  We are students of history.  However, and this is where I believe the problem lies, we don't think that just because something is "history" it is automatically good or sensical.  PLUR is a fucking joke.  You can quote all the Dr. King you want, Jesse Jackson, but it doesn't mean shit here.  We have no problem with aspects of those concepts on an individual basis but even then they are in moderation.  One earns respect, for example.  

Basically, yeah, that "fuck you" was directed at you, you pretentious failed-miscarriage.

 -Josh
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Was that F.U. directed at me? Easy to be brave when you have a keyboard to hide behind...but I'll show some "R"espect and refrain from the abusive language.

Does anyone here know how the term PLUR came to be?
It was two idiots at one of Frankie Bones legendary Storm Raves started a fight and Frankie stopped the music and asked for some Peace Love
Understading ....

I personally have never owned a single item of rave gear, raver clothing, glowsticks, pacifiers, glitter or any of it. I don't judge people by what they wear or the color of their skin. I do judge by "content of
character" -MLK
However you're the only one making that connection between attire and PLUR. PLUR has NOTHING to do with any of that...it's a set of values that
transends materialistic gear.

I do believe PLUR is an idealistic (maybe even overly idealistic) challenge that Frankie Bones put forward.
While I am in 100% in support of those ideals... I also believe that
promoters supported PLUR for a whole different reason... GREED. And to quote Micheal Douglas... this is a case where "Greed is good" It's good for the scene. Rave promoters want/need to keep the raves from getting shut down. People who act like jerks and instigate fights are going to draw the ire of venue owners, neighbors, concerned citizens, and ultimately the police.

I've held lots of parties in NYC... and police have shown up.. if they see everyone having a good time and nothing blatantly illegal going on... they usually let well be. (At least in my experience). So PLUR serves a purpose! And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!

Lastly another issue on this Ring....I just see it a lot in various forums and it doesn't have to be about rave. They are the list clowns.... who always have to interject a "joke" into every single thread.  The excuse is always the same.. "if you knew us, you would know that we are joking" ... all it is hijcking the thread and not helping a gal who just wanted to sell her PVD ticket!!!

Good work... instead of helping a friend, you dissed her.


Oh and someone find me a picture of Frankie Bones with a pacifier since he invented the term PLUR! If someone does I'll stop using the term.

T




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> Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to constitute
 an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents in
 the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke up
 and am running around to get up to PS1 today):

> PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate since
 his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among underage,
 white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
 "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.

> And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains commercial
 success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose music has
 been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored Playstation
 and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40 Pop
 artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on this
 list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These are
 quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and Oakie.  They
 were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity" aren't
 what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers of
 retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just reinforces what
 we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.

> And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.

> OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being such a
 stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and can't
 find an orange.

> On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
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 > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
 >
 > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
 >
 > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was the
 > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that of
 > the jsm.
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 > http://blackmonolith.com
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what's wrong with girls named lola?  she sounds tight, yo.

Oh, and not really RR, but the new J5 album is making people stare at me on the train because I'm pretty much dancing in my seat.  I am so awesome.

 -Josh
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And she said her name was Lola....
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> that's what she said!

> On 7/22/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
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 >  Only you would know dude....
 >
 > ----- Original Message -----
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 > i donno dude, glowsticks go pretty deep!
 >
 > On 7/22/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
 > > So PLUR serves a purpose!
 > > And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!
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Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?! There are 
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Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that it's not 
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I make no claim to be an insider in rave culture. I make no claim to be an
expert. I just thought I should speak up and share some personal
observations. If you reply to this, please do not attack me personally
because it's just a waste of your time, i'm really not interested in getting
into hissy fights.

But I have to say from my observations that there are two type of ravers:
the first group says greed is bad and decry the "materialism" of promoters
and any EDM that becomes popular, preferring the more underground styles
like house and dnb and tekno and hardcore etc. These people are almost
always hostile to the second group. These people want their music to stay
underground and they don't want their stuff to get popular.

The second group loves the sheer hedonism and mindless self indulgence that
raves can be. They love the sugar-coated sound of trance and happy hardcore
and hard dance and eurodance and etc. These are your candy ravers, your
trancewhores, your eurotrash but they don't have to don oodles of bracelets.
Plenty of people in this group don't -- they just simply love trance and
melodic EDM. The second group usually doesn't attack the first group, they
use their PLUR on them. They love, understand, and respect them.

I know I'm oversimplifying this, but I think it works. So how about the
first and second group just stop fighting one another for ownership of the
rave scene? We can have our separate events, but I don't think it has to be
that way. I would tend to be more toward the second group, but I like the
hard sounds of the first group sometimes. I'm never going to say the first
group's music is worthless, though some of it really just sounds like shit
to me.

Evan

PS-if anyone in the second group wants to join a message board i'm trying to
start up, come to www.trancend.proboards80.com . it's basically going to be
about the trance philosophy and events and whatnot if it ever gets up.



On 22 Jul 2006 15:07:00 -0300, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> well, first thing first: I'm not just brave behind my keyboard.  And there
> are others on this list who can vouch for that.  I (when serious) cash the
> checks my mouth writes.
>
> now, as far as history lessons go, this is really the wrong group to try
> to pull that shit.  Most of us have either been here (and by here I mean
> rave, not just list) since, or near, the beginning.  We are students of
> history.  However, and this is where I believe the problem lies, we don't
> think that just because something is "history" it is automatically good or
> sensical.  PLUR is a fucking joke.  You can quote all the Dr. King you want,
> Jesse Jackson, but it doesn't mean shit here.  We have no problem with
> aspects of those concepts on an individual basis but even then they are in
> moderation.  One earns respect, for example.
>
> Basically, yeah, that "fuck you" was directed at you, you pretentious
> failed-miscarriage.
>
> -Josh
> --Sent from Treo Smartphone
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> Date: Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 1:34 pm
> Subject: PLUR definition
>
> Was that F.U. directed at me? Easy to be brave when you have a keyboard to
> hide behind...but I'll show some "R"espect and refrain from the abusive
> language.
>
> Does anyone here know how the term PLUR came to be?
> It was two idiots at one of Frankie Bones legendary Storm Raves started a
> fight and Frankie stopped the music and asked for some Peace Love
> Understading ....
>
> I personally have never owned a single item of rave gear, raver clothing,
> glowsticks, pacifiers, glitter or any of it. I don't judge people by what
> they wear or the color of their skin. I do judge by "content of
> character" -MLK
> However you're the only one making that connection between attire and
> PLUR. PLUR has NOTHING to do with any of that...it's a set of values that
> transends materialistic gear.
>
> I do believe PLUR is an idealistic (maybe even overly idealistic)
> challenge that Frankie Bones put forward.
> While I am in 100% in support of those ideals... I also believe that
> promoters supported PLUR for a whole different reason... GREED. And to
> quote Micheal Douglas... this is a case where "Greed is good" It's good for
> the scene. Rave promoters want/need to keep the raves from getting shut
> down. People who act like jerks and instigate fights are going to draw the
> ire of venue owners, neighbors, concerned citizens, and ultimately the
> police.
>
> I've held lots of parties in NYC... and police have shown up.. if they see
> everyone having a good time and nothing blatantly illegal going on... they
> usually let well be. (At least in my experience). So PLUR serves a purpose!
> And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!
>
> Lastly another issue on this Ring....I just see it a lot in various forums
> and it doesn't have to be about rave. They are the list clowns.... who
> always have to interject a "joke" into every single thread.  The excuse is
> always the same.. "if you knew us, you would know that we are joking" ...
> all it is hijcking the thread and not helping a gal who just wanted to sell
> her PVD ticket!!!
>
> Good work... instead of helping a friend, you dissed her.
>
>
> Oh and someone find me a picture of Frankie Bones with a pacifier since he
> invented the term PLUR! If someone does I'll stop using the term.
>
> T
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh Weber" <weberlajes@gmail.com>
> To: "ne-raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
>
>
> > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to
> constitute
> an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents in
> the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke up
> and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
>
> > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate
> since
> his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among underage,
> white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
>
> > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains commercial
> success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose music
> has
> been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored Playstation
> and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40 Pop
> artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on
> this
> list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These are
> quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and Oakie.  They
> were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity" aren't
> what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers of
> retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just reinforces
> what
> we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.
>
> > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
>
> > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being such a
> stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and
> can't
> find an orange.
>
> > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> >
> > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
> >
> > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was the
> > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that of
> > the jsm.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Skinner
> > http://blackmonolith.com
> >
> > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you
> > expect to find it?" -Dogen
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, Jasper wrote:

->http://hyperreal.org/raves/ne/archives/net-parties/2001-Google/NER_-_Google_9-9-2001__19.jpg 
->Can you really see yourself wailing on tards like that.

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Subject: [ne-raves] Accoona Picnic? -was- PLUR definition

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, Skinner wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, Jasper wrote:
>
> ->http://hyperreal.org/raves/ne/archives/net-parties/2001-Google/NER_-_Google_9-9-2001__19.jpg
> ->Can you really see yourself wailing on tards like that.
>
> I don't belive that picture is still is around... Was I drunk that
> night. Would you belive that one of those tards is a Dr in training
> and the other a VP? Scary isn't it.

If you have to ask you've already answered your question. You and Frank were 
rocked that night. Think you took a head dive down some marble steps and freaked 
the fuck out of us. You bounced up like it was nothing. Maybe that's the answer 
to your memory loss.

*grumble*... Fuck Mother Nature and the MTA! Got me stuck inside on a summer 
Saturday. Heard PS1 was moved indoors. And no L service to BAP. Tomorrow better 
be nice. </rant>

Think we can get more than a dozen people to show for a little list picnic? 
Might I suggest Accoona (http://accoona.com) as the working title? Other 
suggestions? I'm going to vote NYC unless someone wants to step up and secure a 
spot. It's fairly central and the City is a draw in itself. Been to some really 
nice laid back events at that park at the SW tip of Manhattan. Forget the name 
right now. Will shoot off an email to the Riot kids for tips. Anyone here know 
them personally?

Jasper

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i think there might be more than two!

On 7/22/06, D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I make no claim to be an insider in rave culture. I make no claim to be an
> expert. I just thought I should speak up and share some personal
> observations. If you reply to this, please do not attack me personally
> because it's just a waste of your time, i'm really not interested in
> getting
> into hissy fights.
>
> But I have to say from my observations that there are two type of ravers:
> the first group says greed is bad and decry the "materialism" of promoters
> and any EDM that becomes popular, preferring the more underground styles
> like house and dnb and tekno and hardcore etc. These people are almost
> always hostile to the second group. These people want their music to stay
> underground and they don't want their stuff to get popular.
>
> The second group loves the sheer hedonism and mindless self indulgence
> that
> raves can be. They love the sugar-coated sound of trance and happy
> hardcore
> and hard dance and eurodance and etc. These are your candy ravers, your
> trancewhores, your eurotrash but they don't have to don oodles of
> bracelets.
> Plenty of people in this group don't -- they just simply love trance and
> melodic EDM. The second group usually doesn't attack the first group, they
> use their PLUR on them. They love, understand, and respect them.
>
> I know I'm oversimplifying this, but I think it works. So how about the
> first and second group just stop fighting one another for ownership of the
> rave scene? We can have our separate events, but I don't think it has to
> be
> that way. I would tend to be more toward the second group, but I like the
> hard sounds of the first group sometimes. I'm never going to say the first
> group's music is worthless, though some of it really just sounds like shit
> to me.
>
> Evan
>
> PS-if anyone in the second group wants to join a message board i'm trying
> to
> start up, come to www.trancend.proboards80.com . it's basically going to
> be
> about the trance philosophy and events and whatnot if it ever gets up.
>
>
>
> On 22 Jul 2006 15:07:00 -0300, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > well, first thing first: I'm not just brave behind my keyboard.  And
> there
> > are others on this list who can vouch for that.  I (when serious) cash
> the
> > checks my mouth writes.
> >
> > now, as far as history lessons go, this is really the wrong group to try
> > to pull that shit.  Most of us have either been here (and by here I mean
> > rave, not just list) since, or near, the beginning.  We are students of
> > history.  However, and this is where I believe the problem lies, we
> don't
> > think that just because something is "history" it is automatically good
> or
> > sensical.  PLUR is a fucking joke.  You can quote all the Dr. King you
> want,
> > Jesse Jackson, but it doesn't mean shit here.  We have no problem with
> > aspects of those concepts on an individual basis but even then they are
> in
> > moderation.  One earns respect, for example.
> >
> > Basically, yeah, that "fuck you" was directed at you, you pretentious
> > failed-miscarriage.
> >
> > -Josh
> > --Sent from Treo Smartphone
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > Date: Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 1:34 pm
> > Subject: PLUR definition
> >
> > Was that F.U. directed at me? Easy to be brave when you have a keyboard
> to
> > hide behind...but I'll show some "R"espect and refrain from the abusive
> > language.
> >
> > Does anyone here know how the term PLUR came to be?
> > It was two idiots at one of Frankie Bones legendary Storm Raves started
> a
> > fight and Frankie stopped the music and asked for some Peace Love
> > Understading ....
> >
> > I personally have never owned a single item of rave gear, raver
> clothing,
> > glowsticks, pacifiers, glitter or any of it. I don't judge people by
> what
> > they wear or the color of their skin. I do judge by "content of
> > character" -MLK
> > However you're the only one making that connection between attire and
> > PLUR. PLUR has NOTHING to do with any of that...it's a set of values
> that
> > transends materialistic gear.
> >
> > I do believe PLUR is an idealistic (maybe even overly idealistic)
> > challenge that Frankie Bones put forward.
> > While I am in 100% in support of those ideals... I also believe that
> > promoters supported PLUR for a whole different reason... GREED. And to
> > quote Micheal Douglas... this is a case where "Greed is good" It's good
> for
> > the scene. Rave promoters want/need to keep the raves from getting shut
> > down. People who act like jerks and instigate fights are going to draw
> the
> > ire of venue owners, neighbors, concerned citizens, and ultimately the
> > police.
> >
> > I've held lots of parties in NYC... and police have shown up.. if they
> see
> > everyone having a good time and nothing blatantly illegal going on...
> they
> > usually let well be. (At least in my experience). So PLUR serves a
> purpose!
> > And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!
> >
> > Lastly another issue on this Ring....I just see it a lot in various
> forums
> > and it doesn't have to be about rave. They are the list clowns.... who
> > always have to interject a "joke" into every single thread.  The excuse
> is
> > always the same.. "if you knew us, you would know that we are joking"
> ...
> > all it is hijcking the thread and not helping a gal who just wanted to
> sell
> > her PVD ticket!!!
> >
> > Good work... instead of helping a friend, you dissed her.
> >
> >
> > Oh and someone find me a picture of Frankie Bones with a pacifier since
> he
> > invented the term PLUR! If someone does I'll stop using the term.
> >
> > T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Josh Weber" <weberlajes@gmail.com>
> > To: "ne-raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> >
> >
> > > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to
> > constitute
> > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents
> in
> > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke
> up
> > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> >
> > > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate
> > since
> > his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among underage,
> > white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> >
> > > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains commercial
> > success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose music
> > has
> > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored
> Playstation
> > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40
> Pop
> > artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on
> > this
> > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These
> are
> > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and Oakie.  They
> > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity" aren't
> > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers of
> > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just reinforces
> > what
> > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.
> >
> > > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> >
> > > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being such
> a
> > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and
> > can't
> > find an orange.
> >
> > > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > >
> > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
> > >
> > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was the
> > > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that of
> > > the jsm.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Skinner
> > > http://blackmonolith.com
> > >
> > > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you
> > > expect to find it?" -Dogen
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
>
>
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> College of Arts and Sciences
> Cornell '09
>
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True... i enjoy oversimplification

On 7/23/06, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i think there might be more than two!
>
>
> On 7/22/06, D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I make no claim to be an insider in rave culture. I make no claim to be
> > an
> > expert. I just thought I should speak up and share some personal
> > observations. If you reply to this, please do not attack me personally
> > because it's just a waste of your time, i'm really not interested in
> > getting
> > into hissy fights.
> >
> > But I have to say from my observations that there are two type of
> > ravers:
> > the first group says greed is bad and decry the "materialism" of
> > promoters
> > and any EDM that becomes popular, preferring the more underground styles
> > like house and dnb and tekno and hardcore etc. These people are almost
> > always hostile to the second group. These people want their music to
> > stay
> > underground and they don't want their stuff to get popular.
> >
> > The second group loves the sheer hedonism and mindless self indulgence
> > that
> > raves can be. They love the sugar-coated sound of trance and happy
> > hardcore
> > and hard dance and eurodance and etc. These are your candy ravers, your
> > trancewhores, your eurotrash but they don't have to don oodles of
> > bracelets.
> > Plenty of people in this group don't -- they just simply love trance and
> > melodic EDM. The second group usually doesn't attack the first group,
> > they
> > use their PLUR on them. They love, understand, and respect them.
> >
> > I know I'm oversimplifying this, but I think it works. So how about the
> > first and second group just stop fighting one another for ownership of
> > the
> > rave scene? We can have our separate events, but I don't think it has to
> > be
> > that way. I would tend to be more toward the second group, but I like
> > the
> > hard sounds of the first group sometimes. I'm never going to say the
> > first
> > group's music is worthless, though some of it really just sounds like
> > shit
> > to me.
> >
> > Evan
> >
> > PS-if anyone in the second group wants to join a message board i'm
> > trying to
> > start up, come to www.trancend.proboards80.com . it's basically going to
> > be
> > about the trance philosophy and events and whatnot if it ever gets up.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 22 Jul 2006 15:07:00 -0300, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > well, first thing first: I'm not just brave behind my keyboard.  And
> > there
> > > are others on this list who can vouch for that.  I (when serious) cash
> > the
> > > checks my mouth writes.
> > >
> > > now, as far as history lessons go, this is really the wrong group to
> > try
> > > to pull that shit.  Most of us have either been here (and by here I
> > mean
> > > rave, not just list) since, or near, the beginning.  We are students
> > of
> > > history.  However, and this is where I believe the problem lies, we
> > don't
> > > think that just because something is "history" it is automatically
> > good or
> > > sensical.  PLUR is a fucking joke.  You can quote all the Dr. King you
> > want,
> > > Jesse Jackson, but it doesn't mean shit here.  We have no problem with
> >
> > > aspects of those concepts on an individual basis but even then they
> > are in
> > > moderation.  One earns respect, for example.
> > >
> > > Basically, yeah, that "fuck you" was directed at you, you pretentious
> > > failed-miscarriage.
> > >
> > > -Josh
> > > --Sent from Treo Smartphone
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com >
> > > Date: Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 1:34 pm
> > > Subject: PLUR definition
> > >
> > > Was that F.U. directed at me? Easy to be brave when you have a
> > keyboard to
> > > hide behind...but I'll show some "R"espect and refrain from the
> > abusive
> > > language.
> > >
> > > Does anyone here know how the term PLUR came to be?
> > > It was two idiots at one of Frankie Bones legendary Storm Raves
> > started a
> > > fight and Frankie stopped the music and asked for some Peace Love
> > > Understading ....
> > >
> > > I personally have never owned a single item of rave gear, raver
> > clothing,
> > > glowsticks, pacifiers, glitter or any of it. I don't judge people by
> > what
> > > they wear or the color of their skin. I do judge by "content of
> > > character" -MLK
> > > However you're the only one making that connection between attire and
> > > PLUR. PLUR has NOTHING to do with any of that...it's a set of values
> > that
> > > transends materialistic gear.
> > >
> > > I do believe PLUR is an idealistic (maybe even overly idealistic)
> > > challenge that Frankie Bones put forward.
> > > While I am in 100% in support of those ideals... I also believe that
> > > promoters supported PLUR for a whole different reason... GREED. And to
> >
> > > quote Micheal Douglas... this is a case where "Greed is good" It's
> > good for
> > > the scene. Rave promoters want/need to keep the raves from getting
> > shut
> > > down. People who act like jerks and instigate fights are going to draw
> > the
> > > ire of venue owners, neighbors, concerned citizens, and ultimately the
> > > police.
> > >
> > > I've held lots of parties in NYC... and police have shown up.. if they
> > see
> > > everyone having a good time and nothing blatantly illegal going on...
> > they
> > > usually let well be. (At least in my experience). So PLUR serves a
> > purpose!
> > > And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!
> > >
> > > Lastly another issue on this Ring....I just see it a lot in various
> > forums
> > > and it doesn't have to be about rave. They are the list clowns.... who
> > > always have to interject a "joke" into every single thread.  The
> > excuse is
> > > always the same.. "if you knew us, you would know that we are joking"
> > ...
> > > all it is hijcking the thread and not helping a gal who just wanted to
> > sell
> > > her PVD ticket!!!
> > >
> > > Good work... instead of helping a friend, you dissed her.
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh and someone find me a picture of Frankie Bones with a pacifier
> > since he
> > > invented the term PLUR! If someone does I'll stop using the term.
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Josh Weber" < weberlajes@gmail.com>
> > > To: "ne-raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to
> > > constitute
> > > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents
> > in
> > > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke
> > up
> > > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> > >
> > > > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate
> > > since
> > > his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among
> > underage,
> > > white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> > >
> > > > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains
> > commercial
> > > success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose
> > music
> > > has
> > > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored
> > Playstation
> > > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40
> > Pop
> > > artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on
> > > this
> > > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These
> > are
> > > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and
> > Oakie.  They
> > > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity"
> > aren't
> > > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers
> > of
> > > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just
> > reinforces
> > > what
> > > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.
> > >
> > > > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> > >
> > > > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being
> > such a
> > > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and
> > > can't
> > > find an orange.
> > >
> > > > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
> > > >
> > > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was
> > the
> > > > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that
> > of
> > > > the jsm.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Skinner
> > > > http://blackmonolith.com
> > > >
> > > > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you
> > > > expect to find it?" -Dogen
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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well, it accomplished a lot here. now we'll know how to line up for teams at
the NER annual softball game.

On 7/23/06, D. Evan Mulvihill <d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> True... i enjoy oversimplification
>
>
> On 7/23/06, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > i think there might be more than two!
> >
> >
> > On 7/22/06, D. Evan Mulvihill < d.evan.mulvihill@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I make no claim to be an insider in rave culture. I make no claim to
> > > be an
> > > expert. I just thought I should speak up and share some personal
> > > observations. If you reply to this, please do not attack me personally
> > > because it's just a waste of your time, i'm really not interested in
> > > getting
> > > into hissy fights.
> > >
> > > But I have to say from my observations that there are two type of
> > > ravers:
> > > the first group says greed is bad and decry the "materialism" of
> > > promoters
> > > and any EDM that becomes popular, preferring the more underground
> > > styles
> > > like house and dnb and tekno and hardcore etc. These people are almost
> > >
> > > always hostile to the second group. These people want their music to
> > > stay
> > > underground and they don't want their stuff to get popular.
> > >
> > > The second group loves the sheer hedonism and mindless self indulgence
> > > that
> > > raves can be. They love the sugar-coated sound of trance and happy
> > > hardcore
> > > and hard dance and eurodance and etc. These are your candy ravers,
> > > your
> > > trancewhores, your eurotrash but they don't have to don oodles of
> > > bracelets.
> > > Plenty of people in this group don't -- they just simply love trance
> > > and
> > > melodic EDM. The second group usually doesn't attack the first group,
> > > they
> > > use their PLUR on them. They love, understand, and respect them.
> > >
> > > I know I'm oversimplifying this, but I think it works. So how about
> > > the
> > > first and second group just stop fighting one another for ownership of
> > > the
> > > rave scene? We can have our separate events, but I don't think it has
> > > to be
> > > that way. I would tend to be more toward the second group, but I like
> > > the
> > > hard sounds of the first group sometimes. I'm never going to say the
> > > first
> > > group's music is worthless, though some of it really just sounds like
> > > shit
> > > to me.
> > >
> > > Evan
> > >
> > > PS-if anyone in the second group wants to join a message board i'm
> > > trying to
> > > start up, come to www.trancend.proboards80.com . it's basically going
> > > to be
> > > about the trance philosophy and events and whatnot if it ever gets up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 22 Jul 2006 15:07:00 -0300, Josh Weber < weberlajes@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > well, first thing first: I'm not just brave behind my keyboard.  And
> > > there
> > > > are others on this list who can vouch for that.  I (when serious)
> > > cash the
> > > > checks my mouth writes.
> > > >
> > > > now, as far as history lessons go, this is really the wrong group to
> > > try
> > > > to pull that shit.  Most of us have either been here (and by here I
> > > mean
> > > > rave, not just list) since, or near, the beginning.  We are students
> > > of
> > > > history.  However, and this is where I believe the problem lies, we
> > > don't
> > > > think that just because something is "history" it is automatically
> > > good or
> > > > sensical.  PLUR is a fucking joke.  You can quote all the Dr. King
> > > you want,
> > > > Jesse Jackson, but it doesn't mean shit here.  We have no problem
> > > with
> > > > aspects of those concepts on an individual basis but even then they
> > > are in
> > > > moderation.  One earns respect, for example.
> > > >
> > > > Basically, yeah, that "fuck you" was directed at you, you
> > > pretentious
> > > > failed-miscarriage.
> > > >
> > > > -Josh
> > > > --Sent from Treo Smartphone
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Thomas Noe < admin@internationalswede.com >
> > > > Date: Saturday, Jul 22, 2006 1:34 pm
> > > > Subject: PLUR definition
> > > >
> > > > Was that F.U. directed at me? Easy to be brave when you have a
> > > keyboard to
> > > > hide behind...but I'll show some "R"espect and refrain from the
> > > abusive
> > > > language.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone here know how the term PLUR came to be?
> > > > It was two idiots at one of Frankie Bones legendary Storm Raves
> > > started a
> > > > fight and Frankie stopped the music and asked for some Peace Love
> > > > Understading ....
> > > >
> > > > I personally have never owned a single item of rave gear, raver
> > > clothing,
> > > > glowsticks, pacifiers, glitter or any of it. I don't judge people by
> > > what
> > > > they wear or the color of their skin. I do judge by "content of
> > > > character" -MLK
> > > > However you're the only one making that connection between attire
> > > and
> > > > PLUR. PLUR has NOTHING to do with any of that...it's a set of values
> > > that
> > > > transends materialistic gear.
> > > >
> > > > I do believe PLUR is an idealistic (maybe even overly idealistic)
> > > > challenge that Frankie Bones put forward.
> > > > While I am in 100% in support of those ideals... I also believe that
> > > > promoters supported PLUR for a whole different reason... GREED. And
> > > to
> > > > quote Micheal Douglas... this is a case where "Greed is good" It's
> > > good for
> > > > the scene. Rave promoters want/need to keep the raves from getting
> > > shut
> > > > down. People who act like jerks and instigate fights are going to
> > > draw the
> > > > ire of venue owners, neighbors, concerned citizens, and ultimately
> > > the
> > > > police.
> > > >
> > > > I've held lots of parties in NYC... and police have shown up.. if
> > > they see
> > > > everyone having a good time and nothing blatantly illegal going
> > > on... they
> > > > usually let well be. (At least in my experience). So PLUR serves a
> > > purpose!
> > > > And it goes way deeper than any glowstick!
> > > >
> > > > Lastly another issue on this Ring....I just see it a lot in various
> > > forums
> > > > and it doesn't have to be about rave. They are the list clowns....
> > > who
> > > > always have to interject a "joke" into every single thread.  The
> > > excuse is
> > > > always the same.. "if you knew us, you would know that we are
> > > joking" ...
> > > > all it is hijcking the thread and not helping a gal who just wanted
> > > to sell
> > > > her PVD ticket!!!
> > > >
> > > > Good work... instead of helping a friend, you dissed her.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh and someone find me a picture of Frankie Bones with a pacifier
> > > since he
> > > > invented the term PLUR! If someone does I'll stop using the term.
> > > >
> > > > T
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Josh Weber" < weberlajes@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "ne-raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org >
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to
> > > > constitute
> > > > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two
> > > cents in
> > > > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just
> > > woke up
> > > > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> > > >
> > > > > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is
> > > appropriate
> > > > since
> > > > his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among
> > > underage,
> > > > white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking,
> > > glitter-wearing,
> > > > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> > > >
> > > > > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains
> > > commercial
> > > > success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose
> > > music
> > > > has
> > > > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored
> > > Playstation
> > > > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top
> > > 40 Pop
> > > > artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people
> > > on
> > > > this
> > > > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy
> > > Slim.  These are
> > > > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and
> > > Oakie.  They
> > > > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity"
> > > aren't
> > > > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer
> > > numbers of
> > > > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just
> > > reinforces
> > > > what
> > > > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.
> > > >
> > > > > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> > > >
> > > > > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being
> > > such a
> > > > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy
> > > and
> > > > can't
> > > > find an orange.
> > > >
> > > > > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was
> > > the
> > > > > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that
> > > of
> > > > > the jsm.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Skinner
> > > > > http://blackmonolith.com
> > > > >
> > > > > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do
> > > you
> > > > > expect to find it?" -Dogen
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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healthcare in the us is scary...so nothing surprises me :-)

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> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, Jasper wrote:
>
> ->http://hyperreal.org/raves/ne/archives/net-parties/2001-Google/NER_-_Goo
gle_9-9-2001__19.jpg
> ->Can you really see yourself wailing on tards like that.
>
> I don't belive that picture is still is around... Was I drunk that
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is there a list i can just get party info on...without having you all  
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I think I look damn good in that coat ;)

im not that scary of a doctor.

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> healthcare in the us is scary...so nothing surprises
> me :-)
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> >
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->http://hyperreal.org/raves/ne/archives/net-parties/2001-Google/NER_-_Goo
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> >
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Subject: [ne-raves] Soul Summit today in Fort Greene Park, Brooklyn

Hey all, 

found this good link with a map!

http://www.fortgreenepark.org/pages/directions1a.htm

werd, as soon as i shake my hangover and rally the
troops im gonna head over i think.

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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006, Doc2b4fun@aol.com wrote:

> is there a list i can just get party info on...without having you all
> blabber in my mailbox all day long!!!???

You are totally missing the point. Listserves like this and messageboards don't 
exist without dialogue. There are announce only lists but they are very rare in 
my experience. The only I know of is run by the very dedicated Spinoza and is 
NYC centric.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/nyc_electronic_events_calendar/

Or you have to go out and scour for yourself. Don't be lazy. Trying to set a 
good example here but I don't really see people passing along event info unless 
it's BSP (blatant self-promotion). A forward takes 2 seconds. There was an 
announce only list for NYC but since it was community driven and no one was 
feeling generous it petered out. I'm getting old and I don't have a finger on 
the pulse anymore (not that I really ever did). Others are going to have to step 
up or they have no one to blame but themselves when they don't know where to go 
for fun.

I can understand people getting fed up with blabber. It's impossibly difficult 
to maintain the balance of freedom of speech and being accused of fascist 
censorship. The key is consistency. With the good comes the bad and hopefully 
the later is infrequent. If something someone says bugs you reply. It's a free 
country. Just know the difference between intelligent discourse and biting your 
tongue with someone itching for a flame war.

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whadda mean you're getting old?!?!?!

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs


I was on ne-raves eons ago - left a long time ago

moved to NY about 6-7 years ago and joined nyc-raves

seems now I've come full-circle....

*hug

-melzie aka sleepy ny cheesecake

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, ken@nucleus.hjsoft.com wrote:

>
> OMG!!!!!  The DCRaves Queen is on NERaves!!!!!
>
> How long have you been lurking on here?  8 years?
>
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Melzie wrote:
>
>>
>> Sadly, the DC-Raves mailing list may be a bit better for those areas.
>>
>> I'm originally from MD/DC, but moved up to NY a bit ago.  I'm still down
>> there quite a bit though!
>>
>> -melzie
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, alter_mike-groups@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Does this list cover the Washington, DC area?
>>>
>>>  Anybody out there from DC, MD, or VA?
>>>
>>>  I'm looking for some community!
>>>
>>>  THANKS!
>>>
>>>  Michael
>>>
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Subject: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs, the monday rant

Really wanted to reply to this, but the weekend came, and I walked
away from the computer for a bit.  :-)

On 7/21/06, Scott Cherry <djsquelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
> i hate to say it, but i think the community is
> suffering seriously if not dying.

The DC community?  Really?

When Buzz left DC, went to Baltimore, came back, and became Cubik, the
staple of friday nights in the Baltimore-DC area went from 2500 people
a week... to 500.

The drugs went away.  A good bit of the shade went away, too.

The people who enjoyed the music, and/or just enjoyed a bar scene,
stuck around.  And rebuilt.  And rebuilt.  And rebuilt.

Last week was the last week of Cubik @ Nation, as they tear the place
down real soon now.  They were regularly back up over 1000 people a
week, and the finale drew 2500, plus lines out the door that didn't
get in.

The death of Cubik gave us a new all-techno night, a new night at
Ocean Drive in Silver Spring, and Buzzlife is doing monthly one-offs
at the 9:30 club while planning to bring back a weekly at the Tunnel
in DC, once ALIAS and Alchemy test the waters there.

Sleaze, the Electro crew, has a firm spot on XM radio.  Thievery
Corporation has their bar, the 18th St. Lounge.  There's two wednesday
night events; either dnb or breaks at FIVE, or Transit at Bridges
poolhall.  Thursday, ALIAS isn't even slowing down, as they're already
starting back up at the Tunnel.  Eric Phipps, a DC guy, has started a
series of events called Genrevore up in Baltimore.

And that's not even touching the Kooltronica list (non-dance
electronica), or the hip-hop/electronic overlaps that tour through, or
things like the Black Cat.

All summer, there's a variety of events within driving distance; Gaian
Mind, Frequency Festival, Island Party, all come to mind as small
events with a damn fine vibe for the absolutely unique venues.


It may not be the uber-popular "hey we're pop culture!" 1999-2001ish
era, but DC is thriving.  The scene has changed, not died.


> all the major series
> events have gone the way of dust in the wind. a
> younger generation has come in and the old fogies of
> the list are disinclined to keep up. its hard to not
> compare the present with the past, because there is no
> comparison, nor will there ever be. i think people
> find it easier to abandon a youthful vibe when their
> scene withers or changes.

That I can agree with, 100%.


> being so close to dc, there is a lot of competition
> for the local scene. most venues would rather support
> hip hop or rock, regardless of the commercialization
> of electronic dance music. you hear it being used for
> commercials and jingles, even on the news...

To bring in a large rave crowd, you usually need some serious headliners.

They charge serious $$$, as they can merit charging that sort of cash
in Europe, and other cities that have *always* had a larger scene than
us.

Rock bands bring out larger crowds, have lower ticket prices, make the
club a larger profit, and let the promoter be 'safer' in making their
money back.  Upcoming rock acts and small bands *aren't*
prima-fucking-donnas, and don't expect the world.  They just want to
play.  Thus, the closing of Sonar in Baltimore to electronic, and why
Ultraworld only does Starscape... and bands.

Nights like the "2000s dance party" in the Red Room at the Black Cat
always sell to capacity, because they're a hella lotta fun and $5.

I think the biggest two crimes against electronic dance music in DC is
that there's *never* a $5 weekend night with local DJs just having
fun, and that weekday-nights don't really ever get started until 11 or
12, when most of us old fucks want to be almost headed home for bed.

> but its
> never enough. there will always be the stereotype
> attatched to raves and ravers. that we're indecent...
> that the scene is drug-laced and we're all freaks.

The scene is drug laced.  All underground scenes are drug laced.

For the most part, anything labelled underground will probably have
more drugs than something labelled mainstream.  Hip hop, rave, punk,
emo, these all have much more drug use by the crowd than rock, jazz,
rnb, and rap.

Scenes stay underground because they're not desireable to the
mainstream, for one reason or another.

> sure its ok to listen to it but dont dare embrace it-
> that sort of thing... i fought my family tooth and
> nail for years about every aspect. my mother has only
> just developed a slight understanding and appreciation
> for it- still not nuts about the whole thing, but at
> least she kinda digs it and will sometimes listen to a
> couple songs (particularly ambient).

I've never been able to get my mother to listen to a whit of it.  I
had to invite her and my father to a party I threw to convince her I
wasn't a drug dealer or a pimp.  At least I won both of those battles?
 :-)


And man, I've diverged a lotta ways in said rant.

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

Giving another listen to PvD's "Out There and Back", I gotta say that
he's definitely doing something right.  And his last set in DC was
halfway to hard, dark techno.  Whereas Fatboy Slim, uh, what the fuck
happened with Palookaville?  Seriously?  :-P

On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to constitute
> an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents in
> the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke up
> and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
>
> PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate since
> his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among underage,
> white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
>
> And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains commercial
> success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose music has
> been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored Playstation
> and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40 Pop
> artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on this
> list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These are
> quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and Oakie.  They
> were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity" aren't
> what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers of
> retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just reinforces what
> we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.
>
> And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
>
> OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being such a
> stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and can't
> find an orange.
>
> On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> >
> > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
> >
> > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was the
> > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that of
> > the jsm.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Skinner
> > http://blackmonolith.com
> >
> > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you
> > expect to find it?" -Dogen
> >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

production != djing ability.

--- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:

> Giving another listen to PvD's "Out There and Back",
> I gotta say that
> he's definitely doing something right.  And his last
> set in DC was
> halfway to hard, dark techno.  Whereas Fatboy Slim,
> uh, what the fuck
> happened with Palookaville?  Seriously?  :-P
> 
> On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative
> to what used to constitute
> > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I
> can throw my two cents in
> > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless,
> seeing as I just woke up
> > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> >
> > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease,
> which is appropriate since
> > his music is a contributing factor in the spread
> of them among underage,
> > white, suburban, big pants wearing,
> pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> >
> > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once
> he gains commercial
> > success, let me just toss a few names out there:
> Mr. Scruff (whose music has
> > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin
> (who's scored Playstation
> > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies
> and worked with Top 40 Pop
> > artists), and my personal favorite (considering
> how very few people on this
> > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live)
> Fatboy Slim.  These are
> > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad
> puns) and Oakie.  They
> > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level
> of "popularity" aren't
> > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact
> that sheer numbers of
> > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it
> good, it just reinforces what
> > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep
> and deserve to die.
> >
> > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> >
> > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless
> twit for being such a
> > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope
> you get scurvy and can't
> > find an orange.
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > >
> > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the
> jsm type stuff
> > >
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> the few years I was the
> > > admin, there was never a time that was more
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this is true, but PVD def knows how to mix, if you dont think he can, that 
means you just dont like trance. close minded bastards :P

-- Zer0


>From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
>To: Dean <talldean@gmail.com>, ne-raves <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>production != djing ability.
>
>--- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Giving another listen to PvD's "Out There and Back",
> > I gotta say that
> > he's definitely doing something right.  And his last
> > set in DC was
> > halfway to hard, dark techno.  Whereas Fatboy Slim,
> > uh, what the fuck
> > happened with Palookaville?  Seriously?  :-P
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative
> > to what used to constitute
> > > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I
> > can throw my two cents in
> > > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless,
> > seeing as I just woke up
> > > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> > >
> > > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease,
> > which is appropriate since
> > > his music is a contributing factor in the spread
> > of them among underage,
> > > white, suburban, big pants wearing,
> > pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> > >
> > > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once
> > he gains commercial
> > > success, let me just toss a few names out there:
> > Mr. Scruff (whose music has
> > > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin
> > (who's scored Playstation
> > > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies
> > and worked with Top 40 Pop
> > > artists), and my personal favorite (considering
> > how very few people on this
> > > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live)
> > Fatboy Slim.  These are
> > > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad
> > puns) and Oakie.  They
> > > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level
> > of "popularity" aren't
> > > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact
> > that sheer numbers of
> > > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it
> > good, it just reinforces what
> > > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep
> > and deserve to die.
> > >
> > > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> > >
> > > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless
> > twit for being such a
> > > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope
> > you get scurvy and can't
> > > find an orange.
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the
> > jsm type stuff
> > > >
> > > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and
> > the few years I was the
> > > > admin, there was never a time that was more
> > entertaining then that of
> > > > the jsm.
> > > >
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> > > > --
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> > > > http://blackmonolith.com
> > > >
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anyone can mix. it takes a *REAL* superstar to climb up a staircase and act
like jesus!

On 7/24/06, Zer0 Burn <mrsmuggles101@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> this is true, but PVD def knows how to mix, if you dont think he can, that
> means you just dont like trance. close minded bastards :P
>
> -- Zer0
>
>
> >From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> >To: Dean <talldean@gmail.com>, ne-raves <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >production != djing ability.
> >
> >--- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Giving another listen to PvD's "Out There and Back",
> > > I gotta say that
> > > he's definitely doing something right.  And his last
> > > set in DC was
> > > halfway to hard, dark techno.  Whereas Fatboy Slim,
> > > uh, what the fuck
> > > happened with Palookaville?  Seriously?  :-P
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative
> > > to what used to constitute
> > > > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I
> > > can throw my two cents in
> > > > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless,
> > > seeing as I just woke up
> > > > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> > > >
> > > > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease,
> > > which is appropriate since
> > > > his music is a contributing factor in the spread
> > > of them among underage,
> > > > white, suburban, big pants wearing,
> > > pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > > > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> > > >
> > > > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once
> > > he gains commercial
> > > > success, let me just toss a few names out there:
> > > Mr. Scruff (whose music has
> > > > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin
> > > (who's scored Playstation
> > > > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies
> > > and worked with Top 40 Pop
> > > > artists), and my personal favorite (considering
> > > how very few people on this
> > > > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live)
> > > Fatboy Slim.  These are
> > > > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad
> > > puns) and Oakie.  They
> > > > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level
> > > of "popularity" aren't
> > > > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact
> > > that sheer numbers of
> > > > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it
> > > good, it just reinforces what
> > > > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep
> > > and deserve to die.
> > > >
> > > > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> > > >
> > > > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless
> > > twit for being such a
> > > > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope
> > > you get scurvy and can't
> > > > find an orange.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the
> > > jsm type stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and
> > > the few years I was the
> > > > > admin, there was never a time that was more
> > > entertaining then that of
> > > > > the jsm.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > http://blackmonolith.com
> > > > >
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> > > > > expect to find it?" -Dogen
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nah, he just invented the staircase

On 7/24/06, ken@nucleus.hjsoft.com <ken@nucleus.hjsoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> I thought Tiesto was Jesus?
>
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Ed Hoc wrote:
>
> > anyone can mix. it takes a *REAL* superstar to climb up a staircase and
> act
> > like jesus!
> >
> > On 7/24/06, Zer0 Burn <mrsmuggles101@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > this is true, but PVD def knows how to mix, if you dont think he can,
> that
> > > means you just dont like trance. close minded bastards :P
> > >
> > > -- Zer0
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: Dean <talldean@gmail.com>, ne-raves <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd
> > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:36:34 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >production != djing ability.
> > > >
> > > >--- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Giving another listen to PvD's "Out There and Back",
> > > > > I gotta say that
> > > > > he's definitely doing something right.  And his last
> > > > > set in DC was
> > > > > halfway to hard, dark techno.  Whereas Fatboy Slim,
> > > > > uh, what the fuck
> > > > > happened with Palookaville?  Seriously?  :-P
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative
> > > > > to what used to constitute
> > > > > > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I
> > > > > can throw my two cents in
> > > > > > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless,
> > > > > seeing as I just woke up
> > > > > > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease,
> > > > > which is appropriate since
> > > > > > his music is a contributing factor in the spread
> > > > > of them among underage,
> > > > > > white, suburban, big pants wearing,
> > > > > pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > > > > > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once
> > > > > he gains commercial
> > > > > > success, let me just toss a few names out there:
> > > > > Mr. Scruff (whose music has
> > > > > > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin
> > > > > (who's scored Playstation
> > > > > > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies
> > > > > and worked with Top 40 Pop
> > > > > > artists), and my personal favorite (considering
> > > > > how very few people on this
> > > > > > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live)
> > > > > Fatboy Slim.  These are
> > > > > > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad
> > > > > puns) and Oakie.  They
> > > > > > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level
> > > > > of "popularity" aren't
> > > > > > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact
> > > > > that sheer numbers of
> > > > > > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it
> > > > > good, it just reinforces what
> > > > > > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep
> > > > > and deserve to die.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless
> > > > > twit for being such a
> > > > > > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope
> > > > > you get scurvy and can't
> > > > > > find an orange.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the
> > > > > jsm type stuff
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and
> > > > > the few years I was the
> > > > > > > admin, there was never a time that was more
> > > > > entertaining then that of
> > > > > > > the jsm.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Skinner
> > > > > > > http://blackmonolith.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "If you cannot find the truth right where you
> > > > > are, where else do you
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yeah i love how PVD mixes that ableton Live......................   dj's sure 
cam mix a lap top...........
 
 
they press one button & bang the next track is mixed in.  
 
oh & anyone who likes just one style of music and/ plays one style of  music 
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is this ironic, coming from someone named after the second most over-used
sample in techno?

On 7/24/06, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
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>  yeah i love how PVD mixes that ableton Live......................  dj's
> sure cam mix a lap top...........
>
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> they press one button & bang the next track is mixed in.
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> oh & anyone who likes just one style of music and/ plays one style of
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Ummmmmmmmm  i named myself after the actual drum machine & not  sample. 
 The Roland TR909  is one of the greatest things ever invented  
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oh & the 909 is used for every style of electronica not just  techno.

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right.

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Yeah, I have to agree - Palookaville was pretty sub-par.  Tho I have to
agree with Frank in that production doesn't equal dj'ing ability.

A slight aside, but not really since we're talking about newer albums by big
name people: has anyone heard the new(ish) Chemical Brothers?  They have the
crappy Budweiser song with Q-tip, and maybe 3 other songs that I actually
like, and the rest are just really vanilla.  At least imo.

On 7/24/06, Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Giving another listen to PvD's "Out There and Back", I gotta say that
> he's definitely doing something right.  And his last set in DC was
> halfway to hard, dark techno.  Whereas Fatboy Slim, uh, what the fuck
> happened with Palookaville?  Seriously?  :-P
>
> On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative to what used to
> constitute
> > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I can throw my two cents
> in
> > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless, seeing as I just woke
> up
> > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> >
> > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, which is appropriate
> since
> > his music is a contributing factor in the spread of them among underage,
> > white, suburban, big pants wearing, pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> >
> > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once he gains commercial
> > success, let me just toss a few names out there: Mr. Scruff (whose music
> has
> > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin (who's scored
> Playstation
> > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies and worked with Top 40
> Pop
> > artists), and my personal favorite (considering how very few people on
> this
> > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live) Fatboy Slim.  These
> are
> > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad puns) and Oakie.  They
> > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level of "popularity" aren't
> > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact that sheer numbers of
> > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it good, it just reinforces
> what
> > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep and deserve to die.
> >
> > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> >
> > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless twit for being such a
> > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope you get scurvy and
> can't
> > find an orange.
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > >
> > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the jsm type stuff
> > >
> > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and the few years I was the
> > > admin, there was never a time that was more entertaining then that of
> > > the jsm.
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://blackmonolith.com
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> > > expect to find it?" -Dogen
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what do you mean by right?  Are you saying that it is not used in  almost 
every form of electronic music?  & One Word Answers  suck.

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--- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:

> > but its
> > never enough. there will always be the stereotype
> > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're indecent...
> > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all freaks.
> 
> The scene is drug laced.  All underground scenes are drug laced.
> 
> For the most part, anything labelled underground will probably have
> more drugs than something labelled mainstream.  Hip hop, rave, punk,
> emo, these all have much more drug use by the crowd than rock, jazz,
> rnb, and rap.
> 

If you think the rap/rnb/rock scenes dont have as much drug use as the rest,
your just deluding yourself. If anything the rap scene has double the drug use
of the punk/emo scene with its large straightedge core fanbase. And JAZZ???
your  just straight up fucking wrong if you think theres no drug use there...
that scene was POPULARIZED by beatnik druggies for gods sake. 

Sure most of us are pretty sure rave culture has the largest drug use, but
thats because we're very open about that shit. I'd however bet dollars to
donuts that the rap scene has more drug use, mostly because its a larger scene,
that and because they tend to keep that shit on the downlow... its also a
whether you balance usage, eg. some raver poppin the occaisional e vs the rap
fan smoking 3oz of chronic a month.

just my 7 cents worth anyways (gotta pay inflation).

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one word answers are an effective means of conveying
sarcasm and/or disbelief.

IMHO.  and shit.

--- Distort909@aol.com wrote:

> what do you mean by right?  Are you saying that it
> is not used in  almost 
> every form of electronic music?  & One Word Answers 
> suck.
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the problem is that kids act like self indulgent assholes & do not  
understand that the human body & mind have limitations on what it can take.  If people 
respected their selves more we as a whole would not be looked down  upon.  But 
no the kiddies keep on insisting to digest draino & dropping  dead.  
 
maybe we should give up on the under 21 parties & start to be very  strict 
about who & what we let into our parties.

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one word answers are a waste of time when emailing to a group of people  that 
probably have better things to do.

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yay drug debates.

yay top-posting.

But serios (and top-posted)- look at the 60s rock
scene.  Look at Jazz in the 50s and 60s.  I agree with
Mr. Cary here, with one addition, many of these large
drug use bases were not nearly as hidden at some point
in the evolution of that music.  I think the EDM scene
has cleaned itself up quite a bit of late..


but, like another certain NER admin, i really dont
have my finger on the pulse anymore, as im too busy
fingering other peoples pulses to jam sharp objects
into said pulses these days to know.

That, and most of what i bother to listen to is either
a) house
b) eclectic solidsteel/ninjatune ish
c) older

dont really know what else is going on in the scene
these days (except for that hospital-records sound of
dnb which i *heart*)

oh and that trance still sucks.

frank

--- Jonathan Cary <alkivar@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> --- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > but its
> > > never enough. there will always be the
> stereotype
> > > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're
> indecent...
> > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all
> freaks.
> > 
> > The scene is drug laced.  All underground scenes
> are drug laced.
> > 
> > For the most part, anything labelled underground
> will probably have
> > more drugs than something labelled mainstream. 
> Hip hop, rave, punk,
> > emo, these all have much more drug use by the
> crowd than rock, jazz,
> > rnb, and rap.
> > 
> 
> If you think the rap/rnb/rock scenes dont have as
> much drug use as the rest,
> your just deluding yourself. If anything the rap
> scene has double the drug use
> of the punk/emo scene with its large straightedge
> core fanbase. And JAZZ???
> your  just straight up fucking wrong if you think
> theres no drug use there...
> that scene was POPULARIZED by beatnik druggies for
> gods sake. 
> 
> Sure most of us are pretty sure rave culture has the
> largest drug use, but
> thats because we're very open about that shit. I'd
> however bet dollars to
> donuts that the rap scene has more drug use, mostly
> because its a larger scene,
> that and because they tend to keep that shit on the
> downlow... its also a
> whether you balance usage, eg. some raver poppin the
> occaisional e vs the rap
> fan smoking 3oz of chronic a month.
> 
> just my 7 cents worth anyways (gotta pay inflation).
> 
> Blinding ignorance does mislead us.
> O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!
>                  -Leonardo Da Vinci
> 
> DJ Alkivar,  Lewiston, ME 
> [ 100 Proof / Floorburnerz / NE Hardcore ]
> http://www.alkivar.com
> 
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shyeah.

On 7/24/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> one word answers are an effective means of conveying
> sarcasm and/or disbelief.
>
> IMHO.  and shit.
>
> --- Distort909@aol.com wrote:
>
> > what do you mean by right?  Are you saying that it
> > is not used in  almost
> > every form of electronic music?  & One Word Answers
> > suck.
> >
>
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werd.

On 7/24/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> yay drug debates.
>
> yay top-posting.
>
> But serios (and top-posted)- look at the 60s rock
> scene.  Look at Jazz in the 50s and 60s.  I agree with
> Mr. Cary here, with one addition, many of these large
> drug use bases were not nearly as hidden at some point
> in the evolution of that music.  I think the EDM scene
> has cleaned itself up quite a bit of late..
>
>
> but, like another certain NER admin, i really dont
> have my finger on the pulse anymore, as im too busy
> fingering other peoples pulses to jam sharp objects
> into said pulses these days to know.
>
> That, and most of what i bother to listen to is either
> a) house
> b) eclectic solidsteel/ninjatune ish
> c) older
>
> dont really know what else is going on in the scene
> these days (except for that hospital-records sound of
> dnb which i *heart*)
>
> oh and that trance still sucks.
>
> frank
>
> --- Jonathan Cary <alkivar@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > but its
> > > > never enough. there will always be the
> > stereotype
> > > > attatched to raves and ravers. that we're
> > indecent...
> > > > that the scene is drug-laced and we're all
> > freaks.
> > >
> > > The scene is drug laced.  All underground scenes
> > are drug laced.
> > >
> > > For the most part, anything labelled underground
> > will probably have
> > > more drugs than something labelled mainstream.
> > Hip hop, rave, punk,
> > > emo, these all have much more drug use by the
> > crowd than rock, jazz,
> > > rnb, and rap.
> > >
> >
> > If you think the rap/rnb/rock scenes dont have as
> > much drug use as the rest,
> > your just deluding yourself. If anything the rap
> > scene has double the drug use
> > of the punk/emo scene with its large straightedge
> > core fanbase. And JAZZ???
> > your  just straight up fucking wrong if you think
> > theres no drug use there...
> > that scene was POPULARIZED by beatnik druggies for
> > gods sake.
> >
> > Sure most of us are pretty sure rave culture has the
> > largest drug use, but
> > thats because we're very open about that shit. I'd
> > however bet dollars to
> > donuts that the rap scene has more drug use, mostly
> > because its a larger scene,
> > that and because they tend to keep that shit on the
> > downlow... its also a
> > whether you balance usage, eg. some raver poppin the
> > occaisional e vs the rap
> > fan smoking 3oz of chronic a month.
> >
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werd.

On 7/24/06, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

Do you mean in regard to PvD, or Fatboy Slim?

I saw PvD about six months ago.  The set was fucking outstanding.  And
that's coming from someone who was wearing this to the show:

http://www.destroyalltrance.com/

On 7/24/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
> production != djing ability.
>
> --- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Giving another listen to PvD's "Out There and Back",
> > I gotta say that
> > he's definitely doing something right.  And his last
> > set in DC was
> > halfway to hard, dark techno.  Whereas Fatboy Slim,
> > uh, what the fuck
> > happened with Palookaville?  Seriously?  :-P
> >
> > On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative
> > to what used to constitute
> > > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I
> > can throw my two cents in
> > > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless,
> > seeing as I just woke up
> > > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> > >
> > > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease,
> > which is appropriate since
> > > his music is a contributing factor in the spread
> > of them among underage,
> > > white, suburban, big pants wearing,
> > pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> > >
> > > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once
> > he gains commercial
> > > success, let me just toss a few names out there:
> > Mr. Scruff (whose music has
> > > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin
> > (who's scored Playstation
> > > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies
> > and worked with Top 40 Pop
> > > artists), and my personal favorite (considering
> > how very few people on this
> > > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live)
> > Fatboy Slim.  These are
> > > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad
> > puns) and Oakie.  They
> > > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level
> > of "popularity" aren't
> > > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact
> > that sheer numbers of
> > > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it
> > good, it just reinforces what
> > > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep
> > and deserve to die.
> > >
> > > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> > >
> > > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless
> > twit for being such a
> > > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope
> > you get scurvy and can't
> > > find an orange.
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] pvd

You missed where I said 'large chunks of his last set here in DC were techno'.

With a 909 type of sound to it, if you want true irony.

-D

On 7/24/06, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
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>
> yeah i love how PVD mixes that ableton Live......................  dj's sure
> cam mix a lap top...........
>
>
> they press one button & bang the next track is mixed in.
>
> oh & anyone who likes just one style of music and/ plays one style of music
> is way lame...............

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haha that shirt is awesome!

On 7/24/06, Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do you mean in regard to PvD, or Fatboy Slim?
>
> I saw PvD about six months ago.  The set was fucking outstanding.  And
> that's coming from someone who was wearing this to the show:
>
> http://www.destroyalltrance.com/
>
> On 7/24/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > production != djing ability.
> >
> > --- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Giving another listen to PvD's "Out There and Back",
> > > I gotta say that
> > > he's definitely doing something right.  And his last
> > > set in DC was
> > > halfway to hard, dark techno.  Whereas Fatboy Slim,
> > > uh, what the fuck
> > > happened with Palookaville?  Seriously?  :-P
> > >
> > > On 7/22/06, Josh Weber <weberlajes@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Dammit, I missed all the fun.  Fun being relative
> > > to what used to constitute
> > > > an amusing time here years ago.  Let's see if I
> > > can throw my two cents in
> > > > the ring (this is gonna be absolutely worthless,
> > > seeing as I just woke up
> > > > and am running around to get up to PS1 today):
> > > >
> > > > PVD sounds like a sexually transmitted disease,
> > > which is appropriate since
> > > > his music is a contributing factor in the spread
> > > of them among underage,
> > > > white, suburban, big pants wearing,
> > > pacifier-sucking, glitter-wearing,
> > > > "PLUR" freaks.  You all suck.  Die.
> > > >
> > > > And as far as a DJ suddenly becoming teh suck once
> > > he gains commercial
> > > > success, let me just toss a few names out there:
> > > Mr. Scruff (whose music has
> > > > been used in countless commercials), Amon Tobin
> > > (who's scored Playstation
> > > > and Xbox games), DJ Shadow (who's scored movies
> > > and worked with Top 40 Pop
> > > > artists), and my personal favorite (considering
> > > how very few people on this
> > > > list have ever actually heard him spin a set live)
> > > Fatboy Slim.  These are
> > > > quite different examples from GonorrheVD (yea bad
> > > puns) and Oakie.  They
> > > > were, are, and always will be, huge DJs who level
> > > of "popularity" aren't
> > > > what makes them suck - it's their music.  The fact
> > > that sheer numbers of
> > > > retards listen to their drivel doesn't make it
> > > good, it just reinforces what
> > > > we all know about people - they are stupid sheep
> > > and deserve to die.
> > > >
> > > > And on the fourth paragraph Josh rested.  Amen.
> > > >
> > > > OH, wait, one more thing.  Fuck you, you worthless
> > > twit for being such a
> > > > stuck up pansy that you can't take a joke.  I hope
> > > you get scurvy and can't
> > > > find an orange.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/22/06, Skinner <skinner@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Frank Scott wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ->sheeeeeeeesh.  nowhere near the caliber of the
> > > jsm type stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > of the 13 years I have been on this list, and
> > > the few years I was the
> > > > > admin, there was never a time that was more
> > > entertaining then that of
> > > > > the jsm.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > http://blackmonolith.com
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> > > > > expect to find it?" -Dogen
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] Washington, DC and environs, the monday rant

On 7/24/06, Jonathan Cary <alkivar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
> > For the most part, anything labelled underground will probably have
> > more drugs than something labelled mainstream.  Hip hop, rave, punk,
> > emo, these all have much more drug use by the crowd than rock, jazz,
> > rnb, and rap.
>
> If you think the rap/rnb/rock scenes dont have as much drug use as the rest,
> your just deluding yourself. If anything the rap scene has double the drug use
> of the punk/emo scene with its large straightedge core fanbase. And JAZZ???
> your  just straight up fucking wrong if you think theres no drug use there...
> that scene was POPULARIZED by beatnik druggies for gods sake.

The rap crowd smokes a lot of weed.  They still smoke less weed than
the jam band scene, which is also underground.

Jazz, today.  It's no longer underground in any way.  It's no longer
defined by heroin addiction, either.

And you really think punk/emo is straightedge?  The straightedge
hardcore scene fed a bit of that, but for the most part, punks do as
many drugs as they can find, and a ton of emo kids do cocaine as soon
as they're old enough to find it.


> Sure most of us are pretty sure rave culture has the largest drug use, but
> thats because we're very open about that shit. I'd however bet dollars to
> donuts that the rap scene has more drug use, mostly because its a larger scene,
> that and because they tend to keep that shit on the downlow...

They keep what quiet?  The stars make money by popularizing how fucked
up they get, and how badass they look.  How is that quiet?  Seriously,
though, they drink a lot, smoke a lotta weed, and occasionally find
some coke or pills.  The drugs are there, but not nearly with the
prevalence.

> its also a whether you balance usage, eg. some raver poppin the occaisional e vs the rap
> fan smoking 3oz of chronic a month.

Yup.  I see *tons* of kids these days blazing through a grand of good
weed a month.  It's all over the place, man.

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> But serios (and top-posted)- look at the 60s rock
> scene.  Look at Jazz in the 50s and 60s.  I agree with
> Mr. Cary here, with one addition, many of these large
> drug use bases were not nearly as hidden at some point
> in the evolution of that music.  I think the EDM scene
> has cleaned itself up quite a bit of late..

When those genres (rock and jazz) finally broke into the mainstream,
their drug use was at it's highest.  Once they were mainstream... the
drugs kinda fall away.

Sound familiar?

> That, and most of what i bother to listen to is either
> a) house
> b) eclectic solidsteel/ninjatune ish
> c) older
>
> dont really know what else is going on in the scene
> these days (except for that hospital-records sound of
> dnb which i *heart*)

Rotating guns again, I'd recommend listening to:
a) a guy named Suneel from DC.
b) a guy named Tipper from Seattle.
c) old mixtapes.

> oh and that trance still sucks.

That, I can't argue.

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i would hope pvd as a musician would expand into other realms of edm. But  
still not my cup o tea at least in the states.....................  im  getting 
older i cant listen to that stuff that fast anymore....... my one big  gripe 
with him is that he keeps the BPM at the same pace his whole set. It  doesn't 
change..................   

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Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing

I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
displeasure with the state of the list.

Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club where
EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed and
insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal just
for trying to sell some PVD tickets?

I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother inserting your
snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say something
constuctive)

So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's opinion is
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> Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?!
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oh cry me a river -- life is tough, and if you make shitty and unsupported
statements anywhere you'll get jumped on. just because lots of techno music
has the word 'smile' or 'unicorn' in the title dosen't make this list some
enforced happy fun zone, fascist.

you just have to get used to the idea that it's impossible to hide from the
majority, and the majority of people are morons. man up!

On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
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>
> So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's opinion
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
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> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
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> >
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> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
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> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
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> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > Sean
> > >
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Since when does cracking a joke = bullying. 

I totally plead guilty to attacking the SH1t out of
people 7-8 yrs ago.  And now, 1 post about PVD tickets
and I'm a bully?  After years of silence.

If it was solely based on rep from back then, well i
guess I would be kinda flattered that I was able to
make that negative an impact.  But to be honest, I
don't think any of you give two fscks about what
skinner, phllystyl, proby, weberlajes, keny,
kckflpgrl, or lowkey posted; or the attempts of Keith
to keep it under tabs.  

If you are unsubbing because of traffic, well wrong
list.  I hate to decrease the size of a list by
actually posting but im not going to not post for the
sake of not posting.  If you think im being mean or
somesuch, I thoroughly disagree, I'm just trying to
bring a touch of levity to things.

Cant we all just CHILL.

PLUR,
frank


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> are voicing their
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> 
> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is
> it a private club where
> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the
> list get "FU"ed and
> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to
> shreds some poor gal just
> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> 
> I left that crap behind in Junior High School!
> (Don't bother inserting your
> snide comment here as it will just prove your
> inability to say something
> constuctive)
> 
> So which is it? A private club or an open forum
> where everyone's opinion is
> respected?
> If this list is more of a private club then you can
> take this very email as
> my
> 
> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> and I encourage others who feel the same way to
> UNSUB as well.
> 
> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the
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> better venue.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> 
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
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> > Let me know if that's the case.
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> >
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> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I
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> > > Thank you!
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> > > Sean
> > >
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obviously (frank scott) has no idea what he is talking about (commenting
about paul van dyke) but again....any interactivity is good and a major
improvement from the state this list was in before

:-)

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> Since when does cracking a joke = bullying.
>
> I totally plead guilty to attacking the SH1t out of
> people 7-8 yrs ago.  And now, 1 post about PVD tickets
> and I'm a bully?  After years of silence.
>
> If it was solely based on rep from back then, well i
> guess I would be kinda flattered that I was able to
> make that negative an impact.  But to be honest, I
> don't think any of you give two fscks about what
> skinner, phllystyl, proby, weberlajes, keny,
> kckflpgrl, or lowkey posted; or the attempts of Keith
> to keep it under tabs.
>
> If you are unsubbing because of traffic, well wrong
> list.  I hate to decrease the size of a list by
> actually posting but im not going to not post for the
> sake of not posting.  If you think im being mean or
> somesuch, I thoroughly disagree, I'm just trying to
> bring a touch of levity to things.
>
> Cant we all just CHILL.
>
> PLUR,
> frank
>
>
> --- Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
>
> > I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they
> > are voicing their
> > displeasure with the state of the list.
> >
> > Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is
> > it a private club where
> > EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the
> > list get "FU"ed and
> > insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to
> > shreds some poor gal just
> > for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> >
> > I left that crap behind in Junior High School!
> > (Don't bother inserting your
> > snide comment here as it will just prove your
> > inability to say something
> > constuctive)
> >
> > So which is it? A private club or an open forum
> > where everyone's opinion is
> > respected?
> > If this list is more of a private club then you can
> > take this very email as
> > my
> >
> > VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > and I encourage others who feel the same way to
> > UNSUB as well.
> >
> > We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the
> > sandbox and we'll find a
> > better venue.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> >
> >
> > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take
> > them off the list?!
> > There are
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> > >
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> > > It's that easy.
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> > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please
> > people try to do it yourself
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> > > Jasper
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> > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I
> > get replies from
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> >
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BOTH. it's an OPEN FORUM where people can SAY WHAT THEY WANT, up to, and
possibly including, CALLING YOU A DOUCHE.

WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for proving my point...
>
> I get called fascist,"pretentious failed-miscarriage"  and pretty much
> every
> other foul word here...  just for voicing my opinion.
> I have no problem with the traffic whatsoever...if you think it's the
> volume
> that's bothering folks then you are really missing the point... it's the
> content.
>
> It's also the supression of free speech that bothers me.. (everyone who
> disagrees gets a verbal beatdown)
>
> Do you guys honestly feel that kind of stuff makes people feel welcome and
> want to post and be a part of it all?
> I'm not shying away from debate...
>
> SO WHICH IS IT? PRIVATE CLUB or OPEN FORUM?
>
> T
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>
> To: "Thomas Noe" <admin@internationalswede.com>
> Cc: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>; "Northeast Raves"
> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
>
>
> > oh cry me a river -- life is tough, and if you make shitty and
> unsupported
> > statements anywhere you'll get jumped on. just because lots of techno
> music
> > has the word 'smile' or 'unicorn' in the title dosen't make this list
> some
> > enforced happy fun zone, fascist.
> >
> > you just have to get used to the idea that it's impossible to hide from
> the
> > majority, and the majority of people are morons. man up!
> >
> > On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
> opinion
> > > is
> > > respected?
> > > If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
> email
> > > as
> > > my
> > >
> > > VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > > and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> > >
> > > We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
> find
> a
> > > better venue.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > > To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > >
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the
> list?!
> > > There are
> > > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> > > >
> > > > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that
> it's
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> > > > field send a blank email to:
> > > > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > > > It's that easy.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> > > yourself
> > > first.
> > > > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> > > apologize.
> > > > Let me know if that's the case.
> > > >
> > > > Jasper
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
> > > messageboards to my email all day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> > >
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And really, ragging on each other's tastes is just what music lover's do - 
we chide each other and genres and stereotypes and it's a friendly thing - 
like a your momma joke....as long as it doesn't go too far..

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, technogirl (doojee.com) wrote:

> obviously (frank scott) has no idea what he is talking about (commenting
> about paul van dyke) but again....any interactivity is good and a major
> improvement from the state this list was in before
>
> :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
>
>
>> Since when does cracking a joke = bullying.
>>
>> I totally plead guilty to attacking the SH1t out of
>> people 7-8 yrs ago.  And now, 1 post about PVD tickets
>> and I'm a bully?  After years of silence.
>>
>> If it was solely based on rep from back then, well i
>> guess I would be kinda flattered that I was able to
>> make that negative an impact.  But to be honest, I
>> don't think any of you give two fscks about what
>> skinner, phllystyl, proby, weberlajes, keny,
>> kckflpgrl, or lowkey posted; or the attempts of Keith
>> to keep it under tabs.
>>
>> If you are unsubbing because of traffic, well wrong
>> list.  I hate to decrease the size of a list by
>> actually posting but im not going to not post for the
>> sake of not posting.  If you think im being mean or
>> somesuch, I thoroughly disagree, I'm just trying to
>> bring a touch of levity to things.
>>
>> Cant we all just CHILL.
>>
>> PLUR,
>> frank
>>
>>
>> --- Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they
>>> are voicing their
>>> displeasure with the state of the list.
>>>
>>> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is
>>> it a private club where
>>> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the
>>> list get "FU"ed and
>>> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to
>>> shreds some poor gal just
>>> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
>>>
>>> I left that crap behind in Junior High School!
>>> (Don't bother inserting your
>>> snide comment here as it will just prove your
>>> inability to say something
>>> constuctive)
>>>
>>> So which is it? A private club or an open forum
>>> where everyone's opinion is
>>> respected?
>>> If this list is more of a private club then you can
>>> take this very email as
>>> my
>>>
>>> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
>>> and I encourage others who feel the same way to
>>> UNSUB as well.
>>>
>>> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the
>>> sandbox and we'll find a
>>> better venue.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
>>> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
>>> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take
>>> them off the list?!
>>> There are
>>>> unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
>>>>
>>>> Look at the header of the emails you get from this
>>> list to see that it's
>>> not
>>>> forwarded from some other address of yours. Then
>>> from the address in the
>>> To:
>>>> field send a blank email to:
>>>> ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
>>>> It's that easy.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please
>>> people try to do it yourself
>>> first.
>>>> If there is something totally broken with the
>>> unsub funcition I apologize.
>>>> Let me know if that's the case.
>>>>
>>>> Jasper
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can you please remove my email from the list?  I
>>> get replies from
>>> messageboards to my email all day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>>
>>>
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Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events you 
didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box filled up with 
what is essentially three people spouting off at each other is bordering on 
spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD tickets? That should have been 
the end of it...tickets...for...sale. The subsequent 50 emails just prove 
why discussion lists don't work any more. Forums at least allow people to 
have conversations without filling up my inbox......and in turn this is 
going to do more damage as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to 
find out about that 1 event which I might go to.

Cheers.


>From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
>Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
>To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>, Northeast Raves <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
>
>I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
>displeasure with the state of the list.
>
>Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club where
>EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed and
>insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal just
>for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
>
>I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother inserting your
>snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say something
>constuctive)
>
>So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's opinion is
>respected?
>If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very email as
>my
>
>VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
>and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
>
>We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll find a
>better venue.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
>To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>
>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
>Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
>
>
> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?!
>There are
> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> >
> > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that it's
>not
> > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address in the
>To:
> > field send a blank email to:
> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > It's that easy.
> >
> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it 
>yourself
>first.
> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I 
>apologize.
> > Let me know if that's the case.
> >
> > Jasper
> >
> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
>messageboards to my email all day.
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > Sean
> > > 
>________________________________________________________________________
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SHUT THE FUCK UP! nobody cares about any of this.... Stop filling up my fucking box with nonsense and making me get excited about actually getting important emails... lo an behond, I open up my box and see a bunch of crap about nothing.
   
  Thanks a lot, god forbid anyone would ever post anything worth reading on this list

Melzie <melzie@hyperreal.org> wrote:
  
And really, ragging on each other's tastes is just what music lover's do - 
we chide each other and genres and stereotypes and it's a friendly thing - 
like a your momma joke....as long as it doesn't go too far..

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, technogirl (doojee.com) wrote:

> obviously (frank scott) has no idea what he is talking about (commenting
> about paul van dyke) but again....any interactivity is good and a major
> improvement from the state this list was in before
>
> :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Scott" 
> To: "Northeast Raves" 
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
>
>
>> Since when does cracking a joke = bullying.
>>
>> I totally plead guilty to attacking the SH1t out of
>> people 7-8 yrs ago. And now, 1 post about PVD tickets
>> and I'm a bully? After years of silence.
>>
>> If it was solely based on rep from back then, well i
>> guess I would be kinda flattered that I was able to
>> make that negative an impact. But to be honest, I
>> don't think any of you give two fscks about what
>> skinner, phllystyl, proby, weberlajes, keny,
>> kckflpgrl, or lowkey posted; or the attempts of Keith
>> to keep it under tabs.
>>
>> If you are unsubbing because of traffic, well wrong
>> list. I hate to decrease the size of a list by
>> actually posting but im not going to not post for the
>> sake of not posting. If you think im being mean or
>> somesuch, I thoroughly disagree, I'm just trying to
>> bring a touch of levity to things.
>>
>> Cant we all just CHILL.
>>
>> PLUR,
>> frank
>>
>>
>> --- Thomas Noe wrote:
>>
>>> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they
>>> are voicing their
>>> displeasure with the state of the list.
>>>
>>> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is
>>> it a private club where
>>> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the
>>> list get "FU"ed and
>>> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to
>>> shreds some poor gal just
>>> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
>>>
>>> I left that crap behind in Junior High School!
>>> (Don't bother inserting your
>>> snide comment here as it will just prove your
>>> inability to say something
>>> constuctive)
>>>
>>> So which is it? A private club or an open forum
>>> where everyone's opinion is
>>> respected?
>>> If this list is more of a private club then you can
>>> take this very email as
>>> my
>>>
>>> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
>>> and I encourage others who feel the same way to
>>> UNSUB as well.
>>>
>>> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the
>>> sandbox and we'll find a
>>> better venue.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jasper" 
>>> To: "Northeast Raves" 
>>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
>>> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take
>>> them off the list?!
>>> There are
>>>> unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
>>>>
>>>> Look at the header of the emails you get from this
>>> list to see that it's
>>> not
>>>> forwarded from some other address of yours. Then
>>> from the address in the
>>> To:
>>>> field send a blank email to:
>>>> ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
>>>> It's that easy.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please
>>> people try to do it yourself
>>> first.
>>>> If there is something totally broken with the
>>> unsub funcition I apologize.
>>>> Let me know if that's the case.
>>>>
>>>> Jasper
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can you please remove my email from the list? I
>>> get replies from
>>> messageboards to my email all day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>>
>>>
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OMGWTFI SO KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT U R SO MEAN!!!

WHERE IS THE PLUR!@!>>@?#@(#*#$


8)
fs
--- "technogirl (doojee.com)" <technogirl@doojee.com>
wrote:

> obviously (frank scott) has no idea what he is
> talking about (commenting
> about paul van dyke) but again....any interactivity
> is good and a major
> improvement from the state this list was in before
> 
> :-)
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Scott" <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> 
> 
> > Since when does cracking a joke = bullying.
> >
> > I totally plead guilty to attacking the SH1t out
> of
> > people 7-8 yrs ago.  And now, 1 post about PVD
> tickets
> > and I'm a bully?  After years of silence.
> >
> > If it was solely based on rep from back then, well
> i
> > guess I would be kinda flattered that I was able
> to
> > make that negative an impact.  But to be honest, I
> > don't think any of you give two fscks about what
> > skinner, phllystyl, proby, weberlajes, keny,
> > kckflpgrl, or lowkey posted; or the attempts of
> Keith
> > to keep it under tabs.
> >
> > If you are unsubbing because of traffic, well
> wrong
> > list.  I hate to decrease the size of a list by
> > actually posting but im not going to not post for
> the
> > sake of not posting.  If you think im being mean
> or
> > somesuch, I thoroughly disagree, I'm just trying
> to
> > bring a touch of levity to things.
> >
> > Cant we all just CHILL.
> >
> > PLUR,
> > frank
> >
> >
> > --- Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I think people are UNSUBing publicly because
> they
> > > are voicing their
> > > displeasure with the state of the list.
> > >
> > > Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or
> is
> > > it a private club where
> > > EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on
> the
> > > list get "FU"ed and
> > > insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to
> > > shreds some poor gal just
> > > for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> > >
> > > I left that crap behind in Junior High School!
> > > (Don't bother inserting your
> > > snide comment here as it will just prove your
> > > inability to say something
> > > constuctive)
> > >
> > > So which is it? A private club or an open forum
> > > where everyone's opinion is
> > > respected?
> > > If this list is more of a private club then you
> can
> > > take this very email as
> > > my
> > >
> > > VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > > and I encourage others who feel the same way to
> > > UNSUB as well.
> > >
> > > We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the
> > > sandbox and we'll find a
> > > better venue.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > > To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > >
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to
> take
> > > them off the list?!
> > > There are
> > > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY
> message!
> > > >
> > > > Look at the header of the emails you get from
> this
> > > list to see that it's
> > > not
> > > > forwarded from some other address of yours.
> Then
> > > from the address in the
> > > To:
> > > > field send a blank email to:
> > > > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > > > It's that easy.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please
> > > people try to do it yourself
> > > first.
> > > > If there is something totally broken with the
> > > unsub funcition I apologize.
> > > > Let me know if that's the case.
> > > >
> > > > Jasper
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can you please remove my email from the
> list?  I
> > > get replies from
> > > messageboards to my email all day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing

i initially read your last name as "shat-erman"

LOLZ

--- Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> SHUT THE FUCK UP! nobody cares about any of this....
> Stop filling up my fucking box with nonsense and
> making me get excited about actually getting
> important emails... lo an behond, I open up my box
> and see a bunch of crap about nothing.
>    
>   Thanks a lot, god forbid anyone would ever post
> anything worth reading on this list
> 
> Melzie <melzie@hyperreal.org> wrote:
>   
> And really, ragging on each other's tastes is just
> what music lover's do - 
> we chide each other and genres and stereotypes and
> it's a friendly thing - 
> like a your momma joke....as long as it doesn't go
> too far..
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, technogirl (doojee.com) wrote:
> 
> > obviously (frank scott) has no idea what he is
> talking about (commenting
> > about paul van dyke) but again....any
> interactivity is good and a major
> > improvement from the state this list was in before
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Scott" 
> > To: "Northeast Raves" 
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are
> unsubscribing
> >
> >
> >> Since when does cracking a joke = bullying.
> >>
> >> I totally plead guilty to attacking the SH1t out
> of
> >> people 7-8 yrs ago. And now, 1 post about PVD
> tickets
> >> and I'm a bully? After years of silence.
> >>
> >> If it was solely based on rep from back then,
> well i
> >> guess I would be kinda flattered that I was able
> to
> >> make that negative an impact. But to be honest, I
> >> don't think any of you give two fscks about what
> >> skinner, phllystyl, proby, weberlajes, keny,
> >> kckflpgrl, or lowkey posted; or the attempts of
> Keith
> >> to keep it under tabs.
> >>
> >> If you are unsubbing because of traffic, well
> wrong
> >> list. I hate to decrease the size of a list by
> >> actually posting but im not going to not post for
> the
> >> sake of not posting. If you think im being mean
> or
> >> somesuch, I thoroughly disagree, I'm just trying
> to
> >> bring a touch of levity to things.
> >>
> >> Cant we all just CHILL.
> >>
> >> PLUR,
> >> frank
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Thomas Noe wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because
> they
> >>> are voicing their
> >>> displeasure with the state of the list.
> >>>
> >>> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or
> is
> >>> it a private club where
> >>> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on
> the
> >>> list get "FU"ed and
> >>> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to
> >>> shreds some poor gal just
> >>> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> >>>
> >>> I left that crap behind in Junior High School!
> >>> (Don't bother inserting your
> >>> snide comment here as it will just prove your
> >>> inability to say something
> >>> constuctive)
> >>>
> >>> So which is it? A private club or an open forum
> >>> where everyone's opinion is
> >>> respected?
> >>> If this list is more of a private club then you
> can
> >>> take this very email as
> >>> my
> >>>
> >>> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> >>> and I encourage others who feel the same way to
> >>> UNSUB as well.
> >>>
> >>> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the
> >>> sandbox and we'll find a
> >>> better venue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Jasper" 
> >>> To: "Northeast Raves" 
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> >>> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to
> take
> >>> them off the list?!
> >>> There are
> >>>> unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY
> message!
> >>>>
> >>>> Look at the header of the emails you get from
> this
> >>> list to see that it's
> >>> not
> >>>> forwarded from some other address of yours.
> Then
> >>> from the address in the
> >>> To:
> >>>> field send a blank email to:
> >>>> ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> >>>> It's that easy.
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please
> >>> people try to do it yourself
> >>> first.
> >>>> If there is something totally broken with the
> >>> unsub funcition I apologize.
> >>>> Let me know if that's the case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jasper
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Can you please remove my email from the list?
> I
> >>> get replies from
> >>> messageboards to my email all day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sean
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
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He hates freedom of speech because he is a treehugging hippy who supports
the terrorists.  And Thomas, seeing as the PVD thing really was a joke that
pretty much everyone got and was amused by except for you, well, I guess
that speaks volumes about the thickness of your skin (or, perhaps, your
level of pretentiousness).

This list is, was, and always will be a place for every kind of person who
enjoys EDM and it's associated events to come together.  And just like real
life some of us are assholes.  And, again, much like real life, if you don't
agree with the assholes then you should ignore them or take it upon yourself
to debate them.  It's fun.  Get down off of your horse, take the stick out
of your ass and try it.  Or stay up there with your stick if that's what
makes you happy.  I'm not going to judge you.  Wait, yes I am, you pervert.
Horses, dude, horses.

What is this list coming too when we allow people to talk about their
penchant for beastiality?  Shame on you, Thomas Noe, SHAME ON YOU!

On 7/24/06, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> BOTH. it's an OPEN FORUM where people can SAY WHAT THEY WANT, up to, and
> possibly including, CALLING YOU A DOUCHE.
>
> WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
>
> On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for proving my point...
> >
> > I get called fascist,"pretentious failed-miscarriage"  and pretty much
> > every
> > other foul word here...  just for voicing my opinion.
> > I have no problem with the traffic whatsoever...if you think it's the
> > volume
> > that's bothering folks then you are really missing the point... it's the
> > content.
> >
> > It's also the supression of free speech that bothers me.. (everyone who
> > disagrees gets a verbal beatdown)
> >
> > Do you guys honestly feel that kind of stuff makes people feel welcome
> and
> > want to post and be a part of it all?
> > I'm not shying away from debate...
> >
> > SO WHICH IS IT? PRIVATE CLUB or OPEN FORUM?
> >
> > T
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>
> > To: "Thomas Noe" <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > Cc: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>; "Northeast Raves"
> > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> >
> >
> > > oh cry me a river -- life is tough, and if you make shitty and
> > unsupported
> > > statements anywhere you'll get jumped on. just because lots of techno
> > music
> > > has the word 'smile' or 'unicorn' in the title dosen't make this list
> > some
> > > enforced happy fun zone, fascist.
> > >
> > > you just have to get used to the idea that it's impossible to hide
> from
> > the
> > > majority, and the majority of people are morons. man up!
> > >
> > > On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
> > opinion
> > > > is
> > > > respected?
> > > > If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
> > email
> > > > as
> > > > my
> > > >
> > > > VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > > > and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> > > >
> > > > We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
> > find
> > a
> > > > better venue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > > > To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > > Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the
> > list?!
> > > > There are
> > > > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> > > > >
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> > > > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
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> > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
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Wow. This list whines more than DCraves. That's pretty bad :P.

On 7/24/06, Alex Shtaerman <ashtaerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> SHUT THE FUCK UP! nobody cares about any of this.... Stop filling up my
> fucking box with nonsense and making me get excited about actually getting
> important emails... lo an behond, I open up my box and see a bunch of crap
> about nothing.
>
>   Thanks a lot, god forbid anyone would ever post anything worth reading
> on this list
>
> Melzie <melzie@hyperreal.org> wrote:
>
> And really, ragging on each other's tastes is just what music lover's do -
> we chide each other and genres and stereotypes and it's a friendly thing -
> like a your momma joke....as long as it doesn't go too far..
>
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, technogirl (doojee.com) wrote:
>
> > obviously (frank scott) has no idea what he is talking about (commenting
> > about paul van dyke) but again....any interactivity is good and a major
> > improvement from the state this list was in before
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Scott"
> > To: "Northeast Raves"
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> >
> >
> >> Since when does cracking a joke = bullying.
> >>
> >> I totally plead guilty to attacking the SH1t out of
> >> people 7-8 yrs ago. And now, 1 post about PVD tickets
> >> and I'm a bully? After years of silence.
> >>
> >> If it was solely based on rep from back then, well i
> >> guess I would be kinda flattered that I was able to
> >> make that negative an impact. But to be honest, I
> >> don't think any of you give two fscks about what
> >> skinner, phllystyl, proby, weberlajes, keny,
> >> kckflpgrl, or lowkey posted; or the attempts of Keith
> >> to keep it under tabs.
> >>
> >> If you are unsubbing because of traffic, well wrong
> >> list. I hate to decrease the size of a list by
> >> actually posting but im not going to not post for the
> >> sake of not posting. If you think im being mean or
> >> somesuch, I thoroughly disagree, I'm just trying to
> >> bring a touch of levity to things.
> >>
> >> Cant we all just CHILL.
> >>
> >> PLUR,
> >> frank
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Thomas Noe wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they
> >>> are voicing their
> >>> displeasure with the state of the list.
> >>>
> >>> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is
> >>> it a private club where
> >>> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the
> >>> list get "FU"ed and
> >>> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to
> >>> shreds some poor gal just
> >>> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> >>>
> >>> I left that crap behind in Junior High School!
> >>> (Don't bother inserting your
> >>> snide comment here as it will just prove your
> >>> inability to say something
> >>> constuctive)
> >>>
> >>> So which is it? A private club or an open forum
> >>> where everyone's opinion is
> >>> respected?
> >>> If this list is more of a private club then you can
> >>> take this very email as
> >>> my
> >>>
> >>> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> >>> and I encourage others who feel the same way to
> >>> UNSUB as well.
> >>>
> >>> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the
> >>> sandbox and we'll find a
> >>> better venue.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Jasper"
> >>> To: "Northeast Raves"
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> >>> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> them off the list?!
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See, this is where things got all mixed up - the initial joke to the girl
selling her PVD tix was, and I quote "shouldnt you be giving me $40 for
having to attend PVD?"

I don't think that was that bad, do you?  Yet Mr. Noe decided that he would
take on the plight of the oppressed, pulling a Jesse Jackson, if you will
(and much like Mr. Rainbow Coallition he quotes MLK), and came to her
defense.  It really was just a "elbow jab" kind of joke.

Anyway, yeah, he's a douche, a fascist, and a pretentious failed
miscarriage.

I'll leave you all now with a tribute to proby: "vomit.  paece"


On 7/24/06, Ian Kemp < imkemp@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events you
> didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box filled up
> with
> what is essentially three people spouting off at each other is bordering
> on
> spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD tickets? That should have been
> the end of it...tickets...for...sale. The subsequent 50 emails just prove
> why discussion lists don't work any more. Forums at least allow people to
> have conversations without filling up my inbox......and in turn this is
> going to do more damage as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to
> find out about that 1 event which I might go to.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> >From: Thomas Noe < admin@internationalswede.com>
> >Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org >, Northeast Raves <
> ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> >
> >I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
> >displeasure with the state of the list.
> >
> >Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club
> where
> >EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed and
> >insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal just
> >for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> >
> >I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother inserting
> your
> >snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say something
> >constuctive)
> >
> >So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's opinion
> is
> >respected?
> >If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very email
> as
> >my
> >
> >VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> >and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> >
> >We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll find a
> >better venue.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> >To: "Northeast Raves" < ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >
> >Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> >Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> >
> >
> > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?!
> >There are
> > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> > >
> > > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that
> it's
> >not
> > > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address in
> the
> >To:
> > > field send a blank email to:
> > > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > > It's that easy.
> > >
> > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> >yourself
> >first.
> > > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> >apologize.
> > > Let me know if that's the case.
> > >
> > > Jasper
> > >
> > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
> >messageboards to my email all day.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> > > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures,
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You're allowed to subscribe or unsubscribe any time you like, and can
say whatever you want without being removed.

That's some private club.


On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
> displeasure with the state of the list.
>
> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club where
> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed and
> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal just
> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
>
> I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother inserting your
> snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say something
> constuctive)
>
> So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's opinion is
> respected?
> If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very email as
> my
>
> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
>
> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll find a
> better venue.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>
> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
>
>
> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?!
> There are
> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> >
> > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that it's
> not
> > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address in the
> To:
> > field send a blank email to:
> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > It's that easy.
> >
> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it yourself
> first.
> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I apologize.
> > Let me know if that's the case.
> >
> > Jasper
> >
> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
> messageboards to my email all day.
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > Sean
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email
> and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing

Josh,

You're just proving the point.  Add "terrorist", "treehugging hippy"
"ass****", "Pervert" and something about bestiality to the scorecards.
Josh you're such a genious.. proving you can debate by using such colorful
words....wow.. how original.

Who the hell wants to join the discussion after a welcome like that? Expect
me to be flattered?
With all the pent up anger you have Josh... care to give us all another
lecuture on PLUR?

Thomas




> He hates freedom of speech because he is a treehugging hippy who supports
> the terrorists.  And Thomas, seeing as the PVD thing really was a joke
that
> pretty much everyone got and was amused by except for you, well, I guess
> that speaks volumes about the thickness of your skin (or, perhaps, your
> level of pretentiousness).
>
> This list is, was, and always will be a place for every kind of person who
> enjoys EDM and it's associated events to come together.  And just like
real
> life some of us are assholes.  And, again, much like real life, if you
don't
> agree with the assholes then you should ignore them or take it upon
yourself
> to debate them.  It's fun.  Get down off of your horse, take the stick out
> of your ass and try it.  Or stay up there with your stick if that's what
> makes you happy.  I'm not going to judge you.  Wait, yes I am, you
pervert.
> Horses, dude, horses.
>
> What is this list coming too when we allow people to talk about their
> penchant for beastiality?  Shame on you, Thomas Noe, SHAME ON YOU!
>
> On 7/24/06, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > BOTH. it's an OPEN FORUM where people can SAY WHAT THEY WANT, up to, and
> > possibly including, CALLING YOU A DOUCHE.
> >
> > WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
> >
> > On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for proving my point...
> > >
> > > I get called fascist,"pretentious failed-miscarriage"  and pretty much
> > > every
> > > other foul word here...  just for voicing my opinion.
> > > I have no problem with the traffic whatsoever...if you think it's the
> > > volume
> > > that's bothering folks then you are really missing the point... it's
the
> > > content.
> > >
> > > It's also the supression of free speech that bothers me.. (everyone
who
> > > disagrees gets a verbal beatdown)
> > >
> > > Do you guys honestly feel that kind of stuff makes people feel welcome
> > and
> > > want to post and be a part of it all?
> > > I'm not shying away from debate...
> > >
> > > SO WHICH IS IT? PRIVATE CLUB or OPEN FORUM?
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Thomas Noe" <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > > Cc: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>; "Northeast Raves"
> > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> > >
> > >
> > > > oh cry me a river -- life is tough, and if you make shitty and
> > > unsupported
> > > > statements anywhere you'll get jumped on. just because lots of
techno
> > > music
> > > > has the word 'smile' or 'unicorn' in the title dosen't make this
list
> > > some
> > > > enforced happy fun zone, fascist.
> > > >
> > > > you just have to get used to the idea that it's impossible to hide
> > from
> > > the
> > > > majority, and the majority of people are morons. man up!
> > > >
> > > > On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
> > > opinion
> > > > > is
> > > > > respected?
> > > > > If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
> > > email
> > > > > as
> > > > > my
> > > > >
> > > > > VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > > > > and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
> > > find
> > > a
> > > > > better venue.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > > > > To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > > > Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the
> > > list?!
> > > > > There are
> > > > > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see
> > that
> > > it's
> > > > > not
> > > > > > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the
address
> > in
> > > the
> > > > > To:
> > > > > > field send a blank email to:
> > > > > > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > > > > > It's that easy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> > > > > yourself
> > > > > first.
> > > > > > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> > > > > apologize.
> > > > > > Let me know if that's the case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jasper
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies
> > from
> > > > > messageboards to my email all day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sean
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search,
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
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> > > > --
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> > > > meatsock@gmail.com
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I like the emails that have a point even if I do not agree with  
it................ I like the emails that do not waste my time with a one  word response. 
I really think talking to each other with malicious intent is  unworthy time 
except if your that ugh what's his name?????  from  mass............. ah yes 
entropy.  
 
we have to realize that a lot of the older music people are not down with  
the street slang & ghetto talk. I for one do not like to read those emails  
either. 
 
even though i want to subscribe most of the time I do  not................  
 
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stop complaining about human communication.

On 7/24/06, Ian Kemp <imkemp@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events you
> didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box filled up
> with
> what is essentially three people spouting off at each other is bordering
> on
> spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD tickets? That should have been
> the end of it...tickets...for...sale. The subsequent 50 emails just prove
> why discussion lists don't work any more. Forums at least allow people to
> have conversations without filling up my inbox......and in turn this is
> going to do more damage as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to
> find out about that 1 event which I might go to.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> >From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>, Northeast Raves <
> ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> >
> >I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
> >displeasure with the state of the list.
> >
> >Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club
> where
> >EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed and
> >insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal just
> >for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> >
> >I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother inserting
> your
> >snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say something
> >constuctive)
> >
> >So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's opinion
> is
> >respected?
> >If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very email
> as
> >my
> >
> >VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> >and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> >
> >We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll find a
> >better venue.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> >To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >
> >Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> >Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> >
> >
> > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?!
> >There are
> > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> > >
> > > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that
> it's
> >not
> > > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address in
> the
> >To:
> > > field send a blank email to:
> > > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > > It's that easy.
> > >
> > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> >yourself
> >first.
> > > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> >apologize.
> > > Let me know if that's the case.
> > >
> > > Jasper
> > >
> > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
> >messageboards to my email all day.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > >
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> > > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures,
> email
> >and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> > > >
> > >
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Why do you hate intelligent responses? Must we resort to name calling? 
 
 

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yes, haven't you read RFC 0129, Mailling List Retorts listed alphabetically
by expletive?

On 7/24/06, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
>  Why do you hate intelligent responses? Must we resort to name calling?
>
>
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wow I think we have a winner here.............................   This should 
be the end of the discussion because it answered all the w's.
 
Thank you for your eloquence 

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Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now that nobody bothers to 
learn how to set up a killfile?"

The best way not to be bothered by another poster is to ignore their 
posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email addresses of the people who 
are annoying you, and instruct your mail reader to dispose of their 
offensive communications. End of problem. Instead, you have chosen to 
further crap up everyone's inbox by sending  whiny emails about how they 
should stop crapping up everyone's inbox. Genius.

If you truly object to a discussion list, then by all means, go make 
yourself a friendly happy announce-only list. Be as quiet and 
uncommunicative there as you want! Knock yourself out! But why in the 
hell would you sit around on a discussion list complaining that it's a 
discussion list instead of an announcement list? In what kind of 
universe does this make sense?

To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I like you guys. =) I've met 
some of my best friends in flamewars on rave lists... in fact, I now 
find out about most of the events I go to through some of those same 
friends. Coincidence?

    -Chandra

Ian Kemp wrote:
> Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events 
> you didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box 
> filled up with what is essentially three people spouting off at each 
> other is bordering on spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD 
> tickets? That should have been the end of it...tickets...for...sale. 
> The subsequent 50 emails just prove why discussion lists don't work 
> any more. Forums at least allow people to have conversations without 
> filling up my inbox......and in turn this is going to do more damage 
> as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to find out about that 
> 1 event which I might go to.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>> From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
>> Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
>> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>, Northeast Raves 
>> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
>> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
>>
>> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
>> displeasure with the state of the list.
>>
>> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club 
>> where
>> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed and
>> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal 
>> just
>> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
>>
>> I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother 
>> inserting your
>> snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say something
>> constuctive)
>>
>> So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's 
>> opinion is
>> respected?
>> If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very 
>> email as
>> my
>>
>> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
>> and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
>>
>> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll 
>> find a
>> better venue.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
>> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
>> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
>>
>>
>> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?!
>> There are
>> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
>> >
>> > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that 
>> it's
>> not
>> > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address 
>> in the
>> To:
>> > field send a blank email to:
>> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
>> > It's that easy.
>> >
>> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it 
>> yourself
>> first.
>> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I 
>> apologize.
>> > Let me know if that's the case.
>> >
>> > Jasper
>> >
>> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
>> messageboards to my email all day.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you!
>> > >
>> > > Sean
>> > > 
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, 
>> email
>> and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
>> > >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: ne-raves-help@hyperreal.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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lol that was a good one :)  you should give me $40 to go see  
him................
 
im sorry that made me giggle.   
 
 
how about an option to condense emails into a daily news letter if that's  
what you opt to do?
 
i think that would be a good solution to this.

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Chandra gets a gold star from me.  Bonus points for the "killfile" reference
that maybe 6 people on this list even get.

On 7/24/06, Chandra Barnett <chandra@caltech.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now that nobody bothers to
> learn how to set up a killfile?"
>
> The best way not to be bothered by another poster is to ignore their
> posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email addresses of the people who
> are annoying you, and instruct your mail reader to dispose of their
> offensive communications. End of problem. Instead, you have chosen to
> further crap up everyone's inbox by sending  whiny emails about how they
> should stop crapping up everyone's inbox. Genius.
>
> If you truly object to a discussion list, then by all means, go make
> yourself a friendly happy announce-only list. Be as quiet and
> uncommunicative there as you want! Knock yourself out! But why in the
> hell would you sit around on a discussion list complaining that it's a
> discussion list instead of an announcement list? In what kind of
> universe does this make sense?
>
> To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I like you guys. =) I've met
> some of my best friends in flamewars on rave lists... in fact, I now
> find out about most of the events I go to through some of those same
> friends. Coincidence?
>
>     -Chandra
>
> Ian Kemp wrote:
> > Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events
> > you didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box
> > filled up with what is essentially three people spouting off at each
> > other is bordering on spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD
> > tickets? That should have been the end of it...tickets...for...sale.
> > The subsequent 50 emails just prove why discussion lists don't work
> > any more. Forums at least allow people to have conversations without
> > filling up my inbox......and in turn this is going to do more damage
> > as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to find out about that
> > 1 event which I might go to.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> >> From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >> Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>, Northeast Raves
> >> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> >> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> >>
> >> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
> >> displeasure with the state of the list.
> >>
> >> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club
> >> where
> >> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
> and
> >> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal
> >> just
> >> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> >>
> >> I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother
> >> inserting your
> >> snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say
> something
> >> constuctive)
> >>
> >> So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
> >> opinion is
> >> respected?
> >> If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
> >> email as
> >> my
> >>
> >> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> >> and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> >>
> >> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
> >> find a
> >> better venue.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> >> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> >> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> >>
> >>
> >> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?!
> >> There are
> >> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> >> >
> >> > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that
> >> it's
> >> not
> >> > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address
> >> in the
> >> To:
> >> > field send a blank email to:
> >> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> >> > It's that easy.
> >> >
> >> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> >> yourself
> >> first.
> >> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> >> apologize.
> >> > Let me know if that's the case.
> >> >
> >> > Jasper
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
> >> messageboards to my email all day.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you!
> >> > >
> >> > > Sean
> >> > >
> >>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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I don't think I've ever claimed to be, or have ever been accused of being, a
"genious" [sic].  If you haven't gathered by now that 1) there is no such
thing as "pent up anger" in my world.  I freely share it with everyone.  2)
I didn't give a lecture on PLUR, you did.  I provided a counterpoint.  Or
perhaps a rebuttal.  I don't care enough to figure out what it was exactly.
And 3) this thread, and to a lesser degree all of NER, is heavily laced with
sarcasm.  The terrorist and hippy jokes (yes, jokes) were following the
lines of the "WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM"
/Dubya/if-you're-not-with-me-you're-against-me thing.  So chill out.

And, to be honest, you pretty much inserted yourself into the conversation,
so don't complain about the "welcome" you got.

On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
>
> Josh,
>
> You're just proving the point.  Add "terrorist", "treehugging hippy"
> "ass****", "Pervert" and something about bestiality to the scorecards.
> Josh you're such a genious.. proving you can debate by using such colorful
> words....wow.. how original.
>
> Who the hell wants to join the discussion after a welcome like that?
> Expect
> me to be flattered?
> With all the pent up anger you have Josh... care to give us all another
> lecuture on PLUR?
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> > He hates freedom of speech because he is a treehugging hippy who
> supports
> > the terrorists.  And Thomas, seeing as the PVD thing really was a joke
> that
> > pretty much everyone got and was amused by except for you, well, I guess
> > that speaks volumes about the thickness of your skin (or, perhaps, your
> > level of pretentiousness).
> >
> > This list is, was, and always will be a place for every kind of person
> who
> > enjoys EDM and it's associated events to come together.  And just like
> real
> > life some of us are assholes.  And, again, much like real life, if you
> don't
> > agree with the assholes then you should ignore them or take it upon
> yourself
> > to debate them.  It's fun.  Get down off of your horse, take the stick
> out
> > of your ass and try it.  Or stay up there with your stick if that's what
> > makes you happy.  I'm not going to judge you.  Wait, yes I am, you
> pervert.
> > Horses, dude, horses.
> >
> > What is this list coming too when we allow people to talk about their
> > penchant for beastiality?  Shame on you, Thomas Noe, SHAME ON YOU!
> >
> > On 7/24/06, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > BOTH. it's an OPEN FORUM where people can SAY WHAT THEY WANT, up to,
> and
> > > possibly including, CALLING YOU A DOUCHE.
> > >
> > > WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
> > >
> > > On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for proving my point...
> > > >
> > > > I get called fascist,"pretentious failed-miscarriage"  and pretty
> much
> > > > every
> > > > other foul word here...  just for voicing my opinion.
> > > > I have no problem with the traffic whatsoever...if you think it's
> the
> > > > volume
> > > > that's bothering folks then you are really missing the point... it's
> the
> > > > content.
> > > >
> > > > It's also the supression of free speech that bothers me.. (everyone
> who
> > > > disagrees gets a verbal beatdown)
> > > >
> > > > Do you guys honestly feel that kind of stuff makes people feel
> welcome
> > > and
> > > > want to post and be a part of it all?
> > > > I'm not shying away from debate...
> > > >
> > > > SO WHICH IS IT? PRIVATE CLUB or OPEN FORUM?
> > > >
> > > > T
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Thomas Noe" <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > > > Cc: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>; "Northeast Raves"
> > > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 3:16 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > oh cry me a river -- life is tough, and if you make shitty and
> > > > unsupported
> > > > > statements anywhere you'll get jumped on. just because lots of
> techno
> > > > music
> > > > > has the word 'smile' or 'unicorn' in the title dosen't make this
> list
> > > > some
> > > > > enforced happy fun zone, fascist.
> > > > >
> > > > > you just have to get used to the idea that it's impossible to hide
> > > from
> > > > the
> > > > > majority, and the majority of people are morons. man up!
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
> > > > opinion
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > respected?
> > > > > > If this list is more of a private club then you can take this
> very
> > > > email
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > my
> > > > > >
> > > > > > VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > > > > > and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and
> we'll
> > > > find
> > > > a
> > > > > > better venue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > > > > > To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the
> > > > list?!
> > > > > > There are
> > > > > > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see
> > > that
> > > > it's
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the
> address
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > field send a blank email to:
> > > > > > > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > > > > > > It's that easy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do
> it
> > > > > > yourself
> > > > > > first.
> > > > > > > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition
> I
> > > > > > apologize.
> > > > > > > Let me know if that's the case.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jasper
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies
> > > from
> > > > > > messageboards to my email all day.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sean
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> ________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search,
> pictures,
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> > > > > > and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> > > > > > > >
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wanna cyber?

On 7/24/06, Chandra Barnett <chandra@caltech.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now that nobody bothers to
> learn how to set up a killfile?"
>
> The best way not to be bothered by another poster is to ignore their
> posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email addresses of the people who
> are annoying you, and instruct your mail reader to dispose of their
> offensive communications. End of problem. Instead, you have chosen to
> further crap up everyone's inbox by sending  whiny emails about how they
> should stop crapping up everyone's inbox. Genius.
>
> If you truly object to a discussion list, then by all means, go make
> yourself a friendly happy announce-only list. Be as quiet and
> uncommunicative there as you want! Knock yourself out! But why in the
> hell would you sit around on a discussion list complaining that it's a
> discussion list instead of an announcement list? In what kind of
> universe does this make sense?
>
> To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I like you guys. =) I've met
> some of my best friends in flamewars on rave lists... in fact, I now
> find out about most of the events I go to through some of those same
> friends. Coincidence?
>
>     -Chandra
>
> Ian Kemp wrote:
> > Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events
> > you didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box
> > filled up with what is essentially three people spouting off at each
> > other is bordering on spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD
> > tickets? That should have been the end of it...tickets...for...sale.
> > The subsequent 50 emails just prove why discussion lists don't work
> > any more. Forums at least allow people to have conversations without
> > filling up my inbox......and in turn this is going to do more damage
> > as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to find out about that
> > 1 event which I might go to.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> >> From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >> Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>, Northeast Raves
> >> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> >> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> >>
> >> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
> >> displeasure with the state of the list.
> >>
> >> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club
> >> where
> >> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
> and
> >> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal
> >> just
> >> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> >>
> >> I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother
> >> inserting your
> >> snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say
> something
> >> constuctive)
> >>
> >> So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
> >> opinion is
> >> respected?
> >> If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
> >> email as
> >> my
> >>
> >> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> >> and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> >>
> >> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
> >> find a
> >> better venue.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> >> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> >> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> >>
> >>
> >> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the list?!
> >> There are
> >> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> >> >
> >> > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that
> >> it's
> >> not
> >> > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address
> >> in the
> >> To:
> >> > field send a blank email to:
> >> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> >> > It's that easy.
> >> >
> >> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> >> yourself
> >> first.
> >> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> >> apologize.
> >> > Let me know if that's the case.
> >> >
> >> > Jasper
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
> >> messageboards to my email all day.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you!
> >> > >
> >> > > Sean
> >> > >
> >>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> >> > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures,
> >> email
> >> and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> >> > >
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> >> >
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing

"shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend PVD?"
Had it stopped there it would have been fine... however there were at least
30 posts after that that all just served to hijack the thread. All before I
even voiced myself...and what happened next? I get accused of being a
terrorist and anti free speech. WHO IS THE HYPOCRITE HERE?

It's always the same excuse.. "ahh were just making jokes".  That first
quote.. "shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend PVD?"

OK.. it's a joke... ha ha I get it...delete and done.....but you guys kept
at it....

 "Anyway, yeah, he's a douche, a fascist, and a pretentious failed
miscarriage."

I don't see the humor here...  or maybe I'm wrong cause then you should go
on the road with this material because it's defintely cutting edge.












> I don't think that was that bad, do you?  Yet Mr. Noe decided that he
would
> take on the plight of the oppressed, pulling a Jesse Jackson, if you will
> (and much like Mr. Rainbow Coallition he quotes MLK), and came to her
> defense.  It really was just a "elbow jab" kind of joke.
>
> Anyway, yeah, he's a douche, a fascist, and a pretentious failed
> miscarriage.
>
> I'll leave you all now with a tribute to proby: "vomit.  paece"
>
>
> On 7/24/06, Ian Kemp < imkemp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events you
> > didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box filled up
> > with
> > what is essentially three people spouting off at each other is bordering
> > on
> > spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD tickets? That should have
been
> > the end of it...tickets...for...sale. The subsequent 50 emails just
prove
> > why discussion lists don't work any more. Forums at least allow people
to
> > have conversations without filling up my inbox......and in turn this is
> > going to do more damage as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails
to
> > find out about that 1 event which I might go to.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> > >From: Thomas Noe < admin@internationalswede.com>
> > >Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > >To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org >, Northeast Raves <
> > ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > >Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> > >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> > >
> > >I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
> > >displeasure with the state of the list.
> > >
> > >Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club
> > where
> > >EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
and
> > >insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal
just
> > >for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> > >
> > >I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother inserting
> > your
> > >snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say
something
> > >constuctive)
> > >
> > >So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
opinion
> > is
> > >respected?
> > >If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
email
> > as
> > >my
> > >
> > >VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > >and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> > >
> > >We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll find
a
> > >better venue.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > >To: "Northeast Raves" < ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > >
> > >Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > >Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > >
> > >
> > > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the
list?!
> > >There are
> > > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> > > >
> > > > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that
> > it's
> > >not
> > > > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address in
> > the
> > >To:
> > > > field send a blank email to:
> > > > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > > > It's that easy.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> > >yourself
> > >first.
> > > > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> > >apologize.
> > > > Let me know if that's the case.
> > > >
> > > > Jasper
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
> > >messageboards to my email all day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> >
>________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures,
> > email
> > >and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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I know NER used to have a digest version.  Don't know if it's still an
option.

And I can't claim any credit for the original joke, that was all frankis
(aka phllystyl).

On 7/24/06, Distort909@aol.com <Distort909@aol.com> wrote:
>
>  lol that was a good one :)  you should give me $40 to go see
> him................
>
> im sorry that made me giggle.
>
>
> how about an option to condense emails into a daily news letter if that's
> what you opt to do?
>
> i think that would be a good solution to this.
>

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i KNOW i'm not the only one laughing, here.

On 7/24/06, Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com> wrote:
>
> "shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend PVD?"
> Had it stopped there it would have been fine... however there were at
> least
> 30 posts after that that all just served to hijack the thread. All before
> I
> even voiced myself...and what happened next? I get accused of being a
> terrorist and anti free speech. WHO IS THE HYPOCRITE HERE?
>
> It's always the same excuse.. "ahh were just making jokes".  That first
> quote.. "shouldnt you be giving me $40 for having to attend PVD?"
>
> OK.. it's a joke... ha ha I get it...delete and done.....but you guys kept
> at it....
>
> "Anyway, yeah, he's a douche, a fascist, and a pretentious failed
> miscarriage."
>
> I don't see the humor here...  or maybe I'm wrong cause then you should go
> on the road with this material because it's defintely cutting edge.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I don't think that was that bad, do you?  Yet Mr. Noe decided that he
> would
> > take on the plight of the oppressed, pulling a Jesse Jackson, if you
> will
> > (and much like Mr. Rainbow Coallition he quotes MLK), and came to her
> > defense.  It really was just a "elbow jab" kind of joke.
> >
> > Anyway, yeah, he's a douche, a fascist, and a pretentious failed
> > miscarriage.
> >
> > I'll leave you all now with a tribute to proby: "vomit.  paece"
> >
> >
> > On 7/24/06, Ian Kemp < imkemp@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events
> you
> > > didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box filled
> up
> > > with
> > > what is essentially three people spouting off at each other is
> bordering
> > > on
> > > spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD tickets? That should have
> been
> > > the end of it...tickets...for...sale. The subsequent 50 emails just
> prove
> > > why discussion lists don't work any more. Forums at least allow people
> to
> > > have conversations without filling up my inbox......and in turn this
> is
> > > going to do more damage as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails
> to
> > > find out about that 1 event which I might go to.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Thomas Noe < admin@internationalswede.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > > >To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org >, Northeast Raves <
> > > ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > >Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> > > >
> > > >I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
> > > >displeasure with the state of the list.
> > > >
> > > >Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club
> > > where
> > > >EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
> and
> > > >insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal
> just
> > > >for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> > > >
> > > >I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother
> inserting
> > > your
> > > >snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say
> something
> > > >constuctive)
> > > >
> > > >So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
> opinion
> > > is
> > > >respected?
> > > >If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
> email
> > > as
> > > >my
> > > >
> > > >VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > > >and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> > > >
> > > >We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
> find
> a
> > > >better venue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > > >To: "Northeast Raves" < ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > >
> > > >Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > >Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the
> list?!
> > > >There are
> > > > > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see
> that
> > > it's
> > > >not
> > > > > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address
> in
> > > the
> > > >To:
> > > > > field send a blank email to:
> > > > > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > > > > It's that easy.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> > > >yourself
> > > >first.
> > > > > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> > > >apologize.
> > > > > Let me know if that's the case.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jasper
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies
> from
> > > >messageboards to my email all day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sean
> > > > > >
> > >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures,
> > > email
> > > >and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
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hello i just want to help fill up everyones mail box with a  extra email

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sup bro

On 7/24/06, RyDe510@aol.com <RyDe510@aol.com> wrote:
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just rock out wit yo cock out why dontcha


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> sup bro
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word, man!

On 7/24/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> just rock out wit yo cock out why dontcha
>
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > sup bro
> >
> > On 7/24/06, RyDe510@aol.com <RyDe510@aol.com> wrote:
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Help me unsubscribe please
i am getting 2 versions
the batch list and individual

and i am sending black email to the unsub addy and still i   am getting them

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have you tried orange emails?

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> i am getting 2 versions
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woah now there's no need for a FLAME WAR.

On 7/24/06, cindy reiber <renee1828@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> go f@ck yourself dude and get me off your list. you must not have a life
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> *Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>* wrote:
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>
>
> On 7/24/06, Frank Scott wrote:
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> > just rock out wit yo cock out why dontcha
> >
> >
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what the fuck?

first spam, now racism?  Why's the email gotta be
black?

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> have you tried orange emails?
> 
> On 7/24/06, Cindydays@aol.com <Cindydays@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Help me unsubscribe please
> > i am getting 2 versions
> > the batch list and individual
> >
> > and i am sending black email to the unsub addy and
> still i   am getting
> > them
> >
> > Help
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> >
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man, kids today just don't get it. i really think PLUR is dead and people
should stop raving, and this email just proves i'm right.

On 7/24/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> what the fuck?
>
> first spam, now racism?  Why's the email gotta be
> black?
>
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > have you tried orange emails?
> >
> > On 7/24/06, Cindydays@aol.com <Cindydays@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Help me unsubscribe please
> > > i am getting 2 versions
> > > the batch list and individual
> > >
> > > and i am sending black email to the unsub addy and
> > still i   am getting
> > > them
> > >
> > > Help
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply
> > to this
> > message.
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> > ----
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> > pete lastname
> > meatsock@gmail.com
> > www.grep-fu.net
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An excerpt from "Steel Epiphany", a new rave short story by Jeremy Ironfold.     Chapter One   
  The steel factory looked worn and wounded, on the verge of entering its death spiral.  Built in the 1930s to support America's industrial expansion for the war, the facility had once been state of the art.  It was now November 2002.  The Pittsburgh landscape was barren and bleak, and the charred smokestack pumped out foreboding plumes of black clouds.   Even the gangly vegetation had a black, steely pallor.  Fishermen, known to cast their rods anywhere, anytime, didn't even bother in Lancer's district.  The local waters were stagnant and full of copper, lead, ore and other metals toxic to the environment. 
   
  The Lancer Steel Company produced mostly steel bars, h-beams, rods and coils.  To offset the declining fortunes of these commodity products, Lancer had recently added a line to produce railroad cars.  The rail car line was fairly busy, but Lancer's core business was sinking faster than a glutton's waistline.  
   
  The factory sat along an industrial railway where decrepit cars shuttled in raw materials and shipped out finished goods.  Some of the windows were shattered and the grounds were in shambles.   Cosmetic appearances were hardly important with steel prices in the crapper thanks to the global recession and Lancer's ailing financials.  Management fought hard to cut costs, but it was an uphill battle with the hostile local union and Lancer's antiquated technology and equipment.   The General Manager was a fiery Italian named Ray Nutella.
   
  Steelworker Rodney Burl was a 16 year veteran of the plant and earned $15 per hour.  Burl's job was to maintain and regulate the massive blast furnace.  The blast furnace was where iron ore, coking coal and other materials were heated to extreme temperatures and then turned into molten steel.  The molten liquid would then be used to produce steel products in other areas of the plant.  The blast furnace was a 20 foot deep pit which sat in the middle of a large octagonal room.   Burl was posted two storeys above the pit in an non-airconditioned viewing area with primitive environmental gauges and controls.  The heat could be unbearable- even in winter- and the air was thick as thieves.   In his early days at the plant, Burl had been at ground level, shoveling ore and coal direct into the pit.  This task had since been automated and Burl now felt content to serve as the eye in the sky. 
   
  Friday night!  Burl clocked out and huddled with his crones, Eddie Foo, Pete Wilbey, and Karl Kraut.   Friday nights were reserved for nights at the local pub, to decompress with Rolling Rocks and get pumped up for the weekend's Steelers games.  The Eight Ball was on the outskirts of the industrial district.   The gang busted in and sat at their usual seats with a bird's eye view of the entire room.  The barroom smelled of steel and hard liquor.  Frankie Fingers, the 90 year old house piano man, was playing his sentimental version of I've Got You Under My Skin. 
   
  Wilbey summoned the tired waitress, Maggie Sue, and barked out, "the usual."   Back in high school, Wilbey had dated Maggie, but it didn't work out.  She resented Wilbey and the rest of his surly gang.
   
  The aged waitress returned with a six pack of Rolling Rock and haughtily dispensed two to each of the boys along with a tin bowl of stale beer pretzels.   Karl proposed a toast-  "to many more years at Lancer!"
   
  Wilbey countered-   "To the Steelers!"
   
  Burl's iron grip nearly crushed the green bottle as he guzzled it down in one swift gulp with the beer turned at a 90 degree angle to his gullet.   Something felt out of place tonight.  Burl suspected that trouble was heading his way.  Not only had he noticed the slowing work orders at Lancer, but he seen an increasing number of crows that week.  Business had been slow for months, and some of this crones' hours had been cut.  Burl's wife was pregnant with their fourth.  The family's credit cards were already maxed out and financial ruin was only as far away as the unemployment line.   Burl worried for a fleeting moment, and then shrugged it off, concentrating on his next beer.   
   
  At one A.M., the sloppy Lancer gang retreated.  Stepping outside the bar and waiting for the angry designated driver, Mrs. Fae Wilbey, to pick them up, Burl marveled at the sound of the rail car production line.  Two miles away, the mass production continued round-the-clock.   With the jukebox playing a dance song inside the Eight Ball and the rhythmic precision of the steel plant, Burl felt a tingle run up and down his spine.  Burl thought, 'Life, like a production line, must forge ahead.' 

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> wanna cyber?
>
> On 7/24/06, Chandra Barnett <chandra@caltech.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now that nobody bothers to
>> learn how to set up a killfile?"
>>
>> The best way not to be bothered by another poster is to ignore their
>> posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email addresses of the people who
>> are annoying you, and instruct your mail reader to dispose of their
>> offensive communications. End of problem. Instead, you have chosen to
>> further crap up everyone's inbox by sending  whiny emails about how they
>> should stop crapping up everyone's inbox. Genius.
>>
>> If you truly object to a discussion list, then by all means, go make
>> yourself a friendly happy announce-only list. Be as quiet and
>> uncommunicative there as you want! Knock yourself out! But why in the
>> hell would you sit around on a discussion list complaining that it's a
>> discussion list instead of an announcement list? In what kind of
>> universe does this make sense?
>>
>> To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I like you guys. =) I've met
>> some of my best friends in flamewars on rave lists... in fact, I now
>> find out about most of the events I go to through some of those same
>> friends. Coincidence?
>>
>>     -Chandra
>>
>> Ian Kemp wrote:
>> > Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events
>> > you didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box
>> > filled up with what is essentially three people spouting off at each
>> > other is bordering on spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD
>> > tickets? That should have been the end of it...tickets...for...sale.
>> > The subsequent 50 emails just prove why discussion lists don't work
>> > any more. Forums at least allow people to have conversations without
>> > filling up my inbox......and in turn this is going to do more damage
>> > as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to find out about that
>> > 1 event which I might go to.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
>> >> Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
>> >> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>, Northeast Raves
>> >> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>> >> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
>> >> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
>> >>
>> >> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
>> >> displeasure with the state of the list.
>> >>
>> >> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private club
>> >> where
>> >> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
>> and
>> >> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal
>> >> just
>> >> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
>> >>
>> >> I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother
>> >> inserting your
>> >> snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say
>> something
>> >> constuctive)
>> >>
>> >> So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
>> >> opinion is
>> >> respected?
>> >> If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
>> >> email as
>> >> my
>> >>
>> >> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
>> >> and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
>> >>
>> >> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
>> >> find a
>> >> better venue.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
>> >> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
>> >>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
>> >> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the 
>> >> > list?!
>> >> There are
>> >> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
>> >> >
>> >> > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see that
>> >> it's
>> >> not
>> >> > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address
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>> >> > field send a blank email to:
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>> >> > It's that easy.
>> >> >
>> >> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
>> >> yourself
>> >> first.
>> >> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
>> >> apologize.
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>> >> > Jasper
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies from
>> >> messageboards to my email all day.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thank you!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sean
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
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r hot!!!!`1

On 7/24/06, -=GuS=- <gusman21@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> OMGHI2!!!!!!1!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>
> To: "Chandra Barnett" <chandra@caltech.edu>
> Cc: "Ian Kemp" <imkemp@hotmail.com>; <admin@internationalswede.com>;
> <jasper@hyperreal.org>; <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
>
>
> > wanna cyber?
> >
> > On 7/24/06, Chandra Barnett <chandra@caltech.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now that nobody bothers to
> >> learn how to set up a killfile?"
> >>
> >> The best way not to be bothered by another poster is to ignore their
> >> posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email addresses of the people who
> >> are annoying you, and instruct your mail reader to dispose of their
> >> offensive communications. End of problem. Instead, you have chosen to
> >> further crap up everyone's inbox by sending  whiny emails about how
> they
> >> should stop crapping up everyone's inbox. Genius.
> >>
> >> If you truly object to a discussion list, then by all means, go make
> >> yourself a friendly happy announce-only list. Be as quiet and
> >> uncommunicative there as you want! Knock yourself out! But why in the
> >> hell would you sit around on a discussion list complaining that it's a
> >> discussion list instead of an announcement list? In what kind of
> >> universe does this make sense?
> >>
> >> To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I like you guys. =) I've met
> >> some of my best friends in flamewars on rave lists... in fact, I now
> >> find out about most of the events I go to through some of those same
> >> friends. Coincidence?
> >>
> >>     -Chandra
> >>
> >> Ian Kemp wrote:
> >> > Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the events
> >> > you didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box
> >> > filled up with what is essentially three people spouting off at each
> >> > other is bordering on spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD
> >> > tickets? That should have been the end of it...tickets...for...sale.
> >> > The subsequent 50 emails just prove why discussion lists don't work
> >> > any more. Forums at least allow people to have conversations without
> >> > filling up my inbox......and in turn this is going to do more damage
> >> > as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to find out about that
> >> > 1 event which I might go to.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >> >> Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com>
> >> >> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>, Northeast Raves
> >> >> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >> >> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
> >> >> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> >> >>
> >> >> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
> >> >> displeasure with the state of the list.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a private
> club
> >> >> where
> >> >> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
> >> and
> >> >> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some poor gal
> >> >> just
> >> >> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> >> >>
> >> >> I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother
> >> >> inserting your
> >> >> snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say
> >> something
> >> >> constuctive)
> >> >>
> >> >> So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
> >> >> opinion is
> >> >> respected?
> >> >> If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
> >> >> email as
> >> >> my
> >> >>
> >> >> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> >> >> and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
> >> >>
> >> >> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
> >> >> find a
> >> >> better venue.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> >> >> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> >> >> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off the
> >> >> > list?!
> >> >> There are
> >> >> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to see
> that
> >> >> it's
> >> >> not
> >> >> > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address
> >> >> in the
> >> >> To:
> >> >> > field send a blank email to:
> >> >> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> >> >> > It's that easy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
> >> >> yourself
> >> >> first.
> >> >> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
> >> >> apologize.
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> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jasper
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get replies
> from
> >> >> messageboards to my email all day.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thank you!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Sean
> >> >> > >
> >> >>
> >>
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From: Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com>
To: Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>, -=GuS=- <gusman21@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing

wow this thread really just took it to the next level.

bravo chaps.  JOLLY GOOD SHOW!!!!!

*applause*

--- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> send a blank message to
> ne-raves-cyber-subscribe@hyperreal.org 2 cyber if u
> r hot!!!!`1
> 
> On 7/24/06, -=GuS=- <gusman21@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > OMGHI2!!!!!!1!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>
> > To: "Chandra Barnett" <chandra@caltech.edu>
> > Cc: "Ian Kemp" <imkemp@hotmail.com>;
> <admin@internationalswede.com>;
> > <jasper@hyperreal.org>; <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are
> unsubscribing
> >
> >
> > > wanna cyber?
> > >
> > > On 7/24/06, Chandra Barnett
> <chandra@caltech.edu> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now
> that nobody bothers to
> > >> learn how to set up a killfile?"
> > >>
> > >> The best way not to be bothered by another
> poster is to ignore their
> > >> posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email
> addresses of the people who
> > >> are annoying you, and instruct your mail reader
> to dispose of their
> > >> offensive communications. End of problem.
> Instead, you have chosen to
> > >> further crap up everyone's inbox by sending 
> whiny emails about how
> > they
> > >> should stop crapping up everyone's inbox.
> Genius.
> > >>
> > >> If you truly object to a discussion list, then
> by all means, go make
> > >> yourself a friendly happy announce-only list.
> Be as quiet and
> > >> uncommunicative there as you want! Knock
> yourself out! But why in the
> > >> hell would you sit around on a discussion list
> complaining that it's a
> > >> discussion list instead of an announcement
> list? In what kind of
> > >> universe does this make sense?
> > >>
> > >> To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I like
> you guys. =) I've met
> > >> some of my best friends in flamewars on rave
> lists... in fact, I now
> > >> find out about most of the events I go to
> through some of those same
> > >> friends. Coincidence?
> > >>
> > >>     -Chandra
> > >>
> > >> Ian Kemp wrote:
> > >> > Until last week, this was a good way to get
> details about the events
> > >> > you didn't know about. In this day and age,
> having your email box
> > >> > filled up with what is essentially three
> people spouting off at each
> > >> > other is bordering on spam. So what if
> someone wants to sell PVD
> > >> > tickets? That should have been the end of
> it...tickets...for...sale.
> > >> > The subsequent 50 emails just prove why
> discussion lists don't work
> > >> > any more. Forums at least allow people to
> have conversations without
> > >> > filling up my inbox......and in turn this is
> going to do more damage
> > >> > as I'm less inclined to pour through 50
> emails to find out about that
> > >> > 1 event which I might go to.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> From: Thomas Noe
> <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > >> >> Reply-To: Thomas Noe
> <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > >> >> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>, Northeast
> Raves
> > >> >> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > >> >> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are
> unsubscribing
> > >> >> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because
> they are voicing their
> > >> >> displeasure with the state of the list.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Is this listserv all about
> raves/events/music or is it a private
> > club
> > >> >> where
> > >> >> EVERYONE who disagrees with the
> bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
> > >> and
> > >> >> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing
> to shreds some poor gal
> > >> >> just
> > >> >> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I left that crap behind in Junior High
> School! (Don't bother
> > >> >> inserting your
> > >> >> snide comment here as it will just prove
> your inability to say
> > >> something
> > >> >> constuctive)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So which is it? A private club or an open
> forum where everyone's
> > >> >> opinion is
> > >> >> respected?
> > >> >> If this list is more of a private club then
> you can take this very
> > >> >> email as
> > >> >> my
> > >> >>
> > >> >> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > >> >> and I encourage others who feel the same way
> to UNSUB as well.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in
> the sandbox and we'll
> > >> >> find a
> > >> >> better venue.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > >> >> To: "Northeast Raves"
> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > >> >> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me
> to take them off the
> > >> >> > list?!
> > >> >> There are
> > >> >> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY
> message!
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Look at the header of the emails you get
> from this list to see
> > that
> > >> >> it's
> > >> >> not
> > >> >> > forwarded from some other address of
> yours. Then from the address
> > >> >> in the
> > >> >> To:
> > >> >> > field send a blank email to:
> > >> >> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> > >> >> > It's that easy.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But
> please people try to do it
> > >> >> yourself
> > >> >> first.
> > >> >> > If there is something totally broken with
> the unsub funcition I
> > >> >> apologize.
> > >> >> > Let me know if that's the case.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Jasper
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006,
> ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > Can you please remove my email from the
> list?  I get replies
> > from
> > >> >> messageboards to my email all day.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Thank you!
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Sean
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________
> > >> >> > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news,
> video search, pictures,
> > >> >> email
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And all I wanted to do was sell my lil' old ticket....now look what I 
sparked!  

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*

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strong work ;)

--- Glittagurl77@aol.com wrote:

> And all I wanted to do was sell my lil' old
> ticket....now look what I 
> sparked!  
> 
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing

he once was.  And Im glad he isnt ;)

say what you will about the current posters, but
atleast we have an ethos.

--- "deknow@netzero.net" <deknow@netzero.net> wrote:

> ...someone needs to get ian (entropy) subscribed (if
> he isn't).  he 
> is still hollering about "that's not hardcore", but
> with a newly 
> found christian world view there might be some
> amusment value there :)
> 
> deknow
> 
> -- Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
> wow this thread really just took it to the next
> level.
> 
> bravo chaps.  JOLLY GOOD SHOW!!!!!
> 
> *applause*
> 
> --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > send a blank message to
> > ne-raves-cyber-subscribe@hyperreal.org 2 cyber if
> u
> > r hot!!!!`1
> > 
> > On 7/24/06, -=GuS=- <gusman21@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > OMGHI2!!!!!!1!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Chandra Barnett" <chandra@caltech.edu>
> > > Cc: "Ian Kemp" <imkemp@hotmail.com>;
> > <admin@internationalswede.com>;
> > > <jasper@hyperreal.org>; <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are
> > unsubscribing
> > >
> > >
> > > > wanna cyber?
> > > >
> > > > On 7/24/06, Chandra Barnett
> > <chandra@caltech.edu> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now
> > that nobody bothers to
> > > >> learn how to set up a killfile?"
> > > >>
> > > >> The best way not to be bothered by another
> > poster is to ignore their
> > > >> posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email
> > addresses of the people who
> > > >> are annoying you, and instruct your mail
> reader
> > to dispose of their
> > > >> offensive communications. End of problem.
> > Instead, you have chosen to
> > > >> further crap up everyone's inbox by sending 
> > whiny emails about how
> > > they
> > > >> should stop crapping up everyone's inbox.
> > Genius.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you truly object to a discussion list,
> then
> > by all means, go make
> > > >> yourself a friendly happy announce-only list.
> > Be as quiet and
> > > >> uncommunicative there as you want! Knock
> > yourself out! But why in the
> > > >> hell would you sit around on a discussion
> list
> > complaining that it's a
> > > >> discussion list instead of an announcement
> > list? In what kind of
> > > >> universe does this make sense?
> > > >>
> > > >> To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I
> like
> > you guys. =) I've met
> > > >> some of my best friends in flamewars on rave
> > lists... in fact, I now
> > > >> find out about most of the events I go to
> > through some of those same
> > > >> friends. Coincidence?
> > > >>
> > > >>     -Chandra
> > > >>
> > > >> Ian Kemp wrote:
> > > >> > Until last week, this was a good way to get
> > details about the events
> > > >> > you didn't know about. In this day and age,
> > having your email box
> > > >> > filled up with what is essentially three
> > people spouting off at each
> > > >> > other is bordering on spam. So what if
> > someone wants to sell PVD
> > > >> > tickets? That should have been the end of
> > it...tickets...for...sale.
> > > >> > The subsequent 50 emails just prove why
> > discussion lists don't work
> > > >> > any more. Forums at least allow people to
> > have conversations without
> > > >> > filling up my inbox......and in turn this
> is
> > going to do more damage
> > > >> > as I'm less inclined to pour through 50
> > emails to find out about that
> > > >> > 1 event which I might go to.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cheers.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> From: Thomas Noe
> > <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > > >> >> Reply-To: Thomas Noe
> > <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > > >> >> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>,
> Northeast
> > Raves
> > > >> >> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > >> >> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are
> > unsubscribing
> > > >> >> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I think people are UNSUBing publicly
> because
> > they are voicing their
> > > >> >> displeasure with the state of the list.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Is this listserv all about
> > raves/events/music or is it a private
> > > club
> > > >> >> where
> > > >> >> EVERYONE who disagrees with the
> > bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
> > > >> and
> > > >> >> insulted for voicing their opinions?
> Tearing
> > to shreds some poor gal
> > > >> >> just
> > > >> >> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I left that crap behind in Junior High
> > School! (Don't bother
> > > >> >> inserting your
> > > >> >> snide comment here as it will just prove
> > your inability to say
> > > >> something
> > > >> >> constuctive)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> So which is it? A private club or an open
> > forum where everyone's
> > > >> >> opinion is
> > > >> >> respected?
> > > >> >> If this list is more of a private club
> then
> > you can take this very
> > > >> >> email as
> > > >> >> my
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > > >> >> and I encourage others who feel the same
> way
> > to UNSUB as well.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> We can let the bullies stay by themselves
> in
> > the sandbox and we'll
> > > >> >> find a
> > > >> >> better venue.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > > >> >> To: "Northeast Raves"
> > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > >> >> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing
> me
> > to take them off the
> > > >> >> > list?!
> > > >> >> There are
> > > >> >> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY
> > message!
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Look at the header of the emails you get
> > from this list to see
> > > that
> > > >> >> it's
> > > >> >> not
> > > >> >> > forwarded from some other address of
> > yours. Then from the address
> > > >> >> in the
> > > >> >> To:
> > > >> >> > field send a blank email to:
> > > >> >> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> 
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Yeah, seriously.  Things were all nice and civil until she started cursing
at people.  Ed, why is she even on your list?  Flame wars are for greasy,
geeky guys who spend all day on the internets, not super hot g1rlz who need
to tell me their a/s/l

On 7/24/06, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> woah now there's no need for a FLAME WAR.
>
> On 7/24/06, cindy reiber <renee1828@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > go f@ck yourself dude and get me off your list. you must not have a lif=
e
> >
> >
> > *Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>* wrote:
> >
> > word, man!
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/24/06, Frank Scott wrote:
> > >
> > > just rock out wit yo cock out why dontcha
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Ed Hoc wrote:
> > >
> > > > sup bro
> > > >
> > > > On 7/24/06, RyDe510@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *hello i just want to help fill up everyones mail
> > > > box with a extra email*
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > pete lastname
> > > > meatsock@gmail.com
> > > > www.grep-fu.net
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> > >
> > >
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I, for one, think he needs to come back.  If only for a week or so ;)

And I just spent about 15 minutes trying to think of another good,
appropriate Lebowski quote and just couldn't.  I suck.

On 7/24/06, Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> he once was.  And Im glad he isnt ;)
>
> say what you will about the current posters, but
> atleast we have an ethos.
>
> --- "deknow@netzero.net" <deknow@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > ...someone needs to get ian (entropy) subscribed (if
> > he isn't).  he
> > is still hollering about "that's not hardcore", but
> > with a newly
> > found christian world view there might be some
> > amusment value there :)
> >
> > deknow
> >
> > -- Frank Scott <frank_i_s@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > wow this thread really just took it to the next
> > level.
> >
> > bravo chaps.  JOLLY GOOD SHOW!!!!!
> >
> > *applause*
> >
> > --- Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > send a blank message to
> > > ne-raves-cyber-subscribe@hyperreal.org 2 cyber if
> > u
> > > r hot!!!!`1
> > >
> > > On 7/24/06, -=GuS=- <gusman21@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OMGHI2!!!!!!1!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ed Hoc" <meatsock@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Chandra Barnett" <chandra@caltech.edu>
> > > > Cc: "Ian Kemp" <imkemp@hotmail.com>;
> > > <admin@internationalswede.com>;
> > > > <jasper@hyperreal.org>; <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:56 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ne-raves] why folks are
> > > unsubscribing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > wanna cyber?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/24/06, Chandra Barnett
> > > <chandra@caltech.edu> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now
> > > that nobody bothers to
> > > > >> learn how to set up a killfile?"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The best way not to be bothered by another
> > > poster is to ignore their
> > > > >> posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email
> > > addresses of the people who
> > > > >> are annoying you, and instruct your mail
> > reader
> > > to dispose of their
> > > > >> offensive communications. End of problem.
> > > Instead, you have chosen to
> > > > >> further crap up everyone's inbox by sending
> > > whiny emails about how
> > > > they
> > > > >> should stop crapping up everyone's inbox.
> > > Genius.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you truly object to a discussion list,
> > then
> > > by all means, go make
> > > > >> yourself a friendly happy announce-only list.
> > > Be as quiet and
> > > > >> uncommunicative there as you want! Knock
> > > yourself out! But why in the
> > > > >> hell would you sit around on a discussion
> > list
> > > complaining that it's a
> > > > >> discussion list instead of an announcement
> > > list? In what kind of
> > > > >> universe does this make sense?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I
> > like
> > > you guys. =) I've met
> > > > >> some of my best friends in flamewars on rave
> > > lists... in fact, I now
> > > > >> find out about most of the events I go to
> > > through some of those same
> > > > >> friends. Coincidence?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>     -Chandra
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ian Kemp wrote:
> > > > >> > Until last week, this was a good way to get
> > > details about the events
> > > > >> > you didn't know about. In this day and age,
> > > having your email box
> > > > >> > filled up with what is essentially three
> > > people spouting off at each
> > > > >> > other is bordering on spam. So what if
> > > someone wants to sell PVD
> > > > >> > tickets? That should have been the end of
> > > it...tickets...for...sale.
> > > > >> > The subsequent 50 emails just prove why
> > > discussion lists don't work
> > > > >> > any more. Forums at least allow people to
> > > have conversations without
> > > > >> > filling up my inbox......and in turn this
> > is
> > > going to do more damage
> > > > >> > as I'm less inclined to pour through 50
> > > emails to find out about that
> > > > >> > 1 event which I might go to.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Cheers.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> From: Thomas Noe
> > > <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > > > >> >> Reply-To: Thomas Noe
> > > <admin@internationalswede.com>
> > > > >> >> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org>,
> > Northeast
> > > Raves
> > > > >> >> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > >> >> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are
> > > unsubscribing
> > > > >> >> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I think people are UNSUBing publicly
> > because
> > > they are voicing their
> > > > >> >> displeasure with the state of the list.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Is this listserv all about
> > > raves/events/music or is it a private
> > > > club
> > > > >> >> where
> > > > >> >> EVERYONE who disagrees with the
> > > bullies/cowns on the list get "FU"ed
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> >> insulted for voicing their opinions?
> > Tearing
> > > to shreds some poor gal
> > > > >> >> just
> > > > >> >> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I left that crap behind in Junior High
> > > School! (Don't bother
> > > > >> >> inserting your
> > > > >> >> snide comment here as it will just prove
> > > your inability to say
> > > > >> something
> > > > >> >> constuctive)
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> So which is it? A private club or an open
> > > forum where everyone's
> > > > >> >> opinion is
> > > > >> >> respected?
> > > > >> >> If this list is more of a private club
> > then
> > > you can take this very
> > > > >> >> email as
> > > > >> >> my
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
> > > > >> >> and I encourage others who feel the same
> > way
> > > to UNSUB as well.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> We can let the bullies stay by themselves
> > in
> > > the sandbox and we'll
> > > > >> >> find a
> > > > >> >> better venue.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> >> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org>
> > > > >> >> To: "Northeast Raves"
> > > <ne-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > > >> >> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing
> > me
> > > to take them off the
> > > > >> >> > list?!
> > > > >> >> There are
> > > > >> >> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY
> > > message!
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Look at the header of the emails you get
> > > from this list to see
> > > > that
> > > > >> >> it's
> > > > >> >> not
> > > > >> >> > forwarded from some other address of
> > > yours. Then from the address
> > > > >> >> in the
> > > > >> >> To:
> > > > >> >> > field send a blank email to:
> > > > >> >> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
> >
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dude chill
i meant BLANK

hello
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Subject: [ne-raves] 8.11.06 - JOOF Recordings party! With John '00' Fleming and Jay
 Selway (cyzum)! (fwd)


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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:07:26 -0400
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To: nyc-raves@hyperreal.org
Subject: 8.11.06 - JOOF Recordings party! With John '00' Fleming and Jay Selway
     (cyzum)!

8.11.06 - JOOF Recordings party! With John '00' Fleming and Jay Selway
(cyzum)!

Konvocation proudly presents:
John 00 Fleming and Jay Selway (cyzum) at Club Five in DC. This special JOOF
Recordings party will feature t-shirt and CD give-aways all night as well as
music provided by JOOF Recordings founder, John 00 Fleming, and newest
addition, Jay Selway.

John '00' Fleming
JOOF Recordings | Euphoria | React | MW Global
www.john00fleming.com

Few people can claim to have been at the pinnacle of their profession for a
sustained period of time, having enjoyed so much success and still be
leading the way forward. John 00 Fleming, one of the dance music industries
most revered personalities, is amongst a small band of people who can say
they were responsible for igniting the spark of the scene we all know and
love today. A DJ career spanning more than 20 years from the ripe old age of
15 has afforded John 00 the sort of experience that most other DJs can only
dream of. Never afraid to push the boundaries in the projects that he turns
his hand to, he is the owner of the hugely successful J00F recordings and
hosts his own radio show on Ministry of Sound/DI.FM, the highly popular
Global Trance Grooves. A musical taste that transcends genres and his
determination to seek out fresh, new, exciting music has resulted in John
playing in almost every corner of the world and selling over 1 million CD
compilations in his career. John celebrated his sixth year in the DJ
Magazine Top 100 poll - a reminder that while many 'fad' DJs come and go,
his rock-solid fan base makes him one of the few names capable of
continuously filling clubs. He was also voted the 16th best DJ in the world
on the massive Trance Addict site - an accolade that John was particularly
honored by.

Jay Selway (aka cyzum)
JOOF Recordings | Iboga Records | Zero Divide | Konvocation | Digitally
Imported Radio
www.myspace.com/jayselwaymusic

With upcoming releases on JOOF Recordings, Iboga Records and Soular Records
, 2006 will be the break out year for this American producer. Along with his
musical partner, John C, Jay forms half of the group Zero Divide. Their hard
edged progressive sound has received support by such world class DJs as
Christopher Lawrence, John O Bir, John Askew, Emok, Dj Glen of Iboga, Above
& Beyond, Antix, Austin Scott, Dimitri Nakov, and John '00' Fleming. In
addition, their tracks have been featured on KISS 100, Ministry of Sound,
The Static Channel and John '00' Fleming's Global Trance Grooves.

Jay has completed remixes for Wizzy Noise, Hujaboy, John 00 Fleming, Voice
of Cod, The Digital Blonde and has a slew of singles being released in 2006.
His recent release, a remix of John 00 Fleming vs. The Digital Blonde -
"Fused" has received top 10 play listing by some of the world's top DJs. In
addition, Jay had recently been asked to produce an album for JOOF
Recordings, one of dance music's longest running and most respected trance
labels.

$10
21+ w/ valid ID
9pm-5am
@ Club Five
1214 B 18th Street NW
Washington DC, 20036
www.fivedc.com

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This is a game that gets played on another rave list I'm on...

Laptop
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Subject: [ne-raves] RE: [B-R] Turntable repair?

These are the 6 closest places to Nashua, NH in order from closest to 
farthest, per the panasonic website:

Analog Turntables may be serviced at one of the following Panasonic 
Authorized Service Centers:

TOPS ELECTRONIC SERVICE
105 WARD HILL AVE-BB #629
HAVERHILL  MA 01835 (978) 374-9877

AUDIO VISUAL SERV
589 PARK AVENUE
WORCESTER  MA 01610 (508) 753-7390

MERWIN ELECTRONICS SVC
23 METROPOLITAN COURT
ATHOL  MA 01331 (978) 249-8775

D.C. AUDIO & VIDEO SVC
46 EXETER STREET
PORTSMOUTH  NH 03801 (603) 433-4393

PUBLIC SOUND INC.
18A SOUTH ANGELL ST.
PROVIDENCE  RI 02906 (401) 751-4466

ELWIN TV & APPLIANCE
55 ELECTRONIC DRIVE
WARWICK  RI 02888 (401) 467-9300



>From: Jonathan Cary <alkivar@yahoo.com>
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>Subject: [B-R] Turntable repair?
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:34:33 -0700 (PDT)
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>Anyone know a shop in either the greater boston area or more north that is
>certified to work on Technics products? I need my decks fixed.
>
>
>
>Blinding ignorance does mislead us.
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Subject: [ne-raves] ED209 & MC KEN MAC @ Sullivan Room Breaks Thu 7/27 (fwd)


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Subject: ED209 & MC KEN MAC @ Sullivan Room Breaks Thu 7/27

SULLIVAN ROOM BREAKS



Thursday - July 27, 2006

The Sullivan Room proudly welcomes the appearance of one of the top international talents of breakbeat, ED209 (Hardcore Beats, Nexus Artist Mgmt - UK) with MC KEN MAC (Hardcore Beats, Cyberfunk - UK), on Thursday, July 27, 2006. Sonic support will be provided by WAVEWHORE (Broke Recordings, Electrofly Records, BreaksFM - NYC), CEOS vs. ARCEE (Downbeat Productions - NYC), CHRIS PATTISON (Nexus Artists, Blessed Breaks - VT), HI-FI (Brooklyn Bass - NYC) and NOAH B.C. (Nuroc Breaks - NYC). This event will be the next edition in a series of premier breakbeat shows at the Sullivan Room in 2006.

2 FOR 1 DRAUGHT BEER & WELL DRINKS 10pm - Midnight!!!

SULLIVAN ROOM
218 Sullivan Street (bet. W. 3rd & Bleecker) NYC
10pm-4am, 21+
Subway: A,C,E,F,V,S to W. 4th St.
$8 with RSVP to rsvp@sullivanroom.com



Flyer Link: http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f196/Wavewhore/Ed209Flyer.jpg


Ed209 & MC Ken Mac

Ed209, the West London based breaks producer & DJ, has come along way since his early days in pirate radio. Spinning from the tender age of 14, he can now be found playing regularly at heavyweight UK events such as Raindance, Best Of British, Breakbeat Connection, Innovation, Essence of Chi, Trigger, and Back To The Old School, not to mention all the parties abroad and his internet radio shows on pyrotechnicradio.com and Breaks FM.

Ed209's DJ schedule has become increasingly busy due to his hard-hitting breakbeat productions such as 'Fight Alone' which was released on Rat Records and licensed for the Ils Y4K mix CD on Distinctive Breaks. In addition, his 'Infectious' single was originally signed to Wireframe Records and then licensed to the Freestyler's Fabric live mix CD. Ed209 has also found himself doing collaborations with the legendary Phil Hartnoll of Orbital and also working with label partner Ollywood and drum'n'bass don MC Fearless on the next Hardcore Beats mix CD. All in all the future looks bright for Ed209!

Ed 209 will be appearing with UK based Ken Mac, the hottest breaks MC on the planet. With his larger than life voice and soulful vocals, Ken Mac has been destroying dance floors across the globe for the last 4 years. In addition to hosting for some of breaks biggest stars including Ed209, Freestylers, Deekline & Wizard and Atomic Hooligan, he has also produced "This Way" with the Breakfastaz and more recently the mighty "Snypa Shot" with Control Z on Hardcore Beats. This lovable host is continuing to charm the pants off crowds world wide so keep an eye out for him too.

Discography

Remixes:
Ol' Dirty Bastard Feat Kelis - Got your Money (Ed209 & Deekline Remix) - East West
Future Funk Squad - Direct (Ed209 Remix) - Wireframe
Vinyle Junkie - Worries In The Dance (Ed209 Remix) - Warehouse Wax
Ils - Angels (Ed209 Remix) - Distinctive

Original Material:
Bish Bash - Ed209 - Wireframe
The Profit - Ed209 - Wireframe
Fight Alone - Ed209 - Rat Records
Beep Bop - Ed209 - Rat Records
Blackhole - Ed209 vs. DJ Quest - Hardcore Beats
Swordpen - Ed209 vs. DJ Quest - Hardcore Beats
Infectious - Ed209 - Wireframe
Blow A Fuze - Ed209 - Wireframe
Dr. Hoover - Ed209 vs. Long Range (Phil Hartnoll & Nick Smith) - Hardcore Beats
United State Of Mind - Ed209 & Ken Mac - Hardcore Beats

LINKS

www.hardcorebeats.co.uk
www.nexusartists.com
www.wavewhore.com

www.downbeatproductions.com
www.breaksfm.com
www.brokebreaks.com
www.electrofly.co.uk
www.nurocbreaks.com
www.sullivanroom.com
www.topdjgear.com


To Be Removed - Just Ask...

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Upcoming Dates:
ED 209 & MC KEN MAC Thu 7/27 @ Sullivan Room - NYC
REGENERATE Fri 8/11 @ Club Exit - NYC
JUICED Fri 9/1 @ Leopard Lounge - NYC
TENSION Wed 9/6 @ Phoenix Landing - Boston MA

THE AUDIO TACTICS SESSIONS on www.breaksfm.com - Every other Monday 8-10pm EST

WAVEWHORE
Broke Recordings - Electrofly Records - BreaksFM - Audio Tactics
www.wavewhore.com

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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Thomas Noe wrote:

> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
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Not to be mean but I think people really can't figure out how to unsub. The list 
has always been kind of like this to some degree or another. It's only a huge 
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It's about all that good stuff in theory but there will always be loud mouthed 
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It's neither. The list can only be an open forum if the opinion of 
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> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll find a
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was once a time when assholes and bullies were so ganged up on by people coming 
to the defense of someone like the girl selling theh PVD tix that the bullies 
ended up leaving. I think this really answers Dan's question about oldness that 
I can remember the far more innocent days of the Net and listserves.

How is that people still don't get the concept of ignoring blowhards? Isn't the 
term "troll" common terminology now? IGNORE THE FUCKING ASSHOLES AND STOP TAKING 
THE FLAME BAIT!!! Take it from an old fart who's seen it work time and time 
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Just curious but were you one of those who wanted to move to Canada after '04? 
Not proud but I seriously entertained the idea in a momentary fit of illogical 
despondency. But that's clearly not rational thinking, right? Actually I'm 
guessing you're a Swede, right? Actually it's pretty stupid of me to compare 
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Please (PLEASE) can you guys just play nice among yourselves for a little 
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Emily Dye wrote:

> Wow. This list whines more than DCraves. That's pretty bad :P.

Growing pains. SERIOUS growing pains. NER moving to Hyperreal. NYCR and NER 
merging. It's like divorcees getting married and trying to get their kids to 
stop killing each other. And new admin, I'll take some blame. People will have 
to get used to my moderation until someone competent responds the the call 
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Subject: [ne-raves] UNSUB DIRECTIONS

Oh. My. God. Poor girl managed to subscribe herself to both the regular list AND 
the digest.

To unsub... send a blank email to:
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and if you are also subscribed to the digest as well:
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You will receive a comfirmation notice. Hit reply (you don't have to type 
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*sigh* I'll build a web interface.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, --- wrote:

> Help me unsubscribe please
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Subject: [ne-raves] cyberring

NO! I don't want to have to explain to Brian (Hyperreal poppa) why he's getting 
sexually explicit emails.

On the other hand, please do send all your love and especially all your hate to: 
i-want-you-so-bad-you-ankle-high-meatsock-puppet@grep-fu.net

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Ed Hoc wrote:

> send a blank message to ne-raves-cyber-subscribe@hyperreal.org 2 cyber if u
> r hot!!!!`1
>
>> > wanna cyber?
>> >
>> > On 7/24/06, Chandra Barnett <chandra@caltech.edu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now that nobody bothers to
>> >> learn how to set up a killfile?"
>> >>
>> >> The best way not to be bothered by another poster is to ignore their
>> >> posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email addresses of the people who
>> >> are annoying you, and instruct your mail reader to dispose of their
>> >> offensive communications. End of problem. Instead, you have chosen to
>> >> further crap up everyone's inbox by sending  whiny emails about how
>> they
>> >> should stop crapping up everyone's inbox. Genius.
>> >>
>> >> If you truly object to a discussion list, then by all means, go make
>> >> yourself a friendly happy announce-only list. Be as quiet and
>> >> uncommunicative there as you want! Knock yourself out! But why in the
>> >> hell would you sit around on a discussion list complaining that it's a
>> >> discussion list instead of an announcement list? In what kind of
>> >> universe does this make sense?
>> >>
>> >> To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I like you guys. =) I've met
>> >> some of my best friends in flamewars on rave lists... in fact, I now
>> >> find out about most of the events I go to through some of those same
>> >> friends. Coincidence?
>> >>
>> >>     -Chandra

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Subject: [ne-raves] Sunday in NYC recap & recommendations

PS1 was a wash. Too lame to brave the rain. And L wasn't running. So I stayed in 
Saturday. Anyone go to BAP?

Frank and Josh, did you guys go to Soul Summit? What did you think?

Was a beautiful day and it was _so_ much more packed than last week. Almost 
uncomfortably so. Hate to say it but I thought the DJ was poo. Kept going back 
and forth between handbag vocal house to electro house. Mixing was so rocky at 
certain points much of the crowd stutter stepped during segues. People did seem 
to like the selections nonetheless. I didn't. And some girl playing a djembe 
just couldn't find the beat. And boy did she have endurance much to my dismay.

Negativity aside I highly encourage all to go. It's very different from the rave 
scene but it has that old vibe that's probably foreign to you youngsters.

Went to 718 Diner aka Miss Williamsburg (Kent and 3rd in Williamsburg) 
afterwards. Can't believe that place isn't overrun yet. Comfortable outdoor area 
with the hands down best sound system I hear now short of the megadiscos. So 
much sound for such a small place. Loud and clear. Lots of seating and small but 
nice tented dance area. Can't comment on the food because I haven't tried it but 
seems expensive to me for $10 burgers.

Boring trance played this week. Neither good nor bad. Just boring. But last week 
was hot if you like house rewinds. Ralph McDaniels, yes the one of VMB fame and 
a lot of the stuff, played for the old heads. Then Chris (the resident, I 
think) played good deep stuff and got into Bowie and Hall and Oats. I know it's 
cheesey but it was done well and it's so sticky sweet you've got to smile.

A little dinner at Alligator lounge. Free wood-fired brick over pizza with a 
beer?! You kidding me?!

Second time in two weeks having a good-hearted laugh at people trying to dance 
to samba at Black Betty.

</end Sunday>

---

I've only been once so far but Soulgasm is something I would definitely return 
to. Unexpected but nice. The opposite of the predominantly gay and black house 
scene of Soul Summit. The house is a little more technoish, updated and gets 
breakier and darker. Even touches on some funk carioca. Serious showoff vibe 
with dance rings forming constantly a la drum'n'bass parties but with a lot more 
girls getting into the mix. I think the crowd is pretty close to 50/50 girl/boy.
Strange to see hard looking b-boys and girls get down to house after seeing so 
many muscle queens at Soul Summit and PS1. Very racial diverse too.

BRING EAR PLUGS! Either the PA is shit or the DJ is abusing the hell out of the 
poor thing. Cowbell next to your ear all night can't be good.

Soulgasm
Wednesdays
House, funk and soul
Sin-Sin
85 2nd Ave and 5th St
Free
11-4am
212-726-3466

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'twas a joke my dear.

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> dude chill
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1st, I'm a 40 year old geezer/lurker on the Digest version, my issue w/ tha=
t
is that folks forward ALL of the prior posts that show up in Outlook as a
polychromatic spectrum of words that have already been read... PgDn, PgDn,
blather, rinse, repeat...
When I do post, I delete the re-forwarded info with a <SNIP!> indicating
there was more but it was removed for brevity's sake.

2nd, a pal was rolling on E and came up with a neat synopsis of what he
learned after 30 years of living...
1. Most things are purely symbolic, how much meaning you give to them
determines their relative importance to you.
2. Most folks only know what they are told, even distrusting their own
senses that cause cognitive dissonance.
and...
3. Being right just doesn't matter sometimes, especially in an Orwellian
world of double-speak.

Thanks for the bandwidth and much love to all the "undisclosed recipients"
in the world!

- Cypher aka Joey

PS: Shameless self-hype file...
I re-mixed live DJ Spooky's version of Gertrude Stein at Somerville MA's Ar=
t
Beat festival and the reviews are in!

http://heyletsgo.com/event-70543
"And to really get into the =8Crecycle/renew=B9 spirit, a recording of Gertrude
Stein reading one of her poem will be remixed by DJ Joey Daytona (4pm) an
unusual fellow who has a show on Somerville community television."=A0

http://okelle.livejournal.com/
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The setting was a bit bizarre=8Bmidafternoon on a wicked hot Saturday in
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s
definitely appropritate for ArtBeat's theme this year (reCycle/reNew). Plus=
,
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and down on the one's and two's a few times. That girl had one sweet, sweet
gig, writing stuff no one could understand and therefore no one could
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i volunteer to moderate ne-raves!

On 7/25/06, Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
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what the hell do you mean by that?

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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC: Great laptop music night tonight,  7/25

(forwarded from nyhappenings)

great laptop music night!
DJ Shakey and Moldover present:
WARPER
2 FLOORS of
Omnidigital DJs &
Biomorphic Musicians !!
17 different performances from 8pm sharp:
including featured artist:
9pm Elijah B. Torn
(theycontrol.us/elijahbtorn, myspace.com/elijahbtorn)

TUESDAY JULY 25TH
NEW VENUE - The Delancey
168 Delancey St. btw Clinton and Attorney
(at the base of the Williamsburg bridge, NYC)
212-254-9920  21+  FREE
7pm - 2am+
happy hour prices 7 - 8pm
performances start 8pm
projected art all night

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Subject: [ne-raves] NYC: Cheeky B*stard at Hiro::James Murphy & Pat Mahoney (DFA/LCD

(forwarded from nyhappenings)


James Murphy (DFA / LCD Soundsystem) DJ Set
plus
Pat Mahoney (DFA / LCD Soundsystem)
Thursday July 27 at Hiro Ballroom

DFA Records head honcho and LCD Soundsystem front-man James Murphy
will be DJing the Cheeky B*stard and White Label Sessions party this
Thursday July 27 at Hiro Ballroom.
James will be taking us on a journey through his influences - be it
electro-funk, acid house, deep house or disco. His sound is an
amalgamation of the genres that gave birth to LCD Soundsystem.
Joining him behind the decks will be Pat Mahoney (DFA / LCD
Soundsytem).
Cheeky B*stard resident DJs Alex English and Peter Makebish will also
be DJing.

Drink Special:$8 Tiger-Beer-and-Whisky-Chaser-Combo, and $4 Sparks.

$5 ADVANCE TICKETS at www.GBH.tv
Hiro Ballroom: 363 W. 16th St (at 9th Ave.).
Doors Open 10pm.

DFA Remixes Chapter One is out in stores now. Digital Release August
8. More info: www.astralwerks.co=m

See You There!

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Outta curiosity, *did* you sell the ticket?  :-)

On 7/24/06, Glittagurl77@aol.com <Glittagurl77@aol.com> wrote:
> And all I wanted to do was sell my lil' old ticket....now look what I
> sparked!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*
>
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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] What's In Your Bag?

Oh, nice!

iBook
Charger
Spare polo shirt
Spare socks
Pen
Bag of mixed nuts
Netflix
Old socks
Aspirin
Campfire Headphase
Hiliter
Book, Are Prisons Obsolete

On 7/24/06, ken@nucleus.hjsoft.com <ken@nucleus.hjsoft.com> wrote:
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> This is a game that gets played on another rave list I'm on...
>
> Laptop
> ATI X800XT AIW video card
> 1 bad 512 meg pc3200 mem stick
> 1 good of the above
> twist ties
> screw driver
>
> Hi Melzie! ;)
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Subject: [ne-raves] So, sticker question

So, long ago, there was a NE-Raves sticker/bumpersticker.

Any way to get a scan of one?  Anyone?  :-)

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Subject: Re: [ne-raves] So, sticker question

http://hyperreal.org/raves/ne/images/neraves.300.gif

That what you looking for? All I can find. Wasn't much left to me when this 
fell into my lap.

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Dean wrote:

> So, long ago, there was a NE-Raves sticker/bumpersticker.
>
> Any way to get a scan of one?  Anyone?  :-)
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http://www.pischkesparadise.com/images/bumpersticker.JPG

it's a little outdated by now. i say we make some new stickers and give one
free to every user who posts more than 100 messages in a day.

On 7/25/06, Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
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> So, long ago, there was a NE-Raves sticker/bumpersticker.
>
> Any way to get a scan of one?  Anyone?  :-)
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THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TROLL A STRANGER ON THE NET, JIMMY

On 7/24/06, Glittagurl77@aol.com <Glittagurl77@aol.com> wrote:
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> And all I wanted to do was sell my lil' old ticket....now look what I
> sparked!
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~REGINA*
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Hah! The things I miss when I don't have internet at home...

a/s/l thread, anybody? =p

    -cb.

Ed Hoc wrote:
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> On 7/24/06, *Chandra Barnett* <chandra@caltech.edu 
> <mailto:chandra@caltech.edu>> wrote:
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>     Where by "in this day and age" you mean "now that nobody bothers to
>     learn how to set up a killfile?"
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>     The best way not to be bothered by another poster is to ignore their
>     posts. It's easy to do. Just find the email addresses of the
>     people who
>     are annoying you, and instruct your mail reader to dispose of their
>     offensive communications. End of problem. Instead, you have chosen to
>     further crap up everyone's inbox by sending  whiny emails about
>     how they
>     should stop crapping up everyone's inbox. Genius.
>
>     If you truly object to a discussion list, then by all means, go make
>     yourself a friendly happy announce-only list. Be as quiet and
>     uncommunicative there as you want! Knock yourself out! But why in the
>     hell would you sit around on a discussion list complaining that it's a
>     discussion list instead of an announcement list? In what kind of
>     universe does this make sense?
>
>     To the rest of you: keep it up! I think I like you guys. =) I've met
>     some of my best friends in flamewars on rave lists... in fact, I now
>     find out about most of the events I go to through some of those same
>     friends. Coincidence?
>
>         -Chandra
>
>     Ian Kemp wrote:
>     > Until last week, this was a good way to get details about the
>     events
>     > you didn't know about. In this day and age, having your email box
>     > filled up with what is essentially three people spouting off at each
>     > other is bordering on spam. So what if someone wants to sell PVD
>     > tickets? That should have been the end of it...tickets...for...sale.
>     > The subsequent 50 emails just prove why discussion lists don't work
>     > any more. Forums at least allow people to have conversations
>     without
>     > filling up my inbox......and in turn this is going to do more damage
>     > as I'm less inclined to pour through 50 emails to find out about
>     that
>     > 1 event which I might go to.
>     >
>     > Cheers.
>     >
>     >
>     >> From: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com
>     <mailto:admin@internationalswede.com>>
>     >> Reply-To: Thomas Noe <admin@internationalswede.com
>     <mailto:admin@internationalswede.com>>
>     >> To: Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org
>     <mailto:jasper@hyperreal.org>>, Northeast Raves
>     >> <ne-raves@hyperreal.org <mailto:ne-raves@hyperreal.org>>
>     >> Subject: [ne-raves] why folks are unsubscribing
>     >> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:06:27 -0400
>     >>
>     >> I think people are UNSUBing publicly because they are voicing their
>     >> displeasure with the state of the list.
>     >>
>     >> Is this listserv all about raves/events/music or is it a
>     private club
>     >> where
>     >> EVERYONE who disagrees with the bullies/cowns on the list get
>     "FU"ed and
>     >> insulted for voicing their opinions? Tearing to shreds some
>     poor gal
>     >> just
>     >> for trying to sell some PVD tickets?
>     >>
>     >> I left that crap behind in Junior High School! (Don't bother
>     >> inserting your
>     >> snide comment here as it will just prove your inability to say
>     something
>     >> constuctive)
>     >>
>     >> So which is it? A private club or an open forum where everyone's
>     >> opinion is
>     >> respected?
>     >> If this list is more of a private club then you can take this very
>     >> email as
>     >> my
>     >>
>     >> VERY PUBLIC UNSUBSCRIBE
>     >> and I encourage others who feel the same way to UNSUB as well.
>     >>
>     >> We can let the bullies stay by themselves in the sandbox and we'll
>     >> find a
>     >> better venue.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> ----- Original Message -----
>     >> From: "Jasper" <jasper@hyperreal.org <mailto:jasper@hyperreal.org>>
>     >> To: "Northeast Raves" <ne-raves@hyperreal.org
>     <mailto:ne-raves@hyperreal.org>>
>     >>
>     >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 4:24 PM
>     >> Subject: [ne-raves] Re: Unsubscribing
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> > Oh my god! Why do people keep emailing me to take them off
>     the list?!
>     >> There are
>     >> > unsub directions at the bottom of EVERY message!
>     >> >
>     >> > Look at the header of the emails you get from this list to
>     see that
>     >> it's
>     >> not
>     >> > forwarded from some other address of yours. Then from the address
>     >> in the
>     >> To:
>     >> > field send a blank email to:
>     >> > ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
>     <mailto:ne-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org>
>     >> > It's that easy.
>     >> >
>     >> > BTW, took you off the list, Sean. But please people try to do it
>     >> yourself
>     >> first.
>     >> > If there is something totally broken with the unsub funcition I
>     >> apologize.
>     >> > Let me know if that's the case.
>     >> >
>     >> > Jasper
>     >> >
>     >> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com
>     <mailto:ucantfeelmyflow@aol.com> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > > Can you please remove my email from the list?  I get
>     replies from
>     >> messageboards to my email all day.
>     >> > >
>     >> > > Thank you!
>     >> > >
>     >> > > Sean
>     >> > >
>     >>
>     ________________________________________________________________________
>     >> > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search,
>     pictures,
>     >> email
>     >> and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
>     >> > >
>     >> >
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Chandra Barnett wrote:

> Hah! The things I miss when I don't have internet at home...
> a/s/l thread, anybody? =p
>
>   -cb.

How do you manage? Isn't that something someone from Caltech shouldn't be 
fessing up to?

Guess I'll start.

33/m/Jersey City, NJ

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Hm, if we're doing this for real...

24/f/bi-coastal. I go to Caltech but I've been working at Princeton in 
the summers... hopefully after next year I'll be here for grad school. 
We'll see. I also grew up down by A.C. ... was on nyc-raves back in 2000 
and re-subbed when I started doing the Princeton thing. Was sad to see 
the list had turned into such a ghost town, too... I miss the days 
before livejournal, when instead of everybody shooting their 
conversational wad all over their blog every day, they'd post here and 
start real actual discussions. Hooray for people talking again!

And the no internet thing completely bites. The place my boy and I just 
moved to in Princeton (he works here full-time) doesn't get DSL, cable's 
prohibitively expensive, there's no phone line coz we use cells, and we 
can't get fibre coz the landlord won't let them dig up the yard. I think 
we're gonna try Sprint's wireless broadband next.

Jasper wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Chandra Barnett wrote:
>
>> Hah! The things I miss when I don't have internet at home...
>> a/s/l thread, anybody? =p
>>
>>   -cb.
>
> How do you manage? Isn't that something someone from Caltech shouldn't 
> be fessing up to?
>
> Guess I'll start.
>
> 33/m/Jersey City, NJ
>
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28/M/Queens NYC  
   
  Dan

Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
  On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Chandra Barnett wrote:

> Hah! The things I miss when I don't have internet at home...
> a/s/l thread, anybody? =p
>
> -cb.

How do you manage? Isn't that something someone from Caltech shouldn't be 
fessing up to?

Guess I'll start.

33/m/Jersey City, NJ

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28/M/DC, ex-Pittsburgh.

On 7/25/06, danny trojer <dtrojer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>   Dan
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> Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
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> > -cb.
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21/ M / NYC, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco.... Im all over

On 7/25/06, Dean <talldean@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 28/M/DC, ex-Pittsburgh.
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> On 7/25/06, danny trojer <dtrojer@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >   Dan
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> > > -cb.
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GET YOUR TICKETS...
Friday, August 4th
DON'T MISS THE AUGUST LIQUID SOUND LOUNGE SUMMER BOAT CRUISE....!!!
13th Anniversary for the Liquid Sound Lounge Radio Show on WBAI
DON'T MISS THE BOAT!  Dance around Manhatten.  We're going to get all crazy
making you happy with the great underground music and community we
celebrate and support on the radio show, in the clubs and beyond!
Ain't no party like a Liquid Sound Lounge Party!
TALENT:
DJ Jeannie Hopper -WBAI/LSL & WPS1
DJ Sal Leone and Brian Burnside-deepa Grooves crew
Sax & Flute live in the mix Jay Rodriuges -Groove Collective and more!
Performance- Monique Bingham

WHEN, WHERE:
Board 9:30p Depart 10:30p Return 2:00am
Aboard Marco Polo Cruises' Temptress
World Yacht Pier 81, 41st street & W. Side Hwy on the Hudson River.
Dress to Dance...casual.  Cash Bar. Food for sale.
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TICKETS:
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http://www.Ticketweb.com or call 800.965.4827
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Dance Tracks: 91 e. 3rd st., 212.260.8729 (near 1st ave., e. village)
Rebel Rebel: 319 Bleeker st. 212.989.0770 (near Christopher, w. village)
Surcharges apply. Rain or Shine. No refunds or exchanges.

TICKETS ON SALE ONLINE NOW. THIS THURSDAY IN STORES.
AVOID THE LONG LINE AT THE BOAT...PURCHASE IN ADVANCE.
HOTLINE: 212.631.3617

Radio:
-WBAI-July 22nd- 7p  to Midnight Delphine Blue's Shocking Blue during LSL
hours for On Air Fun-drive to support WBAI.
-Thank you for your contributions last weekend.  We're still offering the
double cd set of the LSL Boat Cruise exclusively to those who pledge to
support WBAI during this drive...you can still call in until July 23rd to
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-WPS1 -PODCAST: Jeannie Hopper's kick ass mix available this week.  In the
ARCHIVES: Jeannie Hopper's shows DJ CULTURE,  LIQUID LOVE and WPS1 DJ
SESSIONS.  CHECK OUT HER INTERVIEW WITH IDJUT BOYS & PHIL SOUTH posted
7/17/07.

-MYSPACE: http://www.myspace.com/jeanniehopper  be our friend! +Listen to
some dj sets if you have a flash player. new sets just posted 7/01/06.


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Liquid Sound Lounge
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26/F/DC

(I just rejoined. Hi y'all).

On 7/25/06, Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:
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> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Chandra Barnett wrote:
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> > Hah! The things I miss when I don't have internet at home...
> > a/s/l thread, anybody? =p
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> >   -cb.
>
> How do you manage? Isn't that something someone from Caltech shouldn't be
> fessing up to?
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> Guess I'll start.
>
> 33/m/Jersey City, NJ
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lebowskilicious.

the funniest movie made in the past 20 yrs, IMHO.

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28/M/ recent transplant from Philly to UES, Manhattan.
 I have an apartment but I dont actually live there, I
live in the hospital across the street ;)

frank

--- Jasper <jasper@hyperreal.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Chandra Barnett wrote:
> 
> > Hah! The things I miss when I don't have internet
> at home...
> > a/s/l thread, anybody? =p
> >
> >   -cb.
> 
> How do you manage? Isn't that something someone from
> Caltech shouldn't be 
> fessing up to?
> 
> Guess I'll start.
> 
> 33/m/Jersey City, NJ
> 
> Jasper
> 
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Megan Farrington <meganfarrington@gmail.com> wrote:  26/F/DC

(I just rejoined. Hi y'all).

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> > -cb.
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> Guess I'll start.
>
> 33/m/Jersey City, NJ
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> Jasper
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